/fag/ - Furry Art General

ur a fgt edition

>What is /fag/?
This is the Furry Art General thread, here we post everything related to kemono, furry, and animals alike.

>Rules & Guidelines
Please refrain from flaming, causing drama or replying/feeding those who cause such.
This is a SFW thread only, please take caution so you don't get BANNED for posting NSFW art.
This general is NOT and NEVER will be affiliated with any discord servers, DO NOT click any of the discord links that are spammed here!
As always, don't be afraid to ask for critique!

>Resources
https://www.lackadaisycats.com/ishk<wbr>abibble.php
https://x6ud.github.io/
https://sketchfab.com/calacademy
https://sketchfab.com/uod_museums
https://sketchfab.com/osuecampus
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw<wbr>QnoDwr_NeAcKDRzqNfSRQ/videos
https://mega.nz/file/b5tFhKhC#ro27W<wbr>6YRYGpWPCKGolp4Z6Mkeg3o7l9smy8EmZi2<wbr>6O8
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv<wbr>6Z1VKjRcx8-uUyBNyQm1g/videos

Previous Thread: >>7143750

Attempt at a femboy moose for a comic I am making.

>>7162468
damn OP image barely passes rule 3. You love to see it though

>>7162494
good drawing
but he still looks too masculine for a femboy

>>7162561
Thanks.
I wanted him to retain some masculine traits, he goes for a girl in the story after all.

>>7162513
well, if i get banned so be it.

Mommy Tanuki designs commission. Post 1/2

well this thread is off to a horny start UwU

>>7162861
Well let's keep it going then. Excuse the censorship loincloth.
Sticking to cel-shading from now on. Rendering sucks.

responding to >>7162352 in previous thread.
Your art's good dude, don't be hard on yourself.

somebody said they wanted to see something like this
i wanna kiss him on the mouth
>>7162494
Good morning, femboy moose
>>7162535
Good morning, braixen

well, if we're going lewd<br>https://files.catbox.moe/drnjx6.png<wbr>

>>7163101
Dude, did you buy a tabler or you already have it?

>i wanna kiss him on the mouth
Me neither and maybe h******d him

>>7163183
I already have it for a while, I just like the pencil more.
Also I'm unsure what h******d so I'm just gonna hope it's something nice.

>>7163206
>I already have it for a while, I just like the pencil more.
Oh, i can see it now. But think that a tablet makes your drawing looks better cuz it gives more opportunities.
Also, as alternative you can buy a scanner for sketches and don't just take pics from your phone, it just looks a bit messy.

>Also I'm unsure what h******d so I'm just gonna hope it's something nice.
An hand thing

What's a good resource for a complete beg to start drawing kemono and other types of heavily stylized furries? Something like the typical "anime head construction" (Loomis lite if you will) but for furries?

>>7163455
Somebody give this man the manga furries book

>>7162899
The legs and feet you did very well! I'm quite impressed. Especially the knees and that part on the other side of them, DAMN! GOD DAMN! But i think the one discrepancy that I'm noticing has to due with the head and neck. I think the neck muscles should connect to the back of the head instead of the head kind of just cutting into the neck and sitting on top of it, if you see what I mean. It looks kinda flat there in the area on the back of her neck. But overall it's just some healthy criticism, you did a great job :)

>>7163547
Thanks. To be honest with you, it doesn't feel like I did a good job at all. I think the whole piece is actually pretty representative of my own regression. I'm not sure what's going on, but I'm stuck. Or I've peaked, and now I just stagnate forever in mediocrity.
As for the back, yeah, I'm not great with back anatomy. I did omit the trapezius somewhat. Oh well. I'll keep it in mind for next time, if there is one.

>>7163543
blog? need that racoonussy in my life

>>7163466
nta but here's his blog
https://twitter.com/jamilsart

Bros, I'm so goddamn exhausted but I need to get these drawings done. I'm going to die. Can someone stick their finger into my butthole and tickle it so I can cum. It'll help me sleep easier tonight.
>>7162712
I have nothing to say. Just wanted to be part of the replies.
>>7162535
I will destroy Braixen!
>>7162899
Share you blog!
>>7163149
I'd suck that dick.
>>7163742
I like the way the ass came out, but for some reason when colored it looks less appealing to me? I'm not sure why, but it feels something is lacking.

>>7163751
> but for some reason when colored it looks less appealing to me?
This is how I feel about most of my stuff, good to have it confirmed by another person. Maybe I'm just bad with color, and it doesn't seem to get better.

>>7163755
I'm not familiar with colors, so I can't help you there. However, when I do play with colors, applying crazy gradients presets found on the CSP store page, or even adjusting the Opacity of the layer I'm coloring on always provides some really interesting color choices.

>>7163561
Cheer up, sport. We've all been there, but you just gotta remember where you came from and where you are now. Realizing that is important, because you remember the risks you took and the experiments you did to get better. Sometimes I wonder what my past self would say of he saw the art I make today, or if he would even believe that he would go on to be able to do stuff like that. That's what it's all about in my opinion.
And don't forget this slogan: "WAGMI"

Got a promotion a few months back and it's been eating at my free time with all this 'non-mandatory' overtime. Finally got a chance to draw properly. Someone made some fan art of my character a while back so I gave them this gift in return. Hopefully I haven't gone too rusty.

>>7162899
I think you've done a fantastic job at the shading. I really like the faint hatching peering through to help give even more volume than just using colors. It's not a technique I often see and it turned out well!

>>7163755
>>7163755
I'm not terribly good with colors either but I think I could offer some guidance.

Your flats are really unsaturated and luminous, which gives this unappealing washed out and dead look. Everything is so close to pure white it messes with the contrast.

Don't be afraid to darken the colors, especially in digital where monitors are going to lighten them up a bit anyways.

>>7163751
>Share you blog!
It's me, THE https://www.furaffinity.net/user/wi<wbr>stfulporpoise. You follow me on Twits but I don't post art there anymore, RIP.

>>7163761
I guess I just feel like I'm falling back to where I came from. Some days it feels like I'm making great progress, and then I look at what I've actually done and it feels less-than. Especially this year. Dunno what's going on in my noggin.

>>7163767
>I really like the faint hatching peering through
Thank you, I cheated. It's just a default CSP wood grain texture set on Overlay and clipped to the shadow layer. I bamboozled you.

>>7163769
I'll keep this in mind for the next panel, thanks for the tip

>>7163770
>It's me
Oh hey! Well damn, didn't know you have a furaffinity. I may have to make an account there soon enough. I've just been lazy/busy.

>>7163781
Just FA and bluesky for now, yeah. If you have a bluesky yourself drop it so I can follow you there too.
Always happy to see your bird.

So bros, how do I stop hating my own art?

>>7163794
Post your work so we can hate it for you.

>>7163794
first step is realising your artistic ability does not dictate your worth as a human

>>7163803
I have to post crop cause jannies

>>7163460
lol. my characters are 18+, though.

>>7163751
you and me both, brother

>>7163794
I think we all get that feeling from time to time, but your artwork looks good just from the thumbnail. catbox so we can see the full thing

>>7163824
>I think we all get that feeling from time to time, but your artwork looks good just from the thumbnail. catbox so we can see the full thing
https://files.catbox.moe/y2f31k.png<wbr>

>>7163751
>>7163770
>>7163781
>>7163786
Birdgummies simps in shambles

>>7163810
The rest of the world begs to differ.
They don’t know you personally, sex offenders like Valavari are still friends with big anthro/kemono artists like Vimhomeless and Smeckbo be able they’re insanely talented and you will be called lazy and compared to Andrew Dobson if your own art isn’t an Asian-tier Fdokkaku masterpiece. Crabs exist because most of the higher breeds control sheep and can be sheep themselves

>>7163829
>The rest of the world begs to differ.
>They don’t know you personally, sex offenders like Valavari are still friends with big anthro/kemono artists like Vimhomeless and Smeckbo be able they’re insanely talented and you will be called lazy and compared to Andrew Dobson if your own art isn’t an Asian-tier Fdokkaku masterpiece. Crabs exist because most of the higher breeds control sheep and can be sheep themselves
then just keep on hating yourself
good luck

>>7163829
you sound terminally online with that take ngl dude
it isnt healthy to look at things like that

>>7163827
well, tell us what you like and hate about it. you must have some sort of reasoning

>>7163829
>Birdgummies simps in shambles
I just want to jerk it to my favorite artists' work :[

>>7163751
Spread those butt cheeks. Sir Anal is coming to the party.

this thread is getting more and more lewd<br>look out!

Sir, another lewd has hit the thread

https://files.catbox.moe/fyqmxm.png<wbr>
https://files.catbox.moe/jq2gqo.png<wbr>
https://files.catbox.moe/l655cb.png<wbr>

>failed artist uses img2img/inpainting and an AI model super-focused on a specific style to fool 2k twitter followers in a week

>>7163827
Give her more appealing titties

>>7163829
birdgummies simps >>>>>>>>>>>> dogmaw simps

>>7163956
WHOA MOMMA!!
Supremely good.

But there's a cookie missing

>>7164088
I wish I had reverse-simps who would tell me how much my work sucked so I could improve...

>>7164156
I don't think there's a lot of value to be gained from a drive by "u suck" post.

>>7164158
That's not a reverse-simp, that's just a dummy. I meant someone who will obsess over my work in the same way simps do, but instead of constant, meaningless praise, they'll say things like, "You can do better waists than that. Did you even account for her pelvis in 3D space? Where the fuck is the iliac crest? Did you center the form? I didn't expect someone like you to make such amateur mistakes."
You know, like a tsundere fan. "It's not like I like your work or anything, I just think you shouldn't settle for being worse than anyone else, baka!"

>>7164162

A fledgling artist asks a tsundere artist for advice and the tsundere starts having feelings wouldn't be the WORST concept I've ever read in a manga...

>>7163840
“That troon raped animals and groomed kids over Discord but apparently he was popular for being a heckin’ wholesome citizen and not because his art was godly”

Step into the real world for once. Maybe if you spent even a fraction of your time there that you spend getting sucked off by Beezii on Xitter, you’d know the internet isn’t your friend

>>7164173
What the fuck are you talking about

>>7164181
Apparently a trans furry artist got arrested a couple years ago after admitting to ERPing with kids and having sex with a horse.
Said artist is close friends with Smekbo/isatorus and other highly regarded kemofurries that Anon idolizes

>>7163961
"WhiteV" on any website with a pulse

>>7164107
I knew someone would make that joke lol. Unfortunately I'm not really into that

>>7164282
>I knew someone would make that joke lol. Unfortunately I'm not really into that
It's all good, anonymous. Keep up the great work.

>>7162512
How are you this talented?
You’re self-taught, got here within 3 years, and it’s instantly recognizable and better than every single artist here.
Are you moots with Pasong and pizademo? Are you actually Japanese?

I need to know everything. It hurts me looking at your work, I get a horrible pain in my chest knowing I will never be you. I can’t take it, I want this to be what I’m capable of and nothing else, with the same flow and inhumanly perfect linework. I will cut my limbs off, sell my kidneys, gauge an eye out, I don’t care what it takes. I’ve thrown up from the insecurity, please God let me have this

>>7164302
i played a ton of fighting games in the years prior, which i think gave me a good idea of “learning how to learn”. ive also taught and coached before, so i think a lot of that also plays into the whole knowing how to structure my studying stuff.

i think anyone can do what i did, and probably do a lot better, even, given that i wasted a lot of time myself with some inefficient resources and resource-hunting. people are getting better at stuff all the time, and theyre getting better at it faster, too. people mogged me in fighting games in less than half the time because their access to resources was just way better. im only just starting to get to properly painting and putting clothes on my characters, so i think my hard focus on constructive drawing, anatomy, and shape language has helped me make up some of that time.

im trying to make a structured guide that ill put out at some point. i started with peter hans dynamic sketching videos, proko gesture, and copying my favorite artists a lot. especially tenpura, who i usually watch stream and drawalong with every time i get the chance. picrel, seeing their process, what shapes they use to construct with, etc is really helpful

i would say if you want convincing kemo style stuff, put a lot of points into line confidence and studying the shapes your favorite artists use; pay particular attention to proportion. accuracy is key - which is something a lot of art regimens, like bargue, impress early on. id watch that one krenz lecture too, which i can link later if you want.

if youre obsessed with kemono and copy it faithfully snd critically, youll come to understand how its drawn. its not magic. trace if you have to, just to build up confidence in the fact that your hands are capable of doing it. i believe in you, anon

>>7163926
l-l-l-lewd!
>>7164557
fighting game chad.

>>7163956
Anthros would be awful cooks. Getting their fur into all the food. Just disgusting.

>>7164752
the hairy italian dude that makes me pizzas has some hair falling in sometimes
it adds more flavor i have found
so anthros would be great cooks, more fur = more flavor

>>7164752
tfw you have to insist yourfurry wife wears a full-body hair net when she cooks
tfw it's kind of hot...

>>7164302
are you me?
I've been at this since 2009, about to end it all soon

>>7164778
I already whined in this thread
>>7163827

>>7164302
>latinx appealfagslop
>better than every single artist here
You're blind, baby. You're blind from the facts on who you are 'cause you're watchin' that garbage.

>>7164557
Thanks for the leeway. I’ll follow it to the letter. Bless you
[quote]I’ll retrace every step down to your FGC history. What games did you compete in?[/quote]

>>7164820
I’m white. Is it bad to focus on stylistic appeal above the technical side or is that referring to something else?
I’ve seen beginners with minimal technical skill who still gain a lot of attention for their art just being stylistically soulful. Most of them are Japanese or Brazillian, usually in little obscure corners of Pixiv and Newgrounds

>>7164846
I played Guilty gear Xrd and Blazblue mostly. I still do gesture practice with those games' keyposes. Gl

this has been sitting in my wips folder for a month, i have 0 dedication. i have a shameful wip collage i update every month to remind me that i cannot commit to my art. it's not even that i'm unsatisfied with what i draw, i just can't finish anything. i actually really like this one.

i will never take commissions because of this, despite people constantly asking.

how do i stop this? every time i draw, i just get another idea and immediately drop what i was drawing previously.

>>7164797
>>7163827
Personally, I see nothing wrong with your works. I think it's fine. Granted, I don't like the way the boobs work there, but that's just me.
But your discouragement might come from seeing other's work and feeling you've on the wrong path. With that mindset, I'd suggest finding your favorite artists work and try to fanart it as best as possible. Naoki Saito has a video on this. In short; just try your best to Mimic your favorite artists (only one artists), and upon your failing you'll tumble upon your own style that has more appeal because you were aiming towards your inspirations.

>>7164871
I appreciate it man, I really do. Sadly I don't know what artist I would even consider my favourite, the folder in which I collect art I like is so vastly diversified it's hard to find a common artstyle. I guss I would have to sift through it and find what I like most but I'm not sure where I would even start there.
As for boobs on that Loona, technically she is supposed to be leaning back so her boobs go sideways but I guess I didn't pronounce that enough.

>>7164887
>As for boobs on that Loona, technically she is supposed to be leaning back so her boobs go sideways but I guess I didn't pronounce that enough.
In that case, the lean back isn't clear in this image. But, it isn't because you failed to do the lean back properly. In 2D, you'll NEED to exaggerate the pose, and there will be times where in order to fix it, you just need to exaggerate it even more. Don't be afraid to break the anatomy, as an appealing pose can save a bad drawing.
>Sadly I don't know what artist I would even consider my favourite
Sounds like the problem is an overwhelming amount of choices. Thing is, if you jump around from all inspirations, you keep starting all over. You don't even have to pick up a pencil, this effects your Eye judgement just by seeing the artwork. This is why you may not see progress. It's ideal to select that One artists and follow their path in hopes to obtain Some of their style. Upon failing, when you do stumble upon your style, the beauty behind that is you'll have a more proficient knowledge on style, it'll then be easier to shift from one style to another.

>>7164904
>Thing is, if you jump around from all inspirations, you keep starting all over. You don't even have to pick up a pencil, this effects your Eye judgement just by seeing the artwork. This is why you may not see progress. It's ideal to select that One artists and follow their path in hopes to obtain Some of their style
that is going to be the hardest thing to do.... guess I have a lot of stuff to think about and to do. I should probably categorize it all by artists but with the amount of the pictures I have it's gonna be hard. Thank you for the new perspective on this though, I hope I can use it somehow, picking stuff and making decisions is my greatest failing I would say.

>>7162711
Don’t forget to hug your mum and tell her how much you appreciate her.

>>7164947
Really nice sagging breasts. Perfectly plump. Would treat her with plenty of cat food and marshmallows.

months in the making<br>https://files.catbox.moe/tym4ca.png<wbr>

>>7164860
there is no easy answer to this, besides discipline
motivation is temporary, discipline is what helps you finish things

>>7164871
Okay but what if someone just wants THAT style? (IE >>7164848 )
Two artists can be equally good, but I’ve never seen a single westerner in my life other than him who can draw in a style that looks so convincingly eastern that I couldn’t discern him from Japanese artists.
No amount of hundreds of anime imitators have ever fooled me before except for this guy. It’s unreal

Can a brother get feedback on the anatomy and drawing in general? Ended up not using ref for the pose and I feel like it's looking a bit awkward. Besides, thinking where to put 4 arms is becoming too difficult for me and it's getting harder to see the mistakes.

>>7165290
honestly theres really nothing "wrong" its just an execution lack rn. just keep drawing : )

>>7165282
>>7165334
Kemono nerds in swirly glasses are god-tier.
Blog?

>>7165347
thank you !
>>7165345
i got one but I dont post much : )

does anybody know how to draw poppy playtime catnap?

>>7164340
The colors looking a lot better, good work

>>7165270
I’ve been thinking about making a thread on this if the question doesn’t have an easy answer, but even taking the mediocre ones into account, what is it about Japanese art styles that makes them so distinct?

I’ve been watching a lot of TukaretaINU and it’s trying to go for a humorously ugly Adult Swim-esc style while still clearly looking natively Japanese.

Even professional western artists like in shows like Teen Titans and Avatar have something in the artstyle that looks just off enough to tell that it’s not really Japanese while a lot of Asian kids just starting out with MS Paint scribbles still draw Pokemon in a way American adults can’t quite capture. Why is that?

My insecurity has always been that certain art is “Japan-coded”, like you can tell the cultural background of someone just based on something as seemingly small as linework.
I’ll dig around for more examples and post as I find them

>>7165282
>>7165334
Do you draw Gurler? It looks similar

the whole "muh japanese art style" people are so tiresome
imagine if you put that autistic obsession into actually drawing, how much you could improve

>"I just copied and studied my fav jap artist"
>"wow but how did you get such a distincly eastern style?"
>"I told you, i just studied eastern artists"
>"Wow you must be naturally talented to be able to make art looking so japanese..."
>"Bro, I just studied japanese artists, its not magic"
>"But how do you do that?"
>*proceeds to explain study method*
>"Wow how can you even achieve that when other artists still look so western?"
its all so tiresome with these people

>>7165605
He actually drew something. Ergo, not howie.

>>7165620
a howie isnt about not drawing, its about asking endless questions avoiding obvious answers even when given directly

>>7165624
>asked a single question
>posted his work directly related to the question
>did not avoid answers (on the account of not being given any but still)
not howie

>>7165611
Why do white artists alway fuck up copying it though?
Out of the hundreds of westoids copying anime I see every day on social media and art sites, only one made work that authentically looks like it was made by a mangaka and could convince me he was east Asian.
Everything else either looks like an out of touch How2Draw Manga book, Class of 09, or a MikeyMegaMega tutorial. Sure the latter is technically skilled but he lacks the eastern talent for his “anime girls” to actually look like real anime

>>7165627
Because westoids are brought up on westoid media that leaves irreparable damage.

>>7165627
stop this east vs west shitposting right the fuck now

>>7165270
>but I’ve never seen a single westerner in my life other than him who can draw in a style that looks so convincingly eastern that I couldn’t discern him from Japanese artists.
Sounds like you've never seen anime before nor understand how Anime is developed. Because of this, it's hard to break down how exactly you should approach this cause you come off sounding like a complete beg. Finish Loomis, then we can talk.

>>7165282
>why am I being named dropped
cause you a nerd

>>7165611
Agreed. This idea is majorly stupid. I studied one master and used to draw very similarly to him, but have since deviated and grown. Wow, who would have guessed? I chose not to study eastern art because I dont want to be random eastern artist #5747838573838 with no variation in my style to distinguish me from the rest ((here's your answer >>7165627)
which, any creative variation you make, since you aren't genetically asian, would get you called westoid). If someone wants to create unique drawings, they should not be flamed for it.

Another example is realism obsession. The exact same problem: you arent a real artist unless you can become a camera and do nothing fun with art ever (these people completely ignoring the fact that art creation is about expression).

This whole eastern/western artist drama is bell curve behavioir. "I'll draw what I want!"-> "Nooooo eastern artist waifus I need to draw eastern"->I'll draw what I want!" Just draw and stop obsessing with perfectly mimicking your style to fit the cookie cutter "eastern" mold.

>>7165696
>This whole eastern/western artist drama is bell curve behavioir. "I'll draw what I want!"-> "Nooooo eastern artist waifus I need to draw eastern"->I'll draw what I want!" Just draw and stop obsessing with perfectly mimicking your style to fit the cookie cutter "eastern" mold.
nailed it

any tips for female torso and hips? I get filtered.

>>7165334
Glad that there's not a big mistake in the drawing. Thanks anon!

>>7165473
use this site;'

https://x6ud.github.io/#/

>>7165473
>>7165796
I’ll be honest, I like the original sketch more than the redline

>>7166426
Probably because it looks closer to being Japanese than the diet Disneyslop

>>7165678
The problem is that I’ve seen too many anime. All the little intricacies, angles, lines, sketchwork, etc that Japanese concept artists use are familiar enough to me that non-asians trying to replicate it is extremely obvious to me.
Yuto >>7162512 is the only one I’ve seen crack the code and make it work, which is why I’m hung up on his art specifically, especially from how far he got in a short amount of time

western>eastern by far in the case of furry art, generally. Don't know what you're all on about. Kemono usually feels counterfeit in comparison. That redline is better without doubt.

latest rita fuckage https://files.catbox.moe/exa14g.jpg<wbr>

also i don't really know how to feel about someone with 75k followers posting the pic on their twitter. sure they credited me, but didn't link anywhere. i just started using twitter myself and could've used the 1k likes they got on my pic...
(clout clout yada yada)

>>7166589
good job Kettu. Yeah it sucks when someone does this but honestly I wouldn't know what to do, never happened to me. I have never got 1k likes since I started my own lmao

>>7166599
thanks. also looks like it's just someone posting almost anything from e621 popular pages.

>>7166515
After seeing the absolute insanity with some furfags on the net, I think "sexual harassment" applies to BOTH

>>7166487
>realism

Gross. The only good western anthro art is when it’s heavily stylized. It’s only good when there’s toon appeal and it’s still extremely difficult to make work

>>7165054
Usually, do you manually make the blending by color picking, or do you prefer to use a blender?

>>7166672
But then you wouldn't see her cute little toes.

>>7166938
>bird enthusiast
>implying he's into plantigrade feet

>>7166662
Lol it's true. but this makes me think, and I really don't want people to think that I'm sexual harassment. Because I actually am against sex and the such.

>>7166967
>I actually am against sex and the such.
you are against seggx?
why?

>>7166984
Sorry, I meant against drawing it.

>>7167000
you could do it like how people draw anthro sharks: make the bottom flippers into a tail and give normal humanoid characteristics for basically everything else

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=anthro+sh<wbr>ark&t=brave&iar=images&iax=images&i<wbr>a=images

>>7167000
I think you're applying too much human anatomy to it. The picture on the right looks more like a human wearing one of those mermaid suits with how the "legs" bend.
Here is the skeleton of a seal which as you can see the legs are much shorter and yeah I think it speeks for itself

>>7167011
>I think you're applying too much human anatomy to it.
>anthro seal

I haven't been feeling too creatively inspired lately. I may start trying to sketch with gouache soon

>>7167137
You wanna get clocked or some shit?

>>7166715
depends. usually manual because i feel i have more control over it, but sometimes a blender is just easier. i want to stop blending so much desu

>>7167215
nigga... this btfos most of the people already with the quality

>>7167247
Thanks! I'm not satisfied yet with what I'm drawing with skill wise, but who is?

>>7167215
i haven't been involved in the threads a lot lately so sorry if you have before, but you got social links to post? You're legit.

>>7167002
>>7167011
Thanks! Def gonna try to make her legs a bit shorter.

>>7167225
after you
>>7167363
and return of two the doomers here on this thread.
>>7167271
blog please

>>7167382
Get lost bro, you're bitching and you weren't even the one receiving the suggestion.

TOTALLIGGERDEATH

>>7167363
born for catgirls
forced to furfag

Anonymous

>>7166589
that one anon is not gonna like this

>>7167382
twitter.com/doIdraw
although i barely upload stuff, might just start doing it

>>7167481
the one who thinks this thread is SFW by choice?

>>7167573
>>7166589
Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, it's breaking the "Unite Comrades!" Complex.

>>7167551
I love her

>>7167363
Go to the anime thread or something then. What are you even doing? You just want "generic anime girl" face plus cute cat ears which isn't remotely in the spirit of furry and imo looks aesthetically wrong.

TOTALLIGGERDEATH

>>7167551
need we state this thread’s opinions on lizards
leave

Anonymous

>>7168050
whats the problem with lizards?
did a muscle lizard futa cuck you and now youre mad?

>>7168050
nta, but dumbest take I've seen in awhile. I'll assume this is big brain reverse psychology and you actually want more scalies posted. I'll draw one just for you next time.

>>7168186
You think you're so smart. If you were so smart you wouldn't draw a fat goblin ass, because you're so smart. Also I hate goblins, I never want to see goblins in these threads ever. Do NOT draw goblins.

>>7168201
oh, yeah, punk? guess what? Now I'm gonna draw a ton of thicc, wet, sloppy shortstack scalies and goblin girls for my next piece! you'll get what you(we) deserve!

TOTALLIZARDEATH

>>7168186
please draw me a lizard im begging
at night i dream of my lizard wife loving me

Anonymous

>>7168272
Why are you so mad at lizards, anon? I don't think you should be mad at lizards.

What’s in your sketchbook lately anons? You DO keep a sketchbook, right?

>>7168278
I do but there's nothing as cute as that in it it's mostly just old dudes and ladies posing in the nude because I gotta grind.

hey /fag/, hope you've all been keeping at it. haven't posted much personal art as of late, but here's a WIP

>>7168278
insanely cute

>>7168341
Wanna hang out with this badger.

>>7168278
Not a physical one.
Anime heads filter me SO hard bros. My brain is TOO SMOOTH for Loomis.

>>7168348
>>7168349
Thank you! That means a lot because I really struggled with her lmao.
I copied all the gobbos from this, and this pic was the result of my training.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii0<wbr>BiZIykh0

I want to see everyone's gobbos.

>>7168346
Sorry but Goblins aren't furry, you have to go.

>>7168392
They're furry adjacent, and I'm going to give her a tail and claws before she's done.

>>7168341
eternally mogged. this is amazing!

>>7168404
you're ain't foolin' everybody!

>>7166589
I love your style but I am not a fan of fortune cookies. That's the main reason I stopped looking at SmittyG's art but I know it's a matter of preference. Keep up the good work

>>7168034
um listen here h*man: she is covered in white fur and thus is by definition furry. also something something anime site (not that anyone thinks 4cuck has anything to do with anime these days)

>>7168278
I usually draw on a sketchbook when I can. Obviously this is digital. But when I use/find brushes, I always try to find a generic pen type brush since those are the types I mainly use when drawing on me lil tiny sketchbook filled with birds.

Good morning, my flock! The Channel is showing me a commercial of a woman's feet, and it says "free onlyfans". Should I bite? Also, here's my slop

>>7165825
Don't tell your friend that I said this, but I don't think that's a gator... Where's his big snout? Lol
>>7162773
>>7167980
Good morning, Cow-Anon! Wow, you must've made a Pretty Penny off of this one. Nicely done!
>>7168341
Good morning, Kino-Anon! Good to see that you're still in the /biz/!
>>7168346
Good morning, Bat-Anon! Unfortunately this isn't a furry so you can't post him here, but it looks good!
>>7168432
Good morning, ESL-Anon!
>>7168436
hello
>>7168446
Good morning, Racist-Anon! Very cute cat, but let's keep the chud rage to a minimum.
>>7168467
Good morning, Bird-Anon!

>>7168539
>this isn't a furry
https://e621.net/posts?tags=goblin+<wbr>female+-male

Well well well. How the turn tables.
And she is very clearly a girl.

>>7168542
Oh, sorry! Sometimes I can't distinguish the difference between the pronouns "she" and "he" so I accidentally call things girls when they're boys. And vice versa.

decided i cant be bothered to fix the linework or the rights face. giving up

I bet some of you anons feel VERY silly right now.

>>7168567
If I take that mask off, will she die?

>>7168278
How it started vs how it’s going.

>>7168595
The ears and hair are my faovrites.

>>7168436
>>7168539
These are funny n cute
>Captcha My Vuck!

riot leaked a bunny girl character<br>bunny enjoyers, we gonna be eating good

>>7168793
We talking actual bnuuy, bnuuy monstergirl or girl in bnuuy outfit?

from a couple months ago. idk where i'm going with this

>>7168539
>>7168427
>>7168344
many thanks anons, i really appreciate it

>>7168800
she looks like that redhead with glasses form persona but half human half bunny
basically Xaya with bunny instead of bird

>>7168866
wont stop me from making her full rabbit instead of 50/50 tho

>>7168278
>You DO keep a sketchbook, right?
I don't, I escaped to digital since traditional was inconvenient

I give up, goodbye anons. Hope you guys make it.

>>7168910
pyw, anon. something that shows what you don't like and need help on. and why do you want to give up?

I feel as though my third eye was opened yesterday. Apologies for not posting anything. I had a theory for a few months and it wasn't until I spoke to an artist I've admired for many years, someone who I respect a lot that confirmed my suspicion into fact.

Construction drawing, details ect. Don't really matter, none of that matters. Drawing methods are gimmicky these days, they served their purpose to train students or apprentices but we're way past that era, we have so much information now that I don't think one specific drawing style is a good approach, it's better to learn all of them to remain situational but I'm digressing.

Silhouette is the only thing that actually matters , people call this "Shape Language" but that's only part of it. If you want to capture a good likeness of someone when you're doing a portrait make sure the silhouette is on point. Meaning you include the entire contour (hat, hair, neck, collar) as one shape. You break these into silhouettes within silhouettes but the major all encompassing one has to look like that subject or no amount of detail fixing will matter. It's turd polish at best.

You've probably seen sinix videos talk about how he's anti constructionist and I've slowly become this way over the years. Many years ago when I used to watch artists like Sunibee paint, they would draw a huge silhouette dark then paint inside it and they'd nail it immediately. I was amazed and wish I recorded these but i remember that tidbit vividly and now I understand why.

Marco Bucci mentions something similar but i think he doesn't emphasize it's importance enough. It's not just important it's vital to making your work look good. If it doesn't look like the character as a contour shape you still have a ways to go to understand it within your minds eye.

>>7169148
Good post. it sounds retarded but "feel" is much more important in creating a compelling image- if you stick too rigidly to the academic method rather than focusing on what you want to communicate, your process can become sorta wooden.

>>7169259
Wouldn't that be a good thing though if you wanted to draw wood?

>>7169290
>he thinks wood can't have character
ngmi

>>7169148
i've been thinking about this recently too. its like, you have to learn construction and gesture and perspective and all that stuff, the fundies to get yourself out of beg-core, but then you almost have to go backwards in a way to rediscover "appeal" once you learn how to draw. its like now that you have some informed drawing ability, you rebuild your symbolic representations with that to create something that is actually nice to look at.

>>7169299
Or in other words, you have to learn the rules in order to break them effectively.

>>7169259
Feel is a very ambiguous term but I understand what you mean by it. Feeling a form, feeling a shape or space. The idea is basically the same. You're feeling out a silhouette. This is essentially what children are trying to do when they first learn how to draw and honestly it's the right intuition. Construction is a very long winded way to get to that point, it makes sense for a specific type of consistency but you quickly become stuck in a rut.

>>7169299
Yeah exactly you essentially have to learn all this stuff to know what to throw out. It's wild how much I've done construction just to not need to do it.

>>7168824
He's a cool dude who doesn't afraid of anything.

I like his uniform. Is it inspired by Naked Snake? Maybe draw him sneaking around in a jungle or wading through a shallow river.

>>7169297
>wood is a character
Draw wood sucking my dick and we'll call it even.

>>7169426
>>7169428
coom apart, the plot of this comic is pretty cute

>>7162512
What was that Krenz lecture you mentioned?
I need some hope injected directly into my spine.
I threw up from sheer stress and insecurity looking at your art. It’s going to be a long road

Also
>>7169148
Which anon is saying this?
Do I have to ignore construction to be Yuta? It was worded like one of his last replies

>>7169564
You don't ignore construction, it's a tool to help you see how to build forms in space. Once you're very comfortable you should know the outlines of those forms without needing any construction. The idea is to internalize stuff.

>>7168539
>let's keep the chud rage to a minimum.
NOO TOTAL FURRY DEATH!!! TOTAL CHUD VICTORY!!! TFDTFDTFDTFDTFDTFD

>>7169567
Okay I can ignore your advice but I highly appreciate your honesty.

I’m afraid of taking advice from the wrong people and ending up with an ugly westoid style from either ignoring something important or paying attention to something useless

>>7169602
I don't really think the west or eastern styles are better then one another. If it wasn't for Disney anime wouldn't really exist. There are things I dislike heavily about eastern styles and a lot about western styles. Just take what's good from everywhere..

>>7169615
Why should I settle for your mediocre examples when Koreans exist?

>>7169622
Draw the way YOU want. Whatever makes you happy. I like Korean artists. I practice a lot of techniques. Rock He Kim for example I do a lot of my figure practice from invention that way.

>>7169626
What if only one style would make me happy?
Is it possible not to settle for anything else?

>>7169148
U shouldn't have posted this, now people will know the truth. But for real though, construction (boxes and shit) is by far the biggest trap ever made. Take the blobpill /beg/anons, before your brain goes full constructoid

>>7169672
I antiquate doing construction similar to working out. Drawing box people or gestures, things of that nature is akin to running, doing push ups. You're just training your spatial intelligence. You wouldn't really want to sketch or draw that way its too restrictive. Like you do all that exercise but eventually you want to get in the ring if you want to box.

>>7169672
>>7169676
You should probably post your work to go with claims like these.
If highbreeds can flex their output without the thing every school and tutorial tells you to use, you better have the results to back it up.
At least 90% of this board is suicidal over Loomis. I don’t want uncertainty when that could be all for nothing

>>7169691
this isnt me but hes right for the most part.

>>7169654
What did she mean by this?
Captcha: XDDJ

>>7169148
>Meaning you include the entire contour (hat, hair, neck, collar) as one shape. You break these into silhouettes within silhouettes but the major all encompassing one has to look like that subject or no amount of detail fixing will matter. It's turd polish at best.
Turbo beg here, what resources/videos that can help with learning shape language or "silhouette" thing you're talking about?
I'm honestly torn on construction, but many anons say that as long as you get the shapes "right" it'll get your point across in a drawing more than anything.

I'm just confused.

>>7169711
Not the same anon but I was introduced to the concept through this video: https://youtu.be/8wm9ti-gzLM

I’m still waiting for genuinely good art to back up the claim of construction and rules being bad.
There’s a thing that I forgot the word for, “illusion of freedom” or something like that, that choices become harder the more options you have, that more limitations and rules ironically make you more creative

>>7170018
ignore text, just showing my animation

>>7170075
Face looks a little stiff, but I like it. Would love to see it coloured.

>>7167215
Very nice ! What did you practice to get these kinds of results ? Figure drawing and anatomy ?

>>7170083
Any idea how I could improve that ?

>>7170110
I draw a lot from imagination. The idea is to try and force myself to invent poses out of my head. I use these forms to try and understand spatial relationships. It's not a way or "system" of drawing. Drawing systems are IMO a scam people use to sucker others out of their money.

>>7169686
I doodle pretty much straight on, I don't construct much. The shapes matter more then anything.

>>7170207
nta, but /beg/ nonetheless and very curious. are you just visualizing the forms when putting the lines to paper and if so, does having a base understanding of construction help you get to that skill level easier? One of my inspirational artists uses silhouettes when sketching/drafting (but not all the time since they can just put lines to paper and make amazing figures) and I've been having a really hard time understanding how to practice that, myself.

>>7170230
Yes, I see the forms in my head before I put pen to paper. I still have a ways to go myself but It's taken a lot of mileage of drawing tons of filled sketch book pages of playing around with constructed shapes. I think the misnomer is using construction to get from Point A to Point B. When it's easier to just get so comfortable seeing those things in your head you can skip most of those in between steps.

If you go and watch some old KJG videos, he says, "I wish you could see the lines I'm seeing" He sees the lines in his head but you didn't see the 20 years prior of him practicing those lines to get to that point.

>>7170237
Looks like the torso is mixing perspectives. Her shoulders suggest a slightly tilted front-facing view, but her hips and breasts suggest her torso is far more twisted to her right.

>>7170237
i suggest you catbox that pic
i like it tho

>>7170243
>but you didn't see the 20 years prior of him practicing those lines to get to that point.
The most important bit, I feel. A lot of people miss this about art, or any skill, really. For every thing produced of worth, there are hundreds if not thousands if not tens of thousands of hours put into it.

>>7170237
I think it's because you don't have any dark, hard shadows, so it comes off a bit flat. there should be much darker areas in places completely blocked off from the light sources direction

>>7170245
Sorry, I forgot the no NSFW rule

Hi, new to board; trying my hardest to improve in fur. Would like some opinions and where to start looking for books/ methods and such

>>7170250
The best anon here got there in less than three years. Time investment is irrelevant to talent

The sketchbook anon is great at form but the plugged details and faces are awkward as hell

>>7170320
>Time investment is irrelevant to talent
Stupidest thing I've ever read.

>>7170311
Sure buddy

Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/doodlehog.<wbr>bsky.social

Twitter:
https://x.com/Just_Hog

but I'm not posting a lot on twitter, i'm just taking this more like a hobby. I'll try to be active here tho.

>>7170204
What do you mean by "drawing system" ?

>>7170320
>best anon here
Who? I wanna see their art

>>7170291
>>7170331
Cute pig.
A for fur, it depends. I don't think your style would work with something ultra-realistic, and for more cartoony for it's really just a matter of building up texture on top of well-defined forms. What sort of style do you want to go for?

>>7170341
Me, obvs. :^)

>>7170347
Of course.
You are me, after all, and we're the best.

>>7170243
Playing around with constructed shapes ?

>>7170346
>What sort of style do you want to go for?
I took inspiration from CyanCapsule mostly, really admire the rendering he does.

For style i think the Carles Dalmau style is one of my favourites

>>7170320
I'd argue time investment is pretty relevant to getting to even the baseline level of "making it", but it depends on the speed at which someone can make observations about their work and make incremental improvements, how much they study and whether or not if they know how to efficiently funnel that knowledge into their drawing.
KJG's mastery was a result of a lifetime of dedicated pursuit. Art is a continuous, never-ending process of learning

>>7169564
>>7169686
I use construction and underdrawing though. Left is just the sketch layer for the right. Good stylistic symbol drawing is just imposing cool abstractions and shape language and lines on top of the 3d anatomy you've studied and laid out. If you want to make anything that has 3 dimensions, including stylized kemono/anthro, you should at least study how they turn in space.

>>7169148
I hope this isn’t true I fucking love boxes

>>7170516
Anon you can do whatever you want to do to make art. That's the real secret. If boxes help you, I wish you all the boxes you could ever imagine.

>>7170250
Exactly, I can't be angry towards myself or feel inadequate. I didn't put in the time to earn the right to complain.

>>7170320
Some people have more of a natural ability then others, but they still put in the time. They're either drawing more then you or putting in way more work. I feel as though this idea comes from inadequacy and at the end of the day it's just an excuse to cope with not putting in enough time.

>>7170338
Like the "loomis" method or the "Reilly" method. These are just weird gimmicks, I've never seen many artists pragmatically use these, or they used them briefly and quickly got past it.

>>7170383
100 percent

>>7170516
Draw those boxes!

>>7170502
I didn't argue against that, you study construction until it becomes very intuitive, then you're not spending so much time doing so much construction. In the same vain as learning anatomy, you learn it to know what to leave out. I feel knowing what to NOT show is almost as important as what to show.

>>7170542
>I didn't put in the time to earn the right to complain.
No, that's not the point I was trying to make. You absolutely have a right to complain, or rather, to vent. Art is a hard process that can feel very difficult, and often hopeless, but it never is if you're willing to put in the work, and you're going to have to put in a LOT of work. The more cognizant you can be of the lows, the better you can weather them and aim for the highs.
Learning to deal with frustration and anger in a healthy manner (because those are all things we feel, and shouldn't feel bad for feeling) is just as important a skill to learn as drawing itself, and it, too, takes a lifetime of learning.

Just be easy on yourselves, anons.

>>7170552
Art, especially drawing, is a selfish act. We're trying to either earn reputation, a living, or likes from randomers on a social media platform. With any skill there comes lows and disappointments. A lot of the information is esoteric and very cryptic. However there are things surrounding the abstract that can be taught pretty straightforward (Anatomy, perspective)

Even still there are no guarantees for success, there is more to art then just skill and tying your personality or happiness to your ability to do art is not a good mindset. This advice goes for everyone doing art esp INT.

Make art for yourself, express yourself with the skills you possess right now. Enjoy the act and joy of being able to create. The dopamine you receive will make you naturally more curious, more receptive and certainly better over time.

>>7170502
Oh thank god and thank you.
Holy fuck your studies are beautiful. I still can’t believe you’re white. Even the best kemomangaka can’t do this.
My heart bleeds for soulful faces and exaggerated forearms on sleek, soft shaded linework. Every atom of it is perfect

>>7170615
>I still can’t believe you’re white.
Kek.

>>7170858
I had some guy assuming me to be from spain for no other reason than him liking the gardevoir I drew once. And on his profile he was ranting about how "Latinx" -people or whatever are just generally better at art and that it is senseless for him to draw because he will never be as good. Apparently these people are a thing.

>>7165437
What if I told you the character designer for Teen Titans was asian

>>7165627
Cause westoids except for Italians are soulless

>>7169441
>my reaction to this information


Why aren’t you doing this new trend /ic/? Easy likes/followers

>>7163452
Art=Twitter it's Current Year get over it.

>>7163444
>Twitter has made updates to the algorithm to make it easier for smaller accounts to be seen
Like that will actually fix the underlying issue behind why most of us can't break past the 2k follower ceiling let alone the 1k follower ceiling.
>Be me
>Try and fail for years to build a sizeable following on social media as an artist
>Try being more active, doesn't work
>Try experimenting with my art, doesn't work
>Try drawing FotM waifus, doesn't work
>Try asking bigger accounts how they gre w their following, advice they give me doesn't work because it's the same goddamn shit I've already tried.
>Try asking bigger accounts for a retweet, just to get the ball rolling, even that doesn't work yet I see them retweeting other smaller artists no problem.
>Only people who give a rat fuck about me on Twitter at this point are the few Japanese artists who follow me as they always like and retweet my stuff no matter what.
If Elon couldn't get rid of the bot problem, what makes you think OP that he suddenly gives a damn about smaller accounts being more visible in people's timelines?

>>7163477
What you probably haven't tried is cheating and stop giving a shit.
Stop believing organic growth is still possible.
All the big accounts are plagued and boosted by bots, either random ones or self bought, or their discord friends, or they have some blue checkmarks boost them.
Most of them also regularly comment and involve themselves in "drama" and memes, so that's what most of their audience comes from and is there for.

Most don't realize that being an artist on social media is a failing endeavor; you should aim to be a ""content creator"", basically forfeiting art to feed slop and consumer product to genuine doomscrolling, illiterate, low iq retards craving validation in form of
>omg that's literally me fr fr
or
>omg that make my pp hard fr fr

Most retards would say
>ur work is bad
Which cannot be further from the truth when i personally experienced and have seen a lot shitty throwaway doodles and redraws do way more engagement and numbers than anything else.
Sometimes people boost these shitty posts on purpose to fuck with artists.

The critical issue, is the decadence of audiences and the extremely short shelf-life of anything on social media.
People are on social media for two reasons
>fuck shit up/trolling/baiting
>larping as social engineers
>jerk off and save porn pictures

In the end, you should realize that something like social media, must be played to extract money if you want to succeed at it.
Stop trying shit, set up shit to sell, and spam the ever living shit about you selling shit.
That's really it and that's what shitters give a shit about.

Still, the majority of your numbers will still be bots.

>>7163501
Damn that meme is fucking real

It's not Twitter , it's x . Wow what a great name for a website.

>>7163444
Oh, is that why I constantly see some of the shittiest takes imaginable somehow getting upwards of 50K+ likes?

>>7163444
Because I don't give a fuck about "likes/followers".

>>7163444
this account has 11k followers to begin with lmfao how is that small

>>7163444
trend chasers are the same as those fat 50 year olds buying 12 lotto tickets at the grocery store thinking they have a chance

>>7163679
He allegedly had under 2k followers before he "blew up". Yeah fucking right, I don't doubt he had a smaller follower count until recently, but still, that could've been ME y'know? Fucking hate it when everybody but me got blessed by the ever-changing Twitter algorithm. It's why I said sayonara to Twitter and moved on to Pixiv where I've gone from under 350 followers to over 810 since the Holiday season. Even at my most active on Twitter, I never did numbers like that. None of my posts went viral. NONE OF THEM no matter how hard I worked on a given piece. Oh, but Joe Schmoe gets to go viral, THEY get to have their following explode overnight? Fuck that unfair bullshit! If I was Elon Musk, I'd expose the algorithm and how exactly it works so that anybody could go viral no matter what.

>>7163679
anon, he was at 4k followers before his post blew up.

>>7163444
No the current trend is the lemon trend

>>7163477
>Try and fail for years to build a sizeable following on social media as an artist
What is/was your strategy? And what did you post? This is important because something I noticed from anons at the self promo thread is a lack of content and consistency. You may be missing that "hook" that makes people stick with you. Remember you have to give people a reason to follow you.
>Try being more active, doesn't work
Being active only helps you from getting drowned by the algorithm due to account inactivity, think of it as a combo chain.
>Try drawing FotM waifus, doesn't work
One-time-things barely ever work unless you hit the big numbers and get a lot of follows because of it. And even so you wont get engagement from them if you move on from that FotM because you're not posting what people followed you for.
>Try asking bigger accounts how they gre w their following
In truth not many people know how it happened, it just does eventually due to either followers growing in multiplier or several posts of the same content keeping people engaged. I know a lot of small artists that got big because of this and Im pretty sure they dont know what happened, it just happened.
>Try asking bigger accounts for a retweet
Never do this, not for any objective reason, it's just a matter of ethics. You'd rather get people retweet you on their own by appealing to them. I had a friend that was eager to RT me when I asked, and it didnt feel any less wrong because of it.
>Only people who give a rat fuck about me on Twitter at this point are the few Japanese artists who follow me as they always like and retweet my stuff no matter what.
The japanese are chill, stick with them and try to appease to more japanese users, specially those with big numbers.

>>7163741
>also
This anon here >>7163501 is right in only two points:
1. When it comes to the social media game, you have to treat yourself as a brand, or a content creator as he calls it. You are not supposed to be "some guy that draws", you are supposed to be "the guy that draws this thing I like".
And there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion, getting into a niche and trying to appeal to people in said niche is a very common thing in humanity, social media isnt any different in this regard, you dont need to sell your soul or "forfeit art to feed slop and consumer product", you can be as artistic as you want as long as you remember that, when it comes to social media, you are a brand that needs to appeal to a market.
2. When it comes to the social media game, you REALLY dont need to bang your skull against the wall for it, so dont give it too much thought, some things happen by sheer luck, some things are going to be slow, some things are not going to make sense... so best you can do is loosen up, stop caring so much and just let things flow their own way.

Everything else? It's wrong. You dont need to farm bots (just numbers and no engagement), you DEFINITELY dont have to get into drama (meaningful followers will immediately turn their backs on you if you do because they find drama rightfully obnoxious) and you dont have to reduce your art to mere dopamine opium to the masses. You can still be as genuine as you want and get somewhere like this; it takes time, obviously, but it brings good things in the long term it's worth giving it a shot if you feel compelled to go the long way, you just have to remember what keys to press in order to actually move forward. This is what organic growth is all about.

>>7163741
>>7163756
Anon, how the hell can anybody compete on Twitter in 2024 without paying their way to success or sucking off the right people? Organic growth died years ago and anybody who claims otherwise is lying or they're about to sell you on some 'Build an Organic Twitter following in record time" course that doesn't actually work the way they claim it does.

>>7163785
>Anon, how the hell can anybody compete-
And that's where the whole argument you set up falls apart. The social media game is not a competition, for your progress is not being impeded by anyone, nor your progress impedes anyone else's. You are merely a content creator, a contributor to a market who's only real impediment is how much visibility you have in said market, visibility that no other artist is taking away from you.

You could make the argument that you are competing over attention spans, but even so you'd be opening a whole can of worms about human psychology that has the potential to go full roundabout into the argument of "your art is not good enough for people to like it", which essentially proves right some of the points I mentioned earlier.
You could also make the argument that the more artists there are to a niche, the less chances there are for small artists to make their way up, but this is more applicable to small communities than the field of social media, proven right by the fact you can search for the "Princess Peach" hashtag on twitter, check "recent posts" and find a mixture of big and (mostly) small artists with varying feedback results; so you are still being seen, so the "competition" doesnt apply either.

>Organic growth died years ago and-
What even is "Organic growth" to you guys anyway? Cause I swear it seems like you guys believe you SHOULD be getting followers and engagement just for posting tasteless doodles without putting any kind of effort into being seen whatsoever. That's not how it works, that's not how it ever worked.
Social media nowadays is bigger than it used to be and that makes visibility harder, sure, but that doesnt mean you cant make your way around it without resorting through shady methods, you just have to put some effort to it.

>>7163816
You are making too much sense for this shithole of crabs and schizos

>>7163816
>but that doesnt mean you cant make your way around it without resorting through shady methods, you just have to put some effort to it.
Sorry, can't hear you. Paying for botted engagement as we speak. Games rigged and if you can't beat them, join them.

>>7163501
>What you probably haven't tried is cheating and stop giving a shit.
>Stop believing organic growth is still possible.
>All the big accounts are plagued and boosted by bots, either random ones or self bought, or their discord friends, or they have some blue checkmarks boost them.
>Most of them also regularly comment and involve themselves in "drama" and memes, so that's what most of their audience comes from and is there for.

>>7163847
Now everybody knows and draws this schmuck but only for that one time somebody big made fun of his whine comic.

>>7163850
And all /ic/ crabs can do is cope. It has nothing to do with luck of the draw, you're not popular because your art just sucks, simple as that. We'll be nice to you so we don't look like the asshole, but deep down you just aren't good enough to play with the big boys.

>>7163444
Because it doesnt work. Only retweeting and posting your stuff to communities everyday works.

This artist has nearly 100,000 followers, skill means shit.

>>7163785
Ive gotten 120 followers in three months without bots, trend chasing, or posting faggy artmoot hashtags to trick people into following me. Organic growth is entirely possible.

>>7163877
>regularly draws fanart of people more popular than him in order to get retweets from these artists
>b-b-but getting retweeted by a big artist wont help
just pander to big artists by drawing their oc or things they like

>>7163854
>because i appeal to the lowest of the lowest of the denominators and people like the thing i do because it does appeal to the lowest of the lowest common denominator, this makes me more skilled and superior than of those who don't and i am a big boy
>meanwhile >>7163877
Do pornfags really?

>>7163877
But this guy is clearly skilled

>>7163477
been seeing a lot more smaller accounts blowing up lately, pic rel had like 4k followers and shot up to 11k+ follwers.

>>7163854
If you're gonna say this shit at least pick a better artist to justify your point.
Unless you're baiting which is also likely

>>7163444
>Why aren’t you doing this new trend
I don't care about trends.

>>7163816
>your progress is not being impeded by anyone, nor your progress impedes anyone else's.
The total sum of time people browsing the site have is limited. Every second spent on your stuff is a second they'll potentially not spend on other people's stuff and vice versa.

>>7164726
>The total sum of time people browsing the site have is limited.
This is an outright lie and you know it, people sink way too much time in social media these days. Psychologically speaking, social media is a constant chemical rush that always gets you craving to engage in one more piece of it, whether it's a video, an image or some kind of drama. Actually stopping to engage in social media is an action that most humans do by thoughtful choice, while remaining in the engagement is something that is done unconsciously, needless to say the former takes so much more effort to execute than the latter.
And even if the contrary were the case by some kind of cosmic bullshit, still wouldnt count as an argument in favor of artists taking away engagement from each other because there is no logical scenario in which someone goes to social media minding their limited time and then actively choose to engage with a selected few artists they like as opposed to just scrolling through their feed to see whatever the algorithm has selected for them (which includes the artists they like).
Contrary to what you may think, your argument actually supports the fact that your only real impediment is how visible you are, which is not caused by other artists, but the site's algorithm.

>inb4 "didnt read lol"
People's time in social media is NOT limited and even if it was, it only supports my point that your visibility is the real impediment, not other artists.

>>7164763
>still wouldnt count as an argument in favor of artists taking away engagement from each other
Anon, why do you go so hard out your way to make this strawman for the nth time?

There is no implication that artists are taking away numbers from each other, the issue is much more broad as it has to do with
>algorithm
>quantity of posts

The only point to your posts is really just trying to lowkey insult people
>hehe if u ain't get numbas guess what.... U SUCK!!! epic troll!!!!! checkmate!!! gottem!! wahoo!

As people have limited reach due to various factors OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTROL, so do users have limited exposure due to algorithmic and individual limitations.
Or do you really unironically believe that everyone who uses social media is on it 24/7 scrolling through each individual post and making sure it fits their own very specific criteria to even acknowledge its existence to then press like?
Anon, the average retard just doomscrolls for five minutes, sees pic that gets his pp hard, likes and keeps doomscrolling.

You are basically asking the dumb as fuck consumer who just wants to see pretty pictures and get his dopamine firing, to actually curate his own social media viewing and that's like asking a porn addict to not like every porn he comes across.

>>7164858
>and that's like asking a porn addict to not like every porn he comes across.
nta, but that does actually happen during late stage porn addiction. The initial and middle stages are characterized by mindless consumption ("whatever will do,") but once the dopamine balance has tilted far enough out of wack, they seek out very exacting, precise and hardcore material to fulfill their needs, and will dismiss and ignore mountains upon mountains upon mountains of porn to find "the one." These are the "deep divers" of the porn addled, and there's a market that caters specifically to them. Niche fetishism with niches within niches, down to the most obscure and extreme.

It's the same with drugs. Hardcore junkies don't just go for whatever is available, they're hardened to it, bored of it, sick of it. They go for the hardest shit they can find, even if it means having to jump through endless hoops to get at it.

Just saying. Got no horse in this race.

>>7164858
>Inb4 more shitty strawmen and semantics
Are you expecting the average consumer to go out their way and find specific posts on Xitter?
99% of xitter users gobble up what they get recommended, and that is based on their recent likes and users they follow and what those users like, as well.
So, it isn't that strange that if someone goes on a furry porn liking spree and you recently happen to follow them, that you start getting those posts recommended.
The algorithmic functions on xitter is much more threaded like a peer2peer network, than truly boosting posts depending on their raw engagement.

This is nothing anyone can control by themselves alone, but this can be gamed if you have your own army of discord kiddies or bots.
So, we already have people cheating the system, which doesn't make the system work as it is suppossed to, which loosely can be argued as
>taking away engagement from others
because if people cheat to boost their posts, then other posts will clearly be ignored to prioritize the cheated posts. It's not like the algorithm tells the difference between botted posts and organic engagement; it always favors the post with more numbers.

Any argument or trivialization falls apart the instant you realize what the average consumer likes and shares on xitter and what they engage with; Drama and Porn.

>>7164858
>why do you go so hard out your way to make this strawman-
What strawman? At what point did I make a caricature of an argument for the sake of proving it wrong? I merely proved you wrong using arguments based on logical inferences such as the fact no one that has limited time on social media actively targets specific content to engage with when checking their feed will not only show them the content they want already, but it takes less effort to do so which is valuable when time is limited.
Do you even know what a strawman is?

>There is no implication that artists are taking away numbers from each other, the issue is much more broa as it has to do with algorithm and quantity of posts
Anon that is literally what I said two posts ago and what my whole point is all about.
>>7163816 (Me)
>your progress is not being impeded by anyone, nor your progress impedes anyone else's. You are merely a content creator, a contributor to a market who's only real impediment is how much visibility you have in said market, visibility that no other artist is taking away from you.

>The only point to your posts is really just trying to lowkey insult people
>>hehe if u ain't get numbas guess what.... U SUCK!!!
At no given moment I even implied quality or skill have anything to do with social media engagement. The closest thing to that argument I said was three posts ago and even then I was explicitly referring to that one subjective element that makes people eager to see more of the content you provide, said element having more to do with said content and your consistency with it.
>>7163741 (Me)
>I noticed from anons at the self promo thread is a lack of content and consistency. You may be missing that "hook" that makes people stick with you. Remember you have to give people a reason to follow you.
I dont know where you're getting that incorrect assumption of my point from.

As for the latter half of the post... character limit is making me consider I should reply to it.

>>7164880
>late stage addiction
If it even comes that far, but how people use social media on average, it keeps them in a constant state of novelty.
Basically, the perfect addict since he will just gobble up anything.

To get to late stage, you really have to knock yourself out and become conscious of what you like.
Even then, they still take what's available to them.
Junkies won't stop doing lower drugs because they're more resistant to it.
Sane as alcoholics who will just drink more beer if the hard stuff isn't there.

So basically:

Get good
Find niche
Bot for numbers

>>7164858
Fuck it.
>Or do you really unironically believe that everyone who uses social media is on it 24/7 scrolling through each individual post and making sure it fits their own very specific criteria to even acknowledge its existence to then press like?
Yes and Yes. Because for the second part: That's how the algorithm works; in a nutshell, your interactions in a platform define what content you will see, if you like and follow artists that like trains, chances are you will see more train art in your feed, it's that simple.
As for the first part: I have a handful of sightings from all sorts of places and people where they have sunk their time endlessly scrolling through TikTok, Instagram, Whatsapp and Facebook. I also have experiences of my own where I have studies this phenomena applying and logic and common sense, as well spoken to people on the subject, so Im more than certain on the fact that people DO spend way too much time in social media for time to be a limited resource.

>Anon, the average retard just doomscrolls for five minutes, sees pic that gets his pp hard, likes and keeps doomscrolling.
Im beginning to think you misunderstood the entirety of what I was talking about... because I also did not imply this at any given point. In fact this is literally what Im referring to when I said people would rather check their feed as opposed to go to specific content when the algorithm has already been set up to give them the content they want to see.
>You are basically asking the dumb as fuck consumer who just wants to see pretty pictures and get his dopamine firing, to actually curate his own social media viewing-
Again, not the point I was making. Did you even read it...?

>>7164893
Kinda.
Yes.
No.
I find the bot argument funny because if farming bots were a viable strategy, you wouldnt be seeing so many bitter people in this board complaining about social media, instead they'd be bragging about this juicy exploit and telling others about their big numbers.

>>7164897
>because I also did not imply this at any given point.
>because I did not imply *OTHERWISE* at any given point.
Fixed. Dammit, there goes my argument lmao.

>>7164883
>at what point
You literally read
>competition
and went on to twist everything to provide your own argument
>no one has limited time because i say so
Everything you say is proven wrong by HOW people use social media.
>Anon that is literally what I said two posts ago and what my whole point is all about.
And you missed the point either on purpose or because you're illiterate.

Limited time is relative to how people use social media
>they open app
>scroll 5 minutes
>see pretty pic
>like and do shit
>close the app
They don't autistically curate their own experience for hours on end, like you heavily want to imply.
>>7164897
>he believes people are on it legit 24/7 and sporadically a couple minutes braindead scrolling through content
>misses the entire point that you can cheat the system which results in fucking up other people's posts and it has been done long enough that the whole system is rotten
And there you go.

You are a fucking retard. Unironically.

>bots aren't real because then everyone on this baord who are """""""bitter""""""" would go on to give their credit card information to pajeets and scammers
Underage as well
holy fuck

>>7164763
>>The total sum of time people browsing the site have is limited.
>This is an outright lie and you know it,
So you're saying the userbase of Xitter have literally unlimited time every day?
Assuming you don't literally think so, then:
>Actually stopping to engage in social media is an action that most humans do by thoughtful choice
Defeats your later point:
>your visibility is the real impediment, not other artists.
And what is the ultimate bottleneck of visibility if not the fact that the users have to "stop and engage", which takes time?
No matter how you slice it, if a given person only has time to view the work of five artists and six artists have published their work, it is impossible for every artist out of those six to be seen.

Remember guys; if you question the legitimacy of big accounts; you are bitter.
And if you prove that you can buy bots to boost your account, you're lying and no one does that and you're just jealous.
And if you start counting for bots in every big account, you're a schizo and a stalker.
Twitter prior Musk used bots to boost brand and politician accounts and it was also stated in the contracts they did that with those accounts to give them the illusion of legitimacy and help the site achieve more relevancy because if the government/brand account has billions of followers that means they're actually important and people will make an account? Clearly not true.

Because if that were the case, everyone would be botting which would totally have no consequences like we're experiencing now.

Bots on twitter are exactly like discord trannies; they don't exist and if you say so you are a schizo.

btw i have 10 gorillion followers so you now must agree with me and worship me and give me money
>inb4 not true
hehe ur just jealous and bitter

>>7164902
>You literally read competition and went on to twist everything to provide your own argument
Because the initial argument is based on the foundation that social media is a competition, which renders it completely unusable once you prove that one aspect wrong. I didnt twist anything.
>Everything you say is proven wrong by HOW people use social media.
>Limited time is relative to how people use social media
Just yesterday I was on a bus with three women scrolling through their phones on different social medias for the whole duration of the trip (roughly 45 minutes). When I got to work as a freelance technician I always see at least one person in the household we're working at endlessly scrolling through their phones or watching videos for the duration of the work (1-2 hours). Commonly you see images and videos about people endlessly wasting time in social media, so much so that it has become a meme.
So I have all the reasons to believe what you're saying about "time being a limited resource" and "people only spend so much time in social media" to be not only incorrect, but also disingenuous.
>They don't autistically curate their own experience for hours on end, like you heavily want to imply.
Of course they dont, the algorithm does it for them. I explained it like THREE FUCKING TIMES, are you even reading or are you reading what you want to read??
>>he believes people are on it legit 24/7-
Already explained it.
>>misses the entire point that you can cheat the system-
Unrelated to the point at hand and proven wrong by the fact you can still see artists, big and small, if you bother to check the "recent posts" tab on a tag of your liking. I dont think bots are an uncertainty, but I do believe you guys are twisting a lot of stuff surrounding bot usage and how it affects people's feeds.

And since you're resorting to insults and greentexting, Im going to stop (You)ing, feel free to believe you won some kind of internet fight.

>>7164920
this unironically, if you're too retarded to play the "system" then don't complain or bitch. Either play the game or quit drawing, shitter.

>>7163444
I'm so fucking glad I sell my art conventions exclusively. Anytime I think "I hate driving" or "fuck airplanes," I come here, see one of these threads, and am instantly reminded that the "ease" of social media and the internet is, was, and will always be a huge deception.

>>7164927
>bb-b-b-ut he literally said cumpetishon!
>anecdotes and shallow observations at best
>therefore a sample size of 5 people is direct evidence of how millions behave
>anything that doesn't validate my bad faith or straight up low iq argument is unrelated and is proven wrong--- because i say so!
>waaah insult and greentext bad! but not when i do it
>waaaaaag don't think you won an internet fight!!!
Absolutely fucking retarded

>>7164906
>So you're saying the userbase of Xitter have literally unlimited time every day?
Not only on xwitter, but in all social medias, people do spend a lot of time in social media after all, so much so time isnt really that precious to these people.
>>Actually stopping to engage in social media is an action that most humans do by thoughtful choice
>Defeats your later point:
>>your visibility is the real impediment, not other artists.
Those points are not related to each other, though.
The former is just an explanation on how people make the conscious choice to hop off social media, which takes some mental energy, and how remaining in the engagement of social media is an unconscious action that doesnt take mental energy.
The latter is implying that the amount of visibility you have in people's feeds determines how well you perform in social media and how artists have nothing to do with said performance.

>And what is the ultimate bottleneck of visibility if not the fact that the users have to "stop and engage", which takes time?
I already explained how those points are not related, but to answer your question: The algorithm screwing you over is the true bottleneck of visibility.
And I say this as a small artist that has had his fair shares of blessings of visibility due to either big accounts RTing my works or just using the right tags. You realize that, if your art is decent enough and you provide to a niche, it all goes down to how easily people can see you, which is something you are at the mercy of the algorithm.

>if a given person only has time to view the work of five artists and six artists have published their work, it is impossible for every artist out of those six to be seen.
True, but that doesnt mean the artists are the ones to blame for your lack of visibility. In this hypothetical case it's just the algorithm putting you behind and/or the viewer not bothering to see further.

>>7164991
post either your work or your blog, let me see if I can give you some insight

>>7165004
i post it here all the time, its just horny gay stuff don't want to fingerprint myself more than I already have.

>>7164991
i have hundreds of views but no engagement at all

>>7164991
>>7165110
Mine is a little mixed up, it depends a lot on hashtags and subject, some of these are very low effort, while others (mostly the self RTd ones) are high effort.

>>7165136
>19 million
>235 likes

I'd just delete my account at that point.

>>7165136
to be fair, i also block and remove spam and bot accounts from my followers
and i also either might be shadowbanned or deboosted because i click on those profiles and hidden replies to block bot and pussyinbio accounts

When i started i usually got a lot of engagement but about one month ago, everything i posted suddenly made views but no engagement at all
Tried checking my followers and removed a couple bots, then still nothing, deleted everything and now every post gets no engagement, despite doing pretty good on other sites.

pic related were my highest
others did around 10 likes and a couple rts

i mean, fuck, i got a notification about a like from a profile that usually liked a lot of my stuff but then it wasn't there the next day
he fucking unliked it

i dunno, maybe that niche might be genuinely avoiding/ignoring or fucking with me for some genuinely insane reason
Mostly because that fandom is quite insane

>>7165155
btw both of those post were extremely low effort drawings

>>7165153
Kek, the "mil" stands for "thousand" in spic language, you silly.

>>7165155
To be fair, I wouldnt pay too much attention to the statistics tab, specially when your numbers are quite low, you're only going to be banging your head against the wall. A lot of the technicalities of how followers and engagement happens is something you really dont need to get too into in order to break through.
>i dunno, maybe that niche might be genuinely avoiding/ignoring or fucking with me for some genuinely insane reason
Have you tried using tags? Keep in mind you're going to have better luck using active hashtags and only a very few, like three maximum. You could also try and look at your niche elsewhere, like Discord servers, other social medias or even other boards here at 4chan.
And if you're suspecting you're shadowbanned, you can always check for yourself here:
>https://shadowban.yuzurisa.com
As far as I know, Twitter doesnt like it when you dont mark your content as NSFW when it is, so if you happen to be shadowbanned, it could be because of it, but Im only speculating.

>>7165136
How do you get millions of people view your stuff?

>>7165187
I use tags and as i said; i didn't have any issues up until a few weeks ago.
Also, yes, i guess i am (still) shadow/ghostbanned after checking right now, but i've been apparently ghostbanned longer than that and it didn't influence anything
>i wouldn't check the stats when numbers are low
That's really average for that niche and for what i draw that i can pay attention to the stats. I don't do nsfw.

Like i dunno man, it's just weird.
But it's really just twitter.
On tumblr and pixiv i do alright numbers, but twitter is compretery dead for me.
>try looking for you niche elsewhere
Most of the activity is on twitter anyway, rather than in closed communities.
The 4chan general is mildly dead or simply a twitter extension, too.

>>7165190
I said "mil" stands for "thousand" in spic language!

>>7165215
They do, but on twitter you have to use the correct ones and not something generic
Like if you post fanart, you obvious use the name as hashtag, but generic ones don't really do lots of traction.
If i post without hashtags, i barely break a couple views.

If you would be in a nsfw niche, you should use the tags of your fetish or something, but i would theorize that if you would couple your nsfw work with fanart of current shows, it would do way better than just gambling on anything else.
Art on twitter i would say is really just more about fanart than anything else.

>>7165218
it could be french or italian for all you know

>>7165211
I dont know, man, I still think you're thinking too much about it. Like I mentioned earlier, some things in the social media game just dont make sense, so best you can do is not give it too much thought. Still, it's weird indeed, at least you're still doing somewhat good elsewhere.
>The 4chan general is mildly dead
Kek, same for the general I visit. While it doesnt translate to more engagement in social media, it does feel nice to belong to a very small community of anons in 4chan and be well regarded for contributing to that community.

>>7165215
Yes, but they are tricky to use. For one, you have to be sure to use hashtags that are active and used regularly, you cant use too many tags either, I'd say three max. Using tags wrong seems to have a backwards effect on your posts by sending you down by the algorithm. While the technicalities are tricky, using tags really pays off, I've recently been using japanese tags and they sure do wonders.

>>7165221
Im telling you, Im a spanish speaking spic lmao. I know it isnt italian what Im reading at twitter, let alone french.

>>7165236
It's not that i think too much about it, but it should have some logic behind it.
I can pretty much asses what i am not doing/doing wrong on the art side as to why i might be not doing bigger numbers and that's mostly my fun in it, but otherwise it does feel like trying to knead stale bread.

>>7165215
it works, it just depends on what's trending right now. when a certain flavor of the month is trending use hashtags related to it.

>>7163877
he’s popular because he’s a retarded minority that sucks up to big artists which makes the big artists salivate from the idea of getting good boy points from supporting him

>>7165219
>If you would be in a nsfw niche
Elon Musk has made it so that nsfw accounts are actively suppressed. The For You tab only shows nsfw from people you follow or retweets from people you follow, it wont ever suggest an nsfw post or an nsfw account to follow.
Oddly enough nsfw shows up from searches for the time being if you have nsfw set. So maybe make sure to mention a very few pointed keywords without resorting to hashtag spamming. But either way there has never been a better time to be an nsfw "big account" on twitter, since Musk has prevented anyone from competing with all the proverbial ladders pulled up. The only nsfw accounts these days with traction are AI spammers that can spam their way to the top and even then Ive never seen one get more than 2-3k followers in a short period.

>>7165359
>schizoid delusion
Meanwhile, reality:
>>7163877

>>7165361
>the account is from 2018
>Musk didn't take over twitter (and implement NSFW suppression) until 2022
thanks for proving my point, again twitter/x is great for any shitty NSFW account that managed to get their followers before musk took over, like taking the last helicopter out of saigon

>>7165359
Unironically blame OF whores for this.
>pay blue checkmark for advertising your account to a bunch of kids to sell porn
>spam/porn bots and more OF whores also congregate
>every other OF whore does this
>there are dedicated blue checkmarks accounts just running ads for these whores
>shit gets bad
>nsfw art gets caught in the crossfire
>meanwhile OF whores accounts keep spamming everywhere
I lost track of how many times there are tweets about videogames being spammed by OF whores unironically spamming the most brain dead shit ever like cope and seethe and other buzzwords

Rage and engagement bait is entirely on them as well, and not even Xitter does anything about it because they drive more traffic than any pornfag or aislopper would dream of

>>7165359
hows bluesky, seems like FA is still the most democratic platform to gain a following on.

>>7163444
>Easy likes/followers
here's your followers bro

>>7163477
going through 500 without having to play the follow-back game, without having to rely on trends, and without doing coom is quite a challenge already...

>>7163683
>If I was Elon Musk, I'd expose the algorithm and how exactly it works so that anybody could go viral no matter what.
There are online summaries of the code.

At the end of the day, you can't beat luck either. Also, some things just take time.

>>7165435
Jack Dorsey recently stepped down from Bsky and they've implemented somekind of automod AI bot that's kind of sus. So far it's better than twitter but it doesn't have the critical mass yet. I could see it doing something really stupid down the line.

>>7163477
>All this algorithm gaming
Has it ever occured to you that your art just isn't good?
I don't understand why you guys spend so much time focusing on this instead of just getting better.
If you have good art people will come.

>>7167870
>If you have good art people will come.
Pic related has over 100k followers.

>>7167884
i love how anti lolishota fags like calling people pedos then go and jerk off to this shit

>>7167884
It always baffles me how idiots in this board try to get a gotcha out of an artist that clearly has a more-than-decent grasp at fundamentals and appeal regardless of one or two questionable design choices.

Like, sure the asses and the whole setup is stupid, but those aside: Colors are well put together, composition is readable, anatomy is well done, same for the expressions... The piece is not fundamentally broken by any means...

Next time at the very least get something that is genuinely abhorrent and eye-soring, like one of those Deviantart trash fire accounts.

>>7167993
I get you're a coping retarded /beg/ with shit taste. You being blinded by the truth, doesn't make it less true, also look up @kujikawaii I can easily name hundreds if I wanted to.

>>7163477
PYW seething failure anon, I want to see it

>>7165136
>2 retweets 15 likes
Dammn wtf is wrong with my like retweet ratio

>>7163477
Have you considered a different career path?

>>7163477
I dont mean to sound rude, but this tends to be an art problem. Plenty of the big people I follow are (of course) better than me at art. So when they see my piece, I need to impress them or make them laugh into making them see it as worthwhile to sponsor my post, essentially.

If my skill level or joke expressed in a piece is something that they wont blick twice at, then how could I, in good faith, expect massive engagement. Ive dealt with low follower hell, im technically still there but when I got better, I got more followers, simple as. Become good enough that you impress big artists.

>>7163847
Waga said it and i agree. Either draw the popular characters, or you better have a damn good OC.

>>7168209
On average, also when rounded too:

10% of views should be likes. 10% of likes should be retweets and expected followers.

>>7163592
being a girl on the internet is absolutely life on easy mode

>>7168889
>some mexican popufur said it and i agree

>>7165359
I've seen a ai acount with over 20k followers in a few months

speaking of trends
>new character gets revealed
>1 hour later
>several fully illustrated pieces of fan art that get every detail right
how people do this so fast... I can't draw a character with just a blurry little gameplay video as the only reference. I need ultra clear large pictures in all angles and then I have to look for the perfect dynamic original pose and perfect composition

>>7169322
the cynic in me says some of these clout chasers essentially have ych styled templates with the basics rendered so all they have to do is color/edit a few things when a fotm character pops up

>>7163477
Maybe your art isn't appealing looking in the first place

>>7167993
They think because its a gross fetish that the art is automatically bad. They don't think about fundamentals or composition or things like that, they just want to send a message and believe that since their message is good, their art should be popular. Thats why they post some fucked up porn that is well drawn.


TIPS

Anyone got good, quick anatomy tips like picrel? Just specific bones or bumps to look for when drawing and studying.

>>7164174
Whoever made this is fucking retarded

>>7164209
It's not the best drawing. Looks like the artist still has some studying to do before he attempts to educate others. I like this one better.

>>7164175
been drawing since the start of the year and the lower body is still a mystery to me. hate

>>7163456
Can anybody share more of doxy's toots?

why are anatomy tips always fucking beg shit like how to place a pelvis in space, where's the tool tip for how the skin folds around the thumb from the index finger on hands.

>>7165333
Any more on the female torso anon?

>>7165432
bumping for this guy (and myself)

Anyone have a good grayscale to color tips? Preferably the one from some nips or pixiv artist

>>7169320
Bump,

I would say a gradient map, but it's not 100% accurate without tickering for hours.

>>7165432
There is also another book in the Morpho series entirely dedicated to hands and feet.

I prefer this tutorial for painting color when it comes to using the "greyscale-to-color" method. The problem with the method is once the colors are applied on top of the greyscale render, the image looks dull and lifeless. So if in the beginning you decide to make your shadows a dark blue, then once the color layer is applied the image will have more life to it.

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