Can I please get an alternative to this?

>>7169188
Okay maybe I should have been more specific: Can I get an easy alternative for a literal autist?

>>7169181
>>7169202
You need to be even more specific: what issues are you encountering exactly? What are you expecting? It's like going to the computer guy and telling him:
> My computer doesn't work
> Okay maybe I should have been more specific: it's a PC

Both those books are rather elementary and quite clear as far as I remember.

>>7169235
>what issues are you encountering exactly?
I have the most piss poor art skills possible and these books obviously never factored someone like me using them.
Seriously these are "elementary" only for people who at least have basic art knowledge.

>>7169202
the art and science of drawing by brent eviston. there's a book and a video course

>>7169306
>Seriously these are "elementary" only for people who at least have basic art knowledge.
Dude...Keys to Drawing is about as entry level as it gets. You can also always try Draw A Box.

>hurrr i'm to autist
you're not autistic, you're a retarded zoomer

>>7169306
>basic art knowledge.
there's no such thing as art knowledge. There's only feeling, intuition, and a sense for form. FEEL the form

>>7169343
>Keys to Drawing is about as entry level as it gets
Right that's why they expect to you to draw a hand on the second lesson. Very entry level stuff.
>>7169346
Cool maybe recommend books for a retard then
>>7169347
You got any actual good advice thats not psuedophiloshopical ramblings

>>7169420
>Right that's why they expect to you to draw a hand on the second lesson. Very entry level stuff.
see, now you get it

>>7169347
>now you need feeling and intuition
I didn't sign up for this. whats next, I need to experience love too?

>>7169420
>>7169433
Observation leads to perception, and perception leads to feeling. Feeling leads to sensitivity, and sensitivity leads to drawing.

It's all one flow.

>>7169420
>Right that's why they expect to you to draw a hand on the second lesson. Very entry level stuff.
You're missing the point of the exercise/the book. The book does not expect you to produce a good looking drawing in that exercise (or any exercise). The *entire* point of the book is to get you to start drawing from observation instead of drawing what you *think* you should be drawing (symbols). The book literally says it doesn't expect you to produce good looking results. And if you get hung up on the fact that your art sucks, you're never going to draw, and you're never going to get better.

>>7169447
>>7169420
In other words, read *all* the words in the book. Not just the part where there are exercises.

>>7169447
>The book does not expect you to produce a good looking drawing in that exercise
Cool so why does everyone just mock me then whenever I post my results then?
If it doesn't matter if it's bad that shouldn't happen right?
>>7169448
I am reading the words. I understand what it's trying to say.
My art still looks like utter shit.

drawing for the absolute and utter beginner might be an easier option, or download brent eviston video course from ic torrent. it starts with basic shapes and after a few days you'll be drawing a kickass bird

I don't like ktd either because the guy wants you to draw the entire silhouette of your subject and then work the inside wtf

>>7169456
>Cool so why does everyone just mock me then whenever I post my results then?
Bro you're on 4chan. Join the Draw A Box Discord server if you want people to tell you your shit looks good regardless of what it actually looks like.

>>7169456
>I am reading the words. I understand what it's trying to say
>My art still looks like utter shit
protip: intellectual/logical understanding =/= perceptual & coordination skills

>>7169181
There's literally nothing simpler than this.

Okay gotta remind myself: Respond calmly.
>>7169458
Yeah but I want actual criticism, like people telling me exactly what I did wrong.
>>7169461
Yes I believe I already I was a an autist.
>>7169457
God I always have those two in the back of my mind but for whatever reason I keep going back to KtD. I don't even know why.
>>7169478
>Manga is a language of symbols
You know what that quote kinda describes what might be my problem. I wanna do manga/cartoons but most of the basic learn to draw books seem more slanted to non-symbol drawing as it were. So my results are more reflective of what I want vs what the books want.

>>7169523
I'm gonna assume you're just extremely naive/young/stupid or all of the above. To draw appealing symbols and shapes you have to learn to draw from life and from observation. If you try to to skip over this part you're going to end up with some chris-chan tier abominations and you're never going to improve.

If you want to draw manga characters you'll have to learn how to draw the human figure, how to draw faces, how to draw clothes, at the very minimum. Either start paying attention to the book (or whatever book you want) or go the AI route because otherwise it's not going to work.

>>7169523
>like people telling me exactly what I did wrong
Then you're gonna have to grow a thicker skin and sift through all the dipshits who are just telling you to kill yourself instead of contributing anything of worth around here.

>>7169523
>most of the basic learn to draw books seem more slanted to non-symbol drawing as it were.
That is the problem.
"Drawing from life" is pretty much impossible without a way to simplify what you see beforehand, and symbols are a ready-made solution for that problem.
You're supposed to learn first by copying drawings, then applying that knowledge to draw from life, then create new drawings using everything you learned so far.

Here's the basic drawing loop by ex-Ghibli animator Yasuo Muroi.

>>7169545
>If you want to draw manga characters you'll have to learn how to draw the human figure, how to draw faces, how to draw clothes, at the very minimum.
This is bullshit.
If you wanna learn how to draw manga characters you begin by literally copying manga characters stroke-by-stroke.

>>7169545
>>7169548
Some conflicting opinions I see. It's probably bias but I'm leaning towards 2nd anon
>>7169546
Unfortunately it feels like there's like one person doing that usually. Still, I am trying to listen to the real criticism
>>7169554
Okay what would recommend then, I'll take anything.

Literally just use AI. You clearly don't want to learn to draw.

You're probably just trolling too, samefagging probably.

>>7169570
>Okay what would recommend then, I'll take anything.
You've been given lots of options so far.

>>7169306
>>what issues are you encountering exactly?
>I have the most piss poor art skills possible and these books obviously never factored someone like me using them.

That's *NOT* a description of the issues you're encountering that can help us understand what's happening.

Either you're baiting, or you have serious communication issues. Assuming the latter, no other book will ever be good enough for you:the solution is to work on yourself. Nobody can solve a problem they don't understand: you have to learn to clearly express the problems you're having. Saying
> but I suck bro
brings nothing to the table.

It's like some asking you
> are you feeling alright?
and you'd answer
> I feel something
instead of
> my dog died yesterday, I barely slept last night and I drunk a lot

>>7169181
>Drawing from observation : an introduction to perceptual drawing
http://lemenaid.com/fundamentals/
Check anna's for the file

>>7169579
How else am I supposed to describe my problem? My arts shit and no matter how hard I try nothing seems to improve it in the slightest. How the hell do I work on that?

>>7169818
I'm telling you this sincerely, give up. Go take up a different hobby that makes intuitive sense to you. I'm not trying to be mean, but you will never be able to learn to draw.
Mentally, you don't have it in you just like somebody with no legs will never be marathon runner. You'll save yourself a lot of frustration and mindless internet arguments.

This book sucks lol
"Do a master copy when you've never drawn anything before!"
"Draw your feet as if it would be possible for you to hold completely still during the process!"
Dodson is a schizo

>>7169836
... you can't keep your feet still?

>>7169818
>How else am I supposed to describe my problem? My arts shit and no matter how hard I try nothing seems to improve it in the slightest.
Isn't posting your work a good start? If you see no improvements, it means you're expecting some improvements, which means you understand what needs to be improved.

When you go to the doctor and you tell him
> I don't feel good
What do you expect? He's going to ask you:
> How so? Do you have a headache? A stomachache? How long has it been? What have you ate recently? Have you traveled to weird countries? Let me take your temperature

Anyway, that's the last message from me; you're most likely baiting, and would otherwise be too stubborn to be helped efficiently. Work on yourself, try to make yourself clearer, put yourself in other's shoes: how would *you* help someone who comes to you with a mere
> my drawing looks like shit, help me, help me, help me

>>7169306
You're just comparing yourself to the examples. Do the assignments as described and only worry about what you make and how you arrived there.

>>7169181
accuracy by dorien iten, it's free and pretty concise

>>7169827
But I don't want to give up, the few times I decided to draw whatever I actually wanted and not what some book says to draw I had legitimately fun.
>>7169849
Look I'm not baiting, my arts not good. I don't how to do depth, perspective etc. Meanwhile everybody else who's using this book seems to have the knowledge already ingrained. I'm confused as hell and don't know what to do.
>>7169864
Oh it's that glasses thing I see posted every now and again.
Well it is something different, I'll take a look at it.

>>7169986
I'll bite again.

>my arts not good
Don't hesitate to post it, that'll help for sure. A doctor needs to look into your mouth, ears, listen to your heart, etc. to get an idea of what issue you actually have.

>>7169986
>I don't how to do depth, perspective
What have you tried?

> I'm confused as hell and don't know what to do.
Basically like this:
https://lmgtfy.click/?q=add%20depth<wbr>%20drawing
https://lmgtfy.click/?q=basic%20per<wbr>spective%20drawing

Every time you hit a roadblock, you identify what the roadblock is (e.g. "perspective") and you look for online ressources to complement your current understanding. Watching videos or reading tutorials is useless by itself:you need to study along seriously, meaning, you need to draw, and make a conscious effort to learn, as one is theoretically expected to do at school.

Spending 2h to study a 10min video isn't far-fetched. Like, many Marco Bucci's videos are packed with good stuff, but unless you're already proficient, you won't get much out of them, unless you spend many hours, way more than 2h, on each.

Either keep practicing the exercises until you improve or give up on drawing you useless fucking whiny retard.

Fuck you.

>>7170058
>Don't hesitate to post it, that'll help for sure
Alright....Pls don't mock I know it's very /beg/ tier.
I've posted this before in a couple other threads. I got one actual good critique and one "dude ktd lmao".

>>7170117
>Alright....Pls don't mock I know it's very /beg/ tier.
Every one starts as a beg... It' is, honestly, not so bad: the overall proportions and the face are working.

The fingers look like penises, but hands are probably the most challenging body part, so don't sweat it.

There's not much depth or perspective involved here; those are more relevant when there's a background.

That being said, you could have slightly lighten the dark shirt, so as to make its contour lines more apparent: you could then have used those lines to create overlaps:that's one technique used to create depth.

Just keep at it. Try to be more regular and tidier, you'll get better.

As a technical exercise to do on the side, try to learn how to draw cubes in perspective. It's basic but very useful.

>>7169846
I can, and I can correct for any discrepancies because I have patience and experience. Things I wouldn't expect from a /beg/

>>7170015
Yeah but some things are moreso than others, having a /beg/ do what is essentially a life drawing of one of the more difficult anatomical features is just silly. The book isn't all bad but it starts off on a bad "foot" imho

>>7170134
IDK really know how contour lines work not gonna lie, think maybe that'll be what I study next.
Thanks for the advice.

>>7170279
>IDK really know how contour lines work not gonna lie, think maybe that'll be what I study next.
Look at mangas closely and how they use line: overlaps, or "T-line", can be used to indicate whether something is in front or behind something else

>>7170150
The funny thing is I had barely any trouble doing the shoe/foot drawing. It's everything afterwards that seems to give me trouble
>>7170327
I think I get you. But obviously I am gonna study it more in depth.

>>7169202
you finish it to finish it, don't worry if your drawings are still ugly if you're following the directions, you're learning. drawing is a marathon not a sprint >>7169188
just do the workbook

>>7170150
>having a /beg/ do what is essentially a life drawing of one of the more difficult anatomical features is just silly
he certainly could've been more explicit about the parameters for the study, but in his own example he doesn't draw actual feet but shoes - which are oriented (and advised in the study to be oriented) in such a way that there's hardly any three-dimensionality to them. it's mostly a basic study of contour, not an academic study of the anatomy of the feet. you can argue about simpler beginner studies till the cows come home, but an additional benefit of the study is that your feet/shoes are with you, tangible, immediate. something too simple can also turn off students: you want something challenging yet realistically doable. it's a good way to get a student to start thinking that they can draw anything they happen to see without knowing a bunch of complex techniques or theory. that's probably the #1 benefit I got out of KtD; I don't feel like I need construction to do observational drawing.

>>7170439
>he posted *THEIR* work
I'm nb, please refer to me as such.
Thanks! ;)

>>7169188
>>7170431
How crucial is the workbook?

>>7170431
Okay but I'm probably gonna use the other ones that got recommended

>>7170439
>an anon makes ONE singular drawing
>/ic/ applauds
how low have our standards fallen?

>>7170956
When we started to applaud the retards and mediocracy instead of shaming it.

>>7170956
Okay I'll go back whining and not drawing then if you'd prefer

>>7169181
I hate the book personally and just grind bridgeman and loomis

>>7170956
>how low have our standsards fallen?
they were never high to begin with
>>7171045
>I hate the book personally
why?

>>7171053
Not because of the content of the book mind you, it has a bunch of useful information, but thats all it should be for identifying problems and solutions through your art journey, i hate the book because howies all buy the book and fucking spam threads about it being hard or asking for help with it.

>>7171086
>I hate [thing]
>why do you hate [thing]?
>[thing] itself is good, but people who consume [thing] are bad, therefore I hate [thing]
I don't get why people do this

Just take some figure drawing classes at your local school or art center OP.<br>Not one single person in this thread knows what they are talking about.

>>7171275
I would but so far they all seem a bit pricey.

>>7171275
>go to life drawing class
>its a 50 minute drive
>arrive 20 minutes late
>stuck behind 2 rows of people with gigantic drawing pads blocking the model
>the model is an overweight elderly man
>give up when i realize none of this will help me draw anime girls from imagination

>>7171312
fucking retard. just put on a black jumpsuit, set up your easel outside of your neighbors' bedroom window, and draw then while they have sex.

>>7171315
my neighbour isn't married but fucks an onahole every night. Will that be the same?

>>7171326
the same, no, but one figure is better than none

>>7170774
it just gives structure to the lessons for information that has mostly been debunked as pseudo-science. despite that the exercises do work even if the science is shootty
art can be a science but its also something you have to have faith in

if you dont think something is important you won't learn it

>>7171298
It's absoulutely worth it OP. Figure drawing distills just about every art fundamental in to a single exercise and you can apply the skills you learn into creative art immediately.

>>7171348
I'm mostly saying that because I'm still not quite sure if drawings for me, wouldn't want to waste money on something I may not want to do.
BTW for one of the other anons, I've been going through Drawing For The Absolute And Utter Beginner and I'm starting to see what you meant about the contour lines


Anonymous

tell me what u think or ask me questions
I made dis. :-)

https://youtu.be/jT8mfJqMVLs?si=f6U<wbr>ZLCW3q7iyYAs0

>>7169150
i already watched it a year ago. its good

>>7169150
Pretty good, anon. You have a sense for pacing. I also liked the little details such as the creases the door rails made in the character's feet and the reflection of the brake lights in his eyes

The fact that the highway is a one way, people only leaving from the stand point of the viewer, none approaching. What does that mean to you?

I liked it, you do pretty good job of establishing a mood and the framing of the scenes really help

Pretty good shit anon, I have nothing bad to say about it. Let's spread some positivity today, aye?

>>7171084
I just like the way brake lights glow at night. Growing up next to a highway, u see it a lot and it's a strange feeling. Everyone headed in the same direction.


How do you cope with the feeling of being trash at art even If it isn't true?

>>7169214
how do you cope being a faggot

>>7169218
Let me tell you anon that I'm not homosexual.

>>7169223
Is that what you do or are you good?

>>7169233
im good but i also am not good compared to what i want to be so i draw more because i want to be really good
the method is just wanting to get better so much that not being good becomes a motivating factor (wacked mindset idk if it will work for everyone but it has worked well for me)

>>7169237
I lowkey have a similar mindset so its good knowing I'm not the only one in that.
Its just that sometimes it feels like my objectives are unreachable because Im aiming at professional works that are done by a lot of very skilled artists and Im just 1 guy that tries.

>>7169214
At this point its just sunk cost fallacy. That is about the only thing keeping me going.
Either I get good enough to feel a modicum of anything but (well-deserved) disgust when i look at the drivel that I secrete from my fat little fingers, or I brighten the greater artistic community by spilling my putrid, fly-blown excuse of a mind across my living room with a shotgun.
Really looking like the latter at this point, to be honest with you senpai-a-lam.

>>7169214
Haven’t felt that way in years, but i would say those feelings have a lot of truth in them.
You probably aren’t good, use those feeling to double up your efforts and work harder towards ur goals


What's a good way to toughen up as an artist?

I've been an artist my whole life really and I feel like that lifestyle made me soft. Sitting at a computer all day, just drawing shit for clients, all my colleagues/friends are soiboys or women, I don't want to be like them. How can I balance my artistic endeavors with being properly tough?

>>7169243
work out you absolute fucking retard

>>7169249
I do work out but that's not enough

>>7169243
read hemingway + bukowski and copy frazetta

>>7169243
Get into fist fights with homeless women at night

>>7169243
you're posting on 4chin instead of already doing something about it, wtf are you expecting to happen

>>7169243
a real artist mostly needs strong hands. you need one of these bad boys.
5 sets every 5 hours of 100 repetitions.

>>7169263
work more.
Seriously people these days are dumber and dumber every second

>>7169243
Work in construction just like Huston.


>>7169327
heretic, religious garbage? Sure.

>>7169327
Anything is achievable if you've got no life.


>everyone uses AI to make high quality emotes and reactions now
My job as an emote artist is under attack

>job as an emote artist
You were already scrapping the barrel nigger, why did you think you were special
it's like you are a "chibi artist" or "rpg portrait artist", your job was already monkey work prone to automation BEFORE AI
You just used a template for shit and twik stuff here and there
Oh yeah "your character here artist" as well. It's basically the same """artist job"""" with different names

>>7169361
hmmmmmm go back to college, learn some other craft, in the meantime, enjoy doing your art from the love of your spirit, or get lucky enough to carve a niche for yourself, still possible, i hate AI art personally it destroys pinterest

How come AI is good enough to take people's jobs but it still draws my waifu like this? Its so soulless. And even THIS is asking a lot and takes an annoying amount of work to achieve. AI is so gay.

>>7169445
based encourager
>>7169361
do something the AI can't do yet and keep quiet about it.

>>7169361
no it's not. as long as there are people against ai, you will have a job. now stop being a bitch

>>7169361
>everyone uses AI to make high quality emotes and reactions now
Do they? Emotes have to work at very small dimensions, and I feel like AI wouldn't handle that well. Are there any examples of people using AI emotes?

>>7169361
There are people that prefer organic, cage free eggs and there are people who prefer eggs laid by caged chickens. It's the same with art.

>>7169361
>>7169866
the problem with AI is that you do not have control over the art that you are creating, AI just takes a lot of data and mix them to create a new artwork.
When you have control you can change a lot of things in your art

>>7169866
seems like Midjourney doesn't even know who Pepe the frog is, you can fix this attaching a reference but like I said before you will lack of control and quality and if you want animated emotes you definitely will need artists skills.
prompt:
emote, RPG, 8 bit pixel art, smile, white background, pepe the frog meme

>>7169926
it knows but pepe is censored from most AI generator because its associated to far right and shit by normies

>>7169361
>My job as an emote artist is under attack
Get a less useless job. Adapt or perish

>>7169917
You can get an AI image then just paint over the parts you don't like lol

>>7169917
>>7169926
These both seem shit, if not bland I'm getting the feeling that OP is just a AI shitter who was starting yet another AI thread, because this doesn't seem like something that would effect emote jobs.

>>7169361
Cutest thread on /ic/ right now.

>>7169934
Yeah, that’s my point. Painting is something that an artist does. Most people who create things with AI don’t even take the time to paint or draw.

>>7169928
>>7169935
Yeah, that’s another problem with AI: censorship. You obviously cannot create something that is too gory, sexual, or politically incorrect because they will ban you, unless you are using stable diffusion. However, you need to train a lot of data and have a decent PC, because AI will definitely consume your RAM and CPU. Even with that, you will get repetitive artworks that look too similar. I think your job will be fine. Just focus on creating something that no one else does, like animated emotes, or very high-quality artworks. Use AI as a reference and you will be fine, man.

>>7169947
So the artist who uses AI and can paint and make changes to it will be victorious

>>7169971
You as an artist can use AI or other things as references. That’s your own personal choice. Your success as an artist depends on your marketing skills, how you can make your art very valuable and unique. Innovation is key too, and choosing a niche is important

>>7169361
Hello saar, please do the kind next time do not type AI in OP, it makes the fooling of americans to dificult!

>>7169917
this shit is creepy as fuck, looks like eyes within eye slits.

>>7169971
An artist who can paint doesn't need AI, especially not to draw an emote

>>7171606
Actually, drawing + digital skills + AI is very powerful. The artist makes his tools work.

>>7171830
Yeah, this is the future most likely. Artists will likely begrudgingly accept it, and AI bros will realise no one gives a shit about their slop and move on to the next thing.
This is assuming that one of the lawsuits doesn't blow the ass out of the AI companies, or that they don't collapse financially (also a real possibility currently, they're all running at a loss I believe).

>>7171899
>collapse financially (also a real possibility currently, they're all running at a loss I believe).
Silicon Valley venture cap plays the long game. Frontiersmen get an arrow in the back. Some later pioneers will make it, though. Google, Meta, Apple, Nvidia, Microsoft are doing fine.

>>7171830
Absolute retarded take, if you could draw or paint you'd know AI is completely useless to us artists.

>>7171950
Future art historians will remember your bold manifesto.


How bad is it to completely copy the art style of an artist you like?

>>7169432
it's like, really really really bad. like, really bad. seriously.

>>7169432
you will die immediately if you do that

>>7169432
Just do it, chances are you won't master their art and will eventually develop your own artstyle as a consequence

>>7169432
Not really that bad. Copying styles you like is how a lot of people end up eventually finding their own style, because it spawns from differences you do compared to the artist you're trying to copy.

>>7169432
Bad on a professional level, but fine if you're a hobbyist. Eventually - so long as you're not continuously actively trying to ape the artist's style - you'll form your own style.

>>7169432
According to /ic/ it's just as bad as Ai copying the artstyle of an artist somebody likes.

>>7169816
>>7169982
this
it's a master study
btw tracing is fine, too, as long as you are doing it to learn and not to more quickly shit out more products to be consumed

Master Wang

>>7169432
It works for the Japanese.
The beauty of it is, eventually your own subtle details and nuiances will give birth to YOUR style.
Look at Araki for example, the first parts of Jojo were just Fist of the Northstar with wack ass anatomy.


Anonymous

Post art book/tutorial pages/screenshots without context

artstation_15598732_62133852_lips are inside-out oral mucosa.jpg


Social Media & Monetization

I know art in general isn't in the best place when it comes to monetization thanks to things like AI and all, but something that's still making tons of revenue online is content creation, mainly videos and stuff, but social media as a whole. I've never been more than a hobby artist, but I'd like to use my art as a side hustle, though commissions now seem like they wouldn't cut it alone, so I want to make content, videos of timelapses and/or some lessons of what I know perhaps. I know now the main platforms for art are Instagram and Twitter, while for videos it's YouTube and TikTok, anyone here have any experience on any of these at all?

>How does monetization work between them?
>Which one is best for a hobbyist to have at all?
>Which is the quickest to get monetized in still?
>Are any of 'em more unreliable than the others?

I'm thinking of making videos and content for all of them on the side, though I've never done it at all before, and have no idea of what it takes for a real shot at getting monetized, not famous, just a bit of extra money for the month doing a task I don't find too troublesome or difficult. Are there any general tips and words of advice I should be hearing before doing any of this? I know that the chances of me losing motivation and giving up early are high, but I've got a drive and a part of me wants to at least try this out before giving up on the idea altogether. I feel like I could help out a bit too, we can always teach something we do.

>>7169490
You need to be popular first on certain niche to be able to monetize


>random coworker tells me he's an artist
>Ask him about his work which he proudly shows
>I tell him that I'm also an artist and show him mine knowing it mogs his to kingdom come
>He treats me coldly every single time we've interacted afterwards

>be me
>autistic dunning kruger
>have artist friends at college
>mistakenly believe I'm much better than them
>send them resources like Loomis, Bridgman, and Glenn vilppu
>constnatly redlining their work
>they all eventually ghost me
>have no friends now

>be me
>first day of class
>choose a table to get grouped into
>everyone gets bored during lecture and starts doodling on their notes
>every single one of them mog me
>during break time I tell them they're good and if they're art students
>none of them have ever studied or even taken art seriously except for one architecture student

>>7169511
I'm at artist too . when I take a dump that is. it may be smelly , but its art.

>>7169511
I almost never tell "artists" irl that I do art because of just how significantly I am better at it than them.

congrats you're an asshole. Get some social skills. If someone is clearly much worse than you you just compliment them and don't show yours unless asked you autistic moron

>>7170388
and to do it to someone you work with every day is super duper double nigger stupid. You just traded a small moment of smug nerd pleasure for the rest of your time working amiably with someone god how dumb can you be stop taking social cues from 4chan


How do i get better at drawing legs. Or cheats and simplification

Bridgman copies, I need a resource for feet though. Bridge has like 4 unusable pages on feet and I don't know other good resources.

>>7169578
copy photos of legs in different poses, study and understand the muscles/bones will help with construction from memory

>>7169582
Im too lazy to go into medibang and cap to make the image a layer to trace it. How do i do it faster....

>>7169578
Whatever you do, DON'T draw more legs, it will only make you worse. Try your hardest to find shortcuts, because once you do, you will be better and more efficient than everyone else I PROMISE.

>>7169587
kys and hope for better stats in your next run

>>7169581
Same. And morpho feet aren't suckable.

I need an artist who can draw cute feet.


>>7169630
>safe edgy
>algorithm punk
>scrimblo irony
>bisexual rage comics
Why do I fucking hate these names so much, why do they feel so incredibly obnoxious?

>>7169712
Because you're a bisexual scrimblo algortithm punk.
Verry safe edgy of you.

>>7169714
Stop that. Stop that right now.

>>7169625
>permapromptlet cant even prompt this style
lel

>>7169948
Half the memes we use are random japanese shit, who cares?

>>7170030
soul generation vs souless zoomer generation

>>7170043
Hold on, am I soul and you're souless, or am I souless and you're soul?
Depending on your answer, I'm coming to your house to either kiss you on the cheek, or kick you in the nuts.

>>7169625
>algojacker
>’gagement scribble
>MsPaint punk
>softcore contra
>skrunlee monkey
and best of all, “creatively bankrupt nigger faggot”

>>7169625
Twitter.

>>7169630
is right about it being Safe Edgy, though. It's almost the textbook example.

>>7169625
Someone made one good image and started milking the soul out of it, it's actually disgusting

It's so sloppy and shitty, and unnecessary

Hey guys heres this relatable situation! Haven't you all been in it? Here's my shitty overused slop that is exactly what that relatable situation entails! No subtly and/or nuance here! This isn't even a joke they just get straight to that point

>>7169630
this post reeks of forced contrarianism

>>7174224
forced contrarianism problematic racist ludo narrative dissonance pretentious bigoted transphobic touch grass fr ong bussin let him cook lil bro she/they/theirs stanley cup it's giving sus amongus love that for you stan incel no cap

>>7169625
I call it anal prolapse renaissance or APR art

>>7174818
>Ludo narrative dissonance
I've heard this term literally once in my life before today.

>>7169625

>Slop
>Easy to make.
>Always get 30k likes on twitter.
>Are used for mock serious arguments.

There is many, many people on twitter that make this kind of trash, my guess is this kind of images get more attention than just a normal post it's not even about the art.

>>7169625
dogshit, and not even the visually appealing kind of dogshit, just all around dogshit


Do I really need to buy 12 different books if I want to begin drawing?

>>7169675
Ordinarily I'd say no, but since you don't have the mental capacity to work that out yourself, I think you in particular need those 12 different books.

>>7169675
yes, but dont forget to buy a brain first

What is the Final Solution to the Howie Question?


British people will tell you with a straight face this is a good painting

>>7169758
i like it desu, it could've been much better without the ultra realistic splotchy skin

>>7169949
Satan is a jewish fairytale character

>>7169758
this painting is really cool
This dude's reputation is basically some old ghoul who probably eats children
The painter took that repution, he draped charles in a vortex of chaos that either looks like hellfire or screaming souls, but he painted his face and hands in a soothing, earthly tone. Charle's demeanor/body language is gentle and the butterfly is such a great detail, as it's unbothered by the madness happening around Charles, like it's not really there, it's just an illusion.
This painting goes so far to try and humanize charles, it's pretty genius, it's the single best thing I've ever seen about that guy, it almost convinces me he's a nice person.
Also this painting's intensity would probably explode the brain of a victorian peasant and that's also pretty cool to me

>>7169949
this is why tasteful abstraction in art is so powerful, it allows the human mind to find patterns that aren't really there

>>7169955
good analysis, made me appreciate the painting more

>>7169758
>How do i achieve this level of colour mastery?
You don't want to know.
Replace -colour- for -EVIL- and you may be into something right there...

>>7169949
>something something heil satan
>preparing to destroy the child

>>7169955
I wasn't big on this painting but you make a good case for it

>>7169758
hands could yuse some work, they look like sausage fingers, pose is a little boring and/or asymmetrical or off balance, seems tilted to the right , details a little half assed

8/10 for SOVL

>>7171816
>hands could yuse some work, they look like sausage fingers
that's what his fingers look like irl

>>7169758
>cheats on Princess Di
>racist treatment of daughter-in-law
>disowns son Harry
>dying of cancer
>portrait painter paints "Prince Charles in Hell"
lol

>>7171822
Good artists makes portraits lifelike, but a really great artists makes them even better.

>>7171848
Making the subject more conventionally attractive doesn't make it more artistic, it most cases it just makes him look banal.

Obvious nepotism, Yeo is straight garbage and probably outsourced the face and just shat red on the rest of it
>took 3 years to make!
LMAO

Should have hired a real portrait painter, but then again, any real artist would never work for those aristoghouls.

>>7169949
>Be Satan Worshiping Painter
>Commissioned to paint royal portrait
>Idea!
>Paint in very obvious devil
>...if the painting is viewed upside down, alongside a flipped symmetrical version, and you squint your eyes a bit
>Satan's teachings are now further widespread
I know your not actually saying this is the case, but the amount of people who see subtle shit like your picrel, and assume it must have been intentional is insane.

>>7171866
What's going on above the dog's hind legs, and below the girl's hand holding the dog? It looks like it's meant to where the leg starts, but it's horribly wrong, and it doesn't look like the line between the hairy back and the hairless tummy of the dog, so what am I looking at there?

>>7171903
it's just the torso of the dog bro, i think the patterned spots are throwing you off

>>7169954
>fairytale
You wish

>>7169758
It's a basic analogous color scheme. Start by making color studies from it.

>>7171935
Oh! You're totally right, I can see it now.
I've gotta say though, even now knowing what it is, it looks wrong. I think the spot underneath her hand was a bad choice.

>>7171951
>>7171854
who invited all the christkikes?

>>7171953
It's a portrait, which means the painter needs to keep the likeness of the subject. Changing around their features would change the identity of the subject. The dog is not a prop.

>>7171903
you're right, what on earth is this shape? if it's its leg the dog is being held in a very awkward way.
>>7171935
you think this part is just a fur pattern? i'm not seeing it

>>7171966
Yeah, that's also what I see, glad I'm not the only one.
However, the anon is right, look underneath her hand, that's a spot - it seems to create a weird illusion where you see that kidney bean shape.

>>7171962
I get you, but there must have been something better than what they did. If it doesn't look right, it doesn't look right.

>>7171951
>You wish
I wish he was real, imagine all the christcucks he'd be raping right now in hell

>>7171960
>>7172157
Not a Christian, nor a Jew, nor a Muslim. Oh, why must ignorance rhyme with arrogance.

>>7171903
it’s the fur pattern anon and part of its thigh. The dog is a whippet and they have a very distinct tuck up of their abdomen and a deep chest. I hope this helps you see how it works.

>t. owns four whippets currently

>>7172157
You'll grow up eventually. Hopefully.

>>7172195
Christianity is growing up to become a finely extinct cult.

>>7169758
>quinacridone and alizarin
Repulsive

>>7172201
probably.

that's certain for atheism though, and at an even faster rate. atheists are the bitterest, often meanest, and saddest of all humans; evolution will take care of that, shouldn't it? they live in their tiny bubble, unaware of the world around them.

>>7172201
That's assumedly an illustration of blood libel, which is Judaism not Christianity you moron.

>>7172229
christianity is judaism-lite. all stem from the same abrahamic nonsense

>>7172231
I can tell by the way that you speak about these things that you have almost zero knowledge about theism outside of the most surface level materialist "flying spaghetti monster" reddit takes. I'd bet that the thing you base your personality on resisting bears little to no resemblance to reality.

>>7172228
>and at an even faster rate
Opposite according to global stats. Atheism is steadily increasing, especially in the most developed countries. Religious people tend to live in filth and poverty.

>>7172229
Jesus has been under that little knife too.

>>7172244
> [atheist] live in their tiny bubble, unaware of the world around them.
that is to be understood, in space and in time:

>Opposite according to global stats.
theism has been ubiquitous since basically forever. the time periods of those "global stats" are still largely insignificant in comparison (50 years vs. 5k, 10k?).

>Religious people tend to live in filth and poverty
tell that to the Vatican, to *all* the kings, emperors and noblemen of old of all civilizations, etc.

most atheists would kill themselves or quickly come to believe if they were experiencing harsher living conditions, don't you think? let's not invert the causality.

do you think the current trends indicate the world getting less harsh? what is to be concluded then?

>>7172314
>b-but we wuz kangz
Times have changed. Keep getting lost in the past while history leaves you behind.
The modern Vatican also has nothing to do with faith. We currently have a leftist pope who endorses gay couples.
>most atheists would kill themselves or quickly come to believe if they were experiencing harsher living conditions, don't you think?
But here >>7172228 you said that they're already bitter and miserable. Clearly atheism can survive in the face of hardship.
>do you think the current trends indicate the world getting less harsh?
Literacy, education, medicine, technology, food abundance and prosperity are at their historical peak. We're even starting to develop some ecological awareness. Even in the face of current wars I'd say we're living better lives than the people of the dark ages.

>>7169955
>and the butterfly is such a great detail
yes the pedo mk ultra monarch butterfly is a great detail indeed. Im sure whole reddit is gasping at how heckin quirky wholesome that painting is.

>>7172364
you have /pol/ brainrot. touch grass

>>7172323
>Times have changed. Keep getting lost in the past while history leaves you behind.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Don't overestimate your erudition: this was taught 2500 years ago, but despite all the "progress" we've made since then, the average man still can't grasp it.

I won't comment further. Not everyone is willing to look in-depth in the current state of affairs. Amusingly, that same psychological flaw appears among those shallow religious people.

You're one of those who will see his world view shattered by time, mark my words. Hopefully for you, it'll come gradually, and won't be too brutal. And hopefully, it'll humble you.

You really are living in a little bubble.

>>7172381
touch grass fr lil bro, your conspiracies... uuuhhh its giving problematic? sksksksfdsks. Log off sis

>>7172364
i dont care about your imagined word nigga

>>7169758
This has potential, if only the artist managed to blend the head with the rest of the painting. At this point it looks like a floating head. A true master would have noticed that flaw, regardless of the underlying message he was trying to convey. If you're gonna do nasty or controversial at least make it beautiful too.

>>7172477
The head was bought from an asset store in China

>>7172790
I wanna drag my face against that bush Hmmmmm!!!! imagine the smell anon, smells like rotting paradise hmmmm!!!!

>>7172381
Yeah bro! MONARCHY RULES! THERE ISNT NOTHING TO BE SUSPICIOUS ABOUT NEVER!!!!
Fucking moron

>>7169779
It is offensively ugly and disgustingly out of place, and in the context of placing it in a hall filled with centuries of portraits of previous monarchs it should get the artist arrested for sedition.

But on a technical level, it is legitimately competent. Which I guess is a point in its favor? Much of this awful left wing art is ugly, offensive and poorly made, but this painting is on the other hand a well-crafted insult to common decency. I am reminded of Russian communist art, which was disgusting, often uninspired, and supported a satanic ideology - but which was often drafted by graduates of Russian fine arts academies and so more often than not showcased really impressive figure drawing.

>>7169758
>Be commissioned monarchy portrait
>Get high as fuck
>Accidentally spill your raspberry soda all over your canvas
>Wake up the next day, panic
>Re-paint the face so it looks intentional
>Trick the retards who think a taped banana is art
It's that shrimple, just find some trillionaire to nepo-hire you.

>>7169954
>>7171960
>>7172157
>>7172201
Didn't people realize by 2009 that this gay "aAaaah fuck you dad I don't want to go to church fuck your god shit i dont believe in magic sky faries like santa" shit was even more immature and outright retarded than any of the belief systems it tried to mock?

>>7176457
It's the standard though, and people stick to standards hard because being ostracized hurts

>>7176457
>not being my abrahamic cult is so immature and cringe dude. Grow up

It looks kinda cool, wish it had more contrast but maybe that's just the photography. The king's clothing blending into the background is a neat idea. I think it could have been taken further though and blended with a background that is more symbolic of Britian.

How much toddler blood was used? Does the artist belong to their circles?

>>7176734
it's all blood that charles coughed out

>>7169949
That's edited though, you can simply flip the image and compare it to yours.
The fact that you are not able to catch differences between two pictures shows how fucking bad you are at visual arts.

So how much monies did the artist manage to scam out of the royal family for this?

>>7176734
>>7176750
Its unironically the blood of Kate Middleton

>>7179671
pls delete. this is harming our psyop operation

>>7179778
da. well done sergei, we're so back


I need sex so I can draw better

I have sex withdrawal and its negatively affecting my ability to draw. Women are withholding affection from me therefore I don't have the spark of light that keeps me drawing. Pewdiepie is different because he has an italian waifu who sexes him and encourages him. Thats how he got so good

>>7169804
Golems don't get sex and affection, those are human rights.

>>7169804
"I don't have a shorty on my junk so I can't draw" is my favorite bullshit excuse now, I will be using this from now on thank you OP

>>7169804
Then use your lack of affection as a dark spark and create twisted art. So go and draw.

>>7169804
seeing men cry and shit their pants online is so fucking funny
you will die alone loser lmao

New Howie dropped, huh? What do we call you?

>>7169804
>Pewdiepie
>Good
Didn't that memefaggot get caught redrawing Aishart? Newsflash, drawing by sight is the bare minimum and requires next to no brain power compared to imagination

>>7170663
He probably doesn't want to quit creating art to start ordering derivatives from an algorithm. It would be a devolution of human creativity. You can conflate the two all you like but we all know they're not the same. You will never be one of us.

>>7172097
I not understand saar please do the needful and redeem AI software


please help me anons, I am SUFFERING as I am trying to make my comic.

My problem are the panels. My comic depends on very autistically spaced Alan Moore style panels. It's all divided very rididly with no stylistic element leaving the panel (pic rel).

I cannot for the life of me get clip studio to do that. Tried reading through the documentation - nothing, tutorials are focused on more "manga", wacky styled comics.

I am willing to learn any digital tool. How do I make autistically spaced Alan Moore panels?

You can't figure out how to use the figure tool in csp? Anon do you have brain problems?

>>7169878
Dave Gibbons, literally the artist from the watchmen, has made videos about how to do paneling using clip studio paint.
Here's one of his webinars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIT<wbr>42n84dIE
I don't know if he does paneling in that one.

>>7169890
Why is Allen Moore getting all the praise?
Dave Gibbons is the man with the vision, craft, and talent.

>>7169921
Moore wrote and created it and probably drew the storyboard

>>7169878
damn the coloring is great in those Watchman pages. coloring in most contemporary US comics is so dogshit.

>>7169921
Dave Gibbons got/gets a shitload of praise for Watchmen, dude. They're both highly lauded for the project because both of them brought their A-game and made something really memorable and compelling. And John Higgins did the colors, by the way, so don't go ranting about misplaced praise.
>>7169931
He wrote the script. A famously detailed and meticulous script.


Starlight’s Art Thread

Starlight

A collection of art I have commissioned over the years.

This is also my first time using this site

By grapezz on discord , also ignore the first one. Reddit banned me for. Posting that

Anonymous

>>7169833
"From the river to the sea" is literally a call for genocide

>>7169861
sssshhhhhh.......
let the the brainwashed ameritards be tards anon, dont ruin their fake fun

i know commissions require money but I have one you can dwell on. Make a hollowed skin-suit of a person barely propped up (Or impaled like arrows in the back) by an assortment of flags of causes that have been made over the past ten/twenty years over a barren landscape

>>7169833
>>7169834
bro commissioned twice

Starlight

Some more art I commissioned, murder drones style

By corpsekat

Anonymous

>>7169880
as white as the average yellow bug
now fuck off back to /pol/

>>7169861
>>7169882
>Genociding kikes is... le bad!
Go back to r/the_donald.

Starlight

More art from the “Fuck zoos and pedos” collection

Anonymous

>>7170103
akshually it's r/neoliberal now.

>>7169833
starlight is antisemitic. Wow.

>>7169833
The funniest thing is that if a woke shit gay steps foot in Palestine, the Palestinians automatically murder him.

>>7170676
So they are on the right side of history for once.

>>7170067
You should be happy you don't need to be pro to get paid

>>7170103
In some cases, your whole family deserves a genacide, scumbag

>>7169833
Based kike hater
Thoughts on niggers?
>>7169925
I don’t think any one on pol would say jews are white
>>7170264
Damn you also hate troons? Maybe furries arent so bad


Is it true that every artist is into feet?
>t. an artist with a foot fetish.

>>7170088
Please, consider it a gift from yours truly,

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Category:Athlete%27s_foot

Now, THAT is a kink.

>>7170088
there is absolutely nothing arousing about feet
you're mentally ill like armpitfags, futafags, niggerlovers and every other disgusting fetish out there

>>7170115
cope, normie
>>>/b/ is more your speed

>>7170115
we've got ourselves a saint here

>>7170123
>normie
Silly anon, foot fetish IS a normie fetish, just like femdom.
Normies are also degenerate fucks, it's just that they don't wanna admit it.

>>7170088
last september I was learning to draw feet and thought that a foot fetish thread would be a great place to get references of the darn things in many positions
It was only pics of soles, footfags aren't even good at providing reference material

>>7170115
I like drawing hands and feet and putting effort into them, but yeah I don't see the arousal.

>>7170153
Just look at OPs art, completely incapable of drawing the feet in the perspective of the rest of the body.

>>7170088
His feet bend, what a pain, you seriously can't understand how perspective works???

>>7170088
I'm into feet but this is just heinous

>>7170088
Not neccesarily But when you spend lots of time studying Feet you usually realise how nice they Look, im Not sexually aroused by them but they are very aesthetic

>>7170088
No. Basically what >>7172325 said. I'm not into feet, but learning more about them you can come to admire certain things. You can make feet look cute and fit the aesthetic of a drawing better to really add to it.

I’ve always wondered, do people with foot fetishes also find hands arousing? They’re pretty similar when you think about it. They both have phalanges/digits.

>>7170115
Armpits carry pheromones, way to out yourself as a retard.

>>7173388
It's the fact that feet are hidden most of the time. I think it's that taboo aspect that makes them so appealing to footfags.
t. not a footfag

>>7173348
This. Several people, unprompted, have complimented the way I draw feet specifically even though they do nothing for me sexually. I spent like a year solid grinding to get better at them because I was tired of finding reasons to not draw feet because they were so shitty. But I'm at a point now where if I see a fucked up foot in a drawing it stands out right away and tends to fuck up the whole thing

>>7173388
Nah, women tend to be the ones with hand fetishes, and men tend to be the ones to have foot fetishes. There's obviously overlap but generally speaking that tends to be the distribution.

>>7173963
any tips or resources for them ? I want to get better in an aesthetic manner too I like hands and feet in drawings but not the sexual stuff

>>7170088
No. Feet are very boring to me, one of the few fetishes I truly don’t have at all.

>>7170088
I am into entire body, there is no part of pretty female that would be hard for me to find attractive and get aroused by(both taken separately or in entirety).

>>7170088
>Muttdaya
Kill fucking yourself jew

>>7173388
It's literally just wires getting crossed in your brain. The feet lobe is next to the weiner lobe and the electrical zaps take a wrong turn. Trust me I'm a doctor.

>>7170115
Never again lump in the blessed feet and armpit chads in with the homosexuals and racemixers

>>7173388
This>>7173965
Hands are more of a masculine thing, feet are more of a feminine thing

Large, strong, capable hands
Curvy, supple, delicate feet

>>7170088
a bit yeah
feet can be elegant
but not like the OP image that shit looks so forced
i want feet on my face but by god i want my feet porn to be diegetic

also total death to stink / giantess fags
they're always also diaperfags/troons/gay so obv degenerates

>>7175177
lmao, I'll never understand this level of retardation.
>Yeah I'm shamelessly into this perverted thing
>BUT fuck all those perverts over there, that's where the line should be drawn

There are exactly same kind of retards in each of those groups you mentioned who think the exact same thing as you kek

>>7175180
they enjoy thing i enjoy but in the wrong way
thats like saying its wrong to hate fags who shove plants in their ass because i enjoy strolling in the garden

fuck you dont lump me in with the mentally deranged degenerates

>>7175183
I'm lumping you in with retards, nothing else. Don't worry you're still pure


What's a good tutorial on how to paint hair?


How could I improve this?

I wasted 7 hours of my life doing this and it looks so fucking bad. It kinda frustates me everytime I need to use watercolors

>>7170218
eh, don't be so hard on yourself. I like the vibe of this

I think your values are too similar, and you can make better use of negative space.

You'd benefit from some perspective practice too, a solid week of study and you will see improvement.

Look up "10 minutes to better painting" by Marco Bucci he gives tips that can help you immediately too

>>7170218
anon, most artist take 5-10 years to improve. It's not a race, it's a marathon. There nothing wrong with being bad, you are doing better than most people because they either don't draw or quit within the first week.

>>7170218
You clearly have potential. And what anon above said. Don't come to this place for advice, since you're able to draw. People here use their time to do anything but that.

>>7170218
7 hours isnt long. you are starting to realize why most do weeb shit. trace a 3d model or paint over an instathot for fotm anime shit and get praised for low effort by retards or spend days on an actual piece of art and thousands of hours practicing for little to no recognition. youll know you are an artist and see the effort in others. or youll measure all ypur success based on likes and retweets. choice is yours.

i can look at an inked piece of work and know the guy spent a day on a 2x2 square of grass. i know avg person wont even look at it or care. i can look at avg ctrl paint cutesexyrobutts tier "artist" and know they put 2 hours max into the digital sludge they shit out daily. i know coomers will praise that. i dont care. id rather make art. you can set aside that pieceyou are working on and focus on studies for grass and sky and anatomy. you can improve each aspcect over couple weeks of work and come back tot his piece for a redraw and see vast improvements. most wont care. but YOU will know its better. YOU will see the difference.


Would you say the Artist 22r is a good drawing "tablet" it seems to have a lot of good features for an insanely low price there has to be a catch no?

>>7170309
no, we already argue about this many times, is the same as cellphones. In phones yes there are shitty models really cheap, all can make calls and do the core part, but in the middle range we already reach a point were all the devices are of the same quality, and the differences are just in the competitive part were brands give or sacrifice some aspects to add to anothers, then you have high tier devices were all of them are the same but they have some, particular, extra, that is not relevant to the core demand, and make a difference, really specialized products or just a bun of extras to pretend.
With drawing tablets is the same but you have just one key core aspect and nothing more, the drawing part, and that's it. We already reached a point were all the devices work good to draw like, since a few years ago, more than a few. My particular opinion... from like, since 2018 more or less, any device after that of the big brands are good, any, I'm not even talking about the drawing part but all the aspects of the devices, because if you talk about just drawing well.... you can draw perfectly with zero problems with devices from like 2014 or even further back in time. The bamboo wacom is from the 2009-10 and works perfectly.

With screen devices, yeah, anything starting around 2018 is good, from apple, wacom, huion, xp-pen, xencelabs, samsung. Of course you can't say the same from some cheap rebrand products or the ones that are specially, specially made to be cheap and short live, like i dont know... ugee, or parblo, even those are
functional, you know... the cell phone analogy.

>>7170309
Have a 24r. Screen is somewhat dimmer with the pre-applied screen protector, colors are good but imperfect.
These non-laminated screens have some deep parallax, setting up calibration helps significantly but it limits you to be the same seated position every time when drawing with the same screen tilt. Not too much of a problem for me since I set it up in a way that encourages good posture. But it is something to keep in mind.
Tilt pressure goes wonky transitioning around the horizontal, as shown in that one video in the drawing screen thread.
Got a couple dead pixels but not too distracting. Calibration is weird around the extreme edges of the screen, but I don't find i typically draw there. Calibration is also strange around the left half's upper middle. Not too bad, but noticeable.
If these are the things you can accept, go for it. But if you're looking for a perfect device, save up for a better brand.