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"I'm journalist Jon Ward, who wrote the inside story of how some in the GOP are now fighting against the Koch brothers in the run up to the 2016 presidential election. AMA!",3a5ywn,3952,"Title: I'm journalist Jon Ward, who wrote the inside story of how some in the GOP are now fighting against the Koch brothers in the run up to the 2016 presidential election. AMA!

Body: I've written about American politics for over a decade now, starting as a city desk reporter in Washington DC. I've written about the Republican National Committee, big data, and the Koch brothers for over a year now. Here's the latest story: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-koch-brothers-and-the-republican-party-go-to-121193159491.html. You can follow me on Twitter @jonward11. 

Let's get started! 

https://twitter.com/jonward11/status/611176960564293633

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What do the Koch Brothers want?  I live in Kansas, and from the rumor mill, it seems they have completely bought off a majority of the congress here and completely own the governor.  What do think their end goal is?
I can actually answer this.  In 1980 David Koch ran for VP on the Libertarian party platform which was as follows.  If you look at the the policies they support and the candidates they fund I would hazard a guess that their ultimate goal is to get as close to this as possible.  As to why Kansas, they were born there.  It might be just as simple as that.

* “We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”
* “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”
* “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”
* “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”
* “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”
* “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence.  Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”
* “We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”
* “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”
* “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”
* “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”
* “We advocate the complete separation of education and State.  Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”
* “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”
* “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”
* “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”
* “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”
* “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”
* “We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”
* “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called ""self-protection"" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”
* “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”
* “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”
* “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”
* “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”
* “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”
* “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”
* “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”
* “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”

Direct Source http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

I know this is a candidate with a lot against the Koch's but I have heard this in several other places as well.  I can't find them easily now and I'm at work.

EDIT: Related NYTimes article for further reading. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/politics/quixotic-80-campaign-gave-birth-to-kochs-powerful-network.html

Well for one, the Koch brothers seem more socially liberal than the GOP. They're more libertarian than the GOP. They're fiscally conservative but socially liberal.

I know a lot of conspiracy theorists think they're very conservative but that's not the case. David Koch supports gay marriage, pot legalization, and is against war. 
I think this is true, but they don't put their money where their collective mouth is. They would much rather support candidates that have lax regulation (especially environmental) views and are socially conservative than the reverse. Anything in the name of higher profits for GP.
Holy shit.
That's a really great question. There a multitude of them and I could fill the page with thoughts on that. But I also think there's a lot to be optimistic about since we are in an age of innovation and because the hyper competitiveness of the market now means we as journalists are being forced to really up our game to stand out. 

But I do encourage younger journalists to try to have a long view. Build a life, not a career (that's more just life advice I guess). But in view of that, I want more young journalists to fight against the urge to do stuff that's quick, cute or clever and to dig deeper and do work that might take a little longer, but is thoughtful, or makes a serious point, or helps readers understand things about the world that actually help them or enlighten them or raise their spirits in a meaningful way. 

We do need to have more investigative journalism, and I'm encouraged by what Ben Smith at Buzzfeed is doing in that space, as well as places like ProPublica. But we need many more folks to get into that space, and there's no question that the business side is still a puzzle. 
They may be more socially liberal than the GOP, but if you look at the candidates they support you can see where their priorities lie. They will support a fiscally and socially conservative candidate every time over a fiscally and socially liberal candidate.
What are the biggest problems facing journalists in the digital age?
Here's my somewhat cynical (but realistic) perspective:

The Koch brothers are right-wing billionaires who aren't stupid. They've watched the last two presidential elections (and the support for Bernie Sanders, and the general political tide of the last decade), and they've seen the obvious pattern. Obama won both elections by offering *change*, and by building a liberal coalition (including many racial minorities, gays, leftists, and so on). He painted himself as the liberal, diametrically-opposed alternative to the conservative (arguably reactionary) establishment that had gained traction under the 8 years of G.W. Bush, which sold itself as conservative, but in reality had begun to replace traditional conservatism with a kind of right-wing statism that they called ""neoconservatism."" 

But the Kochs (and many other powerful people in right-wing politics) are acutely aware that Obama won his election by exploiting a clear liberal mandate that the electorate was demanding after Bush. And his rhetoric was so powerful that *even after 4 years of doing NOTHING* to create ""change,"" Obama was able to win a second election. People still wanted to believe in his ""change,"" rather than switching back to the conservatives, despite an unpopular first term, in which Obama had a supermajority of Democrats and still failed to make any real progress.

Immediately after the second Obama election, you could hear prominent right-wing pundits and planners recognizing this fact, and reassessing their strategy moving forward. It seemed clear, even among devout conservatives and right-wing extremists that a new approach was necessary if the Republican party was going to remain relevant and successful in American politics. 

It's at this juncture when we suddenly start seeing major donations shifting to the ""libertarian"" branch of the GOP. Do I think that Republican candidates who express socially liberal sentiments about gay marriage, abortion, and cannabis-legalization, are lying? No. Of course not. But I think their rise to prominence (like every major political movement in recent US history) was only possible thanks to shifts in the interests of the big-money donors who fund their campaigns. These folks (the ones with the real power, whose donations make or break political careers) obviously could see that the GOP was going in a failing direction-- one that isn't reaching the mass of young voters, who (especially after 8 years of Obama, whose policies were essentially the same as Bush's) largely feel disenfranchised by the traditional Republican-Democrat two-party system.

What's important to realize is that social issues are *not the root of the Republican party*. Sure, they love to rally around ""Christian"" and ""family"" values, but that's secondary. The point of the right wing is to defend capitalism (and, for the last 60 years, the neoliberal imperialism that goes along with it). The reason you get billionaires buying into right-wing politics instead of left-wing politics-- and the reason they shift from right-wing conservatism to right-wing ""libertarianism,"" rather than shifting to left-libertarianism-- is because they know the right will defend the system that makes them so rich and powerful. No matter what libertarian rhetoric they espouse, no matter what social policies they advocate, at the end of the day, they will defend capitalism (which is, at base, a fundamentally exploitative and authoritarian system)-- and that's what's really important to the wealthy. That's *why* they blow so much money investing in politics. Shutting down abortion clinics or supporting cannabis growers may be pet projects for some of the ultra-rich (they can legitimately fall on either side of the social spectrum), but economically, they are unified by their underlying class interest. The interest in defending private-property owners against everyone else, maintaining low wages, preventing the tax burden from shifting back from workers to corporations, avoiding regulation of industry, except where it benefits the biggest corporations, etc.. 

So the Koch's may genuinely be ""libertarians,"" or they may just be the more clever opportunists of the right wing, but either way-- they're supporting their real interests. There's a reason they fund shills like Rand Paul, and not true libertarians like Kshama Sawant. It's all about supporting whoever will be most effective at protecting the capitalist from the working, the lower, and-- more recently-- the middle class. If that means legalizing weed, or gay marriage, that's of little import to the wealthy, except the smaller demographic of conservative true believers.

I use the word ""libertarianism"" in quotes when discussing right-wing libertarianism because libertarianism was always intended to describe the anti-authoritarian branches of the socialist movement (libertarian and anarchist socialists). Libertarianism was understood to include opposition to capitalism-- until the American right wing got its hands on the term. They re-invented it as a defense of ""free-markets,"" even though some measure of equality is a necessary foundation for libertarian society. Libertarians have traditionally understood that a system in which you have no choice but to rent yourself to someone of a higher social class is not altogether different from slavery, and certainly doesn't meet the libertarian standard of freedom from coercion. 
their roots are in Libertarianism but they've become much more involved in the Republican Party over the last decade or so. ""Sons of Kansas"" by Daniel Schulman is a book about the brothers that's actually been recommended to me by people inside the Koch empire as pretty accurate. 

they haven't shown any affinity for Rand Paul. their most positive mentions have been of Scott Walker, Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio. They're pragmatists at the end of the day i think
For that they need all seven dragon balls, not Sam Brownback. 
Look at the laws where the Koch bros own the local government. They are typically in labor busting states. Ultimately if they can break labor across the nation their profits go way, way up. Every labor busting state is a win for them and less their companies owe to their employees.
The ""both parties are the same"" narrative is a known disinformation meme designed to discourage participation.

Don't fall for it. You're smarter than that.
since Goldwater in 64 they've become pretty conservative, and have had a pretty consistent internal tension between the hard right and the establishment/elite more moderate wing. Reagan united them and so did Bush for a while but they've struggled without a national leader, as any party does. Democrats were in the same position in the 80's before Clinton came along, and could be there after Obama, depending on how HRC does 
Any word on the left defying George Soros?
Yeah, the money is a huge deal.

While gay marriage and pot legalization are ""nice to have"", policies on taxes affect them in a major way. 
upping our game means doing quality work in a way that is also easy to read, interesting and relevant. there is inherent tension between the sort of purist attitude of 'this is important/really good/etc so people should read it' and 'make it palatable to the largest possible audience.' 

but journalists do have an obligation to serve the reader, and inflaming them is not that. 

Maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't this brand of libertarianism inevitably lead to some form of feudalism? Wouldn't we just be swapping subservience to the State (at least we get a vote) for subservience to regional barons who control land and resources? 
Libertianism is an incredibly stupid economic and political philosophy from the perspective of common good. The essence of libertarianism is laissez-faire economics. But what happens when businesses fundamentally exploit people, workers, and do what's against common interest? Libertarianism leads to oligopolistic economic situations where there are a handful of companies that own everything in an industry, who then use their powerful positions to exploit others. Without rules and regulations to check companies and means of wealth redistribution within a society, individuals in society quickly becomes separated into slaves and owners (perhaps not in name, but in practice).
Edit: Actually, I'm not sure if your comment meant you supported libertarian ideology or were against it. If the latter than, I'm speaking to the choir here. Also, feel free to argue your side :)
Let me ask you - are you a millionaire? My guess is you're not. Therefore by supporting libertarianism, you are undermining your own economic position.
Eternal life!",2015-06-17 14:20:29
"Bernie Sanders Shifts the 2016 Presidential Paradigm: The inevitability of Hillary Clinton’s nomination has been turned on its head by Sanders, whose insurgent candidacy has breathed new life into next year’s election.",3dxipt,13943,"Title: Bernie Sanders Shifts the 2016 Presidential Paradigm: The inevitability of Hillary Clinton’s nomination has been turned on its head by Sanders, whose insurgent candidacy has breathed new life into next year’s election.

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>Hillary has been so vilified for so many years — heck, there is a whole network dedicated just to trashing her (yes, I’m looking at you Fox). Republicans would love another divisive partisan contest to bring back the old national divide that keeps them in power. And they have been planning on a Hillary run for the White House for a long, long time. We threw them a big curve ball with Barack. They will be in deep kimchi (lots of trouble) if Democrats nominate Senator Bernie.

Right, because Republicans have embraced Obama without resorting to divisive partisanship. And they'd surely do the same for Sanders if he were the candidate. 

The idea that Democrats should pick their nominee based on the mean things Republicans might say about them is silly. They called Clinton a rapist and a murderer, they called Kerry a yellow-bellied traitor, and they called Obama an America-hating Kenyan Muslim.  They're not going to play nice with Bernie Sanders just because he hasn't been on their radar. 
Honestly, I think it might play out better that way.  Calling Obama a socialist when he clearly isn't causes him to deny it publically, which keeps the story in the news and immediately puts him on the defensive.  Call Bernie a socialist, and his response will be ""Yes, yes I am. And here's why I think socialism will work.""  

Heaven forbid, it might actually force people to debate the merits of social democracy in America.  Can't have that!   
He calls himself a socialist. Bernie is a Fox News wet dream. 
Ok, let's be super pessimistic, as some people on here are, and say that Hillary has a 99.9999999999999999999999% chance of winning the nomination and the only possible way Bernie could ever win is if Hillary died or something. If that's how utterly unchangeable you think the outcome is, why do you even follow the primary at all? Furthermore, if you think it's *that* set in stone, aren't you upset? I guess I don't understand that frame of mind. And as sick and tired as some people say they are of hearing about Bernie Sanders' ""pointless"" campaign, I'm sick of folks insinuating that we should just cancel the primary season immediately and go ahead and give Hillary the nomination six months before the first votes are cast.  

Clearly, the odds are stacked against Bernie Sanders, but he's never shied away from that fact. And regardless of how big the gap may still be be, it's a hell of a lot smaller than it was when he announced his candidacy. 
> Honestly, I think it might play out better that way. Calling Obama a socialist when he clearly isn't causes him to deny it publically, which keeps the story in the news and immediately puts him on the defensive. Call Bernie a socialist, and his response will be ""Yes, yes I am. And here's why I think socialism will work.""

I think it's more likely to be spun as ""Obama was just a taste of what Democrats wanted to do. They gave you a taste of socialism with Obama, now they want to shove it down your throat with Sanders."" 
He's been an absolute pro at staying on topic and shutting bullshit questions/remarks down. In many of the interviews I've seen, the interviewer has fished for him to shit-talk his opponents or done the whole ""SO YOU'RE A SOCIALIST?"" thing, and he **never** strays from his talking points or gives into the interviewer's game. His ideologies are rock fucking solid (as is his voting record...). If the news outlets want to pull that card, he'll set them straight. 

On that note, his debates are going to be SO much fun to watch.
I will be voting for and working for Bernie in 2016.
This is **exactly** what will happen
I still want to know what Sanders is going to trade to get the policies he is advocating for passed. It's a Conservative/tea party congress who is content to not doing anything in response to a ""liberal agenda"". How will he get far left ideals (that I support) passed?
It's fun to be a cynical jackass. if you're wrong then humanity has justified it's existence for another day, if you're right you get be be smug.
I'm pretty sure his goal is to rally the people to start telling congress what to do - even if they are against something, most people in congress are the type to switch their side when enough people bombard them with calls/mail. 
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I say bring it on.  Bernie don't play that shit.
This is the Achilles Heel of so many millennials. They think only the presidency matters. It was so heartbreaking to see tea-party lunatics start sweeping states in the mid-term election because younger voters didn't seem to care. Getting a president that actually cares about us is just the first step in saving our nation from crumbling ruin.

Bernie is just the beginning. We have to oust the corrupt in Washington, at all levels, or we might as well be spinning our wheels but going nowhere.
Nobody's saying you shouldn't keep rooting for Bernie against all odds until the very end. More power to you. But this sub acts like he's the next coming of Jesus and Hillary is an evil bitch and anybody who votes for her is a corporate shill. Then you have people who actually believe that Bernie doesn't have a mountain to climb and are going to be hugely let down and disillusioned when he inevitably does lose and may just not vote in the general. Especially once they've decided how terrible Hillary is. 

Plus I think people are just starting to get sick of the fucking circle jerk over this guy.
Congress doesn't operate on the rally of the ""people"". It operates on the districts and the state populations. and they are separate and individual. The current do nothing congress didn't get into power by luck. They have a strong rep at home and a gerrymandered election.

The past two presidential cycles have lead to a majority of people demanding something different and they have not cared at all in the legislature. Meanwhile the past two legislative cycles have seen a growing conservative/tea party caucus. The President is one part. Let's not pretend it will all change at every level. It won't.

So what does Sanders trade? How does he accomplish these goals? Populist candidates are great but people need to hear plans. Pragmatics are more electable for this reason. They can clearly state what they trade cause they rarely go too far to one extreme, whether Conservative or Liberal. Sanders needs to make his case soon. 
This times a thousand. People just want to be right, they want to be on the ""winning"" team
Well guys - if it's in the OP-ED section of the Honolulu Civil Beat, then you know that the next stop is the New York Times and then the White House.


>Who is the most electable candidate for president against the Republicans? Senator Bernie.

I plan to vote for Bernie Sanders, but not sure I agree he is the 'most electable.'  Polls show Hillary alone beating the presumptive Republican nominees. Hopefully this is only because early polls are skewed by lack of name recognition, and this will change as the race heats up & Sanders crushes it in the debates.

Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
Recent polls only include Clinton vs GOP, but previous polls showed Sanders losing.",2015-07-20 10:24:12
"Bernie Sanders is raising more money than every Republican candidate: ""...donors giving relatively small amounts are shaping the 2016 presidential election more than any billionaire.""",3o53du,10555,"Title: Bernie Sanders is raising more money than every Republican candidate: ""...donors giving relatively small amounts are shaping the 2016 presidential election more than any billionaire.""

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Wierd article. 

Bernie is raising more money. Queue second paragraph, oh but he really isnt.

What? Click bait tbh. 
Wait until after the primaries, you're going to see amounts of money enter the equation on the GOP side that will be tough to match.
While I agree, the very tag line of the article is incredibly misleading.

It is attempting to paint the picture that big money is not influencing politics as much as we think, because of Bernie. When in reality, we know the amount raised by the wealthy is unreachable by the masses at this point in time.

Either Bernie is raising more.then all other rivals, or he isnt. In this case, he isnt. Not even close. Like... 10 to 15 times less in fact than the front runners.
It clearly says he raised more money than any republican.  The 2nd paragraph says only Clinton raised more money.  She's democrat.
The author's last paragraph best explains what the their title misrepresents.

""None of [those super PACs] will affect Bernie Sanders, who has rejected the idea of forming a super PAC or raising money in big chunks from rich donors. So he’ll remain an underdog no matter how much money his campaign raises. Which seems to suit him fine.""
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> Bernie Sanders, who has rejected the idea of forming a super PAC

no candidate can actually ""reject"" a Super PAC... thanks to the absurdity of the law, Bernie has no real say in whether or not he has a Super PAC.

(he's actually got one, for the record, though he's disavowed them and actively discouraged any of his supporters from donating to them)

if he wins the Democratic nomination, he will absolutely, 100% have Super PAC's supporting him and unfortunately there's nothing he can do about it.
No no no, PACs are independent of the candidate, they raise money and spend it independently. Legally, PACs cannot coordinate their activities with the candidate, therefore, they are not limited by contribution limits.
Yeah, so did Howard Dean back in 2004.

This article is intentionally misleading for a specific demographic.

There's plenty to be proud about if you're Sanders or a Sanders supporter, no reason to ignore the impact of SuperPac money on a candidate and just how much ahead of Sanders many of the republicans are in that regard.
But it's pointless to compare to Republican campaign contributions when the vast majority of their contributions are to PACs and other ""unaffiliated"" groups. 
Yes, this headline is misleading and damaging.
But actual campaign contributions opposed to pacs do matter significantly. Your official campaign needs money, and if you're not getting enough to run it, you have to spend lots of extra time fundraising like Hillary and much of the GOP. Time that could be spent campaigning/rallying. Rick Perry had plenty of pac money coming in, but his campaign had basically no popular support to fund it, so his campaign collapsed and he dropped out. Campaign contributions still matter.
It's important to look at individual campaign fundraising separately from Super PAC fundraising, since it's such a critical measure of the breadth and depth of voter support. And Bernie's his refusal to take PAC money speaks volumes and will in turn generate more success in soliciting small donations from ordinary Americans.  
I have a couple of really old folk in my family who like Bernie but think he can't win. My Dad called me the other day and said he donated $50.00 for each of us since he was so impressed by the ""people like us"" supporting him.
Hopefully. 
TIL: money = speech.
I found it shallow and pedantic.
I'm sure part of it is so they can call in a favor later when the candidate loses and goes back to the elected position they already held. 
It's not just the raw amount of funds. Every small donor has made a mental commitment that will result in far greater likelihood of a vote for the candidate (if the candidate makes it that far) than if they had not done so. A million dollar donor still only gets to vote once, and their million dollars can't do any more than a million in small donations. 

Many small donations are a very big sign of a solid vote.
>  You can't limit speech.

The content of speech.   

There are plenty of limits around how you can deliver your message.   Just look at the FCC and checking your local noise ordinance.
",2015-10-09 20:08:52
"True: Ten times more 'dark money' has been spent for 2016 elections, U.S. Sen. Tammy Baldwin says",3s5dtv,8091,"Title: True: Ten times more 'dark money' has been spent for 2016 elections, U.S. Sen. Tammy Baldwin says

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The American election season is too long, too expensive, too televised, too secret and too based on personalities instead of policies. This shows that is getting worse not better.
The more envelopes full of free speech you *can* collect, the more time you have to spend collecting it. If we fix that, everything else falls into place.
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Explain it to me again?  What prevents foreign monied interests from influencing U.S. elections?
""Citizens United"" is not the issue, and legally SCOTUS did the right thing.

The issue is that we need a ""new law,"" as indicated by the ruling, that changes the way the politicians use the money and not how independent organizations decide to exercise free speech. SCOTUS cannot make new laws, they only interpret the constitution and current laws.

We could, (as only one example) also tax all advertisements paid for by a (S)PAC at 50% and put the money into a pool.

Reversing CU would only hamper people from organizing into groups or even from already formed groups, like unions for example, from exercising their free speech during election cycles.
[an illustration of dark money](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/A_Maze_of_Money.png)
Botswana... I see where you're going with this. 
>The issue is that we need a ""new law,""

If only those who hate this idea weren't already the people who get to make the laws and pass the taxes. 
All I know is, someone somewhere came out of the blue and started a group of supporters who all started trying to get Ben Carson to run for President. The guy had no intention of really entering politics until someone came out of the woodwork with a bunch of cash to bankroll him with, so he started taking it seriously. I do believe it is the very elite and wealthy, doing a good job of hiding the ties back to them, in order to obscure why they support him. He wants a flat tax: that means, the rich get even richer, and the poor will end up paying more in taxes now than every before, which logistically and economically makes absolutely no sense whatsoever- the only people it benefits is those at the top. That's one aspiration of having Ben Carson run; secondly, by throwing their own minority out there, I think they are trying to counteract the minority they expect the Democrats to run, which is most likely going to be Hilary (as potential first woman President). And, just like some people will be voting for Hilary just because she is a woman, others will be voting for Carson just because he is black.

Lastly, Carson does not really love the IRS. Me personally, I think the IRS serves a distinct function in this country by basically making sure the mobsters who run our economy kick a little back to the great nation that they should be thankful they are allowed to so richly profit from. But, many rich people feel like they pay too much in taxes, which I personally think is ridiculous because even if you pay 2 billion of your 10 billion fortune in taxes... you still have eight fucking billion dollars left over. I dunno, it's astounding what people will do to protect their largess. I don't care who you are, what celebrity you fucked, what business you own, how nice you are, or how much you give to charity- no human being needs billions of dollars to survive. Once you reach billionaire status, you're pretty much set, and whining about not having enough money after that, or paying too much in taxes, is just bullshit and you deserve to be kicked in the teeth, or better yet, made to live like a regular person for a few years just to humble yourself.

Anyway, the right wing/ultra elite were looking for someone who was:

a.) possible minority of some sort
b.) religious enough that they could be a Republican
c.) against Obamacare
d.) against taxes and IRS
e.) someone who is seen as a Washington outsider; not just some propped up, vetted junior senator or governor
f.) someone who appears intelligent (not like Sarah Palin)

So, Ben Carson fit this criteria. He was probably brought to the attention of the right wing by Fox news, who he was affiliated with but stopped affiliating with them prior to announcing his campaign.

Personally, I think the guy is a little whackadoo. He seems like he is one of those book smart people, after all he was praised in his field as a doctor, but as far as general awareness goes, to me he seems out of touch with reality, as evidenced by the questionable beliefs he holds as a seventh-day adventist and also by some of the things he says. I particularly dislike the way he talks; slowly, as if his mind is not very quick or intuitive and this is reflected in his speech.

The guy has no political experience at all, and I would say isn't even qualified to run a campaign for Pres, but the right-wing is desperate, many right-wing Americans will take ANY half-viable candidate over another Democrat so at this point I don't think many of them care that the top 2 contenders are completely unqualified.

People often say, a good leader doesn't need experience if he has the right people around him to do the job for him, but I dunno, when I think of Ben Carson running the country, I see another 9/11 because he has that slow, dumb look that GW Bush had, and when I think of Trump running it, I see another war because Trump wants to show off and make himself look big and strong and I am afraid he will use the US military to stroke his ego with at the consequences of Americans. 

On the other hand, Hilary is the most experienced, both domestically and internationally, and although she wouldn't be my first choice, I'd still choose her over Trump or Carson any day. Over all, though, Sanders would really turn things around in America, and I would love for him to win in 2016 although it's a long shot. America just isn't ready for him yet, I'm afraid, although a candidate like that is what we really, truly need in this country
Two terms of Obama might have helped with unemployment and healthcare, but he made absolutely no progress with money in politics. It honestly feels like he didn't even try.

Before people jump on me, I'm not talking killing a Justice and getting a new one that'll repeal Citizens United. Money permeates the system, Citizens United is only the top of the iceberg. Obama did essentially nothing about lobbying (despite the promises), nothing about media consolidation, nothing about the revolving door, nothing to invigorate the national conversation... He's even in the process of severely reducing internet freedom. Don't tell me he tried and couldn't do it. He might not be as bad as a Republican, but if you think he's working to give the people a voice in government, try again.
Before I clicked the link, I half-expected it to be a picture of a middle finger.
Lessig: [I told you so.](http://i.imgur.com/YlJSZFH.jpg)
I know CU makes sense in theory, but in practice lobbyist money and CPACs together are not about Planned Parenthood. They are about Exxon Mobile. In Canada we do just fine with preventing companies from spending money that supports a politician or party. Planned Parenthood can always go on the CBC and scream bloody murder. The Politicians need to listen to us because there isn't money sitting by to just buy an election through a ton of political ads.
And remind me, which country has extra cash to spend on such things because of a massive trade imbalance with us?
New definition for Trickle Down economics - Making it rain on the whores of Congress.
I certainly feel less oppressed now that billionaires can purchase elections.
Yeah it's like how arbitration clauses in theory are supposed to stop frivolous lawsuits when in reality they just make it prohibitive to get justice for non-corporations (""people"")
Democrats absolutely use dark money, too. 

But the vast, vast majority of dark money spent and raised thus far in the 2016 presidential race has been from and for Republicans. 

Clinton-aligned Super PACs have raised about $20 million this far, which is less than 10% of the $250 million in total outside money that been raised for 2016 campaigns. Jeb Bush, alone, has raised (not spent) 5 times more than Clinton. 

In contrast, Clinton has raised far more money from individual donors than any Republican. Clinton has raised $77 million in individual contributions (which are capped at $2700 per person), while the most any Republican has raised is Ben Carson at $31 million. 
OP is suggesting that China is trying to fuck American democracy, and have the money to do it.",2015-11-09 16:29:34
"Sanders: I have a ""good chance"" to win 2016 election - ""With just two weeks until voting begins in the 2016 primaries and polls showing him closing in on Hillary Clinton, Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is feeling confident.""",41dzid,8810,"Title: Sanders: I have a ""good chance"" to win 2016 election - ""With just two weeks until voting begins in the 2016 primaries and polls showing him closing in on Hillary Clinton, Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is feeling confident.""

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That war alone is 1/3 of our national debt
~BREAKING~ Bernie Sanders receives endorsement from Bernie Sanders
Let's dept up a Nation so big Business can make fat money and pay no taxes for it. 
This is currently the ~~5th~~ top post on this subreddit. Are people just upvoting things that make them feel good?

This is the exact type of echo chamber that Redditors whine about existing on the right.

You guys need to get in touch with reality. Bernie is losing, and probably won't get the nomination. If you want to change that you need to be in touch with the reality of the situation instead of sitting here upvoting and reading articles that paint Sanders as inevitable. 
It would be a pretty big shift in the political landscape if he were to get elected.  If he wins the primary that means the dems want a more progressive stance and if he wins the general, that means the general public will want something more progressive.  Congress may feel the need to give him some of his policies through his honeymoon period, but a lot of that depends on how much they feel pressured in their own districts/states.
OK serious question how much of his purposed ideas could he actually execute if elected?
I think people are excited because it's a sanders fluff piece on CBS. Doesn't happen too often it seems.
Aint that America
The White House has [this infographic](https://www.whitehouse.gov/infographics/us-national-debt) illustrating the public debt and where the money went. Iraq and Afghanistan together are not even close to a third. Bush's tax cuts form a much larger portion.
No. There's an exception for Bernie because of his history. And rightly so. I don't care what job you've had all your life, I won't vote for you unless you did it right. If you were a plumber who was am asshole and cut corners that fucked people over, guess what? No vote for you. 
Seriously, it's an article with Bernie saying he's confident. It's completely meaningless.
Well, he's down 25 points nationally. Iowa and New Hampshire, if they go Bernie's way, can really help shrink that number. So, of course Bernie is going to maintain confidence, that's part of running for office. But if you like Sanders, donate, volunteer, and stay active and vigilant. 

And if you don't like Sanders, that's understandable. But when you say that he's going to get destroyed and his supporters are like ''not necessarily"", that's not a circle jerk.
Very true. And just BTW, Clinton has much less experience in elected offices.

https://twitter.com/TheBaxterParty/status/688758002950606849?s=03
Bush asked for them, but don't forget that Congress is ultimately responsible for drafting and voting for the legislation.  The entire political atmosphere of the post 9/11 Era was fucked from top to bottom
Not from the US, but holy shit Bush really fucked you guys hard. Look at all that tax cuts and war spending. None of that will have any long term returns on helping the country's people and its economies.
Against war in the Middle East since before it started, supported civil rights with MLK, for gay rights since the 1980s, fighting for the middle class against corporate/Wall Street greed since the 90s, explaining the financial sector's problems and predicting the reasons for its failure, in 1998.
Single payer costs LESS per person than our current system.   www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost

The real question is what are we going to do with extra money.
A pro Sanders piece not on reddit is somewhat indicative of the potentially changing nature of this race. 
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2016: The Year the Americans Found out Our Elections Are Rigged,4ej2b8,16056,"Title: 2016: The Year the Americans Found out Our Elections Are Rigged

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Anyone who's paid attention has known the system has been rigged for years. 

This year we happen to have both a Republican and a Democrat who are open about trying to fight the establishment's system.
Because our country is being stolen by special interest groups, mutlinational corporations, and political elites. This election is exposing the nasty strangle-hold they have on our democracy. That is why we can't get the right kind of health care reform... That's why we can't decriminalize drugs across the board.... That's why we have the most prisoners than any other country... That's why we have crumbling infrastructure and a collapsing social security system... The state of our democracy is in shambles because the electorate has let it slip out of our hands. 


Not only that! We also have a government that is willing to eradicate our Bill of Rights protections. Openly spying on everybody, monitoring mass communications and wiping their ass with our 4th amendment. Things have got to change! Wake up people! Our republic is disappearing! Both political parties are actively doing their best to rid the popular vote... Super delegates?? Delegates in general?? Brokered conventions?? What the fuck?? We let this happen and it's terrifying

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For the people who don't remember the year 2000
I see it a lot like this:

Imagine you're on a desert island with a chest full of delicious food and bottles of clean drinking water.  You go to eat some food, but find that even though the top of the food looked pretty good, the underside was covered in festering human shit!

Disgusted, you throw it away and reach for a new thing to eat.  To your chagrin, this piece is covered in shit, too.  You root around for hours, but never find a really clean piece of food.  There's always human shit on it somewhere.  Underneath.  Around the edges.  Creamy shit filling.  Some aren't even food at all!  Some are just disgusting turds through and through.

Bewildered, you go for a drink of water.  But...it's actually full of piss.  God dammit, everything's full of piss and shit!  

Well!  You aren't going to eat shit and drink piss!  You've got some dignity!  You'd rather starve to death than eat that shit.

...but then you see the other survivors eating it.  Some kind of shrug and say it's better than nothing.  Others say it's really good and call you a Nazi for not eating shit with them.

So, you give up and wander off.  After sometime, you come across a big coconut tree.  It doesn't have quite enough to feed everyone, but it looks clean.  It certainly didn't come from that damn shit box.  You all might survive after all.  But you need help reaching the tree.

So you run back and tell your friends the news.  There's food!  We just have to drop our shitty food and work together.  Some are excited and eager to help...

...but others aren't so quick to join.  ""What's wrong with the shitty food?"" ""I'm sure there's shit on those coconuts somewhere!"". ""We need to drink this piss, since it contains wasted vitamins and salts to keep us alive!""

Some even insist there isnt, nor was there ever any shit on the food as they smear turds around their mouth, staring at you with mad eyes.

So you and a few friends run off to try and get those coconuts.  And while you flail and jump, the shit eating survivors will laugh and jeer.  No matter how much you beg, they'll insist that all food is shitty, and thinking anything different is stupid.

That's voter apathy to me.
The debacle on drugs and privacy comes from the top-down (in my opinion). The media's opinion on these issues shape the American voter. The problem is, American mass media is deeply entrenched with our political system. They both scratch each other's backs. CNN wants access to top secretaries and top aids, well, they better be soft on this issue(or that issue). A journalist in the associated press gives the President or a major political figure a hard time at a conference, then say goodbye to your seat. The media doesn't get paid by the government to ""tow the line"". They tow the line so they can have access. So they can provide the illusion of content and influence. It was EXTREMELY apparent during the 8 Bush years. It's what made Fox News explode onto the scene. They openly fought for Republicans and establishment political figures, and now look. Fox News is one of the most lucrative media channels in the United States. And it is complete garbage propaganda. 


The American public is dumb as fuck, imo, due to a concerted effort by the political elite and financial elite to eliminate us from the general political environment. Diluting our minds with bullshit and entertainment. 


(Lol i sound like some loon off r/conspiracy)
More like the year Americans proved it was rigged.
For me that would be 2000. 
I have underwear older than you.
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The two parties can do whatever they want in their primaries. They are NOT government entities. People are operating under this idea that the D's and R's are officially endorsed by the Constitution. 


They are semi-private gangs that exist to win elections. Thats it. The elections are rigged only in that People barely vote and are generally retarded.
More like ""2016: The Year Millennials Deluded Themselves Into Believing They Are Fully Representative of All Americans"".
It was a culmination of things. Gore actually won the popular vote by 500,000, there were some vote recounting shenanigans in Florida, and a flawed ""voting machine"" issue. I don't think I fully understood most of those things when it happened, but eventually I learned.
A very popular candidate was elected in 2008, and before that the Internet wasn't nearly as big as now, social media was non-existent. So injustices and suppression were not really heard of, especially on a large scale, and it had a bit of a conspiracy sound to it. Now, people have a platform to express and rally on, and it's a lot easier to see, ""oh yeah, maybe there is a problem"". 

Most people care about the presidential election more than any other, for better or worse. It's also the only one (at least that I can think of) that is a national vote. 
The RNC was pretty blatant about robbing Dr. Paul of any fair shot at a nomination. 
I never thought politics could be explained so well with shit analogies. 
Part of the issue with your statement is that much of the country legitimately believes in it. There isn't a single policy issue that somewhere around 50% of people don't follow. You think some vast majority of the country wants to decriminalize drugs? Or be softer on crime? Nope. It might be a slight majority, but only slight. Not a single policy issue gets passed without some decent portion of the populace wanting it. People wanted the war on drugs when it was first pushed, and the data shows a majority of conservatives still do. It also shows that people want to be spied on like they are. A slight majority was opposed to Snowden and though he should be thrown in jail for what he did. A lot of people want a bigger NSA that makes companies like Apple give the government whatever they want. 
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I had to get halfway through this before I realized it was satire. That's how bad it's gotten around here.",2016-04-13 00:26:18
What would be the ultimate plot twist of the 2016 presidential elections?,4i1cp3,12867,"Title: What would be the ultimate plot twist of the 2016 presidential elections?

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MAKE AMERICA GREAT *BRITAIN* AGAIN
Donald selects Bernie as VP 
Bernie Sanders was dead all along

The election was just a Weekend at Bernie's.
Trump wins the election, builds the wall, brings jobs back, and defeats ISIS.

Then just to fuck with everyone he runs in 2020 as a democrat, wins the election, implements universal healthcare, provides free college, and fixes climate change.
Clinton actually gets arrested, giving Sanders the Democratic nomination.
The Donald selects Bill Clinton as his running mate.
There's another Zodiac murder.
If Queen Elizabeth rolls in and takes back her colonies.
oh my god.
George Bush Senior runs as an independent and wins his second term!
Donald Trump takes off his toupee to reveal a zipper. Undoes his sophisticated latex mask to reveal that he's been Ross Perot the whole time.

EDIT: Stay gold, Ponyboy!
Because both front-runners have negative net favorability, the two party system crumbles. Independents rally around the outsiders. A very close four-way race occurs with Hillary, Trump, Jill Stein, and Gary Johnson. No one nets enough electoral votes to be president presumptive. House of Representatives to determine next president, and they pick

....JOOOOOHN CENAAAAA 🎺🎺🎺🎺
The release of the Clinton/Trump sex tapes from the late 90's.
Everyone would go fucking nuts.
Trump selects Lewinsky as his VP, Hillary selects Bill.  The VP debate would be great.
Kevin Spacey is elected President on the condition he stay in character as Frank Underwood. 
Trump wins and immediately reverses his positions so far to the left Bernie would look like Mitt Romney.
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Plot twist, the Clinton involved is not Hillary.",2016-05-05 18:50:33
59% of Americans are exhausted about the 2016 election coverage,4sv43j,14324,"Title: 59% of Americans are exhausted about the 2016 election coverage

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Surprising since the 2016 coverage has only been going on since 2013 or so.
I'm exhausted by it and I'm not even from the USA. And it didn't even start yet... the parties just chose.. right? Yoir system is so weird as well.
The two options were ""worn out by so much coverage"" and ""like seeing so much coverage."" That is a HORRIBLE poll design. It leaves for no middle ground uses victimizing language with ""worn out."" This is meaningless.
You joke, but there is always speculation for the next election immediately after the election. Some of it is [surprisingly accurate](http://www.theonion.com/video/after-obama-victory-shrieking-white-hot-sphere-of--30284)
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The next few days wont be any better since apparently Trump is picking someone who doesn't believe in gay rights, evolution, climate change, stem cell research, and wanted abortions to have to have funerals as his VP.
No, you can't be your own running mate.
Not even majority of votes with how our election system works. Most recently in 2000 Bush won over Gore even though Gore got the majority vote.  
The Onion is probably the most hard-hitting and accurate news source. It just takes some time for reality to catch up.
""Always predict the worst and you'll be hailed as a prophet"" -Tom Lehrer
Same here. The people recently chose the candidates that will represent the parties (Republican: Trump, Democrats: Hillary) and they ~~battle to the death in Mortal Kombat~~ now basically have to gain the majority of the votes by... november, I think? To become president.
If Trump wins the majority of votes but loses then I don't even know what would happen...

I'm picturing Trump announcing his running mate, Ronald Tromp, before ducking underneath the podium and putting on a ridiculous looking fake mustache. 
I eat this election stuff up. This is as close as we get to Hunger Games in real life.
God damn.  That's almost as good as this, from the week of Bush's inauguration.

http://www.theonion.com/article/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros-464
""so much coverage"" is also terrible. I am worn out by this shitty poll design. 
Could you imagine the US if either candidate won this time around like that? It'd be crazy 
It's the dumbest thing he's done yet. He just lost the entire not-Hillary vote in one fell swoop. 
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"Pew poll: Most voters 'frustrated,' 'disgusted' with 2016 election",53ty9i,3296,"Title: Pew poll: Most voters 'frustrated,' 'disgusted' with 2016 election

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A year ago, I thought, ""Wow, a candidate who I'd actually like to vote for!  This is going to be a great year for politics.""  

What the hell happened?
Embarrassed is more like it
That's how primary season always is. That's not new.

What's wild about this year is I could have productive disagreements with a person on Mitt Romney. A person who is voting for Trump I re-evaluate that individual at a core level and if they are needed in my life.
Yeah, thanks news outlets! You've done a stellar job!
Because in DWS' own words, ""we can't let grassroots activists actually win.""

The two parties' primary elections are no replacement for a general multi-party election. But that's what people are being fed - that they ""get to have their voices heard in the primary"". The DNC clearly showed this year that this is not how it actually works.
Frustrated Embarrassed Disgusted. It's the FED Trifecta.
It's almost as if the government has ceased any semblance of representation of the needs of the population...
Trumps the first major candidate I honestly don't know how someone can support without having some sort of personality flaw.  I just don't get it. 
And I just can't wrap my head around anyone who believes Hillary will 1) End foreign intervention and needless war, 2) End the corruption and influence of big money in politics, 3) provide ANY meaningful leadership on issues such as fracking, 4) Further the cause for single-payer universal healthcare, while being bribed... sorry, taking ""donations"" from big pharma (who has outspent the NRA at least 8 to 1 on campaign donations) and big health care conglomerates. 

Honestly, I really would love someone supporting her to make anywhere close to a rational argument that she'll actually DO any good. It appears her supporters don't actually *listen* to what she says. Like when she was asked if she was opposed to fracking, and gave a carefully worded answer that translates into ""yep, I'm against it only when people are rich and mobilized enough to fight the special interests carrying out fracking in their state."" Zero ethical stance, zero care for the fact they're absolutely raping landscapes in rural America for resources, akin to 3rd world resource pillaging normally reserved for Africa (although just as abhorrent, but easy to forget since it's not in our back yard).

I honestly just see zero moral compass in that woman, and would love to hear someone who thinks otherwise make a rational claim to it. 

I can't vote for her, and I can't vote for Trump... without sacrificing the ethics and values I hold dear.  And while I certainly don't agree with Gary Johnson's positions on many things, IMHO it is far more important to reach the threshold of votes to get Federal 3rd party status and financing, than any single issue being talked about in this election... of which the President usually has almost zero influence on.

The ONE thing might be the SCJs due for appointment, but even so, the SC has shown itself to be bought-and-paid-for as well. Nothing will change if she's elected.

Edit: wow thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Ironic coming from CNN when they are part of the reason we are at this point. If they had nonbiased coverage of the Democratic primary Bernie would probably be the nominee. 
This entire election has either been an insult to our collective intelligence or a very damning example of our poor civics and history education. Not sure yet.
I'm not a progressive, but I feel so bad for Democrats who supported Sanders and hope the DNC feels shame for their unethical dealings to get Hillary nominated. 

Thankfully, the candidate I supported from the beginning of this year, Governor Gary Johnson, is still in the race.
The problem is if you reluctantly vote for Hillary you're telling the DNC it's okay to screw over the people. If instead, people voted for Stein (or come join us at r/garyjohnson ) then the DNC might get the message that voters won't stand for its bullshit.
Yeah, I'm FED up with this whole election...
Someone who votes Hilldogg as the best of a set of bad choices I can work with. She is, at worst, a dirty politician. Our country can survive that.

Voting a racist demagogue is unforgivable.
Voter suppression (and shitty voter turnout).  The mainstream media abdicating their responsibility.  The strategic positioning of former campaign staff as the leaders of unions and other organizations whose endorsements are influential.  General all-around fuckery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5llLIKM9Yc

> Unpledged delegates exist, really, to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don't have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists.


Hillary is *textbook* establishment Democrat. There's little to differentiate herself from Obama. I'd even make the argument that Obama's zealous prosecution of whistleblowers, doubling down on domestic surveillance, and his drone program is far more condemning (or just as condemning) than any of the substantiated negative claims against Clinton.

Yet, Obama's approval ratings are nearly double of that of Clinton's. Hillary's true problem is a deficit of charisma, and a surplus of public suspicion fueled by her reclusiveness.
I was thinking about this and it occurred to me that it wasn't just the press abdicating their responsibility - we as citizens also didn't uphold our end of the bargain.  How many of us still subscribe to newspapers or pay for online content?  Once stuff started appearing online for free we were willing to trade convenience for rigor and fact checking.  And the established media responded by supplementing more of their income from paid advertising.  And now all we seem to care about is sensationalism and he said she said.

I agree that the media has let us down, but I also feel we are somewhat to blame for this situation.
I wouldn't say that's been true of the **entire** thing, Bernie Sanders was a very positive highlight in the race.",2016-09-21 16:17:42
How about we don't elect anybody in 2016,555ii3,15678,"Title: How about we don't elect anybody in 2016

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Bruh if you havent noticed, niggas been in the purge
[Hell naw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7fCQlUhj0)
It's almost as if the purge was based off of this years election 
Seems more like GTA IRL .. Cops be overreacting. 
But the woman in the purge was hot af.
But the pic of them, wearing the same clothes, is from the Senate a couple nights ago.

Edit: or the debate a couple nights ago fucking autocorrect
She looked and acted as well as a pornstar
The ~~Minnie Mouse~~ blonde hair, possibly blue eyes, w/ glasses chick was actually trying to end the Purge though.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't think the creators ever wanted to make the Purge 1. But the studio heard their pitch and insisted they prove the concept with a safe generic horror movie about rich white people before they let them get all political.

That's my completely unsubstantiated theory anyway.
Google ""Hillary Clinton red pantsuit"". She wears them a lot. They had a 50/50 shot with Trump's tie. I haven't seen the movie and obviously they couldn't have foreseen the future, but it wouldn't be that hard to figure out what they would wear from an educated guess. 
That user name tho lmaoo
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Purge 2 is the best example of a shitty first movie and a great sequel.
The minnie mouse chick in the movie was the psycho teenager who tries to loot the deli
No I don't know what youre saying. Could you explain?
Cause shit is fire
She's done some nude scenes before.  Also not Penny's boat.
It's a great premise, but it suffers from one critical flaw: All the good guys are wearing plot armor.
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Oh shit, nvm, I meant the senator with glasses or whatever lol. Super off. That's on me though.",2016-09-30 01:06:34
I’m with stupid: The entire 2016 election has been an insult to our intelligence,5a0od9,7135,"Title: I’m with stupid: The entire 2016 election has been an insult to our intelligence

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Honestly it really made me realize how stupid and naive our country is...
Exactly. It's not an insult, it's a measure of American intelligence. It's the best argument I've seen in a long time for massive amounts of educational reform. Tens of millions of people require lessons in critical thinking otherwise another conman is going to come along and con them again.


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No it hasn't, it's been a reflection of our intelligence. 
We chose this. It's not an insult, it's a reflection. 
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I agree we have a problem with reasonable discourse between opposing sides, but let's be very clear: a lot of the shit going on with the Trump campaign isn't a matter of discourse, it's a matter of fact denying. There is no ""agreeing"" on facts. Facts are facts, period. Trump supporters refuse, outright, to acknowledge certain facts and reality. That alone makes reasonable discourse with them next to impossible because they are *not reasonable*. You can't have a reasonable discussion about the environment with someone who believes climate change is a Chinese hoax anymore than you can have a reasonable discussion about French history with someone who believes they're Napoleon. In a normal situation, the mature reasonable thing to do would be to walk away and ignore them but in a presidential campaign, where their ignorance and fact denial is going to create very real, very serious tangible damage to our nation and our society, they can not be ignored.
I think Salon is more of an insult to our intelligence tbh
And our inability to talk to people we disagree with.
It's not an insult to our intelligence. It has exposed our lack of intelligence. We chose Trump. We chose him without him hiding who he is. We chose him not in spite of his idiotic statements and promises, but because of them. On election day a majority of the people in at least 20 states are going to says that they want Donald Trump to be the leader of most powerful military in the world. This is our country. 
I teach middle school science and my students are learning fallacies in langauage arts, so I incorporate them into our scientific inquiries.
""If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"" -Wayne Gretzky 
I don't like Fox News but this statement in the article is misleading: ""Politifact has claimed that only 10 percent of what Fox News reports is true."" 

Politifact does not fact check every claim made by Fox News so they can't speak about all of what Fox News reports. They only claim that 10% of what they actually fact check gets a True rating (which doesn't include Mostly True).
Just add two more 'R's to the existing 3, so it's:

- Reading
- Writing
- Arithmetic
- Reasoning (logic)
- Reflection (useful self-criticism and correction)

This will never happen because those two new skills directly threaten dogma. I hate sounding like a conspiracy nut, but it seems to be the truth. Particularly as long as religion has any significant role in society - religion can't stand up to competent reasoning, so we can't risk children understanding logic.
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 > [What is this?](https://pastebin.com/64GuVi2F/71259)
It's not entirely our fault. The primaries are a messy situation that aren't very democratic or representative of voters. Our first-past-the-post system also kills the chances of having a third party candidate. 
Counterpoint: Have you met this country lately? We're not the brightest bulbs in the box. Most of the country uses Texas textbooks in schools, and we're rapidly moving toward phasing out public education in favor of for-profit charters with a financial incentive to herd kids through standardized tests as quickly and cheaply as possible.

The success of an openly xenophobic, misogynist, hateful campaign is not surprising to me in the slightest.",2016-10-29 14:30:34
US Pre-Election Day Megathread 2016,5amg64,2420,"Title: US Pre-Election Day Megathread 2016

Body: The [United States presidential election of 2016](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016), and more generally, [US Election Day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2016) occurs on Tuesday, November 8, 2016.

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Can we have a sexy pre Election Day thread as well?
cyanide? 
Who's ready for the front page to be normal again?
So who is ready for the 2020 election to start on November 10th?
I am.
Are you looking forward to this election being over?
I pushed for one, but was shot down.
To make it clear, I, too, voted for the sexy thread
Anyone see this post and panic cause they thought the election was today (Nov 1st)?
I have a feeling if he looses, he's not going to be quiet. 

Because it was all ***RIGGED***
How will news channels adapt to not having Trump as their primary focus 24/7 after the election is done? 
If he somehow manages to win popular vote, but lose the Electoral College, it'd be chaos
Yes.  I answered my own question.
As a Canadian, I can't wait for this to be over. I don't know who I want to win, I'm not much into politics. But it's *finally* ***almost*** over!!!  
Edit: holy shit stop messaging me about politics guys
There must be one weirdo that will change his last name to Hindsight and run for president.
Does anyone think we might have the largest voter turnout by a large margin?
/r/madlads
Why do some anti-Clinton voters claim that she'll just be another 4 yrs of Obama when a majority of Americans would probably take a third term of him instead of any of the candidates?
YEEZY FOR PREEZY.
Have you ordered your Kanye 2020 yard signs yet?",2016-11-01 23:11:48
US Election Day Megathread 2016,5bpw79,3503,"Title: US Election Day Megathread 2016

Body: The [United States presidential election of 2016](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016), and more generally, [US Election Day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2016) is occurring on Tuesday, November 8, 2016.

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Whose else is ready for all the drama on Wednesday at work and school?
SLOW AND STEADY

Anyone else rooting for Jeb?
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Reddit drama too
is it over yet?

plz
Okay, so, 18 y/o first-time voter here (obviously). I was under the impression I was voting solely for a president tomorrow, and just found out now (the night before) that I'm voting for all kinds of political positions and amendments, etc. Could anyone link me to a complete/compiled list or something of the sort so I may educate myself? 
Anyone else ordering take out Mexican food after voting? It just seems right.
im going to remove all filters, this year long shit show is finally ready to climax. i cant wait to see reddit have a mental breakdown. and it's going to happen regardless of who wins.
Does a person's absentee/ early vote still count if they die before election day?
Mickey Mouse didn't sign my booklet as a child when I went to Disney.

But overall he's pretty solid. Easily better than the 2 major candidates.
Do you think anyone in Trump's campaign has been able to convince him that he should have a concession speech ""just in case""?
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Yes. 

Early voting 100%.

If the ballot was mailed in, it has a line where you date and sign it. If the date was before the person died, 100% ok. 

If it was after, then it is up to the registrar counting the votes to recognize that fact. More than likely it would not be caught unless their was a fiercely contested recount. 
Season finale of america
It's not Jeb? It's Jeb!
What's the funniest political ad you've seen this season?

[This one takes the cake for me](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrtMf-sJHVk&feature=youtu.be)
There's a pretty deep vein of nationalism that runs through small-town America.  There are a lot of people that would love to hear Europeans bash Trump because, to them, Europe is a socialist hellhole that is currently drowning in Muslims.  Their information streams are the people around them and the right-wing American media, specifically Fox News.  A lot of these people work in industry or agriculture, real salt-of-the-earth, blue-collar jobs that have largely shifted away from the US, or modernized enough to significantly reduce the required workforce.  They used to have stable, high-paying jobs that have gone away.  For the past 50 years, if you're a good union worker, you vote Democrat and know that they'll fight for you.  Well where has that gotten you?  The jobs are slowly slipping away and your little town is dying.  The Democrats have done nothing for you, the Republicans fought your union, so they're not exactly on your side either.  You're fed up and angry with presidential candidates coming through every 4 years telling you that they're gonna fix things, and then they get elected (whether you voted for them or not) and they disappear until the next election cycle.  You're part of the downtrodden, the passed-by, the forgotten American worker and they couldn't tell you enough how important you are.  But as soon as January comes along and they get sworn in, they're focused on some conflict in some place that has never meant a thing to you.  Or they're fixing a health care system that used to work just fine for you, or an education bill, or taxes, etc. etc. etc. but all you really want is your job that you used to have.

So now, here comes this guy who is a businessman.  As far as you know, he's a self made man.  He's not a politician.  And you know what else? **He talks the way you talk.**  He's not gonna bullshit you about how you're the backbone of this country.  He actually knows that it's true, because he's a builder and he knows what blue-collar labor does.  You could see yourself in his shoes some day, maybe after you save up a few bucks and start that welding outfit you always wanted to start.  And the misogyny, hey, he's just a man right.  People talked like that in the 70s and it was no big deal because the 70s were great and you had a job back then.  Maybe if people loosened up about the sexual-harassment-this and patriarchy-that, then we could go back to that time.  

And another thing.  You're a white guy, and maybe you're all for black equality, but you saw that they got everything they wanted in the 60s with MLK and the Civil Rights Act.  Battle over.  And maybe you live in a town with almost no black people.  Well how easy it is, then, to say ""If they don't have jobs by now, it's their fault. They have every opportunity, they just haven't taken it.""  And it's **so easy** to say that because you don't see them, you have no idea what their life is like, and you hear your neighbor Bill say it.  And his wife Susan agrees.  ""If those n*****s had any motivation at all, they'd be just fine.""  And maybe you don't use the n-word like that, but you remember how your dad used to, and you share the sentiment anyway, so what can one word hurt.  

So back to Donald, he's saying that what we really need to do is **crack down** on those people.  If they're gonna act like children, then we need to be firm parents here.  And you're all on board, that's the kind of non-PC action that we need in this country.

This guy is a billionaire, he has buildings all over the world with his name on them, and a penthouse suite in each one.  He bangs models, he flies around in his own jet, and he's gonna run for president?  Why do that? Why leave that life for the thankless office of president?  Because he cares about you, the little guy. And he's gonna help you.  And he's telling the Dems and the GOP to go fuck themselves, and brother, that is music to your ears.  Your vote is as good as his.  And it all makes sense; everybody you know thinks the same way, Fox news seems to agree, and if they're not quite singing the tune you like, fuck them too, there's this new website called Breitbart that Bill's kid reads and it's saying all the things you're thinking.  The only people that disagree are hippies and city-dwelling liberals that have never done an honest day's work in their lives.  They've never been out digging trenches on a hot day, so what the fuck would they know about how the world works?  You have real honest-to-god experience, you know that the real world begins where the big city ends.

So tomorrow, when you go to that poll, you're going to pull the golden shiny lever, and things will change.  Everything will go back to the way it used to be, back before the world got so tangled and complicated and confusing.  And you'll remember how great it was to come home from the factory to your comfortable 3-bedroom house and have a cold beer and watch Leave it to Beaver, or Father Knows Best, or whatever you used to watch.

That's why Trump exists.  That's why this election is even in question.
The [Rock the Vote](https://www.rockthevote.com/) website will show you everything you can vote for if you go to ""What's on my ballot?""  Then you can look up the candidates and/or propositions. 
Go to their polling place and vote. Get some nice free airtime. 

Probably take a nap. 

Stay close by to monitor polls. See if they need to move resources one way or another to help get out the vote. 

Call supporters. 

Maybe take another nap. 

Make their way to their headquarters and prepare for a really long night. 
How will /r/The_Donald react on Wednesday morning, win or lose? ",2016-11-08 00:06:07
The 2016 US Presidential Election,5by0qh,95736,"Title: The 2016 US Presidential Election

Body: That's it. That's the entire fucking joke. 


Top Comments:
Brexit was funny, but this affects ME. 


Lizard that got away from the snakes 2020
Putin end to my life
Good enough 
Not a fan of political jokes - seen too many get elected
-Putin
Are you supposed to cry at jokes?
Brexit affects you too.  Like it or not, we live in a global society now .
We'll post it in 2021. Everything's 2020 in hindsight 
Lets just hope America doesn't repost this joke of an election in 2020. This is too much as it is 
This election season will cost more than 5 billion dollars..
There must be a cheaper way to find the worst people in society...
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Not ~~if~~ *when* Trump wins! Isolationism, 2016! WE ARE THE WORLD!

^^/s

Edit: Reality strikes hard, bro.
I'm a Muslim living in the States. Trump doesn't scare me as much as his supporters do.

Edit: I have to clarify, most Trump supporters I know are fine people. He issue I have is that he enables outright racism from the minority, and they might feel emboldened to take action.
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Orange is the new black.
I feel like the Mayan calendar was off a bit
I blame on DNC, rigged the primary and shot themselves in the foot. Great job
Not just ME, all the other states too... 

I'll shut up now
I'm Jewish and I'm right there with you in fearing his supporters. Their anti Muslim sentiments are large but so are their anti Jewish views. Even if Trump doesn't put these views into law, these people have become emboldened and their views are becoming normalized.",2016-11-09 03:21:44
2016 Final Election Day Returns Megathread,5bz70q,1307,"Title: 2016 Final Election Day Returns Megathread

Body: Welcome to the final /r/politics 2016 Election Day Returns Megathread! This will be the last Election Day Returns Megathread for this election cycle. We will however have one final megathread once a Presidential-Elect is projected. 

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# Election Returns Resources

* **Live Stream**: [CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/07/politics/live-election-results-coverage/index.html?sr=watchLiveHPbutton), [C-Span](https://www.c-span.org/video/?418191-1/campaign-2016-election-night-results-speeches), [NBC/YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deh3phE97ok), [ABC/YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TTiDlK4vS8), [PBS/YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL-gicgoCAY)

* **Interactive Web Tools**: [FiveThirtyEight](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-night-forecast-2016/), [270ToWin](http://www.270towin.com/), [Politico](http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president), [New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president), [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/nov/08/us-election-2016-results-live-clinton-trump?view=map&type=presidential)

* **Live Blog**: [FiveThirtyEight](http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/), [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/nov/08/us-election-2016-polls-trump-clinton-results-live), [Breitbart](http://www.breitbart.com/live/2016-election-day-live-updates/), [NPR](http://www.npr.org/2016/11/08/500427835/live-blog-election-night-2016), [CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/07/politics/live-election-results-coverage/index.html?sr=watchLiveHPbutton)

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#Megathread Topic

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[Virginia](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5bro76/2016_election_day_state_megathread_virginia/), [Washington (state)](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5broap/2016_election_day_state_megathread_state_of/), [Washington D.C.](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5brogx/2016_election_day_state_megathread_washington_dc/), [West Virginia](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5brojt/2016_election_day_state_megathread_west_virginia/), [Wisconsin](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5broni/2016_election_day_state_megathread_wisconsin/), [Wyoming](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5bros6/2016_election_day_state_megathread_wyoming/) and [U.S. Territories](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5browb/2016_election_day_state_megathread_us_territories/).

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#Previous Megathreads

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Top Comments:
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With Pennsylvania calling for Trump, the race is over. Trump will be the 45th President of the United States of America.

The American people have elected a President and Vice President that deny climate change, evolution, that endorse the anti-vaccine movement, are anti-choice, anti-immigration and anti-science, to name just a few.

To my American friends that voted against him and will now have to live through not only Trump, but Pence, a Republican controlled Senate, Republican controlled House of Representatives, and the promised conservative anti-LGBT SCOTUS judge, I am so sorry.
Let's do a quick review:

Trump just beat HILLARY CLINTON. THE HILLARY CLINTON spent the GDP of a small nation, had a president support her, had a former president campaign for her, had Bernie Fucking Sanders campaign for her, managed to beat two heavy scandals, and had the media back her up with polls and nonsense data, AND STILL LOST.

Lost to Donald Trump, who was riddled with scandals, barely spent anything, and won handily.

Wew lads. The DNC should have chosen a better candidate
You want something really scary. 

- Control of the House
- Control of the Senate
- Trump
- Pence
- Modern media. 

The Republican Party has the strongest grip on America it has ever had.   Ever.  

If you are LGBT, non-religious, work in science, are an immigrant or liberal; be fucking prepared.  

Climate Change consensus just got kicked into the fucking trash can.  
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He's not the president America needs but the one they deserve
Good job Americans, you elected a fucking meme for president 
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As someone who voted for Bernie in the primaries (but absolutely hated the attitude most Bernie supporters had in the primary) I think the Democratic Party should've paid more attention to what the future generation (millennials) wanted. Sure, I voted for Hillary in the election, and so did everyone I could convince. But the people I talked to were never crazy for Hillary like people were for Bernie. 

The fact the entire Democratic establishment went for Hillary before even the debates started was a bad sign that she was not going to get properly tested. It was completely disproportionate to how the voters did vote and made a lot of would be Democrats lose faith in the process.

My recommendation for fellow liberals will be to do to the Democratic Party what the Tea Party did to the Republican Party. Only when the leaders of the party fears the base will we get what we want. Pushing through a candidate with so much baggage was a terrible mistake and the DNC needs to be punished for it. #PurgetheDNC
Wow. What a sad day for America.
Dear media, if you treat the fucking election like a reality TV show, you get a reality TV show host for president.
...And here we are. Congratulations to the half of America that will be celebrating/rejoicing at their presidential choice. To the half that feel this is the end of the world, just remember once you hit rock bottom, the only direction left is up.

Unless there's a nuclear holocaust. In which case, up is not such a good idea.

Good night, America. Regardless of the results, the world does indeed keep going, work included.
they wanted a president that's not a politician, well they're fucking getting one now. 
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The winner of tonight's election is the Voyager space probe, launched in 1977, which is currently travelling at 62,137 km per hour away from the Earth into interstellar space...
Hello to future historians, citizens of the world, explorers of the ancient Internet.

Sorry.

We tried.
I honest to god teared up a little as my heart sank. I'm horrified that apparently the majority of Americans agree with them.
She didn't really beat those scandals, they really hindered her 
Surprising stat of the night: Clinton only won educated women by 6%
Americans are no longer allowed to say: ""how the hell did Hitler come into power""",2016-11-09 06:44:59
AP projects Donald Trump wins 2016 US Presidential Election - Magathread,5bzh35,9123,"Title: AP projects Donald Trump wins 2016 US Presidential Election - Magathread

Body: AP has projected that Donald Trump has won the 2016 Presidential Election and will serve as our 45th President of the United States. Mike Pence will serve as his Vice President. Congratulations to those that voted and helped campaign for them.

Please enjoy discussion about this election below, but remember that [our civility guidelines](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/wiki/rulesandregs#wiki_please_be_civil) are still in place.

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[Donald Trump set to become President after extraordinary victory over Hillary Clinton](http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-set-become-president-9223711) | /u/ElectionObserver2016
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[Hillary Clinton calls Donald Trump and concedes presidential election](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/08/live-global-markets-jolted-on-the-election-jitters-dow-futures-plunge-700-points.html) | /u/HanniGunz
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[Donald Trump Is Elected President in Stunning Repudiation of the Establishment](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-president.html) | /u/kiramis
['Dear God, America what have you done?': How the world and its media reacted as Donald Trump poised to become US president](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/09/us-election-the-world-holds-its-breath-as-polls-close-in-america/) | /u/Nuro92
[Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton called to congratulate us](http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/11/09/donald-trump-speaks-election-headquarters-announcement-sot.cnn) | /u/bernieaccountess
[Mexicans wonder how they'll be treated with President-elect Trump](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/11/08/mexico-united-states-presidential-election/93520600/) | /u/Dominator27
[President-elect Donald Trump calls for unity after brutal election](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/president-elect-donald-trump-calls-for-unity-after-brutal-election-231073?lo=ap_a1) | /u/cyanocittaetprocyon
[Hillary Clinton won't concede tonight - Los Angeles Times](http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-election-day-2016-hillary-clinton-won-t-concede-1478675592-htmlstory.html) | /u/agentf90
[Hillary Clinton concedes defeat in private call to Donald Trump](http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-election-day-2016-hillary-clinton-concedes-defeat-in-1478678030-htmlstory.html) | /u/Mr_unbeknownst
[Global markets in tailspin as Trump elected next U.S. president](http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/11/09/global-markets-tailspin-trump-victory-declared/93531114/) | /u/Im_Not_A_Socialist
[US Election 2016: Asia markets jolted by Trump win](http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37917842) | /u/phuocnguyen286
[Donald Trump Is Elected President in Stunning Repudiation of the Establishment - NYTimes.com](http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-president.html) | /u/peter_poiuyt
[Donald Trump just blew up the electoral map](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/08/donald-trumps-path-to-victory-is-suddenly-looking-much-much-wider/) | /u/youregaylol
[Donald Trump stuns the world, elected USA's 45th president](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/08/trump-clinton-target-social-media-swing-states-final-hours/93494872/) | /u/Annacarry83
[Full transcript: President-elect Donald Trump's victory speech](http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-president-elect-donald-trump-white-house-election-2016-518822?rx=us) | /u/samuelsamvimes
[Europes far-right politicians congratulate Donald Trump on election victory](http://www.newsweek.com/europe-far-right-congratulate-donald-trump-victory-marine-le-pen-518774?rx=us) | /u/ericcantonevilcousin
[How Trump won the election: volatility and a common touch](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/how-did-donald-trump-win-analysis) | /u/abdullahnisar7
[US election 2016 result: Donald Trump's victory speech in 2 minutes](http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37923498) | /u/rockyk8411
[Protests break out across the country minutes after Donald Trump is elected President](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/protests-erupt-minutes-donald-trump-elected-president-article-1.2865737) | /u/free_george_bush
[World leaders react to Donald Trump's US election victory](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/world-leaders-react-to-donald-trumps-us-election-victory) | /u/Shebu11
[Donald Trumps election could mean planetary disaster, environmentalists warn as UN climate summit begins](http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/donald-trump-election-us-global-warming-climate-change-fossil-fuels-petrol-oil-a7402276.html) | /u/The_Big_Lebowskii
[President-elect Trump vows to bring nation 'together as never before' should be an interesting 4 years](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/09/donald-trump-nation-world-obama/93534352/) | /u/wccoffma
[Democrats Dont Have A Plan If Donald Trump Is Elected](https://www.buzzfeed.com/katenocera/democrats-dont-have-a-plan-if-donald-trump-is-elected?utm_term=.vgY860yjk#.bioexJEmQ) | /u/TwoToneTrump
[17 things Trump said he will do if elected president](http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/17_things_trump_said_hed_do_if_elected_president.html#incart_river_home) | /u/coolcrosby
[Top aide reveals details about Trump's phone calls with Clinton, Obama](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kellyanne-conway-talks-details-of-trumps-phone-calls-with-clinton-obama/) | /u/KuttKameen
[Trump wins presidency, defeats Clinton in historic election upset in the face of insurmountable odds, a biased media, and a corrupt establishment!](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/08/trump-wins-presidency-defeats-clinton-in-historic-election-upset.html) | /u/CluelessWill
[Former KKK leader David Duke: 'Our people have played a HUGE role in electing Trump!'](http://www.businessinsider.com/david-duke-kkk-trump-election-2016-11) | /u/sl1ce_of_l1fe
[Trump will be the 4th president to win the Electoral College after getting fewer votes than his opponent](http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13572112/trump-popular-vote-loss) | /u/NeilPoonHandler
[Trump Wins Electoral College Votes; Clinton Has More Popular Votes](http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501403297/trump-wins-electoral-college-votes-clinton-wins-popular-vote) | /u/ColdStoneSkeevAutism
[r/politics has lost all credibility allowing itself to be turned into an echo chamber by the CTR trolls during this election. Their tactics were anti-democratic and bullying. I despise Trump but I value open and free debate. Shame on this sub-reddit for giving them free reign during recent months.](http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/27/reddit-users-declare-war-on-hillarys-paid-internet-trolls/) | /u/HalfRottenChihuahua
[What's next for Gov. Chris Christie now that Trump has won the presidential election](http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/what_now_for_chris_christie_experts_offer_predicti.html#incart_river_home) | /u/coolcrosby
[Election Victory Won't Shield Trump From Legal Woes](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-victory-shield-trump-legal-woes/story?id=43415273&cid=abcn_tco) | /u/thiman
[Private prison stocks are soaring after Donald Trump's election](http://www.businessinsider.com/private-prison-stocks-are-soaring-after-donald-trumps-election-2016-11) | /u/Mapleyy
[President-Elect Trump: Hillary Lost because Power Brokers decided She was Damaged Goods](http://www.globalresearch.ca/president-elect-trump-hillary-lost-because-power-brokers-decided-she-was-damaged-goods/5555983) | /u/User_Name13
[Donald Trump Is Elected President in Stunning Repudiation of the Establishment](http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-president.html?referer=https://www.google.com/) | /u/lookupmystats94
[Former KKK leader David Duke: 'Our people have played a HUGE role in electing Trump!'](http://finance.yahoo.com/news/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-075823237.html) | /u/Talk_Data_To_Me
[Donald Trump despised the Electoral College in 2012. It just won him the election.](http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13574138/trump-electoral-college-election-2016) | /u/European_Sanderista
[Clinton to Make First Remarks Since Conceding Election to Trump](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-make-first-remarks-conceding-election-trump-n681336) | /u/estheranil
[Hillary Clinton concedes to Trump: 'We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead'](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-updates-on-the-2016-election-voting-and-race-results/hillary-clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-and-a-chance-to-lead/?hpid=hp_rhp-bignews3_election-liveblog-ticker-desktop%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo&tid=notifi_push_breaking-news&pushid=breaking-news_1478710775) | /u/the_hack_attack
[Hillary Clinton Publicly Concedes: 'This Is Painful and It Will Be for a Long Time](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-expected-give-concession-speech-shortly/story?id=43416467) | /u/abdullahnisar7
[Trump wins US election: How world leaders have reacted](http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37919394) | /u/SplintPunchbeef
[I hope he will be a successful president', Hillary Clinton says as she concedes after Donald Trump victory](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/09/hillary-clinton-supporters-in-dismay-as-the-democrat-candidate-c/) | /u/abdullahnisar7
[Hillary Clinton concedes to Trump: We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-updates-on-the-2016-election-voting-and-race-results/hillary-clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-and-a-chance-to-lead/) | /u/gAlienLifeform
[How Trump Won the Election According to Exit Polls](http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/exit-poll-analysis.html) | /u/WhiteChristianMan
[52% of voters earning less than $50,000 a year  who make up 36% of the electorate  voted for Clinton. 41% voted for Trump.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls) | /u/NeverHadTheLatin
[3 ways Trump's election is truly historic](http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/305196-3-ways-trumps-election-is-truly-historic) | /u/Linda_Latina
[""Donald Trump will not be the 45th president of the United States. Nor the 46th, nor any other number you might name. The chance of his winning nomination and election is exactly zero.""](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/3-truths-about-trump/398351/) | /u/Spooky_White
[Trump popular vote loss would imperil Electoral College](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-popular-vote-loss-would-imperil-electoral-college/article/2606938?custom_click=rss) | /u/MegaSansIX
[Hillary Clinton concedes, telling little girls  you are valuable and powerful](http://www.vox.com/2016/11/9/13574496/hillary-clinton-concession-speech) | /u/juliarobart
[If Clinton wins popular vote, expect calls to kill Electoral College](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/09/clinton-popular-vote-electoral-college-trump-gore/93540436/) | /u/FeelTheJohnson1
[No Trump crash; Dow up 200 as Clinton concedes](http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/09/investing/dow-jones-trump-wins-election/) | /u/walrus-mafia
[The Guardian view on President-Elect Donald Trump: a dark day for the world](http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/the-guardian-view-on-president-elect-donald-trump-a-dark-day-for-the-world?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_reddit_is_fun) | /u/jimrosenz
[Hack the vote: Did a 4chan attack help rig the election for Trump?](http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/hack-the-vote-did-a-4chan-attack-rig-the-election-for-trump/) | /u/JessePayneee
[Islamist extremists celebrate Trumps election win](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/09/islamist-extremists-celebrate-trumps-election-win) | /u/ClosingDownSummer
[President-Elect Trump Proved Me Wrong About This Election. Now I Ardently Pray He Proves Me Wrong About Him.](http://www.dailywire.com/news/10639/president-elect-trump-proved-me-wrong-about-ben-shapiro) | /u/lurk3295
[What President-Elect Donald Trump Has Pledged to Do in His First 100 Days](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-elect-donald-trump-pledged-100-days/story?id=43424814) | /u/chefr89
[CBS makes horrendous post comparing Donald Trump being elected to 9/11.](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/people-are-saying-the-date-of-trumps-win-119-is-the-new-911-september-11th/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=30980180) | /u/willkilliam
[Amy Schumer will stay in the US despite promise to leave if Trump wins election](http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/11/09/amy-schumer-will-stay-in-us-despite-promise-to-leave-if-trump-wins-election.html) | /u/Allyanna
[US election 2016: Trump victory in maps](http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37889032) | /u/SawsanFod
[We actually elected a meme as president: How 4chan celebrated Trumps victory](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/09/we-actually-elected-a-meme-as-president-how-4chan-celebrated-trumps-victory/?tid=sm_tw) | /u/CatDad69
[Islamist extremists celebrate Trumps election win](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/09/islamist-extremists-celebrate-trumps-election-win/) | /u/drew1492
[Allan Nairn: Did the FBI Hand the Election to Donald Trump?](http://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/9/allan_nairn_did_the_fbi_hand) | /u/spacehogg
[Melania Trumps Hometown In Slovenia Is Partying After Election Victory](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-hometown-slovenia-partying_us_582338f3e4b0e80b02ce3400) | /u/JavascriptFanboy
[Winners and losers in the health-care industry under President Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/09/winners-and-losers-in-the-health-care-industry-under-president-trump/) | /u/drew1492
[Clinton and Obama lead calls for unity as US braces for Trump presidency](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/trump-victory-obama-clinton-unity) | /u/Prince104
[Trump wins US election: How world leaders have reacted](http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37919394?SThisFB) | /u/thatiswhathappened
[Another election surprise: Many Hispanics backed Trump](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/09/hispanic-vote-election-2016-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/93540772/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) | /u/juliarobart
[Donald Trump Is Elected President in Stunning Repudiation of the Establishment](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/09/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-president.html?ref=politics) | /u/NinjaHDD
[Silicon Valley Reels After Trump's Election](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/technology/trump-election-silicon-valley-reels.html) | /u/PleaseDontUpv0te
[Here's President-elect Donald Trump's list of potential Supreme Court nominees](http://www.businessinsider.com/president-elect-donald-trump-supreme-court-list?) | /u/douchiz
[Donald Trumps Election Victory Sparks Protests Across the World](http://time.com/4565023/donald-trump-election-victory-protests-world/) | /u/wyldcat
[These former Obama strongholds sealed the election for Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/) | /u/TheCandyGenius
[Dow ends near record highs following election of Trump](http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-futures-plunge-500-points-but-pare-losses-as-trump-closes-in-on-us-presidency-2016-11-09) | /u/derstherower
[We actually elected a meme as president: How 4chan celebrated Trumps victory](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/09/we-actually-elected-a-meme-as-president-how-4chan-celebrated-trumps-victory/) | /u/blarginfadiddlenohip
[Trumps election marks the end of any serious hope of limiting climate change to 2 degrees.](http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/11/9/13575684/trump-2-degrees) | /u/CheapBeer
[Electing Trump: the moment America laid waste to democracy as we know it](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/electing-donald-trump-democracy-us-politics) | /u/galt1776
[11 questions for President-elect Donald Trump](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-11-questions-231151) | /u/tiggsabby
[US election result: Europeans stunned by deafening Trump roar](http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37925716) | /u/JusticeRobbins
[Lee Fang: Donald Trump Recruits Corporate Lobbyists to Select His Future Administration](http://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/9/lee_fang_donald_trump_recruits_corporate) | /u/misstastemaker
[The Democratic Party deserves so much of the blame for electing Donald Trump](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-democratic-party-deserves-blame-electing-trump-article-1.2866238) | /u/clib
[Donald Trump election win as much a shocker as stock markets rally](http://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-markets-reaction-more-of-a-surprise-than-trump-election-win-2016-11-09) | /u/mbungle
[As Clinton concedes, NYSE traders reportedly boo, shout ""lock her up""](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/as-clinton-concedes-nyse-traders-reportedly-boo-shout-lock-her-up/) | /u/innociv
[Another election surprise: Many Hispanics backed Trump](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/09/hispanic-vote-election-2016-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/93540772/) | /u/musiton
[Trump called the Electoral College a sham and a travesty in 2012](https://news.vice.com/story/donald-trump-denounced-the-electoral-college-in-2012) | /u/OsamaBeenModdin
[Trump Tower: President-Elect's Residence and New Security Challenge](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-tower-president-elect-s-residence-new-security-challenge-n681641) | /u/NerdyRomantic
[US election 2016 results: Meet President Trump's possible cabinet](http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37931552) | /u/marathon
[Election results not altering Schneiderman's Trump investigations](http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2016/11/election-results-not-altering-schneidermans-trump-investigations-107241) | /u/HILLARY_EATS_BABIES
[How the Terrible, Skewed, Anachronistic Electoral College Gave Us Trump](https://newrepublic.com/article/138631/terrible-skewed-anachronistic-electoral-college-gave-us-trump) | /u/superiority
['Keep an open mind': US children react to Trump election victory](http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/37919676) | /u/rockyk8411
[Bernie Sanders offers warning to Trump in post-election statement](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-offers-warning-trump-post-election-statement-article-1.2866652) | /u/tiggsabby
[Thousands Across the US Protest President-Elect Donald Trump](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/thousands-us-protest-president-elect-donald-trump/story?id=43427653) | /u/madflavr
[Trumps election marks the end of any serious hope of limiting climate change to 2 degrees](http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/11/9/13575684/trump-2-degrees?utm_campaign=vox.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_source=facebook) | /u/JanetYellensFuckboy
[Protests to Trumps Election Spread Nationwide](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/trump-election-protests.html?_r=0) | /u/mnali
[Protests to Trumps Election Spread Nationwide](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/trump-election-protests.html) | /u/ZeroEqualsOne
[Why Voters Elected President Donald J. Trumpand Why Theyll Regret It](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/09/why-voters-elected-president-donald-j-trump-and-why-they-ll-regret-it.html?via=desktop&source=Reddit) | /u/greymanbomber
[x After Donald Trump Was Elected President, Aaron Sorkin Wrote This Letter to His Daughter](http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/aaron-sorkin-donald-trump-president-letter-daughter) | /u/kvanzanten
[Hack the vote: Did a 4chan attack help rig the election for Trump?](http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/hack-the-vote-did-a-4chan-attack-rig-the-election-for-trump) | /u/smallhands1
[Donald Trump won election because Democrats rigged system to have Clinton beat Bernie Sanders, says WikiLeaks](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-us-election-president-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-democrats-primary-results-a7408451.html) | /u/feeling_that_bern
[Dow closes up 250 points; financials surge after Trump election upset](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/11/09/us-markets.html?client=safari) | /u/boogietime
[How The Electoral College Can Save Us From Trump And Hillary](http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/26/electoral-college-can-save-us-trump-hillary/) | /u/HardcoreHamburger
[Hillary Clinton: I hope to be friendly with Donald Trump after the election](https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-i-hope-to-be-friendly-with-donald-trump-after-the-election-193845099.html) | /u/gulghafar
[National recall after Newsweek misfires with Clinton cover](http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/national-recall-after-newsweek-misfires-with-clinton-cover/) | /u/le_petit_dejeuner
[How Trump redrew the electoral map, from sea to shining sea](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/election-results-from-coast-to-coast/) | /u/TheChinchilla914
[The ACLU has received nearly $1 million in donations since Donald Trump's election](http://www.businessinsider.com/aclu-to-donald-trump-see-you-in-court-2016-11) | /u/BellsBastian
[Not Above the Law: 75 Lawsuits Against President-Elect Trump](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/10/75-lawsuits-against-president-elect-trump.html) | /u/cynycal
[Trumps Call to Ban Muslims From U.S. Quietly Scrubbed From Campaign Website After Election](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/09/trump_s_call_to_ban_muslims_from_u_s_quietly_scrubbed_from_campaign_website.html) | /u/piede
[Donald Trump 2012 Election Tweetstorm Resurfaces](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-2012-election-tweetstorm-resurfaces-popular-electoral/story?id=43431536) | /u/ColdStoneSkeevAutism
[Why Bernie Sanders' Statement On Donald Trump's Election Walks A Dangerous Line](https://www.bustle.com/articles/194497-why-bernie-sanders-statement-on-donald-trumps-election-walks-a-dangerous-line) | /u/progressive_voter
[The 538 electors who will cast their votes for president in December are under no obligation to vote the way their state did. Should enough electors choose to dissent, or withhold their vote, Trump could be denied the White House.](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/electoral-college-prevent-president-trump-article-1.2738571) | /u/Mako18
['The reason Trump won is because people like you lecture people': Steve Price clashes with former Labor staffer Jamila Rizvi over US election result on The Project... before Carrie Bickmore tells him to 'change his tone'](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3919792/Steve-Price-clashes-Jamila-Rizvi-election-result-Project.html) | /u/Wizking990
[The Promises of President-elect Donald Trump, in His Own Words](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-10/the-promises-of-president-elect-donald-trump-in-his-own-words) | /u/Ulter_Yon11
[Thousands take to streets in major cities to protest Trump election](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/10/thousands-take-to-streets-in-major-cities-to-protest-trump-election.html) | /u/AM_Kylearan
[FiveThirtyEight elections podcast: President Trump](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/elections-podcast-president-trump/) | /u/AndNowIKnowWhy
[Donald Trump in charge: The considerable clout of the president-elect](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/09/donald-trump-charge-considerable-clout-president-elect/93538998/) | /u/RIDEO
[White Women Helped Elect Donald Trump](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/white-women-helped-elect-donald-trump.html?_r=0) | /u/Bathbodyworks
[Donald Trump campaign team 'were in contact' with Russian government ahead of shock election as President](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-campaign-contact-with-russia-kremlin-government-wins-election-president-vladimir-putin-a7408866.html) | /u/grepnork
[Extremists celebrate Donald Trump election win](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/11/10/extremists-celebrate-donald-trump-election-win/93580822/) | /u/SoylentRainbow
[Protesting Donald Trump's Election, Not Wars, Surveillance, or Deportations](http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/10/protesting-donald-trumps-election-not-wa) | /u/monkeydeluxe
[Donald Trump due to meet President Obama as backlash begins with protests against US election result across America](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/us-election-2016-donald-trump-barack-obama-white-house/) | /u/Shebu11
[Donald Trump to meet Barack Obama after US election victory  live updates](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/nov/10/donald-trump-barack-obama-white-house-us-election-live-updates) | /u/Shebu11
[Trump's Election Boosts Kremlin Hopes for Better Relations](http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/11/10/world/europe/ap-eu-russia-trump-whats-next.html) | /u/FELLATIO_by_TedCruz
[How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/gary-johnson-jill-stein-spoiler/index.html?sr=twpol111016gary-johnson-jill-stein-spoiler0147PMVODtopLink&linkId=31006018) | /u/xxipilots
[Electoral College Lesson: More Voters Chose Clinton, but Trump Will Be President](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/electoral-college-lesson-more-voters-chose-hillary-clinton-trump-will-n681701) | /u/Shifter25
[Russia Says It Was In Touch With Trump Campaign During The Election](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-russia-in-touch-election_us_582475f5e4b0d9ce6fc0e5f4) | /u/million_monkeys
[Russia says was in touch with Trump campaign during election](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russia-trump-idUSKBN1351RJ) | /u/MakeItxBreakIt
[Donald Trump due to meet President Obama as backlash begins with protests against US election result across America](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/donald-trump-due-to-meet-president-obama-as-backlash-begins-with/) | /u/comsian45
[How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/gary-johnson-jill-stein-spoiler/index.html) | /u/pablogoat
[Colleges Cancelled Exams for Students Traumatized by Trump's Election](http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/10/colleges-cancelled-exams-for-students-tr) | /u/GoStars817
[After Donald Trump Was Elected President, Aaron Sorkin Wrote This Letter to His Daughter](http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/aaron-sorkin-donald-trump-president-letter-daughter?mbid=social_twitter) | /u/JanetYellensFuckboy
[US president-elect Donald Trump STILL hasn't spoken to Theresa May](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3923382/What-special-relationship-president-elect-Donald-Trump-hasn-t-spoken-Theresa-called-Turkey-Egypt-Ireland.html) | /u/Prince102
[President-elect Trump arrives for White House meeting with Obama](http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1350FO) | /u/callcybercop
[Obama Hosts Trump at White House for First Meeting After Election](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/obama-hosts-trump-white-house-first-meeting-after-election-n682026) | /u/RIDEO
[How Gary Johnson and Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/gary-johnson-jill-stein-spoiler/) | /u/tonettafan
[How Trump Pushed the Election Map to the Right](http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/how-trump-pushed-the-election-map-to-the-right.html) | /u/thurst31
[Trump just completely reversed his policy on South Korea  only 2 days after being elected](http://www.vox.com/world/2016/11/10/13585524/donald-trump-phone-call-south-korea-park-geun-hye?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter) | /u/cossack1000
[Protestors Against Donald Trump Should Challenge The Electoral College If They Want To Create Change](https://www.bustle.com/articles/194511-protestors-against-donald-trump-should-challenge-the-electoral-college-if-they-want-to-create-change) | /u/moonlightsugar
[Russia Reached Out to Trump, Clinton Camps During Election](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-10/russia-says-it-was-in-contact-with-trump-s-team-during-campaign) | /u/SlumpDOCTOR
[President elect Donald Trump live The Republican meets Barack Obama at the White House](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-live-president-wins-news-us-election-2016-barack-obama-nigel-farage-assad-latest-a7409326.html) | /u/Slimyjimy1
[In Meeting At White House, President-Elect Trump Calls Obama 'Very Fine Man'](http://www.npr.org/2016/11/10/501566466/in-surreal-moment-president-elect-donald-trump-meets-with-president-obama) | /u/GoStars817
[CNN is Projecting Trump as winner of the popular vote.](http://www.cnn.com/election/results) | /u/indifilm68
[Trump just completely reversed his policy on South Korea  only 2 days after being elected](http://www.vox.com/world/2016/11/10/13585524/donald-trump-phone-call-south-korea-park-geun-hye) | /u/kajanana
[According to CNN Trump is projected to win the popular vote.](http://edition.cnn.com/election/results) | /u/Helicaster
[Women Accusing Trump Won't Be Intimidated After Election, Lawyer Says](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-intimidate-women-accusing-misconduct-lawyer/story?id=43440825) | /u/ZenBerzerker
[Did Harambe the Gorilla Write-Ins Hand Election to Donald Trump?](http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Did-Harambe-the-Gorilla-Write-Ins-Hand-Election-10604788.php) | /u/HILLARY_4_TREASON
[Trump election helps spur record Obamacare signups](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/10/trump-election-spurs-record-obamacare-signups-month/93590056/) | /u/SplintPunchbeef
[The Kremlin says a victory for Clinton would have sparked World War Three and electing Trump saved the world from Armageddon](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3922890/The-Kremlin-says-victory-Clinton-sparked-World-War-Three-electing-Trump-saved-world-Armageddon.html) | /u/Spooky_White

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They did it.  /pol/ actually did it.  

They shitposted a man into the White House.
Not just the president, but the house and the senate too.

Which means the Supreme court is in the hands of a 100% controlled Republican US government.

The GOP is officially in charge of *EVERYTHING.*
Hilary was supposed to win this election handily. Then Trump wins just about every battleground state (FL/OH/NC/PA/MI/WI) and proved every single poll wrong. This will be written in history books about how the polls were so wrong and how Donald fucking Trump was elected as president. 

My god, yes, President Donald Trump. It's been real, America.

I love how people gave Silver shit for saying Trump had a 30% chance because it was ""too high"".
Breyer and Ginsburg better start taking their vitamins.
>Magathread.
 
Nice.
What an unexpected voter turnout. Keeping all political biases aside, I'm shocked how inaccurate the polls were - it seemed Clinton had a sure win at the beginning of the day. Not only will this election be a huge one in history, but this election day in particular as well. 

It's been a very intense, divisive, explosive, and energetic past year in American politics and culture. I'm interested in seeing how this will all play out in the next few weeks and once Trump eventually takes office. 


MI, WI, were not **perceived** battleground states, that's how HRC fucked up.
just as everyone expected^whatthefuckjusthappened^ohmygod
Hahaha 4chan won an election what the hell
Good. Maybe they can actually start doing their job for once instead of acting like whiny brats. Anything that goes wrong in next two years, they own it 
Sorry UK --- and I'ma let you finish --- but the Americans made the worst political decision OF ALL TIME. 
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**It should have been Bernie.** 
John Oliver is going to lose his mind on his show on Sunday.
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What the fuck.
Congrats Trump. I hate your guts, but congrats on completely destroying the political establishment and winning.
""hey guys.. we got Mountain Dew to cancel their 'name our flavour' contest, what do you wanna do next?""


""let's elect the next president..""


""dude that's brilliant!""


""i was just joking..""


""fucking brilliant!""
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"If America's okay with a man with zero political experience being elected in 2016, I'd fully support this guy running in 2020.",5c1a9a,45396,"Title: If America's okay with a man with zero political experience being elected in 2016, I'd fully support this guy running in 2020.

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Jon Stewart would run on a platform of ""I'm only running because you idiots seem to like me and I don't fucking trust who you'll elect otherwise..."" 
According the apparent Oracles that are The Simpsons writers, our 1st female president follows Trump's presidency. 
Stewart for president: ""If this election is going to be a joke, then we might as well be laughing.""
Yeah, but we aren't going to get that. We are going to get [this guy](http://img.wennermedia.com/article-leads-vertical-300/1251227849_kanye_west_290x402.jpg), guaranteed.
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We must all follow the church of the yellow all hail the Do'oh.
No political experience for president you say? 

Musk 2020
Hindsight will be 2020
Admit it though: if they both went for the DNC nomination, those debates would be nothing short of incredible
Could be Tulsi Gabbard instead.
Remember when the Republicans were arguing that Obama was unfit to run for president because he didn't have much experience in political office before???? Remember that shit??
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A TV personality could ne.... Oh wait, yeah Stewart/Colbert 2020!
This is true for literally everyone with power in this country. Every major politician is rich. There are no poor people with voices in this country at all. That's a huge problem, but people like John Stuart, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert are not the problem. The problem is with the people convincing poor people that other poor people are their enemy and not the corporations that we all work for and the venal government that bows down to them.
Mark Cuban is absolutely running in 2020 for the Dems.
Wasn't there a movie about this with Robin Williams?
Man of the year.
Yeah, so he's African American. It's right there in the word: American. That's who we need for America! 
I like John Oliver, I think he's an intelligent guy and he's shed light on a lot of issues that nobody else has been willing to ... but on one level he's part of the problem.  Liberal urban elitists just got the shit kicked out of them in one of the most important but horrible election cycles in living memory.  John Oliver, unlike many others, has put himself into economic arguments, and I'm happy he has, but for all their righteous talk we all know that there's a reason why guys like John Oliver and Jon Stewart chose not to become say, steel industry foremen.  When a guy with an [$80 million](https://www.google.com/search?q=jon+stewart+net+worth&espv=2&biw=1249&bih=603&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNxZGFjpzQAhVBxoMKHe7DDyoQ_AUIBygA&dpr=1) net worth calls you a bigot for not supporting illegal immigration despite the fact that you're struggling to pay your health insurance premium (which recently doubled), you're probably not going to take too kindly to it.  

I don't doubt either of the Jo(h)ns is a humble person at heart, but the economics of their situations makes them inherently different from the rest of us.  Period.  Until the problem of inequality and the poor plight of the working class is solved, liberals will be viewed as just another form of bad guy, and the Trumps of the world will prosper. ",2016-11-09 14:11:58
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>he's also a bona fide conspiracy theorist. (Remember how Ted Cruz's dad might have been involved in JFK's assassination?)

No, and neither does anyone else, his strategy is clear and simple, the higher you pile the bullshit, the harder to see over it and remember the real ground buried beneath it. The people in this country have become so gullible that this blatant obvious facade of pure, ever expanding shit storm is now the new normal. Post-truth my ass, this is full on fantasy land in action.

Edit: Thank you for the gold kind stranger, but I have mixed feelings about getting it for such a pained cry for our loss of reality (how ever much that may be).
This is going to be a bizarre four years
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> Trump: It's rigged!
> 
> Clinton: No it isn't.
> 
> Trump: Definitely rigged!
> 
> ~~Clinton~~ Stein: Okay, let's audit.
> 
> [Trump: They're trying to steal the election!](https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/803077187288985600)
But you need to coddle conservatives in their fantasy safe spaces or in their ""economic anxiety,"" they'll elect an actual fascist.
*And he doesn't get impeached 
Imagine how nuts he will get if he doesn't win Time's Person of the Year for 2016. 
The polls did not predict a 99% chance of a Hillary victory. 538 had it 65/35 just before the election through some pretty rigorous statistical analysis. 
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That's because they're delighted they have all three branches of government. 
Jon Stewart coined the term Bullshit Mountain when he debated O'Reilly in 2012(?). Sad to see we've added a few more peaks to the range. 
As far as they're concerned, he's a rubberstamp president. Sure he might put up a fight but he has no idea what he's doing, and that makes him easy to manipulate.
He's got good odds there. Time's Person of the year doesn't really mean anything *good*, just that the person has had a huge effect on the world. 
Im expecting some type of GOP coup, they've been too quiet about these shenanigans
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He realized after the white house visit that being president isn't easy. He's now trying to find a way out without seeming like that's what he wants. 
Well, if the polls predict a 99% chance of a Hillary victory and then Trump wins anyway, then maybe the polls actually were rigged. Or at least horribly flawed.
To be fair. They chose a racist and he came with a bonus of fascism. 
He's got the mouth of King Joffrey but the fortitude of King Tommen.
>Republicans vote regardless. You're blaming the wrong people.    
      
Jesus Christ every time.   
    
X IS TO BLAME!   
NO, X IS NOTHING, Y IS TO BLAME!   
     
Guys X is to blame. And Y. And Z. Can we stop this totally non-productive habit of ignoring what put Trump in office?     
    
Trump won because down-on-their-luck rural people swallowed the empty lies of a billionaire out of desperation. This is inalienably true.        
Trump *also* won because the Dems put forward the candidate that *didn't* get people excited.   
Trump *also* won because gerrymandering and the electoral college allows someone to be president even if 2 million more people voted for the other guy.   
Trump *also* won because the MSM gave him free marketing for literally every burp to tumble out from his lips.   
Trump *also* won because of foreign interference.   
Trump *also* won because America makes it as hard as possible to vote, and lots of people can't spend hours in line or make it out to a polling station.  
    
None of this shit is in a bubble. Lets stop this waving-away, blame shifting nonsense - there's dozens of things to blame here. And they *all* need to be addressed.",2016-11-28 13:04:19
Obama orders US intelligence agencies to conduct a full review of cyber attacks in the 2016 election and deliver a report before he leaves office,5hiblw,14037,"Title: Obama orders US intelligence agencies to conduct a full review of cyber attacks in the 2016 election and deliver a report before he leaves office

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What about that huge ass international DDos that happened the same day Assange was rumored to have been taken out of the Ecuadorian embassy back in October?

Can we see the report and results on that too? 
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ctrl + f ""hello this is russian hacker""

Got nothing lads, lets go home!
Here's the report:

1. Seth Rich (RIP) leaked the DNC emails. (pretty clear tells here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp7FkLBRpKg) 

2. Podesta's password was ""p@ssw0rd"". (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/22335)

3. Kim Dotcom got the rest of Hillary's emails because her server was illegal and run by a re-re who even posted on Reddit to learn more about managing his server for this, ""Very VIP,"" person. (too much to cite but here's the re-re: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/09/20/hillary-clintons-it-guy-asked-reddit-for-help-altering-emails-a-twitter-sleuth-claims/ )

People want to act like this is some kind of interference abroad, and maybe there was some, but the real shit that brought the DNC down was their own arrogance. 
Hi I have some questions.

1) What does Level3 mean?

2) What does RF mean?

3) What does MPLS mean?

4) Am I an idiot for not knowing this stuff?

5) Who killed Seth Rich?
I'm beginning to get the feeling that all the fuckups we've been seeing out of Level3 lately are the government's fault. Like that big outage on November 2. It took 4 days and 3 tickets to finally get an RFO, and the best we got was that a route reflector bounced. How the fuck does it just bounce? And how the fuck does it take out phones and MPLS for half the country? I think there were some shenanigans going on.


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1) Level 3 is a communications company
2) RF - I assume he means root fault which is typically an RCA or root cause analysis. It's the results given when there is a service interruption.
3) MPLS is a Multi Protocol Label Switching. It's a technology that is most often used for private connections by companies but many providers supply the service on the same systems that deliver Internet.
4) No, he used acronyms common in the industry. 
Yeah, but will he [publish the results](https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161209/11115036236/president-obama-orders-intel-agencies-to-produce-report-russian-election-influence.shtml), too?

Or will he just insinuate that maybe sort of they kind of did it, but we're not just going to outright say it, like his administration has already done so far?

Considering January 20 is just a few days before handing the White House to Trump, I assume the answer to that is *no*.
If they are going to make a claim that that a foreign country influenced our democracy, shouldn't they have evidence to show us? The intelligence agencies want us to believe them, but I remember believing that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and then there were not. I would really like to see evidence before an accusation is made. 

That being said, I'm not against a review, but it seems like a last ditch effort to change the results. The protests didn't work, threatening the electoral college voters didn't work, Jill Stein's recount didn't work, and now this. I just can't help but take both of these Reuters articles with the biggest grain of salt.
The CIA was actually pretty confident there were no WMDs in Iraq, so Bush and friends found another agency with less institutional spine and badgered them into ""finding"" the evidence.
Our government has lost credibility so any report will be discredited or applauded along party lines.  The average American will sigh and hope for better days ahead.  
This article is about hacking private emails and releasing damaging information for one side (while not touching the other side). It has nothing to do with vote totals, which is what Obama was referring to when he said the elections wouldn't be rigged. 
Did anyone else read this in a Russian accent?  
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I remember before the election when Obama was saying it's impossible to rig an American election.
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It's amazing how many people are giving Obama shit here or seem to think that this is just the Dems acting like sore losers. A foreign country tried to influence our election through cyberwarfare essentially. What am I missing here, how is this not a big ass deal?
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"/u/jacquedsouza provides a detailed, cited account of the investigation surrounding Russia's alleged involvement in the 2016 US Presidential Election.",5hqf85,11577,"Title: /u/jacquedsouza provides a detailed, cited account of the investigation surrounding Russia's alleged involvement in the 2016 US Presidential Election.

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I can't help but find it amusing that the US is freaking out because another country influenced its elections. Now you know what Latin America feels like.
The thing I find amusing/baffling/maddening about this is how people on the right are either ignoring this, or trying to paint russia/putin in a good light, as if it's not a big deal.

Now, if Russia was Russia-stan, full of bearded muslims, and the attacks were to help Clinton win the election, whole other story.

The part where amusement turns to despair is where Trump is so openly friendly with Putin/Russia, and the right GIVES LITERALLY ZERO FUCKS.

But then as someone who only moved to the US two years ago, I literally don't understand how so many people in this country were drawn in by a snake oil salesman like Trump. I've read all the excuses, I'll heard all the arguments, but... I don't get it. I honestly feel like I'm living in an alternate reality.

Ironically I told my (american) wife I wouldn't live in the US until healthcare got sorted out because I was worried about us having kids somewhere that they might not be able to get insurance/proper care, and now that my wife's pregnant, it looks like Obama's imperfect but positive steps towards a functional healthcare system are going to be turned back.
Middle East here. Every election has huge US influence, features one side being sponsored by US/EU NGOs. Preventing that sponsorship is apparently ""undemocratic"".

The Americans often forget that the world can see their hypocrisy even if they don't see it themselves. 

EDIT: So this got a bit higher than I expected, so a couple things to clear up here: first, I love americans, and I don't blame each and every one of you personally. It's all good bros! Second, I don't hate the United States, nor the government, and I'm definitely not the flag-burning kind of guy. All I'm pointing out is: on one hand, this attitude of “[We cannot allow foreign governments to interfere in our democracy](http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/12/house-divided)”; on the other hand having a huge machine with a history of interfering in other countries' democracies (the State Department) — these two can't go hand in hand. 
What happened to reddit? 

I keep seeing people defend this by saying it's ok because clinton had dirty laundry. This is just one step away from the police don't need warrants as long as they find incriminating evidence.
""It's cool when we're not the victims""
> What happened to reddit? 

/r/the_donald happened. /pol/ found a nice cozy place over here. 
/r/the_donald is literally *thanking* Russia for influencing the election.

 They are deplorable scum. 
I feel like you may have missed all of those people in the south and 
midwest. They definitely voted Trump as much as they didn't vote Clinton.
And it's just some influence, revealing some secrets of one candidate. The US has helped get into power a lot of dictators in the last half century.

Remember all the military dictatorships killing people by the thousands in the 70s? The CIA files probably 'member.
Hi american here, we're completely unaware of these things happening in your country sorry. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's so easy for you all to say this. Nobody is going to claim she's perfect, but she ran a strong campaign. She out-raised him, out-organized him, out-prepared him, and out-debated him. She mostly did her job. It's pretty challenging to win an election with a media that doesn't cover issues or truth, a foreign government shilling for the other candidate through wikilekas, and an FBI director knowingly trying to sway the election. Not to mention a voting populace dumb enough to believe someone who says dumb shit like they have a plan to defeat ISIS, but it's a secret. This was a failing of the entire country's. Not just one person or campaign. 


We know exactly how Podesta's emails, the DNC's emails, the DCCC's emails, Former NATO General Breedlove's emails, Former Secretary of State Colin Powell's emails and Soros' Open Society Foundation's intranet documents, were all hacked.

The proof is that the hackers used Bitly to mask the malicious URL and trick people into thinking the URL was legitimate. They made two mistakes, however. 

First, they accidentally left two of their Bitly accounts public, rather than setting them to private. This allowed security researchers to view some general account information, like what URLs were shortened and what they were changed to.

Second, they used Gmail's official numeric ID for each person inside of their maliciously crafted URLs. This allowed cybersecurity researchers to find out exactly *who* had been targeted. 

Want the entire list?


**Confirmed Victims**

* DNC
* DCCC
* NATO General Breedlove
* Secretary of State Colin Powell
* George Soros' Open Society Foundation
* NSA

**Confirmed Targets**

Individuals in political, military, and diplomatic positions in former Soviet states, as well as journalists, human rights organizations, regional advocacy groups, authors, journalists, NGOs, and political activists in Russia:

* Bellingcat
* Opposition-based Russian journalist Roman Dobrokhotov

Government personnel, military personnel, government supply chain, and aerospace, such as:

* Systems engineer working on a military simulation tool
* Consultant specializing in unmanned aerial systems
* IT security consultant working for NATO
* Director of federal sales for the security arm of a multinational technology company
* High-profile Syrian rebel leaders, including a leader of the Syrian National Coalition
* German parliament
* Italian military
* Saudi foreign ministry
* Spokesperson for the Ukrainian prime minister.

Clinton campaign/DNC:

* National political director
* Finance director
* Director of strategic communications
* Director of scheduling
* Director of travel
* Traveling press secretary
* Travel coordinator
* Director of speechwriting for Hillary for America
* Deputy director office of the chair at the DNC
* William Rinehart, a staffer with Clinton’s presidential campaign. 


As you can see, critics of Russia and Democrat officials were targeted, along with other people, like military men.

Sources: 

[Threat Group-4127 Targets Google Accounts](https://www.secureworks.com/research/threat-group-4127-targets-google-accounts)

[Threat Group-4127 Targets Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign](https://www.secureworks.com/research/threat-group-4127-targets-hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign)

>**Use of the Bitly URL-shortening service**

>A Bitly URL was uploaded to Phishtank at almost the same time as the original spearphishing URL (see Figure 4).

>[Figure 4. Bitly phishing URL submitted at same time as accoounts-google . com phishing URL.](https://www.secureworks.com/~/media/Images/Insights/Resources/Threat%20Analyses/072%20Google%20Accounts/image004_ta-google-accounts.ashx?h=96&w=700&hash=3F1B911C3F7C4C3C316875D1E162C27944F089B2&la=en)

>Using a tool on Bitly’s website, CTU researchers determined that the Bitly URL redirected to the original phishing URL (see Figure 5). Analysis of activity associated with the Bitly account used to create the shortened URL revealed that it had been used to create more than 3,000 shortened links used to target more than 1,800 Google Accounts.

>[Figure 5. Link-shortener page for bit. ly/1PXQ8zP that reveals the full URL. ](https://www.secureworks.com/~/media/Images/Insights/Resources/Threat%20Analyses/072%20Google%20Accounts/image005_ta-google-accounts.ashx?h=195&w=700&hash=C6D25DD8BD795D1C1820667A43280CDFCA531A2B&la=en)

>**Target analysis**

>CTU researchers analyzed the Google Accounts targeted by TG-4127 to gain insight about the targets and the threat group’s intent.

>**Focus on Russia and former Soviet states**

>Most of the targeted accounts are linked to intelligence gathering or information control within Russia or former Soviet states. The majority of the activity appears to focus on Russia’s military involvement in eastern Ukraine; for example, the email address targeted by the most phishing attempts (nine) was linked to a spokesperson for the Ukrainian prime minister. Other targets included individuals in political, military, and diplomatic positions in former Soviet states, as well as journalists, human rights organizations, and regional advocacy groups in Russia.

The founder of CrowdStrike is a Russian-American and his company has been tasked with investigating the DNC/Podesta leaks. He blames Mother Russia:

[The Russian Expat Leading the Fight to Protect America](http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49902/the-russian-emigre-leading-the-fight-to-protect-america/) 

The guy who discovered that Stuxnet was an American creation also blames Russia:

[Cybersecurity Expert: Proof Russia Behind DNC, Podesta Hacks
](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/05/cybersecurity-expert-proof-russia-behind-dnc-podesta-hacks.html)

[How Hackers Broke Into John Podesta and Colin Powell’s Gmail Accounts](http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-hackers-broke-into-john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts)

[How Russia Pulled Off the Biggest Election Hack in U.S. History](http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49791/russian-dnc-emails-hacked/)

**And guess what happened after Trump won?**

>Merely a few hours after Donald Trump declared his stunning victory, a group of hackers that is widely believed to be Russian and was involved in the breach of the Democratic National Committee launched a wave of attacks against dozens of people working at universities, think tank tanks, NGOs, and even inside the US government.

>....The targets work for organizations such as Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty, the Atlantic Council, the RAND Corporation, and the State Department, among others.

If you want a more in-depth analysis of the actors behind the leaks, read my much longer post here: **[Culminating Analysis of DNC/DCCC/Soros/Colin-Powell/NATO-General-Breedlove/NSA-Equation-Group/Podesta Leaks and Hacks](https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/5bgwfj/culminating_analysis_of/)**
A detailed, cited account that only shows how little concrete evidence the intelligence agencies have in this matter. Attribution is notoriously difficult for cyber-attacks.
Trump didn't win the election so much as Clinton lost it.
Speak for yourself. Especially when telling everyone you're uninformed. 
Let's agree that most Americans are unaware of what the US is fully doing
Oh, we see it. There is a ton of unrest and distrust in the US. Especially among the younger generations. It just doesn't feel like there's much we can do about it, which is probably a little similar to what you feel...only on a smaller scale.
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Partisans and ideologues are trying to control the conversation and they don't care what methods are used to get the political results they want. 
You mean ""that only shows how little concrete evidence the intelligence agencies have *declassified and made publicly available*.""

Not making evidence public isn't the same as not having evidence.",2016-12-11 15:03:21
"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",5l3ynt,27505,"Title: Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech

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This is why internet was declared a human right.  It's not about providing it to everyone, it is to stop governments from silencing communication.  

Free communication is the most important of all rights, because the first step in stopping other wrongs is for people to know that they exist.
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Communication free of survailance would also be something people should stand up for
Because ""I got nothin' to hide.""
""Just call up Bill Gates and shut some of that shit down.""

-People soon to be in power, probably. 
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Net neutrality is important, but it is an entirely different issue from government control of internet access. A 100% neutral internet can still be taken away.

When people say this I ask them how they feel about shady people barging into their home and poking about. Suddenly they understand what privacy means. 
I'm not sure why you're being down voted. This is paraphrasing a direct quote from Donald Trump. 

Here's the link: https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2015/12/08/donald-trump-thinks-he-can-call-bill-gates-to-shut-down-the-internet/
> I'm not sure why you're being down voted.

[Trump supporters follow me around Reddit and instantly downvote every one of my comments. It's like having an annoying fan club.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRecordCorrected/comments/53ck4e/pretty_sure_this_user_is_a_shill/)
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I agree. How is that not already guaranteed by the 1st and 4th amendments? 
Surprised it isn't more considering how long a year is and how repressive some regimes are.
Don't worry. Pretty sure the UK is gearing up to raise those numbers.
My go to is ""Why do you close the door when you go to the bathroom?  If you aren't doing anything wrong in there why cant you do your business in front of god and everybody?""

The problem is that the question of the legality of surveillience is framed in the context of catching criminals and not of personal respect.  Everyone has secrets, be it your financial status, what kind of porn you're into, or the mean things you text your friends about your mother in law.  

Additionally I would remind them of the immense security risk this poses.  If the government records everything you do online they're recording when you log into your bank account & other important things and you can be damn sure they're not bulletproof security-wise.  Would a database of all bank account numbers in America not be the biggest target imaginable?  How often do you hear about government officials getting hacked?  What incentive is there for an employee to not snag that database, sell it on the black market, and fuck off to a beach somewhere for the rest of their life?  Do you really feel safe putting your livelihood in the hands of people who think we should ""see about shutting the internet down in some places""?
The important distinction is that a non neutral Internet doesn't need to be taken away.
You've now been reported to Theresa Mao
We need a new sort of distributed internet. Can someone remind me of the sub that is dedicated to that?

edit:https://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/
And 49 of those were Turkey.  Maybe slightly exaggerating, but you have shutting down internet problems, Turkey. 
Think your username *might* have something to do with it? ",2016-12-30 15:31:19