What is it about AI art that isn't quite right? Even with the very best ones that get made you can tell by looking more than two seconds that something's wrong but what exactly is it? I was talking to someone about this today but couldn't quite put it into words. It's something to do with the curving around edges of objects but there's more to it.

Simply the overrenderedness yet not photographic; there's no impression, soulless.

The irises are also always distorted.

>>7165569
AI is not intelligent. It doesn't know what it's doing. It doesn't know what painting is. It doesn't know line from form, figure from background.

If it can produce any coherent images at all is not thanks to it's code, but thanks to the army of autists tagging shit in boorus and aggregators.

sage

Don't tell them its flaws and weaknesses, they're gonna make fixes/improvements for that aspect in newer releases. Don't help the AI fags. Don't bump the thread further.

Anonymous

>>7165578
Something about how it's rendered, yeah. And the irises are kind of off which I hadn't noticed.
>>7165581
That's all well and good but i'm talking about specifically why it doesn't look right.

>>7165569
Why would someone who can draw photorealistic fuck up the most basic part of the image or even waste their time on something so soulless.

>>7165569
most tranining data is not changed in terms of focus point in an image. almost all finished works, photos, paintings and drawings will generally have more details in the center than on the border. The AI has internalized this safety margin and thats one visual giveaway imo

also it seems to me, that the AI starts from symmetries and then breaks existing symmetries to add details. Whereas humans try to approach symmetry as good as possible and the "error" can be understood as the artists handwriting.

>>7165569
uncanny valley but on steroids. a beg will fuck up big in a few places, ai will fuck up discreetly in a million places.

>>7165569
>What is it about AI art that isn't quite right?
I'm not concerned with whether AI can pass as the real thing or human-made. What I am concerned with, and I'm saying this as someone who has never used AI, is that it seems it would be very difficult to "push" drawings and paintings in specific ways that make certain artists unique because of how it works. AI images are produced largely by averaging data sets. If the data set is too small, then it won't be able to produce many images with specificity. If it's too large, you run into the averaging problem, where the extremes get buffed out. To put it simply, it's the most common complaint about AI - there's no personality behind it.
The AI folks will say "AI can do different styles," but even those are the most generic and average interpretation of that style based on what I've seen. Most of it looks okay. Some of it is even beautiful. But I haven't seen one that makes artistic choices that would be divisive. One might even say that AI art is committee art by design.
This can't be solved simply by introducing randomness. It would have to be controlled errors, which is a bit paradoxical. That's sort of what "intent" is, and I don't think AI is anywhere close to that yet. I don't even need AI art to look human. It would be even more fascinating to see a kind of "robotic intent" emerge that is unique from our own, and more importantly, unique between AIs.

>>7165701
you have the right intuition

> But I haven't seen one that makes artistic choices that would be divisive
It's because the edginess gets fine tuned out of every system to be as conformist and PC as possible. This are deliberate actions from the AI companies. They dont want their gens to get them sued.

the real problem is that the uneducated, uncultured masses are adjusting their taste to conform to AI output instead of wanting to adjust AIs to conform to their taste. AI companies are ofc happy about all the sheeps with a generic taste they can sell their slop to, and have no incentive to really empower an AIs creative aspect. It's the opposite actually, they try to make an AI that is conformist as possible and as creative as necessary

shit should be boycotted and sabotaged all the way

It's like AI with games. It played a legal game of chess but lost, Then played competitive with good players. Then it beat the best. Now it competes against other AI systems. Chess is not solved, like checkers. AI won't "solve" art, but it's getting much better.

>/beg/ asking why their painting doesn't look good

>>7165569
selection bias, you only register the ones that you can tell are ai at a glance. for example picrel is all ai, but not every one of them can be registered as such at a glance.

>>7165845
Some of them are so boring that you cant tell. The ones that try to be more involved are the ones where it's most obvious.

>>7165845
I was about to say something to this effect. I actually had wanted to agree with OP - because there's so much obvious slop out there - but then I looked through my sloppa folder of pieces I thought were relatively "good." I had literally only viewed most of these once at the time of saving, but reviewing them, frankly a lot of them might fool me today.
This looks like some Houtengeki/Ishikei crap. I'm sure some fag will ackchually me, but genuinely, if you're scanning for errors, you might be tricked. Especially if you cropped it to one girl - AI seems to suck at patterns and repetition. It's as if it "oversamples" patterns, if that makes sense, it's usually too uniform and perfect, where humans unavoidably tend towards imperfection. When there's minimal background or characters it tends to be more convincing. Probably why AI ero/hentai looks the best, it's often few characters on a blank or simple background.

>>7165871
if you're not* scanning for errors

>>7165845
good point but I'm not fully on board

first, reproducing art that is already "artifical" or mostly stylized like anime, abstract art and illustration will have less variance, because shapes and composition doesnt vary as much as in photographs, or hyperrealism. but that also means you cant prompt the variety of details you can with photographs. e.g. its easy to make something seem to be coated in oil or honey when gening photos but I'm pretty sure its harder for anime

second, you were wise to post a small image, I say if we would be able to zoom into the photo gens, we would most likely find small visual oddities which could never happen in nature (the sidewalk in the first image looks sus, also the text on the bus is completely unreadable)

I still think most humans are born with the ability to spot uncanniness and therefore AI art, but maybe only if you make them aware of the possibility first.

>>7165569
the lifeless expression in every fucking AI pic, perhaps?

>>7165587
>That's all well and good but i'm talking about specifically why it doesn't look right.
Because it doesn't know what it's doing.
Simple as.
It can't correct it's mistakes because it doesn't know they're mistakes.
And it likely never will know because it'd require a level of contectual awareness that would be much more useful solving the world economy and managing every resource distribution system than drawing porn for losers.

>>7165845
Only thing there that doesn't immediately scream AI is the cat and maybe the skull.

>>7166035
flowers make no sense on the skull, petals, no petals, floating stem etc.

also im starting to sage bc there really are enough ai threads

image gen is is to porn as Art is to sex.

It satisfies the surface level urge (busting a nut/having a pretty picture) but it achieves none of the actual human needs the thing is meant to satisfy.

A proompter calling himself an artist is like a gooner calling himself a ladykiller, and everyone implicitly recognizes how silly that is.

what's with pajeets constantly trying to validate their retarded decision to use the sloppa machine?

>>7165845
>but not every one of them can be registered as such at a glance.
Sure, but those that can are hideous, and those that can't tend to be dull or awkward.

>Indians running through rain
Gross looking, obviously AI
>Girl With bike
Not immediately obviously AI, but dull, with clashing art styles
>Fox
Poorly made, regardless of whether it was AI
>Horny girl with her visible cleavage
There are small mistakes that obviously make this AI (the cleavage going beyond the breasts, the weird clavicle details), but it's just bland coom baiting, and leaves no impression.
>Skull with flowers
The flowers look odd if you really inspect them, but honestly? This image is alright. It gets a pass.
>Open Mouth
Very Rocky Horror, the horizontal lines on the lips look a little odd, but again, I like this image. The tongue should be red too though honestly, but this is usable.
>Water Dragon
Honestly feels like very dull concept art. The dragon and the dude's robe is turning into the water, the sword is being held oddly, what is he standing on, where does the start surfacing from the water, etc.
Hard to tell if it's AI, but it's just a shit image, even if it looks well rendered.
>Girl showing us her ass
Again, just a boring anime coomer pic. Her underwear feels off though, as if it's part of her body, rather than clothes. Also her hair apparently defies gravity, and is acting like a helmet
>Flowers in glass
Not a bad image... for a stock image.
>Perfume bottle
Not bad either, though it feels as though the glass bottle is floating, despite the reflection grounding it, and the bottom left seems empty.
>Woman
Stock image. Boring
>Cat
A lot of annoying little mistakes. The eyes really feel as though it should be white and red, not yellow and red; the red behind the ear looks bad; the random patterns on the cat don't gel well, going in random direction and not matching any sort of gird; the whiskers are all over the place; the dots of the whisker pours and in the bg aren't circles

>>7166525
cont.
Ultimately, the only good ones were some photographic ones, the illustrative ones are boring at best, or have annoying mistakes all over, even if they're well rendered.

- Her eyes are awful
-The face is too symmetric and unnatural looking
-That water dragon ai art is actually a bad version of someone's art, I have definitely seen it on artstation or possibly CGHub long before AI but I don't know who made it.

>>7165569
Is this foid trying to take a shit?
Sorry but this is what comes to mind when I see it

>>7165569
hand-drawn art will always have a type of soul that ai art will never have just due to the fact a human was directly involved in it's creation (typing a prompt doesnt count)
i do think ai art has a soul of its own though its just very different than hand-drawn
I can't explain it beyond that, humans have a soul and ai only knows how to shit out what its seen, it doesnt really truly know how to create
someone else probably put it into words better than me

>>7166525
Why did you bother to write all this, it's completely besides the point.

>>7167601
Why did you bother making this post? It's completely besides the point.

Cope, at this point AI art is just limited by how good the prompter is

>>7168828
AI art nowadays is just limited by how good the LORA data set that they can STOLE from the actual artist is, as the example you've shown its style is straight up stolen from Korean artist named Jeonghee. Basically your stupid machine require good artist to be able to vomit mediocre slop.

>>7168828
>AI art is just limited by how good the prompter is
now that's some cope.

>>7168828
>Nah-Uh, AI art is actually super good and undetectable
Sounds like cope to me, fuck-o
And try to show us an image that isn't some random who on twitter, responding to an incredibly dull anime AI image.

>>7168828
as soon as you look away from the face there are tons of things that scream ai (right elbow lmao, desaturation of the left arm, wobbly left arm, ai cloth rendering, ai cloth rendering that doesn't match the rest of the figure, etc.). the speculars on the tits and right arm are another giveaway, the style is consistently ai looking and not natural for artists to render with. over a gallery where they all look the same, the ai will jump out even further

>>7168880
>LORA data set that they can STOLE from the actual artist
>Muh art theft!
Nobody cares, and if you fail to see the irony behind your post it just goes to show you're not at "actual" artist yourself.

>>7168880
Nobody knows that artist and the average social media user doesn't care. The artstyle is too generic. They will look at it for less than a seconde and move on.

>>7168938
>>7168884
Go on /g/ and check out the stable diffusion threads. The quality of stuff posted there varies by an extreme amount, since just like with art newbies aren't as used to how the systems work. The people who do know how it works are able to make some really great stuff, and like always, its only improving with time.

>>7168967
what irony, retard?
if youre going to suddenly claim software has human rights of competition save the energy and kill yourself instead

>>7169771
The vast majority of it was pure shit, and I say that as someone who is open to AI. There are some good ones (picrel), but I find they're the ones that don't try to look human-made.
The big issue, as I had said earlier in the thread, is that AI images are just kind of boring. It's (usually) Anime characters in undynamic poses being 'cute' or 'sexy', and that's if they're not the overly glossy realistic homunculi humans that AI often churns out.

I wish AI image creators would lean into what the AI can do, and make something that's so technically complicated and over the top that no human artist could, or would, create such an image - but they're too busy churning out coom slop and going on /ic/ threads to try and convert people to ever actually make anything that interesting.

>>7169885
>The vast majority of it was pure shit
Wow you just described the experience of opening up /ic/

>>7169985
lol, weak AI faggot, why don't you proompt some thicker skin?

>>7165871
>Probably why AI ero/hentai looks the best
most of the time it absolutely mangles nipples.

>>7168828
it can barely string together concepts, you have trouble tardwrangling it to even make a character eat a sandwich while making a slightly annoyed face. it gets boring even for my porn addled brain


Has drawing with any of your artist friends rubbed off on you?

>>7164720
I don't think so. I haven't seen them in-person in years though

>>7164720
My main problem is with them not feeling the want to draw when we are together.
I guess one draws only ponies and the other is a big beg, but dang, let's just draw together.

i do a drawpile twice a week with a few friends, no idea what you mean by has it rubbed off on me though. seems like I kept improving and they kind of stagnated over time though and the ones that were really good dropped out aeons ago.

>>7164724
dam youre so cool man.
Le heckin epic misanthrope

>>7164720
A little bit, sometimes I would apply or pickup little flourishes by drawing friend's characters on model.

the only other beg artist i know doesn't do (enough) studies and I'm already catching up to him. Feels so fucking good.

>>7164720
No, They don’t invite me to draw with them and No one really cares that I do art. But They mostly make more abstrakt art while I focus on character art mostly.

>>7164720

how do you get artist friends ? is it like catching wild pokémon?

>>7164720
yeah. He was a negative asshole and that rubbed off on me. Good at drawing though

>>7164720
>friends
Posting on /cbsg/ when it was super active really made me improve because the other artists were so good. They were leagues ahead of me but it felt like I was being pulled forward out of pure jealousy.

>>7164720
No.
I have 3 friends irl that draw and every time we draw together it is not productive or fun.

>None of them accept constructive criticism
>"That's just my style" excuse
>"I can't do this prompt, it's too hard"
>It was a horse.
>Bitch couldn't even attempt a horse
>"can we take some of the more complicated prompts out of our art nights?"
>Buildings and nature are the complicated things
>bitch can't even attempt a fucking tree or house

We have all been drawing for 10+ years.
I love them, they are my childhood friends.
As people who claim they "love to draw" they piss me off.

>>7166629
Here's an old horse sketch for you anon. I had two other friends during highschool that really wanted to improve and that was great to be able to crit eachother without anyone being pissy about it even tho we we're kinda beg level besides one of us who could copy really good.

>>7166629
Yeah I couldn't imagine drawing with my normie friends but I've had good experiences drawing with other art students. It's also good for inspiration and motivation because we always feel like catching up to each other.

>>7164720
oh big time. I used to be a massive slow ass with art, and even though I'm still slow as shit, I probably draw ~3x faster than I did before just because of the speed at which my friend draws at. Similarly, I used to take way too long on construction and was really unconfident in creating a figure without fully sketching it first, which I learned to deviate away from since my friend had mainly drawn with the pen only technique before/could work without construction on smaller pieces.

Just drawing on calls with a friend or on whiteboards made a lot of subconscious influences that I'm probably not aware of either.
only downside is that I feel a constant flame under my ass now to improve, which gets worse the more time I spend slacking and not drawing.

Man I wish I could have art friends, but I have trouble trusting others and sharing my interests with them. I'm too protective of my personal space to the point that it becomes unbearable for others. <br>Also I'm not Howie

>>7164720
I don't have any art friends...

ye, it got me into art to begin with. Was like 8 years old, every time we meet up we just draw together. Fast forward 20 years and still doing that from time to time. They didn't improve to much, but it helps to inspire each other. Iscribble used to be a thing for me too where I met short term friends to draw with. Kinda just feels nice to draw in an environment to draw with someone else, rl or online.

>>7167462
Anon If you are willing to make love with me, I might become your friend. The others are fake because they don't ask for anything in exchange. I'm a real friend.

no I haven’t rubbed of on my art friends why would you ask me that

>>7164720
Art friends are literally designed to never allow you to make progress.

>>7164720
i used to have artist friends irl when i was in high school but all of them quit doing art. is it possible to find actual artist friends online?

>>7164888
normies cannot believe it's possible to not have friends
The absolute state

>>7171403
im the farthest thing from a "normie" and even I have like 2 close friends.

>>7171486
Then you're not the farthest thing from a normie.

I'm bad, the couple artists I know have been at it for years, so I don't want to bother them. Friendless...


Honest thoughts on the art style of Kagurabachi?

>>7165607
Someone needs to teach this guy faces. Some anon here made a simple edit and made his anime slop 10x better.

>>7165607
is this a demon slayer knockoff?

>>7165614
shounen is the most cynical shit ever... sorry I mean it's peak fiction, bro cooked, etc.

>>7165614
aside from magic and swords they have nothing in common its closer to chainsaw man if anything '

>>7165614
Naruto, but sauce is the main character.
No demon slayer vibes. The guy who drew karugabachi was inspired by Naruto.

I only read the first chapter but it looked fine to me. The line work is mostly what lets it down, but the rest is more than enough for what it's going for. Kinda feels like a particularly high-effort web manga, but if people find the story compelling then I don't see the issue.

>>7165607
Not as stylish as Kubo but the author definitely has a flare for angles and camera work.

He's certainly one of the best in the magazine (top 10-5) when it comes to fight scenes


Youtube art tutorial channels

Post art channels that actually teach you how to draw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii0<wbr>BiZIykh0

>>7165652
Wish he'd have more homework. Also hi sensei.

>>7165652
How many thousands of floating Loomis heads do I have to grind to get to this level?

Not a tutorial per se but I've been enjoying seeing this channel.<br>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dX<wbr>FqVnkCdA

We need more of this, especially the artists who show their whole process. I'm not talking about the guys who put their stuff behind a paywall.

>>7165652
Not even 2 minutes in: “male and female presenting figures”
Into the bin you go.

>>7165652
Steve Huston has a channel where he teaches the various aspects of figure drawing. They are a longer lecture-style format, but full to the brim with tips and demonstrations. I like his approach of simplifying the figure without losing any of its essential character. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0As<wbr>zp8u6QLs

Not only are the japanese better artists, but also better teachers. They make learning fun and easy to understand.
https://www.youtube.com/@minimaruco<wbr>mic/featured
https://www.youtube.com/@hidechanne<wbr>l2
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamater<wbr>ialsyoutube9454

>>7167486
>japanese better artists
My sides are hurting anon.

>>7165699
Why would you ever grind a body part in isolation past the first few tries to understand the process?

>>7167486
Only the third one is remotely acceptable

>>7165850
i assumed he was talking about femboys kek

>>7165652
>art channels that actually teach you how to draw
>The Drawing Database
It's one of the few channels that actually want you to improve instead of keeping you a /beg/ forever for profit.

>>7168299
He's legit and will answer questions if you email him. Tbh I've gotten the most out of finch so far and everyone else has been a miss.

Id love to find a good channel for watercolor and composition.

>>7167486
Fuck you, the idiot in the image, he spends his time reviewing graphics tablets, he doesn't draw almost shit

>>7168464
I also haven't seen many videos series with draw alongs - they may perhaps all be on twitch. Richard smitheman is a good channel but exclusively does figure drawing, a series where a bunch of people work through Bridgman or a Loomis book would be super useful. In general there are few social channels for art which is kinda a missed opportunity.

>>7167486
You know the difference between Japanese cartoonists and cocksuckers like you, that Japanese artists highly value their country and their industry, unlike you, who dedicate yourself to criticizing and tearing down the West.
You are worse than a crab, you are literally an idiot.

>>7168488
You are literally seething right now

>>7168596
>You are literally seething right now

stop projecting

>>7168611
didn't know that meme was still around on the internet, brings back memories.


The eternal debate. Which side are you on?

>>7165925
either one works fine, just draw
t. has both

I used to envy those with Pen display but after seeing how they complain about bad backs and all, I started to appreciate my 6-year-old tablet more.

I wouldn't buy a pen display when my screen is already much bigger. A screen tablet is too expensive when I can do the same thing with a pen tablet. It's not worth it and will not improve your skills much. Take it if you are rich, I guess

>>7166104
I bought a pen tablet for £90 on eBay. Not really expensive. Though it is 10,1 inches.

Screen display is great to draw curves, it's just more precise as you know where the line will end at, a tablet isn't for everyone, some can draw just fine other's not.

>>7165925
>eternal

So why does it matter?

>>7165925
>be me
>whining about how I can't get used to the screen tablet
>take anons advice and use it as a mouse
>problem solved in only a few hours
KWAB

>>7165925
use pen display for drawing on the go. ideal for people who travel a lot, parents, extroverts, art thots.

use pen tablet for literally everything else.

>>7165925
I have both and use neither (I draw) (I will not post work)

I value my back and neck health so pen tablet

>>7166104
>Oh no the screenless schizo is still here instead of drawing

>>7165925
pen display if you do trad
pen tablet if you dont do trad

>>7165925
Pen display but turning off the screen and using my monitor.

I prefer screenless because of the ergonomics.

I just like looking straight ahead. I draw trad too but I can't do it for as long if I am looking down.

Screenless because my monitor is bigger and it's more ergonomic to draw watching the monitor than the tablet

depend if you are more line focused or painting focused

line and sketch focused >pen display

rest > screenless

>>7165925
Tablet over the summer, display thru winter and autumn

>>7166104
The trick is having your display tablet as upright as possible, negates the poor posture but adds slight elbow discomfort after several hours of work since you're resting on it all day

>>7167675
I don't rest on my elbow because that fucks up my lines. I have my display set almost at the edge of the desk at an 80º angle, no back issues, no neck issues, no elbow issues, huge canvas range for smooth lines that screenless can only cope to match.
I drew screenless for like 3 years, and just the range and accuracy of display tablets made me immediately realize the massive crab that is display users telling art newbies that no display is just as good.

>>7167683
ye that's prolly optimal, I just lack the stamina to, got a chair with nice arm rests that helps alleviate the pressure on my elbow thankfully tho
raw dogging my elbow on the desk for years became annoying

>>7166275
I have to try this
Gotta try playing vidya with that.

I bought a cintiq and tried it for a month before I did something similar to >>7166560 .
My main gripes is that my fat hand is always blocking the view; it's odd since I never care about this when I draw on paper...

tablet<br>I have a pen display but I ended up using it as just a tablet. It makes more sense.

sage

>>7167675
this is how you end up in a wrist splint
i got sick of my screen's pen so i moved back to my tablet and enjoy being able to feel my neck again

Anonymous

i have wacom intuos S. should I upgrade to a medium or can i still make good art with this?

>>7167709
Played one mission in Deep Rock Galactic (haz 3, still hilariously easy despite the tablet).
Aiming was difficult.

>>7165925
>2024 and still arguing about computer slop when we have AI, for free
>digi cuck instead of returning to trad
lol pathetic, your kind is going to commit suicide anytime soon

>>7168937
going larger is usually a worthwhile decision, a large tablet and a large screen beats a mid sized screen tablet to me.

>>7165925
left gives you carpal tunnel. right gives you a hunched back.

>>7165925
for linework pen because handeye coordination is natural
for painting tablet because your hand isnt in the way

>>7165925
Tablet is more comfy + your hand isnt in the way, but you have to accept thats all youll be able to draw on confidently. With displays i can transition between traditional without feeling like i have to rewire my brain again. It's more natural. Overall i vote displays

>>7165925
Traditional. Nothing beats licking and smelling the ink.

Digital? who cares, they are the same thing.


/lsg/ - Loli & Shota General

Last Super Sonic Adventure >>7157214

>New here? Please read best practices.

1. Don't post too revealing works (especially porn). If you think it's too lewd, post a censored copy here and link to Catbox (https://catbox.moe/) or any off-site that hosts images for your works.

2. Keep it to 2D Anime/Cartoon characters only. Do not post child photo references (legal or otherwise), and do not talk about issues regarding real children.

3. It is recommended to let the thread reach page 6-7 before starting a new one. Use archived(moe) or warosu to retrieve the old threads.

>Main resources & FAQ
https://docs.google.com/document/d/<wbr>1eyVOGtou49Y6pqfS6ECeNBp6wBzKj9RD71<wbr>_N1O-d1N4/edit?usp=sharing
>Lolicon Artists Directory & History of Lolicon
https://load.blogs.allthefallen.moe<wbr>/

>>7166082
I appreciate the custom op images

>>7166046
Update your galleries, you lazy baka.

>>7166046
thanks for taking the time to reply, especially since my response is going to be a bit rude... i would follow you in a heartbeat if you were on mastodon but twitter is beyond cancer

still i like your art very much. i hope to make my characters as soulful as yours one day

My style isn't exactly anime, but I think my girls can still be considered lolis.

>Save a reference on Instragram
>Plan to download it later since it might get suspiciously banished later after using certain app.
>Wake up later and it's not longer there.
A-am I being watched bros?

>>7166329
Why did you deleted that post, it's been there since 2023!

>>7166324
For now I only publish my silly drawings on 4chan x_x But thanks for showing interest : )

Heres my submission
Also ty to whoever made that edit of my saya drawing

>>7166573
Very cute anon

>>7166617
I only got a screenshot b4 lsg was down again

ah man I feel like a creep
this is a guy btw
I haven't drawn in years

>>7166573
anon please learn drawing already this shit is subpar

>>7166966
Yea it looks pretty ass, honestly don’t know what I did with the head desu.

I rarely post on here but I just wanna say I love lsg, this the only thread that keeps me going.

https://files.catbox.moe/wrnws8.png<wbr>

>>7167437
sigh. it's okay if you don't want to give it, lying is just kinda regarded tb-desunya

>>7167440
N-no really I just show most of my stuff to people I personally know or on random discords T-T

>>7167390
so so so so nice and gently drawn, good shit

rest in pepperoni you wont be missed bozo

>>7167440
lolicon is so repressed and dangerous to your reputation and mental health, that artists are afraid to share their works or have blogs, lmao...

>>7167390
>The subtle soft lines
>The beautiful attention to detail on their ass lines and lower back
>The foreshortening on the goblinesque feet
>The cutesy and innocent face
>The soft long hair
Impressive work. Love it.

sage

i dont know how i made it to int without remembering basic perspective

Anonymous

>>7167764
pyw, I bet you are still a /beg/let

>>7167775
damn i wish i was born with the ability to draw. oh well

>>7167782
just practice...
5 years with talent
90 years if no talent

>>7167775
too fat, or was that a midget?

>>7167775
Give me tips on how to exaggerate proportions. Every time I draw figures I stick too close to the ref.

I don't normally draw loli but it was fun <br>https://files.catbox.moe/dmt8xp.png<wbr>

Question: are 2d girls fanarts plus massive tits minus nudity allowed??

>>7168165
I mean things like this
https://files.catbox.moe/lbiy3y.jpg<wbr>

>>7168041
another one
https://files.catbox.moe/zzqxkv.png<wbr>

>>7168041
Welcome. There are a lot of mistakes but keep the passion.
>>7168165
I don't see an issue with shortstacks. Try /alt/ if they don't run you out, though.

>>7168199
>Welcome. There are a lot of mistakes but keep the passion.
Can you explain my mistakes? also take a look at >>7168192 too to see if there are any mistakes.

>>7168199
>Try /alt/ if they don't run you out, though.
is that thread also full of mentally ill troons? why is this board like this? I can't conceptualize someone drawing something, like a shoe for example, without first doing hundreds of studies of the subject matter. This place has completely broken me and killed my artistic drive, and looking at our resident namefags like miku, comforti, or even tablefag, it looks like I'm not the only one

Today's college doodles.

Am I on the good path?

>>7168355
Luv u. Also, post more finished stuff.

>>7168199
>>7168169
>>7168165
Ok, here goes nothing.
https://files.catbox.moe/xhvhxm.jpg<wbr>

>>7168402
Wait, I had a better idea
https://files.catbox.moe/fkrzks.jpg<wbr>

>>7168355
Yes you are. Keep up the good work.

newfag comment but the mega in your gdocs is down

>>7168965
also in the meanwhile if anyone has a list of the resources that were in said shota mega I'd greatly appreciate it

>>7168965
that link is a honeypot, congratulations your IP has now been added to the list

>>7168965
I think the only link that is down is the one for shota. I'd have to look for that.

>>7167775
Did you quit twitter because of AI? I know you quit pixiv. Is there any special brushes or tools that you uw80se for coloring?

>>7169407
mostly yes to the first, mostly no the second

>>7169532
any good sketching brushes? tips? i'm not doing so well.

>>7169605
Why laugh? Its good. If anything I would complain that you are A PILLOW SHADING NIGGER and the golden bikini shading doesnt show any form.
Other than that I like it. The cartoony background really fits but I feel like you could make it a bit better making the sand close to the water a bit darker.

>>7169609
Plan is to completely redo the gold shading. I literally splatted down the colors in a second and left it for later. I think the colors are right, but as you said, it could show the form better.

About the pillow shading, this is almost completely cell shaded. The only pillowiness you might be seeing is the blush that I used to try to give her skin a bit of sun. Clearly that failed.

I guess swim suits aren't allowed. If I had posted it in another thread, I bet it would have been totally acceptable.

>>7169680
Yeah, I've had my art deleted too, swimsuits and barbie style anatomy where only the form is drawn but no details.

>>7169680
>>7169732
>art deleted
>swim suits aren't allowed
this is humiliating
lolicon has no future

>>7166082
Anyone got a pdf version of the blue archive official works

>>7169598
my tips to not care about brushes and use what youre comfortable with. i can sketch with a hard round if i feel like it but i usually just use the same brush for everything out of laziness and habit.

im going to copy paste this from a discord im in though that footnoted a video for the group on "learning more efficiently" that i noticed i did some of at one point naturally:

-be in a likeminded communtiy with goals like yours
-get good sleep, dream about the stuff you're studying. If you don't sleep then it is tough to study and remember stuff.
-tackle the hard problem and if you can't solve it, move to an easier one you can solve.
-do stuff like the pomodoro technique to remain fully focused
-apply the material that you've learned from memory. if you can't review it
-don't just watch stuff, do it as well
-don't stick with learning the same basic level of information that you've mastered, try to challenge yourself with new ones
-procrastination is inevitable and triggered by negative thoughts. To counter this, try to think about the process instead of the product. Don't think about a polished product, try to devote yourself to doing X minutes of developing that product
-give yourself a reward for completing tasks
-believe that you can complete the task
-write your quitting time
-write task/todo list before sleeping
-write visuals or mnemonics to remember stuff
-write about what works doesn't work
-use flash cards like anki to study
-do physical exercise
-teach ideas you've learned to others

>>7166937
Lines are a bit scratchy. the trapezius/scalene areas are lower than the shoulders. You'll get there anon.

>>7169763
I could trade artbooks or brushes or like free drawings for it (high beg unfortunately)

>>7169680
>>7169732
Shit gets deleted when it's reported, it's no coincidence that your posts were immediately followed by the samefagging dramatroon who's been trying to kill the thread.

>>7169808
>the samefagging dramatroon
he's moderating this thread by the way

>>7169808
>when it's reported
true, some of my followers reported my drawings and one of them was begging me to quit lolicon.

i'll give him something real average sized to moderate

>>7169766
Just fucking draw, retard. It's not rocket science. Jesus christs these permabegs trying to find shortcuts and magic tricks instead of drawing.

>>7170125
stew in your own negativity more crab lmao. or are you venting your frustrations after not being able to draw a cube?

>>7170128

At least he's drawing. What have you drawn lately?

Just draw is the least crabby advice and it's genuinelly amazing how upset people get about it.

Don't draw at all. Just collect useless trivia and die without ever creating anything.

>>7170300
Woa super cute. Nice work anon

>>7170477
I know a guy who knows a guy that got his account back.

>>7170477

Really!? I should check twitter. That accident made me stop posting.

>>7170472
Ultratesla

>>7170474
Thank you. Actually, I've been trying to get out of my comfort loli-zone. I think I'll get more likes and followers drawing adult characters.

>>7170618
You will.
Whenever i post a loli i find it hard to crack 1k.
Draw hebe or milfs if you want more interactions. Really pretty work either way

i was supposed to draw today but i played games instead... i'm mad

i'm posting whatever i got before i sleep

Wow, Orenji got his x back

You got like 18k subs from that post didn't you?

>>7171630
Next page is probably them bending in an impossible way and getting penetrated with objects x2-3 size bigger, right?

>>7171884
You don't have to resort to violence just because someone draws better than you, anon.

>>7171884
not a fan of that age either but that's too much

>>7171925
no, actually. Most people will agree that it's not too much. Go outside.

You live in your safe little computer fantasy world and forget that there are consequences

>>7171934
>dude everyone says DONT EAT SHIT but I LOVE TO EAT SHIT because MOST PEOPLE ARE RETARDED, I'm very smart!!!!!

>>7171963
I luv u Orenji.
>>7171630
Great skill. Outright horrible taste.

>>7170618
>drawing adult characters.
You're pathetic, the only reason anybody even likes your garbage lazy style is because you draw lolis.

>>7172112

who kicked your sandcastle down this time?

>>7172159

I like talking to people and making sure they're okay. I'm sure anon is just a grumpy pants for one reason or another.

my point is it's shit-tier bait and you're stupid

I wouldn't callously dismiss their response as bait; each person is different and deserves to be heard just once. But you're right, it could be bait.

>>7167775
how did you draw with opacity? any tips?

>>7172200
I dislike how loli artists stop being loli artists to appeal to twitter moralfags.

>>7172302

Maybe people just want to draw a variety of things, you know? Nothing wrong with drawing a big titty oneesan every now and then. Why sharpen your skills only to use it in 1 narrow area?

>>7171986
his taste is unpopular, bad/good are subjective words

that's why adult female characters with big boobs get more likes than lolis
>>7171963
congrats on your unban

>>7172302
Norasuko. He was my favorite. Inspired my art, even. Now I can't be bothered and I think the child faces he puts on big titty hags are stupid and unappealing.

>>7171929
Kill yourself westoid. Get culturally enriched

>>7172412
This would be great if she was 4 years older.

>>7172412
I want to be as badass as that guy

>>7172567
you really need to zoom out while you draw man

>>7171646
you sick fuck...
what next, handholding?

>>7172630
that's way too much
let's try kissing first

>>7172667
Plz tell how to get as good as you.

>>7172412
I imagine she's already sitting on his "stick"

>>7172735
cute
I love blue eyes with blond hair

>>7172757
oh she has been sitting and sucking on the stick long before she had memory about it

>>7172785
that feel when you have to censor breasts instead of genitals

>>7172796
i dont know what youre talking about those are natural

>>7172336
toddlercon is not loli, might as well just post diaper porn

>>7172892
>toddlercon is not loli,
evidence?

>>7172899
not sufficient evidence, will continue supporting toddlercon anons

I wish to draw more, where can I find people making nsfw loli requests?

>>7173064
Not too complicated and no backgrounds. Preferably no guro or scat.

>>7173068
How do you feel about them taking a big dildo up their ass, large enough to bulge their stomach some?

>>7173074
I don't mind, but I've never drawn a dildo or anal

>>7173077
Always a good time to learn how to draw anal, and dicks I guess, although you can always just draw a simple tube with a round top

>>7171630
>>7172412
>>7172667
This man is on the Nanjou Asuka/Nishi Iori path

>>7173105
I am worried about posting at /b/ because it's /b/. Can anyone vouch for it's safety?

>>7173127
You will be shot in the head by the cia if you post in b

>>7173127
>Asking pedophiles to vouch for the safety of a forum

Your parents failed you and I'm not joking at all.

>>7173127
Hold my hand, I can walk you there. No, not there, the white van next to the B-building.

It seems like Nips are perfectly okay with foreigners talking in English nowadays because translation is so good now. I don't have to pretend to be Japanese anymore.

>>7173257
Kore'wa Nani dasaiko. Ichimasu. UwU.^
>You will never jlbw japanese like me.
Rsakrg

>>7173321

Aha don't get me wrong, /DJT/ still needs me. Unless someone invents a way to translate all that lost media in a few hours with AI, I must learn Japanese.

>>7173063
any drawthread works. just catbox it or something

>>7173063
>>7173063
I once just barged in the loud house thread in /trash/and asked for people to tell me characters so I could draw them sucking a dick full of smegma.

No catbox or anything. Stop overthinking

>>>/b/918653755
I suck at perspective so bad is unreal.
>>7173386
I feel like your lolis are too elongated. I would go for a shorter torso.
>>7173127
What do you mean? Personally I'd be more wary of a random discord or twitter link, since >>>/b/ is tiny by comparison, and mods are rather quick to remove illegal material, plus the place is full of bots, so the chances of a random schizo latching onto you are low if you have really bad opsec. On the other hand, if you are worried about your name ending up in some list, then that's not an issue. 4troons has been a fed honeypot for years now, your name is already in many lists just for browsing this thread https://archive<DOT>ph/m43ds

>>7173439
I'm drawing a variety of body types from small roris to Isekai meikyuu girls.

Tomorrow I'll draw smaller ones, rest assured

>>7173439
That image sounds like schizo ramblings. .

>>7173464
It is, but also "4chan is a fed honeypot" is such a basic thing nowadays I don't think anyone would argue against that

>>7173475
>fed honeypot

I'm tired of this shit.

mentally ill paranoid retards
getting banned over and over again
censorship.
in 2024 it doesn't worth it at all.
not drawing lolis is the best solution

>>7173516
Good morning sirs how goes the demoralization campaign today sirs

>>7173542
Wow pretty good, post more often

>>7173516
>doesn't worth it at all
Shut the fuck up, Pedro

>>7173542
Is that the trash panda vtuber?

>>7173600
it goes perfectly fine, lolicon is doomed

>>7173734
Unbelievable sirs very Good job sirs

This thread is so slow and devoid of art. Maybe we really should just be absorbed by the other generals.

>when you just want to take a shower
https://litter.catbox.moe/qrmhya.jp<wbr>g

>>7173832
True, this thread is actually pretty bad desu. Should just be gone imo.

This thread is actually pretty great desu. Should just stay imo.

Even if there was anything wrong with loli, which there isn't outside the addled minds of terminally online leftcucks, the thread is gonna be around forever out of basic contrarianism.

>>7174055
Sadly that's how it is. It seems like people in here are more interested in starting drama and talking about twitter troons than in actual drawing discussion. Eventually jannies won't have a choice but to ban these threads, since there's more lolicontent on the /asg/ threads anyway, so is not like anyone would be left orphaned.

>>7174059

I was mostly talking to myself in that post. Secondly, nothing is stopping (you) from starting an art discussion. Imagine (but not for too long) you have the whole floor and hot mic open for you and you waste it on doomtrolling.

>>7174055
>>7174059
>>7173755
>>7174077

1.draw lolicon
2.stay poor
3.stay miserable
4.chat with mentally ill paranoid anons
5.repeat

>>7174076
Personally I don't post my work here because look at these threads. look at how uninviting they are, look at the posts, the schizos, the bad-faith arguments, the off-topic. How much genuinely constructive insight do you see here? It does happen, but rarely. Even when people do post their work, it's pretty much always unfinished sketches. That could be taken as a sign.
I'm itching for critical eyes on my work. I need to grow. But this just aint it. Most people wouldn't want the hot mic here. That's why you're always seeing low-effort posts.
Improve this place and it'll be booming by comparison. There's no way I'm alone in wanting crit. Let the bigger fish in the pond lead the way.

>>7174111

I'm sorry, I wish there was more I could do for you guys.

>>7174111
>Even when people do post their work, it's pretty much always unfinished sketches. That could be taken as a sign.

you won't be rewarded for a finished work
people will treat you as a sick pedophile if you're good at drawing lolis
the only thing you can get is being banned
the better you draw the more you suffer.
because it doesn't worth it to invest your time in this repressed niche with no benefits

>>7174130
>because it doesn't worth

You need to focus more on learning English.

imagine caring more about yourself than clout and drawing for fun

>>7174161
>yourself than clout and drawing for fun
you really need to learn english

>>7174111
>I'm itching for critical eyes on my work. I need to grow. But this just aint it.
This is how I feel, but I hate general social media so much that I keep coming back to the ephemeral style of this place. I don't know what I want. Maybe it's just to be acknowledged by the greats around me and to be told where I suck by them because I know they're better. Where the hell are the git gud or die trying lolicon discords, the holy land of pros and ints.

>>7174175

The baraag admin runs a discord, you can join that. And I’m sure once you join it you’ll still feel that empty feeling. As you said, you don’t know what tf you want.

Hermione, like the girl from fear and hunger, is peak cunny

>>7174201
Wish I had your energy to use up what little newsprint I have left.

This is what I meant by >>7174055 btw

>>7174179
I didn't know that. I can't see it anywhere, so I'm not sure how I was supposed to. Is it public, wouldn't take just get it taken down? If it's too large, they need to have some rules so you can't post lolis, which would make it pointless.

>>7174201
College sketches. My output there is better than at home. I wonder why

>>7174232
Well not the head admin, the other appointed admin, Wyst.

>>7174242
>>7174201
Good job but don't forget to finish things! It's much more interesting to see what you're fully capable of

>>7174247
It seems to have been taken down (or at least the invite).
Still, I imagine you can message him and get invited to some server.

>>7166082
If I were to make a Shota VN, where would I be able to sell it? Surely steam won't allow it.

>>7174257
Kaguya games since they allowed summer and winter memories

>>7174256
discord is gay,
you won't improve
only you can improve yourself.

>>7174293
Come now. The grapes are in the tree, you just need to leap to get them. Then you won’t have to be in this place that you don’t like anymore. Be free and leap, young fox.

>>7174167
drawing skills are more valuable

>>7174355

I'm not contesting what has more value, I'm telling you to learn English.

>>7174242
Thinking back to it, Silica was one of the first to make me start appreciating flatties, which led me down this unholy rabbithole. Thanks for taking me back to my roots anon, I'll draw some Silica now.

Don't think I've ever posted in this thread before

>>7166600
>>7166655
https://files.catbox.moe/2a54il.png<wbr>
It was my pleasure. Your style is well suited for this type of thing... We should have more choices than just white void or traditional BG.

did elon change the algorithm? two days ago my feed was full of mostly nip cnnuy artist, with the occasional western artist, but now it's full of vtumors and cringe meme accounts, plus for some reason there's this

>>7174572
Open on pc, go to settings, search "interests" and uncheck all that shit.
No, there's no way to stop it from getting filled with garbage.
Yes, it's been like that since before Elon.

>>7174572

You should follow the NSA. Keep you friends close and your frenimies closer and all that.

>>7174578
it's like a sewer down there, this will take a while

>>7174111
The problem is that the only people who get genuine, constructive criticism...are those who are good enough that won't need that much of it.

guys remember to use reference >>>/int/197572750

>>>/b/918705561
how do I draw a slightly puffy pussy from this angle?

>>7174654
you cannot
from a dead center angle to show volume you have to use shading

>>7174654
The best you could do is exaggerate. Clitoral hood pointing outwards to one side, lineweight tapering as it goes down and bends with one side fully delineated to suggest shape

>>7174664
Sure! The image provided depicts a two part joke about a a twitter user with the handle @HackermanTm, and the username "Legoshima is Yapping ". The part on the right is a post image of the popular videogame DOOM with the main character at the center fighting hordes of demons in hell. The image has the caption "feels when you agro loli fans", where "agro" probably refers to the verb to anger, and "loli fans" refers to people that demonstrate an attraction towards underage fictional characters. This implies that the user @HackermanTm often gets in online arguments with "loli fans" where they try to overwhelm him. The post on the right is an image of a police car with the caption "goodbye everyone it was nice while it lasted ill prove im innocent someday...". The image appears to have been taken at night from inside of someone's residence, implying that it was taken by the user @HackermanTm, which implies that the police car is monitoring his residence. Given the overall context of the image, we can guess that the police car is there to investigate the user for possession of illegal content similar to what he refers to in the previous image. The label on the police car is "POLICE", implying that it was taken in an English speaking country. It is important to note that possession of lolicon content is illegal in many English speaking countries, so putting it all together we can assume that this image is meant to depict a fall from grace type of joke. Let me know if you need help with anything else.

>>7174699
The US is the only country in the world whose police cars look like that and lolicon is not illegal here!
AI is retarded

>>7172548
Honestly the drawthreads there are overflowing with drama. Even if you start your own, retards from those generals leap over to solo ones. Try starting a drawing thread on /s4s/, it quietly allows loli (there is no option to report it).

>>7173127
Don't bother with /b/ its a hot bed for drama.
Try asking and starting a thread on /s4s/.
Depends what you like style wise: /v/, /co/, /a/, /vt/, /trash/, etc. Many loli requests lurk in the drawthreads on these boards. Or you can enter threads talking about a specific franchise or character. There are plenty of places to hunt for requests. If its mostly nsfw use Catbox or another site for image hosting.

>>7174654
https://files.catbox.moe/nwsy0e.jpg<wbr>
You can maybe imply some squish by softening the lines a bit in places, like this? Probably not exactly in the places I did, this was quick and dirty just to give an example, but something like that.

>>7166600
>>7171630
>>7172785 catbox the better version, also great poses
>>7173542 good pose
>>7173859 i like that this has a more western type face
>>7174474 really like the rendering on the jeans and the yellow lines for the sitiches

Blogs please from all those youd.

>>7174111
Post a drawing, what type of crit are you after?

>>7173705
Who?

https://files.catbox.moe/yf33ib.jpg<wbr>

I think I have added the extra bit of interest interest that I wanted. Now I just gotta draw hands.

>>7172785
Who are these characters? vtubers? One in bottom corner a dog?

>>7174861
Kali?

>>7174892
Yeah. kind of. Different accounts for slightly different content. https://x.com/NymphoDayDream

>>7174895
Heh, second time I clocked your style.
Wow that Pippa draw really took off.

Does anyone here do themes with guro, ryona, death with lolisho characters?

>>7174898
Yeah, I was lucky enough to get a retweet from her.

>>7174489
Thanks! https://x.com/Chives___

>>7174554
Agreed

>>7174840
Thanks, at first I planned to just ink and do some screen tones, but on a whim I ended up coloring instead. Happy I did.

>>7174840
>>7174840
>Post a drawing, what type of crit are you after?
Thorough. A good artist telling me personally what to improve on to make my pictures appeal to others would be most constructive.
Would rather just encourage the other anons here than get trolled and flamed.

>>7174974
>A good artist
There is an oldfag loli artist by the name of Simon who would likely give you the crit you desire. His power level is insane.

This still count as loli?
Trying to make my art more appealing.
Prob need to study composition.
>>7174486
Ty again. Ill try to expand from my comfort zone of blank void lol

Quick doodle before bed. I wasn't planning on finishing it but I think it turned out really good for what it is.

>>7175056
The face shape is unappealing. The way the head connects to the neck is also unappealing. makes it look like a potatoes on a stick. One of her arms is broken and strangely positioned.

Nice hair. Nice leg. Nice shoes.

>>7175075
Ah ty for feedback!
I should prob study more angles for faces.
Idc about anatomy being broken as long as it flows and looks good.
Any books youd recommend i study? Or would u mind redlining so i can further understnd yr feedback? Ty either way.

>>7175093
>>7175056
I like your picture, the style is really nice and appeals to me. I totally think you can keep the face shape but just move the head a bit.

>>7166220
You have the same style as that boykisser faggot that made changed I'm sorry

>>7174996
I don't know that world, so its just someones OC basically? Can you post the avatars?

>>7175073
Something that I notice when alot of people draw side profiles, is that I feel the eye is set too far back. Like, if you took the drawing and rotated it to a full frontal shot, the eyes would be too far apart. Many times I feel the eyes should be moved closer to the edge of the face.

lolicon is the number one problem in the world!

>>7175584
Has anyone figured out why they've been doing this whole intentional silent war on payment processors? I've heard from a little birdy part of it has to do with bending the knee for Apple and what they have planned but that can only be a small part of it.

>>7175589
>why they've been doing this

children... shhh

>>7175589
Advertisers and investors (Blackrock, Vanguard and Google amongst others) control the flow of money because they decide who keeps to get investment money and who gets to have juicy juicy ad money on their site.
Have you seen the draconian surveillance and shit going on Jewtube? They have gotten better at parsing audio and video automatically and now you get demonetized automatically if you mention shit like suicide or guns or pistols or drugs.
Such companies dont have direct ownership over the platforms but by limiting their investment ranking through ESG or their advertisement availability they control their behaviour indirectly

Remember what happened to Tumblr? Tons of minors uploading their shit had an ultimatum given to Tumblr "You start verifying your shit and moderating every single media uploaded or you get everything pulled out". They prohibited nsfw and killed the site.

Same happened to every porn site and now only verified users can upload porn.

Same shit happened to Pixiv and Patreon and Fanbox and now Fantia.

They tried the same shit with OnlyFans but because it is such a massive fucking racket earning billions of dollars for the Jew in charge who is a DNC top donor they stopped trying and it is allowed to keep running.

Now, why would they let 3dpd porn run rampant and keep flourishing with glorified pimping like Onlyfans at the top of it while fictional porn gets banned from the internet? Who the fuck knows.

>>7175605
>fictional porn gets banned
no, they ban only specific types of porn (problematic and explicit stuff)
japs didn't want to delete lolicon and problematic art

>>7175605
Internet gets worse and worse with each passing year.

>>7175584
I've already seen several content creators use bitcoin as a payment method.
Pretty sad that they have to do that.

>>7175589
It's not ESG or whatever they may say. It's actually a *conservative* sex negative organization (Exodus Cry) who's seizing the opportunity to attempt to ban porn from the internet, since many of their donors also have fingers in the credit card pie. It started with the "Girls do Porn" scandal that led to verification in uploads, and also they are in part responsible for several states requiring ID to browse sites like Pornhub.

>>7175605
>All of this because whites fell for the "my fellow whites" meme
Imagine giving power to women and sloped forehead and flat lipped "people".

>What having no pattern recognition and being raised in Jewish captivity does a people

>>7175725
Hey man, you reek of /pol/. Go wash yourself off before stepping in /lsg/.

>>7175682
conservacucks: from giving power to women to allowing gays, trannies and racemixing.

Conservatives literally don't exist only: Israel 1 and Israel 2, both cucked, circumcized and demoralized. It's literally evil to have attractive girls in media both fictional and real in westranny, this has been going on for a while, from the hideous and filthy cartoons to games, shows and now things outside their mixed shitholes.

>Everything will be ugly and you will like it

>>7175730
Why do you think I draw lolis?

>Ugliness is evil

you live in a mixed shithole, with no entertainment, no people, everything is ugly, your economy is worsening by the year and the things you like are being subjugated but you refuse to acknowledge who did it all.

Yeah, I'm sorry, guess you're right

>>7175736
No, you're good. Forget what I said since I'm the one who initiated the topic anyway.

>>7175680
dark web?

>>7175732
>conservacucks: from giving power to women to allowing gays, trannies and racemixing.

yes, they want to save children from sexualization, so they ban problematic art

BOSS MAKES A DOLLAR
I MAKE A DIME
I UOOHH
ON COMPANY TIME

Very shitty sketch I had to destroy before finishing because reasons.

Ok fine I finished it. I accept Dogecoin.

>>7175831

Time theft is a serious crime, anon.

>>7175605
>Now, why would they let 3dpd porn run rampant and keep flourishing with glorified pimping like Onlyfans at the top of it while fictional porn gets banned from the internet?
They don't let all 3DPD run rampant. Only that owned by the jew.
They completely devastated the indie porn scene. And it turns out we're the last leg of said indie porn scene still standing.
The goal isn't to remove porn from the internet. It's to remove goyim from the multi-billion dollar online porn industry. We cost the jew way too many sheckels in their outdated subscription based porn websites, so we have to die.

>>7175831
>drawing loli at work
Mr. Thundercock in here.

>>7175973
I was way too distracted with the stupid leftard "conservacucks want to ban all porn out of puritan christian reasons" that I hadnt contemplated that argument.
I wouldnt really call the indie porn scene "killed" since amateurs can still make big bucks through pornhub, onlyfans, justforfans, manyvids, etc. BUT is it actually indie if they need to basically pimp themselves out to Mindgeek megacorps to get some of that coom money that is heavily taxed, jewed up by fees and they still need to subject themselves to ToS (Onlyfans doesnt allow content that involves CnC, Blood, Scat or any kind of harm).
I now see that it is just a huge money grab.
Thanks for your input, anon.

>>7173859
I'm just trying to take a shower and some fucking loli bitch starts randomly playing with my PENIS? WHAT THE FUCK??!!? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS??? I JUST WANT TO TAKE A FUCKING SHOWER KEEP YOUR FUCKING HANDS OFF MY COCK YOU BITCH
Holy fucking shit

https://files.catbox.moe/b16z6z.png<wbr>

getting back to drawing loli again

>>7175992
Yeah, you can only pretend to be indie now while working directly for Conglomo. And they're scrubbing the web from all traces of the old indie porn world.

Effort cunny, will add clothes later.

Why there's so few drawings of Hermione even though she is peak cunny?

>>7176049
Because you could just draw Louise from ZnT instead. You can always just make an alt with different hair color I guess

You guys were right. I sincerely apologize. For this, and many other things as well.
This is the best I can do right now:
https://files.catbox.moe/3e866n.jpg<wbr>

>>7174095
I would still be doing the rest of the list even if I were to omit 1.

>>7176065
That looks nice, I just wish they'd have bigger thighs but that's just personal preference

>>7176049
Played by a real person so I don't think people want to get into that territory where you could be accused of drawing a real person and get into real possible legal problems.
One could claim to just be doing the character from the book but it's dangerous ground that most don't want to step on.

>>7175102
Uhm sorry for asking for a redline, thats a lot to ask of a stranger.
I got some advice from here and discord and ill try harder. Ty for help
>>7175328
V cute. I like the hair render, since of the limb proportions are a bit off
>>7175920
Damn youre good
>>7175947
Very pretty. Really love the dress, pose is a bit stiff imo but mogs my skill either way.
V cute and funny
>>7176049
ToT
Erotic belly
>>7176062
Godlike. Would buy ur sketchbook if you sell it.
>>7176183
V appealing faces, nice

>>7176222
>it's dangerous ground that most don't want to step on.

So, it's better to quit lolicon until it's too late and forget about it. Why do you need this mental gymnastics and stress? Isn't it pathetic to be afraid of ch***ren? Do you want to live in fear?

That's why payment processors punished Japanese sites. Western people treat lolicon as CP.

Did a lil collab for next thread but then noticed it's only page 5

Whoever bakes next, you can use it if u like it

so we agree that this is the last lsg thread ever, and we will all migrate to asg, right?

>>7176506
sorry too busy playing wuthering waves…

you can make the new thread, use >>7176398
and copy paste the op

>>7176506
We actually draw what we wanted here, not copying blindly like atelierfaggots

we've been over bump limit for ages, where's all the blogposting and schizoposting ?

>>7177464
I’m too busy playing WuWa and shitposting on /vg/. Maaaaybe next thread?

And besides, what is there to schizophrenic post about? Enemies have been slain, the star of the show has been battered and washed up and no longer posts art, and the friends made along the way shook hands. It’s over in that regard.

>>7177464
It's just between you and me, but I've finally realized that I came here to die. So that I could claw myself back up from hell. If I can't do that, then I never deserved to live anyway.

Pride. Resentiment. Need for attention. They're surprisingly hard to vanquish on your own. So I wanted to be punished. I wanted to be destroyed so that I could move on. Thank you.

But if there's ever a next time, I'll definitely be even tougher.

Don’t be fooled, I’m merely faking my truce. So please keep training.

and by truce I mean I’m not ignoring your existence just because I’m leaving you alone

Uhm, that goes for 2 people. You know who you are.

I haven't the slightest clue of what you're talking about. I've tied up all the ends. No more friends, no more enemies, no more expectations, no more misplaced pride. I can finally return to nothing, where I operate best.

I see. I like your thinking.

In any case, I agree. It would be pointless to keep enemies if one is formless and unseen. A return to zero is bliss. But I’m no fool to forget an idea. That guy wanted 100k followers? I’ll get what he always wanted out of principle. Why? So I’m on the mountains where I can meet a different group of people, not looking up anymore and certainly not looking at eye level with other dreamers.

I never had dreams. Only wonder, and then compulsion. Pure strength and ability that stood all on its own, self-evident before all forms of fluff and trickery. Why do I even want that? Either way, I'm afraid of my limits. I'm just fighting to survive.

Well, this is... probably... goodbye, but do you suppose we could be friends?

Friends? I'll never reach 100k followers befriending a lolicon, that much is evident. Your account would get shoad before it reaches 10k. While equally important, I need to expand beyond fridges and twigs. My newfound purpose is to achieve the unobtainable dream that you told me you wanted long ago and still don't have.

This is a war for the right reasons that I must walk in darkness through the light.

You must have the wrong person, but that's fine. It's what I deserve anyway.

I'm just speaking my mind in case the other person reads it.

You did nothing wrong, so I suppose we can be mutually friendly. But the same applies--all lolicons will hold me back from my rise simply because a loli art account is bricked. Nothing against friendship.

That's good to hear. Now I have no regrets.

I don’t know how you subscribe to “being in the darkness and having no regrets” >>7178017
>>7178029 when your prior counterparts don’t seem to take you seriously unless you rub it in their faces with concrete proof that you made it.

They don’t take you seriously. That should piss you off. Not be a little emo pussy and throw caution to the wind and be free. What has that gotten anyone? Nothing. “Oh boy I finally got rid of that schizo now im free to be mediocre.” The rest of the thread? They’re happy you’re a neutered dog. Not sorry, that’s not in my DNA.

Not to be rude, but he was never my rival or enemy. I just regretted possibly hurting them... What they think of me now is no matter. Besides, I was never driven by spite or enmity, it was self-loathing all along. That's why I came here to die and be reborn. I subconsciously acted the way I did so that you could all hopefully kill me, since I can't do it myself.

>>7178256
That's odd then. I wonder who it is you're referring to.

Artistry is not war, but self-struggle. Only through social circumstance does it become a competition. Some will accuse me of cowering before the ambitions of others, and others yet may think me arrogant for being blind to them. But the truth is, I find both solace and meaning in self-flagellation. I believe real skill, real art to be borne of suffering.


Is the anime style becoming more and more accepted in the American Comics industry? If I want to make a living as a penciller, is the anime style a viable thing? Also, is it possible to make a good living penciling and inking comics for publishers that aren't the Big 2?

I heard horror stories of anime-style comic artists unable to find work in the early 2000's, but surely things have changed now, right? Anime is quite literally the most commercial art style that exists. I find it hard to believe people aren't accepting of it, even now, in comics.

It is impossible because people like this fat retard
https://youtu.be/dD6eQ4esQ2Q?si=4qu<wbr>5Vq3lffPuCIFX

Are the ones gatekeeping the industry
by the way, he says all this shit but he used a Japanese pen name to try and pass his comics as manga :)

Youd have more luck self publishing or going to france or belgium

>>7166495
This is funny, because Jim Lee, Tood McFarlane, and Rob Liefeld all had heavy Japanese manga influences in their comics.

>>7166498
>presenting a bunch of "rules" within the first 30 seconds of that video
utter trash

>>7166503
And marvel and dc will make sure no one like them will ever be hired again.
I like David Finch, he has nice tutorilas and is a pretty good teacher, but his mentality when it comes to cfeativity is exactly what marvel/dc likes and exactly what is killing the comic industry.
Watch the David finch video about how to draw head, at it he says something "ok this hed is too tall I cant get away with it"
Why not?
Pic related. Best comic book in history by the way.
In all most of his videos he has these little comments that are honestly just sad

>>7166505
Check out the comment section. Proko's menagement team is 24/7 on it because it is by far the worst video on the channel.
Literally every single popular manga doesnt follow any of these retarded rules

>>7166495
>>7166496
>>7166498
>>7166503
>>7166505
>>7166507
>>7166512
Stop making these gay hypothetical fantasy job threads if you won’t even post your shitty work

>>7166512
lol theyre already here too by the looks of it >>7166517

>>7166495
>inking comics
You should be able to prove you inking chops, regardless of your own personal art style, anyway.
That said, if you're making your own work, and presenting it to the publisher, they likely don't care if it's 'anime-esque' these days, and only care about quality.
Though I can imagine them worrying about how saturated that look is already and wanting something more 'fresh' to catch attention.

Lots of newer gen artists like Dan Mora and Jorge Jimenez are heavily anime influenced.

There's literally no 'american comic industry'. Its already a rotting corpse. Best bet is to try start your own western based manga group/studio or wait abit and join someone who does.

>>7166527
I don’t know what or who you are talking about. You physically cannot post your work because it invalidates your awful, awful wish fulfilment threads

>>7166498
marvel comics are SHIT and dying and living off of avengers movie money. why would I want their advice

>>7166547
You ignore any advice that would actually help you to achieve publishable work in maybe a decade. I’m being generous with a decade cause your work must be pre beg level

>>7166559
Fucking who? You’re the schizophrenic who keeps making these threads instead of learning how to draw

>>7166532
>Though I can imagine them worrying about how saturated that look is already and wanting something more 'fresh' to catch attention.
Wouldn't you say the same about Superhero styles? And don't business people usually want conformity to proven styles, instead of investing in uniqueness?

>>7166498
is there something like this from a person that actually publushes good art?

I cant stomach american comics, its so stiff, forced, edgy, crude and unaestethic.

I'm sure some of the artists could do a lot better if they werent a prisoner of this rigid ass comic style

>>7166535
No, your best bet is to just go to a japanese publisher. It's easier than trying to build a business/industry from basically scratch and it's not as hard as you'd think. They're actively looking for authors who are skilled, and if you're not skilled then you're just dreaming anyway.
>>7166584
>And don't business people usually want conformity to proven styles, instead of investing in uniqueness?
Yes, that is a known requirement of marvel/DC. They have a house style, and expect you to work within it.

>>7166696
>No, your best bet is to just go to a japanese publisher. It's easier than trying to build a business/industry from basically scratch and it's not as hard as you'd think. They're actively looking for authors who are skilled, and if you're not skilled then you're just dreaming anyway.
I heard there were actually dozens of people who are already published in Japanese magazines, but they basically don't publicize themselves

>>7166634
Read the comic The Killer, the one they made the movie with Fassbender
That's a very good comic that adheres to all the fat guy talking points without making it dull, stiff and unaestethic
It sticks to frame, doesn't change gutters, have insane coherence and great composition even within panel

>>7166507
It was weird seeing Finch draw Link and Guts. He drew them both like generic stocky capeshit figures. They looked like DC characters cosplaying at an anime convention or something. I don't know why so many comic book artists have this weird barrier up around manga where they refuse to try and really udnerstand or replicate the styles of different mangaka.

>>7167508
Because the whole reason anybody would want to see a drawing of Link or Guts by David Finch is to see how he depicts them in his own style. Same with basically any other famous artist drawing another's characters. Do you complain that mangaka draw each other's characters in their own styles too?

>>7167510
Link is a twink, at the very least Finch could have drawn him with his proper bodytype instead of as a muscleman. The Guts one was mostly fine I guess. Maybe I just don't appreciate the style enough to really get much out of his renditions.

>>7167510
the weirdest thing about his guts drawing is the reinforced concrete

>>7166495
American comics are desperately trying to copy manga style, but doing it badly

>>7170378
Yes, especially with Ms Marvel and Gwenpool

>>7170394
>american comics
>mediocre capeshit by jobbers

idk if you guys are just bad faith weaboos or genuinely ignorant of real american comics.

>>7167510
Reminds of when Jim Lee drew Goku on stream and half the chat was chimping out about how he wasn't copying Toriyama's style.

>>7166498
>Marvel is the industry
Top kek. Marvel is a shuffling zombie only still around because of inertia. Only a fool would go to work for them or DC.

>>7171468
Who are the up and coming stars?

Please don't say webtoons...

>>7171473
There really isn't any, although Dark Horse and Image have been gradually eating away at the Big 2's market share, but normies are completely unaware of them. Manga currently dominates comics sales in the US.

>>7171473
rerolling until you are born japanese in japan is the meta

>>7166507
>And marvel and dc will make sure no one like them will ever be hired again.
Bro, all the top artists at Marvel and DC are Latinx weebs who draw in Westernized anime styles. The reason Marvel and DC don't hire Lee, McFarlane and Liefeld types anymore is because none of those guys (with the exception of Jim when he was still copying Byrne) were that good. Liefeld in particular was ass and catapulted by the cultural EXTREME zeitgest of the late 80s/early 90s.

Jorge Jimenez, Dan Mora, and Simon Di Meo.jpg

>>7171692
yeah, I don't think anyone is denying the skill of Western capeshit artists. They're incredibly good. The stories are just restrictive and uninteresting, is all

>>7171692
>>7171995
I honestly wish people would recognize American/Japanese fusion as it's own thing. The way American artists adapted Japanese visual language into a realistic style is very interesting and effective on it's own.

>>7171692
Now imagine if they weren't forced to draw capeshit.

>>7172001
It's just good art. And anime has its root in america anyway.

>>7166495
If you are Chinese you will fail, if you are Japanese you may be successful, if you are Korean you will have more success streaming, if you are American meh, it depends on your ideology if you are a magician the indie market exists, if you are woke they will force you to draw capeshit shit, but in If the "comic industry" is dead.

>>7172294
You should go watch the original disney sleeping beauty. The designs there are unironically more beautiful than anything done today, anime or not. I don't think Sleeping Beauty has been surpassed ever since then, and it may not ever be surpassed, even for the next 500 years.

>>7166498
I liked this overview, but the best info comes up in the last minute and it would be interesting to show several pages that stand out for him specifically. For example, Hitchcock's blocking is very different from Spielberg's blocking techniques and I wonder if he has maybe three artists he could analyze to really dig into the logic of their panel layouts.

>>7172320
Actually I kind of see what you're talking about there, because Korean Shoujo manga does look like it might be patterned off of Sleeping Beauty.


Patreon

Patreon confirms it doesn't require proof of consent between fiction characters, and it's only for content featuring real people, is faith restored?

>>7166118
"Animation" used as an example of non-visual content, opposed to photography and videos, what?

>>7166118
Faith? Restored? In what, a trillion dollar (((financial))) company?
Motherfucker I got knocked off the platform for drawing adult cartoon characters in rapey scenarios. I even included a foreword and an image within the image stating that the actions were actually consensual, they still decided to drive me underground and now I have to link people in secret with a stripped down page with nothing on it.
No faith until these thugs stop treating drawings like real life. Can't even believe this shit is still happening, wtf

Patreon stabbed the corpse with ten thousand knives but I suppose they pulled one knife out so we're cool.

>>7166138
I honestly see a lot of pretty questionable stuff on patreon, even after the ban waves, why do you think you got targeted?

>>7166221
No idea honestly. Just got one of those "trust and safety team reviews" after being on patreon for about two months where they said my work was "perpetuating and glorifying sexual violence against women" because of depiction of non-consensual activities (it's run of the mill bondage crap, not even realistic style.)

>>7166118
if this was true why did they delete thiccwithaq's account last month?
>>7166138
did they delete your account out of nowhere or did they tell you to delete the images first?

>>7166118
>2021

Cool now show the new one

>>7166221
>inb4 they know he posts on 4chan

>>7166590
wait they just delete one their biggest nsfw content creators just like that...what a retarded site, the ceo also seems like a faggot

>>7166595
What do you mean, it is the most recent one
https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-u<wbr>s/articles/8335146084877-Mastercard<wbr>-s-Adult-18-Requirements-An-Overvie<wbr>w

>>7166221
>>7166239
>>7166657
It's me. I reported you after you rejected my reasonable request and blocked me.
Who's the "13-year-old Sperglord," now?

>>7166239
Can you post the image in question. I'd like to see if they were onto something or are completely delusional.

I naver had trouble with them, even tho I draw questionable stuff like inprisonment, bondage, etc. (pic related is an example). I never draw actual rape tho as the point is that the abused characters always enjoy it. But obviously it's a slippery slope.

Also, I don't post to my Patreon timeline and always only link to my socials.

>>7166687
As always, it's the payment processor's fault, not really patreon, or pixiv, or all the other platforms that are banning porn

>>7166761
>pic
Should have just left it at "Somebody."

>>7166716
Currently you just need to verify your age by showing them your ID if you're making fictional porn, which I understand, and compile a consent form if you post content with real people. I just hope I don't get randomly banned anyway

>>7166787
Why should anyone care about offended randoms that could simply not look?
Payment processors have actual leverage in the matter.

Why jump through all these hoops and worry about getting banned for drawing the wrong thing if you can just use a different crowdfunding platform?

>>7166836
Because patreon is the most popular, the most trusted and easier to use for the consumer. Even if there are a lot of big artists that make big numbers on subscribestar, it will always be slightly less popular for the simple reason that it doesn't have paypal

>>7166118
Cool. I'll give it a try and see what happens, I already don't have any subscribers anyhow.
>T. Drawing the most vanilla of monster pornos.

>>7166716
that's just the consent form for real people

this is in the actual guidelines that were updated a month or so ago and is unchanged. You WILL still get terminated.

>>7166898
Mother fucker dude, where the fuck to I post my garbage?

>>7166898
what no, those are the old guidelines, they updated/reverted back to those of last year that really just specify that you don't have to demonstrate consent between fictional characters (how would you even do that) and only that the creator must be 18+. You can't draw rape, that never changed, but you don't have to draw your characters getting a lawyer and signing a consent form.

https://support.patreon(.)com/hc/en<wbr>-us/articles/8335146084877-Masterca<wbr>rd-s-Adult-18-Requirements-An-Overv<wbr>iew

>>7166924
https://www.patreon.com/policy/guid<wbr>elines

They arent old, they just updated these recently and are still here. Those mastercard requirements are a completely separate thing that has nothing to do with drawn stuff.

>>7166898
>>7166911
>>7166924
You can't draw rape or non-consensual work in any way, even fantasy stuff like hypnosis and role play like bdsm on patreon, that has always been the case since the website start and has nothing to do with this new mastercard policy that requires a consent form between all participants if what you create has real people in it. That's it. Nothing really changed for artists, and if you post stuff that's vague or on the line on patreon and still didn't get banned, you just got lucky. I see bestiality and lolis on patreon all the time, they simply didn't get reported yet. Always have a Subscribestar backup.

>>7166590
>>7166687
>ban an actual artist thiccwithaq
>let 10+ of his AI clones rake in tons of patreon bux
Ouch

>>7166946
it's not the "style" the reason they banned him, but probably because he drew incest or implied incest. The problem with patreon is that they probably pay a bunch of moderators to enforce their extremely vague and subjective guidelines, and are forced to ban people once in a while to demonstrate they're actually doing work.

>>7166946
since he mostly draws nu-hentai of gacha game characters and not pre 2015 anime characters his audience is probably underage

>>7167037
As with most successful porn artists then, same with the AIbros

>>7167039
this attempt of you AIfags trying to somehow split the community of this board (by trying to bring porn artists to your side and trying to make people against AI look like puritanical luddites somehow?) is so pathetic. Just go fucking away please

>>7167039
>>7167047
I support organic, community-based hentai of characters who are their fictional age plus years since publication, I do not support aislop gachaslop or other forms of trough-fed content.

>>7167047
What are you talking about schizo? I was just mentioning AIbros do the same as porn artists while he was trying to single out one person.

>>7167052
>calling jeets AI"bros"

sure bud

>>7167054
I regularly call them AIfaggots too, all derogatory. AIbro is no different than Cryptobro which was always used in jest

Either way I find them all disgusting and this type of shit annoys me as I pointed out in my first post
>>7166946

>>7167060
they should completely ban AI images and permit fictional porn

>>7166946
He draws actual rape though, like that one pokemon girl getting raped in front of her brother. He's a hardcore NTRfaggot, like having dudes cry and shit. So yeah I can understand that one

>>7169144
if he drew vanilla there wouldn't be much to separate him from his legions of AI clones

>>7166824
Some Random Payment Processor makes it wordy. The image of MC/V makes clear who the Somebody is.


Even the great, late Kim Jung Gi planned his murals. Why won't you?

>>7166973
sometimes, depends if I either don't feel like drawing during that time, or if it is something I want to not forget about when I am trying to find good ideas to work on my free time

most of the time though, I just improvise on whatever I have sketched out if it's something simple for me to complete

>>7166973
I just keep drawing until I give up trying to save it

>>7166973
I mostly plan out everything in my head, then "finalize" the composition in a rough sketch before doing the actual drawing.

>>7166973
I write everything I want in the drawing first, because I learned the hard way that I actually don't really think when I improvise, I can't do two things at the same time. If I have a clear goal it's way easier, and for that I write all my ideas in my sketchbook.

>>7166973
>Do you plan your art by writing down what will go where, what objects will be in the background, sketches of intricate parts what colors you will use, and reminders, or do you just improvise?

I work at Mcdonalds so I carry a napkin around with me to write art notes. Im planning a mural of Grimace raping the Hamburglar once I get some free time


How important is it for artists to learn Sacred Geometry? What kind of effect will it have on your work?

vilppu called it bullshit (lol) and said "there are no bloody secrets"
and he's right; go read loomis' creative illustration for what those arrangements actually mean and stop wasting time on nonsense
inb4 some nodraw permabeg /x/tard chimps out

Check out this booklist and look under Golden Section:
https://www.barnstonestudios.com/my<wbr>rons-bookshelf/
Whether or not it's bullshit, judge for yourself

>>7167246
I used to be subscribed to Myron Barnstone's subscription school kek. Costed me $30 a month, and I didn't learn a damn thing. He listed close to several hundred rules on composition, but when I analyzed manga that I liked I realized none of his rules held up. His rules didn't even apply to stuff that was past the Renaissance, like with Baroque paintings.

>>7167250
I never studied with that guy and I don't believe in having to follow a hundred rules of composition. Who needs rules, just look at a lot of paintings and get a feeling for it intuitively.

I don't draw manga and know nothing about it

Some Baroque painters did use interesting geometric compositions (at least I know that Rubens did, check out the Painters Secret Geometry book in the booklist) and you can see that structure missing in the fake ones Samson and Delilah
https://www.inrubensname.org/

>>7167007
autistm and not even the good or funny kind

>>7167297
Link to book
https://annas-archive.org/md5/19f0d<wbr>5bd954a30e9c926d71da6b31759
I'm not saying you should put these structures in your work, or that they aren't some contrivance of the author - but it does not hurt to look at this and think about how your composition works as a geometric structure as a whole.
If you draw anime girls in the void this does not apply to you

>>7167007
Posted this on another thread but relevant here:

VeRy ImPorTAnT: https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-con<wbr>tent/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pd<wbr>f

That stuff is gold.

>>7168061
>https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-co<wbr>ntent/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.p<wbr>df
someone explain this to a retard like me

>>7168276
Conman tricks corporate boomers using science words

>>7168276
It's supposedly a logo rework paper made by a design firm, leaked by an insider. It's grotesque enough that it's reasonable to assume it's fake, but we don't know for sure.

I can nearly feel a coke addict (pun intended), sparking red eyes, drafting this like a frenetic, his eyes distending like crazy every time a "grandiose" idea rushes through his brain.


>tfw have drawn so much the past couple years I am physically and mentally unable to be afflicted by "Artist's Block"
>there's always something to draw, be it commissions, hentai requests, or personal passion projects
>tfw immune to Carpal Tunnel or hand soreness, can draw all day for multiple days continuously and never suffer any gay soreness in my hand
>tfw eyes never get tired either
Any other artists immune to this shit like me now? Feels good my niggas ngl

>>7166749
I've been like you. It took me about 5 years of pure success to start being meh about my stuff.
Now, after a few years of apathy I'm finally regaining my old self.

Not immune but I can go bretty much all day without feeling the physical strain. When I do, usually after around 10 or so hours of (interrupted) drawing, I just finish up whatever I'm currently doing and head to bed. I do get pretty significant mental fatigue though, and I'm a bit envious of people who seem to be able to work at >75% speed/efficiency for hours and hours on end because if I'm not rushing to finish something then I tend to just plod along at half the speed I could be working.<br>Over the years I think my eyesight's gotten slightly worse, but I'm unsure if that's a symptom of my lifestyle catching up to me or just of age. In any case, while I can't related to the people who are unlucky enough to have wrist or back problems even early into their art career, I do feel bad for them. I wish there was something I could do for them.

>>7166851
dang 10 hours holy moly. How do you do it? Did you learn to focus like that?

>>7166749
I think that's pretty common if you enjoy drawing. Only thing that personally holds me back right now is lack of free time

>>7167020
I just have a lot of shit to do. I make comics, it's no joke. If don't draw at least this much I fall behind.

>>7166749
I think I'm getting there. Its for a different reason, that being that ive desensitized myself to drawing by drawing every day. I stopped last year and began again this april and its been a good month so far. Ive beeb ramping up that daily requirement from what used to be 5 minutes to 1 hour now. Ontop of that, like you said commissions have been seeiously helping to keep that streak alive.

>>7166749
Thanks for the free art back in the day man

>>7166749
I'm like you in everything but eyes getting tired. Sometimes gotta take a break. Nice to see you're still around Shinda.

>>7166749
Based dariusfag, good to see you're still alive and kicking

>>7166851
I used to have issues but I've pushed so far past them idk what it was, but my wrist is basically iron now and I can never get tired. Maybe mentally I'll get tired but as soon as I wake up I instantly start drawing again refreshed (plus the Monster Energy Zeroes always help w/ focus).
>>7167033
I enjoy art and the results of enjoying art.
>>7168860
For sure bro, plus having a dedicated fanbase constantly throwing ideas at you and going bonkers when you post something they love is cathartic as fuck.
>>7169069
>>7169105
>>7169123
To this day, it was always an honour to draw for you /lolg/ niggas.

Remember, that period was legit when I stopped drawing with pencil/paper +started drawing Digital Art seriously for the first time ever and ya'll helped me with that.

It's good to hear from you guys too, I'm still here and my art career has been going fantastic, I don't play League anymore cause I'm permabanned but it's good, more time to DRAW League + much more profitable.

Thank you brahs, hope /lolg/ is doing well <3

so you're /beg/, that's cute. If you're excited about drawing and are always improving, then you will hit the plateau soon and be miserable like the rest of us. Enjoy your little moment of happiness while you can.


Imaishi and Yoshinari literally have significantly better technical skill and more professional feel to their art than 99% of actual manga artists.

Of course. Have you even tried animating?

Mangakas are writers and directors. Animators are the grunt, slave labor artists who have to flawlessly draw a character turning in space, while preserving volumes and timing it to natural movement.

animation is the best way to secure drawing fundamentals

>>7167168
Manga artists are worrying about panels, backgrounds and plot. Animators got to grind action and angles for thousands of hours with proper standards.

>>7167168
well yeah. the nature of animation means they draw more. but I don't think posting 50+ veteran old heads is a fair comparison.

>>7167168
share this book pls
also anyone else pls post more sketchbooks of animators to copy and learn from
i already have Yoh and the Atmosphere ones

>>7167168
>Are animators significantly more skilled than mangakas on average?
Masashi Kishimoto said something like this on Naruto manga extra pages. When he was learning to draw, he noticed that anime animators were better on average so he started learning from them, and anime character designers.

>>7167483
>he noticed that anime animators were better on average
Picrel is a print from Naruto manga volume 15.

>>7167497
b-but the seething trannoids here told me to stop copying anime

>>7167544
you only say "pyw" when someone is making grandiose claims about their own art.

It's not something you say to just anything you don't like or ticks you off.

It makes you come across like a younger sibling copying the way their cooler, older siblings talk, without really understanding the nuance behind the slang. It's kinda disgusting actually.

>>7167544
i love when tourists try to use slang and fail miserably and expose their newfaginess

>>7167547
>>7167575
dudes, people asking people to pyw for any claim they make has always been a thing in here. WHO'S THE TOURIST NAO.

also pyw.

>>7167482
Tatsuyuki Tanaka: Cannabis Works 1 & 2

Mangakas are better artists in general. The top animators are probably better than the best mangakas.

>>7168053
>Mangakas are better artists in general
Manga artists are worse on average, just look at the garbage you can find on manga shit like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen and compare it to any frame of their anime.
The best manga artists are on another level tho.
Miura, Takehiko and even Murata are literally on their own level, so no anime animator come close to them, but your average manga artist is shit and they learn to draw by tracing manga unlike anime animators that learn art fundies and anime animators draw a lot more.

>>7168343
i would like to know a detailed answer to this question too

>>7168343
copy every frame of your favourite anime

>>7168621
Any idea what happened to that website hosting all the episodes? I remember it was being ran by a terminally ill homeless guy travelling around europe with a stray dog he named Pluto.

>>7168762
Actually the videos still work in the archived version but they load really slowly.
https://web.archive.org/web/2023081<wbr>4165443/https://www.naokiurasawa.co<wbr>m/chiba-tetsuya/

>>7167482
I think this is one of imaishis books
>>7167168
These are eyecatches or drawings made for this book. That should be compared to manga covers.
Also i dont think its accurate to say this, there are plenty of good and bad artists in both fields

>>7168343
find the key poses of a shot and copy them/understand them

>>7167547
No, you also say it to ppl u suspect are perma begs because their opinion is ill informed
Pyw

>>7168343
Read picrel
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series<wbr>.html?id=121915

>>7168778
there's some good stuff in here

>>7168343
You don't get the skill of animating until you actually animate.

What I mean is, you don't understand how rigorously animators have to keep the volumes consistent from frame to frame. Illustrators, mangakas, all other artists are incredibly loose, by comparison. Nobody knows the strictness that animators have to adhere to, without actually trying it out themselves.

>>7168778
A really good read, so far. Thanks for the rec.

>>7168977
can a beginner realistically animate traditionally with a peg bar. i refuse to switch to digital but id like to get up to doing walk / run scenes.


What's a good, brainless drawing exercise I can grind while binging youtube videos? Is there anything a bit more advanced than stuff like primitive forms (pic related)?

>>7167181
theres a plethora of brainless exercises you can do such as quick gestures, form manipulation, wireframing, image breakdowns, etc,just gotta challenge yourself enough to get something out of them or use them as warmups

>>7167797
which ones are your favorites / most effective?

>>7167923
i just cycle through whichever ones deal with subjects im the weakest in (all of them) but i try to do form manipulation and gestures the most since im focusing on figures and being able to describe forms are going to help you be able to draw anything since everything is form

>>7168846
another one is box rotations and having volumes or objects inside rotate in them, its a good way to intuitively feel perspective but it hurts my smooth brain after a while bc it takes a lot more focus

The thinking and effort put into practice directly scales with what you get out of it

>>7168846
>>7168899
how do you judge if you're improving or if you did a good job? When you copy from ref, you can just compare your drawing to your ref, but with form exercises it feels like you're just shitting things out

>>7169063
youre just gonna have to see and ask yourself if it creates the form you wanted asking yourself (or others) "does this wireframe describe the form accurately" is this what a cylinder would look like stretched, cut, or attatched to another shape look like" "does this box look like a box rotating or does the volume inside look like its rotating along with the box" etc etc and if the answer is no figure out what is breaking that illusion of form and correct it, eventually like all things, with enough practice itll be second nature and you can intuit and shortcut

>>7169135
do you think there's merit in drawing cubes from life?

>>7169135
i think itd be good for angle sighting if you know how to do that since a boxe's angle is going to probably be the easiest thing to replicate

>>7170600
oopsie this was meant for >>7170379
another thing for mindless exercises is just doodling from imagination or doodling things around you and applying what you know to those doodles, shouldnt take too much brain power if youre not focusing too hard and will probably help you get a better intuitive understanding of the fundementals you know

>>7167181
You should just make AI art . You can even make a quick AI artwork while you're at a convenient stopping point while playing a video game.

>>7170600
>>7170603
yeah, I guess the conclusion I'm coming to is toj ust focus on what I'm doing, when I'm doing it kek

thanks for the advice fren

>>7167181
What type of ADHD question is this? Draw from life if you want to git gud, otherwise you're just wasting time.