What are some things/aspects of art that no one (including this board) is really honest about?

>>7158296
If you post art online, you're looking for validation.
Also, while art itself isn't a competition, social media very much is. You ARE competing against thousands of other artists for the audience's finite attention.
Most successful artists know this but can't admit it either

>>7158296
pertaining to this board:
>don't actually draw
>haven't drawn in months
>have never drawn consistently more than a few weeks before stopping
>browse /ic/ daily despite all this
>give advice on things I have no knowledge of
>make comments on things I have zero experience with
>project my own shit onto other people out of anger/spite/insecurity
>samefag my own shitty posts with shit like "truth" or "fpbp" to give the illusion of support
>too stupid to realize nobody buys this
classic example of all this, the two posts above me

Why can't we just have fun and share a few laughs?<br>Always with these bait and insults... it's just tiring

>>7158318
your image lacks
>YWNBAW
>SEETHE TRANNY
>DILATE
etc etc

>>7158318
I feel you. It's the price we pay for the freedom to say whatever we want I suppose

>>7158312
Truth and fourth post best post

>>7158312
>don't draw
>give advice
99% of /ic/

>>7158296
Drawing is a miserable, pointless activity and many, especially here, don't actually enjoy doing it.
Even the good, pro artists are fucking emotional wrecks

AI can not be stopped and too many here are still burying their head in the sand about it

>>7158296
>What are some things/aspects of art that no one (including this board) is really honest about?
That most popular artists are hot, even if they're not women.

>>7158296
The fastest way to get "organically" popular is to pay big artists to promote you, or if you're friends with them: suck their cock.

>>7158364
>suck their cock

Has it been confirmed anyone actually has done this?

>>7158346
I should pose with my paintings of goblins and witches? I used to model.

>>7158300
>If you post art online, you're looking for validation.
oh no we can't simply let others enjoy the stuff we make, lets make it about our ego instead. fuck off nigger.

>>7158296
Organic engagement is dead, Social media is a business, it always been, just look at Xitter, so either start paying for ads or focus on making art that you enjoy and fuck the algorithm.

>>7158334
If you are an industry whore you will be replaced
If you have some kind of vision for what you want to do with your art AI is borderline unusable as it's straight up random, and the amount of time spent editing shit out/looking for Loras/finding the correct prompt could be spent better by just honing your skills so you won't have to do this boring shit

>>7158381
>Has it been confirmed anyone actually has done this?
Plenty of famous artists did this when starting out and I don't mean just painters, just look at actresses and pop singers like Madonna.

>>7158406
>THIS
I'm an indie animator, I never worked in the industry nor do I want to, I don't like wageslavery. I messed with AI art recently and it's useless garbage, so I'm back to drawing.

>>7158394
who is this semen demon? she's cute

>>7158300
>If you post art online, you're looking for validation.
What if I enjoy certain subjects and want to talk about them with other people? Like if you wanted to talk about books or music, that's not you looking for validation is it? Artists just communicate visually.

>>7158495
If you communicate with another human, you are just an attention seeker!

>>7158296
Post modern garbage like the banana wall are retarded strawmen used by midwits to pretend they know what they're talking about.

>>7158296
Critique, people will either sugar coat it or be a total crabbing cunt with you without giving any real advice.

>>7158300
this is true
>Most successful artists know this but can't admit it either
this is also true and its why so many of them get butt hurt when people point out how easy it is to engagement with nsfw and suggestive stuff and why its most of what they do. Thats not to say they cant or dont enjoy doing that but its obvious that plays a part when an artist that used to do a variety of things eventually just settles into one

>>7158296
most of the pro artists courses are cash grabbers, especially the anime/fundies ones

>>7158296
A career in the arts is as dependent on your social skills as it is your drawing skills, but too many who are interested in such a career are reclusive introverted goblins, thus why they have such a hard time.

>>7158318
Everyone wants to be funny, but few are original enough to come up with some rehashed quips they've seen elsewhere.

>>7158296
That the only reason AI is an issue is because of digital format and digital media.
Trad physical shit looks better IRL than anything on your phone. You just need the phone and internet because it's too hard to show ppl your shit IRL (unless you're digital only, in which case you're fucked anyway.)

>>7158296
Drawing for improvement as an adult will only make you demoralized.
I can not in good conscience recommend late starters to get into art, at least not seriously

>>7158394
No, that anon was right
Embrace the ego, anon.
I enjoy the positive feeling posting online gives me to the point where I need it.
I constantly hate my own work, likes and comments are the only way I can at least try to avoid this.

>>7158296
Most people are not qualified to give advice.
> food analogies
You don't need to be a chef to know something tastes bad but if I'm going to take advice on how to fix it, I'll listen to a cook with experience rather than some dipshit who only heard about stuff on tiktok.

>>7158296
Social media is not a meritocracy
But some still pretend it is

>>7158637
It's not sustainable, I'm sorry to report.
The only people who make it in art are those that love to draw. I don't mean "love to improve," or "love to get good," or shit like that, I mean Bob Ross style "drawing feels like a drawn out orgasm." If it's not a compulsive urge that you are constantly thinking about and trying to satisfy, you are not going to make it.

There are different copes for this that misguided permabegs use. They lie to themselves in various ways and their subconscious eventually torments them in a variety of ways. You can't lie to yourself forever. Drawing for any reason other than pure orgiastic pleasure in the process is guaranteed to fail, and the longer you create false incentives like clout, "gains," or some pseudo-spiritualistic nonsense, the worse your mental health will get. This is a known phenomena, and it's chiefly why good teachers mentors and succcessful artists all repeat the same question to struggling students: "but do you love to draw?" Usually followed by some sort of near hyperbolic description of what they experience when they draw. "At one with the universe. Complete. Fulfilled. Bliss. Absolute engagement. Timeless. Cessation of thought and ego. Purest pleasure."

Nobody else stands a chance. So many bad incentives, when the only true wisdom is and will always be "you must love the process."

/ic/ is a hobbyist board. Hobbyists are the artists most likely to become mental ill pursuing art because their motives are all wrong to begin with. They will all crash and burn or use AI to bring their generic ideas to life.

Any motive beyond "the love of drawing" is itself just another filter. Some filters take longer to kick in than others. The clout chaser or narcissist can keep at it for decades before the filter finally removes them, but remove them it always does, and always will.

>>7158296
Artists are massive liars in general Tbh

>>7158300
Water is wet, the post.
>Most successful artists know this but can't admit it either
BS. Any serious commercial artist will admit this without a problem. It's only the begs that make excuses in order to cope with their insecurities and failures. Who cares about them.

>>7158296
You learn by looking to solutions to problems. The brain wants to find its own answers, and you retain knowledge better when you've tried to think of the answer FIRST.

We waste faaaaaaaaaaaar too much time watching tutorials and begging for help. You've got to learn to help yourself first.

>>7158296
>What are some things/aspects of art that no one (including this board) is really honest about?
that /ic/ on 4chin is the toilet of online art

>>7158833
Half true, because ten years ago wasn't the case. On the more recent years, yes.

>>7158296
/ic/ would rather random bait tweets that piss them then actually practice

>>7159317
Anon, that's just 4chan in general. /v/ would rather bitch about trannies acting retarded on twitter than play video games, ect.

>>7158296
Every succesful artist steals ideas.

>>7158630
How late is too late? Define "seriously".
Idgaf about being a "pro" in the sense of earning an income, that shit was already near impossible like 5 years ago and is only going to get worse as tech advances. I just want my shit to look good for myself, is it too late for even that?

>>7158495
All human interaction is seeking validation

>>7159269
It's the other way around. 10 years ago we had CA, deviantart wasn't useless, artstation was packed with collaborations and there were online magazines that promoted new talents.

Now all that's left to openly discuss art without polític pundits or hellofresh sponsors dictating what you can say, is this shithole.

>>7158296
You have to figure out yourself how to make things enjoyable otherwise this stuff will wear you down and make you miserable long term, even if you achieve the goals you set yourself

>>7158296
you're trans if you're drawing the opposite sex on daily basis given that there's no balance in your training

>>7158312
you could use all that yourself

>>7160039
No, you're just a porn addict.

Then again..

>>7158411
If you think about it the fast ticket to get a shit ton of followers on IG is literally just copy thots. Make some sexy and appealing characters, take e-thots pics as reference and then profit. I've observed various artists that get a noticable dip in engagement when they post something that isn't a half-naked chick. This works best if you got an appealing style but almost anyone can get some followers w this method.

>>7160003
That is such an odd way of looking at the world. If you said 'Happy Birthday!' to a friend is that you looking for validation? What about when you see something on the news and discuss it with somebody else? What about something like a crossword or a sudoku puzzle? Someone had to make those, are they just trying to make themselves look smart or did they have an interesting idea that they wanted to share with other people?

>>7160100
I’m validating you by responding. You’re validating me by reading. We’re validating each other, anon, and I just can’t get enough!

>>7158567
>most of the pro artists courses are cash grabbers
This isn't exclusive to art either, the vast majority of programming video courses are useless garbage made to get money from naive people that think code = rich.
Learning to program take months, years not a few hours like most video courses.

>>7158588
>A career in the arts is as dependent on your social skills as it is your drawing skills, but too many who are interested in such a career are reclusive introverted goblins
I get where you're coming from but this isn't entirely true, a few famous comic artists were terrible with social skills.
Steve Ditko (the guy that created Spider-Man with Stan Lee) was a famous recluse.

>>7158630
>late starters
Define this, a late starter in Japan is someone in their early 20s while in the west is someone in their late 30s.
The thing is you can find people that started really late and still became pros in both sides of the world.

>>7160039
>you're trans if you're drawing the opposite sex on daily basis
This makes no sense, specially if you're a hentai artist.

>>7160099
You shouldn't just copy e-thots you have to surpass them, do something that isn't possible in real life without VFX.

>>7158664
A lot of truth and wisdom here. Natural artists draw out of compulsion. Outsiders will say they're gonna get serious about drawing, but don't. Artists will say they're gonna quit, but then end up coming back promptly

You don't need to draw the right line or put down the right color or have all the rendering physically accurate. Being confidently wrong is as good as being painstakingly correct

>>7158664
You know what? Fuck you. I've been lying on my bed procrastinating all day, but I'm gonna practice my drawing now just to spite you. I'll create beautiful things, learn how to have a great time doing it, and prove your elitist arse wrong. Go play in traffic.

>>7160604
Lol how is that elitist? It's literally the opposite of artistic elitism. Did they say "you must be x-level at y-skill before you make it. You must grind 10k hours in volumetric shading and 100k hours in perspective before you can like your drawings. Etc. Etc." ?

>>7160604
nta but
You can do both, you can enjoy the process and also draw to spite/1 up people and compete

>>7160214
>I get where you're coming from but this isn't entirely true, a few famous comic artists were terrible with social skills.
True, but there's always exceptions
>Steve Ditko (the guy that created Spider-Man with Stan Lee) was a famous recluse
Actually, Steve was a social guy, and made plenty of Zines and indie comics talking about his point of view on things. He just hated the media and interviews before it became cool. Steve would collaborate with others, and ink their comics and so on (including adult comics apparently) - so I don't think he was as reclusive as his reputation makes him out to be.
Let's not forget that Ditko worked in office environment for the major part of his career, and was social with his co-workers.

>>7158296
making art is really damn hard

>>7158664
>drawing feels like a drawn out orgasm
To me the process of putting pen on paper is more like when you hold an orgasm by clenching your kegels before the actual orgasm (finishing a piece). Am I GMI?

>>7158296
>(including this board)
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

>>7158479
maybe Umi Shinonome?
https://twitter.com/bijokko/status/<wbr>1336997742518751242
idk. A great way to start drawing is to study a figure you like, in any case.

>>7158664
I'm gonna break this one to you gently anon.
"the love of drawing" is another filter for "love" which i hope you still have memories of before drawing provided a mere means of expression.

>>7160604
yeah fuck that guy

>>7160613
it became "elitist" when anon couldn't keep that word "only" out of his naughty whore mouth.

>>7160604
>Fuck you for telling me to find intrinsic value in the process of creation
Now I'm gong to spite you by finding intrinsic value in the process of creation.

What did the schizo mean by this?

>>7158300
I delete my entire account lmao

>>7158296
The biggest truth about "getting good" is that you must have already predisposition or you're never going to improve. Training simply makes your skill come out, if you fucking suck like the majority of people here you're never fucking gonna learn. And this said, even if you're above average most people also limits to their skills, so being somewhat good at drawing doesn't mean you're going to ever reach professional level.
And to close, even reaching professional level doesn't mean you're going to be a professional, because ironically enough being an exceptional artist is not always required to make this your job, and like every fluff-based industry the only things that really count are knowing the right people, being able to read trends and some luck
Nobody will ever accept this, and it's fine

>>7158664
Absolutely agree, recently I recognized how my art got worse and I started to find excuses to avoid drawing since I started to bash my head on trying to make it a job

>>7160315
>Artists will say they're gonna quit, but then end up coming back promptly
I quit drawing multiple times but I always come back. By your logic I'm a real artist that can't give up drawing but in reality I'm broke and I can't afford artists.
Basically art is a means to an end.

>>7160965
>Let's not forget that Ditko worked in office environment for the major part of his career, and was social with his co-workers.
That's not true at all.
>Picrel is relevant
Basically bullpen is a myth created by Stan Lee and Marvel artists worked from home.

>>7161528
Back then Marvel had artists living in Canada and Philippines, but even the American ones sent their art via mail.
I heard a similar story in a Tezuka documentary so it's probably the same in Japan.

>>7161534
Nowadays it's mostly E-mail but in big manga magazines like Shonen Jump, the editor meets the manga artist for manuscript review purposes.

>>7161404
>like every fluff-based industry the only things that really count are knowing the right people, being able to read trends and some luck
Animation is basically this, so many mediocre artists are pro storyboarders.
>Nobody will ever accept this, and it's fine
I accept this.

>>7158318
Literal honest-to-God cope. Brilliant.

>>7158664
Wrong. Only people who aren't serious about the process love it. People who aren't serious about their art feel happy with their mediocrity and suck all the way to the grave.
People who were born to make art are always unhappy about their work, they always pushing themselves to the extreme and hating themselves for being unable to surpass it.
Drawing has to be compulsory, but the orgasm is always denied at the end. All you can do is try again and harder than before.
Drawing sucks, but it's inevitable for me, it's a physical necessity.

>>7161528
>Basically bullpen is a myth created by Stan Lee and Marvel artists worked from home.
Huh, is that so? I've heard stories of Ditko in the office and how he was stand off-ish and how he didn't get along with Stan Lee and such.
But Ditko worked a good while before he went to marvel (at EC I believe, where ever he created 'The Question'), though maybe they also had a work from home policy?

Anyway, my point is that he made connections and interacted with people. He had the social skills despite being reclusive and believing his work should speak for itself.
The issue is so many trying to get into the arts are trying to run away from the social aspects of work, despite it being as important in art jobs, or perhaps even more so.
If you mumble and have a hard time communicating, or pushing back against people, you're going to have a hard time working with your clients.

>>7162007
>at EC I believe
I'm an idiot, I could have just quickly looked it up; it's was Charlton comics.

>>7161889
Post your work. Lets see what le tortured genius has to share with the world.
(He doesnt because he's a fucking no-draw fagot)

>>7158296
if you have no talent, art is just brute forcing until you draw something nice. I never draw anything nice on the first line, I have to explore every permutation of every line one by one until I get something good. So it takes me hours to draw something that would take another person ten minutes.

>>7160100
>That is such an odd way of looking at the world. If you said 'Happy Birthday!' to a friend is that you looking for validation?
yes you fucking mook. how are you on 4chan and you're this unaware?

>>7162007
>so many trying to get into the arts are trying to run away from the social aspects of work, despite it being as important in art jobs, or perhaps even more so.
I agree with you OP but there's a lot of artists nowadays that do the bare minimum of socialization, specially if they're their own boss like the guys on Patreon.
I know a feel that make thousands on Patreon and all their interaction with their fans amount to "what should I draw next? Vote on the poll"
You're probably talking about the industry, I don't remember anymore, sorry anon, but there's workarounds nowadays for the asocial artists.
I do agree that you're generally better off learning to do networking, but the internet is here to save the socially inept guys.
Plenty of Asian artists have negative social skills and they're still pro artists.

>>7162007
>Huh, is that so? I've heard stories of Ditko in the office and how he was stand off-ish and how he didn't get along with Stan Lee and such.
Like I said, it's a myth:
>https://nerdarchy.com/the-fabulous<wbr>-heart-of-the-marvel-comics-bullpen<wbr>/

>>7158664
I try quitting art every time
But i can only hold it for day or two
When i "quit" my body keeps urging me to pick up pencil and draw
When i don't care about improvement or likes my brain keeps forcing me to draw
I cannot resist not drawing despite my skills
I cannot stare at the object and not try to make up an oc out of it
I draw because it became an necessity for me to function

>>7161553
tbf storyboarding is probably the only part of the process aside from writing that doesn't require you to be a good artist

>>7162184
Never implied I'm a genius. My work will always be subpar in my eyes no matter how much I improve, that's the point of my post.
Some of my drawings here >>>/i/780972

>>7158296
first draft always sucks
second draft always sucks
third draft always sucks
all the way down, till it's published.

then, when you finally finish your work, publish it, frame it and display it for the world to see, you will look on it and see a small mistake and realize.
it still sucks.

but its finished.
it's over.
you can't unfinish a finished work.
this is the ultimate "no refunds"
once it's publicly displayed, thats it.
and you will never be content, every time you will see another imperfection, and another.
this is the ultimate aegis against the artist.

perfection

>>7158296
Social media and online services in general are on the decline and if you're only relying on it to make a living then you're making a huge mistake.
Find ways to make money completely detached from it. It's annoying to talk to publishers, employers etc but in a few years the current day social shithole that we know will be gone and everything else will be swarmed by bots and grifters to the point of unusability, driving users away.
The Internet is entering a dark age and you shouldn't rely on it. If you do not notice the downward trend that everything on the Internet is taking then you're clueless. Get off this rotting ship early.

>>7160604
>>7161167
He called (You) out and you're mad about it.

>>7161889
I think you might want to talk to somebody about this. Don't kill yourself.

>>7158300
>If you post art online, you're looking for validation.
what about fetish artists who draw for the coom?

>>7164918
they're the ones especially looking for validation the hardest because the ultimate fate of the fetishist is trying to infect and expose others to their own fetishes so they can feel heckin valid about themselves
Best example; trannies.

>>7164932
As a coom artist I can confirm that this is exactly why I post porn. I love the idea of some young person finding my shit and getting infected by it and needing it and craving it and wasting their life for it just like how I did.
Abuse is a cycle, you must pass it on to achieve internal equilibrium.

>>7158300
>looking for validation
 True, but not if you're old. Once in a while you need a second pair of eyes to see your stuff.

>>7158296
Beginners shouldn't post on social media and artists who say you "shouldn't wait until you're good enough" and should "post stuff now" are making a massive mistake and are misguiding people.
All you'll be doing as a beg posting on Twitter is embarrassing yourself with objectively shit art. Artistic equality is a myth and some art really is better. You'll get demoralized instantly. It's best to stay offline until your work is actually good.
The "two cakes" meme has done so much damage. We really need to stop lying to these people just starting out

>>7158296
If you didn't start drawing a lot as a kid, you should honestly pick a different hobby/path. Most late starters will never get good (with some exceptions) because they will get demoralized far easier. Kids won't care that their work sucks, at least not too much. Adults are far more critical.
People hate hearing this because it's bleak but it's also true. There is absolutely a point where it's too late. At least, too late to become great and forget about becoming a fucking pro.

>>7164288
this pic always hit me hard
This one and the penguin walking towards the mountains

>>7166444
Your art will never be enough for you no matter how great you become, but it will be for someone else, so post it anyway.

>>7158404
just lol if you arent having sex and doing drugs right now

>>7158364
>The fastest way to get "organically" popular is to pay big artists to promote you
Paying for promo might get your name out there fast, but it isn't organic, it's like buying followers with a bot.
Put in the work, grind out quality content, flood the feed with quality works, network with others in your niche on platforms like hydro, its a great way to expand your reach and get paid
It may be a slow burn, but way more sustainable. Don't fall for thepaidhype.


/mmg/ - Manga Making General

Anonymous

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>7139494

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
Making Comics
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/Dd4hnZTC#EjM<wbr>IcTDPLbWXkAJLPHx2Kg
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertM<wbr>cKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-m<wbr>onkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89<wbr>233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ<wbr>9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6<wbr>Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/Habaner<wbr>oScans/videos
Full MANBEN Series link: https://mega.nz/folder/YQYAGJTR#1PA<wbr>s3gRYTMoerPapIZTXGg
https://www.naokiurasawa.com/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk<wbr>IFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

Source of OP image is Love Roma chapter 0.

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.c<wbr>om/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html<wbr>/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages<wbr>/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitiv<wbr>e-list-comic-publisher-submission-g<wbr>uidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-i<wbr>ndependent-comic-book-publishers/

Current Contests:

Zenon Magazine:
https://comic-zenon.com/article/ent<wbr>ry/2023/05/09/132801

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4-koma Contest:
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>>7158672
thanks for posting good resources. I'm slowly starting my first manga. Don't want post stuff till I'm a few chapters in. Feels very exciting to finally work on a project I've put thought into

>>7158672
one page comic for a class zine project, hand inked on a nice big bristol board. it was fun but a little too time consuming if i ever wanna do this in a greater volume. can i get any tips or advice on gaining tempo without getting sloppy?

>>7158672
I noticed Manga Plus wasn't on the OP list. was just looking at their page, it seems pretty decent.
here's one of their manga. (pic related)
I'm also trying something similar by making a musician character.
music is a potentially tricky subject to deal with, in a silent manga.
>>7158862
>can i get any tips or advice on gaining tempo without getting sloppy?
thats pretty easy to read , which is a plus.
you said you used a big bristol board. try a small one . thats what I do.

>>7158419
Thanks anon!
>>7158686
Yeah good luck to you to! well I have to draw 12 pages more in 2 months, and the next mont will be busy with the university final exams so yeah...it's going to be a fun ride. I hope I dont need to rush to achieve it.
>>7158437
Yeah probably will change a bit her face I'm not happy with how I drew it

Got back some of the reader survey results, some pretty encouraging feedback from the japanese readers. One guy even said he wanted to read a sequel!
Apparently there's still the web survey results to check, but I'd be happy just with these responses.

>>7158862
Do it a lot. I don't mean "50 more times", I mean "500 more times, and maybe you'll be getting somewhere".

>>7158967
do you take feedback from japanese readers a bit more to heart, since we're all trying to replicate their culture in some way or another? Like getting these cute little emotes from pixiv? I remember when i was shitpositing on an /a/ thread, and one of my drawings got scraped and posted by a big fan account on twitter, and it got a ton of かわいいs and i rode that high for a while

>>7159002
>do you take feedback from japanese readers a bit more to heart
Not really. I mean, I guess I should since they're the target audience, but I'm just glad to get feedback from anybody at the moment. I haven't really gotten much feedback from the non-japanese who've seen it anyway, beyond "looks good"-type feedback.
Not surprising cos it only hit pirate sites a day or so ago and I'm a literal who.
>since we're all trying to replicate their culture in some way or another?
Not everyone is. I wasn't, for one. I only do right now because japan is my audience.

Last thread i asked about importing settings, and i forgot to say that i also wanted to export in pdf, mostly to post it in 2 pages too and there's 4 options, and i don't wanna go testing because sometimes it crash when export or do the 3d preview binding or the autosaves too,<br>And that would be fine, but the thing is that i'm in borrowed time because i had to paid the csp subscription last month and i didn't had the money so i just haven't close the program yet

>>7159075
Y'know, questions like that are really better answered by just googling it.

>>7158862
As >>7158967 is saying, you just keep doing it. The only way to practice getting good at comic making is to make comics.

Finished my third one shot almost a week ago and it's number 9 on MPC's May monthly awards!

>>7154976
Sorry for the late response but every good creative is insane and a masochist

Is this level of art 'good enough' to make an online comic that people will bother reading?

>>7159670
>every good creative is insane and a masochist
I don't know about that . But maybe a bit autistic

>>7159626
Whats publishing on mangaplus like?

>>7159954
Pretty nice but they are censorship happy

>>7159954
as a manga centered platform its really nice, but the audience usually does not interact very much with you

>>7159979
Is that the name of the manga you're making?

>>7158967
Mail-in survey answers:
> “Girlfriend Until Satisfied!” is the first adult manga in history to receive an honorable mention submission from overseas. Mr. Dingle, the school youth erotic drama that unfolds in the school's literature club room has an interesting excitement. Not only the sexual desire of Mr. Okada and Mr. Fujimori, who have long straight black hair, but also the innocent schoolgirls of Mr. Matsui and Mr. Hanamura, the complex secret technique sex where everyone makes full use of titty fuck was a tremendous pleasure acme furniture.
> "Girlfriend until you're satisfied!" is interesting. The story of his love affair with four women is very interesting.
> The heroines were very attractive. I want you to draw a continuation.
> All the heroines are cute, the setting is good, and Ms. Hanamura, who seems the most plain, is unexpected. I thought there were people who were really looking forward to future works. It's also good to have sex with someone else's help. I enjoyed reading it.
> Mr. Dingle's "Girlfriend Until Satisfied!" was very good. The drawings have a lot of individuality, and I'm looking forward to your next work.
Web survey answers:
> I think it was very good.
> Mr. Dingle's work is at the level of immediate serial publication. If he can mass-produce this level of work, I think he can become an author who can carry the Dreamscape on his back. I am rooting for you and wish you the best of luck.
> It is a fascinating picture and the volume is very large, and the content is also full of scenes that stick in my habit and pull me out (such as a blowjob with a superior eye).... I was disappointed to see the white correction.... I also wanted to see the genital expression (especially penis).... I would love to see it published in book form...! Among the attractive heroines, I think Matsui Chiharu is my personal favorite.... I look forward to seeing more of your work...!

Seems like people liked it! Getting lots of good news this week.

>>7160012
Glad you're getting some pretty high accolades, man. Good job. Looking forward to more as well, and hope this is the start of something big for you.

>>7160012
Congrats mate, glad to see the feedback. Keep it up.

WIP of a panel on page 2 for chapter 4. Probably will tweak the lineart further.

how do you best post comics on twitter? is it better to post pages individually or make a thread? should you post all the page at once or over time?

>>7160695
Whenever I post, I just do it 4 pages at a time, each post done as a comment to the previous one. Its slow, but it gets the job done.

>>7160695
I post one at a time. Seems better, because the creators who update frequently seem to do better.
That being said, I get about 4 likes if I'm really lucky.

>>7160012
I'm so happy for you anon, god bless!

>>7160012
If you don't mind me asking, Mr. Dingle, sir, how did you find your jp editor and how much do you pay him? Does he do anything other than check that the japanese is normal and not too machine-y?

>>7160885
I submitted work to the magazine, and my current editor contacted me through the magazine's twitter.
I don't pay anybody, the publisher pays me (a page rate/royalties) and the editor (a salary). We're coworkers, neither one of us is the boss.
He's an editor, he does everyone a manga editor does. We strategize what genre we're gonna focus on, he critiques the work (mostly the writing though he'll point out things in art he thinks could be added/changed for the better) and also, since I'm not there to do it, represents me to his boss (the editor-in-chief). On top of that manga editors also make the title logos for the works, does the final typesetting (which is where he corrects my dialogue) and various magazine-related stuff.
I don't necessarily have to follow his advice, though I'd be stupid not to.

>>7160012
I love this! CONGRATULATIONS Pornanon!

I have a silly question which is the "correct" size to draw ero-manga for a company using clip studio: A4, B4...or other???

>>7160909
This magazine uses A4 with custom print dimensions. You can just apply with work drawn on a4 or b4, it's fine. They'll send you a template when you work with them.

>>7160914
Thanks man! Can´t wait to see more success to you man!

Cheers! :)

Been working on a zine with a group over the last few months and it's finally 99% ready.<br>My excitement is so high, we already made the second one in advance.

>>7160897
Ah, I should have figured the publisher would have editors, idk why that idea didn't cross my mind. Thanks for the in-depth answer, it's really helpful. Also congratulations!

>>7160943
>zine
what is that? is it like a manga?

>>7158672
is the perspective wrong on purpose?

>>7160987
It's a case of "good enough to get the point across."

TIL about a self-improvement movement in Japan called "Short sleepers" where people practice actively reducing their sleep, until they get used to only sleeping 5 hours a night.

恐ろしい社会ですね。。。

I would like to start a small comic with my oc‘s that I‘d just post on my socials. This is my first idea, so I wonder do you understand what’s going on? Do you have some tips to start such a gag short comic?

>>7161080
there's some good panels here. is this a pure horror story?
>>7161173
>do you understand what’s going on?
I don't know, she is acting like a cat? It's got a nice feel to it. as for gag comics they are usually reliant on a setup, leading to a punchline gag ending. but they don't have to be.
>>7161198
this is interesting.

>>7158862
Interesting how you added gamification to the comic with the build and stats graph. The rest of the work needs more work.

>>7161005
The less hour you sleep the more likely you die from heart disease.

>>7161227
>this a pure horror story?
It's adventure story with horror themes

>>7161232
thanks, the whole focus of this zine was a video game-y 'choose your character' idea so i'm glad that part is obvious
>the rest of the work needs more work
yeah, i'm no /int/ but as long as i keep drawing and have an open mind about what i should improve, i'll get there eventually. what sort of things in particular do you notice, that i can improve relatively quickly with effort?

>>7160970
Small print and self-published work.
In this case, we're trying to release a small one every two weeks with some self-published works, it's been fun!

Do anybody knows how to make good cloudy skies? I haven't found a good screentone in csp assets, and neither a good reference for drawing it in black and white, so if anybody has some good reference, or some manga guide on backgrounds it will much appreciated

>>7162380
I don't know if there's really any wrong way to draw clouds. It's more an opportunity to be creative.

What do I need to know to make stories like Jiro Taniguchi and Makoto Shinkai? I'm not interested in fantasy or battle shonen stories, but I find it very difficult to write about everyday stories and romance, as I have no experience IRL, all my reference is for movies and slice of life manga. I want to write mature, almost cinematic stories, something that can easily be adapted into a movie like Jiro Taniguchi's stories. As much as I have a large repertoire of references, I can't write

>>7162380
A lot of artists will use a cloud texture brush tool and spam it as often or as little as needed, and then do some subtle screentones to denote volume/shading. It's as shrimple as that. Like how for dense foilage they might just use a leaf/tree brush tool and spam that in the background.

>>7162537
>very difficult to write about everyday stories and romance, as I have no experience IRL
>very difficult to write about everyday stories

Anon, what? Every single day you exist and live your life is its own self contained "everyday story." How are you defining that term that it's drastically different from slice-of-life? The whole point is that you're portraying people going about their daily lives.

>>7162537
If you have to ask then you're not qualified.

>>7162540
How can I write about romance credibly if I've never had a romance experience IRL?

>>7162550
write it anyway / watch romcoms

>>7162550
Romance isn't the only part of slice of life, anon, there's literally everything else. But if you're super adamant regarding the romance angle, then the next-best substitute (not that it's super great, mind you, but it's what's there) is to simply watch or read famous media that deal with romance (both as the major point and as a subplot). Literally read and watch as much as you're willing to. You will see what the characters do or feel at certain points and you'll at least be able to mimic those points.

Again, this substitute ain't great, but it's what you're left with at this specific point in time.

>>7162550
>>7162537
Why are you asking this on/mmg/? Ask it on stupid questions or /lit/.

>>7162524
I meant more like darker clouds, like stormy clouds, those are like harder to get them right

>>7162539
I get the idea, but that's why i asked for some reference, what i want is be able to differentiate several clouds shapes without making a dark blot

miscalculated the page count on my draft and the two-page spread was on a page flip. I guess that's what rough drafts and names are for

>>7162658
Yeah, I just added a filler page before the two-page and it seems to work. It was under the page limit so there's no problem

>>7162570
you sound like the baka here, honestly.
anyway this is some good advice here >>7162552

>>7162550
Ignore what others have said here and just take inspiration from romcoms. They're speaking as if romance slice of life fiction is even remotely similar to real life.
Either that or just make it up. Most people aren't going to care as long as it goes the direction they want it to and is satisfying to read.

Does anyone have advice for creating and redrawing interiors of rooms that are going to be used multiple times?

>>7162777
What is specifically the problem?

>>7162777
you can try drawing backgrounds on a bigger highres canvas, and then choosing different zoomed in dections as backgrounds so it's not obvious that it's copy and pasted
if you don't have enough this to do, you can learn blender. it's fairly easy to block things out like a bedroom with simple objects in blender, do a quick render in perspective, and just add details manually
or best advice is you can just copy paste backgrounds. it's not that big of a deal. stuff like sayonara eri works because all the panels are the same aspect ratio since it's supposed to be filmed / cinematic and the back is supposed to be stationary, but if you're doing normal dynamic panels, mix up panels with rendered backgrounds with just plain gradients, dot patterns for stuff like closeups or actions scenes. if you mix it up, it's not as obvious.

>>7163148
Wow this looks like shit
What a waste of a page

>>7163148
While I agree with the concept of what you're saying, I also have to agree with >>7163402 somewhat - that page feels like what the mangaka was trying to do didnt quite translate. The man's facial expressions are a bit too subtle and if a reader were to look at the panels at the usual pace an average reader does, the four panels blend into the same pic. There is no intrinsically "wrong" way to depict a series of events provided that the reader gets what happened, but there sometimes are certainly much better ways.

>>7163148
>>7163402
Fujimoto is such a fag

>>7161005
How do they do it?
I'd like to reduce my sleep hours too.
I tried to sleep for only 3-4 hours a day last March.
Unfortunately, it didn't work out for me.
My current fulltime job makes me only able to draw during weekends.

>>7163478
Fulltime as in what?
I have a fulltime job and have time to draw afterward every day.

>>7163478
>How do they do it?
Its called they die earlier.

Oneshot script: done <br>thumbnail draft: done

>>7162777
install the sims 4, build the place, and take some screenshots

>>7159724
Yes they can be autistic but hone that autism
You need to basically hone your art form to an insane level so that everyone thinks you're a madman, where everyone is telling you to give up or slow down for your health but you don't

Asking for cloudy skies again, now posting a picture of what i mean here>>7162380

>>7163549
>Fulltime as in what?
As in maximum wage-slavery.
>0600 wake up
>0630 go to office
>2030 get out of office
>2100 get out of gym
>2130 home
>2200 finished housechores & sleep
Back in March, I forced myself to wake up on 0230 to draw.
But I could only keep up with this lifestyle for nearly 2 months before I collapsed.
And no, I don't have the time to draw at the office.
As I said it's a maximum wage-slavery job.
I'm under constant "strangle" until at least most of people has gone home from work at 1730, that's when things start to ease up quite a bit.
Still, there are a lot of shits left to do because I spend my entire morning and afternoon dealing with all their bullshits.

>>7162380
>>7162580
You seem to be talking about cumulonimbus and nimbostratus clouds, which may be harder to stylize. They tend to clump up more than other types of clouds which gives them higher contrast and harder edges. Layering is your best friend in this case to give the sky a sense of volume, as well as give the clouds some depth in their height (cumulonimbus in particular are extremely tall).

>>7163801
You see the picture right there
Just draw that

>>7163871
Stop going to the gym and doing chores. Start slobmaxxing and use that time to draw

>>7163878
>>7163879
I'm mean more like how to make the clouds more darker, get that kind of texture on the sky, but in a monocrome setting, i have tried with screentones and i couldn't get it right, i do not have problems with drawing or making that kind of stuff in color or grayscale, but for some reason i don't like the results i had in monocrome
I hope i explain myself well now

Is this white void acceptable, or should I at least draw a stylized forest in the background?

Drawing backgrounds feels like washing the dishes after cooking. I just want to get back to drawing people...

>>7164035
You're not going to get a straight answer. There's no "correct" way to draw something, everyone has different methods for shit, developed through trial and error. Go find some artist you like and try and find examples of them drawing what you're trying to draw and study that.

>>7163148
>>7163420
it's pretty hard to translate the movement of video over to a medium where the average reader is done with a page after 3 seconds, but most people would go "oh, it's the same panel 4 times" "that's dumb and lazy" and then go "there's no way he's that lazy, why?" "well i have to double check now" "oh yeah, his face is slightly different there". he had the choice into tricking the reader into playing spot the difference and risk it being glossed over by page flippers, or ruin the tone and composition with a zoomed in shot. btb, this is in context of an 8 page scene with the exact same background. This is not the worst example. there's another 8 page scene with a shot of a IV bag infront of a window - no movement at all, minimal dialogue. and of course theres 4 or 5 pages that's compeltely black i think

I'f be more interested to see how other authors convey time passing. there's this, and there's the extreme of the Houseki no Kuni author taking a 2 year hiatus during the plot-timeskip

don't want to turn this off topic, but sayonara eri is probably the reason why the cm anime was the way it was. i didn't watch it, but it was funny seeing people react to it the way they did. they shouldn't have be too surprised when fans of the source aren't going to get on board with your ozu / tarkovsky homage

>>7164054
I would say you definitely need something. Looks pretty bland, as-is. Maybe some indication of environment on the larger full-page panel, and the little panels can just be straight-up black, or have some toning/hatching/something in them to make them stand out a bit.

>>7164108
Drawing backgrounds is boring when your setting is boring. Consider.

>>7164709
Better, but your linework is pretty jarring against it and I haven't seen any improvement there in a while

One of the problems with learning as you work is that an artist tends to get too comfortable drawing the same things and people in the same way and never try to improve beyond that because they want to get it done quickly.

>>7164727
I think the first three pages turned out good
>>7161080
I am working in my other comic that has more gentle lines btw

is there an easier way to do gradients traditionally without screentones or am i doomed to master hatching or die

>>7165041
Traditionally? Tones and hatching ARE the easy options.

https://imgur.com/a/TcdHLYs

Finally done with this shit for now. I still need to comb through it for errors and I have an additional intro page to draw but I need to reset my brain before I do that. Anyways, what do you think?

>>7165046
Ink wash or markers. If you think controlling value with hatching is hard you're going to have a lot of "fun" with washes.

>>7165047
This is very well crafted anon, good job! The general level of this general is scary

>>7165059
It's a huge leap to go from not drawing at all to drawing something, anything. Most people won't even do this first step. From there, you have to be even more insane or autistic to want to basically do multiple drawings again and again and again, page after page. Possibly dozens of pages. For some anons on /mmg/, you're at hundreds of pages. For an average of 2-6 panels per page, that's a whole lot of drawing. No surprise that the average anon on /mmg/ would be able to grind themselves to a relatively higher level.

>>7165047
looks good. are all these parallel lines used in shading drawn by hand or are they some kind of brush? how long does it take you to finish a page?

>>7165047
I'm impressed by your line/hatchwork, anon. Good stuff, respect.

>>7165047
What's up with the nigger lips and nose

>>7165047
Ooh it's you! I recognize your manga from the leeches page. It was quite a while back that you posted that page, if I recall, so it's good to see your work finally come this far!
That aside, it's always nice to see a hidden gem emerge from this board, as slow as it may be and as long as it takes, it is worth it for truly passionate and wonderful craftsmanship such as this. Every page is given equal care and attention to detail that I can only imagine how long it took to hatch them all by hand. The exposition is set up nicely, and I love the world that you have displayed so far. The art greatly aids in its immersion and makes the whole thing very enjoyable to read and imagine. The dialogue is another noteworthy part, as it is written extremely formally, which fits the setting, while not being overbearing or annoying to read.
Overall, this is a very solid start to a comic that you can just tell by looking at it that a lot of care was put into it. Well done.

>>7164035
try guptil, rendering in pen and ink
there's nothing on clouds specifically but the whole book is full of great rendering advice and references

>>7165047
Really nice overall, though I think your commitment to rendering only in black and white lead to some compositional problems that made it a little tough to tell what's going on at first glance. Particularly the underwater scenes, and certain design choices like never drawing the river dragon's eyes.
Also the scene in the barracks/hospital thing was a little... I dunno, weird? It felt like too much happened too quickly with too little to orient the reader. Gawain somehow knew there was a boy still underwater, one of the leeches suddenly turned into a toddler (which surprised nobody?), said toddler then walked off to get dressed without saying a word, a cute girl suddenly appears then leaves just as quick and we're done.
The intro and the scene fighting the dragon were quite good, but that scene in the building was pretty confusing.

Anyway very nice artwork overall. I've autistically hatched enough pages like that to know how much of a pain it is.

>>7165082
All of it is done with the default csp pen. Sometimes I use a ruler if I'm feeling lazy. If everything goes to plan then I can manage a page and a half a day but usually it's a page a day. This chapter took a lot longer cause I'd never drawn rapids like this and kept changing my mind on how to draw it. The next chapter is in a more familiar setting and should hopefully take a lot less time.

>>7165103
She's an alien, she's supposed to look a little "off" + big lips are hot, you homo.

>>7165104
>>7165191
TY for the story crit. I might change some of the dialogue to make things more clear.

Long time without post, trying to back to draw

>>7165047
Like said, the hatching and art is nice but the moment to moment story makes no sense. Things happen at random with no build-up, and no elaboration, and it's not like they're gags or anything.

Perhaps you're just trying to do the whole 'in media red' thing and think that the mystery of wtf all this is will keep people reading, but I find it has the opposite effect on me. If I don't have a foothold in the setting, the tone and the rules of the world from the start, then I'm not invested in reading.

>>7165047
you need to work on everything that happens after the intro anon. especially after the fight scene with the dragon. its too confusing and seemingly tensionless. a baby appears and then it leaves. a pretty barmaid appears and then leaves. the guy underneath the tavern sulks and then the story ends. its a setup to a subplot cut short before you even have any idea what the subplot could possibly be about, while also seemingly lacking any connection with the alien-meteor overarching plot you opened the chapter with. The only thing i can divine is that the girl might have some sort of connection with the aliens. because big lips = alien?? but then again she is the only female character we see. maybe thats just how you draw women in general?

the art in the intro was cool. the fight scene with the crocodile was cool, but at times it was a little hard to parse. you put too much black in the design of the crocodile-dragon imo. It looked alittle too much like a black blob at times, especially because you chose to have it be an eyeless creature. without the eyes it was hard to interpret it as menacing beast rather than an obscure aggressive black entity.

>>7165047
>https://imgur.com/a/TcdHLYs
I'm not overly concerned about leaving information unexplained (such as the leeches), the main issue I see with this chapter is that it... doesn't go anywhere... as a reader, I have no clue where the story is heading, I don't know if it's a mystery, adventure, comedy, etc...
Your art is very good so not a problem with that.

>>7158672
Weebs, please recommend me some mangaka known for his composition. Even if his drawings aren't Murata-tier, as long as his composition is solid, it'll do. Someone that draws in unconventional angles and often has three or more characters interacting at the same time. Preferably something that isn't action, but thriller/romance/drama.

>>7165791
Death Note consistently had large rooms full of the investigators going over plans and plots and stuff like that.

>>7165791
Urasawa Naoki comes to mind immediately, though unconventional angles is a bit vague (12 angry men was kino though)

Chapter 4 panel for AECAST. Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't rename it from "The Citadel Part III" to "Naomi's Fucking PISSED."

>>7158672
Is there anything AI can help with in the process comic-making?
I mean, it can't even generate the same interior design twice, let alone to depict the interior from different angles.

>>7166160
Nah it's pretty worthless for anything except getting easy (you)s on 4chan

>>7166160
it is really bad at being consistent with designs of things or characters, so not useful in that way. You can use language models like GPT to help with some brainstorming during early outlining though.

>>7166160
>Is there anything AI can help with in the process comic-making?
you can use AI to make your characters. Then trace the character, and put it in the panels. Bang, Then you have a manga. you can also use AI to make the background, and write the script.

>>7166160
In its current iteration, across the different AI products currently available? Not really, no. As others have said, its ability to stay on target and consistent is really bad.

>>7166279
The time it would take for AI to randomly shit out anything halfway acceptable and anywhere near what you wanted it to be, you could have just learned to fucking draw

>>7165047
I can't read it, the imgur page just shows me a grey background, it happens the same that when it tried to upload my draft
Do anybody has a solution, or knows what's the problem

>>7166369
Forget what i said anons, i had downloaded another browser since that happened, and now i tried the link there, and worked fine

Today, maybe in a few hours i will try to post the fully final draft now with the polished text (not the lineart part since i scketched the background on the same layer like a fucking retard so i will have to do the cleaning)
I will post it so i can get some revision on my english since i'm a esl so that would help a lot, also knowing if the story is any good and if it has a chance of succeeding
So i would be really thankfull if anons can give me their thoughts of that too

>>7166160
well there is this webtoon that clearly uses ai.
https://www.webtoons.com/en/romance<wbr>/quantum-entanglement/list?title_no<wbr>=5775
the author denies it but it's pretty obviously not fully her own art. she probably had to feed the model a lot of specific art styles to get something that worked somewhat believably, but even then it still has its flaws so hopefully by the time ai gets good enough to help with that there'd be some kind of regulation stopping it from taking over the human comic artists.
in the short term though i could see ai generated floor plans or maybe even basic 3d environments being able to be used to speed up the process.

>>7166712
Anon use this https://quillbot.com/grammar-check

>>7166762
I tried to use it last night, and it didn't convince me in some stuff, i rather trust in some randoms in the internet

>>7166745
I wish for once someone who clearly is trying to skate by with AI would just admit to it. I don't like AI but if you're going to use it, just say you did it, jesus. Stop pussyfooting around.

I fucking hate imgur, i have tried the last 2 hours to upload and i can't get it right, it not possible, fuck that shit, learn to cout numbers

>>7166909
Fuck that fucking shit site, do anybody knows where else i can post, or post a fucking pdf

I won't retract what i said, but i finally got a good upload, so anons please do your worse

Also, before to start i just wanted to say that the limit for upload is 50 pages, and since i had 51, i just skipped the first pages

And also i need the most feedback on
-how is this for a first chapter
-english and grammatical errors
-paneling
And your thoughts overall

Well, so here it is https://imgur.com/a/AV9T1Y5
I'm going to take a nap

>>7166970
Depends on what I'm drawing. If it's your average comic page, then I use a small narrow brush that mimics a smooth ink pen. If it's something like an actual cover, I use it a little less and use more hard round brush. And just in case anyone asks, I'm on PS so I'm using manga brushes in the Kyle's Manga set which is free for all PS users.

>>7166970
Traditional ink for me. Sakura Microns, mostly .03, .05, and .08. Also some brush pens for filling in larger areas and some feathering and such.

>>7166961
I looked through it. I see you posting pages here from time to time, and I've never really commented on them, so I suppose I will now.

First, for things I like, I think the art is the strongest thing, but it still does need some work. You have some fun character gesture, body language, and character expressions. Though, I think you tend to go a bit overboard with the "nonchalant, bored head tilt". Your characters all seem to have pretty similar hairstyles too, so once we get into the thick of things, it can be a bit hard to tell them apart. I would try to give some of the characters more distinct hairstyles or outfits, or something so we can more easily tell them apart.

I'm also still baffled by how you construct your pages. Do you draw all the panels individually, and then take pictures of them then assemble them into pages? There's got to be a better way...can't you get a cheap scanner, or something?

As for the writing and story...I won't lie, its borderline incomprehensible as it is. You desperately need a proofreader or someone who knows the nuances of English a bit better. For one, it took me looking over the first 5 pages for about 10 minutes to figure out what direction I was supposed to read in, and even now, I'm still not sure (Is it supposed to be left to right?) I thought it was supposed to be left or right, but sometimes you seem to reverse to right to left.

Your lack of really understanding English also makes it seem sometimes like there are a dozen different people talking on any given page. The dialogue just seems like random non-sequiturs than coherent thoughts. This might be solved by actual word balloons connecting the dialogue and anchoring it to a character. As of right now, it just reads as random streams of thought. I gave up after 10 or 12 pages. I'd randomly read a page or two here or there, and there are some areas where it is easy enough to follow and coherent, but then you just lose it a panel or two, or a page later.

Not sure if this is right thread to post this, maybe you find it amusing

>>7167098
I don't browse /ic/ that much anymore after I moved away from manga drawing. I still do enjoy making parodies sometimes. See ya around

Can contrivance-driven storytelling made right on the spot without thinking twice be carried by good panelling and action scenes as long as the whole thing is entertaining?

>>7167005
Well, almost all the character on the chapter are wearing uniform except the nurse and the antagonist, and the rest are wearing uniforms (at least outside the flashbacks)

I did the name on trad, and i did thinking like mangas are made, two pages that are meant to be seen at the same time (wich thanks to the binding preview, i can tell it looks better that way), and it means to be read it from right to left

>I gave up after 10 or 12 pages
So, you didn't read it whole?
>and there are some areas where it is easy enough to follow and coherent, but then you just lose it a panel or two, or a page later.

Could you tell where, i would like to see what i could do

>>7167228
The answer depends on whether or not you like Dragon Ball

>>7166203
>>7166259
>>7166283
>>7166283
Shoot.
I was thinking about using AI to help me to draw backgrounds since that, seriously, it's such a waste of efficiency having to spend 8 hours drawing something that average readers wouldn't even look at for more than 8 seconds.

Do any of you practice doing "complete" copies of manga pages? Or do you prefer to copy fragments (say, a face here, and arm there, etc.) What are the pros and cos of either approaches?

>>7167305
You know, backgrounds aren't that hard once you learn composition. You can get away with a lot of negative space when you know what you're doing.

>>7167331
Not him but to get to the point where you can pull it off efficiently you're inevitably going to go through many many hours of backgrounds. At least I did. I hated drawing backgrounds, but I also made it hard on myself by doing shit like pic related. It's only because I went through many pages like this that I realized I didn't need to. It's a journey, y'know? A lesson isn't learnt until you learn it first hand.

>>7161005
Sleep helps you improve, this is stupid. Your brain like all of your body needs time to rest and reorient in order to become more efficient at whatever its being trained to do

>>7167305
was a bit curious, since it's been a while since i explored the "using photographs as manga backgrounds" concept that gets floated around here occasionally. prompt was "japanese classroom with 2point perspective, facign the windows and back of the classroom, chairs placed unevenly.
It didn't follow any of the additional descriptors, and just gave me generic classroom shots. This took around half an hour of cleanup, as the entire left side was bathed with shadow when posterised, so basically had to redraw it entirely. also have to note that theres a lot of noise, as copilot / dalle isn't super hidef, especially when you're used to working with 300 or 600dpi with comics.
The overall process is no different to tracing a photograph, but with the added problem of objects not making sense, like chair legs melting and overlapping.
A tip / observation -- backgrounds made with photos/3d renders like unreal are super obvious if they don't have a lot of fixup done to it, as the forms are heavity defined by light and shadow rather than lines. There's a lot of great painterly comics out there, but most comic makers live and die by the line. They define all the objects by lines first, then add shadows and highlights
I want to stress how useless AI still is for anything outside of generating the most generic settings, but if that's all you need, it's a cheaper and copyright free alternative to photographs. Still absolutely not recommended for anything other than wide shots to establish settings, but if you fine with the Asano-style look, go for it. Me personally, I love backgrounds, especially tree trucks. there's no perspective rulers, it's just me bonding with some squiggly curves. absolute peace

>>7167095
cool I like your depiction of women

>>7166970
Is this entirely done with brush? I used to use a #2 brush. Now I use microns
>this volume was great btw

50% complete, almost time to sketch the next scene.

Do anybody knows how to make that text notes with all the the text, they show up when i exported in csp, but i can't find them anymore

>>7165047
I dont know what the other anons are talking about, I was able to follow everything just fine. Love the art style, the scenes, the action, the hatching, etc.
My only complaint is that page 33 is a bit compressed.
And that I didn't quite understand the numbers were the pages till about page 15. But that's more on me than you.

Is the new clip studio client opening like 14 process to anybody as well?

>>7165047
artwork is excellent. dialogue too. pacing could use work. felt tough to get grounded in the setting

>>7167256
>So, you didn't read it whole?
I jumped around a bit, but the writing is really jarring. There are some bits here and there that just don't make ANY sense at all.

I get the feeling too that you're sort of aping a lot of manga and anime that you really like, without actually understanding what they're saying and why. You also have a lot of dialogue that's just superfluous, and sometimes a character will say the same thing in three or four different ways in the same panel.

>Could you tell where, i would like to see what i could do
Pic related is probably one of your most readable pages, at least out of the first few. I mean, I get the gist of what's going on, but the there are some little dialogue bits that I just don't understand. This page, however, despite some minor errors, is pretty easy to follow. Its actually kinda funny too. Probably one of your most well written pages.

However, on the page prior to this, in the bottom row of three panels, you have the dialogue:

>"I know that if you were smart, you'd be scared too."
>"You know I can hear you, right?"
>"Yeah, but what does work for!!!"

I have NO idea what is being said in that third line, or how that is even a reaction to what was said in the previous panel. Weird, jarring dialogue like this is spread throughout. Your reader doesn't want to fight to try to understand what you're saying, or they're just going to move on.

>>7158672
Why the hell do the Japanese like to put pickled plum on rice?

>>7166961
I would proof read this if you actually wrote a script because I have not idea who's saying what

>>7167791
East asians in general have a lot of pickled foods that they eat with rice that people who don't care to dive into their relative cuisines don't know about. It's an acquired taste, not going to lie though. I can see why people don't like it.

>>7166961
I've been the anon who has been reading and commenting over the past threads, I took a break from 4chan for a while but I'll give your thing a re-read this week

>>7167776
Yeah I told him before he needs a translator. For ESL he gets a decent portion of it, but poor grammar/spelling is very noticeable and off putting for many adults.

>>7167947
I feel he'd have an easier time simply typing in his native language into Google Translate or DeepL and letting it do the heavy lifting. Some of the sentences would probably be better served, in my honest opinion.

>>7167947
>>7167955
I would have done that earlier, but the thing is that i wanted to be sure of what i wanted to say first, also i like to write in english since it's more easy for me, i have selective mutism, and trying to write my mother language is actually way harder that it seems

>>7168002
I don't want you to be discouraged, but you definitely need help with the writing and dialogue. The art, there's potential there, I'd like to see it more polished and put the characters into some environments and backgrounds.

>>7168002
>trying to write my mother language is actually way harder that it seems
Interesting, what is your mother language if you dont mind me asking?

>>7168027
Oh, it's not because the language itself it's hard, is just that i went through a lot of bullshit that i can't really feel comfortable speaking or writing on it, is like i stutter in the keyboard

Should I post on mangadex? Dog Nigga got popular on there.

tried making a comic to promote my website

If I was to start making doujinshi where could I even sell them now that Patreon blocks lewds (or at least, has made it way harder)
>>7168043
Wasn't Dog Nigga made for the Shounen Jump contest?

>>7168043
Why are you asking? Just fucking do it, it's not like you have anything to lose.

>>7168409
DLsite.
>Wasn't Dog Nigga made for the Shounen Jump contest?
No, it's just some guy's webcomic.

>>7167503
>plagiarism pill
More like, "being aware of how creativity actually works" pill.
Retards still delude themselves about creativity being this "magic talent" that only few possess when in reality is just authors copying their favorite things and modifying them into a neat little package.

Even retards like Tarantino figured this out long time ago.

>>7168405
>https:ovel
>python
>no flake
doa
cute comic though

>>7164709
didnt like this page so I'm remaking it

Any tips on getting an afternoon kick to get some art done WITHOUT coffee/caffeine? It messes with my sleep late into the night...

A lot of the times, I'm so tired I genuinely can't draw and it's barely 8PM. Too early to sleep, but too late for coffee

>>7168679
have your wife/girlfriend motivate you to draw by cheering you on

>>7168705
if this doesn't work, try your anime waifu. she may be more supportive.

>>7168612
nicely done althoguht I will work a little bit more on the shoulder parts, her trapezius are massive.
Also what is that manga texture? It's an clip studio asset?I have always wanted to use it but I can't find it anywhere.

Dialogue protip to ESLs. Use Bing's Copilot ai to fix your grammar mistakes. It can even suggest similar sentences which have same meaning and might sound more nstural

Can I post here if I make western art? /co/ webcomic threads are constantly being shat up by everyone orbiting this one guy

>>7168822
sure if it's a comic you can post it here, and if anyone tells you otherwise tell them to go kill themselves

>>7168822
>The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.
>everyone is welcome here

Post away, if I have time I'll give it a good faith read. I would say at least 40-60% of the anons here don't draw in an anime style, so don't sweat it.

>>7168822
did u guys finally pull the plug? just checked /co/ and nothing damn
also like anons said, everyone is welcome just please don't bring ur schizos here PLEASE

>>7168822
I'm out of the loop sorry what happen with that thread?

>>7168815
>her trapezius are massive
I guess I exaggerated a bit
>Also what is that manga texture?
Medibang texture hatchingC-4

>>7168922
/co/ always has a lot of drama and shitposters. Currently there's been a lot more than the usual weather forecast.

>>7168822
Do what you want but just know I will never not be smug about /co/ sloppers talking endless shit about /ic/ being a shithole only to come crawling here because there native threads is doo doo dogshit.

What is everyone's current status with their project? How far along are you in your current chapter/episode?

>>7169003
Working on Chapter 5 of Altarusia. It will mark 60 pages done

>>7169003
Still planning... so many years...

>>7168922
some of them lurk here so just know that if anyone randomly namedrops a person in an insulting way, that poster is probably a perpetrator themselves.
as far as i'm aware there are at least, and more likely only, three people, and my guess is mods don't do anything about it because they don't care about /co/ making any original content.

>>7169021
>plan a thing for years
Dude, just get started already. We're making comics here, not Lord of the Rings.

>>7169037
I'm making Lord of the Rings...

>>7168913
>did u guys finally pull the plug?
Anyone can make the thread. I made the last one. But I didn't make it again because why bother. Some no life will just troll it up. He might be a mod at /co/or something because he's reluctant to troll here

>>7169000
My art got better since I started posting on /ic instead of /co. The hyw thread used to be good some years ago but it has become a shitposter fest now.

I've been spending the past few months doing commissions. Finally i have some time to do comics again and I'm going to spend the next month focusing on finishing the first chapter of my sci fi rom-com.

>>7169093
Would be nice to see something from Cosmic Crush at this quality.

>>7169093
>Finally i have some time to do comics again and I'm going to spend the next month focusing on finishing the first chapter of my sci fi rom-com.
how is that project going? I've only seen two pages of it

>>7169113
I'm drawing it A3 size instead of each page A4 like I did with Oi so it should be better, but I can't do that quality for every panel without good reference and taking a really long time.
>>7169124
I only got 5 pages penciled, the rest only storyboarded. I got a new baby and hardly did any art the past few months, only pinup commissions. He's sleeping longer so I got time to focus on drawing comics again. I'm going to release the first chapter in black and white and try to make a full color version for webtoon.

>>7168927
Nice thanks anon!
>>7169003
I just finish page 8 of my SMA entry, 9 more to go...

>>7169198
do you draw all your comics until now only by hand?

>>7169264
Yes, I draw and ink everything by hand, I don't own a drawing tablet. I used to ink with brush but now I just use microns.

>>7169270
Holy based. I used too but the table has spoiled me. Sometimes I do one page and two

>>7169003
Haven't dont a freaking thing in over a month now, maybe longer. I need to get back into it. Just gotta plug in my tablet

>>7169003
Halfway through, looking like it'll be done in late july/early august at this rate. Later than I wanted but oh well.

>>7169198
What's with the blue line art? I've seen this before . Is there some easy way to erase the blue?

>7169003 #
 I'm doing several manga projects simultaneously. That makes it more interesting and fun

>>7169270
The trad pen is better anyway imo. The PC is great for certain things though. I stopped using a tablet though. A mouse is better for anything. For me at least

>>7169368
Non-photocopy blue. Scans don't pick it up as clearly as graphite, so it's easy to remove it from a scanned page without needing to risk smudging your inks erasing it. I dunno if that specifically is non-photocopy blue but that's the reason you see that shade of blue in animation/comics production.

>>7165047
>>7169003
I want to say ty to all the anons who gave feedback. I've got some ideas on how to make things clearer but I'm still waiting to hear back from certain irl people before I make any sweeping changes. That being said, I'm so fucking bored, I've got nothing to draw. I've already done all my design work. What do you guys draw when you're not drawing manga?

>>7169394
I might doodle for an hour or so but I get bored of that quickly so honestly if I'm not drawing comics then I'm just not drawing, I'll be playing video games or reading manga or something. The disciplined thing to do would be to do studies, but I get bored of those faster than doodling.

>>7169394
>What do you guys draw when you're not drawing manga?
That's the neat part, I'm always doing it. If I want a mental break I just play a videogame.

>>7169003
Frens talked me into doing the SMA this year so I'm working on getting it down at the moment. Fun times ahead.

I liked this page. Sometimes I think I am spoiling the work hehe

>>7169383
>>7169271
I feel like tablet would be way faster and save time and I wouldn't need materials, I just never got a tablet or learned to draw with one and am a luddite.
>>7169368
Basically what this anon said
>>7169388
It could be red, it could be yellow, it just makes the black inks easier to separate on photoshop then if I penciled with black. I just use a 5mm mechanical pencil filled with blue graphite.

>>7169616
Yo, you got any socials this is pretty good

>>7167854
I will edit the text of what i exported, but the things is that the only named character would be the protagonist, i hope that doesn't matter too much, i kinda suck with names

>>7168015
I was a bit let down, but it was mostly because i went through a rabbit hole not knowing what to do next, if i had to change sometime or what

But i also use that time to play arround with the screentones and organizing materials i'm gonna need

>>7169593
Damn man, this might be one of your best looking pieces yet.

Your waifu-fu is definitely getting stronger.

>>7169502
you should have the moon behind her head in the first panel, it would look pretty cool

>>7169078
yea thats what i meant. the thread makers and even participants just fizzling out. well, welcome!

>>7169078
>He might be a mod at /co/or something because he's reluctant to troll here
Do they let anyone become a mod?

>>7169870
Thanks, it came out pretty good in color
>>7169922
This, moonshots in animes are always kino.

>>7169997
>moonshots in animes are always kino.
I know right

>>7169728
Wow something finally not in a white void!

>>7169922
this one?
>>7169997
your skill to draw hot chicks improved a lot!

>>7170113
for a second I thought it was ben 10

>>7170124
You made me realize the premise has some similarities. It wasn't meant that way but there may have been some subconscious inspiration. There's magic watches and fantasy creatures and a wise adult character whose main job in the story is to drive the car

>>7170114
Thanks, it all came from spending more time on things and drawing on A3 instead of A4 sized paper. I haven't been grinding particularly hard.

I... forgot how that site to paste text is called

>>7170713
Forget about it, i remember the name, but it says that it has some offensive words so i can post it

Do anybody has any other site of trust where i could copypaste the script so this anon>>7167854 can read it?
I spend the whole day yesterday organizing that

>>7170812
>Do anybody has any other site of trust where i could copypaste the script
you mean like pastebin?

>>7170821
It said that there's offensive words so i can't post, and it might be the swearing, but i don't wanna edit all the text just to look which words are the ones i have to take out

God the Araki book is so so good. I'm learning Japanese, and reading the book in the original language is making me see so much more in it. Part of it is because I'm reading a lot more carefully, because of my slow reading speed. The other part is that the english translation is poor and misleading at times

>>7160012
Cool bro but where can I read it?

>>7161005
Train hard
Eat a lot
Sleep well
Literally goku said this and they can’t even follow their own advice.

>>7163918
>going to the gym
>slop
Sigh… you should renaissance-maxx instead of imitating gooks, buddy.

>>7166745
Soulless. It just feels uncanny

>>7170951
Renaissancemax ? What's that? This is /mmg/ you know...

>>7170974
I entirely overlooked the rule of rising and falling when I read Araki's book in English, thinking it was just a Shonen manga trait. When I read it in Japanese, he made it make total sense. I can see how it applies to literally every genre of story out there now

>>7171046
Well that's exactly what I got out of the English version, but then that's just a very basic tenet of writing anyway. Is this perhaps the only book on writing you've read? Because it's quite surface level.

I would recommend you read some more, if you're interesting in more than just regurgitating shonen tropes

>>7167305
You need to think of the world of your story as another character.
It needs proper care and attention. It doesn't need to be in every panel, in every page, it can be very simply done, but your viewers will notice it. Even if they (or (you)) think they don't. Look at how your favorite manga artist does it.
I'd recommend to not even think about AI in general, it is pure brain rot.
>>7168679
Fixing my diet and having fixed sleep hours helps.
I still get groggy so I just drink a ton of tea and wash my face in cold water. It helps...
>>7170225
I liked it.

>>7161005

I agree with fellow anons, sleep helps with memory retention of whatever you learned during the day.

>>7158672
Does anyone have an English copy of Akira Yoriyama's - Manga School? I can only find the one in Italian.

>>7171025
As in be a Renaissance Man. Philosophers in the general Italian/Greek region have long since emphasized that it's not enough to be smart or to be fit, a true scholar develops their mind and body simultaneously. Nothing should be left lacking.

>>7171107
to my understanding no such thing exists
the best I can offer is Mangadex has the first part of the book translated followed by the first three sections of part 2

>>7171116
The Greeks are dead and old. I'd rather draw.

>>7171287
Went through it (as best as I could since I'm not Japanese obviously) - congrats again mate.

Do you guys just start drawing or do you type up an outline first?

>>7171366
I'm asking what each of you specifically do, not resources

>>7171365
When you say outline, do you mean storyboarding or script writing? For your sake I hope you do both.

>>7171365
Generally I have to start with at least an outline these days so I have something to pitch, then I'll storyboard. In the past I'd generally already have an idea of what I'm gonna do in my head so I'd just jump straight into storyboarding.

>>7170909
I just tried after seeing your post, the share link is way too long to be able to post it

Welp, i end up using the first result that pop up in google, and that seems seemingly fine, so i wanted to use this opportunity to also compare betweeen the first page i ever made in digital

>>7171530
With the first page of that i have finish now
 (I know that seems bit unfinished, but i don't know what to use with the sidewalk and the streets)

Anyways here is the whole text
>>7167854

just
paste.
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>>7171532
Much better with backgrounds, at least there is no empty space like the ones you posted before.

>>7171025
Retard what do you think it’s obviously about drawing and working out at the same time to work both on your body and on your creativity

>>7171544
this is one of my fave comics posted lately. Although not many people post their mangas in these threads.

>>7171287
Damn this looks Japanese as fuck you definitely deserved that honorable mention, are you Japanese?

>>7172119
Also I like how the characters seem at first a bit more like “normal” girls instead of hentai caricatures, it makes it a lot more interesting to read.

>>7172120
Yeah, I can't really get into any NSFW doujin if the characters look like insane hentai caricatures from the get-go. Like I get it, we're all here for one reason, but c'mon man.

>>7171530
lmao he looks like slash and paul dano's butt baby in this one
good improvement

>>7171532
You desperately need an editor. I'll finish this later. cz5g5

>>7172179
I really, i really appreciate the effort anon, but i thought that you mean that you would help me with the grammar, the spelling or the euphemisms, but i think that you changed too much
I mean no offense, but when i draw the panels and write the dialogue, i wanted that they feel... like co-related with what they said and what they did on the panel... or i that dialogue that you did doesn't show the personalities that i had thought for the characters

>>7172223
No offense taken. I overhauled some lines because I couldn't understand what the characters were saying or what you intended for them to say. Anyways, I recommend working closely with an editor so they can translate your intentions as coherently and concisely as possible. Also, wouldn't it be better for you to write in your mother tongue, then pay a translator? I can't imagine writing a full fledged story in a language I'm nowhere near fluent in.

>>7172260
>Also, wouldn't it be better for you to write in your mother tongue
That anon has said that for some reason its harder for him to try to express things in his language than in English. I have no idea why, but whatever. I can speak/read two other languages with varying degrees of proficiency but you ain't gonna see me trying to write a comic in those languages.

>>7172260
Like that anon said, it really hard to me express myself in my language, and i don't meant to blogpost to explain myself about it

But i came up with a plan

i will use the quillbot for the grammatics, and the i will compare the text side to side, to see if i like it, then i will mark all the marked sentences (that need to be premium to change them) and i will ask anons here or in /a/ to see if they can help me

that's the best that i got, and i hope that works

After editing this for a while, it's necessary to correct all the grammar? <br>I mean i know i have to change some sentences where the order of words is fuck up, but some other things like caps (that can't really be noticed depending on the font), and punctuation (that can be shown in the bubbles speech) can be left alone isn't?

I thank God every day for making English my first language.

>>7172368
I'm really sorry, i know it must be a bother having to bear me

But i also like to think that i'm doing just fine considering that it has been like 8 years since the last time i went to a class and learn anything new about english and that my only contact using the language has been shitpost on /a/ for the last five years

>>7172361
One of the major problems I had was simply that it was very confusing. It would be one thing if it was simple spelling, grammar, or punctuation errors, but the major problems are that it is difficult to tell who is talking sometimes, and sometimes what order the text is to be read in.

You have to realize that even minor errors tend to stick out. People can over look them sometimes, sure, but not even being able to make sense of the general idea that you're trying to get across, is just going to make people move on.

A person can understand the general framework of a language, but the problem becomes when you don't have the grasp of somewhat abstract concepts often found in these types of stories, and being able to properly convey them to the reader.

>>7172387
This is why I wouldn't want to use MTL to translate my shit to Japanese. It might be fine for something not really plot or dialogue heavy or with any technical terminology like a porn comic, but for a story with more substance I doubt it would be up to the task.

I think if I got to a point where I thought it had a shot in Japan, I would hire a real native translator

>>7172119
Not japanese (or any kind of asian), no.

>>7172120
>>7172137
Thanks, I try to make the situations/characters believable. Not realistic, but hopefully with enough reality that a reader could buy it. I know that when I read porn, a bit of reality enhances the fantasy, so that's what I'm aiming for when I write the characters/scenarios. Actually not even just in porn, I think the juxtaposition between realistic elements and fantastical elements is just an effective tool for drawing a reader in and making the setting and characters compelling. Like, for example, when the characters of a heroic tale make decisions that make you, the reader think "oh, that's not far off from what I would do in that situation" it suddenly makes the work a lot more engaging as the work has made it clear that it's working on a logic that you can relate to and understand. So when a porn situation develops in a way that the reader could see themselves in, it enhances the believability (and thus hopefully eroticism) of the work. As long as it's done well, lol.

>>7172388
>where I thought it had a shot in Japan, I would hire a real native translator

It's what I'm planning on doing for mine once I get to a point where I think I have enough material to justify the initial upfront cost. Although I'm not doing it so much for trying to make it in Japan, I'm doing it so I get to see fanart.

>>7172514
>I'm doing it so I get to see fanart.
based

>>7172526
I'm like vanripper for that game Helltaker. I don't care if I ever make money from my manga. I just want dem drawings, lol.

>>7172387
>but the major problems are that it is difficult to tell who is talking sometimes, and sometimes what order the text is to be read in.
I'm 85% sure that i can fix that with the speech bubbles and relocating the text better
The thing is that i don't know if everything just feel off and is wrong or if are just some parts, being in this loop of either rewriting everything or just correct some parts (which reading more slowly and with patience while editing i have been able to spot more and more mistakes)

For know, now with the grammar checked by the quillbot, i will focus on the text that was highlighted for suggestions

>>7168612
Help. Should I put the Madalena panel here like>>7164709 or keep the banshee only? I think it would mess with the aesthetic if I try to put more panels.

>>7172745
I think the original page 7 you have here >>7164709 is just fine, lol.

>>7172789
Really? Anyway I got two page 7 now kek

By the way, before the thread ends, do anybody knows a good way of sharing a pdf? I refuse use imgur ever again to share something

>>7172895
why would you want to post a pdf?

>>7173075
Because i spend like 5 hours trying to upload something to imgur the last time, and i don't know where else to post
And in pdf it's just one file and with great quality too

>>7173092
There are all kinds of webcomic sites you can upload to, though, with established readerbases, instead of just dropping a .pdf into the void and hoping for the best.

>>7173095
It's not for public to read yet, i will upload to mpc when i finish, bit now i need if i'm headed the right way, and i can only know that if anons read what i've done until now

>>7172895
What is wrong with imgur? It doesn't get simpler than clicking upload then clicking the image.