/int/ & /beg/ - Intermediate and Beginners General Anonymous

If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Please stop replying to crabs, nodraws and howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/<wbr>1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGq<wbr>wSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpH<wbr>w6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwi<wbr>ci/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77<wbr>TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

Previous thread >>7175474

I'm a complete beg at drawing and painting and this turned out *way* better than I thought it would.

Can someone tell me what's wrong with this one?
I don't draw but i can tell it's not how it's supposed to be. Genuinely puzzling.
I think the bend of her arms isn't properly communicated. Theyre supposed to be getting smaller the further in they go to show the angle. Right?

>>7177579
>Theyre supposed to be getting smaller the further in they go to show the angle. Right?
sure, but the subject isn't that far away from the viewer so there wouldn't be that much distortion

>>7177579
The shoulders are pretty damn broad for a broad. But I'm more bothered by the lipstick and the classic trying to combine a smile with kissy lips which is why I got tired of western art ages ago.

>>7177579
There's nothing wrong, it's just a fucking cringy image. That's all.
Being picky, there's something happening in the ass area connecting with the back, not well defined, or halfassed it seems. And that's, why? Because he won't dare to draw attention to her ASS, God forbid! So leave the whole area color/shade flat and undefined as fuck. Fucking faggot culture.
"buy me fanboy" SHOW ME THAT ASS AND I'LL BUY YOUR FUCKING CRAP!

Marielx

Oh my gaw~<br>I made it to the OP, does this mean im no longer a prebeg?

Anonymous

>>7177599
>There's nothing wrong
Really? My brain keeps telling me there's something fucky with the arms.
Youre the expert though i guess.

I don't understand how any of these drawing techniques work and all of them look incomprehensible. I don't know how to apply them for anything I actually want to draw, I don't know how to use them, I don't know anything. Here's some of the video guides that I've looked at.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9m4Hf<wbr>_6U4Rc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAOld<wbr>LWIDSM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DUldc<wbr>JRo4cA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mT9Vb<wbr>b7WDMo
Every drawing exercise or guide looks flat out incomprehensible and too complicated for me to follow. I try following it, but I can never understand how to do it. I don't know how to apply it to things I want to draw and I flat out can't even complete any of the exercises.

I have tried the IC sticky, gave up after fucking up the first upside down sketch and never went back to it. Gave up on one line exercise and never went back to it. Gave up on Loomis once the body construction started. Gave up on Keys to drawing because that looked too complex and I can't even make myself read past a single paragraph because of me being distracted. Whenever I start drawing, I literally can't make sense of something as simple as drawing hair. I can't understand 3D perspective nor make sense of it in my brain.

>>7177612
You don't have to believe "me", even if I may count as an expert here. There's infinite reference in youtube of fitness women. That muscle structure is totally "normal" in female bodybuilding. They can can get backs shoulders and arms like that.
But, as this video show in example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgn<wbr>rPyeUtY8
Bodybuilding strong women will develop even bigger ass and thigh muscle mass. That can't be avoided, and that's what infuriates me, that faggot is taking away that from her figure, Ok so she will have a big ass back and arms? Fine she will then have some crazy ass and and legs as well. BUT NO, no! don't give her a big ass! T-thats s-s-sexist!!!! Give her a bodybuilder upper body and man hips with no ass! That's fair and equal!!! I can't take this shit anymore man. Don't get me wrong, the bone-structure may be right, but the muscle should match upper body development, specially in women since they have wider hips than men. Anyways, whatever.

>>7177620
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAOld<wbr>LWIDSM
I was looking for this video.

It's interesting to me because Proko displays this method in a much more digestible format than what FWAP or Drawing the Head and Hands. Much easier to understand and implement imo.

And bro if you don't get it, you need to go back to the very very very basic fundies of drawing shapes and understanding forms. If you seriously don't "get" Keys To Drawing, I don't know what to tell you.

>>7177579
The torso between tits and ass is 2d. I think it's the seam extending from the armpit, the second lower half is too vertical

>>7177650
I have tried the IC sticky, gave up after fucking up the first upside down sketch and never went back to it. Gave up on one line exercise and never went back to it. Gave up on Loomis once the body construction started. Gave up on Keys to drawing because that looked too complex and I can't even make myself read past a single paragraph because of me being distracted. Whenever I start drawing, I literally can't make sense of something as simple as drawing hair. I can't understand 3D perspective nor make sense of it in my brain.
I can't understand Keys to drawing either, all of that looked too complex and I can't even bring myself to read it. All of it looks too complex and impossible for me to figure out.

>>7177624
You are officially the first howie enabler ITT, retard. You're acknowledging his presence even before he opens his mouth. Congrats.

feeling ever so slightly more confident with loomis. not much though. did this on my phone so the lines are messy again

TradBVLLs, should I get a kneaded eraser or one of those eraser pens? Which do you prefer and why?

>>7177689
I think what you can do to improve even more is to practice geometrical forms in perspective. Proko has a lot of material regarding construction. Your work is looking good.

This took me several hours. I want to kill myself.

>>7177579
It seems like the arms were drawn for a position where she faces the viewer. The “S” logo is also not moving with the fabric.

>>7177719
I appreciate that, but picrel is a few other things I've done in the last 3 weeks or so

Here's the advice I've been given and why it won't work.
>Just draw
Can't because I don't have enough motivation or energy
>Set alarms
Can't because I don't have enough motivation or energy and I won't follow through
>Drawabox
Can't because I don't have enough motivation or energy. I can't get through reading two paragraphs, and not actually doing any of it. All of it looks incomprehensible to me and I can't figure it out.
>Lock your phone or delete certain apps.
Block YouTube?
Then I'll scroll on Twitter
Block Twitter?
Then I'll go on discord
Block discord?
Then I'll just sit and stare at a wall doing nothing.
There's nothing that will make me more motivated to actually draw and be productive.
>Do line exercises
This won't help when I have no idea what to draw.
>Grind Fundamentals
This won't help when I have no idea what to draw.
>Find a character you really like
Don't have one and haven't had a hyperfixation in years.
>Study the IC document
Incomprehensible to me and I stopped at the first drawing exercise
>Get a therapist
They're not doing anything.
>Switch meds
Switched to Vyvanse and focalin and I feel worse, now I lowered my dosage of focalin and I still can't do anything despite feeling better.
>Go somewhere else
I have nowhere to go

>>7177565
The lines are a bit blurry, I'd suggest using darker lines.

>>7177734
No pills, total sobriety, eat a pound of steak and swim for an hour, every day

>>7177734
Okay, simple question. If you had the abilities, what would you want to draw?

Whatever the answer to that is, draw it. It's not as complicated as you're making it sound. I love fighting games and fighting game characters so that's why I pollute these threads with fighting game characters.

Do you want to draw characters? Environments? Creatures? Monsters? Mechs? COOM!?

If you don't have an answer to the question then quite possibly you don't actually want to draw? And that's okay. Find a different hobby.

>>7177731
Wow, I’m sorry. You did a really great job.

>>7177579
I want to fuck her in the ass if you know what i mean

Do you have any book recommendations to make girls look more erotic? I can't make this look good.

>>7177544
Painted over.
At the VERY least color picked.

Bros I havend drawn in weeks..someone give me some motivation or something to draw

>>7177766
picrel

>>7177764
Color picked, yes. Painted over, no.

>>7177783
Ask me something to draw, I'm bored.

>>7177734
You simply don't like drawing, simple as anon. The human mind is simple I like = I do I don't like = I don't do

don't force yourself into drawing if you don't like it. Kids draw because it's fun, even though it will look like shit, they don't care because they don't have that much of an big ego yet. You are simply a retard if you can't figure this out on your own.

And if you really have depression adhd or whatever, focus on fixing that first, but you don't have the willpower, never will, people like you end up like druggies on the street because they simply are too low IQ and lack discipline.

If you really want to change something, go to a boot camp for a few months, learn discipline.

>>7177789
draw a girl from the last anime you watched

I'll probably get there someday<br>[spoiler]except for the hands and feet[/spoiler]

did a John Buscema study. it's crazy how dynamic his figures are even in a static pose.

Absolute /beg/ here. I'm trying to figure out action lines. How do you deal with split legs? How do you determine which way the action line should go? Or should I just not bother with that and just split the action line, too?

>>7177734
Have you considered you just don't actually want to draw at all? it sounds like you just need to pick a different hobby entirely. If it's really that draining to you to even just pick up a pencil and literally just scribble on a piece of paper,

>>7177835
pick the one with the most weight
or just whatever feels the most natural

>>7177842
I think they mean for poses like picrel

I wonder if I'll ever be as based as this random pedophile I see on Pixiv sometimes. I could probably draw better lolis, yeah, but it won't give me his fearsome autism powers

>>7177844
You're gonna have a hard time finding the line of action in a static pose like this; because there is non.

>>7177852
Yea but how would you turn it into a gesture?

>>7177855
You wouldn't because this is not a gesture.

>>7177855
yeah gestures are about like, relationships between form proportion and weight, trying to capture the feeling of a pose.
it's just gonna be a stick figure if you're posing rigidly like a stick figure.

>>7177596
try drawing a more well defined face, its usually the most important part, the top and shoes have intricate detail and design, but the face isnt, just a little implication on where the jaw, chin, cheekbones are, maybe show an ear

I don't like gesture drawing, it feels like a frivolous, almost philosophical time sink into something that just doesn't seem to net much progress.<br>Is this really something that needs to be practiced everyday?

I don't think i like drawing. If i did i would be doing it every day but i'm not. It takes active effort to spend any amount of time on it. I still try to do it if i can.<br>Am i retarded? Genuine question

Me and my boyfriend. I'm the one on the couch. I am below average but I wanted to post this because he said it was funny

>>7177888
And you are very correct in your statement.
Gesture, like Huston says, is just a very minimal sketch meant to capture the most vital parts of a figure that can then be built upon to make a complete figure.
Your "gesture" should have:
>Correct proportions
>An exaggerated sense of movement on it because it will stiffen out during construction
>Overlapping forms to show depth if the figure has them
>Basic simple forms to show surfaces like faces or palms.

Dont believe any of that esoteric faggot shit about lines of action or feel the form. If your gesture isn't the very minimal representation of a figure meant to be built upon for a complete figure then it is just a fucking scribble.
Your daily practice is meant to help you memorize the human body in as many positions, actions, movements, situations, angles and proportions as possible and because of it you should make sure to do it timed because the time limit forces you to capture as much as you can with as little time and work as possible ergo a "minimal sketch".

>>7177894
What make you stay here on /ic/ lurking and posting?

>>7177895
>Calls his femboy bf a nigger
Damn
I like the couch, ur pants look like a skirt doe.
P good faces all in all. I think the bodily proportions are the main issue

>>7177894
it's not necessarily an either/or thing, and no one likes drawing without some end. I myself, and I've seen other anons says as much, hated pretty much everything I made when I first got into drawing - to the point where I quit after a few months and didn't get back into it for a few years; and during those first few months I was extremely inconsistent. but over time I saw the idea of making art come back to my mind again and again, and eventually worked on my work ethic to draw every day and mostly enjoy it. sometimes it just takes proof of the fruits of your labor, so to speak. you might simply have a really poor work ethic. try drawing consistently for a few months and see how you feel.

>>7177900
Latent desire to get good and make the stuff i violently daydream about.
I'm a little disheartened by the fact that i havent't begun earlier but that's how i felt.four years ago when i first quit.
I really did fuck myself up because i used to have nothing but time. Now i'll have to work AND draw.

I could've learnt this shit back when i had 12h of free time every day but nah i wasted it all on factorio and futa porn.

>>7177897
Honestly shocked at this genuine response.

>9/96
I slept above my arm today. So it hurt to draw.

>>7177905
Literally fucking me
>worked partime 3 days out of the week for years
>had all the time in the world
>wasted it playing Destiny and choking the chicken
>now have a real job and stuck wageslaving 50-60 hours weekly
I'd say I should have listened to my parents, but they never cared what I did or the future I had and were kind of retarded in how they raised me.

>>7175957
I've actually posted them several times here already.
I'm just really easily embarrassed

>>7177907
Very appealing style, anon, simple but pleasant. I'm a faggot too so I'm not even just saying that because booba.

>>7177910
>I'd say I should have listened to my parents, but they never cared what I did or the future I had and were kind of retarded in how they raised me.
Same.
They would remember i exist like once every two weeks and then they'd use that attention to shit on the evil computer whilist not offering a meaningful alternative.
Tbh i hold a lot of resentment to authority figures i've encountered as a child. Mostly school counselors because they've been complete and utter dipshits 100% of the time and not helpful in the slightest.
Anyway, drawing, gesture - figure.
I promise to draw for at least two hours every day. I'll increase if all goes well

>>7177932
Pretty good start, but the road seriously needs some texture

>>7177907
These are nice, but don't encourage that disgusting shit on the right end there. Cunts that do that shit need to fuck off.

Testing stuff, been revisiting looking at SSTTITD

>>7177542
hi guys, i haven't posted here in a while because i was busy with homework. i just finished a quick doodle, hopefully i'll do more this weekend.

>>7177988
cool character, badly framed, the shitty bg overpowers her

Tried something new. I drew the reference image without taking my eyes off of it. I only looked down at the paper to make sure the pencil was in the right spot to start a new line.

Really tried to "Feel the form (tm)"

The goal was to let my pencil flow and find the shape purely by feel. No structure, no measuring, just make lines.

I enjoyed it overall, and I will most likely use this method with other references in the future.

>>7178012
After that, I tried drawing the image purely from memory. I closed the reference image before I picked my pencil up, and did not re-open it until I finished an attempt. After each attempt I tried focusing on one thing I messed up. The big focus was the snout. Most of the results ended up looking more like a welsh corgi rather than a fox. I think that was because I made the snout too boxy and long. I think the final attempt was the best snout so far.

I'm gonna shelve this for now, and try something new next time.

Haven't drawn in a while, so I decided to do trad. Honestly might go back to trad since it actually forces me to think about every line.

Here are some messy sketches and some studies I did

>>7177544
Looks good! It's very monochrome though. Love a good frog.
>>7177932
Good values!

>>7177104
This is the lineart of this sketch.
Below is a rough sketch of the background. Anybody have any tips for drawing environments?

>>7178021
That's some really solid work. I hope you stay consistent with it.

>>7177932
I like where this is going, you have a good eye for using shading in a good way to still show shapes in dark areas, but there is a lot of missing details like on the side of the mountains and even in some of those dark areas.

is loomis all I need if I want to get into basic anatomy

Look... All I want to is make cartoons.

>>7178004
What would you recommend?
>>7178040
I'll take that as a compliment! On my next one I'll also post construction and stuff like that.

No fundamentals yet so I'm just a retard for now. I'll practice some basics with more proper tools and come back again.

>>7177212
To this poor dude suffering. Practice your control and do things one step at a time. There's so much overwriting and that's your first hurdle. At least your cubes seem free of that issue
>>7178003
Hey this is cute. Like teenage show edgy and cute
>>7178055
>ballpoint
Ballsy

>>7178047
If you want to make cartoons that reflect reality in some sense (I.E, they have depth, perspective,) loomis + construction + perspective studies along with simplified anatomy from observation is a good place to start.

some of these are morpho, trying to apply some Emilio Dekure vids

>>7178055
like math, using a pen is bold. not saying don't go for it if that's what you want to do, but you might find yourself banging your head because you didn't get the line right the first time. If anything, use pencil, then draw over it. that will give you leniency, and it will also give you an opportunity to play with mixed media.

anyway, whatever you do, keep doing it

>>7177988
lines need to be worked out, don't really understand why the upper line on the concrete wall is super thick, then gets thin after it touches her arm. bent knee kind of fuses with the other leg, looks strange, maybe use bold line there to ad depth. pose is good otherwise. foot looks like it's floating on wall, maybe work on shading to add life/weight

k, rate my shit now. medieval beekeeper, got lazy on basket covering face

>>7178055
Based ballpoint friend. Start drawing loose first, without applying much force. Apply more force as you're more sure where the line should go. That way, even if you go wrong in something, it'll be fine.

So what do you guys think? Any critique would be great.

my brother was seeing bnha so I drew all might for him. he is fun to draw.

>>7178066
thank you anon, glad you think it's edgy and cute.

>>7178077
checked
the beach looks more like a green screen background, vs a setting. shadows on the upper torso/breats look great, lower thighs look a little muddled. fixing that comes with repetition, and confidence with lights/darks. she's got a hard body though, i will give you that

>>7178050
>What would you recommend?
redo the bg, make it point to her face

>7178077
mmabe. don't know about the girl- when I touch her she become more flat,too hard :(

feel pretty bad about this one, any advice?

>>7178115
Your proportions are wonky. The legs are far too short and her right arm is far too long. Left arm is about right. (The wrist should fall around the crotch). Women's shoulders are a bit more slender.
I've included a rough example of closer proportions. I can see what you were going for, good on you because it's not an easy pose. Do it again with proportions in mind (pull up a few references, even just of someone standing)
Keep it up!

>>7177579
Her ass isn't juicy and round enough.

Is this way of practicing figure drawing right? I don't even get how to draw torso so I focused on drawing those.

>>7178115
You're doing fine, just need mileage. Keep it up you're well on your way. Try using darker lines and draw slower to avoid sketchy unconfident seeking lines. It's fine if they aren't perfect on the first try or the lines are light but try to draw singular long strokes for the contours/outlines.

Here's my take on it so feel free to take my advice with a grain of salt.

>>7178073
poster of
>>7177988
here
First of all, thank you for the genuine and well thought out criticism, I really want to improve, so I appreciate it greatly.
I've seen that photo of the medieval beekeeper before, this is a really nice recreation! I would say that the fabric along the shoulders needs to conform more with the bodily form underneath it. Notice how in the original, the fabric almost seems to create a dome around the protrusion of the shoulder, in yours, it's almost as if its being caught by a breeze. I generally like the way that the fabric kind of wraps and folds around the body, and the shading compliments it nicely.
I also think (although this may be a matter of personal preference), that you have put too much detail into the hands and fingers. It's a very challenging hand pose to draw though, so I can understand why the lines are so heavy. I would maybe recommend going lighter around the lines, and in places even letting the brain fill in the gaps (support it with your wonderful ability to shade when necessary).
Speaking of shading, I think you shouldn't be so afraid of dark spaces, like what you have underneath the arm, and I think applying a greater degree of contrast to the areas where the hood overlaps the robe (like above the arms and around the breast) would help to outline the form a little bit more. Applying a gentle fade from that dark area as it blends itself with the shading of the creases in the fabric around the arms would make for a great juxtaposition between the bright fabric and the dark shaded areas, making the work all the more eye catching. I understand that you attempted to capture the sunlight as it shines underneath the fabric, but it reads as cross-hatched shading.
I think the way you've drawn the basket actually compliments the rest of the work quite nicely, but I would say that there needs to be some hinting as to what it would look like underneath the fabric.

>>7178182
The other one. Any advice would be ok. Thanks in advance.

>>7177911
whoa man
>>7177950
yeah, I hate nose rings too

what do yall think of my duck
>>7178192
top right is soul

I believe I have lost my way as an artist. I sold my soul to the grind. The past 5 years were nothin but grindin. Nothing but head studies and figure drawings and shading the same sphere over and over.

I forgot my favorite artists because i looked at photos a too much for a too long.

How good should my drawings be before I could make a comic? What does good look like?

>>7178236
Thanks! Your rendering is very good

>>7178079
>>7178109
>>7178090
Noticed the perspective issue after posting. Still thanks for pointing it out.. The background was basically an afterthought, I just used some random brush strokes and then I was like hey this looks like a beach.
>>7178095
I remembered that I actually made one. I do not post there often but hey.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/4568<wbr>3987

Is it readable?<br>Seeking critique of any kind

>>7178159
Definitely one of your best. Has a strong sense of presence

>>7177887
>>7177966
You're better than most here, you won't get much pertinent suggestions.

>>7178340
Looks great

Are there any books specifically for learning to draw with that 80's dnd style?

>>7178364
Just pick up some old school TTRPG books and use them as reference. Check out the book for Shadowdark. The art is fantastic. Also follow this dude on Tumblr, he rules -- https://lichward.tumblr.com/

>>7178190
ah yeah thanks mate. hard to get critiques on here

>>7178365
Alright. Im 100% /beg/ so should I just pick a pic from and just try to draw it? I taught myself guitar and I just did it without worrying about theory and all that. I just picked a song and sat down to learn it, can I do that with drawing or is following some course a better a plan?

>>7178236
your duck looks like a normal map

>>7177565
hate hate hate the filter, otherwise I love it

>>7177734
I have inattentive ADHD

you have to pick up a fucking load dude, start extremely small.

I get what you are saying, "just draw" is advice that works for non mentally ill people.

what helped me draw more often and give me confidence was telling myself "I just have to draw for 5 minutes, I dont even have to look, just scribble while watching youtube"

if you dont want to keep drawing after that. just stop, do something else and try again tomorrow.

for me personally, I cant not draw, I become depressed if I don't draw, been like that since childhood.

Remeber to have fun and play. Don't worry so much about doing everything right and making something perfect.

there is joy in simple doodling, think of it like exploring ideas, thinking with drawings.

If you do 5 minutes a day (dont beat yourself up if you miss a few days, I do that too all the time)

it will develop your confidence over time. It will have a massive impact, dont underestimate just because it seems small.

>>7178377
You *can* do this with drawing, but you should also do a course alongside drawing just for fun. Lot of instructors say to study 50%, draw for fun 50%.

How do I improve the pose and/or clothing?

>>7178377
>>7178393
Pick up the book Keys To Drawing as your first "how to draw" things. Read and do exercises in that book alongside drawing what interests you just for fun.

How do i draw a figure? <br>From step 1 to finish.

>>7178416
I like, make a story book with the concept

>>7178406
i feel like hampton set me back years as an artist, but I stuck with him because he was a tiny help initially

I dont feel like drawing but i should go do it

>>7178417
sure anon. The top of her head is too long compared to her face. The forshortening on the far eye is too extreme for where the nose is telling us the middle of the head is located, I chose to match the eyes with the nose instead of going for that more turned angle

>>7178419
>i feel like hampton set me back years as an artist
how so?

>>7177897
nta but would you recommend a particular tool for facilitating this kind of practice? there seem to be a lot of little web apps to throw timed reference pics at u for that but idk which to use

Druchii Archon and her Inquisitorial b̶o̶y̶f̶r̶e̶n̶ pet.

Where should I improve?

>>7178340
Nice work, lookin very pretty. Where can I learn to shade armour like you anon? I suck ass at it.

>>7178476
I was just trying to replicate some references best as i could. I didn't watch tutorials

>>7178491
If you want some theory for imaginary work, I'd look into non metalic metal techniques used by miniature painters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zux<wbr>0HAS8pAw

>>7178450
you can't make a good body with inorganic forms, the more boxes you make the farther you move away from a good figure
Also there is nothing to actually help you place the boxes in the correct place, and when you know the correct place you might as well not draw the stupid ass boxes
I mean his art is just plain ugly too, why not follow vilppu who actually does draw beautiful lifelike figures?

>>7178502
>nmm
My stormcast never look good when I try this

Anybody have a preference for any of these thumbnails?

>>7178517
C, best focus, least busy, best in a vacuum
A might be better if you really want to show the room, less so the character

So. now i just need to paint layers and layers of details ?

>>7178521
Make the path lead to the tower. The focal point is the tower. Interesting piece.

does anyone have an invite to the /beg/ discord?

I think I'm getting closer to the reference since using a grid

>>7178003
>>7178081
Are you the same anon? How can you from cute girl stuff to shonen stuff? I usually stick to one for a while before changing

Can't find the position of her belly button

>>7178530
If you used a grid on this. You defenitly don't seem to be using the grid as intended. How are you using the grid anon?

>>7178539
>gauging distance
Care to explain? Can't wrap my smooth brain around this.

>>7177542
any good resource recommendations for learning clothes?

>>7178537
The belly button is usually between the ribcage and the pelvis in the middle.

Damn, turns out drawing is fun as fuck. Why was i slacking off with this so hard?<br>I mean 'm still shit but it's so much fun.

>>7178521
I liked it better without the blue when it was just different shades of grey
>>7178524
I thinks the tower looks more remote if the path doesn't lead to it. also, in every other painting the path always leads to the tower, so it's refreshing to see something else

testing myself on drawing without a reference. i think its ok???? idk, I also think it could be a lot better lol

>>7178620
Cool style but I’m geting clown shoes vibes from ger feet

>>7178611
POV: you're picking up your ladyboy girlfriend for a date and his dad is dropping him off

I feel like I'm getting close to making something appealing but it still feels off.

>>7178641
NTA, isn't the spacing of the eyes correct due to perspective? Nose should be moved a *little* since it's only showing the edge of the bridge and tip.

>>7178644
her left eye is too far to the right, and yes, nose needs to be moved

>>7178641
shouldn't the lines tilt with the head though?

>>7178640
Facial features feel symbol drawn. Mostly the eyes.

>>7178656
yeah maybe a tiny bit, i just did the lines in like 3 seconds with ms paint.

even then the nose and eye are still misplaced

All the art communities I try to join are full of lolicons and shcizos

>>7178665
>All the art communities ~~I try to join~~ are full of lolicons and shcizos

>>7178702
While this is sick it feels like the rendering is a little too soft/blurry. It's like the lens is smeared or Akuma is out of focus.

Try introducing sharp edges to contrast against the shading and rendering you have already. Think of it like a tilt shift lens. Maybe give his nose bridge or furrowed brows sharper defined edges. Even his hair could have sharper shading.

Like I said it looks sick but the heavy airbrushing and soft shading is hurting it. Just try experimenting with some hard round brush strokes against his face and you should see a difference.

>>7178709
well yeah thats just my brush choice, just kinda fucked myself at the start, very hard to makre it "sharper" at this point without fucking up the stylistic cohesion
Maybe the closeup looks better?

>>7178641
You pulled these lines straight out of your butthole anon.

>>7178713
Nonsense man, you're on digital you can put a new layer and fuck around and if it doesn't work just delete it. You can definitely add some sharper edge control to your rendering because I think to me that's the only thing that's holding this back. It feels like all the brush work is super soft and is only intense in value. You're using dark shadows to compensate for the softer rendering. I'm telling you, get a flat textured brush and start going over the planes of Akuma's face. Of all the Street Fighter characters Akuma is probably the less likely to use lotion and face moisturizer for that soft skin.

I'm at work lurking on my phone right now but when I get home I'll try and take a stab at doing a paintover. But as a substitute here's some UDON artwork turned grayscale with a heavy contrast.

Take notice how you very clearly identify the shapes and planes on Akuma's face and how not everything has this super smooth shading to it. His face looks like chiseled rock. That's the appeal that is lacking in your rendering. Once you've gotten better at edge control in your rendering you'll be going the distance.

>>7178418
Thank you man, and that's the plan!

>>7178719
I look at it and it's not appealing, fuck you mean

>>7178732
>Nonsense man, you're on digital you can put a new layer and fuck around and if it doesn't work just delete it
You say that but every line i place just looks like shit, so i place lines, delete, and end up where i started

>>7178736
Sometimes that's what it takes. The tradchads have to erase shit physically, we can just add a new layer and have that safety net.

If you find yourself in this loop, consider why your lines or whatever you did looks like shit? Was it in the wrong perspective? Too messy? Etc. Delete your previous lines and layers and analyze why they aren't working and push yourself to fix whatever the problem is. Sometimes it's not easy but that whole problem solving aspect of drawing is fun for me. Sometimes you think you got it going but then you draw clown shoes on 2B without realizing it, lol. Nothing is in stone, you can always redraw, redo and learn from your mistakes. It's easier on some days compared to others but that's how it goes.

>>7178721
Thank you. Looking at it again I just realized I messed up the cropping of the image.

>>7178745
Darken your darks. Work on smoother transitioning between values

>>7178766
very nice values, the midesction / leg of the right one seems wonky tho

Practice today. I've been trying to grind soul lately

.>>7178028
v nice anon

Some late night doodling/trying to draw a face from imagination.

>>7178736
You could try ctrl+paints method of painting with the Lasso tool.

>>7178806
i could try a new paiting, not with this one

>>7178801
You’re trying to sprint before you can walk. First off, try taking some time every day to work on your lines. Do clean lines of varying lengths and make sure to draw with your wrist. Secondly, work on shapes and basic forms. A sphere would be a much better start to a drawing such as this; I recommend you check out loomis for portrait drawing from imagination. Lastly, try learning the skull, even if it in a highly simplified form. The facial features and muscles connect in accordance to the skull so it’s necessary to know it when drawing portraits

>>7178814
>You’re trying to sprint before you can walk
Yeah, you're right. I have a bad habit of doing stuff out of order. In this case I drew the eyes and later decided to put a face around them. Should have probably started from scratch, and not used the eyes I already drew.

>try taking some time every day to work on your lines
I wanted to defend myself with the fact that these are doodles, and I can draw clean lines, but I should probably also focus on line quality in doodles, if I want to improve faster.

Thanks for the honest feedback.

>>7178814
>and make sure to draw with your wrist
uh, do you mean shoulder?

>>7178814
i feel like this dude who makes these long effort advice posts is just one of the beg mass reply dudes, i can tell it's his writing style and chatgpt advice

>>7178839
I did, my mistake

>>7178865
Literally never done one of those before lmfao

>>7178841
You should have fun, but art isn’t 100% fun the entire time. Sometimes you have to do things you don’t always enjoy for better results

Everyone just draws for coom..it's over.

Sup beg, new app, old struggle. Today it turned out okay.

>>7178800
i like the most the thot in left upper corner
>>7178766
booba too small
>>7178734
half life 1. only real gamer boomers will recognize
>>7178665
normies dont draw, more news at eleven
>>7178629
lol
>>7178529
discord gg/aXCer5hu
>>7178394
use reference and steal their clothes folds and body language
>>7178364
find artist you like from that era, find out how were they taught and learn from same resource? or just do master studies of old 80ties stuff
>>7178340
i kneel
>>7178303
use clean white paper, use thick black liner to finalize the lines ones you are done with chicken scratch gesture / sketch
>>7178148
splish splosh
>>7178070
very cool figgies
>>7178047
Hamm Drawing and Cartooning
Blair Cartoon Animation
Hultgren The Know How of Cartooning
Stanchfield Drawn to Life
>>7178015
very goofy, but with SOUL. i like it
>>7177888
some art books say gesture is the most important shit in the universe. and other art books completely IGNORE it. pick your poison
>>7177845
i like it, but needs more shades to combat flatness. mostly clothes
>>7177684
nice
>>7177565
what were you thinking when you merged the eyes into haircut and applied so weird filters it looks like its generated by ai?
>>7178919
that 2 dark lines on cylinder fucked you over: the darkest of the image arent the 2 edges anon...

>>7178922
>that 2 dark lines on cylinder fucked you over: the darkest of the image arent the 2 edges anon...
none of those shapes are cylinders

>>7178922
hair looks less flat than last time. try doing big shapes first for the hair, then medium, then small, instead of making it composed of a bunch of noodles

>>7178922
pawell i started later than you and can draw figures in a scene from imagination. stop doing half-assed copies and just make an original piece

I'm actually going to kill myself, goodbye

>>7178941
the only thing impressive here are the values.

>>7178940
yea ill color it tomorrow, forcing myself to use my cintiq and learn krita.

Drawing stupid shit to get some gesture practice in

>>7178814
>you're trying to sprint before you walk you're not allowed to doodle faces your free time fun drawing must be line and sphere practice
kek
surely that's how da vinci learned

>>7178950
the important thing about gesture drawing is to capture a feeling in motion, and this made me want to watch the r-rated direct to video prequel about the genie's reign of terror so i think you have accomplished the goal

>>7178956
Nobody said what they are and aren’t allowed to do. This is a beg thread, I saw a beg drawing, and gave advice for that user so that they’d use it to make better drawings in the future. Have you guys forgotten the point of this board?

would anyone kiss my lil guy
>>7178265
ty
>>7178378
is it a good normal map though
>>7178956
nta, reading comprehension of a dead goldfish
but also doodling can reinforce bad practice, even for 'fun' don't skimp on line quality, drawing a couple lines and circles as a warm up is very easy and important

>>7178530
You're suffering from a bad case of symbol drawing. Youre drawing your face like the ancient Egyptians and you're not thinking of the body as three dimensional objects. They're all flat.

Loomis had a method for drawing these in 3 dimensions by circlinging the shape of the leg.

Did not have a lot of time to draw today, just a rough sketch of the background (again)

>>7178978
Here is an exercise when you are having trouble getting the volume of the limbs or bodies.

Draw a center line to represent the middle of the limb like the thight. Then start to draw how the circle, or the slice of the limb, would look in that perspective.

>>7178524
it leads. but it is a long path :(

>>7178978
>>7178985
Am I supposed to do a squigly line? Wouldn't it make more sense to do oval or elipses?

>>7178987
Yeah, of course, this is a basic example where you get started. You change the size of the circles being made given the shape of the limb.
>>7178988
Whats the problem?

>>7178988
nah they're cooking, the sense of depth is all off and that's the main issue with the figure that anon posted, this is a good practice for drawing organic shapes with the right kind of roundness i'd think

Genuine question. How many hours would it take for someone of moderate skill to make something like this?

I cant get the face right the nose and left eye keep looking wonky

>>7178992
I fucked up this hand a bit, but in general, I use this method when I get stumped. I don't use it much anymore since I can go without it, but it helps when I'm struggling to see the limb as a 3D object.

>>7178996
Moderate skill maybe 10 hours all things considered. If that sounds daunting, it doesn't have to be (and arguably shouldn't be) all at once.

>>7179004
There's pretty much no reason to do that scribbly tube thing unless you're drawing forced perspective. Note that in your sketch build up, you're attempting to acknowledge the cylindrical structure of the fingers, but your final drawing loses it. You should study shape volumes more. Note

>>7179017
seems like more of an issue with joint angles than with the method itself. the palm and fingers all have good shape but the pieces are put together a little wrong

>>7178351
What have you been studying? How did you get to this point?

I don't understand how some people can't get the jist of things and take the ball and run without me having to explain everything, demanding absolute clarity. While others think they get the jist and actually need to be hand held.

I suppose I'm a tad hypocritical in this complaint, because sometimes I need a step by step guide, and other times, I can take an idea and expand upon it, without the instructor spelling it all out.

Any advice for drawing good-looking city buildings? I'm struggling to figure out how I should approach this. Thanks frens!!!

>>7179055
Also pardon the wonky face on the front figure. I was testing out a happier expression for her, which I will redo.

Daily shit drawing. Cant even bother to count anymore.

Dropped the ball yesterday and didn't draw. Streak is lost.
Not like you could call my dogshit "drawing".

Is this unsalvageable? Legit cant see anything worth conserving and I am too tilted to redo it again.

Cant construct the torso.
Face is fucking puke inducing.

Legit cant see anything good on this. I dont know what to do.
Copy Morpho back to back twice?

>>7179132
stop trying to learn all at once.

>>7179141
You don't take a whole shit all at once just piece by piece or else you'll get a fucking hemorrhoids and other shit like that

>>7179025
I'm still /beg/ so i'm not sure I'm a reference.
I mostly take pictures of real people I like, and try to reproduce them as best as possible. I do that with drawings as well.

I have read the usual literature recommended by /ic/.
I'm still awful at rendering and colors though

>>7179141
Study only part of it, for example, heads. Spend weeks/a month only doing bust shots, go through tutorials, copy anime references, etc. In the time you draw a whole body you could've done like 3-5 heads. Once you get pretty good at those, you can startstudying shoulders/torso, and eventually add arms and do half body shots.

>>7179055

You got decent perspective/base, so I'll assume you need advice with detailing the buildings. I'd suggest looking up drawings of city stuff. Look at popular capeshit comics, stills from capeshit shows, or weeb stuff heavily featuring cities in the backgrounds. Study them, copy them, figure how much or how little they put into their wide shots, how do they mix different building types to make it look varied and interesting, etc.

>>7179161
>>7179141
id suggest learning in even smaller segments, breaking the head down into parts
i also always suggest doodle warriors, it's a good course

>>7178530
Gave it a go.
I think you are trying too hard to make it exactly like the reference (hence grid), but at the same time you are not drawing what you see at all. Most of the figure is just symbol drawn. I'd advise Drawing on The Right Side of The Brain or Keys to Drawing - whichever you like.

By the second from reference I was too tired.<br>Should've taken a break.

>>7179254
Where did you learn this version of Iterative Drawing? It actually seems useful. Drawing from Memory, then Reference, back to memory, and then reference.

Made some mistakes on the perspective (among other things) and ears, since the reference image didn't really have them. Going to keep practicing.

>>7178814
>Do clean lines of varying lengths and make sure to draw with your wrist

>>7179267
Some videos posted a few threads back

>>7179284
>>7179267
Found them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_N<wbr>uJIJ6wGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkb<wbr>QnBi_JqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8e<wbr>2DcN5kAo

Any ideas for stuff I can practice at work into an A5 notepad? Can't really have references open or bring books with me so I'm kinda lost

>>7179304
Box rotations or form intersection maybe?

>>7179292
NTA, but I've been working through that guy's books for about a month and really seeing improvement, it's definitely a great technique.

>>7179304
can draw stuff around or naked anime girls

>>7179342
I dont think so. But it's in the right direction (trying to incorporate some perspective).

>>7179347
Thanks I'm still trying to have more confident in my lines, my chicken straws got reduced a lot but still present, I'm also trying to study folds and how light interacts with them , what would you say is the most blatant mistake here?

>>7179350
I think the most impactful bang for you buck thing you could and should fix, is the head, and figureing out how to actually attach the neck to the torso.

>>7179356
Oh and here's I thought I was getting better at 3/4 head perspective, well thanks for the criticism anon

>>7179182
>>7179161
>>7179153
2 years. I have been going at it "seriously" for almost two years and now I need to go to the very fucking basics of drawing a box.
What have I even been doing all this time.

anyone with resources on how to draw environments past the ones listed on the sticky?

>>7179404
You probably already roughly know the basics. You just dont put them into practice.

It was the first time I had ever tried to draw from my imagination, and well, I gave up halfway through.

>>7179415
made me realize i cant draw bows in perspective

>>7179404
Then fucking do it, I'm not gonna tell you some praising bullshit like "You got it" "It's not that bad" "Just keep going you're doing good" and other delusional comments of faggots. You're trash talking to yourself anyway so you're hopeless.

You'll have to study the fucking fundamentals one way or another, but this time you'll have to stick them deep in your asshole. And stop using these shitass very simplified styles, you should know that manga/anime artists learned how to draw real humans first, learning other fundamentals, master studying their favourite artists and all other things.

Read the fucking drawabox lesson 0 and split the fun drawing and studying, giving more percent to studying, because you fucking wasted all of your prime years drawing boobas or some shit copying them from Google search images instead of already ending Scott Robertson's How to Draw and How to Render books.

Of course you can ignore all the studies and keep drawing with your current skills and in the future crying that you suck ass, saying that you spent so much years and some little bitch is drawing cuter/cooler than you, not knowing that they had different environment, group of people and etc.

Or you'll study these fucking fundamentals, sloppy deep throating them, crying and shitting yourself, but getting skills, learning to accept that you still suck ass but keep going for your fucking dream or some shit, I don't know you, and having absolutely no regret that you spent these past N years.

Don't be fucking pessimistic, cry a river, and start drawing more seriously now. Don't wait for a moment when your skills suddenly improve out of pity, your improvement in drawing solely depends in you, choose fucking quantity over quality, get a taste of how bad your drawings are and having to see them everyday

You will fucking suck and be frustrated and that's normal.

Appreciate any critiques on this. My gesture drawings and art studies are usually pretty good, but whenever i try to make full pieces , i always trip up, and they turn out disappointing

damn main pic of thread cartoon not beg tier :/.<br>Also overairbrushing its crap, lol

I'm curious to know how old you all are? I thought we were all adults but one anon mentioned the word "homework" so I'm not so sure.

>>7179497
Could be college homework
Also does it matter

>>7179498
Yeah, could be. No, it doesn't matter really. I was just curious.

>>7178985
>>7178978
does seem like it kinda works, I guess it's better for limbs though

>>7179507
Seperate them. one for the head sphere and one for the cylindrical neck. dont have to try to do all the parts in one continuous spiral.

>>7179490
Very nice, I don't have the patience to do this kind of stuff

>>7179478
Reply to bait, but based post nevertheless.

>>7179507
Yeah, I don't really use it for the head. Looks neat how you did it though.
This does look better, your only issue is your lack of anatomical knowledge which I'm sure you could develop in time.
 Its like a training wheel that I stopped using when I gained a better understanding of form and anatomy. As I said, I only use the method when I'm having trouble getting a limb to look 3D in some poses, which I did a lot when I first started.

>>7179490
That looks sweet. Reminds me of the Nazguls fight with Éowyn
Her expression is kind of neutral though given the circumstance.

How should I render this? First time painting, not supposed to be detailed

>>7179520
Think about where the top head is and make the center line accordingly.

First time trying to draw without reference (except the clothing cuz its a character) and i didnt do a sketch or something before, just eyeballed the whole thing

I am being filtered by legs and feet to the point of absolutely destroying my paper with an eraser

>>7179576
Wait fuck sorry i forgot to finish the cape

>>7179530
The method helped with my lips
I wanna make sexy lips, anime lips don't do it for me, but in my attempt, I realized I made a hard rock radio station logo.

NEW THREAD >>7179604
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>>7178941
>killing yourself over a promptlet lying on the internet

>>7178251
dude i really feel that, grinding 5 years and all, that's why im too scared to try anything new desu, because im afraid that i will sink 5 more years without improving much.

Theres something off with her lips, can any anon help me?

>>7178491
Thanks bruv.


Does anyone have any resources or advice for how to improve anatomy and posing? I feel like my drawings are lacking in those areas

Draw more.
Draw nudes.
Draw fast.
The last two points are what croquis is all about.

>>7177623
Everytime I see this being a problem it comes down to the torso and head being placed in a straight line.
It's good to practice reference and proportion, but it kills movement. Look at gestures and nice poses, mark down the spine, look at how head, chest and hips twist around it.
Even in poses leaning on one leg there's a bit of movement on the trailing leg and muscles.

>>7177623
Read the art and science of figure drawing

>>7177623
you have 2 paths
1. buy clip studio paint
2. use their 3D models
or
spend the next 10 years learning how to draw anatomy like proko

>>7177885
>use their 3D models
My favorite youtube video is one of an art teacher using 3D models for the first time.
He posed the 3d and then he drew over it, after a few seconds he drew from scratch and compared the two.
There's so little difference between the two but he tried his hardest to justify learning from scratch by saying shit like the tits are too high...

>>7177891
what if i told you the point of figure drawing is actually not learning how to draw figures

>>7177891
ngl, I want to watch that video, and it is funny because nowadays you do not even need to purchase clip studio paint, you can use blender with grease pencil and download free models from sketch fab or use DAZ 3d models to learn anatomy in no fucking time, no more loomis no more fucking old depecrated methods, there is a software called character creator from reallusion where you can create everyithing that you want, 3d sylized, humans, old, fat people, kids, FUCKING EVERYTHING, even furries, and then trace it in blender and thats it, now you are a fucking professional and you escaped the fucking tutorial hell

>>7177627
unhelpful
>>7177652
vague and not even really that good advice.
>>7177703
better, missing critical observation
>>7177885
more than 2 paths available obv, pointless advice
>>7177967
the point of figure drawing is to draw the human figure.
also, I suspect you mean something about how its about learn form or something.

figure drawing is not strict, it just has to be a figure. there are expressionist figure drawings and paintings.

>>7178052
cant stand this bullshit frugal mentality. tells me where the priorities are.

especially when you go around thinking your cobbled short cut will be more efficient than a product designed by countless experienced programmers, artists, animation studios. publishers.

and then act like its a product killer deal.

imagine youre being paid by the hour, and you choose to spend hundreds fucking around putting together a bunch of bullshit that design doll (free program)
already does better than your idea.

instead of just paying the fucking toll and getting to work.

Ive seen this so many times man you need to stop this shit you are cutting your legs off.

anything that helps you get to work faster and easier is worth a few hundred bucks, easily.

you think youre being effecient, but youre doing the opposite

 the best 3d model software for the purpose of poses for drawing is DESIGN DOLL

try it on for size and let me know if you find something better.

>learn anatomy in no fucking time

unrealistic attitude, will lead to pointless frustration.

the human figure is probably the most difficult thing to learn how to draw, there is no universe where it wont take years, its normal.

tracing is fine, idc. As long as the result is beautiful, do it. fuck anyone who tells you otherwise.
>>7177623
ACTUAL GOOD ADVICE :

>MICHAEL HAMPTON FIGURE DRAWING DESIGN AND INVENTION

better than loomis

>STUDY DESIGN FOR POSING

(secret) posing is actually using design to tell a story. start w frank frazetta

>>7177891
Because pro knows his shit. I've seen people using 3DM again and again and it looks like shit and they hamper their own progress. Personally I am faster and more expressive drawing a figure from memory than tracing a 3DM. But go ahead and use them, they're just a tool. But if you really want to improve, attend figure drawing classes, do life drawing, read Gottfried Bammes

>>7177623
Use these sites, just draw, try to understand what you're drawing in terms of structure, then you'll be able to recreate it at any angle but you have to copy the real thing until it's solid in your head, increase your visual library for poses, when creating a pose from scratch, what is the pose that best fits the scene/character? Take into account center of mass/weight.

https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/<wbr>timed
https://www.quickposes.com/en
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en<wbr>
https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/<wbr>random
https://www.characterdesigns.com/no<wbr>n-nude-photo-index
https://www.lovelifedrawing.com/tut<wbr>orials/
https://app.posemy.art/


m4 ipad pro

is there any significant risk of oled burn in with this thing? especially for artists who are going to be using procreate all the time. i really like everything else about this but the oled screen is actually keeping me from buying it, i was considering getting an ipad air 2024 instead but it isn't a 120hz screen which is really important for cursor to physical pen latency

>>7177688
I've been using 60hz screen tablets for 15 years and never once have I ever thought "man, the latency when I draw on this is fucking ass"

>>7177700
you feel it when you go from 120hz to 60hz. I was using an M1 Ipad Pro and tried to "upgrade" to a 4k Wacom just to discover the brush latency thing and figure out it was linked to HZ after some research. Ended up going back to the Ipad and shoving the Wacom under my bed.

>>7177710
also ended up shelling $2000 for the Wacom Cintiq Pro 17 specifically because it was the only desktop tablet on the market with a 120hz screen. The latency thing is a non-issue on that, but I still end up never using it and just back to the Ipad anyway just because the touch controls are a lot less janky on the Ipad

Realistically if you don't do something crazy like leave the screen on for hours on end at full brightness it wouldn't just burn out that easily surely. <br>Besides this thing uses 2 layers of oled, right? Doesn't that imply that it uses less light from each individual layer to maintain the set brightness, prolonging the life of both layers?

>>7177710
>>7177688
you're not going to fucking die drawing on a 60hz screen, jesus christ you tech junkies make it sound like it's the worst thing to ever cross mankind

>>7177710
did you get used to the smooth glass. In the market and can't decide between 24 pro or a ipad. Kinda hate the smooth glass on my s6 lite, but I never used it enough to get used to it.

My cintiq 13 hd is nicer, but it's just a small unworkable size.

>>7177739
I eventually got used to it yeah, but I drew with a screen protector for the first two years before eventually just dealing with the smooth glass in favor of a better image. There's plenty of screen protector options for drawing on the thing they're just kind of overpriced and if you're really particular about things like me you'll notice the little sand paper particles on white backgrounds. Also the biggest ipad you can get is 13 inches so idk if you'd like that. If you're already really used to desktop set ups and don't care for portability I'd just do fhe 24 inch Wacom, the only reason I really loke the Ipad is because touch controls feel a lot smoother for me thsn keyboard than drawing and I've never found CSP/Photoshop brushes I like as much as Procreate brushes. It's way easier for me to get that traditional look using default tools Procreate has
>>7177738
idk why you're getting mad about it 60hz is fine if you're used to it. i can afford the nicer stuff for my drawing experience though so i do so

>>7177758
> If you're already really used to desktop set ups
i draw traditional and heavily prefer it but I need something to learn animation because trad animation is a fucking nightmare workflow. thanks for your input though, I'm going to try the ipad at a store this weekend.

>>7177769
bringing in a morpho book to copy in an apple store is going to look super cringey

>>7177769
i'd also recommended the wacom if you're doing animation specifically. Ipad is really good for painting but lacks in the animation category significantly compared to a desktop. Procreate Dreams sucks

>>7177788
doesn't studio trigger use ipads

>>7177829
>doesn't studio trigger use ipads
nta but completely different workflow than a hobbyist, they can move to desktop whenever its more convenient and work on a wacom.

>>7177729
No matter what you do it will burn in, in like 2-3 years the burn in will be visible,

>>7177833
I won't disagree with you but the fact that many of them choose to use an iPad despite having the option goes to show how versatile it is. I also know how crummy animating in procreate and dreams is and yet japanese mad lads are animating keys in procreate like it's business as usual.

>>7177688

Oled burn is a meme

I'm using a chinkshit OLED daily from 2019 until know (Mi9T Pro phone) and theres absolutely no oled burn.

>>7177688
went from 60hz to 120hz (S7 FE to S9 Ultra) and didn't notice any difference when drawing, it's pure meme material and if you really like ipads so much there's no reason not to just get an air now that it's also available in the bigger format

>>7178581
> animating keys in procreate
yea exactly, they move it into real software later to get a proper animation timeline.

that said, im liking the idea of tablet + superdisplay/easycanvas for doing some stuff on a PC.

>>7178669
Well no duh you're not going to be compositing several characters + effects together in procreate, it's gotta be transfered elsewhere at some point


How does this look?<br>I'm just trying to ask around, cause I think maybe the abdomen could be elongated or the hips could be bigger. Do you agree? Other good faith criticisms would be appreciated, keep in mind I don't have a tablet and I'm doing this by touchpad

>>7177865
It looks like you need to turn off stabilization and throw the line tool into the garbage


Its been a gradual process but the biggsst factor is that, he had children

>>7178105
for me its old jazza vids as background noise

>>7178105
he got more views doing the art challenges and wacky stuff. Now it's all he does.

>>7178105
nothing. he's better than everybody itt

>>7178105
I've always really hated the way he draws. I don't know if he's talented or not, but just looking at that cartoony version of himself there makes me angry. I wonder what it is about his style that sets me off so much?

>>7178137
It’s very 2000-2010 type shit. It’s just not in style anymore and it’s ugly. Reminds me of the main character from Braid.

>>7178105
Nearly all old school big YouTubers end up declining

>>7178137
>>7178143
I feel the same. Even back in the early 2000s era, something about his art feels soulless and boomery, kinda like CAD or Tom Preston.

>>7178105
He always seemed like someone fighting demons when the camera was off.

>>7178227
He's Aussie so I can imagine that

>>7178106
I'm gonna agree here.
My art career was flourishing, then I had to start caring for my grandparents and now I'm here to cope.
Art requires the freedom of solitude.

>>7178105
He fully embraced being a youtuber, clickbait thumbnails and all.

>>7178227
>Be mormon.
>Escape the hardcore side of it.
>Be one of the early full time adopters of youtube as a means of income.
>Be related to Shad, one of the internet's fastest growing new lolcows and all around talentless cocksuckers with dedicated hate channels and subreddits growing and mocking him for his effeminate behavior.
>Addicted to chasing the algorithm like everybody else.
Feel sorry for him honestly. I hope he continues to succeed in any case. Jazza's a great guy. He helped to uplift thousands of new beginner artists and largely serves as a creativity gateway.
Art wise he's not incredible, but back when he was doing tutorials, he was one of those guys that gently pushed absolute begs into deeper thinking about drawing beyond just imagination and symbol. People like this are just as valuable as those that teach more complex fundies by helping to lay the groundwork. If most other youtube art teachers target highschoolers and adults, Jazza is like the cool elementary school teacher.

>>7179027
It's not even guesswork. Jazza has a vlog where he discusses more personal matters and struggles.

>>7179031
Can you give a QRD? I think he must regret having a family, his wife looks fat and old for a guy like him. Also he looks gay as fuck. Like maybe he's one of those gays who married a "good woman" that supports him whatever the fuck he does and he got trapped in that situation. Now he can't live a faggot life with a wife and kids,not even secretly. He can't go open anyway, that would absolutely kill his "career".
At least that's what it looks like from the outside.

>>7178105
Nothing
He inspired me to start drawing back then, even i thought i don't watch him these days he's still better than most content creator artist and actually enjoy doing art unlike most /ic/

>>7179059
It's just the kids. Children kill their parents. They just happen to drag on in a zombie state for 18+ years until the crotchspawn leaves the nest and the parents, if lucky and young, can start living a real life again.


my comic again

i enjoyed reading the feedback last time

i want to enjoy it again

So did you fix anything or are you just attempting a personal blog to talk about yourself like the last 3656656165 times?

the whole thing:
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/<wbr>%C3%A4lien/is-the-past-going-to-sav<wbr>e-me/viewer?title_no=879438&episode<wbr>_no=1

>>7178166

well i am gonna keep going for one

and i fixed the cover

>>7178161
It's the only one of your comics I like because it's so unapologetically personal. That attitude is what makes an interesting story. Sadly very rare these days. That said, on a technical level your art and writing is on grade schooler level. I personally don't mind, but I doubt you'll ever reach any substantial amount of readers with art this underwhelming. I guess it's charming at least

>>7178403
my last project was a character design thing which has the best of my current abilities at display

Your writing is more painful than your art. Read actual literature books and underground autobio comics like American Splendour to learn how to use words to actually say something meaningful. If you write well enough you just need passable art to accompany the words.

I can tell you're an ESL since you don't use contractions and you have wonky syntax and tense. Fix your grammar and learn how to write naturally before attempting anything else.

>>7178462
Oh, those were yours? Saw them in another thread a while ago, fun designs. You based them on different coat of arms, right? Good stuff. Maybe there's hope for you after all. Like I said you have strength in your very personal approach to storytelling. That said, I do think some research would do you good. Your other comic about the prince made me cringe. While fundamentalists and extremists deserve ridicule, your lack of care and research shows. Drinking alcohol is haram, much like sodomy. Unless you actually show the hypocricy of the ruling class it just takes you out of the story. That's just the most glaring example, but it's very apparent that you neither know anything about Islam, not about the LGBTQ movement. Both have plenty of room for critique, yet you chose the most superficial approach, blowing things out of proportion while ignoring the core issues with those belief systems.

>>7178498
While I agree that reading more is benefitial to becoming a better writer, I believe that at its core writing, much like art, is about carefully observing and developing an understanding of things. Reflecting on how the world works. OP, your works are very introspective, which is good, but it's also clear that you lack a broader understanding of your surroundings. It's a very juvenile, self-centered world view. Which is still fun to read about, don't get me wrong. It's just apparent that you're still very young.

Also, I disagree with the anon saying your art is passable.This may sound harsh, but no one is gonna pick up a comic looking like this. Also why did you choose to lay it out right to left, if it's for a western audience? It's confusing.

>>7178500
The first page literally tells you anon is ESL. I'd say get a proper editor and/or translator. You can use deepl, but in my experience AI translations always end up sounding overly stiff and formal.

>>7178534
>>Also, I disagree with the anon saying your art is passable.This may sound harsh, but no one is gonna pick up a comic looking like this. Also why did you choose to lay it out right to left, if it's for a western audience? It's confusing.

its left to right. you mean how the speech bubble is alligned to the right constantly?

pic related is one of the most celebrated comic artists in france.
its more about execution. not coping, i aknowledge i can improve

>>7178553
Notice how every element of the art & writing reflects a certain culture and captures the milieu of the period it aims to depict? Have you even read Stendhal? If you want to create art that people give a shit about, you need to learn more about the world and step outside your own boundaries. Study literature, history, psychology, philosophy, and figure out ways to get it into visual form. You are decades or even centuries away from achieving anything akin to the 'execution' of the comic you just posted, either visually or narratively.


Are these way of practicing right? How can I draw the volume and gestures correctly? I keep drawing and everytime I draw I realize I have been unconciously doing contour drawing. Sure contour has its role but I don't want to always contour draw. And I can't get proper sense of proportion too and that causes me to not able to copy over 90% accurately. It saps out my willpower to draw. What to do?

>>7178210
I tried reading it and I still keep contour drawing. Thanks for advice anyway.

>>7178210
Maybe I didn't read and implement it correctly. Might be because of my schizophrenia. Having hard time to learn new things.

>>7178205
The only wrong way to practice is to not practice. You will learn more with time and experience. If you have a clear goal to work toward then you will learn faster. So have patience and consistency and you'll get it. Keep up the good work.

>>7178217
Thank you. You have kind heart. Wish you luck.

Honestly depends on your goals. If you're aiming to do comics/manga for example having the ability to get your vision onto the page is more important than fluid gesture: just look at the art of AoT or Hinamatsuri. Doing things the 'right' way is only if you want to get a job as an animator or something or if you want to impress people on this board

What ever can be the goal here my sweet anon?
Either way, draw what you love to draw, then draw the opposite, then draw the upside down...
If you love the contour, then start from the middle somewhat elevated
That;s it


>Good A.I. art is not recognizable as such.

It's the whole CGI debacle again

CGI didn't rob people in order to function.

>>7177978
I don't like lying to people. Why would they hide the fact that its cgi/ai? If they're proud of it, they should be up front.

>>7177978
>Good A.I. art is not recognizable as such.
naw, opposite really. The best uses of AI lean into grotesque and uncanny elements inherent in it. Kanye West's Vultures video and Harmony Korine's Aggro Dr1ft come to mind.
Mediums that imitate other mediums just become ersatz art (same with digital—no matter how good digital brushes emulate paint and ink nothing beats the real thing).

>>7177978
Because to make it not look like AI you have to transform it even further, like draw over it, color balance, fix here and there. A typical AIfag isnt capable of doing that.

>>7178113
The only good use of AI so far is with creepypasta youtubers like Lighthouse Horror (for random creepy images), and there's also the guys that made the "the best 3D ASMR Experiment" series where the in universe is like you've been caught by a sentient AI and being experimented on. but he went all out of his way using other techniques like found footage, VR, using OpenAI's video generator to make creepy in-universe propaganda, and so on. It's pretty obvious that the reason why people dont like AI is because typical AIfags is dominated by lazy fucks with condescending attitude who equates figuring out some keywords as 'skills'.

>>7177978
I completely disagree. The most interesting uses of it have been when it's very overtly AI. When it's trying to be human, it'll churn out the same boring Instagram head shots.
Lean into what the AI does well; crazy patterns, overt details, uncanny valley stuff, images within images, etc. Have it draw a crowded city spiraling further and further down.
I'm so sick of the same greasy 'realistic' look from AI, the ugly faux pixar shit or worse, the infinite amount of shitty anime it pumps out.
I hope this kills that art style and japan moves onto something else, because I'm sure the same faggots who trained the AIs on it love that style and they'd be devastated.


>started at 23
How do you cope with being a late starter

>>7178261
You can't. You only have 2 years left before your neuroplasticity runs out at 25.

>>7178261
90 percent of this god forsaken board consists of late starters.
This is why everyone here is so damn bitter. They feel that they "missed the boat" and are trying to make up for lost time.
This is why I can not in good faith, recommend anyone over 18 to take up art, even as a hobby.
Adult starters end up destroying their own well being out of desperation with few exceptions

>>7178261
Yeah, how does anyone cope with the fact that they started something new, and aren't immediately experts?
>>7178275
Never get any new hobbies, or you'll destroy your life. You will remain exactly as you are the moment you turn 18.

Seriously, they talk about how younger generations are becoming coddled and weak, and it's threads like this that make me agree. Stop being pathetic; it's a hobby, fucking enjoy it!

>>7178281
Age does matter if you are trying to become a professional
>Inb4: art jobs bad

>>7178281
Drawing isn't like other hobbies and I don't know why anons pretend otherwise

>>7178284
If you're still a beginner why are you even thinking about professiona prospects? Focus on the next step, not on the top of the tower.

>>7178281
Sometimes quitting is the right choice
This is why I hope MAID comes to America if I had a son I'd let him kill himself desu
Sexy bananas

>>7178287
Every pro artist aimed to be a pro at the beginning. Problem is damn near no one here has ever done pro work and has no drive to
>t. Worked in concept art and animation

>>7178289
>Every pro artist aimed to be a pro at the beginning
Every pro artist was a toddler drawing stickmen on kindergarten books at the beginning.

>>7178284
Many anons on this board absolutely hate the idea of doing art professionally
I feel it's a coping mechanism

>>7178290
Ok?
And that kid wanted to be a pro artist in the future
You also indirectly showed my point on it being important to start as a kid if you want any chance of being pro
Niggity diggity

>>7178291
That's a complete falsity. We all have professional artists we look up to and admire.
What we hate are wannabes flooding the board with "how do I get rich with art?" when they don't even have the balls to post their works.

>>7178292
>And that kid wanted to be a pro artist in the future
Nobody sticks to the same prospects from childhood to adulthood.

>>7178295
Absolute ngmi mentality
I promised myself if I didn't achieve my childhood ambitions I'd invent time travel to shoot my younger self in the head

>>7178297
So did you make it? What are your accomplishments?

>>7178298
I'm climbing my way up right now. Currently make around 1-2k on art comms and contracts.
Also working on a graphic novel

>>7178261
Tortoise and the hare.
Take it slow man.

I’m starting at 37. You can cope with the fact that at least you’re not 37.

Feels bad man.

>>7178261
Will you become one of the top artists like Kentaro Miura? Most likely not. If you put in the work let's say at least 1 hour but aim for 2-3 each day. You could become pretty decent in 2 years. David Finch reached industry standard in 2 years.

>>7178261
By knowing how you learn best, knowing what you want to do, coming up with a plan to get there, and following through on it.

>>7178290
Doesn't every kid do that? What kid doesn't draw? And if someone didn't do kid drawings as a child when there was no pressure and they could do things the truly enjoyed they wanted to them what appeal does at magically get in n they 30s?

>>7178342
Nevermind, I read that wrong I guess you're mostly saying the same thing I did

>>7178284
No client, amateur or professional, will ever ask you your age
It doesn’t matter in the slightest unless you put “18” on your Twitter bio as a way to brag and increase your brand

>>7178261
csr started at 27, go draw faggot

its easier to learn if youre older. you can start drawing at 13 but you wont develop skills until later

>>7178261
>23
Don't lie anon you know you've been drawing for 5 months back in 2021 it's been 3 years now and you are already 30.

>>7178261
By laughing at the old fags who started drawing at 24, duh

>>7178435
Were you still drawing like an elementary school kid at 13?

>>7178443
>picrel
no i started drawing young and was far ahead at 13. concepts like 3d shapes and shit take time for your brain to develop, and you absorb more information on forms and shit as you get older. if youre older you have more developed understandings and visual library and shit and can learn faster.

>>7178275
idk i'm 27 and just getting seriously into it and it's just fun. there will always be a ten year old chinese kid who mogs any skill i develop, but that doesn't mean 5 or 10 years of doing it to unwind can't get me good enough to quit my day job down the road. and if it doesn't at least i had fun

Does anyone have examples of late-starters who got pro or master tier?<br>I need some copium. Even better if they're people who have persisted over the years and not someone who got lucky and transformed over night.

>>7178455
>concepts like 3d shapes and shit take time for your brain to develop
They will develop faster, better and will be better ingrained in your drawing if you start practicing as a child.
>you absorb more information on forms and shit as you get older
Not as well as someone who got used to drawing since childhood.
>if youre older you have more developed understandings and visual library and shit and can learn faster
Your visual library will be inferior to that of someone who's used to observe things as an artist since childhood, because he started developing his skills early.

>>7178261
I started at 25 and I made it at 30.
I do art full time now.

>>7178261
>draw since 8
>stopped at 23
>picked up again at 43
skill issue, you're GMI

>>7178464
This is one of the few topics I'm interested in and so far the only painter I know who started after 18 with absolutely zero knowledge and became a master was Matisse (he started at 20).

>>7178466
>but if you DID start earlier youd be better!!!!
the point is if youre older you will still develop skills and at a faster rate than if you are younger. getting a career is not out of grasp as it wont take you as long to get good enough. malding that you didnt start earlier doesnt really help
also people neglect that there are plenty of highly skilled industry professionals who didnt start until their late 20s/ early 30s

Good thing I have another creative skill that I excel at (which I started before 18) so I don't suffer from artistic self-doubt and insecurity. Allows me to learn drawing for fun at my own pace.

>>7178482
>the point is if youre older you will still develop skills and at a faster rate than if you are younger.

Ykno one of the things muh neuroplasticity fags fail to mention is that it took ALL OF CHILDHOOD AND ADOLESCENCE to get to their current level at 18 or 23. The magical "1-2 years" you see get floated out there is shit I've only personally seen an adult do.

No one gave a shit about your age or face once you become good<br>Do you know the age of many Japanese artists?

I started at 12 and have been drawing everyday, and my art is still shit, I try harder than usual but then i just end up raging or feeling like crap. I wish i could enjoy things more.

>>7178818
for reference i have been drawing everyday for 7 months, not for years.

>>7178261
You cope by continuing to draw anyway because presumably you actually love to draw and are fanatical about its spiritual benefits, and aren't doing this out of some misguided desire for social clout or wealth.

I am Steven Zapata.


>>7178240
When you see the OP image with fresh eyes, it looks like a smear. The focus is on a ginger cat thing. The pale midriff above poo color pants looks bad two kinds of ways, maybe more.

>>7178240
I misread the logo as "tonkers". /dad/ has infiltrated my mind...

>>7178240
I remember reading this when I was in middle school. I thought it was going to be a high-fantasy adventure Hero Journey type of thing, but it was was mostly mellow drama, and furry sex so I stopped. Surprised it's still going.

Daily reminder to not give up, this guy has been drawing for over 20 years. He also started getting really good at around 2015.

Pic related is pretty much 20 years apart.

Never give up.

>>7178270
>Check the guy's patreon
>He makes 9000 a month
>from mostly doing sketch requests from patrons

How does he do it? Is it the power of furry? His stuff is good though

>>7178270
that's really not a lot of improvement for 20 years

>>7178270
That's... not great progress of 20 years of consistent work. He's definitely a "good artist" now, but the average /beg/ could get on this level just by grinding fundies and practicing daily for like 2 - 3 years.

>>7178270
>left mogs me
It's unironically over for me

>>7178240
Isn't he the brother of Markiplier?

>>7178270
You mean 2 years apart right?
No way in hell he only improved this much in 2 fucking decades.
That's way more than 10k hours of practice, he should be way better than this.
>>7178273
>He makes 9000 a month
I just checked and he used to make 26k...
Furry art really is the path to riches.

>>7178273
He has a loyal following from his shitty webcomic

>>7178424
He's also an old guard furry. Basically got in at the foundation, so the bar was pretty low. Probably not that way anymore. You probably at least need the ability to produce high fidelity or a lot of creativity for anyone to even consider caring about your work. Other furfags feel free to correct me tho.

>>7178276
>>7178277
I just wish for once you gay fagot no-draw niggers would post what marks your hands can make other than shit talk.

>>7178479
>He's also an old guard furry. Basically got in at the foundation, so the bar was pretty low
Correct
>Probably not that way anymore
The bar is higher now and most furry artists won't make 10% of how much that guy used to make BUT I came across furries that started in the mid and late 2010s that make more or less 20k per month so it's still possible.
They're not God tier artists either, but their art is more geared to their NSFW games and animations instead of webcomics so it makes sense.

>>7178540
>20k per month
We talkin USD or some hyperinflated funny money? Because I've never even broken 30k A YEAR working a normie 9 to 5. I can't imagine needing more than that.

If the people pulling that aren't "God-tier" in an oversaturated niche, seems like a really good path to go down. I just started drawing anthros recently too.

>>7178240
Gabe is already better than 75% of /ic/, in 5 years hes going to murder stomp this board.

>>7178618
If the whole board will decide to stagnate in these 5 years for absolutely no reason

>>7178277
>>7178276
So? At least he improved. Post your work or fuck off crabbgers

>>7178618
Wow this is perfectly in between high beg and low int

>>7178689
check the /int/ threads again to learn what /int/ really means. This is mid-high /beg/.

>>7178700
>mid-high /beg/
What did he mean by this?

>>7178618
I unironically do not understand the hate of Gabe here, his stuff is better than most of /ic/, (mogs me as well) but the biggest thing is that he actually draws. Also his stuff does have appeal.

>>7179001
His problem is that he's a raging attentionwhore. He would be tripfagging if this was 2010.


2D > 3D

help w the KEY:
(1), (2), (3)...

>t draftsman_z

>>7178208
>(1) raven black shiny str8 hair
>(2) exotic string swimwear w anal jewelry
>(3)...


Any tips on how to improve my colouring? I'm not going for anything realistic or complex but i also don't want it to look too simple like it was made by child on MS paint. Please pay no mind to the content of picrel lol

Stop coloring human skin in bubblegum pink, start establishing a light source for your scene and shade accordingly.

>>7178469
>start establishing a light source for your scene and shade accordingly
Thanks. What's wrong with the skin color though?

>>7178475
>Thanks
Also establish the color of the light and make sure it blends with the objects it touches. If your character is under the sunlight the highlights should be close to white, if they're near a flame they should be orange, and so on.
>What's wrong with the skin color though?
It's too pink. Human skin is closer to a yellow-orangish hue, this applies to both dark-skinned and light-skinned people.
If you made the skin of your character darker it wouldn't look tan, it would look like a purple alien. Take that into consideration when you color.

>>7178481
>If your character is under the sunlight the highlights should be close to white, if they're near a flame they should be orange, and so on.
I see. I haven't taken lighting very seriously so i still suck at wroking with it. I'll practice more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2O<wbr>eIi-kkW4<br>this is joke right


Glasses make you a worse artist.

Having bad vision is actually a gift for art. It removes all the irrelevant small details and allows you to see the tonal relationships and the larger picture. I also suspect that glasses impair your ability to imagine and visualize

>>7178335
If I put my glasses on and squint then it does blur everything, but my eyelashes cover up part of my vision and make everything darker than it actually is.

No glasses is like looking at everything with a blur filter while squinting is like a blur filter and increasing the contrast. I still squint without my glasses when I want to see an even better separation of light and dark, but it's nice to be locked into a mode of vision where all of the details that will just trip you up aren't even visible at all.

I've seen painting videos where they recommend blurring the reference in photoshop, but people with shitty eyesight get this by default and can do it everywhere

glasses make you use a different medium?

>>7178322
I don't need glasses, I just defocus my eyes to get a blurry image

i have astigmatism if i draw without glasses my shit is super distorted

>>7178322
>suddenly remember all the times I saw Kim Jung Gi flipping his glasses on or off
Might actually be onto something

>>7178322
>He can't blur his vision on command without squinting
NGMI

>>7178422
ye perfect vision but ive blurred my eyes for drawing since i was a kid, helps control unnecessary hyperfocus and stops eye rattles

>>7178322
>glasses make you a worse artist
based on your little theory in this thread the opposite would be true, if you wear glasses then you can switch your perception simply by removing them and enjoy the benefits of both ways of seeing
unless you have astigmatism lmao fuck you and rip


reminder that you only need gray, colors are for plebs

>>7178601
Well, grey and the green/blue hue that makes the grey look red.

>>7178601
I think it's really funny that these are two swatches of the same seeming red tone instead of two distinct colors, lol

blackpill me on humans perception of color

>>7178601
Blatant lie, that train is clearly red. You'd have to be an idiot to think it's actually gray.

>>7178601
>only need gray
>large swathes of the picture are cyan
You're retarded. You only need relationships.
This image only illustrates that, if you take an equal amount of color out of the whole image, the red still stays perceptively red. If you give it even a modicum of though, then you realize that washes and photo filters work absolute the same way.


>you will never live here picking berries and breathing unpolluted air
Why even live

>>7178542
Yup. I'll end up in the lake of fire just like every single one of you

>>7178542
>>7178577

I touched grass today. You good?

>>7178542
I too listened to Tool in high school.

>>7178542
Literally just Alaska but you dont get to see an alien spacecraft (Lockheed Martin branded) fly by every few days


going mobile with the art, need recs

ive always worked on a desktop and screened drawing tablet. im considering going mobile this summer so i can start hard focusing and/or studying at the library, or be able to go on trips with my family without missing work

what's a good screened tablet to get for mobile purposes? im considering getting a large ipad with the apple pen for clip studio paint, but have never owned an ipad before, so idk where to start, or if theres other mobile screened options.

laptop recommendations also welcome, bc i need one of those as well for work.

would like to keep budget under $2.5k, but that's my average. would rather buy quality over garbage btw

god I think I would fuck McFuck for 10 grands, what is this world?

>>7178570
Ipad pro with procreate is the best portable option for digital art

>>7178570
I have an iPad 12.9 6th gen and Pencil 2 and I love it, but it's not the only option. Each of the major tablet manufacturers has a mobile option, but they can get really expensive. Wacom MobileStudio Pro, Huion Kamvas Studio, and the new XP-Pen Magic Drawing Pad. Huion also offers an Android tablet. MobileStudio and Kamvas Studio run Windows, XP-Pen is Android only. Samsung Galaxy Tabs and Microsoft Surface also exist, and I know artists that use them.

What sold me on the iPad was the 120Hz screen (no lag) the higher brightness, and the battery life. I didn't want to spend a ton of money on a tablet if I wasn't getting the best experience I could. I didn't think Android had any killer software and I didn't think dealing with Windows mobile was a good idea. I didn't want a separate subscription for CSP (your existing license won't transfer) so I bought Procreate and it's been great, tons of community support and assets. If you want to use it at the library I'd also recommend looking into a bag, stand, and case. Go to your library and see if they have a place to charge whichever tablet you buy. If you're concerned about pulling the trigger, find a store that will let you test it out. I didn't make my final decision until I went to a Best Buy to test out all the models.

>>7178570
>ten grand
Hah, that's not Scrooge.

Wtf is with the brown accents?
Does he have IBS or something?
I thought that was a big juicy duck dick until I saw that wet cradle of diarrhea around his balls. Now I'm pretty sure thats a giant dump and he's paying you 10k to change his diaper.

>>7179396
It's supposed to be bounce light from the coins


No matter how you spin it, getting chink products is financially better.

>Buy Huion tablet
>It breaks after warranty ends, so you have to buy another.
>Wacom tablets cost 3x the price for the same value.
>This means economically it's cheaper, and only gets more expensive after you gone through your 3rd warranty.
>but by then a wacom tablet of equal value would've had its warranty give out too and also break.

There's no reason not to get the chinese tablets.

Meant to say, buy chinese tablet. let it break after warranty ends. buy another. Still cheaper than getting a wacom tablet. You'll look stupid if you gamble on wacom, then it malfunctions 2 days after your warranty expired cause you decided to gamble. You might as well get chinese product where you already know what to expect and can budget around it.

>>7179098
My Intuos 4 is 14 years old and works almost as good as new.
I'm still using it because I've tested newer tablets and it still performs better than anything new of similar cost.

Chinaman makes good value trad stuff, but their digital offerings are outright scams.

>>7179100
>intuos 4

Wacom has their own scam going too. They let their cheap products like bamboo and intuos, last a long time. It makes people go "wow, wacom sure is the best company ever" so that people get motivated to buy their $3k tablet. Then that dogshit ends up breaking 2 days after your warranty ends. It's a higher level version of scamming. Whenever you hear of people praise wacoms lifespan, it's always with the cheaper products. The scam is to give you confidence to dump all your money on the big purchases.

>>7179098
You're assuming the Chinese would actually respect your warranty.

Oh no bros wacumguzzler forgot his meds again...

>>7179098
>>7179099
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>>7179116
I'm not buying your slant-eye, dicklet slop Chang you can give up shilling.

>>7179114
stop giving money to companies that hate you

>>7179098
I got a cintiq 16 in 2019 for 650$ which I still daily drives. whether or not if makes financial sense really depends on the price of the other products that you are suggesting and how long they are expected to last. I can I see some number please?

>>7179098
huion kamvas pro has been my daily driver for illustration since dec 2019, i wouldn't put out 1k for the wacom equivalent. i've used the Bamboo tab, One, & Cintiq for uni and work, each has its own kinks and weakness. my impression was underwhelming with how they are touted as industry standard, the performance was just comparable rather than deluxe, my hardware preferences (pen, stand, buttons) are definitely huion

just buy used, i got a cintiq 22hd for $300

>>7179131
This is unavoidable. All companies hate you.

>>7179098
>Wacom tablets cost 3x the price for the same value.
More like for a better value. It's up to your poorfaggotry if you can afford it or not.
If you say the qualiti is the same, then that's just coping on your part.

>>7179166
> + 2000 Social Credit points!
Good work Chai Long!

>>7179098
I've had a Wacom tablet and used it continuously without issue for like 10 years. Unless Wacom's quality control has seriously dropped, you're full of it.
I will preface this though, by stating I've only used screenless drawing tablet. Personally I'm not sure if I'll ever take the plunge into screen tablets; something about them is off putting to me, like it's trying too hard to be like regular drawing then, rather than digital drawing.

>>7179100
Had my little wacoom bamboo for 16 years and works like a charm, my little babeh.

>>7179099

Anon I have had my intuos 3 since 2008 and I still use it today, and trust me, it has seen a lot of use. You’re full of shit. Enjoy your chink spyware.

I gave Huion a chance and they ruined my trust. Never again.

I got a wacom and the cable broke 2 months in and they wouldn't send me a new one, the chink brands taking over the market is well deserved

My Kamvas GT 191 still holds up and I got it when it was new. The only thing that I needed was a new pen. That's not to say there hasn't been issues on the tech level.

>>7179131
>Nigga believes that a company can love their coomsumers
Why are artists so dumb? I don't draw btw

>>7179166
>huion kamvas pro has been my daily driver for illustration since dec 2019
I have a Huion Inspiroy 420 since 2019 and it's working somehow. Wacom is definitely better but Huion is decent.

>>7179369
>>7179177
as far as i can tell neither samsung, wacom, xppen nor huion have made spiritually evil commercials where they crush a truckload of art supplies, art and instruments in a hydraulic press

Consider that a whole lot of chink companies is essentially waiting for Wacom patents to end

>>7179098
also, the quality of the products is actually good now, except for maybe the low tier range, and the low range brands like ugee or parblo, but anything mid or high tier is actually good. I have one from huion for like 4 years now and dont even have scratches yet, any, i could just sell the thing looks like new, so you already covered the invest time and also for a fraction of the price, for the same quality in the drawing experience. You would have to be stupid to buy something that costs double or even triple in some countries.
And the really key point here is that the drawing tech already reach the point were all is good unless the product is trying really hard to appeal to the lower price loosing quality, but everyone already can identify those products because is like, extremely explicit, like those tablets that cost like 20 bucks, or 30, you know that are cheap, they are specifically for that, but if you go for the let say... 70-100usd, all have the same quality, all of them, only exceptions are old products, obviously, but the differences are just a few, you could buy shit from 2020 and you are good with that.
Good drawing tech for drawing on android has existed since 2012 almost with the samsung galaxy note of that year, if you had the luck to test that tablet back in the day, everyone can tell you that the shit was already good to make drawings, it just was left behind only only because the hardware didn't have enough power yet, just remember android's cpu and ram from 10 years ago... now every cheap tablet destroys their asses with the most basic models cpu's.
That same shit happen with drawing tablets today but the range is even more wide because the main tech is only one.


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>>7178955
What's this, some satanic shit?
Satanic Dubs checked.


Bargue Plates

What's the point of this? If this course is legit https://www.youtube.com/@thedavinci<wbr>initiative5045/videos then this whole process turns you into a human Xerox. Isn't it better to just grind 3D construction instead?

>>7179186
Training hand-eye coordination, drawing what you see rather than what you think you see, and anatomy knowledge, among other things, I would assume. Really, the same skills you'd learn from doing studies of any art, just more selectively curated for (hopefully) better learning.

That said, That book looks horrifically dull, so I haven't attempted it myself yet.

>>7179186
it's training wheels for cast drawing, it's used by ateliers so it's legit
I recommend grinding observation before 3d construction, observation is both the floor and ceiling of drawing skill


Why doesn't a good polish save the turd?

If rendering is the accurate casting of light onto the forms depicted by the drawing then that should be enough to save it. I think it's more accurate to say that a good drawing will cover up your poor rendering because if you were truly good at rendering then your bad drawing would come out looking like a skillfully rendered deformed person rather than a flat, amateurish painting

>>7179516
>Why doesn't a good polish save the turd?
Because he's busy taking in Ukrainian refugees.