Card firms refuse to accept DLsite's conditional surrender

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The credit card company rejected DLsite's compromise request. It seems that DLsite will either completely surrender like Getchu and delete various "incorrect" works, or it will be completely unable to use Western credit cards. With Getchu's surrender, I am worried that DLsite will do the same.<br>I hope that DLsite will ban American users in the future, just like PIXIV, the Japanese should not be made to suffer from domestic problems in the United States.

>>7967316
The fuck is up with credit card company's anyway? Why have they been policing so much porn content?

i understand this is a serious issue but don't we have too many threads about it already

>>7967347
If all hentai works selling websites are wiped out by credit card companies, then we will have no future.

>>7967316
I sincerely hope that DLsite stops associating with the fiction morality police association. The masks are off, if you try to bend to their whims you wlll be culled like Getchu.

>>7967328
ESG/Woke mind virus
All of these credit companies are owned in part or in majority by blackrock/vangaurd etc who all are forcing ESG policies on it's portfolio companies under threat of not loaning money to them/downgrading their ESG scores.

>>7967328
They are selective in what they police, you can use cards on OF and shit and see people getting their rectums blown out in 20 felon gangbangs, but if you like seeing 2d futa girls it's a big no no. Very strange.

>>7967316
The tone from that notice seems pretty clear to me, they won't remove any of their works/go the DMM/Fanza route at worst if push comes to shove

>>7967479
This is 100% correct. Kishida let BlackCock take root in Japan this year and they are already trying to implement their ESG scores within Japanese companies. They literally have more money than most first world countries and are more than happy to sink hundreds of millions down the drain as long as it keeps pushing their "ideals".

>>7967496
How is this fair
This is literally the oligarchy that ancient Romans and greeks tried to purge many times isn't it?

>>7967568
It's not fair. If you look into how BlackRock came to be this finanical titan it goes back to the 2008 housing crash and recession. They got rich through peoples misery and then "bailed" corporations out, bailed out in this case means keeping them in their pockets. This isn't even tinfoil hat shit, this is publically accessible information and they are open about their ESG schemes, they talk about them openly at various world economic forums. They have admitted many times that if a company has a good ESG score, they get obscene amounts of money gifted to them so even if the products they sell are poor and lose money, the company is still making bank from the BlackRock handouts. How do you think Disney etc can afford to keep release dud after dud for years, Disney aren't stupid if they were losing big bucks they would nip it in the bud and change their MO. Vanguard owns the most stock in Disney followed by BlackRock irc.

>>7967624
I'm being serious, take 20 minutes out of your day and look into BlackRock/Vanguards goals.. and then look at what companies they have major stakes in. This is easily accessible and will make you realise how fucked this shit really is.

>>7967328
They want you cooming to onlyfans and twitch streamers and mindgeek porn. You masturbating to foreign artwork hurts their bottom line.

>>7967655
This is actually true in many ways you know. Did you know that cuck/interracial/trans porn is actually a small percentage of overall porn consumed by the public, so rather niche some could say. Yet it is the most heavily produced and pushed over the past 6 years? strange eh?

>>7967496
Kishida is a bit of an idiot but he's not anti loli/sex negative unlike a huge portion of the left (recently invaded by western type feminists) and far-far right in Japan. He had a work relationship with both Taro Yamada and Ken Akamatsu since 2017-19 back when the UN was trying to pass a resolution asking for all member states to ban sexual fictional content with characters that look underage and he basically reiterated the message these 2 and the anime industry had passed him and politely told the UN to fuck off. Legislation wise in Japan any kind of censorship has little chance of passing as long as he is up. I'm actually much more scared if all the stupid scandals the LDP has had lately could lead to a change of government to the Democratic party or for the presidency of the LDP to go to women like Sanae Takaichi (far right) or Seiko Noda (westernized center-left) both candidates in the last election and both of which supported censorship of "unhealthy manga" back in 2010-11. If that were to happen things could truly take a turn for the worse. Pic related is the latter one meeting with the IWF recently, a UK based organization which absolutely despises anything involving loli.

>>7967316 no
Heard about this news. Sad that it’s happening and it’s probably gonna screw over artist on that web website. I get credit card companies wanna do that kind of stuff to stop illegal kind of content being sold but preventing artists from making loli and even futa is low. Think there will be a day where Websites will stop listening to the color hairs and payment cards and continue showing that kind of stuff without any threat of their websites, shutting down?

>>7967704
People can change, especially in regards to politics. Kishida since becoming PM has allowed a large influx of migrants which the Japanese public were against, he also invited BlackRock in. When it comes to politics and money, no one can be trusted. There are hundreds of politicians who have gone back on their previous morals/stances, and that's just over the past 4-5 years lol.

>>7967328
payment processors need to cover their asses in any way possible cuz you dont wanna get caught by any state acussing you of allowing illegal material making money, this includes anything from drugs to "CSAM", anyone itt who talks about esg and shit knows jack shit, this kind of push and pull goes back decades

>>7967328
>>7967479
>>7967496
>>7967486
>>7967655
You're all wrong, the real answer is that they are trying to strong-arm the Japs, their actual goal is to destroy the ticket gate companies
It's why they manufactured the IC-card shortage in Japan btw
It's actually quite interesting that they are keeping their attacks limited to economics, I'm guessing they are afraid of something like RuPay obliterating them overnight if they push too hard, although I'm not super familiar with the CC market so i don't know for sure

>>7967735
Do you honestly think any sane person is going to look at a site that only sells artwork, and believe that they're going to be selling cp too? If that were the case you'd see people unable to do things like buy artwork from galleries, but you don't. People can routinely spend upwards of thousands of dollars buying the most vile disgusting artwork from some pretentious faggot, and not have to worry about their cc telling them 'no'.

>>7967719
>Think there will be a day where Websites will stop listening to the color hairs and payment cards and continue showing that kind of stuff without any threat of their websites, shutting down?

Who do you think encouraged, funded and gave a platform to those people? the whole "sjw" crowd are basically the useful idiots of these corporations, back in 2014 when this really started taking off they could have just ignored them and they would have died out, but they did the opposite.

>>7967734
Well he also has three young male sons and in his entire career has never talked against it or asked for censorship. Seems like the less evil option right now compared to what Japan could get. There are some genuinely openly pro censorship people all over Japanese politics it is not all rosy. Foreign credit card companies acting as moral busybodies is already bad but actual national legislation making things criminal would be a disaster.

>>7967624
Jesus f Christ man. What a blackpill. Can't believe retards will set themselves on fire (essentially dedicating the rest of their life) but won't even take the slightest, legal action against BlackRock for even a day.

>>7967738
>their actual goal is to destroy the ticket gate companies
>It's why they manufactured the IC-card shortage in Japan btw
QRD? Why?

>>7967785
Because if you have to pay for your train ticket with your credit card they get a cut

>>7967316
Can these fuckers just adopt crypto already? Bitcoin, ether, tether, usdc, bnb, anything holy shit

>>7967316
These companies are going to have to get more creative with payment methods.

>>7967783
It is depressing man, when i first read into BlackRock and Vanguard i was down in the dumps for like a week. They are untouchable really, they have their finger in every pie and can bribe anyone. Irc as of 2023, they had approx $15 trillon in assets. Do you know how much money that is?

>>7967880
America is such a pozzed corrupt country. It's actually a little interesting seeing the parallels between America, and the Soviet Union before they absolved.

>>7967316
Blue Archive's publisher office and DLsite's parent company are literally on the same building in Akihabara right to each other, one on floor 11th and the other 12th.

東京都千代田区神田練塀町300番
住友不動産秋葉原駅前ビル12階
東京都千代田区神田練塀町300番
住友不動産秋葉原駅前ビル11階

According to various JP news there are a lot of personal relationships between many of the people at both companies and shared views. I'm hopeful Dlsite will hold the line and leave the cunny alone. That message strongly hints at that.

>>7967316
+1 for keeping us informed but what are they trying to accomplish here with these negotiations? Normie westerns are at their most righteous when it comes to the topic of minors and sex. As far as these credit card companies go your entire site is full of "literal" CP (yes even the JK stuff). You are pure evil to them. They will never concede a single inch to you. DLsite staff needs to get out of their JP bubble and stop wasting time trying to make them understand in good faith. You're not going anywhere.

>>7967328
Also, why now and in unison too?

>>7967479
>>7967496
What exactly does ESG/"wokeness" have to do with wanting to wipe pornography off the internet? Leftists support pornography, right wingers are the ones who don't.

>>7967897
>cunny
Their main target is anything "non-consensual". That's why Patreon made that really dumb rule where your character has to openly say they're consenting. Loli, incest, bestiality, etc are just a side thing

What happened, bros? Everyone used to laugh at soccer moms wanting to ban video games because of "le violence"

>>7968592
This. I can guarantee you it's right wingers who are to blame for this.

>>7968592
>What exactly does ESG/"wokeness" have to do with wanting to wipe pornography off the internet?

Literally nothing,, but they take the shots when they can.

>>7968592
Leftists only support tranny and interracial porn. It's true that right wingers are againts porn but they currently have little to no clout and wouldn't be able to push for this porn ban on the other side of the globe.

>>7968592
You fucking retard ESG is literally abot enforcing the virtues of blackrock. They allow onlyfans interracial porn because it fits their idea of "good" porn.

>>7967316
Why the stupid doomerism OP? You can't compare a loser no spine site like Getchu which isn't even in the top 1000 sites in Japan to fucking DLsite (at 32). You won't even find a single news article on yahoo.co.jp commenting on the Getchu situation. That's how irrelevant they are.

>>7968742
If you care about Galgame (visual novels) and H-anime, you will know why Getchu is important. Although Getchu is not as large as DMM and DLsite, it is a very important website for traditional hentai works. In addition,Some old works are only sold through Getchu. Getchu also specializes in live-action COSPLAY works.Getchu also has some information and intelligence pages that are not available on other websites, which is very important for anime archeology enthusiasts.
You should ask some old otakus before you spout off your nonsense

>>7968742
This is why I compared this bad news to the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas, which you should go to Reddit/Visual Novels

>>7968827
You're decades late. Everything of value still left on there will be posted again somewhere else. Like I said Getchu has pretty much become a non entity in Japan. They are nuking their entire site and it is getting basically zero attention even from the otaku community itself. I swear their CEO must be using this as an excuse to pull the plug on that rotting carcass of a site for good. There isn't any other plausible reason for the retarded shit they are doing.

why are they going after drawings and not girls prostituting themselves over the internet?

>>7967624
It's worse than you realize. Blackrock is an agent of the Federal Reserve, and the Federal Reserve is a private corporation that has the power to print U.S. currency with no audits and no oversight from any government institution. Blackrock is basically just a fingerpuppet for the Fed, and the Fed is an illegal and explicitly unconstitutional parasite that's been sucking America dry for over 100 years.

>>7968625
That's the issue. Too much laughing while the soccer moms of old and their offspring learned new tactics to enforce their dogma on us. Should've been developing new workarounds just in case shit hit the fan but everyone was lazy and the few following the attacks on porn were insulted and ignored.

>>7968978
>not girls prostituting themselves over the internet?
They already did, it's called FOSTA/SESTA. Fucked up a lot of prostitution sites years ago. If you're referring to onlyfans the prudes are attacking them again over claims of hosting cp.

>>7968592
Lmao wut? Lefties hate porn too, they just only like the "appoved" kind. Both left and right hate anything that's 2d/3dcg.

>>7967316
So that's why they still haven't reverted the tags after dropping them. Still trying to negotiate even though they themselves admit is an issue pretty much impossible to resolve...

>>7967704
>I'm actually much more scared if all the stupid scandals the LDP has had lately could lead to a change of government to the Democratic party
If the abysmal double blunder of their handling of the pandemic and botched Olympics weren't enough to even really dent the LDP I seriously doubt they'll get ousted anytime soon.
>or for the presidency of the LDP to go to women like Sanae Takaichi (far right) or Seiko Noda (westernized center-left) both candidates in the last election and both of which supported censorship of "unhealthy manga" back in 2010-11
Considering how much politicians who actually do try to push for censorship (the JCP in particular) get shat on relentlessly over there I doubt anyone in charge would try to make that sort of move. It was easier to push that sentiment back in 2010/2011 but nowadays I dont think any politician trying to stay in power would make the attempt. The JCP having a small group of cultlike followers is the only reason they even still exist. Even the CDP dislikes them.

>>7967496
Good news:
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/investo<wbr>rs-in-japan-drain-4-5-billion-as-th<wbr>ey-exit-esg-funds-1.2029260

>>7967880
>Irc as of 2023, they had approx $15 trillon in assets.
I thought it lost a massive amount (in trillions) back in 2022?

>>7971916
Blackrock can't lose money, they're supplied by the Fed and the Fed has access to infinite money. They print it at will and then double dip by charging the American taxpayers interest for every dollar they just printed for themselves.

>>7967328
Protect themselves legally if they get sued for facilitating “illegal” porn, and because “stolen card” use is common with “illegal” porn so lots of “fraud” claims and chargebacks.

>>7967793
>>7967785
Nonsensical. Most transactions in Japan are done in cash, and tourists can just get IC cards anyways, or you can just grab a pasmo commuter pass (Your phone can also function as an IC card...)
The idea that credit card companies caused global semiconductor shortages and price raising in order to attack ticket gates is fucking retarded.
You're holding a hammer and searching for nails.

>>7967316
I thought DLSite sales dropped for a few days after the cut-off and then went back to normal.

>>7972009
So they're getting away with money laundering? Checks out.

>>7972311

>Most transactions in Japan are done in cash

You lie about literally anything while contradicting yourself to pretend Japan is based and trad

>>7969703
You're so enlightened, dear centrist who totally isn't a fascist

>>7972712
>centrist
What's wrong with that? Prudes are made up of all political/religious sides, one gets to be more prominent than the other depending on where the pendulum currently swings.

everyone calling it leftoid or rightoid shit is a fucking retard. go look up exodus cry. it's a conspiracy tier organization that is trying to ban all porn for stupid christcuck reasons and they are the ones with their fingers in the pie of every credit card processor (several of which have exodus cry members in high ranking positions). thank me later.

I dont buy stuff on sites like these but they could set up bitcoin or credit system on another site and use those credits to buy stuff on another website. Or just sell sfw content and give download link to a patch with nsfw content.<br>Brics countried are planning dollar free payment system so this problem of your might end then.

>>7972712
Imagine unironically calling someone a fascist lol

>>7972710
It's been a known fact for fucking decades you shitwit.
For the metro line, cashless is preferred (so you don't have to wait in line at a terminal to get a ticket printed), but for overall purchases, cash is preferred. This is a known fact that the Japanese government, other governments, all media (mainstream and niche), and statistics admit to. The Koreans and Chinks like to use it to pretend they've advanced.

No motherfucker out there besides you, the dumbest gorilla retard nigger alive, has ever argued that the Japanese don't prefer cash. They do and they always have.

https://www.cashmatters.org/blog/76<wbr>-percent-japans-transactions-use-ca<wbr>sh

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Fi<wbr>nance/Cashless-payments-in-Japan-to<wbr>p-one-third-of-spending

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2<wbr>018/04/11/business/industry-ministr<wbr>y-report-urges-japan-shed-custom-ca<wbr>sh-dependence/

https://biz.ods.co.jp/page.php?pId=<wbr>286#:~:text=%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%8<wbr>1%AF%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C%E3%81%AE%E4%<wbr>B8%AD%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82,%E3%81%93%E<wbr>3%81%A8%E3%82%82%E7%90%86%E7%94%B1%<wbr>E3%81%AE%E3%81%B2%E3%81%A8%E3%81%A4<wbr>%E3%80%82

https://www.businessinsider.jp/post<wbr>-255221

Find me a SINGLE source that claims otherwise, you inbred nigger.

>>7967328
because porn has the biggest charge-back recurrence. Too much people are cancelling payment transactions after jacking off. it has nothing to do with censorship.
a credit card user is able to dispute a payment up to 60 days after the bank sent you the notification of that payment.

>>7972947
Japan has a culture of paying for porn.That's how this industry even exists.
There's no way it's the same case there.

>>7972947
If that was the case then they wouldn't be going after specific tags only

>>7968592
>>7968653
>>7968662
Do you know who owns the banks and stuff?

>>7972967
>>7973115
it's a general policy; porn is bad both for the reputation and the business. Credit card companies are getting more and more pressured by anti-sex trafficking associations and since that field has higher charge back demands, they just drop it. Even onlyfans almost lost its access to credit cards; they have to pay a much higher operating fee than non porn merchants. Same for Pornhub.

>>7972916

No young Jap uses cash you illiterate retard aka Weeb

Because old Japs make up a majority and use cash doesn't mean it's widespread

You can't debate without making shit up or moving the goalpost

Fucking hilarious that you thought this was your moment because you rarely post links yet none of the links agree with you

>>7972898
Imagine being offended by a word that describes you lol

>>7972804
Who knows what's wrong with you being a chicken shit fascist.

>>7967316
They will lose money and customers whatever they do at this point.

>>7974369
except it only describes the people who use it. everyone who goes around screaming fascist this fascist that is an actual fascist who wants to control and censor everything they don't like.

>>7968592
Leftist Funination dropped Interspecies Reviewers. The card companies are also run by leftists.
https://usa.visa.com/visa-everywher<wbr>e/blog/bdp/2019/03/29/visa-shows-su<wbr>pport-1553880375337.html

https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/vis<wbr>ion/who-we-are/pride.html

>>7974402
>Leftist Funination dropped Interspecies Reviewers.
Interspecies Reviewers was a special case.

>>7974405
they lose the CCs, then they lose customers and money... they suck on the CCs dicks, then they lose devs/artists/circles/etc, customers and money.

>>7967316
>I hope that DLsite will ban American users in the future
how will i support the artists then?

>>7974254
Then why doesn't anyone tell DLsite about the Onlyfans thing so they can offer to just pay the higher operating fee too? There's a chance they're not aware of that kind of deal happening.

In patreon's guidelines drawings have to "demonstrate consent" or it's non-consensual lol. And drawings can't consent to SM or anything close to that.

>It is paramount that Adult/18+ creators demonstrate consent in all works (real or animated; photo, video, written, audio) between adult participants or characters; specifically, a freely given, specific, informed and unambiguous indication of consent by a statement or by a clear affirmative action. Additionally, participants and characters must be able to give consent (i.e. not be under the influence of alcohol, drugs, hypnosis, blackmail). “Consensual non-consent” works, in which participants or characters engage in simulated non-consensual encounters, are not permitted. Accompanying a work that features a non-consensual encounter with a statement claiming that the encounter was consensual is a violation of Patreon guidelines.
https://www.patreon.com/policy/guid<wbr>elines

The only way forward is not dealing with foreign payment processors unfortunately.

>>7968592
>Leftists support pornography
Wrong, leftists support tranny porn, traditional heterosexual sex is frowned down upon because muh protect women standards and all that crap.

>>7968592
as far as i can tell both want to destroy it for different stated reasons , neither the right or left are our allies, we are at best "useful idiots" for them.

A few onlyfans content creators are truly popular, much much more than any dev/mangaka on DLsite. Because of that, lot of people went vocal against visa and mastercard to defend Onlyfans. Economically, DLsite is also not important enough; onlyfans had more than $3 billions of revenues, DLsite? only $150 millions. The truth is that visa/mastercard could ban dlsite and would barely notice the effect on its revenues.

>>7967328
they don't want to be associated with porn.
the type of corporate culture things like ESG created is partly to blame, bill ackman directly mentions about how business has a duty to live up to these standards as ESG values are taking hold, when business insider interviewed him about the pornhub purge.
funnily these days bill ackman did a 180 and calls himself the leader of an anti-woke hedgefund after ESG money started to dry up for him.

>>7974919
>they don't want to be associated with porn.
And? The visa/mastercard duopoly that has control over the financial infrastructure of the world shouldn't be allowed this luxury.

>>7974795
That describes the left and the right on every issue. You'd think by now people would realize that there is no such thing as left or right, that all of this is theater meant to keep people distracted, and that what's actually happening is that we're suffering under the leadership of a single entity that wears two masks that pretend to disagree while actually working towards the same goal to avoid taking responsibility for itself.

>>7968592
Left and Right are empty words with no true meaning anyway.
I swear, sometimes it feels and issue becomes left or right by a fucking coin flip, that's how it feels.
But you're right insofar that the traditional right (in the US Republicans, christians etc.) have been against porn forever, and have been pushing for more and more restrictions for decades now.
However, while in the past non-right porn haters existed, it's only in the last few years that an authoritarian progressive ideology developed, the so-called "woke" (which so far is mostly an exonym, but that might change). The woke are big on being anti-western (the only civilaization that doesn't murder them on sight) and anti-male, having brain farts like advocating what's basically muslim dress-codes (women got murdered for defying those) and being generally pro-censorship.
They mostly lack the power to actually push most of their anti-freedom of speech-views, but they're often anti-porn, ESPECIALLY anti-drawn porn and double-ESPECIALLY anti-manga. So they found useful allies here in the conservative right-wingers.
Especially sad that the woke basically devoured liberalism. Progressive liberals, for all their bleeding-heart faults, were generally very anti-censorship and pro-freedom of speech. Wokes are neither. Plenty of those olf Progressives now feel like right-wingers, simply because they refused to give up their views.

>>7976333
On the flip site wokes seem to be generally supportive of RL porn and prostitution.
Maybe because "Woke" is a catch-all term and no formal movement or ideology. By this I mean, those who sympathize with "sex workers" (or whores as we call them) and make this a core issue of them might not be the same as those trying to persecute drawn porn. Groups mostly overlap when it comes to tranny shit (including ruining kids with puberty blockers), multiculturalism and representation.
or they're simply not extremists.

The real answer is they are purposefully trying to remove the usage of credit cards, and merge into crypto currency only. So, they do bad things to make the credit cards look "bad" all leading up to their eventual removal, and re-instating a new digital currency that they control. Credit cards are on the way out. Crypto offers more controls, and less losses on their back end. Money printer doesn't want to co-operate? Who cares? A few clicks/key strokes, and we have everything we need now. The second people stopped backing a currency that was tied to a physical "good" was the start of the "end". It won't stop until everyone bands together to stop blackrock, and the elite that hide behind police, and UN soldiers, so they stop creating literal hell on earth.

>>7972894
Use the 4plebs archive and you can BARELY to ZERO find any discussion about anti-porn conservatives Duster Deevers or organizations like Exodus Cry on /pol/.

These brown as fuck dipshits are hardwired to think conservatives aren't doing anything and when they notice, they cheer for it in spite due to all the shock material they digested down for years.

>>7967854
That's the big solution, the issue is getting people on it and assuring they don't lose their cash over stock crashes

Do people really go through all this to buy some loli content? Its not exactly rare on boroos or pixiv, or obscure imageboards

Leaving money trail seems like awful idea, at any point in the past, let alone present

This sparked something I haven't seen anyone address, how does this affect Comiket 104? I've seen a couple of artists on twitter speak of having their works rejected because of loli and/or objects/outfits associated with under 18 girls like the randesoru. We could be hearing a disaster in a couple of months.

>>7978284
I remember reading an author comment (of a doujinshi) that comiket is putting more restrictions on what can be selled during the event , but nobody were talking about it

>>7978284
I can't find anything about this searching in Japanese. Source?

It's pretty clear by now that there is nothing DLSite can do that won't result in a lost of money, customers and potentially circles/artists.

and aside from the "things that would appease CCs but piss off circles" and "things that would appease circles but piss off CCs" categories.

1) require login to view adult content. Could help appease CCs and moral guardians without pissing off too many people.
>not sure why Japanese companies seemingly hate that one
2) be more careful/mindful about the "using other people arts/assets/musics/etc" part of copyright infringements, that would appease payments processors and quite a few circles.
3) ?

>>7978284
that was only for doujinshi resellers, not at the convention itself

>>7967328
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>>7974394
Except you're a little bitch and a fascist for wanting to eat Palestinian babies, control and censor everyone despite claiming to be against it, getting mad about a word that describes you and crying to the mods to csnsor anyone who laughs at you

>>7979614
but all of that's what you do. you're the kike lover.

>>7979619
>be /pol/tard aka (You)
>give tens of billions in cash to jews every month to kill palestinian babies

>accuses everyone else of being jew lovers

>>7979917
>he thinks /pol/ doesn't vocally support total kike death and are glad to see palestinians kill israelkikes
i can't even imagine being such a tone deaf retard

>>7967328
Ignore the retards who say credit card companies are woke. They're policing porn because Pornhub fucked up a few years ago with keeping childporn on their site. Only Fans almost pivoted away from porn content a few years ago because of pressure from credit card companies. Card companies panicked, basically they don't want to associate with anything that could be illegal.

>>7974536
Mastercard put out similar requirements years ago. Blame porn sites for being so shitty that financial institutions had to keep them in check.

>>7980011
>Pornhub fucked up
They didn't.
It got removed as soon as it got reported, but it took a while to actually get reported.
IIRC the girl was in her teens already, so people likely gave it the benefit of a doubt instead of smashing that report button.
Shit like that happens, but the anti-porn crusaders managed to convince a judge that credit card companies and pornhub are guilty of profitting from child porn (the ads, you see). This is a dangerous reasoning.

Adding to the Credit Card Companies do it because they're woke/right-wing/porn causes financial trouble":
probably all of that. There's likely plenty of neo-progressives and old-style-conservatives in leadership and management positions that only agree that pron is bad, add frequent refunds to this, as well as clueless managers who just want to look good and you have the perfect storm.
The real problems are that they're so powerful and that they're allowed to do this in the first place.

But honestly, why are wokes so bloody obsessed with child porn? Seriously, not even the christards spend so much time screetching (and it's always screetching) about how all anime characters are literal real life babies and you are all pedomobiles and molstors for liking it. "Lewds of Sailor Moon?! But she is 16!!!! SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHH!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH<wbr>! A LITERAL HUMMEN CHILD!"

>>7980448
It's the result of a guilty conscience. They think they can throw people off their scent by pretending to be staunch moralists. In reality, just about every single person who adopted that act got outed for having actual 3dpd cp.

>>7980699
Yes, some prominent figures, but surely not all those jumping on the bandwagon.
It honestly feels like a cultural thing. American are really weird about this, you probably saw some scene in an american movie or cartoon were one character goes "Wow, she's hot!" and some other "Dude, she's 17!" and the first character acts like he just got accidently sucked of by his grandma or something.
This is, frankly, not normal behaviour.
I know that America is culturally hostile to sex in general, but this is kinda new and feels so strange and faked.
The Age of Consent is treated like a literal divine wall that separates toddlers with no sex drive from adults with all the rights. And online it spread to people being hostile to anime and manga, since most characters there tend to be in their teens.
You also get weird shit, like a girl insisting she got groomed as and underaged, she was 24 or so, but described herself as mentally underage, whatever that means.

>>7980762
And that wokes are really rapid about this is especially strange considering the left used to be more sex-positive. I don't think there's some larger goal or conspiracy behind this, it likely has it's origin in the beginnings of what we know as "woke" in the mid 2010s (yes, the term is older, but has lost it's old meanings), which got influenced by Gamergate and MeToo. It's now one of the boxes you have to check to be accepted by the crowd.
Just weird, and so bloody random. And I can't even talk anywhere but here about this, because of the stigma attached to it (oh, you just want to bang children! SCREEEEE!).

>>7980762
I think it's just the culmination of years and years of the media propagandizing shame in those areas. It's no different from how Americans treat race differences, like it somehow makes you a hateful bigot to simply recognize the fact that Asians have different eyelids or that black people can't absorb as much vitamin D naturally. The more they heap the shame on, the less people want to be associated with it, which consistently moves the goalposts away from the reasonable and towards the insane and out of touch with reality.

>>7980429
>It got removed as soon as it got reported, but it took a while to actually get reported.
The videos were on the site for two years and werent taken down until law enforcementgot involved despite multiple requests. That's also not including the fact that pornhub would taunt one of the victims on social media over her child porn.

>>7967738
how do you know about RuPay anon?
Is it growing popular in other countries too?

>>7980699
They're not even guilty, they just think it will immunize them from accusations. There are tons of cases like pic related. It's not like they did it in the past and regretted it so they virtue signal afterwards, they continue to do it until they get caught.

>>7981341
I mean they don't feel guilty, of course they actually are guilty of being child abusers. I'm will to bet all the big finance guys are on epstein's list.

>>7979933
You need to kill yourself instead of eating Palestinian babies.

>>7981341
How much did you Weebs pay this for this retarded false flag

Also using your retarded logic means you're a murderer because murderers breath air lol

So stop breathing air, you hecking murderer

>>7981441
>How much did you Weebs pay this for this retarded false flag
We don't have to pay anyone because it just keeps happening "sister". Why would someone care so fervently about the rights of drawings? They're either huge moralfags or they've got some serious skeletons in their closets.
https://archive ph/U23XK

I think DLsite is deleting 3D loli items. For example, RJ203741, the Mai & Rei video from atelier KOB is no longer available. I purchased it few years ago, and I can still download though. I don't see Petite on the genre list either.

>>7986144
fuck

is it just affecting 3d stuff or is 2d being hit too?

>>7986171
I checked on JP Twitter and it seems like it's mostly realistic to semi-realistic 3D loli that's being affected. At least for now.

>>7986144
>>7986177
god damn it, this may be the beginning of the end for dlsite

>>7986144
>>7986177
>>7986179
Spread the word and let people know that shit's gotten to the point where DLsite is deleting stuff. There's no telling what else they'll delete and which sites will follow suit.

What exactly does Dlsite gain from deleting these 3D items?

>>7986204
Western lawyers or whatever could argue that 3D loli porn with realistic or semi-realistic artstyles are on a similar level to AI generated CP.

>>7967316
>>7967328
>The fuck is up with credit card company's anyway? Why have they been policing so much porn content?
Because kikes are rebranding ESG and DEI into "BRIDGE" and Master Card is one of the partners in this shit.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=U4O5_Oo1-X<wbr>o

>>7986204
This is just me speculating, but I thimk they're maybe still trying to reach a compromise with these Western payment processors and realistic 3DCG loli is somewhat niche enough that they're willing to let it go while still gaining their favor.

But given what's happened with Gumroad and Patreon, that won't be nearly enough to appease the soulless suits that are behind this bullshit.

The fact that DLsite is starting to bend the knee has me real worried that all these storefronts will not be able to survive without these payment options and that they'll be forced to cave into whatever demands these passionless cunts gives them.

This shit cannot be allowed to continue.

>>7986186
this

the fact that dlsite is starting to cave to these dickheads' demands is a bad omen

>>7986249
yeah same, my already bad anxiety's getting worse thanks to all this

I'd archive as much as possible, the purge is inevitable at this point

>>7986144
Confirmed. 3d "realistic" works with possibly "young" characters
https://twitter.com/nanahisako1995/<wbr>status/1785281699808702779
This guy's work got hit for being too "realistic" what the fuck?
https://ci-en.dlsite.com/creator/90<wbr>49

>>7986297
3d modellers getting fucked but they still insist on selling AI trash

>>7974402
Oh hey, it's this retarded schizo again- get out of this board and thread.

>>7986249
And many of those sites cannot survive without content to sell either.
Plus, this is a problem for many artists/circles/devs/etc.

>>7986144
https://twitter.com/atelierkob4/sta<wbr>tus/1785348840461377780
also got hit

>>7986929
>butthurt homosexual malding over 5-day-old posts

>>7987366
>account suspended
Anon, I'm sorry...

>>7967316
Just ban western retards and use a different payment service, there is like a billion region less /anonymous payment services for westerners to use in Japan.

>>7986144
>track down a direct link to it on twatter
>click it
>redirects to homepage
I fucking hate these bastards.

>>7987632
dont they have jcb already for non forgeiners ?

>>7980011
>>7980429
>>7980911
Never heard about that famous video. Who was the girl? Is she a porn actress now? By the way you can find real japanese CP easily on PH back in the days but now they are really paying attention.

No new day without renewed anxiety I guess.
Jesus, one never knows what's next.
Did at least "banning" bongs and murricans from certain pixiv content do anything good for once?

I ran across this yesterday.
This might be at least tangentially related to our plight:
https://theintercept.com/2024/04/27<wbr>/backpage-com-sex-trafficking-qanon<wbr>-conspiracy-moral-panic/
Also, anyone remembers the Adpocalypse in the early 2010s (maybe even 2010, don't remember), when a lot of hentai sites at least temporarily removed loli and sadpanda got created because loli scared of so many advertisers?
This is so much worse now. But things eventually settled and went their way again. The only thing most of us can do is prepare for the worst and hope that things settle down again. Things will never go back as they were, but we might get some normalcy back.

>>7987632
Not that many, especially since the Russo-Ukrainian thing started.
There are also quite few that we should be able to use in theories, but can't for some reasons.

>>7988117
there was issues with NSFW ads being on SFW sites as well.

unrelated, but i how do i download this for free? please help i love kukuru so much

>>7978601
I will add; better policing the use, misuse and non-use of tags.

>>7988358
according to cc companies you aren't allowed to say what the content is

So dlsite and getchu bent the knee. What sites are still there that haven't been affected yet?

>>7988639
Fanza hasn't removed content that I know of. They block foreign IPs and cards, and dropped mastercard a while ago.

>>7988703
They only force you to censor randoseru.

>>7988716
That's only on the product page but yes it's a meme

>>7986214
I told you fags they were going to use stable diffusion against the legality 2D/CG lolisho
I fucking told you

>>7986929
This

>>7987472
Hang yourself and stop sliding discussion, delusional retard.
Conservatives isn't going to protect your porn either.

>>7987632
Okay, the where's the Japanese paypal/bank i could sign up with a robust payment process/transfer where neither BRICS nor BRIDGE coalition can tamper with?

>>7988850
It's not limited to loli, it's if the 3d cg character could be under 18, which means the normal asian female body isn't allowed because "western standards".

>>7988897
Goes regardless, creative expression is dying in the west and soon the east

They killed the loli 3D items, but no sign of any credit card company returning to DLsite. What's the end game then?

>>7988878
>Conservatives isn't going to protect your porn either.
This. He'd better pray the boot doesn't snap his neck after it snaps ours.

>>7974536
>All porn must have omake
I see no issue with this.

Cant they separate "problematic" content onto another site?<br>Gifcat did the same when they sold the site. Buyer didnt want porn so they moved into another site, Redgifs.

>>7988878
>transvestite replying to itself out of sheer asshurt

>>7974402

>>7989203
>moved into another site
Yes because four chan is different from four channel
Oh wait they merged into one now despite their pathetic attempt to please (((advertisers)))

>>7967738
>RuPay
kek I wouldn't be surprised
Thanks to UPI, credit card use has crashed in India over the past decade, banks are literally calling customers and begging them to take credit cards.

There's apparently been talks about introducing such a system in Japan as well, which would eliminate another lucrative market for credit card companies.
Wouldn't be surprised if this is a reactionary move to flex their power (but it's highly likely to just push the govt into making their own domestic payment system).

>>7989203
They could make a dent into the content by getting "Loli" and "Rape" as terms to be blocked.

The problem starts coming in when you have to start applying the west's pretty standardized 18+ rules to years worth of content where age 13 was the age of consent and age 20 is when you were considered an adult. The schoolgirl going on compensated dates with old men, the cheeky artist drawing the 17 year old getting her top pulled off by a mischievous friend, the heartwarming story of how a boy and his tomboy girlfriend grew closer and started fucking in middle school and now they're looking back at an old picture remembering those times. Oh and the MILF fucking her daughter's boyfriend, but the only tags on the work are NTR MILF and Schoolgirl Uniform (which the mature lady is wearing her daughter's outfit.)

It's doable but not very practical.

>>7972733
Current local models are not good enough to sustain fap material forever, so nah. I'm a proompter addict myself but if we stay on same shitty local crap for years it's gonna be awful.

>>7991240
>They could make a dent into the content by getting "Loli" and "Rape" as terms to be blocked.
What? This already happened. It wasn't enough apparently.

>>7991296
Also the 60 "banned" words covers the majority of content on the site.

>>7968592
Leftists only support gay coded porn. Just look at this most recent event surrounded that new video game with a sexy female lead.

Leftists are incredibly puritanical under the guise of progressiveness. Think of it like how the republicans use to be very progressive but now are the conservative party. Same shit is happening to the left.

It will be the standard leftist position in 20 years that all porn is wrong and exploitative and should be banned because only incels jack off anyways.
>>7974434
>was a special case
And is that not applicable to everything the left deems unsavory in porn such as high school girls, loli, rape ect ect.

>>7980011
Why the fuck would a credit card give a shit, they're not legally responsible for anything. Pornhub might get in trouble, the credit cards they processed are completely safe though. Bullshit excuse.

>>7991799
With Interspecies Reviewers, they did their researches, unlike with Redo of Healer and the like, but the source was tame in comparisons to the adaptation, they didn't know the adaptation would pretty much be porn until it started airing, hence "special case".

>>7988965
guessing almost everything the CCs are asking is also pretty much everything DLSite refuse to do.

>>7988572
Yeah, sure...

>>7991815
>they're not legally responsible for anything.
Are you forgetting SESTA-FOSTA and MasterCard sponsorship with BRIDGE (neo-ESG)?

>>7991296
>>7991306

Banned words are a starting point, but as I said: It's not a magic bullet for sorting out content that goes back all the way to 1996 (the earliest product search results I'm getting are 2002)

Japanese Otaku gaming and anime culture has always been ignored or had special exceptions carved out whenever addressing real life issues when it comes to sexual depictions of minors. Aside from the blatantly obvious 1000 year old loli dragon and schoolgirl uniforms, so many characters just do not hit that magic number of 18 that the credit card companies will want.

>>7992273
>so many characters just do not hit that magic number of 18
drawings aren't people and don't have an age so this is impossible in the first place

>>7992280
I'm not the one you have to convince of that.

Even so you have to argue against the official Japanese profiles that go out of their way to give a character a Birthday, Age, Height, Blood Type, and Bust/Waist/Hip measurements.

>>7992303
>character age stated as under 18
This has been against the rules for commercial porn games for a long time.

None of the banned words have to do with age anyway, it's all noncon/incest related.

>>7967328
Starts with J and ends with EW, of course

>>7967328
because (((they))) only want you consuming pornography created by their own kind

>>7991240
the age consent was never 13 it was always a reddit meme

>>7988342
anime-sharing and hentai-sharing had this game (and probably still have, I didn't bother to check the links)

>>7993203
If the links are dead/premium locked, asking in the right thread probably can get a kind anon attention to dump the game. Better check high and low first.

>>7992365
>>7992423
You can say it's Bill Ackman and AIPAC-backed conservatard plants, you dingus.

Get straight to the point instead of acting like a thread-derailing shill.

>>7993946
Ackman is a lifelong democrat donor, you absolute coping leftist retard.

I think it's time to start thinking about alternative payment methods. Credit Card Companies, PayPal, Apple/GooglePay have been censoring for some retarded puritan values for too long. It's not only about pornography, PayPal doesn't allow the sale of firearms too.
What exactly are the alternatives?
>Direct Bank Transfers
Too slow. Maybe sites like DLsite could allow buying credits but it's a shitty option
>Crypto
Would would theoretically, but won't unless there is mass adoption and a way to directly send crypto with your bank account
Is there really no way to conveniently send money from A to B without the permission of private companies?

>>7995368
Japan could take another whack at getting adoption of the JCB card into western markets, but that is unlikely to happen.

>>7995602
>we are considering mailing cash to Japan to buy hentai
The absolute state of credit card companies

>>7991852
>With Interspecies Reviewers, they did their researches, unlike with Redo of Healer and the like, but the source was tame in comparisons to the adaptation, they didn't know the adaptation would pretty much be porn until it started airing, hence "special case".

Pretty much. Funi had no issues dubbing the entirety of stuff like Valkyrie Drive, which they assumed IR would remain at around the same lewd level of until it eventually broke into softcore hentai territory.

And in Europe the (sort of) Supreme Court just ruled that data retention for the sake of persecuting copyright infringement is ok.
After years of standing against any data retention excpet in case of suspected serious crimes. All this while chat control is still being discussed.
And in Europe we have EU politicians advocating a ban of VPNs, which would put the EU in the same respectable category as Uganda, China and North Korea.
The EU is becoming a nuisance, a tool for unelected technocrats to live out their cotrol fetishes. If anyone complains they just shrug and say "well, EU wants to (even if I actually helped to pass that regulation, harr harr)".
Somewhat related, since Europe's desire to control and regulate their people is worse than the US' , including porn access (the secret services collect data in the States, but they rarely do much with it).
Maybe Biden should drone bomb the EU Commission, we are being oppressed.

>>7995550
don't they just need to allow foreigners to open JCB accounts?

>>7996216
I believe that was what they attempted, but no one wanted to get in on it or so they say. Betting money on Visa, Mastercard, and Amex forcing them out when they were getting traction.

>>7996216
They got cards in all the other asians markets and
only 2 in non asains countries. Bahrain and Pakistan of all places.

>>7988342
Can't find v1.07, so here it is v1.06

[230612][金色のモンドセレクション] ピオ系魔ファーG [v23.06.15 (v1.06)]
https://litter.catbox.moe/yqk12w.7z<wbr>

>>7994345
Where did i say he wasn't? Can conservatards read? Kek

>>7996437
Anon still believes left vs right has any meaning. He probably doesn't know congress is going to pass the HR6090 bill and all the porn hating congresmen, lefties and (mostly) conservatives, are bipartisan over it.

What can I do to help protect the porn I hold so dearly? I want porn makers like my patreon artists and animators to not have to wagecuck at amazon, I want to keep them drawing.

>>7996238
>only 2 in non asains countries. Bahrain and Pakistan
Asians need to say India isn't part of Asia

>>7996084
I honestly have no idea whom to vote for.
At least for the EU parliament I can vote for the Pirate Party, they are against all of this crap.
But in my country? Only parties I distrust or outright hate.
They all come with a huge chunk of poison. And I can't say it's the same with the US, but it's simply not, except maybe for extremists.
No idea how likely a ban on VPNs actually is, but that it's even being discussed scares me on a primal level. Those morons have no idea what they're doing or are outright malevolent and the EU's the idea of privacy is getting closer and closer to China's. A lot of Euros love to sneer at America, but frankly, you will be still standing when we are burned down and forever in ruins.
The US has flaws, but it seems to be more resilient and works better in the LONG run than any european country, let alone the EU.

>>7996793
PayPal was the first to quit.

>>7998034
the Left-Right line has become very blurry in the past 2 decades and might as well not even be there.

>>8002802
At this point its pretty much there just to distract us from the real motherfuckers that are making things ALOT harder than it should be.

>>7996878
As far as the individuals go: Pay for the basic tier of whatever patreon/fanbox or whatever donation site they have available, or subscribe to their Youtube/Twitch live streams where they draw live.

Japanese minimum wage is 1004 yen ($6.48) hourly and assuming an 40 hour work week 4 weeks a month that comes out to 160,640 yen ($1038) so they need to at least make that much over the course of a month. Your $5 a month (minus platform fees) is still $5 less they don't have to try and make elsewhere flipping burgers, stocking shelves, or answering phones. Commissions obviously help as well, but 160 people donating 1000 yen a month to pay for groceries, rent, and electricity is a bit easier to work with. Especially if it's only marked as "Supporting the artist for the month" and not "Drawing tiddies"

So what was the point of dlsite removing 3D loli works if they still don't have access to visa/mastercard? Were they being threatened with a court summon? If its legal issues then those who were attempting that are still going to try against 2D loli.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docke<wbr>t/67633706/book-people-inc-v-wong/

Texas tried to get graphic novels banned but is currently traveling up the courts. Oddly enough today (May 8th) is the next hearing date.

>>8003152
This is more about what books are allowed in schools from what I've skimmed through but I have major concerns about this spilling into a ban on what bookstores, amazon and other states are allowed to sell as many should be aware by now that the evangelical conservatives have revived their goal to ban all erotic media in america.

>>7995988
>advocating a ban of VPNs
Out of the loop with this, outright making it illegal?
I'm in Russia and even here they don't advocate for making it illegal (yet). For now they're implementing a lot of somewhat competent but avoidable blocks. Shit like this take quite a lot of time and infrastructure though and I'm not sure if EU will be able to implement this.

>>7980011
>they don't want to associate with anything that could be illegal.
Buying booze in saudi arabia is illegal and yet I can use Visa/Mastercard to buy beer in Japan/US/Europe. The truth is that they want to control more and tighten more on what they already control.
Japan and East Asia is still mostly out of control to begin with and they cant accept that
You will drive within city limits, you will be a peasant renter, you will only watch corporate/government approved media, and so on and so forth.
It's disgusting and I think now is a time to begin seriously hoarding whatever can be censored in the future.

>>8003152
Goddamn fucking Texas
Can't defend the border but they can definitely ban manga because how dare the main girl be attractive.

>>8003553
>Can't defend the border but they can definitely ban manga because how dare the main girl be attractive.

Its more they shame you into thinking touching yourself makes baby Jesus cry

I think we need an independant token system, free of nationality. The tokens will cost various amounts, and can only be used to purchase SFW things, so shouldn't be at risk. They can be directly exchanged back to currency. They can also be used to purchase another type of token, which cannot be purchased directly with cash, and this can be used to purchase NSFW things. The tokens should be useable by any willing vendor, where the only limitation should be the law, not what other intermediaries, like VISA, Mastercard, or BlackRock desire.

You used to be able to buy DLSite points with paypal, what happened with that?

>>8004019
Went from buy anything, to only buy points on the SFW side, to DL Pay only.
Guess the shared points thing was an issue.

>>8002991
Throwing pasta at the wall and see what stick

>>8004019
Why not just say what you mean and say crypto

Now it's Niconico's turn to cut VISA payments
even non-porn sites are affected
https://x.com/nico_nico_talk/status<wbr>/1788540357128655253

>>8005555
American credit card companies accept nothing less but total submission. Will they win? Who knows.

>>8005621
There are no winners here. It's a lose-lose-lose situation. The only "wins" are the supposed moral superiority of a few loudmouths, which is nothing but their own imagination.

>>8005555
But why? No, seriously. That site only hosts ancient meme vids and boring seiyuu radios

>>7967316
Are Americans banned from Pixiv?

>>8005555
yo wtf its not even an adult site. they're just targeting any kind of japanese site now? whats next, abema? isnt this shit illegal?

>>8003152
It's May 10th, what's the update?

>>8007219
it has plenty of R-18 content though, and probably enough of the """objectionable""" content

>>8007307
It doesn't look like anyone uploaded the proceedings (it costs money to get the document,) but the reply was.

>>8007428
Looking closer it seems to be some procedural bullshit but it was funny seeing something was scheduled. One of the sides (Texas or the Bookseller's Association) would have been doing press releases about going to the supreme court if something big happened.

>>8007309
There is no explicit content allowed on niconico. It's only softcore R-15 like camwhore showing her bra or gravure, or MMD without nipples or anything.

>>8005555
>room temp IQs that can't read subtext
Niconico is cutting Visa/Mastercard so that they doesn't get any money from them, retard.

If the credit card companies are going to antagonize your fellow companies, why the fuck would you keep accepting payments through them? Visa/MC takes a cut every single time somebody buys a membership through them. If you stop accepting them, they don't have leverage anymore. They can't hold terms over your head at the business table if you've left the fucking building.

>>7978601
>2) be more careful/mindful about the "using other people arts/assets/musics/etc" part of copyright infringements, that would appease payments processors and quite a few circles.

Directly using assets was never the problem or issue. You're confusing independent, pornographic derivative works (Which qualify as parody for the most part in the US, and are a grey area for Japan depending on the license holder) with "I have stolen your PNG and put it into my game", which isn't defended...anywhere on the planet.

>Because old Japs make up a majority and use cash doesn't mean it's widespread
The majority of the country using something doesn't make it widespread. Got it, keep moving those goalposts, I can still smell the shit on your breath.

>>8007520
well sure, if you can afford to lose a sizable chunk of your income

>>8007520
>Mastercard
NicoNico got rid of Mastercard a while ago.

They removed American Express in March, and Mastercard last November.

The fact that the times are disconnected, and that NicoNico isn't really regarded as a pornography site (as anon above noted, R18 content is prohibited), does seem to point to the idea that they did this of their own accord rather than waiting for threats from the payment processors.

>>8007056
Damn, you're right. Does the censorship go away if you change your region, or do I just need to make a new account?

>>7967316
dlsite.com/aix now just redirects me to dlsite.com/home
I.e.AIslop is inaccessible (for non-Japanese IPs?)

>>8007547
IIRC some of these sites operate where you're charged on the first of the month no matter when you signed up. I could see where people signing up on the 30th and then getting double charged would also cause annoyance with the fraud department.

>>8007744
yeah, Ai generated works redirect to home. this is seriously getting fucking ridiculous.

>>8007768
>>8007744
went to check on a work by lemon h games and now i can see why i can't find it. god I fucking hate these credit card clowns thinking people aren't going to find away around this shit.

>>8007744
Anyone have a work around for this?

The anon who keeps going on about conservatives is half right, however it is not just a conservative thing. Don't get it twisted, the democrats/labour in the UK etc are all on board with this too. This is globalism, i know the term sounds stupid because of retards like Alex Jones but it's an actual thing. Visa/Mastercard and many other payment processors are members of an organisation called "Council For Inclusive Capitalism" they are indeed allied with the Vatican, but also left wing organisations and investment firms like Blackrock and Vanguard. The name makes you think it is some right wing thing, but it's pretty much balls deep in DEI and what not. Look up the site if you don't believe me, this is globalism my guys. Don't be taken in by the left/right bullshit, it's all a pantomime, both "sides" have the same end goals and take money from the same people, it's the same product in different packaging.

Oh yeah, and the Rothschilds are involved too.. lol.

https://www.inclusivecapitalism.com<wbr>/about/

>>8007528
>Directly using assets was never the problem or issue. You're confusing independent, pornographic derivative works (Which qualify as parody for the most part in the US, and are a grey area for Japan depending on the license holder) with "I have stolen your PNG and put it into my game", which isn't defended...anywhere on the planet.
You might actually be surprised, hell, it's one of the issues people have with AI generated stuff, and many games companies are more likely to be annoyed by the use of their assets than their franchises.

>>8007744
I kinda have the same question.

>>8008064
what i dont get is for last 4 years we could get any hentai from amazon.co.jp it was great. pillows, holes, magazines, collectors editions, creative works, then suddenly it was hidden. in those 4 years nobody got hurt, no crime was committed but it was taken from us anyway.

>>8010102
You have to view it from the Japanese mindset. Its much less of a pain in the ass to IP ban the gaijin from accessing the product, than it is to argue with the payment processors. Remember that it is only fairly recently that some eroge companies direct site links were finally unblocked by the great Japanese firewall allowing us to access them. I only hope that they don't follow Jap amazon's lead and regress us back a decade.

>>8007744
nta, but would still like to know if it block non Japanese IPs or just gone?

>>8007744
Exceedingly based. Reminder that half the reason we're in this mess was thanks to all the chink fucking shit AI CP slop.

>>8010987
I pay for a VPN but don't have it set up right now and I'm lazy. Instead, I'll let you know that I had a partial AI work favorited that apparently has been moved to the AI section in the past 48 hours and therefore now redirects me to home when I go to the product page, but it still shows up in my favorites. I added it to the cart from there and purchased it and it went through. I just now downloaded it. So I'm guessing it's all still there. In fact, and I tested this, even if you don't have something favorited, if you know the code, change /work/ to /cart/ in the product page link and it'll add it to your cart, lmao. I just did this with Lemon H Games 援助妊娠學園 (RJ01079745) that I had favorited before and removed after rethinking it later postnut but had it still in my browser history that I never clear. Hope this helps.

>>7967316
The next holocaust will be commited by coomers.
This time around it won’t be a hoax and they will finish the job.

>>7972009
Plus they are connected to Rothschilds and their banks worldwide.
Only real option is to literally murder them.

>>8011104
>RJ01079745
Oh hey, can you upload that .zip somewhere (that is not mega)? I think it's a good time to update https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/392733<wbr>1 and I'd like to do that with an official untouched .zip from DLsite rather than use repacks from A-S etc.

>>7974367
Shut up you redditspacing cancer.
Joey the Anime Man who is Japanese has stated multiple times on Trash Taste that Japs use Cash everywhere because few stores accept credit cards.
Also ATMs are not used that much because you have to pay ATM tax every time you use them which is bullshit.

>>8008064
Project 2025 is what the conservative side is selling for their anti-porn monitoring campaign promises. (All porn bad, public health crisis that people are masturbating, stop teaching about contraception because sex should have consequences.) The liberal goals of removing non-consensual content >>7968618 is easy to agree with because it removes any availability of porn, which is the overall conservative goal.

Japanese content is being disproportionately affected because from a legal standpoint they have exceptions for drawn characters as long as they still follow the other censorship rules (mosaic censored genitalia)

>>8011905
Agree that this is bipartisan, and more palatable to liberals, disagree that it's only about consent. Feminism, despite the no-true-scotsman egalitarian shit many feminists espouse, has been de facto anti-male for decades now and demonizing primarily heterosexual male sexuality so any content that straight men like is haram to them now. Just look how many people care that you sexually harass men in otome games that are on both Sony and Nintendo consoles. In Tokimemo Girl's Side on the Switch (and previously on the DS), you can play touching minigames that make them moan and say really suggestive shit. Women love this and giggle about chaining these guys up in their sex dungeons. Go check out any place these girls hang out online. The games also let you marry your teacher and presumably have his babies. You're probably 16 at the start of the game but you can touch older men sexually anyway. You don't get a confession or kiss until you graduate, though. In my opinion, this is all great, I'm not knocking it at all. But it's absolutely a double standard that you can have this kind of content for straight women but as soon as you try to bring over Fire Emblem Fates you have to gut out the just as tame/lewd (depending on how prude you are) touching minigame as what TMGS has, because then straight guys would be equally able to enjoy sexy fanservice. Can't have that. It's why Senran Kagura games are dead too, Sony of Commiefornia wouldn't allow anything so sexually suggestive in JP games because they want people to play western shit with ugly women and gratuitous gay scenes instead. If they weren't clearly trying to piss on straight men, they could just go make games for gay men, but instead gay men have fuck all to play. Same with lesbians. Instead of making content for people they like, they target people they don't like and try to shit it up for them. Probably the reason almost all of my collection is hentai for straight men despite also liking dudes.

>>8012322
>Probably the reason almost all of my collection is hentai for straight men despite also liking dudes.
Are you a woman!? Impossible! I have been taught my entire life there are little to no women in the internet. And that no actual woman ever goes to 4chan!

>>8008064
>>8011905
>>8012322
Here's also something I wish more people might want to think about and consider:

Companies, publishers, developers, IP holders and Estates that hold the rights of certain IPs or media. Can basically sumbong (tattletale or report in Filipino, sorry I wanted to bring that up) to the mods or admins of Patreon, Gumroad and Skeb AND the payment processors of "problematic" R34 artists making porn of their IPs and properties as potential sexual crimes bullshit? I do remember the root cause of the clampdown by the payment processor originated 2 or 3 years ago when OnlyFans and Pornhub hosted Cheese Pizza and actual videos of sexual violence and rapes, which then caused PayPal, Mastercard and Visa (the payment processors) to bail out of OnlyFans and or Pornhub for not wanting to be associated with actual sex crimes. To which then OnlyFans and Pornhub had to readjust their policies and try being more "safe for work" to appease the payment processors and also not get legally assfucked by Federal Law.

This then caused Patreon, Skeb, Pixiv, Gumroad and all the other art sites to also revaluate their policies and even tone down how much NSFW and porn they will allow in fear of also having the payment processors bail out on them. So now that turmoil can be utilized by the corpos, publishers and devs and all the IP holders and Estates who are not pleased with the countless amounts of porn of their property and media they own.

>>8014720
And even worse, all that censorship and nsfw crackdowns can be weaponized and utilized by individual normal sfw artists and other independent smaller time creators to target nsfw artists who made porn of their OCs, series and other works. To which they despise and hate because of it.

Because additionally back then, when corpos, publishers and any individual/independent SFW artists or creators see porn and general R34 of their characters, settings and works. They'd request or outright demand the porn and R34 be taken down and deleted or face legal consequences and troubles. Thing is neither the corpos or smaller individual artists who dislike or hate R34 of their OCs and series on the receiving end of some retards or NSFW artists' petty bullshit weren't able to do squat. Simple because there were no existing or technical laws or rules they could use against the nsfw R34 artists or horny retards they despise. Though the corpos and publishers (and maybe even the certain Estates) can use their legions of lawyers and legal teams to issue DMCAs and Cease and Desists against individual nsfw R34 artists in isolated and individual cases. While some individual and independent sfw vanilla artists and creators are rich and wealthy enough to also afford Lawsuits against the nsfw R34 artists they don't like. But even then lawsuits are expensive and the corpos, publishers and other artists avoided it altogether to avoid incurring the Steissand Effect.

But the recent changes spearheaded by the payment processors and even bigger and powerful corpos eliminate the need altogether to do so, though it could certainly go for the kill or add insult injury, on top of all the other damage, both corpos and SFW artists could do.

>>8014721
In other words, it's not only the big giant corpos, publishers, IP holders and Estates you have to worry about. The smaller time individual and independent sfw non-porno artists and creators are joining in and or weaponizing the ongoing NSFW crackdowns. All because some of the individual independent artists and creators out there simply dislike or hate that R34 of their sfw non-porno vanilla OCs and ongoing stories exists and that nsfw artists and horny retards make such things of their work. And back then, sfw vanilla artists and creators had no little to no choice but accept the fact that rule 34 exists and will be made of their OCs and settings. Much to their chagrin, whether they like it or not.

But now these days, thanks to the corpos, publishers and payment processors spearheading the nsfw and porn crackdowns. The seething individual sfw artists and creators can now tattletale to the payment processors, in which this and that nsfw R34 artist has made porn of their vanilla sfw OCs and series and they're possible badmen who harbor and make Cheese Pizza. To which they payment processors will tell the mods and admins of Patreon, Skeb, Pixiv, Gumroad, etc. to then effectively Shadow Ban the nsfw R34 artists, denying them of the payment and profits made from their horny art and commissions. (Because all of this porn purge also serves as Shadow Banning certain individuals, artists and creators that the corpos, publishers and other certain sfw vanilla artists do not like, right)

What a sad timeline we live. Let us pray and wish companies, publishers, sfw vanilla artists and IP holders or estates that hold the rights of certain IPs or media. D not come together to create a new definitive legal law that makes ANY fan made nsfw of copyright material and other IPs now illegal and criminalized because porn and R34 bad.

This might just be tinfoil hat tier conspiracy theory crafting. But think about it, this may or may not be a concerning factor in the future.

>>7967316
Remember to ask consent from fictional characters and your OCs if you want porn and commissions

>>8014959
how does getting written consent from a cartoon character even work? do you have to draw your own character saying that it's fine having fake cartoon pixel sex? what a surreal world we live in

>>8007744
To be fair, it's kind of difficult to defend toddlercon sold one click away from the front page of DLsite.
https://web.archive.org/web/2024051<wbr>0021951/https://www.dlsite.com/aix/<wbr>

>>8014727
I've seen this theory before. I don't know how true it is alone. Another factor maybe. I know there are people out there that think rule 34 is morally wrong on the basis of kids coming across it or being groomed and shit, and there is a heavy push right now for national and state governments to mandate age verification for access to porn. So yeah, there may be a wider "hermeneutics of pedophile suspicion" (instead of gay suspicion) thing going on here at play as well, particularly in America. Every year people get more and more paranoid of kids being molested or groomed online (even just playing video games with a minor is now a red flag to people, or adult men around kids even if he's a father) and take more and more rights away from kids and even teenagers "to keep them safe" and try to take helicopter parenting to insane extremes and even push against other parents that disagree with them, like wanting it to be neglect to let your kids play outside, walk places, and take the bus/train unsupervised. I would hate to be a kid right now, I'm glad I got to use the internet anonymously and unsupervised growing up. Wish I was allowed to leave the house to play with other kids though, the paranoia was real even 20 years ago.

I have been wondering about other possible reasons though, so I appreciate takes like that and the one about payment processor liability. I thought of some others.

One is how much money is being spent on JP media, if there is a financial factor. Are we hemorrhaging some percent of our money because American media is boring as shit right now and JP media is growing in popularity? I can't imagine this, as I still consume far more weebshit than anyone I know, even other weebs. I still hear people talking about Netflix shows and whatever movies are coming out. But a lot of fans of JP media tend to be less outgoing and more reclusive, or they hide their power level so you wouldn't know if they spend thousands per year on weebshit.

>>8015808
Then there is the matter of whether or not we are experiencing birth rate problems or mass death of old people impacting population/demographics. Is there a crisis looming that I'm not aware of and the powers that be are conspiring to try and raise birth rates? Banning abortion, contraception, porn, and sterilization (including transsexuals) would certainly do that just because policies work. Not everyone will go around the law, probably a majority won't. I've definitely seen lots of young people so deathly afraid of environmental fearmongering that they go full antinatalist "how could you birth a child into this world," same thing with COVID doomsday crazies. Even seen young people not wanting to have children with people that took the jab. Japan already has birth rate issues, and many have speculated about waifuism being the issue, so I wonder if Japanese content and things like AI girlfriends and the hypothetical for now AI robot sex dolls that are clearly coming in the future could be scaring them into action there, in addition to the usual "porn bad" or "the sex dolls almost always look too young" concerns most people parrot.

I'm sure there is also an element of "almost all adult men and over half of women consume porn, and if we require ID then anonymity is dead" because people will generally take the path of least resistance (although you can fap without porn or just make/share your own). I don't know if it would be much of an impact since most people already are deanonymized by now. And obviously that sort of thing helps to shame people away from porn for those that have a religious issue with it, or for corrupt politicians it enables blackmail of people that previously could have gotten away with only an IPv4 address.

It's difficult to know which of these are intended and which aren't.

>>8014721
>>8014727
>all that censorship and nsfw crackdowns can be weaponized and utilized by individual normal sfw artists and other independent smaller time creators to target nsfw artists who made porn of their OCs, series and other works
>are joining in and or weaponizing
>The seething individual sfw artists and creators can now tattletale to the payment processors
Any recent examples? Most I've seen are passive-aggressive "don't sexualize my OC!" posts. And isn't NSFW art protected by parody/fair use that barely get (if any) negative repercussions? I doubt the average OC drawthread will be affected given this site's anonymity.

>>7967486
To be fair, futafags should be inconvenienced and disenfranchised at every turn, if not outright exterminated.

>>8015808
The funny thing is that porn, especially Rule 34, is probably one of the more harmless things kids come across.
I dare to say TikTok and Youtub influencers are more dangerous to young minds than porn.
Same with 24/7 connectivity.
The only solution is to kill all children, strerilize everyone and just die out in peace.

>>8024214
Think about it like that. For it all serves as monopolization, Shadow Banning certain individuals, artists and creators. More overreach from big media corpos, publishers and possibly game devs. And a newer form cancel culture, this time with possible support, approval and praise from vanilla-fag artists and Normies who frown upon Rule 34.

And the catalyst and reason why it might happen is because of petty beef and drama between vanilla-fag artists and rule 34 porn artists and Horny Jackoff Art Commissioners.

go back to physical material and sell in cons or circle events or admit crypto,at this rate nsfw its going to become an "fuck the system thing" thing

Paypal was allegedly banned, but how come Im getting more subs than ever on pixiv fanbox?

>>8024434
They can keep doing this shit all they like, but they'll never win this war.
>You can find entire backlogs of H games on torrents and piracy sites.
>There will always people living in Japan that can buy and upload games for people that can't buy them.
>You can find freeware eroge on vndb if you speak JP.
>The AI future will be glorious, for even EOPs will be able to just OCR the games, no patch required, and get accurate translations with whatever degree of localization they ask for and without censorship.
>AI can already be used to generate all the HCGs you will ever want, and it will only continue to improve over time.
>People in the east and west alike will continue to develop and share porn games even if they can't make money from it, just because it's fun.
>People will continue to take and share nudes, videos, and audio of themselves both privately and publicly for any number of reasons.
>Even if outlawed, I'm sure there will be free and paid porn of every type released exclusively on the dankweb to share with other likeminded perverts.
>If the dankweb becomes unsafe to use for some reason, there will be sneakernets instead. It won't just go away.
YOU CAN'T STOP THE SIGNAL, MAL.
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>>8024462
>Paypal was allegedly banned
Only as an option for new users, anyone who paid with PP before the cut-off date got grandfathered in.

>need to be age of consent
>draw loli
>age : 1000 gorilion
>no you can do that
>draw girl in school uniform
>age : 18
>no you can't do that
is it westerner really can't separate fiction and reality?
so if someone make a rape theme doujin and they do bait & switch in the last page, is it still verbotten?
for example they did the usual thing, then make a stupid segment at the end like "lmao its all scripted, its not real"

>>8026982
you WILL fap to old hags only from now on

>>8026995
i do like sexy old hags, but sometime man need variety y know.
what's next? they banned drawing style like tanishi or kawaisaw coz the roastie can't compete/oversexualize?

>>8027010
>tanishi or kawaisaw
smelly and overweight? isn't that exactly like modern women

>>8027037
well, their propotion are different.
you get what i mean right?
first they ask this, then they ask that.
will never end unless you suffer from it.

https://x.com/fantia_jp/status/1792<wbr>811477256343764<br>another one bites the dust

>>8027865
im not a pajeet if you asking
sorry for being filthy esl.

>>8026995
More for the MILF lovers, but most men have a little variety here and there.

>>7967738
>the real answer is that they are trying to strong-arm the Japs

>China is slowly starting shit
>LET'S FUCK OVER ONE OF OUR FEW STRONG ALLIES THERE
What the fuck

Are there alternatives to American credit card companies besides crypto?

>>8031020
>>>8030903
>JCB

>You have to fly to Japan to get it

>>7967316
This is why bitcoin will succeed.

An American group called NCOSE is doing it all with it's failed interipitation of obscenity laws.

>>8017255
vanillacels not being unhinged larping goretroons challenge

>>7967738
This coupled with the fact that Japan is last bastion of art they can't control, or control well. It is the nation people in the west point to as an example when leftist shithole policies ruin american but they are doing well there relatively. To destroy a nation first you must attack the culture. A great way to get in is through porn. Then you inch your way in there. Today it is lolis, hypno and rape, tmrw it is something else. Coupled with the fact that even hentai-anime censors incest to nbr and that japan is increasingly censoring game and allowing in dogshit immigrants and refugees, you can see the writing on the wall. Once culture is eradicated you have total control.

>>8032704
>allowing in dogshit immigrants and refugees
They're passing an immigration control law next month and Turkey made a law arresting their immigrants who overstay their visas there.

>>8024215
Unless you have a large sum of cash and are willing to sue someone in court, I doubt most people/company reps would fuck anyone else over in any way aside from threats. Besides, most of that art is hidden behind private or friends-only Discord servers. I know because I have my own stash of porn parodies and others' OCs I've only shown to around five or so, maybe 10 people and all it does is scratch an itch.