If I get good at art will it get me bitches?

>>7167302
it will increase your chances, but nothing's guaranteed

>>7167302
Yeah, but that only works with trad, and until certain age. A middle aged guy must get GUD at it to maintain the "magic spell" working on the babes.
Remember that being a chick magnet also turns you into a problem magnet. It can be a curse too.

>>7167302
Ten years ago I was really popular with the ladies. Then I picked up drawing as a hobby and stopped going out. I've never had less sex than as an artist. If you want female attention learn the guitar or go lifting. Artists don't have time to waste on such unimportant things

>>7167302
No and you will never improve and achieve nothing like the 99% of males in this planet, now get off this board and start prompting retard

>>7167302
I like people watching and talking to strangers, and drawing people at bars is nice for scratching that itch. Will it get you laid? Probably not.

>although I had the opportunity once

You pour time into a tshirt design, and you have something to sell over and over again. And each new addition adds to that pulse of income. That is the gain.

>>7167302
Yes, nothing arouses women more than a man hunched over his desk, alone in his dark room, muttering about someone called 'Loomis'.
Though really, any hobby that you get adequately skilled and passionate about is going to make it more likely for you to 'get bitches', because skill and passion are interesting, or at least more than apathetic stagnancy.
Pick up music, or do as >>7167308 suggested, those are sexier hobbies.

>>7167302
it can be a force multiplier but it won't do anything on its own, especially if everything else about you is mid.
That said you'd be surprised, I don't look all that different from fat ugly old bastards and I still manage to get attention from women here and there. It probably helps that I have decent social skills though.

>>7167302
Focus on your art, bitches unironically get in the way
>t. art gets me bitches but they're just fucking annoying when I don't give them attention cause I'm busy drawing

>>7167302
If you're still in highschool or college yes
After that you have to be at least 5/10 in terms of looks

>>7167302
the type that paints abstract paitnings and random cubes and is rich/charismatic enough to get away with it? sure

the type that sits in his basement at 3pm trying to figure out the anatomy of the pelvis? no hes as attractive as an IT codemonkey

>>7167302
I can be your bitch for you if you want OP

>>7168712
And draw good, or atleast artsy so They think you are ”creative”

>>7168697
It's nice to see you're still going Shinda, I took a long break and don't know if I'll be able to ever sink myself back in the way I was before.

I've never heard of someone getting bitches by drawing. Did you try everything else first


Anonymous

I'm getting into making art peices out of animal skulls and other random mechanical parts or left over items. This is my first peice, a skull I found and put some bird feathers as horns and some black sheeps wool as a little hat.

>>7167338
>on today's episode of Anything But Drawing, anon gets into Santeria

>>7167410
>>7167383
Please critique my actual artpeice as per the board rules. Yes this art, art isn't just your drawings of prepubescent girls.

>>7167338
I love the zoomer haircut anon

I was at a craft fair a few years ago, and a guy made lamps from old toys.

>>7167338
>peices
>peice
When you write your suicide note, please beg the reader to make an artwork out of your skeleton and blow your fucking brains out you illiterate nigger

>>7167767
You will die before me? Wood you like to no how?

>>7167750
I didn't interact with him much,other than asking permission to photograph his art. But it was a local crafts fair held in a park in Northern New Jersey, and unlikely that it was who you meant, but not impossible.


How to shade like this in digital?

Is there an art course or book that shows how to shade like the GOATS but in digital? When I use fountain pens and map pens on paper, it's not hard. When I try to do it in digital I don't know what the fuck to do to get same results. In fact, mangaka who do digital art have dogshit shading.

>>7167621
How come there's no digital artists who know how to do good backgrounds like classic mangaka? Oda uses digital as reference, only to draw on paper. Horikoshi uses digital just for minor details but then does most of the work on paper. It's not even that they hate digital. oda uses digital for colored pages, but for black & white he sticks with paper. Then the mangaka who use only digital have the most dogshit art imaginable. Then you have some artists switch to digital and their art starts declining.

Artists like Gege use digital only, and their shading seems like ass compared to Akira Toriyama who uses paper. How come digital mangaka can't draw a background or shade even if their life depended on it?

You don't know a mangaka is drawing digitally when they do it well. It's called "survivorship bias", look it up. Sage.

>>7167624
>>7167628
Probably because most of those OG mangaka studied real life before going into comics and cartoon drawings, they drew real backgrounds and studied real perspectives and real people.
Nowadays there's a lot of incest going on. Instead of learning real life first, now artists study anime and manga art only. They study other people's interpretations of life instead of doing it themselves.
The whole "you got to know the rules before you break them" has a lot of truth to it. Most artists also want to immediately go into the flashy stuff (fighting, action, as well as cool moments) and refuse to do the "boring and basic" stuff like learning perspective, backgrounds, buildings, vehicles, etc...
Add to the fact that with digital you can simply buy a couple of 3d assets and use those for the backgrounds, vehicles, and so on.

So all in all, the reasons for this decline are the abundance of art-incest, lack of technical knowledge and ambition in learning the basic and boring aspects of art, and the advantages modern technology has brought, to cut corners and cover weaknesses.

>>7167621
>Is there an art course or book that shows how to shade like the GOATS but in digital?
A former art mutual of mine managed to somehow achieve that, even though those days he mostly draws hardcore pornslop an such.
I'm too interested on how to ink with trad-like levels of subtle details and hatching digitally as well, It might be an effect of being /beg/ skill myself but I consider my own art not detailed enough.

>>7167651
Here's an example of his SFW stuff.
Not exactly pro level, but pretty advanced when it comes to a good chunk of fundamentals and everything looks competent enough by most standards.

>>7167621
I think inking traditionally and digitally should be treated differently from my own experience. When I ink digitally - I almost treat it like a sculpture or an engraving, using blacks to carve into the paper and describe form. An eraser will help me do this as well since I can easily adjust and make changes with vector layers. When I'm drawing with a pen I'll have confidence in my lines because of the relationship between my hand and the paper (something I think is lost with the tablet).
Pic related is an example of a good digital inking (@hanzo1101). Notice how the image has a classic manga or 19th/20th century book illustration look with its use of crosshatching and lines instead of screentones.

>>7167650
Anon the mangaka he's talking about were not the OGs. The OGs were around the Tezuka era and before. Toriyama's time was already multiple generations into copying the previous guys. Toriyama stood out precisely because his work wasn't that.
It's simply a case of OP being a retard and only looking at the GOATs from the past when they were always extremely rare.
How do you replicate the GOATs? You don't, they're the GOATs for a reason.

There's some sweet manga pages ITT. I guess you could replicate the pen strokes with a digital brush tool .

>>7167621
why not just draw traditional and not be a faggot

>>7167621
>When I use fountain pens and map pens on paper, it's not hard
pyw

i've been wondering how much of this look was simply automated as a result of the manga printing process? like do certain values of grey get remapped to various screentone patterns, and the image just emerges this way?<br>take for instance yusuke murata. I think his manuscripts get finalized digitally, and the grey values are often solid tones. you see a lot more solid tones for filled in colors as opposed to screentones. I wonder if its because a lot of modern manga can have a formal digital release, and that is probably what gets distributed online, more so than physical scans.

>>7169406
Murata is shit at storytelling just like toriyama but they are both goats at drawing comics

>>7167621
Just ink it in CSP with the g-pen.
>>7169994
https://youtu.be/tgDxzUNWgec?si=oab<wbr>cLZ2gwIWJY-fC&t=1270

Trad....Soul....

>>7167621
Use screen tones and layer them to achieve variations in value. You can buy these from any Online art supply shop that sells japanese stationary although they are going to be expensive since most Manga artists just use digital tools for the same purpose.
Clip Studio is the stardard for this as it comes prepackaged with an extremely large library of templates.

>>7170069
>just like toriyama
Counterpoint

>>7170069
>toriyama is shit at storytelling
...in the opposite dimension.

>>7167621
this entire thread is retarded. its called rendering not shading. older mangaka used ink and zippatone/toner packs for everything. modern shitters use clip studio and blender and similar programs for it. some do mix of trad and digital. for soem artists theyll render with copic for grey tones or if doing color pages. others bust out gouache or water color.

the issue with modern digital versions is they arent even inking the hatching or other lines. its all with digital brushes so you get the same look and generic linework with no variations. across so many no talent 3d tracers, it blends together and gives the modern shit look to all manga. the lack of imperfections in the linework and hatching is the major imperfection of modern manga. it also leads to the faux amateur look gege and chainsaw guy do. they are blatant 3d models and objects for everything but the chicken scratch lines and shit looking art let people forgive it somehow. like they believe its just bad artist and not deliberate shitter.

>>7170335
>this entire thread is retarded.
>Reply is nothing other than regurgitated advice from previous posts in the thread.
>Somehow manages to get the information wrong anyway.

>>7167651
Rattoreipā X 2099 (Rat Raper X 2099

>>7167621
>How to shade like this in digital?
Are you serious? This is so easy!!

>>7167624
You are reading wrong manga.
Also what's the point of focusing on "digital"? Digital can imitate anything to the point where it will look like traditional, so it sounds like you're expecting a certain art style or else it "doesn't count".

Here's some studies I did from photo reference. I only used one brush so I could focus on my crosshatching. I think inking texture is still a challenge for me, but this was still fun.

>>7167628
Because you're using a cherry picked example. Two can play at that game

Just make a hatching/cross hatching brush

>>7167621
To actually answer the question after 4 fucking days..
Look up dithering.


Where does one get nsfw commissions in 2024?

Anyone got any discord servers they can recommend? The forum world seems completely dead by now, which is what I last remember being a thing. Is hentai foundry still popular and does it get enough traffic to get an artist exposure/commissions?

Help a brother out /ic/

>>7167676
local or cloud GPU imagen or novelai service

post your work and prices and I may commission you

>>7167676
I would had liked this pic more if the tail was shit being shhoted out her asshole
Also no bare feet, fuck u

>>7167676
have a twitter, most of my clients come from twitter, get into discords that you think people who would like your stuff are

if you have a niech fetish that you want to target than go for it and share it on discords for it, i never used reddit, but that might also be a good place to post espetially if you are a actual good artist (unlike me)

godspeed anon

>>7168218
>i never used reddit
There's spacing in your text so you're lying.

>>7167676
Hentai Foundry is pretty much dead in terms of engagement. Even the best artists there get engagement closer to that of what Newgrounds SFW featured pieces there get. The owners and mods being pedophiles doesn't help.
Twitter is your best shot right now in terms for numbers, but if you want to build a community I recommend using that, Newgrounds, and Discord together.

>>7167676
>Where does one get nsfw commissions in 2024?
I get them from fandoms on Twitter. I draw fanart of fotm bitch doing POV anal. She isn't fucking a character, she's fucking (you) and talking to you.
Recently I did of the RWBY bitches and I got 3 comms on the same day.

>>7168271
Twitter is trash, ten million twitter reacts are worth a single Facebook like.

>>7168303
Do you use hashtags? I'm certain that images marked NSFW don't show up on hashtags (even if you enable the setting to show them), so do you post SFW work to attract them to your profile?

I'm doing free art commissions on my Twitter which includes nsfw. @curvylucoa

>>7167676
How does one ink like that?
Inking is probably the only thing I don't understand for shit.

>>7168746
Literally just look at the lines. They're right there. Then, copy them. If you can't do that then no advice will help you.

>>7168541
>free art commissions
Now that's just sad

>>7168760
What's worse is nobody has replied. Time to die.

>>7167676
Twitter and discord are the places I get most of my clients from. Just make friends with fellow artists and make your own discord server.

>>7168541
>>7168760
>>7168794
>Look up name with the intention of giving a pity commission
>Images return from name search
>Want to nope the fuck out
I'm willing to give you a chance. Will you draw me some Apu Apustaja frogs for a little bit of shilling?

>>7169141
Sure. Anything specific you want them to be doing?

>>7169201
Try drawing Apubeard based on this son
>https://apu.community/
Go to the $Apu music playlist and listen to Apubeard, king of the seven choccy seas. As a matter of fact I think I'll join you in drawing him too. Don't be a faggot and drop out on me.

>>7169230
>>7169201
In case you don't get the song, it's just Apu as a your quintessential pirate with a hook and eyepatch.

>>7169309
Nice. Come back to this thread in a couple hours.

>>7169309
>>7169326
Alright I'm back. Are you still here?

>>7169488
Yeah, I'm still here. What's next?

>>7169504
Post the same drawing with your signature just to be sure I want to send you some Crypto.

>>7169518
What's your Ethereum address fren. Uh maybe I should have asked for it as you posted the image, come to this general thread where where we have ID's and post a drawing of a smiley face next to your signature again ek sorry but I'm just paranoid about scamming Jeets that may be lurking.
>>>/bant/20261861

>>7169522
I don't know what you're talking about, man. I just wanna do free commissions that's all.

>>7169529
Well then you have my gratitude.

>>7168541
Anyone else want free commissions?

>>7168118
uuoooohhhhhh cat nunny cunny ToT

>>7168541
>@curvylucoa
You're not getting commissions because your art is beg teir. Learn anatomy and how to draw faces. Your nowhere close to ready to give commissions.

>>7170767
That's why I thought of doing free commissions to get better at drawing. Of course my drawing skills are so shitty that I can't even get free commissions. It's so fucking embarrassing.

>>7170989
Anon, you need a reality check, and I say this with a very good inention: do not post anything for a good year or so. Draw and do not show it to anyone, because its pointless, but keep track of your progress which you'll eventually see. People are not interested in it, and no pro will take you under his wings or redline your stuff. You are at the stage, when you shouldn't even do loomis head, but a shitton of cylinders, and boxes.

>>7171000
I see your good intentions and thank you. Anything else?

>>7170989
there is a telegram group called coursebuster they have a lot of leaked Coloso and proko courses also books that you can download for free and start learning/training rn
https://t.me/+UzpDIm0f0Ys0OTM8

>>7177101
omg dude, then open one, or learn by yourself, or buy their expensive courses for 2000 usd or kys

>AIsloppa falsefagging thread
This plot point is getting way too cliche. Mikufag get better content!

>>7177736
do not give up to easy man, fight for your life


whats the appeal of this books? kek<br>artfags getting desperate for any money or what

>>7167666
The average western adult is a moron and is attracted to trends, especially quirky reddit-leaning trends. People who make this shit are just cashing in on them.

>>7167666
You're like ten years late. Yeah this shit is cringe, but why comment on it now?
Also if there is a market for this kind of shit, why not? Are companies that sell adult diapers also "desperate"? If people want it, and you can make it, your practically pushing money away by not catering to them.

old women who cant draw/color but consider themselves artists like doing these

The worst thing about these is bad line:white space ratio. Hideous little drawings, not suitable. It's like adults are so insecure about being perceived as kids, they become retarded and worse than them. Even a dumb little kid understands more white space = more colors. But no, "adults" have to senselessly complicate a simple thing to make it feel like it's a different thing from what little Emily is doing.

>>7167832
i tought its some teraphy shit etc?

>>7168028
It is occupational therapy.
Some way to fool brainless adults without constructive hobbies into doing something other than drinking themselves to sleep in front of the t.v.


/int/ & /beg/ - Intermediate and Beginners General

No more questions, just draw edition

If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Please stop replying to crabs, nodraws and howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/<wbr>1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGq<wbr>wSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpH<wbr>w6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwi<wbr>ci/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77<wbr>TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

Previous thread >>7165774

I'm tired as shit after work<br>still gonna draw though

I hate to say this but it is true, drawing actually makes you better at drawing

I think I'm starting to wrap my head around the idea of seeing value when i look at a reference instead of thinking of everything as lines. Very weird feeling

Could someone please explain their understanding of Vilppu's gesture? I've read his book and watched his lectures, but I really don't get it. Is the movement created by the transitions between lines? Since the lines aren't contour lines how do you keep things in proportion?

>>7167908
not always but more reliably then not drawing

>>7167898
I much prefer OP who does these cool previous thread pics

Do you guys think it's reasonable to make two full A4 pages of circles and other simple geometric shapes everyday? Should I be doing more?

Took a photo at 7AM at a techno rave. I'm very happy with the result, it even turned out better than I had imagined

>>7167723
Any recommendations?
I think I did the neck way too shor

>>7167941
I took the brent eviston basic drawing course and apparently he did way more just about every day for a year when he was a student. I didn't commit that hard but I started just drawing pages of circles and ovals of various sizes and it's helped me immensely with drawing curves so I'd say it's helpful for at least something.

Am I NGMI if I keep getting filtered by KtD?

Reminder than anyone who asks for advice without posting work is baiting you

Reminder that everyone in this thread is baiting you.
Crab general.
Crab board.

jokes on you im a failed neet i cant afford paid lessons

>>7167814
Hundreds of these
>>7167817
Excellent
>>7167827
Render more primitives
>>7167821
We will rejoice that he is still with us
>>7167911
Excellent
>>7167948
More mileage, studies
>>7167973
Hope you get some business out of this, Red Blob Senpai
>>7167979
Excellent

Sketched up a small shortstack, might actually make this into a character but gotta go through it again to fix the anatomy on the legs as they are a bit too long for this type of character. Also the general anatomy isn't quite there yet.

Tried doing some draw a box today and while the exercieses are a bit unconventional I can see the value in doing them.

>>7167973
Tempting.
I love your work redblobfag. I remember when u used to be the resident schizo gesturenigger just less than a year ago and now your figures are amazing with beautiful lines and good volumes.
Really tempting if I werent such a fucking embarrassment.

How did u get so good so fast? Any course, teacher, etc?

>>7167898
can someone be kind enough as to post KJG's early art? If he practiced and improved then surely there must be bad art of his somewhere to see just how far he's come?

I drew a demon, I feel I could've done better with the horns.

What do you guys think I should fix?

>>7167973
>>7167988
he posted his baraag in the loli general but i cant find it anymore. it was a russian sounding name tho

>>7167973
If you were teal i’d open my wallet in a heartbeat.

>>7167973

>>7167990
thank you!

>>7167992
you are very kind! dont be mislead though. my drawings are more like very elaborate careful paintings using a thin brush - that is to say they take a very long time still. i have yet to improve my speed to capture a spontaneous quality in my figures
no specific course or teacher, i honestly attribute 95% of my improvement to this practice routine i (autistically, over-analytically) developed >>7161375

whatever i could hope to teach a student, they could recreate on their own for free following that practice routine

>>7167988
https://baraag.net/@mikhailvorontso<wbr>v

>>7168029
Thanks a lot anon. I am wagecucking it right now but I will try to read it with more care once I get home and try to incorporate it into my daily grinding.
Do you have a before/after by any chance? Timelapses?

>>7168035
sorry, no. my pc becomes literally unusable (for drawing) if i try screencapturing at more than 1 fps (and even then, it microstutters at about 1 stutter per second lol)
the only snapshots of a pictures progress are the underlying layers like in this example >>7167821
which all get reduced in opacity, merged down and drawn over until there is only the final image left

as for more "conventional" drawing and painting - i almost never do them anymore to focus completely on iterative figure drawing (and adding values only to make the final product a bit prettier for customers)

>>7167996
The balance seems stiff because the torso is in front and the limbs are doing things around it.
I'd like it more if her shoulders were tilted more (one up, one down), right hip and glute raised, the navel mark placed in the middle. After that, perhaps lower the left leg a bit or add foreshortening on her left arm.

Repost
This is best i can do
Thoughts? And what to look out for
I wanna note the flaws down n go study one most said to do first

>try to draw anime face
>end up with basedjack

>>7168029
not the other anon, but I love the softer brushwork on your sketches. e.g. top left red sketch. any brush recs?

>>7167973
Fuck i wanna get this good

Discord is _esgee

We can vc and i can show u more examples, these are some doodles from last night

Sleep in 2 hours.
Should i draw or should i goon&game.
I shoould let a coin flip decide.

>>7167999
here's his art as 16 yr old ;)

>>7168089
i am using sai (version 2) so i could not really give you my brushes if i had any specific ones

my one and only brush for drawing, sketching, linework (aside from calligraphy) is a round brush with slightly softened edge, with strong pressure sensitivity in opacity, slight sensitivity in size, and a weak "blur" / "smudge" component (i would advise against using smudging brushes usually, but i got used to "destroying" an underlying brush stroke by placing another stroke on top. the weak blurring effect destroys the underlying brush strokes edges and the eye can focus on the stronger top brush stroke more easily. it is a matter of convenience while i am sketching, when actually drawing i press down hard enough to cover the underlying strokes either way, regardless of blurring or not

(pic related, ive posted it before... sorry. here you can see the same brush at various sizes and various (unfinished) stages of a sketch to get afeeling of how it behaves. large soft brush strokes at the beginning of the sketch which "blurr themselves" into being vague, and increasingly smaller and smaller and more decisive strokes which due to a smaller brush size look sharper. basically the hard round brush meme of doing everything with the same brush. its nothing special, only i have gotten used to it completely)

also i should note, the size sensitivity serves only to make each stroke itself a bit prettier, when i start a sketch with a large brush size, i do not press harder to make it bigger, i increase the brush size itself and press down very lightly to create very broad and very vague suggestions of shapes. do not make the mistake of trying to cover a wider range of brush sizes with pressure alone! you will drive yourself insane as i have before i understood this

>>7168091
thanks!
im sorry, i have no microphone, my spoken english is not nearly enough to convey information efficiently, and above all - i do not use discord or any apps that require my personal information. discord (like many other apps and services) requires a phone number (or an email address from a select few whitelisted providers who themselves require phone numbers) which is linked to my government issued id by law. unless this is a turn-off for you, look into the app i suggested "session". it requires no signup, it is available for mobile phones and desktop, it routes traffic over TOR automatically. otherwise again, sorry for the inconvenience

>Think about drawing something that isn't just KTD Loomis Gesture Figure study and more "From the heart" or "for fun"
>Get incredibly anxious
Why though. Shouldn't it be the easier part of the process? You know ,the actually fun one.

Can I get a redline or adive on how to unfuck this please

>>7168147
Is her butt squishing against the table? God that's hot

>>7168116
jesus christ its so fucking over

>>7168155
>table
That's giantess nonsense mate

>>7168128
thanks for the advice. i'm interested in critique, here is some recent work and my session id: 0530a83463831e9f0a1d5b1feaddf8ad55c<wbr>07425e627c4a1b02bd991f45873481c
i can send the other information you requested there.

>>7167973
Absolutely based. I had some of the critiques you made in the /beg/ threads screencapped, you're a legend mate.
Here's some of the things I've worked on over the past week. If you have too many students on your plate feel free to skip me, I've had too much issues with crypto in the past to want to touch it again so I'd end up forcing you through the paypal route. But better to shoot my shot anyways
Here's my session 052417e5b18e42a6a13db8850418521dfd0<wbr>5b3ad9b32753d97eff915c254faff0b

>>7166514
Okay, now seriously. Why are all my heads leaning towards left?

>>7167973
>Training an apprentice to help you create even more Loli pedo artwork.

Can't tell if I should be impressed or appalled. Good luck anon.

>>7168265
habit, flip your canvas every few mins while drawing to fix

>>7168314
It's bad but it's charming weirdly enough lol

>>7168322
Is it only charming because of the massive breasts?

I feel like a retarded toddler learning how to walk all the time

>>7168320
Really cool anon

>>7168265
If you are drawing on a screen tablet, you may be too close to the screen. I used to hunch very close which caused all my drawings to have bad angles.

>>7168314
Use reference and Hide channel

>>7167944
looks great anon, glad you feel pride in yourself

>>7168358
This is actually hella better!

I watched your video and didn't understand much of it other than "Blocks and proportions" is that all there is?

https://youtu.be/RXb-Y_kz2aU

Been haunted by visions of fish women recently.

I don’t draw because you told me I am NGMI.

Double dipping because...

Anyone know how to use color pencils?

>>7168495
She'll need a strong back for the 100 lbs of titty meat she's carrying around.

Anyone have any experience with some lightweight sketching/drawing programs?<br>I have a Surface Go from like 2018 so I can use it as a screen tablet for drawing when I'm laying in bed but Krita is too powerful for it to reliably use it smoothly, it ends up lagging in more complex things especially multiple layers.

>>7168513
>dyel batman
LOL. Learn to draw muscular man dude.

Started using photoshop three days ago. First thing I made.

Second thing.

I haven't had this much fun drawing in a while. I spent all day at work just excited to come home and draw.

>>7168554
>I spent all day at work just excited to come home and draw.
I've been feeling this too lately, just itching to go home and draw, doodling in my work notebook when I have a chance. Very pleasent feeling.

I'm glad you're having fun anon, these drawings have a lot of appeal, very expressive.

>>7167991 >>7167996 >>7168001
The form has been felt
>>7168062 >>7168080 >>7168147
More mileage
>>7168091
Soul
>>7168101
Skeleton’s neck has a boner
>>7168116
Must have been doing that shit in another lifetime for a few decades before he got here (maybe more than that)
>>7168128
Saved
>>7168172
GMI under his tutelage
>>7168257
I alluded to this in that past thread wherever that bee had been posted, but this has to be that same anon who copied Tom Fox; the linework is too similar
>>7168265
I draw over the same spot a bunch of times to try to feel out the angle / form of something first, then erase it with like 50% opacity eraser, then put a more final line, possibly comparable to red blob senpai's workflow
>>7168311 >>7168453 >>7168492
Excellent, thousands of these
>>7168314
Picking up on some simple shapes, more mileage, and what the 3rd anon said
>>7168320
Cool / Creepy
>>7168363
Art is like that
>>7168370
GMI
>>7168372 >>7168506
Amen
>>7168393
Primitives / still life first
>>7168513
It's "Unibrow-Emoticon-Anon."
>>7168553
Soul

>>7168571
Are you fucking with me u fucking negroid?

>>7168320
Really really appealing composition and colors. I could see this being art for something like Sorcery.

>>7167973
Hacks like this are what motivates me to improve. God I hate artists so much.

Drawing every day until I stop being mediocre shit #3. 01:07
I remember Rapoza saying that to git gud (and he is really fucking gud) you need to grind fundamentals, apply them to a drawing with reference and then from imagination over and over and over for HOURS A FUCKING DAY.

I despise and hate people who have families to support their dreams or at least put a roof on their heads and food on their table so fucking much while I have to wageslave. I will REALLY APLLY MYSELF during the weekend when I dont have gym or wagecage to fuck my shit up.
I have been forsaking sleep and abusing caffeine again. Heart and eyes are acting up

>tfw no art community to coddle me and give me that sweet sweeet dopamine fix.

>>7168617
Timelapse. I want to believe what little I drew of the sketch has proper construction and fundies (it doesnt)

>>7168029
>>7168046
It has been soulcrushing to see you go from the gestureschizo to redblobfag. Makes me wonder what the fuck have I been doing all this time.
I really want to git gud.
Thanks a lot for your elaborate routine development. I will read up on it and hope some talent rubs off on me

day 4<br>really feeling how terrible I am at measuring quickly

i still can't do light or lineweight. How do I improve this?

There's hundreds of courses from pros you can get for free why would you pay some mid-beg to tell you to do gesture drawings

>>7168641
Use his public post and improve without paying to show him who is boss

>>7168641
Idk he grinded gestures for months and improved like this...? Maybe we should be doing gestures bro

>>7168607
Here's my work, you smug asshole. Are you the faggot shilling for classes? If you are, your art is fucking shit. The reason I am learning to draw is because I cannot tolerate mediocre shit like that. As they say, if you want something done well, do it yourself.

>>7168641
feedback maybe
You will be doing the same stuff either way, but having a course to rate you and guide you back can be nice. It is time dedicated to you and it can deserve pay.
We need ai loomis that can look at your pictures and talk to you :]

>>7168646
I can't masturbate to your art 0/10

>>7168528
That's for the detailed critique bro

>>7168652
You're just too basic to see what I see.

bridgman copying, 2nd try (I posted 1st try but you guys told me to not copy mindlessly and to take time to copy it correctly so I just started again)

>>7168646
Just came buckets. Thank you anon.

>>7168603
>>7168646
>Here's my work, you smug asshole. Are you the faggot shilling for classes? If you are, your art is fucking shit.
same goes to you too

>>7168674
At least his art doesn't put him on a list.

Either way, I'm curious about how this goes. You all better post work and learn from this talented pedo or you'll prove us assholes right.

>>7168674
I'm aware you made it kind of your thing but I prefer anything less eyebleach then usual radioactive neon ##

I was trying to draw some cool dude but instead I ended up with smug dickhead with a big ass forehead, I also can't properly draw cloth folds

>>7167973
Minimum skill requirement to participate?

name good mangas with lots of dynamic figures in perspective to copy

>>7168749
I don't even know what dynamic figures in perspective are.
P

one of those days where everything i made was garbage and felt like i regressed. destroyed a drawing pad too.

>>7168363
Your art here is good, though? Miles ahead of mine.

>>7168506
It will be when I actually start producing shit I like. Until then, drawing fucking sucks and I have to force myself to do it.

is shes pose dymanic enough? Ignore caption text, I try make it like she promote some burito dinner

>>7168713
ngl, smash, anyway cute piercing

>>7168781
You write and draw like a 10 yo boy

>>7167898
3 years of drawing every day... i love drawing bodies.
trying faces and colors makes me want to quit
im garbage

>>7168713
ugly nose and hair
the ear is better than your previous ones tho

>>7168571
can you stop posting please, you are providing nothing of value.
you are not improving. (you clearly aren't trying at all)
you can't give advice
you are not taking this seriously
refrain from posting your shitty "studies", consider another hobby.

>>7168844
How come this fag >>7168617
 doesnt get the same treatment?

>>7168492
You better post the fucking ref now

>>7168852
He doesn't mass reply with nonsense in a thread mortally starved for (You)s

>>7168571
Youre shitting up threads with nonsense replies. Just pick a few people to reply to and no more.

>>7168928
9/10, -1 for not showing feets

>>7168985
he's right though. Beginners should just stfu and learn

My retarded piece of shit beginner ass should not have bought the wacom one what a fucking garbage pen does this thing have my god

>>7169015
>wacom one
The one with the screen? That shit's expensive for what it is. It should be a quality product. I don't think you made a bad purchase. Just have patience and try to have fun. You'll get around it. Screenless are much harder to

>>7169023
No, the one is the most barebons tablet ever.
its just a small piece of plastic and a pen.
No hotkey buttons at all and I dont know if the pen even has buttons.

>>7169023
Nah I got the screenless one that is from 2019 I believe
I started hating the pen after a while, bought a
Staedtler Noris Digital Jumbo 180J 22 which felt great in hand, but turns out to only work for that overly expensive one with the screen so I'm seething cause I need to return it and continue with the garbage wacom pen instead

Very /Beg/ here.
Hello. I saw this pic in this forum days ago and I would like to see how can I achieve to draw these curvy body with a chubby face (it would be cool if it could differentiate age) like that.
I'm asking for a guide that more or less give me this result or more pieces of this artist (or similar artists) to learn from then.

>Spend 45 minutes just eyeballing drawing, no construction
>It's bad
>Spend 2 hours painstakingly constructing
>It's also fucking terrible

>>7169027
You won't find specific stuff like that
you have to go through the fundamentals, you can only simplify forms when you actually know them.
Everything will look like shit if you don't because you will just be copying stuff and symbol drawing.

>>7169029
>beg
>drawing doesn't come out right
Holy shit, what could have happened??

>>7169029
uhhh... just make the chin less squared?

>>7168577
Now she’s in different dimensions and shit, that’s dedication
>>7168617 >>7168619
You can’t work any faster than this, because of that, at the very least, you should try to enjoy whatever time that you *are* able to draw - you should give yourself credit for drawing at all between balancing a job; many-a-post I’ve seen other anons describing it as impossible trying to draw after work. Hope the caffeine usage doesn’t burn you out though - I always felt like that extra energy has to come from somewhere, and it always catches up with you eventually

>>7168627
Slow down (I’m not talking about quality over quantity, I mean just in general, slow down)
>>7168630
Probably want to start with easier forms first - you’re trying to draw several things way above your current skill level: wings, fantasy-type creature anatomy, scales, feathers, hands, eyes / teeth that are sorta just pasted flatly onto the form, etc
>>7168710 Same problem - portraits are their own thing, and so is drapery / clothing (which is literally doing cloth simulation in your own head from imagination)
>>7168658 >>7168710 >>7168842 >>7168928
Thousands of these >>7168658 Gesture anon also copied Hampton and Morpho first
>>7168646
Any figures / other doodles / sketches?
>>7168674
Her tail-tail
>>7168706 >>7168952
Amen
>>7168713
Yes more repetition
>>7168739
Chiruno
>>7168905
Powdery texture anon
The original anon who bestowed the name “Red Blob Senpai” was simply known as “Gesture Anon.” (who had himself finished copying Hampton and Morpho Simplified, he was a few memory copies into Bridgman before he disappeared)

“Gesture Anon” also gave another name, “cheesecake Bridgman anon” to this guy who apparently had only been drawing for 1.5 years, did 1000 Loomis heads in a couple of months and also finished copying all of Bridgman in a short amount of time - cheesecake anon also advocated the big Morpho book. Both of them have since disappeared from /ic/

Circa November 2022-January 2023

>>7169005
this is the ref but as you can see I'm not copying 100% I'm trying to make her muscular and more toned. Also tried to refine the sketch

>>7169043
not even crabbing, but I've never seen someone draw as badly as you, on or off /ic/

do you have some kind of learning disability or mental deficiency?

Are you some kind of an advanced troll?

Your art reminds me of an obese, clinically autistic neckbeard who was in my life drawing class. He smelt bad, and would walk up to random girls and chat them up for 10-20 minutes at a time during break, and during critiques he would get defensive and on the verge of tears, when people told him how badly he drew. This was in a hug-box, sjw modern art type art school too, yet those people couldn't hold back from telling him how badly he drew.

And yet you draw worse than him.

Learn to draw what you see accurately. Control your proportions. Go through Betty Edwards. Stop posting your shit here until you've done a month of accurate, still life drawings. No one needs your inexperienced, dunning kruger advice. You said in another thread you were "staking your life on drawing"? What a joke. Pawell is 1000x more gmi than you.

>>7169043
shut the fuck up, you shouldn't be giving any advise.
limit yourself to ask questions and admiring in silence.
Stop shitting up the thread. you are literally worse than chris chan levels of perma beg.

What do you think? It is copied, will I improve by doing this?

>>7169058
As long as you also learn proportions and how to accentuate gestures, sure.
Be sure to get in perspective too. otherwise boxes wont do much.
The purpose of boxes is to align everything to a horizon line.

>>7168646
>a bunch of fucking lines
do /beg/lets really?

>>7169047
get ref of muscluar women if you want to also add those features
same with the particular stylizations you're going for

>>7169068
okay but do you have any specific critiques?

>>7169049
>>7169057
ayy lmao retard triggered the crabs

>>7169072
>crabs
Crabbing only applies to "dragging down" successful people.

That guy is not successful.

In fact, he's at the bottom of the crab barrel.

I'm not sure if I'm stepping into shit, mud, or his smushed, rotting carcass.

>>7169072
crabbing implies the guy is somewhat remotely good at what he does.
this guy is even worse than an autistic 30yo manchild.

>>7168777
You’re too kind. Can someone give me hand tips now or link me to good artist studies of hands to do master copies from

Marielx

>>7169043
She is beyond time and space itself.

Anonymous

>>7169082
https://dn790009.ca.archive.org/0/i<wbr>tems/TheBookOfAHundredHands/TheBook<wbr>OfAHundredHands.pdf
see also anons work, starting from >>7129353

>>7167991
Update, probably gonna think of an outfit later

Sup beg, i failed to draw for 2days. Its over.

Also i would like to ask why was the post promising tutoring for money deleted? Were jannies terrified of begs using pay2win strategy?

>>7166377
The name of software i use for the pic can be seen in bottom right. In this case its aseprite
>>7169058
i wish drawabox told people to do this instead of the box spam. very nice
>>7169029
welcome to the beg, enjoy the pain, we have lots of it
>>7169027
keys to drawing, then this
goodreads.com/book/show/57137066-dr<wbr>awing-the-female-figure
>>7169015
i am sorry you fell victim to the shill autist who keep shilling wacom in the general. it is funny how the most expensive one is the worst one. i recc xppen deco L
>>7168842
i recc switching to less violent brush for the linework
>>7168781
keys to drawing
>>7168706
>>7168658
nice
>>7168577
i kneel
>>7168520
SAI2 is the most lightweight optimised app i ever seen. FireAlpaca / MediBang were on 2nd place. DrawPile is also supposed to be lightweight
>>7168492
BOOBA
>>7168396
did you use burn/dodge tool? very unusual colors i like it
>>7168311
>>7167911
old masters would be proud

Can anyone learn to draw? Can you guarantee that i'll keep getting better if i start putting in like 4 hours a day?

>>7169043
>been drawing since 2022
This is an obvious troll. Mods should be deleting his spam

>>7169104
>Can you guarantee that i'll keep getting better if i start putting in like 4 hours a day?
No. Chris chan should be enough proof but there have been enough actual permabegs here to put it beyond reasonable doubt

>bunch of howie's
>permabeg mass replying schizos
>and nodraw yapping niggas
Yeah this general is beyond saving, I'm outta here

>>7169109
He's mentally impaired though.
I meant in terms of an average IQ well-functioning perso n.

>>7169117
You can clearly read so read the second part of my post.

I don't consider myself an artist but I'd like to become one. How can I move from doodling to actual art?

>>7169139
https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-<wbr>start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-<wbr>roadmap-to-professional-quality-art<wbr>/

This guide applies to any style of drawing, not just capeshit. It's good, foundational knowledge that a lot of students are missing.

>>7169139
What's your dream project? It all comes to that. Just the idea of "I want to be an artist", never works by itself. There must be a deep motivation. Something you want to do or express. An story, a fetish, an obsession. Something that force you to keep going even when you suck. You will fall to a bottomless hell, and keep falling, but there must be "that" something that keeps you going. And keeping going against all odds is the only way to get gud, and "make it". It may take more than a decade, or a life time, you don't know. The only thing you know is "that" thing that push you forward towards that goal. If you don't have "that", then you will be in 'wanna be' limbo for all eternity. "Wishing to wish" something that just it is not in you at all.

>>7169098
>Complains about autist shills
>Is an autist shill

Neck too long, I know. I still quite like it.

Okay wow, I just saw a camel portrait and decided why not try to study it and I think in two minutes I did a pretty good job, except for the fur, I am still bad at any kind of hair

>>7169049
Now you've seen someone that draws worse than that guy. It's me, lol.

>>7169182
I'm sorry I'm retarded and forgot to attach the picture

>>7169157
Thank you so much for your thoughtful response, it honestly helps me a lot. My "artistic vision" is difficult for me to put into words, but I definitely have one. I like drawing excessively large and repeating patterns that are tedious and take hours to do, not because it's difficult to do it, but just because I want to and no one else will. On average I spend 2-4 hours drawing on each weekday and upwards of 8 on weekend. I have done this for years. I like making something that really "exists" in a tangible way. I like showing that I was there and that I did something. I like doing pointless things for hundreds of hours just to say "see, I really do exist."

If I had a room to use to create a showcase, my dream would be to plaster the floors, wall, and ceiling in my doodles. Then I'd like to hang more down from the ceiling with fishing line so that you can't physically move without pushing through them

>>7169029
Head anatomy is a very hard thing to start with
>>7169047
Do you copy any plates at all? (loomis, hampton, morpho, etc)
>>7169058
You want to do memory copies too (a certain # of hours after having finished the original copy; do it again from memory, compare it to the reference and note what areas you forgot, then wait another day and repeat) and solidify what you learned eventually by doing loose doodles / sketches where you try to incorporate the forms / shapes you got from doing the copy originally

>>7169082
Morpho Hands, also copying random references from Pinterest
>>7169094
Form was felt; looking forward to it
>>7169139
Draw random household objects / copy something you like
>>7169089
Now that’s service

Mickey Hampton head, page 63

Studies gradually begin to build up in your bloodstream like Midi-chlorians - tiny bits and pieces begin to stick more and more each time another study is done.

mickey hampton head pg 63 may 16th 2024.jpg

>>7169187
this is schizophrenia, and not in the good way

>check out Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain since it's apparently the only alt to KtD
>It's just more "draw your hand lol" shit
aaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!<wbr>!!!!!!

>>7169212
Drawing your hand is the best exercise from KtD though.
How can you not like it, it's so cool

Man i really need to stop buming around and get to drawing.
I have the time, i have the supplies, i have the books. I just struggle with actually sitting down and getting down to it. It's been a reoccuring issue.
Not to shit up the thread but does anyone have a functional advice for this issue besides
>Force it out.

>>7169245
Remove the friction. Have your supplies out and ready to use, or if you're on digital, have your drawing program open in the background and tablet out, incase get the urge to jot something down inbetween shit posting on beg.

>>7169278
have you ever drawn anything that has any redeeming qualities?

>>7169295
I think this is the best i've done but i don't draw a lot outside of practice type tasks(even those i draw not that often)
This is from like half a year ago btw. I've done maybe three drawings since then.
I'd like to be a guy who draws but i don't think i have the mythical compulsion or draw to it. Neither is my autism strong enough to commit to a routine.
The process is pretty fun, but as far as fun goes nothing will ever topple jacking off into a tissue and playing factorio so why bother

There was a lot of criticism from others, from which I realized that drawing was not my thing. All this is meaningless without the talent to simply draw a cube in perspective, correctly compose a composition of shapes, and expressively depict anatomy. There are talented people and untalented retards in these threads. Ironically, I used to think about this in the context of the exact sciences, where a mathematically gifted person solves a given example by going beyond the basic formula, and the retard simply follows it, simply copying the solution. This happens in writing music, books, learning languages, sports and other crap. That picture from /r9k/ with the football player chad and the girl kissing him is presented as a figurative achievement of perfection by the artist, when the football player is an artist who has comprehended all the rules and principles, and the girl is his desired image which he can perfectly draw with his excellent skills. In the end, my thoughts about the determinism of the will are confirmed by Howie and a lot of anons drawing crap. What you want to draw, what you can draw and how you draw it are completely different things, and a talented artist mixes them all into one. I would like to show creative nihilism, but that would be self-deception, because only your crap and the crap of people on the same level as you have no value. I really hate you all, largely not because of your talent, envy, but for personal reasons. Reflection makes the idea of something more, a dream, nonsense and rubbish; you need to return to reality in time, in which you are just a small and offended crab, destined not to get out of the bucket, but to be eaten, before that you just dive deeper into your essence.

>>7169244
Because it's fucking impossible

>>7169308
This is making me want to draw oddly enough. Come to think of it the most i've ever drawn was when i was trying to prove people wrong about me.
Maybe i should tap into that again

>>7169305
>I'd like to be a guy who draws but i don't think i have the mythical compulsion or draw to it
when I first got into it I was extremely inconsistent, but have worked on my industriousness to the point where I have drawn fairly consistently for the past few years and for the better part of a year have been drawing every day. my point is that a work ethic can be cultivated, you don't have to be a naturally hard-working person. start small, gradually build up, and you can make a lot of ground.
>as far as fun goes nothing will ever topple jacking off into a tissue and playing factorio so why bother
ultimately it is your own choice - I'm not telling you what to do - but I don't imagine in your final breaths you will say to yourself
>"man, I'm really glad I jerked off and played factorio so much and didn't really try to get good at art [or some other, less immediately-gratifying skill]."
again, do you anon, but it's something to seriously consider.

>>7169319
nondescript and crooked box people, in fact simple forms of people, the same as hundreds of others in these threads, but worse

>>7169334
are you this guy: >>7169043
because I said some really mean things to him itt and I regret it

>new schizo anon
>mass replies to ppl
>hasn't improved in years
>gives advice while being pre beg

live Pawel Reaction >>> https://youtu.be/sM5nfsbC760

Let's face it, most people should leave these threads and not litter them with their garbage, there should be 10 or even less people left here whose progress is really high and they deserve to be artists... It's just that the majority still believe and try, and those few with talent they show leniency, but even so this endless whining about obstacles is a manifestation of the true meaning of your soul. Subconsciously you understand that your true essence cannot draw, but your consciousness copes, you post your drawings, you want criticism, and you get it, but what in the end? Look out the window, look at this janitor, he is honest with himself and his consciousness knows its place, it is united. The main problem is that you are a janitor but want to be an artist, you are a janitor but want to be a programmer, you are a janitor but want to have a girlfriend, you are a janitor but want to write books, you are a janitor but want to write music, you are janitors but want be something more than who you really are. Janitors remove garbage from the street and leave when the street is clean. The janitor does not need to be on a clean street. You are janitors who should remove your garbage from the thread and leave on your own.

>>7169337
I’m not him, but you said everything correctly, some people are truly incorrigible degenerates, they can’t do anything, they won’t achieve anything, just staying in their fantasies where everything works out for them. It's sad to be such a person

>>7169333
it doesn’t matter what we think before we die. the conclusion is exactly the same.

>>7169380
>>7169333
also, art is worthless and has no value. it’s a snakeoil we try to sell to gullible buyers. if you cannot make a living from art, then there’s no reason in trying to improve (but still draw cause it’s fun sometimes)

>>7169386
Art has value for the artist as human self-expression, the realization of his mythical representation of reality, money does not become the main goal here

>>7169380
I do not mean this in a rude way, as I hope you can understand where I'm coming from, but I am skeptical whether you actually believe that. of the people who have stated something similar to you, I would venture to say that a vast majority were not indifferent about their life and more specifically their shortcomings. if they genuinely believed that it didn't matter because "the conclusion is exactly the same," then there would be no sense of regret. perhaps you will be an exception, but that is very unlikely imo.
>>7169386
>art is worthless and has no value
so what is necessarily true about all things that do have value?

>>7169212
there are more alternatives than 1

>>7169212
>DRSB is apparently the only alt to KtD
lurk more, brother

too much text in this thread<br>here's a crab

>>7169439
No way you stupid faggot nigger

Trying to get back into drawing after nodrawing for years. Starting to just doodles to keep it fun

>>7169173
Muscle mommy next?
>>7169184
All steps along the same path to GMI. Let us keep drawing.
>>7169186
Beautiful (thousands of these). Good - hatching shows you’re getting the most basic of 3D form down.
>>7169187
You can pick anything then and see where trying to draw it daily takes you; if you find something more interesting than another you can look up reference for it and try copying it
>>7169227
Reminds me of that penguin that left its herd and started walking into the void
>>7169291
Looks like Jet Set Studio
>>7169305
Take the autism-nofap-meditation-exercise-/f<wbr>it/-schizophrenia-christianity-dopa<wbr>mine-narcissist pill
>>7169307
Thousands of these
>>7169337
No worries :)
>>7169449
It looks like it has a gigantic-rectangular pair of testicles
>>7169468
Good form on the pig, wonder if equipping it with different shit makes it faster at finding more mushrooms
>>7169194
Also mine

>>7169341
I’ll let you know how it goes. It took me 4 years however, to produce one animation which was anywhere near the quality of say, Yeero’s first animation he had ever uploaded to the internet (on his old Tumblr account), so I feel like 1.5 years isn’t enough time for me to learn art fully either (or even to any decent or acceptable extent); if there’s a bell curve of people with talent / learning speed, I’m no doubt on the far, far, left side of that bell curve. I’ll try my best though and let you know how that shit goes. Odds are you’ll be disappointed though. (Hell it was about seven years before I even grokked wrestling, though that’s another story altogether)

My mind is literally resistant to learning. I’m certain most people who have already made it have the drop on me (started before me) by 10+ years, but I try my best nevertheless, for however puny of a time that 1.5 years of drawing mileage might be.

I just like drawing.

I haven't sketched in 9+ years. How am I doing so far? Boar head because people head was way too difficult.

>>7168116
That horse is such a dick head

>>7169483
Reasonably appealing but you haven't given much to critqiue. Def potential

>>7169071
nta but I'd draw more abs from reference if you like abs a lot. get looking at those tummies bro.
I am beg so take it with a grain of salt.

>>7169307
High Appeal, the porportions of his fat little torso and narrow head are fun

I feel that I'm particularly good at shading, but not terribly great at line art. Should I just focus my strengths?

>>7169560
I know really great artists who only paint, with no lines. It helps that you can work digitally. With oil painting that would be harder, but if you like to paint only, then just paint!

Copying other people's art is a fun way to learn

draws for today!

>>7169590
looks great anon!

>>7169521
he is correct though

>>7169082
I gained my ability to draw hands from morpho's books.

why does the skull look so out of place lel

>>7169606
>try poses that hide the hands
People will know what you're doing

What are some good resources for Color and Value? Currently my resources are

Color and Light - James Gurney
How to Render - Scott Robertson
Alla Prima 2 - Richard Schmidt

Marielx

>>7169629
No one will know if i dont point it out.

Anonymous

>>7169638
au contraire -- every time I see a piece with the hands hidden I assume it's because the artist can't draw hands.

Marielx

>>7169642
I always try to do poses that show hands because the person who introduced me to drawing told me hiding hands is done by cowardly people, im everything but a coward, so thats how i go.

Anonymous

Can I get some advice on the coloring and shading here in particular?

Bros am I GMI?<br>https://files.catbox.moe/ye1w36.jpg<wbr>

>>7169649
What an awful day to have functioning eyes

>>7168960
Aren't the tits here too high up? They look good though so maybe it doesn't matter

>>7169640
Tell me how to get to your level, or else.

Give me a detailed practice curriculum, so I can draw like you.

I quickly sketched out a character idea I had. Is it any good?

>>7169521
he's right nigger + seethe because you can never draw

>>7169645
Hey NTA but I just wanted to let you know that you're the only person I root for in these threads- not because of your posting etiquette or anything since you're most likely a weirdo asshole (because you have a trip lol), just how your style is progressing. Keep it up

Marielx

Trying as hard as possible to get some backgrounds on my doodles.

>>7169699
Thank you, i guess?

Anonymous

I'm writing a 40k/cyberpunk crossover story, first illustration for chapter 1. :) What do you guys think?

added a halftone pattern filter to make it look like a tv show, and to hide the shitty line art lol<br>shit trick I know I'm just trying effects

>>7169509
Then there must be some misunderstanding here - I try to do memory copies more than a week later after I originally copied it, I have not previously “shown my work” before this, but I can show you the exact plates that I’m trying to reproduce from memory, and wherever I can’t (which is often), I am trying my damndest to substitute in some type of remotely close set of shapes that I can muster up that will still represent that I had learned something from copying said plate in the first place.

Top left is a pair of legs I tried to style after doing a Norakura copy,
Top right is a Loomis head with part of Mustang's outfit from FMA,
Bottom left was me trying to roughly capture the shape of a Taco head + adding hair to it which I've also copied from Paryi

(though hair has not come very naturally to me so I don't remember much from the copies I did of him weeks ago, as I've also gone back to grinding just pure anatomy again)

All memory copies / best-attempt-memory-reproductions I've done here were done more than 24 hours after the original plates were copied.

hey not sure if this is the right thread for this but working on a game and im a bit stumped on how to make the character im drawing match more with the overall aesthetic of the game. Not necessarily the artstyle, but moreso the coloring of the character, and how to make it match the backgrounds, yet also stand out.

First picture shows the pink outline i wanted to try at first. Kinda worked. Second is when i tried to keep the pink, but tried making her all black to see if it would help stand out. Last is when i just tried coloring normally but it doesn't match the game at all.

The game's background art is pixelated and i try to keep the amount of colors to a minimum, i'll reply to this with a few screenshots so you can see what i mean.

>>7169768
The bottom two is what all the art is gonna look like, i just included the actual pieces up top so you can see the color scheme and aesthetic better. Im starting to think maybe the background art is too busy, and i'll need to maybe dim it when the character comes in or something, but i also really like how the art looks, so idk.

>>7169770
both things i've tried so far. maybe it really is just my artstyle that's the issue.

>the schizo is posting the same message in two generals now
can someone ban this shitter
>>7169098
can't believe trannies deleted red blobs post, this place is just complete ass cheeks

>>7169773
>can't believe trannies deleted red blobs post, this place is just complete ass cheeks
wtf its true.

>>7169772
dig the aesthetics, im more for the 1st one cuz it makes her stick out from the background. Wats ur game about tho? It looks very interesting in a sort of unhinged way.

My mark-making is irredeemable in IRL, but I can grind out decent portraits on MS Paint of all things.

>>7167898
/beg/ here. Why isn't your video feed working?

>>7169831
Do draw a box first couple of lessons. They are all about line accuracy and confidence

How do I get my accuracy up as a /beg/?<br>I don't just mean drawing straight lines.

>>7169483
Sexy twink boar, would
>>7169512
Nice rendering
>>7169577
Hope you stick around
>>7169590
Amen
>>7169592
Pareidolia
>>7169599
Soul GMI
>>7169606
The interdimensional-cybernetic-time-tr<wbr>avelling-eldritch maid will finally have hands
>>7169640
Square-smiley-face emoticon today
>>7169649
If your fetish for it is strong enough, then yes
>>7169667
It’s alright, just gotta keep drawing
>>7169669
Very purty
>>7169695
Amen
>>7169737
These paintovers are legit
>>7169738
Chaotic neutral compliment
>>7169742
GMI
>>7169749
Nice
>>7169768
More mileage
>>7169815
Soul
>>7169838
Soul

>>7169778
jelly of what, you getting fucked in the ass like a homofag?
I'm green with envy fr fr

Drawing every day until I stop being mediocre shit #3.
FELL ASLEEP AND DIDNT DRAW SHIT.

THANK GOD ITS FRIDAY AND TIME TO FUCK SHIT UP.

A FELLOW STRUGGLER (VASTLY MORE SKILLED THAN ME) RECOMMENDED ME RINOTUNA. I SHALL LEARN AND TRY HARDER WITH THE WEEKEND AS MY BASTION OF HOPE.

>>7169869
>>7169873
sort out your fucking heads already.

>>7169883
Huh?
>>7169043
>you should give yourself credit for drawing at all between balancing a job
PUSSY TALK. I WONT PAT MYSELF ON THE BACK FOR BEING SO MEDIOCRE.
>A-a-at least you are trying
NO!

>>7167973
I LOVE U REDBLOBFAG.

>>7169883
Not that anon.
Sorting heads is hard, because you can't decide your favorite.

>>7169897
Wrong. Features dont make the head.

>>7169869
are you going for this kind of design?
it might be worth it to do a couple of 1:1 copies to fix proportion/shape issues

>>7169903
op is the proof. Been doing literally the same shit for months and months. Slapping on features randomly without any kind thought of the underlying structure.

>>7169386
Holy shit what a sad, nihilistic, pathetic take. I'm really sorry you're able to feel no joy.

>>7169590
Sucking on goblin tits might be the only thing could cure my depression at this point

>>7169647
I would just lose the soft edges, they clash with the rest of the picture, create unnecessary contrast. Just repaint the photo background, would look great

>>7169659
Funny you mention because I noticed it right after posting and got rid of the image from my folder.
It does look good tho

honest opinion about DAB? Is it just a meme? is books like KTD better for truebegs?

>>7169927
>honest opinion about DAB?
it useful
>is books like KTD better for truebegs?
yes
In most cases, dab is not for beg. It is my opinion

>>7169906
I dont see your redline crabby boy.
>>7169386
Jerking off and gooning has no value but I still goon myself to sleep.

>>7169364
>most people should leave these threads and not litter them with their garbage
Sometimes I come here to see the work of the new /beg/s and there are some that are worth giving advice because, as someone with experience, you can clearly see the potential, it just needs to be polished. Unfortunately, those /beg/s only post here rarely. And like you said, it's probably only less than 10.

As for the rest, I don't really see the need to give them any more advice because I've done it in the past and yet the progress they've made has been zero. And it hurts to say it, but you're right. Maybe those people should stop drawing and abandon this thread on their own when they realize they're really bad at drawing.

I don't know how to explain it, but even if it's a poorly drawn drawing you can really see the passion that person put into the drawing. But here, apart from just a few /beg/s, I don't see that passion anywhere, it's as if these people only draw for the sake of drawing, without motivation or passion behind them.

i never get criticism, at this point i just post drawings to make others feel bad

>>7169960
Post the list of /beg/s with potential.

>>7169961
Show me your drawing I don't understand how it could make some one feel bad

>>7169969
i don't even have to, check this out. I trace AI and shit all over profesional cartoonists.

There are no american artists

>>7169979
Can you trace Blooregard Q Kazoo whit a burger king crown drinking a monster while facing Skyla dressing as Pomni, both of them giving thumbs up, the background must be the Wailing walls from Saint Seiya's Hades Saga with a graffiti saying Genji was here?

>>7169987
Doodles? not into them sorry, waste of time.

>>7169965
You know who they are, anon. Is as clear as water. Is actually pretty easy to tell the GMI from the NGMI.

>>7169966
I might as well be, years of teaching might have burned my brain. Don't mind my rambling, maybe I'm senile.

>>7169979
post something or your full of shit

>>7170007
damn that is a classic AOM style iam amazed no one calls you out on your bullshit

>>7170008
>>7170007
ah i was hoping to see something more impressive or original other then AOM's default ai style.

>>7170007
Actually I want to see who falls for this. Got any posts ? should be funny. I simply refuse anyone could fall for this.....

>>7170008
Because no one gives a shit. The industry been photoshoping faces, bodies and backgrounds into drawings since forever now , japs are the only country in the world that kept drawing. AI just makes the process even faster an dare i say.... they look like 10 times more soulful. Just browse Artstation for like 5 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxt<wbr>7C8VrHnk

>>7170008
>amazed no one calls you out on your bullshit
He bullshiting you right here and you fall for it.
Amazing

>>7170029
not really,Plenty of people are happy to pay for trash

>>7170031
i thought the whole point was to make it, not to have fun with it. Which one is it.

If only 10 people from /beg/ are going to make it why even bother? You will take the AI pill sooner or later.

>>7170029
You said you post here to make people feel bad. because you trace ai. And this is ai trace you did. of kind you post here that makes people feel bad.
does Patreon says something about it?

>>7170046
no, this is a AI trace i did. 5-10 minutes.

>>7170052
show me your full power anon come on! give me your best trace !

>>7170059
What do you mean? the linework is already good enough to paint, it just needs some really minor adjustments.

>>7170061
Oh, I remember your work.
I really like your style. have you followed any books to practice faces?

>>7170061
KEK what is the content here. Is griffith making her orgasm by showing off his gaming card skills ?

>>7170066
No books
>>7170068
Some weird aco request that I found funny. You’re pretty much spot on lmao

>>7170073
any learning material you can recommend a beg? I wanna do stuff like yours.

>>7170077
For beg? I guess Will Weston is where'd I'd start. He has pretty comprehensive stuff about everything.
But I know anons in ic already says similar stuff. I'd just start with that. Houston, Vilppu, Gnass. All that good stuff idk

We're getting somewhere. Fucked up on the lower leg; didn't give it enough room on the canvas.

>ktd on the step where you have to draw a complex mechanical
>already try two times
>its fcking hard af and boring
This is it? Did i just hit the wall completly? I just want to draw cute girls

Im still a beg but I want to get more into portraits.
Can I get some directions?
I doodled this today.

Well after skipping a day I was able to come back with this.

Decided I'll try to work on doing torsos for a bit. I was feeling less confident yesterday and earlier today, but after this I feel more confident all of a sudden...even though it doesn't look great and is full of issues.

>>7169783
it's a visual novel. Im making it for a class, since the final project was a multi media kinda thing meaning you could do whatever as long as it presented an argument of some sort. my argument is "everything will be alright" and im basically just using the girl character to be the optimistic opposite of the player character who's more nihilistic. pretty much they just go on a walk to a store to find food to feed a stray cat and she talks to you and tries making you realized things aren't all so bad. script still in progress, but im glad you were interested.

Had to cruch the fuck outta this to get it to post. full size here:
> https://files.catbox.moe/879o5g.png<wbr>
Thoughts? Anything I could do to improve? This was a comission I did for a friend of their skyrim character.
>>7170169
You've certainly got promise. I would reccomend looking into getting more of a grasp on how the arm works/bends. It will take some time, but you're clearly putting effort in to be better!
>>7169449
wtf flip him back over :(


How and why do bad artists manage to get published?

>>7167942
Because a bad artist is still an artist which creates content while you complain.

>>7167946
That doesn't answer OP's question, though. You can have any artist that makes bad drawings. The question is why some get commercialized anyway whereas others end up sitting in dust.

>>7167942
I wouldn't even allow myself to draw this. I would have started over and tried to do better with the construction.
So my only explanation is you have to be a bad artist AND you have to have no drive to improve, so your drawings are honest and aren't trying to be more than they are. When I draw, every line is pure agony and I'm terrified of doing things wrong, because my entire life is me getting beat down every time I make one wrong move. If you are rewarded for everything you do, you will be confident so even if your art sucks, it will have soul.

>>7167942
Because comics are ultimately judged by their story, the art being good is just a nice extra.
Also, I believe one punch man was just a web-comic, it was redrawn by a very talented artist to become a commercial product, no?

>>7167942
Japanese. He's not a bad artist.

Pic not related? That's a self published web comic

>>7167959
because they focus on drawing and publishing content. While retards like you are too busy bitching on a basket weaving forum and not even drawing.

>>7167967
>I wouldn't even allow myself to draw this. I would have started over and tried to do better with the construction.
Pussy coping under the guise of perfectionism and "improvement"
Fpbp honestly. Good writing is the most important thing followed by good visuals, but any published work is infinitely better than whatever imagined potential work you only dream of.
Studio Ghibli movies fucking suck for example. Nobody gives a shit past the first two that has good writing, the rest are forgettable visual popcorn that you'll find zero fans of.

It's a web manga, he self published it, at least at first

>>7167942
bad is bad but style is style. Even if YOU tried to draw that it wouldnt be that level of bad, you would never be able to replicate it. it does have some value in that it has its own charm. if you tried to draw a bad comic it would look bad in its own way.

>>7167969
Yes, the print version is redrawn by a pro, still the only reason there's a redrawn version is because the original was successful, and while it is true that stories carry comics more than art, no one's going to check out your webcomic if it looks like ass unless someone recommended it first, but there won't be that first if it looks like ass. Or at best it stays relatively niche, like Gunnerkrigg Court. OPM got massive somehow, though.

>>7168077
So were pretending the art of scott pilgrim is bad now?

>>7168159
Are we gonna keep pretending it isn't?

>>7167942
>why do bad artists manage to get published?
Because believe it or not, comics are visual storytelling and not just art.

>>7167942
One Punch Man was successful because it's bad art emphasized it's comedic tone. Without Yusuke Murata it would've likely never gotten an animation adaptation.

>>7168171
>>7168262
>itt bitter begs and nodraws who dont make anything ankle-biting people who make things

>>7168159
>>7168262
It is not but to humor you I'll ask why is it that you consider it bad what aspects of it is it doing wrong

>>7167942
That wasn't published.

>>7167959
Because the editor the author approached believed their work could sell (for any number of reasons, yes despite whatever flaws there may be -- they're publishing comics, not artbooks, artistic excellence is not a necessity), and the person in charge of the content of the publication agrees. And then if it does end up selling (it often doesn't, you just don't remember all the failures) then they continue publisher the author's work and you eventually discover and seethe about it.

>>7168171
Learn to draw before you start through stones in your glass house.

>>7167942
>why do bad artists manage to get published?
Picrel is the first anime that Makoto Shinkai did. He animated the whole thing by himself and became famous from it because of its emotional story (like every movie he made) he's the guy that did "Your Name" and other sob animu flicks.
He made people cry, even with that terrible art and he got enough money and attention from it to produce several hit anime movies.
It's all about the story and characters OP.

>>7168159
>pretending the art of scott pilgrim is bad
His art is atrocious and /beg/ tier. No art fundamentals competence, probably traced manga when he "learned" to draw and every single character looks the same.

>>7168485
>first anime that Makoto Shinkai did
Second*

>>7168159
Its not great. It gets the job done at being a stylistic work meant to tell a grungy teen story, but not great.
If it weren't for the movie it would have been a mediocre success at best. The writer himself admits to this, and frankly I can see why.

>>7168267
point out the loomis in these drawings

>>7168077
>>7168497

>>7168171
>>7168262
>>7168367
>>7168493
>>7168516
Do you guys not remember that his art was highly influential and had many, MANY, imitators during the comic's hey-day? You guys may think it's bad, but obviously that's a very subjective thing that many disagreed with, though I think he suffers severely from 'same face'.
Though I half suspect the shitty 'cal-arts' direction art and animation has gone was because of his art's influence - I have no evidence for this, just a vague suspicion.

>>7167942
one punch man was self-published you fucking moron.

>>7168496
*he was a professional cutscene director for falcom before making his independent movies

Good communication > Good story > Good characters > Good art

>>7168171
>>7168262
>>7168367
>>7168493
>>7168516
>>7168584
>>7168699
>t. constructoids with zero (0) appeal and soul
go 'draw' your math equations while the rest of us are busy signing Netflix- and videogame-deals. LATER SUCKAS!!

>>7168737
Plane chickenpox, scary shit, I was nearly in an accident because of it.

>>7168716
>>7168734
With all due respect, there are a couple different examples of media with lack luster artstyles that continue to inspire artists for several decades. One in particular that comes to mind is southpark. For whatever reason, people continue to draw the same forward facing, round headed, oval eyed figures. If i were to guess, its because its simply easy to draw with only a hint of appeal. But i think its more of the attatchment to the show and its characters, then to the style, at least in some sense. The show's style is crude and not meant to be an artistic masterpiece. My arguement, as well as some of the rest, is that the art is not the major contributor to the success of the scott pilrim series. As i stated before, people only started to care about it, AFTER the movie.

>>7167942
You can talk shit about the OPM webcomic all you want, but it was full of moments that somehow made reading through it all worth it. All while the visually-much-better Manga version just feels like a generic shonenshit.

>>7168493
Fundiefag blown out by some bisexual HAPA who just draws

>>7168493
>every single character looks the same.
This is just flat out not true and now genuinely has me questioning how many of you that criticize it have actually read it with how repeatedly that gets said
>No art fundamentals
This is also not true atleast not completely, but the nature of the art style doesn't need it to strictly follow those rules. Saying this is like looking at the power puff girls and going "you know this show is good but I just cant get behind how the artist dont know how to construct a proper face". This hard adherance to fundies without any regards to how it affects the art direction of your work is why so many western stuff especially comics looks like like shit
>noooo you cant do that cool pose legs dont work like that
>nooo that cool shots awful the perspective is slightly off
>the lighting cant work like that regardless of the mood it tries to set its just not realistic
That's how all you sound. The mentality of a mentally stunted child who doesn't know how to suspend their disbelief

>>7167942
The bad art adds to the humor. Also ONE self published this on pixiv originally

>>7168716
>Do you guys not remember that his art was highly influential and had many, MANY, imitators during the comic's hey-day?
So does Steven Universe. Am I supposed to pretend that Rebecca Sugar's art isn't still low /int/-tier at best?

>>7169204
what do you consider pro level artwork in regards to comics and cartoons then?

>>7169224
"Pro level" is a worthless term. You can be a mediocre artist and still be a professional in the animation/comic industry. Read Loomis and/or Bridgman once and be able to meet a deadline and you're automatically at "pro level."

>>7169232
I don't mean literally I mean what do regard as an example of high level skill in regards to cartoons and comics

>>7167942
if its interesting it will have a fan base. Ranking of Kings is another good example that isn't a comedy, which is usually easier to connect to an audience with.

>>7169232
This.
Jazza is considered a professional

>>7169204
https://youtu.be/Tgue81LVZ4E?si=cS_<wbr>K01ank6KHw5lb

Rebecca Sugar is pro, dumb faggot

>>7172394
That narcissist retard cannot draw on model to saver her life.

The most important part of a manga, or any comic really, is the story being told. A manga with godly art and shit plot is a bad manga. A manga with shit art and a godly plot is a good manga. Of course, you want to aim for good art and good plot, but the plot itself is what's most important.

The One-Punch Man webcomic made me wonder why there's no americans who have accomplished the same thing, then I remembered the dozen or so internet cartoonists who make absolute bank of just shitting out hundreds of 4 panel comics every year that all tackle some kind of relatable subject matter.


What is the thing that you know is a bad habit of yours when drawing but you dont wanna change it for whatever reason?

I draw with my wrists almost exclusively, so most of my drawings are smaller than my hands, so if I try to draw big pieces I just feel uncomfortable at how empty everything feels.

I don't draw when I don't want to. "But muh discipline, you gotta show up, draw at least a line daily, following your brain impulses is le heckin' bad for you" man shut the fuck up

i leave a lot of drafting lines im too lazy to clean up

>>7167793
Im not sure I have a bad habit I want to retain. I've played certain improvment oriented games in the past and have learned that to be prideful over a bad habit is a sin and always in bad faith if you wish to improve.

>>7167793
never decide on what im going to be doing for every drawing session, ie not deciding if im practicing, studying or actually making a piece so i end up not gaining much other than just putting lines on a page, not really a habit i want to keep, i just cant decide which is what i need the mosttpgtg

>>7167793
I draw from imagination too much, and then I spend hours trying to fix a faulty looking hand or leg because I'm too lazy to find a reference that matches the pose and angle I'm going for, and in the end it looks shit and I hate my drawing. So then I start using references and then I rely on references too much, and any time I try to deviate from the reference so that I can only "loosely" reference it and create something of my own, it's back to drawing that part from imagination, which ends up looking shit.

>>7167793
Browsing 4chan instead of drawing

I don't use layers correctly. I know I should learn how but I can't be bothered.

>>7167793
>drawing
>get stuck
>...
>'bahhhh, you get the idea'
for someone who claims he draws, there sure isnt much to show for it and that kinda gets me down.
also drawing on loose paper. makes it reeeaal easy to just up and throw a drawing away and "move on" to the next thing that excites me.
i tell myself theres freedom in spontaneity, but really i think im just lazy

>>7169207
what is correctly? asking for a friend.

>>7167793
I gave up learning perspective.
I draw BGs but I no longer give a fuck if it's correct or not

waisting time through a combination of practically never finishing anything, >>7169154, and not doing any technical exercises

I watch videos while drawing, slowing me down to a crawl <br>I'm not even sure how much I actually draw per week but it can't be much

>>7167793
every time I try to draw a tree it looks like a piece of shit instead

>>7167793
Same problem ma boy, luckily I can zooooom out on CSP.


How much thought should go into branding?

>>7168058
erf, I meant
> This much

but y'all forgive me

>>7167753
A lot, because that's how people are going to recognize you. That's why banding can be very good money.

>>7168058
>>7168059
Took a design class, my professor helped develop the concept of email on a visual design level. He spoke on how this most likely was a sham and they most likely had the redesign first then tried to intellectualize it for justification
I sorta agree with him, but sorta don't. But I'm now skeptical of this

>>7168103
Most of the 'justifications' or meaning behind a logo strikes me as a shame. Just say it's a good picture! Logos are essentially just the equivalent to a player avatar portrait in a videogame, they're not deep.
Nobody is looking at the McDonalds logo and thinking about how the M represents a bridge helping close the divide between people or some shit.
Though I can understand WHY they do this, big corpos need to pretend they're not shallow money grubs, and thus wants a 'deep' important logo.


congrats, you just started the very first /clay/ thread.

>>7168331
Oh fuck off you stupid twitter cunt. I was gonna post something because I love clay art but you just have to desecrate even the most pure things with your awful zoomer phrases


What is the most efficient way to practice? What is the fastest way to improve?

We ought to have this discussion more often, but /ic/ always chimps out when people ask actual, art related questions.

>>7168279
memory drawing/iterative drawing/blind copies/cognitive drawing whatever fucking buzzword you wanna call it
it's the fastest way to improve but will also turn your brain and willpower into a slurry really quickly so most ppl get filtered unless they get used to it

>>7168279
Learn the materials by hand making them and then copy previous masters work until you are given permission to work from life.

>>7168279
I'll give you a hint, it has four letters, it starts with D and ends with W.

>>7168282
true, but if you keep it up for 50 years for 14 hours a day you can become Kim Jung Gi

>>7168279
>What is the most efficient way to practice?
Drawing.
>What is the fastest way to improve?
Drawing

Only people chimping out are howies who refuse to practice.
There is no sacred knowledge. This isn't theology, this isn't theoretical science. This is a sport and all that matters is how many reps you do.

>>7168279
>We ought to have this discussion more often
we have this discussion probably 20 times a week

>>7168437
I know you think you sound cool saying this, but even in sports science, certain ways of practicing makes you improve faster. Even a "dumb" sport like powerlifting has it's giants. Look into Louie Simmon's innovations at Westside Barbell, how he got his group of lifters to surpass the rest of the world with record after record.

Your post is not only ignorant about drawing, it's also ignorant and dismissive of the amount of thought and care that goes into sports science and the thought that coaches put into their team's training. The people I said who "chimped out" about actual art questions are people like you.

>>7168470
Spencer Rattler was made in a lab. He was drafter 150th.

Six other QBs were drafted top 15 including two of the oldest QBs to be drafted in history and a guy who barely threw the ball.

Just fucking draw. You are not good enough for the order of the factors to alter the product.

>>7168470
> sports "science"

That's a fake ass degree. Iirc there was a ballet study that showed the best students at a dance academy were sorted by how many hours they put into practice. There are exceptions ofc but they just prove the rule.

>>7168482
The scientists also consistently misidentify talent, then blame "x factors" when truth is they're just a bunch of nerds who don't know what it is to have a burning heart.

>>7168502
So true. I like how every art book and pro says the same thing too.

>pick a drawing you like for some specific reason (e.g. good rendering, arms, design, etc)
>copy it as best you can
>draw it again blind

Focused studies using a roughly equal mix of reference drawing and imaginative drawing, with a dash of spaced recall.

>>7168282
>>7168515
>>7168537
damn memory drawings really took hold on /ic/. the future is bright

>BRO JUST DRAW
Okay but draw what, every time I just draw I get a million people saying I gotta do KTD/Loomis first

>>7168548
just another one in the long series of memes /ic/ likes to latch on for a while (accuracy, perspective, etc)
not that any one of them is wrong, it's simply that you still need to just draw

>>7168850
KTD is literally 200 pages of "just draw bro" while teaching you how to just draw accurately

>>7168279
>What is the most efficient way to practice?
Keeping your studies both goal oriented and entertaining.

>What is the fastest way to improve?
Not worrying about it and focusing on achievable milestones instead. Being bold enough to embrace mistakes and mindful enough not to repeat them. Draw every day, but never let it become a chore. Repetition is not making you improve faster and the death of artistic improvement. Explore the canvas instead. Thirst for knowledge, both by your own experimentation and seeking out the advice of your elders. Drawing is equal parts observing and understanding, but it's also patience. Rushing it is against all principles. Rid yourself of the burden to become good fast. Rid yourself of shallow wants and expectations. Embrace art not tomorrow, but today and become one with the canvas. Enjoy the process and thrive. That is how you get good fast.

>>7168907
You sound like my cooky uncle.

>>7168875
Yeah and I've been "just drawing" from it with zero fucking improvement

>>7168857
It's thesis, then antithesis, then synthesis.

Memory Drawing is the meme that overcame all other memes. It's better, because of evolution and natural selection

>>7168979
>X is the meme that overcame all other memes
and like all others before it, it will get replaced once a new shiny method comes along in a few months
X method works if you draw
none work if you don't

>>7168279
learn/study, set aside time to learn how to do the thing you want to do
practice whatever it is youre studying by itself
apply the things you studied into your own projects whether it be from imagination or drawing from life
expirement throughout the entire process, make mistakes and figure out why it looks bad, try to correct or try something new or a different approach
rinse repeat

>>7168301
>>7168437
>>7168462
>What's the most effective way to learn?
>Just study bro LMAO
>What's the most effective way to gain muscle?
>Just workout bro LMAO
You people are so fucking retarded it is unbelievable

>>7168279
i think it vastly changes depending on your skill threshold. from high int to pro and beyond i don't see any other way except for "master" studies.

>>7168279
There is no one answer that will work for everyone. It really depends on what you wanted to do, but if you have any specific goals, you wouldn't be asking vague question like that. Also, we have discussion like this every day, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say we dont have enough. I tried interrogate others who ask similar questions, but they can never provide me with a specific answer on what they are trying to accomplish, often times, I couldn't tease out what their aesthetic preference, they have no personal interest or hobbies, not part of any fandoms that could motivate them to create , have nothing they want to express or say with their art, just a general internal void but wanted to appear sophisticated, but when I suggest what can be done they are incapable of implementing my processes because they lack the foundational knowledge to understand what I was talking about, and when I tried to share those knowledge they are not particularly interested in listening or taking my criticism on board, because it is too slow or too boring. For people like you that isn't self motivated, lack preference, and have no goals, you won't get anywhere with vague question like that. What you need is an education and someone putting a gun to your head and make sure you draw.

>>7168279
All methods work if you draw.
No method works if you don't draw.
JUST FUCKING DRAW.

>>7168979
>>7168548
>>7168282
Drawing from memory has its place as a fundamental. But it's kind of ridiculous to literally try to draw everything from reference and immediately try to draw from memory. Sometimes simple accuracy drawings are just as important as memory recall ones.
Not everyone can be the next Kim Jung Gi

>>7170312
it's an int level exercise imo, drawing something you don't understand from memory and haven't processed through the fundamentals is pretty useless.

>>7168279
I'll make it simple

Pick a subject, characters humans lighting backgrounds objects, a type of texture, whatever just pick something you want to be able to draw

step 2: find photo reference

step 3: create accurate copies

Step 4(optional) : find people who's art style or stylistic choices you enjoy regarding the same subject.and keep a mood board of their drawings next to yours (You can also do master studies but it would be better to create you own piece with the mood board reference on the side)

Repeat for every aspect of art, linework, shapes, colors, animation, paneling, flourishes, objects, people, expressions, design etc etc

Practice until you are satisfied, eventually you'll improve your eye and see your past work as not up to standard

Continue to make new FULL/finished pieces. practice is one thing but if it's not in service of creating art, a million studies is worthless in my eyes. You should draw towards a goal of making the things you want to see. Waiting to "get good enough to start" will never happen, just start and refine. You'll practice best by doing.

>>7170337
Drawing something you don't know and then studying reference as a spot the differences game is the most effective way to beat the brain's ego preservation system.

If you can draw a circle you can do the shrimp exercise.


I'm taking a figure drawing class next semester where I'll be looking at real life naked women.

>>7168290
>real life naked women
Real artists don't care about sex we only care about the beauty and flow of the human form.

>>7168294
I know it'll probably mostly be ugly old and/or fat people but I'm sure they will be at least a few attractive women

>>7168290
Make us proud anon. /ic/ represent

I took 3 figure drawing classes in college and all the female models were fat. All of them. Thin cuties stay away from those classes because they know coomers take them.

>>7168306
I wouldn't find drawing some grotesque human forms but I wouldn't find that arousing

The boomer art instructor at my atelier only hired hot chicks it was the best never missed a class

Why would you want a boner in the middle of class

it gets boring honestly<br>yeah you might get a hottie or whatever but it gets old after a while

>>7168290
My school had four figure drawing groups each semester, I had a gorgeous tiny pixie girl and a hot chick from the volleyball team as models.
I only found out a couple semesters later when doing some extra credits work with the program manager that he made sure to give the best instructor and hot models to the most attractive and well-adjusted students.

The other groups had old, weird and fat models. Including a legless dude who'd constantly leak smegma.

weird situation in a figure drawing class i took, one of the models was the girlfriend of a guy I knew. I did not know her well, when I hung out with this guy she usually was not there and when she was there she was quiet and didnt say much but she was cute. When I saw her nude I was surprised, she had a great body and these nice torpedo tits with upswept nipples. Never would have guessed it, she dressed like a guy when we hung out. I had no idea she was going to be a model in the class, she had no idea I was taking the class.<br>Made it weird taking to my buddy after that, I'm sure he knew I saw her completely naked, I'm sure she told him, but it was never brought up, even when she was with us when we hung out after that. Like they made a decision to completely avoid talking about it around me, I m sure of it. But we would be playing video games or watching a movie and she would be talking about somthing so I would just look at her and think "She has great tits, I know what her nipples and vagina look like". I just kept thinking about it. I dont hang out with the guy anymore, but sometimes when I draw a sexy female character, I draw tits on the character exactly like the hers.

>>7168790
you probably could've hit, wasted opportunity.