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I'll Loan You My Body - Gyaru Edition edition.

Previous thread: >>10990604

Could someone help me find a doujin? It was a work in progress where they boy-turned-girl was possessed by a demon after stealing something or other from a witch and after failing to turn him into an incubus decided on a succubus instead... she was eventually exorcised and had the opportunity to turn back to normal but gave in and had fuck

>>11001246
[Arisane / Arisa Yoshi] Popularity
https://exhentai.org/g/2659196/7686<wbr>6529ad/
https://exhentai.org/g/2863378/4eb0<wbr>e1eefe/
He was such an idiot passing up the chance and ending up turning himself into a succubus. But i certainly enjoyed reading it.

>>11001848
I don't get the last lines, what did she fail to do, exactly? I thought getting fucked would be enough to raise the spirit m's power.

>>11002074#

They never actually drained his energy I think. In the past comics there’s usually a visual magic drain effect. This time they were just too much into the sex

>>11002108
I like the idea of a guy being turned into a succubus and being terrible at it. Like she doesn't know how to use her succ powers since she's never used magic before so she's stuck in this constant "starvation" state where she's desperate for dick and just submitting to the whims of a man/men in her life. Then all the other succubi are like, "Damn, she's following his every order, just feeding his ego. What a disgrace to succubus kind." Without a master succer to guide her she just becomes a plaything that follows orders for a chance at the D

>>10991840
Something with gothic lolita for the cosplay, for starters.

>You have to pick a girl of your choosing
What does that mean? I have to select from a bunch of girls or I get to design my own? Do I intuitively know what multiplier I'll get for whatever I pick?

>>10992087
Personally I'd be more on board if I was able to get the spending money after being transformed. For me, the situation would be a lot more palatable that way. Maybe a magical contract that guarantees me a ton of money in exchange for being a sex slave, rather than one where I might get one or the other. Or being transformed even when I win but not becoming a slave.

>>10997090
>>10997344
By default, I'd rather not fuck anyone if transformed, unless I get something really good out of it.

I commissioned AI Matsuri pics. Worth it?

>>11002980
>Paying for AI
A fool and his money are soon parted.

i feel like i've scraped the bottom of the barrel in terms of content and anything left veers too hard into stuff i don't care for.

>>11003090
Okay. Sorry to hear that, I guess?

Bertrand from KamiKatsu has to be one of my favorites if not favorite genderbend. Even though it’s a poof tf, everything else about it is perfect.

He doesn’t want the change and is regularly humiliated, often to the point of tears, has a breakdown when the new body ends up having feelings for a guy and has tanned skin + blind hair. Wish there was more like it.

>>11002982
this one even has a signature leftover, you're a moron to pay some something you could make yourself

>>11003125
>regularly humiliated, often to the point of tears,
I shouldn't enjoy it, but her teary eyes is just making her so damn adorable.

>>11003125
>Even though it’s a poof tf, everything else about it is perfect.
Even the MC. He's a nearly remorseless asshole willing to manipulate her into whatever he wants, but has nebulously good goals and isn't evil in any real sense. It's almost a shame that the show isn't about TF.

>>11003325
>I shouldn't enjoy it, but her teary eyes is just making her so damn adorable.
Girls are cutest when they're almost retarded or on the verge of tears.

>>11002677
>she's stuck in this constant "starvation" state where she's desperate for dick and just submitting to the whims of a man/men in her life.

That could turn out kinda wholesome maybe. Like the succubus turned into a faithful wife of some dude and just makes a Fuck ton of children

>>11003339
>Girls are cutest when they're almost retarded or on the verge of tears.
it's not fair. It makes me want to take care of them but also exploit them

>>11003339

>It's almost a shame that the show isn't about TF.

Agreed. It’s too bad since it seems like Bertrand fully accepts being a girl at the end of the season, so there might not be as many good scenes of her if I read the manga.

>>11003325

Physical displays of genuine emotions tend to sweeten the deal

>>11003589
>Physical displays of genuine emotions tend to sweeten the deal
You're right. That is definetly one of the reasons i love it.
"Just kill me" and where would be the fun in that?

Imagine a Matrix situation where every man is like Switch.

During the war with the machines, a bioengineered plague prevents fetuses from becoming male regardless of their genetic sex. Every human is female, but the would-have-been men still think like and identify as men which is why they are male in the Matrix. Reproduction is accomplished with gene-splicing genetic-males with genetic-females to create a viable embryo between the two.

>>11003631
Imagine a Matrix situation but instead it's just some men that are actually men in the Matrix and female in the real world. As the actions of the heroes lead to the downfall fo the machines, they're forcefully brought back to the real world and forced to live as women, they represent an extremely small minority so most people either don't believe them or think they're freaks, and they're forced to live in perpetual humiliation because their manly bodies and probably more successful and independent bodies were nothing but an illusion

Why are bad ends and such so common when it comes to gender bending hentai?

>>11003589
>o there might not be as many good scenes of her if I read the manga.
the manga still has a few of those scenes

>>11002980
>commissioned
>a lot of AyaTora AI shit on pixiv for free
Better to donate to real artists.

>>11003343
I like the way you think, anon. Losing herself to the bliss of domestic servitude is the best fate for a TF protagonist to fall to

>>11004018
That's just a cute girl in love, no delicious TG shenanigans or complex feelings there.

>>11004125
And what about this one? The TG stuff is mentioned here.

I don’t mind it when they start lezzing out

>>11004050
I edited this TLR-Darkness page (Rito x Lala) in Photoshop for Ayakashi thread. (Where are the donations for me?!!!)

>>11002980
It doesn't even look like Matsuri.

>>11004184
Yabuki draw three things that AI can't replicate: a choker, a hairpin and a womb tattoo.

>>11002980
>paying for AI commissions
Dude. Just do it yourself. Nigga probably used a Lora.

>>11002980
You should commission a caption to go with it. Then turn around and sell the combo AI art + caption on patreon.

Here’s a funny idea
>Gay man
>Gets TG’d
>Happy cuz it means he gets to fuck dudes
>Slowly becomes a lesbian

>>11002980

Yes. If you didn't pay a human artist price of $400 per 3/4 body pic, it's fine. It's slightly better than the usual slop, but looks low effort. You need to make more specific requests.

>>11004324
>probably used a Lora.

Yeah, some people can produce art in a way that you can't. The whole fucking point of commissions.

>>11002980
LMAO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF YOU RETARD
holy shit how stupid can you be? you paid for ai pics??
This is not even good... He left in the fucking signatures and the fucked up hands... He didnt inpaint shit.
How much did you pay for these?

>>11004723
We've discussed variants of this idea so many times. It never stops being good.

>>11001257
Hopefully that second chapter gets coloured. This is the best take on the TSF succubus trope I've seen yet. The idea of the succubus being molded by the desires of the lover is a super hot idea and makes sense for a demon devoted to sex

>>11003589
>Agreed. It’s too bad since it seems like Bertrand fully accepts being a girl at the end of the season

My theory is that Bertrand was originally born a girl and got turned into a man by the Empire. That's why Mitama restored Bertrand as a woman. Mitama not only cannot ve tricked by illusions but is incapable of perceiving them. So, Mitama didn't realize that Bertrand was currently a man and restored her completely and that includes the form she would have had if not for the Empire.

>>11004749
https://civitai.com/models/19413/ma<wbr>tsuri-kazamaki-female-or-ayakashi-t<wbr>riangle
I really hope you are legitimately retarded, because otherwise it's just sad.
Learn how to use Stable Diffusion.

Alright yes or no, if you became a girl anon would you willing hold hands in public

>>11005467
>>11005466
Ok what the fuck is this incognito bullshit deleting images

Posting a bona fide classic TGTF story (well, more like a novel with its length)

https://bigclosetr.us/topshelf/fict<wbr>ion/37563/changeling-chronicles

Just finished Kashimashi.
Honestly, by itself it's a very okay romance anime despite the y*ri. But as far as gender benders go, it was really disappointing. The protagonist, Hazumu, immediately accepts his new gender and starts acting feminine literally in the first episode. The whole gender bender aspect just feels like a throwaway as if the writers were too scared to just do yuri on its own and just wanted some sort of excuse to make girls fall in love with each other.
Again, decent anime by itself, but the gender bender aspect of it was so horribly handled

where can I find sapphirefoxx stuff? Theres barely any on exhentai

>>11005466
Handholding is too lewd for public settings regardless of what situation you're in.

So really why is yuri in TG such a turnoff for you?<br>I think it’s cute

>>11005882
Yuri is cute.
Guys turning into girls and getting flustered over guys is cuter.
Really it just kinda goes against what I like about the fetish. I prefer to keep the two separate, but what you like you like.

>>11005882
Other way around, I'm only interested in combinations of girls, traps and futa.

There's a doujin where some guy with a phone turns his enemy into a girl from a MMO game and then fucks her, then after a while he turns back. He continues to do this until he mind breaks him by levelling her up. It's because the guy deleted one of his characters or something...

Does anyone remember it?

>>11005923
I love it when a guy is turned into a girl and then gets taken by an enemy. Who then turns into a lover.

The sharp contrasts against both the alignment and sex is extra diamonds.

>>11006103
>There's a doujin where some guy with a phone turns his enemy into a girl from a MMO game
I'm pretty sure it's this one? (S)he turns into a character from a gacha game though.

Genjitsu Douki Gacha Nekura Otaku no Yome Chara ni Saserareta Ore | Reality-Synch Gacha How I got Turned Into The Waifu of a Gloomy Nerd

>>11005923
What about a guy turning into a girl and getting flustered over girls somehow

>>11005882
It's only a turn-off if it devolves into futa.

>>11005882
because it basically erase the entire inner humiliation part of it, becoming a girl and getting flustered by a boy talking to you is a lot more humiliating because it's something that wouldn't have happened if they didn't get transformed, it's something that reflects their new appearance and their new body
meanwhile a boy being flustered over a girl isn't new or exciting, a girl being dominating isn't either, there's nothing involving the TG I could relate to
Yuri just feel like willing TG and that's lame and not my taste

>>11006886
>Yuri just feel like willing TG and that's lame and not my taste
Nothing wrong with willing TG, in fact that's by far the best outcome.

>>11006886
Honestly I like TG for reasons outside of that

>>11006918
>>11006941
different strokes for different people, but seeing someone enjoying the TG is a complete turn off

>>11006951
Who said they were enjoying it

>>11006951
>Doesn't like seeing people enjoy TG
Then I guess I don't like seeing you enjoy TG.

>>11006886
>liking humiliation
For what purpose, there's enough misery in the world as is.

>>11007043
Something something pride and diginity.

Getting TG'd and being forced to act like a hyper-feminine caricature of one's former masculine self tends to get the neurons firing for some.
Perhaps it's just the contrast for others. Though why you wouldn't just consume regular romance stuff with a shy girl main lead being forced to be daring compared to what >>11006820 said is a little confusing for me.

No matter. Different boats for the sailors and all that.

>>11007064
Shit, I meant to tag >>11006886. Fuckin' half-wit brain 'o mine

>>11007043
This general can just be renamed to "humiliation general - tsf edition" cause people here seem to like the humiliation part more than the gender bending part. Add in 4chan's natural love for ntr cuckery and you get this sorry group of human beings.

Yeah, I'm fucking pissed 90% of gender bender is misery porn.

>>11007095
I get off on seeing a girl appropriately embarrassed or humiliated sure, but unlike that guy I'd also want her to be happy and enjoying it and feeling safe with me. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

There's a huge contingent of TSF as wish-fulfillment fetishists sharing this thread with an equally large number of TSF as degradation fetishists, and the two sides are constantly bickering because they effectively want opposite things from this fetish. Self-inserters tend to like yuri for obvious reasons, but degradationists will always feel like it's a cop-out.

Yurifags themselves are usually extreme purityfags and rank TSF as little better than surprise futa in terms of abhorrence, so people into TS yuri are forced to share space with two very different, typically opposed audiences that both view the subject matter as less than ideal.

It's kinda funny venturing into the FTM/defem threads that pop up here occasionally and seeing how unabashedly self-gratifying a lot of the stuff posted there is; feels like the self-inserters in those threads are tolerated far more, although that probably has more to do with how little content there is for defem stuff in the first place.

>>11007275
I'm a degredationist who's perfectly okay with yuri, what does that make me?
Threesome with me and two genderbent guys who are also getting it on with each other too, let's go.

>>11007275
I think all TG or TS or whatever the hell it's called is hot. That is all.

>>11007280
Unless you're also getting genderbent in this scenario, you're still fundamentally into genderbent guys getting dicked, making you a typical degradationist.

>>11007310
Nigga I'm here because it's my fetish and I masturbate to it

>>11007310
>for exploring trans dysphoria
Go back to your containment board, troon. >>>/lgbt/
YWNBAW

>11007310
>bait of this quality
Come on anon, try harder.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the cesspit of chatbots to drum up a genderbending scenario using KLK characters.

>>11007293
Rather than say I'd be into getting genderbent too, I'd say that if it makes things better for them I wouldn't mind genderbending myself so long as I'm still top dog and in full control of everything.

>>11007310
Hello, you appear to be confused so I've created a helpful chart for you. Hope this helps!

>>11007315
That's how it works for all AGPs, Anonette.

>>11007275
Man, the Kampfer anime was disappointing.

friendly reminder:
>hide /pol/bait posts
>do not respond to /pol/bait posters

>>11007422
>Oh nooo don't forcefully turn me into a girl against my will and have lesbian sex with me that would be sooooooo awful.

>"Anon, quit being a faggot and just put on the dress. I have more pressing matters to attend to than to indulge your shitty AGP fantasy."

>Party pooper.

>"Yeah, yeah. Whatever. Woosh, you are now a girl. Have fun masturbating."

>....That was remarkedly disappointing.

>"No shit. Half the users here would prefer fucking you or being turned into a girl and being fucked by a dude after a long process of physical and mental transformation."

>Well that just seems cheap.

>"It's fap fuel. Take it or leave it."

>Do I at least get to do cute girl things with other cute girls?

>"This isn't Lucky Star. Now fuck off!"

>>11007315
This right here. Everyone here is either an AGP, or in denial about being an AGP (trannies fall under this category). If you're jerking off to it, it's not who you are underneath, nor were you born in the wrong body. You just get off to the idea of yourself as a woman.

>>11007450
That's too sensible. Instead let's have these posts get 20 replies so that it signals to all users that bait really does work here and gets under everyone's skins, but pretending it's out of moral and intellectual superiority.

>>11007537
>Everyone here is either an AGP
As for me I want to fuck these genderbent girls,
not be them. So you can call me gay because I want to fuck biological females. GB girls (those who were unwillingly transformed) are the ultimate tomboy type for me.

>>11007564
Yes, this. It is an extension of tomboy. I like a girl who is stubborn about not being a girl while being unable to escape her physical nature, and each time she dips her toe in femininity, as a favour to her parents or because she does it only on occasion for her boyfriend, it is a precious moment.
GB is that, except the timeline of actually being a girl starts later, not at birth, and also that while a tomboy can on a whim decide to be feminine one day, it isn't a huge deal, for a GBed person with a male ego, each step in that direction is like shattering their idea of self, a decision they may never come back from, knowing what they've done.

>>11005882
>>11006886
>>11007275
What about those that don't want to be with anyone at all after the TG?

>>11007275
I’m both a self-inserter and a voyeur, but strangely when I’m a voyeur I don’t like seeing the guy being unwillingly transformed or unhappy in general. I don’t know if you’d call it being a wuss, but I never liked seeing TF subjects being humiliated or scared/upset. At worst maybe they’re surprised at first but still overall aren’t bothered by the change.
I also enjoy watching both guys and girls transform and frequent the defem/FtM threads too, and I’ve definitely noticed much more willing TF content there. My armchair theory is that maybe it’s because a girl turning into a guy isn’t as inherently humiliating as the opposite, or it’s even seen as an ‘upgrade’.

Also seconding that I liked the premise of Kampfer (superpowered opposite sex alter ego) but the anime didn’t do it justice.

>>11007564
>>11007597
I’ve always found TSF to be at least a bisexual fetish, since the whole appeal is that the girl used to be a guy, and thus a guy is part of the sexual focus (that is if you’re not self-inserting).

>>11007616
That would be me lol. And most post-TSF scenarios I’ve imagined.

I favor the actual transformation itself over what happens after, so yuri or straight endings doesn’t matter too much. Solo endings where the TG’d character just becomes a coomer are underrated.

>>11007641
I'm the >>11007597 anon.
I won't say I have the most vanilla sexuality possible, or else I wouldn't be here, but the idea of a guy's body is revolting to me, so I wouldn't say I'm bisexual. Also, this, which I consider a fetish, only can work in the abstraction of anime. I've never seen a live action scene that I found hot (including the mtn dew commercial). Beyond the fact that magical transformation doesn't exist, if it did, and someone told me they got magicked even as early as in the womb, well it would be like a girl saying "btw I have children from another man and I don't want any more". One hell of a hurdle to get over mentally, 99+ times out of 100, I probably couldn't get over it.
More power to anyone who doesn't have such a hang-up, I'm just saying what's true for me.
Anyway, I haven't fully figured out why my brain has all these different rules. All I can do is report on them for your curiosity and you can draw your own conclusions about my case.

>>11007651
I'll dump some images because I've been writing a lot of text-only posts lately.

>>11007319
>using KLK character
do explain what said KLK scenarios will involve

>>11007690
Use your imagination, anon.
The things basically write themselves.

>>11007043
This might sound strange but there's different types of humiliation.
Shit like being forced to walk around but naked or being permanently stuck wearing some sissy outfit like some old milda7 is a bit too much of a turn off.

But if there's a decent bit of "well if it isn't the consequences of my actions" aspect to the humiliation and it's fairly light, I can get behind that. Stuff like being caught red handed trying to use a lady's or couples discount, being forced to admit bras are necessary, etc etc.

>>11007275
Honestly I don't even dislike self inserting, it's only grating when it turns into a "everyone accepts me for who I really am inside!" type of thing, mostly because at that point there's nothing really interesting going on. I like it when the willing MC takes advantage of the fact no one recognizes them as a girl and does shit like peeping on girls in the locker room, seducing guys to try to get something off of them (and unintentionally giving them more than just a tease), or teasing their clearly uncomfortable friends who are aware of the transformation. Though I guess the reason you mostly only see this with possession and body swap doujins is since at least one person is potentially suffering as a result

>>11007043
You know what they say, “misery loves company”

>>11007095
>Yeah, I'm fucking pissed 90% of gender bender is misery porn.
This.

Perhaps equally as shitty is that a lot of willing TG content has “trans” stuff in it. I just want to fap to a guy undergoing an erotic transformation into a 10/10 girl, not someone’s “trans egg” manifesto.

>>11007747
>you mostly only see this with possession and body swap doujins is since at least one person is potentially suffering as a result
Funny enough, I’ve also noticed that possession/bodyswap/skinsuit plots have willing genderbend set-ups that are much more interesting than the standard “internal conflict” plot.

My personal favorite story type is probably “alter ego” back-and-forth TF stories like Kampfer. Especially if the genderbent self has special powers or abilities the normal self doesn’t.

>>11007275
i guess i'm a sadist, because i enjoy turning boys into girls, then doing some foreplay, teasing and penetrate them too.

You like gender bender because you like the idea of a guy turned girl being embarrassed and humiliated because of them liking and/or getting it on with guys suddenly.

I like gender bender because women are fucking stupid and men make better women, my liking the girl being embarrassed and humiliated is completely unrelated and would generally be for things that any girl would feel the same way for.

We are not the same.

>>11007764
https://nhentai.net/g/317157/
https://nhentai.net/g/316834/
Once again I am reminded of these two

>>11002677
that implies if the other succubi showed her how to drain men properly she’d become hopelessly addicted to it

>>11007690
I did wonder what would happen if a male student got put in the mold

>>11005509
Thanks for posting this. I'm about halfway through and really enjoying it so far.

Weird idea I thought up after remembering a ‘wish granting’ thread from a while back.
>a genie (or some such character) offers a guy the once in a lifetime chance to turn into a girl
>he even choose what type of girl he wants to be
>age, boob size, personality, etc.
>he’s very indecisive and the genie doesn’t have all day
>either he hastily asks for his wish or the genie grants it for him
>he finds he has turned into not *a* girl, but multiple girls
>each one represents his tastes, exactly how he wanted
>now has to awkwardly navigate the world as a hivemind of three (or more) cute girls
>hilarious hijinks ensue
Could be a unique way to generate conflict in an otherwise technically willing TG scenario.

>>11007913
>now has to awkwardly navigate the world as a hivemind of three (or more) cute girls
From a college teacher's perspective, female students already act as hiveminds on their own.
Fun idea, though.

>>11007913
I had a similar idea.
>mc plays theif in favorite mmo, plays a girl to stare at asses all day
>some kind of digital catastrophe causes all mmo players to get stuck inside as their characters, the usual shit
>the theif class is actually a gang of 3 people
>now mc is stuck as 3 cute girls all at once

My idea was that the 3 separate people would play with aggro and setups, that kind of thing. Also, the 3 bodies are less of a hivemind and more like 3 separate limbs to one mind

Also just realized an extra humorous angle the ‘hivemind’ idea could take.
>each girl has a different preference in dating
>to represent the different TSF ‘endings’ and the original guy’s varied tastes
>one girl is straight, one girl is a lesbian, and one girl doesn’t want to date anyone but keeps getting approached the most out of all of them anyway
>an extra layer of mindfuck on top of being multiple girls at once

>>11008002
lol, true enough and thanks.

>>11008046
That’s a great variation of the idea. There’s a lot of interesting ways to depict the multiple bodies aspect, has good storytelling potential.

>>11001182
I really like this, i usually avoid bodyswap stuff since i'm not really into it but this take on it is very good

>>11007564
>>11007791
Hawt, would like to rp some time?

>>11007913
It's an interesting idea, but the hivemind aspect sounds like a nightmare to write for. I'd kind of expect mostly an amalgamation of personalities there rather than individuals struggling to work as a team unless the "hive" part of the mind is the male MC's mind tard wrangling his female bodies, but without enough mental bandwidth to manage all of them at once. More of an overmind, really. Some kind of weregirl situation where the MC either shifts forms and quirks/tastes imperceptibly to those around him or when no one is looking might be easier to tackle.

>>11007866
>>11007737
>>11007690
Yeah, but molding/body compression isn't quite TG. Unless it slaps in some sex altering chemicals in which case sure. And life fibers are magical mcguffins anyway.

I was just gonna do something basic bitch like a prototype kamui test gone wrong.

>>11007913
Agree with >>11008169

Cute idea, but would be very cumbersome to write in practice. I'd probably nix the hivemind idea entirely and just have it focus on three different girls each representing some aspect of his personality; a Freudian trio would be the obvious route here, but a maiden, mother, matriarch dynamic could also be fun.

>>11008240
Another idea similar to this would be if they're all perfect copies of the MC's mind to start out with, but being in different bodies with different roles, each ending up having slight mental deviations from each other over time.

>>11008240
>Cute idea, but would be very cumbersome to write in practice.

Only if it's a live-link hivemind.

Do it asynchronously. Each of the girl is an individual instance of the original person, but they have some way of synchronizing their memories every so often. Maybe it happens if they kiss one another, or maybe it happens to the whole group on their birthday each year, or something else.

>>11008314
Sorry I don't remember. Perhaps off some e-hentai image set. And yeah almost certainly AI.

>>11008319
sigh the saddest thing about finding a really cute image is that you cant browse the artists profile for more

This gender swap was a real let down. I probably shouldn’t have expected much, but when I read the spoilers about it happening I got super hyped, only for it to be a quick one second transformation.

Then when the anime adapted the scene they had minimal animation and didn’t even get a voice actress to do a few lines for it.

It was especially disappointing since One Piece managed to have one of the best tsf scenes in all of anime before the time skip.

>>11007043
A man becoming a woman is just inherently humiliating/embarrassing. Seriously imagine getting tged and then having to face your male friends afterwards, there's no way you don't get roasted for it.

>>11008450
>Seriously imagine [doing literally anything] and then having to face your male friends afterwards, there's no way you don't get roasted for it.
Can't.

>>11008308
>>11008240
>>11007913
I came up with an 'MC becomes multiple girls' premise a while ago that's one of those meme sci-fi brain scan wake up in the future scenarios.

Same setup as always: MC goes under to get his brain scan taken, or maybe he gets in a car crash and his consciousness gets digitized or something in an experimental procedure to try and save him or whatever. Cut to black, and then MC wakes up in a pod that's draining, except he's in a female clone body.

Turns out in this sci-fi future, human cloning has been possible for quite some time, but the bodies always wind up braindead for some reason. Some mad scientist on a shoestring budget was trying his hand at it and acquired the digital rights to MC's brain scan/consciousness. He tried zapping it into the clone's head via some sort of transfer device, and lo and behold, it worked!

Because MC is the first success in a long series of failures, the mad scientist immediately uses copies of MC's consciousness to awaken other clones that are earlier in development.

The result is that the MC is the eldest sister of four, with her 'little sisters' being genetically identical and also having exact copies of his consciousness from the moment of the scan. I figure the sisters are distributed across ages ~10 - ~18, and the story is basically about how they all adjust to living in the sci-fi future. They all start as the 'same person', but wind up adapting in wildly different manners based on their peers and environment and how they're treated.

>>11007913
so if they had sex with each other would it be selfcest, masturbation, or regular sex

>>11007913
>>11008169
>>11008533
Common concept as of late in the more evil types of genderbender, which also borrow a lot of omnipotence aspects and are usually about power or beauty, rather than the setting unfortunately.
That said I guess.... it is about porn here so, the story aspect is mostly skipped. Most hentai lately is like DeusEx plot device, fap, sex (or get raped) end.
(no explanation or bare minimal explanation if any)
for example, Genderbender Virus. Protag wakes up pretty. What the--- (end of page 1) ahh ahh... feels good. (page 12) Guys! Look I am a girl now, wanna have sex?(page 13) Sex happens (page 20) end.
e.e;
Sharing multiple bodies, I think it would end up being so invisible you wonder even why that is a plot or why that plot is even there.

If any such manga would be made, it will look like "Already having sex with people or eachother or something" -- "you have no clue what is going on from the images" -- "text tells you that originally they were named rentarou, age 34 and he's somehow a hive mind. (because doctor, aliens, whatever), now he has fun with girls/guys/whatever setting.

Again the entire plot can be left out because the manga won't even show it.
So you need a story that includes hentai somewhere, but is not about it for it to be effective and interesting.
And yeah I think manga will be the best device to tell it properly, as ... if you write as a story it will be 'slow' in pacing and confusing, which makes it hard to read for most people. The problem with writing is, how do you write it in a way that makes the reader want to read.

But anyway, visual media will work better.
No clue how you'd do this in an RPG Maker game or whatever lol

>>11008331
That was just one page in the manga too, one of those sequence of what's happening with characters outside the main cast before a new arc star type deal, so nothing much they can do about it
Though it spawned some great fanart, there's this artist i follow on twitter that's obsessed with fem Law, their whole account is dedicated to drawing her

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>>11008240
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>>11008761
To clarify what I meant by ‘hivemind’ in my original post, I was definitely thinking something along the lines of an overmind that has to keep track of the bodies, and also has to keep in mind each girl’s personality and tastes when controlling them.

Although on second thought, an asynchronous thing could also work, with each of them being facets of MC’s personality and his favorite girl archetype (mother/maiden/etc.). But also because I like the idea of them having to kiss each other to re-sync kek

And yeah this kind of story would probably be best told in a visual medium combined with some writing (i.e. a manga with the occasional text wall).
Apologies for the mass-replyfagging.

>>11008690
My headcanon is that it would be like a self-orgy. I imagine that it would be like simultaneously having sex with girl, but being that girl at the same time.

any vtuber themed TSF stories?
>male gaming streamer struggling to find any success
>decides to become a babiniku vtuber
>starts using a voice changer and vtuber model
>feels stupid, why do something so embarrassing?
>it works, though
>couple people show up in chat and stick around
>starts to notice changes
>first with his vocal manerisms from pretending to be a girl
>that makes sense, can't break the habit
>but then physical changes start happening
>talks to chat about it, they play coy
>their favoirte streamer has always been like this, hasn't she?
>doesn't even need the voice changer anymore, sounds completely feminine naturally
>viewership keeps climbing
>stream content gradually shifts from gaming to lewd asmr
>body at this point is entirely female
>huuuuuge tits, fat ass
>first thought is to "accidentally" show them in frame in a handcam stream
>chat is mostly enamoured, with one guy going "wait, wasn't this a guy like a year ago?"
>personality mostly in tact, but gradually becoming more and more exhibitionist, until one day banned for breaking ToS
>wakes up the next day in his normal male body, back where he was before
>well, time for round 2

>>11008909
Unfortunately no stories come to mind, but I have seen TG sequences of male fans turning into their favorite vtubers.

That greentext is a great idea too. Love slow build transformations and ones that are repeated back-and-forth, especially if it's a time loop kind of scenario.

Anyone going to dump Hiiragi Popura's stuff since it's Fantia's turn to get fucked by visa and mastercard?

>>11009118
Those bastards really are on the war path, aren't they? Wonder how long it'll be until Skeb gets fucked too.

>>11005413
>gender bender + completely impractical hentai
Anyone got more of this?

>>11009311
I wonder how long until visa and mastercard get fucked.

With the number of times Japan's declining population was used as an excuse for hentai, you'd think someone would make a manga where herbivore males would be punished for not doing their part by being turned into women and forced to work in brothels and not allowed to used birth control so they can be used as breeding stock (though one comes close to it. Pic related)

>>11009480
Don't Japanese beta males just read NTR when they want to be shat on? There's plenty of rape if that's the goal otherwise.

>>11009421
>I wonder how long until visa and mastercard get fucked.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen

>>11009480
It would depend on if there’s enough of a market for masochistic AGP or sadistic voyeurs. Like other anon said there’s already a few hentai genres that cover different humiliating scenarios so there’s some competition on that end.

>>11008909
>>11008996
vtubers are trash
don't watch that stuff
I don't want that degeneracy everywhere so please don't; not here.
there exists manga with that subject/plot already. At least I have seen something similar.
TSF no F made something like that at least

https://www.patreon.com/AnyaArt

Had a lot of hope in this artist until the "COCK AND BUSSY" crowd took over. If you're subbed for actual GB might be best to just give up.

>>11009480
>say on internet i want to impregnate
>japan sends bunch of girls (former boys) so that the population number raises
i see that as a win

>>11009620
Not too bad, although my favorite of the kancolle stuff is the malicious bodyswap with Kaga. The ones with Kongou are too lighthearted.

>>11009682
I’ve also been noticing an influx of commenters on TG art (r34, e-hentai, etc.) saying they want the dick to stay or fuck the guy while he’s still a guy. Feels like it’s gotten more ‘bussy’ focused over time.

You know how the most common implementation of harpies in this genre is Monster-Girl Encyclopedia style kidnapping into transformation into going 'native'? I wanted a story where the going native part doesn't happen, or happens slower, and the harpy-ee stays civilized and mentally struggling with the transformation but still ends up reproducing.
So far most of this outline is about harpiness. Please give me suggestions to highlight tftg from an external perspective. Especially you people who are attracted to the transformees, I'm a selfinserter.

>"Is It Culturally Insensitive that We Eat Your Eggs?"
>Asked my harpy party member this one morning when we're short on rations
>"Uh, I don't think so. Not that I'm the best one to ask..."
>"Oh right, you said you didn't grow up with other harpies around?"
>"Yeah...just make sure to give me the shell, you guys forgot last time and threw it away."
>"What for?"
>"I eat it, like potato chips."
>Remember one morning after we got a big payday
>Refused to give us her egg
>Wonder what that was about
>Huh, probably just cause we were loaded and had other options?

>"Do you wear pants for cultural reasons? The harpies we fight always have skirts."
>Has no hands, so struggles with buttons
>"...Let's go with that as the reason. Yeah, I just grew up wearing pants."
>Did someone help with that?
>"Then do you want me to help you with that?" Her bag buckles.
>"H-huh? No, I, I got it. I can dress myself."
>Mumbles something
>"Not like he hasn't..."
>Huh? Who's she talking about?

>"It's definitely insensitive to pack her bedroll up for her, culturally or otherwise."
>"Shut up you. She's taking forever today, we have to get going."
>Huh, there's an egg in here
>She definitely gave us one today already
>Has she been holding out on us? Does she just lay two sometimes?
>"Hey! Get out of my stuff!"
>"Sorry, sorry..."

>"Is there a cultural reason all the harpies we see are women?"
>"There have to be harpy men somewhere, right?"
1/2

>>11009874
>"Why are you guys asking me? I wouldn't know, I don't even speak the language"
>"Well, you sang at that one group once right? It was pretty."
>"That, um, that wasn't really talking."
>Wonder what it was then
>Huh, a few birds are singing their territory songs in the forest

>"Are you sure you're okay taking middle watch?"
>"Yeah, yeah..."
>She's clearly going to fall asleep
>Best to stay up with her
>Huh, wonder if harpies are even more diurnal than humans
>Sitting by the fire helps keep her awake
>The flickering light brings out the iridescence in her feathers

>"Hey, what's it feel like when you lay eggs?"
>"I-idiot. I'm going to play the culturally insensitive card and refuse to answer."
>"That's not even a cultural question!"
>"Don't be too hard on him, sometimes your voice - "
>"Y-you guys can hear me?"
>"You don't always go very far."
>"Like the time we were stuck in those kobold tunnels. It echoed."
>Quiet for a bit
>"Most of the time it's just a chore..."
>Huh, she said most of the time
>What about the rest?

>"No way! Pick another job, I refuse to go that far up a mountain."
>"But you can fly, you're perfect for this kind of rescue."
>"It's too cold! And I suck, I can't carry anyone else."
>"Too cold? That doesn't make any sense."
>Harpies live and fly higher than anyone else usually
>"Um, it's just. Some of my things, they'd freeze. Potions and stuff. And we're broke so we can't leave anything here."
>"Yeah that's exactly why we have to take this job."
>"Look, all you have to do is get a rope across so a bridge can be built, not carry anyone."
>"And it's not like the rest of us don't have potions - "
>Huh, is this about that egg?
>"Actually you're right. If you can't then you can't. Let's find another job."

>"Can we two talk privately for a bit?"
>"Huh? Of course. What's this about?"
>"It's just...would it be culturally insensitive to ask who the father is, or if that egg going to hatch soon?"
>Obviously it's his but char. limit
2/2

>>11009874
>Please give me suggestions to highlight tftg from an external perspective.
Boyish things that people instead assume are harpyisms. Sitting with legs open accidentally showing off the goods, "oh I guess that's just how harpies sit, we don't really get to see them at rest very often". Hair rapidly becoming a disaster because they don't know how to care for it, "oh I guess harpies must groom each other rather than themselves, must suck for her to be on her own like this".

I have an idea for an entire manga basically.

It's inspired by undead unluck. In that show there's a concept of how "rules" are added to the world which change everything. Like time, death, disease, and sex was one of them. So sex was added and people thusly became girls.

I'd like to take that concept. I imagine a main cast of guys tasked by some gods to go on quests and find all of the missing rules that have been taken away from the world. Shit got fucked and now these concepts need to be added back into the world so shit functions. The rules are positive instead of negative. And yeah, everyone in the world currently is a guy. Everything got fucked and things have had to be re made essentially.

Eventually the main cast would find the "sex" rule and return it back to base. This would happen about 1/3rd to halfway into the story. Abd once this rule is brought back in, half of the entire cast will of course become girls (including the MC). I imagine the exact scene playing out with the characters having brought orb or whatever back that has the rule, and the god explaining to them that there's new going to be women along with men in the world so people can reproduce. This excites everyone until the god announces that half the population will be women, meaning half the "current" population who are at the moment all men. The main cast freaks out as they realize that some of them are about to turn into girls and people are dreading that they will be one of the ones to get turned. One by one half the guys are turned into girls. With the MC being the last one. His main rival now determined to slam his pussy. The hard ass leader general dude also becomes a hot chick.

It's permanent and the characters that turned live out the rest of the story and their lives as women with absolutely zero ability to go back.

to date i've never seen more precious tsf protag

total zach love

Is there any toxic yuri tg.<br>Like, a highly abusive woman sexually takes advantage of a TG’d guy

This chinese manga had lots of potential.
>Only men are born because curse.
>Elves help humans so they don't go extinct.
>Men can give their "orbs" to other men and become their wives.
>Men can also lose their "orb" in war and become the winner's woman.
>Every woman is a former male that gave or lost their orb.
>If a male that has an "orb" loses his own, he becomes a woman and the wives/women he took recover their orbs and become men again.
Surprisingly, there are no genderbender manga with similar premise.

>>11010150
[Natsuki Gumi (Natsuki Gumi)] TS Mesu Ochi ~Onnanoko ni Sarete Love Love Yuri Sex~ is the closest one I can remember off the top of my head

>>11010154
I was upset it didn't get continued.

I love the concept of winning and losing where two men compete at something and the loser is turned into a woman. There was a TG caption series that had a similar premise.
I'd love to make a battle royal manga where you have various characters competing in some large zone to see who's the last man standing.

Or a series where you follow a character as they fight/compete with other characters until they lose and get turned into a girl, then you following the winning character until they lose and get turned into a girl.

Gives me a similar idea. A cursed continent where only women can exist. Any man going there turns into a woman. So a bunch of kingdoms use it like Australia and ship most of their criminals over.

>>11010193
Reminds me of reincarnation coliseum. It’s like a shitty isekai where people have to fight eachother as basically gladiators, where the loser gets turned into a woman and the winners slave. The MC has only beat women until now though, and the genderswapping is only implied/ a looming threat for the MC, but it’s still kinda fun. They threaten him with turning him into part of their harem which is kinda hot. But it’s mostly shit otherwise.

>>11010210
I've read some of this. For me it doesn't really scratch the itch I would want out of this concept. This manga would only redeem itself to me if it ends with the MC finally getting defeated, turned into a woman, and railed mercilessly.

>>11010154
Huh. I shitposted a similar concept a few months ago. I wonder if I somehow heard of this before.

>>11004050
AI art is real art. I'm tired of luddites huffing copium saying it isn't.

>>11010225
Keep huffing that copium, piggy.

>>11010210
The first chapter had a few nice pages but it's been pretty meh since then.

>>11010154
I like TG where the concept of genderbending is actually ingrained to the worldbuilding
There's this one doujin i love where everyone is born sexless until a certain age where they would get sex ed through mass orgy where they can choose what sex they want and it start with a really boyish kid that choose to be a girl because they fell in love with a senpai

When are we going to have the technology to actually turn men into hot women so I can have my IRL gender bending scenarios? I hate how ugly trannies are.

>>11007854
I didn't really mean that but if it gets your rocks off then sure, that would happen

>>11010307
Technology is a massive monkey's paw, so either never, or in like 50 years with horrifying side effects.

>>11010307
We’ll sooner have advanced VR porn where you can realistically simulate turning a guy into a girl and then fugging after.

>>11010307

not in our lifetimes

even if they did have the technical knowhow right now, getting from there to a publically available medical procedure would still be decades if it ever happened at all

Anyone got the full ver of this Okayu TG? Need to fuel my niche obsessions of this vtuber and TG at the same time.

>>11010307
I formally present the Genderbending Tech Tree.

Stage Zero -- Chemical Alterations & Surgery (you are here):
>Not true genderbending
>Shitty results; only end up as a pale imitation
>Long, painful process
>Expensive
>Requires constant maintenance

Stage One -- Gene Therapy + Surgery (10-20 years):
>The above, but with whole chromosome replacement
>Achieved by customized viral agents
>Expensive, but no need for hormones(?)
>Technically turns your genome female, at least?

Stage Two -- Replacement bodies (~50 years):
>Requires technology to facilitate brain transplants, as well as vat-grown bodies without brains (so you can be transferred into it)
>True gender *swap*
>Will start out ridiculously expensive
>Requires many years of advance preparation
>Might be sterile; depends on the genome needed to grow the replacement body

Stage Three -- Nanomachines (~100 years):
>Will probably exist as general health-maintenance nanomachines earlier than 100 years, keeping you alive until the tech matures(?)
>First "real" genderbending
>Circulates through you, infiltrates every cell, causes targeted cell death/replacement to actually mold the body
>Perfect results; can no-doubt make you turn into whatever reasonable human form you want
>Takes a while; will be like going through a reverse-puberty twice over, physically speaking

Stage Four -- Human Plus (~150 years):
>Custom human genome optimized for nanomachine usage/adaptability
>Comes with a plethora of other random benefits, like not having blind spots in your eye
>Hey, no period or cellulite or anything else, too!
>Probably also ageless
>Probably best to just brain-transplant yourself into a new body and start from scratch

If you want to have any hope of walking this Earth as a cute girl with big tits and a big bubble butt, Anon, you absolutely -- ABSOLUTELY -- need to live a lifestyle that will let you live until 2075 at the earliest. No joke. And save up the equivalent of 5 million dollars.

I want to be genderbent into a big dick futa's wife

>>11010599
>If you want to have any hope of walking this Earth as a cute girl with big tits and a big bubble butt, Anon, you absolutely -- ABSOLUTELY -- need to live a lifestyle that will let you live until 2075 at the earliest. No joke. And save up the equivalent of 5 million dollars.

Most of my family lives to be in their 90s so I hope I have some longevity. I've always worked out but I've always had problems with my weight too. I yo yo a lot. I'm not a complete fat ass but I definitely need to loose like 30lbs. My check-ups are always good and my blood work is always good. Though I have hyperthyroidism that I have to take a beta blocker for. Very low dose though. Aside from that my doctor told me I'm very healthy. Do you think anti-aging will help me get to that date?

I want to be a chick so bad but I refuse to become a tranny goblin. I want a real pussy and wide hips. I'm willing to play a 50 year long con for it. I'm only 27 now so I'd need to make it to 78. Then I'll go from old man to cute busty cosplay girl. I want to have a lot of grandsons to before I turn into a girl, it'll be funny. Sorry grandpa is a chick now.

>>11010700
There's a good chance we'll have made a lot of headway into life-extension R&D by the time you're 70, at the very least. Still, obviously you're trusting the judgement of some random 4chan user, so there are no guarantees.

It's just, there's certainly a world where we make some kind of significant progress into the field of "letting people live in whatever body they want" by the time we kick the bucket, fellow 27-year-old.

>>11010706
I'm a different anon, but sadly I highly doubt we'll see any kind of advanced body changing or brain transferring technology in our lifetimes. Ignoring that some tech fields don't progress as fast as we hope they do (My dad's been told advancements to fix his blindness are "incoming" for about 20 years now), body changing tech will be politicised and shut down by politicians trying to make a statement against trans people, whether you agree with that or not.

That said, I do think we can see something like deep dive VR, where everything will look and feel like it's real, and that's good enough for me desu.

>>11010715
>In our lifetimes

If anti aging tech comes first then it will be in our life times.

>body changing tech will be politicised and shut down by politicians trying to make a statement against trans people, whether you agree with that or not.

I'm a right winger and imo this technology solves the trans issue. My issue trans people is that they are delusional attention seekers. I want to be a chick too but I'm not going to turn my dick inside out. They aren't women no matter what they do. If we make the tech allowing for actual sex change then the political movement dies. The bathroom debate dies. The contention is their belief you can "identify" as a woman. Identifying doesn't give me the fat tits and pussy I want.

>>11010718
I'm going to father a bunch of kids and donate sperm before I turn myself into a chick one day.

anyone got this pirated https://medibang.itch.io/nagikota-f<wbr>eel-the-pleasure-of-a-woman-in-your<wbr>-own-body ?

I wish there was a mainstream game where I could change my character into a sexy girl and the story actually recognized it.

>>11009421
>>11010618
>"Commander, commander! You look like a girl!"

>"I assure you that despite my outward appearance, I'm still the same commander you knew. Erm, give or take a few changes."

>"Is that why the buttons on your blazer aren't done up?"

>".....Yes. And I'd appreciate it if you'd stop staring at me. Now if I may be excused, some incident reports need filing."

>Fifteen minutes later~

>"Ugggh....My back is killing me. How the hell does Atago walk around all day with those udders glued to her chest? I hate this already."

>>11010618
Wish i could turn someone into a cute botegirl and play with her body afterwards

>>11010307
Never, because gender bender can only be done with literal magic and not technology or surgery and this fandom must be gate kept at all costs.

It's the "Ship of Theseus" on steroids, every single part has to be changed on the physical and molecular levels so hard as to literally alter history so that their body has physically always been a woman. It doesn't have to rewrite other people's memories too or anything like that, but the end result has to be the guy's spiritual essence, soul and memories has been poured into a body that is truly 100% of a female makeup from the ground up of which not any part no matter how small or insignificant of any type is the exact same as it was less than 30 seconds ago. Anything less ain't gender bender.

For it to be doable with technology would take a level of tech that would make the us of right now feel like literal cavemen being given a guided tour and explanation of a nuclear reactor.

>>11010721
>The bathroom debate dies.
Not quite. If it becomes easy enough to go back and forth between sexes as pretty much a convenience, then you just know there'd be some who would use it to perv in changing rooms or whatever in plain sight. If it's too expensive or difficult to do it at the drop of a hat then sure okay.

>>11011185
>For it to be doable with technology would take a level of tech that would make the us of right now feel like literal cavemen being given a guided tour and explanation of a nuclear reactor.

I agree with this assessment, going by the definition for genederbender you give.

But even then, its not a "never". Most problems, including this one, can be solved via brute force use of nanobots.

Is that scifi bullshit that wont be a reality any time soon? Absolutely.
But its not impossible.

And, while that dosnt meet yourdefiniton of genederbender (or mine for that matter), i would not be suprised if we see gene therapys to make X chromosomes, working womb transplants, ect within a few decades. Atleast if we, societaly, keep going down the woke transhumanist tranny spiral.

>>11011233
>But its not impossible
It really is though. And I don't mean that in the sense that it's impossible with our current level of technology, I mean that it's possible period. Technology can only develop so far.

>>11011233
As the other guy said, you're basically assuming with nothing more than blind faith that every single piece of sci-fi tech ever dreamed up by whatever author who had a fever dream that day that we will definitely be able to recreate it with "technology" some day, exactly the way it was dreamed of.
It's time to wake up.

>>11011246
>technology can only develop so far
Out of all your statements, this is the most unbelievable. Technology never stops developing. That's sort of the only unchanging constant of it. It's only going to get faster, too, now that we can deploy AI against problems like protein folding and drug discovery.

>>11011254
Listen, you can judge science fiction concepts based on a few criteria. Something can be technologically possible, monetarily possible, biologically possible, or scientifically possible. They don't all just get lumped in the same basket of "oh some sci-fi writer made it up and it's a 5-95 crapshoot whether it can actually happen or not." You can make certain assumptions that make given concepts more feasible than others, so it's not a blind faith. Like, body transplants, right. That tech is a future extension of the idea of head transplants, and head transplants have already been successfully done on animals in a way that didn't cause the animal to die immediately (after a few weeks, it croaked, but it did not immediately die, so it's presumably possible). Nanomachines are simply a more advanced combination of nanorobotics and gene-editing viruses, both of which already exist.

The only thing about predicting technology is that the specifics are often unimaginable. Like, the stereotypical item to think about is the flying car, and if you thought about that 20 years ago, you might go "oh well sci fi was wrong; we don't have flying cars," but we DO have them now. Strap a box to a big, fat quadcopter, and you do, in fact, have a "flying car." The specifics are very different from what was originally imagined for the concept, but by fuck we do have them if you're a hyper-rich asshole with more money than sense.

So, y'know, fusion energy, life extension, nanomachines, et cetera. I really don't think there's any grounds to absolutely declare them off-limits. It's not warp drive we're talking about, where it very well might just be completely impossible.

>>11011285
>but we DO have them now.
We don't. We have planes that have four bicycle wheels for a landing gear that identify as cars about as successfully as the average tranny does. That's not a "flying car" in the same way that a tranny is not a woman.

>>11011297
Any four-wheeled vehicle able to transport passengers (and I'll stipulate doesn't require aerodynamic lift to operate) is a car. So, yes, that is a car, and there is literally no argument you can make against that other than "it doesn't look like one!!!" They aren't planes, because planes need wingspans to generate lift. Flying cars do not need wings. That is a *fundamental* difference. We do have flying cars.

If you were talking about those cars with detachable wings and propellers from about 10 years ago and made a comparison to trannies back then, your statements would hold more water, but these days, statements like that are full of holes. Take a light car, strap four rotors on it, and it can fly. Ergo, it is a flying car. QED.

>>11011313
>https://autovista24.autovistagroup<wbr>.com/news/flying-car-given-clearanc<wbr>e-to-take-off/
Yes, that is literally what I was referring to, thank you.
>>11011315
>>11011315
>We do have flying cars.
>Any four-wheeled vehicle able to transport passengers (and I'll stipulate doesn't require aerodynamic lift to operate) is a car.
I literally do not give a shit if that's the definition of "car", because we're discussing "flying car" here. You cannot just break up the term into two separate words and call it a day, they're an inseparable whole. A flying car is a car that functions as a car while flying at all times when in active use, AKA a hovercar at bare minimum. Anything less than that is to dilute the term into complete irrelevancy, though I'll accept the Delorian from BttF because it can near instantaneously turn itself into a hovercar.

>>11011589
Commanders should be turned into custom-rigged botes.
To better enhance the synergy between them and the shipgirls under their command.

>>11011315
What's the sauce on that image?

>>11011185
>>11011246
>>11011254
Changing someone's sex is entirely possible theoretically. Put their brain into a female body, change every chromosome in their body and then edit their tissue, ECT.

The issue is these things aren't practically possible. Nano bot technology is very limited, and brain transplants aren't feasible. But these things are far from "impossible."

We are able to change the sex of adult mice by simply turning off one gene which causes testes to turn into ovaries or vice versa. The whole "changing DNA won't do anything because you already have the built house and changing the blueprint won't change the house." believe turns out to not be entirely true. Editing DNA in an adult can lead to physical changes. We do this now with certain genetic disorders in a very limited capacity. But the point is you don't even need to change whole chromosomes just one gene. No idea what the fuck would happen if you did this to a human though. It would be an interesting experiment if anyone was willing to volunteer for it.

>>11011315
I can't find this manga anywhere.

>>11011905
>Put their brain into a female body
Failed at the first step, still a male brain and not a female one.

>get isekai offer to world with magic

>choose female body because magic so anon can just regrow a dick when the novelty runs out

>20 years later graduate from magic academy, smoking hot chick with huge tits and already done with this shit

>anon likes the body but absolutely despises nearly every aspect of being a woman socially, and being a good looking makes it even worse

>draw up andronizing ritual, double check all the work, looks good

>uses ritual, nothing happens

>"what the fuck is this shit?"

>letter appears from thin air. anon reads it.

>'futa isn't really my thing. -sponsor'

>"Bitch this isn't even futa! It's full on man-mode ritual."

>another letter appears. 'my bad. sorry? I'll totally reincarnate you as a dude if you want next time, promise. -sponsor'

>>11011931
Totes me. Not a fan of futas. Should have chosen another God/sponsor. Trying to find loopholes may also bite you in the ass, so try to avoid doing them.
>>11011315
Damn is that Maken-ki? I remember one of the characters special ability was to reverse stuff, that what transformed the MC in a girl temporary.
Kinda spoiler but the girl who has that ability used to be a boy too, but liked being a girl better.

>>11011979
NTA but that is Maken-Ki. Specifically later on in the manga when Takeru and his buddy get "reversed".
Probably one of the older, rare instances of GB in anime/manga.

Then there's Kampfer.
We all know what happened with the anime adaptation.
>We all know.

>>11011984
>NTA but that is Maken-Ki. Specifically later on in the manga when Takeru and his buddy get "reversed".
Yeah. I remember the Ova for it was similar in nature but only Takeru got genderbent and nobody knew who she was at first.
Never got into Kampfer. Like i seen a few scenes popping up on youtube, but never watched or read the manga.

>>11011979
>Image
I love this meme, forcing someone to become a girl they're not into.

>>11012023
It's a neat idea to insert your fetish into someone or turn someone into their fetishized female form.

>>11011979
Eh, this looks more like they ran out of smelly NEETs and started giving out horny average titty goth GFs instead. Hardly anything to complain about, but still false advertising.

>>11002980
anon next time ask the thread first, we can genuinely do better than that. or paypig for NAI, even.
>>11003631
matrix does mean womb but fuck the wachowskis

>>11003589
its weird but i think tg'd girls fill a necessary niche for fenake characrers that's often missing: the overly shy girl

>>11005413
that makes sense. Jives with my idea that a lot of tfg stories are about a girl coming to terms with her womanhood rather than a man trying to obtain it (which is why them deciding to remain female is so satisfying)

>>11005882
male dominated fetish, lesbians don't have universal male appeal. also tends toward trantasy for some reason, >>11006886 also has good points

>>11007764
i'd agree more if kampfer werent dogshit

>>11007319
I wrote myself a fantasy like that, i just assumed men would be incompatible with jun/senketsu but they can alter their wearer's biology

>>11007597
yeah people don't seem to understand the girly streak is a necessary part of thw tomboy package. she might act masculine in some ways but she's biologically female and that will assert itself at times

>>11010718
fucking buy a cat or a dog

>>11012003
Honestly, can't remember. I want to say somewhere in the 40-60 range but that's likely to be very wrong. I'll have to look it up.
>>11012020
The anime starts off decent, but drops off hard sometime prior to the cancellation.
No clue about the manga but from what I've heard it's much better.
>>11012043
I did start a couple of draft stories for some IP-related GB stories. One of which was KLK but I never got round to moving beyond the firat paragraph. A testament to my lack of discipline.
Yeah, you can have the sex restriction on kamuis such that it would facilitate DNA alteration (iirc isn't that sort of what happens to Ryuko/Ragyo since they happen to be partly composed of life fibers?). Maybe some hapless mook gets recruited to test a prototype version of a sidegrade kamui but it goes awry and robs the sod of his dick.
Or maybe Ragyo needs a 'backup' in case her daughters proved to be unfruitful.
>Funnily enough that last one was going to be the premise for my story.
>>11011589
Glad you liked it.

Had this funny idea of an apprentice sorcerer's master going missing. Instead of giving up on his education or looking for another master, he decides to impersonate his master. This allows him to keep on using her tower for his own education and as a bonus it maintains her life for when she returns so he can play it off as being a good apprentice.

Guy runs himself into the ground for months before the master returns. She was captured by a dragon of all things and finally escaped. She's impressed that he was actually able to keep the tower running (barely) and maintain her obligations (at the minimum).

What he doesn't expect is that she now expects him to impersonate her as needed, including yearly vacations and business trips she doesn't want to bother with personally.

A decade later she's taught him everything he knows and offers the identity and tower to him. As it turns out the immortal mistress isn't actually immortal. It's a Dread Pirate Roberts thing where the identity keeps getting passed down. He saved her the trouble of looking for a female apprentice.

>>11011841
imagine all the forced dress up on the top of the usual sexual antics

>>11011925
But gender bending might involve only superficial characteristics; beyond is the old tf.

>>11011925
i mean its not like a woman with a transplanted male kidney is male

>>11012598
I didn't say it was. I'm saying that the bar for gender bender is that every last cell of the old (male) body has been transformed or otherwise changed into a new (female) body, within a time frame of approx 30 seconds or less. No keeping any part the same, including the brain cells.

>>11011925
>still a male brain and not a female one
Isn’t that a point of appeal in some genderbend stories? That the guy’s mind isn’t changed and the new girl acts like a tomboy.

>>11011931
This is why I’d just choose to reincarnate as a shapeshifting super being/God. That way no other beings can screw me over and I’d get to have whatever form I wanted.

>>11012043
>i'd agree more if kampfer werent dogshit
Fair enough. I was disappointed in the execution too.

>>11012226
Really neat idea, anon. I like the concept of the genderbend being a ‘duty’ the MC has to undergo and maybe even doesn’t mind it towards the end, leading to a happy ending (ha) as a fully embraced girl.

>>11012643
>Isn’t that a point of appeal in some genderbend stories? That the guy’s mind isn’t changed and the new girl acts like a tomboy.
I'm operating on soul logic, since we're talking about something as basically reliant on pure magic as gender bender I'm talking about the guy's memories and stuff being linked to the soul and being stored in the new brain.

When you move to a new city you usually take most of your personal belongings with you but you don't rip the house out of its foundations and bring that too, instead you decorate the new house with your belongings and get used to the new accommodations.
House = brain
Belongings = memories
You = soul

>>11012563
>"K-Kongou, I order you to stand down!"

>"Hehe~ Don't worry commander. I only want to see how cute you'll look in this dress."

>"That's-That's enough! By my naval authori-"

>"Banzai!"

>"AHHH! Stop that! D-don't touch ne ther-eeeeRRRRE!"

>"My, so sensitive commander. Who knew you would make an adorable maiden after all!"

>>11012649
>I'm operating on soul logic

faulty logic at best.

If your soul has a mind, then it also has the Components of Mind that make it up.

Automatic Mind - base instinct
Sensing Mind - the ability to interpret sensory information
Memory Mind - the ability to retain information
Emotion Mind - the ability to have emotions
Deductive Mind - the ability to gain insight by processing information
Ego Mind - generates drive/motivation
Core Mind - the inner 'you'

The soul would also have substance of its own kind in whatever place it exists to contain that mind. A metaphysical equivalent to the body.

Then there are incarnations. You may be part of a greater self, like a body part that can think for itself. This may impact your Automatic, Emotion, Ego, and Deductive minds in such a way that you feel free and do as you always have, but your actions are never truly outside the scope of your purpose.

me grug
me like watch man become woman
me enjoy deep psychological internality as represented through prose
me no care about theory
me penis go big sometimes

>>11012740
>Grug was summarily beaten over the head with a club by his neighbour, Grok.
>This had no bearing on the psychological instrospections of Grug's desires, neither was it a commentary on the constitution of one's essence.

>Grok just wanted Grug's stuff

>>11012743
>hitting Grug instead of gender bending him

>>11012775
>grug was cannibalized by grok's woman who eventually gave birth to a daughter.
>some of his molecules are in the baby which counts as gender bending as much as identity death does

Anyone have this doujin from a couple months ago? I want to know if it's yuri or not before I get it.

Someone asked for the source on this a little while ago and I found it (by kojika): https://twitter.com/amulai/status/1<wbr>689081807260803072

>>11012831
could be wrong but i don't think i've ever seen this artist does yuri end

>>11010213
I don't ever see them turning the MC except for a temporary case where he uses it in a ploy but I'm fine with that. They just have to actually make use of it somehow...
They started with him fighting four women (one a former man but still...) back-to-back so they really haven't made much use of the genderbend setup besides as a looming threat. Probably just playing it too safe.
Though he has just beat his first male opponent (as part of a duo) so maybe we'll start to see some action soon.

I skimmed through this manga called Hanaukyo Maid Tai that's listed as gender bender but didn't see any in the manga wtf..

>>11013187
I tried reading the first few chapters of it myself a while back for the genderbender but dropped it after something like 7 or 8. Not my style of manga, might have been okay with it a decade or more ago but miss me with it now.

>>11013193
When does the gender bender show up?

>lord samurai man
>proud and honourable
>one day his clan is attacked by a rival clan and he escapes with serious injuries
>wakes up in a unfamiliar place and greeted by a woman
>he tells her what happened
>he no longer cares about honour and pride, pure vengeance is all he seeks
>she's the head of a kunoichi clan
>offers to let him join. but he must undergo a ritual to transform into a woman permanently
>he agrees and learns how to be a kunoichi and use her new body to her advantage
>story arcs is her after a target and what she has to do to get close/alone with him
>could be working in a brothel for one target, courting another for several weeks, working as a servant under another

I feel like I've exhausted all of the good gender bender content.

I've watched every anime. Read all of the good mangas. Seen every pic from every good deviant artist. Even watched all of the good live action stuff. I played magical camp, and no game seems like it's going to be that good. I've scoured TV tropes and checked out everything on the list.

And yet I still feel unsatisfied. I need more, but I've reached the peak. I don't know what will satisfy my need to goon to gender bender. I'm worried that one day in 60 years when we have the tech my gender bender addiction will cause me to turn myself into a chick so I can experience a whole new level of goon sessions. Then I will make gender bender games and other content, and I'll be horny the entire time wearing sexy clothes like a bikini while I draw my gender bender manga and animate boob jiggle in blender.

>>11013252
1. lower your standards
2. become a creative
3. fund the arts

>>11013254
Honestly I've seen a lot of the bad stuff as well. The only gender bender mangas I haven't read is the stuff that isn't sexy, and usually I still start them.

I think my only choice is to become a creative myself. I'd like to make a video game that's for all intense and purposes a normal action RPG but through the story you can become a female and it affects the way the story plays out. Jiggle physics would be a must.

>>11013252
Are there any games as good as little bitch academia and magic camp.

>>11012620
Personally I think the female way of thinking would be a strange change to someone who until that point thought like a man. You have no experience but now your brain want to work a different way.

>>11013260
I don't get why people think Little bitch academia is good
i wouldn't even mind the slow burn TG if it wasnt for that the majority of the game is LE RANDOM REDDIT UPDOOT humor

>>11013252
I think realistic VR porn (and AI generation) will be the future of genderbend. There’s also some high-quality nsfw TG audio plays/hypno content out there, but you may have already heard them before.

>>11013266
It depends on if the brain structure was changed as well. If only the chromosomes changed in the brain cells but the structure didn’t, then I don’t know if there would necessarily be new urges. The new girl might just act like a guy who takes estrogen/eats söy.

>>11013361
Ai sucks though I fucking hate it.

>>11013212
>When does the gender bender show up?
Not within the first 7 or 8 chapters, or I'd have said.