For those who do oil painting, assuming you had to start over from 0 (meaning you're a complete beginner to even sketching), how would you go about gaining proficiency?

I had a professional artist as a friend who attempted to get me to paint acrylics. One of her ideas towards that end was to give me grey paper,a white pencil and a black pencil, to experiment with seeing things as highlights and shadows. This might work for you.

>>7179207
>For those who do oil painting
Nobody on this board does actual art.

>>7179218
Everything in this board is art you bafoon

>>7179220
Shut up you stupid faggot. You know exactly what I meant. If it's not drawing anime titties, it doesn't gain traction here.

Artists that 'do actual art' wouldn't need to gain traction here.

All the good chink painters started with Bargue. Teaches you observation, accuracy, proportion, values, edge control, grouping shadows and shape design, a style, anatomical planes, big-to-small, etc.

>>7179259
I paint anime titties with oil paint, does that count?


Anonymous

>>7179905
Paying twitter does not inspire confidence. Don't do it.


Could use some help/crit with proportions or anything else you see. trying to shake off the rust

>>7179615
Upper leg too small;lower leg too small;try drawing through the further leg too; the guy should be falling given the weight distribution. I hope you aimed for a stylized cranium.

Use your body as a reference

>>7179775

>Use your body as a reference

It's a self portrait.

Thanks for the advice. Especially about the weight. The stool was added as an afterthought and it shows

>>7179814
>It's a self portrait.
I meant for the proportions: the relative size of your bones length should roughly match what you draw


artstuff


Anyone got Proko's Figure Drawing Fundamentals?

Title, pretty much.

Looked for it up and down everywhere, but no luck. Can some anon lend me a hand, please?

>>7178129
anyone know a site like this that isnt quite as boof

>>7177944
Get an AD Porkopenko.You are old news, beglet.

>>7178411
what the fuck is that even supposed to mean
english do you speak it


Why THE FUCK am I unable to do this? It is as if when I try and do this satan grabs my hand himself so fuck up my drawing

what's up buddy, let me help you. Explain in detail

>>7171990
You're probably drawing ON the sphere instead of using it as construction.
That's the problem I see a lot of begs having

Stop copying. Idk why people see these little demos, and think the goal is to reproduce the drawing itself. The lesson here is not to draw slapdash anime face, it's "use crosshairs to help with feature placement." You could draw a cross on a donut and you'd be following the principle.<br>If still you can't even do that...whew...bad news

>>7171990
do what? draw an anime girl? you need the blessing of Amaterasu, or be born Japanese.

>>7172028
copying is the very first skill /begs/ need to learn

>>7172032
Yeah on opposite day. The retarded magical beliefs ubiquitous here is the cause of all the stagnation. Learn to feel good about drawing from imagination first, that's how every artist you admire did it.

>>7172038
just incorrect. Everyone learns at a young age by attempting to draw things they've seen. Wild to be so rude and arrogant about something this wrong.

>>7172046
Kids draw from imagination. They literally just go at it without thinking. I've seen this recently, so I know kids haven't changed since I was one and also did the same thing. Simply can't fathom wtf you're talking about.
/ic/ in typical fashion puts the cart before the horse because everyone here is always in such a rush to be a pro.

>>7172046
Children draw to materialize the products of their imagination, they have little interest in reproducing reality.

>>7172051
maybe if you "cant fathom" it, then you don't understand.

My earliest drawings were of pokemon, video games, my parents, etc. Of course I did things from imagination as well but copying was one of the biggest formative experiences that got me into drawing seriously.

There's a reason that lessons exist at all, it's distilled information conveyed clearly. Sounds like you're arguing from the modern art school perspective that you should just "draw what's in your heart man, let your feelings onto the canvas" instead of actually learning to draw. You're not being helpful to this anon at all.

>>7172058
Most anons come here and they've not drawn in almost 2 decades. They need to learn to get comfortable with their own hand and be at peace sketching their impulses, if it's even possible to hack your brain to think like this later in life. Your chances of copying your way into being the next successful anime girl drawer are dire. You at least have *a* a shot by attempting to learn what drawing is on an intuitive level. Something that 3-year-olds get, by the way.

>>7172062
not a good look when your argument is
>3 years olds are doing it!!

>>7172066
Yes, children are better drawers than adults on average. Not the best adults, but the vast majority of them. They get it on a gut level. Morons like you don't, for years on end. You simply must complicate a simple thing. I'll leave you to it, then.

>>7172038
>don't learn what things look like just go by the flawed recreations in your head
one way ticket to kangaroo town

>>7172080
>just go by the flawed recreations in your head
That's the whole point.

>>7172080
You're kidding, right? The cause of Proko's fuckup is so clear and you still miss it. He says drawing from imagination is sooo hard, and it's one of the last things you do. My god he's you.

>>7172061
NTA but you should really focus on actually finishing your faces and detailing them, otherwise this kind of practice is useless and there’s no point in even critiquing it as well. At least give them eyes, mouths, an expression, whatever. Otherwise you’ll never figure out a good balance.

>>7172062
You don't need to enjoy something to get good at it. Teaching a beginner to enjoy drawing is pointless, since they want to learn because they enjoy it in the first place. You're much more interested in proving to everyone how smart and better you are (pyw btw) than actually helping new artists get better.

>>7172100
>since they want to learn because they enjoy it in the first place
lol

ALL THE POSTERS OF THSI THREAD SHOULD POST THEIR WORK OR STFU YOU SILLY PERMA-NIGGERS

>>7172104
you first, you're gonna get mogged by a 3 year old though

>>7172096
HELP ME HOW DO i STOP DRAWNG LIKE A DEVIANTART RETARD

>>7172111
your eyes too low bruh
try literally any anime style book from the art book thread and learn how to line up the basic features
you got drive, you just need time to cultivate the actual craft...you can do it!

>>7172061
There is no cross. No wonder you fail if you can't even copy whats on the OP pic

if you suck at drawing you probably need to draw more idk just a thought.

I guarantee nobody who's as bad as ppl in this thread has even one filled sketchbook of practice

>>7172139
>try literally any anime style book
How about this one?

>>7172626
the how to have fun with a pencil for gaijin bakas

>>7172111
The top and bottom left heads look decent enough, actually. The main issue is that the eyes of both characters are placed a little too close together.

In many, if not most types of stylization, the conventional amount of distance from one eye to the other encompasses the width of an extra one, although it's not uncommon to find anime designs with a larger degree of separation between them (especially, but not exclusively, in shows with a typical moeblob aesthetic).

>>7172061
its a repetition thing just keep practicing till you get the hang of it

>>7172061
The problem is that you’re white, Anon.
Even if you became a professional artist, your attempts at replicating manga would only result in ugly renders like pic related.

Only East Asians can draw anime faithfully. You have to settle for realism like the rest of us, this is the closest thing to a waifu you will ever have the potential to create in 20 years from now

>>7172061
Literally just don't immediately give up. Picrel is what I quickly drew using your drawing as a base.
Also, the tiniest detail can completely change how a picture looks, so even if it looks like shit one moment, that doesn't mean it's unsalvageable.

>>7172844
why would anyone want to draw anime garbage anyway

>>7171990
it's very simple.
1: you need more practice.
2: stop believing in religious BS and blaming fairytales for your shortcomings.

>>7172057
>westoid children draw to materialize the products of their imagination, they have little interest in reproducing reality
meanwhile japanese kids drawings

>>7173667
that is not reality tho I recognize Yui from k-on at that kid from non non biyori

>>7172887
Cause it's like realism but...COOLER and you get to ink everything with a G-Pen like a caveman.

>>7172061
I've been trying to loomis shit out today instead of using 3d heads and it really doesn't work. i don't know why but the proportions are not there, the eyes don't distortion like they should.

>>7173736
My guess is that loomis is supposed to only be a guide, most of the time the eyebrow line is completely nonsensical. I've been drawing with the CSP heads for a while now, i'm sure that after a few months (years perchance) it'll be easy to transpose the distortions to a sphere

>>7171990
>>7172061
>>7172111
>>7172886
>>7173736
Hi!. Study one thing at a time, and don't worry if it looks ugly, it usually happens since you are focusing on one thing at a time. Then you can try to put everything together for a global vision. Try to understand how something "is" and then what it "looks like." Many people tend to believe that they are the same, but that is not the case. For example, a blind person can perfectly understand how a head is, but not what it looks like. It is so intuitive for us to see because the brain does it automatically, our job is to decipher how our eyes interpret something in 3D and represent it with only lines (perspective). So you're not stupid for not being able to have a mental or paper image of what something looks like. that construction or language takes time. That said, returning to the head, focusing on the planes of the head and the proportions is the most relevant, when drawing never think only about the distance between the lines, think about what the lines you draw represent, the structure that exists. behind. and finally in anime, because of the simplification that occurs the eyes have to do most of the work to make sense of the face. So studying the plane changes that occur in the eyes is essential. GREETINGS EVERY ONE, SHITS HARD!.

>>7174937
Not OP, but eyes confuse the shit out of me.
Using the skull confuses me even more because I'm not sure exactly how the construction process goes.

The way I usually try to do it is Head construction -> Sphere for eyes -> Wrap eyelids around sphere -> Completed eye
The way in your image looks like it goes Head construction -> skull eye sockets -> Draw eyelids using socket as reference -> Completed eye

Is the sphere-to-eye thing not a good way of going about it for anime style? My eyes always feel way taller and less angular than they should be. If you're supposed to be using the socket instead of a sphere, that would probably explain why, but idk how you get them to also look round if you don't use a sphere somewhere in the construction process...

>>7171990
it’s literally incorrect
the head is wider at the back then the front, so it’s more of a 3d trapezoid than a box or a sphere

>>7174937
GIVE THE BLOG RIGHT NOW COCKSCUKER AND NOBODY GETS HURT.

>>7171990
Accuracy problem, no more, no less.

>>7174961
Sorry, maybe I explained it wrong, I wasn't trying to explain how to make the drawing if I wanted to do it step by step. just to demonstrate the different ways and levels in which one can study heads. When I draw I am aware of all those things and I retouch and fix the drawing thinking about those things. I would use these "recipes" or "step by step" to feed you different points of view that represent the same thing. Because you are not always going to copy the same pose with the same angle, if you wanted to rotate it you will have to understand where everything goes and how everything relates to each other. Here I leave you how I think about it as I draw and a few sketches of eyes.
In short, just look for a bunch of drawings by artists that you like and try to analyze how everything is organized until you start to get ideas of how it should be. The tutorials you find on YouTube can help you how to study the drawings. If you ask me, probably the most relevant thing to start with is to relate everything with simple figures, cubes, spheres and cylinders.
It took me 5-6 years to draw these mediocrities, but I have a lifetime to continue improving so I don't worry.

>>7175028
This isbfucjing nuts
How does one get this good?

>>7175028
>Tumblr meshi
I hope you dia a horrible death.

>>7175028
>>7175048
These posts are too good for this shit board

>>7172111
It's just mileage, get ~5,000 bad drawings out before you start seeing the good ones

You're not even that bad stop whining

>>7175091
>even AI fucks up the eye proportions

it's over

Request from a nodraw.
Can someone tell me what's wrong with picrel? Just saw it on /co/ and it's giving me the creeps, but i don't have enough knowledge to figure it out.
Something about the arms, i think.

>>7177494
Americans don't care about eye level or perspective. It's not even worth criticizing because they simply don't care

>>7177501
Yeah ik i just wanted to know what's wrong with it exactly.
I'm not an artist so the best i can do is say that they've fucked up, but i really am curious as to what exactly is wrong here.

>>7177511
>>7177494
Ok i think i figured it out. The "bending" of her elbows isn't "communicated" in any way.
I think the second part of her arms should get smaller the further in it is to show the "angle" of the "bend"
Am i getting that right?

>>7177494
The Superman logo on her jacket is not properly foreshortened, i.e., Power Girl's back is positioned at a different orientation angle than that of the logo, an incongruity which, given the prominent display of the latter, renders confusing the overall perspective of her torso.

The front view is a cat, the side view is a monkey. For both views you have to make the snout be slightly shaped like the profile of an axe (so growing outwards instead of becoming thinner).

This is the greatest wisdom I learned on here.

>>7171990
>>7178194
I lost the cat-axe image if anyone has it.

>>7172626
Using shit like that is a rite of passage for all self-taught artists.

>>7180021
Mogs me. Time to commit suicide.


In multiplayer video games like Monster Hunter, or MMOs, or Dragons Crown, you meet party members in a tavern before setting off a quest. Quests either given to you by towns people, or by following some hot piece of information about something happening in the mountains.

I shouldnt be asking because im not ready, im about to lose internet because im broke, but have you guys ever decided to band together with total strangers to make a product and split the rewards? I know someones going to try to pull off a dirty trick and swindle the coin, but, thats how it was in times like these.


What's the actual realistic take on perfectionism in art?

I hear that it's a requirement for excellence and for making a living through art, and also hear that it's a trap that ultimately makes you less productive. I've only heard criticism on perfectionism from art youtubers and not artists who are out there creating a legacy, whose art can seemingly only have come from perfectionism (from my perspective as a consumer). There's also those who were led to clinical insanity over artistic details that nobody would have noticed anyway.
I don't know what the reality-grounded stance on perfectionism is.

there have been average or sub-par artists who have made a living through art, and the best and most hard-working artists have not always done so. perfectionism and striving towards excellence can improve your chances of success, but your success is ultimately determined by factors beyond your control.

>>7180154
Perfectionism is a product of insecurity from people who fear criticism.
Excellence is a product of being able to listen to criticism and improve, while knowing that having flaws in one's work only provides opportunity to receive criticism.

The grounded stance is this: if perfectionism is keeping you from actually finishing your work, posting it, or even working on it in the first place, or making you actively unhappy and insane and ruining your life, you should probably reel it in.

>>7180154
Perfection is an ideal you strive towards not something you can actually achieve.


Very nice anon!
Keep up the good work and keep making chad and virgin doodles, then draw what you want and play with references!

Also i chuckled then i sneedled

>>7179173
Looking good, you should try drawing your own plapjaks

>>7179173
My favorite meme from the decade. Great job


see? It's easy to draw popular stuff, you just need to keep drawing and git gud anon

>>7167713
>6. draw the rest of the fucking owl

>>7167713
how does step 6 look worser than step 5

Where's the "grind 1000 floating loomis heads" step?

I haven't even started anatomy yet and just draw gesture all the time

People tell me to try loomis but I'm lost. this looks appealing enought though

>>7167728
it's like being a monkey trying to figure out how to pull a lever

>>7167713
I can copy pretty well, but I can't draw anything good. I wish I could travel to the future, copy whatever popular art I see, and go back to the past to draw it before they do.

I don't have interests or a story to tell. I admit it. I don't give a shit about anything or myself.

>>7167974
just copy the art of your favorite videogame, or show. you sound boring, so fix it by getting inspired a bit.

Lmao this guy have 9999k millions followers on Xitter while begs are shitposting on /ic/

>>7167713
I would need to git bad to do something like that

>>7167977
Appeal matters more than skill. especially if your audience is consisted of ironic tranny weebs.
>>7167987
Good.

>>7167728
>draws gesture without knowing anatomy
why do so many people do this?
let me guess
your gestures all look like stick figures or distorted michelin man clones?

stop ignoring foundations, learn the basic structure of things first

what ive learned is, everyone needs to be linked to one of those "Learn how to learn" courses, because the problem is people dont know how to actually learn things in general

>>7168000
seems like every beginner course or teacher recommends gesture drawing despite them not even agreeing on what gesture even is

>>7168004
Gesture is literally just stick figures. Your goal is to get used to how the spine & ligaments move. You're not supposed to be 1:1 copying figures. Copy studies come later, important fundamentals are perspective and proportion of the human body & VERY BASIC anatomy (anatomy also comes later)

>>7168011
>Gesture is literally just stick figures
only according to some teachers, some say it's the general gist of the pose and the limbs don't matter

>>7167713
I don't get it, I have a feeling the retards that say shit like "to get a following you need to be skilled", when that's a fucking lie. Consistent posting and mostly luck is how you grow. Makes me think the retards that say this are coping /beg/ shitters that think they'll finally grow by being decent.

>>7168013
Whatever helps you learn, if something isn't working for you then try a different approach. Everyone has different brains.

>>7169377
>>7168893
How does it feel knowing the OC creator will always be more popular and acknowledged than you?

>>7170221
you could be like pantsu ripper and draw that guy's character and get thousands of followers.

>>7170224
Ripper had thousands of followers before drawing them though

>>7170221
That depends, how many thousands of followers does the OC have? I'm not too shabby myself

but at the same time numbers don't matter unless it's your profession or you enjoy competing. Drawing is fun for me so I really don't mind

>>7170221
yeah but will you ever have good art or be popular

>>7170221
"waaaahhh it's about the numbers wahhhhh"
What are you even doing on this board

>>7170221
Choklit has thousands of followers and his art is dogshit, what's your point?

>>7167977
>"but they/them are le heck wholesomerino artiste who draws le sugoi kawaii OCs who are probably bispansexually transfurry autistic aspurgers and it make your heart pp feel good while you make lotso frens on le discordé and talk about what epic porn you like and you feel soo heckin valid! wow! Just like me in skewl!! fr fr"

I dunno man, the appeal might unironically be the consumer's mental illness or autism if...
>>7170221
...who actually knows what discord dicks he sucked to get boosted like. Not to mention the obvious bot problem inflating already big accounts.
It don't feel like anything. Who would unironically be jealous or envious because of big numbers? Are you 12?

Post your works

>>7170613
> Who would unironically be jealous or envious because of big numbers?
Anyone that use bots as any excuse on why they have no followers or for any reason at all

>>7170617
>bots don't exist and if you say so you're jealous
But that is just a fact?
Although what do the voices inside your head tell you about my emotional state?
Please, do tell.

>>7170620
>you can only get a following through bots and there’s no other way!!!
Being so quick to point out bots when the slightest mention of followers/popularity doesn’t help your case. You just want to feel validated for your confirmation biases.

>>7170644
Bots do make up the majority of any following and the bigger the traffic, the higher the chance it attracts more bots, which in turn grow the numbers and it attracts more bots.
>you want validation
For simply saying it how it is?
Are you ok, Anon?
The number of social media followers isn't an indicator of a person's value and if you attach any form of ego or value to it, you have serious problems.

>>7170650
>i-i’m just simply saying on how it is bro..
Sure you are, like you didn’t have any other motive when you were shitting on the consumer’s taste. Say how you really feel, don’t need to hide it, anon.

>>7170656
It isn't an unreasonable thing to say that a majority of people have incredibly shit taste, when things like gangstamumble rap, influencers, celebrities, streamers, drama, gossip, etcetera are very successful and much consumed industries, nor do those same people think and ponder over the things they consume besides if it makes them feel a dopamine rush or not.

All your attempts at this armchair psychoanalysis only shows you to be emotionally invested in this.

You wouldn't just go on the internet to pose a question only to then try to insult and offend people who replied to you, thinking you're being witty and totally epic trolling everyone, do you?
Like i dunno man, that's kind of fucking pathetic even if you're an Anon.

>>7170693
Ironic, considering your first post already assuming the mental state of the consumers and have all of these theories about followers or popularity are only bots or some discord nepotism bull shit.You speak like the things you say are the absolute truth, when it’s mainly delusions. Social media is all about numbers, so why are you so serious about something like this and making up all these theories about people with different taste than you or how people grow their following? Is your mental state ok, anon?

>>7170712
>anon has another schizophrenic episode
sounds like a lot of coping and seething desu fampai

>>7170727
Anon said the thing!
you're so heckin witty and epic, sister!

>>7170729
Continue seething about numbers, anon. Your ideas will surely get you somewhere and not another rant about muh discord boosting.

>>7170730
>cloutschizo still seething that one random anon doesn't deem meaningless numbers meaningful by spamming that he actual cares
unironically needs to cope that 80% of his followers are bots

>look for the perfect pose that is dynamic, full of gesture, and has good composition
>carefully connect the lines and draw outlines correctly
>carefully draw the hair and clothes as accurately as I can
>looks stiff as fuck

>other people in this thread criss cross lines all the time and wont even fully draw the outline to something
>looks way better

I finally get it. construction is a virus

>>7171168
Yes. "Perfect" sucks, if I wanted perfection I would just look at a photo

>>7171168
>construction is a virus
Close, but no. What you're describing goes further than just construction.
Problem is that in our pursuit to make things look as functionally accurate as fundamentals dictate, we forget to make them visually pleasing, effectively neglecting the design aspect of art for the sake of following the fundamentals. You end up with a piece that looks correct, but doesnt look nice.

That said, you should definitely not ignore the fundamentals, but you have to always keep in mind that you're supposed to make something that is meant to be visually pleasing (assuming that's the end goal).
Think of it as the "security vs freedom" analogy, Fundies being the security and Appeal being the Freedom.

>>7171168
>doesn't post an example of his

gay post

>>7171185
Loomis talks about it in his figure book.
He says that trying to capture reality is a foolish errand since photography is a thing, and that now the artists job is to invoke flavours of reality that can't be found anywhere else

>>7167713
I unironically love this MS paint renaissance we're in.

>>7167977
He is better than 99% of begs on /ic/

>>7173978
He has The Gene. Even when someone is hyper /beg/ you can instantly tell if their work has appeal or not. Unfortunately I don’t think that sort of thing can be taught.

>>7167713
>Nearly 70k followers
Christ I thought you were kidding

>>7168004
Gesture is part of construction or blocking phase of figure drawing, depending on if you are drawing from imaginaton or from observation, it is design to capture the general directions and weight of the pose. The basic gist of this is generally agree upon, but some people just use different styles. While I was taking figure drawing it typically consists of 30-40 minutes of 10 -15 figure drawings, 1-3 minutes each, and 2 hours of longer poses, and typically all of the long poses will start the drawing by laying down the gesture first.

>>7170224
>>7170411
Isn't he a known pedophile?

>>7173980
"The gene" is just being complacent with your art being shit.

>>7168000
>why do so many people do this?
Because every teacher, artist, video, book, etc says to start with gesture.

>>7174001
>>7174003
>>7175883
am I supposed to know who this faggot it? Post their socials.

>>7173978
he's hiding behind his low effort style while I'm trying to learn how to draw. Thats why he's so confident, he isn't actually trying, because he doesn't want to fail. Therefore he is not succeeding.

 If I was a racecar driver and the competition decided I only got second place and first place goes to some guy in the crowd, I'd be angry and confused. He's not driving, why is he considered the winner? Why would look at the guy in crowd and try to learn how to drive from him?

>>7177850
there is no race. you see it as a race and you see an imaginary ranking but there is no such thing.

>>7167713
This is unironically how my art looks at it's best and I hate myself for it. I wish I could draw detailed characters like pic related.

>>7179156
You can if you choose to learn how, Anon.
Just learn.

I'm so fucking tired of drawing. I just want to have nice things drawn but they will take HOURS and I just don't have the willpower anymore. I got the twitter numbers so now there is nothing left to care about.

>>7179156
if you look closely, the lines are chicken scratch and the anatomy is horrendous. vegeta's arms have lots of extra bumps and corners that are not correct anatomy, and his left bicep just has two lines nowhere near each other.
Gokus body isn't even drawn, its just a shoulder and part of another shoulder and the next. There are so many scratchy lines but the form is still shown well, somehow. If I drew this same thing but with correct anatomy, it would look like shit.

So to draw like this, you need to focus on form and gesture, those are the only things that matter. You don't even need to connect the lines when you draw a shape. You don't even need to draw a lone, you can leave some things invisible.

>>7179278
Yusuke murata is known for throwing certain fundamentals out the window when he feels like it.


Collage Thread

Haven't seen a thread in a long time. I'll dump in some work I've been making. Feel free to dump or critique.

>>7180229
OPs posts are more interesting than 99% of garbage slop that gets posted on this board. You're fucking stupid and tasteless if you think otherwise.
>>7179887
probably my favorite from the ones you posted
>>7179890
>>7179878
but those two are also really cool :)
Keep at it OP.

>>7180249
>>7180271

Thanks anons feels good man


Do people really "draw for themselves" or is it just a cope?

>>7171897
To a certain extent it's cope. People draw to eventually show others some of their work (though there are exceptions). That said, drawing is still fun, so 'drawing for yourself' is also a big part of it, but it'd be lie to say it's the goal in of itself.

>>7171897
Critique wouldn't be a thing if that was true

>>7171897
Why would you draw if you don't enjoy doing it? that's so weird to me. I have more drawings in storage than i have posted online and I've posted literally hundreds of artworks to my twitter.

>>7171897
Yes, the best artists draw to show others though

>>7171897
No. Saying you do is a weird form of virtue signaling

>>7171897
Both. Sometimes drawing for yourself can be very rewarding. Especially if it's hot and horribly taboo.

>>7171897
I draw my own fucked up porn and keep it for my own enjoyment. I tend to put minimal effort on it, compared to the amount I put into public pieces.

>>7171897
My drawing folder currently contains 859 files and less than 10% of them have been posted online

>>7171930
What virtue is being signaled?

>>7171930
If you don't at least sometimes draw simply for pleasure what are you doing?

Very few artists draw only for themselves, but doesn't everybody who likes to draw sometimes draw for fun or to fill time?

>>7172130
I just post my drawings to a personal discord server like a diary. It's easy to just scroll up and see what I did on X day at Y time and if I ever feel like sharing I post to smaller cords.

>>7171897
I dont know. I just hoard art supplies and frog images

>>7172134
The virtue of being better than those hecking shallow artists on social media

>>7172226
This
It's the same when some woman says she wears makeup for herself

I've never posted my art online, but I also don't draw for myself. It's weird.

A lot of what I draw I do for fun (ie. for myself), but showing my drawings to others is a big motivator too. It shows to others that I have some value or worth as a person. Being able to stick with any craft or hobby or skill will attract other motivated people, a lot of the best folks I've met online and offline was through my art.

>>7171897
I draw because I want to see my ideas gain their own life being created by me.
If I can share it with others its just a plus.
>Verification not required.

I draw for myself because otherwise I have nothing but videogames

>>7172226
>>7172230

>social media brain
>internet poisoned

lol. And obsessing with being validated by strangers is somehow worse than whatever strawman you come up with

>>7173502
80 percent of anons here have active Twitter accounts

>>7173504
I'll straight up admit
Yes. I draw primarily for validation. At least 60/40 validation to fun ratio.
Knowing that others like my work is my main motivator. As well as the 2k a month I'm able to make off of it.

Yea? If all you want is your dick sucked there's way easier ways to get that than drawing popular anime girls. I draw because I have shit in my imagination I'll die if I don't draw.

>>7171897
I don't post what I draw online outside of here or to a few friends because i am not very good yet. I draw currently to get better, but I also draw what I personally like.

>>7171897
i do it as a philosophical pursuit, but i do ask friends and family what they think, so i can get feedback. not looking for pats on the shoulder, and gold stars. genuinely want to get better. currently in copying phase, improving in some way every time i pursue a drawing. multiple opinions are important in my opinion, both from layman, and fellow enthusiast/artist alike.

>>7171897
By "drawing for themselves" what they really mean is drawing for the sake of drawing because they love to draw. If they stopped making art with declining or no audience/following you can tell they were coping, but if they kept making art even if only few people can see it you can be sure as hell they draw mainly for themselves.

>>7171897
Drawing for yourself is a meme. The drawing is already in your head, why are you spending hours slowly materializing it for?

I would draw even if I was the last person alive. Why stop? Gotta do something fun between food runs.

>>7173706
The point is to capture something you feel at the moment. It may be gone tomorrow and you will never get to experience it again. It can be a sexy art, a funny joke, a visceral or moody pic. Even if you don't get it perfectly, it will still remind you of that feeling/idea. I like looking at my old art, cause it feels like it was made by a different person, but you still get the idea perfectly.

>>7173944
I don't feel anything... except pain

"Drawing for themsleves" just means they keep drawing even though nopony would ever see it, obviouslly it'd be better if that were not the case but its a fact that some people draw, nobody will ever care, and they don't stop anway.

t. Me.

I'm even worse desu. I make fake games by drawing because I can't be assed to learn how to program

>>7173502
>>7173506 and if it's not twitter, it's pixiv, insta, tumblr, dA, etc etc

>>7174129
This is what I was going to say
At some point I realised that almost no one cares about what I draw and that I could vanish from the earth tomorrow and almost nobody would even notice
I stopped fretting about following numbers since then and just draw what I like, but I still like showing good ones to friends

I'd say I'm pro level but I'll never show anyone my work. I enjoy the process and cataloguing my works, it's meditative to me. Maybe when I pass away someone will see them.

>>7171897
>Do people really "draw for themselves"
Yes, yes I do, currently doing so right now.

>>7174847
same. but I will burn all of mine right before I die.

>>7171897
I draw for myself, mostly because I'm insecure about my works, so I rarely ever show it to anyone.
Even if they say it's good or whatever, I usually just assume they are being nice or flattering me. if I keep it to myself, I can point out the flaws, but also I can be proud of things I did right. Like for example, if I like how I drew shadows or something, then it makes me feel good.
But I don't have any real art supplies so I just draw in MS paint with my mouse and the pencil tool. I wouldn't consider myself an artist because I don't consider what I draw to be art. Maybe that's just my insecurity talking.

>>7174860
If you mean Polsier, he is, I just saved that image before the site he used to post in collapsed; Im not him.

It's even worse. People draw themselves.

>>7171897
I have a habit of drawing something and then throwing it away. Not because I hate how it looks, I just don't need it anymore and it's taking up space. The only one who ever saw it was me. I don't get much satisfaction from compliments in general. Mindless praise just doesn't compare to the satisfaction of accomplishment. 99.9% of people on the planet never have anything insightful to say about my art anyway that I didn't already think of myself. Glad they like it, but I wouldn't care if they didn't. In the end, I wanted to manifest a thought and I did, and that's that, I move on. My thoughts get bigger and more complex, and the challenge of manifesting bigger and more complicated things keeps me going indefinitely.

Drawing for yourself means knowing what people want to see from you and still choose to listen to yourself instead.
Like I could milk my audience by drawing Mario princesses (and Roll) nonstop, but I rather draw what I want to draw and only draw what my audience wants when I feel like it.

>>7174850
>>7174870
>Anon felt compelled to save that shitty reaction pic
I feel flattered lmao.

I used to draw futa on futa hentai for myself, jerked off to it and then deleted it.<br>Does that count?

>>7171897
I think it's a little bit of both.

It's good to show your work around so you can get input. It's the best way for you to be able to improve.

Personally, I draw a lot of things I don't show people. Sometimes I mean to, but I forget or convince myself not to. There are artists who destroy their work, because they don't want anyone to see it.

Creating art is sharing a part of you with others. Some people don't want to do that and some people do. To each their own.

>>7171897
Depends what you mean by drawing for yourself.
If you mean drawing something only you will ever see, it's a cope by artists when a piece turns out too dogshit to post online, "h-hehe, it was just for me a-anyway".
If you mean artists who draw what they'd like to see instead of what zoomers would engage with on social media, then it is true and only the most based artists do it.

I have 3 completed sketch books and folders and folders of sketches, finished pieces and WIPS on my desktop.

The sketch book only gets shown to my gf on occassion if she is around when im sketching or its something that might interest here. Otherwise yes alot of that is just for me or serves as practice. There is a quote from chuck jones that rings true i think,

"Every artist has thousands of bad drawings in them and the only way to get rid of them is to draw them out"

>>7171923
This is not true. It's a generalization. There could be many reasons why an exceptional artist would refrain from posting their work online. Especially nowadays with all the scaping going on.
The most talented/skilled artist have the most to lose in this scenario as they have the exact work these dataminers would love to collect.
As evidenced by the sheer number of professional artists on artstation just up and left when they anounced they'd scrape their work.
The public internet space is but a fraction of the artist community. And especially now we're more fragmented than ever.

I can't tell if I'm improving unless I show others so even though I just draw whatever I feel like, I still need some kind of response from anyone else to know if I'm doing the right thing.

>>7171897
Yeah Anon, I draw because I like it. I also like to show it to other people since many of them tend to like it, but that's not my end goal, never was, never will. I just draw what I like to draw and I want to enjoy what I'm doing.

>>7171897
yeah i besically draw to because it's fun
especially drawing some funny/cute moment from daily life or even more intimate things
and yeah i don't really show these to anyone not that anyone will actually care since it's not some fancy fanart(which i also do sometimes and it can get numbers, but numbers don't do it for me)

>>7176819
like i had pieces making thousands of likes and i literally felt nothing

>>7171897
why would I post my work online? it's fucking mine, you're never getting it

>>7171897
That onee-shota doujin I want isn't going to draw itself

I drew this for myself but I'm very generous and will share it with you. :3

i draw PORN for myself and none will see it but i

>>7177389
Same. The world is not ready for my fetishes

>>7176712
Same. Nobody knows I exist and my art probably couldn't garner an audience if I tried, BUT FUCK YOU NIGGER I DO IT ANYWAYS. I'd like to see any social media noomber brain walk a mile in my irrelevance.

>>7171897
I dont particularly draw for myself but at the end of the day I do because I get less than 5 likes per update.

>don't draw for 2 days
>forgot how to draw
>no ideas whatsoever
>need to create bangers for twitter soon

I started drawing cause i wanted to fit in with a community and have some sort of social interaction before i went full schizoid. But over time i just enjoyed seeing myself improve and just having a nice hobby to occupy myself with

but on this battlefield no one wins!.jpg

>>7171897
I am addicted to my twitter notifications tab and checking other sites for comments on my drawings. I like people saying nice things about them, can't help it.


Is it possible to learn how to draw by watching other people draw stuff?

>>7176125
why don't you do that for a year and see how good you can draw afterwards assshole

ayo whats up with that fuckd up hand grip<br>do japs really draw like that lmao

how the FUCK do they draw tables and chairs without rulers?????

>>7176165
They just do it?
I mean, just look at those lines, they're wobbly as hell. They don't bother with the ruler until it's time to trace over the lines.

>>7176167
ye, I just tried doing it on paper, and it's fairly doable.

Digital is just way harder than trad, I guess

>>7176125
yeah. you can see their technique. but it doesn't matter that much. there's more than one way to do it.
Frankly I hate watching these time lapse videos of drawing. I just want to see the finished artwork.

>>7176141
Permabeg hands typed this post

>>7176125
>Is it possible to get fit by watching other people exercise.

well you can see part of their technique perhaps but if you dont understand how to draw you wont know what they are actually doing and how to emulate it, art is a skill that is based entirely in the physical action of doing that skill and while you can learn that you cant be taught it

>>7176125
I don't think so. Because when you're watching them, you're not seeing what it is they're thinking about as they draw - many have shortened their drawings techniques, or have gotten so good they can skip steps that others would have to take. Some won't need to draw the cross guidelines on the head to place things accurately, others will always need to, but if you try to copy someone who doesn't just because you like their work when you needed to draw those guidelines, your drawings will come out terribly.

That said, you might learn a few little tricks that they use, that you may also find useful, so it's not like it'd be completely detrimental. Just remember that they're like experts in their field, and you shouldn't try skipping steps in learning how to draw by emulating exactly how they draw.

>>7176125
anything to avoid actually picking up a pencil, eh?

>>7176214
no seriously
what the fuck is up with that grip

>>7176125
Only if you study what you see and apply it right after, or follow along.
This anon >>7176266 is right though. Any line placed should have a reasoning behind it, and without experience you won't have that.
If you are going to copy from drawing videos (and you should definitely copy, not just watch), analyze it: ask yourself why they put those lines there, which part of the final drawing does it describe? why did they lay down those lines before the others? Was it just a guideline (shape of head, height of the eyes), or a line that's visible in the final drawing? For example, Japanese artists most of the time start a face drawing with the cheek/jaw/chin line, then go straight to placing facial features. That line isn't just there to be the final line describing the face profile, but they also know at which height along the bumps things like the mouth or the eyes should be, so it doubles up as a guideline. They've also likely studied and practiced drawing heads using all the steps (ball, jaw, lines for eyes/nose/mouth, etc). And are familiar enough to skip ahead, so even if you are going to try and follow along, remember to actually study how to draw on the side from real books to get more insight into what pros are doing that you don't see.

TLDR: Just watch is retarded, watch and copy/apply what you see, try to understand why they are doing the thing they are doing, and study actual how to draw books on the side as supplement.

>>7176278
huh? Thats how you hold a pencil.

Anonymous Mogul

Absolutely.<br>People learn by imitation, it's how we learned our language and pretty much everything in life

Anonymous

Let's see if you can learn something....

https://youtu.be/IvySXlvQEt0?featur<wbr>e=shared

>>7176167
They have cleanup for that those are raw keys

>>7176125
It’s definitely one of the best things you can do to help you figure things out. But no, it won’t teach you how to draw by itself. The only way to learn is to draw.

>>7176319
imitation without doing the thing is just observation

is it possible to get ripped by watching other people lift?

>>7176125
I binge watched a ton of drawing videos when I decided I wanted to learn and when I actually took a pen to try while I was on my job I was actually drawing things better than I had ever done (which was still shit mind you) because I was subconsciously drawing how they did on the videos even thought I hadn't actually practiced anything other than drawing lines and circles for 2 days

>>7176136
>>7176262
>>7176269
>>7176533
Uhh, are you people retarded?
I said "watch to learn", not "watch and nothing else".
It obviously implies you're gonna pick up a pencil and copy how other people draw.

>>7176125
Wait, are those actual kyoani animators?

>>7176533
perception, while not completely irrelevant in lifting, is a markedly insignificant compared to creating art. and through seeing other people create art we can alter/improve our own perception, there's no doubt about that. what the upper limits are are not as easy to say, though.

>>7176540
>THIS
I almost never practice but I like to watch artists drawing for some reason. I did this for years and whenever I draw which is like once per month, my art improves by leaps and bounds because I remember what they did and their tips.
It's like those video games where you have a ghost of the best player and you have to match it

>>7176125
If it's anything like watching someone do 3D, no.

>>7176854
No one's gonna fall for this, crab bro.

>>7176705
ask stupid questions, get stupid answers

Love how nobody talks about the KyoAni animators on the webm.<br>KyoAni animators are quite possibly the very best artists in the world.

>>7177150
Were
A bunch of them died in the arson atack and the studio hasnt made anything good since. The best animators are at Trigger or the freelancers at toei

>>7176141
That's how hold my pencil and tools, too. What is the problem with it?

>>7176125
Yes, but only if you know what you know and understand what they are doing. If you don't then it's would be the equivalent of this:
>>7176262

>>7176709
you must be autistic, those grips look the exact same

>>7176854
So why did you post an unfunny facebook meme instead of a picture that substantiates your claim?

>>7177258
And you must be fucking retarded.
they're clearly not the same. op's retarded hand grip grabs the pencil like a crab while the correct grip uses the thumb to push the pencil into the index finger, which allows drawing with short pencils.

>>7177258
its literally the same grip. In the OP the person is holding it up to the camera to demonstrate.
The other grip is this thing which is an abomination

>>7177035
give stupid answers, get stupid snarky responses

>>7176125
What's the source of the clips?
I want to watch the whole thing

>>7176125
No you stupid fucking retard, you have to close your eyes and hear them

>>7176125
what's that ultralong pencil from the beginning?

>>7177526
It's an extra from KyoAni's Kanon japanese dvds. Look for it as "Kanonのアニメ制作現場密着リポート".

>>7177493
give stupid snarky responses, get pregnant

>>7177750
get pregnant, get undeserved taxpayer's money

>>7177526
What is this psy op that degrade careers. Are techfags that desperate to promote their AI? I have seen the same template with engineer, mathematician, nurse, chef, farmer this week.

>>7176390
This.
When I was a kid/teen I used to just copy manga eyes and draw pictures from imagination, sometimes following a shitty how to draw manga tutorial etc. What levelled me up was watching this random korean artist's speed drawings on youtube when i 13. His youtube channel has been yeeted by I still have a link to his korean blog lol.https://blog.naver.com/belitter<wbr>

I used to just try and construct the way he did. However actually studying shit properly is probably better/just as good.

>>7176125
>watch someone draw
>they faff about trying to come up with a subject
I thought you had to "just draw"? Why are they waiting until they have a good idea?
>watch someone draw
>the sketch was completed beforehand and they just draw over that
complete bullshit, 90% of the drawing was done off screen and the rest is performative

>>7177741
Thanks!

>>7177957
It's a meme, retard boomer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDG<wbr>PnLfH1Io

>>7176262
get physically fit? obviously not
improve your technique somewhat? probably
I remember reading a long time ago about how watching physical activities activates the same parts of the brain that are activated when you perform them yourself
I found this paper in a quick google search
https://www.researchgate.net/public<wbr>ation/359895658_Watch_and_Learn_Ath<wbr>letes_Can_Improve_by_Observing_the_<wbr>Actions_of_Others

>>7176278
my grip is something similar except my index finger is leveled slightly even with the thumb and not under it


How do I come up with good looking and memorable character designs?

>>7176411
put them in a good and memorable setting

>>7176411
They're characters first and designs second. A design is almost worthless without a strong character behind it. Character design is supplementary to the media it is attached to, meaning it can only be as memorable as the media itself.

>>7176438
There's a weird phenomenon you can see for example in the vtuber industry though, where the more appealing character designs will get much stronger initial traction and following, but after a few months if the person behind the avatar is dull it'll stagnate, while the less popular designs, if they have a strong personality behind them, will overtake them.
So yes, you are right that a good character is more important than a good design, but good designs cause a stronger first impression.

>>7176411
This looks like any cheap 90s anime. The only reason it's remembered is because of critics.

>>7176446
Are you retarded? There were no "anime critics" back then, at least not outside of Japan. It's remembered because it's an appealing style and people who grew up with it are fond of it.

>>7176441
I don't remember the names of the Jelly fish girl and that other long haired vtuber girl during a trio livestream.
But I remember Shylily since she is consistently entertaining. Coupled with a good design and I fondly remember her quite well even if I am just a casual vtuber watcher.

>>7176411
Slayers has been forgotten precisely because the character designs are nothing special

>>7176616
>>7176446
Slayers is barely remembered. Only boomers who grew up with it remember it and think it's relevant

>>7176647
The same is true for Frieren or JJK or whatever fotm slop zoomies are consuming now.

>>7176664
You see only what your algorithm caters to you thus your worldview is shaped in its own reality.

>>7176671
Sounds a lot like projection to me. The only way you would think Slayers is "barely remembered" is if your knowledge of anime is driven by the algorithm, because Slayers is no longer "current thing" and won't pop up in your recommended. It is objectively one of the most popular anime from the 90s.

>>7176676

To be honest I have never watched Slayers just like how I've never watched Bocchi Rock despite it getting spammed in my feed every day. There are a lot of shows I have watched and haven't.

>>7176647
>>7176671
What's up with some zoomer weebs having a vendetta against pre-2000 anime?

>>7176411
Start with the back or butt.
https://youtu.be/weIF8rN6crA

>>7176846
Zoomers and boomers both relate to the world through their opposites.
One shat on the other once and now they're locked in an eternal battle to prove which is more pathetic than the other, with boomerfag idolizing the past in spite of its flaws, and zoomerfag personally identifying with new things because he has nothing else.
Both should be turned into soap.

>>7176846
Zoomer weebs are the ones who discover some random super popular work from 30 years ago and act like it's the best thing ever and that everything new is trash. Nostalgia for an era they were never a part of. People who actually lived through that era know how little things have changed.

>>7176411
According to Akira toriyama....

I would say that first you create the personality and history of the character

Then you pick the clothes and hairstyle, then some small details basend on who they are

Lastly you pick colors, 1 main color, 1 secondary and a last one that is for small details like eyes and shit, make sure to pick colors based on its personality "red violent, blue gloomy, yellow active etc"

I would say you study some of pokemon human designs too, they are simple but easy to remember

>>7176644
>>7176647
>"Noooo this is irrelevant because it came out before I was born! might as well not even exist!"
typical narcissist zoomie mindset.

>>7177408
>>7177177
>>7176846
Slayers really isn't remembered though. You can't find Slayers merch anywhere in Japan. American boomers care about and remember Slayers more fondly than actual Japs do. It had a brief moment in the sun in the early 90s, then Evangelion came along and completely wiped it from the world's collective memory and all slayer hype was forgotten. Old IPs like DragonBall and Dungeon Quest and Gundam still have large fanbases in Japan, but Slayers is basically as forgotten as Rose of Versailles and Lodoss War. Sorry boom booms, it's just reality.

>>7177940
>Dungeon Quest
Sorry, I meant Dragon Quest

I know the color scheme isn't visible due to being quick doodles, but would these two work as the main characters of a shounen-esque/adventure/JRPG-like Science fantasy story with more context added?

>>7177940
Why did you reply to a bunch of posts that have nothing to do with what you're saying?

>>7178216
No, it looks more like a western woke animu

>>7176676
>The only way you would think Slayers is "barely remembered" is if your knowledge of anime is driven by the algorithm
The algorithm is driven by what people search.
Jojo and Evangelion are also old, but kids still recognize them and want to watch them because unlike Slayers they have staying power.

>>7178216
They would work for a crunchyroll original

>>7178222
To mess with boomers, autists and OCDlets.
>>7178241
This all day. The only people who still think Slayers is relevant are boomers who started watching anime with Ranma English dubs. Dragon Quest, DragonBall, Jojo and Evangelion meanwhile from the same era have lasted the test of time while Slayers is forgotten. The influence of Slayers on modern manga and anime is also very small. Japs don't care about it either.

>>7178489
That's ironically a good thing if some anime are forgotten. Some good gems deserve to stay out of zoomers eyes.

>>7178499
This. Zoomers are an entire generation of normgroids. Boomers should take on a gate keeping mindset. Let them have the sloppa. Encourage bad and ugly art outside of your wizardry spaces.

>>7176446
Bullshit. I got into Slayers recebtly and the entire reason it got my attention was because of Lina's and Naga's design. They look so lively and colorful. Good design

>>7178216
maybe. how about you get off your fat arse for once and try making your damn comic and seeing if you get any fucking eyes on it? fuck off gabe.

>>7178519
You talkin to him or yourself?

>>7176411
I feel like making memorable/good character designs is like winning the lottery. If you're doing something cartoonish is certainly easier to make your characters stand out. But on a more grounded story it will be hard

>>7176411
I know the secret to good character design. But I'm not going to give you that information for free.

>>7178527
>I feel like making memorable/good character designs is like winning the lottery
Do you also feel like winning a chess tournament is like winning the lottery? How about winning the Tour de France? These things take skill and effort, it's not a game of chance. You can influence the results, that by definition makes it nothing like the lottery. Designing a character that stands out, even a more grounded design, takes skill and knowledge. Both things that you have influence over. It's not going to happen out of sheer luck, you're never ever going to make something good AND memorable just by flailing randomly until you get lucky.
Don't teach yourself to be helpless by telling yourself that it's all luck of the draw. All you're doing is kneecapping any potential you have.


Which looks better?

Which of these two picture looks better?
this one? (the original)
ore the second one?
I'm trying to find a style that makes my pictures taken from my shit camera look better. Any tips on how to improve?

this is the edited one.<br>it is compressed though

>>7179564
I prefer the original
also >>>/p/

>>7179564
I feel like that yellow filter is so strong that it takes a lot of different colors and forces everything into a yellow tone if that makes sense. I haven't used a color picker on it but I'm sure if you did you'd see this happening. Now in photography I understand the appeal of filter to emphasise a certain mood.
In this particular case though the unedited image is much more appealing to me.
The yellow looks unatural and less interesting

>>7179564
What country is this? You have interesting plants.

>>7179564
>>7179565
op do you live in siberia or something what fantasy land is this