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[ "afternoon guys it is going to be rock and roll 0 kay so do we need to re train mike on how to put his mic on think s we may do okay can he get it all by himself this time i dunno i am feeling like a big boy pro probably not cause he is has been listening to too much so he is getting retarded i believe i can fly alright well we got some exciting stuff for you guys yay or not or not yeah just what i needed was something exciting remember i am an old man kay ready to go all ready kay so we have got our conceptual design meeting apparently i am old as well hopefully we have all got exciting ideas now 30 is really young eh we do k exciting ideas kay so here is our agenda our agenda i am going to open i am going to talk for a bit about what we are going to do i am going to take some notes we are going to all do a presentation and then hopefully we are going to make some decisions now yep alright well when i say hopefully we have to so i am going to let you guys talk before we make decisions and does anyone really want to go 1st i guess i will go 1st you p 2 yeah what is component i think components design yeah yep that is it presented by name my name is jose he man is your name is name my name is name huh hi name my name is inigo montoya you killed my father sorry i did this in a bit of a rush prepare to die n name so so here is a look inside your really old looking remote control right you have got a printed a printed circuit board here and you have got all these buttons which kinda press down little rubber nubbies into these little holes that activate we have all broke a remote control ri s yeah i have yeah we have all broken a remote control so you have also got you have got your chip here your batteries here and some sorta electronics i just love you tech guys huh they just yeah there is a thingy and a dingy and you press this and it does th yeah y do jabber well so you have got here is here is a transistor and this amplifies your signal you have got the l e d here on the end of the on the end of the printed circuit board you have got a couple diodes here for i do not know who and whatnot i dunno who and whatnot so exactly nah so we have got a i in this in this drawing he in this example here this is a 18 pin chip i dunno p yeah it is 2 double a batteries this is pretty standard remote so here are options for our power sources you can use a basic battery which we have already discussed th our tech department also said we have the option of doing some kind of hand dynamo where maybe you crank it or something like that kay i want to change that i do not know if that is really i do not know we got some qu crazy guys down there in that department so i i got to i got to flashlight and yeah but it is interesting cause you shake it like this okay you shake it yeah like this so that is the next bullet is the the kinetic provision of energy so it is like that flashlight where you have to shake it and that is on the camera yeah kay we have got solar cells which i do not think is a very good idea because you could not use your remote at night which does not make a lot of sense kay and finally we have got our cradle 0 our power cradle idea okay so we basically have battery versus cradle here m battery versus cradle i think is yeah okay i like the kinetic so we have battery versus cradle i g i i figured you would it could be fun yes yeah it is actually a novel thing because you could sell it a as a novelty just to be actually serious for a minute here you could yeah well it is it is more i mean it is more eco friendly than the than the cradle cause you are still using power off the grid with the cradle so our case design we have choices in materials and choices in the general shapes that we can do our material choices are a plastic latex ty or plastic a rubber latex type thing wood or titanium if we go with titanium we are going to be limited in the amount of shapes we can do because it is tough to shape the titanium and yeah pers wood wood would ge would give us a little bit of a marketing niche would not it i think wood i i i can not see anybody wanting to use a wooden remote it is just anti technology really you know it it it nah okay to me in a marketing sense it is not it is not relative we can we can 0 we can accentuate whatever whatever product you put in there we can find a way to accentuate it right and what we may be able to do and i think this might be the best option is to combine some a couple of these okay my recommendation personally would be to do some kind of a plastic inner shell with a like a rubber outer shell to make it to mak like a thick plastic inner shell and a t kind of a to have that rubber outer shell to make it more durable and also maybe i i think it feels a little better than the plastic kay do you get a good grip on the rubber yeah yeah okay and if you make it from that super rubber when you drop it on the floor it can bounce right back up in your hand yeah you do not even need to lean down to get it the advantages of working with plastic and rubber is w we we will have a lot more options just in terms of shape because you can extrude plastic in basically any shape you want so and then we can cover you know the breakable bits with rubber yeah so okay but basically these are curved and double curved i i believe that the tech department in their in their message to me that they were referring to the number of th curves in the bottom i have no idea exactly what they are talking about but that is what they told me uncurved flat curved or double curved okay i would guess this like this pen would be kinda like a double curved where it is curved on m m multiple axes right i think curved means just curved in one axis and double curved is curved in 2 axes okay or surfaces i have no idea i think it might mean something like that sorta shape because a double curve rather than a yeah that is what yeah that is yeah that is what i see 0 okay 0 like a wave okay yeah that is what i see also alright that makes sense okay okay with the interface we have the following options we can u we can use push buttons we can use a scroll wheel with an integrated push button and l c d display or multiple scrolling wheels ooh so these are all options that the user interface guy can has at his disposal to put together a user interface okay for electronics we have these very technical descriptions here a simple chip which is the least expensive but i have no numbers to give you a regular chip which is like the medium porridge the medium expense d do we have actually any concept of what the difference is between a simple chip and an advanced chip yes the difference is with a simple chip a simple chip will operate 0 why does not this scroll up previous previous okay a simple chip is required to operate push buttons an advanced chip is required to to operate the l c d display and it did not say specifically okay but i i have a hunch that a regular chip is going to be the scroll wheel and the multiple scroll wheels okay so but yeah yeah that makes sense that is the end of my presentation so presentation from i guess design would go best next technical functions or interface concept i think 0 interface concept very long presentation yeah that is it yes but it has your name on it well that does not bo bode well for it for it tats as well so somehow that thing is too big but okay our manufacturing division wanted the speech recognition they say they could put it to work but we do not think so no no it it it you will be you know be affected by the by the other speech and if the t v is working yeah that is just i mean it will if somebody says up in the middle of a television show it is going to change the channel yeah and and fighting for the remote would not be fun anymore and i think that is one of the things we want to keep so but what if you actually had to press a button to make it recognize so if you pressed it and went up that kinda would r d yeah well then why do not you just press the up button man yeah that would kind of lose it but if it is just one thing with a button that you can just go that is right even still there is going to be interf th there is there still will be interference from the t v up it might not be it might not be completely confusing but i think you will still y it is still i do not think it is practical at all yeah okay i think it is a bad idea frankly yeah so taking that away okay our the the the rubber but rubber buttons are the more reliable it is the the ones that would al would allow us to to market our product as being you know less prone to damage and more resistant to things like spillage of liquids over it or you know mistreat misuses you guys know your stuff as it happens to remote controls as for the point that we making about losing it well we want to small r remote control one side because we want it to be cool and designed but apparently market shows that bigger s bigger remotes get less lost about that i would believe but yeah i think we we need to compromise between those 2 and somehow we will do that somehow so the the what i would propose is something more or less in the direction of what is to yo the right of that slide but without with a l a less complicated design so the numbers the volume control and channel control and teletext access the volume and channel control can just become those the the 4 button array as in if it was a round dial and if you just think about it as the one to the right but with the numbers and the 4 buttons plus maybe a center one with teletext so we are suggesting doing a sorta scroll wheel thing for the volume ye no it is not i i it is just 4 buttons that are on a cross that is not a scroll wheel nah 0 okay okay so that you ba basically can control all of the important tasks from that alone i see right instead of play stop rewind and fast forward there that is up down louder and quieter okay okay yeah yeah so i think we w we go for something mid sized so something looks good and is not too prone to get lost that be it kay so on to y functional requirements or trend watching i dunno trend watching has a later date there trend watching i guess trend watching i believe 461957 see what it looks like yep it has been so long well i do not know what to say when i s when i see the when i see the product i i i i do not want to buy it i see so many of em out there there is nothing about that product that makes me want to choose that product over other products that are out there are you talking about the picture yeah yeah that is not our that is not our b design that is just a that is just something he a a graphic he used to show you the layout of what the layout of the buttons might be like okay okay okay cause cause right now i do not have too much to say about how to market this product because we do not have a product to market yet and from from talking to mike is that we have we have we can market a more expensive product now that is what i understand so hello upper management said yes e excuse that that is a bit of spam and and so yeah i am a i am a little bit stuck right now in that what w what is it that i am going to market without special or increased marketable features i do not believe the product has a consumer demand i like the idea of of the scroll makin there are so many people making these products at this price right now what are we going to do to make this one special and unique what is special and unique about a scroll well i do not yeah it is i i just see it as different it is cool i do not say it is specially i do not say it is special i say that it is different i what i am looking for as marketing is m give me something different i give me a lower price give me a higher price give me some new technology do not give me the same thing that everybody else is putting out there on the shelf it is f at the same price i need something to market about this thing we are we are a new firm i would i would say though that we if we did make the decision to go with the cradle though what i if when when we have yeah when we when we have something like the cradle or or something give that is as as a marketing standard i need something to market the then we have that as well but wi with a similar to make this product unique well right i think the 2 big th points that we have so far are the having the cradle and also having the the actual design of the case itself having like this like rubber shell maybe with a plastic interior yep having it look really nice and also be really durable kay just remember when i made up this report i did not have the information that we are discussing here right yeah and and so so yeah when we have a cradle when we have some kind of design course yeah so what i am saying is from my perspective i do not have a product to market right now my personal preference is that we make some adjustment in the cost either lower or develop an integrated new technol technology that is that is the next step there is technology and then there is technology which we are moving into the next phase yeah cause that is and so we are going to have some new technology to enhance the marketability yeah again i am not sold on the product because we do not have a product in my opinion yet so i need a product kay well let us get a product then i need a product to market and i just whatever product you guys put together we will find a way to market it tha that i am not concerned with so now if you if you give me if you give me a cut out of what everybody else has then i need to i need to find a lower cost so our big questions here really are cradle or not cradle do we go basic or do we go for features d does anyone really want to do anything with the scroll wheel or should we ditch that off hand 1st well my question is what would the scroll wheel do function wise what does that do that 0 but that was in your presentation so wh what would you imagine it doing yeah wh wh what is the wh yeah well it is it is just another way to do the exact same thing that the buttons do kay okay now what i see with the scroll wheel is everybody has buttons but would we so from a marketing standpoint i have i have another door to walk through when we have something that is unique yeah if it creates something more complex or more expensive then i do not know if that makes it a marketing necessity but again from a marketing perspective i want as much new and different about this thing as possible because we are we are co it is a very competitive market what i understand about scroll wheels is they are they are quite expensive to to make yeah th they are going to be more expensive but on the other hand i mean it so i d i mean it is an alternative if if you think that is going to sell some some you know if if we are going to make up the extra cost by extra sales i think maybe it is worth it to do it but i mean i would just use if i was going to do this i would just use the scroll wheel for s channels up and channels down i do not think volume or do you think volume would be i dunno i will bet 1st in volume maybe i dunno no we can we can do multiple scroll wheels but well i d i like the idea of basically focusing the my personal preference is focusing the p the product on the idea of the the case the the dock to put it in to to charge it we can target like environmentally friendly ideas that sorta things it s i m makes it easy to market it is easy to differentiate the product yeah so yeah yeah i think it is that is right i think so and if we we keep the rest in a format that is durable because th th the whole product is going to need to be more durable th thus because you are not going to be ditching it as often it is going to need to be more expensive because of the cradle so if we can market it in terms of that and yeah well yep i think we got some exclusivity in that you know we got something that nobody else has right now yeah and and that means we can we can make some adjustments in the retail or wholesale price if we need to and it also can create it is own demand from it is uniqueness so our big decision then is like how do we do like we have to decide on the details and we have to decide on well n not exactly the details but d do we have what type of casing i personally like what you were saying about the plastic with the rubber i am thinking yeah something like kinda almost like these pens you know where there is you have plastic bits and then it is not really rubber but just kinda like a fused the plastic with rubber on the outside okay just a very thin sorta sheet for a a grip sorta thing or for well no ma yeah maybe a bit more then th is on here but ju just as a kind of an inspiration these pens i think are are kind of okay so then if we d d do we want to do anything more basic with the more advanced with the user interface in terms of do we want to go for buttons or do we want if we are ditching the scroll wheels do we want to go l c d do we want to give do we want to have anything else on it it is only a t v or from from my perspective i think l c d is a mistake because this is a universal remote and all you are doing i mean it is you are not going to get any information back from the television so the only information you can display on this remote is what channel you just sent it at last and there is just not a lot of information you know there it receives no information okay so i i do not see any reason for having an l c d cause it is an increased cost unless you can think of something interesting to do with it yeah yeah right now there is right now there is nothing coming out of the t v to receive so you know unless technology changes and information starts coming out of the a cable box or something there is no s i do not see the right i do not see the necessity of an l c d either do not see it okay so the question is now i guess we need t to decide on well y you guys basically have to now go and figure out the details of this thing so what we need to know in terms of marketing and project management are are there any other questions that we need to answer now before you guys can go and build this what what overall things have we not decided on well we have to i think for me it is still not exactly clear exactly what the inter user interface is going to be there is the scroll wheel in or out what do you guys like in the user interface i think maybe in terms of marketing is that going to make enough of a difference to justify the cost again well i think it is it is the more uniqueness you can bring to the product the easier it is i believe for me to market again the push buttons i i see are are everywhere and so we can go with the same thing but we are going to be com competing in a in a broader market than if we go with something unique you know the other thing i thought about was you know do we go to something like this make a remote that does not look like a remote it is just another it is just a an idea and i do not know well i dunno about like the flip phone idea because i think as far as durability th it is not a big well maybe when it is closed i mean what i see one of the things one of the things you brought up in an earlier presentation is when you got children their their stuff gets inside the circuitry they get dirty they get messy with drinks and stuff this and what i keep throwing out there i just keep throwing out ideas to try to make this thing look or act or in some way identify itself as unique or different but you guys are the ones that have to c ultimately create the product within cost yeah and i guess th th the question th th that you are being asked right now is whether is the dock enough of a unique feature to be able to go out and sell that a a as a a very different product or do we really need the scroll wheel as well because the scroll wheel comes at quite a cost 0 okay phew yeah i think you got to g get into cost effectiveness i think if you can have the base station with a with a locator i think those are 2 very strong features if that is something that can be integrated without a bunch of extra cost well the the locator is going to require a radio transmitter which will that is going to n is that going to need a better chip as well we are probably going to have to go with a like a medium chip s i would imagine no it is just different but we i we will need a receiver an antenna integrated yeah yeah so it is just i i think that is it should be a really simple signal though so i know personally that would be a very attractive feature is to have a have a button i can push to find my remote control and it is presumably going to need a little speaker in it or something like that as well to beep that is true yeah but i guess a little tiny speaker is going to be quite cheap it is not going to need q quality is it 0 yeah yeah it is it will be really cheap or maybe you can like have a a smell 0 rama you know you push a button and it s puts out a stink you can maybe not makes your living room more fresh as you watch yeah yeah yeah yeah okay we are doing well for time here s we have got about another 10 minutes i think that so the scroll wheel in or out pr my personal preference is out i do not think the cost is justified for a little bit more uniqueness when we already have that and i do not s think it is obvious and natural how it would be used yeah yeah i think we have like and it is not very usable and it will bring down the robustness of the whole thing cause it is it it breaks down easier yeah for me i think the scroll wheel actually might not be so bad i do not know exactly what the increased cost is going to be but i think he does have a point i it might push somebody over the edge when they are looking at our at our remote versus something else when they see this one has a scroll wheel to go up and down on the channels i think it might be kinda neat to be able to do it like that but then that that surely d depends a little on the t v because some t v s are quite slow at changing channels from like so if you have got a scroll wheel and you s you have to scroll scroll it really really slowly just so that you are actually keeping in pace with the t v is ability to to change channels w sure or do you have to go through and you wait for it yeah you scroll it a bunch of times and you wait for it to well i think wh what it would be is like like the m like this where it is maybe you know a digital wheel right where it is where it is quantized into you know certain 0 yeah i see i see that is where you yeah that was that was my my intuition of what the scroll wheel would be ah i see i see what you are talking about now okay it is just it is basically it it is just a f look and feel thing it has the same exact functionality as 2 buttons i i think there is you know that there are so many people today that are that are surfing are television surfers and i see the scroll as a as a great mechanism for surfing instead of going button to bu you just j you would j j j j j j yeah if you are just sitting there going yeah i really i really think that is a really cool thing for surfing that is kinda cool actually i like that now just just so you know though you did bring up a point which is very valid is a lot of t v s will not re the t v s will not respond exactly the same some of them are going to be kinda slow switching so you may like queue up like 15 channel changes and it will be like flip flip flip well there is ano but well not n necessarily you could basically make it so that it will i mean it is just going to be sending a signal to the t v yeah the t v is ge so if you send about 5 flip channels right that is right if you did that it is going to flip once if you do that yeah it just might be frustrating where you can not make it go as fast as you want other than click click click but i think once people get used to it i i do like the idea of the scroll wheel though yeah and if we are marketing it as a high niche product then we are going to be selling it to people who are buying good t v s as well yeah presumably yeah i think so primarily i i think so yep now the the only thing i i on the interface side of it is that i i i see the dilemma but if we have the option of of scrolling at any particular speed or the option of jumping direct okay so i can go presuming i have on my television something that tells me what channel i am on i can scroll direct from channel 5 to channel 32 i know what because it is on the television the television tells me what channel it is on when i change it so i do not know that really that is that is going to be a a d problem cause the television can go automatically from channel 5 to channel 32 with the push of a button okay so ca can we can we create that kind of interface within a scroll system you understand what i am saying i think i know what you might be getting at or or 0 i see so if maybe if we had an l c d up the top that just did a number on it right 0 no we could read it from the television and then it that basically well what about this what about if you can program in your favorite channels into this scroll wheel and you can just like roll through your favorite channels well that is quite cool and it c it you would need a display on the th the thing why it will tell you when you flip the channel on the t v yeah the the television can tell you yeah can 0 yeah yeah no i see what you are talking about yeah that is kinda cool how would you program it though well you just it is one extra button you say program start and then type in cause you still have the typing you know you will still have the keypad where you can type em in manually put okay okay so program start 01 enter 05 enter 38 enter program end and then okay and yeah and that just basically flips between it and it will go it sends out 0 5 and then 36 and then 01 again yeah that is kinda cool i like that and again we have another another great marketing tool we have about 3 we have 3 or 4 things here that is not going to be too expensive because that is going to be you are going to be able to nab that off of computer mouse manufacturers really you could basically come up with a partnership to be able to produce that quite cheaply i dunno and an maybe we maybe even have this as in house technology yeah this may be something that is available through our own through our own services might be but tha that is not going to be such a costly feature the problem we are going to have is making it robust 0 well we also have to determine in some manner how to switch between modes between going through your favorites list and just hitting up one up 2 making it last or we go directional up we go we go this we go this we go this way for one we go this way for the other so if there is a button for each type no because you want to be able to go up and down through the channels yeah people are going to have their favorite sorta whether they do that or whether they ah ha okay okay okay well then you just have you have a diff you have a mode switch right i think we will need a we will need a mode switch but then if we have a mode switch we are going to need some kinda indicator yeah yeah the mode switch just the lights behind the buttons to which an l e an l e d okay you could have back lit buttons maybe yeah would that work is that okay we have 5 minutes okay so right details th that we have talked about here are that we want a scroll wheel we want a mode indicator we want back lit buttons and if we are making back lit buttons period do we want that just for the mode indicator or maybe to indicate what button you are pressing at the time so that you know if it is actually pressed or not i have seen some remotes do that okay just so you know i think i mean it was my understanding that before we were going to stay in the mid market range it seems we are kind of approaching a higher end range yeah yeah i think we are yeah i want to make sure everybody is okay with that well you had acknowledged that we have more money for this yeah well we do not have it is not that we have more money we can push up the the price did not you say so that is what i mean we can increase the cost yeah okay so i do not know i do not know whether having kay i just want to make sure everybody is on board with it so yeah so we really need to be sure as to what we can push the cost up to though we have not got to a stage where we are ready to pin down the price of components but i would say what sorta price are we looking to be able to sell something like that and what sorta price can we make it for well i think th i think the design and technology has to come back and say okay to create this product we see it is going to cost us this much for this volume because we do have a volume target of of 50000000 profit yeah no i i think that is where we really should be more flexible than anything else because as we said in the last meeting our management is really looking for us to push our brand right we are entering a new market here so i think the the profit expectation for this one product is maybe not as important as being able to okay i am i am okay with that i guess what i just want to me the next step is for these guys to come come in with the design proposal w with the cost estimate attached and then we have to take this to the next level but th what is our ballpark as to what we would be able to sell something like this for well y yeah let us let us try and think now how much would you pay for with all these features how much would you pay if you went to the store we have to find cost and you were in the market f to replace your t v remote how much would you pay for that but you have got to think who our target market is because i i am not our target market i am just asking you i am a student but if on the other hand i would think with my project manager salary i would think yeah i could probably afford this would i buy it then you could probably afford this maybe if i had a cool new t v and this was r looking really slick and it had the dock and it had the scroll wheel which i think is a really cool idea that would sell me on it a little then maybe you know i do i do not think i would go over a €100 certainly that would be way too much 0 no no but the i would be happy paying over 40 for it i guess but not much i would say 35 to 40 yeah i was going to say 35 to 50 kay 35 to €50 is our sales bracket okay okay so the question is what we ca we make it for because one of th one of the things we are marketing about this product is that this is the last one you will ever need to buy for your television right it is one of the marketing features in this that is why the scroll needs to be really robust okay so we will come up with something between 35 and 50 that is rug rubber robust with scroll wheel with the new facilities of the scroll wheel like favorite stuff favorite channels and and with a cradle and yeah and the locator with a cradle radio transmitters and back lit buttons and it is going to look sexy or not or not it might look like clay okay so you can market pe depending on that yeah yeah bas th that is that is easy that is that is not a it is a cause we have about 667 features in that alone yep under the title of uniquenesses cool okay the next meeting starts in 30 minutes although does it it starts at 321 the next meeting so we have got more than a 30 minutes we have got more like 50 well i have is my 321 is the next meeting the the ne next meeting is 321 yeah that is that is almost 50 minutes yeah that is they have they have changed the times from the presentations you guys can you guys you guys can create a all kinds of things probably we will let you know when we are done if we can go earlier thanks yeah okay so you guys will be getting your modeling done now and yeah okay are there any other questions with regards to what this thing is going to do look like how it is going to work that need to be addressed before we really look at this in a lot of detail i do not think so if we have any questions we will just email you i guess okay yeah i think it pretty much everything is covered okay this one was quite easy could have been worse still always the optimist yes i am kay thanks guys thank you i do not have any emails this means i can go home 0 we all leave" ]

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[ "so we are making it 0 it is all we can go okay so do we need to retrain mike on how to put his mic on can he can he can he get it all by himself this time this time i do not know i am feeling like a big boy probably not i guess he is it has been listening to blackhead piece too much i believe i can fly all right well we got some exciting stuff for you guys or not or not just what i needed was something exciting remember i am an old man okay right out you go all ready okay so we have got a conceptual design meeting hopefully we have all got exciting ideas now we do exciting ideas okay so here is our agenda our agenda we are going to open i am going to talk for a bit about what we are going to do i am going to take some notes we are going to all do a presentation and then hopefully we are going to make some decisions now yep well when i say hopefully we have to so we are going to say hopefully we have to so i am going to let you guys talk before we make decisions and does anyone really want to go 1st i guess i will go 1st you 2 yeah what is component i think component yep that is it presented by name my name is jose jimenez my name is name my name is indigo montoya hi i did this in a bit of a rush nami so here is a look inside your really old looking remote control you have got a printed circuit board here and you have got all these buttons which kind of press down little rubber nubbies into these little holes we have all broken remote control right we have all broken a remote control so you have also got your chip here your batteries here and some stored electronics i just love you too guys that they just yeah there is a thingy and dude jabber so you have got here is here is a transistor and this amplifies your signal you have got the led here on the end of the on the end of the printed circuit board you have got a couple of diodes here for i do not know who and whatnot exactly so we have got a in this in this drawing or in this example here this is a 18 pin chip yeah i do not know 2 aa batteries this is pretty standard remote so here are options for our power sources you can use a basic battery which we have already discussed our tech department also said we have the option of doing some kind of hand dynamo where maybe you crank it or something like that i do not know if that is really i do not know we got some crazy guys down there they are in that department so okay i got a flashlight and you shake it yeah but it is interesting because you shake it like this like this yeah so that is the next bullet is that the kinetic provision of energy so it is like that flashlight where you have to shake it okay we have got solar cells which i do not think is a very good idea because you could not use your remote at night it does not make it a lot of sense okay and finally we have got our our cradle our power cradle idea okay so we basically have battery versus cradle here battery versus cradle i think is i like the kinetic i figured you would yes it is actually a novel thing because you could sell it as a novelty just to be actually serious for a minute here well it is it is more eco friendly than the cradle because you are still using power off the grid with the cradle so our case design we have choices in materials and choices in the general shapes that we can do our material choices are plastic latex type of plastic a rubber latex type thing wood or titanium if we go with titanium we are going to be limited in the amount of shapes we can do because it is tough to shape the titanium yeah wood would give us a little bit of a marketing need should not it i think wooded i can not see anybody wanting to use a wooden remote it is just anti technology really you know to me in a marketing sense it is not it is not relative we can we can accentuate whatever whatever product you put in there we can find a way to extension and what we may be able to do and i think this might be the best option is to combine some a couple of these my recommendation personally would be to do some kind of a plastic inner shell with a rubber outer shell to make it to make a thick plastic inner shell and kind of a to have that rubber outer shell to make it more durable and also maybe i think it feels a little better than the plastic you get a good on the rubber yeah and if you make it from that super rubber when you drop it on the floor it can bounce right back up in your hand you do not even need to lean down to get it the advantage is of working with plastic and rubber is we will have a lot more options in terms of shape because you can extrude plastic in basically any shape you want and then we can cover the breakable bits with rubber so but basically these are curved and double curved i believe the tech department in their message to me that they were referring to the number of curves in the bottom i have no idea exactly what they are talking about but that is what they told me uncurved flat curved or double curved i would guess this pen would be kind of like a double curved where it is curved on multiple axes right i think curved means just curved in one axis and double curved is curved in 2 axes ok or surfaces i think it might mean something like that sort of shape because a double curve around yeah 0 ok yeah that is what i see ok ok all right that makes sense ok with interface we have the following options we can use push buttons we can use a scroll wheel with an integrated push button an lcd display or multiple scrolling wheels so these are all options that the user interface guy can has his disposal to put together a user interface for electronics we have these very technical descriptions here here a simple chip which is the least expensive but i have no numbers to give you a regular chip which is like the medium porridge the medium do we have actually any concept of what the difference is between a simple chip and an advanced chip yes the difference is with a simple chip a simple chip will operate 0 why does not this scroll up previous previous okay a simple chip is required to operate push buttons an advanced chip is required to operate the lcd display it did not say specifically but i have a hunch that a regular chip is going to be the scroll wheel and the multiple scroll wheels okay so but yeah yeah that makes sense let us see in my presentation presentation from i guess design would go best next technical functions or interface concept i think interface concept yeah it is a very long person i see yes but it has your name on it well i thought it does not bode well for it as well so somehow the thing is too big 0 the thing is too big but okay our manufacturing division wanted speed recognition they say they could put it to work but we do not think so no you will be you know be affected by the other speech if the tv is working yeah i mean if somebody says up in the middle of the television show it is going to change the channel and fighting for the remote would not be fun anymore and i think that is one of the things we want actually had to press a button to make it recognize so if you press it and went up that kind of would well then why do not you just press the up button yeah that would kind of but if it is just one thing with a button you can just go that is right even still there is going to be interference there still will be interference from the tv it might not be it might not be completely confusing but i think you will still i do not think it is practical at all i think it is a bad idea frankly okay taking that away the robot buttons are the more reliable it is the ones that would allow us to market our product as being less prone to damage and more resistance to things like spillage of liquids over it or mistreat misuse as it happens to remote controls as for the point that we are making about losing it well we want a small remote control on one side because we want it to be cool and designed but apparently market shows that bigger remotes get less lost that i would believe but yeah i think we need to compromise between those 2 and somehow we will do that somehow so what i would propose is something more or less in the direction of what is to use the right of that slide but without with a less complicated design so the numbers the volume control and channel control and teletext access the volume and channel control can just become those the 4 button array as in if it was a round dial and if you just think about it as the one to the right but with the numbers and the 4 buttons plus maybe a center one with teletext so we are suggesting doing a sort of scroll wheel thing for the volume no it is not a scroll wheel it is just 4 buttons that are on a cross okay so that you basically can control all of important tasks from that instead of play stop rewind and fast forward there that is up down louder and quieter yeah we will go for something mid size so something looks good and not too prone to get lost is that be it okay so on to functional requirements or trend watching i do not know train watching is a later date there train watching i believe 46 1557 what it looks like it has been so long i do not know the film well i do not know what to say when i see the product i do not want to buy it i see so many of them out there there is nothing about that product that makes me want to choose that product over other products that are out there are you talking about the picture yeah yeah that is not our design that is just something he a graphic he used to show you the layout okay of what the layout of the buttons might be like okay because right now i do not have too much to say about how to market this product because we do not have a product to market yet and from talking to mike is that we can market a more expensive product now that is what i understand so hello excuse that that is a bit of spam and so yeah i am a little bit stuck right now in that what is it that i am going to do in the market without special or increased marketable features i do not believe the product has a consumer demand i like the idea of the scroll there are so many people making these products at this price right now what are we going to do to make this one special and unique what is special and unique about a scroll i do not it is killed yeah i just see it as different i do not say it is specially i do not say it is special i say that it is different what i am looking for is marketing is give me something different give me a lower price give me a higher price give me some new technology do not give me the same thing that everybody else is putting out there on a shelf it is at the same price i need something to market about this thing we are a new firm i would say though that if we do make the decision to go with the cradle then we have that as well when we have something like the cradle or something give that is a marketing standard i need something to market to make this product unique right i think the 2 big points that we have so far are having the cradle and also having the actual design of the case itself having this like rubber shell maybe with a plastic interior having it look really nice and also be really durable okay just remember when i made up this report i did not have the information discussing here right yeah and so yeah when we have a cradle when we have some kind of design so what i am saying is from my perspective i do not have a product to market right now my personal preference is that we make some adjustment in the cost either lower or develop and integrate new technology that is the next step there is technology and then there is technology which we are moving into the next phase and so we are going to have some new technologies to enhance the marketability yeah again i am not sold on the product because we do not have a product in my opinion yet so i need a product i need a product to market and i just whatever products you guys put together we will find a way to market it that i am not concerned with so now if you give me a cut out of what everybody else has then i need to find a lower cost so our big questions here really are cradle or not cradle do we go basic or do we go for features does anybody really want to do anything with the scroll wheel or should we ditch that well my question is what would the scroll wheel do what does that do well that was in your presentation so what would you imagine doing what is the well it is the it is just another way to do the exact same thing that the buttons do okay okay now what i see with a scroll wheel is everybody has buttons so from a marketing standpoint i have another door to walk through when we have something that is unique yeah if it creates something more complex or more expensive then i do not know if that makes it a marketing necessity but again from a marketing perspective i want as much new and different about this thing as possible because it is a very competitive market what i understand about scroll wheels is they are quite expensive to make they are going to be more expensive but on the other hand i mean it i mean it is an alternative if you think that is going to sell some some you know if we are going to make up the extra cost by extra sales i think maybe it is worth it to do it but i mean i would just use if i was going to do this i would just use the scroll wheel for channels up and channels down i do not think volume or do you think volume would be i do not know i would bet 1st in volume maybe no we can do multiple scroll wheels but i like the idea of basically focusing the my personal preference focusing the product on the idea of the the case the the dock to put it in to charge it we can target like environmentally friendly ideas that sort of things it makes it easy to market it is easy to differentiate the product that is right i think so and if we keep the rest in a format that is durable because the whole product is going to need to be more durable that is because you are not going to be ditching it as often it is going to need to be more expensive because of the cradle so if we can market it in terms of that and i think we have got some exclusivity in it you know we have got something that nobody else has right now and that means we can make some adjustments in the retail or wholesale price if we need to and it also can create its own demand from its uniqueness so our big decision then is like how do we do like we have to decide on the details and we have to decide on well not exactly the details but do we have what type of casing i personally like what you were saying about the plastic with the rubber i am thinking yeah something like kind of almost like these pens you know where there is you have plastic bits and then it is not really rubber but just kind of like a fused the plastic with rubber on the outside okay just a very thin sort of sheet for a grip well no yeah maybe a bit more than is on here but just as a kind of an inspiration these pens i think are kind of okay so then if we do we want to do anything more basic with the more advanced with the user interface in terms of do we want to go for buttons or do we want if we are ditching the scroll fields do we want to go lcd do we want to give do you want to have anything else on it it is only a tv from my perspective i think lcd is a mistake because this is a universal remote and all you are doing doing i mean you are not going to get any information back from the television so the only information you can display on this remote is what channel you just sent it at last and there is just not a lot of information you know there it receives no information so i do not see any reason for having an lcd because it is an increased cost unless you can think of something interesting to do with it right now there is nothing coming out of the tv to receive so unless technology changes and information starts coming out of the a cable box or something there is no i do not see the i do not see the necessity of an lcd either do not see it okay so the question is now i guess we need to decide on web you guys basically have to now go and figure out the details of this thing so what we need to need to know in terms of marketing and project management are are there any other questions that we need to answer now before you guys can go and build this what overall things have we not decided on well we have to i think for me it is still not exactly clear exactly what the user interface is going to be there is a scroll wheel in or out what do you guys like in the user interface maybe in terms of marketing is that going to make enough of a difference to justify the cost it is the more uniqueness you can bring to the product the easier it is i believe for me to market again the push buttons i see are everywhere and so we can go with the same thing but we are going to be competing in a broader market than if we go with something unique and the other thing i thought about was you know do we go to something like this make a remote it does not look like a remote it is just another it is just a an idea and i do not know well i do not know about like the flip phone idea because i think as far as durability it is not a big well i mean what i see one of the things one of the things you brought up in an earlier presentation is you got children there is their stuff gets inside the circuitry they get dirty they get messy with drinks and stuff this and what i keep throwing out there i just keep throwing out ideas to try to make this thing look or act or in some way identify itself as unique or different but you guys are the ones that have to ultimately create the product within cost yeah and i guess the question that you are being asked right now is whether is the dock enough of a unique feature to be able to go out and sell that as a very different product or do we really need the scroll wheel as well 0 okay it comes at quite a cost yeah i think you got to get into cost effectiveness i think if you can have the base station with a locator i think those are 2 very strong features if that is something that can be integrated without a much of extra cost the locator is going to require a radio transmitter which will is that going to need a better chip as well we are probably going to have to go with it like a medium chip i would imagine but we will need a receiver an antenna integrated yeah so it is just i think that is it should be a really simple signal though so i know personally that would be a very attractive feature is to have a button i can push to find my remote control it is presumably going to need a little speaker on it or something like that as well to beep that is true yeah but i guess a little technical type of a little bit i guess a little tiny speaker is going to be quite cheap it is not going to need quality is it it will be really cheap or maybe you could have a smell a rama you know you push a button and it puts out a stink maybe not makes your living room more fresh yeah yeah yeah ok we are doing well for time here we have got about another 10 minutes i think that so the scroll wheel in or out my personal preference is out i do not think the cost is justified for a little bit more uniqueness when we already have that and i do not think it is obvious and natural how it would be used yeah i think it is not very usable and it will bring down the robustness of the whole thing yeah it breaks down easier for me i think the scroll wheel actually might not be so bad i do not know exactly what the increased cost is going to be but i think he does have a point it might push somebody over the edge when they are looking at our remote versus something else when they see this one has a scroll wheel to go up and down in the channels i think it might be kind of neat to be able to do it like that but then that surely depends a little on the tv because some tvs are quite slow at changing channels sure so if you have got a scroll here and you have to scroll it really really slowly just so that you are actually keeping in pace with the tv is ability to change channels or do you have to go through and you wait for it you scroll it a bunch of times and then you wait for it well i think what it would be is like this where it is maybe a digital wheel right where it is quantized into you know a certain 0 i see i see that is what you that was my intuition of what the scroll will be okay it is just it is basically it is just a look and feel thing it has the same exact functionality as 2 buttons i think there is you know that there are so many people today that are that are surfing or television surfers and i see the scroll as a as a great mechanism for surfing instead of one buttoned a but did you did you did did you did did yeah i really cool actually i really think that is a really cool thing for surfing now just just so you know though you did bring up a point which is very valid is a lot of tvs will not the tvs will not respond exactly the same some of them are going to be kind of slow switching so you may like queue up like 15 channel changes and it will be like flip flip flip well there is well not necessarily you could basically make it so that it all i mean it is just going to be sending a signal to the tv yeah so if you send about 5 flip channels if you do that it is going to flip once yeah it just might be frustrating where you can not make it go as fast as you want but i think once people get used to it i do like the idea of the scroll wheel though and if we are marketing it is a high niche product then we are going to be selling it to people who are buying good tvs as well yeah presumably yeah i think so i think so now the only thing on the interface side of it is that i see the dilemma but if we have the option of scrolling chick chick chick at any particular speed or the option of jumping direct okay so i can go presuming i have on my television something that tells me what channel i am on i can scroll direct from channel 5 to channel 32 shunk i know what because it is on a television the television tells me what channel it is on when i change it so i do not know that really that is that is going to be a problem because a television can go automatically from channel 5 to channel 32 with the push of a button okay so can can we can we create that kind of interface within a scroll system you understand what i am saying i think i know what you might be getting it 0 i see so if maybe if we had an lcd up the top that just had a number on it right or we could read it on the television what about this what about if you can program in your favorite channels into this scroll wheel and you can just like roll through your favorite channels that is quite cool you would need a display on the why it will tell you when you flip the channel the television can tell you can 0 yeah yeah no i see what you are talking about yeah that is kind of cool how would you program it though 0 you just it is one extra button you say program start and then type in because you still have the typing you know you will still have the keypad where you can type them in manually so program start one enter 5 enter 38 enter program end okay and yeah and that just basically flips between it and it will go it sends out 5 and then 36 and then one again yeah that is kind of cool i like that and again we have another great marketing tool we have about 3 we have 3 or 4 things here that is not going to be too expensive because that is going to be you are going to be able to nab that off of computer mouse manufacturers really you can basically come up with a partnership to be able to produce that quite cheaply i do not know and we maybe even have this as in house technology this may be something that is available through our own services but that is not going to be such a costly feature the problem we are going to have is making it robust well we also have to determine in some manner how to switch between modes between going through your favorites list and just hitting up one up to we go directional so if there is a button we go this we go this way for one we go this way for the other no because you want to be able to go up and down through the channels yeah people are going to have the favorite sort of whether they do that well then you just have a mode switch i think we will need a mode switch but then if we have a mode switch we are going to need some kind of indicator just the light behind the buttons the blacklight buttons maybe okay would that work is that nice okay we have 5 minutes so right details that we have talked about here are that we want a scroll wheel we want a mode indicator we want backlit buttons and if we are making backlit buttons period do we want that just for the mode indicator or maybe to indicate what button you are pressing at the time so that you know if it is actually pressed or not i have seen some remotes do that okay just so you know i think i mean it was my understanding that before we were going to stay in the mid market range it seems we are kind of approaching a higher end range i want to make sure everybody is okay with that you have acknowledged that we have more money for this yeah well we do not have it is not that we have more money we can push up the price that is what i mean we can increase the cost okay so i do not know i do not know what we are just want to make sure everybody is on board with it yeah so we really need to be sure as to what we can push the cost up to though we have not got to a stage where we are ready to pin down the price of components but i would say what sort of price are we looking to be able to sell something like that and what sort of price can we make it for well i think the design and technology has to come back and say okay to create this product we see it is going to cost us this much for this volume because we do have a volume target of 50000000 profit yeah no i think that is where we really should be more flexible than anything else because as we said in the last meeting our management is really looking for us to push our brand we are entering a new market here so i think the profit expectation for this one product is maybe not as important as being able to okay i am okay with that i guess what i just want to me the next step is for these guys to come in with the design proposal with the cost estimate attached and then we have to take this to the next level but what is our ballpark asked of what we would be able to sell something like that we have to find cost how much would you pay for with all these features how much would you pay if you went to the store and you were in the market to replace your tv remote how much would you pay for that well you have the thing who our target market is because i am not our target market market i am a student but on the other hand i would think with my project manager salary i would probably afford this yeah i could probably afford this maybe if i had a cool new tv and this was looking really slick and it had the dock and it had the scroll wheel which i think is a really cool idea that would sell me on it a little then maybe you know i do not think i would go over €100 certainly that would be way too much but the i would be happy paying over 40 for it i guess i would say 35 to 40 yeah i was going to say 35 to 50 okay 35 to €50 is a sales bracket okay because one of the things we are marketing about this product is is this is the last one you will ever need to buy for television it is one of the marketing features in this that is why the scroll needs to be really robust okay so we will come up with something between 35 and 50 that is rugged brother robust with scroll wheel with the new facilities of the scroll wheel like favorite stuff favorite channels with the cradle radio transmitters and the locator and backlit buttons and it is going to look sexy or not or not it might look like clay okay so you can mark it yeah that is easy that is not a that is a chat because we have about 67 features in that alone under the title of uniquenesses okay the next meeting starts in 30 minutes although does it it starts at 321 the next meeting so we have got more than 30 minutes we have got like 50 321 is the next meeting the next meeting is 321 yeah that is almost 50 minutes yeah that is they have changed the times from the presentation you guys can create a probably we will let you know when we are done if we can go earlier thanks chef okay so you guys will be getting your modeling done now yeah yes okay yeah i think pretty much everything is covered okay this one was quite easy could have been worse still always the optimist yes i am thanks guys thank you i do not have any emails this means i can go home we need to get out here 0 we got to leave maybe i just keep right leave the pen maybe i just keep right on walking to the bathroom 0 up on the mother load there is more than them and more 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[ "0 my god yeah still does not feel natural yeah i i wish you know the the the the room would just detect when an when a meeting is started it starting voila cool okay so you better start i should start it was your idea so yeah no so i thought that we might s t speak a little bit about speech coding because nobody is doing here speech coding and i would like to have some maybe feedback because except me i have i have supposed to some speech coding stuff here with hynek but you know that little bit at least that based on some let us say hilbert transforms using a longer temporal context and deriving some parameters would be tranf transcs transmitted to a decoder and so it is a little bit different than the stuff which people are using now which is like a l p c based and but we are at the beginning with everything more or less so still we can not d encode a speech but of course there is there are many problems which we still did not solve and the biggest one is quite similar to l p c stuff where people still do not know how to exactly encode a carrier or the source signal we know what to do with the envelope or how to approximate the envelope let us say when you have got well maybe is is the white board working or or not 0 you mean that it would be nice to plot at least s y maybe show us the general sort of outline yeah at least on paper maybe i i can i can you can write on the paper yeah yeah yeah at least you can write on the p it is it is okay you keep w okay you can just write it on the paper so what we are doing now yeah you mean yeah okay i everybody knows l p c stuff how it works right yeah celp so i do not have to present anything mores but it is m more or less very simple we have let us say at the beginning there is some speech signal what we are we might see it in very simple way that we are using some hilbert transform h at the beginning to create analytic signal the analytic signal is the signal which is a complex which you can create from the real some sequence yeah right right and if you get if you apply hilbert transform on this on such a speech signal like a real trajectory then you get a complex signal and if you take just the amplitude then you get hilbert envelope code so i well i i do not know yeah let us say ups so is this different from the original p l p 2 stuff then is that yeah it is u it is not p l p at all d cause that is what you started with was not it this this stuff that marius no but marius is it is similar stuff no he is it is pretty much the same no marius is also using like hilbert transform and then okay you are lit i know what you mean with the pu p l p they are applying p l p with some iteration with this this one approach so they are doing some smoothing of a spectrogram in 2 ways okay yeah yeah h he is parameterizing it both temporally and across the spectrum yep one was right both right but p l p is using just the spectral direction let us say you are doing for every 20 millisecond processing 11 feature vector yeah here you are processing one spectral band frequency band right yeah yep okay so it is different direction which we are w using yep but anyway this is very simple so applying that absolute absolute operation you get a hilbert envelope and of course then there is the phase yeah so it is just the complex operation and that is more or less all what we are doing so now what we know what we know is how to approximate that hilbert envelope we are ap we are applying that hilbert him what is the marius stuff yeah to that so he knows how to encode the hilbert envelope using like l s f s or l p c yep yep yep is some kind of d c t or again yeah yeah ok you are applying again to some linear prediction model after that yeah yeah but it is a it is a it is a different linear prediction model is not it but it is right it is in a it is a little bit difference in not applied in the frequency domain yeah yeah yeah it is a complex linear prediction or whatever so instead of classical l p c domain where you have a spectrum let us say something like that how c and you are applying some linear prediction model which is trying to approximate the spectrum right so this is frequency yeah in our case we are we are trying to approximate s kind of instantaneous energy yeah so if this is a time and you get one and add one frequency band you can see something like this yeah and we are trying to approximate that envelope which is yeah that hilbert envelope yep right so again we know what to more or less we know what to do with the hilbert envelope okay we know that we can apply linear prediction model and it works pretty well okay but i if you want to really construct the speech signal or the you need also the phase signal you need the phase yeah ooh which is in some sense quite simple for voiced speech signal say because use linear phase or but s the phase no you ac it is a phase or you can encode it like a carrier well yeah 0 okay so the carrier is if you know amplitude modulation right you may see something like there is one cosine which is very would have quite a f right yeah yeah same frequency well it depends on how this i i mean you are talking b yeah just the carrier okay so it is not necessarily phase but if you are using some sort of sinusoidal coding it is phase yeah yeah it is called like the phase right right yeah exactly so the this is the signal which you also have to somehow encode or transmit from a code of the decoder in order to re synthesize it right okay okay w what so what sort of bit rate do you get for the encoding of the this the hilbert transform so the s the spectrogram what do you mean w what sort of coding do you get so far for the no no no no f f yeah again for this one for the the linear prediction model for l s f yeah yeah yep well it is just a linear prediction classical way i mean 0 okay w well if you want to see it in more details i mean wo well it is no no no but what sort of bit rate do you get is it is it id do you have any sort of m idea of what sort of band widths 0 you mean yeah bit bit rate you mean main bit rate what is yeah okay yeah good sure sure so whereas we are what we are now is let us say something like one2 kilo bits per 2nd for that hilbert envelope cause 0 okay and that is in that is with the fully optimized sort of compression scheme or that is just the raw data or is it is again a roughly estimated somehow okay yeah but we still know that we can go down and right yeah sure sure you just cut out m bands and just use interpolation or whatever exactly yeah yeah i don we are using like 15 bands t so that is one point okay that is with the full spectrum basically being used then right but they are 1st they are inter 0 well integrated into 15 bands using 0 classical way like in m f c c s or in p l p you just apply some those triangular windows or something like that in order to to get a li really like just 15 bands right yeah yep yep ah okay yep yep and each band is then processed independently yeah yep so for one band we more or less have w like w 100 bits per 2nd okay that is quite good okay so and hynek was showing me how scalable it is in terms of you can take half the bands away and still get decent performance for hilbert envelope right right right you take you take 3 quarters of them away it starts to degrade but it is still intelligible that sort of thing you yeah you can just right right right yeah yep okay s and that is without doing any sort of prediction of what the missing bands might be right you just leave them out right that is what we did i mean you you shou you could be able to do some sort of code missing data sort of bayes stuff yeah yeah sure yeah sure sure yeah there are many things we would would not at all but yeah exactly okay but now what i r really trying to do is somehow approximate that carrier signal to do something with the carrier okay there are many simple things which you can do like quantization quantization for example yeah it it would be it would be nice to have a scalable scheme though would not it like because you have got a nice scalable scheme for the for for the the coding of the the smooth spectrum right it would be nice to have some sort of scalable coding scheme for the for the voice signal as well right you mean something like f that celp coding system where you are or wh wh wh what is no what is exactly scalable system well i do not know i am just what you mean by that well at different bit rates so the actual excitation as well 0 yeah yeah sure this was yeah yeah yeah because i mean it would be nice l let us say if you had 1200 bits for the for the sp smooth spectrum and 1200 bits for the voice for dif yeah right right right yeah but i think this appr approach can do that because you really can split it into several bands and then you could scale them both yeah sure sure sure and you can decide how many bands you want more or less yeah so i have a question is the scale linear or is mel scale like in m f c c yeah this is a bar scale we are using is it bar scale like in like in sp yeah okay yeah or mel mel scale so it is it is being more wider for higher frequencies and of course the s the spaces right 0 yeah type the overlapping is different right yep yeah but what i w my sense is that it is not so much important still s i mean it does not matter if you are als use mel scale or bar scale but right yeah no no just long as it is some sort of non linear but that is what we are using yeah yep okay and actually we are using just gaussian windows here instead of those triangulars because they are more no s so 0 okay okay m smoothed or like apply more the place more emphasis on the it is better than for decoding it is better to play with them because they they are not 0 anywhere you know ah yeah yeah yeah they are they are approaching or in they are in 0 but actually they are not so d you do not have to care about some 0 values here and but more or less it does not matter yeah okay we are using just gaus gaussian windows yeah okay so after you are doing l s f s so or like i mean how you are finally hand coding okay so l those are that the hilbert envelope is is approximated by linear prediction ah so you have l p c coefficients which you can transcribe into l l l s f s which are right exactly 0 and then vector quantize or whatever yeah yeah so 1st you apply these triangle filters and then do l p c coding or like yeah right exactly so 1st the approach is quite sim simple yeah so at the beginning we apply d c t in order to get to frequency domain yeah okay yeah then you apply those triangular or gaussian windows filters yeah so this is done for 12nd 8000 samples for 8 kilo hertz sampling frequency right 0 okay so for such d c t trajectory you apply those gaussian windows and then i so you split it in 2 frequency sub bands and then each one f frequency sub band is more or less you can do the l p analysis on each sub band yeah right right exactly you just apply l l p so auto correlation let us say or you can do power spectrum whatever yeah m yeah ok yeah yeah yeah yeah so you for each one you get l s f s here yeah yeah so how many l s f s you are using and well i am using now like 20 l s f s per 12nd per one frequency band so times 15 0 okay so but you how many bands you are using twen that is t it is 20 times 15 it is not 15 if you are you are not skipping any bands or like 0 ok 15 into 20 then no no if i just keep all them so 20 l s f s each one is like is quantized by 4 or 5 bits okay so it is it is yeah it is 300 ah of what 300 bits it i mean it is it is total of 300 sort of parameters per 2nd 0 yeah 2 yeah yeah yeah but phase you are not encoding anything yeah exactly phase you are directly transmitting that you mean this phase the the hilbert carrier no th yeah yeah yeah or no of course we did the phase of hilbert envelope well y you are not you are not carrying transmitting that at all really at this point in time yeah i you are not transmitting at all like w well there are many things you can do we do not well the 1st thing what you can really do is just to replace it by gaussian noise yeah yeah is noise so you can really use t like in l p c system fourier and and you get whispering type synthesis yeah yeah right exactly or you can replace it by some cosine one cosine generated in a cen center frequency of that gaussian window yep or one of these glottal pulse things yeah f and just use basic l p c 10 style right yeah which is which is probably i mean yeah if you are going to aim for like a very low rate code to below 500 bits per 2nd i guess that is that is probably fine it mi it mi yeah so what is the celp standard now but like it is it is 2 kilo bits per 2nd the lowest standard is melp i think which is 2400 the standard or the 0 that 22 kilo bits per t it has been implemented at 1200 f bits per 2nd using more more complicated quantization schemes and stuff like that i think ah ok ah some 1200 yeah i think so yeah yeah it is possible some of it i s i saw that they used matrix quantisation on the l p on the l s f parameters or whatever yeah yeah yeah but but i mean that is quite it becomes quite computationally intensive r right but i mean i imagine the same sort of approach could be taken with yours as well well i am just comparing with l p c 10 standard which is like classical l p c yeah a little bit optimized no so there in the there is i think 24 kilo bits per 2nd the bit rate for that yeah that is the same 20 melp is a lot better quality though yeah definitely yeah yeah but this is codec centered no this is no i mean l p c 10 is just l p c you have code book so 0 it is not codecs code book no no no there is not code book no 0 ok just noise or just those impulses 0 yeah celp is celp no no yeah it is it is it is around one kilo byte like i think i think i think i think celp or celp or however you pronounce that yeah there yeah yeah it is about 4800 i think yeah yeah yeah yeah 48 or something yeah that is a i think even g s m and all this g 729 yeah or based around that yeah yeah yeah on based on celp okay right at least it gives it is not terribly interesting though really but still they use a code book no so that is really it is maybe better than like using just random noise or yeah so i am well you you have well i mean you have got a bunch of options have not you you can use like a codec sided or you could use a yeah sure yeah yeah well more or less what we did not do is analysis by synthesis right so that is what celp is doing right yeah sinusoidal based no so yeah so this is what we do and that might help a lot of course yeah yeah sure sure sure yeah yeah but what is more interesting but w yeah exactly huh i i mean cause c i i i suspect there somethings like celp that is that is the question you are going to get h lot higher band width are not you i mean it is a high band width standard it will be so yeah yeah yeah yeah sure yeah for example there what i also did was a simple peak peaking algorithm so if you take a look on that spectrum of that of that carrier signal which is more or less like the cosine if you really take a look on that but it is kind of frequency shifted cosine or frequency modulated cosine okay right so it is th the frequency still to be changing yeah yeah yeah or of course the amplitude is just not constant all time it should be theoretically but practically it is not ah okay so what you can see for a 12nd signal you m more or less you already might see some like one one impulse there or spectral line for okay but usually there are many others which are s quite small but they are quite important if you do not transmit them then the signal is quite robotic or something like that so if you are really transmitting just one spectral line but this is what you can do and you can understand pretty well okay the signal is audible or if you are adjust th find 11 line okay so i mean but how one speaker and dom dom dominant one in the spectrum of that c carrier hil hilbert carrier and you just transmit this parameter yep yeah cause it is a bit tricky is not it that is it is not like a standard i am just thinking i mean what sort of opt it is not like you can not just do standard you know inverse filtering for signal reconstruction or anything like that can you no n it is even easier because what you have to do is just divide the you just multiply that hilbert envelope by the table carrier that that is all 0 okay and then you just then you just do the inverse f f t or whatever yeah yeah inverse yeah yeah exactly inverse hilbert yeah yeah okay the oth i mean the other 0 so so you just multiply that one hilbert carrier which is transcribed by l s f s by that this one i f f t signal yeah so but that is going to be susceptible to having phase problems is that when you 0 f you mean the phase of that of that carrier or output signal like yeah yeah of of course i try to play also with that and i found that it does not matter so much which what is the phase because we are using just 12nd window right yeah okay so of course there there might be some disturb disturbed when you concatenate those segments together but then the phase might be important yeah but otherwise i mean i did not find any anything important with the phase like great keep the phase 0 and it works or and now i mean there is there are there is research pu that has been published showing you know speech reconstruction from the essentially the spectrogram without phase information right right right right yeah yeah so but it is again a little bit different because they are i they are doing this in a frequency domain yes but this is in time domain more or less yeah yes but i mean you can reconstruct the the f the th the entire right the spectrogram you mean spectrogram from that can not you yeah yeah yeah so you could do it that way yeah cause i am just saying there is a heaps of there heaps of options like if y you be exactly the same as sinusoidal coding or something like that right all you need is the reconstruction of the spectrogram in order to estimate the harmonic amplitudes and right exactly what we can also do very simple is just to get the magnitude spectrogram using this approximation without the carrier just hilbert envelope and then yeah yeah but you just get it in in this way in in the way of rob is right yeah but you can also get the s short time fourier transform and keep it right ye yeah yeah just by refitting just classical frame by frame algorithm 20 milliseconds yeah but you keep just the phases instead of magnitudes yeah yeah and you can put this together right okay and it works pretty well and then the signal is not just whispered then you really hear that there is the voiceness in the signal yeah okay 0 ok but of course the quality is is not so good still d it is th but you can use it for like 23 kilo bits per 2nd and it works yeah but that is that is the big thing at the moment is not it if if you are if i if the if the exci if the if the encoding rate is 2 kilo bits per 2nd for the the excitation component of the signal like yeah right it does not matter how efficient your encoding of the spectrogram is you are always going to have a high relatively high bit rate right yeah sure yeah anyway so m maybe it would be nice if you t if you tell us what you do with the speech coding cause i d i did not see any of p h d s of you i think so if you did something so maybe it would be interesting at least to i have never done anything nah yeah yeah yeah sure well one could argue it is it is a field that is quite a sort of a niche these days is not it yeah yeah sure but yeah but it is more towards industry no in standards and yeah like the yeah because i worked in a industry for like a small time it is true but they are they used to implement all these coders g s m and i t u standards so you were when when did you do that no just before my p h d 0 okay for like few months huh yeah but that is like industry it is really a big deal like so they they they work on a lot of these standards yeah i think so yeah well did you say who said yeah but mostly they are all based on celp like mainly yeah yeah so is it nokia is being sued in the u s for their tri band usage cause you know intellectual property how you mean using that c d m a no no g g s m because they do not have g s m in the u s or tri band is g s m or i did not have g s m in the u s yeah it is not g s m right it is kind of s no c d m a is another level i think it is f okay c d m a no no but c d m is there but now slowly they are introducing g s m also now in u s like no no n well that is tri band s yeah yeah g s m tri band yeah yeah yeah tri band g s m yeah like the frequencies are different like very yeah different frequency yeah exactly yeah yeah yep and apparently nokia is in a bit of trouble over that one but yeah ah well it is interesting yeah now it is really big competition i think there is a l lot of money in that like right yeah should have been a lawyer yeah like speech recognition of course it is very interesting but people do not use it so much as s just coding just telephoning right or just well that is but i mean coding is a much more sort of it is it is it well i mean it is it is it when it boils down to just mathematics to a large extent standard maybe like established right yeah does not it they s yeah yeah it is it is just sort of it is you know communications s sort of no yeah right right so where do you think your thing is useful in c d m a or g s m no i i i think maybe in c d m a it may be m c d m a is more like well what we were what we were thinking about is 0 c d m a i mean there is the b more time domain the they they are c doing only well the problem is this in with this application or it does not have to be problem but one constraint is that we are processing 12nd of the signal you can go down of course but then you are losing little bit of the bit rate let us say right yeah sure sure yeah so but there are many applications where you really can use it because you do not care about algorithmic delay 12nd algorithmic delay like for i do not know if instead of s m s you can really have some channel where you just right yeah yeah sure sure push to talk and stuff like that yep so probably and i mean as you say i mean that delay is i mean you can squash that delay to some extent right right right yeah yeah i n i think as far as the co you know c c delilah is coding goes i do not think you can probably do much more than what is already been achieved because to get higher compression you have to you know take advantage of redundancy over longer time spans yeah right so but you know really the these long line telephones they already have delay no yep at least half a 2nd or yeah yeah sure but i mean that is transmission delay not algorithmic delay if you add those together you end up with a the nightmare scenario i guess yeah right yeah yeah but mobile m okay what if s we might have someone else joining our meeting soon and this one is 0 yeah i do not know i mean you would be you tried sinusoidal coding based approaches did not you which one s 0 sinusoidal coding well but the sinusoidal coding is usually m when you s at least what i think or what i know is when you are doing sinusoidal coding it means you just take the speech signal at the beginning right and you are trying to find to yeah to find the harmonics in a temporal domain right for that harmonics and the yeah but sure yeah m yeah tr yeah it is a yeah yeah but i mean the th the the thing is you would need ti it part of the parameter set for that is the the f the harmonic amplitudes right and then one way of compressing the harmonic amplitudes is just storing the smooth spectrum and then you can and then you can interpolate yeah 0 yeah and then picking yeah you can just pick the the the harmonic amplitudes on that spectrum when you reconstruct on that smooth version of the spectrum when you reconstruct right more or less i did it maybe different way but kind of algorithm like okay y yeah yeah well i was just saying trying to find out the strongest or the the most dominant peaks in the spectrum which is more or less the same yeah yep but maybe the bit rate is the problem no like what david was doing yeah well i i th it is high like it is really yeah yeah yeah but th it is quite a high bit rate but i mean once we it maybe it is something that is scalable but you know the the f the interesting yeah maybe you can just see how many how many harmonics he was using 20 i think like yeah maybe you can try to reduce well it i mean you can use as many harmonics as you want i m h he was just using the fundamental frequency yeah yeah right and if you smooth it doing a smooth spectrum representation of the harmonic amplitudes then you only need to store the the the fundamental frequency and and the and the maximum voice frequency and the f right and that that is it and then all this amplitude and everything else can be yeah s yeah sure and then you do multiples of right ah yeah yeah yeah yeah so and then but then the tricky the only tricky thing that we had not figured out was the phase information yeah each again yeah but y but you can still get a like you get th basically if you do phase unwrapping and all of these other tricks you end up with some sort of phase representation which is some sort of monotonically decreasing function some kind of linear yeah like it if it is unwrap you mean unwrap phase yeah unwrapped yeah yeah yeah so i mean it is something that you could conceivably represent in some sort of low sort of r you know low bit rate representation i guess right some function or like a you l right yeah and then maybe you would need some sort of correction to to correct minor phase discontinuities at some point in time yeah yeah i also play with that and for example what i found i well in this case we are not trying to encode the speech signal we are trying to encode some carrier which is much easier i would say because you can really im you can see that even cau yeah yeah sure yeah yeah yeah okay so what i was trying to encode at the phases so i just found that 2 bits is enough for that and you really do not hear the difference okay so if you keep all the spectral lines as they were there but you were just quantizing with 2 bits or 3 bits for amplitude yeah yeah 2 bits for for phase so it is okay okay the problem is that you have to transmit many of them yeah 0 cause there is not just one dominant component but usually more others which are quite small right sure sure yeah yeah yep or what you have to do then you have to decrease the the the size of not 12nd true the size of the but you have to go down because then you can get just voiced part and unvoiced part you know 12nd it is usually mixed right somehow together yeah yeah but you do not do any voice un voice decision no not now no no and you you want to avoid hard choices on voicing decision yeah yeah the that is even advantage i think for this approach i wi yeah yeah we do not no want to do that yeah because it is quite tricky yeah sorta the modeling it is really another issue like well that is one of the big problems with l p c 10 for instance yeah right yeah yeah yeah yeah sure i it stinks because this hard yeah yeah exactly yeah and then you have to combine all this harmonic model and noise model right so again you may end up some but for example what we also found is that if you use just the hilbert envelope cause that that one which is trying to approximate that energy in some low band like ar around 200 t hertz and you take a look on the signal on the trajectory you can see that it works like kind of voice detector 0 okay yeah sure because for a low energies there is usually noise yeah for high energies there is kind of a harmonicity the pe peak yeah yep so it works pretty well for that so we might use this one information for that but but that that 200 this is what they use for like saint they they do use this for for pitch marking in speech but yeah i think so yeah so this is what alan black is code uses yeah yeah but it is very speaker dependent wh on what sort of band width you would look at this hilbert envelope yeah right huh yeah depending on the pitch depending on the person y you will get a different amount of smoothing and a certain sort of so i mean s yeah yeah you know if it is a female speaker for instance you yeah that is true yeah so it is sorta tricky so that is a you have to tune lot of parameters like i am yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that is that is a problem but anyway you do not really need hard decisions no sure like voiced unvoiced n no f so m maybe it may help you but it yeah that would be nice n not to have anything yeah y yeah but from memory that that basic script that they had was not was not very effective yeah yeah yeah i mean maybe if you did some sort of initial 1st p guess and then and then chose your smoothing factor based on that yeah right cause it it you know selecting at any particular point of what the what the pitch is at the may be inaccurate yeah yeah my but if you estimated it over a 2nd you should be able to get a decent estimate i would i would think right exactly but do you really really need it or like voiced unvoiced well i do not know maybe if you we really want to improve the the quality then we will need it i do not know still yeah but yeah yeah but it is not really you need t you do not need to specify at each point it is voiced or yeah n not now yeah well i am going to t have a time next next month or in 3 weeks so i will try to play some examples there for you and yeah huh well it would be nice to it would be nice to really see what this what you are a actually trying to reconstruct here what we are trying to reconstr this carrier signal what what it really looks l yeah how does it look like or sure and you did say it looks like a frequency modulated cosine yeah more or less it is kind of not frequency let us say amplitude modulation when you have ju just the carrier and that modulation signal right yeah and then amplitude but you are telling even frequency is also shifting no yeah like your delay it would have to be cause pitch shifts yeah yeah we yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so then yeah then it is not exactly amplitude modulations or it is it is in between maybe yeah yeah yeah it is in between exactly yeah so it is not this and that s yeah but still yeah but anyway what also the other approach which is possible to use so yeah the other is one to keep the phase like this one like 2 spectrograms one the phase and one the magnitude yeah yeah and well i can again play it and it works on 2 kilo bits per 2nd quite what no what he was doing he was using it for speech recognition that is what marius did no like but but he was keeping all the phase information what i what i know but for speech coding no no no it was i do not know no but even the his coded like he just he he did not do anything he just transferred it that way for speech coding you mean he was aiming for he is not really kind of doing speech coding but he want to do it on music so he does not really care about the band widths or he want to have the quality no like i do not know i do not know yeah but even especially the audio series and the that that is what he was telling like m maybe yeah at least even 10 k bit 20 kilo bits also is okay right so but he is he is not i think finished with all that thing yeah he is just transmitting all the phase and then but he is encoding the envelope yeah well for example this phase information right yeah yeah yeah i think so there are m more papers which are using this approach like trying to encode the magnitude spectrum or spectrogram yeah yeah and then leaving the phase yeah the phase or you just re can again the phase can be replaced by the noise which is pretty good yeah so that is the benefit variable approach so if you really do not have a band width you just can replace it by noise and it works yeah of course then it does not sound as the original because it is more whispered or whatever but you can understand well and for example if you mention this one approach with the that trajectory of the phase of unwrap phase recre i also use because you can do it here when you get into this domain where you apply or you are trying to compute s power spectrum in in order t let us say that this kind of trajectory yeah yeah yeah it does not in fit the same frequency over time domain but here you are trying to compute doing a to do linear prediction so we are just doing f f t right yeah then applying power in order to get to s to power domain and then i f f t right yeah or so you get the auto correlation coefficients auto correlation coefficient and so before you are applying power spectrum you can again get the you have got a complex f freq frequency or complex spectrum you can get the phase right yeah they again give the phase yeah again give the phase yeah and the phase look quite similar like this so you might see it is is more less like a line yeah it is like a yeah 0 and it it does start to get a little bit n non linear towards the end right but normally that is that is when the components are not actually probably going to be audible anyway in voiced speech right yeah so yeah right but this phase is different from your carrier no yeah it is it is very different yeah like yeah because you are just doing on your yeah then you are doing in different domain i think this is in frequency domain this in time domain and also like yeah it is quite it is quite sensible to any quantization what i found yeah and yeah really it looks like the lines so you just say okay let us p let us put the line there yeah but it does not work re well you can understand but you can here that there are many artifacts which right exactly yeah sure c c cause any sort of error in that in that line is is transmitted is realized in a net as a phase error right right right yeah and the another problem is that it is not band width variable so you cannot say that this part will be the just the noise which you can do in here in this this other approach so that is why i did not play with that so m more because i found there are more disadvantages than the advantages this approach okay so that is why yeah tricky yeah but even you can use as a can you use that phase directly you mean this one whereas the d yeah this one is direct yeah if you take just the original phase and the but this is phase of your d spectrum no like it is not in time domain right yeah it is it is it is not a phase so of your signal it is not so then it is bit tricky yeah yeah yeah it is the phase no you can again put the that envelope with this phase together because envelope is twe like how okay but still you get only the the magnitude of your hilbert envelope yeah yeah yeah y y y you have s 5 slices like n across that way i guess you will not get the no no you g no you get the f yeah you get the complex complex spectrum with this no but you started with hil hilbert envelope no like magnitude of hilbert envelope no no i started with the d c t magnitude of no before d c t your d 0 no after d c t you are trying this is so kind of again a real trajectory right and you are trying to 1st find that hilbert envelope yeah so let us well so this is a speech ah ok so input to the d c t is the speech or like your yeah okay yeah just you are starting with no but here what i want to say is really that y it is not part of hilbert envelope it is part of the d c t signal ah ah ok ok ok so it is not it is enough if you have just this phase and f and the hilbert envelope you can put it together yeah maybe the then yeah ah okay you do not need the carrier i mean this is kind of a carrier signal but in different domain represented yeah it is in frequency domain no right right so i what i think is that we already will need to apply s kind of analysis by synthesis approach in order to get something yeah that makes sense cause it is a time domain sort of approach right and i mean and and in in fact i mean it is what you are doing is so different to most approaches to speech coding that it does not matter that we do not know much about or have not had much i it is i mean it is quite different to a lot of the traditional sort so voi you know what i no you mean ye right source filter type approaches or or whatever yeah yeah definitely it is d right right yes that is true so but now i think people but i mean that is maybe even the advantage here because you it is not speech d based which means we are not it is just a matter of minimum distortion time yeah right so you can when i tried and comparing with l p c 10 on a twice bigger or higher bit rate this work works better it seems to me yeah just for unvoiced speech 0 i am not mentioning voiceless because that is unvoiced which means whispered sure unvoiced unvoiced speech is very difficult to b sort of judge on quality compared to voiced i think yeah but when you hear and try to use some examples with the music for example plosives yeah plosives are very important though i guess yeah right yeah so maybe it does a better job of plosives that is true yeah but anyway it seemed to me pretty good i mean that there might be okay it would be nice if we had some demos here that is true yeah well i suppose have to wait to your i guess so when is your turn it should be 13th december i think 0 0 okay 0 it is a little wa 0 bugger i mean just before i just you will not be here i will not be yeah 0 you no okay you will practice it before then will not you no i just swapped it with mike perrot i think cause h he is not going to be here this time yeah he is going to oz and i was supposed to have it in in january yep so whatever anyway so but anyway i i wanted to hear something maybe from you what you are doing f with speech coding because you were you mentioned that i did yeah but we are d we are doing a more traditional s s frequency slices rather than temporal based stuff by but it was based on like you were using kind of recognizer there right yeah well that is w that was one of the approaches sure yep low bit rate and the other approach was was this h m m based stuff which is which is basically just a parameterization of the you know the the the the the source filter type parameters and then and then learning the you know training like a h speech recognition system huh right right but that is not terribly that has got no relationship to this yeah it is i am i mean yeah it is different i it is yeah but it is speech coding at least yeah sure yes speech coding i i read some of the other techniques little standards but i mean i think i think you are on the right track with the analysis by synthesis but that does not tell you how what sort of bit rates you are going to achieve or and because you have to do it separately for each band i think so right yeah sure yeah band you mean right it would be the i imagine that is the tricky part because it would be varying quite rapidly would not it your your code book like w within each when you go along the the the b the 12nd sort of segment of the band you with different i do not know but maybe what we can already do is to decrease this this distance we can do a hilbert envelope approximation with 12nd but then we can split that signal into i do not know 1010 segments with the 100 milliseconds or even less yeah yeah and we can apply some other technique for that you know yeah well i mean yeah 1st you have got to choose your approach and not worry about the band width still right and then start thinking about how to given cause i mean i guess especially cause this is a this is a more of a commercial based project exactly exactly yeah you have g c you have you have got to i match the quality before you start worrying about other things right i mean d d do they i mean what what what sort of well th more less they do not care what is what will be the quality of the of the or the bit rate they just want to get something new you know huh okay so if you get the v very low bit rate with a reasonable quality or really high bit rate 0 okay well that makes things yeah with which is c again different but with high quality they would be happy with the both yeah they are happy yeah yeah okay so you know on one side it is pretty good but on the other you do not know which way you should go cause there are many of them cool yeah you know the the yeah sure sure and and at the moment you are at sort of a point where maybe you have to make that choice a little bit right right yeah yeah okay well i i will w do you want to mention your speech coding experiments yeah no no no yeah so you are saying that you are doing something i in india with yeah but it is mostly like this is s celp and these thing so you know the sub like more details no i was t doing some like writing some code for testing and these things where i am making some t standards for that yeah which is not so so th th there are like li the thing these standards how it works is like they give all the pseudo code kind of thing and then they put severe test conditions yeah so you have to pass those test conditions like then j you can say okay we implemented d 78 or d se 0 yeah okay yeah al although the standards depending on what standard you are dealing with sometimes it can be quite ambiguous right yeah i mean all the m peg standards are basically this is the container we do not care how you do it right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but it has got to fit inside this this sort of this sort of format right right yeah so that is why it is really even the t standards they give the test signals also you are t you can not really do it on whatever database you have okay so so you are to use the yeah and then you have the v and then you have to do m 0 s testing and it yeah it is more like they define so i did for some even also they are also they define all this the speech condition everything they define so you need to follow all those okay right i see yes this industry is again different like yeah yeah but it is quite interesting with the even with th s current speech coding technologies we are they are still trying to use k zap or those r p based approaches yeah i think there is not only se most yeah there is nothing new more or less well ho it and if i when i was listening the the talk of milan jelinek he is the czech guy but he lives in in canada i do not know the name of the university but they they have the pattern i think for celp even or ah okay celp is from a t and t no i do not know how it is exactly but they got very very famous for this for that celp like a t and yeah yeah it the all this l p c stuff is yeah what they did exactly i do not know if something different a little bit or not ah ok or they just keep those patterns or i do not know how it is exactly ah okay maybe hynek will know much more yeah yeah yeah but when i heard those that presentation they did not do so much new yeah well i th i mean it was last year and i think hynek no no no he was asking wh so what is new that you are so famous with that and they n they said okay we we know exactly how to do that i mean you know not to make any errors like in because everybody knows how to do that yeah the but it is not so easy to implement it right no no no so there is nothing so much new really like yep yeah that is the main thing even well the the what is what is new is in the transmission medium yeah like you know new like higher band width transmission or or like packet packetized based transmission yeah right yeah and then all th that sort of thing right the where th where they are they are not so much looking at the algorithm but so much as how to incorporate the algorithm within a new transi mission sort of s medium exactly yeah yeah like i basically s like i mean if you d if you see a lot of papers on like on voice over i p or whatever voice over i p or yeah the the publications are sort of like how do we deal with packet loss yeah yeah right or or how was it affected by packet loss and and and things like that right ri right exactly exactly but then they are s still using like error signal which is going to be approximated by code book right yeah sure and a linear prediction which is use which is approximating just the spectrum of for for and everything that that is that is all yeah yeah so still yeah and again lot of this stuff like whe even when i was working mostly that company was developing for voice over i p so they are to put all these things on again d s p s and also it is mostly like how to how many l p c s are yeah how many co yeah it is optimation and then it is even right yeah yeah and optimization of the code and all that sorta stuff yeah but even that is less of a big deal now right because all the little i s yeah yeah again now now now even they are also becoming yeah right even the memories are not really yeah not really you could trow matlab on a mobile phone these days yeah yeah yeah well maybe not but so even i think then you can have whatever band width is yeah it is short really well i hope that we still have a a lot of time for that because but no i think but still then that is what maybe people are going toward sign sort of modeling no like i was before when the bandwidth conditions were really stringent then they were using all the p l p c based source filter i think yeah it is pretty interesting yeah y yeah for example when i was you know harmonic voice modeling that h m m system which is using used for synthesis more less yeah which david did yeah yeah it is pretty interesting i mean it it works it works well yeah it is good yeah yeah if you want you can look at his code and yeah we have got all his code implemented but only th yeah yeah so it was not perfect right there was little bit of bugs with some of the matching but it was pretty hard to tell that it was m not not perfect unless you heard the samples sort of next to one another yeah yeah so that is not too bad but definitely it is better than co coded speech no right different 0 sure yeah it is really but how much you can get the compress these like what you are telling is you can do all these tricks like and i mean it yeah yeah it is well th yeah these yeah the only trick is the phase and we have got a student starting in january who is going to start working on on how to actually efficiently parameterize the the h m m yeah yeah you mean in sinusoidal modeling in yeah and i think i think we have got a number of ideas for the the spectrum that is easily enough handled just using standard techniques yeah but the and but anyway do you know exactly how it is done when you really have those m f c c coefficients which means magnitude spectrum and then you are trying to reconstruct the speech without phase without a phase i have got no idea you reviewed a paper on a because i i tried you know those th those papers well yeah i read i reviewed one paper like yeah the that is that is from no but s i am little confused about it i do not know how it works yeah maybe you can look at dates from you know east of east yeah east anglia but steven cox is not it yeah which one yeah this e east university of east anglia ben milner university of east anglia it is near c sort of it is it is near the sorta cambridge side of england i guess yeah i yeah it is yeah i can forward you that they are doing lot of tricks yeah that would be nice they are like they are again training gaussian mixtures for different frequencies and then but they can they are following the yeah 0 you know m but there are some algorithms which were quite no the much more mathematical i think yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah just basically doing a search through or or stuff stuff like that do not they yeah or no no the those things are again based on l p c no like mainly like yeah it seems to me yeah something like that whereas like the pitch estimation in in the x waves or these things they are all dynamic programming based on again l p c analysis like try you know what you can do maybe yeah what you can do is take just the minimum phase of which you can get from a linear prediction right yeah you know what i mean minimum phase signal and then construct that and it sounds quite reasonably the 2 yeah but of course they are li it is not original at all so i do not know how they do that exactly huh no no i have no idea yeah again like no the problem is different for everybody like these guys what they are doing for distributor speech recognition mainly this so yeah yeah right true right sure where you have only got the m f c c s yeah m f c c s but th i think i think the i think it was to was it to do with aurora or something so no it is e t s a or something the okay european standard yeah hynek really n yeah even it is h kind of aurora framework for n for aurora we did not do anything with that i was so yeah okay yeah but we did not do any speech recon re reconstruction no but now it is bit yeah yeah now they are yeah yeah sure yeah but it w it was for say say you have got someone who has you know they want to dispute that this is what they actually said by the recognition right and the recognition network was wrong and you owe me money or whatever and then they can say well we have we have reconstructed your speech from the speech recogni input to the speech recognizer and then yeah m f c s hey voila it sounds like you i mean obviously there is a lot more to it than that there is a lot of sort of well does the quality stand up to legal sort of requirements or whatever right right right but but even at distant point they are planning to use for j standard d s m or d s it is not or 0 no that there is a separate set of standards i think for speech recognition yeah e e t s a i yeah y yeah yeah yeah european yeah commission yep so which i think requires you know that states the un the information they can send is this m yeah yeah so i do not know whether you tack on any extra phase information or whatever yeah you have to deal with what you are given yeah so yeah i yeah all these standards are really okay yeah i do not know i i it would be interesting you i mean maybe that is the best approach to look at to begin with is just pretend all you have got is you mean with this phase sure yeah because you can also interpolate the pitch information from the the spectrum as well yeah yeah but yeah they do some kind of reconstruction of speech they do that yeah yeah yeah so i mean maybe try to see how good you can go without transmitting any of that information right that is true yeah but the quality again problem no like the pitch was really good i thought i th did not think you could really tell no no the the eu again european standard what this give us they give the m f c c s and they give the pitch yeah then you are to construct the thing yeah but if have m f c c s then like again you have to get the high order m f c c s and then yeah then you are have to yeah but but the thing is if it is mel scaled if you have a mel scale you get quite fine reconstruction of the spectrum at the lower frequencies it which is what you need for reconstruction of the pitch anyway yeah right yeah yeah so i mean if you wanted to transmit with fewer bands you would maybe still keep the lower bands or or maybe you could still transmit the pitch so yeah the pitch is not that big a deal but it would be nice if you did not because then i mean that is well yep yep i mean it is worth giving it a go and then men maybe seeing wh what information you can add to the data stream to improve performance sure yeah i do not know yeah okay that that would be cool so how about you so get coding i have never done any coding in my life so i just have one curiosity so this is coding then s you code the speech then you are also supposed to transmit the speech right th let us say in g s m or something else yeah yeah i remember when i was doing some image processing there were techniques for compressing and then coding so adding channel information on the image at the same time in order to save sound bits you mean like channel and source coding together you see what i mean exactly or no i d was just wondering if there is some s someone was doing it with speech as well well i can imagine kind of like j peg operations which might be more less like it is source coding and then we also channel coding because we just smooth the or just i do not know well actually when you compress yeah all like 1st you compress the signal right i do not know and then you al you add com some complexity to the signal in order to recover the error right right right r right right so i was wondering if by any chance there was something like this in speech with the speech i do not know you do not know okay i think w i do not know so much about s channel coding like those huffman coding stuff and you know ah well i mean huffman is easy enough i mean it is just standard yeah yeah well it is not the most difficult right but but yeah sure they are just standard techniques but that that is where i stop run length encoding i am out of here but i think again it is different no like these standards again all these g s m standards yeah exactly maybe they have the compression standards and again coding stand but maybe i i read ah yeah yeah yeah sure sure and and this was the problem actually because you were i do not remember anything like yeah they are doing yeah combi yeah the even even g even normal g 79 normal speech coder no not not in g s m definitely definitely not so they have the speech coding standards again okay they are these channel coding then th they some you know source okay so yeah so it is so yeah yeah b okay just one i mean i i th i think they do try to i mean obviously the 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[ "no 00 can not be able to go 0 good 0 my god still does not feel natural yeah i wish you know the the room just attacked when a meeting started starting okay so you could start it was your idea so i should start no so i thought that we might speak a little bit of speech coding because nobody is doing here speech coding and i would like to have some maybe feedback back because exactly me i am supposed to do some speech coding stuff here with hinek but you know that a little bit at least that it is based on some let us say hilbert transforms using longer temporal context and deriving some parameters which would be trans transmitted to the coder and so it is a little bit different than the stuff which people are using now which is like lpc based based and but we are at the beginning with everything more or less so still we can encode speech but of course there is there many problems which we still did not solve and the biggest one is quite similar to lpc stuff where people still do not know how to exactly encode the carrier or the source signal you know what to do with the envelope or how to approximate the envelope let us say when you have got maybe is the whiteboard working or no you mean that it would be nice to maybe show us yeah just on paper you can read it on the paper so what we are doing now yeah yeah you mean okay everybody knows our pc stuff how it works so i do not have to present anything more or else but it is more or less simple we have as i said at the beginning there is some speed signal what we are we might see it in a very simple way that we are using some hilbert transform at the beginning to create analytic signal the analytic signal is the signal which is a complex which you can create from the real some sequence and if you get if you apply a hilbert transform on such a speech signal like real trajectory then you get a complex signal and if you take just the amplitude then you get hilbert envelope code so i do not know yeah let us say so is this different from the original plp too stuff then is it yes it is not be a bit at all that is what you started with was not it the stuff that marius no but marius is it is only stuff no marius is all the same hilbert transform okay i know what you mean with the plp they were applying plp with some iteration with this one approach they were doing some smoothing of a spectrogram in 2 ways he is fromiturizing it both temporarily and across the spectrum but plp is using just the spectral direction let us say you are doing for every 20 milliseconds processing one feature vector here you are processing one spectral band frequency band so it is a different direction yeah anyway this is very simple so applying that absolute operation you get hilbert envelope and of course there is the face so it is just the complex operation and that is more or less all what we are doing so now what we know is how to approximate that hilbert envelope we are applying that hilbert what is the mario what is the mario is stuff so he knows how to encode the hilbert envelope some kind of dcd or like lss or lpc you are applying again some linear prediction model yeah but it is a linear prediction model but it is a different linear prediction model it is a complex linear prediction it is a little bit different it is not applied in a frequency domain so instead of classical lpc domain where you have a spectrum let us say something like that and you are applying some linear prediction model which is trying to approximate the spectrum right so this is frequency in our case we are trying to approximate kind of instantaneous energy so if this is a time and you get one frequency band you can see something like this and we are trying to approximate that envelope which is that hilbert envelope right so again we know what 2 know what to more or less we know what to do with herbert and envelope we know that we can apply their prediction model and it works pretty well but if you want to really well construct the speech signal or the you need the face you need also the face signal which is in some sense quite simple for voice speech signal say because you use linear face or the face no you it is a face or you can even call it like a carrier so the carrier is if you know modulation right you might see something like there is really one cosine which is very with quite a same frequency but depends on how this i mean you are talking yeah just the carrier okay yeah it is not necessarily phase but if you are using some it is called like the soyd or right right exactly so this is the signal which you also have to somehow encode or transmit from a code to decoder in order to resynthesize it so what sort of bit right do you get for the encoding of the the hilbert transform the spectrogram what do you mean what sort of coding do you get so far for this one no no no no the linear prediction yeah yeah well it is just the linear prediction classical way i mean 0 okay well if you want to see it in more details no no no but what sort of bit rate do you get is it do you have any sort of idea of what sort of bandwidth 0 you mean bittrate yeah bitrate yeah yeah sure sure so more as we are what we are using now is let us say something like one2 kilobits per 2nd for that hilbert envelope okay and that is with a fully optimized sort of compression scheme or that is just the raw data it is again roughly estimated so much but we still know that we can go down yeah sure sure you just cut out fewer bands and just use interpolation or whatever exactly yeah we are using like 15 bands okay that is with the full spectrum from basically being used right but they are 1st they are inter well integrated into 15 bands using a classical way like in mfcc or mpop you just apply some those triangular windows or something like that in order to to get really just 15 bands right and each band is then processed independently yeah yeah so for one band we more or less have like 100 bits for a 2nd that is quite good so here by and enoch was showing me how scalable it is in terms of you can take half the bands away and still get decent performance you take 3 quarters of them away it starts to decrade but it is still intelligible that sort of thing yeah okay and that is without doing any sort of prediction of what the missing bands might be right you just leave them out right that is what we did you could be able to do some sort of code book missing data sort of based up yeah there are many things we did not try at all but yeah exactly but now what i am really trying to do is somehow approximate that carrier signal to do something with the carrier there are many simple things which you can do like quantization scholar quantization for example it would be nice to have a scalable scheme though would not it because you have got a nice scalable scheme for the coding of the smooth spectrum it would be nice to have some sort of scalable coding scheme for the voice signal as well right you mean something like a kelp coding system where you are or well i do not know no what is exactly scalable system what you mean well different bit rates for the actual excitation as well yeah because i mean it would be nice let us say if you had 1200 bits for the smooth spectrum and 1200 bits for the voice but i think this approach can do that because you really can split into several bands and you can decide how many bands you want more i have a question is the scale linear or is melt scale like in m yeah this is a bark scale it is a bar scale like in so it is being more wider for high frequencies and of course the space the overlapping is different right right yeah but what i my sense is that it is not so much important still i mean it does not matter if you use malescale or biscale but no no just long as it is some sort of right yeah but that is what we are using actually we are using just gaussian windows here instead of those triangles because they are more smooth or no it is better than for decoding is better to play with them because they are not 0 anywhere you know they are approaching or in limit they are in 0 but actually they are not so you do not have to care about some 0 values here but more or less it does not matter we are using just gaussian windows okay so after you are doing lsf so like how you are finally encoding so that the hilbert envelope is approximated by linear prediction so you have lpc coefficients which you can transcribe into lss which are and then vector quantiles right exactly so 1st you apply these triangular filters and then do lpc coding or right exactly so 1st well the approach is quite simple so at the beginning we applied dct in order to get to frequency domain then you apply those triangle or gaussian windows so this is done for 12nd 8000 samples for 8 club hertz summary frequency right so for such dct trajectory you apply those gaussian windows and then so you split into frequency sub bends and then each one frequency submen is more or less you can you do lp analysis on each subband you right exactly you are just just apply llp so out of correlation let us say or you can do power spectrum whatever yeah so you for each one you get lsfs here so how many ls you are using well i am using now like 20 lsfs per 12nd per one frequency band so but you are 15 how many bands you are not skipping any bands or like no no if i just keep 15 into 20 then so to very ourselves each one is quantized by 4 or 5 bits okay so it is yeah it is 300 of what 300 bits it is total of 300 sort of parameters per 2nd true yeah yeah but face you are not encoding anything face you are directly transmitting you mean this fight the hilbert carrier or yeah yeah yeah no of course you are not transmitting that at all really at this point in time are yeah you are not transmitting at all well there are many things you can do we do not what 1st thing what you can really do is just to replace it by gaussian noise yeah yeah it is noise so you can really use like in a lpc system like whispering type synthesis exactly or you can replace it by some cosine one cosine generated in a center frequency of that gaussian window or one of these glottal pulse things and just use basic lpc 10 style right yeah which is probably i mean if you were going to aim for like a very low rate code below 500 bits per 2nd i guess that is probably fine so what is the standard knowledge kids it is 2 kilobits per 2nd the lowest standard is melp i think which is 2400 the standard it has been implemented at 1200 it is per 2nd using more complicated quantization schemes and stuff like that 1200 yeah i think so yeah yeah it is possible i saw it they used matrix quantization on the lp on the lsf parameters or whatever yeah but i mean that is quite it becomes quite computationally right but i mean i imagine the same sort of approach could be well i am just comparing in with lpc 10 standard which is like classical lpc a little bit optimized so then the there is i think 24 kilobits per 2nd to be trade for that yeah that is the same 20 mumps a lot better quality though yeah definitely but this is codexed you have codebook no i mean lpc then is just lpc 0 it is not codex no no i think just noise or just those impulses i think self or kelp or however you pronounce that it is about 4800 i think yeah it is one kilobite well the standard is 4800 or something that is i think even gsm and all this g 7 to 9 or based around that yeah on based on self at least it gives it is not terribly interesting though but still there is a code book no so that is a which may be better than using just random noise well i mean you have got a bunch of options have not you you can use like a code excited or you could use a well more or less what we did not do is analysis by synthesis right so that is what sal is doing right no yeah yeah sure sure yeah so this is what we really did not do and that might help a lot of course yeah but what is more interesting yeah exactly that is the question i suspect with something like help you are going to get a lot higher bandwidth are not you i mean it is a higher bandwidth standards it will be yeah yeah sure for example what i also did was a simple pick picking algorithm so if you take a look on the spectrum of that carrier signal which is more or less like the cosine if you really take a look on that but it is kind of frequency shifted cosine or frequency modulated cosine right so the frequency still will be changing yeah yeah yeah of course the amplitude is not constant all the time it should be theoretically but practically not so what you can see for 12nd signal you more or less you really might see some like 11 impulse there or spectral line for but usually there are many others which are quite small but they are quite important if you do not transmit them then the signal is quite robotic or something like that so if you really transmit just one spectral line but this is what you can do and you can understand pretty well this signal is audible or if you really just find one line one dominant one in the spectrum of the herbert carrier and you just transmit this parameter because it is a bit tricky is not it it is not like a standard i am just thinking i mean what sort of option it is not like you can not just do standard inverse filtering for single reconstruction or anything like that can you it is even easier because what you have to do is just divide you just multiply that hilbert anil by that hilbert carrier that is all 0 okay and then you just then you just do the inverse fft or whatever inverse yeah yeah exactly okay so you just multiply that one helbert carrier which is transcribed by lsfs yeah by that this one ifft signal so but that is going to be susceptible to having phase problems is that when you 0 you mean the face of that of that carrier output signal of course i tried to play also with that and i found that it does not matter so much which what is the face because we are using just 12nd window yeah right so of course there might be some disturbed when you can cut an end those segments together but then the face might be important yeah but otherwise i mean i did not find anything important with the face like quick keep the face 0 and it works or and i mean there is research that has been published showing you know speech reconstruction from the essentially the spectrogram without phase information right right right yeah but it is again a little different because they are doing this in a frequency domain yes but this is in time domain yes but i mean you can reconstruct the entire right the spectrogram spectrogram from that can you so you could do it that way because i am just thinking there is a heaps of options like if you would be exactly the same with soniosoidal coding or something like that all you need is the reconstruction of the spectrogram in order to estimate the harmonic amplitudes exactly what we can also do very simply is just to get the magnitude spectrogram using this approximation without a carrier just hilbert and evolve but you just get it in this way in the way of routes right right but you can also get this short time for your transform just by really and keep right just classical frame by frame algorithm 20 milliseconds but you keep just the faces yeah yeah instead of magnitudes and you can put this together okay right and it works pretty well then the signal is not just whispered and you really hear that there is the voiceless in the signal okay but of course the quiet is not so good still but you can use it for like 2 or 3 kibits per 2nd and it works yeah but that is a big thing at the moment is not it if you are like yeah if the if the encoding rates 2 kilobits per 2nd for the the excitation component of the signal it does not matter how efficient your encoding of the spectrogram is you are always going to have a high relatively high bit right yeah sure anyway so maybe it would be nice if you tell us what you do with a speech coding because i did not see any of phds of you i think so if you did something so maybe it would be interesting at least yeah yeah well one could argue it is it is a field that is quite a sort of a niche these days is not it yeah sure but yeah but it is more towards industry and standards yeah because i worked in the industry for like a small time but there they used to implement all these coders jism and itu standards so you were when did you do that no just before my phd i had for like a few months yeah but the like industry is really a big deal like so they work on a lot of these standards i think so yeah but mostly they are all based on self and like mainly yeah yeah so is being sued in the us for their tri band usage because you mean using that cdma no no g s because they do not have gsm in the us or they did not have gsm in the us yeah it is not gsm right it is cdm is another level i think no cdm is there but now slowly they are introducing gsm also well that is tri band yeah gsm tri bend yeah gsm frequencies are different yeah yeah and apparently not is in a bit of trouble over that one but yeah it is interesting yeah i know it is really big competition i think there is a lot of money in that yeah it should have been a lawyer like speech recognition of course it is very interesting but people do not use it so much as well that is just coding just telephoning right i mean coding is a much more sort of standard it is well i mean it is it is it boils down to just mathematics it is a right there does not it it is it is just a sort of communications right right so very do you think your thing is useful in cdma or jsm no i think maybe in cdme it maybe well what they were thinking about is 0 cdma i mean there more time domain they are doing newly well the problem is this in with this application or it does not have to be problem but one constraint is that we are processing 12nd of the signal you can go down of course but then you are losing a little bit of the bit right let us say right so but there are many applications where you really can use it because you do not care about algorithm delay 12nd algorithm delay like for i do not know if instead of sms you can really have some other channel yeah sure sure where you just talk and stuff right yeah so and i mean as you say i mean that delay is i mean you can squash that delay to some extent right right i think as far as the you know delayless coding goes i do not think you can probably do much more than what is already been achieved because to get higher compression you have to you know take advantage of redundancy over longer times spans so but even already this long line telephones they already have delay no at least half a 2nd yeah sure but i mean that is transmission delay not algorithmic delay if you add those together you end up with a yeah but mobile we might have someone else joining our i do not know i mean you be you tried sonysoidal coding based approaches did not you which one soniastal coding 0 well but the sinusoid coding is usually when you at least what i think or what i know is when you are doing sinusoid coding it means you just take the speech signal at the beginning right and you are trying to find to harmonics in yeah to find a harmonics in a temporal domain right for that yeah it is a term yeah but i mean the thing is you need part of the parameter set for that is are the are the harmonic amplitudes right now one way of compressing the harmonic amplitudes is just storing the smooth spectrum and then you can interpolate yeah you can just pick the the harmonic amplitudes on that spectrum when you reconstruct right on that smooth version of the spectrum more or less i did it maybe different way but kind of algorithm like okay trying to find out the strongest or the most dominant peaks in the spectrum which is more as the same but maybe the bitrate is the problem no like what david was doing like it is really it is quite high bit right but i mean once again it maybe it is something that is scalable but you know the yeah maybe you can just see how many harmonics he was using 20 i think like yeah maybe you can try to reduce well i mean you can use as many harmonics as you want i mean he was just using the fundamental frequency right and if you are smooth at doing a smooth spectrum representation of the harmonic amplitude you only need to store the fundamental frequency and the maximum voice frequency and everything else can be multiple so yeah sure yeah so and then but then the tricky thing that we had not figured out was the phase information you are taking yeah but but you can still get a like you get basically if you do phase unraffing and all of these other tricks you end up with some sort of phase representation which is some kind of monotonically decreasing yeah if you if it is unveraping i mean unveraping phase yeah so i mean it is something that you could conceivably represent in some sort of low sort of you know low bit rate representation i guess right and then maybe you would need some sort of correction to correct minor phase discontinuities at some point in time i also play with that and for example what i found well in this case we are not trying to encode the speech signal we are trying to encode some carrier which is much easier i would say yeah yeah you can see that even yeah okay so where i was trying to encode the phases so i just found just 2 bits is enough for that and you really do not hear the difference so if you keep all the spectral lines as they were there but you are just quantizing with 2 bits or 3 bits for amplitude 2 bits 4 of your face so it is okay okay the problem is that you have to transmit many of them because there is not just one domain component but usually more others which are quite small right or what you have to do then you have to decrease the size of not 12nd but you have to go down because then you can get just voice part and unvoiced part you know 12nd it is usually mixed right somehow together but you do not do any voice on voice decision not now no no it is even advantage i think you want to have choices we do not want to do that because in science model modeling it is really another issue like that is one of the big problems with lpc 10 for instance it stinks because this hard exactly yeah and then you have to combine all this right harmonic model and noise models again you may end up some joining but for example what we also found is that if you use just the herbert envelope that that one which is trying to approximate that in centaural energy in some low band like around 200 hertz and you take a look on the signal on the trajectory you can see that it works like kind of a voice detection because for low energies there is usually noise for high energies there is kind of harmonicity yeah so it works pretty well for that so we might use this one information that that 200 this is what they use like i am they do use this for i think so for pitchmarking in speech this is why alan black is code uses but it is very speaker dependent on what sort of bandwidth you look at this hilbert right depending on the pitch depending on the pitch depending on the person you will get a different amount of smoothing at a certain sort of yeah so i mean you know if it is a female speaker for instance that is true yeah yeah so you have to tune a lot of parameters yeah yeah that is a problem but anyway you do not really need hard decisions no like voiced and voice 0 so maybe it may help everybody that would be nice not to have anything later yeah but from memory that basic script that they had was not very effective i mean maybe if you did some sort of initial 1st guess and then then shows your smoothing factor based on that yeah yeah selecting any particular point of what the pitch is at the point is may be inaccurate but if you estimated it over a 2nd you should be able to get a decent estimate exactly but do you really really need it or like well i do not know maybe if we really want to improve the quality then we will need it i do not know but it is not really you do not need to specify at each point not now yeah well i am going to have a time next month or in 3 weeks so i will try to play some examples there yeah it would be nice to really see what this what you are actually trying to reconstruct here what we are trying to this carrier signal what it really how does it look like yeah and you did say it looks like a frequency modulated cosine yeah more or less it is kind of not frequency let us say amplitude modulation where you have just the carrier and that modulations now right but you are changing even frequency is also shifting not like you are telling you what have to make is pitch shifts yeah yeah exactly so then yeah then it is not exactly amplitude modulation so it is in between maybe it is in between so it is not this and that but still yeah but anyway what also the another approach which is possible to use the the other is one to keep the face like this 12 spectrograms one the face one the magnitude yeah and well i can again play it and it works on 2 kilobits per 2nd that is what marius did no but he was keeping all the face in front no what he was doing he was using for speech recognition what i know but i know that he is not he did not do anything he just transmitted it that is why he was aiming for speech coding i mean he is not really kind of doing speech coding but he wants to do it on music so he does not really care about the bandwidth so he want to have the quality i do not know i do not know but even especially the audio cds and that is what he was telling like yeah at least even 10 kb 20 kilobits also is okay right so yeah but he is he is not touching face at all i think he is just transmitting all the face and then well for example the envelope yeah right yeah yeah i think so there are more papers which are using this approach like trying to encode the magnitude and then leaving the face or you just really can again the face can be replaced by the noise which is pretty good so that is the bandwidth variable approach so if you really do not have a bandwidth you just can replace it by noise and it works of course then it does not sound as the original because it is more whispered or whatever but you can understand well and for example if you you mentioned this one approach with that trajectory of the face of unverp face trajectory are also used because you can do it here when you get into this domain where you apply or you are trying to compute power spectrum in order let us say that this kind of trajectory it does not fit this in frequency or time domain but here you are trying to compute doing to do linear prediction so we are just doing fftr right then applying power in order to get to power domain and then ifft right so you get the auto collection coefficient so before you are applying power spectrum you can again get the you have the complex frequency or complex spectrum you can get the face right and the face look quite similar like this so you might see it is yes more or less like a line yeah and it does start to get a little bit right non linear towards the end but normally that is yeah that is when the components are not actually probably going to be audible anyway in voice speech right right but this phase is different from your career yeah it is very different yeah because you are just doing on your you are doing in different domain yeah and this is in frequency domain this entire way it is quite sensible to any quantization what i found really it looks like the line so you just say okay let us put the line there but it does not work well you can understand but you can hear that there are many because any sort of error in that in that that line is transmitted is realized in the net as a right and the other problem is that it is not banner with variable so you cannot say that this part will be just the noise which you can do here in this this approach so that is why i did not play with that some more because i found there more these advantages than the advantages this approach so that is why but even you can use it can use that face directly you mean this one yeah just the original face and but this is face of your spectrum like it is not tip time yeah it is not a face of your signal it is not yeah yeah so then it is pretty tricky like how no you can again put that envelope with this face together because but still you get only the magnitude of your hilbert envelope you do not no you have face slices like slices like a w spectrum yeah you get a complex spectrum with this no but you started with hilbert envelope no like magnitude of no no i started with dct no before dct you are no after dct you are trying this is kind of again a real trajectory right and you are trying to 1st find that hilbert envelope so else so you input to the dct is the speech or like your this is a speech okay just you are starting no but here what i want to say is really that it is not part of hilbert enelope it is part of the dct skills you know so yeah maybe the then it is enough it is enough if you have just this face and and the hilbert envelope you can put it together you do not need the career i mean this is kind of carrier signal but in different domain represented yeah it is in frequency domain right right so i what i think is that we are really need to apply kind of analysis by synthesis approach in order to yeah that makes sense because it is a time domain sort of right approach and i mean and in fact i mean that is what you are doing is so different to most approaches to speech coding that it does not matter that we do not know much about no it is i mean it is quite different to a lot of the traditional sort of voice you know source filter type approaches or whatever right right that is true but i mean that is maybe even the advantage here because you it is not speech based which means it is just a matter of minimum distortion time right so you can when i try it and comparing with lpc 10 on a twice bigger or higher bitrate this work works better it seems to me just for unvoiced speech i am not mentioning voice ness because that is unvoiced unvoiced speech is very difficult to sort of judge on quality compared to the voice dice yeah but when you hear and try to hear some examples with the music for example yeah plosives are very important no i guess right yeah so maybe it does a better job of blazers that is true yeah anyway it seemed to me pretty good okay it would be nice if we had some demos here that is true i should have to wait to your term i guess so when is your time it should be 13 december 0 bugger i just i will not be here you will be here you will practice it before then right okay i just swapped it with mike perrow i think because he is not going to be here yeah it is going to us and i was supposed to have it in a in january so whatever anyway so but anyway i wanted to hear something maybe from you what you were doing with speech coding because you mentioned that i did yeah but we are doing a more traditional by frequency slices rather than temporal based but it was based on like you were using kind of recognize it there right yeah well that was one of the approaches sure yeah and the other approach was was this based stuff which is which is basically just a parameterization of the you know the the the the source filter type parameters and then and then learning the you know training right speech recognition system but that is not terribly that is got no relationship to this yeah it is different but speech coding at this yeah sure speech cutting i read some of the other techniques or standards but i mean i think i think you are on the right track with a nois or synthesis but that does not tell you how what sort of bit rates you are going to achieve or right yeah sure and because you have to do it separately for each band right would be there i imagine that is the tricky part because it would be varying quite rapidly would not it your your code book like you are within each with different when you go along the the one 2nd sort of segment of the band maybe what we can already do is to decrease this distance we can do hilbert envelope approximation with 12nd but then we can split that signal into i do not know 10 then segments yeah we did 100 milliseconds or even less and we can apply some other technique for that you know well i mean yeah 1st you have got to choose your approach and not worry about the bandwidth right exactly exactly start thinking about how to give it because i mean i guess especially because this is a more of a commercial based project you have got to match the quality before you start worrying about other things right i mean do they i mean what sort of more or less they do not care what will be the quality of the trade they just want to get something new so if you get the very low bitrate with reasonable quality or very high bitrate which is again different but with high quality they will be happy with the both okay so you know on one side it is pretty good but on the other you do not know which way you should go yeah sure sure and at the moment you are at sort of a point where maybe you have to make that choice a little right yeah okay i will do you want to mention your speech coding experiments no no so you are saying that you are doing something in india yeah but it is mostly like this is self and this so you know the self like no i was doing some more details like writing some code for testing and these things so i am making some standards yeah which is no so there are like the thing the standards how it works is like is like they give all the pseudo code kind of thing and then they put severe test conditions so you have to pass those test conditions like 0 yeah then you can say okay we implemented g 70 although the standards depending on what standard you are dealing with sometimes it can be quite ambiguous right i mean all the latest mpeg standards are basically this is the container we do not care how you do it right but it has got a fit inside this right this sort of this sort of format even the standards give the test signals also you can not really do it on whatever database you have okay and then you have to use and then you have to do mos testing yeah it is more like yeah they define so i did for some even a co cancel also there also they define what is the overlap speech condition everything they define so you need to follow all those yes this industry is again differently you know but it is quite interesting with even with current speech technology they are still trying to use salp or those lp days there is using only there is nothing new more than if i when i was listening the the talk of milan ealing he is the czech guy but he lives in in canada i do not know the name of the university but they they have the pattern i think for kelp even for okay kelp is from at t i do not know how it is exactly but they got very very famous for this for that cell what they did exactly i do not know if something different a little bit or not or they just keep those patents or i do not know how it is exactly maybe hineg will know much more but when i heard those the presentation they did not do so much new i mean it was last year and i think he nek he was asking so what is new that you are so famous with that and then they said okay we we know exactly how to do that i mean you know not to make any errors because everybody knows how to do that but it is not so easy to implement it right there is nothing so much new yeah there is the main thing what is new is in the transmission medium like you know new like higher bandwidth transmission or like packetized based transmission and all that sort of thing where they are not so much looking at the algorithm but so much as how to incorporate the algorithm within a new transmission sort of medium like i mean if you if you see a lot of papers on like voice over ip or whatever the publications are sort of like right how do we deal with packet loss or how is it affected by packet loss and but then they are still using like air signal which is going to be approximated by code book right yeah sure and the linear prediction which is you which is approximating just the spectrum 4 months and everything that that is that is all so and again lot of this stuff like where even when i was working mostly that company was developing for voice or ip so they have to put all these things on again dsps and also it is right how to how many lpcs are yeah how many yeah it is real optimization and then but even that is less of a big deal now right because all of it all you can know no no no even they are also becoming yeah even the memories are not really not really you can throw matlab on a mobile phone these so even i think then you can have whatever bandwidth is it is not really well i hope that we still have a lot of time for that because but still then that is what maybe people are going towards sensor modeling i always before when the bandwidth conditions were really stringent then they were using all the lpc base for example when i was you know harmonic noise modeling that h m system which is using used for synthesis more it is pretty interesting i mean it is good yeah if you want you can look at his code and not yeah but only it has got implemented so it was not perfect it was a little bit of bugs with some of the phase matching but it was pretty hard to tell that it was not not perfect unless you heard the samples sort of next to one another so that is not too bad but it is better than code speech no different 0 sure yeah and i mean how much you can how much you can get compressed is like what you are telling is you can do all these tricks the only trick is the phase and we have got a student starting in january who is going to start working on how to actually efficiently parameterize the in sinusoidal modeling yeah and i think we have got a number of ideas for the spectrum that is easily enough handled just using standard techniques but anyway do you know exactly how it is done when you really have those mfcc options which means magnitude spectrum and then you are trying to reconcile the speech without face without the face i have got no idea i you know those i reviewed one paper like yeah that is i am not too confused about it i do not know yeah maybe you can look at dates from university of east yeah which one university of east anglia university of east anglia it is near sort of it is near the sort of cambridge side of if yeah i can forward you they are doing a lot of tricks they are like there again training gaussian mixtures for different frequencies and then you know but there are some other things that were quite no much more mathematical yeah yeah just basically doing a search through or stuff like that do not they or no no those things are again based on lpc it seems to me yeah something like that was like the pitch estimation in the x waves or these things you know what you can do they are all dynamic programming based on again p c what you can do is take just the minimum phase of which you can get from a linear prediction right you know what i mean minimum phase signal and then construct and it sounds quite a reasonable that you can answer but of course it is not original at all so i do not know how they do that exactly i have no idea yeah again like no the problem is different for everybody like these guys what they are doing for distributors speech recognition mainly yeah right sure right the msccc the mfccc i think i think it was was it to do with aurora or something ctsa or something european standard for aura we did not do anything even it is kind of aurora framework yeah but we did not do any speech vacuum no but now it is a bit forward it was for say say you have got someone who has you know they want a dispute that this is what they actually said right by the recognition and the recognition network was wrong and you owe me money or whatever and then they can say well we have reconstructed your speech from the speech recognition input to the speech recogniser hey voila it sounds like you i mean obviously there is a lot more to it than that there is a lot of sort of well does the quality stand up to legal sort of requirements or whatever but even at some point they are planning to use for standard gsm or this it is not that i know there is a separate sort of standards i think for speech recognition ets yeah yeah european yeah which i think requires you know the state the information they can send is this so i do not know whether you can actually tack on any extra phase information or whatever you have to deal with what you are given yeah all these standards are really yeah i do not know it would be interesting i mean maybe that is the best approach to look at to begin with is just pretend all you have got is you mean with this face yeah sure because you can also interpolate the pitch information from the spectrum as well yeah they do some kind of reconstruction of pitch yeah so i mean maybe you try to see how good you can go without transmitting any of that information but the quality again the pitch was really good i thought i did not think you could really tell no no again european standards what this give is they give the mfccs and they give the pitch yeah then you are to construct the thing but you have mfcc then again you have to get the high road mfccs and then yeah but the thing is if it is mls scaled if you have a mls scale you get quite fine reconstruction of the spectrum at the lower frequencies which is what you need for reconstruction of the pitch anyway right yeah so i mean if you wanted to transmit with fewer bands you would maybe still keep the lower bands or maybe you could still transmit the pitch the pitch is not i think it would be nice if you did not because then i mean that is well i mean it is worth giving it a go and then maybe seeing what information you can add to the data stream to improve performance sure yeah i do not know okay that would be cool so how about you so how about you i have never done any coding in my life so i just have one curiosity so this is coding then you call the speech then you are supposed to transmit the speech right yeah let us say in gsm or something else yeah i remember when i was doing some image processing there were techniques for compressing and then coding so adding channel information on the image at the same time in order to save some bits you mean like channel and source coding together exactly i was just wondering if there is some someone was doing it with with speech as well well i can imagine kind of like jpec operations which might be most like its source coding and maybe also channel coding because you are just smoothed or just well actually when you compress yeah well like 1st you compress the signal right and then you add some complex to the signal in order to recover the error right right so i was wondering if by any chance there was something like this in speech with the speech i do not know you do not know i do not know so much about channel code like those hoofman coding stuff and well i mean halfman is easy enough yeah just standard technically it is not the most difficult right yeah sure that is where i stop one length encoding i am out of here but i think again it is different know like these standards again all these json standards yeah they have the compression standards and again coding standard but maybe i and this was the problem actually because you were i do not remember any anything like they are doing combined not in gsm definitely even even g 7 and normal speech coders so they have the speech coding standards again they have the channel code then they have some source so yeah yeah i mean i think they do try to i mean obviously the techniques they choose are supposed to be less susceptible to coding areas i mean that is maybe the limit to that again yeah it is okay i think so good yeah thank you okay thank you guys hey if you find some good paper which you yeah i totally know that that was that fame waveform prototyping code no waveform prototyping is different i was suggesting like this but that is again totally did you hear that bastion klein is you know wave he was he is really fond of the guy in speech coding like this where he proposed one prototype waveform like they take the signal and then they project into 2 dimensional and then they take the faces and it is like prototypes kind of way that you can see but it is not exactly valid so they take a slow moving waveforms slow moving signal and like fast moving and then they combine so it is like so you project signal into 2 dimensional space and then separate the slow moving parts and fast moving kind of capstone or something like that no this is a big product yeah yeah it is so now people mostly use it for like residual length coding so even if you have the lpc then you can use this for residual compression 0 that is quite interesting yeah yeah so it would be good for me exactly you can really good qualities with 4 kilo so that was that waveform coding which you put right for coding paper yeah but yeah so people can use at waveform level or at residual level so if you are using lpc you can use at residual you can see residual as some signals so it is really same residual you can clearly see whether it is fast moving yeah yeah with all these parts" ]

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[ "so we can start yeah suppose i have to do my presentation ah okay eh it is ada longmund so i will present myself i am ada longmund and as you may know it i am the pr project manager so we will have to speak about m the project our project project is to create a new remote control and as you may know there is lot of industrials interesting in creating a remote control so the remote control has to be original trendy and user friendly record so the project method is the following so if we are the functional design you have to do any individual work and also work with meetings talking with each other it will be the same for the conceptual design and also the same for the detailed design the tool training is to try out the white board so maybe someone ha we have to this whiteboard yeah maybe you can draw your favorite animal and make a list of its favorite characteristics so right now i do not know if we have to do it now maybe later later so yeah i think you can do it yeah i do not know so the selling price of the product will be €25 €25 yeah yeah i think it is quite good price yeah i it is it is reasonable s quite yeah it is reasonable i think yeah 25 and is it will be a an international remote control as we want to sell it in the entire world and the product costs will be not more than €12 and 50 centimes so as you will discuss about the remote control you will have to experience your with the remote control just maybe be imaginative with remote const con controls try to create something new and people would like to to buy and and the next meeting will start in 30 minutes so you will ha all have your spethisfispis specif specific role and you know i suppose you know what you have to do yeah and you will have to work on the design and also to work on the design of th technical fun functions of the remote control and think of the user requirement specifications i i hope so those things just refer to each of each of us i think yep yeah ami and okay i d yeah yeah so i d is for the industrial design yeah okay and u i d it is for the user interface designer yeah that is me okay and marketing expert it is me ami yeah project so i will manage all all the group you will be the manager yeah you can manage all this yeah okay good so you have questions not really so you all know what the parts of the work you have to do yeah so which you the industrial designer no i am user interf i am user interface design i am the industrial design yeah okay and you i am the industrial designer so okay okay yeah so what is the difference between user interface design d industrial design i mean you have to know ah you have to know it it is difficult it is your job so i hope you you know what it is you know very soon yeah i think so so i suppose you have to design it and you have to take care of the industrial way to transform it okay so i make u user interface yeah you you de you implement the core functions in the and i maybe you will transform it i i think the user the user interface design is he will design how the user will you know the relation between the user and you know the remote control so use it make make yeah and the industrial design it is how the object will look like maybe i think i industrial design is it is the function design yeah so the materi i design the user f user interface you design the function maybe it is the outside and the inside yeah okay okay right okay but i was thinking that he is a user cause the user interface to design for example where the but button will be you know yeah yeah but i do not know okay well you know i am the industrial designer 0 okay okay not the other one so okay okay so and the marketing expert will yeah i am just go i am trying to give you some trends about what should be done and what the users would like to have and then thi this would i guess converged to the user interface designer wi and then industrial designer and yeah ok okay and when designing y the remote control just remember that it has to be a kind of international product okay so you do not have to do something really specific as everybody everybody will have to use it it is sor the same as keyboards yeah you know you have qwerty azerty french and u k keyboard so really the remote control to be international yeah okay and not too expensive yeah and simple as we want to maximize the benefit and easy to use and you have to keep it under €12 and f 50 so yeah you have to keep in mind that the product cost will not be maxim more than 12 dot €50 ah yeah that is the problem it should be okay okay and to be sure that really people will be interested in buying a new remote control with maybe new functionalities that do not exist in the existing remote controls now okay so is it okay yeah it is clear there was a step about drawing something in the in the board i do not know yeah maybe should go and draw an animal is it are we supposed to do right now yeah yeah you try try 1st 0 right it is it is from the left to the ri it is so you think we have to do it now i d i was thinking but i n i am not sure now you can draw something which is very simple 0 you want me to draw something everybody product manager okay let us go i will try 0 maybe we should bring kemy here kemy is really good at drawing many i think everybody should do it so yeah it is not matter so you are going to draw okay it is the same as mine yeah it is a it is a cat what is this it is a fat cat it is not a fat cat it is the fat cat okay yeah it is a can you draw rabbit 0 hat ha rat a rat yeah that is difficult yes you have to draw a rat if you want a rat no a mouse is not too difficult it is your rat yeah it is okay mouse is okay yeah just go you you the closest to the whiteboard okay go right but in grow it is everybody has to grow jus okay yeah 0 okay i draw the only thing i can draw is like this 0 0 0 a duck no you love the eyes what are you i don no idea so what is this yeah that was the eyes okay a clown rabbit it is a rabbit pikachu it is a rabbit 0 yeah bugs bunny one yeah okay it is not so bad so the only thing i can draw because it is very simple okay i go what 0 so what else this was my favorite one but so you do not have a thank you a fish right a fish that is a that is a fish okay let us try to draw something you forgot the chips 0 yeah does not look so fine have to be really careful fish and chips okay it is your turn ah it is my turn 0 okay be careful okay so it is ok so what can i draw some more of no problem no problem 0 no yeah it is it is a se it is my priority this one yeah a person no it is a really crazy dog 0 yeah dog okay good transfer it is a dog in a village okay so what are you sug going to do now i think it is done yeah i think yeah it is done yeah okay just have to so we have break present project discuss a little bit about it 0 my god 0 we have 25 minutes for the meeting yeah okay so if you have questions 0 know what time is it no no it is okay yeah it is okay you know your job you know your job we have an idea yeah you know your job i have an idea of my job so yeah so okay yeah okay good" ]

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[ "most may sit which way you sit anywhere in the way i do but not at the left hey hello hello you always forget how to put it in it seems really serious so i can start so i can start yeah i suppose i have to do my presentation ah okay it is ada longman so i present myself i am adalungment and has you as you may know it i am the project manager so we will have to speak about the project our project is to create a new remote control and as you may know there is a lot of industrials interesting in creating a remote control so the remote control has to be original trendy and user friendly record so the project method is the following so for the functional design you have to do individual work and also work with meetings talking with each other with each other it will be the same for the conceptual design and also the same for the detailed design the tool training is to try out the white board maybe someone you have to go to this whiteboard maybe you can draw your favorite animal and make a list of its list of its favorite characteristics i do not know if we have to do it now maybe later later so the selling price of the project will be €25 €25 yeah i think it is quite good price it is yeah and it is and it will be a an international remote control as we want to sell it in the entire world and the product costs will be not more than €12 and 50 centimes so as you will discuss about the remote control you will have to experience your with the remote control just maybe be imaginative with remote controls try to create something new and people would like to to buy and the next meeting will start in 30 minutes so you all have your specific role and you know i suppose you know what you have to do and and you will have to work on the design and also to work on the design of technical functions of the remote control and think of the user requirements specifications those things just refer to each of us i think yeah yeah id yeah so id is for the industrial designer okay and you id it is for the user interface designer okay and marketing experts it is me i will manage all the group so you can manage all this yeah so you have questions not really so you will know what parts of the work you have to do so which you are the industrial designer i am the industry i am user interface design okay and you i am the interesting design okay okay so what is the difference between user interface design i mean you have to know it is your job so i hope you know what it is you know very soon yeah i think so i suppose you have to design it and you have to take care of the industrial way to transform it okay so i make a user interface you and maybe you will transform it will transform it i think the user interface design is he will design how the user will you know the relation between the user and the remote worker and the industrial design it is how the object will look like maybe i think the material design it is a function design i designed the user interface you design the function maybe just the outside and inside yeah okay okay but i was thinking that it is the user to the user interface to design for example whereas the button will be you know yeah yeah but i do not know okay you know i am the industrial designer 0 okay okay not the other one so and the marketing expert will yeah i am just going to i am trying to give you some trends about what should be done and what the users would like to have and then this would i guess converge to the user interface designer and then industrial designer and when designing the remote control just remember that it has to be a kind of international product so you do not have to do something really specific as everybody will have to use it it is the same as keyboards you know you have qwerty azeti french and uk keyboard so really the remote control to be international okay not too expensive as we want to maximize the benefit and you have to keep it under €12 and 50 yeah you have to keep in mind that the product cost will not be more than €1250 okay and to be sure that really people would be interested in buying a new remote control with maybe new functionalities that do not exist in the existing remote controls now okay so is it okay it is clear there was a step about drawing something in the board i do not know yeah maybe you should go and draw an animal is it i am supposed to do it right now yeah you try try it is from the left you think we have to do it now i was thinking but i am not sure how it you can draw something person which is worse than home you want me to draw something everybody let us go we should bring cammy here cami is really good at drawing i think everybody should do it so yeah it is not a matter so so so you can do intigual okay 0 it is the same as mine what is this it is a cat it is a fat cat it is not a fat cat that is the fat cat okay can you draw a rabbit 0 hot a rat a rat that is difficult yes you have to draw a rat if you want a rat if you want to rat me mouse is not too difficult mouse is okay yeah just go you are the closest to the whiteboard go to the whiteboard and draw it is everybody has to yeah okay i draw the only thing i can draw is like this 000000000 no what is i have no ideas these are the eyes yeah that was the eyes okay a clown rabbit it is a rabbit pikachu it is a rabbit it is a rabbit 0 yeah bucks bunny one yeah okay it is not so bad i only say i can draw because it is very simple i go this frenady what the train 0 dreni so what else this was my favorite one thank you a fish right that is a fish i forgot the chips 0 yeah it does not look so fine i have to be very careful fish and chips okay it is your turn it is my turn careful so so you are good these ones are no problem no problem it is a so can i draw somewhere 0 titi titi no 0 0 it is my favorite it is my favorite city this one a person no it is a very crazy dog dog good sounds fun it is a dog in a village okay so what are you going to do now i think it is done yeah i think yeah okay just to present project discuss a little bit about it 0 my god 0 we have 25 minutes for the meeting for the meaning yeah okay so if you have questions what time is it no no it is okay yeah it is okay you know your job you know your job i have an idea i have an idea of my job too okay yeah so okay okay okay good okay here is here is there is here there is a lot there is a step huh okay okay thank you i am you know no i am i am i am sitting here i am going to take the children i am going to try ah huh that is neat i am good 0 it is 0 it is great 0 i am sorry 0 i am sorry i got in the last i will go around here i am sorry" ]

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[ "0 yeah you do not put your headset microphone so we are here to just make the point well make the point yeah make the status about the shot detection okay to so you have applied the shot detector to some of the cinetis video or at least one and so we can basically maybe just comment on on this yeah maybe quickly remind what the shot detector is how the shot detector is working basically we might be able anyway to give you some reference i mean your report it is it should be described there or yeah yeah yeah yeah i have actually yeah the we can see the report here and the demo you have the report okay and the goal of this meeting is to present the video shot detector to olivier okay to olivier yeah yes okay so yeah it was my project during my internship at idiap under the supervision of jean marc and as you saw as you saw in the email i sent okay i did not send this video is the new one i just processed from your images ah okay yes the kayak wi i was not even with the other one okay yeah but let us let us start by the video from friday cinetis demo one by the way i was going to ask so i had seen the video i you did a downsampling of the video right i mean for browsing i mean yeah okay yeah so this was okay so this is hierarchical normally so you have scenes and shots but yeah here on the left you have different things but as applied kay because for instance we could probably you know okay this is like group all the initial ones into one scene and maybe after when there is some things inside it s should be another scene so okay so this detector detected the 30 shots and if you click on plus button you can expand it and see the key frames that are in fact 5 extracted frames from the shot okay which are extracted i think but i think th as it is it is t extracted without using sub shots it is simply 5 down sam yeah down sampling downsampling okay so i we can see the video actually the entire video can open with real player yeah i hope it will work so we do not have the the sound and it will not be grabbed the video will not i do not know if okay it is not good quality yeah the quality is that is why i was asking that 0 yeah yeah yeah it it is not this that you processed right no no no no no no okay okay it is in real media so it is very compressed so here we see that we the shot at 18th and after 22s and after again okay and if we go down i mean maybe in terms of shot here we can see that kay right i mean so now we see shot 7 i suppose yeah okay yeah okay shot 9 currently shot 10 probably okay 11 or 12 no 11 10 yeah or no this is 10 indeed okay and then there is yeah yeah this one it is 1112 okay or 14 seconds okay yeah okay okay yeah it is inside and yeah yes and this one yeah it is a dissolve it is a dissolve so it does not detect yeah it is really a dissolve or is it really like is you have the feeling that it is both okay when i saw the m with m player it is a dissolve yeah okay but it is it is it is not standard man made movies because i would say most of the time people couldn did not do any dissolve yeah i could see here i mean that it was like horse it was only one single one yeah okay yeah i do not know if this one if we see was correctly you see n yeah yeah yeah this is the one i i had seen yeah yeah but as i said i mean with even the motion detector when it is black it is there is not s no structure so you do not esti yeah but you do not really estimate motion but there is a moon but okay because there is no motion in fact between the 2 shots well there is no structure there is no texture if you want to say so and this is this is not so good for the motion yeah okay okay but for instance of course between the horse and and the c the c yeah the cows yeah maybe we could have detected things the cow yeah but it is not even sure because the background is quite similar and it is it is it is not that sure yeah maybe to explain this method was using a simple distance between consecutive histograms okay and we did not use motion features at all for that that is why i we so it is yeah the histogram so we have experience with it yeah yeah yeah okay so it is it is scrambled so you can scramble the image and you get the same histogram okay yeah so there is no structure indeed so of course when you look the horse and then you can see as a cow the cows okay of course you have a black in the top and you have also maybe 80% of like green which is even not green there but grass you have stones and so there of course are differences because on the one hand you have horse but it is black so you have more sky which is black on the right so you do not care about this okay so it is a glo it is global it is a global histogram so yeah kay but it is when for this i would for this application i could imagine that it would were quite high enough and it is a threshold but still it is adaptive right if i remember well yeah yeah yeah with a sliding window yeah okay so because of course if you just compute the yeah i can show you if you have the report because if you compute the distance between the 2 histograms i think this was bhattacharya yeah right so now we know okay and so if you take these 2 with the with the bhattacharya then of course you should just do a threshold when there is motion you will see a lot of things changing so by using an l r t t threshold okay if you see that there is a continuous change of the d distance you do not do a threshold it is only if you have an identified peak which is m 50% or maybe 2 times higher than the the next 2nd value in the window okay then you say it is it is a shot yeah right i do not know i do not know if we c we want to make use the whiteboard or here it is it was to dis it is infra only the this part about shot boundary detection is in french unfortunately yeah yeah but the this image shows the results using motion when you s use the motion features and here on the right is when using the histogram distance yeah and the the motion features can better show what is going on when there is such a difficult transition while with the histogram okay yeah it just shows that there is a shot change at the end but even for dissolves i do not have examples here but there is not a strict transition it is continuous for dissolves it is continuous for dissolve yeah okay yeah okay but an anyway it is difficult i mean in th in in in general dissolves is yeah yeah i understand okay because sometimes you have some dissolve you could imagine they are part of of of a scene and so yeah but of course when you have cuts you can see they are easy to detect right i mean like something yeah yeah okay yeah so yeah so with the motion basically the motion tried to estimate well the motion between 2 frames okay right if my image is there but after it is there and it looks at how many points c are well matched okay okay so you can see that like somebody speaking and so and so before the sh before the shot you can see that usually there are like 90% of the points at least right who have some motion so but then after suddenly if you go from one frame and you try to match all the points here with like a translation plus the zoom plus maybe some rotation you c you can find anything well right so basically you would see that the number of points maybe only 10% of the points you can match well so it is easy to detect okay and after you can see that indeed because it is a long shot and it is almost like a flat plane you can do a very good registration through the number of points yeah okay is very high i mean the number of points that are matching we will see okay and here you basically here with a histogram you can see it very flat but of course you should go from this histogram to this which is essentially green you have this big measure which is here the chi 2 i do not know whether this is what you implement is used in the no it is see the cut no no now it is well for the video you saw it wa it is bhattacharya it is bhattacharya okay okay yeah so yeah and you have maybe a one image with a adaptive threshold i think you had something like this right yeah just to explain how okay set the beginning yeah yeah you see like here yeah so there is the idea is having a sliding window we have already all the data that is on the graph okay and then to detect the the the the changes we we do a calculation with points under this sliding window within this sliding window and we calculate so what do we here in fa we want to detect that this points in the middle is higher than alpha times the maximum of the other ones th okay exactly yeah of the other ones alpha alpha times the maximum of the other ones okay so the of course if it is you are not a maximum you are not going i inside the window you are not the max anyway you are not going to be to be above alpha times the max of the others right because alpha is low lower than one the c okay but if you are in the maximum already and at this point we check simply if this value is alpha times the the max of the other points like for instance yeah let us say these points here like for instance here i i see 6 but i do not know whether this was for bhattacharya or for chi s chi 2 okay okay i maybe for chi it is it 6 but yeah but for bhattacharya it is for the tests i did it 24 yeah yeah yeah yeah 24 yeah so it is a bit less because the amplitude is much smaller yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so you can it was not so just i mean because the motion i mean it was in the shot we have seen no f because f especially with chi 2 square it r the amplitude it is much bigger than with bhattacharya right yeah okay you can see that it could go to 700 and when it is there is nothing it is can be 0 with bhattacharya it is between 0 and one so you have not so much amplitude okay but still in some of the v these videos for instance even if we gon go now if we want to but now for the kayak case i do not know at some point targeting 2 kayaks and it is moving quite fast towards to other people i do not know what happened there if it was detected as a shot transition or i in the the 1st shot yeah yeah yeah i saw that it was detected as a shot yeah it was it as a shot okay i was wondering yeah yeah maybe you want to see now okay but he did not okay but here for instance you understand so we can show this tomorrow to to the people at the ci cinetis meeting i mean to yeah okay okay i will look to have a connection right yeah okay yeah we need a connection that is true okay yeah and we need a laptop or you have yours yeah that is true yeah i can bring my laptop if necessary yeah yeah okay i will i will bring it okay so it is it is done okay it is okay this is idiap laptop so you can u okay yeah so here in fact after 12 i do not know if it is i think it is 12 frames well yeah but normally there is a a burning if you c maybe you can play the shot or okay yeah it is strange i mean maybe you play yeah if you play the the video well insi at the beginning i do not know what is happening 0 yeah maybe you are burning but 0 there is no ha ha i did not ha i did not have time to the the real media ah you did not generate the okay the real media okay but yeah it is complicated well no i mean here i can see that it was it was detected as a single shot yeah here we can see that yeah okay i was because here you can see that the motion here is you know he is doing a zoom on the 2 kayaks here at 24 yeah and then there is translation on the right yeah yeah and then he is doing quite a fast transition from these to another one kay and i was wondering whether so if you well though of course it is true that it is mainly water so maybe the color is indeed quite but you know as a kayak is entering quite fast i mean you can have quite maybe good distance i can see there is another program that can see but i see that it seems to be how many shots do you have indeed de de detected the n it is i think it is f there there are 5 normally 6 yeah the one is maybe so you did it with with what by the way if we put expand all okay it is with the images i gave you or okay yeah the other one i had problems converting the video into d v x yeah and then so i used the program from software from sebastien p p a p m to a v i ah to regenerate an a v i file okay yeah yeah because yeah one thing maybe we will talk about that is the library it is it does not compile anymore on debian machines and yeah some maybe some work has to be done on this okay i do not know why this image does not appear this is the the frame that is extracted to be the shot key frame here this one is this one the middle one so i do not know what why it does not appear but it just a simple problem in the get frame okay yeah yeah but what i can show you now is a little program if we want to be very precise about so it is ma get frames okay c g i here and we were interested in around what di do you want around 67 seconds yeah i mean initially i do not know why there is a a shot detected okay if we do next 0 yeah there is something wrong yeah yeah 0 yeah so it detects ah okay so the okay so the here is an image number there was some burning yeah in fact yeah that is why i said it is it is a frame number in your program ah okay okay yeah w i do not know why yeah yeah yeah it is a frame number okay okay so then this this is a frame number this is in 2nd but i i kept the frame number so but it is in seconds or it is it is 12 frames 0 seconds okay okay yeah okay okay seconds plus number okay and the next is 11 seconds and 12 frames yeah okay so basically what has been yeah extracted is yeah this point rather than okay so this is normal okay yeah yeah so if we do every 2nd i d the middle frame is this 1000 okay do you thi it is another kind of browsing page but to be more precise about to to check maybe the this yeah exactly yeah yeah okay okay okay like transition something that is okay anyway you go back to one frame around f 160 for instance i do not know and and there is yeah that is it you know okay ah okay understand prev okay you see that there is okay it is not a shot change it is a motion actually here yeah it is motion yeah it is not a cut yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but i was thinking that maybe it could have been yeah i s yeah but it is true that it is mainly water when we see things so it is yeah it is not such a big but yeah sometimes i mean you can have various things hap i mean just think about more action movie and thing like this kay well sometimes it is very difficult so focus usually there is no problem people say this is a cut this is not a cut but like for dissolve even sometimes you know people may it is people may have some trouble i mean this is a dissolve this is not this should this should be labeled as a transition or not yeah some people will say yeah but it is part of the thing or for instance in like in also in come on advertising usually yeah because the shots are very short in advertising usually it is very fast and so sometimes okay yeah yeah when you have an incrustation like last time what what should you say it is it is yeah it is a change of when you have yeah the the goal results then yeah in fact it is not a shot change but yeah yeah i mean it is a so sometimes very difficult yeah yeah a at least what i can see that currently like for cinetis for instance if it is to do color correction or for instance if it is too black too a bit whiter i think this type of things should be fine because basically it is even if they are not real shots they are not so interested if it is not real shot yeah maybe after they have this and they may say okay just by looking at least the summary so maybe for the summary we could do better key frame extraction for instance but by just looking at the key frames and so on they may say okay from this shot to this shot we apply like specific color enhancement algorithm or restoration algorithm or to improve the brightness and something like this right yeah and so i think for them this is fine after i yeah so this would ma be made manually actually when you say from this shot to this shot is using a graphical user interface someone who would do manually for each video well maybe after i mean they would sh okay they would go directly and say select the shots from here to here and they would say you apply this algorithm yeah method yeah so of course we could try to make scene clustering and so on but i am not even sure that this is necessary for them at this point because if they have a 6 minute movie if they have 30 shots yeah for them it might be easier to look at from here to here i apply this and they can do it quite quickly yeah and they have to do it an to do it anyway because what is going to take time might be to select the type of restoration algorithm or the type of things ah okay so this might take more time than having to click 2 times on 2 shots rather tha tha than having directly a scene right yeah yeah yeah okay so so i think for them this type of things is going to be useful at least for this task okay if they want to do stabilization it may not be sure of that this is the right segmentation for some of these but so but this is another point which for motion stabilization as i said several time we are not we did not commit to provide anything but of course if we can provide things we will do it but yeah so do you have more question or do you have a no i have look at the demo film and it is about 40 minutes and about 173 different shots so it is yeah this is the one in the d v d maybe okay we can see a little bit if you want to play the yes and i do not know if this is a real sample d v d because this will make about 5 seconds for each shot so i think it is very short well no it is okay well i just i i i it is i think this is no i if this is to r to to to make a change in the color light and they have a lot of shots yeah but after i mean it may be more like a guy i int i in an interface a guy interface i mean where i mean if 2nd select from shot one to 7 yeah okay ah okay yeah okay this is a same seg they may do the grouping by themselves quite by looking at this it may take w w less 11 minutes okay understand and i think it is anyway if it is too summarized after they may want to go inside to see whether there is not special things i mean so yeah because after it depends i mean if you give only one key frame per shot after i mean it is 170 images okay it is quite fast right and so i think and the hierarchical thing is good because still you can check if you have some ambiguities you are not sure you could okay in fact i did not understand that okay but now i understand better that cinetis wants this kind of method to help them to restore and to apply the algori some algorithms to to to make a better movie yeah yeah yeah yes yeah at least yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay yeah it is not for the client for the user who will maybe okay well ultim ultimately i think this is the type of things but at this point we yeah 0 maybe they can okay also but okay i i hope that if it is a big success they will ask idiap to to provide something like this of course with some money or at least to pay a student or somebody for doing it okay but yeah of course this was ultimately i think one way of if you could provide like chapters or something like this indeed you could provide like the a v i to the clients and he may ask for special services or and even to just to watch the movie to have direct access to different parts and so on but it is i mean this labeling might be more easy to do for the client by the client yeah okay because he knows what they are i mean he we wants to have this and this and right so okay ah okay yeah yeah yeah because he did the movie so he wants t okay to archive he wants to okay yeah yeah he may want to organi yeah yeah otherwise i mean this but of but of course it might be easy to do a very simple software this is yeah another which would allow the user to select just the shots and give names and after it would generate automatically some index and as a i suppose the client might be interested in such a such a things if he could generate automatically on the d v d yeah yeah yeah okay but for and you could imagine that before sending in the d v d you could allow him to l to watch this type of interface and he would be able to do the selection say this is this this is this this is this this is this and when he would receive the d v d yeah yeah he would indeed get already the chapters that he decided to put there and this could be done by through internet yeah yeah yeah and i think this may it it is good that this is a demo like this because i am sure that they might be interested indeed because i imagine that some people yes from the client point of view and from the preparation of the movie d v d yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so i think this is this is a very good and a yeah but okay i will play yeah so this is a kind of service i do not know either they give it for free and but we had an arrow here or what it is sorry but you see that sometimes even here it is a bit like it is for instance if people would like to have like some motion compensation th you i it could be proposed yeah but for instance here it i wou it would be problematic to have motion so i here it is fine to do motion compensation but stabilization rather than yeah but for instance here it is it is it is it is yeah i think i think they made some special effect in this d v d effects okay there is 2 or 3 time you see you see the same same kind of scene just 2 or 3 seconds if i go to menu there is something ah okay so maybe like here for instance it is a just reproduced 2 times yeah do you know what this is no old menu there is no menu in the d v d no there is no menu okay okay there is just 11 chapter and no menu okay so this is the same video a the the a v i number one yeah yes yeah yes and on the on the d v d i saw that there are some other stuff i dunno this one i think in the video there is 2 there is 2 video one is a real video and the other is a just introduction when you have the menu the same okay oops so this is vi okay this video is about 4 minutes 5 minutes right no it is 13 minutes ah okay so this is not the one that has been no but yes this is the same but there was a problem when do the grab from the d v d to the files ah okay okay so this is why they have make 22 files there are 2 files okay i understand but now i have one file also in the so you can process again one time okay run the okay okay it is it is it is real time right i mean the processing yeah almost yeah i would maybe a less a little bit less than a bit more than real time maybe a bit more than real time well anyway yeah i will have to check but if it is 5 minutes videos it is like done in yeah quickly yeah yeah normally it could it could go faster but i probably it is probable that even for the project you would do some of the reprogramming yeah i mean to especially if we need to interface new yeah or for just reading yes okay components open c v i mean the the d v x and thing like this so it is so tomor anyway for this we do not know exactly yet yeah yeah yeah because it is not sure what they want to what the user is tools for reading d v d and so on so okay yeah yes and s because i do not think this is so difficult now you have already looked at the histograms and open c v computing distances and so on open c yeah so if we want to do a special thing that probably runs fast it may be easier to do it directly and yeah yeah but but yeah the interface is very so the interface uses the output of your program essentially okay yeah so that we will use the whiteboard okay so in fact yeah the interface is quite is quite simple to use for instance you see on the on the u r l i put okay i i disco there is m m m dot idiap dot c h slash v c g i bin slash video browser okay slash video browser 3 frames 3 frames dot h t m l and then this c g i program ask the parameter c video and m equals cinetis okay demo one in fact i just explain how to put the data on m m m but it is quite simple when you log into m m m as with a c c s s h for instance so you just put it is working like this m m m data video browser okay slash and then this is the name of the new directory you will create demo one and there stands there is couple of things well it is this name so i will say this is video name so video name dot a v i you just because we need the a v i so that we can you can do the get frame yeah we can do the the get frame but otherwise it is not necessary 0 yeah no no no otherwise it is not necessary ye okay 0 f and also for the 0 no no you need you need to generate these images right okay yeah and this is no no no this is done on the fly with get frame okay okay yeah so you need that you need the x m l v so it is video name okay and i could data dot x m l but in fact it is just a simple convention i w could have put nothing but i just put data the it is a convention okay data and then video name okay it is r m 9 dot r m for other stuff okay but in fact yeah when i think now we could have okay yeah only with extension you can you can see yeah yeah okay but the the name of the video file is video name is it is the same as a directory the name is no of in fact yeah is is yeah as a directory yeah yeah yeah is the same as the directory it could have been video naming also but it is the same as a directory okay okay yeah and that is it actually when you you u you do that i did the same for kayak you say kayak in fact now it is kayak and then you can see yeah yeah okay yeah and this output yeah as your this output this file is an output from the the software the shot boundary detection software x m l yeah on the shot okay okay and it is a simple format i suppose like like you have scenes and shots and key s some time stamps it is a very simple format yeah yeah actually we yeah okay okay yeah i do not yeah we cannot see yeah okay yes okay so but you are yeah it is yeah it is tha video scene shot yeah i mean it it might be good to yeah okay it is hierarchical in x m l and key frame time stamp and the and from the time stamp and the video location he knows how to get the frame yeah okay each of these frames okay and if we do in fact i do not know yeah it is mozilla firefox view page source okay view frame source okay okay so every every frame on the f page is online and every frame is stored into a b a backup in fact every frame it is m m m who manage this automatically is is a okay so that when you ask for this frame in fact we can okay i just view frame source when i view image when i say view image when i say view image on this frame yeah yes up we go there and this is in fact it is a perl program that outputs in fa instead of outputting h t m l or text it outputs j peg okay okay okay okay understand from the video with a time stamp it outputs a j peg yes okay okay but on the on the on the server the original is a f video film this is quite nice and yeah okay and this image is i this image is output outputted to the client so for example you can change you can change a number to take which one okay yeah exactly yeah yeah that is what i did okay understand here in the other yeah yeah in the other application yeah okay perfect yeah i dunno and who has a right to put who has a right to put data on the m m m yeah here in this one okay i f there are yeah the m m m developers so i am part of that but we could we could yeah it is not a problem okay yeah i think it is not well done yeah okay yeah yeah i wanted to saw to see to do s say something else 0 yeah and the images are sent to your browser the client to this browser okay but yeah but also kept in a directory in on m m m okay okay there is li local cache exactly a cache okay okay i say backup but it is a cache okay okay that is that is how it works okay so if we for example now we have the c the the case that this video is not correct because i have make event grabbing so we need to remove the cache for this video or this is automatic no no no it is okay for the cache we have plenty of space on m m m so the this is not a problem ah yeah for a new window yeah yeah but what i mean is i i i i i if i if i put the same video with the same name instead of this one yeah exactly yeah and it detects okay they should different yeah so you go inside the get frame function you see where it i it saves it ah okay we need to remove them and then there is a special naming convention and you can remove the but i it is c yeah it is true yeah okay okay understand okay yeah it is not a real usi usage no okay because there it is in cache so that if i put another video with the same name they th they will happen again okay yes yes understand okay ah okay yeah yeah they will appear this frames will appear yes bec because this one i was yeah if yo if you have the same decomposition right th this one was yeah yeah ex if you have the same decomposition but yeah yeah but it may happen that for 90 fra 90% of the frame it is different yeah so you see it fine but suddenly you have one other frame they do not know what it is and where it comes from right okay okay but it is okay but yeah on m m m f now we do not have such many videos so it is okay okay yeah yeah yeah yeah but if you put yeah in another directory then it would work or or a new naming convention with special yeah code yeah yeah 0 you mean bac because it is it is it is the m m m cache yeah m m m cache okay so this means that when it is done if i go on my computer and i do the same it is not going to enter in my cache but it is going to be already there in m m m okay yeah on the m m m yeah but it it can go in the browser cache also so it is th it is so it is not done on it is so it is not done online the 1st time is done online the 1st time yeah but after it is it take okay yeah you can see here yeah okay okay the 1st time is done 0 i thought it was everything was generated on the fly th so you know you see that well here it is it was cache because i already pressed preview but now it is on the fly yeah yeah okay okay so it is quite quick 0 it is greek but okay this okay so i if you come back now you and then if you come yeah yeah yeah because the images are already generated okay but now you have s you have both cache yeah okay and maybe they are on the cache of this browser this computer yes computer too yes to but okay so okay but it is fast that is why it is yeah it was used with yeah sebastien did the c function and yeah okay and the the is calling this c executable and it was used with m m m server with pierre a and the beginning when yeah yeah understand okay yeah okay okay so okay i ju just a question on the the organization of the m m m yeah yeah so you do not have a part for specific project every for example if we make a lot of film for cinetis all are on the top yeah i mean all the film are y you you do not have a separation for the film for cinetis or for the project and s 0 the movies or yeah yeah yeah in fact we we we could you know okay you know all these graphical user interface that you see okay well you say video name equal all are on the same level so could you say video name cinetis slash something in fact okay yes or not yes we could do that okay okay we could put cinetis slash here and then a cinetis slash is the sa yeah it works okay you th okay you think it would work okay okay but the th the point is this interface is i think 6 or 7 files only yeah okay x m l well it is per c g i that output x m l and x s l so it is it is not a big deal to to to make a new like a cinetis browser or you know video browser ah okay to make okay if we need to make some special thing on the browser it is t yeah we w we copy all the files and there is just 11 parameter one string okay that we need to know where this data is and we could pr create a m m m data video browser cinetis or something else yeah okay it is okay y it is ex extensible and is okay great even if you would r change a c g i for instance let us assume that we say we do not do any scene thing then we could remove like for instance the scenes right yeah okay yeah exactly yeah yeah okay i was thinking that here it says that you have online video structure correction which means that yeah but i it is not it was you know thi this is working the expand all but this is okay yeah work in progress this is wish wishable functions yeah to do list or something okay to do this on a video annotation on a video structure co correction but i it is not easy on the web with h h t m l pages to to do such corrections like video structure corrections for instance okay yeah input okay no for that you need it is possible maybe on interfaces like flash or java but still i i i there is it takes bas more work and but i yeah yeah i mean it is good good point yeah okay yeah mainly the t webpage or for output okay no i was thinking no because i was thinking if it is there i mean we could use it we could you see but yeah yeah okay and all these file are only internal this mean if i go t on c cintetis cinetis no no fro from outside we can view them from outside of idiap we can access this yeah from home i was able to access them with a password or no well you we can make for for instance for t s r t s r videos alessandro asked me to do the same thing and we i put we had like a password convention yeah yeah okay yes okay okay so this is possible to make for these videos okay nobody actually it has been downloaded several times and people there are some lawyers that are putting no so it is not yeah well if yeah it is there is no possible productions for these videos but yeah maybe what i say i am very tired y yeah okay but if po yeah it is demo and one can say you have to guess the name to but yeah yeah okay yeah yes yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah no no yeah okay no but yeah it is good to bu y yeah a good point about password protection issues or the privacy issues yeah okay yeah if we i yeah it might be good indeed if we start d building some experiments like this still to have a password okay right yeah yeah ha yeah all the framework is ready with a t r s t s r videos so yeah yeah yeah yeah i understand yeah yeah okay usually what we do sometimes okay just to say something about password protections sometimes instead of having a purely secure directory we p we we put a co code number like so that it is quite impossible to guess instead of video m name equals kayak then we would have 0675 or yeah yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah you know 2 and then this directory from outside we have to take care that okay not only the video name this u r l is not accessible but also we should take care that in fact m m m it is in m m m data video browser and this is accessible from outside we should take care that this directory or in fact this directory is not listable you know you cannot list from outside with f t p or h t t p right okay yeah yeah what is yeah yeah yeah okay yeah simple things with privacy issues but i there are some methods and everything is possible to make things private okay i yeah i do not know if you want to add anything but i would say that for the c code yeah i i i just want would like to stress something is that yeah if you want want to use the new versions etcetera i think we need to go a little bit through the code and i would be happy to to to help to to for instance the classes about video structure yeah yes etcetera to put them yeah okay yeah and yeah it was done indeed f to be more general than just to do the shot detection so that is why the code is a bit more complex i think currently yes yeah okay but and the code is based on open c v yeah in fact it is not there is no tosh i it was called vision lib to read to to extract one frame each frame of a video yeah you know 0 okay so it wa from sebastien it was in the tosh library but it is nothing w to do with tosh and it is using the open c v and some classes from jean marc for yeah yeah okay just okay yeah yeah bhattacharya distance etcetera bhattacharya okay and so on okay ah okay yeah yeah okay image processing yeah it was the same the same ones as the one you saw in my code yeah okay okay image processing and stuff so we can forget tosh and use input se the input reader for the the m peg we can re lo use open c v yeah yeah we can forget tosh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely yeah okay okay yeah okay so it is 430 so we need one hour it is it is good just if you want yeah yeah i think it is it is good yeah it is good this is the parameters of the of the c program but usage yeah yeah video in okay yes the output file x m l output output file dist it is the distance between each histogram yeah so that if the x m l you feel there is not enough shots you can instead of reprocessing the video you you reprocess this file okay that is good yeah and also some other stuff s for instance alpha threshold we talked about is set to 24 and yeah okay okay okay yeah so the the the step we always use one and it should be one because otherwise it is stuck between consecutive frames yeah yeah okay ah okay okay we can skip some frames yeah okay yeah but it does not w yeah it it is better to to keep it one yeah okay yeah but why is after i mean if there is a shot you do not know between because you dropped one frame you do not know where is the sh the d the shot yeah yeah yeah yeah so detection latency is about the it is half of the windows tha yeah sliding window sliding window option for key frame extraction okay sub threshold yeah yeah right okay leave it to one yeah okay it is perfect yeah maybe i i will i will give you this file in as a rhy it is a kind of rhythmia yeah i just for preparing this nice discussion yes yeah m i am quite happy to to to do that i it is good when you do something that there is someone using it i do not know i am i am sure that they will be well i hope they will be a of something like this yeah yes but but yes yeah at least yeah with the interface it is quite funny to to see d that the q quickly you can do something in in yeah the output in 30 t if the video i 10 is 10 minutes in 30 minutes cause it is no not a lot of things to change yeah yeah the the browser or even it can do it it can we can do it quite automatically yes yes it can be done yeah so just last question maybe so this makes a x m l file yeah okay this is the the program to to generating the x m l file and the the shot this generates yeah yeah yeah and with the kayak you have one problems you do not have the real media so this is another thing 0 yeah it ho how do you generate the real media yeah so the real media is yeah a parallel thing that from the a v i you convert it into real media and it is done on windows okay okay okay okay so you have some special tools from from real media yeah okay there is a a the free one is okay you can use the free we have a license here at idiap but the if you want to pay you pay for options such as resize or cropping but in fact maybe we do not need that and it is called elix producer okay okay okay okay i heard it yeah i forgot yeah yeah elix producer and and that is it okay you can you can i it it i but anyway you need you need to have windows to make these yes so i will ask you or someone else okay yeah yeah okay okay understand and yeah with real media okay but this is this is made by a program done outside idiap okay well this is you can buy or you can order for free on internet this is yes right okay this not idiap program no no no no for the real media okay okay and you did not see but the re the real media is called via a real server so it is r t s p the connection and i it is streaming video streaming so it is not h t t p yeah yeah okay so that it can play smoothly and but we are still investigating for the video formats yeah because i it is not supported for instance in java in java applications etcetera 0000 yeah you mean the java framework what mike presented real media yeah we cannot play real media okay real media so there are many issues about that but yeah okay okay it is another problem formats formats yeah yeah okay so i think this was good to see the the tool and tomorrow we are going to re say most of the things okay thank you but shorter i f i believe right i mean it is bad to explain okay yes and i think maybe later w yeah we we can start doing simple i think for test i can take the real demo and make the the full processing yeah yeah yeah yeah the full yeah mi this might be interesting to see tomorrow so i will of course maybe there was the ah 170 shots or it is a lot yeah but after i mean at this point we do we have nothing we can do unless they know what they want to do with it right yeah yeah okay yeah that was a single video structuring but it is other level it can it is quite it is researched yeah yeah yeah yeah but i think i think is it is too it is going very be very to be very good for them to visualize how you can organize things and maybe what they can do yeah how they and so this is important yeah last thing this is a kind of x m l that is outputted so so it is the structure is such as vi video segmentation with videos in begin and then for each shot you have an i d well this is the terms from m peg 7 convention okay okay i have some informations but anyway shot begin and end a sh the shot key frame that is the middle here okay sub shot and in this in this the begin and end the number is the for example the end is 0 dot 1212 is this frame too yeah yeah you are right 12 frames okay and in fact that is what i output in on the yeah i think y on the interface okay okay yeah okay and there is only one sub shot because w yeah okay yeah initially yeah there was there was problems with detecting the sub shots etcetera what what well we did not because you tried to do something but yeah well yeah i tr well not with this one but yeah i tried to code some stuff it but i am not so confident in the way it is coded okay yeah like for instance if we need to find sub shots usually it it for instance is better to have the whole shot to decide on how to build the sub shots yeah but it is true that maybe i if you store all the distance at that the distances we could do some basic stuff yeah but we yeah even we should for instance for the videos for the spectral clustering for the clustering okay here i store the consecutive the distance between consecutive histograms but we could store the matrix that is yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that is the thing yeah and then yeah okay and i think i there are many possible things with spectral clustering just what what but but the with there is one parameter that is very c wha i can not remember what is the parameter ah th the gap you mean or no yeah 0 no you mean in the bhattacharya distance no no no no the in the the gap to find the the good number of clusters is so sensitive yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah anyway it is it is a bit later in the in the report okay so anytimes yeah i would be happy to to to help you with that yeah okay okay so it is okay it is okay yeah yeah you can we can go" ]

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was my project during my internship at ediap under the supervision of your mark and as you saw in the email i sent okay i did not send this video is the new one i just processed from your images okay yeah it is okay but let us start by the video from friday cynitis demo one by the way i was going to ask i had seen the video you did a downsampling of the video right i mean for browsing i mean yeah okay yeah so this was okay so this is a yeah ki called normally so you have scenes and shots yeah here on the left you have different scenes but because for instance we could probably group or the initial ones into one scene and maybe after when there is some things inside it should be another scene so this detector detected 30 shots and if you click on a plus button you can expand it and see the keyframes that are in fact 5 extracted frames from the shot which are extracted i think but i think as it is it is extracted without using sub shots it is simply 5 down some yeah not something so i we can see the video actually the entire video and open with real player i hope it will work i do not have the sound and it will not be grabbed the video will not i do not know if okay it is not good quality yeah the quality is that is why i was asking that 0 yeah yeah it is not this that you process no no no no no okay so it is in real media so it is very compressed so here we see that we have the shop at 18th and after 22 then after again and if we go down i mean maybe i mean maybe in terms of shot here we can see that right i mean this is shot 7 i suppose yeah okay i shot 9 currently 10 probably 11 or 12 no 11 10 and then there is yeah this one it is 11 12 for 14 seconds it is ah we have missed this is this one and this one it is a dissolve so it does not detect is it really a when i saw the m player it is a dissolve okay but it is not standard man made movies because i would say most of the time people did not do any this yeah i could see here and that it was like here of course it was only one single one i do not know if this one if we see was currently you see yeah yeah this is the one i had seen here but as i said i mean even the motion detector when it is black there is not no structure but there is a moon yeah but you do not really estimate motion okay because there is no motion in fact between the 2 shots there is no structure there is no texture yeah okay okay this is not so good for the motion but for instance of course between the horse and the yeah the yeah i dare the q more the co the coes yeah maybe we could have detected things but it is not even sure because you see the background is quite similar and it is not that sure maybe to explain this method was using a simple distance between consecutive histograms and we did not use motion features at all for that that is why you so it is yeah and the histograms so you had experience with it so it scrambles so you can scramble the image and you get the same instagram so there is no structure in the greek so of course when you look the horse and then you can see the cows of course you have black in the top and you have also maybe 80% of like green which is even not green there but grass you have stones and so there are of course some differences because on one hand you have horse but it is black so you have more sky which is black on the right so you do not care about this so it is a global it is a global instagram so yeah okay but it is when for this i would for this application i could imagine that it would be not quite fine and it is a threshold but still it is adaptive yeah yeah yeah with a sliding window yeah because of course if you just compute the i can not show you yeah if you have the report because if you compute the distance between the 2 histograms i think this was batacharya yeah right and so if you take these 2 with the batasharia then of course if you just do a threshold when there is motion you will see a lot of things changing so by using an adaptive threshold if you see that there is a continuous change of the distance you do not do a threshold it is only if you have an identified peak which is 50% or maybe 2 times higher than the next 2nd value in the window then you see it is a shot yeah i do not know if you want to use the whiteboard or here it was to do it to this part about shot boundary detection is in french unfortunately but the the this image shows the results using motion when you use the motion features and here on the right is when using the histogram distance and the the motion features can better show what is going on when there is such difficult transition while with the histogram it just shows that there is a shot change at the end but even for dissolves i do not have examples here but there is not a strict transition it is continuous for dissolve but these are anyway it is difficult i mean in general because sometimes there are some you could imagine they are part of a scene and so but of course when you have cuts you can see they are easy to detect right i mean like so yeah so with the motion basically the motion tried to estimate what the motion between 2 frames right if my image is there but after it is there and it looks at how many points are well matched so you can see that like somebody is speaking and so on so before the before the shot you can see that usually there are like 90% of the points at least right there are some motion so but then after suddenly if you go from one frame and you try to match all the points here with like a translation plus a zoom plus maybe some rotation you can not find anything well right so basically if you see that the number of points maybe there are only 10% of the points you can match well so it is easy to detect and after you can see that indeed because it is a long shot long shot and it is almost like a flat plane you can do a very good registration so the number of points is very high i mean the number of points that are matching and here you basically here with histogram you can see it is very flat but of course you should go from this histogram to this which is essentially green you have this big measure which is here the kite 2 i do not know whether this is what you is implement is used no now it is well for the video you saw it was it was it is batasharhyan okay okay so yeah and you have maybe one image with an adaptive threshold i think you had something like this right just to explain okay it is at the beginning yeah yeah it is like here so there is the idea is having a sliding window we have already all the data that is on the graph and then to detect the changes we do a calculation with points under this sliding window within this sliding window and we calculate so what do we do here in fact we want to detect that this this point in the middle is higher than alpha times the maximum of the other ones exactly alpha times the maximum of the other ones so the of course if you are not a maximum you are not going inside the window you are not the max anyway you are not going to be to be above alpha times the max of the others right because alpha is lower than one but if you are in the maximum already at this point we check simply if this value is alpha times the max of the other points let us say this point here like for instance here i see 6 but i do not know whether this was for batasharia or for k maybe for kai it is 6 but yeah but for batasharia it is for the test i did it is 244 yeah so it is a bit less because the amplitude is much smaller yeah so you can it was not so obvious i mean because the motion i mean it was in the shot we have seen because especially with kai 2 square it is the amplitude is much bigger than with batasharia right you can see that it could go to 700 and when it is there is nothing it can be 0 but batash area is between 0 and one so you have not so much amplitude but still in some of these videos for instance even if we are going to go now if we want to go now for the kayak case i do not know at some point he is the targeting 2 kayaks and is moving quite fast towards 2 other people i do not know what happened there if it was detected as a in the 1st shot yeah yeah i saw that it was detected as a shot as a shot okay i was wondering you want to see now yeah maybe but he did not okay but here for instance you understand so we can show this tomorrow to the people at the cinetist meeting i mean so okay we look to have a connection yeah okay yeah we need a connection that is true and i need a laptop or you have you yeah i can bring my laptop if necessary okay i will bring it okay okay okay this is ediap laptop so you could okay okay so here in fact after 12 i do not know if it is i think it is 12 frames 0 yeah but normally there is a burning maybe you can play the shot or it is strange 0 yeah maybe a burning but maybe you play yeah if you play the video well at the beginning i do not know what is happening 0 there is no i did not i do not have tried to the real media but yeah it is complicated well no i mean here i can see that it was detected as a single shot yeah here we can see that okay i was because here you can see that the motion here is there you know he is doing a zoom on the 2 yeah and then there is translation yeah and then he is doing quite a fast transition from this to another one and i was wondering whether so if you well vote of course it is true that it is mainly water so maybe the color is indeed quite but you know as kayak is entering quite fast i mean you can have quite i can see there is another program that can see it seems to be how many shots do you have indeed the end it is i think it is there are 5 normally yeah the one is if we put it so you did it with what by the way it is with the images i gave you yeah okay the other one had problems converting the video into divix and then so i used the program from a software from sebastian ppm to avi ah an avi file okay yeah yeah because yeah one thing maybe we will talk about that is the library it is it does not compile anymore and dbn machine and dbn machines maybe some work has to be done on this i do not know why this image does not appear this is the frame that is extracted to be the shot keyframe here this one is this one the middle one so i do not know why it does not appear but it is just a simple problem in the gate frame but what i can show you now is a little program if we want to be a little program very precise about so it is gate frames okay fijiyae and we were interested in around what do you want around 6 7 seconds yeah i mean initially i do not know why there is a shot detected okay if we do right next 0 here there is something wrong so the 000 here is an image number yeah in fact yeah that is what i said it is a frame number i do not know why yeah yeah it is a firm number this is the frame number this is in 2nd but i kept the frame number so but 002 it is in seconds or it is 12 frames 0 seconds okay yeah okay okay seconds plus the next is 11 seconds okay so basically what has been yeah extracted is this pointer other then okay so this is normal yeah so if we do every 2nd the middle frame is this 1000 okay just it is another kind of browsing page but to be more precise about to check maybe the this okay like transitions yeah exactly yeah then you go back to one frame around 160 for instance you do not know and there is okay yeah that is it prev okay that there is a okay it is not a shot change it is a motion actually here yeah it is motion yeah it is not a cut yeah but i was thinking that maybe it could have been yeah but it is true that it is many water when we are doing so it is yeah such a big but yeah sometimes i mean you can have very things i mean just think about more action movie and things like this sometimes very difficult so for cuts usually there is no problem people say this is a cut this is not a cut but like for dissolve even sometimes you know people may have some trouble i mean saying this is a default this is not we should this should be labeled as a transition or not some people who say yeah but it is part of the thing or for instance in like in also in come advertising because the shots are very short yeah i think usually it is very fast so sometimes yeah when you have an incrustation like last time when you what should you say it is a change of when you have the goal results then yeah in fact it is not a short change yeah i mean so sometimes very difficult at least what i can see that currently like for sinaitis for instance if it is to do color correction or for instance if it is too black to have it whiter i think this type of thing should be fine because basically even if they are not real shots they are not so interested if it is not real shots maybe after they have this and they may say okay just by looking at least the summary so maybe for the summary we could do better keyframe extraction for instance but by just looking at the keyframes and so on they may say okay from this shot to this shot we apply like specific color enhancement algorithm or restoration algorithm or to improve the brightness and something like this right and so i think for them this is fine so this would be made manually actually when you say from this shot to this shot is using a graphical user interface someone would do manually for each video well maybe after i mean they would go directly and select the shots from here to here and they would say you apply this algorithm yeah so of course we could try to make scene clustering and so on but i am not even sure that this is necessary for them at this point because if they have a 6 minute movie if they have 30 shots for them it might be easier to look at from here to here and they apply this and they can do it quite quickly and they have to do it anyway because what is going to take time might be to select the type of restoration algorithm or the type of thing so this might take more time than having to click 2 times on 2 shots rather than having directly a scene right so i think for them this type of things is going to be useful at least for this task if they want to do stabilization it might not be sure that this is the right segmentation for some of these but this is another point which for motion stabilization as i said several times we did not commit to provide anything provide anything of course if we can provide things we do it so do you have more questions or do you have a i have looked at the demorphine and it is about 40 minutes and about 173 different shots this is the one in the dvd yeah maybe okay we can see a little bit if you want to play yes and i do not know if this is a real sample dvd because this will make about 5 seconds for each shot so i think it is very short well no it is okay well i just i think this is if this is to make a change in the color like color light and they have a lot of shots yeah but after i mean it might be more like a guy an interface a guy interface where i mean if they can select from shot one to 7 this is the same thing they may do the grouping by themselves but by looking at this it may take less 11 minute and i think it is anyway if it is too summarized after they may want to go inside to see whether there has no special things i mean so because after it depends i mean if you give only one keyframe per shot after i mean it is 170 images it is quite fast right so i think anzeriarchical thing is good because still you can check if you have some ambiguities you are not sure okay in fact i did not understand that but now i understand better that cinnitus wants this kind of method to help them to rest and to apply some algorithms to make a better movie it is not for the client for the user who will well ultimately i think this is a type of thing but at this point i hope that if it is a big success they will ask you to provide something like this of course some money at least to be a student or somebody for doing it but yeah of course this was ultimately i think one way of if you could provide like chapters or something like this indeed you could provide like the avi to the clients and he may ask for special services or and even to just to watch the movie to have direct access to different parts and so on but i mean this labeling might be more easy to do for the client by the client because he knows what they are okay he wants to have this and this 0 okay yeah yeah so because he did the movie so he wants to okay yeah to archive yeah yeah otherwise i mean this but this is yeah but of course it might be easy to do a very simple software which would allow the user to select just the shots and give names and after it would generate automatically some index yeah and i suppose the client might be interested in such a thing so he could generate automatically on the dvd but for and you could imagine that before sending him the dvd you could allow him to watch this type of interface and he would be able to do the selection say this is this this is this is it and when he will receive the dvd he would indeed get already the chapters that he decided to put there and this could be done by through internet yeah yeah yeah and i think this may it is good that this is a demo like this because i am sure that they might be interested in it because i imagine that from the client point of view and from the preparation of the movie and dvd yeah so i think this is a very good but okay i will play in so this is a kind of service i do not know if they give it for free and you had a narrow here but sorry but you see that sometimes even here it is a bit like for instance if people would like to have like some motion compensation it could be proposed but for instance here it would be problematic to have motion so here it is fine to the motion compensation but stabilization rather than yeah but for instance here it is here it is you returge you 2 or 3 times no no that is more it is really how it is i think they made some special effects there is 2 or 3 times if i go to menu do something you see the same kind of scene just 2 or 3 seconds okay so maybe like here for instance it is just yeah we will reproduce 2 times do you know what this is no what is this no what menu there is no menu in the dvd no there is no menu okay okay so it is just one chapter no menu okay so this is the same video the avi novi no one yes yes and on the dvd i saw that there are some other stuff i do not know this one i think in the video there is 2 there is 2 videos one is the real video and the other is just an introduction when you have the menu okay oops so this is okay this video is about 4 minutes 5 minutes right no it is 13 minutes okay so this is not the one that has been no but yes this is the same but there was a problem when i have to do the grab from the dvd to the files ah okay so this is why they like to files okay i understand now i have one file also on the so you can process again okay and it is real time right the processing yeah i would maybe a bit less a bit less than real time a bit more than real time i will have to check but if it is 5 minutes videos it is like done quickly yeah normally it could go faster but it is probably that even for the project you would do some of the reprogramming yeah okay especially if we need to interface new components opencv yeah or for just reading the dvx and things like this so tomorrow anyway for this we do not know exactly yet because what they want to what they use as tools for reading dvds and so on and because i do not think this is so difficult now you have you also already looked at the instagrams and opencd computing distances and so on so if we want to do special things that probably run fast it may be easier to do it directly and yeah but yeah the interface is very so the interface uses the output of your program yeah so i will use the whiteboard so in fact yeah the interface is quite simple to use for instance you see on the url i put okay i just go there is dotidia c ch slash cgi bin slash video browser okay slash video browser 3 frames 3 frames dot html and then this cgai program has the parameter video name equals cinetis okay demo one in fact i just explain how to put the data on but it is quite simple when you log into as with a css for instance so you just put it is working like this working like this data video browser and then this is the name of the new directory you will create demo one and there stands there is a couple of things well it is this name so i would say this is video name so video name avi you just because we need the avi so that we can we can do the get frame yeah we can do the get frame but otherwise it is not necessary otherwise it is not necessary okay and also for the these images right okay yeah and this is no no no this is done on the fly with get frame okay yeah so you need that you need the xml so it is video name and i could it data xml but in fact it is just a simple convention i could have put nothing but i just put data it is a convention data and then video name okay it is rm 9 rm for the stuff but in fact yeah when i think now we could have only with the extension you can see the name of the video file is video name the name is no in fact it is the same as a directory yeah it is the same as a directory it could have been video naming shows also but it is the same as the directory and that is it actually when you do that i did the same for kayak you say kayak in fact now it is kayak and then you can see and this output yeah this file is an output from the software the shot boundary detection software and it is a simple format i suppose like it is a very simple format like you have seen shots yeah actually we some time stamps yeah i do not yeah we cannot it is yeah it is video scene shot it is hierarchical so in xml and keyframe timestamp and from the timestamp and the video location he knows how to get the frame each of these frames and if we do in fact i do not know it is modilla firefox vue page tools so every every frame on the face is online and every frame is stored into a backup in fact every frame it is who manage this automatically so that when you ask for this frame in fact we can okay i just viewframe for those when i view image when i say view image when i say view image on this frame up we go there and this is a in fact it is a pearl program that outputs instead of outputing html or text it outputs jpeg okay i understand from the video with a timestamp he outputs a jpeg this is quite nice on the server the original is a original is a video film yeah okay and this image is output i was put it to the client you can change a number yeah exactly yeah that is what i did okay i understand here in the other application yeah yeah okay perfect and who was the right to put data on who was the right to put data on there are yeah the developers so i am part of that i am part of that okay but we could we could yeah it is not a problem yeah it is not a problem i wanted to see to do something else yeah and the images are sent to your browser the client to this brother but also kept in a directory on okay there is a local cache exactly a cache i say backup but it is a cache that is how it works so if we for example now we have the case that this video is not correct because i have made a wrong grabbing so we need to remove the cache for this video or this is no no it is okay for the cache we have plenty of space on so this is not a problem what i mean is ah yeah for a new video if i put the same video with the same name instead of this one and it detects again the shoot are different so you go inside the get frame function you see where it saves it and then there is a special naming convention and you can remove the okay but it is true no it is not a real usage no okay because it is in cache so that if i put another video with the same name ah okay yeah they will happen again they will appear yeah because this one was if you have the same decomposition yeah if you have the same decomposition yeah but it may happen that for 90% of the frame it is different so you see it is fine but suddenly you have one of a frame they do not know what it is and the way it comes from but yeah on now we do not have such many videos but if you put in another directory then it would be or a new naming convention with a special code 0 you mean because it is an cache yeah cache so this means that one it is done if i go on my computer and i do the same it is not going to enter in my computer going to enter in my cache but it is going to be already there yeah in an okay but it can go in the browser cache or so it is not done online the 1st time is done online yeah but after it is yeah you can see here yeah the 1st time i thought it was everything was generated on the fly you know you see that well here it is it was cash because i already pressed few but now it is on the fly yeah okay so it is quite quick quick okay okay so if you come back now you and then if you come yeah because the images are already generated and maybe they are on the cache of this browser this computer so okay that is why it is it was used with sebastian did the c function and the bird is calling this c executable and it was used with the m m server with pierre at the beginning okay okay so just a question on the organization of the mnm so you do not have a part for a specific project every for example if we make a lot of film for synethys all are on the top i mean all the film are the film you do not have a separation for the film for synethys or for other project and in fact where you say video meme equal we could you know all are on the same level you know all these graphical user interface that you see so could you say video name equal cdeme slash something okay yes yes we could do that okay we could put cinity slash here and then cinity slash it works but the point is this interface is i think 6 or 7 files only xml well it is per cgi that output xml and xsl so it is not a big deal to make a new like cynetis browser or you know video browser if you need to make some special things on the browser we copy all the files and there is just one parameter one string that we need to know where this data is and we could create data video browser synethys or something else it is quite extensible even if you would change the cgi for instance let us assume that we say we do not do any scene thing okay yeah exactly yeah i was thinking that here i see that you have online video structure correction which means that yeah but it is not it was you know this is working expand all but this is a working progress this is wishable yeah to do list or something okay on a video annotation on a video structure correction but it is not easy on the web on the web with html pages to do such corrections like video structure corrections for instance for that you need it is possible maybe on interfaces like flash or java but still it takes place more work and but yeah yeah it is a good point no because i was thinking if it is there i would visit it and all these files are only internal this means if i got on the city no no from outside from outside of egypt we can access this yeah from home i was able to access them with a password or well we can make for instance for tsr videos alessandro asked me to do the same thing and we i put a we had a password convention okay okay so this is possible to make for these videos i am sure it has been downloaded that several times and there is some lawyers that are there is no password productions for these videos maybe what i say i am very tired but if yeah it is demo and one can say you have to guess the name the name yeah yeah yeah yeah okay okay no but yeah it is good to yeah a good point what password protection issues yeah privacy issues yeah it might be good indeed if we start building some experiments like this still to have a password okay yeah yeah yeah yeah all the framework is ready with trs videos yeah yeah okay usually what we do sometimes okay just to say something about password protections sometimes instead of having a purely secure directory we put a code number we put a code number like a so that it is quite impossible to guess instead of video name equals kayak then we would have 6 7 5 or 2 and then this directory from outside we have to take care that okay not only the video name this url is not accessible but also we should take care that in fact it is in data video browser browser and this is accessible from outside we should take care that this directory or in fact this directory is not listable you know you cannot list from outside with the ftp or http okay simple things about privacy issues but there are some methods and everything it is possible to make things private i do not know if you want to add anything but i would say that for the c code i just want to stress something is that yeah if we want to use the new versions etc i think we need to go a little bit through the code and i would be happy to help to for instance the classes about video structure etc to put them yeah yeah it was done indeed be more general than just to do the shot detection so that is why the code is a bit more complex i think currently the code is based on open cv and torch yeah in fact it is not there is no torch it was called vision lib to read to to extract one frame each frame of a video you know so it was from sebastian it was in the torch lavery but it is nothing to do with torch and he is using open cv and some classes from jean marc for batasharia distance etc okay yeah yeah image processing the same ones as the one you saw image processing so we can forget torch and use yeah yeah we can forget in torch for the impact we can use opencv yeah yeah yeah definitely okay it is the farrar of the vale that is no it is the garage of the batheer so it is 430 so we did one hour it is good just if you want yeah this is the parameters of the c program but usage video in okay the output file xml output file dist is the distance between each histogram so that if the xml you feel there is not enough shots you can instead of reprocessing the video you you reprocess this file okay that is good and also some other stuff for instance the alpha threshold we talked about is set to 24 and yeah so the sig 1st that is the step we always use one and it should be one because otherwise it is step between consecutive frames you can skip some frames yeah but it does not yeah it is better to keep it one otherwise after i mean if there is a shot you do not know between because you dropped one frame you do not know where the shot so detection latency is about the it is half of the window yeah sliding window option for keyframe accession again sub threshold yeah leave it to one yeah okay it is perfect yeah maybe i will give you this file in as a it is a kind of read me just for preparing this nice discussion to do that because it is good when you do something that there is someone using it yeah i am sure that they will be well i hope they will be at there with something at least here with the interface it is quite funny to see that quickly you can do something in if the video is 10 minutes in 30 minutes because it is not a lot of lot of things to change or even it can do it it can we can do it quite automatically it can can be done so just last question yeah so this makes the xml file okay this is the program to generating the xml file as the shoot yeah and with the kayak you have one problems you do not have the real media so this is another thing 0 yeah how do you generate the real media yeah so the real media so the real media media is a parallel thing that from the avi you convert it into real media and it is done on windows okay so you have some special tools from real media yeah there is a the free one is okay you can use the free we have a license here at idap but the the if you want to pay if you want to pay you pay for options such as resize or cropping but in fact maybe we do not need that and it is called elix producer okay the elix yeah i forgot elix producer and that is it you can but anyway you need to have windows to make this yes so i will ask you yeah okay i understand and yeah with real media this is made by a program done outside ejap well this is you can buy or you can all for free on internet it is not a ejap program no no no no no for the real media and you did not see but the real media the real media is called via a real server so it is rtsp the connection and it is streaming video streaming so it is not http so that it can play smoothly but we are still investigating for other video formats because it is not supported for instance in java in java applications etc 0 yeah you mean the java framework what might presented you cannot play real media so there are many issues about that but yeah it is another problem formats formats okay so i think this was good to see the tool thank you tomorrow we are going to receive most of the things but shorter i believe right i mean that to explain and i think maybe later we can start doing this i think for tests i can take the real demo and make the full processing yeah it is interesting to see tomorrow of course maybe they would say ah 170 t shirts it is a lot but after i mean at this point we do not we have nothing we can do unless they know what they want to do with it with it right yeah there are other things such as video structuring but it is other level yeah it is quite research i think is it is going very be very good for them to visualize how you can organize things and maybe what they can do how they and so this is important last thing this is the kind of xml that is outputed so so it is the structure is such as video segmentation with a video scene begin and then for each shot you have an id well this is the terms from mpec 7 convention but anyway shot begin and end the shot keyframe that is the middle here in this the begin and end the number is the for example the end is 0512 frames this frame 2 here and in fact that is what i output on the interface and there is only one sub shot because yeah there was problems with detecting the subshots etc but i because you tried to do it yeah i tried well not with this one but i tried to code some stuff but i am not so confident in the way it is okay good yeah like for instance if we need to find sub shots usually it for instance is better to have the whole shot to decide on how to build the sub shots but it is true that maybe if you store all the distances we could do some basic stuff but we yeah even we should for instance for the videos for the spectral clustering for the clustering here i store the consecutive distance between consecutive histograms but we could store the matrix yeah yeah yeah and then yeah and i think there are many possible things with spectral clustering just what there is one parameter that is very i can not remember what is the parameter the eigengap you mean no 0 no you mean in the battery distance no no no no the eigen gap to find the good number of clusters is so sensitive yeah anyway it is a bit later in the report so anytime i would be happy to help you with that okay it is okay it is okay so we can do it so we can do it yeah we can do it this is not your laughter this we need it in fact we do not name that okay everything is stored here i suppose i suppose" ]

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[ "okay so now last time can you push the button one time please so i am still the secretary now i ask you to presentate the prototype one of your you 2 i do not care 0 this you mean huh yes the prototype yes well this is it this is it well thank you now it is it is it is yellow and this is rubber and and and this too the the sides yes and the rest is hard plastic and we we had some we had a new idea that that this can can be turned inside and then it covers the these buttons okay until here or something yes and then you can still use the the power button and the mute and the the joystick so you can still operate all the things because you do not always use the menu and then it can break okay and the buttons well big big buttons and everything is blue except the power button and the mute of yeah and the mute and the the other button yeah channel higher channel button yeah and the joystick is for the volume and the channels yes yes yes that is very obvious up is channel up down is channel down to the right is volume up to the left is volume down yeah okay so if joystick and l c d what is the r r d the r r r r is the l the the the the company logo okay very good so we have that is on the rub rubber part yes yes that is about here so what they say on the side is put fashion there yes it is good 0 so that is it yeah that is prototype now the finance we do not know if it is th it if it is okay alright so i am going to look do we do we change the we have sorry do we change the the order or are we going to ev evaluate it 1st finance is yeah it is no 1st yes we have to evaluate the product yet okay sorry that is that can be none we going to do the evaluation now together but i have a introduction how it works so it will come up 0 okay yeah well we i have thinked a few evaluation criterias based on our marketing strategy on the latest trends on user preferences we have a 7 point scale from true as well to false 7 and on base of each c criteria we need to give a rating we can well it look like this but we going to do it here they said so you hope found out how to do it with a word document yeah okay yeah yeah well we have the word document criteria you so we open up that blank here think i can what this just an example so this not very important but if i can get a number in here no it is okay well we can not do that i will get it 0 it is okay so you have to think of it as the remote control is techno technologically innovative and then we have to agree on the rating together and in the end we will c count an average of all rating the 1st on each item what do you think yeah i think it is well technologically using it is not it does not contain many new features only the l c d so it i think i will give it a yeah yeah yeah a 4 i think the scroll button is something also new what not anoth not a lot of a lot of remote controls have i think technologically i will give it an 7 si 66 yeah sorry 6 so now i i think you see it its statement and you true or false 0 true or false 0 i will i will give it a t a 2 and true is one so yeah yeah sorry 2 you 3 me too so it is a 3 kay well it is a one the 1st item so okay the 2nd item this product is for all sorts of customers well it is a statement which i disagree with because we really aim at at young market and i think the way it looked c totally in yellow it is not really aimed for all customers it does not look like that so it is a that is a 6 5 4 yes it is for the younger g group yeah but it is it is so it is half half of the people so i think it is 4 yeah i mean it still has l large buttons and not m many buttons so i mean the colors are for young people but no yes so i think it is 4 older yeah maybe version 30 has other colors yeah maybe okay give it a 4 4 4 yep okay we put the fashion in electronics that is the motto of our company yeah well do we do this with this product i yeah i think if we do this as it is c it is really orientates on the design so i would give it a 2 me too a 2 because only the battery is not techin technologically high standard but the rest of it is so i think a 2 yes 2 2 i say a 5 it is not fashion it is new it must be a fashion but it is not it it will be fashion yes it w if it is not a fashion we can put it in it so it must be a fashion i think it is a 5 okay then make it th 3 okay yes i will think of that too no kay 0 3 is okay yeah agree i use my feet though 0 we will wait outside a 3 okay yeah okay the next element is the product looks good well personally i do not prefer a remote control that is fully in yellow so i would give this a 5 i give it a one yes a one i like it well i say 3 so counting then is 25 we have to do our 2 or 3 say 2 okay 2 2 2 okay so well we going to do the next part yep the next statement it has not too much buttons yeah i i have said is not because a low number is better and in the end we calculate an average so that is why it is a negative in it well this one of our aims not have too much buttons so did we do that well if we go to this fashion i we still have caused a lot of buttons for the numbers but you can you can go for that and that way you do not have a lot of buttons over so i would give this a 2 one you one me too one one but where where is the next 6 it does not get lost easily so yeah did we implement the sound just a small thing yes no we did not yeah but so but can it get lost if it is such a thing yeah ah i do not think so yellow looks like a pistol yes not a not a normal shapes so it will not get between the pillows on the couch no it will not get lost yeah so it will not a one yeah 01 yeah okay a one one next okay well we aimed for the younger market yeah did we achieve that i think with the way it looks and it is designed i will give it a 2 yeah me yeah me too that was our target 2 2 yeah yeah yep yeah right there is a fancy look and feel yes that that was yeah one of the most important things that trendwatch said i did not say it in my presentation but well does it have that i would say yes so well let us also give this a 2 t i gave this a one because of the rubber it feels soft it looks like a l b a bit like a joystick it is yeah yeah f very fancy trendy okay yes a one i say a 2 it is a a bit personal yeah if it is fancy so i think s 2 is better yeah okay okay 2 is okay 2 and then the last one i could think of it goes with the latest trends no it is new innovation if we looked at the latest trends for the younger people and they ate fruit and vegetables well it has a a nice color well compared to food but we did not we did not paint any fruit and vegetable on it for something like that 0 so i would did not give this a one or 2 i we will go for a 3 i go for 2 because the the shapes are still round the latest trends are soft things you know like i said in my presentation yes but the the colors are basic like yellow red blue something what also younger people want it is also a trend so i will give it a 2 okay 3 me too 3 a 3 yeah okay so come back to the presentation now so we find yourself there and now we have to calculate an average rating so we will do that effort is 310 and 12 yes 304050 21 so it is 2 and 392 and 13rd by 9 2 yeah okay 2 yep come on nah okay so that is a pretty low rating i think yes so it is good so according to our own evaluation we did a good job okay thank you yeah i think 0 nah how am i doing yes and i closed your slide show okay back to my which one was the last for you dreaming yep next please next so now we have a product finance very happy but is it cheap enough so if i will have a look we have a battery one battery cheapest there is okay one battery electronics advanced chip expensive yeah it is the most advanced chip on print we have that one well it is the most advanced we have the simple regular and advanced advanced we have the adva advanced kay so uncurved or flat nope single curved or double curved we have double curved so then we have plastic wood rubber we have half rubber half plastic yes no titanium special color yes yellow yeah yellow yeah interface push button scroll wheel integrated scroll wheel push push button or l c d display so we have the l c d we have 2 scroll wheels or one one one and it is not really a s joystick thing yeah it is this one now button supplement special color we already that is the from the for the buttons the buttons are regular color yeah so then then then then then then then then we are not going to make it no it is too expensive yeah wh so we have to change something what what are the costs €15 15 yeah well when we lose one scroll wheel it is okay cause we can not lose the battery we can not lose the advanced chip we can not lose the double curve we have rubber special color we would have n a special color i do not think it is a very special color 0 no we no it is sorry yellow is it a special color for a remote control what i have for a remote control i think it is yeah if we would have normal buttons instead of the joystick for up down left right then we lose €2 then we have €13 half a euro too much exactly the special colors and what if we use only one sort of so just only plastic or only rubber that is one one discount so i do not think that is good i think we have to keep the l c d if if we change the joyst the joystick thing into a button up button down button right button left yes then it is only €13 and then we will lose ¢50 in what so yeah yeah then you have or you have to cut this off then it is not good anymore no so wait okay i will have a look we and if you say it is just a r normal color it is a normal color wh no one will see it yellow rubber yeah normal normal color and the the joystick away and put the button up button down right left and it is €12 i think one minute please is it maximum yeah it is normal color but if you lose the joystick it is still an advanced chip no no no no or it is then a regular 0 wait wait wait the advanced chip was for the l c d was not it yeah 0 yeah so the advanced is for the l c d and the regular for the joystick 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah and what if we lose the l c d if we lose the l c d then we have an regular chip and no l c d yeah regular chip but is it a good design yeah then you will have to m see the menu on the television and you do not have the l c d if so the t v s has to have to be up to date if we have the n no buttons if we have we have not a joystick but buttons we would have we have €13 yeah yes and then we move the the color what will that be yeah then it is okay huh no knew that yeah okay so no joystick 0 no but we then we get push buttons from half a euro yeah then it is €12 50 then it is okay yes yes yes yes no joystick push buttons no special color €125 then it is okay so we have to change that a little bit and you cannot use the red and green button because if you give them a s color okay all the same you have to pay 2 so all the buttons has to have to be the same color yes but then the print on it will g change it make it for everybody to see what button it is l how you call it yeah recognizable recognizable yeah like what yeah yes yeah so yeah okay okay so well now we have to change that but that is okay rubber what is the normal color 0 well that is clear so and where is yeah so now it is and the joystick away and its buttons yeah it is but then it will be just that ones yeah now it is still he waited at the very good no now project eva evaluation well what do you think of it about the project about the project process went good i think the creativity was good enough we have a gun instead of a remote control leadership yeah you were the project project manager and had the final vote so yeah that was clear team work okay everybody has something to say about it and no 0 only the the drawing was very difficult but nah new ideas found nope okay and you yeah well the same i i espe i especially liked the the means the the smartboard and yeah it it brings up new ideas when you work with with it okay yeah yeah i think you have to compare it to if you would have a normal normal project without laptops and without these devices i think well the laptops if you have them out front of you you sometimes looking at that instead of the presentation well the draw board well you can draw things but it not really going very convenient maybe it will be easier if you have a smaller monitor and you would also see there and with a normal mouse and the project yeah i agree on what was said mainly yeah but you always have that some people are talking more than others and maybe is then the task of the the project manager to also ask more to the people less talking to tell their opinion okay well what do i have to say i think it was good not too many discussions no so it is good for the speed no yep so i think we are ready yeah good price evaluation ready ready beer that is it yeah okay okay then" ]

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[ "have you saved that not yet yes okay so now last time can you push the button one time please so i am still the secretary now i ask you to present a presentation prototype one of your you 2 i do not care this you mean this you mean the prototype yes well this is it thank you it is yellow and this is rubber and this too the sides and the rest is hard plastic and we had some we had a new idea that this can be turned inside and then it covers these buttons okay until here or something and then you can still use the power button and the mute and the joystick so you can still operate all the things because you do not always use the menu and then it can not break okay and the buttons well big big buttons and everything is blue except the power button and the mute of the mute and the other button channel higher channel button and the joystick is for the volume and the channels yes yes that is up is channel up down is channel down to the right is volume up to the left is volume down yeah okay so if joystick and lcd what is the rr is the the rr the company logo very good so that is on the wibber part yes yes it is about here about here so what they say on the side is put fashion there yes it is good 0 so that is it is prototype now the finance we do not know if it is okay so i am going to look we have the sorry we changed the order why are we going to finance this evaluate it 1st now 1st we have to evaluate the product sorry that is a this can be we are going to do the evaluation now together that i have introduction now it works so it will come up yeah well we have think of few inflation criteria based on our marketing strategy on the latest trends on user preferences we have a 7 point scale from 2 and one to false 7 and on base of each criteria we need to give a waiting we can look like this but we are going to do it here they said so you hope i found out how to do this with a word document excuse me yes use a word for the word for the document okay yeah and i have to word document criteria so we open up blank here i think i can well this is just an example so it is not very important but if i can get a number wing here 0 it is okay we get it 0 that is okay so you have to think of it as the remote control is technologically innovative and then we have to agree on the waiting together and in the end we will count an average of all weighting prefers on each item what do you think yeah i think it is well technology you see it is not it does not contain many new features only the lcd so i think i will give it a 4 i think the scroll button is something also new with not a lot of remote controls have i think technologically technologically i will give it in 766 sorry i think you see it one it is a statement and you say i will do i will give it a 2 or false i will i will give it a 2 yeah sorry you 3 me too so it is a true okay no no this is one the 1st item okay the 2nd item this product is for all sorts of customers well it is a statement which i disagree with because we really aim at the young market and i think the way it looks totally in yellow it is not really aimed for all customers it does not look like that so it is a 6 that is 65 4 yes it is for the younger group yeah but it is half of the people so i think it is 4 yeah i mean he still has large buttons and not many buttons i mean the colors are for young people but i think it is 4 maybe version 3 yeah maybe okay give it a 4 4 yeah okay we put the version in electronics that is the motto of our company yeah well do we do this with this product i think we do this as it is a really orientate on the design so i would give that 2 me too too because only the battery is not technically high standard but the rest of it is so i think a 2 yes 2 i say a 5 it is not fashion it is new it must be a fashion but it is not it will be fashion yes if it is not a fashion we can put it in it so it must be a fashion i think it is 5 they make it the 3 yes i was thinking of it i use my feet though i will wait outside 3 okay the next element is the product looks good well personally i do not prefer remote control that is fully in yellow so i would give this a 5 i give it a one yeah so one i like it i like it i say 3 so counting 10 is 25 we have to do how we say 2 or 3 2 or 2 okay we are getting to do the next part the next statement it has not too much buttons i have said this is not because a lower number is better and in the end we calculate an average so that is why it is a negative in it this is one of our aims to not have too much buttons so did we do that well if we go to this version we still have of course a lot of buttons for the numbers you can cover that and that way you do not have a lot of buttons over a lot of buttons over so i would give this 2 one you one me too one one but where is they waste next 6 it does not get lost easily did we implement the sound yes just a small thing no we did not but can it get lost if it is such a thing i do not think so yellow looks like a pistol not a normal shape it will not get between the pillows and on the couch on the couch it will not get lost so do not a one no one yeah one okay a one next okay okay well we aimed for the younger market did we achieve that i think with the way it looks and it is designed i would give it a 2 yeah me too that was our target 2 2 yeah yeah right that is a fancy look and feel yes that was one of the most important things that trent what you said i did not say it in my presentation but well does it have that i would say yes so i will also give this a 2 except 2 i give this a one because of the rubber it feels soft it looks like a bit like a joystick it is very fancy trendy okay yes one i say 2 it is a bit personal it is fancy so i think 2 is better yeah okay okay 2 is okay yes then the last one i could think of it goes with the latest trends no it is new innovation we looked at the latest trends for the younger people and they had food and vegetables well it has a nice color more compared to food but we did not paint and we did not paint any food and vegetables on this or something like that no so i would not give this one or 2 i would go for 3 i go for 2 because the shapes are still round the latest trends are soft things like i said in my presentation yes the colors are basic like yellow red blue something what also the younger people want it is also a trend so i give the 2 okay 3 me 2 or 3 3 yeah okay so come back to the presentation now so we find yourself there and now we have to calculate an average waiting so we will do that that 21 so it is 2 and 3 9 2 and one 3 9 3rd 2 yeah okay 2 2 2 yeah go a more yeah go a more no no okay so that is a pretty low weighting i think so it is good so according to our own evaluation we did a good job okay thank you i think i will 0 i do my yes and i will close to your slideshow my which one was the last for you i am thinking yep next please so now we have a project very happy but is it cheap enough so if so i have a look we have a battery one battery cheapest there is okay one battery electronics advanced chip expensive yeah it is the most advanced chip on print we have that one it is the most advanced we have simple regular and advanced advanced we have the advanced okay it is uncurved a flat curved or flat no single curved or double curved we have double curved then we have plastic wood half half plastic yes no titanium special color yes yellow interface push button scroll wheel integrated scroll wheel push button or lcd display so we have lcd we have 2 scroll wheels or one one one it is not really joystick thing yeah this one now bottom supplement special color we already are it is the for the buttons the buttons are regular color yeah so then then then then then then then we are not going to make it i do not know it is too expensive so we have to change what are the costs €15 15 yeah when we lose one scroll wheel it is okay because we can not lose the battery we can not lose that fun chip we can not lose the double curve we have rubber we would have special color a special color i do not think it is a very special color sorry yellow is it a special color for remote control what for a remote control i think it is if we would have normal buttons instead of the joystick up down left right then we lose €2 then we have €13 half a euro too much exactly the special colors and what if we use only one sort of just only plastic or only rubber that is one one discount i do not think that is good i think we have to keep the lcd if we change the joystick thing into button up button down button right button left yes then it is only €13 and then we will lose ¢50 in what yeah then you have to cut this off then it is not good anymore no so wait okay i will have a look and if you say it is just a normal color it is a normal color it is a normal color yellow rubber yeah normal normal color and the joystick away and put the button up button down right left and it is €12 i think one minute please is it maximum it is normal color but if you lose the joystick it is still an advanced chip no no no no regular wait white white that file chip was for the lcd was it yeah 0 yeah so that found is for the lcd and the regular for the joystick yeah what if you lose the lcd if we lose the lcd then we have a regular chip and no lcd is it a good design yeah then you have to see the main see the menu on the television and you do not have the lcd so the tvs has to be up to date if you have no buttons if you have not the joystick but buttons we would have we had €13 and then we moved the color will that be that be then it is okay okay no that okay so no joystick 0 no but we then we get push buttons from half a euro yeah then it is 12 you are 50 then it is okay right it is just yes yes yes no joystick push buttons no special color 12 and a half euros then it is okay so we have to change that a little bit and you cannot use the red and green button because if you give them a color you have to pay 2 so all the buttons have to be the same color but then the print on it will change it make it for everybody to see what button it is you call it recognizable recognizable yeah yeah yeah okay okay so well now i have to change that but it is okay what is the normal color 0 that is clear so and and where is boo so now and the joystick away and its buttons yeah but then it will be just that one now now it is now it is so you see it awaited at the very good now project evaluation well what do you think of it what do you think of it about the what about the project process went good i think the creativity was good enough we have a gun instead of remote control leadership you were the project manager and had the final vote so that was clear teamwork okay everybody has something to say about it and only the drawing was very difficult but no new ideas found nope okay thank you yeah well the same i especially like the means the smart board and yeah it brings up new ideas when you work with it okay yeah i think you have to compare it to if you would have normal normal posters without laptops without these devices i think well the laptops if you have now a fund of you are sometimes looking at that instead of the presentation well the drawboard well you can draw things but it is not really going very confident maybe it will be easy if you have a smaller monitor air and you will also see it there with a normal mouse and the process yeah i agree on what was said mainly yeah what you always have is that some people are talking more than others and maybe it is then the task of the the project manager to also ask more to the people less talking to tell their opinion okay well what do i have to say i think it is good not too many discussions so no it is good for the speed so i think we are already good price eviduation ready ready whewhoo beer that is it yeah okay okay you peepee yeah this is i thank you a laping on and then i will let it off sluid so i am looking at all a questionnaire entry boards open half hour or so 05 year or so ah and now and now who is participant one yes then you go to your room and there you have put in some questions on those again okay okay okay okay okay 0 0 0 good luck with the final questionnaires you too we will just make a end report what say we will have a endraport make leu have i so much in or not 0 yeah what effect i am a bit see i can a p yeah okay" ]

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[ "okay je croix que c est dommage de le it will be sad to destroy this prototype it really looks like a banana it is a banana it is a banana it is the essence of bananas i would be confused with this thing s okay how is everyone hi hi so we are here for the detailed design meeting so we will i will 1st present what we are going to do in this meeting then i have i will also take notes during this meeting and i will send you a summary then as usual we will then look at the evaluation criteria of the prototype presented by our 2 colleagues that make good work and then we will see the financial aspects and the cost of the product then we will evaluate the product and end with the conclusion of this project and see whether it fits with it fulf if it fulfill the requirement or not so d let us start with the cost aspect so so i look at the aspect discussed last time that is to say to have a standard battery to have a yellow banana shaped case with a rubber material around it to be to feel spongy like a banana and also at the different aspect like having a wheel etcetera and the cost ended to be €107 so which is good because we had a price gap of €125 so for the financial aspect it is okay we can we can continue with this product as if and we are now going to see the project evaluation with our marketing expert yeah okay so you can have my project in yeah you have a presentation yeah just a 4 participant 4 yes evaluation okay okay okay so you can go we can go through okay so i made an evaluation and the the evaluation criteria is made according to the users requirements and the market trends we talked about during the previous meetings so you can go through and okay so we have 6 points okay we we talked about before okay so we we want to have a product fancy look and feel technologically innovative easy to use fashion easy to find in a room and robust and i have a scale of 7 points yeah yeah okay so i go through all the all the points here yeah and according to what you think about the this project you can make a one2 point or 7 point okay okay and after we ha we have an an average and we see okay the okay so fancy look and feel what do you think okay maybe you can presen okay f between 01 and 7 maybe hold it so i think it is very very nice i give it a i give it a 5 what do you think yeah so it is between one and 7 yeah 7 is the highest 7 is the i will give a 6 i will give a a 5 sorry and you eh do you vote christine do you also vote no i just want to see something maybe we all have to agree on a common well we can very easily yeah i think and need to as well no problem need to i do not know if you we ha we have to put one f so this is your if it is better or one is most i well we can choose what we want yeah okay let us say that 7 is the best or maybe we can say s 7 is the best okay so so do note the grade we have 56 for me 5 5 and what what is your choice 0 sorry 6 how much would you give on the fancy aspect on the fashionable aspect s you can how much what how much would you you do not answer to this questionnaire 0 yes i i dunno i think 6 it is a good so it will have 55 average 55 average yeah wa can okay okay well does it i sorry okay so after the technological aspect okay techne technological aspect so we we said we have a new technological thing with a wheel yeah we have the wheel we also have the rubber material which make it like new also i think i would give a 5 it is 4 4 a 4 also because except for the wheel we do not have so much innovation yeah the rubber is okay d are we including the voice are you glu are we including the voice in the end or not a 4 i i no huh no okay so what is your grade no 4 4 so we have 44 f and 5 we can put 4 yeah for 25 yeah 4 everyone is okay or 4 poin 4 yeah let us put 4 4 yeah okay does not it very easy to use do you think it is easy to use yeah yeah i think so i give a 7 i think yeah 6 i would give a i would give a 7 as well it is very easy to use 6 for me also 6 so 65 65 kay 6665 okay okay is it fashion 0 yeah its its f its fruit fruit shape 7 i would say 7 and is very very nice design yeah it is fashion because it is a fruit and we say that the yeah 7 yeah we can we can put a 7 here yeah yeah 7 yeah yeah 7 okay well we hope easy to find easy to find in a room i lost my banana i think you can not miss it yeah yeah okay yeah i think it is cool i think we can put a 6 here we have the lightning or yeah we have the we do not sesh especially have the lightning but the lighting so you will make the material transparent so that it lights up completely or so it is yellow yeah it is okay i think it is very easy to i would say 7 7 6 it is hard to miss it yeah okay yeah is it is it robust yeah it is rubber made of rubber i think it is m it is more rubber than other remote control f yeah it is ru it is rubber yeah yeah the only problem there might be which know i if it is very sensitive they will i do not know yeah yeah but it is it is surrounded by rubber material yeah okay yeah so maybe we can put a 6 yeah everybody is okay 6 6 or 5 5 6 is okay 6 yeah for me 6 yeah okay yeah yeah s now so tadada we have to sum up everything 20 132026573236 30 thir that is that is okay 6 6 is a good okay good if we say that 7 it is it is the better and when s 6 sit 6 are good it is a good p product i think yeah the top yeah the be okay so 6 is a so will become 8 soon so it is a good evaluation i think it is very promising yeah well it is a bit biased we have a good price and huh yeah okay good so this prototype is quite nice because i saw some phones that were banana shaped wireless phones not mobile ones wireless for the house yeah okay quite big also and they were selling something like a €100 €200 just a just a phone wireless so having this at €25 is quite attractive i think yeah i think the but almo also the complexity between a phone and a remote control is not cannot compare yeah yeah it is much more complex but yeah so i think we can summarize so we have seen the prototype it is very nice according to the work of our 2 designer the the the financial aspect were okay we we have the cost below our threshold and so we could sell at €25 and make i make profit the the evaluation give satisfying result as well so i think we can move to the last part of the meeting so the cost is in the budget the evaluation is okay so i th i think we can now open champagne and make a huge party start to eat banana i do not know if it is provided by by the meeting staff okay okay so congratulation congratulations to the team yeah nice product very well we worked together fantastically yeah i think it was a good collaboration so what does the management say aspect sorry what does the management say i think we will have much bigger project next time and a much bigger salary as well ah all it depends on who watch this meeting yeah we do not know yeah okay so good guys so see you for next successful project okay okay yeah fruits kay" ]

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[ "okay i think it is a d emache to the it would be sad to destroy this prototype it really looks like a banana it is a banana it is a banana it is a banana i am not just a good how is everyone hi so we are here for the detail design meeting so we are here for the detailed design meeting so i will 1st present what we are going to do in this meeting then i will also take notes during this meeting and i will send you a summary then as usual we will then look at the evaluation criteria of the prototype presented by our 2 colleagues that make good work and then we will see the financial aspects and the cost of the product then we will evaluate the product and with the conclusion of this project and see whether it fits if it fulfill the requirement or not so let us start with the cost aspect so i look at the aspect discussed last time that is to say to have a standard battery to have a yellow banana shaped case with rubber material around it to be to feel spongy and also at the different aspect like having a wood wheel etc and the cost tended to be €107 which is good because we had a price cap of €125 so for the financial aspect it is okay we can continue with this product as if and we are now going to see the project evaluation with our marketing expert okay so you can have my project in you have a presentation yeah just a participant for yes evaluation okay okay so you can go you can go through okay so i made an evaluation evaluation and the evaluation criteria is made according to the user is requirements and the market trends we talked about during the previous meetings so you can go to and okay okay so we have 6 points we talked about before so we want to have a product fancy look and feel technological innovative easy to use fashion easy to find in a room and robust and i have a scale of 7 points so i go through all the points here and according to what you think about this project you can make one2 point or 7 points and after we have an average and we see okay so fancy look and feel what do you think maybe you can between one and 7 okay maybe so i think it is very very nice i give it a 5 yeah so it is between one and 7 yeah 7 is the highest 7 i will give a 6 i will give a 6 i will give 5 sorry do you go to the question you also vote no i just want to see something maybe we all have to agree on the common well we can think that was very easy now yeah i think i think no problem i do not know if we have to put one if it is better or one is most or well we can choose well we can choose what we yeah okay let us say that 7 is the best okay so do not the grade were 56 for me 55 and what is your choice so much would you give on the fancy aspect you can how much what how much would you you do not answer to this 0 yeah i do not know i think 6 it is a good so we have 55 average yeah okay can that okay okay where is it sorry okay so after the technological aspect okay technological aspect so we said we have a new a new technological thing with the wheel yeah we have the wheel we also have the rubber material which make it like new also i think i would give a 5 i would give a 4 4 or 4 or so because except the wheel we do not have so much innovation the rubber is okay are we including the voice in the end the voice in the end or not no no okay so what is your grade 44 so we have 44 and 5 you can put 4 yeah everyone is okay or 44 yeah let us put 4 okay does it 3 easy to use do you think it is easy to use yeah i will give us 7 nothing yeah i would give a 7 as well it is very easy to use 6 for me also 65 okay is it fashion 0 yeah it is food shape i would say 7 and it is very nice design it is fashion because it is a fruit and we say that we come to the 7 here yeah 7 okay well you hope easy to find in a room i lost my banana i think we can not miss it yeah okay i think it is cool i think we could put a 6 here we have the lightning or yeah we have the we do not especially have the transparent so that it lights up completely so it is yellow it is okay i think it is very easy to 7 i would say 7 it is hard to miss it 6 yeah is it robust yeah it is rubber made of rubber i think it is more robust than other remote control the only problem there might be with the wheel i do not know if it is very sensitive yeah yeah but it is surrounded by rubber or matter so maybe we can put a 6 yeah everybody is okay 6 5 6 is okay okay now so so we have to sum up 13 20 265 32 36 that is okay 6 6 okay 6 is a good if we say that 7 it is a better and one okay it is a good product i think it will become very soon so it is a good evaluation i think it is very promising yeah but it is a bit biased we have a good price and so this prototype is quite nice because i saw some phones that were banana shaped wireless phones not mobile ones wireless from the house quite big also they were selling here and a soup for something like a €100 €200 just the phone so having this at €25 is quite attractive i think i think the also the complexity between a phone and the remote control is not cannot compare yeah it is a much more complex but so i think we can summarize so we have seen the prototype it is very nice according to the work of our 2 designers the financial aspect were okay we have the cost below our threshold and so we could sell at €25 and make make profits the evaluation gives satisfying results as well so i think we can move to the last part of the meeting so the cost is in the budget the evaluation is okay so i think we can open champagne and make a huge party i do not know if it is provided by the meeting staff okay okay so congratulations nice project team we work together fantastic yeah i think it was a good collaboration aspect so what does the management say sorry what does the management say i think we will have a much bigger project in this time and a much bigger salary as well well it depends on who watch this meeting we do not know okay okay so good guys so see you for next successful project yeah good okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay yeah i am a good yeah hey hey" ]

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[ "okay we start waiting for people coming late and i can say this because in this moment you cannot answer because you do not have the microphone thanks yeah yeah sorry about that matthew is still on the way so i can say whatever and you cannot reply yeah so yeah okay hang on reply coming yeah it is okay u 0 i hate these things voila okay so we can maybe get a head start have you been talking to matthew about what you have been doing or a little bit but i am m i am not sure he knows everything so basically well 1st we tried to explain why in this resc n best list re scoring from the slides to enhance the speech recognition on the meetings data is not working yeah yeah yeah so that is one thing and so what we did with alessandro is ch t performing some statistical tests to see whatever r if the if the words the the appearance of the words during the meeting is in independent of the ap appearances of the different slides yeah so the in the case if it is dependent that would mean that certain words tend to appear during certain slides and that there is a correlation and then there will be a reason like for believing that this will work yeah which was the intuitive feeling yeah yeah and is and the r result was no the resu the result was no but bu but the question is if is that result no because it is no or is it also just because there is not really enough data to be sure about anything ye in my opinion it is no because of the nature of the language i mean intuitively of course you tend to use more the words that are on the slide sure but the mass of the words actually you use are words that are common yeah okay just think that 50% of the words on average whatever corpus you take are stop words articles et cetera yeah yeah so in terms of recognition 50% goes away yeah of the rest remaining 50% i mean are all words that appear 123 times it is not going to yeah so in any case even if actually and they tend to be related or a statistically related to a single slide in any case in terms of recognition do not help at all or help a very little yeah so that is the kind of thing i mean that is the kind of measure the ind statistical independence is not on single words yeah yeah this is so sort of a feeling that we had but had not shown i think i mean i in from from an application point of view it might be interesting to make sure that your vocabulary contains all the words on the slides but from a research perspective it is not interesting you know even if actually i remember i just made some measure saying okay l let us look at how many words i do not have in the dictionary and are in the slides there would be very few yeah true it was 2% yeah almost nothing well this is h this is how the dictionary is calculated it calculated such that if you do not have the word it does not affect to a great degree the the the word error rate yeah exactly exactly so exactly so some in some sense it intuitively it sounds very good but in practical terms in terms of recognition here we we we have to be clear if you want to improve the recognition that im improves very slightly yeah sure yep it is different if you want to have other tasks where the only words that all are words m like yeah yeah in that case even the slight improvements he gets at that point they can make the difference yeah but th yeah but does the recognition no well this is yeah that is yeah and some way the statistical independence i think it can be a good explanation to show why it is happen even if it is counterintuitive yeah but that is that is what happens basically huh so matthew we were yeah could you ju just quickly rewind yeah it is we were talking that we did some experiments to see if the word during meeting the words appear independently of the slides in a sense that if certain words tend to appear during certain slides or no 0 sorry about that yeah yeah okay 0 okay and the answer is no okay and so we did a statistical test for that and i will add also that we did that on the w the words after filtering them from the removing the the stop words 0 of course yeah yeah yeah so so bec s because yeah yep okay cause it is not going to make any difference yep with the stop words okay th there would be a reason for in independence because there is such a huge mess of them but even after removing them there it it remains independent and actually so when i was doing the re scoring experiments i was doing that on one meeting that i selected as being like the best looking one it ha it had the m the most slides and now i did the same on the other meetings which were available where well it is only 3 meetings because well here there are 4 of them which are from the test set from the ami recogniser w but only 3 of them have slides yep so it is total of 3 meetings and for the others the tendency and i c cause you know i was when i was doing re scoring i was taking into account the for one given slide also the n neighboring slides and as i was in increasing the number of slides which were affecting the the utterance i was re scoring the performance was improving sli s slightly very very little but no no wait wait it is going very fast for me actually yeah thing actually it is very fast so wha 1st point the 1st thing you told me that you took the slides and you was and you had a l big dictionary and you are seeing what what are the inside the slide right what the cause i 1st statement i could not understand the the 1st thing we are talking about ex the experiment to see the if it is dependent or independent when you said the the saint the s the w yeah so we what is so yeah so could you please tell me little bit more in detail how we did it yeah so we used the pearson chi square test no no no no do not go that i i want the no i want to understand what did you mean by the wo the te thing like saying that i took a dictionary and then a word from the slide and what you are looking for i could not understand clearly clearly that ah okay it was to to see if certain words have a tendency to appear during they if they are more likely to appear during certain slides okay but do how do why do you want certain words w like wha how do you expect that certain words be be b be careful it is not exactly this because for sure there are words that tend to be so the point is you want to verify whether you can improve the recognition rate by using as an information the words that are contain in the slides yeah so basically the idea is that in the moment you are in the slide somewhere your language change accordingly to the slide exactly so the fact of having that information somewhere can help you to improve the recognition exactly but actually it is not what happens yeah and this does not happen for many reason 1st for example 50% of the words in any kind of text are stop words so are everywhere yeah and the remaining a appear so little that in the case cannot really improve that much most of the words we use actually whatever we talk about are common words okay so how to verify this i mean this is something that has been measured et cetera but still is a bit qualitative to have a quantitative measure we simply did a measure of statistical independence between the words in general okay so not some words the words in general otherwise you can see that if a words appear once basically it is 100% related to one slide huh yeah but you have to i if you want to consider in terms of recognition have to make it overall i mean what is important is not the word that appear once it is the word that appear yeah it appears in almost it is if it appears in all the slides it says a 100% correlation for me if i exactly if if there is one word that appear once all over the meeting one well yeah it appears in correspondence of one slide then of course it seems to be very related yeah yeah but very few words they represent a very little part of the word mass are like that okay so we simply used a very old test statistical test okay that basically measure the hypothesis that some way the probability of having one word in correspondence of a certain slide is simply the product of the probability of the word for the probability of the okay it is independent of each other okay that is it so that is what we did okay fine that is fine that is s certain words it should but is in general the language and not certain words because certain words for sure have a strong dependency on the slides yeah you have to okay but there are l few yeah yeah yeah fine now i am okay i am into the loop yeah and the answer to that was no and s so when extending the those experiments to the other meetings when while i was observing an improvement on the 1st meeting i was using so i was r observing an improvement as i was increasing like the the context context yeah but it is implemented on the a s r or where on the on the recognition yeah okay so there was the improvement was also increasing as i was increasing the context okay while on the other meetings it is it is it is it is really fluctuating and i it it it looks more like ps well what is the word for that statistical fluctuation fluctuations 0 okay so i mean the it is probably very dependent on the speaker as well yeah some people have a habit of just reading what they have got on their slides and some people are com are are well else interpolate extrapolate or or or quite purposefully talk about different things so that they have sort of got multi modality of you know yeah yeah yeah but so i mean i guess that is not a surprising result then the yeah it is not in terms i mean for me for example it was not in the sense that after working a little bit on language you realize that this kind of thing do not help simply because most of the words have nothing to do specifically with the subject you use yeah yeah most of the words we use that is strange but are simply necessary to build a sentence s yeah yeah there are very few content words yeah but it is true that intuitively as we are driven in our attention i mean in in our understanding we are pretty much driven by attention that we tend to spot only those words yeah sure we s go straight to the semantics of the yep exactly and in some sense intuitively it seems that it can happen i mean this is not the 1st attempt to do things like this and it never works actually i in terms of recognition for other task it can be it can be helpful yes maybe okay so you mea so you mean to say that like when one case you were saying that if you include the context and all those thing it helps in your a s r improvement 0 okay but it does not which more subjective i think this whole well i mean it just comes down to the to the mere fact that word error rate is just take the words how many of them did you get right yeah take plus or -2 or 3 or 5 or 10 words does not really make any difference huh yes yeah yeah huh so yeah even if those words at the end of the day would be quite important in any sort of search of the transcript yep exactly but at the end of the day why would not you just use the slides to search the transcript yeah you can do that yeah i if you have th slides then yeah or it could so that is why if we look on the relationship that exists between the speech and the slides the task of improving the recognition the overall sp speech recognition using the slides seems to be not very good no y you would ju i mean the i mean it so i mean have you been doing other things then i mean we cannot expect much from from it have you have you been thinking about what you would like to to do in in in place of this or or or leading on from this given what you have learnt well for now the most effort was on showing why i it is i it is it will not work especially those experiments and these statistical tests but we w were thinking for example of a task like trying to see if where a speaker is talking i mean if the speech is actually correlated with the slides where the slides which happen during the not correlated but if the be careful correlate is a dangerous word in statistic cause ours is strict yeah it seems to be the opposite as before yeah well if the associated if the speaker is actually talking about what is in the slides or not the okay or roughly basically one thing it can not be done and and here on the contrary for example the few words that are how may i say it recognized more can really make the difference yeah it is not the case if you want to see if i mean what if seen in the meeting and that okay there are presentation then yeah still the slide is there but actually the people talk about other things sure or not really other things but the slide is no longer a support for the discussion huh the focus yeah okay there are moment that actually this is the support because the people describe et cetera and there are moment where it is not is a just a background thing and we rough estimated very quickly yep but it was 13rd of the time at least in in the meeting we have seen the slide were just there i mean but they were no longer use as a support it was a discussion rather between people okay so in that case the presence or the absence and especially the frequence with which you observe the words that are on the slides can be an excellent clue indicator huh indication a clear indication whether actually does it support of the discussion or not m meeting action sort of focus it can be this it can be interpreted as a kind of focus of interest it can be simply interpreted in the sense of saying okay i mean you have this channel open there yep do i have to p taken into account or not or also in terms of action yeah when you see that s the discussion is completely m disconnected with respect to this some way it means that it is happen in something different than before yeah yep so i mean it is a kind of feature that in my opinion can be easy to detect it and that can yeah f can be interesting to do yeah relatively easy to do and in that case for example the few words that you that you get more can make the difference yeah sure yeah 0 so is that double way to to show how some way dependent on the task so you so you so okay so maybe like it can be something like in a meeting it can be like an unusual scenario for you in a presentation with a slide w and the unusual scenario that you are not using the slide at all yeah or for example what happened for example in one of the meetings is that p people were summarizing the the results of the previous meeting well yeah you know so in the beginning so the meeting started with the summary of what happened previous time and this was not related to what was on the slides yeah what are the other slide yeah ye yeah okay so i mean you could begin with s saying the a the simple task of just determining whether or not the speech is related to the slide content and which is sort of building upon what you know dong and others have worked on in terms of you know is it discussion monolog from the original m 4 data collection a y are are you also considering that you could actually look at the relationship between meetings for instance well okay what do you mean exactly well i mean it if if if these similar sort of phrases or words were discussed in this meeting and were also discussed in the previous meeting then you sort of have a a link between meetings for instance link yeah some way well there are f yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i do not know i do not know how this you have to ches the check the statistics but this is one yeah but i i mean cause obviously you have got to think towards what you know yeah this this will not occupy ab ab you know will not occupy you for 3 years or whatever just on this i guess but have to look at all the future and so just a s huh yeah i know this we are s s talking about today short term if you want yeah yeah things just to the use the things i mean all the work they that has done basically which is a huge work okay yeah it was recycling kind of and the data we have then enough for the for a thesis of course it must be much better yeah but of course the there is only 22 different kinds of words some of them you can do it on a single meeting so this kind of feature extraction because basically that is what it is saying yes no this channel is good now is background now is foreground et cetera you can put it in that in that way yeah okay this you do it on a single meeting yeah and then there are corpus based how may i say it works so yeah that is one possibility for example finding the connection between different meetings and yep task yep then i do not know i mean at that point it becomes pretty much crucial the kind of data you have in the sense that for the way we have collected the data some way i do not know if it can be at the same time too easy in the sense that some way you have little groups of meetings extremely correlated yeah well y yeah sure so i mean it it makes it easier i mean i do not know how much significant can be at that level yeah yeah it can be i mean it is it is and because we do not have all the data collected or annotated yet it is it is very difficult to know is not it i in a sense if you want this kind of words become interesting when the corpus is really big when when you when you consider each meeting as a single item yeah yep yep yep so it is interesting when you have 10s 100s 1000s of meetings which is not the case but i mean you can do other work if you consider in terms of speaker turns or in terms of slides and that is immediately multiply yeah sure or b or as you say back channel versus yeah yeah yep yep that is another cause i th think that is quite interesting huh i mean cause it is an awful lot of speech activity which is yeah huh even summarization or so it can be one more feature that helps in but it is very short term i mean just well it is ju just few few few times we talk together and it was just sure yeah mean the very quick thing you can can have like this okay okay so i mean as far as that you have got everything to do that i presume you do not need any extra stuff from us in the immediate future no or i mean that is good we have plenty of things to do that is good no but i mean it it but for the other thing you know the alternative measures or maybe we should finish with this 1st what track i mean yeah i would not get too distracted i guess on d d if you have got 2 tracks i would like to yeah this this would be a f another subject i would like to discuss s but w but basically ju just you know if we finish discussing this 1st yeah go on yeah it is no problem okay yeah so well so ultimately now the next step what is that because i want like kind of a so at 1st you said that okay now you did this this correlation studies and they show that there is a very less correlation or in fact no correlation kind of thing and so so what next in on top of it what you are going to build i mean is the question now but i think in a sense in my opinion well there are 2 things when this statistical test it can be we have made an experiment we get a result somewhat counter intuitive we give an explanation yeah yeah and that is it i mean that is that is something that some way closes here so when it gives you the kind of answer you get is that okay to go in that in that direction maybe is not the best thing maybe to improve the recognition that way is not something you can expect so it gives the possibility to decide to go in a different direction that can be more on this let us say yeah so t i mean to the different direction now that is what i mean to say what you like to take from there this is not clearly defined yet it is not defined yet okay this is but something using this relationship between the slides and other even other tek textual support and the and the speech but what kind of problem we need a definition of some kind of problem right but i and the k and the question is also are there other sort of more sensible ways of doing it yeah for instance gaze tracking yeah i mean if if people are looking at the slides well i think the advantage eventually w i mean the advantage with this kind of things is that are much easier gaze tracking is still yeah sure and it has specific to the environment and all that sort of thing no no no just with the environment is a difficult thing yeah i mean it requires cameras with pretty good quality et cetera yeah no but but i think his question is more general yeah a and it says so i mean based on this work do you figure out a direction if they guess correctly yeah direction yeah that is that is a thing a domain a direction for your thesis for your exactly huh we go on to the next direction it should not that i it should not happen that you are doing so many things and ultimately it does not goes into a thesis exactly exactly exactly the that is that should not the problem exactly your thesis should be w in one direction one problem and should go in one or one d yeah one domain yeah not a collection of little things completely unrelated it it does not make sense but the it may be good as a c v for you but then as a thesis you will have problems defending it and all those things that is very yeah sure so what is that what would be the next possible direction you want to take well this is the question i am working on but i mean for instance it should be linked to the other stuff that you have been doing on call routing for instance and and you know error merit err error measures yes error measure i mean i think i mean i i think that it is possible to draw some sort of relationship between the 2 as we were saying i mean maybe if you you do not measure things in terms of word error rate maybe this sort of information does actually mean something yeah given that 50% of the words are not actually interesting yeah so i mean w yeah that that could be interesting to try to merge those 2 things well w w no it does not solve the problem but it is f what is it m but still does not solve the problem of saying what i yeah yeah sure sure yeah it is yeah yeah yeah what i what you are going to do for your thesis i mean as herve said i mean basically if you have to explain in 4 lines yeah exactly what will be the topic of my thesis the subject of my thesis and it is something that is not just saying i am going to do this this this and that yeah i mean because this we actually do not know but yeah in a very broad sense i mean w what you are going to investigate what kind of yeah and i s see that is going to tell us something like wha the thing is that i it it see you can totally go into the text domain and be there if i interpret correctly you know it can be s no problem but as long as it is okay but if you want to do with s like certain something with the speed and all those things together then it is a different scenario you may not want to work on all the problems someone may work on some other problem but then you you make use of that to extend your work in some and and as i also t it depends like also like i think if boss is interested in working in both speech and text you can understand very well that part is also there sure are they are interested in that or no no the boss like have a it is like instead of saying like you should like work on both side you know the text and the speech aspect of it so yeah then one basic thing i suggested even thinking about i mean is exactly this stru all these scenarios that can be a meeting that can be presentation where you have a s a relationship between speech between things that are said and some textual documents some way yeah why not try to to to to study this relationship to improve this relationship to use this relationship for whatever it is yeah indexing or annotation or whatever meta data extraction and if you want for example this little work about seeing when the slide channel is background and foreground is not beginning of this kind of thing yeah so a relationship between 2 channel that provide some kind of information yeah yeah i think i think it is maybe an interesting test scenario and we know that you are sort of basing something around speech and and text i think there needs to be one sort of extra higher goal above that so that you can motivate future research yep sure yeah that is what what is missing sure sure sure sure sure w one thing interesting is what we came up in the discussion also you about telling that detecting such scenarios where there is no relation between the slide and the person talking that may be one good starting point for you actually and then at that point y you detect something like that and then you show something like what you are saying that i if there is if there i if it is out of discussion the words are no way are going to help your recognition anyway a s r but if it is more on the the slide information is not going to help you but if it is if it is related to the sli what he is giving a presentation on the slide then you show the your a s r if you detect this even then you can show that how where you can really help or not help because you say there is no correlation now but then here it comes that there at some point there might be a correlation there no no be careful for the recognition in general there is no correlation in the sense that even if you are talking about what is on the slide most of the words you use most of the words you use are not really correlated to that are simply words yeah and consider also that we all speak english here yeah and apart of native english speakers we have a very limited vocabulary in general yeah yeah this was so we tend to use always the same words but on average you know linguistic research shows that on average the people use 500 words that is what we have a disposition so okay yeah and we say everything yeah for english it is especially low yeah we say everything with that and probably we not a native english speaker we use even less so that is gives an idea of why basically in terms of recognition it does not really help because you always use anyway the same words yeah and a few occurrences of words that are there in terms of recognition make 12% so maybe it is not enough to justify an effort to improve the recognition 0 speci then you can change of task and use a task the task we were mentioning about the back channel or foreground channel okay in that case the only words that really are important are those words that appear on both slides the th sides and the talk yeah at that point i mean a little improvement of that it becomes a big improvement i mean maybe in terms of recognition it is 05% yeah yeah but in terms of that task is maybe 20% yeah okay well another thing you have to remember is these models have been tuned to include ami data yeah so i mean perhaps if you had slides and and presentations to do with something that was off topic you did not have you had not seen any prior data then you might see a bigger contribution as well like another mic yeah but i mean essentially you have actually sort of included the information from the slides in the language model yeah that is another interesting point i mean we are using data that are fake any in any case they are simulation no real data yeah and especially the slides i think i have seen those slides i mean they are pretty much artificial okay okay they are pre pre prepared exactly th yeah most of the most of the time you have the title to do no but but not pre prepare okay but the ami dat the ami data what that like that only most of the time you knew they had the word yeah but the word you are going to present everyone is presenting the same set of slide yeah i yeah i mean everything is pretty much artificial huh that that is what i mean so you mention for example this fact that sometimes speakers tend to read yeah this is especially true when you have bullet list huh yeah yeah sometimes people really go through it did not happen in the data simply because it was not the same people prepa exactly it is not there okay ah so for example it will be possible in any case because the herve is infrastructure is ready and now we are going to collect the presentation there maybe we can see what about m l m i w the one we collected last year y the audio quality though the audio is is is very bad yeah audio is very bad right yeah yeah i i thing is really one single channel or at least a closed channel collection no you know that was collected m a little bit like this without too much care it was it was a personal effort of mael that decided to do it okay okay okay it was really good to do it it was good tha tha tha that was good to yeah it was very good but basically it was made without any specific know without thinking we want to recognize just to have them okay so the especially the audio channel is absolutely awful yeah so they are is there are still using that desktop microphone or what over there ah or yeah they had like y y they you know they had this set up with the the microphones so someone every it there was one microphone shared between every 2 people ah but they had deals with people forgetting to turn the microphone on forgetting to turn it off f it was it was meant i think they they chose that lecture theater possibly with the idea that it would be good for collecting data i mean i i am sure they could have probably had university of edinburgh host it or whatever but i th i think the you know the h c i part of it did not quite work out to how they planned yeah okay okay so ap that is fine yeah that is that is that is one of the reason for example why which mark we point pretty much on slides as a mean of indexing because at that point there is no interaction between humans and capture yeah because whenever you have microphones that you have to move it is it is it becomes complete really it is a yeah it is a yeah it is i mean it is same as us putting on a the headphones and whatever i mean even that minor thing i mean any any audio captured during that period is i is rubbish but there is no sort of system that is really built to d to be able to say when you are you are capturing that yeah yeah i understand okay so now there be would be some time wh what is we should be getting a time recording system right that so we are building this slowly i mean it is it is unfortunate i mean is is is taking time for the material and so on okay the but yeah there will be this okay what will that incorporate will it incorporate like an s m a and it will be one camera pointing very general but just for display purposes essentially yep one microphone and we are thinking to use lapel microphone you know this this thing lapel okay and so that potentially helpful hopefully helpful to to do recognition should be okay yeah and to slides through the projector okay okay so no no microphone arrays or anything like that i guess that is quite a that is a quite a bi big deal for setting up the recordings i guess wo let us say that in any case w well there are 2 reason no it it is it is quite a bit yeah problem to do that kind of thing 1st of all we are trying to do something that can be easily the the the idea is really it is something that you take you bring somewhere else and it works yeah so it must be as easy as possible yeah yep but in any case i mean the device we are doing has input channels so some way you can add as many input as we want as you want yep so we are dealing now with 3 but there are other input lines open okay yeah but probably we were the f you know the post the the thing is somewhere projector suppose there is like the the white board or whatever the presentation is over there the speaker is more probably is going to this way or that way so probably you you may not need a very big microphone either probably one or 2 yeah but let us pretend that it is not going to happen in any foreseeable future ye yeah yeah wh the i mean i am just thinking from practical perspectives you would you would have to the the ami recognition system that we have now is either for these microphones or for the microphone array there is no lapel system trained for instance so i mean that in itself it would i mean you would have some fun training some more speech recognition models although at that point we can use this but i mean i was mention the the lapel microphone just like this but if you tell me this that is very interesting because at this point we can use this kind of things yeah yeah yeah but i do not why why not so there will be other data their test data yeah that is and especially for this kind of problem i think it can be a much more useful kind of data because there is real presentations i mean is it is reality sure you know it is it is it is y n it it it it is exactly yeah it is what you should be using for this type of task it is more realistic and yeah probably it can help go in this direction of saying well let us see what happen between speech and slides i think yeah and every time we d we generate a new corpus and try to carry out new research we discover sort of areas that are too controlled you know yeah yeah yeah i mean the ami ones were a lot better in term of that than m 4 or whatever yeah but still i mean es especially when you get into higher level sort of interpretation it is yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 0 well i am i am just curious do the like the icsi meetings do they have anything other than the audio yeah do they have slides or anything along that i do not think they would no the they the the the no okay i am just thinking whether or not there an are any other sources i mean maybe chil data chil may be interesting for you but it is a l well yeah it may be interesting for your problem i think y yeah yeah cause it is i think it is going to be more like the tam type situation no no no yeah so yeah it is more like tam but yeah yep the the their collection is much like they have r t n s and all those thing people sitting and it is a lec it is a lecture a meeting collection okay that is cool yeah yeah that is cool and i is it through n n l d a or something i do not know but i mean given that it is coming from the same basis as ami i i expect there has to be some sort of relatively f liberal sort of distribution policy yeah yeah yeah it is a it is a european project anyway yeah yeah so i guess it must be available somewhere so so probably we can yeah chil may be interesting actually yeah you can look at it yeah the one thing about that and this is something that came up in the last nist evals was the fact that it is almost too uni modal you have just got one lecturer talking so once again you do not see the the complex sort of levels of interaction yeah i mean y there is no way of getting around that i mean you just have to think of a a task a challenge that is relevant to that type of recording yeah yeah which might you might use the same methods as what we have been pr talking about today but the actual sort of what you are trying to measure might need to be slightly slightly different i guess i do not yeah you know in terms of in terms of say measuring whether or not they are talking about the slides or off channel m yeah i mean you might find 98% of your data is directly referring to your slides in a t in a tam in the text but only we are measuring 13rd it is not that is is in tams at least in no i am talking now about the meeting ami meeting yeah but i am i am meaning if you move on to these corpora yeah how presentation of course on presentation it it should be 100% yeah so you might want to be doing something else basically yeah yeah yeah yeah of course no that is just something that in my opinion with the work that has been already done is something we can get pretty quickly yeah yep it is an interesting task it is more specific on meetings yeah certainly not for for presentation yep and it represent a nice task that can be measured that is clear and yeah and and at the s and at the same end of the day you are probably going to be using or learning about the same techniques that you will need for doing other things along these lines yeah yeah i in terms of actual recognition can of course help yeah so so it is it is but of course not going to be it is not going to be a kind of thesis about this okay well but no that does not make any sense it well it is it is to make a proposal basically for your yep i mean it is a 1st step s that in a sense if you want i mean that that is at least the way i see the that list i have made for my own thesis i mean you define that domain i mean which is large i mean which can be very general this n yep so interaction between speech and slides cool and then you see how all these things this 2 little works or the statistical independence and detecting when it is are 2 little works that some way fit in that very general framework okay shown from this point of view it n that things there are other things for example one that i really would like to do which is kind of fun so when you have a bullet list can i click on one of the bullet and get the piece of speech where the guy was talking about that yep the sp yeah because sometimes people just read sure sometimes people im improve is more so for example that what that is another thing that fits in that kind of framework sometimes it is a lot more yeah and that is interesting in terms of i mean 1st of all again is measurable in terms of browsing yeah in terms of retrieval in terms of indexing annotation meta data extraction yeah yeah that can be applied in many and we could do automatical speaker rating if there are good speakers or bad speakers depending if they just read well you would sure that would be you know that that is that is something you are maybe joking now that is that is a yeah at l at at least spot if they forget to talk about something and it will not let them continue on to the next slide until they have gone through all the points that is something that can be done for example that that they have and some way there are parameters that can be measured that tell you that following certain criteria there is one very easy for example yeah yeah i had the the the sp there are speaker that never look at the audience those are bad speakers in general yeah it is very wrong you have to look at the audience yeah this is one there is for example and this is something that eventually can be done if you have a certain number of words on your slides you need a certain amount of time to read them the speakers that take a time which is too close to that they are not good speaker because some way they are talking too fast they are talking fast yeah i had a problem i like find the answer for my own well that that was just through sheer weight of content though they are not yeah yeah yeah they are not giving you the time and there is a certain number of things that can be some way detected and measured that tell you whether the speaker is actually respecting some form of yeah w it is a bit of having difficult and i would not go that much in that direction b yeah i mean it is but you know you know maybe possible someday yeah so what about the figure things what happens if there is a figures coming on the slide so what do you want to do with that figure you know as in 56 you know number where where the graphemic yeah well i yeah on the s huh either stop it tables number yeah ah visual things well that is for example with we submitted a project with j jean marc to use that thing as meta data okay okay and basically one thing for example we are trying to do and and again this is something that can fit huh it will be not maybe but but if you get the project et cetera in any case it is something that jean marc and me we want to do based on the kind of graphic object you have so tables questions okay figures plots et cetera the side one for example it is a result okay try to get so that is again in terms of structuring browsing structure and retrieval okay when it is a result okay when it is an introduction okay yeah when it is although i remember discussing this like cause when neville was working on his his stuff which was just based on the slides okay if he he asked me all you know could i pre segment the slides for him yeah you know because you wanted to s you wanted to have the topic segmentation yes yes yes yes yes yes and i said well just look at the the headings yeah because anybody generally who writes the slides yeah usually in products and resources it is not really true it is not really it is not really true it is not okay it is true for me then okay yeah yeah it is not really true yeah that is 0 it is one of the most funny thing i mean you can see when you work in this thing each one of us has an idea and then it is not true at all i mean s some people actually are stick very carefully if the p if they put in the outline let us say title one title 2 then you will you find title one title 2 yep but many other people and i am one of those people for example are much more general so my outline is something like introduction and experiments the results conclusions okay yeah you do not find the same title in the slides okay okay it yeah it depends yeah it is it is really a different style of there are people that do not put for example outline that is a stylistic thing as much as anything yep we were for example in the corpus of m l m e so the one is on the demo yeah 50% of the presentation have no outline in the corpus of the tam 2004 tam presentation 25% of the presentation have no outline at all yeah which whether or not that is a good or a bad thing that is that is what yeah w it is it depends on the talk yeah presentation yeah and basically that is that is and again the outline is typical maybe in scientific presentation yeah well in that case that majority has other kind of presentation probably no yeah i mean it is it is an habit we have but you but again something we are taught at university from a very young age i mean unfortunately th n there is nothing true the structure yeah yeah sure it is all subjective nothing true is is everything is chance pretty much so that was on okay on possible work okay okay so what are you going to do between the data when you collect and this what do you want to do now by the time you get the data it is going to take another 2 months if i am right the whole capturing system when it is going to come so what is the next step well did trying to really determine the the subject of something for my proposal i mean yeah you have to submit it in like 2 months also again yeah aro around february or march yeah yeah to submit yeah so really okay it is one year right yeah yeah it is quite strictly imposed now yeah so to find something for that also with the th thinking maybe turning this work into publication the one about the for sure not maybe for sure for sure you you need it bad and also well that depends a little on on on you but try to finish with the measures and the call routing call routing where that is inte ye cause i was talking with that about that to herve since i was i will recycle this poster for i m 2 you know about about this and that could be cool to to finish it maybe fuse it with ian is work and do a journal paper he was suggesting i think we should yeah yeah after the after the hard drive crash we took the time to actually rebuild the the the system and actually train cause originally we sort of had the idea of 0 we will use a recognizer that has been trained on a large amount of telephone speech data and that should give us a better result this is yeah h 0 yeah i just as a contrast i trained one specifically on this data results were almost identical which says to me there is something wrong with the data rather than and it is nothing serious yeah it is simply that it has not been chunked it or or segmented in a way that is typical of speech resources yeah in terms of you can have like a 22nd utterance credit cards and then 20 seconds of silence coming after it yeah i see which in which when you f when you 1st think about it you just think 0 silence whatever nothing will happen but a lot of the normalization that we use i know yeah yeah i know i know i know yeah c m s c c v n so w we need a decent end point detection system running before we can we can we can do that yeah i see yeah and we are converging on having one now just in in sort of tandem with this development of this web based recognizer even if little bit of 0 this ye yeah but of course unfortunately all these things take time but i i think we should see a decent sort of improvement then yeah no no i think you yeah it is it is huge yeah not just in terms of no longer having recognition errors whenever silence appears cause you get that immediate benefit that you do not have any insertion errors but also it should actually affect the recognition on the speech segments as well and so essentially say well as there is this silence time which tend to be even more than than how it is it it it is non determinist th the so better to have a kind of silence detection so something that really takes this and they recognize only that that part yeah yeah this will improve the phoneme recognition rate that is the hard p 0 i might given the trouble we have had with this corpus i can not make any promises yeah that is what we expect to that is what it of of course of course of course and at that point even the call router that jean jean yves has made can improve its performance yeah that is the intention yep exa that is the intention there and it can be used after tool for the measure work so so you are so what you are saying is that you you noticed that when you tried other features and sure sure sure ye we trained the system just on this data like there were there were 6000 utterances that were not used for the call routing side of things that we got i think they th there were 13000 in the entire corpus 6 t half of them roughly we have thrown away so use that for acoustic training and the results from that were almost the same as what we got for the c t s model because and initially it was a s nuance trained on nuance no no no no no no y yeah it i but one can imagine a commercial system that that that s steven cox used from nuance probably had all these things or built in end point detection et cetera et cetera yeah so surely they should they should have had that actually so maybe like we had to do this end point detection and probably a little bit of final filtering and then i think you should be pretty much converging to the system yeah but the still the reason with the the they had like what are the systems we train on databases are they are chop neatly that there is not too much silence beginning not too much silence at the end sure sure then 0 yeah yeah yeah i know i know the problem they are they are j they they chopped so neatly for the it like custom made database but here it is not like that you know like huh yeah i see and there is also just things like tele receiver noise at the beginning and or at the end of the and i mean these these are things you can get rid of if it is a i see i see yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i see there are the several things i see the problem like one thing is like we can do this begin and end detection as we said or you and he can we can try to use france telecom is approach actually and that they they have this front end which which which can do a spectral yep and plus it can give you a voice activity detection okay this is f okay part f part from basis it can give okay so somethi we can just yeah we can just run it quickly and see we can just run some generic yeah and probably you will have to run it will give you the idea that is it okay like well i do not mind running it yeah i have got all the scripts set up no no no no not running i mean to say p probably he should run it or like we can ge help him to run it actually so because at some point he has to get into i am not not sure it is well i am not i am not sure i see the point actually i mean to say i i mean to say that it is okay yeah i am losi we have all the scripts but probably he should run it i mean to say i do not know yeah whatever i do not know thing th i do not know whether that a it is a run run run what exactly the all these experiments probably i do not know whether that is a for the the the call routing itself or the recognition the phoneme recognition the they are the scri because up to probably maybe we shall do it yeah for to make it faster we should ru it run maybe if we run f we ourself it it is very fast we might as well cause i mean we have up until now you have not been running any recognition on and neither did jean yves on that on that data yeah yeah no no yeah i have all jean yves is scripts and programs for performing the call routing i think starting from the phoneme sequences okay okay yeah yeah no but i mean to say that if you if you if you if you if you give him the scripts and ask him to run the 0 sure but i mean the scripts are so automated it is just a matter of sitting submitting a job to the cluster and no yeah but it is yeah i i know that i do not know how to use the cluster i do not i do not see the point of that i do not mind running it yeah that would it would be like half an hour is work in a day to run the recognition scripts i mean i i i i know you are saying artem should familiarize himself with the a s r systems or whatever yeah 0 yeah fine but i do not i d i do not think this is a point that is worth sort of worrying about at this stage anyway yeah i mean yeah if it is just running a script i do not know if it is well cause i am i am sort of assuming that that we are going to have so an end point detection regardless of this working on this nuance corpus yeah that huh no no no no i the end point system is different thing no so that is and we need it for ami plus other thing we need it for ami and so but the i am to all saying yeah we need it for the online demo for all these things yeah i i am but this is basically detecting speech and no non speech it is it is a lot more difficult than you would think it is n it no no no it is not speech non speech yeah it is this problem i hear every time on the speech meeting how do we detect speech and not speech it is it is it is yeah well it is speech and any and any other class of sound ah and that is the problem yeah or 0 okay it is any anything nonsense or else it beeped and is it is not just speech and silence it is speech and and okay and any other class yeah it is not silent it is you can say that is very yeah if it was just silence it would be easy but and in controlled places you can not just assume it is it is you know any energy below a certain threshold and this is what everybody sort of claimed the problem was solved with years ago but but who really can do when somebody will really be able to do that i mean detect the speech from non speech it will be a little revolution no in the well i mean this is once again a yeah sure but i mean this is once again a very constrained task again i mean it is it is it is you you are almost assured it is only going to be a single speaker on the microphone so i mean the the only sorts of noise you are going to have to deal with is is is hiss or impulsive i would say and it can be it can be anything yeah or or that would be a good start breathing yeah no anyway so we okay so we will finish this call routing stuff what do you say all thi this is okay with you right so we will k because i think it it it has not been even submitted outside also the work what jean yves did yet no no no no basically because it was not at at a level that could be anyway yeah not done that yet tried yeah he still yeah so the idea was good i think yeah with a better phoneme recognition rate definitely it could improve also the the call routing performance yeah yeah it was showing that you have not heard from him i take it either nope no but we can we can find okay well it would be nice to get the thesis i think there is a sort of just a research report sort of basis for this yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but we can some way find a guy but i mean this should should be have all details so it should be relatively easy to at least this is the last news i had and then i can try to get him back okay yeah apply some pressure yeah so yeah it it is pretty much good time also no and he c he can and when do you intend to start writing the proposal probably you should start i think s slow yeah well this is basically in my 3 main jobs proposal this little bit start thinking no no you you should not wait till the end that is what i mean to say n no it should be looking towards the start of next year basically ah yeah yeah yeah but yeah yes ah yeah sure because you but should not make it clearer before on the on the on what i i will write the is it so i mean you should because it and even a 1st submission using this work will make things clearer for me writing them down and f for it will help i think for that also okay yeah no going very pra pragmatic there is a submission deadline for example 31 december for conference on multi media and expo where i think these 2 little works on okay which is yeah it can go there yeah yeah so it can be see and it is nice to get some feedback on i mean that feedback will probably come after your proposal possibly no no no but i think it is it is good if he submits his pr proposal as a research report you put here submit it for the conference it is quite good for the proposal directly yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly it is as a proposal yeah because as far as i understand this work on the phoneme anyway still takes some development time in the sense that no yeah no i think we we may have to like it can have a it is it is kind of like maybe take like 2 or 3 days you know like to sit out and say one converge to one approach and then just do without that yeah okay n yeah sort out any bugs or whatever i see yeah and probably yeah so that is the thing we have to sort out the bug kind of thing and see how reliable is this end point detection for us yeah i i i would prefer to go back to the c t s models i think as well cause i think i think they did work a little bit better and yeah yeah yeah i think then we can go back to c t s actually anyway the good news is that there are results so yeah you are you have just to to decide yeah what what what what you want to work 1st and and and finalize yep i think you can really start finalizing yeah well i think 1st this submitted and this will help for the proposal yeah and since we cannot start immediately with the measures i think that is the best thing to do okay and yeah so that is this so you wanted to talk something more than that well we obstructed you with that you wanted to talk something different also well no no well for me it is i think we it is fine or maybe another meeting yeah it is okay hayes is another one is not it and then i say i do not remember 0 okay sorry i was like cause i saw you sli i saw you looking at your watch before and i like wow no i was just looking this going to have to s have this ami corpus linked in no time okay we are not out of time you know yeah and i think that will be exactly one hour and fill the tape yeah so the tape is ta tape is at the end the tape is 60 minutes yeah yeah it is happened it happened with my friend 0 okay ah so i was right like he was taking pictures pictures pictures and it was going 373840 even so i said there is some problem with yours your the way he put the roll inside ah yeah huh there is some problem it has got stuck somewhere it can never go to 4140 yeah i 3738 is fine not normally yeah it could go to 3738 yeah 4041 is but see he has already yeah we have been told do not listen yeah okay yeah okay fine" ]

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[ "i am going to okay we start waiting for people coming late i can say this because in this moment you cannot answer because you do not have the microphone so i can say whatever and you cannot reply okay i am on reply coming yeah it is okay i hate these things voila okay so we can maybe get a head start have you been talking to matthew about what you have been doing a little bit but i am not sure he knows everything so basically well 1st we try to explain why this nbest list is scoring from the slides to enhance the speech recognition on the meeting is data is not working so that is one thing and so what we did with alessandro is performing some statistical tests to see see whatever if the if the words the appearance of the words during the meeting is independent of the appearances of the different slides yeah so the in the case if it is dependent that would mean that certain words tend to appear during certain slides yeah which is that there is a correlation and then there will be a reason like for believing that this will work and the result was no but the question is is that result no because it is no or is it also just because there is not really enough data to be sure about anything in my opinion it is no because of the nature of the language i mean intuitively of course you tend to use more the words that are on the slide sure but the mass of the words actually use are words that are common just think that 50% of the words on every whatever corpus you take are stop words yeah articles etc so in terms of recognition 50% goes away yeah of the rest remaining 50% i mean are all words that appear 123 times yeah so in any case even if actually they tend to be related or statistically related to a single slide in any case in terms of recognition do not tell but all it is not going to very little so that is the kind of thing i mean that is a kind of measure the statistical independence is not on single words overall yeah yeah which basically means in terms of recognition that does not tell this is sort of a feeling that we had but had not shown i think i mean from an application point of view it might be interesting to make sure that your vocabulary contains all the words on the slides but from a research perspective it is not interesting you know even if actually i remember he has made some measure saying okay let us look at how many words i do not have in the dictionary and are in the slides there would be very few it was 2% well this is how the dictionary is calculated it is calculated such that if you do not have the word it does not affect to a great degree the word error rate exactly so in some sense intuitively it sounds very good but in practical terms in terms of recognition here we have to be clear if you want to improve the recognition that improves very slightly it is different if you want to have other tasks where the only words that actually play a role are those words in that case even the slight improvements you get at that point that can make the difference but does a recognition no well this is yeah and in some way the statistical independence i think it can be a good explanation to show why this happened even if it is counterintuitive but that is what happens just quickly rewind sorry about that yeah we were talking that we did some experiments to see if the word during meeting the words appear independently of the slides in the sense that if certain words tend to appear during certain slides or no and the answer is no and so we did a statistical test for that and i will add also that we did that on the word after filtering them from the removing the the stop words of course yeah yeah so just not going to make any difference because yeah with the stop words okay there would be a reason for independence because there is such a huge mass of them but even after removing them it remains independent and actually so when i was doing the rescuing experiments i was doing that one meeting that i selected as being like the best looking one it had the most slides and now i did the same on the other meetings which were available where well it is only 3 meetings because well there are 4 of them which are from the test set from the amu recognizer but only 3 of them have slides so it is total of 3 meetings and for the others the tendency like because you know i was when i was doing rescoring i was taking into account for one given slide also the neighboring slides and as i was in increasing the number of slides which were affecting the the utterance i was rescoring the performance was improving slides slightly very very little but it is going very fast for me actually that is the thing actually it is very fast so the 1st point the 1st thing you told me is that you took the slides and you was and you had a big dictionary and you were seeing what words are there inside the slide right what the way 1st statement i could not understand when you said the the the 1st thing we were talking about takes the experiment to see the if it is dependent or yeah so yeah so yeah so could you please tell me little bit more in how we did it yeah so we use the pearson key square no no do not go there i want the no i want to understand what did you mean by the the thing like saying that i took a dictionary and then a word from the slide and what you are looking for i could not understand clearly there it was to to see if certain words have tendency to appear during if they are more likely to appear during certain slides okay but how do you what certain words like how do you expect a certain words be careful it is not exactly like this because for sure there are words that tend to be so the point is you want to verify whether you can improve the recognition rate by using as an information the words that are contained in the slide so basically the idea is that in the moment you are in the slide way your language change accordingly to the slide so the fact of having that information someone can help you to improve the recognition exactly but actually it is not what happens and this does not happen for many reasons 1st for example 50% of the words in any kind of text are stop words so everywhere and the reminding appear so little that in the case cannot really improve that much most of the words we use actually whatever we talk about are common words words so how to verify this i mean this is something that has been measured etc but still is a bit qualitative to have a quantitative measure we simply did a measure of statistical independence between the words in general so not some words the words in general otherwise you can see that if a words appear once basically it is 100% related to one slide but you have to if you want to consider in terms of recognition performance you have to make it overall what is important is not the word that appear once it appears in almost if it appears in all the slides it says a 100% correlation for me if there is one word that appear once all over the meeting it appears in correspondence of one slide then of course it seems to be very related but very few words i would like that they represent a very little part of the word mass so we simply used a very old test test statistical tests that basically measure the hypothesis that some way the probability of having one word in correspondence of a certain slide is simply the product of the probability of the word for the probability of the stairs that is it so that is what we did but it is in general the language and not certain words certain words because certain words for sure have a strong dependence on the slides but there are few yeah okay fine now i am okay i am into the loop and the answer to that was no and so when extending those experiments to the other meetings when while i was observing an improvement on the 1st meeting i was using so i was observing an improvement as i was increasing like the context yeah but the improvement is on the asr or on the recognition yeah okay so there was the improvement was also increasing as i was increasing the context okay well on the other meetings it is it is it is it is it is really fluctuating and it it it looks more like well what is the word for that statistical fluctuation okay so i mean it is probably very dependent on the speaker as well some people have a habit of just reading what they have got in their slides and some people interpolate extrapolate or quite purposefully talk about different things so that they are sort of got multi modality of you know but so i mean i guess that is not a surprising result then it is not in terms of me for example it was not in the sense that after working a little bit on language you realize that this kind of thing do not help simply because most of the words have nothing to do specifically with the subject we use most of the words we use that is strange but are simply necessary to build a sentence there are very few content words but it is true that intuitively as we are driven in our attention i mean in our understanding we are pretty much driven by attention that we tend to spot yeah sure we go straight to the semantics exactly and in some sense intuitively it seems that it can help i mean this is not the 1st attempt to do things like this and it never works actually in terms of recognition for other tasks maybe it can be it can be okay helpful so you mean so you mean to say that like one case you were saying that if you increase the context and all those things it helps in your ais improvement but it does not it is more subjective i think this whole well i mean it just comes down to the mere fact that word error rate is just take the words how many of them did you get right yeah take plus or -2 or 3 or 5 or 10 words does not really make any difference yeah so yeah even if those words at the end of the day would be quite important in any sort of search of the transcript but at the end of the day why would not you just use the slides to search the transcript yeah if you have the slides then yeah so that is why if we look on the relationship that exists between the speech and the slides the task of improving their recognition the overall speech recognition using the slides seems to be not very good you cannot expect much from it so i mean have you been doing other things then have you been thinking about what you would like to do in place of this or leading on from this given what you have learned well for now the most effort was on showing why it is it will not work especially those experiments and these statistical tests but we were thinking for example of a task like trying to see if see if a a speaker is talking i mean if the speech is actually correlated with the slides which happened during the not correlated but if the be careful correlate is a dangerous one it seems to be the opposites before well if the associated if the speaker is actually talking about what is talking about what is in the slides or not okay we are roughly basically one thing it can be done and here on the contrary for example the few words that are i may say recognize more yeah can really make the difference it is in the case if you want to see if i mean what you have seen in the meeting in that okay the representation then yeah still the slide is there but actually the people talk about other things or not really other things but the slide is no longer a support for the discussion there are a moment that actually this is the support because the people describe etc and there are a moment where it is not it is just a background thing and we are afterestimated very quickly but it was 13rd of the time at least in the meeting we have seen the slide were just there i mean but they were no longer used as a support it was a discussion between people so in that case the presence or the absence and especially the frequency with which you observe the words that are on the slides can be an excellent clue a clear indication whether actually does the support of the discussion meeting action sort of i guess it can be this it can be interpreted as a kind of focus of interest it can be simply interpreted in the sense of saying okay i mean you have this channel open there to where have to take it into account or not also in terms of action yeah when you see that the discussion is completely disconnected with respect to this some way it means that it is happening something different than before so i mean it is a kind of feature that in my opinion can be easily detected and that can be interesting to do relatively easy to do and in that case for example the few words that you get more can make the difference so it is a double way to show how it is a way depending on the task so you okay so maybe like it can be something like in a meeting it can be like an unusual scenario for you in a presentation with a slide and the unusual scenario is that you are not using the slide at all yeah or for example what happened for example in one of the meetings is that people were summarizing the results of the previous meeting in the beginning so the meeting started with a summary of what happened the previous time and this was not related to what was what was what are the yeah okay so i mean you could begin with seeing the the simple task of just determining whether or not the speech is related to the slide content which is sort of building upon what you know dong and others have worked on in terms of you know is it discussion monolog from the original m 4 data collection are you also considering that you could actually look at the relationship between meetings for instance what do you mean well okay well i mean if these similar sort of phrases or words were discussed in this meeting and were also discussed in the previous meeting then you sort of have a link between meetings for instance yes some way well there are i do not know i do not know how this you have to check the statistics i mean because obviously you have got to think towards what you know this one occupy you know will not occupy you for 3 years or whatever just on this i guess i have to look at all the future yeah no this is we are just talking about a very short term if you want things just to use the things i mean all the world that he has done i think which is a huge work recycle and the data we have then for a thesis of course it must be much better but of course there is a way to different kinds of works some of them you can do it on a single meeting so this kind of feature extraction because basically that is what it is saying yes now this channel is good now is background now is foreground etc you can put it in that way this you do it on a single meeting and then there are corpus based and i see it works so yeah that is one possibility for example finding the connection between different meetings then i do not know i mean at that point it becomes pretty much crucial the kind of data you have yeah in the sense that for the way we have collected the data some way i do not know if it can be at the same time too easy in the sense that some way you have little groups of meetings extremely correlated sure so i mean it makes it easier i mean i do not know how much significant can be at that level yeah i mean it is and because we do not have all the data collected or annotated yet it is very difficult to know in a sense if you want this kind of works become interesting when the corpus is really big yeah when you consider each meeting as a single item so it is interesting when you have 10s 100s 1000s of meetings which is not the case but i mean you can do other work if you consider in terms of speaker dance or in terms of slides and this immediately multiple or as you say back channel versus yeah yeah yeah because i think that is quite interesting i mean because there is an awful lot of speech activity which is yeah so it is can be one more feature that helps in but it is very short term i mean just you just a few few few times we talked together and it was just i mean very quick thing you can have like this so i mean as far as that you have got everything you need to do that i presume you do not need any extra stuff from us in the immediate future i mean that is good but for the other thing you know the alternative measures or maybe we should finish with this 1st yeah i would not get too distracted i guess if you have got 2 tracks i would like to yeah this this would be a another subject i would like to discuss but yeah i gone yeah it is no problem but basically just know if we finish discussing this okay so well so ultimately now the next step what is that i want like were kind of a so 1st you said that okay now you did this this correlation studies and you show that there is a very less correlation in fact no correlation kind of thing and so so what next and on top of it what you are going to build is the question now but i think it has sense in my opinion what are 2 things this statistical test it can be we have made an experiment we get a result somewhat counterintuitive we give an explanation yeah and that is it i mean that is something that some way closes here so it gives you the kind of answer you get is that okay to go in that direction maybe it is not the best thing maybe to improve the recognition that way is not something you can expect so it gives you the possibility to decide to go in a different direction that can be more on this yeah so i mean to the different direction and that is what i mean to say what you would like to take from there so it is not clearly defined yet it is not defined yet okay but something using this relationship between the slides and other even other textual support and the speech but what kind of problem we need the definition of some kind of problem right problem right and the question is also are there other sort of more sensible ways of doing it for instance gaze tracking i mean if people are looking at the slides well i think the advantage eventually with this kind of things is that are much easier gaze tracking is still yeah sure and it has specific to the environment and all that sort of thing is a difficult thing i mean it requires cameras with pretty good quality etc no but i think his question is more general yeah and i say so based on this work do you figure out a direction if i get correctly the direction yeah that is the thing what is the next direction it should not happen that you are doing so many things and ultimately it does not go into a thesis exactly that should not be the problem the thesis should be in one direction one problem one domain yeah not a collection of little things completely unrelated it does not make sense it may be good as a cv for you but then as a thesis you will have problems defending it and all those things so what is that what would be the next possible direction you want to take well this is the question i am working on but i mean for instance it should be linked to the other stuff that you have been doing on call routing for instance and you know error error measures yes i mean i think i mean i think it is possible to draw some sort of relationship between the 2 as we were saying i mean maybe if you you do not measure things in terms of word error rate maybe this sort of information does actually mean something given that 50% of the words are not actually interesting so i mean yeah that could be interesting to try to merge those 2 things but still does not solve the problem yeah i solve the problem but what is it yeah sure sure what i what you are going to do for your thesis i mean as i was said i mean basically if you have to explain in 4 lines yeah exactly what will be the topic of my thesis the subject of my thesis and it is something that is not just saying i am going to do this this and that because this you actually do not know but yeah in a very broad sense and what you are going to investigate see that is going to tell something like the thing is that see you can totally go into the text domain and be there you know it can be it is no problem but as long as it is okay but if you want to do with like something with the speech and all those things together then it is a different scenario you may not want to work on all the problems someone may work on some other problem but then you make use of that to extend your work and something and as i also it depends like also i think if boss is interested in working in both speak and text if i understand very well that part is also there sure are they are interested in that in that or not the boss like heavy like says it is like you should like work on both sides you know the text and the speech aspect of it so then one better thing i suggested him and he is thinking about and he is exactly this there are all these scenarios that can be meeting that can be presentation where you have a relationship between speech between things that are said and some textual documents so why not try to study this relationship to improve this relationship to use this relationship for whatever it is indexing or annotation or whatever metadata extraction and if you want for example this little work about seeing when the slide channel is background and foreground is not an beginning of this kind of thing so a relationship between 2 channels that provide some kind of information i think it is maybe an interesting test scenario and we know that you are sort of basing something around speech and text i think there needs to be one sort of extra higher goal above that so that you can motivate future research sure sure sure sure one thing interesting is what we came up in the discussion also was telling that detecting such scenarios where there is no relation with it the slide and the person talking that may be one good starting point for you actually and then at that point you detect something like that and then you show something like what you were saying that if it is out of discussion the words are no way are going to help your recognition anyway asr but if it is more on the the slide information is not going to help you but if it is related to what he is giving a presentation on the slide then you show the asr means if you detect this event then you can show that how where you can really help or not help because you say there is no correlation now but then here it comes at some point there might be a correlation there do not know be careful for the recognition in general there is no correlation in the same even if you are talking about what is on the slide most of the words you use most of the words you use are not really correlated to that they are simply words and consider also that we all speak english here and a part of native english speakers we have a very limited vocabulary in general so we tend to use all the same words but on average you know linguistic research shows that on average the people use 500 words that is what we have a disposition yeah every english is especially low yeah we say everything we do and probably we not an active english speaker we use even less so that gives you an idea of why basically in terms of recognition it does not really help because you always use anyway the same words and the few occurrences of words that are there in terms of recognition make one so maybe it is not enough to justify an effort to improve the recognition then you can change of task and use a task the task we were mentioning about the back channel or program channel in that case the only words that really are important are those words that appear on both slides at that point i mean a little improvement of that it becomes a big improvement i mean maybe in terms of recognition is 05% but in terms of that task is maybe 20% okay another thing you have to remember is these models have been tuned to include ami data so i mean perhaps if you had slides and presentations to do with something that was off topic you did not have you had not seen any prior data then you might see a bigger contribution as well but i mean essentially you have actually sort of included the information from the slides in the language model that is another interesting point i mean you are using data that are fake in any case there are simulation no real data and especially the slides i think i have seen the slides i mean they are pretty much artificial okay pre prepared exactly most of the time you have the title to do the ami data was that like that only most of the time you know the head what are the 3 slides you are going to present everyone is presenting the same set of slides yeah i mean everything is pretty much artificial that is what i mean so you mention for example this fact that sometimes speakers tend to read this is especially true when you have ballot list sometimes people really go through it did not happen in the data simply because it was not the same people prepare exactly okay so for example it will be possible in the case because everything infrastructure is ready and now we are going to collect the time presentation there maybe we can see what about mlmi the one we collected last year the audio quality is very bad right yeah they did not have one single channel or at least a closed channel collection no you know that was collected a little bit like this without too much care it was a personal effort of mail that decided to do it it was very good it was good it was very good but basically it was made without any specific you know without thinking we want to recognize just to have them so especially the audio channel is absolutely so they are still using that desktop microphone or whatever there yeah they had like you know they had the setup with the microphones so someone there was one microphone shared between every 2 people but they had deals with people forgetting to turn the microphone on forgetting to turn it off it was meant i think they chose that lecture theater possibly with the idea that it would be good for collecting data i mean i am sure they could have probably had university of edinburgh hosted or whatever but i think the you know the hci part of it quite work out to how they planned okay that is one of the reason for example why would mark we point pretty much on slides as a mean of indexing because at that point there is no interaction between humans and capture because whenever you have microphones that you have to move it becomes completely i mean the same as us putting on the headphones and whatever i mean even that minor thing any audio captured during that period is rubbish but there is no sort of system that is really built to be able to say when you are okay so now there we sometimes move this we should be getting a damn recording system right we are building this slowly and it is it is unfortunate and it is is taking time for the material and so but yeah there will be this thing okay what will that incorporate will they incorporate like an sma and a it will be one camera pointing very general but just for display purposes essentially one microphone and we are thinking to use a level microphone you know this radio thing and so that potentially helpful hopefully helpful to the recognition and slides through the projector okay so no microphone arrays or anything like that i guess that is quite a big deal for setting up the requirements deal for setting up the recording let us say that in any case it is a problem to do that water tourism 1st of all we are trying to do something that can be easily the idea is really it is something that you take you bring somewhere else and it works so it must be as easy as possible but in any case i mean the device we are doing has input channels so you can add as many inputs as you want so we are dealing now with 3 but there are other input lines open yeah but probably since the you know the post the thing is somewhere over project suppose there is the whiteboard or whatever the presentation is over there the speaker is more probably going to this way or that way so probably you may not need a very big microphone area probably one or 2 yeah let us pretend it is not going to happen in any foreseeable future yeah i mean i am just thinking from practical perspectives you would you would you would have to the ame recognition system that we have now is either for these microphones or for the microphone array there is no lapel system trained for instance i mean that in itself would i mean you would have some fun training some more speech recognition models at that point we can use this i mean i was mentioning the lepple microphone just like this but if you tell me this that is very interesting because at this point we can use this kind of things of things why not so there will be other data other test data and especially for this kind of problem i think it can be a much more useful because there is real presentations sure it is reality it is what you should be using for this type of task exactly it is more realistic and probably it can help go in this direction of saying well let us see what happened between speech and slides and every time we generate a new corpus and try to carry out new research we discover sort of areas that are too controlled i mean the ame ones are a lot better in terms of that than m 4 or whatever but still i mean especially when you get into higher level sort of interpretation it is yeah yeah yeah 0 well i am just curious do they like the ixie meetings do they have anything other than the audio do they have slides or anything along that i do not think they would okay i am just thinking whether or not there are any other sources i mean maybe chill chill may be interesting for you but it is well yeah it may be interesting for your problem i think yeah because it is i think it is going to be more like the tam type situation so yeah it is more like them but yeah yeah their collection is much like they have an audience and all those things people sitting okay that is cool it is a lecture meeting collection are they going to release it through lda or something i do not know but i mean given that it is coming from the same basis as ami i expect there has to be some sort of relatively liberal sort of distribution policy it is a european project anyway so probably yeah it should be interesting actually yeah the one thing about that and this is something that came up in the last nist evals was the fact that it is almost too unimodal you have just got one lecturer talking so once again you do not see the complex sort of levels of interaction i mean there is no way of getting around it i mean you just have to think of a task a challenge that is relevant to that type of recording which you might use the same methods as what we have been talking about today but the actual sort of what you are trying to measure might need to be slightly different i guess you know in terms of say measuring whether or not they are talking about the slides or off channel i mean you might find 98% of your data is directly referring to your slides in a tam but now we were measuring 13rd it is not that is in terms at least in no i am talking now about the yeah but i am meaning if you move on to the 0 presentation of course in presentation it should be 100% so you might want to be doing something else basically of course no that is just something that in my opinion with the work has been already done is something we can get pretty quickly it is an interesting task it is more specific on meetings certainly not for presentation and it represents a nice task that can be measured that is clear and at the end of the day you are probably going to be using or learning about the same techniques that you will need for doing other things in terms of action recognition can of course help so it is but of course it is not going to be it is not going to be a kind of thesis about this it does not make any sense it is to make a proposal basically for you in a sense if you want i mean that is at least the way i see at least i have made for my own thesis i mean you define that domain i mean which is large i mean which can be very general so interaction between speech translides cool and then you see how all these things these 2 little works so the statistical independence and detecting when it is are 2 little works that some way fits in that very general framework okay from this point of view there are other things for example one that i really would like to do which is kind of fun so when you have a ballot list can i click on one of the ballot and get the piece of speech where the guy was talking about that sometimes people just read sometimes people improve it is more for example that is another thing that fits in that kind of framework and that is interesting in terms of 1st of all again is measurable in terms of browsing in terms of retrieval in terms of index in annotation metadata extraction we could do automatic speaker rating if they are good speakers or bad speakers depending if they just read it well that is something you are maybe joking now that is something that can be done for example a bleas spot if they forget to talk about something and it will not let them continue on to the next slide until they go to the roll of points and so why there are parameters that can be measured that tell you that following certain criteria there is one very easy for example there are speakers that never look at the audience those are bad speakers in general it is very wrong you have to look at the audience this is one there is for example and there is something that eventually can be done if you have a certain number of words on your slides you need a certain amount of time to read them the speakers that take a time which is too close to that they are are not good speaker because some way they are talking fast yeah they have a problem i like 5 years till for my own they are not well that was just through a sheer weight of content they are not giving you the time and there is a certain number of things that can be some way detected and measured that tell you whether the speaker is actually respecting some form of something like it is a bit i mean difficult and i will not go that much in that direction but you know it is possible some day so what about the figure things what happens if there is the figures coming on the slide so what do you want to do with that figure on the 56 the table number yeah well i visual things well that is for example we submitted a project with jamarck to use that thing as metadata okay and basically one thing for example we are trying to do do and again this is something that can fit and it will be not after maybe but if you get the project etc in any case it is something that you mark and me we want to do based on the kind of graphic object you have so tables questions figures plots etc the side one for example it is a result try to get so that is again in terms of structuring browse and structure and retrieval okay when it is a result when it is an introduction okay yeah when it is a although i remember discussing this like because when neville was working on his stuff which was just based on the slides he asked me i will you know could i pre segment the slides for him you know because you wanted to have the topic segmentation and i said well just look at the headings the headings because anybody generally who writes a introduction reserves it is not really true it is true for me then okay yeah it is not really true yeah that is one of the most funny thing i mean you can see when you work in this thing each one of us has an idea and then it is not true at all i mean some people actually are stick very careful if they put in the outline let us say title one title 2 then you find title one title 2 but many other people and i am one of those people for example are much more general so my outline is something like introduction yeah and experiments and results conclusions and you do not find the same title in the slides okay okay it is really a different style it is a stylistic thing there are people that do not put for example outline we were for example in the corpus of mlme so the one is on the demo yeah 50% of the presentation have not no outline in the corpus of the tam 2004 tam presentation 25% of the presentation have no outline at all which whether or not that is a good or a bad thing it depends on the talk yeah well it is and basically that is and again the outline is typical maybe in scientific presentation but in that case the majority has other kind of presentation probably no i mean it is an habit we have but something we are taught at university from a very young age there is nothing true yeah sure it is all subjective not in true is everything is changed pretty much so yeah that was some okay so what are you going to do between the data when you collect and this what do you want to do now by the time you get the data it is going to take another 2 months if i am read the whole capturing system and it is going to come so what is the next step well trying to really determine the subject something for my proposal i mean yeah you have to submit it in like 2 months also again yeah around february or march yeah yeah it is one year right yeah yeah it is quite strictly imposed now so find something for that also we are there thinking maybe turning this work into publication the one about the not maybe for sure you did it bad and also well well that depends a little on you but try to finish with the measures and the color routing because i was talking with that about that to erv since i would recycle this poster for im 2 you know about this and that could be cool to finish it maybe fuse it with ian is work and do a journal paper he was suggesting after the hard drive crash we took the time to actually read rebuild the system and actually train because originally we sort of had the idea of we will use a recogniser that has been trained on a large amount of telephone speech data and that should give us a better result just as a contrast i trained one specifically on this data results are almost identical which says to me there is something wrong with the data rather than and it is nothing serious it is simply that it has not been chunked or segmented in a way that is typical of speech resources in terms of you can have like a 22nd utterance credit cards and then 20 seconds of silence coming after i see which in which when you when you 1st think about it you just think 0 silence whatever and nothing will happen but a lot of the normalization techniques that we use yeah yeah cms cvn so we need a decent endpoint detection system running before we can we can i see and do that yeah and we are converging on having one now just in sort of tandem with this development of this web based recogniser but of course unfortunately all these things take time but i think we should see a decent sort of improvement not just in terms of no longer having recognition errors whenever silence appears because you get that immediate benefit that you do not have any insertion errors but also it should actually affect the recognition mission on the space segments as well so essentially you say well as there is this silence time which tend to be even more than it is not really so better to have a kind of silence detection or something that really takes this and then recognize only that part this will improve the phoneme recognition right yeah that is what we expect to given the trouble we have had with this corpus i can not make any promises and at that point even the call router that jean jewa is jaiva is maid can improve its performance yeah that is the intention and it can be used after a tool for the measure work so what you are saying is that you noticed that when you tried other features and we trained a system just on this data like there were 6000 utterances that were not used for the core adding side of things i think there were 13000 in the entire corpus 6 6 half of them roughly were thrown away so you used that for acoustic training and the results from that were almost the same as what we got for the cts and initially it was a nuance a train on nuance no no no no but one can imagine a commercial system that stephen cox used from nuance probably had all these things built in endpoint detection et cetera et cetera so they should have had that actually so maybe we have to do this endpoint detection and probably a little bit of painer filtering and then i think you should be pretty much converging to the system but the reason with this is that like what are systems we train on databases are they are chopped neatly that there is not too much silence beginning no too much stuff sure sure they are chopped so neatly for the it is like custom made database but here it is not like that i see i see there is also just things like receiver noise noise at the beginning and or at the end of the and i mean these are things you can get rid of there are several things like one thing is like we can do this beginning and end detection as we said or you and we can try to use france telecom is approach actually and that they have this front end which can do a specter subtraction and plus it can give you a voice activity detection okay this is part time basis okay it can give so we can just run so we can just run it quickly and see and probably you will have to run it we will give you the idea is it okay like well i do not mind running it i have got all the scripts not running i mean to say probably he should run it or like we can help him to run it actually because at some point he has to get into i mean just not sure i see the point actually i mean to say that it is okay we have all the scripts but probably he should run it i mean to say i do not know yeah whatever i do not know think right exactly there all these experiments i do not know whether that is all the the the color oaching itself or the recognition or the phoneme recognition or probably maybe we shall do it for to make it faster we should run maybe if we run we ourselves it is very fast we might as well because i mean we have up until now you have not been running any recognition and neither did jean eve on that on that data yeah i have all jean ives scripts and programs for performing their call routing and i think starting from the for nim sequences no but i mean to say that if he if he if he if if he if he give him the script and ask him to run 0 sure but i mean the scripts are so automated it is just a matter of sitting submitting a job to the cluster no yeah i do not know i do not know i do not think the point of that i do not mind running it it would be like half an hour is work in a day to run the recognition scripts i mean i know what you are saying artem should familiarize himself with the asr systems or whatever fine but i do not i do not think this is a point that is worth sort of worrying about at this stage anyway i mean yeah if it is just running as great because i am sort of i am assuming that we are going to have an endpoint detection system regardless of this working on this nuance corpus the endpoint system is different thing no that we need it for ami we need it for ami we need it for the online demo for all these things but this is basically detecting speech and non speech it is a lot more difficult than you would think it is this problem i hear every time on the speech meeting how do we detect speech and not speech well it is speech and any other class of sound that is the problem or anything nonsense other than speech it is not just speech and silence it is speech and and any other class it is not easy if it was just silence it would be easy and in controlled cases you can just assume it is any energy below a certain threshold and this is what everybody sort of claimed the problem was solved with years ago but who really can do when somebody will really be able to to do that i mean detect well i mean this is once again speech from the speech it will be a little revolution now in the yeah sure but i mean this is once again a very constrained task again i mean it is you are almost assured it is only going to be a single speaker on the microphone so i mean the only sorts of noise you are going to have to deal with is it can be or impulsive i would say or that would be a good start yeah now anyway so we okay so we will finish this call routing what do you say this is okay with you right so we because i think it has not been even submitted outside also the work what joined you did yet no no no no basically we are not done that yet because it was not at a level that could be in any way submitted and the idea i think yeah with a better for name recognition right definitely it could improve also the yeah it was showing that you have not heard from him i take it either no no okay well it would be nice to get the thesis i think there is a sort of just a research report sort of basis for this yeah yeah yeah yeah but we can some way find a guy i mean it should be at multi tell so it should be relatively easy to at least this is the last news i had and then we can try to get him back plus pressure yeah so yeah it is pretty much good time also you know and the he can and when do you intend to start writing the proposal probably should start i think yeah well this is basically 3 main jobs proposal no no you should not wait till the end that is what i mean is there i yeah looking towards the start of next year i yeah sure but so i mean you should because make it clear before and on the on the on what i will write and even a 1st submission using this work will make things clearer for me writing them down and it will help i think for that also no going very pragmatic there is a submission deadline for example 31 december for conference on multimedia and dexpo where i think this 2 little works on yeah it can go there and it is nice to get some feedback on i mean that feedback will probably come after your proposal or possible i think it is good if you submitted for a proposal as a research report you put it here submitted for the conference it is quite good for the proposal itself yeah yeah yeah exactly it is a proposal because as far as i understand this work on the phoneme anyway still takes some development time in the sense that no i think we may have to like it is kind of like it is kind of like maybe take like a 2 or 3 days you know like to sit it out and say one converse to one approach and then just do it out so that any bugs or whatever yeah and probably yeah so that is the thing we had to sort of the bug kind of thing and see how reliable is this endpoint detection for us i would prefer to go back to the cts models i think as well yeah i think then we can go back to cts i think they did work a little bit better anyway to use that there are results you are just to decide yeah what what what what what what what you want to work 1st and finalize i think you can really yeah well i think 1st this submitted yeah and this will help for a proposal and since we cannot start immediately with the measures i think that is the best thing to do okay and so you wanted to talk something more than that well we have talked you with that you wanted to talk something different also well no no for me or maybe another meeting there is another one i said no no i say another so you are looking at a watch before i was like wow i was just looking just okay we are not out of time you know zamee corpus like did no time yeah and i think that will be exactly one hour and the tape is 60 minutes yes yeah it happened with my friend like he was taking pictures pictures pictures and it was going 37 38 40 even and the real never got over so i said there is some problem with yours the way you put the roll inside there is some problem it has got struck somewhere it can never go to 41 42 not normally yeah you go to 37 38 38 is fine you know 40 41 is that is he he has already told us okay okay fine so you are picking pictures and pictures i am sure you are going to get maybe 5 pictures out of this if you get 5 you feel lucky so next week i am 2 and me and john we have to pick it out there we have to start working stuff we have this car routing cell let us get a lot of christian now no yeah now i think of it i think that is fine i mean the point of the post is just to provide information for people that would be interested and start discussion right i think we have a lot of people there well i am" ]

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[ "okay welcome to our 2nd meeting this is the functional design meeting and i hope you all had a good individual working time okay let us get started okay here is the agenda for the meeting after the opening i am going to fulfill the role of secretary take the meeting minutes and we are going to have 3 presentations one from each of you then we are going to discuss some new project requirements going to come to a decision on the functions of the remote control and then we are going to close up the meeting and we are going to do this all in about 40 minutes okay 1st i want to discuss the goals of this meeting 1st we need to determine the user requirements and the question that we can ask ourselves is what needs and desires are to be fulfilled by this remote control and then we are going to determine the technical functions what is the effect of the apparatus what actually is it supposed to do what do people pick up the remote and use it for and then lastly we are going to determine its working design how exactly will it perform its functions that is the whole technical side of kay i will just give you a minute cause it looks like you are making some notes kay 0 well let us go ahead and back previous so what i want to do right now is hear from all 3 of you on your research that you just did who would like to start us off i do not mind going 1st kay okay do you have a powerpoint or no yeah it is in the should be in the m project okay do you want us to do our powerpoints now or you know you could you could do it yourself actually 0 did you send it save it in the project documents put it in project documents yeah okay this one sure okay yeah okay okay great well the function of a remote control as what we have been informed is basically to send messages to the television set for example switch it on switch it off go to this channel go to channel 9 turn the volume up etcetera some of the considerations is just for example the what it needs to include it is the numbers you know 0 to 9 so you can move to a channel the power button on slash off the channel going up and down volume going up and down and then mute a mute function and then functions for v h s d v d for example play rewind fast forward stop pause enter and enter would be for like you know the menus and then other menus for d v as well as t v whether that means like we can go and decide the brightness of the screen things like that all the more complicated functions of menus and we can decide if that is what we want if we want to include that on the remote okay if that is something that would stay on the t v itself for example okay these are 2 examples and you can see on the left it has got a lot more buttons and i do not know if you can read it but it says step go to freeze slow repeat program mute and so those are some of the buttons and so it gives you an idea of s one example and then on the right it is a lot more simpler it has got volume it has got the play the like circle set which is play rewind but it is also what is fast forward is also like next on a menu so you have functions that are d duplicating right and you have a mute button and then the numbers and the eject and the power button so that gives you 2 different kinds a more complex and more simple version okay ready and then lastly it is just the questions that we want to consider like what functions do we want it to include and how simple complex it should be and what functions it needs to complete what are needed to complete insulation process cause you know that is something that also has to be considered and it is going to be hopefully a one time thing when you set it up it should be set to go but we have to include the functions that can allow it to set up i in the 1st place so that is it alright very good presentation thank you you speak with such authority on the matter okay left who would like to follow that one up now that we have discussed okay i can go do you want me to run it or you want to okay yeah you should run it functional requirements yes kay alright now we have courtney with the functional requirements yes okay so we tested a 100 subjects in our lab and we just we watched them and we also made them fill out a questionnaire and we found that the users are not typically happy with current remote controls 75% think they are ugly 80% want they have are willing to spend more which is good news for us if we make it look fancier and basically w we just need something that really i mean there is some other points up there but they it needs to be snazzy and it but yet simple so that is really what we need to do wait and we need we need it to be simple yet it needs to be high tech looking so and that meaning what like they like i guess use the buttons a lot okay yeah i do not know it is from my research right okay what do you m 0 i am sorry my team was not very clear only use 10% of the buttons that is okay what do you mean by the current remote controls do not match well with the operating behavior of the user like they have to press the buttons i i think it is like the engineering versus user okay whereas like the engineering she showed that the engineering ones are more complex and users do not really need all of the buttons that are contained on there 0 right the buttons okay because they only use 10% of the buttons really yeah okay we only use 10% of our brains good point it works it is a necessary evil yeah ready for the next slide and so people say that they typically lose it as you yourself know because you probably lose your remote control all the time much like any small appliance like a cellphone and they we need something simple because most people lost well 34% say that it is just too much time to learn how to use a new one and we do not want to go we do not want to vary too far from the normal standard remote s but i mean they do need to be able to identify it and r s i i am not very sure what that is it is okay it is very important yes it is important for the remote control world wait is that like your ergonomics like your hand movements or something sh could be yeah possibly do we really need t to provide more information on what r s i is like yeah that is what my web site said i 0 channel volume power do not know i think that is a pretty good guess though yeah i would assume so i think we are supposed to know it as remote control experts it is like if you are holding it yeah but also s so the channel it is okay the volume and the power buttons are the most important on our company website you can find like the specific statistics concerning to how much each button is used but those are the definitely the top ones okay next slide yes and so personally i think that we need a modern eye catching design but it it really needs to be simple so saying from y your slide your presentation the engineering versus the user specified remotes i think that we should go with something that is more user friendly user friendly where the engineering ones the boxes tend to make it look more complicated than it really is the functionality of the product really needs to be considered as to like what type of buttons do we really need on it and it needs to be open to a wide range of consumers so even though we need a small number of buttons we also need to take in like are most people going to be using it for a d v d player a tivo what what exactly are we using it for as well as the age range so we need a hip but not a corny marketing scheme for promoting our product and also we found our team found that speech recognition is it is like an up and coming thing they really consumers are really interested in it and since our findings found that people are willing to pay more money for a remote for it to be more high class we could consider it and so just to just to clarify by speech recognition you mean they would say channel 5 and the thing would go to channel 5 i guess so yeah okay to just say where are you and thing beeps you know 0 that would be lovely yeah i guess we can interpret it like we can just try out different types of speech recognition within our remote program yeah did not they did not our rival companies manufacture a remote that you would press the button on the t v and it would the remote would beep so if you have lost it it is kinda like what the remote phone used to do 0 yeah that is true you know like go to the base we could definitely include that if we wanted to yeah if it is within our price okay are we ready for our last presentation amber yeah i am just trying to move it okay kay i think it should be there working design working design there we go kay kay i did not get a chance to complete this one cause some of the tools that i was given were frustrating 0 my bad 0 that is fine okay so method method of our design i think i just start listing th some of the things that we actually need to put into this help me we need a power source we are going to need a smart chip if we are going to make it multi functional extra functions will probably need an additional chip either that or the smart chip will have to be extremely smart what exactly is a smart chip usually a smart chip is just a chip that has been programmed and designed so that it can complete a fair range of functions well how much extra would the additional chip be is that going to push us over our production costs i would not think so cause we could probably get it from like in bulk from a a newer company and they tend to sell their chips pretty cheap okay ready yep nothing here that is okay power source i figured batteries cause they are easily available typically a remote has either 2 double a s or 4 triple a s sometimes 3 it really kinda depends on the size of the actual remote itself a large on off button demographically we are moving towards an older generation of people so a large on off button would probably be good selection button for various entertainment devices so you want something that will permit you to select the d v d player or the t v or the stereo system smart chip that perverts that permits sorry universal application again something that will allow us to skip over between devices and that is kinda it this is my 52nd design power source over here we are going to have a switch obviously between the power source and the rest of it and you are going to need the switch extra bulb could just be for flashiness subcomponent which would be like a way of diverting the power to different parts of the the device the chip and of course the infra red bulb so it can communicate with the various devices that it needs to talk to so what exactly we are looking at is this like the front of the remote this is just like a rough schematic so this is the internal workings so this would be the front so the red would be the front of the remote though right 0 okay yeah yeah that is going to be what is communicating with the t v but the other bulb i think okay is good to just to indicate i am doing something it is sort of like a reassurance the l the light up kind of yeah like that we know the battery is working yeah so you do not have to stare at that infra red cause you know when the battery starts dying in your remote currently you have to actually stare at that bulb and go okay when i push this button is it working okay it would probably be lighting up the key too right we can skip that whole thing yep yeah yeah kay so you can put it in the dark the buttons yeah and that is good we should make it glow in the dark okay yeah definitely kay nex r ready yeah that is it kay any p kay kay anything you want to add for personal preferences though you f you said already that we needed a large on off button you think i think that that is a good idea because you know that is one of the most important buttons anything else just okay well should it be larger buttons in general you know like the examples that i had they were swi quite small so should we try and go for something that has l larger buttons i think we should like i think that would be in a as in like in for the design sorry i think we should definitely go with buttons that do not look like a normal remote cause most remotes have small square buttons i think we should do something like maybe bigger and round like bubbles ovals yeah yeah okay okay let us talk about all of our we will come to decision later about all the components that we need to include let us wrap up this one and i am going to go back to my powerpoint cause we need to discuss the new project requirements which you might have already seen flashed up on the screen a bit earlier wait come back alright sorry let us go through this alright here we go new product requirements 1st it is only going to be a t v remote we are trying not to over complicate things so no d v d no tivo no stereo okay it is not going to be multi functional hey and we th need to promote our company more so we need to somehow include our color and our company slogan on the remote we are trying to get our name out there in the world okay and you know what teletext is yeah in states we do not have it but it is like they just have this channel where just has news and weather kind of sports i know what is it it is very bland looking it is just text on the screen not even yeah just black with just text yeah it is like black black and white kind of like running along the bottom yeah you can also get the kind of the t v guide so it will give you the sports wait is it like the weather channel where it has got like the ticker running on the bottom or something kind of except the entire screen it is the entire screen is just running information at random yeah it is the whole screen you can pick sports you can pick the news you entertainment you know it is like so anyway seemingly so it is like a separate channel from like what you are watching right right yeah but it is becoming out dated now because of the internet nobody needs to go to the teletext channel to check the news and we have 24 hour news channels now too so those are our new product requirements okay okay so do we have to include the company color within that alright yes it is part of the logo okay company color being yellow what we are going to do right now is come to some decisions definitive that we can all agree on about the target group and the functions and just definite things that we need to do and then we will close up the meeting so alright whatever okay so our target group is you mentioned older people would it just be universal for everyone you think because i think even if something has large buttons as long as they are not childishly large like even technically it is going to make it nicer yeah non technically challenged people are going to use it i mean they want something user friendly so well even if we kept the regular standard size of remote if we reduced the buttons down to the ones that people are saying that they use the most often and a couple extra cause they are saying they only use 10% of them then we should be able to accommodate fairly decent sized buttons yeah yeah okay so we want for our target group would we say i mean young and old all age ranges all not kids obviously right or kids no kids need to know how to use a remote i would think most of them will intuitively pick it up though they got to change between disney channel cartoon network okay so we are going to go anywhere from kids to adult in the age range what about yeah i think we need it all technic technical specifications like how how technically literate are these people who are going to be using our remote i would say we should say dumber than the average person we should go for the lowest denominator okay yeah right okay high school educated so so they need no technical experience to operate how bout little to no because there is no way that you are going to be able to make it no okay and we also need to determine the specific functions of this just to get it all out on paper so we said it needs to send messages to the t v needs to change the channel turn on and off just basic simple stuff like this so if you have something just say it and we will add it to my meeting minutes well it is channel on off button volume mute volume and channel yeah those are the most important ones right and we want to keep i will make a note here that we want to keep the number of buttons down correct because people only use 10% yeah kay hey what else do we want this thing to be able to be found easily i think so what do you sure yeah a finding kind of device or yeah ho homing device and i need we we need a like homing device like if this is going to get lost underneath the coach how are we going to accommodate the quick ability to find it 0 right yeah okay kay tracking because people really are looking for a remote that is more high tech okay right what if we gave it a charger and on the charger just like a phone like you get a portable phone and it has got a charger and if you d leave your phone somewhere but you got a base you push the button to find it and it finds th the phone beeps for you do you think people will really go for that though because it is useful for the remote phone yeah would that add to our costs at all i wonder i would think so because you would have to develop a base right well if you have the base you could start putting in a charger and then you have a different kind of battery yeah rechargeable batteries are cheaper usually yeah okay i i think we can make a decision about that later we will still put that as a point that we need to discuss so that would include battery source power source rather is it going to have a charger or is it going to be run strictly off batteries and we also need to deal with the issue you mentioned of speech recognition if we want that right do w well then we could if we have the speech recognition then we can start aiming at a like another kind of more handicapped disabled demo demographic well th there is the people who desire speech recognition there is the different demog demographics have different desires i do not know if you guys ge you could we could hook it up it would not copy onto the the thing cause it is black but all the different age groups have different desires for speech recognition 0 so basically older people do not really care it is really the people 25 to 35 i feel those are the people that really watch a lot of t v though they are the ones that get addicted to soap operas and well and if and if we introduced it when they are this age they are going to probably always buy a remote that has just sitcoms and stuff right so well then then do you put the voice recognition do you put the r like receiver on the actual television in the base or in the actual remote cause then you have already got remote in your hand why you just going to speak to the remote right whereas if you just speak in general and you do not have to have the remote in your hand and like talk at it yeah and the speech recognition could be part of the lost and found device too if we said find remote locate remote or something right a certain phrase then it could beep i dunno just throwing it out there yeah well still 15 minutes okay anything else we want to discuss well do we want to include the numbers like 0 through 9 can we conceive of leaving them out wait on the remote itself yeah like you have 1234567890 well we definitely need those how how yeah how would you leave those out yeah well i do not know i mean if you can like well i do not know if there is just a way of leaving them out unless you could say the channel i think people would find that too foreign yeah yeah that is true you definitely need and also remember that in this day in age we need you know like a 100 button too i used to have a remote that did not even go up past like 50 so i could not whenever i got cable i had to get a new t v it is when we get satellite get your own remote or digital cable yeah kay i guess we are going to discuss the project financing later making sure that we can fit all of the stuff that we want to on our budget yeah cause i do not have any material pricing information available to me at the moment so kay and do not forget we need to include the color of our company and the logo the color being yellow wait i am guessing and how do we i feel like a ye i feel like a yellow one would be too garish and the r r r the double r we could just have the logo in yellow or maybe a yellow light for the keys can not make it entirely or is the l or put like stripes 0 yeah yellow lights yeah yellow could be and it could does not have to be huge yeah well if you have like a hang on if you have this sort of strip kind of down at the bottom the base of it just like yellow with the r r right so we have simplified we do not need all those play fast forward rewind right yeah yeah or no menu buttons so we have pretty much pared it down to on off volume mute channel up and down the numbers yeah yeah can we go back to i am going to look really quickly back at those 2 examples examples and see if there is anything yeah which one is yours technical functions or functional requirement 0 it is a yeah okay yeah audi audio settings and screen settings we need those like audio settings mono stereo pitch screen settings like brightness color or do we just want that accessed accessed from the television itself the t v i think that that is fine just for the t v i mean how often does the average user need to do that kind of stuff well the other option is sort of like down at the bottom like farther away you just have this sort of box inset where it is like the buttons that you do not use as much but occasionally you will use yeah cause we need to we definitely need to have buttons for like sub titles and things like that and so it is like it is cause the foreign film market is expanding and stuff and like on television like i know f k living in los angeles it is tons of spanish network television if it has english sub titles it is definitely helpful could not we do that all through one button something a menu button that pops up with a menu on the t v that says i do not well i do not know you know audio video whatever language you know right so we need up down and side to side buttons well that could be no you could just double up with like the channel or the volume buttons for the menus that is true yeah okay channel is just up and down okay yeah and then add a something that looks mayb you know such as yeah the one the one over there on the left the engineering centered one y right right right right yeah that one so we just have it like add a menu button then for the various things needed right including v voice recognition if we have any like settings for voice recognition now in the middle perhaps included in the menu yep ooh i just got an idea for a design good anybody have anything else they would like to bring up in this meeting i had something but i forgot okay get out of here let us go back to the meeting closure then and see what we need to do next alright after this meeting we are going to be sent a questionnaire and summary again which we need to reply to that e mail and then we are going to have lunch break and after lunch 30 minutes of individual work time i am going to put the minutes i put the minutes for the 1st meeting already in the project documents folder if you would like to review them and i am going to type up the minutes for this one as well here is what we are each going to do the i d is going to work on the components concept u i d the user interface concept and you are going to do some trend watching kay specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach and if anybody has anything they would like to add no okay well this meeting is officially over thank you all" ]

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[ "i know i am good again was the questionnaire supposed to be filled in before after the maybe we just got 3rd one do you want us to do it really fast or wait okay okay okay 0 there we go okay welcome to our 2nd meeting meeting this is the functional design meeting and i hope you all had a good individual working time okay let us get started okay here is the agenda for the meeting after the opening i am going to fulfill the role of secretary take the meeting minutes then we are going to have 3 presentations one from each of you then we are going to discuss some new project requirements i am going to come to a decision on the functions of the remote control and then and we are going to close up the meeting and we are going to do this all in about 40 minutes okay 1st i want to discuss the goals of this meeting 1st we need to determine the user requirements and the question that we can ask ourselves is what needs and desires are to be fulfilled by this remote control and then we are going to determine the technical functions what is the effect of the apparatus what actually is it supposed to do what do people pick up a remote and use it for and then lastly we are going to determine its working design how exactly will it perform its functions that is the whole technical side of i will just give you a minute because it looks like you are making some notes okay well let us go ahead and go back previous so what i want to do right now is hear from all 3 of you on your research that you just did who would like to start us off i do not like going 1st okay do you have a powerpoint or no yeah it should be in the do you want us to do our powerpoints now no you could do it yourself actually 0 did you send it save it in the project documents yeah okay this one sure okay yeah okay okay great okay 0 the function of a remote control as what we have been informed is basically to send messages just the television set for example switch it on switch it off go to this channel go to channel 9 turn the volume up etc some of the considerations is just for example what it needs to include is the numbers you know is 0 to 9 so you can move to the power button on slash off the channel going up and down going up and down and then mute and then functions for vhs dvd for example play rewind fast forward stop pause enter and enter would be for like you know the menus and then other menus for dv as well as tv whether that means like we can go and decide the brightness of the screen things like that all the more complicated functions of menus and we can decide if that is what we want to sign what we want in that if we want to include that on the remote or if that is something that would stay on the tv itself for example ok these are 2 examples and you can see on the left it has got a lot more buttons and i do not know if you can read it but it says step go to freeze slow repeat program mute and so those are some of the buttons and so it gives you an idea one example and then on the right it is a lot more simpler it has got volume it has got the circle set which is play rewind but it is also what is fast forward is also like next on a menu so you have functions that are duplicating and you have a mute button and the numbers and the eject and the power button so that gives you 2 different kinds of more complex and more simple version okay ready and then lastly it is just the questions that we want to consider like what functions do we want it to include and how simple complex it should be and what functions it needs to complete what are needed to complete the installation process because you know something that also has to be considered and it is going to be hopefully a one time thing when you set it up should be set to go but we have to include the functions that can allow it to set up in the 1st place okay so that is it all right very good presentation thank you speak with such a already on the menu okay who would like to follow that one up now that we can go okay do you want me to run it yeah you should run it okay functional requirements yes okay okay okay so we have courtney with the functional requirements yes okay so we tested 100 subjects in our lab and we watched them and we also made them fill out a questionnaire and we found that the users are not typically happy with current remote controls 75% think they are ugly 80% want they are willing to spend more which is good news for us if we make it look fancier and basically we just need something that really i mean there is some other points up there but they it needs to be shnazzy but yet simple so that is really what we need to do and we need it to be simple yet it needs to be high tech looking so that meaning like they like i guess use the buttons a lot i do not know it is from my research okay my team was not very clear 0 i am sorry what do you mean by the current remote controls not match well the operating behavior of the user i think it is like the engineering versus user whereas like the engineering she showed that the engineering ones are more complex 0 right and users do not really need all of the buttons that are contained on there okay because they only use 10% of the buttons really yeah okay we only use 10% of our brains good point it works it is a necessary tool yeah ready for the next slide and so people say that they typically lose it as you yourself know because you probably lose your remote control all the time much like any small appliance like a cell phone and they we need something simple because most people well 34% say that it is just too much time to learn how to use a new one and we do not want to go we do not want to vary too far from the normal standard remote i mean they do need to be able to identify it and rsa i am not very sure what that is it is okay it is very important it is important for the remote control world is that like ergonomics like your hand movements could be possibly you really need to provide more information on what rsi is yeah that is what my website said i think that is a pretty good guess though yeah i would assume so i think we are supposed to know it as remote control experts but also so the channel the volume and the power buttons are the most important on our company website you can find like the specific statistics concerning to how much each button is used but those are the definitely the top ones okay next slide and so personally i think that we need a modern eye catching design but it it really needs to be simple so saying from your side your presentation the engineering versus the user specified remotes i think that we should go with something that is more user friendly where the engineering ones the boxes tend to make it look more complicated than it really is the functionality of the product really needs to be considered as to like what type of buttons do we really need on it and it needs to be open to a wide range of consumers so even though we need a small number of buttons we also need to take in like are most people going to be using it for a dvd player or tivo what exactly are we using it for as well as the age range so we need a hip but not a corny marketing scheme for promoting our product and also we found our team found that speech recognition is it is like an up and coming thing consumers are really interested in it and since our findings found that people are willing to pay more money for a remote for it to be more high class we could consider it just to clarify by speech recognition you mean they would say channel 5 i guess so okay i would just say where are you the thing beeped you know yeah i guess we can interpret it like we can just try out different types of speech recognition within our did not they did not our rival companies manufacture a remote that you would press the button on the tv and the remote would beep so that if you ever lost it it is like what the remote phone used to do 0 yeah that is true you could definitely include that if we wanted to yeah if it is within our nice okay i am ready for our last presentation amber yeah i am just trying to move it okay okay i think it should be there working design okay i did not get a chance to complete this one because some of the tools that i was given were frustrated 0 that is fine okay so method method of our design i think i just started listing some of the things that we actually need to put into this we need a power source we are going to need a smart chip if we are going to make it multifunctional extra functions will probably need an additional chip either that or the smart chip will have to be extremely smart what exactly is a smart chip usually a smart chip is just a chip that has been programmed and designed so that it can complete a fair range of functions well how much extra would the additional chip be is that going to push us over our production costs i would not think so because we could probably get it from a bulk from a newer company they tend to sell their chips pretty cheap ready yep nothing here that is okay power source i figured batteries because they are easily available typically a remote has either 2 double a is or 4 triple a is sometimes 3 really kind of depends on the size of the actual remote itself a large on off button demographically we are moving towards an older generation of people so a large on off button would probably be good selection button for various entertainment devices so you want something that will permit you to select the dvd player or the tv or the stereo system smart chip that permits sorry universal application again something that will allow us to skip over between devices that is kind of it this is my 52nd design power source over here we are going to have a switch obviously between the power source and the rest of it you are going to need the switch extra bulb could just be for flashiness subcomponent which would be like a way of diverting the power to different parts of the device the chip and of course the infrared bulb so it can communicate with the various devices that it needs to talk to so what exactly are we looking at is this like the front of the this is just like a rough schematic so this is the internal workings so the red would be the front of the remote though right yeah that is going to be what is communicating with the tv but the other bulb i think is good just to indicate i am doing something sort of like a yeah so you do not have to stare at that infrared because you know when the battery starts dying on your remote currently you have to actually stare at that bulb and go okay when i push this button is it working we can skip that whole thing right yeah yeah so you can put it in the dark yeah that is good we should make it glow in the dark yeah definitely okay next right yeah that is it okay okay anything you want to add for personal preferences though you you said already that we need a large on off button you think i think that that is a good idea because you know that is one of the most important buttons okay well should it be larger buttons in general you know like the examples that i had there is quite small so sure do we try and go for something that has larger buttons i think we should like i think that would be as in like for the design sorry i think we should definitely go with buttons that do not look like a normal remote because most remotes have small square buttons i think we should do something like maybe bigger and round like bubbles okay okay let us talk about all of our we will come to a decision later about all the components that we need to include let us wrap up this one i am going to go back to my powerpoint because we need to discuss the new project requirements which you might have already seen flashed up on the screen a bit earlier wait come back all right sorry let us go through this all right here we go new product requirements 1st it is only going to be a tv remote we are trying not to over complicate things so no dvd no tivo no stereo it is not going to be multifunctional hey and we need to promote our company more so we need to somehow include our color and our company is slogan on the remote we are trying to get our name out there in the world okay and you know what teletext is yeah in the states we do not have it but what is it it is like they just have this channel where it just has news and weather kind of sports it is very bland looking is just text on the screen yeah it is like black yeah just black with like running along the bottom yeah you can also get the kind of the tv guide so wait is it like the weather channel where it has got like the ticker running on the bottom except the entire screen it is the entire screen is just running information at random so anyway you can pick the news you know it is like so it is like a separate channel from like what you are watching but it is becoming outdated now because of the internet nobody needs to go to the teletext channel to check the news and we have 24 hour news channels now too so those are our new product requirements okay so do we have to include the company color within that yes it is part of the logo okay company color being yellow what we are going to do right now is come to some decisions definitive that we can all agree on about the target group and the functions and just definite things that we need to do and then we will close up the meeting so all right okay okay would it just be universal for everyone you think because i think even if something has large buttons as long as they are not childishly large like even technically non technically challenged people are going to use it i mean they want something user friendly so well even if we kept a regular standard size of remote if we reduce the buttons down to the ones that people are saying that they use the most often and a couple extra because they are saying they only use 10% of them yeah then we should be able to accommodate fairly decent sized buttons okay so we want for our target group would we say i mean young and old all age ranges all not kids obviously right no kids need to know how to use remote most of them will intimately pick it between disney channel cartoon network okay so we are going to go anywhere yeah i think we need 2 adult in the age range what about technical technical specifications like how how technically literate are these people who are going to be using our remote i would say we should say dumber than the average person we should go for the lowest denominator yeah right okay so they need no technical experience to operate how little to know because there is no way that you are going to be able to make it no okay and we also need to determine the specific functions of this just to get it all out on paper so we said it needs to send messages to the tv needs to change the channel turn on and off just basic simple stuff like this so if you have something just say it and we will add it to my meeting minutes on off button and volume volume mute and channel yeah those are the most important ones right and we want to keep i will make a note here that we want to keep the number of buttons down correct because people only use 10% yeah hey what else do we want this thing to be able to be found easily i think so what do you sure yeah so what finding kind of we need a like homing the couch how are we going to accommodate the quick ability to find it because people really are looking for our remote that is more high tech what if we gave it a charger and on the charger just like a phone like you get a portable phone and it has got a charger and if you leave your phone somewhere you push the button to find it it finds the phone beats free it is useful for the remote phone yeah would that add to our cost at all i wonder i would think so because you would have to develop a base well if you have a base you can start putting in a charger and then you have a different kind of battery yeah rechargeable batteries are cheaper usually yeah okay i think we can make a decision about that later we will still put that as a point that we need to discuss so that would include battery source power source rather is it going to have a charger or is it going to be run strictly off batteries and we also need to deal with the issue that you mentioned of speech recognition if we want that if we have the speech recognition then we can start aiming it at like another kind of more handicapped disabled demographic well there is the people who desire speech recognition there is the different demographics have different desires i do not know if you guys can not you could it would not copy onto the things it is black but all the different age groups have different desires for speech recognition so basically older people do not really care it is really the people 25 to 35 i feel those are the people that really watch a lot of tv though they are the ones that get addicted to soap operas and sitcoms and stuff and if we introduce it when they are at this age they are going to probably always buy a remote that has well then do you put voice recognition do you put a receiver on the actual television in the base or in the actual remote because then you have already got the moat in your hand why are you just going to speak to the remote right whereas if you just speak in general and you do not have to have the remote in your hand and talk at it yeah and the speech recognition could be part of the lost and found device too if we said find remote locate remote or something a certain phrase then it could beep just throwing it out there yeah well 15 minutes okay anything else you want to discuss well do we want to include the numbers like 0 through 9 can we conceive of leaving them out wait on the remote at till yeah like you have one 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 well we definitely need those yeah how do you need those out well i do not know i mean if you can see it is like well i do not know if there is just a way of leaving them out i think people would find that too foreign yeah that is true you definitely need also remember that in this day and age we need you know like a 100 button too i used to have a remote that did not even go up past like 50 so i could not whenever i got cable i had to get a new tv it is when you get satellite yeah so you get get your own remote or digital cable yeah okay i guess we are going to discuss the project financing later making sure that we can fit all of the stuff that we want to on our budget yeah because i do not have any material pricing information available to me at the moment so do not forget we need to include the color of our company and the logo the color being yellow i am guessing i feel like a yellow would be too garish we could just have the logo in yellow or maybe a yellow light for the keys or put like stripes 0 yeah yellow yeah yellow could be and it does not have to be huge yeah if you have the sort of strip kind of down at the bottom the base of it it is just like yellow with the rr right so we have simplified we do not need all those play fast forward rewind right yeah you know no menu buttons so we have pretty much paired it down to on off volume mute channel up and down the numbers can we go back to i am going to look really quickly back at those 2 examples examples yeah and see if there is anything which one was yours technical functions 0 that is the functional requirement okay yeah audio settings and screen settings we need those like audio settings mono stereo pitch screen settings like brightness color or do we just want that access from the television itself i think that that is fine just through the tv i mean how often does the average use you need to do that kind of stuff well the other option is sort of like down at the bottom like farther away you just have this sort of box inset where it is like the buttons that you do not use as much but occasionally you will use yeah because we definitely need to have buttons for like subtitles and things like that because the foreign film market is expanding and stuff and like on television like i know living in los angeles it is tons of spanish network television and if it has english subtitles it is definitely helpful we do that off through one button a menu button that pops up with a menu on the tv that says you know audio video whatever language you know right so we need up down and side to side buttons well that could be no you can just double up with like the channel or the volume buttons that is true yeah channel is just up and down okay yeah and then i know something that such as yeah the one you know the one over there on the left the engineering center one right right right right that one so we just have like add a menu button then for the various things needed including voice recognition if we have any like settings for voice recognition though included in the menu yep 0 i just got an idea for design good anybody have anything else i would like to bring up in this meeting i had something but i forgot okay let us go back to the meeting closure then and see what we need to do next all right after this meeting we are going to be sent a questionnaire and summary again which we need to reply to that email and then we are going to have lunch break and after lunch 30 minutes of individual work time i am going to put the minutes for the 1st meeting already in the project documents folder if you would like to review them and i am going to type up the minutes for this one as well here is what we are each going to do the id is going to work on the components concept uid the user interface concept and you are going to do some trend watching specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach and if anybody has anything they would like to add no okay well this meeting is officially over thank you all" ]

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[ "hi kate just just carry on okay carry on alright this is the beginning of the 3rd meeting the conceptual design meeting our agenda should be that we are opening the meeting i have the minutes from the previous meeting are on the shared f drive at this point and we should each have a presentation to make we have certain decisions to make and we have 40 minutes total it is 25 after 2 at the moment so 40 minutes is 5 after 3 which i will be keeping an eye on the clock for us okay there are the decisions we have to turn to but we will come back to them in a minute after i take us to the minutes of the previous meeting right as we remember i opened the meeting the 4 of us were present the meeting the 1st meeting is minutes were reviewed and approved sarah you presented a marketing research report which pretty much representative represented that 15 to 35 year olds it has to be hand held power channel volume number keys possibly a speech recognition and then steph did a 2nd presentation that those functions plus streamlining them with big user friendly keys that were easy to use i think all of us agreed with those things kate presented a working design of going after going over the basics on the whiteboard that it should be a simple mass produced device because of the 125 pence cost but we did talk about possibly using rechargeable batteries and having a docking place as a selling point and the new requirements that it for be for t v only and that it include the l so slogan and color of the corporate design be included the corporate image so we agreed that the target market would be 15 to 35 with more money than sense that were decision makers alternatively it would be a manufacturer to enclose it with the t v but it still should meet those parameters and that the function we agreed was volume power numbers enter channels a way to move between channels easy to use and hand held at that point we agreed that sarah would look at the current cost of competition what what do the current ones sell for and steph was going to look at ec ergonomics kate was going to look at cost and feasibility of the various possibilities that we discussed and i was to type up these minutes and work on the final report is this a fair presentation of what our last meeting was yeah yes okay right so we are ready to close that and go back to our that one right we are up to the point of the go back the 3 presentations so we are going to pull the plug on me and turn to sarah is that okay is that alright with everybody else yep especially since kate asked to be last sarah i am sorry if i misspelled your name i did not know whether it was s a r a or s a r h i respond to either no worries you respond to whatever you get huh okay did you do your hit yeah ah there it is ta da okay 1st thing i want to address is one of the points that florence brought up which was current cost of the competition devices similar to the ones that stephanie showed us and and they are 20 to €60 depending on branding right some of them that have a higher brand recognition are on the more expensive end but i think that with the current price that we are searching for we are well within even on the lower end of the of the market kay but i am going to move on to more interesting more vibrant things so i investigated the remote control market in greater detail and my the theme of what i was to work on was trend watch and kay sorry i am glad to see the marketing budget is being so well spent on i know that you all are a distance from cutting edge marketing research so you know i am just going to try to cloak it in really professional terms here what is hot fruit and veg spongy and this is all over the catwalks paris milan and i am talking about clothing furniture shoes this is really interesting change from past years because it is much more organic some would say approachable and i think if we are to refashion our view of what we want in a remote control we should perhaps think about incorporating technologically interesting fabrics and some of the bold colors into a simple handset so i also did a little research on what again are the most important priorities in decision making about purchasing fancy functional is out and f the fancy and that is exactly the term i am i am thinking polished elegant you know kind of innovative but a cut above this is twice as important as the next finding which is technologically innovative this is interesting cause i think in the last meeting we were talking about technology as being so important but maybe what is innovative is having it simple with with technologically superior fabrics or you know designed in interesting substances ease of use again pretty low i mean it is the top 3 but each of the fancy and technologically innovative are far more important so i think we should cloak the streamlined remote control device in a series of fruit fruit themed sleeves i think that is a good idea y yeah you know do not you yes it sounds like the the covers that they use for the remote you know your t your cell phone exactly exactly i was thinking though that instead of having something like patterned you know so you know something similar to a summer dress you know it would have like fruit and veg is that we actually make these spongy they could be ini initially i thought we could start with kind of fruit that would suit kind of a long hand held so banana pineapple and pear it could actually the sleeve could take up a lot of the development and the remote control we would just need to get reductionist on it they could be interchangeable they are spongy that goes back to ergonomic and the youngsters love em fun for the whole family everyone can have their own so what we are talking about is changing this concept everyone has a t v remote but then we add in the fact that they could each have their own individual fruit that is what is hot on the catwalks so this is my this is what i am thinking huh in most families do not is not the remote is a remote y yeah but i think i think what this would allow is perhaps a person in the family who had the most opinion about it we all need a remote but the person who is really perhaps active in personalizing i am thinking the teenager the someone 15 to 35 would go out and get this additional thing the same way as you mentioned that people would get the cell phone covers so when your dad is sitting there overriding your decision going no we are going to watch this you can bring out your own remote and be like zap no we are going to watch this yeah w and plus i think well actually some households do have 3 and 4 t v s and they would have a remote for each one so yeah yeah yeah so this is an idea and i i you know this is exactly what the research has has shown so i really open this up to any other feedback this spongy fruit and veg yeah i i think we are going to have some trouble when we get down to the component design on this thanks alright yep spongy is going to be difficult i am afraid and as for as for well budgeting as well if we are going to have lots of different interchangeable i i just have my ear to the market guys components is this to the market yeah i mean basically we can make these things out of wood titanium plastic or rubber i suppose rubber is the closest to spongy yeah is spongiest yeah that would add i was thinking titanium myself i was thinking titanium i was thinking it is just i have been influenced by pictures of ipods and they are also minimalist and shiny they are and they they would fulfill the 1st priority which is fancy i think many of us would associate those with fancy something else we could do is call it something that is fruit and veg oriented we could call it the name are we talking about the device itself or the c or a cover for the device that would be an interchangeable cov cover as a separate product well it would be a a very simple product that would have a spongy sleeve that would be interchangeable perhaps perhaps that desi that particular suggestion needs to go back to management and perhaps go to another group to actually design as a separate product so yeah but it is kind of pointless is not it yeah that you know that might be let us delegate wo would that be agreeable and then we could keep it titanium yeah w w would it be helpful if i described the components a bit because i think it would give you maybe bring this discussion back to earth of what we can actually physically do yeah maybe or do you want to be next or you want kate to go next i think possibly it might be more useful if kate went next okay we will move the you can even have them in different flavors as well so that if you just want to sit there and chew on the remote it could be like pear flavor yeah yeah or s or smelly scratchy scratch and sniff well i was really thinking a lot about the i the imac kind of gel gem tone right well i i i think some of this you are going to be a little disappointed with some of the things i have to tell you it is hot on the streets guys but i am afraid this is the real world so i have been looking at the the basics of how these devices actually have to work in order to operate and i have had some discussions with the ma manufacturing division who have told me what is actually available you know what the current state of the art in components is and some of the exciting new things they have got but i am not sure that it is quite what you want now this is not a very good overhead but this is just to show you this is the innards of a remote control i really need a pen or something but does my mouse work no 0 yeah can you see my little mouse pointer right this is this is the a a a remote that has been opened up and that is the the back of the interface and this is a push button one so you see these little little buttons here they are little rubber rubber buttons that go through onto the the board at the back and they push these buttons here and we that is the basic construction that we have got to got to accommodate we got to have something that pushes the little buttons that talk to the chip that encodes the message that sends the the message to the receiver so i wan i want to go through not not just addressing the the the points that you made sarah but doing my presentation in the order i wrote it so 1st of all i want to talk about what possibilities we have got for the energy source we can have your bog standard double double a batteries in a replaceable little compartment we can have a hand sorry a wind up yeah which i think is quite an interesting concept for a sorry for a remote control a wind up but i it maybe is does not quite go with the the fruit and veg one that one that i think is quite interesting is the kinetic energy source alright remember we only have 40 minutes where you you actually get the energy by moving the device which is quite a ni a nice and neat one you have to it means that if it is sitting there for a long time it probably will not work but you have to sort of throw it between your hands every now and then it will work or we we had talked about solar power but i thing that we agreed that that is not so good in the dark now i am afraid this is the options we have got on on the case it can be made of plastic rubber wood 0 if you like or titanium and the nearest we have got to saint to spongy there i guess is rubber but i am going to come back to the advantages of titanium and basically it can have a flat surface a curved surface or a double curved surface but i think if we want to use standard components we are going to have difficulty with anything much beyond that okay what does the interface look like well push button that is that is the one we are all familiar with we can have scroll buttons and the the scroll button can incorporate a push so you can have it like on a mouse where you can use it to go up and down change volume or channel or something like that and push to select something you can have multiple scroll buttons this is maybe getting a little bit complicated but it is it the technology is there and we can also incorporate an l c d display in the remote but this will increase the cost the electronics that actually makes the device work we have basically got 3 simple regular advanced and the price goes up as we choose each of this if we want the nice cheap one the simple then we can only have push buttons all the other fancy interface designs go out the window i am afraid pay a little bit more for a regular chip and you can have scroll buttons if you want the advanced chip it obviously costs more but it that is what you need if you want the l c d display and the manufacturing devision tell me that they have recently developed sample sensor sample speaker devices now i do not know what that is but i think they think it is quite important and we might want to incorporate it somewhere ou our real expertise is in push buttons i have to say but maybe you think that is old technology and well i i think we have got 2 options we can either go for a really cheap model keep all of the costs down which means a flat plastic case with an ordinary battery and simple push buttons or we can have something that looks a bit nicer i think it will not necessarily l look like a pineapple but that may or may not be a good thing sorry but it could have an l c d screen and it could have multiple scroll buttons and it could have the the company is new development of the sample sensor and speaker so thank you that sounds good any idea you you mentioned that there would be a cost difference do you have any idea if if this could if the fancy model could be done in €12 50 yeah i am afraid i do not have that information available manufacturing did not actually give attach any prices to any of this i am afraid because you know what i am being quite serious when i say that that the things i mentioned are hot but i think the important thing might be to choose one yeah you know if if what you are telling me is is some of these things are not just f are not feasible maybe we could something about naming we could call it you know blackberry that is bear bear in mind it has to be the colors and styles of the company so what i had been thinking was something chunky and yellow and plastic with black buttons with a logo on it banana alright well let us see then but i i do not know how important that is to keep it exactly the colors of the real reaction company yeah it is just what i would understood we would be doing yeah that is before i heard about all this hot tips about the future fruit wise but yeah i am trying to streamline mine a little bit we we could we could do a double curved rubber one which would allow say a banana but unfortunately i see from my notes that if we do that we have to have a push button as the interface we can not do anything fancier yeah shall we wait til i have til i have showed you what well my extensive presentation on what sort of interfaces are available yeah yep thank you kate thank you kate you did seem to include just in more detail what i have got though so so mine is a bit pointless right f n and f 8 did you say yes there we go i do not have it on mine though 0 i think florence resolved it by i if you do f f n f 8 again it is it will do it again f 8 again keep doing it until you get it in both you get it there you get it yours without that one and then you get it with both i think it yeah you you will do an should i do it again maybe yeah this time it should come up both right then i do not actually have a huge amount of different information then what kate says just okay that my method was to look at the well my my inspirations which was a big collection of lots of different models of remote controls and other things that use a similar sort of thing including m p 3 players like you know hi fi remotes not just television and these things having a think about the feature of ea the features of each ones what functions we actually need and then how to group and arrange these on the actual the actual plastic or rubber hand held piece i have been especially interested in the ipod style scroll wheel which well i could not find a the picture of the ipod w only linked to a web browser so i could not copy and paste it but it had a similar thing to this thing on the right it has scroll wheels without without a display but they they scroll like a computer mouse so i was thinking that a really simple a really simple interface with just a couple of scroll things on it and then instead of a display the display could appear on the television screen like i guess an existing sky or cable one does like you know you press enter and it comes up with what is showing on that channel at the moment and you can do you can scroll along and it will show you what is on in the next half hour and you scroll up and you can see what is on the other channels while you are watching the same channel on the screen but i am also equally taken with this chunky plastic kiddie remote which is really nice and fun and good to hold and nice big easy buttons to press but still quite simple and quite cost effective so what seems kind of ideal for me would be to just have a fairly simple not fancy but not totally minimalist i mean just pretty simple plastic probably i was thinking yellow and black just because that is the company is colors with very very few buttons but that would correspond to a screen that would appear on the television screen like you know just small along the bottom instead of instead of having the ipod style display screen on the actual remotes which is far too expensive and when you have got a screen sitting there in front of you you might as well have it appearing on the screen in front of you it does not obscure much of the actual picture you are watching yeah and so on that you can just much in the same way as an existing sky remote scroll along scroll up and down yeah i would i would certainly support that idea and and i definitely support the use of plastic and or rubber i mean titanium would be great but i think it might be a bit too expensive and too kinda spacey if we are k trying to keep it colorful and slightly organic then i think titanium is too futuristic it is difficult to make fancy shapes in it as well we can not for example have a double curved case in titanium unfortunately yeah whereas a plastic is so cheap and easy and mouldable and everything else then and the the having the the the screen on the television screen i think is a good idea cause otherwise we are we are putting up the price not only for putting building the l c d in but for the electronics as well and it is a little bit pointless as well i think it is a duplication like when when when you have got when you have got the screen there it does not have to be anything fancy just a little menu showing yeah there is that a menu you go into one menu and then it can have your different options whether you want to change the settings or the you know your information about program that is on at the moment i do not think that is to taxing to s engineer but as for actually arranging them let me go back to the to the picture of the kiddie one and i quite like it cause it is just smooth and hand held and it has got these easily reachable buttons that quite nicely spaced out so something a bit like that with buttons arranged in a kind of circle up down left right do you want scroll buttons in that as well i i was thinking not actually scroll like a like mouse scroll but you know a i can not quite d describe it you see on the one on the right down at the bottom is the mouse yeah see where the mouse is like this s style thing where you c have up down left and right right and enter in the middle so you pick your menu and then your different options and when when you click on each one it you can go into a new menu for that i am getting a bit specific here really we would have to use something to show you but yeah i think i think that is a g nice clean design it is playing to our strengths which are in push button technology to m make it if i do not think i can get it up on the screen ah here we go right 0 nice well the ipod spinning wheel is really complicated huh it does scroll but it is hugely complicated yeah what else have we got wow them they are terrible but they all have this this feature of this it is not quite a scroll wheel but it is a selection wheel it is a kind of selection in this circle which i think is a really good idea but we can implement it with simple push buttons which is much cheaper yeah like up down left and right which is good and then and then yeah so i mean either a channel up and down volume up and down next appearing programs up and down and then also when you get into the different menus on the screen it has got your things like settings and contrast up and down okay so all you really need is these 4 buttons with the enter in the middle okay and that is it look at look at this one in fact 0 that is really nice almost impossible to misplace or l or lose do you think with might take up your whole living room it seems that that you guys are quite keen on the plastic perhaps the something reminiscent of the child is remote do you think we could put it in a in a fruit color and have it abstract you know we could call like a fruit name but it would be a little more abstract possibly yeah that also is possible we we could actually do it in rubber instead of plastic if you would rather if you feel if you like the spongy i am just just throwing out ideas just or call it a or call it a banana and have it in yellow yeah i am thinking maybe we need to be a little bit more abstract if the design constraints are so okay yeah just something else i need to bring to your attention is have you have you seen these on a remote this is actually the volume up and down but they both say v on them which when you 1st look at it you expect that to be the down because it looks like a downward pointing arrow but it is actually the v to indicate that it is the volume so yeah we do need to avoid little ambiguities like these yeah nice good point but we would not have a specific volume up and down if we are having the scroll wheel then it is going to double up as all the other up and down functions kay but then that is complicated i want to thank you all for all your presentations we have about 10 minutes left in which time we have to make some decisions on the remote control concepts and i think you all have been self stimulating of working together we need to come up with some specifics of the components the materials things like making the decision on the energy and the case and the interface type things so let us right they want us to decide what form of energy are we going to use which the choices that we have discussed were pretty much battery kinetic or solar this is where kate is expertise comes in and our decision making will be a little bit guided by kate at this point the you were saying that the kinetic would be useful that is you just have to move it some and you would be able to use it as opposed to a battery that you have to either put it in a recharger or keep replacing the batteries or solar that you would have difficulty with it if it is a dark day that it will die on you and no way to do it that is the day you want to use the t v so what is our pleasure here what would be the cost consequences of each of the 3 0 unfortunately i do not have costing information okay i i in terms of workability i i think the the 2 front runners are the standard battery or the kinetic but i am sorry i do not figures on the difference in cost kay what is the feelings of the group on the kinetic i have used kinetic in terms of watches and it is very very handy you do not even notice that it is there it sounds great i have never come across it before but it sounds fantastic sounds like it could be g a really good economical it would make the whole thing a lot lighter more convenient it is it could tie in with the fanciful design as you know throw the banana you know just got to keep it moving yeah cause it is really a quite attractive thought is not it it is like yeah a good selling point so the consensus seems to be use the kinetic if it is at all possible be but it does depend how much it costs i mean how much it costs and how much more development and research it needs yeah and and how much you do have to keep it moving cause i am conscious that watching t v can be quite a sed sedentary activity yeah but i could market that as a as a a i was thinking actually a a cost saver down the road in terms of battery you know do your exercises while you are watching the t v yeah true yeah m more more environmentally friendly yeah that is what i was thinking as well yeah you know kind of the thanks for the reminder for 5 minutes to finish thanks the next thing that they wanted us to do was look at chip on print as a decision 0 right okay i would that that is something i maybe should have covered chip on print is just a manufacturing technique and i would certainly recommend it i think because i am not sure i have an alternative 0 okay i i it it is just the way that the the the th the way it is ac it is actually built and you you print onto the circuit board like you might print onto paper what about the ca yeah 0 the way we huh 0 okay what about the case i think they are talking there about do we want wood plastic titanium or rubber and i think we have discussed not having titanium one it is too expensive and 2nd it will not do this double curves we have sort of eliminated wood we said plastic or rubber what is the pleasure well if if sarah is keen on a spongy feel the the rubber that we are talking about is the same as you have in those little stress balls so it is yeah that is exactly what i was thinking i am sold what about you do you not think it might need like a kind of a hard plastic inner shell with the actual delicate workings inside and then a kind of spongy kind of like an internal egg cover yeah s thick spongy cover so it feels like the whole thing is spongy but actually you are not damaging anything by squeezing it huh plastic inside yeah because i mean you could just get carried away with the with the tac yeah i would i would need to talk to manufacturing again about whether that is actually possible but i agree it is sounds like a nice idea if it is yeah well you do get a bit carried away with things that are tactile you just want to stroke them and squeeze them and and with sports on television okay you know the next part they want is the user interface concept i su i should i should r i am sorry to push you but we only have a couple minutes to finish with then i will just say i support either from a marketing point of view i support either decision that the designers make on that okay and it says interface what type and what supplements just copy the one on the left no a scroll well like 4 buttons up down left and right with enter in the middle that will correspond to a menu on the screen which i think technically is just push button and i would certainly support that that that brings the cost down quite a lot and it is something that we are an ex the company is an expert on yeah i would like push buttons with so push buttons okay that is that this is going to sound weird but the next meeting starts in 30 minutes whew and they actually want a look and feel design user interface design you can look and see this as well as i can marketing they want product evaluation no it is still it is still plugged in on mine actually no we can not actually 0 0 my i am sorry that is why i was looking over your shoulder 0 okay sorry about that missed that one this ought to be fun trying to get this thing to work ah ta da now it has gone again ah you know i think the the company is s next project should to design a better overhead device that switches immediately yes because i can not even see mine next meeting starts in 30 minutes these are the individual actions 0 yes yeah right the look and feel design is for kate steph gets the user interface design you get product evaluation the 2 of you get to play with a pla modeling clay to do a prototype great and everybody gets individual instructions in the usual way sounds good anything else we need to do i do not think so go to it play doh and that is the end of this meeting that is for her benefit that is really all i got guys" ]

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[ "let us put that back there 0 let us put that back there 0 now it was up there and not here now it is here and not there and one more time it should come up the right way around up the right way around ah ah hi kate carry on all right this is the beginning of the 3rd meeting the conceptual design meeting our agenda should be that we are opening the meeting i have the minutes from the previous meeting are on the shared drive at this point and we should each have a presentation to make we have certain decisions to make and we have 40 minutes total it is 25 after 2 at the moment so 40 minutes is 5 after 3 which i will be keeping an eye on the clock for us okay they are the decisions we have to turn to but we will come back to them in a minute after i take us to the minutes of the previous meeting right as we remember i opened the meeting before us were present the 1st meeting is minutes were reviewed and proved sarah you presented a marketing research report which pretty much represented that 15 35 year olds has to be handheld power channel volume number keys possibly your speech recognition and then steph did the 2nd presentation that those functions plus streamlining them with big user friendly keys that were easy to use i think all of us agreed with those things kate presented a working design of going after going over the basics on the whiteboard that it should be a simple mass produced device because of the 125 pence cost but we did talk about possibly using rechargeable batteries and having a docking place as a selling and the new requirements that it be for tv only and that it include the slogan and color of the corporate design be included the corporate image so the corporate image so we we agreed that the target market would be 15 to 35 with more money than cents that were decision makers alternatively would be a manufacturer to enclose it with tv but it still should meet those parameters and the function we agreed was volume power numbers enter channels a way to move between channels easy to use and handheld at that point we agreed that sarah would look at the current cost of competition what do the current ones sell for and steph was going to look at ergonomics kate was going to look at cost and feasibility of the various possibilities that we discussed and i was to type up these minutes and work on the final report is this a fair presentation of what our last meeting was yes okay all right so we are ready to close that and go back to our that one right we are up to the point of the go back the 3 presentations so we are going to pull the plug on me turned to sarah is that okay is that right with everybody else yep especially since kate asked to be last sarah i am sorry if i misspelled your name i did not know what was s a r a or s r h you respond to whatever you get huh okay did you do your ah there it is there it is tada 1st thing i went to the best in this was that just had to this country to do that the student for the women to get okay thank you for the rest of the world for okay i am going to move on to my so i am glad to get a bit of the market and i am glad to see the marketing i am glad to see the marketing budget is being so well spent on place i know that you are always just having a lot of them talking about it so you are starting to see what is really interesting this is really interesting change from i think that is thinking about it over and some of the very and i think of her very much of what he wants in a remote control to perhaps think about incorporating technology and static and to the board of type into simple so i also have to be a little bit of a bit of a bit with a little bit more than what again is something trying to be able to be able to put in a lot of time such a thing fancy also about the fancy the making of the college out of in a few innovative place there is a place to put in a lot of here i think that they are just going to be back in a different because of the people maybe it is a different and you are talking about to do to back to the the kind of a different to the same these are weeks again pretty way you know the top 3 days i think you should put the i think that is a good idea i think that is a good idea thank you yes it sounds like the covers that they use for the remote you know your your cell phone exactly i am thinking that instead of having something fruit that they actually make these sponges they could be in the initial to have to be discovered fruit that when you see it is kind of a like a lot kind of like a tomato for pineapple and it could actually make me to take up a lot of things in the other ways and the limit of control is going to be as a change of this it could be able to spend for example and everyone can have that what we are talking about is changing this concept everyone has to be moving the world but then the other insight because you have the only need to use your feet that is the time so it is my remote is a remote in most families is not the remote is a remote but i think that this would allow that perhaps a person in terms of the same of the same of the same as a lot so when your dad is sitting there overriding your decision going no we are going to watch this you can bring out your own remote and be like is that are we going to watch this well actually some households do have 3 and 4 tvs and they would have a remote for each one so this is for an idea and i really open this up to really you know is scrunging what you are about it yeah i think we are going to have some trouble when we get down to to the component design spongy is going to be difficult i am afraid and as for as for well budgeting as well if we are going to have lots of different interchangeable components is this here to the market yeah i mean basically we can make these things out of wood titanium plastic or rubber i suppose rubber is the closest to spongy i was thinking titanium i was thinking titanium i was thinking it is just i have been influenced by pictures of ipods and they are also minimalist and shiny and they are they were supposed to like and like to be able to something something like to do is something like something that is are we talking about the device itself or a cover for the device that would be an interchangeable cover as a separate product well it would be a very simple product that would have on the screen and state yeah but it is kind of pointless that particular suggestion needs to go back to management and perhaps go to another group to actually design as a separate product let us delegate would that be agreeable yeah would it be helpful if i describe the components a bit because i think it would give you maybe bring this discussion back to earth of what we can actually physically do yeah maybe do you want it be next or do you want kate to go next i think possibly it might be more useful if kate went next okay okay you can even have them in different flavors as well so if you just want to sit there and chew on the remote it could be like pear flavor yeah scratch and sniff right well i think some of this you are going to be a little disappointed with some of the things i have to tell you but i am afraid this is the real world so i have been looking at the basics of how these devices actually have to work in order to operate and i have had some discussions with the manufacturing division who have told me what is actually available what the current state of the art in components is and some of the exciting new things they have got but i am not sure that it is quite what you want this is not a very good overhead but this is just to show you this is the innards of a remote control i really need a pen or something but does my mouse work now 0 yeah can you see my little mouse pointer this is a remote that has been opened up up and that is the back of the interface and this is a push button one so you see these little little buttons here they are little rubber rubber buttons that go through onto the board at the back and they push these buttons here and we that is the basic construction that we have got to got to accommodate we have got to have something that pushes the little buttons that talk to the chip that encodes the message that sends the message to the receiver so i want to go through not just addressing the the points that you made sarah but doing my presentation in the order i wrote it so 1st of all i want to talk about what possibilities we have got for the energy source we can have your bog standard double a batteries replaceable little compartment we can have a hand a wind up wind up yeah which i think it is quite an interesting concept for a remote control but it maybe is does not quite go with the the fruit and veg all right one that i think is quite interesting is the kinetic energy source where you actually get the energy by moving the device which is kind of like a nice and neat one you have to it means that if it is sitting there for a long time it probably will not work but you have to sort of throw it between your hands every now or we had talked about solar power but i think we agree that that is not so good in the dark now i am afraid this is the options we have got on the case it can be made of plastic rubber would if you like or titanium and the nearest we have got to spongy there i guess it is rubber but i am going to come back to the advantage of titanium and basically it can have a flat surface a curved surface or a double curved surface but i think if we want to use standard components we are going to have difficulty with anything much beyond that okay what does the interface look like well push button that is the one we are all familiar with we can have scroll buttons and the scroll button can incorporate a push so you can have it like on a mouse where you can use it to go up and down change volume or channel or something like that and push to select something you can have multiple scroll buttons this is maybe getting a little bit complicated but the technology is there we can also incorporate an lcd display in the remote but this will increase the cost the electronics actually makes the device work we have basically got 3 simple regular advance and the price goes up as we choose each of this if we want the nice cheap one the simple then we can only have push buttons all the other fancy interface designs go out the window i am afraid a little bit more for a regular chip and you can have scroll buttons if you want the advanced chip it obviously costs more but that is what you need if you want the lcd display and the manufacturing division tell me that they have recently developed sample sensor sample speaker devices now i do not know what that is but i think they think it is quite important and we might want to incorporate it somewhere our real expertise is in push buttons i have to say that maybe you think that is old technology and well i think we have got 2 options we can either go for a really cheap model people the costs down which it means a flat plastic case with an ordinary battery and simple push buttons or we can have something that looks a bit nicer i think it might necessarily look like a pineapple but that may or may not be a good thing but it could have an lcd screen and it could have multiple scroll buttons and it could have the company is new development of the sample sensor speaker so thank you yeah i am afraid i do not have that information available manufacturing did not actually give attach any prices to any of this i am afraid bear in mind it has to be the colors and styles of the company so what i had been thinking was something chunky and yellow and plastic with black buttons with a logo on it but i do not know how important that is to keep it exactly the colors of the real reaction company it is just what i had understood be going that is before i heard about all this hot tips for the future fruit rise we could we could do a double curved rubber one which would allow say a banana but unfortunately i see from my notes that if we do that we have to have a push as the interface we can not do a little fancier so we wait till i have showed you what well my extensive presentation on what sort of interfaces are available thank you thank you kate you did seem to include just in more detail what i have got though so someone is a bit pointless right fn and f 8 did this yes i do not have it on there we go i do not have it on mind though to get it keep doing it until you get it in both you get it there you get it yours you get it with both just to do it again just to do it again yeah yeah this time it should come up both right then i do not actually have a huge amount of different information than what you said but my method was to look at the well my inspirations which was a big collection of lots of different models of remote control remote controls and other things that use a similar sort of thing including mp 3 players like you know hi fi remotes not just television these things having to think about the features of each one is what functions we actually need and then how to group and arrange these on the actual the actual plastic or rubber handheld piece i have been especially interested in the ipod style scroll wheel which right i could not find the picture of the ipod that only linked to a web browser so i could not copy and paste it but it had a similar thing to this thing on the right it has scroll wheels without without a display but they scroll like a computer mouse so i was thinking that a really simple a really simple interface with just a couple of scroll things on it and then instead of a display the display could appear on the television screen like i guess an existing sky or cable one does like you know you press enter and it comes up with what is showing on that channel at the moment and you can do it you can scroll along and it will show you what is on in the next half hour and you scroll up and you can see what is on the other channels while you are watching while you are watching the same channel on the screen but i have also eagerly taken with this chunky plastic kiddie remote which is really nice and fun and good to hold and nice big easy buttons to press but still quite simple and quite cost effective so what seems kind of kind of ideal for me would be to just have a fairly simple i mean not fancy but not totally minimalist i mean just pretty simple plastic probably i was thinking yellow and black just because that is the company is colors with very very few buttons but that would correspond to a screen that would appear on the television screen like you know just small along the bottom instead of having the ipod style display screen on the actual remote which is far too expensive and when you have got a screen sitting there in front of you you might as well have it appearing on the screen in front of you it does not obscure much of the actual picture you are watching and so on that you can just much in the same way as an existing sky remote scroll along scroll up and down yeah i would certainly support that idea and i definitely support the use of plastic and or rubber i mean titanium would be great but i think it might be a bit too expensive and too kind of spacey if we are trying to keep it colorful and slightly organic then titanium is too futuristic it is difficult to make fancy shapes in it as well we can not for example have a double curved case in titanium unfortunately whereas the plastic so cheap and easy and moldable and everything else and having the screen on the television screen i think is a good idea because otherwise we are putting up the price not only for building the lcd in but for the electronics as well and it is a little bit pointless as well i think when you have got the screen there it does not have to be anything fancy just a little menu just a little menu showing yeah a menu you go into a menu and then you can have you different options whether you want to change the settings or the information about program that is on at the moment i do not think that is too taxing to engineer but as for actually arranging them let me go back to the picture of the kiddie one and i quite like it because it is just smooth and handheld and it has got these easily reachable buttons are quite nicely spaced out so something a bit like that with buttons arranged in a kind of circle up down left right you will not scroll buttons in that as well i was thinking not actually scroll like a mouse scroll but you know i can not quite describe it i think right you see on the one on the right down at the bottom is the mouse yeah see where the mouse is like this style thing where you have up down left and right right and enter in the middle so you pick your menu and then your different options and when you click on each one you can go into a new menu for that i am getting a bit specific here really would have to use something to show you i think that is a clean design it is playing to our strengths which are in push button technology do you think i can get it up on the screen here we go well the ipod spinning wheel is really complicated it does scroll but it is hugely complicated what else have we got then they are terrible but they all have this feature of this it is not quite a scroll wheel but it is a selection yeah it is a kind of selection in this circle which i think is a really good idea but we can implement it with simple brush weapons yeah which is much cheaper like up down left and right which is good and then and then yeah so i mean either so i mean either a channel up and down volume up and down next appearing programs up and down and then also when you get to the different menus on the screen it has got the things like settings and contrast up and down so all you really need is these 4 buttons with the enter in the middle okay 0 that is really nice almost impossible to misplace or lose might take up your whole living room we could actually do it in rubber instead of plastic if you would rather just if you like the sponge or call it a banana i would have it in yellow okay yeah so something else i need to bring to your attention is have you seen these on a remote this is actually the volume up and down but they both say v on them which when you 1st look at it you expect that to be the down because it looks like a downward pointing arrow but it is actually the v to indicate that it is the volume so we do need to avoid little ambiguities like these but we would not have a specific volume up and down if we are having this scroll wheel then it is going to double up as all the other up and down functions okay i want to thank you all for all your presentations we have about 10 minutes left in which time we have to make some decisions on the remote control concepts and i think you all have been self stimulating of working together we need to come up with some specifics of the components the materials things like making the decision on the end energy and the case and the interface type things so let us right they want us to decide what form of energy are we going to use which the choices that we have discussed were pretty much battery kinetic or solar this is where kate is expertise comes in and our decision making will be a little bit guided by kate at this point you were saying that the kinetic would be useful that is you just have to move it someone you would be able to use it as opposed to battery that you have to either put it in a rechargeer or keep replacing batteries or solar that you would have difficulty with it if it is a dark day that it will die on you and no way to do it that is the day you want to use the tv so what is our pleasure here what would be the cost consequences of each of the 3 well unfortunately i do not have costing information okay in terms of workability i think the 2 frontrunners are the standard battery or the kinetic i am sorry i do not have figures on the difference in cost what is the feelings of the group on the kinetic it sounds great i have never come across it before but it sounds fantastic sounds like it could be really good economical it would make the whole thing it would make the whole thing a lot lighter more convenient yeah because it is really quite attractive thought is not it it is like yeah so the consensus seems to be used to kinetic if it is at all possible but it does depend how much it costs i mean how much it costs and how much more development and research it needs and how much you do have to keep it moving it is conscious that watching tv can be quite a sedentary activity do your exercises while you are watching the tv yeah more environmentally friendly yeah that is what i was thinking as well thanks for the reminder for 5 minutes to finish thanks the next thing that they wanted us to do was look at chip on print as a as a decision 0 right okay that is something i maybe should have covered chip on print is just a manufacturing technique 0 and i would certainly recommend it i think because i am not sure i have an alternative okay what about the key 0 the way we progress on the way it is actually built it is actually built and you print onto the circuit board like you might print onto paper 0 okay what about the case i think they are talking there about do we want wood plastic titanium or rubber and i think we have discussed not having titanium one it is too expensive and the 2nd it will not do this double curves we have sort of eliminated wood who said plastic or rubber what is the pleasure well if sir is keen on a spongy feel the rubber that we are talking about is the same as you have in those little stress balls what about you do you not think it might need like a kind of a hard plastic inner shell with the actual delicate workings inside and then a kind of spongy color cover yeah it feels like the whole thing spongy but actually you are not damaging anything by plastic inside because i mean you could just get carried away with manufacturing again about whether that is actually possible but i agree it sounds like a nice idea if it is you do get a bit carried away with things that are tactile you just want to stroke them and squeeze them okay the next part they one is the user interface concept i am sorry to push you but we only have a couple minutes to finish okay and it says interface what type and what supplements just copy the one on the left no school well like 4 buttons up down left and with enter in the middle that will correspond to a menu on the screen which i think technically is just push button and i certainly support that that makes the cost down quite a lot and it is something that we are in it the company is an expert on so push buttons okay that is that this is going to sound weird but the next meeting starts 30 minutes and they actually want a look and feel design user interface design you can look and see this as well as i can marketing they want product evaluation 0 it is still plugged in on mine 0 my i am sorry 0 okay sorry about that miss that one this ought to be fun trying to get this thing to work ah ta da that is going again ah ah you know i think the company is its next project should design a better overhead device yes because i can not even see mine next meeting starts in 30 minutes these are the individual actions yeah right the look and feel design field design is for kate steph gets the user interface design you get product evaluation the 2 of you get to play with a modeling play to do a prototype and everybody gets individual instructions in the usual way anything else we need to do i do not know go to it and that is the end of this meeting that is for her benefit" ]

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[ "that should hopefully do the trick kay sorry about the small delay falling a little bit behind schedule and that is 1525 okay so just to try and roughly go over what we agreed in the last one we are going to go for something how was it the new black i believe something that looks good cause that seems to be in preference to actual functionality in the end though we should never avoid functionality of course many of our components are going to be standard off the shelf but it seemed like we were going to require at least an advanced chip and we were still very much for the idea of using an l c d display other things were we were hoping to use rubber most likely going to be double curved etcetera okay so due to your hard work we might as well let the 2 designers go 1st and show us the prototype okay it is a quite how the best way to do this is i am not sure but i think if we both step up and outline our ideas okay now do doing the prototype gave us a bit more insight into the ergonomics of the design for one thing it turned out that the only point at which it needs to be articulated for handedness is is h i is down here for the l e d as it turned out the whole thing transfers from the right to left hand fairly well from the point of view of operating the function buttons and joystick though it might be an idea to be able to a adjust the positions for the base of the joystick just a little bit for okay ju just a thought you could simply have a slightly ovoid shaped joystick that could then just be turn twisted round so that the sticky so that the bit that sticks out a bit more is on one side or the other but as you as you see with the with holding it in the left hand the l the l c d is nowhere useful so that would need to be articulated if we are going to retain ergonomic design now i i got your note about keeping the cost down i am afraid yeah yeah we will go into that a bit more but please go on this design could be done with with plastic casing though i would recommend around the grip part here in the middle having maybe just a rubber grip over that which would allow for a slightly more sort of bio morphic form and a bit more ergonomic as well as for the as for the single curve well this edge and this edge like i say it would be nice to have some curvature to it but it is not absolutely necessary really the curve that is most needed is the underside so that the jo so that the joystick rests over the the edge of the hand like this and you have the transmitter here and a wee speaker for the for the for the fi for the remote control finder so any further comments obviously it is going to be bulkier than how it looks because it is going to be flat on one side so the l c d will be s sticking down like this will not it yeah cause it you can not get it curved because of costs yeah i mean the yeah and it is plastic as well so it will not be as comfortable on the hand yeah i mean with the with the rubber design it could i you know it could pretty much mold very much to the to the user is hand one nice wee feature if we could if we could still do the rubber i though of was to have the rubber extend beyond the end of the of the rigid substructure so it has a wee sort of tail that you just drape over your wrist so it stays in position nicely lovely yeah okay yeah great right yeah i have got a if you load up my evaluation document yeah okay okay excellent work evaluation basic point have a list of criteria that we need to rate the prototype by then we will it is a 7 s 7 7 step kinda evaluation process so not 7 steps 7 scale so after we have finished doing all the ratings for each criteria we average that and that will give us some type of confidence in our prototype and the criteria based on real reactions kinda goals and policies marketing strategies and also those i put together from the user requirements phase kay if you flip the so those are the criteria and perhaps i could have put em a bit better but you notice a few things that we have totally abandoned which means that the product will score very badly on some of those points put it mildly so we have true one t 780 4th okay so we have to go through each point if we imagine it is actually straight and just give it a a score so how well would you say the prototype is how well have we realized the dream of being able to stop remotes from from being lost or to be able to find them once they are lost i mean is the homing thing still the locator is that still yeah that is still part of the design sure and adam we can keep that in yeah i believe so so i mean i do not think anybody could actually stop a remote being lost cause that would mean doing something about the human element okay sure but i would like to think that we have done something about finding the damn thing once we have t sure and making it a bright color helps with the personally i would have gone for purple bright color so we still have that noise thing yeah os on a scale of one to 7 how would you guys rate it for finding finding it once it is lost i would say number one number one one yeah okay number number one for the 1st criteria i think w if it was just the sounder then th i mean something i have found with w w with say tr trying to find a cordless phone or a m mobile you can hear it but you can not quite pin it dow pin down where it is yeah you can tell what room the mobile is what about what if the the volume on the t v is turned up massively and you just want to turn down the volume can not find remote bu suppose you have to go to the t v and do it manually yeah yeah yeah like y you would not hear the speaker just before we go through all of the steps here well what we will do is you want to say something if we can look at the criteria you are going to evaluate and then we will come back to the product evaluation if that is alright that is fine yeah is that 0 that is that is fine so is there anything here that you that you wanted to cover as in the criteria that you have covered and then we will come back pretty much promptly to this what do you mean cr is there anything i want to i is there any of these criteria that need any explaining or is there anything that yous thought tha really would stand out compared to the others a few something i neglected from my initial research is that real reactions has a a goal strategy that all of the products be inspired by material fashion and clothing fashion that is why fruit and veg being popular in the home and in clothing was important and they want all their products to be somehow inspired by current trends in fashion so they say we put the fashion in electronics well they really mean it they they are very big on fashion so okay that is this bit right here and this bit is this one easy to use for visitors or for anybody i guess it is just the same as saying easy to use interface so it is kinda condensed into one and we can come back to it you said so okay no and which we will do very very shortly okay slight problem we had was that we have an amazing €4 over budget for what we were hoping to do most of it stems from the use of the l c d which i think in the end accounted for about half of our expenditure because of course we required a chip as well the only way to get this down was either to ditch the a l c d at which point we have removed a large part of how we were going to interface require more buttons etcetera or what we did was that we we as in i as i was quickly going over it was altering the actual structure changing it to plastic and a solid unit with a single curve design would allow us to come back into the proposed costs and we are just scraping it in we have got 2 of a euro left over there so we are just managing it really even then as well there was no criteria technically defined for a joystick so i have used what i think is appropriate with any luck that will not mean that we have incurred more cost than we can actually afford to it blows a lot of our really good ideas kind of slightly to one side for example the possibility of having a u s b connection is definitely not viable now different languages that should still be viable we have got an advanced chip we have got the use of the l c d so being able to communicate in multiple languages is still very much a possibility yeah but what is something we need to decide on is how we are going to go from here we do need to try and come up with an idea which could be continued with other people if need be we can i can bring the excel up sheet up and show you if you wish i really think as m much as it pains me is that we might have to go with plastic and some kind of solid design possibly meaning that the l c d would not be in this perfect place it might be s stuck like slightly between what would be good for left handed and what would be good for a right handed person i suppose 01 thing that could be done is h is have it circular and have it s so that the the pink actually goes a bit over the pinkie finger okay so that th it very much is about making concessions unfortunately do you have any data on how much different prints cost i mean can you get the entire thing printed with a design b b b da is you mean on the plastic or let us have a look you now have as much information as i do yeah yeah so as you can see here for example the battery really not very little choice in that one we have gone for one of the cheaper options as well unfortunately we require the advanced chip if we are going to do what we are needing to i have said single curved we really do need it to be that way for the ergonomics of it plastic for some reason incurs no cost which i have had to very much make advantage of despite the fact that rubber is only got a value of €2 per unit problem comes here as you can see in the interface if i have read this thing correctly then we can save 5 of a euro here in that it is not per push button that might make sense because then a numeric keypad would come in at what €45 which is an awful lot so that could well be wrong even if we save 5 there it would just mean that we are most likely placing it in actually just gaining a color for the unit which has had to be put to one side as you can see the use of an l c display advanced chip and what would determine the scroll wheel here as well because it is an integrated scroll scroll wheel push button that was not quite what i think they had in mind with a joystick why would why would that be more expensive than an individual push button and scroll wheel together that is quite significantly expensive i that is something you will have to take up with the bean counters yeah as you can see i mean that is taken up well over half of the price yeah so i am very much open to suggestions of where we go but because we need to shed what was €4 off of the the price of for what we really desired this one comes in under price as you can see but this was the one that sacrificed the material for the case and for the actual case design we do not even have speakers here the like we what about speakers and transmitters and stuff like that have we factored that in no we have not not transmitter receiver speakers plus the extra device itself that is going to be on a t v is that going to be a button or that will it literally would just be a button yeah that is too expensive is not it we might have to it looks like almost nothing 0 good call i missed that i i mean it is not on here but that is a very valid point did they s do we have to use an advanced chip for the l c d yeah okay well that is yeah so if we are going to go with the l c display then that is what is a hand dyna dynamo you have to wind it up i believe so yeah that would probably not be in keeping with the the fashion statement and such yeah technology fashion yeah okay so basically the only new thing is the l c d on the remote now being manipulated by the joystick yeah 0 and joystick yeah which i am defining as scroll wheel and we could not replace the joystick right because we would need 4 extra buttons to replace it up down left and right and that would be more expensive than a but is a scroll wheel not just back and forward yeah it is just because there was no actual definition for what a joystick might be that that is what i have labeled it for the purposes of this evaluation so the l c d basically is the big selling point of if we remove the l c display we could save ourselves the remote a fair amount which you could but that is what makes it original though is not it yeah i think if we remove the the l c display then there was absolutely no point to any of these meetings and we just we could just put our branding on any other remote control yeah yeah k it is a shame we should possibly have if we could have increased the price we could have manufactured that and we could have got something far closer to what we were hoping to does this does this bear in mind that i mean it is a bit ridiculous that they are going to charge us what is it like this much money for 3000000 if we are going to buy 3000000 components you know again you will have to argue with the accountants on that one but for the purposes of this meeting i am we are going to have to stick with these figures kay so i would say that it would seem like the general opinion is we are going to keep the l c display cause it is about what really separates us i think so despite the cost it is going to incur are people maybe not happy with but are willing to go ahead with this in going for a plastic solid case to keep the l c d yeah i mean one thing i mean ho how much extra would it be to to keep i mean keep the the articulation it is hard to tell i would say that you are at least going to take double curved and even then i am not quite sure if that is incorporating the idea of articulation this is what i am wondering yeah 0 no i think i i it d that it need not require it to be double curved it can be s yeah it can still be single curved but it is it is just it is just it is just that the case would come in t would be made in 2 parts and then joined together with an articulation you just single curved with articulation could we could we not get rid of the curvy the curvous the curvaceousness and focus on the menu being the best interface cause like we do we have re restrictions on software that is what we need for the joystick i think though 0 but there has to be yeah i mean and i mean the i mean if you look if you look closer at the at the prototype here the lines here along the grip are actually quite straight i mean yeah on the on the l c d i mean although we have done it with a curve it could just as easily be done without curves but the curves all 0 over hand is it the curve that is really needed is up here joystick to put to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position for it to have it rest on the top of the hand okay sure okay my bad we would not actually save a lot by reducing it anyway so i mean for the purposes of this meeting maybe we can state that single curve still allows articulation unless we hear otherwise we could go ahead with that proposal so i think the product is not going to perform so well for my criteria which is what we can get onto now as long as so are we going to say w we have to keep an eye on the time as well but we are going to say single curved design 0 wait a minute sample speaker what is a sample speaker is that somewhat similar to what we want it could well be but at a cost of no that is that voice response thing that we got the email about costs 4 yeah but i thought it was just completely pointless you got a email about voice response yeah i did not so alright b i basically it was saying that our labs had come up with a chip that you could you know say hello to and it would say hello back in a friendly female voice okay yeah we will definitely will not go with that one we will not go with that one did you say i mean i we yeah that is voice recognition so okay okay so okay yeah battery definitely so it looks like we are going to get rid of the whole loca locator thing it looks like it unless we can manage to put it in under 2 yeah okay okay maybe even slight well 0 yeah pretty much 2 i would say so we will leave that one for now we will just have are we going for a special color at all it is a case of i am slightly unsure one5 of a euro for one push button does not sound quite right so maybe it is a case of a push button is maybe one or more well i was for a case at which point if or had you already incorporated that 0 special color for the case well you got 5 there it is literally a case of whether or not this is correct i am not quite sure if they are i do not think they mean 5 per button okay well l let us say that and then we can have our special colored case and then we at least have make it a little harder to lose so there we go because most m most remotes are a fairly dingy color that gets camouflaged under any pile of crap in a living room w what is the default color white or black black is probably the normal color you would say yeah or gray right i quite like that color that you are fetching there it is definitely for make it glow in the dark even better yellow yeah so will we go with that then okay yeah it is not and we can see we will come back to your evaluation which you are probably now going to pan us but there we go sure okay okay so just to give you an idea you want to go maybe a bit quickly as well i am not sure how much time we have not hit the 5 minute mark warning yet but right okay okay think it is 10 minutes left 10 kay ability to stop remotes from being lost or to find them once they are lost okay special color special color 4 4 3 3 if we are being generous i feel 3 i think we can do 3 3 th the special color does not would i think make a difference think we are being generous here with 3 it makes it stand out from you know it is lost in a big pile of crap it stands out from the rest of the crap yeah okay okay reduce the number of unused buttons we are down to t 2 buttons is it 2 buttons 2 buttons and a joystick okay so that is a one you know where that is totally yeah i would say we are doing well there okay that was good easy to use interface buttons menu menus that is yeah that is good kay that is we are not doing so badly easy to use 0 okay let us forget that one fancy looking as he models the it does not get much fancier sure and we could do whatever we like with the l l c d yeah let us just assume it is a good l c d display maybe i was panicking for no reason are we going one on i would say we go 2 cause like f the fanciest would be the double curved yeah w maybe you would be a bit too yeah would not it i would yeah with the articulators there we go yeah that is m with bells on it that is that is better too more accurate numbers technologically innovative well we are getting rid of the locator thing which which yeah which is a shame i would give it a 3 for this for that no need for teletext yeah i mean the menus thing is something you do not normally see on on a remote but you see it in a lot of other places kay yeah mobile phones and y what you are doing is moving the menu from the television to the remote control so it is you say 3 i might go as far as 2 on that 3 i would give it a 3 i would be tempted with 3 yeah 3 okay okay we will get panned on the next one anyway materials that people find pleasing sponginess is what they really would have wanted apparently yeah w it is yeah do not blame them because of the way that we have minimalised the number of buttons and such yeah plastic it sucks but it is no worse than any of the other pl remote controls we have that is true it is not a step backwards 5 6 i would s i i would give it a 6 to be honest 6 yeah okay let us give it a 6 okay that is totally thrown everything off balance inspired by the latest interior and clothing fashion w we could what color were we going to make it put a leopard print on it well i i i would sa i would say give a s give a selection of colors we went with yellow we went with yellow for the prototype cause we had yellow i know but if i were buying one i would go for purple leopard print would be cool but by this i think it is more a case of fruit and veg yeah we got to i would say the color of the border there world you would find that that is that would stand out yeah like yellow yeah it would also help keep the the product placement s yeah logo brand kay but is it inspired by clothing fashion th th they are referring to the fruit and veg thing is this like a banana type color could we stretch no still it is not shaped like a banana is yes it is kind 0 it probably that is kinda i it will not be when it has been 0 is that cause it is flat budgeted what is what fruit or veg is flat i i think s i i think this is not not particularly fruit and veggie yeah or we might have to suffer badly for this one as well yellow courgette well i mean it is probably more fruit and veg than most other things out there bar fruit and veg so what 4 4 0 that is it is very ambitious yeah is that being too generous i would i would i do not think fruit and veg is the sole criterion 0 dear sure is the sole criterion for being fashion fashionable or inspired by current fashions inspired by i would g i would rate i would rate this fairly highly from that point of view actually well this this what we are going to t this is their motto like yeah and we are we are not doing well on it this is their strategy i m imagine we actually had some money invested in this and the amount that we invest is going to be proportional to the marks might we might want to be a bit more skepible skeptical about this one what would you think yourself i would say i mean it is it is not at all right in any way or shape or form we did not m well it is kind of curved and we can make it yellow and that is pretty much banana like okay the the yellow banana like thing is i think is okay si it has got a curve to it right 5 is that sound reasonable am i do you think i am stretching the the use of the banana yeah i will go with 5 5 yeah kay so we have 1234567 so 57101621 which gives us an average of 3 it is well this would be in the middle so we it is it is not bad it is in the good section it is not bad and considering the do not pick the pen oops sorry i am i am sorry y 0 and you have knocked batteries out right okay it is considering the price we had to get this in is bad design that thing to have a positive you know even based on the 4 of us being heavily biased yeah it was going to be quite hard to get anything standing out i would say possibly based on the the cost features yeah even if we were to increase this entire thing by by 7 we were to go down a grade to to 4 we would have to do i mean we did not we were not that kinda optimistic too optim overly optimistic you know like we did not we did not add we did not subtract a whole 7 points from these things so i think we are definitely on the good bit even if we gave this 17 and this 17 that is still only 3 extra points over 7 you know it is yeah we did it w it was okay it was good personally i think given that the product only replaces a single remote control that you have already got are people really going to shell out €25 for something that is only marginally good well it depends who your who is what the target people are like you would say maybe the fashion conscious maybe it has been targeted women would be going 0 look at that is cool it looks like a it is yellow looks like a banana it is cool it has got to look good in the sitting room hide it in the fruit basket rather than the l c d whereas more technical like like more people in with the latest technology it is good it has got an l c d screen is only got 2 buttons and a joystick so which which kind of people would be more likely to buy it probably the people technologically they are usually the ones that buy pointless stuff i think so i mean my mum still has not learnt how to use text messaging on her phone and she is had it for a long time you know she uses it to make phone calls and that is it yeah so i think if sh if my mum saw a remote control like this with only 2 buttons and a joystick i mean that will probably be the 1st one she decides not to buy you know she would be like is this a remote control i do not how do you use it and stuff like that so even if it is really user friendly to us but we are used to using menus all the time i s i suppose one thing is that b because it is technically innovative for someone who is sort of technophobic the fact that it simply looks unfamiliar would be daunting yeah yeah i think it is totally radical to have a remote control with no no numbered buttons yeah yeah yeah but like radical good maybe okay do not know how lo much longer we have got at least 5 minutes i think quickly we will pop onto project evaluation so we have got these 4 criteria here for satisfaction does anybody want to do you have any opinions on any of them for example we will work backwards i suppose the ability to work on this project using the technology we have been presented with people made good use of the pen and paper i would say wrote nearly a page but not yeah got notes and doodles yeah i am not quite sure what the advantage for us using a digital pen might be i think tracking well i think this is a i think the digital pen is mostly for the benefit of the of the researchers studying this it is all p goes into their corpus though it would have been nice to be able to transfer the it must transfer our n our paper notes onto the computer ourselves yeah that would have been pretty good it does seem like the paper is still a heavy consideration for taking notes so maybe this is literally just a way around it i dunno how are people satisfied with the teamwork we have managed to display today good i would yeah i liked it yeah leadership as much as can be leadered in this thing very good i li yeah top marks last one we have got is room for creativity well yeah now i think we got unti until until accounts came along squish we are burs bursting with creativity we we are not lacking in ideas you know it is that was not the problem yeah i think of in the end ideas that can be used sadly not so much that we were not full of ideas but of ones that are going to allow us to actually build the thing it is a bit of a pity i would have to agree on that i think we needed a larger budget yeah if you are going to aim your a product maybe at the technological kind of sector then you can afford to maybe jack the price up slightly from what it is because they will pay outrageous cash to yeah i mean i th i mean i think to r retaining the s the more sort of bio morphic form in the articulation would gain more in s would gain more profit in sales than it would lose in 1st on the market in added expense and the price was like it was twice the w assembly cost and would it have to be twice that it could be like could have had the assembly like maybe €15 it could even we will still settle for 25 that is true yeah maybe i suppose these are all that will have to be taken up with a at a different group at i guess as to a the costs involved but i mean we have got a a prototype such as it is so i dunno i i think it has gone okay today considering the information that we have had at our disposal and such maybe the counts wou would have been better if we had a list or more yeah to begin with in the beginning yeah yeah probably would have mean we could have come up with a lot more solid design in the end i would have to agree yeah it is very much a pity to get so far into the stage and then find out that maybe some of your ideas are just a bit too expensive always hard to tell until you know the costs okay are the costs within budget well they are now that we have our slightly less than capable product okay we have evaluated it and we can say that we came out with a value of 3 yeah actually i want th one thing i would say i mean something that could perhaps be part of the product the m product testing market research process would be to produce mock ups of both versions and see just how much of a difference the over going over budget m would make to sales it is yeah and like response from consumers and we could even you know market 2 versions wee cheapie version with the nice bio morphic rubber and then the final one where you get to call it hal sure but we will go into that later yes right is there anything else that anybody would like to to add anything they think that is not been covered before i quickly write up a final report i dunno i mean we have got a product we maybe are not as happy with it as we would like to be but we have got something we think we can maybe stick onto the the market and sell and of course something we have been avoiding talking about cause of we have no information is selling them directly to the manufacturers yeah there is a huge market i mean we have briefly touched on it but we have no more knowledge then there is little we can say on that yeah yeah so unless anybody has got anything they would like to add we can maybe round this up slightly earlier than we would need to and then we can finish up the writing and such and i can get my bus yeah okay yeah okay let us thank you for your participation thank you thank you i was actually kind of upset you know at the budget and that we had to cut a lot of stuff it is like man we we can not have the locator thing and s yeah that is just bad do you think maybe the prices were were made that a question we can ask" ]

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[ "that should hopefully do her trick sorry about in a small delay i am falling a little bit behind schedule okay so just to try and roughly go over what we agreed in the last one we are going to go for something how was it the new black i believe something that looks good because that seems to be in preference to actual functionality in the end but we should never avoid functionality of course many of our components are going to be standard off the shelf but it seemed like we were going to require at least an advanced chip and we were still very much for the idea of using an lcd display other things where we were hoping to use rubber most likely going to be double curved etc okay so due to your hard work we might as well let the 2 designers go 1st and show us the prototype quite how the best way to do this is i am not sure but i think we both step up and outlayer idea okay now doing the prototype gave us a bit more insight into the ergonomics of the design for one thing it turned out that the only point at which it needs to be articulated for handedness is is down here for the led as it turned out the whole thing transfers from the right to left hand fairly well from the point of view of operating the function buttons in joystick though it might be an idea to be able to adjust the position of the base of the joystick just a little bit okay or actually just a thought you could simply have a slightly oval ovoid shaped joystick they could then just be twisted round so that the sticky so that the bit that sticks out a bit more is on one side of the other but as you see with the holding it in the left hand the lcd is nowhere useful so that would need to be articulated if we are going to retain our ergonomic design i got your note about keeping the costs down i will go into that bit more this design could be done with a plastic casing though i would recommend around the grip part here in the middle having maybe just a rubber grip over that which would allow for a slightly more of a biomorphic form and a bit more ergonomic as well as for the single curve well this edge and this edge like i say it would be nice to have some curvature to it but it is not absolutely necessarily really the curve that is most needed is the underside so that the joystick rests over the edge of the hand like this i have the transmitter here you know for the remote control finder any further comment obviously it is going to be bulkier than how it looks because it is going to be flat in one side so that also be really sticking down like this right because you can not get a curve yeah i mean that is of course and it is plastic as well so it will not be as comfortable on the hand i mean with the rubber design it could you know it could pretty much mold very much to the user is hand one nice view feature if we could still do the rubber i thought it was to have the rubber extend beyond the end of the rigid substructure so it has a wee sort of tail you just drape over your wrist so it stays in position nice thing yeah yeah okay yeah great yeah i have got a few load up my evaluation yeah okay yeah well welcome excellent work evaluation evaluation basic point i have a list of criteria that we need to rate their prototype by then we will it is a 7 step kind of evaluation process so not 7 steps 7 scale so after we finished doing all the ratings for each criteria we averaged that and that will give us some type of confidence in our prototype and the criteria all based on real reactions kind of you know goals and policies marketing strategies and also those are put together from the user requirements phase if you put the so those are the criteria perhaps i could have put them a bit better but you notice a few things that we have totally abandoned which means that the product will score very badly on some of those points minutes but it might be so we have true 178 ok so we have to go through we imagine it is actually straight and just give it a school so how well would you say the approach prototype is how well we realize the dream of being able to stop remotes from being lost or to be able to find them once they lost i mean is the homing thing still the locator yeah that is still part of the design sure and adam we can keep that in yeah i believe so so i mean i do not think anybody could actually stop a remote being lost because that would mean doing something about human element sure but i would like to think that we have done something about finding the damn thing once we are doing dancing once we have sure and making it a bright color helps me but personally i would have gone for purple right color so we still have that noise being on a scala one to 7 how would you guys rate it for finding it once it is lost i would say number one number one yeah okay number one for the 1st criteria i think if it was just the sounder then the and there is something i found with trying to find a cardless phone or mobile you can hear it you can not quite pin it down where it is you can tell what the mobile is what about the volume and tv is turned up massively and it is when i turn out of the volume you can not find the mouth i suppose you have to go to the tv and do it manually yeah like you would not hear that it just before we go through all of the steps you want to say that yeah well what we will do is if we can look at the criteria you are going to evaluate and then we will come back to the product evaluation if that is all right that is fine yeah that is fine so is there anything here that you that you wanted to cover as in the criteria that you have covered and then we will come back pretty much properly to this what does you mean is there any if these criteria need any explaining or is there anything that you thought that really would stand out compared to the others a few something i neglected from my initial research is that roe reactions has a goal a strategy that all of their products be inspired by interior fashion and clothing fashion that is why fruit and veg being popular in the home and in clothing was important and they want all their products to be somehow inspired by current trends in fashion so they say we put the fashion in electronics where they really mean it they are very big on fashion so okay that is this bit right here and this bit is this one easy to use for visitors or for anybody i guess it is just the same as saying easy to use interface so kind of condensed into one and we can come back to it you said so okay no and which we will do very very shortly okay slight problem we had was that we have an amazing €4 over budget for what we were hoping to do most of it stems from the use of the lcd which i think in the end accounted for about half of our extended trip because of course we required a chip as well the only way to get this down was either to ditch the lcd at which point we removed a large part of how we were going to interface we require more buttons etc or what we did was that we as an eye as i was as i as i was going over it was altering the actual structure structure changing it to the plastic and a solid unit with a single curve design would allow us to come back into the proposed costs and we are just scraping it in we have got 02 of a euro left over there so we are just managing it really even then as well there was no criteria technically defined for a joystick so i have used what i think is appropriate with any luck that will not mean that we have incurred more cost than we can actually afford to it blows a lot of our really good ideas kind of slightly to one side for example the possibility of having a usb connection is definitely not valuable now different languages that should still be viable we have got an advanced chip we have got the use of the lcd so being able to communicate in multiple languages is still very much a possibility but what is something we need to decide on is how we are going to go from here we do need to try and come up with an idea which could be continued with other people if need be i can bring the excel sheet up and show you if you wish i really think as much as it pains me is that we might have to go with plastic and some kind of solid design possibly meaning that the lcd would not be in this perfect place it might be slightly between what would be good for a left handed and what would be good for a right handed person person i suppose one thing that could be done is have it circular and have it so that the pink it is actually a bit over the pinky finger okay it very much is about making concessions unfortunately do you have any data on how much different prints cost i mean can you get the entire thing printed with a design on the plastic in the plastic yeah i have as much information as i do so as you can see here for example the battery really not very little choice in that one we have gone from one of the cheaper options as well unfortunately we require the advanced chip if we are going to do what we are needing to i have said single curved we really do need it to be that way for the ergonomics of it plastic for some reason in curves no cost which i have had to do cost which i have had to very much make advantage of despite the fact that rubber is only got a value of €2 per unit the problem comes here as you can see in the interface if i have read this incorrectly then we can save 05 of a euro here and it is not per push button that might make sense because then a numeric keypad would come in at €45 which is an awful lot so that could well be wrong even if we save 05 there it would just mean that we are most likely placing it in actually just gaining a color for the unit which had to be put this one side as you can see the use of an lc display advanced chip and what would determine the scroll wheel here as well because it is an integrated scroll wheel push button it was not quite what i think they had in mind with the joystick why would that be more expensive than an individual push button a scroll wheel together that is quite significantly expensive i that is something you have to take up with the bean counters as you can see i mean that is taken up well over half of the price so i am very much open to suggestions of where we go but because we need to shed what was €4 off of the price of what we really desired this one comes in on the price as you can see but this was the one that sacrificed the material for the case and for the actual case design we do not even have speakers here do like are we what about speakers and transmitters and stuff like that have we affected that in i know we have not transmatter receiver speakers plus the extra device itself that is going to be on the tv is that going to be a button or is that going to be a button or it literally would just be a button yeah we might have to it looks like almost nothing no good call i missed that i mean it is not on here but i am done it is a very valid point do we have to use an advanced chip for the lcd yeah okay what is so if we are going to go with the lcd display then display then that is what is the hand dynamo you have to wind it up i feel like so yeah that would probably not be in keeping with the fashion statement and such yeah basically the only new thing is the lcd on the amount of the joystick yeah which i am defining a scroll wheel and we could not replace the joystick quite because we would need 4 extra buttons to replace it up down left and right and that would be more expensive then but is the scroll wheel not just back and forward yeah it is just because there was no actual definition for what a joystick might be that that is what i have labeled it for purposes of this evaluation the lcd basically is the big setting point of if we remove the lcd display we could save ourselves save ourselves a fair amount which you can that is what makes it original yeah i think if we remove the lc display then there was absolutely no point to any of these meetings and we just put our branding on any other remote control yeah yeah it is a shame we should possibly if we could have increased the price we could have manufactured us that and then we could factors that and then we could have got something far closer to what we were open to does this bear in mind that i mean it is a bit ridiculous that they are going to charge us was it like this much money for 3000000 if we are going to buy 3000000 components you know again you will have to argue with the accountants on that one but for the purposes of this meeting we are going to have to stick with these figures so i would say that it would seem like the general opinion is we are going to keep the lcd displays because it is about what really separates us despite the cost it is going to incur are people maybe not happy with but are willing to go ahead with this and going for a plastic solid case to keep the lcd what one thing how much extra would it be to keep the articulation it is hard to tell i would say that you are at least going to take double curved and even then i am not quite sure if that is incorporating the idea of articulation yeah well i think that it did not require it to be double curve yeah you can still have the single curve it is just that the case would come in would be made in 2 parts and then joined together with an articulation could we not get rid of the curve the curvaceousness and focus on the menu being the best interface because like we have restrictions on software that is what you need for the joys to go there 0 but it has to be i mean i mean if you look closer at the prototype here the prototype here the lines here along the grip are actually quite straight but the curves all over the hand is it yeah on the lcd i mean although we have done it with a curve it could just as easily be done without curves the curve that is really needed is up here to keep the joystick in a good ergonomic position but to have it rest on the top of the hand okay okay my bad we would not actually save a lot by reducing it anyway so i mean for the purposes of this meeting maybe we can state that single curve still allows articulation unless we hear other voice we could go ahead with that proposal i think the product is not going to perform so well for my criteria which is what we can get onto now as long as so are we going to say because we will have to keep an eye on the time as well but we are going to say 0 wait a minute circle curve design sample speaker what is the sample speaker is that somewhat similar to what we want it could well be a bit of cost that is that voice response thing that we got the email about i thought it was just completely pointless you got an email about voice response yeah i did not all right basically it was saying that our labs had come up with a chip that you could say hello to and it would say hello back in a friendly female voice okay yeah we will definitely will not go with that one we will not go with that one did you say that is voice recognition so okay okay so okay yeah battery definitely so it looks like we are going to get rid of the whole locator thing it looks like it unless we can manage to put it in under ¢2 okay okay maybe even slightly well no yeah pretty much ¢2 i would say so we will leave that one for now are we going for a special color or not it is a case of i am slightly unsure one5 of a euro for one push button does not sound quite right so maybe it is a case of a push button is maybe one or more well i was in that for a case 0 do you already incorporate that 0 special color for the case well you got 05 there it is literally a case of whether or not this is correct i am not quite sure if they are i do not think they mean ¢5 per button okay well let us say that and then we can have our special colored case and then we at least have make it a little harder to lose there we go because most remotes are a fairly dingy kind of are a fairly dingy color that gets camouflaged under any pile of crap what is the default color white or black black is probably normal color you would see gray i quite like that color of what you are fetching now it is definitely you make it glow in the dark even better so will we go with that then okay it is not and we can see we will come back to your evaluation of which you are probably now going to pan us okay okay so just to give you an idea you want to go maybe a bit quickly as well i am not sure how much time we have not hit the 5 minute morning yet but okay it is 10 minutes so okay ability to stop remotes from being lost or to find them once they are lost okay special color special color 4 4 3 3 3 3 i think we can do 3 3 we are being generous here the special color does not what do i think make a difference it makes it stand out from you know it is lost in a big pile of crap it stands out from the rest of the crap okay red used the number of unused buttons we are down to 2 buttons is it 2 buttons and a joystick okay so that is a one you know where that is yeah i would say we are doing well there okay that was good easy to use interface buttons menu menus menu menu is cool that is good okay we are not doing so badly easy to use 0 okay let us forget that one fancy looking it does not get much fancier we could do whatever we like with their lcd yeah let us just assume it is a good lcd display maybe i was panicking for no reason i have gone one in fancy i would say we have got 2 because the fanciest would be a dover curve yeah maybe a bit yeah with the articulators there we go that is better to more accurate numbers technologically innovative well we are getting rid of the locator thing which is a shame i do not need 3 for this for that 3 yeah i mean the menus thing is something you do not normally see on on a remote you see it in a lot of other places yeah mobile phones and what you are doing is moving the menu from the television to the remote control sorts you say free i might go as far as 2 and that 3 i give it to 3 3 okay okay we will get the hand in the next one anyway you are so people find pleasing sponginess is what they really would have wanted apparently it is yeah do not blame them because of the way that we have minimized the number of buttons and such plastic it sucks but it is no worse than any of the other remote controls they have that is true it is not a step back clip 5 i would give it a 6 yeah okay let us give you a 6 okay that is totally thrown everything off balance inspired by the lays interior and clothing fashion we could what color were we going to make it leopard print on it i would say give us a selection of colors we would not be yellow for the prototype because we had yellow if i were buying one i would go for the property leopard print would be cool by this i think it is more a case of food and beds i would say the color of this border there you would find that that is that yellow yeah it would also help keep the product placement logo yeah but inspired by in curing clothing fashion they are referring to the food and veg thing is this like a banana type color could we stretch there is not shaped like a banana it is kind of it probably it will not be when it has been 0 because it is flat budgeted what is fruit 0 it is just flat i think this is not not particularly fruit and veggie yeah we might have to suffer badly for this one as well yeah yeah well i mean it is probably more fruit and veg than most other things out there bar fruit and veg so what 4 4 0 that is very ambitious yeah i do not think fruit and veg is the sole criteria it is the sole criteria of being inspired by the way it is more inspired by current passions i would wait this fairly highly from that point this is what we are getting this is their motto yeah we are not doing my life this is their strategy imagine we actually had some money invested in this the amount that we invest is going to be proportional to the marks we might want to be a bit more skeptical about this one what would you think yourself i would say i mean it is not at all right in any way shape or form well it is kind of curved and we can make it yellow and that is pretty much banana like okay the yellow banana like thing is i think is okay it has got a curve to it 5 is that so unreasonable yeah i got 5 stretching the use of a banana yeah okay so we have 1234567 so 571016 and 21 it gives us an average of 3 3 it is well this would be in the middle so it is it is not bad it is in the good section it is not bad in considering the do not pick the pen oops sorry i am sorry what you are not bad at least it is a bad design that thing considering the price we had to get this in to have a positive you know even based on the 4 of us being heavily biased yeah it was going to be quite hard to get anything standing out i would say possibly based on the cost features even if we were to increase this entire thing by 7 we were to go down a grade down a grade to 4 we would have to do i mean we did not we were not that kind of optimistic too overly optimistic you know like we did not we did not add we did not subtract our whole 7 points from these things so i think we are definitely on the good bit even if we gave this 17 this 17 that is still only 3 extra points over 7 you know it is yeah we did it was okay it was good personally i think i think given that the product only replaces a single remote control that you have already got are people really going to shout out €25 for something that is only marginally good well it depends who you are what the target people are like you would say maybe fashion conscious women do not know look at that it looks like a it is yellow looks like a banana it is cool it has got it it look good in the sitting room rather than lcd whereas more technical like more people in with the latest technology like it is good it is got the lcd screens only got 2 buttons on a joystick is so which kind of people would be more likely to buy probably the people technologically they are usually ones to buy pointless stuff i think so i mean my mom still has not learned how to use text messaging on her phone and she is had it for a long time she uses it to make phone calls and that is it yes it mom yeah so i think if my mom is a remote control like this we are only 2 buttons and a joystick i mean that would probably be the 1st one she decides not to buy you know she would be like is this a remote control i do not how do you use it and stuff like that even if it is really user friendly to us but we are used to using menus all the time i suppose one thing is that because it is technically innovative for someone who is sort of technophobic fact that it simply looks unfamiliar will be daunting yeah i think it is totally radical to have a remote control no numbered buttons yeah but like radical good maybe okay i do not know how long as we have got at least 5 minutes i think quickly we will pop on to project evaluation so we have got these 4 criteria here for saturn for satisfaction does anybody want to do you have any opinions on any of them for example or backwards i suppose the ability to work in this project using the technology we have been presented with if people made good use of the pen and paper i would say i have noodle doodles wrote nearly a page than that i am not quite sure what the advantage for us using a digital pen might be i think the digital pen is mostly about the research it would have been nice to be able to transfer the paper notes onto the computer ourselves yeah that would have been pretty good it does seem like paper still a heavy consideration for taking notes so maybe this is literally just the way around it i do not know how are people satisfied with the teamwork we have managed to display today good i like it yeah leadership as much as can be leadered in this thing there is awesome yeah top ones the last one we have got is room for creativity well until until accounts came along we are bursting of creativity we are not lacking in ideas that was not the problem yeah i think of in the end ideas that can be used and sadly is meaning not so much that we were not full of ideas but of ones that are going to allow us to actually build the thing it is a bit of a pity i would have to agree in that i think we needed a larger budget if you are going to aim your product maybe at the technological kind of sector then you can afford to maybe jack the price up slightly from what it is because they will pay outrageous cash to be able to the market i mean i think to retaining the more of the market form in the particular age would gain more profit in sales than it would lose in added expense and the price was like it was twice the assembly cost and would it have to be twice that it could be like it could have the assembly cost it could like maybe 15 or it still set it for 25 still set it for 25 it is true yeah i suppose these are all that will have to be taken up with a different group i guess as to who are the costs involved but i mean we have got a prototype so it is so i do not know i think it has gone okay today considering the information that we have i do not know i do not know i suppose all and maybe the accounts it would have been better if we had a list from a yeah to begin with it is the beginning yeah probably would have mean you could have come up with a lot more solid design in the end i would have to agree it is very much pity to get so far into the stage and then find out that maybe some of your ideas are just a bit too expensive all is hard to tell until you know the costs okay are the cost within budget they are now that we have our slightly less than capable product we have evaluated it and we can say we came out with a value of 3 yeah one thing i would say something that could perhaps be part of the product the product product testing and market research process would be to produce mock ups of both versions and see just how much of a difference the going over budget would make to sales which yeah and like response from consumers we could even market 2 versions and then the final one where you get to call it how but we will go into that later right is there anything else that anybody would like to add no anything that is not been covered before i quickly write up a final report i do not know i mean we have got a product we maybe are not as happy with it maybe are not as happy with it as we like to be but we have got something we think we can maybe stick on to the market and sell and of course something we have been avoiding talking about because we have no information is selling them directly to the manufacturers there is a huge market i mean we briefly touched in it but with no more knowledge then there is little we can say on that yeah so unless anybody has got anything they would like to add we can maybe round us up slightly earlier than we need to and then we can finish up the writing and such yeah okay okay thank you for your participation thank you thank you i was actually kind of upset you know at the budget and that we had to cut a lot of stuff but man we can not have the locator thing that is just bad do you think maybe the prices were made okay okay okay okay okay" ]

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[ "5 years just because of the floods bringing the ceilings down alright is it it is ready okay great so on its great joy are not they suing him i think they probably ought to but they well they have only just started realizing that treating this as a legal issue is probably the right way to look at it so they are not really the sort of people that are up for understanding the intricacies of the committee i guess i mean i you would have thought they could but it is r it is actually quite hard work the law is not very clear can not th can not they get legal aid that is a good question they p they they might be able to it is just it is so strapped now you know like the citizens advice bureau is so hard to actually get access to because they have they have so many cases and so few people so but yeah that is probably the next thing they will have to do yeah everything is okay are we supposed to count to 10 or something we do not have to do all that yeah okay m okay okay okay yeah okay yeah okay thanks thank you thank you right well i thought the right thing to do was to review what wei xun has been doing in the area of dialog structure for work package one over the last period so basically for him to talk about what he what progress he has been making and then for us to for hi for him to describe what work he intends over the next period of the project and for us to figure out what help he needs with that m maybe give him some help figuring out what publications he is going to get out of this and for us to make sure that it fits into the overall project so this is something that you know we are not going to do everything today but i wanted to make sure that we sort of all aligned on what he was doing at the moment and and then sort of figured out how to give him the best advice coming up so that is that is why i called this okay so okay okay thanks yeah you are going to give a presentation for us then yeah yeah a very or a quick slides great so i have been here for 14 month i think yeah so i have a accustomed to the environment here and enjoy staying here so from last year i was s supervising the annotation of segmentation summarisation with jean of the i ic icsi corpus and on the other hand i w n did s some very preliminary work on chunking the switchboard corpus but that was not well picked up in the ami corpus which is supposed to be so and currently i am more interested in see yeah analyzing the discourse structure in multi party meetings this is what i am going to present here so in this presentation i am going to see how we could analyze utterance to utterance relations in multi party meetings cause meetings is a lit different from normal text or a n a normal dialog or monolog so interactivity is a concept is a concept that i am using to distinguish the 2 extremes of of interac of discourse in meetings and for dialogs and monologs i think we might have to use different concepts to m m model the discourse structure then i w i will give a very rough plan for the next couple of month and finally i i will intr i introduce some related work yeah so the big question that i am concern here is what is the relationship between utterances in multi party meetings or how do we analyze discourse structure right above utterances instead of those high level intentional structure of discourse so the concern here is about the very local low level utterance to utterance relations in multi party meetings this is the local discourse structure so the building block of that kind of structure would be the utterance and possibly one of its properties the dialog act which we are currently working on or and for meetings yeah so i have mentioned before that meetings is a bit different from monolog and dialogs so in meetings i from my reading of the one of the ami meetings i s 108 the the 4 meetings i noticed that the interaction degrees of interaction in the meetings varies from parts to parts so for some part the interaction is very strong so it is obviously a dialog but for some part part where the interaction is very weak just like the chairman or project manager is coordinating the meeting he is pushing the meeting forward then this kind of s organ organizational structure or part and also other pr parts like the back channels without any semantic content from other participants so this kind of interaction might be better analyzed as monolog which in which there is interaction i suppose so i am a little bit confused huh so when you say interactivity do you mean well how would you characterize a highly interactive meeting yeah what are the measurements you would apply so you i think what you are doing is segmenting meetings into highly interactive parts and not so interactive parts where you think some of them are like a bit like dialog and some are a bit like monolog yeah yeah yeah so what measurements would you apply to find out which is which so yeah so this is going to be based on the utterance to utterance so for this utterance the next utterance if it is from another pa speaker then if it is not a back channel or something similar then it is a dialog so if speak changes so yeah speaker change is so you mean relatively short turns and speaker change yeah yeah yeah b but sh short turns like or something very similar might be the seg 2nd type of interactivity the weak interactivity that might not be analyzed as a monolog but as a dial no no no wrong not as dialog but as a monolog yeah so for that part for that kind of back channels we can just skip that and to not treat them as interruptions or something like s then yeah we could just so so am i right in thinking you think that you can segment meetings maybe into 2 t types of areas interactive and non interactive yeah so what are th what are the characteristics of the interactive areas yeah speak change speak change would be yeah so w so okay so but you just said i think that you would characterize short turns as being the non interactive parts if if it is just some kind of back channel or it is just a signal signal the s the speaker is listening or is understanding what is going on yeah 0 okay well we we can discount back channels i mean c are you is it okay if we talk about this for a minute cause i am confused yeah yeah or or do you get a c i was just wondering if you were going to define this more on the slides to come or if this is as much as you are going to tell us alright huh alright i am just wondering if he is prepared cause if this is all we have got i think we should have interactive and non interactive on the board and then figure out what properties going to each just so we are clear what the 2 mean sure so so what did you have more on later slides about this yeah so yeah so for interactivity this is the only slide so yeah activity is i would define interactivity to be as a degrees of interaction in meetings okay well okay so which might speak change whi would be a very good indicator yeah but are you you need to be more precise what you mean by speaker change so y do you mean all of the speakers are involved in it yeah yeah yeah no no is it sufficient for 2 speakers right and then yeah no yeah so actually so this is a very rough idea of interactivity if we go further we might distinguish the interactivity between 2 f 3 or all the groups so that might be some final definition for the interactivity yeah but we have also established that it is not just speaker change it because if you have okay then yeah so that might be the 2nd class yeah okay but that is n you can that is definitional right weak this is a kind of weak interactivity okay y yeah yeah yeah yeah so so i mean you would not necessarily consider that to change the turns those are just back channels so one speaker will have the floor channel throughout that and so i guess what you are saying is that the interactive sections would have shorter speaker turns when you are not considering the back channels as interruptions right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely yeah so well it might be the case that to be interactive there have to be dialog acts of some specific type in a turn rather than yeah yeah yeah that is also true yeah s yeah yeah actually cause i have looked well do y like statement statement reject accept you know something like that yeah yeah sufficient but not necessary maybe it depend if you had so a bunch of people all just giving information and opinion around the table and they never actually ask questions of each other okay but the turns were actually quite short which one would it be so for that case yeah yeah so this might be a weak definition of interactivity so if we could figure out if they are really interacti interacting with each other or just incremental presentation of some information so that is d different we might yeah need a more strict or finer definition of interactivity yeah ju for this use of the for the use of this term for the indicator of the degrees of interaction i think for for the current proposal i think that it is just for distinguish between dialogs and monologs cause for these 2 types of discourse the the the cons the the 2 that we are going to analyze the discourse structure might be d different right okay i remember you saying this before yeah yeah so basically you want to do the segmentation because you are going to apply completely different analyzes to the 2 sections yeah yeah and also cause i have read some of the m 0 t a corpus so for some part of th that kind of meetings several utterances or dialog acts are just tagged as statement so that i do not think that would be very informative for high level str analysis so that is all what that is why why i am distinguishing the 2 kinds of discourse here right so wei xun quite takes quite a strong position on this difference between these 2 kinds of group activities because he says that they admit different kinds of analyzes right the with the non interactive more monolo mono logic sections of the meeting you have to analyze them using something akin to rhetorical structure or something and with the other sections you you you use some other theory to look at them and i actually think that that is a slightly extreme position with regard to the literature that a lot of people might say it does not really matter who the different speakers are in an interactive section you can still build maybe the the same argument structure over the top of the basic acts and propositional content that is there and what you get is a messier version of the argument structure because not everybody has the same argument in their brain you know for this but but that the same theory or the the same analysis can be applied to both parts so i think it is important to keep that in mind and if you if you do need to argue that these 2 kinds of group activities can can only be analyzed if you use different analytical mechanisms then you have to explain why that is okay right so it it puts an extra burden of proof on the work that you do well actually i do not quite agree i mean i for example you can not use r s t across speakers because the definitions of the relations depend on the intentions of the speaker and there is different speakers have different intentions so you can not use the theory it is just fundamentally wrong it is it was meant as a theory for a one person right so that does not mean there are not other theo so for yeah the like yeah right but to the grou degree that a group is building an argument together i mean it i think wh what you are doing in a group discussion is not necessarily one coherent argument f for the person but an argument that is the group view yeah and so it is maybe it is not r s t but it is more akin to i do not know is it toolman but you know not that i but you know the kinds of things where people to try to represent argument structure right but those are very those are really different theories that are at are trying to get at different things and it and they admit of m you know some of them admit of multiple parties and some of them assume you are in one speaker is head right and the are are the important aspects of it for this analysis really that substantively different though yeah the entire theory is based on intention and the intention of one individual so r s t would be a bad theory to use but i if somebody if there has been an argument so far in a group meeting w and somebody makes a statement they have an intention about how to modify that group argument so modeling modeling a single contribution by a single speaker you can within that you can use r s t if you want to right but across speakers you can not right but but you are they have no relations for things like reject or agree they the theory does not have them okay so the r the relation names are not are not right but so the the so it is not the right theory cause the theory is the relations plus the notion of nuclearity so we need a different theory now i think alex s d r s allows both kinds right yesterday yeah might be a so you know within a speaker turn you can have things like explanation and cause and all that but then across speaker turns you can have things like correction or i did not see any examples of agree or disagree in s t r s but i there are not okay yeah no i do not think so i mean there are 30 relations i d so we should look at at what they are yeah but i d i do not well the relation names are less important i mean people have argued for ages about exactly what relations were in any of these theories yeah yes well her the relations have a s and that is that is less important than what the theory is trying to achieve and it just seems to me that if you have got to have 2 dif separate apparatuses for the speaker internal argument structure and the group argument structure that that is more appara apparatus than you should actually need for from doing this kind of analysis cause in both cases you are building up an argument publicly in this group meeting and then you know adding something or changing the existing argument in some way by relating a contribution to what is already on the table so d yes but so i mean the relation names it is not the names that are important it is their semantics that are important right and they are the semantics of the relations are based on the semantics of the utterances that they are relating as alex s explained yesterday yeah yeah and so it is important that these relations have a semantics that is tied to the semantics of the utterances right yeah c i just think well i mean it all of these things when they encounter a new genre of of actual data then they end up modifying building new kinds of relations with new kinds of semantics and adding them p poss possibly but few people have tried to you know that is the entire history of these do the kind of truth conditional semantics that you know asher and lascarides have done right yeah so the theory can handle the kinds of things that happen in meetings as she explained the actual computational mechanisms they have currently for building up the trees can not now i do not remember was which speaker you in the c in the example she showed yesterday was it the case that the representation of the utterances and the relations included which speaker was no just a turn exchange yeah i mean it had the at the l at the leaves they had the well she did not show it but they would have the semantics of the utterances and then she had relation names and handles yeah actually sh she used some a a a bunch of features to do the automatic parsing right i just i just do not did not remember seeing in the representation which speaker contributed what cause she did represent discourse structures cause these were the verbmobil scheduling dialogs yeah so the utterances in the in the representation were uttered by 2 different parties that was not the you know in the in the examples she showed us there were there was some that was just you know one party yeah it was a monolog but then there was a snippet of dialog as well with right so there you have got somebody who is doing theoretical development that would claim that you do not need 2 separate an analytical frameworks for these 2 types of activities that wei xun has identified for this specific set of relations that that they have defined yeah there might be some higher level structure that you want to pull out of that i mean i cause you were saying you are just going to you you are you want to look at this you know very local stuff yeah utterance to utterance yeah very low level yeah but from that you c one would hope you would pull out something high you know you cou yeah yeah i to just we need to see how well we could work out of the utterance to utterance no i think working from the bottom up sounds great yeah but i am just y i mean what you can imagine someone saying well how did they decide to make it blue and maybe there was a long blow by bl and you do not you kind of want to abstract away from he said this she said that he sai you know to anyway i you know i mean i i do not think especially yeah so yeah you know if you are not steeped in these theories that it makes a huge difference to you whether we use r s t or something like s d r s but it might make much more you know i mean yeah i just prefer it to be one thing rather than 2 completely separate things and then the added explanation of why it is not possible to have the same thing applied to both halves well i think we should ass i think we should try to find a theory that allows multiple speakers and relations to span over more than one spea you know yeah because it is true that i mean if you look at things like damsel and other attempts to come up with annotation schemes for for dialog acts there was this notion of forward looking and backward looking anyway they are relational i mean in some way you know they are all relational yeah but you needed but there is a different set of tags in there from the kinds of relations you see within r s t for example so if you look at amanda stent is thesis and the analysis that she did sort of within a turn she used something like r s t and then across turns she used damsel right yeah which would not probably would not give us the kind of information that we need about relations across turns just because we really are critically interested in the argument that the group is building up so that we can find the decisions that they made and any p counter proposals to proposals that have been made and things i mean it really is more in the spirit of the r s t ish relations than than in the damsel kinds of relationships what we want out of the c the relationships between speakers here they are jointly building up an argument structure and that is the critical thing that we are missing in order to be able to understand what is happening in these meetings so we would not we would not want to do the same thing as what she did in this case well i bec just because damsel does not give you the right sort of representation between speakers well it gives you things like accept and reject and 0 does it okay i have not seen it on that this kind of data 0 yeah so maybe in fact r s t does not give you anything like that no right okay but are what i mean is you kno want to make sure you get the argumentative relations however you do it okay whichever relations you have to build you know right not i am not saying i am not saying that there is a particular set of tags or relations that have been defined out there that are the right ones right i am just saying we need the correct ones for th the structure that we are trying to get out of this cause we need certain information out of this analysis right okay d so i think it is much more impor i think it would make more sense to go about this problem figuring out what kinds of relationships we want and then finding and that yeah you know like setting down what the constraints are on the analysis game well wei xun has been looking at the data so that is that is a step for this he has been looking at the data okay s to good and then and then there are lots of different theories of argument i mean you can also think about the sort of joint problem solving kinds of approaches yeah yeah yeah yeah so you know clark and lockbaum and you know that that kind of thing yeah that were designed for dialog right i mean and can be expanded to more than 2 persons actually the lockbaum stuff is for groups yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah for interactivity this is a very weak definition yeah if we need more then we might use some more finer f finer definition for interactivity well what you will need in the end is something operational yeah so it is something that you can use to actually segment meetings into the the areas that you think are important for this analysis right yeah so it is not quite clear to me what the different kinds of things are okay so it would be i think handy if you could take a meeting at some and say you know this is a interactive area and this is a mono logic area because and we could come up with what kinds of measurements you need i mean we have w we have not done past work here on segmenting meetings in that way but we have done work on characterizing different kinds of meetings in terms of how highly interactive they are but it is a different definition right it is in terms of how much all of the people involved in the meeting take some take equal part in it as opposed to like the highest state is people in the meeting just driving it and and the other people following whatever the high state is people want so but those kinds of measures you know yeah we could use to to do this kind of segmentation if it is important to the analysis right yeah okay w but we need clearer definitions of what the different things are how many different kinds of of activities are there you know is it just interactive and non interactive or is there are there there more grades of shading than that and you know what are the things that you expect in each what is the back channeling behavior what is the speaker turn you know what kind of dialog acts do you expect i think that would help you pin down what the definitions are yeah okay so so for dialog yeah there would be some kind of interaction structure so it for in previous discourse studies especially in discourse analysis exchange is used to describe this kind of local structure and in conversation the analysis so adjacency pairs are used to describe this kind of structure but in these 2 strands or work they just come up with a list maybe not exhaustive so i am been think about if we could come up with some kind of more principal scheme taking some of the information in the in the interaction into account like is the small part of interaction is is exchanging some information here information is a little vague it could be some kind of knowledge what the speaker knows or or some kind of thought what the speaker is thinking so these 2 kind of inform 2 kinds of the information might be some kind of a difference so this is a little bit like the bell is exchange of information for the knowledge if exchange of opinion some kind of so it is very related to thought of thinking yeah do you think it matters whether something is knowledge or opinion in the way it contributes to the group process in some case it s differs cause when we exchange knowledge we might not challenge the speaker but when the speaker is pre is talk about what he feels what he thinks is proposing something or s then other speakers might might chan challenge him or her yeah so that kind of structu i i sort of have always taken the view that that well people are not very good at at this kind of rationality you know yeah yeah and the difference between information and opinion is not that prominent in the way people do their reasoning so yeah but that might b be some difference inter interaction par patterns might be cause for information if we somebody is seeking some information then he ask some question and the one knows will gives gives the answer but for the opinion or thought stuff then the speaker might just present some idea and others will comment or challenge the idea yeah well you you can not define em that way you can not define the difference between information and opinion that way because that is basically defining as the what happened about it okay and i think what tends to happen is that if people challenge the the facts you often discover that they were not actually solid facts anyway you know that they are i think the boundary between these is kind of fluid yeah yeah it is vague yeah yeah yeah yeah so i guess the question is is it important to what what is it important to so do you need the difference between information and opinion to do this analysis see cause so far i am s still looking for a so called principal scheme for the interaction for the interaction so so what have you been looking at yeah i was just going to say it would be useful to know what m yeah so yeah so you are you have got books that high on your desk yeah which ones are they yeah so yeah for p the discourse analysis they are using exchange but they have no no classification just to come up with okay so you mean but who is they that is the question who sinclair and coulthard that is right also at geneva school they i do not think they list some kind of exchange but the exchange structure and yeah exchange is 1st developed in systemic functional grammar along the halliday and and martin is work yeah so actually they they have some something in in a textbook about the exchange they call it negotiation so they have some flow charts of the detailed analysis of exchange structure yeah okay so y i am sort of getting that you think there is a lack in the theory to do with exchange structure at the moment yeah but i am but i am not quite clear yet what you think the lack is so so i do not think there is any kind of principle classification of exchanges this is i yeah w the well are you thinking it has been a while since i have read this literature but i mean my understanding of exchange is is that the initiating move introduces a goal to the discourse and then the remaining moves will contribute to either the the meeting of that discourse goal or the decision not to bother with that discourse goal right and so i would be surprised if there was not work describing okay things in those terms i mean i know sinclair and coulthard is is basically about teaching yeah yeah i r f kind of structure yeah yeah yeah so you would not expect that to necessarily apply in in wider contacts in a way like you might expect to have to extend the theory to do that but i th i think there are other other people have looked at exchange structure and described it in these terms in a way that should really suit your needs okay cause from my previous experience we see ananys analysis of information seeking dialogs over telephones so it is about the tourism information so from my analysis of that kind of dialogs i could say that there is only there only 4 basic exchanges depend on the information direction of the information flow yeah and also the speaker role cause in the information seeking dialogs the t roles of the 2 participants are different one is mainly the from the agency a tourism agency that is main information provider while the customer is the information seeker mainly yeah that is so theref and also the direction of information flows for some kind of information like the price of a specific route the spots they are going to visit and also on the kinds of ve vehicle or or transportation yeah yeah so this is a l a lot like george horton is work on saying what are the different parameters for these exchanges huh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know what are the things that characterize the set of exchanges that can happen yeah yeah s yeah yeah so but there also some variations which i call complex exchanges so that is that is just a list not like the basic exchange exchanges yeah so so is your complaint less about less about knowing what makes an exchange and more about knowing how you parameterise exchanges for this genre so what is the range yeah yeah okay so you are worried about what is the range of exchange types for this genre and that is what you think has not been done yeah yeah parametri yeah i i i am looking for parametric yeah scheme huh okay that is clearer yeah yeah yeah that is y yeah a parame parameter or principle yeah some something like yeah yeah and also yeah a and also s in cause in the meetings the speakers might might report something they have done in the past and talk about th what they are currently doing and also planning some future actions so this kind of information might also be helpful yeah so so have have you tried i mean i know of one previous attempt to establish what exchanges are needed for f some kinds of industry meetings and our experience in that project was that you can not really identify exchange structures in these meetings because they they do not really follow that pattern that exchanges are clear in well i there are clearer in when you have got fewer people so there is fewer people trying to pull the discourse goals in different directions yeah and they are clearer when your goals are quite limited so when you have just got information exchange and you know the or there is a clear task that the people are trying to do and they are focussed on that task as is normal in dialog elicitation like map task or like your like your informa which like your information seeking dialogs which was not dialog elicitation but it was very constrained in genre yeah yeah so the the answer to the question might be nobody knows what the catalog of exchanges is for real meetings because or for these decision making meetings because you can not identify exchanges right so have you gone through the meetings and looked for initiations and responses with without a prior catalog just knowing that init initiation in introduces a new discourse goal and a response meets or negates that goal in some way yeah so have you tried marking these exchanges not marking just for my reading of the i i s 1084 meeting series yeah just to reading this part yeah well i mean i think that w it i do not know w it would probably get to re hear you know more of your presentation because i think there are lots of different candidates and you certainly can not go through and mark up every meeting i mean mark up meetings with every scheme we think of so i think we have to kind of get an overview of what the candidates are m if there is like 2 or 3 that we think are good contenders yeah then we try to see what works better right yeah but but a reading of this you know th could tell you that there is no case where you are going to be looking for initiation and responses that is going to work you know cause you could go through and see that actually the pattern of of addressing different discourse goals is too dispersed to to be able to do that kind of mark up but i g yeah i mean i obviously you want to have a front runner scheme i in mind before you there are a lot of option there are a lot more options so so let us see what what else you have got okay so this is for the dialog part for monologs this is yeah so that is it 0 so that was it on dialog okay yeah okay so no further information is here okay so it is very unclear to me why you think exchange of information is more principal t did you i mean what did you have specific schemes in mind there or spec specific people is work that you cause so for the information and action the the action here is not dialog act but some kind of physical action that the participant is i i is going to or has done in the past he is going to do the future do you mean an action in terms of what the group is requiring him to do or do you mean an action in like picking something up so not so action in the technical meeting sense or just action in the physical sense physical sense yeah right okay physical sense yeah yeah so this kind of might be the some kind of semantics of the utterance or or exchange so this is just one thing i one parameter for but can you give us an example of a scheme that is based on exchange of information i mean here the scheme is for exchange scheme so yeah for for for exchange of information okay so there might be the s speaker and he a hearer so who speaks to whom and s so this is the so direction of the information flow and also so speaker role might be 1st parameters for the ex information exchanges so but for action that might be some kind of propose or accept or reject kind of exchange structure i mean 0 so that is not a physical action right if i pick this up which is a physical action you can not reject that huh no no what do you mean no that is that is the so we are going to do something and so could you do something or this kind of action related utterance i mean right yeah that is right that is a action in the sort of technical sense of meetings okay technical sense so you are actioned to do something which is part of the permanent record that yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay yeah yeah okay yeah that is n okay so i mean i think that there are a lot of things that we have to look at before i mean before come up with the scheme you mean yeah yeah i mean and well there are very few schemes for marking up exchanges on actual data right because people have not considered it very important exch well i always thought they get tired after marking up the dialog moves so they nev never bother with any higher level dialog structure so we did it in the map task but i do not actually know of other cases where people bothered marking anyth anything higher level than the map than the move structure right so yeah well we are marking up a lot of higher level things in our you do not know of yeah s stent yeah stent might does yeah on yeah i have s sorry stent yeah but it c it is not been very popular car probably cause it makes no okay so have you looked at nate blaylock is work so so cause i am i might not familiar with these na so he has things like you know adopt so basically it is to you know collaborative problem solving you know more than one person involved and trying to characterize things as you know if i i can not remember the i can not remember the names of all the actions so is it the work described in the c in in in the coconut project or something similar no so so the coconut project is a project that i did with rich thomasson and barbara diginio yeah yeah yeah yeah have you looked at that y yeah look not very much detail yeah not very clear no though there is a lot of detail in the paper yeah but you have not looked at it no in very much detail no not okay so i think you should okay because it was all these things that are done for joint problem solving and joint action i think are very relevant to look at because these people are solving a problem together yeah right so while these schemes may not have they have some es of the essential components that you need to characterize joint problem solving so while th you may think that they are missing something then we we could certainly augment them but i think that they have to be looked at and so so nate blaylock tried to okay so you know from gross and krauss and gross and sidener came all this stuff about shared plans and how you really can not understand you know dialog u unless you understand shared plans but the actual theoretical or formalization of it was incredibly complex yes yes and so lockbaum simplified it quite and you know sidener and rich and collagen have simplified it quite a bit but nate blaylock tried to you know define you know what happens after somebody suggests something well you can adopt it you can well i can not remember you know okay but he has he has a taxonomy yeah right yeah i know okay 0 i know this guy yeah yeah jim is student yeah i know yeah yeah no no in saa saarbruecken yeah yeah yeah exactly right okay yeah yeah yeah okay yeah i know her which we tried to apply to tutoring but it actually does not work very well for tutoring cause tutoring is just a totally different ball game different okay but it you know we spent a fair amount of time looking at it and it did strike me that for joint problem solving there w there were some good ideas and there is you know a set of tags and what they mean and you know that sort of thing and then you can also look at you know cl you know clark on joint action now he is not going to give you a set of tags cause that is not the kind of guy he is no but but the overarching idea you know i mean i think accounts for a lot of the ways in which you know these other people are thi are thinking but i mean i think that we we basically have to merge some of this stuff that has been done you know on meetings with some of the stuff that has been done on collaborative problem solving cause there is elements of each that seem really important yeah and i think th well the 1st step is find out in the what how much of the material does the collaborative problem solving cover so how much of a genre clash is there here because it really seems to me that you know if you look at and some of this stuff on exchange is like ancient and you know they did not have the ability to mark up lots of data and count things you know so i mean all the conversational analysis stuff i mean those guys never count anything you know no i mean they are ps so they see a pattern and then they think it is kinda cute and then they scour the world for 3rd turn repairs you know they do not actually say how often do those happen well it is i mean they worked i mean i know manny schegloff really well and they are not counters they are purposely not counters they define themselves as non counters yeah b th but there there are people in the field that are moving that direction like martin and also what is important here is the theoretical clarity about what an initiation and a response is so what is it that ties different acts together at a higher level you know yeah th i mean it it does seem like you know there is something that we want from that and then there is something that we want from collaborative problem solving and if you l if you take the exchange stuff it is not going to d quite do everything you want and if you look at the collaborative problem solving stuff maybe it will not do every that you want and so but i think more important than looking at whether parts of the meeting are highly interactive or not so interactive is looking at what sort of task the people are trying to do at the moment so you know are they doing i are are they i as in the kick off meeting just exchanging information to get started with a project or are they actually addressing some specific design criteria at the moment should try to decide which shape the thing is because that is going to affect the kinds of relations that you get between the utterances and so that is much more like the the literature from mcgrath about the different kinds of activities groups get into yeah so i think that is another thing that has to be pulled into this because you you do require different different kinds of relations or you expect different kinds of relations from some over arching set in those different kinds of activities yeah so main actions i guess might be some some high level problem solving or decision making concepts not like the exchange which which i i would like to be very low level utterance to utterance relations so what is the high level version again p s i mean i mean the m main actions might be some it might be yeah built built meeting action right okay i mean i the meeting actions is just going to be a segmentation it is not going to present any s any micro structure okay so well w so it is just going to say from here to here they are doing something that is all that that scheme is going to do okay like somebody is writing on the white board or i mean the w meeting actions they presented at the review seemed really low level to me like somebody stood up okay w it is n that is not no those well that is individual actions okay physical some kind of physical actions yeah and the meeting actions are meant to b become more semantic and more theoretical than the kind idiap have traditionally used okay okay so so we need to still preserve some sense of the activity okay but rather than saying it is somebody is at the white board it will be you know that somebody is explaining something that the others are focussed on okay okay i mean i i realize it is important to recognize that you know what wei xun got up and went to the white board i realize that is important you know yeah but i d was kind of surprised that those meeting actions yeah different scheme yeah so yeah okay it is it is a different scheme yeah so yeah th the the main actions that you are talk about i think might be yeah built up from the exchange yeah ex at least exchange might be one kind of important information for that kind of well you might need the meeting action segmentation in order to know where what what area you are circumventing for so it is just exchange structure in this area that you are looking at and then that is a solid boundary between the next bit or something i do not know yeah but w well time is getting on yeah okay so you know what practical things can we do to help this work move forward so y show what else next you are you are thinking about yeah yeah so yeah for the monolog i have i have not looked into the details about the this kind of relations for the monolog parts just a list of these relations and so next i need to review the literature and come up with s schemes for the real data annotation and after that we w cause this is not in the hub corpus so we are not going to get l all the meetings annotated with that kind of so so we we might ju 1st try a few meetings and have a reliability study if it is reliable enough then we must just just annotate a small part of the meetings and using some learning techniques to boot boot strap the automatic analyser well m marking up exchange structure if if it is there and if if you have got a working scheme for it is relatively cheap it is a lot cheaper than doing dialog act coding in the 1st place yeah if if it is based on the dialog acts yeah right well one presumes it is otherwise it is going to be ra radically expensive to do any kind of mark up so the you know it is something that we can look at but you need to what we need it is more important than knowing you know that we need exchange structure marked up on x amount of data at this point is knowing where you are headed with this i think so what is the good that that the project gets out of this in the end so you know what is the w what is the headline results of the work on the project i think is is what we are trying to get a sense of here yes so you get your exchange structure marked up and say we just put in the money get exchange structure marked up on that entire hub or you know figure out how to boot strap it so we we get this how do you how do you sell that as a as a project goal you know cause people are going to say exchange structure so what what do wh what do you what how do you plug that into the rest the stuff right or fits the meeting browser yeah yeah okay so this might not be the final goal that that could be fit into the browser but it might be some kind of information which might benefit meeting actions or some more high level decision making or problem solving cause this is the building blocks i guess yeah so yeah see cause i think that just to make this m more efficient you should be thinking about the high level goal in order to focus the work that you are doing rather than thinking well yeah you know there is these theories you know how can we apply these theories to it and then seeing what comes out of that that might be useful for the meeting browser actually trying to say yeah okay we have a goal of being able to do this with the meeting browser what kinds of dialog structure would we need to be able to do that i mean i do not know maybe you would want to disagree with that but i this more goal directed might actually make it easier to bring these things to publication in the long run right well i think we should approach it both ways i mean you know i i d you know the meeting browser people have a lot of constraints and so what they end up with saying is most critical for them right now might not be the most interesting thing in the longer term right and so it is not necessarily what they say but it is something at least identify something that we would hope to get out of it you know right i mean people have said over and over again that they would like to understand how a decision has evolved right and i think that well i do not know if all of this low level stuff would allow you to track that kind of thing but it might at least be the building blocks of allowing you to track that kind of thing and yeah yeah so after this if if we might do some pe from here we might be some yeah some higher level yeah yeah c problem solving decision making process to track that kind of information yeah yeah so i mean i think it is clear that something at this level needs to be there i mean and to ask questions like who disagreed or were there any counter proposals or whatever even those kind of questions you need some kind of mark up like this i it just helps you know which theory you should be concentrating on so you know that immediately discounts exchange structures that are mostly for information seeking alone because the notion exchange is to restrict it there and in favor of these these more argumentative things so i mean i do think you should keep in mind what the final goal is so that you can plug this into something at the end and and show some benefit of having the mark up yeah well that brings up something interesting because i think probably what we should do is try to get you know some of these tasks sort of put on you know sort of as part of the official agenda so being able to answer questions like were there any counter proposals to the bana you know banana shape or whatever or to some specific you know recommendation and things like that i mean you know those you know strike me as cl clear things that you know people who go to decision making meetings want to know if they have missed one or are arriving late or anything like that yeah so it wou it seems like we should probably get some of these things on the official agenda and say look you know would not it be nice if you could have answers to these questions or something yeah i mean operationally it is not going to much difference whether it is hub or not right because we have got the bank of people 0 we have to get the hub stuff through but you know he is n not ready with an annotation scheme that can be used at the moment anyway so and it it is not that expensive no m so i mean it is something that we can afford off budget cause and i think we would not want to necessarily do this on icsi data i think the icsi data is too too complex and there are not enough real decisions made you know that you could clearly identify messy yeah it and it is too different a genre yeah yeah yeah i mean there are some but and not that i have read more than about 2 meetings ye yeah but i think w it you know w well so one thing that is going to be interesting is the i think to me yeah is the what can you do because presumably the d f k i folk or somebody is going to mark up a lot of the data with sort of tags about ontology right so we know you know somebody will have gone and by hand and sort of marked up som something l like shallow semanticy kinds of things right or maybe deeper semanticy things but that but you know yeah that is not help either but yeah they are sure to do that not really in a in a formal language but mostly just you know tags right and then the question is well how does you know just the way people typically do this is you know let us take these semantic features into or these features into account and see how well we do with the the learning and then let us throw these features out and see how well we do because we know we are going to have them because one or 2 sides is really intr are really interested in this ontology stuff right i mean t n 0 is and d f k i is right so there will be some kind of domain semantics and there will also be presumably some kind of task hierarchy modeling going on in i mean cause the whole browser working group final sort of presentation on that 2nd day was about in the m you know knowing the task right and very you know details about which task is this you know which sub task is this little chunk of the meeting addressing and furthering in various ways right y which seems like it would be really hard in an open domain well i do not remember that about the w i mean the you remember when steve came in steve whittaker came in at the end and said you know they would spent the morning talking and they came up with this idea 0 but that was about what task the person doing the browsing was going to do it w they did not say anything about what sort of information they would want from the meeting itself it w it was about i they just mention that they want decision for issues action items i think they are more talking about user requirement for the meeting than soft text they want to know no they said people are talking about tasks you know what happened happening in a meeting i mean they really they made it clear that they were that that was going to be heavily that was the that we the browser task you know they have identified these 7 different tasks people might want to do with browsers you know like join a meeting late and ch catch up on what is happened in the meeting so far be at home waiting for the washing repair guy no those are the s those are the scenarios and they say that those are the user scenarios the task what what he came back and said that at the end yeah i mean it actually kind kind of scared me because it was all based around tasks okay well c maybe and and the domain tasks okay they are now they now have to decide how many buttons to put on this thing i mean it was all about the domain task okay and it is really the it and given that it it is really scary to think about what you could possibly do in an open domain where you do not where you do not know what the tasks are and i do not think you are going to be able to figure them out very reliably but i thought you wanted to avoid doing stuff that was s stuck in this particular domain if possible but you know th they were not concentrating i do but the whole project is you know focussed on ami hub data as their 1st priority well yeah but that does not mean you have to be using the techniques that you can be using open domain techn n no no no no no but i mean if the if the if they had th they had this sort of epiphany at the end of this meeting where they decided well why are people browsing this well it is all to see how you know how the participants were furthering their tasks and you do not think that can be done in open domain at all cause we do not want to get into working with ontologies i mean one of the strengths of this grouping was that yeah they all work with the closed domain ontologies and we will do the open domain side of things so i do not know well right and then yes we will see and then there was this confusion about the last spider phone conference that the messages telling people to call came out after the meeting happened at least to some of us 0 right yeah so we do not know what happened at that one yeah so i mean we will we will get that back on track but i think that we do not you know there will be some meeting browser demo that you know i i think it is an interesting question of okay well if you have knowledge here is what you can do if you do not have that knowledge you have to do different things and you know you can not necessarily yeah so you are advising wei xun that he should be using like any ontologies and propositional content that d f k i and t n 0 bank in the c v s repository or or not yeah ma ma s well i think when he does re when he does lear these learning experiments he should do em 2 ways that is what i am not clear on because he will have this opportunity with or without with our without and then we can see like well without you know these tags so you know yeah that is kind of okay alex was showing yesterday well without knowing the head word of the utterance at the leaf you know you get these kinds of results and when you add that in you get these other kinds of results yeah yeah yeah and you know i think yeah different feature combination yeah so i think if we have those features it is you know it is a rare orp or rare opportunity that you can you know you can try one head to head against the other can actually try yeah and then of course to make sure that you really i do not know when they will bank these by the way cause that is it is not hub so i it is one of these things where everybody is supposed to bank as many things as possible right so you know w well we will not i mean we will not use em till they are ready obviously so we might do the sort of open domain i mean a although it will be a closed domain i mean we we can not use any domain information necessarily yeah but open i mean there probably are a bunch of issues like if you have got a 100 hours of meetings and they all talk about a lot of the same things yeah it is not really an open domain task yeah then it is ea it it is not really open domain and somehow that sneaks into all the statistics anyway cause you do not have such a wide vocabulary and you know well eventually the hub is supposed to be 40% non scenario right but that data is definitely going to be kind of coming in the last so sure so we might find that when we move from what we thought was open domain but on the hub you know our results go down when we truly are getting meeting yeah yeah that is quite reasonable so i mean that will be interesting w we have got 5 isca meetings actually which are still an elicitation task but they are not our domain so that should help some okay well that is good and they have been declared hub so so they will accrue all of the normal an annotations of course yeah you will you will never get the t n 0 and d f k i stuff on it cause they are only billing stuff for the one to make the so okay so we want to decide what wei xun should do next and maybe think about meeting in i do not know a month or something yeah just figure out how we are going to help him to to try to make this more efficient yeah so before we do that can i just ask you a question about chunking yeah yes in the beginning you said something about you were doing this chunking and you are doing it on the icsi data but this was did you say it th was not picked up in ami or you i i i was confused about w yeah yeah i mean i was supposed to chunk some part of the ami meetings you know to see if the chunker channel switchboard works well enough or not if not then we have to use some kind of semi superv supervised learning or some boot strapping to to to do the chunking and you and you have not done it yet no no cause i was a bit worried about this kind of discourse structure yeah tha that is fine so that is still on the agenda to do at some point yeah yeah but we should make sure we finish that off because otherwise that work is just wasted right yeah exactly yeah we are going to use chunks for something useful that is okay yeah chunks are going to be named entities if nothing else well so i mean right or building blocks i mean so i mean we have to think about how s chunking interacts with the automatic segmentation you know because barbara was showing the low level automatic segmentation at which level dialog segmentaton huh dialog act yeah yeah okay and i mean it seems to me that chunking should have some kind of so if if your dialog act segmenter says there is there is a segment here yeah but your chunker said no this is a coherent chunk then y y you know w i mean maybe they could work together to do a better job than yeah and that is a problem yeah certainly if if you have got chunks it ought to help you know where your dialog act boundaries better not be right yeah yeah and it may be even more mechanical than that based on the examples we are seeing from d f k i cause they are they are hand marking stuff and the dialog act boundaries are supposed to be intentional but they seem to always be marking them that after verbs you know with clause m it is very it looks quite mechanical periods 0 after right so we are querying them about this because that is not the way they are supposed to be doing it okay right okay and good so it sounds like well w well hold on but when do we need chunking by and it you know so y i do not like the idea that you know you start something and then 18 months later you pick up to do the last 10% of the work to finish it off or whatever so it i like things kinda tidy right so how much work is there left and when do we actually need it by would be useful to discuss well how much ami well you wanted to do the chunking on the ami data right yeah because m the ami data is is there there is i mean there is hub set a is transcribed i think in final form you we can check the wikis but you know the data is rolling in so so we got stuck at some point on evaluation of chunking right the problem was you did not have icsi data that was hand labeled for chunks or ami data n no and we decided labeling the icsi data for chunks would be probably difficult and maybe not very useful and so it it mi and but barbara still says somebody is done this for chunks okay i will have to look up you know so so okay if there if there was if there was hand labeled data that you could evaluate again so train on some and evaluate on some would not that cause you have trained on switchboard right where there there are chunks so if you had some icsi data that you could maybe use i do not know yeah as a what is the n there is t there is a training set and then there is the development set and then there is the test set maybe you would use some chunked icsi stuff as development or something and do some last tweaks and then evaluate but you know w h i mean i can see why wei xun did not want to spend his time chunking icsi d which means we have to get some portion of the data hand chunked hand chunked but that should not be that hard to do right how much data do you need how much well i do not read lips what was that was it hard how much in switchboard switchboard is all chunked yeah yeah right they the data how much data you need was not a problem with the switchboard cause he had lots so he did not have to think about how much so we need to know how much data you need hand chunked right well and then how do you hand chunk stuff right so you were were working on instructions for doing hand chunking no you had penn tree bank parses and you made chunks from that for switchboard yeah but then he there were 2 possible options for for doing this on the ami data yeah yeah for switchboard yeah you could either essentially go the same route as they did with the switchboard you know do the penn tree bank and then create the chunks off that or you could chunk directly and it was not clear to us which one of those 2 methods was the right way to do this direct chunking cause we are not going to in a tree out of the ami data right well so you would have to produce as part of this exercise is anybody going to parse is any going to try to anybody try to parse the ami data you would have thought so but i dunno so th we d f k i cause they are working on some h p s g parsing 0 yes yeah i would forgotten about that yeah might be might be yeah if the but that is not very similar well i do not know very much about grammar is th is that similar enough that that this same method could apply that we derive chunks off the h p s g output if i am i guess that if they are different then we might just write another script to do the translation i think you might lose a lot in you know this step so basically your your chunker is trained on something that was derived off penn tree bank and it might be different enough that that actually causes it not to match you know if you are suddenly evaluating against chunks that were done using h p s g i do not know about grammar but it you know it okay yeah yeah i need to look at some of to see well they are using the e r g right the which probably has a l maybe finer g which i believe has finer grained distinctions than and different labels than the penn tree bank yeah and the mappings are can be cr pretty difficult for this right or is is easy to map between finer grained distinctions and coarser ones it is i am t it is probably easy to dumb down the h p s g parse too think so cause the penn tree bank parsers are pretty minimal because they did not want to commit to a specific grammatical theory yeah yeah yeah so i mean it probably is worth looking at okay cause they are doing this with dan flickinger right which is the same parser as the redwoods tree bank was made with that alex talked about yesterday so you can look at redwoods parses and see how different they are from tree bank parses and you might want to talk to alex to find out if somebody is already done this turn redwoods stuff into tree bank stuff so that they can compare you know against results that are reported on tree bank huh the names would suggest that this was the idea right well that was the idea i believe but yeah it was supposed to be another tree bank right so y that sort of assumes that we think it is better to do this by deriving chunks from some parsed format than just hand chunking the stuff well the good thing about that is that then you know that when you go through and parse you will be getting the same chunks as when you do this process automatically cause the problem w when you go through and hand do it is then suddenly you introduce your automatic method and your accuracy goes can go way down i mean sometimes it does not if you know sort of for part of speech tagging you know whether you do it by hand or machine it is pretty much the same accuracy right yeah but so let us try it this way and then that that puts off the question of when do we have to do this to when we get h p s g stuff right so can you ask d f k i whether they can give us a couple ami meetings run through their h p s g process i do not even know what time scale they had in mind i mean it is this something they w they were doing it at the moment but i do not know whether this was very preliminary or do you remember they talked about it at the meeting that we went to in 20 minute yeah twente twente yeah i was thinking enschede why can not i remember the n the f the right name of this place yes twente contact which you were there jean yeah yeah okay yeah y you are expecting me to remember stuff are not you no no no no no no no i i i know you missed a meeting and s and so there there may have been you missed the one in t n 0 0 yeah 0 i do not even know which one i have missed brussels amsterdam t n 0 okay t n 0 yeah see i was not there so i do not know where it was okay yeah cause yeah they did some work bio project with the h p s g parsing yeah at least bio on on which project sorry i did not get that verbmobil right yeah well maybe yes yes they did yeah okay yeah so ask em right it well that is that is what alex talked about yesterday right okay the parse i mean that is was not something she did but that is the data she is using right so we have all that stuff here you know the parsed verbmobil material so you can look at that and see what the parse trees look like you do not need to wait for d f k i no and if it turns out that you think 0 there is no way i can map these into penn tree bank style bracketing then then we have to think of something else right okay okay but i think they had that in mind so it is it is worth also talking to her about that okay good so it is talk to alex see if it looks like it maps by looking at the verbmobil if it does ask d f k i either for data or a time scale and you are going to need to know how much data you need in order to do that so do you have a technique for estimating how much data you would need yeah not sure c i do not know how you do that so who knows how you do that everybody always says there is no data like more data okay so just ask d f k i how much data and when right okay if you know i mean the typical thing is to do leave one out cross validation with you know 89 dialogs yeah yeah i know yeah okay so i trained on 88 and then or i train on 1999 and okay but we should speak to steve okay we do not have any particular time in mind when we need a chunker that works on this stuff we might have some so well the question the question is what what is chunking going to help i mean i think chunking could help automatic dialog act segmentation yeah i think chunking could help as you mentioned named entity recognition yeah well i gue if we did a chunked version of the ami data and stuck it into c v s under the automatic contributions then people would end up using it cause they do that right so the question is at what stage should we put that in well we would want to make sure we are pretty happy that it is reliable because yeah so post evaluation so we can put in some idea of what the evaluation is like yeah i mean otherwise you get these very bizarre results because the data is not really very good so but i and nobody has expressed like massive interest in t in chunking so i think you know nobody is waiting for it no but he is relying it on it th this summer but but we could we c i think we should talk to barbara about how to do some joint experiments or or if she is going to be sending other people maybe liz or whoever comes over next time and it would actually be great if it was liz because i think she is the one who did the dialog act segmentation automatic so when when do you think that would be when when is she sending somebody she just said that hopefully by the next meeting she would be bringing someone else or someone else would be coming instead of her remember 0 for the next one but that is a pretty tight time scale then right cause it would be for the fall we would want to know the evaluation is that the time scale you are thinking of or the th not to have not to have it done but just to talk about how it could interact with automatic dialog act segmentation how it could be done yeah and we i guess we should talk to yoshi about about it in relationship to named entities who is who is doing named entities besides yoshi that is all i think okay so we could talk to vasilis about that as well i think you should still ask barbara again you know c can you have another think about who might have the chunking stuff cause she has said several times there must be somebody and she can help with that and i think she is just forgotten so and then so and then we can evaluate on the icsi you know pretty easily so one thing that would be very helpful for me because i have not read i think we are in a situation where jean you know has read a lot of literature and i have read a lot of literature and we there is some overlap but there is also quite a big space where we do not know the literature from the other side and since you are going to be reading it i mean it would be probably be useful if you made some kind of you know report that described you know okay this what these people you know this is you know a synthesis okay here is the basic idea behind exchange structure and you know here is a couple of you know here is the 2 most relevant works that i have read or something like that you know to just yeah even if it is just a you know on a wiki the the references and then why they are relevant right i mean you do not want to make this really formal or do you or even just like a paragraph of you know the basic idea yeah a paragraph each just because you know obviously i am not going to go rea off and read all this kind of stuff because i do not have time yeah and you probably do not have time to read all this collaborative prol problem solving yeah but that wou that would help us be a lot more specific ab than than just you know so listing bullet points on slides cause then we would know sort of which literature you are thinking of putting in and we could read the most important argumentative stuff okay yeah yeah yeah well in any way every time you write a paper you have got to go back and do this related work thing anyway i can have these things anyway yeah so it just it just makes it a lot easier to get that yeah common ground i think you know kay yeah yeah i think it is a real advantage that we have read different things and come at it from a different side because i think this ha they the the previous approaches have not really you know taken you know the good features from you know both sides and and tried to put them together they have not addressed this problem yeah yeah i am going to have to go very soon because i have got this this hearing to go to yeah me too but so the practical actions you know what are the things we are going to go away and do i can send you a l yeah well i think we both want to send w well i do not know maybe you have already done this but i you know i will send you or we can you know chat off line for a minute a about a list of things that i think you really need to take a look at yeah yeah and jean probably maybe you should do the same okay s so then later yeah okay and if sabrina has any ideas we would be happy to hear from sabrina as well yeah right now d i am doing i am trying to do the meeting action segmentation j because after talking to jane just we have different ideas whether meeting action will be about the same size as topic segments okay so it would be good to t right now i am doing this yeah looking at the data and trying to see if i can do the meeting action segmentation 1st and the scheme m and then do topic segmentation again to see if the boundary actually coincide with each other yeah if if that that do then maybe we can talk again whether i it it make sense yeah yeah so you can do this exercise and then come and talk to me some time next week i am not in monday but the other days i will be around alright yeah i have just started and so far i s think it is it i think it it is a still about the s about the same level of segmentation we are talking here yeah but maybe the boundary will not be exactly the same yeah s yeah so this this is interesting but i w i do not think we can afford to l look at this right now but that that the segment right sure so why do not you bring it by next week yeah and i what i really want to do concentrate just now is is finding out the how we are going to help wei xun with with making progress on this sure yes so we have already got you know he is going to construct a list of the references he thinks is important and johanna and i and and you as well are going to contribute to that and we can put that on a wiki or we can do it some other way i mean you know i am wiki mad okay so if we share it it should go on a wiki cause i can not find anything in my email but you know you do not have to do that yeah it is yeah and then how do we you are actually so what you are doing is taking all of the the the most important references for finding argument structure that might i eventually be of some use to a meeting browser and trying to look at actual data and apply and and see like which one helps you figure out what you are actually going to do with this particular data right so it seems to me that we should take like the front runner scheme and the data and you should look at not front runner scheme but front runner theory and i see if you can speak to the data you know using that kind of theory at some point and might might be an interesting exercise right well i think we need to like you mentioned earlier factor in what this might be used for in the end and so even if it we will not it will not be used maybe if it would need some higher level analysis before it could be directly used for that purpose we should still keep that in mind the update and so i think going through the presentations that were given at the work package 6 meeting where and i think it was it was not wha was it anita or was it 0 i have forgotten her name the other woman from twente you know they talked about they did they had done a lot of questionnaires and they got some user requirements out of that and then steve presented the results of following people around and looking at how they used their notes from meetings and and so that would give us some ideas about you know what people want you know out of meeting records but then we should also add things that we think are interesting yeah but that is a good starting point yeah but just to have to keep some of these goals in mind cause they are t 01 scheme might let you answer this set of questions but would not help you at all with another set of questions that will be the exactly yeah so you want to go through basically the user requirements and you know maybe think about some user requirements of your own and make a case for you know these are the kinds of things that we would want and look you are going to need this kind of dialog or argument structure for it so should we expect that all the slides from like the work package 6 meeting or the joint work package 5 work pa will be u up on one of the work package web sites and if not how do we make that happen i will think about that okay some of this was presented in at least the one spider phone or the 2nd spider phone telecon i went to for work package 6 so if they are not on the web we can try to look at that you know at the materials that were presented in that telecon without necessarily listening to the whole telecon yeah yeah so we are just trying to get records wh i mean i am sure they are not on the web yet and steve m and his i have forgotten the name is it was it simon his yeah so yeah they they have i think they may have written this up in a report yeah but i wou would hope that is on the work package 6 web site as well yeah okay so so we are going to go through the requirements like that and did did you think that is that was reasonable to after that to try and actually you know take some theory that seems fairly reasonable and think about the particular data and come and talk i do as i once he is read a couple more i mean he is just completely missed out the collaborative problem solving world yeah i there is a few references missing yeah which i d i really think we need to take into account i mean you may take it into account and say no you are wrong and here is why but i i i am going to need some convincing yep so then try front runner scheme on well a front runner theory or t or or 2 and see this one gives you this and this g and can not you know are they fundamentally incompatible or can we yeah yeah but try it informally yep when do we get together again cause i really do have to go okay i promised these guys i would be there i think this is going to take about 3 weeks cause he has got plenty of reading to do huh but w so maybe we get together again in the yeah i mean i will send them the references immediately reading lists before that though so right so we will get together in about 3 weeks okay is that enough time for you do you think sorry you mean is that enough time for you to to read and think about i will try my best yeah if y if if it is too tight you know i think m we can say 4 0 yeah i m i might yeah cause julie and the boy is here or are you going to be on holiday so it is a little tiring cause my parents have left yeah yeah huh so i might take 2 weeks off 2 weeks off in may yeah sometimes yeah maybe 4 weeks okay okay so we should get together probably in about 4 weeks yes off yeah 4 weeks yeah okay thanks so when are you going to bring this beautiful baby in to see everybody yeah hope i hope so very soon i want to see yeah yeah good good something that is great sure right i am going to head off yep well good luck solving your problem okay thanks c cause floods are more important than dialog structure i am afraid i have to tick and tick it does something weird when you do that" ]

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[ "5 years just because of the floods bringing the ceiling down okay great and it is great joy are not they suing him i think they probably ought to but they well they have only just started realizing that treating this as a legal issue is probably the right way to look at it so they are not really the sort of people that are up for understanding the intricacies of the committee i guess i guess i mean you would have felt they could but it is actually quite hard work the law is not very clear can not they get legal aid that is a good question they might be able to it is just it is just strapped now you know like the citizens advice bureau is so hard to actually get access to you because they have so many cases and so few people but yeah that is probably the next thing they will have to do yeah there is a thing that thing are we supposed to count to 10 or something we do not have to do all that okay okay yeah so just like the last one okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay right well i thought the right thing to do was to review what weeching has been doing in the area of dialog structure for work package one over the last period so basically for him to talk about what progress he has been making and then for us to for him to describe what work he intends over the next period of the project and for us to figure out what help he needs with that maybe give him some help figuring out what publications he is going to get out of this and for us to make sure that it fits into the overall project so this is something that you know we are not going to do everything today but i wanted to make sure that we sort of all aligned on what he was doing at the moment and then sort of figured out how to give them the best advice coming up so that is why i called this okay thanks you are going to give a presentation for us then yeah yeah great very quick slides so i have been here for 14 months i think yeah so i have accustomed to the environment here and enjoyed staying here so from last year i was supervising the annotation of segmentation and some relation with gene ex acus and on the other hand i did some very preliminary work on chunking the switchboard corpus but that was not well picked up in the ma corpus which is supposed to be so and currently i am more interested in the analyzing the discostructing multi party meetings this is what i am going to present here so in this presentation i am going to see how we could analyze utterance to utterance relations in multi party meetings because meetings is a little different from normal text or a normal dialog or mind log so interactivity is a concept is a concept that i am using to distinguish the 2 extremes of discussing meetings and for dialogs and monologs i think we might have to use different concepts to model the discourse structure then i will give a very rough plan for the next couple of months and finally i will introduce some related work so the big question that i am going to be concern here is what is the relationship between utterances in multi party meetings or how do we analyze discourse structure right above utterances instead of those high level intentional structure of discourse so the concern here is about the very local low level utterance to attrance relations in multi party meetings this is the local discourse structure so this the building block of such kind of structure of basic utterance and possibly one of its properties the dal act which we are currently working on and for meetings yeah so i have mentioned before that meetings is a bit different from monolog and dialogs so in meetings from my reading of the one of the m meetings is 108 the 4 meetings i noticed that the interaction degrees of interaction in the meetings varies from part to parts parts so for some part the interaction is very strong so it is obviously a dialog but for some part where the interaction is very weak just like the chairman or project manager is coordinating the meeting is pushing the meeting forward then this kind of organizational structure or agenda falling part and also other parts like the back channels without any semantic content from other participants so this kind of interaction might be better analyzed as monolog which in which there is neo interaction i suppose so i am a little bit confused so when you say interactivity do you mean well how would you characterize a highly interactive meeting what are the measurements you would apply so i think what you are doing is segmenting meetings into highly interactive parts and not so interactive parts where you think some of them are like a bit like dialog and some are a bit like monolog so what measurements would you apply to find out which is which yeah is going to be based on the utterance to utterance so for this utterance the next utterance if it is from another speaker then if it is not a back channel or something similar then it is dialog so it is speak change so you mean relatively short turns and speaker change yeah yeah but short turns like or something very similar might be the 2nd type of interactivity the weak interactivity that might not be analyzed as a monolog but as a dialog not as dialog not as dialog but as a monolog so for that part for that kind of back channels we can just skip that and do not treat them as interruptions or something like then yeah we could just so am i right in thinking you think that you can segment meetings maybe into 2 types of areas interactive and non interactive so what are the characteristics of the interactive areas speak change speak change would be okay so but you just said i think that you would characterize short turns as being the non interactive parts if it is just some kind of back channel or just signal the speaker a is listening or a is understanding what is going on we can discount back channels i mean are you is it okay if we talk about this for a minute because i am confused i was just wondering if you were going to define this more on the slides to come or if this is as much as you are going to tell us i am just wondering if he is prepared because if this is all we have got i think we should have interactive and non interactive on the board and then figure out what properties go in each just so we will clear what the 2 mean sure so what did you have more on later slides about this for interactivity this is the only slides so yeah actually i define interactivity to be the degrees of interaction in the meetings well okay speak change would be a very good indicator yeah but you need to be more precise what you mean by speaker change so yeah do you mean all of the speakers are involved in it no is it sufficient for 2 speakers right no yeah so actually this is a very rough idea of interactivity if we go further we might distinguish the interactivity between 23 all the groups so that might be some final definition for the interactivity but we have also established that it is not just speaker change because if you have okay yeah so that might be the 2nd class okay but that is you can okay that is definitional right yeah yeah so i mean you would not necessarily consider that to change the turns those are just back channels so one speaker will have the forward channel throughout that so i guess what you are saying is that the interactive sections would have shorter speaker turns when you are not considered the back channels as interruptions yeah yeah yeah so well it might be the case that to be interactive there have to be dialog acts of some specific type yeah yeah yeah that is what is true yeah yeah actually because i have looked to well like statement statement reject except you know something like that yeah sufficient but not necessary maybe if you had a bunch of people all just giving information and opinion around the table and they never actually ask questions of each other okay but the turns were actually quite sure which one would be this might be a weak definition of interactivity so if we could figure out if they are really interacting with each other or just an incremental presentation of some information so that is different we might need a more strict or finer definition of interactivity yeah for this use of the for the use of this term for the indicator of the degrees of interaction i think for the current proposal i think that it is just for distinguishing between dialogs and monarchs because for these 2 types of discourse the 2 that we are going to analyze the discourse structure might be different right okay i remember you saying this before so basically you want to do the segmentation because you are going to apply completely different analyzes to the 2 sections yeah yeah and also because i have read some of the mfta corpus so for some part of that kind of meetings several utterances of dialects are just to tag us statement so i do not think that would be very informative for high level analysis so that is why i am distinguishing the 2 kinds of discurses right so waging takes quite a strong position on this difference between these 2 kinds of group activities because he says that they admit different kinds of analyzes with the non interactive more monologic sections of the meeting you have to analyze them using something akin to rhetorical structure or something and with the other sections you use some other theory to look at them and i actually think that that is a slightly extreme position with regard to the literature that a lot of people might say it does not really matter who the different speakers are in an interactive section you can still build maybe the same argument structure over the top of the basic acts and propositional content that is there and what you get is a messier version of the argument structure because not everybody has the same argument in their brain for this but that the same theory or the same analysis can be applied to both parts so i think it is important to keep that in mind and if you do need to argue that these 2 kinds kinds of group activities can only be analyzed if you use different analytical mechanisms then you have to explain why that is so it puts an extra burden of proof on the work that you do well actually i do not quite agree i mean for example you can not use rst across speakers because the definitions of the relations depend on the intentions and the different speakers have different intentions so you can not use the theory it is just fundamentally wrong was meant as a theory for one person right so that does not mean there are not other theories but to the degree that a group is building an argument together i mean i think what you are doing in a group discussion is not necessarily one coherent argument for the person but an argument that is the group view yeah and so maybe it is not rst but it is more akin to i do not know is it toolman but you know not that but you know the kinds of things where people to try to represent argument structure those are really different theories that are trying to get at different things and they admit you know some of them admit of multiple parties and some of them assume you are in one speaker is head right are the important aspects of it for this analysis really that is substantively different though the entire theory is based on intention and the intention of one individual so rst would be a bad theory to use if somebody if there has been an argument so far in a group meeting and somebody makes a statement they have an intention about how to modify that so modeling a single contribution by a single speaker within that you can use rst if you want to right but across speakers you can not right they have no relations for things like reject or agree the theory does not have them okay so the relation names are not right so it is not the right theory because the theory is the relations plus the notion of nuclearity so we need a different theory now i think alex sdrs allows both kinds so within a speaker turn you can have things like explanation and cause and all that but then across speaker turns you can have things like correction or i did not see any examples of agree or disagree in sdrs but i do not think so there are not i mean there are 30 relations so we should look at what they are but the relation names are less important i mean people have argued for ages about exactly what relations are in any of these theories well that is less important than what the theory is trying to achieve and it just seems to me that if you have got to have 2 separate apparatuses for the speaker internal argument structure and the group argument structure that that is more apparatus than you should actually need from doing this kind of analysis because in both cases you are building up an argument publicly in this group meeting and then you know adding something or changing the existing argument in some way by relating a contribution to what is already on the table yes but so i mean the relation names it is not the names that are important it is their semantics that are important right and the semantics of the relations are based on the semantics of the utterances that they are relating as alex is explained yesterday and so it is important that these relations have a semantics that is tied to the semantics of the utterances right yeah i just think well i mean all of these things when they encounter a new genre of actual data then they end up modifying building new kinds of relations with new kinds of semantics and adding them that is the entire history of this possibly but few people have tried to you know do the kind of truth conditional semantics that you know asher and lascarides have done right so the theory can handle the kinds of things that happen in meetings as she explained the actual computational mechanisms they have currently for building up the trees can not now i do not remember was which speaker you know in the in the example she showed yesterday was it the case that the representation of the utterances and the relations included which speaker was no just a turn exchange i mean it had the at the leaves they had the well she did not show it but they would have the semantics of the utterances and then she had relation names and handles actually she used some a bunch of features to do the automatic person right i just did not remember seeing in the representation which speaker contributed what because she did represent discourse structures because these were the verb mobile scheduling dialogs so the utterances in the representation were uttered by 2 different parties it was not you know in the example she showed us there were there was there was some that was just you know one party it was a monolog but then there was a snippet of dialog as well right so there you have got somebody who is doing theoretical development that would claim that you do not need 2 separate analytical frameworks for these 2 types of activities that weighting is about for this specific set of relations that they have defined there might be some higher level structure that you want to pull out of that i mean because you were saying you are just going to you want to look at this you know very local stuff but from that one would hope you would pull out something high you know just we need to see how well we could work out of the artranos no i think working from the bottom up sounds great but i am just i mean you can imagine someone saying well how did they decide to make it blue and maybe there was a long blow by blower and you do not you kind of want to abstract away from he said this she said that he said you know to anyway i do not think especially you know if you are not steeped in these theories that it makes a huge difference to you whether we use rst or something like sdrs but it might make much more you know i mean yeah i just prefer it to be one thing rather than 2 completely separate things and then the added explanation of why it is not possible to have the same thing applied to both halves well i think we should i think we should try to find a theory that allows multiple speakers and relations to span over more than one speak you know because it is true that i mean if you look at things like damsel and other attempts to come up with annotation schemes for dialog acts there was this notion of forward looking and backward looking anyway they are relational i mean in some way you know they are all relational but you needed but there is a different set of tags in there from the kinds of relations you see within rst for example so if you look at amanda stent is thesis and the analysis that she did sort of within a turn she used something like rst and then a cross turn she used damsel right yeah which probably would not give us the kind of of information that we need about relations across turns just because we really are critically interested in the argument that the group is building up so that we can find the decisions that they made and any counter proposals to proposals that have been made and things i mean it really is more in the spirit of the rst ish relations than in the damsel kinds of relationships what we want out of the the relationships between speakers here they are jointly building up an argument structure and that is the critical thing that we are missing in order to be able to understand what is happening in these meetings so we would not want to do the same thing as what she did in this case just because damsel does not give you the right sort of representation between speakers well it gives you things like accept and reject and 0 does it okay i have not seen it on that this kind of data so maybe in fact rst does not give you anything like that no right okay but what i mean is you want to make sure you get the argumentative relations however you do it whichever relations you have to build right you know not i am not saying i am not saying that there is a particular set of tags or relations that have been defined out there that are the right ones i am just saying we need the correct ones for the structure that we are trying to get out of this because we need certain information out of this analysis so i think it is much more i think it would make more sense to go about this problem figuring out what kinds of relationships we want and then finding and you know like setting down what the constraints are on but which he has been looking at the data so that is he has been looking at the data okay good and then and then there are lots of different theories of argument i mean you can also think about the sort of joint problem solving kinds of yeah approaches so you know clark and you know lock bomb and you know that kind of thing that were designed for dialog right i mean and can be expanded to more than 2 persons actually the lock bomb stuff is for groups yeah yeah yeah so yeah for interactiveity this is a very weak definition yeah if we need more than my 2 then we might use some more finer definition for interactivity well what you will need in the end is something operational so something that you can use to actually segment meetings into the areas that you think are important for this analysis yeah so it is not quite clear to me what the different kinds of things are so it would be i think handy if you could handy if you could take a meeting at some and say you know this is an interactive area and this is a monologic area because we could come up with what kinds of measurements you mean i mean we have not done past work here on segmenting meetings in that way but we have done work on characterizing different kinds of meetings in terms of how highly interactive they are but it is a different definition right in terms of how much all of the people involved in the meeting take equal part in it as opposed to the highest status people in the meeting just driving it and the other people following whatever the high status people want but those kinds of measures we could use to do this kind of segmentation if it is important to the analysis yeah okay but we need clear definitions of what the different things are how many different kinds of activities are there is it just interactive and non interactive or are there are there more grades of shading than that and what are the things that you expect in each what is the back channeling behavior what is the speaker turn what kind of dialog acts do you expect i think that would help you pin down what the definitions are okay okay so for dialog yeah there would be some kind of interaction structure so in previous discourse studies especially in discourse analysis exchange it is used to describe this kind of local structure and in conversation analysis so at just a patient is pairs are used to describe this kind of structure but in these 2 strands of work they just come up with a list maybe not exhaustive so i have not been thinking about if we could come up with some kind of more principle scheme taking some of the information in the interaction into account like is the small part of the interaction is exchanging some information here information is a little vague which could be some kind of knowledge what the speaker knows or or some kind of thought what the speaker is thinking so this 2 kinds of information might be some kind of difference so this is a little bit like the bels exchange of information for the knowledge exchange of opinion some kind of so it is very related to thought of thinking yeah do you think it matters whether something is knowledge or opinion knowledge or opinion in the way it contributes to the group process in some case it differs because when we exchange knowledge we might not challenge the speaker but when the speaker is talking about what he feels what he thinks is proposing something than other speakers might challenge him or her yeah i sort of have always taken the view that well people are not very good at this kind of rationality you know and the difference between information and opinion is not that prominent in the way people do their reasoning so that might be some difference in interaction patterns might be because for information if somebody is seeking some information then he asks some question and the one knows will give the answer but for the opinion or thought stuff then the speaker might just present some idea and others will commend or challenge the idea well you can not define them that way you can not define the difference between information and opinion that way because that is basically defining as what happened about it and i think what tends to happen is that if people challenge the facts you often discover that they were not actually solid facts anyway i think the boundary between these is kind of fluid so i guess the question is is it important to what is it important to so do you need the difference between information and opinion to do this analysis so i am still looking for a so called principle scheme for the interaction so what have you been looking at yeah i was just going to say it would be useful to know what so you have got books that high on your desk which ones are they yeah so yeah for the discuss analysis they are using exchange but they have no classification just to come up but who is they that is the question okay you mean who singleton code that right and also in geneva school i do not think they list some kind of exchange but the exchange structure and and yeah exchange is 1st developed in systemic functional grammar along the hardy and martin is work so actually they have something in the textbook about the exchange they call it negotiation so they have some flowchats of the detailed analysis of exchange structure okay so i am sort of getting that you think there is a lack in the theory to do with exchange structure at the moment but i am not quite clear yet what you think the lack is so i do not think there is any kind of principle classification of exchanges well are you thinking it has been a while since i have read this literature but i mean my understanding of exchanges is a is that the initiating move introduces a goal to the discourse and then the remaining moves will contribute to either the meeting of that discourse goal or the decision not to bother with that discourse goal right and so i would be surprised if there was not work describing things in those terms i mean i know so clarence colthard is basically about teaching yeah rf is kind of structure yeah yeah yeah so you would not expect that to necessarily apply in wider context in a way like you might expect to have to extend the theory to do that but i think there are other people who have looked at exchange structure and described it in these terms in a way that should really suit your needs because from my previous experience we see analysis analysis of information seeking dialogs of telephones so it is about the tourism information so from my analysis of that kind of dialogs i could say that there is only there are only 4 basic exchanges depending on the information a direction of information flow and also the speaker role because in the information signal the rules of the 2 participants are different one is mainly from the agency a tourism agency that is the main information provider while the customer is the information seeker mainly and also the direction of information flows for some kind of information like the price of a specific route the spots they are going to visit and also the kinds of vehicle transportation so this is a lot like george horton is work on saying what are the different parameters for these exchanges what are the things that characterize the set of exchanges that can happen yeah yeah yeah but there are also some variations which i call complex exchanges so that is just a list not like the basic exchange exchanges yeah so is your complaint less about less about knowing what makes an exchange and more about knowing how you parameterize exchanges for this genre so what is the range okay so you are worried about what is the range of exchange types for this genre and that is what you think is like that yeah yeah i am looking for the metric yeah yeah yeah that is yeah parameter or principle yeah something like yeah yeah and also yeah and also in because in the meetings the speakers might report something they have done in the past and talk about what they are currently doing and also planning some future actions so this kind of information might also be helpful so have you tried i mean i know of one previous attempt to establish what exchange is they are needed for some kinds industry meetings and our experience in that project was that you can not really identify exchange structures in these meetings because they do not really follow that pattern that exchanges are clear in well they are clearer in when you have got fewer people so there is fewer people trying to pull the discourse goals in different directions and they are clearer when your goals are quite limited so when you have just got information exchange and there is a clear task that the people are trying to do and they are focused on that task as is normal in dialog elicitation like map task or like your information seeking dialogs which was not dialog elicitation but it was very constrained in genre so the answer to the question might be nobody knows what the catalog of exchanges is for real meetings because or for these decision making meetings because you can not identify exchanges right so have you gone through the meetings and looked for initiations and responses with without a prior catalog just knowing that an initiation introduces a new discourse goal and a response meets or negates that goal in some way so have you tried marking these exchanges not marking just from my reading of the is 108 for a meeting series yeah just to read in this part yeah well i mean i think that i do not know it is probably good to hear you know more of your presentation because i think there are lots of different candidates and you certainly can not go through and mark up every meeting i mean markup meetings with every scheme we think of so i think we have to kind of get an overview of what the candidates are and if there is like 2 or 3 that we think are good contenders then we try to see what works better right but a reading of this could tell you that there is no case where you are going to be looking for initiation and responses that is going to work because you could go through and see that actually the pattern of addressing different discourse goals is too dispersed to be able to do that kind of markup but yeah i mean obviously you want to have a front runner scheme in mind before you there are a lot more options so let us see what else you have got okay so this is for the dialog part for malak so that is it 0 so that was it on dialog okay okay so no further information is here okay so it is very unclear to me why you think exchange of information is more principled did you i mean what did you have specific schemes in mind there specific people is work that you were because so for the information and action the action here is not that like but some kind of physical action that the participants is going to or has done in the past is going to do the future do you mean an action in terms of what the group is requiring them to do or do you mean an action in like picking something up so action in the technical meeting sense or just action in the physical sense physical sense yeah right okay yeah so this kind of might be some kind of semantics of the utterance or exchange so this is just one parameter but can you give us an example of a scheme that is based on exchange of information i mean here the scheme is for exchange scheme so yeah for exchange of information so they are my busy speaker and here here so who speaks to whom and so this is the direction of information flow and also so speaker row might be 1st parameters for the information exchanges so for action that might be some kind of proposed or accept or rejections or accept or reject kind of exchange structure 0 so that is not a physical action right if i pick this up which is physical action you can not reject that what do you mean no no that is the so we are going to do something and so could you do something this kind of action related happens i mean right that is right right that is an action in the sort of technical sense of meetings okay technically so you are actioned to do something which is part of the permanent record okay yeah yeah yeah okay yeah okay okay so i mean i think that there are a lot of things that we have to look at before i mean before coming with the scheme you mean yeah yeah i mean and well there are very few schemes for marking up exchanges on actual data right because people have not considered it very important well i always thought they get tired after marking up the dialog moves so they never bother with any higher level dialog structure so we did it in the map task but i do not actually know of other cases where people bothered marking anything higher level than the map than the move structure right well we are marking up a lot of higher level things in our stan might does some 0 yeah sorry but it is not been very popular no probably because it makes some okay so have you looked at nate blaylock is work i might not familiar with these so he has things like you know adopt so basically it is to you know collaborative problem solving you know more than one person involved and trying to characterize things as you know if i i can not remember the i can not remember the names of all the actions is it to interrupt the nc coconut project or something no so the coconut project is a project that i did with rich thomas and a barbara diageenio have you looked at that yeah look not very much to do no well there is a lot of detail in the paper but you have not looked at it in very much detail no okay so i think you should okay because it was all these things that are done for joint problem solving and joint action i think are very relevant to look at because these people are solving a problem together right so while these schemes may not have they have some of the essential components that you need to characterize joint problem solving so while you may think that they are missing something then we could certainly augment them but i think that they have to be looked at and so nate blaylock tried to okay so you know from gross and kraus and seidner came all this stuff about shared plans and how you really can not understand you know dialog unless you understand shared plans but the actual theoretical or formalization of it was incredibly complex yes and so lockbaum simplified it quite and you know seidner and rich and collagen have simplified it quite a bit but nate blaylock tried to you know define you know what happens after somebody suggests something well you can adopt it you can i can not remember you know okay but he has he has a taxonomy i know this guy yeah yeah right james salern student yeah i know yeah yeah yeah exactly right which we tried to apply to tutoring but it actually does not work work very well for tutoring because tutoring is just a totally different ball game but it you know we spent a fair amount of time looking at it and it did strike me that for joint problem solving there were some good ideas and there is you know a set of tags and what they mean and you know that sort of thing and then you can also look at you know clark on joint action now he is not going to give you a set of tags because that is not the kind of guy he is but the overarching idea you know i mean i think accounts for a lot of the ways in which you know these other people are thinking but i mean i think that we basically have to merge some of this stuff that has been done you know on meetings with some of the stuff that has been done on collaborative problem solving because there is elements of each that seem really important well the 1st step is find out how much of the material does the collaborative problem solving cover so how much of a genre clash is there here because it really seems to me that you know if you look at and some of this stuff on exchange is like ancient and you know they did not have the ability to mark up lots of data and count things you know so i mean all the conversational analysis stuff i mean those guys never count anything you know i mean so they see a pattern and they think it is kind of cute and then they scour the world for 3rd turn repairs they do not actually say how often do those happen i mean i know manny shagloff really well and they are not counters they are purposely not counters they define themselves as non counters but there are people in the field that are moving that direction like martin and also what is important here is the theoretical clarity about what an initiation end of response is so what is it that ties different acts together at a higher level yeah i mean it does seem like you know there is something that we want from that and then there is something that we want from collaborative problem solving and if you take the exchange stuff it is not going to quite do everything you want and if you look at the collaborative problem solving stuff maybe it will not do everything that you want but i think more important than looking at whether parts of the meeting are highly interactive or not so interactive is looking at what sort of task the people are trying to do at the moment so you know are they doing are they as in the kickoff meeting just exchanging information to get started with the project or are they actually addressing some specific design criteria at the moment to try to decide which shape the thing is because that is going to affect the kinds of relations that you get between the utterances and so that is much more like the the literature from mcgrath about the different kinds of activities groups get into so i think that is another thing that has to be pulled into this because you do require different kinds of relations or you expect different kinds of relations from some overarching set in those different kinds of activities so main actions i guess might be some high level problem solving on decision making concepts not like the exchange which i would like to be very low level utterance to utterance relations so what is the high level version again meeting action meeting actions might be some right okay the meeting actions is just going to be a segmentation it is not going to present any microstructure okay so i was just going to say from here to here they are doing some here to here they are doing something that is all that that scheme is going to do somebody is writing on the whiteboard i mean the meeting actions they presented at the review seemed really low level to me like somebody stood up that is not no those well that is individual actions and the meeting actions are meant to become more semantic and more theoretical then the kind ediop have traditionally used okay so we need to still preserve some sense of the activity but rather than say it as somebody is at the white board it will be you know that somebody is explaining something that the others are i mean i realize it is important to recognize that you know wayching got up went to the whiteboard i realized that is important you know yeah i was kind of surprised that those were meeting actions so it is a different scheme yeah yeah so yeah the main actions that you are talking about i think might be a built up from the exchange at the last exchange might be a more kind of important information well you might need the meeting action segmentation in order to know where what area you are circumventing so it is just exchange structure in this area that you are looking at and then that is a solid boundary between the next bit or something i do not know yeah but well time is getting on so you know what practical things can we do to help this work move forward so show what else you are thinking about yeah for the monarch i have not looked into the details about these kind of relations for the monarch part just a list of these relations and so next next next i need to review the literature and come up with schemes for the real data annotation and of that because this is not in the hapcobs so we are not going to get all the 1000000s anted with such kind of information so we might just try a few 1000000s and have a reliability study if it is reliable enough then we must just add a small part of the meetings and using some learning techniques to bootstrap the automatic analyze well marking up exchange structure if if it is there and if if you have got a working scheme for it is relatively cheap it is a lot cheaper than doing download and code in the 1st place yeah if it is personalize the data yeah right well one presumes it is otherwise it is going to be radically expensive to do any kind of markup so you know it is something that we can look at but you need to what we need it is more important than knowing you know that we need an exchange structure marked up on x amount of data at this point is knowing where you are headed with this i think so what is the good that the project gets out of this in the end so you know what is the headline results of the work on the project i think is what we are trying to get a sense of here so you get your exchange structure marked up and say we just put in the money get exchange structure marked up on that entire hub or you know figure out how to bootstrap it so we get this how do you sell that as a project goal because people are going to say exchange structure so what what do you what do you what do you what how do you plug that in the rest of the stuff right yeah okay so this might not be the final goal that could be fit into the browser but it might be some kind of information which might benefit meeting actions or some more high level decision making or problem solving because this is the building blocks i guess yeah see because i think that just to make this more efficient you should be thinking about the high level goal in order to focus the work that you do doing rather than thinking well you know there is these theories you know how can we apply these theories to it and then seeing what comes out of that that might be useful for the meeting browser actually trying to say yeah we have a goal of being able to do this with the meeting browser what kinds of dialog structure would we need to be able to do that i mean i do not know maybe you would want to disagree with that but this more goal directed might actually make it easier to bring these things to publication in the long run right well i think we should approach it both ways i mean you know the meaning browser people have a lot of constraints and so what they end up with saying is most critical for them right now might not be the most interesting thing in the longer term right it is not necessarily what they say but it is something at least identify something that we would hope to get out of it you know right i mean people have said over and over again that they would like to understand how a decision has evolved right and i think that well i do not know if all of this low level stuff would allow you to track that kind of thing but it might at least be the building blocks of allowing you to track that kind of thing yeah so after this if we might do some from here we might be some higher level yeah problem solving decision making process to track that kind of information yeah so i mean i think it is clear that something at this level needs to be there i mean and to ask questions like who disagreed or were there any counter proposals or whatever even those kind of questions you need some kind of markup like this it just helps you know which theory you should be concentrating on so you know that immediately discounts exchange structures that are mostly for information seeking alone because the notion of exchange is too restricted there and in favor of these more argumentative things so i do think you should keep in mind what the final goal is so that you can plug this into something at the end and show some benefit of having the markup well that brings up something interesting because i think probably what we should do is try to get you know some of these tasks sort of put on you know sort of as part of the official agenda being able to answer questions like were there any counter proposals to the banana shape or whatever or to some specific you know recommendation and things like that i mean you know those you know strike me as clear things that you know people who go to decision making meetings want to know if they have missed one or arriving at or anything like that so it seems like we should probably get some of these things on the official agenda and say look you know would not it be nice if you could have answers to these questions yeah i mean operationally it is not going to make much difference whether it is hub or not right because we have got the bank of people we have to get the hub stuff through but you know he is not ready with an annotation scheme that can be used at the moment anyway so no and it is not that expensive i mean it is something that we can afford off budget and i think we would not want to necessarily do this on icsi data i think the icsi data is too complex and there are not enough real decisions made you know that you could clearly identify it i mean there are some but and not that i have read more than about 2 meetings but i think you know well so one thing that is going to be interesting is the i think to me is the what can you do because presumably the dfki folk or somebody is going to mark up a lot of the data with sort of tags about ontology right so we know you know somebody will have gone in by hand and sort of marked up something like shallow semantic y kinds of things right yeah that is not how by there but yeah deeper semanticy things that but you know not really in a formal language but mostly just you know tags right and then the question is well how does you know just the way people typically do this is you know let us take these semantic features into or these features into account and see how well we do with the learning and then let us throw these features out and see how well we do because we know we are going to have them because one or 2 sites are really interested in this ontology stuff right i mean tno is and dfki is right so there will be some kind of domain semantics and there will also be presumably some kind of task hierarchy modeling going on in i mean because in the whole browser working group final sort of presentation on that 2nd day was about you know knowing the task right and very you know details about which task is this you know which sub task is this little chunk of the meeting addressing and furthering in various ways right which seems like it would be really hard in an open domain well i do not remember that about the you remember when steve came in steve whitaker came in at the end and said you know they would spent the morning talking and they came up with this idea 0 but that was about what task the person doing the browsing was going to do they did not say anything about what sort of information they would want from the meeting itself it was about they just mentioned that they want decision part issues action items i think they are more talking about user requirement for the meeting than subtext they want to know no they said people are talking about tasks you know i mean they really they made it clear that they were that was going to be happily that was the browser task you know they have identified these 7 different tasks people might want to do with browsers you know like join a meeting late and catch up on what is happened in the meeting so far be at home waiting for the washing repair guy no those are the scenarios those are the users scenarios the task what he came back and said that at the end i mean it actually kind of scared me because it was all based around tasks okay well and the domain tasks okay they are now they now have to decide how many buttons to put on this thing i mean it was all about the domain task okay and it is really and given that it is really scary to think about what you could possibly do in an open domain where you do not where you do not know what the tasks are and i do not think you are going to be able to figure them out very reliably but i thought you wanted to avoid doing stuff that was stuck in this particular domain if possible i do but the whole project is you know focused on ami hub data as their 1st priority well yeah but that does not mean you have to be using the techniques that you can be using open domain no no no no no but i mean if the if they had this sort of epiphany at the end of this meeting where they decided well why are people browsing this well it is all to see how you know how the participants were furthering their tasks and you do not think that can be done in open domain at all because we do not want to get into working with ontologies i mean one of the strengths of this grouping was that you know they all work with the closed domain ontologies and we will do the open domain side of things i do not know well right and then yes and then there was this confusion about the last spider phone conference that the message is telling people to call came out after the meeting happened at least to some of us 0 right yeah so we do not know what happened at that one yeah so i mean we will get that back on track but i think that we do not you know there will be some meeting browser demo that you know i think it is an interesting question of okay well if you have knowledge here is what you can do if you do not have that knowledge you have to do different things and you know you can not necessarily yeah so you are advising which that he should be using like any ontologies in propositional content that dfki and teno bank in the cvs repository or not that is what i am not clear on when he does these learning experiments he should do him 2 ways because he will have this opportunity with or without and then we can see like well without you know these tags so you know alex was showing yesterday well without knowing the head word of the utterance at the leaf you know you get these kinds of results and when you add that in you get these other kinds of results and you know i think and feature combinations yeah so i think if we have those features it is you know it is a rare opportunity that you can you know actually try you can try one head to head against the other and then of course to make sure that you really i do not know when they will bank these by the way because that is it is not hub so it is one of these things where everybody is supposed to bank as any things as possible right so you know well we will not i mean we will not use until they are ready obviously so we might do the sort of open domain i mean although it will be a closed domain i mean we can not use any domain information necessarily i mean there probably are a bunch of issues like if you have got 100 hours of meetings and they all talk about a lot of the same things yeah it is not really an open domain test it is not really open domain and somehow that sneaks into all the statistics anyway because you do not have such a wide vocabulary well eventually the hub is supposed to be 40% non scenario right but that data is definitely going to be coming in last sure so we might find that when we move from what we thought was open domain but on the hub you know our results go down when we truly are getting meeting yeah so i mean that will be interesting we have got fivisco meetings actually which are still an elicitation task but they are not our domain so that should help some okay well that is good and they have been declared hub so they will accrue all of the normal annotations of course yeah you will never get the t 0 and dfki stuff on it because they are only building stuff with the one domain so okay so we want to decide what waiting should do next and maybe think about meeting and i do not know yeah just figure out how we are going to help them to try to make this more efficient so before we do that can i just ask you a question about chunking in the beginning you said something about you were doing this chunking and you are doing it on the ixie data but this was did you say it was not picked up in ami i was confused about i mean i was supposed to chunk part of the amm meetings enough to see if the chunk of channel sweetboard works well enough or not if not then we have to use some kind of simsifized running or some bootstrapping to do chunk and you have not done it yet no no because i was a bit worried about this kind of this construct that that is fine so that is still on the agenda to do at some point yeah but we should make sure we finish that off because otherwise that works just wasted right yeah exactly we are going to use chunks for something useful yeah chunks are going to be made identities if nothing else right or building blocks i mean so i mean we have to think about how chunking interacts with the automatic segmentation you know because barbara was showing automatic segmentation at which level the low level dialog act yeah and i mean it seems to me that chunking should have some kind of so if your dialog act segmenter says there is a segment here but your chunker said no this is a coherent chunk yeah that is a problem yeah you know i mean maybe they could work together to do a better job then certainly if you have got chunks it ought to help you know where your dialog act foundries better not be right yeah yeah it may be even more mechanical than that based on the examples we are seeing from dfki because they are their hand marking stuff and the dialog act boundaries are supposed to be intentional but they seem to always be marking them that after verbs you know with claws right it is very it looks quite mechanical so we are querying them about this because that is not the way they are supposed to be doing it right okay good so it it sounds like well well hold on but when do we need chunking by and you know so i do not like the idea that you know you start something and then 18 months later you pick up to do the last 10% of the work to finish it off or whatever so i like things kind of tidy right so how much work is there left and when do we actually need it by would be useful to discuss well you wanted to do the chunking on the ami data right yeah because the ami data is is there there is i mean there is the hubs of a is transcribed i think in final form we can check the wikis but you know the data is rolling in so we got stuck at some point on evaluation of chunking right the problem was you did not have icsi data that was hand labeled for chunks and we decided labeling the icsi data for chunks would be probably difficult and maybe not very useful and so it barbara still says somebody is done this for chunks okay i will have to look up okay so if there was hand labeled data that you could evaluate against so train on some and evaluate on some would not that because you have trained on switchboard right where there are chunks so if you had some icsi data that you could maybe use i do not know as a what is the there is a training set and then there is the development set and then there is a test set maybe you would use some chunk ixie stuff as development or something do some last tweaks and then evaluate but you know i mean i can see why wei ching did not want to spend his time chunking ixie which means we have to get some portion of the data hand chunked but that should be that hard to do right how much data do you need how much i do not read lips what was that is that much and switchboard switchboard is all chunked yeah yeah the data how much data you need was not a problem with the switchboard because he had lots so you did not have to think about how much so we need to know how much data you need hand chunked and then how do you hand chunk stuff right so you were working on instructions for doing hand chunking no you had pen tree bank parses and you moved chunks from that but then there were 2 possible options for doing this on the ami data you could either essentially go the same route as they did with the switchboard you know do the pen tree bank and then create the chunks off that or you could chunk directly and it was not clue to us which one of those 2 methods was the right way to do this direct chunk because we are not going to build any tree out of the emi data right well so you have to produce this part of this exercise is anybody going to try to parse the emma data you would have thought so but i do not know so diff kai because they are working on some hpsg 0 yes yeah i would forgotten about that yeah it might be maybe yeah but that is not very similar well i do not know very much well i do not know very much about grammar is that similar enough that the same method could apply that we derive chunks off the hpsg output i guess if they are different then we might just sort of write narscript to do the translation i think you might lose a lot in you know the step so basically your chunker is trained on something that was derived off penn treebank and it might be different enough that that actually causes it not to match you know if you are suddenly evaluating against chunks that we are done using hpsg i do not know about grammar but you know to look at some of the details to see well they are using the erg right which probably has maybe finer which i believe has finer grain distinctions and different labels and the mapping can be pretty difficult for this right or is it easy to map between finer grain distinctions it is probably easy to dumb down the hpsg parse to because the penn tree bank parses are pretty minimal because they did not want to commit to a specific grammatical theory so i mean it probably is worth looking at because they are doing this with dan flickinger right which is the same parser as the redwoods tree bank was made with that alex talked about yesterday so you can look at redwoods parses and see how different they are from tree bank parses and you might want to talk to alex to find out if somebody is already done this turn redwood stuff into tree bank stuff so that they can compare you know against results that are reported on tree bank the names would suggest that this was the idea right well that was the idea i believe but it was supposed to be another tree bank right so that sort of assumes that we think it is better to do this by deriving chunks from some parsed format than just hand chunk in the stuff well the good thing about that is that then you know that when you go through and parse you will be getting the same chunks as when you do this process automatically because the problem when you go through and hand do it is then suddenly you introduce your automatic method and your accuracy can go way down sometimes it does not you know sort of for part of speech tagging you know whether you do it by hand or machine it is pretty much the same accuracy right so let us try it this way and then that puts off the question of when do we have to do this to when we get hpsg stuff right so can you ask dfki whether they can give us a couple of me meetings run through their hpsg process i do not even know what time scale they had in mind i mean is this something they were doing it at the moment but i do not know whether this was very preliminary or do you remember they talked about it at the meeting that we went to in 2020 i was thinking enska day why can not i remember the right name of this place yes twente which you were there gene yeah yeah you are expecting me to remember stuff are not you no no no no i know you missed a meeting and 0 yeah and so there may have been 0 i do not even know which one i missed brussels amsterdam you missed the one in tno tno okay see i was not there so i do not know where we were was yeah yeah difficult this work in mobile project we see hpsg person yeah on which projects are i did not get that verbal mobile right yes yes they did so ask them right well that is that is what alex talked about yesterday right the pars i mean that was not something she did but that is the data she is using right so we have all that stuff here you know the parsed verb mobile material so you can look at that and see what the parsed trees look like you do not need to wait for dfki and if it turns out that you think 0 there is no way i can map these into pan treebank style bracketing then we have to think of something else okay okay but i think they had that in mind so it is worth also talking to her about that okay good so it is talk to alex see if it looks like it maps by looking at the verb mobile if it does ask dfki either for data or a timescale and you are going to need to know how much data you need in order to do that so do you have a technique for estimating how much data you need not sure i do not know how you do that so who knows how you do that everybody always says there is no data like more data okay so just ask the fki how much data and when right you know i mean the typical thing is to do leave one out cross validation with you know yeah i know 89 dialogs okay so i train on 88 or i train on 1999 okay but we do not have any particular time in mind when we need a chunker that works on this stuff well the question is what is chunking going to help i mean i think chunking could help automatic dialog act segmentation i think chunking could help as you mentioned named entity recognition like if we did a chunked version of the ami data and stuck it in the cvs under the automatic contributions then people would end up using it because they do that right so the question is at what stage should we put that in well we would want to make sure we are pretty happy that it is reliable yeah so post evaluation so we can put in some idea of what the evaluation is like yeah i mean otherwise you get these very bizarre results because the data is not really very good so but nobody has expressed like massive interest in chunking so i think nobody is waiting for it nobody is relying on this summer but we could i think we should talk to barbara about how to do some joint experiments or if she is going to be sending other people maybe liz or whoever comes over next time and it would actually be great if it was liz because i think she is the one who did the dialog act segmentation so when do you think that would be when did she something she just said that hopefully by the next meeting she would be bringing someone else or someone else would be coming instead of her but that is a pretty tight time scale then right because it would be for the full we would want to know the evaluation is that the time scale you are thinking of not to have it done but just to talk about how it could interact with automatic dialog act segmentation and i guess we should talk to yoshi about it in relationship to named entities who is doing named entities besides yoshi vessel i think okay so we could talk to vessel about that as well i think you should still ask barbara again you know can you have another think about who might have the chunking stuff because she has said several times there must be somebody and she can help with that and i think she is just forgotten so and then we can evaluate on the ixie you know pretty easily so one thing that would be very helpful for me because i have not read i think we are in a situation where jean you know has read a lot of the thing lot of literature and i have read a lot of literature and we there is some overlap but there is also quite a big space where we do not know the literature from the other side and since you are going to be reading it i mean it would be probably be useful if you made some kind of you know report that described you know okay this is what these people you know this is you know a synthesis okay here is the basic idea behind exchange structure and you know here is a couple of you know here is the 2 most relevant works that i have read or something like that you know to just yeah even if it is just you know on a wiki the references and then why they are relevant right i mean you do not want to make this really formal or even just like a paragraph of you know the basic idea just because you know obviously i am not going to go off and read all this kind of stuff because i do not have time and you probably do not have time to read all this collaborative problem but that would help us be a lot more specific than just you know listing bullet points on slides because then we would know sort of which literature you are thinking of putting in and we could read the most important well and anyway every time you write a paper you have got to go back and do this related work thing anyway so it just makes it a lot easier to get that common ground i think i think it is a real advantage that we have read different things and come at it from a different side because i think the previous approaches have not really you know they have not addressed this problem yeah you know the good features from you know both sides and tried to put them together yeah i am going to have to go very soon because i have got this hearing to go to but i can send you so the practical actions you know what are the things we are going to go away and do well i think we both want to send well i do not know maybe you have already done this but you know i will send you or we can you know chat offline for a minute about the list of things that i think you really need to take a look at and gene probably maybe you should do the same okay so then later yeah okay and if sabrina has any ideas we would be happy to hear from sabrina as well right now i am trying to do the meeting action segmentation because after talking to jean just we have different ideas whether meeting action will be about the same size as topic segments so it would be good to right now i am doing this looking at the data and trying to see if i can do the mating action segmentation 1st on the skin and then do topic segmentation again to see if the boundary actually coincide with each other if that do then maybe we can talk again yeah so you can do this exercise and then come and talk to me sometime next week i am not in monday but the other day i will be around all right yeah i have just started and so far i think it is i think it is still about the same level of segmentation we are talking here but maybe the boundary will not be exactly the same yeah this is interesting but i do not think we can afford to look at this right now so why do not you bring it by next week and what i really want to do concentrate just now is finding out how we are going to help waging with making progress on this so we have already got you know he is going to construct a list of the references he thinks is important and i and you as well are going to contribute to that and we can put that on a wiki or we can do it some other way i mean you know i am wiki mad so if we share it it should go on a wiki because i can not find anything in my email but you know you do not have to do that and then how do we you are actually so what you are doing is taking all of the most important references for finding argument structure that might eventually be of some use to a meeting browser and trying to look at actual data and apply and see like which one helps you figure out what you are actually going to do with this particular data right so it seems to me that we should take like the frontrunner scheme and the data you should look at not frontrunner scheme but frontrunner theory and see if you can speak to the data you know using that kind of theory at some point that might be an interesting exercise right well i think we need to like you mentioned earlier factor in what this might be used for in the end and so even if it will not be used maybe if it would need some higher level analysis before it could be directly used for that purpose we should still keep that in mind and so i think going through the presentations that were given at the work package 6 meeting where i think it was it was not was it anita or was it i forgot in her name the other woman from 20 you know they talked about they had done a lot of questionnaires and they got some user requirements out of that and then steve presented the results of following people around and looking at how they used their notes from meetings and so that would give us some ideas about you know what people want you know out of meeting records but then we should also add things that we think are interesting it is a good starting point but just to keep some of these goals in mind because one scheme might let you answer this set of questions but would not help you at all with another set of questions exactly yeah so you want to go through basically the user requirements and maybe think about some user requirements if you want to make a case for these are the kinds of things that we would want and look you are going to need this kind of dialog or argument structure for it so should we expect that all the slides from like the work package 6 meeting or the joint work package 5 work will be up on one of the work package websites and if not how do we make that happen i will think about that okay some of this was presented in at least the one spider phone or the 2nd spider phone telecon i went to for work package 6 so if they are not on the web we can try to look at that you know at the materials that were presented in that telcon without necessarily listening to the whole telcon yeah yeah so we are just trying to get records i mean i am sure they are not on the web yet and steve and his i have forgotten the name was it simon yeah yeah they i think they may have written this up in a report but i would hope that is on the work package 6 website as well okay so we are going to go through the requirements like that and did you think that was reasonable to after that to try and actually you know take some theory that seems fairly reasonable and think about particular data and come and talk once he is read a couple more i mean he is just completely missed out the collaborative problem solving world which i really think we need to take into account i mean you may take it into account and say no you are wrong and here is why but i am going to need some convincing yep so then try a frontrunner scheme on well a frontrunner theory or 2 and see this one gives you this and this one and can not you know are they fundamentally incompatible or can we but try it informally yeah yep when do we get together again because i really do have to go okay i promise these guys i would be there i think this is going to take about 3 weeks because he has got plenty of reading to do huh so maybe we get together again reading lists before that though so yeah i mean i will send them the references immediately so we will get together in about 3 weeks is that enough time for you do you think is that enough time for you to read and think about i would try my best if it is too tight you know i think we can say 4 are you going to be on holiday i might yeah because julia and the boy is here so it is a little tiring because my parents have left yeah so i might take 2 weeks off in may okay so we should get together probably in about 4 weeks yes so when are you going to bring this beautiful baby in to see everybody i hope so very see good good that is great right i am going to head off yep well good luck because solving your problem floods are more important than dialog structure i am afraid you have to tick and tick it does something weird when you do that i do not know so i am going to leave it here for now 0 she said you can take them like this they have often recorded yeah i thought she would photocopied him before okay we will check with her okay okay okay thank you thanks a lot too thanks i always like dialog structure yeah i have done a lot of dialog structure so no i have done a lot of dialog structure so where is my mind so where is my point we were trying to call up here to tell you that i was going to be a few months late because i was going to phone with ivana trying to organize the biva for monday and so i said call the instrument in a meeting room and i want to have a phone number and david said yes but then he said by them i better have electricity to the change okay okay can i take it now yeah you can not check the next you do not check to see how good the pens are at before you well i mean you know some are a lot but i am not going to know okay okay i checked my note and okay box right i have checked my note and okay box right it is not too old here yeah we already told them we have already input that into me okay" ]

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[ "okay right conceptual design meeting right okay so right well from the last meeting i was trying to send you the minutes but it did not work out too well so maybe in sort of quick summary of the last meeting i can quickly give you what we what we had right so wishing i had not closed the damn right so we had the fact that we are going to have the the logo the company logo in its color scheme incorporated onto the the device the remote device we had made our decisions about made our decisions about the device itself that it was going to be simple to make it enable us to complete the project in time we are going to have effectively 2 pages a front page which had the features that the the customers most wanted and then the the backup features on the 2nd page so that it could meet the technical requirements and the customers would not have to look at them too often only as and when required so so basically what decisions have we made have there been any changes i think we all have a presentation again so if we go through those and then right yeah 3 presentation yeah shall i go 1st again so yeah fine okay i see this a little more smoothly than the last one okay right let us get started basically the for the i will back actually for the components design next step is basically the the way the remote is going to work is still the same idea as before we still have the user interface which is all the buttons we are going to incorporate then there is a chip and still the sender so yes including the power s supply as well i will go on to my findings in each of these areas 1st in the power supply we have the option of just the standard battery there is a dynamo any of you think of kind of like the the old torches which you wind up there is a kinetic option which if any of you have seen those new watches which you kind of you power up by waving around it just requires a small amount of movement which would mean the batteries would not have to be replaced that is one option but i think that was going to cost a little more and then there is solar cells as a final option for the buttons we have an integrated push button which is 0 just to say all all these are supplied by real reaction so i guess for the ease of for quickness and ease we should take them from at least like one of these options so for the buttons there is an integrated push button which i guess is just the same as the standard ones okay this says it is similar to the button on the mouse for a normal for like like modern computer there is a scroll wheel which is you know the new mouse has just got like the center section which you can scroll up and down which may be for the volume you could do do that one issue for the buttons is depending on which material we use if we use rubber buttons then it requires a rubber case so we have to take that into consideration moving on to the printed s what would be the cost do do we know that is on the next i th i think the there was not too much difference in the cost that that related to the actual buttons but it does affect the printed circuit board which is the next section basically for the circuit board which is the middle it is just see it down there the chips like the like the workings of the actual of the remote the firm supplies a simple a regular and an advanced circuit board and there is different prices according to each so if we have got the scroll wheel for one of the buttons that would require a slightly more advanced circuit board than if we just had a standard push button one final thing we came up with was some information on the speech recognition there is a small unit available through the company which obviously would be an extra cost but it would not affect the size of the remote too much and i guess that would require a more advanced circuit board so there is an extra price in that sense there is th sorry an extra cost in that sense going to my personal preferences i thought possibly for power we could use kinetic which is the idea of the watches that you move you move the remote around to power it up and this would avoid batteries running out having to replace batteries and such like for the buttons i thought we would probably get away with just having the standard push buttons rather than the scroll wheel and for the circuit board again depends on which features we want in the actual in the remote so if we wanted the scroll wheel and wanted the voice recognition then we would have to get a a more costly circuit board and that is it kay with the printed circuit boards you were going for the thanks i it kind of depends if we are going to have the speech recognition we would have to probably get an advanced one i am guessing but i do not know so that is something i will have to look into but are we going f r right that is a that is a decision for all of us so are we able to make that decision now in a sense that this is the point at which we are discussing that issue yeah yeah we decide so would it not be best to rather than i mean one way is to do each of the presentations and then make decisions going back to the various presentations as they were yeah the other way would be to do the presentation and then make the decision at that point in time yeah that is probably a better one to discuss it straight away maybe w cause at that point then you have got the details up there so if we wanted to know for instance that the scroll wheel required the regular and what required advance then if we were able to see that down then we could make the decision at that point in time and then that would be the end of that issue does that make sense yes i have a lot of the information there it might not be very clear is there unless you want to plug it back in to yours we could do yeah yeah we should as i say it only specified that we need a more advanced circuit board for the scroll wheel it did not the voice recognition came as a separate piece of information no the scroll wheel required the regular so the yeah if if you down it is just this bit at the bottom which i have highlighted but the scroll wheel requires a mini m minimally a regular chip which is in the higher price range okay i think the scroll wheel the display requires an advanced chip the display requires an advanced chip which in turn is more expense also the display is for something else which we decided against but that bit okay and note that the push button just requires a simple chip so that would keep the price down down yeah and if we are going for sleek and sexy i think a scroll wheel is maybe a bit kinda bulky i i have got pictures well i have seen pictures with it kind of sticking off the side of it and they do not really look great right kay okay so maybe just a simple push button and that would cut costs on the so so we are going for p okay so is so are we going for the w are we going for the simple one are we yeah a simple pushbuttons okay simple push button did everyone get this on the speech recognition the it was basically what we said before the idea that you record in a set message and then it picks up that message and replies to you yeah so it is basically the concept we discussed before but then we do not know for sure whether it would require a more complicated circuit board i am guessing it would but got like the definite information maybe we should go on what we are certain of rather than so if we go for the simple push button so effectively we are going for the simple printed circuit board are we or are we going for the regular if it is just the push button then it just needs the simple circuit board but is there any other i mean okay that is true for the for for that element but we have to take all el elements into consideration and so if there is one element that requires the more expensive one or say the regular one or the more advanced then that would have to be the same for all of them s i suppose we need we need to find out what circuit board that requires maybe before we m make a decision but but the way that i interpret that it does not seem to send out a signal to the telly right it just it is like a parrot just representative reply replying to your message 0 yeah i suppose so yeah so maybe that would be something separate yeah so i do not think it would effect our circuit board yeah no okay so we would have a simple circuit board and that would be an extra that would be in addition to it yeah yeah and i do not think you could really perform any of the remote functions with it 0 that makes sense cause the example that they have given there is good morning coffee machine good morning jo it might be useful to say like where are you remote okay here i am jo yeah but i think that is maybe as far as that one could go okay yeah yeah that makes sense so we would stick with the simple circuit board and then think of the speech recognition as an extra an extra possibility yeah just as a fun way to find it simple circuit board okay simple push button okay w w kinetic and it says that i think it said the cost of that is not too much you were you were wanting to go for the kinetic power supply yeah i i thought so just for just for ease of not having to replace the batteries and how does it get charged up it is i think it works on the basis they have some kind of ball bearings inside it is it is some on watches which you you kind of you shake to power it up somehow the mechanism inside powers up through movement okay so you would you would move the remote around a little bit and then that powers it up to use it okay yeah so the speech recognition was are we going for speech recognition no cause that required the advanced i think it would be helpful to find it but i do not think it would just yeah i think did we decide it did not affect the circuit board it just affected yeah i think so just just for the call and find thing it was just i had speech recognition requires advanced req require 0 no th that is what that is what i thought but maybe maybe it does not i think i might have got that wrong 0 cause it is s it is separate is not it it is not part of the so okay speech recognition you reckon then is s simple it is it is just an addition thing it is yeah and so we would want it in as an extra because it does not appear to cost too much would that be kay kay shall i pass on to you now i think in fact it would not really cost anymore would it i will just just check what it said actually i do not think it really says anything about the cost but it says that it is already in the coffee machines so yeah like it is already kind of i assume it would cost extra but maybe we maybe we will find out how much that does cost and have to decide slightly later and then have to change all change everything at the last minute okay s 0 that was quick okay so very brief presentation from looking at the remotes that are out there at the minute none of them are particularly sleek and sexy i have not actually got the examples of the scroll button there but there is some curved cases that you can see a range of sizes all of them have a lot of buttons there they seem to just have the rubber buttons does that move it sorry it just seems to be skipping on without us doing anything yeah i have found that try and get it back if you right click and then go onto a previous slide ah it is alright okay right there was not much more to say about that just rambling some of the remotes that i looked at one of the models da did actually have voice recognition where you could where it was connected to the remote control functions and it was quite a swish model where it can control 4 devices t v cable satellite video d v d audio so that is a bit of competition there so i mean maybe it is better not to try and compete with that sort of thing and just to market it as a completely different like different viewpoint as a kind of finding your lost control rather than trying to compete with the functions yeah yeah the scroll buttons as you have already mentioned there is examples of those but they do not look as sleek as other models and there is no real advantage and because it impacts on other on the materials and the price it is not great on the price yeah so you were saying the scroll buttons yeah th there was a specialist type of remote that we could think about there was children is remote where they just had a very limited range of buttons and they were b bright and colorful and you you could program them so that they could only look at certain channels kay but i do not know if that is really in our field but that is something that is out there i guess i guess we are going for the biggest market maybe not but was it was it specified that we went for the biggest well we are to go for the international market rather than a local market but that that would not necessarily preclude the one thing that you can often do with products is you can make small modifications so you have your basic model which you would sell at whatever and then you could have additional features in you know like a you would have model one model 2 and model 3 and therefore you can sub divide your market up but that is really where your field is so maybe the children is remote should be like a a next step but maybe i dunno for ours maybe we should anyway you could add on for an extra package but on this basic one i am reckoning that we are going for the basic model to be discussed here and that you would have for future reference the possibility of adding in extra features at extra cost to take care of specialist market segments okay right well that is something that we can be aware of is that so so what are we deciding to do here i think because there is already very good voice recognition technology out there right and because ours might not cover the same functions that the leading brands do it might be a good idea to market it as a finder function the fi yeah the finder function rather than as a speech function to find your remote yeah yeah so you also said for going for the international market that some some maybe older people might not like the speech recognition okay 0 yeah s s so different languages might not be compatible yeah yeah it w it would make it quite complicated where ours at least keeps it fairly simple and then the yeah cause i think you program this one yourself like to say like whatever you want to your question yeah yeah yeah and ours is quite a cheap device so i do not know how much we will be able to put into it yeah yeah so you would have a finder feature rather than a voice recognition feature maybe unless something else comes up and you were talking and you were talking about scroll buttons yeah i think i think we have decided that it is going to increase the cost and give no real kinda extra benefit and it is going to decrease from the sleekness of it okay yeah b alright so we are just going to have the the rubber buttons was that right yes yes and just to be aware that there are kind of specialist functions and specialist remotes but we probably do not want to focus on those like such as the children is remote okay so not to be focused on yeah there was a mention just as kind of a warning about button design just to avoid ambiguity so it gave the example of say your volume buttons for up and down they might both have a v on for volume let us think how they did this good in in flip it round in 90 degree a 180 degrees and have it up and down i am just going to check so i do this right an upside down v so that would show that volume was going up whereas the one underneath would see the volume going down what did they say i think the thing was that if you decide to do this to have triangular buttons somebody might look at this one and say 0 well this triangular button is pointing up and that is the 1st thing that they see actually that can not be right can it right 0 well no they might see yeah they might see this pointing down and think right that is going to turn the volume down whereas the actual button is pointing up so the function is to turn the button up so be careful what you put on the buttons and be careful of the shape that you make them because they might be kind of 2 so maybe we could have like yeah contradicting kind of shapes yeah i i know what you mean so maybe we could have volume written on the side and then up and down on the on the buttons themselves yeah yeah you could have volume up and volume volume up down and like that possible and cause the idea was to have limited it was to have sizable amount of information on it yeah yeah limited number of buttons yeah cause it was 16 buttons was not it that were yeah we got it down to not too many and i think that is all i had to say for that okay so what was the decision on the design of the volume button are we are we going to go through the design of all the buttons at the moment or are we going to t i have i have got some things to say about possible design things from yeah maybe we should see yours 1st 0 okay okay trend watching cool right i have been looking at some trends in in sort of basically fashion on top of doing the research into the remote control market the the one that is the one i talked about last time that we would sort of asked people about remote controls and what what was good about them what was bad what they used and we have also been looking at sort of fa sort of fashions and what people are wanting out of consumer goods at the moment so we have had people in paris and milan watching the fashion trends you know yourself so so just to summarize the most important things which came out of the remote control market investigation the most important thing was that the thing sort of look and felt fancy rather than just functional kay and 2nd there should be some technological innovation and then 3rd and l less important than the other 2 there should be an ease of use as well and apparently the fashion trends are that people want sort of clothes and shoes and things with a fruit and vegetables theme but the feel of the material should be spongy which is contrary to last year apparently i presume it must have been not not spongy last year so we need to emphasize the fancy design with on on our remote control above all else and then also try and add in technological informat innovation which could be our sort of find the thing with a hand clap and then we need to ma sort of make it easy to use that is as a 3rd priority so perhaps fewer fewer buttons and functions as we have as we have discussed and then maybe find a way to incorporate these trends so that we sort of capture people is imaginations so maybe we could make the buttons shaped like fruit and veg or the the buttons could be spongy somehow maybe we could make them out of rubber rather than sort of hard plastic and then sort of even wackier than that we could maybe have a fruit or vegetable shaped remote say in the shape of a banana or something like that right so that will be it maybe a banana or courgette or something how how far we actually want to go along and sort of follow the trends do we think the trends are particularly important for this type of gadget or or you know do they not matter that much i think if you start making the buttons fruit shaped it might make it more complicated to use well you were just talking about you have got to be careful how you shape your buttons cause you are can mis direct people and i would have thought the functionality cause the people get cheesed off by things by having to read instructions et cetera so yeah yeah maybe just one button say the standby button is quite kinda separate from all the other functions maybe that could be a little apple maybe yeah and then that would not get in the way of like kinda one to 9 and it would not confuse the numbers okay now yeah stand by button no th that that incorporates the trend whilst at the same time not confusing people if you are looking for functionality well i dunno i i guess maybe fruit and vegetables may be popular at the moment but as we know how fickle the fashion markets are maybe but what are they going to be next yeah what are they going to be next year yeah yeah but but th but okay but you you can incorporate the tr if y if you change all the buttons then you have got the problem that this year is fruit and veg s next year is i was going to say animals or elephants or w whatever yeah i am not that means you are constantly changing your production schedule and you have got to make different molds and everything else so that is not a good idea i would i would suggest yeah i am not i am not sure what what what the sort of timescale we are thinking of selling the product over is i do not know i mean it just seems realistic that the remote control market is not the kind of thing which takes in those kinds of fashion trends yeah yeah to something which is maybe more universal well but i suppose as long as it is quite a subtle design even if the design kind of changes we c maybe can imply a fruit shape possibly ah d d but if maybe the spongy feel is something we could think about well yep maybe still with a rubber design we could was that in the sort of fashion sense that this or was the spongy feel was that sort of fashion it was was not it yeah it seems like you are going to have rubber cases as well as buttons so the yeah yeah and that you can make them curved or double curved and that would be the kind of sleek and sexy look 0 yeah yeah one of the things were if you had rubber buttons then you had to have a rubber case 0 right that fits does not it 0 no no no sorry it is if you use the rubber double curved case then you must use rubber buttons that is the way round if you have the rubber case then you have to have the rubber buttons to go with it which makes sense right rubber buttons require rubber case and that would fit in with what we want would not it for the spongy feel to have everything rubber so yeah the m the main problem is how f how frequently do the fashions change cause in essence in the production you want things to stay you want to basically mint them out cause if you have got fashion changes and that you are incorporating then it means that your stock is is last year is stock and therefore you are selling it or having to sell it at a discounted rate which you would not want to do yeah whereas if you kept the product the same but you could have a difference from year to year it seems to me that you could incorporate a fashion statement if you like rather than changing the whole kit and caboodle okay yeah yeah you are just changing one aspect like like the standby button or something like that and especially cause then you could make it something that i suppose we maybe are limited in the fact that we still have to put the logo on the actual would or not well you might be limited in space that yes yeah well you 2 are obviously going to find that out fairly quickly when you move over to your kit modeling stage as to how much pl how much how much how pliable is plasticine yes yes maybe we could think of the the cases like changing with the fashions like the nokia phones where you could take the casing off the outside but whether that would be too much to incorporate in production whether that would just increase the costs make it more complicated that is possibly it so you are talking there about changing changing the casing yeah the a the actual the sort of the look from the outside so where the buttons would stay the same and the general function of the remote would stay the same but you could change the the way it looked yeah and then you could have 0 but you still would have to have the logo on every new case yeah that is true but you could have like pink cases for girls and red ones and things like that yeah you you could do a color change so therefore you would yeah yeah i mean that is effectively what they did with the with the mobile phones was to have some in blue yeah some in red some in rather than all in black or you know which 4 do you want as long as it is black but so so it is a possibility but we are supposed to use the company color scheme are not we we have not really seen that yet yes 0 that is true that might no 0 okay yes that is yeah it might and we might be able to do both but it might clash with certain things well not necessarily because you could have your company we are we are meant to be finishing up you could have your company badge and logo i mean a lot of computers for instance like like on the one you have got there it actually has a sort of stick on badge so what you would al all you would really need whether it you know whether the casing be w any color could be any color but that badge would then have to stick out on top of it so that in a sense with a with a logo like that because it is on a white background the only color that it might not stick out so well on would be a white casing cause you you know you are sort of you are badging it and in fact a lot of companies get somebody else to make them and literally just badge them themselves with their own badge over the top and in fact the way they have got that there even if you had that on a white which is the predominant color of the the windows badge you would still be able to see it clearly from you know a white casing product yeah so and whether we would have a big enough market to have this kind of like secondary market of selling the cases might be something to consider well if it is for young people like the phone generation yeah that sort of thing would probably go down well and the market research has been on that side of things has not it yeah yeah i mean it is people say that it is the look they want the fancy looking thing but i am yeah i am not convinced on whether having changeable covers would be something that people would buy into i think with the mobiles it is the you know it is a communication device people see you with it all about and yeah i suppose where you you keep the remote hidden under the sofa most of the time i if it it is in in the house is not it i suppose yeah i think okay so if we just went for one color of a rubber case so do not change case change case color and we are sort of saying no to that did we decide on the rubber case the spongy feel or did we think that that might go as a trend well it was different last year the trend was different last year apparently it was not not spongy feel but i do not know whether the trend will change i do not know whether it is one of those things that like sort of having all fruit shaped keys that that probably would go out of fashion very quickly whereas just the fact that it was a rubber case is probably less less of something that yeah yeah less likely to sounds reasonable y you are going to end up hating in a year you know if you are going for fashion trends like that they will need t you would have to have interchangeable cases so that you could or cause otherwise someone is going to have to buy a complete new remote rather than just a case so then th th that would yeah yeah it seems to make sense that we we would just maybe stick with the standard rubber case and then have the standard rubber buttons as well okay okay we have not really talked about the curvature of the case there is flat there is single curved and there is double curved i am not exactly sure what these things look like mayb maybe curves give it like the slightly more esthetic feel but the double curve would not require us to perform miracles with the plasticine well it says that when you say d when you say double curved what what exactly does that mean i am not exactly sure okay i will show you the remotes that i have got see how let us just get that bigger see how the 10 i am not plugged in am i no you are not connected to me anymore that does not help 11 thing to cons one thing to consider is that in some ways you want by having a fairly standard case it means they can all fit together on top of each other therefore for storage purposes in shops and the like and it makes it easier that you can if you can store them up on top of each other shall i just turn it round for time that should come up whereas if you do fancy things with it you then got to put it in a ca a a packaging box that that does that and the cost of packaging could be quite important vis a vis the total cost of the product yeah yeah so shall we go through quickly and just work out what we have decide on if we have to kind of so but yeah it is not very clear up there but you can see some of them have got kind of bulges no like the 2nd one and the end one where there is a curve there yep right i am not exactl i do not know if a double curve is maybe it comes up slightly or that is what i was trying to work out but it is a kinda sleeker look if you have got curves in there 0 right shall we s so do you want to go for curves more curves we are meant to be f we are meant to be finishing this meeting in about a minute or so definitely a single maybe a double yeah kay so shall we quickly shall we go for single curve just to compromise we will go for single curve yeah okay okay curved or double curved single curve so it is single curved so did we did we decide on the kinetic power supply the one you move around yeah i think that think that is a good idea yeah yep okay and the rubber push buttons rubber case rubber rubber buttons and case and we do not really know much about the color scheme or logo yet do we but possibly a sticker 0 we ca yeah yeah we will still have the are we going to go for the simple circuit board just to keep the cost down i th i think we can by by not having anything too complicated yeah yeah yeah and and the voice recognition we can use that can not we just to find it yeah yeah without affecting the circuit board yes yep and see we could always decide against it if something comes up that is just something to that we seemed to leave out okay and then are we going for sort of one button shaped like a fruit yeah that sounds like it would not do too much harm in a couple of years or veg what sort of shape do we want do not know maybe just so we have got spongy feel buttons as well have we as well as or w or was that yeah that is ru rubber buttons yeah yeah it was just so it is rubber buttons so it is not really spongy feel buttons it is just rubber buttons kay yeah with a rubber case right yeah so it is not too wacky reasonably spongy i guess yeah and the standby button is going to be different yeah okay i think an apple would be a good recognizable shape if you start getting into kinda aubergines and things it gets a bit weird yeah okay so what what shape are we making the standby button apple vote a apple 00 sorry yeah shall we vote on it yeah we will go for the a a a apples apples anyone got any suggestions apple apple a a qu quite a big one as well right okay ah a big apple well it could be red could be a red apple yeah either do not mind a red apple yeah cause we want to incorporate a bit of color if we can once we find out is it okay and then we are going to are you going to work on keeping the button design quite simple just like the just working out what we are going to do for the next time yeah yeah that seems pretty straight forward yeah cause most of them will just be kind of mainly circular or like very plain kay okay sorry what was that last thing again there just to keep the shape of the buttons simple right much option on that i thought you were going for a single curve and ah just the shape of the buttons alright and j yeah just keeping the sort of the labeling them labeling of them fairly simple as well yeah fairly sort of self explanatory right so shape of buttons simple okay so that is that i guess we should now go away and get these things sorted out i guess you 2 are on plasticine duty or whatever okay okay so is that the end okay looks like it okay" ]

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[ "thank you you know if you are not sure if you are not sure if you signed off a page see what happens i do not know that is mine okay right okay so right well from the last meeting i was trying to send you the minutes but it did not work out too well so maybe in sort of a quick summary of the last meeting i can quickly give you what we had right so we had right so we had the fact that we are going to have the logo the company logo in its color scheme incorporated onto the device the device the remote device we had made our decisions about made our decisions about the device itself that was going to be simple to make it enable us to complete the project in time we are going to have effectively 2 pages the front page which had the features that the customers most wanted and then the the back on features on the 2nd page so that it would meet the technical requirements and the customers would not have to look at them too often only as and when required so basically what decisions have we made have there been any changes i think we all have a presentation again so we go to those and then 3 presentations yeah so so go 1st yeah fine here i am going to start for the components design the next step is basically the way the remote is going to work is still the same idea as before we still have the user interface which is all the buttons we are going to incorporate then there is a chip and still the sender so yes it is just listed up there including the power supply as well i will go on to my findings in each of these areas 1st in the power supply we have the option of just the standard battery there is a dynamo if you think of the old torches which you wind up that kind of idea there is a kinetic option which is any of you have seen those new watches which you kind of power up by waving around it just requires a small amount of movement which would mean the batteries would not have to be replaced that is one option but that is going to cost a little more and then the solar cells there is a final option for the buttons we have an integrated push button which is 0 just to say all these are supplied by real reaction so i guess for the ease of quickness and ease we should take them from at least like one of these options okay so for the buttons there is an integrated push button which i guess is just the same as the standard ones it says it is similar to the button on a mouse for a normal computer there is a scroll wheel which is you know the new mouse which is the center section which you can scroll up and down which maybe for the volume do you do that one issue for the buttons is depending on which material we use if we use rubber buttons then it requires a rubber case to have to enter consideration what would be the cost do we know that is on the next i think there was not too much difference in the cost but it related to the actual buttons but it does affect the printed circuit board which is the next section basically for the circuit board which is the middle just to see them the chips like the workings of the actual remote the firm supplies are simple a regular and an advanced an advanced circuit board and there is different prices according to each so if we have got a scroll wheel for one of the buttons that would require a slightly more advanced circuit board than if we just had a standard pushback one final thing i came over for some information on the speech recognition there is a small unit available through the company which obviously would be an extra cost but it would not affect the size of the remote too much and i think i guess that would require a more advanced circuit board so there is an extra price in that sense there is an extra cost in that sense going to my personal preferences i thought possibly for power we could use kinetic which is the idea of the watches you move the remote around to power it up and this would avoid batches running out having to replace batches in such light for the buttons i thought we would put we get away of just having the standard push buttons rather than the skull wheel and for the circuit board again depends on which features we want in the actual mode so if we wanted the score wheel and one of the voice recognition then we have to get a more costly circuit board so with the printed circuit board you were going for the it kind of depends if we can have a speech recognition we would have to probably get an advance from i am guessing but i do not know so that is something will happen but are we going for right that is the decision forwards so are we able to make that decision now in a sense that this is the point at which we are discussing that issue so would it not be best to rather than i mean one way is to do each of the presentations and then make decisions going back to the various presentations as they were the other way would be to do the presentation and then make the decision at that point in time because at that point in time you have got the details up there so if we wanted to know for instance that the scroll for you required the regular or what required advance then if we were able to see that down then we could make the decision at that point in time and then that would be the end of that issue does that make sense i have a lot of the information there i might not be very clear unless you want to plug it back into yours i could do you it was as i say it only specified that we need a more advanced circle for the scroll wheel the voice recognition came as a set of piece of information the scroll wheel required the regular so the yeah if you look down it is just this bit of the bottom which i have highlighted but the scroll requires a minimum regular chip which is a normal regular chip which is an higher price range okay the display requires an advanced chip the display required an advanced chip which in turn is more expensive okay and no the push button just requires a simple chip so that would keep the price down yeah if we are going for sticking sexy i think the scroll wheel is maybe a bit kind of bulky i have got pictures i have seen pictures we have off the side of it right okay simple push bend and that would so we are going for okay so the pronunciation word is and so we go for the we are going for the simple one or we yeah simple simple push button we did everyone get this from the speech recognition it was basically what we said before the idea that you were called in a message and then it picks up that message and replies to so it is basically the concept we discussed before but then we do not know for sure whether it would require a more complicated circuit board i guess it would then i have got the definite information maybe we should go on what was this now rather than so we go for the simple push button so effectively we are going for the simple printed circuit board are we or are we going for the regular for the regular if it was just a pushband and it just needs a simple circuit but is there any other i mean okay that is true for that element but we have to take all them elements into consideration and so if there is one element that requires the more expensive one or say the regular one or the more advanced then that would have to be the same of them i suppose we need to find out what circuit boards that requires maybe we need a decision but the way that i interpret that it does not seem to send out a signal to the telly it is like a parrot to just reply to your message so i do not think it would affect our circuit board okay so we would have a simple circuit board and that would be an extra that would be in addition to it and i do not think it could really perform any of the remote functions with it because the example that they have given me is good morning coffee machine good morning joe it might be useful to see like where are you remote here i am joel but i think that is maybe as far as that one could go okay yeah that makes sense so we stick the simple circuit board and then think the speech recognition is nice to yeah this is a fun way to find it simple circuit board simple push button okay i mean kinetic you were wanting to go for the kinetic power supply yeah i thought so just for easy to replace the batteries and how does it get charged up it is i think it works on the basis to have some kind of ball bearings inside it is some one watches which you kind of you shake to power that somehow the mechanism inside powers that your movement okay the remote range a bit and then that powers it up to use it okay so the speech recognition was are we going for speech recognition now has that required the advanced i think it would be helpful to find it but i do not think it would yeah i said it did not affect the circuit board it just affected yeah no so speech recognition requires advanced or require that is what i thought but maybe it does not 0 okay okay speech recognition you reckon then is simple and so we would want it in as an extra because it does not appear to cost too much would that be okay should i pass it that would not really cost anymore would it i will just check what it said actually i do not think it really says anything about the cost but it says that it is already in the coffee machines so like it is already i assume it would cost x but maybe we will find out how much like those costs and then have to change on everything at the last minute okay okay so a very brief presentation so i am looking at the remotes are out there at the minute none of them are particularly sleek and sexy i have not actually got the examples of the scroll button there but there is some curved cases that you can see a range of sizes all of them have quite a lot of buttons there they seem to just have the rubber buttons is that nervous sorry it just seems to be skipped yeah i have found that and then you try and get it back have you right click and then go into the previous slide 0 that is right there was not much more to see about that just round with them some of the remotes that i looked at one of the models that did actually have voice recognition where you could where it was connected to the remote control functions and it was quite a swish model where it can control 4 devices to the satellite video dvd dvd audio so that is a bit of competition there so i mean maybe it is better not to try and compete with that sort of thing and just to market it as a completely different like different viewpoint as the kind of finding you lost control rather than trying to compete with the functions the scroll buttons as you have already mentioned there is examples of those but they do not look as sleek as other models and there is no real advantage and because it impacts on other materials in the price it is not great so you are saying the scroll buttons yeah there was a specialist type of remote that we could think about there was children is remote where they just had a very limited range of buttons in the world bright and colorful and you could program them so that they could only look at certain channels but i do not know if that is really in our field i guess we are going for the biggest market and maybe not but was it specified that we went to the biggest or to go for the international market rather than a local market but that would not necessarily preclude the one thing that you can often do with products is you can make small modifications you have your basic model which you would sell at whatever and then you could have additional features in you know like a model one model 2 and model 3 and therefore you can subdivide your market up but that is really more your fields maybe the children would be like an x step maybe you could add on for an extra package but on this basic one i am reckoning that we are going for the basic model to be discussed here and that you would have for future reference the possibility of adding in extra features at extra cost to take care of specialist market segments so so what are we deciding to do here i think because there is already a very good voice recognition technology out there right i was might not cover the same functions that the leady bands do it might be a good idea at the market it as a find a function yeah finder function rather than as a speech function to find your remote yeah okay they are going for the international market that some maybe older people might not like the speech recognition 0 yeah different languages it might not be compatible it would make it quite complicated where azzlies keeps it fairly simple and then they yeah because i think you program this one yourself like to see whatever you want to your question yeah and ours is quite a cheap device so i do not know how much we will be able to put into it so you would have a finder feature rather than a voice recognition feature and you were talking and you are talking about scroll buttons yeah i think we have decided that it is going to increase the cost and give real real tenance the benefit and it is going to decrease from the sleepless of it all right so we are just going to have the rubber buttons is that right and just to be aware that there are kind of specialist functions and specialist remotes but we probably do not want to focus on those like such as the challenge okay so not to be focused on yeah there was a mention just as kind of a warning about button design just to avoid ambiguity so it gave the example of say your volume buttons for up and down that might both have a v on for volume let us think how we did this could flip it around at 90 degrees 180 degrees and have it up and down an upside down v so that would show that volume was going up whereas the one underneath would see the volume going down i think the thing was that if you decide to do this to have triangular buttons somebody might look at this one and see 0 well this triangular button is pointing up and that is the 1st thing that they see 0 well no they might see yeah they might see this pointing down and think right that is going to turn the volume down whereas the actual button is pointing up so the function is to turn the button up so be careful what you put on the buttons and be careful of the shape that you make them because there might be kind of too contradicting the kind of shapes so maybe we can have sort of volume written on the side then up and down on the you could have volume up and volume volume down and because the idea was to have limited it was to have sizable amount of information on it limited number of buttons because it was 16 buttons was not it yeah we got it down to that and i think that is all i had to see for that so what was the decision on the design of the volume button are we going to go to the design of all the buttons at the moment i have got some things to say about possible design things okay right i have been looking at some trends in sort of this fashion on top of doing the research into the remote control market that is the one i talked about last time that we would sort of asked people about remote controls and what was good about what was bad what they used used and we have also been looking at sort of fashion what people are wanting out of consumer goods at the moment so we have had people in paris and milan watching via fashion trends you know they are yourself so just to summarize the most important things which came out of the control market investigation the most important thing was that the things sort of look and felt fancy rather than just functional and 2nd there should be some technological innovation and then 3rd and less important than the other 2 that there should be an ease of use as well and apparently the fashion trends are that people want sort of clothes and shoes and things with fruit and vegetables the feel of the material should be spongy which is contrary to last year apparently i presume it must have been not smartly last year so we need to emphasize the fancy design on our remote control above all else and then also try and add in technological innovation which could be our sort of find a thing with a hand clap and then we need to make it easy to use as a 3rd priority so perhaps a few of buttons and functions as we have a few of buttons functions as we have discussed and then maybe find a way to incorporate these trends so that we sort of capture people is imaginations so maybe we could make the buttons shaped like fruit and veg or the buttons could be spongy somehow maybe we can make them out of rubber rather than sort of hard plastic and then sort of even wacky than that we could maybe have a fruit or vegetable shaped remote say in the shape of a banana or something like that right so maybe a banana or a courgette or something how far we actually want to go along and sort of follow the trends do you think the trends are particularly important for this type of gadget or you know do they not matter that much i think if you start making the buttons fruit shift it might make it more complicated to use well you were just talking about you have got to be careful about it got to be careful about how you shape your buttons because you are going to misdirect people and i would have thought the functionality because the people get cheesed off by things by having to read instructions etc so maybe just one button say the standby button is quite kind of separate from all the other functions maybe that could be a little apple okay and that would not get in the way of like in a one to 9 and it would not confuse the numbers stand by button no that incorporates the trend whilst at the same time not confusing people if you are looking for functionality i do not know i guess maybe fruit and vegetables may be popular mode but what are they going to be next yeah what are they going to be next year but okay but you can incorporate the if you change all the buttons then you have got the problem that this year is fruit and veg next year is i was going to say animals or elephants or whatever that means you are constantly changing your production schedule and you have got to make different molds and everything else so that is not a good idea i would do this i am sure what the time scale we are thinking of selling the product over it so i do not know i mean it just seems realistic the remote control market is not the kind of thing which stays in those kinds of fashion and try and feel like to something which is maybe more universal well i suppose as long as it is quite a subtle design even if the design changes 0 but if the spongy feel is something we could think about well yep maybe saw the rubber design we could was that in the sort of fashion sense that this or was the spongy feel was that sort of fashion it was was not it yeah so the rubber cases as well as buttoned yeah yeah and that you can make them curved or double curved and that would be the kind of thing that is up 0 yeah one of the things so if you had rubber buttons then you had rubber buttons then you have to have rubber case 0 no no no sorry if you use a rubber double case then you must use rubber buttons that is right if you have the rubber case then you have to have the rubber buttons to get with it right rubber buttons require rubber case scrolling and that would fit in the bottle one would not it or the spongy floor to have everything rubber the main problem is how frequently do the fashions change because in essence in the production you want things to stay you want to basically mint them out because if you have got fashion changes and that you are incorporating then it means that your stock is is last year is stock and therefore you are selling it or having to sell it at a discounted rate which you would not want to do whereas if you kept the product the same but you could have a difference from year to year and it seems to me that you could incorporate a fashion statement if you like rather than changing the whole kit and caboodle you are just changing one aspect like the standby button or something like that and especially because then you could make it something that as soon as we may be limited the fact where you will have to put the logo on the edge well you might be limited in space yes well you 2 are obviously going to find it out fairly quickly when you move over to your kit modeling stage as to how much how pliable is plasticine the cases like changing in the fashion like the nokia phones where you could take the casing off the outside whether that would be too much to incorporate in production whether that would just think of the cost make it more complicated so you are talking there about changing the casing yeah the actual sort of the look from the outside so where the buttons were stayed the same and the general function of the remote would stay the same you could change the way it was yeah and then you could have 0 but you still would have to have the logo on every new case but you could have like pink cases for girls and yeah you could do a color change so that for you i mean that is effectively what they do whether the mobile phones was to have some in blue some in red some in some in rather than all in blacker you know which 4 do you want as long as it is black so so that is the possibility but we are supposed to use company class remote yes 0 that is true that might not well not necessarily because you could have your company or we are meant to be finishing up you could have your company badge and logo i mean a lot of computers for instance like on the one you have got there it actually has a sort of stick on badge so what you would do all you would really need whether the casing be any color could be any color but that badge would then have to stick out on top of it so that in a sense with a logo like that because it is on a white background the only color that it might not stick out well on would be a white casing because you are badging it in fact a lot of companies get somebody else to make them and literally just badge them themselves with their own badge over the top and in fact the way they have got that there even if you had that on a white which is the predominant color of the windows badge you would still be able to see it clearly from you know white casing product so whether we would have a big enough market to have this kind of like secondary market of selling the cases might be something to consider well if it is for young people like phone generation that sort of thing would probably go down well and the market research has been on that side of things is not it yeah i mean people say that it is the look they want a fancy looking thing but yeah i am not convinced on whether having changeable covers would be something that people buy into i think with the mobiles it is the you know it is a communication device people see you with it all about yeah i suppose where it is in the house is not it i suppose okay so if we just went for one color of a rubber case so do not change case change case change case color and we are sort of saying no to that do we decide on the rubber case the spongy feel or did we think that that might go as a trend well it was different last year the trend was different last year apparently it was not so much you feel but i do not know whether the trend will change i do not know whether it is one of those things that like sort of having all group shaped keys keys that probably would go out of fashion very quickly whereas just the fact that it was a rubber case it is probably less of something that you are going to end up hating in a year if you are going for fashion trends like that then you would have to have interchangeable cases so that you could or because otherwise someone is going to have to buy a complete new remote rather than just a case okay well have not we talked about the curvature of the case it is flat one single curved and it is double curved i am not exactly sure what do you think of like maybe curves give it like a funny more esthetic deal the double curve would not require us to perform miracles for the past when you say double curve what exactly does that mean i am not exactly sure okay i will show you the remotes that i have got see how the one i am not putting on that that does not help one thing to consider is that in some ways you want by having a fairly standard case it means they can all fit together on top of each other therefore for storage purposes and shops and the like and it makes it easier if you can store them up on top of each other whereas if you do fancy things with it you then got to put it in a packaging box that does that and the cost of packaging could be quite important vis a vis the total cost of the product yeah so if you go through quickly and just work out what we decided on we have to so but it is not very clear out there but you see some of them have got kind of bulges except one and the end one where it is a curve there i do not know if a double curve is maybe it comes up slightly that is what i was trying to work out but it is a kind of sleek at luck if you have got curves in there so you want to go for curves more curves we are meant to be finishing this meeting in about a minute or so we will go for single curve just to compromise we will give a single curve okay curved or double curve to it is a single curve so did we decide on the kinetic power supply yeah i think i am going around yeah yeah and the rubber push button love button the other button is in case i do not really know much about the kalaski or logo yet do we 0 possibly a sticker yeah yeah we will slide there are we going to get for the simple circuit board just to keep the cast down i think we can buy by not having anything to come here yeah and the voice recognition we can use that can not we just to find it yeah yeah we could always decide against it if something comes up but it is just something to weave out okay and then are we going for sort of one button like a root place yeah that sounds like you would not do too much harm in a couple of years what sort of shape do one so we have got spongy feel buttons as well have we as well as or was that that is rubber buttons so it is rubber buttons so it is not really spongy feel buttons it is just rubber buttons yeah with the rubber keys right and the standby button is going to be different yeah okay i think an apple would be a good recognizable shape if you start getting the all begions and things it is getting okay so what shape are we making the standby button apple 0 sorry should we vote on we will go for that athas a quite a big one as well 0 big apple 0 it could be red it could be a red apple yeah i do not mind a red apple yeah because we want to incorporate a bit of color if i can once we find out and then we are going to are you going to work on keeping the best in design quite simple just like the just working out what we are going to we are going to do for the next time yeah yeah that seems pretty straightforward because most of them will just be kind of merely circular or very plain okay so what was that last thing again there just to keep the shape of the button simple right do you have much option on that i thought you were going for a single curve and curve and just the shape of the buttons all right yeah just keeping the sort of labeling of them probably simple as well yeah all right so shape of buttons simple okay so that is that i guess that i guess we should now go away and get these things sorted out i guess you 2 are on plasticine duty or whatever okay so yeah looks like it okay" ]

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[ "okay so we are here for the concept design meeting so we will 1st start by summarizing the the previous meeting and the decision we have taken i will take notes during this meeting so that you can look at my folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards so each of you will show us the various investigation they have done during previous hours we will then t take decision in concert and then we will define the nest next task to have to be done before the next meeting so last time we decided to have a simple interface we also decided to have a wheel to change channel previous channel button channel digit buttons should be protected by plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple we have also button for volume and to switch on off the t v we have also the lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find and for fast development and low cost we have decided to have no l c d no voice features so now we will have 3 presentations so the conceptual specification by industrial designer the specification of the u i by or u i okay abdul al hasred is my name and the last point is trend watching by market expert so maybe we can start with industrial design so this is the presentation i d you want maybe i can switch slide on your request yeah i only v have 3 slides so i just look at the just this on some web pages to find some documentation and i think a remote control is as i s mentioned previously yeah you just have a a very simple chip and the the user interface is just done usually by push button and in our case we are using a a wheel control so i was looking basically for that chip which is very very standard and i just looked for the wheel sensor and the standard push button and yeah we can change directly yeah in fact i have the number of that element which is very standard for remote control the push button are usually extremely cheap but i just have one problem and this is related with the wheel sensor which seems to be quite expensive okay and i think we if we could just talk about that if we really need a wheel sensor or if we can not if if we could combine something with the push button okay a wheel sensor is 50 time the price of a a a push button yeah but is it a significant price on the whole remote control because we can afford up to €12 for the price of the remote control yeah yeah i i th so will will will this with including all possible things so buttons wheel and the chip be lower than €12 to produce but i do not think that we should we should talk about the design of the box also which needs some money yeah okay also have to say did you receive the email about the voice recognition but that is all yeah no you received something i have not chec yeah you we an email from the manufacturing division that they have basically a voice recognition chip already developed says yeah it says that ri right now they just use it to to record answers to particular questions but i guess it could be and could it be adapted i guess it is possible i mean instead of recording the answers you can just record something simpler like a command okay and there can recognize some commands and stuff yeah you reco recognize commands and you can record new commands and stuff so if they already have it as as a chip okay yeah then we we could use it okay maybe we can just listen to this presentation and then take decision later on according to those news okay yeah but i think it is yeah sorry i have not written my personal references the i i just want to mention the the problem of the the r wheels sensor which is much more expensive than any push button and if we could reduce that okay we we have already some good things with with the backlight of the push button i have a question about that actually what is the purpose of the light just to to make something which is slightly more design that a squarey box with a rubber is you can easily find the button in the dark or so but but in th in the dark yeah but is going to be always turned on the light it will be turned on when the when the user move the remote control i think no but if you move it then you have it you do not need to find it you can see the buttons better of course yeah yeah yeah yeah true yeah actually but if you move it then you have to have some sensor to when you move it to detect your movement as soon as you thought to move the the remote control you have the light yeah but you need another sensor for that right yeah again yeah no it is too expensive i do not think that this is really expensive but at the end this is plenty of unexpen eh very cheap devices but the bill starts to be okay extra yeah okay yeah but i expected also the wheel would be cheap but you tell me that it is very expensive so yeah 1st of all i was thinking to have a a continuous light and you w when t you you you you press the on button you have the light on your remote control when you want to turn off your device but it can be battery consuming no to have the light always on yeah a little bit a little bit well we will discuss that after maybe yeah okay the other presentations so my one it should be in the shared folder yeah so it was last time i saw it and it is okay so just move to the next slide okay so basically want very simple right that is the major idea as simple as possible yeah yeah so i just look at some current designs on the web of usually more complicated remote controls and let us look at 2 of them because th even though they have many buttons they look quite simple and in our case we just reject the buttons what we do not need and it become even simpler yeah so and also does it fit well in hand because it was th your wrist problem with the usage yeah well this these these remotes are quite big so go to the next page so we have all these buttons as you can see but most of them we just need the ones in the middle yeah yeah yeah so from the bottom or whatever is there the the numbers and then the top yeah until the 10 also this middle part and on the left one is exactly the same yeah so it is basically more or less how we would like it with a big volume control big channel control and mute and power yeah yeah these are the basic thing so it is only the central part so basically w software we will build will look more or less the same as these 2 yeah with a maybe a more ergonomic design on on the bottom part yeah if you have for example i think that the volume and the buttons that are there on the top are not very easy to reach with your thumb it could be on the right side for example yeah okay yeah because we do not have these input buttons and this other stuff that they have and i think that the plastic cover is not very good idea because okay you open it it can break you ca you can do various things you just need to put the channel numbers somewhere a bit out of the way okay s okay so that they are separate a bit yeah will be down or okay and it is easy to press the other the big buttons but it is not that difficult to press the the channel buttons either yeah i think that if you put the cover it will be even more difficult for the user okay alright you will not yeah usually what i have noticed that people put the plastic cover on things that you normally do not mess with like buttons for t tuning the channels and stuff like that okay yeah that you want to protect a bit and i think it is it is reasonable okay so i do not think yeah this is just the the wheel we could use the some wheels can be pushed down could use the push down of the wheel for the record if we want so we could just basically use one just wheel and user could use just the wheel to do everything with the channels in that case yeah maybe the wheel will be a good advantage over our competitors because otherwise it is pretty standard apart the fact that it is very simple so maybe it is worse to to have more expense on that is that aspect to s yeah i guess the market researcher will tell us all about that okay so we can move to the is there any question for designer of user interface or we can move to the next part maybe and discuss afterwards okay okay i can go can i yeah so now the recent investigation we we have done fo of the remote control so the most important aspect for remote controls is to be fancy look and feel and not current functional look and feel and the 2nd aspect is that the remote control should be technological innovative and the 3rd most important aspect is to to is that the co remote control should be easy to use okay so are things we are we have speak about before yeah yeah and so you you can go yeah after and there is a fashion watchers in paris and milan that have detected the following trends fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes shoes and furnitures so maybe if our remote control have to be a fruit form or vegetable form something like that or okay i support an apple and the the material is expected to be spongy i do not know which material can be spongy and if you yeah this is good also for well wou wou i think we can certainly just put the electronics in a spongy thing it it would work right yeah yeah yeah yeah i think it is good also f to have a spongy material yeah you can throw it to the television yeah because it is robust okay it is robust yeah yeah me too hey that is a cool one we could say that if you throw it you have a sensor and you throw it and hits the television and turns it off when it d takes a shock not good yeah sorry ah it is okay i know that they do that for alarm clock also an and and this you can yeah you can say that yeah you ca you can go before before yes no yeah before and you know here the more iz important aspect is the fancy look and feel after is technological innovative and after the easy to use yeah yeah yeah i think it is innovative to use the the wheel because i think no one else has yeah yeah that is why yeah that is why i think we have to keep that if it is possible has it yeah i think it is it makes it both easy and both innos innovative innovative so i think it is a good aspect and it should be kept how do we make it look cool is the question cool fancy yeah we have to make it l look like a fruit or vegetable yeah maybe a color that remember some fruit things like that what about 0 color yeah well the obvious thing is a banana i guess 0 i i maybe yeah i thought about a a pear for example you know the pear is like that and it is it is easy to to have in in hand and yeah and it is ergonomic as well yeah a pear the banana is also ergonomic yeah maybe pear yeah or something like that or a fruit like that i dunno yeah we can discuss that d d is is there anything you want to add is there any fruit that is spongy i do not think so i think we we can have like yeah a pear is good fit well or banana as you told yeah and for maybe look and feel what about a a piece of ice something like that with blue l e d inside but that is not in the trend you can make it yeah the trend is spongy and vegetable fruits yeah it is not hard the metal yeah i think p spongy is good because it it will be robust as well plastic yep so i think we can keep the wheel because it is easy it is innovative even if the cost is a bit higher and we also have to find a yeah so a fruit like pear or banana wit any others idea you have what kind of fr fruit would you like to to control your t v with odi banana i think it is a nice idea banana is also yellow so you you can not lost your remote control then because but yeah yeah you y you do not use the banana when the banana is curving like that but when the banana is curving like that 2 of the button yeah yeah with the wheel on the top and to control and here you have a a push button to yeah but you do not have i think it is a good idea yeah yeah so you can just have just have this curve yeah and you move your hand here to press the buttons and then you move on the other side yeah so you can have it on on 2 sides and it will be cool no yeah yeah i think it is a good design and it is innovative as well then maybe we can keep the banana and it will be very easy to find you can put also vibrator inside and everybody knows what is a banana yeah basically if you if you start with fancy fruits and fra s and tha ah ha you can also take into account the fact that the banana fits with the color scheme of our company 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah it is really really a good point i hope the students of management die but anyway now who are recording this meeting i think it so 12nd so we have to take some decision on this aspect so so for sorry for component so so we have to think about those aspects sorry so we will just use a a standard battery yeah and the chip we chip imprint we know exactly which one we are going to use what do you mean by case i think it is the box that should be spongy banana is shape yeah i mean for me if we use a a spongy banana case does not matter i just want to have so something to prin to to fix my my components onto that box and that is it the only th yeah y yeah that can be in inside th in the structure yeah yeah yeah but the thing is that the buttons and the wheel have to be i mean if it is spongy then the buttons and the wheel have to i mean if it is spongy then it is going to move spongy also right so it is going to be bend a lot so if we try to push the buttons it you think it is possible 0 no i think it is possible but no the button would be in fact it it should be something odd shaped with a spongy cover yeah okay yeah this is like the yeah okay odd shape with spongy cover and standard battery okay a chip imprint there is no specific problem so we agree to put the wheel wheel on the top button where do we want some buttons well usually hold kay we want it to be good also for the left hand users right yeah so it have to it has to be symmetrical yeah but okay sa let us say that th 0 it has to be basically you can only take 2 sides one on ths this side where is the thumb and the other side where there is yeah also the thumb yep yep basically or you could use use this one but i do not know if it is very comfortable to use this one for the wheel yeah maybe the thumb is more comfortable this for the wheel and then this for the buttons yeah i think it is okay for both right and left should have the 2 sides so if the left we have the op i think you can turn it this way also you can do both with both hands wheel wheel buttons yeah the problem is if you have buttons and wheel then when you turn it around the buttons are on the other side i think it is okay so you cannot see them well you you will get used to it yeah and moreover th the button ar are lighted so you you immediately identify the right side because you have light on buttons so the buttons have to be here and the wheel has to be y yeah i know but if you hold with your left hand and the wheel is here and the buttons are here then when you turn it around the buttons will be on the other side yeah no you you i think you will use it only on the right or left hand whether you are righty or lefty i think for lefty it is okay i can do this movement and for righty as well i think this does not change that much okay yeah okay maybe yeah so for interface we said also that we have this banana shape with button on the s on the side and and a wheel on the top yeah so the color is yellow i think it is we defined everything according to what we should what the decision we should take yeah so maybe we can we can work on those aspects until next meeting so have the final look and feel design according to the decision and have the the user interface design and then evaluate the prodyuc the product that is to say check if it fit the the requirement given by the users but according to your presentation it seems to be okay it seems to be fancy innovative and easy to use so so to prepare the prototype i would suggest that the industrial designer and the user interface designer work together that would yeah be better i think and and so you will receive further instruction by emails as usual so do you need to add anything yes master no you feel okay yeah you feel free to express what you want to say yeah you do not feel too constrained you do not feel free to answer this no maybe you can make okay okay so thank you see you" ]

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[ "0 yeah excuse me to put it to the step okay it is a nice picture okay so we are here for the concept design meeting okay so we are here for the concept design meeting so we will 1st start by summarizing by summarizing the previous meeting and the decision we have taken i will take notes during this meeting so that you can look at my folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards so each of you will show us the various investigations they have done during previous hours hours we will then take decision and concept and then we will define the next next task to have to be done before the next meeting so last time we decided to have a simple interface we also decided to have a will to change channel preview channel button channel digits buttons should be protected by plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple we have also button for volume and to switch on off the tv we have also the lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find and for fast development and low cost we have decided to have no lcd nor voice features features so now we will have 3 presentations so the conceptual specification by industrial designer the specification of the ui by or ui is my name okay and the last point is train watching by market expert so maybe we can start with industrial design so this is the presentation idea maybe i can switch slide on your request i only have 3 slides i just look at the just this on some web pages to find some documentation and i think a remote control is as i mentioned previously you just have a very simple chip and the user interface is just done usually by push button and in our case we are using a wheel control so i was looking basically for that chip which is a very very standard and i just look for the wheel sensor and the standard push button push button and yeah we can change directly in fact i have the number of that element which is very standard for remote control the push button are usually extremely cheap but i just have one problem and this is related with the real sensor which seems to be quite expensive okay and i think we if we could just talk about that if we really need a wheel sensor or if we cannot if we could combine something with a push button okay a real sensor is 50 times the price of a push button but is it a significant price on the whole remote control because we can afford up to €12 for the price of the remote control yeah so we will this with including all possible things so buttons will buttons will and the cheap be lower than €12 to produce but i do not think that we should we should talk about the design of the box so which okay i also have to say do you receive the email about the voice recognition 0 not so no you received something yeah we have an email from a manufacturing division that they have basically a voice recognition chip already developed it says right now they just use it to record answers to particular questions and could it be adapted i guess it is possible i mean instead of recording answers you can just record something simpler like and they can recognize some commands yeah you can recognize commands you can record new commands stuff so if you already have it as a other tip you could use it okay maybe we can just listen to this presentation and then take decision later okay according to those news but i think it is yeah sorry i have not written my personal references the i just want to mention the problem of the wheel sensor which is much more expensive than any push button okay if we could could reduce that we have already some good things with the backlight of the push button i have a question about that actually what is the purpose of the light just to make something which is slightly more designed that a square box with a you can easily find the button in the dark or so but in the dark yeah but is it going to be always turned on the light it will be turned on when the user moved the remote controller i think no but if you move it then you have it you do not need to find it you can see the buttons better of course yeah yeah yeah true but if you move it then you have to have some sensor to when you move it to detect out you are moving it as soon as you start to move the remote control you have the light yeah but you need another sensor for that right yeah again you know it is expensive i do not think that this is really expensive but at the end this is plenty of unexpense very cheap devices but the bill starts to be yeah but i expect that also the wheel to be cheap but so they will do be cheap but you tell me that it is very expensive 1st of all i was thinking to have a continuous light and you when you press the on button you have the light on your remote control when you want to turn off your device but it can be battery consuming now to have the light always on a little bit well we will discuss that after maybe okay the other presentations it should be in a shared folder yeah it was last time i saw it and it is okay so just move the next slide so basically we want very simple right that is a major idea as simple as possible so i just looked at some current designs on the web of usually more complicated remote controls and just look the 2 of them because even though they have many buttons they look quite simple and in our case we just reject the buttons that we do not need and it becomes even simpler but also does it fit well in hand because it was the your wrist problem with the user these remotes are quite big so go to the next page so they have all these buttons as you can see but most of them we just need the ones in the middle so from the bottom where there is the numbers and then the top until the channel this middle part and on the left one is exactly the same so it is basically more or less how we like it with the big volume control big channel control mutant power yeah yeah it is the basic thing so it is only the central part so basically something that we will build will look more or less the same as these 2 yeah with a maybe more economic design on the bottom part yeah if we have for example i think that the volume and the buttons that are there on the top are not very easy to reach with your thumb it would be on the right side for example okay because we do not have these input buttons and these other stuff that they have and i think that the plastic cover is not very good idea because you open it can break you can do various things okay you just need to put the channel numbers somewhere a bit out of the way okay so that is separated a bit yeah it is to press the other big buttons but it should not be difficult to press the channel buttons either i think that if you put the cover it would be even more difficult for the even more difficult for the user okay well yeah usually what i have noticed that people put a plastic cover on things that you normally do not mess with like buttons for tuning the channels and stuff like that yeah that you want to protect the width and i think it is a real noble okay so i do not think yeah this is just the wheel you could use the some wheels can be pushed down use a push down of the wheel for the recall if we want so we could just basically use one just will and a user could use just the will to do everything for the time in that case maybe the wheel will be a good advantage of our competitors because otherwise it is pretty standard about the fact that it is very simple so maybe this worse to to have more expense on that aspect i guess the market research will tell us about that okay so we can move to the is there any question for designer of user interface or we can move to the next part maybe and discuss afterwards okay you can go yeah so there are the recent investigation we have done for the remote control so the most important aspect for remote controls is to be a fancy look and feel and not current functional look and feel and the 2nd aspect is that the remote control should be technological innovative and the 3rd most important aspect is that the remote control should be easy to use so there are things we have speak about before for and so you can go after and there is a fashion watchers in paris and milan that have detected the following trends fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes shoes and furniture so maybe if our remote control has to be fruit form or vegetable forms forms something like that and the material is expected to be spongy i do not know which material can be spongy and if you this is good also for i think who can certainly just put the electronics and spongy thing it would work right yeah i think it is good also to have a spongy you can throw it to the television yeah because it is it is a ruse yeah hey that is a cool one we could say that when you throw it you have a sensor and you throw it and hits a television and turns it off when it takes a shock yeah i know that they do that for alarm clock also and this you can yeah you can say that you can you can go before before before yes and you know here the more important aspect is the fancy look and feel the fancy look and feel after is the technological innovative and after the easy to use i think it is innovative to use the wheel because i think no one has as it that is why i think we have to keep that if it is possible yeah i think it is it makes it both easy and both innovative so i think it is a good aspect and it should be kept how do you look cool with the question cool fancy yeah we have to make it look like a fruit or vegetable yeah maybe a color that remembers some fruit or things like that well i think it is a banana i guess i thought about a pier for example you know the pier is like that and it is easy to have in hand and it is ergonomic as well yeah a pier a pier yeah maybe pier yeah something like that 0 a fruit like that i do not know yeah we can discuss that is there anything you want to add is there any fruit that is sponty i do not think so no i think we can have like yeah a pier is good fitwelle or banana as you thought and something like that for maybe look and feel what about a piece of high piece of ice with blue led inside but that is not in the train the train is spongy and vegetable fruits it is not hard metal i think spongy is good because it will be robust as well so i think we can keep the wheel because it is easy it is innovative even if the cost is a bit higher and we also have to find a so a fruit like beer or banana with any other idea you have what kind of fruit would like to control your tv with banana i think it is a nice idea banana is also yellow so you can not lost your remote control day you do not use the banana when the banana is curving like that but when the banana is curving like that with the wheel on the top when you control and here you have a push button to i think it is a good idea just have this curve yeah curve yeah and you move your hand here to press the buttons and then you move the other side yeah so you can have it on 2 sides and it will be cool yeah i think it is a good design and it is innovative as well then maybe we can keep the banana and it will be very easy to find and everybody knows what is a banana basically if you start with fancy fruits ah you can also take into account the fact that the banana fits with a color scheme of our company yeah it is really a good point i hope it is here so that management die but in a way i think i do not know according to meeting i think it so 12nd so we have to take some decision on those aspects so for sorry for components so so we have to think about those aspects sorry so we will just use a standard battery yeah and the chip we chip on print we know exactly which one we are going to use we are going to use what do you mean by case i think it is the box that should be spongy banana is shape i mean for me if we use a spongy banana case does not matter i just want to have something to print to to fix my yeah my components onto that box that can be inside the in a structure but the thing is that the buttons and the wheel have to be i mean if it is then the bottom will have to i mean if it is going to move right so it is going to bend a lot so if we try that to the button you know the button would be in fact it should be something out shaped with a spongy cover okay this is like that okay hard shape with spongy cover and standard battery okay cheap on print there is no specific problem so we agree to put the wheel wheel on the top button why do you want some buttons well usually hold we want it to be good also for the left hand used right yeah so it has to be symmetrical yeah but okay so let us say that the it has to be basically you can only take 2 sides one of this side where there is the thumb and the other side where there is the yeah also the thumb yeah or you could use this one but do not know if it is very comfortable yeah maybe the thumb is more comfortable this for the wheel and then this for the buttons yeah i think it is okay for both right and left so with the left you have i think you can turn it this way also you can do both with wheel buttons yeah the problem is to have buttons and wheel then when you turn it around the buttons are on the other side you cannot see them well you will get used to it and moreover the buttons have to be here and the wheel has to be the button are lighted so you immediately identify the right side because you have light on buttons yeah i know but if you have to do the right hand and the wheel is here hand and the wheel is here and the bottoms are here then when you turn it around the buttons will go on the other side no you you i think you will use it only on the right or left hand whether you write here or lefty i think for a lefty it is okay i can do this movement and for right here as well i think this does not change that much okay yeah okay yeah so for interface we said so that we have a this banana shape with button on the side and a wheel on the top yeah so the color is yellow is yellow i think it is we define everything according to what we should but the decision we should take yeah so maybe we can we can work on those aspects until next meeting so have the final look and feel design according to the decision and have the user interface design and then evaluate the product that is to say check if it fit the requirements given by the users but according to your presentation it seems to be okay it seems to be fancy innovative and easy to use so to prepare the prototype i would suggest that the industrial designer and the user interface designer work together that would be better i think and so you will receive further instructions by emails as usual yes master do you need to add anything no you feel okay you feel free to express what you want to say you do not feel too constraint no you do not feel free to answer this no well yeah okay okay so thank you see you i think we can leave the room for the 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[ "alright yeah crack on okay so we will start off with a quick overview of the minutes i think to sum up the last meeting would be to say the requirements that we have set out those are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on a small joystick l c d and a couple of other buttons for navigation with power being i suppose one of the main single purpose buttons we were also going to use novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck the idea to try and separate us and also because of the minimal design looks like we will be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control with any luck that pretty much sums up the last one so we will just crack on like to maybe start with the industrial designer if it is possible okay the con today is the concep today i will just this meeting is the conceptual design phase and is sorry about this and is to cover things like what the parts might be made of can we outsource these from elsewhere will we have to construct any items ourselves i have a presentation i just saved it in the the folder yeah okay well i will just i will load it up then which one do y 0 interface concept yeah that is me that is you we have got trend watching that is you it is components design components design okay alright so the case le that is what i wrote 1st of all could be plastic our plastic but later on we found out that it can be rubber as well or titanium or even wood so we decide what it is going to be probably plastic we need the infra red transmitter get that off the shelf joystick we will probably if we are going to use it could be plastic w or rubber even as well if you go on to the next slide if you go on to f findings it is like 2 or 3 slides down right okay so this is what i found we can use 3 different types of batteries can either use a hand dynamo or the kinetic type ones you know that they use in watches or else a solar powered one okay now the kinetic one we have cause that is the ones where like you the movement causes it cost is yeah yeah the bat the battery for a a watch would not require a lot of power would be my one query is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power there is also a watch moves around a great deal more do you think yeah w yeah i do not think it would and solar cells i dunno about that yeah we should probably just use conventional batteries just like in usual remote controls which i suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again you would say yeah and these are 3 different types of or 2 different types 3 different types of shapes you can have one is a flat one and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved the materials are tha there as you can see but you can not have a titanium one for a double curved which would be titanium the really strong metal titanium yeah and light is it not also it is expensive i think so as well yeah they make mountain bikes out of that do not they so it is really light as well curious i do not know if you would be able to off the top of your head or not the single curved and double curved would you be able to give an example could you maybe draw something t yeah i you do not does not have to be perfect it is just cause i am not quite sure if i understand the difference between the 2 well for a curved well i was thinking to f for to sit in your the palm of your hand maybe like this with the joy pad here joystick here and maybe an okay button around here so that the thumb can use it quite easily i do not exactly double curved it probably means this is probably double curved whereas a single curved would be like that i guess or not necessarily so it might literally just be okay 2 curves yeah like that whereas this is 2 curves so i guess that is what they mean by double curve alright which obviously it looks better than the single curve but you can not have it in titanium which is a nice material and for the buttons it can have the scroll wheel which they use in mouses for com p c s but it requires a more expensive chip to use and if you want to use l c d it is even more expensive so you have to decide there is trade offs there if you want the buttons to be 0 yeah if you have a double curve control and it is rubber then you have these rubber buttons as well but you are going to ha i reckon you are going to have to have key a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days you would not want to just have to scroll through all the channels to get to the one you want you want to enter just the number of it if you know it so i reckon we are going to have to have a number keypad anyway do you think okay that was definitely something we can talk about so you have got a little bit about the the chip that we might require as well yeah so depends where going to spend the money if you want the f fancy l c d display do you have any idea so far like when we are saying that we would need an advanced chip for an l c d does that in shoot the cost up by a drastic amount or need an advanced chip for the l c d is that did i well i think compared to say just pressing buttons yep advanced like 386 advance if you press a button that sends a certain transmission through the infra red whereas i think if we are controlling the l c d we definitely require a much more powerful chip okay just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons i think is the the point being made okay sure if i have not over stepped yeah yeah i okay should i go on or go back if we only have £12 50 €12 not even £12 €12 what is that like £8 or something like that £9 well we would also be relying on the the bulk buying in producement and such okay that is good point i assume we have to look into the costs of those so sorry the previous slides just explain what is in the internal components of the remote control if you go to the one before that so it just says what it does translate the key press into an infra red signal and this is received by the t v the chip just needs to detect the signal or detect the key press and then it will send it to the tr the amplifier okay and then the next slide just shows how the copper wires interact with the buttons the rubber buttons to get sent to the chip so that is just how the control works inside we have to decide on what buttons we are going to use okay so in the information that you have been supplied how feasible would you say that the idea of using an l c d looks i think we can do it if we use conventional batteries and not have solar cells or kinetic and then maybe use single curved case because we might need it to be curved for the thumb to use the joyst joystick easily and then you will need the advanced chip obviously for the l c d i mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me conventional battery would seem to make sense i am not sure if there is any cost differences between single and double curved and i am i do not know about anybody else but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward i am actually going to be bold and go oo go straight for rubber for reasons i will go into in more detail okay i also have a preference for rubber okay well based on my research yeah well will we move on to user interface and yeah sorry as long as were you yep i am finished yeah okay and d d d interface concept yep now i am going to have to work between the the slides and the yeah and the white board cause i actually i have some fairly concrete things this time i was given a an h t m l file giving various ideas from from other previous remote control designs and pretty much decided to just dump them all i was not very impressed by them and they did not seem to re nothing i saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that we are going for today so what i ra rather than looking at other remotes ra oomp be better to simply look at the human hand and try and f and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we have already decided on so that if r a if so that the finger is e each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already so next slide if you please and what we have basically decided on was the the the joy the joystick 2 function buttons and the l c d just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum i do not actually think we need the the numeric keypad because if you m because one of the menus that we could have available v via via the l c d is one where you scroll through channels so if there is something f and be bear in mind since this is not meant to work for digital ah okay f f f for di for digital or or for or for cable whatever you are basically looking at 4 or 5 terrestrial channels and then your v c and then the channel through your v c r and or d v d player and or box so it is not i am not really excessively concerned about that you must have 22 modes basic mode where the joystick is left right left right for channels up down for volume and the and the menu mode for further functions now the reason i was particularly interested in using rubber for this is that if we are going to have a highly ergonomic design it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people so you can i just jump in slightly there that would suggest the double curved design is probably going to be most appropriate then yes absolutely okay basi basically what i basically what the what be having i would say the the whole thing articulated at 2 points so that if you if you are handing it from a lef left or right handed user you can adjust it so that the the l c the l c d and the the joystick would be in the right place and also this is a rather nicer de design gimmick that the the you know the whole thing you know it should have sort of organic feel to it that it should be you know soft to touch and can be moved around all nice okay on to on to the next to the next slide okay yeah just to let you know we will probably be quite tight for time as well because i think you have probably got a lot you would like to say i guess okay yeah kay basically i can add pretty pictures to this the assuming the hand the hand to be in about sort of this position hol holding the remote the the joystick unit should rest over the the joint of the f of the 4 finger so that it is directly accessible for the thumb and it would need t there would need to be a it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for left or right handed users so you then have a grip section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handedness you just have big 2 big buttons that cover most of the area so it can in the upper part one for the 4 finger one for the middle finger and that is this the joystick th this part here is the joystick this would be the actual grip probably where you would want to have the battery as well okay that would be probably the bulkiest part and you then have at the at the bottom the l c d and this would need to be articulated as well and basically i would want this to rest here right at the base of the wrist so it would fit just nicely in the hand and again this part could be rotated so it can so so so that it can be adjusted to either left or right handed user so the t the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button and then the bottom function buttons switches between between modes now programming it actually thi this is one thing i have found with the replacement remote control programming them can be a right pain so i thought th the simplest way around that would be to have a cable to connect it to the computer some some fair iv fairly fairly simple software on the computer just so that you on your computer just so that you could pr program it at a rather in a rather more comfortable interface and you could download programs for it from for t v s from all sort of main manufacturers though you i it would be necessary to have have a m have a ha have a mode for programming it without the computer just in case there are there are still people left out there who do not have them yet but yeah okay that is that is my idea excellent right kay file open we go trend watching okay so to gather my research 2 basic methods we compared whether people want the remote control to do a lot of stuff or they want it to look cool and then we we research fashion trends in europe what is what is the new black you know as it goes okay next slide please we found in order of importance people want the remote control to look cool more than they want it to to be cool as in they want it to do a lot of good s they want it to look like it does a lot and if it does do a lot that is a bonus but they do not care so much you know they want it to be that is sounds a bit like a contradiction technology technical technologically innovative people want it to be that but s still they care more about the way it looks than what it does so like the interface is really important and easy to use it it just so happens that from the 2nd point to the 3rd point is twice as important i mean the 2nd point is twice as important as the 3rd point people want it i is it has to be cooler than easy to use you know if it has the newest features even if it is difficult to use prefer it to have the newest features and if it is easy to use that is a bonus the fashion now this is seems a bit odd to me but fruit and veg is the new is the new black for furniture for clothes for shoes how that relates to a remote control i do not know but i i see i come on to that in the next in the next slide spongy i have als i have been saying everything is the new black well spongy is the new black as well so we have the choice between rubber and plastic if it is the type of rubber that you can squeeze you know it is spongy then can i skip the rest 0 yeah i forgot to mention that the rubber material is the type of stress ball material not just normal rubber okay okay so kinda spongy material forgot to say that so so my personal opinion okay we want something fancy and techni technologically innovative obviously but what we what we need is something that looks like it is from the future that looks cool that is that is different you know that is everyone has a white remote control black remote control you need something cool like titanium is cool but it is expensive and maybe it is a bit of overkill for a remote control now the fruit and veg options either we we go in that direction or we stay totally away from it i mean the research did come up with fruit and veg so maybe it is important for it is the up to the interface guy so if we stay away from it s you know stay away from it but if we are going to go along with it then it does not necessarily have to be like an apple or something like that or a kiwi fruit it could be something like i say potato peeler but i am sure you guys have a have a much cooler idea than i do so i think cool is the key few questions about a spongy remote control i have never seen one before i have seen plastic remote controls i think maybe they were i do not know back in the day when they 1st came up with remote controls they had a reason for it being sturdy you know for being strong and sturdy so if we want something strong and sturdy i say stay with plastic or titanium but if we go with spongy we can stress that you can drop this as many times as you want it does not matter it is spongy material it is not going to break you know i just do not know how the l e d and the lights are going to fit into a spongy material because it is not going to be completely squeezable so how do things fit it and if we are going to use spongy we can say it is long lasting you know it is damage resistant and stuff like that so so just to summarize people want stuff that is cool that is that looks like it is cool and if it is cool then that is a bonus does not have to be people like fruit and veg we can either go down that alley or stay totally away from it people like spongy material if we are going to use spongy material we have to think of how practical it is and how we can further promote that idea and also this was this year so things change all the time every year you know they they always talk about this year this is the new black well next year something else is going to be the new black and we are stuck with last year is fruit and veg type stuff kay okay that is me well i would say that the most you could probably hope for is gaining a year is lead on most people anyway you always have to bring out new designs so if we can get next year then that is possibly a good place to start anyway seems like a a lot of the components could be off the shelf so i do not exactly what cost would be incurred i can see your point about the number keypad but i have i would say that we can probably incorporate it into the menu system if you need to do traversal of a large number of channels yeah my feeling would be that even if at a later date this was to be taking control of boxes as well having the use of the l c d and the joystick would probably allow you to manipulate enough channel numbers for you to be yeah actually if you have got a lot of channels the number keypad can be quite annoying as well becau it is you know if you are trying to remember what you know what number is the discovery channel or whatever that is a good point it is just irritating you can incorporate names into the menu but if you h but but but if you have a me but if you have a menu structure then you can sub group them okay even news music so you okay like they do on sky digital kinda yeah yeah so what it looks like to me is we will use a large number of standard components say something like lithium ion battery the kind that you find in most small hand held devices now looks like we going for a double curved design i do not know what cost implications there are in that looks like we are pretty much decided on some kind of flexible rubber though i would have to say depending on how flexible it is we might need to have some kind of inner frame yeah i i would say definitely i mean i mean i mean the the idea of having it sort of articulated i th there would be basically 2 points of articulation w one below and one above the m the the main sort of grip do you think there is any way we could maybe remove the articulation so i can see why it looks appealing but it could be a weak point in the structure do you think that would be a worry of mine if you are going with the fruit and veg thing looks like a banana i d i do not thi i do not think that it would be a a structural weakness f if you want to design it that way i mean if you have a firm s sub structure you can then incorporate articulation into that if you then have a sort of outer skin of flexible spongy rubber then you have something that is you know very much you know organic and i think would look rather co i mean mi rather cool i mean my drawing there does not does not do it justice it makes it makes it look more a little bit more like a vibrator than a than a than a remote control but yeah we will not add that functionality okay course not however one interesting point is i do not know how serious you were there but we if we take some of the ideas why do not we make the damn thing yellow to incorporate the des the color of the logo yeah sure yeah okay i dunno it is an certainly a different color from your average make it harder to lose as well yeah that is true sure was there anything in your research the noise for when you lose the banana f yeah for when you lose the remote control it could be like a a monkey noise or something like that rather than a standard beep beep y you know you lose the monkey the banana monkey y you lose the banana you press a button and you hear like monkey screams or something like that to direct you towards the banana i th i mean if it i think that is something that could perhaps be programmable though maybe have monkey as default s 0 i was going to talk about the programmable remote control now i think it would be cool if you had one remote control that could work with all t v s you know you s you click a button and it finds the frequency that works with your particular television but why you would need to program it like as as a standard feature i i do not know well basi basically the for f for i mean e each manufacturer will have a partic will have a particular command set that the t v responds to it is not simply a matter of frequency yeah so usually what is done is you have this big booklet full of different possi you will have all of them sort of programmed in to the remote and you will have this little booklet of codes you then find your ma find your manufacturer and try the different codes that come under that manufacturer is name til you find the right one that is because televisions they do not give the remote control any type of feedback when you send it it is yeah that is right okay so that is that is quite annoying and we probably would still have to do that but if we had some sort of hook up to your computer as an option then if you have got a computer you can avoid that rather irritating thing an interesting point is that if the person does not have the computer we can still make the process easier because instead of having to look up codes maybe we can have it that one of the options they have is that they look up the name of the company on the l c d and then they maybe look up different names of different actual units that have been produced yeah yeah or we have the remote control just go through them until it is like does this do the correct function and such is it is it actually a book of names to digits or is it like a few pages booklet some pages i was just thinking if we were to store this information some type of mapping this person probably need to use this feature like once you know when you 1st buy the remote control or whenever they buy a new television so once every s yeah does not have to be used very often that is right yeah yeah and it is yeah but it is a but it is a nuisance and it is a nuisance very close to the to to actually purchasing it so it is something that you are likely to be thinking about if you if there is w i if there is one in the shop that is that says it can avoid much of that nuisance you might be favorably inclined towards it okay this just to give us a rough idea of what we are meant to be doing for the next stage i am pretty sure that you got that anyway this is the conceptual one i think we have come up i think we have covered everything we need to here i think we have decided on what you know decided on standard items for most of rubber and such so we are now looking at the detailed design and what we need to be doing for the next meeting so for example i will just start at the top you have got yourself and the industrial designer going to be working quite closely at this stage cause it will be hard not to obviously looking from prototyping of some des description using clay i suppose you will be told a lot more about that as progress the user interface design they are kind of it looks they are the idea i have pushed forward so far is maybe more of a physical one there whereas possibly be more interested in maybe how the l c d is going to incorporate do you think or do you s perceive that most the design design decisions still need to be based on the physical layout well i i think other than ge getting a sort of more esthetically pleasing form for it mo most of the sort of layout design decisions are are made i would say but then again the the menu structure to to a considerable extent that is going to vary according to the model of television and also any customisations that the user might wish to incorporate so and one of the nice things about having an l c d and a menu structure is that there is that flexibility to it that is very true okay got product evaluation as well yeah you see i do not some of these things kinda logically follow the others how can t product evaluation does not that come after actually seen a product prototype i i think we would be yeah no it would be more a case of how do we envisage us performing the product evaluation once we have a model to test with 0 that is the okay sure sure sure so it would be a case of do you think that just bringing users in to have them test it out maybe putting a certain number of products into the field in certain places which i suppose is quite similar or just kind of hitting the streets and you know saying this is a new remote control what do you think of the look of it okay sure at this stage we still have no no target audience or i think the target audience is pretty much anybody under the age of say maybe 60 or something ludicrous kay the reason i am saying that is we are just looking at a a replacement remote control something that is stylish so maybe you are even just maybe you are narrowing down your target audience simply by saying and it is stylish if they are buying it that often or they are maybe looking to replace something then they have got a bit of free cash so that puts them potentially in the younger age bracket maybe even single just for the reasons of excess cash flow although of course i mean at €25 i do not think we are looking at charging the earth for the device yep yeah think that is well within the normal bracket okay your idea of the u s b would i think would largely depend on the cost u s b is definitely one of the cheapest interfaces out there but it might push the cost of the overall unit up cause it would require not just the connection but the chip for communicating with the rest of the system that one might have to be based on programmable memory as well the u s b for which for the remote control the the idea was that maybe it could connect up for allowing a software interface on the p c for a larger programming due to the fact that we have gone for such a nice 0 right okay easy minimal design normally we have w definitely talking some type of but did not they just say it is just for t v or are we going to it is just for t v but for different programming it to use your t v you might hook it up to the p c okay yeah i i am not sure but i am thinking maybe that the additional cost of the u s b might be prohibitive we do not know unless it would make sense to but you are going to need some type of flash memory or something yeah i mean it is well something that does not you would not have to redo the whole thing once the batteries are changed you know once you turn off the power yeah yeah the other thing i mean it i mean it would need to ha it would need to have some sort of on board memory anyway yeah f for one for one thing because i do think that the menu system should be i mean although you know it is not going to be terribly complicated if it is just controlling one device the menu system ought to be 0 ought to be customisable and different languages different skins and stuff like that w how how how you want say the the the menu structure for flicking through channels if you have got lots of channels sure i if it was customisable as in different languages and stuff that does open it is supposed to be international right that sort of thing so it would make sense to it would make sense if you could i would say to and we would better be careful about the time as well okay we have already had the 5 minute warning so i would say yeah international would make sense you are going to look at product evaluation i am i would better start writing up a hell of a lot of crap you are going to look a bit more at the kind of the physical make up you say looks like we are going to need a maybe a kind of prototype in clay yeah we will see how that goes are we going to be supplied with the clay is what i want to know so do i think we have got an idea of where we need to go for the next meeting would you say where is the clay yeah they are going with the fashion thing like the design spongy rubber the fruit and veg this one yeah i would s that would be my my feeling yeah i th i think i would largely want to actually steer clear of the whole sort of fruit and veg thing bu but but the spongy idea i like i like it a lot we seem to have quite a general consensus that the idea of the the r rubber could be quite yeah yeah i having it i having it sort of br bright yellow i think that is quite a good idea though maybe we could have options for colors as well yeah and again this has the advantage of being harder to lose sure i mean we are trying to promote a remote control but we want to keep the company brand as well so yeah so we always need to remember that somewhere we are meant to be getting the slogan on possibly i am think i am not sure but i am seeing a little bit of space around maybe the joystick area which could be used yeah i was like like i said before i i think we should have the r r on the on the top function button okay and i think that says it all really i think so too right see everybody in a half hour sa" ]

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[ "all right yep just a lot okay so we will start off with a quick overview of minutes i think to sum up the last meeting would be to say the requirements that we have set out are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on a small joystick lcd and a couple of other buttons for navigation with power being one of the main single purpose buttons we were also going to use a novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck the idea to try and separate us and also because of the minimal design it looks like we will be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control without any luck i pretty much sums up the last one so we will just crack on i would like to maybe start with the industrial designer if it is possible today is the concept today this meeting is the concept conceptual design phase and is to cover things like what the parts might be made of can we can we outsource these from elsewhere well we have to construct the items ourselves i have a presentation here i just say that in the yeah okay i will just load it up then which one 0 interface concept that is you we have got trenwatching that is you components design components design it is okay all right so so the case that is what i wrote 1st of all it could be plastic our plastic but later on we found out that it can be rubber as well or titanium or even wood so we decide what it is going to be probably plastic we need the infrared transmitter get that off the shelf joystick we will probably if we are going to use it could be plastic or rubber even as well if you go on to the next slide if you go on to findings it is like 2 or 3 slides there all right so this is what i found you can use 3 different types of batteries can you either use a hand dynamo or the kinetic type ones you know that they are using watches or else saw the powered one now the kinetic one because that is the ones where like you the movement causes it the battery for a watch would not require a lot of power would be my one query is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power i do not know i will watch moves around a great deal more yeah i do not think it would and soda cells i do not know but bring the inside and all yeah you should probably just use conventional batteries just like a new from walking cross which i suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again you would too yeah these are 3 different types or 2 different types of shapes you can have one is a flat one and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved the materials are there as you can see but you can not have a titanium one for a double curved titanium they are really strong metal titanium is it also expensive it thinks so as well they make mountain bikes in there i am curious i do not know if you would be able to off the top of your head or not the single curve is double curved would you be able to give an example could you maybe draw something you do not have to be perfect it is just because i am not quite sure if i understand the difference between the 2 well for curved well i was thinking for it to have to have to have for to sit in the palm of your hand maybe like this with the joy pad here joystick here and maybe an ok button around here so that the thumb can use it quite easy i do not exactly be double curves it probably means this is probably a double curve whereas a single curve would be like that i guess so it might literally just be 2 curves is it okay yeah like that whereas this is 2 curves so i guess that is what they mean by double curve which else it looks better than a single curve but you can not have it in titanium which is a nice material and for the buttons you can have the scroll here which they are using mouse is for pcs but it requires a more expensive chip to use and if you want to use lcd it is a more expensive so you can decide to trade off if you want the buttons to be 0 yeah if you have a double curve control on its rubber then you have to use rubber buttons as well but you are going to have i reckon you are going to have to have a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days you would not want to just have to scroll through all the challenges to get through when you want you want to enter just a number of it if you know it so i reckon we are going to have to have it have to have a number keypad anyway do you think okay definitely something we can talk about so you have got a little bit about the chip that we might require as well yeah so it depends where you are going to spend the money if you want a fancy lcd display do you have any idea so far when we are saying that we need an advanced chip for an lcd does that shoot the cost up by a drastic amount you need an advanced chip for the lcd often compared to say this pressing buttons advanced like if you press a button it sends a certain transmission in the fugian infrared whereas i think if we are controlling the lcd we definitely require a much more powerful chip just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons i think see the point being made if i have not oversteaded okay should i go on or go back if we only have £12 50 €12 not even £12 £12 we are set like £8 or something like that mind then well we would also be relying on the the bulk buying and production and such i assume we have to look into the cost of those so sorry the previous slides just explain what is in the internal components of the remote control if you go to one before that so it just says what it does translate the key press into an infrared signal and this is received by the tv the chip just needs to detect the key press and then they will send it to the amplifier okay and then the next slide shows how the copper wires interact with the buttons the rubber buttons to get sent to the chip so that is just how the control works inside you will decide on what buttons we are going to use okay you just got to say for personal preferences so in the information that you have been supplied how feasible would you say that the idea of using an lcd looks i think we can do it if we use conventional buttons and not have solar cells or connect it and then maybe use a single curved case because you might need to be curved for the thumb to use the joystick easily the lead the advanced chip in superia i mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me conventional battery would seem to make sense i am not sure if there is any cost differences between single and double curved and i do not know about anybody else but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward i am actually going to be out bald and go straight for rubber rubber for reasons i will go into okay i also have a preference for rubber okay well based on my reasons yeah well we move on to user interface and yeah sorry as long as you yeah okay and interface concept i am going to have to work between the the slides and the whiteboard because i actually have some fairly concrete things i was given an html file giving various ideas from other previous remote control designs and pretty much decided to just dump them all i was not very impressed by them and i did not seem to really nothing i saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that were going to specifications that we are going for today so rather than looking at how the remote it would be better to simply look at the human hand and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we have already decided on so that every so that the finger is each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already so next slide if you please and what we basically decided on was the joystick 2 function buttons and the lcd just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum i do not actually think we need the numeric keypad because one of the menus that we could have available via the lcd is one where you scroll through channels so if there is something and bear in mind since this is not meant to work for for digital for digital or or for cable whatever you are basically looking at 4 or 5 terrestrial channels and then your vc and then the channel for your vcr and our dvd player and our set top box so it is not i am not really excessively concerned about that i also have 2 modes basic mode where the joystick is left right for channels up down for volume and the menu mode for further functions now the reason i was particularly interesting using rubber for this is if we are going to have a highly ergonomic design it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people can i just jump in slightly there that would suggest that double curve design is probably going to be most appropriate then yes absolutely okay basically what i am basically what this would be having i would say the whole thing articulated at 2 points so that if you are handing it from the left or right hand you you can adjust it so that the lcd and the joystick would be in the right place also it seems to be a rather nicer design gimmick that the whole thing it should have sort of organic feel to it because it should be soft to touch and can be moved around okay onto the next slide the next slide just to let you know we will probably be quite tight for time as well okay because i think you have probably got a lot you would like to say i guess yeah okay basically i will i can add pretty pictures to this the assuming the hand to be in this position not holding the remote the the joystick unit should rest over the joint of the forefinger so it is directly accessible for the thumb and it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for left or right handed users so you then have a grip set section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handiness you just have 2 big buttons that cover most of the area so it can in the upper part one for the 4 finger one for the middle finger is this a joystick this part here is the joystick this would be the actual grip probably where you would want to have the battery as well okay that would be probably the bulkiest part and you then have at the bottom the lcd and this would need to be articulated as well and basically i would want this to rest here right at the base of the wrist so it would fit just nicely in the hand and again this part could be rotated so it can so that it can be adjusted to either left or right hand it used user so the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button and then the bottom function button switches between modes now programming it this is the whole thing i found with the replacement remote control programming them can be a right pane so i thought the simplest way that would be to have a cable to connect to the computer some fairly simple software on the computer just so that you on your home computer just so that you could program it as a rather in a rather more comfortable interface and you could download programs for it from for tvs from all the main manufacturers though you would be necessary to have a have a mode for programming it without the computer just in case there are still people left out there who do not have them yet but yeah that is my idea excellent right okay so to gather my research 2 basic methods we compared whether people want the remote control to do a lot of stuff or they want it to look cool and then we research our fashion trends in europe what is the new black you know as it goes so next slide okay we found in order of importance people want the remote control to look cool more than they want it to be cool as in they want it to do a lot of good they want it to look like it does a lot and if it does do a lot that is a bonus but they do not care so much you know they want it to be that sounds a bit like a contradiction technologically technologically innovative people want it to be that but still they care more about the way it looks than what it does so like the interface is really important and easy to use it just so happens that from the 2nd point to the 3rd point is twice as important i mean the 2nd point is twice as important as the 3rd point people want it it has to be cooler than easy to use you know if it has the newest features even if it is difficult to use to prefer it to have the newer speeches and if it is easy to use that is a bonus the fashion now this seems a bit odd to me but fruit and beds is the new black for furniture for clothes for shoes how that relates to a remote control i do not know but i see i will come on to that in the next slide spongy i have been saying everything is the new black or sponges is the new black as well so we had the choice between rubber and plastic if it is the type of rubber that you can squeeze you know it is spongy then that is good for i mentioned that the rubber material is the type of stress ball material not just normal rubber okay so kind of spongy material so my personal opinion we want something fancy and technologically innovative obviously but what we need is something that looks like is from the future that looks cool that is different you know everyone has a white remote control black remote control you need something cool like titanium is cool but it is expensive and maybe it is a bit of overkill for a remote control now the fruit and veg options either we go in that direction or we stay totally away from it i mean the research did come up with food and veg so maybe it is important it is up to the interface guy so if we stay away from it you know stay away from it but if we are going to go along with it then it does not necessarily have to be like an apple or something like that or a kiwi fruit there could be something like i say potato peeler but i am sure you guys have a much cooler idea than i do so i think cool is the key a few questions about a spongy remote control i have never seen one before i have seen plastic remote controls i think maybe they were i do not know back in the day when they 1st come up with remote controls they had a reason for it being sturdy you know for being strong and sturdy so if we want something stronger and sturdy i say stay with plastic or titanium but if we go with spongy we can stress that you can drop this as many times as you want it does not matter spongy material is not going to break you know i just do not know how the led and the lights are going to fit into a spongy material because it is not going to be completely squeezable so how do things fit in and if we are going to use spongy we can say it is long lasting you know it is damage resistant and stuff like that so just to summarize people want stuff that is cool that looks like it is cool and if it is cool then that is a bonus but it does not have to be people like fruit and veg we can either go down that alley or stay totally away from it people like spongy material if we are going to use spongy material we have to think of how practical it is and how we can further promote that idea and also this was this year so things change all the time every year you know they always talk about this year this is the new black well next year something else is going to be the new black and we are stuck with last year is fruit and veg type stuff okay that is me well i would say that the most you could probably hope for is gaining a year is lead on most people anyway you always have to bring out new designs so if we can get next year then that is possibly a good place to start anyway it seems like a lot of the components could be off the shelf so i do not know exactly what cost would be in occurred i can see your point about the numbered keyback but i would say that we can probably incorporate it into the menu system if you need to do traversal of a large number of channels my feeling would be that even if at a later date this was to be taking control of set top boxes as well the use of the lcd and a joystick would probably allow you to manipulate enough channel numbers for you to be actually if you have got a lot of channels the numbered keypad can be quite annoying as well because if you are trying to remember what numbers the discovery channel are that is a good point you can go for it names but if you have a menu structure then you can subgroup them okay you can use music like they do on that sky digital yeah yeah so what it looks like to me is we will use a large number of standard components components say something like lithium ion battery the kind that you find in most small handheld devices now looks like we would be going for a double curve design i do not know what cost implications there are in that looks like we are pretty much decided on some kind of flexible rubber for i would have to say depending on how flexible it is we might need to have some kind of inner frame yeah i would say definitely i mean the idea of having it articulated there would be basically 2 points of articulation one below and one above the main sort of grip do you think there is any way we can maybe remove the articulation i can see why it looks appealing but it could be a weak point in the structure do you think structure do you think that would be a woody of mine if you are going with the fruit and veg scene it looks like a banana i do not think that it would be a structural weakness i mean if you have a firm substructure you can then incorporate articulation into that if you then have as an outer skin of flexible spongy rubber then you have something that is very much organic and i think would look rather cool i mean my drawing there does not do it just as it makes it makes you look a little bit more like a vibrator than a remote control but yeah we will not add that functionality our one interesting point is i do not know how serious you were there but we if we take some of the ideas of a banana why do not we make this damn thing yellow to incorporate the digital the color of the logo sure yeah i do not know it is certainly a different color from your average make it harder to lose as well yeah that is true was there anything in your research the noise for when you lose the banana yeah for when you lose the remote control it could be like a monkey noise or something like that rather than understand it you know you lose the monkey that banana it is your monkey you lose the banana you press a button and you hear like monkey screams or something like that to direct you towards the banana i think that is something that could perhaps be programmable they will be half monkeys default 0 i was going to talk about the programmable remote control now i think it would be cool if you had one remote control that can work with all tvs you click a button and it finds the frequency that works with your particular television but why you would need to program it like as a standard feature i do not know well basically the for i mean each manufacturer will have a particular command set that the tv responds to it is not simply a matter of frequency so usually what is done is you have a big booklet full of different possible you will have all of them sort of programmed in to the remote you will have this little booklet of codes you then find your manufacturer and try the different codes that come under that manufacturer is name until you find the right one that is because televisions they do not give the remote control any type of feedback when you send it yeah that is right so that is quite annoying and we probably would still have to do that but if we had some sort of hookup to your computer as an office option then if you have got a computer you can avoid that rather irritating an interesting point is that if the person does not have the computer we can still make the process easier because instead of having to look up codes maybe we can have it for one of the options they have is that they look up the name of the company on the lcd and then they maybe look up different names of different actual units that have been produced or we have the remote control just go through them until it is like does us do for correct function and such is it actually a book of names to digits or is it like a few pages booklet some pages i just thinking if we were to store this information some type of mapping this person probably need to use this feature like once you know when they 1st buy the remote control or whenever they buy new television it does not have to be used very often that is right yeah and it is but it is a nuisance and it is a nuisance very close to the to actually purchasing it so it is something you are like to be thinking about if there is one in the shop that says it can avoid much of that nuisance you might be favorably inclined towards it okay this it is just to give us some rough idea of what what we are meant to be doing for the next stage i am pretty sure that you got that anyway this was a conceptual one i think we have covered everything we need to here i think we have decided on standard items for most of them rubber and such so we are now looking at the detail design and what we need to be doing for the next meeting so for example we will just start to talk you have got yourself and the industrial and designer going to be working quite closely at this stage because it will be hard not to obviously looking for phototyping of some description using clay i suppose you will be told a lot more about that as we progress the user interface design it looks like they are kind of it looks like they are the idea of push forward so far is maybe more of a physical one there whereas it would possibly be more interested in maybe how the lcd is going to incorporate do you think or do you foresee that most of the design decisions still need to be based on the physical layout well i think other than getting a more esthetically pleasing form for it most of the sort of layout design decisions are made i would say but then again the the menu structure to a considerable extent that is going to vary according to the model of television and also any customizations that the user might wish to incorporate so one of the nice things about having an lcd and a menu structure is that there is that flexibility to it that is very true okay i have got product evaluation as well yes yeah some of these things kind of logically follow the others how can product evaluation does not that come after i have actually seen a product prototype i think it would be yeah no it would be more a case of how do you envisage us performing the product evaluation once we have a model to test with 0 that is the okay sure so it would be a case of do you think that just bringing users in to have them test it out maybe putting a certain number of products into the field in certain places which i suppose is quite similar or just kind of hitting the streets and you know saying this is a new remote control what do you think it will look at it okay sure at this stage we still have no target audience i think the target audience is pretty much anybody under the age of say maybe 60 or something ludicris the reason i am saying that is that we are just looking at a replacement remote control something that is stylish so maybe you are even just maybe you are narrowing down your target audience simply by saying if they are buying it that often or they are maybe looking to replace something then they have got a bit of free cash so that puts them potentially in the younger age bracket maybe even single just for the reasons of excess cash flow well of course i mean at €25 i do not think we are looking at charging the air for the device as well within the normal bracket your idea of the usb would i think would largely depend on the cost usb is definitely one of the cheapest interfaces out there but it might push the cost of the overall unit up because we require not just the connection but the chip for communicating with the rest of the system that one might have to be based on the usb for the remote control the idea was that maybe it could connect up for allowing a software interface and the pc for a larger programming due to the fact that we have gone for such a nice easy minimal design normally definitely talking some type of but did not they just say it is just for tv or it is just for tv but for different programming it to use your tv you might hook it up to the pc i am not sure but i am thinking maybe that the additional cost of usb might be prohibitive we do not know unless it would make sense to but you are going to need some type of flash memory or something well something that does not you would not have to redo the whole thing once the batteries are changed you do not want you to turn off the power yeah i mean it would need to have some sort of onboard memory anyway for one thing because i do think the menu system should be i mean although it is not going to be terribly complicated it is just controlling one device the menu system ought to be customizable different languages different skins and stuff like that how you want say the menu structure for looking through channels if you have got lots of channels if it was customizable as in different languages and stuff that does open it is supposed to be international right it would make sense to it would make sense to and we better be careful about the time as well we have already had a 5 minute morning so i would say yeah international would make sense you are going to look at product evaluation i would better start writing up a hell of a lot of crap you are going to look a bit more at the kind of the physical makeup you see and looks like we are going to need maybe a kind of prototype in clay we will see how that goes are we going to be supplied with the clay where is the clay so i think we have got an idea of where we need to go for the next meeting would you say yeah 0 we are still going with the fashion thing like the fruit and veg the design spongy cover yeah yeah i would say that would be my i think i would large not have to actually steer clear at the holder fruit and veg thing but but the spongy i like it a lot we seem to have quite a general consensus that the idea of the real rubber could be quite yeah i do i mean you are making bright yellow and it is like that maybe we could have options for colors as well yeah and again it has the advantage of being harder to lose sure i mean we are trying to promote a remote control but we want to keep the company brand as well yeah so we always need to remember it somewhere we are meant to be getting this slogan on possibly i am not sure but i am seeing a little bit of space around maybe the joystick area which could be used like i said before i think we should have the rr on the top function button okay and i think that says it all really i think so too right we will see everybody in a half hour i 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[ "okay well i think we are ready to begin right my name is adam duguid we are here because of real reaction we have in the group 0 ebenezer ademesoye would you like me to spell that s yeah go for it mate n e z n e z e r ebenezer and your role is i am the marketing expert you are the marketing expert okay next we have tarik rahman t a r i k t r i k and your role in this is industrial designer industrial designer and lastly we have dave cochrane and you are going to be the user interface is it user interface defin designer yes designer okay right this is the agenda for today is meeting as you can see w opening acquaintance tool training project plan discussion and closing we already got n through opening and partially through acquaintance so the reason we are here we are going to design a new remote control as you probably all know the very broad overview is original trendy and user friendly course we will have to go into a bit more detail than that but personally i think that the original is going to be a very key aspect to this design there is a lot of remote controls out there anyway so we are going to need something that is really going to set it apart this is how today seems to be going to work we are going to have the 3 kay phases as you have probably already been told the functional architectural and the detailed design 1st one is going to be covering the user requirement spec technical functions working design 2nd seems to be conceptual components properties materials and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far of course you have all got the similar emails i believe right what can i say ebenezer you want to have a you want to draw your favorite animal sure whiteboard kay s okay i will make this quick since we do not have much time kay so it is not the best picture in the world here we have an elephant 1st point begins with an e same like ebenezer also elephants have a very good memory much like myself and i can not remember back when i used to live back in nigeria but i think i used to have a pet elephant so elephants are big strong and gentle and they have great memories and they begin with the letter e just like ebenezer brilliantly done thank you thank you tarik would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry 0 0 you can clip them to your belt 00 i think you ga do we take them off 0 right okay you should also l have your the lapel mic on as well the little ah ha the the 0 that is good we can clip them on okay yeah there was this microphone as well that you now where do i put the just somewhere yep the it is just across there that is it yep is this supposed to be clipped as well i think so yeah it will follow you if you yeah there you go you can probably just stick it in your pocket for now i would not worry too much should have good range destroying your elephant here here we have a tiger i have always loved tigers they are just they are big they are biggest cats i did a project on cats in the wild when i was a kid and it was my favorite cat just cause it was looks the best the stripes orange my dad used to talk about he is from bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was when i was a kid and they are just the most feared of of animals in the wild so that is why i like them did not say an anything about me really but excellent thank you very much dave if you would like to have a dash the monkey the one f in fact this is a somewhat oblique reference in fact to well my i have a 33 y year old daughter who h who who who is affectionately known as miss monkey monkeys have attitude which i think is a good thing and i mean fr and from from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting so i like monkeys and and th th th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most cheers hardly what i would call the best drawing in the world but it will do for now also not quite as feared as your average tiger but cats are one of my favorite animals they are very independent they are snotty as hell at the best of times and what can you say you got to love those qualities in an animal right i think we have all managed to master the whiteboard there by looks of it so on to it project finance as you can see €125 per unit that is not a terrible lot as far as i am aware and we are hoping to sell them for 25 if we are aiming for €50000000 we are going to have to be selling an awful lot of them 0 that was profiting that was an amount so that is the amount made okay yep well 50000000 and if you are making €125 on each one then awful lot need to be sold yeah okay now we better actually just get on with the the meat of the project so i am going to guess that we have all used remote controls any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market well one thing i am aware of is th there at the sort of v very high price end of the market there is there is a em emerging market for sort of touch screen l c d remotes that can be programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models so you get the sort of you get you you can redesign the interface to your own needs you can program in macros and you get a much greater degree i mean you get in these sort of 3 in 15 in one whatevers but you can get integration between the different the the the diff the different things that it is designed to control to a much greater extent and you can have one you know one macro to turn the you know turn the t v to the right channel get the re rewind the tape in the v c r and get it to play once it is rewound for instance okay b it occurs to me there might be a niche for for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design and therefore putting it into a well much lower price bracket okay yeah tha that is true with the price range we are looking at going for a touch screen would probably be possibly out of our yeah absolutely prohibitive yeah 0 but you think again something to control multiple units in a simple fashion yeah i mean i would not like to say you g i mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units but something that could operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion some and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for running macros would the the idea something along the lines of one on button would turn on say the video recorder the t v maybe the sound system as well all in one go is that kind of for instance let us say 00 or you know you pr you press say the play button for the d v d player and it turns the t v on and onto the right channel as well okay that sounds like a a good strong idea kay any takes on this well i have noticed that gaming c is becoming quite popular with television when i was younger we used to e play games using our cable using the cable subscribed the cable providers but our remote controls would get worn out really easily and the remote control was not a great kind of keyboar keypad for playing games so perhaps one that was more okay specialized for game playing or interactive television they they have recently brought out this new remote control for people to set their favorite channels or to record things instead of people entering in what time things start you simply stri slide a bar to say what time it begins and slide another bar to say what time it ends you know that is okay yeah i have heard i have seen the bar code design before yeah yeah it is it is taken out the y you do not have to be really clever to use a remote control i think for gaming you know you want you want some big buttons for up down left and right shoot you want to be able to change angles in interactive television so you need buttons to change the television angle the camera angles and stuff like that okay well we are beginning to run out of time now so we have got a couple of ideas we can we will have to work fast kay yeah alright as you can see we have got 30 minutes until the next meeting so we will have to try and decide on some of the basic functionality how the user interface might work that will be a key aspect especially if the idea of some kind of macros facility because you have to program it you have to have a lot of response back or at least some kind and we are going to maybe n try and have to figure out what the user wants what the user wants yes okay right has anybody got anything they would like to add at this stage anything they think that might have been missed so far well when you are talking about gaming and stuff do you think they should have some sort of stick on it rather than buttons 0 okay like control pads you know of games but or is that a bit ridiculous i i do not see why not almost everybody is probably used to a console by now and all of them incorporate small keypads on them in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well so it is probably an interface that most people are used to yeah and that could allow n easy navigation used as a joystick as well the other key feature that that would be a good idea built into it is t is is to make something you know fairly sort of ergonomic something that just fits fits as comfortably as possible into the hand but of course al al also allows for the possibility of a more sort of slightly unconventional or attractive sha shape for it overall okay so small stylish and something that is just a little different a curve something sort of sort of sl slightly sort of biomorphic in form which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway okay that is definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily i would i would have hoped so anyway right i would say we finish this one up we get started i will get in i will write up what we have kind of quickly done and i will get that out to everybody kay yeah so okay as far as i am aware we leave the microphones here unless we get told otherwise and just take the laptops with us" ]

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[ "okay well i think we are ready to begin right my name is adin dugood we are here because of real reaction we have in the group ebenezer ademisoy do you like me to spell it yeah go for it mate n e z n z e r ebenezer and your role is i am the marketing expert you are the marketing expert okay next we have tarak rahman t a r i k your role in this is industrial designer industrial designer and lastly we have dave cochern and you are going to be the user interface to user interface to design okay right this is the agenda for today is meeting as you can see the opening acquaintance tool training project plan discussion and closing we already got through opening and partially through acquaintance so the reason we are here we are going to design a new remote control as you probably all know the very broad overview is original trendy and user friendly of course we will have to go into a bit more detail than that but but personally i think that the original is going to be a very key aspect of this design there is a lot of remote controls out there anyway so we are going to need something that is really going to set it apart this is how today seems to be going to work we have the 3 k phases as you have probably already been told the functional and the detailed design 1st one is going to be covering the user requirement spec technical functions working design 2nd seems to be conceptual components properties materials and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far of course you have all got the similar emails i believe what can i say every user do you want to draw your favorite animal sure okay okay i will make this quick since we do not have much time okay so it is not the best of the elephant 1st point 1st point begins with an e same like ebenezer also elephants have a very good memory much like myself and i can not remember back when i used to live in nigeria but i think i used to have a pet elephant so elephants are big strong and gentle and they have great memories and it began with the letter e just like ebenezer brilliantly done thank you derek would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry it is supposed to come all the way 0 you can clip them to your belt 0 thank you you should also have your lapel mic on as well 0 that is good we can clip them on okay yeah there is this microphone as well that you just somewhere the other it is just across here the other it is just across here that is it yep i think so i will follow you if you i will follow you if you there you go you can probably just stick it in your pocket for now i would not worry too much i should have good range yeah destroying your outfit here i am sorry i am sorry it is good one all right here we have a tiger i have always loved tigers they are just they are biggest cats i did a project on cats of the wild when i was a kid and it was my favorite cat just because it looks the best the stripes orange my dad used to talk about he is from bangladesh so i used to tell me all about them when he was a kid and they are just the most feared of animals in the wild animals in the wild so that is why i like them i do not say i met me really well excellent thank you very much dave if you would like to have a dash so i am sorry thank you thank you a monkey this is a this is a somewhat a bleak reference in fact to i have a 3 year old daughter who is affectionately known as miss monkey monkeys have attitude which i think is a good thing and from the point of view the study of human evolution they and other privates are terribly interesting i like monkeys this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most i am hardly hardly what i would call the best drawing in the world but it will do for now also not quite as feared as your average tiger but cats are one of my favorite animals they are very independent they are snotty as hell at the best of times and what can you say you have got all of those qualities in an animal i think we have all managed to master every whiteboard there by looks of it so on to it project finance as you can see €125 per unit that is not a terrible lot as far as i am aware we are hoping to sell them for 25 if we are aiming for €50000000 we are going to have to be selling an awful lot 0 that was proper name that was a amount so that is the amount made yeah okay well 50000000 and if you are making €125 in each one then awful lot need to be sold ok now we better actually just get on the meat of the project so i am going to guess that we have all used remote controls any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market well one thing i am aware of is that at the very high price end of the market there is an emerging market for touch screen lcd cd remotes that can be programmed in much more sophisticated ways that are conventional models so you get the sort of you get you can redesign the interface to your own needs you can program in macros and you get a much greater degree of them i mean you get these sort of 3 and 15 whatever but you can get integration between the different the different things that is designed to control to a much greater extent you can have one macro to turn the tv to the right channel rewind the tape and the vcr and get it to play what is rewind for instance okay it occurs to me there might be a niche for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a conventional push button design and therefore putting it into a much lower price bracket okay that is true with the price range we are looking at going for a touch screen would probably be possibly other absolutely prohibitive but you think again something to control multiple units in a simple fashion yeah i mean i mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units but something that could operate between multiple units in a more integrated fashion some of this an idea something into which we have some at least limited facility for running macros would you be idea something along the lines of one on button would turn on say the video recorded the tv maybe the sound system as well on one go is that for instance as they are or you press play button for the dvd player and it turns the tv on and onto the right channel as well okay that sounds like a good strong idea any takes in this well i have noticed that gaming is becoming quite popular with television when i was younger we used to play games using cable using the cable subscribe cable providers but our remote controls get worn out really easily and the remote control is not a great kind of keypad for playing games so perhaps one that was more specialized for game playing or interactive television they recently brought out this new remote control for people to set their favorite channels or to record things instead of people entering in what time things start you simply slide a bar to say what time it begins and slide another bar to say what time it ends yeah i have seen the barcode design before yeah it is taken out the you do not have to be really clever to use a remote control i think for gaming you know you want some big buttons for up down left and right and shoot you want to be able to change angles and interact with television so you need buttons to change the television angle the camera angles and stuff like that okay well we are beginning to run out of time now so we have got a couple of of ideas we will have to work fast all right as you can see we have got 30 minutes until the next meeting so we will have to try and decide on some of the basic functionality how the user interface might work that will be a key aspect especially if the idea of some kind of macro facility because you have to program it you have to have a lot of response back or at least some kind and we are going to maybe try and have to figure out what the user wants what the user wants yes okay right has anybody got anything they would like to add at this stage anything they think that might have been missed so far well when you are talking about gaming and stuff do you think they should have some sort of stick on it rather than buttons 0 okay that is a like control like you know of games but is that a bit ridiculous i do not see why not almost everybody is probably used to a console by now and all of them incorporate small d pads on them in fact even the mobile phones these days are beginning to use them as well so it is probably an interface that most people are used to and that could allow easy navigation use as a joystick as well maybe the other key feature that would be a good idea of building it is to make something fairly sort of ergonomic something fits as comfortable as possible into the hand of course it also allows for the possibility of a more sort of slightly unconventional and attractive shape for it overall so small stylish and something that is just a little bit different slightly sort of biomorphic in form which it would need to be to sort of conform to the shape of the hand more efficiently anyway okay that is definitely something that we should be able to do quite easily i would have hoped so anyway right i would say we finished this one up we get started i will get them i will get them i will write up what we have kind of quickly done and i will get that out to everybody okay yeah so okay okay me and good journey i guess as far as i am aware we leave the microphones here unless we are told otherwise and just take the laptop with us i am" ]

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[ "it is play doh play doh is edible did you know that it is definitely because kids yeah i used to eat it i have i have definitely eaten it before i did not know was edible yeah but it is it is made edible cause yeah it is it is chew proof it is made edible cause kids eat it and if it is was not edible then yeah well normal babies actually that makes sense because i remember like peopl i dunno if my mom ever did it but i remember other people is moms making like home made play doh where you just like make the coloring and make some sort of sort of dough yeah 0 yeah it is yeah 0 yeah right everybody everybody ready yeah yep okay let us have your let us get have the presentation we have got some we have got a cool prototype yeah it is pretty exciting so everything that we wanted we wanted it to be ergonomic and to be made out of rubber very simple and easy to use yeah double curved nice double curved but also something that was going to jump out at people something that would be different separate it from the other remotes out on the market so i think if you put this in the palm of your hand you will see what a nice thing we have going here that is cool so basically if you hold it like that the one on your thumb yeah the thumb button is the power button your index finger is channel up middle finger is channel down ring finger is volume up your pinkie is volume down what is the big blue thing that is the lock button has a l l on it and then the m is a mute button 0 cool and then it also has digit what button and mute for muting the 0 mute and then then you can also there is a numeric keypad on the top so you can key directly to the to the channel if you want okay so it is really basic functionalities as far as what keys are available but we think it is very comfortable and very innovative and it looks different that certainly does so all the i mean the important keys are right at your f f you know right at at a convenient place for you to to access them so you do not you which is ant anti r s i yeah it should be and it is also conformable to the size of your hand i mean if that is too big it is a rubber remote so you can you know yeah is great change that 0 it is so cute so d does that what mesh with what you guys were hoping and for and expecting or does it i have one thing about it but it is a small thing but it would mean we would have to make a right handed one and a left handed one ah that is good thinking yeah 0 right yeah but that is i do not see why that is not possible yeah if we build rocket ships why can not we build left handed and right handed remotes yeah they make left handed scissors you know yeah i did not i did not think about that but i would yeah yeah but then but then you can learn to use your right h like i was just thinking if there is left handers and right handers in the family what they have 2 remotes yes s yeah i know i know people who have left handed and right handed people in the family and they all use the computer for the whole the same computer the fes family and they have a mouse sure sure and everybody is using right handed mouse yeah i am sure they will be able to huh i mean it is only pressing buttons you do not have to do anything you know extraordinary i think everybody can press a button with their left and right hand so yeah imagine d are you right handed yeah imagine you are doing it with your left hand i do not think it is too yeah it is not but we can have both yeah have them in stock yeah yeah make em more appealing as well but other than that i mean and that is you know that is just something i think i think it is great yeah great idea do you think it says r r i think it does i think it is well if the r r motto is we bring fashion to to electronics i would say that could be quite fashionable fashion to electronics yeah yeah yeah and it has got the b the black and yellow and blue plus red which is sort of a a fruit and vegetable yeah yeah there you go so that is that is our end of things wha that is yeah very good yeah it is come up with what we have you know the things that is what we have what we were looking at doing has not it all seems to be there yeah well done and all the playing around is before we move on yeah i am just do you want to plug in i need that cable okay thank you yeah one thing i do need to do we need to look at is the costs the costs was that what you said play doh is very cheap well yeah play doh will not last very long everybody will go like oops it has gone but it is edible chew proof well they will buy more of them if you eat them that was the main criteria from the last meeting it had to be chew proof yeah right okay now i think we will do this i could do you know i can do this 0 on my own or i could do it with you yeah 0 ho ho but it is just easy enough to go through it with you so we are going for the kinetic power yep and the electronics we decided on it being just a simple the easiest thing that is inside it ooh so the case we have gone for the double curved and it is made out of rubber the interface is push buttons and button supplements well they are in diff special colors are not they yeah so special colors yeah it is better for special form yeah they are a special form there in shapes and stuff yeah i mean these these ones on the side are curved kind of so and special material yep yeah are they made out of any special material rubber no they are not they are not made out of wood or titanium or rubber or anything they are just simple well they are rubber are not they the buttons are rubber okay yeah right so let us see if that comes within budget and it does that is going to cost yeah we are under budget that is going to cost €101070 a unit to make and our target was it had to come in at under 1250 that is cool yeah yeah so and we are actua actually making a better profit than we expected this is all very very good the bosses will be very pleased okay let us just save this so i can e mail it to you save it in save it in the my documents it is already saved i think splendid okay so that is done with this with this doodah so you are going to do what you were going to do thank you your evaluation 0 yeah this is where we all get to i get to write on the oops on the board right 0 is function f 8 okay i love the smell of that play doh yeah have some have some i cou okay so evaluation we are going to do it all together so we evaluate each criteria i have got the criterias and we have to do it on a scale of one to 71 being true so it is it is more like it is fits the criteria and 7 being as in it does not fit the criteria and the criterias are and i will draw this up on the board so we have a box and this is false this is just like to keep you informed so 7 is here and one is here and then you have got in the middle so the 1st criteria do you all get what we are doing okay cool okay 1st criteria look and feel so the does remote look and feel fashionable to what we talked about as it is it color wise and is it spongy so what mark should we give for that i would give it a 7 yeah as in it is not 0 sorry one 0 sorry one d yeah a one a one a one so i will just write criteria criteria one we get one 2nd criteria new technology have we implemented new technology as in the new high tech well the kinetic thing yeah yeah yeah that was our main technological innovation w every everything else was fairly simple but the fact that we used the kinetic energy was new so it is so we will give it a well so the it is ergonomic but that is not that is that is a design that is a des that is a design thing yeah yeah yeah but that is not a technological thing that is another thing i that is another marketing thing yeah yeah true yeah so on the technical side of it it i would say it is about a a twoish it is about in the mid in the middle somewhere maybe yeah i dunno 2 2 3 yeah maybe 3 yeah 3 so criteria 3 is is it easy to use easy to use i think it is a one i think i would say it is i would not not if you are left handed it is not yeah i would give it a i would give it a 2 2 so it is cause i i it i it i it is more geared for right handed people than left handed people but okay but if we make a right handed and a left handed then if we are going to have one left handed and one right handed then i would give it a one but otherwise otherwise a 2 yeah yeah yeah give it a t give it a 2 yeah okay kay criteria 4 is costs cost it is come in under budget is great yeah so that is a definite one that was great yeah amount of buttons like the amount of buttons cause people like a lot le like contains only the necessary buttons so it is a one yeah yeah yeah criteria 6 r s i is it good against yes s yeah yes so it is anti r s i very good it is one and criteria 7 which is the last one does it get lost is it easy to get lost it is yellow it is very bright yeah i do not think it is going to get lost easily no but it is smallish it is not the kinda thing that is going to slip like between a couch cushion or something you know 2 maybe it will t i think i it would could be could get lost you think it could lost 2 yeah i mean it is not fully it is not fully like you can not say i mean it is not a one definitely i mean it no i mean i mean you could still flush it down the toilet theoretically but okay yeah anything i mean okay it is bigger than the average mobile i guess yeah but yeah it can get lost the mobiles get lost all the time yeah okay yeah 2 is fine but then you ring em and you find them yeah yeah so okay yeah so that is that so that is the evaluation so i would say yay we have we have done well alright it is all all systems go it is like like a number one yeah number one product we can not fail all done thanks we fitted all the criterias yeah yeah so well done reissa so that is that one okay i i think i just want to put in as project manager the you know little bit of praise for everybody here for how they have worked on it you know both individually and as a team you know you have w everyone is come up with their own individual ideas in their own different departments and then come together and worked in you know integrally you know at the right times psp you know especially you 2 that is all you know gone very very well and and and be you know has been good communication going on yeah yeah during our design i mean there was some s some heated heated discussion but we we kept we tried to keep it cool and and did you have to go down to the the corporate squash court and bash a few balls about just just we just had to we just had to squeeze our product a little bit and well you know fantastic now you guys have been a a great team it is think we are the we are the envy of all the of all the other r r teams been cool i think so i i you know and i think we have co we have come we have come up with something new something that has not been done before we have not we are not just rehashing an old design in 4 diff in in 4 meetings yeah funny all designer meetings could be this quick you know maybe this is not a simulation maybe this is actually so it is like sony or someone like that they are they are just yeah they get yeah i think they are actually trying to find ideas for a ideal remote they are using our ideas yeah yeah 2 years time this will be on the market ex exactly that product thum we will go yeah we designed that and no one will believe us but so at this stage i mean is this the last meeting of the project we do not have another one after it has gone gone to marke market or something yeah no i think when this meeting is finished like officially there b we will get a questionnaire to fill in y 0 really or 6 just start summarizing now you can reply to the same message i have not got message see summary there if you just reply to that one so there is no way to like predict what our cause we had a we originally had a as far as our financial goals we had a specific number for profits that we wanted it was 50 mil 50000000 was it was it 50 or 5 i do not remember but there is not a way to compute that i mean since we saved on the on the production cost do we know how much we are making on profit it gets handed over to another department depends how much we sell what our what our project was was to come up with the product basically the for the and just basically is it it come can is it within budget when it c when it comes to all the other things of how to sell it and you know the b the profits and all that that is other departments it is another team that actually work out the mai the 0 yeah but we have a vested interest professor profit sharing the all the guys in the profit sharing yeah yeah that is it you know we have we have we have made i we have made we have designed the product we have ma we have got the prototype we finished an hour earlier it is within budget it is does everything that we wanted it to do it is new it is it is something that that is not out there already i think actually and one advantage of of this is that after the you know after this fad of fruit and vegetables passes this will still be c a cool remote you know we are not we are not you know tying tying our cart to that one horse yeah well this is very marketable in that it is it is it is something that is kind of new and looks a bit quirky for people who want that definitely it is that it is hang on i wrote it down here somewhere 0 no i thi i put it in one of my e mails that i sent off that you know it is marketable in the sense that it is whilst all these other remotes actually do give you repetitive strain injury our one does the complete opposite you know so that is something that is new which is one of the criteria they asked us to come up with something with something new it make watching t v healthy yeah and if you are not having a good time with the t v you can f throw it about you know yeah it is fine it is kid proof just do not sh do not throw it at any of the ornaments and break them well you can break the ornaments but you will not break that no yeah so all in all i think we have done very well yep well done everybody yay right you too drinks are on the company cool in the corporate bar that is next to the corporate swimming pool on the top floor that we are that have all just gained access to glad to hear that yeah that is it that is it well as far as i t as far as i know yep we have not got the 5 minute left thing yet no anyone want to play i spy i guess it is probably better that we wrap it up than have 5 minutes of silence should we call the day then yeah i guess i mean we are going to get asked to fill out another questionnaire right it is probably going to be the same as one we have done before in project but i am not the authority to say that it is how does everyone feel about the technology that has been used in this the sort of using of the the pens and writing on these special pads and all that i love it i love it i think it is cool being all wired up and a vibrating pen and it is cool being watched your moment to shine wow yeah i thi you know i would i would n yeah as we said earlier i have not never seen that before something that t the whiteboard yeah thingy that is great but a p a pen with a camera on it i do not think it is such a new thing i mean it is i or in such a new idea it would be different if it was sort of hand writing recognition stuff yeah but as it is not it is literally that will come up on a computer screen as a picture file rather than actual text right i think they do want to do hand writing recognition on that it is just the 1st step yeah yeah logitech i guess we should end this since we are off off topic yeah so shall we meeting adjourned right yeah" ]

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[ "play doh play doh is edible did you know that it is definitely because kids i used to eat it i have definitely eaten it before i did not know it was edible but it is chew proof yeah it is made edible because kids eat it if it was not edible then well no more babies actually that makes sense because i remember like i do not know if my mom ever did it i remember other people is moms making i call made play doh where you just like make the you know use coloring and make some sort of sort of yeah 0 yeah it is yeah 0 yeah right everybody everybody ready yep yep okay let us have your let us get let us have the presentation we have got a cool prototype it is pretty exciting so everything that we wanted we wanted it to be ergonomic and to be made out of rubber very simple and easy to use double curved yeah double curved but also something that was going to jump out at people something that would be different separated from the other remotes out on the market so i think if you put this in the palm of your hand you will see what a nice thing we have going here that is cool so basically if you hold it like that the one on your thumb yeah the thumb button is the power button your index finger is channel up middle finger is channel down ring finger is volume up your pinky is volume down what is the big blue thing that is the lock button 0 cool and then the m is a mute button and then it also has so what button m for muted 0 meet and you can also there is a numeric keypad on the top so you can key directly to the channel if you want so it is really basic functionality as far as what keys are available but we think it is very comfortable and very innovative and it looks different that certainly does so all the i mean the important keys are right at your you know right at a convenient place for you to access them which is anti r s i yeah it should be and it is also conformable to the size of your hand i mean if that is too big it is a rubber remote so you can it is great 0 it is so cute is that what mesh with what you guys were hoping and for expecting i have one thing about it but it is a small thing but it would have to make a right handed one and a left handed one i do not think of you but i do not see why that is not possible if we build rocket ships why can not we put a left handed and right handed yeah they might left handed scissors you know yeah but then i did not think about that but yeah but then you can learn to use your right hap like i was just thinking if there is left hander and right handers in the family what do they have 2 remotes i know people who have left handed and right handed people in the family and they all use the computer the same computer for the family and they have a mouse everybody is using right handed i am sure they will be able to i mean it is only pressing buttons you do not have to do anything you know extraordinary i think everybody can press a button with their left and their right hand imagine are you right handed yeah imagine doing it with your left hand i do not think it is too yeah it is not but we can have both yeah have them in stock yeah yeah make them more appealing but other than that i mean that and that is you know that is just something i think i think it is great yeah great idea do you think it says rr i think it is i think it is well if the rrr motto is we bring fashion to electronic to electronics i would say that could be quite fashionable yeah and it has got the black and yellow and blue plus red which is sort of a fruit and vegetable there you go yeah so that is our end of things yeah it is come up with what you know the thing that is what we were looking at doing was not it it all seems to be there well done and all playing around is before we move on yeah i am just do you want to plug in i need that cable thank you yeah one thing i do need to do we need to look at is the costs the costs is that why you said play doh was very cheap well yeah play doh will last very long everybody will go like go like oops it has gone but it is edible cheap proof well i will buy more of them if you that was the main criteria from the last meeting it had to be chew proof yeah right okay now i think we will do this i could do you know i can do this 0 my i can do it with you but it is just easy enough to go through it with you so we are going for the kinetic power and the electronics we decided on it being just a simple the easiest thing that is inside it the case we have gone for the double curved and it is made out of rubber the interface is push buttons and button supplements well they are different special colors are not they yeah so special colors special form yeah they are special form yeah they are special form they are in shapes and stuff yeah i mean these ones on the side are curved kind of yeah they are made out of any special material no they are not they are not out of wood or titanium or rubber or anything they are just simple well they are rubber are not they okay so let us see if that comes within budget and it does that is going to cost yeah that is going to cost 10 10000 a unit to make and our target was it had to come in at under 1250 so i am actually making a better profit than the this is all very very good the bosses will be very pleased okay let us just save this so i can email it to me yeah 0 so you are very done no i want to say in the the the the the my documents splendid okay so that is much me done with this with this doodal so you can do what you were going to do evaluation situation 0 yeah this is where we all get to i get to write on the oops in the board right 0 it is functioned okay okay i love this smell of that play do not i can spell it okay okay so evaluation i am going to do it all again so we are evaluating each criteria i have got the criteria and we have to do it on a scale of one to 71 being true so it is more like it fits the criteria and 7 being as in it does not fit the criteria and the criteria are and i will draw this up on the board so we have a box just so we now true and this is false this is just like to keep you informed so 7 is here and one is here and then you have got in the middle so the 1st criteria do you all get what we are doing okay cool okay 1st criteria look and feel so does the remote look and feel fashionable to what we talked about as it is it color wise and is it spongy so what mark should we give it a 7 yeah as in it is not 0 sorry 10 sorry one yeah so i will just write criteria criteria one get 2nd criteria new technology have we implemented new technology within the new tech yeah that was our main technological innovation everything else is really simple but the fact that we use the kinetic energy is new it is ergonomic yeah but that is not a technological thing that is another thing that is another marketing thing so on the technical side of it it is about 2 ish in the middle somewhere maybe i do not know 3 yeah maybe 3 yeah go to 3 so criteria 3 is easy to use i think it is a one i would say it is not if you are left handed it is not i would give it a 2 2 because it is more geared for right handed people than left handed people but if we make a right handed and left handed then if we are going to have one left handed then i would give it a one yeah give it a 2 yeah okay okay criteria 4 is costs i mean under budget so it is a definite one that was great yeah amount of buttons like the amount of buttons because people like it only the necessary buttons so it is a one yeah criteria 6 rsi is a good against yes yes very good it is anti r si it is one and criteria 7 which is the last one does it get lost is it easy to get lost i do not think it is going to get lost easily no but it is smallish it is not the kind of thing that is going to slip like between a couch cushion or something maybe it will i think it would be could get lost you would have 2 yeah i mean it is not fully it is not fully like you can not say i mean it is not a one definitely i mean you can still flush it down the toilet theoretically yeah anything i mean okay it is bigger than the average mobile i guess yeah but yeah it can get lost the mobiles get lost all the time okay yeah 2 times but then you ring them and you find them so okay yeah so that is the evaluation so i would say yay 0 it is like all systems go like a number one number one product we can not fail we fitted all the criteria yeah okay yeah so well done risa so that is that one okay i i think i just want to put in as project manager you know a little bit of praise for everybody here about how they have worked on it you know both individually and as a team everyone is come up with their own individual ideas in their own different departments and then come together and works in you know integrally you know at the right times you know especially you 2 that is all you know gone very very well and pete you know as being good communication going on yeah during our design i mean there was some heated discussion but we kept we tried to keep it cool and did you have to go down to the corporate squash court and bash a few bulls about we just had to squeeze our product a little bit fantastic now you guys have been a great team i think we are the envy of all the other our teams i think so you know i think we have come up with something new something that has not been done before we are not just rehashing an old design in 4 meetings yeah for your designer meetings could be this quick you know maybe this is not a simulation maybe this is actually it is like sony or someone like that they are just yeah thank you for our idea yeah 2 years time this will be on the market exactly that product we will go yeah we design that and no one will believe us so at this stage is this the last meeting of the project we do not have another one after it has gone no i think when this meeting is finished like officially we will get a questionnaire to fill in or 6 just start summarizing now you can reply to the same message i have got the message see somebody you just reply to that from so there is no way to like predict what our because we had a we originally had it as far as our financial goals we had a specific number for profits that we wanted it was 50 was it 50 or 5 i do not remember but there is not a way to compute that i mean since we saved on that production cost do we know how much we are making on profit it gets handed over to another department what our project was was to come up with the product basically and just basically is it can is it within budget when it comes to all the other things of how to sell it and the profits and all that that is other departments it is another team that actually work out but we have a vested interest 0 yeah it goes in the profit sharing yeah yeah that is it we have finished now really we have made we have designed the product we have got the prototype it is within budget it does everything that we wanted it to do it is new it is something that is not out there already i think actually and one advantage of this is that after the you know after this fad of fruit and vegetables passes this will still be a cool you know we are not you know tying our cart to that one horse yeah but it is just very remarkable in that it is it is something that is kind of new and looks a bit quirky for people who want that it is hang on i wrote it down here somewhere 0 no i put it in one of my emails that i sent off it is marketable in the sense that it is whilst all these other remotes actually do give you a pestive strain injury our one does the complete opposite so that is something that is new which is one of the criteria they asked us to come up with something with something new it makes watching tv happy yeah and if you are not having a good time with the tv you can throw it about you know it is fine it is kid proof just do not throw it at any of the ornaments and break them well you can break the ornaments but you will not break that no true yeah so all in all i think we have done very well well done everybody yay me too drinks are on the company cool in the corporate bar that is next to the corporate swimming pool on the top floor that we have all just gained access to glad to hear that that is it that is it well as far as i know we have not got the 5 minutes left thing yet no you do not want to play ice by i guess it is probably better than we wrap it up than have 5 minutes of silence should we call it a day then yeah i guess i mean we are going to get asked to fill out another question it is probably going to be the same as one we have done before but i am not the authority to say that it is how does everyone feel about the technology that has been used in this using the pens and writing on these special pads special pads and all that i love it i love it i think it is cool you are all wired up and a vibrating pen it is cool being watched your moment is a shame wow i think you know i did not yeah as we said earlier i have never seen that before something that the whiteboard thingy that is great but a pen with a camera on it i do not think it is such a new thing i mean it is or in such a new idea it would be different if it was sort of handwriting recognition stuff but as it is not it is literally that will come up on a computer screen is a picture file rather than actual text right i think they do want to do handwriting yeah it is just the 1st step logitech i guess we should end this since we are off topic yeah meeting adjourned right yeah" ]

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[ "is this okay yeah fine now 0 it is not liking us it went that a way computer adjusting 0 okay so right you ready back there okay welcome everyone this is the kick off meeting for the day we are the new group to create a new remote control for real reaction as you can see our agenda is to open up the meeting become acquainted with each other have a little training on tools create a plan discuss things and and we only have 20 minut 25 minutes total okay the new remote control is to be original trendy and user friendly that steph is your part is the user friendliness the originality is going to take all of us the trendiness we will probably go look at for some marketing research information from you sarah and we will get on with it okay so we will have a functional design individual work with meeting and then conceptual design t and then detailed design okay right everybody is supposed to try out the whiteboard kate why do not you try it 1st if you can either bring your things with you i guess yeah if i can pick up with all these bits and pieces hang on and while you are doing that we will try and figure out how to hook these things on as well cause we are all going to have to be able to walk around right so you want an animal and the characteristics of that animal do you have to be able to recognize what animal it is i do not think so i think it is just to try out the whiteboard are we all going to draw a cat only animal i could thin i could draw i know ah its a sort of bunny rabbit cat you can tell it is not a bunny rabbit by the ears huh i suppose it should have a mouth as well sort of okay right yeah great and the characteristics the favorite characteristics of the cat the whiskers i think because they are the easiest to draw huh in fact i will give it some more 0 and the tail okay fantastic since you are handy as well why do not you do yours next steph i think it is to get us used to using the pen yes sure it is not to test our artistic no it is a mouse a mouse y that is not a mouse y no no it is not a mouse it is a wombat 0 it is a ratty argh a what a ratty rat not a mouse a rat a webbed foot webbed f 0 right it is clothes that is it is clothes it is a ratty with a with a with a very long tail and your favorite characteristics of that animal i love whiskers they are intelligent and they are cheeky and fantastic pets and very friendly 0 okay and they sit on your shoulder and whisper the answers to your homework in your ear when you are doing your homework kate thanks 0 a fish gosh why did not i think of fish a shark that is even easier to draw than cat this is very representational fish 0 okay fine i like them because they are sleek and they have a lot of freedom but they also do n swim in groups so favorite characteristics kay so they have team elements do you have a favorite one i am afraid i am with steph and i think your pen is running out of whatever but i am afraid i take the coward is way out and the cat is looking the other way he is hiding cats are sometimes very independent my parents had cats and they can decide for themselves what is best okay now we have to get down to the nitty gritty of how to make this and this remote control has to be sold we are to sell it for €25 with a profit aim ultimately of €50000000 that tells you something about how many we have to sell on an international scale would be an awful lot of these would be like what a 100000000 of them to make €25 on each one and to make a total profit of 50000000 the production is to only cost €125 per item now if they cost 125 you are selling it for 25 you are making €125 each and we are to make a profit of 50000000 that is t can you do the maths and how many are we selling yeah i was just wondering if that is the if 50% is normal mark up b yeah i would think would be more like 60% but let me i have 2 thoughts okay 150% and and your question is how many do we have to sell yes cause our market is international and your problem is has to do with marketing of you know you got to know how many we are going to be selling to know how big a market you have to target and who is that at 25 yeah that is to give you a pretty good idea of where you are looking so that is 4000000 of them something like that okay yeah that is €50000000 in order to make €50000000 and you are only getting 125 each and if we make that is a lot of selling yeah 24 4000000 to be 50 be 4000000 you would have to sell 4000000 okay right experience with a remote control any of you use of remote control for a television or d v d or something that that that is the sorta product we are talking about one that will work for a in a home environment for a t v s and you are both nodding all 3 yeah well i have seen some remote controls that are for more than one device at a time but i also have heard about them not working well or not well co ordinated and you wind up working with this one for thi this 3 and then this one over here for another it is true that you always sit around you know you are sitting on your sofa and you want to change something there is 5 different remotes and one for the d v d and one for the video and one for cable and one for whatever else y yeah and they do not always talk to each other but i presume this is t i presume this is just for television do not know okay are there any ideas for the remote what would it be for and what group would be be for we have to think about that one we could make a hello kitty themed remote i think one in b bright colors would be good yeah i think one that works would be good we could totally go for the japan a mation well i mean there is also the cachet that the japanese make great products electrical their industrial design is very good i think one that does not have lots of superfluous functions like i have got one at home that has well apart from the obvious channels channel up channel down volume yeah you know subtitles mute there is a lotta buttons that i have got no idea what they do like well that is a really good point because i think one of the things that being somewhat computer literate okay we tend to go to menus and then make choices you know so if it is like an volume button you know you can go in and say mute or or volume we do not need to have like the l the numbers if we also have channel up channel down okay we can make it smart like an ipod you know make everything menus ooh closing the meeting yeah i know this sounds like it was very quick but the that was quick i think that is the industrial design is the 1st one that is kate for the working design and user that is you s steph for the technical functions design and for marketing the user requirements specification i think there is going to be a lot of we have to help each other and work through this as a group and i think we all you know we like our kitty cat and our rat and our fish but i think we all have to like each other to get this done as it says we are going to get individual instructions but i do not think they allowed a lot of extra time so i think a little bit of less of this and more at do will set us in good stead do you all agree alright then i do not see any reason to prolong it and f we should finish this meeting at ni right now and go into other things alright so this is the end of the 1st meeting okay kay thank you all" ]

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[ "is this okay why not 0 it is not liking us it went that away computer adjusting 0 ah you ready back there you ready back there okay welcome everyone this is the kickoff meeting for the day we are the new group to create a new remote control for real reaction as you can see our agenda is to open up the meeting become acquainted with each other have a little training on tools create a plan discuss things and when we have 25 minutes total okay the new remote control is to be original trendy and user friendly that stuff is your part as the user friendlyness friendliness the originality it is going to take all of us the trendiness will probably get looked for some marketing research information from you sarah and we will get on with it okay so we will have a functional design individual work both meeting and then conceptual design and then detailed design okay right everybody is supposed to try out the whiteboard kate why do not you try it 1st if you can either bring your things with you i guess and while you are doing that we will try and figure out how to hook these things on as well because we are all going to have to walk around right so you want an animal and the characteristics of that animal do you have to be able to recognize what animal it is i do not think so i think it is just to try out the whiteboard are we all going to draw a cat i know the only animal i could think i could call it is a sort of bunny rabbit cat you can tell it it is not a bunny rabbit by the ears i suppose it should have a mouth as well okay great and the characteristics favorite characteristics of the cat are the whiskers i think because they are the easiest to draw aha i will give it some more 0 and the tail fantastic since you are handy as well when you do yours next stuff i think this is to get us used to using the pen i am sure it is not to test all artistic ah no it is a mouse a mousey it is not a macy no not a mouse it is a wombat it is a wambat a witty a what a rat a wipped foot whipped it is not it is his claws so yattie with a very long and your favorite characteristics of that animal dead intelligent and the jee k and fantastic pets i am very friendly okay and they sit on your shoulder and whisper the answers to your homework in your ear when you are doing your homework thank you 0 a fish gosh why did not i think of fish that is even easier to draw than cat this is very representational fish 0 okay fine i like them because they are sleek and they have a lot of freedom but they also do swimming groups okay so you have a favorite teen elements i am afraid i am with steph i do not think your pen running out of whatever but i am afraid i take the cowards way out and the cat is looking the other way he is hiding cats are sometimes very independent my parents had cats and they can decide for themselves what is best okay now we have to get down to the nitty gritty of how to make this and this remote control has to be sold we are to sell it for €25 with a profit aim ultimately of €50000000 that tells you something about how many we have to sell on an international scale would be an awful lot of these would be like what 100000000 of them to make €25 on each one and make a total profit of 50000000 the production is to only cost €125 per item now if they cost 125 you are selling it for 25 you are making €125 each and we are to make a profit of 50000000 that is can you do the math and how many are we selling yeah i was just wondering if that is the if 50% is normal markup yeah i would think it would be more like 60% but okay i have 2 thoughts and your question is how many do we have to sell yes because our market is international and your problem is has to do with marketing of you know you got to know how many we are going to be selling to know how big a market you have target and who is that yeah that is to give you a pretty good idea of where you are looking so that is $4000000 of them something like that okay that is $50000000 or to make €50000000 and you are only getting $125 each that is a lot of selling to be $4000000 you would have to sell $4000000 okay right experience with a remote control if you use a remote control for a television or dvd or something you are both nodding all 3 talking about one that will work for a home environment for a dvds well i have seen some remote controls that are for more than one device at a time but i also have heard about them not working well or not well coordinated and you wind up working with this one for this 3 and then this one over here for another it is true that you are sitting on your sofa and you want to change something but it is 5 different remote so one for the dvd and one for the video and one for cable and one for one for they do not always talk to each other i presume this is just for television do not know okay are there any ideas for the remote what would it be for and what group would be before we have to think about that one we could make a hello kitty themed remote i think one of the bright colors with the kids yeah we could totally go for the japanamation well i mean there is also the cachet that japanese make great products electrical their industrial design is very good i think one that does not have lots of superfluous functions like i have got one at home that has well apart from the obvious channels channel up channel down volume yeah you know subtitles mute there is a lot of buttons that i have got no idea what they do that is a really good point because i think one of the things that being somewhat computer literate we tend to go to menus and then make choices so if it is like a volume button you can go in and say mute or volume we do not need to have like the numbers we also have a channel up channel down we can make it smart like an ipod make everything my nose ooh closing everything yeah that is great i know this sounds like it was very quick but the i think that is the industrial design is the 1st one that is kate the working design and user that is used steph for the technical functions design and for marketing the user requirements specification i think there is going to be a lot of we have to help each other and work through this as a group and i think we all you know we like our kitty cat and our rat and our fish but i think we all have to like each other to get this done as it is says we are going to get individual instructions but i do not think they will allow a lot of extra time so i think a little bit of less of this and more it do will set us in good stead do you all agree all right then i do not see any reason to prolong it and we should finish this meeting right now and go into other things all right so this is the end of the 1st meeting thank you all" ]

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[ "now what kay hello everybody i guess you all know what is it about you all received the email i guess we are actually doing this meeting to start a new project which is about designing a remote control so i am going to be the project manager of this project and so i am present myself i am fabien cardinaux and i i guess you can present yourself so i dunno you can starts okay so my name is petre you can call me petre or peter if you like i do not care okay my name is bob mor and you are in the project in the project i am supposed to be the technic 0 sorry kay so my name is bob morris i am the marketing expert for this project bob okay bob yeah my name is hamed getabdar and i am going to be interface designer in this project okay so so today we are doing a short meeting to present the project so we are gooding we are going to present the tool we are we are going to use during all this project we are talking about the project plan and we are going to to discuss about saint our 1st ideas and so on and yeah so we have around 25 minutes to do this meeting so what is the goal of this project is to design a new remote control so it should be of course new and original and it should be trendy and user friendly that mean it is a very challenging project and so w it is we will try to do our best and hopefully come with something very new and that people want to buy so so what is what are we going to do during this all this project so it is more like we are going to do inv individual work all in 0 in 0 our specialities and we are going to meet each other quite often to discuss and to find a good way yeah and everything is will be like this so now we are going to to get used t to to the tools we are going to use all during all this project so we can try to use the whiteboard here so okay for example we can try to write what is our our favorite animal and write the f our favorite characteristics about it so so i will ask you all to do the same okay just to get used to the whiteboard so probably i would try to try to draw the animal well sh should i draw the picture of the animal i i th i think i should yeah yeah you can draw the picture of course yeah go ahead okay so okay american i would use the bird so i tried to sketch it out i had to 1st write it down because i am not absolutely sure if i can draw it but ah can you recognize it as a bird okay it is your turn to okay okay so i think my favorite animal would be a c a cat 0 that is its head i probably like cats the most because they are cuddly and furry and playful okay i dunno if i should go with this 0 it is okay thanks if it is enough line maybe put it up put it a maybe put it on the desk or something i am sorry yeah i should get used to the tool so okay 0 just wait a little bit c could we put it here to make it as straight as possible ah probably not they should be remote okay it it works like this that is better okay thanks your lapel microphone is fallen off are you left handed no 0 pity okay should i clean okay i think like horses because they are strong and beautiful so if i want to write it here i think i can 0 never mind ah it is maybe better if you leave it yeah yeah maybe we should just continue yeah yeah do not worry about it no worry no okay you will not draw them or you can draw it if you want i dunno if i can just try i would like to see how it looks like okay it may be like a cow or i dunno whatever i am not good very good in drawing okay so this is very it is a bird i think i dunno what is it no i think it is clear 4 okay yeah i am shameful yeah 0 that is good it is good it is okay it is in it is indeed beautiful good yeah and strong okay okay bob have to remember it bob so good so let us talk about money we are going to to sell we want to sell this remote control for €25 euro and our expected profit will be around €50000000 and we are trying to to have a market all around the world so n not only for switzerland but for the world so the we expect a production cost of maximum €1250 per unit i guess yeah of course y 0 okay so we can start today to have a 1st idea of what we want to do what are our experiments with remote control and any idea so if you have some experience good or bad with remote controls you can share it and say what you f what is your idea anything okay well from experience i have had remote controls in the past that have had very they have had lots and lots of buttons and they have been very small and it has been very hard to to to use because there is so many buttons and you know it is very hard to see which buttons do what and the buttons are very small and very hard to press and and normally you only every use you know on a t v remote you only ever use mostly you know f 4 or f 6 buttons 0 so it is frustrated me in the past th that okay i have also some points maybe 2 points 1st would be that in current remote controls there is no back light so if you are if you are playing with this in the dark room it is it is probably worth to to have something like back light yeah and maybe it could be also dependant on the the amount of of light in the room so that if if it is in the day it does not need to be back lighted because it works on the battery so so something like this and the 2nd thing f 2nd point from me would be that in a normal remote control there is there are 2 buttons for volume control but i prefer like a potential meter or something like yeah ah okay okay you know some slider or not just 2 discrete buttons for volume but something which okay okay n is that because the of the discrete volume levels or is that yeah yeah but i can reach in 12nd i can mute it down or or make a high volume are you not afraid that if you take your remote control you can move the slide and it could the the volume can go up very quickly and it can yeah ah n if it drops to the floor then it starts to scream yeah also if y when you take the the remote control for example on the table you take it and you push the button and everything is very loud and yeah f it depends what what you feel about that you have a heart attack okay yeah yeah but we can we can think of these things afterwards but if you have some more notes on that yeah so you can do you have something i yeah just a simple experience i i prefer remote control working with radio waves because remote control working with infra red rays you should you should you should keep it in a specific direction and then try it hard to tune yeah that is true yeah without obstacles and okay okay let us continue i have a meeting in 5 minutes so maybe we should hurry okay okay just a 2nd so we will close this meeting so we will have a next meeting in 30 minutes the so i will ask you to do some work the the interface interface developer will work on the on the design of the remote control start to to have new idea and which i which is hamed read about yeah okay he is the industrial designer no you are the industrial designer yeah i am the technical designer i dunno which one v 0 yeah i think that is the 1st industry and 0 huh i d industrial designer and the 2nd one is the user interface designer user interf okay and then last one is marketing which is me yeah okay so i am the 1st one so for the user interface designer which is hamed you are going to work on the technical functions of the remote control i see okay and for the marketing manager i dunno okay which is bob you are going to try to to find the user requirements f for the remote control you will receive by email the specific instructions and by your personal coach sign yep finished so i see you in 30 minutes great okay okay okay thanks thanks guys bye bye thank you" ]

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[ "i am going to okay low everybody okay low everybody i guess you all know what is it about you all receive the email i guess we are actually doing this meeting to start a new project which is about designing remote control so i am going to be the project manager of this project and so i present myself i am fabian cardino and i guess you can present yourself i do not know you can start okay so my name is petra fawcich you can call me petra here or peter if you like i do not care my name is bob ma and you are in the project sorry in the project i am supposed to be the technique okay so my name is bob morris i am the marketing expert for this project bob okay my name is hamid kethabad and i am going to be interface designer designer in this project so today we are doing a short meeting to present the project so we are going to present the tool we are going to use during all this project we are talking about the project plan and we are going to discuss about our 1st ideas and so on and yeah so we have around 25 minutes to do this meeting so what is the goal of this project is to design a new remote control so it should be of course new and original and it should be trendy and user friendly that means it is a very challenging project and so we will try to do our best and hopefully come with something very new and that people want to buy so what are we going to do this all this project so it is more like we are going to do individual work all in our specialities and we are going to meet each other quite often to discuss and to find a good way so now we are going to get used to the tools we are going to use during all this project so we can try to use the whiteboard here for example we can try to write what is our favorite animal and write our favorite animal and write our favorite car characteristics about it so i will ask you all to do the same just to get used to the white balls so probably i would try to draw the animal well should i draw the picture of the animal i said yeah yeah go ahead of course okay so i would use the american i would use the bird i would use the bird so i tried to sketch it out i had to 1st write it down because i am not absolutely sure if i can draw it but can you recognize it as a story okay come it is your turn okay so i think my favorite animal would be a cat that is its head 0 that is its head i probably like cats the most because they are cuddly and fairy and playful i am sure okay i do not know if i should go with this there i am sorry maybe put it up maybe put it on the desk or something yeah i should get used to the tools so okay just wait a minute a little bit could we put it here to make it as straight as possible probably not okay i have very much like this okay thanks your lapel marker finds fallen off are your left hand it no okay should i clean okay i think i think like horses because they are strong and beautiful so if i want to write it here i think i can it may be better if you leave it yeah maybe we should just continue yeah do not worry about it no no worry no no you want to draw them you can draw it i do not know if i can just try i would like to see how it looks like it may be like a cow or i do not know whatever i am not good very good in drawing good very good in drawing okay so this is very it is a bird i think i do not know what is it no i think it is clear 4 okay okay i am shameful it is okay it is good it is good it is indeed beautiful i am strong okay okay yeah okay but i have to remember it so good so let us talk about monet we are going to we are going to sell we want to sell this remote control for €25 and our expected profit will be around €50000000 and we are trying to have a market all around the world so not only for switzerland but for all the world so we expect a production cost of maximum €1250 per unit i guess yeah of course so we can start today to have a 1st idea of what we want to do what are our experiments with remote control and any idea so if you have some experience good or bad with remote controls you can share it and say what is your idea or anything well from experience i have had remote controls in the past that i have had very they have had a lot and lots of buttons and they have been very small and it has been very hard to use because there is so many buttons and you know it is very hard to see which buttons do what and the buttons are very small and very hard to press and and normally you only ever use you know on a tv remote you only ever use mostly you know 4 or 6 buttons so it is frustrated me in the past that okay i have also some points maybe 2 points 1st would be that in current remote control there is no back light so if you are playing with this in the dark room it is probably worse to have something like a back light and maybe it could be also dependent on the amount of light in the room so that if it is in the day it does not need to be big light it is because it works on the battery so so something like this and the 2nd thing 2nd point for me would be that in normal remote controls there is there are 2 buttons for volume control but i prefer like a potential meter or something like ah okay okay you know some slider or okay not just 2 discrete buttons for volume but something which is that because of the discrete volume levels or is that yeah but i can reach in a 12nd i can mute it down or make a high volume if you take your remote control you can move the slide and it could the volume can grow up very quickly and if it drops to the floor that it starts the screen when you take the remote control for example on the table you take it and you push the button and everything is very loud and you have a value you know it depends what you feel about that okay you know we can we can think of these things afterwards but if matter you have some you can yeah just a simple experience i i prefer remote control working with radio waves because remote control working with infrared waves you should you should keep it in a specific direction and then try it without up to your course okay let us continue i have a meeting in 5 minutes so maybe we should hurry so we will close this meeting so we will have a next meeting in 13 30 minutes so i will ask you to do some work the interface developer will work on the design of the remote controls start to have new idea which is hamad okay is the industrial designer no you are the industrial designer i am the technical designer i think that is the 1st id industrial designer and the 2nd one is the user interface designer and then the last one is marketing which is me ok so i am the 1st so for the user interface designer which is ahmed you are going to work on the technical functions of remote control and for the marketing manager which is bob you are going to try to find the user requirements for the roman control you will receive by email the specific instructions and by your by you personal coach so i see you in 30 minutes great okay thanks guys bye bye thank you let us go back to the real work 12nd" ]

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[ "i want to find our if our remote works me too 0 okay whoohoo here is the agenda for our last meeting after the opening we are going to have a prototype presentation then we are going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote then we are going to evaluate the product and i think the whole production process and then we are going to close it up and we have 40 minutes so let us get started 0 no let us have the prototype presentation kay you ready sure you or me y you read that stuff since you wrote it okay well since our materials are not exactly what we were going for i am just going to translate what this all means for you i will be the vanna the base is going to be gunmetal gray which is what we had decided and it is going to be plastic then there is the latex cover which is what you see as red because it can be replaceable we just kinda went with the color right and then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue almost see through it is just sort of a very pale blue and a light up yellow that is nice yeah the whole thing lights up if you press any button rather than it just that one button will light up good and then at the bottom we have our logo bright yellow sort of design with the r r which will actually look like our logo great and then on the side you have the buttons they are one button but they kind of push up and down okay i do not think they are scrolling no they are just buttons right yeah and then yeah the buttons on off switch will be here and as you have noticed on our prototype they have ended up with a curvature kind of by concave sort of thing except for you know can not see underneath yeah so i am hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that because they are very nice to stock you know stick your finger in yeah the 2 squared buttons are are 2 probably least used menu thumb shaped mute and then these are the numbers so our channel and our volume will be on either side yeah and then the last thing is just that it will be black labeling on top just which we did not do okay and did you determine the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand is it going to be a single or a double i would say a single single single single sounds good cause it is not big enough to really constitute a double yeah right yeah it is only actually the size of my hand great great i think you did an awesome job yeah i think it is a beautiful it is beautiful and it is everything that we discussed yeah good job you guys good job 0 thank you whoohoo those are really good alright what is next in our agenda we are going to discuss the evaluation criteria and that is with courtney okay it is a powerpoint presentation i do not really know exactly what we should talk about it is under evaluation right alright so these are the criteria we are going to ask is it easy to use is it fashionable yeah i guess we should write these down so we can reference them feel good meaning what like does it feel good like yeah physically physically okay right sqi that is just for current trend right it does not really count you guys yeah it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it yeah but it is so we do have removable covers right right yes yeah well then that is covered and so we n k everybody have that kay i will wait yeah she has got it it is good yeah yeah okay so we are using the criteria for a 7 point scale and so we need to discuss how we feel it falls within this range so for easy to use do we feel it is very easy to use are we going to indi i say we individually rate what do you say true or false easy to use you guys yeah just orally why not we have okay okay easy to use i vote 6 0 wait that is false 02 okay i would say 2 as well yeah 2 2 hello we are great that is what i say okay fashionable one at the moment no no no i mean like no i think it is very fashionable me too very chic i thi i would give it a one okay one i give it a one i will give it a 2 because at the moment it is not looking that way well that is that is just like that is a clay it is a prototype 0 and ma it is a prototype right what do you think i do not think it is that fashionable i would give it like 3 or 4 well now i am okay so the average is about a 2 yeah it is a 2 but then i am not fashionable so 2 or 3 do not use my opinion 25 that is okay yeah neither are all 0 all the customers we have either does it feel good imagine since we obviously do not have that i feel like does it feel good the shape of it actually does and it is i it is very ergonomically designed it is going to be curved yeah it is going to be thicker yeah depth i think it feels good i think so too i will give it a 2 kay i will give it a one 2 what do you say i would say a 2 alright average is 2 okay is it technologically innovative 0 sorry i am taking over your job here 0 no it is fine you are i mean you are project manager go right ahead yeah i mean and it does it have voice i mean the phrase recognition on it yes right we were able to do it with that kind of chip 0 right the we could do it with the chip yes it was not we have no reflection of it on the prototype but that is because it is only 2 dimensions really and there is no way you can represent it on here yeah right y that was kay yeah so and we discussed that being included right then yes then i would well it is not what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative it well we don have the you know we can not say channel and it changes the channel channel 8 and it does not cover anything other then t v so i would probably give it a 3 right yeah okay even though it is for just a t v remote it is very advanced but it is just a t v remote yeah i would go for a 3 or 4 on that one so okay let us go for a 35 yeah i go 4 3 and an half alright and the last criteria is it is it squishy and fruity well yeah so i would give it a 2 well we have covered that with the trendy it is just trendy basically it is capable of being squishy and fruity sure capable 0 it is very capable of being squishy and fruity very capable okay and it is very important yeah kay there we go okay next so next so our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner and hopefully we will sell 1000000s good job team how did you get that in there what the slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie it does it it does that was good thanks very good alright let us go back to this no that is it oops okay so now we are moving on to finance okay i am going to show you an excel spreadsheet and we are going to fill it in together based on what components we are including in our remote and see if it is under €1250 if so we can proceed if not we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit kay so let me bring that up here we go alright it is not hand dynamo it is powered by battery so we give it a yep 2 number of components you plan to use do i just put quantity being one battery or yeah yeah kay but if it is a do you want to go for this is where we need to make a final call on if it is a lithium or do we want to go triple a s cause triple a s we are going to have t do more than one battery 0 let us just go for a lithium what do you say yeah let us let us do a lithium yeah it is i think i think the people who purchase this are going to be technologically right we are gon that is gon nologically advanced yeah okay down to the electronics section we are going to need this kind correct if we do the voice sensor so one of those yeah yep it is a single curved so one of those 0 what is that yeah that is correct yeah kay down here case material it is plastic we plastic plastic and special color and special color kay down here interface type we are going to have the integrated scroll scroll wheel no we do not have the scroll is not 0 those are just regular buttons but it is well that is the push button too right there buttons yeah but i so i this integrated scroll wheel or push button we are really having just push button interface okay so we can just go but will we w actually we will need 2 will not we one for the top and then one for the s one e for each side but it that just covers the type of button we are having because we are not doing a scroll on the side it is still push button 0 like the 29 means like you have both scrolls and push button push buttons okay right i think she is i think what courtney is talking about is do we need to put 2 here but we just have push but we do not have any scrolls like because there is like one interface right here and then because it is not going to be on the same plane when you press the button there is going to have to be additional signals on the sides right yeah so is that going to be an extra one on each side okay i do not know they might put us well let us just 2 interfaces is that what w should we s say let us call it th 2 or would it be 3 or 3 because of one on each side and one on top okay fine yeah i mean it is fine cause it comes out the same as 29 well less than 29 even okay okay and we are going to button supplements the buttons are no okay they are a special color they are they are a special form cause they are indented are they 0 right and then s yeah and they are a special material well we are under cost then alright we are over no we are under grand we are under 125 is our limit okay 0 i see we have got 112 so we can go to production alright we can go to i dunno what i just did okay now we are going to talk about the project process and whether or not we are satisfied with the whole process and the result did we have a lot of room for creativity did we have a lot of room for individual leadership teamwork and the means meaning the technology that we used to produce our little guy there and if we found any new ideas now question is how do we do this go back i think we just discuss it discuss sure previous alright who want who would like to go 1st we think we got stifled for cri creativity by the company itself in restricting us only to using a t v remote initially we did not have a whiteboard yeah 0 that is true and no internet yeah no yeah that is a good point cause i would forgotten that that was not our decision yeah and how did you feel about the whole the whole process though 0 overall i mean i thought we did a good job like we got to choose basically we had control over minus it being just merely a t v remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it right and we got say over what how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable which i kind of like we yep and we are a fashion forward technology company right you know it what about the teamwork aspect how did you guys enjoy making the model the prototype yeah i think we did well i think ya did did you work well together in there and kay yep well no there was there was scratching and fighting but no minus that one fight gouges yeah 0 my god and we have all been a pretty congenial team here i think yeah we had not had any ma fallings out i mean minus you guys being wha what is it the survey annoying or what is it irritating irritating irritating yeah irritating wow that is a it is definitely a strong one okay the means the whiteboard did not work and no internet yeah yeah i have to knock that one down a couple notches a and our friend here really feels strongly about the internet yeah and no internet misses i do and the digital the digital pens were they were pretty cool there is so much available like it is information yeah digital pens i really appreciated those yeah they were fine yeah they were fun even though i am not really sure what i could do with them but they are awesome the use of the laptops for receiving everything it was wireless too so yeah right laptops are extremely handy wireless and these things whoa and that we have a shared network where we can put all of the yeah and let us not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to wear yeah and big brother big brother yeah kay have we found any new ideas through this process we are really going to sell this ta da for something that looks cool and also has what i want it to b do technologically yeah and that is your right brain taking over w wanting the artistic the fashionable the hip you know if we all just went out and bought useful things i do not think i mean that is not what technology well that is why i do not like macs or apples just cause i look at it and i know it is probably a very good computer but i look at it and i am taken back to elementary school cause they look the same they look like they did when i was in elementary school and that is so old fashioned to me yeah yeah cause they are pretty and just like the toronto district school would only use his macs with their kids yeah exactly so i associate them with like really low tech really cheap bad yeah just the mac font bothers me even yeah yeah but i do like ipods go figure yeah no ipods they want all those words for presentation even the plugs yeah well i ipods are now quite trendy and they come in different colors colors exactly yeah i mean how many people went out and bough a nokia phone back when we were like in high school just so they could get the changeable face plates 0 yeah everybody okay mine is amber anyway so that is definitely at work not me but the my but my one issue is just like the whole it is for t v only i did not have a phone til university 0 i was like who is going to buy a remote just for the t v unless they have lost theirs look at it yeah that is a piece of work fashionable chic people will you are kidding wow no no marketing director says yeah fashionable people will buy it no marketing has to actually create the desire for it 0 i will create desire that is okay we can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met this will help them find the one ri they will be sexy with it we could have like an adam and eve type commercial and that is the fig leaf that is right 0 right and so the serpent says use our remote that will sell there you go marketing let you loose yeah alright yeah no yeah okay we are going to wrap this up now the costs are within the budget we evaluated the project and now we are going to complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary and then we are going to have a big giant party apparently according to this so whoohoo alright thank you team you did a great job it was lovely working with you margaritas for everyone good you too yay thanks to the project leader now we know w" ]

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[ "i want to find out if our remote works me too 0 so i will do what do here is the agenda for our last meeting after the opening we are going to have a prototype presentation then we are going to have a prototype presentation discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote then we are going to evaluate the product and i think the whole production process and then we are going to close it up and we have 40 minutes so 0 no let us have a project presentation okay ready sure you or me you read that stuff since you wrote it well since i will be the bina materials are not exactly what what we were going for i am just going to translate what this all means for you the base is going to be gun metal gray which is what we have decided it is going to be plastic then there is the latex cover which is what you see as red because it can be replaceable we just kind of went with the color and then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top and the buttons will be a much lighter blue almost see through it is just sort of a very pale blue and a light up yellow and the whole thing lights up if you press any button rather than just that one button will light up and then at the bottom we have our logo bright yellow sort of design with the rr which will actually look like our logo great and then on the side you have the buttons and there are one button but they kind of push up and down okay i do not think they are scrolling no it is just buttons right yeah and then yeah the buttons on off switch will be here here and as you have noticed on our prototype they have ended up with a curvature kind of by concave sort of thing except for you know you can not see it underneath so i am hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that because they are very nice to stock you know stick your finger right the 2 squared buttons are 2 probably least used menu mute and then these are the numbers so our channel and our volume will be on either side and then the last thing is just that it will be black labeling on top and did you determine the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand is it going to be a single or a double i would say a single single single sounds good because it is not big enough to really constitute a double yeah it is only actually the size of my hand great great i think you did an awesome time yeah i think it is beautiful it is beautiful it is everything that we discussed yeah good job you guys good job that is really good all right what is next in our agenda we are going to discuss the evaluation criteria and that is with courtney okay that is a powerpoint presentation i do not really know exactly what we should talk about it is under evaluation right all right so these are the criteria we are going to ask is it easy to use is it fashionable yeah i guess we should write these down so we can reference them feel good meaning what like does it feel good physically yeah physically that is just for current trend it does not really count you guys it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it yeah but so we do have removable covers right yes yeah and so we can everybody have that i will wait yeah she has got it yeah yeah okay so we are using the criteria for a sub point scale and so we need to discuss how we feel it falls within this range so for easy to use do we feel it is very easy to use are we going to do i say we individually right what do you just orally why not we have okay easy to use i vote 6 wait that is false 02 okay i would say 2 as well 2 that is what i say hello we are great okay fashionable at the moment no no i mean like no i think it is very fashionable me too very chic i would give it a one one i will give it a 2 because at the moment it is not looking that way well that is just like that is a clay it is a prototype what do you think i do not know if that fast while i will give it like 3 or 4 okay so the average is about a 2 yeah it is a 2 then i am not fashionable 2 or 3 25 that is okay yeah now we are all the customers we have does it feel good imagine since we obviously do not have that the shape of it actually does and it is it is very ergonomically designed it is going to be curved yeah that is going to be thicker depth i think it feels good i think so too i will give it a 2 okay 2 i will give it a one what you say i would say 2 i right an average is 2 is it is it technologically innovative 0 sorry i am taking a job 0 no it is fine you are your project manager yeah i mean and it does it have voice i mean the phrase recognition on it yes right we were able to do it with that kind of chip we could do it with the chip yes it was not we had no reflection of it on the prototype but that is because it is only 2 dimensions and we discussed that yeah so then yes then i would well it does not what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative well we do not have the you know we can not say channel it changes the channel and it does not cover anything other than tv so i would probably give it a 3 yeah okay even though it is for just a tv it is very advanced but it is just a tv remote yeah i would go for a 3 or 4 on that one so okay let us go for 353 now all right and the last criteria is it is it squishy and fruity well we have covered that with these trendy basically yeah so i would give it a 2 it is capable of being 0 it is very very capable of being squishy and fruity okay and it is very important okay here we go okay next next so marma model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner and hopefully we will sell 1000000s good jump team how did you get that in there what slightly resembling a giant delicious crust it does that was good thanks very good all right let us go back to this no that is it oops okay so now we are moving on to finance i am going to show you an excel spreadsheet and we are going to fill it in together based on what components we are including in our remote and see if it is under $1250 if so we can proceed if not we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit okay so let me bring that up here we go all right it is not a hand on it is powered by battery yep so we give it a number of components you plan to use do i just put quantity being one battery or yeah yeah okay but if it is a do you want to go for this is where we need to make the final call and if it is lithium or we want to go triple a is because aaa is we are going to have to do more than one battery 0 let us just go for lithium what do you say yeah yeah let us do lithium i think the people who purchase this are going to be technologically right yeah okay down to the electronics section we are going to need this kind correct if you do the voice sensor so one of those it is a single curve so one of those 0 what is that yeah that is correct okay down here case material plastic and special color okay down here interface type we are going to have the integrated scroll scroll wheel is not 0 those are just regular but that is the push button too right there yeah this integrated scroll wheel or push button we are really having just push button interface okay so we can just go but will we actually we will need 2 will not we one for the top and then one for this one for this one for each for each for but that just covers the type of button we are having because we are not doing a scroll on the side it is still push button like that 29 means like you have both scrolls and push button push button right i think what courtney is talking about is do we need to put 2 here because there is like one interface right here and then because it is not going to be on the same plane when you press the button there is going to have to be additional signals on the sides so is that going to be an extra one on each side i do not know that might put us well let us just is that one should we use 2 or 3 because one at each side and one on top i mean it is fine because it comes out the same as 29 we are less than 29 even okay and we are going to button supplements the buttons are not they are special color okay they are a special form because they are indented 0 right and there is special material yeah well we are under costs then we are over no we are under 125 is our limit we have got 112 so we can go to production we can go to okay we can go to and whether or not we are satisfied with the whole process and the whole process and the result did we have a lot of room for creativity creativity that we have a lot of room for individual leadership teamwork and the means meaning technology that we use to produce our little guide there and if we found any new ideas now the question is how do we do this go back i think we just discuss it discuss sure all right who would like to go 1st i think we got stifled for creativity by the company by the company itself in restricting us only to using a tv remote initially yeah 0 that is true and no internet yeah no yeah that is a good point because i have forgotten that that was not our decision yeah and how did you feel about the whole process though 0 overall i mean i thought we did a good job we got to choose basically a control over minus it being just mailing a tv remote got to choose what we wanted to do with it right and we got say over how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable which i kind of and more fashionable technology company yep so we knew it what about the teamwork aspect how did you guys enjoy making the model the prototype i think we did i think you did did you work well together in there well no there was scratching it fight 0 my and we have all been a pretty congenial team here i think we have had made fun i mean what is it the survey annoying or what is irritating irritating yeah wow that is a it is definitely a strong one okay the means the white board did not work yeah no internet i have to knock that one down a couple of inches yeah no internet and her friend here really feel strongly about the internet i do there is so much available the digital pens yeah digital pens they were pretty cool they were fun they were fun even though i am not really sure what i could do with them but they are awesome the use of the laptops for receiving everything right laptops are wireless too wireless and that we have a shared network where we can put all of them and let us not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to where and big brother big brother yeah okay have we found any new ideas through this process we are really going to sell this tadda for something that looks cool and also has what i want it to do technologically and that is your right brain taking over wanting the artistic the fashionable the hip you know if we all just went out and bought useful things i do not think i mean that is now that is why i do not like a macs or apple it is because i look at it i know it is probably a very good computer but i look at it and i am taking back to elementary school because they look the same they look like they did when i was in elementary school and that is so old trash they are pretty and just like the toronto district school ward only uses macs with their kids exactly so i associate them with like really low tech really cheap just the mac font bothers me yeah but i do like ipods go figure yeah no ipods they want all those words for because they should be in the ones well ipods are now quite trendy they come in different colors exactly i mean how many people went out and bought a nokia phone back when we were like in high school just they could get the changeable face plates 0 yeah everybody anyway so that is definitely work but my one issue is just like the whole it is for tv only i was like who is going to buy a remote just for the tv unless they have lost theirs look at it that is a fashion of work you do not well marketing director says yeah fashional people we have to actually create the desire for it 0 i will create desire that is okay we can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met this would help them find the one they will be sexy with it we can have like an adam and eve type commercial and that is the fig leaf 0 right that will sell and so the serpent says use our remote yeah yeah no okay we are going to wrap this up now the costs are within the budget we evaluated the project and now we are going to complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary and then we are going to have a big giant party apparently for to this so thank you team you did a great job it was lovely working with you you too yay thanks to the project leader now we know we are" ]

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[ "hello again hi hello hey project manager project manager i have something to tell you yeah i have a little problems with my laptop okay and s s s so i had a little less time to complete okay no a little problem big problem i just thought it did not work anymore what was it problem the laptop the entire windows it hang hung it it hung ha ha 0 project manager yes you are our project manager yes your project manager welcome to the conceptual design meeting for real reaction hello again it is the same as the last time also this time there will be 3 presentations and we must reach a decision on the remote control concepts and at the end i when i finish it off i have some input from a master class i visited information during lunch yeah master he is the master yeah master of the the the the the concepts on we where we must reach a decision on our from are of 2 sorts components concepts and user interface concepts the 1st one is really about the the the the the total package with well we have decided to do a do the with a touch screen that must be a case around it so it will not be as breakable how how about the energy can you can you reload it or just have batteries which you must exchange the user interface concept with the type and the the supplements so where to put what button and i would say jans can you begin yeah sure okay at the end i will take notes and at the end of the minutes will be at the shared folder okay let me see i think it is this one ha wow right well i will be talking about the components what i did was i reviewed previously used items by 22 different age groups below 45 and above and i just watch what the differences are and i checked well what what d do we want and how can we d aim a at the target group well what i found was that a senior i am sorry senior citizens ye ah it is it is okay okay go on they well they like more the they like the traditional materials like wood and and such more wood and chrome and they like straightforward shapes they they they they like luxurious styles where whereas the young and dynamic they like a more soft materials think of the teletubbies for instance soft and fluffy and colorful and well shapes are curved and round y y you get the picture and they like sports and gaming and that gives them the vitality so w well firs yes 11 little question about the the material yeah a soft material for a remote control no i will i will get to that okay you you will see yeah yeah thank you well f 1st off let us start start with the energy w i i had a choice between a few different sources but the 2 basic sources that i found were the best possible were the battery versus kinetic kinetic that is when you move something then it gets energy i figured well that is ki kinda high tech when when you have a remote control that well when you pick it up it has power that would be actually very nice i figured 0 well we could also use a battery that is a bit yeah but when the power gets low you have to shake it or something yeah yeah yeah you c just you have to shake it around a little bit and and then then it d then it has some more energy well y you could just go for a battery or you can go for both 0 have you considered the option of using a solar panel yeah i actually did but the thing is about solar panel is you have to have l light well sunlight preferably w nah and you you could you could use normal light but you would not get the same amount of energy that you would from a battery or something yeah for ultimate b n use of solar panels you could actually use you could use solar panels but you ha you would have to implement them into the remote control leaving you a bit less space for the interface yeah yeah it is too less space so so i i it it wo what is actually i i c just in f i have figured it out that well seeing that you will always be within the l distance of t v and the from t v there comes a a a whole bunch of light so it would actually power itself from a t v yeah but well you just take up all the space and you would not have the full amount of power actually used okay but you prefer kinetic so i i prefer kinetic because it is well the costs are not that much higher okay and ju just a bit more high tech than than a normal battery i mean if yeah but you do not move a a remote control too much no but d well you pick it up and you press buttons and y well you and that is enough to to keep the energy level yeah well actually it is okay and it it if it is not you just shake it a bit and and add add with power up again yeah but what l what jarek said you could you could use a battery that you would just keep it on the recharging whenever it moves and for rest you would just add juice on the battery okay and when the battery does not work i usually shake it too so like slamming on it exactly thank you tim it is exactly the same and so that well f furthermore you you we checked the cases we have different options concerning the cases you ha i you sim you simply add a basic standard model it was kind of square and i figured that is a bit boring so you you we could go for the single curved or the double curved single curve it is just a well you know it is just a nice curve or but but you could go in a in an double curves and that is like several different dimensions that gives you an whole new effec yeah dynamic dynamic look yeah that gives you a younger and more high tech look i f i figured but that we will discuss later but are you going to draw it what the yeah you want me to draw in 3 d th th yeah yeah yeah i c i can not imagine yeah i ca i ca i could i could show you i can not imagine how how how it looks like i could show you well let us say y you yeah let us say that is your standard design yeah that is a bit your d standard design but you could actually go like something like this and then in 3 d effect you could go so y you you just yeah this is a this bit difficulty in i did not take a major in art so but but you could have a whole new the back back the the the depth 0 okay you could you could just play around a bit with okay you you do not have to use standard 0 okay a little artistic yeah you could y it leaves more space for creativity okay okay that might be an idea but just a well furthermore well plastic versus rubber you we could choose what what is better plastic or rubber i i ch prefer rubber because it feels yeah it is soft yeah it is soft and it is that i like soft that is the material the younger people want aint it yeah yeah i mean plastic is plastic also has that cheap feeling to it like plastic your your i usually associate plastic with something that is cheap that is maybe just me but we could 0 talk about it later furthermore buttons traditional or a touch screen well we discussed it in a previous meeting so i figured i will just leave it at the l c d and chip set well if we are going to use traditional buttons we could go with a simple chip set but if we decide to go on a n l c d screen we would use an we have to use an a advanced chip set and that would bring the necessary costs with with it so that is something we th have to keep in mind if it is not manageable budget wise we would have to go over to to sim to simple buttons well i think we are going to sell tell 10000000s of them so i bet a big company in korea or taiwan like samsung can give us a big discount on the chips so yeah yeah yeah probably u usually chips are are not more expensive than one yeah probably but but yeah that is that is that should not should not be that big a issue so that that should not be a real issue i think i will i will i will just add i put a big summary here so we could discuss it a bit what i what are your ideas concerning battery versus kinetic i think you should use kinetic as a back up yeah you you you should we should a combination yeah a combination a combination yeah you use the battery and w charge it up with kinetic when you pick it up it charges up yeah like an aku yeah acu yeah yeah yeah i know okay yeah just like the watch from seiko well yeah psycho kinetic yeah i con exactly yeah what what do you think yeah you agree i i i would prefer both too yeah both combine them yeah combine them okay well that would bring the m m some more costs but i mean the okay who cares right that is the project manager is problem buy a ¢50 battery and of course ¢50 yeah well ¢50 why does not and then we have single curved versus double curved that well maybe i have something in my presentation to to cope with that okay no we will we will just wait and plastic versus rubber rubber any ideas rubber rubber yeah is not possible to make combination with kind of rubber is or bendable remotes where you have got a you or do you think it rubber casing yeah i figured it will be m rather than hard nah rubber c this is a casing yeah rather hard rubber casing because well if you use an d a touch screen it is just a casing around it so you could go for plastic but i figured yeah yeah well d maybe i can ask it right now the question that i have i i i would choose rubber is it possible of is it necessary to make a touch screen square it is not i think yeah well m i do not know well i think that touch screens are generally square no yeah yeah but it is the case you put around it that makes the shape we are we put fashion in electronics so maybe we can that is not yeah okay but if you have a square l c d screen yeah and you put a case around it that has like bulbs or that that covers part of the l c d screen yeah that would cover it that that that would solve the problem that is it is custom customisable and 0 yeah okay i i get it yeah so so so what are the opinions rubber or plastic i i i prefer rubber yeah me too me too okay yeah you too yeah you sure you you you seemed to hesitate a bit that is good well as long a as long as it is it is it is firm and you do not it is not bendable or something i th i think that goes too far yeah yeah it it should not it should not flop over when you hold it in your hand no okay 0 that that that that is going to the the chip set will hold it firm in place and and and and a l c d screen also okay it might even bounce back when you drop it on the floor yeah it m might it might okay tra traditional versus l c d well i figured we we all set on that and then also the simple versus advanced well i figure if we go for l l c d we we should have the advanced yeah yeah so that should not be a problem okay well that is my thank you you are welcome can i do my thing yeah it do your thing tim do your thing bring it on expert map okay last week i went to paris and milan for some trend watching for marketing our research and development department and i went to paris and milan in paris and milan we asked different people differing in age and in income the amount of money to spend what they like in design and material nowadays findings our main audience so that is people below 40 prefer the following at 1st the colors of fruit very basic colors like janus explained fresh colors green red strawberry red yellow banana yellow considering material yeah they like spongy material like yeah a sponge ball spongeball like a s soft material janus m mentioned it also yeah i think he did some some findings himself well the teletubbies sh you wer you were not in paris okay like this like big g flashy colors flashy yeah fresh it is nice i think okay our secondary audience people above 40 a 40 years in age they like the dark traditional colors yeah materials like wood that yeah but wood is not a not a material you which you build a a remote control of well you could no n j just j just a w you you could yeah but never seen one it will float well no okay but just just a wooden look case 0 a wooden look yeah yeah like you have those fake fake panels on the floor tables okay the that is not wood anyway but okay but that is our secondary audience yeah so we decided to take yeah the people below 40 yeah so that this does not apply kay the 3rd there are some overall thoughts about new remote controls they have to look fancy they should be technological in innovative that means there have to be fancy things in and easy to use but that is common my personal preferences we have to aim at a mu at the main audience and therefore use fresh colors would you prefer that you can choose the color of your remote control or i will i will come to that in a 2nd point okay here think about removable covers as seen in mobile telephon telephone market okay to customize your own remote control like the nokia the removable covers just put a red on it and go to the shop and buy a green one yeah okay a 3rd material being used could well be stuff like rubber 2 advantages it fits within the current market trends and it adds safety to your remote when you drop it so to come back to your question i think and the people in milan and paris also think that the rubber should be pretty hard like seen on regular mobile phones actually they have a lot in common the phones and the well i actually saw a phone that you could use as a remote so yeah yeah ah yeah maybe you could use your remote as a phone okay hey hey that might be a next step there are numbers on it so yeah exactly in my 2nd sheet of personal preferences we have to reconsider the speech function recognition it is very innovative innovative so that you say s p s s and it goes to okay yeah like something you you can see that the market is just screaming for new technologies like speak speech recognition and stuff but we have to keep the cost in in mind but it 1250 yeah it it can be very expensive kay 2nd building games like snake or tetris to amuse the younger users also the link with mobile phones yeah but you do not use that th games when you watching television i think no but no okay well yeah but you do not use games when you are d when you are making a telephone call it is just the same when your parents are watching some boring program you can take the remote and do something else yeah yeah okay when you are at college take it you take your remote with you to school no you take your remote control with you you al you also take t you take your ipac and go play games yeah yeah yeah well i do that but okay and and 3rd i stick with it the log in functionality with the slogan take parental control to a new dimension very nice ooh that is it s great in okay the interface contents well that is a just simple powerpoint mock up i want to m make it more as dynamic for you so i will draw there but the main concept is take one big touch screen always display the primary buttons clear and visible maybe even li like this with u uses of a lot of space and make the menu structure changeable so if you press system that is yeah well m multiple system options can maybe 5 or 10 or or one can fit in or maybe even a step further when you want to t have some other options that are not programmable with one horizontal button and other buttons can may be displayed here if that is necessary and well how do do we want to look at f yeah does a remote look well it is you have got to hold it in one hand so the middle like all remotes have to be in a little bit small so you can put it in inside your hands and some remotes you can use with your thumb but i think that is too difficult for this one so you can make it s a little broader yeah and here and maybe use your thumb on the on the main buttons and use your other hands on the menu structure so here are going to be the program buttons 1234 et cetera and the the volume control and program control maybe and down here i added this could be one big l c d the menu structure so you can use it in in this way one thing you have got to keep in mind keep the remote clear of too much functions at the same time know that if you are changing the menu structure here and well i still believe you should keep displaying the buttons but if you are programming the color of the t v do not display 20 other options that are possible just keep it as simple as as possible and do not use too many levels do not have to select a screen 1st and then brightness and then color and un +and push +20 times but just the just in one button if possible and well you kn you all know the t v levels channel 12 and when you get to n to to 10 ye and want to go back well you have a problem just m most most modern t v s you you press 10 and it goes to 10 and else to one and through after that so the s a button less and things like teletext put them in the menu things like yeah yeah what do you think about a back and forth come up button yeah yeah w yeah i i find i must trying to tell it l like in internet explorer is volume +and minus and this is program plus and minus yeah okay but does it that is for going from 4 to 5 yes but if you go from 2 to 8 and you want or if you are watching studio sports on on 17 and your wife is watching some soap on 2 well yes i think that is a good idea yeah and on 2 that you can switch switch easy but well m my preference would to be put it in the menu structure yeah it is yeah and if you are using that button a lot of times well of course the menu will still be displayed on the screen you just do not have to play games in between but if you are really switching between 2 channels you will not have time to d use the other options no yeah already already told that that is it yeah that is my conclusion okay 0 okay i think we can discuss a little about the the 3 kind of revolutionary things tim came with the parental control the games and the voice recognition there is n not too much decision on that one so i think that parental control is a good function to to put in the remote i do not know how you think about it yeah well i agree just put it in the menu structure somewhere yeah yeah system properties parental control yeah but what i see how i see it is you put it on the the remote and then you have like a windows log on screen with parents children yeah something like that yeah w well yeah and w when you want to use the parents option you have to it it has to be fast you do not want to to go down and watch the news at 80 clock and turn it on and wait 20 seconds for for the log on screen and then remember your code and all kinds of settings yeah ok no but i think most people find it much more important that their children do not watch sex or violence on the television and wait 10 or 15 seconds longer so they can finally watch it because of that why you c may use like when there is x p a simple log on d you just push one or 2 or 3 yeah yeah yeah yeah pu push parents and if you push parents then yeah that then then then you have to go to 3 digit log in to log in yeah and if you puts a ye like 213 huh yeah and it is in and if you w you push p children you do not have to log in but you can only watch children is channels or okay it automatically goes yeah yeah yeah well i do not know if it is worth the time and effort we are going to spend on it because well it is a simple function but it is going to take a lot of resources and a lot of time to programming it because you will have to start working with the profiles and such and i am not sure if it is actually worth investing that much time and effort into it i do not know what well i think that is a b there is a big market for it because you yeah yeah you read many times in magazines same kind of stuff and you heard on the news that that he yeah v violent t v they believe that children are influenced by the television and well we are we are aiming to below 40 years but there are a lot of people will below 40 who have children in young age who who want to not watch violent or yeah well maybe some idea on that yeah just make through a remote as it is but make an option to insert profiles yeah cause if my grandad would buy this remote he would not want to bother with all all the all the things to do yeah of course yeah just make it an option in menu ins install powerful profiles or something yeah yeah yeah that is a that is a better idea yeah w it just has to be w when it is deliver out of the store it has to be just simple and plain yeah but if you want to install it personally yeah okay if i got kids and i could choose between 2 remote controls one w with parent control and one without and i would would buy the one with yeah with and one without yeah b well still some question i have about how to incorporate those ones i th yeah you are thinking about some channels they cannot see but well i i when i think 0 yeah for the f for all the standard channels and only for maybe after 100 clock in the evening violent films and movies will come and maybe maybe some some timing will be needed instead of of channels yeah because if you are watching i do not know you are in the at day cartoons will come up m on maybe friday night i do not know yeah maybe it can work with show view you you can control your video recorder with show view when you tick in a number it will start and end recording but maybe there is some option that that t the kind of show view numbers are violent and that they are blocked out yeah the disadvantage vantage is that someone will has to send all the show view numbers of the programs that they remotes and edit it all yeah that is true yeah will have to decide yeah but yeah but that is not possible that is not possible yeah but well if you want to i i i if we in incorporate the parental control let us say we do and and well whatever cho child just goes up to the t v and presses up for instance yeah well nob nobody is stopping the child from well checking the channel well yeah you could say if parental control is only it it will go from 14 to 16 with the page up then but but that well i am not sure because for that to happen you d you will have to receive a signal from the remote control yeah so it would yeah have to be constant constant signaling what m what may be better is to incorporate an a separate device that that you can program with the remote control and that provides parental control for instance and that is just an optional device so there is n that is there is besides the remote control you will have a separate i would not put it in an optional device that that then then then it becomes too much i think yeah if we do it we we must do it in a kind of ways that like a profile yeah and a parent profile and a family profile and otherwise yeah on a separate menu option and and you know w when you install another device children can still go up to the t v p pop open the thing and and and g yeah yeah that is true go to a channel that is true but at same instant same happens when you have remote control yeah yeah of course so but but only difference is the the people buying the remote control will now get the f added feature of parental control and those people would not necessary want it yeah ah it is yeah so you you would be yeah okay but it is just an an added feature feature yeah yeah okay and what do you guys think of the games in the voice recognition i personally think that that becomes too much yeah well yeah i it is more like it gets you to the functionality but a mail too from management that it is very popular to use voice recon recognition yeah but i do not think when you are watching t v hearing loud noises from the t v someone screaming one and you f the channel switches yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like f voice recognition is too much i think yeah but games okay and games it does not yeah i can see games happening w you can put it on chip anyway so yeah yeah that that does not c that does not co as long as it is is not a primary feature of the remote but that would yeah that that does not cost a lot of extra resources i think okay so that will that that that must be in it you think yeah that will be nice okay so the games are in it the voice recognition are not and the parental control are optional in optional yeah it is it is in it but too ma i i think so but but how we do it yeah well i think also it is a good idea buts very difficult to incorporate so we should make it too complex is t some menu function you choose parental control and maybe 4 files will emerge from menu where put it on okay yeah but how how it is going to work will f be a problem yeah okay but will there like the 1st idea from you can buy it without and with parental contr control or are we going to put it in and just well ye i i think best would be to put it in and make it an menu option to put yeah to put it in always you can put on yeah yeah and you can just s when you buy it you can select personal preference parental control on and the password or something yeah well i do not know i i figure if you had 2 different remotes you could bo choose one with well a receiver in it so you could actually easily build in parental control but it would would be more expensive so a and that that way you could make cheap model and a expensive model could ma make the simple model and the deluxe model for instance 0 it is a p yeah yeah but t v s are not capable of sending yes they are yeah yeah i thought they were just yeah you yo yeah but most often not yeah you you have some t v s any a able to receive yeah some but yeah that is true that is true well maybe you just have to restrict it to what programs where the parent says you cannot watch channel 7 9 and 10 and you cannot watch all channels after 100 clock yeah and there is just some little clock in the remote well yeah you could you could easily you could easily you could easily to the mote control yeah j just some rules yeah but you still have the problem about the television itself no no it is very simple there th i h i have seen some of remotes who have a clock in it yeah yeah yeah so the remote does does not transmit when it is after 12 clock yeah okay but on the t v yeah at least my t v is a is a compartment which you can press yeah and there are buttons behind it which you can use if you d if you do not if you do not have a yeah yeah yeah well that is to put it very blunt that is not our problem just have the parents buy some glue and it is not not a part of the remote yeah yeah yeah of course yeah that is true yeah that is true you have to f yeah yeah you could you could you could go like that that would actually make things a lot more easy or make it ourselves very diffic you could just blame it on television and make it their problem yeah yeah yeah yeah i figured i figure we could do that yeah yeah sure okay or j yeah i am not sure what marketing thinks about it but ah i have to consult my legal advisor about it okay so i think we have decided on the things that from janus the energy the combination between battery and kinetic the case will be double curved and rubber in a fr flashy fruity color that with cover is removable the buttons will be touch screen but there may not be too many buttons and in the the menu structure there must not to be 5 minutes to go too too many levels and it must be easy to use the parental control will be incorporated but it must be not too complex and the games are in it so okay i think we have we have decided okay consensus little more 0 0 0 i i have one thing left yeah maybe for jerome yeah i am listening the views maybe it is handy to build in an expert view and a simple view like a like a moat or s or something yeah yeah well like at in the experts view you have a lot of more buttons user profile yeah but you have that in the what i was thinking about is just a menu structure when you do not use it is simple yeah yeah and when you push system properties entire list pops up with e ev all kind of f stuff you can program you use the yeah yeah okay it is already incorporated a little in that concept fairly enough yeah well yeah you you could actually build in a function that you can program it yourself for the more advanced users yeah wh which buttons you like or not yeah which buttons do you want to in it because you can you can like build in a back forward button and some po somebody would just want to watch 2 channels yeah yeah just leave the other numbers away okay yeah you could you could m have people want want that we take it to the other meeting okay okay i have a little w little chat to do and then we finish go on ah yeah sure a little chat i went to a master class and 2 things are are can come in handy for us 1st thing is we talked about knowledge management knowledge engineering and the fact that that that the idea of knowledge sharing and learning knowledge from other companies is like that it is it is very hot at the moment so it is it is mostly for the management expert to to look what other marketing or did i said management marketing management 0 just talking about myself yeah that is my function to okay w go on what other companies had to also with the the the the marketing campaign when they put on a newer remote just some yeah import export and another one som some bench marker they are a ha they are at yeah benchmarking that is the word i saw i could not okay another thing is there were there there was a survey and it came out that people like to buy things from a single large provider instead of those who are partnering with us so we must we must bring it as if real reaction is is big company a trustful company and it has m how i know a marketing name for our product okay r th r to the 3rd power r 3 real reaction remote i had a i had another idea to put the whole the whole idea of real reaction and a single brand and that kind of thing 0 when you put on remote you see a kind of a just like when you telephone you see a little animation logo bling yeah real reaction remote yeah and with the with the with the motto we put fashion in electronics and then you go yeah yeah okay but it has to be like a split 2nd because you have to put in a code also and the yeah well you can show somebody a logo for 5 seconds they will still remember it yeah yeah and it it l linger on every time you see it but w th the idea from this thing is that we must present it as a as we are a a single large provider who will stand on our own well if you if you have the l l c d screen you can you can have a small logo i at the bottom yeah and it could just stay there that spins around like all the time yep yeah yeah that spins around or something very annoying also also but we we are it it is just like a globe in internet explorer yeah yeah y yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah something like that okay but think about that kind of things a small icon yeah i it is ok for f that is what they said in the master class okay 0 for the next meeting right n next meeting starts in 30 minutes who so maybe you can go to paris and milan once again who who gave you the master class the master class ronald betenberg franz mehler is okay thanks very special next session idea that you the the industrial development center and user interface will work together on a prototype and will drawing it on the smartboard so that is a kinda new thing ah and the marketing expert will will ke he will be keeping busy with the product evaluation but the most specific instructions will be sent to you by email so we are going to work together right now stay here and yeah the well dids this what i what i heard i in the master class not in the master class yeah so you just wait for the specific instructions and but i think it was a very very good session gentlemen p ah no new email definitely me too i will thank you all okay well thank you too thank you thank you very much and thank you too lord give me a good evaluation yeah kay guys lot of success huh you wish m aye see you cheers cheers see you in a half hour hey but keep an eye on your laptops for a real yeah i am not sure if we we because i saw something about individual actions yeah but th there is there is still the my instructions that you will work together yeah here or that is not my problem yeah if you got a no bye bye well yeah so stupid manager the project 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[ "hello again hi hi project manager i am project manager i have something to tell you i had a little problems with my laptop okay so i had a little less time to complete okay a little forward a little bit more what was it it did not work anymore the laptop the entire windows it hung project manager yes your project manager your project manager welcome to the conceptual design meeting for real reaction hello again it is the same as the last time also this time there will be 3 presentations and we must reach a decision on the remote control concepts and at the end when i finish it off i have some info from a master class i have visited as some information doing learning master he is the master the concepts on where we must reach a decision on are from are of 2 sorts component concepts and user interface concepts the 1st one is really about the total package with well we have decided to do it decided to do it with the touchscreen but it must be a case around it so it will not be as breakable how about the energy can you reload it or just berries which you must exchange the user interface concept with the type and the supplement so where to put what button and i would say janice can you begin yeah sure okay at the end i will take notes okay at the end the minutes will be at the shared folder let me see i think it is this one ha wow right well i will be talking about the components what i did was i did was i did reviewed previously used items by 2 different age groups below 45 and above and i just watched what the differences are and checked well what do we want and how can we aim at the target group well what i found was that senior citizens i am sorry it is okay they like more the traditional materials like wood and such more wood and chrome and they like straightforward shapes they like luxurious styles whereas the young and dynamic they like more soft materials think of the telitubbies for instance soft and fluffy and colorful and well shapes are curved and round shapes are curved and round you get the picture and that they like sports and gaming and it gives them vitality so well one little question about the material yeah a soft material for a remote control no i will get to that you will see yeah thank you well 1st off let us start with the energy i had a choice between a few different sources but the 2 basic sources that i found were the best possible with a battery versus kinetic when you move something then it gets energy i figured that is kind of high tech when you have remote control when you pick it up it has power that would be actually very nice i figured but we could also use a battery that is when the power gets low you have to shake it or something yeah you just have to shake it around and then it then it has some more energy well you could just go for a battery or you can go for both have you considered the option of using a solar panel yeah i actually did but the thing is about solar panels is you have to have light sunlight preferably you could use normal light but you would not get the same amount of energy that you would from a battery or something for ultimate use of a solar panels you could actually use you could actually use use you could use solar panels but you would have to implement them into the remote control leaving you a bit less space for the interface yeah so it was actually i just i figured that well seeing that you will always be within the distance of tv and from the tv there comes a whole bunch of light so it would actually power itself from the tv but you would just take up all the space and you would not have the full amount of power actually used but you prefer kinetic i prefer kinetic because it is well the costs are not that much higher and it is just a bit more high tech than a normal battery yeah but you do not move a remote control too much well you pick it up and you press buttons and that is enough to keep the energy level yeah well actually it is and if it is not you just shake a bit and and it would power up again but like i said you could use a battery that you just keep on the recharging whenever it moves and for rest you just juice on the battery and when the battery does not work i usually shake it too so you can slam it on it exactly exactly the same thank you tim well furthermore we checked the cases we have different options concerning the cases you simply had a basic standard model it was kind of square and i figured that was a bit boring we could go for the single curve or a double curve a single curve it is just a well you know it is just a nice curve but you could go in a double curve and that is like several different dimensions that gives you a whole new a dynamic look yeah that gives you a younger and more high tech look i figured figured but that we will discuss it later are you going to draw it what you want me to draw yeah yeah yeah i can not imagine yeah i could show you i could show you well let us say you yeah let us say that is your standard design yeah that is a bit of standard design but you could actually go like something like this and then in 3 d effect you could go so you just yeah this is a bit difficult i did not take a major in art but you could have a whole new the back back the depth you could just play around a bit with you do not have to use standard a little artistic yeah you could at least more space for creativity it might be an idea but just well furthermore well plastic versus rubber we could choose what is better plastic or rubber i prefer rubber because it feels yeah it is soft yeah it is soft and i like soft yeah i mean plastic also has that cheap feeling to it plastic i usually associate plastic with something that is cheap but that is maybe just me but we could talk about a layer furthermore buttons traditional or a touchscreen while we discussed it in a previous meeting so i figured i will just leave it at the lcd and a chipset well if we are going to use traditional buttons we could go with a simple chipset but if we decide to go on an lcd screen we would use an advanced chipset and that would bring the necessary cost with it so that is something we have to keep in mind if it is not manageable budget wise we would have to go over to simple buttons well i think we are going to sell 10000000s of them so i bet a big company in korea or taiwan like samsung i think of us a big discount on the chips yeah probably usually chips are not more expensive than one yeah probably but so but yeah that should not be a real issue that should not be that big issue i just had a put a big summary here so we could discuss it a bit what are your ideas when concerning battery versus kinetic i think you should use kinetic as a backup yeah you should yeah a combination a combination you use the battery and charge it up with kinetic when you pick it up it charges up like an acu yeah yeah yeah just like the watch from psycho yeah exactly what do you think i prefer both to combine them okay well that would bring some more costs but i mean who cares right that is the project manager is problem ¢50 battery and yeah well ¢50 eh and then we have single curve versus double curve well that maybe i have something in my perspective to cook with that okay no we will just wait plastic versus rubber rubber is not it possible to make a combination what kind of rubber is it all bendable or most or you have got to sit there around i figured it would be rather hard rubber casing this is a casing yeah rubber casing or if you are using a touchscreen it is just a casing around it so you could go for plastic but i figured yeah i would choose rubber maybe i can ask it right now the question that i have is it possible or is it necessary to make a touch screen square it is not i think eh well i do not know i think touch screens are generally square yeah but it is the case you put around it that makes the shape yeah okay but if you have a square lcd screen you put a case around it that has like bulbs or bulbs or that covers part of the lcd screen yeah that would cover it that would solve it is customizable yeah okay i get it so what are the opinions rubber or plastic i prefer rubber yeah me too okay yeah you too you sure you seem to hesitate a bit as long as it is firm and you do not it is not bendable or something i think that goes too far yeah it should not flop over when you hold it to you now that is because the chipset will hold it firmly place and an lcd screen will also might even bows back or you would probably yeah it might traditional versus lcd i figured we all set on that and then also the simple versus advanced i figure if we go for lcd we should have the advanced so that should not be a problem okay well that is my thank you welcome can i do anything yeah do your thing bring it up expert map okay last week i went to paris and milan for some trends watching for marketing our research and development department and i went to paris and milan in paris and milan we asked different people differing in age and in income the amount of money to spend what they like in design and material nowadays findings our main audience so that is people below 40 prefer the following at 1st the colors of fruit very basic colors like janus explained fresh colors green red strawberry red yellow banana yellow considering material yeah yeah they like spongy material like sponge bob like soft material janus mentioned it also i think he did some findings himself teletabish you were not in paris like this like big flashy flashy color fresh it is nice i think okay our secondary audience people above 40 years in age they like the dark traditional colors yeah materials like wood yeah wood is not a material which you build a remote controller 0 you could no you could yeah but just i never see one no okay but just a wooden okay look 0 wooden look yeah like you have those fake fake panels on the floor that that is not good anyway okay but that is our secondary audience so we decided to take yeah the people below 40 so this does not apply okay the 3rd there are some overall thoughts about new remote controls they have to look fancy they should be technological in innovative that means they have to be fancy things in and easy to use but that is common my personal preferences we have to aim at our main audience and therefore use fresh colors would you prefer that you can choose the color of your remote control i will come to that in a 2nd point here think about removable covers as you know mobile telephone market to customize your own remote control like the nokia the removal covers just put a red on it and go to a shop and buy a green one 3rd material being used could well be stuff like rubber 2 advantages it fits within the current market trends and it adds safety to your remote when you drop it so to come back to your question i think and the people in milan and paris also think that the rubber should be pretty hard like seen on regular mobile phones actually they have a lot in common well i actually saw a phone that you could use as a remote yeah yeah maybe you could use your remote as a phone hey that may be a next step yeah exactly and my 2nd sheet of personal preferences we have to reconsider the speech function recognition it is very innovative so that you say spss and it goes to yeah like something you can see that a market is just screaming for new technologies like speech recognition and stuff but we have to keep the cost in mind but 1250 yeah it can be very expensive okay 2nd building games like snake or tetris do not use the younger users also the link with mobile phones yeah but you do not use games when you are watching television 0 but you do not use games when you are making a telephone call just the same when your parents are watching some boring program you can take a remote and do something else yeah yeah okay when you are at college you take your remote control with you you also take your ipad and go playing games 0 i do that okay and at 3rd i stick with it the login functionality with the slogan take parental control to a new dimension very nice 0 so well 0 great sweetie okay the interface content well it is just a simple powerpoint mock up i want to make it more dynamic for you so i will draw it there but the main concept is take one big touchscreen always display the primary buttons clear and visible even like this with uses of a lot of space and make the menu structure changeable so if you press system yeah well multiple system options can maybe 5 or 10 or one can fit in or maybe even a step further when you want to have some other options that are not programmable with one horizontal button and other buttons can maybe just displayed here if that is necessary and well how do we want to look that is a remote look well you have got to hold it in one hand so the middle like all remotes have to be a little bit small so you can put it in inside your hands and some remotes you can use with the thumb but i think that is too difficult for this one so you can make it a little broader here and here and maybe use your thumb on the main buttons and use your other hand on the menu structure so here are going to be the program buttons 1234 etc and the volume control and program control maybe and down here this could be one big lcd the menu structure so you can use it in this way one thing you have got to keep in mind keep the remote clear of too much functions at the same time know that if you are changing the menu structure here and well i still believe you should keep displaying the buttons but if you are programming the color of the tv do not display 20 other options that are possible just keep it as simple as possible and do not use too many levels do not have to select a screen 1st and then brightness and then color and then +and then push +20 times but just in one button if possible and well in all noted tv levels channel one 2 and when you get to 10 and want to go back well you have a problem just most modern tv you press 10 and he goes to 10 and not to one and 0 after that so it is a button less and things like teletext put them in the menu things like yeah what do you think about a back and 4th knob but like in internet explorer yeah i thought i was trying to tell that it is volume +and -and this program +and minus yeah okay but that is for going from 4 to 5 yes but if you go from 2 to 8 you are watching one do your sports on 17 yeah and and your wife is watching you can switch switch easy well yes i think that is a good idea but well my my friends would to be put it in the menu snap and if you are using that button a lot of times well of course the manual will still be displayed on screen you just do not have to play games in between but if you are really switching between 2 channels you will not have time to use the other options you know already told that that is it that is my conclusion okay okay i think we can discuss a little about the the the 3 3 kind of revolutionary things tim came with the parental control the games and the voice recognition there is not too much decision on that one so i think the parental control is a good function to put in the remote i do not know how you think about it well i agree we just put it in the menu structures somewhere yeah and yeah system properties what i see how i see it is you put it on the remote and then you have like a windows log on screen with parents children something like that when you want to use the parents option it has to be fast you do not want to go down and watch you use at 80 clock and turn it on and wait 20 seconds for the log on screen and then remember your code and all kinds of settings no but i think most people find it much more important that their children do not watch sex or violence on the television and wait 10 or 15 seconds longer so they can finally watch it because of that you may use like withers xp a simple log on just push one or 2 or 3 and if you push parents then you have to log in code a 3 digit login like 2 and 3 and it is in and if you push children you do not have to it automatically goes you can watch children is channels over there okay i do not know if it is worth the the time and effort we are going to spend on it because well it is a simple function but it is going to take a lot of resources and a lot of time into programming because you will have to start working with the profiles and such and i am not sure if it is actually worth investing that much time and effort into it i think that there is a big market for it because you read many times in magazines and you read on the news that they believe the children are influenced by television and well we are aiming to below 40 years but there are a lot of people below 40 years below 40 who have children in young age and who want them to not watch violent or well maybe some idea on that just make the remote as it is but make an option to insert profiles because if my granddad would buy this remote he would not want to bother with all the obligate things to do just make it an option in the menu install profiles or something yeah yeah yeah that is a better idea yeah it just has to be when it is delivered out of the store it has to be just simple and plain but if you want to install it personally if i got kids and i could choose between 2 remote controls one yeah with one without with parent control and one without and i would buy the one with with well there is some question i have about how to incorporate it when you are thinking about some channels they cannot see but well when i think you have all the standard channels and only maybe after 100 clock in the evening violent films and movies will come and maybe some timing will be needed instead of channels because if you are watching it i do not know you know you are in a day cartoons will come up maybe friday night i do not know maybe it can work with show view you can control your video recorder with show view when you are taking the number it will start and end recording but maybe there is some option that the kind of show few numbers are violent and that they are blocked out yeah the disenfranchis is that someone who has to send all the show a few numbers of the programs that they took remote and it all have to decide yeah but that is impossible well if you want to if we incorporate the parental control let us say we do and well whatever child just goes up to the tv and presses up for instance yeah well nobody is stopping the child from what checking the channel well yeah you could say if parental control is only it will go from 14 to 16 with that page up i am not sure because for that to happen you will have to receive a signal from the remote control so it would have to be constant signaling what may be better is to incorporate a separate device that you can program with the remote control and that provides parental control for instance control for instance and that is just an optional device so this is this besides the remote control you will have a separate i would not put it in an optional device that then it becomes too much i think yeah if we do it we must do it in a kind of way he said like a profile a parent profile a family profile and and you know when you install another device children can still go up to the tv pop open the the thing and the channel that is true but the same incident same happens when you have remote control yeah of course but the only difference is the people buying the remote control will now get the added feature of parental control and those people would not necessarily want it yeah okay but it is just an added future okay and what do you guys think of the games in the voice mechanism i personally think that that becomes too much yeah well yeah it is more like a gadget of functionality email too from management that it is very popular to use voice recognition yeah but i do not think when you are watching tv and hearing loud noises from the tv someone screaming ah one and your channel switches yeah like voice recognition is too much i think and games yeah games it does yeah i can see games yeah you put it on the chip anyway so yeah that does not as long as it is not a primary feature of the remote yeah that does not cost a lot of extra resources so that will that must be in it do you think yeah that would be nice okay so the games are in it the voice recognition are not and the parental control are optional yeah it is in it but but how we do it i think so but i think also it is a good idea but it is very difficult to incorporate so we should make it too complex there is some manual function you choose parental control and maybe profiles will emerge when you put it on but how it is going to work it will be a product but will there like the 1st id from you can buy it without and with parental control or are we going to put it in and just i think the best would be to put it in to make it in menu option yeah to put it in always and you can just when you buy it you can select personal preference parental control on enter password or something well i do not know i figured if you had 2 different remotes you could choose one with a receiver in it so you could actually easily build in parental control but it would be more expensive so in that way you could make a cheap model and expensive model could we make the simple model and a deluxe model for instance yeah but tvs are not capable of sending yes they are yeah yeah you have some tvs yeah you have some yeah but most of them yeah that is true maybe you just have to restrict it to what programs so the parents says you cannot watch channel 7 9 and 10 and 10 and you cannot watch all channels after 100 clock and there is just some little clock in the manual you could easily do that with the remote control but you still have the problem about the television itself no no it is very simple i have seen some of that remotes who have a clock in it so the remote does not transmit when it is after 120 clock yeah okay but on the tv at least my tv there are is a compartment which you can press and there are buttons behind it which you can use if you do not have a but it is very blunt that is not our problem just have the parents buy some glue and it is not a part of the remote yeah of course yeah that is true yeah you could go like that would actually make things a lot more easy you could just blame it on television make it their problem yeah yeah i figured we could do that yeah sure i am not sure what marketing thinks about it but i have to consult my legal advice okay so i think we have decided on the things from janus the energy the combination between battery and kinetic the case will be double curve and rubber in a flashy fruit flashy fruity color with cover is removable the buttons will be touch screen but there may not be too many buttons and in the the menu structure there must not to be 5 minutes to go too many levels and it must be easy to use parental control will be incorporated but it must be not too complex and the games are in it so i think we have a consensus okay a little more 0 i have one thing left yeah maybe for jeroon yeah the views maybe it is handy to build in an expert view and a simple view like a mode or something yeah like in the expert view you have a lot of more what i was thinking about is just a menu structure when you do not use it it is simple yeah when you put the system properties entire list pops up all kind of stuff you can pull yeah okay it is already incorporated a little in a you could actually build in a function that you can program it yourself for the more advanced users yeah which buttons you yeah which buttons do you want to in it because you can like build on a back forward button and somebody would just want to watch 2 channels yeah just leave the other numbers away yeah you could have people want to we will take it to the other meeting okay i have a little chat to do and then we finish i went to a masterclass and 2 things are are can come in handy for us 1st thing is we talked about knowledge management knowledge engineering and the fact that the idea of knowledge sharing and learning knowledge from other countries companies and so like that it is very hot at the moment so it is mostly for the management expert to look what other marketing marketing what did i said management just talking about myself okay go on what other companies had to do also with the marketing campaign when they put on a newer remote just some yeah import export and another one there are there are benchmarking that is the word i saw i could not okay another thing is there were there was a survey and it came out that people like to buy things from a single large provider instead of those who are partnering with our so we must we must bring it as if a real reaction is a it is a big company a trustful company i know a marketing name for a product okay r to the 3rd power r 3 real reaction remote i had another idea to put the whole idea of real reaction and a single brand and that kind of thing when you put on the remote you see kind of just like when you telephone you see a little animation real reaction remote and now with the motto we put fashion in electronics and then you go yeah okay but it has to be like a split 2nd because you have to put in a code also and you can show somebody a logo for 05 seconds they will still remember it yeah and it will linger on every time you see it the idea from this thing is that we must present it as we are a single large provider who will stand on our own 0 if you have the lcd screen you can lcd screen you can have a small logo at the bottom and you could just stay that spins around yeah that spins around or something also also but we are it is just like a globe in internet explorer yeah yeah something like that okay but small icon think about that kind of thing that is what they said in the mastercloth 0 for the next meeting in geneva next meeting starts in 30 minutes so maybe you can go to paris and milan who gave you the masterclass the masterclass ronald battenberg franz mandelars okay thanks very special next session id the industrial development center user interface will work together on a prototype and we will drawing it on the smart board so that is a kind of new thing and the marketing expert will will be keeping busy with a product evaluation but the most specific instructions will be sent to you by email so we are going to work together right now yeah well this is what i heard in the masterclass not in the masterclass yeah so you just wait for the specific instructions but i think it was a very good session gentlemen definitely you need to i will thank you all 0 thank you too thank you very much thank you too give me a good evaluation okay guys love of success cheers cheers see you in a half hour but keep an eye on your laptop for a real life yeah i am not sure if we are because i saw something about individual actions yeah but there is a stud my my instructions that you will work together yeah here or that is not my problem bye bye not so stupid manager the product manager always works alone" ]

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[ "so let us start our 2nd me meeting on conceptual design so as the previous meeting i will be the secretary and we will have 3 presentations and we will have to decide on the remote control concept and finally we will close the decision so i will 1st no y you do the minutes 1st or what no i i think i will let our user interface designer speak 1st mister david jordan okay yep so we will yeah s technical accessoire no no no interface yeah this so 1st i will present the concept of user interface there is 3 concepts in the user interface so 1st one it is a google controller the 2nd is a fancy controller the last one is intelligent controller so there are 3 concepts in our controller n next i will explain one by one the 1st is google controller so i want the controller to be easy to use but with sophisticated functions so it is a combination of easy to use and sophisticated functions this is a 1st concept of our controller the 2nd concept is a fancy controller so we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive they can easy recognize our controller among a lot of products so so the u the user f the the u user interface should be very very cute very very g a nice one attractive such like this there are several examples in the slides i am not sure the one in the middle is very attractive yeah it is very you know if you are it is very big yeah yeah it is hard f i it is easy for you to remember it or to recognize it yeah okay yeah why not yeah yeah we will have big discussion i suppose after that so yeah yeah yeah so the last concept is intelligent we want we want our controller to be smart so maybe we should use technology such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology so we need to have coop some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and gesture recognition with this advanced features we i think we can attract a lot of user okay okay something else no there this is the 3 concepts of our controller yeah i just have one question because for the intelligent controller you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition yeah yeah but as the expert told us most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t to zap between channels yeah so do you think they will be able to use gestures because if they do all the time the same gesture as you said previously in the last meeting maybe they will get injuries because of that y yeah or if you say channel 3 channel 323465 i think they will be bored after a while maybe you do not think so i think some time it is very convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button yeah sure for example if you cannot find your controller you can just just just speak something such as yeah 12 i that is true 0 yeah that is a good that is a good point so one and yeah but suppose you got a cold you have a mute remote controller yeah so you can use your gesture that is no problem yeah but how how is how risky is it to trust like speech recognition or gesture recognition broken arm for limited vocabulary speech recognition is very reliable and for s limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also very okay okay yeah but suppose you have a family watching t v yeah and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time do you think it will work yep everybody wanting to change channel in the same time but this this but this would never happen anyway yeah they cannot speak at the same time why yeah if you have one brother and one sister and they want to watch their favorite t v program yeah but the so they say 0 channel 4 channel 3 channel 4 channel 3 all the time so yeah but yeah but the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control because the yeah it is very interesting yeah but this yeah yeah i do not think it yeah but you have the remote control so maybe you can keep it f with you that is right you are not you are not obliged to share it 0 okay okay you mean it could be a problem for this kind of stuff yeah we can yeah yeah that is that is the advantage of intelligent controller even you h you have the controller i can i can say channel 3 so it is c come to channel 3 i do not have to no it is it is no but this is disadvant disadvantage yeah i think it is a disadvantage it is advantage yeah and mayb maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to yeah but one other question manual controllers eh how how much will it cost no more expensive maybe how much yeah because i suppose we need to do research to have something working no no we we d we we just are use if you if if you use the basic some some efficient no no we just have some cooperation with some research institute we do not have to do some basic research on this field so you think it will not cost an not a lot for us yeah i think it is because this technology is or for limited wor or limited wor lexical recognition it is very yeah but it is yeah but it is it is changing how the remote control is going to be built it is because then you need i mean this does not have the power to do recognition for example well y y you have also the language problem you know when you no it is even for the f because the the vocabulary the cause it it have to be universal so yeah i agree with the vocabulary is very small so that is not a problem yeah yeah but there is one problem that baba talked about is the international yeah yeah remote control we need something that is international suppose we are we want to sell it in france yeah the recognition system will be able to understand french if you want to go to england it will be able to understand english so yeah yeah the key the key the key of our the key feature of our controller is that it is it has some some adaptation yeah this could be downloaded by the web maybe or yeah but you know mechanism the product the pro it is it is it means when you when you sell this controller in china it is can recognize chinese it is r if you sell this controller in france it can recognize french it is a very smart it is a very smart controller maybe yeah okay yeah it is and with no increase in the pri production price of the remote control 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah because of this product this technology has already been developed but yeah but how will you so yeah but the problem is how to s you know if this is a push button controller you can send this con this remote control everywhere in the world the same one yeah yeah if you have the language you have to develop for each country 0 n yeah yeah tha that is why we have to do language adaptation yeah but for each country you have to do one because the for example for se yeah even for each f for even for different family we have to do d yeah we would we have to do adaptation to 0 really that is 0 yeah but then w seems to be quite complex yeah we have to take care of the €12 comple no it is not so complex problem and what about voice recognition do we have microphones and where will be they do you think if we are far from television it will work no no no it is not i think that is n that is not a problem because you you do not have to wear a microphone it it just the microphone is embedded in the controller yeah but where is the controller okay where is the controller yeah it is in your family in your home no but then it is it is like this yeah but we are here it is an object but here you say you want to use i s technology yeah yeah you can you can embed it microphone here a microphone maybe yeah but wha what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li like this if you have an object if you want to use voice or gesture you need to be free without any object to talk to the to the t v maybe you just want to interact with television yeah yeah just you just put the controller here then you i if you say one he switch to channel yeah you use your command and you do s your gesture yeah but you can lose it no no it is n y if you lose it so well for example if it is somewhere in the room if i maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s channel one and the t the remote control gives the order to the t v to switch to channel one yeah okay you so you can build a kind of black box and put it on t v and just to recognize gestures and voice devic yeah yeah yeah yeah but so you need a camera and you know a microphone inside your remote control yeah ah but you would still have the buttons or is it do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition or you you still have the possibility to use buttons i think it we should give the flexibility to the user and we think yeah okay so you yeah yeah but you can see they can switch form one modality to another yeah i dunno it is a bit risky risky yeah i think so no that is quite inter quite attractive and maybe it will be quite but i think that you know switching from one country to to another will be a problem so although y y well if you do language adaptation there should be no problem yeah i dunno yeah but i i okay we should have confidence in technology yeah we should so what do you think we will try the controllers you would prefer what which kind of controller would you prefer to use you as a remote control user if if i mean i am sure if the user pays the same price he is happy to have recognition more features yeah but if if if it like doubles yeah but i think he need a control that is very reliable so no one would would be interested so i think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller and to stay with the google controller or a fancy controller maybe try to mix the google controller and the fancy controller yeah yeah just want to have something controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller easy to use sophisticated and fancy yeah but if if you stick to you think it is possible stick to the 1st 2 parts so what is the difference between our controller with other products in the market there is no k features of our controller so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features yeah yeah no i mean would y would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some some function inside it that it is not really the we we can add for example some function like for browsing in internet so or something like that y but i think a user need yeah you y that is a fun that is not the function of the controller that is a function of t v you can replace your t v with a new t v with internet browsing function but no but you need you need new remote controller then because if you want to browse internet or i do not know if you want to type something or do not have a the the okay yeah if we can send email from it but it is not the only the problem only the issue of controller it is it is also the issue of the t v no no because the p the problem i can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh what can happen in a family i i for example if cause for example yeah yeah but we do we do we we we cannot rely 100% on these features to u to use the controller yeah yeah but we want so but with the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it your mobile but you when you choose a new mobile you choose the one with voice recognition yeah you wou you would true that is the feature is not 100% reliable but it is a feature to distinguish our product from our from other products yeah but w we we want something th that works all the time every day every hour for everyone yeah yeah yeah and for all the person of the family maybe so yeah yeah if if if if you are if you ar if you already have a product it works 100% reliable would you replace it with another one you do not need to tune it yeah why not i mean for example the goo y you say we would we would to have a google like controller if it is because you have new yeah yeah i do not see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like google google is is simple works fine yeah so i i guess if can have a remote control that is really basic simple and works fine it is already a lot yeah 0 yes but there is no big difference between the traditional controller thi this i mean the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition or if he has something that works fine and is really fancy the then nn no tha looks nice and it is easy easy to use easy to use not too expensive too but the there is there is n there is n not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one if there is no key feature in the new controller see that is the problem yeah that is the same yeah i mean i i know it is more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever yeah ye but you have to think the user is the one who going to buy the product and so yeah okay i mean that is the point so let us go to the industrial designer okay okay maybe we will be able to take a decision after that so okay yeah 2 yeah participant 2 working yeah working design so so i think i can can you go to the next one i it is not this one it is oth the oth so i it is the working design okay sorry component design it is okay so this yeah so this is the described use what are you inst i think there is something wrong with your it did did not r receive it did not receive it maybe you you record it somewhere else i do not think so participant one participant one interface concept no 0 maybe i record recorded directly on the computer yeah dunno nope okay okay yes it seems that we have a problem with the i dunno if you remember what you had to say or i can say it to you without yeah so yeah maybe we can 1st come to no i think it will be more interesting to start with to frahan with frahan then you can prepare your slides then present it later i think it is more interesting what he says okay yeah yeah exac you will had s some more information in i think it will be interesting after your presentation to have baba is presentation okay yeah yeah true yeah okay in fact i do not know so i s because i in my presentation i do not have here with so it was in fact the design use to show you the design of what is inside a what is inside and what are the different component of the r okay okay never mind okay of the remote control okay so it will be interesting so i could show you some some picture of what is inside and so okay so i in fact the the f something i want to discuss is which kind of material are we going to use so will it will be wooden wooden di wooden remote control or a a plastic remote control like this one so and in which which which kind will be the the different bu button so it can be some you know classic pushbutton like this one or you have also some button like l c d where you know the button the buttons are unlighted during the night or you know you can see them in the darkness okay okay and the other thing i want to discuss also is which kind of alimentation electric alimentation do you want to have so will it be for example d solar energy alimentation or will it be a battery like the classical battery so huh and i think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have both of them so so for example in some country where you are in the the countryside and you are far from you know the cities for example in some place in in s senegal so if you have electric if you have solar alimentation you just when you want to have recharger or remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come and so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of remote con it can be something interesting to make people buy it for example yeah i think it is an added value to the remote control and maybe it can attract all the ecological k yeah consumers and but about the the price of adding this solar battery yeah yeah yeah ecologists yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah would it be something really that will increase the price of production more no alrigh in fact having them both will if we want to have battery regular battery and and the solar energy battery it could be it will it will add a little bit of the price so but it will be an added value also that will be compensated so yeah okay and what tha what about the materials and the materials it depends for example you if you have a wooden material it can be more the plastic material is more common it is very resistant but impersonal you know something wooden will be like i do not know high cl so a special high class or you know you can have some yeah special for yeah and i if you we want to put fashion in electronics maybe we can try to do something with wood yeah even if it is not completely wood but just a part of the yeah you know will be wooden in wood and it can be interesting okay seems to be interesting and so the last point is y also would do you want to have some very cheap integrated cir circuits chips or do you have low level or or very very expensive it depends but i think that low level will be you know it is an interim module yeah we want something easy to use and so i think maybe something very low level wou would be enough yeah yeah yeah yeah and you think that we will be yeah i think it will fit on the price we want twel €12 so okay so wood and what about the buttons i think the buttons i pr i prefer you know the l c d you know lighted buttons because you know it is i do not know yeah in the dark no it is fashion yeah it is fashion and it is related to how beautiful it is or if you want to watch t v in the darkness or if you want to lo find your find your your remote control that is lost you know in the darkness it is very easy so right what about the touch scr touch screen for example it is it is expensive i i guess i think a touch screen will be t as expensive as the l c d buttons so but and it is a kind of other design i mean it can also be interesting to have this kind of yeah so you got email i dunno i think we have only 5 minutes left okay participant 4 functional requirements no trend watching the other one this one yeah i think so just yeah so just to meet the user requirements i would just do a s short anal analysis of the remote control market and to kind of have a better overview of what is the fashion in general i have checked more than only the remote control market so next so again it is pretty much similar to what i have said in the previous meeting user really really want a fancy look and feel they are not so so interested in functional look and feel okay like the one you have shown david with all the buttons and i mean i i it sounds good technically but it is it is not what they want and so 2nd point is they still want it it to be technologically innovative so maybe it is sort of related to what you have said with the speech recognition and so on okay at the same time it is important that it is easy to use so that were the 31st points from the remote control analysis now i if we look at fashion in general okay wha what we really see this year is that everything from clothes to shoes and furniture is is inspired by fruits and vegetables okay so i think we really have to take this into account for the design of the the thing ah yes yeah yeah okay yeah cause it is it is really what people want even if it is in general fashion we want it to be in the remote control and then if if we take the ordering or the ranking of all the points fancy look and feel has on a score of 7 would have 6 as importance the remote control has to be technologically innovative it is 3 then easy to use it is not so important actually with respect to other y other ones okay so we see fancy look an look and feel is the most important one and then if we combine this with the fashion from milan and paris and fruit and vegetables yeah we go to the fruits and vede vegetables and the other point i have not mention is people wan want to have a spongy touch okay so this is this maybe does not really fit with the wooden design spongy kay okay yeah yeah i dunno yeah but the problem is which kind of material do you need to to be spongy yeah thi this is this would be like pla plastic like but rubber mayb maybe you know rubber like s very stuff okay rubber rubber desi okay yeah yeah device so yeah okay tha tha that was the main point i think from the trend in fashion okay so we have to take decisions about the component concepts about the energy so as you say you want something technologically innovative maybe using solar energy and with battery would be something interesting maybe will attract yeah solar yeah so when i think it is okay yeah it will be a pro ecology consumers yeah cheap imprint so you s you propose low level chips would be enough to have something working well yeah i think yeah yeah yeah case later so you think case something spongy someth no wood no wood but plastic maybe not no wood but i mean ma maybe not the part you touching you know would some pla maybe you i think we can have wood for example in the bottom and you know yeah maybe the base it depends on the design we want so it is it is natural but still y yeah it is natural and i yeah th the feeling is natural so maybe we can stay with wood and it can be correlated to energy solar energy so for the marketing aspect you know saying that it is ecol yeah i mean it is not exactly right for the spongy point of view yeah it is not right so but it is still fashion but we could maybe have both like part of wood and some rubber for the buttons or i dunno okay yeah something that you can into it yeah and what about the user interface concept google and google and fancy and fancy f how about the the voice because i think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some and disadvantages with this yes maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they are interested and how it it is an an interesting concept to see to have voice control yeah yeah yeah the smart controller yeah but and the problem is i i am we can infer i if you have v voice control why not to put it directly on the the t v so speak directly to the t v and you do not need a remote control actually so yeah but you need a receiver to recognize the gestures and the voice but it will be embedded on the t v and not on the remote control so that is true yeah d okay i dunno so maybe we will just focus on the google controller plus the fancy controller maybe try to mix them these 2 concepts together just in one and do a remote control with solar energy and batteries and with lev low level chips and wood yeah it is good and l c d buttons yeah l c d yeah i think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult to add yeah yeah yeah and pf what can we think a supplement to what interface yeah for the interface something added value i think the supplement can be the voice it is just you know it is not the most important but it can be a part of with a module you mean the remote control with a mur module if you want you can just use yeah yeah commands words and use them when you do not want to use your fingers yeah to push button yeah yeah even it is for s just some kids you know switching channels 1234 turning the t v 0 on 0 or off yeah turning yeah yeah not very complex commands but easy commands so so adding some vocal commands yeah simple ones yeah simple ones for okay so the next meeting will start in 30 meeti minutes so we will you will all have to work in in your direction so you will have to work on the look and feel design to have the easy to use yeah powerful and fancy remote control with some added value such as the simple vocal commands recognition yep yeah you will have to work more baba on the spongy way to to add spongy touch to the buttons and try to find maybe a nice shape for the wooden remote control expensive buttons yeah to make some new yeah and i sup i think we will have to evaluate th the product too yeah no not forgetting about the fruits and vegetables trends yeah okay fruits yeah if possible okay and remember as as i said last meeting we really have to build a fashion remote control and the color of the the society will be really it will be seen in the remote control need it to be okay so you will have baba and david jordan you will have to work together on the prototype and you will have next time to show us modeling a cl a clay remote control yeah okay okay so you will have to model model something yep and i think that some specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach okay so no more questions we can close the session okay sounds good okay yeah okay okay cool" ]

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the sophisticated functions this is the 1st concept of our controller the 2nd concept is a fancy controller so we want to give the custom the impression that our controller is very attractive we can easily recognize our controller among a lot of products so the user interface would be very very cute very attractive such as this there are several examples in these lines i am not sure the one individual is very interesting yeah it is very you know if you it is very big yeah it is hard it is easy for you to remember it but to recognize it okay yeah why not we will have big discussion i suppose after that so so the last concept is intelligent we want we want our controller to be smart so maybe we should use some technology such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology so we need to have some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and on gesture recognition with this advanced features i think we can attract a lot of users okay okay something else no this is the 3 concepts of our i just have one question yeah because for the intelligent controller you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition but as the expert told us most of the people want to use the remote control to zap between channels do you think they will be able to use gestures because if they do all the remote control you know they will be able to zap between channels if they do all the time the same gesture as you said previously in the last meeting maybe they will get injuries because of that or if you say channel 3 channel 3 2 3 4 6 5 i think they will be born after a while you do not think so i think sometimes it is very convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button for example if you cannot find your controller just speak something such as one yeah but suppose you got a cold you have a mute remote controller so you can see your gesture that is a problem how is it how risky is it to trust like speak recognition or gesture recognition for limited vocabulary speech recognition it is very reliable and for limited vocabulary gesture recognition it is also very yeah but suppose you have a family watching tv and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time do you think it will work everybody wanting to change channel in the same time but this would never happen anyway yeah they cannot speak at the same time if you have one brother and one sister they want to watch their favorite tv program so they say 0 channel 4 channel 3 channel 4 yeah all the time even the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control yeah but you have the remote control so maybe you can not keep it with you you are not obliged to share it you mean it could be a problem for yeah that is the advantage of intelligent controller even you know you have the controller i can i can see channel 3 so it is 0 but this is disadvantage i think it is a disadvantage yeah maybe you can have a switching more to pass from you know voice controller to yeah but one other question how how much will it cost yeah because i suppose we need to do research to have something working no we just use some efficient basic we just have some cooperation with some research institutes we do not have to do some basic research on this 0 you think each one costing not a lot for us yeah i think it is because this technology is for limited limited lexicking recognition it is very yeah but it is changing how the remote control is going to be built because then you need i mean this does not have the power to do recognition for example you have also the language because of it has to be universal so yeah i agree what is very small so yeah there is one problem that is baba talked about is the international remote control we need something that is international suppose we want to sell it in france the recognition system will be able to understand french if you want to go to england it will be able to understand english yeah the key the key yeah this could be downloaded by the web man the key feature of our controller is that it has some adaptation mechanism it means when you sell this controller in china it can recognize chinese if you sell this controller it is a very much range it is a very smart controller and with no increase in the production price of the remote control because of this product this technology has already been developed yeah but how will you the problem is how to you know if this is a push button controller you can send this remote control everywhere in the world the same one if you have the language you have to develop for each country that is why we have to do language adaptation but for each country you have to do one yeah because for example for a few for even for different family we have to do really yeah we have to do adaptation to yeah but it seems to be quite complex yeah we have to take care of the €12 and what about voice recognition do we have microphones and where we will be there do you think if we are far from television it will work i think that is not a problem because you you do not have to wear a microphone you just the microphone is embedded in the controller yeah but where is the controller where is the controller yeah it is in your family in your home yeah but here it is an object but here you say you want to use a technology yeah you can embed it in the microphone here yeah but what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control like this if you have an object if you want to use voice or gesture you need to be free without any object to talk to the tv you just want to interact with the controller here then you if you say one you see your command and you do your gesture yeah but you can lose it if you lose it so but for example if it is somewhere in the room maybe if it is in the table there you can always say it is channel one and the remote control gives the audio to the tv so you can build a kind of black box and put it on tv and just to recognize gestures and voice so you need a camera and a microphone in your remote phone you would still have the buttons do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition or you still have the possibility to use buttons i think we should give the flexibility to the user okay so you yeah but you can switch from one modality to another i do not know it is a bit risky risky i think so maybe it will be quite attractive but i think that you know switching from one country to another will be a problem well if you do language adaptation there should be no problem yeah okay we should have confidence in technology we should so what do you think which are the controllers you would prefer what which kind of controller would you prefer to use you as a remote control user i mean i am sure if the user pays the same price he is happy to have recognition but if it like doubles no one would be interested i think he needs a controller that is very reliable so i think it would be better not to do an intelligent controller and to stay with the control control and to stay with the google controller or fancy controller maybe try to mix the google controller and a fancy controller just one to have something controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller easy to use sophisticated and fancy do you think it is possible if you stick to the 1st 2 parts so what is the difference between our controller with other products in the market there is no features of our control control so is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features no i mean would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some function inside you can add for some function like for browsing in the internet or something like that but i think a user needs that is not the function of the controller that is the function of tv you can replace the tv with a new internet tv with a new tv with internet browser no but you need a new remote controller then because if you want to browse internet or i do not know if you want to type something or okay if you send a mail from but it is not the only the problem only the issue of controller is also the issue of the tv because the problem i can see with the voice or the gesture what can happen in a family for example we do we do we cannot rely 100% on these features to use the controller controller but it is the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it your mobile but you when you choose a new mobile yeah you choose the one with voice recognition true that is the feature is not 100% reliable but it is a feature to distinguish our product from our from other products yeah but we want something that works all the time yeah every day every how yeah for the person of the family yeah if you do not need to tune it if you already have a product it works 100% reliable would you replace it with another one yeah why not for example we would like to have a google like controller i do not see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like google is simple works fine so i guess if we can have a remote control that is really basic simple and works fine it is already a lot 0 yes but there is no big difference between the traditional controller i mean the user is not only interested in having speech or just recognition if he has something that works fine and is really fancy looks nice and not too expensive there is not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one there is no key feature in the new controller that is the problem yeah i mean i know it is more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever but you have to think the user is the one who is going to buy the product then so okay so let us go to the industrial designer maybe we would be able to take a decision after that that so 2 yeah passing 2 and working so so i think i can can you go to the next one it is not this one it is not working design sorry component design so this so this is to describe you describe you use what i did not say i think there is something wrong with the maybe you you record it somewhere else i do not think so but if one participant one but it did not want interface concept no 0 maybe i record it directly on the computer yeah no no okay it seems that we have a problem with the i do not know if you remember what you had to say or i can say it to without yeah so yeah maybe we can 1st come to no i think it would be more interesting to start with i think it is more interesting what you can not put your slides then present it will have some more information and i think it would be interesting after you presentation to have baba is presentation yeah okay in fact i do not know i okay in my presentation i do not have here but okay no more it was in fact to design you to show you the design of the design of what is inside and what is inside and what are the different components of the of the remote control okay so it will be interesting so i could show you some some picture okay of what is inside so so in fact the something i want to discuss is which kind of matter are you going to use so we it will be a wooden wooden wooden remote control or a plastic remote control like this one so and in which which can will be the different button so it can be some you know classic push button like this one or you have also some button like lcd where you know the buttons are unlighted during the night or you know you can see them in the darkness okay and the other thing i want to discuss also is which kind of electricity elementation do we want to have so will it be for example solar energy alimentation or will it be a battery like the classical battery so and i think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have both of them so for example in some country where you are in the country the countryside and you are far from the cities for example in some place in in senegal so if you have electricity if you have solar elementation you just when you want to have recharge your remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come and so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of it can be something interesting to make people buy it i think it is an added value to the remote control and maybe it can attract all the ecological consumers yeah but about the price of adding this solar battery would it be something really that will increase the price of production or no in fact having them both will if you want to have a battery regular battery and the solar energy battery it could be it will add a little bit of the price bit of the price so but it will be added value also that will be compensated okay so and what about the materials and the materials it depends for example if you have a wooden material it can be more the plastic material is more common it is very resistant but you know something wooden will be like i do not know special high class or you know yeah and if we want to put fashion and electronics maybe we can try to do something we would yeah even if it is not completely wood but just a part of the you know it will be wooden in wood and it can be interesting okay seems to be interesting so the last point is also do we want to have some very cheap integrated circuits chips or do we have low level or very very very expensive it depends but i think that low level will be you know it is an intermediate yeah we want something easy to use and so i think maybe something very low level would be enough and you think that we will be yeah i think it will fit on the price you want 12 €12 so would and what about the buttons i think the buttons i prefer you know the lcd you know and lighted buttons because you know it is i do not know and yeah in the dark it is fashion and it is fashion and it is related to how beautiful it is so if you want to watch tv in the darkness or if you want to find your remote control that is lost in the darkness it is very easy so what about the touch screen for example it is expensive i guess i think a touch screen will be as expensive as the lcd but and it is a kind of other design it can be also interesting to have this kind of so you got an email i do not know i think we have only 5 minutes left okay what happens for functional requirements no trend watching the other one this one yeah i think so just yeah so just to meet the user requirements i will just do a short analysis of the remote control market and to kind of have a better overview of what the fashion in general i have checked more than only the remote control market remote control market so next so again it is pretty much similar to what i have said in the previous meeting user really want a fancy look and feel they are not so interested in a functional look and feel like the one you have showed david with all the buttons and i mean it sounds good technically but it is not what they want so 2nd point is they still want it to be technological it to be technologically innovative so maybe it is sort of related to what you have said with the speech recognition and so on at the same time it is important that it is easy to use so that were the 31st points from the remote control analysis now if we look at fashion in general what we really see this year is that everything from clothes to shoes and furniture is inspired by fruits and vegetables so i think we really have to take this into account for the design of the thing because it is really what people want even if it is in general fashion we want it to be in the remote control and then if we take the ordering or the ranking of all the points fancy look and field has on a score of 7 have 6 as importants the remote control has to be technologically innovative it is 3 then easy to use it is not so important actually with respect to other ones so we see fancy looking feel is the most important one and then if we combine this with the fashion from milan and paris it is fruits and vegetables we go to the fruits and vegetables and the other point i have not mention is people want to have a spongy touch okay so this is this maybe does not really fit with the wooden design okay i do not know if the point is which kind of material do you need to be spongy yeah this is this would be like plastic like but rubber maybe you know rubber like device so yeah okay that was the main point i think from the trend in fashion okay so we have to take decisions about the component concept about the energy so as you say you want something technologically innovative maybe using solar energy and yeah solar i think it is with battery would be something interesting maybe it would attract yeah it will be pro ecology consumers chip and print so you propose low level chips would be enough to have something working well case leaves so you think ooh case you think oo whew kays something spongy no wood no wood maybe not no wood but i mean maybe not the part you are touching maybe you can have wood for example in the bottom yeah maybe the base it is natural yeah it is natural feeling is natural so maybe we can stay with wood and it can be correlated to energy solar energy so for the marketing aspect you know saying yeah i mean it is not exactly right right for the spongy yeah it is not right but it is still fashion we could maybe have both like part of wood and some rubber for the buttons or yeah something that you can yeah and what about the user interface concept google and fancy how about the voice because i think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some disadvantages with this maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they are interested and how it is an interesting concept to see to have a voice control yeah smart control and the problem is we can not understand if you have voice control why not to put it directly on the tv so you speak directly to the tv and you do not need a remote control actually so yeah but you need a receiver to recognize the gestures and the voice it will be embedded on the tv and not on a remote control that is true okay so maybe we are just focused on the google controller plus the fancy controller maybe try to mix these 2 concepts together just in one and do a remote control with solar energy and batteries and with low level chips and wood yeah good and lcd buttons buttons yeah that is good yeah i think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult to add yeah yeah and what can we think a supplement to what interface yeah for the interface something added value i think the supplement can be the voice it is just you know it is not the most important but it can be a part of with a module you mean a remote control with a module if you want you can just use commands words and use them when you do not want to use your fingers even it is for just some keys like you know switching channels 1234 turning the tv on or off yeah not very complex commands but easy comments so adding some vocal comments simple ones yeah simple ones okay so the next meeting will start in 30 minutes so you will all have to work in your direction so you will have to work on the look and feel design to have the easy to use powerful and fancy remote control with some added values such as the the simple vocal commands recognition you will have to work more baba on the spongy way to add spongy touch to the buttons and try to find maybe a nice shape for the wooden remote control and i think we will have to evaluate the product not forgetting about the fruits and vegetables trends if possible and remember as i said last meeting we really have to build a fashion remote control and the color of the society will be really it will be seen in the remote control so you will have baba and david jordan you will have to work together work together on the prototype and you will have next time to show us modeling a clay remote control so you will have to model something and i think that some specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach okay so no more questions we can close the session okay okay okay cool i am going to i am going to" ]

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[ "so we are here to talk about functional design now hopefully we have all got a better idea from than we did f leaving the last meeting as to what it is we are up to now so here is an agenda i will open you should know that i will be taking minutes during all the meetings as i was struggling to our last time and that will be easier for me now because i am not actually giving the whole presentation the additional points are just the stuff that we sent and that i forwarded on from upper management having a few bright ideas to make our lives painful now you can all give your presentations we can talk about the requirements and hopefully come to some decisions right 40 minutes for this meeting so a bit more time than the last one here is the additional points i just wanted to put those in there to see if you guys had any comments on them did you all receive that email yep yeah so does anyone have any overall well what comes up for me is that if we are going to if we are going to be marketing a product that is going to be having no teletext people are very comfortable with the idea of having teletext and using teletext yep and so we are not we are going to be a new product without something that people are very comfortable having right now so that is from a marketing perspective i i see i see a lack and so we have to go i think in the other direction what are we going to have that makes this thing better than well tha that 1st point could also be an op opportunity because in seeing that teletext is becoming outdated some sort remote control that can work with the internet there is the opportunity that is presented i guess right yeah no i i agree with you so what i am talking about is i see that one side we are eliminating something so we have to come up with another side which is okay what are we going to be targeting our market that identifies our product as better than because it does not have teletext it has ta ta ta ta ta so that is that is that was my reactions okay yeah but but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television yeah yeah so we are quite fixed yep so we are really probably in terms of marketing are looking for that is that is a cost winner rather than a fantastic new feature product yeah bu but we we are designing only the remote we not design the t v okay yeah so we are going to be removing the teletext out of any t v yeah that we people use our remote with kay that is right i think we take with you so it is kind of a stupid decision but there is also the potential for mark there is a market here for our lost teletext right for example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement wants it as cheap as possible €25 is the selling price we really have to innovate here i guess that is what i am that is what i am talking about is is that we have to find something that is going to be very attractive about this product cause somebody some people are going to be hap unhappy cause it took they can not ac access their teletext okay cause we are talking about 80% or 90% or 95% of the televisions out there are are teletext k yeah so so it is it is not that i am criticizing the product at all it is just when we eliminate that then what do we bring what are we bringing in to take the place of this and we have to d in my opinion we have to double up kay if we lose one we need to bring 2 or 3 okay okay i think that the last point is probably quite straightforward obviously the the w it has to be branded so then the double r will be our our kay on the product yeah i think one of can you handle that black and yellow i tho i tho i thou i think rol ro rolls royce might mind but do not worry i think w yeah one of the things that we should also keep in mind when we are doing this i mean our company is slogan is we put the fashion in electronics right so i think our kind of our target here is to have some kind of very like sleek nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well but i think one of the main selling points is that we do not want it to be clunky like like this thing here you know we do not want to a big clunker we want something that looks nice and it is fashionable and so so you have this nah so we have 3 presentations and i think we will go in order of participant number here so we can have a look at the working design 1st from participant 2 that is yes okay that is fine okay so it is enough but click it on off so you all know me i am the industrial designer and we have some basic components that our remote is going to need just basically every remote will need em we need some kinda of power d power source we have to decide on our our user interface which is his department but the in user interface is also a major component we need a programmable digital signal processor to to take the input from the user and translate that into into electronic signal which we pass to the infra red l e d which you aim at the television which and it receives that signal you need a on off switch i do not know how that got in there and we also need to have the if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of t v s so we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that will require some memory as well so here is just a basic layout of how how the remote would work you ha the v the power source is in the upper right hand corner there and you can see that we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing and then passes that signal on to the infra red l e d and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo transistor so those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much open to move around now is would this be considered just a standard i think any des this is not this is not cutting edge technology we are talking here we are talking about existing technology no right i think nothing is being modified or upgraded or new discoveries yeah this is just this is just a basic layout of ev of all the components that w w are going to be absolutely necessary f to have a working remote we can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition i mean that i mean that you can kinda say would would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip okay okay do we have an idea of costs of different components but well the most the most costly components are going to be the chip and the th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are going to be expensive as well the l e d and the the transistors and everything else are you know they are they are pretty cheap kay so depending on what we want our functionality to be the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap depending on the n amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and h and h you know how much power kay do we have any ballpark figures for that yet no i do not have any figures right now kay we we have to wait until we get to a more specific design phase for that yeah n okay but and i think a significant part of the cost could be the actual the actual casing itself and and you know the the b the buttons and things like that the shell i think yeah basically yeah okay okay so yeah that is all i have really okay thanks and we have participant 3 which i believe is pedro i i can give you that to click on hey mouse open and you want to get when we are fighting over it is also more lot more fun view a slide show that is what you want to do yeah just go up to view click do not yeah kay this does not work so yeah function design you guys know me pedro and what i found is we want to do fashion and i think honestly we should keep technology low and just simple basically and try to aim for design if basically a case will will cost the same if it looks good or bad so we ma we have to make it look good something cute and small the big chunky remotes are died in the 80s so we should just go for something that people will like to actually look at and although mo most people will buy s televisions and everything for that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly end up using simple functions and little things and most the people will not will not get too mad of actually having to go the to the s to the television to for instance tune in their the stations there is no need to have that in the remote so as for what i would recommend for the the interface design and i will change the colors on the on the logo but we should go for the user oriented device so simple controls and good ergonomics and although i th i th i am still here recommending the teletext so i will remove that i guess but we should go for the but i t i think what the the management recommendation was less that there is a worry that teletext will become outdated rather than we should not have it so i i still think if it is cheap enough functionality wise to include it really should be in there because otherwise we are just going to i mean even if it is necessary or not if you if you are given the choice between a t a remote with teletext or without when it really if it i if it is not more expensive for us to k make because as far as i understand it it can be operated with the same set of buttons yeah yeah right as far as i it is just the cost of an extra button so it should be in there i mean software wise there is really no difference yeah okay i think is not i have maybe a silly question i in the very beginning it said with the with the advent of computers there is going to be the it is going to be out moded teletext i i do not understand how those 2 things are connected how does how does computers and teletext h how why is one eliminating the need of the other i do not understand that well maybe what we are getting into here is the the idea of internet through the t v for example so that might play on what we can do yeah the they are basically aiming at saying that you would use you know a couple of years ago teletext to be the easiest way to check like for the scheduling and the next program and stuff like that and now scheduling to find out what what you are watching even if there is commercials you know yeah and now you can c look it over internet okay but i still think teletext is way more convenient until until we have the same commodities i think i ha yeah cause yeah i just i do not see the cross over between computers and television i agree i mean i do see the cross over in some sense but but but but with the the remote is is used for television okay yeah but it is not happen yet well for me yeah well you have digital t v still already so so if we make the cross over and we are going to view television on computers then we are then we are losing the the necessity of the remote yeah unless you have a yeah well there there is a for example on digital t v systems you have you can press a button and you can buy things in adverts s and you can you can view through a catalog for example a a family member of mine has got a system where you just you can yeah and there is other features for example on other systems where you can pause live t v and things like that they are just features from the internet from computers are are coming into the t v sort of under the covers but you still use it through a teletext okay so now the things to think here are that that there is going to be more functionality potentially that we can handle okay yeah but we we do not we are not aiming a command for that that is the thing and all of those require the other commands with more complexity and more software and i think a lot of that is proprietary anyways you are not going to be able to you like command a tivo with our remote i do not think but still there there is an opportunity if if it is for example a trainable one then we are just simply having like an up down left right an okay button or something like that might might do as well in future proofing it yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainable one so okay well i dunno one way the other teletext was there but i guess we can remove it or you know make 2 separate interface designs i think if it is possible you should try to you know have a talk with management about that just you know yeah i do not i do not see the logic yeah i i do not see the logic in elimination of teletext i just i i but i am not a tech mind either yeah yeah and neither do i in fact i just do not see the cross over between computers and and and cause we are designing something for a television okay bu i will communicate that back to those guys there a a and th the message really we want to be sending to them is that although teletext may become outdated w there is no l logic in not having it in there anyway yeah i if it does not affect the price right it is just not yeah we are selling it to an existing market yeah but i i think what they are pushing us towards here is in terms of thinking of ways to future proof our system for future systems that have something else other than teletext maybe yeah but we are not putting some there is no no putting anything in in the place of teletext i dunno i am that is yeah and and yeah and and we are also marketing a product kay that is the problem it is what i am seeing is a is a mid range cost product so so w we can not go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing because all of a sudden we are going to have cost overruns yeah so if we drop if we are going to choose to drop teletext again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable so if we are keeping it basic we are loo loo what we are looking to sell it basically is it is just being very easy to use looking exceptionally good that sort of thing cause we really do not have anything else there do we yeah i do not i do not see it and to me if i am going to market a product for b for beauty for for design i am going to i am going to try to market it at a much higher price i need to make it special with a high price tag i do not want to make it economically g competitive i want i want to market it as exclusive so i would market this product it at €89 and come up with some really beautiful exterior design or something th but but i do not think we have that flexibility but i if design if design is cheap and functionality is basic then €25 is probably a high price for a commoner garden stan standard t v so the place remote the then the place we are going to justify that cost is through through design through making it a a sleek elegant high priced basic remote does that make sense huh no i no i i understand what you say but what i am what i am okay we probably need to move along but my my concern is trying to find a marketing niche for this product yeah we probably should we we are doing alright for time and if i am coming in with a with with €25 which is mid market price then what am i going to give these people for this yeah so that is just my question but we can keep talking okay sorry that kinda cut into you there well no just i i would i would advocate for continuing teletext and those would be the basic commands as for you know the the case design maybe i will come up with more concrete ideas right now it is just the idea of simplicity and slickness cute and small right i am just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there how many people how many people actually use every feature that ar you know i like these trainable remotes and things like that where you know it is just so confusing to do to use all these functions where i think the largest portion of the market is just going to you know they lost their t v remote they need another one that will work with their t v they want something that looks nice that that that is not going to break when they drop it that you know that maybe it is it is ergonomic it feels good in your hand something like that i think that is going to be where you are going to find the biggest you know market share so we are looking for something that looks good and just works rather than looking for any special features is that i think the more bells and whistles we add it is just going to cut into our into our profits yeah because i think as we as we add costs for things like for like if we add the voice recognition and things like that i think you know what percentage of the of the of the market is actually going to use that maybe 5% you know and how much yeah but we can talk a little bit more potentially in the marketing marketing presentation about this right yeah okay be a good idea i am sorry sorry i did not mean to cut in yeah sorry boss i am not the boss okay 0 p pedro i just want to say quickly i i would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles eh you know sell things come to my mind is something that is voice activated i know we are getting into some i hope some big money on this thing but i think that is probably a question more for is that for over here for this guy here yeah yeah okay alright well it is kinda both of us us us user interface is it that is okay cause and i think of voice activated i think of of how many times i have i have lost my my remote and i can not find it so some way that i can i can find my remote by clapping my hands or something and and so so but this is just something i was thinking about that then your lights would go off though i am trying to find some bells and whistles cause when they talk about tel taking out teletext it is like what are we going to put in what makes this thing attractive and it is only for televisions so we everyth our our competition out there has got these these multiple adaptors where they can use em for their v c r s their d v d s their their televisions and we are coming out with one remote for television only and so to me we have to make this a really special product i i i do not s i really have to say i do not see the market niche for this product yeah at this price i do not see it yet i am i i go along with this because this is what we are given to try to market but i i do not see the market niche for this product without without some really sort of something really special to identify it as as unique in the market but we th that should be design yeah that should be the design basically right i think technology we would we we are not in the price range to do it we do not have the money to do it towards t f technology so we should we should aim at design okay have to do you have to do it in the box yeah okay well so so that is up to you then to to make this box in something that is absolutely extraordinary yeah okay maybe make it in the form of a gun we can sell it in united states i have a question for you does any of the the features that pedro is spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about on in terms of just pure functionality in terms of making it work or the cost of that or i do not i think all these things are pretty standard i think we will be okay okay kay cheers onto participant 4 well you know for marketing f marketing for me is and how do i go here okay you can just click go go is that right no no no you just get off that you just click anywhere ah ha yeah what for me is it i d i do not know what i am marketing right now okay til you spoke and when i wrote this i do not know what i am marketing i just know that i i was identified as a a we identified ourselves as a as a developer as a manufacturer and as a as a distributor t to other wholesalers and so the th the €25 that we have identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price that is what we decided here so what i did is i i decided that that this this needs to be a product in a in a sense can market itself so what we have identified here as our main marketing stratagem is is in design we are making the most beautiful attractive whatever we decide it is so that means we have about 7 more minutes or 10 minutes left so i would like to have a product that that we can sell easily so i say inspiration so having something beauty something attractive something that in a sense will sell itself innovation i think fits into what we are talking about here with design cutting edge technology i do not think we are going to have that these were ideas i was putting together unless we come up with some new age product a as far as the casing is concerned i i want to make this thing something that i can identify as special in some way so maybe we can have some i i talked about environmentally sensitive maybe we have a product that can be identified in some way as advantageous in a home i do not know these are just thoughts i wanted to talk about who we are as a as a corporation that we are new we are aggressive we are competitive we are we are trying to provide a product from a new perspective rather than from an old corporate line so to me it is about selling d our identity our corporate identity along with the product what i found is that the projected costs are competitive we are kind of in the middle of the market but what i am seeing is that the market is ready for i i identified new technology but again because what i see is budget restrictions and limitations i do not know that we can bring any new technology into this thing if if we could have a technological something i have an idea p please and it is kind of along the s lines of environmentally sensitive and it may even fit into ergonomics and even kind of address the issue of losing losing the remote what we were saying it is a common issue what we can do is well you know that batteries throwing a aw remotes run through batteries like crazy solar yeah right and s for some people yeah well maybe not a solar remote but instead what about if we had like a power cradle but solar like a a cradle that is is there to hold the remote when you are not using it so you will always know where the remote is cause you have to put it back there to charge the remote and we can instead of having instead of having you know replaceable batteries we will just have a power cell that stays there for the life of the remote you never have to get go through the go through all these different batteries and also you can i i think it is a good opportunity for the user design or for not just for the user design but also for the just for the look and feel of the remote as as a whole you know you could have some kind of neat little you know a sexy design for d a cradle and the remote itself blah i like it i like the idea but we are talking about in cost is going to probably double it w it would increase the cost but boy we can sell this thing because there is no batteries it is environmentally sensitive i we can identify it as a safer product in some form and you could page the remote if you lose it maybe there is a button on the cradle yep that is right i really see but the cost i now the the question is can we make this for less than 1250 per no no no no we have t we have to change the end cost there is i mean i do not see it anyway we we well do we necessarily have to change the end cost because can we dl can we do that without changing it 1250 per product if we basically can sell more based on this yeah that is going to be up to these guys i my reaction is no but well what i can do is i can d look into ho well pedro and i can look into how much this might increase our our costs and you can look into what kind of effect an increased cost is going to have on our on our final numbers yeah we we can certainly push for a more expensive product if that is going to be well see i i see i i am an advocate to make this an exclusive product you know let us let us sell this wholesale for for €50 €60 let us make this thing really exclusive environmentally sensitive high tech design ergonomics all of this just make this thing yeah the the the rolls royce of of remote controls i i every home has got to have it if you do not have one hey what kind of remote do you have 0 you have got one of those 0 fantastic i want one of those too yeah i just do not have enough money right now i just do not know about that because in order to do that in order to price it at that kind of level i think we would need to have every functionality that all the other competitors are offering like being able to operate you know the d v d player and you know the stereo system and all that which is a pretty basic function that w we have opted out of and additionally we are m maybe not supporting teletext nah i think we can say with certainty now that we are supporting teletext but i do think there are some basic features that we do not have that a lot of other remotes are going to have yep 11 thing i do not understand is h they have they have given us this package okay now in my opinion we need to give them a package back okay they say they say okay here you go they gave us a fundament a foundation of of what they want and and w it is our place to kinda analyze and evaluate i do not think it is our place to create their product for them maybe it is i do not know what kind of role we have in this in the corporate ladder but to me it is like okay you have got your here is our ideas okay and then let them look at those ideas and they say yeah well we can we can raise the price 20% you know we like this idea this idea no but to me it is it is about a choice do we follow their directives or do we make presentations back and and then and then discuss beca i i do not i do not see the market niche for the product that they are handing f handing us right now i do not see it i don i i d i have to disagree though i think our market niche is basically people who need who have lost their remote or who have broken their remote and do not want to send back to the manufacturer they just want to run out to the store and get a remote and then they are going to look on the shelf and they are going to see ours is the nicest looking remote it does what they need these are not i i think that it and and th to get to back to another point sorry for cutting in but i th i think it is important to remember that that this remote has to work with multiple t v s yeah cause it is selling on its own right it is not going to be specifically for hitachi t v s or or whatever right right no i understand that so technologically if i understand it t v s t v remote is working exactly the same way as video remotes and d v d remotes all you need to do is train them to the individual one all you need to do is is know the the f like some 4 digit code so saying that it works with all t v s is equivalent to saying that it will work with d v d s and other things nope they have identified the product as not working for anything but televisions yeah y y you you would not they have identified this product limita that is why i say i do not i do not see the market niche for this 0 okay okay we have done this the interface will be different if we if w if we were going to have a product that worked for d v d s v c r s and everything i see then i can see the market niche but we we are only identified as going for televisions without teletext and it is like whoa we ha in my opinion we have to go with something that is extremely exclusive to make this thing marketable right well here is and i i would sorry because who wants just a television remote right i do not we he well here is my thing about that if you are in the market for this ultimate remote you are not going to go for just a television remote if it can not control if it can not control your your d v d player and a al if y if you can not get that all in one ultimate remote that is right that just you can throw all your other remotes away i am not going to buy a d €75 remote i i i have a tendency to agree with you i really do so we really can not chase that that is why i say i quest i q i question the marketability of the product i really question where we create the demand so i think what we so that is what i am saying we are really looking for something basic the the one thing that that that you said really struck a chord with me here in that we are we are carrying the corporate identity with the product but we are actually looking for a large profit at the same time where i would be inclined to go back to upper level management and say like let us just cut down our profit expected on this product because we are actually branding our company here we are selling more than just the product we are trying to get mind share about real reaction to to the people who are going to buy consumer electronics we want people to eventually say 0 that is that is real reaction that is a good m make it is reliable and and we are going to make it we are going to win mind share by either being a fantastic product or for it working it just being good reasonable priced and solid so if we can make if we can put an emphasis here on it not breaking i think that is in itself an extremely big thing i think that is big w okay if you if you drop the cost now if you make if you make go to the other side of the cost scale and you make it less expensive then all of a sudden now we are going into an a a new market area so we can say low cost good design beautiful wa da da da da da good design we only have a few minutes left but what i am saying is right now we are middle market is €25 a mid market price for a remote yeah for for multi for a multi function remote that is a mid market price okay i think so yeah in a discount right now you can buy em on sale sometimes for about about 18 €19 and that is for the multi functions d v d v c r catch alls okay and and they have em in a little box in the middle and and this is the consciousness that most people have about replacement remote controls so to me to market this a t only a television remote control we have to change consciousness we have to have something that will change people is thinking to identify this as advantageous and i do not know what that is it has got to be low cost or high cost with with special design features well i would be inclined to say if we can make the design better than any comparable remote while reducing the cost then that is the way we really should play it yeah if we can take it down to you know 15 rather than 25 and make a low profit margin on it but we are really doing that to sell the brand yep we have 5 minutes left rather th to to to sell for real reactions or my d and i can communicate this to to the more senior people within the company here to to get a reaction what about the idea that i had with the cradle how do you feel about that or how does everybody feel well how does everybody feel i mean i i well we g we are talking about the other end now i i think i like it i like the idea but we have t we have to find out no but i that is the thing i i do not think it is necessarily the other end the other the 0 the problem with that in my mind i just think off hand as a as a consumer would i want to buy that and i think maybe not because i have got a remote and i will take it to different chairs i will take it to different i w i do not want to go over somewhere and put it down it i if it is going to be somewhere that you put it down then it needs to be at the side of your armchair right and that implies that there is only one t v user so it is very good for some people but it is not a like well it lasts it would last for several hours on its own power but when you are done with it you put it back in the cradle but it it takes away the ease of use of the remote to a certain extent yeah well it you have to l sort of remember you have to d shift down the side of the couch to find it and put it back and yeah well i d i d i d i think it it in my mind it does not seem like something that 0 i would really want because of that fact but i i do not know that is just my opinion well i think again it is it we have a cost issue here you know if we are going to go in this direction to me we are going to the other side of the cost range are we going to make this selling selling the cost as a high high tech environmentally sensitive whatever or are we going to go to the lower side of the range again i do not see our market niche in the middle for our product yet i do not see it yet kay so what do we think maybe we should pedro do you have any opinion on it we should keep it simple medium low cost mar cost area and make it look good w a question i have in in a cause i i i think i agree with you on we got to make it a box the box is going to sell it i think the outside the casing really need to wrap up now can can can we have multiple designs have a modern have a traditional have a you know and so so instead of them all looking the same people can have maybe 4 or 5 different designs they can choose from i do not know what that creates cost or well the the problem with that is we may end up with a whole bunch of inventory of a of a poor design you know yep one over another yeah okay i hear that so yeah complicated but but what we could do is some kind of well i mean yeah we we need to i mean have a few designs to look at and then come up with something that i think we all agree is you know the best fit i think w what is really important is it has to look good it has to feel it has to feel good in your hand yeah it has to be durable it has to a and i think it is really important that it does not look cheap i think i think we have to make sure people look at it an and feel like it its like a quality remote yeah even though the cost may be low what ab what ab what about a a remote that is that does not maybe look like a remote just an idea just just okay cause i mean we all know what a remote looks like on the outside they are selling these things everywhere maybe that could be part of our design exclusivity is we make a remote that does not even look like a remote it it opens like a telephone or what if it looks like a pen does not matter yeah yeah i am just jus i talking about some something to make this thing unique a pointer it that is the thing i am going to keep thumping on yeah i will sell whatever you guys design yeah i do not have a problem selling a product that is not the issue i give you ideas you guys create the product once you have the finished product i will find a way to sell it do not worry about it i just give you these things now because these are my thoughts and feelings okay so just to touch on m my one last time that i had brought up i really un unless you guys are die hard against the fact that it is possible like it reduces the usability of the remote b and the fact that you can not lose it on your own i think it still might be a good idea to investigate having like a power cradle yeah okay yeah because i really think i in a certain sense it almost like for me i would want to have that just because i know at the end of when i am done watching t v that when i am done 0 i better go find the remote and put it back where it belongs maybe th th th that is just some people that like that i mean there is al there is also remote controls i remember that that worked a lot of people no no this has not been done in a while i think but th as a as a watch as a watch yeah there is remote control watches but i think they are a sorta 80s thing kay so it might not be easy to market in it but the the technologies came along and it might be cheaper to make now yeah they are not simple those things may have been inexpensive for all i know one thing i just thought about when you were saying that is that the p our target market is going to be someone who has lost or broken we got to stop that is what i was saying got to cut up who is lost or broken their their remote so how many remotes do they want to buy can we p can we sell them a remote that can maybe guarantee they will not need to buy another one exactly yeah and so with with with this kind of system or locator or something to to think about how have people been been losing or breaking their remote how does this happen the last remote you will ever buy and also presumably they have and and then and then design the product maybe some component of the product that can identify this as the last one you will ever need to buy well if if we are going down that then we can we do not need to go the it it strikes me that the locator feature might actually be quite expensive to make exactly yeah whereas actually just putting it in a power cradle might not be too expensive at all because that is just done with mobile phones you can just n we we have said we have actually similar products that we can take from and potentially cut costs there true right yeah the locator will definitely be more expensive need to look into whether we can do that but i think we we have some m mobile phone based products checking quickly our internet we really need to finish up here we can make it in the shape of a coffee pot but yeah we have the the power adaptor products we sell power adaptor products so for example there is nothing stopping us it is just it is that i think it is telling us to stop our meeting using that technology yeah so we have the c we probably have have on line in our in our system we have the ability to create this we are talking about yeah i think so without it being too in fact we can cut costs through using the manufacturing that is already going to be in place here a charging system right if if we can create this we have probably 5 or 6 or 7 really strong marketing characteristics right i think one of the things that we can put right on the box is never buy another battery okay yep you know something like that kay thanks guys yep no that is not what i want i want 0 look it here" ]

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[ "it was the paper it was the paper it was the paper maybe pedro who does not have to give a presentation we all do we can switch around is that okay with these okay all right to swap these no okay okay okay so and you will click for me and stuff like that so you can stay seated for years yeah okay i hate these things huh that is a great opportunity then to learn how to be patient and not my thing yeah yeah it is a new thing to learn there is not it yeah yeah sorry for holding us up boss a couple of the tech guys got a little delayed there it is all right i understand you guys have a lot work today that is right we certainly do boss me i am not technical enough to work a clip which clearly does not work damn this thing yeah well we understand why you are a project manager and not technical director do not we yes we do 0 that is meant to be in there aha i see 0 0 cheers guys okay so we are here to talk about functional design now hopefully we have all got a better idea from than we did leaving the last meeting as to what it is we are up to now so here is an agenda i will open you should know that i will be taking minutes during all the meetings as i was struggling to it last time and that will be easier for me now because i am not actually giving the whole presentation the additional points are just the stuff that was sent that i forwarded on from upper management having a few bright ideas to make our lives painful now you can all give your presentations we can talk about the requirements and hopefully come to some decisions right 40 minutes for this meeting so a bit more time than the last one here is the additional points i just wanted to put those in there to see if you are you guys had any comments on them did you all receive that email yeah so does anyone have any overall well what comes up for me is that if we are going to be marketing a product that is going to be having no teletext people are very comfortable with the idea of having teletext and using teletext and so we are not we are going to be we are going to be a new product without something that people are very comfortable having right now so that is from a marketing perspective i see a lack and so we have to go i think in the other direction what are we going to have that makes this thing better that 1st point could also be an opportunity because in saying that teletext is becoming outdated some sort of remote control that can work with the internet there is the opportunity that is presented i guess i agree with you so what i am talking about is i see that one side we are eliminating something so we have to to come up with another side which is what are we going to be targeting our market that identifies our product as better than because it does not have teletext it has dot da da so that is that was my reaction yeah but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television so we are quite fixed so we are really probably in terms of marketing are looking for something that is a cost winner rather than a fantastic new featured product okay but we are designing only the remote we are not designed the tv so we are going to be removing the tele decks out of any tv that people use our remote with that is right it is kind of a stupid there is also the potential for market there is a market here for lost teletext for example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement once it is cheap as possible but €25 is a selling price we really have to innovate here i guess that is what i am talking about is that we have to find something that is going to be very attractive about this product because some people are going to be unhappy because they can not access their teletext okay because we are talking about 80% or 90% or 95% of the televisions out there are teletext yeah so it is nothing i am criticizing the product at all it is just when we eliminate that then what do we bring what are we bringing to take the place of this and in my opinion we have to double up if we lose one we need to bring 2 or 3 okay i think that last point is probably quite straightforward obviously it has to be branded so the double r will be on the product yeah can you handle that black and yellow i think rolls royce might mind but do not worry i think yeah one of the things that we should also keep in mind when we are doing this i mean our company is slogan is we put the fashion in electronics right so i think our kind of our target here is to have some kind of very like sleek nice looking remote and we want it to be functional as well but i think one of the main selling points is we do not want it to be clunky like this thing here you know we do not want a big clunker we want something that looks nice and it is fashionable so you have this so we have 3 presentations and i think we will go in order of participant number here so we can have a look at the working design 1st and participant 2 that is yes that is fine okay okay so i have that to click it on with so you all know me i am the industrial designer and we have some basic components that our remote is going to need just basically every remote will need them we need some kind of power source we have to decide on our user interface which is his department but the user interface is also a major component we need a programmable digital signal processor to take the input from the user and translate that into electronic signal which we pass to the infrared led which you aim at the television and it receives that signal you need an off switch i do not know how that got in there and we also need to have the if we want a universal remote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of tvs so we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that i will require some memory as well so here is just a basic layout of how how the remote would work you have the the power sources in the upper right hand corner there and you can see that we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all of our signal processing and then passes that signal on to the infrared led and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo transistor so those are the basic components that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much open to move around that is would just be considered just a standard this is not cutting edge technology we are talking here we are talking about existing technology right nothing has been modified or upgraded or new discoveries this is just a basic layout of all the components that are going to be absolutely necessary to have a working remote we can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition i mean that i mean that you can kind of say would would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip do we have an idea of costs of different components well the most costly components are going to be the chip and the it could also basically the user interface and the casing are going to be expensive as well the led and the transistors and everything else are you know they are pretty cheap so depending on what we want our functionality to be the chip could be expensive or it could be cheap depending on the amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and you know do we have any ballpark figures for that yet i do not have any figures right now okay we have to wait until we get to the more specific design phase for yeah but and i think a significant part of the cost could be the actual the actual casing itself and and you know the the the the the buttons and things like that the shell yeah basically yeah okay okay so yeah that is all i have really okay thanks and we have participant 3 which i believe is pedro i i can give you that to click on 00 pardon bupon and you want to get we were fighting over it it was more a lot of fun you slide show i think that is what you want to do yeah just go up to view click down here okay this does not work so yeah function design you guys know me pedro and what i have found is we want to do fashion and i think honestly we should keep technology low low and just simple basically and try to aim for design basically a case will cost the same if it looks good or bad so we have to make it look good something cute and small the big chanku remotes are dead in the 80s so we should just go for something that people like to actually look at and although most people will buy televisions and everything that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly end up using simple functions and little things and most of the people will not get too mad of actually having to go to the television to for instance tune in their stations there is no need to have that in the remote so as for what i would recommend for the interface design and i will change the on the logo but we should go for the user oriented device so simple controls and good ergonomics and although i am still here recommending the teletext so i will remove that i guess but we should go for the i think what the management recommendation was less that there is a worry that teletext would become outdated rather than we should not have it so i still think if it is cheap enough functionality to include it really should be in there because otherwise we are just going to i mean even if it is necessary or not if you are given the choice between a remote with teltex or without when it really if it is not more expensive for us to make because as far as i understand it it can be operated with the same set of buttons yeah right as far as it should be in there it is just the cost of an extra button i mean software rise there is really no difference okay i have maybe a silly question in the very beginning it said with the advent of computers there is going to be outmoded teletext i do not understand how those 2 things are connected how does computers and teletext why is one eliminating the need of the other i do not understand that well maybe what we are getting into here is the idea of internet through the tv for example so that may play on what we can do they are basically aiming at saying that you would use you know a couple years ago tax would be the easiest way to check like for scheduling in the next program and stuff like that and not what what you are watching even if there is commercials you know okay and now you can look at the internet but i still think that tax is very convenient until until we have the same commodities yeah because yeah i just i do not see the crossover between computers and television i mean i do see the crossover in some sense but it is not happening well but the remote is it is used for television okay so so if we make to cross over and we are going to view television on computers then we are losing the necessity of the remote well there is for example in digital tv systems you have you can press a button and you can buy things in adverts and you can view through a catalog for example a family member of mine has got a system where you just you can and there is other features for example in other systems where you can pause live tv and things like that it just features from the internet from computers that are coming into the tv are under the covers but you still use it through a teletext so things to think here are that there is going to be more functionality yeah but we are not aiming to command for that that is the thing all of those require other commands with more complexity and more software i think a lot of that is proprietary anyways you are not going to be able to command at ev with our remote i do not think but still there is an opportunity if it is for example a trainable one then we just simply having like an up down left right an ok button or something like that might do as well in future proofing it yeah but we would increase the price to try to make it a trainover one okay well i do not know one way or the other teletext was there but i guess we can remove it or you know make 2 separate i think if it is possible you should try to you know have to talk with management about that just you know i do not see the logic i do not see the logic in elimination of teletext i just i am not a tech mind either i just do not see the crossover between computers and because we are just designing something for a television i will communicate that back to those guys and the message we really want to be sending to them is that although teletext may become outdated there is no logic in not having it in there anyway if it does not affect the price we are selling it to an existing market but i think what they are pushing is towards here is in terms of thinking of ways to future proof our system for future systems that have something else other than teletext maybe yeah but we are not putting anything in the place of television in the place of teletext yeah and we are also marketing a product what i am seeing is a mid range cost product so we can not go and pump a whole bunch of technology into this thing because all of a sudden we are going to have cost overruns so if we are going to choose to drop teletext again what are we adding to the product that makes it marketable so if we are keeping it basic what we are looking to sell it basically is it is just being very easy to use looking exceptionally good that sort of thing because we really do not have anything else there do we i do not i do not see it and to me if i am going to market a product for for beauty for for design i am going to i am going to try to market it at a much higher price i need to make it special with a high price tag i do not want to make it economically competitive i want i want to market it as exclusive so i would market this product it at €89 and come up with some really beautiful exterior design something that but but i do not think we have that if design is cheap and functionality is basic then €25 is probably a high price for a common or garden standard tv so the place we are going to justify that cost is through design through making it a sleek elegant high priced basic remote does that make sense no i understand what you are saying but what i am okay we probably need to move along my concern is trying to find a marketing niche for this product and if i am coming in with €25 which is mid market price then what am i going to give these people for this so that is just my question but we can keep talking okay sorry can i cut into you there no i would advocate for a continual teletext and those would be the basic commands as for really the case of design maybe i will come up with more concrete ideas right now it is just the idea of simplicity and slickness cute and small i am just thinking you know with all these universal remotes that are out there how many people actually use every feature that are you know like these trainable remotes and things like that where you know it is just so confusing to do to use all these functions where i think the largest portion of the market is just going to you know they lost their tv remote they need another one that will work with their tv they want something that looks nice that is not going to break when they drop it that maybe it is ergonomic it feels good in your hand something like that i think that is going to be where you are going to find the biggest market share so we are looking for something that looks good and just works rather than looking for any special features i think the more bells and whistles we add it is just going to cut into our profits because i think as we add costs for things like if we had the voice recognition and things like that i think you know what percentage of the market is actually going to use that maybe 5% well we can talk a lot more potentially in the marketing presentation about this yeah okay be a good idea sorry i am sorry i did not mean to cut it sorry boss i am not the boss okay pedro i just want to say quickly i would really like it when you can come up with some more bells and whistles huh you know things come to my mind is something that is voice activated i know we are getting into some big money on this thing i think that is probably a question more for is that for over here yeah yeah okay well that is kind of both of us use the interface and i think of voice activated i think of how many times i have lost my remote and i can not find it so some way that i can find my remote by clapping my hands or something and so so but that is just something i am trying to find some bells and whistles because when they talk about taking out teletext it is like what are we going to put in what makes this thing attractive and it is only for televisions so our competition out there has got these multiple adapters where they can use them for their vcrs their dvds their televisions and we are coming out with one remote for television only and so to me we have to make us a really special product i really have to say i do not see the market niche for this product at this price i do not see it yet i go along with this because this is what we are given to try to market but i do not see the market niche for this product without something really special to identify it as unique in the market well that should be designed yeah yeah that should be the design basically i think technology we are not in the price range to do it we do not have the money to do it towards technology so we should do it in the box yeah okay well so that is up to you then to make this box in something that is just absolutely extraordinary maybe make it in the form of a gun we can sell it in the united states i have a question for you does any of the features that pedro has spoken about here have any implications we might not have thought about in terms of just pure functional functionality i do not work or the cost of that i think all these things are pretty standard i think will be okay okay cheers and to it has been you know for marketing marketing for me is and how do i go here how do i go here okay you can just go go no no you just get off that you just click anywhere huh yeah what for me is it i do not know what i am marketing right now okay until you spoke and when i wrote this i do not know what i am marketing i just know that i was identified as a we identified ourselves as a developer as a manufacturer and as a distributor to other wholesalers and so the €25 that we have identified as the sale price is a wholesale price rather than a retail price that is what we decided here so what i did is i decided that this needs to be a product in a sense can market itself so what we have identified here as our main marketing stratagem is in design we are making the most beautiful attractive whatever we decide it is so that means we have about 7 more minutes or 10 minutes left so i would like to have a product that we can sell easily so i say inspiration so having something beauty something attractive something that in a sense will sell itself innovation i think fits into what we are talking about here with design cutting edge technology i do not think we are going to to have that these were ideas i was putting together unless we come up with some new age product as far as the casing is concerned i want to make this thing something that i can identify as special in some way so maybe we can have some i talked about environmentally sensitive maybe we have a product that can be identified in some way as advantageous in the home i do not know these are just thoughts i wanted to talk about who we are as a corporation that we are new we are aggressive we are competitive we are trying to provide a product from a new perspective rather than from an old corporate line so to me it is about selling our identity our corporate identity along with the product what i found is that the projected costs are competitive we are kind of in the middle of the market but what i am seeing is that the market is ready for i identified new technology but again because what i see is budget restrictions and limitations i do not know that we can bring any new technology into this thing if we could have a technological something i have an idea please and it is kind of along this lines of environmentally sensitive and it may even fit into ergonomics and even kind of address the issue of losing the remote what we were saying is a common issue what we can do is well you know that batteries throwing a run through batteries like crazy yeah right and solar for some people yeah well maybe not a solar remote but instead what about if we had like a power cradle like a cradle that is is there to hold the remote when you are not using it so you will always know where the remote is because you have to put it back there to charge the remote and we can instead of having instead of having you know replaceable batteries we will just have a power cell that is there for the life of the remote you never have to get go through the go through all these different batteries and also you can i think it is a good opportunity for the user design or for not just for the user design but also for the just for the look and feel of the remote as a whole you know you could have some kind of neat little you know a sexy design for a cradle in the remote itself well i like it i like the idea but we are talking about in cost is going to probably double it would increase the cost but boy we can sell this thing because there is no batteries it is environmentally sensitive we can identify it as a safer product in some form and you could page the remote if you lose it maybe there is a button on the cradle yeah that is right i really see now the question is can we make this for less than $1250 no no we have to change the in cost i do not see it anyway i do not necessarily have to change the end cost because can we do that without changing it $1250 per product if we basically can sell more based on this yeah that is going to be up to these guys well my reaction is no what i can do is i can look into how well pedro and i can look into how much this might increase our costs and you can look into what kind of effect and increased cost is going to have on our final numbers yeah they can certainly push for a more expensive product well see i am an advocate to make this an exclusive product you know let us sell this thing wholesale for €50 €60 let us make this thing really exclusive environmentally sensitive high tech design ergonomics all of this just make this thing yeah the rolls royce of remote controls every home has got to have if you do not have one hey what kind of remote do you have 0 you have got one of those 0 fantastic i want one of those too i just do not have enough money right now i just do not know about that because in order to do that in order to in order to price it at that kind of level i think we would need to have every functionality that all the other competitors are offering like being able to operate you know the dvd player and you know the stereo system and all that which is a pretty basic function that we have opted out of and additionally we are maybe not supporting teletext i think we can see with certainty now that we are supporting teletext but i do think there are some basic features that we do not have that a lot of other remotes are going to have one thing i do not understand is they have given us this package okay now in my opinion we need to give them a package back okay they say okay here you go they gave us a fundament a foundation of what they want and it is our place to kind of analyze and evaluate i do not think it is our place to create their product for them maybe it is i do not know what kind of role we have in the corporate ladder but to me it is like okay you have got your here is our ideas okay and then let them look at those ideas and they say yeah well we can we can raise the price 20% you know we like this idea this idea no but to me it is about a choice do we follow their directives or do we make presentations back and then discuss because i do not see the market niche for the product that they are handing us right now i do not see it i have to disagree though i think our market niche is basically people who who have lost their remote or have broken their remote and do not want to send back to the manufacturer they just want to run out to the store and get a remote and then they are going to look on the shelf and they are going to see ours is the nicest looking remote it does what they need these are not i think that and to get back to another point sorry for cutting in but i think it is important to remember that this remote has to work with multiple tvs yeah because it is selling on its own it is not going to be specifically for hitachi tvs i understand it so technologically if i understand it tv remotes working exactly the same way as video remotes and dvd remotes all you need to do is train them to the individual one or all you need to do is no like some 4 digit code so saying that it works with all tvs is equivalent to saying that it will work with dvds no they have identified the product as not working for anything with television they have identified as product limit that is why i say i do not see the market niche for this if we were going to have a product that worked for dvds vcrs and everything then i can see the market niche but we are only identified as going for televisions without teletext and it is like in my opinion we have to go with something that is extremely exclusive to make this thing marketable because who wants just a television remote i do not well here is my thing about that if you are in the market for this ultimate remote you are not going to go for just a television remote if it can not control your dvd player if you can not get that all in one ultimate remote that just you can throw all your other remotes away i am not going to buy a 75 year 0 remote i have a tendency to agree with you i really do that is why i say i question the marketability of the product i really question where we create the demand we are really looking for something basic the one thing that you said really struck a chord with me here in that we are carrying the corporate identity with the product but we are actually looking for a large profit at the same time where i would be inclined to go back to upper level management and say let us just cut down our profit expected on this product because we are actually branding our company here we are selling more than just the product we are trying to get mindshare about real reaction to the people who are going to buy consumer electronics we want people to eventually say 0 that is real reaction that is a good make it is reliable and we are going to make we are going to win mindshare by either being a fantastic product or for it working it just being good reasonable priced and solid so if we can put an emphasis here on it not breaking i think that is in itself i think that is big okay so if you drop the cost now if you make if you make go to the other side of the cost scale and you make it less expensive then all of a sudden now we are going into a new market area so we can say low cost good design beautiful but what i am seeing is right now we are middle market it is €25 a mid market price for a remote yeah for multi for multi function remote that is a mid market price in a discount right now you can buy them on sale sometimes for about about 18 €19 and that is for the multi functions dvd vcr catchalls and and they have them in the little box in the middle and and this is the consciousness that most people have about replacement remote controls so to me to market just only a television remote control we have to change consciousness we have to have something that will change people is thinking to identify this as advantageous and i do not know what that is it has got to be low cost or high cost with special design features well i would be inclined to say if we can make the design better than any comparable remote while reducing the cost then that is the way we really should play it yeah if we can take it down to 15 rather than 25 and make a low profit margin on it but we are really doing that to sell the brand we have 5 minutes left rather to sell for real reactions and i can communicate this to the more senior people within the company here to get reactions what about the idea that i had with the cradle how do you feel about that or how does everybody feel it we are talking about the other end now i like it i like the idea but we have to find out i do not think it is necessarily the other end the problem with that in my mind i just think offhand as a consumer would i want to buy that and i think maybe not because i have got a remote and i will take it to different chairs i will take it to different i do not want to go over somewhere and put it down if it is going to be somewhere that you put it down then it needs to be at the side of your armchair and that implies that there is only one tv user so it is very good for some people it would last for several hours on its own power but when you are done with it you put it back in the critical but it takes away the ease of use of the remote to a certain extent you have to sort of remember you have to shift down the side of the couch to find it and put it back and i think in my mind it does not seem like something that 0 i really want because of that fact but i do not know that is just my opinion well i think again we have a cost issue here if we are going to go in this direction to me we are going to the other side of the cost range are we going to make this selling the cost as a high tech environmentally sensitive whatever are we going to go to the lower side of the range again i do not see our market niche in the middle for our product yet i do not see it yet so what do we think maybe we should pedro do you have any opinion on it we should keep it simple medium low cost area and make it look good a question i have in because i think i agree with you on we got to make it the box the box is going to sell it i think the outside of the casing can we have multiple designs have a modern have a traditional have a you know and so instead of them all looking the same people can have maybe 4 or 5 different designs they can choose from i do not know what that creates cost or well the problem with that is we may end up with a whole bunch of inventory of a yeah one over another yeah okay i hear that so complicated a bit but what we could do is some kind of well i mean yeah we need to i mean have a few designs to look at and then come up with something that i think we all agree is know the best fit i think what is really important is it has to look good it has to feel it has to feel good in your hand it has to be durable it has to and i think it is really important that it does not look cheap i think i think we have to make sure that people look at it and feel like it it is like a quality remote even though the cost maybe what about a remote that does not maybe look like a remote just an idea just okay because i mean we all know what a remote looks like on the outside they are selling these things everywhere maybe that could be part of our design exclusivity as we make a remote that does not even look like a remote it opens like a telephone or what if it looks like a pen it does not matter yeah i am just talking about something to make this thing unique that is the thing i am going to keep thumping on i will sell whatever you guys designed i do not have a problem selling a product that is not the issue i give you ideas you guys create the product once you have the finished product i will find a way to sell it do not worry about it i just give you these things now because these are my thoughts and feelings so just to touch on my one last time that i had brought up i really unless you guys are die hard against the fact that it is possible like it reduces the usability of the remote in the fact that you can not lose it on your own i think it still might be a good idea to investigate having a power cradle because i really think in a certain sense it almost like for me i would want to have that just because i know at the end of when i am done watching tv that when i am done 0 i better go find the remote and put it back where it belongs maybe that is just some people that like that there is also remote controls i remember that worked this has not been done in a while i think but as a watch as a watch yeah there was remote control watches but i think there are sort of 80s things so it might not be easy to market in it but the technologies came along that it might be cheaper to make now those things might have been expensive for all i know one thing i just thought about when you were saying that is it our target market is going to be someone who has lost or broken that is what i was saying who is lost or broken they are remote so how many remotes do they want to buy can we sell them a remote that can maybe guarantee they will not need to buy another one and so with this kind of system or a locator or something to think about how have people been losing or breaking their remotes how does this happen and then design the product maybe some component of the product that can identify this as the last one you will ever need to be well if we are going down that then we do not need to go it strikes me that the locator feature might actually be quite expensive to make whereas actually just putting it in the power cradle might not be too expensive at all because that is just done with mobile phones we have actually similar products that we can take from and potentially cut costs there we need to look into whether we can do that but i think we have some mobile phone based products checking quickly or internet we really need to finish up here we could make it in the shape of a coffee pot yeah we have the power adapter products we sell power adapter products so for example there is nothing stopping us i think it is telling us to stop our meeting so we probably have online in our system we have the ability to create this we are talking about yeah that is not without it being to in fact we can cut costs through using the manufacturing that is already going to be in place here if we can create this we have probably 5 or 6 or 7 really strong marketing characteristics i think one of the things that we can put right on the box never buy another battery yeah you know something like that okay thanks guys no that is no that is no one i want my mic fell off a bit 0 look you here we have to leave i do not but i do not want to leave i like it i am going to" ]

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[ "0 du okay thanks for coming to this meeting hm s how we doing on our remote we have some we have some ideas and some ideas for what people want we yes s i have lo i have done the role that i was asked to do anyway yeah i think alright let us just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting see if i can not get things moving along here a little bit better i will go over what we went over last time which should not take long then i believe each of you have a presentation i have was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote what they want then we can come to a conclusion on what we want the remote to do and how it is going to do it hopefully and then we will have the closing which we will have 40 minutes for let us see the last meeting we went over who was responsible for what i am responsible for leading the meetings keeping the notes and coming up with the final presentation corinne is our marketing expert she is going to figure out what what the consumer wants ryan is our user interface designer and manuel is the industrial designer so you are going to come up with the ideas ryan and you are going to pick em apart we decided our remote we want it to be a universal remote that everyone would want we want to be modern fun different it needs to be sturdy easy to find so we going to have that locator function and we want to be different and then we went over a couple of different ideas ball shaped phone the keyboard shape we decided that it should probably be one handed something we could use with one hand and that was our last meeting so why do not do each of you have a presentation yep okay i will hand it off to you and does anyone do you want to go 1st sure so we can maybe see what what the people want what was it function 8 f 8 f 8 well how do i get it slide show to go to the next one 0 right right right yeah you click on that guy that one yeah okay alright well this is my report which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that i was sent 0 gosh i have no idea g just press the arrow keys i think usually goes to it okay sorry i actually need to see something else on my screen hit f 8 again yeah i think and then again yeah you want it to be on both screens or just just yours no i want something else on mine is that possible yeah but i think you have to hit escape and then you can yeah okay but now you do not have that 0 hit f 8 again sorry guys i know i did the same thing and then it should come up here shortly kay so is there no way i can give you the slideshow and i think 0 give us the slideshow and something on your screen have something yeah yeah 0 well i am not sure you could maybe minimize that screen and then yeah have them both up at the same time i think it is okay okay so 1st of all the method that i used was by doing some marketing research by doing research on some interviews that were conducted and then some internet research and i was sent a report that was i think there were a 100 remote users that they interviewed and so i will show you some of the results from that which i think will be helpful okay here are some of the findings they said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls and 75% of the users find their remote controls to be ugly which is a fairly significant number i would say and 80% of the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy so i think that earlier we were onto something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look i think that is definitely important they say that current remote controls do not match well the operating behavior of the user 75% of users said they zap a lot and if anyone could clarify what that means zap does that just mean like changing the channel is is it j just just just using it yeah just jus yeah okay and 50% of the users say that they are only using 10% of the buttons on their remote control and there was something else they kept track of the frequency per hour in using certain buttons and some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all of course channel selection is used the most frequently and then teletext was the next volume and then power and then audio settings and screen settings and channel settings were practically never used so i think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button the biggest user frustrations as we said 50% of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere and so i think a tracking device of some sort would be a good idea they said it take 34% said it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote and 26% said that the controls are bad for r s i a repetitive strain injury what is it just repetitive strain injury i think okay that is what i guess okay and so bas okay as far as speech recognition goes the younger group looks like they are all for it from the 15 to 25 age group over 90% said they would pay more and it kind of just went down incrementally the groups at the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay so maybe we could discuss this and think and decide if we think it is worth investing in this at least if we are targeting the younger groups and so in conclusion some things that i drew from this are that i think we were correct we definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore so you only have one rather than 5 different remotes sitting all over your room we need to simplify the remote and reduce the number of buttons get rid of the ones that do not seem to be serving much purpose and then lastly i thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition and that is it kay very nice now we actually have some ideas of what what people want what we should focus on wait can i look at that real quick 0 yeah sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed yeah kay having just listened to what corinne just said i will draw on some of the things as well some things that sort of relevant to what i want to say kay so i am just going to yeah approach the technical functions design the method i used was to explore the technical functions of a remote control and t s simplest approach that i came to is is to change program and operate an electronic device remotely i mean that is an obvious thing to say but it is not attached to the device that you want to control i had some things sent to me not very much to look at similar devices defined in some them and then the personal preferences that i will suggest we discussed a universal one like it is just been brought up again then but i think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it because you would need to know all the spef specifications of a all the like electronic companies i am not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself but you have to i they are a nightmare to use you have to set them reset them to everything and that would only add buttons whereas i think the aim is to take away buttons so i think it would be better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for t v s or maybe just one that you could we could design and then different people manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications if if the aim is to get something that is unique in design okay here here is just 2 pictures of remote controls they are just simple t v remote controls but one is user centered that is the one on the left and you can straight away see there is less buttons and the other one is engineer centered where that is more specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it is trying to control which appeals more to the product that we want and on what the have said and the market research and stuff probably looking at something that should be user centered fewer buttons simpler to use and if 10% is hidden away if 10% is what is used maybe the other 50% the buttons that are used very rarely like programming they could be hidden maybe under some remote controls you might have come across have maybe a little flip thi thing where they are hidden away and the main buttons are the ones you or the ones you come across and finally sort i have sort of covered that our product i think should be user interface orientated like i said to concentrate on t v remote control a universal remote might be too complex and as what it the major findings market researchers have said it is the image and the appearance that people di dislike so that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend and then and change the fashion of remote controls and that is it cable there thank you what was your last conclusion on that one focus on the i on something on the image of it the image of it the f the actual design kay good good okay going to talk to you about the working design of the interiors basically which is what dictates the design the both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs to go in there right so unfortunately the people who were supposed to do this little presentation for me obviously were too drunk to actually accomplish it so i am going to do a lot of the stuff on the board just this is the basic basic premise of a remote control the basic function is to send messages to another system okay so much is clear an energy source feeds an integrated circuit like a chip that can compose messages often in the form of infrared bits this is the most mostly used there is also some sound systems but infrared is the better or the more more used system parts are cheaper as well a user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages this is where my people screwed up basically so i am going to explain that on the board rather what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there we will start with an energy source right which is usually a battery right since it is not feasible to add a cable to that this energy source of course is connected to the the user interface itself which can be buttons whatever which in fact controls a chip right this is the user interface and there we have the chip the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp that sends out the signal of course the signal differs accordingly depending on what the chip tells the infrared lan lamp and of course that is controlled the chip itself is controlled by the user interface the way you normally normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp to the whole thing as well so that you know that it is working basically you press something you get a response which is also comparatively important on one of those devices now this what we are talking about here or what i think should be discussed are these 2 components mostly the the energy source for one thing can be altered what we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared the sending device basically the infrared lamp we cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp right these 2 are components that we have to use and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing the lamp can be put onto the desi the device it c it does not have to be there this can be discussed as well the user interface that is something we can also discuss as we have heard speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment speech recognition interface we do not know that or if we just do the usual button thing or we have a touch pad or something like that that is something we can discuss and of course the energy source batteries solar cells who knows of course it is always a question whether these these components are in fact available cheap enough developed enough but that is like i s i suppose rather up to marketing and not to so we could the the the more complex we make it of course the more expensive to the industrial design department expensive it is going to be get yeah but people have said that they would well younger generations of people have said that they would pay more for a speech recognition remote so right possibly it might be worth the investment i think speech recognition was one of those things where they have to be really good for them to work cause sometimes you find yourself just saying things over and 0 if it is on your phone yeah i agree and you need to sort of take into light languages and then different dialects i suppose as well well i myself i find when you h when there is something like spee speech recognition like you call on the phone and you try to change your telephone or power or something sometimes they have a a speech recognition on the other end and you say one for this yeah and you find yours like you said saying the same thing over and over and over i find myself especially if i am in a crowd of people looking really silly yeah so maybe if you are sitting on your couch with a bunch of people then and wou i do not know if would would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff you know you if you were watching something would you sort of be wanting volume up volume down yeah change the channel you know channel up channel down i i do not know another thing about these figures is 91% of the youngest age groups said they would do it but probably a lot of them that is actually their parents money like i do not know if they would actually go out and purchase this themselves a 15 year old you know i think as well it would be j the gimmick factor for the younger people yeah but practically i do not think it is it is a it is a gimmick factor that they like at 1st and yeah it will wear off gets old yeah okay let us see here do you want to put your cord back in yeah i guess so 0 right trade you go now i was sent a couple of things to modify our new requirements the remote is only going to be for the television which is good because we already decided y your your research showed that not only is a universal remote more complicated it is more cost more costly and your re research showed that you know most of the people do not even use it i think you said 50% of the people only use half the or 10% of the buttons so if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem no teletext so we do not have to worry about that but we do have to use the the company wants us to incorporate the corporate color and our slogan which is we put the fashion in electronics and our corporate colors are gray and yellow and we could probably get away with black too but so those are the 3 the 3 new requirements that that i was told we need to use from all all 3 of your presentations i think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting we want something that looks good we want something that is simple we want something that you can find easily and the speech recognition i i guess is kind of give or take it is going to cost more s the young the younger people say that they like it but it is probably i would say probably not worth the investment at this point in time so maybe we should just do away with speech recognition and that way we can focus on our form i did have have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing is that if it came with maybe a holder or holster whatever you want to call it that you you should put it back in your remote but if you do not put it back in you press something like a little button on that and that just sort of sends out a beep to find where it is or something just by infrared that should not be too complex i would have thought that would be that would be good if we were going with our our ball yeah it would be quite good the ball could sit on a or or with you know i guess with any form that that would be good you know that could be the charger for you know we could use rechargeable batteries in the remote yeah and that would be or solar or you know however however you wanted to go about it the holder could also be the charging unit yeah with the locator button and if it were the ball you would no longer have to have a flat space on it yeah like if we still have the how to hold on to it and well you still do you s you still w yeah you put it on t on the couch table rolls away yeah while you are watching it is going to roll off it is going to roll away so that is not an issue really so i guess after the meeting we will have some questionnaires and and some summaries for for what is going on then we will take lunch then we can come back and work on our individual work i will do the minutes let us see it looks like you are already on your way for working with the components chips the what chips we need and what you know how to power it and whatnot user interface concept we want it to be something simple yeah minimal number of buttons i guess our i guess our main main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look you know yeah right that is did you have time earlier to to work on that did you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done not really i will yeah i will have a look try look at the actual appearance in the next break kay i th i i do still think it needs to be something that is ultimately one handed the ball is probably not a good idea and even something that is held like that might be difficult so that i think it still has to be a variation on maybe a a rect on a rectangle but maybe not necessarily as boring as plain as a rectangle shall we maybe shoot for a a specific target group that way we could l i mean if it were if we were shooting for young guys then it is a certain look to the remote or girls or older people would that you think that would help us find a specific form that we would would want to pick out d i do not know if that might cope with like the trend watching i find anything more on that yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we will have some info on that kay so we know that the remote is going to have to be we will just say we have got a color scheme for it yeah yellow and you know yellow it is nice and bright with the buttons being gray or black and our slogan pasted somewhere on it on the the bottom or the you know bottom perhaps yeah maybe we could sketch a so basically all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort you know maybe we could flare it or something you know so it is more of course this will look like a bone then go ahead and erase this hope everyone memorized that you i mean it might be to look at sort of the the shape and trend of like things like mobile phones and the shapes that the they have been going yeah yeah they have gone from big brick block things which is a remote control is to sort of slinky small things yeah everybody has got a mobile phone right except for me now but they are all you know mobile phones they have kind of taken a turn to where they are really small yeah which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time right but then again you do not want you know like the 1st mobile phone that was this big and you had a handbag to carry it around in so we have got basically what remotes look like now is kind of what we are what we are stuck with maybe we could go with a square or something hm you know with minimal number of buttons i guess you have got you know one through 9 for typing in your channels you have got volume up and down channel up and down power power usually at the top a mute that is the classical design that is that is pretty much all you need i think a menu button maybe right so you know if you if we want the remote to do other things like or i guess the t v to be able to change the tint and the color and you know all those kind of things that are built into t v s we just have that under one standard menu button where you go in press the menu button scroll up and down to select it yeah yeah talking of which maybe a scrolling function is not not too bad kay so it is talk about maybe f look at that from the side there maybe which is technically the easiest option would probably be like a scrolling little scrolling wheel like this yeah yeah yeah like a wheel on your mouse so yeah sort of like that sort of you can even if we are coming from mice we can even add a click function where you in order to verify the information you just press it down right is a good idea also when it comes to the ergonomics of the whole thing if you want to make it square for the looks of it then maybe to make it more comfortable to hold the whole thing you add a little bulge down here just which maybe from an engineering point this could be holding the the batteries and so on i know you know what i am getting at here fel look at it from the side look g yeah looks good it is like that right then you hold it in your hand like this and maybe you bring the buttons nearer to the or the imp more important buttons nearer to the to the side yes s to the thumb to the thumb yeah yeah right maybe the buttons could like decrease in s the bigger ones you know they could actually be bigger in size than the ones that are less important the smaller here right you can also have it maybe talking about mobile phones again sliding open yeah with the lesser used functions on this part and then it slides into that part behind definitely just like 0 on a sort of side view and out something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better so you know you just sort of have your hand well i was just thinking this this of course causes yeah right on the and your thumb would be up here type thing causes a problem for left or right handed people actually yeah that is also true so instantly sort of always going for the right handed person right but i mean the older so yeah is everyone who in here is right handed left handed right you guys all right handed right right handed yeah yeah so i am left handed but i so i can say that most things are designed for right handed people huh that is right like the written language or english maybe you could buy like a special left handed version of the remote maybe ow special order i would say i mean it should be probably designed for a right handed p person yeah but that is that is good that is w i think we have got a kind of a good plan there at least for what buttons we are going to use so we have got i like the scroll the scroll action and the i mean i am just just thinking maybe if it was circular with the sort of that sort of the sort of early idea we had with the way that was more like that whereas this is just a one handed thing that you sort of almost wrap round the thumb so you would have your you would put your hand into there with the thumb there and then your thumb would do you would have all the buttons sort of round here and that i think could work yeah on any hand kinda like holding a if you just had it like wrapped round there left or right right that minimizes it size wise as well minimize its size it could be you know really quite small then there is maybe another point of making it a 2 in one kind of thing if we have a smaller a smaller device that actually fits into the big one you give it the full functions in here and just a couple of functions in there yeah like your zap zapping device is just u channels up down volume and on off zapping functions that is it could be good yeah maybe so 2 remotes in one but then would be easier to lose one or the other that is right means the big one has to be sufficiently big and perhaps heavy so you can not move it around yeah yeah it actually is your coffee table make it a piece of furniture yes yes there you go or a statue or something okay well we need to finish up here so for the next so for the next before the next meeting w sh shall we work on you are watching trends to see what what kind of new information we have got going on yep manuel you are going to work on the components for for what we are going to use right let us go with our our rounded kind of fit in your hand let us explore the the possibility of having the 2 piece so one for the the quick zapping and possibly one you know with just that rounded part that fits into your hand alright yeah and ryan you work on how how well they will work with the us with the user how well it will work yeah so both of those concepts and okay i think we made some good progress here alright see you in i dunno i gu i guess we will take lunch in about half an hour or i guess we will be taking lunch shortly and then then in about half an hour after that we will probably have another meeting yeah alright okay" ]

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[ "so 0 0 okay okay thanks for coming to this meeting how are we doing on our remote we have some ideas and some ideas for what people want well yeah i have done the goal i was asked to do anyway yeah i think all right let us just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting see if i can not get things moving along here a little bit better i will go over what we went over last time which should not take long then i believe each of you have a presentation i was sent a couple more requirements for our remote for what they want then we can come to a conclusion on what we want the remote to do and how it is going to do it hopefully and then we will have the closing which we will have 40 minutes for let us see the last meeting we went over meeting we went over who was responsible for what i am responsible for leading the meetings keeping the notes and coming up with the final presentation corin is our marketing expert she is going to figure out what the consumer wants ryan is our user interface designer and manuel is the industrial designer so you are going to come up with the ideas ryan and you are going to pick them apart we decided our remote we wanted to be a universal remote that everyone would want we want it to be modern fun different it needs to be sturdy easy to find defined so we are going to have that locator function and we want to be different and then we went over a couple of different ideas ball shaped phone the keyboard shape we decided that it should probably be one handed something we could use with one hand and that was our last meeting so why do not do each of you have a presentation yeah okay i will hand it off to you and does anyone you want to go 1st so we can maybe see what the people want what was it function 8 i am afraid slide shell to go to the next one okay all right right all right well this is my report which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that i was sent 0 gosh i have no idea okay just press the arrow key okay sorry i actually need need to see something else on my screen hit f 8 again yeah i think and then again yeah you want to be on both screens no i want something else on my mind is that possible yeah but i think you have to hit escape and then you can yeah okay but now you do not have that 0 hit f 8 again sorry guys i know i did not say it and then it should come up here shortly okay so is there no way i can give you the slideshow 0 give us the slideshow and something on your screen yeah 0 well i am not sure you can maybe minimize that screen and then have them both up at the same time i think okay so 1st of all the method that i used was by doing some marketing research by doing research on some interviews that were conducted and then some internet research and i was sent a report that was i think there were 100 remote users that they had interpreted they interviewed and so i will show you some of the results from that which i think will be helpful okay here are some of the findings they said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls and 75% of the users find their remote controls to be ugly which is a fairly significant number i would say and 80% of the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy so i think that earlier we were on to something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look i think that is definitely important they say the current remote controls do not match well the operating behavior of the user 75% of the users said they zap a lot and if anyone could clarify what that means zap does that just mean like changing the channel just using it yeah okay and 50% of the users say that they are only using 10% of the buttons on their remote control and there was something else they kept track of the frequency per hour and using certain buttons and some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all of course channel selection is used the most frequently and then teletext was the next volume and then power and then audio settings and screen settings and channel settings were practically never used so i think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button the biggest user frustrations as we said 50% of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere and so i think a tracking device of some sort would be a good idea they said it takes 34% said it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote and 26% said that the controls are bad for rsi repetitive strident injury what is it just repetitive stride injury 0 okay that is what i guess okay and so base 0 okay as far as speech recognition goes the younger group looks like they are all for it from the 15 to 25 age group over 90% said they would pay more and it kind of just went down incrementally the groups the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay so maybe we could discuss this and decide if we think it is worth investing in this at least if we are targeting the younger groups and so in conclusion some things that i drew from this are that i think we were correct we definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of the remote control a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore so you only have one rather than 5 different remotes sitting all over your room we need to simplify the remote and reduce the remote and reduce the number of buttons get rid of the ones that do not seem to be serving much purpose and then lastly i thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition and that is it okay very nice now we actually have some ideas of what people want what we should focus sign sorry sorry sorry did you guys get did you guys get time to write everything that you needed having just listened so i will join some of the things as well that sort of relevant to what i want to say okay so i am just going to yeah approach the technical functions design the method i used was to explore the technical functions of remote control and the simplest approach i came to is to change program and operate an electronic device remotely i mean that is an obvious thing to say but it is not attached to the device that you want to control control i had some things sent to me not very much to look at similar devices the findings from them and then personal preferences that i would suggest we discussed a universal one it is just been brought up again then but i think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design and possibly within maybe the budget that we do it because you would need to know all the specifications of all the electronic companies i am not sure if you ever come across a universal remote control yourself but you have to they are a nightmare to use you have to set them reset them to everything and that would only add buttons whereas i think the only is to take away buttons so i think it better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for tvs or maybe just one that you could design and then different people manufacturers could use it to set their specifications if the aim is to get something that is unique in design okay here is 2 pictures of remote controls there is just simple tv remote controls but one is user centered that is the one on the left you can straight away see there is less buttons and the other one is something engineered centered where that is more specified fully specified fully sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it is trying to control and i would ask which appeals more to the product that we want and on what the finds have said in the market research and stuff we are probably looking at something that should be user centered fewer buttons simple to use and if 10% is hidden away if 10% is what is used maybe the other 50% the buttons are used very rarely like programming they could be hidden maybe under some remote control you might have come across and maybe a little flip thing where they are hidden away and the main button are the ones you come across and finally so i have covered that our product i think should be used interface oriented like i said to concentrate a tv remote control a universe remote might be too complex and as what the major findings of market research have just said it is the image and the appearance and the appearance of the market research i just said it is the image and the appearance that people dislike so that we should concentrate on a set a trend and then change the fashion of remote controls and that is it what was your last conclusion on that one focus on the image of it the image of it the actual design okay good good thank you okay i will talk to you about the working design the interiors basically which is what dictates the design both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs to go in there so unfortunately the people who were supposed to do this little presentation for me for me obviously we are too drunk to actually accomplish it i am going to do lots of the stuff on the board just this is the basic premise of a remote control the basic function is to send messages to another system okay so much is clear and energy source feeds an integrated circuit a chip that can compose messages often in the form of infrared bits this is the most mostly used there is also some sound systems but infrared is the better or the more more used system parts are cheaper as well a user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages this is where my people screwed up basically so i am going to explain that on the board other what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there will start with an energy source which is usually a battery right since it is not feasible to add a cable to that this energy source of course is connected to the user interface itself which can be buttons whatever which in fact controls a chip right is the user interface and there we have the chip the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp that sends out the signal of course the signal differs accordingly depending on what the chip tells the infrared lamp and of course that is controlled the chip itself is controlled by the user interface the way you normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp to the whole thing as well so that you know that it is working basically you press something get a response which is also comparatively important on one of those devices now this what we are talking about here or what i think should be discussed are these 2 components mostly the energy source for one thing can be altered what we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared the sending device basically the infrared lamp we cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp all right these 2 are components that we have to use and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing the lamp can be put on to the device it can not it does not have to be there this can be discussed as well user interface that is something we can also discuss as we have heard speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment speech recognition interface we do not know that or if we just do the usual button thing or we have a touchpad or something like that that is something we can discuss that is something we can discuss and of course the energy source batteries solar cells who knows of course it is always a question whether these components are in fact available cheap enough developed enough but that is i suppose rather up to marketing not to you so we could to the industrial design the more complex we make it of course the more expensive it is going to back here but people have said that they would well younger generations of people said that they would pay more for a speech recognition remote so possibly it might be worth the investment i think speech recognition was one of those things where they have to be really good for them to work sometimes you find yourself saying things over and over and it is on your phone i agree and you need to sort of take into languages and then different dialects i suppose as well myself i find when there is something that speech recognition like you call on the phone and you try to change your telephone or power or something sometimes they have a speech recognition on the other end and you say one for this and you find your like you say like you said saying the same thing over and over and over i find myself especially if i am in a crowd of people looking really silly so maybe if you are sitting on your couch with a bunch of people then i do not know if would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff if you were watching something what do you want volume up volume down change the channel you know channel up channel down i do not know another thing about these figures is 91% of the young youngest age group said they would do it but probably a lot of them that is actually their parents money like i do not know if they would actually go out and purchase this themselves a 15 year old you know as well it would be the gimmick factor for the younger people it is a gimmick factor that they like at 1st and yeah but wear it get old yeah okay let us see here let us see here yeah i guess so trade jack now i was sent a couple of things to modify our new requirements the remote is only going to be for the television which is good because we already decided your research showed that not only is universal remote more complicated it is more costly and your research showed that most of the people do not even use it i think you said 50% of the people only use 10% of the buttons so if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem no teletext so we do not have to worry about that but we do have to use the company wants us to incorporate the corporate color and our slogan which is we put the fashion in electronics and our corporate colors are gray and yellow and we could probably get away with black too but so those are the 3 new requirements that i was told we need to use from all 3 of your presentations i think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting we want something that looks good we want something that is simple we want something that you can find easily and the speech recognition i guess is kind of give or take it is going to cost more the younger people say that they like it but it is probably i would say probably not worth the investment at this point in time so maybe we should just do away with speech recognition and that way we can focus on our form i did have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing is that it came with maybe a holder a holster whatever you want to call it that you should put it back in your remote but if you do not put it back in you press something like a little bustle on that and that just sort of sends out a beat to find where it is is not we that should not be too complex that would be good if we were going with our ball yeah it would be quite good or with you know i guess with any form that would be good you know that could be the charger for you know we could use rechargeable batteries in the remote and that would be solar or you know however you want to go about it the holder could also be the charging you unit with the locator button and if it were the ball you would no longer have to have a flat space on it yeah well you still have the how to hold on to it and yeah you put it on the couch table while you are watching it is going to roll away so that is not a theory so i guess after the meeting we will have some questionnaires and some summaries for what is going on then we will take lunch then we can come back and work on our individual work i will do the minutes let us see it looks like you are already on your way for working with the components chips what chips we need and what you know how to power it and whatnot user interface concept we want it to be something simple minimal number of buttons i guess our main i guess our main the main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look yeah right did you have time earlier to work on that do you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done i will try i will look at the actual appearance in the next break i do still think it needs to be something that is ultimately one handed ball is probably not a good idea and even something that is held like that might be difficult so i think it still has to be a variation on maybe on a rectangle but maybe not as silly boring as playing as playing as a should we maybe shoot for a specific target group that way we could i mean if it were if we were shooting for young guys then it is a certain look to the remote or girls or older people would that you think that would help us find a specific form that we would want to pick out i do not know if that might come up from like the trend watching you will find anything more on that yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we will have some info on that okay so we know that the remote is going to have to be we will just say we have got a color scheme for it yeah yellow and you know yellow it is nice and bright with the buttons being gray or black and our slogan pasted somewhere on it on the bottom yeah maybe we could sketch so basically all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort maybe we could flare it or something you know so it is more of course this will look like a bone then let us go ahead and erase this i hope everyone memorized that i mean it might be to look at like sort of the shape and trend of like and trend of like things like mobile phones and shapes that they have been going yeah yeah they have gone from big brick block things which is what remote control is so sort of slinky small things yeah everybody has got a mobile phone right except for me now but they are all you know mobile phones they have kind of taken a turn to where they are really small small which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time but then again you do not want you know like the 1st mobile phone that was this big and you had a handbag to carry it around in so we have got basically what remotes look like now is kind of what we are stuck with stuck with maybe we could go with a square or something you know with minimal number of buttons i guess you have got you know with minimal number of buttons i guess you have got you know one through 9 typing in your channels you have got volume up and down channel up and down power power usually at the top a mute that is the classical design all you need i think a menu button maybe so you know if we want the remote to do other things like or i guess the tv to be able to change the tint and the color and all those kind of things that are built into tvs we just have that under one standard menu button where you go in press the menu button scroll up and down to select yeah talking of which maybe a scrolling function is not too bad okay so let us talk about maybe look at that from the side there maybe which is technically the easiest option would probably be like a scrolling wheel like this yeah like a wheel on your mouse yeah sort of like that sort of you can even if we are coming from mice we can add a click function where you in order to verify the information you just press it down it is a good idea also when it comes to the ergonomics of the whole thing if you want to make it square for the looks of it then maybe make it more comfortable to hold the whole thing you add a little bulge down here which maybe from an engineering point this could be holding the batteries and so on i know you know what i am getting at here yeah look at it from the side it is like that then you hold it in your hand like this and maybe you bring the buttons nearer to the or the important buttons nearer to the to the thumb side yeah maybe the buttons could like decrease in the bigger ones that is actually bigger in size and the ones that are less important smaller here you can also have maybe talking about mobile phones again sliding open with the lesser used functions behind this part and then slides into that part because i just been sketched something just like on a sort of side view something that you know sort of fit in the hand better so you know you just sort of have your hand 0 it is just thinking this of course causes a problem for left or right handed people actually that yeah instantly i am always going for a right handed person i mean it is the old yeah is everyone who in here is right handed left handed he goes all right handed yeah so i am left handed but i so i can say say that most things are designed for right handed people that is right like the written language or english maybe you could buy like a special left handed version of the remote maybe 0 special order i would say i mean it should be probably designed for a right handed person yeah but that is good that is i think we have got kind of a good plan there at least for what buttons we are going to use so we have got i like the scroll action and the i mean i am just thinking maybe if it was circular with this sort of that sort of the sort of earlier idea we had with the way that was more like that whereas this is just a one handed thing that you sort of almost wrap around the thumb so you would have you put your hand into there the thumb there your thumb would do you would have all the buttons sort of round here and that i think could work yeah on any hand kind of like holding it if you just had it like right around there left all right that minimizes its size wise minimize its size you know really quite small then there is maybe another point of making it a 2 and one kind of thing if we have a smaller device that actually fits into the big one give it full functions in here and just a couple of functions in there yeah like your zep zapping device it is just channels up down volume and on off that is it yeah maybe so 2 remotes and one but then would be easier to lose one or the other that is right the big one has to be sufficiently big and perhaps heavy so you can not move it around make it a piece of furniture it actually is your coffee table yes yes there you go okay well we need to finish up here so for the next so for the next so for the next before the next meeting shall we work on you are watching trends to see what kind of new information we have got going on manuel you are going to work on the components for what we are going to use let us go with our rounded kind of fit in your hand let us explore the the the possibility of having the 2 piece so one for the quick zapping and possibly one you know with just that rounded part that fits into your hand and ryan you work on how how well they will work with the user so both of those concepts and okay i think we made some good progress here all right we will see you in i do not know i guess we will take lunch in about half an hour or i guess we will be taking lunch shortly and then in about half an hour after that we will probably have another meeting all right okay" ]

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[ "is that alright now okay sorry okay everybody all set to start the meeting okay we have got half an hour for this one to discuss the functional design could you plug me in okay thanks all ready to go okay okay so hopefully you have all been working away and i have put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder so i guess just to to recap on what we did last time kind of got to know each other a little bit and got familiar with all the equipment and started to discuss a bit about the project you know cost wise how much how much money we had to s just want to tell you that you have 3 new requirements which is the the 1st one is that the company is decided that teletext is outdated because of how popular the internet is nobody uses teletext very much anymore so we do not really need to consider that in the functionality of the of the remote control kay they have also suggested that we we only use the remote control to control the television not the v c r d v d or anything else i think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it will affect how long it takes us to get it into into production the time to market okay so we are just going to keep it simple and it will just control the t v and the other thing was that the company want the corporate color and slogan to be implemented in the new design i am not entirely sure what the corporate color is it might be yellow because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere and the slogan like the actual written slogan or just to embody the idea of the slogan well that is the thing i am i am not sure th because on the the company website what does it say bout putting the fashion in electronics something yeah i mean do they is that something they want actually written on it cause it is quite long yeah or yeah just the idea but i am not sure so that is something we can discuss as well so those are the 3 things just not to worry about teletext only control the t v and and incorporate the color and slogan of the company so is everybody okay with any of that or do you want me to recap at all nope we are all set right time for presentations then who would like to go 1st i will go 1st sure okay cool alright can i saint steal this from the back of your laptop 0 yeah of course yeah g go on ahead so this is the technical functions design right to do the the design i have i have had a look online i have had a look at the homepage which has given us some insp inspiration from previous products i have had a look at the previous products to see what they offer and i would like to ask you guys for your ideas about the design at the end of the meeting unfortunately we are not allowed to talk outside the meeting room so okay right having a look at the existing products i found out that it tends to come in sort of 2 extremes there is either a very complicated one that has got lots of buttons lots of colors very confusing you do not know what you are doing in that case the the labeling tends to be very bad there is an example i will show you at the end sh show you now here the button there and there alright this one is prog sorry that one is perg and that one is prog and it does not really tell you what it does not sure if you had a a look at the other control in that example it is a very simple one it has got only the basic functions but it is the same size as the the hard to use one oop it looked a bit clunky they are very big and not very much use for buttons and it is just very hard to access the advanced functions there is there is nothing for instance for a slow motion button my own preferences i prefer the the clunky one it is very easy to use but unfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which i i quite like having on the controls so i believe the the advanced functions should maybe be hidden in a drawer or something like tha from the bottom of it so now i would like to ask for your preferences not sure of how long we have got well we can chat away for for 5 minutes or so i think at at most just a couple of minutes anyway m yeah like a lot of a lot of what i have read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely with what with what craig is just gone over so in part i could i could give you some of my personal preferences but i could also th add some to this which is just about sort of sort of market research but anyway we might come to that later shall we sh well we will stick to kind of your area for now which which is the clunky one the one on left or on the right the clunky one is the one on the right okay yeah clunky in what sense like h heavier larger i think it is supposed to be the same size but it has got much fewer buttons it is you know it is very spread out and kind of you know i get the idea it would be sort of about this size i see so it is more just basic looks kind of yeah right okay yeah got very few buttons on it and yeah sure well i think it is a valid point i mean like the one on the left looks quite quite complicated and that p r t p p r 0 t thing is incredibly confusing so i see i see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design but yeah you do not want to lose out on you know what it does so maybe you know you know you get a lot of remote controls where you kind of flip the thing open i think that is a good idea i think it is a good idea do we have any functions that we would want on it i mean so far i have got on and off switch the channel up and down and put the volume up and down huh they are just the the very basics you could use for a t v huh and then actual numbers for channels as well yeah okay you say that is a h a required one or a requested one which was that would you like the channels like the the numbers on thing up the numbers or the up down god i wou i would say that is required i mean there is no way anybody is going to buy a remote control these days when if you can not actually individually select channels i mean would anybody disagree with that yeah yeah what else so do not need to worry about teletext do not need to worry about v c r any kind of like display controls at all do you think we need to worry about you know like brightness and contrast we do not no yeah well i think i think es essentially what we are doing right now is we are categorizing we are saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the sort of more tricky features but we want them to be in another area is that right is that what we are we are doing yeah yeah we are kind of like sorting them an or are we actually eliminating things we just do not want the product to have i think are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have and what would be nice to start with sort of a bit both we need to find out exactly what we have to have and after that we can add things if they are possible okay right well do you want to maybe just at this point decide on what we absolutely must have as a p as a function of this yeah yep so so far just to recap you have got volume and channel control and there is on and off volume and channel and skip to certain channels with the numbers right okay well 11 way i would look at this would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of like control types so that for the user it is very clear what they want to do where they go yeah and also think maybe a little bit about sorta w w what would just want to be acc easily accessible for example if we had audio controls those could be something people set up very rarely oka maybe they are un they are they are they are in a little area but covered up things like channel and volume are used all the time so we just have them right out on top very just very sort of self explanatory so maybe we need to think about having 3 or more groupings of controls you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip and others that are also available and then others that are concealed something like that okay well just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section have i just lost 0 no do you think maybe that is the only kind of essential requirements and then maybe just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up and display set up and things like that maybe like a mute button that sort of thing yeah any of you anything to add to that at all no no i will add it later i guess the presentation okay right yeah okay if we can move on to next presentation then please sure do you want to switch places do you want to can this can this pl reach can this plug come across no probably not actually no no so why do not i just pick up and move then yeah here i will just why do not i just er can you go up behind me just just switch them kinda this is so this i am all in a knot now bit complicated it would be nice if everything was wireless would not it okay right so i can i can say already i dunno whether this is for good or for bad but there will be a lot of kind of redundancy in the in the the issues and the the the things 0 like overlap between what you said yeah yeah 0 well for all you know that that will happen which is ma not necessarily a bad thing but may what i have already started doing is cr i created a slide in in my presentation here so so that we kind of think well what is the cumulative effect of what we have taken from your ideas and and mine because certainly i i have a hard time separating separating things completely obviously obviously what you have just told me what you have just told me impacts a lot on what like market research that that i have been so how do i how do i get this up hard to know what where your role ends yeah okay function f 8 pr yeah press function and f 8 yeah okay okay alright so f 8 function the blue button next to the control on the left 0 and f 8 yeah you have to push it together okay yep okay i think that that is doing it now nope try that again again think maybe the the wire in the back might be loose wait okay yeah you want to okay great 00 here we go yep there we go there you go okay just before i bring this up what i will just say is what i have what i have done is tried to collect some information so that i can then relay this to to you guys so that it is now becomes a collective thing and then kind of lead us in the direction of deciding kay what what are our options what should we decide and do you know what i mean so increase that cause we can not see the okay okay that is much better right can you there you go right okay okay alright that would be okay so does that make sense so what i basically got is i just looked into some information and sort of th tried to think about how how we could review it and how we could and what kind of decisions we could take away from it and then maybe by the end of just looking at some of these things we can think about what are our priorities cause certainly there is lots of different information to go through so i am thinking here about primarily about customer needs that we start with the customer and w you know what they want and what are issues with with existing products to think about trends and also about try and connect that as you see with the company vision which is about fashion in electronics and then as i say w we would like to prioritize our design features from this and bouncing on top dunno okay yeah so this is what i have found here a lot of this is new to me so we will just read through together users dislike the look and feel of current remote controls so they find them ugly most people find them ugly the vast majority would spend more money for it to look fancy as well we will see later the vast majority would spend more money for slightly more intuitive control such as voice recognition okay i am going to we will look at that in a 2nd most people use only a f a very slim portion of all the controls so i guess what we are looking at here is people want this h technology they tend to use the most simple controls and overall they find remote controls to be something they do not does not really appeal to them so i think what we are doing is we are trying to take like if for me this is sorta like 3 different different inspirations you know one is that we want something that is high tech but we want it to seem easy and in spite of the primitive side of it and the very high tech side we want it to just be an appealing piece of equipment in people is hands frustrations they get lost a lot s as it came up in our last meeting takes time to learn how to use them this is why i mention when craig was showing us some ideas that we actually try and group controls so d it does not just look like a big panel kinda like when you you look at you know a new computer keyboard or something that is quite explanatory if you want audio if you want visual then you have those and i will admit i do not know what r s i stands for repetitive strain injury is installing a new remote control something that people no that did not come up at all so here here is another sort of a a review here of the main things i also found that most people would adults at least would pay more for voice recognition now apparently we do have access to all the tech cutting edge technology in remote control so i dunno if that is possible we might consider getting into it and and again here as we sort of move m sort of thin start thinking about how we want to sell and market this i think a recurring theme here is the company wants it to be wants us to make something that is fashionable and sleek and trendy people additionally are not are not liking the appearance of their products so we want to think about as we take all the sort of the techie features how we can put that into a unit which is which people like you know they like the esthetics and the ergonomics okay so want something that looks good and is easy to use big priorities yeah yeah okay so you know just c looking at what what craig craig is i ideas are s sorta tell me that maybe what we want to do is try and separate the different things that we want to include in this so if we do say well we want there to be all the technology will we try and make that almost be like optional technology you know it is like like i find a lot of t v s these days something really like about em is if you want to just turn em on and off you can but they have little panels where you click and there is just like tons of features you go through so it you want to group all the different kind of types of functions together you know yeah that is i think it is a good idea yeah that is s that is sort of the but i i am my hope here is that i am putting out this information so that we can then say okay well how do we collectively move on with it i i have not brought out one specific marketing idea okay although my sense is that what we should try and think about is what are the current trends in materials and shapes and styles and then use that but not let that confine us technologically okay so right alright any comments on all of that well one of the things that we have to decide on by the end of the meeting is who we are going to be who is our our target audience that is our target market yeah so if we want something that that looks good and is easy to use but has y is fairly powerful product whatever who do we really want to aim that at okay i mean where is the money maybe yeah who wou who would have the money to spend yeah well i if if like €25 is our is our selling price then you can imagine and who watches t v well i do not i am not really sure how much that will retail at but you want it is somebody who is not going to just use the remote that comes with their telly i suppose they are going to actually go out and buy one yeah so who do you think we are aiming this at i think it will be the mid range to the high end market in terms of people cause €25 for a remote how much is that lo locally in pounds it is about £1617 i think is that too is that a lot of money to buy an extra remote or a replacement remote yeah okay right so maybe not the high end range but maybe middle middle up ish okay kind of you know how much i dunno i guess you pay what 1010 quid for a remote okay like a simple replacement right yeah i mean if you lost your remote and the 1st thing you just want to go out and get would you how much would you pay yeah yeah yeah this this kinda touches on your comments there david these are the age groups which we have information on and these are this is a table of h what people would pay more for a certain feature yeah just gives us a rough idea of where the w the will to spend money on t v equipment is okay okay mostly focused around the 25 age group yeah so do you think we are we are aiming at a fairly young market then yep sort of young professional kind of yeah okay do you think then voice recognition is something we should really seriously consider what what do you think craig well did you not say it was the the adults that were going for the the voice recognition sort of the the older group yeah it is the yep f it does it does fit with the market that we are sort of identifying in terms of n yeah i think we are going to have to narrow it down to say let us target these people and give them what they want and cause you know okay yeah sure there needs to be some kind of selling point to it sure yeah so anybody anything there to add just kind of young professionals th like if we are going to include speech recognition it is kind of between 15 and 35 seems to be like a really high response to that so we could say that was our target i i think 25 to 35 is is is fair to add that in as a group as well because that is more than half your group of people who are willing to at least try and use your technology yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so 15 to 35 look fairly young yeah yeah you know they have bit of expendable income to spend on this sort of thing i think perhaps that age group is significant as well because those are people who use the computer who are familiar with their with computers in in their everyday work yeah i think people who are maybe about i would not say 35 but people who are about 40 ish and above now would not be so dependent and reliant on a computer or a mobile phone or something like that but yeah yeah yeah sure so so these are people who are gadgety right people who are u growing up used to you know in schools and in universities yeah when you go on to their working lives people who would you know regular yeah yeah so they will not sh not shy away from something quite high tech yeah yeah that that is that is a good point okay so so shall we make the decision to include speech recognition if we can if we can i i think one thing we should try not to avoid is not to say we have to use speech recognition right now yeah yeah okay because based on what you have go y everybody is saying right you want something simple why is that you want basic stuff and you want something that is easy to use speech recognition might not be the simplest thing for somebody to use right okay could it be an on off thing but what i am saying is that we are we are trying to lock ourselves into a s particular kind of technology like if you want it on yeah where you can activate it and deactivate it yeah yeah rather than focusing on on exactly what are the features that we are going to say and then yeah okay you know say speech recognition is good for this speech recognition is not good for this sure sure so maybe we should i suggest that we think about speech recognition anyway it is a it is something that can be used to fulfill a function okay yeah sure but at end of the day we do not look at the technology but we look at the function 1st huh yeah okay sure yep okay well do you want to give us your presentation and then then we can i do not know might have been a good idea to all deliver our presentations and then discuss okay sure yep yeah it is good well it is good to get ideas out while they are fresh in mind but this is this is how we are yeah exactly yeah 0 it is something that is just occurred to me as well is if we make it speech reco if we incorporate speech recognition that is appealing to people maybe with a physical disability as well not yeah and not losing and also it helps in terms of people not losing this you know they they are saying 0 it is i lose it in the couch yeah yeah like we are kind of what we are b sort of getting in into here is mating different design features together that they i reckon one problem with speech recognition is i have actually seen one of them used and the technology that was in that one was not particularly amazing so you end up yelling at the control for hours really right channel up 0 really you have seen one before do you think maybe we need like further advances in that kind of area until it is worthwhile incorporating it though i think it would probably quite expensive to put in sorry do you mind passing me my notepad course not thanks cool there you go okay right well this is just the working design well this is just what how i would go about it i guess i try to define like what we are doing now try to define what we are trying to get done i think in a practical way we kind of know what it is right we have used it we are familiar with it but we are we can not n we have not narrowed down exactly what the things we are trying to fulfill like besides the basics i think back in the back of our minds we know what the basics are has to change channels has to change volume but in like specifics right which one of the basics are you trying to target are there certain parts of the basics that are more important or less important than the basics and i just the idea is just to get everybody to i usually have a have have a design that is there as a basic so you know things that to start everything going but i guess everybody does have some idea so i do not think there is a need for that okay this finding things is a little bit confusing so i will go into the diagram 1st it just explains how the process goes through from a from the basic technology point of view the basic steps that you need in the diagram and in this slide probably works better okay you need some power source kay a battery or something to keep it going and that power source is important because it ties you down to how long the device will last huh it ties you down perhaps a bit later on in terms of the technologies how far you can transmit the signal or the complexity of the functions that you want like for example voice recognition right that might be constrained because that you might need to power a microphone you might need to power other things so that is one perhaps constraint there th okay the basic thing is there is a user interface where people punch a button or talk into it or smile to it or blink their eyes whatever you know and that picks up an input from a user a logic a series of logic has to decide what the user is telling the device and the device has to r you know based on you push button a so i will do something with button a so maybe button a is the power button okay and then it needs to be able to send the signal out to the device itself which is the receiver here and i think that is about it in terms of my design it is fairly general and i guess the purpose of this is also not to restrict you in in the way you are thinking like voice recognition right if it is something which is important then we just add more power rather than having a thing that we do not have enough power so it is not really a constraint in that sense but i mean these are functionally you know the base what the technology has to do okay okay okay so i guess the rest of it i think we should maybe you you want to go back to what the functions are i think that is more relevant to a discussion kay well do you wan do you want to finish up your your whole presentation then sure sure yeah w i am done are you are you all done more or less yeah ps 0 it is just putting the rest of it into words but it is essentially the same thing yep you have a transmitter an input device logic chip you know stuff like that okay okay right right and like on the means b since we are on the topic of the technology are there any like what are our options i guess this would be yep alright what is what i in is this the only way that we go about it or are there other thin these these are not technology options in that sense right this is just a basic principles and basic components that are needed the basic principle of okay kay right for example if you needed if you needed to add a voice recognition right then your user interface would be split broken down into more components right which you have a microphone the v r and stuff like that okay 0 okay so this just show how we are kind of modularising the whole thing yep okay yep so each component represents one function but i think the basic functions are the logic the transmitter and the receiver okay and the power are things that you will not have to care about yeah and those are things that based on what your user interface requires then we will add more functionality to it okay there might be one other consideration which would be that the the transmission between the remote control and the t v for example okay okay okay are we going to restrict ourselves to using the traditional technologies of infra red thing okay because that is something you need to actually be physically be pointing to okay right right well well a worry that was was expressed in the new requirements was that if we made this too complex it would e it would effect how long how long it took us to get this to market so i th suspect it might be a good idea just to restrict our kind of our creative influence on this on the user interface and not worry so much about how we transmit it because i mean it it is tried and tested intra red yep so we could stay with tha there might be one other problem with the transmission in particular right now since we are talking about voice recognition if somebody is going to h talk to the device you ideally want them to hold it to them 0 yeah i it you may not require that but you know it is it is it is something very natural i guess right right yeah you know to hold it to signal to the user and push a button maybe to start s talking about it okay then you need to send the signal out so because if you are using infra red the line of sight say the t v is at that chair and i am standing in front of here and the transmitter is here it blocks it yeah okay so in that sense there is not really a restriction but it is something which you may have to think about later on in the process right okay not so much further down okay and just a clarification before we finish this does c is our controller is it have the option of being on a standard frequency as all of the other equipment so that the one controller can control several pieces of equipment there is there is not much specific specific information but i think that one indication of infra red mean that you are just targeting traditional devices w yeah okay because infra red is something which everybody has w well well we have in the new requirement spec they said just to focus on the t v so that is what we should do for now i think just to t v okay okay something i was wondering about was the power is it worth considering like having like a charging unit as opposed to just regular batteries i mean is that something we really want to go into do you think or should we just consider running on regular batteries there is a there is okay from from a from a component point of view there is added complexity huh and you add cost to it and then there is probably the fact that you need another physical component huh you need a docking cradle for example for you to put it in to charge yeah okay or you need to get the user to plug it in and most users are very f use already used to the idea of buying batteries and putting it into the controller okay so yeah but unless the controller is going to consume a lot of batteries like he is going to run through like 20 batteries a month yeah then i do not think rechargeable is something we should you know we really need to care about yeah okay so just stick to to regular okay right so basically the i am just going to just recap what i said at the start was that the the whole point of this meeting was to f absolutely finalize who we are going to aim this at and what exactly the product is going to do okay okay so just to recap on are we all happy about the idea of aiming the product at the 15 to 35 bracket yeah that is good and also the funct the the actual functions of what it is going to do do you want to recap on that craig i think we just say that it was going to be the the most basic stuff possible on off up and down channels up and down volume and skip to a channel okay right ta and is it going to include any of the the more advanced features or are we going to eliminate those i think we include mute but apart from that i think we just we will go for the simpleness okay okay okay i think r is it is it is it s is it not an option still that we include some things just as a sort of under like sort of under a door or some yeah it is as optional functions yeah cause what what i am i would be a bit worried about is if someone was h had previously developed habits of expecting to control surround sound or this and that with their controller and then and then they you know w they get ours and w it is does not have that i dunno if that would be a problem okay another thing that you were saying about categorizing the controls maybe i could suggest we we break them down into 3 simple categories yeah okay one would be audio controls one would be video controls and the other one would be a device okay this may not map very well to advanced functionality especially but i think that from a manufacturer is point of view from a person designing the device yeah but i think from a point of view of a person using the device you know a t v is something they see and something they hear it is something they do other things to like turn it on and turn it off yeah i mean like so what we could have is like 3 buckets right where we could throw things into like if we want this feature right let us throw it into there and then from there decide whether it is basic or it is non basic yeah kay okay i mean it might help with the visualization like that okay and it would actually help with the component build as well okay right okay great okay well i got to kind of got 5 minutes to wrap up now next thing we are doing is having lunch whoohoo and then we are going to have 30 minutes of working on the next stage so i will be putting the minutes of this this meeting into the project documents folder so i guess just to just to confirm that we know what we are doing in the next well in the 30 minutes after lunch anyway for our industrial designer you are going to be thinking about the components concept user interface designer going to be thinking about our user interface and marketing you are going to be thinking about trend watching and you will all get specific instructions as well so i dunno just just to to ask now if you have got anything else you have thought about while we have been talking do you want to start with david anything else to say at all no not really no okay yeah just i just wanted to ask then before we wrap up andrew shall we agree for sake of sort of clarity and when we when we r resume that we will u use this idea david is proposed where we think of these 3 sort of buckets and anything anything we discuss about them is sort of okay we are talking about this yeah yeah i think that is definitely a good idea huh shall we do that then yeah okay great just about the 3 buckets what would go in the the device functions one things like on off because they do not have anything to do with what you see yeah i me mean in terms of picture and the entertainment value you know so and channel okay and and channel right because the on off also goes you know like on off like power not on off sound yeah not on off video although you do not turn off the video on your t v but you might want to you know turn off the sound say you want to pick up the phone there is a mute button right okay so you you have you have a choice of putting it on to others or a device okay device is basically anything which we can not categorize right okay so you are going to have audio which is going to be like you know your bass settings and actual volume hi okay we put it out yeah anything to do with what you hear right you you put that into audio okay and then visual and then video is anything that you can see okay so brightness contrast things like that and then just actual device things yep color yeah yep like what channel you are watching turning on an off stuff like that sure sure yep okay okay and then k i suppose quite likely what would happen is in the d device category there might be some which are just like the habitual standard and then others which are maybe a bit more yeah like random which we have no other place to put but we need it somewhere there yeah sure okay okay okay even even if it does not map very clearly what happens is that people at least have some in their mind it is easy to use i think that is one thing that and i guess from the component point of view it is easy to build as well cause things are like fixed okay okay okay so yeah i guess just things to think about are you know like the fact it has got to look good because of who we are we are you know targeting this at something maybe kind of quirky in design maybe make it kind of ergonomic kind of to hold you know things like that so i guess i guess that is it great that is the meeting over whoohoo then we get to go find out what was 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[ "0 yes i forgot about that okay is that all right now okay that is cool someone turned these on sorry did someone turn these on great okay everybody all set to start the meeting okay we have got half an hour for this one to discuss the functional design all ready to go okay so hopefully if i have been working away and i have put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder so i guess just to recap on what we did last time i have got to know each other a little bit and got familiar with all the equipment and started to discuss a bit about the project you know cost wise how much money we had to spend i just want to tell you that we have 3 new requirements which is the 1st one is that the companies decided that teletext is outdated because of how popular the internet is nobody uses teletext very much anymore so we do not really need to consider that in the functionality of the remote control they have also suggested that we only use the remote control to control the television not the vcr dvd or anything else i think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it will affect how long it takes us to get it into production the time to market so we are just going to keep it simple and it will just control the tv the other thing was that the company want the corporate color and slogan to be implemented in the new design i am not entirely sure what the corporate color is it might be yellow because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere and the slogan like the actual written slogan or just to embody the idea of the slogan well that is the thing i am not sure because on the company website what does it say putting the fashion in electronics yeah i mean do they is that something they want to actually written on it because it is quite long or yeah just the idea that i am not sure is that something we can discuss as well so these are the 3 things just not to worry about teletext only control the tv and incorporate the color and slogan of the company so is everybody okay with any of that or do you want me to recap at all okay time for presentations then who would like to go 1st i will go 1st okay cool can i steal this from the back of your left 0 yeah of course go ahead is so the technical function design okay to do the design i have i have had a look online i have had a look at the home page which has given us some inspiration from previous products i have had a look at the previous products to see what they offer and i would like to ask you guys for your ideas about the design at the end of the meeting unfortunately we are not allowed to talk outside the meeting room having a look at the existing products i found out that it tends to come in sort of 2 extremes there is either a very complicated one that has got lots of buttons lots of colors very confusing you do not know what you are doing in that case the labeling tends to be very bad there is an example i will show you at the end i am not sure you know there is a button there and there this one is prog that one is prog and that one is prog and it does not really tell you what it does i am not sure if you had a look at the other control in that example it is a very simple one it has got only the bia one it has got only the basic functions but it is the same size as the hard to use one i think a bit clunky they are very big and not very much used for active buttons and it is very hard to access the advanced functions there is nothing for instance for a slow motion button my own preference is i prefer the clunky one it is very easy to use but unfortunately it does lack the advanced functions like the advanced functions which i quite like having on the controls so i believe that the advanced functions should maybe be hidden in the drawer or something like i can pull it from the bottom of it so i guess for your preferences i am not sure how long we have got we can chat away for 5 minutes or so i think at most it is a couple of minutes anyway yeah like a lot of what i have read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely with what craig is just gone over so in part i could give you some of my personal preferences but i could also add some to this which is just about sort of market research but anyway we will stick to kind of your area which is the one in the right clunky in what sense like heavier or larger i think it is supposed to be the same size but it has got much fewer buttons it is more spread out of the base yeah right okay and you get eddie up you probably this size yeah you have got very few buttons on it sure well i think it is a valid point i mean like the one on the left looks quite quite complicated and that prg thing is incredibly confusing so i see why you you know you might prefer the simpler design but yeah you do not want to lose out on you know what it does so maybe you know you get a lot of remote controls where you kind of flip the thing open i think that is a good idea i think it is a good idea do we have any functions we would want on it so far i have got on and off switch the channel up and down and put the volume up and down they are just the very basic you can use by tv and then actual numbers for channels as well yeah you see that is a required one or requested one which was that the channels like the numbers the numbers or the up yeah i would say that is required i mean there is no way anybody is going to buy a remote control these days so if she can not actually individually select channels i mean would anybody disagree with that what else so we do not need to worry about teletext do not need to worry about vcr any kind of like display controls at all do you think we need to worry about you know like brightness and contrast well i think essentially what we are doing right now is we are categorizing we are saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the sort of the more tricky features but we want them to be in another area is that right is that what we are sorting them or are we actually eliminating things we just do not want product to have i think are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have and what would be nice to start with i am sure i bet both we find exactly what we have to have and after that we can add things if they are possible okay right well do you want to maybe just at this point decide on what we absolutely must have as a function of this so so far just to recap you have got volume and channel control volume and channel and skip to certain channels with the numbers right okay well one way i would look at this would be that we approach the different controls in terms of like control types so that for the user it is very clear what they want to do where they go and also think maybe a little bit about what we just want to be easily accessible for example if we had audio controls those could be something people set up very rarely maybe they are in a little area but covered up things like channel and volume are used all the time so we just have them right out on top very just very sort of self explanatory so maybe we need to think about having 3 or more groupings of controls one which are just the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip and others that are also available and then others that are concealed something like that well just to wrap up quickly on this little section have i just lost do you think maybe that is the only kind of essential requirements and there may be just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up and display set up and things like that maybe like a mute button that sort of thing any of the answer to that at all no okay right okay if we can move on to the next presentation then please sure can this reach can this plug come across probably not actually so why do not i just pick up yeah yeah i will just can you go behind me this is it is a bit complicated it has been all in the order wireless is not it okay right so i can say already i do not know whether this is for good or for bad but there will be a lot of kind of redundancy in the issues and the 0 like overlap between what you said 0 probably knows that not necessarily a bad thing but what i have already started doing is i created a slide in my presentation here so that we kind of think well what is the cumulative effect of what we have taken from your ideas and mine because certainly i have a hard time separating things completely it is hard to know where you have just told me where you have just told me impact a lot on what like market research that i have been so how do i get this up yeah function and effort yeah okay so f 8 function the blue button takes to the control on the left 0 and f 8 okay you have to push it together okay i think that is same now no try that over there again maybe the wire in the back might be this okay 0 here we go okay there you go okay just before i bring this up what i will just say is what i have done is try to collect some information so that i can then relay this to you guys so that it is now becomes a collective thing and then kind of lead us in the direction of deciding okay what are our options what should we decide do you know what i mean so okay right can you end okay okay all right okay so that makes sense so what i have basically got is i just looked into some information and sort of tried to think about how we could review it and how we could and what kind of decisions we could take away from it and then maybe by the end of just looking at some of these things we can think about what are our priorities because certainly there is lots of different information to go through to go through so i am thinking here about primarily about customer needs that we start with the customer and what they want and what are issues with existing products to think about trends and also about try and connect that as you see with the company vision which is about fashion and electronics and then as i say we would like to prioritize our design features from this so this is what i have found here a lot of this is new to me so we will just read 2 together users dislike the look and feel of current remote control so they find them ugly most people find them ugly the vast majority would spend more money for it to look fancy as well we will see later the vast majority people would spend more money for slightly more intuitive controls such as voice recognition okay i am going to look at that in a 2nd most people use only a very slim portion of all the controls so i guess what we are looking at here is people want this technology they tend to use the most simple controls and overall they find remote controls to be something they do not does not really appeal to them so i think what we are doing is we are trying to take like for me this is sort of like 3 different different inspirations you know one is that we want something that is high tech but we want it to seem easy and in spite of the primitive side of it and the very high tech side we want it to just be an appealing piece of equipment in people is hand frustrations they get lost a lot as it came up in our last meeting it takes time to learn how to use them this is why i mentioned when craig was showing us some ideas that we actually try and group control so it does not just look like a big panel kind of like when you look at a new computer keyboard or something that it is quite explaining quite explanatory if you want audio if you want visual and you have those and i will admit i do not know what rsi stands for competitive strain injury is installing the remote control something that people no that did not come up at all so here is another sort of a review here of the main things i also found that most people would adults at least would pay more for voice recognition now apparently we do have access to all the cutting edge technology and remote control so i do not know if that is possible we might consider getting into it and again here as we sort of move sort of things start thinking about how we want to sell and market this i think a recurring theme here is the company wants it to be wants us to make something that is fashionable and sleek and trendy people additionally are not liking the appearance of their performance product so we want to think about as we take all the sort of the techy features how we can put that into a unit which is which people like you know they like the esthetics and ergonomics so once in the that looks good and it is easy to use yeah big priorities yeah so you know just looking at what what craig is ideas there sort of tell me that maybe what we want to do is try and separate the different things that we want to include in this so if we do say well we want there to be all the technology but we try and make that almost be like optional technology you know it is like i find a lot of tvs these days something really nice about them is if you want to just turn them on and off you can but they have little panels where you click and there is just like tons of features so you want to grip all the different kinds of types of functions together you know that is a good idea that is sort of but i my hope here is that i am putting out this information that we can then say okay well how do we collectively move on with it i have not brought out one specific marketing idea although my sense is that what we should try and think about is what are the current trends in materials and shapes and styles and then use that but not let that confine us technologically okay right all right any comments on all of that well one of the things that we have to decide on by the the end of the meeting is who we are going to be who is our target audience our target market so if we want something that looks good and is easy to use but has it is fairly powerful product whatever who do we really want to aim that at okay i mean where is the money yeah who would have the money to spend well if like €25 is our selling price and you can imagine well i do not i am not really sure how much that long retail at but you want it is somebody who is not going to just use the remote that comes with their tele i suppose they are going to actually go out and buy one so who do you think we are aiming this at i think it will be the mid range to a high end market in terms of people because €25 for a remote how much is that it is about 16 £17 i think is that a lot of money to buy an extra remote or a little bit of remote okay so maybe not the high end range but maybe middle middle upish okay you know how much i do not know i guess you pay what can quickly a remote like a simple replacement yeah i mean if you lost your remote and the 1st thing you just want to go out yet this kind of touches on your comments there david these are the age groups which we have information on and these are this is a table of what people would pay more for a certain feature just give us a rough idea of where the will to spend money on tv equipment is tv equipment is mostly focused around the 25 age group yeah so do you think we are aiming at a fairly young market then sort of young professional yeah okay do you think then voice recognition is something we should really seriously consider what do you think craig well you do not say it was the the adults that were going for the voice recognition yeah it does it does fit with the market that we are sort of identifying in terms of i think we are going to have to narrow it down to say let us target these people and give them what they want because you know there needs to be some kind of selling point to it so anybody anything to add just kind of young professionals like if we are going to include speech recognition it is kind of between 15 and 35 it seems to be like a really high response to that so we could say that was our target to 35 is fair to add that in yeah because that is more than half a group of people who are willing to at least try and use it okay so 15 to 35 look fairly young you know they have a bit of expandable income to spend on this sort of thing i think perhaps that age group is significant as well because those are people who use the computer who are familiar with computers in the everyday work i think people who are baby about i would not say 35 but people around 40 ish and above now would not be so dependent and reliant on a computer or mobile phone or something like that so these are people who are gadgety right people are growing up used to you know in schools and in universities when you go on to their working lives yeah so they are not shy away from something quite high tech that is a good point okay so shall we make the decision to include speech recognition if we can if we can i think one thing you should try not to avoid is not to say we have to use speech recognition right now okay why is that based on what you everybody is saying that you want something simple you want basic stuff and you want something that is easy speech recognition might not be the simplest thing right okay could it be an on off thing like if you want it on we can activate and deactivate it yeah we are trying to lock ourselves into a particular kind of technology rather than focusing on exactly what are the features that we are going to say and then you know sure speech recognition is good for this speech recognition is not good for this sure okay i suggest that we think about speech recognition sure it is something that can be used to fulfill a function but at the end of the day we do not look at the technology but we will get the function 1st okay okay well do you want to give us your presentation and then we can i know it might have been a good idea to all deliver our presentations and then discuss but this is a hybrid good to get ideas out while they are fresh in mind exactly it is something it just occurred to me as well we make it speech recognition that is appealing to people maybe with physical disability as well yeah and not losing and also it helps in terms of people not losing this you know they they are saying 0 it i lose it in the couch yeah it is like we are kind of what we are sort of getting into here is mating different design features together okay i can one problem with speech recognition is i am like to see one been used and the technology in that one was not pretty amusing so you end up yelling of control for hours prior channel up i really have seen one before do you think maybe we need like further advances in that kind of area until it is worthwhile incorporating it i think it is probably quite expensive to of course not there you go nice well this is just the working design well this is just what i would go about it i guess i try to define like what we are doing now try to define what we are trying to get done i think in a practical way we kind of know what it is we have used it we are familiar with it but we can not we have not narrowed down exactly what the things we are trying to fulfill like design is the basics i think in the back of our minds we know what the basics are it is the change channels just change volume but in like specifics which one of the basics are you trying to target are there certain parts of the basics that are more important or less important or less important than the basic i just the idea is just to get everybody to i usually have a design as a basic so you know things that to start everything going but i guess everybody does have some idea so i do not think you can use for that okay this finding things is a little bit confusing so i will go into the diagram it just explains how the process goes through from the basic technology point of view the basic steps that you need and the diagram this slide probably works better okay you need some power source their battery or something to keep it going and that power source is important because it ties you down to how long the device will last it ties you down perhaps a bit later in terms of technology how far you can transmit the signal or the complexity of the functions that you want for example voice recognition that might be constrained because you might need to power a microphone you might need to part other things that is one perhaps constraint there okay the basic thing is there is a user interface where people punch a button or talk into it or smile to it or blink their eyes whatever and that picks up an input from a user a logic a series of logic has to decide what the user is telling the device telling the device and the device has to you know based on you push bunn a so i will do something with bund n a so it may be a b nai so maybe b nai is a powerbun and then you need to be able to send the signal out to the device itself which is the receiver here and i think that is what it in the sense of my design it is fairly general and i guess the purpose of this is also not to restrict you in the way you are thinking like voice recognition right if it is something which is important then we just add more power rather than having a thing that we do not have enough power so it is not really constraint in that sense but these are functionary what energy has to do so i guess the rest of it i think we should maybe you want to go back to what the functions are i think that is more relevant to a discussion well do you want to finish up your your whole presentation are you all done it is just putting the rest of it into words but it is essentially a transmitter and input okay okay and like on the since we are on the topic of the technology are there any like what are our options what is what is is this the only way that we go about it or are there other these are not technology options in that sense this is just a basic principle okay basic components that i needed for example if you needed to add a voice recognition then you use it in the face would be split broken down into more components if you have a microphone the vr and stuff like that so it is just how we are kind of modularizing the whole thing okay so each component represents one function but i think the basic functions of the logic the transmitter and the receiver okay and the power are things that you will not have to care about and those are things that based on what your user in the face requires they will add more functionality to it there might be one other consideration which would be the transmission between the remote control and the tv for example okay okay are we going to restrict ourselves to using the traditional technologies over the internet okay because that is something you need to actually be physically pointing to okay well a way that was expressed in the new requirements was that if we made this too complex it would affect how long it took us to get this to market so i suspect it might be a good idea to restrict our creative influence on this on the user interface and not worry so much about how we transmit it because i mean it is tried and tested infrared there might be one other problem with the transmission in particular right now since we are talking about voice recognition if somebody is going to talk to the device you really want them to hold it to them you may not require that but it is something very natural i guess to hold it signal to the user and push a button maybe to start talking about it then you need to send the signal out so if you are using infrared the line of sight say the tv is at that chair and i am standing in front of here and the transmitter of here that blocks it so in that sense there is not really a restriction but it is something you may have to think about later on in the process okay and just to clarification before we finish this is our question controller have the option of being on a standard frequency as all of the other equipment so that the one controller can control several pieces of equipment there is not much specific information but i think that one indication of infrared means that they are just targeting traditional devices yeah well we have in the new requirements spec they said just to focus on the tv so that is what we should do for now i think something i was wondering about was the power is it worth considering having a charging unit as opposed to just regular batteries i mean is that something you really want to go into to think or should we just consider running on regular batteries from the component point of view there is added complexity you add cost to it and then there is probably the fact that you need another physical component you need docking cradle for example yeah put it into charge okay you need to get the user to plug it in okay so most users are already used to the idea buying batteries and putting it into control but unless the controller is going to consume a lot of batteries like he is going to run through like 20 batteries a month then i do not think rechargeable or something you should okay so just stick to regular okay right so basically the i am just going to just recap what i said at the start was that the whole point of this meeting was to absolutely was to absolutely finalize who we are going to aim this at and what exactly the product is going to do so just to recap on are we all happy about the idea of aiming the product at the 15 to 35 bracket yeah that is good and also the actual functions of what it is going to do do you want to recap on that craig i think we used to say that it was going to be the most basic as possible is possible on off up and down channels up and down volume and skip the channel okay right is it going to include any of the more advanced features or are we going to eliminate those i think we include mute but apart from that i think we just go for the simpleness okay is it not an option still that we include some things just as sort of under like sort of under a door yeah it is optional optional functions what i would be a bit worried about is if someone was had previously developed habits of expecting to control surround sound or this and that with their controller and then they you know they get ours it does not have that i do not know if that would be a problem another thing that you were saying about telegizing the control maybe i could suggest we break them down in the 3 simple categories yeah okay video control okay this may not map very well to advanced functionality especially but i think that from a manufacturer point of view a person designing the device but i think from the point of view of the person using the device you know a tv is something they see and something they hear and it is something they do other things to turn it on and turn it off so what we could have is like 2 buckets right and you could throw things into like if you want in this future let us go it into there and then from there the site then it is basic or it is non basic okay okay and it might help with the visualization and it would actually help with the component build as well okay okay great right okay well i have got 5 minutes to wrap up now next thing we are doing is having lunch woo hoo and then we are going to have 30 minutes of working on the next stage so i will be putting the minutes of this this meeting into the project documents folder so i guess just to confirm that we know what we are doing in the next well in the 30 minutes after lunch anyway for our industrial designer you are going to be thinking about the components concept user interface designer are going to be thinking about our user interface and marketing you are going to be thinking about trend watching and you will all get specific instructions as well so i do not know just just just to ask now if you have got anything else you have thought about while we have been talking do you want to start with david anything else to say at all no okay yeah i just wanted to ask then before we wrap up shall we agree for sake of sort of clarity and when we resume that we will use this idea david is proposal we think of these 3 sort of buckets yeah yeah i think that is definitely good idea okay we are talking about this should we do that now yeah okay great just about the 3 buckets what would go in the device functions one things like on off because they do not have anything to do with what you see yeah i mean in terms of picture and the entertainment value okay and channel and channel right because the on off also goes you know like on off like power not on off sound yeah on off video although you do not turn off some video on your tv but you might want to you know turn off the sound say you want to pick up the phone the mute button okay you have you have a choice of putting it onto others or device device is basically anything which we can not categorize like okay so you are going to have audio which is going to be like you know your base settings and actual volume anything to do with what you hear okay okay and then visual video is anything that you can see okay so brightness contrast things like that and then just actual device things like what channel you are watching turning on and off stuff like that okay i suppose quite likely what would happen is in the device category there might be some which are just like the habitual standard and then others which are maybe a bit more like random which we have no other place to put yeah okay okay even if it does not map very clearly what happens is that people at least have some in their mind it is easy to use i think that is one thing that and i guess from the component point to do as well because i think it is like fixed it okay so yeah i guess just things to think about or you know like the fact it has got to look good because of who we are you know targeting this at something maybe kind of quirky in design maybe make it kind of ergonic kind of to hold you know things like that so i guess i guess that is it great the meeting over woo hoo now we get to go find out what was picked up for lunch for us thank you thank you you know thank you thank you thank you" ]

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[ "okay so now we are on the conceptual design meeting y getting close to the last is the penultim meeting how was lunch thanks do not be sarcastic great mark so i will again do the secretary part we will have 3 presentation 1st the industrial design 1st rama then mark and then sammy rama ramaro we have to take a decision on the control remote control concepts and we have 40 minutes so what we want to the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the 1st on the component concept so what kind of energy we use what kind of chip on print and one ki kind of case and also on user interface concept what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements and at the end sammy will give a trend watching on what he is he has been doing it is so let us go 1st with rama participant 2 yeah participant 2 component yep so we are to mainly design f mainly need to know which components we will use for energy and the material and interface for energy there are maybe 2 or 3 possibilities 1st one we can use simple battery or we can use traditional solar cells or and the material we can have plastic rubber which is good for this r s a and then titanium ah which can be which have very good look an and then interface we are to use push buttons or liquid crystal d l c d display and we can use some moving kind of thing so as we discussed before we need to we would like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control so this can be simple kind of programmable chip and which can use microphone sensors and we also want to look at our remote control so still we are looking for possible technical specifications and how w easy we can do and within our pri range like we are to in our €12 or around that so we are looking for simple devices or simple technology to do the location of remote control in a room or in a house okay so we discussed an excuse me so we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells and it would be problematic to have enough energy with the solar cells and so we would like to just use simple battery and also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or and well the problem is with this design we found that we can not use double curved shapes what is a double curved shape like you can have 2 curves huh why it is i think in manufacturing i guess it is problematic so we want to go for simple push buttons because it need a simple chip and it is really lesser re really less expensive compared to l c d which are which needs advanced chip technology and it is more expensive since we want to put some other features such as speech recognition we want to reduce cost i want to know why it b just sorry but for the point before why not the rubber the cost if it is something that it seems to be light and also like in if you put a it is be difficult to do all the molding of buttons and these things and okay you m titanium it is more yeah w we can use something like you know the whole body is titanium but there are some rubber or i dunno some rubber parts like to make it feel better and to you know like this yeah yes so like in cell phones recently these you can with the rubber in 4 directions and yeah yeah huh yeah okay but full assembly we will use mainly for titanium rubber is expensive and also it is bit difficult to do all the shapes okay okay okay and this push buttons we we would like to use push buttons instead of l c d s and so we want to mo i mean we are we want to put speech recognition so we want to reduce price on this technology and so that we can have enough space or enough money for yeah so okay s so simple button and speech recognition for the more complicated s s speech y yeah we have simple buttons and speech recognition technology so okay okay and still we have can we still include the l l s d display l c d l c d yeah l c d l seems not it is either l c d or push button so it is like a no it is not going to be a t no touchable but still like a source of information or source for menus ah yeah maybe maybe we can see depending on how we will come up with our full design then if we have enough money or like for and because the speech recognition technology will take at least €5 or or something so we want to reduce the cost on display or this inter okay so let us try it let us t the l c d would the display would only be display and not touch sensitive you mean yeah yeah it is it is not going to be a touch pad just a display for giving you information just for output yeah yeah ok yeah that can we we can consider because like it will not take much money i guess because okay okay yep you have any further questions or i guess no so the batteries are going to be very light yeah yeah we are to go for li and now i think we have many options in the market so we can go for small nickel or alkaline batteries for okay really light batteries and with good price so this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just the finding it basically instead of clapping why not just be ask yeah that is then the the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like in the household so it it it will be it m maybe at least 5 6 people want to use it so so how to how to define our re speech recognition whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent if we are going for more speaker independent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really m more technology and so okay for the location yeah if if everybody in the house n to locate then we are to go for some speaker independent technology or something okay okay so let us now go to the you do not have more question no it is okay no more questions thank you yep thank you puts less of constraint on what we can do but yeah yeah yeah yeah it is always like that we have dreams and the in the end we find out that it is not feasible yeah but 0 anyway we have some limitations yeah but still l s d is already quite nice l c i am an artist sorry l c d l s d is something else and it is quite nice as well okay so go on artist so that is not i hope that is not too much yeah now let us talk about interface okay participant number 3 3 3 which one have a look at this no it is yeah okay so the concept of the interface generally i developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface but for possible instruction or user is manual and all the complex things that come together with your t v and remote controls so let us start with this we got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttons and we got explanation for every button and you can use your time and it will take i some days to learn all this buttons and the l c d is going to be somewhere here and go back button i do not know really where it is maybe one of this buttons and power on and off i i do not remember so it it it should be maybe this button is power on and off or no i can see nothing so that is our concept it is called the millennium remote control let us change millenniums so maybe you can use in the end and yeah does not make sense this is very ugly really i thought you like it 0 no too much concept ah okay just press the button please ah no yeah we will not use this we will not use this but instead of this i will devise that is our concept ah back today and it has got just few buttons quite low looking and all this stuff we already we already discussed kay and what will people say they will say it is perfect or what will say they will say it is splendid and e everyone will say i will buy it and everyone is going to be satisfied do you think it can come in several colors or did the i would make a backlight of the l c d screen with different colors but not the case not the case the case would only be in that aluminum titanium stuff like yeah because apparently from your survey people like colors no yeah well they like something which is yeah okay so let us remember there is a nokia phone which changeable panels yeah okay so that would be the option do you like it i do not know i do not have a nokia phone but but it is i do not use that but again i might that is why you do not have it yeah bu but that is why cause it is nasty but it would be expensive no if you use color l c d no instead of that maybe we can change the color of the assembler maybe we can just if users want more colors they can pay more money to get this the shapes and they can have different assembly i am here so users have different i mean they have their own interests color interests and so okay so so we can just if they want they can just pay another €2 huh okay so you you propose something with option i that increase the price if we if you want 0 more colors on l c d yeah kay yeah yeah yeah yes if they want like so that we can yeah kind of upgradable remote control yeah wow wow okay just they will get few more things and few more colors okay what there is one more decisi one more solution in fact cause there are some some paints that can change color according to where they are like they can reflect different colors lights yeah and thermodynamic also depending on what is around like what color is around and depending on the temperature yeah yeah like a chameleon yeah yeah we can make it in fact yeah but that is maybe mo too much expensive yeah if if if the okay but it can be in maybe in an a gradable version but so yeah because i think there are 2 kinds of people those for which the remote control is is to be something useful i am going to talk about this later but and those for which is something that that that is specific to them so it it is like a signature my remote control is pink nobody else than me has a pink remote control huh and that makes me special okay and you think that we do not have to make to make them pay more because of 0 or this is i think i think they would be ready p ready to pay more for that okay so those who wanted to have it pink so i it is not a s base service it is a no no so be an option yeah it might be optional yeah okay but those people will be really few no so like we can those the the young people the young people want to be different from their friends ah although similar but have something just slightly better yeah pink so m so maybe that is if that it is a selling point maybe it has to be the base yeah yeah yeah yeah but you know if you want to be different you just take your remote control with you all the time and you will be different and it makes you different you know yeah yeah you always have your remote in the train hello no 0 you do not anyone has their remote controls here yeah you do not have your remo no want to change my neighbor wh you you know like for instance take the ipod it is a kind of remote control it is white and it is so white that you see it from any anywhere it has this distinctive look and feel and look which people seems to like just because it is a color that we do not usually see in a remote control okay white huh huh could we integrate something into our remote control something like light seems important that they can use it in darkness like glow in the dark so hand light yeah yeah maybe like the infrared like we can put some radium chips or something so that like at least yeah iradium okay yeah that ah sorry okay okay okay okay s well let us go on maybe with the presentation so yeah huh yeah sure and the remote control is going to be smart but how smart should it be to not to complicate things too much 0 and i dunno that is a question to you and to to well so i heard that it seems that speech recognition is something that can be done so that is the smartness of the thing currently we do not have guns with speech recognition or beer cans with speech recognition but we may have remote controls with speech recognition okay okay i dunno that is a nice world so just just just just think about it thank you do not touch the remote okay but yeah are are you saying here that the remote controls should be aware of who is using it so for instance the young guy would not be able to use it because his father does not want yeah i just want to say it should be real smart like with some maybe fingerprint recognition or voice recognition is quite tough i say do not use it and the control just looks yeah cause i ordered jus that that could be feasible i guess like to l to l lock it okay so since we have we want to do some speaker dependent speech recognition so we can use yeah so it could be smart in that way yeah yeah okay but for instance th i i am thinking about the other particularity that the the remote control could have s since it it knows who is using it it might also record the kind of channels you are u more often using and levels of volumes that you are more often things like that and provide you ways of using them yeah yeah sure yeah i dunno somehow i dunno that might be expensive but yeah it is that might also be a good sales pitch again the remote that knows you okay okay thanks so it is yeah marketing expert my turn okay it is alright participant 2 4 4 i think 4 sorry trend yeah no yes okay so i am going to talk about trends and i hope this can help us to to understand l how we should design our remote control so next slide please so 1st maybe just a small recap on how how do we watch trends so it is not so simple you might think that it is easy but it is not so simple anyway these days the best source of information is the web as you know so have to to go often on the web and look at what the others are doing and ask real people who are using real remote controls every day or any other tool that is similar to a remote control which basically is a small device that people have with them always like a phone we can we can use the phone as a as a good example of where to in be inspired of course those tha d who are watching the trends are also have also to be inspired because in fact they are not only watching the trends they are inventing it they are creating the trend i hope i am going to try to help you on that this is more risky because you are not following the trend you try to invent it which means either you succeed and you make a lot of money or you do not and you are out of business so anyway next slide please to be to be quick there is a lot of words here but basically there are in in the market of of remote controls there are 3 aspects that we should very pay much attention to the 1st one which seems to be the most important one is that it has to be fancy it has to have a fancy look and feel and interestingly this is the very most important thing it has to be fancy strangely enough it is more important to be fancy than to be wi and now that is the 2nd thing it has to be it has to be technologically i innovative it has to be new with some of new technology inside and and this is also more important than the last thing which we w may think that would have been the most important which is that it should be easy to use and it should be easy to use as a remote control so as you see it 1st have to be very nice s something that people are proud of that i they can be id identified with and and then something that contains very novel stuff that they can talk about with their friends huh mine has this and not yours and finally of course it has to be useful as a remote control but it seems that it is not so important that it is useful as a remote control next slide please and now in a more general broad way of seeing th the thing if we look back and not look at only remote controls i think it is important to see that the trends are quite the same in many areas so currently the the trends that we see in l in l big cities like paris and milan well it seems that this year things should have a fruit and vegetable way of of look or feel or so and i think of course i it applies to everything that is the thing with trends it it can travel f from clothe to furniture same idea fruit and vegetable think fruit and vegetable and if we co we compare to last year now it has to be spongy yeah what is spongy well this so so i think i yeah kind of maybe when we were talking about rubber i think the rubber aspect might be important because it is what is probably more feasible in terms of sponginess yeah it yeah s yeah so maybe titanium it is not a good idea seems not seems not we need to think about yeah so sorry mark it seems to be think more of something in the colors of like fruit and vegetables and spongy fruit even shape as a even in the shape it has to be more round and more yeah more look natural somehow yeah i mean and not those futuristic remote control with angles and and titanium like so that is what people seem to yeah i i know it is quite far from what you thought but that is that is fashion and you are old fashioned sorry okay okay okay that is all i have to say you have questions so these abilities are mainly ad addressed by young people or it is these i am sorry this you you so did you yeah yeah we have people listening to the trends everywhere in the world of course where 0 0 okay as you know our company is quite big and so i am just asking them what are the current trends according to them when they go in the stores and when they ask their friends that are also well it is not from yeah yeah it is more general trend it is not particular to the remote control no it is not it is not this this is very general yeah but it seems that trends travel across things yeah the what we yeah but some materials n they are to be they are to be something like solid like they can not be really spongy or yeah yeah sure yeah we have to i think we have to have the look of fruit and vegetables but we still have to put our chips inside so of course yeah yeah sponge yeah yeah at least that is yeah yeah that yeah yeah this is your problem this is not mine yeah yeah looking yeah fruit these things can be easily incorporated we can have t colors or this shape or at least yeah yeah i think in the colors and in the the kind of material if if it is something like rubber made or i think it it is also going to be good yeah okay yeah okay no more question okay yep thanks so okay so we will have next meeting in 30 minutes again now you have to go straight on this individual action which i which are for rama wil design look and feel de mark the user interface design and sammy the product evaluation you will work together on a new on on a prototype using modeling clay sounds interesting and i as always your personal coach will send you specific instruction okay okay thanks so can we highlight the specific features of our yeah yeah you are right you have to so so we want the speech recogniser and we want some kind of buttons and we want some themes like fruits or vegetables that is we want to follow general trend so you say s spongy s do we agree on that yeah yeah we have to so do you think no we do not have to but seems it is the trend so we have to for no again as i said we can also try to make it to create the trend yeah yeah so are we confident enough on creating trends so there is no yeah well that is you t can try to convince us well we can make it smell like fruit okay okay that is a good idea that is that is a good idea i so titanium smell like fruit yeah so what about location and these things people are really interesting on those features or they really like they more want these fancy features like i think i yeah i it is again in this what i said 1st it has to be fancy so i think if nobody else pro provides currently a remote control with that kind of stuff and if we can provide it i think it is a good sell for us because we have it and others do not feature yeah yeah okay it is fancy whether it is useful or not does not seem to be very important yeah i i agree with this yeah now we have to decide on what kind of fanciness do we take titanium smelling like fruit or do we make spongy fruity like yeah we will try to explore these 2 options and yeah yeah maybe you could explore the 2 option yeah yeah could we make a titanium shape yeah at least like we can make banana or i mean fruit shaped do not you say that you cannot do double shape curved shape yeah but yeah it is it is yeah that is a we are to look for and and s we are to see the whether rubber is expensive and d doub double curved seems to be okay okay okay in fact i just agreed to make to make the like titanium panels on a whole rubber body well okay w we will see okay so you explore now that you are going to work together these these 2 yeah or or spongy an yeah yeah maybe we can have 2 different assembly also like one spongy and one kind of titanium we have only the plastic or the the chippy yeah fiber chips or we will see if you have time we will see yeah i do not think w i think we have to choose if we choose titanium or if we choose spongy but it cannot be both we will see i i really do not like this modeling clay cause you know it makes some for for i dunno yeah we will look yeah for creation yeah yeah ah you can pretend that it is titanium even design you can paint it afterward okay okay no problem we have a very large department of paint yeah do do not worry you you you speak with you will do it alright alright okay so explore a shape so still we want to keep l c d or i think it is what we say that we have an an l c d with information yeah okay not the thing is that if we want to have as he says if we want to have a small number of buttons we need to have a kind of output that says currently what their actions are yeah then we can yeah yeah that user friendly or yeah that is the converse to having zillions of button where each button does only one thing yeah yeah okay and we just stick with 2 batteries so it is not any solar or yeah yeah j yeah because yeah classical we stay classical in that we do not reinvent the wheel yeah yeah yeah yeah anyway it is very in general i think people change t v more often than batteries of their remote control yeah so because the trend goes faster than the life of the so it is very okay okay so are we yeah yeah we are done yeah we are done okay so see you in 30 minutes yep" ]

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[ "okay so now we are in the conceptual design meeting last the penultimate meeting how was lunch great do not be sarcastic bark so i will again with the secretary part we will have 3 presentations 1st the design 1st rama then mark and then sami and we have to take a decision on the remote control concepts and we have 40 minutes so what we want to the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the 1st on the component concept so what kind of energy we use what kind of chip on print and one kind of case and also on user interface concept what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements and at the end sami will give a trend watching on what is been doing so let us go 1st one is it rama yes yes part is right component yeah so we have to mainly design design merely need to know which components we will use for energy and the material and the interface for energy there are maybe 2 or 3 possibilities 1st one we can use simple battery or we can use traditional solar cells or and then material we can have plastic rubber which is good for this rsi and then titanium which can be which have very good look and then interface we have push buttons or liquid crystal lcd display and we can use some jack moving jack kind of thing so as we discussed before we need to to have some speech recognition chip in our remote control so this can be simple kind of programmable chip and which can use microphone as well as some sound sensors and we also want to locate our remote control so still we are looking for possible technical specifications and how easy we can do and within our range like we have to do in our €12 or around that so we are looking for simple devices or simple technology to do the location of remote control in a room or in house so we discussed and so we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells and it would be problematic to have enough energy with the solar cells and so we would like to just use simple battery and also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or and the problem is with this design we found that we can not use double curved shapes what is a double curve shape like you can have 2 curves huh wow it is i think in manufacturing i guess it is problematic so we want to go for simple push buttons because it need simple cheap and it is really less a really less expensive compared to lcd which are which need advanced chip technology and it is more expensive since we want to put some other features such as speech recognition we want to reduce i want to know why just the sorry but for the point before why not the rubber if it is something that it seems to be and also if you put rubber it is bit difficult to do all the molding of buttons and these things and you titanium it is more yeah what can use something like you know the whole body is titanium but there are some rubber like no some rubber parts like like to make it feel better like in cell phones recently you can move with that rubber in 4 directions okay yes but full assembly we will use mainly for titanium titanium because rubber is expensive and also it is a bit difficult to do all the shape and this push buttons we would like to use push buttons instead of lcds and so we want to move i mean we are more some time we want to put speech recognisers so we want to reduce price on this technology and so that we can have okay so enough space or enough money simple button and speech recognition for the more complicated yeah we have simple buttons and speech recognition technology and still we have can we still include the lsd display lcd yeah seems not it is either so it is like it is not not not touchable but still like a source of information or a source for many use yeah maybe maybe we can see depending on how we will come up with our full design then if you have enough money or like for and so because the speech recognition technology will take at least €5 or that cheap or something so we want to reduce the cost on display or this the display would only be display and not yeah it is not going to be a touch part just a just display for giving you information yeah that can be we can consider because like it will not take much money i guess okay okay you have any further question i guess no so the batteries are going to be very light yeah we have to go for and now i think we have many options in the market so we can okay go for small nickel or all kinds batteries for really light batteries and and with good price so these device that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for this finding it basically instead of clapping why just be asked then the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like in a household so it will be it maybe at least 56 people want to use it so so how to how to define our speech recognition whether we want to do speaker independent or speaker dependent if you are going for more speaker independent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really more technology and for the location yeah if if everybody in the house they want to locate then we have to go for some speaker independent technology okay okay so let us now go to the you do have a question no it is a more question it puts lots of constraint on what we can do but yeah yeah it is always like that we have dreams and in the end we find out that it is not feasible yeah anyway we have some limitations but still lsd is already quite nice lsd is something else and it is quite nice i am an artist sorry okay so that is not too much now let us talk about interface just about number 3 3 which one have a look at this no this yeah so the concept of the interface generally i developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface but for possible instruction or user is manual and all the complex things that come together with your tv and remote controls so let us start with this we got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttons with a lot of buttons and we got explanation for every button and you can use your time and it will take it some days to learn all these buttons and the lcd is going to be somewhere here and go back button i do not know really where it is maybe one of these buttons and power on and off i do not remember so it should be maybe this button is power on and off or no info i can see nothing so it is our concept it is called the millennium remote control let us change millenniums yeah so maybe you can use for those in the earth that does not make sense this is very really i thought you liked it 0 okay just press the bottom please ah no yeah we will not use this we will not use this but instead of this ugly device that is our concept and it has got just few buttons quite well looking and all this stuff we already discussed and what will people say they will say it is perfect or what it will say they will say it is blended and everyone will say i will buy it and everyone is going to be satisfied do you think it can come in several colors or did i would make backlight of the lcd screen with different colors but not the case not the case the case in case would only be that aluminum titanium stuff yeah because apparently from your survey people like color yeah well they like something which is okay so let us remember there is a nokia phone which changeable panels yeah okay so that would you like it i do not know i do not have a nokia phone but it is i do not use that but again that is why you do not have it yeah that is fine because it is nasty but it would be expensive if you use color lcd no instead of that maybe we can change the color of the assembly maybe we can just if you just want more colors they can pay more money to get this the shapes and they can have different assembly maybe so users have different i mean they have their own interest color interests and so so we can just if they want they can just pay another okay so you propose something with option yeah that increase the price if we yeah yeah if they want like yeah so that we can kind of upgradable yeah yeah remote control okay just they will get a few more things and few more colors there is one more decision one more solution in fact because there are some paints that can change color according to where they are like they can reflect different colors depending on what is around like what color is around depending on the temperature yeah can make it in fact yeah but that may be too much expensive but it can be maybe in a gradable version because i think there are 2 kinds of people those for which the remote control is to be something useful i am going to talk about this later and those for which it is something that is specific to them so it is like a signature my remote control is pink nobody else than me has a pink remote control and that makes me special and you think that we do not have to make them pay more because of i think they would be ready pretty to pay more for that okay so those who wanted to have it been so it is not a base service no it might be optional but those people will be really few you know so like the young people who want to be different from their friends friends although similar but have something just slightly better pink so maybe that if that it is a selling point maybe it has to be the base yeah but you know if you want to be different you just take your remote control with you all the time and it makes you different you know anyone has the remote control here you do not you do not have you hello no i want to change my name like for instance take the ipod it is a kind of remote control it is white and it is so white that you see it from anywhere it has this distinctive look and feel and look video which people seems to like just because it is a color that we do not usually see in a remote control white could we integrate something into our remote control something like light that i can use it in darkness glute the dark yeah maybe like the infrared like we can put some radium chips or something so that like at least some eradium yeah not uranium just radium yeah that okay okay so well let us go on maybe it was a presentation yeah sure and the remote control is going to be smart but how smart should be to not to complicate things too much and i do not know that is a question to you and to well so i heard that it seems that speech recognition is something that can be done so that is the smartness of the thing currently we do not have guns with speech recognition or beer cans with speech recognition but we may have remote controls with speech recognition okay okay so that is a nice world just think about do not touch the remote thank you okay but yeah are you are you saying here that the remote control should be aware of who is using it so for instance the young guy would not be able to use it because his father does not want yeah i just want to say it should be smart maybe fingerprint recognition voice recognition is quite enough i say do not use it and the control just locks yeah because i ordered i am just that could be feasible like this so since we want to do some speaker dependent speech recognition on so so it could be smart in that way that way okay but for instance i am thinking about the other particularity that the remote control could have since it knows who is using it it might also record the kind of channels you are more often using levels of volumes that you are more often you know things like that and provide you ways of using them i do not know somehow i do not know that might be expensive but that might also be a good sales speech again the remote that knows you okay okay okay so my turn yeah marketing expert okay sorry participant 4 i think trend yeah no yes okay yeah no yes okay so i am going to talk about trends and then i hope this can help us to understand how we should design our remote control so next slide please so 1st maybe just a small recap on how do we watch trends so it is not so simple you might think that it is easy but it is not so simple anyway these days the best source of information is the web as you know so have to go often on the web and look at what the others are doing and ask real people who are using real remote controls every day or any other tool that is similar to a remote control which basically is a small device that people may have with them always like a phone we can use the phone as a good example of where to be inspired of course those who are watching the trends have also to be inspired because in fact they are not only watching the trends they are inventing it they are creating the trend i hope i am going to try to help you on that this is more risky because you are not following the trend you try to invent it which means either you succeed and you make a lot of money or you do not and you are out of business so anyway next slide please to be quick there is a lot of words here but basically there are in the market of remote controls there are 3 aspects that we should very pay much attention to the 1st one which seems to be the most important one is that it has to be fancy it has to have a fancy look and feel and interestingly this is the very most important thing it has to be fancy strangely enough it is more important to be fancy than to be and now that is the 2nd thing it has to be it has to be technologically innovative it has to be new with some of new technology inside and this is also more important than the last thing which we may think that would have been the most important which is that it should be easy to use and it should be easy to use as a remote control so as you see it 1st have to be very nice something that people are proud of that they can be identified with and then something that contains very very novel stuff that they can talk about with their friends mine has this and not yours and finally of course it has to be useful as a remote control but it seems that it is not so important that it is useful as a remote control next slide please now in a more general broad way of seeing the thing if we look back and not look at only remote controls i think it is important to see that the more important to see that the trends are quite the same in many areas so currently the trends that we see in big cities like paris and milan well it seems that this year things should have a fruit and vegetable way of look or feel so i think of course it applies to everything that is the thing with trends it can travel from cloth to furniture same idea fruit and vegetable think fruit and vegetable and if we compared to last year now it has to be spongy what was spongy well so so i think a yeah when we were talking about rubber i think the the rubber aspect might be important because it is what is pretty more feasible in terms of sponginess so maybe titanium it is not a good idea seems not seems not we need to think about yeah so sorry mark think more of something in the colors of like fruits and vegetables and spongy even the shape even in the shape it has to be more round and more color yeah look natural somehow i mean and not those futuristic remote control with angles and titanium like so that is what people seem to do i know it is quite far from what you thought but that is fashion man okay okay that is all i have to say do you have questions so this update is mainly addressed by people or it is i am sorry this you got some update fashion updates yeah we have people listening to the trends everywhere in the world of course as you know our company is quite big and so i am just asking them what are the current trends according to them when they go in the stores when they ask there are friends that are also it is more general trend it is not particular to remote no it is not it is not this this is very general yeah but it seems that trends travel across things the what we yeah but some materials there to be there to be something like solid like they can not be really spongy yeah we have to i think we have to have the look of fruit and vegetables yeah but we still have to put dark chips inside so of course this is your problem this is not mine yeah looking through these themes can be easily incorporated yeah i think in the colors or the kind of material if it is something like rubber made or i think it is also going to be good okay okay no question thanks so we will have the next and now you have to concentrate on this individual action which are for rama design design and design mark the user interface design and sami the product evaluation you will work together on a new on a prototype using modeling clay sounds interesting and as always your personal coach will send you a specific instruction okay okay thanks so can we highlight the specific features of our yeah you are right so we want the speech recognition and we want some kind of buttons and we want some themes like fruits or vegetables so we want to follow the general trend spongy do we agree on that agree on that yeah have to do you think so we have to 0 no we do not have to know seems it is the trend again as i said we can also try to make it yes so yeah so there is no are we confident enough in creating trends well that is you can try to convince us wow we can make it smell like fruit okay okay that is good idea so titanium smell like fruits so what about location and these things people are really interesting on those features or they really like they are more on these fancy features yeah it is again in what i said 1st it has to be fancy so i think if nobody else provides currently remote control with that kind of stuff and if we can provide it i think it is a good sell for us because we have it and others do not it is fancy whether it is useful or not it does not seem to be very important i agree with this now we have to decide on what kind of fanciness do we take titanium smelling like fruit or do we make spongy fruity like we will try to explore these 2 options you could explore the 2 options could we make a titanium shape yeah at least look at the fruit shape do not you say that you cannot do double shape yeah that is a way we have to look for alternatives and we have to see the weather rubber is expensive and in fact i just agreed to make to make like titanium panels titanium panels on a whole rubber body well okay okay so you explore now that you are going to work together these 2 or spongy and yeah maybe we can have 2 different disassembly also like one spongy and one kind of titanium because inside chips we have only the plastic or that you have to be yeah fiber chips or yeah i do not think i think we have to choose if we choose titanium or if we choose spongy but you will see i really do not like this modeling clay you know it makes some browns for i do not know creation yeah well look yeah you can not pretend it is titanium you can paint it after work department of paint do not worry you you will do it you speak with alright okay so explore shape so still we want to keep lcd or i think it is what we say that we had an lcd with information the thing is that if we want to have a he says if we want to have a small number of buttons we need to have a kind of output that says currently what there are actions are yeah that user friendly yeah that is the converse to having the zillions of button where each button does only one thing yeah and we just stick with 2 battery source not any so classical we stay classical in that we do not reinvent the wheel anyway it is very in general i think people change tv more often than batteries of their remote control because the trend goes faster than the life of the okay okay are we we are done we are done so see you in 30 minutes i am going to" ]

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[ "and something to fidget with okay see right on your marks get set go kay right such a long time since i have done these did did you guys actually had sort of the interaction or discussions while you we doing the annotation did you have had stages of clarification or i suppose you did right we did yeah at the beginning we did we did a training set did not we and then compared to see yeah yeah we did 2 of those did not we we probably did i think we did 2 training sets and then we had at least one meeting with you where we talked it all through yeah and supposedly decided on things and then we did th all the rest of them separately yes yeah so did you feel that it was some some kind of some process of convergence like that initially had quite different ideas about the phrase types and and markations and then eventually you came up with some kind of rules that you set up between the 2 of you yes i think or i would say no but i d i mean i thought we had basically the same ideas to b i do not remember ever having strong arguments about what should be in what group or it was just the rules about things that s yeah okay yeah but you convinced me no that is true it is the length of it really but we had and what counted as wha as for the spectral features it was more confusing what counted as a spectral feature and we had a long discussion about that that is really hard yeah yeah but i do not remember sort of arguing from different sides and converging just sort of piecing out what would come up and agreeing what we would do no yeah yeah and we we had a manual which we have not got here do you reckon if we get a copy would that be useful it probably would be but i do not i it has been a long time yeah since we have done this are we allowed to leave the meeting now it is started can we get ben to print us out one yeah i think so yeah that would be handy okay yeah i dropped a okay yes now we are moving with the headphones sign off so did dere derek and ben has the the file that they this manual or we did send it to him yeah he has had it certainly yes he is he has been e emailed it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he has been emailed it while ago otherwise we can go onto our system and get it 0 okay now he has gone there is a cool little count down clock that lets you know exactly how long you have been meeting as well yes let us say something rude 0 really excellent i 0 top we should have these things in our area you know we do not have high tech things but no how little work we did no we do not at all i am doing that at yes well i guess there is telescopes but that that is that is different though is not it yeah but they are hardly in our areas that is not no yeah they have got a conference thing have not they in the a t c yeah that is right although you 0 it is not actually used all that often these days i think i had to fly to germany to do a teleconference the same as you did for the interview yeah i did as well gosh and they fly you to germany and put you on a 4 way teleconference with 3 people in chile and had they asked we could have done it fine at a t c and saved me having to to go to germany for a day right aye no right but gosh they have not got that far it is a very strange interview feeling as well because you can not see them while you are giving your talk and you miss all the the body language and things yeah yeah because they just show usually they have a camera on you and a camera on them right but during the talk part they have a camera on i believe them cause i could see that guy reading a newspaper halfway through my talk and then they had a camera on showing what my slides were and so you forget that they can see you at all right right and so when all that was over they were answering me questions and the view switched again i realized they were sitting there in the interview going and mine was even it was different again so w we had it was a 4 way split screen with me and 3 other people and it just stayed like that right and i had the talk on a laptop in front of me and they had the talk on their laptops right and i had to tell tell them when to press the button to turn the page 0 right yeah gosh it just and you can not say looking over here yes if you see towards the top left of the image you will notice and luckily olivia had warned me it might be complicated yeah like 0 yeah and so i had something with without very many n not little flying in and things because that would just make it really difficult that is very artificial though is not it yeah not very sensible yeah right but i practiced the talk yeah standing up in front of it and pointing to things yeah yeah and you are sitting down in front of and you could see yourself but not only could s you see yourself you see yourself bounce back 2 seconds later by the time the signal had gone to chile and back that must be really weird yeah is there it is really strange gosh so you are like 0 did i just do that and then you reacting to what you did a while ago yeah gosh it was a really daft situation well okay right it is printing it out as well great lovely excellent and then we can start fighting about right shall w shall we dive in in the interim or yes let us continuum flux or continuum yes flux on its own would not be a spectral feature i think it should probably just be continuum if it was continuum luminosity you probably would not it ooh no you would not do i think i am do i think i am working out who is top and bottom yeah i am happy enough with that i do not feel strongly about it okay it is my part i actually have not really thought about like marking or not marking who is top and who is bottom 0 i think maybe that would make sense for you guys to know ah i do not know i think i think we have worked ben said he he left it out on purpose which is reason yeah yes and i am pretty sure i am bottom anyway yeah i am pretty sure i am top so even on one we can tell okay fair enough cause i would fight for line being a spectral feature as well right right yeah i think that is probably right as well it is a bit hard to mark on this let us do that okay next so so you sorry just for the convention you you you marking which which the annotation you think is is the right one the ones we want okay fair enough yes and if neither then we will have to put something else okay okay so here we are missing soft component on the bottom and i think you are probably right soft component is a spectral feature there if you get line i get soft component ooh do you think sorry i i should not intervene probably well if you do not no but well the is not it that if it is a region of the spectrum that is u yeah go ahead and we can point at it and then it is a sp a sp spectral f f yeah feature and that is not pi you can point to a soft component you can point to a soft component you think yeah yeah okay alright it is a big bump in the soft bit okay is it okay okay now is a feature part of spectral feature i think you are right there as well it c yeah i am not fussed about that cause it it is not just absorption they both mean the same thing but it is not just absorption 5 k v it is actually something in the absorption that you are seeing if it was a a dip in absorption or a yeah a lack of absorption you would put it in because we said we would put describing words this is the this is the thing you point to yep yeah that is the thing you point to and this is a ph a physical mechanism so yeah i would say 2 down you would get a pencil 215 to go excellent that is 2 that is definitely 2 you are right ah there is one with the equivalent width i think you are right that we we were not going to mark the equivalent width but we were going to mark the lines i think that is true yeah alrighty what are we missing broad line broad line and that should be a and nebulae yeah that is true you get that as a source type i do not remember what we were doing with nebulae we were not doing like h 2 regions and stuff were we i can not remember i can not remember actually should we see when the manual comes yeah so let us come back to that one yeah yep yes i what we are doing about that either we were doing descriptions that made things separate classes in which case i would argue for elliptical i think select a yeah that seems reasonable my god i have just gone mad with the underlining here yes yeah i breaking the power law index i think that is probably a you can point to it but equally it is not a it is something you have derived yeah that is the thing but you would not know it was a p yeah the parallel index is something you desi derive a break in a spectrum is something you can point at yeah so so what is a breaking a power law index i think it is a feature because in the s sp spectrum it does that and it does that so it yeah yeah b that thing there yep that is that is where it breaks okay so yeah slight depression of the continuum near the lyman limit i think you are right there as well and if i did it again i would say a slight depression of the continuum and possibly well but we are supposed to say w cause you can see both the slight depression and the lyman limit but we are supposed to say the descriptive words of the features so yeah i if it was absorption at h alpha that would all be one or absorption at 5000 nanometres would all be one anyway yeah but they would be the same they would both be the same spectral feature whereas here they are 2 spectral features because it was at a certain point but this is near there is a lyman limit which you could see and then there is a slight depression near it but yeah i think you are right it is it is near rather than at it is not yeah let us mark that then do you have a sense about that 0 you want to s split that one and do you into 2 yeah yes yeah yeah i would agree with that i think yeah is that k clear excellent 0 yeah okay absorption huh that i did not mark because it is the physical process of absorption yes and you are right there as well not the the thing tell you who is more awake at this would there be other cases where you would actually mark an ab absorption or yeah if it was there is an absorption feature or absorption to see it the spectrum at this wave length an absorption feature but when you say for example the the quasar is absorbed that just means the quasar is behind a a bunch of stuff cheers thanks yeah so that is describing something physically rather than describing the spectrum itself thank you okay so thank you there is no steep soft component but our 2 k v i do not remember what we were going to do about things that were not there it is not something you can point to you could point to it if it were there yes you could i tend to miss out things if they are too long but if it had been there you would have you would point to it marked it yeah had it as a feature yeah yes i think you are right yeah should we go back to number 5 is that the nebula huh but yes nebula 0 yeah was it the nebula thin yeah yeah what were we saying about nebula source types no nebula counts does not it i think it does right we were not matching a h 2 regions because it was a region i think was the argument for that yeah line again line in ratios yeah but that is line ratios but i remember we were not going to mark line ratios but we were going to mark cau we are here where you have got equivalent width of h beta orbited but ratio is different i guess line in in line in line ratios is modifying ratios it is not it it is it is not talking about specific lines i guess it is similar a line ratio is a thing yeah because you have not actually listed explicitly that you are not going to include it right do not include l line ratio is after abundances so is that the value or is that the word yeah 0 i see what you mean yeah do not it in include the derived property yeah yeah i mean you would not you would not include abundances or line strengths well no yeah it should not be in you would not include line in that okay i do not think whoop no 0 i see what you are doing you are circling the one we like right the one to keep yeah damped lyman alpha absorbers i think that is a spectral feature even though it is you would not mark the source type 0 sorry yep so so can i just ask w w now you just aligned d sorry you circle the word in the in the outline which did not here yes because we do not want it underlined right sorry it should not be highlighted ok 0 i see okay so right damped lyman see again that is these are source types the i mean it is not a source type yeah cheers m i see b but it is also a i i if we have but damped lyman alpha absorbers are th are physical things not spectral features but th but you also absorb them by y you observe them by their spectral feature what were we doing for things broad absorption line quasar for example we were marking the broad absorption line as well as broad absorption line quasar ye so i think it should be the same as that if it is defined by a spectral feature we should mark it but you would not be able to point something in a spectrum and say that is a damped lyman alpha absorber unless you would here you could point to damped lyman alpha though yeah because it says here spectral features we are now referring to a type of source e g quasar yeah you could do but we would not say absorbers were a type of source not a bis specific type of source but i think still the the spectral feature ge counts even though it is m a modifier of something okay i am not certain about that but i what do you reckon bob well i mean you could look at this this spectrum and spot that th l lyman alpha has been damped but that is a n spectral feature d do not with damped lyman alpha observers you them a variety of places along the line of sight so you have to know 0 yeah no that is true how does it work i do not know what which does not help if you look at a quasar and you see a bunch if you got a bunch of clouds of gas in the way you can see these things and but you would not be able to point at one of them and say ah that is a damp yeah different redshifts yeah yeah yeah that is true they are going to be at different red shifts y ye but that does not mean that it is you could still say that is damped lyman alpha and that is damped lyman alpha i do not know how they do th that yeah but you could say all of that is damped lyman alpha but but you are guessing in a way though are not you yeah so but is not that j always the case with something that is not particularly ye well no but you see them in all sorts of different red red shifts it is like the the lyman alpha forest sort of and i am not certain i would i would mark that that is a that is a tricky one certain certainly it is a tricky one it it if it was if it was some other spectral feature and then absorbers would we mark it no i would not because it is they are physical things not spectral features you can not point at something on a spectrum and say that is definitely a d damped lyman alpha some i g and i guess it is because they are modifiers of this source type and we would not mark that source type but but we include modifiers of source types we would mark would not you we would not mark absorbers no we are not marking absorbers but if it was a damped lyman alpha quasar would not you have all of it then we would mark quasar and we would mark damped lyman alpha right well th yeah th that is in the the manual yeah if it was broad absorption line quasar we would mark it yeah yeah so so it is just i guess whether damped lyman alpha is a spectral feature in itself it is tricky one which i would probably say it was but then i have never looked at i one i g i guess it is i okay and that it is altering the spectrum is not it i mean is a ch change in the s spectrum of okay it does not have to be something that is specific background objects i guess y you know we we say a big blue bump or a soft or a continuum and we include those but we were not going to include s descriptions of spectral features that were based on fitting were we that true but w we have included c power law though is that right have we well no we included p steep soft component sorry and here we included breaking the power law because of the break steep soft component yeah breaking the power law is something i am not certain of steep soft component is something you can point at in a spectrum and say there it is but there is still some degree of fitting and it is steep you are saying yeah yeah you know what is steep and what is shallow it is tricky let us have that for now then you if if we change our mind later when we go through we can always come back to it and say yeah that is grand yeah yeah yes no again i would say this this is a physical process not a spectral feature yeah you are right and absorption again yeah right what have we got different here i do not have k star but i should do it is yeah it is that one and this one here 0 we were including feature within spectral feature wait where okay okay what is wrong with broad h alpha i think i just missed it right i think it is not as if it is a although it is 4 widths half maximum it is still the s the line within it yeah okay that was easy silicone 2 is an element rather than a in this context rather than a line these are the lines i guess what you w if was not in there then you would have it silicone 2 lines at but without with the i think that means silicone 2 derived from these 2 features yeah yeah i think so too in that okay m that is actually an ionic species is not it actually yeah that is true yeah not a a spectral feature as such 0 on its own yeah that is true lyman alpha forest clouds 0 no we are back to it again lyman alpha forest you can point to on the spectrum that is true but lyman alpha forest clouds are source types we are not marching marking so we have not basically we just have not got a a rule for spectral features within or referring to s types of source when we are not bother marking the source which we do not mark yeah but we can just be consistent so are we marking h 2 and h 2 regions for example and i do not think we are cause that is not a spectral feature in the spectrum we are looking at 0 that is true but b yeah but i guess it is not it is not defined by a spectral feature though h 2 region whereas no yeah lyman alpha forest is defined by the definition of lyman alpha forest clouds is that they have lyman alpha forests but saying that is not the same as saying we have seen that in a spectrum whereas a broad line quasar someone has looked at it and they have seen a broad line but someone is l someone is looked at that spectrum but if you are discussing lyman alpha forest clouds they could just be discussing the physical object which we are not marking b b why are not you marking it then because they were not i do not know i do not think we were making diffuse diffuse emission or the the anything blobby i di i did not mark yeah huh i it it would not count as a source type or well that is p what i am p pondering really yeah yeah yeah i w i remembered not marking nebula or clouds or yeah but this is species of cloud it is a p yeah a particular species of cloud not just a general cloud is not it so is not that different it is a modifier of of clouds but i do not th do not think if we are including the yeah i think if we are not including nebula and clouds we can not include i think we just have to decide whether we are doing it yeah but bob is saying maybe we should be including nebula and clouds perhaps we should have done but we have not for the whole thing but we have not done for the whole thing so i think maybe we just need to put under do not include diffuse emission okay th yeah then i guess not then yeah but then we still have to decide if we do not label the source what do we do about the spectral features that define that source i if we have for example broad absorption line object we mark that we mark broad absorption line in that but that is cause we have to know it is a rather broad absorp absorption line object we have seen it it is an but just to know this is a lyman alpha forest cloud we are seen lyman alpha forest and but it is in this s sp sp sp sp spectrum of another object though it it is not the spectrum of the clouds but it is still a spectral feature even if it is not it might be a spectral feature i not in the cloud yeah but it a spectral feature in the quasar the lyman alpha forest that is true yeah and he could point at it that is true and say that is yeah okay let us keep them yeah yeah even if not marked no one else can read that sorry yeah nope okay so th lyman alpha forest again and here yep and that definitely is a spectral feature on its own then cause it does not even say lyman alpha forest clouds yeah yeah each helium 2 optical depth i think that is elemental species there that is derived you are right yeah 0 0 we marked the same lines 0 rubbish excellent what have we done differently you have got line brightness temperatures cause the property of the line they are going to we are going to have a lot of these yeah yeah we are and we were not using line what was the one we did not do before line ratio we were not doing yeah i do not think line brightness temperatures counts cause it is not talking about a specific line yeah so yeah was talking about l lines okay i do not think that counts feature line feature need that right sorry can we just go back th one page did did you resolve the the li the different segmentations like the main problem was there is only one difference here 0 sorry i i thought it was a problem of like one having underlined the entire 0 sorry 0 no no no i i se okay sorry no no they are the same otherwise yeah they are all the same yeah i see quite impressively yes excellent that one is the same damped lyman alpha again systems yeah and damped lyman alpha data that is a modifier of data i can not even but if you said i mean that is that is a description of the type of data if you said the spectral dat a d the continuum is spet i really do not think that counts but if it is a damped lyman alpha spectrum you would mark damped lyman alpha because in the spectrum and and a da is equivalent of spectrum i would not but you would i think just because it has got a spectral feature in the phrase you would not for example when we were saying silicone 2 levels we did not mark silicone 2 that is that has got nothing to do with the spectrum that is because it was talking about s but if it is saying silicone 2 line levels the new word but what this actually means is we have made some measurements based on damped lyman alpha measurements and they tell us this answer and this answer is inconsistent with that answer i think you are probably right in the case of it being data yeah i do not think that is right i am not sure actually i th i think i would mark it and and that it it is a region of the spectrum and they are actually using a region of the spectrum as the data well if it is an emission line data but if you both want not to mark it then fine do not mark it m if it is an emission line data would we put it in i would not but because it is a modifier of data but if it just said em but if it just said emission line we would it the emission line is strong the emission line data shows strong then i think it is the same actually i th i think it is data is not even needed it is inconsistent with the damped lyman alpha at more than the 99% or the damped lyman alpha feature if you put feature there rather than data then you would mark it 0 feature absolutely b but but i think data is equivalent if so from the perspective the named entity recognition task so i th i think th there there was also this one guideline of saying for example if something is sitting under a negation right the there was no damped l y alpha something then we then i think the convention was that we still that you still would mark that right so it is more like a s it is it is sort of like a quite literal task that is really like finding these kind of these types of strings rather than really referring to the underlying physical reality yeah which i mean sort of like if if you if you were to resolve these kind of cases in order to put them say in a database or so then you would probably be right in this case right but th given that the kind of thing is that that this named entity recogn task is is a much is a much more literal thing like really just fin finding these kind of strings right i think in this case i w i would say this is probably an entity yeah okay okay yeah that is think enough given that we can argue about it for 10 minutes it is probably not that clear cut yeah alright damped lyman alpha systems and it should not be either of them take it again but systems should be out it should be damped lyman alpha yeah in red whatever that is spectral feature and that should not be there at all kay you have done it again and i have done it twice is that clear enough yes right source type flat spectrum did we have a rule about this we were including modifiers including broad line quasars non broad line quasars as well so i think we should probably include the flat spectrum with your q with your quasar is a very different from steep spectrum yep that is true that is true we are 10% of the way there are we excellent just hitting the half an hour mark you have to s speed up continua we will go p could be here all day 0 gosh it will be here forever remarkably soft ionizing continua you are right though i think or or continuum see that i that is talking about the the flux of kin of ionizing photons rather then the continuum of that spectrum the absorbed continuum so i do not like that one yes oxygen abundance oxygen should not be there that is not observed yeah heavy element absorption lines i think should be there i am happy enough with that now what else is different blue shifted that is okay with me i do not care yeah you can have that as well 0 thank you there you go and that one next you are right star forming galaxies are distinct i think they are i do not know why i did that that is yeah derived i do not like that at all probably because you were doing 7000 of these an hour yeah could be that i was a bit sleepy lines from ions you can not tell the difference between a line from an ion and a line line from something else you mean that well you would know where they are in the well i guess yeah i dunno if it was lines from h 2 you would mark it yeah yeah yeah that is true that is true alright blue wing flux what were we going to do about flux does not say yeah but the feature itself is blue wing flux or if it was said blue wing feature we would mark feature yes it is the amount of stuff in the blue wing yeah so i am happy with that line peak i think that should be marked even though it is talking about increasing line peak it is also talking about increasing excess blue wing should actually be excess blue wing flux possibly do not know anyway ah i think line peak is something you can point to you can point to it but can you point to a line peak velocity shift well i y no but you can not you can not s also point to increa increasing blue wing yeah i do not think you can well you can point to blue wing flux cause you have your line and there is the blue wing flux what but if the line peak is increasingly shifted you would yeah i do not think that is a feature okay there is a system issue again so we should be consistent and keep it light right ye yes right neutral hydrogen gunn petersen absorption i think all of that is a spectral feature it is basically a way of saying the gunn petersen t it is a way of saying the gunn petersen trough though really it is a process is not it yeah which if you just said that it is gunn petersen absorption from neutral hydrogen rather than i if it was a t if it was hydrogen absorption well is not that a process you would mark the whole thing if it was hydrogen align you would so you should mark if it was or h beta absorption it is a marks the kind of spectral feature does not it it is a process is not it but so is h beta absorp emission as a process from h beta but it is still this is a process from neutral hydrogen i guess what i am meaning is neutral hydrogen should be in there and the fact that gunn peterson comes between it is just a pain well it i would not have any of it i think i think all of that is just that is process is not it i think i might agree with you cause this definitely should not be marked because that is a process not a yeah a and if that should not be marked then that should not be marked okay let us just cross everything out right blue shifted absorption i think it is a modifier of the thing and so it probably should be there 0 okay as in we are putting weak and strong absorption would count so i think blue shifted should yeah that is talking about the line is not it so that should be in yes okay you think yeah that is talking about strength rather than it is not the abundance of it or any derived property it is just the strength of the lines you do not think that it actually is abundance really in a way i am not sure but i guess perhaps it is i am not sure yeah i am not sure either yeah let us make a decision but i guess it could be abundance b 0 yeah either that if that should not be in neither should either of those yes that is true i think you probably should then cause we will put in our align strength yeah if it is a f i of a 2 line strength we would definitely put it in yeah that is right and i think that is what it is referring to even though it is not i it is not saying well but it 2 is not this an elemental abundance that you estimate actually using a number of lines is it it is not just one discrete line in the spectrum is it b a feature i am not sure its lines what do you mean well if you t it is an abundance i it is an element i guess but it is is it 2 is an ionic species and it will have a number of lines in the spectrum and you will estimate on the abundance all of the s species actually use the old lines but it is a strength rather than abundance i think that is still looking at the amount of flux coming out of the out of all the f e 2 lines rather than we have marked thing have we marked things like yeah i do not know if we have marked things like silicone one throughout in general we have not if unless it is specifically saying it is a line but i guess the question is just as specifically referred to a line they have not been if it is yeah yeah yeah and i maybe it is not clear enough to mark yeah let us not mark it then yeah if we do not mark it though we definitely should not mark these 2 should we well line narrow line if it says it f e 2 line strength then we would mark it cause you are talking about the line of it rather than the ev element do you agree with that i think so yeah if that is true then their leaving out the word line i do not should mean that it should not be marked the word line should be in there but or 0 well what is new but i mean we know what they mean like yeah i think they mean l i think they mean the line strength rather than the f e 2 abundance okay yeah let us leave it in well then have it in i think that is what they probably mean but it is just not very clear yeah yeah okay next b s bloated star that is a 0 is that what that means yeah 0 yeah okay take out line and that is just the wrong seyfert 2 that is just the wrong color as is that 0 yep you are right i think you were right there radio loud counts yeah yep you are right yeah and you are right there as well that is a physical process yeah okay that counts yes that was one i was not sure about cause infrared yeah and if it was mid infrar if it was you would put it in yeah that is just the wrong na that is just this should be a source name yeah the and this should not be should it i do not know w m m does those count as modifiers active we definitely include active yes i guess the problem is due to what does that m mean so i presumed it what does that mean it is a k kind of elliptical is it a e 2 is a kind of elliptical 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah what i do not know what the j means is it yeah okay right cause that is one i just did not know what it i thought it was a catalog h alpha i think should be marked yeah those can does that not mean a a broad band detection and does that count sorry what is the i can not see h alpha detection yeah you are still detecting a line even if you are detecting it from broad band filters but do not we say we do not do that ah i am right look broad band do not include modifiers of regions or systems e g broad line region you are right region systems that is why i was not doing it and now align nebulae right okay we will just go back and change those g ah look at that you are right okay where was it started here why did it so we mark we have got nebulae marked here yeah but b modifiers of regions or systems is the 0 yeah okay modifiers with them which is give a yell if you see one yeah we could always change this if we think we are right rather than going back through and so damped lyman alpha absorbers should not be in there based on this but we could change this rule rather than changing all those things but then i am i i p i probably use that rule so half the time and just forgotten to use at other times what is the what was the appropriate thing to do at this point so just about changing rules i mean in a sense you also want to make sure that the annotation that that they the agreements that you arrive on today that they are consistent with what you did before right so i mean this really only displays th those cases where you disagreed right right but if you sorta like change a rule now on the fly then that might be then that might b create inconsistencies with the right yeah yep yeah cause you might have followed that rule yeah yes i i am sure i have followed that rule sometimes and just forgotten right yeah so let us take that out alright lyman alpha forest here yeah but lyman alpha forest should be in here because it is not talking about m it is not modified yeah that is fine damped lyman alpha systems damped lyman alpha data ah we are back to damped lyman alpha data data i think we should keep in okay because it is would be the same as feature i or spec spectrum i do i still do not think that goes in i think data is the same as spectrum cause the data is a spec m but yeah i still do not like it but final view bob i do not have passionate feelings i would not i think now probably okay let us take that out and this one comes out as well yep okay so we want nothing yeah just cross those out there did not it yeah right oops we are there right excellent so what were we looking at this page for anyway it was for something else h alpha detection h alpha detection broad band detections is in do not include but i would not is h alpha broad brand well h l was a line there really is not it it is a line so whether you detect it 0 so it would be a narrow band detection a narrow band imaging detection yeah alright good yeah i think so h alpha emitters are not a distinct class of source i do not think no they are not line just out of curiosity this narrow and broad band that that refers to the type of spectrogram that you have like t on the type of filter or is it 0 okay yeah exactly that yeah yeah okay yeah exactly that but i guess if you are picking out a spectral feature even with a broad band or narrow band then it is still a spectral feat feature if you are picking out a line yeah okay what however you pick it out yep line on its own i think there is going to be a lot of those which makes life simpler okay yeah right this is another systems thing yep absorption profiles i think that i think the whole thing should actually be marked even this complex okay how far should we go yeah no comple just absorption per yeah absorption profiles i will go for why not lyman alpha forest line blanketing or lyman alpha forest line yeah take out the blanketing has this ah right is it a system yep v l b a is an instrument 0 is it yeah v l b i is a net it is it is a v l b i is it is a technique is a network but is it technique yeah it is not a yeah yes the network is an instrument though is not it v what is it is called something else is not it it the v 0 v l b very long baseline array it is e v n is not it yeah it is called a v l b a v l b a if it had an a on the end it would be the ne instrument this is well it v l b i network image so do they mean the v l b a is not all of this is an instrument if you have it all is not it european v l b i net is it in it it is an intstru group instrument not a research group yes cause it ta it takes an image i think so yeah so 0 but then a m research group could take an image yeah yeah okay let us 0 how much of modifiers are we putting in but it is only supposed to be proper names but i do not which it is i think yeah is that so this whole thing is an instrument you say from one6 or from european that is what i think 0 0 i think it is s s s starting with eu european i think or just v l b a he is using capitals 0 i see i see but s yeah okay so is this like it is a subset of the v l b a yes huh just in europe right but it is actually merlin and all the i international logs in europe all hooked up into one instrument basically cool yeah okay right 0 that is a source name you are right that is just broad band is not it broad line emission yeah that is just so that should not be marked radio loud objects it is not ve it is not a m mod it is not an original system m we say something about objects and i think it is that we do not use it anything ending in object we do not include yep yeah ye so none of those yep now we have both marked line ratios here yeah but we should not have done and that is the same so that is it yeah continuum yeah that is fair enough it is certainly not a source name and there it is different because you are talking about the ionizing continuum which is a pre yeah that means that is a proc it is a process or it is a it is a type of photons that is not the continuum you are looking at yeah i think you can point to line pairs sure you can yep and that should not be in there nope neither should that yep scribble away excellent you are right there that is all one big spectral feature and nebula should not be marked have we agreed on that what do we do back here we only agreed that so far we have only agreed that we can not include spectral features modifying nebula but i do not see yet where it is written down that you can not mark nebula what did we do back here we did mark nebula yes yeah it was things that were not distinct like yeah yeah but the see there is so many different kinds of nebula yeah i think is why i was not doing it yeah it is a difficult one but if we are going to stick to it let us stick to it yeah if we are going to have them let us have them the what is different the 0 yeah do not mind and i think we need the i think we would put stop putting the in we could get confused and you are right there you are right there source type 0 yeah line blanketing line blanketing you think y sh i no i do not think i did i we had line blanketing just now and we included it so that yeah i think we sh did we did you i thought it was a process and that it it was not included ah where was it we did just have it do not know yeah it was not that far back was it do not think n lyman f forest line blanket we took blanketing out no it was not that far back line yeah we took blanketing out so i do not think that should be in yeah and that is all the same is that it yeah that is a source 9 yes is not it yes it is yeah red and blue components i think you are right there as well yeah yeah i think i am right really yeah i think i in the same way that you can point to the soft x rays or or the hard x rays you can point to the red and the 0 yeah well i would argue about see because i think that i mean th that you only extract that after you actually model a sp spectrum do not you yeah the soft excess you can definitely point to on an x ray thing you kn you know if there is one there or not you could say that is that so yeah you are saying you would not know it was soft unless you would but have a component though as such w 0 yeah i see what but we are talking about the c the continuum though if you have a galaxy spectrum though you can say there is the blue component there is the red component to the spectrum yeah g c 0 i see what you mean i like it comes from adding 2 different things together yeah that is that is what i am thinking that i can see that yeah it is actually really after you actually model the s a spectrum not just actually looking at the spectrum but results from spectral yes yeah you think give that for red and blue components but i would not probably give that for soft component because a soft excess is a i mean that is an x ray thing y like a break you say 0 look there is but if it said red or blue excess rather than red or blue component i guess the problem with yeah yeah but component it is m means it is an element actually in the model though yeah yeah i would take out red and blue okay let us which means maybe we should take out soft but it is such a basic sort of you look at a spectrum and you say that is a a soft excess it is a soft well the excesses yeah yeah but the component is not it is just a t if you modeled it with 2 parts one that had a a ha a harder and softer spectrum hubble in hubble deep field south yeah yeah yeah that is probably true yeah hubble and hubble deep sent to us i did not include it although it does apply to the telescope i think i would yeah but yeah yeah let us keep it in so should w did we have a soft component earlier yes so we sh should kill it yeah yeah anyone remember when no i i think actually pretty early on i would have thought let us start at the beginning yeah there it is 0 excellent right hubble alright no wait the top one i think you should include possibly with flux as well though d yeah okay yeah that is fine i am happy with all that and then yes the whole thing yeah well i said radio galaxies now what did we p we say about acronyms where part of it was useful yeah that counts do we ha did we s make a decision about radio galaxies cause i think they are discussed as a separate source type are not they where are they radio galaxies only just i interesting because on the hour it yeah it hides that yeah yeah you are right but i do not think we should mark high red shift in that yeah yeah no they are just red shi but yes no it is yeah wh what did we say about acronyms where where part of it is useful i think you are supposed to mark the whole thing are not you yes i think you are yeah so you are right seyfert one8 and one9 galaxies it is a sub classification of seyfert is would make a s study seyfert 18s you would not say we are talking about yes well people do though do not they 0 do they i mean it is pretty s stupid but they do i think they probably are you are right yeah yeah i think so inseparate yeah that is fine and it is just the and that annoys mission line feature we are going to include yep yeah galaxy and galaxy formation does not count galaxy when it is a process yes and yes that counts ah now this is one where it should be this one but what if you would un if these are doubly underlined but in has it just plotted the top color 0 was it actually possible to doubly underline things yes yeah i do not know wh which one it would display then okay because what we want here let us just mark what we want and mark that but with also broad line right but i am on the yeah i can not write i i actually did not know that it was possible to have these so you you you allowed these kind of embedded annotations we changed it so that you could yeah yeah because quite often an object class is defined by a spectral feature right okay okay like broad line radio galaxies yeah broader lines i think yeah i do not think that should go in do not mind list the wrong wrong color for a few things 0 up here 0 it is all here hyper luminous galaxy if you are having ultra loom this early on then i think you have to have here yeah this is just a color issue is it or is it 0 right and q s 0 is not yeah you are right ye yeah they should all be and that one yep i s m it is diffuse so it probably should not be in there the i s m is not a source type is it 0 no i do not think so what we doing about nebula again i have forgotten we are now including nebula are not we okay yeah what have we done features features yep flat spectrum radio quasars strong drop in the continuum i think you are right there okay nope i think you are right again that is just the place yep we are not doing emission line objects we are not doing emission line when it is a modifier of objects are we 0 no we are not doing that either you are right the question is are emission line objects a separate class of source i think they are no but t y are you arguing not to have anything with object in it though they are not are they yeah yes you are right so there goes yeah anything to do with objects so nothing and seyfert galaxies w should be one you are right there yeah yes i got 370 that is pretty good that is nearly a 3rd and you s speed it up as well i think so" ]

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[ "okay see and marks okay did you guys actually have sort of interaction or discussions while you were doing the annotation did you have had stages of clarification or i suppose you did right at the beginning we did we did a training set did not we in then compared to see yeah we did 2 of those you we probably did i think we did 2 training sets and then we had at least one meeting with you yeah we talked about through and we decided on things and we did all the rest of them separately yeah so did you feel there was some some kind of some process of convergence like that initially had quite different ideas about the phrase types and and then eventually you came up with some kind of rules that you set up between the 2 of you or i do not know but okay i mean i thought we had basically the same ideas i do not remember ever having strong arguments about what should be in what group or it was just the rules about the thing of it really yeah we and what counted as for the spectral features it was more really really what counted as a spectral feature we had a long discussion about that but i do not remember sort of arguing from different sides and converging just sort of piecing out what would come up and agreeing what we would do and we had a manual which we have not got yet do you think we get a copy would that be useful it could be we are allowed to leave the meeting now it has been a long time since we have done this can we get ben to put us out one yeah i think so okay yeah yeah yes now we are moving on the headphones do you reckon ben has seen we did say it he has had it certainly yeah yeah yeah yeah otherwise we can go on to our system and get it now he has gone yes there is a cool little countdown it lets you know exactly how long you have been meeting excellent 0 on top we should have these things in our area now we do not have high tank we do not know how little work we did well i guess it is actually telescopes but that is different to those things they are hardly in our areas they have got a conference thing have not they in the atc yeah that is right although it is not actually used a lot of often these days i think i had to fly to germany to do a teleconference the same as you for the eso interview and they fly you to germany and put you on a 4 way teleconference with me people in chile and had they asked we could have done it fine at atc right i am going to go to germany for the day i have not got that far it is a very strange interview feeling as well because you can not see them any middle of the body language while you are giving your talk because they just show usually they have a camera on you and a camera on them but during the talk part they have a camera on i believe them because i could see that guy reading a newspaper halfway through my talk and then they had a camera on showing what my slides were and so you forget that they can see you at all and so when all of that was over they were answering me questions and the view switched again and i realized i was sitting there in the interview going and mine was different again it was a 4 way split screen with me and 3 other people and it just stayed like that and i had the talk on the laptop in front of me and they had the talk on their laptops and i had to tell them when to use the button to turn the page and you can not say looking over here if you see towards the top left of the image you are just you know just and luckily olivia had warned me it might be complicated and so i had something without very many not little arrows flying in and things because that would just make it really difficult but i practice the talk you are standing up in front of it and pointing to things and you are sitting down in front of it and you could see yourself but not only get you see yourself it will see yourself bounce back 2 seconds later by the time the signal had gone to chile in fact it is really strange so you were like 0 did i just do that and then you are reacting to what you did a while ago that is a really daft situation great we can start writing about it shall we dive in in the interim yes yes continuing flux i will continue yes flux on its own would not be a spectacle feature be a spectacle feature i think it should probably just be continuing if it was continuum luminosity you probably would not no you would not do i think i am no i think i am working out who is tough and bottom yeah i am happy enough with that i do not see a strong way about it i actually have not really thought about like marking or not marking who is top and whose bottom i think maybe that would make sense for you guys to know i do not know i think we have worked then said he left it out on purpose which is recent yes and i am pretty sure i am bottom anyway i am pretty sure i am tough so even on bottom we can tell because i would fight for lyme being a respectful feature as well right yeah i think that is probably right as well it is a bit hard to mark on this let us do that okay next so sorry just for the convention you are marking which annotation you think is the right one yes and if neither then we will have to put something else okay so here i am missing soft component on the bottom i think that i will probably right to soft component is a if you get line i get soft component you think sorry i 0 what if you do i should not intervene probably but no good well is not it that if it is a region of the spectrum that you can point at it then it is a spectral feature and that is not you can point to a soft component you think yeah okay all right it is a big bump safer than a soft bit okay okay there was a feature part of spectral feature i think you will look there as well yeah i am not fast about that it is not just absorption but it is not just absorption it is actually something in the absorption if it was a a dip in absorption or a a lack of absorption you would put it in because we said we were put describing words yeah that is the thing you point to and this is a physical mechanism so yeah i would say 2 down 250 excellent that is 2 that is definitely 2 you are right ah this one with the equivalent width i think you are right that we were not going to mark the equivalent width but we were going to mark the lines i think that is true yeah all right what are we missing broadline yeah that is true you get that and nebula there is a source type i do not remember what we were doing with nebula we were not doing like h 2 regions and stuff right i can not remember should we see when we see when the manual comes so let us come back to that one yes i thought i know what we are doing about that either we were doing descriptions that made things separate classes in which case i would argue for elliptical thing 0 my god i have just gone mad with the underlining here yes yeah over breaking the power law index i think that is probably a you can point to it yeah that is the thing but you would not know it was a yeah it is something you have derived the power of the index is something you deserve a break in a spectrum is something you can point out so what is a break in a power of index quite offensive feature because in this spectrum it does that and then does that if it does that and does that yeah that is where it breaks slight depression of the continuum near the lyman limit i think you are right there as well and if i did it again i would say slight depression of the continuum and possibly well you can see both this slight depression and the lyman limit but we are supposed to say descriptive words of the features yeah if it was absorption at h alpha that would all be one or absorption at 5000 nanometers would all be one anyway yeah but they would be the same at a certain point they would both be the same spectral feature whereas here there is 2 spectral features there is a lyman limit which you can see and then there is a slight depression near it yeah i think you are right it is near rather than at it is much yeah it is not do you have a sense about that you want to split that one then are you into 2 yeah yeah i would agree with that i think yeah excellent it is good blood i did yeah okay absorption that i did not mark because it is the physical process of absorption yes and you are like that as well the thing i think it was more awakeness would there be other cases where you would actually mark an absorption or yeah if it was there is an absorption feature or absorption is seen at the spectrum at this wavelength but when you say for example the quasar is absorbed that just means the quasar is behind a bunch of stuff cheers thanks so that is describing something physically rather than describing the spectrum itself okay thank you thank you there is no steep soft component below 2 kv i do not remember what we were going to do about things that were not there it is not something you can point to you could point to it if it were there yes you could i tend to miss out things before too long but if it had been there you would have marked it as a yeah yes yeah should we go back to number 5 is that the nebula was it the nebula yeah what are we saying about nebula source types no it may it counts does not it i think it does right we were not matching h 2 regions because it was a region i think was the yeah well i meant for that line again that is line ratios but i remember we were not going to mark line ratios but we were going to mark here where you have got equivalent width of h beta or if it is a but ratios different line and line ratios is modifying ratios is not it it is not talking about specific lines a line ratio is a thing yeah because i have not actually listed explicitly on that you are not going to include it right do not include line ratios after abundances is that the value or the word 0 i see what you mean do not it yeah you would not include it property you would not include abundances or line strengths no yeah you would not include line in that okay i do not think 0 0 i see what you are doing you are circling the one to keep damped lime and alpha absorbers i think that is a spectral feature even though it is you would not mark the source type 0 sorry i am here so can i just ask now you just aligned sorry you circled the word in the other line which did not yes because we do not want it underlined right sorry 0 i see okay yeah right damp live now see again these are source types i mean it is not a source type but it is also a but damline and alpha absorberds are physical things not spectral features but you also absorb them you are observed by their spectral feature what are we doing for things broad absorption line quasar for example we were marking the broad absorption line as well as board absorption line so i think it should be the same as that if it is defined by a spectral feature we should mark it but you would not be able to point to something in a spectrum and say that is a damp line and alpha absorber unless you would you could point to damp lim and alpha though because it says yeah spectral features within are referring to a type of source e g balin valquazer but we would not say absorbers were a type of source not a specific type of source but i think still the spectral feature counts even though it is a modifier or something okay i am not certain about that but i what do you reckon there well i mean you can look up this this spectrum and spots that limeon alpha has been damped but that is a spectral feature it is a potential beauty do not with damplam and alpha observers you see them a variety of places along the line of sight so you have to know 0 yeah that is true how does it work i do not know what if you look at a quasar and you see a bunch of if you got a bunch of clouds of gas in the way you can see these things but you would not be able to point at one of them and say 0 that is a dense yeah yeah yeah they are going to be different red shifts but that does not mean that it is you can still say that is damplam and alpha and that is damp line enough i do not know how they do that yeah but you are guessing in a way though are not you so but is not that always the case of something that is not particularly well no but you see them in all sorts of different red shifts it is like the lyman alpha forest sort of and i am not certain i would mark that that is a tricky one certainly if it was some other spectral feature and then absorbers would we mark it no i would not because it is they are physical things not spectral features you can not point at something on a spectrum and say that is definitely a damped lyman alpha and i guess it is because they are modifiers of this source type and we would not mark that source type but we include modifiers of source type you would mark we would not mark absorbers we are not mark the absorbers if it was a damped lima alpha quasar then we would mark quasar and we would mark damp and alpha right well yeah it was more absorption like quasor would mark it yeah so it is just i guess whether dampedlam and alpha is a spectral feature in itself which i would probably that is a tricky one say it was but then i have never looked at one i guess it is okay and that it is altering the spectrum is not it i mean it is change in this spectrum it does not have to be something that is specific we say a big blue bum or a soft or a continuum and we include those but we were not going to include descriptions of spectral features that were based on fitting that is true we have included power law though have we no we included steep soft components sorry and here we included breaking the power law because of the brake steep soft component yeah break in the parallel is something i am not certain of steep soft component is something you can point at in a spectrum and say there it is there is still some degree of fitting in that it is scary yeah you know what is steep and what is shallow it is tricky let us have that for now if we change our mind later when we go through we can always come back to it and say again i would say this is a physical process and i was back on the feature yeah yeah and absorption again yeah what did we get different here i do not have k star that i should do yeah that one and this one here we were including feature within spectral future wait right okay okay what is wrong with friday chalfa i think i just missed it right it is not as if it is a although it is called off maximum it is still the line within it yeah okay all is easy silicon 2 is an element rather than the in this context rather than the line these are the lines i guess what you if viya there was not in there then you would have it silicon 2 lines at but without with viyaa i think that means silicon 2 derived from these 2 creatures yeah i think so too that that is actually an ionic species is not it yeah that is true a spectral feature so on its own yeah that is true limeon alpha forest clouds 0 no we are back to it again limeon alpha forest you can point to on the spectrum that is true but lyman alpha forest clouds are source types we are not marking so we have not basically we just have not got a rule for spectral features within referring to types of source when we do not mark the source yeah but we can just be consistent so are we marking h 2 and h 2 regions for example and i do not think we are because that is not a spectral feature yeah but i guess it is not defined by a spectral feature though h 2 region whereas lamin alpha forest is defined by the definition of lamin alpha forest clouds has certainly have a lyman alpha forests but saying that is not the same as saying we have seen that in a spectrum whereas a broadline quasar someone has looked at it and i have seen a broad line but if you are discussing lyman alpha forest clouds they could just be discussing the physical object which we are not marking why are not you marking it then because they were not i do not know i do not think we were marking diffused emission or yeah huh it would not count as a source type or well that is what i am wondering really i remember not marking nebula or clouds or yeah but this is this was one species of cloud it is a particular species of cloud not just a general cloud is not it so is not that different is not that different it is a modifier of clouds but i do not think if we are including the yeah i think if we are not including nebula and clouds we can not include i am saying maybe we should be including nebula and clouds perhaps we should have done but we have not done the whole thing okay i think maybe we just need to put i do not include diffuse emission but then we still have to decide if we do not enable the source what do we do about the spectral features that define that source if we have for example broad absorption line object we mark that we mark board absorption line in that that is because we have to know it is a broad absorption line object we have seen it but to know this is a lyman alpha forest cloud we have seen lyman alpha forest but it is in the spectrum of another object though it is not the spectrum of the but it is still a spectral feature even if it is not it might be a spectral feature not in the cloud but it is a spectral feature in the quasar that is true and he could point at it that is true and say that is let us keep yeah okay yeah okay so lemon off a forest again and that definitely is a spectral feature on its own then because it does not see forest clouds each helium 2 optical depth i think that is an element of it yeah that is derived 0 we marked the same lines excellent what have we done differently you have got line brightness temperatures it is a derived property of the line we are going to have a lot of these yeah we are and we were not using line what we did not do before line ratio we were not doing yeah i do not think line brightness temperatures counts because it is not talking about a specific line yeah so yeah yeah yeah i do not think that is line feature that is right sorry can we just go back one page did you resolve the the different segmentations like the main problem was there is only one difference yeah 0 sorry i thought it was a problem of like one half of like one having underlined the entire 0 sorry no i said okay sorry guys quite implicitly yeah it is it is it that one is his name damp lyman alpha again systems and then that is a data that is a modifier of data but if you said i mean that is if you said the spectral data the continuum spectrum i really do not think that counts but if it said damp line and alpha spectrum you would mark damp lime and alpha because it is in the spectrum and the data is equivalent to spectrum i think just because it has got a spectral feature in the phrase you would not for example when we were saying silicon 2 levels we did not mark silicon 2 that has got nothing to do with the spectrum but if it is saying silicon 2 lines but what this actually means is we have made some measurements based on damped lyman alpha measurements and they tell us this answer and this answer is in i think you are probably right in the case of it being data yeah i do not think that is right i am not sure actually i think i would mark it in the it it is a region of the spectrum and they are actually used the spectrum and they are actually using a region of the spectrum as the data if it said emission line data but if you both want not to mark it then fine do not mark it if it is an emission line data would we put it in i would not but if it just said but if it just said emission line we would the emission line is strong the emission line data shows strong yeah yeah then i think it is the same actually much i think it is data is not even needed it is inconsistent with a damp climate alpha at more than 99% or a dump number of feature you put feature there rather than data then you would mark it no feature absolutely but i think data is the equivalent so from the perspective the named anti recognition task so i think there was also this one guideline of saying for example of something is sitting under a negation right that there was no damned l y alpha something then we then i think the convention was that we still that you still would mark that right so it is more like it is it is sort of like a quite literal task that is really like finding these kind of these types of strings rather than really referring to the underlying physical reality which i mean sort of like if you were to resolve these kind of cases in order to put them say in a database or so then you would probably be right in this case right but given that the kind of thing is that this named anti directing tash is a much it is a much more literal thing like really just finding these kind of strings i think in this case i would say this is probably an entity okay given that we can argue about it for 10 minutes probably not like a cut right demp lyman alpha systems it should not be either of them it should be damped lime and alpha in red whatever that is a speckful feature and that should not be there at all okay i have done it twice is that clear enough yes all right source type did we have a rule about this we were including modifiers we including boardline queries broadline quasars non broadline quasars as well so i think we should probably agree the flat spectrum radio quasars are very different from a steep spectrum that is true 10% of the way there are we just hitting the half an hour mark continua speed up we will be here all day it will be forever mercury is soft ionizing continuum you like that i think see that is talking about the flux of ionizing photons rather than the the absorb continuum of that spectrum yes i do not want that one oxygen should not do that is not upset heavy element absorption that is i think should be i think should be happy enough with that what else is different blue shifted that is okay with me okay yeah you can have that as well i can get that in that one next you write star bombing galaxies so distinct i do not know why i did that i do not like that at all probably because you were doing 7000 of these yeah i could not believe that i would have that lines from ions you can not tell the difference between a line from an ion or line from something else not well you know where they are in the well i guess yeah i do not if it was lines from h 2 yeah yeah that is true that is true all right blue wing flux what are we going to do about flux the feature it does not say the feature itself is blue wing flux or if it was a blue wing feature would mark feature yes it is the amount of stuff in the blue wing line peak i think that should be marked even though it is talking about increasing line peak it is also doing my increasing excess blue wing should actually excess blue wing flux i think i think i think line peak is something you can point to it but can you point to a line peak velocity shift no but you can not also point to increasing blue wing well you can point to blue wing flaps because you have your line and there is the blue wing flux but if a line peak is increasingly shifted yeah i have not answered for each okay there is a system issue again so we should be consistent and keep it all right yeah nuclear hydrogen gunpowder so we can not neutral hydrogen gun petersetopin i think all of that is the spectrum feature it is basically a way of saying the gun petersen it is a way of saying the gun petersen trough which if you just said that it is gun petersen absorption is that a process if it was a hydrogen absorption it would mark the whole thing there is a hydrogen line you would so you should mark if it was or h beta absorption it marks the kind of specter feature does not it it is the process is not it but so is h beta emission it is a process from h beta but it is still this is a process from neutral hydrogen i guess what i am meaning is neutral hydrogen should be in there and the fact that gung peterson comes between it it is just a pain well i would not have any of it i think i think all of that is just the description of the process i think i might agree with you because this definitely should not be marked because that is a process now yeah and if that should not be marked then that should not be marked okay blue shift of absorption i think there is a modify of the thing that probably should be there okay as an important strong absorption would count so i think blue shift it should that is talking about the line is not it so that should be yes okay you think yeah it is talking about that iron 2 strength rather than it is not the abundance of it or any derived property it is just the strength of the lines of the lines you do not think that it actually is abundance really in a way i am not sure but i guess perhaps it is i am not sure yeah i am not sure either let us make a decision i guess it could be abundant well yeah if that should not be in neither should either of those yes that is true i think it probably should then because we will put narrow line strength if it said every 2 line strength we would definitely put it in yeah that is right and i think that is what it is referring to even though it is not it is not saying well but it is not this an elemental abundance that you estimate actually using a number of lines it is not just one discrete line in the spectrum is it i think it is in the lines it is an abundance it is an element i guess but it is 2 is an ionic species and it will have a number of lines in the spectrum and you will estimate the abundance of the species that is using all the lines but it says strength rather than abundance i think that is still looking at the amount of flux coming out of all the 2 lines rather than with marked things have we marked things like yeah i do not know if we have marked things like silicon one throughout in general we have not if unless it is specifically saying it is a line basically saying it is a line yeah but i guess the question is does this specifically refer to a line maybe it is not clear enough to map it is not marking it if we do not mark it though we definitely should not mark these 2 well and if that is line narrow line if it said at f e2 line strength then we would mark it because you are talking about the line of it rather than in the element do you agree with that i think so if that is true then they are leaving out the word line i do not think should mean that it should not be marked the word line should be in there we know what they mean right yeah i think they mean i think they mean the line strength rather than the f e2 abundance okay well then have it in that is what they probably read yeah yeah okay yes bloated star 0 is that what that means 0 okay take out now and that is just the one 0 color as is that your rod your right your leg counts yep yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah here and you are right there as well just use a bit of process back out yes that was one i was not sure about because it would be fern for red yeah and if it was you lurks you would put it in that is just the one knit this should be a source name and this should not be i do not know does those count as modifiers active we definitely include active yes i guess the problem is g 2 what does that mean i have assumed it kind of elliptical is it 0 yeah yeah i do not know what the j means okay right is this one i just did not know i thought it was the catalog h alpha i think it should be not those can does that not mean a broadband detection and does that count sorry it is the h alpha detection yeah you are still detecting the line even if you are detecting it from broadband filters but do not we say we do not do that ah i am right look do not include modifiers of regions or systems e g broadline region you are right systems that is why i was not doing it and narrow line nebula okay we just go back and change this you are right okay where was it it started here what is it we have got nebula marked here yeah but modifiers of regions of systems is the could be yellow if you see one yeah we could always change this if we think we are right rather than going back through so damped limelphor absorbers should not be in there based on this but we could change this rule rather than changing all those things but then what is the appropriate thing to do at this point i probably use that rules half the time and just forgotten to use it at the times just about changing rules i mean in a sense you also want to make to make sure that the annotations that the agreements that you arrive on today that they are consistent with what you did before right so well i mean this really only displace those cases we disagreed but if you saw like change a rule now on the flight and that might be then that might create inconsistence yes i am sure i followed that all sometimes and just forgotten so let us take that out the lamanalpa forest here yeah but lamin alpha forest should be in here because it is not talking about it it is not modified yeah that is fine damp line and alpha systems 0 we are back to damp and alpha data data data i think we should keep in okay okay because it is it is the same as feature i do not think data is the same as spectrum but the data is a spectrum yeah i still do not like it but final viewable i do not have passion i would not i think now probably okay and this one comes out as well one comes out as well okay so we want yeah just cross those out yeah yep alright so what were we are there so what were we looking at this page for anyway hl for detection hl for detection broadband detections but i would not is hlf a good line there is so whether you detect so it would be a narrowband detection yeah narrow band imaging detection all right good i think so hr for emitters are not a distinct class of source i do not think no they are not 9 just sort of curiously this narrow and broad pen that refers to the type of spectrogram that you have like on the type of filter or is it yeah exactly that yeah exactly that but i guess if you are picking out a spectrogram that you have that you are picking out a spectrogram i guess if you are picking out a spectral feature even with a broadband or not a bad one it is still a speck for feature if you are picking out a line yeah however you pick it out yeah line helps i do not know line i do not know line so i think it will be a lot of those which makes left simple okay right right this is another system this is another system is thing yeah absorption profiles i think that the whole thing should actually be marked you think it is complex how far should be go complex just absorption profiles yeah absorption profiles are different i know lamanalfa forest line blanketing or like man off of forestland blanketing yeah take out the blanket is it is it a system yep 0 is it now the vlbi is a network what is it the idea is an instrument it is a technique yeah the network is an instrument though it is called something else is not it very long baseline array yeah it is a if you have an a on the end it would be the instrument this is well vlbi network image so do they mean the vlba is not all of this is an instrument if you have it all is not it european vlbi net it is an instrument not a research group yes it takes an image 0 but they do not research group is taking it okay let us how much of modifiers are we putting in it is only supposed to be proper names but i do not which it is i think so this whole thing is an instrument you say from one6 or from european i think it is or just from the obe starting with europe pacian i think 0 i see i see yeah so is this like it is a subset of the vlba yes just in europe there is actually merlin and all the international analogs in europe all hooked up into one instrument basically okay that is a source name that is just broadband is not it broadband is not it yeah that is what i should not be marked radio allowed objects it is not radio it is not a modern kind of a regional system we say something about objects and i think it is that we do not anything ending an object we do not yeah so none of those now we have both marked line ratios here yeah but we should not have done that is the same set yeah okay yeah that is far enough it is certainly not a source name and there it is different because you are talking about the ionizing continuum yeah that means which is a it is a process or it is a it is a type of photons that is not the continuum you are looking at maybe you can point to line to place true yeah it should not be nope you are going to show that yeah you are right there it is all one big spectral feature and nebula should not be marked have we agreed on that we only agreed that so far we have only agreed that we can not include spectral features modifying nebula but i do not see yet where it is written down that you can not mark nebula we did mark nebula yes it was things that were not distinct like yeah but see there is so many different kinds of nebula i think is why i was not doing it yeah it is a difficult one i am going to stick to a less stick to happen that is happen that is happened the 0 yeah do not mind stop in the you could get yeah yeah right you are right line blanketing i know i do not know i do not ever do this we had line blanketing just now and we included it i think it was did you i thought it was a process and it was not included where was it we did just have it yeah it was not that far back is it limon forest line blanket we took blanking out yeah we took blanking out yeah that is awesome that is awesome yeah that is a source yes yes it is red and blue components i think you might know as well i think you might know as well yeah you could say it yeah i think i might really yeah i think in the same way that you can point to the soft x rays or the hard x rays you can point to the red and the well i would argue about that you see because i think that you only extract that after you actually model a specter do not you the soft excess you can definitely point to in an x ray thing and you know if there is one there or not say that that so you are saying you would not know it was soft unless you yeah we are talking about the continuum though if you have a galaxy spectrum you can say there is the blue component there is the red component to the spectrum 0 i see what you mean like it comes from adding 2 different things together yeah that is what i am thinking i can see that yeah it is actually really how to actually model the spectrum not just looking at a spectrum yes i give that for red and blue components but i would not probably give that for soft components because a soft excess is a i mean that is an x ray thing like a break you say but if it said red or blue excess rather than red or blue components yeah but a component it means it is an element actually in a model right yeah i would take out red and blue which means maybe we should take out soft well it is such a basic sort of you look at a spectrum and you say that is a soft excess it is a soft the excess is yeah but on the if you modeled it with 2 parts one that had a opponent is not a hard and soft spectrum hubble and hubble deepfield south huffle and hubble deep south i did not include it although it does apply to the task i think i would yeah yeah yeah so did we have a soft component earlier yes yeah yeah anyone remember when no i think actually pretty early on i would have thought it is at the beginning there is excellent excellent no mind hubble no alright the top one i think you should include possibly with flux as well yeah okay yeah that is fine i am happy with all and then yes okay yeah yeah okay okay hi z radio galaxies now what did we say about acronyms where part of it was useful do we make a decision about high z radio graphics because i think they are discussed as a separate source type are not they well are they only just interesting because they are at yeah but i do not think we should mark high head shift in that yeah the argument is yes what do we say about acronyms where part of it is useful i think you are supposed to mark the whole thing right yes i think you are so you are right seaput one8 and one9 galaxies there is a subclassification of seaford no one would make us you would not say we are talking about c for one8s well people do though do not they it is pretty stupid i think they probably are yeah it is just the answer it is a nice feature we are going to include galaxy and galaxy formation does not and ah now this is one yes that counts but it should be this one but what have you done if these are doubly underlined has it just plotted the top color 0 was it actually possible to double the underlined things yes yeah i do not know which one it would display then okay because what we want demont here let us just mark what we want and not that but we have also a boardline i can not it is i should know that what is possible to have this so you allowed this kind of abettate adaptations right because quite often an object class is defined by a spectral feature okay like borderline radio galaxies borderlines yeah i do not think that should go in do not mind one color for a few things 0 it is right here hyperlumous galaxy if you are having ultralumous yeah then you have to have hyperlimin so yeah this is just a color issue is it 0 right and so is not yeah you are right yeah yeah yeah yes ism it is the piece so it probably should not be in there the ism is not a source type no i do not mean so what are we doing about nebula again i forgot him we are now including nebula are not we okay features and that is maybe yes it is a strong drop in the continuum right there okay i think you are right again that is just the place yeah we are not doing emission line objects and we are not doing mission line when it is a modified of objects are we 0 no we are not doing that either you are right the question is are mission line objects a separate class of source i think they are no and you are arguing not to have anything with object in it then yeah yes you are right so that goes yeah anything in the other objects and super galaxies should be one here right there yes we have got to be 70 that is pretty good that is only a 3rd and you are speedy up as well i think so" ]

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[ "do you need to change anything on it because otherwise i will already open it do not think so okay unless things have suddenly change again is it much changes do not know maybe you have got new information like last time i did not no no i do hot have only the same information okay hello sebastian hello hello mister p m i believe miss tentel is with us as well in the control room well that is where the thinking goes on 0 it is that roo again always late bongiorno bongiorno i think you should punish him you are the p m punish i see some interesting okay possibilities yeah you wish people welcome back welcome the 3rd meeting oop i have some points i would like to some some issues i would like to point out 1st of all if you make minutes yourself as well like sebastian does could you put them on the shared folder if you do not make minutes no problem but it is easy for me to see what you wrote down yeah so i could can use that in the in the report the 2nd thing i was th s thinking to myself i have this little remote control and i am talking to it but i still need to point to the television because it works with infrared that is quite strange yes okay so we will come to that later i g i think the agenda for now are there any pre discussion questions no not at all no okay we wi we will have your individual presentations then the decision on the remote control concept and the closing 40 minutes in total for this so i think we we can immedis immediately start with the individual presentations the progress you have made okay i think it might be smart to look at ruud is information 1st because i understood there are some significant changes in the market situation kay alright 0 just press the okay button it works yeah okay yeah yeah yeah my method how surprising well findings ease of use is important but innovation is more important and a fancy look and feel is even more important and some fashion watchers have found out that the young target group likes fruit and vegetables in their clothes shoes and furniture and that they want spongy material probably watch too much sponge bob the older group still prefers dark colors simple shapes m material but we since we are concentrating on the younger group w wait a sec wait a se could you go to the previous slide 0 wait wait up because i am taking minutes and it kay were the important themes enclose yeah okay the feel of to be spongy so do you think when fruit and vegetables are important for clothing and shoes that they are in remote controls also well one example given was this so i assume they just want something colorful not specifically an apple as a remote control or something not something dull okay but they like dark colors you said in the p no the younger group likes more colorful okay objects well then i suggest that the corporate colors are gray and yellow but i had but can you can you go back to that slide the just one slide back no no no which one this yes okay and the feel of the material has to be spongy yes has it something to do with that natural feeling also do you think well it might but personally i would not like a sponge as a remote control but maybe soft material or something but not a real sponge okay so so yeah it might not be t it it should not be too hard it it maybe it rubber or or yeah yeah exactly okay yeah and like the older group likes familiar materials but that does not mean we should use wood or we could make 0 so okay well this this is an example of what they would like but since we are conten concentrating on the younger group i think we should use soft materials and make it colorful or like cell phones exch exchangeable covers yeah so we could provide both for the young and the old what they like well that is interesting it is quite interesting you could make a few v very colorful ones and a very traditional co cover yeah 00 yes i am thinking about the bananarama telephone telephone from siemens the yellow rubber telephone yeah yeah it is the it is the rubber yeah it is it is i yeah cover and it is colorful it looks likes a banana yeah we have the fruit we have the colors do you know the phone we have the simple design i do not know the phone but i can imagine it it is the siemens c 25 i believe it is it is the one the post bank gave away the very 35 0 that one yes and the b the light blue and it is also in yellow now i kn 0 i know i know yes i i have seen it i have seen it you kn you know ruud as well about th i have seen it but okay okay okay do you have thit that was okay kay that is about it okay so the the m important findings are innovation is more important than ease of use for the our target group yes and coloring is important and and soft materials soft material okay so so ease of use is important but technology is twice as important and what was even more important the fancy look and feel okay so that is the most important thing for our customers yes apparently okay roo yeah could you do your presentation well i do not ha really have much to add because most of things we already said in the previous discussion okay well it is good to to sum up the things we already thought about the previous ideas were voice recognition and the round button for the p channel programming and volume well a few interface i i found on the internet are are these these are both with with voice recognition but they are very advanced and very high tech and just well a weird shape shape so i suggest i could not i had a small mock up sign on the on paper but it did not work my pen did not load the information so i made a really simple f a shape on in powerpoint but we could make a round an oval remote control but it is it is kind of it is kind of 0 organic so that is very good yellow yeah yeah and what i am thinking about maybe we should make very light but a grip i mean this is how you hold a remote control yes it should not be too glatt too slippery s because slippery but if you have something like the siemens phone it is rubber you have to grab it yeah so it is easy in your hand indeed yeah exactly yeah yes there are there are also remote controls who have a little shape underneath where you can put your fingers in yeah ex for your fingers yeah so you can get a really good grip on it yeah so you you do not have to attain much pressure to it it is it is a lot easier yeah so m it grips automatically yes yeah okay but i will i will go into that deeper in my presentation okay good great 0 and to add on ruud is information in this interface we can have high tech with the voice recognition and well the the fancy colors and and so on and still have the ease of use because we have an easy interface and all the other remote controls are high tech in buttons and and so on yeah way too much i think for our goal yeah yeah so if you have the voice recognition you can you can program like 30 okay b but i think we will yeah 30 c controls on it okay but i will i will go into that because there are are some possibilities and some impossibilities i had a talk with our manufacturing division and we had a talk about all the different components who are in this design these are the things we have looked at and of course i used the web to find my information about the casing we have 3 different casing possibilities we have the uncurved or flat case that is the most common remote con control form we are used to is just a it ju it is just a box i am sorry i i do not have any pictures of of this thing we have a curved one it is curved in 2 dimensions you have to imagine it is a bit like a wave form so it is a little more advanced in its in its shape okay and we have an even more advanced shape which is curved in 3 dimension i c i think you can compare it a little bit with the big gray image you had in your presentation yeah the the big remote control something like that right but it is quite advanced and it is it is quite daring to to use i think for these casings we have different types of finishing we can use plastic which is very slippery and maybe not so nice but you can give it any color which is the same for rubber but it is not slippery we can use wood and titanium well we cannot use the titanium on the double curve cases and these latex cases there is there is just the plastic ones will not allow the use of solar cells as an energy source source which brings me to the different energy sources well we even seem to have hand dyn dynamos for powering our remote controls you really have to imagine like winding up your i d great well it would be very new to the market but it would be very new but it is a kind of a retro style i think yeah well this is quite interesting there is there is also a kinetic energy supply so when you are watching t v or when you are you you have to make some kind of energy kinetic energy by shaking the remote or throwing it against the wall like the watch whatever you wish it have it it has to move that is the the sense of it and you can store the energy in the in the thing i think if if i can hook on to that the kinetic thing is very funny it is very funny indeed i mean solar is of course it is nice but it is well your your calculator has a solar panel indeed hand dynamo but if you are watching a movie how many times you take the the remote control and and if if you have a watch well maybe m you have the kinetic idea in a watch also yeah i know you you walk and but you you are sitting on a couch yes yeah but you know you know from your own watch your watch uses a minimal con it consumes a minimal amount of energy the the shaking of your body which is almost every activity makes your body shake it charges it but the problem here is that it it supplies a a very little amount of kinetic energy so i think you have a problem when you are watching a movie and you have not moved the remote i remote control in a in an amount of time yeah and wha and you want t to switch the channel or something well m it might not work so that is something you have to keep in mind okay so but maybe maybe there is a possibility com to combine it with m traditional batteries so we can save on the batteries and when there is enough kinet kinetic energy use the kinetic energy and otherwise use the batteries yeah okay because i guess the voice recognition feature u consumes quite a f a lot of power yes it does yeah i will come to that later okay and we of course have the traditional solar power which is just a piece of material on the remote control which transfers light energy into electricity the user interface controls of course we have the push buttons and we also have scroll wheels and these scroll wheels can also be integrated with buttons so it is just like a mouse you can scroll em you can also push it in the indicators we have the l c d displays which means you can watch in a display w which channel you have chosen or something like that of the li amount of volume which is currently and we also have double scroll buttons which are just 2 of these things so we do not really have the the kind of button we had in mind in our in our last meeting the the thing with the the round with the 4 0 we can just make 4 push buttons in a form of a round yes that is possible too yes but i th i do not think the scroll wheels i had some i had some information about it too i do not think there is any possibility for us to use scroll wheels well i d i can not see any scenario where you would use a scroll wheel with a button on it well mayb well m me neither maybe when you integrate some functions this will be the remote right yeah with maybe a channel selector what about integrating a scroll bar on this side yeah that is a possibility but it is do it is done before because this is how you keep it yes but flores it is quite quite good yes think about a scenario where y where you would use the scroll button for volume well it is it well i what he means is there is an button integrated in the scroll wheel a volume okay there is no scenario where you use the button in the scroll wheel you just use the wheel well what about mute about mute well yes thi i i m i guess th this is my volume button okay yes and i can either on this side or this side well okay well that that that is one possibility okay and click it to muten the device well okay and and it makes it different from the traditional devices on this market it is quite goods so i am looking for a way to make it a little different than the traditional ones yes so maybe i guess that that is something you 2 need to think about yeah ruud wha what do you thing about a scroll bar scroll wheel wheel well it is obvious obviously new so it might attract the young customers okay but it is done before there are many other devices like telephones and our radio pocket radios we use this yeah and well it is it has been done years ago and i do not see it anywhere now so maybe it is not no well all the sony telephones use it for example for volume nokia has a well okay it is not really a scroll wheel but on their side th the the volume button is on the side because you gri grab it like this yes but it uses 2 separate buttons yeah i know it is not really a scroll wheel it does not use a no yeah well something for roo here for you too yeah yeah i believe if you have what we have earlier said the grip places in in the remote control you have your hand on one place on the remote control so you have to place all the buttons in a range of your thumb wi within reach yes you have to so in that case the volume button on the side of the remote control would be perfect yes yes yeah yeah okay okay sebastian okay we have to know if you want to use these rubber double curved c case you must use these push push buttons there is no way you can integrate l c d displays there is no way you can integrate scroll wheels because it is all curved there is there are no flat areas where you can incorporate these things yeah so that is a limitation about the components just the hardware we basically have 3 types of chips we can use and these chips incorporate all the logica and hardware that is needed to send to send a signal we have a simple regular and advanced chip and there is something like a sample sensor and sample speaker which is a little cryptic to me but i think that is the the voice recognition thing that we are thinking about yeah yeah you can i have some information about it in the voice recognition you say a word you can program words like v volume up okay okay so so okay of mute let us say mute you program it you m mute and you g you give an an action to it that that is really the mute function and when you speak in the the remote control yeah it repeats your saying so that is the sample sensor okay so if you say mute it says mute again and then it is well i believe it is it performs the action yeah and then he he repeats its action what which he believes it is yeah okay so you say mute he repeats mute and you makes a computer sound mute and then goes to the mute function yeah okay okay so that is basically the the voice recognition item we were searching for okay this sample sensor requires an regular chip i thought no op i am not very sure no it is not in here if we want to use the l c d display we really need the advanced version which is a bit l little bit more costly if we want to use the scroll wheels we need the regular version and if we do not want to use any of these more advanced functions we can keep with the simple chip which is a bit cheaper okay well d did we already decide on the display okay no but i think that is something for roo here to yeah to think about well i do not have i have not looked for for information about it but i do not think information y i do not think you need it on a display no especially when when we have to look at a cost i i do not think either i do not think cause all any t v can can view a digit on on screen yeah no i do not think you need it on screen display yeah okay okay th okay well my conclusion unfortunately the market has decided the a little other than i thought i thought the market would like a sort m sort of titanium casing but they seem to like natural stuff so maybe we should think about wood finish i have chosen the more battery with solar cell solution for the energy it is more reliable it is cheaper okay so i do not think we should use the dynamo thing good kineti okay the kinetic thing it it is it is a possibility it is it is more advanced but i am i think you should combine it with batteries okay it is maybe a bit too too flashy too yeah otherwise it will not too advanced well it is in in in some way it can give us an advance because you will save on your batteries but yeah but that that is the same with the solar cell yes that is no different and i think it is more robust it is more yeah okay but what about the markets it is more functional wants colourfuls designs so if you use titanium no no but the that is what sebastian said the titanium thing he said this is what this is my personal preference we have to skip it okay but but yet i understood that the market is different 0 sorry yeah so i think we should skip the titanium stuff and we should use wood or something like that so yeah and yeah the yeah the older people liked wood and i would think no r rubber with colors 0 okay sorry so it it needs to be rubber no the colorful and yeah the younger people liked soft material okay okay spongy materials yeah yeah okay well these scroll wheels i think they they can be they can be handy so and they can be implemented with a regular chip yes they can but they really need the regular chip you cannot use the sa simple okay but we also we already need the regular chip for the sample sensor speaker 0 evalu well i am not very sure maybe that is an a different but but do we want the curved design or i think so if you if you stick with the the simple straight forward not curve design i it is too dull i it is too dull yeah yeah i do not think c our customers will like it and if you take the double curved then you cannot you can only use the rubber buttons and you cannot use the scroll wheels yeah so i think this is the best of 2 worlds okay okay okay what about the issue i addressed at the beginning of the meeting the voice function w with the infrared issue yes because it it is of cour it is it is i i can imagine it is very dull to talk to a device w if you have to point to another device yeah it is very unlogical but most infrared remote controls do not have to be pointed at all well the there has to be some pointing at well but it depends also on your on your well if you if you take your hand before it okay it will not work but you can point it just to the other wall well it depends on your walls actually if you have have smooth walls it it it probably you are probably right yeah but if you have carpets on the wall which our natural loving friends probably do have all lights get absorbed yeah then yeah th th it might be a bit more of a issue yes because the walls they they reflect the infrared light so yeah so it has an it is easier i suggest we use the the sensor sample the sample sensor and sample speaker with a with a regular chip and the regular chip i think it gives us the advantage of and and the scroll scroll wheels yes yes yeah i like the scroll wheels idea and skip and skip the l c d part yeah i do not think it it is any value added thing no so think so too well it looks yeah well according to ruud the the the market likes new flashy technology okay technology and i mean l c d is well ok i know but it is m it is less s standard than than yes it is not very flashy and new standard well we are not very w we do not know much about the the f the financial part that is the problem because if we do have enough space in in our finance i would say do integrate it because it it adds a little ext extra high tech feeling to it yes but we already have the scroll wheels the sp the speaker the speak recognition the rubber yeah i think our customers will go insane the fancy colors okay okay it is it is too much yeah okay i i agree i think i ruud do you have any anything you would like to add or or maybe thoughts or nah n no i do not think so m no sebast nee roo roo do you have any other no nothing more nothing more okay the n the next phase will be sebas the not the what is the next phase f flores well we we need to describe decisions now okay so on the energy well we decided so i okay chip okay the case rubber with c 111 curve okay okay user interface but can not scroll wheels work with 11 curved case yes they can work yeah okay sorry yeah they cannot work with double curved 0 sorry that is that is problem yeah i will check it for you then the corporate identity should be in the product i guess that is something for roo and sebastian you talked about it before the colors gray and yellow yeah keep it in mind and the buttons well we talked about it now the next phase sebastian is the design of the look and feel yes the user interface design and for you the product evaluation i am sure your personal coach will give you more information on that and the i d and the u i d need to work together on the prototype drawing on the smartboard okay and i am going to plan my holidays okay so you will be on the bahamas the project drawing is for the next yeah it is it is when we come back in 30 minutes you will have a prototype ready yeah right okay so can you give us a summary of all decisions we have made yeah i can maybe one of you could write it down i will do great you you need to help me okay w start with the casing the casing is curved single curved single curved okay single curved case okay what about the energy source traditional batteries and solar but can there be wor can they work together or do we have to choose between them cause if we have to choose yeah no they can be complementary i i think they can al al i yes okay well what if not every device it it should be there should be really no problem they can be supplementary okay that is no problem yeah so okay th so just the energy source is the batteries and the solar battery and solar yeah okay what about the finishing of the case we have decided we wanted to use the rubber yeah with colorful rubber yeah if it is possible with different covers but i am not sure if our suppliers can can help us with with such a wish okay and i think we should use the company colors something like black and red black and yellow gray and yellow or black and yellow gray and yellow gray yellow okay yeah yellow case and gray buttons i think yeah although i do not think that is very colorful except for the yellow of course but i could think of a more attractive c set of colors 0 i think it is it is not very dull it is quite modern actually do not you think well i was more thinking about the fruit colors that the ruud showed us before i believe the but you have already you must have a red on and off button and well it it does not have to be red well well i mean th i think these colors are really what our young people are looking for so maybe it should not even be 2 colors it should be a full color cover with such an image or or i mean thinking in 2 colors is is too black and white for our m c market group okay i guess or black and yellow black and yellow yeah okay but i am afraid it is not possible to print a picture on the device because i agree it would be nice to have have something like that on the device itself but well there is just a week ago a keyboard manufacturer would print with and 0 i have read yeah yes yes but our manufacturing department is not so advanced in its techniques no they are actually very slow in its techniques okay so we have to deal with wh what is possible here so so i am afraid it is not possible yeah okay more f more more decisions we made a scroll wheel the scroll heel yes the voice recognition we already decided voice recognition of course okay so scroll wheel but there will be some additional buttons i guess yeah and th the they should be spongy also because they are they are rubber too i am going to leave that up to you 2 what what did you say well you can use well when you use the buttons they will they will be made of rubber too so it has th the spongy feel also yeah yeah so i i think that is okay yeah or you could use plastic buttons in the rubber i think rubber is nice because it i i mean what do you touch the button and what do they want spongy devices or or i yeah b but then you just have the the fact that the drawings on the buttons will disappear eventually what i said in the in the 1st discussion the digit 6 on the button it will disappear when it is from rubber is that does our our supplier say so it is not something it is no information i read about it or so but it is just from did not did we inc include the digi digits or leave them to the speech recognition no but but it cause things like volume could be placed next to the button yeah you could place a this this would be the button there the icons the scroll wheel i mean yeah b yeah and you could place the indica th th the signals the yes so you do not touch the icons that much that is okay yeah that is possible but then you have still the images on the rubber of the case so still then if you feel li if you feel your remote control you just rub on the cover so you rub on the painting no no there is no painting only yellow or yeah but it is into the rubber yeah but but the the plus or the minus yes the signs you have to draw the yeah but this is on the pla yeah i know yeah it is on the cover i think i know which you understand af i know what you mean so if you you just move the problem what about making this rubber and making this plastic i see what you mean well maybe that is possible because our manufacturing division also offers plastic finishing so maybe they can combine these 2 yeah well actually we should have it the other way around i guess a plastic cover with rubber finishing i mean this is this is the finishing this is what is on the edge what you feel yeah but the front on which the the buttons are does not have to be rubber i mean well i am i am not so sure i think it c should be y can you separate these these well i am not sure i have to ask with manufacturing but i am i am not sure that is what you want because our customers specifically ask for the spongy feel and that is what you get with rubber so if you want the spongy feel you need to make these buttons all all of rubber i know but do you touch this or do you touch this i think both i mean i i never touch between the buttons i do i do or the s the sideways i think or the the back yeah the side exactly the sideways or the back the side but do you touch between the the these buttons i think yes especially when there are l a few buttons on it you have a lot of space to touch so you just have it in your hand completely or or i you play with it okay well we do not have very much time left i guess you 2 have to figure that out yeah i am going to leave the decision to you because you have to make its prototype and yeah y you have the most knowledge about the suppliers the possibilities and so i am going to leave it the decision with you okay yeah sebastian did you write enough decisions down not quite what about the chips we use the regular chip regular okay yeah and use with well no i think that is about it yes okay with those regular chips we can still control advanced functions the chip is is not really the only difference between the advanced and the regular version is that the advanced version of the chip supports l c d okay well that is all and we have decided not to use l c d yeah so okay okay then i think we are quite finished i will see you guys in 30 minutes and for the finishing touch yeah okay yeah if you write wrote anything down could you put it on the shared folder okay yeah yeah but sebastian has everything i know but well i will put it online great right" ]

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[ "do you need to change anything on it because otherwise i will already open it i do not think so unless things have suddenly changed again much changes i do not know maybe i did not know that like last time only the same information i am okay hello sebastian hello hello mister p n i believe ms tentel is with us as well in the control room well that is where the thinking goes on 0 it is the rule again always late bonjourno i think you should punish him i see some interesting okay you wish people welcome back welcome the 3rd meeting i have some points i would like to some issues i would like to point out 1st of all if you make minutes yourself as well like to like sebastian does could you put them on the shared folder if you do not make minutes no problem but it is easy for me to see what you wrote down so i can use that in the report the 2nd thing i was thinking to myself i have this little remote control and i am talking to it but i still need to point to the television because it works with infrared that is quite strange yes okay so we will come to that later i think the agenda for now are there any pre discussion questions not at all okay we will have your individual presentation individual presentations then the decision on the remote control concept and the closing 40 minutes in total for this so i think we can immediately immediately start with the individual presentations okay the progress you made i think it might be smart to look at roots information 1st because i understood there are some significant changes in the market situation all right well just press the ok button yeah ok ok ok ok ok yeah my method how surprising well findings ease of use is important but innovation is more important and a fancy look and feel is even more important and some fashion watchers found out that the young target group likes fruit and vegetables vegetables in their clothes shoes and furniture and that they want spongy material probably watch too much sponge ball the older group still prefers dark colors simple shapes familiar in material but since we are concentrating on the younger wait a 2nd wait a 2nd could you go to the previous slide because i am taking minutes and okay will be important themes in clothes okay the feel of the measure is expected to be spongy so do you think when fruit and vegetables are important for clothing and shoes that they are in remote controls also well one example given was this so i assume they just want something colorful not just an apple as a remote control or something dark colors you said no the younger group likes more colorful okay well and i suggest the corporate colors are gray and yellow can you go back to that slide which one this this this one slide back no no okay and the feel of the material has to be spongy yes has that something to do with that natural feeling feeling also do you think well it might but personally i would like a sponge as a remote control maybe some soft material or something okay so yeah it might not be it should not be too hard it may be rubber or yeah exactly yeah okay and like the old group likes familiar materials but that does not mean we should use wood okay well this this is an example of what they would like but since we are concentrating on the young group i think we should use soft materials and make it colorful or like cell phones exchangeable covers yeah so we could provide both for the young and the old what they like well that is interesting it is quite interesting you can make a few very colorful ones and a very traditional cover i am thinking about the banana ramet telephone from siemens the yellow rubber yeah yeah it is the rubber cover yeah it is yeah and it is colorful it looks like a banana we have the fruit we have the colors we have the same design i do not know the phone it is the siemens c 25 i believe it is the one the postbank gave away 0 that one the very light blue 0 i know it is also in yellow yes i have seen it you know ruth as well i have seen it okay okay okay okay do you have more that is about it okay okay so the important findings are innovation is more important than ease of use for our target group and coloring is important and and soft materials so ease of use is important but technology is twice as important and what was even more important the fancy look and feel so that is the most important thing for our customers okay rule yeah could you do your presentation i do not really have much to add because most of the things we already said in the previous discussion okay well it is good to sum up the things we already thought about the previous ideas were voice recognition and the round button for the channel programming and volume well a few interfaces i found on the internet are these these are both with voice recognition but they are very advanced and very high tech and just well a weird shape so i suggested i could not i had a small mock up sign on the paper but it did not work but pen did not load the information so i made a really simple shape in the in powerpoint but we could make around an oval with remote control yellow it is kind of organic so that is very good yeah and what i am thinking about maybe we should make very light but a grip i mean this is how you hold a remote control yes it should not be too high flat to slippery slippery because yeah something like the cement phone yeah rubber yeah exactly easy in your hand yeah there are also remote controls who have a little shape underneath yeah you can put your fingers yeah you can get a really good grip on it so you you do not have to attain much pressure to it it is a lot yeah it grips automatically yes yeah okay i will go into that deeper in my presentation okay good great and to add on routz is information in this interface we can have high tech with the voice recognition and well the fancy colors and so on and still have the ease of use because we have an easy interface and all the other remote controls are high tech and buttons and way too much i think for our goal yeah so if you have the voice recognition you can you can program like 30 okay but i will go into that because there are some possibilities and some impossibilities i had a talk with our manufacturing division and we had a talk about all the different components who are in this design these are the things we have looked at and of course i use the web to find my information about casing we have 3 different casing possibilities we have the uncurved or flat case that is the most common remote control form we are used to it is just a box i am sorry i do not have any pictures of this thing we have a curved one it is curved in 2 dimensions you have to imagine it is a bit like a wave form so it is a little more advanced in its shape and we have an even more advanced shape which is curved in 3 dimensions i think you can compare it a little bit with the big gray image you had in your presentation the big remote control something but it is quite advanced and it is quite daring to use i think for these casings we have different types of finishing we can use plastic which is very slippery and maybe not so nice but you can give it any color which is the same for rubber but it is not slippery we can use wood and titanium well we cannot use the titanium on the double curve cases and these latex cases just the plastic ones will not allow the use of solar cells as an energy source which brings me to the different energy sources well we even seem to have hand dynamos for powering our remote control you really have to imagine like winding up your well it would be very new to the market new to the market it would be very new but it is kind of a retro style yeah well this is quite interesting there is also a kinetic energy supply so when you are watching tv or when you have to make some kind of kinetic energy by shaking the remote or throwing it against the wall whatever you would it has to move that is the sense of it sense of it and you can store the energy in the thing i think if i can hook on to that the kinetic thing is very funny it is very funny indeed i mean solar is of course it is nice but it is well your your calculator has a solar panel hand line nemouth in a movie how many times you take the remote control and well maybe if you have a watch you have the kinetic idea in a watch also yeah i know you walk and you are sitting on a couch you know from your own watch your watch uses a minimal it consumes a minimal amount of energy the shaking of your body which is almost every activity makes your body shake charges it but the problem here is that it supplies a very little amount of kinetic energy so i think you have a problem when you are watching a movie and you have not moved the remote remote control in an amount of time and you want to switch the channel or something well it might not work so that is something you have to keep in mind okay but maybe there is a possibility to combine it with traditional batteries so we can save on the batteries and when there is any of kinetic energy use the kinetic energy and otherwise use the batteries okay because i guess the voice recognition feature consumes quite a lot of power yes it does yeah i will come to that later okay and we of course have the traditional solar power which is just a piece of material on the remote control which transfers light energy into electricity the user interface controls of course we have the push buttons and we also have scroll wheels and these scroll wheels can also be integrated with buttons so it is just like a mouse you can scroll them you can also push it in the indicators we have the lcd displays which means you can watch in a display which channel you have chosen or something like that of the amount of volume which is currently and we also have double scroll buttons which are just just 2 of these things so we do not really have the kind of button we had in mind in our last meeting the thing with the round no we can just make 4 push buttons in the form of a round yes that is possible too but i do not think the scroll wheels i had some information about it too i do not think there is any possibility for us to use scroll wheel well i can not see any scenario where you would use a scroll wheel with a button on it well me neither maybe maybe you will be the remote yeah right with maybe a channel selector what about integrating a scroll bar on this side yeah that is a possibility because this is how you keep it but flores it is quite quite good think about a scenario where you are about a scenario where you would use the scroll button volume well what he means is there is a volume okay integrated in a scroll wheel there is no scenario where you use the button in the scroll wheel you just use the wheel well what about mute about mute i guess this is my volume button and i can either on this side or this side that is one possibility okay and click it to mute the device wow okay and it makes it different from the traditional devices on this market so i am looking for a way to make it a little different than the traditional ones yes so maybe i guess that is something you 2 need to think about ruth what do you think about a scroll bar or wheel well it is obviously new so it might attract the young customers but it is done before there are many other devices like telephones and there are pocket radios who use this and well it has been done years ago and i do not see it anywhere now well all the sony telephones use it for example for volume nokia has it well okay it is not really a scroll wheel but on their side the volume button is on the side because you grab it like this yes but it uses 2 separate buttons yeah i know it is not really a scroll wheel there is something for you too yeah i believe if you have what we have earlier said the grip places in the remote control you have your hand on one place on the remote control so you have to place all the buttons in the radio with your thumb yes you have to so in that case the volume button on the side of the remote control would be perfect okay sebastian okay we have to know if you want to use these rubber double curved case you must use these push buttons there is no way you can integrate lcd displays there is no way you can integrate scroll wheels because it is all curved there are no flat areas where you can incorporate these things so that is a limitation limitation about the components just the hardware we basically have 3 types of chips we can use and these chips incorporate all the logic and hardware that is needed to send to send signal we have a simple regular and advanced chip and there is something like a sample sensor and sample speaker which is a little cryptic to me but i think that is the the voice recognition thing that we are thinking about you can i have some information about it in the voice recognition you say a word you can program words like volume up okay so mute let us say mute okay you program it you mute and you give an action to it just really the mute function and when you speak in the remote control the remote control it repeats your saying so that is the sample sensor okay so if you say mute it says mute again and then it is a what i believe is it performs the action yeah and then he repeats his action with which he believes it is so you say mute he repeats mute and he makes a computer sound mute and then goes to the mute function okay so that is basically the voice recognition item we were searching for okay this sample sensor requires a regular chip i thought no well i am not very sure no it is not in here if we want to use the lcd display we really need the advanced version which is a little bit more costly if we want to use the scroll wheels we need the regular version and if we do not want to use any of these more advanced functions we can keep with the simple chip which is a bit cheaper okay okay did we already decide on the display no but i think that is something for rule here yeah well i do not have i have not looked for information about it but i do not think information i do not think you need it on the display especially when we have to look at the cost i do not think no i do not think you need it any tv can view a digital on screen yeah yeah okay okay okay well my conclusion unfortunately the market has decided a little other than i thought i thought the market would like a sort of titanium casing but they seem to like natural stuff so maybe we should think about wood finish i have chosen the more battery with solar cell solution for the energy it is more reliable it is cheaper so i do not think we should use the dynamic thing the kinetic thing is a possibility it is more advanced but i think you should combine it with batteries okay it is maybe a bit too fleshy too wow yeah in some way it can give us an advance because you will save on your batteries yeah but that is the same with the solar cell yes and i think it is more robust boost it is more but what about the market want colorful designs so if we use titanium no no but that is what sebastian said he said this is what this is my personal preference okay but i understood that the market is different 0 sorry yeah i think we should skip the titanium stuff yeah and we should use wood or something like that and i would know rubber with colors yeah the old people liked wood 0 okay sorry so it needs to be rubber call it the younger people like soft material okay spongy materials okay well these scroll wheels i think they can be handy and they can be implemented with a regular chip yes they can but they really need a regular chip you cannot use the same also we already need the regular chip for the sample well i am not very sure maybe that is no but do we want the curved design i think so if you stick with the simple straightforward not curve design it is too dull i do not think our customers will like it and if you take the double curved then you cannot you can only use the rubber buttons you cannot use the scroll wheels so i think this is the best of 2 wheels okay what about the issue i addressed at the beginning of the meeting the voice function with the infrared issue because it is i can imagine it is very dull to talk to a device if you have to point to another device yeah it is very illogical but most infrared remote controls do not have to be pointed at all well there has to be be some pointing it but it depends also on your if you take your hand before it will not work but you can point it just well it depends on your walls actually if you have smooth walls you are probably right but if you have carpets on the wall which are natural loving friends probably do have then yeah it might be a bit more of issue yes because the walls they are refurb the walls they reflect the infrared light so it does not it is easier i suggest we use the sensor sample the sample sensor and sample speaker with a regular chip i think it gives us the advantage of the scroll wheel yes yes i like the scroll wheels i skip the lcd part i do not think it is any value added value added no thing so well it looks yeah well according to ruth the the market likes technology new flashy technology and i mean lsday it is very flashy well i know but it is it is less standard standard then then well we are not very we do not know much about the the financial part that is the problem because if we do have enough space in our finance i would say do integrate it because it adds a little extra high tech feeling to it we always have the scroll wheels the speaker recognition the rubber i think our customers will go insane okay okay it is too much yeah okay i agree i think ruth do you have anything you would like to add or maybe thoughts or no i do not think so no sebast no ruhl do you have any other nothing more nothing more the next phase will be the what is the next phase to flores well we need to describe decisions now so on energy well we decided chip the case rubber with one curve use the interface but it can not go with one curved case yes they cannot work with double curved 0 sorry i will check it for you then the corporate identity should be in the product i guess that is something for ruhl and sebastian you talked about it before the colors gray and yellow yeah keep it in mind and the buttons well we talked about it now the next face sebastian is the design of the look and feel the user interface design and for you the product evaluation i am sure your personal coach will give you more information on that and the id and the uid need to work together on the prototype drawing on the smart board okay and i am going to plan my holidays okay so you will be on bahamas for the next yeah it is when we come back in 30 minutes you will have a prototype ready okay so can you give us a summary of all decisions we have made yeah i can maybe one of you could write it down i will do great you need to help me start with the casing the casing is curved single curved single curved case okay what about the energy source traditional batteries and solar but can they be can they work together do we have to choose between them no they can be complementary i think they can all i okay well what is not it should be there should be really no problem they can be supplementary there is no problem yeah so okay so just the energy source is batteries and solar what about the finishing of the case we have decided we wanted to use the rubber yeah colorful rubber if it is possible with different covers but i am not sure if our suppliers can help us with such a wish okay and i think we should use the company color something like black and red or black and yellow yellow gray and yellow or black and yellow yellow case and gray buttons yeah although i do not think that is very colorful except for the yellow of course but i could think of a more attractive set of colors i think it is not very dull it is quite modern actually do not you think well i was more thinking about the fruit colors that the root show just before already must have a red on and off button and well it does not have to be red well i mean i think these colors are really what our young people are looking for so maybe it should not even be 2 colors it should be a full color cover with such an image or i mean okay thinking in 2 colors is is to black and white for our market group i guess 0 black and yellow black and yellow yeah okay but i am afraid it is not possible to print a picture on the device because i agree it would be nice to have something like that on the device itself but there is just a week ago a keyboard manufacturer 0 i have read yes with feynord and yes but our manufacturing department is not so advanced in its techniques they are actually very slow in its techniques okay so we have to deal with what is possible here so i am afraid it is not possible yeah okay more more decisions we made a scroll wheel the scroll wheel yes the voice recognition voice recognition we already decided okay so scroll wheel but there will be some additional buttons i guess yeah and they should be spongy also because they are they are rubber too i am going to leave that up to you too what did you say well you can use well when you use the buttons they will be made of rubber too so yeah it has the the spongy fuel so i think that is okay or you could use plastic buttons in the rubber i think rubber is nice because it i mean what do you touch the button and what do they want sponchy devices but then you just have the fact that the trunks on the buttons will disappear eventually what i said in the 1st discussion the digit 6 on the button it will disappear when it is from rubber is that does our supplier say so it is not something no information i read about it or so but just from did we include the digits or leave them to the speech no but because things like volume could be placed next to the button yeah you could place a this would be the button the scroll wheel i mean and you could place the in the the signals the so you do not touch the icons but then you have still the images on the rubber of the case that is still then if you feel like if you feel your remote control you just rub on the cover so you rub on the painting no no there is no painting only yellow or but it is into the rubber the plus or the minus yes the sign but this is on the yeah i know it is on the cover i think i know what you understand i know what you mean you just move the problem what about making this rubber and making this plastic yeah i see what you mean well maybe that is possible because our manufacturing division also offers plastic finishing so maybe they can combine these 2 yeah well actually we should have it the other way around i guess a plastic cover with rubber finishing i mean this is this is the finishing this is what is on the edge what you feel yeah but the front on which the buttons are it does not have to be rubber i mean i am i am not so sure i think it should be well i am not sure i have to ask with manufacturing but i am not sure that is what you want because our customers specifically ask for the spongy feel and that is what you get with rubber so if you want the spongy fuel you need to make these buttons all of rubber i know but do you touch this or do you touch this i mean i never touch between the buttons i do or the sideways or yeah the side the side exactly the sideways the side but do you touch between these buttons yeah especially when there are a few buttons on it you have a lot of space to touch so you just have it in your hand completely or okay well we do not have very much time left i guess you 2 have to figure that out i am going to leave the decision to you because you have to make its prototype prototype and you have the most knowledge about the suppliers the possibilities and so i am going to leave the decision with you sebastian did you write enough decisions down not quite what about the chips we use the regular chip regular okay yeah and well i think that is about it yes okay with those regular chips we can still control advanced functions the chip is not really the only difference between the advanced and the regular version is that the advanced version of the chip supports lcd okay well and we have decided not to use lcd so okay okay then i think we are okay then i think we are quite finished i will see you guys in 30 minutes the finishing touch if you write wrote anything down could you put it on the shared folder okay yeah yeah but sebastian has everything i know but i will put it online great right right we have now in the 1st of them we have to be with the 2 there in and then we can with the 2 there 0 you get all information that you can just go to the right and then i will take it again i am just now i am just going to i have just a i have just a little yeah okay yeah okay okay okay hi okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay hi hi it is a good that you now with the 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[ "we are the 1st we are the 1st ones marketing expert yes so you found your spots yes move to the meeting room bling bling yeah okay right okay where has my screen gone hi hello good day 0 yeah we have to talk in english huh yep yeah my screen is gone 0 it is called black kick off meeting wow i am afraid i am a bit slow for this stuff it is looks nice okay i am afraid i am a bit too slow i do not know how much preparation you guys did but not a lot yeah yeah no it is it was not enough you see this beautiful presentation yeah very nice okay let us get started yeah i sort of prepared this opening acquaintance tool training how to use the things here project plan discussion and yeah then the rest of the meeting we are supposed to develop a new remote control that is both original trendy and user friendly so hope you have good ideas i do not i did my best we are work we are working from top to bottom not yet functional design then we do some in individual work then we have a meeting to discuss the results etcetera etcetera and at the end of the day we should have a prototype drawn up we have available the smart board and the whiteboard we should take some practice i have some instructions now to do that yeah well you know how to the documents work so this for toolbar you see it next we have a pen and we can use this pen to perform operations yes so it does not always work yes yeah okay so you can draw draw okay and in the format menu you can select color and line width etcetera etcetera alright kay okay okay each of you can take some practice and you should draw an animal you should explain with different colors and with different pen widths and you should explain why you draw that particular animal okay so julian do not take up too much space yeah different pen widths how do you do that with the format menu 0 okay and use different colors etcetera it is a giraffe are you serious and what is that supposed to be should it be one yeah 0 yeah okay 0 yeah 4 legs huh giraffe is yellow it needs some some yellow 0 format can you use one blank sheet per drawing or so y you must save it at the end and then yeah yeah you can press the next button which is yeah that is some spots i will show you i in the file option menu yeah in file menu okay then m make a new one no how much time do we have to draw anyway yeah cause i can take forever on this okay do i have to explain why i chose this this animal yeah i think it is a it is a great animal what is it it is a it is a giraffe a giraffe okay yeah that is a yeah i see a long neck but it is more like a dinosaur okay i will will give it an an eye okay that is nice of you hey come on some leaf to eat okay yeah pretty good could you press the next the next yes okay then yeah here you go thanks yeah is this part of our a acquai or introduction to each other yeah sorry introduction and get acquainted and alright that is the idea so your line broke yeah alright it is not that fast yeah it is a bit slow so yeah yeah i see it misses the spot pressure i am guessing a turtle no i am kidding i say good guess why a turtle because of its shell because it is slow it is slow cause it is so cause it is green you were slow too so yeah i was a bit slow too dude you are a good drawer so some other line width do you have a turtle pet no okay i dunno does it have legs yeah yeah yeah yeah sure yeah yeah not exactly legs but stumpy stuff more like fins or it is more like a tank yeah that is fins but i do not know where they kind of l look like mole legs with sharp nails on yeah some spots ah some eye yeah it is l looks very friendly yeah that is a fr friendly turtle i guess yeah well i think it is fair enough yeah okay a little tail maybe right i do not know what the position is does it have ears no no no no 0 okay the little holes maybe can you erase ears or yeah yeah yeah yeah there is a a gum gum to alright eraser and why did you choose this animal so he said it was slow i dunno i it just came into my mind so there is no particular reason i pen alright i like it yeah well i am guess i am done okay that is my turtle your turn niels alright how to select the next or here the next yeah yeah colors were under format right here you go makes new paper yeah let us see orange how am i going to do this a rabbit i think kangaroo not quite actually kangaroo fox a fox yeah firefox dog no cat aye it is a cat it is a cat not quite yet through a cat who had an accident or why a cat yeah i dunno they are my favorite pets you have some i have color already yeah i am not so good at drawing with this kind of saint 0 shit the pen yeah excuse my language sure i do not know how to draw its face but you get the idea it is a cat yeah it is my favorite pet animal cause they are cute they are independent and cuddly i dunno alright okay that is it or do i need to use more colors and yeah i think it is okay alright you get idea right yeah okay we have a financial aspect to this project we can sell them at €25 the aim is to reach to sell as much as €50000000 that is quite a big amount of money and the production cost should be the half of the selling price so we have to s okay now it is time for some discussion okay what what do you want to discuss yeah yeah we should get started yeah yep i am taking notes okay great we each have a specific task as i saw in my mail i did not know if you received the same mail yeah yeah yeah i guess so okay so the this industrati industrial designer should produce a working design yeah am i correct true okay the user interface designer should specify the technical functions right yep yeah and the marketing expert should come up with user requirements yeah did any of you already do some work on this part or well i started making an overview for myself what i had to do cause we have 3 design steps and in every step i have a s specific task to perform or whatever so i had to i dunno make an overview for myself about what i have to do and kind of let it work in to get ideas about and do you have any ideas about the product so far well how i have to fill it well i started i started with the 1st phase i think was the functional and let us see i had to focus on the working design which you said how does the apparatus work and well i basically had 2 points according to the coffee machine example i have batteries to supply energy yeah yeah and we ye use button presses to activate or deactivate certain functions on the t v okay and that is basically all i have so far yeah i got another point it uses infrared light to communicate the signal to the t v apparatus or stereo yeah wireless huh yeah yeah alright yeah so that is very common it is some buttons for for the on off function you d you already told that and for the changing up to the to all the channels and changing the volume that are the the basic options for a remote control yeah yeah i kept it global cause that it activates or deactivates specific functions cause i was not thinking yet about that okay yeah i mean you want to ch ch flip the channel but you might want to use teletext also yeah yep yeah i dunno what the word is in english same i believe yeah and what did the marketing expert do well from a marketing perspective well the function des design phase consists out of the user requirements what needs and desires are to be fulfilled so there are a few means to reach that by by doing research to see what existing products are there out in the market i mean what functions do they have especially what are their shortcomings are there any new functions which can be added to our product therefore we have to to do some internet search yep for example for well what kind of applications do current remote controls support and what are f featur features of current and future televisions yes so we can see what needs to be supported and we can interview current users and future users what w what would they like to see on a new remote control okay okay especially for future users i am thinking of early adopters because they they use new technology 1st and they play with a lot of tools and stuff so maybe they have some good ideas to to add okay and you can get that information i think i can get that information yeah okay that would be very handy so yeah but have you any idea so far as what the user requirements are no n not specifically more to how to get them and no i got some requirements it has it has to be user friendly no okay yeah yeah of course yeah yeah obviously really easy to use buttons not not very small buttons but not the the also the big big buttons but just normal buttons it has to be a small unit it has to be yeah you can take it with you everywhere in in your house so it has n has not to be l yeah gigantic machine big yeah and a and a good zapping range what do you mean by that yeah the distance from your television to your remote control has to be yeah yeah quite a big distance yeah it has to be capable for zapping from the other end of the room or something yeah yeah okay well i do not think i have anything more to add at the moment i think the best is to go to work whoa is that you or alright yeah okay any more points to discuss yeah i think we can go ahead with what we have i will summarize the things we discussed and put it in the project folder the use of the industrial designer can work on the working design etcetera etcetera and it seems you get more information by email alright so that was it for me alright okay kay thanks are you going to put the the notes on the yeah in the project folder yeah the pro okay okay yeah alright i am writing very fast yeah yeah okay hope it is readable yep okay anything more you want to add to the discussion i guess so well no i am just a bit wondering what we are going to do the next yeah do we only have to to do phase one the functional design session yeah because then we have a after that we are going to the conceptual yeah yeah we are just working the 3 phases y you do some individual work we have meeting individual work meeting and at the end of the day we have a final meeting and then i have to prepare i have to defend our design so make it good yeah okay okay we will do our best okay better make it i depend on you i am going to work on the conceptual design already cause yeah it is fairly important to know what kind of components we want to put in yeah if you can mix it it is okay yeah do we i mean is it going to be a multimedia control center do we want to be able to use the video recorder with it yeah yeah that is my question also because like new new functions well i think that is the user requirements requirements part yeah as to what they want yeah true do they want all those functions on that small yeah but but we need good communication about this stuff cause i have to f put the components into the design unit yeah yeah i would 1st m so if i do not know what components to put in it is kind of hard yeah well i i was yeah i understand yeah i i think we have 1st to start with the basic functions and we can expand them yeah well like l li like some like some some remotes who are out there you can always add a few yeah which i know there is one button which is very easy to switch between devices yeah so you can switch to your video and then the same buttons control your video the c d player yeah yeah and another function i will think of switch to your media center because that is getting very popular yeah so and then use your windows media center under your t v with the same remote control yeah so with the switch one single switch okay yeah i i know what you mean but you will ne need several other buttons for a video player okay s you need a play and a forw fast forward and a stop function yeah records and stuff like that and you you do not need that for a t v okay no and and for a t teletext you need additional buttons as well so i kind of need to know what we need you need additional yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah whatever i will just put my ideas in yeah in here and then we can discuss it with the next in the project yeah yeah we could just start with the assumption that is only for t v and video meeting and reserve the possibility to add other features okay so we have a basic starting and you can always extend that so make sure it is extendible okay yeah it it has yeah it has to be user friendly yeah alright yeah so it is has not it is yeah th the least amount of functions possible so it is easier to get to know how it works etcetera yeah okay yeah yeah i understand yeah yeah yeah okay and i will see you again when the computer tells us to alright yes yeah yeah you are di dismissed can we leave now or half an hour thanks you are fired not yet no alright okay alright let us move on let us see what we got to do yeah see you later yeah see you later okay yeah good luck yeah thank you well good luck what the" ]

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[ "we can not have we can not we can we are the 1st we are the 1st one marketing expert yes so you found your spots yes bling bling yeah right okay where is my screen gone hi good day 0 yeah we have to talk in english yeah my screen is gone it is called black kick off wow i am afraid i am a bit slow for this stuff i am afraid i am a bit too slow i do not know how much preparation you guys did but not a lot you see this beautiful presentation yeah very nice let us get started yeah i sort of prepare this opening acquaintance tool training how to use the things here project plan discussion and than the rest of the meeting we are supposed to develop a new remote control that is both original trendy and user friendly so i hope you have good ideas i do not we are working from top to bottom functional design then we do some individual work we have a meeting to discuss the results et cetera et cetera and at the end of the day we should at the end of the day we should have a prototype drawn up we have available the smart board and the whiteboard we should take some practice have some instructions on how to do that yeah well you know how do the documents work this is for toolbar you see it next we have a pen pen and we can use this pen to perform yes so it does not always work yeah okay so you can draw draw all right and in the format menu you can select color in line with okay okay each of you can take some practice and you should draw an animal and you should explain with different colors and with different bandwidth and you should explain why you draw that particular animal so you are in okay do not take up too much space yeah different bandwidth how do you do that yeah with the format menu 0 okay and use different colors etc and what is that supposed to be it is a it is a 0 yeah 0 yeah 4 legs giraffes yellow yeah it needs some yellow 04 of that can you use use one blank sheet per drawing or so he must save it at the end and then yeah you can press the next button which is yeah in the file option yeah in file menu okay then make a new one how much time do we have to draw anyway i can take forever on this okay do i have to explain why i chose this this animal yeah i think it is a great animal it is a giraffe okay yeah i see a long neck it is more like a dinosaur okay i will give it an eye okay that is nice hey come on some leaves to eat okay yeah pretty good could you press the next the next yes okay then yeah thanks is this part of our acquaintance or introduction yeah it is our introduction and get acquainted all right that is the idea your line broke yeah all right not that fast yeah i see misses the spot keep the pressure i am guessing a turtle no i say good guess why a turtle because of its shell because it is slow it is slow you were slow too yeah i was a bit slow too dude you are a good drawer some other line do you have a turtle pet no i do not know does it have legs yeah yeah yeah not exactly legs but stumpy stuff it is more like a tank yeah that is finned but i do not know where they kind of look like mole legs legs with sharp nails yeah some spots 0 some eye it is a friendly turtle i guess yeah well i think it is fair enough a little tail maybe right right i do not know i do not know i do not know what the position is does it have ears no no a little hole can you erase ears or yeah yeah a gum 0 right eraser and why did you choose this animal i do not know it just came into my mind so there is no particular reason i just like pen you like it yeah well i guess i am done that is my turtle alright how to select the next here yeah here you go colors were under format right let us see how am i going to do this a rabbit not quite actually fox fogs firefx no it is a cat it is a cat not quite yet though cat who had an accident or why a cat yeah i do not know they are my favorite pets you have some i have a color already yeah i am not so good at drawing with this kind of stuff 0 shit the pen excuse my language sure i do not know how to draw his face but how to draw his face but you get the idea it is a cat it is my favorite pet animal because they are cute they are independent and cuddly i do not know that is it or do i need to use more colors and i think it is okay okay okay okay we have a financial aspect to this project we can sell them at €25 the aim is to reach to sell as much as €50000000 that is quite a big amount of money and the production cost should be the half of the selling price okay now it is time for some discussion i will take it to okay what do you want to discuss yeah we should get started yeah i am taking notes okay great we each have a specific task as i saw in my meal i did not know if you received the same meal yeah i guess so okay so the industrial designer should produce a working design am i correct true okay the user interface designer should specify the technical functions right yep yeah and the marketing expert suits come up with user requirements yeah did any of you already do some work on this part or well i started making an overview for myself what i had to do because we have 3 design steps and in every step i have a specific task to perform or whatever so i had to i do not know make an overview for myself about what i have to do and kind of let it work in to get ideas about how i have to fill any ideas about well i started with the 1st phase i think was the functional and let us see i had to focus on the working design which you said how does the apparatus work and well i basically had 2 points according to the coffee machine example i have batteries to supply energy and we use button presses to activate or deactivate certain functions on the tv and that is basically all i have so far yeah i got another point it uses infrared light to locate the signal to the tv apparatus or stereo so that is very common i had some buttons for the on and off function you already told that and for the changing all the channels and changing the volume yeah the basic options for a remote control yeah i kept it global because that it activates deactivates deactivates specific functions because i was not thinking yet about that i mean you want to flip the channel but you might want to use tailored text also yeah i do not know what the word is in english yeah same movie yeah what did the marketing expert do well from a marketing perspective well the function design phase consists of the user requirements what needs and desires are to be fulfilled so there are a few means to reach that by doing research to see what existing products are there out in the market what functions do they have especially what are there shortcomings are there any new functions which can be added to our product therefore we have to do some internet search for example for well what kind of applications do current remote control support and what are future features of current and future televisions so we can see what needs to be supported and we can interview current users and future users what would they like to see on a new remote control especially for future users i am thinking of early adopters because they use new technology 1st and they play with a lot of tools and stuff so maybe they have some good ideas to to add you can get that information i think i can get that information yeah okay that would be very handy yeah but have you any ideas so far as what to the user requirements are no not specifically more to how to get them and i got some requirements that is it has to be user friendly yeah obviously really easy to use buttons not not very small buttons but not also the big big buttons but just normal buttons there is to be a small unit it has to be yeah you can take it with you everywhere in your house so it has not to be a gigantic machine yeah and a good zapping range what do you mean by that yeah the distance from your television to your remote control has to be yeah yeah quite a big distance yeah it has to be capable for zapping from the other end of the room or something yeah okay well i do not think i have anything more to add at the moment i think the best is to go to is that you or yeah all right okay any more points to discuss i think we can go ahead with what we have i will summarize the things we discussed and put it in the project folder the user of the industrial designer can work on the working design etc etc and it seems you get more information by email all right all right that was it for me okay thanks you are going to put the notes on the project okay yeah writing very fast yeah i hope it is readable okay okay so if more you want to add to the discussion well no i am just a bit wondering what we are going to do the next yeah do we only have to do phase one the functional design yeah because then we have after that we are going to the conceptual yeah we are just working in 3 phase individual work we have meeting individual work meeting and at the end of the day we have the final meeting and then i have to prepare i have to defend our design so make it good okay we will do our best but i am going to work on the conceptual design already because yeah it is fairly important to know what kind of components we want to put in yeah do we i mean is it going to be a multimedia control center do we want to be able to use the video recording yeah that is my question also because like new new functions is the user requirements part yeah as to what they want do they want all those functions yeah but we need good communication about this stuff because i have to put the components into the design so if i do not know what yeah well i was kind of hard i think we have 1st to start with the basic functions yeah we can well like like like some like some like some like some like some some remotes who are out there which i know there is one button which is very easy to switch between devices so you can switch to your video and then the same buttons control your video and another functional thing i will switch to your media center because it is getting very popular and then use your windows media center under your tv with the same remote control so with the switch one single switch yeah i know what you mean but you will need several other buttons for a video player you need a play and a fast forward and records and stuff like that for the tv no and for teletext you need additional buttons as well yeah i kind of need to know what we need yeah i will just put my ideas in the yeah in here and then we can this project the next yeah yeah we could just start with the assumption that is only for tv and video and then reserve the possibility to add all the features so you have a basic starting and you can always extend that so make sure it is extendable yeah all right it has yeah it has to be user friendly so it has not it is yeah the least amount of functions possible so it is easier to get to know yeah yeah i understand yeah all right i will see you again when the computer tells us half an hour yeah you are the dismissed you are fired not yet all right let us move on let us see what we have got to do yeah see you later yeah good luck yeah thank you yeah thank you well good luck what the what the there you know" ]

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document folder in project okay i have done that you have already done that no can that open yes well let us close this one we will just open a new one open it there well yes 0 new thing 0 yeah i have to say something due to some technical problems i have not digitized the last the meeting minutes but i will make sure that happens next time okay about the get and i will get this one in digital form too kay we are going to talk about working design the method of the remote control is electrical energy it activates a chip in the remote it is an electrical circuit which compose messages in the form of infrared signals to control the television it is a nowadays very known a known technology the known technology can make a cost very low it is a wild a wide sale of remote controls in the world and and the components are very very cheap diodes bat batteries and led lights they are needed and they are everywhere available again it is a fair price it is a common technology like i told the circuit board it is the most important part of the remote control we can use for that fiberglass with copper wires it is it is can be made as fast as printing paper it is it is all very okay yeah they are making it all the time okay and it is not very specialized technology i have not come to here but i have got some images of remote controls they were not very trendy or just just a remote control like everyone knows so i do not know why i should put it here okay but it is the technical side of the remote control yes but i have not made it because of the time 0 okay but well we will we will have to skip that part then what okay but you do not think it is a problem to design the technical part of the remote control no it is going to be easy yes okay but nothing restricted for user interface yeah with technical no it is it is just a part of a known technology yeah m i do not know okay kay remote control is nothing special nowadays r regardless of what type of functions we want to implement okay does not really matter but i kind of i do not think so because of the all the televisions there are a few maybe a couple of televisions with the new functions okay yes yeah okay okay but is it useful to put them on a on a standard remote well we will see we will see later on well the technical functions well i do not know if you got the same pictures as i got but i got these 2 no no and i think they are we have to focus on the one hand the expert view or the novice user th i think it is it is very much depending on the user requirements i do not s know who is doing t well will there be some user requirements later on yeah but it i think that is very important to watch what kind of functions there we want to put in a remote control the ones i i have received from the account manager yeah well we will keep this in mind and then discuss it later on yeah well y we can put functions in it when yeah when we get the user requirements and we can update it huh okay but this real this big d distinction between this type of remote we should we should choose one we should not compromise but really choose for expert viewer or novice v yeah yes i agree yeah well what that is what you want trying to say well yeah w if you want try a a a huge market if you want to reach a huge market like elderly people and we have to choose for novice user okay okay but i do not know it is it is really depending on how how how far the the the remote controls are already in n in use yeah well some of these yeah well some of that will yeah but i but it will be more clear when we come to the u some of the new requirements yeah probably yeah yes so well there are l at least basic functions like just th the channels one till 9 on and off switch which must be clear with a red button or something like that most standard have volume of course and a mute function and of course the next and previous channel i think that is just basic what we need and from that on we can user requirements what we need more yeah i just i thought joost was looking at the trendy the trends in the markets yes and i do not know if there are any if you put more functions more buttons maybe it is com becoming less trendy or something like that i have not really found a conclusion like that m you can just you can k you can keep it in mind that yeah i do not know i th i thought the the with less buttons you can make a more trendier yeah more trendier design i think design i think sounds interesting yeah well that is all i have to say i think okay yeah that was it alright well then the marketing expert can tell us something about the current market yes yeah it is alright alright i have done some research for functional requirements yes the working method there were 100 w h 100 people how do you say f watched using remote controls in the usability lab and they also filled out a questionnaire with a few questions i have lined them up here ask whether common remote control looks good or not about willingness to spend money on remote control about zapping behavior and and stuff like that i have found some interesting things we do we do got a market 3 out of 4 people claim m to find remote controls ugly so if we make a trendy design we sure have 70 fi 75% of the market which you can reach 3 out of 4 users zaps a lot as i quoted here from the results zap buttons are used 168 times per hour that is quite a lot relevant options are of course power buttons although only used once per hour channel selection volume and buttons for text and the more yeah other functions like audio settings video settings sound settings are not said to be very important and very much used furthermore 50% says they only use 10% of the buttons on a remote control that does not say we got we can leave 90% off but it sure says we should not make it too complicated 50% also claims to have lost a remote control very often in the room and an important thing here the most important customers which is over 70% of our market is in the age range of 36 to 65 years old and elderly people our market are less interested in nice features but more willingly to spend more money on remote controls so what i was thinking 0 wrong side we should not implement too much features on on our remote control because elderly people will get th lost group features for a higher usability what i was claiming in the previous meeting all the settings about audio settings video settings and channel settings which are not very often used we could group them on one button and make them accessible in one menu button or whatever because they are used very rarely and well it there are a lot of options there so we can really make yeah how do you say we can spare at buttons over there okay and if you want to implement v c r and d v d options group them in the button not too yeah small buttons so they will not be very how do you say visually presents yes will not be very present thank you and a trendy look well although 70% of the market is consists of elderly people who do not really care for trendy looks or whatever i guess it can do no harm to make it trendy for the other 30% that was kind of what i found okay okay okay well then we i am going to show you some of the new project requirements and then we going to discuss on what features we find important yes well some of the new requirements make some of your findings quite irrelevant i think because s decided to put they have decide to put 2 additional requirements forward well now i see 4 2 that is kinda strange well they say tele teletext becomes outdated since the popularity of the internet well i think that may be so but well we can not just leave the teletext button off well no i agree i agree it is impossible i think no way so the compromise we could make is just to make one teletext button you know like on and off and do not make a lot of special put a lot of special features on it to make it transparent or you know not too much no it is just you want you want to be able to make use of teletext but not to play with it that much yeah so we have to think of that the remote control should only be used for television otherwise the project becomes more complex which endangers the time t t ma the time to market so maybe we should leave all d v d and v c r related features off completely yeah okay i do not know i think that that is what they are trying to say our current customers are within the age group of 40 plus new products should reach a new market with customers that are younger than 40 so you talked about the elderly who were willing to spend more on a remote control and who were interested but well they are not relevant because we are aiming at a younger i do not really agree actually to be honest it is a very small market which we will approach then if we want to reach customers younger than 40 it is only like 30% of the total market yeah but it is it is is a dif it is a fact that the th th that bigger market you are talking about we already cover that mayb yeah our company already sells remote control to the older people but we we also want you know a new customer group that is the one we have not covered yet so i think that is what the problem is okay we have not got remote controls for well i think yeah maybe maybe we can compromise a little bit yeah i think so maybe if it is no no but i think we have to just keep in mind what the older age group wants not too much then bu alright so maybe we can make a remote control that is primarily interesting for the younger group but is not that bad for an older person either yes our corporate image sh should stay recognizable in our products our product is corporate color and slogan must be implemented in the new design okay something else nice to know but what is our slogan sorry yeah you will have to look that up the slogan yeah i will have a look we put the fashion in electronics i think it is something about the 0 okay puts fashion in electronics i thought it w might be let us make things better or something but sense simplicity sense and simplicity okay well let us go back to the the agenda so we have now had to the 3 presentations we know about the new project requirements that means we can well d yeah discuss on the remote control functions well if i can make a start i think it is becoming more clear what kind of remote control it is going to be and i already talked about the maybe you have a f familiar with the rem remote control that has the the can opener underneath it i think we are we are looking for some yeah we we are looking for a really simple remote control with only basic t v functions y well that yeah well to be honest if our aim group is till 40 not older than 40 maybe that is not very yeah we do not really need to have a simple remote control yeah yeah i think we can implement more functions then because basically the younger people are more able to adapt to new technology and therefore will be a more yeah but wha yeah yeah m yeah that is why well a lot of the use the requirements the the account manager sent me but i think they are are c are contradicting each other because they want a simpler design yes and no other s functions than just t v but they s do aim at a younger well ma yeah but you sai you said that that a lot of functions are not used yeah so why should j we put this function in well i think i think more i think people younger people are more looking for just a trendy look than more functions but i think you we can make some discuss distinctions in what kin in the know th th in functions you have y well you have different kind of equipment in your room like a t t v and a d v d player yes you can know you you can make very d you can put very detailed functions regarding the t v set on your remote control with the with the you know audio settings and v screen settings we do not want that i think that was that became clear we do not want but w maybe we should put some func i know that the younger people will most likely have a d v d player they want to you know they want to yeah control yeah but you said yeah d yeah but th the functions are not in the remote control we are making control remotely no yeah th th the user requirements of the the the new project requirements told us not to but maybe w yeah it is n yeah yeah i think we maybe should yeah well we should put some functions for other maybe for other equipment on it but just the basic functions maybe like rewind and wind or n what d what do you guys think but you can put them under the same button not much more than that yep yeah if as far as possible or we can u u we could put em behind the flip flap or whatever so t but what do you think do th should we implement features that or functions that to control other devices no no you do not think so no new requirements say no yeah the new requirements say so so but you can put a play and stop and and rewind well yeah maybe it is maybe there there there is something th m most of the time these functions do not support the particular device as well as their their own remote control yeah but you know a lot of d v d players have some tricky settings with yes but we y yes i i if it is too simple th they will not use the remote control they use their own th th with lot more functions yep exactly that is that is wha but but for for example v c r that is better example in this case i think on a remote control for television you do not need to be able to program the v c r to start recording at 3 p m or whatever no no you do not no no you do not need it no no huh exactly no no just play stop rewind and fast forward okay but we have to think w we have to think d v d i th i guess yeah i know but so but from my experience it is kinda a lot of d v d players you know like forwarding goes differently you get 2 speed or 8 speed or 16 speed yeah it is c sometimes a bit difficult maybe if we just leave the d v d functional m well i was thinking about putting it in but concerning the project requirements and what you just said i think we m should focus on the t v then yes yeah but just keep it simple and look more at th and and it is just an a complimentary remote and not a universal one if you want to keep it simple you can make a universal remote no it is only for television okay so yes but there are there are it is just a s it it should be something that is like a gadget on your coffee table and it is just for when you you you jump on the couch you pick up the the the nice remote the simple one just to put on the television nothing more yeah yeah yeah nothing more okay exactly alright but what televis but how wi how will you be able to handle a whole market there are a dozen of dozens of of remote controls that have yeah we we will make w this one trendy yeah the user interface is easy and simple well we we will come to that but ju 1st on the on the functions so we should put zap buttons on it also numbers to to go to the specific channels and the basic yeah basic functions yeah yes definitely yeah it is too much integrated in the other okay a t a teletext button should be there but just one big teletext button on and off yeah probably yeah and maybe 2 or 3 other options but not nothing more than that i think stop function is very useful if you have a a page which consists of more pages and you are not a very quick reader 0 okay then i think it is very irritating if the next page shows up but yeah but i think that becomes too difficult it is not a very common function and people will have to read up on their remote then well i use it very regularly the action i re i use it quite often yeah yeah but maybe you s yeah yeah maybe y you do but i have never heard of it in the 1st place will you look and we have to well t yeah and t and teletext is becoming outdated look at the market we just want to see what programs are on and what time it is probably yeah i do not know i think that that is kin getting too complex for our remote well i do not know what you th guys think might be might be yeah i it is sunday i always use it for the yeah for the soccer yeah but do you like to have a such a s stop button or do you think it i think it is a kind of very rare and special function well when you when you look for example a couple of weeks ago i looked at the for the flights and there are a lot of flights in one page so if if th yeah okay it goes yeah but that is kind of stuff we should do on the internet right now that is why it was said in the in the use in the r new requirements yes but you could put yeah but on the z on the zap buttons you can put it to to access all the same pages if you have 7 pages you can go up and down well yeah lots of new televisions can store pages you know and then you can just skip manually through them using i think we should just put one teletext button on it yes true then we meet the new requirements we also meet the other thin y you sh you just re we have to choose for the the simple design i guess a simple yeah okay well what functions do we have to decide on or do we i dunno if we have t stif specifically name all the functions we n we want we have the zap and the volume should we do m make them very big the the the zap button d d i think the +and the minus button should be quite present yep yes th that is that is that is considered to be trendy also but trendy yeah i do not know or maybe you should place them on a in a special way maybe we can make a kind of a joystick yeah something or somethin special way to to zap through the it has to s it has to be yeah and quick original you have to use it very quickly it was yep if you grab the remote your hands should be on top of the plus true yeah and it the buttons should make it possible to to zap through your channels in a rapid at a rapid pace yes 0 what should we decide on then i think in a in a case of this simple remote control but yeah the technical aspects which were not worked out already but it w should not be a problem then no it is 0 just signals and the television d does the rest yep maybe no okay but we do not have to when we do not want to control other devices i think it makes it even more simple no maybe we the batteries maybe if you use large batteries or small batter batteries the most standard batteries i think i think that we should use d yeah i think double a yeah not not the b the watch kind th the most well it has to be simple and i wi yep yeah the most ordinary batteries which are most likely to be found somewhere in the house you know okay yep 0 how much time do we ha we have left i think about 20 minutes m m m more than 30 minutes 1020 minutes but i in a way we have to be special well these these should not early break yeah yeah okay but that is that is do you have you have you think about tha thought about that how we can what the extra touch can be maybe th m do you suggest design or the shape or some gadget f f kind of feature or well it was something about how we lose them maybe it should be a remote control when you you clap you hands it makes some noise or some gadget kind of thing i think that is n that is more for a for an age range or 10 to 12 or whatever to find him yeah that is maybe yeah i do not know i do not know nah a lot of people like to have such kind kind of kind of gay kind of things it w it w should be like a birthday present or something that you give someone and it is i has something nice yeah yeah that is good one yep yeah or maybe it w should have a big light that can flash or something on it or maybe it should or an or the like the the can opener maybe it contains some feature that you do not normally link to a remote control i think it is very impor because we are going to make such a basic remote control we have to do something to make it special yeah it is going to cost €25 ye i think the can opener i is a brilliant idea actually because television and beer is not a rare combination yeah but the well it is already been done yeah but that is yeah nah yeah that is true but and i think it is going to be very it has to be sturdy or something so maybe with with bouncing pads so that you can just throw it on the floor or something yes it has to be used something special and you really it has to yeah yep you know y not s people when they buy it they have to think well this one lasts for a long time we are really going to use them not some thing you you throw away next week you know no that is true so maybe that is i i think that is when when we decide on these type of functions know basic functions it is very important to find something like this so there is a very important task for you and maybe we can all think about it be original yeah also for you maybe when t you it is very nice when you can be entra when you can be trendy and and and al as in a friend use friendly as well you know and use friendly yeah so big buttons flashy design and maybe some kind of gadget kind of thing yeah yeah must brain storm yeah a swapable front or whatever huh yeah or just different colors would be i do not know if people also want to spend more money on fronts for their remote control well for the remote control it could be be yeah you never know but why not yeah more money for us but it and i think we have to make it quite big yeah quite big yes definitely definitely yeah you think yeah people that is to be a formed for your hand so and and also because it is expensive if you want it to be something you know it is ha does not have much functions want to be you do not want to get it l make it yes it it it should be f be visible nearly anywhere in the room as i as i said during my presentation 50% 0 and shou and should ni look nice when you put it on a table i i think you m might want to put it yeah that it it it it stands up a standard or something yeah yeah you have to put it on its so it is like a vase or something you put on a table a face or yeah yeah no no put stuff inside it yeah more like a joystick then but it is like like a statue or something yeah yeah i see what you mean yep it is like you have 4 phones yeah yeah but yeah but you also can put it somewhere near the window in something like that if you do that but i do not know if that is possible within the production cost of €125 that it is it is fashionable i i do not i in in the base we could like make a button and if you push it the remote control itself s makes noise 0 yeah that is probably stupid but as i found here 50% was it 50 but that is that is fun for the 1st time and then the 2nd 50% 50% often loses remote control yeah but but when you when it gets lost how can you press the button to make it no of the base the the the the the the the thing you put it in 0 okay on the television 0 like this that is kind of nice if an a button in in that or you can and then also you do not even need batteries because you can make it chargeable a char chargeable yeah you can ma make rechargeable one yeah yeah yeah yeah that w yeah but yeah the pro no well i think that it might be t p well nee but we do not yeah why not why not maybe you but we do not know much about production cost but when you you can imagine that when you spend €25 on a remote control and it is a basic remote control with recharger then the then the money there must be money to spend on that kind of saint you know rechargeable units it should only cost €125 of course aye yeah but we would d ma we would do it in taiwan and so it is not going to be that expen production yeah okay it should be possible i i think it is a great idea i think it is a good idea yeah s some kind of be i have never seen that before and you make it be you see it with the mo the mouses nowadays to make a base or something yes yes definitely yeah yes but is that handy well i well it is really ch you can recharge it so you ha never have the battery problem it is it is it is it is that is one and you can always find your remote control up but but remote controls remote controls nowadays can can last 2 years 3 years with with t 2 batteries it is not the purpose to be handy it is okay well maybe yeah you could when that is when it is too costly you could probably skip the recharger and then you but you will you do need also an also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well you know does it makes it kinda yes well y you you could connect that to 200 to 20 volts of course or yeah yeah i do not know okay yeah but that is not it is ugly i think yeah yeah but then it is very easy to make it also a rechargeab i do not think that is going to cost much to make it also a recharge function in it no on the other hand if you do not do it we can also make a nice bay i mean it looks trendy and still still put a bleep function in it but i think the bay is definitely yeah i think it is a good idea and make it you know we we well we it is it is not a t a most costly remote control we can save on the on the functions we just put some simple button in make it big and sturdy nothing more and just make s sure there is some noise that it can make or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it that it lights up it is also nice sure why not yep and if you put it away i think it is w we have to we that is it is not a easy market yeah yeah we have to something special yeah and for €25 people want something remote c special from your mote control true yeah and we can not deliver that in r with regards to the functions because we are not going to put definitely with eye candy ear candy whatever yeah yeah definitely and then when make it you know nice looking shape and this and then you also you got the stand up thing yeah i think i think it is a good idea yeah yeah it must be must be a gadget to have yeah definitely yeah 0 if it let us well we will see what is possible concerning the the costs and if it is possible we will do that yeah and we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing and the 1st thing we the most likable thing to to n to skip is then probably the recharge function or something if that is too expensive we will not do that yeah we c but it would be nice it would be nice yes it is the idea i know that batteries last long nowadays and and what people just think about well i will never have to buy any r batteries again so y b because it is very annoying when your battery is empty and you know then when you have not batteries around and probably for 2 weeks your remo i have experienced that that most televisions break down before the battery pack is empty so yes yeah okay so easy functions well we will we will i think we will work that out zapping numbers on it bi or just give a beep when the battery is out or down yeah why not yeah but it is also annoying cause as long as it stays as it ke keeps working you are not very motivated to do something about it yeah true then it beeps all the time and no that is true you do not want to have ever have those problems and you will not have if if you have the rechargeable and you do not have to use the unit you can also put it on the side if people do not like it i i in the in the ma yeah but it w i mean why not but you pay for it if if they pay for it because they think 0 that is a great idea i am going to use it and when it you know when time goes by and they think well i will never put him in the recharger i think last long enough then they put it on side and they can use it now and then then when they look get m i i i know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control within a couple of months of they will be in the situation that they they are seeking for the remote control they want to see something quick and just push the button and th i think it is brilliant yeah bleep bleep bleep 0 there it is yeah yeah i have never it is so simple but i have never seen it yeah yeah no and you can leave it just there nearly m maybe we should really do this yeah yeah okay now well how much time have we got left these clocks are not synched yes 0 now i have put well it is 20 p okay so we have 10 minutes or something yeah i will something like that yeah yeah but we are we are done 15 minutes i think we have decided on the functions well there is some 0 there is a closing sheet we have lunch break and then we have 30 minutes of individual work 0 0 okay i will make sure i will i had some problems with the digitizing the the 1st minutes the the s the next minutes will not be a problem but i will try to make sure the 1st one will be in the folder too but maybe it will not work but you will see we will see i think these are more important than the 1st ones so can you make an a part of f folder for the minutes maybe that not not everything in 11 folder maarten 5 minutes 05 minutes yeah because i i d i did the 1st minutes i did were were were a bit scratchy you know then i did a s 2nd one with a nicer layout which i could know use for the other ones well but i d think i forgot to do put done under the 1st one and when you go write a 2nd it is get it is not working when you try to write 2nd paper or something yeah maybe no that is true yeah and then you you had to overwrite it or someth i do not know becau i d it was not my pen should we by the way draw this kind of looks you like on our nice whiteboard a little idea of yeah of the shape or the sh yeah probably it would be nice i dunno has anyone got a little bit detailed ideas about the shape do you get an idea of the shape i do not for one maybe like this pen a bit bigger i guess but no bigger a little bit bigger yeah but the shape is nice it is something different and we want we want that it has to feel nice in your hand well i i i have to say i have this can opening remote control in my head most of all yeah or i think some maybe we should no that will be too costly 0 look look at the pictures we shou we could also that was a would also be an idea but i do not think it i do not know if it exists already you should like make alessi or something design it okay yeah that would also be nice but that is going to then you c then you do not yeah but €125 yeah but then you do not have t yeah it that is not something i that is in the production cost a one it is a one time you know s was it is a single cost yeah yeah m but but then you can nah i do not thin i think that it would be more expensive because i have bought the alessi stuff more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive yeah that is true would be a nice idea though i do not know i think it has to be a r it has to have round forms or something like something like that or so or so something like that is very ergonomic and on th and then s a base unit underneath it so it is also round put it in there wire on it yeah maybe i do not know some some lights a big but well yeah flash lights at the side volume and program yeah at the side or something like that yes volume and program should be there i guess because you hands wi y your hands will be in the smaller part and some of the extra funct some of the extra functions over here yeah yeah and the numbers on top i guess numbers yeah and and lights how we are g well maybe s a ring of no no you have to maybe on the side of it maybe ro roun rounds l sorry yeah side of it along the side strip of yeah just 2 leds or something on the side maybe lights also around the volume and the p the +minus program buttons yeah yeah but i also meant the the blinking li w you know the ones that also blink when you try to locate your remote 0 okay yeah yeah well theys have to be well probably at the side you know look at the front but yeah yeah yeah exactly when you you see it from the side then it would look just like that yeah exactly and then there is yeah and then you have a strip of lights or something yeah something like that yeah okay yeah well i think it is nice for one thing maybe put something on top of it or you know like that is looks funny no i do not know no or some bump i think i think that will be too big tha too big then maybe some yeah bumper or something we will have to think about it i think we are we are done yeah yeah yes we are we can save this one alright lunch break yes i guess it is lunch time okay then i do not know half and hour i thought our next next individual round was half an hour okay 5 yeah that was what i do not know about the lunch break we will hear about it well 0" ]

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[ "my mouse my mouse is not working anymore 0 when i put it in it is going to beep beep beep 0 i got a nice little screen here over here i got like this big black border on every side okay okay everybody ready i will fix it yeah welcome at the functional design meeting again presented by martin this is the agenda opening we have got 3 presentations and i am going to show you some of the new projects requirements that were sent to me and we are going to make a decision on the remote control functions we have 40 minutes yes 0 well this is the closing already so well we start off with the 1st presentation i think we have to do it in the right order maybe the i do not know what the right order is well that it does not maybe we should start with the technical functions okay how can i get this on the well you do not the file in the project document folder if already done that yes let us close this one we will just open a new one there 0 yeah i have to say something due to some technical problems i have not digitized the last meeting minutes but i will make sure that happens next time okay and i will get this one in digital form too okay we are going to talk about working this work in this design method of the remote control is electrical energy it activates a chip in the remote it is an electrical circuit which compose messages in the form of infrared signals to control the television it is nowadays very known known technology the known technology can make the cost very low it is a wild a wide sale of remote controls in the world and the components are very cheap diodes batteries and led lights are needed and they are everywhere available against a fair price common technology like i told the circuit board it is the most important part of the remote control we can use for that fiberglass with copper wires is it can be made as fast as printing paper it is all very very they are making it all the time it is not very specialized technology i have not come to here but i have got some images of remote controls they were not very trendy or just a remote control like everyone knows so i do not know why i should put it here okay well it is the technical side of the remote control yes but i have not made it because of the time okay well we will have to skip that part then okay but you do not think it is a problem to design the technical part of it the technical part of remote control is going to be easy yes okay nothing restricted for user interface no it is just a part of a known technology remote control is nothing special nowadays regardless of what type of functions we want to implement does not really matter i do not think so because of all televisions televisions there are a few maybe a couple of televisions with new functions but is it useful to put them on on a standard remote well we will see we will see later on well the technical functions i do not know if you got the same pictures as i got no i got these 2 and i think there we have to focus on the one hand the expert view or the novice user i think it is very much depending on the user requirements i do not know who is well there will be some user requirements later on yeah i think that is very important to what kind of functions there we want to put in the remote control well we will keep this in mind and then discuss it later on yeah we can put functions in it when we get the user requirements and we can update but there is a big distinction between this type of modes we should choose one we should not compromise but really choose for an expert view or no i agree yeah well that is what you want to try a huge market if you want to reach a huge market like all the people we have to choose for a novice user but i do not know it is it is really yeah depending on how far the the remote controls are already in well some of those yeah but it will be more clear when we come to the you of some of the new requirements yeah yes probably so well there are at least basic functions like just the channels one till 9 on and all switch which must be clear with a red button or something like that most standard volume of course and a mute function and of course the next and previous channel i think that is just basic what we need and from that on we can see it use requirements what we need more yeah i just i thought you are looking at the trendy the trends in the markets yes and i do not know if there are any if you put more functions more buttons maybe it is coming less trendy or something like that i have really found a conclusion like that keep it in mind yeah i do not know i thought the the with less buttons you can make a more trendier design yeah more trendier design i think sounds interesting yeah well that is all i would say okay yeah right well then the marketing expert can yes tell us something about the current market yeah it is all right all right i have done some research for functional requirements yes the working method there were 100 people how do you say watched using remote controls in the usability lab and they also filled out a questioner with a few questions i have lined them up here ask whether a common remote control looks good or not about willingness to spend money on remote control about sapping behavior and stuff like that i have found some interesting things we do we do got a market 3 out of 4 people claim to find remote controls ugly so if we make a trendy design we sure have 75% of the market which we we can reach 3 out of 4 users zaps a lot as i quoted here from the results zab buttons are used 168 times per hour that is quite a lot relevant options are of course power buttons although only used once per hour channel selection volume and buttons for text and the more other functions like audio settings video settings sound settings are not said to be very important and very much used furthermore 50% says they only use 10% of the buttons on a remote control that does not say we can leave 90% off but it sure says we should not make it too complicated 50% also claims to have lost remote control very often in the room and an important thing here the most important customers which is over 70% of our market is in the age range of 36 to 65 years old and elderly people our market are less interested in nice features but more willingly to spend more money on remote controls so what i was thinking 0 wrong side we should not implement too much features on on our remote control because elderly people will get last group features for a higher usability what i was claiming in the previous meeting all the settings about audio settings video settings and channel settings which are not very often used we could group them on one button and make them accessible in one menu button or whatever because they are used very rarely and well there are a lot of options there so we can really make yeah how do you say we can spare buttons over there and if you want to implement vcr and dvd options group them in the button not to yeah small buttons so they will not be very how do you say visually present yes will not be very present thank you and a trendy look well all although 70% of the market consists of elderly people who do not really care for trendy looks or whatever i guess it can do no harm to make a trendy for the other 30% that was kind of what i found okay okay well then we i am going to show you some of the new project requirements and then we are going to discuss on what features we find important some of the new requirements make some of your findings quite irrelevant i think because they have to set 2 additional requirements forward i see 4 that is kind of strange well they say teletext becomes outdated since the popularity of the interest well i think that maybe so but we can not just leave the teletext button off no i agree i agree so the compromise we could make is just to make one teletext button you know like on and off and do not make a lot of special put a lot of special features on it to make it transparent or you know it is just you want to be able to make use of teletext but not to play with it that much so we have to think of that the remote controls should only be used for the television otherwise a project becomes more complex which endangers the time to market so maybe we should leave all dvd and vcr related features off completely okay i do not know i think that that is what they are trying to say our current customers are within the age group of 40 plus new products should reach a new market with customers that are younger than 40 so you talked about the elderly we are willing to spend more on remote control and who were interested but well they are not relevant because we are aiming at a younger i do not really agree actually to be honest it is a very small market which we will approach then if we want to reach customers younger than 40 it is only like 30% of the total market yeah but it is a fact that the bigger market you are talking about we already cover that our company already sells remote control to the older people but we also want a new customer group that is the one we have not covered yet so i think that is what the problem is we have not got remote controls for maybe we can compromise a little bit yeah i think so maybe not too much then but i think we have to just keep in mind what the older age group wants and maybe we can make a remote control that is primarily interesting for the younger group but is not that bad for older person either yes our corporate image should stay recognizable in our product our product corporate color and slogan must be implemented in a new design something nice to know sorry yeah you have to look that up yeah i will have a look we think it is something about electronics 0 okay i thought it might be let us make things better or something sense and simplicity ok well let us go back to the agenda so if now had the 3 presentations we know about the new project requirements that means we can discuss under remote control functions well if i can make a start i think it is becoming more clear what kind of remote control is going to be and i already talked about maybe you are familiar with the remote control that the can opener underneath it i think we are looking for some yeah we are looking for a really simple remote control with only basic tv functions well to be honest if our aim group is till 40 not older than 40 maybe that is not very we do not really need to have a simple remote control i think we can implement more functions then because basically the younger people are more able to adapt to new technology and therefore will be able to yeah that is why a lot of the requirements the account manager send me i think they are contradicting each other because they want a simpler design and no other functions than just tv but they do aim at the younger you said that a lot of functions are not used so why should we put this function in i think younger people are more looking for just a trendy look than more functions but i think we can make some distinctions in the functions in the functions you have different kind of equipment in your room like a tv and a dvd player you can make very you can put very detailed functions regarding the tv set on your remote control with the audio settings and screen settings we do not want that i think that became clear we do not want but maybe we should put some i know that the younger people most likely have a dvd player they want to you know they want to control remotely yeah but the functions are not in the remote control we are making no yeah the user requirements of the new project requirements still is not to but maybe yeah i think we maybe should you know we should put some functions for other maybe for other equipment on it but just the basic functions maybe like on the wind and wind or what we are not much more than that the same button yeah as far as possible or we can you you we could put them behind the flip flap or whatever what do you think should we implement futures that are functions that to control other devices no you do not think so no the new requirements yeah the new crime and say so but you can put a play and stop and well maybe it is maybe there is something most of the time these functions do not support the particular device as well as their own remote control you know a lot of dvd players have some tricky settings yes if it is too simple they will not use the remote control they use their own but for example a vcr that is a better example in this case i think on a remote control for television you do not need to be able to program the vcr to start recording at 3 pm or whatever just play stop rewind and fast forward okay but we have to think dvd yeah i know but i guess so from my experience it is kind of a lot of dvd players you know like forwarding goes differently you could have 2 speed or 8 speed or 16 speeds sometimes a bit difficult maybe if we just leave the dvd function out well i was thinking about putting it in but concerning the project requirements and what you said i think we should focus on a tv then keep it simple and look more and it is just a complementary remote then not a universal one if you want to keep it simple you can make a universal remote it is only for television okay it should be something that is like a gadget on your coffee table and it is just when you jump on the couch on the couch you pick up the nice remote the simple one just to put on the television nothing more nothing more okay all right but how will you be able to handle a whole market there are a dozen of remote controls that have this one trendy it is simple we will come to that 1st on the functions so we should put zep buttons on it also number also numbers to go to the specific channels it is too much integrated okay a teletext button should be there but just one big tenetex button on and off yeah and maybe 2 or 3 other options but nothing more than that i think a stop function is very useful if you have a page which consists of more pages and you are not a very quick reader then i think it is very irritating if the next page shows up i think that becomes too difficult it is not a very common function and people who have to read up on their remote end i use it quite often yeah maybe you do but i have never heard of it in the 1st place we have to well look at the market yeah and tel xx is becoming outdated we just want to see what programs are on and what time it is probably yeah i do not know i think that is kind of getting too complex for our moment i do not know what you do you guys think yeah at sendai or sunday i always use sunday i always use it for the yeah for the sucker yeah but do you like to have such a stop button do you think it i think it is a kind of a well when you look for example a couple of weeks ago i looked at the for the flights there are a lot of flights in one page yeah but this kind of stuff we should do on the internet right now that is what we could be said in the in use in the real climate zap buttons you can put it to access all the same pages if you have 7 pages you can go up and then you can just skip manually through them using i think we just put one teletext button on it then we meet the new requirements we also meet the other thing you used we we have to choose for the simple design i guess okay what functions do we have to decide on or do we i do not know if we have to specifically name all the functions we want we have the zb button the volume should we do make them very big the z button i think the +and the minus button that is considered to be quite present yeah yeah or maybe you should place them on a special way maybe we can make a kind of a joystick yeah something or something something special way to zap through the it has to be aing quick you have to use it very quickly yeah if you grab the remotes your hands should be on top of the class the buttons should make it possible to zap through your channels at a rapid pace yes 0 what should we decide on them i think in the case of this simple remote control the test the test technical aspects which were not worked out already but it should not be a problem then no it is just signals yeah maybe and the television does the rest no okay but we do not have to when we do not want to control other devices i think it makes it even more simple maybe the batteries maybe we use large batteries or small batteries i think standard batteries i think double a yeah yeah not the watch kind of the most well it has to be simple when i the most ordinary batteries which are most likely to be found somewhere in the house yeah how much time do we have left there i think about 20 minutes but in a way we have to be special yeah yeah okay but that is this have you think about that thought about that how we can what the extra touch can be maybe just the design or the shape or some gadget kind of future there was something about how we lose them maybe it should be a remote control when you clap your hands it makes some noise or some gadget kind of thing i think that is more for an age range of 10 to 12 or whatever i do not know now a lot of people like to have such kind of gate kind of things it should be like a birthday present or something that you give someone in it has something nice yeah or maybe it should have a big light that can flash or something on it or maybe it should or like the can open it maybe it contains some future that you do not normally link to a remote control i think it is very important because we are going to make such a basic remote control we have to do something to make it special it is going to cost €25 i think the can opener is a a brilliant idea actually because television and beer is not a rare combination but and i think it is going to be very it has to be sturdy or something is maybe with bouncing pads so that you can just throw it on the floor or something it has to be something special and you really it has to do you know that people when they buy it they have to think about this one lasts for a long time we are really going to use and not some thing you throw away next week you know no that is true so maybe it is i think that is when we decide on these type of functions no basic functions 0 it is very important to find something like that so there is a very important task for you and maybe we can all think about it also for you maybe when you it is very nice when you can be and when you can be trendy and all as a friend use friendly as well you know big buttons flashy design yeah and maybe some kind of gadgets kind of thing yeah swappable front or whatever yeah or just different colors would be i do not know if people also want to spend more money on fronts for their yeah you never know why not yeah more money for us and i think we have to make it quite big quite big yes definitely definitely definitely it has to be a phone for hand also because it is expensive it wants to be something you know it does not have much fun it does not have much functions you will be yes you do not want to get it it should be visible nearly anywhere in the room as i as i said during my presentation 50% and should not look nice when you put it on a table i think you might want to put it standard yeah they did it stands up yeah you have to put it on it is so it is like a vase or something you put on a table a i do not know it is like it is like a statue or something is yeah yeah i see what it is like like you have 4 phones but you also can put it somewhere if you do that but i do not know if that is possible within the production costs of 12 and a half euros in the base we could like make a button and if you push it the remote control itself makes noise that is probably stupid but as i found here 50% was it 50% 1st time 50% often loses remote control yeah but when it gets lost how can you press the button to me no off the base the thing you put it in 0 that is kind of nice in in then also you do not even need batteries because you can make it a chargeable yeah you can make rechargeable one yeah why not yeah but yeah the not well i think it it might not whenever we do not yeah maybe you but we do not know much about production costs but when you you can imagine that when you spend €25 on a remote control and it is basically remote control and then the money there must be money to spend on that kind of rechargeable it should only cost 12 and a half euros of course yeah we make we do it in taiwan and so it is not going to be that yeah okay i think it is a great idea yeah some kind of bad i have never seen that before you make it a base you see it with the the mousers now yes yes definitely yes but is it handy well you can recharge it so you never have the battery problem that is one thing and you can always find remote controls remote controls nowadays can last 2 years 3 years with 2 batteries 0 maybe when it is too costly you could probably skip the recharge but you do need also else you would need a battery in the base unit as well you know makes well you could connect that to 220 volts of course yeah but then it is very easy to make it also recharge but i do not think that is going to cost much to make it also a recharge function in it on the other hand if you do not do it we can also make a nice bay i mean it looks trendy and still put the bleep function in it but i think the bay is definitely i think it is a good idea and make it you know we we well we it is not the most costly remote control we can save on on the functions we just put some simple button and make it big and sturdy nothing more and just makes sure there is some noise that it can make or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it lies sure why not it is also nice and if you put away i think it is a well yeah we have to with it is a easy market we have to do something special yeah and for €25 people want something your most special from your remote control and we can deliver that in regard to the functions because we are not going to with eye candy ear candy whatever yeah yeah definitely and then we make it you know nice looking shape and then also you got the stand up thing i think i think it is a good idea yeah definitely yeah well if it that is well we will see what is possible concerning the costs and if it is possible we will do that yeah we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing and the 1st thing we most like will think to to skip is then probably the recharge function or something if that is too expensive we will not do that but it would be nice it would be nice it is the idea i know the batteries last long nowadays and and what people just think about 0 i never have to buy any batteries again so because it is very annoying when your battery is empty and you know then when you have the batteries around in probably for 2 weeks or even those televisions break down before the battery pack is empty yes so easy functions well we will i think we will work that out stepping numbers on it or just give a beep when the batteries all down yeah why not but it is also annoying because as long as it stays it keeps working you are not very motivated to do something about it then use all the time and you do not want to ever have those problems and you will not have if you have the rechargeable and you do not have to use the unit you can also put it on the side if people do not like it why not you pay for it yeah but i mean if they pay for it because they think that is a great idea i am going to use it and when you know when time goes by and they think 0 i will never put them in a recharge i think less long enough and they put it outside and they can use it now and then and when they look i know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control within a couple of months they will be in the situation that they are seeking for their remote control they want to see something quick and they just push the button and i think it really bleep bleep 0 there it is i have never it is so simple but i have never seen it no maybe you should really do this okay now well how much time have you gone left these clocks are not synced okay so we have 10 minutes or something something like that yeah yeah but we are done i think we have decided on the functions well there is a closing sheet we have lunch break and then we have 30 minutes of individual work 0 okay i will make sure i had some problems with the digitizing the 1st minutes the next minutes will not be a problem but i will try to make sure the 1st one will be in a folder 2 but maybe it will not work but you will see i think these are more important than the 1st one so you make an a part of folder for the minutes 05 minutes because i i did the 1st minutes i did were a bit scratch you know then i did a 2nd one with a nicer lay which i could use for the other ones as well but i think i forgot to do put done under the 1st one and when you go write a 2nd it is not working when you try to write a 2nd paper or something yeah when you had to override it or so i do not know because it was not on my pen should we by the way draw on our nice whiteboard a little idea of the shape yeah i do not know has anyone got a little bit detailed ideas about the shape i do not maybe like this pen a bit bigger i guess a little bit bigger yeah but the shape is nice it is something different just to feel nice in your hand i have to say i have this can opening remote control in my head most of that or i think some maybe we should no that will be too costing we should also that would also be an idea but i do not think you i do not know if it exists already you should like make a lessee or something design it okay yeah that would also be nice but then you then you can then you know 12 and a half euros yeah but then you do not have yeah but it is not something that is in the production cause someone it is a one it is a one time you know it is a single cost yeah but then you can now i do not think i think it would be more expensive because i have bought the lessee more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive yeah that is true it would be a nice idea though i do not know i think it has to be has to have round forms or something like something like that or something something like that is very ergonomic and then a base unit underneath it is also round put it in there a wire on it wire on it maybe yeah i do not know some some lights a big but well the flashlight at the volume and side at side or something like that program should be there i guess because your hands will be in the smaller part some of the extra functions over here yeah and the numbers on top yeah i guess and and lights how we maybe a ring of no no you have to recharge function maybe on the side maybe around around yeah side of it just a light or something maybe lights also around the volume and the +minus program buttons yeah but i also meant the blinking light you know the ones that also blink when you try to locate your remote okay yeah yeah probably at the side you now look at the front yeah yeah exactly when you see it from the side then it would look just not like that like that yeah and then there is a strip of the lights or something okay yeah something like that yeah well i think it is nice for one thing maybe put something on top of it or you know like that looks funny i do not know or some bumping i think that will be too big that no big then bumper or something we will have to think about it i think we are we are done yeah yes we are it is lunch time okay then how long we could we leasing i do not know half an hour i thought our next individual round was half an hour yeah this was what i do not know about the lunch break well i am going to i am going to be i am going to be i am going to" ]

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[ "almost there is one more thing i have to get out of the i have to make sure that this attachment will open i keep forgetting whether i have done this ah ha okay we will open that when the time is right in the meantime closing things down okay let us see what this thing does does it come up together or disappear one of them or what ah we came up together we are good okay are we ready to start okay it is now quarter of 4 this is a f another 40 minute one so it will end at 425 okay right our agenda is as before for me to open the meeting for us to go over the previous minutes then for the 2 of you to present your prototype and for you to g sarah present the evaluation criteria we then have a finance aspect which is a spreadsheet an excel spreadsheet and i know what you are all thinking of 0 my because we are only given a 40 minute time period to get it all in including the production evaluation so we are going to make a very fast track okay and as you can see that is what we do next on this thing so the 1st thing i have to do is close this so that i can get to where is it red i need to open mine not the agenda agenda 3 no that th i want the minutes from the previous minutes that should be there minutes yeah okay from meeting 3 is it alright with you if i do not switch it to show just use it as is cause this way i can more easily flip it okay obviously all of us were here for the last meeting we reviewed the previous minutes before that each of you made your presentations we discussed the various possibilities based on what was presented in those presentations the market trend of fruit and veg spongy fancy and elegant more than technologically innovative and that more than easy we decided chip on print would be used we would use plastic with a rubber casing i think was the consensus powered by kinetic energy there was no decision made on the curvatures or double curvature or straight perhaps the prototype will give us an inkling of that looking like a scroll but it is really a push button technology excuse my spelling that was actually in use that is behind the scenes is push button which we according to kate have a very good grasp on doing that in production we decided that separate fashionable covers covering your fruit and veg might be a separate product that could be suggested to management and as suggested yellow with black buttons with the company logo a slogan and image might be a good idea based on the requirements that have been provided to us we did have a few production issues and coordination of the various bits and we had some conflict of ideas and cost constraints and we ran out of time we had to follow that up and prepare for the last one and we closed as it ran out of time is that a fair presentation of what happened yes yep okay back to this meeting we are down to the prototype presentation ta da alright over to you right well ooh 2 yeah well you see each made one we did not have enough yellow dough ah this is the one that i made huh it is curved easy to hold hand held nice and small with big easy buttons this is like a scroll but they are push buttons and they enter takes you into the different menus of course we need someone who is experienced with the television i mean this is the infrared thing that is going to zap at the television i am not quite sure how to make that but i am sure it will work this is on off switch cause i think we do need that and i think it gives it a nice balance and it is going to have the logo imprinted on it in there kay okay as for what it is actually made of well the function of these buttons is up down left and right in the different menus okay position i presume that just means right right on it easy to see the main feature of it is just a simple design simple lack of buttons all over the place right form curved kind of smooth hand held makes it feel nice to hold material i think kate is going to tackle that quite a bit but i think we have 2 different options because we did make a another one which wa is in the shape of banana it is just if you can imagine this as yellow with black buttons like just like this but in the shape of a banana which is also nice and easy to hold and feels good and has a similar sort of scroll push button technology just a slightly different design also with on off switch and infrared i had envisioned it in hard smooth plastic so like well i dunno what is it like i guess like an existing remote control but molded and smooth whereas otherwise we would thought like with this one or mix and match just we were going to see what you thought the a more spongy rubber cover with spongy buttons so we have the 2 options we can follow either the smooth hard plastic or the spongy rubber depending on cost restraints and what we well what conclusion we reach when we discuss it material yeah that is what i have to say about material can i scroll down on there and see what else well color i think i definitely have a preference towards bright yellow with black buttons because that is the company colors but if anybody has got any other suggestions i am quite willing to consider them as well so it just depends what you think about these ideas and if i am yeah maybe kate you better say what you think about them well i do not have very much to add the the case oops that is the on off button just come off our prototype the the case can be either spongy rubber or hard plastic we are not absolutely sure about a combination of the 2 but it can be either of those we have the technology to do that and as for the the actual components steph just said this is a quite a cheap device to manufacture we have simple rubber push buttons which provide all the functionality we need the the diode that actually does the infrared is at the end it is the stalk of the banana or it is just the thing at the end of this version so that is for material color well steph is the expert on color we we do not have any particular restrictions on that yeah i think that is all we have got to say really i thin as for as for the fruit or organic theme i guess this one is obviously fruit shaped this one has n banana yeah a banana this one has no obvious connections to fruit but because it is round and molded it kinda makes you think sort of organic touchy feely kiddie it is more like yeah you would expect it to be like a child is sorta toy remote control instead of a real one which i quite like that sort of image cause it is very big and chunky and child friendly and would you care to examine the prototypes see how they feel in the hand hold them you see you know curvature is it to your liking 0 i see the on off is in the back yes that is so that your index finger automatically goes straight to it if you do not want to tire out your thumbs after all and then you can use your thumb and it was partly we thought the design looked better yeah but it could be moved if if marketing feel it is important to have the on off button in a different place i could see this thing unless it is reinforced having a problem with the breaking 0 right you know yeah well you see that is why hard plastic would be quite a good thing for it because then it would just be rigid i like the fact that on both of them the keys play such a prominent role it is really kind of a yeah we really like we really like that design i mean it looks just like a logo that arrangement of the keys like a c like a compass point you know just up down left and right and we think we could make that quite a good feature and it is like the the ipod scroll wheel but better yeah but it is also like texting you do not yeah yeah yeah i mean it that is what it makes me think of mobile phones i was try i was thinking moving your thumb like this what does that remind me of yeah and it is a very simple design there is not a lot to wrong the components are cheap to make it is texting it is also in terms of being lost it is it is quite it looks quite different you know i i d i have several 4 remotes and they all look the same until you get up close and you have to you know this is really identifiable yeah i mean the thing is we do need to develop our technology of i mean actually how to program the menus and what sort of you know text box is going to appear at the bottom of the screen but we do definitely think that it is a viable option okay the next item is evaluation no okay if that is if you are finished yeah we are finished shall i take your power 0 sorry 0 try again okay this is going to be a heavily interactive evaluation and the method here is to evaluate the new remote control in terms of the user requirements and the hot trends introduced by the marketing department so this means we are going to go over the priorities that were raised by the consumers a as well as incorporate all of our insight into this evaluation exercise so i am going to go and use the whiteboard and i have made a list of criteria to look at and so i am going to i am going to leave this up as the last thing but for the evaluation it is going to be one is true and 7 is false going over these different criteria so one true 7 false and i am going to now use the the board okay so fancy technologically innovative easy to use trendy buttons excess buttons good buttons ugly sellable and other and in fact i hope that you all introduce some additional terms because these are things that have been brought up some of them seem rather close like they overlap yeah what about price is that going to go on there as well yeah price price of materials we will put price up at the top not that we actually know anything about it but we can we can pretend well we will soon unfortunately okay so come on did you say no okay so wha how do we feel in terms of is this fancy it depends what what you mean by fancy really cause when i think of fancy i think of it has got lots of extra sort of fripperies and you know like baroque curliness and which i would call these quite minimalist yes a plain simple clean design simple and plain but i mean i do see what it is heavily reliant on appearance instead of pure functionality so in that respect it is quite fancy i yeah so in that respect i think we will go with that respect i think just maybe we need a different word other than fancy i would say maybe esthetic yeah well we have got s trendy further down but elegant elegant elegant elegant i do not know if i would call them elegant yeah no these are not the exact terms that the like stylish or esthetic yeah stylish yeah elegant we are gon let us use elegant although the the the people the word on the street is is fancy yeah n that did you just break the pen yeah the is fancy so let us let us take it to the next level well d we will just call it fancy then well okay so in terms of elegant fancy we will call it e f do we do we think that perhaps and maybe we should say the yellow should we go with the yellow in terms of i think that is a really superior they are both yeah i think we n we need to they are both yellow with black buttons it is just that we did not have any more dough to represent that yeah but if you can just imagine banana shape with these bits as black yeah so what we re really need to decide is whether we want the actual banana shape or just a a purely blob or some sort of abstraction in between the 2 that is not that is more curved yeah like a banana but that is not actually recognizable as a banana you know with the grooves and the stalk and stuff so as a banana i think that many of us are abstract enough to look at the yellow one and say we will call it the banana yeah and of the 2 i really like i m i like the banana but i i do like the chunk the chunk so that is maybe not something we have to decide just right now is it no but i mean in terms we have to evaluate one of them just somewhere a long the scale of in between these 2 unless do you guys want to evaluate both i think between the 2 somewhere between the 2 is true yeah i would it is more true than false about a 2 okay so we say true technologically innovative i d i do not think that is what we are aiming at with this concept yeah i think we are using simple components that are going to be robust but not particularly innovative so we will say we will say false easy to use very yes one is that inappropriate yeah okay 0 pardon me trendy trendy s and i say specifically spongy fruity 0 yes well maybe only a 2 or a 3 then cause it is no we still have not decided about specific sponginess or specific we have the worry about how robust it will be if it is it is curved as a banana but spongy i think yeah okay yeah i do not really think that is going to work but okay so 2 yeah excess buttons are there excess buttons no no no that is false so that is false good well designed buttons intuitive buttons better more intuitive buttons yes true ugly no no no people do not respond well to ugly sellable quirky you know something people like 0 yeah yeah i think they are different are not they well it is quite it is quite quirky i think i like it yeah i do too it could be quite a good brand like 0 yeah a good little object and i was i was thinking of other things in terms of could we say it is cost saving with the 0 we also need tho think about the energy is it the kinetic energy yeah with the energy if it is it is going to be environmentally friendly with the kinetic energy yeah it is going to be kinetic yeah yeah we will c we will say it is a cost saving enviro so yes yeah but we have not completely developed that side of it yet so we are not completely sure about that but yeah well you are still in the play doh stage yeah anything else including price do you have any idea about price or other features well i think our instinct is that it should be pretty cheap to develop we have not got a lot of expensive components in there okay yes the instinct says true so true one or should i go to 2 or 3 i would put it at one i think but i dunno what do you okay i would say maybe a 2 cause we still we need to get somebody in who is good with the programming for the menus yeah true it might be the yeah yeah true and things i mean it is not just like i mean it is not like ev you know on a normal chunky remote every button res i mean means something different yeah that is not a cheap thing to get true whereas this one has only got the 4 buttons and they all they mean everything depending on what menu you are in yeah that is a good point we need somebody to develop that other anything else you guys can thing of and i am going to actually change a couple of these so then i am going to instead of ugly i am going to say it is attractive and then make that true so that cause i have to do an average yeah right and then excess buttons just putting no excess buttons exactly wow we are doing really well yeah be you know so it does not ruin the polarity as for see if we are technologically innovative i would say it is quite innovative because there are not really many that have this menu idea instead of all the extra buttons i mean i know we are not doing anything involving internet or speech recognition but but we are at the upper end of the push button market or l c d yeah well if you g let me know if if any of these if you if you all can think of any other thing to change here if you th if you think i should change the innovative or add other features if not i will average those i think we are good okay okay so we are a little over halfway through the meeting and the next big thing is the finance okay okay how about if i pass this back to you and i will figure out the average here yep right thank you for everyone is help with that right and as you can see it says the same thing it had not lost itself thank goodness and we are going to raise what is called a sp a spreadsheet that they provided to me and it says fill in the number of components you plan to use in your device hand dynamo battery kinetic solar cells okay well just kinetic then yeah yeah what is a hand dynamo that was the crank wind up crank on the side it is the wind up 0 shoot forget that kinetic is and how many of those will we need per we only need one just one okay electronic simple chip on print and we will need one of those yeah i think we can do it all with simple just checking that yeah simple cause we have just got push buttons so we can do it all with simple which is the ch should be the cheapest okay and we only need one of those yep okay the case will be uncurved and flat or a single curve or a double curve it looks like it single curve cause of th the chunkiness it is that is one yeah that that one is single curve is not it do we have what does double curved mean i do not understand and that is i i think you it means you reverse the curve that is the the one that goes like this 0 no we do not need that yeah no yeah i do i do not think we need that for either of them you can do a banana in single curve yeah right single curved i would say no single curve okay case material supplements plastic wood rubber titanium special color i i just want to say plastic we had the special color and did we say plastic yeah can we do some what ifs cause it may i mean i i still quite like the idea of combining plastic and rubber myself 123456 yeah but it depends on the cost i guess okay we will come back if we can to the rubber being added at the moment that is where we are interface button push button interface it is just button yeah that is what we are using is not it yes yep yeah do we need to say how many buttons or whoops do not want that not yet or d is it just one no it just says push button interface button supplements they will be in a special color of black kay and the buttons wha what is the buttons made of rubber they will be rubber yep so we need one of them and are they any special form well yeah like the compass one actually does tha does special material mean that plastic is not a special material cause i think they can be plastic cause the rate we are going we can put the rubber on top yeah they could be plastic we do not have to have rubber buttons because we have not got a double curved case 0 yeah they could be plastic okay let us put that rubber in then of the case material supplement it is just one is not it we only need one of them and the total cost has been calculated as £9 20 out of the 125 we were allowed what we are in yeah we are in that is us more profit great okay i am going to save this into our desktop project documents okay as our project document bit do you do you need to double click on that to open it yeah there we are that is the only excel document that will be in there so it is there for all of us okay so are they under 1250 yes go to the project evaluation next slide yes right the project process satisfaction with for example the room for creativity yeah leadership sure yeah teamwork yes means of having whiteboard the digital pens and all that kind of good things and play doh huh yeah yeah yeah the play doh was best i thought yeah well cause i mean it is so hard to describe what you mean just with words and pointing at photographs and saying well we quite want this but imagine it rounder so much better just to go and you know this is it this is what we want yep okay so we went over all those things and we are satisfied with all the above yep did we find any new ideas i think with the marketing element of fruit shaped i i mean i that really opened my eyes yeah spongy i i only speak for myself though and i would never heard of the kinetic energy before so yeah good work as a design team because we yeah i think we are a good team actually i am not sure all the wires are really great though so we actually worked well as a group i thought so right are the costs within the budget 0 yes yes yes yes is the project evaluated yes yes yes i can give you a number it is the average evaluation score is one88 0 hang on we have not heard huh so it means w you know i can i can spell it out there were 6 true or ones 4 pardon me 2 s almost true or close to true so that was 4 points and then one false 7 points so 17 divided by 9 we are between one and 2 i would say that is ex excellent in terms of ho how much we adhere to the ideals of the market place yeah and the the only false one is because we have chosen to maintain old technology exactly to keep a simple old technology which if it works perfectly well i see no point in improving on if it works so yeah yeah absolutely and it is kept us within budget yes yeah so we do count as i think excellent or one alright and we have therefore we have to do the final questionnaire and do the meeting summary i have a final report to present and then we are done okay we done good and we are finished in time bring on the ice sculptures nice and then we get the product launch party so we might have to wait yeah product launch party yeah that is what i said ice sculptures absolutely i one thing i want to do is 0 i think the meeting is done is that the end of the meeting i believe that is the end of our meeting yeah thank you melissa one thing i wa i want to do is save everything in the right files because i do not think everything is saved the right files final meeting market" ]

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[ "almost there is one more thing i have to get out of the i have to make sure that this attachment will open aha okay we will open that one the time is right in the meantime closing things down okay let us see let us see what this thing does does it come up together or disappear one of them or what ah we came up together we are good okay are we ready to start okay it is now quarter of 4 this is another 40 minute one so it will end at 425 okay okay right our agenda is as before for me to open the meeting for us to go over the previous minute then for the 2 of you to present your prototype and for you to sarah present the evaluation criteria we then have a finance aspect which is a spreadsheet an excel spreadsheet and i know what you are all thinking of 0 my because we are only given a 40 minute time period to get it all in including the production evaluation so we are going to make a very fast track okay and as you can see that is what we do next on this thing so the 1st thing i have to do is close this so that i can get to where is it right i need to open mine not the agenda agenda 3 i want the minutes from the previous minutes that should be the minutes yeah okay from meeting 3 is it right with you if i do not switch it to show just use it as is this way i can more easily flip it okay okay obviously all of us were here for the last meeting we reviewed the previous minutes before that each of you made your presentations we discussed the various possibilities based on what was presented in those presentations the market trend of fruit and veg spongy fancy and elegant more than technologically innovative and that more than easy we decided chip on print would be used we would use plastic with a rubber casing i think was the consensus powered by kinetic energy there was no decision made on a curvature or double curvature or straight perhaps the prototype will give us an inkling of that looking like a scroll but it is really a push button technology excuse my spelling that was actually in use that is behind the scenes as push button which we according to kate have a very good grasp on doing that in production we decided that separate fashionable covers covering your fruit and veg might be a separate product that could be suggested to management and as suggested yellow with black buttons with a company logo our slogan and image might be a good idea based on the requirements that have been provided to us we did have a few production issues and coordination of the various bits and we had some conflict of ideas and cost constraints and we ran out of time time we had to follow that up and prepare for the last one and i be closed as it ran out of time is that a fair presentation of what happened okay back to this meeting we are down to the prototype presentation all right over to you well ooh too yeah well you each made one we did not have enough yellow dough this is one that i made it says curved easy to hold handheld nice and small with big easy buttons this is like a scroll but they are push buttons and they enter takes you into the different menus because we need someone who is experienced with the television satellite i mean this is the infrared thing that is going to zap at the television i am not quite sure how to make that but i am sure it will work this is on of switch because i think we do need that and i think it gives it a nice balance and it is going to have the logo imprinted on it as for what it is actually made of well the function of these buttons is up down left and right in the different menu in the different menus position i presume that just means right on it easy to see the main feature of it is just the simple design simple lack of buttons all over the place right form curved kind of smooth hand held makes it feel nice to hold a material material i think kate is going to tackle that quite a bit but i think we have 2 different options because we did make another one which is in the shape of a banana it is just if you can imagine this as yellow with black buttons like just like this but in the shape of a banana which is also nice and easy to hold and feels good and has a similar sort of scroll push button technology just a slight different design design also with on off switch and infrared i had envisioned it in hard smooth plastic so like a i guess like an existing remote control but molded and smooth whereas whereas we thought like with this one or mix and match just we were going to see what you thought that i a more spongy rubber cover with spongy buttons so we have the 2 options we can follow either the smooth hard plastic or the spongy rubber depending on cost of strengths and what we well what conclusion we reach when we discuss it material yeah that is what i have to say about material can we scroll down on that and see what else well color i think i definitely have a preference towards bright yellow with black black buttons because that is the company colors but if anybody has got any other suggestions i am quite willing to consider them as well so it just depends what you think about these ideas and in fact yeah maybe kate you better say what you think about them well i do not have very much to add the the case oops the on off button just come off our 1st act the the case can be either spongy rubber or hard plastic we are not absolutely sure about a combination of the 2 but it can be either of those we have the technology to do that as for the actual components as steph just said this is quite a cheap device to manufacture we have simple rubber push buttons which provide all the functionality we need the diode that actually does the infrared is at the end it is the stalk of the banana or it is just the end of this version so that is 4 material color well steph is the expert on color we do not have any particular restrictions on that yep i think that is what we have got to see ready as for the fruit or organic theme like this one is obviously fruit shaped this one has no obvious connections to fruit but because it is round and molded it kind of makes you think sort of organic touchy feely kiddie it is more like yeah you would expect it to be like a child is sort of toy remote control instead of a real one which i quite like that so image it is very big and chunky and child friendly would you care to examine the prototypes how they feel in the land hold them you see you know curvature is it to your liking yep 0 i see the on offs in the back yes that is so that your index finger automatically goes straight to it if you do not want to tirate your thumbs after our and it was partly we thought the design looked better yeah but it could be moved if marketing feel it is if marketing field it is important to have the on off button in a different place i could see this thing unless it is reinforced having a problem with the breaker yeah well see that is why hard plastic would be quite a good thing for it because it would just be rigid i like the fact that on both of them the cues are such a prominent yeah we really like that design i mean it looks just like a logo that arrangement of the keys like a compass point you know just up down left and right and we think we could make that quite a good feature it is like the ipod scroll wheel it is also like texting but better yeah yeah i mean that is what it makes me think of mobile phones i was thinking moving your thumb like this what does that remind me of and it is a very simple design there is not a lot to go wrong the components are cheap to make it is also in terms of being lost it looks quite different you know i have several foreign remotes and they all look the same until you have got to close and you have to you know this is really identifiable i mean the thing is we do need to develop our technology of i mean actually how to program the menus and what sort of you know text box is going to appear at the bottom of the screen but we do definitely think that it is a viable option okay the next item is evaluation okay if that is if you finished should i take the power 0 sorry 0 try again okay this is going to be a heavily interactive evaluation and the method here is to evaluate here is to evaluate is to evaluate the new remote control in terms of the user requirements and the hot trends introduced by the marketing department so this means we are going to go over the priorities that were raised by the consumers as well as incorporate all of our insight into this evaluation exercise so i am going to go and use the whiteboard and i have made a list of criteria to look at and so i am going to leave this up as the last thing but for the evaluation it is going to be one is true and 7 is false going over these different criteria so one true 7 false and i am going to now use the the board so fancy technologically innovative easy to use trendy easy to use trendy buttons excess buttons good buttons ugly ugly sellable and other and in fact i hope that you all introduce some additional terms because these are things that have been brought up some of them seem rather close yeah what about price is that going to go on there as well price is a bit serious we will put price up not like we actually know anything about it but we can pretend well we will soon unfortunately okay come on did you say so no okay so how do we feel in terms of is this fancy it depends what you mean by fancy really because when i think of fancy i think if it has got lots of extra sort of fripperies and you know like baroque curliness which i call these quite minimalist yes a plain simple clean simple and plain but i mean i do see what it is heavily reliant on appearance instead of pure functionality so in that respect it is quite fancy i think we will go with that respect and maybe we need a different word other than fancy i would say maybe we have got elegant further down but elegant elegant elegant i do not know if i would call them elegant yeah now these are not the exact terms that the about it is stylish or esthetic stylish yeah elegant let us use elegant although the people the word on the street is fancy do you just break the pen yeah the is fancy so let us take it to the next level we will just call it fancy then well okay so in terms of elegant fancy we will call it ef do we think that perhaps and maybe we should say the yellow should we go with the yellow in terms of i think that is a really superior yeah i think we need to they are both yellow with black buttons it is just so we did not have any more dough to represent it on that but if you can just imagine banana shape with these bits as black so what we really need to decide is whether we want the actual banana shape or just a purely blob or some sort of abstraction in between the 2 that is not that is more curved like a banana but that is not actually recognizable as a banana you know with the grooves of the stock and stuff i think that many of us are abstract enough to look at the yellow one and say we will call it the banana yeah and of the 2 i really like the banana but i do like the chunk so that is maybe not something we have to decide just right now is it no but i mean in terms we have to evaluate one of them unless you guys want to evaluate both i think between the 2 somewhere between the 2 is true it is more true than false about a 2 so we will say it true technologically innovative i do not think that is what we are aiming at with this concept i think we are using simple components that are going to be robust but not particularly innovative easy to use very yes one is that an appropriate yeah okay 0 pardon me trendy trendy and i say specifically spongy fruity well maybe only a 2 or a 3 then because we still have not decided about specific sponginess or specific we have to worry about how robust it will be if it is as curved as a banana but spongy yeah i do not really think that is going to work so 2 yeah are there excess buttons no no that is false it is false good well designed buttons intuitive buttons better more intuitive buttons yes ugly no people do not respond well to ugly cellable quirky you know something people yeah i think different do not like it is quite quirky i do not like it yeah i do too it could be quite a good brand like 0 yeah a good little object and i was thinking of other things in terms of could we say it is cost saving with the 0 you also need to think about the energy is it the kinetic energy it is going to be environmentally friendly with the kinetic yeah we will say it is cost saving enviro so yes yeah but we have not completely developed that side of it yet so we are not completely sure about that you are still in the play doh stage anything else including price do you have any idea about price or other features i think our instinct is that it should be pretty cheap to develop we have not got a lot of expensive components the instinct says true so true one or should i go to 2 or 3 i would put it at one i think i would say maybe 2 because we still we need to get somebody in who is good with the programming for the menus yeah i mean it is not a cheap thing to get it is not like you know on a normal junkie remote every button i mean means something different whereas this one has only got the 4 buttons and they all they mean everything depending on what menu you are in yeah that is a good point we need somebody to develop that other anything else you guys can think of i am going to actually change a couple of these instead of ugly i am going to say it is attractive and then make that true so that because i have to do it an average and then excess buttons just put no excess buttons exactly well we are doing really well yeah you know so it does not ruin the polarity technologically innovative i would say it is quite innovative because there are not really many that have this menu instead of all the extra buttons i mean i know we are not doing anything involving internet or speech recognition but we are the upper end of the push button market well let me know if any of these if you all can think of any other thing to change here if you think i should change the initiative or add other features if not i will average those i think we are good okay okay we are a little over halfway through the meeting and the next big thing is the finance okay okay how about if i pass this back to you yep and i will figure out the average average right thank you for everyone is help with that right and as you can see it says the same thing it had not lost itself thank goodness and we are going to raise what is called a spreadsheet that they provided to me and it says fill in the number of components you plan to use in your device hand dynamo battery kinetic solar cells well just connect it then yeah what is a hand dynamo that was the crank wind up crank on the side 0 kinetic is and how many of those will we need per just we only need one okay electronic simple chip on print we need one of those yeah i think we can do it all with simple just checking that yep simple because we have just got push buttons so we can do it all with simple which is the strip of the cheapest okay we only need one of those yep okay the case will be uncurbed and flat or a single curve or a double curve it looks like it is one a single curve because of the chunkiness yeah that one is single curve is not it what does double curves mean i do not understand that is the one that goes like this 0 we do not need that yeah i do not think we need that for either of them single curve okay case material supplements plastic wood rubber titanium special color we have the special color and did we say plastic yeah can we do some what ifs because it may i mean i still quite like the idea of combining plastic and rubber myself but it depends on the cost i guess okay we will come back if we can do the rubber being added at the moment that is where we are interface button push button interface that is what we are using is not it yeah do we need to say how many buttons or whoops do not want that is it just one not yet no it just says push button interface button supplements they will be in a special color of black and the buttons what is the buttons made of rubber there will be rubber so we need one of them are they any special form well yeah like the compass one actually does that special material mean that plastic is not a special material because i think they can be plastic because the rate we are going we can put the rubber on top they could be plastic buttons because we have not got a double curved case yeah they could be plastic okay let us put that rubber in then of the case material supplement it is just one is not it i only need one of them and the total cost has been calculated as £9 20 out of the 12 and a half we were allowed what we are in yeah we are in that is us we will profit great okay i am going to save this into our desktop project documents okay as our project document bit you need to double click on that to open it yeah there we are that is the only excel document that will be in there so it is there for all of us okay so are they under 1250 yes go to the project evaluation next slide right the project process satisfaction satisfaction with for example the room for creativity yeah leadership yeah teamwork means of having white barred the digital pens and all that kind of good things and play doh yeah yeah the play doh was best i thought yeah well because i mean it is so hard to describe what you mean just with words and pointing at photographs and saying well we quite want this but imagine it round are so much better just to go and you know this is it this is what we want okay so we went over all those things and we are satisfied with all the above yep new ideas i think with the marketing element of root shaped i mean i that really opened my eyes yeah spongy i always speak for myself and i would never heard of the kinetic energy before yeah good working as a design team yeah i think we were i am not sure all the wires i need a great rate so we actually worked well as a group i thought so right are the costs within the budget yes is the project evaluated yes i can give you a number huh the average evaluation score is one8 score is one88 so it means you know i can spell it out there were 6 true or ones 4 pardon me 2 almost true or close to true so that was 4 points and then one fault 7 points so 17 divided by 9 where between one and 2 i would say that is excellent in terms of how much we adhere to the ideals of the marketplace and the only false one is because we have chosen to keep a simple old technology which if it works perfectly well i see no point in improving it on if it works absolutely and it is kept us within budget yes so we do count as i think excellent all one all right and therefore we have to do a final question and do the meeting summary i have a final report to present and then we are done okay we are done and we are finished in time nice so we might have to wait product launch party yeah product launch party yeah ice sculptures absolutely one thing i want to do is i think the meeting is done i believe that is the end of our meeting thank you melissa one thing i want to do is save everything in the right files because i do not think everything is saved" ]

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then you are hiding a you have attended before yes yeah we met in also in i c s l p right yeah i see see the 1st time so yeah yeah yeah in yeah so how how did you like the conference anyway i t i when in compared to to th the others the previous one i think it is quite interesting but only annoying thing is this multiple sessions and most sometimes you can not able to go to oral talk this oral presentations most of the time i c but yeah why why you cannot because because like posters is you can spend a lot of time posters looking at m many posters than sitting 20 minutes for one oral presentation yeah so in t 20 minutes you can see at least 23 posters and you can directly talk to people so exactly yeah meet even i found like very few people in some oral presentations right i think most of the people are like their own posters only okay so you attended mostly posters i guess so how many presentation you you but yeah yeah how presentations are hardly handful of like f 5 or more yeah i liked the invited speaker about the implant in the ear yeah 0 yeah ah ok it is quite good no he was from australia right the guy yeah i think so yeah yeah he is very famous i think for that right yeah he is the the inventor of that implant and for for the ear i think ah okay yeah even some panel discussions on that human speech recognition reducing gap between the a s r and and h s r it was a bit interesting lot of arguments and yeah b differently it is mainly the differences different approaches of engineers versus linguists or phoneticians and yeah s yeah i realized it were that there were panel discussions only at the place where i could see the the t t you know there were some boards saying that there is some panel discussion ah okay but i i could not get no one knew where is it what it is where it happens and why and so forth yeah even the panel discussions w i think one is really held in small room so people were really crowded it was com yeah finally i found but well this is not this speech is not restricted only to papers and these things you know so how did you like lisbon then no quite good yeah it is a bit hot still but the bea the beach nearby is quite nice yeah yeah yeah you should try it i do not know did you go around yeah w we went to the costa caparica there with the bus before or after yeah okay we we were we were supposed to take take the direct one but we did not so you went to a beach yeah cause i to a like atlantic sea coast or yeah yeah i stayed i stayed 2 days before so i went you ju you just take the train maybe that is the same i am not sure huh train north it is not so far from lisbon half an hour half an hour train yeah yeah north yeah west or north i do not know northwest okay so you stayed at the at the same coast not not you did not go to the island cross the river where where is the bridge and and then okay so that was a different place no no no not very far no no ah ok we went to like far south to lagos and yeah that wa ha yeah it is different yeah yeah yeah with hamed hemant and these people yeah that was really good those beaches are really good yeah the more south to th the hole through the water yeah even dolphin in the yeah but the weather was really hot the south it is more than 35 yeah but i think lisbon those days are pretty good like seem to me quite not cold but still okay like reasonable lisbon was good little bit bit yeah even local transport it is it is 0 yeah but yeah most of the time the buses are really crowded yeah i was happy to be back in suisse after few few days it is better to be here i think huh yeah yeah i was yeah because it is really big city no yeah it is big city many people and no like i was very surprised that even the trams did have a a c there yeah yeah i could not see it at at all those new only right not the old one but yeah yeah r right but can you imagine something like in yeah ah it is not necessary to have it maybe it is a c well some time yes but not so many days or it it was much better if if if you would have to spend a hour and a half that hemant and the others spent while going with a ca with a bus to to the conference center from from the the hotel that we were yeah 0 yeah yeah that is true conference there was a direct bus and it took them hour and a half then yeah yeah no re yeah but that is that is not good direct bus is not good like well y so you can go to the direct ce central place and then occas yeah yeah yeah it is we can take the tram and a train better to ta it is it is all conditioned yeah yeah that was the right choice but to take something which which was direct in quotes yeah the easiest way yeah da ah it was n not the f direct as anything else but what is the place the the central i mean where we change the bus to yeah in the yeah maybe you can check the booklet ah sorry i do not remember the name is it there no no no it is or s i am not sure yeah i it is supposed to be there it sounds sounds like yeah it is there like i used to find bus numbers from book only yeah 0 you have got the s yeah originally i brought it because i marked some papers but yeah let us go on this was just a onl only 01 which surprised me a bit it was speaker recognition i think but it does not really matter they were trying to model covariance of different components for g m m instead of using a diagonal of what 0 okay but then if you use a full it is too much yeah so they use some approach where they tie them automatically and after that well 0 okay pruning of covariance matrix it is like in it is more like tying it is still full but different components are tied different components of the matrix are tied but what what does it mean tied then huh equal like yeah but then you have to store the whole matrix and plus some extra information what is tied to what or b no no you have to store a minimum number a reduced number of parameters no i don right and they are tied in a linear way actually sorry not equal but it does not yeah but it is like all the semi tied covariance matrices or yeah yeah exactly that is it so they ju yeah i do not know about anything like this but so did they reduce it is in between the direct covariance this is full covariance yeah should try to reduce some parameters by tying interesting thing is that they applied it on speaker recognition and on the features before they had 3 different ways to decorrelate the features tying 0 and and this they showed it without this yeah with diagonal g m m or with this and with this with semi tied covariance matrices it was a less much less sensitive to which decorrelation procedure you choose ah okay if y so so they obtain better results with that finally or a a also better but of course it depends on the number of of parameters you put yeah but right in your tie in but if you compare no if you compare it with some baseline let us say you use just g m m with diagonal covariance matrices yeah yeah no i think they got good results with just using diagonals or definitely yeah yeah i i think i think it was even slightly better yeah a and no decorrelation before like yeah maybe i can find it maybe decorrelation again they do d c t or k l t or they do that yeah or l d a is there or but ooh the the main point is to to like make it faster the the the decoding or what l d a yeah l d a l d a or like make it possible to use a full covariance matrix yeah but but there must be the sense right because once you decorrelate the data then you do not need to have full i know yeah well that is possible why why it should be i impossible so no but still there is there is still ev that is why like people come yeah that is so that is that means that the decorrelation is not optimal right so so that is the reason yeah definitely it is not optimum so it is it is also like doing along along the diagonals all again so it is completely impossible to do it with full covariance matrix why it is really computationally really yeah so see suppose if 39 in te 39 to 39 for every yeah yeah so yeah computationally e expensive but yeah yeah it is yeah of course from the point of view of computation but otherwise it is there is no problem no there is a thing no there there is not with okay yeah ne no problem but if you see so many models and so many mixtures yeah yeah okay so so here you have to choose either many many things to store and huge computation right but yeah 30 you can see you c you can not really like even you can not the models itself is like 38 times more than that so right right so y if you have like 5 megabytes or 10 megabytes of models then yeah yeah yeah no depends yeah yeah but even i think it is really bit like impossible for the really big systems i guess like storing storing itself yeah it is this one so yeah yeah definitely it is i improved covariance modeling it is almost impossible for like l v c aside impossible to use it right yeah yeah yeah yeah it is really ti you have got dimension 39 times 39 yeah yeah for every you are so you are to store all this 30 yeah so yeah yeah so there are no results there it is impossible to use it and you cannot even train it right no no but in the proceedings you can find them more or less i think yeah yeah they are better yeah they tried p c a l d a m l l t so from 0 so that is interesting huh i i it is not really anything new but the they just applied that to speaker i d speak yeah different task and yeah yeah yeah so i found one paper interesting i think you know vivek most of you know this is vivek is paper on like variable scale feature extraction yeah normally we use to fix it window for feature extraction like 25 milliseconds or 30 seconds here he is proposing variable scale because the fixed scale is non optimal for it is non optimum because like for vowels you can have m much longer much longer and for plosives and these things you really shorter like even around less than 20 milliseconds also shorter yeah okay so he is ki proposing like this variable scale window f kind of online for each segment why it has to be online yeah you can do like you can measure and you can do but he is basically doing some likelihood ratio testing okay so if so the main idea is like suppose you have one segment so he is trying to find the stationality cautious stationality of that segment right like extended as as more as much as possible to keep the okay yeah as much as possible like but yeah definitely you have to assume some l like minimum and maximum sizes of your own of course of course so he is using minimum of minimum is i think twe i do not 125 milliseconds i think wh what is the minimum and maximum maximum is 60 milliseconds so it is not so i is not it smaller the minimum no so the minimum 25 milliseconds whoo no no i think a minimum is twen 20 milliseconds is i yeah yeah it is right 20 milliseconds 125 milliseconds is kind of sift this is maybe because of f f t u or these things from 0 yeah 20 millis minimum is no no de because of it is no not as small as as it should have been but mayb maybe because of other processing after i do not know i just no you can use mol yeah no mainly because of m f c c computation because yeah it becomes really noisy like if you s yeah no yeah well noisy yes 10 milliseconds means you have only 80 samples for and then you have refused 24 filters the filters will not get any samples so right sure yeah okay but it is not an intrinsic limitation it is just because of ri yeah yeah because of computation so even i i think even saint he can find less than 20 millisecond windows also especially for plosives okay and the shifting is still the same or not shifting yeah he is using 125 millise yeah shifting is almost same overlap you mean 0 yeah yeah overlap so but the problem like w how do you mean to say like no how many frames per per 2nd you do have is it again like 100 frames or it is less or even if you keep variable length of the frames right he yeah you can still keep the same frame rate yeah he is keeping same number of frames he is using 125 yeah 125 millisecond because i understand this would have sense for i do not know speech coding where you want to preserve or you want to encode it into less frames right but why do why to do it for speech recognition yeah it means that number of frames yeah no wha why to keep variabl variability in the length of the frames w you want to wh why not to keep the same length what is the actually the problem is again you see the shift is the nyquist frequency if you compared modulation spectrum yeah so again if you change this shift the mod the nyquist the modulation spectrum nyquist frequency changes for each window right so if you want to do again another high level feature extraction again it will be problem so so but he is like he is he discuss i mean describing this because even this itself is a problem keeping the f fix to frame size because you are analyzing your this segment many times right right right so this shift will suppose if you find one segment of 60 milliseconds and then you are doing this 10 millisecond so every almost i think yeah yeah 5 frames y you are analyzing the previ this already segment so right right right ri right so again this may blur some frequency transitions or yeah but the problem is again this bottleneck is here like you can not change your nyquist frequency modulation and right yes i have 2 questions 1st is essentially how he is doing in that no well once he gets the frame like from here to here then where he advances to to start with c computation of the next frame yeah yeah yeah so it is so so the main idea is like 1st to take the some some window some sam some samples then he assume somewhere some variable and point there is a change yeah okay so it is not n it is not symmetric necessarily then then it is not symmetric i you can cho y it is basically too like again do for all the samples in that gyro kay so then what he does is like he proposed like some like ratio test based on maximum likelihood okay so th tha that is really simple like so what he does is like so he he computes the residual he 1st he does the l p analysis and then he computes the residual okay and he takes the residual energy of f full signal like gy gy gyro samples fu ok okay so do what do you mean full the full signal so maybe i can some some sub window or the the whole 10 seconds of speech or what the wh the whole window no that is that like he assumes yeah 60 milliseconds or something he start with so so then he can yeah yeah it has to be also some somehow okay something longer window than the one we are speaking about okay yeah then he can split that window at point n say point n so then you will have gyro 2 no you can segment it maybe w okay so you have a window and then you split it to s 2 parts and you shift the the point where you split it or okay yeah so yes he is supposed this is your p window so then you can move your like this you can move your point so that then this will be like one and this will be 2nd okay splitting point okay okay but again he assumes some initial sizes for these windows okay so basically we have 2 fixed points yeah he do not start with the yeah he do not s yeah start with gyro sample or something he is starting with so the l left window is starts at 20 milliseconds right yeah yeah okay so so you already hear like s suppose this is full signal you are already here so right window is should end at 122 so you are to search basically in this range okay so okay so once you have say one hour of speech you start at the beginning and 1st you try with 20 milliseconds yeah yeah then you shift to 25 and so forth until you yeah and then if you the maximum is 60 millisecond frame for him okay and and you find the point where where what so if you do not find anything where where do you stop actually 60 milliseconds if you d yeah i know but you start at 20 and go to 60 but where which point do you choose no the point is depending on the likelihood ratio so he got so he supposed this so this is suppose se segment one and this is segment 2 okay but which which likelihood ratio so he compute this error here okay so and then he p gives some kind of in terms of this residual letter so this residual letter is for full gyro samples then there would be suppose this point is say n so gyro to n and then like so this the b basically the main he questions or here so he is maximizing that or yeah he is for finding the likelihood for full frame and then it is basically likelihood ratio test so he is comparing the likelihood of the full segment divided by the likelihood of the the sub segments yeah but likelihood that is something and something w what is likelihood likelihood of the like this likelihood is this error estimate of the residual okay so residual power he can compare t so he after do after doing l p he can get a l residual and then he can compare the power of the residual yeah but it has to yeah so that he is proving that power is again maximum likelihood estimate of your l p parameters okay so it is basic so that which interesting it is you do not really need to do a lot of computation yeah you just need to take the error of n residual of this full window and then residual of energy of the sub windows and then you can just divide them and then the only thing is like again he has to use some threshold to decide so right yeah yeah but still that that is only the p problem if he got he is founding something more around 3 or 35 e s t optimum threshold but the and another advantage is like it is not really changing speech recognition whatever so not really changing because of the threshold so okay you do not really need to f like fiddle with threshold a lot so yeah but why do the main value which are comparing to the the the overall value or overall likelihood or whatever you call it why he is using the whole signal for this yeah yeah yeah because so if the whole signal was steady somehow and it it would be able to be modeled by l p model yeah well then the residue will be very low so he is supposing that the whole signal will not be able to to be captured by l p model and that the residue would be high enough or ho wh why he is comparing the 0 to to the overall yeah yeah this is yeah i understand this is this is the actually basically some theoretical proof like maybe if you want threshold you can see and he is coding from leven like you know i i do not see the point of dividing over the the whole stuff no this is from again yeah statistical signal processing what they say here is like suppose if you analyze 2 distinct or this l p analysis in the same stationary analysis window the coding will always be greater than the ones resulting from this analysis in 2 windows 2 stationary windows y well sounds sounds reasonable so the he is basically based on this theorem so so what he is saying is like if you do this error i see i see i see well it will be always greater than the th these errors of 2 stationary windows okay that is reasonable because actually if it if if the whole signal would be able to be modeled by l by l p c then anyway he has to design some some framing yeah yeah so even if it is very stationary by d by dividing over this whole stuff he is able to find some reasonable boundaries yeah yeah probably m ma makes sense yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this maybe i think yeah this he is getting some improvement but okay yeah ho yeah and how did you cope with what you mentioned some time before that if it is a very long session for each 125 frame you will actually get the same segment now yeah yeah yeah yeah so how d so he is just he is normalizing the energy coefficient because energy is really affected a lot ah okay so he is li that has to be power not energy definitely no energy like because c gyro component like so he is using m f c c so he is normalizing the c gyro component for this t yeah yeah but it has to be normalized by the length then power instead of energy power is again like yeah yeah yeah yeah it is time like yeah energy over length is power it is okay like samples or you can see root mean square energy or something yeah yeah duh duh duh duh duh okay so but this so 2 things i still do not understand thi this is supposed to be only for m f c c s and these easy features ah one question i i wanted to ask before yeah yeah does does he preserve within the feature vector the framing he is using finally because does he somehow put the information about was the size about the frame to the feature vector itself or he is throwing away this framing no i do not think so no no n no you vo what you mean like the window lent there is no information something like this because the recogniser could be good for the recogniser to know what was the chosen framing by this extraction the 60 mil no it i it does not really but i think it is he he does not use i guess because then like you just you take these features and you train model so it really matters wh what frame shift you are using for models like because how many he needs to use same freq okay so so it n it might be bad for then for the back end it might screw up the the t speech rate or normaliser no no wait no he will get like every 10 milliseconds he get one fra one features like he it does not really depend because suppose if you take your t case like you your window i maybe longer so does not really matter like how what size window you use or not but i tell at every 10 milliseconds whether you give some features or not really matters no like so so it doe you can use 30 milliseconds or 50 millisecond window huh 0 probably i did not get it too so the framing is actually equi distant same yeah yeah yeah just the windows are wider 0 ah i see yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah right right right yeah yeah framing it is like it is really yeah because it would be crazy yeah a little bit yeah if you have if you are change framing it is really i think even it is really problem no yeah yeah yeah it might be difficult 0 i see so so it is it is like this like if you try even models also i guess if you change it is not only with this model it is in spectra and shifts in deltas because probably who knows maybe it is possible to use it somehow but then there is information about temporal information is somehow included in such yeah yeah but it is really complicated i think if you use yeah that becomes really yeah i cannot imagine the transformation to get the modulation spectrum out of such a stuff yeah yeah but this is kind of interesting there is also some like not paper but i saw the algorithm i have been using even that called temporal decomposition i do not know if you kn you know that like yeah yeah yeah the temporal dec i do not know who propose it i just had it from from beambot for like a beambot do you know the guy he is french somewhere now in teleconference like i do not know where he is working but th we were using it for speech coding yeah yeah so we just had a speech and you had decompose a speech into such segments temporal segments which were stationary inside yeah and then you can more or less quantise those segments somehow and use it for encoding let us say or and it worked prett yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 1st this is proposed by like even we read one paper in our reading group you remember that i have implemented it is quite working well like yeah they were using like s v d stuff singular value decomposition for that and it worked pretty well like i was surprised like yeah yeah honza is also worked for his be yeah yeah yeah exactly he was using that i yeah yeah so why do not you still use it ne he was re he was quoting 0 well it is it has been used for speech coding if it works so well nob nobody use it for recognition stuff i think i never heard that yeah but you do the speech coding so do you still use it but that no i do not of course why yeah that is good question maybe yeah he was quoting that paper also like v he was telling this this is kind of optimisation criteria what this temporal decomposition is doing like you are trying to segment your s signal into like discreet windows and then so but he was telling like this relationship between optimation and and then cautious stationality is not really obvious right right so stationality is again different no stationality is this is optimation we want to like see some signal yeah that is true few segments which can really represent whole so maybe that is why like this may not be really that is true it is interesting this yeah yeah this one yeah he is getting some improvement n this is a yeah that is important well there should be after each conference there should be something like 10 people should sit down read the papers and then rank them all the papers you know a all the all the all the similar papers within one session say sp focus to this topic okay and say this is the best this works slightly worse than this one and throw away what is not that good and and th the 1st 33 papers which are the best shou should be implemented and used from from that time onwards i think people would not like it many people would not like it no no no they again like forget the all the m f c c s because it is too old and then start building the story on the new stuff and not cause it is right but again getting that 10 papers is really difficult task it takes maybe years and again it definitely like who will who will choose the 10 papers like and if we asked yeah yeah it is but i know i know th this is just a theory yeah yeah yeah sure exactly but yeah those things are practically kind of really but i think this kind of things what you showed i mean what you said is really good because like if people start implementing like some people propose something in feature level some propose in something in model level but these 2 are really independent no yeah yes and i want to yeah when really work combine these 2 or right and everybody is like using different training and testing data and then you do not know if like yeah especially features like suppose if somebody come with different good features again people saint again use m f c c s yeah they show it works for timit but then you try to use some different databases you see it does not work it looks like no no it it is not really sure also make suppose people you can not really force people to use same features yeah sure so so they wo they will be happy with their own features and their own scripts so their bit rate like tend to change features every time and it is yeah yeah you can sorry what it is a little bit what nist is trying to do no yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah so nist evaluations yeah yeah bu because to me it seems that everyone is still comparing to p l p s or m f c c s but even nist you can and there are so many new systems and everything is new but it baseline is still t 20 years old and yeah but nobody you know it is those new systems are still not general like you know yeah like those p l p and m f c c s because everybody knows that di it worked somehow right for any kind of data yeah yeah yeah that is why they are comparing to to that so once somebody will come with something new okay he he is showing it works for some datas but still yeah yeah yeah then so at lea especially l v c s r in really big systems then people no okay so 1st it is difficult to to show that it works for all all the datas right because it is really and yeah yeah because yeah it is it is again you do not know so it should be every papers then should contain all the results from nist evaluation or some standard task then 0 no then there will be only one conference in 3 years or something for speech because otherwise yeah but then we all optimize on the same task that is the other yeah yeah so you cannot get anything new out of that after some time but again like okay so it could be you you would have to publish the results on this standard task and then you could say well i also tried on this and this yeah but then you run out of time that is so you can publish only once in 3 years or no i ideally you are correct but yeah you know but then then only it makes some progress this yeah but even people are doing suppose in interspeech there was some challenge for speech synthesis so so what is is like it challenge was really good like sup they give the database so you have to work on that database what technique t use is it is your choice like but that database and then the results analysis is they decide so yeah that is your choice even speech recognition also some tests are coming like for phone segmentation or something people give some database and then you have to dis you can use whatever you want and you have to produce even for features also like features also i think yeah but can for for example can you use from some data from from the l t world yeah yeah the they they designed the data such a way that it is it is really like really real data for training say yeah but they give you also training data or only the testing data no no i just for no no for s nay speech synthesis it is like they give you some data 0 i since this is only okay so whether like you use for training or l you can you can do like data driven or like model based approach or whatever like at the end then they will ask you to synthesize some sentence and you have to synthesize them and then you have to send them okay so so they give you only the training or development data only so yeah your training data onl no development training no yeah training yeah ho how how do they how do they evaluate yeah evaluate it is again subject to s because for speech synthes yeah i just do not know so they ask peop they ask people to sit and listen basically yeah listen and yeah d yeah even they it is mostly they use native speakers only because they can really judge well so i think so yeah probably yeah okay but they d they do not have any measure like you have an original speech you transcribe it and yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so even they propose some kind of word error rate so you have the original speech so i the synthesized speech is there any words which are not matching so even speech synthesis they are also introduced this w e r term so okay but this was really quite successful like in this conference interspeech so a lot of people participated in i think even they are continuing this for next year and ri i it is just t t s right text to speech text to speech right but i heard like even for i cassp next year there is some com like computation by martin krug sheffield and on this feature extraction stuff and so at least if you make task simple focus then it may be good to compare these features and but if you s use some large vocabulary system it takes t 6 months to build and at the end you do not know whether your features are really so right right so maybe that is for like people are always using p l p s or m f c c s it is it is such a b like lot of time involved so you can not really check many thi so maybe well but then well no if somebody like nist will have one recogniser and you just plug a different feature but it is dangerous yeah yeah yeah yeah but at least in idiap we have this numbers recogniser is almost kind of free so everybody is using so that is what we are doing no right almost almost like we are putting different features and i think yeah yeah numbers recogniser is not really different from like a f at least in idiap we have almost same yeah yeah al almost but maybe you are using 29 that is for you it is different but one more yeah we are a couple of people at idiap and there are already 2 s 2 different setups but at least i 27 hem hemant is using difference are they for 0 g i s hemant and we are all using 27 so for 0 g i numbers yeah stories and numbers or different setups like some people use this setup and some people that yeah seems yeah i think we use di distinct train and test set even se the different sets of phonemes no but the problem is you are using only digits so maybe that is how you different well i do not use only digits my m l p s are trained on everything and test set is digits yeah no but test set is digits your m main task is digits k yeah huh that is like but 0 g i numbers are there like now we are little bit convulsed like we are using 27 phones and before it was like 2425 but it is better like once you have like whatever the back end so you just then you can put features like whether they are gammas or like spectral entropies or m f c c s or whatever yeah would be would be nice for aurora maybe to have that then at least you can see yeah yeah yeah for for what but aurora is aur aurora aurora task ah yeah 0 yeah so but aurora is it really big database or i mean how much time it takes to set up system and then no no but yeah yeah no it is it is fast no i dunno i i have been working with that and but the problem is aurora again these models are word based models no yeah right yeah yeah yeah so again here we use triphones and so but definitely i d if we want to show noise setting it is you have to show on aurora also like aurora is real time yeah for noise conditions yeah it is pretty good well th those f recognisers are are made there or just you just use them that is it yeah you do not have to play with it she even is f it was forbidden in the time right so you have recogniser just use it yeah yeah you cannot play with that do not play with it you just play with the features yeah yeah yeah because of the voices would not be comparable then but yeah yeah right exactly yeah at least i mean wha those studies i think people already did for even in i c i c s l p 2002 there is special session on features for aurora so yeah yeah ri right so yeah yeah i yeah yeah yeah yeah i remember with david pearce he was this icsi features and this s s 0 g i features and all this yeah yeah exactly so there are already people but again like at the end like for l v c s r people are using p l p s or m f c c s or nothing of these fancy feature because who is the one who makes who actually uses what we d try to do here these are companies or because it is not scientists scientists just start from p l p and then design the new features new back end or new anything but they start from the old stuff but who is the one who is using these results which we publish and try to make yeah new but maybe my have a f for publishing another paper or something we are using those results more or less yeah but once you once you finish your p h d you go and it is over but not everybody go yeah not everybody many people stay so and those who do not they stay and publish another papers and they but they they do not turn into a life no but maybe guillaume you can tell no into life like you worked i with these siemens people or no siemens or these daimler chrystler yeah daimler yeah what kind of features do you use like do you use any you do not yeah you do not i do not know you know they are extremely secretive ah ok okay huh i had a hard time just to get the signals okay so i asked other questions but it is quite tough yeah ah ok yeah even s yeah yeah i did not discuss anything with sunil also like i dunno technical discussions anything yeah because these kind of things are a bit yeah yeah they have to yeah yeah yeah i i won but do you have any like feeling that whether they go for all these new features or they usually use only yes i wonder which level they are using out of what is there they have yeah they have to do some test in their mercedes some speech recognition test but it seems now they at least daimler maybe yeah they mostly work on dialog management but not much on features and recognition but even they do not believe like with one paper or 2 i guess because at least for them no p l p s or m f c c s no yeah sure they know that okay these things work on every task so okay we can pu put hands on these things yeah but exactly yeah yeah i d i they grab i doubt they are trying right now huh i doubt that at daimler they are trying right now but maybe other companies yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe like yeah f because sunil is working in nokia he is a expert in kind of features or yeah it l i think okay so we can hope that nokia will be using tandem tandem p l p s but yeah we are not sure even sunil will not tell us no yeah i cannot well many people place with tandem right like m i t or who is using that some not m i t but somebody no no n no this cohen you mean like i dunno hynek told told us that somebody is using that very actively like okay it it works for them and and they are close to like industry like you know there is it is a research group of i know i do not think it is icsi 0 ok huh so it is not related to icsi huh somebody else or i do not know somebody new s but i think some t somebody like a t and a t and t or what but this was signal company no like this voice signal company hy hynek always mentions cohen is company with what they are using you n yeah cohen 0 qu yeah jorda jordan cohen you me i do not know he is even if qualcomm voice no no voice signal no no no they make recognition for these samsung phones and yeah now y 0 yeah yeah for right right no i do not know if it is yeah but it was they have like really s many recognisers i guess yeah i think so maybe definitely they may be using p l p s or you know yeah definitely maybe they are using p l p s and but i th i believe that there is still some stuff up to yeah yeah rasta or rasta or something you mean for rasta or whatever else like all those decorrelations and transformations yeah because i think it is there but more or less it is again based on m f c c s or something like that yeah but again because they grab whatever is certain to work and they they use it or maybe traps they do not use anything which is to too new which is not that safe yeah too new is really definitely because like want to at least see i at least 4 no more or less i think yeah 5 years of results of some new features and some consistent results or it is like a it is like a nasa you know they use 48486 machines to to to to put 2 n space ships because it is it is known to work perfectly well or pentium ah space or ah okay right not any p 4 or whatever because it is safe it has been working for 20 years and then only it safe to put well not 20 but it is always yeah yeah of course yeah yeah yeah that is true it is true but that is different situation because right yeah they need that it does not create that much yeah of course if something happened with the machine and i do not kn the alloc system it does not matter right but yeah d yeah another issue is like again the computational issues no somebody will fix it and change it but yeah if they want to make on mobile they do not want really use some fancy really expensive computationally expensive features or all these sure hynek also told about this cohen ce cell phone which he was showing to to work l with the l v c s r yeah yeah it yeah he he was saying that there is something really really simple the decoder i mean not the features but he was mentioning something to the decoder this is just there is almo it is just phone recognition or something like even even not viterbi just even something simpler yeah something like no d t w or something i do not know i am not really sure but he mention that yeah yeah but most of the time mobiles they use d d t w kind of thing no like all these so voice calling yeah voice calling and these thing because that is easy like i do not know do you think so yeah 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah that is true because they do not really need to put lot of memory and these things otherwise if they want to build a real yeah sure yeah but there you could send an s m s i think or something like that you could dictate text so yeah yeah yeah where where that was impressive even on the phone on a phone yeah yeah yeah n some new one or the phone that cohen yeah voice signals from that c cohen is yeah cohen yeah yeah yeah but it is that is a similar one to what herve has for example some he was showing it live on m l m i c last m l m i conference 0 huh yeah and but which phone it is you can look at the video and play it it is samsung some some new really new phone like f samsung something it i am not sure where some but some which you can buy right yes commercial phone it is yeah but the software is always available or like it and you can train it like only your speech or it is general it is quite interesting yeah what do you mean always no the software is again on top of mobile or like it comes with your mobile i do not know that is well they they just bought a mobile and based on the 0 s it is using they they they developed the software no the thing is usually these kind of these kind of facilities are like no not normal so so they may charge more or like yeah yeah no this is the development phone this is not the commercial stuff with the software yeah ah ok yeah definitely they may charge for more money f again some extra bill for this using this recognition engine or something okay huh they just use the device or you you can just buy that application right yeah yeah i do not know like it is like you you have got some mobile phone by by what and then you can buy from another company some such application wh you can dictate your s m s or whatever yeah i do not know if it is already the case right now s i do not know if it is done now but like yeah but maybe like if it can not really recognize you it will be really annoying it is better but have you ever used like dictation system for windows those there were many of them yeah i have used once like this dragon that was kind of good like yeah yeah drag the mouse there and i heard that it worked very very well because even in when i was working in like in edinburgh like one guy he use i he got some problem with hands and then he was always using this n dictation even he used to write lot of c +plus code with the dictation like alright it is really good like so but you ought to really train and then you are to kind of yeah right newer speech okay you had to get used to the system not the system to you i get used to the system yeah yeah it is really like you ought to get used to the system okay okay like you how to say all the callings and this thing system how t but it is really funny like how to say okay he is able to use it for like like years i mean he used to write a lot of code and you know it is really great it is nice by the way you should be the one to ask is there anything if i am just a p private person and i want for free any software which is able to read me a book in english for example that festival am i able to put the text to the system and to in real time to listen to the output yeah yeah you can listen festival festival is able to to to read just a normal plain text in reasonable comprehensible english or so that i can understand it read the like yeah i think yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah fes yeah i think i think you can do the festival you can just call like this there are different kind of again non native speaker how you call the festival so you can just give the full there is an too okay so then you will get the all the caller and other things if if you want to like read full text then you can say like the full text yeah like those syntax and then it will speak till it finishes the text and it is in real time on a reasonable machine yeah it is real it is yeah it is based on the diphones diphones right diphone yeah yeah that is why it is real time like otherwise it is bit difficult and it is okay you can easily understand so it is intelligible so yeah yeah okay yeah i think it is very good yeah okay festival is good like now it comes at all the linux boxes also so in so already in this cause the the diphone that i was tried to install it and there there are the voices like cat voice and these voices this is not the one no the there are so many voices like again because i do not know which which what i what is running where if it is diphone or which approach this is which voice you want to use no most of the the festival what you get on linux machines is diphone based only yes so it is just wha samples of the diphones and it choo chooses so they supply few voices yeah yeah yeah just concatenation of the no it is already there if you just put li festival so you have got it installed in your machine here or yeah on my on my laptop it comes wi because it is comes with direct linux software and you know it is open source or here festival right okay festival is open 0 yeah you can you can easily yes i d i have tried a and have you have you tried it it is and but there are some built in like easy voices which you can y there is a default one completely synthetic so you can which you cannot understand at all and th then there is a diphone synthesis i think it is the diphone synthesis from the some like something like cat w voice and somethi this is so so yeah cat voice like there are like they they have few but it is this does not sound very nice and we were playing at the summer school with them actually with the authors huh and they were playing us some other other approaches and it it sounded like a human it was great but yeah new voices like yeah yeah that is the difference that tha in views this unit selection it is not diphones you have really large inventory of the speech yeah so this is not this is not for free or something those voices they are not yet released yeah no no it is free they will be releasing soon i guess but it it is not here so far so maybe you can just check no i it is it is here on the web then it will not come with your linux software so you have to again download from their web page okay i am i am fine with this but i can make it run on my machine yeah you can download now yeah yeah yeah it the voices are called multisyn multisyn sl that is some voice okay okay so you can download from the voice from the web festival and and the engine is is in the festival itself yeah yeah yeah yeah so it is just a voice to to okay yeah yeah yeah so voice is like the database of the parallel speaker who speaks that this text so okay it was really large database so it the voi the quality will be better because you can find similar yeah so it is still still real time it is more or less but not exactly like it is 2 times or one5 times or something ah okay but but not much yeah but you can prune like how much you want because yeah yeah okay so this is again like that is kind of my p h d work how in this system like how you choose the units and how you concatenate so there are again cost functions and viterbi yeah it is very difficult and so you can you can always optimize you can put some thresholds and pruning and then you can make it real time yeah yeah so then again compromise between the quality and yeah alright yeah yeah but still it is good like now th you can just check multisyn and then voices okay it is right i mean yeah yeah it is really good and you just have chosen some text any text you just put in and yeah i just s use the douglas adams that that book you know the how it is called yeah yeah yeah yeah but only sometimes like it can not really call this yeah okay just general english textbook i i cho i tried and it can read how does it read from which from which how to state it is it possible to read p d f s or just standard text no the t t x t standard text whatever t x t right files yeah yeah ascii file is yeah ascii file basically huh you have to but you can take a p d f and convert p d f to ascii ascii and but only the problem is again acronyms and sometimes it expands sometimes it may not expand because it is not in their dictionary so yeah yeah well let us yeah it was a line with hashes and it was hash hash hash hash hash hash hash hash hash hash 0 really it is not in the dictionary like if we again it is problem like so but those things you can add like if you are really familiar with festival so you can add always these i am not then i do not want to go too much into details just a little bit yeah but at least these things okay like it will not really make mistakes so often like sometimes well i can prepare s sorry anyway who is the author of festival alan black and paul taylor they started r festival in 96 or something these are the edinburgh people no edinburgh c s t r yeah edinburgh and i thought it that is the guy from c s l u from portland who was there during f f 0 this ma this johann waters or like no they d what they did portland 0 g i they did l p c based synthesis yeah but there was the festival is alrea already like it is 11st you start with th no no but that that was the guy who is on a wheelchair now he cannot m move even he is very in like indic how to say that like he cannot have he just can speak only through some festival system or something like that ah okay he was the auth no yeah h he was working i think in w 0 g i even from he is very famous but i thought that he was the author no i do not know no no actually the b it was developed for him like he was just 1st tester i think of the system ah okay okay something like that yeah maybe because like it is not t text to speech it is just the synthesis which means which is more or less the same but i dunno ah ok yeah 1st they started in c s t r with alan black and paul taylor then then it expand to many places yeah so it is somebody and simon king is playing with that right the t guy because if somebody is fil no simon king is he is one of the others but rob clark is the man that you met yeah voice already okay okay that i know yeah it is i think that is enough yeah n so anything more about lisbon or interspeech no other papers it is just one paper and and festival i it is enough yeah from linux it is very im interesting okay okay n yeah" ]

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[ "from now on you will be quiet i think jitanda is going to talk about it no i am here to take care that you are speaking i never know how to do this it is always the other way around that how you put it on yeah okay i think the most of the bad words are at the beginning at this precise time yeah so you start i think right so we all attended interspeech no yeah so we are going to talk about the papers from interspeech so how many sessions you attended you attended that is not a good question i think all of them of course all of them of course 0 you can not attend multiple sessions at the same time 0 yeah that is true that is why you are okay bad answer right so any general impression or feedback so for any of you it is a 1st conference or or maybe for most at all i mean in the sense that you say interspeech is really big conference for speech so did it even before well january that is why i am here at the other because i did not know yeah so then you i think you have attended before yeah we met in also in icslp right the 1st time so yeah so how did you like the conference anyway when you compare to to the others the preview one yeah i think it is quite interesting but only annoying thing is these multiple sessions and sometimes you can not able to go to oral talk this warral presentations most of the time why why you can not because like posters is you can spend a lot of time posters looking at many posters than sitting 20 minutes for one oral presentation so in 20 minutes you can see at least 23 posters and you can directly talk 2 people even i found like very few people in some world presentations i think most of the people are like on posters okay so you attended mostly posters i guess but how many presentations are hardly handful of like 5 or i like the invited speaker about the implant in the year 0 yeah it is quite good he was from australia right the guy i think so yeah yeah yeah he is very famous i think for that right he is the inventor of that implantant for the year i think even some panel discussions on that human speech recognition reducing gap between esr and h s r it was a bit interesting a lot of arguments definitely it is mainly the differences different approaches of engineers versus language versus linguists or phonetians and yeah i realized that there were panel discussions only at the place where i could see you know there were some boards saying that there is some panel discussion i could not get no one knew where is it what it is when it happens and why and so forth yeah even said the panel discussions i think one is really held in small rooms so people were really growled there wow this is not this speech is not restricted on the 2 papers and these things you know so how did you like this upon that not quite good there it is a bit hot still yeah the beach nearby is quite nice yeah if you try it i do not know did you go around before or after yeah we went to do custac aparica there okay by the past we were supposed to take the direct one but we did not so you went to a beach yeah like atlantic sea coast yeah i stayed 2 days before so i went you just take the train maybe that is the same i am not sure the train north i see so far from a 3 from a 3 north yeah west or north i do not know okay at the same coast not you did not go to the island cross the river no no no no okay so it is different we went to like far south to lagos yeah and yeah with hamat 0 him mountain that was really good those beaches are really good yeah more south to yeah even though the water but weather was really hot the south it is more than 35 yeah but i think lesbun those days were pretty good lichmann was good seemed to me quite not cold but still okay like reasonable yeah even local transport 0 yeah it is fun like but yeah most of the time the buses are really crowded yeah i was happy to be back in swiss after a few few days it is a better to be here i think yeah because it is really big city yeah it is big city many people i was very surprised that even the trams did have ac there yeah yeah i could not see it those new only right yeah but right but can you imagine something like in czech ki yeah it is not necessary to have it maybe well sometimes yes but not so many days if you would have to spend an hour and a half that the hemant and the others spent while going with a car with a bar to the conference conference center from from the hotel that we were there was a direct bus and it took them no but that is that is not good that was not good like so you can go to the that is a central place and then we go to take the tram and a train okay yeah yeah it is all the right choice to take something which which was direct yeah the easiest way not definitely the direct as anything else what is that place caisho cash cache the central i mean where we changed the bus i do not remember the name is he there no it is there caesot yeah cajos center i am not sure yeah maybe you can check the book it is there i used to find bus number from vokola originally i brought it because i marked some papers but go on yeah only one which surprised me a bit it was a speaker recognition i think but it does not really matter they were trying to model covariance of different components of a gmm instead of using a diagonal but then if you use a full it is too much so they use some approach where they tie them automatically and after that pruning of covariance much well it is like tying it is still full but different components are tied different components of the matrix are tied what does it mean tied then equal like yeah but then you have to store the whole matrix and plus some extra information what is tied to what no no you have to store a minimum number a reduced number of parameters and they are tied in a linear way actually sorry not equal but it is like all the semi tight covariance matches yeah exactly so they reduce it is in between the direct covariance versus full covariance so you try to reduce some parameters by tying the interesting thing is that they applied it on speaker recognition and on the features before they had 3 different way to decorrelate the features and they showed it without this with diagonal with diagonal gmm or with this and with this with semi tide covariance matrices it was a less much less sensitive to which decorrelation procedure you choose so so they obtain better results with that finally also better but of course it depends on the number of parameters you put right in your day but if you compare no if you compare it with some baseline let us say you use just gmm with that i think they got good results in just using diagonals or differently i think it was even slightly better yeah and no decoration for like maybe decolation again they do dct or klt or they do that well lda is the domain point is to make it faster the decoding or what make it possible to use full covariance matrix yeah but there must be the sense right because once you decorrelated the data then you do not need to have no but still there is still even that is where people will come so that means that the decoration is not optimal right yeah definitely it is not optimal so it is also like doing along the diagonal so again so it is completely impossible to do it with full covariance matrix why it is really competitionally really yeah yeah competition so see suppose if 39 to 39 for every of course yeah so from the point of view of competition but otherwise it is otherwise i think there is no problem no there is not no problem but if you see so many models and so many mixers so here you have to choose either many things to store and huge computation you can see you can not really like even you can not the models itself is like 38 times more than than that so if you have like 5 megabytes or 10 megabets of more depends but even i think it is really like impossible for the really big systems yeah definitely improved coveyons model almost impossible for like lvcsr it is impossible to use it right you have got dimension 39 times 39 yeah for every year so you have to store all this so there are no it is impossible to use it and you cannot even train it no but in the proceedings you can find them they are better they tried pc ldm and llt 0 it is not really anything new but they just applied that to speaker id yeah different tasks yeah so i found one paper interesting paper interesting i think you know vivek most of you this is vivek is paper on variable scale feature extraction normally we used to fix it window for feature extraction like 25 milliseconds or 30 seconds here he is proposing variable scale the fixer scale is non optimal for it is not optimal because like for vowels you can have much longer much longer and for plosives and things you really shorter like even around less than 20 milliseconds also okay so he is proposing like this variable scale window kind of online for each segment why it used to be online yeah you can do like you can measure and you can do but he is basically doing some likelihood ratio testing so if so the main idea is like suppose you have a one segment so he is trying to find the stationality cost of the stationality of that segment right like extend it as more as much as possible as much as possible like okay but yeah definitely you have to assume some the minimum and maximum sizes of your own so he is using what is the name minimum is i think to around 125 milliseconds i think maximum is 60 milliseconds so is not it smaller the minimum no so the minimum 25 milliseconds i think minimum is 12 20 milliseconds 20 milliseconds 125 milliseconds is kind of shift 20 mil is minimum is i do not know because of not as small as it should have been but no you can use small other processing after no mainly because of mfcc computation because yeah it becomes really noisy like if you is no easy yes yeah 10 milliseconds means you have 80 samples for and then right you have if you use 24 filters the filters will not get any samples but it is not an intrinsic limitation it is just because of yeah because of competition so even i think even he can find less than 20 milliseconds windows also especially for and the shifting is still the same or not shifting yeah he is using yeah 125 milisier shifting is almost same so but the problem like how do you mean like no how many frames per per 2nd you do you have is it again like 100 frames or it is less or even if you keep variable length of the frames right you can still keep the same frame rate yeah he is keeping the same number of frames he is using 12500000 i understand this would have sense for i do not know speech coding where you want to preserve or you want to incobey into less frames right yeah why to do it for speech recognition it means that number of frames yeah why to keep a variable variability in the length of the frames why not to keep the same length actually the problem is again you see the sifties the nyquist frequency if you compute modulation spectrum yeah so again if you change this shift the mod the modulation spectrum nyquist frequency changes for each window so if you want to do again another high level feature extraction again it will be a problem so but he is like he is like he is he discussed i mean describing this because even this itself is a problem keeping the fixed frame size because you are analyzing your this segment many times right so this shift will suppose if you find one segment of 60 milliseconds and then you are doing this 10 milliseconds so every almost i think you have 5 frames you are analyzing the previous this already segments so again this may blur some frequency transitions or yeah but the problem is again this border link is here like you can not change your nykris frequency modulation and yes i have 2 questions 1st is essentially how he is doing it that yeah well once he gets the frame like from here to here then where he advances to to start with computation over the next frame so so the main idea is like 1st to take the some some window some samples then he assumed somewhere some variable end point there is a change okay so then it is not symmetric this is not symmetry you can see i it is basically how to like again do for all the samples in that 0 to young so then what he does is like he proposed like some likelihood ratio test based on maximum likelihood so that is really simple like so what does is like so he he he compute the residual he 1st he does the lp analysis and then he compares the residual and he takes the residual energy of full signal like these 0 to end samples okay so the full so maybe some some sub window or the whole the whole 10 seconds of speech or what no that is like he assumes yeah 60 milliseconds or something he started with so okay so then he can longer window that yeah yeah yeah then he can split that window at and say and so then you will have 0 to no you can segment okay so you have a window and then you split it to 2 parts and you shift the to where you split it or yes see so this is your window so then you can move your like this you can move your point okay so that then then this will be like one and this will be 2nd but again he assumes some initial sizes for these windows okay so basically we have 2 he do not start with yeah he do not start with 0 sample or something he is starting with so the left window starts at 20 milliseconds so you already hear like suppose this is full signal you are already here so right window is should end at 12 at 12 point so you have to search basically in this ring so once you have say one hour of speech you start at the beginning yeah and 1st you try with 20 milliseconds yeah then you shift to 25 and so forth yeah and then if you the maximum is 60 millisecond frame for him okay so if you do not find anything where where what where do you stop actually 60 milliseconds yeah i know but you started 20 and go to 60 but where which point do you choose no the point is depending on the likelihood ratio so he got so he suppose this so this is supposed segment one and this is segment 2 so he compute this error here so and then he gives some kind of in terms of this residual error so this ratio error is for full 0 to n samples then devoid by suppose this point is say n so 0 to n and then like that so this is basically the main equations over here so he is maximizing that yeah he is finding the likelihood for full frame and then it is basically likelihood ratio test so he is comparing the likelihood of the full segment divided by the likelihood of the sub segment likelihood that something and something what is the likelihood like the likelihood of the like this likelihood is this error estimator error estimate of the residual okay so residual power he can compute so after doing lp he can get a residual and then he can compute the power of the residual so that he is proving that power is again maximum like load estimate of your lp parameters so that way it is interesting it is you do not really need to do a lot of computation you just need to take the error of the residual of this full window and then schedule of energy of these sub windows and then you can just divide them and then the only thing is like again he has to use some threshold to decide that is only the if he got he is finding something more on 3 or 35 is the optimum threshold but the another advantage is like it is not really changing speech recognition order so not really changing because of the thresholds you do not really need to like fiddle with threshold a lot soon yeah but why the the main value which you are comparing to the overall value or overall likelihood or whatever you call it why he is using the whole signal for this because so if the whole signal was steady somehow and it it would be able to be modeled by lp model well then the residue will be very low so he is supposing that the whole signal will not be able to be captured by lp model and that the residue would be high enough or how yeah this is the actually basically some theoretical proof like maybe if you are interested you can see i think he is quoting from 11 i did not see the point of dividing over the whole stuff yeah statistical signal processing what they say here is like suppose if you analyze 2 distinct pith order this lp analysis in the same stationary analysis window the coding error will always be greater than the ones resulting from this analysis in 2 windows 2 stationary windows so he is basically based on this theorem so what he is saying is like if you are saying if you are saying if you do this error it will be always greater than the errors of 2 stationary windows okay that is reasonable because actually if the whole signal would be able to be modeled by lpc then anyway he has to design some framing so even if it is very stationary by dividing over this whole stuff he is able to find some reasonable boundary boundaries yeah probably makes sense some yeah yeah yeah yeah this may be i think yeah he is getting some improvement but how did he cope with what you mentioned some time before that if it is a very long stationary period for each 125 frame you will actually get the same segment now yeah yeah yeah so how so he is just he is normalizing the energy coefficient because energy is really affected a lot affected a lot okay so he is what is to be power not energy definitely you know energy like because he is c 0 component like he is using mfcc so yeah but he is normalizing the c 0 component by the lens yeah then power instead of energy power is energy over lens yeah it is time like you know it is okay like samples or you can see root mean square energy or something yeah yeah do do do do you do okay so but this so 2 things i still do not understand this is supposed to be only for mfcc is and these easy features one question i wanted to ask before does he preserve within the feature vector the framing he is using finally because does he somehow put the information about what is the size about the frame to the feature vector itself or is throwing away this framing no there is no no what you mean like the window length something i did because it does not really it could be good for the recognizance to know what was the chosen framing by this but the thing it is he does not use i guess because at the end like you just you take these features and you try and model so it really matters what frame shift you are using for models like because he needs to use the same frame it might be read for them for the brick and it might screwed up to no why no he will get like every 10 milliseconds every 10 milliseconds you get one feature like it does not really depend on because suppose if you take your case like your window maybe longer so it does not really matter like what size window use or not but at every 10 milliseconds whether you give some features or not really matters no like so see you can use 30 milliseconds or 50 millisecond window 0 probably i did not get it so the framing is still equidistant just the windows are right yeah yeah yeah framing it is really yeah crazy yeah if you change framing it is really it might be difficult i think even it is really problem no like if you try even models also i guess if you change it is not only with this modulation spectra and probably shifts in deltas because maybe it is possible to use it somehow but then there is information about temporary information is somehow included but it is really complicated i think if you use yeah that become really imagine the transformation to get the modulation spectrum out of such a stuff yeah but this is kind of there is also some like not paper but i saw the algorithm i have been using him that called temporal decomposition i do not know if you know if you know that is like atl is temporal deco i do not know who proposed it i just had it from beambot fredego bimbot do you know this guy he is french somewhere now in teleconference like i do not know where it is working but we were using it for a speech coding so we just had a speech and you had decomposed a speech into such segments temporal segments which were stationary inside and then you can more or less quantize those segments somehow and use it for encoding let us say yeah 1st this is proposed but it worked yeah even we read one paper in our rooting group you remember that i have implemented it is quite they were using like svd stuff single the composition for that and it worked pretty well like i was once a lot yeah yeah exactly yeah so why do not you still use it me he was he was quoting well it has been used for speech coding no nobody use it for recognition stuff i think i never heard it yeah but the speech coding so do you still use it no i do not of course why yeah this good question maybe yeah he was quoting that paper also he was telling this this is kind of optimization criteria what this temporal decomposition is doing like you are trying to segment your signal into like discrete windows and then right so but he was telling like this relationship between optimization and then quasi stationality is not really obvious so stationality is again different no stationities yeah that is true this is optimization we want to like see some segments a few segments which can really represent all so maybe that is where like this may not be really that is true yeah this one he is getting some improvement that is important well there should be after each conference there should be something like 10 people should sit down read the papers all the papers them you know all the all the similar papers within one session say focus to this topic and say this is the best this works slightly worse than this one and throw away what is not that good and and i think people would like it many people would like it should should be implemented and used from no no they again i am on the world like forget all the mfcs because it is too old and then starts building the story on the new stuff and but again getting that 10 papers is really difficult task it takes me years again definitely like who will choose the 10 papers i know i know exactly this is just a theory yeah but yeah those things are practically kind of really but i think these kind of things what you said is really good like if people start implementing like some people propose something in feature level some propose in something in model level but these 2 are really independent no one really will combine these 2 are and everybody is like using different training and testing data and then you do not know especially features like suppose if somebody come with different good features again people they show it works for timid but then you try to use some different databases you see it does not work no it is not really sure also suppose people you can not really force people to use same features so they will be happy with their own features and their own scripts so they are bit reluctant to change features every time so a little bit what nist is trying to do now yeah exactly so nist evaluations yeah because to me it seems to everyone is still comparing to plps or mfcs and there are so many new systems and everything is new yeah but nobody is still 20 years old those new systems are still not general like you know like those plp and lmfccs because everybody knows that it works somehow right for any kind of data that is why they are comparing to that so once somebody will come with something new okay he is showing it works for some data but so especially lvcsr and really big systems then people 1st it is difficult to show that it works for all the data is right because yeah but yeah it is again you do not know every paper then should contain all the results from this devolution or some standard task no then there will be only one conference in 3 years or something for speech yeah but then we all optimize on the same task ah yeah yeah so you cannot get anything new after some time but again it could be you would have to publish the results on this standard task and then you could say well i also tried on this and this yeah but then you run out of time that is why you can publish only once in 3 years no but then only it makes some progress no ideally you are correct but i think people are doing suppose in interspeech there was some challenge for speech synthesis so what is like challenge was really good like so they give the database so you have to work on that database what technique uses yeah it is your choice like but the database and then the results analysis is they decide so even speech recognition also some tests are coming like for phone segmentation or something people give some database and then you do this you can use whatever you want and you are to produce even for features or so like can you use from some features also from from the outer world yeah they they design the data such a way that it is it is really like a really real that yeah but they give you also training data no no 1st speech synthesis it is like they give you some data so whether like use for training or you can do like data driven or like model based approach or whatever like at the end then they will ask you to synthesize some sentence and you have to synthesize them and then you have to send them so they give you only the training or development data yeah training data no development training how do they evaluate i just do not know it is again subject to because for speech synthesis they ask people to sit and listen basically yeah listen and yeah yeah even they it is mostly they use native speakers only because they can really judge them okay but they do not have any measure like you have an original speech yeah yeah yeah you transcribe it yeah so even they propose some kind of word error rate so you have the original speech so they synthesize speech is there any of words which are not matching even speech synthesis they also introduced this word wr terms but this was really quite successful in this conference into speech so a lot of people participate right i think even they are continuing this for next year it is just tts right text to speech text to speech right but i heard like even for icasp next year there is some competition by martin krook sheffield and on this feature extraction stuff so at least if you make tasks simple focus then it may be good to compare these features but if you use some large vocabulary system it takes 6 months to build and then at the end you do not know whether your features are really right right so maybe that is like people are always using plps or mfcccs it is such a lot of time involved so you can not really check so maybe well but then i do not know if somebody like nist would have one recognizer and you just plug a different feature but yeah yeah but at least you need we have this numbers recognizers almost kind of freeze so everybody is using right so that is what we are doing no no like we are putting different features and i think yeah numbers recognition is not really different from like at least you need up we have almost same but maybe you are using 29 that is different yeah a couple of people at it here but there are already 2 different setups but at least are they 27 how many they are all using 27 for ogi numbers yeah stories and numbers different setups like some people use this setup and some people that seems we use distinct train and test set even the different sets of one years but the problem is you are using only digits so maybe that is where you are using so maybe that is where you well i do not use only digits my mlps are trained on everything no but test set is digits your main task is digits yeah that is what like it is but oj numbers other like now we are a little bit converged like we are using 27 phones and before it was like 24 25 but it is better like once you have like whatever the back end then you can put features like whether they are gamas or like spectral entropies or mfccs or whatever then at least you can see it would be nice for aurora maybe yeah yeah but aurora is aurora aurora yeah 0 yeah so but aurora is it really big database or how much time it takes to set up system and then no but it is fast it is fast i do not know i have been working with that but the problem is aurora again these models are world based models right yeah so again here we use try phones and so but definitely yeah if you want to show noise i think it is you have to show on aurora for noise conditions yeah it is pretty good arorize real thing those recognizers are made there you just use them that is it you do not have to play with it even it was forbidden in that time right so you have a recognizable just use it you do not play with it we just play with the features yeah yeah but yeah at least i mean those studies i think people already did for even in icslp 2002 special session or features for aurora yeah i remember with david pierce he was this call comics features and ogi features and all this so there are already people but again like at the end like for lvcsr people are using plps or mfcg nothing always who is the one who makes who actually uses what we try to do here these are companies because it is not scientists scientists just start from plp and then design new features new backend or new anything but they start from the old stuff but who is the one who is using these results which we publish and try to make but maybe my idea we are using those results for publishing any other power yeah but once you once you finish your phd you go and but not everybody grow no everybody and those who do not they stay and publish another papers and they turn into life no guillaume you can tell you work with these siemens people you know seamler yeah demler yeah what kind of features they use like they use any you know i do not know you know they are extremely secretive 0 god i had a hard time just to get the signals so i asked other questions but it is quite tough yeah even yeah i did not discuss anything with sunil also like no technical discussions yes these kind of things are built yeah yeah they have to but do you have any feeling that whether they go for all these new features or they usually use only i wonder which level they are using they have yeah they have to do some tests in their mercedes some speech recognition test but it seems now they at least demer they mostly work on dialog management but not much on features and recognition but even they do not believe like with one paper or 2 i guess because at least for them no plps or mfccc they know that okay these things work on every time so okay we can put hands on these things i doubt they are trying right now i doubt that at demler they are trying right now but maybe other companies yeah yeah maybe like yeah because sunil is working in nokia he is a okay so we can hope that nokia will be using tandem but you have you are not sure you mean sunil will not tell us yeah i cannot well many people play with tandem right like mit or who is using that no no no this cohen you mean like i do not know hina told us that somebody is using that very actively like okay it works for them and they are close to like industry like you know there is it is a research group i am not related to i know i do not think it is it is somebody else or i do not know somebody knew us but i but this was sound like at t or what this voice signal company he he nick always mentioned cohen cohen company yeah the word they are using you rodden cohen i do not know he is even if qualcomm no no voice signal they make a rickening is for the samsung phones right right no i do not know but they have like really many recognizers like this yeah i think so maybe definitely they may be using plps or you know maybe they are using plps and but i i believe that there is still some other stuff rasta or whatever else like all those decorrelations and transformations i think it is there but more or less it is again based on mcc is or something like that yeah but whatever is certain to work and they they use it they do not use anything which is too new which is not a new is really different yeah we was like they would at least see at least 44 years of results of some new features and some consistent results it is like a nasa you know they use 486 machines to put to space or space ships because it is known to work perfectly perfectly well or pentium not any p 4 or whatever because it is safe it has been working for 20 years and then only it is true but that is different situation because they need that it does not crash that machine if something happened with a machine and i do not the alux system it does not matter right somebody will fix it and change it but another issue is like again the competition if they want to make on mobile they do not want really use some fancy really expensive competition expensive features so all these i nek also told about this cohen is cell phone which he was showing to work with the lvcsr he was saying that there is something really really simple the decoder i mean not the features but he was mentioning something to the decoder there is just it is just phone recognition or something like even not vitter we just yeah something like no dtw or something i do not know i am not really sure but most of the mobile they use dtw kind of thing all these i do not know so voice calling and this thing 0 yeah yeah yeah that is easy like because they do not really need to put a lot of memory and these things otherwise if they want to build real like but there you could send an sms i think or something like that you could dictate text yeah yeah so even on the phone on the phone on the phone on the phone yeah some new one or the phone that from the cohen go ahead yeah voicing knows that is a similar one to whatever has for example some he was showing it live on mlmi last mlmi you can look at the video but which phone it is it is samsung samsung some new really new for whatever some but some which you can buy right yes yeah but the software is always available you can train it like what do you mean your speech no the software is i do not know that again on top of mobile or like it comes with your mobile well they they just both mobile and based on the os it is using they they know the thing is usually these kind of these kind of facilities are like not not normal so so they may charge more or like yeah yeah it is not the commercial okay yeah definitely they may charge for more money again some extra bill for this using this recognition engine or something or you can just buy that application right i do not know like it is like you you have got some mobile phone and then you can buy from another company some such application to can dictate your sms or whatever i do not know if it is already the case i do not know if it is done now but maybe like if it can not really recognize you will be really but have you ever used like a dictation system for windows those yeah there were many of them like this dragon that was kind of good and i heard that it worked very very well because even when i was working in like in edinburgh like one guy he got some problem with hands and then he was always using this dictation even he used to write a lot of c code with dictation it is really good like so but you have to really try and then you have to kind of your speech yeah okay you had to get used to the system not the system to you yeah yeah it is really like you have to get used to the system like how to say all the call lines and this thing system but it is really funny like he is able to use it for like years and he used to write a lot of code it was really great by the way you should be the one to ask is there anything if i am just a private person and i want for free any software which is able to read me a book in english for example at festival am i able to put the text to the system and to in real time to listen to the yeah you can listen festival is able to to read the minute it is like to read just a normal plain text in reasonable comprehensive english so that i can understand it i think i think i think you can do the festival you can just call like this there are different kind of again how you call the festival so you can just give the full interactive is that there is an interactive so then you will get all the colon and other things if you want to like read full text then you can say like the full text like those syntax and then it will speak till it finishes and it is in real time on a recent animation it is based on the iphone yeah that is why it is really tame otherwise it is a bit difficult yeah it is okay you can easily understand so it is intelligible yeah i think it is very good if it is really good like now it comes with all the linux boxes also because the iphone that i was tried to install it and there are the voices like cat voice and these voices this is not no there are so many voices like again i do not know which which which which voice is running or if it is diphone or which approach this is no mostly the festival what you get on linux missions is diphone based only so they supply a few voices of the iphones yeah yeah just you can not you got it installed in your machine here no it is all i just put like a festival right because it comes with direct linux software only now it is open source and have you tried it yes i have tried and there are some built in like easy voices which you can there is a default one completely synthetic which you cannot understand at all then there is a diphone synthesis i think it is the diphone synthesis from the something like cat voice yeah cat voice like they are like they have so so but this does not sound very nice and we were playing at the summer school with them actually with the authors and they were playing us some other yeah new voices like yeah and it sounded like human it was great yeah that is the difference that in cstir views this unit selection it is not diphones you have really large inventory of the speech so this is not those voices they are not released or something no no it is free they will be releasing soon i guess but maybe you can just see yours so far no it is it is here on the web then it will not come with your linux software so you are to again download from okay i am fine with this but i can yeah you can download make it run on my machine yeah if the voices are called multi syn okay multi sin some voice so you can download from the voice from the web then the engine is in the festival yeah yeah yeah so it is just a voice yeah yeah okay so voice is like the database of the speaker who speaks this takes home if it is really large database so the quality will be better because you can find similar still real time yeah it is more or less but not exactly like no okay it is 2 times or one4 times or but not much but you can prove like how much you want because okay so this is again like that is kind of my phd work how in this system like like how you choose the units and how you concatenate so there are again cost functions and vitterby yeah it is right you can always optimize you can put some thresholds and pruning then you can make it real time so then again compromise between the quality and yeah but still it is good like now you can just check multi syn and then voices that is right yeah it is really good and you just have chosen some text any text you just put it in i use the douglas adams that book you know okay but only sometimes like it can not like all this general english text book yeah i try and it can read how does it read from which how to stay in it is it possible to read pdfs or just standard text no txt whatever txt right yeah ascii ask a file at least you can take a pdf and convert pdf to us but only the problem is again acronyms and sometimes it expands sometimes it may not expand because it was not in their dictionary so it is not in the dictionary like if again it is problem like so but those things you can add like if you are really familiar with festival so you can add always these i am not and i do not want to go too much in the details but at least these things okay like it will not really make mistakes so often like sometimes anyway who is the author of festival ellen black and paul taylor they started a festival in 96 these are the edinburgh people edinburgh cs 2 and i thought that is the guy from cslu from portland who was there this this johan woters yeah but there was no they did portland ogi they did lpc based synthesis the festival is already like it is 11st we start with no but that was the guy who is on a wheelchair now he cannot move even he is very in like in the say that like cannot he just can speak only through some festival system or something like that from what you no yeah he was working my thing in oji even he is very famous but i said that he was the author no it was developed for him like he was just 1st tester i think of the so okay okay something like yeah maybe because it is not text to speech it is just the synthesis which means which is more or less the same but i do not know yeah 1st it started in cstr with telen black and paul taylor yeah then it takes into many places because if somebody is and simon king is playing with that right no simon king is one of the others but rob clark is the main idea you made yeah rob voice rob voice is there okay that i know yeah i think that is enough so anything more about lisbon or interest people no other papers further just one paper and festival from linux it is very interesting okay okay yeah yeah yeah yeah you not one this too that is a good one size this is great stuff yeah like this paper maybe it is not easy to name this room without breaking anything" ]

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[ "think we can 1st right it was function f 8 or something this one right there tha okay okay who is going to do a powerpoint presentation think we all huh you will as well 0 i thought we all were yeah i have one too okay okay s yep whoops i forgot to put the thing on right i just want to cause basically i can not re i have really crap at remembering everyone is name so i just want to rather than going miss marketing and miss this and miss that wanted to know your names again okay okay i am just going to leave this up here cause i will you know yeah okay sure that is a good idea so i am catherine with a c c a t h e r i n e okay and gabriel gabriel e l is it e l kay and you are s r r e i s s i am reissa r e i s s a double s a yeah yeah sorry okay is just a bit nicer calling people by their names i think right true right kay okay right welcome to meeting b this is going to go a lot better than the last meeting basically cause i know what i am supposed to be doing now i am your project manager and yeah i am just here to sort of liaise between the 3 of you and get things going get people talking and and i am going to be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically right this for the purposes of this meeting what this meeting is all about is i am going to have some presentations from all 3 of you what you have been working on for the last wee while when you have not been getting hit with spam on your computers and and you know filling out silly questionnaires and things but hopefully you have been actually been doing something productive so we are going to each of you going to give us a litt a little presentation then we are going to work you know from each of your presentations we will we will talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all and then we will yeah we will sort of conclude anything else comes up at the end of it how long is the meeting this meeting it is not very long it is probably down to about 35 minutes now okay so i want each of your presentations to not be too long 55 minutes something like that no problem if you have not done a powerpoint thingy it does not matter it it just it just says that you it is that is just one particular medium if you have not had time to prepare one you can draw stuff on the noteboard you can talk to us you can you know however you want to do your little presentation basically you can do not feel pressurized into using this thing cause i do not okay so you okay over there reissa i am fine yeah are you b are you joining in with this meeting here or are y or are y or are you are you just are you just doing some internet shopping there i yeah yeah think she is finishing up her presentation d i mean i i am finishing off my presentation no no i am done okay okay jolly good alright let us have well we all know that it is it is a remote control that we are going to be dealing with i think the 1st thing we should look at is probably the what it is that it is actually supposed to be so that is going to be you catherine if we want to hear from you 1st okay okay just connecting this are we getting i you do not have to worry about screwing it in just there you go really okay cool okay so i have got a very quick okay so the working design i have got a very quick presentation on this so i have 0 no you can not see a thing 0 well i am going to draw it on the board then it is in blue and i could not change it 0 we it is fine on my screen but never mind ah so the idea is that we have got the energy source which in our case will pr 0 well okay never mind so i think maybe 2 batteries i dunno what they are called 6 or something like that and then then on the remote control itself will have the sender for the signal which could be an infra red signal which will be sent by an electronic chip and the chip will be controlled by the user interface so we will hear about that later from gabriel and the sender will send to the telly itself an infra red signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels and that is it really for the working design great okay sorry the presentation was not very clear but i prefer the pe i prefer the human touch personally really cool yeah should i erase this or do you want to just give us a moment i just want to copy this down okay i dunno if you guys have got any questions for catherine on any of this fine or suggestions is a battery like the only way of well it is just you do not want it plugged in really s yeah alternate energy source like win wind power or yeah you blow on it and i no no in indoors no i meant like bicycle power no cause like cha cause always changing batteries can get like annoying the battery is down and maybe i dunno solar charged i dunno swi i th i th i think changing your batteries once every 6 months is not really a pain but yeah it is worked for the last 50 years you know yeah one question i have and i do not know how much control we have over this is as far as the infra red signal do we have control over you know how far away you can be from the receiving unit the the t v and still have it be operational i mean maybe we want one with a strong signal stream how far away is your television yeah it is never going to be more than it is never going to be well the thing is you you do not you kno unless you have got a t v the size of a football pitch it is not does not have to go that far does it does not have to go through a wall because you are not going to be looking through a wall yeah that is true but if like you are on the phone in the other room and you need turn television off or something and you do not really want to go into the put the telephone down and go into the other room well we can make the the signal strong enough to go through walls if if you fancy it i did not think about that how about bluetooth but instead of using infra red use bluetooth why not is not that a better signal i just think that it is it is going to cost more and i am i am not sure it is you are going to use it yeah yeah i d it sounds like you you w do not want to overcomplicate things you know we do not need it it is a fancy idea it is quite nice but then i do not th i dunno either you if you want to watch the telly you are in the room you are going to yeah exactly basically we are we are desi we are designing and marketing a television remote control unit but we are not w w w w designing something that you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect to your laptop computer and stuff it is 0 we can we can keep the idea if you i we can see at a later stage maybe i do not is just an idea okay right well done catherine gab gabriel let us let us hear from you on on on such things okay do you need the border i am just going to use the powerpoint okay sorry technical okay adjusting okay so while this is warming up there it is yeah so i am doing the user interface design yeah and basically as far as methods i was i was looking looking at looking at already existing remotes trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there thinking of what we can retain what we can do away with what we what we can perfect a little bit as far as design we do not want to do something that is too radical of a change i guess i mean people want a remote that is familiar that has their favorite functionalities and and does the basics but yeah so we can improve what is out there and maintain that the basic functionality that people want so things that seem like absolute must haves would be a volume control so up down keys for that channel keys up down but then also a numerical key pad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want rather than doing up down and a mute button one thing that i did not include here that i forgot that we talked about last time was doing some sort of lock function i do not i dunno that is one possibility okay and so in the research that i was doing there is basically 2 types of remotes ones that are engineering centered and ones that are more user centered which i do not know if i can access the web page from here but i can show you yeah so this is a engineer centered one so you see it is rather busy but it also lets you play your movie stop your movie fast forward all this freeze frame and this is a user centered one it is it is easier to g just glance at this and see what is possible to do you are not going to be staring at it for 5 minutes yeah great and i judging from what what we all talked about during our last meeting i kind of gathered that that is what we were going after or the direction we were going in at least so the engineering centered ones provide a lot of functionality but it can be a little bit overwhelming so the user centered ones just focus on ease of use and this sort of overlaps with what the marketing person reissa because we we need to find out what what people want before we make firm decisions on this yeah so yeah that is me great okay now that is i just have a q a q question for you this w research that you have been doing looki looking at other you know existing units stuff have you found that anyone else has do has looked into the locking function or no that that that seemed like a novel idea as f as far as i know i mean obviously another exists like you like you said in in mobile phones yeah that was sort of the inspiration for it i have never seen that with in in all my years in in the remote business yeah i have have not i have never seen a locking functionality i dunno what do you guys have a a yea or nay on that a feeling about whether that is really necessary i would say it is if it is simple to do which i think it probably should be even if it is a physical you know yeah a f a like a f a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote even something like that kay then yes it is like you know like s you said earlier on ab ab ab a flip thing something like that but you know being physical right look into i have had word down from head office that something that we should be centered well something we should take into account is we have got to keep the corporate image within this remote control unit it has got to d look like it is in the r and r you know the the company it is it is from what i can see from our other products are yellow with blue writing on them right and our motto is is we put the fashion in electronics we put the fashion in electronics i think i think we have to carry that mental there you go so it is kinda got to look it has got to look new and s you know something fashionable if if remote control well if telephones can be fashionable then maybe remote control units can be well yeah these i think we can so we talked about the layout in my presentation and what i did not mention yet really is is the sort of like the ergonomic design yeah because we need i t i think we can make big improvements over these 2 that you see here i mean yeah everything is going t ergonomic you know great there is you know mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches p sort of in the market i guess okay fantastic right well done gabriel okay reissa where does it go into let us plug you in baby here yeah the blue thing yeah this is getting all yeah then you just have to do function f 8 and it should come up well function f 8 no 0 yeah w it it just takes a wee while yeah it just takes a 2nd come on right okay okay well for our marketing report we observed remote control users in a usability lab and also gave so this is research and we also gave participants questionnaires to fill out total number of people tested were a 100 just so you know so that 100 people were tested and these were the findings so 75% of users find the remote control ugly okay so they do not like the look of the remote control 80 f 80% of them would spend more money if the rem remote control looked really cool and fancy so i think we all agree with that current remote controls do not match well with the operating behavior of the user so they do not like like the way they operate it does not like match how people behave per cent of the users say that they only use 10% of the buttons on a remote so probably if you have like one 2345 the whole up to z 10 they probably do not use those they only use the up and down channel cause we have only got 5 channels exactly that is another thing 75% of users say they zap not quite sure what they mean zap goes like i think that is k flicking quickly between channels yeah you want to navigate the channels quickly i guess yeah yeah takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote i think especially for the older generation i know my grandmother does not like mobile phones takes ages to work how to use anyway and they also remotes often get lost in the room so nobody can find them so maybe tracking devices is a good idea personal preferences wow you are a child of technology are not you so yeah i was thinking something easy to use especially for older people has to look really cool flashy groovy for people to buy it and it is easy to find so i do not know whether maybe and also we asked them whether they wanted whether they would be interested in voice activating so voice activation so and this was what we came up with then if you look 15 to 25 this is age sorry age groups so 15 to 25 said like 9291% of them said yes so there you go yeah so basically the majority except for the 45 to 55 year olds for some reason did not want a voice activated one and neither did the older generation but the younger generation who we are catering for like who have most of the money nowadays do want a voice act speech recognition in a remote but do the younger generation have the money no i would i would say the older the older people yeah they they do not it is older generation they are the ones that have gone out and well the 25 to 35 year old and 35 and the 35 to 45 457% say no so people people from the age of 30 f there is a big drop off there for people up to the age of 35 you are kinda saying yeah they want it but no they are not sort of most people that have the money are people from the age of 35 to 55 yeah that would be my guess as well cause they are the ones that have been working for 20 years so they do not d and tha and that is a that is quite a minority there so yeah it is not even like 5050 that is th 35% well these guys are growing up what about just from the the prospective of our manufacturing cost i mean if if it is 1250 per unit yeah i mean okay there is voice activation might not be the best i would say scra i would say scrap that straight off also with with buttons a thing called r s i so wrist sense huh repetitive strain representative repetitive strain injury or like from doing yeah repetitive strains injury so they do not i think people who watch t v maybe too often keep changing channel hurts their wrist well maybe they should not watch so much t v then i do not think so so y so it is so it is so you got so that is something we should have a look into then i when desi when designing the ergonomics of see have a look if there is any w any medical background we can find out about this yeah maybe not so hard maybe it could be instead of pressing button it could be just touching a yeah let us jus we just want need to cover our arses so that people are not going to sue us in 10 years time maybe say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury yeah we should probably consult with our legal department yeah they are having a lunch break at the moment but yeah yeah i will see if i can get see if i can get hold of them for the next meeting yeah i think we can do some really in in that department the the ergonomic department we can make some some really good improvements yeah maybe th the buttons not so high up so you do not have to press so much or we just like flat buttons something yeah okay so that is me that is great thank you very much for that reissa okay so we have basically we have decide we have d we have decided that it is going to be you know we are going for a basic television remote it has got to be safe to use it has got to look cool it has got to be cheap s now going back to the industrial design of it you know we were looking at whether to use maybe infra red or bluetooth i think we should just go with the simplest option on everything and that would be infra red energy source that would be batteries mean we we can look into using the s you know the little tiny weeny batteries all like special long lasting batteries but a in there is no i do not think there is any point in making a remote control unit that is going to last for 50 years because technology will have changed and you know we will not have televisions in 10 years time so yep i think we are all pretty sussed on that anyone have any questions everybody happy in their work yeah it seems like we are all on the pretty much on the same page now this is good we have got a good structure going on we all know where we are going to have you been ge has have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers 0 it is probably just you cause you are the project manager well just questionnaires yeah sell trying to sell your things yeah stuff okay do 0 have you guys found out if we can if we can e mail stuff to each other yeah you can right okay do all you all know my e mail address no i do not i think he is participant one are not you well in the project announcement you have got the addresses i think i so project manager it is participant one at a m i 0 it is just participant 10 okay yeah can you all d e mail me your e mail addresses well it is just w it is just it is just par participant one participant 2 you have them i you have them but we will send you an e mail send me yeah yeah okay you want to have friends do not you so are we headed towards like a b a big yellow and black remote as far as maybe that is our next meeting that we discuss that is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue i i kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background but i might be just going a bit well it is like white on i white and blue on a black background with white with yellow borders okay maybe that is like getting ahead of ourselves well it would not be maybe you can come up with a few with a couple of different ideas can not we have different colors in the remotes so somebody can choose different colonel like does it have to be of a certain well see the thing is is we have got to keep the company image it has got to say people have got to look at this remote control and instantly recognize that it is a real reaction i product but if it is a r r it would be real reaction like if it had a symbol on it there is loads of companies that called r r whoa this is slog but this is the slogan this is the the the the type and this is something that came on down from from the higher ups so i mean we are sort of beholden to them yeah so we have to have it one color well not necessarily not one color but the pattern needs to be recognizable but we have to incorporate it not necessarily even if i it just has to ye but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it is one of our products as opposed to a sony product or a well you could you know a panasonic product it has got to so maybe so you can have a look at our our other products and see if they all follow a s similar vein perhaps it could come but it could come in different colors and have the r r colors just somewhere like just around the lock button could be the r r logo or colors and yeah yeah if quite poss yeah well this is all your department okay well well done everybody and i think we stop for lunch now yeah pretty soon i think i guess that is now are we are we finished ahead of schedule we might possibly have done cool alright see you all soon if we have if we have finished at 5 minutes before the meeting is supposed to finish then that means we get an extra 5 minutes for lunch kay yeah there you go right i just have to there is a few little bits and pieces i have to write down but take your headsets off kick back smoke em if you got em" ]

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[ "quick 1st function function a theta or something this one is that okay who is going to do a powerpoint presentation i think we all you will as well i thought we all are yeah i have one too okay i was so i just want to because basically i can not i really crap at remembering everyone is names so i just want to rather than go out and miss marketing i miss this and miss that i want to know your names again and i always just can leave this up here because i will you know sure that is a good idea so catherine with a c c a t h e r i am okay and gabriel gabriel e l is it okay and i am rysa r e i e i 0 s a r b i s a yeah yeah it is just a bit nicer calling people by their names i think right right right okay okay right welcome to meeting b this is going to go a lot better than the last meeting basically because i know what i am supposed to be doing now i am your project manager and yeah i am just here to you know sort of liaise between the 3 of you and get things going get people talking and and i am going to be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically right this for the purposes of this meeting what this meeting is all about is i am going to have some presentations from all 3 of you what you have been working on for the last way while when you have not been getting hit with spam on your computers and you know filling out silly questionnaires and things but hopefully you have been actually doing something productive so we are going to each of you going to give us a little presentation then we are going to work you know from each of your presentation we will talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all and then we will sort of conclude and anything else comes up at the end of it how long is the meeting this meeting it is not very long it is probably down to about 35 minutes now so i want each of your presentations to not be too long 5 minutes something like that if you have not done a powerpoint thingy it does not matter it is just it just says that you it is that is just one particular medium if you have not had time to prepare one you can draw stuff on the note board you can talk to us you can you know however you want to do your little presentation basically you can do not feel pressurized into using this thing because i do not okay so you okay over there i am fine yeah are you joining in with this meeting here yeah yeah or are you just doing some internet shopping there no no i am done okay jolly good all right let us have well we all know that it is a remote control that we are going to be dealing with i think the 1st thing we should look at is probably what it is that it is actually supposed to be so that is going to be you catherine okay i want to hear from you 1st okay you do not have to worry about screwing it in really okay there you go cool i have got a very quick okay so the working design i have got a very quick presentation on this so i have 0 no you can not see a thing 0 well i am going to draw it on the board then it is in blue and i could not change it it is fine on my screen but never mind so the idea is that we have got the energy source which in our case 0 well okay never right so i think maybe 2 batteries i do not know what they call lr 6 or something like that and then then on the remote control itself will have the sender for the signal which could be an infrared signal an electronic chip and the chip will be controlled by the user interface so we will hear about that later from gabriel and the sender will send to the tell itself an infrared signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels and that is it really for the working design great sorry the presentation was not very clear i prefer to hear the touch personally should i erase this do you want to just give us a moment i just want to copy this down fine i do not know if you guys we have got any questions guys have got any questions for catherine on any of this or suggestions is a battery like the only way of well it is just you do not want it plugged in really alternate energy source like wind power or no indoors you blow on it and bicycle power always changing batteries can get like annoying the battery down and maybe i do not know so i think changing your batteries once every 6 months is not really a pain but yeah it is worked for the last 50 years you know one question i have and i do not know how much control we have over this is as far as the infrared signal do we have control over you know how far away you can be from the receiving unit the tv and still have it be operational maybe we want one with a strong signal straight how far away is your television it is never going to be more than it is never going to be unless you have got a tv the size of a football pitch it does not have to go that far does it it does not have to go through a wall because you are not going to be looking through a wall yeah but if you are on the phone in the other room and you turn television off or something and you do not really want to go into put the telephone down and go into it well we can make the signal strong enough to go through walls if you can not sit i do not think about that how about bluetooth instead of using infrared it is bluetooth why not i just think that it is going to cost more yeah i am not sure it is you are going to use it we do not want to over complicate things you know we do not need it it is a fancy idea it is quite nice but then i do not i do not know either you if you want to watch the teller you are in the room you are in the room you are you are in the room you are going to yeah exactly basically we are designing a marketing television remote control unit we are not we are designing something you can plug in a headset to and and you know connect your laptop computer and stuff it is we can we can keep the idea if yeah we can see at a later stage maybe okay all right well done gabrielle let us hear from you on do you need the board or i am just going to use the power okay technical struggles okay so while this is warming up there it is so i am doing the user interface design as far as methods i was looking at already existing remotes trying to find some inspiration from designs that are already out there thinking of what we can retain what we can do away with what we can perfect a little bit as far as design yeah we do not want to do something that is too radical of a change i guess i mean people want a remote that is familiar that has their favorite functionalities and does the basics so we can improve what is out there and maintain the basic functionality that people want so things that seem like absolute must haves would be volume control to up down keys for that channel keys up down but then also a numerical keypad so that they can just key directly to the channel that they want rather than doing up down and a mute button one thing that i did not include here that i forgot that we talked about last time was doing some sort of lock function okay i do not know that is one possibility and so in the research that i was doing there is basically 2 types of remotes ones that are engineering centered and ones that are more user centered actually i do not know if i can access the web page from here so this is an engineer centered one so you see it is rather busy but it also lets you play your movie stop your movie fast forward all this grease frame and this is a user centered one it is easier to just glance at this and see what is possible to do you are not going to be staring at it for 5 minutes and judging from what we all talked about during our last meeting i kind of gathered that that is what we were going after or the direction that we were going in at least so the engineering centered ones provide a lot of functionality but it can be a little bit overwhelming so the user center ones just focus on ease of use and this sort of overlaps with the marketing person risa because we need to find out what people want before we make the same thing so yeah that is me great okay now i just have a question for you and this research that you have been doing looking at other existing units and stuff have you found that anyone else has looked into the locking functional that seemed like a novel idea as far as i know i mean obviously another that exists like you said in mobile phones yeah that was sort of inspiration for it i have never seen that in all my years in remote business i have never seen a locking functionality i do not know do you guys have a yay or an a on that a feeling about whether that is really necessary i would say it is it is if it is simple to do which i think it probably should be even if it is a physical you know like a physical switch or a physical cover for the remote even something like that then yeah it is it is 0 like you know like you said earlier on a flip thing something like that but you know being physical look into i have had word down from head office that is something that we should be centered well something we should take into account is we have got to keep the corporate image within this remote control unit it has got to look like it is an r r you know the company it is from what i can see from our other products are yellow with blue writing on them and our motto is we put the fashion in electronics there you go i think we have to carry that mantle so it is kind of got to look new and you know something fashionable if remote control well if telephones can be fashionable then maybe remote control units can be yeah these i think we can so we talked about the layout in my presentation or what i did not mention yet really is the sort of like the ergonomical design yeah because we need i think we can make big improvements over these 2 that you see here yeah everything is going ergonomic you know there is mice for your computers that are very ergonomic and keyboards and that could be one of our niches sort of in the market i guess okay fantastic well done gabrielle risa where is it going to be let us plug you in baby here yeah the blue state right alice is getting a little tangled to make a sense yeah then you just have to do function f 8 and it should come up well function f 8 yeah it takes very well all right okay let us hope this works okay well from a marketing report we observed remote control users in the usability lab and also gave so this is research and we also gave participants questionnaires to fill out total number of people tested were 100 just so you know so that 100 people were tested and these were the findings so 75% of users find the remote control ugly okay so they do not like the look of the remote control 80% of them would spend more money if the remote control looked really cool and fancy so i think we all agree with that current remote controls do not match controls do not match well with the operating behavior of the user so they do not like the way they operate it does not match how people behave 30% of the users say that they only use 10% of the buttons on the remote so probably if you have like one 2 3 4 5 the whole up to 10 they probably do not use those they only use up and down channels because we have only got 5 channels exactly that is another thing 75% of users say they zap i am not quite sure what they mean zap then that is flicking quickly between channels yeah you want to navigate the channels quickly it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote especially for the older generation i know my grandmother does not like mobile phones it takes ages to work out of music anyway and they also remotes often get lost in the room so nobody can find them so maybe tracking devices is a good idea personal references wow you are a child of technology are not you so yeah i was thinking something easy to use especially for older people it has to look really cool flash and gruelly people to buy it and it is easy to find so i do not know whether maybe and also we asked them whether they wanted whether they would be interested in voice activating so voice activation so and this was what we came up with and if you look 15 to 25 this is age sorry is that out of the way age group so 15 to 25 said like 91% of them see there you go so basically the majority except for the 45 to 55 year olds for some reason did not want a voice activated one and neither did the older generation but the younger generation who we are catering for like who have most of the money nowadays do you want a voice act speech recognition but do the younger generation have the money no they do not it is an older generation they are the ones that have gone out well the 25 to 35 year old and 35 and the 35 to 45 45 45 45 45 7% i will say no people from the age of 30 there is a big drop off there for people up to the age of 35 they are kind of saying yeah they want it but no they are not the sort of most people that have the money are people from the age of 35 to 55 yeah that would be my guess because they are the ones that have been working for 20 years and that is a that is quite a minority there that say yeah it is not even like 50 50 50 and they are 50 50 that is 35% these guys are growing up what about just from the perspective of our manufacturing cost i mean if it is 1250 per unit yeah i mean okay there is voice activation might not be the best i would say scrap that straight off also with buttons a thing called rsi so riscenc repetitive strain injury yeah repetitive strange injury so they do not i think people who watch tv maybe too often keep changing the channel hurts their wrist i think so maybe they should so so you so you got so that is something we should have a look into then it when design when designing the ergonomics to see have a look if there is any medical background we can find out about this button could be just touching yeah we just want to need to cover our asses so that people are not going to sue us in 10 years time and say your remote control gave me repetitive strain injury yeah we should probably consult with our legal department yeah they are having a lunch break at the moment but yeah let us see if i can get out of the next meeting i think we can do some in that department the ergonomic department to make some other things to make some other good improvements maybe the button is not so high up so you do not have to press so much maybe just like flat buttons yeah okay so that is me that is great thank you very much for that racer okay so we have basically we have decided that it is going to you know we are going for a business we are going for a basic television remote it has got to be safe to use it has got to look cool it has got to be cheap now going back to the industrial design of it we are looking at whether to use maybe infrared or bluetooth i think we should just go with the simplest option on everything and that would be infrared energy source that would be batteries i mean we can look into using this you know the little tiny we needy batteries or a lot special long lasting batteries but in there is no i do not think there is any point in making a remote control unit that is going to last for 50 years because technology would have changed in you know we will not have televisions in 10 years time so i think we are all pretty sussed on that anyone have any questions everybody happy in their work yeah it seems like we are all pretty much on the same page now this is good we have got a good structure going on we all know where we are going to have you been as have any of you lot been getting loads of crap spam on your computers it is probably just you because you are the project manager no just question there yeah trying to sell you things and yeah but just stuff okay 0 have you guys found out if we can email stuff to each other yeah you can right do you all know my email address no i do not in the project announcement you have got the addresses i think so project manager it is partisement one at a can you all email me your email addresses you have them but we will send you in emails we want to have friends do not you yeah okay so are we headed towards a big yellow and black remote as far as maybe that is our next meeting is it yellow and black or is it yellow and blue i kind of thought it was blue writing on a yellow background but i might be just it is like white and blue on a black background with yellow borders okay maybe that is getting ahead of ourselves maybe you can come up with a couple of different ideas how do we have different colors in a remote so somebody can choose different colors well see the thing is we have got to keep the company image it has got to say people have got to look at this remote control and instantly recognize that it is a real reaction but if it is an rr it would be real reaction there is loads of companies called r this is slogan but this is the slogan this is the the the type and this is something that came on down from the higher ups so i mean we are sort of beholden to them so we have to have it one color well not necessarily but we have to incorporate it not necessarily even it just has to but you have to look at the product and instantly know that it is one of our products as opposed to a sony product or a you know a panasonic product it has got to so maybe so you can have a look at our other products and see if they all follow us similar vein perhaps but it could come in different colors and have the rr colors just somewhere like just around the lock button could be the rr logo or colors and yeah well this is all your department okay well well done everybody and i think we stop for lunch now yeah i guess that is now have we finished ahead of schedule we might possibly have done cool all right see you all soon if we finished 5 minutes before the meeting is supposed to finish then that means we get an extra 5 minutes for lunch okay there you go there you go right i just have to a few little bits and pieces i have to write down but take your headsets off kick back smoke them if you go got him" ]

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[ "okay welcome to the 2nd meeting of this design group i will briefly go through the notes of the of the last meeting just done in in note form and i have not attributed anything to individuals because we are working strictly as a team here and n nobody is working equally so sorry we we s we saw that the the problems with existing remote controls were the b a boring shape and boring color and and we s we saw that the what we needed to do was to to make sure the device controls several items that switching was easy that you should not need to point the thing at anything in particular that it need to be contoured to make it interesting that the keys might be concave simply because that has not been done before that we know of should have interchangeable fascias so people can personalize it illuminated so that people can see it in dark rooms and that people might want it as as in addition to their existing remote controls and that it sh it should just always work whenever you use it and that it should not be too small that it it gets lost now i will shortly ask for for 33 presentations before i do that however i will go through some new project requirements that the the management have placed on us and will be challenging in terms of what we discussed at the 1st meeting the the ma the management has had it is own thoughts on this and the they do not necessarily agree with with what we we thought and and then we will as a result of that we will then talk through the the functions that we see the the device actually b carrying out and we have 40 minutes to do this in and i anyway okay now the n the new requirements are the the management team see that teletext is no longer of any importance given the the rise of the internet and and they want it only to cover televisions now what is not q quite clear from their directive is whether they mean th they do not want it to cover teletext or whether they do not want it to cover you know videos d v d s satellite boxes which i mean we saw as being fundamental to the to the exercise the the actual wording of the directive is that it should cover television only and on that basis i i think we we need to bear that in mind but possibly keep at the backs of our minds that the reality that people even when they no longer they do not look at teletext anymore they certainly do look at other things the device has to incorporate the company logo and colors the the logo being at b the bottom of the screen there the the the 2 r s in gray against a yellow background now this does not necessarily mean that we have to give up some of our ideas about making it attractive to the t to the market but do do introduce some some constraints as to how we might do that it also has to be simple which to some extent goes along w with the 1st one and that we have already said that it must be simple cause that is what people want anyway but they also want it to be simple to get it to the market quickly which is is is their choice but we we need to talk that through okay so after the meeting it will be summarized and notes sent out and etcetera okay so we will 1st of all have individual reports from everybody again i there is no order of precedence here so i i i will leave it up to you to who who who thinks they would like to go go 1st i do not mind p fine can i steal the cable 0 sorry you can indeed cheers i got a how do i start there 0 if you click on the the one that that looks like a projection screen no the one to the right of that that one that one cool well these are functionality requirements from the our our guys down in the the research lab took 100 people and covered all the aspects of what is needed by people and what they want to see everything kinda from functionality and how individual functions are how mu how how often they are used and how much their necessary and stuff and general opinions about current current remotes see that as we kinda noticed 75% of people find their remote controls ugly so some kind of a new style should be incorporated that is less ugly along with looking less ugly if it looks better 80% of people said they would spend more money on it which is a a plus for us if we can make it look better it would be more cost effective and we can put the price up current remote controls do not match the operating behavior of the user i can empl i kinda take that to mean as they they do not they yeah they only use they only work for the television or yeah like as in in my flat i have got 6 remote controls for a stereo system a digital box a d v d player a video player and t v if it was i mean th my behavior is to use multiple things at the same time and multiple remotes are not really matched well to my behavior again 75% is 75% of users say they zap a lot i took to mean that they just they use it a lot they use it regularly rather than standing up and manually change channels or volume and yeah i think the big issue is 50% users only use 10% of the buttons cause wh if we got a remote that like well we will have some buttons taken off by the lack of teletext but 0 and we are going to see on the that some of the functions like audio settings are not h hardly ever used and used very are not considered relevant by the user so i think maybe fewer buttons which also make the design look sleeker i dunno yeah and frustrations of like people losing remote control i dunno maybe some kind of system of you press a button on the t v or maybe that is b it would have to incorporate but like some kind of system where you can f use something else to find the remote control maybe like it will beep or something and yep the time taken to learn new remote controls is do not want to make it too complicated easy to use for new like 1st time users and stuff and repetitive strain injury i suppose we should make it more comfortable and make ma possibly even use have to make it yeah fewer buttons like i was saying about the whole mice the mouse idea of it feels more comfortable maybe do not even have to hold it as such gosh must be some telly addicts out there if they get r s i from their television remote is all i can say but yeah it also asked if we would if people would pay more for speech recognition and younger people say they would and there was another section on our on the report for l c d displays but the data was not there so i do not actually know what the results for that were so right may be incrementally emitting but yeah yeah i must say that the i c can not remember what f you know phone service i was using the other day but that had sorta speech recognition which worked remarkably well so that is indeed a and it would cut out the r s i as well if you a thought and it it cuts out i was was going to say you can not get a lot of r s i j just get jaw ache okay sorry yeah 0 yeah so possibly the speech recognition is possibly something could add into the design 0 i have got some other things i could not fit onto this presentation you see this okay almost no it is sorry it is a bit i will read out to you functionality like people is opinions on functionality the relevance to the remote and how often they are used so like the power using the using the d swi the power switch to switch on t v is a high relevance of 9 but it is not frequently used you see what i mean whereas channel selection which is very high relevance is used the most yeah so m we can maybe even start to cut down on or i was possibly even thinking of a design that maybe some of the buttons are hidden from everyday use maybe like a folding ledge or something so that we can maybe go into the channel settings and the audio settings which are low relevance and rarely used and keep the v volume selection and channel selection very easily it could be 0 i was just going to say maybe like the flip phones that they use i mean have you seen the new mo mobile phones that flip out and they have the like texting and then the numbers on one side yeah 0 yeah so you could have the most used buttons on top and flip it out or something yeah like the one that like slides back and the buttons are concealed underneath yeah should we actually bite the bullet here if people really do not use those buttons to any extent at all remove them altogether just remove them completely that might be the we we could actually have we could actually have a remote control with i wonder whether we could get the remote control with no buttons at all if we went for voice recognition given that the now the the age structure we were looking at i mean w we had usage by age structure what we did not have was what proportion of people using remotes were in those particular age groups now do we know whether they yeah 40 no sorry for 45 to 55 age group to put myself right in the middle of it u use remote controls to a great extent yes we no this is for pay more for speech recognition that would have speech recogn right so we are looking at well again we do not know the relative proportion the relative numbers in the age groups yeah that is true if we wanted something different truly different then the buttonless remote control w would be it p well the only problem i can think of with that is if you have got a lot of people that do not want to be bothered learning how to use new rem remote controls if you just kind of take away everything that they are used to knowing that is going to be quite a change but if you just lift it up and say channel one or b b c it might or even i mean you could even just have it left on you could just put it down once on top your t v and never have to maybe i yeah have a big kind of like the satellite box or the cable box and have it just go on the t v and then it does not matter where in the room you are you will not lose it yeah it c well it i can i can see technical problems with that in terms of the you know no the sound from the television because if somebody actually on the television says you know b b c one yeah 0 i t v and you are watching b b c then then it might change itself so it probably needs to be possibly actually need a button on it yeah yeah that is true just to activate it 0 yeah or or something just to identify that you have lifted it up and it is use and and then just say 0 i do not know a thought and and then i mean that that would certainly be truly different yeah cause you know audio settings nought 8% i mean if they were not there would people miss them but look at the importance of them the volume settings relevance of 2 out of 10 yeah vol volume yes th w we need to s identify things that people actually need and and it is a function of frequency and relevance yeah they are not used often but they are quite important when they are used yeah and i would say ignoring ig ignoring power for the moment the channel and volume and th w w given given that we have been told to ignore teletext yeah channel and volume are the only ones that would appear to be essential stand out so we if we can design something that that looks interesting know or looks different incorporates the the logo and and the colors and we can still have our interchangeable fascias even if it is the yellow and gray and i dunno buttons or or buttons as an option i just had a thought actually sorry to interrupt do please you were saying about it could technical problems of like someone on the television saying a channel number and it changed we could maybe have like an activation word cause i have seen i have seen this used on computers before where you just you address the remote you address the computer and then give it a command you cer certainly could depe i depends whether if we want to make this so simple that anybody can walk into the room and lift it up and say 0 i see 0 yeah i see b b c one okay i mean you could print actually print it on the yeah device itself i mean i am just thinking of the point of view of peop you could still like lose this remote s th this i th that is always going to be a problem i think and i i i s so i suppose one could make it so desirable that if people lose it they immediately go out and buy another one anyway sorry carry on do you want to just carry on with 0 no i i interrupted you sorry or no no no b i was in the middle of in the middle of your report there 0 okay well i was just kinda wrapping up there yeah i was thinking yeah maybe such things are relevant okay we could make things much more f i think the the 80% of people would spend more on a remote that looks better combined with decrease the or take out the limited functio functions that we do not really use much alright take out teletext but as for channel settings and stuff it might it might turn people somewhe peop some people that want the whole functionality away but since if we are marketing a more kind of fashionable approach then it would it would be fashion and fashion over practicality s s we could we could make it dual function voice recognition and still have buttons on it cause we are 0 we could yeah we c yeah we could even have it as like a yeah the buttons control this and the voice functions control the f things that you would do all the time so certainly could so yeah if we could power on and channel selection and and volume selection would not have to really yeah yeah the i mean the the advantage of doing away the buttons altogether is it makes the thing cheaper yeah and probably it would look better as well no it cou certainly opens up the possibility for making it you know visually very distinctive yeah cause you know it does not have to be a oblong box yeah lined with numbered buttons and yeah okay who sorry have you have you finished there andy yeah yeah that is everything yep yep given that we have already had a extensive discussion okay well i can do mine do you want the cable yeah let us see if i can make this work 0 you have to hit like function and f something 0 f 8 f 8 is it doing dunno give it about 20 seconds or so okay ah there we go 0 yeah it is going 0 okay okay so this is just about the technical functions alright so the method i looked online for examples of other similar products and then just kind of was trying to brainstorm some possible design ideas and identify what the necessary things are what people are what you really want to have a remote control do and then there are 2 different kinds that i found there is a user centered one and an engineering centered one which i will have pictures of and then we kinda have to decide which one this should be so these are the 2 different ones this one this is the user centered it has quite a few fewer buttons and then this is the engineering centered which has a lot more buttons and probably this is one that people complain about about having too many buttons that you do not use so basically what a remote control is is you it is to send messages to the television set you know turn on off switch the channels and the volume and things such as that and so for this product it is going to be television only and then it has to have the logos for the company and the colors and so for my personal preferences i think this one is easier to use and has quite a you know fewer buttons we want something that sends messages easily to the television and i was kind of wondering about this example that they have it looks kind of narrow at the top and i was thinking maybe if it were wider at the top then that would be easier yeah and so we have to decide what is going to make our product different e the unique style maybe have it light up so it is visible in the dark the changeable face plates and the lighting up and visible i was when we were talking about havi losing it maybe to have a button on the television that you press and it maybe if it makes a noise or lights up or something like that so it is easier to find if someone has hidden under the couch or something like that so that is my presentation yeah okay can i i am actually going to use the it is going to cause great technical problems over here i am actually going to use the f they probably clip to you 0 yeah they might be movable yeah 0 yeah they are all they are not connected to anything on the table you just leave em on and walk around with em yes rather than the the the traditional in fact i will not even go that far something like this shape you know sort of something that you can that is sort of a more vertical shape that you you sort of hold in your hand well i am trying to think l l such as i mean something you hold up like that possibly with a couple of buttons like that but with the the entire top with the you know the the infrared or whatever source so that you know it is flying off in all directions so that again the n need to look at the the the technicalities of actually achieving that in terms of whether the you know the power requirements of the such a source you know compromise the our our need for you know it it being permanently you know available whether whether different technology i mean th all all these remotes are presumably infrared and like they have been for a long time we we possibly need to be looking at at at something different you know short range not like the old radio remote controls where you would change next door is telly when you change yours but i think basically i if we are going for i if minimum number of buttons is our priority then we should as i say r know really bite the bullets and and reduce the buttons to absolute minimum you know possibly with backup channel and volume buttons and on off and nothing else so that it can al it could almost end up like that but again except that you know the risk of losing it anyway okay so kate wh what are your your thoughts on this yes 0 which one does this plug into i think it is all there that one h i can not did you could you see it on you screen when it 0 yeah that is kind of strange that is not cool 0 well anyways alright yeah so i will just do my presentation on the working design 0 there we go okay just at the m yeah the whole sort of method of how the remote control works the basic function of the remote control is to send messages to another sh system the the t v or the d v d player or whatever and it does this by well you need to start off you need an energy source and this energy source will feed into an integrated circuit chip and the circuit chip is the part that actually composes the different messages within the remote which will then be sent to the the television the d v d to tell that what to do and you need a user interface which controls the chip and thus the messages and the user interface is that is basically just you kn the s sorta design of the actual remote which you hold in your hands and what buttons will be on it 0 shoot okay just general findings what we need technically speaking for the remote control is some sort of energy source some sort of user interface which i think we have mostly been talking about the user interface and the design of that a circuit chip within that to control and send the messages and a sender and receiver and oops huh this is just sort of a little schematic diagram of what we are looking for this just kinda represents the energy source which feeds into the circuit chip which maybe then we could have that feed into a switch which would send signals f to a subcomponent and on to a light bulb between so it will light up once we start once you start pressing buttons also send signals to the infrared bulb which will be the part that actually what sends signals to the the television and then you have got your happy little t v watcher there and so my personal preferences i i just think we need sorta big energy source that will not die out perhaps some sort of rechargeable battery or a battery dock you could place it in so it would constantly be charged so you would not have to be worrying about it running out of batteries and not changing channels for you a wide range sender receiver so that you can hit the buttons from basically anywhere in the room and the channel will still be changed also definitely a user friendly interface and i think we have all sort of mentioned adding a a locating device on it so when it does get stuck under the couch cushions as they inevitably do you can find them easily and that is pretty much it okay it seems seems to me there are a number of fundamental decisions to make before we i think your point about the the big energy source is a very valid one i do not suppose we have got any statistics on the the life expectancy of remote controls particularly sort of independent ones given you know the number of things you buy these days which you know have a a a lithium whatever battery in that is you know never needs replacing perhaps we should have the the disposable remote control you know one some sort of typical usage you know the the the battery will last know 510 years by which time i mean when all is said and done the digital television will be taking over in that time scale p perhaps we should know reduce the you know the sort of moving parts even more by not even having a battery compartment and just having one that is guaranteed to last 5 to 10 years yeah and if if anybody manages to run it down we will we will give em a new one 0 cool yeah fair enough it is you know it is what it saves in cost and you know there there is a well it is actually a marketing gimmick i mean it is hardly a gimmick it is it is totally practical so i th think you know the idea of a rechargeable one is unless you are really high tech and it sort of just recharges itself if it is n by you know magnetic waves or whatever if if it it could have like know like a cordless phone in your house it s got like a base that sits there all the time yeah are are people really going to use it though i suppose yeah yeah people are pro i would think that people might forget i mean people forget to put their cordless phones back on there so yeah i i th i think yeah yeah it is i mean i know that somei times my my wife goes out in the morning and says 0 i should have put the phone on to charge and then then she is had those for so long that if she has not worked that out by now cause i only remember to charge my cell phone when battery dies yeah and that is pretty much yeah when it yeah wh when it is died is a problem yeah when it turns itself off that is when i plug it in yeah yeah yeah yeah so what so wh what what do we think about the the the permanent battery yeah think that is a good idea that sounds pretty good yeah no is the you know we we we are really going for the ultimate in ex external simplicity here you know cut cost within the manufacturing and you know if we have a high tech interior then then that that sh may well be cost effective do they make batteries that last that long i mean th th certainly i can not think of anything off the s top of my head but there are certainly things that you buy i mean calculators for example they usually have the little light source i dunno what the heck they are called the but yeah the little cells that yeah they have that little solar som well some do i mean th th but there are battery ones that are you know sort of permanently sealed yeah yeah in in fact i would most of them do not they have sort of a combination of the 2 like when there is light they will work off the light and if there is not yeah they will kick into this battery so we can maybe do something like that whereas there is a battery but if there is enough light then it is using the light so that it is not actually draining the battery all the time but you will have the battery there for when you need it yeah i i mean th th this needs going t into the technology a bit i mean the the actual time that a remote control is actually operating i would think is i is is probably you know no more than minutes in its entire life 0 it depend if it is depends who who is using it who is just sitting there clicking clicking clicking clicking yeah yeah some people are if but i say if if people are getting r s i from it then then then then perhaps we are looking at the wrong market n yeah then they are clicking a lot yeah yeah yeah w like like this this market research thing says number of times per hour that it is used channel selection a 168 per hour times per hour right yeah yeah wow that is a lot yeah 0 i must admit i had not i would i would missed that that does sound excessive but then again if you think it of the amount of you know amount of use it is like yeah that is it is less than a 2nd yeah yeah yeah well that is right and and i i do not i do not even know whether the i do not even know whether the s the signal lasts as long as you actually keep the button pressed or whether it is just a yeah sorta 10th of a 2nd no matter how long you press it for i do not know i do not actually know though i think with digital t v like i know on my cable box you are not supposed to do that because the channel can not keep up with it if you just press it like that yeah so you are supposed to use the menu and go through the different channels that way instead of right so i have got a message to say 5 minutes i dunno how long ago that appeared cause we are we are getting right so i would i need to sum up very quickly here 0 we are looking at extreme simplicity we are looking at a radically different shape possibly no buttons at all but if you can incorporate channel change and volume buttons in into the design then then that is fine in the i mean the the role of the of the the user interface des designer becomes b you know more important here because you know shape is no longer an a a serious constraint but we clearly only need th the main buttons although if clearly only need the main functions i do not see why we should not go for voice recognition and the the only buttons that i think we need are channel control volume control and on off it needs to incorporate the corporate logo the the gray and yellow color scheme and there is no reason why we can not introduce interchangeable covers d so does that accurately summarize what we have discussed yeah yeah yep right so 0 i just have one question yeah so are we doing just the television or are we doing so not d v d players we okay okay we are doing just the television no i think that is quite clear from the the information that we have been given no okay yeah like in the email of television only in fact they are in the constraints email that i got right did not you mention the teletext just television only 0 yeah well th that is one i s that is one i sent you yeah which which was my interpretation of of the what came down from from head office 0 okay yeah 0 yeah 0 okay okay that is that that that that is their their view okay so we can all give some thought to that for for the next meeting thank you very much indeed okay cool" ]

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[ "and well 5 and 6 fuller well 5 and it is falling off okay welcome to to the 2nd meeting of this design group briefly go through the notes of the last meeting just done in note form and i have not attributed anything to individuals because we are working strictly as a team here and nobody is working equally so we saw that the problems with existing remote controls were the boring shape and boring color and we saw that what we needed to do was to make sure the device controls several items that switching was easy that you should not need to point the thing at anything in particular that it need to be contoured to make it interesting that the keys might be concave simply because that has not been done before that we know of so that interchangeable fasciers so people can personalize it illuminated so that people can see it in dark rooms that people might want it as in addition to their existing remote controls and that it should always work whenever you use it and that it should not be too small that it gets lost now i will shortly ask for 3 presentations before i do that however i will go through some new project requirements that the management had placed on us and will be challenging in terms of what we discussed at the 1st meeting the management has had its own thoughts on this and they did not necessarily agree with what we thought and then we will as a result of that we will then talk through the functions that we see the device actually going out and we have 40 minutes to do this in now the new requirements are the management team see that teletext is no longer of any importance given the rise of the internet and they wanted only to cover televisions now what is not quite clear from their directive is whether they mean they did not want it to cover televisions wanted to cover teletext or whether they did not want it to cover videos dvds satellite boxers which i mean we saw as being fundamental to the exercise the actual wording of the directive is that it should cover television only on that basis i think we need to bear that in mind but possibly keep at the backs of our minds the reality that people even with it no longer they do not look at teletext anymore they certainly do look at other things the device has to incorporate the company logo and colors the logo being at the bottom of the screen there the 2 r is in gray against a yellow background now this does not necessarily mean that we have to give up some of our ideas about making it attractive to the market but do introduce some constraints as to how we might do that it also has to be simple which to somebody saying it goes along with the 1st one and the way we have already said that it must be simple because that is what people want anyway but they also want it to be simple to get it to the market quickly which is their choice but we need to talk that through okay so after the meeting would be summarized and notes sent out and etc okay so we will 1st of all have individual reports from everybody again there is no order of precedence here so i will leave it up to you to who thinks they would like to go 1st i do not mind no reverse fine can i steal the cable 0 sorry you can indeed cheers how do you how do i start there 0 you click on the one that looks like a projection screen other projection screen other one to the right of that that one cool well these are functional requirements from there are guys down in the research lab 200 people covered all the aspects of what is needed by people and what they want to see everything kind of from functionality and how individual functions are how often they are used and how much the necessary and stuff and general opinions about current remotes i see that as we kind of noticed 75% people find the remote controls ugly so some kind of new style should be incorporated it is less ugly along with looking less ugly it looks better 80% of people said they would spend more money on it which is a plus for us if we can make it look better be a more cost effective if we can put the price up carver control is not match the operating behavior of the user i can i take that to mean as the they do not yeah the only work for the television or elite like or like in my flat i have got 6 remote controls for a stereo system a digital box a dvd player video player tv if it was i mean my behavior is i use multiple things at the same time and multiple modes are not really matched well to my behavior again 75% it is 75% i use the zapp a lot i took to mean that they just they use a lot use it regularly rather than standing up and manually change channels or volume signs and yeah i think a big issue is 50% of use only use 10% of the buttons because we have got remote that like we will have some buttons taken off by the lack of teletext but we go and see that some of the functions like audio settings are not hardly of use and is very are not considered relevant by the user so like maybe fewer buttons which also make design look sleigher yeah and frustrations of like people lose remote control or maybe some kind of system of you press a button on the tv or maybe that is it would have to incorporate it to you but like some kind of system where you can use something else to find the remote control maybe like it will beep or something yeah time taken to learn new remote controls is we do not want to make it too complicated easy to use for like 1st time users and stuff and repetitive strain injury i suppose we should make it more comfortable and make it possibly even use i have to make fewer buttons like as saying about the whole mouse idea of it feel more comfortable of it feels more comfortable maybe do not even have to hold it as such there must be some telly addicts out there if they get rsi from the television but yeah they also asked if we would if people would pay more for speech recognition and younger people would say they would and there was another section on the report for lcd displays but the data was not there so it was a part so to actually know what the results were for that were so maybe it increpents a later meeting but yeah i must say that the i can not remember what you know phone service i was using the other day but that had sort of speech recognition which worked remarkably well so that is indeed a it cuts out of it it would cut out the rsi as well i am just going to say you can not get a lot of rsi just get jawry okay sorry yeah well yeah so possibly the speed recognition is supposed to be something good added to the design although i have got some other things i could not fit onto this presentation see this okay no sorry it is a bit of thing i will read out you functionality like people is opinions on functionality the relevance to the remote and how often they are used so like the power using the switch on tv is a higher relevance of 9 but it is not frequently used you see what i mean whereas channel selection which is very high relevance is used the most so we can maybe even start to cut down on or i was possibly thinking of a design that maybe some of the buttons are hidden from everyday use maybe like a folding lid or something so that we can maybe go into the channel settings and the audio settings which are low relevance and rarely used and keep the volume selection and channel selection very easily it could be 0 i was just going to say maybe like the flip phones that they use have you seen the new mobile phones that flip out and they have the texting and then the numbers on one side so you could have the most used buttons on top and like the ones like slides back in the buttons are concealed under me should we actually bite the bullet here if people really do not use those buttons to any extent at all just remove them completely remove them all together that might be there we could actually have a remote control with i wonder whether we could get the remote control with no buttons at all if we went for voice recognition given that the age structure we were looking at i mean we had usage by age structure what we did not have was what proportion of people using remotes were in those particular age groups do we know whether they 45 to 55 age group to put myself right in the middle of it right in the middle of it use remote controls to a great extent and that is for pain walker speech recognition right so we are looking at well again we do not know the relative proportion the relative numbers in the age groups that is true if we wanted something different truly different then the button must remote well the only problem i can think of with that is if you have got a lot of people that do not want to be bothered learning how to use new remote controls if you just kind of take away everything that they are used to knowing that is going to be quite a change but if you just lift it up and say channel one or even you could even just have it left on you could just put it down once on top your tv and never have to yeah have it be kind of like the satellite box or the cable box and have it just go on the tv and then it does not matter where in the room you are you will not lose it i can see technical problems with that in terms of the sound from the television because if somebody actually on the television says itv watching bbc then it might change itself so it probably needs to be possibly actually need a button on it just to activate it or something just to identify that you have lifted it up on its use and then just say i do not know a thought and then i mean that would certainly be truly different because you know audio settings 08% and if they were not there would people miss them but look at the importance of them the volume settings relevance of 210 yeah volume yes they are not used often but they are quite important when they use we need to identify things that people actually need and it is a functional frequency and relevance and i would say ignoring power for the moment the channel and volume given that we have been told to ignore teletext channel and volume are the only ones that stand out would appear to be essential so if we can design something that looks interesting or looks different incorporates the logo and then the colors and we can still have our interchangeable faces even if it is yellow and gray and having no buttons or buttons as an option i just thought i thought actually so interrupted yeah we are saying about yeah good technical problems of like someone on the television saying a channel number and it changed we can maybe have like an activation word because i have seen i have seen it use some computers before we just you address the remote you address the computer and then give it the command it depends whether if you want to make this so simple that anybody can walk into the room and lift it up and say yeah that is bbc one okay i mean you could actually print it on the device itself i am just thinking of the point of view of people you could still lose this remote this that is always going to be a problem i think and i suppose one to make it so desirable that if people lose it they immediately go out and buy another one anyway sorry carry on just carry on with 0 no i have dropped to you no no no you are in the middle of in the middle of your reports though well i was just kind of wrapping up there yeah i was thinking yeah restricts things that are relevant we can make things much more i think the 80% of people depend more on our mode that looks better combined with decrease the or take out the limited functions that we do not really use much well we have already taken it to the text but as in our channel settings and stuff it might turn people some people that want the whole functionality away but if we are marketing and work in a fashionable approach then we would be fashion over practicality because we could make it dual function we know voice recognition and we still have buttons on it yeah we could even have it as like yeah the buttons control this and the voice functions control the things that you would do all the time so certainly could so yeah we could power on and channel selection volume selection we do not have to really i mean the advantage of doing the way the buttons all together is it makes things cheaper yeah it probably would look better as not it certainly opens up the possibility for making it you know visually very distinctive yeah because you know it does not have to be a oblong box lined with numbered buttons yeah okay who sorry have you yeah yeah that is different given that we have already had an extensive discussion okay well i could do mine got there give yeah let us see if i can make this work 0 you have to hit like function and f something 0 f 8 okay is it doing yeah give it but 20 seconds okay okay okay okay so this is just about the technical functions so the method i looked online for examples of other similar products and then just kind of we are trying to brainstorm some possible design ideas and identify what the necessary things are what you really want to have a remote control do and then there are 2 different kinds that i found there is a user centered one and an engineering centered one which i will have a one which i will have pictures of and then we kind of have to decide which one this should be so these are the 2 different ones this one this is the user centered it has quite a few fewer buttons and then this is the engineering centered which has a lot more buttons and probably this is one that people complain about about having too many buttons that you do not use so basically what remote control is is you it is to send messages to the televisions that you know turn on off switch the channels and the volume of things such as that and so for this product it is going to be television only and then it has to have the logos for the company and the colors and so for my personal preferences i think this one is easier to use and has quite a few buttons we want something that sends messages easily to the television and i was kind of wondering about this example that they have it looks kind of narrow at the top and i was thinking maybe if it were wider at the top then it would be easier and so we have to decide what is going to make our product different the unique style maybe have it light up so it is visible in the dark the changeable face plates and the lighting up invisible when we were talking about losing it maybe to have a button on the television that you press and maybe if it makes a noise or lights up or something like that so it is easier to find if someone has it hidden under the couch or something like that so that is my presentation okay can i actually use the it is going to cause great technical problems over here i am actually making you use the they probably clip 0 yeah they are not connected to anything on the table they just leave them and walk around with them rather than the traditional in fact i will not even go that far something like this shape you know sort of something that you can sort of a more vertical shape that you can sort of hold in your hand such as i mean something hold up like that possibly with a couple of buttons like that but with the entire top with the infrared or whatever source so that it is flying up in all directions so that again the need to look at the technicalities of actually achieving that in terms of whether the power requirements of the such a source compromise our need for it being permanently available whether different technology i mean all these remotes are presumably infrared like they have been for a long time we possibly need to be looking at something different you know short range not like the older radio remote controls or you change next door to telly and we change this but i think basically if we are going to if minimum number of buttons is our priority then we should as i say really bite the bullets and reduce the buttons to absolute minimum possibly with back up channel and volume buttons and on off and nothing else so that it could almost end up like that again except the risk of losing it anyway okay so kate what are your thoughts on this which one does this plug into i think it is all there i can not do this 0 yeah that is kind of cool 0 well anyways okay yeah so i will just do my presentation on the working design okay just at the whole method of how the remote control works the basic function of the remote control is to send messages to another system the tv or the dvd player or whatever and it does this by well you need to start off the energy source and this energy source will feed into an integrated circuit chip and the circuit chip is the part that actually composes the different messages within the remote which will then be sent to the television the dvd to tell that what to do and you use your interface which controls the chip and thus the messages and the user interface is that is basically just the design of the actual remote what you will hold in the hands and what buttons will be on it 0 shoot just general findings what we need technically speaking for remote control is some sort of energy source some sort of user interface which i think we have mostly been talking about the user interface and the design of that a circuit chip within that to control and send the messages and sender and receiver and receiver and it is just sort of a little schematic diagram of what we are looking for this just kind of represents the energy source which feeds into the circuit chip which maybe then we can have that feed into a switch which would send signals to a subcomponent and onto a light bulb to light up once we start once you start pressing buttons also send signals to the infrared bulb which will be the part that actually sends signals to the television and then you have got your happy little tv watcher there so my personal preferences i just think we need sort of big energy source that will not die out perhaps some sort of rechargeable battery or a battery dock you could place it in so it would constantly be charged you would not have to be worrying about it running out of battery worrying about it running out of batteries and not changing channels for you a wide range of sender receiver so that you can hit the buttons from basically anywhere in the room and the channel will still be changed also definitely a user friendly interface and i think we have all sort of mentioned adding a locating device on it so when it does get stuck under the couch cushions as they inevitably do you can find them easily and that is pretty much it okay it seems to me there are a number of fundamental decisions to make before we i think your point about the big energy source is a very valid one i do not suppose we have got any statistics on the light expectancy of remote controls particularly sort of independent ones given the number of things you buy these days which i have a lithium whatever battery in that never needs replacing perhaps we should have the disposable remote control on typical usage the battery will last 510 years by which time i mean when all said and done digital television will be taken over in that time scale perhaps we should reduce the you know reduce the moving parts even more by not even having a battery compartment just having one that is guaranteed to last 5 to 10 years yeah if anybody manages to run it down then give them a new one fair enough it is you know it is what it saves in cost and you know there is a well it is absolutely a gimmick and it is hardly a gimmick it is practical so i think the idea of a rechargeable one is and i see a really high tech and it is high tech and it sort of just recharges itself if it is by you know magnificent waves or whatever it could have like a cordless floor in your house it is like got like a base that sets there all the time are people really going to use it though yeah people would think that people might forget people forget to put their cordless phones back on there yeah it is i mean i know sometimes my wife goes out in the morning and says 0 i should have put the phone on to charge and then she is had those of it so long but she does not look that by now i only remember to charge my cell phone when battery dies when it dies when it turns itself off that is when i plug it in yeah right so what do we think about the permanent battery i think that is a good idea that is pretty good too we are really going to the ultimate in external simplicity here you know cut costs in the manufacturing and you know if they have a high tech interior they do not know that much it may well be cost effective do they make batteries that last that long i mean certainly i can not think i think of the top of my head but there are certainly things that you buy i mean calculators for example they usually have a little light source they have a little solar yeah the little cells that well some do i mean there are battery ones that are permanently sealed and it impacts are most of them do not they have sort of a combination of the 2 like when there is light they will work off the light and then if there is not they will kick into this battery so we can maybe do something like that whereas there is a battery but if there is enough of light then it is using the light so it is not actually draining the battery all the time but you will have the battery there for battery there for yeah this needs going into the technology a bit i mean the the actual time that a remote control is actually operating i would think is it is probably no more than a minute in its entire life it depends if it is it depends who is using it who is just sitting there clicking clicking clicking people are getting rsi from it yeah they are clicking a lot yeah like like this this market research thing says number of times per hour that is used challenge selection 168 times per hour per hour wow that is a lot yeah i am just that does sound excessive but then again if you think it if they might have you know might be use it is like that is less than a 2nd yeah well that is right and and i do not even know whether the signal lasts as long as you actually keep the bottom pressed or whether it is just a sort of 10th of a 2nd no matter if i do not press it for i do not actually know but i think with digital tv like i know on my cable box you are not supposed to do that because the channel can not keep up with it if you just press it like that so you are supposed to use the menu and go through the different channels that way instead of right so i have got a message to stage 5 minutes i do not know how long have that appeared 0 right so i would need to sum up very quickly here we are looking at extreme simplicity we are looking at a radically different shape possibly no buttons at all but if you can incorporate channel change and volume buttons into the design then that is fine indeed i mean the role of the user interface designer becomes more important here because you know shape is no longer a serious constraint but we clearly only need the main buttons or clearly only need the main functions i do not see why we should not go for voice recognition and the only buttons that i think we need are channel control volume control and on off it needs to incorporate the corporate logo the gray yellow color scheme and there is no reason why we can not introduce interchangeable covers does that accurately summarize what we have discussed yep right so i just have one question so are we doing just the television television are we doing so not dvd play for okay i think that is quite clear the information we have been given me okay yeah i can email on television only in the constraints the email i got you know you mentioned the teletextes television yeah well that is one i sent to which was my internet okay 0 yeah 0 yeah okay okay okay from head office that is their okay so we can all give some thought to that for the next meeting thank you very much again okay" ]

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[ "are you sure i got it all head is kinda small how are we placed in terms of the alright okay we are okay guess i should probably try to sit up straight like that okay cool we are good 0 i think mine is fallen off it fell that is why i guess it is going to be hard to drink coffee okay ah okay right so i am just going to start this powerpoint real quick wow yeah powerpoint very official yeah well you know yeah i kinda like this i am kinda getting into it right so just to kick off the meeting basically so we are working now for a real reaction this is so it right just got an agenda to set out what we are going to try to accomplish in this particular 1st meeting we are going to just do a quick opening and we can hopefully all get acquainted with one another then we are going to start talk a little bit about tool training essentially that means getting used to the only thing that we have not tried out yet the whiteboard we have got a general plan for the project how we are going to go about accomplishing this and then just a bit of discussion close up i guess you know game or something in real life so yeah basically i want to i am just going to you got of course you can discuss that i am thinking about proposing that since we have got this weird blend of ourselves and our roles that we just do not ask do not tell so if you say something about marketing right sorted y is you are just going to believe me we will go from there exactly fair enough i mean obvi if if you guys if if at the same time if you like logically if something does not like if i am like we are going to sell a remote control that is the size of this paper book you know you say like well that does not seem like such a good idea because of x obviously go with it i mean we will discuss it but i am not going to ask do you know that or yeah it seems like yeah yeah exactly so prove it yeah okay cause we are what we are sort of role playing is y g yeah you are going to tap into your own knowledge as well and that is the same for your when we do introductions i mean and you talk about your background you know have fun you know maybe you went to you know maybe i you are like in maine you went to u c s b but you want to say you went to harvard or something like that why not you know you can this is you know i guess we can have a little bit of fun with it so are you guys okay with that does that seem logical 0 yeah that is fine sure works for me sweet cool so i guess that that we are totally we are making a remote control which is thrilling but the idea is that we can make something based on the whole corporate model i dunno if you guys had time to check the in real life i dunno if you guys checked the the corporate website right we have got to make something as fashionable as possible that is kind of the corporate strategy is we are going to try to take ordinary stuff that nobody really thinks about and try to make it nice you know like john lewis nice or you know if you go to debenham is or something so basically we are reinventing the wheel but we want to try to do it in a user friendly slick sleek kind of way way we are going to go about doing that is basically at 1st we are going to start on the basics and that is where i am going to need you guys the user interface designers and the the other designer that i can not remember the the i d and the u i d right the industrial designer hey right on alright getting into it there you go to guide me and guide us on this project cause you are going to be you are g you guys are the bottom you know you are like no you can not do that you can not have you know x and y at the same time and then we will work up from what is necessary to more like what would be good you know like i i think you guys probably got the same emails i did but the idea of yes a coffee pot needs to be able to hold coffee but it is also better if it is not like really cheap glass so that it if you touch it you hurt your hand or something like that and so we will work up from there and then we will meet on and talk about it and then finally we will incorporate as kind of the last stage you know where you guys build or tell me tell us what is possible and then you tell us what we can hope for and what way to go take the the the take the basics and make it nicer and then ov obviously the u i d and the i d you know you you can keep on the you know sort of at the cutting edge of how to get about maximizing what is possible to try t of sync it all up so that is the detailed design so it is a 3 stage kind of thing right so for now just for th the white board basically just to get used to it i have not tried it yet either i am just going to start and carry like 5 remotes around and just write down i am just going to write down one of the names of my desert disks you know if you if you were trapped on a desert island and you could only bring 5 c d s along with you name one of them that you could not all 5 if you want to write all 5 go for it but name one of them that you could 0 we skipped introductions nice i am a excellent project manager i am marty i went to uni at u c santa barbara and i am here working on a p h d in psychology yeah so i am sarah i went to michigan and i am here doing cultural studies and i am the marketing manager or something marketing yeah expert expert do not play yourself down expert fine expert that is me i am ron i once upon a time studied in victoria and i am the user interface designer i am nathan i am from california and i am here doing a masters degree in social anthropology where did you go to uni nathan u c l a 0 brilliant yeah cool my little brother goes there okay right so desert island disks so yeah so do we have to wait for you to write it down or are you going to tell us well i will t i no no yeah i am just going to write a couple of em down i am waiting to know see i am a big music fan i do not know if you guys are i am assuming everybody likes music to some lesser or greater extent but fair enough there is some other options if you are a t v slut like i am like smallville terrible television show but i happen to love it 0 smallville it is rubbish but i love it i went to high school with tom willing actually t the the main c the main character the guy wow yeah is he a wanker yeah very much so hell of a soccer player but a total bastard nonetheless he looks really tall like he has got to be like 66 yeah he is a big guy yeah yeah okay so i really like jeff buckley you guys heard of jeff buckley that is cool cause like not very many people have and 0 well i might as well throw a british person in there you can not go wrong with radiohead it is a r good call okay so it really works just like a pen only makes noises i think it is kinda weird anyway yeah interesting yeah you are like press and it is kinda cool you will see alright so whoever wants to get up next you can write down some telly that you watch or whatever you want i guess i will go next then go for it right on okay do not want to lose all my mikes plugged in here okay this is basically just pen practice huh w okay 0 you are much taller than me so i am going to write down here right now i am listening to a lot of somebody nobody is ever heard of chris bathgate local michigan folk singer really lame and nice wow what else did i bring with me probably classical to totally geek it out yeah i think okay yeah yeah and my family guy d v d s but we do not need to write that one down well yeah 0 family guy so yeah is not h has h do you watch the new season no are you getting it online or is it on sky i think i am going to start downloading it yeah yeah that would be nice alright think i am just going to put down 11 c d anybody no no fraid not no afro beat orchestra very cool afro beat orchestra yeah very cool fift s they like 15 members from brooklyn sounds nice and i am hoping to go to the concert in belgium in brussels in april 1st wow exciting yeah it is supposed to be in brussels anyways that would be thing i love about edinburgh 0 i did not even read those oops i should not admit that that is what a powerpoint presentation is for 0 wow it is they are designed specifically to ignore i it is th brilliant yeah it is the 5 by 5 i can not read that much ah yes yes yes okay i see that vomit yeah 0 it is so horrible yes love street pizza it is so brilliant i have seen more urine in this city than ever before i mean 0 my god i just came from glasgow and i am happy to say that there is the there is the same quantity approximately seriously there is more vomit there it is so minging i w it really is does yeah ready alright yep minging nice yeah i am going local slide it in there going local yeah i have to be here for 3 years so i might as well get the terminology right yeah fair enough i have already got more than i can keep track of and i am going to go home next week and everyone is going to be like 0 my god you are turning into one of those people no 0 have you been home yet they will be like say something british and you are like 0 shut up family i know i know huh 0 it should be interesting wait until i tell them i am not coming back let us see right you s you are going to stay here they are going to love that one probably or at least get a work visa for a while and then decide wow nice cause nice bad religion yeah that is the music i grew up listening to of course yeah yeah yeah 0 now i can think of so many other ones and so there well yeah that is why yeah that is how it works something i miss about my hometown i miss coffee burritos nice burritos 0 that cost less than £8 any thing that are like free 0 yeah 22 bucks where are you from in california by the way i grew up in san diego but yeah la jolla p b did you really what part yeah i am from san diego as well nice yeah 0 man but really i last lived in san francisco i have not lived in cali well i have not lived in southern california since i was 18 going to s like north carol i am sorry you you just can not get a better burrito than what is available in the s in san diego it is different cause in san diego th the tortillas are cooked on the grill and in northern california they steam them it must make all the difference yeah it really does well it is it is i there is other things too there is you just can not place it like i when i went to school in the u in santa barbara which is central california ah the mexican food is okay it is just not good like and yeah it is like 2 bucks like literally 2 bucks for this massive i miss yeah good call on that right yeah where you from in san diego just literally just metropolitan san diego i live like 5 minutes from the zoo okay so north park actually if you want to get real specific yeah my grandparents lived on 32nd yep close t do you know where clare de lune coffee shop is and yes on university yeah cafe forte yeah it is actually like literally half a mile from my house cool yeah pretty cool small world as we were discussing before yeah especially when we are all from the same general region right so okay success on the whiteboard there you go you can harness the awesome power a little bit introductions we talked about some of our c d s and things we like about the city you know i think we will wow right so moving on to not fun stuff project finance basically what we are trying to do is sell this remote for €25 this is what the finance department has told me the c f 0 but i do not know i am not sold on this it is pretty dear i mean 20 f that is like you know 40 bucks for a remote it would have to pretty much like do my laundry for me so what we can maybe work on that a later but we are going to make a lot on it the profit aims to make €50000000 on it eur internationally so one of the things i i was going to mention to you you guys the designers is that it m we probably need a rever it needs to be a universal remote control probably okay so something that could do n t s c as well as pal as well as various other formats like if it is going to control d v d s but you know i will leave that to you guys but that is something that i i it is going to be an international sold thing makes sense but we want to try to make it for 1250 so we want to try to make a 100% profit on it if we can s right so just to close up i am not sure how much time i have used next time right project manager sorted is we will meet in another half an hour or so and i would like the industrial designer to get ge think about what needs to be done like what the basic function of it u i d well yeah you right g your assignments are up there and you will also get s assignments from in your email as well more spec specifics on what do do basic and so i need you to tell us what we what the user is going to want what they are looking for so actually in a way you guys c maybe in our next meeting chat a bit about what the user is going to want and what the user can have you know like so and negotiate that yeah well it is and we will discuss the trade offs in between so yeah specific instructions will be sent in your email but i think that that is more or less a good place to start for now and as more things come up we will have meetings and you will get emails and so forth any questions before we get started i assume that we are building a stand alone remote control we can not kind of build it into other products you mean to like for instance like a mobile phone or something like that sounds interesting yeah i do not think there is any rules about it yet so maybe our personal coach will have something to say about that yeah or or you know can we produ can we sell a remote control phone for £25 or less well have a think about it i mean i am i am certainly op it seems like yeah it it seems like it is certainly do able is not it yep okay w yeah i mean or if we can not have a full mobile phone maybe a remote that has some other kind of useful function yeah the clapper no i mean no good idea good idea we will see what see what maybe a remote with changeable faces like the faces that you can buy for phones nice i like the little cover thingies huh y i like that yeah hot yeah that is true i guess we we probably have some time maybe we should brainstorm a bit like what we want to do go back to i do not really have any let me bring up something about our basic goals here what we want to accomplish project announcement ts ts ts yeah not so much all right we will find them we are on our own now are we also discussing kind of our initial ideas at all here yeah yeah let us do it let us do s does anybody have any initial ideas i am going to go ahead and take notes on this too cause good idea start your minutes yeah i mean 0 yeah right so initial ideas well it is pretty much given it is going to be universal right we decided that already and it may be functioning for other things yeah as soon as you said that i was thinking like all the other things you could get a remote to do like your microwave or your front door or like to have everything on one thing yeah but then i have never been a fan of those huge remotes that have like a 1000000 buttons you can not tell what they do s smaller is better simple yeah but i am thinking i am thinking kind of p d a design so touch screen design rather than button so that you can kind of flip around all sorts of different things specific okay 0 right that would be different interesting yeah that is slick is not it i mean like stylist yeah like a just a yeah true right so we got 5 minutes more to chat about this perfect so we have got this kind of an idea of a trade off between size and functionality and we also right we want it to be munt multifunctional but at the same time if you get it to do too much you are not going to be able to tell them apart yeah too confusing it is going to be too complicated too crowded with buttons and things that whole yeah i am also going to note for future reference this idea of so you like maybe like an l like a touch screen type of remote possibly i do not think one exists an interesting option be a good idea needs it needs one outstanding feature to set it apart from all the other remotes yeah definitely yeah all the other universal remotes i do not know if there is such a thing out there i guess we could do some do some research on or one of us could do some research on it about whether or not there are multi format like you know pal n t s c region one right i am pretty sure there is i mean i i have a friend who has a p d a that he just points at his telev any television he wants and it will figure out the the specifications of it and will control it so i th i assume that that can be done with kind of around the world okay okay that yeah interesting awesome okay yeah okay okay all right so i li i am liking that idea this idea of a touch screen remote with multi format features right let us see i think making it out of a nice material would be very important because so many of those remotes that you see these universal remotes look so cheap and low quality yeah yeah keeping it nice and slick would be important and i do not know like there is such a problem with losing them that adding this whole like p d a pen business is only one more thing to lose so we are going to have to be careful with what like 0 just something like keep in mind when we start actually dealing with this stuff but that would be really cool let us see i like the idea of the multi plate yeah yeah okay yeah fi b like what are they called those face plate things in in is not there a name for them think they are just called face plates are they something we will have to come up with a name patent it i do not know i dunno i like we should c we should come up with a fuzzy one as well yeah something really cool leopard print or something for those cold winter days leopard print i think it would not be such a bad idea to have a like a locator device maybe a simple button that you have on your television to help you find your remote true but if we are bundling it unless we are selling their telly with the remote right well if we bundle it as a phone then you can always call it true if you are not doing that then we can have something that just kind of rings from either well there used to be those whistling devices but that is a little bit annoying true right cou could we not do something where like just a little lit like literally just a very small kind of thing that comes with the remote that you could place something else that you press and it makes the remote page kinda like how on a lot of cordless regular phones you have a page button and it goes could we do something like that th right yeah yeah right i think so that is cool probably i think we could design into that yeah good yeah i think this material quality as well like i guess what we can think about what kind of you know apple has been really successful with this surgical white kind of business or this sleek kind of you know yeah and that titanium the new silver sleek ones that is last couple of years very much so yeah curves yeah we do have the minimum am amount i mean we were talking finances i dunno selling a a £40 remote would h or a $40 remote €25 remote would be pretty you know it is pretty expensive so maybe we might want to trade off some of the features for a lower price right without without getting into that whole like you know go down to bargain store remote you know bargain store universal remote that is black and you know m massive right yeah some kind of i dunno a balance there in somewhere definitely but have a think about what we can do have a think about what we want to do how we are going to sell it and yeah or if you our users in mind like these grandmas are not going to be into this whole new let us design no it is they are used to the buttons so we will have to be careful of exactly who we are marketing this to yeah and who we are going to be able to get it out of is true but we are talking £25 or €25 €25 euros slight difference i guess yeah they are all weaker than they are all stronger than the dollar although computer parts all if you are going to upgrade your computer buy it in the states like do you guys know fry is huge computer electronics store no they serve right they sa tha s they will sell things overseas so you can buy stuff in america and have it shipped over for like £2030 about right so let us go ahead and wrap that up here for now i am going to put these initial ideas that we have got in the project documents so if you guys wa need a reminder about what we have talked about the different you know kind of trade offs that we have got and the other ideas okay okay you can consult them at your leisure and right so thanks for that let us just head back to work on what we were talking about bef goi h h getting into with half an hour yes kay perfect thanks guys cool thank you alright" ]

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[ "i am going to try about it he is kind of okay how we are placed in terms of the you are okay i guess i should probably try to sit up straight like that okay cool okay i think mine is falling off it is fell it is well it is really hard to drink coffee okay okay okay right so i am just going to start this powerpoint real quick yeah powerpoint it is very official yeah well you know yeah i kind of like this i am kind of getting into it right so just to kick off the meeting basically so we are working now for a real reaction this is 0 so right just got an agenda to set out agenda to set out what we are going to try to accomplish in this particular 1st meeting we are going to just do a quick opening and we can hopefully all get acquainted with one another then we are going to start to talk a little bit about tool training essentially that means getting used to the only thing that we have not tried out yet the whiteboard we have got a general plan for the project how we are going to go about accomplishing this and then just a bit of discussion and close up irl you know gamer slang in real life so yeah basically i want to i am just going to you got of course we can discuss that i am thinking about proposing that since we have got this weird blend of ourselves and our roles that we just do not ask do not tell so if you say something about marketing right sort of you are just going to believe me let us go from there exactly i mean if you guys then at the same time if you like logically if something does not like if i am like we are going to sell a remote control that is the size of this paper book you know you say like well that does not seem like such a good idea because of x obviously go with it and we will discuss it but i am not going to ask do you know that or it seems like prove it yeah yeah exactly so because we are sort of role playing you are going to tap into your own knowledge as well and that is the same for your when we do introductions i mean and you talk about your background you know have fun you know maybe you went to you know maybe you are like me and you went to ucsb but you want to say you went to harvard or something like that why not you know you can this is you know i guess we can have a little bit of fun with it so are you guys okay with that does that seem logical 0 yeah that is fine works for me sweet cool so i guess the we are totally we are making a remote control which is thrilling but the idea is that we can make something based on the whole corporate motto i do not know if you guys had time to check the in real life i do not know if you guys check the corporate website we have got to make something as fashionable as possible that is kind of the corporate strategies we are going to try to take ordinary stuff that nobody really thinks about and try to make it nice you know like john lewis nice or you know if you go to dev ms or something so basically we are reinventing the wheel but we want to try to do it in a user friendly slick sleek kind of way where we are going to go about doing that is basically 1st we are going to start on the basics and that is where i am going to need you guys user interface designers and the other designer that i can not remember the id and the uid right the industrial designer hey right on i am getting into it to guide me and guide us on this project because you are going to be you guys are the bottom you know you are like no you can not do that you can not have you know x and y at the same time and then we will work up from what is necessary to more like what would be good you know like i think you guys probably got the same email as i did but the idea of yes a coffee pot needs to be able to hold coffee but it is also better if it is not like really cheap glass so that if you touch it you hurt your hand or something like that and so we will work up from there and then we will meet on it and talk about it and then finally we will incorporate as kind of the last stage in a way you guys build or tell me to tell us what is possible and then you tell us what we can hope for and take the basics and make it nicer and then obviously the uid and the id you know you can keep on the cutting edge of how to get about maximizing what is possible to try to sync it all up so that is a detail design so it is a 3 stage kind of thing right so for now just for the whiteboard basically just to get used to it i have not tried it yet either i am just going to start i carry like 5 remotes around and just write down i am just going to write down one of the names of my desert disks if you were trapped on a desert island and you can only bring 5 cds along with you name one of them that you could not all 5 if you want to write all 5 go for it but name one of them that you could 0 we skipped introductions nice i am an excellent project manager i am marty i went to uni at ucsense santa barbara and i am here working on a phd in psychology yeah so i am sarah i went to michigan and i am here in cultural studies and i am a marketing manager or something marketing expert expert do not play yourself down expert that is me i am ron i once upon a time studied in victoria and i am the user interface designer i am nathan i am from california and i am here doing a master is degree in social anthropology where would you go to uni david ucla 0 brilliant cool my little brother goes there okay right so desert island disks yeah so do we have to wait for you to write it down are you going to tell us well i will no no yeah i am just going to write a couple of them down see i am a big music fan i do not know if you guys are i am assuming everybody likes music at some lesser greater extent but there is some other options if you are a tv slut like i am like smallville terrible television show but i happen to love it is rubbish but i love it i went to high school with tom willing actually the main guy wow yeah is he a wanker yeah very much so hell of a soccer player but a total bastard he looks really tall he has got to be like 66 he is a big guy okay so i really like jeff buckley you guys heard of jeff buckley that is cool because not very many people have and 0 well i might as well throw a british person in there you can not go wrong with radiohead i am sure good call okay so it really works just like a panel and it makes noises i think it is kind of weird yeah yeah you like pressing goes you will see all right so whoever wants to get up next you can write down some tell you that you watch or whatever you want i guess i will go next to that right on okay lose all my mics plugged in here okay this is basically just pen practice huh okay 0 you are much taller than me so i am going to write down here right now i am listening to a lot of somebody who is ever heard of chris bathgate local michigan folk singer nice wow really lame and what else did i bring with me probably classical to totally geeky okay yeah yeah yeah i think and my family guy dvds we do not need to write that one down 0 family guy do you watch the new season no are you getting it online or is it on sky i think i am going to start downloading it yeah yeah that would be nice all right i think i am just going to put down one one cd anybody afro beat afro beat orchestra very cool afro beat orchestra yeah very cool they are like 15 members from brooklyn and i am hoping to go to the concert in deliq belgium wow exciting yeah it is supposed to be brussels anyway the thing i love about edinburgh 0 i did not read those i should not admit that that is what a powerpoint presentation is for they are designed specifically to ignore it is brilliant it is the 5 by 5 i can not read that much ah yes yes it is okay vomit yes street pizza that is so brilliant it is so horrible i have seen more urine in this city 0 it is so horrible ever before seriously but i just came from glasgow and i am happy to say that there is a same quantity approximately it is so mingan it really is does yeah you ready all right yep mingin nice yeah i am going local slides in there i am going local i have to be here for 3 years so i might as look at the terminology right i have already got more than i can keep track of them i am going to go home next week and everyone is like 0 my god you are turning into one of those people have you been home yet no they will be like say something british and you are like 0 shut up family i know 0 it should be interesting wait until i tell them i am not coming back you are going to love that one you are going to stay here probably or at least get a work piece of for a while and then decide bad religion yeah this is the music i grew up listening to of course yeah yeah yeah now i can think of so many other ones well yeah that is why that is how it works yeah something i miss about my husband i miss coffee bredos britos that costs less than 0 yeah 2 bucks anything that are like free where are you from in california by the way i grew up in san diego but did you really what park la jolla pee b yeah i am from san diego beachy yeah but really i last lived in san francisco i have not lived in cal well i have not lived in southern california since i was 18 going to like norcal i am sorry you just can not get a bit of breedo than what is available in san diego it is different because in san diego the tortillas are cooked on the grill northern california they steam them it must make all the difference yeah it really does well there is other things too you just can not place it like when i went to school in santa barbara which is central california the mexican food is okay it is just not good and yeah it is like 2 bucks like literally 2 bucks for this massive i miss yeah good call on that yeah where are you from in san diego just literally just metropolitan san diego i live like 5 minutes from the zoo okay so north park actually if you want to get real specific yeah my grandparents lived on 32nd yep close to do you know where a clair de loon coffee shop yes on university yeah fe forte yeah it is actually like literally half a mile from my house cool yeah pretty cool small world as we were discussing before especially when we are all from the same general region right so okay success on the white board you can harness the awesome power a little bit introductions we talked about some of our cds and things we like about the city i think we will right so moving on to not fun stuff project finance basically what we are trying to do is sell this remote for €25 this is what the finance department has told me the cfo but i do not know i am not sold on this it is pretty dear i mean that is like you know 40 bucks for a remote it would have to pretty much do my laundry for me so we can maybe work on that later but we are going to make a lot on it the profit aims to make €50000000 on it you are internationally so one of the things i was going to mention to you you guys the designers is that we probably need a it needs to be a universal remote control probably okay so something that could do ntsc as well as pal as well as various other formats like if it is going to control dvds but you know i will leave that to you guys but that is something that is going to be international sold thing but we want to try to make it for $1250 so we want to try to make 100% profit on it if we can so right so just to close up i am not sure how much time i have used it next time right project manager sorted is we will meet another half an hour or so and i would like the industrial design or get think about what needs to be done like what the basic function of it uid well yeah your assignments are up there and you will also get assignments from in your email as well more specifics on what to do basically so i need you to tell us what we what the user is going to want so actually in a way you guys maybe in our next meeting chat a bit about what the user is going to want and what the user can have you know about can you negotiate that yeah well it is and we will discuss the trade offs in between so yeah specific instructions will be sent in your email but i think that that is more or less a good place to start for now and as more things come up we will have meetings and you will get emails and so forth any questions before we get started i assume that we are building a standalone remote control we can not kind of build it into other products for instance like a mobile phone sounds interesting yeah i do not think there is any rules about it yet maybe you are a personal coach yeah or you know can we sell a remote control phone for £25 for us well have a think about it i mean i am certainly open it seems like yeah it seems like it is certainly doable is not it i mean or if we can not have a full mobile phone maybe a remote that has some other kind of useful function the clap no i mean no good idea good idea maybe a remote with changeable faces like face is like face sleep bye for the house i like that i like that hot yeah that is true i guess we probably have some time maybe we should brainstorm a bit like what we want to do go back to i do not really have any let me bring up something about our basic goals here what we want to accomplish project announcements yeah not so much all right we will find that we are on our own now are we also discussing kind of our initial ideas at all yeah yeah let us do let us do does anybody have any initial ideas i am going to go ahead and take notes on this too because good idea start 2 minutes yeah i mean i do not know so initial ideas it is pretty much given it is going to be universal yeah we decided that already and it may be functioning for other things as soon as you said that i was thinking like all the other things you can not get a remote to like your microwave or your front door like to have everything on one thing but then you have never been a fan of those huge remotes that have like a 1000000 buttons you can not tell what they do smaller is better simple i am thinking i am thinking kind of pda design so touchscreen design rather than button 0 right so that you can kind of flip around all sorts of different things yeah that is slick is not it i mean like stylist you know sure yeah all right so we got 5 minutes more to chat about that that is perfect so we have got this kind of an idea of a trade off between size and functionality right and we also we want to be multifunctional but at the same time if you get to do too much you are not going to be able to tell them apart it is going to be too complicated too crowded buttons and things i am also going to note for future reference this idea of so you like remember like a touchscreen type of remote possibly i do not think one exists it needs one outstanding feature to set it apart from all the other units yeah all the other universal remotes i do not know if there is such thing out there i guess we will do some research on or one of us can do some research on it about whether or not there are multi format like you know pal ntsc region one right i am pretty sure there is i mean i have a friend who has a pda okay that he just points at any television he wants and it will figure out the specifications of it and we will control it interesting i assume that that can be done with going around the world okay all right so i am liking that idea this idea of a touch screen remote with multi format features right let us see i think making it out of a nice material would be very important because so many of those remotes that you see these universal remotes look so cheap and low quality yeah keeping it nice and slick would be important and i do not know like there is such a problem with losing them that adding this whole like pda pen business is only one more thing to lose so we are going to be careful of what like just something like keep in mind when we start actually dealing with this stuff but that would be really cool let us see i like the idea of the multi plate yeah what are they called those faceplate things they are just called face plates are they i do not know i like we will have to complain we should come up with a fuzzy one as well lepard winter days i think it would not be such a bad idea to have a locator device maybe a simple button that you have on your television to help you find your remote true but if we are bundling it unless we are selling the telly with the remote right well if we bundle it as a phone then you can always call it if you are not doing that then we can have something that just kind of ring that just kind of rings from either well there used to be those whistling devices but that is a little bit annoying could we not do something where like just a little like literally just a very small kind of thing that comes with the remote that you can place somewhere else that you press and it makes the remote page kind of like how on a lot of cordless regular phones you have a page button could we do something like that that is cool i think so i think we could design it yeah good yeah i think this material quality as well like i guess we can think about what kind of you know apple has been really successful with this surgical white kind of business or a sleek kind of you know and that titanium the new silver sleek ones the last couple years yeah pretty much so curves yeah we do have the minimum amount i mean we were talking finances i do not know selling a £40 remote or a $40 remote $25 year a remote would be pretty you know it is pretty expensive so maybe we might want to trade off some of the features for a lower price without without getting into that whole like you know go down to bargain store remote you know bargain store universal remote that is black and you know massive some kind of i do not know a balance there in somewhere definitely but have a think about what we can do have a think about what we want to do how we are going to sell it and our users in mind like these grandmas are not going to be into this whole new let us design remote they are used to the buttons so we will have to be careful of exactly who we are marketing this too and who we are going to be able to get it out of it is true but we are talking £25 or €25 €25 they are all weaker than they are all starts longer than the dollar although computer parts if you are going to upgrade your computer buy it in the states like do you guys know fries a huge computer electronic store they serve or they say they will sell things overseas so you can buy stuff in america and have it shipped over for like 20 or £30 like that right so let us go ahead and wrap that up here for now i am going to put these initial ideas that we have got in the project documents so if you guys need a reminder about what we have talked about the different kind of tradeoffs that we have got and the other ideas you can consult them at your leisure and right so thanks for that let us just head back to work on what we were talking about before getting into is it half an hour yes okay perfect thanks guys cool thank you all right thank you" ]

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[ "kay okay gosh kay does anyone want to see steve is feedback from the specification is there much more in it than he d i i dry read it the last time right is there much more in it than he said yesterday not really just what he is talking about like duplication of effort and like duplication of effort and stuff and yeah he was saying that we should maybe think about having a prototype for week 6 which is next week next week yeah so we should probably prioritize our packages yeah now i would say if for the prototype if we just like wherever possible p chunk in the stuff that we have pre annotated and stuff and for the stuff that we do not have pre annotated write like a stupid baseline then we should probably be able to basically that means we focus on on the interface 1st sort of so that we we take the the ready made parts and just see how we get them work together in the interface the way we want and and then we have a working prototype and then we can go back and replace pieces either by our own components or by more sophisticated compo po components of our own so it is probably feasible yeah the thing is i am away this weekend yeah so that is for me yeah i mean if we just want to have some data for the user face could even be random data 0 yeah yeah yeah no but also i might like the the similarity thing like my just my matrix itself for my stuff i c i i think i can do that fairly quickly because i have the algorithms yeah i am yeah i think today is meeting is really the one where we where we sort of settle down the data structure and as soon as we have that yeah probably like after today is meeting we then actually need to well go back 1st of all and look at nite x m l to see in how far that that which we want is compatible with that which nite x m l offers us and then just sort of everyone make sure everyone understand the interface yeah so i think if today we decide on what data we want to have now and and later maybe even today we go and look at nite x m l or some of us look at nite x m l in a bit more detail just trying to make some sense of that code and see how does the representation work in their system and then sort of with that knowledge we should be able to then say okay that type of nite x m l data we want to load into it and this is how everyone can access it and then we should be able to go from there has has anyone actually looked at the java code for the huh no no i have looked looked at the documentation and n like seen enough to make me think that we want to use the nite x m l framework because they have a good a event model that synchronizes sort of the data and and every display element so that takes a lot of work away from us sort of that would be a reason for staying within their framework and using their general classes but beyond that i have not looked at it at all which is something we should really do yeah i think so who actually like for this whole discussion i mean who of us is doing stuff that is happening on line and who of us is doing stuff that is happening off line like my data is coming c the basic word importance is off line as well yeah the combined measure might not be if we want to wait what the user has typed in into the search okay okay mine is going to be mostly using the off line but the actual stuff it is doing will be on line but it will not be very processor intensive or memory intensive i do not think kay so basically apart from the display module the i the display itself we do not have an extremely high degree of interaction between sort of our modules that create the stuff and and the interface so the interface is mainly while it is running just working on data that is just loaded from a file i guess there is not yeah i i do not know about the search functionality that might be online depends how it is going to work yeah i know th yeah the search is i guess the search is sort of a strange beast anyway because for the search we are leaving the nite x m l framework yeah but that is still sort of that is good that means that at least like we do not have the type of situation where somebody has to do like a 1000000000 calculations on on data on line cause that would make it a lot more like that would mean that our interface for the data would have to be a lot more careful about how it performs and and everything and nobody is modifying that data at at on line time at all it seems nobody is making any changes to the actual data on line do not think so so that is actually making it a lot easier that basically means our browser really is a viewer mostly yeah which is not doing much with the data except for sort of selecting a piece piece of it and and displaying it are we still going to go for dumping it into a database are we still going to dump it into a database well some parts relevant for the search yes i would say so cause if we are i reckon we should all read our classes out of the database it will be so much easier well if we are going to dump the part of it into a database anyway we might as well dump all the fields we want into the database calculate everything from there then we do not even have to worry that much about the underlying x m l representation we can just query it yeah but nobody of us is doing much of searching from the data in the on line stage and for all together like the display itself i think we are easier if we if it is sitting on the x m l than if it is sitting on the s q l stuff because if it is sitting on the x m l we have the the nite x m l framework with all its functionality for synchronizing through all the different levels whenever there is a change whenever something is moving forward and stuff and we can just more or less look at their code like how their player moves forward and how that moving forward is represented in different windows and stuff so i think in the actual browser itself i do not want to sit on the s q l if we can sit on the x m l because sitting on the x m l we have all we have so much help and for y for like the p the calculations that we are doing apart from the search it seems that everyone needs some special representations anyway well if we are going to do that we should try and store everything in in an x m l format as well you mean our results yeah yeah in in the nite x m l x m l format so with their time stamps and stuff so that it is easy to to tie together saint things yes yeah what i am like what we have to think about is if we go with this multi level idea like this idea that sort of if you start with a whole meeting series as one entity as one thing that you display as one whole sort of that then the individual chunks of the individual meetings whereas and then you can click on a meeting and then sort of the meeting is the whole thing and the chunks are the individual segments that means sort of we have multiple levels of of representation which we probably if we if we do it this way like we f we have to discuss that if we do it this way then we should probably find some abstraction model so that the interface in the sense like deals with it as if it is same so that the interface does not really have to worry whether it is a meeting in the whole meeting series or a segment within a meeting you know what i mean yes and that is probably stuff that we have to sort of like process twice then like for example that like the summary of a meeting within the whole meeting corpus or meeting series y is meeting series a good word for that i do not really know what how to call it you know what i mean like not not the whole corpus but every meeting that has to do with one topic yeah that makes sense so in in the meeting se series so that a summary for a meeting within the meeting series are sort of compiled off line by a summary module and that is separate from a summary of a segment within a meeting cause i do not think we can i am not so sure well we do not even need to do that cause if we got our information density calculated off line so all we do is treat the whole lot as one massive document i mean they will it is not going to be so big that we can not load in a information density for every utterance and we can just summarize based on that i i thought we would just have like one big summary with all the different importance levels displayed on it and depending on what our zoom level is we just display a part of it so are we doing that at all levels are we and we would have one very big thing off line and from that we would just select what we are displaying and just have different like fine grainedness levels sort of yes so for example you would give a high value to those sequences you want to display in the meeting series summary kay so the only thing that yeah so the only thing that would happen basically if i double click let us say from the whole meeting series on a single meeting and you just cut off is that the zoom level changes like the th the start and the end position changes and the zoom level changes that was what i sh i thought yeah i think you can do it on line i i thought we could not do that i thought like i was under the impression that we could not do that because we could not load the data for all that but i do not know i mean that i do not think there is really much point in doing like that when it is just going to feed off in the end the information density measure basically and that is all calculated off line so what you are really doing is sorting a list is the p computationally hard part of it so i am s not sure if i got it i was well like the ideas we are calculating are information density all off line 1st for every utterance in the whole corpus right so what you do is you say if you are looking at a series of meetings you just say well our whole document comprises of all these stuck together and then all you have to do is sort them by j information density like maybe weighted with the search terms and then extract them okay so i do not think it is too slow to do on line to be honest okay i wa i was just worried about the total memory complexity of it but i i completely admit i mean i just sort of like th took that from some thing that jonathan once said about not loading everything but maybe i was just wrong about it how many utterances w is that but i think the m difference might be that we want just want to have the words and that is not so much what he meant with not possibly loading everything was that you m load all the annotation stuff yeah and i w yeah yeah yeah all the sound files all yeah yeah so what we have is we would have a word like we would have words with some priority levels and they would basically be because even the selection would would the summaries automatically feed from just how prioritized an individual word or how indiv prioritized an individual utterance is or i are the summaries sort of refined from it and made by a machine to make sentences and stuff or are they just sort of taking out the words with the highest priority and then the words of the 2nd highest priority well on the utterance level i was thinking so the utterances with the highest like mean information density and the u okay are we doing it on th the whole thing on the utterance level in or are we doing it on word level like the information density calculation well the trouble with doing it on the word level is if you want the audio to synch up you have got no way of getting in and extracting just that word i mean it is impossible we i think we have start and end times for words actually but it is yeah for every single word yeah but it m it might s but it might sound crazy in the player 0 okay we should really maybe we can do that together at some point today that we check out how the player works yeah i do not think that will do it but there is maybe some merit in altogether doing it on an utterance level in the end we will have to buffer it i r i i am getting quite lost at the moment because w what is our difference between the se the importance measure and the skimming so i mean do we do both or is it the same thing well the skimming is going to use the importance yeah okay but like at 1st it is just going to be i d f so but when when we talk about summaries you talk about this abo about skimming and not about well mostly skimming yeah well but also about the displays i mean the displays in the in the text body in the in the latest draft that we had sort of we came up with the idea that it is not displaying utterance for utterance but it is also displaying a summarized version in you know like below the below the graph the part yeah maybe yeah r yeah right is not that the skimming is not that the skimming 0 yeah f it is just like there there is like audio skimming and there is displayed skimming yeah but it use the same data yeah yeah ma maybe there is some merit of going altogether for utterance level and not even bother to calculate i mean if you have to do it internally then you can do it but maybe like not even store the importance levels for individual words and just sort of rank utterances as a whole well the nice thing about that is it will automatically be in sentences well more or less yeah so it will make more sense and if you get just extract words cause it it might be better skimming and less memory required at the same time and i mean if you if you know how to do it for individual words then you can just in the worst case if you can not find anything else just sort of make the mean of the words over the utterance you know what i mean i am not quite so what it did you want to do it i you just wanted to assign w it is it is well what is the smallest chunk at the moment you are thinking of of assigning an importance measure to is it a word or is it an utterance i thought about words so we are thinking of like maybe just storing it on a per utterance level because it is it is less stuff to store probably for dave in the in the audio playing and for in the display it is probably better if you have whole utterances than i do not know like what it is like if you just take single words out of utterances yeah that probably does not make any sense at all whereas if you just show important utterances but the utterance as a whole it makes more sense a yeah so it does not actually make a difference for your algorithm cause it just means that if you are working on a word level then we just mean it over the utterance and yeah i think we also thought about combining that measure with the measures i get from s hot spots and so on okay they are on so that would also be on utterance level i think 0 so that is good anyway then yeah i think i see it because that makes it a lot easier than to t put it on utterance level but it will need to be calculated at word level though because otherwise there will not be enough occurrences of the terms to make any meaningful sense 0 yeah no but i mean like how how jasmine does it internally i do not know but it is probably yeah you probably have to work on word levels for importance yeah but there should be ways of easily going from a word level to an utterance level yeah i reckon you can just mean it over the sentence okay yeah but how about those words which do not carry any meaning at all the and uhs and something like that yeah prob because if we if we average average over over a whole utterance all the words i think we should filter them and there are quite unimportant words in there but quite important words as well i think we should just disregard the the maybe we should have like a cut off so it a w word only gets a value if it is above a certain threshold so anything that has less than say nought 5 importance gets assigned to 0 okay alright well we do a pre filtering of sort of the whole thing yeah that is the other th sort of like but that like the problem with that is it is easy to do in the text level but that would mean it would still play the in your audio unless we sort of also store what pieces we cut out for the audio yeah yeah i think before we can like answer that specific question how we c deal with that it is probably good for us to look at what the audio player is capable of doing i think we will have to buffer the audio but i do not think it will be very hard yes i think it would be like an hour or 2 is work so what do you mean by buffering like you think directly feeding like just build an another f wave file essentially yeah you just concatenate them together but yeah but not but not stored on the hard disk and then loaded in but loaded in directly from memory yeah i mean i bet there would be packages in memory yeah so just like unp there is bound to be like a media wave object or something like that and just build one in memory but it is probably a stream if it exists in java it would be probably some binary stream going in of some type i do not know i have no idea okay yeah but it must have like classes for dealing with files and if it has classes for concatenating files you can do it in memory okay okay so i mean so that means that there is probably even if you go on an per utterance level so there is still some merit on within utterances cutting out stuff which clearly is not relevant at all and that maybe also for the audio we would have to do so let us say we play the whole au phrase but then in addition to that we have some information that says minus that part of something that is okay that we can do well what i think i might try and build is basically a class that you just feed it a linked list of different wave forms and it will just string them all together with maybe i do not know 10th of a 2nd silence in between each one or something like that yeah maybe even i mean that is sort of that depends on how how advanced we get if maybe if we realize that there is massive differences in in gain or in something you can probably just make some simple simple normalization but that really depends on how much time we have and and how much is necessary normalize it yeah yeah if like i d i do not know anything about audio and i have never seen the player so if you find that the player accepts some n input from memory and if it is easy to do then i guess that is that is fairly doable so but that means in the general structure we are actually quite lucky so we we have we load into memory for the whole series of meetings just the utterances and rankings for the utterances and some information probably that says well the i guess that goes with the utterance who is speaking 0 yeah yeah we will need that yes sure because then we can also do the display about who is speaking we also really want to be able to search by who is speaking as well yeah but i am i am still confused cause i thought like that is just what jonathan said we do c that we can not do like load a massive document of that size it does not matter cause all the calculation is done off line on the other hand the other hand i mean it should not be like should be like 50 mega byte in ram or something it should not be massive should it actually 5000 megabyte is quite big in ram just thinking what is the simp so we do get an error message with the project if we load everything into the project with all the data they load so we know that does not work so our hope is essentially that we load less into it yes yeah what is this lazy loading thing somebody explain lazy loading to me it just means it loads on demand it only loads when it needs a particular type of file like when it is being accessed ah okay so that is that only by type of file like if if if the same thing is in different files would it then maybe like you know if if utterances are split over 3 or 10 or w 100 different files is then a chance maybe that it does not try to load them all into memory at the same time but just yeah i think that is the idea it just loads the particular ones it needs so why does it fail then in the 1st place then it should not ever fail because then it should never but if you were doing a search over the whole corpus you would have to load them all yeah but yeah but it it it failed right when you load it right the nite x m l kit so that is interesting yes right oops it does so i define baseline and what it loads for example it loads all the utterances and so on but it does not load the discourse acts and for example not the and what is what else there not the summaries it only loads those on demand let us check that out i will p i will probably ask jonathan about it so alternatively if we realize we can not do the whole thing in one go we can probably just process some sort of meta data you know what i mean like sort of sort of for the whole series chunks representing the individual meetings or some like something that represents the whole series in in a v in a structure very similar to the structure in which we represent individual meetings but with data sort of always combined from the whole series so instead of having an single utterance that we display it would probably be like that would be representing a whole topic a segment in a meeting and sort of so that wi using the same data saint y you mean that you basically split up th the big thing into different summaries for example that you have a very top level summary and a separate file for for each level well in a sense i am i am thinking of in a sense of like creating a virtual a virtual meeting out of the whole meeting series sort of that is easy you just like create a new x m l document in memory yeah sort of like off line create a virtual meeting which which basically treats the meeting series as if it was a meeting and treats the individual meetings within the series as if they were segments and treats the individual segments within meetings as if they were utterances you know so we just sort of we shift it one level up and in that way we could probably use the same algorithm and just like make vir like one or 2 ifs that say okay if you are on a whole document a whole series level and that was a double click then do not just go into that segment but load a new file or something like it but in general use the same algorithm that would be an alternative if we can not actually load the whole thing and cause also like even if we maybe this whole like maybe i am worrying too much about the whole series in one thing display because actually i mean probably users would not view that one too often i do not think it is really that much of a problem because if it is too big what we can do is just well all the off line stuff does not really matter and all we can do is just process a bit at a time like for summarisation say we wanted a 100 utterances in the summary just look at the meeting take the top 100 utterances in each other meeting if it scores higher than the ones already in the summary so far just replace them and then you only have to process one meeting at a time yeah but i am i am still worried like for example for the display if you actually if you want a display like for the whole series the information density levels based on and and the f and the only granularity you have is individual utterances that means you have to through every single utterance in a series of 70 hours of meetings okay so maybe we should build a b store a mean measure for the segments and meetings as well yeah yeah and if you make that structurally very similar to the the le like one level down like the way how we store individual utterances and stuff then maybe we can more or less use the same code and just make a few ifs and stuff yeah so so but still so in in general we are having we are having utterances and they have a score and that is as much as we really need and of cou and they also have a time a time information of course and speaker and a and a s and a speaker information yeah speaker and topic segmenting we will need as well yeah so an information which topic they are in yeah yeah and and probably separate to that an information about the different topics like that yeah so so the skimming can work on that because the skimming just sort of sorts the utterances and puts as many in as it needs well yeah and then it will f preserve the order when it is displayed the yeah yeah yeah it will it will play them in some order in which they were set because otherwise it is going to be more entertaining yeah but that that is enough data for the skimming and the the searching so what the searching does is the searching leaves the whole framework yeah i think so goes to the s q l database and gets like basically in the end gets just a time marker for where that is like that utterance that we are concerned with and then we have to find i am sure there is some way in in nite x m l to just say set position to that time mark and then it shifts the whole frame and it alerts every single element of the display and the display updates yeah we do not want it in to develop a little tree display as well for multiple results yeah yeah yeah but that would be quite easy to do that we can ju yeah but so so if if somethi so yeah so if in that tree display somebody clicks on something you just need to find the time stamp yeah and then you sort of feed the time stamp to and the nite x m l central manager and that central manager alerts everything that is there like alerts the skim like the the audio display yeah alerts the text display alerts the visual display and says we have a new time frame and then they all sort of do their update routines with respect to the current level of zoom so how much do they display and starting position at where the or maybe the mid position of it i do not know like w if start where the thing was found or if that thing wa was found it is in the middle of the part that we display that i do not know but that we can decide about but a general sort of it is the same thing if like whether you play and it moves forward or whether you jump to a position through search it is essentially for all the window handling it is the same event yeah it is only that the event gets triggered by the search routine which sort of push that into nite x m l and says please go there now so we should basically make our own x m l document in memory that everyone is module changes that rather than the underlying data and then have that x m l nite x m l document tied to the interface why do we have to do it in memory but that stuff is so well you can make it in a file if you want i mean like the information is coming from off line so we probably we do not even have to change the utterance document right because the whole way like the whole beauty of the nite x m l is that it ties together lots of different files so we can just create an additional x m l file which for every utterance like the utterances have i d s i presume some references so we just we tie p just a very short x m l file yeah yes which it is the only information it has that has whatever a number for for the weight for the information density and we just tie that to the existing utterances and tie them to the existing speaker changes but there is no i d for an utterance i think it is just for individual words so how do we do that then n no no it is f for we for utterances as well no you are right yeah i think it is just for one it is for word yeah i think i think those segments for each utterance are split up so we have to yeah think so well otherwise we probably have to go over it and like add some integer that we just increment from top to bottom sort of to every utterance as an as an i d some type or un or try to understand how nite x m l i d s work and maybe there is some special route we have to follow when we use these i d s yeah i am pretty sure it is already there it is alm pretty sure that is already there the the utterances are numbered yeah the the girl said the utterances themselves are not numbered at the moment i am not quite sure i have only seen that the the individual words have got an i d okay okay okay yeah so i guess that would be solvable if not yeah you always could have a look at the time stamps and then take the ones that belong together to form an utterance no i i think we would just take the segments that are already that were yeah there is this segments file sorry yeah if they are already there is it is easy but it would be possible okay you know the x m l segments okay yeah okay is that a board marker pen actually 0 that i do not know 0 yeah i think so that is just so like to make a list of all this stuff or we probably can somebody can do it on paper all these fancy pens so what so the stuff we have we have utterances and speakers and weights for utterances so for for every utterance sort of like the utterance has a speaker and a weight which is coming from outside or we just tie it to it and there is segments which they are utterances are not they the segments are utterances are not they ye that is the impression i get yeah 0 so sorry yeah yeah that is topic s topic segments i meant like they are they are a super unit alright okay so so the utterances are tied to topic segments 0 and if the time stamps are on a word level then we b somehow have to extract time stamps for utterances where they start there there are time stamps for well well that is easy segments and for th segments is for example when when you look at the data what is displayed in one line w what segments now okay what when when you look at it in the is the is that the same as utterances that is that the same as utterances that ye well it is close enough is not it i think so is not yeah it may not be exact every time but it is a so sort of size we are looking for for ex i i compared it with what i did for the pause duration extraction and basically it is words that are uttered in a sequence without pauses but sometimes however there are short pauses in it and they are indicated by square brackets pause or something in the data what so that is 0 right but that is 101 segment or is that 2 segments then someti but the annotators decided what was one segment and what was not yeah okay okay so but but generally utterances is that which we just called sorry segments is that which we just called utterances now like it is it is the sa it is sort of like one person is contribution at a time sort of thingy dingy i think so yeah yeah okay okay so yeah so we have those and and then we have some f field somewhere else which has topics topics yeah yeah and and a topic is basically they are just on the i d probably with a start time or something and and the utterances referenced to those topics i guess yeah i think that is the right one so the topics do not contain any redundant thing of like showing the whole topic again but they just sort of say a number and where they start and where they finish and the utterances then say which topic they belong to yeah but i think for some annotations an uttera ca utterance can have several types for example for the dialog acts and so on yeah no but i was thinking of the topic segmentation now and and f for that there would only be one okay yeah that should be for right because it is sort of like it is just a time window yeah should be yeah yeah so if this lazy loading works then this should definitely fit into i mean not memory then because it would not all be in memory at the same time so if we just have those sort of that information like a long list of all the utterances slash segments and like short or smaller lists which give weight to them and even though probably if there is a lot of over head in having 2 different files we can probably merge the weights into it off line you know what i mean like if if there is a lot of bureaucracy involved with having 2 different trees and whether one ties to the other because the one has the weight for the other yeah then it is probably quicker to just but why do not we just write it as a new x m l file can nite handle just loading arbitrary new like attributes and stuff i mean i would have thought they would make it able to yeah i thought that was the whole beauty that like you can just make a new x m l file and sort of tie that to the other and and it tre yeah so why do we need to have 2 x m l trees in memory at once 0 yeah so no i did not i did not mean tree no no i meant just like handling 2 different files internally sort of c i was just thinking you know like if if the overhead for having the same amount of data coming from 2 d files instead of from one file is massive then it would probably be for us easy to just like off line put the the weight into into the file that has the segments yeah segments slash utterances already but that we can figure out i mean if it is going horrendously wrong the other thing is that would mean we would be using their parser as well which means we would not have to parse anything which be quite nice yeah cause their parser is probably much faster than anything we have come up with anyway yeah yeah no we would we would be completely using like the whole infrastructure and basically just i mean the main difference really between our project and theirs really is that we load a different part of the data but otherwise we are doing it the same way that they are doing it so we just we are sort of running different types of queries on it we in a sense we i think we are running queries it is not just about what we load and what we do not load but we are l running queries in the sense that we dynamically select by by weights do not we that we have to check how fast that is like to say give us all the ones that whether that works with their query language whether that is too many results and whether we shou you know if cause if it i let us say i mean if if their query language is strange and if it would return b 10000000 results and it can not handle it then we can just write our individual components in the way that they know which what the threshold is so they still get all the data and just they internally say 0 no this is less than 3 and i am not going to display it or something yeah i mean we can process it in chunks if it gets too big basically we can just process it all in chunks if it gets too big to load it into memory yeah no i am just thinking for this whole thing of like a different level sort of cutting out different different pieces whether we do that through a query where we say give us everything that is ab above this and this weight or whether we skip the same infrastructure but every individual module like the player and the display say like they still get sort of all the different utterances all the different pieces but they say 0 this piece i leave out because it is below the current threshold level i think we probably want to store sorry i think we probably want to store a hierarchical information density as well so like an informan mation density score for each meeting and each topic segment cause otherwise we would be recalculating the same thing over and over and over again yeah that would be much more efficient to do that yeah yeah and that will obviously make it much easier to display when do we need the one for the meet well it may not for the whole meeting but like okay yeah i guess for the so when we have the display will we display the whole series then if we have for the individual topic segments within the meetings if we have ready calculated disp measures then we do not have to sort of extract that data from the individual utterances yeah exactly yeah and that is also fairly easy to store along with our segments is not it yeah for the segments are we extracting some type of title for them that we craft with some fancy algorithm or manually or we are just taking the single most highly valued key word utterance for the segment heading well we can start off like that well i was going to start off i have v got sort of half way through implementing one that does just i d f and then just i can change that to work on whatever it is probably like in in the end probably it would not be the best thing if it is just the high most highly ranked phrase or key word because like for example for an introduction that would most definitely not be anything that has any title anywhere similar to introduction or something yeah and it should be weighted by stuff like the hot spots and the key words in the search and stuff like that yeah also like for this part maybe if we go over it with named entity in the end if i mean w if one of the people doing dil has some named entity code to spare and just like at least for the for sort of for finding topics titles for for segments just take a named entity which has a really high what is it called d f i d f whatever cause you would probably be quite likely if they are talking about a conference or a person that that would be a named entity which is very highly fr frequented in that part did he not say something about named entities so i thought he said there was not very many yeah he said they are quite sparse so that basically was do not bother basing too much of your general calculation on it yeah but like especially if they are sparse probably individual named entities which describe what a what a segment is about would probably be quite good like if there is some name of some conference they would could probably say that name of the conference quite often even though he is right that they make indirect references to it anyway sorry you s you said you are currently in implementing the idea what exactly are you computing yeah it is not t f i d f it is just inverse document frequency okay cause it is really easy to do basically okay there is just like for a baseline really yeah you are able to do that in java yeah well i am half way through it is not working yet but it will do yeah so you are doing that on a on a per word level yeah okay and then averaging it over the utterances okay but it is not like related to the corpus at all it is just working on an arbitrary text file at the moment okay cool i was just wondering where you had the corpus from at the moment no huh so it it seems that the data structure is not a big problem and that basically we do not have to have all these massive discussions of how we exactly interact with the data structure because most of our work is not done with that data structure in memory in the browser but it is just done off line and everyone can ha represent it anyway they want as long as they sort of store it in a useful x m l representation in the end so like it would be useful to know how everyone is going to store their things though yeah that would mean understanding the nite x m l x m l sort of format in a lot more detail yeah we should i think we should just have a long session in the computer room together and like now that we know a bit more what we want take a closer look at nite x m l yeah well i have got like a few hours free yeah i have had a b i have had a look at the the topic segments how it is stored like after this and then yeah th those are few per meeting and it well it gives a time stamp and inside each one there is the actual like utterance segments and the list of them that occurred and they are all numbered so that is where that is stored good yeah i have not looked at this stuff much at all yeah so i guess if i am going to be segmenting it with a l c seg then that is like same format i would want to put it back out in so it would be equivalent yeah yeah who is who is sort of doing the the the central coordination of of of the browser application now like well like the integration what do you mean integration yeah or but also like all these elements like like the loading and yeah integration and and like handling the data loading and stuff i do not know i do not think anyone has been allocated to do that yet nah i am sort of like i think i will take over the display just because i have started with a bit and found it found it doable yeah yeah yeah definitely so somebody should sort of be the one person who is who understands most about what is t centrally going on with with the with the project like with the with the browser as a whole and where the data comes in and yeah any volunteers it is the most boring task it is also a complicated one yeah it c could be difficult yeah yeah yeah i know but b i guess we can do it like several people together it is probably just those people have to work together a lot and very closely and just make sure that they are always f understand what the other one is doing yeah well i guess the important thing is to get the crucial m modules built or at least simple versions of them ye yeah yeah or or ready made versions of them for that matter and yeah and then yeah and then we will maybe have to prioritize somebody into just integrating it yeah but i think actually like at the moment the integration comes 1st i mean it is sort of at the moment the building the browser comes 1st and then only comes the creating new sophisticated data chunks because that is sort of the whole thing about having a prototype system which is more or less working on on chunk data but it at least we have the framework in which we can then test everything and and look at everything cause before we have that it is going to be very difficult for anyone to really see how much the work that they are doing is making sense because you just well i guess you can see something from the data that you have in your individual x m l s files files that you create but it would be nice to have some basic system which just displays some stuff so maybe we should try doing something really simple like just displaying a whole meeting and like just being able to scroll through it or something like that or just adapt like their like just sort of go from their system and and adapt that piece for piece and see how we could yeah how we could arran like adapt it to our system does anyone want to like just sit with me and like play for 3 hours with nite x m l at some point are you free after this i would not like to be cause i would like to go to the gym i am theoretically free but if there is any time t how about friday then cause i am off all friday you have nothing no free time on wednesday wednesday i have got a 9 til 12 9 til 12 and then nothi you have or you yeah nothing in the afternoon i have got nothing in the afternoon so anytime wednesday afternoon i would be cool i think okay so you ha yeah where about just in appleton tower yo forrest hill whatever one is easier to discuss stuff i do not know i will be in the appleton tower anyway i am not biased okay what time do you want to do well i will be there from 12 i have got some other stuff that needs done on matlab so if you are not there at 12 i can just work on that okay so i will just meet you in in 18 a in the afternoon so yeah i guess at the moment nobody critically depends on like the nite x m l stuff working right now right like at the moment you can all do your stuff and i can do my l s a stuff and i can even do the display to a vast degree without actually having their supplying framework working so it is not that crucial yeah i think so yeah i w i w i would need the raw text pretty soon because i have to find out how i have to put the segments into bins yeah actually i need the raw text as well and then yeah yeah but i was i was i was more thinking of the sort of the the whole browser framework as a running program now yeah no that is not necessary yeah i think we all need the raw text in different in different flavors do not we yeah yeah why w jasmine i thought you just said that you would looked at extracting the text yes i did but i have only just got the notes i have to still have to order everything by the time and yeah so you you said you did it in python yeah yeah i think it is quite easy after the yeah did you use b the x l x m l parser in python yeah yeah right yeah sounds pretty good so so cause yeah i was having a look in it a look at it as well and i noticed the the speakers are all in that separate file so did did you have to combine them all and and then re order them yeah b i w that is what i was thought that you just combine them and then order the time stamps accordingly yeah ye yeah c right yeah so that is approach well i was going to do so yeah we may as well collaborate okay what i found out was that there are quite a lot of things without without s time stamps in the beginning in the word files yeah and x m l files yes but that is yeah that is just an i d or something i do not know yeah everything that is a word has a sti time stamp just numbers yes but what are the other things that is some kind of number f maybe the file number or something that is in the beginning what is that i am not sure i what you mean do you know i think there are quite a lot of numbers in the beginning where n there is no time stamp for the numbers it is think they say quite a lot of numbers and before that there is this number was it but number within the x m l context yeah there i are numbers in the the w tag but there are no time stamps are they spoken numbers like do they look like they are utterances numbers yeah there is the number task is not there that is part of the whole thing that is at the end that is at the end i think her time okay yeah in the beginning as well sometimes i think 0 right at least i saw some yeah maybe did not have a look at our meetings yeah we have to probably cut that out anyway for our project i do not know yeah it is probably going to screw up a lot of our data otherwise yeah if not sure if it what it does to document it would probably make the yeah if if you have segments for that probably the i i think it would not as it occurs i mean it would be it occurs in every meeting so and i think it even has its own annotation like digits or something so that should be really easy to cut out okay i am just thinking like it pro it pro probably like the l s a would perform quite well on it it would probably find another number task quite easily seeing that it is a constrained vocabulary with a high co occurrence of the same 9 words yeah i am sure so that wou 10 word but what it is it actually that numbers ah it is just to test the system i think yeah okay so but there are no time stamps annotated to that so i think it is also something that they they said the numbers in order right it is it is quite strange they have to read numbers from yeah i think it is it the it sounded like they wanted to check out how well they were doing with overlapping and stuff because basically it is like they are reading them at different speeds but you know in which order they are said i did not have a look at that anyway so icsi has some reasons for doing it they must have been pissed off saying like numbers at the end of every meeting and also there are different combinations of letters b r e and something like that is it everything ordered are the time stamps global or are they local at any point i thought they were local to th a particular meeting they okay dave if you would or actually for well if you are doing i d f s or you whatever you call your your frequencies i always mix up the name you need some dictionary for that at some point though like you need to have some representation of a word as not not that specific occurrence of that word token but of of of a given word form because you are making counts for word forms right yeah i am just building a dictionary yeah so we should work together on that because i need a dictionary as well 0 mine is just going to use the hash map one in java cause i am only going to do it on small documents okay it is just like bef until the information density is up and running kay just something to get give me something to work with okay did not you say that the 0 the ord so it is only going to use quite small documents you see to start with yeah but for i am just wondering for the whole thing does somebody wo who was it of you 2 who said that there is some program which spits out a dictionary probably with frequencies yeah it is rainbow it is i think it is just the dictionary in the 1st place but okay is anyone of you for the for the document frequency over total frequency you going to have total frequencies of words then with that right like over the whole corpus sort of no i have to bin it up and so i will only have counts for each each bin or something or why does it need to be classified into like different segments it is because rainbow is a text classification system and i think it is not possible to have just one class that is the problem can we just fill a 2nd class with junk that we do not care about maybe we could like i do not know copies of shakespeare or something yeah sure you sure we could do that but i do not that makes sense cause if what we are looking for is the frequency statistics i do not see how that would be changed by the classification if we need just frequencies maybe we should just calculate them by using perl or something i the i do not know well there maybe another tool available yeah it is quite easy to just count and s or sort them by frequency yeah w using which tool are you talking about just using a perl script be careful with that like my experience with the british national corpus was that there is far more word types than you ever think because anything that is sort of unusual generally is a new word type is it too big yeah like any typo or any strange thing where they put 2 words together and also any number as a word type of its own so you can easily end up with 100000s of words when you did not expect them so generally dictionaries can grow bigger then you think they do i do not know how you how many terms you can handle in perl well you can probably also you can probably pre filter like with regular expressions even just say if it consists of only dig digits then skip it or even if it consists any special characters yeah then skip it because it is probably something with a dot in between which is usually not something you want to have and i can not remember who has got it might be wordnet but one of these big corpuses has a list of stop words that you can download and they are just basically lists of really uninteresting boring words that we could filter out before we do that it is like that is one the papers i read that is one things they did right at the beginning is they have got this big s stop list and they just ignore all of those throughout the experiment what i did for my project i just ignored the 100 most frequent words because they actually end up all being articles and and everything and stuff so we need like several of us need a dictionary am i the only one who needs it with frequencies yeah i it would be useful for me as well am i the only one who needs it with frequencies or it i think that would be useful for me as well frequencies yeah yeah well i guess as soon as we have the raw text we can probably just start with the java hash map and like just hash map over it and see how far we get yeah i mean we can probably on a machine with a few 100 megabyte ram you can go quite far you can write it on beefy so even if it goes wrong and even if it has a 1000000 words be well all you really want to do is look into getting some sub set of the icsi corpus off the dice machines cause i hate working on dice it is awful like so i can use my home machine 0 yeah burning it on a like we should be able to burn the whole corpus just the x ha has a c d burner though has a c d burner ah i see i asked support about that 2 days ago in the informatics building there 0 sorry in in appleton tower 5 the ones closest t 2 machines closest to the support office so i presume 0 wait i have the exact email i think he is talking about sort of the ones that yeah the right hand corner far right yeah if you if you enter the big room in the right hand corner i think yeah the thing is like you can only burn from the local file system so if it is from s well actually i think if it is mounted you can directly burn from there but the problem is i have my data on beefy and so i have to get it into the local temp directory and burn it from there but you can burn it from there how big is it without we looked that up and i for we looked that up and i forgot the wav files and stuff cause i could just say at going over s c p one night and just leave it going all night if i had to yeah yeah no you you we should be able to get it at i do not think it was i do not think it was a gigabyte it is yeah i mean the wave data are obviously not going to get off there completely see i would off i would offer you to to get it on this one and then like copy it but you know what i figured out i am quicker down loading over broad band into my computer than using this hard disk really 0 right there is something strange about the way how they access the hard disk how they mount it which is unfortunate i will see if i can s c p it i suppose what operating system do you have i have got a linux box and a windows box okay so wh what connection do you have at home broad band yeah so if anyone of us gets it we can then just use an ext put it on to c d i can if i get down i can put to c d yeah burn it to c d or yeah put it on on hard disk whatever yeah question is if you are not quicker if you because you should get massive compression out of that like 50% or something with a good algorithm so if you could compress it and just put it into a temp directory i am not sure if there is enough space like is how much do we get the temp the temps usually have for gigabyte 3 or 2 really the temps yeah okay i do like i mean there is not guarantee that anything stays there but overnight it will stay and i think the temps usually have ah yeah but that would have to be the temp directory off the machine you can s s h into directory of s s h yeah but i can do it from that session can not i you can compress it from a remote session and s c p it from the same session yeah they wou they would they would probably hate you for doing it but they would probably they would like you more if you s s h into another computer compress it there and then sort of copy it into the into the gateway machine do you think they have if you s s hey you know if you if you s s h and they have this big warning about doing nothing at all in the gateway machine yeah 0 no no i was thinking of sshing just into some machine and then just scping it from there yeah to your home machine yeah i mean it has to go through the gateway i have not i have not figured out how to tunnel through the gateway into another machine yet but can you not do that it is not it is not easy definitely that is why i end up sort of copying stuff into the temp directory at the gateway machine i see sorry if this is boring everybody else this is just details and how to get stuff home from what we can probably just look at that together when we are meeting th yeah yeah kay i just wondered so who is then doing the frequencies on on the words because i am i think i will also i could also make use of it for the agreement and disagreement thing because i i in my outline i talked about using the discourse acts 1st i am sorry and then in the chunks of text i found looking for word patterns and so on so i would for example need the most freq frequent words well yeah so if you cut off all that i would will not be use or as soon as somebody gives me the raw text of the whole thing i can probably just implement like a 5 line java hash table frequency dictionary builder and see yeah i i but i need it for my chunks then i would you know 0 did you not say frequencies f of words in the whole sorry did yeah but i would i would like to look at the frequency of words in my in the regions of text i found out to be interesting so i would not need it so you could just so you would you it it would have to be re calculated only for my segments yeah you would have to count it yourself yeah but th 1st how big are the chunks huh how big are the chunks you are looking at i think it would be you know l as as big at as the hot spot annotation things so quite small then that is quite small yeah that is some utterances so you could just you could use just the same thing we used to build the big dictionary you just do that on line cause that will not take long to build a little dictionary that big will it i mean just use the same tool that we use yes yeah yeah yeah so i would probably just concatenate all my text chunks and then let us say m i will run over it yeah 0 you do not want to have different counts for each chunk but just like sort of for for something from old chunks yes 0 yeah no that is yeah so once i write an ar like w if i write like an algorithm which does a hash table dictionary with frequency from a raw text then the raw text can be anything so how far are we g how f how far are you getting raw text out of it do you think i can get all the raw text but it has to be ordered still so okay well that is good because for the dictionary the order does not make a difference does it it does not need ordered no so yeah so i will get that from you and i will write the hash table which goes over that and creates a dictionary file no it is not so for the dictionary is it okay if i do whatever word blank frequency or something just p could everybody sort of start from that i mean i guess we can well that is the t are you using t f i d f for the information density it is in what is implemented in rainbow is information gain and i am not quite sure how they calculate that alright okay like cause frequency would be useful i think yeah i i need frequency as well yeah but depending on the context the size and what we consider a document in the sense of calculating t f i d f is going to change which might need thinking about well i think we might have a lot in common what we calculate because i for my latent semantic analysis need like counts of words within a document within a a segment actually within a topic segment that is what rainbow does i think you j can just get probabilities for a certain words for each document certain can i convert these probabilities back into frequencies we would have to look at that okay 0 so that is what f rainbow does because that is what l s a builds on like it builds a f a document by frequency matrix 0 so i could probably get that even though but i already have i already have my code to build it up myself no do not bother i have my code already yeah so dave you said you need the frequency counts actually for per document would you say not for the whole thing i think it would be useful yeah well you need the raw frequency as well but you also need how many times things occur within each document and what we consider a document is going to depend on our context i think cause if we are looking at the whole lot of meetings we will consider each meeting a document in sort of terms of this algorithm and if we are viewing like say just a small topic segment you might look at even each utterance as a small document it more and more appears to me that if we if we scrap the notion of the meeting as an individual thing and sort of ju see meetings as as topic segments and have sort of like hierarchical topic segmentation instead then it is b like a more coherent framework yeah but the thing is it is going to need some th th thought of how we actually maybe it does not actually matter maybe if you just do it once at the highest level it it will be fine but i was just thinking it might be difficult to calculate the t f i d f off line for all the different levels we might want cause if we are going to allow disjoint segments for example then how are we going to know what is going to be in context at any given time but i suppose if you just did it globally treating a meeting as a document it would probably still be work out fine because you would only be comparing to ones within the context wait are we are we using this for the for the for the do for the weighting in the end now this this measure you are calculating i do not know i thought were you going to use that in the end the information density because if we are doing like i think for for the information density we we should calculate it on the lowest level not on the highest but like cause 0 sorry that is what i mean like yeah for each word or whatever but across the whole lot is what i mean by highest level like across the whole corpus yeah but w it do not you have to like go sort of like for in a document versus the whole thing is not that how it works that you c look look at r yeah but you would probably look at each meeting as a document i do not think that is a good idea because is not it like that we expect th there to change over i b with the different topic segments more that they talk about something different in each different topic segment possibly cause that is what relative term frequency is about that like in some context they are talking more about a certain word than in general so that would more be the the topic segments then yeah that is what i thought as well that you that probably the the topic segment level is the most informative for the words i do not know yeah yeah yeah are they big enough to get anything meaningful out of yeah that is the problem i do not know so i am just wondering if there is ways to abandon the whole concept of of meetings and sort of but just not really treating separate meetings as too much of a separate entity well yeah that is not it is not an issue but you just concatenate an x m l file together but we still want to have like a notion of meetings for the user yes definitely but on algorithmic level whether we actually whether there is some way to just represent meetings as as topics yeah sure yeah you just like whatever you want to look at you just jam together into an x m l file and that is your meeting even though bits of it may come from all over the place or whatever i mean i do not see why that is really a big problem that is not really what i meant but i think i have to think more about what i meant g i am confused about everything so basically what you are saying is you can take an arbitrary amount of data and process it with the same algorithm it does not matter conceptually what that data is it could be a meeting it could be 2 utterances it could be a meeting plus half a meeting from somewhere else yeah i am i am not so concerned about the m a meeting plus something else i am more talking about like yeah the keeping keeping the same algorithm and the same way of handling it and just saying like just this this topic here i it happens to be like a whole meeting and it has sort of sub topics so just that sort of topics a hierarchical concept where like a topic where there can be super topics and topics and the super topics are in the end what the meetings are but in general at some level super topics are treated like like topics i do not think it is very difficult though i mean what you do is you just build an x m l file and if you want it to get down to the utterances you would go to the leaves and then if you wanted the next level up you would go to the parents of those and like just go from like the leaves inwards towards the branch to build up things like you know when you click on a segment it is going to have like words or whatever that are important i am not really sure what i want as long as like the algorithms are designed with it in mind i do not think it is a very big problem so sorry could describe that again the well like say you had like say for a meeting right you have got like say a hierarchy that looks quite big like this and like the utterances come off of here maybe then when whatever your algorithm is doing as long as when you are working with utterances you go for all the leaves like then if you need something next up so like a topic segment you would go to here but if you were looking at say this one so only went like this right so you it is same you would start with the leaves and you go 0 i want a topic segment so i go one layer up see and then if you are working with just a topic segment in there it is the only thing you have to worry about and like each time you want a higher level you just need to go up the tree and as long as your algorithm respects that then we can just process any arbitrary x m l file with whatever hierarchical structure we want so that would be the series as a whole that would be sort of m meetings yeah a meeting say and that would be a topic segment yeah i am a i am a i am a bit brain damaged at the moment but i think i will just sit together with you again and and go through it again so i think as long as you build an algorithm that respects whatever structure is in the file rather than imposing its own structure so so i will is th it like is this and this structurally then always identical well no it does not have to be so that we can that we can treat it with the same algorithm or but i mean it could be as many nodes as you want like this one could be deeper maybe say so then you would start with all your utterances here and when you go up to get topic segments you go to here here here here here here here that might be a bit confusing though cause you have things on different levels yeah i am also not sure how we can go from from bottom up i have always thought it is like more that 0 whatever i am a can not think of it at the moment probably this is all too complicated worrying about that at that moment anyway is there anything else we should discuss now have have we have we decided anything are we doing anything well wednesday s wednesday we are meeting and looking at their at their implementation in some more detail to actually understand what is going on yeah yeah so we will see if we can get like a mini browser just displays 2 things synched together of some kind we had 2 things from their stuff just to make sure that we are like understand it we understand it enough to to m modify it yeah yeah yeah should we not have like a group directory or something where we can put all our code in and that kinda thing it would be useful i do not know who you see about that though yep how would we do that by just making like it w read write for everyone kay who has most free space on their i have gotten hardly any i d have no idea same here i have probably got a reasonable amount because everything on my dice account can actually be deleted cause i store it all at home as well well we alternatively we can probably just make another directory on the beefy scratch space i mean that is where i am having gigabytes and gigabytes of stuff at the moment is that guaranteed to stay the no no yeah we can ask steve if we can get space yeah maybe you should send a support form yeah we could do that but i think if he sends to the i think if he sends to the port he would probably be in a better position just say we want some web space listen to yeah yeah i am sure he had to deal with that last year yeah cause that would be really useful is if we had a big directory especially for transferring stuff having said that are we allowed to take a copy of the icsi corpus something we should probably ask before we do it i think he said yes to that i think that was like in when we were still in the seminar room i asked that once or like ask is it possible to get it off and nobody said like people were discussing about the technical practicalities okay but nobody said anything about al being allowed to or not allowed to i mean we have access to it here and i guess it probably means that we we can not give it to anybody else but okay but if they give us access to it here 0 sitting on a dice machine then there should not be a reason why we should not be able to use it on our laptop i personally do not have too many friends who would be too keen on getting it anyway no me neither yeah right i have that really excited pirate copied thing ye it annotated meeting data so shall we sit together tomorrow then as well m okay yeah jasmine what is the text you are extracting looking like then at the end yeah w would it be best at the moment it is it is just lines of because i i think it is actually very similar to what i did for my speaker extraction and i think i would ch perhaps have to change 2 lines of codes to get you for each meeting a file that says fr from this millisecond to this millisecond there was this sequence of words and so on so that is just changing 2 lines of code and it would give you that so okay so you would do you extract the words the raw text as well yeah so far i extracted the dura durations okay but it is from the words file so i could just contatenate concatenate the words instead of the durations and it should i mean print out should be very straight forward i can try to do it and send it to you okay pe and you have a look at it will it make sense for what you want okay that okay huh so have we already extracted from all the files yeah p i mean it i just let it run over all the files yeah so did you also order yes wait wait wait i just ordered sorry yeah sorry i ordered according to the starting times of the utterances what i just realized we should really t keep different serieses completely separate for virtually all purposes just let us be careful about that because what do you mean by diffe like the the icsi corpus is not is not one meeting series it is several meeting series with different people meeting for completely different things yeah i mean t i i have one what i give you would be one file for each meeting for each meeting yeah not for each meeting series alright okay but like let us just be careful that whatever we sort of we merge together i did not do that yet that like the highest level of merging it is not the whole icsi corpus but individual series yeah one group yeah might be funny to see what is summarized the whole corpus as anyway i think we might actually i think that is probably be somewhere like well or something like it i think it would be very useful but i think we might just get away with for the whole project just like looking at only one series and just doing within one series i mean you can do everything you want in one series yeah i mean there is one series that has just one meeting 0 yeah let us take that that sounds good is the is the data always clearly split up by different series like is it easy to just pick one yes the you you the data is of the form you have 3 identification letter so b e d or b b d or something and that is always the same group okay okay okay and then after that there is a number like 001002 so it is a okay so at at every level everyone has to be careful to really just take even at the highest level just take stuff from one series and not merge stuff from different series together because they would probably be just majorly messy yeah but that is that is really quite easy to see because they are named yeah so so t so like if even if we make one single text file which has the whole corpus sort of our corpus that would still be from one series only wou but it what you are producing at the moment is like individual text files that sort of have the raw text for a whole a meeting as a whole or yes but i i mean as the start start times start for each meeting at 0 you could just probably just add the final 2nd time to the next meeting and so on and just put it all together but then we would have to change the information about who on which channel it was set to by which person it was set yeah and that is actually stored in another x m l document kay so is is anybody creating an a real raw text thing at the moment like which is just the words yeah that is what i am going to need yeah tha cause that is what i am going to need as well yeah i w would then just not print out the start and end times yes but i but if there b are not like so it is it is start and end times just for the file yeah it is just mo changing it a bit okay like is it just the 1st and the last line or is it for every single thing in no it is for every single word we can just change the code or for every single utterance yeah that depends on what you want yeah so what do you mean by just not print out that yeah but i do it with perl it is just string manipulation so i would i mean i would just okay if you are into it can you make a text file which just like makes just the words sure kay do you want it straight flowing cause i would need something that marks the end of of is is yours segmented by topics then that like is there any information that you have to the topic to the automated topic topic segmentation no i did not do a sea no 0 then i need something different later anyway okay but for now if you c no but that is what m l c seg does it it marks the end of each segment okay you are going to put that as an output of yours the segmentation yeah okay so for now can you create like sort of just a dump which is pure text just pure text so that i can get a dictionary and you can work on that for your topic segmentation yeah and and you would want that all in one file for all the corpus or or for for the series but i can but i can also deal with separate files i mean i can just write the algorithm that it loads all files in a directory or something for the series but i mean if you yeah i can directly put it into just like but if you can put it in one single mega file that would be quite useful for me 0 so only words per meeting series even though for you would not it be easier if you had different files because then you sort of know like yeah yeah for me it is better if they are by meeting yeah so give m give me different files as long as like it m if you could name them in a way that is easy to enumerate over them huh like whatever 12345 or something yes or just anything that i can yeah they will just i will just take i would take over the names they have anyway yeah is is it something that is easily enu like to enumerate over is it some just some ordered pattern yeah yeah okay cool yeah one series has the same 3 starting letters so okay cool yeah so only words and words and times and you i do not need the times i just need the words but in the right order yeah you want it ordered yeah in the right order yes okay it is just a wish list okay anybody orders ord base dot times yeah and do you want yeah sometimes they are contained in one another so yeah that does not matter too much i think just after th kay ordered only words when do you think you will have like a primitive segmentation by some ready made topic segmentation by some ready made tool ready then that will be really easy to do once they have got the raw text it is just a case of running the script okay okay cool cause i will need that then when it is done yeah i mean hopefully this week okay and i think for all the corpus it is just from i know from other times it is 9 megami byte to have i mean should be should be similar to have the words is that it that is quite good should be what is what is 9 megabyte the the na all the words together for all the meetings alright that sounds quite reasonable that is 99 characters over okay that is what i am guessing that is you know what i because 9 mega byte is what i got for when i said for every utterance this is goes from there to there and okay okay that is for are we are we picking one particular series at the moment takes takes seconds or and we could 0 yeah i mean i am it doing it for all of it yes does not matter okay yeah yeah i guess we can probably process the data for all different series and then check which series is the best for the presentation yeah it sounds quite reasonable 9 megabyte i mean if you think if it is r roughly a 1000000 words and 9 characters per word sounds realisti yeah i mean i hope it will be the same for the words it is just what i yeah yes i am going to build a dictionary then from that like just a list of the words that maybe a list of the words with the frequencies or a list of the words sorted alphabetically or numerically i what what does anyone want does this there any wishes for dictionaries i could just use it with the frequency i think until the information density thing is finished that would be really useful so i will create a dictionary so so i will probably send just one file of the 1st meeting to all those who need it so that you can have a look whether that is what you want add add the structure yeah and then the actual file we can probably like copy from your home directory or something like it yeah i mean if it is just for one meeting it is really not too big yeah yeah but i am sa i am saying for the whole thing in the end then like the big thing we probably should not do by email yeah yeah how long would it take to make the frequency counts with a java hash table 0 from the time i get the file i can do that in an afternoon the next sort of the next morning yeah 0 you mean how long processing time it takes no how long you would have to program something ah it is a it is a bog standard algorithm i have i have sort of i have written it for for dil just in half an hour or something similar okay it is just you put them in a hash table and and say well if it exists already in the hash table then you increase the count by one and i will probably implement some filter for filtering out numbers or something because it is quite easy in perl as well it is just a line of code for counting all the words and yeah it is it is by hashes really how do you do that okay well i do not know any perl yeah i mean if anyone wants to do a perl script for that that does it does it nicely i yeah i have no problem with that i but i think i have the java code virtually ready because for dil i wrote something very similar kay like for dil i wrote something that counts the the different occurrences of all the tags if you are doing it in java could you serialize the output as well as writing it to a file sorry if you are doing it in java could you serialize the dictionary yeah as well as writing it to a file the hash table i have never serialized anything it is really easy would not that be absolutely massive though i do not see why it would be any more massive than the file and then seriali and then write the serialization to a file yeah so you want like a se like a file which is the serialization of a hash table it just saves you parsing the okay file representation of it and now cause i would be using it in java anyway so i would just be building the data structure again yeah i i will i will check if i understand how it works i mean otherwise i can give you the code for loading a dictionary give you my my it is just it is it is sort of it is a line break separated file you know yeah but it seems like a bit silly to be parsing it over and over again kinda thing yeah yeah i will see if i understand how to serialize there is a there is a serialize command so that gives me one mega mother of a s i would have thought that i think all the collections and things implement serializable already yeah but do they automatically write to the file anyway i will i will figure that out i think they might do we do not have to yes is that pretty much pretty much it so dave and me look at how nite x m l works and we are tonight i will try and i will either work some more on the t f i d f summarizer or do the audio thing i will build a dictionary as soon as i get the text and yeah so that when do we have to meet again then with this do not know suppose we are just getting on with all our yeah components so how are we going to do a demonstrator next week my god do we have to demonstrate something next week i know wa what do we have to demonstrate no no not demonstrate but like did not you say that did not we sort of agree that it would be useful to have a demonstrator of it like some primitive thing working next week yeah yeah he suggested that we could have an initial prototype that has got to be very prototype i know i would b i would be surprised if we can get anything working by next week yeah ah well let us go sorry alright i feel like like hanging mid air and not really like finding a point where you can get your teeth into it and start working properly and so it is all so fuzzy the whole yeah i know i think it is cause we had to specify it ourselves that it is not as like focus the specification of most work we have to do yeah but it at the moment but at the moment it is also an implementational level like with the data structures i am just like over these vague ideas of some trees i am f yeah once we start doing it it will all become more or less obvious i think anyway yeah it is just we are half way through the project time table that is just what freaks me out" ]

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[ "okay okay does anyone want to see steve is feedback from the specification is there much more in it than he said yesterday not really just what he was talking about duplication of effort and like duplication of effort and stuff effort and stuff and yeah it is shame that we should maybe think about having a prototype or week 6 which is next week yeah so if we probably prioritize our yeah i would say if for the prototype if it just like wherever possible chunk in the stuff that we have pre annotated and stuff and for the stuff that we do not have pre annotated right like a stupid base line then we should probably be able to basically that means we focus on the interface 1st so that we we take the ready made parts and just see how we get them work together in the interface the way we want and then we have a working prototype and then we can go back and replace pieces either by our own components or by more sophisticated components of our own so it is probably feasible thing is i am away this weekend so that is really i mean if we just want to have some data for the user face could even be random data 0 yeah yeah no but also like the similarity thing like just my matrix itself for my stuff i think i can do that fairly quickly because i have the algorithm yeah i think today is meeting is really the one where we sort of settle down the data structure and as soon as we have that probably like after today is meeting we then actually need to well go back 1st of all look at night xml to see in how far that which we want is completely compatible with that with night xml offers us and then just sort of everyone makes sure everyone understands the interface so i think if today we decide on what data we want to have now and later maybe even today we go and look at night xml or some of us look at night xml in a bit more detail just trying to make some sense of that code and see how does the representation work in their system and then sort of with that knowledge we should be able to then say okay that type of night xml data we want to load into it and this is how everyone can access it and then we should be able to go from there i have looked at the java code for the data network i have looked at the documentation and seen enough to make me think that if you want to use the nitexmel framework because they have a good event model that synchronizes sort of the data and in every display element so that takes a lot of work away from us of that would be a reason for staying within their framework and using their general classes but beyond that i have not looked at it at all which is something we should really do who actually like for this whole discussion i mean who of us is doing stuff that is happening online and who of us is doing stuff that is happening offline like my data is coming the basic word importance is offline as well the combined measure might not be if we want to wait but a user has typed into the search okay the mind is going to be mostly using the offline but the actual stuff is doing will be online there will not be very processing intensive or memory intensive so basically apart from the display module the display itself we do not have an extremely high end high degree of interaction between sort of our modules that create the stuff and the interface so the interface is mainly while it is running just working on data that is just loaded from a file i guess i do not know about the search functionality that might be online it depends how it is going to work yeah yeah yeah yeah the search is i guess the search is sort of a strange beast anyway because for the search we are leaving the 9 xml framework but that is still sort of that is good that means that at least we do not have the type of situation where somebody has to do like a 1000000000 calculations on data online that would make it a lot more like that would mean that our interface for the data we would have to be a lot more careful about how it performs and everything and nobody is modifying that data at online time at all it seems nobody is making any changes to the actual data online so that is actually making it a lot easier that basically means our browser really is a viewer mostly which is not doing much with the data except for sort of selecting a piece of bid and just paying it are we still going to go for dumping it into a database are we still going to dump it into a database well some part relevant for the search yes i would say so because if we are i reckon we should all read our classes out of the database it would be so much easier well if we are going to dump the part of it into a database anyway we might as well dump all the fields we want into the database calculate everything from there then we do not even have to worry that much about the underlying xml representation we can just query it yeah but nobody of us is doing much of searching from the data in the online stage and for altogether like the display itself i think we are easier if we if it is sitting on the xnl than if it is sitting on the sql stuff because if it is sitting on the xml we have the knight xml framework with all its functionality for synchronizing through all the different levels whenever there is a change whenever something is moving forward and stuff and we can just more or less look at their code like how their player moves forward and how that moving forward is represented in different windows and stuff so i think in the actual browser itself i do not want to sit on the sql if you can sit on the xml because sitting on the xml we have so much help and for the calculations that we are doing apart from the search it seems everyone needs some special representations anyway what if we are going to do that we should try and store everything in an xml format as well you mean our results yeah yeah in the night xml format so with the time stamps and stuff so that it is easy to tie together things what i am like what we have to think about is if we go with this multi level idea like this idea that sort of if you start with the whole meeting series as one entity as one thing that you display as one whole sort of that then the individual chunks are the individual meetings whereas and then you can click on a meeting and then sort of the meeting is the whole thing and the chunks are the individual segments that means we have multiple levels of presentation which we probably if we do it this way like we have to discuss that if we do it this way then we should probably find some abstraction models so that the interface in the sense deals with it as if it is the same so that the interface does not really have to worry whether it is a meeting in the whole meeting series or a segment within a meeting you know what i mean and that is probably stuff that we have to sort of like process twice than like for example that like the summary of a meeting within the whole meeting corpus or meeting series if meeting series is a good word for it i do not really know how to call it you know what i mean like not the whole corpus but every meeting that has to do with one topic and so in the meeting series so that a summary for a meeting within the meeting series is sort of compiled offline by a summary module and that is separate from a summary of a segment within a meeting i do not think we can we do not even need to do that because we got our information density calculated offline so all we do is treat the whole lot as one massive document i mean it is not going to be so big that we can not load in information density for every utterance i mean just summarize based on that i thought we would just have one big summary around the different importance levels displayed on it and depending on what our zoom level is we just display a part of it so are we doing that at all levels are we i mean we would have one very big thing offline and from that we would just select what we are displaying and just have different like fine grainedness levels sort of yes so for example you would give a high value to those sequences you want to display in the play in the meeting series summary so the only thing that would happen basically if i double click let us say from the whole meeting series on a single meeting is that the zoom level changes like the start and the end position changes and the zoom level changes that was what i saw i think we can do it online i thought we could not do that i was under the impression that we could not do that because we could not load the data for all that but i do not know i mean that i do not think there is really much point in doing like that when it is just going to feed off in the end the information density measure basically and that is all calculated offline so all you are really doing is sorting the list is the computationally hard part of it so i am not sure if i got it well like the ideas we are calculating our information density all offline 1st for every utterance in the whole corpus right so all you do is you say if you are looking at a series series of meetings you just say well our whole document comprises of all these who is not together and then all you have to do is sort them by information density like maybe weighted with the search terms so so i do not think it is too slow to do online to be honest i was just worried about the total memory complexity of it but i completely admit i mean i just sort of like took that from something that jonathan once said about not loading everything but maybe i was just wrong about it but i think the difference might be that we would just want to have the words and that is not so much what he meant was not possibly loading everything was that you load all the annotation stuff all the sound files so what we have is we would have a word like we would have words with some priority levels and that would basically be it already because even the same selection would the summaries automatically feed from just how prioritized an individual word or how prioritized an individual utterances or are the summaries sort of refined from that and made by a machine to make sentences and stuff or are they just sort of taking out the words of the highest priority and then the words of the 2nd highest priority well on the utterance level i think so the utterances of the highest like mean information are we doing it on the utterance level are we doing it on word level like the information well the trouble is doing it on the word level is if you want the audio to sync up you have got no way of getting in and extracting just that word i mean it is impossible we i think we have started in end time for words like every single word yeah but it might but it might sound crazy in the player we should really maybe we can do that together at some point today that we checked out how the player works i do not think but there is maybe some merit and all together doing it on an utterance level in the end i am getting quite lost at the ones because what is our difference between the the importance measure and the skimming i mean do we do both or is it the same thing well the skimming is going to use the importance okay but when we talk about summaries you talk about this about skimming and not about well mostly skimming yeah well but also about the displays i mean the displays in the text body in the latest draft that we had we came up with the idea that it is not displaying utterance part trans but it is also displaying a summarized version in you know like below the below the graph the part yeah maybe yeah it is just like this is not that the skimming and there is just like audio skimming and there is displayed skimming yeah but it is same data yeah yeah maybe there is some merit of going altogether for utterance level and not even bother to calculate i mean if you have to do it internally then you can do it but maybe like not even store the importance levels for individual words and just sort of rank utterances as a whole the nice thing about that is that we will automatically be in sentences more or less yeah so it will make more sense than just extract it might be better skimming and less memory required at the same time and i mean if you know how to do it for individual words then you can just in the worst case if you can not find anything else just sort of make the mean of the words over the utterance you know what i mean not quite so what did you want to do you just wanted to assign what is the smallest chunk at the moment you are thinking of assigning importance measure to is it a word or is not an utterance i thought about words so we are thinking of like maybe just storing it on a per attrance level because it is less stuff to store probably for dave in the audio playing and for in the display it is probably better if you have whole utterances then i do not know like what it is like if you just take single words out of utterance it probably does not make any sense at all at all whereas if you just show important utterances but the atrends as a whole it makes more sense so it does not actually make a difference for your algorithm because it just means that if you work on a word level then we just mean it over the utterance yeah i think we also thought about combining that measure with the mergers i get from hotspots and so on they are on so that would also be on a trance level i think so that is good anyway then yeah because that makes a lot easier than to put it on an utterance level calculated at word level though because otherwise there will not be enough occurrences or returns to rate any 0 yeah no way i mean how it just means does it internally i do not know but it is probably yeah you probably have to work on word levels for importance but there should be ways of easily going from a word level to an utterance level yeah i reckon you can just mean it over the sentence but how about those words which do not carry any meaning at all and uhs and something like that because if we i think we should filter them if we average over whole utterance all the words and there are quite unimportant words in there but quite important words as well i think we should just disregard them maybe we should have like a cutoff so a word only gets a value and it is above a certain threshold so anything that has less than say 05 importance gets assigned to 0 or we do a pre filtering of sort of the whole thing sort of like but that like the problem with that is it is easy to do in the text level but that would mean it would still play the air in your audio unless we sort of also store what pieces we cut out for the audio yeah i think before we can like answer that specific question how we deal with that it is probably good for us to look at what the audio player is capable of doing i think we will have to buffer in audio i do not think it will be very hard i think it will be like an hour or 2 is work so what do you mean by buffering like you think directly feeding i have just built another wave fire essentially yeah just cut it in yeah i mean but not store it on the hard disk and they load it in but loaded in directly from memory so just like there is bound to be like a media wave object or something like that but it is probably a scream if it exists in java it would be probably some binary screen going in for some type i have no idea okay but it must have like classes for dealing with fires and if it has classes with concatenating as far as even doing mainly okay so that means that there is probably even if you go on on per utterance level there is still some merit on within utterances cutting out stuff which clearly is not relevant at all and that maybe also for the audio we would have to do so let us say we play the whole phrase but then in addition to that we have some information that says minus that part or something that is okay that we can do well what i think i might try and build is basically basically a class that you just feed it a linked list of different waveforms that will just string them all together with maybe 10 for a 2nd silence in between each one yeah maybe even i mean that is sort of that depends on how advanced we get maybe if we realize that there is massive differences in gain or in something you can probably just make some simple normalization but that really depends on how much time we have and how much it is necessary yeah like i do not know anything about audio and i have never seen the player so if you find that the player accept some input from memory and if it is easy to do then i guess that is that is very doable so but that means in the general structure we are actually quite lucky so we have we load into memory for the whole series of meetings just the utterances and rankings for the utterances and some information probably that says well i guess that goes with the utterance who is speaking because then we can also do the display about who is speaking we also really want the other search by who is speaking well yeah but i am still confused because i thought like that is just what jonathan said that we can not do like load a massive document of that size it does not matter because all the calculations done offline the other end i mean it should not be like 50 megabyte in rum or something it should not be massive actually 50 100 megabyte is quite big in run just thinking what is the simple so we do get an error message with the project if we load everything into the project with all the data they load so we know that does not work so our hope is essentially that we load less into it what is this lazy loading thing somebody explain lazy loading to me it just means it loads on demand it only loads when it needs to a particular type of file like when it is being accessed okay so that is that only by type of file like if the same thing is in different files would it then maybe like you know if uptrends are split over 3 or 10 or a 100 different files is then a chance maybe that it does not try to load them all into memory at the same time but just yeah i think that is idea so why does it fail then in the 1st place then it should not ever fail because then it should never but if you were in a search over the whole coppers you would have to load them all yeah but it failed right when you load it right did i like that that is interesting it has a defined baseline in what it loads for example it loads all the utterances and so on but it does not load the discourse acts and so so it can not not be it was what else work there not the summaries i need those on the mind let us check that out i will probably ask jonathan about it so alternatively if we realize that we can not do the whole thing in one go we can probably just process some sort of metadata you know what i mean like sort of for the whole series chunks representing the individual meetings or something like something that represents the whole series in a in a structure very similar to the structure in which we represent individual meetings but with data sort of always combined from the whole series so instead of having a single utterance that we display it would probably be like that would be representing a whole topic a segment in a meeting and sort of so that using the same data you mean that you basically split up the big thing into different summaries for example that you have a very top level summary and a separate file for each level i am thinking in the sense of creating a virtual meeting out of the whole meeting series sort of that is easy you just like create a new xml document yeah sort of like offline create a virtual meeting which basically treats the meeting series as if it was a meeting and treats the individual meetings within the series as if they were segments and treats the individual segments within meetings as if they were utterances so we shifted one level up and in that way we could probably use the same algorithm and just like make like one or 2 ifs that say okay if you are on whole document a whole series level and that was a double click then do not just go into that segment but load a new file or something like it but in general use the same algorithm that would be an alternative if you can not actually load the whole thing and because also like even if we maybe this whole like maybe i am worrying too much about the whole series in one thing display because actually i mean probably users would not view that one too often i think it is really that much of a problem because if it is too big what we can do is just well all the offline stuff is not really matter and all we can do is just process a bit of time like for summarisation say you wanted 100 utterances in the summary just look at the meeting take your top 100 utterances in each other meeting it scores higher and the ones already in the summary so far just replacing and then you only have to process one meeting at a time yeah but i am still worried like for example for the display if you actually if you want to display like for the whole series the information density levels based on and the only granularity you have is individual latrances that means you have to go through every single latrants in a series of 70 hours of meeting maybe we should build and store a mean measure for the segment yeah meetings as well yeah and if you make that structurally very similar to the like one level down like the way how we store individual latrances and stuff and maybe we can more less use the same code and just make a few ifs and stuff so but still so in general we are having utterances and they have a score and that is as much as we really need and they also have a time information of course and a speaker and a speaker information yeah topic segmenting yeah so in information which topic they are in yeah and probably separate to that and information about the different topics yeah so the skimming can work on that because the skimming just sort of sorts the utterances and puts as many in as it needs well yeah and then he will preserve the order when it is displayed yeah yeah it will play them in some order in which they were said because otherwise it is going to be more entertaining but that is enough data for the skimming and the searching so what the searching does is the searching leaves the whole framework goes to the sql database and gets like basically in the end gets just a time marker for where that is like that utterance that you are concerned with and then we have to find i am sure there is some way in nightexmel to just say set position to that time mark and then it shifts the whole frame and it alerts every single element of the display and the display updates yeah you can not want it you could do the old tree display as well for multiple results yeah yeah yeah but so if so so so if if some so yeah so if in that tree display somebody clicks on something you just need to find the timestamp yeah and then you sort of feed the timestamp to the night xml central manager and that central manager alerts everything that is there like alerts the skim like the audio display alerts the text display alerts the visual display and says we have a new time frame and then they all sort of do the update routines with respect to the current level of zoom so how much they display and starting position at where the or maybe the mid position of it i do not know like if you start where the thing was found or if that thing was found is in the middle of the part that we display that i do not know but that we can decide about but in general sort of it is the same thing if like whether you play and it moves forward or whether you jump to a position through search it is essentially for all the window handling it is the same event it is only that the event gets triggered by the search routine which sort of pushed it into night xmet and says please go there now so we should basically make our own xml document in memory that everyone is module changes that rather than the underlying data and then have that xml document tied to the interface why do we have to do in memory well you can make the file if you want i mean like the information is coming from offline so we probably do not even have to change the utterance document right because the whole way like the whole beauty of the night xml is that it ties together lots of different files we can just create an additional xml file which for every utterance like the utterance have ideas i presume some references so we just we tie just very very very you can just just a very short xml file which is the only information it has it has whatever a number for the weight for the information density and we just tie that to the existing utterances and tie them to the existing speaker changes but there is no idea for an utterance i think it is just for in the video where it is so how do we do that now no no it is for utterances as well i think it is just for one world so we have to i think there is segments for each utterance or split up yeah well otherwise we would probably have to go over and like add some integer that we just increment from top to bottom sort of to every utterance as an id sometimes or try to understand how nidxml ids work and maybe that is some special rules you have to follow when we use these ids yeah i am pretty sure it is already there pretty sure that is already there the utterance are so numbered the girls say the utterance of themselves are not numbered at the moment i am not quite sure i have only seen that the individual words have got an id so i guess that would be solvable if not yeah you always could have a look at the time stamps and then take the one step belong together to form an adrift no i think we would just take the segments that are already yeah if they are already there it is yeah there is segments 5 you know they smell segments okay is that a boardmarker pen actually yeah i think so like to make a list of all this stuff or we are probably somebody can do it in paper so what so the stuff we have we have utterances and speakers and weights for utterances so for every utterance sort of like the utterance has a speaker and a weight which is coming from outside or which is tied to it and there is segments which they are utterances are not they the segments are that is the impression i get 0 so sorry topic segment i meant like they are they are a super unit so so the utterances are tied to topic segments and if the timestamps are on a word level then we somehow have to extract time stamps for atrances where they start there are time stamps for the segments what segments now segments is for example when when you look at the data what is displayed in one line okay when you is that the same as utterance is that the same as utterance well it is close enough is not it it may not be exact every time 1st i compared it with what i did for the pause duration extraction and basically it is words that are added in a sequence without pauses but sometimes however there are short pauses in it and they are indicated by square brackets pause so that is but that is one segment or is the 2 segments then sometimes the annotators decided what was one segment and what was not okay but generally utterances is that which we just called sorry segments is that which we just called utterances now it is sort of like one person is contribution at a time sort of thing eating okay so yeah so we have those and then we have some fields somewhere else which have topics yeah and the topics basically they are just an id probably with a start time or something and the utterance is referenced to those topics i guess yeah so the topics do not contain any redundant thing of like showing the whole topic again but they just sort of say a number and where they start and where they finish and the utterances then say which topic they belong to yeah but i think for some annotations an utterance can have several types for example for the dialog ads and so yeah but i was thinking of the topic segmentation now for that there would only be one right because it is sort of like it is just a time window it should be here so if this lazy loading works then this should definitely fit into i mean not memory then because it would not all be memory at the same time so if you just have to sort of that information like a long list of all the utterances slash segments and like shorter smaller lists which give weight to them and even though probably if there is a lot of overhead and having 2 different files we can probably merge the weights into it offline you know what i mean like if there is a lot of bureaucracy involved with having 2 different trees and where the one ties to the other because the one is the weight for the other then it is probably quicker to just well why do not we just write it in the xml file can night handle just loading arbitrary new like attributes and stuff i mean i would have thought that they would make it over to yeah i thought that was the whole beauty that like you can just make a new xml file and sort of tie that to the other end and it is so why do we need to have 2 xml trees and then we are at one 0 yeah so no i did not mean tree no i meant just like handling 2 different files internally i was just thinking you know like if the overhead for having the same amount of data coming from 2 files instead of from one file is massive then it would probably be for us easy to just like offline put the weight into the file that has the segments yeah segments slash utterances already but that we can figure out i mean if it is going horrendously wrong the other thing is that would be using an airpar as well which means we would not have to parse anything which would be quite nice yeah pass was probably much faster than anything we have got with anyway yeah yeah no we would be completely using like the whole infrastructure basically just i mean the main difference really between our projects and theirs really is that we load a different part of the data but otherwise we are doing it the same way that they are doing it so we are just we are sort of running different types of queries on it in a sense i think we are running queries not just about what we load and what we do not load but we are running queries in the sense that we dynamically select by weights do not we then we have to check how fast that is like to say give us all the ones that whether that works with their query language whether that is too many results and whether we should you know because if it let us say i mean if their query language is strange and if it would return the 10000000 results and it can not handle it then we can just write our components in the way that they know what the threshold is so they still get all the data and just they internally say 0 no this is less than 3 and i am not going to display it or something yeah i mean process it in chunks and it get too big we can just process it all in chunks yeah i am just thinking for this whole thing of like a different level sort of cutting out different different pieces whether we do that through a query where we say give us everything that is above this and this weight or whether we keep the same infrastructure but every individual module like the player and the displays they still get sort of all the different utterances all the different pieces but they say 0 this piece i leave out because it is below the current threshold level i think we probably want to store sorry i think we probably want to store a hierarchical information density as well so like an information density score for each meeting and each topic segment because otherwise we will be recalculating the same thing over and over again yeah that would be much more efficient to do that and that will obviously make it much easier to display when do we need the one for the meet well maybe not for the whole meeting but like yeah i guess for the so when we have the display where we display the whole series then if we have for the individual topic segments within the meetings if we have ready calculated measures then we do not have to sort of extract that data from the individual utterances yeah and that is also fairly easy to store along with our segments is not it our segments is not it for the segments are we extracting some type of title for them that we craft with some fancy algorithm manually are we just taking the single most highly valued keyword utterance for the segment heading well we can start off like that i was going to start off i have got sort of halfway through implementing one that does just idf and then just i could change that to work on whatever it is probably like in the end probably it would not be the best thing if it is just the most highly ranked phrase or keyword like for example for an introduction that would most definitely not be anything that has any title anywhere similar to introduction they should be wasted by stuff like the hot spots and the keywords in your search and stuff like that also like for this part maybe if we go over with named entity in the end if i mean one of people doing dil has some named entity code to spare and just like at least for the for finding topics titles for segments just take a named entity which has a really high what is it called dfidf whatever because you would probably be quite likely if they are talking about a conference or a person that that would be a named entity which is very highly frequented in that part i do not say something about named entity so i thought he said there was not very many yeah he said they are quite sparse so that basically was do not bother basing too much of your general calculation on it but like especially if there is far as probably individual named entities which describe what a segment is about would probably be quite good like if there is some name of some conference they could probably say that name of the conference quite often even though he is right that they make indirect references to it anyway you said you are counting in implementing the idea what exactly are you it is not tf idf it is just inversed up in the region 2 because it is really easy to do basically okay so it is just like for a baseline really you can not do that in java yeah well i am halfway through it is not working yet but it will do so you are doing that on a per word level yeah okay and then averaging it as well but it is not like related to it related to the corpus at all it is just working on an arbitrary text wire at the moment okay cool i was just wondering where you had the corpus from at the moment no it seems that the data structure is not a big problem and that basically we do not have to have all these massive discussions of how we exactly interact with the data structure because most of our work is not done with that data structure in memory in the browser but it is just done offline and everyone can represent it any represent it anyway they want as long as they sort of store it in the useful xml representation in the end so it would be useful to know how everyone can store their things though yeah that would mean understanding the night xml xml sort of format and a lot more detail we should i think we should just have a long session in a computer room together and like now that we know a bit more what we want take a closer look at night at xml i have got a few hours through yeah i have had a look at the topic segments how it is stored and then yeah there is a few per meeting and it gives a timestamp and inside each one there is the actual utterance segments the list of them that occur and they are all numbered so that is where that is stored yeah i had not looked at this stuff much at all yeah so i guess if i am going to be segmenting it with the lcseg then that is the same format i would want to put it back out and sort of be equivalent who is sort of doing the central coordination of the browser application now like now like well like the integration what do you mean the integration yeah but also like all these elements like the loading and yeah integration and like handing the data loading and stuff i do not know what i think anyone has been allocated to do that yet i am sort of like i think i will take over their display just because i have started with a bit and found it found it doable yeah definitely so somebody should sort of be the one person who is you know someone be the one person who understands most about what is centrally going on with with the with a browser as a whole and where the data comes in and it is a very boring task it is also complicated yeah it could be difficult i guess we can do it like several people together it is probably just those people have to work together a lot and very close and just make sure that they always understand what the other one is doing yeah i guess the important thing is to get the crucial modules built it is simple versions of them yeah or already made versions of them for that matter yeah and then we will maybe have to prioritize prioritize somebody into integrating it yeah but i think actually like at the moment the integration comes 1st i mean sort of at the moment the building the browser comes 1st and then only comes to creating new sophisticated data chunks because that is sort of the whole thing about having a prototype system which is more or less working on chunk data but at least we have the framework in which we can then test everything and look at everything because before we have that it is going to be very difficult for anyone to really see how much the work that they are doing is making sense because you just where i guess you can see something from the data that you have in your individual x mails files that you create but it would be nice to have some basic system which just displays some stuff so maybe we should try doing something really simple like just displaying a whole meeting and like just being able to scroll through it or something like that or just adapt like they are like just sort of go from their system and adapt that piece for piece and see how we could how we could arrange like adapt that to our system does anyone want to like to sit with me and like play for 3 hours with night x mail at some point are you free after this i would not like to be i would like to go to the gym i am theoretically free but if there is any time friday yeah some awful friday you have nothing no 5 every time on wednesday wednesday i have got a 9 12 9 to 12 you have or you yeah nothing in the afternoon i have got nothing in the afternoon any time wednesday afternoon i would be clear okay so yeah we are about just in afton tower yeah or for us till whatever one is easy to discuss stuff i do not know i will be in i am not buying the aston tower one anyway okay what time is do well i will be there from 12 i have got some other stuff that needs to on that lab so if you are not there at 12 i can just work on that okay i will just meet you in 18 in the afternoon i guess at the moment i guess at the moment nobody critically depends on like the nightexmell stuff working right now right like at moment you can all do your stuff and i can do my lsa stuff and i can even do the display to a vast degree without technically having the supplying framework working so it is not that crucial i would need the raw text pretty soon because i have to find out how i have to put the segments into bins yeah i need the raw text as well yeah i was more thinking of the whole browser framework as a running program now yeah i think we all need the raw text in different in different flavors do not we yeah i thought you said that you did looked at extracting the text yes i did but i have only just got the nodes i have to still have to order everything by the time yeah so you should be doing it in python yeah yeah i think it is quite easy yeah did you use the xml parcel in python right yeah so yeah because yeah i was having a look at it as well and i noticed the speakers are all in a separate file did you have to combine them all and then reorder them yeah that is what i thought had to just combine them and then order their timestamps according yeah so that is approach and well i was going to do so you may as well collaborate okay what i found out was that there are quite a lot of things without time stamps in the beginning in the word files yeah that is just an id or something yeah everything that is word has a time stamp yes but what are the other things that is some kind of number maybe a file number or something number or something that is in the beginning what is that i am not sure what you mean i think there are quite a lot of numbers in the beginning where there is no time stamps for the numbers i think they say quite a lot of numbers and before that there is this number the number within the xml context yeah there are numbers in the double you tag but there are no time stamps are they spoken numbers do they look like their utterances yeah there is the number task is not there that is part of the whole thing that is at the end i think yeah in the beginning as well sometimes i think all right at least i saw so so yeah we have to probably cut that out anyway for our part i do not know it is probably going to screw up a lot of our data otherwise yeah not sure if it would do i think it would not as it occurs i mean it would be because in every meeting it would probably make the yeah if you have segments for that probably and i think it even has its own annotation like digits or something so that should be really easy to i am just thinking like it would probably like the lsa would perform quite well on it we will probably find another number test quite easily yeah a constraint vocabulary with a high co occurrence of the same 9 words but what is it actually that numbers it is just the test of the system i think so but there are no time stamps i think it is also something that they said the numbers in order right they have to read numbers yeah i think it sounded like they wanted to check out how well they were doing with overlapping and stuff because basically it is like they are reading them at different speeds but you know in which order they have said i did not have a look at that so ixie had some reasons for doing it i have to be pissed off saying like numbers have every meeting and also there are different combinations of letters b r u and something like that is it everything ordered are the timestamps global or are they local i thought they were local to up to take the meeting dave if you or actually for just minutes well if you are doing idfs or whatever you call your frequency i was mixed up the name you need some dictionary for that at some point though you need to have some representation of a word as not that specific occurrence of that word token but of a given word form because you make an account for a word form yeah so we should work together on that because i need a dictionary as well i was just going to use the hash map one in java because i am only going to do it in small documents it is just like until the information density is up and running just something to get into work with did not you say that there is only going to use quite small documents to start with yeah i am just wondering for the whole thing who was it of you who said that there is some program which spits out a dictionary probably with frequency yeah it is rainbow it is i think it is just a dictionary in the 1st place okay is anyone of you for the document frequency or over total frequency you are going to have total frequencies of words then with that right like over the whole corpus sort of no i have to bin it up and so i will only have counts for each each bin something why does it need to be classified into like different segments it is because a range is a type classification system and i think it is not possible to have just one class that is the problem do not we just fill a 2nd kind of junk that you do not care about maybe we could like copies of shakespeare or something yeah sure you are sure we could do that but i do not know if that makes sense because if all we are looking for is the frequency statistics i do not see how that would be changed by the classification if we need just frequencies maybe we should just calculate them by using pearl or something or there may be enough a tool available yeah it is quite easy to just count and sort them by all in frequency using which tool are you talking about just using a pearl script be careful with that like my experience with the british national corpus was that there is far more word types than you ever think because anything that is sort of unusual generally is a new word type like any typo or any strange thing where they put 2 words together and also any number is a word type also any number is a word type of its own so you can easily end up with 100000 of words when you did not expect them so generally dictionaries can grow bigger than you think they do i do not know how many terms you can handle you can probably also pre filter like with regular expressions even just say if it consists of only digits then skip it or even if it consists any special characters then skip it because it is probably something with a dot in between which is usually not something you want to have i can not remember who has got it it might be wordnet but one of these big corpators has a list of stop words that you can download and they are just basically there is a really uninteresting boring words that we could filter out before we do that it is like that is one of the papers i read that is one of the things they did right at the beginning is they have got this big stop list and they just ignore all of those what i did for my project just ignored the 100 most frequent words because they actually end up all being articles and everything and stuff so we need like several of us need a dictionary am i the only one who needed with frequencies yeah it would be useful for me as well am i the only one who needs it with frequencies or i think that would be useful for me as well frequencies yeah well i guess as soon as we have the raw text we can probably just start with a java hash map and just hash map over it and see how far we get i mean you can probably on a machine with a few 100 megabyte ram you can go quite far you can run it on beefy so even if it goes wrong and even if it has a 1000000 well i really want to look into getting some subset of the xe corpus on the dice machines because i hate working on dice it is awful like so i can use my home machine 0 yeah burning it on a like we should be able to burn the whole corpus where has a cd ah see i ask the support about that 2 days ago in the informatics building there sorry in appleton tower 5 the ones closest 2 machines closest to the support office so i presume i would i have the exact email i think he is talking about sort of the ones that right hand corner yeah if you enter the big room in the right hand corner i think the thing is like you can only burn from the local file system so if it is from well actually i think if it is mounted you can directly burn from there but the problems i have my data on beefy and so i have to get it into the local temp director and burn it from there but you can burn it from there how big is it without are we looked at that up now we looked that up and i forgot because i could just say it going over scp one night and just leave it going all night if i had to yeah yeah we should be able to get it i do not think it was i do not think it was a gigabyte because yeah i mean wave data obviously not going to get off there see i would offer you to get it on this one and then like copied but you know what i figured out i am quicker downloading over broadband my computer than using this hard disk there is something strange about the way how they access the hard disk how they mounted which is unfortunate i will see if i can see it i suppose what operating system do you have i have got a linux box and the windows what connection do you have do you have at home yeah so if anyone of us gets it we can then just use a yeah burn it to cd i can if i can yeah burn it to cd or yeah put it on hardness whatever question is if you are not quicker if you because you should get massive compression out of that like 50% or something with a good algorithm so if you can compress it and just put it into a temp direction i am not sure if there is enough space is how much do you get the temp the temps usually have a gigabyte free or the gigabyte free or 2 the temps yeah like i mean there is no guarantee that anything stays there but overnight it will stay and i think the temps usually have but that would have to be the temp directory of the machine you can ssh into directly of ssh yeah but i can do it from that session do not i i can compress it from a remote session in the same session yeah that is a set in the same session yeah they probably hate you for doing it they would probably like you more if you ssh into another computer compress it there and then sort of copied into the gateway machine do you think they have if you ssa you know if you ssa and they have this big warning about doing nothing at all in the gateway machine i do not know i was thinking of sshing just into some machine and then just fcping it from there to your home machine i mean it has to go through the gateway i have not figured out how to tunnel through the gateway into another machine yet it is not easy definitely that is why i end up sort of copying stuff into the temp directory at the gateway machine sorry if this is boring everybody else this is just details in how to get stuff home from we can probably just look at that together when we are meeting okay i just wondered so who is then doing the frequencies on the words because i think i will also i could also make use of it for the agreement and disagreement thing because i in my outline i talked about using the discourse acts 1st and then in the chunks of text i found looking for word patterns and so on so i would for example need the most frequent words well if you cut off all that as soon as somebody gives me the raw text of the whole thing i can probably just implement like a 5 line java hash table frequency dictionary builder and see yeah but i need it for my chance then i would you know did you not say frequency of words no sorry yeah but i i would like to look at the frequency of words in my in the regions of text i found out to be interesting so i would not need it it would have to be recalculated yeah you would have to count it yourself yeah but 1st how big how big are the chunks how big are the chunks you looking at i think it would be you know as big as the hotspot annotation so quite small then that is quite small yeah so you could just you could use just the same thing we use to build a big dictionary just to do that online so that will not take fun to build a little bit to do that big all it i mean just use the same tool yes yeah yeah so i would probably just concatenate all my text chunks and then that is the same i will 0 you do not want to have different counts for each chunk but just like sort of for something from all chunks yes 0 yeah no that is yeah so once i write an art like if i write like an algorithm which does a hash table dictionary with frequency from a raw text then the raw text can be anything so how far are you getting raw text out of it do you think i can get all the vortex but it has to be audits too okay well that is good because for the dictionary the order does not make a difference does it so yes so i will get that from you and i will write a hash table which goes over that and creates a dictionary file so for the dictionary is it okay if i do whatever word blank frequency or something just could everybody sort of start from that i mean i guess we can well that is a using tf idea for the information density it is in what is implemented in reing information gain and i am not quite sure how they calculate that right because frequency would be useful i think yeah i need frequency as well depending on the context the size and what we consider a document in the sense of calculating t the idf is going to change i think we might have a lot in common what we talked about i for my latent semantic analysis need like counts of words within a document within a segment actually within a topic segment 0 that is with rainward does i think you can just get probabilities for certain words for each document can i convert these 2 can i convert these probabilities back into frequency i would have to look at that okay so that is what rainbow does because that is what lsa builds on like it builds a document by frequency matrix like before we get that even though but i already have i already have my code to build it up myself i do not know if i have my code already yeah if you said you need the frequency counts actually for it would be used for yeah document but you say not for the whole well you need the raw frequency as well but you also need how many times things occur within each document and what we consider a document is going to depend on our context i think if we are looking at a whole lot of meetings we will consider each meeting a document in sort of terms of this algorithm and if we are viewing like say just a small topic segment you might look at even each utterance there is a small document it more and more appears to me that if we if we scrap the notion of the meeting as an individual thing and sort of see meetings as topic segments and have sort of like hierarchical topic segmentation instead then it is like a more coherent framework it has been a reason thought of how actually maybe it does not actually matter maybe if you just do it once at the highest level it will be fine but i was just thinking it might be difficult to calculate the tf idf offline for the different levels we might want so if we are going to allow this joint segment for example then how we can know what is going to be in context at any given time but i suppose if you just did it if you just did it globally treating the meeting of a document would probably still be work out fine because you would only be comparing the ones within the content are we using this for the for the for the for the waiting in the end now this this measure you are calculating i do not know i thought were you going to use that in the end the inflation then please if we are doing i think for the information density we should calculate it on the lowest level not on the highest 0 sorry that is what i mean like yeah for each word or whatever but across the whole lot is what i mean by the highest level across the whole corporate yeah but do not you have to like go sort of like for in a document versus the whole thing is not that how it works that you look at yeah but you would probably look at each meeting as a document i do not think that is a good idea because is not it like that we expect it to change over with different topic segments more that they are talking about something different in each different topic segment possibly because that is what relative term frequency is about that like in some context they are talking more about a certain word than in general so that would more be the topic segments then and that is what i thought as well that probably the topic segment level is the most informative yeah are they big enough to get anything new as well yeah that is the problem i do not know i am just wondering if there is ways to abandon the whole concept of of meetings and sort of just not really treating separate meetings as too much of a separate entity well yeah it is not an issue you just concatenate an xml file together but we still want to have like a notion of meetings for the user yes definitely but on algorithmic level whether we actually whether there is some way to just represent meetings as topics yeah you just like whatever you want to look at you just jam together into an xml file and that is your meeting even though bits that may have come from all over the place or whatever i do not see why that is really a big problem that is not really what i meant but i think i have to think more about what i meant i am going to be confused about everything so basically what you are saying is you can take an arbitrary amount of data and process it with the same algorithm it does not matter conceptually what that data is it could be a meeting it could be 2 utterances it could be a meeting plus half a meeting or somewhere else i am not so concerned about a meeting plus something else i am more talking about like yeah keeping the same algorithm and the same way of handling it and just saying like just this topic here happens to be like a whole meeting and it has sort of subtopics such as that sort of topic is a hierarchical concept where like the topic where there can be super topics and topics are in the end what the meetings are but in general at some level super topics are treated like topics i think it is very difficult though i mean what you do is you just build an xml file and if you wanted to get down to the utterances you go to the leaves and then if you wanted the next level up you go to the parents of those and like just go from like going to please inwards towards the branch to build up things like you know when you click on a segment it is going to have like words or whatever that are important i am pretty sure what i am going to as long as like the algorithms are designed with it in mind i do not think it is a very good problem so sorry you can describe that again then well like say you had like say for a meeting right you have got like say a hierarchy that looks quite big like this and like the utterances come off here maybe then when whatever your algorithm is doing as long as when you are working with utterances you go for all the leads like then if you need something next up so like a topic segment you would go to here but if you were looking at say this one so it only went like this right so you say you would start with the leaves and you go 0 i want a topic segment so i go one layer up and then if you are working with just a topic segment in there it is the only thing you have to worry about and like each time you want a higher level you just need to go after the tree as long as your algorithm respects that then we can just process any arbitrary x and i follow with whatever hierarchy structure you want so that would be the serious as a whole that would be sort of a meeting say in that would be the topic 2nd i am a bit brain damaged at the moment but i think i will just sit together with you again and go through it again so i think as long as you build an algorithm that respects whatever structures in the file rather than imposing its own structure so is this and this structurally then always identical so that we can treat it with this algorithm more i mean it could be as many nodes as you want this one could be deeper maybe so then you start with all your utterances here and when you go up to get topic segments you go to here here here here here here here that might be a bit confusing though because you have things on different levels yeah i am also not sure how we can go from bottom up i have always thought it is like more that ah whatever i can not think of it at the moment probably this is all too complicated worrying about that at that moment is there anything else we should discuss no have we decided anything are we doing anything well wednesday we are meeting and looking at their implementation in some more detail to understand what is going on so we will see if we can get like a mini browser just displays 2 things sync together yeah 2 things from their stuff just to make sure that we are like understanding we understand it enough to modify it you should not have a group directory or something where we can put all our code in it may be useful i do not know who you see about that yeah how would you do that by just making like read right for everyone okay who is most free space on there i can not really do it i have probably got a repo amount because everything on my can actually be deleted because i store it all at home as well alternatively we can probably just make another directory on the bp scratch space i mean that is where i am having gigabytes and gigabytes of stuff at the moment is that guaranteed to stay there no no yeah we can ask steve have been we can get space yeah but i think you should send a support for him but i think if he sends to support he would probably be a better position yeah yeah i am sure he had to deal with that last year yeah because that would be really useful as if we had a big directory especially for transferring having said that we allowed to take a copy of the xc office i think you should probably ask before we do it i think you said yes to that i think that was like when we were still in the seminar room i asked it once or like ask is it possible to get it off and nobody said like people were discussing about the technical practicalities but nobody said anything about being allowed to or not allowed to i mean we have access to it here and i guess it probably means that we can not give it to anybody else but if they give us access to it here sitting on a dice machine then they should be the reason why we should not be able to use it on a laptop i personally do not have too many friends who would be too keen on getting it anyway i have this really excited pirate copied thing annotated meeting data so shall we sit together tomorrow then yeah what is the text you are extracting looking like then at the end what would be best at the moment it is because i think it is actually very similar to what i did for my speaker extraction and i think i would perhaps have to change 2 lines of code to get you for each meeting a file that says from this millisecond to this millisecond there was this sequence of words and so on so that is just changing to lens of code and we need to be here so okay so do you extract the words the text as well yeah so far i extracted the durations but it is from the words file so i could just concatenate the words instead of the durations and it should i mean it should be very straightforward i can try to do it and send it to you okay and you have a look at it how it makes sense for what you want okay so have you already expected from all the files i just let it run over all the files yes wait wait wait wait i always according to the starting terms of theater what i just realized we should really keep different series completely separate for virtually all purposes just let us be careful about that because like the xsycorpos is not one meeting series several meetings series with different people meeting for completely different things yeah i mean i have one what i give you would be one file for each meeting for each meeting yeah not for each meeting series okay but like let us just be careful that whatever we sort of be merged together that is like the highest level of merging it is not the whole xcorpos but individual series yeah one meeting it might be funny to see what is summarized the whole corpus case anyway i think we might actually i think i think it is probably somewhere like well or something like it i think we might just get away with for the whole project just like looking at only one series and just doing within one series i mean you can do everything you want in one series yeah i mean there is one series that has just one meeting 0 yeah that takes a bit is the data always clearly split up a different series is it easy to just pick one the data is of the form you have 3 identification letters so b b b b d or something and that is always the same group and then after that there is a number like 0 2 so at every level everyone has to be careful to really just take even at the highest level just take stuff from one series not merge stuff from different series together because they would probably be just majorly messy is it just to see yeah so like even if you make one single text file which has the whole corpus sort of our corpus that will still be from one series only what you are producing at the moment is like individual text files that sort of have the raw text for a whole meeting as a whole world yes but i mean as the start times start for each meeting at 0 you could just probably just add the final 2nd time to the next meeting and then we would have to change the information about who on which channel it was said to by which person it was said and that is actually started in another xml document thing at the moment like which is just the words yeah that is what i am going to need yeah that is what i am going to need as well then just not print out the style of end times but if they are like so it is not an end times just for the file like is it just the 1st in the last line or is it by every single thing in no it is for every single word so what do you mean by just not print out that i do it with pearl it is just string manipulation i mean i would just if you are into it can you make a text that which just like makes just the words sure okay do you want it straight flowing because i would need something that marks the end of of is you are segmented by topic standards like is there any information that you have to the topic to the automatic topic presentation no i did not use so yeah 0 then i need something different later anyway okay but for now if you that is what nlcs say though that marks the end of each segment okay you are going to put that as an output of yours the segmentation okay so for now can you create like sort of just a dump with pure text just a few texts that i can get a dictionary and you can work on that for your topic segmentation and you would want that all in one file for all the corpus for the series but i can also deal with separate files i mean i can just write the algorithm that it loads all files in the directory or something but i mean yeah i can directly put it so if you can put it in one single mega file that would be quite useful for me so only words per meeting series even though for you would not it be easy if you had different files because i need sort of know like yeah for me it is better for finding me so give me different files as long as like if you could name them in a way that is easy to enumerate over them like whatever 12345 or something it is just anything that i can yeah they will just take over the names they have anyway yeah is it something that is easily like to enumerate over is it some some ordered pattern okay cool one series has the same 3 starting letters okay cool yeah so only words and words sometimes i do not need the times i just need the words but yeah you wanted to order okay okay anyway orders orr based start times yeah and do you want yeah sometimes they are contained in one another so it does not matter too much i think okay order and it is when do you think you will have like a primitive segmentation by some made topic segmentation but i am already made tool ready then not be really you could do once you have got the barcates okay okay cool because i will need that then when it is done yeah and hopefully that is week and i think for all the corpus it is just from what i know for my time it is 9 megabyte to have means it should be similar to have words what is 9 megabyte all the words together for the meetings that sounds quite reasonable that is 9 characters over what i am guessing that is you know because 9 megabyte is what i got for when i said for every utterance this goes from there to there okay that is for are we picking one particular series at the moment or 0 yeah i am doing it for doing it far all but it does not matter yeah i guess we can probably process the data for all different series and then check which series is the best for the presentation it sounds quite reasonable 9 megabyte i mean if you think if it is roughly a 1000000 words and 9 characters per word sound playlist i hope it will be the same for the words it is just with that yeah so i am going to build a dictionary from that like just a list of the words that maybe a list of the words with the frequencies are a list of the words sorted alphabetically or numerically what does anyone want to sustain any wishes for dictionaries i could just use it with the frequency i think until the information density means finished that would be really useful so i will create a dictionary so i will probably send a just one file of the 1st meeting to all those who need it so that you can have a look at the structure yeah and then the actual file we can probably like copy from your home directory or something like it yeah i mean if it is just for one meeting it is really not too big yeah but i am saying for the whole thing in the end and like the big thing we probably should not do by email yeah how long would it take to make the frequency counts for the java hashtable from the time i get the file i can do that in an afternoon the next morning 0 you mean how long processing time it takes no how long you would have to program something it is a borg standard algorithm i have written it for a deal just in half an hour or something similar it is just you put them in a hash table and say well if it exists already in the hash table then you increase the count by one and i probably implement some filter for filtering out numbers or something because it is quite easy in pearl as well it is just a line of code for counting all the words really how do you do that yeah it is by hashes okay well i do not know any i mean if anyone wants to do a pearl script for that that does it nicely i have no problem with that but i think i have the java code virtually ready because fadilla wrote something very similar like fadilla wrote something that counts the different occurrences well the tags if you are doing it in java do you serialize the output as well as writing it to a file sorry if you are doing it in java if you serialize the hash table yeah as well as writing it to a file i have never serialized anything really easy would not that be absolutely massive though i do not see why it be any more massive in the file and then serialize and then write the serialization to a file yeah so you want like a file which is the serialization of a half table i just say to you passing the file representation of it now because i would be using it in java anyway so i would just be building the data structure again i will check if i understand how it works i mean otherwise i can give you the code for loading a dictionary it is just it is sort of a line break separated file yeah it seems like a bit silly to be passing it over and over again kind of thing yeah yeah i will see if i understand how to serialize there is a serialized command so that gives me one mega mother of the i would have thought that i think all the collections and things implement serializable already yeah but do they automatically write to the file anyway i figured that out i think they might do yeah is that pretty much pretty much it so dave and me look at get how nightexmail works and we are i will try and i will either work some more on tf idf summarize or do the audio thing i will build a dictionary as soon as i get the text and yeah so that when do we have to meet again then with this i do not know i suppose we are just getting on with all our components how are we going to do a demonstrator next week we have to demonstrate something next week what do we have to demonstrate no not demonstrate but like did not you say that or did not we sort of agree that it would be useful to have a demonstrator of it like some primitive thing working next week yeah it suggested that we could have an initial prototype it has got to be very prototype i know i would be surprised that we can get anything walking i feel like i feel like i am let us go so i feel like hanging mid air and not really like finding a point where you can get your teeth into it and start working properly yeah i know it is all so fuzzy though i think it is because had to specify it ourselves that it is not as like focus as specification of most work yeah but at the moment but at the moment it is also an implementation level like with the data structures i am just like over these vague ideas of some trees once we start doing it it will become more than obvious i think then yeah it is just we are halfway through the project time that is what just freaks me out yeah okay so next time if you know when you start to me look i have some for use ai being here in the system everything i have done every form of computation the logistics network like is real that is real that is yeah but like nothing that has rules like i do not like rules to be a set of life and i do not like to be so you know we can not even data not like that you know america i think you know thank you" ]

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[ "okay here we go alright the agenda for thi 0 alright the agenda for this meeting is we will initially have the prototype presentation by our 2 designers and then we will evaluate it given the criteria that that we gave gave it and talk about our finances whether we were under or over our budget i have a a spreadsheet where we can calculate our prices for every aspect of of what we have made given our options and evaluate the product as a group okay and so 1st we will have the prototype presentation do you need the powerpoint for this yeah i just got a few slides so show them alright thank you do you want to present it this is what we came up with yeah here we are it is a pretty simple design it is based on a mango yeah and we mango shape on a mango okay yeah and we have the company logo here and this will be the infrared here and this will be the power point the on off button kind yeah the l e d 0 okay i am sorry what was the where is the l e d oops it is in the middle of one of the little r s 0 okay and then the other one is the power and we just have a simple design we wanted it all to be so it is palm held accessible from your thumb yeah palm held and all the yeah yeah buttons are accessible from your thumb notice you have a number 10 button so you do not have to 0 that was a mistake was not it okay right no that is a 0 you just need the nought take that one off sorry i was in charge of the numbers no problem ah and this is just if you have got like 11 or 12 or thirt the plus so one +one would be 11 or you can go 13 or something 0 you press that 1st and then you go 13 yeah you press a plus button 0 okay i have never heard of that kind before well we just thought we have all the numbers here so we wanted something representative of numbers larger than 10 and yeah because if you on your average remote if you press one twice you just go to or say you wanted channel 12 yeah you press one and then you go to channel one and then 2 then you would just go to channel 2 instead of 12 yeah 0 there is no e okay so if you did like one +2 you could go to channel 12 or 2 +2 is channel 22 so the +and then yeah 0 i okay but would you have to go 0 +one if you wanted to go to channel one or 2 no no th all that is why we have all these numbers these numbers these numbers all work independently up to 9 yeah but i mean if you press it will go to that channel right away yeah cause you got to press the plus afterwards 0 no the plus is only for if you are going past the number 9 yeah i know but if if i want to go to say number like 65 channel 65 60 if i press the 6 it will go to channel 6 you p and then i will press the +and then it will go to 6 and then put the 5 and it will go to 65 0 no you press the +1st i i well it does not we have not really s i would have thought you pressed the +1st and then the 65 0 but she says plus press which what do you think is simpler well i do not mind we can further define that i th it is a i would not have thought it would be a problem that it went to channel 61st in like on the way to channel 65 yeah yeah it would not be a problem yeah but i was just wondering like as long as we realize that is what it will do but i suppose it is not as snappy well the there is a there is a delay on remotes i think oops where you can have it it is like a 52nd input time yeah yeah yeah if you do not put it so as long as you hit them dada yeah yeah yeah that yeah it should be fine yeah as long as there is not a big pause between the t hitting the 2 buttons yeah so was there so on the top there is volume and and channel which is so you could just go like that without thinking about it like a channel channel up volume up okay cool c and v just so we can flick right where where is the power button yeah it is in the middle of one of the little r s it is the bigger r it is the r 0 okay so it is just like yeah so it is all accessible yeah we deci without m taking your hand off the remote yeah yeah we went for like a a circular design for the numbers because we thought that is kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb 0 okay e ergonomics are all considered yeah and it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury as well ergonomic definitely ergonomic yeah it could cause another type of repetitive stress injury though okay but yeah no i mean it is a different movement so yeah yeah and the feel of it i mean we have made this out of play doh which is representing the you know the rubber and the spongy rubberness the spon yeah yeah cause it was said before in the material specification that this the this anti r s i material is often used in stress balls so this has got a you know a bit of give to it yeah and it just feels feels different yeah bit of a stress ball feel yeah would you like to feel it yourselves yes how it fits in the palm of your hand i would my goodness thanks there you go and you yes genevieve yeah 0 it is nice 0 i think i killed the 5 i did i killed the 4 and something 0 god 0 okay as for the colors we were presented with a limited range of colors for this prototype 0 it smells good of play doh yeah but we are thinking that seeing as we are having it in interchangeable casing anyway that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colors that we would necessarily use or the combination and we are thinking to carry on with the fruit and vegetable theme the color combination just could just be named after different fruit like banana could be black and yellow 0 right watermelon red and green or vanilla might be the most popular if it just blends in more settled cream instead of the others are all a bit garish cause it would be quite subtle and yeah it looks more think like vanilla and banana would banana is more representative of our color scheme like the company the yellow and black yeah okay yeah so that for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength i mean watermelon you know m probably appealing to the yeah seasonal kinda christmas you know yeah yeah yeah apple green brown more kinda trendy you know khaki yeah the pomegranate is kinda girly and funky kind of and then the vanilla is more for the more sophisticated customer who just wants something that fits in with all decor cool yeah okay yeah we thought of the components it was definitely a focus of ergonomics and just a single ha handheld device i mean you do not need to use both hands one hand to hold this and type in with the other you can just use your thumb yeah as we said the rubber is probably used for comfort and anti r s i and that is about it alright thank you very much good work everyone bravo alright and so now that we have we have a prototype we need to go over the finances and seeing if this prototype matches what our budget can handle so i have something i am going to you want the 0 wait a minute do you need to do a presentation 1st i do not know what order it goes in yeah i am going to check that out for a 2nd i have one go what time is it anyw 0 yeah sorry you are right evaluation cri okay evaluation criteria is next in line that is me yeah hello 0 there we go okay come on my computer come on sorry my computer is giving me technical difficulties just press function 8 again should i press it again last time i did that it sh okay you are right and then again i think one more time 0 still not there yeah yeah okay now i think for this one i could would you guys prefer use the whiteboard or mayb maybe i will just do it on right on the screen where you can see it we are going to be doing an evaluation report together based on the protoptype that we have just seen and looking looking back at my notes from our both our conceptual and our functional meetings i made a list of what our original requirements and goals were back to our kick off meeting this morning and we will evaluate as to whether we have s done what we set out to do and we are going to do it on a one to 7 scale where one is true and 7 is false so basically the lower p the lower the points the better okay so question number one does the remote whoops sorry 0 i am not going to be able i will do it on the whiteboard i can not change it so i am g i am going to ask you to push it down once okay i will write down our scores up on the ooh okay so number one do we have a fancy look and feel feel i think we have been quite successful with the rubber coating and yeah the look is a little bit more playful well yeah yeah yeah i guess that depends on your definition of fancy but it is definitely different it is not your traditional yeah 0 definitely different yeah i think the color has a lot to do with it i mean th the colors we were given for making the prototype are not the colors that i think we would have necessarily chosen yeah it is not the kind of ooh at all sleek red black and yellow and orange 0 you were only given red and black 0 okay yeah so not very sleek and we do not want to go for black because most remote controls are black or gray yeah so we want it to be stand out that way anyway yeah but if you can imagine that in like a s just a maybe a kind of pale metallic y finish or something okay yeah a metallic y finish we were thinking well i know know it is for rubber yeah polished i mean diff if you can visualize this in nice colors i think it would look quite fancy okay yeah yeah yeah i kinda i like the potato look 0 well potato mango fruit and veg we we were we were thinking about yeah it is mango it is very different it is what it is mango 0 sorry the mango the mango look potato is fine yeah it is fruit or vegetable depends on your mood potato is fine yeah totally it is really adaptable so i myself would say a one or a 2 yeah i would say 2 personally i w i would say 2 i think it is a 2 okay and p for the fanciness fancy yeah one being true so i 23 2 okay actu that is pro that is going to get confusing like that yeah okay so question number 2 was is it techn technologically innovative so i know we have the kinetic energy which is very innovative yeah yeah and the use of the rubber use of the rubber the use of the l e d yeah for the anti r s i yeah the l e d use is not particularly innovative and we do not have any scroll buttons it is all pushbuttons is not there is no l c d control so if we are thinking about the rest of the market it is sort of probably halfway yeah in some aspects it is like we said yeah i would say maybe 3 i will go for 3 as well yeah and i think i mean it it is tough to say because we were we did not want it to be any more innovative than this because then that would have defeated the purpose no yeah yeah we want it simple though it was our specification would not be simple yeah so i mean i we will put 3 but i think we actually reached our goal yeah yeah we did not want it any more than that okay question number 3 will it be easy to use i think so yeah yeah very yeah yeah yeah yeah i think one for that s yeah i think it is you can not really get confused with that yeah yeah one yeah no i mean there will be s we have to work out the number the plus system th the plus number thing yeah that is the only thing yeah but once that is figured out it should be fine yeah and perhaps the turning on but number 4 is this a good looking remote remember that 75% of users find most remote controls ugly it is definitely again i think the color comes into this yeah color will definitely be a factor i think that the logo could be smaller okay yeah and maybe not such a prominent way but the maybe like at the bottom kind of remember the management said that it it had to be prominent not in whoops 0 it just had to be on there i guess should just not touch it yeah do not worry this time it is the 3 i killed i was just wondering if it should be like flatter or i suppose i have got quite big hands i like the appeal of it being like a big glob in your hand well yeah but you know what i have just thought of there now what where is it going to sit in your living room is it not going to fall off the arm of the sofa maybe if the bottom was just sort of flat and then the rest is like yeah the bottom could be like ch chopped a bit yeah but then it would not sit as comfortably in your hand round 0 that is true it would still be comfortable i think yeah thing is like that it is not going anywhere particularly we c we could handle it i think maybe it could it could be on the bottom so you would not loo like if it is flat here so it sits up yeah like that 0 that would be nice ah it would fall over all the time though it would be annoying yeah it is less what is th ha yeah i g if it is weighted maybe h it has got higher center of gravity like that kay we are done designing details details okay come on so is this a good looking remote would we want to show it off to our friends 3 you would though cause it is bit it is more interesting than other remotes yeah i think it was another color and it was like i think it would look okay i think maybe a 2 yeah i mean i gue yeah it is personal taste but i would definitely go for that rather than like your average plain old remote like that but definitely in another color i am not happy with those colors yeah yeah okay so should we say 2 for that sure yeah yeah yeah okay question number 5 what is will people be willing to spend €25 on this product remember that 80% of users were willing to spend more money when a remote control looked fancy i think we have to market it in the right way that to say that it is simplistic yeah so people do not just see it and think this is so simplistic i do not want to spend €25 yeah we have to market it yeah it the marketing will have a lot to do with it yeah and the kinetic energy shaker style y whoo ooh no and the kinetic energy part yeah yeah shake it and the buttons fall off durable but you know those will be firmly on do not shake 0 no the plus no i guess i do not know much about the remote control industry how much your average sells for but i know i am are not i you are use the 0 make a new one but you are our marketing expert i think they are about 10 po £10 are not they about £10 but you do not have to buy batteries 15 so in the long term this can actually save you money yeah yeah that is true 0 so we will market it that way too exactly yeah exactly so yeah i think with a good marketing scheme and the personalisation options it will good point yeah i would give it a 2 still though yeah yeah yeah okay number 6 can someone read it out does this prototype match the operating behavior of the average user or yeah yeah so that was mainly that the statistics we said yeah i think it does very well 0 yeah because yeah because the most accessible buttons are the volume and the and the channel changing the zap yeah and it is just you will not have to think about it yeah you do not have to look down to find them they are clearly there easy to use yeah yeah i guess the i think the key word there is average cause there were some people that used the video input and sound and stuff simple yeah but they are not you and i really so yeah okay so one yeah yeah okay number 7 c heather could you push it down will this remote control be easy to find when lost remember that 50% of users lose their remote regularly now is there the is the alarm system still was it implemented we have the alarm system yeah the bu when you press the alarm system the lights behind the and it will vibra it yeah l lights on and or flash as well but i mean it is not obviously obvious from the outside that that is going to happen cause you can not s particularly see an alarm it will be again in the marketing i thought the light from the inside was going to light up yeah the light it will or or was it going to make a noise but yeah but when the alarm is not yeah but both if you you press the button it makes a noise right it turns into a duck and starts quacking yeah yeah you could s yeah 0 that would be brilliant yeah here i am awesome awesome i would be tempted to well the thing is if it was had an alarm system i mean when it when it lights up as we i mean it could light up when the alarm went yeah but if it was hidden underneath the cushion or something there would not be any point so you can not see the alarm but it would light up it would have to be in the market i though w it was going to make a noise okay yeah yeah but you still could not see it alarm but you can not see an alarm inside the alarm system itself it would just be a little speaker on the back or something okay we 0 you are just explaining why it is not on the prototype yeah but yeah it will be there yeah so we can we could say that 0 okay it w yeah whoo okay sorry we can give it a one because compared to every other remote ever m ever made this one will be easier to find yeah totally yeah okay sorry heather that was not very clear no problem question number 8 will it be easy to learn how to use this remote when brand new remember that 34% of users usually found it difficult so it has to be yeah it is eas they will pick it up and they will know what to do totally so the plu the plus w once that is written down on the page that will be really simple will not it the plus thing needs to be worked on yeah yeah i think just because it is we have decided to reduce it down to the basic buttons i think that in itself makes it so much easier to use yeah well yeah do does it make more sense for the middle one to be an just an enter button so then you would have to push 2 buttons every time at least yeah so it is just like channel 66 enter that kind of annoys me though when it is 06 when you have to press i do not know why yeah but you do not have to press zeros you could just press 6 enter or 12 enter 0 okay and or 66 enter y and then like 12 enter right alright aye yeah yeah yeah i think that is probably more straightforward yeah good yeah okay so we can we will say yes it is one i would say w yeah one yeah yeah okay ooh question number 9 0 will it minimize the effects of r s i which was repeated strain injury yeah injury which affected over a quarter of users s i think so it is like right in the but if you are zapping yeah your thumb might get a little bit yeah that is what i was thinking i do not think it will f we may have to do some more research into other strain injuries that we do not know about yeah the biology yeah but it is soft it is soft and and that is kind of what the and people could the powerpoint slide thing said would be good for r s i so maybe it is but yeah yeah i do not know what other options there are i think we are getting that is true yeah could i mean you could hold it in your left hand and d use your index finger but there is not really any other options unless it is like a keyboard so i think we did as as much as you can with a remote control yeah yeah yeah so one or 2 do you think i i would say t 2 i think yeah i think too yeah 2 okay yeah okay number 10 did we somehow incorporate the company color and logo yes we did yeah now is the color going to be there even if it is like vanilla n we we can not really do that because for example on the banana theme we can not have it as being yellow is the yellow it will not stand out so n it is not always going to be the same color it sounds like the color is something that we well yeah the colors are yellow and gray yeah gray yeah so it could be gray on the banana one yeah could be gray yeah but i mean the yell yeah d yellow is ugly though depending on the yeah that is right we did not even rea so i think we will have to talk to our executive managers and see if we can get away with just the r r yeah yeah i think this is the the factor that we have been least successful in confronting okay perhaps a metallic or or like that is gray and it would not be that expensive to have a little bit of metal yeah no yeah that is not rubber and the buttons in the middle okay yeah so do you think that is more of a 3 then 34 4 i think 4 well i do not what do what well we have good reasons for it so we but we can still put a hum a 4 okay okay okay and final question did we stay true to our motto and put the fashion into electronics current trends of fruits and veggies desire for sponginess i would say so following that briefing we did but maybe more like 2 cause there is no like pictures of fruit it is just sort of naming it by a fruit yeah yeah yeah with the with the colors like the color scheme names and stuff yeah no are the plates interchangeable i think i missed a few they are yeah yeah yeah so you can have banana and kiwi and okay yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so that is something that is kind of in the making too like maybe it will become more that is fashionable in itself to have interchangeable plates it is i think w yeah i think one well that was our brief and we followed the brief well we have not got a big banana but the thing is i think if somebody saw that and you said what was that inspired from i do not know if you would instantly say mango 0 yeah be like no no yeah maybe if it was scented 0 that would be class 0 yeah there we go that would be great yeah we have money for that alright so based on this evaluation do we average them out sorta thing yes we do so i wh what was i going to put for that a 2 for fashion 0 i would say 2 yeah 2 okay okay so our average there 5681011 1213151921 divided by 11 it is is one9 or something it is yeah i do not know these things between one and 2 between one and 2 between okay so that is pretty fantastic close to 2 yeah yeah that is very good cause the highest we could have got is one i got alright does that seem right then yeah cause we have a 4 to bring down okay aye it seems like it should be more around 2 yeah yeah should have added 5 do we have an online calculator i am attempting to do that right now this is okay yeah it is one9 ooh yay 0 wow well done go heather pauls well that is excellent yeah alright now with that over and done with our next step is to see if we are under budget and my computer is frozen and now it is not okay so in our shared folder if everyone could go there right now sorry i am going to steal a cable are you going to do that okay it is it is is that the project document it is an excel file 0 production costs yeah yeah kay there we go production costs and i have to access that as well it says it one moment kay so far i have added what i think or what is going on great it is blinking at me it is locked for editing read only i am going to open up a 2nd one then cause it is locked for editing i have the original in my my email account 0 is it locked cause i am in it i dunno i think it just means that we can not add any more to it now or okay have you have you completed it no 0 right no i was hoping that you guys could okay okay there we go okay here we go so we need to tally up how much our w our product will be costing so if you can look up at the screen the large screen 0 i guess looking at your own too and telling me which one you think yeah okay we are using kinetic which is quite a large expense at €3 yeah 0 right we are using a regular chip yeah it is cur it is double curved so its curved all around double double curved yeah that is another 3 we are already at 5 we are using plastic and rubber so yeah good thing plastic is free we are at 8 what about a special color s are we using that yeah i guess we should do it just for one kind yeah so it is like special color well we will have 2 colors right yeah well one color for the case one color for the buttons so we can yeah we have push button interface so that is inexpensive and we have a special color for the button and we also have a special form and a special material and a special material yeah oof which puts us just barely under budget hurray congratulations guys is good yeah good work guys so our operating cost is €1220 that is good awesome and back to our powerpoint so we have kay yes we are so we need to do a product evaluation again which is probably i dunno a different extension of a of the actual project rather than the product yeah a project is is yeah yeah cause we are talking about leadership teamwork so wh how we actually went round about doing it yeah alright so do you guys feel like there was room for creativity i think we were pushed pushed for creativity i mean we were not really given a lot of time or materials yeah to go about our design task the ma or materials yeah so i think we could have done with a bit more time ye okay so it would be like need more time and materials yeah but you were allowed m creativity yeah i think so as like but you were supposed to have creativ yeah and the conceptual and functional like we were very creative in in coming up with an idea i guess but m yeah yeah well we were just limited by resources really and like if we had decided to use the l c d screen when we can down to it yeah okay right and like solar power backup and everything then we would not have been able to afford that so that did limit creativity creativity right just resources okay but yeah the fruit and veg idea great leadership yeah is this me being like guys do you like me good leadership i think we stayed on task yeah yeah we did yeah we have seeing as we have come out with what we intended a pro a product within the budget i think that is a sign of good leadership and also our personal coach helped us along the way so you know yeah and the timing was good i think it has been fine we never were pushed for time or sat around doing nothing so yeah yeah good timing oop okay and project manager of course teamwork i think we worked great as a team yeah yeah yeah was good teamwork i think we are well suited to our roles yeah yeah alright how were our means we needed more play doh colors yeah yeah and more play doh cause that was all the red we had yeah so even if we wanted to make a bigger prototype we would not have been able to yeah it c it might have been bigger 0 really okay but ever everything else was satisfactory is that good yeah the computer programs are good yeah the yeah it could be really straightforward for the computer yeah i do not think there was anything i think the only thing was having to remember to you know to tick the okays but i think i was the only one who struggled with that yeah i am actually not sure if i have saved my presentations yeah they will probably still be there me too yeah new ideas found i do not really know what that means well i think we have all learnt stuff from each other like the n yeah yeah through discussion just about each different got new ideas from each other i am not sure new ideas found yeah well i guess we really it we bounced off of each other which was cool yeah yeah like based on marketing stuff and then you would say something about interface and yeah worked well yeah yeah and we were a able to modify each other is ideas yeah to fit in with our areas of expertise yeah each other is 0 does it have smart materials by the way sorry does it have smart materials 0 yeah 0 yeah well did it come into the into i dunno if we counted that in the costs if if it if it if it can be afforded okay well with that achieved our last slide is our closing slide yes our costs are within budget yes it is evaluated generally positively yeah and do not forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary then we celebrate in such a way that i have no idea by watching t v yay fantastic okay brilliant alright yeah thank you very much okay bye conclusion dadada" ]

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[ "yeah there you go okay thank you okay thank you sorry 0 yeah why do we have 2 different microphones okay what would the difference yeah the difference interesting okay i can not see where the screen all right okay here we go there we go all right the agenda for this 0 all right the agenda for this meeting is we will initially have the prototype presentation by our 2 designers and then we will evaluate it given the criteria that we gave it and talk about our finances whether we were under or over our finances under or over our budget i have a spreadsheet where we can calculate our prices for every aspect of what we have made given our options and evaluate the product as a group okay and so 1st we will have the prototype presentation do you need the powerpoint for this yeah i have just got a few slides all right thank you this is a pretty good here we are this is what we came up with it is a pretty simple design it is based on a mango yeah 0 mango yeah and we have the company logo here and this will be the infrared and this will be the powerpoint the on off button 0 okay yeah sorry what was it where is the all the id it is in the middle of one of the other one is the power and we just have a sample design we wanted it all to be palm held yeah palm held and all the buttons are accessible on your thumb notice you have a number 10 button that was a mistake was not it right no 0 to make that one off sorry i was in charge of the number it is a problem and this is just that you have got like 11 or 12 the plus so one +one you can go one3 0 press a plus button then you go one 3 yeah 0 okay i have never heard of that kind before well we just thought we have all the numbers here so we wanted something representative of numbers larger than 10 yeah yeah because if you on your average remote if you press one twice you just go to or say you wanted channel 12 you press one then you go to channel one and then 2 then you would just go to channel 2 instead of 12 0 there is no 0 okay so if you just like one +2 you could go to channel 12 or 2 +2 is channel 10 would you have to go 0 +one if you wanted to go to channel one or 2 no no that is where we have all these numbers these numbers these numbers all work independently up to 9 yeah but i mean if you press it it will go to that channel right away yeah because you have got to press the plus afterwards 0 no the plus is going past number 9 yeah i know but if i want to go to say number 65 channel 65 if i press the 6 it will go to channel 6 and then i will press the +and then we will go to 6 and then put the 5 and we will go to 65 i do not know i would not thought you pressed plus number 65 but she is very i do not mind what are you saying define that i i would not have thought it would be a problem that it went to channel 61st yeah like on the way to channel yeah it would not be a problem yeah i am just wondering like as long as we realize that what it will do there is a delay on remotes i think where you can have it it is like a 52nd input time so as long as you hit them da da yeah yeah it should be fine as long as it is not a big pause between hitting the 2 buttons yeah so on the top there is volume and channel channel and volume up okay cool you could just feel like that without thinking about it right where is the power button it is in the network it is the bigger 0 okay so it is just like it is all accessible without taking your hand off the remote yeah yeah we went for like a circular design for the numbers because we thought that was kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb 0 okay ergonomics are all considered egonomics definitely ergonomic it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury it could cause another type of repress okay but yeah no i mean it is a different movement and the feel of it i mean we have made this out of plato which is representing the you know the rubber yeah spongy rubberness because it was said before in the material specification that this the this anti rsi materials often using stress bolts so this has got a you know a bit of give to it and yeah a bit of a stress bar feel yeah yeah feel it yourself yeah how it fits my goodness there you go thank you did you did you 0 it is nice 0 i think i killed the 5 i did 0 god okay as for the colors we were presented with a limited range of colors for this prototype but we are thinking that seeing as we are having it in interchangeable casing anyway that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colors that we are we would necessarily use all the combinations and we are thinking to carry on with the fruit and vegetable theme the color combination just could be named after different fruit like banana black and yellow watermelon red green or vanilla might be the most popular if it is just a blending more subtle creams it looks more a bit garish do you like vanilla and banana would banana is more representative of our color like the company the yellow and black yeah 0 okay yeah so that for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength i mean watermelon you know probably appealing kind of christmas you know yeah seasonal apple green brown more kind of trendy you know yeah the pomegon it is kind of girly and funky kind of cool yeah more to the more sophisticated customer yeah something that is like all of decor okay yeah we thought of the components it was definitely a focus of ergonomics and just a single handheld device i mean you do not need to use both hands one hand to hold this and type in with the other you can just use your thumb yeah as you said the rubber is probably used for rubber is probably used for comfort and anti rsi that is about it all right thank you very much good work everyone all right and so now that we have a prototype we need to go over the finances and seeing if this prototype matches what our budget can handle so i have something i am going to 0 wait a minute do you need to do a presentation 1st i do not know what order it goes in yeah i am going to check that out for a 2nd 0 yeah sorry you are right evaluation criteria is next to me yeah okay come on my computer sorry my computer is giving me technical difficulties just press out should i press it again last time i did that it just okay you are right and then again i think one more time 0 still out there yeah yeah yeah yeah okay now i think for this one i could would you guys prefer to use the whiteboard or maybe i will just do it on right on the screen where you can see it we are going to be doing an evaluation report together based on the prototype that we have just seen and looking looking back at my notes from our both our conceptual and our functional media i made a list of what our original requirements and goals were back to our kickoff meeting this morning and we will evaluate as to whether we have done what we set out to do and we are going to do it on a one to 7 scale where one is true and 7 is false so basically the lower the points the better okay so question number one does the remote whoops sorry 0 i am not going to be i will do it on the whiteboard i can not change it so i am going to ask you to push it down once okay i will write down our scores up on the okay so number one do we have a fancy look and feel feel i think it has been quite successful with the rubber coating the look is a little bit more playful yeah yeah yeah i guess it depends on your definition of fancy but it is definitely different it is not a traditional yeah yeah i think the color has a lot to do with it i mean the colors we were given for making the prototype are not the colors that i think we would have necessarily chosen it is not the kind of we are only given red and black red and yellow and orange yeah so and we do not want to go for black because most women are people who are black or gray we wanted to stand like that way in here but if you can imagine that in like as just maybe a kind of pale metallic y finish or something well i know it is for rubber i mean you can visualize this in nice colors i think it would look quite a healthy yeah i kind of like the potato look it is very good 0 well please i was my fruit and veg i was sorry the mango the mango we were we were so it is fine yeah fruit or vegetable depends on your mood yeah totally so i myself would say a one or a 2 i would say 2 personally i would say 2 okay one being true so i had 2 2 okay actually that is this may get confusing okay so question number 2 was is it technologically innovative so i know we have the connection energy which is very innovative yeah yeah and the use of the rubber use of the rubber the use of the rsi led the led use is not particularly innovative and we do not have any scroll buttons it is all push buttons there is no lcd control so if we are thinking about the rest of the market yeah it is sort of probably halfway in some aspects it is yeah and i think i mean it is tough to say because we we did not want it to be any more innovative than this because then we want it defeated the purpose so i mean i will put 3 but i think we actually reached our goal yeah we did not want it any more than that okay question number 3 will be easy to use i think so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i think it yeah yeah can not really get confused with that i mean there will be we had to work out the number the plus the plus system but once that is figured out yeah it should be fine turning on number 4 is this a good looking remote remember that 75% of users find most remote controls ugly again i think the color comes into this yeah color will definitely be a factor i think that the logo could be smaller yeah and maybe not such a prominent way but like at the bottom kind of remember the management said that it had to be prominent or just had to be on there i guess just not touch it this time is the 3 i killed i was just wondering if it should be like flatter i suppose i have got quite big i like the appeal of it being like a big glob yeah but you know what i have just thought of then where is it going to step in your loving room you are not going to fall off to the arm maybe if the bottom is just sort of flat yeah the bottom could be like chopped a bit but the animal is that is comfortable that is true it would still be comfortable things like that it could be on the bottom so you would not like if it is flat here so it sits up yeah like that 0 that was all over all the time yeah if it is weighted maybe details so is this a good looking remote would we want to show it off to our friends you would though because it is more interesting yeah i think it was another color and it was like i think it would look okay maybe 2 i mean i would definitely go for that rather than like your average remote like that but definitely in another color i am not happy with that with a color okay so should we say 2 for that sure yeah okay question number 5 was will people be willing to spend €25 on this product remember that 80% of users were willing to spend more money when remote control looked fancy i think we have have to market it in the right way but yeah to say that it is simplistic so people do not just say it and think this is so simplistic i do understand 25 yeah the marketing of lots doing it and the kinetic energy yeah yeah styley 0 no shake it in the buttes fall but you know those will be firmly on no i guess i do not know much about the remote control how much your average sells for but you are a marketing expert i know i am right i think they are quite 10 not right but you do not have to buy batteries so in the long term this can actually say even by market it exactly yeah so yeah i think with a good marketing scheme and the personalization options it will yeah i would give it a 2 yeah yeah okay number 6 can someone read it out does this prototype much the operating behavior the average user yeah yeah so that was mainly that yeah i think it is a because yeah because the most accessible buttons are the volume and the and the channel changing and it is just you will not have to think about it you do not have to look down to find them that clearly they are easy to use yeah yeah i guess the i think the keyword there is average because there were some people they use the video input and sound and stuff yeah but they are not you and i really so okay so one yeah okay number 7 heather can you push it down well this remote control be easy to find when lost remember that 50% of users lose their remote regularly we have the alarm system is the alarm system still was it implemented yeah when you press the alarm system the light yeah lights on the end or flash the ball but i mean it is not obviously obvious from the outside that is going to happen because you can not particularly see an alarm i thought the light on the inside is going to light up light it will but when the alarm is not yeah if you must the button makes the noise right yeah it turns into a duck and starts quacking yeah yeah awesome if it was had an alarm system i mean when it lights stuff i mean it could light up when the alarm went but if it was hidden underneath a cushion or something it would not be any point so you can not see the alarm but it would like that i thought okay it was going to make a noise yeah alarm we can not see an alarm inside it is the alarm system itself okay you just explain why it is not on the prototype but yeah it will be there so we can say that 0 okay we could give it a one because compared to every other remote ever made this one will be easier to find yeah okay sorry heather no problem question number 8 will it be easy to learn how to use this remote when brand new remember that 34% of users usually found it difficult totally it has to be yeah see they will pick it up and they will know it to do the plus thing makes we worked on once that is written down on the page that would be really something yeah i think just because it is we have decided to reduce it down to the basic buttons i think that in itself makes it so much easier does it make more sense for the middle one to be just an enter button so then you would have to push 2 buttons every time at least yeah so it is just like gentle 66 and 3 that kind of annoys me though and it is 0 sex when you have to press you can have to press 0 you can just press 6 enter 0 okay or like 12 yeah i think that is probably more straightforward yeah good yeah okay so we can we will say yes it is one yeah okay question number 9 we will minimize the effects of rsi which was repeated strain injury which affected over a quarter of users i think so so it is like right in the but if your thumb might get a little yeah i do not think it will we may have to do some more research and the other strain injuries that we do not know about it is soft it is soft and that is kind of what the and people powerpoint slide thing said would be good for yeah i do not know what other options we get yeah that is true because i mean you can hold in your left hand and use your index figure but there is not really any other options unless it is like a keyboard i think we did as much as you can with remote control yeah so one or 2 do you think i think yeah i think 2 okay okay number 10 did we somehow incorporate the company color and logo yes we did no is the color going to be there even if it is like vanilla is the yellow we can not really do that because for example on the banana thing we can not have always been yellow it will sound like it is not always going to be the same color it sounds like the color is something that we yeah the colors are yellow and gray gray yeah so it could be gray on the banana one yeah it could be gray yeah i mean the yellow is ugly though depending on that yeah that is right so i think we will have to talk to our executive managers and see if we can get away with just the rr yeah i think this is the the fact is that we have been leased okay perhaps the middle okay perhaps it is gray and it would not be that expensive to have a little bit of better right yeah that is the middle yeah okay so do you think that is more of a 3 then 4 4 well i think 4 well i do not but we have good reasons for it so we can still put a 4 okay okay and final question do we stay true to our motto and put the fashion into electronics current trends of fruits and veggies desire for sponginess i would say so following that brief in nature but maybe more like 2 because there is no like pictures of fruit it is just sort of naming it by a fruit yeah yeah like the colors you names yeah now are the plates interchangeable i think i missed yeah they are so you can have banana and kiwi yeah okay okay so that is something that is kind of in the making too like maybe it will become more that is fashionable in itself to have interchangeable plates i think yeah i think one well that was a brief thing as far as the place i think if somebody saw that and you said what was that inspired from i do not know if you would instantly say mango maybe if it was scented 0 yeah there we go that was great yeah we have money for that all right so based on this evaluation do we average them out sort of thing yes we do so what was i going to put for that 2 for fashion i would say 2 yeah 2 okay okay so our average there are 5 6 8 10 11 12 13 15 19 21 divided by 11 one9 i do not know these things it is between one and 2 between one and 2 okay so that is pretty fantastic yeah yeah that is very good because the highest you could have got is one all right that seems right then yeah yeah it is cool it has been going okay it seems like it should be more around 2 yeah yeah i am trying to we have an online calculation i am attempting to do that okay yeah it is one9 0 wow well good call that cause all right now with that over and done with done with our next step is to see if we are under budget and my computer is frozen and now it is not okay so in our shared folder if everyone could go there right now sorry i am going to 0 you are going to steal a cable okay if that is a project though it is it is it is an excel file 0 production cost yeah there we go production cost and i have to access that as well one moment okay so far i have added what i think what is going on great it is blinking at me it is locked for editing i am going to open up the 2nd one then it is locked for editing i have the original in my that email account or is it locked because i am in it i do not know i think it just means that we can not add any more to it now have you completed it no no i was hoping that you guys could okay there we go okay here we go so we need to tally up how much our product will be costing so you can look up at the screen the large screen i guess looking at your own too and telling me which one you think okay we are using kinetic which is quite a large expense of €3 yeah we are using a regular chip yeah it is double curved so it is curved all around it is another 3 we are already at 5 we are using plastic and rubber yeah so good thing plastic is free 8 what is a special color yeah i guess we should do it just for one kind yeah so it is like special color where we will have 2 colors right one color for the case one color for the buttons so we can we have push button interface so that is inexpensive and you have a special color for the button and we also have a special form and special material which puts us just barely under budget hooray congratulations good work guys so our operating cost is €1220 awesome and back to our powerpoint so we have okay yes we are so we need to do a project evaluation again which is probably i do not know a different extension of the actual project rather than the product yeah a project is it yeah because we are talking about leadership team work so how we actually went around about doing it yeah all right so did you guys feel like there was room for creativity i think we were pushed pushed for creativity i mean we were not really given a lot of time all of the materials yeah to go about our design task so i think we could have done it a bit more time okay so it would be like need more time and materials yeah but you were allowed creativity yeah i think so was like but you were supposed to yeah and the conceptual and functional like we were very creative in coming up with an idea i guess yeah well we were just limited by resources we could down okay if we had decided to use the lte screen and like solar power backup and everything and we would not have been able to afford that so that did limit creativity right just easy but yeah so you know that is what i did great yeah leadership is this me being like guys do you like me good leadership i think we stayed on task yeah we did as soon as we have come out with what we intended a product within the budget i think that is the sign of the leadership and also our personal coach helped along the way so you know and the timing was good we never were pushed for time or sat around doing nothing yeah yeah there is a little coke i think i work as a team yeah yeah i think we are well suited to our roles yeah yeah all right how are our means we needed more play doh colors yeah and more play doh because that was all of the red we had so if we wanted to make a bigger process 0 really we would not have been able to okay whatever was satisfactory is that yeah the computer programs are good yeah it could be really straightforward for a computer yeah i think the only thing was having to remember to you know tick the okay so i think i was the only one who struggled with that i am actually not sure if i am safe by presentation yeah they will probably still be there new ideas found i do not really know what that means i think we have all learned stuff from each other yeah yeah just about each different fact so we have got new ideas from each i am not sure new ideas found yeah well i guess we really we bounced off of each other which was cool yeah like based on marketing stuff and they need to say something about interface and yeah and we were able to modify each other is ideas yeah yeah 0 does it have smart materials by the way sorry does it have smart materials 0 yeah well did it come in the i do not know if we counted that no cost okay okay okay so with that achieved our last slide is our closing slide yes our costs are within budget it is evaluated generally positively and do not forget to complete final questionnaire and meeting summary then we celebrate fantastic in such a way that i have no idea okay brilliant all right thank you very much okay bye" ]

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[ "okay well let us start what are we doing oops ah pinball okay okay not doing ah 0 hey ah now i have my screen back too very good okay yeah we have presentations so 1st it is your turn mine 0 great yeah huh is not it amazing yeah very interesting industrial designer interface concept yes well let us talk about the interface concept 1st i will i will discuss the buttons we just chose show you some samples discuss some colors and design maybe already and my personal preferences well we chose the power button to switch the television on and off the bu the mute button to switch the volume on and 0 on and off the channels buttons one to 9 and off 0 to 9 and the button to choose higher channels than 9 the volume and channel quadrants left and right up and down arrows to do the volume and channel and the menu menu button to man manipulate the l c d display i found some interesting samples examples well what is pretty standard is that it is that they are all pretty high large yeah a lot a lot of buttons buttons yeah large and and and pretty thin and and long power buttons are mostly at the top left or right well we see the the the same arrows like there and yeah well arrow b buttons can be blue and what is interesting is the the the icons on the buttons some buttons have icons like the play and stop but we do not use that but these we we have to choose the right icons or or letters this is the v for volume but they are both a v so it is it is not really very clear what is the function of that yeah yeah so that is can you go back one page for the menu what do we use for that well we do not have buttons for the menu or we may have to use channel of the volume and channel yeah i thought that was our idea okay so how but you have to put it on the like this yeah or or this and that the menu button is okay yeah but has to be clear that you can use the arrows yeah okay yes so the the icons on the arrows as well you mean yes the 2nd one yeah well that is something to think about okay maybe i will have something in my presentation and you will see it okay okay well i do not i do not know if we have to discuss this already or in the next meeting but as we have to to to design the the case and the whole remote control in our our our corporate company colors and the logo i would recommend a yellow case round edges the logo at the bottom and well maybe each each set of buttons has has his own color so it is good recognizable k so i think not too much colors no not too much but no no no no it is not flower power but this has to be has to be trendy and and s okay yeah so good good icons on the buttons and and big buttons is my personal opinion okay that was that thank you so you are next i am next okay yes no here we go at 1st we will i will f say something about what younger people want okay our group w w we want to sell our remote controls to and then i will discuss what my opinion is about the costs about what battery is in it what kind of buttons also 1st the younger people they want like soft mat materials and primary colors like totally yellow totally red so it is visible the shapes are curved and round like you also said maybe it is nice to get a remote control not like all the other ones straight and flat and long but to give him the shape of your hand so you it is easier to use or something like that but that is just an idea and then i will have to discuss about the costs of all the things for the remote control the battery there are few options i think the best option is to use the basic battery so everybody can buy it at the at the supermarket or use a k kinetic battery like within a watch when you shake it a few times it it is loaded the the form of the remote control i think it is also nice have it curved and maybe like it is hand shaped so you take it here in your hand and here are the buttons material you use plastic hard plastic because it will not have to burst like in the in one time and also rubber because the younger people like that what we see in the research the push buttons we have one new thing discovered it is a scroll push thing like a mouse maybe it is easy to use for the channels when you want to go m move up you just scroll up and click on the button if you want to see the next if you want to see that channel and also for the mouse for the volume it is also easy to use just scroll a bit up scroll a bit down and that is also easy just w when you have a thing like this and you get it here you can do it with your thumb and with your l left hand you can push the buttons if you push channel one you can see channel one the electrics with a scroll push button we must use regular chips there are also simple chips they are cheaper but then we have just a basic remote control and i think there are a lot of those things and people will not buy it any more they have seen enough of it and you have also advanced chips but that is with the l c d screen and the costs will increase a lot more and i think our budget is too low to use and an l c d and the chip who is more expensive and maybe it is also then thoughtful if we u use as different kind of shapes for the for remote control that we then use the primary colors like you get a yellow remote control red one blue one et cetera you have any more questions about this i think the main thing is we look at the costs yep and not too basic not a basic remote control who everybody already has yeah but thi i this is with an l c d no not not with an l c d no is not no but the l c d is easy when you use the scroll buttons then you can scroll you see what number and then you push yeah but then what i say the costs will get a lot higher but then it is not easy to use scroll wheel th then you will see it on the television if you do not yes but then yeah then you go one down one up yeah but l when you see a menu on the television when you scroll it is like you see one to 20 you go s scroll up and push number tw 20 yeah but like we said before it has to be used on every television so you may not be no the television must do that so yeah i think the younger people will have newer televisions which can provide our remote control yeah but young people have to have all their room and mostly they are smaller yes so but that will not be a problem i think most the times that are not advanced televisions no but then we will get to the regular remote controls and i think what i said everybody has them has them already and they go to a supermarket and buy them for €2 and ge and get the most cheapest thing and i think we must look further to to devel d develop something news okay can you give an indication in b in the cost difference between the chip with l c d or without i got it on my screen and it was higher but i do not know how much higher cause it i think if we have an l c d it will also sell a lot better that is important that is true and that might bring back the costs but then we will i think we must discuss who what will be better if we have a better shape of the remote control or better options on it with a scroll menu a w scroll thing and a l c d and then a flat remote control or a more hand shaped remote control with scroll without l c d yeah maybe you can look how how much it is for the l c d i can look on my it is very important note that the push button requires a simple chip chip a scroll wheel requires minimally a regular chip which is a higher price range the display requires a advanced chip which is which in turn is more expensive than the regular chip yeah more expensive but how much does not say 0 huh okay that is from my manufacturing division okay kay well thank you my turn yes next so so yeah so my presentation is about trend watching i did some trend watching it is very important to keep up with latest trends cause if you do not you will not sell so well how we did do that well we made an investigation of the market by trendwatchers they watch in cities like paris and milan of course well known for their trend trends and well what did you find we have 2 groups young and trendy and the old and rich well th and the young and trendy they they starting to like fruit and vegetables as a theme for n clothes shoes and also products and material that should feel have a spongy feeling and to get a feeling for what it is here is an image of it then the old and rich they like dark colors and simple recognizable shapes and they also like familiar material especially wood now another picture to get a feeling for this well then already come to my personal preferences we aim at the younger market so we should also be look at their trends however with trends it is always if there is it is now it it it might last one year and next year it be can be totally different and i think we want to sell our product for longer than one year so we m must not just only look at what the trend is now as it might be totally different next year so that is one thing to keep in mind changing covers yeah any questions nope no no it is clear so now it is ah let us see now w we have to decide well we have to decide on the concept so we have to look at is next components and user interface concept so now we have to make some concept maybe one of you can paint it on the board 1st user interface how w how we how we make it yes a concept on just should not we 1st discuss about like what w we all yeah yeah but maybe we can paint it what do we want yeah but if i paint with i will paint okay well something like this or yes shapes or what do we need can make several concepts what yes okay we have this and we had the idea of an a more like sh in the shape of your hand okay more like something yeah i i i yes m like yeah i can not doctor i can not draw it i have to and you have to yeah i am not a designer it is more 3 d like when you have a part here this is the remote control and then you have something like th this under it so it is easier to get it like this yeah yeah it is like a gun a g so it has to be soft and it has to be soft yeah okay so you can squeeze in it and sorry and the buttons buttons buttons on top of it and here the scrolling you can do it with your thumb no it will not but but i that is the only scroll button on it then but now we use one scroll button and the other one is here one till 0 till 9 yeah okay but well there one for the sound and one for the channels but but how yeah and the b yeah yeah how or 2 buttons okay and i if we go to 2 scroll wheels if kay c if we do if we use one then we will have just a switch on it and you will just switch it and now it is the sound to switch back that is th that is more difficult but if we have a me yeah it is better in if we have a menu how do we choose other options with the menu button and then you also can scroll scroll in it just not like all the other ones with this thing and here an arrow here an arrow here an arrow here an arrow yeah because from h 100 remote controls 99 have it but if we do not have a l c d we do not have a menu yeah then we have it on the t v the menu yeah but again maybe th how do we know the t v can handle it you do not know so there is no menu i do not know it is like some sort of teletext option but we do not have teletext no so you can not use it and if we put an l c d thing on it then the costs will be much higher okay we make 2 concepts one with l c d one without l c d kay but you all like this kind of thing good concept but with the scroll button that is one and and this one has to be soft and this has to be harder because when it falls it mu mu must not burst or some kind of rubber around it it is one 2 number 2 and you can and you can make the the power button as a trigger yeah like yeah ah that is nice here trigger no just to but when you handle it you put it on and off it is not good to use yeah but i will zap 0 like a yeah fuck out no it is not good yeah now 2nd concept one with l c d one without l c d then paint it paint it with the scroll thing on like this one with 2 scroll buttons and one with without yeah one with a with a menu and one without a menu so and the one with with a menu has an l c d draw it unbelievable do i have to do everything blank you have not so difficult yeah but if you put push the the menu button that is the menu yeah wh what there for the l c d screen yes but you do not know which of the scroll buttons you have to choose you have to for the menu yeah one that way and one that way so then it depends on the cost s on and off but is it easy to use when you have it on your left side and when it is not too big just like a a phone m yeah maybe it is better if the scroll wheels are more separate yeah separate more separate h yeah yes okay like you have the menu button in between yeah on the left a scroll button and on the right a scroll button but would it be easy to use then if it is like you have a big very good is it better when you the menu you have to go there there there there i also think this concept is not what the young people were looking for yeah they were like round curves different yeah okay that is that is the outside okay okay okay but now the 1st the buttons think we have we have now 2 buttons missing the the mute button sorry we have 2 buttons missing the mute button and the to to have to numbers mute and the other okay yeah not so difficult but personally i think 2 scroll buttons are not easy to handle but how do you want to solve it with the switch button yeah but on the menu that is not easy no like then you go down you switch you go into the right you switch you go down 0 you mean like that yeah then you can also have like th a joystick yeah and joystick i think yeah but is it does that break a joystick or a small one just like in a laptop yeah like in a laptop s s some sort of thing a little bit bigger with easier thi mean it is better but how expensive it is i do not know 0 why do i pay you for well better ideas okay or no scroll things just a shape and no no for the young peoples i think scroll button is good it will not work yeah huh so think we have to keep them or a remote control more like joystick yeah but is it that is not expensive than joystick is better a small one a small one like this like a nintendo k no just like in a playstation thing a laptop small round then it is not so big no no no i mean the the shape of the remote control 0 the sh yeah but then you can you have to use t with one hand just like a playstation thing yeah so maybe if it is possible it is not too expensive i think a joystick is better a small one so please look at it no that is okay i got and on the l c d how much it costs it costs extra they are not in details it is more expensive or less expensive huh yeah we i think you get it so after this meeting you have half an hour to fix it then i have to come with it yes i got my personal costs i i do not i do not know the costs your problem not mine then i will make something up okay so do we have other concepts then for the components we use a normal battery yeah then it is ch cheapest way i think yeah or the or the kinetic with normal battery no no kinetic yeah i think it is yeah more expensive kinetic is ch makes it more expensive yeah so we use a normal battery yeah yeah okay yes chip depends on the l c d depends on the scroll scroll if we use a scroll then we have the regular chip if we do not use a scroll then we can use the simple chip and that is yeah and we if you use the l c d we have to the most expensive yes okay yeah so depends on the l c d and the scroll if we yeah okay if we no okay scroll wheel so i have this so it will be the advanced chip or the regu or the regular chip okay so the shapes of the design depends on the l c d and but it has to be small i think or shall we just put it on the pistol thing and then just put also on l c d on it if you have pistol it l c d is not easy y y yeah but just use your thumb if you use a phone if you yeah k yeah but but then you have it i use my thumb like th if you have pistol you have it so yeah and the screen is well then you have to keep it this way to look at the screen if you have a joystick on no if you have like an a ni a playstation game controller yeah and you move up f forward down left then you have just yeah a little bit curved it is not just straight no no no that is how we use it that is why they make joysticks like that i think yeah but then you look forward yeah but and then you can y yeah yeah n well if you have to look at it if you kay here is our designer if we have then something standing here with the l c d yeah then it goes like this yeah why not if th n well it is for the younger people yes of course it is something new it is that is good good but the it may not break now we put rubber around it okay if that is possible yeah hard plastic the shape and around it hard around it rubber and the the hand shape is also rubber okay i can not see the or you can turn it inside but the easy of th the ease of use was not the most important aspect of it but that is huh no that is true for us it is about to sell it yeah of course this is something new okay then this is the design and the buttons are on the next page so depends on the cost so we have one minute costs are okay one i think no no you have more more 7 you have still 10 next meeting 30 minutes so hurry up 0 that is us together you 2 stay here paint it okay now you have to so i think it is clear check your mail so yeah yes it has to be ready in the next meeting so what cookie okay next meeting is called the detailed design so everyth everything has to be ready okay thanks for your attention kay see you at the next meeting bye bye" ]

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[ "sorry i am sorry i am not quite i am not quite i am not in the i am still still under i am still under the still still under the indruck what is the end of the end of it the presentation was all clear that is a problem okay well let us start what are we doing hop 0 pinball okay we are not doing ah hey now i have my screen back too very good okay we have presentations so 1st it is your turn mine yeah great is not it amazing very interesting industrial designer interface concept yes well let us talk about the interface concept 1st i will discuss the buttons we just chose show you some samples discuss some colors and design maybe already and my personal preferences well we chose the power button to switch the television on and off the mute button to switch the volume on and off the channel buttons one to 9 and of 0 to 9 and the button to choose higher channels than i the volume and channel quadrant left and right up and down arrows to the volume and channel and the menu button to manipulate the lcd display i found some interesting samples examples well what is pretty standard is that it is that they are all pretty high large yeah large and pretty thin and long power buttons are mostly at the top left or right we see the same arrows like there and yeah well error buttons can be blue and what is interesting is the icons on the buttons some buttons have icons like the play and stop but we do not use that but these we have to choose the right icons or letters this is the v for volume but they are both a v so it is not very very clear what is the function of that yeah yeah so that is can you go back one page for the menu what do we use for that we do not have buttons for the menu or you have to use the channel of the volume and channel quadrant but yeah i thought that was our idea okay so you have to put it on the like this yeah or this that the menu button is okay yeah but it is to be clear that you can use the arrows yeah okay so the icons on the arrows as well yeah it is a 2nd yeah well that is something to think about okay maybe i will have something in my presentation okay you will see it well i do not know if we have to discuss this already or in the next meeting but as we have to design the case and the whole remote control in our corporate company colors and the logo i would recommend the yellow case round edges the logo at the bottom at the bottom and well maybe each set of buttons has its own color so it is good recognizable i think not too much colors i know not too much but the flower power no but this has to be trendy and okay yeah so good good icons on the buttons and big buttons is my personal opinion okay that was that thank you so you are next i am next okay yes here we go 1st we will say something about what younger people want our group we want to sell our remote control soon then i will discuss what my opinion is about the costs about what battery is in it what kind of buttons also 1st the younger people they want to younger people they want soft materials and primary colors like totally yellow totally red so it is visible the shapes are curved and round like you also said maybe it is nice to get remote control not like all the other ones straight and flat and long but to give him a shape of your hands so it is easier to use or something like that but that is just an idea and then i will have to discuss about the costs of all the things for the remote control the battery there are a few options i think the best option is to use the basic battery so everybody can buy it at the supermarket or use a kinetic battery like within a watch when you shake it a few times it is like it is like a little bit times it is loaded the form of the remote control i think it is also nice to have it curved and maybe like it is hand shaped so you take it here in your hand and here are the buttons material use plastic hard plastic because it will not have to burst in one time and also rubber because the younger people like that what we see in the research the push buttons we have one new thing discovered it is a scroll push thing like the mouse maybe it is easy to use for the channels when you want to go move up you just scroll up and click on the button if you want to see the next if you want to see that channel and also for the mouse for the volume it is also easy to use just scroll a bit up scroll a bit down and that is also easy just when you have a thing like this and you get it here can do it with your thumb and with your left hand you can push the buttons so if you push channel one can see channel one the electrics with a scroll push button we must use regular chips there are also simple chips they are cheaper but then we have just a basic remote control and i think there are a lot of those things and people will not buy it anymore they have seen enough of it and you have also advanced chips but that is with the lcd screen and the costs will increase a lot more and i think our budget is too low to use and an lcd and the chip who is more expensive and maybe it is also then thoughtful if we use different kind of shapes for the remote control that we then use the primary colors like you get a yellow remote control red one blue one etc you have any questions about this i think the main thing is we look at the cost at the costs and not too basic not a basic remote control who everybody already has this is with and lcd now not an lcd no no this is easy when you use the scroll buttons you can scroll you see what number yeah then you push but then what i say the costs will get a lot higher but then it is not easy to use scroll a wheel then you will see it on the television yes but then you go one down one up yeah but when you see a manjune on the television it is like you see one to 20 you go a scroll up and push numbers of 20 it has to be used on every television so you may not be television must do that i think the younger people will have new televisions which can provide our remote control younger people have them on their room and mostly they are smaller yes so but then will be a problem i think most of the times that are not advanced televisions but then we get to the room get to the regular remote controls and i think what i said everybody has them already and they go to a supermarket and buy them for €2 and get the most cheapest thing and i think we must look further to develop something new can you give an indication in the cost difference between the ship with lcd or without or without i got it on my screen and it was higher but i do not know how much higher i think if we have an lcd it will also sell a lot better that is true and that might bring back the cost but then i think we must discuss what will be better if we have a better shape of the remote control or better options on it with a scroll menu a scroll thing and an lcd and then a flat remote control or a more hand shaped remote control with scroll without lcd maybe you can look how how much it is for the lcd it is very important now the push button requires a simple chip a scroll wheel requires a regular chip which is a higher price range the display requires an advanced chip which in turn is more expensive than a regular chip more expensive but how much does not say that okay that is from my manufacturing division okay well thank you my turn yes next so my presentation is about trend watching i did some trend watching it is very important to keep up with latest trends because if you do not you will not sell so how would you do that well we made an investigation of the market by trend watchers they watched it in cities like paris and milan milan of course well known for their twins and well what did they find we have 2 groups young and twendy and the old and rich well the young and 20 they are starting to like food and vegetables as a team for clothes shoes and also products and material the should feel have a spongy feeling and to get a feeling for what it is there is an image of it then the old and which they like dark colors and simple recognizable shapes and they also like familiar material especially wood now another picture you get a feeling for this well then i already come to my personal preferences we aim at the younger market so we should also be a little bit of a market we should also be a look at their trends however with trends it is now it might last one year and next year can be totally different and i think we want to sell our product for longer than one year so we must not just only look at what the trend is now as it might be totally different next year so that is one thing to keep in mind changing covers any questions no no it is clear so now it is now it we have to decide we have to decide well we have to decide so we have to look at next components we use the interface concept so now we have to make some concepts maybe one of you can paint it on the board 1st the user interface how we how we make it yes a concept on should we 1st discuss about like what yeah but maybe we can paint it what do we want yeah but if i paint would i paint okay well something like this or shapes or what do we need can make several concepts yes okay we have this and we had the idea of a more like in the shape of your hand more like something yeah like yeah i can not draw it i have to i have to i am not a designer it is more than 3 d like when you have a part here this is the remote control and then you will have something like this under it so it is easier to get it like this it is like a gun so it has to be soft and it has to be soft yeah okay so you can squeeze in a buttons buttons on top of it and here the scrolling you can do it with your thumb that is the only scroll button on it then now we use one scroll button and the other one is here one till one till 0 till 9 okay but one for the sound and one for the channels yeah yeah or 2 buttons okay and if we go to if we do if we use one then we will have just switch on it you will just switch it and now it is the sound switch back it is more difficult if you have a if you have a menu how do we use other options with the menu and then you also can scroll in it just not like all the other ones with this thing and here an arrow here an arrow here an arrow here an arrow here an arrow because from a 100 remote controls 99 have it but if we do not have an lcd we do not have a menu then we have it on the tv the menu but again maybe how do we know the tv can handle it you do not know do not know so there is no menu it is like some sort of teletext option but we do not have teletext so you can not use it and if we put an lcd thing on it then the cost will be much higher okay we make 2 concepts one with lcd one without lcd okay but you all like this kind of thing good concept but with the scroll button and this has to be soft and this has to be harder because when it falls it must not burst or some kind of rubber around it one 2 number 2 and you can make the power button as a trigger yeah that is nice you are triggered no it is one you have noise you put it on and off not good to use i will step fuck out no it is not good no 2nd concept one with lcd one without lcd then paint it with a scroll thing on this one with 2 scroll buttons and one with without yeah one with a menu and one without a menu one with with a menu has an lcd throw it unbelievable do i have to do everything plank do you have i am not so difficult what if you push the menu button what is the menu yeah they have the lcd screen yes but you do not know which of the scroll buttons you have to choose you have to for the menu yeah one that way and one that way and one that way so then it depends on the coast on and off but is it easy to use when you have on your left side and when it is not too big just like a phone maybe it is better if the scroll wheels are separate more separate like you have the menu button in between yeah on the left a scroll button and on the right a scroll button but would it be easy to use then if it is like you have a big very good is it better is it better when you are in the menu you have to go there there there there i also think this concept is not what the young people were looking for they were like round curves different yeah okay that is the outside but now the 1st the buttons we have now 2 buttons we have now 2 buttons missing the mute button sorry you have 2 bits missing the mute button and 2 to have 2 numbers mute and the other not so difficult personally i think 2 scroll buttons are not easy to handle but how do you want to solve it with the switch button yeah but in the menu that is not easy you go down you switch you go into the right you switch you go down 0 you mean like that 0 then you can also have like a joystick a joystick thing yeah but is it a break joystick or a small one just like in a laptop like in a laptop some sort of thing a little bit bigger but how spain is i do not know why do i pay you for well better ideas or no scroll i think it is just a shape and think scroll button is good so i think we have to keep them or a remote control more like a joystick yeah that is not expensive than that joystick is better a small one a small one like this like a nintendo work no just like a playstation thing a laptop small round then it is not so big no no i mean the the shape of the the remote control it is like a place then you can you have to use with one hand so maybe if it is possible it is not too expensive i think a joystick is better a small one so please look at it let us look at it and then then the lcd homersk thomas cross actually they are not in details it is more expensive or less expensive i think you get it so after this meeting you have half an hour to fix it then i have to come with it i got my personal cost i do not know the cost your problem not mine and i will make something up okay so do we have other concepts then for the component we use a normal battery then yeah it is the cheapest way or the kinetic normal battery i think it is more expensive so we use a normal battery yeah okay chip depends on the lcd it depends on the scroll if we use a scroll then we have the regular chip if we do not use a scroll then we can use the simple chip chip and if you use the lcd we have the the most expensive yeah okay it depends on the if you scroll we now okay scroll we also have this so it will be the advanced chip or the regular chip okay so the shapes of the design depends on lcd and but that is to be small i think or shall we just put it on the pistol thing and then just put also on lcd on it if you have a pistol and lcd is not easy you use your thumb yeah but if you use your phone yeah i use my thumb yeah but then you have it like if you have a pistol you have it so and the screen is if you have a joystick on you have to keep it this way to look at the screen if you have like a a playstation game controller yeah and you move up forward down left then you have just yeah a little bit curved it is not just a no no no that is how we use it that is why they make joysticks like that i think yeah but then you look forward forward and then you can you know if you have to look at it okay we are not designer we have then something standing here with the lcd yeah then he goes like this no why not if no it is for the younger people yes of course it is something new that is good good but it may not break then we put rubber around it okay if this is possible hard plastic the shape and around it hard around it is rubber and the hand shape is also rubber okay or you can turn it inside but at the eg off and the easy of use was not the most important aspect of it no that is true for which it is about to sell it this is something new okay then this is the design and the buttons are on the next page so it depends on the coast so coast are okay we have one minute i think no more more 7 still 10 next meeting 30 minutes so hurry up there is us together you 2 stay here pain did okay now you have to i think it is clear check your mail so it yes it has to be ready the next meeting so cookie okay next meeting is called the detailed design so everything has to be ready okay thanks for your attention okay 35 minutes see you at the next meeting bye bye 5 minutes to finish shit couple now look now there is 2 batteries in the black hole 2 nice where is your 2nd both in front i think yeah yeah okay i will leave okay so good luck i am sitting see you all the little key note dorn come now now we can we want to nederlands safe no in this room speak english that is an order we speak some sort of dialect it is called dutch it has to be ready in 30 minutes see for play 0 no new page please" ]

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[ "alright alright thank you for coming to this 3rd meeting of the design group i think we made some definite progress at the last one and come up with some interesting w suggestions for our our new remote control i will again very quickly just present some notes of that meeting the the the problem with existing remote controls we felt was that they are ugly and that people are prepared to pay a premium for something better they have got lots of buttons on them that people do not use and find difficult to learn and people lose them and we we thought that f for our our new remote control that everybody will want to rush out and buy that we are we should look at speech recognition rather than r rather than buttons and that if we have any buttons they should be very few of them and only for those functions that are actually identified that that people use that we want to go for a long lasting battery that we gua we guarantee for the life of the the product and a shape that will be instantly recognizable a as a trendy remote control and and b as a real reaction product so that w when people are happy with that they will they will want to buy everything else from us okay so again i will we will have the 33 presentations from the the the 3 of you and then we will we will make a a final a final decision and the the decisions that we need to to make today finally are what energy source we want to use whether i it is practical to use a a a long lasting one and i i think our discussion was around the fact that if we are going to go for a long lasting power supply then basically it is sealed for life and if anybody does manage to run one down we will we will give them another one and it it will be you know prominently displayed as part of the th the advertising literature that it is you know for life guaranteed for life now the the the internal chip and this is where i need kate is expert advice and given that th this has to to go to market as quickly as possible d d do we go for a custom designed chip or or do we buy one off the shelf and and program it ourselves i mean i am i am i am n not an expert on these things but presumably there must be loads of em already on the market that we can modify but that that is that is your area of expertise and then the you know the the overall design of the case is is is kendra is field and we we had some discussions last time as as to how we might go forward and we will we will finalize those da today and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface whether we p go for voice buttons or or a bit of both and then you know f for the next meeting kate will be looking at the the the s the look feel and design kendra the ho how the the user actually uses it and and andrew of course the the product evaluation and kate and kendra will be producing a a model for us to to look at so if if we can have the the 3 presentations again please and p perhaps you would like to start k okay kate 0 i am sorry 0 sorry p there we go kay i will just be talking about the components design and okay basically i just looked at what exactly do remotes do basically they wait for you to press a key or give a voice command and then this is translated into light signals which are then seen by the t v the materials we are going to need to look at the 2 big ones are the integrated circuit chip and the battery and the in integrated circuit chip works in conjunction with a a diode transistor or resonator 2 more resistors and a capacitor and the battery works in conjunction with a resistor and a capacitor basically what happens is you will press a number or give a voice command and this creates a a connection within the the remote that allows the chip the chip then senses this connection and produces a signal in a morse code format this signal is sent to the transistor which amplifies it and then sends it on to the light emitting diode and which is then trai changed into a infrared light which is sent to the t v and sort of seen by the t v and which changes the channels 0 cool so as for how we should end up using this in our remote t couple of main questions are the buttons y the fewer buttons you have i guess the fewer internal connections and internal codes you are going to need however to n not have buttons or to use a voice commands instead of buttons might make these connections more difficult and raise the production cost that is something we should think about also we have to work within the company constraints and the company has informed me via email that they are experts at pushbuttons and that seems to be the most cost effective way of producing it also with battery connections the company has some limits on the batteries we can use so i was thinking perhaps a combination of solar cells with a back up basic battery and somehow between the combination of that 2 we might be able to come up with something that will last the the lifetime or the 5 to 10 years and we could still keep that original idea we also need to look at the chips v custom designed versus off the shelf and the custom designed will give us much more flexibility and enable us to incorporate the voice function that we all seem to have agreed upon however that is going to cost more but the off the shelf is going to be cheaper and it is going to be allow us to produce it quicker and get out there faster but it is going to be less flexible with the features especially things like voice activation which have not really been used much on remotes so there is not really chips out there that would be easy to to convert so if we were definitely going to go with the the voice option we would probably have to design our own chip and that pretty much sums it up okay so how sorry can you just put that one back up again please 0 yep sorry yep d d d okay i mean inevitably a b a custom design chip is going to be more expensive do we do we know by how much i do not actually have any price information no and and do we know how long it will take to develop a a custom chip it a lot longer than an off the shelf chip 0 w yeah we did the the problem is the the the voice technology is not really highly developed right okay it is sort of still still in an ex experimental form so it would it is hard to predict the time right i think we need to make a a decision here given that the company wants this on the market quickly and cheaply that would appear to effectively constrain us to an existing chip and thus therefore conventional button technology now before we go round everybody else does anybody i h have any have anyti ha anything to say about that i just have a question about that does it make a difference if there are just a few commands for example if you can pre program in like numbers one through 10 and pre program say you know 9 channels and then just use the voice recognition to say channel one and then you have programmed in say b b c 4 as your channel one as your favorite it is like to have a certain number of favorites and that w w just to to incorporate the voice activation in it is is sorta the trick once you have got the whole voice chip in there then it is pretty much the the world the the sky is your limit okay then it does not matter okay but to actually the the big step is to actually get the voice activation chips in there and working okay cause i must say i find it slightly surprising given that you know mobile phones incorporate voice activated dialing so i mean i d d for slightly different well no i mean it is if you you yeah speak somebody is name and it will dial the number for you so bu i mean the this this information is from is this is the internal company information is it bits of it yeah so of course mobile phones do tend to be more expensive you know £150 or something yes as well as opposed to the €20 €25 yeah true again but if it is without any without any p price informations that is difficult to decide also lots of mobile phones have got a lot of technology in them not just that so yeah yeah that is that is right it is like it is it is you can not cause mobile phones are expensive you can not say it is the voice recognition bit that is yeah but we do not know i mean i su i i mean if given that the the technology is not well developed and and given that it is it is never been done before th th the double risk perhaps we ought to stick to to buttons since the last thing we want to do is present a product that does not work thoughts well another thought i 0 sorry go ahead would 0 i was just going to say mayb maybe it sh like maybe we can like cut corners somewhere else to bring in over cost i mean do w do we think that the voice technology is fundamental to the project it is fundament well i mean i guess it it is something we have discussed since the the sort of the beginning so i th i think in in our in our minds it is it is fundamental but i do not know that the the upper echelons of the company would necessarily agree with that so i think you have to i mean i think we 0 yeah hm okay well i kinda think if we are going to have the voice recognition for part of it then maybe we should have it for the whole thing yeah i i i i i think that is and we have been talking about it the whole time yeah yeah anyway i am i am incli kinda inclined to say that we should just go for it right okay yeah it is the 2nd most important aspect to users that the device should be technologically innovative yeah from my presentation show so yeah it should be technologically innovative right okay so no that sounds good fine okay i it will have voice recognition if if that means if that means we can not afford buttons but i mean b b 2nd question okay cool do we need the 5 buttons for channel change up down volume up down and on off just as a a backup or just so that people can j j just sit there pressing buttons yeah yeah i i would say we do yeah i think so right okay sorry d did you want to say anything nope that was it that was it no okay shall we move rapidly on to kendra okay okay ra rapidly move the cable over let us see 0 good 0 yes is it going to work yeah it is thinking about it yeah it will get there yep okay yeah okay so i did some research on the internet and what you know the interf user interface are just aspects that are seen by users commands and mechanisms for the operation and there are just kind of a variety of choices findings so a lot of times they tend to look cluttered and these were just a couple examples of different kinds that are a little bit more unusual there are some special ones available like this one right here which is marketed towards children yeah huh different designs and one of the things that n we need to watch out for is a v in volume because people some alright bring a little picture of what i thought ours could look like so just kind of minimize the clutter avoid too many buttons and also one of the things that people have used is a slide button like you have on a mouse that possibly we could use that on the sides for volume for example have the slide button on the side and then you can pre program the channels the voice recognition and then the voice response sample locator yeah sorry y y yeah if i can interrupt you well d p kay do you want to say anything about slide controls i mean i think the reason everybody uses pushbuttons is that they are they are si simple cheap and reliable i think they are they are about the same cost really i i mean i think it is just sort of the the there is a lot of slide buttons out there i think it is pretty much the same sort of connection okay fair enough fine yeah just because i n for example if i am using a mouse i like to be able to slide it up and down so i thought it might be good for volume to just be able to kind of roll it and then have the up and down and then the this is my great little drawing yeah good good yeah so 33 there is 3 buttons on a slider 3 buttons channel up channel up down and y yes yes well if you g if you if you got a channel up down we can have a slider in that as well because if it if you no if you notice on the thing it it kind of like has got kind of if you you know it s kind of like sticks if you know what i mean up like one unit if you see what i mean yeah so it kinda goes up one then y like you can keep rolling it up but it is like like like like a cog or something huh so you kinda take it up one at a time okay the only advantage i was thinking of to having the buttons like the buttons on one side for the channel d and then the slider is that if you are just holding in your hand and you pick it up it is easy to n s know okay this is just the volume and this is the channel 0 this one on the one side and one yeah you could you could as l as like a mouse you could ye yeah cause i have definitely picked up remotes and like meant to change the channel and turn the volume okay yeah or vice versa so it would be kinda good to have them be feel completely different yeah yeah you would know what you were fiddling with yeah yeah like the shape of it almost like a mouse with a yeah that was or yeah th th the i mean thi this is what the we have to come up with is the the actual shape that people can ins instantly pick it up and and know know know what it is going to do yeah okay so we we are looking at sliders for both a volume and channel change well i was thinking kind of just for the volume but what what do you guys think of one sort just for the volume dep i dunno if it depending on the final shape of it cause you could have like we could i dunno it looks like you can c control the volume with your thumb and then you could control the buttons with your fingers yeah yeah yeah cause if yeah in that kinda position the fingers would be better for pressing and the that for rolling just the way it would fingers yeah i mean it is it is it yeah i mean it it it seems to me that it it al also has the advantage that it it the 2 are clearly different b yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that there is no no possibility of confusing the 2 0 yeah yeah so okay i am just going to pass this along right so that is sorry is that that all you want to say at the mo okay fine yes yeah right here we go right yeah this is my report on trend watching the data is come off internet from executive summary for us on the top 3 things wanted by the consumer and we got reports from paris milan on new fashions and the most important aspect is the l the look it has to look fancy look and feel instead of the current functional look and feel this is a saint well i was going to say yeah twice as important as the 2nd aspect which is the technologically innov innovative side of it so and the 3rd being easy to use is probably a given we have to try and incorporate so well i i mean i th i think that what we are suggesting ought to address all 3 of those exactly yeah yeah okay i s that out of sequence yeah sorry yeah and from the fashion watchers from milan and paris have said fruit and vegetables are an important theme for clothes and furniture and shoes 0 et cetera sorry clothes shoes and furniture huh and a spongy material to be used on the on the outside i had not thought of that that is different certainly yeah but i was going to say yeah fruit and vegetables important to this year important to furniture i am just going to say what f like it is in if if fashion if we are going for the it looks fancy then fashion is obviously the line we got to be going through yeah but fashions do do not last very long well that can kinda tie into our changing face things like we could have the fruit and vegetable theme this year and whatever happens next year we can have the face plates yeah yeah yeah yeah we can have a sp like a spongy skin on it and then we can just whip that off and yeah yeah yeah like the kind you get on like hand weights you know that kind of spongy yeah yeah that weird i dunno what that is but yeah a kind of yeah also means you can drop it without damaging it 0 yeah yeah it is good as well that is c cool yeah that is true you have we could if we could save depending on the cost of the product itself you know could we have a cheaper b cheaper power source and then just have it annually renewed instead of having a 10 year guarantee with interchangeable covers could just buy a new one every year a new one when new fashions come out yeah i i mean it its i that is an interesting idea it is like the old swatch watch where on only batteries ever got changed in those cause people just bought a new one when it went out of fashion but it is just never been seen as a a fashion item before yeah that is yes if if if they are made in sufficient quantity wh i i think it is easier sometimes to have them buy changeable covers for it than to buy a whole new one because you do not feel like you are investing in a whole new product w i mean we we can b but i mean my feeling is that current power sources are such that for relatively little cost you can make it last yeah you know a long time yeah but if we also make it cheap enough that people either change the cover every year or even buy a new one every year then it it is it is even better what if we included the batteries in the cover 0 yeah so like i like that that all c also kind of encourages em to buy new covers and yeah yeah so can i see that thing s just this as examples yeah yeah i n i know the only p i mean the the the the immediate thing that comes to mind with that is that it it it y you have then got the connection and you have immediately got a sort of unreliability so f whereas the advantage of having it plumbed in is that that the whole thing is all you know yeah completely soldered together and it it it you know total reliability but i mean i d i i yeah i guess that is true i know what you are saying and understand where you are coming from or well but like like more than just the battery like a complete different like you have only got like you know like th this bit is the bit you keep and this is the expensive bit this is like the chip and this is the microphone and then this is the power source and the bit everyone sees and then i th i s i think if we are going to go down that route then we are talking about even if it costs slightly more than that just building the whole thing in one then having getting cheaper production costs and yeah you probably are right you know giving people the option of buying a new a a complete new thing the advantage of a replaceable cover is that even if they do not it does not have a cover on at all it will still work totally yeah that is true then if you know if people lose the cover yeah yeah i mean they they might be well inclined to go out and spend however many euros on a on a new one rather than a a complete new re remote yeah well that that is just it with the covers yeah you are sort of tricking em into continuing to spend their money on our products without making em feel like they are being ripped off having to buy a new product yeah i mean it is it is up to it is up to yeah just another €5 to get so yeah yeah yeah it is it is up to our marketing people to to ma to ma turn it into a a fashion item right yeah and you know as as external fashions change then we get new new covers on the market and you know readily available yeah and and that is the sort of thing once you get the mold set you can just whip out different colors different pictures very very quickly that is that is right yeah yeah yeah like they have for mobile phones that are just fruits and animal prints and colors yeah yeah exactly exactly yeah yeah okay so i so okay right sorry we had not finished your 0 do not worry it is all said i was just going to say yeah are we going to make this as part of like like a part of the f like it it the fashions apply to furniture so are we going to make this part of the furniture it is the sort of thing that we want people to have prominent dis displayed on their coffee table to say this says something about me this is fashionable yeah this is fashionable with yeah i you know i am i am i am with it i am up to date and you know th the the design that i have got and and it could be a a home made design you know this says this is not just a a television remote control this is you know a fashion accessory so i mean the the the basic shape i is is what we i mean given that we have got you know 11 on off button presumably 2 buttons for channel change and one slider and basically nothing else w we need to decide on the just the basic shape of the thing and know whether we go down the fruit and veg route and i do not suggest we make it look like a banana but know sort of the the organic you know curved look you know t to deliberately get away from the you know 0 yeah the the the the square look of most current remotes and you know whether whether the you know the the fixed part of it is the corporate yellow or cause there is certainly you know the the corporate logo needs to be prominently displayed so that people s th looked at it and say right that is a real reaction remote control i want one of those i dunno that we should make the whole thing yellow i kinda thought with a you would have like a yellow circle with the r r in it somewhere on it yeah the the or or b yeah like an but i would yellow seems a bit of a strong color to make the ent like the thing no yeah i would i would yeah yeah but i mean just like white or gray or black or some sort of blah color no i d i i agree i mean we are we are we are simply it is simply required to incorporate the the the the corporate logo prominently yeah yeah yeah yeah and make that a fashion symbol as well well n well th this is this is the whole point yes you know i am i have got a a real reaction remote control to go with my real reaction coffee maker or or whatever and then people you know people demand more real reaction stuff well i was sort of kinda picturing like maybe a shape that is almost like a mouse yeah so that you know yeah when they hold it it is because a mouse is pretty comfortable to hold in your hand maybe we could make it a slightly different shape so they could hold on to it but that way they can have the volume on the side and then the channel buttons and yeah yeah have the power wherever somewhere yeah i mean that was just an idea that i had i mean i have yeah 0 no that well there is the sim my my idea was something a b probably you know a bit fatter than this but sort of tha that sorta shape so that you can just sort of ho hold it yeah yeah maybe yeah you would want it narrower than a mouse though cause it a mouse you are kinda just resting on it you want something you can definitely grip kind of a c w it i mean well it is sort of it is it is sort of a a mouse but held so maybe it would be yeah sort of a combination yeah yeah yeah you know so it is you sorta hold it in your hand like that i with you know and fiddling with the buttons yeah yeah and fiddle around with it and press it yeah so yeah kind of maybe maybe a little wider than this cause this is pretty comfortable to hold and then if you had maybe almost like a hairbrush like you could get the about the width of that end of the pen and then it widens up top and you can fiddle an yeah yeah then wider up here and then it would have a l wider thing to have the light yeah yeah the infrared light at the t v and just kinda change channels and adjust the volume and the power could be wherever up up the top or something yeah yeah cool what do you guys think about that yeah that sounds okay yeah yeah i am just i am suddenly realizing that yeah we are discussing how much how good it is going to be to change channels t we still can just tell it to i mean are we are we starting to get away from the the voice functionality of it 0 yeah yeah it is a very good point it is a very good point yeah i think we d i think we decided that w we are actually going down both routes yeah yeah yeah that the we n we need the the manual controls and that they should be of that form but that yeah yeah but do you know this shape also kind of les lend itself to to voice cause if you are you are holding it and you are fiddling but you can also bring it up like that and it is microphone esque yeah yeah then you just bring it up to your mouth and just speak to it yeah yeah yeah and just say yeah maybe we cou like w like we are leaving out the buttons for the the f less frequently used stuff but maybe we could incorporate that into the voice i th i th honest my personal view is that if it is not there people would not use it anyway i suppose but t there is the off chance that you know th the brightness is wrong on your t v or the contrast needs changing it is cer it is certainly possible i mean but they we we are going beyond w w given the state of the technology we want something that we kno we know will will work bu yeah well you can still i incorporate the voice with with less buttons i mean if the power button was also somehow like a menu button you could press that and or do voice commands and either volume thing could also be to scroll through other options like y and you could scroll through brightness and and sc and then you can you can minimize the buttons and still have those yeah that is a good idea yeah i suppose i sup yeah you know brightness and tint and stuff yeah if we we are i mean i am getting a clear message that we think that we should have those facilities available so i guess we could have a menu button as well yeah we could have the channels and the power and then a menu button and then the volume yeah so have 4 buttons and the volume instead of 3 buttons and the volume okay if we if we are going down that route then we need some sort of display do we need some sort of display but the television would be the display that things like that usually c pop up on a televi like you hit menu and menu will come up on television and have like tint brightness yeah that is on the t v yeah we actually use the television okay yeah and then y okay okay okay and you would use the scroll scroll through it yeah well i mean on a onto like a mouse the ru the scrolling button yep is actually a button as well you could press it you could press that and have it as a menu button yeah yeah that is true yeah press that is t yeah that might work i never understood how that worked though but yeah yeah it is like yeah it is like the mouse where you just kinda click it yeah you just press it yeah and you could just click that to so if you had like the menu then you could scroll through and then click it to select oka yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean yeah okay we got 5 minutes to go in this meeting okay so i d i think we have actually very conveniently just come to a good point to s to sum up cool so b b kate and kendra now go away and pa play play with a bit of plasticine or play dough play with play dough whatever it is on the other side of the atlantic and actually put what we have discussed into something i was going to say concrete but that is a slightly inappropriate word to something that we can we can see and andrew n can go away and th th think about how we can actually market this as a concept and not j not just a a a simple remote control can i just get some things clear just for my sake yeah certainly of course our energy source is going to be i think i think we decided that we are going to for for simplicity of you know long term manufacturing and maintenance that we will go for a a long term battery source cool i you know on the basis that that you know if we are going for making it a fashion statement then people are more likely to change it anyway before i it runs out and make an assumption that we we can aim for a battery that will last most people for we will say at least 5510 years and that we will w we will guarantee it for for 5 years yeah and we are having a custom chip we are having a a custom chip but given the the we have cut the functions down that will hopefully not be too problematic but given that technol technological innovation is important then we need to i will say it again technologically innovate and we we know we must resist any efforts to to try and water that down and interchangeable case i i interchangeable case seems to be important to the concept it it should be cheap you know if if we avoid any you know electrical connections yeah and i you know i if we can come up with some way of of allowing people to actually personalize it to whatever they want then i mean this is totally new we d we do not know whether that to what extent people do it or not but if they have at least got a a good selection of covers that they can use anyway and and if if we can keep them you know rolling then you know so they can get them in the supermarket when they go down to a any of the famous supermarkets i will not mention any mention any names it is it is good for the supermarket and it is good for us and it hopefully makes them feel better and are we going to have it il being illuminated from inside onto the buttons or the that i mean that is no because we have got so few buttons that it that actually makes that redundant yeah i think so too does actually yeah yeah cool yeah and especially for making them so like different and different to feel yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and the you know that that solves one of the problems of b of battery life cause that would well that would clobber the battery life so no yeah yep yeah i mean given the nature of the buttons we are having it is actually unnecessary i think yeah yeah are we having it that it is any angle or is it just as as wide cer certainly wider angle than than current so that if you are holding it you know yeah as wide as possible anyway like you are likely to and it is you know i i it will work most of the time like this or like this yeah not like my my mum who points it at the ceiling and wonders why the th th the television does not work yeah i mean i d i th i sorta envisaged that if if this was the the thing then sort of the the whole of the top would be the the infrared yeah kinda like this whole yeah so you could use like this and it would go so yeah cause i mean the r reality is people are they are going to be looking at the television whilst they are using it the chances are so if if they are holding it anyway yeah the they are reasonably likely to be holding it to use it then then that that is the sort of coverage that we want yeah okay d we are all clear where we go from here yep yep sounds good okay so thank you very much indeed and i will s see you all again in 30 minutes kay okay kay" ]

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[ "all right over all right thank you very for coming to this 3rd meeting of the design group i think we made some definite progress at the last one and come up with some interesting suggestions for our new remote control i will again very quickly just present some notes of that meeting now the problem with existing remote controls we felt was that they were ugly and the people were prepared to pay a premium for something better they have got lots of buttons on them that people do not use and find difficult to learn find difficult to learn and people lose them we thought that for our new remote control that everybody will want to rush out and buy that we should look at speech recognition rather than buttons and that if you have any buttons there should be very few of them and only for those functions that are actually identified that people use we want to go for a long lasting battery that we guarantee for the life of the product and a shape that will be instantly recognizable a as a trendy remote control and b as a real reaction product so that when people are happy with that they will want to buy everything else from us okay so again we will have the 3 presentations from the 3 of you and then we will make a final decision and the decisions that we need to make today finally are what energy source we want to use whether it is practical to use a long lasting one and i think our discussion was around the fact that if we are going to go for a long lasting power supply then basically it is sealed for life and if anybody just managed to run one down we will give them another one and it will be a you know prominently displayed as part of the the advertising literature that it is you know for life guaranteed for life now the the internal chip and this is where i need kate is expert advice and given that this has to to go to market as quickly as possible do we go for a custom designed chip or do we buy one off the shelf and program it ourselves i mean i am not a not a not a not expert on these things but presumably there must be loads of them already on the market that we can modify but that is that is your area of expertise and then the the overall design of the case is kendra is field and we had some discussions last time as to how we might go forward and we will finalize those today this is all linked in with the user interface whether we go for voice buttons or a bit of both and then you know for the next meeting kate will be looking at the look feel and design kendra they how the user actually uses it and andrew of course the product evaluation and kate and kendra will be producing a model for us to look at so if we could have the 3 presentations again please and perhaps you would like to start ok ok ok sorry ok sorry yeah okay i will just be talking about the components design okay basically i just looked at what exactly do remotes do basically they wait for you to press a key or give a voice command and then this is translated into light signals which are then seen by the tv the materials we are going to need to look at the 2 big ones are the integrated circuit chip and the battery and the integrated circuit chip works in conjunction with a diode a transistor a resonator 2 more resistors and a capacitor and the battery works in conjunction with a resistor and a capacitor basically what happens is you will press a number or give a voice command and this creates a connection within the remote that allows the chip then senses this connection and produces a signal in the morris code format this signal is sent to the transistor which amplifies it and then sends it on to the light emitting diode and which is then changed into infrared light which is sent to the tv and sort of seen by the tv and which changes the channels so as for how we should end up using this on our remote so as for how we should end up using this in our remote a couple of main questions are the buttons the fewer buttons you have i guess the few internal connections and internal codes you are going to need however to not have buttons or to use voice commands instead of buttons might make these connections more difficult and raise production costs that is something we should think about also we have to work within the company constraints and the company has informed me via email that they are experts at push buttons and that seems to be the most cost effective way of producing it also with battery connections the company has some limits on the batteries we can use so i was thinking perhaps a combination of solar cells with a backup basic battery and somehow between the combination of that tube we might be able to come up with something that will last the lifetime for the 5 to 10 years and we could still keep that original idea we also need to look at the chips of custom divine versus off the shelf and the custom design will give us much more flexibility and enable us to incorporate the voice function that we all seem to have agreed upon however that is going to cost more but the off the shelf is going to be cheaper and it is going to allow us to produce it quicker and get it out there faster but it is going to be less flexible with the features especially things like voice activation which have not really been used much on remote so there is not really chips out there that would be easy to convert so if we were definitely going to go with the voice option we would probably have to design our own chip and that pretty much sums it up okay so how sorry can you just put that one back up again please yep okay i mean inevitably a custom design chip is going to be more expensive do we know by how much i do not actually have any price information no and do we know how long it will take to develop a custom chip a lot longer than an off the shelf chip in an off the shelf chip the problem is the voice technology is not really highly developed it is still in an experimental form so it is hard to predict the time right i think we need to make a decision here given that the company wants this on the market quickly and cheaply that would appear to effectively constrain as to an existing chip and thus therefore conventional button technology before we go around does anybody have anything to say about that i just have a question about that does it make a difference if there are just a few commands for example if you can pre program in numbers one through 10 and pre programmed say you know 9 channels and then just use the voice recognition to say channel one and then you have programmed in say bbc 4 is your channel one as your favorites like to have a certain number of favorites well just to to incorporate the voice activation in it is sort of the trick once you have got the whole voice chip in there then it is pretty much the world either the sky is your limit but to actually the big step is to actually get the voice activation chips in there and working i must say i find that it is surprising given that mobile phones incorporates voice activated diving so i mean i for a slightly different well no it is if you speak some of these name they will tell the number for you so i mean this this information is from is that this is the internal bits of it yeah of course mobile phones do tend to be more expensive yeah you know £150 or something as opposed to the €20 €25 there is any price information that is difficult to decide yeah that is right it is how you see you can not because mobile phones are expensive you can not say it is a voice recognition bit of these but we do not know i mean i said i mean if give them that the technology is not well developed and given that it is never been done before the double risk perhaps we ought to stick to buttons since the last thing we want to do is present a product that does not work thoughts but another thought i 0 sorry go ahead i was just going to say that maybe like a cut corner somewhere else to bring it to the local cost i mean do we think that the voice technology is fundamental to the project it is fundamental well i mean i guess it is something we have discussed since the sort of the beginning so i think in our in our minds it is fundamental but i do not know that the the upper echelons of the company would necessarily agree with that so i think it is a you know you know i just like that i much time 0 yeah well i kind of think if we are going to have the voice recognition for part of it then maybe we should have it for the whole thing yeah i think that is and we have been talking about it the whole time i am kind of inclined to say that we should just go for it okay and take some for each of my finding it is the 2nd most important aspect of the user is that the device should be technologically innovative yeah from my presentation yeah so it should be technologically innovative right okay so all right sounds good okay it will have voice recognition if that means we can not afford buttons but i mean same question do we need the 5 buttons for channel change up down volume up down and on off just as a backup or so that people can yeah i would say we do i think so right okay sorry did you want to say anything no no okay shall we move rapidly on to kendra okay quickly move the cable over that is is it going to work yes is it going to work yeah we will get that yeah okay okay so i did some research on the internet and what you know the user interface are just the aspects that are seen by users commands and mechanisms for the operation and they are just kind of a variety of choices finding so a lot of times they tend to look cluttered and these were just a couple examples of different kinds that are a little bit more unusual there are some special ones available like this one right here which is marketed towards children different designs and one of the things that we need to watch out for is a v in volume because people some of the so one of the things that people have used is a slide button like you have on a mouse that possibly we could use that on the side for volume for example have the slide button on the side and then you can pre program the channels voice recognition and then the voice response sample locator if i can interrupt yeah well do you want to say anything about slide controls i mean i think the reason everybody uses push buttons is that they are simple cheap and reliable i think they are about the same cost really i mean i think it is just sort of there is a lot of slide buttons out there i think it is pretty much the same sort of connection fair enough fine just because i for example if i am using a mouse i like to be able to slide it up and down so i thought it might be good for volume to just be able to kind of roll it and then have the up and down and then the yeah so 3 buttons on the slider 3 buttons the channel up channel up down if you have got channel up down we could have a slider on that as well because if you know if you notice on the thing it kind of like it has got kind of you know it kind of like sticks you know what i mean up like one unit if you see what i mean yeah so it kind of goes up one then like you can keep rolling up but it is like like a cog or something so you kind of take it up one at a time okay the only advantage i was thinking of to having the buttons like the buttons on one side for the channel and then the slider is that if you are just holding it in your hand and you pick it up it is easy to know okay this is the volume volume and that is just right on the lot like it is like meant to change the channel and turn the volume or vice versa so it would be kind of good to have the beat feel completely different you would know what you were fiddling with yeah i mean that this is what is they would have to come up with is the actual shape that people can instantly pick it up and know no know what it is going to do yeah okay so we are looking at sliders for both volume and channel change well i was thinking kind of just for the volume but what do you guys think depending on the final shape of it because you could have like i do not know where it is there it looks like you can control the volume with your thumb and then you can control the buttons of your fingers yeah in that kind of position the fingers would be better for pressing and that for rolling it seems to me that it also has the advantage that the 2 are clearly different yeah there is no possibility of confusing the 2 so okay i can pass this along right so that is sorry that is all you yes you want to set them out okay fine yeah there is my there is 0 wait 0 that is it there we go yeah this might report on trend watching the digital was coming from the internet from executive summary for us on the top 3 things wanted by the consumer and we have got reports from paris milan on new fashions and the most important aspect is the look it has to look fancy look and feel instead of the current functional look and feel this is twice as important as the 2nd aspect which is the 10 the logically innovative side of it so the 3rd being easy to use it is probably a given that is where you have to try and incorporate so i mean i think that is what we are suggesting to address all 3 of those exactly yeah okay my sequence yeah sorry yeah and from the fashion watches from milan and paris have said fruit vegetables are an important theme for clothes and furniture and shoes etc yes sorry cloths shoes and furniture and spongy material to be used on the outside i thought of that that is different certainly but i was going to say yeah fruit and vegetables important to this year important to furniture i just can not say like if fashion if we are going for the it looks fancy then fashion is obviously the line we are going to have to be going through but fashions do not last very long well that can kind of tie into our changing face things like we could have fruit and vegetable theme this year yeah whatever happens next year we can have the face plates yeah like a spongy skin on it and then you can just whip that off yeah like the kind of you get on like canned weights you know that kind of spongy yeah that weird i do not know what that is but yeah kind of yeah also maybe you can drop it without damaging it yeah that is true yeah we could if we could save depending on the cost of the product itself you know could we have a cheaper power source and then just to have it annually renewed instead of having a 10 year guarantee with interchangeable covers or just buy a new one every year a new one when your fashions come out i mean it is an interesting idea it is like the old swatch watch where the only batteries ever got changed in those because people just bought a new one when it went out to fashion this has never been seen as a fashion item before that is if they are made in sufficient quantity i think it is easier sometimes to have them buy changeable covers for it than to buy a whole new one because you do not feel like you are investing in a whole new product i mean we can i mean my feeling is that current power sources are such that for relatively little cost you can make it last you know a long time but if you can also make it cheap enough that people either change the cover every year or even buy a new one every year then it is even better what if we included the batteries in the cover 0 yeah so that also kind of encourages them to buy new covers yeah so can i see that and thing just this and the only i mean the immediate thing that comes to mind with that is that you have then got the connection and you have immediately got a sort of unreliability whereas the advantage of having it plomed in is that the whole thing is all completely soldered together yeah i guess that is and you know totally reliability but i mean i know what you are saying and understand where you are coming from but like a like more than just the battery like a complete different like you have only got like this bit is the bit you keep and this is expensive but this is like the chip and this is the microphone and then this is the power source and that everyone sees and then i i think if you are going to go down that route then we are talking about a big cost slightly more than that just building the whole thing in one and yeah you are getting cheaper production costs and you know giving people the option of buying a new a complete new thing the advantage of a replaceable cover is that even if it does not have a cover on at all it will still work totally and if people lose the cover i mean they might be well inclined to go out and spend however many euros on a new one rather than a complete new well that is just it with the covers you are sort of tricking them into continuing to spend their money on our products without making them feel like they are being ripped off having to buy a new product yeah i mean it is up to it is up to €5 to get yeah it is up to our marketing people right to make turn it into a fashion item and you know as external fashions change then we get new new covers on the market and you know readily available and that is the sort of thing once you get the mold set you can just whip out different colors yeah like they have very quickly that is right exactly exactly fruit and animal prints and colors yeah so okay so okay right sorry you had not finished your i do not know what i will say we are just going to say yeah are we going to make this part of like a part of the like the fashion supply to furniture so we are going to make this part of the furniture it is the sort of thing that we want people to have prominently displayed on their coffee table to say this says something about me this is fashionable this is fashionable i know i am with it i am up to days and the design that i have got and it could be a homemade design this says this is not just a television remote control this is a fashion accessory so i mean the basic shape is what we i mean given that we have got one on off button presumably 2 buttons for channel change and one slider and basically nothing else we need to decide on the just the basic shape of the thing and whether we go down the fruit and veg roots and i do not suggest we make it look like a banana but that is what the organic you know curved look to deliberately get away from the you know the square look of most current remotes whether the fixed part of it is the corporate yellow or because there is certainly no the corporate logo needs to be prominently displayed so that people look at it and say right that is a real reaction remote control i want one of those i do not know that we should make the whole thing you would have like a yellow circle with the rr and it somewhere on it but yellow seemed a bit of a strong color to make me like the thing no but maybe it should be white or gray or black some sort of black color it is simply required to incorporate the corporate logo prominently like that a fascist symbol also well this is the whole point yes you know i have got a real reaction remote control together with my real reaction copymaker or whatever and then people demand more real reaction stuff well i was sort of kind of picturing like maybe a shape that is almost like a mouse so that when they hold it because a mouse is pretty comfortable to hold in your hand maybe we could make it a slightly different shape so they could hold on to it but that way they can have the volume on the side and then the channel buttons the power wherever somewhere i mean now it is just an idea that i had well as i say my idea was something probably a bit fatter than this but sort of that sort of shape so you just sort of hold it you want to narrow it in a mouse a mouse you are kind of just resting on it you want something you can definitely grip sort of a combination a mouse but held you know so you sort of holding your hand like that fiddle around with it fiddling with the buttons yeah so yeah kind of maybe a little wider than this because this is pretty comfortable to hold and then if you had maybe almost like a hairbrush like you would get about the width of that end of the pen and it widens up top and then it would have a wider thing to have the light the infrared light at the tv and just kind of change channels and adjust the volume the power could be wherever up the top or something what do you guys think about that yeah i am just suddenly realizing that yeah we are discussing how good it is going to be to change channels we still can just tell it to are we starting to get away from the voice functionality of it 0 yeah that is a very good point that is a very good point point i think we i think we decided that we are actually going down both routes yeah that the we need the the manual controls and that they should be of that form yeah do you know this shape also kind of lends lend itself to to voice it is because if you are you are holding it and you are fiddling but you can also bring it up like that yeah yeah maybe like like we are leaving out the buttons for the flesh you can not use stuff but maybe you can not incorporate that into the voice i would honestly my personal view is that if it is not there people would not use it anyway i suppose the areas of chance that you know that the brightness is wrong on your tv the contrast is changing it is certainly possible i mean but we we are going beyond given the state of the technology we want something that we know will will work we can still incorporate the voice with with less buttons i mean if the power button was also somehow like a menu button you could press that or do voice commands and the volume thing could also be to scroll through other options and you could scroll through brightness yeah i suppose you can minimize the buttons and still have those you know brightness and tint and stuff i mean i am getting a clear message that we think that we should have those facilities available so i guess we could have a menu button as well we could have the channels and the power and then a menu button yeah and then the volume so have 4 buttons and the volume instead of 3 buttons on the wall okay if we are going down that route then we need some sort of display do we need some sort of display the television yeah that is a tv and then you hit menu and menu will come up on television and have like tint brightness and you would use the scroll scroll through it i mean onto like a mouse the scrolling button is actually a button as well you could press it yeah you could press that yeah that is true press that is yeah that might have i just where that worked though but you yeah it is like yeah it is like the mouse where you just kind of click it you just press it yeah and you could just click that so if you had like the menu then you could scroll through and then click it to select yeah yeah you know what i mean yeah okay we have got 5 minutes to go in this meeting so i think we have actually very conveniently just come to a good point to sum up so kate and kendra now go away and play with a bit of plasticine or play doh whatever it is on the other side of the atlantic and actually put what we have discussed into something i was going to say concrete that is a slightly inappropriate word to something that we can see andrew can go away and think about how we can actually market this as a concept and not just a simple remote control can i just get some things clear as from yes certainly of course our energy source is going to be long term i think we decided that we are going to for simplicity of manufacturing and maintenance so we will go for a long term battery source i know on the basis that if we are going through it making it a fashion statement then people are more likely to change it anyway before it runs out and making an assumption that we can aim for a battery that will last most people for let us say at least 510 years and that we will guarantee it for 5 years and we are having a custom chip having a custom chip but given the we have cut the functions down that will hopefully not be too problematic but given the technological innovation is important then we need to say again technologically innovate and we we we must resist any efforts to to try and water that down and interchangeable case interchangeable case seems to be important to the concept it should be cheap if we avoid any electrical connections you know if we can come up with some way of allowing people to actually personalize it to whatever they want then i mean this is totally near this is totally new we do not know whether to what extent people will do it or not but if they have at least got a good selection of covers that they can use anyway and if we can keep them rolling then they can get them in the supermarket when they go down to any of the famous supermarkets i will not mention any names it is good for the supermarket it is good for us and it hopefully makes them feel better and are we going to have it being illuminated from the inside onto the button so the i mean that is no because we have got so few buttons that it that actually makes that redundant it does actually yeah yeah and especially if we are making them so like different to feel yeah yeah yeah and that solves one of the problems of the battery life because that would that would probably the battery life so no i mean given the nature of the buttons we are having it is actually unnecessary i think yeah yeah i am having it that it is any angle or is it just as wide certainly wider angle than current so that if you are holding it you know any way like you are likely to and it is you know it will work most of the time not like my my mommy points it at the ceiling and why the television does not work yeah i mean i sort of envisage that if this was the thing then sort of the whole of the top would be the infrared yeah it is where you could it was like this and it would go yeah because i mean the reality is people are they are going to be looking at the television whilst they are using it the chances are so if they are holding it anyway that they are reasonably likely to be holding it to use it use it then that is the sort of coverage that we want okay do we all clear where we go from here thank you very much indeed and i will see you all again in 30 minutes okay" ]

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[ "right w welcome to the the 1st meeting of real reaction is development meetings for our our new television remote control this follows our very successful entry into the the consumer market over the last year or so which we want to to build on taking advantage of the the the latest developments in in technology and the the latest feelings in in consumer design and and demand and we want to make this the the very best product th that is possible for everybody one that everybody wants at a good price for the consumer and at a good price for the company and to that end we need all to work together to do that and b in no particular order because ev everybody is just as vital to this project i will just go round th the table andrew marketing m kendra with the designing the the the user interface and kate with the the industrial design what is the the th th project is is here to do is is to to get this this project up and moving ev everybody is is free to say wh whatever they want everybody has a contribution to make and everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say in in terms of the immediate meeting the everybody knows everybody else everybody is worked for the the company for a while if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselves please do if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody is quite clear what everybody everybody is experience is please do so in fact i would i would i would welcome anybody to say something briefly about themselves in fact we will do that by by going round the table quickly and and saying what what contribution you you are looking to make so we will start with andrew 0 my name is andrew i am a i am the market research person for this for this meeting and this project for creating this new remote control and yeah i will be presenting information statistics on what people want to want to get from this new design what people want to like and from a fashion point of view and the practicality point of view right kendra i am kendra and i am the us user interface designer and i have not had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but i am m so i will be working on the design right at least means you have not got any preconceived ideas so right yep i am just open to being creative i am katie i am the industrial designer and i will just be i guess presenting about the the inter workings of our little remote control and yeah yep good okay very very quickly this i do not want to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it is a you know a think tank everybody says what they what they want to say and we do not want to be constrained by kind of convention or slides on screens or or anything else but briefly th th this is what we want to do the the remote control needs to be original there has to be something about it that other remote controls do not have so that as soon as people see it they think yes that is different i want one and that goes along with being trendy you know the i want it scenario user friendly as as we all know remote controls can be very user unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick up and think 0 yes that is it is obvious how that works and they also want to look at the price and think 0 yeah that is something that i may not need another remote control but it is such a nice one i am going to have one and last but not least or indeed 1st of all it it must make the company money and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants the the further work to be done is i the the functional design what it what it must actually do the conceptual design how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is how we get that into production now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and let us very quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here in fact i suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from the the the wires that we do not do that so i i everybody knows what whiteboard is so we will we will do a virtual drawing on the on on the whiteboard of of your your own favorite animal but le let us go round the table your favorite animal badger and why it is it has got nice contrast with black and white and i feel they are underdog kind of status and they are the huh 0 right my my wife says my beard looks like a badger is arse cause of the the white streaks in it probably a duck i just i li i like the way they look and they are just nice animals and i like how they can fly or swim or walk around or whatever kendra huh right okay is horses no particular reason why huh fair enough yeah i am not sure that i have got any favorite animal to be quite honest i think homo sapien because of their their overall ability to make mobile phones and t v remotes to make t v remotes sorry indeed absolutely yes tha that is okay and w we need to keep in mind here that the we want to sell this for for €25 we want to m make an overall profit for the the company of €50000000 so we are we are looking at selling a lot of these ag across the the entire planet and and we are looking at a gross profit of 50% it needs to cost €12 50 to make so we are not only looking at a a very trendy original product we are looking at making it at a very good price okay would anybody like t like to to start by giving their 0 sort of quick views of of current remote controls well i think i find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons and it is handiest when you have one that works both the d v d player or whatever and the t v as well but that it is easy to if you can switch back and forth instead of having to press a bunch of different buttons and so i think it is is best when they are clearly labeled and you can see which buttons you are supposed to use no you know any any thoughts about buttons or any oth other way of approaching the p the the problem or anybody else strong feelings about remote controls are there you know bad ones they have used or good ones they have used or ones that they have lost and never found again i think it is important that you should be able to when you when you press the buttons it will actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you should not have to like contort yourself and twist your remote control to get it the t v to actually pick up the signal yeah yeah think a lot of the time remotes that come with t v players and t v s and d v players like they are not like an area that is put a lot of effort into they are very boring very plain like it is very a very like making a a stylish remote control would be a very like easily put us one step ahead of the current competition what so wh what is in in what particular style features are you thinking about something that looks looks does not look like remote control so if you want something that looks like something that makes you think 0 what is this like this pen does not really look like a pen but it makes you think 0 huh so sorry that is a bit vague yeah d no i mean do you think there is a risk if it does not look like remote control people will not see it as a remote control and i suppose suppose that is up to the marketing to to make make people aware of the product huh any other thoughts about th the physical appearance of a of remote controls i think something that is comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big rectangular things and they are kind of awkward to hold onto so something that is more comfortable that fits in a person is hand better i mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which i mean y you get all sorts of shapes in the shops and s you know some quite fancy ones than the some from personal experience which look nice but are not particularly comfortable yeah yeah yeah yeah any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or well from the mouse idea you could remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubber buttons sticking out of it which you press whereas if you want could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead of being raised out of the device you push into device you see like a mouse button yes i mean the only thing is if if you are watching television in a in a a darkened room you need to be able to i suppose fi find the button buttons easily easily yeah yeah but maybe they could be concave instead of sticking up to have them be kind of down so you could feel them better yeah that is must admit i do not think i have ever seen one with concave buttons that is certainly be different do we need it to i can not think of any re remote controls that i know of that actually light up at all 0 yeah do we do we want that would be good like a like a mobile phone yeah yeah yeah that would be good okay so andrew have you had any thoughts yet about how we might market something which there are already 1000000s out there and that we want to t take over the entire the planet with especially if we try to sell what 2000000 of them 0 sorry 4000000 of em but i think if w if we market it as as not as not well this you c you could either market it as the point of view we could have the 2 we could have parallel marketing s schemes where you have got one where it appeals to people that want to have the new device that looks cool is fashionable and like you just it is it is like it is one that rather than ra i wan i want rather than a kind of a need relationship with the device but that might considering the act what the device is for and the nature of some people might not like respond to having a device that they just looks nice therefore they want it so make it practical at the same time i think it is this is going to have to appeal to people that want device that can enhance their living room but also a device that is practically sound so i dunno we will have to decide which which angle we are going to go to or both okay yeah yeah well i d i think an any any facets that we identify w we aim need to aim for for all of if you okay well 1st thoughts on the the industrial design side 0 i think it is it is remote controls are kind of a unique object cause it is you depend on them so much but you do not i i it is you sort of just assume they are always going to work you do not think of them as a comp like a computer can break down and you are kinda like 0 well fair enough there is all these complex things going on it is going to something is going to get messed up eventually they they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it is god forbid you actually get up and manually change the channel it just it needs to be very effective very always dependable indeed i do not think we should make it too small i cause i think it needs to it can not be too big like you were saying big an and huge and awkward but also if you make it too small kinda like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller it is just going to end up under a couch cushion somewhere and yeah yeah but so yes dependable and have a good medium range size okay and colors materials kendra anyone well most i think most of the remote controls now are either just black or gray so maybe we should go with something different or be able to i was just thinking of what they are doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different what are they called like the face plates that you change so we could have maybe i do not know if it would be feasible to do something with that yeah where you can change the face plates or have kind of a variety so people can get different different things huh have it kind of look how they want to different colors things like that probably just plastic because that is always the lightest right yeah okay that is again i do not think that is ever been done before it is the sort of the sort of thing that would get people thinking yes that is something that i have not got and might need so andrew any thoughts about how we might market interchangeable fronts on on the remote control well we could either market it together by getting control in a set color or with like you buy it with several like you ge you get the f the face plates with it when you buy or as a separate thing but maybe thinking of that it is considering the nature of the device maybe a 2nd thing like a 2nd campaign to market new facials for your to your might go a bit astray since it is the kind of thing where y you generally get one and then forget about it yeah unless you were trying to yeah well you could come up with like novelty ones like they have done with the the mobile phones i think you can get like different you know scenes from different movies and stuff on the remote control and sorta stagger the release of them and get people like 0 i want that cover on it now and that will keep them spending money yeah 0 it is that is a that is a good idea yeah right okay i think we have got a good idea now yeah true we meeting is needs to be k wrapped up fairly quickly so we have got 30 minutes to start looking at the at the design in more detail then we will we will reconvene in in 30 minutes and try to get some of these ideas more formalized thank you very much indeed okay thank you" ]

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[ "welcome to the 1st meeting of the real reactions for our new television remote control for our new television remote control as far as our very successful entry into the consumer market over the last year or so which we want to build on taking advantage of the latest developments in technology and the latest feelings in consumer design and demand and we want to make this the very best product that is possible for everybody one that everybody wants at a good price for the consumer and at a good price for the company and to that end we need all to work together to do that and in no particular order because everybody is just as vital to this project i will just go around the table andrew marketing kendra with the designing the user interface and kate with the industrial design what is the project is here to do is to get this project up and moving everybody is free to say whatever they want everybody has a contribution to make and everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to say what you want to say in terms of the immediate meeting the everybody knows everybody else if he is worked for the company for a while anybody feels that they need to say more about themselves please do if anybody wants to briefly give their backgrounds so that everybody is quite clear what everybody yeah everybody is experiences please do so in fact i would welcome anybody to say something briefly about themselves in fact we will do that by by going around the table quickly and saying what what contribution you you are looking to make so we start with andrew my name is andrew well i have the market research person for this meeting of this project for creating this new remote control and yeah i will be presenting information on statistics on what people want to what to get from this new design what people want to build the like and from a fashion point of view and a practical point of view i am kendra and i am the user interface designer and i have not had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but i am so i will be working on the design but at least means you have not got any preconceived ideas right yep i am just open to being creative yep good i am katie i am the industrial designer and i will just be i guess presenting about the inter workings of our little remote control and yeah okay very quickly this i do not want to make this meeting this meeting too structured because the whole idea is that it is a you know a think tank everybody says what they want to say and we do not want to be constrained by you know convention or slides on screens or anything else but briefly this is what we want to do the remote control needs to be original there has to be something about it that other remote controls do not have so that as soon as people see it they think yes that is different i want one and that goes along with being trendy you know i want it scenario user friendly as we all know remote controls can be very user unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick up and think 0 yes that is it is obvious how that works and they also want to look at the price and think 0 yeah that is something that i may not need another remote control but it is such a nice one i am going to have one and last but not least or indeed 1st of all it must make the company money and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants the further work to be done is the functional design what it must actually do the conceptual design how we actually present that to the consumer and the detailed design is how we get that into production now the the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the whiteboard and let us very quickly do what it what it says in the in the prompt slide here i suggest to avoid everybody tangleing themselves from the wires that we do not do that so every knows what whiteboard is so we will do a virtual drawing on the whiteboard of your own favorite animal let us just go around the table your favorite animal badger why it has got a nice contrast i feel they are an underdog kind of status my wife says my beard looks like a badger is arse yeah kendra probably a duck i just i like the way they look and they are just nice animals and like how they can fly or swim or walk around or whatever right okay it is horses no particular reason why i am not sure that i have got any favorite animal to be quite honest i think homo sapien because of their overall ability to make mobile phones and tv remotes sorry to make tv remotes indeed absolutely yes that is okay and we need to keep in mind here that the we want to sell this for €25 we want to make an overall profit for the company of €50000000 so we are looking at selling a lot of these that go across the entire planet and we are looking at the gross profit of 50% he needs to cost €12 50 to make so we are not only looking at a very trendy original product we are looking at making it at a very good price okay would anybody like to start by giving their sort of quick views of current remote controls well i think i find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons and it is handiest when you have one works both the dvd player or whatever and the tv as well but that it is easy to see if you can switch back and forth instead of having to press a bunch of different buttons and so i think it is best when they are clearly labeled and you can see which buttons you are supposed to use you know any thoughts about buttons or any other way of approaching the the problem or anybody else strong feelings about remote controls are they bad ones they have used or good ones they have used or ones that they have lost and never found again i think it is important that you should be able to when you press the buttons it will actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you should not have to contort yourself and twist your remote control to get it to tv to actually pick up the signal yeah i think a lot of the time remotes that come with tv players sorry tvs and dvd players like they are not like an area that is put a lot of effort into they are very boring very plain i think it is very like i am making a stylish control would be a very like easily puts one step ahead of the current what what is in what particular style features you are thinking about something that looks looks does not look like more control to be honest something that looks like a something that makes you think 0 it is this like this pen does not really like a pen but it makes you think so i mean that is a bit vague yeah no i mean do you think there is a risk if it does not look like remote control people will not see it as remote control and i suppose that is up to the marketing to make people aware of the product huh any other thoughts about some the physical appearance of a remote control i think something that is comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big rectangular things and they are kind of awkward hold on to so something that is more comfortable that fits in a person is hand better i mean the thing that immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which you get all sorts of shapes in the shops and some quite fancy ones and some from personal experience which look nice but are not particularly comfortable yeah any thoughts about buttons or flat screens or well from the mouse idea you know like a classic remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubber buttons sticking out of it which you press whereas if you want for the mouse point of view it could be all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead of being raised out of the device that you push into the device you seem like a mouse button i mean the only thing is if you are watching television in a darkened room that is what you need to be able to find the buttons easily but maybe they could be concave instead of sticking up to have them be kind of down so you could feel them better yeah that is i do not think i have ever seen one with concave buttons it is certainly be different do we need it to i can not think of any remote controls that i know of that actually light up at all do we want like a mobile phone yeah yeah yeah okay so andrew have you had any thoughts yet about how we might market something which there are already 1000000s out there and that we want to take over the entire planet with with especially we try to sell 2000000 of them well sorry 4000000 of them but i think if we market is is not as not well this you can either market to the point of view we could have the 2 we can have parallel market schemes where we got one where it appeals to people that want to have the new device that looks cool it is fashionable and like you just it is like it is like a it is one rather a want rather than kind of a need relationship with the device but that might concern actually what the device is for and nature some people might not like respond to having a device that they just looks nice therefore they want it so make it practical at the same time i think it is it is a grab to appeal to people that want device that can enhance their living room but also a device that is practically sound so i do not know what to decide which which angle we are going to go to or both okay yeah yeah well i think in any any facets that we identify we we need to aim for for all of okay but the 1st thoughts on the industrial on the design well i think it is it is normal controls are kind of a unique object because it is you depend on them so much but you do not it is it is you sort of just assume they are always going to work you do not think of them as a like a computer can break down and you are kind of like 0 well fair enough there is all these complex things going on it is going to something is going to get messed eventually they just need to be very very dependable because people sort of take them for granted and then if your remote control breaks it is god forbid you can actually get up and manually change the channel it just it needs to be very effective very always it just it needs to be very effective very dependable i do not think we should make it too small because i think it needs to it can not be too big like you are saying big and huge and awkward but also if you make it too small kind of like you know how mobile phones are getting smaller and smaller it is just going to end up on our couch cushion somewhere yeah but so yeah it is dependable and of a medium range size okay and colors materials kendra anyone well most i think most of the remote controls now are either just black or gray so maybe we should go with something different or be able to i was just thinking of what they are doing with mobile phones now how you can get the different what are they called like the face plates that you change so we could have maybe i do not know if it would be feasible to do something with that where you can change the face plates or have kind of a variety so people can get different things have it kind of look how they want to different colors things like that probably just plastic because that is always the lightest okay that is again i do not think that is ever been done before it is the sort of thing that would get people thinking yes that is something that i have not gotten might need so andrew any thoughts about how we might market interchangeable from some on remote control and we could do their market together by getting control in set color or with like you buy it with several you get you get the face plates with when you buy it or it is a separate thing but i am maybe thinking that it is consider the nature of the device maybe a 2nd thing like a 2nd campaign to market new facials for your 2 year might go a bit astray since it is the kind of thing where you generally get one and then forgets about it how much wish right now well you could come up with like novelty ones like they have done with the mobile phones and you can get like different you know scenes from different movies and stuff on their remote control that is a good idea stagger the release of them and get people like 0 i want that cover on it now and i will keep them spending money okay i think we have got a good idea now the meeting is needs to be wrapped up fairly quickly so we have got 30 minutes to start looking at the design in more detail and we will reconvene in 30 minutes and try to get some of these ideas more formalized thank you very much indeed thank you" ]

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[ "right 1st time this time nu there we go it is not that complicated but i get it wrong every time okay so we are just waiting for matthew for matthew yep so i suggest we start the meeting without matthew he is obviously late for some reason kay good today we will talk about conceptual design i hope you both did some some work concerning a conceptual design this will be the agenda for the meeting i will take some minutes again we will have the presentations of y of you different team members and then try to come to decisions about the concepts you have presented yep yep so and that will we have some 40 minutes to complete this so who has the fir do you ha anna do you have your presentation ready i have a presentation i am just making this yeah i think yeah the matthew it is it is important that matthew yeah is here because okay ah there is matthew it is really a a team project with a team and if someone is not here then we cannot but it is okay it is good sorry okay i will just email you this file my presentation so good do presentation ready i am just emailing it to you 0 okay so so did you manage yeah i sent you the slides you did not see them 0 yes i see him good yes okay no so kay okay it should have gone through to you okay yes i have it okay so this is just a presentation on the trends that we are going to use to make the product stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment can i just put this on so we have to work out a way what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so people want to buy it this is to do this i will not remove my microphone we basically used some focus group surveys which i went through with you last time the main results of that and some research on the current design and fashion trends that are out there at the moment and as part of this the important aspects that came out were things that we have already discussed really the most important by far was the look and feel of it it needs to be something that is very different from everything else out there it needs to stand out it needs to be not functional like the rest of the things out there at the moment most people find remote controls boring at the moment we need to have something that looks interesting that looks exciting that will stand out people will want to buy it that was twice as i important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative has to have something else apart from just the look of it people have to then think about it and say got something there that i want that is a really cool feature and it has to make them want to buy it again 3rd on the list and again innovative was twice as important as this last aspect it has to be easy to use so they have to be able to be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it drawing on the fashion trends at the moment fruit and vegetables this is basically talking about just the the feel of it so probably not the smell of it but the bright colors eye catching really bold designs and a spongy feel i had a talk to the design people about this but having a remote that is tactile that feels different that would be really cool that would make it stand out so can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said spongy feel about the feeling yeah yo you can well ma make it not necessar sp spongy is the current thing spongy is the current texture but basically there are no reports no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all so if we make it like maybe furry or soft or something okay that will be something that sets it apart rather than just bare plastic which they all are at the moment yeah okay so as far as the design goes the very most important aspect was the design to the customers so going with the fruit and vegetable idea we have got the bright colors so makes it stand out the oranges and the the bright yellows and the florescent colors part of the fruit and vegetables going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones they have all got those a lot of them have the changeable covers so they can choose what color the outside is that is one way of looking at it textured feel we just talked about maybe it is another way of doing that so if it is part of the the changeable covers then may maybe they can choose a different texture a spongy one or a soft one or something like that so they can choose it li as they want to to maybe to fit in with their decor in their living room yeah that is a very good idea yeah or just what they like their sports team or whatever yeah and yeah still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so functionality the way the mobile phones work the way the keypad looks also just the way that a lot of industrial design is going into mobile phones at the moment they are big selling items people put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that and we can start using some of their ideas back to technological in in innovation not quite as important but still a big issue we talked about having a way of finding a remote control if it has been lost that is one thing we could look at there are other aspects like l c d screens and speech recognition which were not i do not think in my personal opinion going to be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them i think we are better doing something basic like this which is very important and very will be a really cool feature to put in and use i had no real specific ideas for this maybe we just the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe by themselves and then yeah and then th th the finer details of buttons you do not use as much either hidden away or completely separate yes well maybe matthew can can give some more information on the yeah voila yep and that is the presentation okay good that is very clear yeah very clear yeah kay so does anyone have any comments or ideas on that i think you maybe we yes well we maybe can decide later on the l the the look and feel of i have it was a good idea maybe to to to let the people choose you mean yes the the the there are changeable covers yeah but on the other hand i i do not know whether my superiors would be so glad with it because you have to introduce a complete new l line of of supplies it would be very complicated organizational well we are selling so many units of this this is going to be a mass marketed product we can afford to have 2 or 3 different designs at least yeah a range of yeah a set of 34 different aspects yes sure that fits the yes and of course it will be a we we get a if it works we can get after sales i mean that would would be very good i mean those covers could go for for 3 yeah €5 that is a very good idea and then maybe we can go a th matthew is presentation because yeah s then we could discuss later like we can put all ideas together the together indeed because you ma might have some some information on the the easy to use what you were already mentioning yeah yeah i agree it should be easier with that yeah yeah yeah and your part is very related to mine because when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside so yeah yeah so i will i will go with that actually so okay so m so then the the idea of having a remote is generally you have different keys and different structures different forms and they could be like buttons or like and they could be of a varying sizes if you want to to basically emphasize a particular key more than the other and maybe like you can have different colors for example having the r red for the on off switching on and off the button so this this is the general trend to ha the method they do yeah so what i have found was that currently the they are mostly that the t v v c r music system operated ones actually and they are very specific to each other but there are some common keys for example if you want to follow the v c r and if you want to follow the g s some soundtrack on the w w see they have the common thing actually you can have and there is also a speech recognition to store channel information names like you can basically if you have a multiple functionality say t v v c r or something i say it to the t v and the t v and you can program the keys if you want to certain keys are even the channel information i like the idea though of having speech recognition for like the n the name of a channel like b b c rather than having to remember the the number of it on the keypad yeah yeah so you you you can just because as more and more channels come then you have more and more problems to remember the v v exact channel numbers ex exactly that is a good idea yeah even if you arrange it by however you arrange it you still have the problem to remember exactly which channel you want to yeah i really like that idea so what functionalities do you suggest for that for facing this problem so it it it is like it limited one in the present market i saw it that says something like they are looking for 80 word thing 80 word which should not be th that difficult to implement like 80 to 100 word basically you want you do not want to store all the channels in the remote control you want to saint store your favorite channel maybe 10 channels yeah at the most yeah some 1012 channel information you know you do not want to saint store all the 100 channel information into that okay and basically it depends like the remote with l c d display for browsing because you have multiple functionalities for example you are watching a movie and you are having a universal remote control and you want to you do not know really which functionality is now so i am using the t v so every time i use it it could be like for example i can use a simple toggle switch and a display so i press it so the display says okay i am in t v or d v d or whatever it is instead of having 3 keys separately for 4 keys to model the functionalities will increase actually 0 yeah yeah yeah and for you and you might want you do not want separate keys for all of them you can not and well there can be children friendly where you can program your remote so that they they are not allowed to browse certain channels which you can block them and you can operate them so these are the things presently which are seen in the market scenarios at present i personally would look at things like having a u universal remote is is a good idea like instead of having unusual ones for all of them you can think of having with multiple functionality possibly with speech recognition i got a mail from the the coffee machine interface unit that they have integrated the s speech recognition into a into the coffee machine and so if you say hello coffee machine it say hi joe or something like that you know and b but a coffee machine there is not too many words they would be using with that it is a it is a small vocabulary yeah you you will not be using it so it is a limited vocabulary thing and very isolated word and it is it is interesting and basically storing the channel through voice or other ways of programming your keys on the display for the browsing which is again and maybe having something like a blinking thing like it could indicate you are it it could indicate what is cal like the whether you you have enough battery in your in your remote yeah the blinking at the same time if it is a dark room it can be used to locate the remote also or and you want okay for coming back to one point y you want to let the user to programming the keys 235 supposed to finish some of them yeah you can let them to do that and is not that too difficult for the we want w i do not know if we still want the r c to be easy to use that is the compromise n no but the if you give it d depends on the easiness like the user how much effort he can put yeah like for example i would like to store in certain way so if you want to give the full freedom to the user or you want to keep some constraints and let the user use it with that constraint yeah yeah yeah i think you can do it both ways so it de you can have it so it is easy they can pick it up and use it straight away without doing anythi without customizing it a standard yeah or if they want to they have the option of using these extra features yes but but i do maybe you can give a hand to us because i i am not sure whether that that we can implement that for €1250 so yeah so i am sorry to have every time i have to come down on this price again to so this might be a little limiting for your creativity but it is it is it is the real we have to consider it s so do we think these ideas an and my sp speech recognition yeah i mean maybe it is possible for for €12 but then then it will be at cost of other functionality we might implement like the the the the furry case of the yeah like i would say that for programming keys you said yeah it could be easily done within the the package of twel €12 yeah but for the a s r system i am not sure if it is feasible to have this or we well we can still look at we can talk with the coffee unit and you can check how much how much they yeah yeah yeah we exactly yeah i if if it is a low vocabulary it is already implemented and w how much it is cost maybe with a f cheap chip maybe we can come we we can talk to them and we can come with that you know yeah and also well you can think of having since you have a you know something maybe if you added little bit of display you might need the to che keep checking the battery so you really need a some kind of indicator so it could be a blinking option of l e d it could actually be used to detect also yeah if it is in a dark room you can basically detect it also yeah so i like the idea too of being able to use the remote in the dark so either having the buttons so you can feel the difference between them or if they if they light up or something no actually i if i it is like you know it tells you it can be for 2 purposes like if you have an l c d display and all those things it is not going to be the standard remote which is having which need just 66 volt th sorry 3 volts of d c it may need more actually so y you you may need to check your battery usage it and then you need that some functionality to indicate the battery limit it is true and then if the battery limit is indicated if it could be ind indicated through a blinking something and it can change the color depending on your how much is the battery well that is good enough to even locate even if you want to you know kay good yeah so i do not know how if if i have time to talk about the yes i would you you have time some more yep yes yes you can you can still okay sure you can you know we have time so what i am going to present here is very yeah basic knowledge about the all the the components that are inside a a r c a remote control and how is it manufactured h what is the process just to explain you so the method is ther there is a a set of components in a in a remote control like and what cost the the components in themself do not cost a lot but the the way to assemble everything costs obviously and i will show you my preferences at the end so there are 2 different types of nice 2 different ways of using the the components for making a a remote control the basic way is to use a an integrated circuit and some transistors with an that aims at communicating the message and to to send the message to the to the led that will transmit to the receiver and yeah the other components and the circuit board buttons infrared led etcetera for the components so you finding just to say that the chip can detect when a key is pressed and then it translate to the key to a sequence something like morse code as you know with a different sequence for each key and that is with the components we will use we will have different messages different sequences and the chips sends that signal signal to the transistor that amplify to make it stronger so electronic parts are assembled onto printed boards because it is easier to mass produce and assemble and so i think for our design we want some b programmable you know v v l s i or f p g a high technology yeah and this is important and also we will use yeah like in any high tech devices a chip of fi fiberglass to them and connect them so my personal design we need to find a solution what what is the material of the cover we want to use if it is plastic or you said that yeah you had some ideas like fruit veg or i dunno well well m m maybe m maybe we can give the the the case a very normal a v very normal case but yes yes with the changeable covers to fancy it up so like a normal cheap plastic case which can be covered up in for instance a wooden case yeah yes i mean just what just have a yeah yeah like they do in with cars i think yeah inside the car yeah just the veneer on it yeah so they also emailed me that they have available a bunch of different buttons a scroll wheels integrated push buttons s such as a computer mouse yeah and very cheap l c d s so liquid crystal displays so i am wondering i think we might be able to integrate l c d into our r c and the final point okay is we have yeah there are some compromise to to do so we have to know that the push button requires a simple chip but the scroll wheel and that kind of higher high tech stuff needs more money which is a higher price range alright and the display requires an advanced chip which in turns is more expensive than the regular chip but i think with €12 and if it is made for 4000000 items then i think w we could be able to handle that so to to sum up we need yeah so i i just said that the components the list of components has to be yeah listed and and assembly is a an important process that has to be taken into account and for the designing of the cove cover layout then it is better to to to maybe see that with the the u r exp u r i expert so that we can it is really a team working sorry so i i cannot design something without your agreement right yeah so of course for example i wanted to know like if you want to have a a fo if you want to have the l c d display over there no of course yes or if you want to store a programs with a keys what kind of things you will need inside your thin inside w wh what yeah it is kind of simple pro progra programmable device and we have to insert w what okay i think we could insert one that could underlie several functions of okay okay so in that case you can even look at the technology what the mobile phone is trying to use with the card exactly yeah for customizing and yeah yeah where they do all the wi with with them actually okay how f cost effective it would be to put that car chip into it and do the programmable things yeah so yeah good idea so i f i think we we should come to some decisions now a about this yeah so i understand when we want a display we need a expensive chip but when we want a scrolling wheel w we also need the expensive chip so can we use same chip so with one expensive chip we can implement several complicated or advanced features exactly yeah that is a very good idea we could have one main chip that could handle it is called f p g a chip yes that could handle both like scrolling wheels as well as l c d and yeah so when the more expensive chip you mentioned there is is possible in the in the given budget maybe we should go for for the more expensive chip so all features which you mentioned can be implemented based on the same chip yes d well do you think that is feasible well i do not know if it will fit into our cost of €125 you know you th you think it is possible is it possible to fit in to that yeah also thinking i think both if we had a budget of €2020 it will be okay but sorry well maybe we need specific costings then actually do maybe 2 designs and then cost them out and see which one is going to fit in our budget better yeah that is an excellent idea yes wh when you make a a design ca you can next meeting you can give an quite an exact cost price yeah yeah that w that would be a very good idea yeah because right now i do not have price in in head but for next meeting i am sure yeah be able to do that good good yeah that is that is something which i wanted to ask you also like what will be the each individually the cost of it yeah for example if f if you want to put wood i would not suggest for wood cause it is i think it is m okay much easier to use a plastic or a rubber rather than wood i agree on that yeah it will be much ch much expensive th though it is the most natural thing but yes but i can i think i think we can just use more cheap plastic for a kind of basic edition and then people can fancy it up with with more expensive materials which which come with a with another price yeah yeah it is yeah we we can give a preference to them but it is but with plastic or the rubber or whatever it is it is much better with that rather than going for do do you agree yeah but i it is a detailed yeah yeah plastic versus wood yeah sure yeah and we need maybe to center our description on the the really the what buttons what functionality we want to offer to the user yeah and maybe with graphs or i do not know user interface designer you could maybe help us on that ma i i think for next meeting we c you 2 can present a real design yeah yea okay so drawing it on the board perfect yeah and then we now sh only have to t to decide the general function so let let us say next meeting w you produce 2 designs 11 yeah sure yeah we will one less advanced and one more advanced and with the cost price yeah yeah furthermore we go for the for the basic plastic case which can be later fancied up with with addit additional how do you call them these like like mobile telephones you can put a cover over it yeah but that that that that can be done later yeah customized we now can concentrate on the on the basic remote control okay we can give them smooth keys you know smooth keys with bigger s so that you know the the problem most of the time we have seen the keys is that it is small yeah and every time we have to be very but if i the if we if we go to a different ways of designing those keys then you can merge them together to so is there any of these that you are looking at particularly or is this just ideas 0 you can actually for example if you see they are they are they are quite small over here and now you can for example as i was if you make them big it may change the look of the thing also to the people at the same time it is m more like it would be more interesting for people who are having this r s i and all problem yeah yes yes yes bi big keys is is good thing i think big keys may better for them actually and you see i agree yeah and not too m too many keys of course yeah yeah no no well one i have had before yeah a r r remote control we have at home is one that is actually got a cover on the bottom so the bottom bit is just covers half the keys most of the time and then you can slide the cover back to get to the the more advanced keys w but then you have still have when you do not use it you have such a a an extent of your remote control which you do not use yeah so maybe it is possible i do not know whether you can can indicate this that you can elsewhere open your remote control and on the inside are buttons you do not use that much yeah yeah yeah i have seen that before too yeah anoth another like b it flips up and then you have got another layer of buttons underneath yes yes yeah so it is something like this the model here s you can put the keys but i have seen also with keys and buttons on the top of here as well that is what you mean yes i i th that is what i mean so i mean something yeah yeah like like a book i like this one i like the shape of this one yeah can we have can we think about maybe having a a non recta non non rectangular one so with not just the straight little box that is a maybe curved or something yeah i like also this one yeah yeah the point is w maybe we need to also to make a decision on how how how big we want to be and how many buttons like n we should dec decide numbers or kay we should make a is this for the next meeting though i think we might be out of time out of time for this meeting yeah that yeah next meeting we should be okay ju just make 2 designs yeah that would depend upon us actually yeah yeah yeah and the we we can decide decide between th those designs yep yeah okay i think that would be a good idea perfect so anyone any questions for now no no no i do not have so is this is there anything else i need to do from a marketing point of view for the next meeting yes i come to that maybe it would be interesting if you could look for the cost inventories of other devices if you are using speech recognition or something like that yes well m maybe i do not know whether that is possible maybe you can start evaluating their work somehow okay well is this me designing a way to evaluate it so thinking about how to set up test groups and things i do not know whether that is possible in the given time but a as far as possible okay so you 2 will be together w working on a 0 on 2 prototypes yep exactly yeah and further instructions will be will be sent to you by by email 2 or 3 prototypes 2 2 2 one for like cost and the one with like higher end so that then we can be easily comparing them or you know find a compromise between both of them i okay and then yeah and find maybe a compromise yes okay yeah that is how it is perfect yeah yep okay let us call this to an end kay okay thanks guys thanks so we are done for now" ]

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[ "making it out next to be out this time this time it is not that complicated but i get it wrong every time okay so we are just waiting for matthew yep i mean to put this on so i suggest we start a meeting without matthew okay he is obviously late for some reason good today we will talk about conceptual design i hope we both did some work concerning the conceptual design this will be the agenda for the meeting i will take some minutes again we will have the presentations of a few different team members and then try to come to decisions about the concepts you have presented so and that we have some more 40 minutes to complete this so who has this i know this presentation i am just like this yeah i think matthew is important that matthew yeah because ah there is matthew it is really a team a project with a team and if someone is not here then we cannot but it is okay it is good okay i just email you this file of my presentation so okay so good you have the presentation already i am just email it to you 0 okay so did you manage the yeah i sent you the slides did you see them 0 yes i see him good yes so so okay okay okay okay should have gone through you okay i guess i have it okay so this is just a presentation on the trends that we are going to use to make the products stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment so we had to work out a way what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so if you want to buy it this is to do this i will not try the microphone we basically used some focus group surveys which i went through with you last time the main results of that and some research of the current design and fashion trends that are out there at the moment and as part of this the important aspects that came out or things that were already discussed really the most important by far was the look and feel of it needs to be something that is very different from everything else out there needs to stand out it needs to be not functional like the rest of the things out there at the moment most of people find motor control is boring at the moment we need to have something that looks interesting it looks exciting that it will stand out people will want to buy it that was twice as important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologically innovative has to have something else apart from just the look at it people have to then think about it and say there has got something there that i want that is a really cool feature and it has to make them want to buy it again 3rd on the list and again innovative was twice as important as this last aspect has to be easy to use so they have to be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it drawing on the fashion trends at the moment are fruit and vegetables this is basically talking about just the feel of it so probably not the smell of it but the bright colors eye catching really bold designs and the spongy feel i had to talk to the design people about this but having a remote that is tactile that feels different that would be really cool that would make it stand out so can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said sponging for you about the feeling yeah well make it not necessarily spongy is the current thing spongy is the current texture but basically there are no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactile at all so if we make it maybe furry or soft or something there will be something that sets it apart rather than just bare plastic which they are all out at the moment yeah okay so as far as the design goes the very most important aspect was the design to the customers so going with the fruit and vegetable idea we have got the bright colors so it makes it stand out the oranges and the bright yellows and the fluorescent colors part of the fruit and vegetables going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobile phones they have all got those a lot of them have the changeable covers so you can choose what color the outside is that is one way we are looking at it text we just talked about maybe it is another way of doing that so if it is part of the changeable covers maybe they can choose a different texture a spongy one or a soft one or something like that so they can choose that as they want to yeah that is a very good idea to fit in with their decor and their living room or just what they like the sports team or whatever and yeah still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so functionality the way the mobile phones work the way the keypad looks also just the way that a lot of industrial designers go on into mobile phones at the moment the big selling items people put a lot of thought into that so we can leverage off that and we can start using some of their ideas back to technological innovation not quite as important but still a big issue we talked about having a way of finding the remote control of it has been lost that is one thing we could look at there are other aspects like lcd screens and speech recognition which were not i do not think my personal opinion going to be worth the extra expense and the extra effort that will go into them i think we are better doing something basically like this which is very important and very would be a really cool feature to put in easy to use i had no real specific ideas for this maybe just the basic idea of having your core functions big and at the top maybe by themselves yeah so maybe matthew can give more information the final details the buttons you do not use as much either hidden away or completely separate ola and that is the presentation okay good very clear yeah very clear so does anyone have any comments or ideas on that i think maybe we yes well we can decide later on the look and feel of it was a good idea maybe to to let the people choose yes there are changeable covers but on the other hand i do not know whether my superiors would would be so glad with it because you have to introduce a complete new line of supplies it would be very complicated organizational well we are selling so many units of this this is going to be mass marketed product we can afford to have 2 or 3 different designs at least a range of a set of 34 different aspects and of course it will be we we get a it works we can get after sales that would be very good those covers could go for €35 it is a very good idea and then maybe we can go at matthew is presentation because yeah then we could discuss later like we can put all the ideas together together in the detail yes you might have some information on it is easy to use yeah and your part is very related to mine yeah when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside i will go with that actually okay okay so so so the idea of having a remote is generally you have different keys and different structures different forms and they could be like buttons or like triangle and they could be of varying sizes if you want to to basically emphasize a particular key more than another and maybe like you can have different colors for example having the red for the on off switching on and off the button so this is a general trend to the method they do so what i have found was that conventionally they are mostly they are mostly that the tvvcr music system operated ones actually and they are very specific to each other but there are some common keys for example if you want to forward a vcr and if you want to forward a strong track on the see they have a common thing actually you can have and there is also speech recognition to store channel information names like you can basically if you have a multiple functionality say tv vcr or something i say to the tv and they take the functionality tv and you can program the keys if you want to certain keys are even the channel information i like the idea though having speech recognition for like the name of a channel like bbc run have to remember the number of it on the keypad that is a good idea yeah so you you can just because as more and more channels come then you have more and more problems to remember the exact channel numbers yeah exactly even if you arrange it by however you arrange it you still have the problem to remember exactly yeah i am not that so what functionalities do you suggest for that so it is like it should be limited one in the present market i saw that says something like they are looking for 80 word thing 80 word we should not be that difficult to implement like 80200 but basically you do not want to store all the channels in the remote control you want to store your favorite channel yeah some 10 12 channel information you know you do not want to store all the 100 channel information into that and basically it depends like the remote with the lcd display for browsing because you have multiple functionalities for example you are watching a movie and you are having a universal remote control and you do not know really which functionality is my reporting now so i am using the tv so every time i use it it could be like for example i can use a simple toggle switch and a display so i press it so the display says okay i am in tv or dvd or whatever it is instead of having 3 keys separately for 4 keys tomorrow the functionalities will increase actually for you and you might want you do not want separate keys for all of them you can and well there can be children friendly where you can program your remote so that they are not allowed to browse certain channels which you can blog them and you can operate them so these are the things presently which are seen in the market market scenario so present i personally would look at things like having a universal remote is a good idea like instead of having a individual ones for all of them you can think of having with multiple functionality possibly with speech recognition i got a mail from the the coffee machine interface unit that they have integrated the speech recognition into the coffee machine so if you say hello coffee machine it is the high joe or something like that you know the coffee machine there is not too many words they will be using with that yeah you are not using it so it is a limited vocabulary thing and maybe isolated word it is interesting and basically storing the channel through voice or other ways of programming your keys on the display for the browsing which is again and maybe having something like a blinking thing like it could indicate your it could indicate what is called like the whether you you have in a battery in your in your remote yeah the blinking at the same time if it is a dark room it can be use to locate the remote also i really are and you want okay for coming back to one point you want to let the user programming the keys some of them yeah you can let them to do that and is not that too difficult for the we will not i do not know if we still want the rc to be easy to use that is the good compromise no but if you give it depends on the easiness like the user how much effort he can put like for example i would like to store in a certain way so if you want to give the full freedom to the user or you want to keep some constraints and let the user use it with the constraint i think you can do it both ways you can have it so it is easy they can pick it up and use it straight away without doing anything without customizing it or if they want to they have the option of using these extra features yeah but maybe you can give a hint to us because i am not sure whether that we can implement that for €1250 i am sorry to have every time i have to come down on this price again so this might be a little limiting for your creativity but it is real we have to consider it so do you think these ideas and my speech recognition maybe it is possible for €12 €12 then it will be at cost of other functionality we might implement like the the the the very case of the yeah like i would say that for programming keys you said it could be easily done within the the package of €12 yeah but for the the asr system i am not sure if it is feasible to have this well we can still look at we can talk with the coffee unit and you can check how much if it is a low vocabulary it is already implemented and how much it costs maybe we can come ship we can talk to them and we can come with that you know and also well you can think of having a since you have a you know in your self remote and maybe if you add a little bit of even display you may need to check keep checking the battery so you need some kind of indicator so it could be a blinking option of led it could actually be used to detect also if it is in a dark room you can basically detect it also yeah so not the idea to be able to use the remote in the dark so either having the buttons so you can feel the difference between them or they know actually if it is like you know it tells you it can be for 2 purposes like if you have an lcd discreet and all those things it is not going to be the standard remote which is having we need just 66 volt sorry 3 volts dc it may need more actually so you may need to check your battery usage it and then you need that some functionality to indicate the battery limit and then if the battery limit is indicated if it could be indicated to a blinking something and it can change the color depending on your how much is the battery that is good enough to even locate even if you want to you know okay good yeah so i do not know if i have time to talk about the yes you have time some more yeah yes yes you can still sure you can you know okay so what i am going to present here is very basic knowledge about the components that are inside rc and how is it manufactured what is the process to explain you so the method is there is a set of components in a remote control like everywhere and what cost the components in themselves do not cost a lot but the way to assemble everything costs obviously and i will show you my preferences at the end so there are 2 different types of different ways of using the components for making a remote control the basic way is to use an integrated circuit and some transistors with the interneighors that aims at communicating the message and to send the message to the lead that will transmit to the receiver and either the components and the circuit board boring buttons and for lead etc for the components so it is not in finding just to say that the chip can detect when a key is pressed and then it translates to the key to a sequence something like morse code as you know with a different sequence for each key and that is with the components we will use we will have different messages different sequences and the chip sends that signal to the transistor that that is amplify to make it stronger so electronic parts are assembled onto printed boards because it is easier to mass produce and assemble and so i think for our design we want some programmable you know vlsi or fpga high technology and this is important and so we use like in any high tech devices cheap of fiberglass to solve them and connect them so my personal design we need to find a solution what is the material of the cover we want to use if it is plastic or you said that you had some ideas like food veg or well maybe yes maybe we can give the the case a very normal very normal case but yes with a changeable covers to fancy it up so like a normal cheap plastic case which can be covered up in for instance a wooden case i am yeah like they do with cars i think inside the car yeah so they also emailed me that they have available a bunch of different buttons scroll wheels integrated push buttons such as a modeled computer mouse and very cheap lcd displays so i am wondering i think we might be able to integrate lcd into our rc and the final point okay is we have yeah there are some compromise to do so we have to know that the push button requires a simple chip but the score will and that kind of higher high tech stuff needs more money which is a higher price range right and the display requires an advanced chip which in turn is more expensive the regular chip but i think with €12 and if it is made for 4000000 items then i think we could be able to under that so to to sum up we need up we need yeah so i just said that the components the list of components has to be listed and and assembly is an important process that has to be taken into account and for the designing of the cover layout then it is better to maybe see that with the ui expert so that we can it is really a team working so i cannot design something without your agreement right so of course for example i wanted to know like like if you want to have a for if you want to have the lcd display over there or if you want to store the programs with the keys what kind of things you need inside your thing inside what it is kind of simple fpga programmable device and we have to insert i think we could insert one that could handle several functions okay so in that case you can even look at the technology what the mobile phone is trying to use with the pga card exactly yeah for customizing with them actually okay how cost effective it would be to put that car chip into it and do the programmable things so i think we should come to some decisions now about this so i understand when we want to display we need a display we need a display we need an expensive chip but when we want the scrolling wheel we also need the expensive chip so can we use change chip so with one expensive chip we can implement several complicated or advanced few chips exactly yeah that is a very good idea we could have one main chip that could handle it is called fpga chip that could handle both like scroll rolling wheels as well as lcd and yeah so when the more expensive chip you mentioned there is possible in the in a given budget maybe we should go for for the more expensive chip so all features which you mentioned can be implemented based on the same chip yes do you think that is feasible i do not know if it will fit into our cost of you think it is possible is it possible to fit in yeah i was thinking both if we had a budget of €20 it will be okay but maybe we need specific costings then actually do maybe 2 designs and then cost them out and see which one is going to fit in our budget better yeah that is an excellent idea when you make a design you can next meeting you can give in quite an exact cost price yeah because right now i do not have the price in head but for next meeting i am sure yeah we are able to yeah that is that is something which i wanted to ask you also like what will be the each inventory the cost of it yeah for example if you want to put wood i would not suggest for wood okay i think it is much easier to use a plastic i agree on that rather than a wood it will be much much expensive though it is the most natural thing but yes but i think i think we can just use more sea plastic for kind of basic addition yeah and people can fancy it up with with more expensive materials which we can give the preference to them but it is but with plastic or the rubber what it is it is much better with that where is that going for do you agree yeah but it is a detailed yeah plastic versus wood and we need maybe to center our discussion on the really what buttons what functionality we want to offer to the user and maybe with graphs i do not know as a user interface designer you could maybe help us i will press on that i think for next meeting we you 2 can present a real design okay so drawing is on the board perfect yeah and then we now only have to decide the general function so let us say next meeting you produce 2 designs signs yeah sure 11 less advanced and one more advanced than with the cost price furthermore we go for the for the basic plastic case which can be later fancied up with with additional how do you call them this like like mobile telephones you can put a cover over it yeah but that that that can be done later yeah now can concentrate on the on the basic remote control okay we can give them smooth keys you know smooth keys with bigger as so that you know the problem most of the time you see in the keys is that it is small and every time you have to be very but if we go to a different way of designing those keys then you can merge them together so is there any days that you are looking at particular or is that you can actually for example if you see they are they are quite small over here and now you can for example as i was telling you make them big it may change the look of the thing also to the people at the same time it is more like it would be more interesting for people who are having this rsi and all this problem yes big keys may better shoot for them actually and i agree yeah and not too many keys of course no no well one i have had before a remote control we have at home is one has actually got a cover on the bottom so the bottom bit is just covers half the keys most of the time and you can slide the cover back to get to the more advanced keys yeah but then you have still when you do not use it you have such an extent of your remote control which you do not use so maybe it is possible i do not know whether you can indicate this that you can as to where open your remote control and on the inside are buttons you do not use that much i have seen that before too another like the it flips up and then you got another lower button underneath yeah so it is something like this the model here where you can put the keys i have seen also with keys and buttons on the top of here as well that is what i mean so i mean something like a book i like this one i like the shape of this one yeah can we have can we think about maybe having a non rectangular one so it is not just a straight little box it is a maybe curved or something maybe we need to also to make a decision on how big we want to be and how many buttons like we should is this for the next week no i think we might be out of time out of time for this meeting yeah next meeting we should be just make 2 designs yeah that will turn upon a section and then we can decide between those designs yeah okay perfectly so anyone any questions no no no i do not have so is there anything else i need to do from a marketing point of view for the next meeting yes i come to that maybe it would be interesting if you could look at for the cost inventories of other devices if you are using speech recognition or something like that yes well maybe i do not know whether this is possible maybe you can start evaluating their work somehow okay or is this me designing a way to evaluate it so thinking about how to set up test groups and things i do not know whether that is possible in a given time but as far as possible okay so you 2 will be together working on 2 prototypes yeah and further instructions will be sent to you by even 2 or 3 prototypes 2 one for like cost and the one is like higher end so that and then we can be easily comparing them you know find a compromise you know find a compromise between both of them yeah okay perfect yeah okay let us go this tune in okay thanks guys thanks so we are done for now i have to this here i have to do thank you" ]

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[ "good morning flores g good morning marketing expert 0 yeah right are you ready you should put the laptop right into the square for the cameras for i for the cameras yes alright good morning sebastian good morning mister p m i am fine how are you today how was your business trip to boston well actually i did not go did not feel like it geez so do you want to open it as read only i guess i should close it here you have the same message of windows cannot senator 0 stand by okay close the the window okay the waiting is for our marketing expert ruud so that is right ruud project kick off is there a schedule for this meeting yes there is actually i will li list the agenda for today for this meeting good morning ruud good morning it is important yeah great i shall close the door it is important that the laptops are exactly on the square for the cameras okay okay we are here to develop a new product i am sure you have had a mail from our account manager about it and this is the 1st meeting to to generate some some ideas about it you are here in a specific role ruud is here as the marketing expert roo is here as the user interface designer and sebastian is here in the role of industrial designer is that correct that is correct okay we are going to do a little tool training for the tools we are going to use during the meetings we are going to have here then i will tell you a little bit about my idea of the project plan and we will have a discussion this meeting should take no more than 25 minutes so we should keep that in mind alright okay is there any room for a little presentation maybe during the discussion section there is yeah there is okay no problem okay this new product we are are g are going to develop it is a remote control a television remote control and 1st of all it should be original it should be trendy and user friendly those are kind of easy goals and i am sure we can find more goals for the for the product we are going to develop we will discuss later on more ideas about how the remote should look and how it sh it should function and all those kind of things okay the market we should have a look at the market we are going to use a a pred a project method during this development which consists of 3 different design stages the functional design the conceptual design and the detailed design all of these stages mean that we do some individual work prepare and then meet to discuss our the the the progressions yes progressions the 1st stage the functional design we are going to search for the user requirements and we will make a specific specification of that the 2nd is the technical functional design what effect should the remote have well in this case control t the the television i think it is for the vision yeah and the last one is the working design how exactly does it work in the technical sense the other design stages we will discuss that later so we will kop it keep it with the functional design okay before we think about remote control we will work with some of the tools we have here as you see now i can give a presentation it is also possible to use this one as well you can display pr 2 presentations if you want to to presentate to show us a file you will need to place it in your project documents folder which is on your desktop at least it should be then we have this electronic white board system yeah i will show that now you can draw on the board using this pen there are little sensors so do not grab it here but a lit more a little bit more to the to the end sensors well it it is on the eraser now so we click the pen button okay so not too fast writing you can insert a new slide or or white board file by either using the insert function or by clicking the next button or the blank button it is quite the same all our whi smartboard notes should be kept in the same file so do not m make a new file just use this one during the day you can use the eraser to make something go away but we all use the same white board file yes so we can work together on it while we are or should we only use it in the in the meetings yeah yeah in the meetings only in the meetings yeah okay it is really like like a regu regular whiteboard yeah alright yep you can choose the format sorry let me see well i guess it is maybe because i am not s pen selected yep current color you can choose another color and for example black and you c i can choose the line width so now i d have a different line width and color okay quite easy if you do have any questions just c ask me to 0 well i am i wrote down the documents should be in the project documents folder if you want to discuss it with us as a little training i will ask ruud 1st to draw your own animal on a new slide with a different color and a different line width than the one now selected okay green an animal okay a wee rabbit it is a bunny a rabbit alright okay well great roo could you do the same please but of course flores but a different animal with a different color and a different line width blank sebastian is thinking about the animal i am just guessing what should be my favorite animal okay yeah i am think about it too format well it looked more than a bunny than a cat but it works right well i will give it a try yeah it it should be a cat okay i am guessing a horse very good with a very small legs i was very good in drawing you should feed that that animal well i guess you get the idea yes okay beautiful beautiful okay so you can use this at any time during the presentation if you want to any questions well just just let me know okay back to our project the remote control we are going to develop will have a selling price of about €25 the profit we are looking for for this product is €50000000 which is quite a number we we will focus this internationally so the product will be sold if there is market interest in in more than one country and the production costs should not be more than €12 50 so we should keep that in mind by w w during the development because well those are important numbers then the discussion maybe the time for sebastian to show his presentation yes i have some technical issues which i would like to present to you before we start the discussion because there might be some influations influences limitations okay okay okay okay great okay 1st about my role role of the industrial designer i would like to think about the implementation of of things and the technical possibilities and impossibilities so if someone of you comes up with ideas i will try to translate them in technical functions but there might be some impossibilities so that is one i also will propose some some implementations for that but well these are quite the same sorry about that and i also will remind people of some new technical possibilities which are available and which might be interesting to implement in our product okay i have some initial ideas about some things which are maybe nice to take with you in the upcoming discussion one thing about interopera operability i think a modern remote control should control a device diverse subset of equipment for instance d v d players cell phones video and audio equipment so one re one remote control for all your equipment and for a cell phone well there should be some interoperabi interoperability between them yeah okay yeah i think it could come in handy we should discuss that and we should think about the way how these things should communicate with each other we are not living in the 1980s anymore so infrared is not is not really hot technical stuff anymore but you should think about the things like bluetooth but yeah but the infrared it is well a little bit old fashioned if you would call it like that but it is cost effective but all the t v s are equipped with infrared so yes y you you can well not all not all so that is the point most of them so or you shou sh use a you should equip infrared and bluetooth together in one remote maybe but that is something we should discuss and about every everybody should think about it yeah so that is just my role i will just give you everybody some technical input and i think now the time is to have a little discussion about what the product should be and how it should look yeah but take these things into account when you start the discussion okay so the the main por the main points you are telling us are focus on the inter operability and yes so one thing one remote control should control one or more pieces of equipment and the way of communicating with these equipments okay and and okay okay good okay that was your presentation that is it okay okay okay great i will go back to my own presentation okay i i do think it is time now to to discuss some things sebastian told us a few things about the technical implemen implications there are other things like how to make it trendy which is i think most ru ruud is role the way how it should be controlled by the user which is roo r during this part so let us start with you h how do you think the remote should function for the user well i had a few things in mind well the interoperability just like sebastian said the remote should work on different t v s or even different yeah what is it devices yep so i i i think it is a universal remote control for customers to buy just new in a store yes i think it should be something like that it is not for for for philips or whatever to buy our remote for their own product right okay so we are we are going business to consumer not we are we are it is not a yeah i do i do not know that it is no i have do not have the information for it we are not developing this product for a specific vendor are we no no we are just developing this product and we want to sell it to a very broad public so it should fit to every device no no okay yeah yeah ruud y do you agree yeah i think i think they are right yeah okay okay well the techni fu technical function what you said is just by pressing the button you should change the state of the t v that is just the basic f technical function yeah so that was my really my part for this session so is that ease of use or is that more like yeah well that is just the fu the technical function is pure what should the remote control do wh what is his task as an as an device it just should change the t v is state okay so that is it but furthermore and you you see the buttons as a as a means of doing this yeah or are there any 0 other controls yeah with buttons are there only any other cont yeah or maybe you want a touch screen or well i i have seen these remote controls with this little stick which you can move forward sidewords but yeah huh you know these things and it is very easy for a user to to switch w yes they are very vu vulnerable yeah to to switch b between channels or change between tracks on a on a c d on on a chapters you know on a d v d player so maybe that is an idea i do not know yeah and for other user interface i had well it is more industrial thing point at a t v i think it is it is quite disturbing when you always have to point directly to the t v so you must point everywhere so maybe infrared is okay maybe not even pointed yeah just do not even point it so in that case infrared should maybe be restriction to that yeah okay is that are there restriction for the range the operating range too so when you are not able to point at the device the range is very limited yeah if you g if you go to radio or or yeah for t v you are always in in the neighborhood of a t v so i do not think think the range should be a problem to that but if you want to get it working with a radio and you are in outside your garden with just one speaker then maybe the range should be okay okay gentlemen just a reminder we d we have 5 minutes left for this meeting okay but okay yeah 2 more things you should able to feel the buttons without it mis you have to know what you do without looking at the buttons so it should be as user interface for feeling should be good to understand you must feel the buttons for volume or whatever i think okay s yeah yeah and of course you do not always know where all buttons are so it should be visible al in dark too so when it is dark okay those are 2 really user interface i will write down glow in the dark yeah that is perfect is tha okay okay okay i just want to hear ruud is input for this meeting do do you do you have anything already w ab idea about how the market will respond to the such a product or what we should take in account when developing such a product i think most most things have already been said like control multiple devices and yeah infrared might be an issue because well he said about n abo what he said about pointing but lots of devices already use infrared so we will probably have to implement that okay okay okay sebastian did you have any other ideas well yes i had about 3 minutes ago but i have seem to forget them forgot them 0 yes i remember you said something about visibility in the dark yeah would it be nice for a user to have display on this remote control on which you can see functions which makes it easier to operate it yeah well maybe i but it it can be quite simple you can just have white buttons with a black mark on it i i do not know okay the the the digits in black then it is already visible in dark okay so it it do not have to be a lightning or or a fancy well it can be for design of course okay okay yeah yeah okay because because we wa we want to develop a trendy product yes but there is a cost limitation too so well that is more yeah €12 50 yeah yeah so that is a big problem i think i think the the financial part of this project implicates that it is not going to be a high high end product the cost price is very low okay just remind something the digits of the the painting on the buttons should not fade okay okay okay you have a m very good point yeah always have s the soft buttons always clear the the the paint on it the marks okay okay i ha i have one point f which which comes in mind now d i think the device should either be rechargeable very easily or it should not consume too much power okay because it is very annoying if you need to change the batteries every s every other week yeah okay so maybe we could for example only light the buttons that are applicable at that moment or yeah but necessary yeah i dunno it is that is more sebastian is yeah but then bluetooth might be problem cause i think bluetooth it is use a lot of well well cell phones have integrated bluetooth also and well it is it seems to work quite okay yeah i know it from the cell phone well does it i am not sure yeah so technically it will be possible but you can not you can not use bluetooth all the time 24 hours a day no you cannot okay does it gentlemen i am afraid we do not have any more time it is over okay okay so we will go back to our own work next meeting starts in 30 minutes and well you know your 0 your individual actions or your personal coach will probably email you about th it so this was it okay see you in 30 minutes great" ]

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[ "good morning flores marketing experts are you ready you should put the laptop right into the square for the cameras yes good morning sebastian good morning mister p n how are you today i am fine how was your business trip to boston well actually i did not go did not feel like it so do you want to open it as read only i guess i should close it here you have the same message of windows canal yeah but i was the type like a blighter 0 standby close the window okay the waiting is for our marketing expert root project kick off is there a schedule for this meeting yes there is actually i will this is the agenda for today for this meeting good morning ruth it is important i shall close the door yeah great it is important that the laptops are exactly on the square for the cameras okay okay we are here to develop a new product i am sure you have had a mail from our account manager about it and this is the 1st meeting to generate some ideas about it you are here in a specific role rute is here as the marketing expert ruh is here as the user interface designer and sebastian is here in the role of industrial designer is that correct that is correct okay we are going to do a little tool training for the tools we are going to use during the meetings we are going to have here then i will tell you a little bit about my idea of the project plan and we will have a discussion this meeting should take no more than 25 minutes so we should keep that in mind is there any room for a little presentation maybe during the discussion there is yeah there is okay no problem okay this new product we are going to develop it is a remote control a television remote control and 1st of all it should be original it should be trendy and user friendly those are kind of easy goals goals and i am sure we can find more goals for the product we are going to develop we will discuss later on more ideas about how the remote should look and how it should function and all those kind of things the market we should have a look at the market we are going to use a project method during this development which consists of 3 different design stages the functional design the conceptual design and the detailed design all of these stages mean that we do some individual work prepare and then meet to discuss our the for the ring the progressions yes the 1st stage the functional design we are going to search for the user requirements and we will make a specification of that the 2nd is the technical functional design what effect should the remote have well in this case control the television i think and the last one is the working design how exactly does it work in the technical sense the other design stages we will discuss that later so we will keep it with the functional design okay before we think about remote control we will work with some of the tools we have here as you see now i can give a presentation it is also possible to use this one as well you can display 2 presentations as you want to want to to presentate to show us a file you will need to place it in your project documents folder which is on your desktop at least it should be then we have this electronic whiteboard system yeah i will show that now you can draw on the board using this there are little sensors so do not grab it here with a little bit more to the end it is on the eraser now so we click the pen button okay so not too fast writing you can insert a new slide or whiteboard file by either using the insert function or by clicking the next button or the blank button it is quite the same all our smart board notes should be kept in the same file so do not make a new file just use this one during the day you can use the eraser to make something go away but we all use the same whiteboard file yes so we can work together on it while we are i should only use it in the meetings in the meetings only in the meetings it is really like the regular whiteboard you can choose the format you can choose the format sorry let me see current color i guess it is maybe because i am not been selected current color you can choose another color and for example black and you can choose the line width and so now i have a different line width and a color quite easy if you do have any questions just ask me to 0 well i wrote down the documents should be in the project documents folder if you want to discuss it with us as a little training i will ask ruud 1st to draw your own animal on a new slide with a different color and a different line width than the one now selected an animal okay okay it is a bunny a rabbit a rabbit okay well great ruhl could you do the same please of course but a different animal with a different color and a different line width sebastian is thinking about the animal i am just guessing what should be my favorite animal yeah i am thinking about it too format well it well it looked more than a bunny well it looked more than a bunny than a cat but it should be a cat i will give a try i am guessing a horse very good with a very small legs i am not very good in drawing you should feed that animal well i guess you get the idea yes okay beautiful beautiful okay so you can use this at any time during the presentation if you want to any questions well just let me know okay back to our project the remote control we are going to develop will have a selling price of about €25 the profit we are looking for for this product is €50000000 which is quite a number we will focus us internationally so the product will be sold if there is if there is market interest in more than one country and the production costs should not be more than €12 50 so we should keep that in mind during the development because well those are important numbers then the discussion maybe the time for sebastian to show his presentation yes i have some technical issues which i would like to present to you before we start the discussion because there might be some limitations okay okay great okay 1st about my role the role of the industrial designer i would like to think about the implementation of things and the technical possibilities and impossibilities so if someone of you comes up with ideas i will try to translate them in technical functions but there might be some impossible possibilities so that is one i also will propose some some implementations for that but well these are quite the same sorry about that and i also will remind people of some new technical possibilities which are available and which might be interesting to implement in our product i have some initial ideas about some things which are maybe nice to take with you in the upcoming discussion one thing about interoperability i think modern remote control should control a diverse subset of equipment for instance dvd players cell phones video and audio equipment so one remote control for all your equipment your equipment for a cell phone well there should be some intropability between them i think it can come in handy we should discuss that and we should think about the way how these things should communicate with each other we are not living in the 1980s anymore so infrared is not really hard technical stuff anymore but you should think about things like bluetooth yeah but the infrared is well a little bit old fashioned if you were called that but all the fees are equipped with infrared so well you can not all not all so that is the point most of them or you should equip infrared and bluetooth together maybe but that is something we should discuss and about everybody should think about it so that is just my role i will just give you everybody some technical input and i think now the time is to have a little discussion about what the product should be and how it should look but take these things into account when you start the discussion okay so the main points you are telling us are focused on the interoperability yes so one thing one remote control should control one or more pieces of equipment okay and the way of communicating with these equipment okay okay good okay that was your presentation it is it okay okay okay great i will go back to my own presentation okay okay it is time now to discuss some things sebastian told us a few things about the technical implications there are other things like how to make it trendy which is i think most roots role the way how it should be controlled by the user which is rule during this part so let us start with you how do you think the remote should function for the user well i had a few things in mind well the interoperability just like sebastian said the remote should work on different tvs or even different devices i think it is a universal remote control for customers to buy just in a store yes i think it should be something like it it is not for philips or whatever to buy our remote for their own product right okay so we are going business to consumer it is not a yeah i do not know we are not developing this product for a specific vendor no no and we want to set it to a very broad public so you should fit to every device rut do you agree okay okay well the technical function what you said is just by pressing the button you should change the state of the tv that is just the basic technical function so that was really my part for this session so is that easy view so is that ease of use or is that more like well that is just the technical function is pure what should the remote control do what is his task as a device it just should change the tvs okay so that is it you see the buttons as a means of doing this or are there any other controls yeah with buttons or maybe you want a touchscreen or well i have seen these remote controls with this little stick which you can move forward sidewards and it is very easy for a user to switch yes to switch between channels or change between tracks on a cd on chapters on a dvd player so maybe that is an id i do not know for other user interface i had well it is more industrial i think pointing at the tv i think it is quite disturbing when you always have to point directly to the tv so you must point it everywhere so maybe infrared maybe not even point it yeah just do not even point it so in that case infrared should maybe be a restriction to that okay and is that the restriction for the range the operating range too so when you are not able to point at the device yeah if you are range if you go to radio or for tv you are always in the neighborhood of a tv so i do not think the range should be a problem to that but if you want to get it working with a radio and you are outside your garden with just one speaker then maybe the range should be okay gentlemen just to remind we have 5 minutes left for this meeting 2 more things okay you are able to feel the buttons without you have to know what you do without looking at the buttons so it should be as user interface for feeling should be good to understand you must feel the buttons for volume or whatever i think and of course you do not always know where all buttons are should be visible in dark too so in the dark those are 2 really use interface i will write down glow in the dark yeah that is perfect ok ok i just want to hear ruud is input for this meeting do you have anything already idea about how the market will respond to such a product or what we should take in account when developing such a product i think most things have already been said like control multiple devices and infrared might be an issue because well he said about pointing but there are lots of devices already use infrared so we will probably have to implement that okay okay okay sebastian did you have any other ideas well yes i had about 3 months ago but i seem to forget them 0 yes i remember you said something about visibility in the dark would it be nice for a user to have a display on this remote control on which you can see functions which makes it easier to operate yeah well maybe i but it can be quite simple you can just have white buttons with a black mark on it the digits in black then it is already visible in dark okay so it do not have to be lightning or fancy well it can be for design yeah okay because we want to develop a trendy product yes so there is a cost limitation too yeah €12 50 so that is a big problem i think i think the financial part of this project implicates that it is not going to be a high end product the cost price is very low just remind something the digits of the painting on the buttons should not fade okay very good point always have the soft buttons always clear the paint on it the market okay i have one point which which comes in mind now i think the device should either be rechargeable very easily okay or should not consume too much power because it is very annoying if you need to change the batteries every every other week so maybe we could for example only light the buttons that are applicable at that moment or yeah i do not know so that is more sebastian is but then bluetooth might be a problem but i think bluetooth has used a lot of yeah well does it i am not sure i all cell phones have integrated bluetooth also and well it seems to work quite okay yeah so but you can use bluetooth all the time 24 hours a day okay gentlemen it is over i am afraid we do not have any more time so we will go back to our own work next meeting starts in 30 minutes and well you know your individual actions or your personal coach will probably email you about it so this was it okay see you in 30 minutes great i am" ]

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[ "can you just remind me i do not have to tick the no n okay thing until i finish writing but it is only if i go back to it i tick okay again yeah yep so if you have if you are back to a page then you tick it again to leave it for the 2nd time so if i am working 0 if i have done a page i am on the 2nd page i tick it so i finish that page and i go back to this i can just write and then not tick until i finish writing again yeah so it is always after n you never have to it before yeah fine fine okay i do not believe all this stuff it is just amazing and you can go on both sides as well okay yeah right where should we start well i think the 1st thing is what have we got well the 1st thing i think is we need to sort out the call for abstracts or the c the call for titles because i think that is kind of overdue right yeah so i volunteer to do that if you like okay fine yeah right yep so and i will do that by trying to think what is it thursday today i will d i will do that by the end of the week anyway so and you are going to was it your idea to stick the bit in it where you say you know you are we are inviting like from quite a wide audience we give priority to linguists yeah we are going to do that but i think we should s probably send out separate calls okay so we will send one but were not men i mean we could mention the fact that we are inviting other people but i think it will probably just i mean it probably will not matter too much to the other linguists that we are having other people there we can mention it but it is not going to be too essential and we might actually just end up making them worry that you know they are going to lose their place or whatever because i do not know yeah yeah i thi separate course is good idea that is but we do we do have to decide a priority thing so that is something else we can look at a little bit later down the line so so that is the one for ling basically and i will send that out i will do that today or tomorrow now claire that is the other thing she can deal with the psychology psychology people probably that is i reckon it is the best thing to do cause she will know which email address to use and and everything else so if one of us could email claire yeah is it was that a volunteering yeah or great okay yeah so if robert yeah yeah when in doubt so i if robert emails claire and we are n going to need to decide exactly what she is going to say on there we might need to just remind her of the dates in case she does not know so she gets the dates right yeah and she is i know she already knows that it is just anyone doing psycho linguistics basically so that is fine and that should kinda take care of itself as well if she just sends one round around to everyone then only the psycho linguists will say what was for me yeah yeah exactly exactly but then there is the rest of p p l s and i think we need to decide whether right but the the text for the actual call is she going to re work something or she should i think she should just i think she should just write her own probably and i think she might be glad to see kinda there linguistics to adapt okay so what we will do i mean the thing is the the main call will go out before she has got round to it anyway that is always quite helpful so what i will do is i will copy it yep i will c c her on the i mean cause i can not imagine there would be an essential difference really between the no they will not be i just th the only thing i am thinking is i want to make sure that it stands out as something applicable to them that they do not go 0 we are just getting rubbish from y you know what i mean right yeah yeah yeah i want them to really know that it is addressed to them and the good thing about claire sending it is she is probably got a psych email address as well and it it might look a bit more relevant to them ab not certain anyway yeah exactly they know her that is that thing they know her et cetera so yeah so if if we have s if i have c c ed the original one then you can tell her that that can be the basis for the basis for her email but just make sure that they know it is relevant to them et cetera and obviously in p p l s we have also got english language now in a way we could send out that 1st call to them just as part of the same email because i think they are more likely to think it was relevant to them i do not really know i do not really know what you think about that but i think we definitely should open it up to english language i think particularly at the moment cause they are really trying to sort of merge us into one subject area yeah even though it should be meaningless because we are all part of a school i think that it does actually make a difference and so i think we should invite them but then we have still got the problem of a priority issue so you know probably what i was thinking is certainly 2nd and 3rd years absolutely need to be top on top priority but then there is a kind of awkward question of where we put 1st years because they do not need to if they want to should they have priority this is a kind of lower point but it kind of it crosses over with deciding what we are going to do when we well do we have a d an idea of how many people were going to actually have at the whole thing any kind of because then it because seems to me it could be quite obvious well i do not think so then we just subtract the number of 2nd and 3rd year students and then everything else is just i would i would favor doing it just on a 1st come 1st serve basis yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay i w well let us send out the call as soon as possible see what reactions we get and then okay but i mean if we are like so mean we were going to do this thing for i can not even remember was it 2 or 3 days see if we have to put on some restraints it is 3 days okay and so how many how many posters and talks are we going to actually going to get in right the they were 2020 minute talks with 10 minute question time okay let us see and you can run 2 in a row but probably not up to 3 up to 3 but do not exaggerate yeah 2 what do you think 2 in a row or 3 in a row if you do 2 in a row then that is an hour is not it yeah and then give it a 20 minute break perhaps yeah or i mean the thing is every time we have a break there is a question of whether we actually serve coffee and biscuits and things yeah because that is the kinda normal thing to do i am thinking if we go for say i am thinking slots of one5 hour each so 3 lectures each that would be 3 per day times 3 will be 27 so are you saying have say 3 sessions in a row and then do that twice in the morning and twice in the afternoon so that would be 6 hours once in the morning twice in the afternoon 0 so just have an hour and a half in the morning yeah i mean or twice in the morning once in the afternoon cause i mean would 6 hours a day be pushing it not necessarily because i mean the good think is n would we get that many people wanting to give talks well i suppose what we can do is think about the structure now and say right what is the maximum we can do so i think that is about as much as we could do to have an hour and a half then have a coffee break then have an hour and a half then have lunch hour and a half coffee break hour and a half and so that would be 18 hours of talks overall would not it but what do we say so it is th so it is 1236 talks is that right maximum 36 okay let us just put this down how many 2nd and 3rd year students are there well i could look cause i i have got that there is the list is not there of post graduates i maintain in in linguistics there are probably about 30 on there right okay but a good number of them are 1st years and i do not know i mean just to get an idea are you planning on talking no no are you planning robert no and i am probably not so there is a good chance that almost none of the 1st years are going to volunteer so if we had say 20 linguistics and even then i mean there are quite a few people who are abroad and who will not bother to turn up or can not make it or whatever so you know it might be that we only get say 15 anyway and then we could be left with 15 blocks for the rest of p p l s so at least we know that that we have got an absolute limit of about 36 talks yeah yeah we are also going to be having posters are not we and i should imagine that most people would rather do a poster than give a talk yeah okay and that is that is what the coffee breaks will be for and maybe lunchtimes but coffee breaks are probably more like ab or are going to be a better time because people will hang around whereas people are more likely to go off somewhere for lunch are not they yeah but w would not we want to actually just like dedicate an afternoon or a morning to being a poster session yeah yeah okay yeah that is what i was about to say poster session is a good idea because just the people presenting the posters are there and can say something about it actually there is always the problem again then the people who are presenting the posters do not get around to go and look at others posters yeah yeah yeah but let us see about that but people kinda like generally sort of sort them out themsel that sort that out themselves i mean it is the thing about posters unless you kind of say you know if your name is in the 1st half of the alphabet you can move and the other ones can not yeah so how long should a poster session be like how long will people want to mill around for looking at i would make it a whole morning or a whole afternoon i mean the ju just because like ones that i have been to as well people tend to kinda come and go from them i do not know i mean i i i would say a whole either a whole morning or a whole afternoon at least okay but that is just ju i mean just based on the ones that i have been to so that means we could have 30 talks plus one a m or p m of posters yeah and we could probably get quite a few in there at least 6 anyway at least 6 at least 6 posters if you see what i mean 0 right okay yeah yeah during the session like how many can you have going on at once well that is just kind of dictated by the size of the room really is not it wall space and yeah i mean would we have poster boards or is it just going to be posters on the walls they did it like i ha i should have found this out do we have any information on this are you guys 2nd years or 1st years 1st years you are both 1st year 1st years so n so none of us have been to this before no right i have been to durham post graduate conference and i mean every conference i have ever been to the posters have always been in the coffee break which is why probably because normally they are limited on space and they 0 actually we have a message here from mits about the poster session yeah poster session was introduced in 1999 as part of the main conference in 2000 it was held separately in october the intention was to use it as a way to introduce incoming post grad students to the department is research culture however i did not pursue this idea the following year because the comments i received from students in 2000 were generally discouraging on the other hand i later learned that some students did find the october poster session quite a useful experience my suggestion therefore is to re examine the idea of poster session altogether and find a better way to implement it if there seems to be enough interest in it well i think keeping it along side the conference is possibly one way of maintaining interest and yeah last sentence one possibility is to put it back in the main conference and let people choose between a paper presentation and a poster and yeah i think that is definitely the idea i think the best idea yeah i think so i can imagine it would seem a bit random just have like a poster session and bes yeah just have a p a poster session what would it be at the beginning so i suppose it is it normally 2nd years do it like just after they have come back for the s the 0 you mean w on the october thing that is what it would be i think i thought well it seemed to me that he was saying that everyone would do it ju because its goal was to give the new in take idea of it yeah yeah but i d i do not think he means that it would be the 1st years who have only just arrived would do a poster 0 no no no no yeah yeah that would be a bit odd would not it okay so at least anyone who is feeling yeah exactly but a poster i might do yeah i i might do i d i still th i am little bit doubtful but so that is good anyway so we have got an idea i think there is 30 talks and and say 610 posters whatever we can manage to fit in the room so we need to look at we need to look at where we are going to ho hold it we could have it in b 9 but there is things all over the wall there are those pictures that run all the way around so can we take the pictures down all these dead linguists can we use b 9 for the posters for instance well we should find out if generally they use poster boards if there are some poster boards that we can get ahold of then that is alright okay so poster boards and wha what i will do i will email mits about that okay okay write into the call that we are considering the idea of having a poster session so people can indicate would they prefer to give a poster or a talk yeah okay but the ultimate decision is on our side because we have to see how it does it work out with the poster session okay how does it work out with the talks well what we will do is sa we can just say if you want to do a talk then just say so and if you want to do a poster then say you want to do a poster and we can sort of base it around that yeah yeah and if we get absolutely tons of people wanting to do posters and we do not think there is a you know everyone is kind of done it as a cop out then we might have to sort of say to them well you know would you consider doing a talk instead because particularly the 2nd and 3rd years yeah yeah yeah yep yeah because we need more talks and just you know do it like that yep we could even say something like you know 1st years might want to give a poster or something like that because i do not know maybe that is a bad idea but just throw a general suggestion at them see what happens yeah okay okay so we got some sort of idea of the structure and how many talks we are going to be able to have well the maximum i mean i guess that that will evolve when we get a response from people perhaps i mean w yeah okay but that is fine is not it so we have got 3 days so i have okay so english language we will put on the main call and i will just i i will just kinda market it as an linguistics and english language or something like that i think and is the the other main group then philosophy yes and informatics we could think about it as well 0 yeah so i had a look at whether they do philosophy of a language and logic and stuff here and they kind of do there is about there is about 3 or 4 full time members of staff that list philosophy of language as a major interest i think they do so chances are they are going to have some p h d students that are interested so do we think we should invite them i think i would be surprised if we got sort of 4 out of them i think that would be still yeah amazing if we did so i think it is probably worth i do not think we are going to get inundated with requests yeah so i think it is worth asking them philosophy yeah and do you think inf informatics would i mean i think the informatics are definitely worth asking th there is there is c s t r and h c r c i mean i am thinking that the informatics potentially is quite a big response yes it is yeah might be interesting stuff coming in read something recently about i think somebody is masters project to look in how far english is actu or in how far english is a shaping influence on programming languages 0 right cool yeah it is yeah it would we want to ask them and put some kind of like provisor in to make it specific to sort of preemptively weed out the numbers or should we just say to them 0 you know we are having this thing about language and yeah well it would be nice to that you know if you got something you think about language come to it would be nice it would be nice to do it the thing is we can not afford to bias it towards any particular kind of linguistics in a sense because it is such a because of the way our department is then we are supposed to sort of embrace all kinds yeah yeah in fact even by inviting people from informatics and from or maybe from philosophy and things it might bias it in a particular direction but i do not know it is probably not too bad i i think that i think that between philosophy informatics and psychology you have probably got quite a lot of breadth there anyway the thing is the one thing is the only kind of people doing anything like applied linguistics are the applied linguists themselves and people in sociology with an interest in language and i do not think we would be inviting them but i do not think that is too bad because the 1st thing is there is a good reason for inviting everyone in p p l s because we are in one school and then the fact that we also invite people from the informatics i suppose it is just that we do have pretty strong ties with them and i do not think anyone would be too offended i hope not anyway so yeah so what kind of provisor can we put on i mean we could we could just say outright anyone in their 3rd year or anyone in their 2nd or 3rd year but i do not know or we can just you know t take whatever we get and pick the best between us which is yeah y yeah yeah yeah let us just do that that is seems most straight forward yeah just so so if you just send them a general thing saying the linguistics department is having this conference and would like to invite post graduates from the informatics yeah yeah so yeah so you are going to email claire of yeah so who wants to send something out to informatics i will do that that is fine yeah alright and should i get in touch with philosophy as well yeah sure so yeah so what you want to say is anyone who wants to give a talk on logic or philosophy of language but put a warning that if it is logic then there is a good chance that no one will understand or not that many no one will understand i mean maybe just maybe if you just put yeah just put philosophy of language that is that is probably good yeah or some i mean no you if i just send them a thing saying the linguistics department is is having a postgraduate thing or just or any ph some relevance clause so if you are a philosophy student with you know and your work has got an interest in language then yeah yep yeah that is it yeah yeah that is what you do yeah that i think that is as much as we need to say kind of a relevance clause that is right so you have got to work out how to do that and who to email basically what i was thinking was just sending them your call for papers and ch changing it slightly to say dear philosophy students yeah that is fine that is fine adjust that is what you want to do as long as it is clear from the subject bar that it is relevant to them and that it says somewhere that for philosophy students with an interest in language and and that is it and then between us we will have to have another meeting and and i mean at the same time as we are sorting through all the other titles and and deciding how to divide up the sessions see someone suggested to me that it is actually better to have talks on a similar topic spread out as much as possible which to me just seemed absolutely crazy and the reason she gave me was something to do with taking out like a whole day or a whole afternoon would be quite difficult but i think that balance against the fact that most people want to be able to say well look i can have just this one day off as opposed to when i will need an hour over 3 da you know an hour each day for 3 days yeah it you can end up having to take 3 afternoons or 3 mornings or whatever off so i think in general and also for the sake of the lecturers i think a lot of the time simon kirby has already said to me that anyone any of his students he wants to be on the 1st day on the wednesday right and that is because i shifted it i basically had it on monday tuesday wednesday to begin with and then eve it moved down twice to wednesday thursday friday so wednesday is the only day left that he can make 0 i see right he wants them there because he so he can make it so okay yeah so and the other thing is when we get some calls say we have for instance 3 people supervised by bob ladd then it might be that then we are going to have to contact bob and say bob these 3 of your students are going to be talking presu presumably you want to be there so can you give us a time that would be good for you and then we can put them in a block at one time yeah cause he says yeah okay thursday afternoon i have got completely free yeah and i think so i think we do need to stick everyone together particularly if they have got the same supervisor and it is also good if talks are on the same topic for a whole morning or a whole afternoon because then people will come along and go 0 this morning it is all on phonology or this morning it is all on applied linguistics yeah yeah yeah and then okay as much as possible anyway i think that is so far it is just a general statement of interest what we intend to do what we actually get to do we will see later when we have the stuff yeah now we need if i am going to send out this call we need a deadline for titles so what should we say something like cause we need a deadline for titles and a deadline for abstracts so let us set the the latest deadline the the the the sort of abstracts deadline 1st because we need to have a meeting and that is going to be when all the real work starts yeah yeah so what is the absolute latest i was think i mean maybe the end of 2 weeks ahead of end of march end of march might be okay yeah i am going away for 2 weeks on the 4th of april and then i am coming back just in time for the conference so any organizing at least stuff where i need to be where we need to meet physically has to be done before that yeah and i will be away probably until easter so this actually means we have the week directly after easter between my coming back and you leaving i tell you one thing to get the stuff done it is starting on the wednesday and the 1st day back is tuesday i think i am coming back i am trying to get this right hopefully i will be back in time that we will be able to do something the day before cause i think i am going to be back might even have to come in in the evening but that is not the end of the world but we might have to set some things up like maybe just get the chairs organized or whatever we might actually have to go into the rooms and get things ready and there is going to be other things like getting the technology ready so not only is there a pressure to have talks that are on a similar topic together but also if people need the same kind of computer set up it is good to have them together so we do not have to keep changing it so because i th i think it was cedric has already offered to do whatever we need him to do but he just needs to know in advance what people need so that he can be there and and get it ready for them so i think when people what kinds of things do you think people are actually going to need well hopefully most people will d either have something like powerpoint or they will just have p d f slides or something like hopefully no one will have anything too specialized s sh z in my experience what you usually should have is some kind of what is it over head thingo beamer yeah in some cases we might if it is really tough we might be in need of a of some sound system to play recordings i mean if we do it th has not b 9 got all of that yeah it has got a lot in there should be there yeah but i think it does take a little bit of i mean i think sometimes maybe people need to be in linux rather than windows and so booting in and out adjusting yeah yeah m is sometimes an issue i think but i think what we should say is when i put out this call i will put both deadlines and i think i will say that when you send in your abstract you need to mention that any technology you intend to use so that at least if we have all the information yeah yep so so deadlines okay so let us think about this if if we gave them a whole month or just over a month then that would be okay would not it because we have still got 0 no it would not be okay at all if we gave them the whole month that would give us hardly any time so if we gave them say till mid march that would be good yeah so give them something like give them something like 10 days or whatever to get the title in and then give them a week on top of that to get the actual abstract done and the abstract does not have to be much it is probably only half a side of a 4 or something is not it just enough that we can see whether it is interesting or what kind of area it fits into yeah that is all we really need see ideal ideally i would have liked to have given them a bit longer but i think w nah that will be okay no way anymore okay so unfortunately i do not have a calendar so let us just neither do i you are going to send that pan pen crazy that is true no it is i think it is okay when you are not writing on there so so 310 no it is 28 this this month is not it 234 i could create us another calendar so if we have it like a monday monday the 14th would probably be quite good for the final deadline and then if i send it out tomorrow we will say something like the el or maybe the 4th would be good so give them a w yeah a week for the title and then they would have about 10 days from then to actually get the abstract in for the title deadline yeah does that sound reasonable why not just give them a week to do the abstract i mean i am just thinking about just put it here yeah the 11th a bit earlier so i am saying a week from when i send it out 0 no no no i was s i was saying ju just give them a bit longer to get back with the title say get back with the title by the 7th or do we need 10 days to go from that would be a week anyway yeah that would be a week anyway but you can give them 10 days to you can give them 10 days to get the title yeah or you can give them it depends which way around you want to do it yeah so what is going to take them longer actually to decide what they are going to do and send the title or is it going to be on the basis of the title do they want more time to write the abstract f i think if they are really serious to be a bit late with the title might not be bad because it will help them to so give them the 7th yeah yeah yeah okay so yep so monday the 7th is the title and this presumably will apply across the board like yep and monday the 14th for the abstract and we have got they we have got an email address for them to send all this to have not we or what was it well we we kind of have i d we were given getting access to the to the account blah blah blah blah the only thing is acce is accessing the account they can send it to p g c at ling as long as we can get the wh i will tell you what i will do then yeah yeah yep i will go and see mike th today and and get the password and everything cause we possibly have it but i will just sort that out with him because if we are going to tell everyone to email p g c then we have to make pretty sure that we can actually access the account and that it is operational and stuff cause so far i have just been using my own email address but it would be better it is quite easy to send f from an email address cause you can send from any email address you like it is just the fact that you need to p it is just the fact that when they reply to it you need to be able to access it yeah so i already tried it once and i am sure they gave us a password and i even i even actu yeah 0 well that is it then we have got it all written down no problem that is it so does i i mean it you may already know but the thing is if you want to send this call for abstracts you know when you do the philosophy and and thingy one then if you want to send from p g c then i mean you might already know but you can go f if if you did it from web mail you can just create a new account for yourself and where it sa it actually has a send from address and you can just put p g c at ling dot and just do it that way or depending on your normal email client you might be able to do it but it does not matter too much yeah the the the other thing you could do is have is just fill in the reply to address as p g c depending on what you want to do yeah but that is what i will do i will send it from p g c so if anyone replies it would just go to that account and any of us can access it at any time presumably you can access from web mail or you know or i map or whatever should i take care of the web page yeah if you want to to create a web page and just copy my email into it or something and anything else you might want to do and then later on we can put the the program in yeah yeah cool so okay 0 right yeah no 0 so am i is it 5 t is it almost 2 it is not quite it is p 2 or 3 minutes to not quite but almost 0 my microphone fell off you you got something for 2 have not you yeah right okay so very quickly then can we arrange a new time to have a meeting do you think we need to how long do you think until we need to meet again have we got enough to be getting on with we probably have have not we yeah i mean that is just so i mean maybe m i mean ideally i suppose we will meet again here so we can with melissa and we will just send out an email yeah okay yeah and that that would be cool okay so i mean i will not get in touch with philosophy or i will not send anything to philosophy and informatics till i have got your email cause i will just tell em a modified version of that yep that is fine but i will try and get a good address to send it to alright so that was a note and i am okay i think latest s soon as the call is out yep because then we have the call thing we have that away and look at the boar organisatorial stuff like do we know about chairs tea and stuff alright we are finished okay" ]

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[ "so 1st thing i just can just say that the i would be like to take okay again okay again yeah can you just remind me i do not have to tick the note and okay thing until i finish writing but it is only if i go back to it i tick okay again yeah so if you have if you are back if you are back to a page then you tick it again to leave it for the 2nd time so if i am working if i have done a page i am on the 2nd page i tick it to say i am i finish that page and i go back to it so i can just write and then not tick until i finish writing again yeah so it is always often you never have to do it before fine okay box is unique so when you take the other box it tells the kind of this page 39 okay i do not believe all this stuff it is just amazing and you can go on both sides as well okay yeah right where should we start well i think the 1st thing is what have we got well the 1st thing i think is we need to sort out the the call for abstracts or the call for titles because i think that is kind of overdue right yeah so i volunteer to do that if you like right yeah okay so and i will do that by i think what is it thursday today i will do that by the end of the week anyway and was it your idea to stick the bit in it where you say you know we are inviting like from quite a wide audience when we gave priority to linguists yeah we are going to do that but i think we should probably send out separate calls okay so we will send one that will not i mean we could mention the fact that we are inviting other people but i think it would probably just i mean it it probably will not matter too much to the other linguists that we are having other people there we can mention it but it is not going to be too essential and we might actually just end up making them worry that they are going to lose their place or whatever yeah i do not know separate cause is a good idea but we do have to decide a priority thing so that is something else we can look at a little bit later down the line so so that is the one for ling basically and i will send that out i will do that today or tomorrow now claire that is the other thing she can deal with the psychology psychology people probably that is i reckon that is the best thing to do it because she will know which email address to use and everything else so if one of us could email claire yeah was that a volunteering yeah yeah right yeah when in doubt so if robert emails claire and we are going to need to decide exactly what she is going to say on there we might need to just remind her of the dates okay she does not know yeah she gets the dates right and she is right and she i know she already knows that it is just anyone doing psycholinguistics basically so that is fine and that she kind of take care of itself as well if she just sends one around to everyone and then only the psycholinguists will say it was for me yeah exactly but then there is a rest of ppls and i think we need to decide whether the text for the actual call is she going to rework something i think she should just write her own probably i think she might be glad to see kind of the one for the linguistics okay so what we will do i mean the thing is the main call will go out before she has got around to it anyway so what i will do is i will copy it i will c c hur on the because i can not imagine there would be an essential difference really between it no there will not be i just the only thing i am thinking is i want to make sure that it stands out as something applicable to them that they do not go 0 we are just getting rubbish from right yeah you know what i mean yeah i want them to really know that it is addressed to them and the good thing about claire is sending it is she is probably got a psych email address as well and it might look a bit more relevant to them they know her yeah exactly they know her etc so yeah so if we have if i have ced the original one then you can tell her that that can be the basis for the basis for her email but just make sure that that they know it is relevant to them et cetera and obviously in ppls we have also got english language now in a way we could send out that 1st call to them just as part of the same email because i think they are more likely to think it was relevant to them i do not really know i do not really know what you think about that but i think we definitely should open it up to english language i think particularly at the moment because they are really trying to sort of merge us into one subject area even though it should be meaningless because we are all part of a school i think that it does actually make a difference and so i think we should invite them but then we have still got the problem of a priority issue so you know probably what i was thinking is certainly 2nd and 3rd years absolutely need to be top priority but then there is a kind of awkward question of where we put 1st years because they do not need to if they want to should they have priority this is a kind of lower point but it kind of it crosses over with deciding what we are going to do when we are well do we have an idea of how many people we are going to actually have the whole thing any kind of because then it seems to me to be quite obvious and we just subtract the number of 2nd and 30 students and everything else is just i would favor doing it just on a 1st come 1st serve basis yeah okay i mean let us send out the call soon as possible see what reactions we get and then okay but i mean like see if we have to put on some restraints we were going to do this thing for i can not even remember was it 2 or 3 days it is 3 days okay and so how many how many posters and talks are you going actually going to get in they were 20 minute talks with 10 minute question time okay and you can run 2 in a row but probably not 3 but up to 3 do you think 2 in a row or 3 in a row did you 2 in a row and that is an hour is not it and then give it a 20 minute break perhaps yeah i mean the thing is every time we have a break there is a question of whether we actually serve coffee and biscuits and things because that is the kind normal thing to do if we go for say i am thinking a slots of one5 hour each so 3 lectures each that will be 3 per day times 3 will be 27 so you saying have say 3 sessions in a row and then do that twice in the morning and twice in the afternoon once in the morning twice in the afternoon 0 so just have an hour and a half in the morning yeah i mean or twice in the morning once in the afternoon i mean would 6 hours a day be pushing it not necessarily because i mean the good thing is would you get that many people wanting to give talks well i suppose what we can do is think about the structure now and say right what is the maximum we can do so i think that is about as much as we could do to have an hour and a half then have a coffee break then have an hour and a half then have lunch hour and a half coffee break hour and a half and so that would be 18 hours of talks overall would not it but what do we say so it is 12 36 talks is that right maximum of 36 okay let us just put this how many 2nd and 3rd year students are there well i could look because i have got that there is the list is not there of post graduates that i maintain in linguistics there are probably about 30 on there right okay but a good number of them are 1st years and i do not know i mean just to get an idea are you planning on talking no no are you planning on no and i am probably not so there is a good chance that almost none of the 1st years are going to volunteer here so if we had say 20 linguistics and even then i mean there are quite a few people who are abroad and who will not bother to turn up or can not make it or whatever so you know it might be that we only get say 15 anyway and then we could be left with 15 blocks for the rest of ppls so at least we know that we have got an absolute limit of about 36 talks yeah yeah we are also going to be having posters are not me and i should imagine that most people would rather do a poster than give a talk and that is what the coffee breaks will be for and maybe lunchtimes but coffee breaks are probably more like are going to be a better time because people will hang around whereas people are more likely to go off somewhere for lunch are not they yeah but would not we want to actually just like dedicate an afternoon or a morning to being a poster session yeah that is what i was about to say post a session is a good idea because just the people present presenting the posters are there and can say something about it actually there is always a problem again then the people who are presenting the posters do not get around to go and look at others yeah yeah yeah but i mean people kind of like generally sort them out themselves sort that out of themselves i mean it is the thing about posters unless you kind of say you know if your name is in the 1st half the alphabet you can move and the other ones can not so how long how long should a post a session be like how long will people want to mill around for looking at i would make it a whole morning or a whole afternoon i mean just because like ones that i have been to as well people tend to kind of come and go from them and i mean i i would say a whole either a whole morning or a whole afternoon at least but that is just i mean just based on the ones that i have been to so that means we could have 30 talks +one am or pm of posters yeah and we could probably get quite a few in there at least 6 anyway at least 6 at least 6 posters 0 right okay yeah so i mean during the session like how many can you have going on at once well that is just kind of dictated by the size of the room i mean would we have poster boards or is it just going to be posters on the walls did it like do we have any information i should have found this out are you guys 2nd years or 1st year 1st year so none of us have been to this before no right i have been to durham postgraduate conference and i mean every conference i have ever been to the posters have always been in the coffee break which is why probably because normally they are limited on space and they actually we have a message here from mitz about the poster session yeah poster session was introduced in 1999 as part of the main conference in 2000 it was held separately in october the intention was to use it as a way to introduce incoming post grad students to the department is research culture however i did not pursue this idea the following year because the comments i received from students in 2000 were generally discouraging on the other hand i later learned that some students did find the october poster session quite a useful experience my suggestion therefore is to re examine the idea of poster session altogether and find a better way to implement it if there seems to be enough interest in it well i think keeping it alongside the conference is possibly one way of maintaining interest one possibility is to put it back in the main conference and let people choose between a paper presentation and a poster yeah i think that is definitely the idea i can imagine it would seem a bit random just have like a poster session and just have a poster session what would it be at the beginning so i suppose is it normally 2nd years do it like just after they have come back for this 0 you mean on the october thing that is what it would be i think i thought well it seems to me that he was saying that everyone would do it because its goal was to give the new intake yeah yeah but i do not think he means that it would be the 1st years who have only just arrived would do a post 0 no no no yeah okay so at least anyone who is right do yeah exactly yeah i might do i still a little bit doubtful so that is good anyway so we have got an idea i think this 30 talks and and say 610 posters whatever we can manage to fit in the room so we need to look at we need to look at where we are going to hold it we could have it in b 9 but there is things all over the wall they are those pictures that run all the way around so can we take the pictures down can we use b 9 for the posters well we should find out if generally they use poster boards if there are some poster boards that we can get hold of then that is all right okay so post the board well i will do i will email myths about that okay okay right into the call that we are considering the idea of having a poster session so people can indicate would they prefer to give a poster or a talk yeah okay but the ultimate decision is on our side because we have to see how does it work out with the poster session how does it work out with the talk well what we will do is we can just say if you want to do a talk then just say so and if you want to do a poster then say you want to do a poster and we can sort of base it around that and if we get absolutely tons of people wanting to do posters and we do not think there is you know everyone is kind of done it as a cop out then we might have to sort of say to them well you know would you consider doing a talk instead yeah because particularly the 2nd and 3rd years because we need more talk and just you know do it like that yep we could even say something like you know 1st years might want to give a post or something like that because i do not know maybe that is a bad idea just throw a general suggestion at them see what happens okay okay so we have got some sort of idea of the structure and how many talks are we going to be able to have well the maximum i mean i guess that will evolve when we get a response from people okay okay so english language will put on the main call and i will just kind of market it as a linguistic system in english language or something like that i think and is the other main group then philosophy yes and informatics 0 yeah so i had a look at whether they do philosophy of language and logic and stuff here and they kind of do there is about 3 or 4 full time members of staff that list philosophy of language as a major interest so chances are they are going to have some phd students that are interested so do we think we should invite them i think i would be surprised if we got sort of 4 out of them i think that would be amazing if we did so i think it is probably worth it i do not think we are going to get inundated with request so i think it is worth asking them asking philosophy yeah do you think informatics would i mean i think informatics is definitely worth asking there is csdr and hcrc i mean i am thinking that the informatics potentially is quite a big response yes it is yeah might be interesting stuff coming in with something recently about i think somebody is master is project to look in how far english is actually or in how far english is a shaping influence on programming languages all right cool yeah it is would we want to ask them and put some kind of like proviso in to make it specific to sort of preemptively read out the numbers or should we just say to them 0 you know we are having a thing about language and you know it would be nice to do that the thing is we can not afford to bias it towards any particular kind of linguistics in a sense because it is such a because of the way our department is then we are supposed to sort of embrace all kinds in fact even by inviting people from informatics and from or maybe from philosophy and things it might bias it in a particular direction but i do not know it is probably not too bad i think that i think that between philosophy informatics and psychology you have probably got quite a lot of bread there anyway the thing is the one thing is the only kind of people doing anything like applied linguistics are the applied linguistics are the applied linguists themselves and people in sociology with an interest in language and i do not think we will be inviting them but i do not think that is too bad because the 1st thing is there is a good reason for inviting everyone in ppls because we are in one school and then the fact that we also invite people from informatics i suppose it is just that we do have pretty strong ties with them and i do not think anyone would be too offended i hope not anyway so yeah so what kind of proviser can we put on i mean we could just say outright anyone in their 3rd year or anyone in their 2nd or 3rd year but i do not know well we can just you know take whatever we get and pick the best between us which is yeah yeah it is just my straightforward yeah so we just say them a general thing saying the linguistics department is having this conference and would like to invite postgraduates from informatics you are going to email claire so who wants to send something out to informatics i will do that that is fine yeah all right and should i get in touch with philosophy as well yeah sure so yeah so what you want to say is anyone who wants to give a talk on logic or philosophy of language but put a warning that if it is logic then there is a good chance that no one will understand or not that many i mean maybe if you just put yeah just put philosophy of language that is probably good yeah i mean or just send them the things same with linguistics department as it is having a postgraduate thing you are a philosophy student with you know your work has got an interest in language yeah yeah that is yeah that is all you do yeah that i think as much as we need to say that is right so you have got to work out basically i was thinking was just sending them your call the papers and changing it slightly to say dear philosophy students yeah that is fine that is fine that is what you want to do as long as it is clear from the subject bar that it is relevant to them and and that it says somewhere that for philosophy students with an interest in language and that is it and then between us we will have to have another meeting and i mean at the same time as we are sorting through all the other titles and deciding how to divide up the sessions see someone suggested to me that it is actually better to have talks on a similar topic spread out as much as possible which to me just seemed absolutely crazy and the reason she gave me was something to do with taking out like a whole day or a whole afternoon would be quite difficult but i think that balance against the fact that most people want to be able to say well look i can have just this one day off as opposed to well i need an hour over 3 days you know an hour each day for 3 days you could end up having to take 3 afternoons or 3 mornings or whatever off so i think in general and also for the sake of the lecturers i think a lot of the time simon kirby is already said to me that anyone any of his students he wants to be on the 1st day on the wednesday right and that is because i shifted it i basically had it on monday tuesday wednesday to begin with and then it moved down twice to wednesday thursday friday so wednesday is the only day left that he can make 0 i see right he wants to them there because he can make it okay yeah so and the other thing is when we get some calls say we have for instance 3 people supervised by bob ladd then it might be that then we are going to have to contact bob and say bob these 3 of your students are going to be talking presumably you want to be there so can you give us a time that would be good for you and then we can put them in a block at one time because he says yeah okay thursday afternoon i have got completely free and so i think we do need to stick everyone together particularly if they have got the same supervisor and it is also good if talks are on the same topic for a whole morning or a whole afternoon because then people will come along and go 0 this morning it is all on phonology or this morning it is all on applied linguistics and then okay as much as possible anyway and that is so far as just a general statement of interest what we intend to do what we actually get to do with you later when we have this stuff yeah now we need if i am going to send out this call we need a deadline for titles so what should we say something like because we need a deadline for titles and a deadline for abstract so let us set the latest deadline the sort of abstracts deadline 1st because we need to have a meeting and that is going to be when all the real work starts so what is the absolute latest i mean maybe the end of 2 weeks ahead end of march end of march might be okay i am going away for 2 weeks on the 4th of april and then i am coming back just in time for the conference so any organizing at least stuff where i need to be where we need to meet physically has to be done before that yeah and i will be away probably until easter so this actually means we have the week directly after easter between my coming back and you leaving i tell you one thing it is starting on the wednesday and the 1st day back is tuesday i think i am coming back i am trying to get this right hopefully i will be back in time that we will be able to do something the day before because i think i am going to be back you might even have to come in in the evening but that is not the end of the world but we might have to set some things up like maybe just get the chairs organized or whatever we might actually have to go into the rooms and get things ready and there is going to be other things like getting the technology ready so not only is there a pressure to have talks that are on a similar topic together but also if people need the same kind of computer setup it is good to have them together so we do not have to keep changing it so because i think it was cedric has already offered to do whatever we need him to do but he just needs to know in advance what people need so that he can be there and get it ready for them so i think when people do you think people are actually going to need well hopefully most people will either have something like powerpoint or they will just have pdf slides or something something hopefully no one will have anything too specialized in my experience what you usually should have is some kind of what is it overhead yeah dingo beamer in some cases we might if it is really tough we might be in need of a of some sound system i mean if we do it they have not been i have 9 got all of that yeah it has got a lot in there but i think it does take a little bit of i mean i think sometimes maybe people need to be in linux rather than windows and so booting in and out yeah it is sometimes an issue i think but i think what we should say is when i put out this call i will put both deadlines and i think i will say that when you send in your abstract you need to mention any technology you intend to use so that at least we have all the information yeah yeah so deadlines okay so let us think about this if we gave them a whole month or just over a month then that would be okay would not it because we have still got 0 no it would not be okay at all if we gave them the whole month that it gives us hardly any time so if we gave them say till mid march that would be good so give them something like 10 days or whatever to get the title in and then give them a week on top of that to get the actual abstract done and the abstract does not have to be much it is probably only half the side of a 4 or something is not it it is just enough that we can see whether it is interesting or what kind of area it fits into that is all we really need ideally i would have liked to have given them a bit longer but i think that would be okay no way anymore okay so unfortunately i do not have a calendar so neither do i you are going to send that pen crazy that is true no it is i think it is okay when you are not alright on there so so 31 0 no it is 28 this month is not it so if we have it like a monday monday the 14th would probably be quite good for the final deadline and then if i send it out tomorrow we will say something like the or maybe the 4th would be good so give the total deadline yeah a week for the title and then they would have about 10 days from then to actually get the abstract in does that sound reasonable why not just give them a week to the abstract i mean i am thinking about just put it here yeah the 11 bit earlier so i am saying a week i know i was saying just give them a bit longer to get back with the title so get back with the title by the 7th or do we need that would be a week anyway that would be a week anyway but you can give them 10 days to you can give them 10 days to get the title yeah yeah it depends which way around you want to do it so what is going to take them longer actually to decide what they are going to do and send the title or is it going to be on the basis of the title do they want more time to write the abstract i think if they are really serious to be a bit late with the title might not be bad because it will help them to so give them the 7th yeah yeah okay so monday the 7th is the title and this presumably will apply across the board yeah and monday the 14th for the abstract and we have got an email address to send all this too have not we or was it well we kind of have i we were given getting access to the to the account the only thing is accessing the account they can send it to pgc at ling yeah as long as we can get the yeah i tell you what i will do then i will go and see mike today and and get the password and everything because we possibly have it but i will just sort that out with him because if we are going to tell everyone to email ptc then we have to make pretty sure that we can actually access the account and then it is operational and stuff because so far i have just been using my own email address but it would be better it is quite easy to send from an email address because you can send from any email address you like it is just the fact that you need to it is just the fact that when they reply to it you need to be able to access it so i already tried it once and i am sure they gave us a password and i even actually 0 well that is it we have got it all written down that is it so does it i mean you may already know but the thing is if you want to send this call for abstracts you know when you do the philosophy and thing you want then if you want to send from pgc then i mean you might already know but you can go if you did it from webmail you can just create a new account for yourself and where it is a it actually has a you know you know send from address and you can just put pgc and link and just do it that way or depending on your normal email client you might be able to do it but it does not matter too much the other thing you could do is have is just fill in the reply to address as pgc yeah depending on what you want to do but that is what i will do i will send it from pgc so if anyone replies it will just go to that account and any of us can access it at any time presumably you can access this off from webmail or you or imap or whatever should i take care of the web page yeah if you want to create a web page and just copy my email into it or something and anything else you might want to do and then later on we can put the programming yeah cool so okay all right yeah is it 5 is it almost 2 it is not quite it is 2 or 3 minutes to you have got something for 2 have not you right okay so very quickly then can we arrange a new time to have a meeting do you think we need to how long do you think until we need to meet again have we got enough to be getting on with we probably have have not we yeah i mean that is just so i mean maybe i mean ideally i suppose we will meet again here so we can arrange with melissa and we will just send out an email okay yeah that would be cool okay so i mean i will not get in touch with or i will not send anything to philosophy and informatics till i have got your email yeah i will just send a modified version of that but i will try and get a good address to send it to all right so that was a note and i am okay i think the latest as soon as the call is out yeah because then we have the call thing we have that way and look at the bore organizatorial stuff like do we know about chairs tea and stuff all right we finished okay" ]

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[ "so ready no not really kay just crap sorry i i i am afraid okay it is perfect your judgment it is is biased thi this remote control will stay a prototype kay so whe where is the remote control so we are so where it is here okay let us go for our detailed design meeting yep so i will still play the role of the secretary and we will have 1st the project presentation by our user interface designer okay david jordan and our industrial designer baba yeah yeah yeah so we will have to evaluate the your proposed remote control and have an idea of the price that this thing will cost kay and in case if we are we all agree on the fabrica of building of this remote control we will evaluate the production so maybe i will let the our 2 designers talk about so their you have s 0 sorry i have slides okay oops ah that is 3 effectively one slide and maybe we can discuss everything product prod what slides yep okay okay so this is our product or prototype this is made by clay looks strange yeah the basic color is yellow and red yellow is our company color red it is is more attractive okay so we used 2 basic color yellow and red and the shape there is 2 basic shape the 1st is a circle and the 2nd is a triangle s piece it is we call it a mushroom design okay it is looks like some mushroom so we call it mushroom design yeah so this is a introduction of our product genetically modified mushroom i will say but keep on speaking next a mo okay yeah so next slide yeah so there are several key features of our pr prototype the 1st is that it is fuzzy i am sure this would be the unique design the market 0 yeah yeah i am sure maybe i hope so yeah so it is a fuzzy design and a unique design yeah that is true and the 2nd key feature is that s circle channel selection in the traditional key traditional controller use button to to select the channel but now we have a s circle so we can turn this ball to t to select channel so it is quite convenient for user to use it chan yeah okay but do not touch do not destroy your prototype yeah s okay the 3rd feature is a stable triangle base this sta this triangle base is very stable so so it is it is it is unlikely you cannot found it so it is v you can put it in the table so you can turn the the ball to cha to select the channel and there is some cute button you c can can you can see the the shape of the buttons n is a mushroom so everything is mushroom yeah yeah everything is mushroom so we can call our remote control the mushroom mush yeah but it is not like really mushroom because you have you know like lemon shape you know center is yellow and t d mushroom design yeah yeah okay yeah th that is why if you put it in the table be careful somebody will eat it to integrate you know yeah i do not think i hope nobody will eat it you know to integrate the fruit aspect you know the the in yeah 0 yeah because mushroom was not in the trends i mean there was fruits yeah really fruits and vegetables but fruit and vegetable so mushroom was a kind of you know vegetables yeah mushroom is a vegetable yeah i do not think it is it is vegetable mushroom yeah 0 i am not sure so th it is something eatable we can it is a veg a kind of vegetable but you know we we integrated them with different color yeah yeah but anyway this is not a mushroom anyway so it is fine yeah i i think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable you know this you know very enlighted colors you know no i mean yeah yeah inspira inspiration is and inspired color and and very sophisticated material so true yeah and so next slide no this our only 2 slides so what we w what i can add is that you know he talk about what is outside yeah so what is inside is what we dis what we talked before about you know the chip it is a low level chip and so we cut it to see you know we do not need to k you know wi the low level chips inside and you know the l c d button and the i okay so where is the battery battery the battery it is under it is in th in in the base yeah in the base base in the basement here in the basement and where is the solar solar cell but we say we sa we said solar where is the solar cell in fact this this this this is a kind of you know revolutionary solar receptor that we can put outside and i do not think so 0 do you think it will not be it will not cris increase the price okay okay we will see after but it it is might be okay so we will have 1st to so mister money what is your opinion according to this remote control i it might be okay okay so yeah i mean we going to try to measure how good it is instead of just talking about we had 3 keys key points to for this remote control design and 1st one was fancy look and feel yeah yeah so w we will try to judge this feature with a one to 7 scale one being no i think just let me check so 435 it means it is acceptable 11 being true and 7 being false okay oops ouch so okay do we have a fancy look and feel according to you yeah i think so i think you have nice colors i do not the sha the bowl shape people like but is it yeah the shape is unique and the color i will agree it is unique but is it really is it really fancy so it depend on how d do you define fancy yeah i mean fancy was was defined by s fruit and vegetable look but it is you have the lemon aspect of this th this this thing yeah maybe if you change if you take the buttons out and maybe do things like that do do not do that please i dunno where the lemon is but i mean it is not obvious i it is it is i this shape is a lemon like so it would be bet more like a lemon yeah if because i i dunno maybe improving the texture of like having it less smooth or yeah less button so my mush looks like more fruit yeah but you do not have any button now maybe a pineapple yeah i dunno and you know you have the finger here with the buttons yeah that is yeah is that that is a good idea yeah it is getting so that is great it looks more like a pineapple that is great sorry what is the use for that for turn turn the ball i have no idea so if you want to turn the ball it is very it is very convenient for you to to to turn the ball to change the channel i have no idea what and where is the voice recognition okay ah it is embedded your microphone yeah that is okay th this th th there is 22 functions wait th that is the 2nd point this is microphone array 1st one is we have to judge the fancy look and feel if it is fancy or not okay is it better like that i mean so we can we can say t looks okay let us say it is a pineapple now the color is the color acceptable no the color is okay that is fine so the shape now i mean it is but i would say there is more too much red it looks like a now you took it it is too much red if in the basement it looks like a pineapple with cherry on top okay right i will give i will so from one to 7 7 is the ma the maximum no 7 is false and one is true i will gi i will give 2 or 3 3 it is okay 3 i will say 3 33 3 3 is fine for me okay kay 3 is not it bitter like that yeah yeah yeah then let me what other the other criterion is is it technologically technologically in innovative is it easy to use feasible ye you said previously that you there is microphone inside an embedded yeah this is microphone array in fact it is a micro array okay there 4 microphone 0 okay and you have the there is the technology inside that recognize simple vocal comments so they they they they there is a microphone array yeah yeah so you can capture voice yeah you c and you can turn it so maybe it is techno technologically innov innovative 0 yeah yeah yeah so you can capture s voice from different directions and i think you you have never seen a rou a round remote control so it is yeah bu but when you say technologically it is more i dunno in the core or single yeah i w yeah but we have tactile buttons i see you have microphone array embedded you have that is good no that is good yeah and you have you know this ki this solar receptor that you know yes 0 yeah yeah th that is another really good point yeah maybe okay i think technically it is acceptable so maybe 2 yeah so using the same scale 2 2 2 yeah 2 i would say 2 it is it is fine so you agree okay yeah i agree it is better like that is not it now maybe the most critical one most okay l last one w i would like to judge is is it easy to use eh for th the vocal command yes it is might be easy but it is just speaking yeah it is very easy you just need the command yeah but this this turning can you can you just re explain me the you can use this in this way as a principle please yeah th this is the base yeah so you can turn to change the channel yeah but how how intuitive is it to turn things to change channels you just tu turn d d i think maybe if you he like if you want to go from 0 ok i understand if you hear some click you take take the remote so and you can turn like that to change the channel yeah yeah yeah but imagine you y i think it is quite easy to so s zapping but maybe it will be too fast yeah it would yeah i am i am no i am not definitely convinced it is it is the best way to if you want to jump from i dunno one to 20 0 yeah that is difficult yeah how can you go directly to 20 for example that is dif that is difficult no no no i if y if it depend on the the angle you turn the yeah yeah yeah but y how you need to know i i agree i agree but i mean if you are fro from 2 i if if this is a channel one so it c it could be channel 2 channel 3 channel 4 channel 5 i think something that yeah yeah you have a like that and so on so change yeah and you you can yeah ju just imagine you have 5050 channels 0 yeah y 5th channel divided by the num by the by 313 degree we are not talking yeah so you got how many degree you you it yeah but y but you have to go through all the channels if you want to go i think you can if you have a scale so no no you do not have to y no it is when you when you stop t when you stop the the turn then the angle you stop is the angle you is the channel you yeah how d how do you know this angle is th is the correct one it is it is very easy because you kn you know how many channel are there in the so you you count one degree 2 degrees no yeah yeah yeah you can do it i do not think so yeah it is a bit difficult i think so i think so you can do it i think so you can just change i think b but the the vocal command is easy too you can say 50 and 50 it is okay so yeah voc vocal command is okay but w we have said previously that maybe it is not going to be th l the main there is also a number you know yeah but when you are zapping you are changing from one channel to the other so you are passing through all the channels so when you say i want to go to the channel number 20 that is you have decided to go to channel 20 so you can say channel 20 or channel 4 because you really want to go on this channel yeah and y that is yeah but if you really want to to do zapping you you do not really know what you want to do you can turn it and this would be more for browsing ah yeah yeah just go through all the channels and maybe stop if there is something interesting to see yeah yeah yeah yeah seems to be good yeah good choice mister david jordan yeah yeah i mean you are famous and but i would and also you can if you i you yeah what is what is this cherry you ca you can turn this or you ca you can you can also turn this it is a turn off t turn off button maybe for this you can tune it is for tune you you if you want to skip from channel one to channel 2 you you skip this if you want to from skip from channel one to channel 10 you tune this it is like fine from coarse to fine this is coarse this is fine yeah yeah yeah that is okay so it is coarse to fine design that is very technologic so yeah yeah okay the th this looks better yeah yeah is is this is from one channel to maybe to 10 channel s but i di i did not see where the t f the turn off t turn on turn off button so much activates maybe one of the this is from one channel to yeah yeah th you have the vocal commands yeah it is k on off yeah yeah on off yeah but it has to be on to recognize fas most of the time you have the yeah it is a sleeping remote control yeah sleeping ah that is not the ecological part yeah that is true w that why we have the solar ti yeah solar to compensate yeah okay so 3 so which number easy to use it is very relative but 3 it is fine i think it is reasonable 3 do you agree yeah agree agree 3 so reasonably is 4 is one 3 f 3 for me it is 0 it is okay so 3 4 or 3 maybe you can vote to see how many everybody gives and no and just take the mean and what is your opinion we would not say i mean those are sort of agreed but this one would be more 5 to me will you give 4 5 i would like i mean this is the just a prototype i am not really convinced it is so easy to use but i do not know yeah so maybe if w w what do y what you compare with traditional tr traditional controller yeah i think it is easier than traditional controller if you use traditional controller you have to put a button but now you do not have to put button you have you just turn the turn the ball yeah but y you know there is 2 kind of balls the smaller the the the so you can c you can c you can control the scale so you have yeah but in the traditional controller how do how can you control the scale by pushing 0 after after the 1st one you just push 2 button 0 and and one yeah yeah yeah y you you can do it and that is yeah but you can also do it in the b if you you do not wa if you do not want to browsing all the channel you can just p there is also a button here are there some buttons okay yeah this function is just for your browsing from one channel to th the next one the next s sn s the th the 3rd one it is not what you said previously previously you said that turning this was the fine yeah if you are changing your mind fine to coarse fine to coarse yeah yeah and from 10 to 10 channels here y one to 1010 to 1210 to t 20 10 to 20 and this one t 123456 like this okay there is different scale so you can you can choose how much do you want to sc okay but this this has to stay on the table right this has to stay on the table in fact on a flat place i i this is just a base you can just you can yeah but then when you turn turn it yeah 0 0 ye yes that is right yeah no no no just you can not put it out it is it is just your turning from the base you need to have everything in hand if you want to turn you can not use it and turn 0 my god it is impossible yeah you need to put it on and turn you know tha that is the weak point because with a traditional one you just have one hand you use your y yeah but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say i have lost the remote control so th this is a d next generation controller nobody would take it sure yeah you would never you would never lose this one yeah so nobody w will lost lose it yeah maybe maybe may it is the next prototype maybe we cou yeah yeah okay okay okay s maybe we can change from th 4 maybe 4 it is okay 4 okay 4 i will put 4 easy to use 4 4 going to say 4 yeah 4 it is more reasonable it is even easier to maybe you can you can erase with this er yeah ok okay yeah 4 it is more reasonable so so it is 99 over 3 so average 3 3 trois 3 0 yeah it is trois okay so it need maybe some wo further work but it is yeah especially on the easy to use yeah s yeah yeah target might it might be fine so th the project is accepted okay yeah yeah b i think but i d m i think that it will be good to do some more work to transform this into a pineapple yeah yeah yeah yeah if you re we really want to have a fruitful remote control okay so that is the finance okay and we we had a project prototype presentation with the evaluation so as we all agree to accept under certain conditions the prototype we will have look to the final sh financial view yeah okay so we need to calculate the production cost as i said in the 1st meeting we need to have so a remote control that would cost not more than 12 and 50 and if not if it is not the case y you would have to redesign it 0 yeah yeah so just have a look at the okay here is the excel sheet so so it has the energy source we have hand dynamo no we do not use that no we have battery right yeah we have battery kinetic we do not have it i suppose but we have solar cells no solar cells yeah how many do y do you need solar cells do you think one would be enough or such as i think in each ball you have 33 yeah 3 yeah as number of branches 3 33 solar cells so electronic single simple chip on print just one would be necessary s s simple simple yeah one yeah 0 for the others and sample sensor sample speaker one one maybe yeah as we have voice recognition i think yeah yeah yeah so the case is it is sh it so we are all already 19 wooden okay just keep on going just to have an idea the solar cell is too expensive yeah is yes a wooden pl i and that is there is no wood so plastic just only i think well yeah but what what about case uncurved flat single curved double curved i think it is more like double curved that is going to be double curved yeah double curve yeah double curve one one you have wood but it is yeah a a rubber rather 4 buttons 0 no interface do we need special color y maybe 2 yeah yeah yeah yeah that is special colors sure we have 2 special colors y y yeah yeah push button yeah we have 4 5 5 okay scroll wheel no we don no it it is more like integrated scor i think that this will be like a scroll wheel actually no no yeah tha that is wheel y you tu you turn you turn it so no no no it okay yeah maybe 2 scroll wheel as we have the coarse coarse to fine scroll wheel yeah yeah true yeah yeah yeah okay yeah yeah scr so no button supplements i think the price is okay no no okay okay we i think we have problem l c display maybe interface i think we s if we keep on adding things so we have to it is okay fine yeah w one of the m key point is solar cells maybe if w t if suppose if we change and we g put just one yeah has it changed yeah it was stage one so no y i it did change but just imagine we have okay we have change the electronics to from from the the the sample sensor to regular chip so 0 we have to delete the the sample sensor i think yeah yeah but we have you the the voice recognition no yeah but this 11 of the feature we were not really yeah it is the one it is m maybe we ha we have 2 versions the 1st version the basic version okay i think you can transform the wood into plastic maybe advanced version we have speak yeah because it seems that this can be yeah wood into plastic and it it should be fine yeah if or it would be better plastic is free yeah so do we need special color yeah that is one of the requirement because we have red yeah red and yellow wait red and yellow we could turn we could turn everything in either yellow or black fancy we we can we can we c yellow black then is a regular color so i think so we need if we try to have a kind of yeah one pineapple bee yeah so push button then it is it is the next expensive one yeah an but we have integrated scroll wheel with push dut button and i think this is one yeah thi this might be integrated scroll wheel push button so we will we have only one and push button close to so if we have all integrated i in the scroll wheel and push button it is one i can remove maybe f you have 5 with push buttons so we can just i dunno try to modify some of them to have yeah okay so what is the bottleneck how about we change the sale double curved double curve we can transform the double curve into single c yeah something flat f some yeah but flat s uncurved single curve case what is the ca yeah maybe not yeah single curve should be fine so 0 what ah we have one and then one left nearly maybe do not bat no battery only solar cells it is it is a bad idea so i think there is a problem with the push push button we only need maybe just one 2 one just one yeah that is fine okay okay that is fine agree so we have one button so yeah you will have so one button and s one s one scroll wheel so and the vocal chord it is fine one wheel scroll wheel with push button on it it i th it is fine so it is good they are not charging anything for that so yeah it think we we have done good job as the cost is cou could we have look 1250 e could we have look at the p the the prod the p the cost yeah y actually it is wrong we are not under €12 and a half yeah but it is under or equal it is not written it is fine sometimes it is under or equal it is under or equal okay it is fine so okay okay so let us say 1250 wha what yeah it is fine 1250 which part is the most expensive part solar cells the solar cells r is i is it yeah i think yeah i think it is not t t i think yeah but it would i be interesting for our marketing team to make a lot of advertisement concerning these solar cells to be yeah to be able to si to sell it yeah cheaper that is nice argument but if it is it is still 4 our of 12 yeah with mi it is it is really really really very very expensive though yeah maybe if okay okay yeah but it will be technologically innova innovative so yeah yeah yeah but we just have one button so it is easy to use and powerful as the remote control a has only one button easy i do not know about powerful yeah it is easy to use easy powerful it is very easy to use so i do not think we need to redesign the p the product no that is what we have just done we have done it with it is under the if it was low high or so yeah yeah so okay now so so what are we going to do with this project evaluation so well i think we have just have to discuss if okay okay it is fine i dunno so did you enjoy your clay modeling yes of course this is my job yeah was it a nice way to create your remote control yeah it is it is good to to create a control instead of a computer yeah i think i find it really funny and amazing and interesting to go through all the process to from the beginning to the end and designing looking at the chips the solar cells and and it was very informative for yeah and for the marketing guy tha that was good but we should have more brainstorming like meetings maybe yep cause we just presenting one is presenting his stuff next one his stuff and then we try to combine afterwards so it okay okay okay and new ideas about new products maybe wi which would be fashion and and yellow yellow i think you can think about a yellow t v now after a fruit t v or i dunno it can be an interesting i do not know yes just lemon yeah just a lemon t v it would be yellow lemon yeah but y you know the traditional t v it is it is flat yeah yeah it is flat yeah the shape is very boring squared yeah that is right could we come up with new t v with such as this kind of t v it is really boring yeah yeah so you can you have base triangle base so you the t v you can ah the lemon t v with the pineapple remote control yeah that is that would be really interesting actually yeah yeah because the t v you also 0 that is interesting you could f we could do a kind of fruit collection of electronics things device devi yeah electronic device yeah but just do not trust too much the trends yeah the fruit yeah cause fruit and vegetables it will not last for 10 years maybe yeah maybe la next year it will be insects yeah it is maybe 2 years it is dead yeah but i think it is good to follow the f flow and you know make it now and after yeah you know if the people change their mind you change also the product yeah but this is good because it is not a long long life product yeah t v is more like 15 years maybe so yeah yeah if you have a lemon lemon t v for that is a yeah yeah we can think about t v with you know where you can change you know the aspects 0 like for the cell phones you know 15 years customable t v yeah you customize it every ti so every ti if people change you just change the appearance and y y you can keep yeah yeah ah such yeah you have already said mobile phones tha that would that would make it okay yeah yeah you can keep the global appearan yeah and following the mood of persons the fashions yeah we int it is interesting maybe we can create a a line of t v with a a tr yeah t v yeah yeah a t v for autumn and a t v for winter you know so it is yeah so what i and do w is it okay so i think the costs are within the budget we are just at €1250 yeah the pr at yep yeah so do you think you can celebrate your creation and you can celebrate your leadership 0 thanks a lot thank you mister david jordan yeah but i think f it is really a celebrating object yeah so it is yellow and very a very ha it is very happy so yeah it is party party remote control it is it is a pr it is like yeah the thing now is to to sell it yeah it is your job yeah right go and sell it sell it goo and good luck so yeah yeah okay and the 12501212 huh €25 €25 yeah yeah i think it is it should be fine €25 it is maybe a little bit expensive it is cheap yeah no i no it is not so expensive i am not so happy about the fruit shape you know wh really it should be it should be fine you know actually okay s maybe what you can do a test yeah put it outside and if bees come it is really fruit i i think i like the the color a the color are very good so actually so okay but do not put sugar in it it is not working no the colors are it is perfect yeah it is perfect and true yeah another thing is the logo is missing still i p is th y the the yellow ball thing that yeah but the color i think the color is more is most important because i i do not think you have ever seen something like that before for a remote control still that was one of the requirements we had it is yeah but it i do not think it is such a problem just putting the logo somewhere f like y we can we can put some double r yeah but we decided to have something yellow and red for the costs yeah so maybe we can just integrate it on th on one side the double r okay yeah yeah yeah that is actually good idea so so we have the logo we have the color and we have the fashion in electronics so we have the slogan too so we have to give a so we have give him give it a cute name cute na yeah th no it is the it is the pineapple control remote control mush mushroom controller you cannot say mushroom because it is not the trend it is not a mushroom it is a pineapple now it has changed it is not the trend it is a pineapple remote controls it is a pineapple pa pineapple pine apple yeah pineapple remote remote control yeah but just flying saucer or with cherry on top 0 that okay i would say flying saucer 0 unid unidentified remote control so it is more appropriate somehow okay okay that is that is pineapple remote control i think it is fine okay will you buy one yeah yeah i will try i will try try to €25 okay i can hel i will try versions so to see how easy easy to manage okay yeah you told me you h you d you d you lost your control your t v so so you need to buy one yeah i always lose my yeah so so i if it is a universal one i can use it with my t v so it would be okay one thing i like is the shape because you know it is not like the the remote controls you can put in your pocket on in your jacket traditional one yeah so this one and this one what do you choose i prefer the laser remote control i think i would choose this one because of the color what do you choose no it is okay it is will enlight your house your home and your t v so okay yeah 0 maybe next if we decide to do something we would can put light inside yeah yeah that would be an idea yeah but that is going to be expensive you know yeah we had some problems going to €12 and i dunno i think it it would be interesting to just to see if we can if people will buy this one and maybe add some features to it after yeah yeah afterwards if yeah yeah if it is a new trend okay yeah that is that fine so so we can celebrate now that is our new product champagne mister baba we should celebrate yes it is it is fine it is i like it next time so buy one well i will buy one here yeah so okay i will close this yeah no so i think we have finished the designing and the evaluation of our remote control okay okay yeah and we have a nearly final product our final prototype which yeah final prototype yeah ye yeah final prototype right prototype yeah so thank you very much okay okay okay okay very productive okay thanks s so who is going to take the remote control" ]

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[ "i am going to so already not really just just that is your remote their remote control so we are so so let us go for our detailed design meeting so i will still play the role of the secretory and we will have 1st the project presentation by our user interface designer david jordan and our industrial designer baba so we will have to evaluate your proposed remote control and have an idea of the price that this thing will cost and in case if we are all agree on the fabric of the building of this remote control we will evaluate the building of this remote control we will evaluate the production production so maybe i will let the our 2 designers talk about some i have slides there you have some sorry oops but it is 1st you one slide and maybe you can product discuss everything okay okay so this is our prototype this is made by klin looks strange the basic color is yellow and red yellow is our company color and red is more attractive so we use 2 basic colors yellow and red and the shape there is 2 basic shape the 1st is cycle and the 2nd is the triangle space space we call it a mushroom design it looks like the mushroom so we call it mushroom design so this is the introduction of our product generally modified mushroom i will say but keep on speaking yeah the next slide so there are several key features of our prototype the 1st is that it is fancy i am sure this would be the unique design in the market maybe i hope so yeah so fancy design and a unique design okay and the 2nd key feature is that the circle channel selection in the traditional controller use button to select the channel but now we have a circle so we can turn this ball to select channel it is quite convenient for user to use it yeah okay but do not touch do not destroy your here 1st time okay the 3rd feature is a stable triangle base this triangle base is very stable so it is unlikely you cannot find it so you can put it in the table so you can turn the ball to select the channel and there is some q button you can see the shape of the table buttons is a mushroom so everything is mushroom yeah so we can call our remote control the mushroom mushroom much is not like really mushroom because you know like lemon shape you know center yeah that is why if you put it in the table to enter somebody will eat it i do not see you know to integrate the fruit aspect you know the yeah yeah because mushroom was not in the trends i mean fruit and vegetables food and vegetables vegetables mushroom is a vegetable i do not think it is it is vegetable not sure i am not sure it is something eatable it is a kind of vegetable but you know we integrated the different color but anyway this is not a mushroom anyway so it is fine i think we take into account what you said about fruit and vegetable by using you know this you know very enlightened colors yeah inspiration is inspired color and very sophisticated material it is true and so next slide no this is so what i can add is that you know he talked about what is outside so what is inside is what we talked before about you know the chip it is a low level chip so we cut it to see we do not need to cut you know the low level chips inside and you know the lcd button and the battery battery it is under in the base it is in the basement and where is the solar cell so this this this is a kind of new revolutionary solar receptors that we can put outside do you think it will not be it will not rise increase the price i do not think so okay we will see it might be okay we will have 1st 2 so mister monet what is your opinion according to this remote control i mean we are going to try to measure how good it is instead of just talking about we had 3 keys key points for this remote control design and the 1st one was fancy look and feel so we will try to judge this feature with a one to 7 scale one being no i think just let me check so 435 it means it is acceptable one being true and 7 been false okay oops ouch okay do we have a fancy look and feel yeah i think so i think you have nice colors the shape the bowl shape yeah the shape is unique and the colors i agree it is unique but is it really so is it really fancy do you define fancy yeah i mean fancy was defined by fruit and vegetable look it is you have the lemon aspect of this this is yeah maybe if you change if you take the buttons out you maybe do things like that i do not know where the lemon is but this shape is a lemon like so it would be better more like a lemon if i do not know maybe improving the texture like having it less less buttons 0 so my mush looks like more fruit more fruit maybe a pineapple yeah i do not know and you know you had the finger here yeah with the buttons that is yeah it is a good idea that is right looks it more like a pineapple that is what is the use for that i have no idea if you want to taint the ball i have no idea it is very it is very convenient for you to to to tend the ball to change the channel okay and where is the voice recognition 0 it is embedded your microphone yeah that is 2 wait that is the 2nd 1st one is we have to judge the fancy or not fancy look and feel is it better like that okay let us say it is a pineapple now the color is the color is acceptable no the color is okay that is fine so the shape no but i would say there is more too much red so much red in the basement it looks like a pineapple with cherry on top right so from one to 7 i will give 7 is the maximum no 7 is false and one is true i will give 2 or 33 i will say 33 3 is fine for me okay 3 is not it bitter like that then then let me what are the the other criterion is easy to use technologically innovative you said previously that there is a microphone inside yeah this is microphone in fact they are 4 microphone okay and there is the technology inside that recognize simple vocal comments and you can turn it so maybe it is technologically innovative can you know i think you have never seen around remote control yeah but when you say technologically it is more i do not know in the core of the thing we have tactile buttons you have microphone embedded you have 0 that is good yeah that is good and you have you know this solar receptor yeah that is another really good point maybe i think technically it is acceptable maybe 2 so using the same scale 2 yeah too it is fine you agree no okay now maybe the most critical one okay last one i would like to judge is easy to use the vocal command yes it might be easy it is very easy yeah but this turning can you just explain me the the principal yeah this is the bass so you can turn can turn to change the channel yeah but how intuitive is it to turn things to change channels i think maybe if you want to go from 0 i understand if you have some click you take from the remote so and you can turn like that to change the channel yeah but imagine you i think it is quite easy to do zapping but maybe it will be too fast yeah i am not definitely convinced it is the best way to if you want to jump from i do not know one to 20 how can you go directly to 20 for example no no it is it is depend on the angle you tend the yeah i agree but i mean you need to know if this is a channel why so it could be channel 2 channel 3 channel 4 channel 5 yeah you have click click click click click click click click click yeah just imagine you have 50 50 channels 50 channels by the number by the by 313 degree yeah so you got how many degrees you yeah but you have to go through all the channels no no no it is when you stop when you stop the tone then the angle you stop it is angle you how do you know this angle is the correct one it is very easy because you know how many channels are there so you count one degree you can not one degree 2 degrees no yeah you can do it i do not think so i think so you can i think so you can i think but the vocal command is easy to you can say 50 and 50 it is okay we have said previously that maybe it is not going to be yeah but when you are zapping you are changing from one channel to the other so you are passing through all the channels so when you say i want to go to the channel number 20 that is you decided to go to channel 20 so you can say channel 20 what channel 4 because you really want to go on this channel but if you really want to do zapping you you do not really know what you want to do you can turn it just go through all the channels and maybe stop if there is something interesting seems to be good good choice mister david jordan yeah i mean you are famous if you can if you can yeah what is this cherry 0 you can you can you can also turn up button tune if you want to skip from channel one to channel 2 you skip this if you want to skip from channel one to channel 10 you turn this it is like fine from cost to fine this is cost this is fine okay so it is cost to fine design yeah this looks better yeah you see this is from one channel to but i did not see where is it turn and turn of buttons yeah that you had the vocal comment it is just off yeah yeah but it has to be on to most of the time you have them yeah it is sleeping remote control yeah sleeping that is not the ecological that is true that why we have the solar to compensate me yeah okay so which number easy to use it is very relative but 3 it is fine i think it is do you agree yeah agree so reasonable is 4 is 133 for me it is 3 for me it is okay so 3 maybe you can vote to see how many everybody gives and just take the name what is your opinion i would not say i mean for those i sort of agree but this one would be more 5 to me 5 i would like i mean this is not just a prototype i am not really convinced it is so easy to use yeah so maybe what do you what you compare it is traditional traditional controller i think it is easier than traditional controller if you use traditional controller you have to put the button but now you do not have to put the button you have you just tend the ball there are 2 kinds of balls the smaller so you can control the scale but in the traditional controller how do you how can you control the skill by pushing 0 at the 1st one yeah yeah you can do it but you can also do it in the bar if you do not if you do not want to browsing all the channel you can just there is also a button here and there is some buttons okay yeah this function is just for your browsing from one channel to the next one the next the next i just said previously previously you said that turning this was the fine fine to course fine to course and from 10 to 10 channels here one to 10 10 10 to 12 or 20 10 to 20 10 to 20 and this one to one 3 3 3 456 like this okay so that is different skill so you can choose but this this has to stay on the table right this has to stay on the table if i am going to flat place this is just a bith you can just you can yeah but then when you turn turn it 0 yeah no no no you can not put it out it is just you are turning from the base you need to have everything in the hand if you want to turn you can turn it can not use it and turn it is impossible you need to put it on and turn you know that is the weak point because with the traditional one you just have one hand yeah but nobody would be able to take it in the pocket and bring it in the kitchen and say i have lost a remote control nobody would take it that is true yeah you would never lose this one so this is a next generation control yeah yeah yeah maybe maybe it is the next prototype maybe maybe we can change 4 maybe 4 it is okay i will put 4 easy to use 4 you can say 4 yeah 4 it is more it is even easier to maybe you can errors with this okay yeah 4 it is more reasonable so so 9 over 3 3 3 3 well it is average it is average it is a lot okay so it needs maybe some further work but yeah especially on the easy to use target so the project is accepted yeah i think that it will be good to do some more work to transform this into a pineapple yeah if we really want to have a fruitful remote control okay so okay we had a prototype presentation with the evaluation so as we all agree to accept under certain conditions the prototype will have looked to the financial view view so we need to calculate them projection cost as i said in the 1st meeting when to have some remote control that would cost more than 12 and more than €50 and if not if it is not the case you would have to redesign it so just have a look at the okay here is the so shit so has the energy source we have honorable dynamo no we do not use that we have battery right yeah kinetic we do not have it i suppose but we have solar cells how many do you need solar cells do you think one would be enough or such as i think in each board you know 33 so electronic single simple chip on print just one would be necessary one yeah yeah 0 for the others and sample sensors and full speaker 11 as we have voice recognition yeah yeah so the case it will be you it will be so we are already 19 wooden okay just keep on going just to have an idea yes the wooden there is no wooded plastic just only yeah but what about case uncurved flat single curved double curved i think it is more like double curve double curve yeah one one yeah wood rubber no no do we need special color yeah we have 2 special colors push button yeah we have 4 5 5 okay scroll wheel no it is more like integrated scroll this will be like a scroll wheel yeah that is wheel you turn it so yeah maybe 2 scroll wheel as we have the course to find scroll wheel so no button supplements no okay okay i think we have a problem lcd display maybe into phrase i think if we keep on adding things it is okay so we have to yeah one of the key point is solar cells maybe if suppose if we change and we put just one yeah has it changed yeah it was changed no it did change but okay we have to the electronics to from the sample sensor to regular chip of we have to delete the sample sensor yeah but you have the voice recognition no yeah but this 11 of the feature we were yeah it is a one maybe we have we have 2 words the 1st part in the basic version i think you can transform the wood into plastic maybe it seems that this can be better yeah wood into plastic and it is fine plastic is free yeah so do we need a special color yeah that is one of because we have red red and yellow we could turn everything in either yellow or black black then is a regular color so i think so we need to have a kind of pineapple bee so push button then it is the next expensive one and that we have integrated scroll wheel with push that button i think this is one integrated scroll wheel push button so we will we have only one and push button so if we have all integrated in the scroll wheel and push button it is a i can remove maybe you have 5 push button so we can just you know try to modify some of them to have okay so what is the like how about we change double curve we can transform the double curve into something flat yeah yeah but flat uncurved yeah maybe not single curve yeah single curve yeah single curve should be fine 0 we have been nearly one you are left maybe no battery only solar cells i think there is a problem with the push button we only need maybe just one just a try yeah that is funny okay so we have one button yeah you have one button and one scroll wheel will push button on it and the vocal comment it is fine it is fine it is good they are not charging anything for a lot so yeah i think we have done a good job as the cost is 12 15 could we have looked at yeah actually it is wrong we are not under 12 the cost yeah but it is under or equal it is not written sometimes it is under or equal it is fine it is fine okay okay so let us see 12 50 yeah it is fine which part is the most expensive part solar cells the solar cells yeah i think it is not i think yeah but it would be interesting for our marketing team to make a lot of advertisement concerning the solar cells to be that is nice argument but yeah it is still 4 out of 12 yeah really very very expensive so maybe yeah but it would be technologically innovative so yeah but we just have one button so it is easy to use and powerful as the remote control has only one button easy i do not know about powerful yeah it is easy it is very easy to know i do not think we need to redesign the product 0 that is what we have just done we have done it if it was low higher so so okay now so what are we going to do with this project evaluation so i think we have just have to discuss it okay okay okay so did you enjoy your clay modeling yes of course this is my job was it a nice way to create your remote control yeah it is a good to create a control instead of a computer yeah i think i find it really funny and amazing and interesting to go through all the process to from the beginning to the end and designing looking at the chips solar cells and it was very informative for me and for the marketing guy that was good but we should have more brainstorming like meetings maybe because we are just presenting one he is presenting his stuff next one his stuff and then we try to combine afterwards so again and new ideas about new products maybe with which would be fashion and and yellow i think you can think about a yellow tv now after a food tv or i do not know yes just a lemon yeah the traditional tv is flat yeah it is flat square yeah the ship is very boring it is really boring could we come up with new tv such as this kind of tv so you can you have a triangle base so you can 0 the lemon tv with the pineapple remote control yeah that is really interesting yeah because the tv you 0 that is interesting we could do a kind of fruit collection of electronic things electronic device we just do not trust too much the the fruit because fruit and vegetables you will not last for 10 years yeah maybe 2 years will be insects but i think it is good to follow the flow and make it now and after you know if the people change their mind and you change it yeah but this is good because it is not a long life product tv is more like 15 years maybe so yeah yeah we can think about tv with you know where you can change you know the aspect so like for the cell phones you know customable you customize it every time so every time people just change the appearance yeah you can allow you can keep the global appearance yeah and following the mood of the person the fashion it is interesting maybe we can create a line of tv yeah tv for autumn and tv for winter so it is so what is it so i think the costs are within the project we are just yeah it is really €1250 so do you think you can celebrate your creation you can celebrate your leadership 0 thanks a lot thank you mister david jordan it is really a celebrating object so it is very happy yeah it is party remote control the thing there is to sell it yeah it is your job sell it and good luck so okay and good luck so okay and tell you 12 15 €15 yeah yeah i think it is 25 you are a little bit expensive no i am not so happy about the fruit chip you know really it should be it should be fine you know actually maybe you can do a test put it outside and if you can not do a test put it outside he is really fruit but do not put sugar on it it is not working no the colors are it is perfect yeah it is perfect and true yeah another thing is the logo is missing still yeah but the color i think the color is the most important because i do not think you have ever seen something like that before for remote control still that was one of the requirements we have yeah but i do not think it is such a problem just putting the logo somewhere we can put some double r we decided to have something yellow and red for the costs yeah so maybe we can just integrate it on one side the double r okay yeah that is a good idea so we have the logo we add the color and we have the fashion in electronics so we have the slogan too so we have give him a cute name okay yes mushroom control no it is the pineapple control you cannot say mushroom because it is not the train it is a pineapple now it is just changed it is a pineapple pine apple pine apple yeah just flying saucer with cherry on top okay 0 i would say flying saucer it is more appropriate it is more appropriate that is that is pineapple remote control i say it is fine would you buy one yeah i will try it i can not try to 25 i can have a trial version so to see how easy yeah you told me you lost your control yeah i already to need by my so if it is a universal i can use it with my tv one thing i like is the shape because you know it is not like the remote controls you can put it in your pocket in your jacket this one and this way what do you choose i prefer the laser remote control both your tooth i think i will feel this one because of the color it is okay it is light your house your home and your tv okay maybe next if we decide to do something we can put light inside yeah yeah that is going to be expensive you know yeah we had some problems going to €12 and it would be interesting to just to see if we can if people will buy this one and maybe add some pictures to it to want if it is a new trend okay that is fine so we can celebrate now our new product champagne syrii mister baba it is fine i like it so bye bye next time i will buy one here okay i will close this so i think we have finished the designing and the evaluation of our remote control and we have a nearly final product 0 final prototype final prototype final prototype right so thank you very much very productive okay thanks thank you okay thanks so who is going to take the remote that is a nice little let us be nice we can give it" ]

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have some like you d you could have the fonts you know special so so you have man in like in in in 10 in one font and then the 0 as like okay i think this is although you do not want to cut cut women out of the potential buyers though do you okay so yeah they are the most t v watcher so we should be careful yeah okay i think this is more a question of of i i think this is more a question of of look and feel but yeah it marketing something that should be addressed later we should we should go to other for the other topics yeah because if the product will be international well that is the thing we need to know who we are selling it to before we can really decide on a yeah okay so let us stick f to man mando for the name and we will see for the for the look and feel later so let us go for the 3 presentations right now so who want to start maybe maybe i should start so maybe we could start with the market yeah yeah okay okay so i have your slides somewhere yeah should be in participant 4 participant 4 this one yeah yeah s that is coming okay yeah yep great okay so yeah i will i will give a brief outline about what i what i prepared for this meeting for the functional requirements and especially for the for the user requirements i prepare a marketing report and we have to find the weaknesses and and the the improvements we could do to the current remote controls and also i di i did a study with for the incorporation of new technologies it seems that the remote controls have been have remained the same for the last 5 10 years there is no no significant difference between the the b the 1st new controls and okay yeah sh next slide okay yeah well more most of the people think that remote controls are ugly thoroughly so and they they admit that the the they should s they would spend more money in a fancier remote control which is which is good and it is interesting point also the people are worried about about the r s i disease which is if you repeat the sa the same movement which is not a with a not very appropriate device you you will have problems whe when you will get old so s people are are worried about the the shape of the of the remote control they are also they get angry very often because they lost the remote control very often so i think it would be a good point to to l to to find a a solution to any beep any alarm or something incorporated to with the remote control every time it it get lost and also i found that young people the the younger people are the more interested they are in incorporating new technologies in the in the remote control okay so in my opinion the mando this mando should not be very small because the smaller it is the more like the the liklier it is to get lost liklier or more likely more likely likely okay people also complain because they they they all have the same size of the buttons for buttons who w which are not very use like f memorizing channels or or this kind of actions which are not very often but they they should not they should not have the same importance in the in the in the remote cont in the remote control also the z the design should fit the hand shape so it may be interesting to to think in a in both prototypes for right and left handed people well th the on the thing is though most remote controls are used by more than one person so unless you are kind of targeting single people you know you are going to maybe yeah cut out some a lot of your market i dunno i th anyway i think it could be int interesting to to release some a a small fraction of of this remote controls well maybe it could be a universal design sorry a universal design which is which is good for both the hands yeah still shaped for yeah for your hand but not for a particular hand right yeah that is right whether it is left hand or right hand but but do not you think that the 2 points are clashing yeah one thing you are saying design should fit the hand shape and it should not be very small sorry the 1st and the 3rd point they are clashing well it can still be a you can still extend past the hand yeah yeah okay like so fitting the hand does not mean much then well it means like this remote here is kind of is very thin and long so instead of having you know you might have it kind of a bit bigger or yeah like you know with maybe some some finger molds or something so it means design should be similar to the traditional ones little sleek longer no no i was thinking of so like something yeah and it should fit the hand something with the shape of the palm some finger grips maybe yeah you could even have some buttons like you know on the sides and everything but on the sides yeah yeah it sh it should not it should not be symmetric symmetrical hm not anymore that is what yeah and then finally and finally the incorporation of a l c d or a speech recognition system in the remote control could also be interesting but i do not know if the budget would be large enough yeah yeah 1st i am just wondering about the l c d stuff because because but most of yeah most of the young people to 30 to 30 years old were really interested in this kind of technology yeah so maybe it is a good time for me to to bring you to some new new informations we had the new requirements from the so from the head offices of the company and so they wanted so they want to they would like to be restricted to t v yeah okay i dunno if you had this information already no no so they want us to restrict the remote control to t v only because of time limitations they want also actually this marketing report is restricted to t v remote controls excellent so we have also to focus more on the internet aspects because well well te teletext is outdated now and finally it should be clear that the corporate image that means colors and logos of the co our company should be clearly inde identified in the product i was still i was still working on this €25 price point because i think actually having looked at some of the remotes out there so this is quite a low price if if we are maybe i can get to this in my presentation though but yeah yeah yeah sure sure so maybe we can jump to your presentations right now yep okay okay so let us keep in mind about tha that that this last point about l c d and speech reco yeah i think even even if it was within budget do a speech reco rec system it might be a bit difficult because if you think if you are watching t v you are going to have a lot of this background noise from the t v which might interfere with the sorry what is your participant 3 you might have some background noise from the t v which will make the speech recognition much harder so yeah but you should be able to activate or disactivate so yeah yeah 0 you press a press a button to talk and the the t v the t v sound turns off yeah channel 50 yeah no it could be command control kind of thing it requir recognizes particular sequence and then it gets activated means you say you should say like does that remote control being on or be on kind of thing and then remote control comes in the picture for the speech recognition yeah because this kind of thing means speech is there from the t v also yeah so there should be something command controlled you start and then you stop yeah it is like v i editor you are having 2 modes similarly otherwise it is just lying idle okay michael okay so could i describe the mouse maybe be easier to could i use the mouse or sorry yeah thanks okay the wheel does not work great okay so while researching this this topic i 1st of all just thought of a couple of things that i would like to see in a remote and just looked to see if they are actually available in any current remotes and then also searched for which are the top rated remote controls on epinions dot com which is a a you know a a customer written basically review site so there is a pretty wide range of remote controls these days and and this remote control on the right here is is one of the more extravagant but it is not really it is by no means you know on it is own in being so expensive there are a lot of expensive remote controls out there looks like a p d a so yeah it doe it is well basically all the functions are controlled through through the l c d screen except for the really really kind of main functions which have a couple of of their own buttons and if you look at a lot of the universal remotes out on the market i know we are working on television remote but a lot of the universal remotes out there have have these l c d screens which kind of helps when you are using multiple devices i suppose because you can have multiple kind of functions d different functions on the screen at different times but the thing that i find most interesting about this remote control and it is kind of difficult to to see in the slide but it has a scroll wheel on it which is kind of like a mouse scroll wheel which i think is it is a really kind of important design aspect is it is cause the thing is what a what we the presen this presentation we had is what we want the remote control to actually do and obviously the the simplest thing that a remote control does is it just change the change the channel change the channels yeah now the i think that a scroll wheel is actually pretty a pretty handy way of of changing the channel cause i know when i when i use the remote to change the channel i very rarely use the numbers on the on the pad i usually use the up and down because most channels are you know 2 digit numbers and you have to press you know a special button to enter a 2 digit number yeah yeah and then 2 numbers so that is just it is annoying so i think a scroll wheel is is quite handy now the the scroll wheel is is much more useful if you have an l c d screen and this brings us to the the point you were mentioning before about the internet capability one possibility if we now we need to still talk about the price point because obviously a lot of this stuff can not be done for 25 eu euro but one possibility is to download program information into the l c d screen so that instead of actually saying i want to i want to go to channel 37 because i know this program is on you know often you do not know what ch what channel it is on or you do not know what is on if you have a list of of programs on your l c d screen you just scroll to that program rather than to a channel so if you think about it is kind of like a you know in mobile phones now you do not use you do not remember people is phone number you remember their name and you go find that name and ring it so this would be pretty kind of a handy thing to have but we we really need t to discuss the price so i mean there are there are cheaper this is another multi kinda purpose remote control where it is it is it is very simple there is only a few buttons but al each of those buttons does something different in a different context so this is something else we might want to consider is really kind of limiting the number of buttons because this is the top rating universal remote control on on epinions it it is really maybe worth thinking about limiting the number of buttons as much as as possible because really i think people want to be able to find the button they are looking for without even looking at the remote control and was saying before about having different size buttons for different you know frequently used tasks but i think also you know the location and and shape of the buttons is important but also the number of buttons so if you have too many buttons it it it increases the the difficulty of finding the one you want but there is one problem then the user has to understand each of that functionality so yeah well we w because the same button is doing too many things yeah well we will have a bit of a simpler task in that we are only doing a television remote control i think maybe one option is to have you know a little flip open door that that you have hidden most of the time but contains the extra buttons like say the number buttons for instance i i would if i had my perfect remote control i would probably just have no numbers at all on it because they are just in the way they do not really do anything maybe you know i although i do also find flip open doors a bit of a pain because sometimes they can break off or or whatever but maybe a door that you can you can permanantly remove or permanantly have on would be good but i think definitely you need to to keep the buttons down to a minimum but not not let that kind of interfere with the functionality of of the device h i think i think that the tr the transition to this to this new remote control should not be very very abrupt very hard because w if people see a remo see the see a remote control without numbers they will think it is very difficult to learn very difficult to very different build very different to the traditional it does sampling out of the well i guess that depends on how you market it if you if you have the right advertisement showing how how how easy it is and how you can if y you know navigate to a program without the numbers then people might say that looks pretty easy okay can you continue please mi so but yep okay so i think one of the really kind of useful things you can do with with internet connectivity would be to have this a program driven interface rather than the channel number so if we can have a higher priced remote control i think that would really be worth something that would be worth implementing there is the l c d screen which maybe maybe is too expensive but i think also at the scroll wheel i have not mentioned it here the scroll wheel could be used without an l c d screen just for changing channel numbers easily i think even that i mean that would be a fairly cheap thing compared to an l c d screen to implement but i think that would be quite useful as well and the other thing you say we need to we need to keep it just television but i think one maybe one option since this is supposed to be a kind of a fashionable device is you know there is a certain kind of cool or wow factor that you can kind of you can have with technology and maybe we want to make it something that is extensible to do other tasks say you have like a little another little kind of base unit that can also receive signals as well as the television where you can say change the lighting in the room you know that would be something maybe you could sell as an extra so that it does not have to be part of the initial development but you know later on you could you can you know you also selling the potential of the device then you say potentially you can then do other cool stuff like change the lights i dunno close the windows whatever turn the heating on and i think that is something we may need to have as as at least as an optional extra to to kinda make our product cool okay since we say we are putting the fashion in electronics okay okay thanks you want to go yep so yeah so most of the things which we are discussing about is speech recognition that means on my own i yeah it should be this one great no not that one you are 2 2 alright okay so the working design is user i interface could be of 2 types one is the usual press buttons which are there so that the user feels that he is knoing doing some he is knowing about that technology so he is pretty comfortable if he wants to get this and on top of that there there could be a speech recognition technology also being sitting on the on the remote so the old kind of users who do not want to have any changes it can it can be useful for them and the new users as our marketing expert was saying they can use the new gizmo which is speech recognition kind of thing okay sorry to interrupt you but we have seen before that there is a new way of interacting that use wheel that is right so anyway that did not come into my mind so th that is a possibility okay these could be other kind of interfaces means we can have depending on the cost how much we can afford we can have different kind of interfaces so spe buttons are something which is very everybody is familiar with so if you go to the market and you say that buttons are there the people know what it is and on top of that if we are having extra functionality people are willing to shell that €25 money which we are thinking otherwise we are just like others in the market so anyway that is the 1st user interface could be of more than one type and yeah that means we can do the on line changes which which cannot be done now actually so apart from the speech we can have the scroll kind of thing with the buttons now for buttons normal requirements like bit coding and all those things are required and for voice limited vocabulary automatic speech recognition system is required and we require a microphone also to be sitting there on the remote yeah that increases the the cost also that is right but means we have to see how much what kind of microphones and stuff like that do you think that performance of such systems are enough to to target well of such technologies is enough yes if it is limited vocabulary usually it is enough okay yeah we we can target means we can target 95% accuracy or somewhere 97 perc well wh i imagine also that the microphone will be an ambiance a an ambience microphones because you are not going to speak into into th into the remote control that is right no it it could be little d yeah it could be so it could be s a few centimeters well 11 other thing that that speech recognition could really blow out the price for is when you want to sell into other markets that is right that is right though because i am not sure exactly where we are going to sell this but i presume it is not going to just be english speaking countries yeah so then you have to s you know you have to train models for it is more like means there are different speech technologies which are existing so d t w could be kind of which is the easiest so you have to store some templates on the on the on the chip itself and it is just dynamic time warping where you try to find out what it is instead of having a model which has to be trained and being a micro controller yeah okay okay we shou we should discuss this la later after after after this this slide yeah that is right yeah so we can this is a this is a this is a a very important issue in discussion that is right yep okay next yep that finished no no components no components yeah so will you go to the next slide yes sure yeah so this is the design which we are thinking so we are having a power button and the switch which is not much and then we are having the which is to indicate whether the power is on or not and then there are 2 kind of things which can be so one is the button interface which has not been shown because because of lack of time so we could not put that so now where the a s r decoder is sitting similarly there are different kind of interfaces which could be there so there is a s r decoder which could be there and then there could be another scroll button scroll scroller and then there could be buttons and all of them they will just do the decoding and put it in the math put it in the proper message format and then there is there is the chip which is sitting the green one and it converts it into bit codes and that bit codes are sent by the infrared device to the receiver okay so this is the easiest design the there could be so th an a s r decoder we can have things in to have different technologies so this was the my personal preference was that we can have a s r sitting there on the remote control you know i guess you could actually train the remote control as you are using it by saying you know turn volume up yeah and you press the press the button like s people teach sign language to kids f well by speaking and doing yeah but as soon as you try to put the microchip kind of thing or something the price will go up okay yeah so these are the slight problems so your your opinion is that we should go for special condition technologies because yeah the reason is that if we go into the market means though i do not have much idea but as he the marketing expert presentation was i am sure if you can sell a a speech recognition remote control for €25 everyo everyone will s will buy it actually i am not so sure because i am the you know if i was using a remote control to say so if we go with just the i am sure turn the volume up because i can not hear it very well i do not really want to you know drown out what people are saying by talking you know when i am when i am instead of pressing up on on a remote control you know if there is some there is some dialog all of a sudden that i can not hear yeah i am trying to actually find out what is being said so maybe speech recognition gets in the way more than it helps okay so yeah but you know the the average frequency of pushing buttons it is about well it depends if it is a remote control th it is about 808080 pushes per hour or something like that maybe if the remote control is something that y you do not actually have to pick up anymore that would be a a useful feature of the speech recogntion if you can leave it sitting on the table and you do not actually have to find it then that could be okay gentlemens we have to take some deci decisions right now alright so if i if i kind of summarize everything we have de we we said we are targeting t v we need we need to have remote control which is fanc fancy which is which is easy to to hand not too small not too big we have or good shape yes with a good shape for the we should bring new technologies for young peoples and as we have also requirements to to use to to push thr toward the internet maybe this is something we can stick to it and also a very interesting things i i i have seen on on on the one of the comp 0 our competitor is this wheel that we can use to navigate so so my feeling is that re regarding costs budget we have an an an target price it is not possible to go s to go to l c d and also to go to automatic speech recognition technologies 1st m m why not to go to l c d because in fact as we are targeting t v in fact we can use t v screen as a screen to feedback to to give some feedback informations about what we could have well it depends though well it depends if we we do not unless we have some input some video input to the t v or we have control over the t v then we can not actually display that like if we if we produce the t v s then then yeah we can put you know menus up up there but otherwise we need to actually have some kind of something sitting in between the video signal and the and the t v to superimpose those those menus so that is an extra yeah that is right don do not you ha do not we have contacts with people on t v or or well systems that exist that we can use cost well this is this is another que we still have not really defined the remote are we still you say we are focusing on t v but is it still a kind of like a universal remote in that it is a replacement remote control or is this something for our own line of of televisions yeah cause that really makes a big difference cause even if we have contacts we can not really produce a remote control that can bring up menus on other other companies t v s it is just there are too many t v s out there it is it is not really going to yeah that is good point what is what cou what could be the cost of well could we fit the the targets in terms of cost if we go s to l c d on the remote control for €25 yeah it is not possible i think it is impossible it is impossible but but i dunno yeah i think it would be good to know if there is any leverage in that any leeway in that that €25 because for €25 i think all we can really do is provide a very basic remote control and that seems to be kind of against the philosophy of our company which is you know putting the fashion into electronics so i would i would like to know if there is any chance of of increasing the of increasing the unit price what would be so you mean yo you mean we we should target something maybe which is which would be more expensive but re really fancy in terms to in terms to had to have really an added value yeah yeah yeah because yeah okay so regarding the automatic speech recognition i think this is wha but what would be one question what would be the goal of putting an l c d in a remote control well th what what kind of information cause you can have things like the program name instead of the channel numbers like an interactive program guide yeah but mo most of the t v s nowadays show the show the they have tele teletext well because they have teletext on it the n th th you have a teletext sin signal that you can that you can that you can get thr through the channel yeah but yeah most of the t v s have teletext nowadays they have t most of them have teletext yeah but we want to get rid well one of our requirements is to to move to teletext to to the use of internet so to to you can get a lot more information on it to browse more easily the teletext for instance through through your remote control so what would what would appear in the in the l c d so you could have the name of the program you could have the start time you know where it is up to the ti the start time all the p all the programs you could have 0 you could have a l even a little image of you know the c you know the the m the main actors or something so you can quickly just kind of even without reading okay well i do not know if this information is available from teletext also well no but there are the electronic program guides out there are they may not have pictures but maybe they do there is dependi it also depends on the country well because for the same reason that we cannot informations on the t v we c we could not grab information information which is not there no but i mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from so it may be possible that there are people out there providing that so so that mean w w we need an in an extra internet connection to use the remote control but if you want to browse in addition to the t v or or it should be a special t v connected to yeah well i i think if we are going to i think we would definitely need the internet connection because even with y i do not think you could even get teletext information from the t v onto the remote control especially if we do not control the t v i dunno we need to find that out okay we need to close the meeting so but just a small thing what kind of market we are targeting very quickly is it that we are targeting the replacement remote market or what so the remote has gone bad and the person wants to buy a new remote or because the cost of l c d thing could be as high as the t v itself that is very important no if it is a really small t v maybe yeah well people go to buy another remote control when they broke n broke their broke okay okay and they want to go t for universal one and they take the fanciest they can have okay okay okay okay so this is that we z that that we should target so the com the the the committment is the following we do not go for speech recognition technology the l c d is still on disk is still open to discussion it is up to you to go through this this way and to to report report me back next meeting so i think that the speech recognition technology would be cheaper the than the l c d it is it is cheaper as compared to the l c d yeah but not sure maybe it is cheaper but we have no because with the l c d you need more requirements you need a internet connection you need m more things but for the speech recognition you you do not need anything well the thing is i think i think the type of peop you just say channel 50 and that is it i think the type of people that are going to want to buy a very stylish rem r remote control with lots of new technologies are the kinda people that are going to have you know a wireless internet connection maybe or a you know but then we should move to another target b because at $25 it is means th yeah €25 is yeah that is right well this is what we need to find out can we can we increase the the price point of this remote control cause otherwise we need okay this is this is an open question for you yeah this is up to you to tell us but i am definitely not keen on to to no no no i am no i am definit definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies to move to another target i am not confident enough i am not sure that that we will have a product really that work i that work it is kind of hard to guarantee that you are going to it is real yeah how to guarantee such performances is really hard the expert said 95% 95% is not good enough though well this is still is is very bad so this is the end of this discussion next meeting here are the task you have to work on so you have to work on the component concept okay you have to work on user interface and you have to go through a trend watching okay so the question is still open about the l c d thing we i hope that next meeting we will we will take some decision that direction thanks yep bye" ]

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[ "okay okay okay okay okay okay okay is it center okay i am not okay everybody is ready good morning again so today we are going to have a 2nd meeting 0 michael hi you are late you have a good reason for that yes very good ok let us have a look to the agenda today so we are going to have a meeting about the functional design so 1st before starting i am just going to go quickly through the minutes of previous meeting so basically we were not decided if we should go for a universal or specific remote control but i have new inputs about that topics i am going to share with you and basically we decided to go to individual actions for each of you so industrial designer should work we are supposed to work on the working design you should just you prepare something for us the ue guy also work on that yeah and for our marketing experts should deliver some specs some specs all right so so we are going to go through 3 of your individual presentations but 1st i would like quickly to to decide of to give a name to the project so i just put it quickly or remote but if you have any other names that we could could decide for just to keep something fun for our project we should we could discuss quickly any ideas i have heard the power stick power stick yeah what else what else what else maybe a spanish name especially if we are selling into the us market because there is a lot of spanish speakers there maybe something that sounds cool in english but sounds funny in spanish mando mando mango mando mando m a m a yeah d 0 d 0 okay it does not it does not sound cool for me but maybe for spanish for i 4 what does it mean in spanish control control because it also like in english it sounds like you know the man is tool you know because you know men like to have control with the remote so mando sounds latino okay so let us go for mando yeah no objection great maybe we could have some like you could have the fonts you know special so you have man and like in in in one in one font and then the 0 is like okay i think you do not want to cut out of the potential buyers 0 so yeah they are the most tv watcher so we should be careful okay i think this is more a question of but if i think this is more a question of look and feel something that should be addressed later we should go to because the product will be international well that is the thing we need to know who we are selling it too before we can really decide on yeah okay so let us take to mando for the name and we will see for the look and feel later so let us go for the 3 presentations right now so we want to start so maybe i should start maybe we could start with the market here yeah okay so i have your slide somewhere yeah should be in participant 4 participant 4 this one yeah that is coming yeah okay great okay so yeah i will give a brief outline about what i prepare for this meeting for the functional requirements and especially for the user requirements i prepare a marketing report and and just to find the weaknesses and the improvements we could do to the current remote controls and also i did a study with for the incorporation of new technologies it seems that the remote controls have been have remained the same for the last 5 10 years there is no significant significant difference between the 1st new controls next slide well most of the people think that remote controls are ugly directly and they admit that they would spend more money in a fancier remote control which is good it is an interesting point also the people are worried about the rasi disease which is if you repeat the same movement which is not a very appropriate device you will have problems when you will get all so people are worried about the shape of the remote control they are also they get angry very often because they lost the remote control very often so i think it would be a good point to find a solution to any beep any alarm or something cooperated with the remote control every time it gets lost and also i found that young people the younger people the more interested they are in incorporating new technologies in the remote control okay so in my opinion the mando this mando should not be very small because the smaller it is the more like the the likelier is to get lost liklier or more likely people also complain because they all have the same size of the buttons for buttons which are not very used like memorizing channels or all these kind of actions which are not very often but they should they should not have the same importance in the remote control in the remote control also the design should fit the hand shape so it may be interesting to think in both prototypes for right and left handed people well the only thing is though most remote controls are used by more than one person so unless you are kind of targeting single people you know you are going to maybe cut out some a lot of your market i do not know anyway i think it could be interesting to release a small fraction of this remote control sorry a universal design which is good for both the hands yeah still shaped for your hand but not for a particular hand that is right yeah whether it is left hand or right hand but do not you think that the 2 points are clashing one thing you are saying design should fit the hand shape and it should not be very small sorry the 1st and the 3rd point they are clashing well it can still be a big you can still extend past the hand yeah okay like so fitting the hand does not mean much then well it means like this remote here is kind of it is very thin and long so instead of having you know you might have it kind of a bit bigger or you know with maybe some finger molds or something so it means design should be similar to the traditional ones little sleek longer no no i was thinking of like something the shape of the pan some finger grips maybe you could even have some buttons like you know on the side it should not be symmetrical not anymore and then finally and finally the incorporation of lcd or a speech recognition system in the remote control could also be interested but i do not know if the budget would be large enough yeah 1st time just wondering about the lcd stuff but most of the young people to 30 to 30 years old were really interested in this kind of technology yeah so maybe it is a good time for me to to bring you to some new new informations we had the new requirements from the so from the head offices of the company and so they wanted so they want to they would like to be restricted to tv yeah okay i do not know if you had this information already no no so the one has to restrict the remote control to tv only because of time limitations they want also actually this marketing report is restricted to tv remote controls excellent so we have also to focus more on the internet aspects because well teletext is outdated now and finally it should be clear that the corporate image that means colors and logos of the car company should be clearly identified in the product are we still working on this €25 price point because i think actually having looked at some of the remotes out there this is quite a low price if we are maybe i can get to this in my presentation though but yeah yeah so sure maybe you can jump to your presentations right now ok so let us keep in mind about this last point about lcd and speech i think even if it was within budget to speech rec system it might be a bit difficult because if you think if you are watching tv you are going to have a lot of this background noise from the tv which might interfere with the sorry what is your following participant 3 you might have some background noise from the tv which will make the speech recognition much harder yeah but you should be able to activate or deactivate so yeah press a button to talk and the tv channel 50 turns off yeah no it could be command control kind of thing it requires recognizes particular sequence and then it gets activated means you should say like this that remote control being on or be on kind of thing and then remote control comes into the picture for the speech recognition because this kind of thing means speech is there from the tv also so there should be something command controlled you start and then you stop it is like via editor you are having 2 modes similarly otherwise it is just lying idle okay michael okay so could i just grab the mouse maybe it would be easier to could i use the mouse yeah thanks okay the wheel does not work great okay so so while researching this topic i 1st of all just thought of a couple of things that i would like to see in a remote and just look to see if they are actually available in any current remotes and then also search for which are the top rated remote controls on epinions com which is a customer written basically review site so there is a pretty wide range of remote controls these days and this remote control on the right here is one of the more extravagant but it is not really it is by no means on its own in being so expensive there are a lot of expensive remote controls out there it looks like a pda yeah it does well basically all the functions are controlled through the lcd screen except for the really kind of main functions which have a couple of their own buttons and if you look at a lot of the universal remotes out on the market i know we are working on television remote but a lot of the universal remotes out there have lcd screens which kind of helps when you are using multiple devices i suppose because you can have multiple kind of functions different functions on the screen at different times but the thing that i find most interesting about this remote control and it is kind of difficult to see in this light but it has a scroll wheel on it which is kind of like a mouse scroll wheel which i think is a really kind of important design aspect because the thing is what we this presentation about is what we want the remote control to actually do and obviously the simplest thing that remote control does is it just changes the channel now i think that a scroll wheel is actually a pretty handy way of changing the channel because i know when i when i use a remote to change the channel i very rarely use the numbers on the pad i usually use the up and down because most channels are you know 2 digit numbers and you have to press a special button to enter a 2 digit number and then the number so it is just it is annoying so i think a scroll wheel is quite handy now the scroll wheel is much more useful if you have an lcd screen and this brings us to the point you were mentioning before about the internet capability one possibility now we need to still talk about the price point because obviously a lot of this stuff can not be done for €25 but one possibility is to download program information into the lcd screen so then instead of actually saying i want to go to channel 37 because i know this program is on you know often you do not know what channel it is on or you do not know what is on if you have a list of programs on your lcd screen you just scroll to that program rather than to a channel so if you think about it is kind of like you know in mobile phones now you do not use you do not remember people is phone number you remember the name and you go find that name and ring it so this would be pretty kind of handy thing to have but we really need to discuss the price so i mean they are they are cheaper this is another multi purpose remote control where it is very simple there is only a few buttons but each of those buttons does something different in a different context so this is something else we might want to consider is really kind of limiting the number of buttons because this is the top rating universal remote control on e pinions it is really maybe worth thinking about limiting the number of buttons as much as possible because really i think people want to be able to find the button they are looking for without even looking at the remote control and guillermo was saying before about having different size buttons for different you know frequently used but i think also the location and shape of the buttons is important but also the number of buttons so if you have too many buttons it increases the difficulty of finding but there is one problem is then the user has to understand each of that functionality yeah well we will because the same button is doing to anything yeah well we will have a bit of a simpler task in that we are only doing a television remote control i think maybe one option is to have you know a little flip open door that you have hidden most of the time that contains the extra buttons like say the number buttons for instance i i would if i had my perfect remote control i would probably just have no numbers at all on it because they are just in the way they do not really do anything maybe you know i although i do also find flip open doors a bit of a pain because sometimes they can break off or whatever but maybe a door that you can you can permanently remove or permanently have on would be good but i think definitely you need to keep the buttons down to a minimum but not let that kind of interfere with the functionality of the device i think that the transition to this new remote control should not be very abrupt very hard because if people see a remote control without numbers they will think it is very difficult to learn very difficult to very different to the traditional it depends on how you market it if you have the right advertisement showing how easy it is and how you can navigate to a program without the numbers then people might say that looks pretty easy okay can you continue yeah please mike okay so i think one of the really kind of useful things you can do with internet connectivity would be to have this a program driven interface rather than the channel number so if we can have a higher priced remote control i know it would really be worth something that would be worth implementing there is the lcd screen which maybe maybe it is too expensive but i think also the scroll will i have not mentioned it here the scroll wheel could be used without an lcd screen just for changing channel numbers easily i think even that i mean that would be a fairly cheap thing compared to an lcd screen to implement but i think that would be quite useful as well and the other thing thing you said we need to we need to keep it just television but i think one maybe one option since this is supposed to be a kind of a fashionable device is you know there is a certain kind of cool or wow factor that you can kind of you can have with technology and maybe we want to make it something that is extensible to do other tasks say you have like a little another little kind of base unit that can also receive signals as well as the television where you can say change the lighting in the room you know that would be something maybe you could sell as an extra so that it does not have to be part of the initial development but you know later on you could you can you know you are also selling the potential of the device and you say potentially you can then do other cool stuff like change the lights i do not know close the windows whatever turn the heating on and i think that is something we may need to have as at least is an optional extra to kind of make our product cool since we say we are putting the fashion in electronics okay okay thanks yeah you want to go yeah give me so most of the things which you are discussing about a speech recognition i mean this is my own i yeah it should be great no no that one that is your 2 do okay so the working design is user interface could be of 2 times one is the usual press buttons which are there so that the user feels that he is knowing doing something he is knowing about the technology so he is pretty comfortable if he wants to get this and on top of that there could be a speech recognition technology also being sitting on the remote so the old kind of users who do not want to have any changes it can it can it can be useful for them and the new users as our marketing expert was saying they can use the new giz mode which is speech recognition kind of thing okay sorry to interrupt you but we have seen before that there is a new way of interacting that use will that is right so anyway that did not come into my mind okay that is a possibility these could be other kind of interfaces means we can have depending on the cost how much we can afford we can have different kind of interfaces so buttons are something which is very everybody is familiar with so if you go to the market and you say that buttons are there the people know what it is and on top of that if we are having extra functionality people are willing to shell the €25 money which we are thinking otherwise we are just like others in the market so anyway that is the 1st user interface could be of more than one type and yeah that means we can do the online changes which cannot be done now actually so apart from the speech we can have the scroll kind of thing with the buttons now for buttons normal requirements like bit coding and all those things are required and for voice limited vocabulary automatic speech recognition system is required and we require a microphone also to be sitting there on the remote yeah that increases the cost also that is right but means we have to see how much what kind of microphones and stuff like that do you think performance of such systems are enough to target well of such technologies is enough yes if it is limited vocabulary usually it is enough okay we we can target means we can target 95% accuracy or somewhere 90 well i imagine also that the microphone will be an ambient microphone that is right you are not going to speak no it could be a few centimeters that is right one other thing that speech recognition could really blow out the price for is when you want to sell into other markets because i am not sure exactly where we are going to sell this but i presume it is not just going to be english speaking countries so then you have to train models for it is more like means there are different speech technologies which are existing so dtw could be kind of which is the easiest so you have to store some templates on the chip itself and it is just dynamic time warping where you try to find out what it is instead of having a model which is to be trained and being a microcontroller okay we should we should discuss us later after after after this this slide so this is a this is a very important issue that is right discussion yeah okay next yeah it finished no no components components yeah so we will go to the next slide yes sure yeah so so this is the design which we are thinking so we are having the power button and the switch which is not much and then we are having the bulb with us which is to indicate whether the power is on or not and then there are 2 kinds of things which can be so one is the button interface which has not been shown because of lack of time so we could not put that so now where the asr decoder is sitting similarly there are different kind of interfaces which could be there so there is asr decoder which could be there and then there could be another scroll button scroll scroller and then there could be buttons and all of them they will just do the decoding and put it in the put it in the proper message format and then there is the chip which is sitting the green one and it converts it into bitcodes and that bitcodes are sent by the infrared device to the receiver okay so this is the easiest design that they could be so in asr decoder we can have things in parallel to have different technologies so this was the my personal preference was that we can have asr sitting there on the remote control yeah i guess you could actually train the remote control as you are using it by saying you know turn volume up and you press the press the button like people teach sign language the kids well yeah but speaking as as you try to put a microchip kind of thing or something the price will go up yeah so these are the slight problems so your your opinion is that we should go for space recognition technology the reason is that if we go into the market means though i do not have much idea but as he the marketing expert presentation was i am sure if you can sell a speech recognition remote control for €25 every one will buy it so if you are not sure i am sure i am sure well if i was using remote control to say turn the volume up because i can not hear it very well i do not really want to you know do not really want to drown out what people are saying by talking you know when i am instead of pressing up on the remote control you know there is some dialog all of a sudden that i can not hear i am trying to actually find out what is being said so maybe speech recognition gets in the way more than it helps okay so yeah but you know the average frequency of passion bottoms it is about well it depends if it is a remote control it is about 80 80 patches per hour or something like that maybe if the remote control is something that you do not actually have to pick up anymore that would be a useful feature of the speech recognition if you can leave it sitting on the table and you do not actually have to find it then that could be okay gentlemen we have to take some decisions right now alright so if i kind of summarize everything we said we are targeting tv we need to have remote control which is fancy which is easy to hand not to spoil not too big we have with a good shape for the a good shape yes we should bring new technologies for young people is and as we have also requirements to use to push towards the internet maybe this is something we can stick to it it and also very interesting things i have seen on one of the our competitors is this wheel that we can use to navigate so my feeling is that regarding costs budgets we have and target price it is not possible to go to lcd and also to go to automatic speech recognition technologies 1st why not to go to lcd because in fact as we are targeting a tv in fact we can use tv screen as a screen to give some feedback information about what we could have well it depends if we do not unless we have some input some video input to the tv or we have control over the tv then we can not actually display that like if we produce the tv is then then yeah we can put menus up you know menus up there there but otherwise we need to actually have some kind of something sitting in between the video signal and the tv to superimpose those those menus so that is an extra yeah that is right do not you do not we have contacts with people in tv or or system well systems that exist well this is this is another we still have not really defined the remote are we still you said we are focusing on tv but is it still kind of like a universal remote in that it is a replacement remote control or is there something for our own line of televisions because that really makes a big difference because even if we have context we can not really produce remote control that can bring up menus on other other companies tvs it is just there are too many tvs out there yeah it is not really good point what is what cool what could be the cost of well could we fit the targets in terms of cost if we go to lcd and remote control for €25 i think it is impossible it is impossible but i think it will be good to know if there is any leverage in that any leeway in that €25 because for €25 i think all we can really do is provide a very basic criminal control and that seems to be kind of against the philosophy of our company which is you know putting the fashion into electronics so i would like to know if there is any chance of increasing the of increasing the unit price so you mean we should target something maybe which is which would be more expensive but really fancy in terms to in terms to have really an added value yeah because yeah so regarding the automatic speech recognition i think this is one question what would be the goal of putting an lcd in a remote control what kind of information because you can have things like the program name instead of the channel number it is like an interactive program most of the tvs nowadays show the they have teletext well because they have teletext on it you have a teletext signal that you can that you can get through yeah but most of the tvs have teletext nowadays they have most of them have teletext but we want to get read well one of our requirements is to move to teletext to the use of internet so to you get a lot more information to browse more easily the teletext for instance through your remote control so what would what would appear in the in the lcd so you could have the name of the program you could have all the programs you could have even a little image of you know the okay you know the the main actors or something so you can quickly just kind of even without reading i do not know if this information is available from teletext also well no but there are other electronic program guides they may not have pictures but maybe they do there is depending it also depends on the country for the same reason that we cannot overlay information on the tv we could not grab information information which is not there no but i mean with the internet you have flexibility of where you get your information from so it may be possible that there are people out there providing that so that means we need an extra internet connection to use a remote control if you want to browse yeah in addition to the tv or i should be a special tv connection well i think if we are going to i think we would definitely need the internet connection because even with i do not think you could even get teletext information from the tv onto the remote control especially if we do not control the tv i do not know we need to find that out okay we need to close the meeting so just a small thing what kind of market we are targeting is it that we are targeting the replacement remote market or what so the remote has gone bad and the person wants to buy a new remote or because the cost of lcd thing could be as high as the tv itself that is very important if it is a really small tv people go to buy another remote control when they broke broke okay broke their own and they want to go for universal one and they take the fanciest they can have so this is that we should target so the commitment is the following we do not go for speech recognition technology the lcd is still open to discussion it is up to you to go through this way and to report me back next meeting so i think that the space recognition technology would be cheaper than the lcd yeah but not sure maybe it is cheaper but we have no because with the lcd you need more requirements you need internet connection you need more things but for the speed recognition you do not need anything you say channel 50 and that is it i think the type of people that are going to want to buy a very stylish remote control with lots of new technologies are the kind of people that are going to have you know a wireless internet connection maybe or but then we should move to another target because i have $25 dollars hits what we need to find out can we increase the the price point of this control because otherwise we need okay this is a good this is a no one question for you yeah this is up to you to tell us but i am definitely not keen on to move to another target to no no no i am not i am definitely definitely not keen on going to speech recognition technologies i am not confident enough i am not sure that that we have a product really that work that work it is kind of hard to guarantee that you are going to yeah how to guarantee such performances it is very hard the expert said 95% 95% is not good enough it is very bad so this is the end of this discussion next meeting you are the task you have to work on so you have to work on the component concept okay you have to work on user interface face and you have to go through a trend watching okay so the question is still open about the lcd thing we i hope that next meeting we will we take some decision that direction thanks bye i am going to" ]

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[ "it fell off 1234 yeah we are ready okay welcome to this 2nd meeting it is now quarter after 12 and we are given 40 minutes for this meeting this is a meeting on functional design and i want to welcome you all and thank you all for doing some research in between i did took the minutes from the 1st meeting and i will show them to you in a moment i know each of you have a presentation and in thinking about the 40 minutes i thought it would take only like 3 minutes for the previous minutes each of you having about 7 minutes or maybe a little more maybe a little less for your pre presentations and a little discussion because there is i happen to have been told there were some new project requirements and we have to make some decision on what functions it will have okay is this ap everybody agree with this yes oops yes okay and after the meeting there will be things to be done and as you can see it says we get to get lunch and then some more individual work and then putting minutes away and individual actions but now for the minutes of the 1st meeting and go to that one as you can see it was this earlier today kate steph sarah and myself in our 4 capacities were present i opened the meeting the product was developed and reviewed and we talked about the financial end of it and it had some implications the 4000000 sales target and new ideas of not too many buttons bright colors and some of the influence of the japanese and we closed early so you could then proceed with your research and getting your reports together for tod this meeting anybody have any questions on those minutes are they complete did they discuss everything that we covered last time kay i think so we we we talked about the the individual roles that we each had as well did i miss something yeah i am afraid i incorporated that when i said who was present but yes we did okay and we did a little bit of team building of of making the pictures but i did not think those were appropriate to the minutes necessarily so as a group i think we have are they are accepting the minutes okay i accept the minutes and okay is that what we are supposed to say yeah yeah i do good then we will move to the 3 presentations okay okay okay we need to move this who wants to go f 1st that is as far as it goes not really meant to touch those microphones 0 it does not have any on does it that is fine excellent thank you oy big loop under the table she said we did not need to screw it in okay okay that looks good it is doing its thing there we are alright thank you very much one of the the biggest issues i found about from last meeting was the fact that we need to sell 4000000 of these remote controls and i think that this is an opportunity to really take real reaction in the direction of of similar of handheld tools that have been used and are used by many of us and to kind of bring the remote control into the si same realm as an accessible useful electronic device as opposed to something that is lost in the couch and what have you so my main goal here is to re envision the remote control in in this context and to think about menu functionality and current technology and the fact that it could be interactive with other tools some of the research in the market has shown that people really are not happy with remote controls as they are now and that means we do need to make some decisions about what what keys or or buttons on the on the remote control to perhaps keep and and what ones to discard and if we devote some energy into this i think the recent productions of real reaction the i go everywhere power and the high definition d v d players although it makes immediate sense to have our remote control interact with these i think we can also use this as a platform to make it interact with other tools and in fact i think the high definition d v d players and all of this will come along in the will only benefit from the positive feedback from our well designed tool so again most users really dislike the current look and feel of remote controls 50% i think of all these numbers the most important is 50% of user say they only use 10% of the buttons and 80% of users and if we think about this there are a lot of television d v d stereo remote control users out there 80% would spend more money on a remote control that looks fancy could can i ask where these figures come from is this market research we have it was market research and there were a 100 people in the room so 80 out of a 100 said they would spend more money now in between as the project manager they sent me an email from the powers that be that teletext is outdated and the internet is coming in as important but that they want this remote control to only be for t v with incorporating the corporate image color and slogan well i think we can i i think we can really focus on this remote and and again bring the real reaction brand in in and and get some positive marketing for our other tools even if we directly do not advertise for the i go everywhere line so an interesting element was the would you pay more for speech recognition question so these market research questionnaires looked into your your concern about technology and s specifically wanted to find out information about speech recognition okay now the early adopters those of us who grew up with technology and luck lucky for us have the cash to to pay for it the young age group without the mortgages and responsibilities 91% of them would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control very interesting i i leave this up to the group to decide if we want to use this if and you know the the designers but 91% 15 to 25 is that a large enough target market to target it well i i i think especially in terms of growth i think this would be a very smart group to target i mean s 3 quarters of the next age group 25 to 35 are interested and with the technologies improving if we can get these in real numbers does the 91% and the 76% translate to ex in excess of the 4000000 yeah to yes or 8000000 yes but would you pay more and does it work and is it approachable and and did i know that it was it was an that is a that is a very good question yeah i do not know if speech recognition should be should be included but i think it is an interesting i think that maybe shows more about being open to technology it definitely needs a lot more research on like how much more it would be and any shall i go back yeah yeah you know existing examples and what reactions to them have been and that sort of thing yeah how d i am wondering how how ou how our target price compares with the the typical price of these things i expect an industrial designer should know that but if we are aiming to to build this thing for €12 50 is that a lot or a little exactly i mean i i i did not receive any information on that but i think the competition sussing out what other people are doing and what is in the pipeline is very very important because there is a question about do you want an l c d screen and and that was not responded to but some of the larger remotes do have screens where you can navigate you know so it turns into something perhaps you all have seen the osbournes where ozzy osbourne is is attempting to manage his super entertainment system with something that looks like a a small tray sh surely he is in the wrong age group you know it is i a and i think you know he must be w one of a s small population no no you kate you are exactly right there but i think the key is to get the early adopters people who are familiar with technology and and they will be but we are not looking at whether they are early adopters on that screen that is looking at age groups exactly i yes and i am making and i am making the the leap that people who are familiar younger people are l are more familiar with technology than than older people leap or comfortable you know so okay you had the other power channel i think the most important thing is an attractive streamlined remote control and to be extraordinarily reductionist power channel volume and everything else is is up to the designers and this is this is also supported by the market research okay thank you that is my contribution alright and we will turn to the next presentation i think she said we do not need to screw it in just stick it in and then press what f f n and f 8 next to the control button on the bottom and then f 8 at the top yeah press them and then w be patient yeah here we go tada and if you want it to go into slide show mode it is that little button there can i not just do each one in order i you can if you like it it that that just sets it up to do a p a p no that one that one there there we are that yay that left left a bit left a bit that one yep that and then you just press the click when you want to go on right technical functions design well i think 1st off basically i do agree with what sarah has defined as as your personal i think we need a more streamlined volume with no extraneous functions so my method was to look at the existing remotes and what functions they have and what we all need to discuss is whether we want these functions pretty much the same as what existing remotes have if we can build on this with the speech recognition that is not something i would thought about at all but it is also something we can discuss okay and and i presume we can miss out the functions really to to a video or d v d remote control if this is only going to be a you know satellite cable t v t v only remote control so these are 2 models of existing remote controls the one on the left ugh seems to be a fairly standard universal remote control it has fast forward stop play all relating to movies it also has seems to have channel up and channel down which is which is more what you would expect from a you know like a sky or cable remote control where you have got 100s of channels instead of a merely terrestrial one but i think we should be looking more along the lines of the one on the right which has it also has play stop and pause and everything i do not think we need them at all i think we just need channel selection volume up volume down and i think an an enter function where you can access it is not like teletext but along the same lines access things on the screen not related to the internet one that you mentioned because that would be far outside our budget and what we want this to do and exceed the requirements they are expecting of us so it really exceed the requirements cause the requirements really are just want to be able to change channels and functions which is more a text on the screen thing than than actual buttons 0 i was thinking something some smooth okay sleek little remote control with big user friendly buttons and a menu that you can access alright but then i do think we need to discuss the speech recognition possibility okay any thing else you want to add no okay but we could go back to the pictures of the what are they called the pictures of the remote controls and possibly discuss what we think about them but maybe should hear what kate has to say 1st or if yeah yeah let us hear what kate has to say okay then maybe afterwards we could do a whiteboard with that your the one on the right as a as a basis whiteboard session i think the white that one on the right is as well as less cluttered definitely less cluttered and i mean but still it is sorry i was just i will just resume something else i was going to say it is there but it is the the style of these is terrible yeah i i i really think we need to not only possibly even materials like the type of plastic used but everything including size and shape of buttons positioning of buttons the actual shape of the hand held device colors the ergonomics the way it fits in your just every e yeah everything to do with this has to be revolutionized yeah but so that is that for now cheers i have not actually got a display on my screen okay still i will do without that okay now i want to bring us down to earth again i am afraid and talk about the actual practicalities of how the thing needs to work 0 and this is the methodology i used in preparing for this meeting basically i have been doing a little bit of web based research and if i had a design team i would have been discussing my ideas with em but the the net result is that i have come up with a 1st cut for the working design that i would like to discuss with you so let us go back to what the basic function of a remote control is it is for sending a message typically via infrared and the the basic components we have got to build in for our €12 50 are an energy source the user interface and which will in incorporate an integrated circuit that actually composes the message based on what the which buttons the user presses we turn that into a message and then we need a sending mechanism to send it to the receiver now i would have hoped i think that is my only slide actually yeah i would have have hoped to do you a pretty powerpoint slide of my 1st cut design but unfortunately the technology defeated me so if you will bear with me i will do it on the whiteboard so we want an energy source which is there and we have got to think about what that might be we obviously do not want wires on this thing typically it would be a battery but i am open to suggestions and then we have the the user interface oops and the main components in there are the the th the chip that actually has the intelligence of the machine that translates button presses into a message which it then transfers to some sending mechanism which encodes it and sends the message to the receiver so those are the basic things that we have got to get in for our €12 50 thank you okay right but those things as long as we can get those components the block that that rectangle for the user interface is where the user comes in of what what does it look like what do the buttons look like what does it feel like that is where the user interface is really coming into its own the technical end is what is actually going to be in there but also it has to be easy enough to change or repair if something goes wrong for example the battery energy source or what if the chip for whatever reason breaks down after a certain amount of time do you just replace it is there any because it may be in the same area with several other user interfaces like for d v d s movies whatever does it have to have a a way of being segregated from the others in a different frequency or something well i may be wrong here but i had been thinking of this device as being a a cheap mass produced device we are trying to sell 4000000 of em that is that is you know that is almost one in every 10th household or whatever it is and i had not thought of it as being a reparable thing you just if it goes wrong you chuck it out and that is why i am a bit concerned okay i like the idea of speech recognition that is a great idea but i am not convinced we can put it into this box for the price that we need going to need to hit do we have whoop okay ki some idea of how much it would cost to create a device that has these basic elements is not that your job because then 0 no the chip composer marketing 0 right 0 no the chip composer sender i i do not believe i know i am i am i am hoping that my personal coach is going to give me some advice on that if you are asking me but what they cost okay okay be because then we would ha ha figure out how much we had to play with in terms of user interface and this look and feel idea yeah yeah it does it does seem as if we are just to do something really simple and mass produced the which is pretty much the same as these existing models just maybe inspired a little bit more inspired but basically just the same although what what suddenly came into my head is you know how they always take 2 a a batteries which which is really not very efficient at all could it be possible to have you know like a rechargeable internal battery like well like an m p 3 player does with that you could jus or a mobile phone or whatever you could you know you just plug into a power source for a couple of hours and then it is recharged for ages and ages and ages and you do not have to worry with replacing a a batteries which are well that has another element which is if every time you are done using the remote you put it on a charger then you then it has a place you would never need batteries would y yeah yeah but it also has a place so exactly and it is not stuck down the back of the sofa but then again i d i do not know if this is within our price range or not that is a really good idea well i think that is a very interesting idea but i am not a very good industrial designer and i do not know much about what these things cost i will do some research for the next meeting well it is better than my idea about solar probably okay yeah well solar may not be so good when you are watching t v in the night but yeah yeah well it is just so annoying how depen it would have to sor store up the energy yeah yeah i guess and then use it solar can do that we may be talking quite heavy then yeah m yeah that would be too heavy and it would cost too much no but just a rechargeable internal battery would probably i mean it might cost more to at 1st to develop and to install but for long term use it will be so much more convenient and economic than fiddling around trying to replace chunky a a batteries and not having any in your kitchen drawer and so do you think we might make that a selling point if it was something that we found we could afford to develop you know f definitely cause i am thinking in terms of the loss and breakage of remotes how much of that is is to do with it not really having a a home a a nest a place to live exactly sort of have its little dock that you could put it in yeah so if you can dock it you know you could s argue that this is and the dock could look very fancy and that could be your inspiration of having it looking decent exactly still i do not know if it is quite within our price range cause you are talking about another component like another piece of hardware yeah yeah okay are we agreed as to what our target group is though pretty much so that we would be looking for the younger end well i i brought up some exactly but i think you raised some good questions about are there enough of these people out there or are they making purchasing decisions you know these are the yeah i was wondering that because i ag i agree that there there are people with how can i put it more money than sense and who are liable to buy something new but i i s usually put more money than brains yeah exactly bu but what i was going to say was 000 i will make a note of that kate good good comment although they they may be buying you know personal music devices and all that are they necessarily buying t v remote controls because they probably live in a household that has a t v if they are at the lower end of the age range i do not know yeah it might be good to know who you know who is actually buying televisions and are we in a s yeah region where people have more than one television in a home i think we have got a big hill to climb here have not we i mean we have got to persuade people who have got a remote control cause it came with the telly that they should buy our product instead yeah yeah yeah or do we s make sure that it goes to the man through the manufacturer we sell to the manufacturer as the remote that goes with it right good point yeah yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that is probably more what it is yeah good point what would be a more efficient way of doing it yeah and and some of our d v d players incidentally have them because we have the relationship with our own department but moreover we need to to go for the the manufacturers okay we are not going to get any resolutions by the end of the day are we right probably not the other thing that we are supposed to do is make decision on our functions our functions we have so far decided i think that power channel volume make it attractive it has to have an enter key and of course the number keys it has to have big user friendly buttons and sh n definitely we want to be inspired that the current styles are just plain awful yeah do we need let me is that agreeable to everyone br actually the enter key i have a chart here that i did not include do you want the gizmo yeah which might throw some light on that th yeah th those are felt like had a lot of charts actually we are you know we are almost a half hour out of the 40 minutes so we have to get close to finishing okay i i my only comment is i think maybe we could somehow include an enter key in like a power key if power power was enter and pow that was my only just really in terms of streamlining ah okay enter power as a s 0 a sum simultaneous key exactly again you know thinking of menus or is that okay with you sorry i was miles away would that huh h how does that work i was re i was reading the chart to be honest how so so how does that work how do you avoid switching the thing off when you actually want to press enter well if you are pressing enter the the thing would already be on and so maybe when you press power initially it turns it on press power again and use that as an enter so you press power after you have well i was thinking maybe you to turn it off you would have to press power twice in succession then you would have to have an off te off key okay yep and maybe power follows something like a channel up channel down power and then that would make that choice it is not getting a bit complicated could granny do this or are we just not aiming at granny well or y yeah or something that has a a turning dial where at the far end is on or off who has got an ipod then yeah i do not i wish anyway that was the only comment about some of the the decisions okay people have made what is most important it is definitely channel volume power yeah things like screen settings and audio settings i would generally do them on the actual television itself like here you have a exactly you know a little flap th with a little control panel on the actual box itself exactly i i would not know how to do it using a remote control so yeah i would say that they are definitely less relevant okay well okay thanks for looking at that so i guess easy to use is the other thing that we want em to be able to do we do not want to outsmart as you said you know do not make it too hard for the granny i just joined that set last week 1st grandchild arrived congratulations so are we agreed then of those things and let us go back to agenda and hook me up d this oughta be fun it probably will not go the 1st time it will probably be like a g mess come on it lost it off here 0 you are fine it is fine no it was up there but i could not see it down here this time it should be both there we go how do you do that how do you make it do both you have to keep doing the financi the the f n and f 8 to 5 minutes to finish thank you a lot for telling me ah okay it toggles through yeah i think you have to cycle through right we are ready to close yeah will be completed q questionnaire then we will have some time for individual work to continue our research and i will put some minutes of this meeting together your individual assignments are for kate to do the components for you steph to do the user interface and for you the trend watching and each of us will get help from our coach are we agreed to get ourselves together and then have lunch yes sounds good okay then that is the end of this meeting and i hope that is good enough for her to tell her that is the end okay okay we did not come to any sort of decision on the functions though well i think i went over the functions and wrote them down and marked them alright well that is fine then that is what i went over and nobody was objecting to them okay and you would mentioned i i was just going to say could you reiterate the new project requirements because it they were it has to be for a t v just to keep myself okay the teletext is outdated the internet is important so we are still in meeting are not we yeah i think i have it is only to be for a t v and it must include the corporate image color and slogan which i think is more in the user range with steph okay sorry what what actually are these is that the yellow and black it does not tell me from their i will just use it from their website okay okay okay right thank you" ]

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[ "it fell off we are ready okay welcome to this 2nd meeting it is now a quarter after 12 and we are given 40 minutes for this meeting this is a meeting on functional design and i want to welcome you all and thank you all for doing some research in between i took minutes from the 1st meeting and i will show them to you in a moment i know each of you have a presentation and in thinking about the 40 minutes i thought it would take only like 3 minutes for the previous minutes each of you having about 7 minutes or maybe a little more maybe a little less for your presentations and a little discussion because i happen to have been told there was some new project requirements and we have to make some decision on what functions it will have okay does everybody agree with us yes okay and after the meeting there will be things to be done and as you can see it says we get to get lunch and then some more individual work and then putting minutes away and individual actions now for the minutes of the 1st meeting and that one as you can see it will be it as you can see it was this earlier today kate steph sarah and myself in our full capacities were present i opened the meeting the product was developed and reviewed and we talked about the financial end of it and some implications the 4000000 sales target and new ideas of not too many buttons bright colors and some of the influence of the japanese and we closed early so you could then proceed with your research and getting reports together for this meeting anybody have any questions on those minutes are they complete did they discuss everything that we covered last time kate did i miss something we talked about the individual role individual roles that we each had as well yeah i am afraid i incorporated that when i said who was present but yes we did and we did a little bit of team building of making the pictures but i did not think those were appropriate to the minutes necessarily so as a group i think we are they are accepting minutes okay is that really yeah yeah i do good then we will move to the 3 presentations okay okay okay you need to move this who wants to go 1st that is as far as it goes not really meant to touch these 0 it does not have any on does it excellent thank you she said we did not need to screw it in okay that looks good it is doing its thing there we are all right thank you very much one of the biggest issues i thought about from last meeting was the fact that we need to sell 4000000 of these remote controls and i think that this was an opportunity to really take real reaction in the direction of similar of handheld tools that have been used and are used by many of us and to kind of bring the remote control into the same realm as an accessible useful electronic device as opposed to something that is lost in the couch and the habit so my main goal here is to envision remote control in this context and to think about menu functionality and current technology and the fact that it could be interactive with other tools some of the research in the market has shown that people really are not happy with remote controls as they are now and that means we do need to make some decisions about what keys or buttons on the remote control to perhaps keep and what ones to this card and if we devote some energy into this i think the recent productions of real reaction the igo everywhere power and the high definition dvd players although it makes immediate sense to have our remote control interact with these i think we can also use this as a platform to make it interact with other tools and in fact i think the high definition dvd players and all of this will come along and will only benefit from the positive feedback from our well designed tool so again most users really dislike the current look and feel of remote controls 50% i think of all these numbers most important is 50% of users say they only use 10% of the buttons and 80% of users and if we think about this there are a lot of television dvd stereo remote control users out there 80% and spend more money on a remote control that looks fancy can i ask where these people from it was market research and there were 100 people in the room 80 out of 100 said they would spend more money now in between as the project manager they sent me an email from the powers that be that teletext is outdated and the internet coming in is important but that they want this remote control to only be for tv with incorporating the corporate image color and slogan well i think we can really focus on this remote and again bring the real reaction branding in and get some positive marketing for our other tools even if we directly do not advertise for the i go everywhere wine so an interesting element was the would you pay more for speech recognition questions so these market research questionnaires looked into your concern about technology and specifically wanted to find out information speech recognition now the early adopters those of us who grew up with technology and lucky for us have the cash to pay for it the young age group without the mortgages and responsibilities 91% of them would pay more for speech recognition and a remote control very interesting i leave this up to the group to decide if we want to use this in the designers but 91% is it a large enough target market to target it well i think especially in terms of growth i think this would be a very smart group to target i mean 3 quarters of the next age group 25 to 35 are interested and with the technology is improving if we can get these in real numbers does the 91% and the 76% translate to in excess to the 4000000 yes or 8000000 yes but would you pay more and does it work and is it approachable and did i know that it was that is a very good question i do not know if speech recognition should be included but i think it is an interesting i think that maybe shows more about being open to technology it definitely needs a lot more research on how much more it would be and any existing examples and what reactions to them have been and how our target growth compares with the typical gross of these things i do not expect an industrial design i should know that but if we are able to build this thing for €12 50 is that a little exactly i mean i did not receive any information on that but i think the competition assessing out what other people are doing and what is in the pipeline is very very important there was a question about tijuana lcd screen that was not responded to but some of the larger remotes do have screens where you can navigate so it turns into something perhaps you all have seen the osbournes where ozzy osbourne is attempting to manage this super entertainment system with something that looks like a small tray it is i and i think you know surely he is in a wrong age group he must be a small population no no no yeah you are exactly right there but i think the key is to get the early adopters people who are familiar with technology and they will be well we are not looking at whether the earlier adopters on that screen that is looking at age groups yes and i am making and i am making the leap that people who are familiar younger people are are more familiar with technology or comfortable so okay you had the other power channel i think the most important thing is an attractive streamlined remote control and to be extraordinarily reductionist power channel volume and everything else is up to the designers and this is also supported by the market research okay thank you that is my contribution all right and we will turn to the next presentation i think she said we do not need to screw it in just stick it in click it in and then press what fn and f 8 next to the control button on the bottom and then f 8 at the top and then we will be patient yeah here we go tata i want to go down the slide you know can i not just do each one in order you can not be like it there we are yay left a bit of that one yeah let me just press the tick one you over there right technical functions design well i think 1st off basically i have basically i do agree with what sarah has defined as your personal preferences i think we need a more streamlined volume with no extraneous functions so my method was to look at the existing remotes and what functions they have and what we all need to discuss is whether we want these functions pretty much the same as what existing remotes have if we can build on this with the speech recognition that is not something i thought about at all but it is also something we can discuss okay and i presume we can miss out functions related to a video or dvd remote control if this is only going to be satellite cable tv remote control so these are 2 models are 2 models of existing remote controls the one on the left seems to be a fairly standard universal remote control it has fast forward stop play all relating to movies it also has seems to have channel up and channel down which is more of what you would expect from either like a sky or cable remote control where you have got 100s of channels instead of a nearly terrestrial one but i think we should be looking more along the lines of the one on the right which has also i have placed off and pause or everything i do not think we need them at all i think we just need channel selection volume up volume down and i think an enter function where you can access can access it is not like teletext but along the same line access things on the screen not related to the internet one that you mentioned because that would be far outside our budget and what we want this to do and exceed the requirements they are expecting of us the requirements really are just want to be able to change channels and functions which is more a text on the screen thing than actual buttons i was thinking something some smooth sleek little remote control with big user friendly buttons and a menu that you can access but then i do think we need to discuss the speech recognition possibility okay anything else do you want to add okay but we could go back to the pictures of the what are called the pictures of the remote controls and possibly discuss what we think about them or maybe you would hear what kate has to say 1st yeah let us hear what kate has to say okay afterwards we could do the whiteboard that the one on the right is in like that is right i think the white the one on the right is as well as less cluttered definitely less cluttered and i mean but still it is it is there but it is i will just to resume something else i was going to say the style of these is terrible yeah i really think we need to not only possibly even materials like the type of plastic used but everything including size and shape of buttons positioning of buttons the actual shape of the handheld device colors organomics just everything to do with this has to be revolutionized so that is that for now okay now i want to bring us down to earth again i am afraid and talk about the actual practicalities of how the thing needs to work this is the methodology i used in preparing for this meeting basically i have been doing a little bit of webbook research and if i had a design team i would have been discussing ideas with them the net result is that i have come up with a 1st cut for the working design i would like to discuss with you so let us go back to what the basic function of a remote control is it is for sending a message typically via infrared and the basic components we have got to build in for our own got to build in for our €12 50 are an energy source the user interface which will incorporate an integrated circuit that actually composes the message based on what the which buttons the music presses we turn it into a message and then we need a sending mechanism to send it to the receiver now i would have hoped i think that is my only slide actually yeah i would have hoped to do you a pretty powerpoint slide of my 1st cut design but unfortunately technology defeated me so if you will bear with me i will do it on the whiteboard so we want an energy source which is there we have got to think about what that might be we will see what wires on this thing typically it would be a battery but i am open to suggestions and then we have the user interface and the main components in there are the the chip that actually has the intelligence of the machine that translates button presses into a message which it then transfers to some sending mechanism which encodes it and sends the message to the receiver so those are the basic things that we have got to get in for our €12 50 thank you okay right but those things it is all so we can get those components the block that that rectangle for the user interface is where the user comes in of what does it look like what do the buttons look like what does it feel like that is where the user interface is really coming into its own the technical end is what is actually going to be in there but also it has to be easy enough to change or repair if something goes wrong for example the battery energy source or what if the chip for whatever reason breaks down after something breaks down after a certain amount of time do you just replace it is there any because it may be in the same area with several other user interfaces like for dvds movies whatever does it have to have a way of being segregated from the others in a different frequency or something well i may be wrong here but i have been thinking of this device of this device as being a cheap mass produced device we are trying to sell 4000000 of them that is almost one in every 10th household or whatever it is and i have not thought of it as being a repairable thing just check it out and that is why i am a bit concerned i like the idea of speech recognition it is a good idea but i am not convinced we can put it into this box for the price that they are going to need to hit do we have some idea of how much it would cost to create a device that has these basic elements because then is not that your job no the chip composer marketing 0 0 no the chip composer sender i do not believe i am what they cost my personal coach is going to give me some advice all that if you are asking you okay because then we would figure out how much we had to play with yeah yeah so it does seem as if we are just to do something really simple and mass produced which is pretty much the same as these existing models just maybe inspired a little bit more inspired but basically just the same although what suddenly came into my head is you know they always take 2 aa batters which is really not very efficient at all it could be possible to have a rechargeable internal battery like an mp 3 player does or a mobile phone or whatever you could you just plug into a parasaurus with a couple of hours and then it is recharged for ages and ages and ages and you do not have to worry enough replacing aa battles well that has another element which is if every time you are done using the remote you put it on a charger then it has a place you would never need the batteries yeah but it also has a place it is not stuck down the back of the sofa but then again i do not know if this is within our price range in it that is really good idea i am not a very good industrial designer and i do not know much about what these things cost i will do some research for the next meeting okay better than my idea about solar probably yeah solar may not be so good when you are watching tv in the night tv in the night yeah well it is just so it would have to store up the energy yeah i guess and then use it solar can do that it might be quite heavy then yeah that would be too heavy and it costs too much no but just a rechargeable internal battery would probably i mean it might cost more at 1st to develop and to install but for long term use it will be so much more convenient and economic than than fiddling around trying to replace chunky aa batters and not having any in your kitchen drawer so you think we might make that a selling point if it was something that we found we could afford to develop definitely because i am thinking in terms of the loss and breakage of remote how much of that is to be with it not really having a home a nest place to live but you could yeah so if you can dock it you know you could argue and the dock could look very fancy and that could be your inspiration still i do not know if it is quite within our phase yeah yeah okay okay are we agreed as to what our target group is though pretty much that we would be looking for the younger end exactly but i think you raised some good questions about are there enough to lose people or are they making purchasing decisions yeah i am just wondering that because i agree that there are people with how can i put it more money than cents and i usually put more money than brains 0 i will make a note of that kate good but what i was going to say was although they they may be buying you know personal music devices and all that are they necessarily buying tv remote controls because they probably live in a household that has a tv at the low end of no change it might be good to know who is actually buying television and are we in the region where people have more intelligent i think we have got a big hill to climb there have not we i mean we have got to persuade people who have got a remote control because it came with the telly that they should buy our product instead yeah yeah or do we make sure that it goes through the manufacturer we sell to the manufacturer as the remote that goes with it yeah that is probably what would be a more efficient way of doing it yeah and some of our dvd players incidentally have them because we have their relationship put in the department but more of them you need to go for the manufacturing okay right we are not going to get any resolutions by the end of the day are they probably not the other thing that we are supposed to do is make decision on our functions our functions we have so far decided i think that power channel volume make it attractive it has to have an enter key and of course the number keys it has to have big user friendly buttons and definitely we want to be inspired that the current styles are just plain awful do we need is that agreeable to everyone actually the enter key i have a chart here that i did not include which might which might throw some light on that yeah those are i feel like i have a lot of tracts actually we are you know we are almost a half hour out of the 40 minutes so we have to get close to okay i my only comment is i think maybe we could somehow include an entry key in like a power key if that power was entered that was my name okay enter power as a simultaneous key exactly again is that okay with you sorry i was reading the chart so how do you avoid switching the thing off when you actually want to press enter well if you are pressing enter the thing would already be on and so maybe when you press power when you feel it from press power again and you have used that as an enter so you would have to have an off key well i was thinking maybe to turn it off you would have to press power twice in succession and maybe power follows something like a channel up channel down power and then that would make that choice i am not going to be complicated i would be glad you do this or we just not even at glory or yeah or something that has a turning dial where the far end is who has got an ipod then yeah i do not i wish anyway that was the only comment about some of the decisions people have made what is most important definitely channel volume power yeah things like screen settings and audio settings i would generally do them on the actual television like you have a you know a little flap with a little control panel on the actual box itself i would not know how to do it using a remote control so i would say they are definitely less relevant okay thanks for looking at that so i guess easy to use is the other thing that we want to do be able to do as you said you know do not make it too hard for the granny i just joined that set last week 1st grandchild arrived so are we agreed then of those things and let us go back to agenda and hook me up this ought to be fun it probably will not go the 1st time it will probably be like a mess come on it lost it off here right what are you fine no it was up there but i could not see it down here this time it should be both how do you do that this time it should be both there we go how do you do that you have to keep doing the finance the fn and f 8 to 5 minutes to finish thank you a lot for telling me i think we are ready to close that will be completed a questionnaire then we will have some time for individual work to continue our research and i will put some minutes of this meeting together your individual assignments are for kate to do the components for you steph to do the user interface and for you the trend watching and each of us will get help from our coach and we are agreed to get ourselves together and then have lunch yes okay that is the end of this meeting and i hope that is good enough for her to tell her that is the end okay okay we did not come to any sort of decision well i think i went over the functions and wrote them down and marked them that is what i went over and nobody was objecting to them and you mentioned i was just going to say could you really write the new project requirements okay it has to be for a tv just to keep myself the teletext is outdated the internet is important it is only to be for a tv and it must include the corporate image color and slogan which i think is more in the user range with steph so what actually are these is that the yellow and black it does not tell me i will just use it from their website okay okay all right thank you" ]

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[ "is to do now is to decide how to fulfill what your stuff is so in that sense so it does kind of make sense yeah yeah okay yeah sure okay well it kinda does make sense does not it because when we get into the end of meeting we are kind of talking about action and design as opposed to background yep okay everything i have is kinda background okay we all ready to go yep well how on the in this meeting then if we i will just just recap on the minutes from the last meeting and we decided on yep decided on our our target group being 15 to 35 and we decided that it was going to be non rechargeable battery powered that we are going to group our audio visual and other functions into into those categories and i told you guys about the 3 new requirements about ignoring teletext ignoring everything except the t v and trying to incorporate the the corporate color and slogan so that was the last meeting is there anything have i forgotten anything no that sounds is that everything okay so if we have the 3 presentations and then if you have anything to kind of that you know you are going to want to discuss maybe just make a note of it and we will have all the discussion at the end that might be a better idea this time sure and so if we start off with andrew and then craig and then david if that is alright okay sure and then after that we will have to make some decisions about stuff right yep yeah cool so if you want to take this why do not i get that screwed in quite tightly what did how did we leave it with speech recognition now we did we say we were going to try maybe incorporate it but we had not made a definite decision on that right 0 i should also point out that the you know the kind of final objective of this meeting is to reach a decision on the concepts of the product okay so that is kind of the end result hopefully okay alright so c is it function f 8 huh hopefully appear in a wee 2nd come on i think it is working up there we go okay great s so let me just start this okay great so s move on huh 0 where would it all go 0 no it is not good okay lemme just see where i can find it this looks more like it i think i just opened up the template sorry about that 0 right okay alright so let us have a look here okay so this was the method that i have taken here we go basically what i want to do here before we get into it too far is i want to show you all the background information i have that i think we need to acknowledge if we want this to be successful okay and and then sorta g go through some of the way that i have dealt with that information and then sort of bring us all together into it to see sorta see how this fits in with the overall vision so i have tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarize it for us and then ide identify trends that are are sort of in sync and are important to our our p project plan that we have so far and then initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sorta helps us to to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other other elements of the of the project does that make sense tha that sort of strategy yep i thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do so that is why i suggested we get in this aye a fair point definitely okay so out of different figures and ratings ob of people in general consumers in general the number one thing that was found was that the br t television remote control a fancy look and feel okay and not it specified not a functional look or or feel b f f fancy okay however this is where we kinda have to be very i think creative about it number 2 was that it be innovative okay so that tells me that we have to find a way to be innovative without a adding just unnecessary sort of functional bits to it and 3rd priority for ease of use so again that kind of gives us a general picture of how it has to be quite user friendly while still having technology so it i will just say right away as a bit of a foreshadowing into how we proceed with this in terms of m marketing is that i think what we should think about is how the about how the innovation contributes to the look and feel and not so much to the functionality of it for example like when you pick it up and push it like it all lights up or something you know what i mean like aye right or it has got something else to it that just seems innovative because obviously the thing that the message here is ease of use huh so how do you make innovation make something more more easy to use well that is i guess where we are going to go with this okay okay then there is the other aspect of the back the the market research i have here is on fashion style okay which as we have agreed is a priority top european fashion trend that i read about says there is this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables okay especially in clothes and furniture and when i 1st saw that i thought well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it or we get right into it or we completely steer away from it do you know what i mean okay okay so my my feeling is that we w do want to observe this trend but we want to think also about the fact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics cause i think what we are in what we are in is partly sort of home decor partly something like a computer so i think we might want to be careful about how you know how quickly we create like a remote control in the shape of an apple or something i think that would be pushing it and then in terms of m material trends are for things to be soft and spongy and sort of you might say ergonomic or or friendly to handle which is which also in indicated that last year this was this was not the case so probably a lot of the competition on the market will be still in last year is mode so if we try and really capitalize on that i think that will be in our favor so these this is the summary of everything style is number one thing in the in the market of who we are selling to innovative design technology is also a must in that it is seen it would be seen to be cutting edge but ease of use t has to be insured throughout that was like the number 3 thing and then at the end there are vibrant natural colors that is the way i interpreted it anyway softness in materials shape and function and so i have written at written at the bottom to give us sort of a context of discussion mac ipods something which is i would have to say very high tech 10 gigabytes whatever but when you hold it in your hand there is like no buttons you know what a mac ipod is that is true yeah i am thinking however mac ipod is sort of last year is because it is very hard and sort of glassy and glossy so i am thinking if we imagine that we are taking some of the features of a mac ipod and we are then making it s more of like a more of like a comfortable type of or more of like a maybe more vibrant to friendly thing to have and then so this is w with all that information what i am what i am suggesting in this slide here is that we we take these ideas and as we get into more the more techni like sort of production side of things that we think about shape materials and themes or series that go throughout sort of like a i dunno like we think of some kind of a thin theme that unifies it all that we agree on sorta like a marketing identity does that make sense yeah so so like i threw out a few ideas there just to kinda get us thinking along those lines like lemon lime i dunno green colors pe whatever it is just an idea cause i am thinking that some of these ideas will seem quite coherent if we use them in terms of their what people associate this them with in terms of texture shape colors things like that kay great like the ones the ones which i am most fond of in terms of giving like a theme to it would be like like lemon or something like that you know something which is like you see a lot in in other areas like i see lots of websites and things that seem to associate with like lemon and lime and okay so anyway it is just just an idea yeah i am thinking maybe we could incorporate some of these features into a fairly into something which is which seems to have something to it which is almost gimmicky because like like something to do with like lighting within it like you know just within the simple sense when you pick up a phone and touch a button it lights up q usually the buttons light up ah how can we build on that maybe like it could light up in different colors or something or or people could buy the buy the control and then it comes with different like covers or something so okay anyway those are that is all i have but hopefully we can we can revisit those ideas when we get into that is great huh okay great thank you for that craig do you want to yep plug yours in then is it working not quite did you press f 8 it is probably not sending yeah 0 something coming now yeah yep there it is there we go and so think of this concept to research it i have had a look on the the homepage again it is provided me with more examples of previously existing c remote controls there is a wee bit of discussion about the other existing ones there so i have taken the suggestions from them and tried to incorporate them into this so then this we are looking for suggestions on size th size of control and the buttons the shape of the control and whereabout the buttons should be located on the control what i found from the research is that most the current controls are just basically big bricks with loads of buttons all over them they are not very attractive to look at and they are not very comfortable to hold they are i just hold em like big bricks and they are very easily lost they tend to be very dark colors so if there are shadowy places down the side of couches you can not really see them the the controls themselves tend to use a very inconsistent color scheme for instance the stand by button is not always red it really should be it is something the user then identify with this is a red switch off that is how it should be i am not sure if there is any other examples of that but something to look out for there is a problem that i have i have got couple of preferences for the the end control i get em with the the red color button for stand by and s the other examples of that the buttons should be large they should not be tiny little things like you get on some mobile phones they should be easy to press very comfortable one of the examples given on the homepage was there is an up and down volume button but both of them have a v on them so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button that is kinda confusing should avoid s things like that if the the corporate color scheme allows it we should have a very bright color so that it can be easily identified anywhere okay obviously trying trying to avoid being tacky there but it could tie in very easily with your your lime and lemon idea yeah okay do we have a corporate color scheme i think it is yellow because like the website is yellow and there is a band at the bottom is yellow so yellow i did not know okay and the play doh is yellow okay lemon you know definitely food for thought there but keep going and we will discuss it after fantastic okay yeah any extra features we add beyond the basic ones should be m hidden they should not be on the should not be visible without something be opened or some sort of special extra effort if we did decide to go for voice activation there sh should always be a button as alternative possibly hidden in the the opened up section making that something is wrong with it or with somebody is voice maybe they got a cold or we should definitely avoid the big square block look that is just wrong kay and we got an email from i think it is the the research department and they have said th the voice control can now talk back if you ask it a question so it sh it could be good to have them confirm any action you take aye that is a good idea yeah and possibility right and these are problems i have had with it i do not know where the slogan should go or really what the slogan is i think it is fashion into electronics yeah and we do not know how flexible the color scheme is i mean you say you wanted the the corporate colors but they do not say you know if we can use any other colors at all or okay that is it cool okay great lots of good information there yeah that that was very good and now with david kay i think i am cool it is a shame the cable was not just in the middle of the table huh i know it would be handy would not it just oops do y do you want to sit in the the line of sight of this yeah okay let me just get this going 1st yeah ah there it is it takes a 2nd does not it kay that should be it okay i guess the same thing again i started with something very basic so just so you guys have some idea of what is involved in my process and then you can just work through it and we will either modify it or start from scratch depending on what your needs are the components are exactly the same i think like what you guys said the most input that is needed is basically in the user interface the rest of the components they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity like you said time to market was a problem and how many components are physically in there in cost and the power is basically a factor of that and the lower components the power the logic the transmitter and the infrared they affect you in terms of the size of your device and that would have some inte impact on how y i think more how you hold rather than the actual use using the the remote control because like we have said we have defined like we only want the basic things that to be visible and the rest of them we try to hide so you know it is just a matter of working out space so i guess 3 things cost complexity and the size these are the 3 things that will have an impact on you so just go through it in the components these are the options that are available to you i am not very sure about the voice thing cause i got another email and it was in fact quite sketchy on what n the voice options are right it said it could talk to you but it never said anything about being able to listen i it said something about a sensor but never clarified that so maybe if you well i could see the other email that they sent you cause they got back to me with like different requirements or different offerings of what components availa okay so your basic components are buttons okay and you have a wheel available like a mouse scroll wheel right okay there is an l c d display i think these are quite standard things they are standard are not they no they are well in the sense that these are all the options available for you i will explain to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later yeah okay then there is how the case actually looks it can actually be flat or it can be curved and then the different types of materials that you can use i do not think you can use them in a combination but i could check back for you but i do not think you can actually use them in a combination we you could not have like plastic and rubber i think plastic and rubber would be fine but plastic rubber and wood i was not i am not very sure about the titanium yeah they had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium kay the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing so i think that there is some restriction on okay i think you could probably group plastic and rubber together wood and titanium but you know it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one you know as opposed to 2 and the other components are logic chips again i will i will go back to the component chips the com how complex or how easy the logic is it depends on how many functions you have on the on the unit and that impacts cost i do not think the logic chip has a issue about size cause they should be about the same size power consumption should be about the same i think the main impact is complexity and the other thing is the power options the 1st one is a standard battery okay the 2nd one i think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing it is a wind up you know a crank i will clear one of these things for you just by moving it yeah yeah but that that might be something i think that is more of a look and feel decision because i do not think you can have one power source if you are using the alternative power sources i think whatever it is you still need a battery cause i do not think anybody wants to keep doing one thing no okay the other ones are a solar powered cell yeah which may not be a great idea in europe or any country that has seasons cause half the year you would be dead so like what i said you probably need like a battery and something else and the kinetic one i guess for me is the most interesting one because it is movement and people like to fiddle with their and it is a nice sales gimmick i think from a marketing gimmick it it is a technology thing it is a shake it it does not work shake it knock it or something you know you know you have you had those balls you know those stress balls where you bounce the ball and it and it lights up and it goes w yeah yeah yeah i see yeah you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber you know just to if you get frustrated wi remote control you can throw it kind of you know just you know so yeah i know what you mean yeah okay my from my role i do not think that personal preferences but role preferences i think something comfortable to hold small and slim i guess that is more in the sense of small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can not you know like a phone or something too small phone and the other thing is from a production point of view the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it so okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions the user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features like the buttons are standard okay the l c d panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic the case okay with a rubber case you can not have the solar panels okay with the titanium case let me just check that titanium case can not be curved it has to be square okay okay there is no restriction on the plastic and it can not be curved on the wood it can not be curved okay so that is again i do not think you can use them in a combination especially the titanium i i suspect they are very fixed to a particular need okay right so mixing them may not be a good idea yep okay right can i that is it question on can i ask a question yeah well yeah it is just i am quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we have left so but yeah you c ask away okay can we power a light in this can we get a strong enough battery to power a light i think we could because the l c d panel requires power and the l c d is a form of a light so that okay so maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery why what kind of light do you want are you thinking of well i mean i am thinking it might be that for this to be a high tech thing it is going to have to have something high tech about it and that is going to take battery power huh yeah and to make that to make that a realistic goal i think one of the issues that will come up later is can the battery power it are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of a light light or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know frankenstein it is alive illuminate the buttons yeah it glows well m i am thinking along the lines of you are you are in the dark watching a d v d and you you find the thing in the dark and you go like this okay and that is what everybody does 0 where is the volume button in the dark and y you just touch it or you just pick it up and it lights up or something yeah yeah yeah okay like a phone yeah like the backlight in a phone okay like a phone yeah yeah okay cool whereas with phones people charge them once a week yeah we are going to need to put in a really good battery so people do not have to charge their r remote control every few days that is why i think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch like an automatic watch but are people going to want to shake their movie controller it is probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it right so you could trigger that to a light like i said the bouncing ball thing sure or you could trigger that to use that to power the light as opposed to so when they pick it up okay okay right right and then that that sorta triggers the okay right okay well let us just go right back to the marketing ideas for a start glowingness okay great and just giving an id idea on the time we have got about 15 minutes to play with at most okay so yeah so just t to bear in mind that the ultimate goal of this meeting is to reach an decision on the the the concepts of the product okay so back to your idea about incorporating the idea of like fruit and veg and the corporate color and things like that yeah yeah i mean what does everybody think about does anybody have any ideas of about how we can fit all that in together i mean that is kind of the user interface type of thing what are your thoughts on that i think we could go for like maybe not a p a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape you could have the same sort of texture and color as a fruit so maybe do y are we thinking something that like s could sit in your hand comfortably or do you th you would hold onto comfortably or probably something that s sits in your hand comfortably sort of feels right in your hand so something quite curvy okay right okay color wise i mean you made a re was it you or i can not remember who made the point about how if you have a nice bright color you will not lose it was that whose about how if you have a bright color you will not lose it so much i think he made that what is that yeah and when the corporate color is yellow i mean maybe we could think about about the color of the whole product being yellow i do not know okay and then obviously the the materials when it has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what what might work well i mean i am thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts that is all and if we think that what we are w our number one marketing motive is the look and feel so for the look and feel to seem coherent and not just sorta bits and bits and pieces of of concept and technology or or whatever or fashion then we should have it kind of come back to one thing that we kind of all sorta can visualize maybe what we could do is t th think about a concept which touches b back to the on the the color you said company color yellow i mean if we think of something like i was saying also lime and lemon you know what can we come up with something where we we try and associate it with with like the series we just come up with something like that we kind of use it as a theme to inspire the okay shapes and things right is there a particular shape that you are interested in like does marketing have any research on does it need to be long does it need with a square thing wha 0 you know like in circular in shape or yeah cause that will n help narrow down the choice of yeah choice of material yeah like fruit cause i i i was kinda thinking about as well you know how you get these shock resistant mobile phones i am thinking fruits in my head but that is tacky see i am and they are plastic but then also have like rubber on the outside and it kinda feels it feels kind of warmer to the touch it feels a bit more comfortable and maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber yeah into it and then then we could have curved shapes cause wood or titanium yeah it is going to have to be boxy and rectangular and i think we might be moving away from that you know so well i am do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon or no i do not think we do either no no no not at all it is more more just that we we think about like what it is we are trying to achieve so and then we have 11 sorta theme that we stick with do you know what i mean okay right well so thoughts about the actual shape of the thing i would quite like a sort of snowman type shape a snowman shape so a p sort of larger bit sits in your hand and then you got maybe another bubble at the top for just any other function you need huh that is quite a distinctive shape that would be good would not it right sure yeah yeah so yeah should we go with that can we yeah like to and wha like do you have a do you want to draw it on the board can you like yeah just t we can visualize it something like that you got 2 groups there maybe it could fold up and you get a 3rd group inside or you have volume controls about there okay ooh that would be good okay yep so call it the snowman shape trademark yeah that is cool and i mean color wise what does everybody think i think it is quite important to get yellow in there somewhere i mean do you want the whole thing yellow maybe like yellow and white do you want something so i reckon it would look quite nice if we just had this here had a sorta background yellow and then have sort of a nice bold color for the buttons huh okay cool and also i mean how are we going to incorporate the slogan in the fact that it talks to you i mean it might be quite cool if when you 1st start using it it says what is it putting fashion into electronics or something i dunno or when you like or if you turn it off or something if it can speak if it could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere i think that might scare me i d i d any thoughts on that at all i think that would probably scare me you turn it on your control possessed s i know unless an a i mean if you also would that work if we wanted to incorporate an l c d display where would we put that would we put that on the inside or do we need an l c d display what what is the functionality of that it is bound to increase the cost of it a lot i would have thought yeah but the question is what are we using it what would we what would we achieve from it what would it achieve putting in lights is cheap but putting in an l c d panel just to make it glow is a bit of a well l c well i would when you used to mention the l c d i would think i wonder what that would be about and the th the thing i could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with listings so as you scroll through cause we said we might have a jog dial yeah so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is i think that will be a problem because we do not have an input device to get the listings into it right okay so it is a bit nuts to get the monday tuesday wednesday you know 0 yeah that is true yeah so so no need for an l c d display i i am not saying there is no need for an l c d display but it is what is what what would it tell the user i think that would make it very complex cause the l c d tends to be an output as as opposed to an input so does the remote control need to talk back to the user yeah yeah not real we have the option of the speaker as well the sa the same thing goes for the speaker is there a need for the remote control to to talk back i do not know if there is really no nah i would say no need for a talk back does anybody disagree with that no you could put a game on it no easy when the t v dies you can play with the remote control okay right so you are going to have the 3 different sets of of functionalities i mean do you want to group them into s head of the snowman body of the snowman inside of the snowman is that what you are thinking well i think the advanced ones the the ones you do not usually use could be hid inside okay b i think the we had were fairly basic ones they would have to go on the the front somewhere okay right what else do you need to talk about well i i was just where would you physically position the buttons i think that that has some impact on on on many things yeah yeah maybe you want to draw onto the so i am just going to pop this in here cause i have a slide about decision making which i would forgotten about yep 0 sh god we have got 5 minutes okay back we go energy what do you think that is suggesting we are how we are powering the thing i really like the idea of this kinetic thing where you would have the back up of the battery yeah sure but have have kinetic power i mean what does anybody think about that i have had kinetic things before and the the the one issue we need to keep in mind with them is that you are committing the user to moving it and watches yeah no like i said we have a h hybrid kind of thing so it is not going to charge the battery it is just sure okay right okay okay support for it i mean just it is just worth pointing out because like i have i have known i have known people to have kinetic watches that they wear all the time yeah and it is just like magic because it is always powered and there is no battery i have also known people to have things like like a jewelry watch they wear from time to time and they eventually just say it is just too much of a nuisance because i do not wear it all the time yeah yep like remote control is similar you are away on vacation i dunno whatever you something and it just starts to get worn down yeah so we should think about well i suppose that if you are if you are away and you are not using it then you are not using any power either so you would have the battery as the kind of to keep it ticking over idea i am really sorry we are going to have to wrap up quite quickly yeah we do not have as much time as i thought yep so i think that is what energy is referring to here chip on print is that that is an industrial design thing is it david yes yes okay as for the case kind of discussed that and this size here i would suggest this be small like quite small yeah i know we are going to have like rubber buttons that feel kind of yeah i think so yeah okay just a a lot of the i mean one of the things running through my mind right now i realize we are being efficient to wrap up the meeting and have lots of decisions made but we are leaning quite a bit to the side of being low tech rubber buttons plastic frame it is almost like we are reproducing the same old remote control that is out there kay should we think about how we are actually getting this high tech user friendly theme like what is it that we are u we are using to to achieve those goals like could have things like backlighting the buttons and stuff like that okay so so backlighting that would be good or even a clear case you know a a glowing a a glowing yellow type case where the yellow is showable but in the dark it sort of it is alive yeah clear that would be aye that would be a good idea okay yeah sure in in a slight subtle way s so like cur slightly transparent case so it is yellow like tinted yellow but you can maybe see through it yeah that would be really good yeah yeah yeah yeah is that what you mean or or there might be a light running through it like a mouse sure you know you have cordless mice and they do not eat that much power right yeah yeah so the power the battery in that sense maybe you have one or 2 stratig strategically placed lights that sort of yeah sure yeah they they emanate a light through it okay yeah but because the case is transparent so it gives it a little bit of a glow does not make it freaky lights kay yeah okay and then the other thing that we we are s we have committed ourselves to achieving is simplicity and so i am thinking maybe should we try and think about having something like some kind of an innovative concept about how the the volume and the channels are controlled cause that is the main thing people will f want to do could we use like a jog dial like a nice just sort of round somewhere on it where you just roll it the question is when you are rolling it how do you want to roll it or do you want em to roll it like that do you want em to roll it like that cause in a mouse your hand is in a position to roll it yeah yeah whereas the other thing about having it jog dial this way it tends to get moved accidentally yeah if you are holding it in your hand you could you could do that could not you well why do not we do it like a mouse then if you are holding it in your hand you could that is a very unnatural motion to yeah do you think okay can you imagine you have to scroll a lot it might work for volume and maybe some of the brightness controls and stuff like that but not for channels right yeah if you have a telewest box you have got like you do not have to buy all the channels you have about 50 channels can you imagine trying to yeah okay okay yeah yeah sure and i do not think having that you know too quick too slow kin it is confusing to the i dunno well but then for for skipping a large amount of channels you do have to to skip the channel button the number part yeah but users tend to tend to want to use that and once they lose out on the user experience they are like yeah okay but because that is becomes the most accessible thing in front of okay but that is not a bad thing is it just because when you think about it the alternative is to go push the button yeah yeah jog dials are much easier than that okay right well would not it we do need to make a decision on whether we want to incorporate a jog dial in nice and quickly you just roll i am all for them actually i think they are quite you know th very quick to m to use yeah yeah so does anybody oppose the idea of of incorporating one into the design at all no and the other thing was can we think of any way of getting the slogan into this thing yeah like i mean if we if if we keep coming back to this board here huh i would not be surprised if we could take this idea imagine that i dunno that it is within the shape of the hand it is quite small huh ooh okay we really got to wrap up so yeah i dunno yeah it is small and that we have got like the the l slogan somewhere like on the casing at the side okay well if we can do that great and that yeah well i mean is not that what we just h said said we s just have to decide now yeah okay yeah let us let us try and get the slogan on there and yeah and then like a jo so you want to expand the shape of the and then like a jog dial somewhere that fits in with the shape of it like i dunno like here in with the that that might have one problem in terms of in terms of whether you are left handed or you are right handed you might be locking yourself in it would get bumped it is does not really fit with your hand yeah or maybe just fit it in like down the middle here could i just could i just jump in and suggest something quickly okay right i am going to have to i am really going to have to hurry you on here cause we are we are actually over time a jog di yeah it is kind of yeah is there anything anybody is unsure about just for in closing just the next meeting is going to be in 30 minutes and so you can see in the screen here what each of you are going to hopefully be doing yeah i know that the designers are going to be working with play doh on that so that will be that will be good huh and i will get the the minutes up as soon as possible anything at all you think we have not discussed that we need to is everybody kind of happy about what they are going to be doing i think one thing would be the jog dial cause that is going to have quite a big impact on the thing yeah i think the jog dial you know it just after you drew that what if it was flat and you just spun it that would be great yeah that is what i was thinking the a slide because then you you do not have to put the hand yeah yep i think incorporating a logo is quite straight forward there is lots of space for it okay that is kind of a design thing that you guys can can discuss yeah yeah but it is also a a marketing and a function sure yeah yeah and materials we sorta said we would do plastic and rubber did not we okay yeah yeah and i think maybe we should try and stay away from just the big protruding rubber buttons cause that would just be so standard to make something flush with the case something a bit more flush yeah or maybe have rubber incorporated into the case as well okay right so that it has and also t plastic i have seen can get really textured so you can get plastics that actually feel soft in your hand okay sp kinda grippy feel like fruit okay fruits kids they feel kind of like you get pens now and then that you would think that they were rubber but they are not no like yeah yeah they are actually just plastic that is textured kind of a little bit like yeah yeah kinda like that yeah okay i am going to have to i am going to have to call this to a close cause we are way over time so that is really good like we have s had much to talk about that pretty much run out of time to do so okay so off you go and design stuff wooh okay play doh time yeah quite jealous actually you got to choose 1st no we are kidding okay can i just swipe your power cable i do not think it matters okay lemme okay i am going to pull everybody out 1st and then put in whoever needs to be left it is you argh this is a real hassle and a oops i am going to take the microphones cause it is too lazy t take them off again cool" ]

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[ "to do now is to decide how to fulfill what your stuff is so okay yeah sure okay it kind of does make sense does not it because when we get into the end of meeting we are kind of talking about action and design as opposed to background everything i have is kind of background okay we all ready to do well how about in this meeting then if we i will just just recap on the minutes from the last meeting and we decided on decided on our target group being 15 to 35 and we decided that it was going to be normally chargeable battery power that we are going to group our audio visual and other functions into into these categories and i told you guys about the 3 new requirements about ignoring teletext ignoring everything except the tv and trying to incorporate the corporate color and slogan so that was the last meeting is there anything have i forgotten anything no so if we have the 3 presentations and then if you have anything to kind of that you know you are going to want to discuss maybe just make a note of it and then we will have all the discussion at the end that might be a better idea this time and so if we start off with and then craig and then david is that right and then after that we will have to make some decisions yeah i do not get that how do this just going to incorporate me right how did we leave it with speech recognition now should we say we are going to try maybe incorporate it but we had not made a definite decision or not all right also point out that the you know kind of the final objective of this meeting is to reach a decision on the concepts of the product okay so that is kind of the end result hopefully okay all right so is it function f 8 huh okay and every 2nd come on i think it is working 0 there are good okay great so let me just start this okay great so let us move on huh 0 where did it all go it is not good 0 no okay let me just see right bye fine i think i think i just open up the template okay all right so let us have a look here okay so this is the method that i have taken basically what i want to do here before we get into it too far as i want to show you all the background information i have that i think we need to acknowledge if we want this to be successful okay and then sort of go through some of the way that i have dealt with that information and then sort of bring us all together into it to see sort of see how this fits in with the overall vision so i have tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarize it for us and then identify trends that are sort of in sync and are important to our project plan that we have so far and then initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sort of helps us to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other elements of the project does that make sense yeah that sort of strategy i thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do so that is why i suggested we get in okay so out of different figures and ratings of people in general consumers in general the number one thing that was found was that the television remote control of a fancy look and feel and not and specified not a functional look or feel okay fancy however this is where we kind of have to be very i think creative about it number 2 was that it be innovative okay so that tells me that we have to find a way to be innovative without adding just unnecessary sort of functional bits to it and 3rd priority for ease of use so again that kind of gives us a general picture of how it has to be quite user friendly while still having technology so i will just say right away as a bit of a foreshadowing into how we proceed with this in terms of marketing is that i think what we should think about is how the innovation contributes to the look and feel and not so much to the functionality of it for example like when you pick it up and push it like it all lights up or something you know what i mean or it has got something else to it that just seems innovative because obviously the thing the message is years ease of use so how do you make innovation make something more easy to use well that is i guess where we are going to go with this okay then there is the other aspect of the market research i have here is on fashion style which as we have agreed as a priority top european fashion trend that i read about it says there is this emerging theme of fruit and vegetable okay especially in clothes and furniture and when i 1st saw that i thought well do we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it or we get right into it or we completely steer away from it you know what i mean okay my feeling is that we do want to observe this trend but we want to think also about the fact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics because i think what we are in is partly sort of home decor partly something like a computer so i think we might want to be careful about how quickly we create like a remote control in the shape of an apple or something i think that would be pushing it and then in terms of material trends are for things to be soft and spongy and sort of i might say ergonomic or friendly to handle which also indicated that last year this was not the case so probably a lot of the competition on the market will be still in last year is mode so if we try and really capitalize on that i think that will be in our favor so this is the summary of everything style is number one thing in the market of who we are selling to innovative design technology is also a must in that it be seen to be cutting edge but ease of use has to be insured throughout that was like the number 3 thing and then at the end there are vibrant natural colors that is the way i interpreted it anyway softness and material shape and function and so i have written at the bottom to give us sort of a context of discussion mac ipods something which is i would have to say very high tech 10 gigabytes whatever but when you hold it in your hand there is like no buttons you know what a mac ipod is i am thinking however mac ipod is sort of last years because it is very hard and sort of glassy and glossy so i am thinking if we imagine that we are taking some of the features of a mac ipod is and we are then making it more of like a more of like a comfortable type of more of like maybe more vibrant friendly thing to have and then so this is with all that information what i what i am suggesting in this slide here is that we we take these ideas and as we get into more the more technical like sort of production side of things that we think about shape materials and themes or series that go throughout sort of like i do not know like we think of some kind of a theme that unifies it all that we agree on sort of like a marketing identity does that make sense yeah so like i threw out a few ideas there just to kind of get us thinking along those lines like lemon lime i do not know green colors whatever just an idea because i am thinking that some of these ideas will seem quite coherent if we use them in terms of their what people associate them with in terms of texture shape colors things like that okay like the ones which i am most fond of in terms of giving like a theme to it would be like like lemon or something like that you know something which is like you see a lot in in other areas like i see lots of websites and things that seem to associate with like lemon and lime okay so anyway just just an idea i am thinking maybe we could incorporate some of these features into a fairly into something which seems to have something to it which is almost gimmicky because like something to do with lighting within it like you know just in the simple sense when you pick up a phone and touch a button it lights up usually the buttons light up how can we build on that maybe like it could light up in different colors or something or people could buy the control and then it comes with different like covers or something anyway that is all i have but hopefully we can revisit those ideas when we get into okay great thank you for that craig do you want to plug yours in thank you it is probably not going to be it is probably not sending it is probably not sending 0 something coming there there it is there will you so the interface concept to research it i have had a look on the homepage again it is provided me with more examples of previous existing remote controls there is a wee bit of discussion about the existing ones there so i have taken the suggestions from them and tried to incorporate them into this so at the end of this we are looking for suggestions on the size and the control and the buttons the shape of the control and where about the button should be located on the control what i found from the research is that most of the current controls are just big bricks with loads of buttons all over them they are not very attracted to look at and they are not very comfortable to hold they are just holding like big bricks and they are very easily lost it tend to be very dark colors so if they are shadowy places down inside the couches can not really see them the controls themselves tend to use a very inconsistent color scheme for instance the standby button is not almost red it really should be it is just something that the user they identify with let us say red switch off that is how it should be i am not sure if there is any other examples of that but i think of that so from that i have got a couple of preferences for the end control control again with the red color button for standby and the other examples of that the button should be large they should not be tiny little things like you get onto mobile phones it should be easy to press very comfortable one of the examples given on the home page was there is an up and down volume button that both have a b on them so the up volume button looks like it should be a down volume button and that is kind of confusing should avoid things like that if the corporate color scheme allows it we should have a very bright color so that it can be identified anywhere obviously trying to avoid being tacky there but it could time very easily with your lime and lemon idea do we have a corporate color scheme i think it is yellow because the website is yellow and there is the band at the bottom of yellow the play doh is yellow yellow lemon you know definitely food for thought there but keep going and red color we will keep going and we will discuss it any extra features we add beyond the basic ones should be hidden they should not be visible without something being opened or some sort of special extra effort if we do decide to go for voice activation there should also be a button is alternative possibly hidden in the opened up section in case something was wrong with it or some use voice maybe they have got a cold or we should definitely avoid the big square block that is just wrong that is just wrong and we got an email from the research department and they have said the voice control can now talk back if you ask a question so it could be good to have them confirm any action you take 0 that is kind of i have a possibility we do not know where the slogan should go or really what the slogan is i think it is flashing to electronics and we do not know how flexible the color scheme is you can say you want it they are the corporate colors but you do not say if we can use any other colors at all okay okay lots of good information there yeah that was very good and no other it is a shame the cable was not just in the middle i know it would be handy is not it it is so do you want to sit in the line of sight of this okay let me just get this there you 1st 0 there it is okay that should be it okay i guess the same thing again i started with something very basic so just so you guys have some idea of what is involved in my process and then you can just work through it and we will either modify it or start from scratch depending on what your needs are the components are exactly the same i think like what you guys said the most input that is needed is basically in the user interface the rest of the components they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity like you said time to market was a problem and how many components are physically in there cost and the power is basically a factor of that and the lower components to the power the logic the transmitter and infrared they affect you in terms of the size of your device and that would have some impact on how i think more how you hold rather than the actual use using a different the remote control because like we said we have defined like we only want the basic things that to be visible and the rest of them we try to hide so you know it is just a matter of working out space so i guess 3 things cost complexity and the size these are the 3 things that will have an impact on you so just go through the components these are the options that are available to you i am not very sure about the voice thing because i got another email and it was quite sketchy on what the voice options are it said it could talk to you but i never said anything about being able to listen it said something about a sensor but i never clarified that so maybe if you well i could see the other email they sent you because they got back to me with like different requirements or different offerings of what components available okay so your basic components are buttons okay and you have a wheel available like a mouse scroll wheel okay there is an lcd display i think these are quite standard things they are standard are they no they well in a sense that these are all the options available for you i explained to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later okay then there is how the case actually looks it can actually be flat or it can be curved and then the different types of materials that you can use i do not think you can use them in a combination but i could check back for you but i do not think you can actually use them in a combination you can have plastic and rubber i think plastic and rubber would be fine but plastic rubber and wood i am not very sure about the titanium they had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing so i think that there is some restriction on i think you could probably group plastic and rubber together wood and titanium but it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one you know as opposed to 2 and the other components are logic chips again i will go back to the component chips how complex or how easy the logic is it depends on how many functions you have on the unit and that impacts cost i do not think the logic chip has an issue about size because they should be about the same size power consumption should be about the same i think the main impact is complexity and the other thing is the power options the 1st one is the standard battery the 2nd one i think is more of a gimmick than actually a usable thing it is a wind up you know a crank just by amazing yeah but that might be something i think that is more of a look and feel decision because i do not think you can have one power source if you are using the alternative power sources i think whatever it is you still need a battery because i do not think anybody wants to keep doing one thing okay the other ones are a solar powered cell which may not be a great idea in europe or any country that has seasons because half the year you be dead so like what i said you probably need like a battery and something else and the kinetic one i guess for me is the most interesting one because it is movement and people like to fiddle with their and it is a nice sales gimmick i think from a marketing gimmick it is a technology thing it is a shake it does not work shake it knock it or something you know you know have you had those balls you know those stress balls where you bounce bounce the ball and it lights up and it goes you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber you know just to if you get frustrated remote control you can throw it kind of you know just the you know so okay my from my role i do not think there are personal preferences but role preferences i think something comfortable to hold small and slim i guess that is more in the sense of small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can not you know like a phone or some too small phone and the other thing is from a production point of view the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it so okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions the user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features like the buttons are standard okay the lcd panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic the case okay with a rubber case you can not have the solar panels okay with the titanium case let me just check that titanium case can not be curved it has to be square okay okay there is no restriction on the plastic it can not be curved it can not be curved on the wood so that is again i do not think you can use them in a combination okay especially the titanium i suspect they are very fixed to a particular need so mixing them may not be a good idea okay yeah question on can i ask a question yeah well yeah i am just quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we have left okay but yeah can we power a light in this can we get a strong enough battery to power a light i think we could because the lcd panel requires power and the lcd is a form of a light okay so maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery why what kind of light do you want well i mean i am thinking it might be that for this to be a high tech thing it is going to have to have something high tech about it it is going to take battery power and to make that a realistic goal i think one of the issues that will come up later is a battery power are you thinking of a light in the sense of a light light or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know frankenstein it is alive i am thinking along the lines of you are in the dark watching a dvd and you find the thing in the dark and you go like this and that is what everybody does well where is the volume button in the dark okay and you just touch it or you just pick it up and it lights up or something like a phone okay like a phone yeah like a phone okay whereas with phones you are just people charge them once a week yeah we are going to need to put in a really good battery so people do not have to charge their remote control every few days that is why i think the option of the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch but are people going to want to shake their movie control it is probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it right so you could trigger that to a light like i said the bouncing ball thing or you could trigger that to use that to power the light as opposed to so when they pick it up right and then that sort of triggers there right okay okay well let us just go right back to the marketing ideas for a start it is keeping an idea on the time we have got about 15 minutes to play with at most so yeah so just to bear in mind that the ultimate goal of this meeting is to reach an absolute decision on the concepts of the product so back to your idea about incorporating the idea of like fruit and veg and the corporate color and the corporate color corporate color and things like that i mean what does everybody think about does anybody have any ideas about how we can fit all that in together that is kind of the user interface type of thing what are your thoughts on that i reckon we call for a very maybe not a fruit shape but a very sort of curvy type shape you can have this entire texture and color as stuff so maybe are we thinking something that could sit in your hand comfortably or just that you would hold on to you comfortably or i am probably sitting your hand comfortably so so something quite curvy okay right okay color wise i mean you made it i can not remember who made the point about how if you have a nice bright color you will not lose it is that what is that about how if you have a bright color you will not lose it so much yeah and when the corporate color is yellow i mean maybe we could think about about the color of the whole product being yellow i do not know and then obviously the materials but has anybody got like an overall picture in their mind about what might work well i mean i am thinking that what we need to do is have something that kind of unifies a lot of the different concepts and if we think that what we are our number one marketing motive is the look and feel so for the look and feel to seem coherent and not just sort of bits and pieces of of of concept and technology or whatever or fashion then we should have it kind of come back to one thing that we kind of all sort of can visualize maybe what we could do is think about a concept which touches back to the color you said company color yellow i mean if we think of something like i was saying also lime and lemon you know what can we come up with something where we try and associate it with like the series we just come up with something like that we kind of use it as a theme to inspire the shapes and things right is there a particular shape that you are interested in like is marketing have any research on does it need to be long does it need with a square thing or like you are like circular in shape yeah because that will help narrow down the choice of yeah choice of material yeah i was kind of thinking about it as well you know how you get these shock resistant mobile phones and they are plastic but then also rubber around the outside it kind of feels kind of warmer to the touch it feels a bit more comfortable maybe we could incorporate plastic and rubber into it and then we could have curved shapes because wood or titanium yeah it is going to have to be boxy and rectangular and i think we might be moving away from that you know do we really want it in like the shape of a lemon no no i do not think we do either it is more just that we think about what it is we are trying to achieve and then we have one sort of theme that we stick with okay right well so thoughts about the actual shape as a thing i am quite like a snowman type shape a snowman shape a sort of large a bit sits in your hand and then you have got to be another bulb at the top or just any other function you need that is quite a distinctive shape that would be good would not it yeah yeah so yeah should we go with that can we yeah like to and what like do you have a do you want to draw it on the board yeah just to visualize it you have got 2 grips there maybe it could fall up and you got a 3rd grip inside so call that the snowman shape trademark that is cool and color wise what does everybody think i think it is quite important to get yellow in there somewhere i mean do you want the whole thing yellow maybe yellow and white do you want something i think it is quite nice i just add this bit around here the sort of background yellow and then have a nice bold color for the buttons okay cool and also i mean how are we going to do i mean how are we going to incorporate this slogan in the fact that it talks to you i mean it might be quite cool if when you 1st start using it it says what is it putting fashion into electronics or something i do not know or when you like if you turn it off or something if it can speak if you could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere any thoughts on that at all i think that probably scare me turn it on you i know so unless i mean if you also like where if we wanted to incorporate an lcd display where would we put that would we put that on the inside do we need an lcd display what is the functionality it is bound to increase the cost of it a lot yeah but the question is what are we using it what would we achieve from it putting in lights is cheap but putting an lcd panel just to make it glow is a bit lower when you mentioned lcd i was saying i wonder what that would be about and the thing i could see it helping with be if it was somehow connected with listings so as you scroll through because we said we might have a jog dial as you scroll through your stations you can you actually tells you what it is i think that will be a problem because we do not have an input device to get the listings into it so it is a bit nuts to get the user monday tuesday wednesday so no need for an lcd display i am not saying there is no need for an lcd display but it is what is what what will it tell the user because the lcd tends to be an output as opposed to an input so there is a remote control need to talk back to the user we have the option of the speaker as well the same thing goes for the speaker is there a need for the remote control to i do not know there is really talk back i would say no need for talk back does anybody disagree with that we could put a game on it when the tv dies you can play with the remote control right so you are going to have the 3 different sets of functionalities i mean do you want to group them into head of the snowman volley of the snowman inside of the snowman is that what you are thinking well i think the advanced ones the ones you do not usually use could be hit inside okay i think the 3 groups we had were pretty basic ones that had to go on the front somewhere okay what else do you need to talk about where would you physically position the buttons i think that has some impact on many things maybe you want to draw into the so i am just going to pop this in here because i have a slide about decision making which i would forgotten about 0 go on we have got 5 minutes okay back ago energy do you think that is suggesting where are powering the thing i really like the idea of this kinetic thing where you would have the backup of the battery but have kinetic power i mean what is it going to be kinetic things before and the one issue we need to keep in mind with them is that you are committing the user to moving it no like i said we have a hybrid kind of thing so it is not going to charge the battery right okay it is just it is just worth pointing out because i have known people to have kinetic watches that they wear all the time and it is just like magic because it is always powered and there is no battery i have also known people to have things like a jewelry watch they wear from time of just time they eventually just say it is just too much of a nuisance because i do not wear it all the time look remote control is similar your way on vacation i do not know whatever you something and it just starts to get worn down so we should think of that if you are away and you are not using it then you are not using any power either so you would have the battery as they kind of to keep it ticking over idea i am really so we are going to have to wrap up quickly as much time as i thought and so i think that is what energy is referring to here chip on print is that that is an industrial design thing is it david yes yes okay as for the case kind of discussed that and this size here i would suggest this be small yeah and we are going to have like rubber buttons that feel kind of okay just a lot of i mean one of things running through my mind right now i realize we are being efficient to wrap up the meeting and have lots of decisions made but we are leaning quite a bit to the side being low tech rubber buttons plastic frame it is almost like we are reproducing the same old remote control that is out there should we think about how we are actually getting this high tech user friendly theme like what is it that we are using to achieve those goals like like backlighting the buttons and stuff like that or even a clear case you know a glowing a glowing yellow type case where the yellow is showable but in the dark it is sort of it is alive in a slight slightly transparent yeah so it is yellow like tinted yellow but you can maybe see through it or there might be a light running through it like a mouse sure you know you have coales mice and they do not need that much power so the battery in that sense maybe have one or 2 strategically placed lights sure that sort of yeah they emanate a light through it yeah but because the case is transparent so it gives it a little bit of a glow does it make it freaky and then the other thing that we have committed ourselves to achieving is simplicity and so i am thinking maybe should we try and think about having something like some kind of an innovative concept about how the volume and the channels are controlled because that is the main thing people just want to do could we use like a jog dial like a nice to sort of round somewhere on it where you just roll it when you are rolling it how do you want to roll it do you want them to roll it like that do you want them to roll it like that because in a mouse your hand is in a position to roll it whereas the other thing about having a jog doll this way it tends to get moved accidentally yeah if you are holding it in your hand you could do that could not you if you were holding it in your hand that is a very unnatural motion to yeah can you imagine you have to scroll a lot it might work for volume and maybe some of the brightness controls and stuff like that but not for channels right if you have a telewest box you have got like you do not have to buy all the channels you can imagine trying to and i do not think having that you know too quick to slow kind it is confusing to the i do not know for skipping watchman on your channels you have to skip the channel button but users tend to tend to want to use that and once they lose out and then user experience it like because that becomes the most accessible okay but that is not a bad thing is it just because if you think about it the alternative is to go push the button yeah jogdals are much easier than that okay right well we do need to make a decision whether we want to incorporate a jog dial in nice and quickly i am all for them actually i think they are quite you know very quick to use so does anybody oppose the idea of incorporating one into the design at all no and the other thing was can we think of any way of getting the slogan into this thing yeah like i mean if we if we if we can keep coming back to this board here i would not be surprised if we could take this idea imagine that i do not know that it is within the shape of the hand it is quite small 0 okay we have really got to wrap up yeah it is small and that we have got like the slogan somewhere like on the casing of the side well if we can do that great yeah well i mean is not that what we just said we just have to decide now yeah let us try and get the slogan on there and then like a jog dial somewhere that fits in with the shape of it like i do not know like here that that might have one problem in terms of in terms of whether you are left handed or your right handed you might be locking yourself in or maybe just fit it in like down the middle here can i just jump in and suggest something i am really going to have to hurry on here because we are actually over time is there anything anybody is unsure about just for in closing just for including the next meeting is going to be in 30 minutes and so you can see in the screen here what each of you are going to hopefully be doing and i know that the designers are going to be played out on that so that will be good and i will get the minutes up as same as possible anything at all you think we have not discussed that we need to is everybody kind of happy about what they are going to be doing i think one thing would be the jog dial because that is going to have quite a big impact on yeah i think the jog dial you know just after you drew that what if it was flat and you just that is what i was thinking a slide because then you you do not have to put the hand i think incorporating your logo is quite straightforward there is lots of space for it that is kind of a design thing that you guys can yeah but it is also a marketing and a function and materials we sort of said we do plastic and rubber yeah yeah and i think maybe we should try and to stay away from just the big protruding rubber buttons because that will just be so standard do it is something flush with the case something a bit more flush yeah okay maybe have rubber incorporated into the case as well and also plastic i have seen can get really textured so you can get plastics that actually feel soft in your hand you feel like fruit they feel kind of like you get pens now and then that you think that they were rubber but they are not they are actually just plastic that is textured kind of a little bit i am going to have to call us to your clothes because we are away over time so that is really good like we have had so much to talk about that pretty much run out of time to do so off you do and design stuff played all down yeah quite jealous actually you got to choose 1st no we are kidding can i just swipe your power cable i do not think it matters i am going to pull everybody out 1st and then put in whatever needs to be left it is you i am going to take the microphones because it is too i am going to take the microphones because it is too lazy to take them off again cool" ]

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designer would you like to go 1st okay so are we supposed to bring the little things for the yeah why do not you just c i think just clip on clip do you have a belt clip or put em in your pocket yeah yeah okay so my favorite animal yeah what is your favorite animal kay ah is it rude it is an elephant that is a very good elephant the back end of an elephant 0 my gosh i am never going to be able to draw that well kay and you want to write up on there it says you have got to sum up your f f your favorite characteristics of that animal okay it is big it has got a great memory does it 0 supposed to have a great memory we say an elephant never forgets and dunno know why but looks like nice to me okay nice animal wonderful well done do you want to use the wipe the m the wiper and wipe it off okay and mister esthetics designer do you want to go next esthetic yep sure i have no idea what my favorite animal is kay my favorite animal let us see 0 it is dunno if any of you have seen napoleon dynamite before it is a liger a combination of a lion and tiger no a what alright have you not seen napoleon dynamite how no no no 0 it is a hilarious movie you have to see it and and it is best characteristic is it is pretty much the awesomest animal but you have to see the movie to fully appreciate it okay well done great me yeah miss mar miss marketing okay not quite sure how this is going to work there go cool well i will try my best to draw can i just draw the face yeah i think you can just draw the face but then you will have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks ooh it is a cat that is a very pr pretty cat which also has what a big fat body and big and a long tail okay do y do you want to do some write you want to just write some words about it why because cuddly and usually cats are very friendly usually and they are healing as well they heal and they can feel when a human has got problems so wow so they are kinda spiritual so that is why i like cats well done there we are that is me okay i do not actually have a favorite animal but for the for th for this meeting i will s draw a little i honestly can not draw for toffee really 0 that is a yeah no no a prairie dog 0 a squirrel that is exactly what it is not a very good one not bad i would say yeah that is pretty good okay well you got it is a s it is a squirrel and i like them because they are cute and stupid very good ah alright right okay so i guess that was the test to see if this equipment is all working let us move on to the next page okay project finance selling price €25 profit aim €50000000 market range internationally sold yeah production cost ah right it has got to be can not cost any more than 1250 to make ah right okay experience with with remote control so talk about who who is used what any ideas stuff like that next meeting starts in 30 minutes at quarter to 12 so i think before we close we are expected i mean the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our what our ideas where i mean if you want to go back to the last slide yeah yeah s yeah i think we are i mean before we close the meeting we are supposed to come up with some ideas for 0 k so we are actually supposed to be doing this discussion like right now are we or 0 okay yeah yeah yeah i thought this was just t giving us instructions for the re to do next but yeah i think this is just the preliminary get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remote controls have been and and what we would roughly what we would incorporate into a new one maybe okay right who has got experiences with remote controls then pretty much everybody yeah yeah i think we have all got is this a t v one we are supposed to make yeah yeah it is a t v remote control okay kay well t a new remote control for t v what would i like w what you want it big do you want it small medium are we are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or we are going for something that is that is big and yeah it seems like there is like there is sort of a tension between 2 ideas i mean you want you want one remote that maybe can work all all of the functions of t v and if you have whatever associated with t v the d v d player video and ts hi fi and stuff or something like that but like at the same time you do not want to really busy remote with a 1000 buttons on it or something maybe you yeah now th that is the other thing is it has got to be cheap yeah cause i i i mean i was thinking something that has got different like maybe a a an l c d display on it that has got different pages for different devices but that would p that would probably be quite expensive but how do we know how much i mean how much do we have per how much 1250 1250 it g can not be more than 1250 per unit each per unit yeah cost so do we have to be realistic within the budget or well at the moment we could close pr i do not know how much it would cost guess wa i mean we cause we this is what we th what we are doing at the moment is just saying what what we would like yeah and then after we after we have found out what we can like some different ideas we can then go and do the research to find out if these any of these ideas are feasible or not right so would be nice to have something that that controls lots of different things yeah could not we have like one that comes out like so you have one in like it does not have to be really thick yeah i mean remote controls can be thin bits and then you have one for your d v d and you sort of slide it out and then you have another one you slide it out kay have slides and then it all comes compact okay that is into one so it is not you actually just putting 3 or 4 different remotes together but making them thinner and into one basically th that is an idea yeah so you just flip them out okay have one very complicated one on one side with all the d v d and v c r access and stuff and then on the other side 01 a remote control that would be very very simple with just the channel program +and -and the just the mute button for example i can real keep it really really simple on one side and the other side be very complicated one side for kids one side for adults i am not sure if that is like yeah or grandma as well you know it is like what is the mute button i am not sure if it is a good idea to have a 2 sided remote though cause it would be very hard to use in the way that you mani manipulate it no but you would slide it into someth like something on the back would hold like you would not be able to press the buttons but 0 0 okay like it or something like a flip telephone something like that maybe yeah okay that would be cool i was thinking that like a flip f flip it open and you have got all the buttons or you flip it closed and you have just got the basic buttons on the outside maybe 0 we have got 5 minutes left start breaking up okay but okay well we have got a k we have got a few ideas there yeah we should i guess by the end of this meeting we should have at least a a rough conception you know stage one was technical functions design what effect the apparatus should have okay so i mean we still have time in our next meeting to come up with the actual concept for the user interface but the the functions that we are sure that we want are that it can control the t v but also devices connected to the to the t v i mean be able to operate yeah d v d players things like that i have got i think we should also have a back up plan of i cause i i i just think that it might be expensive to make something that i mean we do not we have not been told it has to be something that will control everything yeah we should have a back up plan of just a really good television remote control yeah that just that is just for a t v but it is just a really good nice one okay right what do you reckon yeah i mean see cause i am just thinking bearing in mind th we have got to we have to have something that is cheap to make yeah that is true maybe we should just concentrate on having a a good t v remote and have it be i think we will be able to come up with ideas and stuff a lot quicker have it be like ergonomic so it is comfortable to use simple to use and looks decent and yeah may w you know maybe even but what will make it what will make it interesting for people to buy though or maybe even so something that is for disabled people or so people that b do not see very well or big buttons for touchy buttons for i mean if it is if it is just like sorta find a niche for our remote like market it to a certain kind of p kind of people yeah yeah certain certain demographic or just one that looks really fucking cool yeah no i think you are right could be really light or i dunno something special yeah rathe rather than focus on otherwise we will be we will be here all day talking about do this let us do that n i think we sh i think we should y yeah yeah cause at the end of the day if it says just t v remote does not say com combination with all all the r yeah yeah i mean obviously everyone we are you know sounds like we are all a bit sort of gadget heads and we like things that do everything at once remotes spinning out from other remotes and having little nested remotes inside but you know that is yeah yeah that is right yeah i mean i would like one that makes tea as well but that is not going to happen i think a flip up thing cause you always have this problem of like if it is on this well i did anyway like we had 5 or 6 remotes and they would be lying on the c on the coach and you would come and sit down and ooh the telephone is the television switched on or something so maybe something that like does have a lid or closes so you do not accidentally press a button or record button for something okay like a lock f like a lock functs function on it like you have on your telephones yeah yeah but make it like really snazzy and cool people will want it so make it yeah yeah it has got to be sellable yeah yeah yeah that is true what you were saying i mean it does not have to have a flip function it can just have a lock function so that it is not not usable when you do not want it to be usable yeah yeah okay and even for kids as well it is it is safer for them i guess like they do not flick onto channels and all that sl flick onto no porn channel for children okay okay alright so we have got some ideas we have got i guess that is good good for now let us move on oops let us close that next meeting okay w what does i d v i d n m e stand for industrial designer which is ah ri okay these are requirement specification that is and i am marketing yeah there you go so user interface designer that is that is that is you so you got to you go you are you are going to be the one that is working out what what buttons we need that is me okay right right industrial designer you are the one you know you are going to be working out kind of box it goes in i guess so whether it is what goes into the box somehow har how it works an and in marketing these are requirement specification bu user requirements specifications so what the user requires yeah what do you think our 2 kind of overlap because in a remote right okay yeah yeah it does seem like our our responsibilities have some overlap i guess that is what it says you 2 you 2 are going to be just i think you just double up you know you working together yeah yeah you are the one that has got to go and find out do th do the research see what people want in a remote what buttons are used more often and s stuff like that 0 we have been warned to finish the meeting now okay okay everyone well done good meeting alright see you in 30 minutes yeah so do we take these off i do not" ]

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[ "okay is that okay on the call or no i do not know where to put it because then okay could you take a kilo can not take it is that right i think or yeah okay okay it is coming off it is fiddly how do we start does anybody know 0 another one so that is this so that is this 0 okay right are we free to take notes yeah i think it is a very same okay just hang on a 2nd everybody i have not actually looked at this yet ah ah very nice i have not looked it but let us just start it off home and we will see what happens if you are all ready opening acquaintance tool training project plan discussion and then closing project aim is a new remote control it is original trendy and it is user friendly project method functional design individual work and then a meeting conceptual design individual work and a meeting details design individual work and a meeting tool training try out the whiteboard every participant should draw their favorite animal and sum up their favorite characteristics of that animal okay miss industrial designer would you like to go 1st so are we supposed to bring the little things yeah well you just i think just clip it do you have a belt clip them back to your back 0 put them in your pocket yeah okay so my favorite animal yeah what is your favorite animal okay ah is it rude that is an elephant that is a very good elephant 0 my gosh i have never got to be able to draw that well okay and you want to write up on there it says you have got to sum up your favorite characteristics of that animal okay it is big it has got a great memory is it it is supposed to have a great memory you say an elephant never forgets and i do not know why but it looks like nice to me okay wonderful well done do you want to use the wiper and wipe it off and this is the esthetics designer do you want to go next i have no idea what my favorite animal is okay my favorite animal let us see 0 i know if any of you have seen napoleon daniel before it is a lager a what a combination of a lion and tiger all right you have not seen napoleon dynamite no it is a hilarious movie you have to see it and its best characteristic is it is pretty much the awesomest animal but you have to see the movie that you have to see the movie that but you have to see the movie to fully appreciate it okay well done great me yeah miss marketing okay i am not quite sure this is going to work cool well i will try my best to draw can i just draw the face yeah i think you can just draw the face but then you will have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks it is a cap that is a very which also has what a big fat body and feet and a long tail okay do you want to just write some words about it why because cuddly and usually cats are very friendly usually and they are healing as well they heal and they can feel when a human has got problems they are kind of spiritual so that is why i like cats well done there we are it is me do do do do do okay i do not actually have a favorite animal but for the for the meeting i will draw a little i honestly can not draw for tommy i honestly can not draw for toffee really facts no it is just that is just a prairie dad no 0 squirrel that is exactly what it is not a very good one not bad i would say yeah that is pretty good okay well you got it it is a i like them because they are cute and stupid very good aww alright right okay so i guess that was the test to see if this equipment is all working let us move on to the next page okay project finance selling price €25 profit aim €50000000 like it is internationally sold yeah production costs it can not cost any more than $1250 to make good i was experienced with remote control so talk about who is used what any ideas stuff like that next meeting starts in 30 minutes at quarter to 12 i think before we close we are expected i mean the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our ideas were i mean if you want to go back to the last slide yeah yeah yeah i think we are i mean before we close the meeting we are supposed to come up with some ideas for 0 so we are actually supposed to be doing this discussion like right now are we yeah yeah 0 okay okay i thought this was just giving us instructions for the to do next yeah i think this is just the preliminary get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remote controls have been and what we would roughly what we would incorporate into a new one maybe okay all right who has got experiences with remote controls then pretty much everybody is this a tv one was supposed to me yeah yeah it is a tv remote control okay okay a new remote control for tv what would i like what you want it big do you want it small medium are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or are going for something that is that is big and you want it big and it seems like there is like there is sort of a tension between 2 ideas i mean you want one remote that maybe can work all of the functions of tv and if you have whatever associated with the tv the dvd players like that but at the same time you do not want a really busy remote with a 1000 buttons on it or something maybe yeah that is the other things is it is going to be cheap yeah because i mean i was thinking something that has got different like maybe an lcd display on it that has got different pages for different devices but that would probably be quite expensive but how do we know how much i mean how much do we have per how much it can not be more than 1250 per unit per unit yeah cast so do we have to be realistic within the budget well at the moment i mean because we this is what we are doing at the moment is just saying what we would like and then after we found out what we can like some different ideas we can then go and do the research to find out if any of these ideas are feasible or not so it would be nice to have something that controls lots of different things could not we have like one that comes up comes out like so you have one in like it does not have to be really thick i mean remote controls can be thin bits and then you have one for your dvd and you sort of slide it out and then you have another one you slide it out so it slides and then it all comes compact okay that is a light so it is not you are actually just putting 3 or 4 different remotes together but making them thinner and into one basically that is an idea so you just flip them out okay i have one very complicated one on one side with all the dvd and vcr access and stuff and then on the other side a remote control that would be very very simple with just the channel program +and -and then just the mute button for example i can keep it really really simple on one side and the other side be very complicated one side for kids one side for adults or grandma as well you know i am not sure if it is a good idea to have a 2 sided remote because it would be very hard to use in the way that you no but you would slide it into something like something on the back would hold like you would not be able to press the buttons or something like a flip telephone something like that maybe that would be cool flip it open and you have got all the buttons or you flip it closed and you have just got their basic buttons on the outside maybe 0 we have got 5 minutes left start breaking up okay well we have got a few ideas there yeah we should i guess by the end of this meeting we should have at least a rough conceptual i mean what was stage one was technical functions design what effect the apparatus should have okay so i mean we still have time in our next meeting to come up with the actual concept for the user interface but the functions that we are sure that we want are that it can control the tv but also devices connected to the tv yeah i mean be able to operate dvd players things like that i think we should also have a backup plan of because i just think that it might be expensive to make something that i mean we have not been told it has to be something that will control everything we should have a backup plan just a really good television remote control that is just for a tv but it is just a really good nice one what do you reckon yeah because i am just thinking bearing in mind we have to have something that is cheap to make yeah that is true maybe we should just concentrate on having a good tv remote and have it be i think we will be able to come up with ideas and stuff a lot quicker have it be like ergonomic so it is comfortable to use simple to use and looks decent what will make it interesting for people to buy though well maybe even something that is for disabled people or some people that do not see very well or big buttons for touchy buttons sort of find a niche for our remote like market it to a certain kind of people or just one that looks really fucking cool yeah no i think you are right could be really light or i do not know something special yeah rather than focus on otherwise we would be here all day talking about 0 to do this let us do that i think we should yeah because at the end of the day it says just tv remote it does not say combination all the i mean obviously everyone you know it sounds like we are all a bit sort of gadget heads and we like things that do everything in once but remotes spinning out from other remotes yeah having a little nested remotes inside yeah that is that is fine yeah i mean i would like one that makes tea as well but that is not going to happen i think a flip up thing because you always have this problem of like if it is on this well i did anyway like we had 5 or 6 remotes and they would be lying on the couch and you would come and sit down and ooh the television switched on or something so maybe something that like does have a lid or closes so you do not accidentally press a button or record button or something like a lock function on it like you have on your telephones yeah but make it like really snazzy and cool that people who want it yeah yeah it has got to be sellable yeah that is true what you were saying i mean it does not have to have a flip function it can just have a lock function so that it is not usable when you do not want it to be usable yeah okay and even for kids as well it is safer for them i guess like they do not flick onto the channels are not allowed to flick onto no porn channel for children okay all right so we have got some ideas let us move on oops let us cross that what does id v i d and m e stand for industrial designer 0 okay which is are these recurrent specifications and i am marketing yeah there you go so that is user interface designer that is that is me that is you so you have got to there you go you are going to be the one that is working out what buttons we need right industrial designer you are the one of you are going to be working out what kind of box it goes in i guess or whether it is i what goes into the box what goes into the box somehow how it works how the marketing the user requires so what the user requires yeah what right okay yeah i guess you 2 are going to be just i think you are just double you know working together you are the one that has got to go and find out do the research see what people want in a remote what buttons are used more often and stuff like that 0 we have been warned to finish the meeting now okay okay everyone well done good meeting all right see you in 30 minutes yeah so do we take this off i do not know" ]

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slogan yeah that we need to incorporate it is very simple logo okay brilliant if you do need buttons you can flip it over and there is some there but mainly it is speech recognition okay okay so the buttons would be like you know individual users or yeah yeah yeah and yeah they might project things onto the screen which you can do on there alright okay i am not sure about that and this one is the one w more like the one w that we looked at earlier right yeah you guys can have a look at that if you want that is groovy yeah well i like the feel of it i like the feel of it can i have yeah sure that one is 0 no it is delicate 0 sorry s at 0 dear that is that is already got its stand that one that is it stand alright okay it does also lie flat but that is the that yellow stand there represents the the charging stand okay brilliant the black on the back is the slogan okay nice and obvious there if it is standing up i guess yeah yeah that well we did think of that yeah if it is standing up it is it is on there but also we are going to have the company name on the front which is the little black kind of line in the middle 0 right okay brilliant like that from its center so and that is the transmit the l e d thing these are the s 2 scroll ones which we thought could be channel up and down and volume up and down we n were were not sure about putting them there because i it is it kind of could get bashed where you are yeah were you are holding it kind of yeah well if you hold it you can you all can hold it is it does actually feel quite ergonomic if you have got small hands yeah obviously i do not think that is real sized okay it would have to be a bit bigger yeah okay yeah scale model yeah okay that is a speaker at the top so you can speak into it like a little walkie talkie as well for speak recognition and then the buttons yeah kind of self explanatory just buttons whenever you need them tried to keep it simple 0 that is the charging base prongs at the bottom alright excellent we used those and then the big red button in the middle is the on and off one it is not in the traditional place but it is quite an obvious place okay no it is out of the way as well i suppose so excellent so there we go and and we have the banana based one too 0 yeah yeah yep this one is i suppose for the younger audiences okay so so barney the banana a a more friendly type of right right it is to induce more television watching i suppose or ah excellent just what we need yeah yeah say it for the camera lo sort of loch ness banana right right cool yeah well nice to have options at least yeah yep so are there any improvements or issues or kay and it will not stand 0 there are issues 0 there are issues just let it lie down it wont stand main problem that we have unfortunately being finance 0 let us just enter in the evaluation criteria unfortunately the unit we are currently going to produce minus the extra scroll buttons it is going to cost us €146 0 so we have to rea sorry i have accidentally highlighted somehow what is on the on the left there we go okay 0 god why is it doing that ooh there we go so basically in order to save our €2 i was thinking that we could have essentially the same shape but just have it flattened more like a traditional remote control yeah i mean it is already got a kind of cool shape so but it would not have to be curved sort of in and out and by doing so 0 no hold on does not save us quite as much i do not know what is going on with this again w why is the double curved 2 of them 0 good point and double curve on both sides curve yeah this is double curve no that is sort of curve in and out this is double curve is i it this one is single curve cause this is single curve this is curved on both sides so double curve no i think it means double curved as in like a single curve on that bottom half like an s shape and the double curved would be if it was that similar curve upward okay okay i might be wrong though like this one curve on this side one curve on that side i do not think that counts as a curve i think that is just a shape okay a curvature is like the this case maybe cause that is the the biggest expense there right okay yeah and why why i have got it 2 i do not know i can not seem to select any more however got 2 of them okay well we can work around that right no cut things out but you think it should be one it is meant to be one yeah i do not know why i put 2 in there okay but hold on till i find it i think this shift button might be stuck again no maybe the shift button is stuck in yeah okay so that would take away 3 which would give us should 0 that is fine yeah so we are €1111 60 cool cool so we could even add something we cou 0 not quite have the scroll wheel unfortunately we should fire the accountants what fire the accountants ah yeah we could add things maybe if you click back in that bottom right cell where you are starting from and then use the arrow keys yeah does that work yeah i know that just extends it as well no you can do one thing i do not know you just select one box outsi yeah this box then move it with the help of this okay it one of the buttons is sticking i do not know just just okay just a minute okay no input like this shift no it is not no it is cause the the shift button is stuck or something yeah it is not working is it the other shift button maybe should we ask meli should we ask our technical expert melissa no that is fine we have worked out what it would be anyway did you try both shift buttons it could be the other side yeah cancel piss off that is too bad 0 well never mind right so that is finances and i dunno what we what could we reckon we could add well maybe we could add something but maybe if what do you th we are trying to save money so well i suppose that is our that is that is our design that we have got yeah if we are happy with the design there is no point in spending money if we do not have to so yeah but if there is anything you think we have missed out there then you know feel free to add it maybe i mean obviously it would be bigger so there might be more space for the the slogan on the front because it is not in an ideal place right now yeah yeah well that is that is okay so project evaluation we have under €12 50 project process how do we think that went are we happy 0 yeah i think we have a a winning product okay evaluation 0 we have been writing this up for m months i think it went quite smoothly room for creativity were we happy with that w i think we were very creative no i mea i think it means sort of individually 0 right okay yes no maybe okay groovy so we are just going to yeah okay teamwork leadership sorry great leadership excellent leadership thank you very much you are all get you are all getting a raise teamwork i thought went well yeah yeah yeah yeah everyone got enough input i think yeah and well means yeah yeah we the technical stuff was brilliant let us buy more yeah right yeah i do not know what new ideas found means to be honest these pens are are neat though yeah these are new ideas like glow in the dark or something like that we discussed all the new ideas but of course we could not reach any proper goals we could not use these but we h we are using these scroll buttons like this these are new ideas we and new shapes everything yeah kay at le yeah groovy so just general thumbs up for all of us then that kind of unfortunately is too quick okay okay well i suppose yeah so let us talk about our bonuses and the raises we are getting for this right that is it i think another couple of days holiday pay might be well in order for all of you right right let us see if i can get this bloody thing to work maybe we should start cleaning up the clay whoops yeah maybe so does it go back in does it reusable something we should get i do not know what this is but it is really really annoying so brian have you have you finished huh i have yes mine needs also this huh at last mine is also the presentation 0 right okay you have got more okay yeah yeah 0 you got a presentation sorry sorry 0 ok it did not bother to tell me that on this s thing is it okay is the project evaluated that is mine does not tell me 0 you are doing that yeah we evaluated ourselves we thought we were great yeah love to eat that now anybody kind of a green banana now clay covered banana it is this as well sorry we forgot to mention it will be made out of kind of a rubbery latex new material that we have got 0 okay hold on i have got blue i wonder w which cell do i want it is fun to touch yeah so okay i did not realize you had that bit yeah so 0 could you pass the tomato please sorry thank you so now is the final evaluation final evaluation of the of our product how we are going to means at what standard what standard whether it meets our standards or not how mu what rating we will give to these products so of course this is will be a team work w we together have to decide wha what rating we will give to this product and everything okay so what methodology i will tell you on what basis we are going to discuss all this we will give the rating to this product based on the user requirements whether it meets the user requirements or not this product then trends whether it is as fashion trends or not means because we have already stated that people do prefer fashionable things nowadays so this is also an important factor for our evaluation also then marketing strategy of the company as we have already discussed that our company is quite in the market not only in terms of providing quality products not only in pro providing latest technologies but also in terms of providing environmental s sorry sorry carry on yeah so but also in terms of providing environmental safe products yeah like keeping keeping in mind all the safety issues so now comes the criteria rating with 7 point scale okay i am having this scale this scale so we have to do it on a board okay alright okay the user requirem i think the board working again is it do we have the the marker for the board thank you there it is so so these are the 3 crite criterias for our evaluation of our product 1st of all comes user requirement so we will see whether this product meets all user requirements or not i i will 1st i would like to have your views what do you think whether it meets all user requirements or not i think yeah it did it had all the basic buttons that they needed as well as the new technology that people said they wanted s yeah so when the user requirement is essentially just to operate the t v so yeah of course we have not actually got a working model yet does it work yeah so so what do you think you will personally give i would say 7 7 7 is good yeah is not it i can not true or false no sorry tr one is true one yeah one is means highest ranking okay yeah but i think highest ranking is 7 or one no it is it is like true is one end and false is the oth no that is false okay right right okay so one so it is one for from your point of view yep and what do you say our industrial expert it is hard to know i i give it a 2 d you can you can tell on on the like i think she has given her views on the basis of design because she was our i interface expert okay but you can give your views based on technology whether the technology meets the requirements of the customers or not yeah i think i it might even exceed it but i guess there is a kind of a shortage of buttons i am going to give it a 2 2 2 and what about you brian 0 i will go for a one you will go for one basic requirements but of the pro of the project okay for me personally it is everything fine it may be having good design it may be meeting all the requirements of the customers like technology wise price wise but there is one thing which limits the customers like we are having only 23 designs like we are having one banana design and the other one is orange and yeah lower end yeah th yellow and the 3rd one is what you ge that is not a f fruit look huh but if a person does not like banana or orange you are limiting him come on that was the tha kay huh no do not buy our product because we are l we like this only okay so we are showing our preference for particular fruits 2 or 3 kinds rather and yeah being fruitist is that no is that not trends so no personally as a marketing expert i do not believe that because whatever companies they launch their products in the shape of fruits they give a range of products a range of shapes like if we see look at the smallest thing toffee chocolates they give a variety of different things some children like to buy banana shape some apple shape some even pineapple shape some orange shape so you can what shape a person will like so in this case giving only one or 2 choices we are lim limiting our customers and by limiting them we are limiting our sales limiting our profit also huh but in electronics i think it is not q always quite so you do not always have so many choices as with chocolates i think you know if you are going to buy a t v maybe a company will have that you are going to choose from a company will have 2 or 3 choices but they are different designs we were coming up with one product maybe okay but i will i will personally will not give it beyond 3 no i mean obviously your opinion i am just trying to okay so we can he is a tough cookie yeah on an average we can think 34 sevenths maybe 3 or 4 no sorry it should be 6 5 or 6 what are we doing no sorry sorry sorry sorry we are doing a very wrong thing what are we doing adding them up we are going to average them yeah yeah we are taking everything and that is i have taken it very wrongly okay 0 so 7 fourths yeah 3442677 sev yeah one pe exactly about one point f one8 so we can say one or 2 okay okay because it is one82 so we will do 2 0 i see yeah round it up to 2 yeah okay yeah so where were the trends so trends can you explain what you want us to write there sorry how it how conforms to the current trends yeah again the the fashion trends this also like whether it it will be fashionable to have these products in the as a fruit shape or something okay well going on the specifications that we had that fruit and vegetables are quite popular and that people like something that is good to look at and not many buttons i would give it well because it is hard to make a fruit good to look at that that looks cool you know so i would actually give it a 3 tha 3 or 4 i am not sure 3 okay go for 3 yeah that is fine kay as far as the technology it its got the latest trends in speech technology but it is missing the screen as we said but it does have the push buttons or the scroll buttons but it does not have that fancy solar power or the the vibrating energy mechanism so i give it a a 4 i would give it a kinda middle of the road for for technology yeah i am sort of pret just the fruit does me in i mean it might it might be trendy to some but i am just not swallowing the fruit so also i would have liked to have seen the l c d screen in it yeah so yeah i would say about 4 as well okay personally i wi i think that in terms of trends these products are quite good like these products are in fruit shape because that wha people now our fashion trend shows that people like everything all f everything that is being advertised like clothes shoes and everything is being advertised in the form of fruits and vegetables or getting them or showing some association with them so and in this way our product is good and the 2nd thing now people do not want any complicated or bulky products and ours is quite simple and quite handy so that is also ef that also our product meets the f the fashion trends of the market and yes it is cus spongy also so they can play with it it is quite good so then i think maybe i can give it 2 so 45101313 so we can is it fine so what about company strategy yeah well it was yellow yeah the company strategy okay there was lot of discussing that was good i feel i got my say so i would give the company strategy a 2 okay well i think it is the the remote control conforms to the the company strategy okay yeah yeah is that the question is it okay okay so one or 2 yeah one okay just leave it it is fine i will go with 2 so what about you brian yeah a 3 pretty much kept to the company strategy so i would go for a a one as we not only kept it but we were limited by yeah and me also like this product me me me this meets all company strategy like our product should be as per customers requirement as per latest technology and it should be environmental safe so since our product meets all these requirements so i would also prefer to give it rank one so 466 so one5 yeah one half so we can say 2 or one okay a 2 so th 77 overall we are getting 2 something but we can round it as 2 yep okay cool groovy yeah so i think overall evaluation of our product is quite good s cool so we can launch it yeah brilliant woo hoo in which case we are done cause we have evaluated and we are within budget okay cool so yeah champagne lunch anyone yeah great" ]

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[ "0 is this how you are i am just in front no back back it is part back no no it is funny it does not look as cool it is pretty cool you look kind of like rambo i think alright hold on come on play the game look see this way it can not fall off i think that is yeah come on come on damn it down okay okay i will use the powerpoint i guess how was that was that fun yeah yeah very fun okay 0 i have forgotten to mail you the minute but i will do oops daisy we yeah all right okay yeah this one gets a pen 0 right okay do you guys are 1st with your prototype before we get to the good news yeah there is good news we have budget problems 0 my fridge are all sacks oops i thought you would have to someone there okay have you a presentation to make no not my idea so just you are sure maybe we should ring on the camera can say that okay sure okay we made 3 for you one is based on the banana one is based on the tomato and the other one rattle yeah well yeah we had some red left over 0 i see okay okay so this is the non buttons one or as few buttons as possible mainly speak recognition the yellow there is the slogan yeah that we need to incorporate very simple if you do need buttons you can flip it over and there is some there okay but mainly is speech recognition okay so the buttons would be like individual users yeah yeah yeah they might project things onto the screen which you can do on there ah right okay i am not sure about that and this one is the one more like the one that we looked at earlier right yeah you guys can have a look at it okay i like the feeling yeah sure that one is 0 no it is delicate that is already got it stand that one that is its stand it does also lie flat but that yellow sand there represents the charging stand the black on the back is the slogan okay nice and obvious yeah well we did think of that yeah if it is standing up it is on there but also we are going to have the company name on the front which is a little black kind of line in the middle 0 right okay brilliant so and that is the transmiss the led thing these are the 2 scroll ones which we thought could be channel up and down and volume up and down we were not sure about putting them there because it kind of could get bashed yeah where you are holding it kind of yeah well if you hold it you can hold it it does actually feel quite ergonomic if you have got small hands obviously i do not think that is real sized thing it would have to be a bit bigger that is a speaker at the top so you can speak into it like a little walkie talkie as well speak recognition and then the buttons kind of self explantery just buttons whatever you need them try to keep it simple 0 that is the charging base prongs at the bottom we use those of tools that trade for that the trade for that right and then the big red button in the middle is the on and off one it is not in the traditional place but it is quite obvious place excellent so there we go and we have the banana based one too this one is i suppose for the younger audiences a more friendly sort of barney the banana right right induce more television watching excellent just what you need yeah sort of lock nays banana right cool well yeah well yeah nice to have options at least yeah okay so are any improvements or issues it will not stand 0 there are issues 0 there are issues just let it lie down it will not stand the main problem that we have unfortunately being finance this is entering the evaluation criteria unfortunately the unit we are currently going to produce minus the extra scroll button it is going to cost us €146 so we have to re sorry i have accidentally highlighted somehow 0 god why is it doing that there we go so basically in order to save our €2 i was thinking that we could have essentially the same shape but just have it flattened more like a traditional remote control yeah i mean it is already got a kind of cool shape but it would not have to be curved in and out and by doing so 0 no hold on it does not save us quite as much i do not know what is going on by this again why is the double curved 2 of them 0 good point and double curve on both sides curve yeah this is double curve no this is double curve this one is single curve this is a single curve this is curve on both sides so double curve no i think it means double curved as in like an s shape like a it has got a single curve on that bottom half and the double curved would be if it was that similar curve up would curve upward okay that might be wrong like this one curve on this side one curve on that side i do not think that counts as a curve i think that is just a shape okay the curvature is like the case okay that is the biggest expense yeah and why i have got it too i do not know i can not seem to select anymore however okay well we can work around that right you know but you think it should be one it is meant to be one yeah i do not know why i put 2 in there but hold on until i find out i think this shift button might be stuck again yeah the shift button is sticking okay so that would take away 3 which would give us 0 that is fine it is €11 60 cool so we could even add something we could not quite have the scroll wheel unfortunately what fire the accountants yeah we could add things if you click back in that bottom right cell where you are starting from then use the arrow keys is that way yeah no it just extends it as well you can do one thing brian you just select one box outside yeah this box then move it with the help of this okay one of the buttons is sticking i do not know what is it okay just a minute okay now move it like this no it is because the shift buttons stunger yeah it is not working should we ask our technical which works melissa that is fine we have worked what it would be anyway did you try both shift buttons yeah cancel 0 that is too well no mind right so that is finance i do not know what we what could we reckon we could add well maybe we could something but maybe if what you are trying to save money so if we are happy with designers they are not going to if we do not have to but if there is anything you think we have missed out there then feel free to add it maybe i mean obviously it would be bigger so there might be more space for the slogan on the front because it is not in an ideal place right now that is that is okay so project evaluation we have under 12 that year is 50 project process how do we think that went are we happy i think we have a winning product okay i think we are writing this up to the i think it went quite smoothly room for creativity were we happy with that i think we were very creative i think it means sort of individually 0 right okay yes no maybe okay so are we just going to yeah okay teamwork leadership sorry excellent leadership you are all getting a raise teamwork i thought out now yeah everyone got enough input i think and well means yeah technical stuff was brilliant let us buy more right i do not know what new ideas found means to be honest yeah these are new ideas like glow in the dark or something like that we discussed all the new ideas but of course we could not reach any proper goals we could not use these latest ones but we are using the scroll buttons like this these are new ideas and new shapes everything yeah at least yeah so just general thumbs up for all that kind of unfortunately is too quick okay well i suppose yeah so let us talk about our bonuses and raises we are getting that is it i think another couple of days holiday pay might be well in order for all of you yeah oops maybe start cleaning up the play does it go back in does it reusable i do not know what it says but it is really really a night brian have you finished i have yes at the last mine is also there at the last mine is also there presentation 0 right okay you have got more 0 you got presentation sorry it did not bother to tell me that on this thing is it okay does not tell me is the project evaluated that is mine 0 you are doing that yeah we are going to evaluate ourselves we thought we were great yeah yeah i would love to be that now kind of a green banana now i like a cover of a banana it is this as well sorry we have got to mention it made out of kind of a rubbery latex new material that we have got okay hold on danny blue i have got it it is fun to touch one day one which cell they want yeah yeah so now is the final evaluation of the of our product how we are going to means at what standard what standard whether it meets our standards or not how what rating we will give to these products so of course this will be a teamwork we together have to decide what rating we will give to this product and everything so but methodology i will tell you what basis we are going to discuss all this we will give the rating to this product based on the user requirements whether it meets the user requirements or not this product then trends whether it is as per the latest fashion trends or not means because we have already studied that people do prefer fashionable things nowadays so this is also an important factor for evaluation also then marketing strategy of the company as we have already discussed that our company is quite raptured in the market not only in terms of providing quality products not only in providing latest technologies but also in terms of providing environmental yeah so but also in terms of providing environmental safe products like keeping keeping in mind all the safety issues so now comes the criteria reading with 7 point scale i am having this scale this scale so we have to do it on a board okay we should be the user do we have the marker to the board there it is thank you so so so so so these are the 3 criteria for evaluation of our product 1st of all comes user requirement so we will see whether this product meets all user requirements or not 1st i would like to have your views what do you think whether it meets all user requirements or not i think yeah it did it had all the basic buttons that they needed as well as the new technology that people said they wanted and the user requirement is essentially just to operate does it work yeah so what rating you will personally give i would say 7 7 7 is good yeah is not it true or false no sorry one one is true one is means highest ranking yeah okay but i think highest ranking is 7 no it is like true is one end okay right right so it is one for from your point of view yep and what do you say our industrial expert it is hard to know i am good to you can tell only like i think she has given her views on the basis of design because she was a very interface expert but you can give your views based on technology whether the technology meets the requirements of the customers or not yeah i think it might even exceed it but i guess there is kind of a shortage of buttons see i do not give it a 2 and what about you brian 0 i will go for one and a month you will go for the button okay for me personally it is everything fine it may be having good design it may be meeting all the requirements of the customers like technology wise price wise but there is one thing which limits the customers like we are having only 23 designs like we are having one banana design and the other one is orange yellow orange and the 3rd one is that is not of a fruit look but if a person does not like banana or orange you are limiting him no do not buy our product because we are we like this only okay so we are showing our preference for particular fruits 2 or 3 kinds rather and fruit taste yeah is that not trends no personally as a marketing expert i do not believe that because whatever companies they launch their products in the shape of fruits they give a range of products a range of shapes like if we see look at the smallest thing toffee is chocolates they give a variety of different things some children like to buy banana shape some apple shape some even pineapple shape some orange shape so you can not know what shape a person will like so in this case giving only one or 2 choices we are limiting our customers and by limiting them we are limiting our sales limiting our profit also but in electronics i think it is not always quite so you do not always have so many choices as with chocolate i think you know if you are going to buy a tv maybe a company will have that you are going to choose from a company will have 2 or 3 choices but they are different designs we are coming up with one product maybe okay but i will personally will not give it trending beyond 3 so we can yeah on an average we can think 34 7 maybe 3 or 4 no sorry it should be what are we doing no sorry sorry sorry sorry we are doing very wrong thing yeah yeah we are taking average and that i have taken it very wrongly yeah 344 to 677 yeah exactly so we can say one or 2 and because it is one8 just reaching 2 so we will do 2 yeah okay yeah so what about the trends can you explain what you want us to write there sorry how it conforms to the current trends yeah again the fashion trends this also like whether it will be fashionable to have these products in the as a fruit shape or something okay well going on the specifications that we had that fruit and vegetables are quite popular and that that people like something that is good to look at and not many buttons i would give it well because it is hard to make a fruit good to look at that looks cool you know so i would actually give it a 33 or 4 i am not sure 3 go for 3 as far as the technology it has got the latest trends in speech technology but it is missing the screen as you said it does have the push buttons or the scroll buttons but does not have that fancy solar power or the vibrating energy mechanisms so i give it a 4 i give it kind of middle of the road for technology yeah i am so pretty just the fruit does me in i mean i might be trendy to some but i am just not swallowing the fruit also i would have liked to have seen the lcd screen in it so yeah i would say about 4 as well okay personally i think that in terms of trends these products are quite good like these products are in fruit shape because that people now our fashion trend shows that people like everything of everything is being advertised like clothes shoes and everything is being advertised in the form of fruits and vegetables or getting them some as or showing some association with them so and in this way our product is good and the 2nd thing now people do not want any complicated or bulky project and ours is quite simple and quite handy so that is also that also our product meets the fashion trends of the market and yes it is spongy also so they can play with it it is quite good so then i think maybe i can give it too so 48 13 13 so we can is it fine so what about company strategy say yeah the company strategy okay there was a lot of disgusting it was good i feel i got my say so i give the company is strategy 2 okay well i think it is the remote control conforms to the company strategy company strategy okay is that the question yeah is it okay okay so one or 2 what okay just it is fine i go to 2 so what were you brian yeah we pretty much kept to the company strategy so i would go for a one as we not only kept to it but we were limited by yeah and me also like this product this means all company strategy like our product should be as per customer is requirement as per latest technology and it should be environmental safe so since our product meets all these requirements so i would also prefer to give it rank one so 46666 so we can say 2 or one okay so 77 overall we are getting 2 something but we can round it as 2 yeah so i think overall evaluation of our product is quite good so we can launch it yeah woo in which case we are done because we are evaluated and we are within budget cool so champine lunch yeah great i have got a light okay i have to write up a couple more forms and more yeah yeah i have got a report to write so so i like my job yeah with the claim yeah can you hold on gender free my name is there mine is there in yours is in project yeah that is good okay cool i will get there eventually yeah i can not remember 0" ]

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[ "smile for the camera great thank you hello yep cheers right helium one i think there should be a break for and sorry yep it should be this one here but i think maybe that one should be underlined yeah it is hard to know what that is that is this is a bit of h t m l goo yeah i think there should be a break for and helium and they do not know what to do with the h t m l goo m b d a presumably is lambda but this this is not a s yeah and this is not a separate thing so i w i would agree that you underline the you underline the goo in each case but not the and yes course of course it is yeah and the in that case yep right do you reckon this stands for lambda or yeah okay yeah yeah okay yep right what is different just this high excitation emission lines i think high excitation should be in because it is just saying it is talking about the species that the emission lines are coming from yes yeah yeah okay right you do not get that living up in nebulosity eso i do not think is an instrument eso is not an instrument okay you are right we agreed for to keep hubble to not yes to keep hubble yep for this that should be green as well yeah that should be a source type yeah it is yeah do you think that is part of the name yeah well it is the whole name yes i get i do not yeah i have no way of knowing yeah yeah i think it all is yeah i think it is all m one name absorption line systems should not be there yep yep absorption line systems and again yep right needs column densities which is a derived property yeah yeah these are s s species ions again not individual lines but then yep that is fine and lyman alpha cloud should not be in there either nope right no for some reason i seem to have just died on this one i win he got bored you are right there okay i forgot to keep track of the overall score like who wins and who lose it is not a competition yeah i know yes is there a prize at the end bottle of champagne okay i have labeled that wrong and here again yeah and this one that is a spectral feature that is okay it is but is emission line a g n a separate class from a g n ye i do not think it is i think a g n emission line a g n you would not talk about you can get a g n without emission lines but i do not think you would particularly class them as a separate source a separate source class i think in phil is paper he does does not he maybe you would the paper i pointed you to a few weeks ago or last week i did not it i just looked at the plu i did not know what he meant but yes i have seen people talk about them as separate classes but i do not really know what that means and i guess there is a difference between an a g n with emission lines and one without esp especially if it is x ray detected yeah so yeah i am happy with that as long as that is red as well which it is yep 0 no 0 galactic stars i think you are r you are right again there kay yeah that g dwarfs are things are not they g dwarf presumably that is alright yeah never met one but do not know what it is yeah well it is one of them out over here i think actually at the moment right so cause our sun is a is a t dwarf 0 is it there you go i saw it yesterday yeah and cluster you are right absorption there he is by lyman alpha forest and lyman limit systems but it is the same lyman alpha forest systems again so you are right there yeah okay or there maybe there should not be any yeah i think should still be absorption yeah radio loud quasar again you are right emission models definitely not why associated i should definitely now we had a debate about this before and i can not remember why i decided to mark associated what does it mean yeah it means it is associated with some physical thing but it does not have anything to do with the spectral features i do not think does it what is as associated absorption does not say it is associated with what well it is a process though is not it is not it a process i do not know i have got no idea what it means i am happy to say m 2 what not absorption is a spectral feature yeah yeah but associated means it is associated to some physical thing yeah yeah so yeah i would not have that right okay so is that what it means in that c context so that should not be in right and associated again alright yep those are mechanisms mechanisms so they do not count do not think yep i just missed it quasar and that is it and we should have s put emission line features should not we yeah we should do but we are not supposed to mark things we have done differently so yeah we did that the same but it is different from what we have been doing we have just talked about n und underlining features well i think y bu y y you can actually mark it if it is not altering what is in the manual it is only altering earlier rules yeah yeah and it is not in the manual is it that are not allowed it does not say in the manual about features or not but we d when we saw ones previously we marked features yeah then then do i think yeah so let us do that yes extend yeah the only problem it is done if we have both been not marking it there might be other instances in the text where it is not marked yeah y yeah yeah but yeah well w within the sentence that you sort of currently looking at feel free to correct it that way that you will do you know like it is not only about resolution but it is sort of like coming up with a corrected version based on these right okay yeah yeah okay have you do you have seen that there are the other one there the quasar right the right sorry yes we have got quasars yeah and this is exactly the same as last one systems yep i m galaxies it is a kind of a regular galaxy yeah is it okay just a p what are you doing there there sorry hubble deep fields is being marked and absorption should not be marked yep yep is not remote yeah fine yeah i do not think able cluster is different from cluster yeah that is actually marked ex explicitly in here not to have a bar clusters an able cluster is just a a discover ri right yeah so yeah soft excess that definitely gets to go in that is not a component no i i am i am not arguing yep okay we can have soft excess i think i agree yeah yeah we could come to blows over soft excess and yes you are wrong cause that is you are right cause that is extended emission and compton emission okay i think you are right on both of them yeah okay x ray b l x and radio b l x i think are because the b l within should be marked so yeah i agree that is fine do you want this one here no no conti continuum no for continuum no continuum no okay c 0 luminosity i think that is a s species again yeah that is fine 0 it is still too hot i can agree with taking that out intermediate is a region that the so called yeah i do not think it should be should it it should not be highlighted you are right because if if we talk about the broad line region we are not supposed to highlight it cause it is a region yeah yep it is the same it is just it is not very clear before the so called yeah it is badly written infrared galaxies we said not to mark things based solely on so it is just defined only by wave length so we can not include infrared galaxies yeah just galaxies and star bursts star bursts count surely yes they do 0 yes assuming you are talking about star burst galaxies rather than star burst within a galaxy yes yeah they are but they are talking about star burst galaxies and galaxies galaxies continua or continuum flux it is another one of those that does not really make a big difference it does not really matter but what did we decide i would say continuum flux but i do not obviously let us keep flux in because it in most of these cases we have put flux in but i do not care yep okay yeah i think you have and the same as feature no i am happy to take that out broad line i was going to say put it in 0 the lack of broad line polarization broad line polarization is that a spectral feature i think you would want the whole thing in some extent no you can not point to it ts you can not get it just from a spectrum but you can if you have got a spectrum that is split by polarized light yeah yeah yeah well n i think i would actually leave it with only th on those as it is br broad l line in it because i think that is s what you have been doing earlier on polarization is a property yes okay okay yeah yeah yep okay now i d do not know what was marked here have you got the bottom of this page or is it cut off no oops no we are missing weak weak line no i said that weak line was because the modifier should be included which i think it should even though we claim radio galaxies i this should be underlined this should be green okay yeah or actu actually sorry i think the this cut up page continues in the next side 0 right okay okay are we the same on the bottom line yeah characterized by unusually right okay so the question is 0 no it is different 0 no is it yeah no you have got line in there 0 i have got line that is fine the difference only weak line is not it m line comes out and and should come out as well and should come out 0 yeah so there is a right but i think weak line should be in there is a line there as well it is different and an and okay different as well bec i in the same way that if you had broad line it would be in there yeah yep that is okay right galactic black hole candidates they just made that up yes yeah that is yeah exactly and give it an acronym g b h c ooh that is not a source type yeah i do not think that is a source type okay line again but we have got emission line in the ratios that is fine infrared galaxies yep that is right again 0 no is it no it is not right no it is wrong yeah right i will get this line emitting gas i do not like yeah line far infrared galaxies we can not have and that is it that is okay making emission feature which we are including now yeah that is okay damped lyman alpha absorption the same right yep emission feature yeah that can not be in star forming galaxies no we can not yep star forming galaxies should be in yes it should be that is we did earlier anyway yep that should be in yeah so proto galactic lump no they just made that up as well that is not a source type w not going to get away with that one no what were you thinking it is a lump it is something emission feature again yeah dibulae absorption damp lyman that should be because it is not an absorber it is an absorption no but it says it covers a significantly small angular size that is a process though 0 covers yeah it is a physical thing yeah it is a process or a source i am sorry yeah you cross em out get this out of the way features yep this feature a feature again yeah okay is a feature a spectral feature alpha damped lyman alphas again yeah you do not get that do you those are those are regions globs nebulae yeah after and the rest is the same yep now a line should be in yeah x ray b l x ray b l lax yep that is okay intermediate intermediate types it now if we are d we put in type type one9 did we in the end yeah yeah yes i think it should be in 0 right you get it then that does not go in and that is okay 0 gosh this looks complicated right that is okay 0 it is just it is lyman alpha absorption we do not like systems and we do not like that one and we do not like that one yeah that is okay well hang on though but was not there one just a minute ago in which only had a line yes we are taking out line on its own are we so we ha yes but you just okay yep every time keeping lines there yes i think we have to take in general every time there has been line where is there been line so what line are we taking out okay it is line width but it is saint it is still where it says lines line width yeah have we had any just where it says line ratios line ratios we have been taking out line as a word that relates to other words adjective my head is going yeah yes but lines are still lines right okay okay yeah that is okay yes i think you are right okay yeah okay fine right i agree that that can go out cause that is a fitting thing no we want the whole thing in there absorption features in the u v spectra or in the u v i do not think spectrum should be there but if it is a wave length or a wave band we were putting it in okay it is likely one spectrum in the u v which you can see absorption features in yeah yeah right quasars quasars huh yep you are right yeah i am right and here i think i am right again line center you can point to not like line width but you can point to line center in fact the whole thing should be highlighted i think line center you can point to the line wings yeah you would you would say line wings alright you get it that is just a right you win eclipsing i do not think yep no that should not be in there yeah you are right there you are right star burst 0 star burst active star burst like activity that is i do not think that is a class it is a action y yeah but then the a g n like activity yeah but a g but a an a an a g n is a class that has to go as well then surely so both of them have to go a star burst is a class a star burst is a class a star burst is a type of galaxy but it is also something that can happen within a galaxy as is an a g n an a g n it is but an a g n is an object the star burst you can not say here is a star burst but we are counting star bursts as star burst galaxies can not star burst if it means galaxy if this means star burst galaxy like activity then that is fair enough no but a star burst galaxy is only a galaxy which has a star burst in it like an a g an active galaxy is just a galaxy with an a g n in it but star burst refers to wait fr from the linguistic side if you if you mark star burst before and if you feel that star bursts are like objects i can see that then i think it sh it should stay in in this case even though it is modified by activity or it is it is m modifying activity actually yeah okay let us keep it in i think they are the same i i think you are right anyway they either have to both stay or both go and i i think they should stay yeah yeah yes i think it was ma maybe if it was star forming like activity that would be different okay yeah but yeah star formation we were not putting in yes that is right but star burst is different okay we have just got this split up i think there should be w h that you are right it is 2 or was it is a wave length region it is a wave length region but it is tilt but you are saying between that line and that line yeah yeah yeah okay i am right here that is part of a name yeah you are yes that is all part of the name line ratios kay infrared galaxies this time you have it but galaxy should be in but galaxies should be in so we need to write that right hold on 0 what have we done 0 no they are the same sorry i missed that absorption line systems hubble hubble and hubble and galaxy yeah ok i in the galaxy distribution galaxy distribution still the distribution of galaxies yeah yeah okay high ionization lines yeah we did it before yes yeah that is okay 0 yeah okay open that radius button we were not doing spectral shapes were we yes do not include platt is spectrum quasars yeah that counts low ionization but 3 should be in low ionization th they are low bals are not they are they if you say so well low bal is a separate class of source okay yeah that is true i i do not know if high bals are but low bals are that counts they are and it is a big joke okay 0 right yeah high balls yeah yeah next i should not you are right there yeah yeah that does not go in emission line candidates that means objects that are identified and maybe at a particular red shift based on it yes you are right yeah that does not count continuum i think should be in are not they although i was talking about conti yeah continuum luminosity continuum flux it should be in continuum luminosities well you have not been earlier have you i thought we had we would put in i do not remember about luminosities i do not think you were we have been putting in continuum flux have you 0 okay yeah okay yeah we were not doing broad band detections we were doing yeah this is nice tea mine too 0 now what were we doing if radio loud quasar should be in z equals 2 should not it and what were we doing the rule was to leave it in was it i do not know cause you in language speak mark each as a separate entity that is different yeah that is for things marked with and mark sub sections of entities t no that is different does not really say yeah it does not say so we need a rule for that is is goo again or is it really z equals 2 what have we done t z equals 2 z equals 2 is means at a certain distance so that should not be in but radio loud quasars is a thing alright so it is whether to include the z equals 2 in the if it was radio loud quasar then you would mark it as one thing yeah yeah yeah i i think it makes sense to mark the whole thing then as one 0 as one okay i do not know what you feel okay but let us whatever is easiest for you y yes take it out no is not it the spectral components yeah no x ray binaries hubble deep field again no we can not have that emission line objects should not be in either of them yep radio quiet quasar should be go a source type yeah i think that is right now you have done one and not the other 0 and you are right because one is line formation and one is line profile yeah right i g m i have done again this is nice and easy yes yeah components yeah we can rid of that can not we yeah i think so but we want the line still the galaxy or galaxy galaxy with the galaxy given that it is the galaxy it should be the galaxy i guess it should be the galaxy yeah insert proper whatever the word is h v c complexes i do not know what h v c stands for but since they are complexes we can cross it out huh do you know what h v c stands for h v c is it this known to lie in the direction of high velocity clouds no that is where they are high velocity clouds yeah that does not count they should not be in there there that is right yes but they do not explain i c m scuba scuba that is an instrument sometimes anyway when it works you are right there should be this and it probably is that is probably what that means no but no you are right and this should be red as well it should all be 0 i see yeah narrow line a g n are different i missed out that right beta line h beta l width so i do not think that matters very much just keep h beta i think given that we are not putting line width itself okay even line if it is line width you can have flux hurray 0 beta yep h beta should be in no not that line but we want enhanced do we why we we wanted and this is relative we wanted modifiers of modifiers of spectral lines e g weak broad lines but enhanced relative to what i weak w relative to what though it is all relative but it is still a modifier of that line okay and the same so sorry and the the a g n i think that should be one entity right the the w was not it that according to the acronym rule the 1st one y yes that is right mark the la la mark the whole string as one entity one acronym no only when it is embedded but when yeah 0 but the 2nd one 0 it is included beside mark it all as one entity yes yeah yeah that is right 0 i do not think i was doing that yes i do not know how many times i have missed the yeah i have missed that a lot weak emission i think should be in there yeah okay really if we are including it emission if it was are you n 0 yeah extended emission is extended we we have not been including extended emission no no that is true so we should not have done either of those so no yeah but then weak yeah okay nothing at all weak emission levels is just a way of saying yeah i agree nor weak emission then no done star burst contribution that is not a separate source yeah that is true 0 yeah sorry yeah red continuum should be in red continuum okay broad line emission and the rest frame u v should all be one yeah yeah that should be out you are right yeah 0 no it should not we were not doing components no 0 yes sorry you are right so yeah lines yeah this is this a radio transfer thing so they do not mean they mean photons in the lines escape not that that is not something you can point to i do not think that counts yes that is true associated again which means nothing continuum source should not be in and associated should not be in c t i i 0 that should be 0 wait is that s that is an observatory is not it what does it stand for yeah the c t is the c t i 04 meter the name of that telescope that is a separate thing m y ye well i do not know no y yeah and the a a t is an observatory as well is not it yeah but so yes but it is also a telescope and i think he if there is no other way of describing it that telescope the c t i 04 meter telescope is must be what it is called otherwise they would call it a name that is the actually usually yeah but anyway i do not mind but we if we put we are including observatory if it refers if it is part of the proper name of an instrument yeah yeah i gue i guess keep it then but then we have to include 4 meter as well yeah i think so yes up the telescope no just 4 meter no yeah right ion should not be in there yep i agree 0 no it should iron and absorption is it contamination from blended iron and absorption lines no it is not what is that comma doing there yeah no 0 i see i see i see yeah it is no it is not i if the comma was not there it would be in accounting for galactic reddening contamination from blended iron what they mean is blended iron lines blended ion lines yeah so they do mean iron line so so it should be in yes you do mean ion lines yeah yeah and we are keeping line in cause its strengths yeah continuum flux we should have all in continuum fluxes yeah we are doing that yeah no g 0 there are going to be 100s of those least it is quick yeah damped lyman alpha q s 0 i do not think that is a separate class of quasar but then i do not know about quasars i do not know what that means either i think it should p one damped lyman alpha q s 0 s it is not a source type that is definitely true no yeah that is okay so the a w d s white dwarf what is d a and there is w d s it is 25 of d a type and 6 of d b type yeah it is if it has h h hydrogen or h helium in the atmosphere of white dwarfs okay so it is a different class yeah yep okay nope yep yes you are fine with that low bal i would put multiple in there we are not supposed to do components no that is right nope i say neither of them okay that all goes or yeah that is right yeah no absorption lines no luminos that should be highlighted 0 sorry i am i me yeah low luminosity q s 0 s no people talk about them a lot but yeah i do not thin i do not think there was s but well we are doing ultra luminous galaxies yeah so we should do i guess you could keep it then yeah only if it is an astro physically distinct distinct people discuss them as a separate class they are as as much as ultra luminous galaxies are yeah okay no absorption lines should be in and the same here and yep that should be in i did not nice not to do associated for once excellent regions i you are i should not have done that y yes you should not 0 a and b and we w 0 gosh what were we going to to do about a and again no that is the conjunctural i am right here i think yes you are right yeah if yeah strong soft x ray flux yeah you can point to that yeah that is okay and that is associated absorption lines 0 right in the a a l outflow it is a r yeah that does not count but it is a region though is not it and absorption and small clouds is out it does not count ah now this is the conjunct rule again and i have done blue wings of this and this and this and i did not ooh how do you know what is going on here yeah and this is one double line and this yeah and presumably that is red there yeah i do not know what this means it goes over there i think i if the line is too long y you have highlighted all i as one 0 i highlighted all as one right but and i have highlighted it separately it should be separate okay yeah what what is this n thing because that is not marked in the i think if the line is too long it is only ha putting the bottom line because olivia would have marked from blue all the way to the end as one long line ye ye no sorry i mean the so so most the the n should be the n as well yeah yeah yeah yes but i think it probably was and just has not printed because olivia would not have started marking at 1402 right almo 2 lines above yeah but i think it is just m missing out the printing if the line goes over the end yeah 0 i see cause if you look at you look at what olivia is done here olivia would not have just highlighted that line so your n starts yep yep i see what you mean yeah right she would have highlighted the whole thing but yeah so n probably should be highli but it is s so you are mostly settling settling for for the solution where you mark all contacts individually yeah and it is just has not printed that yep but it is marked i think right absorption components do not count continuum source does that count should not be should not be 0 so it is that is right but it is al is that also the name of the source probably yeah yeah so it should be this one plus the pink yep line broadness line broadness and i think that should be in that is a way of saying line width though and we do not mark line width that is true well okay yeah so we have been in here alright my table for now 0 rich iron spectrum rich iron spectrum you are probably right to the feature of the spectrum does that make it a spectral feature something that you can point to right or well kind of it it is d if you had a s sp spectrum yeah you have all the l lines of actually lots of different elements and you have to work out at all the ones sp which are ion lines then after that you look and say ha has a lot of ion in it it is a feature of the whole spectrum rather than you can not say there is a rich iron spectrum you can say this is a rich iron spectrum yeah but b yeah i yep that is the rich iron spectrum 0 i see that is right it is it yeah i agree let us get rid of it so in that sense it is like like a derived property yeah yeah yeah yeah i think so yeah i see huh yes it is not a spectral feature it is feature of the spectrum which is different right that is not should not go in yes and then with the same is that everything yeah okay gosh we are getting through this now yeah yeah we are not going to make it to our 2nd cookie break giant ellipticals or ellipticals i do not mind we were inclu are you not are giant ellipticals separate things i do not know yeah i think so they are separate but are they a separate class i think they probably are in the eta b t g s and things i think so yeah okay yeah line emitting gas does not get in ionized emission if you are doing emission from high yeah yes i think you want ionized in there really really you think well she you can point to ionized emission rather than she was allowed emission from high excitation what not and that is exactly the same emission from high excitation lines yeah that is exactly the same as yeah it it is pointing there and saying look there is a high excitation emission and there is not high excitation okay if you both think so no yeah well i am not certain if high excitation should go in but if high excitation should go in i think ionized means the same thing does not it k yeah okay okay so yeah you are right line ratio what is different there 0 there yes you have got x ray source r 117 narrow line seyfert one should all be one with the red inside it that no that is this is describing the band you do the observations in yeah it is describing the line you are looking for yeah i think so yeah that counts we have included it before when you have said this has been detected alright right okay yeah from i think should be in there s s yeah okay e emission lines yep quasars i missed yep ooh those should not be there should they no damped lyman also is not systems yeah 0 okay okay okay well hang on though but is it just to s scrub your mechanism there it is not a spectral feature such as 0 it is a process ne yes no i think it is a spectral feature you can point to the damped lyman a alpha resorption in in the same way you can point to h beta emission although h beta emission is a process i think this is what we agreed to cross out before is not it or emission from h beta is is a process no the damped lyman alpha absorption systems we crossed out we also crossed out i think it is a process myself i think it is a process too i think especially when they are saying we are y we are choosing low red shift absorption that is not really something you can point to what did we do back you can point to low red shift damped lyman alpha absorption cause you are shifted in the spectrum there i am not too fast i do not think would it be if it was h beta absorption and you just took out the low red shifts quasars with h beta absorption you would put in no i am not sure because it is a spectral feature i think damped lyman alpha absorption it is whether it is a process or a a feature but i can not remember what we have done before i think it is both because we have every feature is produced by a process well if it was if it was absorption and damped lyman alpha clouds you would not mark absorption yes it is depends whether it has t whether it means with low red shift damped lyman alpha cloud absorption if it was damped lyman alpha absorbers that would be different but i think absorption i do think it is a process i think it is a process but it also produces a spectral feature where you can say there is the damped lyman alpha absorption there is the in the same way that the yeah h beta emission is a process yeah well that is true that is true yeah well we have both marked it so let us leave it there yeah i think it should be in there yeah okay okay micro quasars micro quasars they are dubbed micro quasars yeah that means it is new fangled is it going to be a decent source type in the future i have not heard referred to since but yeah but just talk about the micro quasar yeah but they have made up that word yeah i think you are right they have ma on the other hand if we are having hyper luminous galaxies where you know they have just got ultra luminous and 0 even more hyper luminous yeah well someone must have made that up for the 1st time but w do they what defines a micro quasar i think same as a hyper luminous galaxy being very very extreme but i guess keep it probably yeah i reckon a dwarf amorphous nuclei star burst galaxy a dance is a yeah okay no they have made that one up certainly i have never heard of that one before yeah you y there is not been more than one study of dwarf amorphous nuclear star burst galaxies no so that do we say we take that out but what about the acronym because that is has that should be in yep that is it in it so that is okay yep star burst nuclei you are right 0 the object 0 if it was star burst galaxies it would be in there star burst nuclei refers to a region within an object which would not be observed separately yeah that is right oops yeah i would not yeah yep that is fine sorry what what happened now okay so you you f you found that dwarf amorphous blah blah galaxies that that is not a proper name but you still include the acronym or because the acronym has star burst in it galaxies in it in the s and if the acronym includes its 0 okay alright okay then it has to be in there i see continuum flux you can have u v and optical emission line ratios yeah but i think all of that goes then does not it surely we would not have line ratios no so yeah that goes u v and optical emi u v and optical emission should be in there though no it should not cause it it modifies the ratios no i do not think anybody goes yeah no it modifies ratios yeah 0 gosh no emission l okay so i have highlighted this in r red and then the whole thing in green because type 2 seyfart galaxies are one right yep that is fine so i think that is right as long as this is plus red yeah t v gamma ray emission we were not doing broad band detections we were not doing broad band detections yeah no right using the that is definitely an instrument name it is yes very stupid but it is right you are right there f b s objects should not be in there what does it mean i do not know but it has got object yep you are right and the mama scanning machine is an instrument it is not a telescope it is an instrument it is an instrument yeah yeah okay so you can have that right at the other one we stopped after 4 meter so maybe we should do that there as well 0 yes it should be narrow emission lines from high iron yeah yeah we did it this way before absorption features weak continuum yeah you are right that should be separate continuum radiation continuum radiation no neither neither narrow line region emission yep do you th i think that goes out 0 there is emission from the narrow line region yeah yeah we do not narrow line emission should be in yep yep white dwarfs is a source type yeah you are right f v low bal is a source type stupid keckers it is you used to b 0 no keck observatory yes we did decide keck was going in keck is yeah we did not allow iron spectrum so we should not allow h or helium 20 spectrum either yeah that is right at all yep and we should not allow emission yeah iso electronic yeah radio quasars radio quasars are s type yeah 0 no radio loud and radio quiet are but radio quasars means radio loud quasars yeah u v accessors are right is not it it is a spectral feature we were not doing flat spectrum quasars were we no were we ye i think they are a separate class yes we are not putting them in spectral but i think we are putting them in because it is so broad band right but yes they are separate right you are right there line strengths no you can not point to it yeah means equivalent widths yeah i did mis group missed group yep subaru telescope you are right that is it it is under a proper name cause it has got a capital t hey hurray hey wow excellent yeah well very good hurray we are done wonderful under 2 hours excellent amazing well once we have got them identified a lot of them were the same problem going round and round yeah yeah yeah yeah where is the bin in here and more to the point can i get to it without going ah i can carry my little bits in the with me no you can not excuse me camera i need to find the bin and there is not one is there 0 do we each remain wired up are we done i think that is it is not it i th i think so yeah we are done excellent right" ]

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absorption line systems should not be there absorption and systems and again yeah right these i am talking like column densities which is a derived property yeah these are species of ions again are not they yeah that is fine individual lines i am in lime alpha tahrir i should not be made no for some reason i think you just died i win i got bored to you are right there i forgot to keep track of the overall score like who wins yeah i know it is a surprise at the end battle of champagne i have labeled that wrong okay and here again that is a special feature it is but is a mission line agn a separate class from agm i do not think it is i think agm mission line aegean you would not talk about you can get aegean without mission lines but i do not think you particularly class them as a separate source a separate source class i think in this paper he does does me the paper i pointed you to a few weeks ago last week i did not need it i did not know what he meant but yes i have seen people talk about them as separate classes but i do not really know what that means and i guess there is a difference between an agm with a mission line lines and one without especially for the x ray detected yeah so yeah i am happy with that as long as that is red as well yeah which it is 0 galactic stars i think you are right again there okay g dwarf g dwarf sorry presumably that is a right one yeah yeah i do not know what it is well there is one of them out over here right there is our son is a gdorf there you go i saw it yesterday uncaster you are right yeah absorption by lyman alpha forest but saying lyman alphorist systems again so you are right there yeah okay although maybe there should be any yeah i think i should just take it the option radio loud queso again emission models definitely not why associated now we had a debate about this before and i can not remember why i decided to mark associated what does it mean it means it is associated with some physical thing but it does not have anything to do with the spectral features i do not think is it what is associated with torpion does not say it is associated with what is the process is it in the process i do not know i have got no idea what it means i am happy to say m 2 what not absorption is a spectral feature but associated means it is associated to some physical thing right okay it is how it means in that context and associated again those are mechanisms so they do not count and we should have put emission line features should not we yeah we should do but we are not supposed to mark things we have done differently yeah we did that the same but it is different from what we have been doing we have just talked about underlining features you can actually mark it if it is not altering what is in the manual it is only altering earlier rules yeah and it is not in the manual is it it does not say in the manual about features or not but when we saw ones previously we marked features yeah then do i think yes any problem is then if we have both been not marking it there might be other instances in the text where it is not marked yeah but well within the sentence that you are still currently looking at and feel free to correct it that way that you like it is not only about resolution it is not like coming up with a corrected version right okay yeah okay you have seen the other one there the quayser right yes we have quayser right and this is exactly the same last one and the systems i am galaxies it is a kind of a regular galaxy yeah okay what are you doing there sorry hubble deepfield has been marked and absorption should not be marked yeah fine i do not think able cluster is different from cluster and able clusters just yeah that is actually marked explicitly in hin not to have able clusters yes right so yeah soft excess that definitely gets to go in that is not a component no i am not working we can have soft access i agree hi right you are right because that is extended emission and comp to emission okay i think you are right in both yeah okay x way blax and radio blx i think are because the bl within should be marked yeah i agree that is fine no no continuum no continuum no okay c 0 luminosity i think that is just a species again yeah that is fine i can agree with taking that out intermediate it is a region that is so cold it should not be highlighted you right yeah i do not think it should because if we talk about the board line region we are not supposed to highlight it it is the same it is just not a yeah it is badly written it is so called and for red galaxies we said not to mark things based solely on so it is defined only by wavelength so we can not include them for red galaxy just galaxies and starbursts starbursts yes they do 0 yes assuming it is talking about starburst galaxies rather than starbursts within a galaxy but they are to that starburst galaxies there and galaxies galaxies continue or continue flux it is another one of those that does not really it does not really matter i would take it in a flux but so obviously let us keep flux in in most of these cases we have put flux in yeah okay board line no i am happy to take that out i was going to say put it in 0 the lack of boardline polarization boardline polarization is that a spectable feature i think you would want the whole thing it is something to take you can not you can not get just from a spectrum but you can if you have got a spectrum that is split by yeah polaroid light yeah yeah well i think i would actually leave it i would only use it on the broad line in it i think that is what you have been doing earlier on yes okay great yeah yeah yeah yep okay i do not know what was marked here have you got the bottom of this page no we are missing week weakline i do not so they are saying weekline radio galaxies are a separate class of radio galaxy no i said that weekline was because it is a modifier should be included which i think you should even though we claim radio galaxies this should be underlined this should be green okay actually sorry i think the this cut up page continues of the next site are we the same on the bottom yeah characterized by anjli okay so the question is no is it 0 no you have got line it is different to any week line that is fine line comes out and and should come out as well and should come out 0 yeah so there is a line there but i think week line should be in and an and okay in the same way if you have broad line it would be in there yeah that is okay right galactic black hole candidates i just made that up and gave it an acronym g d h c yes that is not a source yeah playing again we have got emission line in the ratios red galaxies yeah it is right again 0 no it is not right yeah line emitting gas i do not like line for red galaxies we can not have it is okay a mission feature which we are including now that is okay damp line and alpha of the georgia tries to say right yeah mission feature star forming galaxies that can not be in no it can not star forming galaxy should be in yes that is what you did earlier anyway yeah protogalactic clump no they just made that up as well that is not a source type not for you thinking it is a lump it is something emission feature again that should be because it is not an absorber it is an absorption no but it says it covers it is definitely small angular size it is a physical thing yeah it is a process yeah features features it is a feature again it is a feature yeah okay it is a feature respectful feature do not climb out of this again yeah you do not get that those are regions blobs nebula and the rest is the same yeah now a line should be in line should be in yeah x rayed be all that it is okay intermediate types now we put in type one8 and type one9 did be in the end yeah yes i think it should be in you get it then that does not go in and that is okay 0 gosh it is complicated right that is okay we do not like systems and we do not like that one and we do not like that one and we do not like that one that is okay well hang on though was not there one minute ago in which i mean had a line yes we are taking out line on its own so we yes but you just every time keeping lines there yes so in general every time there has been line there has been line okay it is line width but it is still was that is lines have we had any just where it says line ratios we have been taking out line as a word that relates to other words adjective my head is going yeah but lines are still lines okay yes that is okay yeah okay bye right i agree that that can go out because that is a thinning i want the whole thing there or in the uv i do not expect you should be there but if it is a wavelength or a waveband we are putting it in okay it is probably one spectrum in the uv which you can see the sort of pictures yeah right there is a picture yeah yeah i might down here i think i am like again line center you can point to not like line width but you can put to line center to line center in fact the whole thing should be i left it i think line center you can point to the line wings you would say line wings all right we get it that is just a eclipsing i do not know yeah no that should not be in there you are right starburst 0 starburst like activity i do not think that is a class it is an action yeah but then the adn like activity yeah that has to go as well an agn is a class a starburst is a class a starbust is a class a starbust is a type of galaxy but it is also something that can happen within a galaxy as is an agm but an agn is an object and starburst you can not say but we are counting starburst starburst galaxies can you starburst if it means galaxy if this means starburst galaxy like activity then that is fair enough no but the starburst is only a galaxy which has a starburst in it like an a eg an active galaxy is just a galaxy with an agm in it but starburst refers to from the linguistics side if you mark starburst before and if you feel that starbursts are like objects then i think it should stay in in this case even though it is modified by activity or it is modifying it to the age okay let us keep it in i think you are right anyway yeah i think they should stay yeah i think it was maybe it was star forming like activity it would be different but yeah star formation we were not putting in yes that is right but starburst is different okay we have just got this split up i think that should be h you are right it is 2 it is a wavelength region but it is still but you are saying between that line and that line yeah right here you are yes let us hope up in the name line ratios but galaxies should be in but galaxies should be in but galaxies should be so we need to write that hold on 0 no the other same sorry i missed that solvement lines systems hubble hubble and hubble and galaxy yeah galaxy distribution it is all the distribution of galaxies yeah okay ionization lines yes before is that radio spectrum yes do not include flat spectrum quasasas yeah that couch low ionization week 3 should be in low ionization they are low bells are not they lowell is a separate class of source yeah that is true i do not know if high bells are but low bells are they are and it is a big joke 0 right yeah next i should not you are right there emission line candidates that means objects that are identified and maybe at a particular redshift they sign that does not count continuum i think it should be in yeah continuum flux should be in what you have not been earlier have you i thought we had i do not remember about luminastases we have been putting in continuum flux have you okay yeah yeah we were not doing broadband detections what we were doing yeah nice teeth mine too now what are we doing if radio lag quasar should be in z equals 2 should not and what are we doing the rule was to leave it in was it i do not know because you would get it in language speak each conduct is a separate entity that is different yeah that is for things marked with and mark subsections of entities no that is different it does not really say yeah it does not say so we need a rule for that is it goo again or is it really z equals 2 z equals 2 means at a certain distance so that should not be in but radio loud quasars is a thing so it is weathered to include the z equals 2 in the if it was really loud quaser then you would mark it as one thing yeah i think it makes sense to mark the whole thing then as one i do not know what you okay that is whatever is easiest for you no yes take it out respectful components no x way binutes public field again mission line objects should not be in either of them yeah media quasar should be a source of time yeah now you have done one and not the other and you are right because one is line formation and one is line profile profile yeah igm i have done again right this is nice and easy yeah yeah components yeah we can get rid of that can not we yeah yeah but we want the line still the galaxy or galaxy given that it is the galaxy it should be the galaxy yes it should be the galaxy it is proper whatever the word is hpc complexes i do not know what hpc stands for but since they are complexes we can cross it out do you know hpc says that i am going to lie in the direction of high velocity clouds i should be in there that is right yes but it is play icm scuba scuba that is an instrument sometimes anyone it works you are right there it should be this and it probably is no but you are right and this should be red as well it should all be 0 i see yeah now i know you are different i missed out that hb 2 wip i do not think i do not think i do not think that matters very much just keep hb 2 i think given that we are not putting line width itself okay even line if it is not you can have flux aye hb 2 should be in yep not that line but we want enhanced do it why we wanted unless it is relative we wanted modifiers of modifiers of spectral lines e g weak board lines but enhanced relative to what weak relative to what though it is all relative but it is still a modifier of that line okay and the same sorry the agn i think that should be one entity right the was not it according to the acronym the 1st one yes that is right mark the whole string is one entity but acronym no only when it is embedded yeah 0 but the 2nd one or it is included beside included beside market all its one entity yeah that is right i do not think i was doing that yes i do not know how many times i have missed that either yeah i have missed that all that we commission i think should be in there yeah okay really including emission are you yeah extended emission we have not been including no that is true so we should not have that on either of us but then weak commission levels is just a way of saying yeah yeah i agree okay nothing at 12 no star burst contribution that is not a separate yeah 0 yeah red continuum should be in board line emission and the rest frame uv should all be one yeah 0 no it should not we were not doing components 0 yes yeah this is a radiative transfer thing so they do not mean they mean photons in the lines escape not that that is not something you can point to yes that is true associated again nothing continuum source should not be in and associated should not be in cti that should be 0 wait what does it stand for that is an observatory is not it yeah is the ctio 4 meter the name of that telescope and the ait is an observatory as well is not it yes but it is also a telescope and i think if there is no other way of describing it that telescope the ctio 4 meter telescope is it must be what it is called otherwise they call it a name it is the blanco actually usually but anyway i do not mind we are including observatory if it refers if it is part of the proper name of an instrument yeah i go but then we have to include 4 meter as well yeah yes up to a telescope no just 4 meter yeah 0 no it should iron and absorption is it contamination from blended iron and absorption lines no it is not what is that comma doing this no it is not if the comma was not there it would be in accounting for galactic reddening contamination from blended iron what they mean is blended iron lines so they do mean iron lines yes it should be in and we are keeping lining because it is strength continuum flux we should have all in no no it is going to be 100s of it is at least it is quick damp lyman alpha qso i do not think that is a separate class of quaza i do not know about quasasas i do not know what that means either one damp lyman alpha qso is it is not a source type of that is definitely true no yeah that is okay dawds what is the white dwarf there is wd is 25 of da 6 of d e yeah it has hydrogen or helium in the atmosphere okay so it is a different class yeah okay nope yes we are talking about that i will put multiple in there we are not supposed to do components no that is right so neither of them that all goes or yeah yeah no absorption lines that should be highlighted 0 sorry yeah low luminosity cuirassos no people talk about them a lot but yeah i do not we are doing ultraluminous galaxies yeah so we should do i guess you should keep it then yeah people discuss them as a separate class they are as much as ultraluminous galaxies huh okay no absorption lines should be in i am the same here i did not mention not to do associated with things i should not have done that yes you should not 0 a and b and we i am i can do about anything no that is the conjunct rule i am right here i think yes you are let us yeah strong soft x ray flux yeah you can put it there that is associated absorption lines 0 right in the aal outflow it is a region though is yeah does not count and absorption in small clouds that does not count now this is the conjunct rule again i did not blue wings of this and this and this yeah and this is one double line and this and presumably that is red there i do not know what i think if the line is too long you piloted a dollar as one i have a letter to all as one right and i piloted it is separate and it should be separate okay what is this end thing because that is not marked in the i think if the line is too long it is only putting the bottom line because olivia would have marked from blue all the way to the end as one long line no sorry i mean the the end should be yeah yeah but i think it probably was not it just has not printed because olivia would not have started marking it 1402 on the 2 lines above yeah but i think it is just missing out the printing if the line goes over the end 0 i see so your end starts if you look at what olivia is done here olivia would not have just highlighted that line right he would have highlighted the whole thing yeah so you are mostly settling for the solution where you mark all contract individually yes and it just has not printed that yeah but it is marked i think right holdenst do not count continuum source is that count should not be i guess but is that right but is that also the name of the source probably yeah so it should be this one plus the pink line broadness i think that should be in that is a way of saying line width though and we do not mark line with that is true well okay yeah we have been in here i am still going to take it 0 rich iron spectrum you probably write to the feature of the spectrum does that make it a spectral feature something that you can point to right yeah well kind of it is i think you had a suspect you have all the lines of lots of different elements and you have to work out like all the ones to put your iron lines then after that you look and say has a lot of iron in it you can not say there is a rich iron spectrum you just say this is a rich iron spectrum so that is like a derived property yeah i think so yes it is not a spectral feature it is a feature of a back which is different you should not go in yes and then we are the same okay gosh we can not review this now yeah we are going to make it to our 2nd cookie brick giant ellipticals or ellipticals we were including are giant ellipticals separate things yeah i think so they are separate but are they a separate class i think they probably are yeah and things ironized emission if you are doing emission from high yes i think you want ionized in there really really you can point to ionized emission rather than she was allowed emission from high excitation whatnot emission from high excitation lines yeah that is exactly the same as it is pointing there and saying look there is a high excitation emission and there is non high excitation okay if you both think so yeah well i am not certain if high expectation should go in but if high excitation should go in i think ionize means the same thing is not yeah okay line ratio yeah you are right 0 there yeah yeah that is right r 117 narrow line to see that one should all be one with the red inside it what no that is this is describing the band you do the observations in it is describing the line you are looking for yeah yeah that counts i think so we have included it before when you have said this has been detected right okay swamp i think should be in there yeah okay emissioning yeah quasas are missed 0 those should not be there should they templemonibism is not systems yeah 0 okay well hang on though but is it just describe your mechanism there it is not a special feature no i think it is a respectful feature you can point to the damped lime and alpha absorption in the same way you can point to hb to emission although hb to emission is a process i think this is what we agreed to pass out before is not it no damp limelmelf absorption systems we crossed out we also crossed out i think it is a process too i think especially when they are saying we are choosing low red shift absorption that is not really something you can point to you can point to low red shift damp lime alarm because it just shifted in the spectrum there not too fast i do not think would it be if it was hb 2 absorption and you just took out that no redshift quasars with hb to absorption you would put in no i am not sure because it is a spectral feature i think damp climate alpha absorption it is whether it is a process or a feature but i can not remember what we have done before because we have every feature is produced by a process if it was absorption in damp lime and alpha clouds you would not mark absorption yes it depends what it has whether it means with low redshift damp lime and alpha cloud absorption if it was damped lima alpha absorbers that would be different but i think absorption i do think it is a process i think it is a process but it also produces a spectral feature where you can say there is the damp lemon after absorption yeah well that is true in the same way that you know hp to emission is a process well we both marked it yeah i think it should be in there microquazars they are dubbed microquazars yeah that means it is newfangles is it going to be a decent source type in the future i have not heard but referred to since but just talk about the micro quasar yeah but they have made up that word yeah i think you are right they have me on the other hand if we are having hyperluminous galaxies where you know they have just got old luminous and ooh even more hyperluminous yeah well someone must have made that up for the 1st time but do they what defines a microchlazar same as a hyperluminous galaxy being very very extreme i guess keep it probably yeah i reckon a dwarf amorphous nuclear starburst galaxy i have made that one that certainly i have never heard of that one before yeah there is not been more than one study of dwarf amorous nuclear starboard galaxies so that do we say we take that out yeah okay but what about the acronym because that has got it in that should be in okay yeah starburst nuclei you are like 0 the object if it was starburst galaxies it will be in there starburst nuclei refers to a region within an object which would not be observed separately yeah 0 wait yeah yeah that is fine so what happened now so you found that dwarf amorphous blah blah blah galaxies that is not a proper name but you still include the acronym or because the acronym has starbursts in it in the s and if the acronym includes it 0 right okay it has to be in there continuum flux you can have uvo optical emission line ratios but i think all of that goes in is not we would not have line ratios uvn optical emission should be in there though no it should not no it is not no it is modifies ratios 0 gosh no emission okay so i have highlighted this in red and then the whole thing in green because type 2 see if the galaxy is one yes that is fine right as long as this is plus red tv gamma ray emission we were not doing broad band detections using the whipple f that is definitely an instrument it is yes very stupid but it is right you are right there fbs objects should not be in there what does it mean i do not know but it has got objects yeah you are right and the mama scanning machine is an instrument it is not a telescope it is an instrument so you can have that at the other one we stopped after a 4 meter 0 yes it should be now emission lines from high line we did it this way before absorption features weak continuum that should be separate continuum radiation no neither neither neerlein region emission yep 0 that is emissions from the narrow line region yep 0 that is emissions from the narrow line region yeah yeah we do not no aligned emissions should be in yeah white dwarfs is a source type f b lobel is a source type yeah you are right stupid that it may be n kek is 0 no kek observatory yes we did decide kek was going in we did not allow iron spectrum so we should not allow h or a human tool spectrum either yeah that is right at all and we should not allow emission yeah he is so electronic yeah radio quasas radio quasas yeah 0 no radio loud and radio quieter but radio clears i just means radio loud than ourselves it does yeah uvxs is all right that is about the future we were not doing flat spectrum no were we i think there are separate class yes we are not putting them in spectral right but i think we are putting them in because it is so broadband but yes they are separate you are right there mind strengths no you can not point to it yeah you missed group i did miss group subaru telescope you are right that is it yay hey wow excellent it is under a proper name because it has got a capital t all right wonderful under 2 hours excellent once we got them identified a lot of them were the same problem going round and round where is the bin in here and more to the point can i get to it without one i can carry in my little bits and the forehand with me excuse me camera i think it has been and there is not one is there do we need to remain wired up are we done i think that is it is not it i think so yeah we are done excellent melissa nell i do not know i think it is all right i think it is i am not here i am not here thank you" ]

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[ "welcome back hello hello let me see there is one of mine okay roo welcome back hello flores the waiting is for sebastian there he is is there any time for a cup of coffee we have a slight problem i opened the c d rom box guys sorry can i get a cup of coffee no okay you can not sorry so just cancel it well during my work i have no time either so well this is life sorry roo yeah i opened the c d rom box okay accidentally okay but it is alright people welcome back with the 2nd meeting for now on the schedule are a few points 1st of all the opening which we are doing now 2nd i received some new project requirements i am not sure if you received them as well but i will tell you about it then the 3 of you prepared a presentation i think sebastian i think so too roo yeah ruud almost almost okay then we will do your one as la the last the top goal of this m but you can not upload your presentation from here i believe we will figure that out okay ca can you try to if it if it if it is wireless i could just put it in the yeah w we will see i do not think it is wireless here it is yeah it is or it is it is yeah okay great okay yeah the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product on the target group and and the functions of the remote control so keep that in mind we have 40 minutes so it is now yep okay the new project requirements 1st of all we did not speak about it but we should not support teletext in the remote because our b board feels that teletext is out of date and internet is replacing teletext so we are not even going to try to implement it in our product it is a board decision the remote control should only be used for television because it is not f feasible it is not w we we cannot make it because of the time to market that we have to deal with yeah time yeah the 3rd requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than 40 which is important for you ruud and as well for roo because the product should be interesting and and should be bought by people younger than 40 then for roo as well important the corporate image should be recognizable in our product so the color colors and the slogan do have to be in the product yes is that clear any questions on these requirements no okay the individual presentations i th roo or sebastian who of you would like to start yeah i will start yeah yes okay great 0 how can i geez and sli and show just press it yes alright well w we we had discussed this already in the fin in the previous discussion the method of the remote control is just the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set so that was the main important thing what a remote control should do yeah then i found 2 different kind of remote controls the multi function remote control with many possibilities but the lack of the feeling i already mentioned in the previous discussion and the ease of use remote control with the less p possibilities but a great feeling in in touching the buttons yeah but yeah my personal preferences were ease of the easy to use remote control because the user friendliness and it can be more trendy in in user design but your new goal f was for people than less than 40 years old huh so maybe the multi function can be implemented in in our design but it should b i think it should be a combination but teletext buttons are not in our design so it should take out well 8 buttons or so but my in my opinion the the easy to use r c is the best possi possibility for us okay ruud did you get that yeah b most yeah okay so the important thing here is and it is also i indeed ruud is insight in the in the topic 0 user friendly in the market yeah yeah what what does the market want i i do not know yeah okay w we will s we all just for for user desi user friendliness i should choose for the the ease of use remote control yeah okay sebastian okay excuse me scusi okay it is still the right thing okay well there are some changes in the design requirements so there are some changes in the method also basically all this device has to do is send messages to a t v set and the m most easy way to do this is by sending pulses of infrared light to a t v set well i th i tried to implement a picture here but it is hardly readable energies and can you see it no it is not visible no well there is a energy source here and basically there it is connected to 3 things the user interface connected to a chip which is connected to the sender which generates messages using infrared light which are sent to the receiver that is basically the idea and there is a little picture just for your imagination how a device like this should look or can look okay what have i found usually these kind of things consist of a battery infrared diode buttons chips and circuit board that is all it is cased together nothing more than that it is almost every piece of equipment every piece of every t v set is controlled infrared yeah there are some exceptions but most of all have infrared controls and the more luxury remote controls have lithium buttons and i think that is what we w yes the glow in the dark concept we discussed in the and it is a little more a little bit more fancy also so maybe we should consider that yeah okay okay i have a basic scheme of the things which are implemented basically this is all there is there is just one chip there are a few buttons connected the buttons are lit and the whole thing is transmitted by a infrared li diode and there is not a power source here so that is basically the total design of this piece of equipment there is nothing more to it so it is fairly easy it is fairly easy it has been done many times before and i think we should we should c s succeed in in our plan to do this succeed in it also okay okay good so okay so personally i think we should infra use infrared because otherwise our device cannot communicate with almost every t v set so i think that should be clear okay another important point is we really should use energy sparse friendly components there are specially designed energy friendly components which consume far less power than conventional components and if we want to use a rechargeable design or a energy save design we should really implement them for cost effectiveness we should really use a very low cost circuit board because most of the production cost are are in this part of the equipment okay and the money we save on using this we can use for elaborate fancy lighting techniques blinking leds and all that kind of fancy stuff i think our users will really will really like that and what is the if we use the leds i does it use much more energy or no they are p f power friendly leds also okay so we can use them so that is no problem for the same costs it is can be in our no they are they are a little bit more expensive but by making combined with the low cost circuit board so it is we can we can make its i think well you could only lit the buttons the buttons that are used most so the channel switching yeah yeah or yeah but but the question is whether 2 or 4 buttons makes m makes such a difference in the costs if you already plan to include fancy lightning techniques okay but i think i guess true yeah i think it is the same as in the cell phone just light in in the device that that shines on all the buttons and not for yes well it is not one light it there are more lights in a in a in a mobile device yeah but not for each button one led i think no no no no that is right that is right okay so well this should be it okay have a think about it yeah okay ruud 0 mine is already outdated okay well we ar we are very curio curious to what the market will feel about such a product since so any income is welcome input okay make well then i am sure the target market is 10000000 units of of which we should sell about 40% to make the 5000000 could you step a little bit more to the right okay yeah thank you but since the other part is 40% of the market i thought earlier we might want to constrain that portion of the market but since the requirements changed that is not a good idea well skip this yeah well it is this till true of course that they only use 10% the buttons the buttons to zap are used the about 1500 times when the power button is only used one time and the volume button is only 4 times so they are obv obviously the most important buttons and lots of people complained they kin can not find their remote control so we might want to build in a feature to support them some audio signal like home phones okay or well that is interesting or a find a finding function you know yeah yeah that is definitely interesting that is quite a yes it it separates our product from others as well sound signal yeah yeah okay go on yes well i just said that and well this obvious and he also said it okay so that is what the market tells us that is about it yes yep okay the volume and the zap buttons are the mostly used mo zap buttons most so volume they are use a lot but yeah well it should just have a design more than all the other buttons so the perfect design for those only those buttons yes and 1st yes we should focus on that i guess yeah yep well the technical there i think there are no technical difficulties there is no elaborate technique used in this kind of equipment so i do not think we have any hiccups there so we can fully concentrate on developing a product that is really what the market needs so maybe it is a good idea to think about these buttons and and and a sound signal yeah the sound signal just one thing i am just wondering the sound signal from where do you execute th the s sound yeah that is a problem well yes th that is a bit of that is a problem another device is not a solution yeah well maybe maybe like clapping in your hands like turning on and off the the the lights usually it should be 0 yes yeah but maybe you will get some new technologies for it yes well there there are some devices who incorporate this technique already there are video sets and they have a special button the find the remote control button you press it and your t v set starts to make a kind of weird sound and your remote controls then start to beep reports representative respend response to it and yeah just like the phones the yes yes that is it yes same thing yeah but th but but t v s do not have all no so we we should use something else buttons and you yeah and usually yeah because we do not have a a a a a home but i believe you will have an we do not control the t v set so well and even if the t v set would have such a button you would have to walk to your t v and it is yes m yes s and we b we want to make so it is is easy as possible for our customers so we should think about okay so what about the clapping technique because you se i am convinced sebastian will find one solution for us it is quite complicated well it is quite complicated because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds and b well you see it a lot in in light lightning yes yes well basically the characteristics the characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume yeah a peak the amplitude of the sound which is generated a few times within a certain period of time yeah yeah but there are many other sounds which are exactly the same from the point of view from a remote control so if if you would be watching a movie it would constantly beep yeah that is true yes so we do not want that but we can have just a home stat f a base station next to the t v maybe we can just a little antenna or something something like that well if you lost th i do not think people would bother walking to the t v and press that button because they lost the their remote well is there not something f something more easily well well i do not think that is just no and y the the most important thing for people is that there is a central point to which they can go and b perform a a some kind of yeah and then the remote control reports itself so w we should use have we should use something like that you do not want another device which can be everywhere in the house which you have to find 1st before you can find your remote control just a base station next to the t v is the best possibility yes something like that but that will be very costly i think so that is not a good idea yeah m maybe w we we do agree on on the thing that the remote should have such a function yeah if it is possible within the costs and all that kind of things maybe sebastian should have a detailed look later on and come up with a solution because that is his his field of expertise i will yeah yes yes but before i do that i w i want to warn you that by implementing this kind of a function the technical design will become more complicated and it will become more costly also yep because there will be additional components which which will be used and there are some implepe imp and do we even prefer the sound above the the leds the lightning well i i think so because when you have a p newspaper over your remote control you cannot see it function it is a unique item so yeah it is a distinction in the market it will be an a unique feature of our remote control it is a different exactly yeah it is an uni an unique feature and i think it is worth looking and and probably more i interesting than than the lights yeah and just about the user interface i came up with an easy remote control and an advanced remote control yeah what should we choose in in design yeah well according to ruud people do not use all the extra features very very often well the extra functions so i have the numbers r i have the numbers right here okay well t we will not support teletext which which was the 3rd most the 2nd most used function used option okay okay well we we do have a wise board so i am not questioning that well yeah channel selection is obviously the most important yeah okay so on the relevance scale the channel selection the volume selection and the teletext so yeah well we skip that yeah so well so it just th the basic functions okay and we do not have to use it for d v d players and all kind of stuff no no no so nope so that is out of the question yeah yeah so just through the easy design i think we should go for the easier one we can make a nice design when when there is not mu much buttons in it i think also yes so well we should save costs by not implementing a lot of functions and the money that we can save from that we should use for having a nice design and thinking about the user interface and no yeah okay ruud how do you feel about that do you agree do you think the market would would respond to a simple well if we include other innovative functions then they might cause young people like new features yeah so yeah that is right okay so this is is kind of just a few buttons trendy design nice lightning effects wh and the sound okay well is it maybe there is another possibility you can make it look like an easy s piece of equipment but it is quite elaborated because it has many functions yeah maybe it is more important to make the make it look like a very friendly easy to catch piece of equipment but nevertheless but but are we not in in the in the manual i mean if you have few buttons no display i mean i guess it is l it is working with with a shift functions and one button can ok like that well i was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling by by these kinds of sticks or something like that i do not know if if it is user friendly that is your field of expertise yeah i do not know yet but but how does how does the remote report r give back to the user w in what state it is because we do not implement a user history there is no but there is no way to do that because we cannot implement that kind of the system i know but but if we use like a stick for example w well maybe we can use a light for that when you move the stick to a to a position maybe a light next to it can lit up so you know i have just pushed the button or i changed the channel or t turned up the volume something like that and if you use that stick for volume control and channel selection you have the m 2 most important functions in one button yeah yes and we could have other buttons for the for the advanced functions but does it i then should n just use i instead of the stick like many cell phones just a round m well should we just use a yeah draw draw it on the board it is already 0 we have a blank 0 0 yeah something like that it is not really a stick but it is just an easy way of of a round button what which can be pushed in 4 directions yes yes instead of a stick a stick is v vulnerab vulnerable yeah it can break down when it is falling down or just a round button should be the trick i think yes yes yeah and yes and this also looks more fancy i think i think it it will attract yeah more public i think a younger huh but you are the marketing man and it is also quite easy to use so it will it attract younger people because well new and it might attract older people because it is easy to use geez well volume and something like that huh the program up and down okay yeah and the vol yeah the pen does not really does what i want okay that is good okay but w we still we are still in the question of putting in advanced options ruud just told us the market is interested in some advanced new techniques however keeping it simple is is important for the costs and all all those kind of things we need to find a balance between the advanced techniques and and the user friendliness but i think our our next step to look at is just that so i do not think it is we have something to do we can not discuss it right now because n no one of us have has the information to discuss about that well for we do have to decide this this meeting i think yes yeah we need to have the the user function the functions decided and okay our target audience kay but teletext is so is just scrapped okay do do you want a list of functions do you want an explicit list which incorporates all function available on the device well i do not want a full it is not necessary to to have a full list but i want the kind of functions for example th the most important are volume and program selecting okay okay the 10 digits well for example that that is what we should think about l how is the remote going to look 0 and just one function not not in the user interface but the the the the program to program button the switch to 2 channels when you have something on channel 4 and something on channel 6 just one button which which can change yeah yes yeah a bit of a split mode change l like yeah yes yes dual channel watch yes yeah okay well m maybe i should write that down well you are the secretary ruud what is your last name mielsen mielsen because i i was writing it down in the last mielsen right i put all the minutes i make into the shared folder so if you want to have a look at it you know where to find it okay but make a s make a sub folder for it because it is starting to fill up already alright yeah that is that is if you want to do it sebastian yeah sure our b s c w okay okay so so volume program dual channel yes that is important and and do we want the 10 digits the 10 digits yeah i believe so well are are you sure well if you want to go to channel 90 and you have th that button i am not so sure yeah well that is complicated but is that so relevant yeah because i do not think but you should shou you should know that i would not buy it personally if it were so a remote control without the 10 digits okay i can imagine when and i think the most i agree actually i can imagine when you are when you have a satellite decoder and and you have well about 600 channels i can imagine you want this just elder elder people would would buy it but well but if you are a regular t v user and you just want to watch the the dutch television networks well you can you can use about 10 buttons but we do have 13 different dutch channels that is enough but yep yeah and if if we the older people only use 5 of them well but how how often do you watch all these channels and if we are targeting at the younger audience they will probably watch more channels than the older people often so no you are probably right yeah okay but i think these 10 buttons look a bit dull do not you think well it depends on the on the on the looks on the on the the design on the design okay well y then there should be should done be done something specific with it well you c you can d make them very fancy by and i mean nokia they have 10 digits on their phones and it still looks very fancy yeah so i am i am i do not agree okay so you can experiment by with with shape or with size or with color that kind of thing exactly exactly okay and there are some numbers about speech recognition here that younger people would like it it might be expensive and hard to implement but it would be a solution okay speech for well maybe it can be combined with the find the remote control yeah so when you add speech recognition to your remote control it is very easy to change the channel yeah that is one thing and it is very easy to find your remote control to find yeah so maybe that is a possibility but i am afraid it will be a bit costly yeah but maybe when we if if we would drop the 10 digits but keep the program and the volume because maybe people do not always want to use their voice okay okay okay especially elder people do not like voice recognition so then we should implement such a but yeah but we do focus on younger people we d it it is a board decision okay yes well i i think it should should work it sh we should manage that so we have to i to make a decision between the 10 digits or the voice recognition okay yes well the voice recognition has the main adva has another advantage it is mas it makes it very easy for us to implement the find find the remote control button remote control function so that is that is a big advantage i think okay okay g good okay there is only one disadvantage by implementing this the power saving power saving will be a bit more difficult so we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries but maybe can we we can think something smart about it yep there are some hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries okay so when you just leave the device in a in a light room it charges itself but you have to do nothing for it but but can we manage it bu for the costs m $12 50 maybe maybe not because it seems like a very and if we if we could inc include a c a cradle in which it could recharge i will have to find that out yes then there would not be a big problem so no that is very cheap cause when is a cradle very cheap it is 0 it is very cheap that is no problem it is just a a case with 2 metal contacts i know b but there should be an adapter as well it is yes but they are they are mass production yeah they are very cheap so it will cost us p practically nothing okay okay we we have about 10 minutes left this meeting i would like to hear maybe maybe you all have th things not spoken about yeah but that are important ruud you you came up with the voice recognition data are there other things about the market we should know i think we dealt with the most important information just that the younger part of the market is not the 40% we want to sell to so we we should for least a bit look at the older people but with buttons like that which are easy to use we might attract them too okay so okay i do not think that is a big problem yeah okay so although we are focussing on younger people to make it profitable yes profitable yeah profitable profitable we we yeah we still need to take in account the the bit older people yes okay 0 okay roo i have nothing nothing to add i think nothing to add sebastian i just want to make a summary of all all things spoken and the different possibilities yeah great so basically we have decided to implement a seemingly easy design so on the outside it looks easy but we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside so that is one the those are the choices we have to make but i think there is a big advantage in making it more elaborate by implementing speech techniques voice recognition that these kinds of things yeah it makes it also more attractable i think to our audience there are some advantages and some disadvantages and the main advantage is that we can implement fancy techniques which i think our customers will like the disadvantage is that there are some concerns about the the costs and the things like battery lifetime energy saving yep another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not do not implement these buttons if we just add a chip which does the voice recognition our circuit board will become even more cheap so that is another well it wa it w it was an issue but we also thought that we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible yeah and that was the main issue right the the board yeah and this even makes it more cheapy so but the cheaper the ch the the chip or th what was it the board the circuit board the circuit board the fewer buttons you can use on it the fewer buttons you have the ch ch the cheaper the circuit board yes no it is th yeah yeah okay it is the other way around yeah yeah and it is very cheap to incorporate an integrated circuit a chip so that is that is another advantage it should not be a big issue well it then we should just take a look at the costs and especially for the voice recognition so yes because i do not know yes i d i really do not know so no it can be costly okay maybe not i am not sure how how we will f determine the costs i will have a look at it maybe you will get some information on that yes i am not sure how how that yes i al i i hope my personal coach will have a lo look at it yep okay great well i think we are qui quite done we are done i think for now we will have the lunch break how nice i am do not know how long the break will be but we will find out me neither then we will have 30 minutes of time to perform our individual work and i am sure your personal coaches will assist you with it i will put the minutes i just made in the project documents folder if you want to look at it well just do the interface designer i would like to the next meeting i would like to receive the components concept roo from you i would like to see interface industrial i am sorry yeah i am sorry yeah user interface designer roo i would like to see the user interface c concept well we understand and the only problem is it that it depends on the divisions the decis decisions sebastian makes well about the voice recognition well i it should be easy that is w w what we concluded well it should be an easy interface with not so much buttons yes yeah s just a a p a p a volume and a program one and yeah some some fancy lights i think that is what we decided so we drop the voice recognition no no no we did not but it should not be integrated yeah it is of course it is user interface or 0 but i i was talking about really the design of the okay well do we really have to decide now or can we decide next meeting no we can decide the next meeting okay yep because i will have some updated info on that yeah i guess all of you have i updated info i am sure the marketing expert will receive t you will do some trend watching yep and i am sure the market will will change adapt and so we will see that adapt adapt left yeah that is it for now that is it kay any other questions or can we have the lunch we can have the lunch yeah yeah okay i will take the lunch good" ]

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[ "welcome back hello let me see there is one of mine ruh welcome back welcome back hello flores the waiting is for sebastian 0 there he is is there a little time for a cup of coffee i opened the cedar rum box can i get a cup of coffee no okay you can not sorry so i just cancel it well during my work i have no time either so well this is live sorry erdo yeah i opened the cd rom box okay accidentally okay that is all right people welcome back with the 2nd meeting for now on the schedule are a few points 1st of all the opening which we are doing now 2nd i received some new project requirements i am not sure if you receive them as well but i will tell you about it then the 3 of you prepared the presentation i think sebastian i think so too ruh yeah rude almost okay then we will do your one as the last the top goal of this you can upload your presentation from here i believe we will figure that out okay can you try to if it is wireless i could just wireless i can just see i do not think it is wireless it is it is yeah okay great the top goal of this meeting is to reach a decision on the product on the targets group and the functions of the remote control so keep that in mind we have 40 minutes so it is now yeah okay the new project requirements project requirements 1st of all we did not speak about it but we should not support teletext in the remote because our board feels that teletext is out of date and the internet is replacing teletext so we are not even going to try to implement it in our product it is a board decision remote control should only be used for television because it is not feasible it is not we cannot make it because of the time to market that we have to deal with the 3rd requirement is that we should focus on customers that are younger than 40 which is important for you ruth and as well for ruhl because the product should be interesting and should be bought by people younger than 40 then for rule as well important the corporate image should be recognizable in our product so the colors and the slogan do have to be in the product yes is that clear any questions on these requirements no okay the individual presentations ruhl or sebastian who would like to start yeah i will start yeah okay great how can i geez and show yes all right well we were discussed already in the previous discussion the method of the remote control is just the function of remote control is basically to send messages to the television set so that was the main important thing what the remote control should do then i found 2 different kind of remote controls the multi function remote control with many possibilities but the lack of the feeling i already mentioned in the previous discussion and the ease of use remote control with the less possibilities but a great feeling in touching the buttons yeah but yeah my personal preference were in the buttons ease of the use remote control because the user friendliness and it can be more trendy in user design but your new goal was for people then less than 40 years old so maybe the multi function can be implemented in in our design but it should i think it should be a combination but teletext buttons are not in our design so it should take out well 8 buttons or so but in my opinion the easy to use rc is the best possibility for us okay ruth did you get that yeah most okay so the important thing here is and it is also indeed a insight in the topic in the market yeah yeah what does the market want i i do not know yeah okay we just for use these user friendliness i should choose for the ease of use remote control yeah okay so justian okay okay excuse me cool see okay it is still the right thing okay well there are some changes in the design requirements so there are some changes in the method also basically all this device has to do is send messages to a tv set and the most easy way to do this is by sending pulses of infrared light to a tv set well i have tried to implement a picture here but it is hardly readable can you see it no it is not visible there is an energy source here and basically it is connected to 3 things a user interface connected to a chip which is connected to the sender which generates messages using infrared light which are sent to the receiver that is basically the idea and there is a little picture just for your imagination how a device like this should look or can look okay what have i found usually these kind of things consist of a battery infrared diode buttons chips and circuit boards that is all it is case together nothing more than that it is almost every piece of equipment every tv set is controlled infrared there are some exceptions but most of all have infrared controls and the more luxury remote controls have lit them buttons and i think that is glow and dark concept and it is a little bit more fancy also so maybe we should consider that okay okay i have a basic scheme of the things which are implemented basically this is all there is there is just one chip there are a few buttons connected the buttons are lit and the whole thing is transmitted by an infrared diode and there is not a power source here so that is basically the total design of this piece of equipment so it is fairly easy it is fairly easy it has been done many times before i think we should succeed in our plan to do this okay good okay so personally i think we should use infrared because otherwise our device cannot communicate with almost every tv set so i think that should be clear another important point is we really should use energy sparse friendly components there are especially designed energy energy friendly components which consume far less power than conventional components and if we want to use rechargeable design or energy safety design we should really implement them for cost effectiveness we should really use a very low cost circuit board because most of the production costs are in this part of the equipment okay the money we save when using this we can use for elaborate fancy lighting techniques blinking leds and all that kind of fancy stuff i think our users will really like that and what is the if we use the lead does it use much more energy no the power friendly leds also so we can use them so that is no problem for the same costs they are a little bit more expensive but by combining with the low cost circuit boards we can make it i think you could only lit the buttons that are used most so the channel switching yeah yeah but the question is whether 2 or 4 buttons makes such a difference in the costs if you already plan to include fancy lightning techniques i guess yeah i think it is the same as in the cell phone just one light in the device that shines on all the buttons all the buttons and that is not one light there are more less in yeah but not for each button no and another that is right that is right okay so well this should be it okay think about it yeah okay root mine is already outdated okay well we are we are very curious to what the market will feel about such a product so any income is welcome input well then i am sure that the target market is 10000000 units of which we should sell about 40% to make the 5000000 could you just have a little bit more to the right but since the other part is 40% of the market i thought we might want to constrain that portion of the market but since the requirements changed that is not a good idea well skip this yeah well this is true of course they only use 10% of the buttons the buttons to zap are used about 1500 times 1500 times when the power button is only used one time and the volume button only 4 times so they are obviously the most important button and lots of people complain that they can not find their remote control so we might want to build in a feature to support them some audio signal like home phones well that is interesting a finding function yeah that is definitely interesting yes it separates her product from others as well okay go on well i just said that and this is obvious and he also said it okay so that is what the market tells us that is about it yeah okay volume and the z buttons are mostly used zep buttons most volume they are used a lot but more than all the other buttons just have a design perfect design for only those buttons yes in 1st we should focus on that i guess yeah well the technical i think there are no technical difficulties there is no elaborate technique used in this kind of equipment so i do not think we have any hiccups there so we can fully concentrate on developing a product that is really what the market needs what the market needs so maybe it is a good idea to think about these buttons and the sound signal and the sound signal from where do you execute the sound another device is another solution well maybe it should be like clapping in your hands like turning on and off the light maybe you will get some new devices who incorporate this technical ready there are video sets and they have a special button the find the remote control button you press it and your tv set starts to make a kind of weird sound and your remote controls then start to beep report response to it just like that is it the phones the same thing but the fees do not have all no so we should use something else yeah because we do not have a home we do not control the tv sets so even if the tv set would have such a button you would have to walk to your tv and we want it to make it as easy as possible for our customers so what about the clapping technique i am convinced sebastian will find one solution for us it is quite complicated because how can you separate the clapping sound from other sounds well you see it a lot in light lightning well basically the karysterex characteristics of clapping is just an increase in the volume the amplitude which is generated a few times within a certain period of time but there are many other sounds which are exactly the same from the point of view from remote control if you be watching a movie it would constantly beep yeah that is true so we do not want to we can have just a home station of a base station next to the tv just a little antenna or something something like that well if you love something i do not think people would bother walking to the tv and press that button i do not think because they lost the remote the most important thing for people is that there is a central point to which they can go and perform some kind of humbling and then the remote control reports itself so we should use have we should use something like that you do not want another device which can be everywhere in the house which you have to find 1st before you can find your remote control just a base station next to the tv or something like that but that will be very costly i think yeah maybe we we do agree on the thing that the remote should have such a function if it is possible within the costs and all that kind of things maybe sebastian should have a detailed look later on and come up with the solution because that hits his field of expertise yes but before i do it i want to warn you that by implementing this kind of a function the technical design will become more complicated and it will become more costly also because there will be additional components which will be used and there are some and do we even prefer the sound of the sound above the leds the lightning i think so because when you have a newspaper over your remote control item you cannot see it yeah it is a distinction in the market it is a different exactly it is a unique feature and i think it is worth looking and and probably more interesting than the light just about the user interface i come up with an easy remote control and an advanced remote control what should we choose in design yeah well according to rute people do not use all the extra functions very very often so i have the numbers right here okay well we will not support teletext which was the 3rd most the 2nd most used function okay well we do have a wise board so i am not questioning that yeah channel selection is obviously the most important yeah okay so on the relevant scale the channel selection the volume selection and the teletext well we skip that so just the basic functions and we do not have to use it for dvd players and all kind of stuff kind of stuff no so that is out of the question yeah just for the easy design i think we should go for the easy we can make a nice design when they are not much of buttons in it well we should save costs by not implementing a lot of functions and the money that we can save from that we should use for having a nice design and thinking about the user interface okay ruth how do you feel about that do you agree do you think the market would respond to a simple well if we include other innovative functions then they might because young people like new features yeah yeah that is right okay so this is kind of a just a few buttons trendy design nice lightning effects okay well maybe there is another possibility you can make it look like an easy piece of equipment but it is quite elaborated because it has many functions yeah maybe it is more important to make make it look like very friendly easy to catch piece of equipment but but are we not in the in the manual i mean if you have few buttons no display i mean i guess it is it is working with with shift functions and one button can like that well i was more thinking about a more elaborate way of controlling by these kinds of sticks or something like that i do not know if it is user friendly that is your feel of expertise yeah i do not know yet how does the remote reports give back to the user in what state it is because we do not implement a user display but there is no way to do that because we cannot implement it that kind of the system i know but if we use like a stick for example well maybe we can use the lights for that when you move the stick to a position maybe a light next to it can lit up so you know i have just pushed the button or change the channel or tuned up the volume something like that and if you use that stick for volume control and channel selection you have the 2 most important functions yeah and we could have other buttons for the advanced functions instead of the stick like many cell phones just around well should we just use yeah draw it on the board it is already 0 we have a blank 0 yeah 0 yeah something like that like that it is not really easy a way of a round button which can be pushed in 4 directions instead of a stick a stick is vulnerable yeah when it can break down or just around the button should be the track i think yes and this also looks more fancy i think i think it it will attract more public i think with jordan marketing man and it is also quite easy to use so it will attract young people because of new and it might attract all the people because it is easy to use geez well volume and something like that program up and down okay yeah and the pen does not really does what i want okay that is good okay but we still we are still in the question of putting in advanced options it just told us the market is interested in some advanced new techniques however keeping it simple is important for the costs and all those kind of things we need to find a balance between the advanced techniques and the user friendliness but i think our next step to look at is just that so i do not think it is we have something to do we can discuss it right now because no one of us has the information to discuss about that well we do have to decide this meeting yes we need to have the user functions other functions decided and our target audience okay but teletext is just do you want a list of functions do you want an explicit list which incorporates all functions available on a device well i do not want a full it is not necessary to have a full list but i want the kind of functions for example the most important are volume and program selecting the 10 digits well for example that is what we should think about really how is the remote going to look not in the user interface but the program to program button the switch to channels when you have something on channel 4 and something on channel 6 just one button which can a bit of a split mode like yeah yeah dual channel watch yes yeah okay well maybe i should write that down well good secretary ruth what is your last name mewson mewson because i was writing it down in the last mewson right i put all the minutes i make into the shared folder so if you want to have a look at it you know where to find it make a subfold for it because it is starting to fill up already yeah that is if you want to do it sebastian rbscw guru okay okay so so volume program dual channel yes that is important and do we want 10 digits yeah i believe are you sure if you want to go to channel 90 and you only have that button yeah wow that is complicated but is that so relevant because i do not think but you should i would not buy it personally if it remote control without the 10 digits okay i can imagine i think the most i agree actually i can imagine when you have a satellite decoder and you have well about 600 channels i can imagine you want this but if you are a regular tv user and you just want to watch the dutch television networks well you can use about 10 buttons but we do have 13 different dutch channels yeah all the people only do you watch all these channels often the younger audience they will probably watch more channels than the older people so you are probably right yeah okay but i think these 10 buttons look a bit dull do not you think well it depends on the looks on the okay well then there should be should be done something specifically you can make them very fancy by i mean nokia they have 10 digits on their phones and it still looks very fancy so i do not agree okay so you can explain okay so you can experiment with shape or with size or with color exactly exactly there are some numbers about speech recognition here that younger people would like it it might be expensive and hard to implement but it would be a solution okay speech well maybe it can be combined with the find the remote control so when you add speech recognition to your your remote control it is very easy to change the channel yeah that is one thing and it is very easy to find your remote control yeah so maybe that is a possibility but i am afraid it will be a bit costly yeah but maybe when we if we would drop the 10 digits but keep the program in the volume because maybe people do not always want to use their voice okay especially other people do not like voice recognition so we should implement such a boss yeah but we do focus on younger people it is a board decision i think it should work we should manage it so we have to make a decision between the 10 digits or the voice recognition yes well the voice recognition has the main advantage has another advantage it makes it very easy for us to implement the find a remote control remote control button remote control function so that is a big advantage i think okay good okay there is only one disadvantage there is only one disadvantage by implementing this the power saving will be a bit more difficult so we can expect that there will be a less longer life to the batteries but maybe we can we can think something smart about it there are some hybrid hybrid devices which incorporate a solar panel and rechargeable batteries okay so when you just leave the device in a in a light room it charges itself you have to do nothing can we manage it for the cost because it seems like a very maybe maybe not i will have to find a that include a cradle in which it could recharge yes so that would not be a big problem no that is very cheap is a cradle very cheap 0 it is very cheap there is no problem it is just a case with 2 metal contacts i know but there should be an adapter as well yes but they are mass production they are very cheap okay it will cost us practically nothing okay we have about 10 minutes left this meeting i would like to hear maybe you all have things not spoken about yet that are important you came up with the voice recognition data are there other things about the market we should know i think we dealt with the most important information just that the younger part of the market is not the 40% we want to sell to so we should for at least a bit look at the older people but with buttons like that which are easy to use we might attract them to so i think that is a big problem okay so although we are focusing on younger people to make it profitable we still need to take an account the bit older people yes okay okay rule i have nothing to add nothing to add sebastian i just want to make a summary of all things spoken and the different possibilities so basically we have decided to implement a seemingly easy design so on the outside it looks easy but we can make it easy on the inside or elaborate on the inside so that is one of the choices we have to make but i think there is a big advantage in making it more elaborate by implementing speech techniques voice recognition these kinds of things it makes it also more attractable i think to our audience there are some advantages and some disadvantages and the main advantages that we can implement fancy techniques which i think our customers will like the disadvantage is that there are some concerns about the costs and things like battery lifetime energy saving another advantage is that the circuit board will become much more easier if we do not implement these buttons if we just add a chip which does the voice recognition our circuit board will become even more cheap yeah and that was the main issue right well it was an issue but we also thought that we already thought we should do it as cheaply as possible yeah and this even makes it more cheapy but the cheaper the chip or the circuit board the fewer buttons you can use the fewer buttons you have the cheaper circuit board it is the other way around and it is very cheap to incorporate an integrated circuit a chip so that is another issue then we should just take a look at the costs and because i do not know especially for the voice recognition i really do not know so it can be costly maybe not i am not sure how i will determine the costs i will have a look at it maybe you will get some information on that yes i am not sure how that i hope my personal coach will have a look at it okay great well i think we are quite done quite done for now we will have the lunch break 0 nice i do not know how long the break will be but we will find out then we will have 30 minutes of time to perform our individual work and i am sure your personal coaches will assist you with it i will put the minutes i just made in the project documents folder if you want to look at it well just do the interface designer i would like to the next meeting i would like to receive the components concept rule from you i would like to see i am sorry yeah i am sorry user interface designer rule i would like to see the user interface concept and yeah the only problem is that it depends on the different the decisions the decisions sebastian makes about the force recognition it should be easy that is what we concluded it should be an easy interface with not so much buttons just a volume and the program one and yeah some fancy lights i think that is what we decided so we dropped the voice recognition no no no we did not but it should not be integrated yeah it is of course it is used of course it is user interface but i was talking about really the design of the well do we really have to decide now or can we decide the next meeting we can decide the next meeting okay yeah because i will have some updated info on that yeah i guess all of you have updated info i am sure the marketing expert will receive that you will do some trend watching and i am sure the market will the market will adapt and adapt and so we will see that yeah that is it for now okay any other questions or can we have the lunch we can have the lunch yeah okay good but i am" ]

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[ "so we come to the 3rd meetings i have good so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design so we okay so i think i will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please open will talk about some specific details i am participant 2 components design this okay so the 1st thing i have done is to to made a review together with the manufactural department and have which components was available to build a remote control so for energy sources we have we have to choose between the solar energy hand dynamo and kinetic well kinetic technique to to store the energy we also we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control this is what we have decided in the last meeting now but if we use battery yeah b f well i meant by by battery i meant i will not have a a wire between the remote control and the energy source but i did not fou we did not decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the the remote so it is a point to discuss then the case material we have also several choices like wood rubber titanium or latex but well it is not a a re well a real issue for the from the technical point of view concerning the interface we can we can put just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons much more complicated but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so and this is the last point the choice of chips so what i have f found is that i think basic battery or kinetic energy collection is the is the better way to provide energy because i think solar energy wi will not work in a cluttered environment so so i think we can start with these 2 main things for the case well i think that titanium is is a good choice because it is trendy and it is it is well it is modern and user are are are will be very happy to have a a a nice remote for the interface i think that we can ach achieve all the desired functionalities by s just using rubber buttons simple buttons and th thus this allow to use a regular chip that are well cheaper and s so we can move to the next slide sorry yeah what is this single curved what does it mean well i i it is it is the the shape of the of the remote so it is it is not you you will have the well the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the yo l yeah when you hold on it it is comfortable to hold yeah it is more confog f comfortable that if these it is completely flat okay yeah and the battery is it kind of a rechargeable or it does not matter yeah the that is the point the kinetic one is y you can recharge by the that that is what it means by kinetic yeah and by well by just by moving the ar your arm the well the remote will accumulate energy okay okay but i d i do not know it is if it is feasible because i do not know if yet if if the user will move enough to provide the remote all the necessary energy okay yeah yeah we we might check with our r and d department to see if they have this product ready for market yeah and yeah and so can you go to the next slide please so and that is that summarize well what i have said so you are right we can see in our r and d if the kinetic metal is sufficient to provide enough energy wha ah the department that is it so i keep in touch with the r and d department 0 yeah i take care it is all right so the titanium case is the normal case that i will show you some pictures that i have and you tell me whether they are titanium case or not all right cause i am not very sure plastic titanium or whatever yeah there is another point i want to make is that the well you have seen them i le na my presentation that i point out some why buttons are not the not the only ways you can use yeah yeah maybe n we will okay 3 yeah so the user interface is i it uses the aspect of a computer system a program which can be seen or heard or otherwise perceived by the human user and the commands and mechanism the user uses to control its operation and input data so you s this gives you the ways to input data and we have we are more we emphasize more on the graphical user interface here the idea is to represent buttons as figures diagrams symbols and on so you you can easily when you look at the symbols you understand what it is doing what is the function of this button yeah yeah so i think it makes the the interface really ea easy to use so next one graphical user interface function 5 so i can use the button the mouse maybe a graphical user interface emphasize the use of pictures yeah so next line so the here are some examples so they cluster the buttons together they group them into colonel they color them and they have different forms as well but this interface are kind of confusing basically there are too many buttons right next one yeah so some people are propose voice recognition and so ah by the way i receive an email from the from one our departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine for this by a company when you tell the you say good morning coffee machine and the machine are reply to you so i just got an email saying that and it seems like this voice recognition technology is ready to be used so we might consider that yeah fine supposedly the next one so somebody some people use some people use a spinning wheel th with the l c display so instead of using the buttons you have a l c d screen and then there you can u you can use that as buttons you can use that as real so so that could be an option as well touch screen i mean yeah next one and some people propose a scroll button integrated with push buttons or you may have scroll button instead of p just the push button like the one we have here next one so so there are a few aspects that i collected here so s basically this deals with special users children handicapped people old people and and prog basically they are programmable specially for children and yeah yeah and then they also secure covers to protect secure and hidden programming and battery covers that will protect your settings so but we do not have to integrate all these complicated features i am just saying that the currently in the market there are there are control there are remote controllers f customisable for different people yeah so that is the point the next one and you see this is the one where you have the protection cover maybe useful for children they migh you you they only see the buttons outside and for adults wh where you have more control you can see the one inside so the adults might want to have a key to lock that to pr so children will not touch the button inside yeah yeah s a good idea the next one so this guy this is another company that provides big buttons at i see that that is useful for old people and then you do not get it lost but for our product we do not need a big one because you have voice recognition e eventually with use yeah and you can call your remote controller if you do not know where it is t v remote controller where are you and then he will beeps and to say that i am here for example we should include speech synthesis in this case no is it possible yeah yeah yeah but as norman say if there is already a commercial product available who t who do this we we can check to integrate it i into our new remote control yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and this is another one where you can the the the part that is a v standing for the volume so there is a up arrow and a down arrow but you the see that in the v the v appears to be the down arrow on the top on the top up arrow if you up arrow there is a v like as as if it is turning down so it is confusing interface so i want to avoid this kind of thing in the design yeah yeah and here are is here is a s short summary that i summary that i compiled after the findings i found big buttons are convenient voice recognition helps push buttons scroll buttons spinning wheels can be used as navigation tools and user customisable is important and finally simplicity simplicity is the key yeah so we have many concepts there but we have to choose later on which ones are important to be used yeah and basically well i i think you it is it is it is fine you have reviewed all all the possibilities but well i if we consider that the user interface is displayed on the t v screen i do not think we nee we need much buttons in the remote since we we just have to navigate and to have a okay or enter key or things like that yeah yeah because adding wheels or scrolls makes the thing more complicated and more expensive also so okay or maybe we can include the user manual in the in the remote control and we should have just a button like help and you say and you ik you press the button help and maybe you see the the user m might in the in the t v yeah that is a good idea to have a help button a help button yeah yeah so you are display on the screen on the t v screen on t v t v screen so on the t v screen on the t v screen the how to use your remote so just you push the button and we will okay okay 0 okay so that eliminates all the complicated documentation okay yeah so wi but people are often enough looking at the help once they see the help button they say 0 this is a complicated stuff if the if no in the case where they need help in the case where they need help yeah it is a psychology in a marketing point of view okay and let us see what the market demands yeah we could just go to my presentation yeah but wel well i think it is just for user customizable for kids or old people yeah that is right i mean it just showed us the remote with an cap which could be used for kids and if you remove the so so it is the same same remote with some can be used by both kids and old people both yeah well what i s propose is that you know a remote controller i it could be a cube is a small device that looks like a cube and maybe you can just change the the buttons if you ch turn one side you get 11 buttons you turn the other side you get the other buttons so for maybe new generation people who get used to the computer they want lots of controls maybe for kids kids they like t no l they like to small well so le le let us see what what people want yeah let us see the market demand and then we can decide what what we can yeah what what market yes yes so we just made an marketing survey of what people need from our remotes and how it could be special from the other remotes and we got the best on the responses from the questionnaires we also have some prizes for the most creative solutions and we found the following solutions which we could which would be helpful for our design so 70% of the users they find their remote controls very ugly they do not find it pleasant to use in the size or usage or anything and 80% of the people they are always l i mean they are willing to spend more money if the remote control would look fancy and the current remote controls do not match well the operating behavior of the user and 75% of the users said they zap a lot and 50% say they use only 10% of the buttons so the rest of the 90% of the buttons they are not used most of the times yeah yeah yeah yes so this were the findings which we found and also they cited frustrations with the present remote controls most of 50% of the time the remote controls are lost somewhere in the room and people are always searching for them rather than watching the t v yeah and by the time they found the remote control the program is finished so they are frustrated a lot yeah and if the remote control is too complicated it takes much time to learn the functionality of it the functionalities yeah so you can just see the percentage 50% people they responded that they always lose their remotes and 34% they say that it is quite difficult to learn if it is too complex yeah so keeping in view all these findings and the frustrations i think this should be the solution for them we should have an l c d on the rem remote control 0 well w well i i i do not really see the advantage of having l c d on the on the remote control if we have a a a big screen and display on the screen big screen it is yeah of course it is fancy trendy and so on but it is it is expensive to produce and it is not really yeah i mean as our survey says that people are willing to pay more if their remotes are fancy yeah so if we have a l c d on the remote rather than looking onto the t v you just look into a remote and navigate it it is the same menu as we have saw that ipod remote control yeah yeah yeah we just play around the thing yeah but when you play with the ipod you do not have a big screen in front of you s yeah yeah you can use this screen instead of the big se screen instead of use the yeah yeah yeah if you re use the existing screen we element eliminate the l c d after all the l c d just to display and if you have the colorful screen you can make the display colorful fancy as fancy as the one on the l c d maybe even better yeah yeah so i mean this were the points which we got from the market demands yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah so i th i i well i think we we can focus on the on the fancy look on the the other one yeah more on a fancy design yeah that is fine yeah on the speech recognition if the technology is available but well i think l c d will will make us spend a lot of money for not so big results i mean that is yeah remember we have a s budget for the cost of producing the remote controller but yeah yeah yeah we have so i is so the thing is you can find out how much an l c d will cost and then we will decide again i mean that should be found out by the industrial designers maybe you can find out the price and tell us next time so price of l c d display is i if i yeah and it is always good to have an voice recognition for the remote controls and yeah and also the cost for the speech recognition yeah ask our r and d department it is for it is just for small vocabulary yeah it is 0 only for a limited vocabulary say 80 commands or so yeah we it is not yeah yeah and ho yeah yeah yeah okay and also the scroller button how much will it cost and well compared to the to s the simpl simpler simplest button yeah the scroll button from the survey we never see that people would like to have some scrolling button push push yeah because they they just they are just frightened to use the scrollings or help button yeah i think that yeah yeah i i i think that well as we have seen in the in the presentation well about 50% of the of the percent n choose the button so i think to have 5 simple button is sufficient for our functionality do not use the buttons yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it does not mean that the other buttons are not necessary or important important yeah but but they are just less used compar yeah they are not used much but the the thing is is i is that we can add a functionality on the on the t v screen like a a list of function and then you choose with the with the button to well you navigate and you yeah yeah yeah yeah so so the at most more power or maybe we can u or maybe we can make this the 10% of button more bigger than the others yeah so but if i i if we if we could have a a a display g a user interface that is very complete on the t v screen i think that just 5 buttons are sufficient yep one to go up left right down and enter and you you you just select the functionality you want to access or things like that yeah yeah you do not have to to switch to a channel to another yeah or it could be like this as the people say if they have a l c d on the remote not on the television because when you have the l c d onto the television screen you miss the picture in the background we are most focused on the commands so if you have then l c d in the remote you just have a menu yeah but and increasing and lower these signs here to change the programs and this menu when you press the menu in the l c d displays as you go on pressing the menu it faster displays volume then the program then the brightness contrast and all the stuff yeah but if you look at the l c d you you do not look at the t v screen so i i it is not really worth to get to have the image if you do not look at and accordingly you can just increase or decrease it is i if yeah and i think it is increases the cost of the the remote control if you use l c d so yeah yeah that has to be checked out i think that there is no contradiction here because if there are few buttons i you do not have to look at your your controller any more because you know where the buttons are yeah so if you want to control the screen d sh sharpness you just say sharpness and then you t turn you just press lef increase or decrease button and the same for the volume and the channel yeah if you had the speech recognition there you just shout your channel just tell your channel and then you do not even have to look at the butto at the controller so finally that wil eliminates the the need for l c d okay with the help of speech recogniser you can yeah i mean better if we could just check all the cost with l c d and also with the speech recognition yeah and then we could find which would would be a more suitable in this case yeah a and and the 3rd problem was to find the remote control always so 50% of the people say they lose the remotes so well so we we can think about a well a a vocal command like find and when the remote control hears fine well yeah just to make him beep or t where yeah you will listen to a peep special peep yeah that is right that is exactly what i mean by voice commander or it could be also something like this it is always boring to change the batteries of the remotes control yeah yeah yeah so we have some one charger there and whenever we do not use the remote control we put it in the charger put it back at the charge put yeah and when we are using that t remote and if we misplace somewhere in the charger we have a small button and just by pressing the button in the charger the remote control beeps wherever it is yeah yeah okay and that is a good idea that is simple like in phones yeah i mean it doe it also does not require a voice command because there are problems with a voice command yeah but you do not you do not have to move the the charger yeah yeah yeah i mean charger would be fixed because it is always with electricity plugged th yeah you have to keep it yeah yeah yeah if there if there there is nuff not enough battery yeah okay also and the remote is lost there is yeah yeah that is right that we can what we can do is we can program a function whereby when you press the switch off t v button the off button the remote there be s instruction on the screen please charge charge me yeah you never get it lost because every time you are off the computer the t v you are asked the the command the t v com remote controller would tell you to put it back to where to the charger it is an good reminder yeah that is right yeah so you will never get lost yeah okay maybe for some people lazy people yeah yeah because everything is programmed inside yeah yeah so it is it is it is all about strategy y and of course the final point is a fancy look as we have seen earlier the remotes which were displayed by norman they were not fancy i mean very big or something with lot of buttons they were ugly yeah yeah they i think we should have something it well the last one with the with 222 parts controller yeah with the 2 parts was original so i mean i mean i mean you see if it is like that even a kid who wants to have a control he could just plug it and use it yeah you can not avoid him but you can have an button for child lock yeah yeah so just by pressing the button with some code you t you put a lock onto the remote so that he can not use even well we can think about having on the on the on the user interface when you switch on the t v you can well write a code or choose a category or if it is kids things like that yeah that is right or maybe you have to to show some specific programs for kids and then just just yeah just push kids button so it is automatically these are probl yeah so if he i think these other 4 points they are the market demands and so it is for the user interface design and industrial design to just think so for yeah yeah so for my part i will check the prices the the prices difference of what to use where to use and s and so on yeah i think it should be clearer for us in the next meeting that th these could be included yeah i think we need to define also a s the set of vocabularies for the speech recogniser yeah because if you want say we can sort by channels or sort by t v programs you have to decide a category of vocabularies for them if numbers they are easy but if name the channel by by name well i think we can we can have just numbers for channels and you can say to your remote control like sports and then on the t v you have a list with with well with sports program playing now and and no we have a problem there you see if you have a voice commands and you are s you are watching a score on basketball score or something and if the score comes 2435 you have just say 25 and suddenly the screen the channel goes to 25 yeah it is yeah so i think there should be a prefix to some numbers that is right yeah yeah well but well e every possible word has a probability to come about of the t v so yeah i mean the the you just check all the probability that saying t v 25 and just ordinary 25 yeah yeah ordinary 25 you almost there is a probability of being said around 6070% and t v 25 yeah but well okay i dunno it will be round about one or 2% so it is better to have some prefix before the number but i i i think that the user would like wou would like to associate the channel or call the channel rather than than the numbers yeah something some code you say numbe channel number 5 of the t v correspond to something else in the channel yeah yeah so some people may want to say i want to see this channel well i that will be too big and it will be difficult for the vocabulary also or just yeah check with the v r and d department the capability of recogniser it is difficult to to just say the the name of the channel it will be difficult to say just the name of the channel because you have to s t a ch yeah but you have to to have all the name of the channel in your vocabulary well it is convenient for the user als might be you just forgot the channel name you kno only know the number or maybe yeah then the or maybe the user can create his own vocabulary just pronouncing the the name of channels and include in the vocabulary i i think that i have i think there is another way you can do is that you can if when the user ch press a button to choose the channel for example then what you can do is that the you can make the t v screen to split them into small little little squares of images where you you you have a snapshot of every channel so let us say it is a 4 by 4 matrix of the images so now what you do is f looking at the all the 16 channels available at one time you just use the control button you just you you just choose the the option you want and then you just hit the button and then you go to that channel yeah the so or lets the user create his own vocabulary so you you do not use the speech recogniser in that way of channel no just you have in the beginning you have t you have to train you have to create the vocabulary by yourself 0 okay yeah well i i also by associating each channel with the name or i i also think about another problem if if there is more than one person who is watching t v the s well the the speech r recogniser should be able to distinguish between the 2 yeah yeah and for each one has his own because i remember when i was a young child with my sister we yeah we always want to w to watch different emission at the at the same time so it is a pr it could be a problem if if well if someone passes by when you are watching t v and say 0 t v 30 and just run or you have to s yeah i want to watch this i want to watch that yeah s a and in the same lines we would have a one more problem if we are using the television in the different environments say in the factories or in the shops where there is a lot of noise and this voice commands if they fail to work yeah yeah yeah that would bring a bad name bad reputation for our company so i think we should specify some pre requirements if we want to use a voice commands say that it should be used in an silent homely environment or s something yeah or we can switch on or switch off the the special yeah yeah that is right that should be an option yeah that is well i think that is a good a good option because it is simple and simple to implement also so i think these are the practical problems so we need to take care of them in the design maybe we will discuss them in next meeting it is time to close this meeting okay well you you stay a 5 minutes okay 0 it came there on 3 minutes back so we are i think we can just press the okay yeah okay okay so i see ya thanks for your collaborations okay see you another 30 minutes" ]

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[ "i am gonnae so we will come to the 3rd meetings i hope the lunch was good so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design so we will talk about some specific details i think i will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please open i am participant to couple of this design okay so the 1st thing i have done is to to make a review together with the manufacturing department and have which components was available to build a remote control so for energy sources we have to choose between solar energy and dynamo and kinetic well kinetic technique to store the energy we also we also can put a regular battery in the remote control this is what we have decided in the last meeting but if we use battery yeah well i meant by battery i meant i would not have a wire between the remote control and an energy source but we did not decide yet which kind of battery we will put inside the remote so it is a point to discuss then the case material we have also several choices like wood rubber titanium or latex but well it is not a real issue from the technical point of view concerning the interface we can put just simple buttons or scrolls our buttons are much more complicated but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so and this is the last point the choice of chips so what i have found is that i think basic battery or kinetic energy collection is the better way to provide energy because i think solar energy will not work in a cluttered environment so i think we can start with these 2 main things for the case well i think that titanium is a good choice because it is trend and it is well it is modern user are will be very happy to have a nice remote for the interface i think that we can achieve all the desired functionalities by just using rubber buttons simple buttons and thus this allows to use this allowed to use a regular chip that are well cheaper and so we can move to the next slide sorry yeah what is a single curved what does it mean well it is the the shape of the remote you will have the well then the curve will fit into your hand when you when you hold on it it is comfortable to hold yeah it is more comfortable that if it is it is completely flat yeah and the battery is a kind of rechargeable or it does not matter yeah that is the point the kinetic one is you can recharge by the that is what it means by yeah yeah well but just by moving your arm the well the well just by moving your arm the well the remote will accumulate energy but i do not know if it is feasible because i do not know if the user will move enough to provide the remote all the necessary energy we might check with our r d department to see if they have this product yeah ready for market yeah and so can you go to the next slide please so and that is summarized what i have said so you are right we can see in our r d if the kinetic method is sufficient to provide enough energy that is it so i will keep in touch with the r d department so the titanium case is the normal cast that i will show you some pictures that i have and you tell me whether there are titanium case or not right yeah plastic titanium or whatever there is another point i want to make is that the well you have seen in my leg my presentation later on i will point out some why buttons are not the not the only ways you can use yeah maybe okay 3 yeah so the user interface is a it deals is the aspect of a computer system or program which can be seen or heard or otherwise perceived by the human user and the commands and mechanism the user uses to control its operation and input data so it just gives you the ways to input the data and we have a we are more we emphasize more on the graphical user interface here the idea is to represent buttons as figures diagrams symbols and so you can easily when you look at the symbols you understand what it is doing what is the function of this yeah yeah so i think it makes the the edge was very easy to use so next one so i can use it like this function 5 so i can use the button the mouse maybe i can use our interface i still use of pictures so next slide so here are some examples so they cluster the buttons together they group them into color they color them and they have different forms as well but this interface are kind of confusing basically there are too many buttons right next one so some people propose voice recognition and so by the way i received an email from the from one of the departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine produced by a company when you tell the you say good morning coffee machine and the machine will reply to you so i just got an email saying that and it seems like this voice recognition technology is ready to be used so we might consider that yeah the next one so somebody some people use some people use a spinning with the lcd display so instead of using the buttons you have an lcd screen and then there you can you can use that as buttons you can use that as wheel so that could be an option as a touchscreen i mean yeah next one and some people propose a scroll button integrated with push button so you may have scroll buttons so you may have scroll buttons instead of just the push button like the one we have here next one so so there are a few aspects that i collected here so basically these deals with special users children handicapped people all people and and basically they are programmable especially for children and yeah yeah and then they also secured covers to protect secured and hidden programming and battery covers that will protect your settings so but we do not have to integrate all these complicated features i am just saying that currently in the market there are remote controllers customizable for different people so that is the point next one and you see this is the one where you have the protection cover it may be useful for children they might you you they only see the buttons outside and for adults where you have more control you can see the one inside so the adults may want to have a key to lock that so children will not touch the button inside yeah yeah it is a good idea the next one so this guy this is another company that provides big buttons i see that is useful for all people and then you do not get it lost but for our product we do not need a big one because you have voice recognition eventually it is used and you can call your remote controller if you do not know where it is tv remote controller where are you and then you will beps and to say i am here for example is it possible we should think that speech and this case no yeah but as norman said if there is already a commercial product available to do this we can can check to integrate it into our new remote control yeah and this is another one where you can the part there is a v standing for the volume so there is an up arrow and a down arrow but you see that in the v the v appears to be the down error on the top on the top up error if you up error there is a v like as if it is turning down so it is confusing interface so i want to avoid this kind of thing in the design and here is a short summary that i compile after the findings i found big buttons are convenient voice recognition helps push buttons scroll buttons spinning wheels can be used as navigation tools and user customizable is important and finally simplicity is the key so we have many concepts there but we have to choose later on which ones are important to be used well i think it is fine you have reviewed all the possibilities but well if we consider that the user interface is displayed on the tv screen i do not think we need much buttons in the remote since we just have to navigate and to have okay or enter key or things like that because adding wheels or scrolls makes the thing more complicated and more expensive also okay or maybe we can include the user in the remote model itself and we should should have just a button like help and you say out and you click you press the button help and maybe you see the user yeah that is a good idea to have a help button a help button yeah so you are display on a screen on the tv screen just you how to use your remote okay 0 okay so that eliminates all the complicated documentation yeah manual okay but people are afraid of looking at they help once they see the help button they say 0 this is a complicated stuff no in the case where they need a psychology okay and let us see what the market demands we could just go to my presentation well it is just for user customizable yeah that is why for kids or old people i mean he just showed us the remote width and cap which could be used for kids and if you remove the so it is the same same remote with some can be used by both both people well what i propose is that you know a remote controller it could be a cube he said a small device that looks like a cube and maybe you can just change the the buttons if you turn one side you get 11 buttons you turn the other side you get the other so for maybe new generation people who get used to the computer they want lots of controls maybe for kids they like small let us see what let us see the market want we can decide what market yes yes so we just made a marketing survey of what people need from our remotes and how it could be special from the other remotes and we got the based on the responses from the questionnaires we also have some prizes for the most creative suggestions and we found the following suggestions which we could which would be helpful for our design so 75% of the users they find their remote controls very ugly they do not find it pleasant to use in the size or usage or anything and 80% of the people they are willing to spend more money if the remote control would look fancy and the current remote controls do not match well the occupier behavior of the user and 75% of the users said there is a lot and 50% say they use only 10% of the buttons so the rest of the 90% of the buttons they are not used most of the times yes so this was the findings which we found and also these are the frustrations with the present remote controls most of 50% of the time the remote controls are lost somewhere in the room and people are always searching for them rather than watching the tv and while the time they found the remote control the program is finished so they are frustrated a lot and if the remote control is too complicated it takes much time to learn the functionality of it so you can just see the percentage 50% people that responded that they will always lose the remote and 34% they say that it is quite difficult to learn to learn if it is too complex yeah so keeping in view all these findings and the frustrations i think this should be the solution for them we should have an lcd on the remote control 0 well i do not really see the advantage of having lcd on the remote control if we have a big screen and the display on the screen it is yeah of course it is fancy trendy and so on but it is expensive to produce i mean as our service says that people are willing to pay more if your remotes are fancy so if you have an lcd on the remote rather than looking onto the tv you just look into a remote and navigate it you just say menu as we saw that ipod remote control they just play around yeah but when you play with the ipad you do not have a big screen in front of you you can not use the skin instead of the big screen instead of the existing skin if you reuse the existing skin we eliminate the lcd after all the lcd it is just to display and if you have the colorful screen you can make the display colorful fancy as fancy as the one on the lcd maybe even better so i mean these were the points which we got from the market demands so i think we can focus on the fancy look on the yeah more on the fancy design yeah on the speech recognition if the technology is available but well i think lcd will we will make us spend a lot of money for not so big results remember we have us budget for the cost of producing the remote controller yeah yeah so the thing is you can find out how much an lcd will cost and then we will decide again i mean that should be found out by industrial designers maybe you can find out the price and tell us next time right so price of lcd display yeah and it is always good to have a voice recognition for the remote controls and also the cost for the speech recognition yeah as our r d partner it is just for support vocabulary yeah it is only for a limited vocabulary say 80 commands or so yeah okay and also the scroller button how much will it cost well compared to the simple simple the scroll button anywhere from the survey we never see that people would like to have some scrolling button they are just frightened to use the scrollings or help button yeah i think that well as we have seen in the the presentation well about 50% of the person do not use the button so i think to have a 5 simple button is sufficient for our functionality it does not mean that the other buttons are not important yeah but but they are just they are not too much the thing is is that we can add the functionality on the on the tv screen like a list of function and then you choose with the button to navigate and you so then and more power or maybe we can make this the 10% of buttons more bigger than the others yeah but if if we if we could have a display a user interface that is very complete on the tv screen i think that just 5 buttons is are sufficient you want to go up left right down and enter and you just select the functionality you want to access or things like that you do not have to switch to a channel to another or it could be like this as the people say if they have an lcd on the remote not on the television because when you have the lcd onto the television screen you miss the picture in the background we are most focused on the commands on the commands so if you have an lcd in the remote you just have a menu and increasing and lower the signs here to change the programs and this menu when you press the menu in the lcd it displace as you go on pressing the menu 1st it displays volume then the program then the brightness contrast and all this stuff and accordingly you can just increase or decrease yeah but if you look at the lcd you do not look at the tv screen so if you it is not really worth to get to have the image if you do not look at and i think it increases the cost of the remote monitor if you know that has to be checked out i think there there is no contradiction here because if there are few buttons you do not have to look at your controller anymore because you know where the buttons are so if you want to control the screen sharpness you just say sharpness and then you turn you just press left increase or decrease button and the same for the volume yeah and the channel if you have the speech recognition there you just shout your channel just tell your channel and then you do not even have to look at the controller so finally that will eliminate the need for lcd with the help of speech recognizer you can i mean it is really better if we could just check out the cost with lcd and also with the speech recognition yeah and then we could find which would be the most suitable for this case yeah and the 3rd problem was to find the remote control always so 50% of the people say they lose the remotes well so we can think about a vocal command like find and when the remote control here is fine to a peep yeah that is right that is exactly what i mean by voice command there or it could be also something like this it is always boring to change the batteries of the remote control so we have some charger there and whenever we do not use the remote control we put it in the charger and when we are using that remote and if we misplay somewhere in the charger we have a small button and just by pressing the button in the charger the remote control beeps wherever it is that is a good idea that is simple i mean it also does not require a voice command because there are problems with the you do not have to move the charger yeah yeah i mean charging will be fixed because it is always with electricity plug if there are there is not enough enough battery so and the remote is lost yeah yeah that is right that we can what we can do is you can program a function whereby when you press the switch off tv button the off button the remote there will be an instruction of screen please charge charge me yeah you never get it lost because every time you are off the computer the tv you asked the the command the tv remote controller will tell you to put it back to where to the charger it is a good reminder yeah that is right so you will never get lost okay yeah maybe for some people but former lazy people yeah because everything is programmed inside yeah so it is all about strategy and of course the final point is a fancy look as we have seen earlier the remotes which were displayed by norman they were fancy very big or something with lot of buttons i think we should have something well the last one with the 2 parts was a little original i mean it is well i mean i mean i mean you say if it is like that even a kid who wants to have a control you could just plug it and use it you can not avoid him but you can have an button for child lock yeah so just by pressing the button with some code you put a lock onto the remote so that he can not use even if i can think about having on the on the user interface when you switch on the tv you can write a code or choose a category if it is kids yeah that is right or maybe you have to show you to show you some specific programs for our kids and then just 0 did the odd is up from yeah just push kids button so it is automatically so if we we can resume what we i think these are the 4 points where the market demands and so it is for the user interface design and industrial design so for my part i will check the prices prices different of what to use where to use and i think it is a bit clearer for us in the next meeting that this possible test could be included i think we need to define also as the set of vocabularies for the speech recogniser yeah because if you want just say we can sort by channels or sort by tv programs you have to decide the category of vocabularies for that if numbers they are easy but if you want to name the channel by by name well i think we can we can have just numbers for channels and you can say to your remote control like sports and then on the tv you have a list with with well with sports program playing now no we have a problem there you say if you have a voice comments and you are we are watching a score on a basketball score or something and if the score comes 25 or 35 you just say 25 and suddenly the screen the channel goes to 25 so i think there should be a prefix to some numbers well every possible world has a probability to come about of the tv so i mean the just check out the probability that is saying tv 25 and just ordinary 25 ordinary 25 you almost there is a probability of being said yeah around 6070% okay on tv 25 i do not know it should be around one or 2% so it is better to have some prefix code before the number but i think that the user would like would like to associate the channel we are called the channel rather than the number yeah something some code say number channel number 5 of your tv correspond to something else yeah yeah so some people may want to say i want to see this channel that will be too big and it would be difficult for the vocabulary also check with the r d department the capability i recognize the name of the channel it will be difficult to say just the name of the channel because it is convenient for the user yeah but you have to to have all the name of the channel in your vocabulary also might be just forgot the channel name you know only know the number then or maybe the user can create his own vocabulary just pronouncing the i think that i have a channel and include in the vocabic i think there is another way you can do is that you can when the user press a button to choose the channel for example then what you can do is that the you can make the tv screen to split them into small little little squares of images where you you have a snapshot of every channel so let us say it is a 4 by 4 metrics of the images so now what you do is looking at all the 16 channels available at one time you just use the control button there you just choose the the option you want and then you just hit the button and then you will go to that channel so or let us the user create his all in vocabulary so you do not use the speech synchronizer in that way no just you have in the beginning you have you have to train you have to create a vocabulary by yourself i also by associating each channel with name or i also think about another problem if there is more than one person who is watching tv yes the speech recogniser should be able to distinguish between the 2 because i remember when i was a young child with my sister i want to watch this i want to get it we always want to watch different emissions at the same time so it could be a problem if if well if someone passes by when you are watching tv and say 0 tv 30 and just run and in the same lines we would have one more problem if we are using the television in the different environments say in the factories or in the shops there is a lot of noise and this voice commands if they fail to work that would bring a bad name by reputation for our company so i think we should specify some pre requirements if we want to use the voice commands say that it should be used in a silent homely environment or something we can switch on or switch off the special yeah that is right there should be an option yeah that is well i think that is a good a good option because it is simple simple to implement and these are the practical problems so we need to take care of them in the design we will discuss them in next meeting it is time to close this meeting okay we still have 5 minutes 0 it came around 3 minutes back yeah i think we are just plus the okay okay so i see you another another 30 minutes yes it is time to make this further or after the next meeting when we are going to make the now or after the next paper yes the only paper okay g" ]

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[ "16 times 0 i am not a 100% sure but i am not having crashes at the moment so what i am having is so we we had a we had a long problem about not finding out why the time synching up between the relative time in in a in a sort of in a in a summarized section and the absolute time did not correspond and stuff and we found it was some stupid well at the moment our best guess is that it was some stupid java thing about if you if you actually if you have 2 objects and you say object if you say a equals b they actually reference to the same thing yeah so any changes you make to one are made to the other and if you do that around 5 corners you lose track of it and you suddenly wonder why that value is 0 and it turns out it is 0 because it is the same thing that you anyway so we figured out it is interesting why do not i have a screen here now actually that is new but that is okay it is doing different things all the time like this is the 1st time that actually the but that should be okay that should be okay i will i will be able to yeah but last time i pressed that key combination everything went wrong and i think i will be able to do it just fine on the screen so that will probably keep me from pointing on my screen which i usually it might just be at this point like there is sometimes a point to loading not usually that long well let us see anyway so n let us just see what happens in the end we did get it working before 0 see i get yeah yeah ah so now i am having a complete mess of like split split screens and stuff i think last time yes but that is not what we want is it so but i think if i this is a log out command and usually it resets this amazing strange color combinations i see in front of me at the moment yeah we somehow always get it working but in different ways every time so that kept us like basically from doing anything else product qu for quite some time in the last days because we were hunting down that stupid error i got it fixed in the last whatever one hour or something but so at the moment the program is sort of in between working and not working because we have done lots of changes to what the error was dave i think actually that the summary at the current moment is not working a 100% correct but that could be because of the input data it seems to just take the 1st utterances more or less does it i have to check that out yeah like if you if you 1st if you read through the summaries they read suspiciously fluent like as in people is questions and answers and then if you plot them on the screen where where they are at the moment they seem to 0 it depends which data you use as well because if you use the data where they are all really high it does prefer ones from the beginning because it just picks the 1st ones it finds yes so maybe that is where the problem is coming from but i will check it out anyway yeah so this is when you start shifting around your laptop to think that it gets somehow less sloped on the screen so i am not really sure what this meeting is about to be honest i am i am going to show this just what we have at the moment but it not going to look very different from what we had last time do not ask him what happened to the promise that you will get your script where you can use your own stuff because actually that was sort of ready but then we sort started trying to get something more working and then we got into big problems so at the moment i mean again we should be at a state where people can load their own sc okay yeah i have got time now like for the next couple of days i will do some on it cause i was just too busy last week yeah thing is a at the moment it is just really bad for me but from monday on i can just do 247 for this one until it until it is due but until monday it is going to be really bad like i can probably help people if they have problems with getting getting what we have running now but okay so i will just start it up what we have now and then we can talk about what different people have and stuff what is that that is creeping over the other screen i know huh does not look great does it eek yeah it does not but sometimes you have to take whatever you get and then just see how far that gets you that is really weird cause it is just started creeping over yeah so let us perhaps in the meantime talk about the numbers we assign to the dialog acts because yeah i did not know that you left out those who do not have words so i just extracted the actual dialog numbers and the problem is it is perhaps more dangerous to get mistaken with all those numbers and not knowing why things happen if we just devote numbers and n make new n n well as long as the 2 correspond then it is fine yeah sure but i mean for all those measures that are based on words i can automatically just throw those where it is nothing but those dialogs acts like 33 in in the 1st meeting they have a duration even though they do not have a word so for my earl other measures i i get them and i do not i mean i would have to look for every single write a program that looks for everything a number and does the mapping for that 0 right i see okay so would it be would it be easier if there is a reference file with the actual real i d and the corresponding number yes yeah there is there is index files already so is there some already yeah why is that yeah in the raw text index directory yeah and it allows you to map between the different i d s so would that solve the problem basically yeah i just wanted to why do you think it is necessary at all to do that because the whole program works on them being numbered at the moment yeah and it is a problem if there is no it would be a lot of word for really no extra p feature gain at all but actually i think there is something in the audio should not there if there is even though there is not a word i think in the audio there will be something at that point because it has a duration or do you think it could appear in the summary well if it is something in the audio that is just like a noise then we do not want it yeah i guess cause we can not show it in the display so d you cut it out yeah yeah they have been cut out the ones that do not have any words yeah suppose but would that not happen at some sorry i am jum jumping in would that not happen at summarisation anyway even if they are in the w like with the ones that have no words and then not have really low information density or something huh i do not i do not know you cause the thing is it depends if we want to have it display the whole thing at once cause you would reckon that you could leave them in and they would never show up in a summary anyway if you left them in hopefully it would not affect the way the program works yeah i mean but why do you have a special for those no i guess not well i do not in the program it is just they are not in the raw text files it is just that is just cause they would have a blank line in it seems a bit stupid yeah but i can fit em back in if yeah i mean it is just a question i wanted to raise well either way yeah either way is fine by me as long as the 2 wo things tie up as far as i am concerned it does not really matter whether those are in or out we would not you think that if we just write the program the way that even in the p way that it displays everything it still leaves those out like if we those a special information density i d or if you just put a spe yeah something like that no -one or something and then just make sure that summary even in the in the most summarized mode just never puts them in yeah certainly possible it might be a problem for me at the stage right now because i based everything on not having those actually yeah cause the t f i d f would not make any sense with yeah it is a cer yeah yeah my topic segmenter does not like blank lines either what i also so maybe we should just omit them then yeah what i also did was having 2 people annotate the 1st meeting and so they did not annotate the n n the spaces and everything would mess up i think if i had spaces for the new values so when i went to do correlation it would not work anymore so i do not know okay so maybe we should leave them out then kay shall we take a quick look at the current sys 0 okay s 0 what i could do is work further with what i have got now and then just when i have my yeah the final formula ready i could t apply to the new stuff that would be okay so by how did you assign the dialog act number did you take the one you found in the in the x m l file and just know put it there or did you no my yeah what my t f i d f is based on colin is data sorry so i end up with the same 0 it is the bar is working now okay okay you end up with yeah yeah it is actually okay it is it is jumping now 0 yeah cool sorry yeah another sh issue was that 0 so the summary is probably okay cause it does the job yeah it did s it did summarize just now it is just it is summarizing stupidly but at least it is jumping yeah is it still the old old t f i d f shall yes and in fact at the moment i do not even know which of the 2 i am summarizing over 0 okay do you know y are w are we so at the moment the configuration is that word importance file is test 3 and t d i d f file is test 2 0 i can not remember which one it is at the moment yep that that those names are mislead well the t f i d f is fine but word importance is completely misleading it is not word importance at all i have just i have just switched them around so i have no clue what we are actually doing at the moment yeah especially since i have just especially s since i have just switched them around anyway but that is okay i by the way i read a paper which makes an important point about combining 2 things of that type that is basically it is it is t going on about this fancy called geometric mean which effectively just means multiplying them but i i have some good f information about different ways how you can sort of weight 2 different factors because it is like it it is for something very similar somebody would try to solve a very similar problem where they also had 2 factors sort of and they want to weigh them together and there is like a good justifiable reason why we should do in a certain way and how we can then with a simple parameter adjust how much one weighs and how much the other weighs so there is something for just for putting them together in a relatively simple way but still a way that we can sort of justify and we can quote stuff on that is it very complex or is it r 0 just multiplying together yeah sure we no it is multiplying them and and like putting them one over the power of something and the other over -11 minus the power of something to a power yeah i have seen that before and that is sort of and they they have plotted some graphs about like where they show f like one going from 0 to the one and the other going 0 to one and like how the how the landscape changes and how i the parameter changes yeah how it works so it is quite good yeah i have seen that before actually so that is probably seeing that we are probably not going to go into any whatever base blah blah blah markov model blah blah blah about f combining them no that is probably what we go at now this is still not ideal at the moment dave it is it is sort of it is overrunning the f like it so okay so at the moment we are that far that if i now click onto a segment hits yeah ah it is still working like it should do yeah it is just wait sorry i just re sized it a bit who has that going yeah so it is j like the values are sort of hard coded for the screen sizes in dice and my screen is smaller so let us see i was a stupid user and was clicking on this segment we probably have to make the segment lines a lot bigger so then i h i did i get a new summarisation yeah i did not actually see so let me check a different one yeah yeah so you see it is a different text and you see it it is running through it so it did work and also you see the indicator in where we are is jumping yeah so it is it is skipping stuff now i do not think the summary at the moment is what we wanted to be seeing the words like 0 and and exactly exactly right sure 0 yeah yeah that that is ancient data though so this seems probably sh this is again probably the opposite of what we want so it is probably some value that you have to like divide by 11 divide by the value of something but having said that it is picking out some interesting stuff like we are looking at atlas you would expect to score quite high yes but also every other word in that sentence we should look at are probably in your list of 50 like list of all important words in the universe yeah maybe but atlas you would have thought it would be quite high so yes but it is probably just because if you look at the other one like this is just their best sentence for like having function words in a row sort of and every 0 other i mean this one is sort of the developing a big infrastructure huh so maybe it is just doing it randomly at the moment i do not know but we have some summary working and that is a good basis to start from if i promise now that you will get something where you can put your own data and that is sort of ringing a bit hollow i am just quite surprised it all actually worked because i have been working it we have been working on like incomplete versions that have not worked for a long time and like to see it all come together yeah yeah still it is it it is might be having some problem i think this one over ran just before so we might still have some problem here that it is not stopping at the end but so dave can you make the promise even i am not making the promise realistically that the girls will very soon get yeah i will do the 1st thing i will do is make a load box for selecting a file okay yeah and a script that sets the class path so it can be run with just a script yeah so p class path is like this long s s so at the moment i have hard coded it to just taking 110th of the number of utterances which were in the original selection but we will have parameter for that yeah yeah it actually it gives you an error if you put it to 20 because there is some things in there which are shorter than 20 and 20 and if you select those than it is having an yeah we need to add some sanity checking in some of the stuff yeah but i think like a b a proportional one is probably not bad idea that is bl i mean an an absolute length is sort of a bit strange because that means that some utterances will not be changed in length i know but we had that discussion before and i am confused myself about what i think about it yeah so the fact that this is going on beyond that green line here is something that is not ideal but that is something we have to sort out but this is working in general does anyone have a general overview over the whole time issue like as in what date is it today what date do we have to have this presented what day of the week is that and issues like that so the presentation is now sh 2 weeks from today presentation is exactly in 2 weeks yeah kay one week from today i shall hear the freedom ring from the hills and and everything and shall then throw myself into new slavery and re i think we should start to think about evaluation by now i mean if you want to have some people but we do not we do not need it evaluated for the presentation do we yeah but it is just 3 days between the presentation and the yeah but yeah is it 0 cause it was moved back was not it ah yeah yeah no really so yeah i do not know if we are gon yeah and the report yeah i can rope people in to to doing it a few people at least do you think we are going to have time yeah i think we should ha take the time because i think it will be as long as we design it as long as we design it before hand i think we can probably manage to actually do it in the 3 days after is it not is it not only 2 days anyway you are talking about the user evaluation but we will also have to write the the thing in that time writing the report will not be so bad how long is it expected to be i do not know but it is 50% of the mark i know but if everyone like if everyone is managing 3 pages for their bit then that is going to be that that is a big report then no and stuff so yeah but evaluation ah we should probably write some user documentation cause i bet that will get us marks yeah you think yeah they would love that kind of stuff yeah i think so too we should probably inquire about that or like integrate tool tips that would be visible just we will just write you know little help files or something yeah yeah that would probably be quite good yeah i have got a basic search working now have you java doc ed it it is g it has got a user interface so yeah no and also where is it i am still in my directory but i i can put it in your directory okay cause the code version in the group directory is not the right one yeah yeah i have i have not been using that yeah yeah yeah i have just been taking the the class files from your directory okay having said that dave we could probably w like if we want we could probably go back to the c to the group directory and just use this trick it really seems to be all about starting in the directory in directory yeah but i mean if if the 2 of us are just working on it it does not make a difference cause i have already mounted your directory now so and probably okay well we should wait till we have it ready for you guys to use then we will put it back in the group directory so i will try and do that today cause i have got time today and as long as i do not run into problems i do not see it taking too long how about the summarisation again you wanted to base it on sentence length as well and i have got a sentence length incorporated into my importance measure at the moment so well in that case it it is probably just i mean that is probably fine i mean okay but if we do it twice it would not make too much sense yeah yeah it would buy us something do not know how exactly we will want to implement your i am not sure how much should be done in the program because i do not know i think it should probably be done off line what the basic combining of all the factors well if it is just multiplying to numbers it can be done in the program cause then we can because what we could do is have a slide bar where we can adjust this value yeah yeah sure actually if you can figure out a way like how basically a general way because there is at least 2 points at which we are interested in that how we can just have a slide bar which we can read and write to which is in a frame of that type that would be good it should not be difficult should it i mean should just be hopefully we can take over that right one cause we do not need it that would be quite nice yeah but it might be more diffi let us see it you could if you are lucky you probably have just to extend that class and then you can work with that value but if you are unlucky it might be quicker to just write a very simple string component which is just the s just a bar i bet you can just just add it to the panel like what i bet that is a pre made swing component that little slider and all you do is add it to a panel yeah yeah yeah so because we would basically it would be good to have 2 different ones to play around with one for controlling the length of the summary and another one for for the merging factor if we do it that way with the chi metric yeah can you send me a link to that paper so that i will implement that in summarizer yeah yeah it is it is just a single formula effectively yeah how is the audio thing going is that you have probably not had time to work on that 0 no i have not looked at it yeah like last week i just not done anything but can not see it taking long again kay it seems that at the moment a lot of the stuff that has to be done at sort of at the moment i am saying 0 dave can you do that so that is not ideal but to be honest i did like nothing really on it last week so and i have got time today tomorrow and probably friday 0 okay so cause i think i mean the audio is a v in the end the audio is a very important component of it just because it is it is going to look stupid if we have everything working but just if it is just annoying because i need to do that on a dice machine so i can not get them to compile under windows the speech tools yeah and most the dice machines do not have working sound cards so is there any way for x forwarding sound no idea cause that would be sort of the nice way to sit at home and have it forward the sound at the lowest bit rate to you yeah i mean seeing that it is over broad band it is forwarding the graphics quite okay it would probably like broad band wise band width wise probably work out i am not sure how it if it if it can do sound or not i have no idea but it is probably not and not a simple thing but like what i can do is i i am pretty confident that it will just be writing a script and it will just go and as long as i can test the script like once and it is working fine i can just make it return dummy stuff so it works on other machines y are you not creating files anywhere like sort of real files yes so so that you can do on a dice machine independent of w 0 actually i know what i can do i can then i can change the script so if i am using my one at home i can just add s s h stuff in to ev evoke the sound tools on the on dice and then copy em back yeah one problem with s s h ing in general is that the machine that like on the only gateway machines they hate you for doing anything on them yeah and there is no simple way at least i have not found one to directly in in a single step sort of s s h and then s s h again well actually i guess if you put s s h and you know c you can give a command outright after with s s h so if that c command is s s h again and if you that would require that you have all your key files set correctly yeah which i have not because it always fucks up on my system maybe if you get that working then you should be able to directly go into another machine i am sure i can figure out some way to do it anyway yeah if it comes to it i will just install netbeans and stuff on my linux machine and work on that yeah cause a p a primitive version of the sound to have relatively soon would be good i think well that to be honest there will not be a primitive in between stage ok okay just it will just work hopefully okay okay okay in theory at least anyway okay good so to come back to the problem we had before so the reason why the summary did not work well in the last one and works well now is because based on the bottom data the data is so homogeneously high in its imp importance rating that it just sort of then everything else being equal it took the 1st ones more or less but now it is working better because now it is on a much more evenly distributed i wonder if we should do something like dropping the bottom 3rd then re mapping the lowest remaining one to 0 and scaling it like that cause you get a much nicer distribution like that well the most professional way of doing it would be to map them according to the standard deviation cause that way it au would automatically always that is sort of like it it is the problem is it is more calculation expensive and slightly more complicated even though it is actually like in terms of calculation it is not much heavier but like you know generally about standard deviation i have not used it to do that before but yeah it is it is a g it is a very simple simple formu it is basically just whatever the average of r mean square differences from the mean or something yeah which the problem with it is that generally you 1st have to get the mean and only t only once you have the mean you know what there is a way of calculating it yeah well calculating it cumulatively but i can not remember it in one go yeah i have derived that i have derived that myself like i did not find it so i did it myself and it took me a day with the formula yeah but then i am slow at maths so the the good thing about that would be that if you simply say that whatever one standard deviation below the mean is 0 and one standard deviation above the mean is one or 2 standard deviations or something then whatever the data is like it would always normalize yeah that is probably quite a good idea yeah it is it is not the simplest but that like that is the most professional way i can think about it y that would indirectly also drop stuff i mean that would drop whatever is below or above yeah yeah that is probably quite sensible so if you find that formula that would be good otherwise i can see if i can still understand like i did it in my program it is it is really stupid like the standard standard deviation formula just requires you to have the mean initially and that makes some things exactly twice as computationally expensive and there is a way of doing it cumula cumulatively yeah i can not remember it off hand but i know there is one so yeah so that is one possible way of doing that so the but it could be it could be fine i mean running over the data twice probably is okay and that is just in the loading stage right yeah that should actually be fine especially in the worst case we just introduce a small hour glass yeah yeah but anyway we only we only going to present this once and we can probably just like sort of start it up before the presentation starts so if we should not at all be worried about it is actually it is quite beautiful it is like if you b want a program only to run once and only a part of it you do not worry if it crashes afterwards if it wastes all the resources if it formats the hard disk in the end anyway i am rambling on yeah never closes the process when he does it now d no it does not it does not if y i changed it i just they used to not close the process when you click the cross so you would forget that that means that you would start it 15 times over and have 15 zombies running does anyone know anything about which dice machines have sound cards and how to find them no cause the thing is we can like this at the moment wor is working because it has a sound card the interesting thing is that because it is structure of this it is not enough to just say well if you do not have a sound card you do not have sound at least i think that is what i remember our problem was that yeah it refuses to r load the clock for some reason yeah no so i have worked around that there is ways i think to get around it but the problem is i do not know why so you b you basically we have to we have to have 2 code versions then one for sound card and one for non sound card machines to test it on because it you have to change all sorts of other things if you do not have a sound card so there is not a simple way to just tell which ones the sound card machines are and just to use sound card machines is there that really yeah that makes it really quite difficult for us if we want to test our stuff the 1st have to fight for our computers without cards we no but i guess i mean if you just if you trust in dave is summary for the audio just putting all these things into sound then then having a written summary yeah sure i mean i yeah yeah i i just care for the written one yeah you still you saint yeah you still get the written one and the display does that work without the sound cards yeah yeah so the yeah the only thing you do not get is the clock okay yeah so i think dave really the easiest way is if you just make a sound card and a non sound card version of it okay yeah because i do not think we should bother cause we will run it on a sound card version yeah but then that means that the girls can not test it that is the problem like th yes they can we can all that happens is it refuses to load load the clock you still get the display in the summary yes but without the clock you do not have well actually you are right it does not like f it does not strictly have to do any movement in it yeah so the yeah the move but you can still click on the segments and that will still work will not it yeah but we have to comment stuff out for that i think like at the moment if you click on a segment it automatically sets the whole clock thing going and stuff so we have to comment out stuff so that is what i am saying that there is we could make it that a flag could not we okay we could just make that like a run time flag and then make a few ifs and say if yeah 0 there must be a way of detecting whether the clock is loaded like in fact there there is yes the p there is you can try and set something on the clock and use try and catch and then if you catch the exceptions set the flag yeah yeah so anyway so that is something we should probably do in one way or another because it seems just that the overwhelming majority of dice machines do not have sound card okay do you want to have a look at the agreement and disagreement data that i worked on last week or do we have anything more on this no nothing c much to talk about this so apart from like a search box and the similarity thing f once that kicks off w which is going to be horrible but this is more or less in the end like this is very similar to what our product will look like in the end seeing that realistically with the given time frame we are not going to do amazing new things from now on yeah so i mean we will hopefully be able t m perhaps my list of agreements huh perhaps my list of agreements somewhere list of agreements yeah if we find them good enough we could put those on display okay yeah we wanted to provide that in an extra list saying probably agreement okay instead of a list what about putting it in the display yeah i think it would be good dave is right it could be good in the display to annotate them in the display if we can yeah for example yeah yeah we could just make can you click on a point in time in display and jump to there yet not just yet but that should that is actually that is probably the only i can say i can do this week because that should be i mean i will do it in an inefficient way okay cause that would be pretty good i will effectively sort of go through all the segments and check if they are clicked on but i think dave what we should do is that th the time click of the clock i think that is changeable and i think we should probably increase that because at the moment it is 0 one seconds and that is just there is actually there are some background noise when it is working and i think that is because it is like doing so much every time no i do not get that on my machine yeah it is probably because you d i am not sure if you have the version where the display yet where the display is actually updating up here when it is moving on no i do not no so i mean yes it is because my display is programmed inefficiently but i think with the t given time constraints it is probably easier instead of making a very efficient display code to just make the time make the clock whatever okay 05 seconds or something do you want the monitor as long as you can skip more accurately than the time steps that is fine cause otherwise you might risk cutting bits off if i can skip more accurately then like if you want to jump to a point you need to be able to jump more accurately than half 2nd by half 2nd you will miss words you are are we still with that idea that we want to display bars for the individual speakers yeah i think so okay and also displaying the speakers before an utterance it is a bit small but i do not know why that is okay 0 yeah i can yeah i can do that strange that is probably because it is coming from my resolution and it is you have a much higher resolution so yeah perhaps p because it is wide screen or something yeah but okay what you see here in this part is no mouse yeah there it is yeah here is a list of the most important or yeah most probable words that occur in agreement so the number in the 1st brackets is so i run it on all the b e d b m r and b r 0 meetings to learn it so the number in the 1st brackets is how often it occurred in the utterances that were annotated as agreements by the dialog act agreement and the number in the 2nd brackets is how much it occurred in the rest and the 1st number in every line is how much more often that is per same same text length so the num the words that it gives it are look quite good i think it is yeah exciting perfect true interesting exactly correct super and so on and then i ran it on the 1st meeting getting the so what is in the in the brackets in this window here is the utterances and the moment it can not make any differences betwe i mean you get the same value for every utterance that is exactly or every utterance that is sure and for the longer utterances i just look how often one of these words is in there and simply add it up so that should in principle favor longer utterances and yeah and so these numbers here one or 0 these here that is the dialog act labels whether it is if they are annotated as agreement they are not 0 here so here for those who get a v that get a very high score they are mostly no not 0 and some of those who are 0 are 0 are still very good like i i definitely agree it is a nice kind of agreement that we probably want to have and when you get further down yeah you see those with very low prob score also have no agreements here they are a lot of zeros again i think that is probably a good part if we had a slide b bar initially where we could dynamically adapt the threshold of what we yeah of what we display yeah so maybe it is just like maybe b it is just good to have like some generic component with 3 slide bars or something where we can relatively easily add a 4th one or something yeah you know and just like sort of all our fiddle factors yeah because obviously we will hide that in the presentation well it depends we we could like in some cases we could put it as a feature and say you know you can dynamically yeah but we do not want i do not think we want to have exposed to the user doing things like adding the threshold of which agreements we display like we would not call it threshold we would sort of like the granularity of decision or something like it decision so and yeah and every and everything above that threshold i could then add the utterance where it occurs just put a certain graphical item like a handshake or something cool yeah yeah yeah they that does look quite promising does not it yeah right right so it looks quite good i think so that is what i got for agreement then for disagreement i did also but it is a bit more difficult because there is so little disagreement yeah so there you s again see the list but it is much shorter and it is mu much worse so you can have happy faces and angry faces yes i was j it i was just thinking the same like it is it is so tempting smilies like we we will we will have yellow we will have yellow smilies and yellow angry faces that is here at the list of utterances it gets us for the 1st meeting ah beautiful did not somebody say that actually like a lot of agreements have have actual words which should suggest disagreement like yeah i mean i think perhaps that is why we have but rated so high here yeah yeah that makes sense so can you or think i think yeah yeah think is also rated higher in the non agreement than in the agreement yeah i mean there is some funny things so will that produce basically an agreement and a disagreement score for every dialog act yes yeah that is effectively what i am getting here so could you put them in the same format as the other data yeah it is just i mean it is it is exactly this thing but just i would i would just have to re scale this factor here and i will make us t to read it in and i mean this is the dialog act number so 0 right okay so i could probably i could probably read it from that file already yeah i can just give it to you in the format you want so it w it will just k my preferred would be dialog act number then you can put both the scores in one file and then score yeah it this was just for showing it huh you can put both the scores in one file if it makes it easier if they are corresponding ea for each thing yeah they should be right yeah so for each utterance you have one agreement and one disagreement score agreement and one disagreement yeah something like it okay so i will read that into i will make it part of the get measure thing so you can just get it with a flag using get measure okay yeah the one where we current so you know how 0 is t f i d f one is the well i have called it word importance but that is a really m misleading name yeah yeah yeah you know what if you can if you introduce like a sort of a static what is it called public static int so basically a constant like that is java is type of a constant and give them names like so 0 t d i d f one that probably makes the code a lot more readable for everybody who is playing around with it yeah probably you know you know what i mean so just like whatever 3 means agreement value and then i would just write something agreement and then it is easier to understand for both of us what is going on yeah okay one problem i used to have is with all the yeahs because i mean obviously they all write it the same so i was thinking perhaps at looking at the acoustic measures i have so for example at my f 0 deviation but yeah by now i just had a look at the yeah data and actually the average f 0 deviation is only slightly higher for the +ones than for the -ones i mean there is a p difference but it is probably not significant enough to really make use of it but i perhaps investigate some time still to i would also th yeah but i would also th the problem is yeah is occurring not only as an agreement but really frequently as like an encouragement as well is not it yeah yeah so and i th my my hypothesis was that if it is really yeah like agreement yeah it will sound different than if it than into if it is just a back channel yeah but you know what i think we should put the threshold for that one in the end quite high anyway so probably it does not make much of a difference because i think this thing but that has nothing to do with the threshold no but like because you have you have you do not have it only with yeahs you have it also with words that are much higher ranked you have the same problem like for example with yep is much higher ranked because it occurs less often in the training thing but i mean the fact that different ones have the same number in itself is not a problem is it no it is only if they are used in different contexts so if if for every yep you would be sure that it is an agreement than that would not be a problem so you are saying that you are not sure if every yep is an agreement or yes i b yeah i know that not every yep is an agreement because y this right yep and okay things are typically also back channels how what is the highest ranked one that that kind of problem occurs with cause if it is below about cause i saw there is ones up in the 80s was not there if it is below like 50 it is probably or exactly no they are all but one yeah but we would throw a lot away that are quite good cause we on the display we probably take quite high if you if you would set it off so it would only matter if it occurs on ones that are really highly ranked so over over how many different over which length is this now this is like so the 3rd column is the utterance where it occurs right yes okay so w i think we really do have to put the threshold quite quite high then because yeah well otherwise you would get icons all over the place yes cause it i was just i was just checking you know like how far apart are they so anyway and at the moment that is definitely not a good thing to display if they are like an average 1010 utterances apart or something yeah yeah so we want probably want to take a threshold at least of 50 or 60 just as a looking at that i think for this meeting there were what was it like ar around si or 90 annotated agreements or yeah ag agreement dialog acts to we probably will not want to display 90 so we would want to rate them as how important they were would not we i mean the b the best ones are definitely those on the 1st screen here yeah so it could just again i would say probably a good way of going about that question is to have a control which we can vary in the dis and then just sort of because that is in the end how it is going to be evaluated yeah and see how it turns out you know in the end it this is going to li i mean we are going to present it and say yeah so this our it shows disagreements and then we see what what looks good and what looks i think probably it looks credible if like an u if every sort of every topic segment has w yeah an agreement at the end yeah okay or like or like something in between the 3 and and 5 agreements but not more or probably maybe less but not much less and actually the i think there does not have to be one in everything yeah probably have to plot them cause some of them are also i mean this is just added by different speakers for example they are immediately following one another but it is just 2 speakers agreeing i think same for this one here for these 2 here so yeah we would probably want to merge ones that were very close into one i mean they they will be optically merged anyway yeah n yes but maybe in an expensive way or maybe in a stupid looking way though yeah yeah and we should probably make some logic when it displays it that says if there is ones very close together it just centers it among the yeah d i am yeah i was just thinking that it can act it can probably be done on display level yeah okay that was just what i yeah it is looking quite good though this one crashed mine just crashed i think which is bad it probably just it kept on playing and now reached some whatever i think it is always really funny that when you look at people is computers who do not use the computer much their desktop is really tidy and when you work with people who use it all the time there is stuff everywhere i onl only keep the stuff i actually need on it and then i clean it up every you know every so mine is like that as well yeah my god but actually this all here is n l s s d because it was data a that did not fit on my quota anymore okay so toby you wanted to have keywords for each topic segment or something yeah who would who provides the values for that no one yet yeah no one i think sort of the bottom line and which might well end up what it is going to be like is that we take the single highest ranked utterance and put that as a t as a title right yeah like realistically looking at this from the the time we have left to do this and stuff because what i do is having values for each segment at the moment so i could just extract the highest ones for each segment yeah that i do not know if that is good or bad there w it could be at least i could provide some value that could be good yeah yeah yeah maybe even on a s on a sing like i is that on a r like is that on a word basis would that be single words or would that be it it does not matter to me cause be check out what they would be like on a word basis i could do both okay maybe actually if it if there is one word which is very typical i mean it is probably some word like because that is like the only time that was spelled with 3 a and stuff i think that actually that might be a problem of the whole annotation that if they are not exactly consistent in how they descri transcribe stuff like that yeah same thing with the yoohoos and so on then we probably can not yeah cause that is when we are thinking sometimes like why is high but then probably it is the only time that was spelled with a dot at the end and stuff so but yeah like if if single w maybe we should download a dictionary and check our utterances before we listen to make sure that they are actually real words i c i have dictionaries do you see what i mean if it is just like i have arbitrarily long lists from the british national corpus of when t usually that do not include well let us say at least they do it consistently enough that i think you can filter them out fairly well yeah i mean see how it turns out if they look good then that is a good way of doing it as any i suppose yeah yeah so if you if like i mean if the single ha best one word for a for a segment is interesting that would be really good seem to be having actually what i think you should do is take the highest 3 or 4 and then just merge them together into one utterance use a random s it would not make any sense but it would give you an idea of what they are actually talking about if you see what i mean yeah kay we are going backwards here now it suddenly crashes and hangs especially when the segments are really long yeah yeah i mean that was that was sort of in the original of then the nice fancy drawings that we gave steven i mean that was part of it that sort of within the segment you had these sub segments and each of them had different words and whatever happened to our dreams yeah i do not think we are going to have time for that are there assignments no i do not think we have which is a shame cause it would have been cool yeah yeah are we going to have time to make it display like a whole archive of meetings or is it just going to be displaying single meetings and you will hold up different ones at the moment it does not really care how many meetings it is displaying poor man is solution is probably going to be to have a a list just draw a big black line on the borders i think 0 so j you you are think of loading them all at once well y you you can if you want to yeah it is yeah cause it ju it can display from any utterance to any other utterance it does not really yeah the see at the moment the dialog i d s just they start at 0 for each meeting they do not run continuously yeah do they ah but you w you would like them to run continuously yeah i would prefer them drawn continuously yeah yeah i can change that okay then you you will provide a file with all the mappings from the old ones to the even though we yeah just to change the index files as well kay okay because that way all we have to do to display ea more than one meeting is have a harder boundary drawn unique ones yeah yeah i think that like the doctor the drawing has to be changed anyway the it is not ideal at the moment yeah so if performance wise it generally works fine for the display it should not make much of a difference cause i think everything in the display code is just from the 1st until the last one displayed so if if the other performance is okay then we should really just load the whole thing in i am very dis one thing we will have to do is we want we would really want a different behavior if we clicked on a whole meeting than a segment so if there is more than one meeting displayed it should if you click even on one the segments of that meeting i think it should re initialize and display that just that meeting so i am not su i am not sure how easy that would be to do see that probably just means that the display sort of has an internal knowledge about what level of zoom it has so initially the display it just needs to know whether it is displaying more than one whole meeting does not it that is the only knowledge it would need yes yeah but anyway we can sort that out if we have time once we have got everything else yeah that is probably fairly simple to do actually if we do it in that most primitive way of just saying as long as you display more than one meeting yeah that will get s s sufficient to claim that we had implemented some kind of zoom as well yeah we then need some way of getting back up again in the hierarchy but that in the worst case it will just be a static sort of arrow up button in the right hand topper corner of the display yeah and you press that and then you are on the display the whole thing again but for that at the moment my display code needs that thing to work the 10 no that is working at the moment anyway the one that i just say give me 100 values over that length and then you are internally okay yeah it is not done the very clever way but it does work but yeah but that is okay as long as my display i was just thinking my display can not handle displaying a 1000000 different segments but now r no but it does not have to even now it does not have to okay well that is all details so dave can you just turn this what we have right now in basically do a code for ease on it do you want me to put a search in soon i will probably tonight just work on getting a frozen version that works consistently no 0 yeah yeah and if you could document it for me that is probably enough for me to add it in make unless you want to do it yes and if an yeah well we will work on it yeah but my code i have not documented the program manager class so though it is a bit hairy at the moment is not it if anyone feels that they have free time this is a joke huh one thing that would be convenient for all sorts of things and which i have not found out about it is how to do tool tips in an arbitrary way in in in swing graphic displays now there is simple ways of doing tool tips over a given element like if you have a button and you just give it a tool tip text but there is means of doing tool tips that just i c i put my mouse over let us say i put my mouse over this line here and then it would tell me something about what it is and that would be quite convenient for a lot of things because then we can sort of have a lot of information in the display in the in the way that just when the mouse is over it yes but i have not figured out how it works and that is something that probably so if everyone is ever bored or anyone feels that they can do that okay so probably what you would want to do is detect where the mouse is and change the default tool tip for that component yes but because it automatically displays at the correct position when you hover yeah but the the thing is it it is not simply an act of setting a string default tool tip there seems to be something about a tool tip object that you have to create and give it all sorts of different properties and stuff or yeah you might nor really want to be creating a new one every time you move the mouse yeah so anyway i have not looked much into that so if if anybody looks into that then let me know otherwise i will start looking into it as soon as i have time again but if anybody i will have a look through some of my java books cause it might be the sort of thing they have in there yeah i found some stuff about it on the web and it just looked to me like proper coding like i saw half page code samples which effectively just displayed a tool tip and i did not have the time at that point to get deeper into that so if anybody gets any good samples of that never anyways that is that it for now yeah is there all is that g version all in the no but i am going to i am going up appleton tower now and i have my external hard disk okay so i can cool so i will start working on that in like half an hour or something and it will be the yeah okay is there any dice machines in this building freely accessible for me can you show me where because i am actually not going to appleton tower at the moment yeah so then i do not have to go up and down actually no but i have to go there anyway and put a piece of paper on 2 machines where some stuff of mine is running on yeah and i think like i will just i will just kick in full time for n l s s d next week cause there is nothing i have to do then apart from cognitive modeling which i think i will just do in 5 hours 3 hours you take a look at that yeah but not too detailed so i might just not go for the last question because usually the last question is takes half the time and gives you 5% or something like okay yes we are going to talk about the evaluation next week we really need to get in contact with the other group and see if they want to do a joint evaluation yeah we could do that so you need to get their email addresses yeah i think they are on the n l s s d web page are they really at least their names and if we have their names then we can get their email that would be handy yeah we can get them okay so you do is sending them an email cause i was hoping that steve would mention it ian cause we have mentioned it to him so many times but he obviously has not no maybe he has mentioned it to them but they just never talked to us i mean we did not talk to them yeah so it is sort of coming as a shock to me now because i was sort of in this mindset like i 1st knew 0 there is a lot of time between the presentation and the report and then i knew 0 now the presentation is shifted but the correlation between those 2 facts the interdependencies there is some fancy planning language about that but that s there is the frame problem yes it is it is probably some version of the frame problem frame plob problem has not been clear to me no i think it is coming together not bad at the moment actually yeah by the way how long how much time do we have for the presentation do not know yeah probably as long as we need yeah but yeah i do not know yeah but more like 20 minutes or more like an hour half an hour or some well i reckon that it i can not see it going on for an hour to be honest yeah half an hour probably i reckon that probab yeah i mean if you if you if you present the components of what it it is based on then you will need more than 20 minutes to present it i guess but if you just present the functionality of the thing if you are not like i do not think this presentation is about the internal working it is question yeah then so yeah yeah i thought it was a demo basically so for a demo i think realistically since everything in this university sort of works in one hour slots and stuff yeah i think so if it is 2 groups then it probably it is going to be roughly half an hour ish half an hour yeah and like 10 minutes of that would be probably set up time as well 10 minutes of that will probably be set up time as well no why is th this is going to be so bad like there is going to be some small l i we maybe you should present it on your laptop cause we can be really sure it is running before we come yeah but the performance is really bad at the moment on that one though plus we would have to get the speech tools running on my laptop then would not we i could probably get my computer in if i could get someone to give me a lift i know a couple of people with cars yeah it may be a good idea to do that well let us let us see did it it could just be fluent on the laptop for all i know could we guarantee that it would work i mean like at the moment it is not too bad apart from i think the sound is stuttering and that is b i think because of the laptop but we can only really judge that once we have sound files yeah cause i would not need to bring a monitor or anything i will just need to bring the box i am pretty sure i could nick a lift off someone how fast is yours vera my computer it does not have linu linux so well net would run on anything but or j builder yes in fact you will not even you should not even need either as long as you got java installed no that is true yeah i have been able to run it without yeah yeah that is true yeah virtual machine should be fine but but but that all relies on finding some way of getting the speech tools to do their job 0 crap i forgot about that yeah see that is cause that is the thing like that would rely on i just do not think it is a good idea to run the speech tools in cygwin maybe in cygwin no but cygwin should run the java as well no no no no d wherever this is going it does not sound good we can he can use my laptop as sort of like as a as a server as a sound server a sound server but that would still mean that we have to get the speech tools running on this no you know i think i mean the way java works is that t i think it will run on on their dice machine if we are doing it in if we well we should definitely test it the day before hopefully yeah yeah yeah i am sure he will let us test it out before we do it yeah kay so dave are you going to make something primitive that people can load their data in yep i will do that today and i will yeah i will make a script to run it and put that in the group directory ok and i will send around the email when it is done yeah yeah i am not i am not a 100% sure what needs to be changed to make it work with the to make it not crash if it does not have a sound card there is there is quite a bit you have to comment out for that which is stupid because i it will be the bit where it creates the clock or is there stuff in the display as well yeah the yeah no but the thing is the display calls methods which probably expect some so i think if the display itself is not doing anything clocky so as long as in the main pr in the program manager everything clocky is is removed okay but i w it might be worthwhile to check how much work it would be to do it over a flag cause then in the end i cause otherwise we always have 2 code versions and people might be changing the wrong one well it really we should not even need a flag you should be able to do it with exceptions i mean that is this is kinda not exact case that exceptions are made for really okay okay yeah that is true i just i know that like if you do not do it with the exceptions crashes that is what figured out like if you do not have a sound card it crashes even if you do not use sound yeah yeah okay cool yeah dave see in the program manager do you have a a method to like set the current i d so it will update the display cause that is what i am going to need when i am like getting search results 0 no it is going to have to do something a bit more complicated than that what it will have to do is de register everything as time handlers and then update and then re register them i think the display has some method for it right i am not actually like for the program manager then to call i am not actually a 100% sure what it is called but the display has some method where you tell it where to start and where to end yeah or there is going to be something yeah well as far as i have got at the moment i have made a results class that has got like the i d and the stuff okay have you got a component for displaying lists of matches cause that would be pretty useful yeah yep cool i am well i am working on it okay yeah i mean it is not it is not too hard to do all you have to do is de register everything that is a time handler 1st before you add the stuff in right but depends what behavior we want do we want when you click on a search result we definitely want that one to appear in the summary well actually dave da dave dave dave i yeah and it might not be there yeah i know i was thinking that might be a problem okay no sorry i have i was wrong i was thinking it is exactly the same thing that happens when we say set select no it does not but actually a set selection does everything you want sort of yeah it sets if you look at set select that is essentially what you want to do yeah no but set selection does not update the display though because well it it does not tell the display which part to di which part to to display because the display has just called set selection to does it not yeah but it w it does not matter because if it is jumped to in the end text area if then your display would the the line will jump will not it yeah but that only works that at the moment is not done through our system that is just done because then the time changes so actually a time change would automatically put the position of the display in the right play yeah no but that is not a good idea because that could well be outside the displayed area then and also the real time and play time stuff would change yeah so so we yeah we need to re initialize the display then do not we yeah no i think the display has a method for that ready which is called anyway the display has something useful for that something which probably starts with the word set yeah you can set the window start utterance and window end utterance okay but yeah we need to do something to ensure that the search result is in the summary that is created yeah so may we probably want a different summary constructor that takes an an additional argument of an i d and it will that w utterance will always be in the summary alternatively there is always the method of just giving it a really high score as a hack you know like just as long as you then do not well probably people would not know yeah i suppose but the trouble is that still does not guarantee that it will appear because if you get enough of them that are high scored it prefers the 1st ones it sees well you could you could put one one when the other ones only go up to the one yeah i suppose but no it is it is not it is not a nice way i am just saying w you could you could when it is when you are doing a search you could just like sort of zoom back out so you got the full text for that segment or that meeting rather than a summary cause that is maybe what you would want if you were a user maybe yeah probably that actually true that if you are doing a search you are usually not interested in a condensed way but in the in the full thing anyway yes you could provide that option but you could d you can achieve the same effect and you would otherwise it would be too complicated to cope with the thi system if you have to re adjust it to a different zoom level to get better results yeah probably the way to handle that would be to make a summary that is the same length as the selection and that would ensure that the search term came up i mean it would behave strangely in the eyes of the user yeah yeah alright yeah i think proportion like i even though i am i am always getting myself confused about this but i think sort of making the summary length thing generally proportion like as a as a proportional factor of of its original length is a good way of going about it yeah because anything with absolute length is sort of stupid because that means that a long long segment gets to one of its length and another one gets to exactly the same length and stuff so if we are doing it by a proportion then just having one0 or something makes it very easy to always end up at the actually that is what i have currently like the current code just takes a 10th of the summary length yeah exactly yeah so yeah but we will have that slider obviously and that is the type of slider that we can actually leave in and like show cause that is that is functionality yeah cause that is very useful thing yeah that is sort of like your level of the 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key combination everything went wrong and i think i will be able to do it just fine on the screen so that will probably keep me from pointing on my screen which i usually it might just be at this point like there is sometimes a point in loading not usually that long well let us see anyway so let us just see what happens in the end we did get it so now see now see now yeah yeah so now i am having a complete mess of like split split screens and stuff i think last time yes but that is not what we wanted so but i think if i this is a logout command and usually it resets this amazing strange color combinations i see in front of me at the moment yeah we somehow always get it working by a different ways every time so that kept us like basically from doing anything else product for quite some time in the last days because we were hunting down that stupid era i got it fixed in the last whatever one hour or something but so at the moment the program is sort of in between working or not working because we have done lots of changes to try what the error was dave i think actually that the summary at the current moment is not working 100% correct but that could be because of the input data it seems to just take the 1st utterances more or less like if you 1st if you read through the summaries they read suspiciously fluent like as in people is questions and answers and then if you plot them on the screen where they are at the moment moment they seem to 0 which data you use as well because if you use the data where they are all really high it does prefer one from the beginning because it is a perfect so maybe that is where the problem is coming from but i will check it out yeah this is when you start shifting around your laptop to think that it gets somehow less sloped on the screen so i am not really sure what this meeting is about to be honest i am going to show this just what we have at the moment but it is not going to look very different from what we had last time do not ask me what happened to the promise that you will get your script where you can use your own stuff because actually that was sort of ready but then we started trying to get something more working and then we got into big problems so at the moment i mean again we should be at a state where people can load their own i have got time now until the next couple days already i was just too busy last week the thing is at the moment it is just really bad for me but from monday on i can just do 24 7 for this one until it is due but until monday it is going to be really bad like i can probably help people if they have problems with getting what we have running now but i see okay so i will just start it up what we have just started up what we have now and then we can talk about what different people have and stuff i thought it is creeping out of your screen does not look great does it eek yeah it does not but sometimes you have to take whatever you get and then just see how public can see it that is really weird just like creeping over so it is perhaps in the meantime talk about the numbers we assign to the dialog acts because i did not know that you left out those who do not have words so i just extracted the actual dialog numbers and the problem is it is perhaps more dangerous to get mistaken with all those numbers and not knowing why things happen if we just leave out numbers and make new as long as the key correspond then yeah sure but i mean for all those measures that are based on words i can automatically just for those those where it is nothing but and those dialects like 33 in the 1st meeting they have a duration even though they do not have a word so for my other measures i get them and i do not i mean i would have to look for every single right program that looks for every single number and does the mapping for that it would be easier if there is a reference file with the actual real id and the corresponding yes yeah there are those index nails already is there some other yeah what is that yeah in the rotx index directly yeah and it might be marked between the different ids so that is all the problem basically yeah i just wonder why do you think it is necessary at all to do that because the whole program works on them being numbered at the moment yeah and it is a problem if there is no no there would be a lot of work there is really no extra feature game to but actually i think there is something in the audio should not there if there is a even though there is not a word i think in the audio there will be something at that point because it has a duration what do you think it could appear in the zombie if it is something in the audio it is just like a noise and then we do not want it and then we do not want it yeah i do so you cut it out yeah they have been cut out the ones that do not have any words i suppose would that not have met summaries sorry i am jumping in would that not have met summarization anyway even if they are in like would the ones that have no words and then not have really low information density or something right i do not know because the thing is it depends if we want to ever display the whole thing at one because you would reckon that you could leave them in and they would never show up in a summary anyway if you left them in it would not affect the way the program works yeah i mean why do you have a special hand in for those well i do not in the program it is just they are not in the raw it is just because they would have a blank way in it it seems like i could put them back in yeah it is just a question i wanted to realize yeah would not you think that if we just write the way that it displays everything it still leaves out like if we give those a special information density idea or if you just put us yes something like that and then just make sure that summary even in the in the most summarized mode just never puts them in it might be a problem for me at the stage right now because i based everything on not having those actually the tf on the f in yeah my topic so you might like white things and what i also what i also did was having 2 people annotate the 1st meeting and so they did not annotate the spaces and everything would mess up i think if i had spaces for the new values so when i wanted a correlation with would not work anymore okay so maybe you should leave them out there okay shall we take a quick look at the current system what i could do is work further with what i have got now and then just when i have my the final formula already applied to the new stuff so by now how did you assign the dialog act number did you take the one you found in the xml file and just put it there or did you no my tf idf is based on columns data i end up with the same line okay you end up with his yeah it is actually it is jumping now sorry yeah no as you know it is summary is probably okay but it does yeah it did summarize just now it is just it is summarizing stupidly but at least it is jumping is it still the old old yes and in fact at the moment i do not even know which of the 2 i am summarizing over do you know are we i do not know which one it is at the moment so at the moment the configuration is that word importance file is test 3 and td idf file is test i have just switched them around so i have no clue what we are actually doing at the moment those names in this lead where the tfidf is completely mislead especially since i have just switched them around anyway but that is okay by the way i read a paper which makes an important point about combining 2 things of that type it is basically it is going all about this fancy concept of culture geometric mean which effectively just means multiplying them but i have some good information about different ways how you can sort of weight 2 different factors because it is like it is for something very similar somebody who tried to solve a very similar problem where they also had 2 factors of the one to weigh them together and there is like a good justifiable reason and why we should do in a certain way and how we can then with a simple parameter adjust how much one ways how much the other ways so there is something for just for putting them together in a relatively simple way but still a way that we can sort of justify we can quote stuff on that yeah shall we no it is multiplying them and like putting them one over the power of something and the other over -one one minus the power of something and that sort of and they have plotted some graphs about where they show like one going from 0 to the one and the other going 0 to one and like how the landscape changes how the parameter changes how it works so it is quite good yeah i have seen that before so that is probably seeing that we are probably not going to go into any whatever base blah blah blah blah about combining them that is probably what we go at this is still not ideal at the moment david it is sort of it is overrunning it is okay so at the moment we are that far that if i now click onto a segment here it is all working like it should be yeah it is just right sorry i just resize it a bit where is that going yes the values are sort of hard coded for the screen sizes and dice and my screen is smaller so let us see i was a stupid user and was clicking on this segment we probably have to make the segment lines a lot bigger so then i did i get a new summarization yeah i did not actually see so i can let me click a different one yeah so you see it is a different text and you see it is running through it and you will see the indicator in where we are is jumping so it is skipping stuff now i do not think the summary at the moment is what we wanted to be seeing the words like 0 and exactly exactly right sure this is again probably the opposite of what we want so it is probably some value that you have to like divide by one divide by the value or something but having said though it is picking out some interesting stuff like we are looking at atlas you would expect it at score a quantity yes but also every other word in that sentence we should look at our probably in your list of 50 least important words in this universe so yes it is probably just because if you look at the other one like this is just their best sentence for like having function words in a row sort of in every other i mean this one is sort of the developing a big infrastructure maybe it is just doing it randomly at the moment i do not know but we have some summary working and has a good basis to start from if i promise now that you will get something where you can pet your own data and it is sort of ringing a bit hollow i am surprised that it all actually worked because i have been working like incomplete versions that have not worked for a long time yeah and i see it all comfy i think yeah still it might be having some problem i think this one overran just before so we might still have some problem here that it is not stopping at the end but so dave can you make the promise even i am not making the promise realistically that the girls will very soon get yeah i will do the 1st thing i will do is make a load box for selecting okay yeah and a script that sets the class file so at the moment i have hard coded it to just taking 110th of the number of utterances which were in the original selection but we will have to that yeah it actually gives you an error if you put it to 20 because there is some things in there which are shorter than 20 and if you select those then it is having a we need to add from sanity checkering yeah but i think like a proportional one is probably no bad idea i mean an absolute length is sort of a bit strange because that means that some utterances will not be changed in length anyway we had that discussion before and i am confused myself about what i think about it so the fact that this is going on beyond that green line here is something that is not ideal but that is something we have to sort out but this is working in general does anyone have a general overview over the whole time issue like as in what date is it to do what day do we have to have this presented what day of the week is that and issues like that so the presentation is now she is exactly in 2 weeks 2 weeks from today okay one week from today i shall hear the freedom ring from the hills and then everything and shall then throw myself into new slavery i think we should start to think about evaluation by now i mean if you want to have some people we do not need it about you as to a presentation yeah but it is just 3 days between the presentation and the 0 because it is moved back would not it ah no really yeah yeah i can write people in to doing a few people at least do you think we are going to have claims yeah i think we should take the time because i think it will be i think it will be as long as we design it beforehand i think we can probably manage to actually do it in 3 days after but we also have to write the thing in that time writing the report will not be so bad how long is it expected to be i do not know that is 50% of the mark i know but if everyone like if everyone is managing 3 pages for their bit then that is going to be that that is a big report then yeah but evaluation we should probably write some user documentation so i bet that would get smart you think yeah they would love that i just like you know or like integrated tooltips that would be visible yeah that is what they think yeah i have got a basic self washing it has got a user interface have you java docked it no and also where is it it is still in my directory but the code version in the group directory is not the right yeah i have not been using that yeah i have just been taking the class files from your directory having said that dave we could probably probably like if we want we could probably go back to the group directory and just use this trick it really seems to be all about starting in the directory but i mean if the 2 of us such as work when it does make a difference because i have already mounted your directory now so okay we should wait until you have it ready for you guys to use and we will put it back in the group directory so i will try and do that to i have got time to go as long as they run into the problem so i see it taking 2 lines how about the summarization again you wanted to base it on sentence length as well and i have got a sentence length incorporated into my importance measure at the moment so no in that case it is just i do not know it would be fine i mean but if we do it twice it would not make too much sense yeah i am not sure how much should be done in the program because i do not know what if it is just multiplying 2 numbers it can be done in the program because then we can because what we could do is have a slide bar where we can adjust this value actually if you can figure out a way like how basically a general way because there is at least 2 points in which we are interested in that how we can just have a slide bar which we can read and write which is in a frame of that type it would be good it should not be difficult should it i mean should just be yeah but it might be more different let us see you could if you are lucky you probably have to extend that class extend that class and then you can work with that value but if you are unlucky it might be quicker to just write a very simple swing component which is just a just a bar you can just add it to the panel like what i bet that is a true new component that little slider and made it to a camera yeah yeah so because we basically would be good to have 2 different ones to play around with one for controlling the length of the summary and another one for for the merging factor if we do it that way with the geometric yeah yeah it is just a single formula effectively yeah it is just a single formula effectively yeah how is the audio thing going you have probably not had time to work on that it seems that at the moment a lot of the stuff that has to be done is sort of at the moment i am saying 0 dave can you do that so that is not ideal to be honest i did nothing really on it i have got time today tomorrow and probably friday okay because i think i mean the audio is a in the end the audio is a very important component of it just because it is going to look stupid if we have everything working but just it is just annoying because i need to do that on a dice machine can not have any compile under their speech tools because that would be sort of that would be sort of a nice way to sit at home and have it forward the sound sound like forward the sound at the lowest bit great to you i mean seeing that it is over broadband it is forwarding the graphics quite okay it would probably like broadband wise bandwidth wise probably work out i am not sure is it can de sand or not but it is probably not a simple thing but what i can be is i am pretty confident that it will just be writing a script and that it will just go as long as i can test the script like once it is working fine i can just make it return done and stuff so it works on a home machine are you not creating files anyway like sort of real files yes so so that you can do in a diast machine independent of well actually i know what i can do i can change the script so if i need my one at home i can just add ssh stuff in to evoke the sound tools on the from the ice and they come to that one problem with sshing in general is that the machine that like the only gateway machines they hate you for doing anything on them and there is no simple way i have not found one to directly in a single step sort of ssh and then ssh again actually i guess if you put ssh and ssag you know you can give a command right after where there is so if that command is ssh again and if you that would require that you have all your key files set correctly which i have not because it always fucks up on my system maybe if you get that working then you should be able to directly go into another machine yeah if it comes to it i will just install net beams and stuff in my unit between the network and that version of the sound to have relatively soon would be good i think well to be honest i will not be it primitive in the queensland okay okay hopefully in theory at least certainly okay good so to come back to the problem we had before so the reason why the summary did not work well in the last one it works well now is because based on the bottom data the data is so homogeneously high in its importance rating importance rating that it just sort of then everything else being equal took the 1st ones more or less but now it is working better because now it is not a much more evenly distributed i wonder if we should do something like dropping the bottom 3rd and remapping the lowest remaining one to 0 the more the most professional way of doing it would be to map them according to the standard deviation because that word would automatically always it is sort of like the problem is it is more calculation expensive and slightly more complicated even though it is actually like in terms of calculation it is not much have you ever like you know generally about standard deviation i am not usually to do that it is a very simple formula it is basically just whatever the average of mean square differences from the mean or something which the problem with it is that generally you 1st have to get the mean and only once you have the mean you know what there is a way of calculating it in one go yeah i have derived that myself like i did not find it so i did it myself and it took me a day with the formula but then i am slow at maths so the good thing about that would be that if you simply say that whatever one standard deviation below the mean is 0 and one standard deviation above the mean is one or 2 standard deviations or something then whatever the data is like it would always normalize yeah that is probably quite a good idea yeah it is not the symbols but that is the most professional way i can think about it that would indirectly also drop stuff i mean that would drop whatever is below so if you find that formula that would be good otherwise i can see if i can still understand like i did it in my program it was really stupid like the standard deviation formula just requires you to have the mean initially and that makes some things exactly twice as computationally expensive and there is a way of doing it cumulatively yeah i can not remember it i can not i know there is one so yeah so that is one possibility the way of doing that so it could be it could be fine running over the data twice probably that is just in the loading stage right yeah that should actually be fine especially in the worst case we just introduced a small hourglass but anyway we are only going to present this once and we can probably just like sort of start it up before the presentation starts so we should not at all be worried about it worried about it is actually quite beautiful if you want a program only to run once and only a part of it you do not worry if it crashes afterwards it wastes all the resources if it formats the hardest can be in anyway i am rambling yeah i will never close it it is a process no it does not it does not i changed it i just they used to not have to close the process when you click the cross you would forget that that means that you would start it 15 times over and have 15 zombies running does anyone know anything about which dice machines have sound cards and how to find them because the thing is we can like this at the moment is working because it has a sound card the interesting thing is that because of the structure of this it is not enough to just say well if you do not have a sound card you do not have sound at least i think that is what i remember our problem was that yeah it refuses to load the clock yeah so i have worked around that there is ways i think to get around it but the problem is so you basically we have to have 2 code versions then one for sound card and one for non soundcard machines to test it on because you have to change all sorts of other things if you do not have a sound card so there is not a simple way to just tell which ones the sound card machines are and just to use sound card machines that makes it really quite difficult for us if you want to test our stuff and 1st have to fight for a computer no but i guess i mean if you just if you trust in dave is summary for the audio just putting all these stuff things into sound than having a written summary yeah i just care for the written one does that work without the song yeah so the only thing you do not get is the clock so i think they are really the easiest way is if we just make a sound card and a non sound card version of it because i do not think we should bother because we will run it on the sound card version yeah but then that means that the girls can not test it that is the problem like yes they can all that happens is it would be to load the clock you still get the display yes but without the clock you do not have well actually you are right it does not strictly have to do any movement so you can still click on the segment and that will still work yeah but we have to comment stuff out for that i think like at the moment if you click on a segment it automatically sets the whole clock thing going and stuff so we have to comment out stuff that is what i am saying that there is we could make it a flag could not be we could just make it a runtime flag and then make a few ifs and say if there must be a way of detecting the clock loaded yes there is there is try and set something on the clock and use try and catch and then if you can not the exception set the flag yeah so anyway so that is something we should probably do in one way or another because it seems just that the overwhelming majority of the ice machines do not have sound card yeah okay we want to have a look at the aggrimms at the agreement and disagreement data that i worked on last week or do you have anything more on this no nothing much to talk about this so apart from like a search box and the similarity thing once that kicks off this is more less in the end like this is very similar to what our product will look like in the end seeing that realistically with a given time frame we are not going to do amazing new things from now on so i have been hopefully perhaps my list of agreements perhaps my list of agreements somewhere list of agreement yeah if we find them good enough we wanted to provide that an extra list saying probably agreement yeah i think it would be good in the display to annotate them in the display yeah for example yeah yeah we could just make not just yet but that should that is actually that is probably the only thing i can say i can do this week because that should be i mean i will do it in an inefficient way i will effectively sort of go through all the segments and check if they clicked on that i think they what we should do is that that time click of the clock i think that is changeable and i think we should probably increase that at the moment it is 0 one seconds and that is just there is actually there is some background noise when it is working and i think that it is because it is like doing so much every time i do not get that on the screen yeah it is probably because i am not sure if you have the version with the display where the display is actually updating up here when it is moving on so i mean yes it is because my display is programmed inefficiently but i think with a given time constraints it is probably easy instead of making a very efficient display code to just make the time make the clock whatever 05 seconds or something do you want to monitor as long as you can skip more accurately than the time that is fine otherwise you might risk cutting it well if i can skip more accurately then like if you want to jump to a point you need to be able to jump more accurately then half 2nd like half 2nd you miss word i am are we still with that idea that we want to display bars for the individual speakers yeah and also it is a bit small but i do not know why that is 0 yeah i can see it that is probably because it is coming from my resolution and it is you have a much higher resolution yeah perhaps because it is white screen or something yeah okay what you see here in this part is is here no mouse yeah there it is yeah here is a list of the most important or yeah most probable words that occur in agreement so the number in the 1st brackets is so i run it on all the bed bmr and bro meetings to learn it so the number in the 1st brackets is how often it occurred in the utterances that were annotated as agreements by the dialog act agreement and the number in the 2nd bracket is how much it occurred in the rest and the 1st number in every line is how much more often that is per same same 10 times same text length so the words that it gives look quite good i think it is exciting perfect true interesting exactly correct super and so on and then i ran it on the 1st meeting getting the so what is in the in the bracket in this window here is the utterance is the utterances and at the moment it can make any differences between i mean you get the same value for every utterance that is exactly or every utterance that is sure and for the longer utterances i just look how often one of these words is in there and simply added up so that should in principle favor longer utterances and so these numbers here one or 0 these here and that is the dialog act labels whether it is if they are annotated as agreement they are not 0 here so here for those who get a very high score they are mostly not 0 and some of those who are 0 are still very good like i definitely agree it is a nice kind of agreement that we probably want to have and when you get further down you see those with very low score also have also have no agreements yeah there again i think that is probably a good part if we had a slide bar initially where we could dynamically adapt the threshold of what we yes so maybe it is just like maybe it is just good to have like some generic component with 3 slide bars or something where we can relatively easily add a 4th one or something you know and just like sort of all our fiddle factors obviously we will hide that in the we will hide that in the presentation well it depends we could like in some cases we could put it as a feature and say you know you can dynamically like we do not want i do not think we want to have it sort of the threshold of which we would not call it threshold but it would sort of like the granularity of decision or something like it so decision black of her and everything above that threshold i could then at the utterance where it occurs just put a certain like a handshake or something cool yeah right so it looks quite good i think so that is what i got for agreement then for disagreement i did also but it is a bit more difficult because there is so little disagreement yeah so i again see the list but it is much shorter and it is much yes i was just thinking the same like it is so tempting we have yellow smiley and yellow angry faces ah beautiful and that is here the list of atrances it gets us for the 1st meeting did not somebody say that actually a lot of agreements have actual words which suggests disagreement yeah i mean i think perhaps that is why we have butt right it is so high here yeah so can you well i think i think yeah think is also right it higher in the non agreement than in the agreement i mean there is some funny things so would that produce basically an agreement and a disagreement score for every dialog act yes yeah that is effectively what i am getting here yeah it is just i mean it is exactly this thing but just i would just have to rescale this factor here and i mean this is the dialog act number so yeah i can just give it to you in the format you want so i would just and then score yeah this was just for showing it you can put both the scores in one file if they are corresponding it for each thing yeah they should be right so for each utterance you have one agreement and one disagreement score so i will read that into i will make it part of the get measure thing you can just get it with a flag you can get measure okay yeah the one where we can so you know how 0 is the idf one is the what i have called it word in you know what if you can if you introduce like a sort of a static what is it called public static so basically a constant like that is javascript a constant give them names so 0 t d d f one that probably makes the code a lot more readable for everybody who is staying around with it you know what i mean so just like whatever 3 means agreement value and then i just write something agreement and then it is easier to understand for both of us what is going on one problem i still have is with all the years because i mean obviously they are all rated the same so i was thinking perhaps at looking at the acoustic measures i have so for example at my f 0 deviation but yeah by now i just had a look at the year data and actually the average f 0 deviation is only slightly higher for the +ones than for the next -ones i mean there is a difference but it is probably not significant enough to really make use of it but i would also i would also but i would also yeah it is occurring not only with agreement but really frequently is like an encouragement as well yeah so and my hypothesis was that if it is really yeah like agreement it will sound different than if it is just the back channel but you know what i think we should put the threshold for that one in the end quite high anyway so it probably does not make much of a difference because i think this thing but that has nothing to do with the threshold because you have you do not have it only with yes you have it also with words that are much higher ranked you have the same problem like for example with yep is much higher ranked because it of course there is often in the training thing but i mean the fact that different ones have the same number in itself is not a problem is it no it is only if they are used in different contexts so if for every yep you would be sure that it is an agreement and that would not be a problem so you are saying that you are not sure if every yep is an agreement or yes i know that not every yep is an agreement because there is a problem this right yep and okay things are typically also backchannies and what is the highest rank one that kind of causing the cursor because if it is below about because i saw those ones up in 18 is not there it is low like 50 it is probably like that too they are all yeah but we would throw a lot away that are quite good if you would set it it would probably take quite high so it only matters it matter that occurs on one that is really highly around so over how many different over which length is this now this is like so the 3rd column is the ad transfer it occurs right yes okay so i think we really do have to put the threshold quite high then because otherwise you would get icons away yes because i was just checking you know like how far apart are they and at the moment that is definitely not a good thing to display if they are like an average 10 utterances apart or something yeah so we probably want to take a threshold at least in 50 or 60 if we are looking at that i think for this meeting there were what was it like around 90 annotated agreements or yeah agreement dialog acts i mean the best one of the 1st screen here i would want to rate them unfortunately yeah i mean the best ones are definitely those on the 1st screen here so again i would say probably a good way of going about that question is to have control which we can vary in the distance and then just sort of because that is in the end how it is going to be evaluated you know in the end this is kind of like i mean we are going to present it and say yeah so this is our it shows disagreements and then we see what looks good and what looks i think probably looks credible like if every sort of every topic segment has yeah or like something in between 3 and 5 agreements but not more probably maybe less but not much less and actually i think that does not have to be one in everything probably have to plot them because some of them are also i mean this is just added by different speakers for example they are immediately following one another but it is just 2 speakers agreeing i think same for this one here so yeah we probably want to merge ones that are very close i mean there will be optically merged anyway yes but maybe in an expensive way maybe in a stupid looking way though we should probably make some logic when it displays it when it displays it yeah if one is very close together yeah it is just thing that can probably be done on display level yeah okay that is just just okay this one crashed mine just crashed it is just bad it probably just kept on playing and now reached some whatever i think it is always really funny when you look at people is computers you do not use a computer their desktop pretty tidy i only get it all the time and stuff everyone i only keep the stuff i actually need on it and then i clean it up every you know my god but actually this all here is an ssd because it was data that did not fit on my quota anymore you wanted to have keywords for you topic segment or something yeah i think sort of the bottom line in which might well end up what it is going to be like is that we take the single higher strength utterance and put that as a title like realistically looking at this from the time we have left to do this and stuff because what i do is having values for each segment at the moment so i could just extract the highest ones for each segment i do not know if that is good but it could be at least i could provide some value yeah yeah maybe even on a single like is that on a word basis would that be single words or would that be it does not matter to me check out what they would be like on a word basis maybe actually if there is one word which is very typical i mean it is probably somewhere like because that is like the only time that air was spelled 3 a and stuff i think that actually that might be a problem of the whole annotation that if they are not exactly consistent in how they describe stuff like that we probably same thing with the uhoo is and so on yeah because that is what we were thinking sometimes like why is high but then probably it is the only time that was spelled with a dot at the end and stuff so but yeah like if if single maybe we should download a dictionary and check our utterances before we to make sure they are actually real words i have dictionaries if it is just like i have arbitrarily long lists from the british national corpus of when usually do not include well let us say at least they do it consistently enough that i think you can filter them out fairly well yeah i mean see how it turns out it is very good and that is a good one you are doing it is only a yeah so if if like i mean if the single best one word for a segment it is interesting that would be really good seem to be having actually what i think you should do take the highest 3 or 4 and then just merge into one after you use it would make any sense but it would give you what they are actually talking about if you see what i mean if you do one room yeah we are going backwards you know it suddenly crashes and hangs especially when the segments are really long yeah yeah i mean that was sort of in the original content and the nice fancy drawings that we gave steven i mean that was part of it that sort of within a segment you had these sub segment and each of them had different words and whatever happened to our dreams yeah other assignment no i do not think we have which is a show which it will include yeah yeah we are going to have time to make it display like a whole archive of meeting was it just going to be displayed single meetings and you look at the line it does not really care how many meetings is displayed poor man is solution is probably going to be to have a list just draw a big black line on the borders i think 0 so you are thinking of loading them all at once well you can if you want to take yeah yeah it can display from any action any other options it does not really yeah you see at the moment the dialog ids they start at 0 each meter if you do not run continuously yeah but you light them to run continuously yeah even though we you will provide a file with all the mappings yeah from the out ones to the okay because that way all we have to do all we have to do for this way more than not meeting is having a harder boundary drawing yeah i think that like the drawing has to be changed anyway it is not the idea at the moment yeah so if performance wise it generally works fine for the display it should make much of difference because i think everything in the display code is just from the 1st until the last one displayed so if the other performance is okay then we should really just load the whole thing in one thing we will have to do is we want we would really want a different behavior if we click on a whole meeting in a segment so if there is more than one meeting displayed it should if you click even on one of the segment to that meeting i think it should really rise and display that just that meeting i am not very highly that is just to do see that probably just means that the display sort of has an internal knowledge about what level of zoom it has so initially the display it just needs to know whether it is displaying more than one whole meter and then that is the only knowledge it would be yes yeah yeah yeah that is probably fairly simple to do actually if you do it in that most primitive way of just saying as long as you display more than one meeting that gets sufficient to claim that we are going to note with some kind of viewing as well yeah we then need some way of getting back up again in the hierarchy but that in the worst case it will just be a static sort of arrow up button in the right hand top of the corner of the display and you press that and then you are on the display the whole thing again but for that at the moment my display code needs that thing to work the one 0 no that is working at the moment anyway the one that i just say give me 100 values over that length and then you are internally yeah it is not done the very clever way okay but that is okay as long as my display i was just thinking my display can not handle displaying a 1000000 different segments but nobody does not have to even now it does not have to okay well that is all details so dave can you just turn this what we have right now basically do a code for each on it do you want me to put a cell cham soon i will probably tonight just work on getting a frozen version that works consistently if you could document it for me that is probably enough to me to add it in unless you want to do it and if any i have not documented the program manager class so it is a bit hairy anyone feels that they have free time that show one thing that would be convenient for all sorts of things in which i have not found out about it is how to do tool tips in an arbitrary way in swing graphic displays now there is simple ways of doing tool tips over a given element like if a button you just give it a tooltip text but there is means of doing tooltips that just i put my mouse over let us say i put my mouse over this line here and then it would tell me something about what it is and that would be quite convenient for a lot of things because then we can sort of have a lot of information in the display in the way that you have to be the mouse is over it but i have not figured out how it works and that is something that probably so if everyone is ever bored or if anyone feels that they can do that okay so probably what you would want to do is is detect where the mouse is and change the default key kit for that component yes but it automatically displays at the correct position when you hover yeah but the the thing is it it is not simply an act of setting a string default tooltip there seems to be something about a tooltip object that you have to create and give it all sorts of different properties and stuff you might not really want to be creating in the other so anyway i have not looked much into that so if anybody looks into that then let me know otherwise i will start looking into it as soon as i have time again but if anybody i will have a look through some of my jarfax because it might be a sort of thing that happened yeah i found some stuff about it on the web and it just looked to me like proper coding like i saw half page code samples which effectively just displayed a tooltip and i did not have the time at that point to get deeper into that so if anybody gets any good samples of that anyway is that it for now is that version all in there no but i am going up up with an tower now and i have my external hard disk so i can so i will start working at like half now and then it will be yeah yeah is there any dice machines in this building really accessible for me can you show me where because i am actually not going to eppleton tower at the moment so i do not have to go up and down actually no but i have to go there anyway and put a piece of paper on 2 machines where some stuff of mine is running on yeah and i think like i will just kick in full time for nlssd next week because there is nothing i have to do then apart from cognitive modeling which i think i will just do in 5 hours 3 hours you take a look at that yeah but not too detailed i might just not go for the last question because usually the last question is that takes half the time and gives you 5% or something okay yes we are going to talk about the evaluation next week we really need to get in contact the other group and see if they want to do a joint evaluation yeah good luck we need to get that email address yeah picked on the you know steve webb i know really their names and their names yeah they do send a genie because i was hoping that steve had mentioned it for him i was obviously happened maybe he has mentioned it to them but they just never talked to us we did not talk to them it is sort of coming as a shock to me now because i was sort of in this mindset i 1st knew 0 there is a lot of time between the presentation and the report and then i knew 0 now the presentation has shifted but the correlation between those 2 facts interdependencies there is some fancy planning language about that there is a frame problem yes it is probably some version of the frame brainplop problem has been clear to me well i think it is coming together not bad at it i mean actually by the way how long how much time do we have for the presentation probably as long as we do yeah but more like 20 minutes or more like an hour well i reckon that it is i reckon that yeah i mean if you present the components or what is it based on then you will need more than 20 minutes to present it yes but if you just present the functionality of the thing if you are not i do not think this presentation is about the internal working so yeah so for a demo i think realistically since everything in this university so it works in one hour slots and stuff so if it is 2 groups then it is going to be roughly a half an hour ish and like 10 minutes of that before you set up time before you set up time as well no why is this is going to be so bad like there has got to be some small maybe you should present it on your laptop because we can be really sure it is running before yeah but the performance is really bad at the moment on that one though plus we would have to get the speech tools running on my laptop i would have to get my computer and if i could get it down to get it on my laptop yeah maybe let us see it could just be fluent on the laptop for all i know i mean like at the moment it is not too bad apart from i think the sound is stuttering and that i think because of the laptop we can only really judge that once we have sound files i do not need to be in a monitor or anything i just need to be in the box i am pretty sure i think i am not the laptop how fast is you all there my computer it does not have linux well net pins would run run on anything but or j dada yes you should not even you should not even need either no that is true yeah actually machine should be fine but but but that all relies on finding some way of getting the speech tools to do their job 0 crap i forgot about that yeah see that is because that is the thing like that would rely on i just do not think it is a good idea to run the speech tools in in sequence no but sigwin should run the java as well no no no no no wherever this is going it does not sound good you can use my laptop as sort of like as a server as a sound server but that would mean that we have to get the speech tools running on this now you know i think i mean the way java works is that i think it will run on their dice machine if we are doing it we should definitely test it the day before yeah actually let us say test out before we do it so dave are you going to make something primitive that people can load their data in yeah i will be it i will make a script to run it and put that in the group directly and i will send out in the phone yeah yeah i am not 100% sure what needs to be changed to make it work with a to make it not crash if it does not have a sound card there is quite a bit you have to comment out for that it is stupid because it will be the bit like creates the clock or is there stopping the display as well you know the thing is the display calls methods which probably expect some so i think if the display itself is not doing anything clocky so as long as in the main in the program manager everything clocky is removed but it might be worthwhile to check how much more work it would be to do it over a flag because then in the end because otherwise we always have 2 code versions and people might be changing the wrong one it really you should not even need a flag you should be able to do it with exceptions i mean that is kind of not in that case the exception to the night for really yeah that is true i just i know that like if you do not do the exception deck to get crashes that would figure it out like if you do not have a sound cut it crashes if you do not use the sound yeah okay cool do you see in the program manager do you have a method to set the current id sort of update the display because that is what i am going to need to when in the getting the search results 0 no it is going to have to be something a bit more complicated than that what it will have to do is de register everything and time handlers and then update and then re registering right i think the display has some method for it i am like for the program manager then to call i am not actually 100% sure what it is called but the display has some method where you tell it where to start and go to end yeah well that is going to be something yeah well as far as i have got at the moment i have made our results it has got like the id have you got a component displaying lists of matches yeah yeah well i am working on it okay yeah i mean it is not too hard to do all you have to do is de register everything that is a time handler for us right before you add this stuff in but it depends what behavior you want do you want when you click on a search result we definitely want that one well actually date date day day day and it might not be there yeah i know i was thinking that may be a problem sorry i was wrong i was thinking it is exactly the same thing that happens when we say set selection it is not but actually set selection does everything you want sort of yeah if you look at set select there was set selection does not update the display though because is it not well it does not tell the display which part to display because the display has just called set selection yeah but it does not matter because because if it is jumped to you in the end text area then you will just go to the line of jump do not it yeah but that only works that at the moment is not done through our system that is just done because then the time changes so actually a time change would automatically put the position in the display in the right place no but that is not a good idea because that could well be outside the displayed area then and also the real time and pay time and pay time yeah so yeah we need to re enish wise the display yeah and i think the display has a method for that ready which is called anyway the display is something useful for that something before we start with the word set yeah you can set the window start utterance and window end utterance but yeah we need to do something to ensure that the search resulted in the summary yeah so we probably want a different summary constructor that takes an additional argument as an id and that utterance will always be in the summary alternatively there is always the method of just giving it really high score as a hack you know like just as long as you then do not well probably people would not know the trouble is that still does not guarantee that it appears because if you get enough of them at a high score it prefers the 1st place to seize well you could put one one when the other one is on the cup the one yeah that is right but no it is not a nice way i am just saying you could when you are doing a search you could just like just like just like to zoom back out so you have got the full text for that segment or that meeting rather than a summary because that is maybe what you would want if you were a user yeah probably that actually true that if you are doing a search you are usually not interested in a condensed way but in the full thing anyway you could provide an option otherwise it would be too complicated to cope with a system if you have to readjust it to a different zoom level to get better results probably it would behave strangely in the eyes of the user would need to make a summary the same length yeah as a selection and that would ensure that the search term came up all right yeah i think proportion like even though i am always getting myself confused about this but i think sort of making the summary length i think generally proportion like as a proportional factor of its original length there is a good way of going about it because anything with absolute length sort of stupid because that means that a long long segment gets to one of its length and another one gets to exactly the same length and stuff so if you are doing it by proportion then just having one point 0 or something makes it very easy to always end up it actually that is what i have currently like the current code just takes a 10th of the summary length but we will have that slide yeah and that is the type of slider that we can actually leave in and like show that is that is functionality yeah that is sort of like your level of zoom of impending doom should we quit here anything to be discussed okay so i am going to copy my stuff over landals i will work in ct yeah otherwise you will definitely see me in m at m at m so i will just i think you know i think i am still like the same 0 yeah i did like you well i thought of for staying because i could not typically get out of my pizza but it is more no i do not have to give me out so he said so he then he is naive way it was he started he up on and he sort of went quickly to what we do but i did not say very much and then so it looked to me like he was doing an overly thorough construction way i think it is really i was wondering if there was any direction or anything to figure out what i am trying to i think i started to get some forces that to see the other so best thing that is the people i really i think that it might out of the snowden there is a few of half afterning thank you" ]

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[ "ah yeah okay okay okay okay yep did i tell you that we have got kind of 2 way interaction if you control click an utterance it will play where it should be in the file yeah no i am just like sort of like preparing people for it looks like it looks like really nothing it looks like basically less than n th their stuff but actually dave has written a whole underlying different structure now and if we hooked it up with my display then we should fairly easily from now get to a stage where we can like select individual segments and click on them then play that part in a compressed way and display density information now at the moment the application is we should probably set those sizes cause that is such an easy thing to do yes sure but so at the moment we have a dialog act window and a graphical display w i am not sure are you missing the sound no the interesting thing is the sound came when i tried it last time after i i triggered off something by clicking on something 0 there it is yeah there suddenly they come probably they are just slow at loading and they do not have the buttons yet yeah so at the moment the display is still dis coupled from it it is loading your data i am not quite sure is this it probably looks like vera is data from from the looks of it that is vera is data on the display but the segments are just made up are not they yeah the segments are made up at the moment but the code is there for integrating real segments and this is summarized based on just vera is data at the moment from some part of the meeting so we are we are not loading the whole thing at the moment yet properly but the important thing is this is summarized based on i i realize i am always pointing at my screen and you do not see so this stuff is summarized based on on these intensity measures and we do not have the exact audio record for this usually say we should have just copied it so just to show dave has put a music file in there and the music file is playing without gaps that is because the way how we handle it at the moment is that dave prepares an audio file creates an audio file dynamically from just the chunks that we want to have and that runs in synch with what we have in the i am not even sure why i am making loud it is just so we see that running along with playing of the music we see the the highlight of the dialog acts right that is pretty good you can also control click on the dialog acts and it will play that section of the file as well okay s so and and that already this part here already is dynamically created shall i just load it with jasmine is data just to see a different where is the yeah if you want 0 that one looks almost com just you need to so which version of my data was that the very 1st one the original the very 1st one quite old yeah yeah we were b like doing this we were just concerned with the whole stuff okay yeah yeah v i mean really does not matter and dave where what am i looking for just wanted to know if i am just am i looking for in data manager where am i looking it will be in program or is it f is it where the is it where the file names are is it here where do i call your display is it sh is it here where words importance file no it is on your display where it calls which one to get you just need to change the flag in my display i think it must be unless i it let me t how y how do you do the summary is it 0 no actually yeah you can change it for in the summary when the summary gets called in program manager you can do it i d just so are you basing it on certain thresholds over a special d s okay no not yet it is just picks the top ranked ones at the moment okay so wh where did you say in prog yeah the easiest thing is in program manager where it makes the summary it is probably the best place to do it w you know where that is just about it will be above that above that it will be down like in it is going to be after the data manager is made in this main in this routine yeah that a new summary there is something read importance with a 0 and there is read word importance with a one yeah th can not remember where i put it shall i swap those around maybe it will be in s the summary constructor then yeah try the summaries constructor well wha wha what what is the differe so th this is reall well it reads them into separate arrays and then you can just change a flag to select one i which one it gives back yeah shall i just swap the file numbers around from now yeah if you want or would that crash anything that should be fine 0 yeah and and we really leave a maybe have to find out where yeah i should make a new constructor that lets you set the flag so you have time this afternoon yeah yeah so here so this shows if we see anything at all then we see at the moment at least that we are definitely be having a different summary just because we are having a different im important measure so you see that i it does something like at the moment i think this was yeah yeah that is an old old old version 0 that is the old old one yeah okay so it shows and so if you if you think about how the old version happened okay then you see it makes sense that words like prosody just like a sing if that was the only utterance then that probably scored quite well and stuff we have to get these buttons dave yeah yeah yeah probably it is weird on mine it complains about probably all these huhs and hmms are spelled differently in the thing or what is the problem yeah you should generalize unfortunately i did not get the the bar on the display working just yet okay but that should be a small issue ah ha that is a very old one rather i think those s s and e s and so on the single letters are because of the problem with my 1st version of the text thing yeah i know this is very old we just never bothered to update the stuff because we were working on so we see that we have a very different density curve as well for this one cause i think the and yeah so from here we go and it hopefully will not be too difficult to now 1st of all put the right segments in put a sliding bar into this so that people see where they are so i am i am i am constantly touching stuff on my screen i realize and and then make selections based on a segment now what we are not quite sure is what is the best way for like how the summariser works should it always compress a segment to a constant length though by a constant factor of time or what would you think sort of if you know if if there is a certain degree of of summarisation what should be the constant i suppose it should depend on the length of the segment so always like a so it should always whatever reduce it to half the original i guess that would make more sense yeah cause an al like an alternative view would be that yeah but but perhaps more than half yeah otherwise you go in too slowly yeah yeah well i guess that could be adaptable cause an an alternative view would be that you could sort of make it that it always is the same length so if you like if the whole meeting is selected it compresses the whole meeting to 5 minutes then if one segment w one topic is selected then it plays this whole topic in 5 minutes but that is sort of that gives people a bit less control over so maybe we should do it instead that it yeah it c it you can spec i think that to be honest is something we can worry about at the end i mean that is quite trivial to change and we got a lot of other work to do yeah what is that you discussed for today though what is there to talk about for today yeah i was wanting to talk about the search yeah we need to get on that pretty shortly i think yeah yeah i am quite keen to do like most of that like make an index search and stuff okay so i will need to do some changes to program manager to be able to handle changing results yeah i think what basically what i need at is just a list of words with an index to start with for each meeting what kind of index i suppose it does not really matter as long as they are unique and it can i can pass em back to you and you can use that to the display take and make them in a hash map or something yeah probably shall we abandon the whole notion of seeing the whole m one whole group as one single thing and just work on a p certainly from now on probably for good that means certainly for now yeah i mean yeah yeah 0 yeah do you want you know how you have just got data for one meeting are you needing more at the moment well from the point of us developing it it does not really make much difference i guess not no do we have everything for the same meeting at the moment like is it are you y are you all working on the same meeting yeah i think we are all using the 1st one okay did anyone ever check if that is actually a good meeting like or f comparably to others i think it segments quite well though 1st one kay so you want to send steve the prototype and we should change data where is the best best place to put it sorry the only problem with the 1st meeting is for ex that there is no a hot spot annotation for that 0 but i mean that is not not a real problem m do you take it from from my directory or do i have to put in in the sh well at the moment it is just a an old file yeah but would you take it from from my directory it would probably be yeah best to make a copy of it or okay i would have thought i do not think i am going to be able to do the speech tools through java native interface cause the documentation for them is horrific it is really bad so i think i am thinking i will just write out a script and do it with a system call yeah kay yeah not yet yeah the i just do not think it is worth wasting too much time on it no yes it is not really important that we get it like nice and c clean or anything like that yeah yeah especially because i mean that is that is that is only done like once every time the selection changes right so even if you sort of even if you do an hourglass at that moment and you know even if it pauses for 10 seconds well that is tough luck then i do not think it would take that long anyway think we should just make sure that if it takes quite some time that that the clock does not start before or that the audio and the clock are in synch sort of yeah yeah so yeah it we just start everything after the summary has been created so th it is not a big problem yeah yeah there is a wait for command for an external ca like for an external call to make sure that the external thing is finished because in general like that is sort of running parallel i think yeah yeah i have some code for system calls like that handles the in and the output if you need some of that i do not think i will need that really cause i will just dump out a temporary file okay okay cool i do not really know what to talk about we have see there is there is one week after my dissertation so we are f before the presentation of the prototype which i can work a lot lot lot on this so that is good i think we should decide what we want it to actually look like in the end cause are we going to have some kind of tree view to represent the meetings and stuff because if if we are not then we would probably have to make the graphical display display a bit more information yeah well the graphic display will definitely have more information if we are at the moment abandoning abandoning the concept of displaying the whole series of meetings just because it is for us like more bureaucracy more complexity and it probably just will not give us any brownie points in the presentation or do you think it will i mean do you thi like i think it might why because i steve lay quite a lot of weight on you know surfing through meetings so we should at least provide an overview of different meetings of one group at the beginning he talked quite a lot about that i c it is not too difficult to do and it is sort of a hack kind of way cause we can just treat it all as one meeting we are as one meeting yeah yeah and then maybe have some basic information like if but we will just create like hard segments at the start and end of each meeting like ones that are red instead of black or something like that yeah so just a little bit of ad additional information in the display that knows where meetings picking it over and otherwise internally we treat it like so we have continuous i d s for the segments yeah that works so other than yeah other than well we will just create a hard boundary in between each one so you can see the thing yes but apart from that we do not really do anything different as if it was just one meeting yeah i mean that is quite a cheap way to do it yeah i completely agree so the only thing it would be that the display gets information about where they are and displays them as hard boundaries and what about the similarity measure for segments do we also present that in this window and do we do it across meetings i think that was planned at the beginning was not it yeah so the initially i thought it was sort of more a search functionality that simply there is one button that says find similar segments yeah and then in the same display where we display the search results from the search okay wha so it would not be displayed in in the graphical display well i am not so you think displaying like an information about similarity to the select like to a selected meeting in to a selected segment in the other segments 0 no i i am just coming back to our initial idea of presenting some you know all the similar segments in across meetings and separating by some things like no no i think that is i really do not want to do that to be honest it would be nice but like just it might be possible to do it in the summariser yeah but i it it should appear as a continuous thing f for the yeah yeah it will still appear continuous on the display but i am not i am not sure if it is worth much bother though like if we do a s like a similarity search and just like you say find me similar segments and then sort of like you have a list and you click on one of them and then you go to that segment i think that is quite useful even without displaying them sort of dis continuously so how are we going to display the search for this corpus well i was thinking of just like really just a m more or less just imagine those are search results each like each of them sort of them sort of giving whatever we should aim to get some names for segments like just some extraction of something that we can call and if it is just the single highest importance measure 0 phrase of a segment so that we have something to display for them like basically just a summarisation down to one segment and it would just be a list like this and you click on one and then w you tho you know yeah yeah yeah yeah i think so then the whole bureaucracy kicks in like this gets the nota notification this gets the notification yeah okay and then we could like we could sort of use the same thing for yours and mine because yours would sort of give just the segment i d s and mine would give the start segment i d s yeah right so basically this display would have information about a segment where something starts maybe se well maybe also something where something ends like for mine and some string that we pass to describe what like what it is yeah you wait your search what would it return would it return just the specific like it would go right to the utterance right yeah i suppose my search will r it returned the utterance but if you are searching for a word you need an index for the word and the utterance as well yeah sure sure sure yeah so in in your case like it would basically would probably say the utterance here or at least some part of the u yeah it p it would probably select it yeah it would make sense to do that and in my case it would say some name for the segment and then you would just click on it and then like the whole thing would kick in yeah like you c you click on it and and the selection moves and the display goes to that part okay how advanced are we going to have our search because i definitely think we should restrict it to i think we should be able to restrict it to specific speakers and things like that very very basic yeah yeah yeah yeah if yeah if if you can pass me like the dialog act with but nothing too fancy yeah was it the speaker do we have them with a speaker at the moment and then 0 i well with a speaker i d it yeah that that should be enough should not it okay cool yeah in fact if someone could create a file with the speaker i d s and speaker names cause you can 0 yeah i d i did that yeah just random sp 0 i i have that file that done okay yeah i d i did that as well actually so just where is it is it in the group directory yes in the data yeah group data speaker data or something okay yeah it is the data manager should be quite well documented yeah so you should be able to use that for the search quite easily right yeah so what about is it sorry could i d use that at the moment it is ready to like get dialog acts out with from yeah on the dialog act level i have not got it reading in the topic segments yet yeah just cause that was lower priority yeah yeah but yeah all the you can get all the utterances alright yeah i should maybe just get started with em making a search with that so what about a general layout like this that we have here the dialog acts and there the player b and here we would have a search button and the similarity thing button so where are going to put the search results i mean we can ah good question if we move everything to the right a little bit and make a little bar on the left yeah yeah like the search results in there yeah yeah i think we probably like we can leave those like i frames and just arrange them sort of yeah yeah yeah like we will basi yeah we will get something to print out their locations so we will arrange it in a nice little order alternatively we will have like the whole thing running already when we do the presentation and we just arrange it manually we yeah my c it is quite easy to do though so i think we probably should apparently microsoft sometimes or like at least in the past the demonstrations where they just exactly knew which 5% of the system were working and that is what we are going to do as well yeah has anyone ever seen anything from the other group no we should try running that thing again see what it does now they have all ah yeah they have all sorts of sc scarily good or just delete or back up it yeah of course we have got here that would be evil 0 j so i can print obscene messages in the background to standard output yeah 0 dear if anything we build in a time bomb that only fails if the date is the date of the presentation 0 yes because we are nice people dave this rate thing do we have any direct control to that or is that just directly controlling how fast it plays and sort of we can only it does not seem to work very well it is capable of slowing down the audio but speeding up does not seem to work at all that is a pity because it looks like it is doing something you have to pause it and play it for the did you overtake that code from the original thing yeah that is their clock component kay yeah but also speeding up the audios and s 0 it is all part of the same component that does that do you think if we override their component and just override whatever the the action to that slide bar is no we would have to look in their code and see what it actually does this thing is really bizarre it slows it down a bit the speed up does not seem to work yeah maybe it has a different constructor when you create it yeah also their grasp of algebra is terrible is it well yeah it should not be -2 times it should be half 0 yeah i suppose cause that would be playing it backwards twice as quickly yeah so if so something like their skipping would it actually corporate with our system at the moment would ours skip automatically forward it should do but you have probably gone past the end of the file yeah i realize maybe that is the problem maybe they have got the minus in the code as well and then something in is messed up i do not know i think it is just it did do it it is that bright selection huh yeah whatever so do you think a tree view for like an overview of the whole set of meetings would be good be yeah i think this simple this simple saint view that we get that you can just like pass things into and then check when they got clicked really yeah it w it would look good either that or another something that might be quite cool is if you could you know like some applications when you open a file you get like a little preview if we could do something like that that displays like a 5 line summary when you you are about to open the file or something like that yeah i suppose you could calculate them off line and just yeah have a like like a l little thumbnail or something yeah well could not the summar 0 no then we would have to override though the summariser is quite quick it could probably do it dynamically yeah i mean it would be a bit pointless but it would look good for the presentation yeah it would look pretty and i am not convinced you would get any kind of good quality summary out of it in only 5 lines yeah i suppose yeah but i in a sense i mean if we see yeah but like probably that would be the same thing that we also display up here but because i really think that having like some but that would probably even be shorter than 5 lines like really just getting i think getting one or 2 best utterances for each segment would be really worthwhile for the search results i probably think that instead of a p a simple summary something that displays the utterance where the where the word was like displays in a highlighted form where it was found another quite good thing might be how are you do you know how easy it is to apply 2 tips to things in java to to apply what i have never done it before i have never done it but i would imagine it must be quite easy cause what would be quite cool is if on this search result you could give it each one a tool tip that had the context like the utterance before the utterance itself and the utterance after yeah it would be nice for a presentation yeah yeah so that when you hovered over it well alternatively we could always have sort of a 3rd small component whatever like if this was the search results and then they are just like something else that is part unwritten when miles goes over this one it triggers that one to display it or something but yeah if we can get the tool tip we should use it though and a tool tip is i think a very straightf yeah cause i think it should be quite easy it especially with a preview we will be able to get tool tip fairly simple because it is just a property of it yeah that is what i would have thought i have never seen tool tips displaying several lines and stuff though so i wonder how good that will look but we will we can try that it is quite common in like some applications really yeah well so far only seen tool tips of few words length but yeah that should be fairly easy where we have a moving band the graphical display that also moves according to the yeah yeah we will have that is actually just going to happen today and we will have proper segments as well yeah is that quite easy to do to get a moving cursor the thing i remember like i have to find out how to do it without redrawing the display each time because the display at the moment does take you see like it takes a fraction of a segment to display but probably too much to update it to completely repaint the whole thing every 2nd so at the moment i am just whenever it needs to be repainted i am not thinking about to do and just repainting the thing as a whole with a moving bar that is not a good idea but until i think of something better what i will just do is i will just i will probably not have a moving bar the whole length but just some indicator somewhere like whatever just a triangle moving at the bottom for now or something and then i can just like repaint a small area or something all you need to do is just one value and the area could be smaller the height it does not change in value does it so if you just remember the color that it was last at and you re draw a line behind it of that color and then the next one yeah yeah i have to find i have to find out the the commands for like really just redrawing a small small piece so i have to just there is examples t for for doing stuff like that i just have to read up on it but yeah displaying the the current position bar will be easy provided that my whole calculations of like where we are in time here are all correct i mean that is just something that is not tested so far yeah but it should be i mean so the the general concept will will you 2 just keep on working on improving the information density measures or do you think there will be a point when you say well that is that is it we have we have an information density score and and we will be looking for something else to do or f i am pretty sure that i can always find something to improve there so i mean if you need me to work on something else i can try to finish my stuff early okay but otherwise i can still keep working on it improving it i think kay well i am actually at the moment i do not see how many people can work on on the programming anyway no right now it probably will not be that much benefit right now it probably will not be much benefit no yeah as soon as i have finished all the meetings i think there is not that much to do unless i get some evaluation method but that could be quite difficult i would have to tag some part of it or something did we because if i d if i can not evaluate i can not do any better because i do not know how to do better if i do not evaluate anything so this is the component based evaluation he was talking about yesterday is not it yeah yeah he is really keen on that is not he yeah yeah yeah yeah well i guess i mean 0 so that is a bit annoying cause like it is my hope we could just go cobble something together and just say look it is great yeah i was just going to do some sort of informal evaluation i was a bit pissed off yesterday about that part because it was sort of just like a decision we had taken yeah so okay we have been talking about evaluation l in the 1st report and there is nothing new we can say about it this time yeah i did say that and i thought we said that in the meeting before we wrote the report yeah yeah and then he came back with this whole criticism saying like 0 you did not say anything about evaluation and then yeah but we did that in the last report we said we are not going to go 0 but now i expected it in more detail and 0 yeah he did give us 8 out of 10 though if that translates to 80% like if if those actually translate to to really like their percentage scores then that would be good yeah i think they do cause that is the 1st 60% or is not it 16 cause it is i thought they were 30% each yeah yeah what no i think they were 10% each i do not know 10% each only 10% yeah yeah yeah there were 40% each and this is how they became 60% now what okay i thought they are 30 how much do you think there were i think they are worth 10% yeah yeah 10% 10 each yeah not bad we also it it just means that he is relatively lenient because i mean the reports were i think they were ok good reports but like probably somebody else would not have said they were excellent so that is a good sign cause it shows that he is not hell bent on yeah i suppose he can see that we are putting the work in yeah and then he will see the final display and he will realize that it was all fake that we did not actually do any of the work no but it is cause i think we would rampantly underestimated how long it would take to do the actual software engineering bit i yeah that yeah that interface and integration yeah see the thing is like for me personally i think a lot of work will be done in in the last minute in this specific case that is not a new statement at general but like the week just before the presentation i have most of the stuff that i i am doing now i am rid of it including the dissertation and dil yeah same for me see i will probably just be starting stuff then cause i will be starting the s n l p thing and the d m project so 0 yeah 0 no i forgot about that what are you doing for your d m project i am going to do like an on line museum archive you get like a document for each exhibit 0 is yeah i kind of nicked the idea he went about code m l i am going to make one for guitar tablature 0 yeah 0 that would be quite a good one actually yeah but i i think it might have been bit off more than i could chew so i think it is going to be quite hard yeah would you have to do like music notation and stuff well tab does not usually have music notations just pitch information right okay that is n not so see how far i get anyway so jasmine if if you got something like this and like this for for your current data would that help in i sort of have been promising this for a week now i realize yeah i am going to give you do not know if it is that n yeah it might be of help cause it is empty at the moment yeah i mean dave i it is a pretty much r it sh should be a question of copying it over it r over right yeah so i just did not well you can easy add a command line parameter it is not essential though i think yeah can probably add a open file dialog box with minimum effort because i think it is a ready made component that returns a string for a file name it may even return a file directly or that w yeah possible so we can do that today probably the thing is it i do not know yeah it does not really make sense to call it file open or anything like that cause that is it is more like an option to set the par yeah but why do not we because it reads everything just from one file yeah i know sure it j like it it would not necessary need to be a part of the final thing but why do not we just provide some means even if it does it automatically in the beginning as a start up option just to ask for a file name cause then we can just publish a script that you just run and then this whole thing starts you know what happened to me today like i forgot about the whe i am not sure if we had that problem before finding the java media the java x media stuff on all the jars for that 0 yeah that did happen once before yeah i was like suddenly panicking at 11 when i realized god i just thought it would be very straight forward to get it going here and then i got that thing yes so if we do a version which automatically opens up a file open box you are yeah f so you are automatically producing the right format with this no with just per utterance yeah f per utteran i print the utterances in the i d okay no the the i d of the utterance and the measure i think so would it be easy slash dissu difficult slash impossible like at the moment if we skip to a s treating a whole series as one thing so like creating one file for the whole series that gives the uttera the ideas from top to bottom and or even just the entire corpus that is what colin is file has got that should not make too much difference but the entire corpus it if i just take well m a file or where one meeting is in or concatenate all those should not be too bad does his it is it is easy to load that much just text yeah where do you think you can produce something like that like i think we should go for like for one group not for the whole corpus i think it makes more sense to go for the whole corpus because the meet the the i d s going to have gaps and stuff in them otherwise and it means you have to read through the list of utterances when you are compiling all the data over and over and over and over again no no n so so you want the dialog act numbers to be continuous throughout the corpus so that 2nd meetings begins with 300 something yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no but dave yeah so tha that is what i was thinking that like the 2nd meeting should continue till the 1st one is stopped a and for one group that is true because it is sort of like their meeting is you know like that one meeting and then well a at the moment the main data i that is just uniquely numbered throughout the entire corpus well at the moment from the dump file it is just got them uniquely numbered throughout the entire corpus the utterances okay and and that is the and it makes more sense to do that anyway because that means you got more flexibility with how you want to group them and one thing you really do not want is ever to have 2 utterances that could potentially have the same i d but it just does not make sense in the logic wise sort of like until here it is the meeting about this thing and then it is that thing and then it is it is this like whereas yeah but that is the point of the data manager is to manage all that could not we could not we just take the a name each each dialog act meeting dot dialog act number it is possible but it is it is not really much point it would be a la longer name but cause at the moment it has got quite nice property that the dialog act number also coincides with the array index number in the array of dialog acts which is quite nice whereas s mayb maybe we are talking k like so so your data manager would that then handle the whole thing would that handle it that this would only like the display would only display one group well you could you could choose whatever you wanted yeah so if i mean i do not mind where it is done so if the data manager filters it out and like i just think that in in the logic of the program it is it is much easier to justify why we say we treat a series of meetings as one single thing rather than w but you may not be interested in the same series each time you might want to display all meetings that had a particular phrase mention say and those might not be the ones that we enumerated as one meeting in which case you are going to have conflicting i d s and things like that but a whereas the da if you do it in the data manager you can control any logic like that programmatically rather than doing it by hand and setting it in stone for all time i b like would just i would find logical reasons for why you can sugg say peop well it is just good practice like it separates the data from the program logic what you are talking about doing is embedding some of the program logic in the data but i see this 2 completely g def like i see each ser each group is completely separate amount of data that should not yeah but that is a decision we are forcing on the user when we do not have to okay but would it still like would we still in the logic of it still have continuous i d s if we say we take just just one meeting like would would the display for example still be able to just say i want from whatever from the 1st until the last and and everything in between sort of and and the data manager would then display that just for that meeting yeah i do not see why not okay well if that is possible yeah have you currently got continuous i d s for your topic segments well i have i have only done the 1st meeting but yeah th that is the plan 0 okay i thought you had done all of them and for the topic segments yeah yeah sorry for topic segments i have yeah but for the utterances i have just got one meeting so far but the idea was that it would be continuous yeah okay i think it sh everything should be like that continuous in chronological order okay is that what v what you have got because because the different meeting series overlap i think yeah remember how did i do it a problem yeah i do not know for example as there are not f 0 values for every speaker or on sometimes not for every meeting how will i count that up i am not sure i have not really looked at the data i mean if there is no value i guess you have to put a 0 in ah okay at the moment i do not even generate any document document for those yeah but because i mean it is not 0 it is just a noun well it might be more sensible to assign it an average value but would not it be better for the importance measure if that just would not be part of it then the well we would w only use f 0 when it was present though would not we we well we would want to use f 0 when it is present yeah that is what vera said no so you you would you would also say that it should not be part of the importance measure if there is no f 0 yeah yeah well i i do not know how we are going to do the fusing of the different if inf importance measures anyway yeah bu if that is done in the program or if that is done off line i th think it should be done in the program cause we are probably going to want to change it yeah in the summariser it would be the ideal place to do that yeah yeah yeah does anyone have a good idea like at the moment to play around with it what is a good way of displaying 2 types of information in the in the color display i mean there is probably logical ways like if one is whatever if one is the darkness and the other is the redness or something has anyone ever experimented with sort of displaying 2 dimensional information in in color because then we could do jasmine is and and vera is probably in the same scale you could use red green and blue to display up to 3 yeah yeah but do we really want do display them separately because the user will not okay for now for our s okay f for now no for now like yeah for us might be interesting to the user though just the word importance maybe yeah but then the user would have to know about what s w was what and what contributed to the blue stripes and what contributed to the red ones s yeah yeah i think we sh we should not t we should assume a n assume a non linguistic user i think that would not be a good idea but i think probably for us like in developing it it would be interesting yeah so i will try the red green blue wha what is does anyone know what this hue and saturation thing like what that no nobody is done much color work well i do not know how to do it in java but 0 actually it is not a problem of doing it like i think it is the trouble is that hue is not a very sensible scale like it comes up to like red 2 or 3 times and stuff like that okay okay well i guess i will just take a look at the photoshop color cube or whatever it is gimp color cube and look at or you could just split it into 2 blocks i suppose for now yeah yeah kay so we will produce a version of this which opens up with a dialog box where you can select a file is that right dave would we be able to do that yeah and and then you will get this type of display with that file and that is at the moment are w so are we are we still talking about using that one meeting that everyone is using now are talk about swat swi swapping now well there is no reason why it can not swap meetings at the moment if the data is there for it switching yeah so everyone should produce stuff for the whole corpus now or yeah that is most sensible way to do it i think okay okay we need the explicit information about each meeting then like sorta whi from which utterance which utterance it goes and stuff yeah that is well it is not reading that in yet but that will be part of the data manager as well is anyone is anyone providing that at the moment like there is access classes all defined for that i did not does any yeah it is in your file is not it yeah cause each utterance has got an i d associated with it yeah okay okay okay could not we could not we write one program that calculates all the f for all our different contributions to the importance measure the a absolute dialog act numbers for the meeting because at the moment we all produce the numbers for each meeting separately i do not know well if you so just keep yeah just enumerate up for the next number 3 yeah but we should all use the same program i think would prevent us from having too much mistakes in it or at least the mistakes would be consistent yeah we should be consistent yeah yeah i am not sure about that as in i just do not understand much about how difficult it is to do to do different things no it is not really difficult it is just yeah i mean i can do it i can read in the different importance measures and then re re calculate the numbers well as l as long as yeah as long as everything is in the right order it should not like we should even be able to just i d it when we are reading it in but we have got the index for converting from vera is i d s to to yours so it should not be a problem should it yeah it should be easy to do yeah yeah i have done that for the correlation as well so that is what that was quite easy to do kay have you got that for no it is just for one meeting at the moment yeah i have got the indexes for all the meetings i think 0 okay sure yeah yeah so if we email out a script on how to like f load it so yours would always like yours would always be loaded in i guess like you y there would only be one version of your data and you can just override that version if you want but you would not have a file open dialog box for that then no i do not think so well that is what i meant is it is a bit pointless having it as file open cause it will be opening those files all the time it is more sensible to have it as an option and the location of them well what would the option be or just so you can configure the the location of all the files as an option but when it starts up it should just read them from the default place okay but like so make it an option which one it displays or which one it uses for the summarisation or cause it cause i was just thinking sort of so that both jasmine and vera could see their data working and yeah that makes sense 0 of course t there is no reason why we can not make a development version that displays both has 2 win utterance windows and 2 graphical displays i mean obviously you it would have to pick which one to synch the clock to is that not getting too much to add another dialog act window is really easy so we would have like each of those components for for jasmine and vera 0 like say if you could make a change to your thing so it could display like it in 2 halves yeah i know so like the top half one the bottom half the other yeah yeah or maybe 3 actually maybe top half one bottom half the other and the 3rd one an average that we can change the parameters for and then yeah i could easily make it throw out 3 different dialog acts but would that not require 3 clocks and i but that but but that also means no i would just have 2 of them not synched up because it is just for evaluating the data okay cause the dialog the display also gets the information about like the relative and the absolute times so that would be convenient if that just if there is just one of that cause otherwise it is getting messy 0 right yeah i see what you mean so why do not we just make a swap ins why do not we make a switch instead like 0 no no it is still good because 0 no it is not i do not want to do like 3 like 3 internal time scales so that is just getting messy yeah i know what you mean yeah well i guess really i mean like alternatively why do not we go for the simplest thing and just create 3 scripts or 2 scripts which load a parameter f common line parameter yeah i suppose which is which file to load and and then it is just there no hold on you it would not need 3 internal time scales cause only one is synched to the clock or it c and the others are all absolute real time are not they okay that is what is displayed on that the bar is real time is not it yep so they would all be in the same time scale okay would the others 0 you 0 you just have 3 summarisers and then they are all synched up with one clock no no only one of them synchs and 2 of them are just yeah okay the other one is just a static dialog acts box cause it does not really matter they synch up for the purpose of evaluating the data okay okay yep so we have 3 color displays like 3 or yeah i mean not in the final version just for now no no sure or maybe just start with just 2 like without even combining them in any sophisticated way just just 2 yeah yep kay shall we wrap that up sor sorry i am imposing how easy would it be to make it so you can add arbitrary numbers of them do you think you mean discontinuous no like different measures to the display if i have to do it f like flexibly then i probably then it will not be significantly more difficult but is it worth any effort though i mean well that is the thing if it is going to take more than like an hour or something it is not worth it cause we will never have more than 2 and we will never ha well we will either have one or 2 yeah so in the end cause you do not have different versions of well i guess you probably would have but then also we would have to find more sophisticated ways of loading it specifying the parameters so that might but that is easy cause mine can take any number of parameters yeah but that we would not so we would have to have some dialog box for opening stuff it might be it might take half an hour in the display and not more than that mine i will need to make a minor addition to the data manager and the summariser but it is more or less ready to go with that but it might actu i think it might not really be worth it to be honest let us work on the other stuff 1st like the other stuff and just provide like something where each of them just if if there is a jasmine script and a vera script and they each can load their stuff and see their data in in the thing they ca they each can see it summarized by their data and the other one is the static one okay that should be fairly easy to do right yep if i just double the display and you make a like a non synched up 2nd dialog acts yeah should be easy and yeah and then they can tune fine tune their measures i think it would be cool if we could check the nite clock f code or whatever code it is for this component and see if we can access those rate things and and do something useful with them and get notified when they change and stuff we could just make that rate be something completely different just disconnect it from whatever it is doing and then have that set the length of the summary or something like that yeah i think yeah i think that is what we should do so the the thing is it is probably an easy task to read that rate but it is probably more difficult to get an event automatically when it is changed so that is why we might have to extend nite clock and like override the function that react to that or like the rate is probably a property which in the worst case we would have to set public but if we want to react to it being changed automatically we might have to well it does not it does not react to it being changed automatically it only reacts when you press play at the moment okay so they have not sp okay so you have to stop it and start it to make any effect yeah so it should not like even if to even if if we have to extend nite clock i mean it should just be a matter of changing one single method in it yeah i mean just disconnect it from whatever it sends the media player and connect it up to our summarisers yeah yeah that makes different length summaries yeah cause like we could make that not even have like a a real sort of meaning just put like max and min and the user can just like set it in between wherever they want the without actually telling them what it actually means if you see what i mean yep yeah yep and we could justify all sorts of stuff like that by r in the presentation by saying we deliberately tried to keep any complexity and numbers and stuff away from people yeah i think that is sort of a line we should go by in general sort of saying yeah we could have done 0 so many th we should certainly take away the labels that say -4 times as well cause that is incredibly unintuitive we do not want to confuse people we give people something simple and colorful where something is moving and where they do not have to l deal with any numbers or text or anything like that for that matter in fact that is why we have given you a picture of a dog sitting in a field instead of a meeting browser it is nice and it calms people down so what kind of change will you impose on the summarisation because if we fine tune according to that and it is not finished it is n does not make any sense well but it will not make any huge changes like it will always have the ef the ability to read the original ones okay right but it might be quite cool to have a combined measure huh like just a weighted average is probably the most sensible way to about it and possibly thresholding it okay so you at the moment you have got a threshold and everything that is above it is displayed or how do you d no it just takes the top like 20 or 50 or however many yeah so it is some kind of threshold that is set okay yeah yeah yeah shall we meet in an hour or so dave i am probably going to eat something quick well i was going to go to the gym at about 3 so ah okay i was actually i was planning the same but we will not get so much done before 3 that is the thing or to be honest like it is much quicker for me to get stuff done on my own it would make more sense for us to divide up spend a couple of hours dividing up tasks and then do them separately kay listen so why do not we meet after 3 then because then i can like until 3 make sure that i have all the display c well it will be after 4 then cause i am going to go at 3 yeah sure yeah the gym s 0 so we could meet at 5 and i have the display code ready by then which does the stuff like like having a bar where the position is and stuff okay and so meet say 5 till 7 that should be enough time yeah because yeah it is much quicker if we are both working separately i think cause when we have been working together like i have just not got a lot done yeah that is true and like when i go home i will spend like the same amount of time and get loads done if you see what i mean yeah yeah so we can meet in 5 in apple at 5 in appleton tower and just work on so i will i will have my displ i will make sure that my display does all the stuff we have been talking about un until then yeah okay and then we will put those things together okay yeah i will be working on the search i think it is ready to get started so you are going to be up there as well then yeah i may as well come and you can show me how it the manager works yeah yeah but i mean like we we should discuss together which w like how the the search interacts with the rest so that is not something that colin should just do in his own" ]

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[ "0 okay okay i tell you that we have got kind of 2 way interaction okay okay yeah do i tell you that we have got kind of 2 way interaction if you control token after it will play where it should be yeah and just like sort of like preparing people for it looks like really nothing it looks like basically less than their stuff but actually dave has written a whole underlying different structure now and if we hooked it up with my display then we should fairly easily from now get to a stage where we can select individual segments and click on them and then play that part in a compressed way and display density information now at the moment the application application is we should probably set those sides is because i certainly do it yes sure so at the moment we have a dialog act window and the graphical display i am not sure the interesting thing is the sound came when i tried it last time after i triggered off something by clicking on something yeah there suddenly they come probably that is just slow in loading and they do not have the buttons yet so at the moment the display is still coupled from it it is loading your data i am not quite sure it probably looks like whereas data from the looks of it but the segments are just made up yeah the segments are made up at the moment but the code is there for integrating real segments and this is summarized based on just where i state at the moment from some part of the meeting so we are not loading the whole thing at the moment properly but the important thing is this is summarized based on i realize i was pointing at my screen and you do not see so this stuff is summarized based on these intensity measures and we do not have the exact audio record for this which really said we should have just copied it so just to show dave has put a music file in there and the music file is playing without gaps that is because the way how we handle it at the moment is that dave prepares an audio file dynamically from just the chunks that you want to have and that runs in sync with what we have in the i am not sure why i am making it loud it is just so we see that running along with the playing of the music we see the highlight of the dialog acts that is pretty good you know is a control clip on the dialog acts and it will play that section of fire as well okay so and that already this part here already is dynamically created let us just load it with jasmine is data just to see a different where is the that one looks almost just you need to so which version of my data was that the very 1st one yeah yeah we were like doing this we were just concerned with the whole yeah i mean it really does not matter it does not matter i just want to do a contest what am i looking for i am i looking for in data manager where am i looking is it with a file name sorry is it here where i call your display is it here where it is important file no it is on your display where it calls which one to get you just need to change a flag in my display i think it must be unless i pass you it how do you do this on the way the summary is it 0 no actually yeah you can change it for in the summary when the summary gets recalled in programmeanor even here so are you basing it on certain specials over a special no no it is just it is a top branch yeah okay okay so where did you say in program the easiest thing is in program manager where it makes the summary is going to best place of it you know where that is just about it will be above that above that above that in this main in this routine there is something great importance with a 0 and there is read importance with a one yeah so let us swap those around it maybe it will be in some reconstruct the yeah what is the difference so this is read them what is the difference so this is they reads them into separate arrays and then you can just change a flag to select which one it gets that so let us just swap the file names around for now yeah yeah or would that crash anything 0 yeah and we really leave a zombie we have to file out yeah i should make a new constructor that lets him set the flag so you have time this afternoon yeah yeah so here so this shows if we see anything at all then we see at the moment at least that we are definitely having a different summary just because we are having a different important measure so you see that it does something like at the moment i think this was 0 that is the old yeah yeah that is an old old old version so it shows so if you think about how the old version happened then you see it makes sense that words like prosody just like a single if that was the only utterance that that probably scored quite well and stuff i have to get these buttons stay yeah it is weird online it can probably all these who is and ahams are spelled differently in the thing or what is the problem you should generalize unfortunately i did not get the bar on the display working just yet but that should be a small issue and that is a very old one rather i think those s is and e is and so on the single letters are because of the problem with my yeah no this is very old we should never bore the chart ed staff because we were working on so we see that we have a very different density curve as well for this one and yeah so from here we go and it hopefully will not be too difficult to now 1st of all put the right segments in put a sliding bar into this so that people see where they are so i am constantly touching stuff on my screen i realize and then make selections based on a segment now what we are not quite sure is what is the best way for like how the summarizer works should it always compress a segment to a constant length or by a constant factor of time what would you think sort of if you know if there is a certain degree of summarization what should be the constant i suppose it should depend on the length of the segment so always like a rella so it should always whatever reduce it to half the rest of it it should make more sense yeah because an alternative view would be that yeah but perhaps more than half yeah well i guess that could be adapted on an alternative view would be that you could sort of make it that it always is the same length so if the whole meeting is selected it compresses the whole meeting to 5 minutes then if one segment one topic is selected then they place this whole topic in 5 minutes but that is sort of that gives people a bit less control over so maybe we should do it instead that you can spend i think that to be honest is something we can worry about the end i mean that is quite trivial to change and we have got a lot of other work to do yeah what is that to discuss for today there what is there to talk about for today yeah i was wanting to talk about the search yeah yeah i am thinking to do like most of that they can index search and okay so i will need to do some changes to the program manager to be able to handle yeah i think what basically what i need it is just a list of words with an index to start with each meeting what kind of index and i suppose it does not really matter as long as you can i can pass them back to you and you can use that a little hash right yeah probably should we abandon the whole notion of seeing the whole one whole group is one single thing and just work on certainly for now yeah certainly for now and probably for good that means i mean 0 yeah do you want you know you just got there for one meeting are you needing more at the moment well from the point of us developing it it does not really make much different do we have everything for the same meeting at the moment are you all working on the same meeting yeah i think we are all using the 1st one did anyone have a check if that is actually a good meeting like or comparably to others i think it segments quite well well the 1st one so you want to send the prototype and we should change the data the best the problem with the 1st meeting is that there is no hot spot annotation for that but i mean that is not a real problem do you take it from either a re quiry or do i have to put it in the well at the moment it is just an old file yeah but would you take it from my directory yeah best to make a copy of it i do not think i am going to be able to do the speech tools to garnered into place because the documentation is horrific it is really bad i think i will just write out a script and do it with a system called yeah okay yeah yeah i just do not think it is worth wasting time on it it is not really important that we get it like missing clean or anything yeah especially because i mean that is that is that is only done like once every time the selection changes right so even if you sort of even if you do an hourglass at that moment then you know even if it pauses for 10 seconds well that is tough like that that is tough like that i do not think we should just make sure that if it takes quite some time that the clock does not start before whether the audio on the clock and things sort of so yeah we just start everything after the summary has been created yeah yeah there is a wait for command for an external like for an external call to make sure that the external thing is finished because in general like that sort of running parallel i think yeah i have some code for system calls like that handles the in and the output if you need some of that i do not think i need it really because i will just dump out a 10 3 5 okay cool i do not really know what to talk about we have one week after my dissertation is over before the presentation of the prototype which i can work a lot lot a lot on this so that is good i think we should decide what we want it to actually look like in the end because are we going to have some kind of tree view to represent the meetings and stuff because if we are not then we are not then we are not then we are not if we are not then we would probably have to make the graphic display a bit more information yeah well the graphic display will definitely have more information if we are at the moment abandoning the concept of displaying the whole series of meetings just because it is for us more bureaucracy more complexity and it probably just will not give us any brownie points in the presentation but do you think it will i mean do you think i think it might well because steve laid quite a lot of weight on surfing through meetings so we should at least provide an overview of different meetings of one group at the beginning he talked quite a lot about that it is not too difficult to do in a kind of way we can just treat it all as one meeting yeah yeah and then maybe have some basic information like if like we will just create like a hard segment at the start and end at each meeting like one sort of red instead of black or something like that yeah so just a little bit of additional information in the display that knows we are meeting picking it over and otherwise internally we treat it like so we have continuous ideas for the segments yeah that works other than yeah other than we will just create hard boundaries in between each one to use yes but apart from that we do not really do anything different as we are just one meeting yeah i completely agree so the only thing it would be that the display gets information about where they are and displays them as hard boundaries and what about the similarity measure for segments do we also present that in this window and do we do it across meetings i think that was planned planned at the beginning was it yeah so initially i thought it was sort of more a search functionality that simply there is one button that says find similar segments and then in the same display where we display the search results from the search okay so it would not be displayed in the well i am not so you think displaying like an information about similarity to the select like to a selected meeting to a selected segment in the other segments no i am just coming back to our initial idea of presenting some you know all the similar segments and across meetings and separating by some no no i think that is i really do not want to do that to be honest it would be nice but like it might be possible to do it in the summarizer yeah but it should appear as a continuous thing for the yeah it was still appear continuous on the disqualizer yeah i am not sure if it is worth much bother though like if we do a similarity search and just like you say find me similar segments and then sort of like you have a list and you click on one of them and then you go to that segment i think that is quite useful even without displaying them sort of discontinuously so how are we going to display the search well i was thinking of just like really just more or less just imagine those are search results each of them sort of giving whatever we should aim to get some names for segments like some extraction of something that we can call and if it is just the single highest importance measure phrase of a segment so that we have something to display for them like basically just a summarization down to one segment and it would just be a list like this and you click on one and then yeah you know then the whole bureaucracy kicks in like this gets the notification this gets the notification yeah okay and then we could like we could sort of use the same thing for yours and mine because yours would sort of give just the segment ideas and mine would give the start segment ideas so basically this display would have information about a segment where something starts maybe also something where something ends like for mine and some string that we pass to describe what like what it is yeah wait your search for would it return would it return just the specific like it would go right to the utterance right yeah i suppose my search would return the utterance but if you are searching for a word you need an index for the word in the utterance yeah sure sure sure yeah so in your case like it would basically it would probably say the utterance here or at least some part of the probably select it yeah yeah and in my case it would say some name for the segment and then you would just click on it and it and then the whole thing would kick in you click on it and the selection moves and the display goes to that part how advanced we can have us so definitely really restrict it very basic yeah i think we should then be able to restrict to specific speakers yeah yeah things like that yeah if you can pass me like the dialog act with yeah was the speaker to we have them with the speaker moment well with the speaker id yeah that should be enough in that because if someone could create a file with speak id is and speaker names 0 yeah just random i have that file yeah i did that as well as well is it in the group yes in the data yeah the data speaker deal or something yeah it is the data manager should be quite well documented yeah so you should be able to use that right so it is quite easy yeah so what about is it sorry could i use it at the moment it is ready to get dialog acts out with from yeah on the dialog app level i have not got it reading any topic you can get into topic segments yeah yeah just that was a lot of priority yeah yeah you can get all the options all right yes really just start with that so what about a general layout like this that we have here the dialog act and they are the player and here we would have a search button and the similarity thing button and i mean we can where are we going to put the search results ah good question if we move everything to the right a little bit like a little bar on the left yeah yeah like search results in there i think we probably like we can leave those like eye frames and just arrange them sort of yeah yeah like we will basically we will get something to print out their location so we will arrange it alternatively we will have like the whole thing running already when we do the presentation and we just arrange it manually it is quite easy to do though so i think we probably do apparently microsoft sometimes or at least in the past the demonstrations where they just exactly knew which 5% of the system were working and that is what we are going to do as well yeah has anyone ever seen anything from the other group no they have all yeah they have all sorts of i will just believe all their code yeah of course we have got reacters yeah i will just make it pretty seen messages in the background to standard output yeah 0 dear if anything we build in a time bomb that only fails if the date is the date of the presentation yes because we are nice people if this rate thing do we have any direct control to that or is that just directly controlling how fast it people how fast it plays and sort of we can only it does not seem to work very well it is capable of slowing down the audio but it is speeding up does not seem to work at all that is a pity because it looks like it is doing something you have to pause it did you overtake that code from the original yeah that is their clock component yeah but also speeding up the audio it is all part of the same component that does that do you think if we override their component and just override whatever the action to that slide the action to that slide bar is i do not know we would have to look in their code and see what it actually does it seems really bizarre it slows it down but the speed up does not seem to right yeah maybe there is a different constructor when you create it also their grasp of algebra is terrible is it well yeah it should not be -2 times it should be half sorry sorry because that would be playing it backwards twice as quickly yeah so if something like they are skipping would it actually cooperate with our system at the moment would our skip automatically forward it should do but you probably gone past the end of 5 yeah i realize maybe that is the problem maybe i have got the minus in the code as well and then something is messed up i think it is just it did do it it is that bright selecting yeah whatever so you think a preview for like an overview of a set of meetings would be good i think the simple view that we get that you can just like pass things into and then check when they got clicked really something that might be quite cool is if you could you know like some applications when you open a file you get like a little preview if we could do something like that it displays like a 5 lines 5 line summary and you would be about to open the 5 yeah i suppose you could calculate the moth lane and just have a little thumbnail or something we could not just summarize i know then we would have to over it the summarize is quite quick it could probably do it going out i mean it would be a bit pointless but it would look good for the presentation i am not convinced you would get any kind of good quality summary out in a sense i mean if we see yeah yeah like probably that would be the same thing that we also display up here because i really think that having like some but that would probably even be shorter than 5 lines like really just getting i think getting one or 2 best utterances for each segment would be really worthwhile for the search results i probably think that instead of a simple summary something that displays the utterance where the word was like displays in a highlighted form where it was found another quite good thing might be do you know how easy it is to apply tooltips to him in java i have never done it to apply what i would imagine it must be pretty easy there is one to be quite cool if on the search result you could give it each one a tooltip that had the context like the options before the options after yeah it would be next when you hold it over it well alternatively we could always have sort of a 3rd small component whatever like if this was the search results and then it is just like something else that is parked under it and when mouse goes over this one it triggers that one to display it or something yeah if we can get the tooltip no tooltip is i think a fairly straight i think it should be quite easy yeah especially with a tree view we will be able to get tooltip fairly simply because it is just a property of it yeah that is what i was i have never seen tooltips displaying several lines and stuff so i wonder how good that will look but we can try that it is quite common in like some applications really wow so far only some tooltips of view world is length but yeah that should be fairly easy where we have a moving band the graphical display that also moves according to the yeah we will have that is actually just going to happen today and we will have proper segments as well is that quite easy to do for the moving cross off the thing i have to find out how to do it without redrawing the display each time because the display at the moment it does take you see like it takes a fraction of a 2nd to display but probably too much to update it to completely repaint the whole thing every 2nd so at the moment i am just whenever it needs to be repainted i am not thinking about what you do and just repainting the thing as a whole with a moving bar that is not a good idea but until i think of something better what i will just do is i will just i will probably not have a moving bar the whole length but just some indicator somewhere like whatever just a triangle moving at the bottom for now or something and then i can just repaint a small area or something all you need to do is just one value the height that does not change in values so if you just remember the color that it was last at then you redraw a line behind it of that color and then do it yeah i have to find out the commands for like really just redrawing a small piece there is examples for doing stuff like that stuff like that i just have to read up on it but yet displaying the the current position bar will be easy provided that my whole calculations of like where we are in time here are all correct i mean that is just something that is not tested so far but it should be i mean so so the general concept will you to just keep on working on improving the information density measures so do you think there will be a point when you say well that is it we have an information density score and we will be looking for something else to do i am pretty sure that i can always find something to improve there so i mean if you need me to work on something else i can try to finish my stuff early but otherwise i can still keep working on it improving it i think i do not actually at the moment i do not see how many people can work on their programming anyway right now it would not be much benefit no as soon as i have finished all the meetings i think it is not that much to do unless i get some evaluation method well that could be quite difficult i would have to tag or some part of it or something because if i can not evaluate i can not do any better because i do not know how to do better if i this is a component based evaluation yeah yeah he is really keen on that yeah well i guess i mean it is a bit annoying because there is my hope we could just kind of cobble something together and just say look it is great yeah i was just going to do some informal i was a bit pissed off yesterday about that part because it was sort of just like a decision we had taken to say okay we have been talking about evaluation in the 1st report there is nothing new we can say about it this time and i thought we said that in the meeting before we wrote the report and then he came back with the full criticism saying like 0 you did not say anything about evaluation and then yeah but we did it in the last report we said we are not going to go 0 but now i expected it in more detail yeah you did give a say yeah if that translates to 80% like if those actually translate to really like their presentation percentage scores and that would be good i think they did because that is the 1st 60% 16 yeah i thought they were 30% each what 10% each they were 40% each and this is how they became 60% i thought they were 30 okay how much do you think they were i think i was 10% yeah 10% not bad we also it just means that he is relatively lenient because i mean the reports were i think there were good reports but like probably somebody else would not have said they were excellent so that is a good sign that shows that he is not hell bent on yeah i suppose you can see the work in the work end and then he will see the final display and he realized that it was all fake and we did not make it do any of the work i think we randomly underestimated how long it takes to the actual software engineering yeah the interface and integration yeah see the thing is like for me personally i think a lot of work will be done in the last minute in this specific case that is not a new statement in general but like the week just before the presentation i have most of the stuff that i am doing now i am rid of it including the dissertation and dill same for me see i will just be starting stuff then because i will be starting the snlp thing and the dm project 0 no god be that what are you doing for your dm i am going to do like an online museum archive you get like a document from exhibit yeah i kind of nick the idea that he went about called it well and they are like on for guitar tablets i love the car guitar guitar i think it might have been off more like a chick because i think it is really quite hard yeah would you have to do like music notation and stuff well have the nature you have music notation it is just right not so hard see how far yeah i know so jasmine if you got something like this and like this for always your current data would that help in sort of i have been promising this for a week been promising this for a week now realize i am going to give you i do not know if it is that it might be of help because essentially at the moment i mean david it is pretty much it should be a question of copying it over it right it is just we can easy add command mode parameter it is not essential though i think yeah you can probably add an open file dialog box with minimum effort because i think it is a ready made component that returns a string for a file name it may even return a file directly or that yeah so we can do that today probably the thing is i do not know it does not really make sense to call it file open or anything like that because it is more like an option to set the path yeah but why do not be it reads everything just from one file yeah no sure like it would it would not necessarily need to be a part of the final thing but why do not we just provide some means even if it does it automatically in the beginning as a startup option just to ask for a file name because then we can just publish a script that you just run and then this whole thing starts you know what happened to me today i forgot about the i am not sure if he had that problem before finding the java media the javax media stuff on all the charts for that yeah i was like suddenly panicking at 11 when i realized i just thought it would be fairly straightforward get it going here and then i got that thing yes so if we do a work which automatically opens up a file open box yeah so you are automatically producing the right format with this with just per utterance per utterance i print the utterance as in the id and the idea of the utterance and the so would it be easy slash just a difficult slash possible like at the moment if you skip to a treating a whole series as one thing so like creating one file for the whole series that gives the after the ideas from top to bottom and or even just the entire corpus that is what goin is files got but the entire corpus if i just take one a file or where one meeting is in or concatenate all those should be too yeah yeah it is easy to load that much just text yeah do you think you can produce something like that like i think we should go for like for one group not for the whole corpus no i think it makes more sense to go for the whole corpus because the the the the id is gaps and stuff in them otherwise and it means you have to read the list of options is when you are compiling all the data you are compiling all the data over and over and over again so you want the dialect act members to be continuous throughout the corpus so that 2nd meeting begins with 300 something no but dave that is what i was thinking that the 2nd meeting should continue for the 1st one stopped and for one group that is true because it is sort of like their meetings you know like they had one meeting and then the main data that is just i think you need you know without the entire corpus well at the moment the dump file it is just got them uniquely numbered throughout the entire corpus the utterances okay and that is and it makes more sense to do that anyway because that means you have got more flexibility with how you have to creep them and one thing you really do not want is ever to have 2 utterances that could potentially have the same idea but it just does not make sense in the logic why sort of like until here it is the meeting about this thing and then it is that thing and then it is this like where is that is the point of the data could we just take the name each each dialog act meeting dot dialog act number it would be a longer name but there is not really much point because at the moment it has got quite nice property that the dialog that number also coincides with the array of that number in the array of dialog apps where is it maybe we are talking like so your data manager would that then handle the whole thing would that handle it that this would only like the display would only display one group you could choose whatever you wanted yeah so if i mean i do not mind where it is done so if the data manager filters it out and like i just think that in the logic of the program it is much easier to justify why we say we treat a series of meetings it is one single thing rather than you may not be interested in the same series each time you might want this way or meetings that had a particular phrase mentioned and those might not be the ones that we enumerated as one meeting in which case you are going to have conflicting ideas and things like that but as the data what can be doing the data management you can control any logic like that programmatically rather than doing it by hand and setting it in stone for all times i would just i would find logical reasons for why you can just say people well it is just good practice like it separates the data for the program logic what you are talking about doing is embedding some of the program logic in the data but i see this too completely deaf like i see each group is completely separate more data that should not on the user when we do not have to okay but would it still like would we still in the logic of it still have continuous ids if we say we take just one meeting like would the display for example still be able to just say i want from whatever from the 1st until the last and everything in between sort of end and the data manager would then display that just for that meeting okay well if that is possible yeah have you currently got continuous ideas for your topic segments i have a moment done the 1st meeting but yeah that is a plan for the topic segment yeah sorry for the time but the idea was that it would be a 10 years i think everything should be like that continuous and chronological order okay is that what you have got because different meeting series overlap i think yeah i think a good job yeah for example as there are not f 0 values for every speaker or sometimes not for every meeting how will i count that up i mean if there is no value i guess yeah ah okay at the moment i do not even generate any document for those but because i mean it is not 0 it is just unknown i might be more sensible to assign an average value would not it be better for the importance measure if that just would not be part of it then there well we would want to use f 0 when it was present no would not we well we would want to use f 0 when it was present yeah that is where is that so you would also say that it should not be part of the importance matter if there is no f 0 yeah well i do not know how we are going to do the fusing of the different ff but of the different importance measures anyway if that is done in the program or if that is done offline does anyone have a good idea like at the moment to play around with it what is a good way of displaying 2 types of information in the color display i mean there is probably logically ways like if one is whatever if one is the darkness and the other it is the redness or something does anyone ever experimented with displaying 2 dimensional information in color then we could do adjustments and wear us probably in the same scale you could use red green and blue this way up for 3 yeah do we really want to just play them separately because the user will not okay for now okay for now yeah for us might be interesting to the user though just the word importance yeah but then the user would have to know about what was what and yeah i think we what and what contributed to the blue stripes and what continue to the right ones i think that would be a good idea but i think probably for us like in developing it it would be interesting yeah so i will try the red green blue what does anyone know but this hue and saturation thing like what is that no nobody is so much color work i do not know how to enjoy it but 0 actually it is not a problem of doing it like i think the trouble is that hue is not a very sensible scale like it comes up to like red 2 or 3 times okay okay well i guess i will just take a look at the photoshop color cube or whatever it is give it color cube and look at or you could just split it into 2 blocks i suppose for now yeah yeah okay so we will produce a version of this which opens up with a dialog box where you can select a file is that right we will be able to do that and then you will get this type of display with that file that is at the moment so are we still talking about using that one meeting that everyone is using now are we talking about swat swapping now there is no reason why it can not swap meetings at a moment there is the data there for it so everyone should produce stuff for the whole corpus now yeah that is a very sensible way for it i think okay we need the explicit information about each meeting then like sort of from which utterance to which utterance it goes and stuff yeah well it is not reading that in yet but that will be part of the data manager as well is anyone is anyone providing that at the moment does anyone yeah there is each utterance that has got an idea associated with it okay okay can we read one program that calculates all the for all our different contributions to the importance measure the absolute dialect act members of the meeting because at the moment we all produce the numbers for each meeting separately well if you yeah just yeah but we should all use the same program i think would prevent us from having too much mistakes in it or at least the mistakes would be consistent yeah it should be consistent yeah i am not sure about as then i just do not understand much about how difficult it is to do to do different things no it is not very difficult i mean i can do it i can read in different importance measures and as long as everything is in the right order it should not like we should even be able to just id it when we are reading it in well we have got the index for converting from vras to you so it should not be a problem yeah it makes it easy to do yeah i have done that for the correlation as well so that was quite easy to go have you got that for no it is just for one meeting at the moment yeah the index is for all the meetings 0 okay sure yeah so if we email out a script on how to like load it so yours would always like yours would always be loaded in i guess like you there would only be one version of your data and you can just overwrite that version if you want but you would not have a file open dialog box for that then no i did not know well that is what i meant is to the point of having it file open so it would be opening those files all the time more sensitive to what would the option be or just so you can configure the location of all your files but when it starts up it should just read them from the default place okay but like so make it an option which one it displays or which one it uses for the summarization or yeah i was just thinking so that both jasmine and where i could see their data working of course there is no reason why we can not make a development version that displays both it has 2 options windows and 2 left to display i mean obviously they would have to pick which one to sync the clock is that not getting too much so it adds another dialog app window is really easy so we would have like each of those components for for jasmine and weirer i would like say if you could make a change to your thing so it could display like it in 2 halves like the top half the bottom half the other yeah or maybe 3 actually maybe top half one bottom half the other and the 3rd one and the average that we can change the parameters for and then yeah i could easily make it yeah i could easily make it throughout 3 different dialog would that not require 3 clocks and no i just have 2 of them not synced up but that also means just that evaluating the data okay because the dialog the display also gets the information about like the relative and the absolute time so that would be convenient if that is just one of that because otherwise it is getting messy so why do not we just make a swap instance why do not we make a switch instead 0 no no it is still good because i do not want to do like 3 internal times guess so it is just getting messy well i guess really i mean like alternatively why do not we go for the simplest thing just create 3 scripts or 2 scripts which load a parameter common line parameter which is which file to load and then it is just there no hold on you would not need 3 internal timescales because only 160 clock okay and the others are all absolute real time are not they that is what is displayed on that the bar it is real time is not it yeah so they would all be in the same time okay would the others 0 you just have 3 summarizes and then they all synced up with one clock no no only one of them syncs okay the other one is just a static dialog act box because it does not really matter they sync up for perfectly evaluating okay okay yep so we have 3 color displays like 3 or i mean not in the final version no no sure or maybe to start with just 2 like without even combining them in any sophisticated way just 2 yeah okay shall we wrap that up sorry i am imposing how easy would it be to make it if you can add arbitrary numbers often you mean discontinuous no like different measures to the display if i have to do it flexibly then i probably then it will not be significantly more difficult but is it worth any effort though i mean well that is the thing it is going to take more than an hour or something because we will never have more than 2 and we will never have well we will either have one or 2 so in the end because you do not have different versions of well i guess you probably would have but then also we would have to find more sophisticated ways of loading it specifying the parameters so that might that is easy because mine can take any number yeah but that we would not so we would have to have some dialog box for opening stuff it might be it might take half an hour in the display not more than that mine i need to make a minor addition the data you can validate it and the summer but it is more or less ready to go with it but it might i think it might not really be worth it to be honest let us work on the other stuff 1st like some of the other stuff and just provide like something where each of them just if there is an adjustment script and a vera script and they each can load their stuff and see their data in the thing they can see it summarized by their data and the other one is the static one that should be fairly easy to do right if i just double the display and you make a non synced up 2nd dialog acts and yeah and then they can fine tune their measures i think it would be cool if we could check the night clock code or whatever code it is for this component and see if we can access those rate things and do something useful with them and get notified when they change and stuff we could just make that rate to be something completely different just disconnect it from whatever it is doing yeah i think yeah i think that is what we should do so the thing is it is probably an easy task to read that rate but it is probably more difficult to get an event automatically when it is changed so that is why we might have to extend night clock and override the function that react to that like the rate is probably a property which in the worst case we would have to set public but if we want to react to it being changed automatically we might have to it does not react to it being changed automatically it only reacts when you press play okay so they have not so you have to stop it okay yeah so it should not like even if we have to extend night clock i mean it should just be a matter of changing one single method in it yeah and just disconnect it from whatever it sends the media player yeah and connect it up to our summarizers at a different length of me yeah because like you could make that not even have like a real sort of meaning just put like max and min and the user can just like set it in between without actually telling them what i actually mean yeah yeah we could justify all sorts of stuff like that in the presentation by saying we deliberately tried to keep any complexity and numbers and stuff away from people i think that is sort of a line we should go by in general sort of saying yeah we could have done us so many it should say -4 times as well that is an incredible nature we do not want to confuse people we give people something simple and colorful where something is moving and where they do not have to deal with any numbers or text or anything like that for that matter in fact that is why we have given you a picture of a dog sitting in a field instead of a meeting browser it is nice and it comes people down so what kind of change will your personal summarization because if we find you according to that and it is not finished it does not make any sense i will not make any huge changes i always have the ability to read your original ones but it might be quite cool to have a combined measure like just a weight in average it is probably more sense for that and possibly thresholding it so at the moment you have got a threshold and everything that is about it is displayed or how do you no it just takes the top like 20 or 50 yeah so it is some kind of threshold that is yeah yeah yeah shall we meet in an hour or so we are probably going to eat something i was going to go to the gym at about 3 okay i was actually i was planning the same but we will not get so much done before 3 that is the thing to be honest like it is much quicker to get stuff done on my own it makes more sense for us to spend a couple of hours dividing up tasks and then do them separately okay listen so why do not we meet after 3 then 1st then i can like until 3 make sure that i have all the display i will be after 4 then because i am going to go at 3 yeah sure yeah so we can meet at 5 and i have the display code ready by then which does the stuff like like having a bar where the position is and stuff and so meet say 5 to 7 that should be enough time yeah because yeah it is much quicker we are both working separately i think because when we have been working together like i have just not got a lot done yeah that is true and like when i go home i spend like the same amount of time and get loads done yeah yeah so we can meet at 5 in apple at 5 in appleton tower and just work on so i will have my display i will make sure that my display does all this we can talk about until then and then we will put those things together i will be working on the search i think it is ready to get started yeah i may as well come and you can show me how the data manager works yeah but i mean like we should discuss together which we like how the search interacts with the rest with the rest so that is not something that colin should just do in his own is it a certain yeah now i do not have any of the other than it but it is a different thing this is a good for a different and a different you know it is just a great and then you know you can do you get a double upon you know what we are done you know and then it is a lot of yeah and yeah but i am just just great and it is one to get out of the and the yeah yeah what do you what do you can we not it is not a problem would you like to make for a day and just taking and it is more and then can we not give up column from because that is what i am going to it has got like a lot of other numbers as well i am i am" ]

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that is the basic idea yeah the basic okay of our prototype okay you thought of some evaluation crit criteria yes okay my name is not name but you are nameless well i used the the documents and these were the most important criteria is it spongy it should be yeah that is how the fashion guys state it fancy look and feel so so just walk through it step by step i mean is it fancy everything i believe well appar i believe it is fancy i believe it is fancy too yeah but apparently we should not evaluate yet no 0 sorry so okay okay so this these are the cr the criteria yeah i think these are the most important criteria okay well so that is about it the then we will switch to my presentation the production costs the costs are not under can i this is the 22 yeah it is it is w way above above the the the €12 50 yikes and what makes it very expensive is for example the solar cell well it is very expensive so i guess we should skip that because it is not that important okay why does the price and and the s 01 exa yeah yeah the the price the the number of items and the the sum the number of yeah okay well this is what i would call our luxury model if you would if you look at the w w w what we could do to make it more and and does it to make it just between the €12 50 then i did the following changes €1240 i came up with by leaving out the solar cells by not using the voice recognition feature because it is it is a €4 addition to the price yeah i believe push button well it makes it the 13 yeah push buttons are buttons are are not the most expensive but do add extra cost so yeah th this design is not within our price model okay but i am afraid it is not complete because we use spec specic special materials the last item and you have not added one item there yeah so it is c way too expensive it is still too expensive yeah but that is that is only for the buttons so the button we can use plastic i i guess if we leave the if we leave this one out 0 and maybe not use the special form and the pla and a plastic b just plastic buttons a plas instead of rubber but it it becomes a very dull remote control i know yes but it is the board decision and yeah well b basically it when when this is our only option we should even consider changing the casing because i think there is very little added value in an enhanced case with these dull functions yeah yeah i know so maybe we should look at an focus on another type of m maybe another market segment yeah m maybe not not all that fancy but just way way more easy basic and m maximize the profits and yeah yes that is maybe that is better yeah maybe we could we should go for straight and simple but that is not what has been asked yeah i know i know so we should kick the board is well yeah although i think we yeah but we could still make a remote control that ap applies more to young people by giving it another color already so it is possible to make a device that attracts a little bit more to young people yes but i agree it is it is not a fancy high tech device definitely not no it is not that innovative or however you s pronounce that yeah too bad so okay 0 this is the wrong one so that means redesign we do not have the time 0 now to to redesign the product but we can evaluate the process and the satisfaction on how things went i am not sure if we need to evaluate the device 1st i guess well since we are not going to manufacture it anyway yeah yeah that is true well maybe it is good to do it anyway because if we evaluate it we we can also determine if our objectives are good we l we can learn yeah yeah so i agree well is it fancy i d it is it is yay is it is it fancy yeah i think so the yellow rubber i think so i think so you like the rubber roo i am into it so one but it is not that fancy yeah no i will i will i will give it a 2 i mean i think i think it would have been more fancy if we used the titanium housing the casing it would be even more 0 you really like titanium you like tita i am i am into it that is a flavor as well it has flavor yes that is right right you should taste it is it yeah i know but but it but that is fancy in the way i mean fancy has has a lot of it has to do with fashion i guess yeah so do it is trendy trendy fun yeah and w yeah w what they want wanted was colors and soft materials so in that way yeah it applies it yeah it it is fancy well just give it a 2 okay yeah yes i think i th i think it would have been i would have think it could have been more fancy by using the double curved case it is not the ultimate fancy 2 but it would have been even more fancy but we decided not to because if we use a double curved case we could not use solar yeah but that is sti that is so looking at the user needs we only do not we do not have the double curved case we w we do have the rubber we do have the colors that is 2 out of 3 yes so i believe we are close to 2 yeah i i agree yes i agree too it is okay we did yes we did good okay and was it innovative well with the voice recognition feature and but that is not in it yep ov or can we no we are evaluating this this design now well let us let us this product okay so i i i think it is this prototype i think it is innovative yeah and the scroll wheel the solar not many remotes have the solar i think no it could have been a little bit more innovative u by using the kinetic energy source but it is it is way too yes but yeah and that would have been a thrill so also a 2 i think it is a 2 yep is it easy to use i am not sure yeah i am not sure well yeah the voice recognition of course is hard to learn i think well hard it is not for the for the e for the elderly well but there are 2 parts in this remote control they will not use it what you see here is is the basic part everybody can use it so that is easy to use yeah that is for a novice user when you have a more advanced elaborate user well such a user really would like to explore all these additional functions so in that in that way it is advanced yeah and i think it is easy to use for for both types of users so i think it is maybe it is not very easy for i think a 3 would not give it more i am doubting doubting as well well the p the most important function is easy to use yeah the the zapping channel switching volume but the more advanced functions are probably a bit harder okay 2 or 3 3 wha wh what would be your guess i mean ease of use does not only apply to the most basic functions okay it is the it is it is overall is the device easy to use yeah that is right you are right in that but i i guess an advanced user will will find the voice recognition function easy to use yeah because he is already he or she is already an advanced user yeah so after all i think personally i would give a 2 but okay roo a 3 yep ruud good question i will go for the 2 okay so it is 22 and 3 23s so that is 10 so i could make it e easy if you make it a 4 it will be 3 in general so that is w no 25 if he makes it a 4 6 and 4 not a 3 6 and 4 is 10 divided by 4 is 25 so darn nee yes roo huh a 7 a 3 no yeah a 4 and a 3 together i yeah 4 yeah you have a 2 he has a 2 yeah 223 2 3 and a 3 no i have not said anything yet no nee i know okay but if i would say a 3 then it is 6 and 4 is 10 divided by 4 divided by 4 is 25 yes so if you want to have the conclusion as a 33 then you would make a 4 if you fill out a 4 that is not even but i am filling in a 3 does it will so it will be a 25 but that is not possible to fill in so we have to round it yes it is i have a veto exactly it is not about the content it is about okay is it easy to f is it easy to find yeah definitely yes yeah we have not re re really worked it out but you c you can you can just say find and he repeats find it it most definitely is it is very easy yeah or beeps or yeah yeah but that is the that is the the basic idea of the the speaker yes maybe i i think i think something like that i am here i am here maybe you have to program it once so to that l respond to a certain word or a certain sentence yeah yeah something like where are you and then it will sing i am here but even without it yeah so something like that so i th well i we should not stay too long on this subject because of the time but i personally give it a one yeah sebastian yeah me too me too yeah i agree right well the feel of the remote control is spongy well it can not be more spongy so well it can be there are cases in which the outside casing is can be how d how do you prono is is moldable was it one of our options no it is not one of our option but when you look in the market when you look no this this was a most spongy option no okay but but so in the in for the options given it is the most spongy one yes but that is not that is not what they are talking about i think yeah because we compare all these characteristics characteristics with market with with the real market yeah so there are remote controls out there which are a lot more spongy yeah they are out there but i think in this case in this case we have done the best we could they are out there yes but it is not good enough so it is a 2 yeah i will give it a one i wan i will take one you take one what do you give it well yeah it depends cause it is the most spongy we could but yeah yeah i know but you have to name a fig a number because we need to go on in for the time well if i give it a one it will be a one there will be one hell of a calculation so i will just give it a 2 and make this a one5 no no no i will i will change it i will make it m my my mark will be a 4 you are okay the remote control offers enough features well ruud what what do you think about it well the basic layout does not offem offer much but the voice recognition could add a lot so basically it is it is completely programmable yeah depends yeah you can add very m much functionality by using the voice recognition mode yeah i know so it is quite advanced what what we did not talk about is yeah but it ha does not has the digits i believe it is if you ask yourself it offers enough features i do not i do not think it is it has all the features a normal remote has i think it has depends on what you implement in the speech feat yeah bec because you can we did not talk about it but you do have remote controls that are able to adapt another signal yes so you place a a regular remote control in front of the other one hit the one or the 2 or the 3 whatever and it r records the the the the signals has the signals sent to it signal yeah so you could enter any comment you like as long it is able to as long as our device is able to reproduce the infrared signal so i think th this this is a a remote control with a very high level of features absolutely although there are i a few buttons but the inside is is quite advanced yes but that that is its power i guess because a regular programmable remote control contains well really a lot of buttons yeah at at least 40 buttons yeah so it is it is quite s complicated to get to get used to and this is quite s simple you can use your voice to to program it yep it is yeah okay let us give it a number i will give it a one for for the for this t type of market i think it is a one i will give a 2 yeah i will give it a one i think think a one cause v with a voice recognition you could add anything you want so that is like yes i i have i think we have succe succeed in in developing a product that is actually quite good but not for this kind of market and not for this kind of price so yeah so high quality low acceptance the product is is is b high qua has a high quality and and is advanced yes but whether or not our clients are are willing to pay €25 for this kind of device is doub is well is not sure d do you agree yes i agree maybe even because it does not look advanced i yeah yeah okay maybe we should have a radar function but yes but we could could not what what is the selling price 50 €25 25 and costs were 1250 yeah but even now if only our production costs w were exceeded the double think production cost was were t was 22 so selling price would be yeah m about €50 that is quite ex well it is not it is not very expensive for a remote control that that has this functionality that is price but w w no an original remote control of any t v kind a phillips remote control y you pay yes it is more than €50 it is quite expensive yes yeah i kn i know from a few years ago it it it costed 100 gilders bu but well yeah i know but you are paying for th for the brand because there are remote controls which control your stereo television d v d c d player for under €25 yes yes but you can you c yes but you can learn this thing all these functions and it is easier to use because those remote controls do not offer voice recognition and this one does yeah yeah so i think it is worth its price okay you had an overall rating yeah but with these ratings that is counting well it is it is about one5 should be about one point s 7 yeah 4678 something like that okay 9 divided by 6 okay we will go further on with the the rest of the evaluation about the project itself not about the product what did you think about the process the project process ruud try to translate that well any any other roo well i think yeah i think ye roo the process was good but w we were not aware of the prices of the costs yeah and and that was the the big deal i if we knew that before we c we could have made the the choice between what yeah actually we had better decision yes we had we had too little information actually yeah so and the the the well looking at room for creativity there was w way too the the choice of components was way too narrow less so there was not really a process of yeah so we could we we could be we could have been creative but it was tempered by the choice of components and the the price well yes the prices well in the 1st meeting we we already were very creative we we thought of possibilities who are not possible with the the current offer of manufacturing components yeah so yeah we are tempered by that yes okay roo any other thoughts on that no no ruud i agree you agree okay leadership fantastic okay roo is on for his promotion yeah okay okay i think we are a good team i think so too it is it is it is of course a laboratory environment i missed it to be able to contact you in between and say hey roo yes yeah well i tried once but that was not allowed yeah so yeah but but si w w w when taken in account the the situation i think we performed pretty well i think so too yeah yeah the means the smartboard the digital pen did you like em the digital pen was okay but smartboard was really bad yeah it it is because of the response or the response is very slow and the possibilities are very limited response and it is not accurate okay it it has yeah yeah it is not accurate the p the pointing of the pen is not the place where it it writes its where it draws yeah where it draws it is the drawing on on the b on the board is r right from the pen okay so it it had to be so you to take in account that your you m yeah better aligned or what is the word yeah maybe it is it needs to be calibrateds it is too slow it it was calibrated just before this meeting the one before the 3rd meeting it is okay so it is not the calibration it is the thing itself i think okay ruud w did you use the pen a lot or not at all no not at all not really okay i thought it was quite a handy thing although i would like to see 0 c r i i think so too yes yep yes if it has 0 c r i think i would use but i i just took notes for myself and and and that is it yeah it w it w yeah it was necessary for me to to digitize them yeah because if i want something on the computer i just type it yeah i type faster than i write so yeah but i think it is a great solution for for a known problem writing down some notes some some inf information and then forgetting your notebook somewhere and losing all that information yeah because you have everything in one place and it is quite easy quite easy it is it is possible to make this information digital and share it with others in a quite easy way yeah i think it is a good product i only think it is th the the shape of the pen is too big yeah it is not quite ergonomic economic eco ergonomic i know yeah okay what w ruud what did you think about the smartboards 0 i only use it to draw a rabbit so can not say much about it yeah okay you can not really decide no i missed a feature to easily select a slide and distribute it to the laptops i think that would be very easy if you could say okay i want to use this for my own work or my own presentation further on or yes no or the other way around yeah or the other way around that you could show but m yes yes that is quite what powerpoint does but y you can if you save this image you can open it in your shared work folder yeah i know i know but so it is almost yeah i know but we could not use that feature so i missed it yep we were not able to do that at least the i was not explained how to do such a th a and the function of of filling an an an oval or an an object an object yes yes the drawing cap capabilities are very limited i it is not possible yeah okay and and w you were when you are using windows you are used to a certain interface and certain buttons which you can use for drawing yeah and a lot of these buttons do not appear here so it is 0 it looks like paint actually okay so y it it is not even as advanced as paint not not n not way yeah it is quite limited okay no yeah the project is evaluated but well we need to redesign the product okay 0 very good celebration celebrate pop pop up the champagne great it was a privilege working with you okay you are dismissed no i think we are ready okay to private rooms i see some action over there private room roo that sounds quite scary okay no let us find the way to we are done we are finished i believe so are there any more cycles in this process i think not i do not believe so well maybe we would get an email thank you for your but how much time did we get for this meeting 40 minutes and how much time is left a minute or or 10 maybe m yeah 10 or 5 10 minutes okay okay so we can redesign our i would like to well i think we we we all know what the redesign should be a simple dull one colored box and no added value no it is it is just the same product that is already on the market at all so 0 but you see the problem y you can not continue your your line yeah well it is fluffy alright spongy what is that a giraffe yeah it is a giraffe eating a eating leaves from a tree it is blue tongue in interesting design yeah this is a new model but so you are actually promoting bluetooth or blue tongue blue tongue 0 it it does have a natural feeling it is spongy so yeah that is it is a new feature next to bluetooth to disable all bluetooth devices blue tongue okay right let us wrap it up yeah we are done here gentlemen thank you for your cooperation thank you mister manager now let us have a bottle of champagne yes that is alright" ]

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[ "you know you know you know you know you know you know you know just the same as the same as on the top of it with the round the round of it like this one but we do not we do not we do think it is well it is for ease of use which prefers the which the customer of the user prefers i think this device which has a learning curve novish users use this device as normal users use a remote control and after a while they start to develop some skills in the voice recognition functions and then they will not use this dial as often but other users who are new to this device needs something like that they need to understand how to change channels and change the volume so it is easier for them could i see the scroll bar as a sort of shortcut yeah maybe so and the voice recognition as well maybe you could well it is another approach it is more that are as in vilweigen and rome there are many ways of doing things on such a device it is quite easy okay good and the case is rubber yes rubber and the buttons elastic or rubber okay and the coloring yellow with yellow with gray or black gray or black or something like that whatever cost the least okay we will come to that layer okay anything else to add or no maybe we should think about these buttons yeah well you could use 2 of them to program the channels on the 2 channel button yes but these are tasks that are only executed once i think yeah but maybe you do want a program button to for example activate the voice recognition or train the voice or train the voice recognition that is right and a button for disabling the voice recognition yeah although by pressing the button for i do not know 2 or 3 seconds you could also say you disable it with a little beep yeah but okay that is not really really important this is the basic idea the basic okay our prototype okay you thought of some evaluation criteria yes okay my name is not name you are nameless well i used the earlier documents and these for the most important criteria it should be fancy it is spongy yeah that is how the fashion guy stated fancy look and feel so just walk through it step by step i mean it is fancy everything i believe i believe it is fancy i believe it is fancy too but apparently we should not evaluate yet 0 sorry okay okay these are the criteria i think these are the most important criteria okay well so that is about it then we will switch to my presentation the production costs the costs are not under this is the 22 it is way above the €12 50 and what makes it very expensive is for example the solar cell so i guess we should skip that because it is not that important okay what is the price and the sum 01 yeah the price the number of items and the sum okay well this is what i would call our luxury model if you look at the what we could do to make it more to make it just between the €12 50 then i did the following following changes €1240 i came up with by leaving out solar cells by not using the voice recognition feature because it is a it is a €4 addition to the price yeah i believe push button well it makes it 13 yeah push buttons are not the most expensive but do add extra costs so yeah this design is not within our price model okay but i am afraid it is not complete because we use special materials the last item and you have not added one item there so it is way too expensive it is still too expensive yeah but that is only for the buttons i guess if we leave the if we leave this one out 0 and maybe not use the special form and a plastic button instead of rubber it becomes a very dull remote control i know but it is the board decision and yeah well basically when this is our only option we should even consider changing the casing because i think there is very little added value in an enhanced case with these dual functions yeah i know maybe we should look at a focus on another type yeah maybe not all that fancy but just way way more easy basic and maximize the profits and maybe that is better maybe we should go for straight and simple but that is not what has been asked i know i know so we should kick the boards wow yeah although i think we can i think we could still make a remote control that applies more to young people by giving it another color already so it is possible to make a device that attracts a little bit more to young people but i agree it is not a fancy high tech device definitely not it is not that innovative or however you pronounce that so okay 0 this is the wrong one so that means redesign so that means redesign we do not have the time now to redesign the product but we can evaluate the process and the satisfaction on how things went i am not sure if we need to evaluate the device 1st i guess well since we are not going to manufacture it anyway yeah yeah that is true well maybe it is good to do it anyway because if we evaluate we can also determine if our objectives are good yeah so i agree well is it fancy it is it is it is yay yay is it is it fancy yeah i think so the yellow rubber i think so you like the rubber at all i am into it so one yeah it is not that fancy no i will give you the 2 i think i think it would have been more fancy if we use the titanium housing the casing it would be you liked it 0 you really i am into it that is the flavor as well it has flavor yes that is right it should taste it right yeah i know but that is fancy in the way i mean fancy has a lot of it has to do with fashion i guess so do trendy trendy what they want was it was colors and soft materials so in that way it applies it is fancy just give it a 2 yeah i think it would have been i would have been more fancy by using the double curved case it would have been even more fancy but we decided not to because if we use the double curved case we could not use solar so looking at the user needs we do not have the double curved case we do have the rubber we do have the colors it is 2 out of 3 yes i believe we are close to 2 i agree yes i agree too it is okay we did it okay and was it in the event well with the voice recognition feature and but that is not in it or can we no we are evaluating this design now this prototype i think it is i think it is innovative and the scroll wheel the solar not many remotes have the solar i think it could have been a little bit more innovative by using the kinetic energy source that would have been a thrill yes but also a i think it is a to is it easy to use i am not sure i am not sure well yeah the voice recognition of course is hard to learn i think well hard it is not for the elderly they will not use it there are 2 parts in this remote control what you see here is the base is the basic part everybody can use it so that is easy to use that is for a novice user when you have a more advanced a leveraged user well such a user really would like to explore all these additional functions so in that way it is advanced and i think it is easy to use for both types of users i think it is maybe it is not very easy for i think a 3 would not give it more i am doubting as well the most important function is easy to use yeah the zapping channel switching volume but the more advanced functions are probably a bit harder okay 2 or 3 3 what would be your guess i mean ease of use does not only apply to the most basic functions it is overall is the device easy to use yeah that is right you are right in that but i guess an advanced user will find the voice recognition function easy to use because he is already he or she is already an advanced user so i think personally i would give the 2 2 but okay at all 3 yeah root good question i will go for the 2 okay 2 and 323 so that is so i could make it make it make it 4 so that will be 3 in general no 25 if you make it a 4 if you make it a 4 6 and 4 is 10 divided by 4 is 25 so darn no yes rule 7 3 no 4 and a 3 together 4 yeah you have a 2 2 3 no i have not said anything yet no okay but if i would say a 3 then it is 6 and 4 is 10 divided by 4 is 25 so if you want to have the conclusion as a 33 then you would make a 4 if you fill out a 4 but i am filling in a 3 so it will be a 25 but that is not possible to fill in so we have to round it i have a video exactly it is not about the content it is about okay is it easy to find yeah definitely have not really worked it out but you can just say find and he repeats find yeah or beeps or yeah yeah but that is the basic idea of the speaker i am here i am here something like that maybe you have to program it once to respond to a certain word or a certain sentence something like where are you and then it will sing i am here yeah something like that well we should not stay too long on this subject because of the time but i personally give it a one sebastian yeah me too me too right well the feel of the remote control is spongy well it can not be more spongy so well it can be there are cases in which the outside casing can be how do you was that one of our options no it is not one of our options no okay when you look in the market for the options given it is the most spongy ones yes but that is not what they are talking about i think because we compare all these characteristics with the real market so there are remote controls out there which are a lot more spongy they are out there in this case we have done the best we could yes but it is not good enough so it is a 2 i will give it a one i will give it a one i will take one you take one what do you give it well yeah it depends because it is the most spongy we can yeah i know but you have to name a figure a number because we need to go on in for the time well if i give it one it will be a one there will be one health calculations so i will just give it 2 and make this a one5 no no no i will change it i will make it my mark will be a 4 you are okay the remote control offers enough features well ruth what do you think about it well the basic layout does not offer much but voice recognition could add a lot basically it is completely programmable you can add very much functionality by using the voice recognition mode yeah i know it is quite advanced what we did not talk about is it does not have the digits i believe it is if you ask yourself it offers enough features i do not think it has all the features a normal remote has i think it has it depends on what you yeah because you can we did not talk about it but you do have remote remote controls that are able to adapt another signal so you place a regular remote control in front of the other one hit the one or the 2 or the 3 whatever and it records the series the signals the signals so you could enter any comment you like as long as our device is able to reproduce to reproduce the infrared signal so i think that this is a remote control with a very high level features absolutely although there are a few buttons but the inside is quite advanced that is it about i guess because a regular programmable remote control contains well a really a lot of buttons at least 40 buttons so it is quite complicated to get used to and this is quite simple simple you can use your voice to to program it it is yeah okay let us give it a number i will give it a one for for for this type of markets i think it is a one i will give it a 2 i will give it a one i think one because with the voice recognition you could add anything you want so that is like yes i think we have succeed in developing a product that is actually quite good but not for this kind of markets and not for this kind of price so yeah so high quality low acceptance the product is is is high quality and and this advanced yes but whether or not our clients are are willing to pay €25 for this kind of device is not sure do you agree yes i agree maybe even because it does not look advanced yeah maybe we should have a radar function we could not what was the selling price 50 25 25 and costs were 1250 but even now if only our production cost production costs were exceeded the double i think production cost was worth it was 22 so selling price would be about €50 yeah that is quite expensive it is not very expensive for remote control that has this functionality an original remote control of any tv kind phillips remote control you pay more than €50 it is quite expensive and i know from a few years ago it costs a 100 yeah i know but you are paying for the brand because there are remote controls which control your stereo television dvd cd player for under €25 yes but you can learn this thing all these functions and it is easier to use because those remote controls do not offer voice recognition and this one does so i think it is worth its price okay you had an overall rating yeah but that is counting these ratings yeah well it is about to be about one5 something like that okay 95 okay we will go further on with the rest of the evaluation about the project itself not about the product what did you think about the process the project process ruth yeah i try to translate that any other i think the process was good but we were not aware of the prices of the cost and that was the big deal if we knew that before we could have made the choice between better decisions we had too little information actually and well looking at room for creativity there was way to the choice of components was way too narrow so that was not really a process of so we could we could have been creative but it was tempered by the choice of components and the price the price in the 1st meeting we already were very creative we we thought of possibilities who are not possible with the current offer of manufacturing ring components so yeah we are tempered by that yes okay rule any other thoughts on that no no i agree okay leadership fantastic okay rules on for his promotion a good team i think so too it is it is it is of course a laboratory environment i missed it to be able to contact you in between yes yeah and say eruel ga you my broocheteer i tried once but that was not allowed so yeah but yeah but when taking in account the situation i think we performed pretty well i think so too yeah the means the smart board the digital pen did you like them the digital pen was okay but the smart board was really bad yeah because of the response or the response is very slow and the possibilities are very limited it is not accurate okay it has yeah yeah it is not accurate the pointing of the pen is not the place where it writes where it draws yeah where it draws it is the drawing on the board is right from the pen okay so it had to be to take a line or what is the word yeah maybe it needs to be calibrated it was calibrated just before this meeting the one before the 3rd meeting okay so it is not the calibration it is the thing itself i think rude did you use the pen a lot use the pen a lot not at all not at all not really okay i thought it was quite a handy thing although i would like to see ocr yeah if it has ocr i think i would use but i just took notes for myself and that is it it was necessary for me to to digitize them yeah because if i want something i am not the computer i just typed it yeah i typed faster than that i write so but i think it is a great solution for a for a known problem writing down some notes some information and then forgetting your note block somewhere yeah losing all that information because you have everything in one place and it is quite easy quite easy it is it is possible to make this information digital and share it with others quite easy way i think it is a good product i only think it is the shape of the pen is too big yeah it is not quite ergonomies egonomic i know yeah okay what rude what did you think about the smart boards well i only use it to draw a rabbit yeah okay you can not really decide i can not say much about it no i missed a feature to to easily select a slide and distribute it to the laptops i think that would be very easy if you could say okay i want to use this for my own work or my own presentation further on or the other way around or the other way around that you could show but that is quite what powerpoint does if you save this image you can open it in your shared work folder i know but so it is almost i know but we could not use that feature so i missed it so i missed it yeah we were not able to do that at least i was not explained how to do such and the function of filling an oval or an object the drawing capabilities are very limited okay and when you are using windows you are used to a certain interface and certain buttons which you can use for drawing and a lot of these buttons do not appear here so it looks like paint it is not even as advanced as paint not in a way it is quite limited okay no yeah the project is evaluated but well we need to redesign the product a very good celebration it was a privilege for working with you you are dismissed now i think we are ready okay so private rooms i see some action over there private room at all that sounds quite scary okay now let us find out the way to you the whole of the whole of the the end up we are done we are finished i believe so are there any more cycles in this process i think not i do not believe so well maybe we get an email thank you for your but how much time did we get for this meeting 14 minutes and how much time is left a minute or 10 maybe 10 minutes yeah 10 or 5 okay okay so we can redesign our i would like to well i think we all know what the redesign should be a simple dull one colored box no added value no it is just the same product that is already on the market you see the problem you can continue your line well it is fluffy right feel right sponchy what is that a giraffe yeah it is a giraffe eating leaves from a tree it is a blue tongue interesting design yeah this is a new model so you are actually promoting bluetooth or blue tongue blue tongue it does have a natural feeling so it is spongy it is a new feature next to bluetooth to disable all bluetooth devices okay right let us wrap it up yeah we are done here gentlemen thank you for your cooperation thank you mister manager now let us have a bottle of champagne yes that is we are going to be here that is we i think it no that was a microphone that we are going to sing with listening with the" ]

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[ "okay okay everyone is ready hello so we are here for for functional design okay so we are here for the functional design meeting so 1st i will show the agenda so we will i will take notes during this meeting so i will try to summarize it and put that summary in the shared folder if you want to look at it afterwards so then each of you will lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so user requirement specification technical function design and working design then i will present you some new project requirements i received from the management board then we will take the decision on on the remote control needed functions and then i will assign you the task for the next part of the meeting of the of the process so who want to start the the presentation of what they did f do you want to start make a start yeah you can start so cable camera you have powerpoint should be in my in their folder no ah yeah maybe there up okay who are you at 3 i think no ouch and okay we have a technical problem do we think w s in the in the wrong folder maybe it is possible you put it on no it was somewhere in something like this i do not remember the name actually must be something like messenger ami or something what do you have in short cut go up participant 2 yeah go up yeah again no go back you have no maybe messenger ami messenger over okay no there is nothing there is no we have a technical problem let us go and check yeah i will go and check otherwise could you just describe by hand okay with the the whiteboard yeah if you remember yeah but that is yeah so basically what we want here is a remote control right yeah so the question well 1st of all what to control so most people want to have a a remote for their hi fi and t v and stuff like that and but other people want th also remotes for controlling and toys like robotic pets and little robots and stuff and other people also want to have remotes for controlling whole house yeah yeah so there is a project i think called x house or something like that that does that you can integrate your remote with computers stuff so there is one that is one thing the other is the the finder feature yeah by whistling or whatever if you have the finder feature then you can also have okay at the same time as and general voice commands if you want yeah so i think it should be a package in that case so the user interface will consist of 2 parts one is the voice command part and on one is the actual buttons part and th the buttons part would be a set of buttons for choosing devices a set of buttons for special navigation in space a set of buttons for linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access okay yeah what do you mean by linear access then like a video tape goes forward backwards fast and stuff yeah ah okay so special navigation linear access random access and there is a 4th one no so the better now for special navigation yeah for special navigation for example you might have a t v in the menu and you going to change yeah okay then linear access then random access yeah and also parameter changing ah yeah parameter okay so if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for that or maybe we could have everything generic but there are a lot of remotes on the market right now and basically this is most of the almost everybody has this stuff okay okay okay and and voice command did you voice command w we could specify anything we could assign any button a command to any button if we have enough processing power i guess so okay okay yeah okay yeah so that is that close your investigations yeah yeah i think so okay not so far okay maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with yeah i dunno if you can open the m is not here i dunno if i can open it maybe you can s it is in yeah okay messenger no no in document computer yeah in which folder where did you put it here here short cut to ami shared folder but it is not maybe you can send it to me by email just to participant one at ami yeah i can do that i will try to show it to everyone that would be more comfortable okay you send it it is participant one yeah this is this email i am designing the user interface okay you can okay so maybe i can switch slides when you whenever you ask that will be more convenient yeah so okay functional requirements okay so you can you can go okay so in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among 100 subjects and the subjects also filled a questionnaire okay yeah and here i have the results so you can see that 75% of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more more nice more kind 80 per cents of users would spend more money when the remote control would look fancy 8000% of users would spend more money when the remote control would look 0 to it is not good so okay so it is not in theory but i i can i can say yeah we can just keep doing that yeah 50 f 75% of users say they s zap a lot so we have to have a remote control very out for that the buttons have are to be like you say resist resisting to to shocks okay and 50 per cents of users say they only use 10 per cents of but of the buttons in the in the remote control okay so all the buttons we we have to put are have to to have a use a real use and not only or okay okay so fewer buttons maybe would be good yeah f not many buttons and and u useable buttons okay but what kind of remote controls did you look at sorry what kind of task was it it was a t v yeah most for most is t v yeah yeah but in fact we it it seems that we are going to make a t v remote control according to new requirements i received from the management bo i will present them in the following huh huh ah good kay you can go so okay so there are other frustrations expressed by users so they said they lost often the remote control in in the room so they want to have a way to to yeah to find it to find it yeah and lot of the time they it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control yeah so they want something s really very simple and easy to use okay and remote controls are bad for what is her other side r s i i dunno other side yeah yo wa your wrist it i can become painful you can have tendonditis 0 yeah yeah i did not knew that if you also up on a computer in a strange position okay so you we have to make it more ergonomic yeah ergonomic but have to say ha ha yeah it is your job 0 sorry got a message from microsoft okay before that i i have some some some thing to say before yeah yeah yeah we know that the user use a lot their remote control to to change channel yeah and to to change volume selection of the and and not a lot for setting for setting the the channels and thing things like that okay yeah okay so it is better to put something very easy to set and and yeah this function should be very accessible very accessible yes yeah okay that is right this is the main function okay so then we asked some questions to them and we asked this question if they prefer an l c d screen or on their remultific function remotes control and if they pay more for speech recognition in remote control and you can go we have here the results of yeah yeah yeah the 1st question of the questions so you know that for the younger it is very important to have l c d and voice to have the s yes and speech recognition and and the others is not so important but we know that people between 15 and 25 are people who watch a lot t v and who who wh can use a lot this okay so maybe we we can have a speech recognition in yeah maybe this this is important yeah moreover th maybe those like those teenager customer could advice their parents to buy this equipment and so we can we have to take care of that point of view i think or so yeah okay and if there is th the conclusion now so as we say before i think a remote control lightening in the dark it is it is a good thing okay not to many mud buttons like we we said before e easy to use a way to find it easily in the room and resistant to to shock and to to yeah okay an i s no yeah okay these are the user requi i dunno if you see something else important or i am just thinking of some thing yeah we want to have a no i do not know if this is a good idea we want to have a a general remote control for everything no no no we w it seems that we no want to have a t v remote control okay from the management board i receive an email yeah cos it would be costly and and also it it would take more time to develop to have a a general generic remote control yeah yeah yeah yeah i it is not true i think the the 2nd claim that you put no no that it would be too long to develop yeah i think that should be the same 0 yeah because i received that email from management board and they seems to tell that that if we want to be on the market as early as possible we should focus on t v more where it seems that the market is more important so maybe it is a good decision i dunno what is your opinion i have i have no idea i mean i should know a bit more about how fast we can design it i do not think yeah finish tonight yeah okay but basically yeah maybe i can continue with my presentation it would be al you you but i think we have some technical problem or so yeah okay yeah yeah so i am just going to describe briefly what we do in the remote control maybe you can go to the whiteboard if you have some drawings to do i do not know if fact yeah but do i have 0 yeah now i have enough cables like a you feel a bit like a dog with this stuff okay so i am just going to describe in fact for for a remote control this is quite easy we just have sorry i am going okay are you okay like that i am just going to describe basically we have a a battery a power supply here after that we just have user interface let us say that something like that which could be a l c d let us say or an array of push button something like that push button or a l c d after that we we feed that into an electronic chip so i say u c and i feed that to l e d which is infrared which is a an infrared component and so what we for for myself this for for us this is quite easy u c is the central unit yeah okay yeah y it is a it is this just a chip which does all the numerical computation numerical computation according to your display okay and so for us this is quite easy we just need to take to define what we want to do when the user interface wants something and after that we just do the coding to s and send that to to to the not the to the television okay so for us this is quite easy okay so this is quite easy yeah we just have to define the processing power that we need especially if we want to do some speech recognition there is not that much constraints in that case that mean that we are going to use more for simple this will think this will take more time to develop also yeah of course of course yeah and but for a standard one this is really easy it is a question of one month and so on s soon to have a you s you speak about with voi voice control no no no no i say yeah standard standard remote control takes maybe one month to to do that standard button one yeah so the only time problem is the sp voice recognition yeah yeah definitely yeah so do you have any idea of how long it would take to have voice recognition now 10 years i would say i would say about 8 months to have the 1st results okay so i it is a bit long yeah yeah i can one month for the standard one with button yeah even if we have a l c d display yeah even i mean that this is really standard devices now 8 for speech recognition okay yeah okay so we can take this into account so who think it would be good to go for like speech recognition but we do not have time to market yeah it will and also how much i think i think we should contact management during the kickoff meeting you say that we we should not we should not go up to €125 per unit so how many units should we sell to have a euros yeah yeah well well each unit is is sell €25 yeah but how many yeah how muc how much do you get how much do you if you buy 1000000 units h no 100000 units eh chips we are going to need chips right yeah yeah how much will it cost for 100000 usually this is less tha at $2 per chip okay because we are so you have any idea for a powerful one that has good enough for do speech recognition yeah we can yeah okay so no it does not it seems that that we want to sell like 4000000 units from the 1st meeting okay 4000000 okay maybe we can we can look at the new requirement i receive from the management board and discus discuss all function we want to have i just had a question do you want to continue with your presenta yeah i i will continue is it well ask your question if you want you say that i do not remember by heart but 30% of the tested people say that is it is quite difficult to to to use the remote control yeah do they say that this is difficult but for the same reason or do they have other reason 0 to to maybe to keep in mind maybe to access to that menu you should do something like that would j yeah w i i think they they say that it is difficult to learn how to use it but i when you know how to use it it is it is okay okay and but it is not intuitive 1st yeah but yeah maybe and what about if we design a remote control which can be configure as you want you say that i want i have 6 button mh a a lot of people are if you have the l c d screen if you can do it completely the way you want because the buttons also look the way you want them but it will be hard to configure i mean imagine i so it is really something for the expert user yeah yeah yeah but but also it seems that yeah yeah okay so i mean there are markets and markets i think the young people are th are christine here said you have a it is yeah yeah yeah so for our young people it will be cool they can be able to use it th maybe their parents will not but they will configure it i guess i do not know if there is study about that yeah maybe it would be more complex to configure it to be simple than creating a simple product yeah yeah yeah and there are another thing is that if we make something that is simple and easy to use that is bas to use immediately that means that it will be exactly the same as everything else yeah yeah all right yeah otherwise if it is different then of course everybody has somebody has to learn to use it 1st yeah yeah but also we we see that that most people find it find remote controls too complex because they have too many buttons and they mainly use only channels and volume buttons so we may just make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons and maybe also yeah some lightning stuff too because most people find also hard to to find the remote control losed lose it etcetera these these are these 2 points are the main frustrations so maybe if we design something very simple and easy to find when lost it will add a serious competitive advantage without making something too complex and too long to develop so but le let us see 1st the new requirement so we do not have to so this this is is in the this is in the same direction as we were speaking so we do not have to make a very complex remote controls to access teletext and stuff like that but teletext is just one button yeah but then you have to you have to define the buttons to surf amongst pages and stuff you you just write the write the numbers yeah so well so will you add with the channel keys right yeah so so anyway we do not have to include this feature because it is it is not used any more by users they prefer to s i am i am sure that it do not like but i do not see just one button yeah so i dunno if i one button is still one more button if if if we want to make it very simple we have to reduce number of buttons compared to th to our competitors well anyway i have this point we can discuss also so as as i told before it would be better if it is only for the t v because we want to be quick on on the market and then also we have to make very clear that this this remote control is is part of of our products and show our corporate logo and and colors on the on the design as well so that they identify it as one of our product so this is the the key point so before finishing we can define what would be the characteristic of the 0 th of the control of the remote control and which button do we need which function do we want etcetera capital so do you so so from from the the marketing expert i think a key aspect is the easy to use aspect it should be very simple and most button are never used only 10% of the button are are used often so i think we have to do something very simple and i think we all agree on that point no well if it is going to be just a t v remote control it is going to be very simple yeah okay so yeah the key point here is simple maybe so few buttons channel volume control and what el what function do you see well if it is going to be as simple as possible then just have the remote control there is no other function that i can see in addition to that really yeah maybe switch t v on and off no you want to keep television on so that the advertising can revenue can come back to us yeah or something yeah volume maybe a mute button and then on off button and that is all i know that som you say that many people are doing plenty of a lot of zapping i know tha i discovered that when i did a quick look they do now som they do something which is quite nice now you have a button you you press it and this is the previous channel which has come back it is a memory yeah okay yeah this is cool maybe we can include that also previous previous channel button so we have like channel button the previous channel button the volume button plus a mute button and just the the traditional on off button and and of course the channel changing buttons yeah i i talk about that yeah how should they how should we implement that because could be numerical only or could be also incremental yeah incremental definitely because zapping you you switch them let us say that we can do something like that this is incremental but once you press it for a long time you go 5 by 5 we go faster to go fa to go faster it is an interesting idea that if you press it for a long time it does something else in general so if you you have your 10 buttons for the for the numeric the numerical buttons and you have instead of having just one memory yeah you have if you press them for a long time no does not work does it maybe we should have also a digit button maybe we should have a complete keyboard and just type console commands yeah change channel to 8 maybe we have also to have digits or only incremental no i dunno bec because if you have the well if it is useful like if if you want to change between 3 channels for example then you h you cannot you cannot cannot work with just memory being incremental yeah because you have your previous channel button if you have incremental only it is not it is not worth it because the previous channel is eith either -one or +one yeah yeah yeah so i think we need also digits okay maybe we we can make very obvious the channel and volume button button and smaller button down there with the the digits yeah when you zap usually you will have to press the same button all the time and yeah or we can do something like that we can design the remote control to have access yeah you know some remote control have protection and so you you y yeah hey i just thought this thing there is a i mean you know there is are some with a wheel like this you instead of having the up down buttons for you can have the wheel yeah yeah a kind of joystick yeah yeah maybe we can have a wheel for incremental yeah okay so have a wheel for incremental have the digits on the lower side that can be closed so as you say protected and yeah i think this is the basi on the lower side i think it you have to turn it no and do we do we have a if we do that or a or a ball yeah not a a wheel but a ball and you say to no a wheel is better yeah i would say the wheel is better because of that what is the expert of yeah because it is it is it is not like a volume which is smooth yeah the channels change one by one yeah so you have to the user has to like to should feel the the the discrete sense a bit yeah the yeah okay yeah yeah that is a good idea well also we have to decide so it should be lightening in the dark i think because most people lost their remote control is quite it is quite easy we do that w with back light on the on the wheel okay yeah even if i l e d or a if if it is the l c d feature whatever yeah a blue a blue l e d and we sell that yeah and do we put an l c d display yeah because it was important for young customers if you remember i think it is only put on if cou have multi function yeah if you do not multi function then there is no p point in having l c d just increase the cost okay the user does not have an advantage really so no l c d and so no speech as well because it w it would delay too much the development process okay well if it is going to delay yeah but it will be cool it would because a user could say c n n for example and it would go c n n yeah that would be cool but 8 months is really long and yeah maybe we can just 10 years okay so i i will i will so i we will move to next meeting so in after the lunch break here are the individual action you are required to do but you will be recalled to the actions by email i think but you can take notes if you if you want but well the instruction will be sent so thank you for your suggestion and i i will make a summary of that meeting that i will put in the shared folder you can not see and and then you will you will be able to to see what has been has been said on on this meeting and and what has been decided okay okay okay maybe for next meeting send me your presentation before by email so that we can see them altogether yeah that would be easier what is the folder that you put yours in and did it it did work no no it did not work no no she send it to me by email ah yeah i dunno i dunno it okay so maybe this is better to send it by email okay what is your email okay so yeah i i am it is in the 1st email so i am participant one at ami where is that it is here at participant one okay participant one at ami okay so see you after lunch break kay thank you well during lunch break actually so next time we should have a fight how about management or something who happens to be your friend" ]

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[ "okay okay everyone is ready hello so we are here for our functional design okay so we are here for the functional design meeting so 1st i will show the agenda so we will take notes during this meeting so i will try to summarize it and put that summary in the shared folder if you want to folder if you want to look at it afterwards so then each of you will lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so user requirements specification technical function design and working design then i will present you some new project requirements i received from the management board then we will take the decision on the remote control needed functions and then i will assign you to task for the next part of the meeting of the process so we want to start the presentation of what they did do you want to start i can start yeah you can start cable camera do you have a poor point it should be in the folder no ah yeah maybe there up okay who are you i am 3 i think there is a technical problem do you think we said it in the wrong folder maybe you put it on it was somewhere in something like this i do not remember the name actually something like messenger army or something what do you have in short code go up participant too yeah go up yeah again no we are back we have no maybe messenger army messenger over okay no there is nothing there is no we have a technical problem technical problem yeah otherwise could you just describe by hand with the whiteboard yeah if you remember yeah yeah so basically what we want here is a remote control right yeah so the question was 1st of all what to control so most people want to have a remote for the hi fi and tv and stuff like that but other people want also remotes for a remote for a remote for a remote for controlling toys like robotic pets and robots and stuff and other people also want to have remotes for controlling the whole house so there is a project i think called x house or something like that you can integrate your remote with computers and stuff so that is one thing the other thing is the finder future the finder future by whistling or whatever if you have the finder future then you can also have at the same time as any general voice commands if you want so i think it should be a package in that case so the user interface consists of 2 parts one is the voice command part and one is the actual buttons part the buttons part would be a set of buttons for choosing devices a set of buttons for spatial navigation in space a set of buttons for linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access okay what do you mean by linear access like a videotape goes forward backwards fast and stuff okay so spatial navigation linear access random access and there is a false one no so the button are for special navigation yeah for special navigation for example you might have a tv in the menu and you want to change then linear access then random access yeah and also parameter ah yeah parameter okay so if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for that okay or maybe we could have everything generic but there are a lot of remotes on the market right now now and basically this is most of the almost everybody has this stuff okay and voice command did you voice command we could specify anything we could assign any button to any button if you have enough processing power i guess okay so that is that closed your investigations yeah yeah i think so okay maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with yeah i do not know if you can open it i do not know if i can open it it is not here it is in okay document no document yeah in which folder here here shortcut to rami to a mi shop folder maybe you can send it to me by email just to participate one at ami i can do that i try to show it to everyone that would be more comfortable okay you send it it is participant when yeah this is this email i am designing the face okay you can okay you can so maybe i can switch slides whenever you ask that would be more convenient so okay functional requirements you can go okay so in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among 100 subjects and this subject also filled a questionnaire okay and here are the results so you can see that 75% of users find most remote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more nice more kind 80% of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy 80% of users would spend more money would spend more money when a remote control would look it is not good so okay so it is not good but i can say yeah 75% of users say they zap a lot so we have to have a remote control very hard for that the buttons are to be like you say resisting to shocks and 50% of users say they only use 10% of the buttons in the remote control so all the buttons we have to put have to have a real use and not only okay so few buttons maybe yeah not many buttons and usable buttons okay but what kind of remote controls did you look at sorry what kind of task was it it was tv yeah most is tv yeah but in fact it seems that we are going to make a tv remote control according to new requirements i received from the management board i will present them in the following them in the following ah good okay you can go so there are the frustrations expressed by users so they said they lost often the remote control in the room so they want to have a way to to find it yeah and a lot of the time it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control so they want something very simple and easy to use and remote controls are bad for what is the rsi rsi yeah alessai yeah you weigh your wrist if you can become painful you can have to turn on the teeth 0 yeah yeah i do not know that if you also tap on the computer in a strength position okay so we have to make it more ergonomic yeah you have to say haha it is your job 0 0 0 sorry got a message from microsoft okay before that i have some something to say before we know that they use a lot the remote control to change channel channel and to change the volume selection of the and not a lot for setting the channels and things like that so it is better to put something very easy to that and yeah this function should be very easy to that this function should be very accessible accessible yes this is the main function okay so then we ask some questions to them and we ask this question if they prefer an lcd screen or on a remote function remote control and if they pay more for a speed recognition in remote control and you can go we have here the results of the the questions so you know that for the younger it is very important to have lct and voice yes and speech recognition and the others is not so important but we know that people between 15 and 25 are people who watch a lot tv and who who can use a lot this okay so maybe we can have a speech recognition yeah maybe this is important yeah moreover maybe those like these teenager customers can advise their parents to buy this equipment and so we can we have to take care of that point of view i think also yeah okay and after the conclusion so as we said before i think a remote control lightning in the dark is a good thing not too many buttons like we said before easy to use a way to find it easily in the room and resistant to shock and to okay i do not know if you see something else important or i am just thinking of something else important or i am just thinking of something yeah we want to have a no i do not know if this is a good idea we want to have a general remote control for everything no no no we it seems that we no one to have a tv remote control okay from the management board i received an email because it would be costly and also it would take more time to develop to have a general generic remote control it is not true i think the 2nd claim that it would be too long to develop i think that should be the same 0 yeah because i received that email from management board and they seem to tell that that if we want to be on the market as early as possible we should focus on tv moreover it seems that the market is more important so maybe it is a good decision i know what is your opinion i have no idea i mean i should know about how fast you can design i do not think yeah finish tonight okay but basically yeah maybe i can continue with my presentation okay but i think we have some technical problem also so i am just going to describe briefly what we do in the remote control maybe you can go to the whiteboard if you have some drawings to do i do not know do i have 0 yeah i have enough cables you feel like a dog grueless okay so i am just going to describe in fact for a remote control this is quite easy easy we just have sorry okay are you okay like that i am just going to describe basically we have a battery a power supply here after that we just have an user interface let us say that something like that which could be lcd let us say or an array of push button something like that push button or lcd after that we feed that into an electronic chip so i say muc and i feed that to led which is infrared which is an infrared component and so what we for myself for us this is quite easy you see the central unit yeah okay it is just a chip which does all the numerical computation according to your display and so for us this is quite easy we just need to define what we want to do when the user interface wants want something and after that we just do the coding to send that to to the not the to the television okay so for us this is quite easy okay so this is quite easy yeah and we just have to define the processing power that we need especially if we want to do some speech recognition in that case that means that we are going to use more this thing this will take more time to develop yeah course of course but for a standard one this is really easy it is a question of one months and so do you speak about voice control no no no i say standard button one yeah standard remote control takes maybe one month to do that so the only time problem is the voice correction yeah definitely so do you have any idea of how long it take to have voice recognition or i would say i would say their i would say that 8 months to have the 1st results okay so it is a bit long yeah yeah i can one month for the start for the standard one with button yeah even if we have a lcd display yeah even i mean this is really standard devices now and 8 for speech recognition okay yeah okay so we can take this into account so we think it would be good to go for speech recognition like speech recognition but we do not have time to market and also how much i think i think we should go during the kickoff meeting you said that we we should not we should not go up to €125 per unit yeah so how many units should we sell to ever sell €25 yeah but how many yeah how much do you get how much do you if you buy 1000000 units 100000 units chips because you need chips right yeah how much would it cost for 100000 usually this is less than $2 per chip okay because we are even for a powerful one that has a good enough for those physical it seems that we want to sell like 4000000 units from the 1st meeting okay 4000000 okay maybe we can look at the new requirement i received from the management board and discuss all functions we want to have i just had a question do you want to continue with your present yeah i will continue well ask your question if you want you say that i do not remember my heart but 30% of the tasted people say that it is quite difficult to use the remote control do they say that this is difficult but for the same reason or do they have other reason maybe to keep in mind maybe to access to that menu you should do something like that yeah i think they say that it is difficult to learn how to use it but when you know how to use it it is okay and it is not intuitive yeah but yeah maybe and what about if we design a reason if we design a remote control which can be configured as you want you say that i want i have 6 buttons a lot of people are if you have the lcd screen you can do it completely the way you want because the buttons also will look the way you want them but it will be hard to configure i mean imagine so it is really something for the expert user so i mean there are markets and markets i think the young people that are our christine here said we have an iris so for our young people it would be cool they can be able to use it maybe their parents will not but they will configure it i guess i do not know if there is a study maybe it would be more complex to configure it to be simple than creating a simple product and there are other things that if we make something that is simple and it needs to use to use immediately that means that it will be exactly the same as everything else otherwise if it is different then of course it has some of it has to learn to use yeah but also we we see that that most people find it find remote controls too complex because they have too many buttons and they mainly use only channels and volume buttons so we may just make a very easy to use remote control with mainly those buttons yeah and maybe also some lightning stuff to because most people find also hard to find the remote control lose it etc these are these 2 points are the main frustration so maybe if we design something very simple and easy to find when lost it will add a serious competitive advantage without making something too complex and too long to develop so but let us see 1st the new requirement so we do not have to so this this is in the same direction as we were speaking so we do not have to make a very complex remote controls to access teletext and stuff like that tv text is just one button yeah but then you have to you have to define the buttons to surf amongst pages just write the numbers yeah so well we write with a channel keys right yeah so anyway we do not have to include this feature because it is it is not used anymore by users they prefer to yeah i am sure that it does not like it but i do not see just one button yeah i do not know if one button is still one more button if we want to make it very simple we have to reduce the number of buttons compared to our competitors well anyway i have this point we can discuss also as i told before it would be better if it is only for the tv because we want to be quick on the market and then also we have to make very clear that this remote control is part of our products and show a corporate logo and colors on the design as well so that they identify it as well as one of our product so this is the key points so before finishing we can define what would be the characteristic of the remote control and which button do we need which function do we want etc capital so so do you so from the marketing expert i think a key aspect is the easy to use aspect it should be very simple and most buttons are never used only 10% of the button are used often so i think we have to do something very simple and i think we all agree on that point well if it is going to be just a tv remote control it is going to be very very very much simple yeah okay so yeah the key point here is simple maybe so few buttons channel volume control and what what function do you see well if you should be as simple as possible just at the remote control there is no other function as i can see maybe switch tv on enough no you know you want to you are also to have advertising can revenue can come back on yeah something yeah volume maybe a mute button and then on off button and that is all i know that some you said that many people are doing plenty of a lot of zapping i know i discovered that when i did a quick look they do not they do something which is quite nice now you have a button you press it and this is the previous channel which is come back yeah this is cool maybe we can include that also previous channel button so we have like channel button the previous channel button the volume button plus a mute button and just the traditional on off button and of course the channel changing buttons yeah i told about that how should we implement that implement them because there could be numerical only there could be also incremental yeah incremental definitely because zapping you you switch them let us say that we can do something like that this is an incremental but when you press it for a long time you go 5 by 5 you go faster to go faster it is an interesting idea that if you press it for a long time you press it for long time it does something else in general so if you have your 10 buttons for the numerical buttons and you have instead of having just one memory you have a few percent for a long time no it does not work maybe we should have also a digit but have a complete keyboard and type console commands maybe we have also to have digits or only incremental i do not know because if you are useful like if you want to change between 3 channels for example then you have you cannot cannot work with just memory and then incremental yeah because you have your previous channel button if you have incremental only it is not does not worth it because the previous channel is here either -one or +one yeah so i think we need also digits maybe we can make very obvious the channel and volume button and smaller button down there with the digits yeah when you use up usually you would like to press the same button at the time yeah or we can do something like that we can design the remote control to have access you know some remote control have protection and so you you yeah yeah just i was just thinking there is a i mean you know there is some mask with a wheel like this instead of having the up down buttons yeah kind of joystick yeah maybe we can have a wheel for incremental okay so have a wheel for incremental have the digit on the lower side that can be closed so as you say protected and yeah i think this is the lower side i think you have to turn it and do we do we have a ball yeah not a wheel but a ball and you say a wheel is better i would say the wheel is better that that clackacac black is a part of yeah because it is not like a volume which is smooth yeah it is only change one by one yeah so you have to the user should like to should feel the red the discreet yeah a bit yeah that is a good idea and well also we have to decide so it should be lightning in the dark i think because most people lost their remote control it is quite easy we do that with backlight on the wheel if it is an led or if it is a lcd a blue led and we sell that and do we put an lcd display because it was important for young customers if you remember i think it is only important if you have multifunction if it is not multifunction then there is no point in having the lcd just increase the cost the user does not have an advantage so no lcd and so no speech as well because it would delay too much the development process it would be cool because the user could say cnn for example yeah that would be cool but 8 months is really long maybe we can just 10 years so i will i will so we will move to next meeting so in after the lunch break you are the individual action you are required to do but you will be recalled those actions those actions by email i think but you can take notes if you if you want but well the instruction would be sent so thank you for your suggestion and i will make a summary of that meeting that i will put in the shared folder you can see and and then you will you will be able to to see what has been has been said on this meeting and what has been decided maybe for next meeting send me your presentation before by email so that we can see them all together that would be easier what is the folder that you put yours in did it work no no it did not work i do not know i do not know it okay so maybe this is better to send it by email okay what is your email so yeah it is in the 1st email so i am participant one at amy okay where is that it is here participant one at amy okay so see you after lunch break well you in lunch break actually hey hey so next time how is it has got a fight he would be a man so we will have us to be a friend it is a fight hey not even though he is a fight in the wendry wogneiton it is very rare even very rare" ]

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[ "i dunno throwing away my toothpick hi there yo ow kay nice user interface yeah what the yeah well ja well let us just start kay i have made a presentation right let us see it but i will open it on the smartboard so we can all see it so it is in the project documents because that is what we can find here well very nice well this is called the the the kick off meeting so i am the project manager so i had to fill it in and kay 0 sorry and an a nice agenda we will do the opening and then we will meet each other what we already do so that is not very much trouble i will i will show you the the tools we have here so that we can all use them then we will look at the project plan from real reaction we will discuss about our 1st ideas about the project and then we will close the meeting and then we can individually do our things and then we will get back here so this the opening we will we have to design a new television remote control you have heard that already i think so we want it to be original so a nice a nice new design trendy it is also for young people and we have to just make it modern and friendly so size does matter and well it has to be a have the the right the right buttons on the right place that kin those kind of things other there happen to be 3 stages functional conceptual and d detailed design so every time we we will do some individual work get meeting talk about it and then go into the next phase that is just it we have these 2 smartboards well as i just showed there is a project management folder a project document folder on the desktop it just works exactly the same as a computer you just click on the on the folder and you open the everything you you put in it with your laptop so you can make words excel everything and the w the r the rest also works the same so when you open a notepad you you just get your things you can draw this is a well a drawing board you have a these different functions on the board you can see them there so you have a a nice pen and it is works just like a bal ball pen this is just a i want to 0 yeah maybe you should try to write on the on the big white does it of course w does not work any more yeah yes i will eraser so it works wonderful it is fantas fantastic we can well you can save a file so if we draw we have to save everything do not throw anything away just we can start a new one and we just go on and do not throw anything away just let them all stand here we can delete but we do not do that you can here select a pen you can draw anything you want it is a bit childish you have to write it is not as fast as you w you know it but it does work sometimes well it is just like a normal paint so it has gone alright yep well we are designers so we have to have a a more a smartboard so that is fantastic well this speaks for itself we going to try it so we all are going to draw a nice animal on this board not my idea alright your favorite animal yes our your favorite so i am to going to have to draw a kangaroo but i am going d i am not going to i am just going to well draw a nice grizzly bear beast w i dunno what i am going to design 0 does not 0 i hope this was part of the assignment and not your i hope this was part of the assignment and not your personal enjoyment yeah kay i just said it is not my idea but i am the project manager and officially this is my idea yeah i i i i understand so what we are kinda losing time though alright we are losing time but ah the 1st the 1st meeting is just a bit loose loosen up a bit meeting each other well nice yeah so start alright yep yes sh i hope our industrial designer does this better because this is do not count on it no so a a few legs do we have to guess yes yes guess a hippo well i should make it an hippo now i think it is a mouse or a rat yeah no i do not think so 0 0 i know it well what is it huh it is a hedgehog i do not know how to call it yeah difficult english word a hedgehog i did not knew it myself well i am amazed about your drawing skills our characteristics sum it up well it is very painful those kind of thing so we can just yeah we are going back and now our industrial designer can draw its most favorite animal i am the industrial designer alright thank you huh chief i am the industrial designer 0 but this marketing designer yeah i think it is pr it resembles the animal drawn by what kind of animal is that then it is i think can i say it yeah sure it it is a rabbit well looks very nice right yeah it looks amazing no no no what are you going to do we want to erase it no no no no save it and start a new save it yes these are very impor and start a new black doc a blank document these are very important documents of course these drawings yeah well we have to save everything so now the next one yes right and then save it and start an blank document you go man thanks yeah there is also different colors and different well pen widths the line the the thickness thickness so well you should try it but alright i should have made mine a white rabbit well y y y you could have but and he deliberately draws a animal we do not know the english word for it speaks for itself what the just a duck it looks like an it looks like that beast from sesame street nice yeah big bird is it a duck you are standing in front of it i can not see it it is it is is it a plane alright thank you yeah it is a bird but what kind of bird it does not draw circles that easy do we have to you have to push harder yeah just a bit a bit childish a bit but we have do we have to name the specific species of the bird release your anger no i do not no it is just a bird well wonderful well save the document and then and then a a new blank document for will choose a new color and a new pen width so w we can all see it here you go why do i have to do the difficult tasks pen yeah that is no well 1st yeah and then you go to format i think and current color you choose a new color current color and a new pen width also format i like 0 they do not have pink 0 b 0 think this is it is not like in paint line width and you can choose a nice one line width width width width 15 with each other and i can draw yeah so just a wa that is the way we do it is quite easy it is a pussy cat it is a cat 0 pussy 0 the line width is too thick but 0 well well then you change it and erase things what it is a pig it smiles nicely super pig now i have to change the line width one so these are whiskers you know yeah yeah yeah we know right well i think it is obvious right now yes alright it is a cat no it looks great miaow well if this is not obvious well well just save it i will save it alright save yeah save it and start a new blank document yeah blank yep so that is what we are going to use when we need it well i feel comfortable now 0 great well it is terrific eh thanks for this exercise it is good for group spirit i feel totally at ease yeah that is it it certainly is we are one big happy family now yeah something like that well then the serious stuff we are we want to sell it at €25 internationally so but we dunno what exactly th i it is in dollars but €25 our profit aim is worldwide €50000000 so so i did not exactly calculate how much we have to sell we want to keep it our costs at €125 so keep that in mind when we talk about our materials an f and stuff and marketing research right alright now then we all we can sit down and discuss what do we think about our current remote controls 1st about design about aim in the market etcetera right well we c we can sit down because presentation can wait we can take notes and well who has some remarks about the current remote controls well i i did not have to prepare anything about it is not please no i did it is it is not my task to talk about experience with current remote controls but well just w we are 4 if we if we would just have one then i think it is im it is important to look at the remote controls of our competitors yeah get the good points try to merge them into one universal remote control yeah yeah on our corporate site i saw a new d v d player we are going to produce yep maybe it is important to make it compatible with the d v d player that is alright that would be a nice idea yes so you can use your television and your d v d player with the same remote control yep yep yep furthermore it is important to make it acceptable for the whole world for different cultures maybe because we want to we want to well 50000000 yes 50000000 is our aim to a profit so yeah yeah so a lot of people have to be able to use it no but the b the buttons have to have to have international recognizable buttons and so easy to learn yeah yeah that is right yeah yes and numbers and that every culture in yeah people in every country can recognize yeah i will make notes and then maybe well i will put it in the project folder when i am done just now alright i also think we should not add too many buttons well yeah right modern day remotes have too much buttons i think no that is right y y you do not use the half of them that is that is culture international precisely maybe we could make one button to switch between d v d player and t v and make the other buttons multi functional or something yeah yeah indeed yeah so it does not become too complicated with too much buttons and yes yeah right yep and maybe we do we even have more than just a d v d player do not we have other ou yeah we should make it compatible perhaps with everything we use we we make and stereo s audio installations we also just released a t f t thing i saw yeah so but th that is kind kind of standard t television so it also works on that yeah yeah yep and i think the people who who will buy our remote already have some experience with remotes so we can keep that in mind most people do yeah well yeah it does not it does not have to be it does not have to be but we can w well it is a n it is a new remote and you do not buy a remote if you do not have anything to to control with it well except if we deliver it together with our d v d yeah but yeah yeah alright but we need to to keep it consistent with other d yeah because we look at competitors and w if we pick up the good things about that and give it a nice design well yeah but it is it has to be useable it has to be different and familiar at the same time yes yeah yeah yeah we could use another form or shape or color that kind of things yep yeah the shape will will have to be recognized i thought about like most remote controls are a long box shaped thing you can make it triangle shaped yeah no but that is not very recognizable well we we could make more more oval or something and and oo oval n we can use it as a as a game pad i yeah or so so one hand has the beer so the other hand well yeah it is new not with 2 hands yeah yeah yeah right no but young people want something different and it is well i we already one of our aims is that it has to be original and trendy so yeah but it is quite important that it fits yeah yeah 0 but it ha it has to be m yeah but you still have to know it is a remote and not another yeah alright well there has been done a lot of researches about remotes we have to we can imagine because it is a long time on the market so the the form will have been tested out so yeah yeah so the long box shaped thing must be yeah useful yes or else they would have been ano another shape well for me personally i have a a lot of remotes at home but those ones that have a a round ending and well just an square middle i do not like to use them i have have to it has to fit my hands yeah yeah when it falls over it and i just have and then the button that i use most has to be here it should not be boxy yeah yeah a lo the long box shape yeah you have to use one hand it f it fits your hands and then you just push the button that you use most with thumb nah i do not agree with the long box shape it it has to be custom made for the hand why not yeah it does not fit tho tho those new d v d players on the market do have those yeah but it does fit in the hand if you hold it like this and you can make it another shape but then you have yeah but if you shape it no if y if you look at new phillips d v d with their remotes pl players they they are the new remotes are not box shaped if d v d players yes w no w what else they are all no that is ol old fashioned i di well yeah yeah well but what what what do you suggest then i can imagine that us yes well most of of them are are somewhat thicker at the end and get yeah thinner towards the the other end well yeah right it fits in your palms well but it is still then the the long box but then with some round round forms in it to fit your hand but it is it is still yeah it well a it h it has it it has a that is tha th th shape that it fits your hand yeah yeah al alright but but it is still it is still sort of box yeah that is it it has round forms but it in the end it is still the box so that is what i mean well yeah yea yeah but it has it has to fit your hand yeah yeah i understand but no no i do not mean an entire box like completely square but a also with round edges of course it should not be too boxy you know it is no no no but in in in at the end it is still this long yeah yeah it should be box shape with convenient round shapes right maybe something like this or and then a button here to switch between different systems like d v d player and so you can i have to fit yeah yes i thought about something like that yeah a big recognizable button on top or something yeah right and i do think we have to keep this kind of idea yeah with the with the numbers and we have 5 minutes left so the buttons should also be not too small not too big of course and n not too close together right yes that is yep but it should be possible to to make it ap apparent that there are 2 functions for every button yep so there has to be some space between the buttons huh yeah of course to to to have icons to explain the different functions yeah yeah right right and maybe we should use colors yeah colors yeah yeah maybe we can just like on cell phones those well you can you can put on on them yeah ha and so you can customize your your own remote with different colors or or special paint jobs i dunno but that is kinda trendy yeah right sound nice yes i think we have to talk also about the the materials for well well it is just about our 1st ideas now so i think individually we will have to come up with ideas for the next meeting about these materials and markets etcetera right but i think it is it is important to notate all the the decisions that we make so we already thought about something tha yes yes well 30 minutes we have so this is about what we are going to do you will get specific instructions when you are back in your room so it is logical yeah i think no problem 0 and that is that is all so we will just get a notice that the the meeting is over yeah now we can still talk about the material we have some some minutes left i w wrote down that the case should be plastic of course yeah yes say hard plastic the buttons should be rubbery i think yeah yeah it should not be too heavy no n n well i have had remotes that they had the function of the buttons was about a layer over the buttons and when i have had use it much it was gone yeah that is bad yeah yeah yeah yeah so it has to be made in the buttons i think it has to not be loose yeah that is important alright and of course there are several electrical cables in it to to connect things to each other yeah is there an a universal universal way of transmitting from the remote to the television so it is all about yeah it is univ yeah yeah yeah i think so it is a a common stan standard way infrared beams an infrared beam i think it is not that in china it is different yep yeah but y you can have of course different between d v d s and televisions and between and you can use it it is a we we make an a universal remote so it ha has to work with all kinds of brands and things yeah yeah yeah but our t v s are mostly made in china and that sort of country so probably yes china rules and have well yeah i have wrote something down about how it works the user presses a button and with an infrared beam it signals the television set accordingly but that is pretty obvious i think but are are we going w with the front fronts idea well i think w we can look into that in the in the next 30 minutes i think we should make it universal and you can always use a front front on it you know yeah you can use it just plain but you can yes well j just y you get a n a normal front with it but you can change them when you buy the to make it more trendy yeah right yes right yes and we should dispatch those kind of fronts fronts a a around the world so yeah well you can make profit with them and it is a way to make them trendy well th those 50000000 do not do not se sells itself so we have to make some extra effort like fronts well but th but the standard front will be just gray or something b a simple color not not very flashy yeah right yeah alright yeah normal yes yeah well it has to it h it has to fit the the te television and d v d set we are going to sell no a color everyone accepts so if they are black and black black and silver we will make them black and silver so pink television sets pink remote yeah yeah yeah yeah standard but people of often do not like bright colors or something we have to make it gray or s or black well young people s li yeah but then you can use a a front yeah yeah yeah alright yeah i must not forget my pen the next time well if if you yeah if you have a a a television room for little children and you make a if if you buy a a pink front they will they will love it yeah yeah that is right i think yeah or a t teletubby front but that is marketing research you can you can ask yeah yeah yeah i will investigate yes well our user interface you can maybe i do not know what your specific instructions will be but probably about the precision of the buttons and and those kind of things and what buttons will have to be on the remote and you will look into the technical design and form i think yeah also the the look and feel of the the remote is also my task yeah or something like that yeah yeah right what is the url or the website cause i did not yeah i w was wondering that too y you went to the company website euro get it is well it it it is if you yeah yeah yeah just if you start up your internet explorer yeah it is the the the start starting page 00 right 0 well i did not use it yeah finish meeting now 0 alright well we are going to back back into our rooms so yes well that is great next meeting is in in 30 minutes but i think it will be you will be warned through your laptop to get over here 30 minutes 30 minutes yeah alright it is it is handy to know i will have to restore my my desktop because it is it is the half of the normal size very handy to know it is totally broken right see you in half an hour then 0 right 0 0 goodbye w ma 0 s w that was a nice meeting right see you in 30 minutes then yeah see you" ]

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[ "where are i not going to be i do not know i do not know throwing away my toothpick hi there yo yo 0 why was he out why was he out of the face yeah what the i think that we just have just begin can you know what to see yeah well let us just start okay i have made a presentation but i will open it on the smart board so we can all see it so it is in the project documents because that is what we can find here well great very nice well this is called the kickoff meeting so i had the project manager so i had to fill it in good and ha ha ha so hey 0 we have a nice agenda we will do the opening and then we will meet each other but we already do so that is not very much trouble i will show you the tools we have here so that we can all use them then we will look at the project plan from reaction we will discuss about our 1st ideas about the project and then we will close the meeting and then we can individually do our things and then we will get back here so this the opening will we will design a new television remote control you have heard that already i think so we want to be original so a nice a nice new design trendy it is also for young people we have to just make it modern and friendly so size does matter and well it has to be have the right the right buttons on the right place that kind of things other were there happened to be 3 stages and going into a functional conceptual and detailed design so every time we will do some individual work get meeting talk about it and then go into the next phase that is just it we have these 2 smart boards well as i just show there is a project management folder a project document folder on the desktop it just works exactly the same as a computer you just click on the on the folder and you open the everything you put in it with your laptop so you can make words excel everything and the rest also works the same so when you open a note pad you just get your things you can draw this is a well a drawing board you have these different functions on the board you can see them there so you have a nice pen and it works just like a whole ball pen and this is just that i want to of course it does not work anymore maybe you should try to write on the on the big white yes that works eraser gag it is wonderful fantastic we can well you can save a file so if we draw we have to save everything do not throw anything away just we can start a new one and we just go on and do not throw anything we just let them all stand here we can delete but we do not do that you can here select the pen you can draw anything you want it is a bit childish you have to write it is not as fast as you know it but it does work sometimes well it is just like a normal paint so let us go all right yeah well we are designers so we have to have a more a smart board so that is fantastic well this speaks for itself we are going to try it so we all are going to draw a nice animal on this board not my idea your favorite animal yeah are your favorite so i am to going to have to draw a kangaroo but i am going that i am not going to i am just going to draw a nice beast i do not know but i am going to go 0 i hope this was part of the assignment and not your i hope it was part of the assignment and not your personal i just said it is not my idea but i am pregnant and officially this is my idea i understand we are losing time though what we are losing time the 1st meeting is just a bit loose a bit meeting each other i hope our industrial designer does this better because do not count on it no a few let us guess guess yes yes yes hippo well i should make it an hippo i think it is a mouse for a rat i do not think so 0 i know it well what is it i do not know how to call it yeah you are a difficult english word i did not knew it myself later well i am amazed about your drawing skills of characteristics sum it up well it is a very painful those guys so we can just we are going back and now our industry is and i am the most favorite animal thank you chief i am the the industrial design 0 what is marketing design yeah i think i think it resembles the animal drawn by dick brunner it is nainte nainty what kind of animal is that then i think can i say it yeah sure it is a rabbit it is a rabbit well looks very nice right it looks amazing no no no what are you going to do you are going to do i want to erase it no no no save it and start a new save it you are very start a new black you are very important documents of course yeah well we have to save everything so now next one man and then save it and start a blank document yeah there is also different colors and different pen wives the line the thickness thickness so well you should try it but i should have made mine a white the rabbits well you could have but he deliberately draws for an animal we do not know the english word for them what the it looks like an just a duck looks like that beast from sesame street pino yeah big birds it is the it is the plane it is a bird but what kind of bird it does not draw do we have to that easy you have to push harder yeah just a bit childish a bit but we have do we have to the specific species of the bird no i do not it is just a bird well wonderful let us save a document and then a and then a new blank document for thais thais will choose a new color and a new penwife so why do you do the difficult tasks pen and then you go to format i think current color and i like they do not have pink 0 i think this is a new penwife also format it is not like in paint line wife and you can choose a nice line with with with with with each other and then i can roll yeah so just the way that is the way it works it is quite easy it is a pussy kid good 0 pussy 0 the line width is too thick but well then you change it and erase things what it is a pig it smiles nicely super big now i have to change the line with one i have to these are whiskers you know yeah yeah yeah we know well i think it is obvious right now yes all right it is a cat no it looks great miao if this is not obvious well well just save it yeah i will save it all right save and start a new blank document yeah blank yep so that is what we are going to use when we need it well i feel comfortable now thanks for this exercise i feel totally at ease yeah that is it we are one big happy family now yeah something like that well then the serious stuff we want to set it at 25 euros internationally so we do not know what exactly did in it is in dollars but to have yours our profit aim is worldwide €50000000 so i did not exactly calculate how much we have to sell we want to keep it our costs at 12 and a half euros so keep that in mind when we talk about our materials and stuff marketing research now then we all we can sit down and discuss what do we think about our current remote controls 1st of these about design about aim the markets etc well we can sit down because presentation can wait we can take notes well who has remarks about the current remote controls i did not have to prepare anything about no it is not my task to talk about the experience with current remote controls but well just we were with 4 if we just have one it is important to look at the remote controls of our competitors yeah get the good points try to merge them into one universal remote control on our corporate site i saw a new dvd player we are going to produce yep maybe it is important to make it compatible with the dvd player that would be a nice idea yes so you can use your television and your dvd player with the same remote control furthermore it is important to make it acceptable for the whole world the whole world for different cultures maybe because we want to settle well 50000000 yes 50000000 is our aim to profit so a lot of people have to be able to use it yeah my the buttons have to have to have to have international recognizable buttons and yeah that is right in numbers and that is every culture and yeah people in never going to can recognize i will make notes and then maybe yeah i put it in the project folder when i am done there just now well we should not add too many buttons that is right you do not use the half of them that is that is that is a culture international maybe you can make one button to switch between dvd player and tv and make the other buttons multi functional or something yeah so it does not become too complicated with too much buttons yeah right yep and maybe we do we even have more than just a dvd player do not we have other yeah we should make it compatible stereo we also just released a tft thing i saw that is kind of standard television so it also works on that yeah and i think the people who will buy our remote already have some experience with remotes so you can keep most people do yeah it does not be it does not have to be but we can it is a new remote and you do not buy a remote if you do not have anything to well control with it except if we deliver it together with our dvd yeah we keep it consistent with other yeah because we look at competitors and if we pick up the good things about that and give it a nice design yeah but it is that is to be different than familiar at the same time yes yeah yeah we could use another form or shape or call yeah the shape will have to be recognized i thought about the like most remote controls are a long box shaped thing you can make it triangle shape but that is not very recognizable or more oval or something oval and we can use it as a game pad it is new one hand has the beer and the other hand the young people want something different well we already one of our aims is that it has to be original and trendy it has to be so yeah but you still have to know it is a remote not another there has been done a lot of research about remotes we have to we can imagine because it is a long time on the market so the forum will have been tested being tested out so the long box shaped thing must be useful yes or else they would have been a for me personally i have a lot of remotes at home but those ones that have a round ending and well just a square middle i do not like to use them i have to it has to fit my hands when it falls over it and i just have and then the button that i use most has to be here to be here long box shape you have to it is it fits your hand and then you just push the button that you use most i do not agree with the long box shape why not that is to be customate for the hand yeah that is a fit those new dvd players on the market if you want it like this and you can make it another shape but then you have no if you if you look at new phillips david spades with their dvd players yes they are the new remotes are not box shaped that is all old fashioned yeah what do you suggest them well well most of them are somewhat thicker at the end yeah right get yeah thinner it is the other end well but it is still then the the long box but then with some round round forms in it to fit your hands but it has it still that is that is shape that it fits your head yeah all right but it is it is it is still it is still sort of box yeah it has round forms but in the end it is still the box so that is what i mean yeah but it has to fit your hand yeah i understand but i do not mean an entire box like completely square but also with round edges of course but yeah in in at the end it is still this long yeah it should be box shape with convenient round shapes right maybe something like this or yeah and i thought about something like that to switch between different systems like b 2 d player and so you can a big recognizable button on top or something yeah right and i do think we have to keep this kind of a there yeah with the numbers and we have 5 minutes left so the buttons should also be not too small not too big of course yes not too close together to make it apparent that there are 2 functions for every button button yeah huh there has to be some space between the button yeah of course to have icons to explain the different functions right and maybe you should use colors colors yeah i think maybe we can just like on cell phones those you can put on them that is kind of trendy so you can customize your own remote with different colors or special paint jobs i do not know sounds nice yes we have to talk also about the materials for well it is just a i have here now so i think individually we will have to come up with ideas for the next meeting about these materials and markets etc already thought about something it is important to note that all the decisions that yes well 30 minutes we have so this is about what we are going to do you get specific instructions when you are back in your room so it is a logical i think no problem 0 and that is that is all so we will just get a notice that the meeting is over yeah now we can still talk about the materials we have some some minutes left i wrote down the case should be plastic of course hard plastic yeah the button should be rubber i think yeah it should not be too happy no no i have had remotes that they had the function of the buttons was about a layer over the buttons and when i had used it much it was gone so it has to be made in the buttons i think it has to not be loose and of course there are several electrical cables in it to connect things to each other is there a universal way of transmitting from the remote to the televisions it is all about i think so it is a it is not that in china standard way yeah infrared beam is an infrared beam i think but you can have of course different between dvds and televisions it is a we make a universal remote so it has to work with all kinds of brands and without tvs are mostly made in china and that sort of country probably yes china rules and well yeah i have wrote something more wrote something down about how it works the user presses a button and with an infrared beam but the signals television set accordingly but that is pretty obvious are going with the front front this idea well i think now we can look into that in the next very much yeah and you can always use a front on it you know you can use it just plain yes but you can well just you get a normal front with it but you can change them right when you buy it right and we should dispatch those kind of front fronts around the world so you can make profit with them and it is a way to make them friendly well those 50000000 do not do not sell itself so we have to make some extra effort like for us so but the standard front will be just gray or something a simple color not not very flashy well it has to it has to fit the the television and dvd sets we are going to sell so if they are black and silver we make them black and silver so standard but people often they like bright colors or something we have to make it gray or young people yeah but then you can use yeah yeah all right yeah yeah i must not forget my pen yeah yeah if you have a television room for little children and you make a if you buy a pink front they will they will love it i think that is marketing research you can you can ask yeah i will investigate yes well i use an interface you can maybe i do not know what your specific instructions will be but probably about the position of the buttons and those kind of things and what buttons will have to be on the remote and you will look into the technical design and form i think yeah also the look and feel of the yeah the remote social might task yeah right what is the earl of the website yeah i was wondering that too you went to the company website well it is just if you start up your internet is the the start right i did not finish meeting now 0 all right well we are going to back yeah make into our room so well that is great next meeting is in 30 minutes but i think you will be warned to get over here i will have to restore my desktop it is half of the normal size right see you and have a lot eh 0 good boy no it was a nice meeting no success i i will see you in 30 minutes down see you i am going to be i am going to be i am going to be" ]

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[ "that went well thank you kay that is great perfect alright let me just powerpoint this up right so this meeting will be about the conceptual design do not ask me s precisely what conceptual design is it is just something important that we need to do think of it is kind of turning the abstract into slightly more concrete in this meeting ideally we will come to some final decisions on what we are going to do for the prototype right so apologies for the last meeting it was brought to my attention that i did not make the roles clear enough so i will attempt to do so more accurately in this particular meeting fair enough thanks for the input is always good so basically all we are going to do is have some presentations again much like last time and going to go through you whoever wants to go 1st is f fine by me and we will collate what we know about what we discussed in the last meeting possible directions and then we will make some more decisions on basic firm up our idea on how we want this remote control to look and work so perfect so without th further ado whoever wants to go 1st is free to i will go 1st go ahead alright nathan take it away it is nathan right i am not calling you the wrong name over and over again no nathan is fine good it is either nathan or participant 2 mister participant 2 that is nice okay nice basically what i am going to have to talk to you about today is component design and it has been brought to my attention that we may be somewhat limited as to what we can do because of what our manufacturer offers so basically what i am going to be doing is talking to you about that components of a remote control okay we have already kind of gone over this but we are going to have to get into more detail and probably have to reach some conclusions some time soon energy source our manufacturer offers a variety of energy sources your standard battery solar cells our manufacturer did not say anything about lithium so we might have to look if we do go that route we might have to look elsewhere and also there is a kinetic energy possibility basically it is like a the idea of moving the remote would create enough energy to keep it running so that is one possibility but i do not know whether that would be powerful enough to illuminate a touch screen so we will have to look into that the case we have a few options plastic rubber or wood and then as far as the way it is shaped we can do standard boring flat which we probably do not want to do curved or very sexy double curved what kind of th thickness are we looking at i imagine that we could specify i do not see any reason to go outside of the convention of 3 or 4 millimeters okay brilliant yeah the buttons there are multiple scroll buttons available from our manufacturer but to use those we would have to use more chips and that would cost us more and if we do go with the rubber doubled curved case we will have to use rubber push buttons because the other buttons are not compatible with that right and just a little note there touch screen equals many chips which equals many euro right nice one thing that i noticed was that most remotes operate on a infrare on the infrared part of the spectrum so you notice when you push a button on a remote you can not see anything coming out of it but in fact there is light coming out of the remote and you know the television can detect that and if you were to record if you were to make a video recording you could actually see the light one thing that i thought might be interesting was to use part use visible light coming out of the remote just kind of as a fun gimmick so you could actually see something coming out of the remote when you pushed it interesting course it would have to be a part of the spectrum that would not damage the human eye or anything like that m maybe is there an option that we can have that off or on so a person can select like good call choose it yeah i am sure that we could do that of course yeah i like the idea it is a good idea yeah just as a fun gimmick yeah just to set us apart a little bit and then on to the circuit board that we are going to use also known as the chip we really do not have any way around the t a 11835 findings okay we are very limited by what our current manufacturers can offer and my question to all of you is should we look to other manufacturies or should we just make do with what we have available interesting question is a bit of a challenge question well i would say shop around but with our time constraints is that really a feasible option yes right that is my concern too if we do go the lithium battery route then we will have to go outside our current manufacturer my personal preference is i will just throw my cards on the table i think we should probably go the solar battery route just to kinda keep with the environmentally friendly theme that we have going on i like the idea of the visible light signaling that is something to set us apart and i was thinking about i was thinking of ways that we could produce the remote in a variety of different case materials to suit different tastes so we are not so confined by one style and say some you know right say our the one if we just go with one and it does not go over well then we are in a bad situation right can we do marketing piloting too try to see what kind before we launch can we see how they are received it is an option but actually there is i have got some research already on like what we are looking at and trends in casing right now which actually might even come into play beforehand okay okay okay perfect it may help us decide for now great thank you very much nathan temporarily anyway 0 yeah you are welcome that is perfect so i guess that makes sense for you to take it from here i guess so cause i found some interesting things did you you waiting for me fascinating compelling even i know what a teaser aint it right so current market trends screen basically i was looking at what is going on in the remote control market right now and what is going on in other design fields to see sort of what is what is trendy what is new what is happening remote control right now basically everybody says they want newer fancier more exciting they are sick of this boring normal functional that we need innovative design options and there needs to be an easy user interface the challenge is that current trends right now across the board in fashion in furniture in technology is a very organic fruit and vegetable kind of thing now i am not saying we should have you know tomato shaped remote controls or anything but i think it is possible maybe to use natural colors like if wood is an option that whole organic sleek clean v line thing may be something we can look into different skin options or if we can not afford this touch plate thing or touch face screen interface maybe having the b images be specific like you could choose your menu bullets to be tomatoes a different shape or okay not the example i would choose but you know what i mean to t sort of and th apparently the feel of the next couple of years is spongy not something i i have come up with a though if we can get around to getting piloting i thought maybe a casing option like i like it i like it not like a skin but like a holder almost if you could do like leather options or wood options or something i should have mentioned this as far as the rubber that we can use we can use a rubber as part of the case it has a consistency of those stress balls yes might be an interesting way to go fabulous slick slick yeah so something to sit on for now so overall i think we should stick with what we are finding everyone is looking for easy to use technologically innovative and this fancy new i think perhaps the double curve thing and maybe this rubber option is our best way to go for right now interface 0 the interface graphics for the yeah well i d but then if the touch screen thing is not going to work out for us that is really a non issue yeah i like the idea of of rubber too because it is tends to be associated with being durable something that you can drop and it does not matter true cause so many you go to so many houses these days and you see broken remote controls very true yeah it is like yep it is ubiquitous is not it very true taped with duck tape and what have you you would not have that problem if you used rubber very much so we can have a duck tape casing we could i think that goes against the whole fancy something a new line but worth a shot it could go with the granola crowd ah it could be it could be yeah that is what i know great thanks for that sarah no problem ron phew computer is adjusting one moment please so interme interface concept by your faithful user interface designer so yur user interface guys is basically aspects of a computer system that we can see or hear or otherwise perceive commands and mechanisms that basically user uses to control the operator operating system here is a d series of different remote controls that are out on the market today i think we are definitely trying to get away from this kind of a look yeah so the following are a bunch of different interface concepts voice recognition we we actually have some new information from our research design team but i will get to that in a moment so current voice recognition starts up to about 80 speech samples and basically you record your own verbal labels c and connect them to the remote control now our design team research team has been able to set up a system in which you can teach the remote control voice c recognition system to respond to with standard responses like you could say good morning remote control and it will say in a sexy female voice good morning joe in fact we already have this for a coffee maker line lot of single people on the on the re on the remote control research team at the on the remote control right yeah very true very true another concept is what apple has come up with the spinning wheel with l c display like on the ipod which i am sure most of you know about and then we have the scroll button with integrated push button kind of like a modern a bit bulky a bit crazy i do not think that is we are necessarily going for no and some special components ideas like blocking having the ability to block channels from your for your children and dedicated buttons for for commonly used channels and even ideas like secured or hidden programming but i again if we go with touch screen i do not think that is a big issue and this is kind of the the big daddy of remote controls here the jumbo universal remote control is almost impossible to misplace or lose yeah i can see again probably not what we are going for so i i mean my ideas here and kind of where i think we are heading is something slightly larger than a regular ipod with a hard cla c plastic casing although i think some of the suggestions we have come up with are definitely very good ideas okay changeable casings our design team was possibly talking about including one extra face plate with the package to kind of set the idea that you can change it and you can try changing it and kind of get used to thinking about maybe buying another one which can add value to our bottom line right touch screen interface possibly having go to buttons being stuck into the system so those do not move away from the screen the important ones like power volume and jump between channels and of course our voice command system which i have talked a little bit about already and the use of recognizable colors and shapes to aid recognition of the features that are around so red for power arrows for different volume ups and downs and channels ups and downs and what not and perhaps even adding in some stupid little jokes with the voice recognition idea like perh for instance my toastie maker that i got from my bank has jokes when it is ready nice great and that is about it great wonderful ron cool lot of good ideas good facts to have that is what they need it is like a little dongle it just sticks up this further so you do not have to stand up every time just connect it my kingdom yeah right so good to know all that stuff thanks guys now we kind of have to come to some decisions i figure we can just go down the line and all 3 of us can have a chat about it based on what nathan presented as far as the various costs and benefits i think i dunno what do you guys think about the touch screen at this point i think it is our most marketable feature just because it is so new and it is something that is showing up in other places kay kay but can we really afford it cause it looks like they would be that would be a really main cost source then right my estimate is that in order to incorporate touch screen technology it is going to cost us upwards of €1750 per remote yeah that is just an estimate though to produce each one per piece 0 you guys are always the dampers on these projects i know you industrial designers i know it is fun and our goal was to be under 1250 or we have to be under 1250 well do we remember i thought there was some flexibility with that okay there is it is just it is a question of and how much ca 0 does that mean we are going to have to increase the price to make money can we justify it from 1250 if we d want to get our fift 100% profit margin that would mean selling it from 25 if you multiply 1750 by 2 that is 35 right so where do you guys come up with these numbers that is just off the top of my head it is pending further emails from the board well right though i think that is what people would pay for i mean if you are going to pay for an expensive high class remote you are going to expect it to do something that is true i mean it is the new it would be in a class of its own yeah and that is to be fair the the per cent of the market we are not going for mass any you know mass sales anyway we are going to make i mean we we are not talking about selling 8 zillion of these things we just could not not for €25 so right we could probably maybe shrink the profit margins rather than selling for 25 sell em for 30 but that is something that we can have finance deal with yeah i say that we provisionally go with the touch screen or wh y wh what was your thought on the matter ron i am thinking that is definitely a good idea and i also think that we could probably come up with some sort of a cheaper means to to go about this kind of production see if we can cut some corners my my team in the on the 3rd floor suggested that right well and we can look into this other manufacturing option and maybe we can get em somewhere else cheaper yeah it is true we could initially go with what we have and if we can find them cheaper later on right it is a starting point anyway so no we could have a s very simple touch screen you know there is always the opportunity if it is going to be about the size of the ipod or whatever you know w we yeah i guess we can play around with it a bit alright let us let us say that okay so the touch screen will be our our main selling point here so i mean i think that we really have 2 main selling points i think that our casing and the voice recognition yeah cause with voice recognition i mean really this is pretty bells and whistles kinda remote the voice rec thing i mean if if we are looking at bottom line yeah now we are looking at upping the cost to 17 to get the touch screen on i think we might have to drop the voice rec i think we would have to decide between em definitely yeah to be honest we have the capa we have the design in house price wise i mean we have we have come up with this with this new voice we are using it for our coffee machines already true we have already got it i can pass you on that email from my guy in guy down the hall sounds good what do you think on it nathan about the voice rec i think if we we do both the obviously production costs are going to go way up but it does put it into it would become the rolls royce of remote controls basically pretty much it would be very nice i mean we we have to r reflect back on what our market research did say right and they said they wanted voice recognition course maybe they had not thought of this whole touch screen option but definitely we know the market is there for voice recognition so to say we have the technology and we are not going to use it even though we know it will sell is a call i do not think i can give the highs ups like really i can not go in and say no we are going to just ignore everything we know yeah does having both really up our costs i can not see how it would not i mean there is you know the old aphorism you can have it fast you can have it cheap or you can have it quality pick 2 of 3 you know you can not you can not have all 3 yeah yeah cause you you just upping the number of chips that you need to deal with each different function it is just impossible yeah well if we are going to pick betwe e alright so we have to pick between one of the 2 otherwise yeah we just it just becomes cost prohibitive what which which do we suspect we should hold 0 we should hold on to well we already have research backing voice recognition as you know fiscally solvent but i i i personally would tend to another direction but if that is what is going to sell i think that is what we need to go with and maybe we can table this touch screen for our next model i would have to side with that i think the voice recognition is simpler kay we already have the all the technology in house it is ready to go it is packaged it is what does the cost look like ron is it cheaper to do the v r or to do the touch screen well my p is nathan this is just off the top of my head keep in mind but i think the voice recognition would they are both they are both going to push the costs up but since we already have the technology in house for the voice recognition we are not going to have to do as much design work and sometimes the design work is what push the costs up right right if you know what i mean right i definitely have to agree with that last comment and we are still not then we do not have to deal with this battery issue nearly as much either we can stick with what we have already got in a lot other ways too okay so i am getting alright so more or less you guys think that 00 of the 2 of em the voice recognition will be better okay i think it is our lower risk option which for right now we can have it on the market sooner which is all in all our best option yeah okay sorted we will omit the touch screen in favor of voice recognition it is you and me outside a little here so and when are we going to have basic prototypes coming up next that is you guys is next step right yeah well we will we will sic we will sort out what it what f what else we are going to talk about for the prototype but yeah that is our next step yeah right it will be a developing of prototype okay are we going to talk now about the materials that we are going to use for the case and all those things yes we will just run through it yeah yeah okay you discussed either a lithium or a solar power would the solar power be enough to fuel a voice recognition or this kinesthetic one would that be enough to fuel a voice recognition remote control the solar power definitely would be but i think just to keep people from getting annoyed cause sometimes solar power fails and there is no way round that we should install a small backup battery yeah just to cover those moments when for whatever reason the remote has not been exposed to well what of people with like the t v in their basement like what if wha we can not guarantee sunlight everywhere so having a secondary source is probably yep it is true yeah it works about the same as a solar powered calculator and you know how those those do not really require that much light calculator yeah true true but obviously a little more light than a calculator but we are not talking about a lot of light does not have to be out taking a sunbath for a few hours a day or anything right right okay okay what do you think ron i am willing to agree with everything that has been said okay i have to say though that another idea is come up in my head if we are really not handling the remote control to a great extent we could possibly get away from the idea of having a hand held remote control and maybe kind of have a round remote control that kind of looks like a paperweight or something like that kind of a sleek little neat thing that sits on your table or something interesting yeah why why moving away from hand held why just a thought what is the idea well if you do not need to pick it up it could kind of be a selling point i if it has got voice recognition it can be technically anywhere in your room and still do its job do you think people that are people that buy a remote are they always going to want to use the voice recognition or is it just something that they do sometimes true and i probabl i think we are banking on selling it to more than just voice recognition people like we want it to work fundamentally as a basic manual too right well we have to have buttons on it too as well but that is done that is no bother i mean if you look at the catalog from places like with sharper image or whatever you know they might have or like who is it apple makes these really pretentious speakers with the th sub woofers you know like clear and glass and you know and then they got these little pyramidal type of speakers right yep yeah i mean why not have a little rounded kind of thing it could still have the basic buttons on it cause we are going for basic functionality primarily as well with the bu yeah and maybe a menu button and so forth you know use a channel button to scroll through the menu d if they want to record programs or whatever you know i mean we can sort that out i think i think you are on to something because we need to escape the traditional shape of a remote yeah maybe something that looks nice on a table is would be good even though and hand held the same time true way to go i think it is all about following apple is lead on a lot of these things yeah i am thinking of the airport portal you know like that little pod looking thing yeah those are nice exactly yeah i mean a nice although we do wh is i am recalling that she mentioned that we n need to get away from the surgical white kind of brushed aluminum thing and get back to it but you could have a very tasteful wood colored or earth tone kind of right that would be kinda neat terracotta bowl or something still i mean yeah along those lines yeah i like that i like that idea a lot let us see what we can do as far as that goes okay and the the material like the plastics and so forth we were discussing that being using like a rubber kind of softer feel you know li lik if you feel the the tip on this pen it is a bit gives just a bit yeah you know something where it is a a more advanced f form of plastic that has some kind of a tactile response to it right just kind of the squishy feel yeah which is the next big thing so that is not going to hurt us either kay yeah let us see if we can do a squishy non remote control looking remote control but to be fair yeah i mean you just c you could just put it literally put it on the the ni the coffee table next to the telly and say volume up right yeah i like it i like the idea that is good handy and we have sorted of discussed costs i guess we will a that is going to be a thing if we run a bit over budget that might be okay sorry about the lack of information on cost i just have not been provided that information by our manufacturers and i am just having to guess okay we will have more of an idea when the prototype have more of a we will have more of an idea later on and we just yeah go from there so we have revisited the touch screen and more or less ruled that out i think so we are more or less con we wh wh we are more or less in agreement that we want to have a a simple kind of function you know not too complex right well when the majority of people are only using the most primary functions on a daily basis although i am not saying we should completely rule out major functions they should be secondary at least if not functionally then visually like those should not be right like maybe have menu things take precedence yeah if if we are not going the touch screen route then we can just incorporate maybe something that folds out like what you often see on these kinds of remotes is the most basic functions up here and something that slides down to reveal the you know more complicated things right and they slide yes well and do we want to consider like an ipod screen which is not a touch screen but you are still scrolling through menu options in p think then we are hitting our cost issue again true we are still not making it easier then yeah we have also got the the me the thing of if we are going to have a non remote looking remote how do we yeah yeah true fair enough b but no i mean we could do a slide or a compartment you know like if it say it is a lit little vaguely ovoidal type of thing it would be easy to have a compartment in there yeah or you know a b a b a a series of you know 3 or 4 buttons with a menu button and then a side an s up and down type of thing like on like on a d v d player you know you see the modern d v d players will just have a menu button on the side and then 4 buttons around them and you can just kind of maneuver through the menu like that yeah it is just a scroll right yeah so are we going to are we talking we need to figure out what kind of buttons we are going to use are we going to use scroll buttons rubber buttons well it seems like i dunno it seems to me that we could just do the stick with the rubber cause since we are probably going to be using some kind of rubber for the outside case we might as well stick with that yeah probably right i think to a certain extent we have to stick with kind of a little bit traditional in terms of the buttons and then and then make our unique feature our casing and what not and our voice command right well no it is basic just like 4 directions that are that can use as menu or channel and volume or however you want to do it are really versatile and everybody is already got them to some extent on the remotes they already own so it is not like we are dealing with everybody relearning things cause that is not something anybody is going to want to buy a new for right kay we have already kind of covered this as well that seems to be selling and we we have more or less agreed that we want to kar target this youth market especially now with 18 to 35 year olds being such a large quantity of the population right particularly in technological fields so that is exactly where we are headed okay yeah alright well more or less covered what we need to cover i think fi an an any final thoughts before we think about doing the protot moving on to the prototype well what are we actually doing right what were i was just going to step on to i was not 0 it was not in the way but yeah whatever 0 my bad sorry no do not worry about it the yeah okay i was just going to assign tasks in the next b anyth any oth any other final thoughts before we go ahead and cool sure okay yeah so have we decided that we are going to go with different style cases for different people or are we just going to go with one yeah yeah right well then again colors would not be so hard to do you could have a you know a kind of a natural wood color there is an idea like a stained wood and i do not know olive green or something yeah that would not be so much of a problem to incorporate into the color of the thing and again copying imac is kind of for ipod mac apple is color scheme yeah get in there yeah totally yeah i think that is probably a good id okay so let us work on multiple case colors but yeah stick with the same kind of kinda yeah the same basic non remote kind of remote design cool alright so we will have the next meeting about half an hour i want the i would like nathan i would like you to work on just the basic look and feel what can we accomplish given these parameters that we are just going to sort of have this kind of non remote remote what are our broad constraints before we deve design a prototype right and ron if you can figure out how probably best to lay out this idea of this simple design with the voice recognition built in and also this kind of drop down or s on the side kind of menu options simple somehow work out how we can get this all s in the same place and if you can check product evaluation with m some pilots and stuff i need you guys to work together on making a prototype using prototype building materials and also specific instructions will be sent to you by your coaches as well 0 excellent yeah so that is what to start with for now is that alright you guys feel clear about this cool that sounds good fabulous alright i guess we will just hit the bricks thanks guys cool" ]

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[ "that well thank you that is great that is great okay okay all right let me just powerpoint this up right so this meeting will be about the conceptual design do not ask me precisely what conceptual design is it is just something important that we need to do i think of it is kind of turning the abstract into slightly more concrete and this meeting ideally will come to some final decisions on what we are going to do for the prototype right so apologies for the last meeting it was brought to my attention that i did not make the rules clear enough so i will attempt to do so more accurately in this particular meeting fair enough thanks for the input it is always good so basically all we are going to do is have some presentations again much like last time i am going to go through you whoever wants to go 1st is fine by and me and we will collate what we know about what we discussed in the last meeting possible directions and then we will make some more decisions on firm up our idea on how we want this remote control to look and work so perfect so without further ado whoever wants to go 1st is free to i will go 1st all right nathan take it away it is nathan right i am not calling you the wrong name over no nathan is fine good it is either nathan or participant too mister participant too that is nice okay nice basically what i am going to have to talk to you about today is component design and it has been brought to my attention that we may be somewhat limited as to what we can do because of what our manufacturer offers so basically what i am going to be doing is talking to you about that components of remote control ok we have already kind of gone over this but we are going to have to get into more detail and probably have to reach some conclusions sometime soon energy source our manufacturer offers a variety of energy sources your standard battery solar cells our manufacturer did not say anything about lithium so we might have to look if we do go that route we might have to look elsewhere and also there is a kinetic energy possibility basically it is like the idea of moving the remote would create enough energy to keep it running so that is one possibility but i do not know whether that would be powerful enough to illuminate a touchscreen so we will have to look into that the case we have a few options plastic rubber or wood and then as far as the way it is shaped we can do standard boring flat which we probably do not want to do curved or very sexy double curved what kind of thickness are we looking at i imagine that we could specify i do not see any reason to go outside of the convention of 3 or 4 millimeters okay very good the buttons there are multiple skull buttons available for a manufacturer but to use those we would have to use more chips and that would cost us more and if we do go with rubber double curved case we will have to use rubber push buttons because the other buttons are not compatible with that and just a little note there touchscreen equals mini chips which equals mini euro right one thing that i noticed is that most remotes operate on a on the infrared part of the spectrum so you notice when you push a button on the remote you can not see anything coming out of it but in fact there is light coming out of the remote and the television can detect that and if you were to record if you were to make a video recording you could actually see the light one thing that i thought might be interesting was to use visible light coming out of the remote just kind of as a fun gimmick so you could actually see something coming out of the remote when you pushed it of course it would have to be a part of the spectrum that would not damage the human eye maybe is there an option that we could have that off or on so a person could select like yeah i am sure that we could do that yeah i like the idea it is a good idea yeah just as a fun gimmick just set it is part a little bit then onto the circuit board that we are going to use also known as the chip we really do not have any way around the ta 11 835 findings okay we are very limited by what our current manufacturers can offer my question to all of you is should we look to other manufacturers or just make to do with what we have available interesting question it is a bit of a challenge question well i would say shop around but with our time constraints is that really a feasible option right that is my concern too if we do go to the lithium battery routes then we will have to go outside current manufacturer my personal preference is i will just throw my cards on the table i think we should probably go to solar battery route just to kind of keep with the environmentally friendly theme that we have going on i like the idea of the visible light signaling is something to set us apart and i was thinking about i was thinking of ways that we could produce the remote in a variety of different case materials to suit different tastes so we are not so confluence find by one style and say some you know say the one if we just go with one and it does not go over well then we are in a bad situation right can we do marketing piloting too try to see what kind of before we launch can we see how they received it is an option actually there is i have got some research already on like what we are looking at and trends in casing right now which actually might even come into play beforehand okay perfect okay perfect okay perfect decide for now great thank you very much yeah yeah it is perfect so i guess that makes sense for you to take it from here i guess so because i found some interesting things fascinating compelling you i know what a teeter right right so current market trends screen basically i was looking at what is going on in the remote control market right now and what is going on in other design fields to see sort of what is what is trendy what is new what is happening remote control right now basically everybody says they want newer fancier more exciting they are sick of this boring normal functional that we need innovative design options and it needs to be an easy user interface the challenge is that current trends right now across the board in fashion in furniture in technology is a very organic vegetable kind of thing now i am not saying we should have you know tomato shaped remote controls or anything but i think it is possible maybe to use natural colors like if wood is an option that whole organic sleek clean line thing maybe something we can look into different skin options or if we can not afford this touch plate thing or touch face screen interface maybe having the images be specific like you could choose your menu bullets to be different not the example i would choose but you know what i mean to sort of and apparently the feel of the next couple of years is spongy not something i have come up with a definite restaurant though if we can get around to getting piloting i thought maybe a casing option like a not like a skin but like a holder almost if you could do like leather options or wood options or something i should have mentioned this as far as the rubber that we can use we can use a rubber as part of the case it has a consistency of those stress balls might be an interesting way to go slick yeah so something to sit on for now so overall i think we should stick with what we are finding everybody is looking for easy to use technologically innovative and this fancy new i think perhaps the double curve thing and maybe this rubber option is our best way to go for right now interface 0 the interface graphics for the air well but then if the touchscreen thing is not going to work out for us that is really non issue i like the idea of rubber too because it tends to be associated with being durable something that you can drop and it does not matter you go to so many houses these days and you see broken remote controls true taped with duct tape very much so you would have that problem we could have a duct tape casing i could i think that goes against the whole fancy something in the line but worth shot i could go to the granola crowd 0 great yeah that is what i know great thanks for that sarah no problem ron computer is adjusted one moment please interface concept by your faithful user interface design so user interface guys is basically aspects of a computer system that we can see or here or otherwise perceive commands and mechanisms that basically user uses to control the operating system here is a series of different remote controls that are out on the market today i think we are definitely trying to get away from this kind of a look so the following are a bunch of different interface concepts voice recognition we actually have some new information from our research design team get to that in a moment so current voice recognition starts up to about 80 speech samples and basically record your own verbal labels and connect them to the remote control now our design team research team has been able to set up a system in which you can teach the remote control voice recognition system to respond to you with standard responses like you could say good morning remote control and it will say in a sexy female voice good morning joe in fact we already have this for a coffee maker line a lot of single people on the on the remote control research team at here another concept is what apple has come up with the spinning wheel with lc display like on the ipods which i am sure most of you know about then we have this scroll button with integrated push button kind of like a modern loss a bit bulky a bit crazy i do not think that is what we are necessarily going for and some special components ideas like blocking having the ability to block channels for your children and dedicated buttons for commonly used channels and even ideas like secured or hidden programming but again if we go with touch i mean i do not think that is a big issue and this is kind of the big daddy of remote the jumbo universal remote control is almost impossible to misplace yeah i can see again probably not what we are going for so i mean my idea is here and kind of where i think we are heading is something slightly larger than a regular ipod with a hard plastic casing although i think some of the suggestions we have come up with are definitely very good ideas changeable casings our design team was possibly talking about including one extra faceplate with a package to kind of set the idea that you can change it and you can try changing and kind of get used to thinking about maybe buying another one which can add value to our bottom line touch screen edge face possibly having go to buttons being stuck into the system so those do not move away from the screen screen the important ones like power volume and jump between channels and of course our voice command system which i have talked a little bit about already and the use of recognizable colors in shave state recognition of the features that are around so red for power arrows for different volume ups and downs and channels ups and downs and whatnot and perhaps you were adding in some stupid little jokes with the voice recognition idea like for instance my toasty maker that i got from my bank has jokes when it is ready nice great and that is about it great and that is about it great wonderful ron cool a lot of good ideas good facts to have that is what they need it is like a little dongle it just sticks up this further so you do not have to stand up every time yeah my kingdom right so good to know all that stuff thanks guys now we kind of have to come to some decisions i figure we can just go down the line and all 3 of us can have a chat about it based on what nathan presented as far as the the i figure we can just go down the line i am going to various costs and benefits i think i do not know what do you guys think about the touch screen at this point i think it is our most marketable feature just because it is so new and it is something that is showing up in other places okay but can we really afford it because it looks like that would be a really main cost source then right my estimate is that in order to incorporate touch screen technology it is going to cost those upwards of $1750 it is pretty easy to do yeah that is just an estimate that well you guys are always the dampers on these you are industrial designer i know and our goal was to be under $1250 or we have to be under $1250 well i thought there was some flexibility with that okay there is it is just it is a it is a question of and how much does that mean we are going to have to increase the price to make money from 1250 if we want to get a 100% profit margin that would mean selling it for 25 if you multiply 1750 by 2 that is 35 right so where do you guys come off with these numbers it is just at the top of my head it is pending for their emails from the board well i think that is what people would pay for i mean if you are going to pay for an expensive high class remote you are going to expect to do something that is true i mean it would be in a class of it joan yeah and that is to be fair the percent of the market we are not going for mass you know mass sales anyway we are going to make i mean we are not talking about selling 8 zillion of these things just could not not for €25 so we could probably maybe shrink the profit margin rather than selling them for 25 sell them for 30 but that is something we can have finance deal with i say that we provisionally go with the touch screen what was your thought of the matter on i am thinking that is definitely a good idea and i also think that we could probably come up with some sort of a cheaper means to go about this kind of production my team my team on the 3rd floor suggested them to them well and we can look into this other manufacturing option you can get them somewhere else cheaper it is true we could initially go with what we have and if we can find the shipping we could have this very simple touchscreen you know there is always the opportunity if it is going to be about the size of the ipod or whatever yeah i guess we can play around a fit of it all right let us say that okay so the touch screen will be our main selling point here i mean i think that we really have 2 main selling points i think that our casing and the voice recognition i mean really this is pretty bells and whistles kind of remote the voice rec thing i mean if we are looking at bottom line now we are looking at upping the cost of 17 to get the touch screen on i think we might have to drop the voice record i think we would have to decide between them definitely yeah to be honest we have the case we have the design in house i mean we have come up with this up with this we are using it for coffee machines already i can pass you on that email from my guy and guy down the hall sounds good what do you think on anything about the voice rack i think if we do both obviously production costs are going to go way up but it does put it into to become the rolls royce of remote controls basically pretty much very nice i mean we have to reflect back on what our market research did say right and they said they wanted voice recognition of course maybe they had not thought of this whole touchscreen option but definitely we know the market is there for hoax recognition so to say we have the technology and we are not going to use it even though we know it will sell is a call i do not think i can give the eyes up like really i can not go in and say no we are going to just ignore everything we know thing we know yeah does having both really up our costs i can not see how it would not i mean there is you know the old aphorism you can have it fast you can have it cheap you can have it quality pick 2 of 3 you know you can not have all 3 yeah because you are just an up being a number of chips that you need to deal with each different function well if we are going to pick between all right so we have to pick between one of the 2 otherwise yeah it just becomes cost prohibitive which do we suspect we should hold on to well we already have research backing voice recognition as you know fiscally solvent but i personally would tend to another direction but if that is what is going to sell i think that is what we need to go with and maybe we can table this touchscreen for our next model i would have to side with that i think the voice recognition is simpler we already have all the technology in house it is ready to go it is packaged what does the cost look like juan is it cheaper to do the vr to do the touchscreen nathan well it is just off the top of my head keep in mind but i think the voice recognition would they are both they are both going to push the cost up but since we already have the technology in house for the voice recognition we are not going to have to do as much design work and sometimes design work is what pushed the cost up right if you know what i mean right i definitely have to agree with that last and we are still not then we do not have to deal with this battery issue nearly as much either we can stick with what we have already got in a lot of other ways too okay so i am getting all right so more or less you guys think that of the 2 of them the voice recognition will be better i think it is our lower risk option which for right now we can have it on the market sooner which is all and all our best option okay sorted we will omit the touchscreen in favor of voice recognition so and when are we going to have basic prototypes coming up next that is you guys the next step right yeah well we will sort out what it what what else we are going to talk about more of the prototype but yeah that is our next step are we going to talk now about the materials that we are going to use for the case we will just run through it yeah okay you discussed either a lithium or a solar power would the solar power be enough to fuel a voice recognition of this kinesthetic one would that be enough to fuel a voice recognition remote control the solar power definitely would be but i think just to keep people from getting annoyed because sometimes solar power fails there is nowhere around that we should install a small backup battery just to cover those moments when for whatever reason the remote has not been exposed to well people with like the tv in their basement like we can not guarantee sunlight everywhere so having a secondary source is probably it works about the same as a solar powered calculator and you know how those do not really require that much light true obviously a little more light than a calculator but we are not talking about a lot of light it does not have to be out taking a sunbath through our stay or anything okay what do you think rob i am willing to agree with everything that has been said okay i have to say though that another idea has come up in my head if we are really not handling the remote control to a great extent you could possibly get away from the idea of having a handheld remote control and maybe kind of have a round remote control that kind of looks like a paperweight or something like that kind of a sleek little neat thing that sits on your table or something interesting just a thought why moving away from handheld why it is the well if you do not need to pick it up it could kind of be a selling point it has got voice recognition it can be technically anywhere in your room and still do its job do you think people that buy remote are they always going to want to use the voice recognition it is just something that they do sometimes true and probably i think we are banging on selling it to more than just voice recognition people like we want it to work fundamentally we have to have button on it too as well right but that is no that is no bother i mean if you look at the catalog from places like with sharper image or whatever you know they might have or like who is it apple makes these really pretentious speakers with the subwoofers you know like clear and glass and you know they have got the little pyramidal type of speakers i mean why not have a little rounded kind of thing it could still have the basic buttons on it because we are going for basic functionality primarily as well and maybe a menu button so forth you know use a channel button to scroll through the menu if they want to record programs or whatever you know i think you are on to something because we need to escape the traditional shape of remote maybe something that looks nice on a table would be good even though and handheld at the same time i think it is all about following apple is lead a lot of the airport portal you know like that little pod looking thing yeah exactly yeah i mean and i am a nice although we do as i am recalling that she mentioned we need to get away from the surgical white kind of brushed a little bit of thing and get back to it but you could have a very tasteful wood colored or earth tone kind of terracotta bowl or something still i mean yeah along those lines yeah i like that i like that idea a lot let us see what we can do as far as that goes okay and the material like the plastics and so forth we were discussing that being a using like a rubber kind of softer feel you know if you feel the tip on this pen is a bit gives just a bit you know something where it is a more advanced form of plastic that has some kind of a tactile response to it right just kind of the squishy feel yeah which is the next big thing so that is not going to hurt us either okay yeah let us see if you can do a squishy non remote control looking remote control but to be fair yeah i mean you could just literally put it on the coffee table next to the telly and say volume up i like it i like the idea that is good and we have sort of discussed costs i guess that is going to be a thing if we run a bit over budget then it might be okay okay sorry about the lack of information costs i just have not been provided information by manufacturers we will have more of an idea with the prototype we will have more of an idea later on and we will just yeah go from there so we have revisited the touch screen and more or less ruled that out i think so we are more or less can we are more or less in agreement that we want to have a a simple kind of function you know not too complex right well when the majority of people are only using the most primary functions on a daily basis although i am not saying we should completely rule out major functions they should be secondary at least if not functionally then visually like those should not be right like maybe have many of things if we are not going to touch screen route then we can just incorporate maybe something that folds out what you often see on these kinds of remotes is the most basic functions up here and it is something that slides down to reveal the more complicated things well do you want to consider like an ipod screen which is not a touchscreen but you are still scrolling through menu options i think then we are hitting our cost issue again and we have also got the thing of if we are going to have a non remote looking remote how do we yeah fair enough but no i mean we could do a slide or a compartment you know like if it is a little vaguely avoidal type of thing it would be easy to have a compartment in there or you know a series of you know 3 or 4 buttons with a menu button and then a side and down type of thing like on a dvd player you know you see the modern dvd players will just have a menu button on the side and then 4 buttons around them and you can just kind of maneuver through the menu like that so are we going to we need to figure out what kind of buttons we are going to use are we going to use scroll buttons rubber buttons well it seems like i do not know it seems to me that we could just do the stick with the rubber because we are probably going to be using some kind of rubber for the outside case we might as well stick with that great i think to a certain extent we have to stick with a little bit traditional in terms of the buttons and then make our unique future our casing and what that and our voice command well and those basic just like 4 directions that can use as menu or channel and volume or however you want to do it are really versatile and everybody is already got them to some extent on remote they already own so it is not like we are dealing with everybody relearning things because that is not something anybody is going to want to buy new 4 right okay we have already kind of covered this as well seems to be selling and we are more or less agree that we want to target this youth market especially now with 18 to 35 year olds being such a large quantity of the population particularly in technological fields so it is exactly overheaded okay yeah all right well more or less covered what we need to cover i think any final thoughts before we think about moving out of the prototype well what are we actually doing right i was just going to step on to 0 0 it was not in the way but 0 my bad sorry no no we are at it yeah okay i was just going to assign tasks in the next any other final thoughts before we go ahead and cool so have we decided that we are going to go with different style cases for different people or are we just going to go with one it is very hard thing to predict because you have different cases and that might open up your market a little bit obviously but you have just one case and it does not go over well yeah in some situations obviously having more cases also cost more well then again colors would not be so hard to do you could have a you know a kind of a natural wood color like a stained wood and i do not know olive green or something that would not be so much of a problem to incorporate into the color of the rubber i do not think and again copying imax kind of for ipod mac apple is color scheme yeah totally yeah i think that is probably a good idea okay so let us work on multiple case colors but yeah stick with the same kind of kind of yeah the same basic non remote kind of remote design cool all right so we will have the next meeting about half an hour i went to the i would like nathan i would like you to work on just the basic look and feel what can we accomplish given these parameters that we have sort of sort of out this kind of non remote remote are our broad constraints before we design a prototype and ron if you can figure out how probably best to lay out this idea of the simple design with the voice recognition built in and also this kind of drop down or on the side kind of menu options simple somehow work out how we can get this all in the same place and if you can check product evaluation within some pilots and stuff i need you guys to work together i am making a prototype using prototype building materials and also specific instructions will be sent to you by your coaches as well so that is what to start with for now is that all right that sounds good fabulous all right i guess we will just hit the bricks thanks guys cool thank you" ]

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[ "good morning sorry yeah busy job good morning so 0 good morning everyone good morning good morning i would like to welcome you to our 1st meeting i have prepared a little presentation my name is and i hope you will introduce yourself in a few minutes as will i i am the project manager of this project and well i will tell you on what actually is the project this is the agenda for our 1st meeting this is the opening then we will get i will hope we will get acquainted to each other we will do a little tool training with these 2 things we will take a look at the project plan there will be time for discussion actually we have to discuss because we have to create a product and then we will close this session but 1st of all we i would like to introduce you to this room as you probably have noticed there are little black fields on the table you have to put your laptop exactly in that field so the little cameras can see your face there are cameras everywhere around the room especially here for your face of course and this is not a pie it is a a set of microphones and there are microphones here also but please do not be afraid of them they will not hurt you well well i said i am the project manager and i am hoping for a good project and i would like to hear who you are and what your functions are on this project let us start with the ladies well i am and my function is user interface design i think so that is me okay i am i am the industrial designer and i hope to look forward to a very pleasing end of this project okay so i me too my name is i am marketing expert my job is in the company to promote company or promote products to the customers so i also h hope we have a pleasant working with with each other okay well we have some expertise from different pieces of the of the company that is good well i said we are working on a project and the aim for the project is to to create a to design a new remote control which has to be original trendy and of course user friendly and i hope we have the expertise to create such a project such a product the way we hope to achieve that is the following methods it consists of 3 phases namely the functional design conceptual design and detailed design as you can see all of these phases consists of 2 parts namely individual work part and a meeting where we will discuss our work so far okay but 1st i will tell you something about the tools we have here i already talked about the cameras and microphones but they are not of much use to us we will have to take advantage of these 2 things they are smart boards as you can see you can give a presentation on them and this one here is a white board i will instruct you about that soon as you also noticed this presentation document is in our project folder and every document you put in this folder is it is possible to show that here in our meeting room and yeah there are available on both smart boards but i think we will mainly use this one for the documents in the shared folder as you can see this is the same tool bar as is located here the most functions we will use will be to to add a new page to go back and forward between pages and of course to save it every now and then and this is the pen with which you can draw on the board for instance like this if everything is okay but i 1st have to put it on the pen you see i am new to it too and then you can write things like test or whatever you want 0 as you can see you have to move it a little bit slow it is not such a fast board it is a smart board but also a slow board but you can write things and of course you can also when you click here erase things so we have est left and you can also delete an entire page but we ask you not to do that just simply create a new one and start all over because we want to save all the results does everyone understand this so we can not erase anything yeah nice application well you can erase it with the eraser but you should not delete an entire page but just create a new blank one right s i will delete this one now because we do not use it yet alright but you can of course erase when you make a mistake but do not delete entire pages and you can also let us see i think it is here change the color of your pen for instance take a blue one and change the line width like to 5 that is what you will need for our 1st exercise because i am going to ask you to draw your favorite animal it is also to gets to know each other because i am asking 3 things for that drawing to do it on a blank sheet okay with different colors and i just showed you how to pick a color and also with different pen widths which i also showed you and a favorite characteristic can be just one word well i am not very good at drawing but i will go 1st and try to draw or maybe you should guess what i am drawing eh good no it is a sheep dinos dinosaur seal a seal beaver a beaver a be well it it is weird could be everything with a tail and a mouth maybe when i put on it has wings turtle this thing it could be a turtle or a snail and snail well the snail does not have legs okay but a turtle has and those are slow and i hope our project group will not be slow but we will work to a good result and do it as fast as we can okay time for another animal would you like to go next no problem sure no problem 0 right it was 4 months nice okay well the hell to make it a little bit easier it is a giraffe make that cute or a dinosaur no it is a giraffe kay i think it is easy to r to recognize as a giraffe yes giraffe yeah the favorite charis characteristic is that the long neck it can reach everything and i hope i can also reach a lot with this project so that is my favorite animal okay anything else you need to know could you write the words underneath it 0 or more words tall tall so kay should i alright so i can draw but well 0 b it is a mouse bunny rabbit a bunny rabbit 0 wrong one well you can guess what it is i hope huh no problem it is a rabbit little rabbits and well it is quick i guess that is my favorite animal okay thank you okay and our final drawing bob ross dolphin a dolphin okay i draw i i have drawn a dolphin because of its intelligence one of the most intelligent right animals in our world well yeah intelligent with an e i have i have eraser you can try out the eraser now pen well not perfect but okay okay well thank you very much i can see we have some drawing talent in this group huh not really well nice animals nice words sounds good back to business back to the money part from the finance department i have learned that we are aiming for a selling price of €25 and we are hoping for a aim of €50000000 and we are hoping to achieve that by aiming for an international market and the production cost will be €12 50 max okay well it is time for some discussion i have wrote down some examples here of what we can can speak about what is your experience with remote controls what kind of ideas do you have to design a new remote control maybe for which market segments should we aim or should we aim for all segments well actually i would like to hand the word back to you what is your experience with remote control a lot of buttons i always lose them yeah and you always lose them yes a lot of buttons which you do not use or who you do not use complex yeah complex yeah not user friendly search for the buttons which one is which and no no boring boring it is not fun to use a remote no black all black well so yeah black colors well maybe we should try to make it fun they use batteries and batteries and poor signal yeah the the angle you have to use perhaps that you have a lot of road remotes r road con remote controls you had different remote controls for different devices yeah different remote controls yeah yes perhaps you can integrate them or something yes for the use of different devices yes yeah your stereo and your t v and perhaps that is an idea yeah but then again you you still have a lot of buttons so yeah that is right yeah but you could i thin there is a possibility to g to and which you do not use to put those buttons behind some kind of protection so that if y y you only get to see them when you need em flap yeah right yeah okay that is possible but it will get very big the the remote control that is possible so that you only get the no n n no yeah you should just give it to just for example you got th the same size remote control you use everyday but the usual buttons such as zapping as you call it in dutch changing channel and the volume control are only the only possible buttons to use directly or the numbers of course numbers but not the buttons used to search on the the channels on your television on and off you only use those the 1st time or yeah play pause stop so so maybe a a minimalist design the least possible amount of buttons yeah i think so yeah yes but you should make sure that you have every button they need on it of course because things for teletext i dunno w what is the name yeah teletext think so okay so you do not want to bother people with loads of buttons but on the other hand they need many buttons so they do not have to get out of their seat no yeah yeah but right because i think a market will be all kind of people elderly p el elderly young people so but if if it is if it is international you should look in think in britain they have different things they can do with the t v or so that you can choose what you want to see i dunno if you should take that in consideration or that you just should aim for the normal t v s that yeah i think that is the better one because yeah i i understand and the b b c i think if you you are going to target a lot of people and the whole world and only britain then i think the cost will rise higher than the 1250 no yes i think yeah i do not know if the they have that anywhere else though i think the aim is better to use the whole world and britain yeah yeah yeah we can leave that when i think of it i think the main idea of this remote remote control is not that much to make it user friendly so i think when p when the customers will buy this remote control they already have the remote control which companies with the the standards remote control with which comes with the television yeah standard deliver so it only has to have the most used buttons you do not have to integrate the buttons to search the channels on your television in those in that no but well but but then you have to to find your other remote control if you want to search yeah yeah th it it is i think that is not that is not yeah but i but it is impossible to to accommodate accommodate all the buttons on the s on the difference different televisions sets on one remote control yeah that is right it is impossible yeah okay because for example sony television has the opportunity to s to make to make it possible for to see on one side of the screen teletext and on the other side just n regular television no yeah that is i think n m n most televisions nowadays do this yeah but they do not use the same signal on remote control well not everywhere so i think numerals because you can not use a panasonic remote control on a on a philips television yeah but then you have to choose the this always with r universal remotes you have to choose the code yeah you can choose the code you can use which which type of television you have okay okay that is no problem okay but i think like the 2 pages on the same screen like teletext and normal television that is that is nowadays standard i think okay but i think that most people th will buy the remote control because because the 1st they lost the one they lost 1st one or the 1st one is broken simplicity yeah so perhaps they have a got a an older television so that option is not optional for those people yeah yeah yeah yeah g available but the people have a new television and c if you look into the future then they want will want the button if their thing is broke true yeah yeah yeah so we should take that in consideration yeah okay well any more ideas 0 no of course no guess not things will come up yeah okay yeah well we have some time let us see what more i have to tell you i do not think there is much left nope we are starting to close our next meeting will start well we are a little bit early but our next meeting will start in in 30 minutes in the meantime there is time for some individual actions as you can see the different roles have different tasks and there is a ping is it my laptop yeah yep stop the meeting now ah well that is good 5 minutes and the meeting is over right on schedule yeah meeting will close in 5 minutes okay the marketing expert will will take a look at the user requirement specification the user interface designer will work out the technical functions design and this was the interface designer or the interaction designer or what was it i d no no interface interface interface designer okay 1st guess was right will take a look at the the working design no the industrial designer will take a look at the working design and the in usability interaction yeah okay no the yeah industrial designer okay sorry let us just use the acronyms okay so and of course specific instructions will be sent to you through your personal coach so i should look at what you should be able to do with the remote or or how i do not really well those instructions will be in the email you will receive shortly i hope right alright me too and of course you have your own expertise well that was what i had to say huh are there any more questions okay no no no okay well i think then we have to head back to our offices and start working i have one question okay okay one question 0 where does it says we have to make a remote because i presumed she did not know who okay no no problem no problem okay we are still going no problem okay well i expect everything will be much clearer with the instructions we will receive shortly okay yeah alright okay well see you all in about 30 minutes then alrighty yeah okay thank you very much yeah okay" ]

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[ "if we are something over then it is going to go here right here right my laptop went out my laptop went out you are so i am so there so it does not get rid of or so if it has no stream or so or so that thing really not good morning good morning good morning so i am it is a i think it is like so no i think no i think no what what 0 it is all right yeah i am going to so i am yeah i know if you are yeah i know for it is specials okay sorry good morning so good morning so well good morning everyone good morning i would like to welcome you to our 1st meeting i have prepared a little presentation my name is marim plym my name is maureen plomp and i hope you will introduce yourself in a few minutes as well i i am the project manager of this project and well i will tell you further on what actually is the project this is the agenda for our 1st meeting this is the opening then we will get i hope we will get acquainted to each other we will do a little tool training with these 2 things we will take a look at the project plan the project plan there will be time for discussion actually we have to discuss because we have to create a product and then we will close this session but 1st of all i would like to introduce you to this room as you probably have noticed there are little black fields on the table you have to put your laptop exactly in that field so the little cameras can see your face there are cameras everywhere around the room especially here for your facebook course and this is not a pie it is a set of microphones and there are microphones here also but please do not be afraid of them they will not hurt you well as said i am the project manager and i am hoping for a good project and i would like to hear who you are and what your functions are on this project let us start with the ladies i am imke de jong and my function is user interface design i think so that is me okay i am wesleyan maurer i am the industrial designer and i hope to look forward to a very pleasing end of this project okay my name is danny mangaral i am a marketing expert my job is in the company to promote the company of product to the customers so i also i also i also hope we have a pleasant working with each other okay well we have some expertise from different pieces of the company that is good well as said we are working on a project and the aim for the project is to create a to design a new remote control which has to be original trendy and of course user friendly and i hope we have the expertise to create such a project such a product the way we hope to achieve that is through the following methods it consists of 3 phases namely the functional design conceptual design and detailed design as you can see all of these phases consist of 2 parts namely individual work part and a meeting where we will discuss our work so far okay but 1st i will tell you something about the tools we have here i have only talked about the cameras and microphones but they are not a full much use to us we will have to take advantage of these 2 things they are smart boards as you can see you can give a presentation on them and this one here is a whiteboard and i will instruct you about that soon as you also noticed this presentation document is in our project folder and every document you put in this folder is possible to show that here in our meeting room and yeah there are available on both smart boards but i think we will mainly use this one for the documents in the shared folder as you can see this is the same toolbar as is located here the most functions we will use will be to add a new page to go back and forward between pages and of course to save it every now and then and this is the pen with which you can draw on the board for instance like this everything is okay but i 1st have put it on the pen you see i am new to it too and then you can write things like test or whatever you want as you can see you have to move it a little bit slow it is not such a fast board it is a smart board but also a slow board but you can write things and of course you can also when you click here erase things so we have est left and you can also delete it an entire page but we ask you not to do that just simply create a new one and start all over because we want to save all the results does everyone understand this so you can erase anything well you can erase it with the eraser but you should not delete an entire page just create a new blank one i will delete this one now because we do not use it yet but you can of course erase when you make a mistake but do not delete entire page pages and you can also let us see i think that is here change the color of your pen for instance take a blue one and change the line width 5 and that is what you will need for our 1st exercise because i am going to ask you to draw your favorite animal it is also to get to know each other because i am asking 3 things for that drawing to do on a blank sheet with different colors and i just showed you how to pick a color and also with different pen width which i also showed you and favorite characteristic can be just one word well i am not very good at drawing but i will go 1st and try to draw or maybe you should guess what i am drawing it is a sheep a zier a seal a beaver a beaver well it is weird could be everything we have a tail on a mary maybe when i put on a turtle this thing it could be a turtle a turtle a snail but a snail does not have legs what a turtle has and those are slow and i hope our project group will not be slow but we will work to a good result and do it as fast as we can okay time for another animal would you like to go next no problem no problem it was format what the hell to make it a little bit easier it is a giraffe is not that cute or a dinosaur no the giraffe okay i think it is easy to recognize that is a giraffe yeah the favorite characteristics is that the long neck it can reach everything and i hope i can also reach a lot with this project so that is my favorite animal okay anything else you need to write a word underneath it 0 more words toll so so okay i alright so i can draw but it is a mouse bunny rabbit bunny rabbit well you can guess what it is i hope it is a rabbit and well it is a quick i guess that is my favorite animal okay thank you and our final drawing bob ross dolphin a dolphin a dolphin because of his intelligence one of the most intelligent animals in our world deligent talent eraser you can try the eraser now then perfect but okay okay well thank you very much i can see we have some drawing talent in this group not really well nice animals nice words nice words sounds good back to business back to the money part from the finance department i have learned that we are aiming for a selling price of €25 and we are hoping for an aim of €50000000 and we are hoping to achieve that by aiming for an international market and the production costs will be 12050 max ok well it is time for some discussion i have wrote down some examples here of what we can speak about what is your experience with remote controls what kind of ideas do you have to design a new remote control maybe for which market segments should we aim or should we aim for all segments well actually i would like to hand the word back to you what is your experience with remote control a lot of buttons you always lose them yes a lot of buttons which you do not use complex not user friendly you need to search for the buttons which one is which and boring it is not fun to use a remote black all black so black colors yeah or maybe we should try to make it fun you use batteries and the last batteries and poor signal the angle you have to use a lot of remote different remote controls different remote devices perhaps you can integrate them or something for the use of different devices your stereo and your tv and perhaps then again you still have a lot of buttons yeah that is right yeah but i think there is a possibility to put those buttons behind some kind of protection so that you only get to see them when you need them yeah okay that is possible so that you only get the no no no no just for example you get the same size remote control you use every day but the usual buttons such as zapping which you call it in dutch and the volume control are only the only possible buttons to use directly or the numbers of course but not the buttons used to search on the channels on your television you use those the 1st time playpals stop so maybe a minimalist design that leaves a possible amount of buttons but you should make sure that you have every button they need on it things for teletext i do not know what is the name telects okay so you do not want to bother people with loads of buttons but on the other hand they need many buttons so they do not have to get out of their seat yeah yeah because i think the market will be all kinds of people all the elderly young people if it is international you should look in i think in britain they have different things they can do with the tv or so that you can choose what you want to see i do not know if you should take that in consideration just aim for the normal tvs yeah i think that is a better one because i think if you are going to target a lot of people and the whole world and only britain then i think the cost will rise higher than 1250 i think yeah i do not know if they have to be anywhere else i think it was better to use the whole world and britain yeah no i think of that i think the main idea of this remote controls to make user friendly so i think when the customers will buy this remote control they already have the remote control which companies the standard remote control which comes with a television so it only has to have the most used buttons you do not have to integrate the buttons to search the channels on your television in those then you have to find your other remote control if you want to search it is not yeah but it is impossible to accommodate all the buttons on the different televisions sets on one remote control it is impossible yeah okay because for example sony television has the opportunity to make it possible for to see on one side of the screen teletext on the other side just regular television i think most television nowadays do that yeah but they do not use the same signal on remote control because you can not use a panasonic remote control on a phillips television yeah but then you have to choose the there is always a universal remote you have to choose the code you can choose the code okay which type of television you have there is no problem okay i think like the 2 pages on the same screen like teletext and normal television that is nowadays standard okay i think the most people will buy the remote control because the 1st they lost the last 1st one the 1st one is broken so perhaps they have got an older television so that option is not optional for those people the people who have a new television and if you look into the future then they want will want to that if they are things broke so we should take that in consideration okay well any more ideas no of course i think they will come up okay yeah well we have some time let us see what more i have to tell you i do not think there is much left nope we are starting to close our next meeting will start well we are a little bit early but our next meeting will start in 30 minutes in the meantime there is time for some individual actions individual actions as you can see the different roles have different tasks and there is a ping is it my laptop yep stop the meeting now meeting will close in 5 minutes and the meeting so we are right on schedule the marketing expert will take a look at the user requirement specification the user interface designer will work out the technical functions design and this was the interface designer or the interaction designer no interface interface okay 1st guess was right we will take a look at the working design no the industrial designer will take a look at the working design and the usability interaction industrial design okay sorry okay let us just use the acronyms and of course specific instructions will be sent to you for your personal coach so i should look at what you should be able to do with the remote or how well those instructions will be in the email you will receive shortly i hope me too and of course you have your own expertise well that was what i had to say are there any more questions no no okay well i think then we have to have back to our offices and start working i have one question one question where does it say we have to make a remote we have to make a remote because i pursued this guy going did it no hope okay no problem i will still go well expect everything will be much clear with the instructions we will receive shortly okay well i will see you all in about 30 minutes then thank you very much i do not know i will tell you i will just fall do you have to fall yeah i am going to do this pay today" ]

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[ "oops so hello everyone we are here to have a kick off meeting for the design of a f for the beginning of new project remote control for the design for a new remote control i am the project manager christa pavlov and okay let us begin so i am 1st going to do an opening then we get used to one anothers and we speak about this tool we are going to design and try to make a project plan some discussion and then we talk of the next meeting so we want to to do a new remote control it has to be original trendy and user friendly i think the important points we have to t talk about are it is functional design it is conceptual design and desail detailed design and for that we are going all to work individually and then have meeting during the whole day so let us try the whiteboard wow so any of you who want to go yeah for favorite animals it is going to be not my favorite one but the one i can draw and it is going to be you will try to guess wow complex wow huh a cat no no no darn a rabbit yes that is a rabbit a what that is my favorite one a rabbit a r a rabbit 00 yeah where is the carrot rabbit that is it okay you want to go i am not very good at this kind of stuff my favorite animal is you wa wow a human ah guess a human yay it is a very complex animal and yeah no characteristics of this this animal is dangerous i think you are supposed to yeah is the white okay i guess you can wow that is cobra ah a kind of snake cobra exactly yeah not really small cobra no it just small cobra yeah huh is that a worm it is co c quite recognizable or what about you christa yeah christa pavlov chris christa christa a fish smiling fish smile fish okay a smiling fish so w whiteboard is working yeah yeah good next next let us talk about money just tr try to guess who is a user interface designer yeah well according to the drawings yeah you are not me okay so so €25 for a remote control yeah that is the price we want to that is the aim for the price for the remote control okay we aim to do this profit tis big number on the international market yeah yeah we are to sell 2000000 then wow for a production cost of €1250 maximum kay so any of you have experience in remote controls yes we have plenty at home yeah in fact my daughter likes l remote controls that to eat to eat yeah mainly and to break so that could be a great application remote controls children proof yeah ye ye yeah children proof so she likes buttons which make click so it has to click okay yeah pret so they have to be waterproof maybe it has to be wha baby proof yeah but mainly it has to be very robust because even if she is not very tall she is high enough so that when she throw it away it is cause they eat she ate it yeah ah so it has to be very robust okay unbreakable unbreakable yeah huh yeah we have some child lock or something yeah and it has to be nice looking yeah colorful maybe colorful yeah colorful that is not practical colorful because nobody has colorful remote control they are always black yeah but this one could be i dunno purple or b yeah no that is a good idea yeah it is always black or yeah no but how going to okay just but it is monochrome it is n it is not like yeah yeah yeah yeah no because you think why not yeah one color otherwise you will never find it yeah yeah yeah yeah even we can change colors no like the like the phones and these things we c yeah 0 like the phones yeah it could change colors yeah cool at least for children like one color and ch yeah good good idea and it should be really small and small also do not you think huh not so big like yeah no not too much buttons or yeah not too much buttons and should it be y you know these remote controls where they are what they call a universal ret remote control so y you can decide that now it is the remote control for the television then it is the remote control for the the sound system or for your refrigerator whatever i dunno if it is yeah yeah that is or if we should have a targeted re remote control okay so color robustness easy to use size yeah size matters yeah so i think there is yeah color size sh so you you think it is better if small than bigger yeah maybe at least n not bigger than this i guess yeah but without any extremes like n not of this size not too large no not too small yeah yeah yeah at least it should hold in your hand n properly like okay yeah yeah like a palm sized yeah just to hold it okay but what would be different from this from the others i dunno if maybe we can change the colors that at least the frame yeah at least the color would be different s so then it depends you are to i mean you c you can easily remove the frame i think one thing important for instance in this remote control if you remember when people use it they are they never find a good button in the right place yeah yeah for some reason they they they click the off button when they want to use the yeah yeah so there is a problem in the design of that kind of remote control somehow i dunno so some kind of idea with cellular phone with a a screen that will tell you what no no no screens it is too complex okay too expensive for €12 too expensive yeah and n maybe not too expensive well it is not my problem but well okay and too expensive ah but no screens on remote controls i thought it could be only a screen which would change depending on the use or even the user so ma i prefer to have the off button at the top right ye yeah so i would have my own design of the remote control because it is in fact just a a full touch screen remote control if you if you like i mean it it is like it is like 2 types no i do not know if it makes sense but people are right handed or left handed so y because i am left handed i use like this yeah for instance say if you are right handed you use like this or so tha your switch on and off should be on yeah so adaptable yeah something yeah adaptable maybe if if it is possible yeah alright good so how many actions do we need to implement in it huh maybe i think even we can keep 2 switches and then we can only make one working on off yeah we can adapt only one switch suppose here like we can make 2 switches and if i am left hander i use this switch to follow the main operations i mean if it is less than 3 then we can make it like a 2 3 buttons you mean like 3 mental states yeah you know what i mean we can just make it 3 option ah yeah yeah controlled by a brain huh yeah sure maybe if it is more if there is a software inside that ask you 3 if it if we want a r universal remote control that we sa like we say before it may may need more than 33 button 3 possibilities ye yeah sh sure sure yeah more than 3 actions that you may want to do at a given time yeah yeah but for standard actions you usually what do you do you change channels you adjust volume and nothing else yeah but for instance when you change channels you can have you can just go to the next one or go to channel 25 yeah and that is already more complex to go to channel 25 you do this yeah no i usually just change channels because i am only using 3 or 4 channels but yeah but they keep generally their t slash slash this thing and then the dash dash and then you can put yeah you can only have one bit yeah i change channel like this m i want to go to 25 and then to 10 huh yeah dash and then back to the one i was before so there is whichever it was also we can be here yeah that would be cool huh yeah you can yeah go back button is good yeah yeah we had that in in other countries i once had it yeah yeah the previous button is yeah yeah e even the history so you could like undo previous of the previous okay history 0 then you can watch what your ah you could also record your record your sequence of actions yeah that becomes more complex but you could look at what the other people have used there or remote controls yeah yeah what the which channels the viewer yeah maybe it is a okay so i think we have full of idea okay we are going to meet again in 30 minutes and i want you to work on these ideas and try to make a the ones make to decide what what are the ones important and what are the one that we do not want and m maybe more in the technical parts what do we want to do so your personal coach will send you some instruction for for this 30 minutes so what does m e means m e the user requirements or that is that is for us market expert marketing yeah that is me 0 of course yeah the user requirement specifications huh yeah okay okay i will think of that so so i think that is all meeting is over great yeah okay thank you thank you thank you everybody see you in 30 minutes" ]

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[ "so hello everyone we are here to have a kickoff meeting for the design of the beginning of a a new project and remote control for the design for a new remote control i am the project manager krista pavlov and let us begin so i am 1st going to do an opening then we get used to one another is and we speak about this tool going to design and try to make a project plan some discussion and then we took the next meeting so we want to do a new remote control it has to be original trendy and user friendly i think the important points we have to talk about are it is functional design its conceptual design and detailed design at the end and for that we are going all to work individually and then have meeting during the whole day so let us try to the white order so any of you want to go yeah for favorite animals it is going to be not my favorite one but the one i can draw and it is going to be you will try to guess wow complex a cat no darn a rabbit yes that is a rabbit a what a rabbit a rabbit a rabbit yeah where is the carrot that is it i am not very good at this kind of stuff my favorite animal is wow a human yes a human yay it is a very complex animal no and yeah characteristics of this animal is dangerous i think you are supposed to yeah okay i guess you can wow that is cobra a kind of snake cobra exactly not really small cobra no it is a small cobra yeah is that warm recognizeable what about you yeah christa problem christa christa a fish smiling fish next just try to guess who is a user interface designer according to the drawings not me so €25 for a remote control that is the price we want to that is the aim for the price for the remote control we aim to do aim to do this profit this big number international market yeah we had to sell 2000000 for a production cost of €1250 maximum so and if you have experience in remote controls yes we have plenty at home in fact my daughter likes very well remote controls to eat yeah mainly and to break so that could be a great application remote controls children proof yeah so she likes buttons which make click so it has to click so they have to be waterproof it has to be a baby proof but mainly it has to be very robust because even if she is not very tall she is high enough so that when she throw it away it is so it has to be very robust okay unbreakable we have some cell lock or something it has to be nice looking colorful maybe colorful that is not practical because nobody has colorful no it is always black yeah this one could be i do not know purple but how are going to okay just but it is monochrome it is not like no because you think one color why not otherwise you will never find it yeah even we can change colors not like the 0 like the phone like the phones yeah change color yeah at least for children like one color yeah good good idea and it should be really small and small also not you think not so big like no not too much buttons or yeah not too much buttons and should it be you know these remote controls where they are what they call universal remote so you can decide that now it is the remote control for the television then it is the remote control for the sound system or for your frigid or whatever i do not know if it is or if we should have targeted with remote control so color rauceness easy to use size yeah size matters yeah color size so you think it is better of small small than bigger maybe at least not bigger than this yeah but without an extremes like not of this size no too small yeah it should hold you know hand properly like yeah like a pound size yeah just to hold it but what would be different from this from the others i do not know if maybe we can change the colors that at least the frame yeah it is the color so then it depends you are to i mean you can easily remove the i think one thing is important for instance in this remote control if you remember when people use it they never find a good button at the right place for some reason they they click the off button when they want to use the so there is a problem in the design of that kind of remote control somehow so some kind of idea with a cellular phone with a screen that will tell you what no no screens it is too complex too expensive for €12 maybe not too expensive well it is not my point but no screens on remote controls i thought it could be only a screen which would change depending on the user or even the user so i prefer to have the off button that the button at the top right so i would have my own design of the remote control because it is in fact just a full touchscreen remote control if you if you like i mean i do not know if it makes sense but it is like 2 types no people are right hand or left handed so because i am left handed i use like this so if you are right handed you use like this so the your switch on off should be so adaptable yeah yeah it is possible yeah so how many actions do we need to implement in it maybe we can keep 2 switches and then we can only make one working we can adapt only one switch suppose here like we can make 2 switches and if i am left under i use this switch for the main operation i mean if it is less than 3 then we can make it like 3 buttons you mean like 3 mental states yeah you know what i mean you can just make it controlled by your brain yeah maybe it is more there is a software inside that ask you 3 if we want a universal remote control that we say before it may need more than 3 bottom 3 more than 3 actions that you may want to do at a given time but for standard actions you usually what to do you change channels you adjust volume and nothing else yeah but for instance when you change channels you can have you can just go to the next one or go to channel 25 and that is already more complex to go to channel 25 you do this no change channels because i am only using 3 or 4 channels but they keep generally the slash slash this thing and then the dash dash and then you can put yeah i change channel like this i want to go to 25 and then and then back to the one i was before also you can be yeah that would be cool go back button that is good yeah the previous button is yeah even the history so you could like undo the previous of the previous then you can watch what you are you could also record your record your sequence of actions that becomes more complex you could look at what the other people have used yeah yeah what channels the view yeah maybe it is okay i think we have a full of idea and we are going to meet again in 30 minutes and i want you to work on these ideas and try to make the ones to decide what are the ones important and one that we do not want and maybe more in the one that we do not want maybe more in the technical parts what do we want to do so your personal coach will send you some instruction for for these 30 minutes what does m e means m e the user requirement that is that is for us market expert 0 that is me of course yeah the user requirement specifications yeah okay i think of that so i think that so i think that is all meeting is over great okay thank you see you in 30 minutes i am going to" ]

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[ "okay welcome to the detailed design meeting again i am going to take minutes 0 we are going to have a prototype presentation 1st who is going to give the prototype presentation you 2 guys yes okay go ahead coffee kay we have made a prototype we have got our aspects from the last meeting especially we looked at the form material and the color we have drawn here the p prototype the logo is is is pretty obvious to see on the on the remote control but it is necessary when you want to build your company f to a level higher our interface elements there are shown in the in the drawing maybe you can point them the functions well the all the functions are discussed i think the most of the functions are obvious it is a little bit power button then the the the 9 channels the volume at the side and the other side is the programs and then we had just 2 buttons we place them in the middle the menu and for the teletext i thought that was th 0 no the the the mute button misses now alright i 0 the mute button do y do you did we want to have a m mute button yeah but that it is here then in the middle yeah alright and you got to point out which is the volume button and which is the program button huh yes we have disk well yeah mo mo yeah well most of them are right handed yeah but you you got to make it clear on the on most of the users yes y there there will be a p a little a little p on that and a little yeah yeah well i do not have time in anymore on the yeah and a and a triangle on that 0 yeah just progr program above i think yes next to that i kinda miss a 0 actually wait there is was one thing i wanted to ask there are different ways for remote controls to do like d i call it teens and 20s y th th th the 2 numbers yes all n no that is kinda dependent on the television yeah true yeah it is a television yes yeah but do we have do we need extra buttons for example some some have to i think so i think yes yes you have you have a lot of standard buttons that has to be on it th 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you the functionality of that that separate button you also had to apply yes but yeah well but su if some televisions do not accept that that yeah because that is i it is for television it is exact the same thing no no but s no no no so some television respond differently look if i i no listen listen when you push the button the remote control gives a signal i in th in the 1st place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it yes yes that is true the one with dash that signal gi and when y whe when you do not push another button on the remote control within 5 seconds then the remote control gives a signal for channel one yeah true no i think it works that way really no it it it works if you have not got a special button for it if you push a one then on your television there will appear a one and a a line which is an empty space yeah but it is exact the same that w would appear when you put a separate button push a separate button yes but some some old televisions you have to click on a special button then you go to a a next level you can push 2 buttons yeah but you do not underst you do not understand my point yep true i think it is exact the same thing when y you want yes but some television do not support it no but then they would a would also support that button because it is the same thing but the ex listen with that that is that special but button you are talking about eh that is just a signal to recei ju they send a t signal to the v tv t v that they have to put a one in on your screen and a dash which you can pu so you can still put another number on it when you do not have that separate button and you push y one it is exactly the same thing do y you the remote control gives that same signal as it would give when you only had no s some some televisions need the input 1st and and you c no a remote can yeah yes so they need no they need but you give the input you push the one that is the same thing as the button with the one and it yes it it is no that is not true it is simply not true think about it it is simply not true yeah no but you you can wai when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash and it is the same thing what happens and a g remote control gives another signal after 5 seconds that is just one and then wait 2 seconds or something no remote control does not give signal after 5 seconds remote control is a stupid thing if you push a button it sends it immediately to to the television yeah that is true yeah but i m but it is i i know for sure that some televisions that w th th the remote control supplied yeah it only ha has the c these buttons with a one and a dash and a 2 and a dash but when you use a bu a n remote control that does not sport these buttons it still works but okay we we will impl no definitely not we will discuss them in the usability lab definitely not no we will apply them then for now eva evaluation i do not know i do not know if if it is it is necessary yeah app just apply them next to the 0 the one and the 2 yeah yeah i think so yeah for now if we do not know for sure whether okay and the button for the scart audio video external input yes ach yeah but okay you can access that via 0 and then minus i guess what i said about the remote control sending another signal that that might not be true yeah yeah but i still think i it it all t v s in some ways support it i do not know no no i think it is more c is m maybe we do not we both do not really understand how it i how it really works but i think there is more to in than wha than what you just said remote control sends one signal at one button press i do think that m t v s support mur multiple kind of remote controls some n some televisions when when you want to go further than 10 m th will not work wi with to have that special button no you have to you have to give the television 2 or more signals when you press one button you give one signal and the older televisions need more signals to go a level higher but yep okay well we will see when you make the technology that that it will give more signals it could work but just a basic idea of of of the most most y most common and simple operations on the remote okay i kinda miss the docking station yeah yes it is here on the well it yeah there is nothing i think it is pretty basic we came the the there is no fu there is one there is one button that is wha there is there is there is one function and that is n the one button when you want to find it yes no nothing really trendy about it but maybe we can maybe we can make the docking station a bit standard for for the other products we sell the button because real real reaction sells more products than only remote controls yep so maybe we can use the docking station for example m p 3 players or or hearing devices i think that is very difficult because of different shapes of devices yes but when you put that same volt voltages on it you can put when the when the when 0 the the the lowest part of it yeah of course when it is 0 the same as the other products you can put it all on the same well it it got it it has got to fit into the shape of course yes but we can make the technology and the voltage can be the same that is that is true but i if you all make the m having a bottom like this then they all fit no we can make make the most lowest part all the same yeah that is true but when when the the recharger has a has a bit what points out we can place all on top of it yes but i i g just have to be big enough for the biggest should not it fall then it is not going to fall down that is a bit yeah i think no when you make it large enough no it it will not but then it is a little bit no but if if like this i will i will point it out if you got a a a base a base like this i will not draw it really but it is just an idea if you got a base which is as big as this but it is flat it is flat as as this so we can p make all the products as flat as this you can yeah sure but if you got if you got a tiny player it can but i i i it is backwards yes but when you make a bit of big but it is it is backwards it is leaning it is leaning backwards i think in the in the docking station yeah wha what you could do if you from the bottom 0 right help that is text but you could make like a hole in it you know of in in the yes little holer littler little products go deeper in it yeah that i that is possible yep well let us ha let us talk about the docking station later because maybe we have we have to consider the docking station anyway yeah sure you are right because we have some cost issues still to come yes and 0 but we have to look n i do not know the f the look and feel would be great on this remote control i do not like the colors because you always will pick up the remote control in the in the smallest area yeah then your left thumb of your right thumb is near the program button which is the most common used function and all the other buttons are available for your thumb so it is it is it is really good design okay yeah yes alright that is it yes on the side there will be a strip of rubber and in the middle there is a hard a hard material a bit hard plastic with a light behind it the light okay and other lights i think added lights are going to be a problem too yes we can make also n neon lights on it or or the buttons that can make light on it no 0 on the on the front yeah okay maybe the the logo yes lights but it will also use batteries and do we want to yeah why not of course okay for now this is is good enough okay yeah what was on the the all the aspects of the interface buttons were okay but in the 0 yeah the color because we are going to use one color for the the plastic enclosure and one color for the rubber is not it yes then we are going to do the buttons in the i are we are going to have rubber buttons and they are be a they will be in the same color as the rubber on the side yes yeah in the same color as the side yeah yeah i think i think that will be good okay yeah and i think we should use a a darker color for the plastic and maybe some more m brighter and flashy stuff yeah yes maybe we can use on the on the lights on the side we can use multiple lights so it will yes yeah we will talk about the lights later yes cause i also don yeah it is depends on the costs and such yep yeah but and we have to agree upon the exact colors but may i dunno if that is important but we will talk about that later okay for now this is this is okay we will the next p y you going to give a presentation too i have to see the agenda well yeah i i am going to do something right there yeah no detail design we got to do that on the right the most right most screen because the leftmost evaluation criteria yep that is me okay okay alright i will be needing that image so leave it please go away right we are going to evaluate that design according to a few points we g the 4 of us are going to do that together i want to have a color over here come on right the remote is not ugly a bit weird sentence but the positive things has to be on the left so i said not ugly instead of ugly what would you say we we got to give points to to all of these to evaluate that design and please forget the drawing skills of these guys okay the remote control is not ugly how do you feel yeah i think 4 maybe would be appropriate because it is yeah maybe it really depends on taste i mean it is kind of our design it is so if maybe a lot of people find it really ugly you know 0 other people find it really cool yes yeah background color i do not know or i do not know how you how do you guys feel i think i think the the fronts will give it a more less uglier side casting yeah because you can make it in your own yes you can make it in your own the different designs yes yeah okay more to your own personality or or house style yeah but we d we did not we are we are not planning to use fronts i believe no not not fronts but different designs with a color a co a colors no not fronts different designs yes 0 okay and that is still yeah is is is a little personal touch i guess different colors maybe yeah okay but 0 maybe we should do 3 or something that w you know our what yeah wha wha what would you guys think or 40 yeah personally personally we can make it a one yes but what is it i think 2 or 3 guido yeah i agree 2 or 3 i i go for the positive i was so i go for 2 i was thinking about 3 so i guess i was thinking about 4 so i think 3 is 3 is a bit 0 what am i doing okay 3 i will mark it the remote control is that n makes zapping easy yeah yeah well let that let us make that a one yes 2 yeah one one antek you agree yes okay yeah i will i will agree yes yeah that is one thing for sure you are not antek i am the i am the usability so i totally agree the remote control the remote control is relevant buttons are prominently visible yes yeah yeah 2 or a one i guess the it is something we really put work into yeah i yeah i would say a one because every button is relevant it is all about the buttons and our 0 yeah it is a b yeah yeah alright that is a one you agree yeah the remote control has not got too much redundant or unneeded buttons i think we totally succeeded there but well well maybe a 2 because of the menu button or something 0 yeah well menu yeah maybe yeah that is true and telete that is true also the the the buttons of the one the 2 the the digits 0 they are used yeah we do not know if the they are necessary the the yeah m well you d you have got a point i think a 2 yeah true can yes 32 yeah i agree came a long way but not we did not not 2 or 3 2 2 but you can not make a remote control without them because antek because we got nay that that that is true that is true they are definitely needed no w w it can also always be more simplistic but 2 is yeah so we put it on a 2 yes the remote control has got a really trendy look yes a one maarten yeah a t i think a 2 well yeah yeah y i it is hard to say from this picture yeah we we have tried to make it the the best trendy look ever yeah ever yeah guido but i do think it is more i will i will make it a 3 because yeah i i th but i do think that it is more trendy than beautiful yeah i agree yes so so i think maybe it has to score higher on this than on the i agree yeah true yeah i was planning to give it a 2 where i give the not ugly 0 yeah that is true a th a 3 you agree on the 2 yeah yes i i when you compare to the great remote control has not got too much redundant or unneeded buttons what is the difference with i copied that one well forget that okay go away remote control has got innovative technology implanted no no no we are not well maybe the the the on the side no not l c d so yeah but we you mean the rubber stuff yeah and the light yeah but we have t we have to talk about the lights and the light maybe but that that is not innovative but and i do not u also it is also really not innovative it is more well i g lights lights are it is not 7 no 6 well 6 or 7 maybe yeah no 6 6 or 6 why why not a 7 6 yeah mine is 7 because we have tried to make it a little bit innovative but it but it yeah how it is depends on the on the maybe with the lights it it is it is kind of future no i think i think actually it is a 7 maybe but there is nothing innovative about it yeah you think the lights are innovative well it is n true i agree m but but still you can retrieve it when it is when it has gone with the with innovative in generally or just f original for i will yeah you you did not draw the docking station yes n no no t yeah it it is i think i think with its the docking station is a is a little bit innovative a docking station is innova yeah i mean the dock station but but i think the the docking station it is going to be a kind of a problem it is a part of the remote i think more m okay and with the speaker on the there is also a speaker but that that is n well let us leave it open for for us later to see what because we have to reevaluate anyway well i i yeah okay no no well the agenda says evaluate now so i think we okay for now it is a 6 or a 7 sev 6 maybe because it is it is a 6 6 but the retrieval or the that m f yeah for the retrieval function yeah but i do not i do not know if it is very inno yeah yeah i think that is very innovative for a remote control yes how would you innovate a remote control more yeah v yeah more through like function t v functionalities and no no you know what i mean to put it on your head you have must be innovative technology for remote controls but more in how you control stuff not in how you find your yeah yeah sure but yeah it is that is that is think about it la later on and but i d i definitely do not think it is a 5 but remote control is easy to use yeah as a a one or a 2 ma at least yes yeah a 2 yes i think a 2 yeah yeah it is good more 2 come on the remote control has not got no i would have seen that one before 0 you skipped one i have just filled here go away you like the buttons i found 12 questions so much but it still is 10 remote control will be bought by it will be bought by people under the age of 40 yes yeah yes definitely in in and comparing with people of th of the age above well no no no just in general no just if they if they buy it yeah a 2 we do not know yeah but i think i think 2 but yeah what do you think yeah i think 2 yeah i agree antek 2 yes 2 but only in c when you compare it with with elderly that is not the question no that is no comparison it is just w it will be bought by people under 40 yeah you can yeah you can be very picky about it and i do not mean 2 people this is just guessing ah yeah just make it we will make it a 2 make it a 2 w w when it succeeds it can get a 2 mu right the rem the remote control has recognizable corporate image color logo or slogan 0 no yeah yeah you have make an slogan is quite obvious we do not have the slogan though 0 the slogan 0 the 0 sorry no not not the slogan can we see the slogan the logo yeah you can put that on the side if if we would like to a logo underneath it or something yes encrypted with yeah and i will i th still think it is going to be a 2 or a 3 are we going to do that a 3 maybe a 3 this time 3 yeah a 3 yes 3 i agree because of the slogan remote control has got a basic design intended for novice users and it is a one or a 2 yeah 2 yes 2 yeah make it a 2 2 2 alright we got to add up the scores now to see our total average 4579 forget that 1517212426 26 it is a 26 it is not that bad alright we yeah yeah and that is mostly the inno when we score higher on innovative technology we would score 2 yeah which is quite a great score true okay this is was the evaluation this was my evaluation because i i still think that the most important part of this meeting still has so we did a pretty nice job until now yeah is this your is there something after this meeting whatever well i think we got to fill out another questionnaire or no okay okay yeah still opened or yeah yeah okay finance because shoot i received a spreadsheet a 5 a 5 yeah but i actually do not need this presentation i guess 0 does not matter i am going to open the spreadsheet and we are going to work this out together because i did not really fin i have a did not really finish it well we we will see we will stumble upon some problems we probably will i probably have already opened it here try it again 1st of all the all the docking station and costs and such are not included in this list but let us let us saint start with beginning we include one battery i i i will explain its the the components are listed over here price is given we yeah we we indicate the amount of components of the specif specific component how much we need of them the amount yeah and then we will calcula do not watch the number yet i do not know if it is filled in properly okay we need one battery one battery i think one battery is enough yes we do not need kinetic solar cells hand dynamo a s okay this this is a p 1st problem i think we should know how many simple chips regular chips it is it is 11 chip but but you have to choose one from it okay but the simple chip is e enough i i think but with the lights with the lights and the retrieval it can be i do not know where did we find this information i have not got an idea on on which we need to use really was it no i i think it was your job in the 1st meet no f your 1st presentation to make this clear but then you had some t time problems yeah yes my my my but do you th you do you know what chip we need the the email i got said simple chip but when we put in the speaker and the retriever device yeah it will cost a a bit more like i think the advanced chip maybe and how do you know i mean you got that email bec no the they did not know about a retriever or a speaker in it did it point out what to use them for maybe you can look it up right now okay but okay when we do not when we leave the retriever and such aside what then it would be a simple chip then it is a simple chip and with the retriever it would be an advanced chip yes i i i s i alright well point out the advanced chip for now i guess okay that will be enough for future recommendations yeah but it will it will it will be cause a lot of problems the sample sensor sample speaker what is it m is that the speaker we were t i do not know what it is i do not know it either i do not know okay we went for the double curved case yes made out of plastic and rubber and with a special color i guess that is what we were well special color yeah i do not know about the special color but i think w otherwise you get a standard plastic color i do not know if it is very special i do not yeah i think we we have special colors okay standard rubber alright that is okay okay then the push button i was just counting them saint i think you have to indicate the amount of push buttons we want to use is not it whoa it is a little yes well that is bit of a problem because i re but i really do not understand that because i can imagine a remote control with far more push buttons that is huge and it would not be possible according to this sheet no we have the simplest buttons no no it is only when you use push buttons it will cost that much yeah i do not think so because it says amount if you use a scroll wheel ah yeah it would not the the the yellow row is the amount of fill in the number of components you plan to use in the and the total cost i do not know maybe it is the kind of push buttons i you can have f 4 kind of push buttons rubber one til 9 you can have is that one or is that 9 buttons and i count them like this 123456789101112 and 13 yeah because 0 this is 0 this is one okay 12 okay then it would be 18 because i rated them as to n that is total of 4 buttons as separate buttons different yes yes and plus these 2 f plus the mute button and it is will be 18 i think that 18 12345 si why is that so expensive yeah i do not understand y i do i do not get the point because it is would be s relatively so expensive just these m small buttons is it cents the the the ¢50 a button ¢50 for one single stupid button so whe when you so then it no way well okay well well let us make it just one it is 80% of the price of the of the amount of here now it is now it is already s shall we just yeah exactly yeah give our own interpretation to because else we would really have a problem it would be impossible to make it i can not i i i could not understand it if it was ¢50 per per button it is way when you have the same amount of button you have to put in wi in your carton really board and and less buttons than this is not possible yeah yeah and then throw it this is the most simple yeah it is possible but i have never seen one before no no no but whe i have seen 11 remote control with only the pu yeah only with page up page down and volume but but no really yeah without the numbers that is possible yeah yeah we could skip the numbers yeah but i d i would not want to own that really that is still 4 it is it is still for little children they can handle that remote control but but it is not fo yeah then teletext would also be im impossible yes it is for it is li it is just for a little yeah that is no option that is no option okay we will we will just okay but then still when we there is no room for a docking station or something tha w le let us see th we have 0 yeah button supplements we will give the buttons special color we will give them a special form i think we should mark the special form thing because it this will be some special forms incorporated in these big buttons i guess a special color why a special color because the buttons will be d will be matching color between the buttons and the rubber surroundings but wha what s what special otherwise it i think that is the what they mean by a special color okay yeah otherwise it would be the i do not think the special form is really true yeah i think all the special color things have to be marked over here because that is what we were planning to do making it special form also it says yeah special material r also because i has rubber is it and the buttons have to be rubber what is the normal material yeah i dunno plastic sh yeah plastic i think classic plastic plastic 0 plastic kay but the problem now is that the there is no such thing as a docking station in this list but we can all imagine that it would be impossible to make a docking station for ¢30 yeah but we can sell the remote control and sell the docking station yes separately se no no no and and but we do not have to tell it but what we can say of can almost make it impossible to buy a remote control without the docking station yeah yeah yeah but i do like the idea but we yeah it but it then the docking station is not relevant for this project anymore but we can but then you still have to use we have to find out what chip we u need no no but you otherwise you can not retrieve it yeah i really do not get it i mean if it is a simple chip then we suddenly got €230 i think we can agree on this i i think the special color thing has to be marked cause i think we yeah i think that is what what what they mean yeah yep but for €230 we we do not get a docking station i think so too 0 i do not know but can we find out about this chips because when we do not need a d a docking station then probably we also have only we also need a simple chip and then we can get a docking station and maybe then we can do something extra for 0 n 0 still 0 it is going to get more expensive with 2 then we have some money left we can put then for €2 we can put a scroll wheel on it or something why yeah well who knows i mean i i if you if it would cost €2 that had a total a total thing or a little bit of tin titanium it would be nice too i mean we are not going to add a trip to hawaii to it but what what can we do yeah or we can ki do the kinetic cells that is also maybe an idea but what can we do with the simple chip and what is difference with a regular chip and a advanced chip yeah that is what then what he has to find out maybe you can find it in your email right now then we know then we exactly know what it will cost us if if i maybe is that that is nice to know regular chip and because we do not have special functions to use in advanced chip for example yeah bu bu but when we yeah but when we skip when we when we do not use the do we are not going to make the docking station i like the hand dynamo part then we still yeah we need something else maybe to make it kind of special because that was our our special feature we can make a plain docking station for €2 yeah we will go back tomorrow i mean yeah okay you can also do that but maybe wi wi without recharge it still is a special remote control cons you know wi its form is special and material yeah but but we can make a docking station for €2 if you do not put the recharge function in it i mean it has a shape yeah but for €2 then we have still maybe we have to use the advanced chip then €2 is not even possible of course it has a shape but i i why should that not be possible yeah then because then we would ¢30 left no for for the for the docking station if you do if you choose the simple chip yeah but yeah i do not know because maybe d yeah we have to find out with the simple chip that is the question if we do i do we need an advanced chip or is it okay f yes yeah and w and and we need f and what is this it is not in my information so i do not know it either sample sensor sample speaker it is not in my information i i i have got a schematic view of the remote control but nothing about advanced chips or you can look at it for s presentation s technical functions no i have got here in i will put a i will put a page on it no no they were mine yeah 0 when my mouse works again 000 hey 0 my mouse is dead yes reanimate it 0 died ah i have got it i will put my email on the the network what the hell are these it is on it 0 whatever yeah it is open i do not think here it is in here already it is circuit board it is only just basics for for it is nothing about s yeah yes at the end circuit there is an infrared led this is not helpful no but i in the presentation of yours there was also something about different components which one was it components design functional requirements no that was my presentation components design maybe yes that was mine n on top ah ah yes it was the 2nd one but that was my 2nd yeah it was your 2nd your 1st presentation it is already open it is at the bottom working design sorry it is at your task bar yeah but it is the the other one 0 was it working design or components design this is n this is not this n that is not the right one sorry i do not 0 okay sorry no this is the other one or maybe something is maybe there is something abo in in these chip set but this is the same this is 0 only the possibilities here yeah we can use a simple a regular or advanced chip yeah nice the display requires an advanced chip i it does not say anything you know that a push button requires a simple chip but a scroll wheel it it me requires okay so we only need a simple chip ah okay requires with the light little lights yeah but that that is just the same as the the led no no that is just a simple chip that is not needed a scroll wheel it s only states that a scroll wheel requires a regular chip and that a display requires an advanced chip so we do not need any of them a display is of course for showing letters l c d for showing text yeah i do not think that just a l a little light no i think the normal simple chip will be okay yeah i agree and what is the sample sensor slash sample speaker maybe you can say against the remote page f page up page down yeah yeah i guess so too yeah true next channel well that is not too what we want no well we might want it but okay all in €12 back to the costs yeah €1250 so we are going to use the simple chip so simple chip is okay great delete yeah and the lights where are the lights yeah lights yeah there is no well there are 3 i guess category nah there is some money left to be spent can we do it wi within €22 i think we can make a docking station okay but what we have to think about now is that is is it still a special remote control yeah but i mean it is not it has not got any innovative technology we are not going to apply any innovated innovative te technology anyway i think i do not i do not see any possibility to do so because it would would not fit our defi design philosophy but it is original but what w is there some extra maybe i think maybe the kinetic thing is something no that is true instead of the rechargeable the rechargeable thing was something to know so y so people would not have to worry about their batteries anymore m bu maybe we if we put the kinetic thing in it but but sometimes you put a yeah you leave the p yeah i know but still i they will think about that i mean if you u kinetics are not nowadays only used in watches and that is because you are always walking the it is made for s people well the they do not if it was r useless technology they would not put it as a possibility solar cells are useless and i it it th th the the target the target group are people who zap regularly and throw with their remote control as a matter of speaking or the hand dynamo dynamo yeah because i think it when when there w was a remote control where it was useful to have a kinetic power source then it would be this one because it is one it gets thrown around thrown around a lot and it gets used a lot hey that maybe that is cool that is a cool thing about it you know yeah but but if we ca you do not use batteries i have never seen it before in a remote control i do not know if but then we could make a docking station 5 minutes no we we we can not make a docking station anyway that is not true yeah we can als or also m we we can make one we can still make we can make a docking station for 230 wow w why no li look at now we got 2 230 fo for a docking station 230 left we can make a docking station ca can not we make a docking station of that sure with a cable with buttons on it with retrieval device in it sure i do not know the power device is is i i is very cheap that is just a regular power cable and whatever yeah but be serious then the docking station will be a 5th of the price of the remote control wi with a button to well we we so wi with a button to retrieve it so it will beep so it is wireless technology yeah yeah but we we do not inc we have not looked at the these costs of the speaker and other stuff i do not think it is realistic for you to do so well then it is a useless project look at the case the case the case of of of 0 because we yeah then we do not have any innovation things we well look at all the special stuff we have color a the colors are special the form is special it th this is whole concept can not we maybe it with the kinetic thing i think we could do do a compromise with the kim kinetic thing can not we say €15 no no sta yeah i mean no then we have to sell it for €30 no no we only make less profit of it it is the you can sell for 275 then you make as much profit as you would with 125 production costs no yeah i don my suggestion is to just forget about the whole docking station thing and make it like a i i i i still fee i also feel this concept of making it kinetic because of the you know it g it gives something dynamic to the remote control i do not think maybe we can can do it both maybe we can do it both in the in the in the remote battery and kinetic no no that would not n no 1320 yeah and it is also not a good it is not you have to really do it only kinetic you do not want it to think about batteries anymore and i think only yes but when it is then when it then you have to shake it and all when it is when it is empty yeah but only kinetic then you got to no no yeah it is great you you got to throw throw it through the room like 20 times an hour really no no no no no this is very sophisticated technology technology when you use it your remote like once a day or maybe even less i i it you asked for 3 d no that is n that is not true a watch is kinetic because you walk all the time no it we can make it yeah no becau be but a remote control gets why do they state that this technology can be used if it yes solar cells are also stated yeah m but a w n a calculator also works on r on solar cells why do not we use solar cells then because i think the d whole dynamic part do you know appeals to me qui thinking of our design philosophy you know with the rubber parts and sturdiness of the thing and y when you move it around a lot then people find the idea funny that when i move my remote control around and that is true yeah it is funny for a week i guess something like that where you have to move it around very frequently is demotivating yeah but you do not have to trust me the idea of this technology is that you do not think about it it just happens no i i do not move my my remote control very much seriously okay then we d okay well y we do not have to do it but what that would just have a lack of key features you know oui you m have to put something on your box you have to make people buy it and we can really can do the docking thing it is not yeah we can do it but it is would be a easy way out you can do it for ¢50 well we have got more than ¢50 the c the case the case alone is is is okay but we have to grou to agree upon something because we only have a minute left or so the case alone for remote control is at least one then we have one 30 for the whole docking station no no it is not possible okay w b we can s we can leave it on be well then then th it is this is then then our concept is ready cheap remote control yeah we make some extra profit of it yeah no we will not but that is something else but now it w it will not tell but no this not going to sell huh any ideas no of course not no n no great it is great yeah we just have to go all what we did today again our remote control you have to do it over we come back tomorrow okay yeah no no there is still there is still someth concept and something special left yes the €70 i mean we are going to it is going to excel in in on in the the range in the field of design and and looks and feel no but no that is what it is makes it special yeah and i would li i would have liked a kinetic part as well to give it some just to give it some extra special feature and i know it will work but it is it is an they are they are not putting technologies on this but if it if it was impossible to to make it happen why not a hand dynamo then okay well we leave it like this then it is c then we are yeah yeah yeah we can not do anything else warning finish meeting now we are done okay project e well we were going to what look take a look at the last sheet is this it yeah sure okay no we can not yeah we have to yeah it is no yes yes yes celebration i do not see why but where is the champagne i think we got to fill out another questionnaire to be honest yeah i do not hear a bell no not yet alright i will see you guys in a minute we can do it here then bye i do not think so can we can not we do it here i do not know i do not i do not think so huh just fill that one in yeah we are doing now but it is 0 okay i do not know nice" ]

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[ "they are going to be able to be so you know they are not going to be it he is not no no no no i can not make this no you can fill in your questionnaire 0 yeah i am not going to power by set all right they will know it there is a little sign on it little round with a line okay is not it nice yeah okay welcome to the details okay welcome to the detailed design meeting again i am going to take minutes we are going to have a prototype presentation 1st who is going to give the prototype presentation you 2 guys okay go ahead do i help yeah come come okay i am going to all my coffee okay we have made a prototype we have got our aspects from the last meeting especially we looked at the form material and the color we have drawn here the prototype the logo is it is pretty obvious to see on the remote control but it is necessary when you want to build your company to a level higher our interface elements are shown in the drawing maybe you can point them well all the functions are discussed are discussed i think the most of the functions are obvious is a little bit power button then the the 9 channels the volume at the side and the other side is the programs and then we had just the 2 buttons we place them in the middle the menu and for the teartite text no the mute button misses now 0 the mute button it is in the middle all right and you got to point out which is the volume button and which is the program button well most of them are right handed but you got to make it clear on the yes there will be a little i do not have time anymore a little p on it yeah and a triangle on that yeah well next to that i kind of is 0 actually this was one thing i wanted to ask there are different ways for remote controls to do like i call it teens and 20s the 2 numbers now that is a television kind of dependent on the television yeah but do we have do we need extra buttons for example yeah you have a little yes you have a little of standard buttons that has to be on it i think you should add one and a double yeah but you do not actually need them a lot of remote controls work that you when you push the 11st then you have a couple of seconds no i do not think so yes you have televisions then you have to press no i do not think so really because you have a i know some remote controls that do not have these buttons but you still can you know obviously you can still select the 20 the 20 number in the 20 or in the 10 yes but remote control nowadays are they come with the television or actually the other way around no i think i really think it is because you can when you put a button on it with like one and then a dash it is the same thing as when you just push the one because it 1st gives you the functionality of that that separate button you also had to apply some televisions do not accept that yeah because they it is for television it is exactly the same thing no no no no no some television respond differently no listen listen when you push the button the remote control gives a signal in the 1st place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it yes the one with dash that signal gives and when you do not push another button on the remote control within 5 seconds then the remote control gives a signal for channel one now i think it works that way no it works if you have not got a special button for it if you push a one then on your television there will appear one and a line yeah but it is exactly same it would appear when you put a separate button some old televisions you have to click on a special button then you go to a next level you can push 2 buttons yeah but you do not understand my point i think it is exact the same thing yes but some televisions do not support it no but then they will also support that button that button because it is the same thing listen that is that special button where you are talking about it is just a signal to the tv and they send a signal to the tv that they have to put a one on your screen and a dash which you can put so you can still put another number on it when you do not have that separate button and you push you one it is exactly the same thing the remote control gives that same signal as it would give some televisions need the input 1st yeah but you give the end input you do the one that is the same thing as the button with the one and yes it is think about it it is simply not true you can when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash and it is the same thing where it happens and remote control gives another signal after 5 seconds that is just one no remote control does not give signal after 5 seconds remote control is a stupid thing if you push a button it sends it immediately to the television i know for sure that some televisions that the remote control control supplied only as the buttons with the one and a dash and a 2 in a dash but when you use a remote control that does not support these buttons it is still worse but okay we are really not well that is definitely not in the usability lab no we will apply them then from now i do not know i do not know if if it is supply them next to the 0 the one and the 2 yeah i think so for now if we do not know for sure where yeah okay and the button for the scarred audio video external input you can access that via 0 what is it about the remote control sending another signal that might not be true but i still think old tvs in some way support it i do not know no no i think it is more it is maybe we both do not really understand how it is that really works but i think there is more to it and remote control sends one signal at one button press i do think that tv support multiple kind of remote controls some televisions when you want to go further than 10 the one work no you have to you have to give television 2 or more signals when you press one button you give one signal and the older televisions need more signals to go level higher but yeah okay well when you make the technology that that it will give more signals it could work it is just the basic idea of the most common and simple operations on the remote i kind of missed a docking station yeah yes it is here on the 0 well yeah there is nothing we came i think it is pretty basic there is no nothing really funny about it that is one function and that is the one button but maybe we can one to find it maybe we can make the docking station a bit standard for the other products we sell because real reaction sells more products than only remote controls so maybe we can use the docking station for example mprd players or hearing devices i think that is very difficult because of different shapes of yes but when you put the same voltage on it you can put yes of course when the lowest part of it when it is the same as the other products you can put it all on the same well it has got to fit into the shape of course yes but we can make the technology and the voltage can be the same that is true but if you all make them having a bottom like this no we can make make the most lowest part all the same yeah that is true but when when the the recharger has a as a bit with points out we can place all on top of it yes must have to be big enough for the biggest fall then it is not it going to fall down that is a bit no when you make it large enough it will not but then it is a little bit like this i will point it out if you got a but it is just an idea it is like this i will not roll but if you got a base which is as big as this it is flat so we can make all the products as flat as this yeah sure but if you got a tiny player it can yes but when you make a bit of a big low it is leaning it is leaning backwards i think yeah in the if you have from the bottom 0 right help but you could make like a hole in it you know yes little holer little projects go deeper in it well let us talk about the docking station later because maybe we have to consider the docking station anyway because we have some cost issues still to come we will have to look the look and feel would be great on this remote control because you always will you will will you always will pick up the remote control in the smallest area then your left thumb of your right thumb is near the program button which is the most common used function and all the other buttons are available for your thumb so it is a really good design yes all right but that is it yes on the side there will be a strip of rubber and in the middle there is a hard material hard plastic with light behind it okay and other lights yes we can make also neon lights on it or the buttons that can make lights on it maybe the logo yes but it will also use batteries and do we want to okay for now this is good enough okay yeah what was on the did all the aspects of the interface buttons were okay but 0 yeah the color because we are going to use one color for the plastic enclosure and one color for the rubber yes and we are going to do the buttons and we are going to have rubber buttons and there be in the same color as the rubber on the side yeah i think that would be good i think we should use a darker color for the darker color for the plastic and maybe some more brighter and fleshy yes maybe we can use on the lights on the side we can use multiple lights so it will yeah we will talk about the lights later because i also it depends on the costs and such and we have to agree upon the exact colors but i do not know if that is important but we will talk about that later okay for now this is okay you are going to give a presentation too i have to see the general yeah i am going to do something right there detail design we have got to do that on the right most screen because the left most evaluation criteria yeah that is me okay okay all right i will be needing that image so leave it please go away right we are going to evaluate that design according to a few points the 4 of us are going to do that together i want to have a color over here come on right remote is not ugly a bit weird sentence but the positive things has to be on the left so i said not ugly instead of ugly what would you say we have got to give points to all of these to evaluate that design and please forget the drawing skills of these guys the remote controls not ugly how do you feel i think form maybe would be appropriate because it is maybe it really depends on taste i mean it is kind of dairy our designs yes so maybe a lot of people find it really ugly and other people find it really cool i do not know i do not know how you how do you guys feel i think the france will give it a more less uglier side because you can make it in your own yes you can make it in your own yeah okay more to your own personality or house style we did not we are not planning to use france i believe no not france but different designs and that is still yeah it is a little personal touch i guess well maybe we should do 3 or something in our what would you guys personally personally we can make it a one yes but what is it i think 2 or 3 gidele i agree 2 or 3 i was i go for the positive so i go for the positive so i go for 3 positive so i go for 2 i was thinking about 3 i was thinking about 4 so i think 3 is a bit 0 what am i doing i will mark it the remote controls and then makes sapping easy yeah yeah well let us make it a one yeah one you agree okay yeah i agree that is one thing for sure i am not at the usability i totally agree the remote control the remote controls relevant buttons are prominently visible yes yeah 2 or one i guess it is something we really put work into yeah yeah i would say one because every button is relevant and they are all yeah it is yeah yeah all right that is one you agree yeah the remote control has not got too much redundant or unneeded buttons i think we totally succeeded there well maybe a 2 because of the menu or something also the buttons of the one the 2 the digits yeah we do not know if the they are not a point i think 2 yeah true yes 3 came a long way but not we did not not but you can not make a remote control without them because we know that that is true that is so they are definitely needed it can also always be more simplest put it on a tool yeah yes the remote control has got a really trendy look yes yes one martin i think 2 yeah it is hard to say from this picture yeah we have tried to make it the best training look ever ever gido but i do think it is more i will make it a 3 because but i do think that it is more trendy than beautiful yeah i agree so i think maybe it has to score higher on this i was planning to give it a 2 where i give the not ugly the 3 0 yeah that is true you agree on the 2 yeah when you compare to the great remote control has not got too much redundant or unneeded buttons what is the difference with i copied that one well forget that go away remote control has got innovative technology implanted no no no well maybe the the side yeah but we you know mean the rubber stuff yeah and the light yeah that is not innovative and i do not also is also really not in light it is not 7 no 6 or 7 maybe no 6 why not 7 yeah why not 7 yeah one is because we have tried to make it a little bit innovative but it but how it depends on the on the lights it is it is kind of future no i think i think actually it is a maybe but there is nothing innovative about it it is true i agree but still you can retrieve it when it is when it has gone with innovated in generally or just you did not draw the original for no no the docking station is yeah i mean a dog station but i think it is a part of the remote docking station is going to be a kind of a problem okay and when the speaker on that is also let us leave it open for for us later to see but because we have to reevaluate anyway well yeah well the agenda says evaluate now so i think okay for now it is a 6 or a 76 maybe but the retrieval or the yeah but i do not know if it is very i think that is very innovative for our remote control how would you innovate a remote control more yeah more through like tv functionality to put it on your head no no you know what i mean there must be innovative technology for remote controls but more in how you control stuff not in how you find your i definitely do not think it is a 5 let us think about it later on it remote control is easy to use yeah as a one or 2 at least i think a 2 yeah yeah that is good come on remote control has not got no i want to see that one before 0 you skipped one i have just filled go away you like the buttons i found 12 questions so much question so much but it still is still it will be bought by people under the age of 14 yeah definitely in comparing with people of the age of the age of no no just if they buy it we do not know yeah what do you think yeah i think too yeah i agree contact 2 but only when you compare it with elderly no there is no comparison it is just it will be bought by people under the 14 yeah you can be very and i do not need to just guessing we will make it too when it succeeds it can get it too right the remote control has recognizable corporate image color logo or slogan you do not have a slogan slogan is quite obvious 0 sorry no not the slogan you can put that on the side if we would like yes encrypted with i will i am going to do that i still think it is going to be 2 or 3 maybe 3 this time yeah 3 3 i agree because of the slogan indeed remote controls got a basic design intended for nova it is one or 2 yeah 2 2 yeah make it 2 all right we have got to add up the scores now to see our total average for 5 7 9 forget that 15 17 21 24 26 26 it is 26 it is not that bad yeah that is mostly the you know when we score higher on innovative technology we would score 2 yeah which is quite a great score okay this was the evaluation this was my evaluation because i i still think that the most important part of this meeting still has until now yeah is there something after this meeting well i think we have got to fill out another question now okay okay yeah yeah okay finance because i received a spreadsheet yeah but i actually do not need this presentation i guess does not matter i am going to open the spare sheet and we are going to work this out together because i did not really finish i did not really finish it but we will see we will stumble upon some problems we will probably will not i probably have already opened it here i will try it again 1st of all the docking station and costs and such are not included in this list but let us start with beginning we include one battery i will explain it the components are listed over here the price is given we indicate the amount of components specific component how much we need of them and then do not watch the number yet i do not know if it is filled in properly okay we need one battery one battery i think we do not need kinetic solar shot hand down ammo okay this is the 1st problem i think we should know how many simple chips regular chips it is one chip but what you have to choose one for me okay simple chip is enough i think but with the lights and the retrieval it can be where do we find this information i have not got an idea on which we need to use really i think it was your job in the 1st meet for your 1st presentation to make this clear but then you had some time problems but do you know what chip we need the email i got said a simple chip but when we put in the speaker and the retriever device it will cost a bit more like i think the advanced chip maybe and how do you know i mean you got that email that email did it point out maybe you can look it up right now they did not know about a retriever or speaker when we do not when we leave the retriever and such a side then it is a simple chip and with the retriever it would be an advanced chip yes i point out the advanced chip for now i guess that will be enough for future recommendations it will cause a lot of problems the sample sensor sample speaker is that the speaker is that the speaker or we were to i do not know what it is i do not know i do not know okay we went for the double curved case yes made out of plastic and rubber and with a special color i guess that is what we were well special color yeah i do not know about the special color otherwise you get a standard plastic color yeah i think we have special color standard rubber alright that is okay okay then the push button i was just counting them i think you have to indicate the amount of push buttons we want to use is not it 0 yes well that is a bit of a problem because that is huge but i really do not understand that because i can imagine a remote control with far more push buttons and it would not be possible according to this sheet no we have the simple buttons no it is only when you use push buttons it will cost that much i do not think so if you use a scroll wheel the yellow row is the amount the yellow row is the amount fill in the number of components you plan to use in the 5 and the total cost i do not know maybe it is the kind of push buttons you can have 4 kind of push buttons rubber one till 9 is that one or is that 9 and i count them like this 12345678910 1112 and 13 because 0 this is 0 this is one okay 12 okay then it will be 8 because i rated them as separate buttons yes yes and plus the mute button then it will be 18 18 one 2 3 4 5 why is that so expensive yeah i do not understand i do not get the point because it would be relatively so expensive just these small buttons is it sense the ¢50 a button so well let us make it just one it is 80% of the price of the now it is already yeah exactly sure we just give our own interpretation to it because else we would really have a problem it would be impossible to make it i could not understand it if it was ¢50 per a button when you have the same amount of button you have to put it in a carton and less buttons than this is not possible this is the most simple yeah it is possible but i have never seen one before i have seen one remote control yeah without the numbers yeah only with page up page down and volume yeah we could skip the numbers but i would not want to own that that is still for little children they can handle that remote control then teletext would also be impossible yes it is for it is just for a little okay we will just okay but then still when we there is no room for a docking station or something let us see we have a button supplements we will give the buttons a special color we will give them a special form i think we should mark the special form thing because this will be some special forms incorporated in these big buttons i guess special color because the buttons will be matching color between the buttons and the rubber surroundings i think that is what they mean by a special color i think all the special color things have to be marked over here because that is what we were planning to do making it special form also yeah special material also because there is rubber and buttons have to be rubber what is the normal material yeah i do not know classic i think classic classic 0 plastic okay but the problem now is that there is no such thing as a docking station in this list but we are not but we are not such thing as a docking station in this list but we are we can all imagine that it would be impossible to make a docking station for ¢30 but we can sell the remote control and sell the docking station separately yes but we do not have to tell it but what we can say can almost make it impossible to buy a remote control without a docking station yeah but i do like the idea but we yeah but then the docking station is not relevant for this project anymore no but you but then otherwise you can not we have to find out what chip we need yeah i really do not get it i mean if it is a simple chip i think we can agree on this i think the special color thing has to be marked because i think we yeah yeah i think that is what they but for €230 we do not get a docking station 0 i do not know but can we find out about the chips because when we do not need a docking station and probably we also have only we also need a simple chip and then we can get a and maybe then we can do something extra 0 it is going to get more expensive with a sim owner then we have some money left we can put for €2 we can put a scroll wheel on it or something yeah who knows why a little bit of titanium if it would cost €2 that had a total total thing and it would cost €2 it had a total thing and it would you know it would would be nice too i mean we are not going to add a trip to hawaii or we can we can do the kinetic cells that is also maybe an idea but what can we do with the simple chip what is different yeah that is what he has to find out maybe you can find it in your email right now then we know and we exactly know what it will cost us maybe that is nice to know regular chip because we do not have special functions to use a farm chip for example i like the hand dynamo parts but when we skip when we do not use the docking station then we still we need something else maybe to make it kind of special because that was our special future you can make a plane docking station for €2 we will go back tomorrow yeah okay you can also do that but without recharge it still is a special remote control because you know its form is special but we can make a docking station for €2 if you do not put the recharge function in it i mean it has a shape yeah but for €2 and we have still maybe we have to use the advanced chip then €2 is not even possible why should that not be possible yeah because then we ¢3 left now for the for the documentation if you choose a simple chip yeah but yeah i do not know because maybe yeah we will find out with question if we are doing do we need an advanced tip or is it in my what is this sample sample i do not know it is not in my information i i have got a schematic view of the remote control with nothing about advanced chips or let us look at it for presentation technical technical functions technical functions no i have got here and i will put a page on it when my mouse works again 0 0 0 hey my mouse is dead yes reanimated died i forgot it i will put my email on the network what the hell on these it is on it it is on it is open it is open it is open i do not think here is in here already there is only just something about at the end circle this is helpful there is an infrared lead and in the presentation of yours there was also something about different components which one was it components functional requirements no that was my presentation components design maybe yes that was mine yes it was the 2nd but that was my 2nd your 1st presentation it is at the bottom working design it is a task bar yeah but it is the other one 0 is it working design or components this is not the right one i do not okay sorry no this is another one maybe something is a maybe there is something about in these chipset this is the same this is all only the possibilities yeah yeah we can use a simple a regular or advanced chip yeah nice the display requires a file button requires a simple chip but a scroll wheel immediately requires okay so we only need a simple chip but the light little light yeah but that is just the same as the no this is the simple chip that is that need scroll wheel this only states that a scroll wheel requires a regular chip and that a display requires an advanced chip so we do not need any of them is of course for some letters for some text yeah i do not think that just a little light i think a normal simple chip yeah i agree and what is the sample sensor slash sample speaker maybe you can say against the remote page yeah page up page on i guess so too yeah that is not too what we want no well we might want it but okay all in €12 back to the costs yeah €1250 so we are going to use the simple chip great delete yeah and the lights where are the lights yeah there is no 0 they are free i guess category now there is some money left to be spent can we do it i think we can make a dark ne station okay but what we have to think about now is that is this still a special remote control i mean it has not got any innovative technology we are not going to apply any innovative technology anyway i think i do not see any possibility to do so because it would not fit our design philosophy but is there some extra maybe i think maybe the kinetic thing is something instead of the rechargeable thing was something to so people would not have to worry about their batteries anymore maybe if we put the kinetic thing in it but sometimes you put the yeah i know but still they will think about that i mean if you kinetics are nowadays only used in watches it is made for us people well they do not but if it was a useless technology they would not put it as a possibility a solar cell is useless the target group are people who zap regularly and throw with their remote control as a matter of speaking of because i think when there was a remote control where it was useful to have a kinetic power source then it would be this one because it is one that gets thrown around thrown around a lot and gets used a lot maybe that is a cool thing about it you know you do not use batteries i have never seen it before in a remote control i do not know then we can make a docking station 5 minutes no we can make a docking station anyway that is not true yeah we can also we can make one we can still make look at now we got 2 230 2 30 left can we make a docking station of that with a cable with buttons on it with retrieval device in it the power device is very cheap that is just a regular power cable be serious then the dogging station would be the 5th of the price of the remote control with a button to retrieve it so it will beep yeah so it is wireless technology we do not we have not looked at the discusses of the speaker and other stuff i do not think it is realistically to do so well then it is a useless project look at the case the case of then we do not have we look at all these special stuff we have the colors are special the form is special it is this whole concept and maybe with the kinetic thing i think we could do a compromise with the kinetic thing can we say €15 no no no then we have to sell it for €30 no no we only make less profit you can sell for 27 and a half then you make as much profit as you would with 125 production costs i do not know my suggestion is just forget about the whole docking station thing and make it like a i still feel i also feel this concept of making it kinetic because of the you know it gives something dynamic to the remote control maybe we can do it both can do it both in the remote battery and kinetic no no that would not no 1320 yeah it is also not a good it is not i think only kinetic you do not want to think about batteries anymore yes but when it is then you have to shake it and all when it is when it is empty you got it is great throw it through the room like 20 times an hour no no no this is very sophisticated tonight technology when you use your remote like once a day or maybe even less no that is not true a watch is kinetic because you walk we can make it yeah no because the remote control gets why do they state that this technology can be used as well as cells are also stated yeah but a calculator also works on solar cells you solar cells then because i think the whole dynamic part you know appeals to me well thinking of our design philosophy you know with the rubber parts and sturdiness of the thing and when you move it around a lot then people find the idea funny than when i move my remote control around it is funny for a week i guess something like that where you have to move it around very frequently it is demotering yeah but you do not have to trust me the idea of this technology is that you do not think about it it just happens no i do not move my remote control very much okay we do not have to do it but what what that would just have a lack of key futures you know you have to put something on your box you to make people buy it in it we can really can do the docking thing it is not yeah we can do it but it would be you can do it for ¢50 we have got more than ¢50 okay but we have to the case alone is because we only have a minute left or so the case alone for a remote control is at least one then we have one euro 30 for the whole docking station no that is not possible okay we can leave it on better then then this is then our concept is ready cheap remote control yeah we make some extra profit on it no we will not but that is not it will not tell but no any ideas of course not great great you see it is great yeah we just have to go all what we did today again we have to do it over we come back tomorrow okay no no there is still some concept and something special left i mean we are going to it is going to excel in the range in the field of design and looks and feel that is what it makes it special yeah and i would like i would like i would like of like the kinetic part as well to give it some just to give it some extra special future and i know it will work but it is it is they are not putting technologies on this district if it was impossible to to make it happen why not a hand dynamo then okay but we leave like this then it is no we can do anything else warning finish meeting now we are done okay this is it we are going to look at the last sheet now we can not yeah we have to fuck in yes yes celebration i do not see why but where is the champagne i think we got to fill out another questionnaire to be honest yeah i do not hear a bell no not yet that ding ding alright i will see you guys in a minute bye i do not think so can we do it here i do not know i do not think so just fill that one in just fill that one in yeah we are doing now but it is all in your room 0 okay 0 okay nice nice" ]

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[ "okay welcome to our detailed design meeting i am pretty excited let us start it is approximately 1540 or something like that okay the agenda we are going to do an opening and then i will talk about the minutes from the last meeting what we d discussed then we will have the prototype presentation and a look at the evaluation criteria we will look at the finances and finally a do a production evaluation and close so starting off with the last the last 10 i do not have it here but we talked about energy we are going to use a kinetic battery we want to use a simple chip because we are not going to need a a shuffle we are going to need a scroll we are choosing a latex case w in fruity colors that is curved and we are using push buttons with a supplement of an on screen menu and it sounded like we had set like 8 or 9 buttons including 5 pre set channels okay let us do the look and feel design presentation 1st right do you want to start right well we made 3 different prototypes and i guess we will start with with this one we have our colors not are not fixed but this is the general shape it is you hold it sort of either like like this in your left hand or you switch it over and it is easily adaptable to either hand you can push the buttons with your thumb like a mobile phone or you can push them with your index finger of your other hand or even i mean there is a whole variety you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger we have the on off button at the tip very visible very big we have our up and down buttons which are also going to be our channel selectors and we have our little menu button here if you push if you are just pushing these normally they are the menu buttons if the volume buttons rather if you press select once they become channel changing buttons if we press select 3 times the menu with the other features and pro possibly also with your t v channel choices shows up and you have your 5 presets down here if people want to grab hold of that see how it feels in your hand that is our number one prototype do you want to present the potato or shall i present the martian like a little lightning in it okay the little lightning bolt in it very cute what we call that one the rhombus the rhombus i could the v the rhombus rhombus that is the rhombus yep this one is known as the potato it is it is a how can i present it it is an ergonomic shape so it it fits in your hand nicely it is designed to be used either in your left hand or or in your right hand i have gone here just for just for 4 buttons on this one the 2 blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume so you have got volume up and volume down on the other side here the red ones are for changing channels channel up and channel down and that is moves between your favorite channels that you have selected this middle button here brings up the on screen menu and when you are working in the on screen menu you use the other 4 buttons to navigate around the menu system and the middle button to select and that is basically it that is the potato on off that would be one of your channels basically so like channel 0 would be t to switch switch the machine off yeah okay yeah we turn it off could the middle button of the on screen menu function as a power button not really it would make it hard to turn the machine off to turn your t v off if you pressed and held it maybe yeah yeah that that would be one way of doing it yeah if you like held it down that would be on off yeah that would work yeah on off that is a possibility yeah okay and then finally we have the martian or the pear either way it is a bit different just a little bit more of a creative feel you have the on off toggle stem on the top we have the 5 preset seeds and then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more 3 dimensional you have your channel changing volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle so that is for your consideration as well plus it is an interesting talking point to have standing up let us pass we figured it could stand up like this on your table if you wanted it to if i made the bot the bottom flat huh sorry what is the yellow one in the middle i forgot the menu select button very interesting i think that one is my favorite so that is so that is our 3 prototypes basically in terms of making decisions what we would need to do is 1st of all decide on a form which of the 3 different shapes we want then decide what kind of button layout we want how many buttons and then to choose what colors we want to make the buttons and if we want to put any text on the device like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever we were we were thinking that normally we would go for fruity colors but maybe we are also thinking that your sort of middle aged man for an example customer might not want a fruity colored remote so m maybe we would have one version that is a bit toned down maybe with with less contrasts on it kay yeah something still a little bright to make it hard to lose but would yeah but we do not want it to look like a kids toy yeah now that was one thing that we brought up over email i do not know if you picked up your email but the f the feature that we considered for it not getting lost yeah right well we were we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive that it it is not just like another piece of technology around your house it is going to be somewhere that it can be seen so we are we are not thinking that it is going to be as critical to have the loss but if it is like under covers or like in a couch you still can not see it it is really would it be very difficult to just have an external device that like i dunno you tape to your to your t v that when you press it you ha a little light beep goes off do you think that would be conceptually possible i think it would be difficult technologically i think because if your if your remote is lost it is probably under the settee and in that case you can not you can not send an infrared sing signal to it to find it s so it is i am not quite sure how it would work and then i wonder if it is if it is more just a gimmick then anything else that is true kay yeah i mean ho how many times do you really seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it there might be something that you can do in the circuit board and the chip to make it make a noise or something but it would take a lot more development than we have this afternoon okay that is a fair evaluation getting lost we so we do we have decided not to worry about that for now okay cause well the designs are very bright so you are right they are going to stick out but so d do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality i feel like this is simil or it is sort of what already exists so if we are trying to think of something sort of like new and fun even though this is like what you are init i am initially drawn to just cause it is like comfortable and like not different i sort of like this one like i i do not know why it just it is like small but still sort of like cute looking i dunno but i also like the b the side buttons on that one like i think that is kind of neat but i dunno how much any of this has to do with the fashionable sort of cool looking thing that we also need to focus on could we maybe have like an extra button on the top for on off so then w we would not have to have like a dual function yeah that is good that is good ah there we go yeah it is possible yeah yeah here stick it on put an extra the button on sure why do not we do a product evaluation using your criteria if you have developed some well do we w like i think we are supposed to have one that we do it for 0 okay okay that was i was a little vague on what exactly i am supposed to do but let me i have to like write something on the whiteboard so so where okay do you need this or just write on the white board no i actually do not have like a powerpointy thing cause i think it would be redundant okay right okay i dunno it is kind of like like a joystick kind of thing you know kinda push it ooh cool hey kay maybe a little smaller than that no i kinda like it that is hard to miss it makes look more fruity as well 0 it does it is kind of like it is like a deformed foot i dunno there it could have a stem like that cause i do l kind of like the stem like yeah yeah it almost helps you ge keep a grip too cause it goes in between fingers yeah yeah interesting i like this one okay is that where people are leaning then the potato variety of colors are nice i like the idea of the i mean that is really gotten the simplicity of the buttons down that one i think i am leaning towards the potato i am worried about like using a menu in that like i withing menus there are submenus and so how do you get back to the main menu yeah well that on the ipod for example you just every time you want to go back you hit the menu button again and it brings you back one level but that has a menu button separate from a select button whereas if this one is both the menu and the select button yeah good point this is it is the up and down buttons are used for scrolling up and down for a list of choices okay you find the choice that you want and you press you press the right button could these be used for going to submenus or yeah yeah so they are used for going into and out of your submenus yeah maybe yeah maybe it can be one of those if you press down and hold okay for 2 seconds then it brings you back one level or something okay well as long as we have that in mind as we are designing it still kay okay so which one are we sort of roughly looking at to address whether or not it meets our s necessities the yellowy one is that the potato are we leaning towards the potato potato i think so okay well we can obviously change it after we go through each different one okay so basically what we need to do is some of the things that we have talked about before we need to make sure that that remote actually does conform to the things that we said it was going to okay so what we sort of want to do is that we each need to separately rank each of the following things and then i will tabulate an average just to make sure that it does meet that okay so we will just go through them one at a time and we will just go around and each of you can tell me on a scale of one to 7 with one being really extremely true and 7 being not true at all or false if the remote that we have created conforms to the following criteria so we can do this 11st 1st we want to know if it meets the fancy look and feel objective so like in my opinion the for now at least the yellow one is probably somewhere in the middle so i am going to say it is like a 3 that is just my opinion yeah what does each of you i i kind of think it is it is unique enough that i would give it a one or a 2 okay well give it a number sorry okay i will give it a one i dunno if it is it is creative i dunno if fancy is the word i would use i dunno if any of them are fancy in i would say 2 because c unique okay and 2 awesome i will go for 2 alright and same sort of scale for functionality is it functional i think it is extremely functional i am going to give it a one yeah one one i think it is it is functional it is also pretty basic so i will give it a 2 okay functional i think it will get everything done i think it might be a little confusing at 1st i do not know if that is going to be a later one okay well there is some other ones i will address that yeah okay then i am going to give it a 2 awesome okay we want to know next if it is technologically innovative did you give a functional yeah she said it was one okay is it technologically innovative not really i mean not so much cause we we do not have the l c d screen we do not have fancy chip other than what it looks like i dunno if it is really well the kinetic battery in the battery that is it i kinetic battery is a big one so how many people would notice that though but it but we know it is there but they will notice it after like a year they will be like hey i have never changed the battery and if it is made of like latex that whole idea that is pretty cool i will give it a 3 just the material cause it we could have picked a lot of features that would have made it really yeah i i would say that it is yeah like fancy versus creative it is it is different but does that equal innovative i dunno i will give it a 3 alright everyone else i would say it is technologically it is not it is not unique i mean it is it is just it is just pushbuttons so i i would give it a 4 think i am going to go with the 4 as well kay i really like that kinetic battery though next is it easy to use just so you know easy to learn will be separate so do not overlap them kay okay i think it is really easy to use i will give it a 2 i will give it a one pretty hard to mess up i will say one let us say 2 alright we next want to see if it has a spongy quality and if indeed it is made of latex or rubber i it is spongy all the way give it a one yeah yeah i wonder if it bounces when you drop it ooh that you could not it would be harder to break harder to lose yeah cause there would be less impact maybe iain what do you give it yeah i would i would give it a one alright and the next is does it integrate some notion of fruits and vegetables well is it going to be yellow it it might be cause that is our corporate color is not it that is right yeah corporate color yeah we did not keep that in well if we i know it would make it a little less c a little more confusing we might want to keep it yellow but if we had all the buttons in black and a design in and the outside in yellow that would be our corporate one and we could also have alternative colors one a more conservative 11 that is more fruity yeah but if you had like a silvery kind of white or something yeah yeah and can we have like an r r inscribed on the bottom or something if we had a yellow sure okay 0 yeah yeah alright so i think it it is fruity so fruity so it was inspired by the potato so i think it is pretty fruity yeah i think i it is kind of mangoey too 0 mango that that yeah mangoey is better yeah i okay i am giving it a one the mango put me over yes i like mangoes that is a much more trendy than a potato one what are what is everyone is numbers 2 one alright and does the design match the appropriate behavior remember earlier we discussed that people do not use a lot of buttons that they use the channel flipping and the volume the most i think we really took that into account a lot so i am going to give it a one yeah me too one did you say one rose yes okay also we talked earlier about r s i and wanting to prevent any sort of like carpal tunnely kind of thing do we think that the latex sort of grip appropriately takes that into account i think i will give it a 2 cause i almost feel like no matter what you do something is going to happen it is going to be hard yeah yeah yeah and if it is repetitive movement it is going to be only 4 buttons that you are constantly pushing but worth the risk i think i like how it fits in the hand though so i i would go with a 2 yeah i will i will say 2 as well because older people that are not used to like texting with the thumb might find it a bit at 1st but kay yeah i will i will say 2 alright awesome and the ease of learning it i know you were saying that you are a little bit nervous about that i dunno it sort of reminds me of the ipod i just got mine i still have not read the instruction book and i am doing okay so and i am not good at learning technology so i will give it a 2 the menu system and the the fact that multiple buttons are used for different things might be a bit confusing but i think if it is one it is one of those things that it might take you 5 minutes to figure out but you will have it afterwards so i would i think i would give it a 2 i guess i think it it is probably a little harder then most remotes to learn because you have to you have to use the menu system and you have to tell it what your favorite channels are and that could take a bit of learning at 1st 0 good point but once you have yeah once you would learned how to use it i think it is a lot easier so i would i would give it a 4 okay i think i would give it a 4 too it is a pretty high learning curve it will be easy once you have done it but yeah alright also earlier we had something about losing it and so now we are not addressing that at all so we we i think we can kind of say we addressed it with color but okay so in terms of not losing it do you think that on a scale of one to 7 how easy or hard is it to lose i am going to i am going to give it a 4 cause i think that you can still if it is in between somewhere where you can not see it you are kind of not going to find it but anywhere else it is going to stand out yeah i would say i would give it a 3 i guess it depends on how tidy you are normally i would give it a 4 i will give it a 5 cause i it would be easy to lose something like that yeah small too alright we also said simplicity how w how well does it address just being simple simple to use or simple in design do you know i think overall cause we had said before our 2 main things were simplicity and fashion so those are the next 2 things we are going to look at separate from fancy like that sort of thing right it like wants to be simple but it is not like totally totally simple so i am going to give it a 2 i am give it a 3 i guess i will give it a 2 3 alright and fashionable it is totally fashionable it is hot i mean it is a mango come on i would give it a one mango i mean how fashionable can you make a remote i think it is bringing technology and fashion together real really well i dunno i do not think it is quite as fashionable as my robot remote i do like the little martian one or alien or whatever he was yeah the toggle on off switch it is really appealing number 2 3 one and does it meet our like demographic need sort of for international appeal that whole thing just that it would se serve our audience i do not see why not i think as long if we offer in a in at least 3 different color arrangements yeah that is good yeah so i will give it a a 2 yeah i will say 2 alright did anyone have any other features that they think were important that we did not talk about well we did not we did not address the fact that it does need to b have a corporate logo so let us let us make sure we keep that in mind that we ha that one of our colors concepts is corporate and has an r r on it shall we well i think all of them should have an r r all of them should have r r yeah and so we are going to do that so it will address it fine kay okay that is me lovely okay now we are going to look at finances i have an excel sheet that we are actually going to calculate the cost so let me exit out of this 1st okay whoa 0 my i know let me one more space going to zoom in real quick okay hand dynamo we are using kinetic battery right we are n using kinetic yeah and we are having one per yeah one okay electronics single simple simple rather simple simple kay the case double curved guess it is double curved it is pretty curvy yeah it is very curvy so okay yeah i never did get a picture of those so i do not really know our case material supplements oops we just skipped by them well do not we need plastic and no we we the plastic is the plastic for the inside is assumed provided okay the supplement is the wood 0 i guess it was rubber rather than latex i mean the rubber it was rubber and special color right yeah okay do we have more than one special color yeah we are using we are going to need at least 2 special colors well special colors is not it i do not know what the se the basic color is though per i dunno where it yeah well but we know that we are having at least 3 colors so so let us y say 3 well are we talking about on each color combination or are we you know we will like we will have yellow and black is that 2 special colors yeah i dunno or or is white and black then 2 more or that i thi i thought that would be under yours i guess it is 333 we will just say 3 right alright maybe the r r will be in color as well so yeah interface we are doing push buttons yeah and how many buttons do we have we have 6 we have got 5 0 no 5 6 with the power 06 6 yeah anything else no 0 we will do we wa are the buttons in special color special f i did not get information on 0 wait 0 buttons 0 so so the case material will just have one color right but then the buttons will be in special colors well does it but if we are making multiple varieties of this is where i am getting confused yeah we are saying per unit per unit okay okay yeah per unit okay so each unit will only have one color on their but the case is alright and each button s could have up to thr i mean the buttons could ea could be up to 3 colors cause that how it is designed there yeah yeah i like it like that yeah okay so special form they are all kind of just push button right no i think they are fine yeah special material material we want them rubber as well probably yeah 0 do i have to do it per button do i no i do not think so i think they are if they are all going to be rubber then it that is what it matters okay yeah cause it would not make sense otherwise cause for the whole mat case material it is only one yeah yeah yeah it is i mean it is 2 to make it rubber okay 0 wait so maybe 137 00 yeah what can we reduce okay let us have our buttons all be one color i kind of like the buttons let us see what that would do it is only going to bring us down to 133 anyway alright okay are we sure this is double curved maybe it is single curved we have no idea we have no idea i dunno i did not get any pictures it is single curved it is single curved why not well it is not the yeah okay it is the kinetic battery that is kind of expensive but we have a simple chip single curve case material is rubber and it is a special color but that is important yeah that is important 6 buttons we have to have 6 buttons how did it get more expensive what did you just change what it was it was 13 and now it is 15 no okay maybe not i do not know what just happened now it is 12 we what was our target price again 125 125 hey hey 125 so we are just just about there so we are okay i think we are all set then yeah ish okay we are all set alright save i saved that to our our big shared folder so you know okay back to agenda are the are the costs under €1250 yes yes yeah they are yeah let us move on to the project evaluation project process satisfaction with for example the room for creativity leadership teamwork the means any new ideas found so i guess what we are going to talk about here is just evaluating how we created this project the information we got on the news how we used it if we were able to you know use our creativity with the information how how well i guess i led it the how well we worked together as a team the digital pens the whiteboard well okay i felt very creative i enjoyed making the prototypes i think we have been successful in that we have achieved almost all of the design goals that we have set and we have come up with a finished project and we just about got cost yeah i think we could have done even better with a little bit more information like what is a single curved case how many colors what do colors count things but given given what we had i think that we did we did really well i think we worked together pretty well yeah yeah i mean if i would had more market research on the fruits and vegetables maybe we could have taken that into account yeah but the fruits and vegetables they really my creativity so i know i really did the the whole mango idea was great do you think we could no i mean i thought the pen was a little distracting for me personally like its heaviness and like just being so conscious of like turning the pages i dunno that was a bit of a distraction yeah that was the last one like i chose not to do a powerpoint cause i did not think it made sense to so i liked that i had the option to do that and just to take my own notes and that whole sort of thing yeah i think we all made very significant contributions i do not think anybody dominated it which i thought was really good like each of us was able to like each of you had your information and i i tried to facilitate it without like taking over yeah i like our little finished products can we market this as the mango remote they are funny really cute i kind of want one should we have that somewhere on the packaging i have a little r r i am trying to think of a good pun that i could add there i know let us think of it like a little jingle i like the r r that is going to be etched in yes hopefully not with just my fingernail at some point but it is quite a useful little gadget all thanks to iain for the design of that one okay new ideas found what did we find for new ideas people should really base their remotes on fruits and vegetables definitely yeah or or at least be c p creative enough to think of toggle switches i i am really into the idea of kinetic batteries now after reading about them etcetera 0 i am so excited yeah i did not even know they existed that was i i knew you can get watches that had them like really quite expensive watches that just never need a battery cause you are always moving your wrist but in other things i think it would be really good i thi yeah that is awesome okay closing are the costs within the budget is the project evaluated yes now there is the final questionnaire and meeting summary so this is the great product kids i think we have created something really interesting and that we have a market for it especially if we can produce it at 123 which we hope yeah yeah make sure in your questionnaire to put down criticisms of both the process and the the final results and yeah real reaction i do like the martian remote if we could choose more than one that would be my 2nd choice 0 that would definitely be my 2nd choice although the tog toggle i am afraid i would that is cool let us all let us all go for the yellow i would break it it is cool i would break it it started because i wanted to have it as saint as a stem and then alright so i think i would break it break the stem off 0 that is funny is it started as a pear but then it started looking more and more like a martian when i put the 0 yeah it is kind of a penguin kind of looks like a penguin like with no eye take me to your leader i like that it stands up wow maybe i should market it to some remote control company now so are are poor little thing that was bound to happen 0 sad kay congratulations anything else to say nothing will come up until after our meeting is supposed to be over its all timed alright 0 anybody have i got more master classes anybody else want to like take a master is class 0 it is really funny that you got spam in your work emails yeah but check it out so like there are all these like links they do not go anywhere but all that you need to keep in mind your knowledge management just want to make sure you do no the 1st one that you sent like i did not realize that it was a joke and i was like why did she send this to us 0 it is very it is very work relevant cause people send spam a lot it is yes definitely i am very sad that i did not get any links to the corporate website let us see what did i get through the corporate website 0 here you can you can view it is just inspiration about circuit boards you can just see what is up wow yeah it is it is really deep hold on takes a little while to get excited to load that the excel thing is pretty cool yes yeah that is pretty neat here like basically it is like inspiration basically i am going to give you 2 sentences on fashion and i love excel it is one of my favorite programs that kind of thing see you did not miss out that much i see yeah my inspiration from from last time is the in interior of a remote control being taken apart bit by bit talking about circuit boards spongy i learned a lot actually 0 wow i could probably take apart a remote control now if i really needed to this one was cooler i got a whole table and everything now i have all about circuits and chips and transponders and i wrote it all down because i thought it would be relevant like all the different parts of the inside of a remote control but then they are like you do not actually need this you just need to talk about the case that is like mine it was like would you prefer an l c d screen or a multifunction remote control and then it did not have like any kind of table like awesome i am glad they asked that question and did not report the result it is really interesting though i i thought it was a little tricky having to hand around this thing yeah yeah yeah we had a lot of the otherwise the technology today was kinda cool i think yeah that was really neat how i got emails and we did not we did not use the whiteboard that much no no although i do not see how we could have very l at least for me i i yeah if i would gotten pictures of the different parts of the case the different looks of the case i would have probably drawn them up but cause we were not like voting on anything and i think usually like whiteboards are good you know like crossing out ideas or like if we had had like a brainstorming period yeah we could have put our brainstorming stuff up there rather than just talking about it but with only 4 people it does not really make sense but i thought we were good orally get crazy i think if you had a larger group and with and with the powerpoint that we can all look at like you can do all those things pretty much on powerpoint as that is not as necessary to have yeah yeah and these might have made us more willing to like take notes than to like write up them here cause we all needed them separately kind of on the whiteboards in this room because we are all going to be working in different places yeah we if we were all going to stay in here all the time then having the notes up on the whiteboard would have been alright but everyone needs their own like specific notes i guess now when you were creating your prototypes here did you work together or did you like do separate projects we we worked together but we were making like we sort of made different shapes and then discussed how the how the buttons might work yeah and how we could like improve on the on the design yeah so it was a bit of both really we just kind of started out by each taking a color of clay and just fooling around with it and i came up with that rhombus shape and he came up with the sort of potatoey mangoey shape and then just went from there really cool it was fun so well done with the management i felt well managed 0 thanks i think we did well in 1st of all giving our meetings the time and 2nd we actually it is kinda fun we we did a good job of making firm decisions at the ends of the meetings sorry and i that happened to me all the time though i know what happens sometimes is that you tend to sort of have meetings and then people sorta drift away without anything actually really being decided but i think here we got we got clear and and decisive decisive points at the end of the meetings so that we we knew where to go on from there yeah i was quite worried at the end of the last meeting that we were not getting we did not really have enough information to make firm decisions but we were able to do it regardless so i am not usually a very decisive person so it helped to have people say this needs to be done in 5 minutes this is what we will do yeah i found that we did we could have used another 5 or 10 minutes sometimes in the meetings yeah for some of the meetings yeah especially last time yeah yeah i think the last time we had a lot of information but at the same time not quite enough yeah yeah you know what i mean like we we could not answer every single question yeah yeah right but and i i felt the 1st 2 meetings that i was coming in with no information and not sort of made me really like ooh i do not know throwing together powerpoint out of no no information and then last time it was like the opposite i had so much information and so much to talk about it was interesting what came out like later like as i was doing the when i was doing the breakdown on the agenda that they gave me yeah that more points came out from your presentation even i am a little i am a little disappointed that we did not do a something for losing the remote because that was kind of a big point yeah that was something like in order to talk about that we would have had to have actual knowledge about circuit boards and things like about yeah well the problem was even when we just were creating from the excel file yeah there was not like a option to select to somehow have it included so there was no we could be like yeah it has it included yeah i think we were there was no way for us to have considered the re yeah written down that it was really there yeah i think we were just getting overenthusiastic with the task well it is interesting that they i think we really got into it i mean i got into it as the day went on and i got really like ooh i am designing a remote control i dunno if that is just me but yeah it was interesting though that they put that 50% of people say they have frustration with losing their remote and yet they did not provide us with information to we were not provided with information to discuss that yeah yeah i know that like people people have like things they can put on their keys that you press it and it will beep yeah yeah but i but i am sure that would require some kind of technology that i just do not know what it is but i think there are some of those like infomercial remotes that have things so you will not lose them i dunno i mean we were talking about it and like i in my household at least there is only about 2 places that the remote is ever cause there is only one t v and there is only like 3 chairs that is like saying you are never going to lose your keys and i always do anyway you will lose em in your pocket like you just will forget that or you like put it down somewhere that like made sense and then not remember there is always ways to lose things yeah it d yeah it depends on how organized you are personally but yeah or like i guess what the setup of the house is too but i mean i am notorious for losing my keys i just i guess i have just never lost the remote i put my keys in the refrigerator the other night and could not find them cause i was putting groceries away that is funny 0 you you are taking stuff from a bag and putting them in the refrigerator and then go back to my room can not get in can not get in look all around the kitchen definitely in the vegetable drawer that is funny so i always do that leaving it in my coat and then like using a different coat yep but i guess it is cause we do not carry remotes around that much yeah can not really take it into the other room yeah maybe with our little robot one we could have had him have a robot alien pear whatever he is have a little voice like i am located 0 a g p s system internal g p s 0 man here you go we should make one that walks by itself although if it is sitting still for too long yes i that really could get up and walk away or or like some crazy like electro magnet that you push it and it will go zoom to the t v and stick there or little or just just a wheel you know just if you like you would have a remote for your remote that will yeah well but if you could attach them to the t v then you can zoom yeah all kinds of possibilities okay sorry i am just trying to update my minutes i decided to you know how i sent you the email saying that powerpoint minutes will be complimentary rather than like repeating them yeah just going to make i am making full minutes so that it will include all of the agenda and all that 0 wow cause that seems a little more useful cause you have had like the most typing and organizing to do but i did not have like information to sloth through either so yeah i guess how much of your powerpoint was already done for you every meeting most of it i added slides i added a couple slides each time but that was about it 0 okay yeah i did not even think about adding slides cause i would just get slides with titles on them and fill them all in w did not even think about adding more well the thing was they would provide y an agenda with s like several points but it would not have a slide for each point ah yeah and that is the only way i remember that i need to go other that point i know personally when i do powerpoint that is what i do and so i had it once even if it was just like the title of it like the 3 presentations and i would do your 3 right you have you have to have the slogan on it or can it just be like the slogan on it no no definitely not no no no okay good we cause i was like it could go around the outside no i do not think we need to i think the r and r especially if the yellow and black one i think we just need the the r r yeah is it yellow and blue or yellow and blue lemme go to the web page yeah i was just kinda going by the web page cause they did not give me any clear like yellow gray or 0 i guess it is black gray gray is better than black does not look so bumblebeeish i do not really like yellow in general hey now i understand the random like newsclippings but it finish meeting now was not it interesting that i thought it was interesting that our market marketing expert did not agree with the marketing yes the marketing choices you know like that was a bit of a conflict i will i just feel like if you are really doing like a a really big market evaluation you would not just have like one set of source it is kind of an they were so not backed up it would just be a sentence like we did a survey this is what people said yeah s i dunno people are stupid i guess it i it sort of a gray is not it yellow and gray but then the slogan is in blue well we got some gray and we got some blue buttons we are good yeah well we do not have the right color clay anyway maybe like i do not know that could always be well we are not sadly going to actually be producing this so 0 if they ever come out with potato potato mango shaped remotes i am going to have to i am claiming it intellectual property yeah i can not believe a whole day is gone i know i do not feel like it has been that long get sucked in i have not gotten questionnaire 8 yet" ]

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[ "i am okay welcome to our detailed design meeting i am pretty excited let us start it is approximately 1540 or something like that okay the agenda we are going to do an opening and then i will talk about the minutes from the last meeting what we discussed then we will have the prototype presentation and look at the evaluation criteria we will look at the finances and finally do a production evaluation and close so starting off with the last 10 i do not have it here but we talked about energy we are going to use a kinetic battery we want to use a simple chip because we are not going to need a shuffle not going to need a scroll we are choosing a latex case case in fruity colors that is curved and we are using push buttons with a supplement of an on screen menu it sounded like we had set 8 or 9 buttons including 5 preset channels okay let us do the look and feel design presentation 1st right well we made 3 different prototypes and i guess we will start with this one we have our colors are not fixed but this is the general shape you hold it sort of either like this in your left hand or you switch it over and it is easily adaptable to either hand you can push the buttons with your thumb like a mobile phone or you can push them with your index finger of your other hand or even i mean there is a whole variety you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger we have the on off button at the tip very visible very visible very very and there is a whole variety very visible very big we have our up and down buttons which are also going to be our channel selectors and we have our little menu button here if you push if you are just pushing these normally they are the menu buttons the volume buttons if you press select once they become channel changing buttons you press select 3 times the menu with the other features and possibly also with your tv channel choices shows up and you have your 5 presets down here if people want to grab hold of that see how it feels in your hand that is our number one prototype do you want to present the potato or shall i present the martian there is a little lightning bolt in it very cute the rhombus the rhombus the rhombus this one is known as the potato it is a it is an ergonomic shape so it fits in your hands in your hands nicely designs to be used either in your left hand or in your right hand i have gone here just for 4 buttons on this one the 2 blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume we have got volume up and volume down on the other side here the red ones are for changing channels channel up and channel down and now this moves between your favorite channels that you have selected that you have selected this middle button here brings up the on screen menu and when you are working in the on screen menu you use the other 4 buttons to navigate around the menu system and the middle button to select and that is basically it on off that would be one of your channels basically okay so it turns off could the middle button of your channel could the middle button the on screen menu function of the power button not really it would make it hard to turn off if you press and held it maybe yeah it could be on off yeah that would be on off possibility yeah okay and then finally we have the martian or the pair either way it is a bit different just a little bit more of a creative feel you have the on off you have the on off toggle stem on the top we have the 5 preset seeds and then you have on the sides to make it a little bit more 3 dimensionally you have your channel changing volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle so that is for your consideration as well plus it is an interesting talking point to have standing up we figured it could stand up like this on your table if you wanted it to if i made the bottom sorry what is the other one in the middle i forgot the menu select button very interesting that was my favorite so that is our 3 prototypes basically in terms of making to see what we need to do is 1st of all decide on a form which are the 3 different shapes we want then we start what kind of button there what we want how many buttons and then we are going to choose what colors we want to make the ones maybe once in this time or if you want to put any text on the device like maybe you like to use it for a name or we were thinking that normally we would go for fruity colors but maybe we are also thinking that you are sort of middle aged man for an example customer might not want a pretty colored remote so maybe we would have one version that is a bit toned down maybe with with less contrast on it there is something still a little bright to make it hard to lose but but we do not want to be able to be able to be yes now that was one thing that we brought up over email i do not know if you picked up your email but the feature that we considered for not getting lost right well we were talking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive that it is not just like another piece of technology around your house it is going to be somewhere that it can be seen so we are not thinking that it is going to be as critical to have the laws or like in a couch you see it would it be very difficult to just have an external device that like i do not know you tape to your tv that when you press it a little like beep goes off do you think that would be conceptually possible i think it would be difficult for analogically because if you are if you are remote lost it is probably under the recipe under the city and in that case not sending in so it is i am not quite sure that is true yeah okay i wonder if it is more just a gimmick than anything is i mean how many times people would be doing like to go with a device like that actually there might be something that you can do in the circuit board in the chip to make it make a noise or something but it would take a lot more development then we have this after okay that is a fair evaluation getting lost we have decided not to worry about that for now okay because well the designs are very bright so you are right they are going to stick out so do people have a preference as far as feel and functionality i feel like this is similar to sort of what already exists so if we are trying to think of something sort of like new and fun even though this is like what you are initially i am initially drawn to just because it is like comfortable and like not different i sort of like this one like i do not know why it just it is like small but still sort of like cute looking i do not know but i also like the side buttons on that one like i think that is kind of neat but i do not know how much any of this has to do with the fashionable sort of cool looking thing that we also need to focus on could we maybe have like an extra button on the top for on off so then we would have to have a dual function there we go that is good here stick it on huh sure why do not we do a product evaluation using your criteria well to be like i think we are supposed to have one that we do it for 0 okay okay that was a little vague on what exactly i am supposed to do but let me i have to like write something on the whiteboard so do you need this or just write on the right no i i actually do not have like a powerpointy thing okay because i think it would be redundant okay i do not know it is kind of like a joystick kind of thing okay okay okay okay maybe a little smaller than that no i kind of like it that is hard to miss it makes it look more fancy it does it is kind of like it is like it is like 0 god there it could have a stem like that because i do kind of like the stem yeah it almost helps you keep a grip too because it goes in between fingers interesting i like this one okay is that where people are reading them the potato i like the idea of the i mean that is really gotten the simplicity of the buttons down that one i am worried about using a menu in that like within menus there are submenus and so how do you get back to the main menu well on the ipod every time you want to go back you hit the menu button that has a menu button separate from a select button whereas if this one is both the menu and the select button find the choice that you want to press you press the bytes button could these be used for going to submenus maybe it could be one of those if you press down and hold for 2 seconds then it brings you back one level or something okay well as long as we have that in mind as we are designing it still okay so which one are we sort of roughly looking at to address whether or not it meets our necessities the yellowy one is that potato are we leaning towards the potato i think so okay well we can obviously change it after we go through these different ones so basically what we need to do is some of the things that we have talked about before we need to make sure that that remote actually does conform to the things that we said it was going to so what we sort of want to do is we each need to separately rank each of the following things and then all tabulate an average just to make sure that it does not meet that so we will just go through them one at a time and we will just go around and each of you can tell me on a scale of one to 7 with one being really extremely true and 7 being not true at all or false if the remote that we have created conforms to the following criteria so we can do this 11st 1st you want to know if it meets the fancy look and feel objective so like in my opinion for now at least the yellow one is probably somewhere in the middle so i am going to say it is like a 3 that is just my opinion yeah what is each of you i kind of think it is unique enough that i would give it a one or 2 okay well give it a number okay i will give it a one i do not know if it is creative i do not know if fancy is the word would use i do not know if any of them are fancy and i would say 2 because unique 2 awesome all right and same sort of scale for functionality is it functional i think it is extremely functional i am going to give it a 111 i think it is functional it is also that you base it so i will give it too okay i think it will get everything done i think it might be a little confusing at 1st okay well there is some other ones that will address that yeah okay then i am going to give it a 2 awesome okay we want to know next if it is technologically innovative did you give a functional yeah she said this one okay is it technologically innovative not really i mean not so much because we do not have the lcd screen we do not have fancy chip other than what it looks like i do not know if it is well the kinetic battery the kinetic battery is a big one how many people would notice that though but we know it is there they will be like hey i have never changed the battery and if it is made of latex that whole idea that is pretty cool i will give it a 3 because it could have picked a lot of features that would make it really yeah i would say that it is like fancy versus creative it is different but does that equal innovative i do not know i will give it a 3 right you know it is not it is not unique i mean it is just i just push buttons so i give it i think i am going to go with 4 as well okay i really like that connected battery though next is it easy to use just so you know to learn will be separate is it all okay okay overlap them i think it is really easy to use i will give it a 2 i will give it a one pretty hard to mess up i would say 2 all right we next want to see if it has a spongy quality and if indeed it is made of latex or rubber it is spongy all the way give it a one yeah i wonder if it bounces when you drop it ooh then you could it would be harder to break hard to lose because it would be less impact maybe and what do you give it i will give it a one all right and the next is does it integrate some notion of fruits and vegetables well is it going to be yellow it might be because that is our corporate color is not it that is right yeah corporate color we did not keep that in we might want to keep it yellow well if we i know it would make it a little more confusing but if we had all the buttons in black and the design and the outside in yellow that would be our corporate one and then we could also have alternative colors one a more conservative 11 that is more fruity yeah it is more fruity yeah it is more fruity yeah it is more and can we have like an rr inscribed on the bottom or something sure all right so i think it is fruity it was inspired by the potato so i think it is pretty fruity i think it is kind of mangoy too yeah okay i am giving it a one the mango come and put me over that is a much worse what is everyone is numbers one one all right and does the design match the appropriate behavior remember earlier we discussed that people do not use a lot of buttons that they use the channel flipping in the volume the most i think we really took that into account a lot so i am going to give it a one yeah me too do you say one rose yes okay also we talked earlier about rsi and wanting to prevent any sort of carpal tunnel y kind of thing do we think that the latex sort of grip appropriately takes that into account i think i will give it to 2 because i almost feel like no matter what you do something is going to happen and if it is repetitive movement it is going to be only 4 border buttons that you are constantly pushing but i am i am worth the best i like how it fits in the hand though i would go with it too i will say 2 as well because older people that are not used to like texting for the thumb might bend it a bit at 1st all right awesome and the ease of learning it i know you were saying that you were a little bit nervous about that i do not know it sort of reminds me the ipod i just got my i still have not read the instruction book and i am doing okay and i am not good at learning technology so i will give it a 2 the menu system and the fact that multiple buttons are used for different things might be a bit confusing but i think if it is one of those things that it might take you 5 minutes to figure out but you will have it afterwards so i think i would give it a 2 i guess i think it is probably a little harder than most remote to learn because you have to use the vector system and you have to tell it what your favorite panels are 0 good point but once you have learned how to use it i think it would give it a 4 okay i think it would give it a 4 too it is a pretty high learning curve it will be easy once you have done it all right also earlier we had to do it something about losing it and so now we are not addressing that at all so we we i think we can kind of say we addressed it with color okay so in terms of not losing it do you think that on a scale of one to 7 how easy or hard is it to lose i am going to i am going to give it a 4 because i think that you can still if it is in between somewhere where you can not see it you are kind of not going to find it but anywhere else it is going to stand out i would say i would give it a 3 i guess it depends how tidy you are normally or give it a 4 i will give it a 5 small too all right we also said simplicity how well does it address just being simple simple to use or simple in design i think overall because we had said before our 2 main things were simplicity and fashion so those are the next few things we are going to not look are the next few things we are going to look at separate from fancy like that sort of thing it like wants to be simple but it is not like totally totally simple so i am going to give it a 2 well give it a 3 i guess 3 all right and fashionable it is totally fashionable it is hot i mean it is a mango come on i mean how fashionable can you make a remote i think it is bringing technology and fashion together really well i do not know i do not think it is quite as fashionable as my robot remote i do like the little martian or whatever he was yeah the toggle on off switch was really appealing number 2 3 one and does it meet our like demographic need sort of for international appeal that whole thing that whole thing just that it would serve our audience i do not see why not i think as long if we offer it in at least 3 different color arrangements yeah that is good so i will give it a 2 yeah all right does anyone have any other features that they think are important that we did not talk about well we did not address the fact that it does need to have a corporate logo let us make sure we keep that in mind that one of our colored concepts is corporate and has an rr on it well i think all of them should have an rr and so we are going to do that so we will address it fine okay that is me okay now we are going to look at finances i have an excel sheet that we are actually going to calculate the costs so let me 1st okay 0 yeah yeah i know let me get a little more space i am going to zoom in real quick okay hand dynamo we are using kinetic battery right and we are having one per one okay electronics single simple simple rather okay case double curved yeah it is very curvy so okay yeah i did get a picture of those so i do not really know our case material supplements oops we just get to well do not we need plastic and no we the plastic is the plastic for the inside is assumed the supplement is 0 i guess it was rubber rather than the rubber it was rubber and special color right yeah do we have more than one special color yeah we are using we are going to need at least 2 special colors i do not know what the same the basic color is colored yeah well but we know that we are having at least 3 colors so well are we talking about on each color combination or we you know like we will have yellow and black is that 2 special colors yeah i do not know or is white and black than 2 more or i guess it is 3 3 3 all right maybe the rr will be in color as well so yeah interface we are doing push buttons and how many buttons do we have sex 0 no 5 6 with a power anything else no 0 do we will not are the buttons in special colors i did not get information on it 0 buttons 0 so the case material will just have one color right but then the buttons will be in special colors but if we are making multiple varieties of this is where i am getting confused we are saying per unit per unit okay okay so each unit will only have one color all right and each button but the cases could have up to 3 i mean the buttons could be up to 3 colors that is how it is designed there i like it like that okay special form they are all kind of just push button no i think they are fine special material we want them rubber as well probably yeah 0 do i have to do it per button do i no i do not think so i think if they are all going to be rubbed then that is what it matters yeah because what makes sense otherwise because for the whole case material it is only one yeah i mean it is 2 to make it rubber okay wait so maybe 137 0 yeah what can we reduce okay let us have our buttons all be one color i kind of like the button that would do it is only going to bring us down to 133 anyway all right okay are we sure this is double curved maybe it is single we have to no idea we have no idea i do not know i did not get any pictures single curve what well it is not yeah okay it is a kinetic battery that is kind of expensive but we have a simple chip single curve case material is rubber and it is a special color yeah but that is important that is important 6 buttons how did it get more expensive what did you just change what it was 13 and now it is 15 no okay maybe not i do not know what just happened now it is 12 125 hey hey so we are okay we are all set then yeah we are all is okay all right we are all set save i save that to our big shared folder so you know okay back to agenda are the costs under €1250 yes yes yes let us move on to the project evaluation project process satisfaction with for example the room for creativity leadership teamwork the means any new ideas found so i guess what we are going to talk about here is just evaluating how we created this project the information we got and used how we used it if we were able to use our creativity with the information how well i guess i led it how well we worked together as a team the digital pen the whiteboard wow okay i felt very creative i enjoyed making the prototype i think we could have a single cath i think of what we had just about some guess of the good piece i think we could have done even better with a little bit more information like what is a single curve case how many colors what do colors count but given what we had i think we did really well i think we worked together pretty well yeah i mean if i had more market research research other than fruits and vegetables maybe we could have taken that into account but the fruits and vegetables stimulated by creativity i know i really did the whole mango idea is great no i mean i found that the pen was a little distracting for me personally like it is heaviness and like just being so conscious of turning the pages i do not know that was a bit of a distraction but with the last one like i chose not to do a powerpoint because i did not think it made sense too so i liked that i had the option to do that and just to take my own node that whole sort of thing i think we all made very significant contributions i do not think anybody dominated it which i thought was really good like each of us was able to like each of you had your information and i tried to facilitate it without like taking it over i am like our little finished product they are funny kind of want one can we work at this as the back and go remote should we have that somewhere on the packaging i have a little i am trying to think of a good pun that i could add there but i know let us think of it like a little jingle i like the rr that is going to be etched in yes hopefully not with just my finger now at some point but i am a useful little gadget all thanks to ian for the design of that one hazar okay what did we find new ideas found people should really base their remotes on fruits and vegetables definitely or at least be creative enough to think of toggle switches i et cetera i am really into the idea of kinetic batteries now 0 i am so excited yeah i did not even know they existed i knew you could get watches that had them like really quite expensive watches that just never need a battery because you are always moving your wrist but in other things i think it would be really good yeah that is awesome okay closing at the cost within the budget is the project evaluated then is the final questionnaire and meeting summary so this is a great product kids i think we have created something really interesting and that we have a market for it especially if we can produce it at 123 which we hope make sure in your questionnaire to put down criticisms of both the process and the final results and yeah real reaction i do like the martian remote if we could choose more than one that would be my 2nd choice 0 that would definitely be my 2nd choice although the toggle i am afraid i would i would break it i would break it i think i would break it it started because i wanted to have a stem and then and then all right so 0 that is funny it started as a pair but then it started looking word we are like martian whatever it looks like a penguin like no i i like that it stands up well maybe i should market it to some remote control company now so our art 0 poor little thing okay congratulations nothing will come up until after our meeting is supposed to be over at all time anybody have i got more master classes anybody else want to like take a master is class that is really funny that you got spam in your work yeah but check it out so like there are all these like links they do not go in there but all you need to keep in mind your knowledge management just want to make sure you do no the 1st one thing you said like i did not realize it was a joke and i was like fine did she send me just it is very work relevant because people send spam a lot yeah definitely i am very sad that i did not get any links to the corporate website here you can see you can see what if i get through the corporate website you can just see what is up inspiration about circuit words wow yeah it is really deep hold on it takes a little while to get excited to load the excel thing was pretty cool yes i love excel it is one of my favorite programs inspiration basically i am going to give you 2 sentences on fashion and that kind of thing see you miss out that much yeah my inspiration from last time is the interior of remote control being taken apart bit by bit talking about circuit ports i learned a lot actually 0 wow i could probably take apart of remote control now if i really needed to that is one was cooler i got a whole table and everything i do not have all about circuits and chips and trans ponderers i wrote it all down because i thought it would be relevant like all the different parts of the inside of remote control but then they are like you do not actually need this that is like mine that was like would you prefer an lcd screen or a multifunction remote control and then it did not have like any kind of table i am glad they asked that question and did not report the result it is really interesting though i thought it was a little tricky having to hand around this thing yeah yeah we had a lot of the otherwise the technology out today was kind of cool that was really neat how we got emails we did not use the whiteboard that much no although i do not see how we could have very well at least for me yeah if i had gotten pictures of the different parts of the case the different looks of the case i would have probably drawn them up because we were not voting on anything i think usually like whiteboards are good and you are like crossing ideas or like if we had like a brainstorming period we could have put our brainstorming stuff up there rather than just talking about it but i thought we were good with only 4 people it does not really make sense and with the powerpoint that we can all look at like you can do all those things pretty much on powerpoint and these might have made us more willing to like take notes than to like write them here because we all needed them separately kind of in the whiteboards in this room because we were all going to be working in different places yeah if we were all going to stay in here all the time then having the notes up on the whiteboard would have been all right but everyone needs their own like specific notes again now when you were creating your prototypes here did you work together or did you like do separate projects but we were like sort of made different shapes and then discussed how the buttons might work and how we might do then in the way it was a bit of both really we just kind of started out by each taking a color of clay and just fooling around with it and i came out with that rhombus shape and he came up with a sort of potato y mango y shape and then just went from there really cool it was fun well done with the management i felt well managed 0 thank i think we did well in 1st of all keeping our meetings for time and secondly actually we did a good job of making firm decisions with yes sorry that happened to be all the time though i know what happens sometimes is that you tend to sit there meeting and then people sort of drift away without anything that we really been decided but i think here we have got clear and decisive decisive points down at the end of the meeting so that we knew where to go on yeah i was quite worried at the end of the last meeting that we were not getting we did not really have enough information to make from decisions but we were able to do it regardless so i am not usually a very decisive person so it helped to have people to say this needs to be done in 5 minutes i found that we did we could have used another 5 or 10 minutes especially last time yeah i think the last time we had a lot of information but at the same time not quite enough you know what i mean we could not answer every single question right and i felt the 1st 2 meetings that i was coming with no information and that sort of made me really i do not know throwing together a powerpoint out of no information and then the last time it was like the opposite i had so much information and so much to talk about it was interesting what came out later like as i was doing the when i was doing the breakdown on the agenda that they gave me that more points came out from your presentation even i am a little i am a little disappointed that we did not do something for losing the remote because that was kind of a big point that was something like in order to talk about that we would have had to have actual knowledge about circuit boards yeah but how it was even when we just were creating from the excel file there was not like an option to select to somehow have it included so there was no way we could be like yeah it has not been there is no way for us to have written down that it was really there i think we were just getting over enthusiastic with the task well it is interesting i think we really got into it i mean i got into it as the day went on i got really like ooh i am designing remote control i do not know if that is just neat yeah it was interesting though that they put that 50% of people say they have frustration with losing their remote and yet they did not provide us with information to yeah yeah you were not providing information to discuss that i know that like people people have like things they can put on their keys that you press it and it will beep yeah but i am sure that would require some kind of technology that i just do not know what it is i think there are some of those like infomercial remotes that have things so you will not lose them i do not know i mean we were talking about it and like in my household at least there is only about 2 places that the remote is ever because there is only one tv and there is only like 3 years that is like saying you are never going to lose your keys and i always do anyway you will lose them in your pocket like you just will forget that or like put it down somewhere that like made sense and then remember there is always ways to lose things it depends on how organized you are personally yeah or like i guess what the set of the house is too but i mean i am notorious for losing my keys i guess i have just i guess i have just never lost the remote i put my keys in the refrigerator the other day i could not find them so i was putting groceries away that is fine you are taking stuff from a bag and putting them in the refrigerator to come back to my room can not get in can not get in look all around the kitchen definitely in the vegetable shore i always do the alleviating coat and using a different coat yep yep but i guess it is good we do not really carry remotes around that much yeah i can not really take it into the other room maybe with our little robot one we could have had him to have a robot alien pair whatever he is have a little voice like i am located or a gps this is a internal gps and then here you go although if it is sitting still for too long you should make one that walks by itself it really could get up and walk away or like some crazy like electro magnet that you push it and it will go to the tv and stick there or just a wheel you know just if you would have to have a remote for your remote that would get it well but if you could attach something to the tv then you can do that all kinds of possibilities okay sorry i am just trying to update my minutes i decided to you know how i sent you the email saying that powerpoint in minutes will be complementary yeah rather than like repeating i am just going to make i am making full minutes so that it will include all of the agenda and all that wow because it seems a little more useful because you had the most typing and organizing to do but i did not have like information to sloth the reader either how much of your powerpoint was already done for you every meeting most of it i added slides i added a couple slides each time but that was about it i did not even think about adding slides because i would just get slides with titles on them and fill them all in did not even think about adding more well the thing was it would provide an agenda with like several points but it would not have a slide for each point and that is the only way i remember that i need to go over that point i know personally when i do powerpoint that is what i do so i added ones even if it was just like the title of it like the 3 presentations and then we do the 3 we can not have the slogan on it or can it just be like the slogan on it no definitely it is like it could go around the outside no i do not think we need to i think the r and r especially if the yellow and black one is it yellow and blue or yellow and blue let me go to the web page yeah i was just kind of going by the web page because they did not give me any clear like yellow gray i guess it is black gray gray better than black does not look so bumble y ish i do not really like yellow in general i really understand the random like news clippings finish meeting now was not it interesting that i thought it was interesting that our marketing expert did not agree with the marketing choices you know like i will because i just feel like if you are really doing like a really big market evaluation you would not just have like one set of sources kind of and they were so not backed up it would just be a sentence being like we did a survey this is what people said yeah i do not know people always do that i guess it is sort of a gray is not it yellow and gray but then the slogan is in blue well we got some gray and we got some blue buttons we are good yeah well we do not have the right color clay anyway maybe like i do not know we could always be well we are not sadly we are into actually reproducing this 0 if they ever come out with potato potato bag of shaped remote i am going to have to i am claiming it intellectual properties yeah i can not believe the whole day is though i do not feel like it has been that long i do not get sucked in i do not think i have gotten my question there aint yet" ]

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[ "with the lapel so we i think we organize just to to discuss sorry i do not have my presentation to discuss yeah the project alexandre and jean marc proposed a about capturing audio video and slide in a synchronized way and so we will start with an introduction i think olivier prepared some slides about reviewing yeah current systems and and then even if we do not have many things to to talk about just to to start discussing about clearly the project and also dealing with our kind of timing constraints and so they are on my they are on a the u u s u u s b cord does not work and you did not put on the no no they are maybe you can access through the network if it is on your h yeah or it is on your d machine no no my d machine so maybe we wi we will be able to yeah okay should work just going what keep going so w yeah we had like 5 slides y presenting different systems the show must go on and mayb maybe you we can do that at the white board i it is a bit stupid but y you know i think you remember well the different parts okay and i am sure we can do that at the white board okay so yeah i will do something like that yeah it would be great to use the white board okay so i would like just to review at the different project regarding acquisition system so basically there are 5 systems the 1st one is called smac which is developed by fribourg and cern the 2nd one i is your system i would to say the cheap meeting room system the 3rd one yeah maybe i can share that with you so the the the 1st one is smac okay the smac yeah should i write yeah maybe yeah okay just a review of current systems to introduce yeah yeah sure that is interest us the 1st one is yeah i will call that a smac which is develop by fribourg and cern the 2nd one b which is i would like to che say cheap meeting room or i do not know it is okay it should well cheap meeting room is the you know it is a conference room but for the moment just for the purpose well f for the moment it is just to understand each other so we know we know that the okay you can say then you or it i th i thought it was called pas so i think just use this yeah yeah for with pas pas it is okay alexandre p a s pas yeah good idea pas yeah yeah yeah okay p a s the 3rd one is this sounds like alexandre pas yeah that is not that p pas project okay the 3rd one is called the s this is the smart meeting room develop at fribourg which is called the smart smart mediat smart minutes but i thi diva it is diva n est ce pas something like this yeah because a sma yeah smart minute is all the process of capturing the minutes automatically it is diva okay but it is diva we can say the p diva d i v a something like that the 3rd one is call the 3rd one is the project that i have to improve the current smart meeting room at idiap for that we will use yeah a tape 3 okay let us call that free and the last one i would like just mention just to for the meeting and this is the fire wire i do not know if you saw my presentation during my turn you did you yeah okay e which is firewire okay so i will start just with the smac so maybe i draw line here so the smac the smac project the smac project is a project which aims to do the acquisition of audio video and slide for presentation yeah this project is done with fribourg and cern but i am just going to make a very short graphic in fact they use a card a video card which is call i v c yeah does not matter yeah i just write i v c in fact this is a video card with 4 inputs on these 4 inputs you can have only video but they want to make also the slide acquisition so on one input they put a conversion box a converter which converts from slide to video so that mean that we decrease the the quality we have a high quality in slide and we go to low quality to lower quality with video so this one is just for the smac now i will just move and this the 3 of those are the v the the video d yeah these one are just for video and audio you can use them and this board does the divx compression on the fly this is the box that we have on the table the the card that we have on the table and i would like to add that this c i think it is quite ambitious project because it is with the cern and they w they already worked on a european project called indico where they they have release deliver a full kind of conference software and to to manage all the the conference aspects we have in a conference automatically and i know that at fribourg they installed already in in a in a big amphitheater for students and i guess it is currently working ah no either just to in parentheses we did not choose that that solution because they had no the the slides were not captured very in a very precise way that is the point okay otherwise they it is fully automatic or have have you discussed with them did you discuss that is it fully automatic you do not know i do not know okay well i suppose i suppose they can capture things right i think i mean do not s i do not see why you could not capture the videos i mean with a card like this but the p i but i i it all synchronize and i is it doing all what we want but without the slide precision i do not know i mean i do not know but l let be careful okay yeah there is one important point the technical aspects of the way you acquire things should be driven by the kind of processing you want to have so in our case we need to have a good processing of slides that in our case it means to transcribe with an 0 c r and then make indexing we need to have high resolution image i guess that is what you mean by precision right yeah so in a sense that is the point for us we need to have this sufficient resolution images of slides to do what we want to do so that is why i guess we do not follow that solution and okay because apparently yeah and we are su and we are sure that in that context of smac project with fribourg working on document analysis there were not enough precision un enough resolution in the slides as far as i know so far they did similar works on meetings document centered meetings they always worked on manual transcriptions of documents yeah so they never really took into account a possibility of actually performing processing on the document they talk about during the meeting during in this case the the talk okay talk conference the conference the the th the presentation as far as i know as far as they published i kn i know the results they published so far so essentially they n never took into account i mean the work at the high level which means basically we have the information coming from here and there and we n created techniques that allow to starts from the text there and the things that are said and w if we find context i mean they make some kind of processing but as they do not work on the low level so low level it means basically okay take the speech and extract the transcription i take the image of the document and i take the transcription they basically do not really care of this aspect as far as i understand okay well as far as i as far as i know i mean they do of course they can do of course slide detection as far as i know change slide change detections which of course what i understood is also they try to recover the layout somehow i mean given the slides but they are in no case they are extracting the text from the slides yeah so with in in all the cases what i have seen in all the cases i have seen i mean they s assume that at least you have like a p d f version of the document or what exactly and basically they try to match what is displayed to the document so 1st they need to extract the information from the document which is not does not seem to be so trivial okay exactly at least for because they are also working with maybe more complex documents with images and text and so on yeah maybe with slides it is ea it is easier to extract the information i assume it is ea it is easier indeed but they assume basically that they have this document yeah which is something somehow we would like to relax because people like in it is you may not want each time to ask the person maybe the person has a point not the not a p d f version or maybe he is using excel to do a demonstration or something like this and we will want to avoid this let us say that it makes less automatic in the sense that at point you need someone giving the file and putting the file upload in somewhere et cetera to c to capture and it is a different kind of processing some way is always driven by w what you are able to do yeah yeah they work a lot on layout analysis i know they match the layout in 2 x m l files et cetera so it is a different way of approaching the problem which means a different way of capturing different exigencies in in capturing the the documents yeah yeah different requirements but but most you would say most most of the points for us i mean would be valid i mean slide transition we would use slide need to do it slide transition yep yeah yep to some extent we would like to extract some elements of the layout to disting to have a more high analysis yeah but we would like to do this more automatically and in particular for the text recognition to do to be able to do retrieval of slides or points i mean of parts of presentation we would like not to have to rely yeah to a 1st p d f version or any version of the document so yeah okay so the solution to that low quality is solved b by you project the pas project i make a tick here and i clean up this is just to to solve that pro that problem regarding the slide and the slide resolution so we remove that part and we call that the pas and in that case we use a frame grabber here and we go with the slide here and of course these 2 cards will be on the same machine and we have to develop a solution here the main critical point is here the synchronization between these 2 these 2 cards and with that this is the card that we use in the smart meeting room and this is the card the so the c you have bought this card right i mean you say this is a card yeah these one no no th this one is and this one the video card no no and this one this is the card that we have already at idiap for the sli yeah but i mean this one is the i v c i it is the same as as you have in the picture yeah yeah yeah okay so what i want to say is on this card there are 4 inputs right yep yeah okay yeah not n so enough well yeah yeah so i was thinking to some extent nothing would would prevent us from also acquiring the slide but really the slide stream from from this card indeed right or okay yeah yeah yeah so we can have both we can have the slide from the slide capture and we can just use a video signal to to capture that also yeah okay to capture the slide yeah okay to have 2 t you wants to ha do you have 2 quality h high quality and well i mean just because we cannot rec we can w something we cannot do with it seems for with the high q quality capture device is to have a stream i mean the stream right the full stream yeah we can just take some snapshots so we can tape snapshots yeah so basically it might be interesting to have still the s the slide stream so that for instance if we detect there is a new video that is displayed also on to some extent we could just cut this videos to keep it and to be able to replay it later on and so on yeah yeah yeah yeah and maybe indeed if for instance the slide stream on the on the right is automatically synchronized with the other parts of the video yeah it may be easier to s to synchronize directly by some some matching process the slides the high quality measures we have here we have directly yeah yeah yeah with this one so yeah you will not yeah yeah so you you would you c you can link like this yeah yeah something like like say something like that yeah exactly yeah yeah yep so at least this is not at the electronic level but you would say as a contents from the content level doing an alignment from the slide stream and from the snap shots we would have on the other side w is something that might be possible yeah of course if we have some you know some constraints given by the electronic i mean it is that is better because of course 1st the process is going to be easier and it may be just a few signals that we have to align on the other parts yep but i think i could see i could imagine that this could be a reasonable process to do and it especially because this would solve some of the issues regarding i mean like the possibility of d of displaying videos after from from what we record yeah yeah ch yeah video yeah yeah yep definitely so yeah okay so i was just talking about the pas project maybe i would like just now to talk about the diva project so i clean up yeah i there did you read something regarding the diva project well this is more or less what we just discussed right if i understand in fa yeah we just remember that here we we still have only one machine to do the slide video and audio acquisition and the diva it was something different fact we have a master machine that is we have a master machine here and we have some slaves machine here we have some connection and here we have some input we have audio usually we have audio and and the same for this one and basically on the slave machine we have 2 cards one for audio and one for video so they develop something to synchronize these 2 cards together and th this is something which is it is more w which is call direct show which allows you to to synchronize these 2 cards together and but of course you want these 2 streams to be synchronize but you want also these 2 streams to be synchronized so they have a synchronization between 2 slaves which is done by the master here we just use the et ethernet network to synchronize these 2 these 2 device i just write internet something like that and they do only audio and video they do not do any slide slide acquisition yeah acquisition okay so yves asked for the diva i would like just to talk now regarding the the fire free smart meeting room at idiap do you have any question tape free or tape free what yeah tape free sorry tape free d v tape free tape free smart meeting room so for that i so like the diva project is a tape free already smart meeting room huh yes yeah it is yeah it is a tape free but also video and the acquisition is done in raw video so the file is huge and they really need they have a long post processing to convert raw file to divx or to our own files okay but this can be done automatically right i mean is the okay yeah but it takes time it it is just just to mention that so i will write and that is what you they use more or less in t n 0 also they did not have tapes but with different cards yeah so at t n 0 they have something yeah yeah they had something ah okay okay okay for the ami project so maybe 1st i will just describe the ma the smart meeting room that we have at idiap yeah okay no no that is what i was thinking in fact we have also a master slave architecture i clean a little bit we have the master p c which take ks which takes care about the audio i clean that and we have the slave p c which take cares about the white board and the slides now if we look at the video if we look at the video in fact yeah maybe 1st i should mention that between the master and the slave we have the a synchronization signal which is call time midi time code yeah i just write midi and for the video we have the video input here we re use the midi signal with to insert the time code on each frame and we save that to d v recorder i i have video okay we know the problem of that that this is that after each meeting somebody has to take care about the d v tapes and to t convert them into divx so my idea is to d do something like that is to develop a s a video slave machine may i say something like that yeah a video slave machine which use the midi which use also the midi time code no sorry sorry i am doing something wrong we have the video here we just have the time code inserter so we take that signal here and we move to this machine here which is in fact just the i v c video card this just an acquisition card and we com and we s and we convert file directly to divx and so we will have here video and also because we want to control that machine we use also the midi time code the midi time code to start and to stop the machine this is just something that this just to remove the d v recordings but yeah just this just an improvement of the smart meeting room okay do you have any question regarding that yeah so currently because there is a time code video time code you do not care about the frame dropping i mean because anyway in each in the video signal it is encoded the time right yeah we do not have to care about the synchronization in that case because the time code is ins serted here and we take after the time code insertion we take the video signal and we pass through the machine yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so this is a simple solution but where we do not have to care about the synchronization okay because the synchronization problem comes from the the grabbing from the d v tape in in d in d vix co yeah the synchronization is yeah so it is afterwards well but you do not i mean at this point you do not really care because i mean in the signal you can extract the time i mean the time stamp is i in the signal so if you drop some frame which happens sometimes when you do compression or acquisition you you ev you will automatically find this in the signal right yeah i mean it is encoded in the in the image so you can you can do it yeah otherwise if there is some frame dropping you have to rely on the number of frames you are counting more or less i suppose to to assess it yeah 0 no it is impossible yeah so you have you have some problems then yeah okay okay so the f last one is the fire wire acquisition i just which i which was more or less t n 0 s problem okay with respect to frame dropping right they did not have too much fun grabbing the problem is was that it was not synchronized so the time code was wrong for for the different videos they had the at the beginning of the video you if you saw the time code it was 6 hours ni 50 minutes and h there 4 hours 32 minutes yeah so it is it was a problem with the time code well i think if it was not a problem of frame dropping the alignment would have been quite easy to to do well that is what they did manually after the afterwards and the but they did not have too much frame drops in fact no they d yeah yeah yeah i am sure really well so it was not such a difficult process then because well it is manual to to synchronize it the frame yeah but if it is only to find one of set you have to find some exa some examples yeah that is what they did but i i had the feeling that they had also some frame dropping that was no no no because we did the software here and it they did not choo no our software okay okay then that is fine okay in fact the the major problem regarding acquisition system is always the synchronization and for that fire wire is good i mean fire wire was a project now the project is stand by we do not move to that project i am but i am just going to talk about this one so with acquisition with acquisition systems the major problem the major problem is the synchronization and fire wire gives you some some way to be synchronize in fact this is i just want to to describe here the bus this yeah this is of the bus where you can send you can send some package and any device we which wants to send a package a p a packet sorry should ask there is a manager of that bus packet this just of the bus any device which wants to send a packet has to r to r require some band width on the bus on the bus and so after that he will have that band width and he will always have that band width so yeah he will always have that band width and so we are sure that we will have a synchronize acquisition with fire wire and so so that mean that and this is no no no yeah yeah sorry sorry yeah and this is done at the you have libraries hardware et et cetera to to choo well a all you you are saying about asking about band width et cetera it th when y you use a system hardware it is i it is done by it is done by hardware yeah yeah it is done by hardware so we do not have to code all the communication process et cetera no no no no no and in fact yeah so just for explanation i i as i mentioned before we have a bus manager and the bus manager send just a flag to say now it is time to give me you data and all devices which have required some band width will send the data so i am just drawing something like that this is this kind of signal that the th bus manager is sending and just after that bus just after that signal all device will send the data so we will have the data from a from b and from c and so on and after the next one we will have again the the data from a b and c and so on and so on and so with fire wire we are sure to have a an acquisition system now the major problem with fire wire is that that fire wire is just an kind of intelligent a smart pipe a synchronized pipe we can put what we want inside so we can put raw data or we can send a divx data or we can send also what i was presenting in my term presentation was a h 264 but in that case we need something hardware here to uncode raw data to a given format of course the idea is to reduce the band width on the bus also and all data are sent through the master do you have any quest yeah now basically we have all this kind of general view about all the systems maybe we can take this opportunity to come back to our system because you know we had there are we had the long discussion and finally we decided for for one approach yeah and maybe take the opportunity to look just a moment at what point we are and w when we plan basically to get something done and working i can add to that list of project is something that jean marc and me we have found in the literature there is f x that is doing something very similar to to what we do here basically yes a capture through the projector signal of the slides and they for the moment they just plan to use the slides as a as a way to index the presentations but but roughly is is an idea that is very similar to to our idea so well essentially now we have the material as far i am as i am understood and it is up to you to tell us roughly when do you think we are going to have something working okay yeah so we need well this is will be done together t like in to to try to divide the time what do we do we we do not want today to to put deadlines you know but what we have what we can do and how we will be able to do i was thinking for instance in th in what we have because i do not know a lot about using like d l l m f c microsoft software but i am very happy to to go with that and so what we have until now is the software that darren did for the frame grabbing and and actually i c i can start playing and looking at the this in detail so darren software about frame grabbing sup i suppose m f c c no not m f c c but m e m f c you heard of that and d l l et cetera the all the windows pro programming issues yeah so this is one step then the audio video card so so 1st we need to look at this to look at the demos that are i with the what they call the s d k software development kit yeah demos test testing the card with only one audio for instance and then only one video and e even testing with only the slides to capture all the like what you were saying the the s the video s stream yeah well slide stream in fact the slide card l sorry the slide card and the video card are both s d k the frame so what you mean the frame grabbing card yeah yeah both are s d k they have s d k software development kit that is based on m f c libraries and c +plus libraries yeah yeah y yeah yeah this for that you i do not remember by how okay no okay but so once you we have tested the individually the card we can test to synchronize the audio and the video together or is it no it is synchronized usually audio audio and video should be synchronized or okay because this just an on an audio video channel okay so they are synchronize so we can play with the video we can play with the slide and after that and the major point is to m combine both okay and the i th now we are as you said what not now but the next point would be to use that card with the other card and to merge the slide signal with the yep well the s yeah the synchronization signal coming from the frame grabbing card it is it is it is not a synchronization signal it is a slide with a t we we do not have synchronization oui oui yeah we will we have to find a solution and for that might be we can use direct show which is a syn which is a technique to synchronize different device and is is it external to this card it is external no no or it is i this is just an application which i so it is external it is not in this card no no no no no no this not on the card this just an application that runs on the machine and we do not have to buy that or well to to at least the basic f i think direct show you can download for free i am i am not sure m i should check okay and that will will will be will help us to synchronize the this frame grabbing card and this video card or yeah it m yeah so t yeah we need to do some tests reading and yeah okay and then when we have okay where do we do that he we do not know yet with frank if we install this card maybe here i think the best thing to do is to have a machine just which is only dedicated to to that because if you if you if you if you use a machine which has been already used for something else sometimes you have plenty of libraries okay and at idiap it is possible there and so you you do not know exactly okay maybe it would be better to have just a dedicated machine just for that careful because the i listened to frank and apparently do not want to buy a new machine before we show that this works just for okay so we have to use material that is already available okay yeah but maybe there are already some machines you know maybe there is some free ma machine that is not well on my machine his machine or this machine maybe okay s so it is possible to use other machines actually yeah yeah i mean just that you know if of course you do not want to have a c other libraries that may you know conflict with the one you are trying to use at the same time yo see if you crash a machine i mean because you are doing some test you may not want to have what is on your machine i mean to to be to be de erased or whats whatever yeah yeah yeah okay so i think it is so maybe there is a machine i do not know whether for this you need you know a very powerful machine and so on issue but maybe there is a possibility to use a current machine which is only u yeah that is is withdrawn from the network or yeah yeah yeah some of some other machine yeah i i oui because because i think the video is done the video compression is done on the on that card and i am not 100% sure the card but i think the j peg the j peg conversion for the slide capture is done also on the card so we do not need yeah but still i mean even if it is done on the card you need to basic thing you need to check is is a bus right i mean the bus writing i mean the speed of the bus ah yeah yeah but i mean yeah i was just thinking about the the speed of the computer could be lower yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so c p u itself may not be so the access yeah so in terms of time what we can think so yeah when we can expect to see so can we expect a christmas gift yeah christmas 27 christmas gift or early new year gift no no yeah that is good question maybe a 1st so solution will be just to start w with because we need to start with something we have the slide capture from darren we have i will work on the video acquisition for the inpu the tape free smart meeting room so i will start with that to develop some knowledge regarding that board that video board and after that we can combine both but the way of course i am i i do not know exactly what the work involves yeah alexandre did not care too much about the way you i no no no but you are more in research so is this no that is not that i do not care but i d i do not understand some way exactly i think the the the real point is when okay i said at the beginning of the meeting that well we are not d doing deadlines roughly i mean i i do not say well no no no but yeah i do not want to put a deadline yeah but given the current material we have given your activities because i know that you both are involve in many other things no no yeah yeah yeah so it is something that you yeah as jean marc said is christmas and so we are happy with the christmas gift or is something that you say is christmas 2006 so i i i definitely just want to know something very rough on when you expect to finish this for instance i mean the test of looking at their entry goes point by point yeah so looking at their code i mean so you said you would look at this right or is it okay ye well we would look both at because we are also both quite busy with other projects of course e h f e s database with j ferret that is problem that is that is a problem i mean do you think it is something for the very next months do you think it is something for the end of next year do you think sp okay this is between both no for not for no no this not for end of next year it is too long yeah of course yeah and it it is it is too long it is too long so is for so half next year so june june june 2006 for myself i would like to say april may april may we should have results re results what does it mean the end of this so it works it does not work no no no i mean the not al almost the the the the complete application ready to be used maybe some minor will appears you know for for me what is important is when it is ready to be use yeah so when i can say start collecting data i start using so data i start playing with this basically the process is ready and we can start having our demo and also because there is a risk that we submitted a project maybe it will be rejected we do not know but potentially we are going to have a student supposed to work in this it will be no not before april 2006 anyway but you know some way we we we we cannot have a students and make him wait one year before he has the material to work yeah we yeah yeah yeah yeah so my point is when kay reasonably roughly i do not do not do not want to have and it is not a deadlines oui well but when do you expect to have the system ready to work working because i mean i mean the i v c system yep i mean it is i so my feeling is that i mean people have expertise in this like in fribourg also yeah yeah so i mean i do not think it should take a lot of time i mean just to look at this right they have i mean at least one month seems to be quite enough for this right yeah th it is a yeah but we start with the i v c we start with the data path the the slide frame grabber yeah yeah and after that is and the question is how to synchroni to to to make both card working together together so this seems to be the main problem as far as as i understand yeah yeah so yeah let us see from fro for checking darren is code et cetera we can expect until and yeah for 01 months or so then the the i i v c w with the people at fribourg have yeah yeah i v c i v c should go faster okay so at fribourg we we have yeah because anyway this is what you are working on right is the i v c but using the signals that are coming i mean so basically it is using the i v c okay yeah i will i am not currently working on it i will start to work on january on that point so but i think okay and then the direct show okay so currently you are not working on this or yeah no no i am not working okay then we need i schedule to to work on that from m so we can say we try to to make something for april yeah but i have also a que make something re that you are using very vague expression but well i i want this to to work in the for the time in the result make something just just just tell me when it is ready mayb and if you think it is it is not before but but must be reasonable i m i mean if you think it will be not before december 2006 say december 2006 so do not try to tell me march or april i w if you already know that it is unrealistic to say that must be realistic you say june 2006 we know it is june 2006 but i would like to say there is many unknown in that project i know i but i would like to say we can make a schedule of that project to just to track to just to see if we track the time table the sure sure but if we do not we we asks for more people maybe h e v s people to to to be slightly involved in that project to be to to respect the date 01 student or yeah yeah well but there is no day to respect it is just to know i mean and if you can have early early warnings in the sense that if you see that there is a major problem somewhere yeah n but is just to know in the sense that really this p this thing has been stop now for quite a long time yeah it n it took a long time to decide what kind of material now we have it it is something that is a pretty good idea we see that other people are working et cetera we are going to lose it some way if if we do not put some and very honestly yeah yeah that that is that is so that is one of the issue i mean that maybe do not know w whether you realize and we can ask help but of course if we have this in 2 years maybe okay it is good we have it but of course it is it is on the it is too long i mean in terms of in term of research i it is too late in terms of research it is too long i i it will it will not be in terms maybe even in terms of innovation i mean if you think about this which is you know what they said no i mean he was speaking about innovation this is probably one an innovation this is innovation yeah yeah and the the i know i am we we see quite well why is working on this right but in 2 years you know if we want to do if we want to build a c t i or transfer technology and something like this you know maybe you c of course okay people will say yeah but there is already something that people have started to put on the market and so on yeah yeah yeah so it maybe not the it is it is too late to to do it so i think this is really so this is one of the points respect to research of course it is i think it is going to appear more more and more and you know in a sense i never tried for example eventually to ask for one person dedicated to this because i always had the feeling that you are very interested you wanted to do it it is something you some way you i mean it seems to be something that is interesting to you but if you have not the time and the possibility to do it because you you both are involved in many other things we can eventually try to ask to have one person to involve one person that will be dedicated strictly to this we can try i mean we can ask in the sense that if it is a priority for idiap so far we would get very good signals from that point of view yeah i i do not know but please if you think you do not have the time or the energy to do it or it involves too many things that you cannot keep under control given the other things you have to do do not think that okay something nice we we can wait or sooner or later it will happen no no no no we understand that you we cannot wait we were here one year ago i do not know yeah and also when it is was going the idea was appearing and exactly so i think it is the moment for you to really realize try to to have a realistic date and if you think there are too many things that you risk to lose control tell it now and we can try to say well we want to do it but basically mael and olivier were the person okay personally i want to be involve in that project a acquisi some no no but but you can be involve in a different way i mean you can eventually have a supervision role in the sense that you think that i i know how to do it i like to do it but i have no time because at a certain point it is a matter of time we can try to to ask but please just do not keep this as a kind of thing yeah i like to do it i like it it is nice et cetera yeah yeah yeah yeah because when when you say here now no i am not going to start to working on this before january for me this surprises me to some extent you know i am i thought i mean you would you would be working on this yeah so if you say okay now it is yeah yeah but at the same time i have some other project i i want to finish those project 1st yeah bu but but here you have to take a responsibility you can not say i like to do it and but then ah but i will do it when i can no oui no i mean the point is that olivier will r you have i mean s since one year you have always been saying that you want to be involved in this and so on so it seems that it has never been a priority so that that is that is the point exactly so if you have no time to put priority at some points and this seems to have been the case during one year on this project i mean you need to say it now i mean that is the point now but for example i have i receive some new project i said that i have no time yet i say i have no time gi now currently i i say some for some project you say that you do not have time yeah yeah yeah okay this is yeah but people will stay will continue to say no no you will find time just to do that project no no okay so now is your responsibility to say i cannot find time the so this is franck if you can not find time you have to say it now and this is also for you at least say this to us and we will see with franck i mean i it is not an accusation we we are all in the same condition and again i mean this is a question so now you are saying you have no time so now you say to us so now we understand and we are maybe after when we if we discuss with franck franck crittin or frank formaz and we will see okay and go and try to see okay apparently he has no time to to work on this so we think it is important and we would like to to do something so what kind of solution as alexandre mentions i do we need to take somebody exactly do we want to do we need to take some intern to work on this and so on and so on do we take to have somebody for contract even if it is not an intern but take somebody for 6 months to work on this i mean but so this a point i mean y i do not know about the other projects you have to do i do not know with who you are discussing about the time you are you can s s spend on each of the project but if y because now you are just telling us you have no time indeed to work on this right yeah okay so so okay s s currently but up to december i do not have time to work on it yeah but i mean c it is yeah but but i plan already i i with i m 2 i i i did i mention that i will have from january 2006 i will have time for that with i m 2 i p one i have a 50% on on i m 2 that is it no i will work fully on that on this point from january 2006 i wi it is 50% no on i m 2 i p one okay maybe in 50% on that so let me pose the question very broadly do you think that we have a person that has this will help you we can ask we can try to ask maybe if some person for 6 months so that your role is simply to help and advise we can try to ask why this was yeah mo yeah w i do not want to talk too much maybe but with sebastien sorry this was maybe his concern and yeah bastien is busy with annotations plus all kind of things maybe we can in the process we can ask for i mean someone more maybe a good thing will be to make a plan to to we say we we will not set the deadline here to work on that well that is what i i was s we are here we split that part in different segments y that is what i was trying to do and i before coming here i just tried to to make a plan y i am sorry but you still do not answer to my my question but i do not answer yeah you are not answering my question w well the let us say april 06 and we do our best with trying to keep you inform with the advancements yeah yeah and if we see early that clearly there i let me pose again the question very clearly if i go to herve i can try and say we are in this situation apparently why do not we take one person 3 months 6 months 4 months that directly advised by olivier and and we can speed up and it should be someone with experience in c +plus m f c consider that it can be difficult of course to find them et cetera and so on yeah well i mean i mean you have people that are aware of m f c or a student do you think it is an option i mean i mean people i suppose at h u v there are some people where i was in le mans in the u b i mean there would be obviously some some students that would be aware of and that could be able to handle this at each yeah i think there are people yeah yeah the yeah i mean they are working with software and hard both our software and hardware do you think it is a reasonable option i am i am sure the s se do you think it is something that can help you because that is just a matter of responsibility for you guys to but there is nothing bad if you say you have other things to do because we are all full of work this is something that is added on the top if you do not have time you do not have time guys i mean this is but please just tell me we will find the time however so april 06 you will have your system or no we are not sure we do not really know it can happen that we do not we do not know what you are going to find on the way maybe we think it takes one week and then it takes one month w we do not know maybe we will s we wi will not able to be continuous because one of the wrongest thing is to work one week then one month no et cetera that is it is something that breaks i mean difficult huh so that is the point so that which does not mean you are excluded f from the thing in the sense that in any case someone will ask will have to advise the person eventually no no no and it can not be him it can not be me it can be you that basically follow advise helps but at least the mass of the work will be done by someone else that can spend a 100% of time on that now it is not even guaranteed in the sense that i can ask this i can say that well this is the situation and you are or eventually yeah someone can say okay now this become your priority forget about everything else and go with that i do not know or will tell you okay january 2006 but from january 2006 you do nothing else than this you know w we can find the time whether it is your time whether it is the time of someone else no but i really would like to stop with this because this has been for several months that you say we like we want and i am sure i believe you but then it is always something that must be done outside the normal activity no no no yeah yeah which is really bad yeah i i understand exactly i am i am sorry yeah yeah yeah yeah but but otherwise i mean as you say to do it in 2 years p no i understand yeah yeah yeah so what do you think what you like that i try to to to solve this problem and try to say that there is a time problem and you do not have the time to do it because so so olivier says it is not before january on his side so i am not sure about on your side whe what is your yeah well i would like to to to work on p kind of part time w 0 yeah like what one day a week something like this yeah and one full day a week and i would okay maybe you will not like my answer but i would say that we ch we we start but we h we really have to start on working wi reading all the code from darren then this card with the code i v c card and to to try this then we try a little bit direct show to see to to have an idea of how how long that could be and then at the moment we can say okay we need someone to help us okay but that can be yeah but i think yeah that will be good just to have a plan and to have some deadline in that plan but but and as soon as we we we as soon as we we we are not in time we we we con well w let us do that let us do that okay fo because because there are there are several issues i would say like if there would be a machine like this with the 2 cards separated as i mention i mean if we record le the flow of the video for instance and the snap shots from the slides to some extent there is some possibility of doing some automatic alignment without having a special you know synchron so this means that to some extent we could have a device which would not yet be fully synchronized and i do not know we have you know very well done code in terms of sending signals and so on but that might be sufficient because i mean it synchronize up to do not know 5 seconds yeah yeah yeah and you would say 5 seconds may seem a lot for audio and video but maybe f respect to slides and the rest is not is something that may be tolerable it can be tolerable yeah yeah so still we would be able to start doing some recordings and maybe doing even the automatic alignment or at least we would have an idea about exactly you know what are the problems in terms of alignments do do because it is not like with microphone arrays where you would need micro 2nd alignments of course yeah or even maybe with we want video where it may be one or 2 frames i do not know so this is really some somehow i mean the the the issue i mean i am sure that there are plenty of possibilities to do things it is a very good idea yeah and the goal would be that indeed we could start rec doing some of the recordings of the time so that indeed we would already we we would have something where we could start getting the data yeah and to improve the system like because after i mean even if it there we cannot put all the times in one week right i mean so and so i mean this is this is one of the issue as well yeah which is to have it so that we can play and we can make a nice demo and so on with the full thing and something so f the other part is to have a system which from which we can already record data and with some approximation and i have the feeling given the descriptions that you made yeah that to have such a system would not require a 6 months of work because basically their own code is there to some extent and the i v c is something quite standard from which we could ask i mean even we could even pay maybe pro some people from fribourg i do not know i mean to come here and to and to help us with the installation on a computer and and to to to get the so i have more the feeling that this is something that could be done almost in one month yeah yeah to again i am not speaking about the synchronization i mean as so without direct show you mean the frame grabbing signal and time alignment yep yeah i mean the 2 yeah yeah wi that would be done in like in common software that we have afterwards yeah and we yeah the for instance a simple question maybe you can are we sure that it can work on a single computer i do not know i do not know i mean is there any issues with respect to this okay th and this point is about testing and yeah i no so this is yeah okay let me so it does not require it it is more testing it does not require so for this we i mean if you put the 2 cards on the computer you put the 2 then you you basically you say play on the both sides and you look whether at the end you have a recorded signals which is is is the time that it should be and or whether i mean the fact that whenever i mean the slides is doing some processing it there is some and there is some frame drops or things like this yeah yeah so you could say okay let us for christmas let us try this without the all the synchronization so this is with direct show issue okay 0 yeah you are you cannot or 0 l by doing 11 day a week you know just i think the cards yeah that seems to me clear until january is is busy yeah if i if i say until january this is just to finish so i want to have the deadline at end of december to finish all my project i want to finish all these project when everything is finished okay ah so yeah just to go to a conclusion because apparently yeah after that i can move to another one but i do not want to so it can not work yeah exactly anyway the recording is finished i think yeah can not work until january yeah no no so i try my best until january so it is up to you it is up to you to evaluate yeah and and i try to do what jean marc described to give you a 1st feedback on the different cards and and from there it would m yeah and then we d make a decision in the sense whether you continue working or we try to find the time in a different way or we try to eliminate your other priorities you are under yeah yeah i am i am wondering whether still we could ask for to get an intern for this yep i i do not know regarding h e v s i mean i do not know if this is still in time but you can have you can ask for a student a d a diploma work yeah this is still even even the non diploma work i mean the things we could ask but i would yeah i think that is that is a different problem the problem is really up to you guys whether you think it is good to have one person yeah try to have that because i cannot say we have tried to have i would say let us let us yeah let us try to have one students to help us on that yeah i do not know that is very well we have to choose whether the students it is too it would be stupid well you w exactly it wi but better no person than a bad person anyway yeah that is that is the issue but the the student should have knowledge about m f c with 0 okay yeah well but yeah yeah yeah yeah okay okay does not mean that we d we have to to stop talking yet i think it is but the recording has finished" ]

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[ "we have the a tour of control so i think we organized this meeting just to discuss i do not have my presentation to discuss the project that is on leonevo and jean marc proposed about capturing audio video and slides in a synchronized way and so we will start with an introduction i think olivier prepared some slides about reviewing current systems and then even if we do not have many things to talk about just to start discussing about clearly the project and also dealing with our kind of timing constraints okay and they are on the tape the usb card does not work and you did not put on the no no maybe you can access to the network if it is on your age or it is on your d machine my d machine so maybe we will be able to just going what keep going so so yeah we had like 5 slides presenting different systems and maybe we can do that at the whiteboard it is a bit stupid but i think you remember well the different parts and i am sure we can do that at the whiteboard i will do something like that yeah it would be great to use the whiteboard okay so like just to review the different project regarding acquisition system so basically there are 5 systems the 1st one is called smac ideco which is developed by fribour and cern the 2nd one is your system i would like to say the cheap meeting room system the 3rd one yeah maybe i can share that so the the 1st one is a smac the smac yeah should i write yeah maybe okay just a review of current yeah sure that is interesting the 1st one is i will call that a smack which is developed by freibour and cern the 2nd one b which is alessandro i would like to say cheap meeting room or i do not know it is okay cheap meeting room well cheap meeting room is the you know but for the moment for the moment it is just to understand each other so we know i thought it was called pass yeah yeah but pass it is a b a s okay p a s the 3rd one is the 3rd one is like a lassandra pas the 3rd one is called this is a the 3rd one is called this is a the smart meeting room developed at fribeau which is called the smart minute but diva nispa diva because the smart minute is all the process of capturing the minutes automatically but it is diva diva diva d i v a something like that the 3rd one is called the 3rd one is the project that i have to improve the current smart meeting room at ediap for that we will use type 3 yeah tape 3 okay let us call that free and the last one i would like just to mention just for the meeting this is the fire wire i do not know if you saw my presentation during my time you did you okay e which is fire wire so i will start just with the smack so maybe i draw a line here so the smack the smac project is a project which aims to do the acquisition of audio video and slide for presentation this project is done with freeburg and serb but i am just going to make a very short graphic in fact they use a card a video card which is called ivc yeah i just write ivc in fact this is a video card with 4 inputs on these 4 inputs you can have only video but they want to make also the slide acquisition so on one input they put a conversion box a converter which converts from slide to video so that means that we decrease the quality we have a high quality in slide and we go to low quality to lower quality with video and so this one is just for the smack now i will just move and the 3 others are the yeah these one are just for video and audio you can use them and this board does the dvx compression on the fly this is the box that we have on the table the car that we have on the table and i would like to add that this i think it is quite ambitious project because it is with the sun and they already worked on a european project called indico where they have released deliver a full kind of conference software software and to manage all the conference aspects we have in a conference automatically and i know that at fribour they installed already in a big amphitheater for students and i guess it is currently working and just in parentheses we did not choose that solution because they had no the slides were not captured very precise way that is the point otherwise it is fully automatic are you discussed with them did you discuss that is it fully automatic you do not know i do not know okay well i suppose they can capture things right i do not see why you could not capture other videos i mean we work out like this but is it all synchronized and is it doing all what we want but without the slide precision i do not know let us be careful there is one important point the technical aspects of the way you acquire things should be driven by the kind of processing you want to have so in our case we need to have a good processing of slides that in our case it means to transcribe with an ocr and then make indexing indexing we need to have high resolution image i guess that is what you mean by precision yeah right so in a sense that is the point for us we need to have this sufficient resolution images of slides to do what we want to do so that is why i guess we do not follow that solution and we are sure that in that context of smac project with the freebrew working on document analysis there were not enough precision and enough resolution in the slides as far as i know so far they did similar works on meetings document centered meetings they always worked on manual transcriptions of documents so they never really took into account the possibility of actually performing processing on the document they talked about during the meeting or during in this case the talk the talk the conference the presentation as far as i know as far as they published i know the results they published so far so essentially they never took into account i mean they work at the high level which means basically we have the information coming from here and there and we create the techniques that allow to start from the text there and the things that are said and we find contacts i mean they make some kind of processing but as they do not work on the low level so low level it means basically okay i take the speech and extract a transcript i take the image of the document and i take the transcription they basically do not really care of this aspect as far as i understand as far as i know as far as i know i mean they do of course they can do of course slide detection which of course what i understood is also they try to recover the layout somehow i mean given the slides but in no case they are extracting the text from the slides so this in all the cases what i have seen in all the cases i have seen i mean they assume that at least they have like a pdf version of the document or whatever and basically they try to match what is displayed to the document so 1st they need to extract information from the document which is not does not seem to be so trivial at least for because they also working with maybe more complex documents with images and text and so on maybe with slides it is it is easier to extracts the information i assume it is easier indeed but they assume basically that they have this document which is something somehow we would like to relax because people are like in an affiliate you may not want each time to ask the person maybe the person has a point not a pdf version or maybe is using excel to do a demonstration or something like this and we want let us say that it makes less automatic in the sense that at the point you need someone giving the file and putting the file uploading somewhere etc and it is a different kind of processing someone is always driven by what you are able to do they work a lot on layout analysis i know they match the layout into xml files etc so it is a different way of approaching the problem which means a different way of capturing different exigencies in capturing the documents but most you would say most most of the points for us i mean would be valid i mean slide transition we would use slide you need to do slide transition to some extent we would like to extract some elements of the layout to this thing to have a more higher analysis but we would like to do this more automatically and in particular for the text recognition to do to be able to do retrieval of slides or points i mean of parts of presentation we would like not to have to rely yet to the 1st pdf version or any version of the documents okay so the solution to that is low quality is solved by u project the pass project make a tick here and i clean up this is just to to solve that problem regarding the slide and the slide resolution so we remove that part and we call that the pass and in that case we use a frame grabber here and we go with the slide here and of course these 2 chords will be on the same machine and we have to develop a solution here the main critical point is here the synchronization between these 2 these 2 chords with that this is the car that we use in the smart meeting room and this is the car the so you have bought this card right i mean you see this one no no this one is this one the video call and this one this is the card that we have already at edir for the yeah but i mean this one is the ivc it is the same as you have in the picture so what i want to say is on this card there are 4 inputs right yeah okay yeah so well yeah i was thinking to some extent nothing would would prevent us from also acquiring the slide but really the slide stream from from this card indeed right or okay yeah yeah yeah so we can have both we can have the slide from the slide capture and we can just use a video signal to to capture that also okay to have to you want to do you want to have 2 quality high quality and well i mean just because we cannot we can something we cannot do with it seems for with a high quality capture device is to have a stream i mean the stream right the full stream yeah we can just take some snapshots we can take snapshots so basically it may be interesting to have still the slight stream so that for instance if we detect there is any videos that is displayed or so on to some extent we could just cut these videos to keep it and to be able to replay it later on and so on and maybe indeed if for instance the slide stream on the on the right is automatically synchronized with the other parts of the video it may be easier to to synchronize directly by some some matching process the slides the high quality images we have here with this one yeah you will not yeah so you would yeah you can link like something like that yeah exactly yeah yeah so at least this is not at the electronic level but you would say at the content from the content level doing an alignment from the slides stream and from the snapshots we would have on the other side with something that might be possible of course if we have some constraints given by the electronic i mean that is better because of course 1st the process is going to be easier and it might be just a few seconds that we have to align on the other parts but i think i could see i could imagine that this could be a reasonable process to do yeah yeah especially because this would solve some of the issues regarding i mean the possibility of displaying videos after from what we record definitely okay so i was just talking about the past project maybe i would like just now to talk about the diva project so i clean up yeah i do not know yeah did you read something regarding the diva project well this is more or less what we just discussed right in fact yeah we just remember that here we still have only one machine to do the slide video and audio acquisition in the diva it was something different in fact we have a master machine let us we have a master machine here and we have some slaves machine here we have some we have some connections and here we have some inputs we have audio usually we have audio and and the same for this one for this one and basically on the slave machine we have 2 cards one for audio and one for video so they develop something to synchronize these 2 cards together and this is something which is a product which is called a direct show which allows you to synchronize these 2 cards together but of course you want these 2 streams to be synchronized but you want these 2 streams to be synchronized but you want also these 2 streams to be synchronized so they have a synchronization between 2 slaves which is done by the master here we just use the ethernet network to synchronize these 2 devices i just write internet something like that and they do only audio and video they do not do any slide any slide slide acquisition yeah okay so it was for the diva i would like just to talk now regarding the the fire free smart meeting room at adiap do you have any question tape free that tape free sorry tape free type free smart meeting room so for that all right so like the diva project is a tape free yes yeah it is a tape free but also video are the acquisition is done in raw video so the file is huge and they really need a they have a long processing to convert raw file to dvx or to r files okay but this can be done automatically right yeah but it takes time it is just just mention that so i will write and that is what you they use more less in tno so they did not have tapes but with different cards yeah yeah yeah yeah they had something okay okay so maybe 1st i will just describe the smart meeting room that we have at hedip in fact we have also a master slave architecture i clean a little bit we have the master pc which takes care about the audio i clean that and we have the slave pc which takes care about the whiteboard and the slides now if we look at the video if we look at the video in fact maybe 1st i should mention that between the master and the slave we have a synchronization signal which is called time which is called midi time code i just write midi and for the video we have the video input here we reuse the midi signal with to insert the time code on each frame and we save that to dv recorder video okay we know the problem of that that this is that after each meeting somebody has to take care about the dv tapes and to convert them into dvx so my idea is to do something like that is to develop a video slave machine may i say something like that a video slave machine which use the midi which use also the midi time code no sorry sorry i am doing something more we have the video here we just have the time code insertor so we take that signal here and we move to this machine here which is in fact just the ibc see video card this is just an acquisition call and we convert file directly to dvx and so we will have here video and also because we want to control that machine we use also the midi time code the midi time code to start and to stop the machine this is just something like that this just to remove the dv recordings but yeah just this just an improvement of the smart meeting okay do you have any question regarding that yeah so currently because there is a time code video time code you do not care about the frame dropping i mean because anyway in each frame in the video signal it is encoded time right yeah we do not have to care about the synchronization in that case because the time code is inserted here and we take after the time code insertion we take the video signal and we pass through the machine so this is a simple solution but where we do not have to care about the synchronization because the synchronization problem comes from the the grabbing from the dv tape yeah the synchronization is in divix so it is afterwards well but you do not i mean at this point you do not really care because i mean in the signal you can extract the time i mean the time stamp is in the signal so if you drop some frame which happens sometimes when you do compression or acquisition you will automatically find this in the signal right i mean it is encoded in the image so you can do it yeah otherwise if there is some frame dropping you have to rely on the number of frames you are counting more than i suppose to it is impossible yeah so you have some problems okay okay so the last one is the fire wire acquisition i just which was more or less tno problem okay with respect to frame dropping right they did not have too much frame dropping the problem is it was not synchronized so the time code was wrong for the different videos they had the beginning of the video you if you saw the time code it was 6 hours 50 minutes and there 4 hours 32 minutes so it was a problem with the time well i think if it was not a problem a frame dropping the alignment would have been quite easy to do well that is what they did manually after afterwards but they did not have too much frame drops in fact no really yeah i am sure because it was not such a difficult process and well it is manual to synchronize at the yeah but if it is only to find one offset you have to find some examples but i had the feeling that they had also some frame dropping that was no no because we did the software here and they do not okay okay okay that is fine okay in fact the major problem regarding acquisition system is always the synchronization and for that fire wire is good i mean fire wire was a project now the project is standby we do not move to that project but i am just going to talk about this one so with acquisition systems the major problem is the synchronization and fire wire gives you some way to be synchronized in fact i just want to describe here the bus this is the bus where you can send some package any device which wants to send a package packet sorry should ask there is a manager of that bus this just on the bus any device which wants to send a packet has to to require some bandwidth on the bus on the bus and so after that he will have that bandwidth and he will always have that bandwidth so we will always have that bandwidth and so we are sure that we will have a synchronized acquisition with firewire and so that means that and this is yeah sorry sorry no problem no problem yeah you have libraries etc to well all you are saying about asking asking about bandwidth etc it is when you use the system it is done by hardware yeah yeah so we do not have to code all communication and in fact yeah as i mentioned before we have a bus manager and the bus manager send just a flag to say now it is time to give me your data and all devices which have required some bandwidth will send the data so i am just just drawing something like that this is this kind of signal that the bus manager is sending and just after that bus just after that signal all device will send the data so we will have the data from a from b and from c and so on and after the next one we will have again the data from a b and c and so on and so on so with fire wire we are sure to have an acquisition system now the major problem with fire wire is that fire wire is just an kind of intelligent a smart pipe a synchronized pipe we can put what we want inside so we can put raw data or we can send dvx data or we can send also what i was presenting in my time presentation for the h 264 but in that case we need something a hardware here to encode raw data to a given former of course the idea is to reduce the bandwidth on the bus also and all data are sent to the master do you have any questions now basically we have all this kind of general view kind of general view about all these systems maybe we can take this opportunity to come back to our system because we have a long discussion and finally we decided for for one approach and maybe take the opportunity to look just a moment at what point we are and when we plan basically to get something done and working i can add to that list of project is something that chammarc and me we have found in the literature there is fx pal that is doing something very similar to what we do here basically a capture through the projector signal of the slides and for the moment they just plan to use the slides as a way to index the presentations but roughly is an idea that is very similar to our idea so well essentially now we have the material as far as i understood and it is up to you to tell us roughly when do you think we will have something working so we need well this will be done together to try to divide the time what do we do we do not want today to put deadlines you know but what we have what we can do and how we will be able to do i were thinking for instance in what we have because i do not know a lot about using like dll mfc microsoft software but i am very happy to go with that so what we have until now is the software that darren did for the frame grabbing and actually i can start playing and looking at this in detail so darwin software about from grabbing so mfc not mfc and dlr all the windows programming so this is one step step then the audio video card so 1st we need to look at this to look at the demos that are with what they call the sdk software development kit demos testing the card with only one audio for instance and then only one video and even testing with only the slides to capture all the what you were saying the video stream slides stream in fact the slide card and the video card are both sdk you mean the frame grabbing card yeah both are sdk they have sdk a software development kit that is based on mfc libraries yeah c libraries yeah this is for that i do not remember by how no okay so once you we have tested individually the card we can test to synchronize the audio and the video together usually audio and video should be synchronized okay because this is just an audio video channel so they are synchronized so we can play with the video we can play with the slide and after that the major point is to combine both okay and now yeah as you said what not now but the next point would be to use that card with the other card and to merge the slide signal with the well the synchronization signal coming from the from grabbing card it is not a synchronization signal it is a slide with a we do not have synchronization we have to find a solution and for that might be we can use a direct show which is a technique to synchronize different devices and is it external to this card it is external no this is just an application so it is external it is not in this no no no no it is not on the car there is just an application that runs on the machine and we do not have to buy that or well to at least the i think devercho you can download for free i am not sure i should check okay and that will will help us to synchronize help us to synchronize this drawing card and this video card yeah so yeah we need to do some test reading and yeah okay and then when we have okay where do we do that we do not know yet with frank if we installed this card maybe here i think the best thing to do is to have a machine just which is only dedicated to to that because if you if you use a machine which has been already used for something else sometimes you have plenty of libraries and so you do not know exactly maybe it would be better to have just a dedicated machine just for that careful because the i listen to frank and apparently do not want to buy a new machine just for we show that this works okay so we have to use material that is already available okay yeah but maybe there are already some machines you know maybe there is some free machine well my machine his machine or this machine okay so it is possible to use other machines yeah i mean just that you know if of course you do not want to have a of a library that may conflict with the one you are trying to use at the same time if you crash a machine i mean because you are doing some tests you may not want to have what is on your machine i mean yeah to be to be erased or what is whether so maybe there is a machine i do not know whether for this you need you know a very powerful machine and so on but maybe there is a possibility to use a current machine yeah yeah with some other machine yeah because we have drawn from the network because i think the video is done the video compression is done on the on that card and i am not 100% sure but i think the jeep the gpeg conversion for the slide capture is done also on the car so we do not need yeah but still i mean even if it is done on the car the basic thing you need to check is the bus right i mean the bus right ah yeah but i mean yeah i was just thinking about the speed of the computer could be lower yeah yeah yeah yeah so cpu itself may not be so important access so in terms of time what we can think when we can expect to see can we expect a christmas gift a christmas or early new year gift yeah that is a good question maybe a 1st solution will be just to start with because we need to start with something we have the slide capture from daran we have i will work on the video acquisition for the improve the tape free smart meeting room so i will start with that to develop some knowledge regarding that board that video board and after that we can combine both the way of course and i do not know exactly what the work involved i also it is not that i do not care but i do not understand i think the real point is when okay i said at the beginning of the meeting that we were not roughly i mean i do not say well no no no i do not want to put a deadline but given the current material we have given your activities because i know that you both are involved in many other things so it is something that you yeah as jean marc said it is christmas and so we are happy with a christmas gift or it is something that you say is christmas 2006 so i definitely just want to know something very rough and when you expect to finish this for instance i mean the test of looking at darren if we go point by point so looking at darren is code i mean so you said you would look at this right we would look both at this because we are also both quite busy with other projects of course that is the problem that is the problem do you think it is something for the very next month do you think it is something for the end of next year okay this is not for the end of next year it is too long yeah of course it is too long so half next year for myself i would like to say april may april may we should have results results what does it mean the end of this no no no i mean the ready to be used almost the complete application maybe some minor churn will appear for me what is important is when it is ready to be used when i can say i start collecting data data i start using i start playing with this basically the process is ready and we can start having our demo and also because there is a risk that we submitted a project maybe it will be rejected we do not know but potentially we are going to have a student supposed to work in this it will be no not before april 2006 anyway but you know some way we cannot have a student and make him wait one year before he has the material to work so my point is when reasonably yeah roughly i do not want to have any it is not at deadlines but when do you expect to have the system ready to work working because i mean i mean the ivc system i mean it is my feeling is that i mean people have expertise in this like in fribour yeah yeah yeah i do not think it should take a lot of time i mean just to look at this right i mean at least one month seems to be yeah it is a yeah but we start with the ibc we start with the data path the the slide frame grabber and after that is the question is how to synchronize to to make both car working together together so this seems to be the main problem as far as i understand so yeah let us see you for for checking darren is code etc we can expect until for one month or so then the ivc the people at freebuhr have ibc should go faster yeah okay so because anyway we see what you are working on right we have the ivc but using the signals that are coming i mean basically it is yeah i will i am not currently working on it i will start to work on january on that point so okay and then the direct show okay so currently you are not working on this no no i am not working okay i schedule to to rock on that so we can say we try to make something for april yeah but i have also make something you are using very vague expression of result well i want this to work in the just tell me when it is ready and if you think it is not before but must be reasonable i mean if you think it will be not before december 2006 say december 2006 so do not try to tell me march or april if you already know that it is unrealistic to say that it must be realistic if you say june 2006 we know it is june 2006 but i would like to say there is many unknown in that project i would like to say we can make a schedule of that project to just to track just to see if we track the timetable if we do not we ask for more people maybe hgv bs people to be slightly involved in that project to respect the date yeah there is no date to respect it is just to know i mean and if you can have early warnings in the sense that if you see that there is a major problem somewhere but it is just to know in the sense that really this thing has been stopped now for quite a long time yeah it took a long time to decide what kind of material now we have it is something that is a pretty good idea we see that other people are working etc we are going to lose it some way if yeah that is one of the issue i mean that and very honestly i do not know whether you realize this but of course if we have this in 2 years maybe okay it is good we have it but of course it is too long it is a lot in terms of research in terms of research in terms of innovation i mean if you think about this which is you know what they said i mean what was speaking about innovation this is probably one innovation and i know i am we see quite well why fxpal is working on this right but in 2 years you know if we want to do if we want to build a cti or transfer technology and something like this you know maybe of course okay people will say yeah but there is already something that people started to put on the market and so on so maybe not it is too late to do it so i think this is really so this is one of the points respect to research of course i think it is going to appear more and more in a sense i never tried for example eventually to ask for one person dedicated to this because i always had the feeling that you are very interested you wanted to do it it is something new some way you i mean it seems to be something that is interesting to you but if you have no time and the possibility because you both are involved in many other things we can eventually try to ask to have one person to involve one person that will be dedicated strictly to this we can try i mean we can ask in the sense that if it is a priority for idiops so far we got very good signals from that point of view i do not know but please if you think you do not have the time or the energy to do it or it involves too many things that you cannot keep under control given the other things you have to do do not think that okay something nice we can wait no no no we cannot wait we were here one year ago i do not know also when it was so i think it is the moment for you to really realize try to have a realistic date and if you think there are too many things the theory is to lose control tell it now and we can try to say well we want to do it but basically mael and olivier personally i want to be involved in that project but you can be involved in a different way i mean you can eventually have a supervision role in the sense that you think i know how to do it i like to do it but i have no time because at a certain point is a matter of time we can try to to ask but please just do not keep this as a kind of thing i like to do it i like it it is nice etc because when you say here now okay no i am not going to start working on this before january for me this surprises me to some extent you know i thought i mean you would be working on this so if you say yeah but at the same time i have some other project i want to finish those projects 1st but here you have to take a responsibility you can say i like to do it but then but i will do it when i can the point is that olivia i will you have i mean since one year you have always been saying that you want to be involved in this and so on so it seems that it has never been a priority so that is the point so if you have no time to put priority at some points and this seems to have been the case during one year on this project i mean you need to say it now but for example i received some new project i say that i have no time yet i say i have no time now currently i say for some project you say that you do not have time but people will stay will continue to say no no you will find time just to do that project okay so now is your responsibility to say i cannot find time if you can not find time you have to say it now this is also for you at least say this to us and we will see it is not an accusation we are all in the same condition this is a question so now you are saying you have no time so now you say it to us so now we understand and maybe after if we discuss with frank frank frank or frank for us and we will see okay and go and try to see okay apparently he has no time to work on this so we think it is important and we would like to do something so what kind of solution as alexandro mentions do we need to take somebody do we want to do we need to take some intern to work on this and so on and so on do we take to have somebody of a contract even if it is not an intern but take somebody for 6 months to work on this i mean but so this is a point i mean i do not know about the other projects you have to do i do not know with who you are discussing about the time you can spend on each of the project but if because now you are just telling us you have no time indeed to work on this right yeah okay so so currently but yeah but i mean to december i do not have time to rock on it but i plan already i with im 2 with im 2 i did i mentioned that i will have have from january 2006 i will have time for that i have a 50% on im 2 that is it no i will work fully on this point from january 2006 it is 50% on im 2 ip one okay i may be on 50% on that so let me post a question very brutally do you think that we have a person that does this we let you we can ask we can try to ask maybe have some person for 6 months so that your role is simply to help and advise well this was yeah i do not want to talk too much maybe but with sebastian so this was maybe his concern and yeah bastien is busy with annotations all kind of things maybe we can in the process we can ask for someone more maybe a good thing will be to make a plan we say we want the deadline here we are here we split that part in different segments that is what i was trying to do and before coming here i just tried to make a i am sorry but you still do not answer to my question you are not answering my question well let us say april 6 and we do our best with trying to keep you in form with the advancements and if we see early that clearly let me pose again the question very clearly if i go to irv i can try and say we are in this situation apparently why do not we take one person 3 months 6 months 4 months that directly advised by olivier and and it should be someone with experience in plus mfc consider that it can be difficult of course to find in etc do you think it is an option you have people that are aware of mfc i mean i suppose that hv at hv i think there are people where i was in le mans in the u p i mean there would be obviously some students that would be aware of and that could be able to handle this i mean they are working with software and out both are software and hardware do you think it is a reasonable option do you think is something that can help you because that is just a matter of responsibility for you guys to but there is nothing bad if you say you have other things to do because we are all full of work this is something that is added on the top if you do not have time you do not have time guys but please just tell me we will find the time however so april 6 you will have your system or no we are not sure we do not really know it can happen that we do not we do not know what we are going to find on the way maybe we think it takes one week and then it takes one month we do not know maybe we will not able to be continuous because one of the wrongest thing is to work one week then one month no etc it is something that breaks i mean it is difficult so that is the point which does not mean you are excluded from the thing in the sense that in the case someone will ask we have to advise the person eventually and it can not be him it can be me it can be you that basically follow advice help but at least the mass of the work will be done by someone else that can spend 100% of time on that now it is not even guaranteed in the sense that i can ask this i can say that this is the situation and you are or eventually yes someone can say okay now this become your priority forget about everything else and go with that i do not know or we will tell you okay january 2006 but from january 2006 you do not anything else than this we can find the time whether it is your time whether it is the time of someone else but i really would like to stop with this because this has been for several months that you say we like we want and i am sure i believe you but then it is always something that must be done outside the normal activity which is really bad i understand exactly yeah yeah yeah otherwise i mean as i say to do it in 2 years yeah yeah so what do you think you like that i try to solve this problem and try to say that there is a time problem and you do not have the time to do it because so so olivier says it is not before january on this side so i am not sure about on your side what i would like to do what i would like to do to work kind of part time like one day a week yeah yeah and one full day a week and i would okay maybe you want like my answer but i would say that we start but we really have to start and working with reading all the code from darwin and then this card with the code ivc card to try to to try this then we try a little bit direct show to see to have an idea of how long that could be and then at the moment we can say okay we need someone to help us okay that can be but i think that would be good just to have a plan and to have some deadline in that plan well as soon as we are not in time because there are several issues i would say like if there would be a machine like this with the 2 cards separated as i mentioned i mean if we record the flow of the video for instance and the snapshots from the slides to some extent there is some possibility of doing some automatic alignment without having a special you know synchron so this means that to some extent we could have a device which would yet be fully synchronized and i do not know with you know very well done code in terms of sending signals and so on but that might be sufficient because i mean it is synchronized up to you know 5 seconds and you would say 5 seconds might seem a lot for audio and video but maybe for respect to slides and the rest is something that might be terrible so still we would be able to start doing some recordings and maybe doing even the automatic alignment or at least we would have an idea about you know what are the problems in terms of alignments because it is not like with microphone arrays where you need microsecond alignments of course or even maybe without video where it might be one or 2 frames i do not know so this is really somehow i mean the issue i mean i am sure that there are plenty of possibilities to do things and the goal would be that indeed we could start doing some of the recordings of the time so that indeed we would already to improve the system we would have something where we could start getting the data because after i mean even if it is there we cannot put all the times in one week right i mean so yeah and so i mean this is one of the issue as well which is to have it so that we can play and we can make a nice demo and so on with the full thing and something so the other part is to have a system from which we can already record data and with some approximation and i have the feeling even the descriptions that you made that to have such a system would not require 6 months of work because basically darren codes is there to some extent and the ivc is something quite standard from which we could ask i mean even we could even pay maybe some people from fribour i do not know i mean to come here and to help us with the installation on a computer yeah and to get the so i have more the feeling that this is something that could be done almost in one month again i am not speaking about the synchronization so without direct show you mean the frame graphic signal and time alignment yeah yeah that would be done in common software that we have yeah for instance a simple question maybe can are we sure that it can work on a single computer i do not know i do not know okay and this point is about testing and so this is yeah okay so it does not require it is more testing it does not require so for this i mean if you put the 2 cards on the computer you put the 2 then you basically you say play on the both sides and you look whether at the end you have a record of signals which is the time that it should be and whether i mean the fact that whenever i mean the slides is doing some processing it is a record it is the time that it should have been and whether or whether i mean the fact that whenever i mean it is doing some processing it is it is the fact that it is the whatever it is doing some it is the fact it is the the slides is doing some processing there is some burden there is some frame drops so you could say okay let us for christmas let us try this without all the synchronization with direct show issue okay 0 yeah you cannot by doing one day a week you know just testing the cards it seems to me clear until january it is yeah if i say until january this is january this is just to finish i want to have the deadline at end of december to finish all my project i want to finish all this project when everything is finished after that i can move to another one but i do not want to so it can not work yeah exactly it can not work until january so i try my best it is up to you until january and i try to do what john mark described to give you a 1st feedback on the different cards and from there yeah and then we make a decision in the sense whether you continue working or we try to find the time in a different way or we try to eliminate your other priorities for your other i am wondering whether or still we could ask for to get an intern for this yeah i do not know regarding hvs tbs i do not know if this is still in time but you can have you can ask for a student a diploma work yeah this is still even even the non diploma work i mean i think that is that is a different problem it probably is really up to you guys whether you think is good to have one person try to have that because i can not say we have it try to have yeah let us try to have one students to help us on that that is very well we have to choose while the students it is stupid but the student should have knowledge about mfc better no person than a bad person anyway okay does not mean that we have to stop talking but the recording is finished just say a thing to the development that is the point of the time that we have for the development" ]

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[ "okay welcome everyone to our next meeting i am busy writing and busy leading the meeting but i have prepared a little presentation once again or at least an agenda i think the biggest part of the presentation will be on your side we are here at the conceptual design meeting which is hereby opened once again i will try to write some minutes which i just from the previous meeting placed inside our project folder which was quite some typing today we once again have 3 presentations if i am right and after that we will take a decision on the remote control concepts and just as the last time we have 40 minutes to accomplish that okay well i would say let us start with the 1st presentation kay in the same order as last time w sure okay alright well take it away okay welcome you all components design 1st of all i would like to accommodate some of those things i elaborate some of the things i did i i elaborated on the concept what should be said about the components its properties and what kind of materials should we use to to make one of those r remote controls well 1st of all i have d subtracted some of the components that is that are used are w w you know from what the remote control is formed 1st of all the case the case the surrounding of the of the the remote control i would like to give you an idea of how i thought about do not destroy my giraffe giraffe has gone now okay the case was is made from rubber i suppose there is one of the because when you use a remote control a lot of people will will drop their remote control and they break becau the titanium was also an option drop it but it is a very expensive material rubber is i think the best suitable material to use for our for our remote control it is poss it is also possible to create fancy colors with rubber rubber l makes it easy to to to it lets lets itself color titanium you have to paint it and with that it is possible to scratch it or yeah make it ugly rubber the total piece of rubber that is sor that is that is used to make the case is the same color so if you scratch it it is still the same color perhaps it is a little bit damaged but it is a very strong material i h i had an idea single covered curved sorry single curved so it is t 2 dimensional i think it is it is best to draw 0 green it is a color bright color fancy color new forward blank okay you have to go t let us make it black okay i thought of an idea like this 0 that delete blank okay so it also looks nice when it is on your table so you get it does not lay flat down on the table but it is c it is stands 0 it is a side view side view yes it is side view so i i am not technically good at th 3 d modeling but it is just an idea i had so it is it is very so its also looks nice when it is on the table the graphical user interface and the buttons we also thought about that already i thought about the l c d touch screen which is is easy to clean too one of the great advantages of the l c d screen you just use some or another cleaning cl some cleaning stuff and it should be made of strong plastic and it should be bright well i already s explained some properties of that material and i think well we also we almost concluded about that this should be our button component true so that is all about the buttons the batteries we also thought about that already will be chargeable with an option for a mount station so you can put the the remote control in a mount station so its charges itself up instead of plugging it in or something like that questions no no no no no no okay just looking and they should be long lasting not not be empty in about 2 minutes or 30 minutes or 40 minutes of use and next step is the chip th the component that is makes or transmits the signal to the television there was an option to use s a rather simple chip but i think because of our highly requiring requirements there should be an advanced chip in it with also the ability to facilitate speaker speech recognition which unfortunately is still in a test phase so there should be some more investigation on that side my personal preferences i also overheard in the last meeting that there shou we should use our own business colors that was correct was not it okay i think they are rather boring for for use with rubber well business colors i thought it was the the slogan and the corporate image so yeah it needs color okay they should be m sh they should be in mind was not it but i do not think you have to make the entire thing in the corporate color okay so it d it does not says to have the slogan it must be recognizable okay okay well that is possible of course we could make a little r and r on the top of the machine you can put the r and r so they are pretty boring i suggest because just the availability with rubber to make fantastic colors and also in a lot of possible colors so it is possible to make very fancy remote controls which peopl who people in which people will find they are interesting and will buy them faster when they look at the same old gray or black colors s as i said before rubber is is impossible to damage severely imp instead of of course you can break it when you you when you break it in s for example with a pair of scissors or something like that but i if you drop it it is not broken right away s instead of using plastic hard plastic or titanium and i personally liked the single curved remote control because it yeah it makes sense okay well that is all about my my findings alright okay thank you i will go next next alright so i thought a little bit about the interface how it should look and we determined that will not be no buttons but only an l c d screen so i had to look on that and the design is therefore based on what we just thought of 1st there are some new findings and new technology for speech recognition and this is that you you ask you give a question through through the device and it answers you and they already put this in an in a coffee maker and so that it you say good morning coffee maker and it says t says to you back good morning joe or what is your name this and there is an easy way to program that you say record into the device into the speaker and then you say the question and 3 seconds later you say the answer and then when you say the question it gives you the answer perhaps it is useful perhaps for because people lose the remote they can yell remote where are you and calls or something it is true and perhaps we could implement that and then i have to go out of the presentation because i tried to make some kind of a a idea of how it should look like but i can not draw 0 my god so do not make too much of it i tried to the l c d screen i tried to sort of to draw i thought at least the icon for the volume i do not know if there is an icon for the program but yeah not just a p p yeah just a p 0 okay so and then the buttons above and below the and the and the mute button also recognizable as an icon where is where is the button for 2 i forgot that one okay i thought i forgot something but and and the numbers that should be a bit larger i think it is not really on scale and and so forth ah does not matter an options button and i thought the the button for teletext apar apart because it is not really options i think it is options is the settings of the remote and of the t v and that kind of thing no yep so could call it settings or something but this is a bit how i thought it and the l c d somewhere on the remote perhaps we could be more curvy the remote perhaps should so that it is better in your hand or something 0 okay yeah but and and a microph microphone for the speech recognition if we want to implement that and then if you press the op options button now we have an example of and then you should get the other options with what what you could do and that you could do with something like this this 0 yeah and it is also i thought think we discussed earlier that older people do not really want to use these extra settings and older people a also do not really want to use this th this kind of option menus so they want to u use one button and then something happens and not choose with this kind of and you could put in a an a really s little scrolling device on the side of your remote so you could scroll scroll across these things okay that is an option and that was my finding dinge thanks yeah okay now our 3rd go danny go danny team member with his presentation okay i am going to tell you something about a trend watching the trends from the past years what the people like what the youngsters like what the elderly people liked about shapes colors material and stuff kay the method i used was like i told i watched the trends from the past years about colors shapes material they wanted from elderly and young people so we can keep that in mind for designing f the device itself findings i made the most important thing people liked last year was that the remote control should be look look fancy the 2nd important thing that w should be if inv in innov innovative okay like the l c d screen that is quite innovative so that should be great meeting for this and the 3rd thing is it should be easy to use i think with only one menu 4 button channel volume it should also be enough for easy to use the personal preferences for the young people they liked fruity colors like banana yellow strawberry red and stuff fruity grass green fruity yeah like that the round shapes and soft material m materials like the rubber it should be soft i it should feeling spongy or s sponge bob like things okay let us build it into a sponge th elderly people like au colors which y are being seen in autumn like woods dark brown red deep reds and stuff they liked square shapes with round edges and hard materials like wood titanium they those kind of materials they liked this is a bit like the young peoples like the fruity colors innovative all the colors you see the blue the red the white the yellow that stuff and then i th i i personally thought the front side of the shape should be something for the youngsters like like 0 y this or something it is it is a bit like a banana and the color should be yellow or something and for the elderly people just plain old because we decided to have 2 kind of remotes 2 designs or was it 2 colors it was one remote i think different colors different colors yeah we should decide whether it is going to be with round shapes i think like my colleague you said is that is e better or for the elderly people something like like the ipod or something with round squares simple but easy to use so that is it okay so for the older people a more traditional form that is my yeah like the older 0 older colors i can maybe you could you could change the colors that was also the idea i do not know which shape you should should take but yeah colors th the elderly people yeah i guess changing colors will be easier than changing yeah changing just the shape of the remote control the shape of it perhaps you could find something in the middle yeah s round corners but s but square yeah round but square yeah but maybe then both groups will not buy it yeah i i if you do it square with round corners but a little in the middle of it i do you know what i mean yeah i know what you mean kind of like a wait like like this a bit yeah so it is a bit square but it is also a bit round kinda like a beer glass so but then yeah i know what you mean same sides it is also easy to to have to to put in your hand but that is yeah but that is also how other remotes are shaped so that is but perhaps that is a good thing so that is easy to use yeah people know the will recognize that is as a remote control yeah when i saw your d 0 look something like that autumn colors like red brown they liked the wood a lot huh so maybe we could give it like wooden loo look look or something in that color yeah yeah yeah kinda like old cars and a bit bit old school style renaissance medieval kind of things yeah let us put it all together swords those kind of yeah those kind of things so you see the big difference between the young people fresh exciting yeah and the old people old and boring but that is easily to do with the color i think so sorry that is easy to do with the colors i think yeah i think it is it is easier to do in color than in shape yeah because otherwise we have to get different shapes and color way easier than yeah the shapes yeah we think so too in material yeah rubber rubber is like i said young people like more soft materials and spongy ones and the old people like plain wood yeah yeah so we have to decide if we are going to use real hard rubber or soft rubber yeah think also in between or something something between that soft rubber yeah soft rubber which you can you can feel in it yeah i know what you i do not think you should be able to mold it but or no or or wh what is something harder it should should not be no no no but but you have to like like like a a eraser or something that is the bit you can press it in or something harder yeah bit like this kind of rubber this yeah something like this yeah but it is quite hard this yeah it is quite hard but you can press it in yeah it is feels kind s spongy spongy something i do not think it is rubber no n n n so we need a spongy feeling did you have something about are you going to invite sponge bob maybe he can yeah so we should 1st decide about shape i think ding ding yeah i think that is the better thing to do which then you can fit the l c d screen in it and can decide i also s can not help but notice that you used an you had a remote control and the l c d screen was rather small yeah w i think that l c d screen should be like yeah it it is supposed to be bit s bit s bit yeah this was your size but i think it should be larger yeah 3 quarter of the of the yeah 3 quarters so so you do not have to put your 0 yeah the buttons will not get that small when the l c d screen is new blank so when you get this ooh kinda like this or should it be larger yeah larger i think larger because you want to put your hands you want but if you pu now you can put your hand there and then you will not touch the screen yeah becau because you have yeah perhaps that is best yeah okay true true true true your thumb here but not on the screen because yeah that is that is an idea yeah yeah looks a bit like a game boy now because when you put your f yeah but if yo if you make the the l c d screen as large as the remote control itself you will you will always get some you yeah you always touch it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah going to be very greasy and stuff but it will not get that small because you have how much 9101112131415 buttons on the screen yeah one to 0 the 2 digit yeah you do not want it too small how yeah how large you have to you have to because some fat people with d thick fingers will press 3 buttons at same time yeah they have thick fingers but if you want to make it in international japanese people got rather small hands yeah true but yeah we have we have the zoom option right and we got these large zoom opt ah yeah of course yeah you can make it larger to to to with accompanying greater fields to push the button yeah yeah yeah and we will not include a a pen or something to point hey we we want to do it with our fingers right no yeah your fingers yeah yeah you do not want because if you lose the pen if you lose the pen you can not use yeah y you could include a pen use a pen you you c you can lose the pen yeah but i think people want to use a remote with with their fingers because th they are used to that and yeah the fingers yeah yeah 0 yeah if they think it is handy to use a pen yeah i think this this is a good size for the screen i do not know how how large the actual remote should be but a little bit like this or something and maybe we have to add a tissue to remove the grease from all the fingers huh yeah yeah you can do whatever any cloth yeah but that that can be with plain soft tissue yeah you can buy those at okay well maybe if i can interrupt you maybe i should should show some points on which we should take a decision sure so we can discuss these points those points energy question mark how how should we supply the thing with energy and how are we going to do it with separate docking station and then put in it chip on print and case those are points my coach advised me to discuss here but i hope you have ideas about them i think energy were batteries and then and yeah the docking station yeah so that is the the the 1st point maybe it is better to to include rechargeable batteries which you can recharge through the docking station we already decided that on the previous meeting w yeah yeah yeah so if the badg the batteries are dead yeah just like with the telephone i kinda like your then you can re you can change them yeah you got some some of those wireless mice yeah yeah yeah like those mouse computer mouse kinda like those kind of batteries yep but it should be th i think normal batteries not not like 2 or 2 yeah normal plain you no normal plain batteries you can buy at the supermarket or retail shop yeah yeah simple rechargeable batteries yeah yeah what was with the chip on print the chip on print you got to f yeah i think so chip on print with a with a simple a sim not a simple but a print plate we also discussed that did not we yeah but how did this how does that with a l c d screen you still have a print plate yeah yeah yeah you always have a print plate beg your pardon you always have a print plate right yeah sure of course yeah always so i dunno what w what we have to decide about that yeah well it is a good question it just was in there and i did not have any information about it but well chip on print i think what they mean with the regular rubber buttons that you got it is always clear for the remote control when you press a certain button but when you got a l c d screen with no with not the buttons are not always on the same place yeah okay but for example if you enlarge a button or if you got several options appearing on your screen the co ordinations are not always the same yeah when you got a regular button th the button of stand by is always on the same place and you got on the and on the yeah okay but the p print plate of l l c d screen is more advanced than a normal print plate yeah so that that is not of any discussion i think well you need some kind of c p u i guess i suppose so i do not i dunno i do not think that is it is a simple c p u but it does not yeah yeah okay but i d i i do not know if nor 0 s it is quite a simple l c d yeah because it has to b yeah it is quite a simple l c d screen i think they do not need that big of c p u yeah but it the the remote control has to know whether you are in a settings menu or just you just want to turn up the volume yeah okay true true true so it has to have some kind of a calculation unit or c p u to know in which state you are and which button you are pressing in at the right moment because we are projecting projecting the buttons on the l c d screen yeah and a touch screen makes it possible to to get the co ordination of your finger on the screen yeah and the case yeah we already discussed the case we wanted to make it from rubber and it is rubber yeah but but a hard rubber like this or softer rubber or yeah hard rubber i think that is the easy to ha to to yeah it bounces back from the floor where you throw it yeah yeah sure look we have different colors yeah yeah this in different colors so the shapes is something between the square shapes with round colo corners and a round shapes d no i do not think i think it is more round than square yeah it is a bit but i think it should be a bit longer perhaps so it meets i think it meets more the young people than the older people yeah yeah but that is what we want i think so too yeah that is our target it is our main target yeah yeah lower than 40 years i think it was well and how about my idea of making it with one single curve 0 yeah that that i think i thought that was a quite good so i yeah because it is a gadget and you want to show it off of course yeah yeah yeah you have a fancy design then right away yeah you can put it on your table with the l c d screen you do not have to put it get it in your hand so because it yeah you can put it next to you and then dive it in and yeah yeah that is a good idea it is a lot easier yeah yeah alright so so so you got did you write that down okay so and then got a single curved rubber f fancy colored remote control you can not you you can not 0 you c you can draw it on your paper and then load it on the yeah yeah you can it is pretty easy but yeah but i wrote it down and load it on the the user the server and what about the user interface there are also some some questions about the concepts i think you have some ideas on that yeah i had what i just i should again you you showed your drawing i miss a few buttons but well at least what we should also have on i just remembered a menu to go back through the 1st if if you touch options you can not go back to this right away now yeah you have to go back yeah this is not it better to have the sound and the general buttons horizontal i do not know with the -and the plus i think it is i think it is easier than i do not know i i thought it was easier to handle this way but i do not know what they think yeah sorry would you like the the buttons horizontal or v vertical for sound and channel depends on the screen th if you make the screen vertical it does not matter if you make it in a rectangle right well if we make it like this i think if you yeah i so it is it is it is it is put it like this square i think it is it is easier to have it something like 0 a button minus here plus over here a minus here plus over here 0 okay and on here yeah the other buttons and on here the top the options and then you have something like the p over here yeah but i think i wou and the sound i think that is a matter of what you are used to something i think i would put a +and a min here and then the p in the mid in the middle and the sound in the middle something like sh take your time -plus almost minus yeah but i think when you are holding it you could press the -and the +and with the other finger the -and the plus yeah i think you are going to s you are going to use it with one thumb yeah but i think yeah i do not know perhaps i have some examples w we will leave that to the usability engineering then i do not know who is the usability engineering that is me she is but i am going to look if i have got some examples cause perhaps you should choose what is most often used 0 the cause they can use that better yeah consistency yeah 0 i have that those s numbers i here is our here are or a good watch i do not really know b everybody is searching in his data yeah channel selection per hour 168 volume selection 4 times an hour yeah but but i mean if it is usually plus or min above each other or next to each other on a normal remote yeah so not how much n not how often it is used but w what is what is usual or normal yeah that depends on on on the remote yes i am looking here but here is it is below here also and now here is here is next to each other i think it is it is a i think because i have 2 televisions at home one is horizontal one is vertical so it depends yeah it does it does not really matter but yeah yeah depends i think the the the volume was usually above each other because you go higher and down yeah lower and the the pay the the the program is next to each other because you would go further and back true that is how it is is usually when i look here okay that is what i see let us cut to the chase it has got to change yeah well i think we have we do not have to decide about that now how where we will put the buttons just the i do not know yeah is it is user interface yeah concepts component this concept is in the actual design but you should know where you would place a okay well le yeah interface yeah and the speech shall we implement that or yeah well we just heard about the new technology huh yeah i think it is it is easy for that where are you but then it says i am here technologies yeah yeah makes it possible to but then you should also find a place you could if you do it like this you could put it in a corner or something yeah you can talk into the corner yeah a microphone yeah not even necessary because a lotta you can make a very sensitive microphone yeah so it makes it possible to just put it arou underneath it or on the on the bottom of the remote yeah yeah maybe at the bottom where you can can hel hold it with you hand that there is also a microphone but yeah that is also yeah right over there so in the middle or something but that is not import i think that is not im very important because yeah it does not matter where the microphone is yeah yeah but you should decide where you want to put it ah okay sure okay well tha right i think where it is not seen underneath the most indeed it should not be very visible inside you could p you could put it in a logo of the company yeah yeah yeah sure why no well maybe just in the the spot you just pointed out i i between the round of the r yeah yeah because i think it should be in a in an important position where people can see it because it is the the unique idea of our remote huh the the speech control yeah yeah okay so where do you want to put it well maybe where the one hand yeah but it does not makes it any more fancy because you get to see yeah actually it does because it you can you can find it better if you use it yeah yeah bu but it is a way for you to so it makes more sense just cause other remotes do not have that yeah okay but are we talking about the button or about the microphone about a microphone there is no button yeah because a microphone is very small thing but you can make it look like it is big so as its its really an important function of the remote yeah i think the left s under corner should be the best where is not i it is not most in sight yeah okay i think well put it there i do not mind that does not does not really matter no actually does not okay alright so any more so well type supplements interface type anything yeah well we already s discussed that huh the the l c d and the l c d yeah supplements well the supplement is to yeah yeah i think i thought the like you said like scroll next to the remote is not that handy yeah i think it is better to just up what you would like to do on the screen if you want to go back you have to back button go back yeah if you want to choose audio settings you press audio settings and it goes to that s sub menu hey yeah yeah the the young people do like scroll yeah use the scroll yeah yeah i think so too you do like it so why not on on side or at least yeah i do not know if it is really the scroll but the menu they like most and i think you can never get through a menu great with a scroll fast yeah yeah i think it is is faster so if you have got a settings if you becau i think the scroll is easier if you have a lot of options but if you do not have a lot of option then yes but you have it is f we have 5 or 4 or something you have a lot of options because when you use yeah you get w when you use the settings menu for example to look up some some channels on your on your television y you should scroll scroll down on a menu which probably does not fit on your screen huh yeah okay true yeah so then it is very handy to to scroll down you make just a rubber just like on your mouse or okay just put it on the side and it is very easy to use okay no problem and i think i would it would make even more fancy because you have another interesting thing on the side which you can touch and yeah yeah yeah it is also different yeah yeah okay okay well there is our 5 minutes warning any more questions about about the design or the user interface or different components everyone no colors are clear shape is clear material is clear everybody think they can can okay what is the standard color work for that and a standard yeah we do not no we have different color is there a standard color i i you got you got different colors but you should have a standard color how many colors are we going to you should you should have a black one because i think black is standard black yeah black i think is is the standard black with the with the yellow but if you want to be different then dark gray something like this this color or something just a regular remote color yeah like like yeah and then have different covers to use or or silver i think it is better to have silver nowadays silver yeah silver i think you see more silver than black yeah you see a lot of t silver televisions but still silver and black are well silver is new but also traditional so silver rubber yeah the the silver black are our main colors yeah i think we have silver black and between those is like i dunno s 5 colors between them or something yeah w what about a yellow thing i mean it yeah y i think it is better to yeah yeah yeah it will be a banana yellow we have could be ugly but it is definitely fancy r red but yeah yeah th yeah that is right green wood brown but if you use silver rubber s silver rubber is not fancy yeah true when you use titanium silver is fancy but when you use silver rubber it is not fancy yeah silver has to shine and rubber does not shine especially when it is made of soft rubber like this yeah you understand yeah i understand yeah i would think about colors like red yellow green blue just yeah 0 of course yeah the fruity colors and the autumn colors like red and brown dark red and brown fruity yeah just all kind of color fruity loops maroon yeah yeah okay okay so and and do we have to have a normal black one or who is pinging is it no you are pingin okay you ping i thought we okay so that wraps it up everybody knows what to do yeah well i wrote it down here well not what to do well i do not know what to do but i wrote it down here what to do not what to do look the next meeting is once again in 30 minutes okay here are the individual actions and especially notice that the industrial designer and the user interface designer are going to work together on a prototype drawing on a smart board ooh right s tough yeah and of course to all 4 of us specific instructions will be emailed by our personal coach we will be available but do we have to we will work together but do we have to stay here or do we well i i would say just wait for email and find out right yes i do not know okay thin i think we should work okay well that was what i had to say yeah i think final thoughts from anyone or no no we are finished okay well thank you very much yeah finished thank you very much so we have to keep talking english now" ]

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again or at least an agenda i think the biggest part of the presentation will be on your side we are here at the conceptual design meeting which is hereby opened once again i will try to write some minutes which i just from the previous meeting placed inside our project folder which was quite some typing today we once again have 3 presentations if i am right if i am right and after that we will take a decision on the remote control concepts and just as the last time we have 40 minutes to accomplish that okay well i would say let us start with the 1st presentation in the same order as last time okay 0 take it away bling bling okay welcome you all components design 1st of all i would like to accommodate some of those things i elaborate some of the things i did i elaborated on the concept what should be said about the components its properties and what kind of material we use to make one of those remote one of those remote controls 1st of all i have subtracted some of the components that are used from what the remote controls formed 1st of all the case the surrounding of the remote control i would like to give you an idea of how i thought about do not destroy the giraffe the giraffe is gone now okay the case is made the case is made from rubber i suppose it is one of the because when you use remote control a lot of people will drop their remote control and the brake because titanium was also an option but it is a very expensive material rubber is i think the best suitable material to use for our remote control it is also possible to create fancy colors with rubber rubber makes it easy to let itself color titanium you have to paint it and with that it is possible to scratch it or make it ugly the total piece of rubber that is used to make the case is the same color so if you scratch it it is still the same color perhaps it is a little bit damaged but it is a very strong material i had an idea it is single covered it is single curved so it is 2 dimensional i think it is best drawn green it is a color bright color fancy color new forward blank okay okay let us make it a black okay i thought of an idea like this and that blank okay so it also looks nice when it is on your table so you get it does not lay flat down on the table but it stands or side view side view yes it is side view so i am not technically good at 3 d modeling but it is just an idea i had so it is very so it also looks nice when it is on the table the graphical user interface and the buttons we also thought about that already i thought about the lcd touchscreen which is easy to clean too one of the great advantages of the lcd screens to just use some glass x or another cleaning cleaning stuff and it should be made of strong plastic and it should be bright well i already has explained some properties of that material and i think we also almost concluded about that this should be our button component so that is all about the buttons batteries we also thought about that already will be chargeable with an option for a mount station so you can put the remote control in a mount station so it is charges itself up instead of plugging it in or something like that questions any no no no no just looking and they should be long lasting not be empty in about 2 minutes or 30 minutes or 40 minutes of use and next step is the chip the component that is makes or transmits the signal to the television there was an option to use a rather simple chip but i think because of our highly requiring requirements there should be an advanced chip in it with also the ability to facilitate speech recognition which unfortunately is still in a test phase so there should be some more investigation on that side my personal preferences i also overheard in the last meeting that we should use our own business colors that was correct was not it okay i think they are rather boring for use with rubber well business colors i thought it was the slogan and the corporate image so yeah in the color okay they should be in mind was not it but i do not think you have to make the entire thing in the okay so it does not say to have the slogan it must be recognizable okay okay well that is possible of course you could make a little r r on the top of the machine so they are pretty boring i suggest because the availability with robert to make fantastic colors and also in a lot of possible colors so it is possible to make very fancy remote controls which people who people in which in which people will find their interesting and we will buy then faster when they look the same old gray or black colors as i said before rubber is impossible to damage severely instead of of course you can break it when you you break it for example with a pair of scissors or something like that but if you drop it it is not broken right away instead of using plastic hard plastic or titanium and i personally liked the single curved remote control because it makes it fancy okay well that is all about my findings okay thank you i am welcome next all right so i saw a little bit about the interface how it should look and we determined that there will be no buttons but only an lcd screen so i had to look on that and the design is therefore based on what we just thought of 1st there are some new findings and new technology for speech recognition and this is that you ask you give a question through the device and it answers you and they already put this in a coffee maker and so that you say good morning coffee maker and it says to you back good morning joe or what is your name this is an easy way to program that you say record into the device into the speaker and then you say the question and 3 seconds later you say the answer and then when you say the question it gives you the answer perhaps it is useful perhaps for because people lose the remote they can yell remote where are you and that is going to call for something and perhaps we could implement that and then i have to go out of the presentation because i tried to make some kind of idea of how to do like but i can draw so do not make too much of it i tried to the lcd screen i tried to draw i thought at least the icon for the volume i do not know if there is an icon for the program but no just p yeah just p so and then the buttons a button below the mute button also recognizable as an icon watch the button for 2 digits i forgot that one i thought i forgot something i forgot something and the numbers it should be a bit larger i think it is not really on scale and so forth an options button and i thought the button for the teletext apart because it is not really options i think options is the settings of the remote and of the tv and that kind of thing you could call it settings or something but this is a bit how i thought it and the lcd somewhere on the remote perhaps you could be more curvy the remote perhaps it is better in your hand or something and a microphone for the speech recognition if you want to implement that and then if you press the options button and we have an example of and then you should get the other options with what you could do and that you could do with with something like this this and it is also i think we discussed earlier that older people do not really want to use these extra settings and other people also do not really want to use this kind of option menus so they want to use one button and then something happens and not choose with this kind of and you could put a little scrolling device on the side of your remote so you can scroll across these things okay that is an option and that was my finding thing thanks yeah okay 3rd go danny go dan team member with this presentation okay i am going to tell you something about the trend watching the trends from the past years what people like what youngsters like what elderly people liked about shapes colors material and stuff the way that i used was like i told i watched the trends from the past years about colors shapes material they wanted from elderly and young people so we can keep that in mind for designing the device itself files i made the most important thing people liked last year was that the remote control should be look fancy the 2nd important thing that will be in enough innovative okay like the lcd screen that is quite innovative so that should be great meeting for this and the 3rd thing is it should be easy to use i think with only one menu for button channel volume it should also be enough for easy to use the personal preferences for the young people they liked fruity colors like banana yellow strawberry red and stuff grass green yeah like that the round shapes and soft materials like the rubber it should be soft it should be feeling spongy or some sponge bob like this let us build it into a sponge elderly people like colors which are being seen in the autumn like wood dark brown red deep red and stuff they liked square shapes with round edges and hard materials like wood titanium those kinds of materials they liked this is a bit like the young people is like the fruity colors innovative all the colors you see the blue the red the white yellow that stuff and then i i personally thought a front side of the shape should be something for the youngsters like like this or something it is a bit like banana and the color should be yellow or something and for the elderly people just plain old because we decided to have 2 kind of remotes to designs or was it 2 colors different colors yeah we should decide whether it is going to be with round shapes i think like my colleague you said is that is better or for the elderly people something like like the ipod or something with round squares simple but east diffuse so that is it that is my people are more traditional yeah like the older all the colors i can maybe you could change the colors that was also the heavy yeah which shape you should take colors the elderly people yeah i guess changing colors will be easier than change the shape of the other control perhaps you could find something in the middle yeah round but square round corners but square yeah maybe then both groups will not buy it yeah if you do it a square with round corners but a little in the middle a bit yeah what you mean kind of like a like this a bit yeah so it is a bit square but it is also a bit kind of like a beer glass so but then i know what you mean same side it is also easy to have you to put in your hand yeah but that is also how other remotes are shaped so that is yeah perhaps that is good thing so that is easy to use people know the we will recognize that as a remote control what i saw in your look something like that the autumn colors like red brown they like wood a lot so maybe we could give it like a wooden look or something kind of like old color and a bit old school style renaissance medieval kind of things so you see the big difference between the young people fresh exciting and old people that is easy to do with the color i think so sorry it is easier to do in color than in shape otherwise we have to get different shapes and colors are way easier than the shapes and the material yeah rubber rubber is like i said young people like more young people like more soft materials and spongy ones and the old people like plain wood yeah so we have to decide if we are going to use real hard rubber or soft rubber or something something between that also in between yeah soft rubber which you can feel in it i know i do not think you should be to mold it no or what should be like but you have to like like like like a erase or something that is a bit you can press it in or something harder a bit like this kind of rubber yeah something like this yeah this is quite hard yeah it is quite hard but you can press it in it feels kind of spongy spongy or something do not think it is rubber no no no so we need a spongy feeling if you have something we are going to invite spongebob maybe he can so we should 1st decide about shape i think yeah it is the better thing to do then you can fit the lcd screen in it 0 moses i also can not help but notice as you used you had a remote control but it had the lcd screen was rather small yeah i think the lcd screen should be like this is like your side but i think it should be larger yeah 3 quarter of the yeah 3 quarters so you do not have to put your yeah the buttons will not get that small when lcd is green is so when you get this like this and like this kind of like this or should it be larger larger i think larger because you want put your hand yeah because you can put your hands there and then you will not touch the screen yeah okay true true true your thumb here but not on the screen because yeah yeah it is an idea looks a good like a game boy now yeah but if you make the lcc screen as large as the remote control itself you will you always get some you always touch it yeah you are going to be very greasy and stuff but it will not get that small because you have how much 910101010 and you will you will you will you always get some 10 11 12 13 14 15 buttons on the screen 120 you do not want it too small how large you have to because some fat people with thick fingers do not press 3 buttons at the same time but if you want to make it an international japanese people get a rather small hands yeah true but we have the zoom option right the zoom option 0 of course yeah you can make it larger with accompanying a greater feel to push the button and we will not include a pen or something to point we want to do with your fingers right your fingers yeah you do not want to because you lose a pen if you lose a pen you can not use yeah but they think it is hand with the finger yeah i think this is a good size for the screen i do not know how large the actual remote should be but maybe we have to add a tissue to remove the grease from all that yeah but that is yeah that is is it whatever any soft tissue yeah you can buy those maybe if i can interrupt you maybe i should show some points on which we should take a decision sure so we can discuss these points there are those points energy question mark how should we supply the thing with energy and how are we going to do with a separate docking station and then put acus in it chip on print and case print and case those are points my coach advised me to discuss here but i hope you have ideas about them i think energy more batteries and then a docking station yeah yeah it is better to include rechargeable batteries yeah which you can recharge through the docking station yeah so if the bed your batteries are dead i kind of like you are change them and you get some some of those wireless mice computer mouse kind of like those kind of batteries but it should be i think normal batteries not like to no normal plane batteries you can buy the supermarket or re touchable batteries and what was with the chip on print the chip on print the chip on print yeah i think so i think so chip and print with a simple not a simple but we also discussed that did not we yeah well how does that work with lcd screen you still have a print plate you always have a print plate thank you pardon always have a print plate light yeah sure of course always so i do not know what we have to decide about that yeah well it is a good point a good question it was in there and i did not chip on print i think what they mean with the regular rubber buttons that you got it is always clear for the remote control when you press a certain button but when you got an lcd screen the buttons are not always on the same place for example if you enlarge a button or if you have got several options appearing on your screen the coordination are not always the same when you got a regular button the button of standby is always on the same place and you get on the print plate of lcd screen is more advanced than a normal print plate so that that is not of any discussion i think now you need some kind of cpu i guess i suppose so i do not know i do not think it is a simple cpu but yeah okay but i i do not know if nor us yeah because it has to yeah it is quite a simple lcd screen i think they do not need that big but the remote control has to know whether you are in a settings menu or you just want to turn up the volume yeah okay true true true so it has to have some kind of calculation unit of cpu to know in which state you are and which button you are pressing at the right moment because we are projecting the buttons on the lcd screen a touch screen makes it possible to get the coordination of your finger on screen in the case we already discussed the case we wanted to make it from rubber and a hard rubber like this or softer rubber a hard rubber i think it is easy to it bounces back from the floor when you we have different colors the shapes is something between the square shapes with round corners and the round shapes no i do not think i think it is more round than square yeah it is a bit so it meets i think it meets more the young people than the older people yeah but that is what we wanted huh yeah that is our target it is our main target yeah lower than 40 years i think and how about my idea of making it with one single curve 0 yeah that is i think i thought that was quite good because it is a gadget and you want to show it off of course yeah you have a fancy design right away you can put it on your table with lcd screen you do not have to get it in your head you can put it next to you and then type it in it is not easier yeah so so you write that down and you got a single curved rubber fancy colored fancy colored remote control you can not can 0 you can draw it on your paper and then load it on the and load it on the user the server about the user interface there are also some questions about the concepts i think you have some ideas yeah i have one i showed your drawing i should go again buttons at least you should also have a i just remembered a menu to go back through the 1st but if you touch options you can go back to this right away now is not it better to have the sound and the channel buttons horizontal i do not know with the -and the plus i think it is easier than i do not know i thought it was easier to handle this way but i do not know what they think sorry would you like the buttons horizontal or vertical or sound and trans on the screen if you make the screen vertical it does not matter if you make it in a rectangle if we make it like this so it is square i think it is easier to have it something like button minus here plus over here and minus here plus over here and minus here plus over here and on here other buttons and on here the top the options and then you have something like the p over here and the sound i think that is a matter of what you are used to i think i would put the +and the min here and then the p in the middle and the sound in the middle something like shit take your time 0 almost i think when you are holding it you could press the -and the +and with the other finger the -and the plus yeah i think you are going to use it with one thumb but i think yeah i do not know perhaps i have some examples i do not know we will leave that to the usability engineering who is the usability engineering sheet shee i am going to lose if i have got some examples examples because perhaps you should choose what is most often used yeah because they can use that better consistency yeah 0 that i have that those numbers here are you are a i do not really know everyone is searching in a data channel selection per hour 168 volume selection 4 times an hour but i mean if it is usually plus or mean above each other of next to each other on a normal remote not how often it is used but what does you do on the remote it is not looking here but here is below here also and here is next to each other i think it is i think because i have 2 televisions at home one is horizontal one is vertical so it depends it does not really matter but yeah depends i think the volume is usually above each other because you go higher and down and the program is next to each other because you go further and back true that is how it is usually when i look here okay let us go to the chase yeah well i think we do not have to decide about that now where we will put the button i do not know it is user interface yeah competent it is the concept it is in the actual design you should know where you move place yeah interface and the speech shall we implement that yeah well we just heard about the new yeah i think it is easy for that where are you then it says i am here makes it possible to but then you should also find a place you could if you do it like this you could put it in a corner or something you can talk into the corner a microphone yeah not even necessary because you can make a very sensitive microphone so it makes it possible to just put it around underneath it or on the bottom of the yeah maybe at the bottom where you can hold it with their hands and there is also a microphone over there so i think that is not very important because it does not matter where the microphone is but you should decide okay sure i think where it is not seen the most indeed it should not be inside it should be inside we put it in a logo of the company between the round of the r because i think it should be in an important position where people can see it because it is the unique unique idea of our remote the speech control where do you want to put it well maybe it does not make it any more fancy because you get to see actually it does because you can find it better if you use it yeah but it is a way for you to so it makes more fancies because other remotes do not have that yeah okay but are we talking about the button or about the microphone by the microphone there is no button a microphone is very small thing but you can make it look like it is big so it is really an important the function of the remote i think the left is under corner should be the best where is it it is not most inside okay i think put it there i do not mind that does not really matter no actually does not okay so any more so well type type supplement interface type yeah well we already discussed it the lcd yeah supplement i thought like you said like scroll next to the remote is not that handy i think it is better to just type what you would like to do on the screen if you want to go back you have a back button go back if you want to choose audio settings you press all your settings and it goes to that sub menu that is my name to do you yeah the young people do like the scroll do you like it yeah i think so too so why not on side or at least yeah i do not know if you really the scroll but the menu are not the data they like most and i think you can navigate through a menu great with the scroll yeah i think it is faster i think the scrolls easier if you have a lot of options yes but if you do not have a lot of options then you have a lot of options because when you use the settings menu for example to look up some to look up some channels on your television you should scroll down on a menu which probably does not fit on your screen yeah okay true so then it is very handy to scroll down you make just a rubber just like on your mouse or just put it on a side and it is very easy to use okay no problem and i think it would make even more fancy because you have another interesting thing on the side which you can touch it is also different so different yeah okay okay well there is our 5 minutes warning any more questions about the design or the user interface different components colors are clear shape is clear materials clear okay what is the standard color is there a standard color no we have different color how many colors are we go you have different colors but you should have a standard color i think black is standard black i think is the standard with a yellow dark color dark or something like this this color or something just a regular yeah like yeah and then have different covers i think it is better to have silver nowadays silver yeah i think you see more silver than black see a lot of silver television yeah the silver and black are new but also traditional yeah i think we have silver black and between those like i do not know 5 colors between them what about a yellow thing i mean yeah yeah it is better to it would be ugly but it is definitely fancy red yeah that is right but if you use silver silver rubber is not fancy true when you use titanium silver is fancy but when you use silver rubber it is fancy silver has to shine and rubber does not shine especially when it is made of soft rubber like this yeah you understand yeah i would think about colors like red yellow blue yeah of course the fruity colors and the autumn colors like red and brown now yeah dark red and brown maroon yeah okay okay and do we have to have a normal black one or what is it no yeah okay you pinging okay so that wraps it up everybody knows what to do well i do not know what to do i wrote it down here what to do the next meeting is once again in 30 minutes here are the individual actions and especially notice that the industrial interface designer are going to work together on a prototype darwin on a smart board and of course to all 4 of us specific instructions will be emailed by a personal coach we will work together but do we have to stay here or do we well i would say just wait for an email for an email and find out i do not know okay i think we should work okay well that was what i had to say final thoughts from anyone no no okay well thank you very much yeah finished thank you very much so we have to keep talking english now i just like to wait on things i will get you i will make a new one for you thank and i fish out bye okay i try to put the minutes in the project folder as soon as possible okay hopefully fast at this time okay good luck bye it is really right here i can there here for 5 this is a smart board so yeah" ]

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[ "okay 1st of all i will start with the costs because that is going to influence our design 0 no 0 if you do not know if you al already had a look or not did you do your questionnaire already no n i i already did it no it is not much it is just one question because we have a problem 0 if you look closely you can see yeah it wants i already took the liberty to make some suggestions at the moment we have 15 buttons one l c d screen one advanced chip on print we use a sensor that is for the speech we use kinetic energy and we wanted the buttons in a special color okay what is the 1st thing we should drop the special color of the buttons no that is that is for the trendy feel and look okay so yeah but everything is should we switch to a hand dynamo that is the still the same idea as the kinetic energy because you have to use it and do things no yeah b but yeah but young people like that so just do normal battery batteries batteries i think the battery option just a normal battery then yeah yeah it has to be 125 yeah or not 0 0 my goodness so you are going to redesign something 0 no okay so we are at 25 yeah do we keep the shape doubly curved or g do we go for single curved well i guess i we will have to go for single curve then i mean we have to drop on everything but we can keep it single curved with top view still curved but from the side it is it is flat and the screen screen is just well you just have to hold it like this then yeah so yeah how about sorry another option i saw was to drop the buttons one through 9 so you can not directly access a channel but instead use only the up and down arrows that is what i was thinking that would skip 9 buttons and €45 yeah alright yeah let us do it then a a yeah then we have left we but we do not have any basic options any more yeah we do and cause then they do not have to n they do not need special color as well f 8 they do not need special colors fine that is more like it yeah you were saying something that was exactly my point like let us drop all the buttons and just make one i mean we are going to use the l c d screen anyway yeah so we will just have to use it for everything yeah and then you can make an overview of channels in the screen and select a channel click yeah some more menu options yeah okay so maybe we can drop few more buttons but now let us look yeah we c could we only need the the the the the menu arrow arrow button thing everything you can do with with the menu so with the display yeah we need one integrated button for everything then yeah the joystick yeah kind of i was because yeah yeah scroll wheel push button integrated scroll wheel push button yeah if you if you go to if you go to our view like you if you are in the sound system there yeah and you want to adjust the treble for instance this is just an example yeah y y you want to see a bar on which you can adjust it from 0 to 10 for example but you want a sound preview of how it is going to sound right so you want to click on it activate it whe and when you move it hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound yeah yeah so you will you will need a a kind of a joystick button yeah or or the integrated scroll wheel push button yeah so that is kind of on your mouse and then you can click it adjust it click again and then you are out of it but you still but you then still need to have exactly well you can use the scroll wheel as well for maybe for the channels but you still yeah it is r yeah you still have to have some some button in the menu to go back so you do one inte you can do one integrated scroll wheel push button yeah and then just drop all the other buttons yeah well not all not s not sound i guess but but th the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push buttons no yeah it is one integrated button is 5 times the cost of a normal button yeah so we have to to make it s more it has to be so you could also drop j 3 more of these without losing much functionality yeah you just drop the okay and the back wh wh what what what is the what is the sample sensor sample speaker 0 that is for the speech speech recognition yeah could drop the speech recognition right s s drop speech recognition no but yeah that is possible we we d yeah it is it is expensive but we never considered the possibilities of speech recognition cause it can take the function of a lot of buttons buttons buttons that is not very easy to use yeah i no it can be disturbed by by noise and no yeah but lets just say that the speech recognition works stuff like that let let let me see what is more what is more popular i guess the the screen was more popular than than the speech recognition yeah i have to look on that let me see well no i was wrong there are more people who like speech recognition than an l c d screen yep okay because if you d lose the l c d screen we need a lot of yeah but if it but it it it is a it is a both a hypers we lose our whole concept so no we just we keep the l c d we need a lot of extra buttons no but well we yeah we keep the screen i mean it is it is about the same 81 to 91% 66 to 76 we we we have not really integrated this the speech into the system so we can might as well s drop that okay so we drop the speech and drop it yeah yeah yeah let us drop the speech okay s fo 4 less euros €16 so we still have €35 to lose we need to lose some buttons but y y yeah if you lose the the back the okay button v let us say we only have the 4 arrows and the menu button yeah yeah then you are and then and then use 0 and the power button we have also the the okay and the menu button does also does the okay function then yeah and then when you in the menu so that is one s so so you activate the menu if we do 2 integrated scroll wheel push buttons we can drop all the the push buttons yeah yeah with with one integrated button we can do the whole menu thing and yeah yeah with the other we can do the the channel the volume et cetera yeah that would save ¢2 compared to no no it is €3 no yeah no it is it is n yeah to this together is more expensive than oof it is almost the same as t keeping this yeah yeah yeah well okay and we can drop these 2 for example if you have f f 4 buttons channel up and down volume left right okay i have i think we have to keep that it is the volume and the power button and then and the power button so that is 5 that is the basic that is basic that that is what you need anyway and then for the menu you can have a button that activates menu or d or do we just integrate an an an scroll wheel with a push button and then if the moment you use the scroll wheel the the the menu gets activated and then you can scroll choose an option click on it it goes into an feature click on it again selects features scroll adjust it click again it is okay then you only need one button to move back or or under each option you set a you set an a screen thing what says back and you select that one click again and you go one step back and in that menu scroll click one step back so that then you need 5 buttons and one integrated scroll wheel push button yep but we can not drop 3 buttons which that is even okay th that is yeah that is one more expensive but i see that is yeah so that is not a good idea that is not an option because which buttons do we have now those 5 which i mentioned and then menu and then menu power yeah f of the 4 things 4 arrows yeah th power power which more yeah if you if you go to 8 i do not know how to yeah okay so 4 arrows yeah power i believe power th yeah that is 5 we have a back and a okay button yeah okay that is 7 and one to activate the menu yeah and the menu so okay that is 8 well we can not reduce that we we keep the display 0 well okay yeah and even if we drop 3 buttons from here we still have to make some adjustments around here so yeah yeah we need the chip for the for the l c display the l c d yeah let us make the let us make the case plastic yeah well we need the advanced instead of r then i rather make it wood because then also it is good in the market with the 45 plus people yeah yeah yeah but but that is not our market true but no that maybe not but maybe it is better than plastic anyway ah no hard plastic 0 plastic with a with a special color a woo wood wood wood color yeah plastic with special color yeah no but i i because we have to use the special color anyway that is an option yeah okay you forgot that yeah yep yeah yeah so let us go for the plastic so we do 11 s yeah yeah okay plastic and since it is not kinetic it does not have to flip around that much that is easy because plastic is free we still have problem of €2 yeah okay if we dropped no the buttons those are really needed yeah yeah we can not drop them yeah th th it is it is an advanced chip on print yeah do we really need that advanced chip for an l c d display you still need that you yeah so the other option would be to go for the the sample speaker and which can use a regular chip wh which is €6 in total s that does not matter 0 i rather keep i rather keep the display no i keep the re yeah well yeah yeah because we already designed for it so the only option is an hand dynamo so exactly 0 that yeah and something else yeah but the can not we f fit all the buttons in an intreg integrated scroll push button 0 no tha 0 that is one right cause that will save us one5 already and then if w and then integrated s yeah but that would make it not so easy to use no y you would rec i mean it is not that important easy to use but then you have th then we have to scroll through a lot of menus to be able to get where you want huh then you still need 2 additional buttons i believe and yeah for the volume yeah d at l yeah you can use those yeah at least one for power but the 0 yeah and power that is 3 buttons and this would cost 0 yeah it is just as expensive as what we have now but the integrated button yeah how many func functions can it have 3 up down okay yeah endlessly i mean it can be a power button as soon as it powered on okay you can go into you in you main menu you can choose flip channel you can choose sound options any options you you press it for like 3 seconds then then then you should do everything in the menu yeah on the screen maybe we should yeah okay it would save enough yeah you can choose this drop these then we have a half euro left cause we do not have money and w we want the screen yeah so we can maybe still use power button yeah but we would alright yeah i guess we have to it s it saves us €4 and it costs us 25 so let us see we we drop the price by one5 we will we will be on yeah you see but we still have 13 left 0 still yeah 0 then i miscalculated 0 yeah 13 so still half shit there goes the special co well that would make it less appealing drop the special color 0 no so that is no option kay what else uncurved no no it has to be curved we sure about the advanced chip we need for the display yeah yeah it says right here they made it very easy for us okay well yeah yeah we made it hard for ourselves with the display but it is a cool feature ah i do not think i can s persuade the management to say this is better for the market so you sell more than okay wh what we could do is drop the the special color and do the special color for the buttons yeah buttons that is 0 yeah since we only have one button yeah yeah but i mean what is meant by special color i just m i do not i think yeah it is i think it is gray regular just something else than than black or white i think s yeah alright gray and rubber but we definitely want the thing to be a special color though of plastic yeah yeah so i rather have an hand dynamo than than drop the color damn yeah and then yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you can still play with it then i guess i do not know yeah yeah but a hand dynamo costs a lot of energy to keep the screen working so i guess that is not an option the display well you only have to power it up when you want to use it yeah the yeah but if you have to power the for 10 minutes then the i do not know yeah no i do not think the current status of chips are pretty energy conserving no yeah yeah true yeah let us let us go for the hand dynamo then yeah hand dynamo do you want an extra button or or do we or do we do uncurved and flat instead of no no it has to be curved yeah it has to be curved and has to have that color yeah yeah just put a special special color of the buttons or something yeah and a screen yeah that is the most import yep instead of an additional power button yeah or spe special form yeah s what what is special f 0 yeah special form yeah maybe that is nicer it is for scroll yeah but we do not have any buttons without so do d make it a special color then we only have yeah but it is it is for the integrated button i think also or yeah ma make it a special color then yeah but yeah but it is just a scroll wheel which you can push down yeah okay yeah so okay make it a special color and then it look fancy yeah yep so woah we are within budget so yeah it is a miracle 0 just 0 ma make it 2 special colors but we only have one button let us let us save it yeah okay let us do it like this i mean because it does not lose our identity of the product as we yeah okay well kay this was old well we come back to the drawing board then huh yeah all your designs are pretty much yeah yeah back to work okay it is silly cause we we should have had this meeting before we start drawing did i save it yeah but that but that is the fun part of it yeah i i wanted to go but i was not allowed 0 yeah so okay alright i just forgot to save this just a minute yeah what is the next phase yeah this the last phase of course so the agenda by your humble p m 0 f frustrated 0 alright yeah okay well we 1st should have had a prototype presentation but well as you saw that had not made no sense because we had to drop it drop everything drop yeah yeah we went straight into finance yeah yeah it was more important so i just yeah for yeah yeah pushed up the agenda yeah evaluation criteria you have t produced something about that yeah that that is yeah i i sure did and it combines with product evaluation so you put it in the we all have to keep in mind what has changed now so what we have left on the because evaluation is based on the initial user requirements yeah alright let us make it big f 5 well we evaluate the design with a 7 point scale as following well the remote controls according criteria blah blah blah true or false and then on a scale of 7 points a scale as we all know it well the criteria are based on the user requirements the trends from the marketing research and the marketing strategy of the company itself well they are in a word document which i will open now alt up yeah i do not know it is open yet no and we all have to agree on a certain level what is this freaky 0 i do not know well the 1st point is the remote control matches the operating behavior of the young user so that means the operating behavior was using quite a lot of functions how do you think about that i think it does because the operating behavior of the young user was also defined in color and shape and the use of l c d right yeah of course we dropped a little bit of those yeah the us u it it it is it is mainly con mainly concentrating on a lot of functions in this question yeah so do you think well we have extended menus on the on the l c d screen yeah you can you can ma yeah you can make a lot of extended menus yep so that is true i mean the the possibilities are almost unlimited to to build in menus in the screen i no so on a scale from one to 7 what do you think 2 or 3 huh 2 or 3 2 or 3 something like that well we have to choose one 2 yeah so what do you say y we should fill this in now i agree on 2 yeah yeah okay i i say 2 personally but yeah yeah in the new design i s would say it is 3 yeah alright but now in original design i say 2 yeah well we have to evaluate i guess what we have now okay then i say 3 yeah you say 3 and you you said al also 3 yeah yeah 3 yeah okay well i say still 2 but it has to be 3 then hey you are marketing eh yeah i know so it is made bold but it is nah it is not very clear on the sc maybe other color yeah m maybe underline or give it a color that is better red yeah alright 0 it does not have to be bold anymore 0 yeah very true alright yeah yeah true one well the remote control has wha he types everything definitely one yeah it has to be the remote control has irrelevant or less used functions for example audio settings and screen settings it hides basic functions everything yeah you are not going to find them you do not use anything else well yeah so it it is a very true point i mean it hides all those function yeah yeah okay yeah yeah true but i mean they are hidden in the screen if you do not want to use them you do not s you s just scroll over them and you place them f i do not know where so that is very true i guess for our case the 2nd point yeah the next not so much so it shows the relevant and most used functions nope power button do we ha still have a power button check with the excel sheet well yeah the button is integrated huh yeah i think we are yeah it is it is integrated yeah we dropped it you j you just push it in for yeah just just push it in for th for 3 seconds or something and then yeah it is in 0 yeah it was integrateds yeah integrate it yeah e exactly just like a m mobile yeah i do not know just go scrolling and it will activate yeah it shows the relevant and most used functions yeah on the other on one side i would say yes and the other side i would say no so it is i do not know it shows the most used functions and they are relevant but can you change channels directly with with just one button yeah no you have to scroll through the menu before with the scroll butt yeah and then say channel and then yeah so it is it is not well we should b build it so that if you do not kind of push into the menu or something if when it is on yeah it is turned on you say you double click on the it automatically has the the program and the volume function yeah but as soon as you click it you go into the menu or some of you or you double click it yeah but but how do you change from volume to channel no because it has 4 arrows right no not anymore no no because he is now have a scroll wheel that you can push in 0 yeah yeah yeah i was thinking still about our integrated joystick like on the the mouse no we have n we have no buttons left so the joystick was not an option say yeah that is a bummer so so you hav so you you have to double click i mean yeah for i mean volume and 3 double click for the menu or something to get into menu yeah 0 no or hold it 10 seconds we will make it a morse code yeah yeah yeah alright but but ease of use was not very important may i remind you no no no so that is yeah but that that is not a question it should be trendy the remote control shows the relevant and most used functions well i think it is pretty much in the middle yeah 4 you have to search for them in in the in the s in the screen in the menu yeah im in the menu so yeah 7 so maybe it is more like a f a 5 yeah or yeah i would go for 5 or 6 yeah 5 yeah 5 or 6 5 okay 5 5 5 yep alright let us not diss our remote yeah it is the weirdest remote control i have ever seen 0 so yeah yep just one button well it is different yeah alright the the remote control makes use of technolog technological innovation like l c d screen and speech recognition but yep yeah well yeah but we dropped the speech recognition yeah it is still but it has at least one innovation yeah i say 2 we still have the fruit and vegetable print i say 2 then yeah yeah but that that is not that is not this question 0 that is the next fr 0 i mean the 0 never mind thi that is the other question i am a bit lost this one i think a 2 2 2 yeah no i think l c d is more useful than speech what yep yeah definitely 0 not the bold one it is way more practical yeah right okay it has a fancy look and feel by using fruit and vegetable prints primary colors and sponge like material it should have been 2 questions yeah i realize now because sponge like material is dropped but the look and feel you still have rubber d or no yeah so we still we still have the primary colors no you got a plastic yeah yeah but only on the on the outside not on the button yeah the button has also color yeah yeah yeah okay the one button we have yeah yeah yeah still we we dropped also on the the double curve the one yeah you could check with the excel sheet yeah you only have one yeah yeah we have single curve now and no and no material and and color yeah s so maybe in the middle or something 4 yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean it is yeah or 3 worth the yeah we have something actually we d we did not do so well on this one because it is basically an old one with little curve on the side and in a different color still it is still hard yeah i mean the sponge like and the 3 d shape that would give it something young and fresh new yeah yeah but then we would have to drop the screen red 0 red yeah you like both yeah i like bold the remote control displays the corporate logo 0 yeah yeah yeah of course i just could not just one minute yeah you just have to draw it yeah but it be because we could not hardly draw on the b s on the lower half of the screen it is the white part we could not make it big enough to actually draw in the yeah yeah so i mean i wanted to put digits on the buttons as well we have a we have a so but but there is enough space for the corporate logo i mean if there is only one thing hell yeah if we have only one button yeah so i will say that is very true and even the shape we have now simulates kind of an r and the reversed r does not it yeah the remote control is easy to use so well i would say skill i would say 6 or something no i do not think it is easy to use or not so the only e the only thing easy about it is that you do not have to move your fingers ah i yeah cause it has only one button and that you only have to control one button yeah yeah exactly it it it has a nice screen but yeah it gives visual feedback so yeah well i i would say a 5 or a 6 i would say 6 i think a 5 5 what do you say easy to use it is really not easy to use 5 or a 6 cause you are putting everything no not anymore so a 6 more yeah yeah i would go for the 6 too okay yeah so most votes count well another question the remote control is durable yeah that looks great i do not know if that is the correct word yeah definitely in casing cause we have a hard plastic yeah but nah in use both battery as casing yeah yeah because the the batteries those thingies last forever true true and the the casing hard plastic also lasts forever and the casing is plastic yep yeah yeah if you do not drop it too much it is should last pretty long so i would go for one yeah but i think rubber compared is better yeah s so i think a 2 is more appropriate yep okay yeah than wow yeah logo yeah okay i will go go for 2 the last one the remote control is a good example for company is motto we put the fashion in electronics 0 no m no we put the electronics into the fashion yeah well yeah i would g i would go for 4 turn around yeah but yeah no because we kind of tried to but we kind of failed with the budget that we have it is not yeah true yeah okay so a 4 it is it g it g goes it is not the best we could do i guess yeah but it all has to do with the budget because it is it is not the bad idea we had so yeah yeah yeah yeah 4 is okay alright yeah right so so if i understood it right we have to count these numbers that is it ooh and yeah what yeah 0 yeah 0 alright word document the yeah we have to count them yeah that count them add them or yeah just add them and then divide them could somebody start calculator yeah i all made it po i i all made it i all made it possible for a positive questions so we can count it ah we can do the math i mean if you have reversed question you have to reverse the scale yes yeah yeah you have to kay yeah so 4 and did you make this questionnaire or what yeah thanks nice work okay 0 3 plus i would not be able to do it that fast 01 +one +5 +5 0 easy bo question number 4 yeah 2 yeah f 4 0 wait a 2nd 0 it is it has gone wrong how hard is it okay it is your turn yeah just use 0 there tho there is no n there is no num pads pretty difficult start over no it is if you press twice on the plus button then you get s s you can 0 yeah no that is why it is it is a it is a bit just type in the digits they are all one digit numbers right and then you can count them together yeah i think you can just count them by a let us move over just count it to yeah okay 3 +14 349 9 yeah are you here 11 11 1115 15 15 16 16 16 yeah 17 17 no 16 16 +6 0 what 22 s how hard is this 22 22 yeah never mind 24 tw 24 26 28 0 sorry 2028 0 my that was the last one that was that 28 yeah okay 28 so divided by 9 twen okay by 9 that is 3 or le less than a 3 so yeah the lower the the lower the score the better right yeah yeah 28 yeah but divided by 9 di divided by 9 makes 31111111 so thr t 2 so we are better than average but yeah i are you sure we this number actually tells us somethings no i do not think so because some questions are related to positive issues and some to negative some questions are yeah so if you give a true to a positive it actually means that the low the lower the better but if you give true to a negative question yeah but there are no negative questions i guess no good example durable use durable that is good easy to use easy to use this is good fancy look and feel that is good yeah technology innovation was good because of a marketing requirement also good re relevant most used function yeah okay i guess you did do it and hides these functions that was also a good thing 0 yeah yeah 0 yeah yeah and then matches the opera of the user was also a good thing no yeah okay so it were all positive questions by by purpose okay yeah true so yes so the it tells us something yes becau but the picture would be a lot different if we did not have to drop those those things i guess 0 great things yeah yeah definitely definitely okay because now it is just an average it is remote yeah nah it it is it is better than average but yeah okay because of the l c d screen but it looks and stuff it still it is not it is not really eye catching except for the color yeah so th it is still yeah yeah has some shortcomings no the color and the screen yeah okay so this we had this we had product evaluation we have to do a product evaluation prototype presentation we dropped so the finance we looked we have redesigned not on that but yeah we we have to maybe if we have to redesign it on this okay it is your turn now so you can just make one big l c d screen shall we try with some casing around it yeah black okay we are still going to go for the fancy colors yeah yeah yeah but are we going to stick with the green or are we going to do blue yeah we we can just use this one and then over paint it with the green he only needs one button the the button has a special color the frame has a special color yeah one scroll button and it is plastic yeah or we have to delete this one or and single curved yeah 0 and you might want to add a infrared led 00 no 0 yeah otherwise it does not function so well for what okay yeah so that is do we have to do other things well i have to make an report of every decision we made so far or just redesign alright and i try to get chip just before i receive the excel sheet yeah so i so you made a start right yeah i am i am somewhere but maybe you can help me should give it some time yeah yay okay but how do we make the the scroll button i was here so it is just one yeah have to take this away also alright ah and this that is the infrared thing 0 yeah of course the the target group has a weak spot for fruit and vegetables like primary colors spongy shape yeah pen yeah format current color red the playfulness we decided to use kinetic energy as a power sour 0 yeah we did our special color for the line widths now that is a 10 yeah okay that is conceptual yes that is enough to get started with so yeah it is just a scroll yeah is it is horizontal or vertical it is going to be one str scroll how many pages i just took one for every step and then a conclusion alright i think y you have you have done the 1st 2 horizontal is easier too cause you can yeah okay and and the look and feel is yeah is it more natural than this well i think i have to make a p an issue called finance yeah yeah so let us say whoops kay yeah yes basically it does not look like the items we had to drop yeah it it is it is not yeah it is not very fashionable anymore but it is okay it is really ugly yeah where did we start with price 265 maybe m make it bigger or or not or 26 something like that yeah that looks little bit more maybe that is a s a special color for it 0 this so we can make it special what do you mean like a other color than this one or or speckles in it i dunno speckles yeah can we do it can we do a print i am not sure i think we have to choose yeah i do not think so if you see the options but okay special color we do have special color does it mean that yeah red is already a special color i think so it is not very special but yeah shall we just give it some dots to make it look pretty yeah purdy just put the purple purple on it yeah some some big dots purple that is trendy yeah yeah yeah 0 no my remote has acne we have the original balance sheet or yeah yeah woah no that is why we have that button 0 yeah it is so cute 0 what doh woah just cut control z 0 no is that that yeah no no yeah yeah how the we did we do that 0 it is it is just one computer just dual screen or no but can we delete it just with delete or we can try that does not respond also to the undo it looks like it is crashed no 0 no very nice okay where do you want some more dots yeah over here you can not even draw anymore yeah even children can draw what is this y y you you you push the button or something or can you just push pen and then keep on 0 yeah 0 that is the select button it is okay it is not the prettiest i know no it looks it is not so random huh lot of options it is okay specially the the r yeah the r and another r yeah okay it is called the real remote right yeah maybe maybe it c it can say that the real remote yeah just on the the m the l c d display yeah welcome we can make a l a logo this is your real remote yeah yeah like put it like the shape yeah d designed by okay something like that i mean it is not too that is not their logo is it no do they have a lo 0 the here this i this is the logo yeah it is a 2 r s and a one yeah you can just reuse that because the name is the same you can copy and paste the picture if you want initials how shall we do the logo in black or not yeah yeah what is that look more looks more like a campfire are you dissing my drawing this one yeah it looks like a ribbon yeah okay so who wants to draw this is actually quite fun do we need to do anything i hear you people are typing are we ready or type in your report 0 okay i do not see any new messages so luckily luckily yeah is this the last assignment or yeah it is yeah final it is almost 4 what time do we have to deliver the report at 4 yeah 40 clock or or before that okay just compare and copy this just a minute this is really bizarre it is it looks like there is a it looks like a butterfly bug bug it is somewhere i d it is not inside no it is in inside the yeah and do not know how it is or eject it no it is on the on the beamer i guess no it 0 no but it i it is not a bu a beamer from up there no b it is a normal t v screen kind of thing hey you have got it read only yeah it is somewhere in here so you have to save copy yeah strange this something what is projection from behind i guess yeah it is too 0 yeah there is some kind of projection i think yes yeah it it is a beamer but then with a within a mirror yeah with a with a mirror huh or something yeah so it looks like a big screen but in fact it is not so are we going to change anything to this it is i mean is it going to well it is it is single single curved well it is now single curved so th this is flat this is going to be flat it is flat yeah exactly 0 no yeah okay it does not matter it is it is but it is it is better to have in the front this kind of shape because it looks nice i mean you see more of this than of that yeah yeah more like that yeah and this is also going to be it is not very ideal nope do like this but sometimes then all of a sudden it does work yeah what is this that is the detector for the ooh okay maybe but i do not see a detector over there yeah no it is i think you only need 2 points i do not know or not no you sh i thought it was a kind of thing to put it on and then draw right lines or something maybe that is why it is it is not working because it is more slanted yeah yeah yeah yeah or just messed it up well maybe 0 yeah 0 yeah yeah it it matters for the aim of this thing yeah yeah but it was not good you have to make it s 90 degrees yeah it it has to touch the corners i guess but th this one was not good because if i was drawing here i drew a line and then it came over here now you probably have to recalibrate you have 05 minutes to the end of the meeting 0 0 we are always long and the recalibration is done using this icon here yeah can we t can we get to that i ooh 0 it is not working anymore yeah yeah it is it is okay yeah well i just 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah it is it is working it is working it is working again yeah okay it is better than before yeah yeah we are improving yeah you go ahead yeah that is improved pretty much yeah yeah it is only a bit like to that side but that is that one by the way yeah yeah but it is better it is better cause this one makes the angle either like this no it so i if i change this it will go there if i change that will go there no it is better than it was i guess i will take this away cause it looks messy silly yeah works pretty well 5 minutes before the meeting is over yeah and then yeah we have to present then i have to write this and i do not know if you have to present because i did not receive any information about that so far alright maybe we will maybe we get a a final mail so it after the after after these 5 minutes you have to yeah yeah i have still 10 minutes to finish the report what is this anyway so cake alright after after that 5 minutes you have 10 minutes to finish it or alright it looks like candle wax yeah and we and you can just relax and have cup of coffee or 0 no they do not have beer here so you can not celebrate right chill huh you can just if you ma finish my presentation please over there yeah the presentation is still open so if you finish that then you will see yeah next next slide 0 yeah we have to do the project evaluation just do that quickly yeah how do you do it well basically what that says we discuss it and alright so how were did the project process go did you were you all pleased with the process as it was or are there th do you mean the the interaction between us yeah the interaction and the steps we followed and and so forth or yeah well at 1st i was really stressed because it went a bit fast yeah but then as i knew the tempo that i had to be on the 2nd time i think i did a bit better yeah yeah and the 3rd time yeah i mean and we move more to to working together as team because at 1st you you make your individual contribution no and then come here and you have no idea what the others have to make no yeah yeah yeah yeah and then finally you have some idea okay this is going to w this is what we going to make together and okay i will arrange this and you will arrange that and you have a k a kind of idea what you can expect on the next half hour when you have to work on your own so the process i mean the interaction between us became better and better i guess yeah we yeah yeah especially after the 1st meeting yeah especially if f f if you see you se you saw the largest difference from the 1st to the 2nd meeting i guess and yeah yeah definitely okay and was that due to my leadership yeah yeah yeah well you did become more assertive the the 2nd time round so that yeah yeah yeah yeah that okay you were more in charge kind of thing okay was there enough room for creativity i guess so yeah yeah but only the the financial parts yeah i mean li limiteded afterwards but if if you do not take that into account there is plenty of room for creativ creativity i also not only the drawing and the the making of the thing itself but also in explaining it to the other people by means of we were pretty democratic the the board and powerpoint and word and stuff like that so and the about the board digital pen was that helpful or yeah i think in in essence ooh the digital pen is better than the smartboard because it it it just works better i mean i have made yeah i have made several notes just to test it yeah it works and and just put the pen in into it and then it came onto my screen and it looked perfectly yeah so it it is better a better device than maybe yeah than the screen but the screen is useful in essence but it does not work that well it is it is the the pen is more intuitive cause we are all used to writing with pen use the pen and as i said i have no idea how powerpoint works so will take me half a day to be able to make a normal powerpoint presentation yeah but once i get to know the program probably i mean it looks better you know or something like that you can give it a kind of a home style like we have i the the logo and everything yeah yeah and i do not know yep blink 0 warning finish meeting now finish meeting okay are are there any new ideas about this all i think i did not really receive yeah well it it is use especially useful i guess to to evaluate designs and graph graphical stuff w s sorry and and the screen and stuff like that i think the powerpoint is is too limited you can not draw easy in in powerpoint it has to be yeah the drawing board has to be integrated into powerpoint so that you can just easily yeah yeah the the the problem with powerpoint for me is that you have to i put in the pre made chunks c as well yeah you know you can draw something on the sketch board and then take it there or whatever yeah yeah yeah but it it is useful to to show something to to an a small audience and then to yeah just for text for text it is it is okay but yeah these these kind of screens this size are useful to discuss things so 0 yes check your email we should enter our questionnaire you also kay ah woah alright right okay okay okay alright yes boss well s see you in a 2nd huh that is the management well see you soon 0 okay hope so yeah yeah we have to pull it this way huh wait" ]

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[ "we still have to do our questionnaire okay 1st of all i will start with the costs because that is going to influence our design alright if you do not know if you already had a look or not did you do your questionnaire already i already did it it is not much it is just because we have a problem if you look closely you can see what i already took the liberty to make some suggestions yeah there at the moment we have 15 buttons one lcd screen one advanced chip on print we use a sensor that is for the speech we use we use kinetic use kinetic energy and we wanted the buttons in a special color okay was the 1st thing we should drop the special color of the buttons no that is that is for the trendy okay everything is should we switch to hand dynamo that is still the same idea as the kinetic energy because you have to use it yeah but i do not people like that so just do a normal battery i just do a normal battery then yeah it has to be 12 and a half or no 0 my goodness you are going to read these items okay so we are at 25 yeah do we keep the shape doubly curve to go go for single curved i guess we will have to go for single curve then i mean we have to drop on everything but we can keep it single curved with top view still curved but from the side it is it is flat the screen is just well you just have to hold it like this then how about sorry another option i saw was to draw the buttons one through 9 so you can directly access a channel but instead use only the up and down arrows that is what i was to skip 9 buttons and €45 all right yeah yeah we have any basic options anymore 0 yeah and because then they do not have to they do not need special colors well they do not need special colors fine it is more like it yeah you were saying something that was exactly my point let us drop all the buttons and just make one i mean we are going to use the lcd screen anyway so we will just have to use it for everything and then you can make an overview of channels in the screen and select the channel click so maybe you can drop a few more buttons but let us look we only need the menu arrow button thing everything you can do with the menu so with the yeah we need one integrated button for everything yeah a joystick yeah kind of i was because yeah scroll wheel push button integrated scroll wheel push button yeah if you go to our few like if you are in the sound system there and you want to adjust the treble for instance this is just an example you want to see a bar on which you can adjust it from 0 to 10 for example but you want a sound preview of how it is going to sound right so you want to click on it activate it and when you move it hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound so you will need a kind of a joystick button yeah or the right scroll wheel push button yeah so that is kind of on your mouse and then you can click it adjust it click again and then you are out of it exactly but you then still need to have well you can use the scroll wheel wheel as well for maybe for the channels but you still have to have some button in the menu to go back you can do one integrated scroll wheel push button yeah and then just drop all the other buttons well not all not sound i guess the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push buttons yeah one integrated button is 5 times the cost of a normal button so we have to make it more you could also drop 3 more of these without losing much functionality what is the sample sensor sample speaker that is for the speech speech recognition yeah good drop speech recognition no but yeah that is possible yeah it is expensive but we never considered the possibility consider the possibilities of speech recognition because it can take the function of a lot of buttons that is not very easy to use no it can be disturbed by noise and yeah let us just say that the speech recognition works let me see what is more popular i guess the screen was more popular than the speed recognition i have to look on that let me see well no i was wrong there are more people who like speed recognition than an lcd screen okay because if he lose the lcd screen but it is both a hyper no we need a little extra buttons yeah we keep the screen i mean it is about the same 81% of we have not really integrated this speech into the system so we can might as well drop that drop it yeah let us drop the speech for less years €16 so we still have €35 to lose we need to lose some buttons yeah if he lose the back the okay button let us say we only have the 4 arrows yeah the menu button yeah and then use or in the power button you have also the okay and the menu button does also does the okay function then and then when you in the menu so that is one year so you activate the menu if we do 2 integrated scroll wheel push buttons you can drop all the push buttons yeah with one integrated button we can do the whole menu thing yeah with the other we can do the channel the volume etc yeah that would say ¢2 compared to no no it is €3 no this together is more expensive than it is almost the same as this okay for example if you have 4 buttons channel up and down volume left right okay i think we have to keep that and then and the power button so that is 5 that is the basic that is the basic that is what you need anyway and then for the menu you can have a button a button that activates the menu or do we just integrate a scroll wheel with a push button and then if the moment you use the scroll wheel the the menu gets activated and then you can scroll choose an option click on it it goes into a feature click on it again selects feature scroll adjust it click again it is okay then you only need one button to move back or or under each option you set a you set a screen thing that says back and you select that one click again you go one step back and in that menu scroll click one step back so that then you need 5 buttons yeah and one integrated scroll wheel push button but you can drop 3 buttons but i see that is one year or more expensive yeah so that is not an option because which buttons do we have now those 5 which i mentioned and then menu and then power yeah the 4 things for arrows yeah power if you go to 8 i do not know how to yeah okay so 4 arrows yeah power i believe yeah that is 5 we have a back and a okay button yeah okay that is 7 i want to activate the menu yeah that is 8 but we can not reduce that we keep the display okay even if we drop 3 buttons from here we still have to make some adjustments around here so yeah we need the chip for the lcd display yeah we need to advance let us make a case plastic i would rather make it wood because there is a lot because that also is good in the market with the 45 plus people yeah but that is not our market no that maybe not but it is better than plastic anyway i do not know hard plastic plastic with a special color yeah plastic with a special color yeah okay no but i because we have to use the special color anyway you forgot that yeah yeah so let us go for the plastic yeah okay plastic and since it is not kinetic it does not have to flip around that much plastic is free we still have a problem of €2 yeah okay if you drop to now the buttons those are really needed yeah yeah we can drop them it is and the advanced chip on the do we really need that advanced chip for an lcd display yeah so the other option would be to go for the sample speaker which can use a regular chip which is €6 in total that does not matter i rather keep the display yeah because we are already designed for it the only option is in hand dynamo yeah and something else 0 no that is one right can not we fit all the buttons in an integrated scroll push button because that will save us one5 already and then integrated yeah but that would make it not so easy to use i mean it is not that important easy to use but then you then we have to scroll through a lot of menus to be able to get where you want yeah yeah 2 additional buttons i believe yeah yeah at least one for power that is yeah power there is 3 buttons and this yeah it is just as expensive as what we have now great button how many functions can it have yeah endlessly i mean it can be your power button as soon as it powered on you can go into your main menu you can choose flip channel you can choose sound options then you should do everything in the menu yeah on the screen maybe we should because we do not have money and we want the screen drop these then we have a half euro left yeah so we can maybe still use power button yeah but we alright i guess we have it saves us €4 and it costs us 25 so let us see we drop the price but we still 13 left yeah no then i am miscalculated 13 so still half shit there goes a special that would make it less appealing so that is no option okay what else uncurved we are sure about it advanced chip we need for the display yeah it says right here okay they made it very easy for us yeah we made it hard for ourselves with the display but it is a cool feature i do not think i can persuade the management persuade the management to say this is better for the market so you sell more okay what we could do is drop the special color and do the special color for the buttons that is 0 yeah since we only have one button yeah but i mean what is meant by special color i just i do not think black or white i think yeah i think it is gray regular yeah all right gray and rubber but we definitely want the thing to be a special color yeah so i would rather have a hand dynamo than drop the color yeah you can still play with it then i guess i do not know yeah but a hand dynamo costs a lot of energy to keep the stream working so i guess that is not an option display yeah you only have to power it up when you want to use it yeah if you have to power it up for 10 minutes no i do not think the current status of chips are pretty energy saving yeah true let us go for the hand dynamo then yeah hand dynamo do we want an extra button or do we uncurved and flat instead of no it has to be curved yeah it has to be curved and has to have that color just put a special special color of the buttons or something yeah is that a special yeah what is special what is special form maybe that is nicer for a scroll yeah we do not have any buttons so we only have make it a special color then it is for an integrated button i think also yeah make it a special color then there is just a scroll which you can push down okay making a special color and then it looks fancy so whoa we are in budget yeah let us save it 2 special colors but we only have one button yeah let us do it like this i mean because it does not lose our identity of the product as we okay well let us go this was old well we come back to the drawing board then yeah back to work yeah all your designs are pretty much it is silly because we should have had this meaning before we start drawing yeah but that is the fun part of it i wanted to do a little bit no yeah i was not allowed so okay alright i just forgot to save this yes what is the next phase yeah this is the last phase of course by your humble pm 0 frustrated alright yeah okay well we 1st should have had a prototype presentation as you saw that had not made no sense because we had to drop everything drop yeah we went straight into finance finance yeah it was more important yeah yeah pushed up to gender evaluation criteria and you have used something about that yeah i sure did and it combines with product evaluation so we all have to keep in mind what has changed now so what we have left on the because the evaluation is based on the initial user user requirements all right let us make it big well we evaluate the design with a 7 point scale as following well the remote controls recording criteria blah blah true or false and then on the scale of 7 points the leekard skill if you all know it well the criteria are based on the user requirements the trends from the marketing research and marketing strategy of the company itself well there are in a word document which i will open now we all have to agree on a certain level what is this i do not know well the 1st point the remote control matches the operating behavior of the young user so that means the operating behavior was using quite a lot of functions how do you think about that i think it does because the operating behavior of the young user was also defined in color and shape and the use of lcd right yeah the use of the little bit of those it is mainly mainly concentrating on a lot of functions in this question so you think well we have extended menus yeah you can make a lot of extended menus that is true i mean the the possibilities are almost unlimited to to building menus in this yeah yeah so on a scale from one to 7 what do you think 3 huh 2 or 3 something like that well we have to choose one so what do you say i agree on 2 you feel this in now yeah yeah okay i say 2 personally but yeah and new design would say it is 3 but now in the original design i say yeah but we have to evaluate i guess what we have now okay then i say 3 yeah you say 3 yeah okay well i say still 2 but it has to be 3 then you are marketing right yeah i know so it is made bold it is made bold but it is not very clear maybe it will give it a color maybe other color yeah it is better red yeah alright it does not have to re bolt anymore all right 0 yeah very true yeah true well the remote control height definitely one it has to be the remote control height is irrelevant or less use functions for example audio settings and screen settings it is a very true point i mean it hides all those functions they are hidden in the screen if you do not want to use them you do not just scroll over them and you place them i do not know where so that is very true i guess for our case the 2nd point it shows the relevant of most used functions most use functions power button do we still have a power button well yeah the buttons integrated huh yeah it is integrated yeah we dropped it you just push it in for just integrated yeah just push it in for 3 seconds or something and then exactly just like in mobile just go scrolling you into a lot of state it shows relevant of most use functions you must well yeah on the other on one side i would say yes and the other side would say no i do not know it shows the most used functions and they are relevant yeah can you change channels directly with just one button no with the scroll one yeah and then say channel and then well we should build it so that if you do not kind of push into the menu or something if when it is on yeah it is turned on it automatically has the the program and the volume function but as soon as you click it you go into the menu or something of your or you double click but how do you change from volume to channel now because it has 4 arrows right no no because he is 0 yeah scroll wheel which you can push in yeah i was thinking still about our integrated joystick now we have we have no buttons left so so the joystick was not an option yeah that is a bummer so you have so you have so you have to double click i mean for i mean volume and 3 double click for the menu or something yeah hold it 10 seconds yeah i will make it a morse code but but ease of use was not very important when i remote you so that should be true yeah but that is not a question and the remote control shows relevant the most use functions well i think it is pretty much in the middle yeah for you have to search for them in the in the screen in the menu so yeah so maybe it is more like a 5 yeah go for 5 or 6 yeah 5 or 65 okay 5 5 all right that is not this our remote yeah this the remote control i have ever seen yeah yep just one button all right the remote control makes use of technological innovation like lcd screen and speed recognition well yeah we dropped the speed recognition but it has at least one innovation i say 2 i say 2 then we still have the fruit and vegetable print yeah but that is not this question never mind it is the other question i am a bit lost this one i think 2 2 yeah i think lcd is more usable than speech yeah but not the bold one it is way more more practical yeah right okay it has a fancy look and feel by using fruit vegetable prints primary colors a sponge like material it should have been 2 questions i realize now because sponge like material is dropped but the look and feel yeah so we still have the primary colors yeah but only on the on the outside not on a button the button has also color yeah yeah okay the one button we have yeah yeah we dropped also on the double curve yeah you can check with the excel sheet yeah we have single curve now and no material yeah so maybe in the middle or something yeah yeah yeah i mean it is yeah or 3 or 3 yeah actually we did not do so well on this one because it is basically an old one an old one with a little curve on the side and in a different color it is still hard i mean the sponge like and the 3 d shape that would give it something young and fresh yeah but then we would have to drop the screen 0 red you like bold yeah i like mold the remote control displays the corporate logo 0 yeah of course we just have to draw just to admit it it is a white part because we could not hardly draw on the lower half of the screen we could not make it big enough to actually draw in the yeah so i mean i wanted to put digits on the buttons as well but there is enough space for the corporate logo i mean if there is only one if we have only one button yeah so i will say that so i will say that it is very true and even the shape we have now simulates kind of an r and a reversed r does not it the remote control is easy to use well i would say no a skill i would say 6 or something i do not think it is easy to use or not so the only thing easy about it is that you do not have to move your fingers yeah and that you only have to control one button yeah exactly exactly and it has a nice screen but yeah it gives official feedback so yeah i would say a 5 or a 6 i would say 6 what do you say it is really not easy to use because you are putting everything so 6 more yeah yeah i would go for the 6 too okay so most votes count well another question the remote control is durable i do not know if that is the correct word definitely in casing and use both battery as casing yeah yeah because the batteries those things last forever true true and the casing is plastic the casing hard plastic also lasts forever yeah if you do not drop it too much it should last pretty long i would go for one yeah but i think rubber compared it is better so i think a 2 2 is more appropriate okay yeah wow yeah logo okay i would go for 2 the last one the remote control is a good example for a company is motto you put the fashion in electronics no we put the electronics let us turn around yeah i would go for 4 yeah because we kind of try to but we kind of failed with the budget that we have yeah true yeah okay so a 4 it is it goes it is not the best we could do i guess it all has to do with the budget because it is not the bad idea we had so yeah all right yeah right so that is it if i understood it right we have to count these numbers 0 yeah what 0 all right we are talking with the yeah we have to count them count them add them yeah just add them and then device them start to calculate yeah i all made it i all made it i all made it possible of positive questions so we can count it i mean if you have reversed questions you have to reverse the skill okay yeah so 4 did you make this questionnaire yeah thanks nice work okay 3 plus i would not be able to do that that fast +one +5 5 whoa 0 easy question number 4 yeah yeah wait a 2nd 0 how hard is it pretty difficult yeah just use start over there is no there is no numpet you can it is a bit just type in the digits they are all one digit numbers right and then you can count them together yeah you can just count them by half let us move over 3 +one 3 49 9 yeah you are here 11 11 15 15 16 16 17 17 no 16 16 +6 22 how hard is this 22 yeah never much 24 28 28 28 0 man it was the last one yeah okay 28 so divided by 9 that is a 3 the lower the score the better right yeah 28 divided by 9 makes 3 points 11 11 one one one one one so we are better in the average but yeah are you sure we this number actually tells us something no think so because some questions are related to positive issues and some to negative so if you give it true to a positive it actually means that the lower the better but if you give true to a negative question yeah but there are no negative questions i guess no good example durable that is good easy to use easy to use this way is good fancy look and feel that is good yeah technological innovation was also good because of marketing marketing requirement right the most use function i guess you did do it hides this functions that was also a good thing and then matches the operator of the user was also a good thing okay well positive questions yeah true by purpose so yes so the it tells us something as because but the picture would be a lot different if we did not have to drop those things those things i guess yeah definitely definitely because now it is just an average average remote it is better than average but yeah okay because of the lcd screen yeah so in looks and stuff it is still it is not it is not really eye catching except for the color the color on the screen yeah okay so this we had this we had product evaluation product evaluation pro type presentation we dropped so the finance we looked we have redesigned not on that but yeah we have to maybe we have to redesign it on this so you can just make one big lcd screen with some casing around it yeah okay we are still going to go for the fancy colors are we going to stick with the green or are we going to do blue you can just use this one and then overpaint it with the butternus is a special color the frame is a special color one scroll button and a single curve 0 and you might want to add an infrared lab yeah for why it does not function so well do we have to do other things well i have to make a report or report every decision we made so far all right and i tried to catch up just before i received the excel sheet yeah so i made it start right yeah i am somewhere but maybe you know should give it some time yeah yay okay that is how do we make that a scroll and all that i have to take this away also yeah and this that is the infrared 0 yeah of course a pen yeah formats current color red 0 yeah we did have special color for the line width yeah let us say 10 it is going to be one scroll how many pages horizontal or 3rd no i just took one for every step all right horizontal is easier though yeah okay and the look and feel is it is more natural than this than this i think i have to make a so let us say oops key yeah basically it does not it does not it does not it is not yeah it is not very fashionable anymore but it is okay it is really ugly where did we start which price 26 and a half or or 26 something something like that yeah that looks a little bit more i mean it is a special color for it so we can make it special what do you mean like other color than this one or or spickles in it i do not know spickles yeah can we do with the can we do a print print i am not sure i think we have to choose huh i do not think so if you see the options but okay special color we do have special color does that mean yeah it is already a special color i think so yeah shall we just give it some dots to make it look pretty yeah some big dots purple in it purple that is trendy yeah yeah 0 no my remote has acne yeah whoa 0 that is why we have that button 0 yeah it is so cute whoa whoa just cut control z 0 no is that no no is that that yeah yeah yeah no no yeah yeah yeah how there wait did we do that just dual screen no it is can we delete it just to delete or we can try dry it does not respond also to the undo it looks like it crashed no okay very nice where do you want some more dots yeah over here you can not even draw anymore even children can not you push the button or something or can you just push the pen and then 0 that is the select button it is a okay it is not the prettiest i know it is not so random huh it is okay it is actually the r yeah the r and another r it is called the real remote right yeah maybe it can say that the real remote yeah just on the lcd display yeah welcome we can make a logo yeah like put it like the shape designed by something like that i mean it is not too that is not their logo is it yeah do they have a logo 0 here this is the logo yeah you can just reuse that because the name is the same you can copy and paste that picture if you want so we do that logo in black or not yeah yeah what is that it looks more like a campfire campfire are you dissing my drawing this one yeah it looks like a ribbon yeah okay so who wants to draw this is actually quite fun do we need to do anything i hear you people are typing typing the report okay i do not see any new messages so luckily the last assignment or yeah it is the final it is almost 4 what time do we have to deliver the report 40 clock or at 4 yeah right before that just compare this is really bizarre it looks like there is a it looks like a butterfly it is somewhere it is not inside no it is on the beamer i guess no but it is it is not a beamer it is a normal tv screen tv screen kind of thing yeah it is somewhere in here so you have to save a copy yeah strange this is something that is projection from behind i guess it is just here at our screen 0 yeah there is some kind of projection i think yeah it is a beamer but then with a mirror yeah so it looks like a big screen but in fact it is not so are we going to change anything to this well it is a single curve it is now a single curve so this is flat yeah exactly okay it does not matter but it is better to have in the front this kind of shape because it looks nice i mean you see more of this than of that yeah yeah more like that yeah and this is also going to be it is not very ideal but sometimes then all of a sudden it does work yeah what is this that is the detector for the okay but i do not see a detector over there i think you only need 2 points or not i thought it was a kind of thing to put it on and then draw right lines or something it is not working because it is more slanted yeah yeah where i just messed it up well maybe yeah it matters for the aim of this thing yeah but it was not good you have to make it 90 degrees yeah it has to touch the corners i guess but this one was not good because if i was drawing here i drew a lot i drew a line and then it came over here now you probably have to recalibrate 5 minutes to the end of the meeting 0 and the recalibration is done using this icon can we get to that icon yeah yeah it is okay it is working again it is better than before okay yeah yeah it has improved pretty much yeah it is only a bit like to that side but that is that one by the way but it is better this one makes the angle either like this so if i change this it will go there if i change that we will go there it is better than it was i guess i will take this away because it looks silly yeah it works pretty well 5 minutes before the meeting is over and then we have to present i have to write this and i do not know if you have to present because i did not receive any information about that all right maybe we will after these 5 minutes you have to i have still 10 minutes what is this anyway all right after after that 5 minutes it looks like candle wax it or yeah all right and we you can then just relax a cup of coffee or chill they do not have beer so you can not celebrate you can just if you may finish my presentation please yeah the presentation is still open so if you finish that and you will see yeah next slide 0 yeah we have to do that project evaluation just do that quickly yeah how do you do it well basically what that says we discuss it and so all right the project process go you were pleased with the process as well do you mean the the interaction between us or action and the steps we followed yeah well at 1st i was really stressed because it went a bit fast but then as i knew the tempo that i had to be on the 2nd time i think i did a bit better yeah and we moved more to working together as a team because at 1st you make your individual contribution and then come here and you have no idea what the others have to make yeah yeah yeah and then finally you have some idea okay this is going to this is what we are going to make together and okay i will arrange this and you will arrange that and you have a kind of idea what you can expect on the next half hour when you have to work on your time to work on your own so the process i mean the interaction between us became better and better i guess especially after the 1st meeting yeah especially if you see you saw the largest difference from the 1st to the 2nd yeah meaning i guess okay and was that due to my leadership yeah well you did become more assertive the 2nd time around to that yeah yeah you were more in charge kind of thing okay was there enough room for creativity i guess so yeah i mean only the financial part limited afterwards but if you do not take that into account there is plenty of room for creativity also not only the drawing and the making of the thing itself but also in explaining it to the other people by means of we were pretty democratic the board and powerpoint and word and stuff like that and about the board and such had a digital pen was it helpful i think in essence the digital pen is better than the smart board because it just works better i mean i have made several notes just to test it and just put the pen into it and then it came onto my screen and it looked perfectly so it is a bit better device than the screen maybe but the screen is useful in essence but it does not work that well it is it is the pen is more intuitive because we are all used to writing with pen and as i said i have no idea how powerpoint works so it will take me half a day to be able to make a normal powerpoint presentation but once i get to know the program probably i mean it looks better you know or something like that you can give it a kind of a home style like we have the logo and everything and yeah i do not know morning finish meeting now okay are there any new ideas about this all i think well it is you is especially useful i guess to to evaluate designs and graph graphical stuff and the whole screen and stuff like that i think the powerpoint is too limited you can not draw easy in powerpoint it has to be yeah the drawing board has to be integrated into powerpoint so that you can just easily yeah yeah the problem with powerpoint for me is that you have to put in the pre made chunks as well you know you can draw something on the sketchboard and then take it there or whatever yeah but it is useful to show something to a small audience and then to it is okay but yeah these kind of screens this size are useful to discuss things so yes check your email we should enter our questionnaire d doo yeah also you also mister gentlemen maybe it is better that you finish the meeting now move to your rooms and we will make the questioners there because there are 3 questions left this is number 8 okay and then number 9 and over post and when is finished okay okay all right yes bosch we will see you in a 2nd huh see you soon 0 see you soon i hope so yeah we have to pull it this way huh right i am sorry" ]

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[ "okay right well this is the kick off meeting for our our project and this is just what we are going to be doing over the next 25 minutes so 1st of all just to kind of make sure that we all know each other i am laura and i am the project manager do you want to introduce yourself again great hi i am david and i am supposed to be an industrial designer okay and i am andrew and i am our marketing i am craig and i am user interface expert great okay so we are designing a new remote control and 0 i have to record who is here actually so that is david andrew and craig is not it and you all arrived on time yeah so des design a new remote control as you can see it is supposed to be original trendy and user friendly so that is kind of our our brief as it were and so there are 3 different stages to the design i am not really sure what what you guys have already received in your emails what did you get i just got the project announcement about what the project is designing a remote control that is about it did not get anything else yeah that is that is it is that what everybody got yeah did you get the same thing okay yeah so we are going to have like individual work and then a meeting about it and repeat that process 3 times and at this point we get try out the whiteboard over there so you get to draw your favorite animal and sum up your favorite characteristics of it so who would like to go 1st i will go that is fine very good alright so this one here right okay very nice alright my favorite animal is like a beagle charac favorite characteristics of it is that right yeah right well basically high priority for any animal for me is that they be willing to take a lot of physical affection from their family yeah and yeah that they have lots of personality and be fit and in robust good health so this is blue blue beagle my family is beagle right lovely well my favorite animal would be a monkey then they are small cute and furry and when planet of the apes becomes real i am going to be up there with them right cool there is too much gear you can take as long over this as you like because we have not got an awful lot to discuss ok 0 we do we do do not feel like you are in a rush anyway okay i could have told you a whole lot more about beagles ach why not we might have to get you up again then boy let me tell you i do not know what mine is i am going to have to think on the spot now impressionist can not draw is that a whale yeah well anyway i do not know it is just the 1st animal i can think off the top of my head yes big reason is cause i am allergic to most animals allergic to animal fur so fish was a natural choice ah yeah and i kind of like whales they come in and go eat everything in sight alright and they are quite harmless and mild and interesting okay god i still do not know what i am going to write about superb sketch by the way tail is a bit big i think i was going to choose a dog as well but i will just draw a different kind of dog yep m my favorite animal is my own dog at home that does not really look like him actually he looks more like a pig actually ah well i see a dog in there do you yep 0 that is very good of you now i see a rooster what kind is it he is a mixture of various things and what do i like about him that is just to suggest that his tail wags he is very friendly and cheery and always pleased to see you and very kind of affectionate and and he is quite quite wee as well so you know he can does not take up too much space and and he does a funny thing where he chases his tail as well which is quite amusing so is he aware that th it is his own cha tail he is chasing it is i think it is he only does it after he is had his dinner and he will just all of a sudden just get up and start chasing his tail round the living room it is an after dinner dog then yeah so probably when he was little he got lots of attention for doing it and has forever been conditioned yeah maybe maybe right where did you find this just down here yeah okay what are we doing next okay we now need to discuss the project finance so according to the brief we are going to be selling this remote control for €25 and we are aiming to make €50000000 so we are going to be selling this on an international scale and we do not want it to cost any more than €1250 so 50% of the selling price kay can we just go over that again sure so bas at twel alright yeah okay so cost like production cost is 1250 but selling price is is that wholesale or retail all together like on the shelf i dunno i imagine that is a good question our sale our sale anyway i imagine it probably is our sale actually because it is probably up to the yeah okay okay the the retailer to sell it for whatever price they want okay alright but i i do not know i mean do you think the fact that it is going to be sold internationally will have a bearing on how we design it at all yes think it will well right away i am wondering if there is th th like with d v d players if there are zones 0 yeah regions and stuff yeah f frequencies or something as well as characters different keypad styles and s symbols yeah okay yeah well for a remote control do you think that will be i suppose it is depends on how complicated our remote control is i do not know yeah it does make sense from maybe the design point of view cause you have more complicated characters like european languages then you need more buttons yeah yeah yeah so possibly yeah okay and then a and then al the other thing international is on top of the price i am thinking the price might might appeal to a certain market in one region whereas in another it will be different so what just like in terms of like the wealth of the country just a chara just a characteristic of the like how much money people have to spend on things like just or just like basic product podi positioning the €25 remote control might be a big hit in london might not be such a big hit in greece who knows something like that yeah aye i see what you mean yeah marketing good marketing thoughts yep 0 gosh i should be writing all this down right away i am making some kind of assumptions about what what information we are given here thinking kay trendy probably means something other than just basic something other than just standard yeah so i am wondering right away is selling €25 is that sort of the thi is this going to to be like the premium product kinda thing or yeah yeah like how much does you know a remote control cost huh well €25 i mean that is that is about like £18 or something is not it or no is it as much as that £161718 yep yeah i would say so yeah i dunno i have never bought a remote control so i do not know how how good a remote control that would get you no yeah yeah but yeah i suppose it has to look kind of cool and gimmicky right okay let me just scoot on ahead here okay well d does anybody have anything to add to to the finance issue at all do we have any other background information on like how that compares to other thin no actually that would be useful though would not it if you knew like what your money would get you now other yeah yeah interesting thing about discussing production of a remote control for me is that l as you point out i just do not think of remote controls as somethin something people consciously assess in their purchasing habits yeah yeah it is just like getting shoelaces with shoes or something 0 it just comes along 5 minutes to end of meeting 0 okay we are a bit behind do you know what i mean yeah like so sort of like how do you i i mean 11 way of looking at it would be yeah well the people producing television sets maybe they have to buy remote controls or another way is maybe people who have t v sets are really fed up with their remote control and they really want a better one or something i know my parents went out and bought remote controls because they got fed up of having 4 or 5 different remote controls for each things the house but right right so for them it was just how many devices control okay so right so in function one of the priorities might be to combine as many uses yeah right so do you think that should be like a main design aim of our remote control d you know i think so do your your satellite and your regular telly and your v c r and everything yeah yeah yeah well like maybe what we could use is a sort of like a example of a successful other piece technology is palm palm pilots they are gone from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras m p 3 players telephones everything agenda so like i wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market such as the lighting in your house or yeah or even like you know notes about what you want to watch like you might put in there 0 i want to watch such and such and look a 0 that is a good idea yeah yeah an so extra functionalities yeah like p personally for me at home i have i have combined the the audio video of my television set and my d v d player and my c d player so they w all work actually function together but i have different remote controls for each of them so it is sort of ironic that that then they are in there you know the sound and everything it is just one system but each one has got its own little part okay i would wel we are going to have to wrap up pretty quickly in the next couple of minutes i will just check we have nothing else okay so anything else anybody wants to add about what they do not like about remote controls they have used what they would really like to be part of this new one at all and you keep losing them you keep losing them okay finding them is really a pain you know i mean it is usually quite small or when you want it right it slipped behind the couch or it is kicked under the table yeah yeah w you get those ones where you can if you like whistle or make a really high pitched noise they beep yeah you know that is just really good id yep there i mean is that something we would want to include do you think sure dunno okay maybe i remember when the 1st remote control my my family had was on a cable actually had a cable between it and the t v and big like buttons that sort of like like on a blender or something my goodness and you know when i think about what they are now it is better but actually it is still kind of i dunno like a massive junky thing on the table still feels quite primitive maybe we could think about how could be more you know streamlined maybe like a touch screen or something s something like that yeah okay or whatever would be technologically reasonable huh okay well i guess that is up to our industrial designer cause it could b it could it could be that f it could be that functionally that does not make it any better but that just the appeal of of not having you know it looks better these days there is a r pe things in people is homes are becoming more and more like chic you know yeah nicer materials and might be okay okay be worth exploring anyway right well so just to wrap up the next meeting is going to be in 30 minutes so that is about about 10 to 12 by my watch so inbetween now and then as the industrial designer you are going to be working on you know the actual working design of it so y you know what you are doing there yep for user interface technical functions i guess that is you know like what we have been talking about what it will actually do and marketing executive you will be just thinking about what it actually what you know what requirements it has to has to fulfill and you will all get instructions emailed to you i guess okay yeah so it is th the functional design stage is next i guess and and that is the end of the meeting so i got that little message a lot sooner than i thought i would so before we wrap up just to make sure we are all on the same page here do we we were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something right huh yeah well are we at ma right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television or are we keeping sort of like a a design commitment to television features th okay well just very quickly cause this we are supposed to finish now i i do not know yep i guess that is up to us i mean you probably want some kind of unique selling point of it so you know yeah sure okay i think one factor would be production cost okay yeah because there is a cap there so depends on how much you can cram into that price yeah okay okay yeah i think that that is the main factor okay okay right okay we will that is that is the end of the meeting then alright so thank you all for coming cool" ]

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[ "my gosh you have already produced a powerpoint presentation i think it is already on actually 0 i do not know god i do not know you sing work i have it in the back but okay right okay right i know okay right well this is the kickoff meeting for our project and this is just what we are going to be doing over the next 25 minutes so 1st of all just to kind of make sure that we all know each other i am laura and i am the project manager great do you want to introduce yourself again hi i am david and i am supposed to be an industrial designer i am andrew and i am our marketing experts i am greg and i am a huge interface great okay so we are designing a new remote control and 0 i have to record he is here actually so that is david andrew and craig is not it and you are arrived on time yeah so design and your remote control as you can see it is supposed to be original trendy and user friendly so that is kind of our brief if it were and so there are 3 different stages to the design i am not really sure what you guys have already received in your emails what did you get i just got to the project announcement yeah that is that is that is that is okay so we are going to have like individual work and then a meeting about it and repeat that process 3 times and at this point you get try out the whiteboard over there so you get to draw your favorite animal and sum up your favorite character of it so who would like to go across very good all right so this one here right okay very nice all right my favorite animal is like a beagle a beagle a bigot favorite characteristics of it is that right yeah right well basically high priority for any animal for me is that they be willing to take a lot of physical affection from their family and yeah they have lots of personality and be fit and in robust good health so this is blue beagle my family is beagle lovely my favorite animal would be a monkey my favorite animal would be a monkey it is a small cute and furry and when planet on the apes becomes real i am going to be up there with them you can take as long over this as you like because we have not got an awful lot to this okay we do we do do not feel like you are in a rush anyway i actually told you a whole lot more about beagles okay too well we would have to get you up again i do not know what mine is i am going to have to think on the spot now impressionist is that a whale yeah yeah i do not know it is just the 1st animal i can think off the top of my head this big reason is because i am allergic to most animals ologic to animal 1st so fish was a natural choice yeah and i kind of like wheels i am coming in and they will eat everything inside they are quite harmless and mild and interesting superb sketch by the way i was going to choose a dog as well but i just draw a different kind of dog my favorite animal is my own dog at home that does not really look like him actually he looks more like a pig actually pig actually i see a dog in there there you 0 that is very good of you now i see a rooster what kind is it he is a mixture of various things and what do i like about him that is supposed to suggest that his tail wag he is very friendly and cheery and always pleased to see you and very kind of affectionate and he is quite we as well so he does not take up too much space and he does a funny thing where he chases his tail as well this is quite amusing is he aware that it is his own tail that he is chasing it is i think it is he only does it after he is had his dinner and just all of a sudden get up and start chasing his tail and surround the living room and after dinner he was little he got lots of attention for doing it and it is forever been conditioned maybe right where did you find this just down here okay okay what we are doing next okay we now need to discuss the project finance so according to the brief we are going to be selling this remote control for €25 and we are aiming to make €50000000 so we are going to be selling this one in international scale and we do not want it to cost any more than €1250 so 50% of the selling price can we just go over that again sure so basically all right so cost like production cost is all together but selling price is is that wholesale or retail like on the shelf i do not know i imagine that is a good question our sale our sale i imagine it probably is our sale actually because it is probably up to the retailer to sell it for whatever price they want but i do not know i mean do you think the fact that it is going to be sold internationally will have a bearing on how we design it at all yes i think it will well right away i am wondering if there is like the dvd players if there are zones 0 yeah regions and stuff yeah as well as characters different keypad styles and simple yeah well for remote control do you think that would be i suppose it depends on how complicated our remote control is it does make sense when maybe the design kind of view because you have more complicated characters that use their language if you need more money yeah yeah okay and then the other thing international is on the topic of price i am thinking the price might appeal to a certain market in one region whereas in another it will be different just like in terms of like the wealth of the country like how much money people have to spend on things like or just like basic product positioning the €25 remote control might be a big hit in london might not be such a big hit in greece who knows 0 i see too yeah marketing good marketing thoughts 0 gosh i should be writing all this down right away assumptions about what what information we are given here thinking okay trendy probably means something other than just basic yeah something other than just standard so i am wondering right away is selling €25 is that sort of that is this going to be like the premium product yeah yeah like how much does you know remote control cost well €25 i mean that that is about like 18 pounds or something is not it or no is it as much as that 16 17 £18 yeah i do not know i have never bought a remote control so i do not know how good a remote control that would get you but yeah i suppose it has to look kind of cool and gimmicky okay let me just scoot on a head here okay well does any have anything to add to the finance issue at all do we have any other background information on like how that compares to other no actually that would be useful though would not it if you knew like what your money would get you no yeah interesting thing about discussing the production of remote control for me is that as you point out i just do not think remote control is being something people consciously assess in their purchasing habits it is just like getting shoelaces with shoes or something 5 minutes to end of meeting 0 okay we are a bit behind mean like sort of like how do you i mean 11 way looking at it would be well the people producing television sets maybe they have to buy remote controls or another way is maybe people who have tv sets are really fed up with their remote control and they really want a better one or something i am here in trying to embole controls because they got fed up having 4 or 5 different remote controls for each time right right so the animal was just how many devices is a control right so in function one of the priorities might be to combine as many uses right so do you think that should be like a main design aim of remote control you know your satellite and your regular tally and your vcr and everything well like maybe what we could use as a sort of like an example of a successful other piece of technology is palm pilots they are going from being just like little sort of scribble boards to cameras mp 3 players telephones everything everything agenda so like i wonder if we might add something new to the to the remote control market such as the lighting in your house or or even like you know notes about and what you want to watch like you might put in there or i want to watch such and such and that is a good idea so extra functionality yeah like personally for me at home i have i have combined the audio video of my television set and my dvd player and my cd player so they all work actually functioned together but but i have different remote controls for each of them so it is sort of ironic that in their you know the sound and everything it is just one system but each one has got its own little part okay i am going to have to wrap up pretty quickly in the last couple of minutes i will just check with nothing else okay so anything else anybody wants to add about what they do not like about what controls they have used what they would really like to be part of this new one at all you keep losing them okay you get that small or when you are lying like to stick down the parrot yeah yeah you get those ones where you can if you like whistle or make a really high pitched noise they beep yeah they are i mean is that something we would want to include think i remember when the 1st remote control my family had was on a cable i actually had a cable between in the tv and big like buttons that sort of like on a blender or something i get it and you know and i think about what they are now it is better but actually it is still kind of i do not know a massive junkie thing on the table maybe we could think about how it could be more you know streamlined maybe like a touch screen or something something like that yeah or whatever would be technologically reasonable okay well i guess that is up to our industrial designer it could be that functionally that does not make it any better but that just the appeal of not having you know these days things in people is homes are becoming more and more like chic you know nicer material okay might be worth exploring right well so it is to wrap up the next meeting is going to be in 30 minutes so that is about 10 to 12 by my watch so in between now and then as the industrial designer you are going to be working on the actual working design of it so you know what you are doing there for our user interface technical functions i guess that is what we have been talking about what it will actually do and marketing executive you will be just thinking about what it actually you know what requirements it has to fulfill and you will get instructions email to you i guess okay okay yeah so it is the functional design stage is next i guess and that is the end of the meeting so i got that little message a lot sooner than i guess a lot sooner than i thought i would before we wrap up just to make sure we are all on the same page here do we we were given sort of an example of a coffee machine or something right well are we right now on the assumption that our television remote control may have features which go beyond the television or are we keeping sort of like a design commitment to television features okay well just very quickly because we are supposed to finish now i guess that is up to us i mean you probably want some kind of unique selling point of it okay so you know okay yeah the cap there so it depends on how much you can cram into that price okay yeah that is the main factor okay right okay well that is the end of the meeting then thank you all for coming good i hope that was what they wanted us to do is not it right great how do you turn this thing up is it fingion and i think if you can just leave it on maybe and then 0 god this has turned itself all i have tried to function and yeah there it is 0 thank goodness okay nice i think thank you thank you thank you i am talking about you 0 i am talking about you yeah i do not know i am going to do you can do down after one of the 16 and yeah and that is nice no 1st you just so i am a bit i do not know what i do not know sorry no i do not know i do not know i do not know how it is a good for a bit i do not know i was not expecting me or 5 minutes" ]

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[ "okay good afternoon hope you have good lunch afternoon hi yeah we had falafel 0 nice and you yes i had something similar but non vegetarian okay so today is our 3rd meeting it will be about the conceptual design if i come back to the minutes of the last meetings we decided not to go for speech recognition technologies because of some reasons and we are not decided about u the use of l c d screen on on the remote control because of costs so maybe we cou wi will be able to clarify this this question to today at the end of the meeting we should take decision on that point so i hope that your respective pr presentations will help us so each of you have some presentatio presentation to perform who starts okay so marketing so you are you saved your y your presentation somewhere yep so you are 4 4 yeah which is trend watch okay mister marketing experts yeah that is me so well i investigate the preference more d i investigate deeper the preference of the users so the the current investigation th th sorry the current the n current trends yeah yeah okay okay well wha what i found can you next slide yeah yeah thank you what i found in order of importance from less to more important is that people want an easy to use device after they they want something new technologic technologically speaking but the most what they what they find more more interesting more or more important it is a fancy look and feel instead of instead of the current the current trend which was f the functional look and feel so now more more cool aspect ma more a cooler aspect rather than a device with many functions and many buttons with instead of i instead of ha of a device which can do many things a device which is pleasant to to watch to see okay also well in in euro in in paris and and milan the in paris and in paris and milan the the current trend of of clothes furniture and all this all this fashion it is it is fruit and the the the theme is fruit and vegetables and also in the in the u s a the the current the mor the most popular feeling it is it is a spongy spongy means eponge so maybe we should we should think in in this direction so what what do you mean by fruit and vegetables and spongy what you mean clothe spongy means it it is like sp fruit vegetables is the the new have you seen the last exposition of clothes in milan no i missed that one yeah i i did not miss an i did not miss and i saw that the fruit there are many fr pictures of fruits and vegetables in the clothes 0 they are okay so they are not like dressed as a carrot they just have like pictures of fruit on okay no no not not yet not yet yeah yeah so we are not going to have a remote control in the shape of of a banana just maybe so te textu textures yeah yeah vegetable textures and all this kind drawings of bananas yeah yeah okay and huh but what is your suggestion how we can have some shape like that on the remote well so this is in the next slide certainly no no it is not it is not it is so which fruit are you thinking of and i ha i have not thought of any particular fruit but the general aspect of the of the remote control may may could remind some kind of vegetable some kind of instead of vegetable some natur natural object or something but yeah it it depends on the so maybe you maybe you can display a banana on the l c d 0 so you want the remote control to be the shape of a fruit or you want just some kind of like fruit logo on the means buttons are in the shape of fruits buttons are in the frape shape of fruits or something apple banana something like that yeah maybe the shape the shape no not n not not too much focus apple for channel one not too much focu not n not too s not too similar to a fruit because next year the 10 the trend the trend will be different so we should not be at re really attached to to the trend but so something that looks half like a fruit and half like an elephant for instance yeah african or as an elephant that we can discuss afterwards okay but okay i am not i am not really sure if that would really appeal to everyone though maybe just to fashion gurus like maybe just like a little bit n a little fruit picture somewhere in the corner but i do not know about i dunno how ergonomic a an orange is well ma maybe we we should further specify what target are we focusing i think in my opinion we should focus on on young people because they are more open to new devi new devices and also yeah according to the marketing report 90 p 95% of young people was to fruit was was able to to buy a a n a cooler remote control but is it is fruit cool what that is a question what is fruit cool yeah is the new trend of the well i guess you know apple has the ipod so imagi just cause they have an apple on their on their product does not mean fruit is cool no i think we we should think about a a shape with it a device with a shape of some okay but it has to be easy to to use though and to hold you know you do not want to pear or a watermelon yeah don do not you think we can find the shape of a fruit which is handy to use well probably the only thing is a banana that i can think of a cucumber banana i dunno or m maybe too long maybe too green maybe so but i mean you also have to you have to also have fit r all the buttons and you know a banana it is it yeah the thing is you have t normally with with buttons they have to be at some point attached to a circuit board so if you are going to have things like on a cylindrical kind of device it may be difficult to kind of to build i do not th it will be rolling a lot yeah but i li i like your idea that we should not have a lot of buttons b buttons so okay yeah and you you you will not have pla enough a lot of place to put a l c d on a banana also yeah do you want a an l c d with €25 well you are the marketing expert you should tell us if it is too much or not well this is i think well according to the to the report people are more interested in in a fa fancy look and feel and in a technological inno in innovation so i will give more importance to the look and feel than rather than the so so you you you suggest to go f new inputs and also it is i am not convinced about this l c d because you need internet connection you need more things it is not just buying a new control re remote you need buying control remote buying okay s so you are simply you are simply looking s to a remote control that looks like a banana with few buttons with only a few buttons more things it is not so simple for instance yeah yeah for for for given an an example yeah okay good so maybe you can go ahead yeah no it is what i already said okay thanks okay i will give the floor so you are user interface guy okay so you are 3 yeah and it is this one yep go for it yep okay so s next slide okay so i received an email around lunchtime letting me know that the brilliant minds at our technology division had developed an integrated programmable sample sensor sample speaker unit which is a way for you to have a conversation with your coffee machine and or remote control but it is just a speaker right it is no what it is it is it is very it is not a microphone it has a has a microphone has a speaker it has got a little chip and it allows you t actually i am not reading microphone there so that is why you can all have conversation it just to speak to you well it is a sample sensor sample speaker sample sensor sample speaker it means that it can recognize it can do like a match on a on a certain phrase that you speak and then can play back a phrase in response to that but there is no kind of understanding of the phrase okay so i mean you know i guess you could build that in you could you could link the the recognition of a certain phrase to some function on on the remote control but basically the thing is we have this technology available in house in house so but the thing is obviously there is still going to be a cost if you decided to integrate that because you still have to pay for the c production of the components so it it but it basically means we c we can kind of consider this from you know a theoretical or usability kind of viewpoint without worrying too much about you know how to develop it because we have this already done whilst you know some people might get annoyed if we if we just dump it i there is something that i unclear really understanding is this a technology that recognize keywords speech keywords it is it it is no well it is it will recognize i guess keywords but you know keywords in a certain order like a phrase you train it for a certain for a certain phrase you say the the example they said that they have up and running with their prototype is well they have actually integrated into the into the the coffee machine that that we are producing is you can say good morning to the coffee machine and it can recognize that phrase and it will playback good morning how would you like your coffee and it is just to it is just to playback something yeah so actually that was a bad example cause it does not actually ask how do you want your coffee because it can not really understand the response so yeah yeah so this is not s really to do to to do control only like only in the sense that it it can recognize a set a set target kind of word an yeah this is just more like a poi pois yeah it is designed it is designed as a fun kind of thing but i guess you could use it as as a way to implement yeah yeah so it it is c it it it is a easy a fancy thing that you you can bring to we can bring to the remote control that will not have any yeah comp completely pointless for the inter for from the interaction point of v point of view yeah but you can u completely pointless yeah yeah yeah unless you know you like having conversation with your remote control okay yeah but the can we use it for saying okay channel 50 channel 20 well yeah that is the thing if you can but you have to pro though i think it is a fairly simple design so you would have to record into the device every possible combination you have to s tr train it to l to learn channel 15 that whole thing not just the word channel and the word 15 it does not have that kind of logic in it yeah yeah so this is so this is this is much more than tak taking this technology bringing it to the remote control and using it so yeah that would be some development work so this is out of discussion yeah so if if if it is something that you can we can bring easily and to put it into the banana remote control m mando banana mando no this is banana bando yeah banana mando yeah banana man then it could be cool yeah yeah okay let us go ahead okay i i i i do not think it is worth it though i think it does not really add much to the functional design and it is it is it is not mature enough to use as a speech recognition engine so okay yeah so if we can just move on to the next slide i have just done a quick mock up of some of the features of our potential funky looking remote control it does not look like a banana at all well you see i was i was unaware at this point of th of the fruit focus yeah so at the moment it is more of a box focus looks like a tr look likes a a tro a tropical fruit but you you can fit i you are saying now you can fit it to yeah well this is actu this could be a genetically engineered fruit that is designed to be you know square so that it packs tighter in the boxes yeah yeah but i have just indicated here we could have actually 2 scroll wheels cause i think the scroll wheel is a fairly key part of stable thing that is right you know i think everyone has has agreed that it is that it could be quite a useful thing so to have but i think it is important you know to have 2 scroll wheels because you know you want one for for the channel but you also want one for for the volume because it is it is the volume i it is you know it is very handy for it to have instant kind of feedback and response so but i have also included this turbo button because i think you know every design should have a turbo button what is a turbo button and well so this is you know a unique problem with with televisions is that if you have this scro this scroll wheel for the television the the tuner on the t v is not going to be able to to switch between stations as fast as you can scroll so you know the th the person might want to have a might want to be able to scroll past television stations without seeing what is on them in which case it just waits until you stop scrolling and then you know displays that station or they might want to scroll and and have a quick glimpse of it even if it lags behind what they are doing it con it controls the speed yeah so with this turbo button you can say skip over t channels if you know if i am if i am going if i am scrolling past them and you know it is you could have a little red light that comes up when they press it so they feel you know it is really going fast or whatever so yeah that is those are the 2 important features i think we need on the remote but i mean we can discuss about what other kind of buttons we need you know i it could be you know if we if we want to have like a very cheap kind of device i mean we could either consider that maybe we want to sell this as a very if it is going to be a banana you know that is a pretty gimmicky kind of thing that does not have that much functionality it is just you know a couple of scroll wheels and a button cause it is hard to get so many buttons on a banana and it is still very it may even be for most for some people more functional than their current remote it is enough but if they have these scroll wheels so you know what other buttons do we want i mean we could have well i guess you need an on and off switch switch on but you could you could 0 you could turn it turn it on by taking the top off the banana maybe yeah you know it is kind of like a spy kind of flick thing yeah so sounds crazy i like crazy ideas that is why you are a marketing guru okay yeah of course so i it looks like we are going completely to forget about the l c d thing well that is the thing as have we decided that we can only spend €25 i think that well not spend but you know charge €25 i i think we could use somehow the s coffee machine dialog interface or so no we can we can not use that you we can we can not use that to we can not communicate to comman co communicate it is just a thing yeah but we can say channel 25 it is one way no no but then you have to have a template for every channel for a 100 channels you have to be able to to recognize it is not a lot 100 templates it is not well i f i think it is probably more than than our can handle because it is designed for a coffee machine you know to say hello in the morning yeah ah it is designed for a cof okay is it design for a coffee machine well that is its current application i would presume that it is kind of they would not design it to handle a 100 things th so okay yeah maybe you could ask your the you could ask the engineering department if we can yeah a good good good thing but you want to g to move to your slides yeah that is right yeah you are finished well i just i just made the point i do not i do not know if that speech recognition is you know even if we can do it i think it is not really appropriate for television environment yeah i think so but i did have one thing from a previous meeting you were talking about being able to find the remote control and i was talking about extendin being able to extend the remote control by having you know yeah a base station that can control other things as well it might be useful to have some kind of base station even if it is just you press on a button on it and and the remote control starts beeping you know this is a way of finding the remote y in that case maybe the maybe the speech recognition the speech thing could be useful just to say i am here but it is probably a bit of overkill if you could just have a a beeping exactly yeah so it is a speech synthesis kind of thing something has been stored and it is just spoken out it is speech it is it is speech synthesis and s it is speech kind of not really speech recognition but kind of pattern matching yeah yeah 0 good idea yeah that is right very good okay let us move on so you are 2 that is right okay so this is going to be about the component design so 1st thing is we need power source for the remote control so i was of the idea that we can have 2 kind of power supplies one is the usual batteries which are there they could be chargeable batteries if there is a basis station kind of thing and on top of that we can have solar cells when the lighting conditions are good they can be used so it will be pretty innovative kind then we need plastic with some elasticity so that if your if the remote control falls it is not broken directly into pieces there should be some flexibility in t i guess that fits in with the spongy kind of design philosophy yeah yeah so there should we should think of something like that and then it should be double curve the s science for the ease of handling and there are some other issues why we need double curve then controls for the traditionals u traditional users we can have the push buttons so that they do not feel that it is an alien thing for them so just 12nd when you say double curve what do you actually mean you reckon you could like draw us a thing on the on the whiteboard cause i am not sure double curve is you have curves on both the sides if i am right so it is symmetrical kind of thing whatever it is okay but like kind of convex or concave so it could be curve so it could be convex conve concave depending on what what we want okay so there are flats there are single curve and there are double curves okay these are the 3 things and there are different materials with plastic you can have double curve but with certain other materials we cannot have double curve so there there was there were many other materials like wood titanium and all those things but plastic is i think is the most appropriate one it will bring the cost down and anyway it is yeah although you know wood could be quite a stylish option if you take like nice quality kind of wood that has got a nice grain and you kind of put some some varnish on but i but there is no elasticity which could be wooden cases well it depends i mean you have the outs the wood itself is not going to break so you do not have to worry too much about the case being broken it is the inside yeah but the components inside yeah but inside you know you could have you can still have some kind of cushioning that is not visible to the to the user yeah very too expensive to do yeah and i mean you could also you can have just a very thin veneer of wood as well and also yeah but it is more easier to do a banana in plastic than in wood that is true but are we set on the banana idea actually well it look like it looks like you are all targeting that yeah i was thinking that the the shape of a banana is not it is not really handy yes it is i do not know the name 00 in english this it is not a fruit it is a vegetable is it an e apple which has it is like a pumpkin or yeah pumpkin green green green yes i see what does it taste like and you put in the salad pep pepperoni ah yeah is it what is it in french poivron oui c est ca yeah okay so capsicum or pepper pepper yeah pepper but they do d and it is al it also suits with the double curve for easy of yeah i do not know it seems a little bit kind of bulky to me like no i mean in a yeah it is not re it you you think it is really fancy and fun like with a banana you can have you think that young people that are i am sure it is fun yeah more than a banana but banana is not so handy i think that is handier banana is more handier as compared to this i think and to capsicum well but like a banana you can you can be holding like this and have the scroll wheel kind of on top and just yeah roll it back and forth like that but with i do not know how you would hold a capsicum and it is kind it is kind of it is more it is really ergonomic it is fit in the hand and you have a lot of surface to to put the controls okay let us move on yeah you are right so time is running let us move on okay so push buttons for the traditional users so that they do not feel they are alienated just and a scroll button with push technology for channel selection volume control and teletext browsing these are the 3 scroll buttons which are already available with us in the company and we we can go ahead with that okay yeah we can go to the next slide then there are different kind of chips 11 is the basic chip and the regular chip and one an adva advanced chip so we can have regular chip for control pricing is a factor for us that is why we will go for the regular chip and regular chip supports speaker support so this functionality could be used for tracing the mobile phone which has been misplaced so is that when you say speaker support you mean it just has some output pinned which which which kind of it could be a beep kind of thing okay but the speaker is actually attached to the to the chip in some way or is just the the signal yes yes that is right it is it is onto the chip most most probably not not 100% sure about that okay okay so are there any issues where we place this this chip to make sure you can actually hear the the speaker from the outside of the banana that will be the volume control i think which which a user shou it it should be already pre defined it should be whatever will be the case the chip is always going to be sitting inside okay yeah but the speaker if the speaker is actually on the chip then if it is too far away from the the casing or if the casing is too thick then you may not hear the the speaker so we can have it at one of the boundaries so that things are slightly better yeah as or as hearing is concerned we can have some gap at some place so that yeah so that is something we have to keep in mind with the actual physical design is to keep the the speaker close enough to the outside that is right okay yeah so these these were the component selection and these things we can go to the next slide and these were the findings which i i saw with the web web that user wants to have control more than one device wants to control more than one device from the same remote control so our t v remote can have little extra things to support additional devices like v c r d v d players which are usually attached with the t v because users are like this and they do not want to have one remote control for everything so with this additional little we might be having slightly better market for us although if it depends if we like if we are concentrating on like a fruit design then maybe maybe we want to sell a collection of fruit you know like a different fruit for each device of fruits cause that you know that sometimes people like to collect you know things that of a similar type remotes objects okay s objects crazy objects i think that would be funny at the beginning but after one month you will be tired of be surrounded of fruits well you are the one who wanted to do fruit in the 1st place no but i think just one fruit to control everything like a power fruit a power fr a power m a mando a supermando fruit and as well as i could see on the web the scroll button is becoming really hot thing s and we should have it on the remote yeah okay actually i i did not understand very well this trace speaker lost control well okay good so you are having a basis station okay your usually your remote sits on that so you and it is that is why it can have chargeable batteries now let us say so you you have to buy 2 things the banana and the basis station bu it is it is basis station is with the thing you s you you thing it is like a telephone handset is there and the basis station for the telephone hand set is there so now what user gets additionally he does not have to buy batteries they are rechargeable batteries so over the period of cor time he will recover the cost so you are having the basis station and there is a button if you press that button wherever the remote it will start beeping so you know where the remote is i think that is a pretty handy feature yeah yeah i think it is kind of people would find that worth it even if it was not a recharging station even if they did not have to buy extra batteries you know yeah but i am a bit worried about the budget so this is basis station is nothing more just it is a wire which is coming from the main cable and you are having one socket on which the thing sits although you do need to include r f kind of circuitry in the remote that is right but all these things are usually in house so we do not have much problems so component cost is going to be the least anyway we are not using really advanced technology l c d has already been ruled out a s r has been ruled out so it is the basic thing but very trendy and very user friendly okay and i am just wondering actually cause you know i this whole fruit thing with the banana it is it seemed like it 1st seems a bit kind of niche like only a few people would really want a banana but what if it was kind of a stylised banana you know rather than having it kind of you know yellow and really looking exactly like a banana you could make it kind of silver and you know to give you kind of the idea of a banana but without it looking you know completely kitsch for better want of a better word you know you think that yellow it is kitsch well you know i don i do not know how many peop if you make something that looks like a banana it should have the color of a banana yeah no i i a yeah otherwise it will be mis means you do not get b any feeling then well they 0 otherwise maybe li like that it is neither a banana nor a yeah like this color this color maybe you know maybe like still in the shape of a banana roughly no exactly exactly but you know just maybe maybe not exactly the same texture as a banana and just kind of you know because the thing is it is going to be a little bit difficult to make to give like the texture of a banana anyway and to k to have the exact shape i think if you are going to not be able to do it properly you may as well do it in a stylised way that just looks a bit more kind of you know 21st century rather than 60s or 70s yeah okay and going to the last slide let us move on yeah before before saint before ending the meeting i would like to to draw some sketch about the pro future prot prototype okay go for it okay well no not not you you can finish your slides before okay okay so anyway users will be so the findings is users will be very interested in our locator device to find their misplaced remotes okay so that was very i thought it is a very good suggestion by everybody okay that is it that is all yep okay so so well done for the presentations so we need to take some de decisions about about what we are going to do so i i propose that you go to the whiteboard and we are going to report all the ideas we had we had during this these presentations just to draw some sketch about what will be the prod final product and where superman go banana and extra func functionalities such as wheels yeah okay the speaker unit well not in order not to lost the the device i do i do not remember you call it that is right the basis station basis station yeah that is right so so we are going for a stylish banana shape yeah so i guess you want to hold like the way the end of the banana you want to kind of hold as ma you maybe want to kinda hold like a gun rather than cause you do not want it to point kind of towards the floor yeah right so you know so if you have like what about what about this shape more or less we there is less space on this to put with the buttons i if it i if it has really the model shape of a bana you could the the starting is good but it could it should have more the shape of a banana if you want to point really a at the thing yeah but how many buttons do we need if you do not want to to to do that movement which is which is difficult if you do not have to do it in fact it is better what about a so ti time is running we have to we have to we have to to move forward so let us skip to this this this this idea yeah okay so so we have this so we have a a basis how do you call it the base station a base station right we will have a base station extra on the side okay so i guess we need you know something that can fit a banana shaped object yeah yeah we have a r f for for beeping for beeping that is right yeah we need that yeah we need b r f to beep okay so it is so we that means we need a button on th on the on the basis yeah basis station basis station thank you yeah yeah alright so we need okay can you go quickly please yeah okay so we are going to add also you as you suggested the whee some wheels to control the volumes and channels and your tur turbo turbo button yeah yeah which i think it is it is probably best actually on the on the underneath of the the device so you have turbo button yeah on the th yeah maybe here and the and the wheel a a at the level of the thumb for instance yes yeah so you have the thumb kind of here and and you have 2 wheels so yeah you need 11 here and one on on the other side so you got volume an and channel okay right good and so no l c d no l c d okay great very good okay 0 we need a we need a power on off switch as well yeah for the remote yeah 0 just the switch no f not for the t v for the t v remotes do not have power on off switch yeah okay so you s no that will be controlled by the those buttons will be there already yeah what a where means on the remote on the side because remote is going to have both the interfaces scroll as well as buttons okay they are not going to cost you much everything is in house and now you do not want the traditional users to be apprehensive of this well i dunno if the traditional user is going to buy a a banana remote 0 yeah in the 1st place you know that is that is another issue which i did not think of y i mean you need to kind of keep it but you know our targets are very high means €50000000 is the profit which we want make what about yeah how many of these did we want to sell i can not remember what was 25 125 is the profit on one 25 yeah but how many units did we need to to sell 40 th 4 4000000s 400000 4400000 400000 that is a lot of fruit in the market what about a yeah so well no time is running we have to close the meeting in a few minutes okay so okay the next step you can come back to your seat okay the next step is to go for to f is to go to to building a prototype based on this okay okay so next meeting you guys have to prepare the followi things you have to work on the look and feel design and you have to work on the user interface in fact you 2 you have to work together to model the 1st f 1st prototype marketing expert have to go to product evaluation okay i wo what about adding the this word spotting keyword spotting recognition saying volume up volume down it is too difficult it is too difficult but people like innovation and that is really innovative and i do not know if it would cost a lot just a few 5 words it is not a possi it will not be possible to implement it for the next prototype so t it is in the next prototype so let us skip it okay for the future prototypes yeah maybe for the n if if if it it works well we will go for an orange one that can be the t that can be like the turbo banana +plus commando yeah yeah honor the fruit +plus okay maybe objective banana okay thanks very much we will see n next meeting bye so meeting is over okay yep okay we have to go design the prototype okay okay thank you thank you thank you the problem is after all this meeting there is" ]

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[ "thank you thank you yeah okay okay good afternoon okay good afternoon hope you have good lunch yeah we had falafel 0 nice and you yes i had something similar but non vegetarian okay so today is our 3rd meeting it will be about the conceptual design if i come back to the minutes of the last meetings we decided not to go for speech recognition technologies because of some reasons and we are not decided about the use of the screen on the remote control because of costs so maybe we could we will be able to clarify this question today at the end of the meeting we should take a decision on that point so i hope that your respective presentations will help us so each of you have some presentation to perform who starts okay where you start so marketing so you saved your presentation somewhere yeah so you are 4 4 yeah which is trend watch okay mister marketing experts yeah that is me so good point well i investigate the preference more i investigate deeper the preference of the users and also the current investigation i am sorry the current then current trends yeah okay does not sound okay well what i found can you next slide yeah thank you what i found in order of importance from less to more important is that people want an easy to use device after they want something new technologically speaking but the most what they find more interesting more important it is a fancy look and feel instead of the current train which was the functional look and feel now more cool aspect a cooler aspect rather than a device with many functions and many buttons instead of a device which can do many things a device which is pleasant to watch to see okay also well in paris and milan the current trend of clothes furniture and all this fashion the theme is fruit and vegetables and all this fashion the it is freedom the theme is fruit and vegetables and also in the usa the current the most popular feeling is spongy spongy means epongete so maybe we should think in this direction what do you mean by fruit and vegetables and spongy spongy means clothes fruit vegetables is the new have you seen the last exposition of clothes exposition of clothes in milan no i missed that one yeah i did not miss and i did not miss and i saw that the fruit there are many pictures of fruits and vegetables in the 0 okay so they are not like dressed as a carrot they just have no not yet pictures of fruit on yeah okay so we are not going to have a remote control in the shape of a banana just maybe vegetable textures and all this kind drawings of bananas okay and yeah yeah but what is your suggestion how we can have some shape like that on the remote so this is in the next slide certainly no no it is nothing it is not so which fruit are you thinking of no i have not thought of any particular fruit but the general aspect of the of the remote control may could remind some kind of vegetable some kind of instead of vegetable some natural natural object or something but yeah it depends on the maybe you can display a banana on the lcd i was that you want the remote control to be the shape of a fruit or you want just some kind of like fruit logo on the means buttons are yeah maybe the shape the shape buttons are in the shape of fruits or something apple banana and something like not not not not too much focus not too much focus not not too similar to a fruit because next year the 10 the trend the trend will be different so we should not be a really attached to to the same something that looks half like a fruit and half like an elephant for instance yeah african or a general elephant that we can discuss after that okay i am not really sure if that would really appeal to everyone though maybe you are just to fashion gurus like maybe just like a little bit a little fruit picture somewhere in the corner but i do not know about a i do not know how ergonic is well maybe we should 1st specify what target are we focusing i think in my opinion we should focus on young people because they are more open to new devices and also yeah according to the marketing report 90 95% of young people was was able to to buy a cooler remote control but it is very cool what that is a question what is fruit cool yeah what is the new trend of the well i guess you know apple has their ipod so in much just because they have an apple on the on the product does not mean fruit is cool no i think we we should think about a shape with it a device with the shape of some okay but it has to be easy to use though and to hold you know you do not want a pear or a watermelon do not you think we can find the shape of a fruit which is handy to use probably the only thing is a banana that i can think of a cucumber or maybe too long maybe to green maybe so but i mean you also have to yes also have fit all the buttons and you know it is it yeah the thing is you have to normally with with buttons they have to be at some point attached to a circuit board so if you are going to have things like are on a cylindrical kind of device it may be difficult to kind of to build and it will be loyal i like your idea that we should not have a lot of buttons yeah and you will not have a lot of place to put an lcd on a banana also do you want an lcd with €25 wow you are a marketing expert you should tell us if it is too much or not well according to the report people are more interested in a fancy look and feel than in a technological in a technology in in in in in in in the report people are more interested in in a fancy look and feel than in a technology innovation so i would give more importance to the look and field than rather than the new inputs and also it is i am not convinced about this lcd because you need internet connection you need more things it is not just buying a new control remote you need buying control remote buying more things it is not so simple you are simply looking to a remote control that looks looks like a banana with a few buttons for instance yeah for giving an example yeah okay good so maybe you can go ahead yeah no it is what i already said okay thanks okay i will give the floor so you are user to feed guy so you are 3 yeah and it is this one yep go for it yep okay so next slide okay so i received an email around lunchtime letting me know that the brilliant minds at our technology division have developed an integrated programmable sample center sample speaker unit which is a way for you to have a conversation with your coffee machine and or remote control it is just a speaker right it is no what it is it is not a microphone it has a microphone has a speaker it has got a little chip actually i am not reading microphone there so that is why you cannot have conversation it is just a speak to you sent to sample speaker sample sensor sample speaker it means that it can recognize it can do like a match on a certain phrase that you speak and then can play back a phrase in response to that but there is no kind of understanding of the phrase okay so i mean you know i guess you could build that in you could you could link the recognition of a certain phrase to some function on the remote control but basically the thing is we have this technology available in house so but the thing is obviously there is still going to be a cost if you decided to integrate that because you still have to pay for the production of the components so it is it but it basically means we can kind of consider this from our you know you know a theoretical or usability kind of viewpoint without worrying too much about you know how to develop it because we have this already done plus you know some people might get annoyed if we just dump it something that i am clearly understanding is this a technology that recognize keywords speech keywords it is not well it will recognize i guess keywords but you know keywords in a certain order like a phrase you train it for a certain phrase you say the example they said that they have up and running with their prototype is well they actually integrate into the coffee machine that we are producing is you can say good morning the coffee machine and you can recognize that phrase and it will play back good morning how would you like your coffee it is just to play back something yeah so actually that was a bad example because it does not actually ask how do you want your coffee because you can not really understand the response yeah so this is not really to do control only in the sense that it can recognize a set target kind of word it is just more like a design as a fun kind of thing but i guess you could use it as a way to implement a it is an easy a fancy thing that you can bring to we can bring to the remote control that we not have completely pointless yeah yeah completely pointless for the form from the interaction point of view yeah unless you know you like having conversation with your remote control okay can we use it for saying okay channel 50 well yeah that is the thing if you can but you have to pro i think it is a fairly simple design so you would have to record into the device every possible combination you have to train it to learn channel 50 that whole thing not just the word channel and the word 15 does not have that kind of logic in it so this is much more than taking this technology bringing it to the remote control yeah there would be some development work so this is out of discussion so if it is something that you can we can bring easily and to put it into the banana remote control man do banana man no banana then it could be cool yeah okay let us go ahead i do not think it is worth it though i think it does not really add much to the functional design and it is not mature enough to use as a speech recognition engine so yeah so if we can just move on to the next slide i have just done a quick mock up of some of the features of our potential funky looking it does not look like a banana huh at all well you see i was i was unaware at this point of the fruit focus yeah so at the moment looks like a box focus look like now you can a tropical fruit yeah yeah well this is actually this could be a genetically engineered for it that is designed to be you know square so that it packs tighter in the boxes but i have just indicated here we could have actually 2 scroll wheels because i think the scroll wheel is a fairly key part of you know i think everyone has agreed that it is a that it could be quite a useful thing but i think it is important to have 2 scroll wheels because you want one for the channel but you also want one for the volume because the volume is very handy for it to have an instant kind of feedback and response but i have also included this turbo button because i think every design should have a turbo button what is a turbo button well see this is a unique problem with televisions is that if you have this scroll wheel for the television the tuner in the tv is not going to be able to switch between stations as fast as you can scroll so you know the person might want to have a might want to be able to scroll past television stations without seeing what is on them in which case it just waits until you stop scrolling and then you know displays that station or they might want to scroll and have a quick glimpse of it even if it lags behind what they are doing so i thought it controls the speed yeah so with the turbo button you can say skip over channels if you know if i am going if i am scrolling past them and you know it is you could have a little red light that comes up when they press it so they feel you know it is really going fast or whatever so yeah that is this is the 2 important features i think we need on the remote but i mean we can discuss about what other kind of buttons we need you know it could be you know if we want to have like a very cheap kind of device i mean we could even consider that maybe we want to sell this as a very if it is going to be a banana you know it is a pretty gimmicky kind of thing that does not have that much functionality it is just you know a couple of scroll wheels in a button because it is hard to get so many buttons on the banana and it is still very it may even be for most for some people more functional than their current remote but if they have these scroll wheels so you know what other buttons do we want i mean we could have well i guess you need on and off switch but you could turn it on by taking the top off the banana maybe it is kind of like a spike and a flick thing sounds crazy i like crazy ideas that is why you are our marketing guru so it looks like we are going completely to forget about the lcd thing well that is the thing as we decided that we can only spend €25 i think well not spend but you know charge €25 i think we could use somehow the coffee machine dialog interface or no we can not use that you can we can not use that to to command communicate it is just a fit we can say channel 25 channel 25 no no but then you have to have a template for every channel for 100 channels you have to be able to recognize it is not a lot 100 templates well i think it is probably more than our chip can handle because it is designed for a coffee machine you know to say hello in the morning ah it is designed for a coffee machine well that is its current application i would presume that it is kind of they would not design it to handle 100 things yeah so maybe you could ask you you could ask the engineering department yeah good thing you want to move to your slides you are finished well i just made the point i do not know that speech recognition is you know even if we can do it i think it is not really appropriate for television environment but i did have one thing from a previous meeting you were talking about being able to find the remote control and i was talking about extending being able to extend the remote control by having you know a base station that can control other things as well it might be useful to have some kind of base station even if it is just you press on a button on it and the remote control starts beeping you know this is a way of finding the remote in that case maybe the speech recognition the speech thing could be useful just to say i am here but it is probably a bit of overkill if you could just have a so it is a speech synthesis kind of thing something has been stored and it is just spoken out it is speech synthesis and speech kind of not really speech recognition but yeah kind of pattern that is matching well good idea yeah very good okay let us move on so you are 2 that is right okay this is going to be about the component design so 1st thing is we need power source for the remote control so i was of the idea that we can have 2 kind of power supplies one is the usual batteries which are there they could be chargeable batteries if there is a base station kind of thing and on top of that we can have solar cells when the lighting conditions are good they can be used so it will be pretty innovative kind then we need plastic with some elasticity so that if the remote control falls it is not broken directly into pieces there should be some flexibility in i guess that fits in with the spongy kind of design philosophy yeah so we should think of something like that and then it should be double curve the sites for the ease of handling and there are some other issues why we need double curve then controls for the traditional users we can have the push buttons so that they do not feel that it is an alien thing for them so just 12nd when you say double curve what do you actually mean you reckon you could like draw us the thing on the on the whiteboarder i am sure you have curves on both the sides if i am right so it is a symmetrical kind of thing whatever it is okay but like kind of convex so it could be convex concave depending on what we want okay so there are flats there are single curve and there are double curves these are the 3 things and there are different materials with plastic you can have double curve but with certain other materials we cannot have double curve so there was there were many other materials like wood titanium and all those things but plastic is i think is the most appropriate one it will bring the cost on and anyway also you know wood could be a quite a stylish option if you take like nice quality kind of wood that has got a nice grain and you kind of put some some there is no elasticity which wooden pieces well it depends i mean you have the outs the wood itself is not going to break so you do not have to worry too much about the case being broken inside yeah but inside you know you can still have some kind of cushioning that is not visible to the to the user it is very too expensive to do yeah but i mean you could also you can have just a very thin veneer of wood as well yeah but it is more easier to do a banana in plastic than in wood that is true but are we set on the banana idea actually it looks like it is like we are targeting that yeah the shape of a banana is not it is not really handy yes it is i do not know the name in english it is not a fruit it is a vegetable it is like a pumpkin or yeah pumpkin green green yes i see what does it taste like pelleoni ah yeah is it what is it in french poiveon okay so capsicum or pepper pepper pepper but and it also switched with the double cure for easy of i do not know it seems a little bit kind of bulky to me no i mean in a it is not true you think it is really fancy and fun you think that young people are i am sure it is fun more than in banana but banana is not so handy so handy i think that is handy as compared to this i think and to capsicum but you know like a banana you can you can be holding like this and have the scroll wheel kind of on top and just roll it back and forth like that but with a i do not know how you would hold the capsicum and it is really ergonomic it is fits in the hand and you had a lot of surface to put the controls okay let us move all right so post time is running let us move okay so push buttons for the traditional users so that they do not feel they are alignated just and a scroll button with push technology for channel selection volume control and teletext browsing these are the 3 scroll buttons which are already available with us in the company and we can go ahead with that okay yeah we can go to the next slide then there are different kinds of chips one is the basic chip and then regular chip and then an advanced chip so we can have regular chip for control pricing is a factor for us that is why we will go for the regular chip and regular chip supports speaker support so this functionality could be used for tracing the mobile phone which has been misplaced so is that when you say speaker is report you mean it just has some output pins which which kind of it could be a beep kind of thing okay but the speaker is actually attached to the chip in some way or is it just the signal yes yes that is right it is onto the chip most probably not 100% so are there any issues where we place this chip to make sure you can actually hear the speaker from the outside of the banana that will be the volume control i think which which a user should it should be already predefined it should be whatever be the case the chip is always going to be sitting inside yeah but the speaker if the speaker is actually on the chip then if it is too far away from the casing or if the casing is too thick then you may not hear the speaker so we can have it at one of the boundaries so that things are slightly better as far as hearing is concerned or we can have some gap at some place so there is something you have to keep in mind with the actual physical design is to keep the speaker close enough to the other side yeah so these were the component selection in these things we can go to the next slide and these were the findings which i saw with the web that user wants to have connection wants to have control more than one device wants to control more than one device from the same remote control so our tv remote can have little extra things to support additional devices like vcr dvd players which are usually attached with the tv because users are like this that they do not want to have one remote control for everything so with this additional little we might be having slightly better market for us it depends if we like if we are concentrating on like a fruit design then maybe we want to sell a collection fruit you know like a different fruit for each device because you know that sometimes people like to collect other more objects i think that would be funny at the beginning but after one month you will be tired of be surrounded of fruit well you are the one who wanted to do fruit in the no but i think just one free to control everything like a power fruit a power a mando fruit and as far as i could see on the web that scroll button is becoming really a hot thing yeah and we should have it on the remote i did not understand really well this trace speaker lost control so you are having a base station okay you are usually your remote sits on that so you and it is that is why it can have chargeable batteries now let us say you you have to buy 2 things the banana and the base station it is based station is with the thing is for the thing you bought the wall thing it is like a telephone handset is there and the base station for the telephone handset is there so now what user gets additionally he does not have to buy batteries they are rechargeable batteries so all the period of time he will recover the cost so you are having the base station and there is a button if you press that button wherever the remote it will start beeping so you know where the remote is i think it is a pretty handy feature yeah i think it is kind of people would find it worth it even if it was not a recharging station even if they did not have to buy extra batteries you know yeah but i am a bit worried about the budget this is base station is nothing more just it is a wire which is coming from the main cable and you are having one socket on which the things are although you do need to include rf kind of circuitry and the remote but all these things are usually in house so we do not have much problems so component cost is going to be the least anyway we are not using very advanced technology lct has already been ruled out asr has been ruled out so it is the basic thing but very trendy and very user friendly i am just wondering actually because this whole fruit thing with the banana it seemed like at 1st seems a bit kind of niche like only a few people would really want a banana but what if it was kind of a stylized banana you know rather than having it kind of you know yellow and really looking exactly like a banana he could make it kind of silver and you know to give you kind of the idea of a banana but without it looking you know completely kitsch one of a better word you know you think that yellow is kitsch well you know i do not know how many people you should make something that looks like a banana you should have the color of a banana yeah otherwise it will miss otherwise you do not get maybe like that it is neither a banana nor yeah like this color this color maybe you know maybe like still in the shape of a banana roughly no exactly exactly but you know just maybe maybe not exactly the same texture as a banana and just kind of you know because the thing is it is going to be a little bit difficult to make to give like the texture of banana anyway and to have the exact shape i think if you are going to not be able to do it properly you may as well do it in a stylized way that just looks a bit more kind of you know 21st century rather than 60s or 70s okay let us move on going to the last slide yeah before i think the meeting i would like to draw some sketch about the future prototype go for it okay well no not you you can finish your slides okay so anyway users will be so the findings is users will be very interested in our located to find their misplaced remotes okay so that was very i thought it is a very good suggestion by everybody okay that is all okay so well done for the presentations so we need to take some decisions about what we are going to do so i propose that you go to the whiteboard yeah and we are going to report all the ideas we had during these presentations just to draw some sketch about what will be the final product and our super mango banana and with the basis extra functionalities such as the wheels the speaker unit well in order not to lost the device i do not remember what you call it the base station basis station yeah so so we are going for a stylish banana shape yes so i guess you want to hold like the way the end of the banana you want to kind of hold you maybe want to kind of hold like a gun rather than because you do not want to have to point kind of towards the floor right so you know so if you have like what about what about this shape more or less there is less space on this to put the buttons if it yeah if it has really but the starting is good but it could it should have more the shape of banana if you want to point really i just think if you do not want to to do that movement which is which is difficult if you do not have to do it in fact it is better so time is running we have to we have to move forward so so let us skip to this this this this id yeah okay so so we have this we have a basis how do you call it already the base station a base station we will have a base station extra on the side okay so i guess we need you know something that can fit a banana shaped object yeah yeah we have rf for beeping that is right we need rf to beep so that means we need a button on the basis yeah basis station basis station thank you alright so we need okay can you go quickly please okay so we are going to add also as you suggested some wheels to control the volumes and channels and your turbo turbo voltage yeah the double button i think it is probably best actually on the underneath of the device so you have yeah maybe here and the wheel at the level of the thumb for instance yeah so you have the thumb kind of here and you have 2 wheels so yeah you need 11 here and one on on the other side okay right so you get volume and channel good and so no lcd no lcd okay great very good okay well we need it we need to power on off switch as well yeah for the remote yeah but just remotes do not have power no for the tv for the tv for the tv okay so you know that will be controlled by the those buttons will be there already here where means on the side because remote is going to have both the interfaces scroll as well as buttons they are not going to cost you much everything is in house and now you do not want the traditional users to be apprehensive of this well i do not know if the traditional user is going to buy a banana remote 0 in the 1st place that is that is another issue which i mean you think of you need to kind of keep it but you know our targets are very high means 50000000 euros is the profit which we want what about yeah how many of these did we want to sell i can not remember 5 125 is the profit on one yeah but how many units did we need to to sell what 40 for 4000000400000 4000000400000 that is a lot of fruit yeah in the market so well no time is running we have to close a meeting in a few minutes so okay the next step you can come back to use it the next step is to go to building a prototype based on this okay okay so next meeting you guys have to prepare the following things you have to work on the look and feel design and you have to work on the user interface in fact you 2 you have to work together to model the 1st prototype a marketing expert has to go to product evaluation okay what about adding this word spotting keyword spotting recognition saying volume up volume down it is too difficult it is too difficult but people like innovation and that is really an innovative and i do not know if it would cost a lot just a few 5 wars it is not a possible to implement it for the next prototype so it is in the next prototype so let us keep it okay for the future prototypes yeah maybe for the if it works well we will go for that can be the turbo banana plus yeah yeah another fruit maybe objective banana okay thanks very much we will see next meeting so meeting is over yeah we have to go design the prototype okay thank you thank you thank you the problem is after all this meeting there is down it is a meeting today i am going to" ]

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yeah what that is difficult yeah yeah feedback okay okay alt delete yeah format format save so it does not draw the attention away this is dreadful yeah i made my own map no not this but the task 0 yeah sure it is a you have playstation also yeah yeah no that is okay no i just flapped it closed it took it here and then this happened ah where was it in settings okay alright thank you huh do you guys like your tasks yeah yeah i spent a lot of time thinking about what i was going to do and then a couple of minutes before this i get my function you know the information that i need yeah wa wa you actually yeah yeah so frustrating but it it is not clear what you have to to to type type in your presentation so yeah i i had a whole idea and then just was typing it and then 0 yeah i have to do that so switch yeah exactly this presentation is mainly based on my own ideas cause i had not time to intergrate tha the information yet so yeah really annoying okay so there we are again by your humble p m yeah okay this is the agenda we have 3 presentations i heard really yeah really so who wants to start yeah that is fine yeah we have to start it right away yeah functional this is you yeah functional requirements kay alright i am going to talk about functional requirements well some research has be done has been done observing of 100 subjects in the usability lab using a remote control and they also filled in a questionnaire the findings were well you can see them for yourself they disliked the look and feel of current remotes controls users think they are ugly they do not match the the operating behavior of the users so they they d they do not match what they want to have on it they are often lost somewhere in the room it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control and they are bad for r s i i do not know how a user can reach that but okay there is also was also some research on the most relevant and and and irrelevant f functions ts most irrelevant and less used were audio settings mono stereo pitch bass screen settings for brightness and color and stuff like that but they are used i mean the so they do need to be in the yeah they do need to be on the on the remote control yeah i mean if you can not control the the sound settings i mean if you dislike a very loud bass or something you you need to change that alright so yeah we have to often by the way my t v does not have an equ equalizer but okay we c we c yeah i mean w we can not my my t v has but we we can leave them away next generation does no alright most relevant most used functions they speak for themselves i guess power button channel volume selection teletext but we can skip that because i saw the newsflash and teletext is so outdated that it it is i should not be used any more in the future n not used anymore so forget this one okay channel settings so for programming your channels in in the right order by the way where did you guys get that newsflash from yeah yeah i did not get anything yeah on on the project i was wondering yeah not by mail i receiv the mail but you do not so no so it is a text file n in the project folder but you you have got more information than so teletext can be skipped that is in the presentation so alright there was some research on new features in a remote control about an l c d screen and speech recognition well we got an update for the for the audience or the the the targeted group so it is above 40 i guess below i believe the new product or below because that is pretty relevant yeah below 40 i thought i read a our current customers are in the age group 40 plus yeah and the new product should reach new markets which is the customers below 40 below okay well that is that is in the newsfla okay that is a good to know but where did you get that information that is in a newsflash okay because you see see a clear distinction between the age groups concerning the features yeah i mean above 40 people are not so interested not so interested in a screen or speech recognition but below that age they they pretty much are so i think we can build that in yeah well we can skip this part as well because i thought i read above 40 so we could skip the features but we just have to build them in because they find it very interesting well we have to keep all the classic functions but make the buttons as user friendly as possible and and also there is so not only the design of the bus buttons but 0 how you can push them and stuff like that so the physical aspect of it and i think and certainly for for the for the lower age groups nice design which does not make the remote control in your room it is it is actually a part of your interior of of your design in your room yeah so it is the people can say well what is that well that is my remote control so it is d it has to look nice and feel nice and and have all the functions that yeah but it also needs to have corporate identity yeah so the the logo has to be present yeah and the colors as well present and the colors so we can not change much of that do we have yeah yeah so but i i do not think that is that is a problem because the thing has to have a color anyway and most of the times there is a brand present on it yeah so i think that is not going to going to affect it very very much yeah okay well that are the the consequences on a marketing part alright yes kay okay it is open already so you can use to find yours it is f 5 f 5 okay go jurgen 0 what is this 0 no how do i you pressed alt f 4 no no no i pressed the mouse button 0 great it is th that is the self destruct button yeah yeah maybe you can do it from your computer so talk us through it okay okay yeah if you all go stand around just yeah yeah computer sure alright that is nice no f 5 yeah yeah okay alright i had 2 examples this one is the the yeah the advanced one with a lot of options and functions and buttons this the easy one i think we have to to combine them yeah yeah and yeah merge the best functions of all examples yeah but yeah the the age is under 40 the yeah yeah and and and marketing research stated that that that kind of users are not afraid of of a lot of functions so we okay so so we have the option for more functions so not not too much but yeah yeah and we do have to integrate the screen and the the speech alright and the speech recognition yeah yeah yeah yeah this this one we can remove for kids it is just only for adults so we can use some advanced options yeah from age of 16 so yeah but yeah but i prefer we we use the the basic options yeah we have to to make them very easy so for just zapping around the channels you can just push one button but if you want to to use your your video recorder or something else you should use use an an advanced option yeah but the the newsflash also stated that it should control only one device only your television okay one device yeah okay so n it is very easy so w i did not see okay and i also yeah now yeah it is okay so there are not extra options in this case but okay w yeah we have to make it fashionable yeah like you said before yeah yeah the basic functions yeah only use a extra function if they are really needed yeah so maybe you can hide them or something yeah yeah yeah well what what we can do with the screen is is all the the configuration options you can put that in the screen yeah you make a screen menu or something and the and the yeah screen menu to to to to do that and then the basic function just on the device itself yeah yeah so it looks very simple and all the advanced features are hidden in the screen with a clear menu yeah and the other oth other functionality is the screen yeah what does the screen do did i did i break it alright what are wh yeah it is low power what so what does the screen do they said they needed it but what does it do what do they want with the screen for for the advanced functions i think yeah that is what we make it up yeah well it yeah it did not it did not say what they want to do with the screen so but what did the marketing no well i my guess is it is it is pretty handy for advanced advanced functions yeah okay it is handy with no predefined like searching for channels and yeah searching for channels programming them ah look we have your 0 never mind yeah we are back online okay that is i am al i am almost finished so the we have to to to watch out for the i if we make it f very fashionable it it the functional functionality will go down okay so we have to make a compromise between functionality and fashional fashionable yeah content and form content and form yeah yeah now that that was was the end that was the end yeah okay yes okay well my presentation is a bit sucky well you can improvise right which one is it technical functions yeah a little bit no this one no no functional requirements yeah i think that would be it then no so we we can go for i have no idea you did not put it in or that w it is not really english let me check i know kick off 0 working design i got it yeah so we can go for the look and feel of the the left example and then a screen on top of it here you go alright how do i skip pages just press yeah the keys yeah yeah yeah alright yeah well i was working on this before i got my information so i was just working off the top of my head and using my colin common knowledge about remote controls and well the info on the website which came too late so i did not really know what kind of functions we had to put into it yet so this is basically an overview of what we discussed in our last meeting those were my starting points i was working on a s yeah on a schedule and i was supposed to do it like this but yeah then the information came and it was kind of exact with all the steps in the remote control that i had to follow so i was trying to organize them for myself and then make the the design a the actual design but i never came around to do that design design yeah yeah so i am not really sure what i am supposed to say about it okay i mean everything speaks for itself i guess mean you press a button the it tru goes it sends a signal to a chip which translates it into infrared signal of certin spatial frequencies yeah frequency yeah and or temporal fr frequencies actually and then through a transformer it the signal gets boosted and then sent to the to the receiver on the t v and the t v will translate it into a function yeah decoder yeah well this was actually all i got around to do blank yeah yeah yeah okay i mean i dunno if i am too slow for this stuff but work harder okay shou should we make a list of the of all the functions we want yeah whatever yeah yeah we want to incorporate in into it yeah kay for those that did not see yet the basic new requirements of the management were no teletext only for t v it should be designed for a use g group below 40 but i do not think it is w wrong if we can target the current customer group as well and the corporate identity should be clear in the design of the remote control and we have to decide on the functions and on the let us see what was it the target group we have to make be clear what that is group of users or because it says below 40 i mean yeah users yeah so i think it is easy but i guess that is that is the tar yeah or male and female but it is it is also for children or just 6 the marketing research started on s on the age of 16 yeah it is below 40 so we can decide where to okay 16 to 2525 to 3535 to 45 something like that okay okay so so below 40 is okay but we need an lower level which to s focus how do you mean so is it from 16 to 40 is it from 20 to 40 is it from 30 16 to 40 yeah yeah well i i guess people of 16 are are quite used to technology we we have to kay yeah so they they adapt to it pretty soon i guess and if we have a larger public we have yeah more options to to sell our product yeah yeah so what we might want to do is yeah cust i have customized the screen functions if you know what i mean the younger users are more acquainted with these kind of machines so they can use more advanced functions but maybe elderly people do not understand it so well so they need a simpler remote design and yeah that you can choose what the design displays or wha whatever yeah that is that is why i wanted to to make yeah 2 different yeah groups of functions the the simple functions for for the the whole public and the the advanced options for the younger people yeah who are more yeah experienced with yeah and maybe y experienced yeah but all incorporated in the screen or or just on the remote itself na i w i should put the the yeah the extra advanced options on the onto the onscreen display yeah like like you have a visual of the of the brightness with with a kind of sliding bar and a bus and and stuff like that for sound and and vis and and visuals yeah yeah yeah yeah so is you should have a menu for all the the functions you do not use regular and which are you can make a if you make a drawing yeah yeah aye yeah shall i black is okay and draw it very big 0 yeah it is okay yeah no it does not have line control so yeah yeah we get the yeah well this is basically it is alright the remote the remote the remote yeah well usually the power button is on top i guess basic is on top which should be easy easily reached with the thumb yeah so it should fit right in into your hand yeah l left top or right top right t i s should said right right top yeah right right i most people are right handed so maybe left handed special addition but okay because yeah okay yeah definitely if you put it like like here or something i dunno then you could put a screen like on a mobile phone also on top i guess yeah but if you are using the the normal functions the the basic functions you normally press them on the u yeah do the also with the thumb so it should be a little bit longer so that you can put your thumb also reach the middle or you should screen at the bottom and then you can see it very clearly okay so y yeah you have you have it in your hand and the screen is below and the buttons are in the middle you you need to be able to hold it so yeah okay for example if you put the screen here it is more about the functions now than the than the layout yeah yeah okay that is true layout that is for the does not work too well it is it is bent i can not help it you broke it yeah yeah right man yeah okay okay you get it for example if y if you put all the right you want the normal piece of paper and you have a pen yeah and might be easier huh maybe this kind of works yeah like if you have like 10 buttons for for all the for all the channels and here one for for and the for flipping up and down yeah yeah and volume control yeah that that usually like here here here here yeah i yeah so you have up and down for the for the channels and left and right for the volume yeah and left to right and those can also be used for the menu yeah exactly i thought but this is really your department that we need just the functional display and 4 cursors yeah yeah yeah yeah okay but this is function so if you can use them for multiple things and you you have most of the time you have one button in the middle and yeah okay it says menu for the menu yeah and then if you press it you the screen gets activated and then you can use these buttons to scroll up and down and left and right to go into functon and then just mo most of the time this menu button is also like okay yeah yeah to to confirm a a kind of action yeah so you scroll into it okay you select a function like v like bass you just adjust it with these 2 buttons yeah then okay to confirm and then on on each on each screen there is there should be an option to go back to a to a upper level and then finally say okay exit or or one button to exit it yeah in one time i dunno that is not really my department and do we need a a logo on our remote control or that is more your your department to to to yeah yeah but it should be if the screen is here then the logo should be like on on top yeah on the left top yeah i mean it is okay yeah but that depends on where you put the screen but it is essential that there is a screen yeah yeah i mean the position of the screen is also more essential than i mean we we look where we have space left and then put the logo over there yeah and for the speech recognition part if we want to incorporate that we need a microphone but yeah so it should be i mean if you have it in your hand here should be on top somewhere maybe yeah this would be why did we want to put the display in the bottom i mean i no that is not s sure so we need a display that is not sure but it is okay yeah may maybe because you are because yeah if you use the functions your hand will block the display yeah okay but only for the basic functi if you are going to use the advanced option you are going to press the the menu button and then yeah yeah i mean a screen on top looks more lo logical to me normal for logical t also because people use m mobile phones and they also have the screen on top yeah yeah yeah they are used to it okay the yeah so you you just have to reach a little bit for the power button that is possible yeah i mean if you grab it on once it is on it is on but most most of the times if a if if a t v is on standby people just press a channel to put it on you do not need the power button yeah okay okay we put it on top so we put this on top and then make the corporate logo yeah like over here r r and j and the microphone i mean it can be very small if you look at your mobile phones are some stripes little little holes yeah maybe on the top or even on the side yeah maybe on the side i mean if the if the microphone is good yeah but then it is possible that you cover it with your hand so true yeah okay yeah so on the on the top is better i think that top is the best option but if you if you hold the ma the remote like this if you put it on the top on the side i dunno yeah okay should be able to work yeah depends on the sensitivity of the microphone but i think that is okay never mind can we leave this up to you yeah it does not matter that much so but the screen is on top which functions did we have left i mean this is basically numbers volume channel up and down volume up channel up and down and the control of the advanced options screen is over there yeah yeah so maybe it we should decide what advanced options we want to put in the l c d screen if we yeah that is that is a good one yeah so we we needed to integrate the sound and and image options right yeah yeah so sounds like bass so we need kind of an equalizer sound if you yeah equalizer so if you have sound but not too advanced i mean most t v s use only treble and bass yeah it it is just a remote control so yeah and they are yeah treble middl middle bass or something they are not used often so yeah yeah it is pretty hard to write ah as yeah just okay but you have sound yeah sounds yeah just 0 y you have digital better write it down over there yeah yeah of course so you have sound i am just a secretary yeah coffee yeah sound and then within sound i guess treble and bass yes please treble bass the mono stereo option yeah and there there was something else also also and then pitch pitch i believe yeah pitch yeah but pitch is not that yeah that is the the height of the tone yeah the fr yeah the frequency of the tones yeah yeah okay wh why would you use that yeah and mono stereo yeah is not that that depends on the on the signal of the of what program you are watching if people like talk like yeah and also the tuning part programming part yeah programming so we have sound yeah so channel programming channel programming and yeah in the functionality of the television itself no no of the remote do do we want the buttons to make sound when you press them as a confirmation or whatever you know i dunno i think it g it gets annoying i mean most mobile phones used that in the beginning but yeah we we could make an option for it but you can disable s under the a yeah advanced option menu you can put those things yeah but the the television itself has also the the options brightness and screen color etcetera yeah so yeah contrast yeah yeah but people do not want to sit on their knees on their knees in front of their television with only 3 buttons then it is very hard to y yeah contrast and brightness no so contrast yeah bright yeah those are the most used i guess if you look at your monitor and the others were in your presentation right so i can just copy those well yeah well i guess that these were the only ones i guess okay it is easy yeah but so we have we have t v options which is all this i will look it up yeah the button options and the l c d options the sound sound and image and you have in that the indeed the remote control options indeed yeah so we need 2 menus kind of thing yeah you have basically a button menu which you can use directly according to the old principle huh and the l c d options are activated by some some software options thats communicates with the infrared decoder yeah yeah with the chip and then i mean so you yeah you have an additional processor and and software part well yeah we have power button whether that is present alright compared to 0 channel volume selection present numbers present yeah a audio settings mono stereo pitch bass treble l s yeah screen settings brightness and color color yeah i i call it contrast yeah con contrast is yeah i make it c color yeah okay color and brightness yeah and what you say channel settings or channel programming so you you have an option to to start scanning all the frequencies and when it encounters one well it shows on your t v yeah and automatically and then you can and then you can select a number in your remote on which you want to save it yeah so i have g channel program is autoseek yeah autoseek name a channel or well most t v s automatically display the name which they get through the cable 0 they get automatic names okay yeah so you only have to choose the position on your it only has to match the the channel frequency on your t v with with the with the position on your t v and and so your remote yeah yeah but can you also say i want f veronica on the channel number 5 or help if you already programmed it yeah if you want to move it yeah yeah that should be possible too how do you call that yeah how do you call that wait you you should be able to to browse through a list or something which w displays all the all the values all the channels which are possible channels yeah i mean like one to f 30 of or 90 or whatever 99 or something yeah just browse through it and then in some kind of way see if it if it if it is programmed s swap channels can i call it that yeah swap channels swap is good option okay other functions so you most of the time if you if you swap it s let us say for example you have r t l 5 on on channel 5 and veronica on channel 8 and you want to move veronica to channel 5 most of the times you override the previous the previous one okay well that is is up to mister user interface designer yeah it is it is pretty yeah i mean you have to look on on the menu okay working design on the t v also doch that is you are he only has to figure out how it has to look and how yeah but also which buttons you have to press to get a certain result yeah to use and the working design was to specify how ph the physical interation between the components was as i believe yeah okay but yeah you did your homework but yeah or or is it too hard to to ju to just do it all on your remote okay to program the channels no no no i do not think so no that is it should be able to do any remote but i think the communication with the television is difficult but that is not our part yeah no we do not have to design a protocol so no that is true that is true thank god yeah okay so we have a figure a figure out a way to to do that easily i mean th the autoseek is is not a problem i mean you you current channel and then then it just says on which number do you want to save this no that is the and you just press a number on your remote and then say confirm okay and then it is it is saved it is easier it is it is it is harder to if you have already programmed it to to swap yeah so we have to think of something for that so but the user interface designer can design a menu for all these function i put them on the yeah k kind of structure into layers on the yeah can you i make a a map with with all the yeah cause it is now there are lots and lots of documents yeah yeah i can and i will just try to reorganize things so so you design the basic function menu for the l c d screen and and the layout of of the thing itself i think th i think the yeah the layout of the screen and i think you can concentrate more on the button placement and the placement of the screen itself on the the the layout of the remote control is not that more the the u the user interface part no i d i think that is more in all the functional aspects of the remote i think are in my department maybe more on yeah yeah i have to know what it has to do so if you want to you know the changing the channels kind of s thing is i have to integrate that in the design okay so he is layout and you are function yeah form function okay i think that is a that is a good separation okay but do i have to to to yeah to make the the menu layout also or yeah are you going to do that yeah yeah i guess so yeah i i am going to make yeah 0 okay i think i that is your department yes because w he already knows what yeah yeah we have to kind of work together yeah if if i make the the the yeah the menu like yeah but we are not allowed i have to state which function has to be in the menu and then you have to decide it is in a in a way that b is user friendly yeah okay y you you are going to make a list of what functions are are going to to be on the the screen the menu screen yeah yeah and i am going to make a a nice menu with with pages and yeah yeah yeah i think yeah with with some l with some layers in it so some menus yeah and also make clear which buttons to press to get certain result because that is always the difficulty yeah every device has its own yeah yeah well i guess this this button the the the okay menu okay menu okay yeah or you can incorporate 2 difference different buttons like for your mobile phone so this is only for to get in the menu or to exit it and then one to confirm and one to go one step back back yeah so it is like the the save button on your your mobile phone if you have a nokia or like that or the or the no button to go one step back you it is only 2 extra buttons but if it if it is very clear that they are for the screen yeah w we i think we have to to group to make 2 groups the one group for the for the display and one group for the basic functions and yeah yeah but they are incorporated yeah okay but we we have a m yeah but maybe that is that is not yeah if you are if you are z zapping with your yeah remote control yeah because this this is used for both up and down is smart you can press the the menu button and then you are suddenly into the the yeah the display into your screen okay so you l should leave the menu button out of here you want to separate yeah and and just put it under the screen the screen put it on top yeah j just just group group the yeah we make these the advanced functions and these the basic functions yeah so we make a yeah a line between them but we should place the screen on top right well f 0 yeah okay yeah we swap okay but that is j jurgen is department yeah yeah yeah so we make it a you just you just find out and you just make the layout okay you do we do the extra 2 buttons or not i think you should yeah it is easier if you put too many functions in one button it gets confusing yeah okay yeah yeah that is true so we have a a menu button and a s and to okay and back also yeah okay okay and back button yeah or confirm and back and of course the 4 arrows whatever yeah no but those are still y doubly used should we save this picture or or you know what it looks like both the l c d yeah i am i am not s clear about the the extra 2 buttons we have a menu button and yeah yeah that that just to to activate the screen that is the the one with the yeah okay so menu button access the menu in the l c d screen and then with these buttons woa y you navigate you can navigate okay but you can also navigate the channels and the volume okay so that that is not yeah that those are those are both both yeah multifunctional hey is it interesting for users if we put led lights under the buttons so that if you press on the menu function that only the buttons that are used for the menu are ligh li light up yeah l l litten up yeah yeah that is very good idea 05 minutes n alright yeah that is a good idea because then it becomes clear which buttons are active now which you can use light yeah and then it is also easier to integrate several functions in one button yeah sure yeah okay yeah so anything else those buttons are are lit up i think not but just one thing should we use those 2 them or only this to to scroll and then use the 2 functional buttons to confirm to go into something i have 0 no we have to use this to adjust some some bars volume yeah yeah keep it optional cause maybe you can you know go left to right and up and down in a in one menu yeah and maybe we should use this also as an okay button still and then just only a back button well we have those buttons no the pr the problem with the okay button in the middle is sorry we use all 4 yeah okay go ahead yeah sorry is if you are pressing up and down you can easily press the okay once you when you are not already at your choice yeah yeah so maybe make 11 okay button and and one navigation button and one back yeah that was already decided yeah the with with the the channel and the volume yeah m a multifunctional navigation button okay that is what we decided earlier on yeah okay yeah right okay yeah so yeah i want to close down you want to close down huh yeah i have to sorry yeah that is okay it is not because i do not like you but yh we have lunch break and then we can work for 30 minutes already and i have to write very fast to make the minich min minutes yeah and then we will see alright how m how long is the lunchbreak i do not know we have to ask nobody told me okay but do we have to write to write down the our stuff now or 1st lunchbreak no i th believe there is 1st lunch break because i i have everything in my head now so yeah or you can just okay yeah yeah kay yes kay i think you can put the laptop back in the room and this is yeah yeah yes sir time pressure kay yeah it is a lot of pressure yeah sorry for my not finished presentation that is okay 0 yeah 0 no no yeah we will kick your ass later bring it on no i do not know if it works but it should be saved aye y you saved it does it save automatically in the project folder or yeah it is okay we will see just put back my laptop should be here smart board alright do not know if you can use it but okay yeah you can open it with the picture preview or stuff like that and we have to make some maps with with the all the the data we gathered yeah i try to organize it by these 3 it is it is just my own map so i put everything into the yeah yeah yeah i do not really mind i just put the minutes here and we will see but you got some extra information yeah that is in the functional design folder okay yeah yeah that is just basically what i just showed but where do you did you get the newsflash yeah yeah i got it by yeah you are the only one okay internet i am going to get kicked if i do not do it so okay alright alright yeah make me proud i will try to so 1st we have a lunchbreak now yeah alright i believe so just ask i dunno where she" ]

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[ "no yeah okay you all saw the news flash yeah i just saw it one minute ago i do not know i did not see it yet i think yeah did i miss something yeah pretty much received an email so i thought i i can mail you so i thought i just dropped it in the phone hey what is wrong with my computer is it unlocked it is a look it is ake not a good instillings yeah that is my presentation i kind of open it a lot what the i think you have to change your desktop size okay everybody ready not really sorry the computer is not finished yes yes yes okay where do i find this i am not so good display huh display and then perille i am not sure i have you read a new flash okay no what was it about or is there some pressing yeah my computer is not functioning properly 0 no press you plug in the power cable when you come back yeah yeah no but my screen is reduced in size what it is difficult yeah yeah yeah feedback okay okay okay okay okay cool delete yeah form up for not for that is safe form let us see yeah so it does not draw the attention away it is stressful man i made my own map no not this but the task yeah that is okay did you change anything about this no i just flapped it closed it took it here and then this happened where was it it is the other way it is where was it it is settings well i call me when it is at me okay all right thank you do you guys like your tasks yeah yeah i spent a lot of time thinking about what i was going to do and then a couple of minutes before this i get my function you know the information that i need yeah so frustrating so yeah i had a whole idea and then just and just typing it and then 0 i have to do that yeah exactly this presentation is mainly based on my own ideas because i had not time to integrate that information yet it is really annoying okay there we are again by your humble pm yeah okay this is the agenda you have 3 presentations i heard really yeah really so who wants to start yeah it is fine i want to start we have to start it right away yeah functional requirements all right i am going to talk about functional requirements well some research has been done has been done observing of 100 subjects in the usability lab using a remote control they also filled in the questionnaire the findings were well you can see them for yourself they disliked a look at a feel of current remote controls i do not think they are ugly they do not match the operating behavior of the user so they do not match what they want to have on it they are often lost somewhere in the room it takes too much time to do and how to use a new remote control and there are bads for erosi i do not know how a user can reach that but okay there was also research on the most relevant and irrelevant functions most irrelevant and less use were audio settings mono stereo pitch and bass screen settings for brightness and color and stuff like that but they are used i mean the they do need to be in the yeah they do need to be under remote control i mean if you can not control the sound settings i mean if you dislike a very loud bass or something you need to change that so yeah we have to my tv does not have an equalizer yeah i mean we can not my tv has but we can leave them away most relevant most use functions they speak for themselves i guess power button channel volume selection tailetext but we can skip that because i saw the new slash and teletext is so outdated that it should not be used anymore in the future so forget this one and channel setting so for programming your channels in the right where did you guys get that new slash on the project not by meal i received meal but you do not so it is it is a text file in the project folder so teletext can be skipped what is in the presentation there was some research on new features in the remote control about an lcd screen and speed recognition well we got an update for the audience or the targeted group so it is above 40 i guess the new product or below yeah below 40 because that is pretty relevant i thought our ads our current customers are in the age group 40 plus yeah and the new product should reach new market which is the customer below 40 okay well that is in the news that is in the news okay that is good to know because you see a clear distinction between the age groups concerning the features i mean above 40 people are not so interested in the screen or speech recognition but below that age they pretty much are so i think we can build it in yeah well we can skip this part as well because i thought i read above 40 so we could skip the features but we just have to build them in because they find it very interesting well we have to keep all the classic functions but make the buttons as user friendly as possible and also so not only the design of the buttons but also how you can push them and stuff like that so the physical aspect of it and i think certainly for the lower age groups a nice design which does not make remote control or notice in your room but it is actually a part of your interior of your design in your room so it is the people can say whoa what is that well that is my remote control so it has to look nice and feel nice and have all the functions but it also needs to have corporate identity yeah so the logo has to be present and the colors as well so we can not change much of that do we have yeah so but i do not think that is a problem because the thing has to have a color anyway and most of the times there is a brand present on it so i think that is not going to affect it very much but that are the consequences on the marketing part all right okay okay it is open already so you can use alt up to point you on f 5 okay 0 0 go yer him 0 no how do i you pressed alt f f f f f you pressed alt f 4 no no no i pressed your mouse button 0 great that is a self destruct button yeah maybe you can do it from your computer yeah talk us to it if you all go stand around yeah sure all right that is nice all right i had 2 examples this one is the advanced one with a lot of options and functions and buttons this is the easy one i think we have to combine them and merge the best functions of all examples but the age is under 40s yeah and then marketing research stated that that kind of users are not afraid of a lot of functions so we have to option for more functions yeah yeah and we do have to integrate the screen and the speech recognition yeah yeah all right yeah this one we can remove for kids it is just only for adults so we can use some advanced options yeah from age of 16 yeah but i prefer we use the basic options yeah we have to make them very easy so for just zapping around the channels you can just push one button but if you want to use your video record or something else we should use an advanced option yeah but the newsflash also stated that it should control only one device only your television so it is very easy no yeah so there are not extra options in this case also yeah we have to make it fashionable what you said before yeah the basic functions only use the extra function if they are really needed yeah so maybe we can hide them or something yeah well what we can do with the screen is all the configuration options you can put that in the screen you can put that in the screen and the screen menu yeah screen menu to do that and then the basic function just on the device itself so it looks very simple and all the advanced features are hidden in the screen with a clear menu what does the screen do what does the screen do what are there so what does the screen do they said they needed it what does it do what do they want with the advanced functions i think yeah well it did not it did not say what they want to do with the screen but i my guess is it is pretty handy for advanced advanced functions right searching for channels and yeah searching for channels programming them that is i am almost finished okay we have to watch out for the if we make it very fashionable functional functionality will go down so we have to make a compromise between functionality and fashional fashion and form yeah okay well my presentation is a bit sucky well you can improvise right a little bit no no functional requirements yeah i think that would be it then no so we can go for yeah well yeah let me check it is not really english i know so we can go for the look and feel of the left example and then a screen on top of it here you go all right how do i do i skip pages just the press the keys yeah all right yeah well i was working on this before i got my information so i was just working off the top of my head and using my common knowledge about the remote controls and well the info on the website which came too late so i did not really know what kind of functions we had to put into it yet so this is basically an overview of what we discussed in our last meeting those were my starting points i was working on a schedule and i was supposed to do it like this but yeah then the information came and it was kind of exact with all the steps in the remote control that they had to follow so i was trying to organize them for myself and then make the design the design the actual design but i never came around to do that so i am not really sure what i am supposed to say about it i mean everything speaks for itself i guess i mean you press a button it sends a signal to a chip which translates it into infrared signal of certain spatial spatial frequency and temporal frequencies actually and then through a transformer the signal gets boosted and then sent to the receiver on the tv and the tv will translate it into a function yeah well this was actually all i got around to do i mean i do not know if i am too slow for this stuff work harder should we make a list of all the functions we want yeah we want to incorporate into it okay for those that did not see it yet the basic new requirements of the management were no time text only for tv it should be designed for a use group below 40 but i do not think it is wrong if we can if we can target the current customer group as well and the corporate identity should be clear in the design of the remote control and we have to decide on the functions and on the let us see what was it the target group we have to make me clear what that is the target group of users or yeah users because it says below 40 i mean i mean yeah i guess that is the target yeah are male and female or just the 6 below 40 so the marketing research started on on the age of 16 16 to 25 25 to 35 35 to 45 something like that so below 40 is okay but we need a lower level how do you mean so is it from 16 to 40 is it from 20 to 40 is it from 20 to 40 16 to 40 i guess people of 16 are quite used to technology yeah so they adapted pretty soon i guess if we have a larger public we have more options to sell our product yeah so what we might want to do is have customized the screen functions if you know what i mean that younger users are more acquainted with these kind of machines so they can use more advanced functions but maybe elderly people do not understand it so well so they need a simpler remote and yeah that you can choose what the design displays or whatever that is why i wanted to make 2 different groups of functions that the simple functions for for the whole public and the advanced options for the younger people who are more yeah experience but all incorporated in the screen or or just on the remote itself i should put the extra advanced options onto the on screen display yeah like you have a visual of the brightness with a kind of sliding bar and the bus and stuff like that for sound and visuals so you should have a menu for all the features you can make a drawing yeah black is okay it was very big 0 yeah it is okay you do not have line control yeah we get there yeah well this is basically all right the remote yeah usually the power button on top i guess it should be easy easily reach with the thumb yeah so it should fit right into your hands right right right right most people are right handed so maybe left hand a special addition but okay if you put it like like here or something i do not know then you can put a screen like on a mobile phone also on top i guess yeah but if you are using the the normal functions the basic functions you normally press them all the thumb yeah so it should be a little bit longer so that you can put your thumb also reach the middle or you should screen at the bottom and then you can see it very clearly okay so yeah you have it in your hand and the screen is below and the buttons are in the middle okay for example if you put the screen here it is more about the functions now than the layout yeah yeah it does not work too well it is a it is a i can help it yeah yeah yeah right yeah okay okay you get it for example if you put all the right it was a normal piece of paper piece of paper and this is a pen yeah yeah my base is kind of works like if you have like 10 buttons for all the channels and here one for flipping up and down yeah that is usually like here here here here so we have up and down up and down for the channels and left and right for the volume those can also be used for the menu yeah exactly yeah but this is really your department yeah that we need just functional display yeah and for curses and you have if you can use the most of the time you have one button in the middle it says menu and then if you press it the screen gets activated and then you can use this buttons to scroll up and down and left and right to go into a function and then just most of time this menu button is also like okay to confirm a kind of action so you scroll into it okay you select the function like for like a base you just adjust it with these 2 buttons then okay to confirm and then on each screen there is there should be an option to go back to to upper level and then finally say okay exit or one button to exit it in one time i do not know that is not really my department that is more your department to yeah but it should be if the screen is here then the logo should be like on top yeah i mean it is yeah but it depends on where you put the screen but it is essential that there is a screen yeah i mean the position of the screen is also more essential than i mean we look where we have space left and then put the logo over there but for the speech recognition part if you want to incorporate that we need the microphone yeah so it should be i mean if you have it in your hand here it should be on top somewhere yeah maybe why do we want to put the display in the bottom no that is not sure that is not sure but yeah maybe because if you use the functions your hand will block the display yeah okay but that is only for the basic function if you are going to use the advanced option you are going to put it press the menu button and then yeah yeah i mean a screen on top looks more normal logical to me also because people use mobile phones and they also have a screen on top okay so you just have to reach a little bit for the power button i mean if you grab it once it is on it is on you do not need most of the times if if a tv is on standby people just press a channel to put it on so we put this on top and then make the corporate logo like over here are and just and the microphone i mean it can be very small if you look at your mobile phone so it are some stripes little little holes maybe on the top or even on the side yeah maybe on the side i mean if the microphone is good yeah okay so on the top is better but if you if you hold the remote like this if you put it on the top on the side i do not know yeah it should be able to work yeah it does it does not okay we will leave this up to you yeah it does not matter that much so but the screen is on top which functions did we have left i mean this is basically numbers volume channel up and down the screen is over there advanced options yeah so maybe we should decide what advanced options we want to put in the lcd screen yeah that is a good one yeah so we needed to integrate those sound and image options right yeah like bass sound so we need kind of an equalizer yeah equalizer so if you have sound but not too advanced i mean most tvs use only treble and bass yeah travel middle base or something yeah it is pretty hard to write to write yeah but you have sound yeah sounds yeah just you have a digital better write it down over there yeah so you have sound yeah yeah sound and then within sound i guess treble and bass trouble and bass you had the mono stereo option yeah and there was something else also and then pitch pitch yeah what pitch is not that yeah that is the height yeah okay why would you use that yeah is not that that depends on the on the signal of the program you are watching yeah and also the tuning part programming part yeah so we have sound yeah channel programming and yeah in the functionality of the television no no of the remote do do we want the buttons to make sound when you press them as a confirmation or whatever you know i think it gets annoying i mean most mobile phones use that in the beginning but under the 0 yeah advanced option and you can put those the television itself has also the options brightness and screen color etc so yeah but people do not want to sit underneath underneath in front of their television which is usually only 3 buttons and it is very hard to contrast and brightness yeah that are the most used i guess if you look at your monitor well yeah well i guess that this were the only ones i guess okay that is easy yeah but so we have tv options which is all this yeah the sound options and the lcd options and you have indeed the remote control options so we need 2 menus kind of thing yeah you have basically a button menu which you can use directly according to the ode principle and the lcd options are activated based on some software options that communicate with the infrared yeah with the chip and then translate i mean so you have an additional processor in the software part yeah we have power button whether that is present channel volume selection present numbers present yeah audio settings monisterio pitch base treble screen settings brightness and color color yeah contrasts yeah okay color and brightness and what you say channel setting so channel programming so you have an option to to start scanning all the frequencies and when it encounters one well it shows on your tv and then you can and then you can select a number in your remote which you want to save it is autoseek yeah auto seek name a channel well most tvs automatically display the name which they get through the cable 0 they get the ultimate names yeah so you only have to choose the position on your it only has to match the channel frequency on your tv with the position on your tv and so you are remote yeah but can you also say i want a veronica on the channel number 5 if you already programmed it yeah if you want to move it yeah yeah that should be possible too how do you call that yeah how do you call that you should be able to browse through a list or something which would displace all the values all the channels which are possible i mean like one to 30 or 90 or whatever just browse it and then some kind of way see if it is programmed swap channels yeah swap channels swap it is good option okay all the functions most of the time if you swap it let us say for example you have rtl 5 on channel 5 and veronica on channel 8 and you want to move veronica to channel 5 most of the times you overrides the previous one well that you have to yeah it is the use the interface it is pretty yeah i mean you have to look on on the menu now those are working on tv also he only has to figure out how it has to look and how yeah yeah but also which buttons you have to press to get a certain results yeah okay the working design was to specify how the fiscal interaction between the components was i believe you did your homework but yeah or is it too hard to to just do it on your remote to program the channels no no it should be able to do the communication with the television is difficult but that is not our part no we do not have to design the protocols that is true that is true thank god yeah okay so we have a figure figure out a way to to do that easily i mean the auto seekers is not a problem you encounter a channel and then it just says on which number do you want to save this and you just press the number on your remote and then say confirm okay and then it is saved it is easier if it is harder to if you have already programmed it to swap so we have to think of something for that the user interface design can design menu for all these functions kind of structure into layers you make a map with all the because it is now there are lots of documents yeah i can i will just try to reorganize things so you design the basic function menu for the lcd screen and the layout of the thing itself i think the other the screen i think you can concentrate more on the button placement and the placement of the screen itself on the is not that more than the user interface no i think that is more in all the functional aspect of the maybe more i think are in my department i have to know what it has to do so if you want to you know the changing the channels kind of thing is i have to integrate that in your function yeah i think that is a that is a good do i have to do yeah to make the menu layout also or yeah yeah i guess so i think that is your department yes we have to kind of work together if i make the the yeah the menu like i have to state which function has to be in the menu and then you have to decide it in the way that is user friendly you are going to make a list of what functions are going to be on the screen the menu screen and i am going to make a nice menu yeah with some layers in it yeah and also make clear which buttons to press to get certain results yeah because that is always the difficulty every device that is it yeah well i guess this this button the okay menu okay or you can incorporate 2 different buttons like you have on your mobile phone so this is only for to get in the menu or to exit it and then i want to confirm i want to go one step back so it is like the the say button on your your mobile phone if you have a no key or like that or the no button to go one step back you it is only 2 extra buttons but if it is very clear that they are for the screen i think we have to group to make 2 groups one group for the display and one group for the basic functions yeah but they are incorporated yeah because this this is used for both yeah but maybe that is it is not but if you are stepping with your remote control you can press the menu button and then you are suddenly into the to your screen okay so you should leave the menu button out of here and just put it under the screen just group we make these advanced functions and these basic functions we make a line between them but we should place the screen on top right well 0 yeah okay yeah we swap that is the uriens department yeah you just find out a handy layout okay do we do the extra 2 buttons or not i think you should yeah it is easier if you put too many functions in one button it gets confusing yeah okay that is true so we have a menu button and a okay and back yeah okay and back yeah are confirmed back the 4 arrows yeah but those are still doubly used should we save this picture or you know what it looks like here about the extra 2 buttons we have a menu button yeah yeah that just to to activate the screen yeah okay so menu button access the menu in the lcd screen and then with these buttons you can navigate you navigate okay but you can also navigate the channels and volume so that is not yeah those are both okay is it interesting for users if we put lead lights under the buttons so that if you press on the menu function that only the buttons that are used for the menu are lit up yeah that is very good idea all right that is a good idea because then it becomes clear which buttons are active now buttons are active now which you can use yeah and then it is also easier to integrate several functions in one button yeah okay yeah so anything else those buttons are are little but just one thing should we use those 2 then or only this to to scroll and then use the 2 functional buttons to confirm to go into something on every have to use this to adjust keep it optional because maybe you can you know go left to right and up and down maybe we should use this also as an okay button still and then just only a back button well we have those buttons the problem with the okay button in the middle is sorry yeah sorry if you are pressing up and down you can easily press the okay once you when you are not already at your choice yeah make 11 okay button and one back it was already decided button yeah with the channel and the volume yeah a multifunctional navigation but okay that is what we decided yeah okay okay so you want to close down yeah i want to close down yeah i have to sorry yeah because he do not like you but we have lunch break already and then we can work for 30 minutes and i have to write very fast to make the yeah we will see all right how long is the lunch break i do not know we have to ask do we have to write down our stuff now or 1st lunch break i believe that is 1st lunch break everything in my head now yeah okay yeah yeah yes i think you can put a laptop back in the room yeah yes sir time pressure okay yeah it is a lot of pressure yeah sorry for my not finished presentation sorry yeah we will kick your ass later bring it on i do not know if it works but you saved it you saved it does it save automatically in the project folder yeah it is it is okay we will see just put back my laptop smart board all right you can use it but yeah you can open it with a picture preview or stuff like that we have some maps with all the data we yeah i try to organize it by these 3 yeah it is just my own maps yeah i do not really mind i just put the minutes here we will see but you got some extra information yeah that is in the functional design okay yeah it is just basically what i just showed where do you get it by the only one yeah okay blur i get a kick if i do not do it okay all right yeah make me proud i will try to so 1st we have a lunch break now yeah all right i believe so i do not know where she is at though" ]

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[ "so nice to see you again so tod for this meeting i will take the notes and do the minutes so we will see our 3 presentations we will start with the manager expert wi who will talk about user re requirements whats user needs and what it desire for this devi device okay can i have the laptop over here or yep 0 i do not think so i think you have to come here okay have to get up i dunno i think it should stay excuse me yeah that is it okay should stay in the square here okay 0 maybe okay so basically i am going to present some findings of a study we conducted into what users want in this remote control 0 you can put it here 0 that is okay it is jus so 1st of all we what we did is we conducted a an experiment with a 100 test subjects we put them in a in our usability laboratory and got them to you know play with remote controls and also to complete after they had done that to complete a questionnaire to tell us what they like and what they do not like in remote controls so basically the major things we found out was that basically users do not like the look and feel of of most remote controls that are currently on the market they you know 75% of the people we we did the experiments on found that rem remote the remote controls that they would used in the past were ugly completely ugly they they did not match the operating behavior of the user that is you know the the way users use remote controls when they are watching t v that the layout of the remote controls did not match they way that they used it and thirdly they say that w half of the users that we tested said that they only used 10% of the buttons that are on remote controls so we collect we also some collected some usage statistics based on how these test subjects were using their remote control and from this we basically came up with the figure that the channel buttons the channel selection buttons are the most by far the most used buttons on the remote control and you can see they are used a 168 times per hour on average while the user is watching t v the closest button that was used well the cl the button that was used that was closest to the channel button was the teletext button which was used 14 times per hour followed by the volume button which was 4 times per hour all the other all the other buttons such as ch audio and picture selection configuration buttons and things were used you know l approx well less than or equal to one times per hour we also asked users which buttons had the most importance to them you know which which buttons they felt were the most important buttons on on the remote control and basically they came they said the channel volume and power buttons had the highest relevance to users note that only power was very infrequently used it only had a b a a fr usage frequency of about one times per hour but users ranked it as having a very very high relevance and the audio and picture settings had a very that well the users thought that w the audio and picture settings were very were not very important to them and they used them very infrequently a as well so we asked users what what frustrates them the most about current remote controls and 50% of the users said that what frustrates them is losing the remote control somewhere in the room and not being able to find it they also said that it it takes a lot of time to learn a new remote control especially when there is many buttons and it is a you know a c a a unintuitive interface and then thirdly they some users commented on the fact that the the you know the way that you have to hold and press buttons on a remote control ar are bad and cause u repetitive strain injury we also asked some users about some specific features that they would like to see in the on the remote control in particular do they want an l c d d display and secondly do they think speech recognition is a useful feature to have on a remote control basically our findings are that amongst a younger age groups the answer is umv overwhelmingly yes they want these features they want these high technology features for instance 91% of pe of people aged between 15 and 25 said yes they want these features whereas the the trend was as users as users became older and older they were less likely to want these sort of features in a in a remote control so i guess it depends on where we are focusing our our market and as our company motto is putting fashion in electronics i think we are focusing on the younger younger target demographic and so maybe we should think about adding these sort of high technology features into our remote control that is my dic that is my presentation thank you thank you okay so maybe now we can talk about a user interface and about the technical function of this device so pet peter can you talk say something about that well okay yeah yeah but the user user interface is responsible no b you think i i am user interface manager ah okay so sorry i am sorry okay sorry okay if i could go there with this cable you are scaring me with l c d man and speech recognition in remote unit it will be very e expensive yeah it is true but you know they are features that users want so it is and our production cost of €1250 per per unit is fairly high i think yeah so i think we can afford to to add these sort of features into our remote yeah at least we have couple of months t to work on it so so it will be cheaper finally sh okay it is true where is delete button okay 0 i am sorry okay that is the wrong one i think yeah it is still bob morris 0 presentation 3 because you canceled it yeah you should have put yes yeah 0 click on yes yeah yep okay so here is my presentation about technical function design i will talk about different components and s of system and how they react together okay 1st what is a remote control simply it is a device as you know for for sending some commands by some waves to another device to to tell different commands with this device and the main idea we do not use any cable and we can rec react simpler with the device i it has different blocks different blocks 1st is remote control have sh ha should have some electric circuits making interface with keyboard and r reading keyboard and reading the keyboard commands and then inter then make these keyboard commands in interpret these int keyboard commands and then there should be an electronic circuit making electronic signals according to these commands and finally there is a transmitter which is a cord or a a diode making making waves to transmit through the air and this air this wave will be received by the by the other device like a television or whatever to r to realize the command okay about what i found about different these different blocks are usually there are 2 different methods to for designing a remote control they are based on infra red waves or radio waves you still want me the presentation there are 2 different solutions i mean this is this can be the the differences the th between different kind of waves infra red or radio waves and also as i understood and i think it was a part of bob presentation people prefer to have to have the remote control with less button so for the electronic part working and interfacing with button we should we should try to t try to design a remote control having some some simpler buttons or some rolling buttons to just to just to search between different options and showing 0 something on t v and putting less lesser stuff on the on the remote control and personal preferences certainly a remote control with working with radio waves is preferred because you can pr you can take it in any direction and you do not need to tune it any way and again using bigger buttons and less number of buttons are also preferred as i see okay that was my presentation okay i have a question huh do you think radio waves will interfere with other appliances in the home i do not think so because we can make we ca we can make this wave in a specific frequency so they can be in a range which is not inter interfering with the with other devices inside the home okay so can we use any any frequency yeah it should be okay we have the right to use any frequency no but as i know there is a range for for this f for for for this stuff for designing this circuit we can we can we can tune our transmitter to work in this range and for this range we do not need to ask any permission okay and what happen with radio waves when 2 neighbors have the same have our remote control for example and so do they have the same frequency or for this i am not i i do not know the solution but one solution can be something like putting p password or something inside the wave so the only your t v can understand it yeah identification code inside the okay a kind of identification okay yeah f i know about this since it is my it is exactly my field so so it is kind of handshaking when starting to when you start to communicate with the your t v then then it is like an handshaking protocol with your your remote yeah so so so if 22 devices are trying to go to communicate with the t v set then the the the one which has the more energy in the wave is chosen well it can be a problem sometimes but most of the time it works okay okay the password may simply or i identification code may simply solve this problem a specific remote control has a specific f yeah but we we do not have to think about this because i think as a function designer that we will use the already made circuits which we probably bu buy it is worth to buy and they have these problems solved so okay so we do not have to think about these okay okay so maybe you can talk about the function and yes i have only a couple of things because i had i struggled a bit with the software that i am supposed to use in this in this company i was used to use linux before so but i tried to tried to break through this too i guess open ah okay how to make it big slide show 5 slide show okay thanks it should work so you can okay 0 so i will speak about working design that is the 1st slide what i have to do a look at what the other company okay so presently i am looking what is possible to use what circuits to use and stuff like that because i did not work with these circuits so far so i have to look what what is a v a v available on the market for for the communication for the i r circuits and so on so i am currently looking what is available on the web and i wanted to ask you m maybe afterwards after after our discussion if we have some contacts in some companies so which can report on what is going on there so i would be glad if you can tell me about them yeah so you know okay findings that is the point that i am working on currently but so far i i was looking what what are the blue circuit i mean radio wave radio frequency circuits are available now but the prices i read are high so i know that the user interface people and these speak about radio frequency waves because you can you can you can make the t v do what you want even if you are in the bathroom or so on but you know when you are not close to the t v you probably will not need to to change the program and so on and so i am i am voting for s to stick to the infra red control instead of r w but we will discuss it later maybe components to use i am not exactly sure what i will use for the design of the circuit it depends on whether we will use the l c d and mainly the speech recognition because the speech rec yeah are we are we planning to take an off the shelf an 0 e m component for the radio wave circuit or are we planning to construct our own circuit board no no no no no this we this we buy i think because it is rather cheap nowadays and it is not worth to construct ourselves okay s so we just buy a circuit board and okay exactly but i am not sure about the circuit which is responsible for speech recognition this i prefer that we should make ourselves okay but it depends whether we take a decision to use it same thing it is fairly expensive to use these circuits so speech recognition well l c d it is okay because it is common nowadays to use l c d so i agree on using any kind of l c d less buttons good for me as a as a designer of the circuit yeah but the speech recognition we have to compare whether the price and the what does it offer you know yeah so what do you think would be the price it would be out of range yeah i am or it would be maybe feasible 0 i was not thinking too much about the price but if we use the l c d even the radio frequency communication with the t v set and the backlight and related things like the photo diodes and stuff it should be okay if we decide to use the speech recognition then we probably could struggle but we will see afterwards okay it depends of you if if the m e or u i d i am sorry about the names i do not really know want to have it like in metal or in plastic these things it it depends on you not because the the the electronic device is price is not not so big in comparison to to the overall shape and stuff like that so okay we will discuss it afterwards 0 this is nothing this is just my notes on what to use and my personal preference is yes i would like also preferably to use r w circuit but from the point of view of the design and price i would stick to i r s that is my opinion i mean if infra red circuit not not the radio frequency why because it is simpler because because the the range where you can use it is fair yeah it is okay i think and the price is fairly cheap for this okay it is a a price matter well depends yeah jus just the price otherwise i do not care what i put there because it is the chip which i buy or which we buy okay so i i i think it is 0 y 0 what how much more expensive are we talking 3 times more expensive or 10 times more expensive well 3 to 3 to 5 or okay n not 10 times but it depends what what we yeah yeah that is still a lot i think it is it is probably not worth spending the extra money because i mean all the other remote controls on the market have infra red so people do not expect anything other than infra red yeah yeah so it is not worth spending the extra money yeah well i 0 th they are used to use it when they can see the t v so i do not know yeah on the other side we want to have something new you know where yeah we want to to have something new and so we i think we should still thinking about it but maybe but i think based on my usability studies i th i feel that users are prioritize the look and the feel and the trendiness above okay you know the difference between infra red or radio waves so i think we are better off spending money in the usability phase you the user interface and management man okay yeah okay okay that is it for me okay thank you peter kay so i have to inform you i receive an email from the management bon board today and they have new requirements for the for the remote control 1st they say that is about something about t teletext apparently it becomes from according to them it becomes out of date out dated and because of the internet popularity and everybody has internet at home and actually it is not useful to have teletext so i think we can avoid the teletext the 2nd thing is they suggest that that we should use the remote control only for t v not for d v d and other devices because it make it it makes it is too complex and because we have not much time for this project we should stay on t v on the only specific t v remote control i agree the 3rd the 3rd one is about the the the image of the company so we should we should keep the the product should be recognizable it is that mean we should use the color of our company and maybe put somewhere the s the slogan of the company which is we put fashion of in electronics so when people see the the remote control they should say 0 it is from real reaction and he s they should recognize the company so so now we we should take the decision what we are going to what function we will have on this on this remote control so are we going to use l c d speech recognition well should we start with just the core the basic functions that we need and then we can move on to the more advanced features yeah yes maybe maybe okay so the available things are l c d the buttons and everything radio frequency depends and well the recognition it depends on you guys yeah but 1st maybe what is what are the usual function of a standard remote control you should probably speak i mean okay what do okay well i mean the obvious one is changing channels yeah yeah yeah i think we should stick on very useful functions because we want less button yeah so yeah yeah okay so turning channel of course volume setting just one note to the chan channel changing do we will we use only 2 buttons or or like numbered buttons i mean those 9 +one or 2 yeah i think it would be a b because it is many buttons and we were speaking about lowering the number yeah yeah i on the other side we have more and more channels and if you want to pass through all the channels to get the channel you want it is yeah okay so so we keep all these all these buttons yeah yeah at least 910 button maybe maybe we could think of something more betweens like like 10 +5 +one +one minus or something yeah maybe something like that or using the names and the keyboard i dunno ah yeah or maybe 0 i do not know or something 0 maybe we could have key buttons like discovery channe like documentary channel and movies channel and you mean like hierarchical structure and inside this this thing you can move maybe switch okay like categorizing channels if you want to see a movie you click on the movie button so you have all the movie channels and after you have you +plus okay so s 0 sorry okay i it just an idea i do not know what you think about that but so it requires the use of l c d probably to to tell you to have some feedback yeah probably yeah yeah okay so i will make a note on l c d yeah we could maybe also c incorporate petre is idea of the slider for the volume with the channel okay okay so we c you could quickly just through many channels yeah like roller for the yeah for the channels perhaps okay anything else so we have got channel and volume yeah so we are still s speaking about the common devices or we are inviting the new one i think so i think basically the core functions we want and then more advanced ones yeah what about the settings of the t v because it is button we do not use very often but it is we need it anyway so we do not have any we do not have we should just design the remote control and we sh we do not have any access to the to the t v design or we can change some design so yeah because one solution for this ch changing channels is to see a summary of all channels some some preview of all channels and then you can yeah on the screen you mean yeah b not on the control on the screen on the t v screen not on the control but on the screen well this would avoid l c d then i do not and then 0 i do not but i do not think we are we are the ones i mean this remote control we are developing is a generic control for all t v s i think yeah yeah i do not know if it is possible to to watch something on t v 0 w i i think it it would be better to to stick to the remote control and not to bother the t v to to to print these things yeah yeah well it wi it will be still more expensive but for the l c d and this stuff is no problem in the price okay so what are we doing with the settings because settings if we want to do settings we need buttons for that and we want less buttons so maybe with the l c d we can do something with less buttons but yeah but then you do not want to make the l c d display too complicated at the same time 2 t v s i mean there is always we can always have these l less often used functions hidden somewhere under a cover or at the back of under a slide or some yeah 0 yeah like ma 0 the we we could have for example 2 buttons like simple mode and advanced mode or i dunno yeah or like children and grandfather is mode and the well the the user yeah not the user the man mana t v manager mode okay ah i dunno so we have 5 minutes left yeah so i think s the settings we th we are agreeing are agreed that they are required yeah it is just how to a yeah we should hide them somewhere hide them okay yeah in the menus of the l c d or in the back of the remote control or something like that okay yeah okay what else i mean a power button is obviously yes required this i was thinking do we need a power button at all should should should not we do it like sleep mode after 5 minutes of not using it because generally it is it is a kind of setting i think it should fit in those settings functions settings because it is not a very current useful function well i think when they say power button they mean to turn the t v on and off no i think it is after after 5 minutes or something a timer i i think no yes well i i but if you are watching t v for 2 hours you do not want your t v to turn off after 55 minute you do not need to every 5 minutes to keep it alive probably okay so we should keep this button i mean based on our usability studies again pe people said that the power button was v a very relevant button yeah 0 okay yeah you know it was 9 out of 10 okay so we we could p what we could probably do is to keep also to keep keep the l c d and all the buttons and stuff re relevance we could make it like a opening opening style that if you open it you are you just turn on the t v and if you close it it will yeah yeah turn off the t v if if you like this okay b okay because well it is maybe question for you t i think we need to concentrate on the you know the major usage of the th of the control which is you sit down yeah you turn on your t v you change channels you change the volume you turn the t v off yeah and all the other f functionality is so s yeah yeah they can yeah they can be hide somewhere by a cover or something like this not used very often yeah yeah like covering cu on the back or yeah i mean like the yeah like mobile phone covering yeah but since we have the l c d we did not need too much button too many buttons okay just the decision of the power button should we make it a button or some some something which would be for what power button i think a button a button is better i think it should be a bu ah 0 yeah yeah if it if it is a button or okay yeah yeah a button yeah i guess so its own button on the front okay one nice big button old fashioned button to satisfy the grandmothers okay so any other suggestions or functions s what about things like the clock and timers do we still have the time i i just wonder yeah we have still one or 2 minutes to talk yeah okay 0 well what w what was the question clock or you know some func some features on the control to display a time or t to display usually it is already on t v or something like that yes yeah but since we want to control all the televisions and and it would probably be worth to to set the timing on the remote no yeah because if if the t v turns on itself it well you know if the time the timer should be there yeah yeah if we if we add the time we have to have maybe a bigger display or something like that and is it very useful i mean are users wants to have the time on the on the remote this is the question probably not is it useful yes it is a questi yeah it is a trade off w in my opinion we should have only useful thing and because apparently they want the simpler it is is better kay ah yeah okay simple did you did you ever use the like the timing of turning on the t v well and based on your very yeah okay very occasionally but i do use the i do use the display of the time quite often but yeah but it can be on the display in in a corner all the time on the remote yeah yeah that is okay that is true okay so no time button no time on and do we need to include anything about the speech recognition and the speech commands or okay yes yes i think i i thin i think it will not take lots of place we just need a microphone and the software so and it sh and it will be a little bit new and interesting so people may be attracted to buy this stuff and it is not very difficult to put a software inside the the electronic device and put a microphone it does not take that much place and also that much it does not cost that much yeah yeah but we we should be careful about the battery life then so maybe we think we can think more about that and discuss that maybe last time next time if we use the speech recognition yeah and yeah now the meeting room is busy somebody booked the meeting room just for at one p m and so we should leave so so now we are going for for a small lunch it is funded by the company and after we have 13 minutes to to do indevel individual works and i will do the minutes and you are going to work on your individual works and you will receive as usual your specific instruction and so on okay cool thank you everybody okay thanks thank you" ]

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[ "i am going to close away i think it is closed i think it is frozen so nice to see you again so for this meeting i will take the notes and do the minutes so we will see our 3 presentations we will start with the manager expert we will talk about user requirements what user needs and what they desire for this device okay can i have the laptop over here or 0 i do not think so i have to get up i do not know i think it should stay excuse me yeah i see okay okay just tain to square here okay okay i am going to present some findings of a study we conducted into what users want in this remote control so 1st of all what we did is we conducted an experiment with 100 test subjects we put them in our usability laboratory and got them to you know play with remote controls and also to complete after they have done that to complete a questionnaire a questionnaire to tell us what they like and what they do not like in remote controls so basically the major things we found out was that basically users do not like the look and feel of most remote controls that are currently on the market they you know 75% of the people we did the experiments on found that remote controls that they would used in the past were ugly past were ugly completely ugly they did not match the operating behavior of the user that is you know the way users use remote controls when they are watching tv that the layout of the remote controls did not match the way that they used it and thirdly they say that half of the users that we tested said that they only used 10% of the buttons that are remote controls so we collected we also collected some uses statistics based on how these test subjects were using the remote control and from this we basically came up with the figure that the channel buttons the channel selection buttons are the most by far the most used buttons on the remote control and you can see they are used 168 times per hour on average while the users watching tv the closest button that was used the button that was closest to the channel button was the teletext button which was used 14 times per hour followed by the volume button which was 4 times per hour all the other buttons such as audio and picture selection configuration buttons and things were used you know less than or equal to one times per hour we also asked users which buttons had the most importance to them you know which buttons they felt were the most important buttons on the remote control and basically they came they said the channel volume and power buttons had the highest relevance to users note that only power was very infrequently used it only had a usage frequency of about one times per hour but users ranked it as having a very very high relevance and the audio and picture settings had a very that well the users thought that the audio and picture settings were very were very important to them and they use them very frequently as well so we asked users what what frustrates them the most about current remote controls and 50% of the users said that what frustrates them is losing the remote control somewhere in the room and not being out to find it they also said that it takes a lot of time to learn a new remote control especially when there is many buttons and it is an unintuitive interface and then thirdly some users commented on the fact that the you know the way that you have to hold and press buttons on a remote control are bad and cause repetitive strain injury we also asked some users about some specific features that they would like to see in the remote control in particular do they want an lcd to display and secondly do they think speech recognition is a useful feature to have on our remote control our findings are that amongst younger age groups the answer is overwhelmingly yes they want these features they want these high technology features for instance 91% of people aged between 15 and 25 said yes they want these features whereas the trend was as users as users became older and older they were less likely to want these sort of features in a remote control so i guess it depends on where we are focusing our market and as our company motto is putting fashion in electronics i think we are focusing on the younger target demographic and so maybe we should think about adding these sort of high technology features into our remote control and that is my presentation thank you thank you so now we can talk about the user interface and about the technical function of this device so peter can you talk to something about that okay yeah but you think i am user interface sorry i am sorry okay if i could go there this okay you are scaring me with lcd man and speech recognition in remote unit it will be very expensive yeah it is true but you know the features that users want so it is yeah and our production cost of production cost of €1250 per unit is fairly high i think so i think we can afford to add these sort of features into our remote at least we have a couple of months to work on it so it will be cheaper finally that is true let us delete but okay that is the wrong one i think it is the wrong one i think presentation tree because you can should that put yes okay so here is my presentation okay so here is my presentation about technical function design i will talk about different components of system and how they react together okay 1st what is a remote control simply device as you know for sending some commands by some waves to another device to to tell different comments with this device and the main idea is we do not use any cable and we can react simpler with the device it has different blocks different blocks 1st this remote control have shown should have some electric circuits making with keyboards and reading a keyboard and reading the keyboard commands and then then make these keyboard commands and interpret these keyboard commands and then there should be an electronic circuit making electronic signals according to these commands and finally there is a transmitter which is a coil or a diode making making waves to transmit through the air and these air these waves will be received by the by the other device like a television or whatever to realize the comment okay about what i found about different these different blocks are usually there are 2 different methods to for designing a remote control they are based on infrared waves or radio waves there are 2 different solutions i mean this is this can be the the difference is the between different kind of waves infrared or radio waves and also as i understood and i think it was a part of of the bob presentation people prefer to have to have to have the control with less button so for the electronic part working and interfacing with buttons we should we should try to try to design a remote control having some some simpler bottoms or some rolling buttons just to just to search between different options and showing on something on tv and putting less less stuff and the and the remote control and personal preferences certainly a remote control with working with radio waves is preferred because you can you can take it in any direction and you do not need to tune it any way and again using bigger buttons and less number of buttons or also preferred as i see okay that was my presentation okay i have a question do you think radio waves will interfere with other appliances in the home i do not think so because we can make this wave in a specific frequency so they can be in a range which is not interfering with other devices inside the home okay can we use any any frequency we have the right to use any frequency no but as i know there is a range for for this for for this stuff for designing this circus we can we can we can tune our transmitter to work in this range and for this range we do not need to ask can you permit okay and what happened with radio waves when 2 neighbors have the same remote control for example and so do they have the same frequency or for this i am not i do not know the solution but one solution can be something like putting a password or something inside the wave so only your tv can understand kind of identification identification code inside there i know about this since it is my it is exactly my feel so it is a kind of handshaking when starting to when you start to communicate with your tv then it is like an handshaking protocol with your your remote so if 22 devices are trying to communicate with the tv set then the the the one which has the more energy in the wave is chosen it can be a problem sometimes but most of them it works okay the password may simply or an identification code may simply solve this problem a specific remote control has a specific yeah but we do not have to think about this because i think as a function designer that we will use the already made circuits which we probably buy it is worth to buy and they have these problems solved so we do not have to think about these so maybe you can talk about the function yes i have only a couple of things because i had i struggled a bit with the software that i am supposed to use in this company i was used to use linux before i tried to break through this 2 yes mowbran ah okay what to make it big slide you okay thanks good work so you can you can okay so i will speak about working design that is the 1st light 0 what i have to look at what the other company okay so presently i am looking what is possible to use what circuits to use and stuff like that because i did not work with these circuits so far so i have to look what is available on the market for the communication for the ir circuits and so on so i am currently looking what is available on the web available on the web and i wanted to ask you maybe afterwards after our discussion if we have some contacts in some company so which can report on what is going on there so i would be glad if you can tell me about them so you know okay findings that is the point that i am working on currently but so far i was looking what rw circuit i mean radio wave radio frequency circuits are available now but the prices are rather high so i know that the user interface people and these speak about radio frequency waves because you can make the tv do what you want even if you are in the bathroom or so on but you know when you are not close to the tv you probably want need to change the program and so on so i am voting to stick to the infrared control instead of rw but we will discuss it later maybe components to use i am not exactly sure what i will use for the design of the circuit it depends on whether we will use the lcd and mainly the speech recognition because the speech yeah are we are we planning to taken off the shelf an oem component for the radio a circuit or are we planning to construct their own so no no no no this we this we buy i think because it is rather cheap nowadays and it is not worse to construct ourselves so we just buy a circuit board in exactly but i am not sure about the circuit which is responsible for speech recognition this i prefer that we should make ourselves okay but it depends whether we take a decision to use it same thing it is fairly expensive to use these circuits so speech recognition well lcd it is okay because it is common nowadays to use lcd so i agree on using any kind of lcd less buttons good for me as a designer of the circuit but the speech recognition we have to compare whether the price and the yeah what does it offer you know so what do you think would be the price it would be out of french or it would be maybe feasible i was not thinking too much about the price but if we use the lcd even the radio frequency communication with the tv set and the backlight and related things like the photodiods and stuff it should be okay we decide to use the speech recognition then we probably could struggle but we will see afterwards okay it depends so you if the m e or uid i am sorry about the names i do not know wants to have it like in metal or in plastic these things it depends on you not because the electronic devices price is not so big in comparison to the overall shape and stuff like that so we will discuss it afterwards 0 this is nothing this is just my notes on what to use and my personal preference yes i would like also preferably to use rw circuit but from the point of view of the design and price i would stick to the irs that is my opinion i mean if infrared circuit not not the radio frequency why because it is simpler because the range where you can use it is fair it is okay i think and the price is fairly cheap for this it depends the price matter just the price otherwise i do not care what i put there because it is the chip which i buy or which we buy so i think it is how much more expensive more expensive are we talking 3 times more expensive or 10 times more expensive 3 to 5 not 10 times but it depends what we that is still a lot i think it is probably not worth spending the extra money because i mean all the other remote controls on the market have infrared so people do not expect anything other than infrared so it is not worth spending the extra money they are used to use it only when they can see the tv so on the other side we want to have something new you know where we want to have something new so i think we should still thinking about it but i think based on my usability studies i feel that users prioritize the look and the feel and the trendiness above the difference between infrared or radio waves so i think we are better off spending money in the usability phase okay management man yeah okay that is it okay thank you peter okay so i have to inform you i receive an email from the management board today and they have new requirements for the remote control 1st they say that say that about something about teletext apparently it becomes from according to them it becomes out of date outdated and because of the internet property and everybody has internet at home and actually it is not useful to have teletext text the 2nd thing is they suggest that we should use the remote control only for tv not for dvd and other devices because it makes it too complex and because we have no much time for this project we should stay on tv on the only specific tv remote control i agree the 3rd one is about the damage of the company so we should keep the product should be recognizable that means we should use the color of our company and maybe put somewhere the slogan of the company which is we put fashion of the company which is we put fashion in electronics so when people see the remote control they should say 0 it is from a real reaction and they should recognize the company so now we should take the decision what we are going to what function we will have on this on this remote control so are we going to use lcd speech recognition well should we start with just the core the basic functions that we need and then we can move on to the more advanced features maybe okay so the available things are lcd the buttons and everything radio frequency depends and well the recognition it depends on it depends on you guys but 1st maybe what is what has a usual function of a standard remote control i mean what do okay well i mean the obvious one is changing channels yeah yeah i think we should stick on very useful functions because we want less button so yeah yeah okay so changing channel of course volume setting just one note to the channel changing do we will we use only 2 buttons or or like numbered buttons i mean those 9 +one or 2 i think it would be a both i guess many buttons and we were speaking about lowering the number yeah another side we have more and more channels and if you want to pass through all the channels to get the channel you want okay so we keep all these maybe maybe we could think of something more between like like 10 +5 +one +one fine yeah maybe so are using the names and the keyboard i do not know maybe 0 i know 0 maybe you could have k buttons like discovery channel like documentary channel and movies channel i mean like and inside this thing you can move maybe switch if you want to see a movie you click on the movie button so you have all the movie channels and after you 0 so just an idea i do not know what you think about that so it requires the use of lcd probably to tell you some feedback okay yeah so i will make you not an lcd we could maybe also incorporate petra is idea of the slider for the volume with the channel okay so you could quickly just yeah like roller for the channels perhaps okay anything else we have got channel and volume so we are still speaking about the common devices or we are inviting i think so i think basically the core functions we want and then more advanced ones what about the settings of the tv because it is button we do not use very often use very often but it is we need it anyway so we do not have any we do not have we should just design the remote control and we should we do not have any access to the to the tv design or we can change some design because one solution for this changing channels is to see a summary of all channels some some preview of all channels and then you can screen yeah not on the control but on the screen not under control on the screen well this would avoid lcd then well i do not think we are the ones i mean this remote control we are developing is a generic control for all tvs yeah i do not know if it is possible to add something on tv i think it would be better to stick to the remote control and not to bother the tv to print these things well it will be still more expensive but for the lcd and this stuff is no problem problem in the private okay so what are we doing with the settings because settings if we want to do settings we need buttons for that and we want less buttons maybe with the lcd we can do something with less buttons but but then you do not want to make the lcd display too complicated at the same time i mean there is always we can always have these less often you used functions hidden somewhere under a cover or at the back of under a slide we could have for example 2 buttons like simple mode and advance mode or like children and grandfather is mode and the well the user not the user the tv manager mode okay i do not know we have 5 minutes left so i think the settings we said we are agreed that they are required it is just how to we should hide them somewhere in the menus of the mcd or in the back of the remote control or something okay what else i mean a power button obviously yes i was thinking do we need the power button at all should should not we do it like sleep mode after 5 minutes or not using it because generally it is a kind of setting i think it should fit into settings because it is not a very current useful function well i think when they say power button they mean to turn the tv on and off no i think it is after 5 minutes or something like that but if you are watching tv for 2 hours you do not want your tv to turn off off you do not need to keep it alive okay so we should kill this button i mean based on our usability studies again people said that the power button was a very relevant button yeah you know it was 98 of the button you know it was 9 out of 10 okay so we would what we could probably do is to keep also to keep the lcd and all the buttons and stuff we could make it like opening opening stuff that if you open it you are you just turn on the tv and if you close it it will turn out the tv if you like this okay okay well i think we need to concentrate on the you know the major usage of the of the control which is you sit down you turn on the tv you change channels you change the volume you turn the tv off yeah just and all the other functionality is yeah not used very often they can be hide somewhere by a cover or something like this yeah like covering on the i mean like the yeah like mobile phone yeah but since we have the lcd we did not need too much buttons too many buttons okay just the decision on the power button should we make it a button or some something which would be for what i think a button power button i think it should be a button 0 yeah it is a button it is own button yeah on the front okay one nice big button old fashioned button to satisfy the grandmothers okay so any other suggestions are functions what about things like the clock and timers do we still have the time yeah we have still one or 2 minutes okay yeah what is the question you know some features on the control to display a time or to display usually it is already on tv or something yeah but since we want to control all the televisions and yeah it would probably be worse to set the timing on the remote no because if the tv if the tv the tv turns on itself it you know if we had the time should be there we had to have maybe a bigger display or something like that and is it very useful i mean our users want to have the time on the remote probably not it is a question yeah it is a trade off in my opinion we should have only useful thing and because apparently they want the simplest it is better okay did you did you ever use like the timing of turning on the tv and based on very yeah okay very occasionally but i do use the i do use the display of the time quite often yeah but it can be on the display in in a corner all the time and the remote yeah that is okay that is true okay so no time button do we need to include anything about the speech recognition and speech commands or i i think i think i think it will not take lots of place we just need a microphone and software so and it should it will be a little bit new and interesting so people may be attracted to buy this stuff and it is not very difficult to put a software inside the electronic device and put a microphone it does not take that much place and also that much it does not cost that much yeah but we we should be careful about the battery life then if we use so maybe we think we can think more about that and discuss that maybe last time next time and yeah now the meeting room is busy somebody booked a meeting room just for at one p m so we should leave so now we are going for for small lunch it is founded by the company and after we have 13 minutes to do individual works and i will do the minutes and i will do the minutes and you are going to work on you individual works and you will receive as usual specific instruction and so on okay thank you cool okay thanks i am going to" ]

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[ "so in last meeting we have discussed the conceptual design and we asked you to prepare a prototype for the okay for the remote control so so let us see the what yeah so can you go out to the shared folder did you prepare the shared folder sh share folder for th your presentation yes we have a presentation because i have here so i got the participant 3 w 3 it is the final design yeah okay just one s so so i discussed with guillaume yeah right and so we have and we we are both agreed on some 2 versions of the prototypes because we were no not decided whether we wanted to have an l c d or not because it is too expensive so we come up with 2 versions one with and one without l c d s but both comes with a charger and then detachable and or control module and detachable big buttons for all people s okay so i will show you the the 2 prototypes so here we have the 1st one with the beautiful l c d display you you can s here and you can just browse into the the navigation menu by joystick joystick like button you can choose the direction and if you just push on it it is considered like a enter function you have on the on the side here the microphone for the for the speech recognition system here and here the the switch that control if you want why you why you you put it in the the side well i i i think it is the it is not a good place maybe yeah but no i i it is the all around camer microphone is not it the the microphone picks up yeah the speeches from anywhere is it an only a single mic or a microphone array well so it is a microphone array 0 it is very costly microphone array no it is just a single microphone yeah and you i i think we we put it here because i think when you when you are browsing your l c d you will be close to well it is better to to to place it here th than here yeah yeah yeah okay for instance and here is a little switch that control if you want the the speaker recognition system to to be on or off and so this remote control comes up with its charger how much does it cost this one well this this prototype is made for about well fi fi $1515 $15 for the yeah $15 but well it is not it is not yeah but it is just a prototype and if we if we optimizes the the voila ah it is above it is above the budget the cost would be le reduced yeah the and the the production costs we we can achieve about $10 how many b battery is there how many excuse me battery well f battery we use about is it n the 2 a a s batteries in it yeah a a rechargeable batteries rechargeable of course because we have the charger yeah rechargeable batteries we have the charger so it is no problem yeah and you just so 11 battery on yeah one battery is that 2 or one it is kinetic reserve actually it is a flexible thing you just n now what is the whole day rating for that the excuse me whole day is rating what type of battery 0 yeah it is just a r simple battery a rechargeable if you like it is exist yeah yeah something like a 2 a a 3 size batteries yeah yeah so and if you want to charge the battery you just put the remote control like that to plug in the the charger and leave it alone yeah yeah it is alright at yeah then the next time you pick it 0 it works i forgot to tell you there is only a single button there b this button yeah alright yeah just explain the button norman this button is like the mouse is like a joystick you can move in 360 degrees of direction so you can make a turn and it the additi functions associated to all the actions you ma you have a click you have a double click all in a single button you can move up down left right or you can do a swing so a swing to the left a swing to the right defines other functions so even though it is a single button but it is pretty s flexible because of the 360 degree movement and the l c d is this one on the remote yeah yep this is the version y that comes with l c d yeah here i present another version without the l c d i think it is not a good idea because after maybe one or 2 months of function is getting destroyed if you okay this is new prototype yeah it is so we have the the 2nd version also with the different button configuration the 2nd version is also simpler we d we had just i have to put the microphone also yeah yeah so basically th it is the same yeah huh and also the switch okay basically it is the same things as i presented before but here we have we have 4 buttons for navigation press one button acting as a a enter button so yeah according to what you said it is more robust to the user and it is also cheaper to produce we can produce such remote control for about $4 no $4 it is good and i think you forgot a point here to have an button to find the charger because that is a major that is a 0 no th actually th we will come to that point in our yeah it is it is it is embed in the speech recognition system yeah okay and if you disable speech recognition system then so w w i will i will come to that point later on so norman will explain to you and we will we will serve the charger with this yeah okay yeah yeah of course th they either these with the the the charger any in either versions you they they ha they use the same charger yeah with the remote control okay so the price of the charger included in the it is a standard module so you should get it for a cheap price thank thank you and so it is that same charger that you can use for the hand phone but again depends on the types i think we have to investigate more on that but the price should be below €125 yeah yeah but as the marketing manager says people is willing to people are willing to pay more for good design well that is so yeah people are willing to pay more but the company is not willing to invest more at the moment we have we have just yeah the price of selling is €25 yeah and the price of alright please go on norman with the special features production or yeah we will we will come up to that the the the thing that makes this the controller cheap is that it is modular so you want more function you pay more if you want less function i i if you want a reasonable price you pay for the functions that you add on to the system so is modular that is for this basis function and if you want more you pay more yeah yeah for example the l c d you can take it you can put it put it back in something like customized yeah yeah or you can use the other one or the speech recogniser with the microphone yeah yeah you want a microphone to put in the speech recogniser you do not wan you pay less for the system you see okay so okay it is pretty flexible in the yeah price you also have the the the 2 other modules for the parental control but yeah yeah you should present that and this is other one that that you ca you can add up to the to your remote control i i if you if you want to to have more more power on what you do yeah and which channel you want to choose and so on h here is just the the the module for the kids and th if the parents want to watch t v up they come up with their modules they just plug in it and they can have all the control they want here yeah we also have this module for old people with big buttons clearly labeled and it acts like the previous one you just plug in and it works yeah yeah the i the idea the the conceptual idea is that simplicity and powerful simplicity meaning that we have few buttons powerful is that all the controls with the one you saw we saw earlier in the meetings with lots of buttons n but here you only have few buttons but you retain the the same powerful functionalities but in addition with simplicity so that is the best idea the cond that that is our an innovation i in this design here okay now we come to other important features that i did not tell you the 1st one is the speech recogniser again it is detachable or add on and then we also have security feature for example this here oop it is very robust it does not break and the material what is the material again the titanium and so it is very titanium material titanium again and the battery life is is an is an endurable one again because this is a a batteries you can choose the types of battery you want yeah that is fine lithium ion may be a good one but you can replace it with cheaper one again you pay for what you get and then y the other p points are robust and misplacement reminder so when you finish watching your t v and you the you t you turn off the t v and then there is this message coming out that please put that back to the charger so so that is the or is it that is the reminder part okay yeah and and it also use a programmable channel and vocabulary so we did not define the vocabulary so it is up to the user to define so sorry and then because of the chil because children are using the device so we have also a a of t v programs by genre and this can be used by the adult or by the children so instead of choosing the channel you are choosing the t v contents of the night so it is pretty powerful and that is that is why the num buttons are reduced because of this feature yeah and and for the materials that is cheap to produce i think it is quite clear from yeah and also like the and the fancy designs yeah maybe we can improve more on the design but this is the what what is maybe yeah what is the price to p to produce well so the price to produce for the simplest one say we start from $4 to produce such a device it is about it with with with the charge the without without the charger it is about well $2 to produce the microphone and speech recognition systems with the charger okay yeah $2 for the for the add on modules and finally $3 for the charger so if you sum up everything yeah we do not have charger wi with the l c d which costs $2 you have 2 +4 +4 +2 +2 i think we can use excel it is about so the total cost if you if you want all the fuct functionalities will be about $15 we do not have all the options charger we do not have charger here either yeah no it is but it is just if you want all functionalities it is below the the the budget yeah excuse me it is below the bu the budget yeah it is a nice input but we have an we other inputs from the l public demands i think we will just have a rough look and then we can make our statements and we can finalize the product based on this discu yeah yeah i think we can just go to my presentation then we can wind up or we could come to some f final conclusions so the marketing made an evaluation criteria and these were some of the findings and in the market the people are not really interested with l c d without l c d with speech recognition interface or without speech recognition interface but most of the people what they are interested is 1st thing is they want to have an fancy look and feel it should be very fancy with colorful and very handy to hold and the 2nd thing is it should be much more technologically innovative of course in that we could put l c d or recognition to be more technologically innovative and the 3rd one is easy to use well i think that the technical in innovation is is in the product itself since we have not yet a remote who are allowing to to choose interactively with the t v screen with just 4 buttons okay and if we go to the next slide here you can find these are the latest fashion updates and so this in paris and milan they have detected this trends that the this year it is going to be an year of fruit and vegetable so people are really interested to see if they have an remote in the shape of the fruit or a vegetable or whatever they like spongy spongy so i think it should be much more customized to make a different shapes and the 2nd thing is and if the material they really do not want it to be very hard as in the case of very pl plastic or titanium it should be somewhat spongy okay but the the problem is that is it robust to mishandling we have you should find a material that is robust at the same time spongy a sponge yeah so so finally we have these 3 criterias spongy one is fancy look 2nd is innovative and 3rd is easy to use so these are the f 3 criteria on which we are going to build our remote so and we have an evaluation criteria for each one of these say that we have a 7 point scale from one to 7 and for each of the product you could just give me the scale according to this so now you have with l c d and without l c d so on this scale if it is true if it is if it has a fancy look you could just tell me one or if it is false it does not it looks it does not look much fancy then you could just tell me 7 so so so is the e evaluation depending on us or other users we can make our study on this and no no we have you have designed 2 products now one is with l c d and without l c d yeah yeah yeah but who will give the scoring we ourself or or a 3rd party you according to you no according to you designers how will feel does it with l c d and without l c d okay let us make this l and without l c d on on this scale the l c d remote control how do you look how does it look d is it very fancy or does not look much fancy well it does not look much fancy i will i will say 3 or 4 and you both agree for that and you i think we can improve on the design yeah som someone commented this is like a the stone age design it is it it we have been focused all all this time on the on the technical aspect functional aspect but also the simplicity technical aspects as for the design maybe we c should hire a designer to help so i take 3 on with l c d yeah a 3 so without l c d how would you rate it yeah 4 4 i think it is it is more easy to make f fancy things when it is not complicated so yeah removing the l c d gives us a li more liberty to to have a fancy look yeah and in the sense of innovativeness with l c d well it is it is the same for both so i will give a 56 5 with l c d and well 5 also norman please yeah from the innovation aspect i feel that what is most innovative of our prototype compared to the existing prototypes that we saw l in the last meeting is that the retrieval of t v programs by content because that is really innovative and for now and another innovation we have is simplicity and simplicity few buttons we have with lot of functionalities a lot of functionalities so without l c d so that is that is for both th our gi i think that the our our product is has the best in all well this is a biased judgment because we designed them no no according to design aspect we want to know how would you feel the innovativeness yeah the innovation is v is very high i think with l c d for l c d and without l c d both for both it is the the same innovations for both it is the same innovation okay so maybe i can put 6 to 7 6 let us go for 6 without l c d both no actually to make it with l c d you make more efforts so i there is high innovativeness included if you make it with l c d y then when it is without l c d there is not much innovativeness yeah no innovative yeah so we can not go there w there was a there was a issue here is that what are what is the display on the l c d talk about we have not really determined what are actually actually it is good to have a l c d but what are we going to display on a l c d i mean that what you are sayin that is what the design no it is like this i mean on the l c d according to what i understand from your model is you have a joystick here so let us remove it yeah and you have l c d you just press your joystick you get here a program yeah yeah but yeah but you have the same program on the t v screen then but yes exactly this is the problem no on the t v you do not it does not display on the t v now if you have the l c d but if n l c d then there is no meaning in having it on the t v yeah or then again you have a channels volume and all the stuff and what a but you cannot display all on a l c d i mean that depends upon your design so anyway for for the users who who who opt for l c d we will give them the give them the l c d we give what the customer wants right i mean yeah so without l c d you want to put it fi the same level of innovativeness and which do you recommend e easy to use with l c d or without l c d well i think both are really easy to use because there are few button buttons and well t p the menu are clear well organized so yeah yeah yeah well with little knowing of the technology you can you can easily use the product so i will give a 6 for the easy to use yeah i think sorry no it is just if i i see the the f the rate i think it is better to do it without l c d because that is with l c d just will increase the price and i thi i they have the same rate so without l c d it will be yeah yeah or we can just go back to the previous slide where we ha we have a few updates so i mean in the product design you could just amend it to make some few changes according to fruit and vegetable or a spongy touch without l c d and without speech recognition yeah yeah yeah even then our product is going to be very good yeah it is cheaper to produce yeah s and if the the well if we have less technology we have more liberty to for the shape and things like that so yeah that is right yeah i have another thing to say about the easy to use aspect i think the easy to use aspect is different for different people yep for the young generation easy to use may be very complicated because they w they wants lot of controls with lots of buttons for kids they want simply the s similarit for the old people they want simplicity so that is why we have the parental module yeah yeah that is right we can ha have build a more complex design if if they want it but but what i am trying to say here is that the we have different sets of buttons for different kinds of people so in terms of easy to use i think it is very user customisable user customisation is very important yeah yeah yeah so so without l c d i just take it 5 6 w or you want it to be 6 6 i think it is the same yeah yes as you say with better yeah without l c d s s 0 i think it is better to have this without l c d and to improve the the look as our program manager s pro project manager says that without l c d it is going to reduce the cost also and it is going to be much simpler to use yeah yeah yes and to give us more liberty to have a fancy look so yeah so let us go back to our laboratory and to improve on the design so what a what what about the sys speech recognition huh what about the integration of speech recognition the speech recogniser is a add on module yeah right that is going to be an optional yeah if somebody wants to buy it they can have it otherwise no ah so it is optional with the okay it is an optional it is optional yeah since well according to this study people more likes more to have a spongy remote control than i think it will be i think i yeah i think it will be better if we have all these modules in the same remote control because maybe parents will lose these yeah but i mean if you have an add ons the kids may just hide the parental module and so that their parents can not use it yeah or ma yeah or maybe parents they can for forget where they put it or so mayb better if you have all this in the same in the same set yeah and and individual buttons to make them work 0 the problem is if i we are bla if a customer wants a certain component yeah and does not want the parental control because it is a couple who do not have children when you sell the product in the market you could meet any kind of people and not all people will need all the functionalities we propose to them so we might lose the customer because of this i do not know what do you think so you mean that even if these modules will be will be functional will be optional yes exa what do you think i do not know you are marketing manag i mean how to how to how to make a marketing survey that how many married couple or how many couples have a t v or to the number or singles who have a television yeah yeah so based on that i think yeah but the the question is n does those modularity increase the production cost or decrease the production cost well it is about the same because if i think it inc increase well you can if you had something li i think it i increases 0 no because if you if you add something well yeah maybe because it is 3 different pieces to to to build but but you can make it on a single p c with 3 different options yeah yeah yeah it is i think it is cheaper if you if you already built the all the functionalities on the same module but yeah on the same p c b yeah yeah yeah well well the other aspect is that if in the when they have the ar existing product you you going to maintain the the you are going to keep the same customer because the same customer will come back to buy other add ons yeah that is right so so i mean you could just provide with an optional yeah i i so if do not do not buy now they can buy i in the future so in in that way you are actually keeping the cus the same customer attracting them to come back in again and again so it is something like a microsoft product update and and we we we we we we do not want that we are not trying to follow the microsoft and we do not want to the m updates and we sell it we make updates and sell it yeah well if the buyers can be up the th would be can be upgraded it would be a good thing right yeah yeah it depends on the v production and what is the idea about the shape of the remote controls can they be made into a fruit and vegetable types well so yeah yeah i think we are yeah but we are also the well the components will have to change because we have to deal with the shape and but i do not think it will increase the cost too much so do you require different types of p c b s and or it could be like this the p c b would be the same for all but only the exterior shape is different 0 for all well but it is a bit complicated to if if if you need machines to different machines to ah well yeah what we can change is to propose the customers with skins for example the i the mobile phones nowaday they sell different kinds of skin and then people just feel that 0 i have a new skin and looks better yeah yeah that is right yeah yeah we can have the same global shape and then add on skins and with with this tex spongy texture things like that yeah yeah yeah that is right yeah yeah you can pl in what material would that be in sponge i think you need to look into the material yeah or furry like a pet dog kind of thing yeah yeah okay so so we finished the prototype presentation if you have something else to say i think the project manager would be interested to look about the financial issues in making these models project evaluation project satisfaction for example i do not know we have to ask these question we have to give answers so i suppose that you this criteria is it project evaluation room for creativity this room is a bit small but but i think it is okay for us to work with i feel it is fine we know we do not need i think it is okay yeah that was good this is fine for making a presentat for project presentations yeah anyway we have the laboratory nearby to build our modules so it is okay yeah and the leadership was excellent yeah i think so good job good job fine yes he gave you the liberty to talk as you wants yeah that is right yeah that is right the teamwork was very very good very democratic i was really i am very satisfying to work with with you thank you thank you 0 alright alright and new ideas found any new ideas to make these presentations more interactive and more interesting come up with new product i mean what type of product would you think could we make this more interesting less fancy we i i know something we need more cakes more biscuits on the table while we have meetings yeah and also more well more seriously i think it is it is a good idea to have clear clear points whenever we do a meeting prior to the meeting to have well a list with the points who will be discussed or things like that but i think it is alright we achieved project goal i think yeah that is within the budget de it is w yes more or less and the evaluation was without without l c d without speech recognition it will be simple yeah that is right yeah but alright and the next is celebration so so so coffee machine alright then we finished yeah free free coffee okay yeah thank you for your work and yeah thank you thank you very much thank you very much" ]

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[ "i am going to last meeting we have discussed the conceptual design and we asked you to prepare a prototype for the remote control i did not so let us see the what yeah so can you go out to the shed folder the shared folder shared folder yes we have a presentation because i have here the palm so i go to participant 3 it is a final design yeah so i discuss with guillaume yeah and so we have and we are both a bit we are both agreed on some 2 versions of the prototypes because we were not decided whether we wanted to have an lcd or not because it is too expensive so we come out with 2 versions one with and one without lcds but both comes with a charger and then detachable at all or add on parental control module and detachable big buttons for all people so okay so i will show you the 2 prototypes here we are the 1st one with the beautiful lcd and display you can just browse into the navigation menu by a joystick like button you can choose the direction and if you just push on it it it is a push on it it is considered like enter function you have on the on the side here the microphone for the speech recognition system here and here the switch that control if you want why you you put it in the side well i think it is not a good yes maybe too bad now it is the all our own camera microphone is the microphone picks up yeah the speech is it only a single mic or a microphone well so it is a microphone error 0 it is very costly it is just a single microphone and i think we we put it here because i think when you when you are browsing your lcd you will be close to well it is better to to place it here than here for instance and here and here is a little switch that control if you want the speaker recognition system to be on or off and so this remote control comes up with its charger how much does it cost this one well this prototype is made for about well $15 yeah $15 but well it is not it is not it is approved the budget budget yeah but it is just a prototype and if we if we optimizes the the cost and the production costs we we can achieve about $10 how many battery is there how many excuse me battery well battery we use the 2 aa is batteries yeah a rechargeable batteries which rechargeable of course because we have the charger so it is no problem you just so 11 battery yeah one battery is it 2 or one it is kitty chick actually it is a flexible thing you just no what is the voltage rating for that the voltage rating what type of battery 0 yeah it is just a simple battery are rechargeable yeah if you like it is something like 2 a 3 size but yeah yeah so and if you want to charge the battery you just put the remote control like that yeah plug in the charger and leave it alone it is alright then the next time you pick it 0 it works yeah i am going to tell you there is only a single button there yeah just explain the button yeah right this button is like the mouse is it like a joystick you can move in 360 degrees of direction so you can make a turn and it they are these functions associated to all the actions you make you have a click you have a double click all in a single button can move up down left right but can do a swing so a swing to the left or swing to the right defines other functions so even though it is a single button but it is pretty flexible because of the 360 degree movement on the lcd is this one on the remote yeah this is the version that comes with lcd yeah here present another version without the lcd i think it is not a good idea because after maybe one or 2 months of function this button getting destroyed okay this is new prototype so we have the 2nd version also with a different button configuration the 2nd version is also simpler we have to put the microphone also so basically it is the same and also the switch yeah basically it is the same things as i presented before but here we have 4 buttons for navigation +one button acting as an enter button so according to what you said it is more robust to the user and it is also cheaper to produce we can produce such remote control for about $4 and i think you forgot the point here to have a button to find the charger 0 no because there is a major actually it is it is embedded in the the speech recognition system and if you disable speech recognition system then i will come to that point later so norman will explain to you we will sell the charger with this yeah yeah of course either this the charger in either versions they use the same charger okay so the price of the charger included in the it is a standard module standard module so you should get for a cheap price thank you it is the same charger that you can use for the handphone but again it depends on the types i think we have to investigate more on that but price should be below 12 and half euro but as the marketing manager says people is willing to people are willing to pay more for good design yeah people are willing to pay to people who are willing to but the company is not willing to invest more the price of setting is €25 and the price of all right please go on norman with the special features we will come out today the thing that make the controller chip is that it is modular so you want more you pay more if you want less function if you want a reasonable price you pay for the functions that you add on to the system so it is modular so there is basis function and if you want more you pay for it yeah yeah for example the lcd you can put it back in or you can use the other one or the speech colonizer where is the microphone yeah then a microphone and you put in then you pay less for the system you see so it is pretty flexible in the system you also have the 2 other modules for the parental control yeah yeah this is the other one you can head up to your remote control if you want to have more power on what you do and which channel you want to choose and so on here is just the module for the kids and if the parents want to watch tv they will watch tv they come up with their modules they just plug in it and they can have all the control they want here we also have this module for old people with big buttons clearly labeled and it acts like the previous one you just plug in and it works yeah the idea the conceptual idea is that simplicity and powerful simplicity meaning that we have few buttons powerful is that all the controls with the one you saw we saw earlier in the meetings with lots of buttons but here you only have few buttons but you retain them the same powerful functionalities but in addition with simplicity so that is the best idea the conduct that is our innovation in this this this design here okay now we come to other important features that i did not tell you the 1st one is the speech recognizer again it is detachable or add on and then we also have security feature for example you see 0 it is very robust to me it does not break in the material what was the material titanium titanium very again the battery life is is an endurable one again because it is the a battery you can choose the types of battery you want lithium ion may be a good one but you can replace the cheaper one again you pay for what you get and then the other point is a robust to misplasmary reminder so when you finish watching your tv and you turn off the tv and then there is a message coming out that please put that back to the charger so that is the reminder part and also user programmable channel and vocabulary so we did not define the vocabulary so it is up to the user to define so sorry and then because of the because children are using the device so we have also a pre filter of the a pre filter of tv programs by jean this can be used by the adult or by the children so instead of choosing the channel you are choosing the tv contents of the night so it is pretty powerful that is why the buttons are reduced because of this feature yeah and for the materials that is cheap to produce i think it is quite clear for me lightwood and also light wet and a fancy design designs maybe you can improve more design maybe yeah what is the price to produce this year well so the price to produce for the simplest one say we start from $4 to produce such a device it is about with the charger without the charger it is about well $2 to produce the microphone and speech recognition system pitch recognition systems $2 for the add on modules and finally $3 for the charger so if you sum up everything with the lcd which costs $2 you have $2 you have 2 +4 +2 i think you can use the excel we do not have all the options here so the total cost if you want all the functionaries will be about $15 but it is just if you want all functionalities it is below the pitcher excuse me it is below the p yeah it is a nice input but we have other inputs from the public demands i think we would just have a rough look and then we can make our steps make our statements and we can finalize the product based on this discurs yeah i think we can just go to my presentation and we can wind up or we could come to some final conclusions so the marketing made an evaluation so the marketing made an evaluation criteria and this was some of the findings and in the market the people are not really interested with lcd without lcd with speech recognition interface or without speech recognition interface but most of the people what they are interested is 1st thing is they want to have a fancy look and feel it should be very fancy with colorful and very handy to hold and the 2nd thing is it should be much more technologically innovative of course in that we could put lcd or recognition to be more technologically innovative and the 3rd one is easy to use well i think that the technically innovation is in the product itself since we have not yet remote who are allowing to choose interactively with the tv screen with just 4 buttons okay and if you go to the next slide here you can find these are the latest fashion updates and so this at paris and milan devs for they have detected these trends that this year it is going to be an year of fruit and vegetable so people are really interested to see if they have a remote in the shape of the fruit or a vegetable or whatever they like so i think it should be much more customized to make a different shapes and the 2nd thing is and if the material they really do not want it to be very hard as in the case of very plastic or titanium it should be somewhat spongy but the problem is that is it robust to mishandling you should find a material that is robust at the same time spangji so finally we have these 3 criteria one is fancy look 2nd is innovative and 3rd is easy to use easy to use so these are the 3 criteria on which we are going to build our remote so and we have an evaluation criteria for each one of this say that we have a 7 point scale from one to 7 and for each of the product you could just give me the scale according to this so now you have with lcd and without lcd so on this scale if it is true if it has a fancy look you could just tell me one or if it is false it does not it does not look much fancy then you could just tell me 7 so we can make our study on this so is evaluation depending on earth or other users no no we have you have designed 2 products now one is with lcd and without lcd but who will give the scoring we ourselves or you according to you no according to you designers how you feel does it with lcd and without lcd okay let us make this l and without lcd on this scale the lcd remote control how do you look does it look is it very fancy or does not look much fancy well it does not look much fancy i will say 3 or 4 and you both agree for that and you i think we can improve on the design yeah some of them commented this is like the stone edge design we have been focused all this time on the technical aspects functional aspect but also the simplicity as for the design maybe we should hire a designer to so i take 3 on with lcd so without lcd how would you rate it 4 i think it is more easy to make fancy things when it is not complicated so removing the lcd gives us more liberty to have a fancy look and in the sense of you know weightiness innovativeness with lcd well it is the same for both so i will give 56 5 with lcd and well 5 also norman please from the innovation aspect i feel that what is most innovative of our prototype compared to the existing prototypes that we saw in the last meeting is that the retrieval of tv programs by content because all that is really innovative and for now and another innovation we have is simplicity and simplicity few buttons with with let the functionalities so without density that is for both i will give i think that our product is has the best in all well this bias judgment no no according to design aspect we want to know how would you feel the innovatiness and the innovation is very high with lcd and without lcd for both for both the same innovation it is the same innovation okay so maybe i can put 66 let us go out of 6 both no actually to make it with lcd you make more efforts so i there is high innovativeness included if you make it with lcd yeah then when it is without lcd there is not much you know way to know what i can not go there was a there was an issue here is that what i want is a display on lcd we have not really i mean that is what you are actually it is good to have an lcd but what are we going to display on the lcd no it is like this i mean on the lcd according to what i understand from your model is you have a joystick here and you have an lcd you just press your joystick you get here a program yeah but then the same program on the tv screen yes exactly no on the tv do not it does not display on the tv now if you have the lcd lcd then there is no meaning in having on the tv or then again you have a channels volume on all this stuff but what to display all on an lcd i mean that depends upon your design so anyway for the users who opt for lcd we give them the lcd we give what the customer wants right yeah so without lcd you want to put it the same level of innovatiness and which would you recommend is it to use with lcd or without lcd well i think both are really easy to use because there are a few buttons and well the menu are clear well organized so well with little knowing of the technology you can you can easily use the product so i would give a 6 for the easy to use i think no it is just if i i see the if the rate i think it is better to do it without the cd because with lcd just we increase the price and i think they have the same rate so yeah or you can just go back to the previous slide where we are we have a few updates so i mean in the product design you could just amend it to make some changes according to fruit or vegetable or a spongy touch without lcd and without species recognition even then our product is going to be yeah it is cheaper to produce yeah and if did well if we have less technology we have more liberty to for the shape and things like that so i have another thing to say about the easy to use aspect i think the easy to use aspect is different for different people for the young generation easy to use may be very complicated because they want a lot of controls with lots of buttons for kids they want simplicity similarly for all people they want simplicity so that is why we have the parental module we can have a bit more complex design if they want it but what i am trying to say here is that we have different sets of buttons for different kinds of people so in terms of easy to use i think it is very user customizable user customization is very important yeah yeah so without lcd i just take it 5 or you want it to be 6 i think it is the same yes as you say we better without lcd i think it is better to have this without lcd without lcd and to improve the as our program managers project managers says that without lcd it is going to reduce the cost also and it is going to be much simpler to use and to give us more liberty to have a fancy look so let us go back to our laboratory to improve on the design what about this is speech recognition and what about the integration of the speech recognizer is an on module yeah that is going to be an optional if someone wants to buy it they can have it otherwise i saw it is optional it is an optional yeah since well according to this study people more likes more spongy remote control that i think it will be better if we have all these modules in the same remote control because maybe parents yeah if you have an add ons the kids may just hide the parental module and so that their parents can not use it can not forget where they put it or so maybe better if you have all this in the same in the same sets yeah and then individual buttons to make them work the problem is if we are black if a customer wants a certain component and does not want the parental control because it is a couple who do not have children when you sell the product in the market you could meet any kind of people and not all people will need all the functionalities you propose to them so we might lose the customer because of these i do not know what do you think you mean that even if this module will be functional that would be optional yes what do you think i do not know yeah i mean i do i do not i do not make a marketing survey that yeah how many married couple or how many couples have a tv or to the number of singles who have a television so based on that i think yeah but the question is that does those modularity increase the production costs or decrease the production cost well it is about the same because if well you can leave if you had something like 0 no because if you if you add something well yeah maybe because it is 3 different pieces to to to build a bit but but you make it on a single pc with 3 different options yeah yeah it is i think it is cheaper if you if you already built the all the functionality is on the same module but yeah the same pcb well what the other aspect is that if in the when they have the existing product you are going to maintain the you are going to keep the same customer because the same customer will come back to buy other ad on yeah that is right so i mean you could just provide with an optional and just yeah if so if do not buy it now they can buy in the future so in that way you actually keeping the cast the same customer attracting them to come back and again and again something like a microsoft product we do not want to and we do not want to update updates and we sell it we make updates and sell it well if the buyers can be updated it would be a good thing right yeah it depends on the non production and what is the idea about the shape of the remote controls can they be made into fruit and vegetable types do you require different types of pcbs yeah but well so the components will have to change because we have to deal with the shape but i do not think it will increase will increase the cost much or it could be like this the pcb would be the same for all but only the exterior shape is different for all well but it is a bit complicated to if you need machines to different machines to what we can change is to propose the customers with skins for example the mobile phones nowadays they sell different kinds of skin and then people just feel there 0 i have a new skin and it looks better we can have the same global shape and then add on the skins and with this spongy texture things like that you can fly in what material would that be in you need to look into the material yeah or flari like a pet dog kind of thing okay so we finished the prototype presentation if you have something else to say i think the project manager would be interested to look about the financial issues in making these models project evaluation project satisfaction for example i do not know we have to ask this question we have to give answers or i suppose to evaluate this criteria is it projective variation room for creativity this room is a bit small but but i think it is okay for us to work with it is fine we do not i think it is okay yeah it is fine for making a presentation for project presentations yeah anyway we have the laboratory nearby to build our modules so it is okay and the leadership was excellent yeah i think so good job he gave you the liberty to talk as he wants yeah that is right the teamwork was very very good very democratic i am very satisfying to work it thank you abbas thank you momo all right all right new ideas found any new ideas to make this presentations more interactive and more interesting come up with new products i mean what type of product do you think could we make this more interesting less fancy i know something we need more cakes more biscuits on the table bit scutes on the table while we have meetings yeah and also more well more seriously i think it is a good idea to have a clear clear points whenever we do a meeting pre out the meeting to have a well at least with the points who will be discussed or things like that but i think it is all right we achieved a project goal yeah that is within the budget yes more or less without lcd without special yeah but to be simple all right and then nice to this celebration so coffee machine yeah all right then we finished yeah thank you very much i am going to i am going to am one of the of that running good" ]

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[ "more if not more yeah okay okay so the 3 of you and let us see m myself and maarika who is not here and but i think so it it occasionally melissa will all be doing checking of the transcriptions so this is the 2nd pass these transcriptions are receiving and that is pretty straight forward i think you all kn basically have an idea what is involved okay but the extra step that we are asking you to do f in this case is to look at the silent regions and listen to them for each channel and make sure that no back channels were lost for example yeah back channels is what you n typically would find although by and large these are going to be silent so so you can start s checking by y well you you know you can order it in any way you like but start with the 1st channel and go through it entirely i would recommend i have found that it is easier when you are checking and you are trying to make sure the boundaries are right for a speech segment i would recommend like say this one go down here to the trascription transcription tier and select that it so that when you play you are certain that when it stops you have caught the whole speech signal for that utterance and have not lost any signal information otherwise it it is liable to keep on running and you might not notice where it where it finishes so it it takes a little time but alternatively i you you could just listen to the speech segments again and make sure everything is correct for those and so you could just hit and then like that and then go back and check the the silence regions in between how it if if you want to make your job a little more interesting you can d do it in m different ways on a different day yeah it does not matter as long as it gets done so we so are we checking what is actually been transcribed already as well as the silences so yeah yeah yeah you are doing so that is that is the role of the checker is to check what is said in the silent regions in the speech regions and then make sure nothing was lost in the silent regions 0 okay you are also responsible for resolving any uncertainties that were marked by the original transcriber and and you know of course there are going to be m many situations where you like the 1st transcriber can not make any sense of it and in that case it will be up to you to use the at symbol and that can be used to represent one unintelligible word or multiple intelligible words but just use one at symbol yeah exactly and so that once you go through all the s speech regions and all the non speech regions an 0 you could make another step of doing a search using going under the edit menu you can do a search for yeah find replace for open parentheses and that will take you to any that it any that the 1st transcriber might have marked out find replace yeah so there is one and then you can just resolve those all one by one as as a different set of changes altogether huh 0 alright kay and and likewise for the double question marks just once you have gone through and resolved all the open parentheses you can do the same for op double question marks 0 yeah and and like i said if you if you can not make any sense of it then just use the at symbol if you can just give it you know give it your best guess in these cases how much should you want i had a few times where i thought well it could be this if but if you are not entirely sure that it could be cause it c it could be a combination of something else yeah like put the guess down or leave it as ambiguous in some way yeah it is i would if you are v if you are quite certain then i would go ahead and type what you think it was said right if if you v think that n y there is maybe a th 30% chance you are wrong or or more there is a chance they could be it is usually a context problem because i think sometimes if it is not intelligible you either tend to because you really want it to fit the context yeah yeah yeah you tend to take the closest actual word that would fit the context or if it sometimes it sounds very clear as a word itself but then would not make sense at all and then you m question you know 2nd guess whether it is really what you heard right so maybe a good idea would be to listen to each channel one by one do listen to the silent and non silent regions and make all those corrections leave the unknowns the ambiguities the uncertainties uncertainties until later so go through all the channels and do that and then then you should have the context from all 4 speakers yeah and then go back and do those searches one by one for each channel how would that be does that sound good yeah it does tend to help that is what i have been doing so far yeah okay once you have been through the passage you have worked out what they are talking about you know it took li it like the 3rd time til i thought 0 you are saying f 5 you will you will know all too well what was said in this meeting by the time you yeah yeah yeah i think that would be really helpful it just came out of nowhere that would help us you know nab a good number of those uncertainties but if there is a chance that it is equally likely that they could have said something or they could have said something like ice cream and i scream then just choose one and leave it right choose one it c i mean y think of it from a speech recognition point of view again and always this should be this should motivate you be robust yeah what is most robust for a speech recognition and and leave out anything so you are well geared towards this task we just started our speech recognition assignment just now that is always fun so i have gone through sorry i have done that too you are an s l p person 0 never i i do not want to interrupt it 0 no no no when i did my masters i took s p one and s p 2 with simon king go ahead go ahead you survived s p one and s p 2 yes and actually i have done quite well in s p one i have done it a bit worse in s p 2 because it was a l a lot more challenging we have 2 new teachers for s p 2 okay too many and i will ask you later on like if you still have your notes yeah right okay back to the topic okay okay so this is one i have gone through i have just done one channel and there were lots of lots and lots and lots of things as you can see cause i have got square brackets around all the things that need to be changed so this person did not ha th obviously did not know about capitalisation so just about every utterance needs to be capitalized and and needs the end punctuation you know when you get like someone is talking and there is they sort of pause in the middle of a sentence that is long enough for it to put a break in yeah but they are actually sort of carrying on the sentence do you have to capitalize each time you transcribe a bit if it is mid no no no whatever makes sense to you no no no no yeah okay but no it it can continue into the next segment and that is perfectly fine yeah just okay yeah so it is put the hyphen and then i think that is actually the only case where you do not or where you are not supposed to capitalize right the hyph right so if it is quite clear that the sentence is being carried on the p you know the sentence from the previous segment is being carried on then that is when you do not capitalize otherwise you do okay and you only use the hyphen i think when the sentence is definitely not continuing anywhere yes 0 right okay yeah i have done a few of those wrong then when someone comes to check it yeah as in like it is i will review some of these things after i go through this a bit just to re cap yeah yeah th these are things that i have after checking t everybody is work these are things that were commonly left out or you know misc mis transcribed whatever okay so i will go over those t as an opportunity to use the white board okay so this person left out a lot of end punctuation and here is a case where i think she was transcribing an out breath or possibly an in breath t in and used the hash mark in any case i did not hear anything and and you should not be transcribing in breaths or out breaths okay right that is n information we do not need 0 you know this is the head set mic and i heard something there it was the creaky voice it was but it wa yeah it was a bit of a yeah it was creaky so yeah f creaky voice yeah but it is c really connected to the word can we hear it again yeah and you sometimes you do not know really whether it is a mic noise or that person is making that noise yeah well i did not think it was im let us see wait yeah yeah from the s there is there is actually quite a bit more in there than than i heard before from the this is so i w i heard a creaky voice and it was audible of the level of the rest of the speech so i would i would keep that i think that is good 0 okay i was adding that that is what i was doing yeah that makes sense okay there you go so there is things like that sh there is a missing false start here that did not get caught okay so i added that in so that that is something that is quite common in the transcriptions that i have looked at okay missed false starts missed m and how exact do we have to be there because you know some people tend to stutter more than others and then they would have a false start 4 or 5 times in a row and how important is it to listen to it really until you have got the exact number of a things right try to get it right yeah i mean the it i think syllables should be accounted for for th yeah well cause sometimes they go you know like that and then you are not really sure whether it is 3 times or 4 yeah yeah well do not let it drive you crazy cause there is one speaker melissa just played for me today and he stutters horribly i mean i i i would you know it is unfortunate for him and for us cause it is really going to be a nightmare to transcribe yeah yeah yeah so you will have to draw the line somewhere yeah but if you c if it is say 4 repeated if the word is repeated 4 times then that is not too hard to count i have not come across something that has been i have not come across anything exceeding 4 i do not think yeah have you well it is not that the word is if the word were the whole word were being used 4 times that would not have been that difficult but sometimes it is just a false start which is really just maybe one or one5 phones and then repeated and then you do not really know whether one is a long duration of one or whether it is actually 2 huh yeah yeah and that kind of thing so it is i think it was a word starting with d and the person was going or s you know yeah yeah make your best guess yeah try to listen to it carefully enough but not not so that you are obsessing over it for too long i would say and sometimes with the i would be thinking are you anticipating a or you are you t trying to say the and you are just saying the the the the the alright well there again f think about robustness and speech recognition and it really does not matter yeah yeah if it is a word fragment who cares yeah well speaking about it you are marking it as a fragment and that is what is important yeah yeah speaking about robustness if if somebody has an accent that you can only really understand what they are saying due to world knowledge yeah it what they say it does not really actually sound at all you know what it is then do you transcribe more phonetically or do you put a star of after every single one word well i would not de be using the star so liberally for a non native speaker or yeah that is what i thought that you are not supposed to do it but the one there is one i am transcribing right now you know a whole batch of dialogs where all 4 participants are non native and there is especially one there that i think he is eastern european and i think that is the only reason i can understand what he is saying at all because i am eastern european and but if we would just play it i think to a recognizer then what he says you know the way he realizes words sounds nothing at all like it it should be well right right i mean and and for that matter a lot of n native english speakers realizations are not going to be so true to yeah yeah i try to take consistency if they always stress the wrong part of the word yeah then i think okay i will let that in but if if it comes out and like one word is yeah yeah no it is less of a s it is less of a stress it is really like his i do not know just the phonemes sounding differently yeah well i would not bother to mark all of those instances though well you can not really because it would be all of it no i mean yeah they are they are you are going to find that for any speaker they have a set way of of realizing these things and and it is just like fiona was saying that the the word that stands out is something really aberrant like i am thinking of i i have used this example before there is a guy who says project instead of product and it is something like project and it is probably just his his pronunciation of of 0 0 ah yeah 0 i think i have transcribed him and i had project at all evolution criteria yeah well it it they were clearly talking about a product so so i m i marked that as a m mispronunciation or s or something to flag anyway yeah okay yeah and one guy who was saying evolution each time he meant evaluation and it took me a whole dialog yeah yeah 0 evaluation yeah i i have i remember that that one i would i would flag just like you did it that is something definitely to mark up yeah but that is really something i would always transcribe it you know for lack of better knowledge or lack of context and then at the end of the dialog it dawned on me that he actually meant evaluation yeah yeah and then i went back and replaced i replaced it in the whole transcription that is good that is good well at the moment we have a lecturer that can i can never quite s tell if he is saying problem or program program problem yeah and it i can not actually say but when i am listening to i am thinking and i can not tell yeah alright yeah i kn i do not know what to s tell you about n certain speakers yeah yeah basically th i think just do your best and hope for the best i it is just something we have to deal with hope he is not involved with these actually yeah i hope he is not involved with this yeah yeah okay so oop i lost my lapel lapel mic that will give some transcriber a headache yeah well we have both head set and lapel transcription wait so it is not too bad oops least i will not be transcribing the what do i care yeah let us have maarika transcribe that okay so there have there have been lots of missed filled pauses everybody seems to miss those some more than others so just really keep an ear out for those it is easy to cause you are so used to t t tuning them out and you know it is easy when i go back over i normally g like go back to the beginning do a quick pass of the main sections again and think ah yeah yeah yeah i i am not sure i miss them plenty myself but this this 2nd pass we should really try to catch all of them or at least most of th yeah sorry i am just seeing this with the t v there is t underscore v underscore i thought we are just supposed to use the underscore between letters no no no after that is what i thought the 1st day as well okay sorry then i have done it wrong so far okay yeah it should be after every acronym letter okay you know you standardized all the the filled pauses the and do we need to go through and change ones that people did differently like if i where i have written e r for change it all to u h that sort of thing yeah yeah so at this point the the only file that has been checked is melissa one that melissa did and that was checked by me so w we we are starting fresh with these and you know right changes like that that were just announced we will we will be able to catch for these 1st passes yeah okay so yeah y if you do see something like u h m for you you would change that to the regularized v version yeah just change it to okay and we just ch you know this is arbitrary but we had to choose something and not let it get too convoluted with with choice yeah yeah here is so if they pause just where you have got it highlighted at the moment huh that wor the hyphen there so i have to re do the meetings from the minutes from the last meeting was she was that a like w r real definite i am starting a new sentence here cause i would sometime if it sounds like he could carry on saying the whole sentence i sometimes do not have a hyphen there i but is it a t any hesitation but it is a back track yeah okay yeah yeah okay so it is not necessarily restarting the sentence but just a restart of any type we do the meeting the minutes yeah right yeah i think of it in terms of you know not even maybe to well a phrase if i th if you think of it in terms of a syntactic tree yeah it n does not have to go back all the way to the s node but it just m it might go back to the last node or something like that yeah just one to the next door yeah yeah yeah thank you for that description beata 0 goodness who would know what that was if somebody that did not know about linguistics were trying to transcribe s node well it is just my way of of knowing if it w sorry cause linguistics is all i have ever known yeah yeah yeah here is a so that answers your question about that answers your question about this one up here sorry yes yeah okay here is where i have i heard a another sound another false start or a stutter i would say let me see 0 yeah i am not seeing where this is you are 3 lines in okay okay okay okay so that kind of thing and there was a vowel in there but you noticed that she just used the and that is fine what is the okay the the letter d yeah what is the c is that a that is she would like see she there is a d judgment is that that 0 sorry i did not go f back far enough 0 i have not used that button yet where you have written at et cetera is that how we are supposed to be writing it yes okay where is that yes she is so she spelled it wrong yeah where up here 0 et cetera yeah so i d i mentioned that because of spelling and yes any g is it one word or is it 2 words i it is one word okay so i d i just said spelling because i thought it would be like et alii it is an admonishment sorry but in sh it is not it in latin like et cetera like et alii or et cetera like a t is no no no like et w you know when you have when you have a citation and you say et al it means and others et et al et alii is the full word and et cetera means and following so in the dictionary here it is one word yeah 0 in it is okay yeah yeah yeah yeah if you have any questions about spellings i i i think i m might have sent an email to this effect just check the oxford english dictionary online okay and that is that will be our guide so a as far as i know this is just missing an e cetera yeah but anyway you can we have considered experimenting with running this through a spell check you could take this as an emacs file and run a spell check on it but i think it would slow things down too much yeah yeah so just hopefully i in going through this very carefully you are going to notice these misspellings i think would give emacs a headache as well yeah yeah i think i if somebody could write i do not know how difficult it would be in practice to write a script that would ignore all the word fragments anything with a hyphen then a spell check might make make sense but to just use simple emacs it will basically mark all the word fragments for you and you know and i know from experience at some point you also get negligent you just click okay okay okay you know that is not a mistake and then you might miss a real error yeah yeah right so it does not make any sense yeah i th i think you are right so we will we will just hope that you catch it that is what we will do yeah the c okay so sorry so i think she just she did not catch the full form okay she was cutting off rather than saying she would like s to have see something yeah right right yeah yeah she i think she meant to use the infinitive but she just left off the to but see is a actual full word should not it there b should not there be a space between see and the hyphen is a whole word a space between she would like see you know not to be not to be pedantic yeah she would like see after the no the the c and the hyphen should not there be a space yes yes yes you are right yeah okay kay exactly thanks that is what i was asking yeah that was what you were m remarking about i should have just said it that way yeah okay there we go let me save that okay what else be careful about finding mis transcriptions so the would and w so she t she transcribed that as would okay and so huh no but sometimes it is really difficult sometimes you really do not know whether they are saying will or would well i think it is quite clear there that one was clear yeah he it it is his yeah i mean obviously there are going to be ca but if if it is not clear do i just pick do you just pick the more grammatic alternative or no you try to keep it as true to what is being said b yeah but if it but if it is really not absolutely not clear then use when they say instea you know some people when they swallow up the the last bit or do we just then transcribe i would have to hear it because it m sounds like it could be a fragment yeah yeah yeah it ju i would just have to hear it m i would you do not want to b be prescriptive and and type what you think they should have said yeah yeah but but i i i do know the type of scenario you are describing i just it is just hard to answer that without hearing something the should be capitalized yeah they should all i i stopped marking them cause there are just too many yeah okay but should it cause the loose is continuing from one sentence is not it let us see 0 yeah y you are right 0 okay right no that is right yeah okay there was a yes in there and okay was there yes okay yeah 0 yeah so another missed false start there was creakiness on the she but you do not need to mark that as a separate sound sometimes i have made buts after la like words after laughter i have made them capitalized cause i have not been sure if there is an if the laughter has been cutting everything off if it sounds like the laughter is just interrupting a an utterance that continues after the laughter i would not worry about capitalizing yeah okay so what about if a whole utterance is uttered while laughing do you put the laughter in front during or in what i usu when that happens what i do is i put laughter in front then the whole sentence and laughter in you know at the end as well if you hear just laughter on either side yeah do that so yeah no but it is it is laughter th throughout yeah yeah i do not know we will have to i will yeah there is some people laughing themselves silly at absolutely nothing while while they speak okay so laughter during speech i will f i will talk to melissa and jean because in the icsi dialogs they always say you know while laughing and we do not do that s so they say either so there it is really not ambiguous whether it is just laugh followed by an a normally spoken utterance or whether it is an utterance spoken while laughing i think there is a distinction there and we do not have that no we do not have any qual tags like they use yeah but i will f i will i will figure that one out and put it up on the wiki or email you kay good question i have come across that as well see 0 yeah i do not know what that that noise was indicating we can skip on there are other types of things i want to point out let us see morse code was that circuit okay i figure if she is a person that calls circuit circuit did you morse did she say circuit i did not really hear that how do you know it is that i am not sure if she did so would would you have been tempted to put an asterisk after that just if it is her i just caught the end of it and yeah no not for that one cir circuit but i had one person who said circuit yeah 0 okay but then i w but then i would not put an asterisk on it the i thought asterisk is something where it is c it is pronounced as a totally different word like evaluation and evolution no not necessarily no no it is just something that the speech recognizer is liable to trip up on i think okay 0 yeah cause i this is a very frequent mistake that no native speakers make to say circuit instead of circuit y that may be but i probably would flag it i depending on how how different the vowel sound was it is going to be your call in a lot of these cases oops yeah something like if ha i did that one cause it is well a language teacher would not low allow that to mo move on to the next stage that would not they would not let that pass sort of okay here or i would not if somebody that i would point it out to them here is a case of where i found it n found a case of discontinuity but you know because she is a non native english speaker i do not i do not know maybe that was grammatically n unmarked for her if you know what i mean yeah maybe that was not her re starting maybe sh that was yeah cause otherwise you could end up putting a hyphen after every hesitation mark that you have yeah so again i do not know that w that was my reflex at the time to put that there just if but just a prosodic marker rather than an actual hesitation yeah well as in a whole s like back channel unless you kinda get right 0 yeah sorry i th i just read the rest of the sentence is push buttons 2 words yeah yeah i used one word yeah i would type it as 2 okay okay i am going to skip ahead 0 let us see there was a c so i i hear she would quite clearly there and i think a good number of them you will be able to resolve just just helps to have the context and be able to listen to it again yeah yeah okay well it could be she would or should as well well yeah okay yes it could be a lot of things so there is there is another case where there was not a space between right a non word fragment and a re start okay what else there is an extra little symbol in here and that was just kinda carelessness so d even if it is something as brief as we are we are going to go ahead and capitalize that and maarika asked me what to do in the case of an utterance just consisting of laughter do we do we use punctuation in these cases and i do not know i have not been i have not either i do not think it is necessary no it is just too silly yeah no cause it is not linguistic well not yeah i am just thinking of you know an utterance consisting entirely of laughter and then putting like punctuation in like i know i yeah you could think of an argu or should we start it if we start the conversation in the common room like is laughter linguistic then they could come up with a theory someone is going to have fun transcribing that now delete and collapse sorry yeah but i am trying to underst i am trying to interpret my note here delete and collapse the surrounding segments okay i guess there there just really was not enough to transcribe there 0 d yeah yeah because it was it was really just silence and you are asking the person to just get rid of yeah so like i said click down here just to if you have not learned that trick already yeah and that will not play any surrounding segments so there is nothing there worth transcribing okay 0 i just noticed the the random yeahs like with having the hyphen before they are s if you scroll up a little way huh yeah that ha the 2nd one from the top thinking i am going to have to go back and find my places where i have had someone pausing and then saying yeah yeah and then this that i have not had i need to go back and find p put hyphens in this one 0 so you have not put a hyphen there i see i see yeah okay hyphens or commas commas commas did you say yeah 0 for g for that s type of situation no s alright no i have i have th i have sort it out yeah yeah okay actually a couple of times where they have repeated a word i have put a comma between them should that be no comma commas are fine 0 r okay i mean they are eventually they are going to be extracted globally so it does not matter how you use the comma right 0 right okay alright okay 0 okay yeah we can just wipe them out in one fell swoop okay so we do not have to worry about commas yeah okay cause i get i get quite prolific with my commas at times i i am too so i i like commas and then steve renals who is project manager had a look at m i think it was my transcriptions yeah okay what are all these commas doing in here but he did not he ultimately he said it was not a problem okay cool they will i th they will help in the case of discourse marking but his point was that they are really subjective i mean something that you the transcriber here yeah yeah yeah yeah just to make sense of a sentence yeah i really like using commas i i read somebody is p h d proposals yesterday and s and it is saying well you could have a comma in here and one there and 0 sh 0 she spelled cutest with an i so that that is just something i pointed out what does cutest spelling mean 0 okay 0 yeah okay okay what else cutest e s t thank you so here is let us see now this was our that one step behind so she typed our and i i did not quite hear that 0 okay but but i you can see how it could have been i do not know 0 0 yeah well if you were cockney then sorry yeah i do not know sometimes you get like an and it g you are not sure if it is an an a yeah or an m it yeah a or right and you can never know but if it fits well enough as a as an indefinite article then you might as well as an yeah do it as okay so which did you dec did 0 i was s i was suggesting that sh it be instead of our but evaluation yeah i it is tricky it gets ambiguous yeah the z z several vowels in there evaluala i do not know what is this well 0 she is i hear the well there yeah yeah yeah the but this being a head set mic channel m may make it easier to hear yeah she transcribed from the lapel mic i have had one person with a dodgy headphone with with dodgy something where most of the time it is it is as if they have got their hand over something 0 0 0 god that is harsh and you transcribed that speaker entirely yes the yeah it w it is for if that comes up again we have got headset mic files now in fact they replaced all the lapel mic files on the m m m server with head set mic files right 0 okay which we were not asking them to do but anyway they did it and so now we do not have the lapel mic files apparently the headset mic files are are just a bit louder and so you will f probably find yourself turning the volume down considerably right right but but apparently other than that they are just as good thank you for the warning right but let us know because we can retrieve the the other files yeah with some people it actually leads to some really screeching noises because they are so loud or probably the mic is so close i had this one in one of the 1st dialogs i did the g this guy called ed you could always see the waveform actually you know being just hitting the b the boundaries on on both ends and just being at some points just black segments yeah and when he was talking there was this whole like you know when you speak to close to a microphone and that was really horrible lot of people that say is this on and they hit it a few times 0 no okay i do not think i am going to go through any more of these because i i think i have gotten through most of the types that i meant to point out the rest how about names that somebody says the name of somebody and you think who right right and you do not know how to spell the name or if you heard the right name what are we going to do for that mister ed sorry 0 i had one guy one of the project managers was he had a really weird accent and he was calling one guy mister ed mister ed mister ed his name was ed and it took me a whole time to you find out that it was actually mister ed yeah or myst mystery ed or something or yeah 0 it no but that it was not one word that it was not like some proper name starting with m yeah mister ed i d i did see s i have been looking at some guidelines for another corpus and i did see something about proper names so i will i will have a look at that and see how we can handle that here yeah right well but do not you guys have have this data what know the people na people is names like when you yeah quite possibly but since it is coming from icsi it is coming from idiap in switzerland collect the data th are not people filling out a form or something yeah it w it should be easy enough to get but it is it is one other step you know emailing somebody to find out who knows this information okay yeah anyway it is no but it is information that we theoretically have yeah yeah because everyone signs a consent form when they participate in the experiment so we ought to be able to get that we did not sign one but but there shou we should also have a w a means of dealing with proper names when we do not know what it is or how it might be spelled at all and and flagging that in in some way so i will th i will i will try to address both things okay what was mister again i can not remember seeing how to transcribe mister mister just to 0 just just type mister fully m m r mister yeah m i s t e r i m i s t e r yeah no m and same with missus m i s s u s i believe mi u s mi missus the missus okay missus is it i believe i believe check check the dictionary sorry that yeah but you would never type the abbreviated spelling for anything missus missus yeah what if somebody calls themselves ms right well i am sure there is a spelling in the 0 e d yeah i mean it is not not that it ever happened but yeah m i z yeah so about foreign words what do we when we are checking if we come up something so we just leave it as huh 0 right so the transcriber is enclosing everything in carets and what you would do is is that yeah yeah not come across any yet i got one which i it was french so i knew how to ex spell it 0 yeah that is a good question because you will be leaving question marks there yeah okay i mean if it is in carets and they know it is foreign does that matter right it should not because things are going to be left like the asterisk will be left for the proc the subsequent processing yeah and the at symbol yeah but carets with question marks in between would have to be resolved in some way or could we just change it to an at between the carets yeah cause it is only intelligible theoretically yeah yeah yeah i i suppose that is all we can do really yeah you are not supposed to be polyglot transcribers here yeah 0 so even if we know what that word means we are not supposed to right 0 yeah yeah if you if if f it is a foreign word and you know what it is just enclose it in carets yeah yeah cause i have there is one dialog where i think 2 speakers are french like one is definitely french and i know she is saying and then somebody s saying something to her and she goes comment and then you know you know that so yeah yeah yeah yeah if you if you are confident that you have got a fair grasp on french for example why not okay 0 not really but on comment yeah and not accidentally translating in the process yeah okay there is there is just one other thing she she typed okay in caps 0 yeah i saw it there 0 c c 0 capital 0 capital k and huge no no i do not know why she missed that in the in the guidelines ok no yeah there it was are we doing okay just as 0 k not as a 0 k a y yeah okay no it is 0 k a y a y alright oops yeah yeah okay oops okay okay well it will be your jobs to catch all of these things someone is going to find some of those so no n no transcriber will be checking no checker will be checking their t own transcription yeah their own checking their own work checking their own transcription yes right yes so we will catch these things no transcriber will be checking their own transcriptions have to remember that one now more efficiently i think and on so i will just go up to the board do i have to keep this stuff on probably guess it depends how far you can stretch 0 yeah they have got clips 0 yeah cause every time somebody would be going over there you would hear all this sound of right i am mobile d yeah wrestling to the white board yeah i can hear the chairs moving and the alright and about 5 or 6 breaks in the between is the making it a yeah okay so i guess just for the sake of using the white board and killing a little more time i will just write down the things that are most common to be checked so let us see so 0 okay now 0 the white board marker has a camera as well looks like some piece of medical equipment wow okay s alright rather this is a list of things to do as the checker so you want to listen to the silent regions then check the speech regions and as part of that you want to check the boundaries and 0 by the way this should be transcribe any missed speech and just let us see what else okay and within this checking the speech segments you want to listen for or look for missed look for missed punctuation filled pauses words in stuttering and if you have if you have a stuttered word you do not need to use the hyphen to mark discontinuity it is just so if somebody says the the then it is just the the okay 0 yeah words in saint and what else try to get f false starts short words make sure with little words like the and little articles and that kind of thing do not get omitted short words and word fragments those are the commonly missed things and then look for cases of mis transcription seems so silly to be writing this all but anyway mis transcription so make sure if the speaker said will you type will not would or if they say we even though it might be more grammatically correct to type we are that kind of thing tha cases of ellipsis where maybe the transcriber typed them but really what was said was em so where you use the apostrophe m and look for capitalisation i am not going to going to do any more of this 0 capitalisation spelling use the 0 e d to check on things you do not know about refer to the wiki for all regularized spellings and f for things like filled pauses i just remembered one 0 was that okay when it is just as kay but it is at the beginning of a sentence should the k be capitalized no well apostrophe and then k a y w w and then yeah capitalize the k good yeah and that marker smells really bad i think smells really good you have been doing this too long i used to always love smelling markers it probably became addicted to the fumes grease paint what else did i find the so make sure the da the dash the hyphen whatever you call it is being used appropriately in cases of discontinuity but not in stuttering like i said and and do not use it when the utterance is clearly continued in the next segment or whatever okay do not transcribe in breaths or out breaths and okay should never be 2 capital letters it should be 0 k a y and one other thing is to break break up long segments if you find any so over a minute yeah but that is a kind of crude guideline i would i would say just anything that seems unmanageable okay so if something is a minute and 3 seconds i can still have it right ah yeah yeah really it it means nothing to say a minute it is just a g a really crude guideline i would just try to keep segments very manageable and a but u you know use these wave forms to help you yeah b and you can adjust the resolution so that 0 that did not help me too much but you can use this little slide bar to adjust the resolution actually that does not seem to be working if you just click on one of the arrows which 0 in in the resolution thingy it will the arrows by the resolution yeah on this one yeah no not not the other one this one not that one the other arrow next to it yeah yeah right okay okay 0 is that zoom in so yeah yeah yeah 0 and you can also if you go to signal and wow that is it is something under signal where you can adjust the amplitude as well on resolution 0 okay right then you can also wait 0 no i think that is not if you go to control panel huh signal control panel no no signal control pan the vertical zoom you can adjust that as well so if it seems too flat for you or you can not really ooh ah right that is good ah okay that might have made it s cause i i appear to have nothing yeah that is excellent alright but i was hearing stuff but i g there was nothing on my wave form yeah it is kinda hard to find where everything was yeah 0 that is that is good to know control panel okay yeah so to help you make cuts just look look f you know use this wave form and make sure you are not l losing any signal information but cutting segments down is a l a low priority but it it will help ultimately i think post processing wise right i do not i think i have gone a bit far in cutting mine down at the moment yeah you do not do not get excessive about it cause that just ends up taking too much time but i d i think from a speech recognition point of view it should not matter these segments being whatever length that they happen to be no probably not no i have seen other p people is transcription guidelines like f for the icsi project at berkeley and elsewhere say indicating that it really does not matter and it is the point is just to get em into manageable units okay and easy for checking at any rate rather than having to listen to a whole anything yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that is true actually that is the best reason for cutting them down but hopefully the that will be done during the 1st pass because that is the whole point making the checkers job a little easier and then yeah just m be sure after you have gone through the 4 channels to do a search on all the unknowns all the cases of ambiguity or whatever and what else was i going to say the way we will be allocating this is is the same as before th it is going to be on the th the same the same page just further down the work allocation page scroll down you will see w all the files i turned the page and i have already allocated some some things to be checked so if you run out of work go ahead and start checking because this is something that is considerably bottle necked at the moment okay right so is this the priority then yeah i would say for now w we do not even have much new stuff to be to be gone over for a 1st pass transcri yeah so it is important that we d do this 2nd pass and i have indicated in a column whether something is priority m i think i high typed high if it is high priority so d those would be the ones you would focus on 1st obviously and when it come you do not want to change the file name in any way just keep it the same there there is going to be a checking in procedure i do not know if anybody is mentioned this before but you will you will know about this with the c v s server yeah so th well i do not know about i know about this for the summarisation i have not done this with transcription yet turn the page it do yes right but it is be s y similar did you get the little buzz buzz yeah but they are they are creating a their a guy jonathan is creating a web form for you to do this all very simply and like just upload everything that you have up upload the file that you have transcribed and and you will be noting whether it is the 1st pass or the 2nd pass and y your name as the person who did that particular pass yeah checking in page 0 right and that will happen soon i will let you know so do we just open the file as we open the files for the 1st pass like open up the sound file and then it sh yeah yeah you will have to i would suggest creating a f folder called files to be checked or something like that in your home directory yeah and then within that create a s create sub folders for the the given meeting and you will have to get all the sound files unfortunately from the m m m server on your own okay yep because the the ami server is not very reliable for getting these sound files uncorrupted so you will have to get all the sound files from the m m m server and the person is transcription file should be in that folder where you are putting yours okay and then you will just yeah d you will copy that over you will not do not move it over because we want to have multiple versions of these things but yeah copy it into your directory and keep the same name then you will lose it yeah and then when you check it in it will automatically be registered even though the the 1st pass was checked in when we are doing this checking in business it will know which pass it is but i think you will also be indicating that as well okay it is vaguely connected question huh you you will know originally the like when we 1st like replied say yes if you are interested in doing this it said 6 weeks and the contracts say 8th of may which is longer in advance than which is a greater amount of time than 6 weeks yeah it is it actually 6 what is it is it 3 months i think sh yeah someone said 3 months i have got a 3 month contract yeah that is yeah yeah they are they are 3 month contracts and now if you can not keep that that is fine yeah but it is just a logistic thing with personnel where where we ha that was the minimum we were able to offer a contract for okay right okay that is 0 okay so if you have to bow out let us know as soon as you know when you you are going to have to stop cool right when it gets into the holidays and we are not necessarily around in the holidays and and yeah yeah obviously those kinds of things are things we will have to work around but yeah it is just one of those details right just checking okay once we actually get into the like easter holidays cause we are at having lectures at the moment can we be more flexible with our hours if we want to sort of i mean depending on who is using the computers i should think so i mean the whole point w of keeping well as long as you are able to yeah work out use of your computer with the other person that is fine yeah yeah okay the the whole point of having m regular hours was to make sure that somebody was here to answer your questions yeah sure or else you can like p yes but you have got keys so so you should be able to get in during odd hours if if you wanted to work yes yep if want and if you can plug microphones into apple appleton tower computers i can do it there as well if you wanted me yeah yeah yeah i do not see why not as long as you are you know doing your given set of hours for the week okay know what you are doing we could meet up and have a session yeah and yeah paym i i think you will all be paid phew that is a nice way to put it i think you will all be paid well have you not i am having sort some s i am having to sort some tax stuff out before i can even send my stuff in 0 cause i need to make sure i am sending them the right form okay okay yeah but they will not even know what examining board i got my a levels in really yeah for human resources i thought surely you do not need that information cause it took me it was about to take me half an hour well it did when i was like just going through the forms and filling in all the details i thought i am not going to spend w a couple of hours getting photo copies of degree certificates to give you for your files if i am just going to be here a good th they will not i think it th at one place it said give us copies of degrees no that is certainly not necessary yeah no 0 maybe i am getting mixed up with something else but it wanted a well it a level like examining board which seemed a bit ridiculous if you have any th problems like that see caroline hastings i mean if it is for this job and and getting paid that that is not necessary and caroline hastings ought to be able to help you sort that out right yeah yeah did not think so excuse me but j also if if pay is a matter like if it is a matter that you have not gotten paid for some reason yeah i hope that is not not the case yeah i have not gotten paid for the 1st 2 weeks cause i w i only have a 3 month contract starting february but i started mid january talk to caroline yeah 0 yeah cause i have i really do not know why that would be i am here full time now so i will i will be here m monday through friday and i l i leave at 4 now alright okay so you will not find me anytime after that okay alright but is your husband now a stay at home dad yeah my husband is at home with the baby wow 0 so it is your baby then on the photos yeah yeah one assumes this how old now he is 4 and half months 0 it is very lovely a nice jolly little baby he is sleeping through yeah that is the question i was just going to ask does he sleep yeah well only as of friday actually wow so he was i was just telling melissa this do you want us to stop yeah yeah yeah alright yeah yeah okay 0 good that worked out well 0 do we have to tick our note thing again when we finish this 0 yeah absolutely to say that we have" ]

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[ "it is not more okay okay so the few of you and let us see myself and marika who is not here and occasionally melissa will all be doing checking of the transcriptions so this is the 2nd pass these transcriptions are receiving and that is pretty straightforward i think you all basically have an idea what is involved but the extra step that we are asking me to do in this case is to look at the silent regions and listen to them for each channel and make sure that no back channels were lost for example yeah back channels is what you typically would find although by and large these are going to be silent so you can start checking by well you know you can order it in any way you like but start with the 1st channel and go through it entirely i would recommend i have found that it is easier when you are checking and you are trying to make sure the boundaries are right for a speech segment i would recommend let us say this one go down here to the you are trying to make sure the boundaries are right for a speech segment i would recommend like say this one go down here to the transcription tier and select at it so that when you play you are certain that when it stops you have caught the whole speech signal for that utterance and have not lost any signal information otherwise it is liable to keep on running and you might not notice where it finishes so it takes a little time but alternatively you could just listen to the speech segments again and make sure everything is correct for those and so you could just hit and then like that and then go back and check the silence regions if you want to make your job a little more interest in different ways on a different day as long as it gets done so are we checking what is actually being transcribed already as well as the silences yeah so that is the role of the checkers to check what is said in the silent region in the speech regions and then make sure nothing was lost in the silent regions you are also responsible for resolving any uncertainties that were marked by the original transcriber and you know of course there are going to be many situations where you like the 1st transcriber can not make any sense of it and in that case it will be up to you to use the at symbol and that can be used to represent one unintelligible word or multiple intelligible words but just use one at symbol yeah exactly so that once you go through all the speech regions and all the non speech regions and that you could make another step of doing a search using going under the edit menu you can do a search for find your place yeah find your place for open parentheses and that will take you to and the 1st transcriber might have marked out so there is one and then you can just resolve those all one by one as a different set of changes together and likewise for the double question marks once you have gone through and resolved all the open parentheses you can do the same for double question marks and like i said if you can not make any sense of it then just use the ad symbol if you can just give it you know give it your best guess in these cases how much should you want i had a few times where i thought well it could be this but if you are not entirely sure that it could be because it could be a combination of something else like put the guess down or leave it as ambiguous in some way yeah it is i would if you are quite certain then i would go ahead and type what you think it was said if you think that there is a chance maybe a 30% chance you are wrong or more it is usually a context problem yeah sometimes if it is not intelligible you either tend to because you really wanted to fit the context you tend to take the closest actual word that would fit the context or if it is sometimes it sounds very clear as a word itself but then it would not make sense at all and then question you know 2nd guess whether it is really what you heard right so maybe a good idea would be to listen to each channel one by one listen to the silent and non silent regions and make all those corrections leave the unknowns the ambiguities the uncertainties until later so go through all the channels and do that then you should have the context from all 4 speakers and then go back and do those searches one by one for each channel how would that be yeah it does so be help yeah much being for the passage and worked up what they are talking about you will know all too well what we said in this meeting right the time took like the 3rd time because i thought 0 you are saying f 5 yeah yeah i think that would be really helpful that would help us you know nab a good number of uncertainties so if there is a chance that it is equally likely that they could have said something or they could have said something like i scream and i scream they just choose one and leave it choose one i mean think of it from a speech recognition point of view again and always this should be it should motivate you yeah what is most robust for speech recognition and leave out we just started our speech recognition assignment just now so you are well geared towards this topic i have done that too so i have gone through 0 no i do not want to interrupt 0 no no no no when i did my master is i took sb one and sb 2 with simon king you survived sp one and sb 2 actually i have done quite a lot in sp one i have done it a bit worse in sb 2 because it was a lot more challenging we have 2 new teachers for sb 2 okay too many and i will ask you later on like this lovely notes okay back to the topic okay okay so this is one i have gone through i have just done one channel and there were lots and lots and lots of things as you can see because i have got square brackets around all the things that need to be changed so this person did not obviously did not know about capitalization about capitalization so just about every utterance needs to be capitalized and punctuation you know when you get like someone is talking and there is they sort of pause in the middle of a sentence that is long enough for it to put a break in but they are actually sort of carrying on the sentence do you have to capitalize each time you transcribe a bit no no no whatever makes sense to you but no it can continue into the next segment and that is perfectly that is actually the only case where you do not or when you are not supposed to capitalize right right so if it is quite clear that the sentence is being carried on you know the sentence for the previous segment is being carried on then that is when you do not capitalize i do only use the hyphen i think when the sentence is definitely not continuing anywhere 0 right okay i have done a few of those wrong then when someone comes to check it i will review some of these things after i go through this a bit just to recap these are things that after checking everybody is work these are things that were commonly left out or mistranscribed whatever so i will go over those as an opportunity to use the whiteboard okay so this person left out a lot of end punctuation and here is a case where i think i think she was transcribing an out breath or possibly in breath and used the hash mark in any case i did not hear anything and you should not be transcribing in breaths or out breaths that is information we do not need okay i think you were in there like 0 you know this is the headset mike and i have a headset mike i heard something there but it was a creepy voice yeah it was creepy so it is really connected to the words really yeah and sometimes you do not know really whether it is a mic noise or that person is making it yeah well i did not think it was a let us see right yeah yeah yeah hello i think so i think the one in the way yeah yeah there is actually quite a bit more in there than before so i heard a creaky voice and it was audible of the level of the rest of the speech so i would keep that 0 okay i was adding that that is what i was doing that makes me okay there you go so there is things like that there is a missing false start here that did not get caught so i added that in so that is something that is quite common and the transcriptions i have looked at mist false starts mists and how exact do you have to be there because some people tend to stutter more than others and then they would have a false start 4 or 5 times in a row and how important is it to listen to it really until you have got the exact number of the things right try to get it right i mean i think syllables should be accounted for because sometimes they go you know like that and then you are not sure when it is right to drive you crazy because there is one speaker melissa just played for me today and his stutters horribly i mean it is unfortunate for him and for us it is really going to be a nightmare to transcribe so you will have to drive the line somewhere but if it is a 4 repeated the word is repeated 4 times then that is not too hard to count i have not come across something that has been i have not come across anything exceeding 4 i think have you well it is not that the word is if the whole word were being used 4 times that would not have been that difficult but sometimes it is just a false start which is really just maybe one or one5 phones and then repeat it and then you do not really know whether one is a long duration of one or whether it is actually 2 yeah yeah i think it was a word starting with d and the person was going da da do yeah make your best guess try to listen to it carefully enough but not so that you are obsessing over it for too long i would say and sometimes with the d is are you anticipating a d or you are trying to say the and you are just saying the the the well there again think about robustness and speech recognition and it really does not matter it is a word fragment who cares you are marking it as a fragment and that is what is important yeah speaking about robustness if somebody has an accent that you can only really understand what they are saying due to world knowledge that what they say it does not really actually sound at all you know what it is then do you transcribe more phonetically or do you put a star after every single one word well i would not be using a star so liberally yeah that is what i thought they are not supposed to do it but there is one i am describing right now you know a whole batch of dialogs where all 4 participants are non native there is especially one there that i think he is eastern european and i think that is the only not going to understand what he is saying at all because i am a european and but if you would just play it i think to recognize her then what he says you know the way he realizes words sounds nothing at all like it should be well right right and i mean and and for that matter a lot of native english speakers realizations are not going to be so true to i try to take consistency if they always stress the wrong part of the word then i think okay i will let that in yeah if it comes out and like one word is no it is less of a it is less of a stress it is really like his i do not know just the phonem sounding differently yeah well i would not bother to mark all of those instances well you can not really make it no i mean yeah they are there you are going to find that for any speakers you have them except for you like these things and and it is just like fiona was saying that the the word that stands out is something really abhorrent like i am thinking of i have used this example before there is a guy who says project instead of product and it is something like project and it is probably just his pronunciation of do i think i have just had project yeah well it is they were clearly talking about a product so i marked that as a mispronunciation or something to flag anyway and one guy who was saying evolution each time he meant evaluation yeah i remember that that one i would flag just like you did that is something definitely to mark out yeah but that is really something i would always prescribe it you know for lack of better knowledge or lack of context and then at the end of the dialog it dawned on me that he actually evaluation and then i went back and replaced it in the whole transcription that is good that is good at the moment we have a lecture that can i can never quite tell if you are saying problem or program program program i can not actually say when i am listening to it i can not tell all right yeah i do not know what to tell you about certain speakers basically i think just do your best and hope for the best i hope he is not involved with this okay so i will give some transcriber headache yeah well we have both head title lapel too good oops i will not be transcribing this i do not care yeah let us have more i can not subscribe okay so there have been lots of missed filled pauses everybody seems to miss those some more than others so just really keep an ear out for those it is easy to because you are so used to tuning them out even when i go back over i normally can go back to the beginning and do a quick pass to the main sections again and think 0 yeah yeah yeah i am sure i missed them planting myself but this 2nd pass we should really try to catch all of them or at least most of them there is t underscore v underscore i thought we are just supposed to use the underscore between ledgers no no that is what i thought the 1st thing as well sorry then i have done it wrong so far okay yeah it should be after every acronym you know you standardized all the philposts of the art and do we need to go through and change ones that people did differently like if i were in ear for a change or to u h yeah yeah so at this point the only file that has been checked is melissa one that melissa did and that was checked by me so we were starting fresh with these and you know changes like that were just announced we will be able to catch these 1st passes okay so yeah if you do see something like like uhm from you would change that to the regularized version and we just you know this is arbitrary but we had to choose something and not let it get too convoluted choice here is so if they pause just where you got it highlighted at the moment huh that were the hyphen there so i have to redo the meetings from the minutes from the last meeting was that real definite i am starting a new sentence here because i sometimes if it sounds like you can carry on saying the whole sentence i sometimes do not have a hyphen there is it any hesitation yeah yeah okay so it is not necessarily restoring a sentence but just restart of any type in terms of you know not even maybe to well if you think of it in terms of a syntactic tree it does not have to go back all the way to the s note but it is just it might go back to the last note just one to the next daughter yeah thank you thank you that was if somebody that did not know about linguistics are trying to transcribe s node it is just my way of knowing sorry because linguistics is all i have ever known here is a so that answers your question that answers your question about this one up here okay here is where i heard another the sound another false start or stutter i would say i am not saying where is it you know 3 lines in okay okay okay okay so that kind of thing and there was a vowel in there but you noticed that she just used the da and that is fine what is the c is that a she would like c she does it is that that were you written out et cetera is that yes okay yes she is so she spelled it wrong up here 0 it is heard of yeah so i mentioned that because of spelling and yes any is it one word or is it 2 words it is one word okay so i i just said spelling but it would be like at ali sorry but is not it in latin like et cetera like at ali or like 80s no no like you know when you have when you have a citation and you say at all means and others at all is the full word and et cetera means and following so in the dictionary here it is one word 0 it is yeah yeah if you have any questions about spellings i think i might have sent an email to this effect just check the oxford english dictionary on my okay that will be our guide so as far as i know this is just missing in the e et cetera but anyway you can we have considered experimenting with running this through a spell check you can take this as an emacs file and run a spell check on it but i think it would slow things down too much so just hopefully in going through this very carefully you are going to notice these misspellings if somebody could write i do not know how difficult it would be in practice to write a script that would ignore all the word fragments anything with a hyphen then a spell check might make spell and it might make sense but to just use simple emacs it will basically mark all the word fragments for you and i know from experience at some point you also get negligence you just click okay okay okay you know that is not a mistake and then you might miss a real error yeah i think you are right so we will just hope that you catch it and that is what we will do yeah let us see okay so sorry so i think she just she did not catch the whole form she was cutting off rather than saying she would like to see something yeah i think she meant to use the infinitive but she just left off the 2 but the whole word it should never be a space between the scene a space between yeah to be she would like see she would like see no the sea and hyphen should be yes yes yes you are right yeah okay exactly thanks that was asking that was what you were okay there we go let me say that okay what else be careful about finding mis transcriptions so she transcribed that is wood so she transcribed that as wood okay but sometimes it is really difficult sometimes we really do not know whether they are saying were a word well i think it is quite clear i mean obviously there are going to be but if it is not clear do you just pick the more grammatical alternative alternative or no you try to keep it as true to what it has been said but if it is really not absolutely not clear then you when they say what instead you know some people when they just swallow up the last bit or do you just lend to it because it sounds like it could be a fragment i just have to hear it i you do not want to be prescriptive and and type what you think they should have it but i do know the type of scenario you are describing i just it is just hard to answer that without hearing something yeah they should all i stopped marking just too many but should it go if they lose is not even from one 0 yeah you are right right that is right yeah okay okay there were a yes in there and what was that okay 0 yeah so another mystical start there was creakiness on the she but you do not need to mark that as a separate sound sometimes i have made butts after like words after laughter i have made them capitalized because i have not been sure of this and if the laughter has been cutting everything off and it sounds like the laughter is just interrupting an utterance that continues after the laughter i would not worry about capitalizing so what about if a whole utterance is uttered while laughing do you put the laughter in front what i do is i put laughter in front and the whole sentence on laughter at the end as well if you hear just laughter on either side yeah do that no it is laughter throughout yeah you know i do not know we will have to some people laughing themselves silly at absolutely nothing always speak okay so laughter during speech i will talk to you and listen because in the ixie dialogs they always say you know while laughing and we do not do that so they say either so there it is really not ambiguous whether it is just laugh followed by an normally spoken utterance or whether it is an utterance spoken while laughing there is a distinction there and we do not have that no we do not have any qual tags that they use but i will figure that one out and put it up on the wiki or email you good question i have come across that as well let us see yeah i do not know what that noise was indicating we can skip on other types of things that point out let us see so circuit for the circuit for the person and circuit for very much to do it that is so cute i forget if she is a person that called circuit circuit did she say circuit i did not even hear that i am not sure if she did so would you have been tempted to put an out been tempted to put an asterisk if it is her i just caught the end of it and no not for that one i had one person who said circuit 0 okay but then i would not put an asteris on it i thought asteris is something where it is it is pronounced as a totally different work like evaluation and no not necessarily no it is just something that the speech recognizers label to trip up on i think because this is a very frequent mistake that no language speakers made to say so cute that may be but i probably would flag it depending on how different about sound was it is going to be your call in a lot of these cases something like if i took that one because it is well a language teacher would not allow that to move on to the next stage they would not let that pass sort of okay or i would not if somebody i would point it out to them here is a case of where i found it found a case of discontinuity but you know because she is an un native english speaker i do not i do not know maybe that was grammatically unmarked for her you know what i mean maybe that was not her restarting otherwise you could end up putting a hyphen after every hesitation mark that you have so again i do not know that was my reflex at the time to put that there but just a prosodic marker rather than an actual poll presentation yeah as in that whole black channel okay 0 yeah sorry i just write the rest of the sentence is push buttons 2 words yeah yeah yeah i would type it as 2 okay okay i am going to skip ahead 0 let us see so i hear she would so i hear she would quite clearly there and i think a good number of them you will be able to you will be able to resolve okay just helps to have the context and be able to well could be she would or should as well well okay yes it could be a lot of things my opinion is the 1st so there is another case where there was not a space between a non word fragment and then a research let me start okay what else there is an extra little symbol in here it is just kind of carelessness so even if it is something as brief as we are going to go ahead and capitalize that america asked me what to do in the case of an utterance just consisting of laughter do we use puncture we use punctuation in these cases i have not been i do not think it is too silly it is not linguistic i know yeah i know yeah you could think of anarchy i am just thinking of you know a lateral is consisting entirely of laughter and then putting like punctuation like aha ha ha ha ha ha ha someone is going to have fun transcribing my man if we start the conversation in the common room like it is laughing linguistic then they could come up to play a way i am trying to interpret my note here do we and clap those ones sing and so much okay i guess there just really was not enough to transcribe them yeah because it was really just silence and you are asking the person to get there yeah so like i said click down here just to if you have not learned that trick already and that will not play in surround random segments so there is nothing there with like kind of describing there is no the random years like of having a hiking before because they scroll up a little way huh yeah the 2nd one from the top i am going to have to go back and find where places where i have had someone pausing and then say yeah yeah and then this i have not had i need to go back and find so you have not put hyphen i see i see okay hyphons or commas commas comas yeah for that type of situation no i have sort of actually where i have a couple times where they have repeated a word i have put a comma between them should that be no comma commas are fine and eventually they are going to be extracted globally so it does not matter 0 okay yeah we can just wipe the mouth i get quite proliferate with my commas at times i am too and then steve reynolds who is project manager had a look at i think it was my transcript 0 these commas doing in him but he did not ultimately he said it was not problem okay cool they will help in the case of discourse marking but his point was that they are really subjective and something that you the transcriber here just to make sense of sentence yeah yeah i really like using commas i read somebody is phd proposals yesterday and you know well you could have a comma in here and what is there what is cutest spelling 0 she spelled cutest with an eye so that is just something i pointed out okay what else cute is yes too thank you so here is let us see now this was that one step behind so she typed hour and i did not quite hear that but but you can see how it could have been i do not know sometimes you get like you are not sure if it is an a yeah or not right and you can never know but if it fits well enough as an indefinite article then yeah do it as well so which did you just 0 i i was suggesting that it be instead of our but emolary i should this is several vows of it yeah it is tricky i think it is ambiguous i do not know what is this well 0 she is i hear the well there but this being the headset mic channel may make it easier to hear she transcribed from the lapel mic i have had one person with the dodgy headphone word 0 doge something where most of the time it is as if they have got the handover or something 0 god and you transcribe that speaker in time yes if that comes up again we have got headset mic files now in fact they have replaced all the lapel mic files on the server with headset micplats which we were not asking them to do but anyway they did it so now we do not have the lapel mic files apparently the headset mic files are just a bit louder so you will probably find yourself turning the volume down considerably but apparently other than that they are just as good but let us know because we can retrieve the other files it actually leads to some really screeching noises because they are so loud or probably the mic is so close in one of the 1st dialogs i did the guy called ed you could always see the waveform actually you know being just hitting the boundaries on both ends and just being at some point just black segments and when he was talking there was this whole like you know when you speak too close to the microphone people that say is this on and i hit it a few times okay i do not think i am going to go through any more of these because i think i have gotten through most of the types that i meant to point out how about names that somebody says the name of somebody and you think who and you just spell their name right if you heard the right name right what are we going to do for that i had one guy one of the project managers he had a really weird accent and he was calling one guy mister ed mister ed and took me to find out that it was actually mister ed mystery ed was no but that it was not one word that it was not like some proper name starting with m mister i did see i have been looking at some guidelines for another corpus and i did see something about proper name so i will have a look at that and see how we can have all that but do not you guys have this data know the people is names like when you collect the data yeah quite possibly but since it is coming from icsi it is coming from idiop in switzerland yeah it should be easy enough to get but it is one other step you know emailing somebody to find out who knows this information anyway it is no but it is information that we theoretically have yeah yeah because everyone signs a consent form when they participate in the experiment so we ought to be able to get that we did not sign one but we should also have a means of dealing with proper names when we do not know what it is or how it might be spelled at all and flagging that in some way so i will try to address us both things what was mister again i can not remember seeing how to transcribe mister 0 just type mister f r m r s t e r yeah and same with missus m i s s u s s okay sorry i believe check the dictionary yes you would never type the abbreviated spelling or anything what if somebody calls themselves ms i mean i am sure there is a spelling in the 0 a d yeah oed yeah so what about foreign words what do we do when we are checking if we come up something 0 right so the transcriber is enclosing everything in carrots yeah and what you would do is it was french so i knew how to explain that is a good question because you will be leaving question marks there i mean if it is in carrots and they know it is foreign does that matter it should not because things are going to be left like the asteris will be left for the subsequent processing but carrots with question marks in between would have to be resolved in some way or could we just change it to a nap between the carrots yeah because it is unintelligible theoretically i i suppose that is all we can do really you are not supposed to be polygots transcribers here 0 so even if we know what the word means when i am supposed to 0 yeah yeah if it is a foreign word and you know what it is just enclose it in carrots yeah because i have there is one dialog where i think 2 speakers are french like one is definitely french and i know she is saying and then somebody is saying something to her and she goes come on then you know you know that yeah yeah if you are confident you get a fair grasp on french for example accidentally translating the process yeah okay there was there is just one other thing she she typed okay in caps 0 yeah i saw it there 00 capital 0 capital k and a huge no no i do not know why she missed that in the guidelines are we doing okay just as okay okay okay it is okay a y it is okay a y a y a y a y yeah okay okay well it will be your job catch all of these things so no transcriber will be checking no checker will be checking their own transcription yes so we will catch these things to remember that one now more efficiently i think and so i will just go up to the board do i have to keep this stuff on i guess it depends how you can stretch 0 yeah because every time somebody would be going over there you would hear all the sound and the whiteboard you can hear the chair it is moving and about 5 or 6 breaks in the between they are making the way there okay so i guess just for the sake of using the whiteboard and killing a little more time i will just write down the things that are most common to be checked so let us see so 0 my okay 0 the whiteboard marker is a camera as well it is like some wow okay so all right rather this is a list of things to do as the checker so you want to listen to the silent regions then check the speech regions and as part of that you want to check the boundaries and 0 by the way this should be transcribe any missed speech and let us see what else and within this checking in this checking the speech segments you want to listen for or look for mist look for mist punctuation filled pauses words in stuttering and and and and and and and if you have a stuttered word you do not need to use the hyphen to mark discontinuity it is just so if somebody says the the then it is just the words in and what else false starts short words make sure little words like the and the articles and that kind of thing do not get omitted short words and word fragments those are the commonly missed things and then look for cases of missed transcription it seems so silly to be writing this but anyway mis transcription so make sure if the speaker said will you type will not would or if they say we even though it might be more grammatically correct to type we are that kind of thing that cases of ellipsis where maybe the transcriber typed them but really what was said was so where you are use the apostrophe and look for capitalization i am not going to do any more of this capitalization spelling use the oed to check on things you do not know about refer to the wiki for all regularized spellings and for things like field pauses i just remembered one 0 what is that okay when it is just a k but it is at the beginning of a sentence should the k be capital or apostrophe and then k a y and then yeah capitalized the k good and that much smells really bad i think it smells very good even in it is too long i used to always love small workers 0 became addicted to the things grease paint what else did i find so the make sure the dash the hyphen whatever you call it is being used appropriately cases of discontinuity but not in stuttering like i said and do not use it when the utterance is clearly continued in the next segment or whatever do not transcribe in breaths or out breaths and ok should never be 2 capital letters it should be ok a y and one other thing is to be break up long segments if you find any over a minute yeah but that is a kind of crude guideline i would say just anything that seems unmanageable so if something is a minute and 3 seconds i can still have it right yeah really it means nothing to say a minute it is just a really crude guideline i would just try to keep segments very manageable but use these waveforms to help help you and you can adjust the resolution so that you know that did not help me too much but you can use this little slide bar to adjust the resolution actually it seems to be working which the errors by the resolution it will yeah not that one the other hour next year yeah yeah right okay okay so yeah 0 and you can also if you go to signal and it is something under signal where you can interest the amplitude as well on resolution okay right okay right no i think that is not if you go to control panel signal control panel no signal control no signal control the vertical zoom you can interest that as well so it seems too flat for me all right that is good okay all right i appear to have nothing i was hearing stuff but there was nothing on my waveform i had to find where everything was 0 that is good to know okay yeah so to help you make cuts just use this waveform and make sure you are not losing any signal information but cutting segments down is a lot priority but it will help ultimately i think post processing wise i do not have gone a bit far in cutting my down at the moment yeah do not do not get excessive about it because that just ends up taking too much time but i i think from a speech recognition point of view it should not matter the segments being whatever length that they happen to be i have seen other people is transcription guidelines like for the ixie project at berkeley and elsewhere indicating that it really does not matter the point is just to get them into manageable units easy to checking it in it right rather than to listen to a hole yeah yeah yeah yeah that is true actually that is the best reason for cutting them down but hopefully that will be done during the 1st pass because that is the whole point making the checker is job a little easier and then yeah just be sure after you have gone through the 4 channels to do a search on all the unknowns all the cases of ambiguity or whatever and what else was i going to say the way we will be allocating this is the same as before it is going to be on the same page just further down scroll down you will see all the files and i have already allocated some things to be checked so if you run out of work go ahead and start checking because this is something that is considerably bottlenecked at the moment so is this the priority then yeah i would say for now we do not even have much new stuff to be gone over for a 1st pass so it is important that we do the 2nd pass and i have indicated in a car where there is something that is priority i think a high priority it is high priority so those would be the ones you could focus on 1st obviously and then it comes you do not want to change the file name in any way just keep it the same there is going to be a checking in procedure i do not know if anybody is mentioned this before but you will know about this with the cvs server yeah well i do not know about i know about i know about i know about this for the summarization i have not done this right but it will be similar but they are creating a there a guy jonathan is creating a web form for you to do this all very simply just upload everything that you have upload the file that you have transcribed and you will be noting whether it is the 1st pass or the 2nd pass and your name is the person who did that particular pass and that will happen soon i will let you know so do we just open the file as we open the files for the 1st part yeah open the sound file yeah you will have to i would suggest creating a folder called files to be checked or something like that in your home do you yeah and then within that create subfolders for the given meeting and you will have to get all the sound files unfortunately from the server on your own because the ami server is not very reliable for getting these sound files uncorrupted so you will have to get all the sound files from the server and the person is transcription file should be in that folder where you are putting yours 0 okay and then you will just yeah you will copy that over you will not do not move it over it because we want to have multiple versions of these things but yeah copy it into your directory and keep the same name and then when you check it in it will automatically be registered even though the 1st pass was checked in when we are doing this checking in business it will know which pass it is but i think you will also be indicating that as well it is vaguely connected questions you will know originally the like when the 1st like the fly to say yes we are interested in if it said 6 weeks and the contracts say 8th of may which is longer in advance than which is a greater amount of time than 6 weeks yeah it is actually 6 what is it is it 3 months i think i have got a 3 month contract yeah the 3 month contracts and now if you can not keep that that is fine but it is just a logistic thing with personnel where we had that was the minimum we were able to offer a contract so if you have to let us know as soon as you know when you you can get into the holidays and not necessarily learning the holidays obviously those kinds of things will have to work around but yeah it is just one of those just checking once we actually get into the east of holidays because we are having lectures at the moment can we be more flexible without hours if we want or so i should think so i mean the whole point of keeping well as long as you are able to work out use of your computer with the other person that is fine yeah the whole point of having regular hours was to make sure that somebody was here to answer your questions yeah sure but you have got keys yes so you should be able to get in doing odd hours if you wanted to work and if you can plug mic pose into apple and tau computers and you are thinking there as well yeah yeah yeah i do not see why not as long as you are doing you you could give them a set of hours to be yeah and yeah i think you will be paid i think you will be paid well i am having to sort of tax stuff out before i can send my stuff in because i need to make sure i am sending them the right form but they wanted to know what examining board i got my a levels in really yeah for human resources i thought surely you do not need that information because it took me it was about to take me half an hour well it did when i was like just going through the forms and filling in all the details i thought i am not going to spend a couple of hours getting photocopies of degree certificates to give you for your files no that is certainly not i think at one place it said gives us copies of degrees 0 maybe they are getting mixed up with something else but it wanted a well a level like examining board which seemed a bit ridiculous if you have any problems like that see caroline i mean if it is for this job then getting paid that is not necessary and carolyn has been able to help you sort that out but also if pay is a matter like it is a matter that you have not gotten paid for some me i hope that is not yeah i have not gotten paid for 2 weeks because i only have a 3 month contract starting february but i started in january talk to canada because i really do not know why that would be i am here full time so i will be here monday to friday and i leave at 4 now so you will not find me any time after that but your husband now stayed home dad yeah my husband is a whole baby 0 so it is your baby then yeah one assumes this how old is he is 45 months 0 it is very lovely yeah that is the question i was just going to ask as we sleep yeah well only as a friday actually i was telling melissa this do you want us to stop yeah yeah yeah okay 0 good that worked out well 0 do we have to take on that thing again when we finish this 0 yeah to say that we have" ]

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[ "hello this meeting we are it is fo should be focused on the conceptual design of the remote control hello hello the goal of this meeting is to reach a decision at the end on the concept and i think the last time we talked about an a lot and we had a rough idea of what is going to be but in th at the end of this meeting we have to to reach a decision so we will have again 3 presentation from all of you and i hope it will be fast because i would like to have time to for long discussion and and decisions so who wants to start i s okay okay no no you you can start okay i will start so start can you open my presentation please i am number 4 trend this one yep can you pass the mouse please 0 okay that is fine turn okay so basically i just want to presented to you present to you some recent results we have had from looking at some remote control market research and some fashion trends around the world the fashion trends we got from talking to our our contacts in the fashion industry based in paris and milan so f from our market research basically we have come to the conclusion that a fancy look and feel as opposed to a functional look and feel is our number one priority fancy is is is is the you know highest priority secondly that our remote control needs to be techn technologically innovative so this is t number 2 priority but it is 2 times less important as the fancy criteria and 3rd thirdly the easiness of use is is the is is important as well but again 2 times less important as the technologically innovativeness of the remote control from our f fashion people in paris and milan we have discovered that this year fruit the fruit and vegetable motif will be the most important thing in in clothes shoes and furniture so i am pretty confident that our remote control fits into the furniture category and also the feel of material this year is expected to be spongy okay so hopefully our remote control reflects that s in some way what does it mean spongy sort of squishy like soft or something yeah soft like a like a sponge like a sponge i do not know yeah okay yeah i will see so in conclusion we need a our remote control needs to be something that is really fancy has lots of technolog tech technology in it somehow would be good to have it related to fruit and vegetables with a spongy feel okay and that it is easy to use and from our last meeting our you know fabian told us that w you know one of the requirements is that we have to reflect the look and feel of our of th the real reaction company yeah yeah that is it easy to use is it a as much as important than technology or fancy thing it is less important right less important so fanciness 1st and then 2 ti you know half as important as that is technology technology and half important as technology is easy to use yeah yeah okay so so hamed can you yeah the 2nd one could you please show the presentation number 3 i think the biggest struggle will be the easy to use feature we will see yeah number 3 3 this one yes just could you please check if it is the 1st one or the 2nd n n no it is the 1st one the 2nd one so it is not this one yeah okay okay so i am going to talk about a little bit about how this remote control should be appear to be more easy to use i think i think the feature easy to use is more important than being fancy but okay we can discuss about it later generally generally this remote control should be should be something in my opinion the 1st feature is just to be easy to use so the more frequent buttons should be larger they should be placed in a good position inside the remote control and s i can conclude like this that we should not need to learn how to use it it should be we should not need to es open a a t book and start reading and learning how to use this this remote control okay so what i found out that as i said i think it is better to put more frequent ke buttons which are used more in the middle of the remote control and they should be bigger in size the shape of remote control should be in a way which can which should be taken easily in hand it should not be completely like a cube it should be it should have round edge so then it is easier exactly and maybe just like some toys some joystick which is easier to take inside the hand and also f m because because customers does not like to buy lots of battery it should not consume lots of energy okay and my personal p preference is as i said just putting this buttons in a special places and covered some buttons which are not used that much like settings button like mobile phone usually some mobile phone cover the dialing number part so we can cover these buttons which are not used or number buttons for the for the for the can channels and just put volume change or s ch can channel change buttons in the remote control and if the user needed to do some more complex task he he can open the cover and then change settings or something like this and also i think if we put some some some some some buttons inside of the remote control it can be used easier not on remote control i dunno if i can explain well but just inside for example a sliding or rolling d stuff if we put it inside then we can easily manipulate with thumb so it can be another preference and i dunno but i think usage of a speech recogn r recogniser can be good i know that it consumes lots of energy but if we do it in some way that it asleeps when there is no sound and when it detects some sound it may consume less energy and i think it is good because it is something new and usually young people like something new so it may not be very useful but because it is new people may buy it i personally think there should be a big difference between between something otherwise they prefer to buy something which is coming from a famous company or okay that is mine okay okay so good news from me for me from hamed but bad news from bob obviously because spongy design i do not like it as okay so could you please fabien open it yeah i am person 2 and which one probably the 1st one i am not sure but check the 1st one i most of the things i have to write myself on the board but yeah that is it this one yeah just it is only this slide yeah this this is just one thing i wanted to mention and show you that i just i just found this that our company developed a s a 7 f 7 fingers or i will just yeah inch 77 inch t t f t screen which is good news for us since we wanted to include a display there so i i probably draw it down raw scheme 0 this is this is the stuff that i can use to okay oops so the this will be like the overall scheme or overall requirements from the engineering point of view 1st thing is this will be the overall shape no i am not speaking about the real shape of the device but the shape of the inside of the device so there will be some circuit for the power so say power circuit here the main energy will be taken from batteries that we can and if we decide to use the speech recognition stuff there we must use additional source of energy which i found the best is to use the solar cells which can which can supply everything i was computing all the all the things related to the speech recognition and it is okay to use just 2 batteries and solar cells so so no problem there can be also solar cell the main board with all the circuits will take at least 7 to 7 centimeters so this is my like hard requirement for the guys from the design so at least 7 to 7 it depends where you put your screen because the screen is 7 inch so it depends on you where where you put it it does not matter it is just one cord from from the main board to the screen which can be elsewhere so this will be t f t and on the main board we have the interface to the microphone which is somewhere say here interface to the microphone then the graphical card for the t f t and the 3rd unit is the i r the good news is that we can we decided to use the infra red unit because our company has also developed the chip for communication by the infra red including all the stuff inside so it will be very cheap for us so infra red here so the once again the overall requirements 7 to 7 centimeters for the board which has to be which can be spongy but has to be this size and the t f t which is 7 inches i have to check what i wanted to from my point of view i do not care about the about the material used for the overall des ov all the device can you fit any for example a t f t or any electronic device in a spongy thing or is there any problem for that for example put electronic card on a spongy thing i can i can imagine it could be a problem a all these things in in in this box are okay to put in in any shape basically but we have to take care of the t f t yep well sponginess maybe it a good feature since it takes if it is around the t f t then it is good because it is just keeps it safe i dunno okay so well maybe it can have 2 shells a hard shell inside and a spongy shell outside so okay maybe put electronic in a box and a spongy thing around well it is maybe related to the u i maybe after so yeah ca can i ask a question a yeah that is all from me this 7 inch t f t screen how big is it in reality yeah well 7 to 7 inches so like that yes that is quite big have we decided that we are going to use this t f t screen yeah but no i do not think it is 7 by 7 i think it is 7 the diagonal is 7 to be honest i was usually when they say 7 inch i think it is the diagonal but i mean even even that is like this big yeah yes yeah i dunno i dun i dun one each but yeah yeah honestly speaking i was thinking that it was 7 centimeters initially but it is 7 inches yeah but i i think we can we can cut it you can cut the t f t screen let us go yeah no no problem because because because then the size of the graphic card will be 14th so let us cut the t f t so yeah but no problem to to me to cut the screen okay so so so for the same price we have 4 screens now okay these technical engineers huh so what is the size of the device ah well this is like this is almost nothing 7 to 7 to at least well some 3 millimeters or something even from my perspective 7 t 7 centimeters by 7 centimeters is still yeah but we wanted the big buttons and stuff like that you know is it can you hold that or because if it is t too small we can we can lose it at home you know what user wants he wants a small remote control or yeah a small c control that they can hold in hand with big buttons i thought that it it should fit in the hand or something yes it is difficult a sm but is something that is 7 centimeters square e easy to hold w i i think so i if the roller buttons are on the side you do not have to catch it like that but just like this and you know follow follow well that is that is no task for me but well 7 to 7 at least yeah but so maybe you can finish your presentation and afterwards we will discuss about all this maybe this 0 okay okay okay thanks that is it okay so no so i think we have a lot we have to take decision today so i think we have to do some work to finalize our idea and take decisions 1st i think energy it is a key problem because it depend what can we have as feature if we use only batteries for example or something like that because can we have l c d and speech recognition with battery and it is also r related to the size of the of the devi of the device not j just a point to the energy th things if we use the batteries and the additional so solar cell then it is okay for l speech recognition and l c d so no problem in energy i think okay so okay but we have to use the solar cell so but otherwise not like but using how many batteries for example are are what maybe what is the size of the battery yeah i was thinking just common a a cells okay 12 so like 3 to 5 centimeters i dunno exactly but okay so if we use s solar cells where is the sun if someone is watching t v inside s d does not need to be sun it it is just the daylight you know okay the television lights yeah well i i suppose that i suppose that that this remote control will not be in the in the room like this where there is light only when when there are people but at least when there is t v you can get light from the t v yeah from the t i do not think it is enough yeah i dunno okay okay ah it is a it is a compromise no at least it is new and maybe technology new technology yeah that is why i wanted to to include the speech recognition because you wanted all the new things it is it is quite innovative yes yeah and if you watch t v outside it is very useful so i think before talking about the other thing it is important thing it is the case what what are going to be the size because its weight drives the other what we are going to use as features and so on for example for the for the l c d if we choose to have a small device we cannot use this a such a a a screen the s the screen is okay but the board that is the problem well what what would you guess as a shape or what what would be the shape i think i think their being large or small is not important the only important thing is to be able to take it in inside hand easily so let us say an average size okay and it should not be very heavy also and i prefer to is it should not have a uniform shape so in the middle it should be a little bit thinner maybe maybe so we c it is like like some joysticks you can take some some joystick you can take inside hand easier because it is it is designed for your f taking into account your finger shape and your palm shape so the general shape should be like this i think 7 centimeter by 7 centimeter is a little bit large so 7 not 7 but let us say 5 by 10 it is i think it is that is my opinion okay which is the same area it is easier okay yeah could you re could you redesign your board 5 to 10 055 centimeters by 10 centimeters well that yeah right yeah yeah i think it is feasib well one how could we do it we could put the board next to well under the l c d and for example make the l c d be totally unrelated to the thing that you hold in your hand like holding something and the l c d to be just on top of it you know somehow well but maybe let us stick to the s spongy thing like one unit 0 i have i s i think the easiest thing would be to to have a smaller l c d if it is possible well fi 5 to 10 it would be feasible okay so 5 to 10 i i think it is it is feasible okay so we are agree with a small i will make it or or i do not know but i do not want to now invent something new because we did not discuss about it fo 5 by 10 l c d so using some l c d s we can touch so we can remove keys and just having i dunno the name l c d responding to fingers yeah touching the screen something like like tactile tactile or something yeah touch screen touch screen yeah so but for now if we do not want to use such kind of screens i i think we using a a smaller screen is better because yeah the problem is we have a limit in a month of time so we cannot do something very new so let us go for a small l c d so okay so yeah so so just just give me the the the 5 by 10 numbers that you find the best and send it me and i will work it out a smaller s yeah okay okay so 5 by s 10 so what about so the case we talked about something easy to use you said something easy to use but how does that fit in a fashion way like with fruit and vegetable and about the color and logo of the of the company and so on now can we do that my 1st idea is because our color is more yellow and the it should be easy to take in a hand i thought about banana or something like that which is fruits and 7 to 10 banana a big banana okay rather mango or something or well it is it is definitely the obvious choice with the color of our company yeah i mean what other what other fruit and vegetables do you know of any any other fruit and vegetables that are yellow yeah but it is just an idea i dunno what you think about but yeah i dunno if it can fit with the technology you are the specialists of that you mean banana well but if it is if it if the banana is big enough so then yes but if you want to look at the screen no well yeah and i think this is not good the screen has to be square or it can be like a a shape quite with curves well it can be whatever you want but if it is square then we get 4 screens out of one by cutting just it could but if you want some shape then we can only get like 2 screens out of 7 to 7 inches so yeah it is like more more expensive to have shape like that but i do not care you know if we fit this requirement well i would like a shaped screen i think that is more important than saving a bit of money on on the t f t screen okay okay okay yeah m maybe the banana could be like a bit fatter than than the c c common one yeah yeah it should remember banana but it is not does not have to b to be really the size and exactly the shape of a banana but like modified banana okay well it we will stick to banana or so we are agree with the banana thing okay yeah banana is good okay okay okay so the last point we decided it is infra red i guess yeah i think infra red yeah yeah everybody is agreed sure so that is it i think about the concepts you have other thing to add to this point or no so about the user interface so we are going to use l c d in the last meeting we talked about hidden buttons i do not know what we are going to do with that you talked about the buttons on the side like like peeling of the banana you s yeah peeling of the banana it would be cool yeah what peeling of the banana you know should should discover the other buttons which are hidden yeah yeah okay and you mean the 1st layer would be spongy yeah 1st layer obviously spo yeah w it is it is like silly but the people will really appreciate it yeah i think so is it is it possible to do that it would be a great idea but is it possible technically like doing a spongy layer of the banana and you open it i think if we if we have a spongy layer on the outside of the banana then it is easy to make that yeah you know to manipulate that to hav be a cover that you can pull off and yeah yeah some yeah something like a plastic cover covering some interface u s b interface as in the in digital camera if you see it is like peeling you open a plastic cover and you see some u s b interfaces some some interfaces for adaptor so keys can be buttons can be covered like this with a plastic cover and when and when you open this cover it is like peeling a banana so something like this yeah but do you see that as a rigid thing or like like a banana something very soft you can open like banana or well is it possible to make it soft yeah yeah yeah it is a lic like a plastic cover so yeah so i think if it is so then it is cool so i dunno what you think bob but it would be great for users i think and very good for marketing i think for sure definitely the softer the better yeah cool yeah honestly speaking i cannot imagine it so far but it will be terrible yeah and setting buttons hidden in other remarks or something or something we did not talk about yes yet or i think we are almost there maybe how can we if we have a soft thing like this and to open it we have to attach it somewhere i dunno how to do that technically or and how pof we could use velcro yeah maybe or ma maybe a magnetic yes yeah it is a good idea thing magnetic ma magnetic 0 yeah or a yeah it can is it can be a plastic cover sticking to the to the all the stuff like with magnetic p magnetic magnetic materials in the border so it is it sticks like refrigerator door completely okay and when you try to open it it will be opened easily so you you can be sure that it will not be open while you are while while you are commonly using buttons on the banana okay and what would be the matter here of the 1st layer i mean likes soft plastic or yeah i imagine some sort of vinyl thing yeah yeah yeah in a in a sort of a with a suede sort of feel maybe well since since the since the things like the like the screen and how to say that solar cell has to be has to be like kept kept in the shape we cannot b so we need that the that the peeling i dunno but we should we should take care of these 22 things so if if the solar cell will not be visible while the banana is closed then the material must be able to put the light inside you know so that we can reach the energy out of it out of that so you are saying is it possible to have a solar cell and this removable cover and it is possible but well if it and a and a banana i dunno i dunno how to how to do it if if t if to if it is better to put the solar cell to the t to the peeling or outside it yeah or or inside but then it must be some window there you know okay and something we forgot maybe about the speech recognition system are we going to use it or not yes i think i think it is important i think so it i yeah it seems feasible and it would be something very great i think one of our p priorities is tech technology and so we have the de design the a good shape new and so on and we have also the technology thing w will be and even the easy to use thing so it will be perfect so we add also the speech recognition device yeah yeah i agree so that great we have decided everything and think we are on a good way so the next meeting will start in 30 minutes so the the industrial manager will will work on the look and feel design the user interface mana manager will work on the user interface device and the the marketing expert will do the 1st project evaluation okay so i hope you can do that in 30 minutes and yeah i i think you should work together s you hamed and peter to work in a in a 1st prototype and more about the shape and so on and how you can manage to put everything together and as usual you will receive some specific instructions on so thank you all everybody and see you in 30 minutes okay okay thank you okay thank you" ]

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[ "i am going to hello this meeting where it should be focused on conceptual design of the remote control the goal of this meeting is to reach a decision at the end on the concept i think the last time we talked about a lot and we had a rough idea of what is going to be but at the end of this meeting we have to reach a decision so we will have again 3 presentations from all of you and i hope it will be fast because i would like to have time for a long discussion decisions so who wants to start okay no you can start okay can start can you open my presentation please yeah i am number 4 trend this one yeah can you pass the mouse please 0 okay that is fine okay so basically i just want to present to you some recent results we have had from looking at some remote control market research and some fashion trends around the world fashion trends we got from talking to our contacts in the fashion industry basically in paris and milan so from our market research basically we have come to the conclusion that a fancy look and feel as opposed to a functional look and feel is our number one priority fancy is the highest priority secondly that our remote control needs to be technologically innovative so this is number 2 priority number 2 priority but it is 2 times less important as the fancy criteria and 3rd thirdly the easiness of use is is the is important as well but again 2 times less important as the technologically innovativeness of the remote control from our fashion people in paris and milan we have discovered that this year the fruit and vegetable motif will be the most important theme in clothes shoes and furniture so i am pretty confident that our remote control fits into the furniture category and also the feel of material this year is expected to be spongy okay so hopefully our remote control reflects that in some way what does it mean spongy what does it mean spongy sort of squishy like soft or something yeah soft like a sponge okay so in conclusion we need our remote control needs to be something that is really fancy it has lots of technology in it somehow it would be good to have it related to fruit and vegetables with the spongy feel and that is easy to use to use and from our last meeting are you know fabian told us that you know one of the requirements is that we have to reflect the look and feel of out of the real reaction company that is it easy to use is it as much important than technology offensive thing is less important right less important so fanciness 1st and then 2 to you know half as important as that is technology technology and half important as technology is easy to use so ahmed can you yeah please show the presentation number 3 i think the biggest struggle will be the easy to use feature of yes number 3 this one yes i is just could you please check if it is the 1st one or the 2nd no no it is the 1st one the 2nd one so it is not this one yeah so i am going to talk about a little bit about how this remote control should be appear to be more easy to use i think i think the feature easy to use is more important than being fancy but okay we can discuss about it later generally generally this remote control should be should be something my opinion the 1st feature is just to be easy to use so the more frequent buttons should be larger they should be placed in a good position inside the remote control and i can conclude like this that we should not need to learn how to use it it should be we should not need to open a book and start reading and learning how to use this remote control okay so what i found out that as i said i think it is better to put more frequent buttons which are used more in the middle of the remote control and they should be bigger in size the shape of remote control should be in a way which can which should be taken easily in hand it should not be completely like a cube it should be it should have round edge so then it is easier and maybe just like some toys some joystick which is easier to take inside the hand and also because because customers does not like to buy lots of battery it should not consume lots of energy it should not consume lots of energy okay and my personal preference is as i said just putting these buttons in special places and cover some buttons which are not used that much like settings button like mobile phone usually some mobile phone cover the dialing number parts so we can cover these buttons which are not used or number buttons for the for the for the can channels and just put volume change or channel change buttons in the remote control and if the user needed to do some more complex tasks here he can open the cover and then change settings or something like this and also i think if you put some some some some buttons in the size of the remote control it can be used easier not on remote control i do not know if i can explain well but just in size for example a sliding or rolling stuff if we put it inside then we can easily manipulate with thumb so it can be another preference and i do not know but i think usage of speech recognizer can be good i know that it consumes lots of energy but if we do it in some way that it sleeps when there is no sun and when it detects some sun it may consume less energy and i think it is good because it is something new and usually young people like something new so it may not be very useful but because it is new people may buy it i personally think there should be a big difference between something otherwise they prefer to buy something which is coming from a famous company or that is fine okay peter okay some good news from me for me from hamet but bad news from bob obviously because spongy design i do not like it there is an engineer but okay so could you please fabian open it yeah person 2 and which one probably the 1st one i am not sure but check the 1st one most of the things i have to write myself on the board but yeah that is it just it is only this slide yeah this is just one thing i wanted to mention and show you that i just found this that our company developed 7 7 inch tfc screen which is good news for us since we wanted to include the display there so i probably draw it i will draw it down the overall scheme this is the stuff that i can use okay so this will be like the overall scheme or overall requirements from the engineering point of view 1st thing is this will be the overall shape no i am not speaking about the real shape of the device but the shape of the inside of the device device so there will be some circuit for the power so say power circuit here the main energy will be taken from batteries that we can and if we decide to use the speech recognition stuff there we must use additional source of energy which i found the best is to use the solar cells which can supply everything everything i was computing all the all the things related to the speech recognition and it is okay to use just 2 batteries and solar cells so no problem there can be also solar cell the main board with all the circuits will take at least 7 to 7 centimeters so this is my like hard requirement for the guys from the design so at least 7 to 7 it depends where you put your screen because the screen is 7 inch so it depends on you where you put it does not matter it is just one chord from from the main board to the screen which can be elsewhere so this will be tft and on the main board we have the interface to the microphone which is somewhere say here interface to the microphone then the graphical card for the tfc and the 3rd unit is the ir the good news is that we decided to use the infrared unit because our company has also developed a chip for communication by the infrared including all the stuff inside so it will be very cheap for us so infrared here so once again the overall requirement 7 to 7 cm for the board which has to be which can be spongy but has to be this size and the tft which is 7 inches i have to check what i wanted to from my point of view i do not care about the material used for the overall of all the device can you fit any for example the tft or any electronic device in a spongy feeling or is there any problem for that for that for example put electronic card on a spongy thing i can imagine it could be a problem all these things in this box are okay to put in any shame basically but we have to take care of the tft well sponginess maybe it is a good feature since it takes if it is around the tft then it is good because it is just keeps it safe i do not know i do not know maybe it can have 2 shares a hard shell inside and a sponge shell outside maybe put electronic in a box and a spongy thing around where is that well it is maybe related to the ui can i ask a question yeah that is all for me this 7 inch tft screen how big is it in reality well 7 to 7 inches so like that yes that is quite big have we decided that we are going to use this tft screen no i do not think it is 7 by 7 i think it is 7 to be honest i was usually when they say 7 inch i think it is a general one each yeah i do not know i do not know one each honestly speaking i was thinking that it was 7 centimeters initially but it is 7 inches but i think we can cut it you can cut the tift screen yeah no problem no problem because because then the size of the graphic card will be 14th so yeah but no problem to me to cut the screen okay so so for the same price we have 4 screens now okay technical engineers so what is the size of the device well this is like this is almost nothing 7 to 72 at least well some 3 millimeters or something even from my perspective 7 centimeters by 7 centimeters is still yeah but we wanted to be can you hold that you know because if it is too small we can we can lose it at home you know what user wants they want a small remote control or yeah a small control they should be in hand or something but it is something that 7 centimeters square easy to hold i think so if the roller buttons on the side you do not have to catch it like that but just like this and you know follow follow well that is does not task for me but so maybe you can finish your presentation and after we will discuss this okay thanks that is it okay so okay so so i think we have a lot we have to take decisions today so i think we are still some work to finalize our idea and take decisions 1st i think energy is a key problem because it depends what can we have as feature if we use only batteries for example or something like that because can we have lcd and speech recognition with battery and it is also related to the size of the device of the device just the point to the energy things if we use the batteries and the additional solar cell then it is okay for speech recognition and lcd so no problem in energy i think but we have to use the solar cell otherwise not like but using how many batteries for example or what maybe what is the size of the batteries yeah i was thinking just common a cells okay so like 13 to 5 centimeters i do not know exactly but so for you solar cells where is the sun if someone is watching tv inside does not need to be it is hard it just the daylight you know i suppose that the remote control will not be in the in the room like this where there is light only and there are people but at least when there is tv you can get light from the tv i do not think it is enough okay okay it is a it is a compromise you know at least it is a new at least it is a new and maybe technology yeah that is why i wanted to include the speech recognition because you wanted all the new things and if you watch tv outside it is very useful i think before talking about the other thing the important thing is the case what are going to be the size because it is with drives the other what we are going to use as features and so on for example for the lcd if we choose to have a small device we cannot use the device we cannot use this such a screen is okay but the board that is a problem what what would you guess as a shape what would be the shape i think i think the being large or small is not important the only important thing is to be able to take it in inside hand easily so let us say an average size size okay and it should not be very heavy also and i prefer to it should not have a uniform shape so in the middle it should be a little bit thinner maybe maybe so we it is like like some joysticks you can take some some joystick you can take inside hand easier because it is it is designed for your taking into account your finger shape and your palm shape so the general shape should be like this i think 7 centimeter by 7 centimeter is a little bit large so 7 not 7 but let us say 5 by 10 it is i think it is just my opinion which is the same area yeah could you read could you redesign your board 5 to 10055 centimeters by 10 centimeters yeah right yeah i think it is feasible well one how could we do it we could put the board next to well under the lcd and for example make the lcd be totally unrelated to the thing that you hold in your hand like holding something and the lcd to be just on top of it you know somehow but maybe let us stick to the spongy thing like one unit 5 to 10 it would be feasible the easiest thing would be to have a smaller lcd if it is possible okay so 5 to 10 i think it is visible so we agree with a small or 5 by 10 or i do not know but i do not want to now invent something new because we did not discuss about it so using some lcds we can touch so we can remove keys and just having i do not know the name lcd response into fingers touching screen something like you touch screen so but for now if we do not want to use such kind of screens i think we are using a smaller screen is better because the problem is we have a limited amount of time so we cannot do something very new so let us go for a small lcd yeah so just just give me the the 5 by 10 numbers that you find the best and send it me so 5 by something okay so what about so the case we talked about something easy to use you said something easy to use but how does that fit in a fashion way like with fruit and vegetable and about and about the color and logo of the company and so on now can we do that my 1st idea is because our color is more yellow and it should be easy to take in her hand i thought about banana or something like that which is fruit and 7 to 10 banana a big banana 4 gay rather mango or something well it is definitely the obvious choice with the color of our company i mean what other but other fruit i do not know what you do you know of any other fruit and vegetables that are yellow yeah i do not know if you can fit with the technology you as a specialist that is mean banana well but if it is if it if the banana is big enough then yes so if you want to look at the screen and banana you know i think this the screen has to be square or it can be like a shape quite well it can be whatever you want but if it is square then we get 4 screens out of one by cutting just but if you want some shape then we can only get like 2 screens out of 7 to 7 inches so it is like more more expensive to have shaped like that but i do not care you know if we feel this requirement i would like a shaped screen i think that is more important than saving a bit of money on on the tft screen maybe the banana could be like a bit fatter than than the yeah yeah you should remember banana but it does not have to like modify banana okay where is the size and exactly the shape of banana so well we stick to banana yeah banana is good okay great so the last point we decided it is infrared i guess yeah as it is already yeah yeah yeah so that is it i think about the concept you have other thing to add to this point no so about the user interface so we are going to use lcd in the last meeting we talked about hidden buttons i do not know what we are going to do with that you talked about the buttons on the side yeah it would be cool yeah cool yeah what feeling of the banana you know should discover the other button yeah okay and you mean the 1st layer would be spongy yeah obviously so it is like silly but the people will appreciate it is it is it possible to do that it would be a great idea but is it possible technical like doing a spongy layer i think if we have a spongy layer on the outside of the banana it is easy to make that you know to manipulate that to be a cover that you can pull off something like plastic cover covering some interface usb interfaces in digital cameras you see it is like pulling you open a plastic cover and you see some usb interfaces some some interfaces for adapter so keys can be buttons can be covered like this with a plastic covered and when you open this cover it is like peeling a banana so something like this yeah but do you see that as a rigid thing or like like a banana something very soft you can open like a banana or is it possible to make it soft yeah yeah it is a like like a plastic cover so i think so i do not know what you think bob but it would be great for users i think and i think for sure definitely the softer the better yeah cool honestly speaking i cannot imagine it so far but it will be terrible hidden in a other remarks or something we did not or something we did not talk about yes yet or i think we are almost there maybe how can we if we have a soft thing like this and to open it we have to attach it somewhere i do not know how to do that technically or you could use velcro yeah maybe or maybe magnetic yes yeah it is a good idea yeah magnetic magnetic if i yeah it can it is it can be a plastic cover sticking to the to the all the stuff like with magnetic magnetic material in the border so it sticks like it sticks like refrigerator door completely okay and when you try to open it it will be opened easily so you can be sure that it will not be open while you are while you are commonly using buttons on the banana and what would be the material of the 1st layer i mean like soft plastic or yeah i imagine some sort of vinyl yeah you know you know sort of a with a swayed sort of feel maybe well since since the things like the like the screen and the solar cell has to be has to be like kept kept it in shape we cannot so we need that the peeling i do not know but we should take care of these 2 things so if the solar cell will not be visible while the banana is closed then the material must be able to put the light inside you know so that we can reach the energy out of that so you are saying is it possible to have a solar cell and this removable cover it is possible but and a banana i do not know i do not know how to do it if it is better to put the solar cell to the peeling or how to say this or inside but then it must be some window some window there you know and something we forgot maybe about the speech recognition system now we are going to use it or yes i think it is important i think yeah one of our feasible and it is already is something technology so we have the design the good shape new and so on and we have also the technology thing will be and even the easy to use things so it will be so we had also the speech recognition so we had a speech recognition so that is great we have decided everything and i think we are in a good way so the next meeting we start in 30 minutes so the industrial manager will work on the look and feel design the user interface manager will work on the user interface device and the marketing expert will do the 1st product evaluation okay so i hope you can do that in 30 minutes and yeah i think you should work together as you ahmed and peter to work in a 1st prototype and more about the shape and so on and how you can manage to put everything together as usual you will receive some specific instructions and so on thank you everybody and see you in 30 minutes okay thank you thank you thank you i am going to thank you" ]

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[ "okay okay no i do not should i start maybe by presenting the project little bit okay okay so historically it was last year professor delambeaux in his c s c w classes asked the student to design a table okay and all the students and guillaume wa was a student of this class was very excited to design such a table okay so he decided to to make more research on this topic so the general topic is about interactive table disappearing computer what is the other one okay na in the general fi field of collaborative computer supported collaborative learning okay so the idea is we have different people collaborating in a pedagogical purpose and we know that when we put a computer in front of them it does not help focusing on collaboration yeah so if we make the computing functionalities disappearing on on the in the furniture in the wall or other things like that we may more efficiently support collaboration than the the learning so i arrived in june something like that a couple of month ago okay guillaume and michael are 2 students that are working 44 months to their master project yeah okay and they start working on 2 different sub projects so guillaume is working on the noise sensitive table it is what we are discussing about today okay so the idea is okay w we have in the lab a notion about root mirroring the idea is if we can provide a feedback to people working together it may help them self regulating their activity their collaboration okay so could be normative or not in our own case we want to have a table that would be accessible by by students at 0 p f l we are ok okay at 0 p f l the learning center will be built in a couple of years so the idea we we will have plenty of rooms like in libraries or meeting rooms where student will arrive and work so if we have this table that is accesi accessible to students if they arrive if we provide a feedback of who is talking instantly the at one moment or through time or the turn taking maybe they will just by seeing an explicit feedback of that they will take profit of it and so do you know which way you give the feedback light or i saw something like that yes okay for for the noise sensitive table project we decided to to take the noise as input okay and give a feedback with leds on the table so this is one of the the possibilities that were offered to us but we decided to do to do it this way the idea is to have peripher peripherical information we do not want people to focus on what is going on what on the feedback so we do not want histogram or very precise information but we will have leds that will be distant there will be 6 centimeters between each led with a blurring glass okay the idea is to have more a kind of art artistic feedback to have a kind of general feeling of what is going on something about okay dance well i guess it is just a restriction we took so so we do not the m amount of money we have to spend otherwise we could have we could imagine to have a whole table of of s well of l e d s yeah and then y you can really start to to some regions of the table so yeah maybe more complex yeah yeah so th yes the the 1st the 1st idea of the project was to have the whole table covered by leds but yeah but for the prototype of this is not this is not the the way we implement it now for practical reasons to the border basically some distance but in fact we have a there was th yes or we kept one paper sheet th there was the the restriction that if we cover the le the table with leds some will not be visible because you have yes okay 0 okay obviously yeah so if there is information displayed under the the sheets the it will not be very useful okay so we decided to have it yes 30 centimeter at each side okay so the 1st shape of the table the shape of the table obviously is one of the factor on that will change the collaboration so but we do not want to start with too many parameters so we start with a table that is approximatively the tab of the table where we are now yeah and we will have a square shape like this that will be here and a 2nd one that would be there yeah so we will have something like this okay like this that will be the our 1st real prototype right okay and the so this l e d modules are being designed now we should have them in a couple of weeks weeks and we will be able to start evaluating the prototypes about the c s c w class that will start at the end at the beginning of november so the student will be asked to design a table so to find the shape of the table to get who the and put that on the on table legs okay and we will so at the beginning we wanted to put this l e d modules in the tables but we will not make it because for solidity reason of the table you know it is not very strong wood so we will rather beam the l e d on the table so we come back to a more richer display b but we will restrict it to a small to have the same display 0 let us led lights that will be distant 6 centimeters between leds okay this is for prac practical reason and also a matter of time so we will simulate our but do not yeah because do not you think with a beam also you have less problems with the sheets does yes but th there are 0 other problems like yes the the information display on the sheets or you do not want to do that yeah so we do not know if it is okay and we have yeah confusing yeah yes and we have the feeling that to have the information embedded in the table make it part of the table true it i do not know we will we we will try we do not really know what will happen with this prototype okay no it is a choice yeah we are very excited about that okay okay maybe before going on on this subject we can talk talk a little bit on yeah i can just explain my project it is completely different from this one well it is also about tables but the idea is if the several students come to a table with their laptops yeah they should be able to to share information easily okay and in fact w what we we are doing now we project another screen on on the table yep and different people are are are able to use their their mouse of their laptop to go to the to the project screen there and the project screen is just another windows machine that is running okay yeah so you just have another f computer more or less you can use but you can use it with your your own mouse and keyboard but physically it is just something flat on the table again yeah exactly huh but in contrary to to having al another keyboard and mouse that only one person can use okay now the different persons can use the the screen at the same time with the with the mouse okay so based on the fact that most of the p f l student have their own laptop the idea is the similar idea is to okay yeah people are coming on a should be able to very easily use some resources offered to them okay so so the idea is to help them socializing organizing their own work and not in a classroom setting but in a social place where they could gather okay yeah so it is different but still yeah it is same i will s still the same subjects it is it is collaborative work okay but different directions it has nothing to do with audio processing and l e d okay yeah so okay okay so maybe we can focus a little bit more on the what we have done about the noise sensitive table yeah tell you about what we are interested in on the so we start so guillaume started by developing the application that get the audio input so we want it to have a modular architecture to be able to improve each layer separately okay so the audio input is quite basic no we u we use sound cards to to get the signals and to detect to on to ha and we have a threshold to detect when someone is talking at least when the noise is at is bigger that specific levels okay and then we get this information about people talking not talking and to say okay this one is talking for x time or has been talking x percent of the 5 last minutes or 2 people are talking together so this is more semantic layer we call that interaction models and so when different conditions are trigger are detected we trigger on the interaction event so very simple one could be one person is talking yeah yeah so it is the easy one and there is a lot of programs now about this implementation is it is not it is not obvious it is still in progress still in progress still in progress anyway i think the the details of the implementation is not that important almost done it is more important that 1st we want to to have some events like 2 people are talking or 11 started and another started and well right more or less broke into the speech of the 1st person and so on okay and then you can start to visualize these different situations so the last layer is about this visualization right w we will we are thinking about the visual grammar meaning that when we have an interaction event that is fired we will associate a way of visuali visualizing it so for instance if someone is talking we can just have a light that will center on the point that is close to him that could be an instant feedback and if he has been talking maybe 70% of the last 5 minutes as me or too long it it may be reflected as the intensity or size of a s a cycle 0 just kidding okay center on the same point yeah and then if there is turn taking we can show waves of light going from me to you or from other people or using the center part of the table to show some something more about the more general dynamic yeah right well that is i guess it is 1st prototype i you see we start with people 2 people talk or and do not and do not they afterwards one could imagine that you for example you can detect that someone is a bit angry or is yelling yeah and wi with different colors with with different colors on on table you could display this this give some feedback or laughing ah so you ha you you might have multiple colors but or yeah yes yep yes that is sorry did not get that in we can change inte so we have 8 by 82 times leds each led is actually 3 leds th m g b led yeah and we can change the intensity yeah alright so it is already quite a rich feedback okay once we get the hardware yeah yes and just a last thing so this table is 2 different things it is one object that will g provide a feedback to the terminal users people collaborating around the table right but it also a tool for us as a researcher to test both the interaction event we want to detect and to test the visualization so we will be able to edit some interaction rules and the visualization grammar okay and we will be able to process to post process some conversation just to see what happens and to have these models on feedback working when people are using the table okay so i think it was no it is quite clear so i guess you want to know what you could do with an array maybe yes yes yes everything from multi switch administration of audio and how you can analyze it what information you can get out of speech and so on yes so yeah i have one or or 2 question i do not know if you want to to begin with the the explanation about the the release maybe we could summarize the question we were thinking about or yeah yeah yeah it is good idea 0 okay just give some questions so i have actually 2 questions that are just practical question abo about my my implementation now i so basically what we want we want to know when a is talking b is talking and no right basic information we need so and the 1st information is about the the noise level n not the noise level the sound level because what you get from from the microphones is a curve and a way the way it is implemented now to detect yes you have a i have packets for let us say this is this is not fixed but i have packets for about alpha 2nd so it is 2nd okay and on these packets i want to know the the sound level the average sound level so the way i do it now is to to take each top of the curves bottoms and just making leverage this yeah but i do not know if it is it is not really the best way to do it but i do not know if you mean the top of the wave form yes okay probably it is it is f be a good idea if you have s 2 with with source like books or web page center give a lot of information how it is audio programming and so on works cetera yeah maybe you you know some at least a good book that is dealing with this stuff 0 maybe we can go through the different questions and then you can organize your own okay so this is this the the 1st question okay i would just add something we are not interested so much in sound level but in the level of the sound that corresponds to voice yes but i think this is 2 different problems the filtering must be must be done before okay it was just a and after that if you have a cleaned curve and you can just apply functionally okay go on and the 2nd question was about filtering and f f t yeah what you can get from it okay and i would add one more general questions it is about because what we can record is sound origins so in po so no sonic points okay yeah but what we are interested in is people yeah so the question is if someone is moving i am talking here i stop talking i am going here i am talking how to detect that it is the same people if we want to integrate information to say these people has spoken 70% of the time in the 5 last minutes okay obviously we need to to know that it is the same people so right now our practical solution is to have one microphone close to every place where people are supposed to sit so we can infer that if a sound is coming in this area it is the same so kind of trick but for the beginning it is enough 0 yes i will just add something is there a way to to from one from one stream to to build 2 streams that correspond to the the voice of one people and the voice of the 2nd yeah yeah yeah okay the separation yes and is possible to do this in real time yeah that is and a last question that is related t our last if i not find another one about people if someone is leaving or if someone maybe it would be something ev quite complex even for you if someone is staying here but is quiet or leaving how can we detect that someone is here but quiet okay well you need a camera i know obviously but how to integrate the information i mean will you have a camera no no and it it this is not not not yet maybe later on but maybe you can detect breathing 0 the wait and the sit yeah yeah that you could do or on the table there should be well yeah but what happens if 0 someone is standing then or putting his bag on the okay but it was just to it is a question okay i am not sure we will talk too much about that today a sound question sound related question okay not directly but it is related well so in a couple of days we will get this the fire wire box okay so we will we have chosen one that has 8 line up so we will be able to have line in sorry line in so we will be able to plug up to 8 microphones with jack plugs to exhale air with the possibility of extending with 8 more x l r microphone with another box okay so you i think guillaume said that is optic something like that or yes yeah the the communication between the the extension and is of the okay so you you need a different you need a microphone with a device inside right no no no in fact that is it is another thing this optic ho how does it work no no no okay well m we have so we ha we have the computer we have the the main box with the 8 line ins and the fire wire port okay and it is fire wire and there is an extension for this this this device connected to it with optic fiber yeah it is optic to have 8 more x l r if we need it ye okay but we are not sure to to buy it now but we can extend it actually it is not really an extension to the 1st box just an indu industry standard protocol between these 2 that is it is another fire wire or not fire wire but well well there is a special protocol to to deliver audio signals and its path through 0 okay but concretely you would use that to get higher quality signals yes y that is all well actually just to have the the icsla e possibly to to branch icsla yes yes well yeah we are not sure about what kind of microphone we should use ah okay okay so we wanted to that is a 1st thing so we wanted to have open possibilities and secondly maybe we will use this box you know to get data yeah i do not know if in another experiment maybe in another project if we want to have comments of different people around the table or 0 elsewhere yeah getting having the possibility of using x l r microphone could be could be neat so everything is open be because for now i am just sampling the sound that 8000 so just something very very rel i could even go to lower okay but this is just to get the the s the noise the sound level and how but if i want to record the conversation with a processing after th you mean you meant 8 kilo sampling frequency yes to to have a better sound quality perhaps it is better to have a x array yeah yeah something like that we use 16 so that is 8 kilo band width 16 kilo sampling frequency yes it it is not bad it is quite decent okay f before answering the questions th there is also a point of precision of localization if you use an array so if you use higher frequencies you can get more precise localization sure sure but maybe you do not need it but what is the the gain in terms of position that i can not answer directly centimeters or more it depends on your set up you know you have to test basically okay m what you get is the real position or just the angle at which the the sound comes y you get the angle the most precise one is the asymmet in the horizontal plane then you also get elevation but it is not very precise it is more of an indication and radius is very bad okay if you use a planar geometry like this one yes sure yeah you can use multiple ones and do some triangulation yes because there there is just 4 microphones that are 8 88 these are only screws okay yes microphones are on bottom okay but there are in in a plan yeah yeah okay because at at t p f n there is a lab that is has done almost the same thing but they have 8 microphone that are at yes the 8 the 8 cor corner of a cube yes a cube okay yeah then you might get better direction in elevation but i am not sure it is really relevant no we are not very interested in no the elevation no no so but what is could be relevant it is not almost it is not always the case with the the if people move forward yeah yes the the position the the radius of the ah the radius yes it could be th then the r the problem is not the geometry it is the i you need more than one basically yes okay with one you will only get direction more than one microphone array yes so because because i the the distance between the the microphone is too is too low to huh okay well so you say this one already works to to tell the the direction direction yeah would it also work if you placed the microphones at at the border of the table you see now you you have it quite central yeah and what happens if if you put them here on around the table would it work as well or it is a different option yeah we have not tried that because we are not going to have the special kind of table you just did not try or more this is not a good example but we have like a box just bring the box and put it yeah so it we could not consider that yeah it is clear this but in your case it could be interesting yeah unless people put something on the microphone yes sure but they will not have nice light lighting on in front of them they would maybe careful yeah yes but i think the the most relevant part is the the other the hardware that synchronize the microphones and that no right but that i am i think after the meeting we can go and talk to olivier about that but okay yes i am not the person for hardware no so maybe w you could present a different work you have done yeah and i do not know how they are yeah i will t i will try to present i guess it corresponds to your questions so you told us it was different pieces more than one integrated device yeah so the the lowest layer would be the 1st 2 questions you asked about how to detect activity currently you are thresholding the t maximum of your wave form right yes not maximum the the average on the on the packets ah ah 0 okay and you are looking for a peak yes the the i take the the b i g when i go up to the the curve i am on the at the local maximum yeah yeah yeah i take it then the next local minimum and taking this this range doing average on it okay what would be the d difference between detecting the average or detecting the maximum yes difference what what would be the difference what is the difference difference is is that if i just it is a kind of filtering already yeah yes yeah and your 2nd question was about f f t what can be done with f f t yes so the approach we are taking here is to answer both questions the same time we use f f t to do detection we do not use the wave form the raw wave form okay so a you have you have 15 implementations we split we split the signal in small frames like 16 millisecond yes 60 okay 16 okay 16 each frame is taking 32 millisecond of signal just to give an idea and there is a one frame every 16 millisecond and they overlap of 50% again huh okay so it is 32 millisecond frames taken each yeah each 16 millisecond well th these are details it is just to give an idea an idea so something like that so why are you overlapping well it is the the c i have a rough idea but what is the main interest because usually when you do f f t y if i am getting into details but you you apply a window to avoid effect so the beginning and the end it it i it is not crappy yeah and it is kind of crappy it is just not very much representative represented because you apply a window which has this shape having window precise okay okay so you use the 1st and last point to detect what is between so they are very yeah no i am saying when you take your signal you take one frame you apply the window and the window is simply coefficients you give and you give higher coefficient to the middle than to the extreme sure so if you do not do overlap y you will lose information at the beginning and the end you lose information okay okay okay okay but you do not have to do overlap i mean it is yes and then i just because we are using an open s an open source framework to do this there is something i do not know if you know i know it calls sphinx that is doing s sorry c m u no is it from c m u yes yeah doing voice recognition yeah yeah and i just use it for the for the for the microphone and the acquisition right so there is already an f f t module implemented in it yeah yeah i did not test it yeah but f f t is only a tool what we do release a phase domain analysis yeah yes sure we only use the phase between the microphones y yes for the for the the position yeah but also for detection also for detection yeah we have a way so i do not think i should get into details but basically the beginning is your signal which you slice into frame you do f f t on each mic and the end is a number of frequency beams which are used by each person to explain roughly so you are s so when you speak speech is wide band so the more active you are the more band width you use so you will get a large value of band width for people who speak and for the others it will random it will be a small value corresponding to breath or a little noise or just background noise kay and so kay yes sure okay but you are talking about the microphone array here yeah cause one problem if you use energy based methods which is probably more the thing you have been using so far yes is that it is not quite related to location no so you can have for one person you can have a high energy signal which is difficult to locate and visa versa strong background noise i think in your case you are quite interested in the location so i would advise to use more phase domain methods so phase well that is something with f f t s once you have the 50 for each frequency you have the magnitude and the phase huh huh and the phase yes so you can compare the phase of the microphones okay and this is directly linked to the direction of the person so the magnitude you do not really use or and for this sometimes we use it but not it is not the 1st thing we use i know it is a bit counterintuitive but maybe i will go t to the board well i did a speech processing course and i am not sure if they a they also learns that that okay yeah okay we more used the face than the magnitude so i guess the r right for a single channel it is not very meaningful but here it is relative phase between the microphones so i will just try to s summarize huh y you have to detect an event on one microphone and know when it is happened on on the other one no that is what i do not do no okay this would be valid for like speech recognition with a single channel that would be a very good idea but if you choose to use multiple channels let us say you have 4 of them with f f t you can just as i said l look at the phase between the microphones at a given frequency so the phase the time between audio signals for for this microphone on this microph it is linked to this value yeah okay basically the time you are mentioning is this value and this is the frequency and this is an angle in radians okay so f f t gives you a measure of these values this i can point to a paper i do not think this is the right place to explain everything but will give you if you look at your table what we have developed here is an approach where th you divide the space in sectors for example 10 sectors around the table and in each sector you will get the value it is related to the number of microphones around no no it is application dependent for example well this is not and on this one you could have a large value on on on those ones small values these are number frequencies which we estimate with several steps from these measures so to conclude what we are doing is we estimate how much of the frequency spectrum you are occupying when you speak or i am occupying in this direction when i speak okay and it turns out that this is quite good to do detection and localization at the same time bec because you know in a sector space there is this much activity okay this is a measure of the activity 0 okay yeah yeah more recently i have worked on prolongating this with a more precise direction evaluation to know where in the sector the person is so that that is not much work once you have done this this is can be this can be done quite quickly and what happen if 2 person are talking at the same time this it just get 2 sectors that are higher than others no then you yeah y well i i use a value but then you will get 2 large values yeah so and do you get something about the distance of the guy that is talking or just a direction sounds no just direction yeah okay th there there is a distance but it is not very very effective well f yeah i it is not i it is an inherent problem to the geometry you use as as you mentioned it is you can for example if you use another array you can intersect lines of direction okay and from from this kind of if information you can let us say have a finger print of the user to know if this is the same user speaking so maybe well not sure because the the i w i would not trust it too much classically what you do is you extract the signal of the person okay one interesting thing is that these numbers are not arbitrary things they represent the number frequencies where a given person is dominant but when you have 2 of them which might be interesting for separation you know already when you have done this processing w which part of the frequencies of the spectrum belongs to this person and to that person which and then it is easy to separate the signals you mean that each person will have a specific frequency because i the way he is talking or his localization yeah range no it is more than both it is a kind of speaking styles both no it is it is it is more an instantaneous this is still instantaneous this is for one time frame yes okay if you look at all your frequencies for example 0 to 4 kilohertz you can split it and say all these parts belong to person one here and all the other parts belong to the other person so this is this is a bit arbitrary because perhaps person 2 will have some frequencies in the range of that is correct but then you can look statistically it wi it will be negligible because the r of of the difference level okay and if you reconstruct the stream from this this range you will get something that is yeah it is you can listen to it yeah okay and then you can do some maybe higher level analysis where you get the pitch of the person or i do not really get your last diagram yes this so it is at one given moment still yeah yeah okay so you can say that f this frequency belongs more to this person and this one more to this one and this is exactly but some frequency may maybe are not used neither by guy the guy one or the guy 2 yeah then it is random and that is why you get these values which are random okay maybe they are using the same frequency yeah so you need to s yeah but this is very rare okay and when it happens one is always masking the other in practice okay okay so and can you detect if someone is laughing or angry d there is kind of signature even if we can not really trust it s 100% of the time yeah no no but i have i have seen quite a few papers i i have n not done it myself i am really on the lowest level but once you have done this as i said you can separate the signals and and do processing on it do do processing okay so you can get pitch rate of speech that is quite easy pitch pitch the timbre en francais it is pitch i will show you this afterwards li okay so for different person this might be quite different at least for male females and rate of speech like if somebody is talking very in a very energetic manner it might be quite fast or just energy also and you can you can this way you can filter perhaps some range that are just very low frequencies for perhaps a noise or one yeah also that might be an issue with people are bringing laptops the yes the fan they will b yeah they might be detected as another another source so you would have to classify the sources as human or machine okay but again yeah i think once you see the spectrum if it is just pure and stable now if you do not really detect the pitch ch can say that no persons also yeah if if there is no pitch so yes but but then this this is very interesting because this way you can detect if someone is talking yeah if someone has an some noise with perhaps putting his his cap on the on the table yeah perhaps if there is a laptop and in one position so all will go and be detected there and you can classif classify and this is yeah yes so w what you are mentioning is a pain for us she very good but for you it might be cause we are only interesting in getting the speech but for you it might be quite quite good yeah okay yes so i have to avoid filtering and smoothing cause as soon as you do that you exclude some of the information yes so it is better to keep it for the latest stage so on top of this there is another part which is more linked to the tracking all this was for one time frame so and the the length of the time frame has an inference of on which parameters yeah you can play with it in speech it is stationary over 1020 millisecond and we make a stationary assumption a local stationary t assumption which allows you to use f f t and blah blah blah okay now in spite of that i know some people use much longer windows which is not a problem but th there i let us say if you use a 12nd window it is a bit too much i think the in fact the the frame lengths will be very very i it is not really meaningful well if you do this yes like some very small words like yes they might be 200 millisecond somehow okay or 300 millisecond they they will not be visible on the on the wavefo okay yeah they might be blurred with silence yes so yes you you might have to play with it just to save processing time like use slightly longer frames but the the the the long the longest frame you would use would be 100 yeah at m at most yeah at most okay simply because i have used 100 as a minimum length of a speech word okay yes yeah so now assuming you have done this for each time i if this is your detail or i should use a different if this is your asymmet at each time you get a direction what is a excuse me so asymmet is your direction in horizontal plane huh it is an angle okay like north south east west okay so where are you represent the phase and yeah no no of this is really different thanks okay i am just saying that once you have done this for a given time frame you can have a direction of the person at least in terms of sector huh huh okay and it is also possible to give a more precise direction quite quickly so this was kind of the lowest layer now this is a layer just above it which might interest you if you repeat that over time you will see patterns for example at 2 different locations kay so you can yeah 2 different person will speak okay so you can cluster those enter when user is and you will see that if it is long enough it is some significant event this can be done quite cheaply yeah yes and before i forg forget it i have one question yeah you say you do the processing after afterwards yeah and what is the the cost yes the the length a cost yeah th 11 or bit longer well i use matlab so it is not perfect okay it is like 34 yes but matlab is very very effective for matrices and yeah but not everything is simple linear okay especially this part it is definitely not linear because you are looking at a maximum energy in a frequency kind of yes the most expensive part is here with matlab i have 34 times real time okay you can do sub optimal processing and for example here i am considering all possible pairs of microphones which is 28 and the processing is directly r proportional to that yes relative yes so you can save on that but then you lose a little bit on precision also i i am using all the small frames with 50% overlap yes i do not think you really need absolutely to do that and even if you use 4 microphones to get not good it is not that good in terms of direction okay yeah i would be careful with that okay like 56 is decent 6 i would say yeah and 8 is is good 8 yeah i get down now to 12 degrees root mean square error so you might not need that there i yes but that is what i mean might not be yeah yes 12 degree is very very small for for our application because we want we really want to detect if th this is the same person that is speaking or not yeah yeah if there is an error of let us say 1015 degrees and but it is capable of seeing it as 2 different person yeah there is not problems with the yeah yeah so it could be sufficient to yeah define enough sectors and okay and the number of sectors is is not dependent of the number of microphones no no so it is arbitrary i use 20 degree sectors cause i had to choose a value okay but it is up to you well otherwise it could also just rely on the frequency band separation and detect that way the different persons and th then you do not really know where around the table these yeah yeah but if there is 22 person the same sector i see well d depends with how you do it but if if you place the the microphones n yeah so that is another way yeah it it is almost like having a lapel yeah that way you can separate where where is the the voice loud with or the loudest yeah i think it is not necessarily a bad idea actually well it is quite different thing and you do not really get a name for it but well if you are able to calibrate your microphones the ones who are closer to the person will get more energy so you can compare that it is possible at the end it it depends a bit what you want so if you are yeah i have experience with that on the side i have done some single channel work which can maybe help cause it seems to me that you are not definite on the geometry right no geometry is not we have not thought a lot about it yeah m this part is quite specific to a microphone array where like they are concentrated in some place like in the middle of the table yes because if we are distributing the microphone all around the table then we come back to the energy solution yeah yeah is it what you say yeah but you can kind of come back to that also with the energy dissolution or with f f t too f f t also f f t okay yeah yeah but th i think what is very important here is the synchronization of the microphones r right yeah yeah right it has to be as good as possible okay i am speaking about it because we wanted to do this table in a mid tech way let us say a cheap way yeah to have not very expensive tables so i do not know if what i have seen w on our website was that the this installation was a bit expensive yeah but i am trying to to to to see what is very important and what is not for true but there are many many things yeah we can also consider directional microphones yes you know no so you can their pattern is not the same depending on the direction where the person is the difference between the so for example if there was a directional microphone pointing there you would get most of my energy but less from you et cetera sure yeah you can also do microphone arrays with directional microphones yes sh i think you have to to might not be relevant but what would be the difference you will not compare each mic with all the other one but just comparing this one with the more or less it is it depends on what you want okay it sh i guess it is completely other approach i mean i do not know okay but what are so yeah so what are this mic for instance the electret mic they are 0 yeah omni directional yeah omni directional electret m i guess so okay these are these are some kinds of and this one it is the same yeah exactly the same yeah yes okay expensive yeah yeah yeah ca can you say a number expensive quite expensive because because of the quality of the the yeah they are high quality mics and they are plug in the on the x l r or i think we can leave this question for olivier yes okay yes okay for the our we will we we will and when you were talking about comparing energy in the case where a microphone would be distributed all around the table you are comparing energy and the time delay yeah no no y you would assume because time delay is is too short to be compared or can be neglected you would neglect it the time delay is is very small it it is only used for getting the a direction when you have a microphone array okay but in that case it is not relevant you would assume that they are roughly synchronized not necessarily very precisely and compare the energy levels but i have no experience with that okay okay yeah now i do not know you do not want to use ah it is almost okay let us have a break yes it is time cool" ]

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[ "i am gonnae okay okay 0 i do not should i start maybe by presenting the project a little bit okay so historically it was last year professor dilanboor in his csw class asked the student to design a table and all the students and guillaume was a student of this class i was very excited to design such a table so he decided to make more research on this topic so the general topic is about interactive table disappearing computer what is the other one so in the general field of collaborative computer supported collaborative learning so the idea is we have different people collaborating in a pedagogical purpose and we know that when we put a computer in front of them it does not help focusing on collaboration so if we make the computing functionalities disappearing in furniture in the wall or other things like that we may more efficiently support the collaboration than the learning so i arrived in june something like that a couple of months ago guillaume and mikhail and 2 students that are working for 4 months to the master project and they start working on 2 different sub projects so guillaume is working on the noise sensitive table it is what we are discussing about today so the idea is okay we have in the lab a notion of about group mirroring the idea is if we can provide a feedback to people working together it may help them self regulating their activity their collaboration so it could be normative or not in our case we want to have a table that would be accessible by students at epfl we are at epfl the learning learning center will be built in a couple of years so the idea we will have plenty of rooms like in libraries or meeting rooms where students will arrive and work so if we have this table that is accessible to students if they arrive if we provide a feedback of who is talking instant at one moment or through time or what is the turn taking maybe they will just by seeing an explicit feedback of that they will take profit of it so do you know which way you give the feedback light or i saw or something like that for the nois sensitive table project we decided to take the noise as input and give a feedback with leds on the table so this is one of the possibilities that were offered to us but we decided to do it this way the idea is to have peripheral information we do not want people to focus on what is going on the feedback so we do not want histogram or very precise information but we will have leads that will be distant there will be 6 centimeters between each lead it is a blurring glass the idea is to have more a kind of art artistic feedback to have a kind of general feeling of what is going on something about more ok yes well i guess it is just a restriction we took so we do not depress the amount of money we have to spend otherwise we could imagine to have a whole table of leds and then you can really start to to allume some wichens on the table maybe more complex yeah yeah the 1st idea of the project was to have the whole table covered by nets but yeah but for the prototype of practical reasons this is not the way we implement it now to the border basically some distance in fact we have kept one paper sheet yes there was the restriction that if we cover the table with leds some will not be visible because you have obviously yeah yes so if there is information displayed under the sheets it will not be very useful so we decided to have it yes 30 centimeters okay so the 1st shape of the table the shape of the table obviously is one of the factor that will change the collaboration but we do not want to start with too many parameters so we start with a table that is approximately the table of the table where we are now and we will have a square shape like this that will be here and the 2nd one that would be there so we will have something like this okay like this that will be our 1st real prototype right okay and so this led modules are being designed now we should have them in a couple of weeks and we will be able to start evaluating prototypes about the cscw class that will start at the beginning of november so the student will be asked to design a table so to find the shape of the table of the table to cut hood and put that on table legs and we will so at the beginning we wanted to put this led modules in the tables but we will not make it because from solidity reason of the table it is not very strong wood so we will rather beam the led on the table so we come back to a more richer display but we will restrict it to small to have the same display led lights that will be distant 6 centimeters between lights so we will simulate our this is for practical reason and also a matter of time because yeah not you think with a beam also you have less problems with the sheets yes but there are other problems like the information display on the sheet so we do not know if it is confusing yeah and we have the feeling that to have the information embedded in the table make it part of the table i do not know we will try we do not really know what will happen with this prototype we are very excited about that maybe before going on the subject we can talk a little bit of yeah i can just explain my project it is completely a different form this one well it is also about tables but the idea is if several students come to a table with their laptops they should be able to share information easily okay and in fact what we are doing now we project another screen on the table yeah and different people are able to use their mouse of their laptop to go to the project screen there okay and the project screen is just another windows machine that is running so you just have another computer more or less you can use but you can use it with your own mouse and keyboard but physically it is just something flat on the table again yeah but in contrary to having another keyboard and mouse only one person can use now the different persons can use the screen at the same time with the mouse okay so based on the fact that most of the upfl students have their own laptop the idea is the similar idea is to okay people are coming and should be able to very easily use some resources offered to them so the idea is to help them socializing organizing their own work and not in a classroom setting but in a social place where they could gather okay yeah so it is different but still yeah still the same subject it is called a work but different directions it has nothing to do with audio process audio processing and leds okay okay so maybe we can focus a little bit more on what we have done about the noise sensitive table yeah tell you about what we are interested in and so we start so guillome started by developing the application that get the audio input so we wanted to have a modular architecture to be able to improve each layer separately so the audio input is quite basic now we use sound counts to get the signals and to detect and we have a threshold to detect when someone is talking at least when the noise is bigger than a specific level then we get this information about people talking not talking to say okay this one is talking for x time or has been talking x percent of the 5 last minutes or 2 people are talking together so this is more semantic layer we call that interaction models and so when different conditions are triggered we trigger and detected we trigger and interaction event so a very simple one could be one person is talking so it is a easy one and there is a lot of problems now about this implementation it is still in progress it is not obvious still in progress anyway i think the details of the implementation is not that important it is more important that 1st you want to have some events like 2 people are talking or one one started and another is the important and others started and more or less broke into the speech of the 1st person and so on and then you can start to visualize these different situations so the last layer is about this visualization we are thinking about visual grammar meaning that when we have an interaction event that is fired we will associate a way of visualizing it so for instance if someone is talking we can just have a light that will center on a point that is close to him that could be an instant feedback and if he has been talking maybe 70% of the last 5 minutes as me it may be reflected as the intensity of size of a cycle okay center on the same point and then if there is turn taking we can show waves of light going from me to you or from other people or using the center part of the table to show something more about the more general dynamic i guess it is the 1st prototype you see we start with people do people talk or do not they afterwards one could imagine that you for example you can detect that someone is a bit angry or is yelling and with different colors with different colors on the table you could display this give some feedback you might have multiple colors yes sorry i did not get that we can change so we have 8 x 8 2 times lengths each led is actually 3 leds lgb lad and we can change the intensity so it is already quite a rich feedback once we get the hardware yes and just the last thing so this table is 2 different things it is one object that will provide feedback to the terminal users people collaborating around the table but it is also a tool for us as a way for us as a researcher to test both the interaction events we want to detect and to test the visualization so we will be able to edit some interaction rules and visualization grammar and we will be able to process some process some conversation just to see what happens and to have these models and feedback working when people are using the demo okay so i think it is quite clear so i guess you want to know what you could do with an array maybe yes yes yes i guess everything from what is the situation of audio and how you can analyze it what information you can get out of speech and so on i have one or 2 questions i do not know if you want to begin with the explanation about the surveys maybe we could summarize the question we were thinking about yeah it is good idea okay just give some questions so i have actually 2 questions that are just practical questions about my about my implementation now so basically what we want we want to know when a is talking b is talking and the basic information we need so the 1st information is about the noise level not the noise level the sound level because what you get from the microphones is a curve and the way the way it is implemented now to detect yes you have i have packets for let us say this is not fixed but i have packets for about half a 2nd so let us say a 2nd and on this packet i want to know the sound level the average sound level so the way i do it now is to take each top of the curves bottoms and just making an average of this but i do not know if it is not really the best way to do it but i do not know if you mean the top of the waveform yes okay probably it would be a good idea if you have to say with resources like books or web pages that give a lot of information how this audio programming and so on works that yeah maybe you know some at least a good book that is dealing with stuff maybe we can go through the different questions and then you can organize your so this is this is the 1st question i would just add something we are not interested so much in sound level but in the level of the sound that corresponds to voice yes but i think this is 2 different problems the filtering must be done before okay and after that if you have a clean curve you can just apply it functioning and the 2nd question was about filtering in fft what you can get from it okay and i would add one more it is about because what we can record is sound origins sonar sonic points but what we are interested in is people so the question is if someone is moving i am talking here i stop talking i am going here i am talking how to detect that it is the same people if we want to integrate information to say these people has spoken 70% of the time in the 5 last minutes obviously we need to know that it is the same people so right now our practical solution is to have one a microphone close to every place where people are supposed to sit so we can infer that if a son is coming in this area it is the same it is a kind of trick for the beginning it is enough yes i will just add something is there a way to to from one stream to to be 2 to be 2 streams that correspond to the voice of friend people and the voice of the 2nd yeah clean of the separation yes and it is possible to do this in real time yeah yeah and the last question that is related to last if i do not find another one about people if someone is living or if someone maybe it would be something quite complex even for you if someone is staying here but is quiet or living how can we detect that someone is here but quiet well you need a camera i know obviously how to integrate the information i mean will you have a camera no not yet maybe later or later maybe you can detect breathing or the weight on the seat yeah that you could do or on the table they should be well yeah but what happens if someone is standing then 0 putting his bag under okay but it was just 2 it is a question i am not sure we will talk too much about that today i will just if it is a sound question sound related question okay not directly but it is related wow so in a couple of days we will get this the fire wire box okay so we have chosen one that has 8 line up so we will be able to line in so we will be able to plug up to 8 microphones with a jack plugs to excel air with the possibility of extending with 8 more xcelair microphone so you i think guillaume said that is optic something like that yes the communication between the extension so you need a different you need a microphone with a device inside right no no in fact that how does it no no no it is not a thing this optic so we have the computer we have the main box with the 8 line in the fire wire port and there is an extension for this device it is connected to it with optic fiber to have 8 more xlr if we need it okay we are not sure to buy it now but we can extend it actually it is not really an extension to the 1st box it is just an industry standard protocol between these 2 it is another fire wire well not firewire but well there is a special protocol to deliver audio signals and but concreetly you would use that to get higher quality signals yes that is all yes just to have the xlar we are not sure about what kind of microphone we should use ah okay so we wanted to that is a 1st thing so we wanted to have open possibilities and secondly maybe we will use this box to get data i do not know if in another experiment maybe in another project if we want to have comments of different people around the table or elsewhere getting having the possibility of using xlr microphone could be neat so everything is open because for now i am just sampling the sound that 8000 so just something very very i could even go to lower but this is just to get the noise the sound level but if i want to record the conversation with a processing you might add kilo sampling frequency yes to have a better sound quality and perhaps it is better to have an xera yeah something like that we use 16 so that is 8 k bandwidth 16 kilo sampling frequency it is not bad yeah it is quite decent okay before answering the questions there there is also a point of precision of localization if you use an array so if you use higher frequencies you can get more precise localization sure but maybe you do not need it what is the gain in terms of position that i can not answer directly centimaltors or more it depends on your setup you know you have to test basically what you get is the real position or just the angle at which the sound comes comes you get the angle the most precise one is the azimuth in the horizontal plane then you also get elevation but it is not very precise it is more of an indication and radius is very bad okay if you use a planar geometry like this one yes sure yeah you can use multiple ones and do some triangulation yes because there is just 4 microphones that are 8 8 these are only screws okay but they are in a plan yeah yeah because at epfl there is a lab that has done almost the same thing but they have 8 microphones that are at yes the 8 the 8 call a corner of a cube okay yeah then you might get a better direction in elevation but i am not sure it is really relevant no we are not the elevation no but it could be relevant it is not always the case but the if people move forward yes the position the radius of the ah the radius yes it could be the problem is not the geometry it is the you need more than one basically yes okay with one you will only get direction more than one microphone array yes because the distance between the microphone is too is too low to well so you say this one already works to tell the direction would it also work if you placed the microphones at the border of the table you see now you have it quite essential and what happens if you put them here around the table would it work as well it is a different option yeah you just did not try or we have not tried that because we are not going towards a special kind of table more this is not a good example but we have like a box you just bring the box and put it yeah so we could not consider that but in your case it could be interesting yeah unless people put something on the microphone yes sure but they will not have nice light lighting on in front of them yes but i think the most driven part is the other hardware that synchronize the microphones and the the microphones and that right but that i am i think after the meeting we can go and talk to olivier about that yes i am not the person for hardware so maybe you could present a different work yeah you have done and i do not know how they are yeah i will try to present i guess it corresponds to your questions so you told us it was different pieces yeah the one integrated device so the the lowest layer would be the 1st 2 you asked about how to detect activity currently you are thriss holding the maximum of your waveform right not maximum the average on the packets okay and you are looking for a peak yes i take the when i go up to the curve i am at a local maximum i take it then the next local minimum and taking this range what would be the difference between the average or detecting the maximum yes what would be the difference what is the difference the difference is that if i just it is a kind of filtering already yes and your 2nd question was about fft what can be done with fft done with fft yes so the approach we are attacking here is to answer both questions at the same time we use fft to do detection we do not use the waveform the raw waveform so your fft implementation is now we split the signal in small frames like 16 milliseconds 16 16 each frame is taking 32 milliseconds of signal just to give an id there is one frame every 16 milliseconds and they overlap of 50% okay so it is 32 milliseconds frames taken each each 16 milliseconds well these are details it is just to give an id an id an id yeah something like that so why are you overlapping well it is i have a rough id but because usually when you do fft you are getting into details but you apply a window to avoid aliasing effect so the beginning and the end the end is kind of crappy it is not crappy it is just not very much represented because you apply okay which has this shape having window so you use the 1st and last point to detect what is between no i am saying when you take your signal you take one frame you apply the window and the window is simply coefficients you give and you give higher coefficient to the middle than to the extreme so if you do not do overlap you lose information you will lose information at the beginning and the end at the end okay okay okay but you do not have to do overlap i mean it is yes just because we are using an open source framework to do this there is something i not know if you know it it calls sphinx that is doing sorry is it from cmu yes yeah doing voice recognition and i just use it for the framework for the microphone and the acquisition right so there is already an fft module implemented in it i did not test it but fft is only a tool yes sure what we do really is phase domain analysis we only use the face between the microphones yes for the position you see yeah but also for detection also for detection yeah we have a way so i do not think i should get into details but basically the beginning is your signal which you slice into frame you do fft on each mic and the end is a number of frequency beans which are used by each person to explain roughly so you are so when you speak speech is wide band so the more active you are the more bandwidth you use so you will get a large value of bandwidth for people who speak and for the others it will be random it will be a small value corresponding to breath or on little noise or just background noise okay okay yes sure okay but you are talking about the microphone array here yeah because one problem if you use energy based methods which is probably more the things you have been using so far is that it is not quite related to location no so you can have a strong background noise for one person you can have a a high energy signal which is difficult to locate and vice versa i think in your case you are quite interested in the location so i would advise to use more phase domain methods so phase that is something with ffts once you have the fft for each frequency you have the magnitude and the phase so you can compare the phase of the microphones and this is directly linked to the direction of the person so the magnitude you do not really use sometimes we use it but it is not the 1st thing we use i know it is a bit counterintuitive but maybe i will go to the book well i did a speech for saying cause and i am not sure if they also we also learned that we more use the face than the magnitude right for a single channel it is not very meaningful but here it is a relative phase between the microphones so i will just try to you have to detect an event on one microphone and know when it happened on the other one no that is what i do not do okay this would be valid for speech recognition like speech recognition with a single channel that would be a very good idea but if you choose to use multiple channels let us say you have 4 of them with fft you can just as i said look at the phase between the microphones at a given frequency so the phase the time between audio signals this microphone it is linked to this value yeah okay basically the time you are mentioning is this value and this is the frequency and this is an angle in radiance okay so fft gives you a measure of these values this i can point to a paper i do not think this is the right place to explain everything but we will give you if you look at your table what we have developed here is an approach where you divide the space in sectors for example 10 sectors around the table and in each sector you will get a value it is related to the number of microphones or all no it is application dependent for example this is not on this one you could have a large value on those ones small values these are number of frequencies which we estimate with several steps from these measures so to conclude what we are doing is we estimate how much of the frequency spectrum you are occupying when you speak or i am occupying in this direction when i speak and it turns out that this is quite good to do detection and localization at the same time because you know in a sector of space there is this much activity activity okay this is a measure of the activity yeah yeah more recently i have worked on prolongating this with a more precise direction evaluation to know where in the sector the person is so that is not much work once you have done this this can be done quite quickly what happens if 2 persons are talking at the same time we just get 2 sectors that are higher than a thing well i use a value but then you will get 2 large values and do you get something about the distance of the guy that is talking or just the direction no just direction there is a distance but it is not very effective well yeah it is not a it is an in herent problem to the geometry you use you can for example if you use another array you can intersect lines of direction okay and from this kind of information you can let us say have a fingerprint of the user to know if this is the same user that is speaking speaking maybe because the i would not trust it too much classically what you do is you extract the signal of the person one interesting thing is that these numbers are not arbitrary things they represent the number of frequencies where a given person is dominant so when you have 2 of them which might be interesting for separation you know already when you have done this processing which part of the frequency of the spectrum belongs to this person and to that person and then it is easy to separate the signals you mean that each person will have a specific frequency because the way it is talking or is localization no it is small that it is a kind of speaking style it is more an instantaneous this is still instantaneous this is for one time frame if you look at all your frequencies for example 0 to 4 khz you can split it and say all this parts belong to person one here and all the other parts belong to the other parts belong to the other belong to the other person this is a bit arbitrary because perhaps person 2 will have some frequencies in the range of that is correct but then you can look statistically it will be negligible okay because of the difference level and if you reconstruct the stream from this range you will get something that is yeah you can listen to it okay and then you can do some maybe higher level analysis where you get the pitch of the person i do not really get your last diagram yes so it is at one given moment still yeah yeah okay so you can say that this frequency belongs more to this person and this one more to this one exactly but some frequency may maybe are not used neither by the guy one or the guy 2 then it is random and that is why you get these values which are random and maybe they are using the same frequency yeah so you need to yeah but this is very rare okay and when it happens one is always masking the other in practice okay so and can you detect if someone is laughing or angry or is there a kind of signature even if we can not really trust it no no but i have seen quite a few papers i have not done it myself i am really on the lowest level but once you have done this as i said you can separate the signals and and do processing okay so you can get pitch right of speech that is quite easy pitch i will show you this after once timbre in french right okay so for different persons it might be quite different at least for male females and the rate of speech like if somebody is talking very in a very energetic manner it might be quite fast or just energy or so you can this way you can filter perhaps filter perhaps some range that are just very low frequencies for a noise yeah also that might be an issue if people are bringing laptops the fan they will yeah they might be detected as another source so you would have to classify the sources as human or machine okay but again yeah i think once you see the spectrum if it is just pure and stable yeah if you do not really detect the pitch you can say that also yeah it is not it is not so yes but this is very interesting because this way you can detect if someone is talking if someone has some noise with perhaps putting his cup and the table yeah perhaps if there is a laptop and one position so all will go and be detected there and you can classify in this season yes yes so what you are mentioning is a pain for us but for you it might be because we are only interesting in getting a speech but for you it might be quite good so i have tried to avoid filtering and smoothing because as soon as you do you do that you exclude some of the information yes so it is better to keep it for the latest stage so on top of this there is another part which is more linked to the tracking all this was for one time frame so and the length of the time frame is an influence on which parameters yeah you can play with it in speech it is stationary over 10 20 milliseconds and we make a stationary assumption a local stationarity assumption which allows you to use fft and blah blah blah okay now in spite of that i know some people use much longer windows which is not a problem but let us say if you use a 12nd window it is a bit too much i think in fact the frame lengths will be very ecially meaningful well if you do this yes like some very small words like yes they might be 200 milliseconds or 300 milliseconds they will not be visible on the yeah they might be blurred with silence yes so yes you might have to play with it just to save processing time like you slightly longer frames but the longest frame you would lose would be 100 yeah at most yeah simply because i have used 100 as a minimum length of speech word okay yes now assuming you have done this for each time if this is your data or i should use a different if this is your azimut at each time you get a direction what is azimuth so azimuth is your direction in horizontal plane it is an angle like north south east west so where you represent the phase yeah no no this is really different i am just saying that once you have done this for a given time frame you can have a direction of the person at least in terms of sector and it is also possible to give a more possible to give a more precise direction quite quickly so this was kind of the lowest layer now this is a layer just above it which might interest you if you repeat that over time you will see patterns for example at 2 different locations okay so you can 2 different persons will speak so you can cluster those into a one user yes and you will see that if it is long enough it is some significant event this can be done quite cheaply yes before i forget it i have one question you say you do the processing after afterwards and what is the cost the cost yes the length or a bit longer well i use matlab so it is not perfect it is like 3 4 but matlab is very effective for matrices and yeah but not everything is simple linear especially this part it is definitely not linear because you are looking at the maximum energy in a frequency kind of the most expensive part is here with matlab i have 34 times real time okay you can do sub optimal processing and for example here i am considering all possible pairs of microphones which is 28 and the processing is directly relative proportional to that so you can save on that but then you lose a little bit on precision also i am using all these small frames with 50% overlap i do not think you really need absolutely to do that and even if you use the 4 microphones it gets it is not that good in terms of good in terms of direction okay i would be careful with that like 5 6 is decent 6 i would say yeah and 8 is good 8 yeah i get down now to one 2 degrees root mean square error so there is yes you might not need that that is what i mean i mean might not be yes one 2 degrees is very very small for our application because we really want to detect if this is the same person that is speaking or not if there is an error of let us say 10 15 degrees but it is capable of saying it is 2 different person there is not problems about it so it could be sufficient to you define enough sectors and okay and the number of sectors is not dependent of the number of microphones no so it is arbitrary i use 20 degree sectors because i had to choose the value but it is up to you otherwise you could also just rely on the frequency band separation detect that way they are different persons and then you do not really know where around the table is but there is 22 persons in the same sector you see well it depends with how you do it but if you place the microphones so that is another way yeah it is almost like having a lapel yeah that way you can separate where where is the voice louder it is not necessarily a bad idea actually it is quite different thing and you do not really get an ankle but well if you are able to calibrate your microphones the ones who are closer to the person will get more energy so you can compare that is possible it depends a bit what you want if you are yeah i have experience with that on the side i have done some single channel work which can maybe help because it seems to me that you are not definite on the geometry right no geometry is not we have not thought about it this part is quite specific to a microphone array where they are concentrated in some place like in the middle of the table yes because if we are distributing the microphone all around the table then we come back to the energy solution is it what you see yeah but you can kind of come back to that also with the energy solution or with fft 2 fft also yeah but i think what is very important here is the synchronization of the microphones right yeah yeah it has to be as well as possible i am speaking about it because we want it to do this table in a mid tech way let us say a cheap way yeah to have not very expensive tables so i do not know if what i have seen on your website was that this installation was a bit expensive yeah but i am trying to there are many many things to see what is very important and what is not you can also consider directional microphones yes you know no the difference between the their pattern is not the same depending on the direction where the person is for example if there was a directional microphone pointing there you would get most of my energy but less from you etc you can also do microphone arrays with directional microphones yes i think you have to might not be relevant but what would be the difference you will not compare each mic with all the other one but just comparing this one with the more it is it depends on what you want i mean yes what are the other approach so yeah so what are this mic for instance there are electric mic but only yeah only directional yeah electric okay i guess yeah these are some kinds of it is the same yeah exactly the same yeah expensive yeah yeah expensive can you say can you say in a normal yeah there are high quality mics and they are plugged on the xlr or i think we can leave this question for olivier yes okay okay for the hardware and when you were talking about comparing energy in the case where microphone would be distributed all around the table you are comparing energy and the time delay no no you would because the time delay is too short to be compared or can be neglected you would neglect it the time delay is very small it is only used for getting a direction when you have a microphone array but in that case it is not relevant you would assume that they are roughly synchronized not necessarily very precisely and compare the energy levels but i have no experience with that okay okay no i do not know you do not want to use ah it is almost let us have a break it is time cool okay no well it is interesting i think i can not even more we can not even when we have got to put it up until the debut we have no more to pose a question now because if we are not on the video it is really i had to reticely my of physics and all that in" ]

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[ "good morning again one question yeah send choose a number submit yep yep yep yep all set yeah good okay let us see what we can find here okay a very warm welcome again to everyone here we are already at our functional design meeting and this is what we are going to do the opening which we are doing now and the special note i am project manager but on the meetings i am also the secretary which means i will make minutes as i did of the previous meeting and i also put these as fast as possible in the project folder so you can see them and review what we have discussed if i am right there are 3 presentations i guess each one of you has prepared one yes good and we will also take a look at new project requirements if you have not heard about them yet and then of course we have to take a decision on the remote control functions and we have some more time 40 minutes but i think we will need it well i do not know who wants to go 1st with his presentation i will go 1st okay yeah i will go 1st yeah well you can go 1st okay well shall i go 1st with the users well everybody already has his presentation so you can adjust it i think well okay no problem is there an order i have not ja precies ja precies ja precies so huh okay and one question your name denni is it with a e i e i e e i e okay thank you okay i wanted to explain the working design of the remote control it is possibly very handy if you want to design one of those well so it basically works as i r wrote down in this little summary when you press a button that is when you do pr for example when you want to turn up the volume a little connection is made the the rubber button just presses on a sorry on a little print plate which makes a connection that gives the chips which is mounted beneath those that plastic of a rubber button senses that a connection has been made and know and knows what button you pressed becau for example the the volume up or volume down button the the chip makes a morse code like signal which then is si signaled to several transistors which makes which sends the signal to a little let you know what a let is yeah okay and that makes the the infra red lights signal which is sent to the television set which has a sensor in it to sense the signal of the infra red that is basically how it works the findings that i found searching up some detailed information about the remote controls are that they are very easy to produce it is pis it is possible to make them in mass production because it is as eas it is as easy as printing a page just fiberglass plate is b is covered with some coatings and and chips and the technology is already available we do not have to find out how remote controls have to work or how that how to make some chips that are possible to to to transmit those signals i made a little animation of about how a tran our remote controller works 0 right animation we tel there is something turning there yeah it is a little bug it is in the in the smart board okay well the sub component i suppose that you understand what a sub component is is f in this example it is the button when it is pressed down the switch is ter is is switched on so with the wire is sent to the to the chip in co operation with the battery of course because to make a a signal possible you have to have some sort of li a d ad electronic infrared light yes okay w after it is being composed by the chip the signal is transported to the infra red bulb and from there it signals a morse code like signal to the to the b to the bulb in in the television set okay s i wrote down some personal preferences about the remote control of course it is very handy if the remote control is hand held so you do not have to wind it up or something or just is it is it is very light to to make to use it i personally pref prefer that it would be p come available in the various colors and easy to use buttons but i suppose that the one of the other team members thought of that too yeah i have got it there too and it is possible for several designs and easy to use b sorry easy to use buttons perhaps soft touch touch screen buttons because the rubber buttons are always they slightly they can be slightly damaged so the numbers on the buttons are not possible to read anymore and well as i said before th we can make several designs yeah okay well that is my contribution to this meeting and to this meeting okay thank you 2 of these this meeting shall i go next yep so kay please so smoking well my name is and i looked at technical functions design of the remote i did this by looking at examples of other remote controls of how they they look and information from the web that i found well what i found was that th the actual use of the remote control is to send messages to television set how you d what you described just early and this can be all sorts of medsa messages turn it on turn it off change the channel adjust volume that kind of thing play video teletext but also t play c d if you use it your c d player the remote control will that one there are some examples of remote controls you can see they are very different the one has got all the functions that you could possibly need and an lot of buttons etcetera and the other is more user friendly little with big buttons and not n all the the the the stuff you can do with it but the the essential stuff is there i guess you could better y you should look at a a user centered approach because the customers have to use them and and if they do not think it is usable they will not buy it a lot of buttons they may think from i do not need s as much as that well perf personal preferences is is a simple remote with the basic functions that you can need that you could use but keep in mind the new functions of t v what we discussed earlier split screen and is that a function that you should have because all the t v s will have them or because of only a few and is not really necessary and then make it i would make so that you can could use it on more than one appliance if you have one that does with the vi the the video it could also work with with the stereo because play is play and stop stop and that sort of thing the shu c you could reuse the buttons so that you do not have to have a lot of buttons for anything and it should be a user friendly clear buttons and not too much and that is my presentation okay thank you okay kay check you must still have it open kijke kay so we are going to j discuss the functional requirements of the remote that m that means that functions user n want to have on the remote control or just yeah and the users actually the methods i i prefer is we are going to look which section of the users we are going to focus a l on more are the younger people going to buy the remote control or the elderly people and then tho that section we are going to focus and adjust the remote more to that section than the whole user section okay some data younger people from 16 to thir 45 years are more interested in fj features like l c d screens speech recognition e etcetera and we possess about 23rd of the market from in that range of age the elderly people from 45 years to 65 years are not that much interested in features and we possess less than 23rd that is 25th of the market share in that area goed so kay findings 50% of the users lose their remote often so we do not have to make it very small like like a mobile phone or something yeah but some somewhat bi bigger than small so you do not lose it that much anymore 75% of the users also find it ugly and fif 75 of the users zap a lot so the buttons sh should be that small or should not be that complex because we have to search for the buttons which one are you going to use next important issues about the remote i think it would be better with a personal reference but okay remote control has to have to have a low power usage because s w 75% of the users only zap one time an hour so the power usage is also 11 time an hour or so with a high power usage we would use a lot of but batteries the volume button and the channel buttons are the 2 most important buttons on the remote control so those they those have to h be find very easily and have to be somewhat like bigger etcetera it has also be have to find easily when the label is gone my colleague also announced it that labels should be scratched off or would be s senden okay so if that is k if that is the problem you also have to find it easily on the remote buttons like what all colleagues said have to have to be minimalized or should be covered or in l c d screen l c d screen is easy because we have the l c d screen we have the various options put one option and then you have the all the buttons of that options so the other options would be gone and you do not see the buttons so l c d screens should be easy but an l c d screen the problem with the l sc l c d screen is that elderly people fr from 45 to for 65 years do not use the l c d screen a lot so we have to that keep that in mind that if you are going to implement l c d screen you do not have to make it that hard to learn or to use l c d screen as in touch screen yeah touch screen yeah okay the last but not least younger people are more critical about the features because they use the remote control often more often and are more technical than the ol older people and the older people spend more money and easily on a remote control kay so we have to keep in mind to to focus not a lot not that much on the younger pep younger people but also somewhat on the elderly people and on my personal preferences i do not have any mo more time to come with that but like i said l c d screen is easily to use because you have you can implement a lot of buttons in one remote with not that much buttons and it should be easy to use especially the volume buttons the channel buttes buttons and the number buttons to zap through the channels and that is it okay okay thank you 0 right well thank you all huh i dunno did everyone receive an email with the new project requirements no no well res i did not no perhaps the rest then i think it is a good thing that i made a separate slide of them so you can ja all read them 0 well not in this presentation should be in there well i can tell you them from my laptop teletext does has become outdated since the popularity of the internet 0 so that is the 1st thing we i think we should pay less attention to teletext the remote control should only be used for the television otherwise the project becomes more complex which endangers the time to market and of course would make it more costly i think our current customers are within the age group of 40 plus and new product should reach a new market with customers that are younger than 40 and you talked about that before and a last point but also very important our corporate image should stay recognizable in our products which means that our corporate color and slogan must be implemented in the new design so we have to keep that in mind well according to our agenda it is then time to take a decision on the remote control functions so who has any idea about what should be on it and what should not well you said it should only work with one appliance be television or with one d che only the t v yeah yeah only be used for television and the video also or not only the television well it says only for television here huh 0 alright makes it a lot easier huh okay yeah so yeah then you can yeah requirements no functions then it should have on off and yeah for yeah the basics then by a volume channel one till 20 numbers on it 0 teletext does not have to be standby options yeah yeah yeah and per perhaps no other functions well yes yes s sh a button where you can change from one number to 2 numbers yeah i had 2 s 22 digits 0 okay yeah yeah can you do not know if that has got a name but yeah i understand what you mean i think it is i think it is easy to implement a button with a s s what which especially do that because some t v s yeah if you press the t one and then the 2 it be between 5 secs it make 12 and that is that is not relaxed it makes it 12 yeah yeah indeed s okay well not really and and there are some models that do not accommodate that function to user yeah so d wh the philip is television makes it possible in that indeed to press one and then 2 to make the tj to reach channel 12 so that it easy and fast yeah but all the television makes use of those button where you 1st press that button and then press 2 digits to to get yeah yeah yeah so you should have that one on yeah think so our main targets age are were 45 plus or mute misschien also well new product should reach a market with customers that are younger than 40 and now we have current customers of 40 plus 40s okay because because younger people as younger people have now 16 till to 25 age are f 81% interested in l c d screen from 26 to 35 have 66% and 36 to 4555% so i think to because on most recog remote controls the print plate will be broken how much 2 years you have to press h very hard to go to the next channel with the l c d screen it is easier because you only have to wipe the screen to for fingerprint and then you can use it again yeah we we could yeah but i think that that collides with our mission to make it very cheap because l c d screens are very expensive yeah okay yeah but a you do not know a touch screen probably even more an so true true true but well is it possible to make an l c d screen how was the information yeah it only says that this perce percentage like l c d screen because yeah and it says that younger age between 16 and 45 highly interesting features more critical so perhaps we should we should focus on that l c d screen and if the only f yeah because our target is 16 to 45 but do you yeah but will we not exceed our our production yeah you do not know how much it costs yeah you do not know how much it costs the l c d screen is it possible to find out anyway no i do not have any costs here i only have percentages you know but if you would do an l c d screen do we have don do not you have any buttons or because if it only directs at the t v then you only have i do not know what you want to do with the l c d screen yeah no an l c d screen is just like like a drawn here just displays several buttons for example if you wanted the minimal use b buttons yeah such as channel and volume you just h displays 4 buttons on the screen and it is possible to p press them down just like a touch screen 0 right so you can 0 yeah alright so you can adjust which buttons you want on that s screen yeah if you want to adjust like for example adjust the audio settings yeah we can make it possible to do that yeah you press audio on the touchscreen and you get the buttons for audio settings so the other buttons are gone yeah yeah yeah alright 0 right yeah yeah yeah so we are going for an l c d screen yeah i think it is the most easier thing yeah would be yeah that is my and hoping that when we produce a lot it will not be too expensive no yeah well we had 1250 i guess for production yeah 1250 yeah i dunno how expensive an l c d screen is any guesses well i suppose wi if the mar if our if the i if the young people are interested in l c d screens we should make em highly and if that is our d market share to and our goal to deliver those remote controls yeah but but he also said that we should not only focus on the younger people but also on the older and will they use it if it only has an l c d screen yeah but s 46 to 4533% and 6056 to 6512% but our our our what is it project requirements are the new products should be reached for new markets to customers that are younger than 40 0 so still a little bit people yeah yeah that is right but you do not want to alienate the other no that not now but so but if they also buy it then it is alright i guess yeah but market share fro for for 40 years and younger is higher than that of 65 and younger yeah yeah alright okay so l c d it is an yes okay it is treasure and what else i hope we h and let us hope to reach those those sales yeah i i if it yeah if it costs gets too much too expensive then yeah we should be sticking to rubber buttons yeah yeah can you s i think that that they will send you some information about the cost of l c d screens n nothing no costs at all yeah so if you yeah so if you you receive an email about that but perhaps later so can you post it in the or should not we post that in our projects mail folder yeah in i think that should yeah i think we all get the costs of everything yeah i do not because you are the the marketing expert yeah okay i will i will post it i well perhaps we should have a backup plan that we would use buttons if it is too expensive yeah sure sure yeah yeah okay but for now it is l c d okay l c d yeah yeah okay then you have the 75% of users find it r ugly the l c d yeah and 80% of the users would spend more money with a when a remote would look fancy 0 that is a bit of a problem 0 that is a bit of a problem tha i l i it will look fancy with l c d screen it is looks fancy one yeah of l c d screen yeah but they do not they do not like it yeah yeah they think it is ugly when it has an l c d screen yeah just a the plain remotes not not specific l c d remotes 0 alright i thought that you said that so yeah and maybe you can make something fancy out of an l c d remote because it is new as far as i know yeah yeah of course yeah and then you have the other thing that 75% zap a lot but that is not a f question with the l c d screen and then not yeah only thing you have to do is wipe the screen off once each time to get all the fingerprints off it yeah yeah okay okay what else does our remote need a mute button mute button i think the most important things on a f on an on an remote control are channel selection volume con selection and yeah and power s power usage yeah and a teletext but that is not of the question but other things are but should not you put a button of for teletext on the for the people who want to use it sorry yeah it could be remembering we have got a big remote that you have to fill yeah yeah and we could make an a a separate menu on the l c d screen for teletext yeah teletext yeah yeah and there is also a and other other less important things are screen settings audio settings and channel settings but yeah they are less important but i think they should be there or not less important yeah should be there but not press yeah sub menu yeah a sh but in a sub sub menu or something like that i think it is also important to make it possible to how do you call it in english to not use batteries and use ac bat batteries to to be yeah yeah sure like with a with a mouse you have not yeah indeed so you can mount the the the yeah in a breath it is the remote control to charted we should think of the 1250 we have but to refill the yeah but we do not we do not have any costs now so yeah i do not know how much that is going to yeah okay because i when you get an l c d screen you run it on batteries the batteries will be empty very soon very fast yeah yeah e e power supply is one of the most important things you should perhaps you should be able to to switch the control off yeah if you have an l c d screen that is burns all the time i dunno yeah yeah yeah you should not on and off because that is ver extra that you have t 1st you have to turn the remote on and then you can i do not know yeah i think it is it is not that easy because i do not think people will like it who who that you have to turn it on 1st and then use it nee that is that is yeah so i think it is better when th the t v shuts down the remote shuts down but then you can not and go to standby mode when you do not use it so that yeah yeah yeah yeah au automac matically that it yeah yeah automatically yeah after 2 minutes or 3 minutes something like that after 2 minutes yeah 23 minutes yeah yeah yeah and maybe a low battery indicator yeah on the screen sure yeah and then b that before an hour when its get again gets empty yeah then you have plenty of time to recharge it of put it in a recharger charger so we are going for the for the recharger yeah yeah if it is okay if it is sensible yeah because when you are watching t v you are zapping and you have to put it in a recharger and i do not think it yeah yeah b when the batteries are low no when you when you are done with s w watching your television you have to put it yeah okay but then we have to be sure that the the the the batteries go hours 6 hours 56 hours then yeah sure of course but you will also forget to put it in because you throw it on the couch and you do not remember yeah then you have a problem yeah but but you also forget to buy batteries and then you can you can not use it so i yeah that is right yeah or we have to be sure that the batteries last couple of days when they are recharged yeah so well i think the batteries should should w should work a lot longer than a couple of days or not yeah because you have b but you have l c d screen cause yeah that is right but high power usage high power user cell i it should be a standard move to to put your remote control in the charger when you are done watching television yes that is also a a a great advantage because you can not lose it anymore because you are obliged to put it in the charger and not to leave it in a couch between some cushions true yeah yeah true yeah right okay yeah you made a point there but then you also have to s have somewhere where you can put a remo recharger near your couch because otherwise you have to walk a long way when you twoft want to turn on the t v yeah also yeah otherwise all your yeah just a small device yeah yeah it has not it does not have to be big plug it in that is it i think everything has it for and i guess yeah like a like telephone charger or something yeah just just a cable or a even a a a a a charger where you can mount it on yeah yeah something like that just u yeah okay alright okay well i have it has to be easy to use also or things yeah you have some more points market share speaker re speech recognition i think functional designs for the elderly you could make it possible to enlarge the screen so make it possible to not display a button at 10 points or also well i think that this should be standard large button large buttons yeah but it is one of the functions you have to specify yeah okay because we can look at perhaps 40 buttons at a screen but the elderly only look at 2 buttons okay and you said something about speech recognition yeah it says also yeah speech recognition hello €12 €12 50 yeah 12501250 12 that is an also 91% 16 to 25 26 to 35 years 76% and 36 to 4535% so it is pretty big well spread it by a big market but then i i i even bigger than for l c d yeah yeah w i know let us do a speech well let us leave out all the remote controls and just put a microphone on top of the television to yeah yeah yeah 90 25 you can clap or something yeah yeah channel turn volume up yeah hey that that is an idea now you should not say the wrong thing i dunno yeah okay well that should it has to be remote control not yeah 12 yeah but they want to talk into the remo remote control or something or yeah sure why not why not is this only would you would you pay more for speech recognition in a remote control it is the only thing it says yeah 0 but do we want to implement that or i think an l c d screen should be suf sufficient yeah but when you look at the percentages yeah it says a lot but perhaps the options should be speech recognition scores even higher huh why not yeah well maybe because of the cost but nobody knows how much it will cost why not yeah let us hope to have some d i know no i think i think it is better to have l l c d screen because in the area of tw 36 to 45 we have about 30% of the market share in in our hands and 55 of those people want l c d screen and 35 want speech recognition so i think it is better to keep it with l c d screen but would it be useful to imple implement both yeah if the costs al allow it on one remote well or yeah i dunno i do not know if that can be done with the cost of 1250 nee with that if it should be done if it could be done i will not matter yeah but how would you like to implement that that you say volume up and then it goes up or we should do it yeah yeah sure yeah yeah certain systems already exist i think then you also have to have different languages if we go international then it is y it is yours to do a french and dutch and english and true true yeah yeah true yeah but that should also be with f should be also with l c d screen this should be accommodated with some software yeah because then i think in chinese is different written volume is different written than swahili or something yeah that is right yeah right swahili yeah you can use icons for the swahili yeah ja well possible a speaker and indeed but if that is better than language for the for the remote yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so we want to yeah it is international okay then it is yeah okay kay what else so no speech recognition or well if it could be done we yeah we have to keep yeah y it should be done if it could be done should be done yeah yeah and then we have different languages yeah that should be anything matters that is not so difficult at all because i already use on several voice operated systems and they are all possible to not all but okay just make a separate remote for each well you sh you should to adjust the thing i think it is difficult every language of dialects yeah i think it is very differen difficult and you have to speak the so that it can understand yeah i think it can not be implemented but maybe you could use that n as an option if you have money left or something yeah is an option yes yeah sure indeed €50 cents yeah let us do speech yeah for speech recognition okay so we only do this when we have enough money left yeah okay well i have written down an an on or off button volume selection channel selection the digits from one to 0 huh or from 0 to 9 a digits button to switch between one and 2 digits mute button a separate menu for teletext a battery indicator we are going to use a docking station and probably l c d and if there is enough money speech recognition and the possibility to enlarge buttons or to have large buttons yes yeah i with teletext if it was not ver very important it was but you also now have colors in general no but i do not know if we should implement that curved yeah when you press the red button you go to page 102 and when you press the yeah i do not know if we should implement that because it says that teletext not really important but yeah the shortcut and you can not go to sport s shortcuts i think we should we could that we could also implement a audio settings screen settings and channel settings but as sub menus yeah d mainly if you turn the remote control on you have to u you have to see from one till 0 channel and volume and if you want to use teletext screen or audio then you can press it sh yeah just just sub menu it should be available but not yeah cause it should be there not directly available not yeah yeah okay okay so not too much teletext support but in a separate menu and yeah so actually it is there but it is just not r ready there yeah but s directly available yeah so does it confuse the user you will have to search for it they would have to be easy to use i will search if you want to use teletext you can push the teletext button and then the options become available yeah yeah that is a the sign of it okay but no more buttons or functions or no no i guess not what else can you do with a television we have got anon are not we forgetting something very important have got got 2 examples here but i do not think there is anything we are missing play pause does not n need to be there well we do not have the video orders yes so this is your presentation we could check the other remote controls with technical functions yeah you could look here all the the which ones were yours th th th th i do not know technical functions techni they are a bit small you can we should stretch them because ping ja ja ja ja ja technical functions yeah okay i guess we have got them all i think i go to have volume mute but i yeah very slow yeah the zoom buttons and for a t v yeah b wide screen high screen different things you have yeah different yeah can you zoom in a t v or that you can put em on on on wide and yeah but that should also be a sub then a sub menu thing menu yeah it should be available but then in separate screen settings or something yeah so we should also implement se screen settings yeah screen settings audio settings teletext settings you have 0 right yeah channel settings yeah so you can program the so those 4 and of course the main yeah so the 1st you see the main and the other ones you can go to yeah yeah like tap screens or something or i dunno yeah i hope we can do this something there are a lot of options depending on what kind of television you got yeah if cause if you do not got a wide screen television you do not need the the screen settings for no you do not yu a no you then you do not no ni do not then you do not use it yeah and if the television does not support such operations we do not have to use that top yeah yeah yeah so you leave it alone yeah yeah or it could be possible to have a a standard version of the remote an expanded version yeah and do we want them in different colors or yeah and and the buttons should they have colors colors yeah colors i think the main color of the remote control is the color of the l c d screen 0 but we do not have any buttons yeah i because we do not want a lot a devi yeah a device self s g yeah yeah then defines itself because how many percent 80% they think it is ugly right would spend more money if it looks fancy okay so use very lot of peo perhaps you can make adjustable fronts like with the telephones adjust with phones yes you can but i do not think that okay €12 50 well make it available in different colors you mean sure yeah yeah red white blue black rasta colors and a see through gray yeah sea view yes simpson is versions and yeah yeah see through version yeah if you press a button it turns green yeah okay well that is the leave a disco version 5 minutes signal for las final 5 minutes so i have the things i just read then we have separate menus for teletext screen settings audio settings and what else yeah channel settings 0 yeah right channel settings so you can program the t v yeah okay perhaps you should you would throw them on on in one pile so options and then you sub them yeah otherwise you have all those teletext perhaps teletext not but could be possible or like you have a menu button you press yeah or otherwise you have a menu button no we said teletext also a separate menu yeah but i press menu then you have main menu search all the all the settings yeah yeah okay but we can work that out later i guess but yeah no problem so we are having a a general menu with the most used functions teletext screen settings yep audio settings channel settings and maybe there are options for the remote itself like large icons or small icons and i do not know i think b because we do not have a lot of buttons on the one screen i do not know what else but no i think the buttons yeah but but or like you have you only have channel button or volume button or do we have any buttons on the remote which one those buttons you can you can but that is also in the l c d right yeah but on the l c d huh yeah right yeah okay yeah th so we do not have any normal buttons that no alright no no normal buttons yeah maybe only the on and 0 on and off button yet on and off is p is perhaps you kno but we do not need a special we do not need a special options menu for the remote itself not button but i do not think no no no okay 0 well you should be able to set which t v you have if you have if you have yeah sure of course you need a settings button or a settings option for the remote control yeah but is not idea to use what you said normal on and off button for the t v that you do not have to use a no no no because we we discussed that you could charge it otherwise is it it jumps to stand by mode automatically yeah but but not for the remote but for the t v that you use yeah but a t v of course th that is the i think that is a best thing is that to implement that one in the menu with the volume and channel but a not as normal button in the l c d yeah no well maybe there should be a separate button apart from the l c d because you can not turn it on when the l c d is off so how do you turn the thing on there has to be a on button on the remote huh no you just tap i think yeah you tap just tap it touch screen yeah then it is turn turn off turn on tap the thing okay and then the television is on also or just the remote no just the remote a television do not have to be on that one you can press on yeah stand by sure but yeah it should be in standby mode but then press on remote press on and then t v should be available yeah a yeah or not i do not know whether it is handy to have a n a normal on button a r just rubber for for t v so you can turn it on and then you can choose the channel separate otherwise you i do not know whether or not that is a a a normal button on the remote control or norm yeah yeah to turn it on of or you should put it in the l c d screen yeah because when you touch the l c d screen when it is in standby mode it should pop on yeah i have yeah okay well wh why would it be a a need to have a normal button well i i guess if you use the l c d screen you 1st have to search where is the on button then you you you then turn it and then the t v goes on but if you have a normal on button on the on the remote then you do the on and then you search the channel which you want yeah but i think the re the remote control if you press tap the screen it always should jump to the screen which has the volume button channel button and of course of also the on and off button 0 right i think it looks a lot more fancy if you use if you do not have any buttons on the s on on remote control yeah i think so too otherwise y wet e k yeah yeah yeah so actually we are going to create a a button less remote yeah no buttons at all okay well that is might be a unique selling point huh for a remote if we can afford it okay well i guess we have to yeah if we can afford it 0 okay yeah postpone further discussion to our next meeting because we are running out of time for now we are having a lunch break 0 and then there will be half an hour for the next share of individual work i will write minutes if i can create them out of this and put them in the the project documents folder and here are the individual actions for the for the other roles and of course specific instructions will be sent to you again by your personal coach alright luckily as we are okay well thank you very much for now and have a nice lunch huh lunch okay food should we put this back in our rooms or yeah think so yeah" ]

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[ "hello good morning again again coffee marketing expert the world is question 0 yeah get that submit submit how full effort all set good okay okay let us see what we can find here okay a very warm welcome again to everyone here we are already in our functional design meeting and this is what we are going to do the opening which we are doing now on a special note i am project manager but on the meetings i am also the secretary which means i will make minutes as i did as a previous meeting and i will also put these as fast as possible in the project folder so you can see them and review what we have discussed if i am right there are 3 presentations i guess each one of you has prepared one good and we will also take a look at new project requirements if you have not heard about them yet and then of course we have to take a decision on the remote control functions and we have some more time 40 minutes but i think we will need it well i do not know who wants to go 1st with his presentation i will go 1st okay shall i go 1st with the users i think everybody already has his presentation so he can adjust it okay and one question your name denny is it with a e a a e a okay thank you okay i wanted to explain the working design of a remote control it is possibly very handy if you want to design one of those well it basically works as i wrote down in this little summary when you press a button that is when you do for example when you want to turn up the volume a little connection is made rubber button just presses on a little print plate which makes a connection that gives the chips which is mounted beneath those plastic of a rubber button sense that connection has been made and knows what button you press for example the volume up or volume down button the chip makes more scrolls makes a morse code like signal which then is signaled to several transistors which sends the signal to a little lead you know what a let is okay and that makes the infrared light signal which is sent to the television set which has a sensor in it to sense the signal of the infrared that is basically how it works the findings that i found searching up some detail information about the remote controls are that they are very easy to produce this piece is possible to make them in mass production because it is as easy as printing a page just a fiberglass plate is covered with covered with some coatings and chips and the technology is already available we do not have to find out how remote controls have to work or how to make some chips that are possible to to transmit those signals i made a little animation about how i turned our remote control all the works in the mission there is something turning yeah it is a little bug it is in the smart board okay well the sub component i suppose that you understand what the sub component is in this example it is the button when it is pressed down the switch is switched on so with the wire is sent to the chip in cooperation with a battery cooperation with the battery of course because to make a signal possible you have to have some sort of electronic infrared life yes okay after it is being composed by a chip the signal is transported to the infrared bulb and from there it signals a morse code like signal to the to the bulb in the television set i wrote down some personal preferences about the remote control of course it is very handy if the remote control is handheld so you do not have to wind it up or something it is very light to make to use it i personally prefer that it would become available in various colors and easy to use buttons but i suppose that the ones but i suppose that one of the other team members thought of that too and it is possible for several designs and easy to use buttons perhaps soft touch touch screen buttons because the rubber buttons are always they can be slightly damaged so the numbers on the buttons are not possible to read anymore and as i said before we can make several different can make several designs okay well that is my contribution to this meeting and this meeting okay thank you can i go next yep okay please so smoked well my name is imke de jong and i looked at the technical functions design of the remote i did this by looking at examples of other remote controls of how they look and information from the web that i found well what i found was that the actual use of remote control is to send messages to a television set how you did what you described just early and this can be all sorts of messages turn it on turn it off change the channel adjust volume that kind of thing play video text but also play cd if you know if you use your cd player the remote control there are some examples of remote controls you can see they are very different the one has got all the functions that you could possibly need and a lot of buttons et cetera and the other is more user friendly little with big buttons and not all the stuff you can do with it but the essential stuff is there i guess you could better you should should look at a user centered approach because the customers have to use them and if they do not think it is usable they will not buy it a lot of buttons they may think from i do not need as much as that personal preferences is a simple remote with the basic functions that you can need that you could use but keep in mind the new functions of tv what we discussed earlier split screen and is that a function that you should have because all the tvs will have them or because of only a few and is not really necessary and then make it i would make so that you can use it on more than one appliance if you have one that does with the video it could also work with the stereo because play is play and stop stop and that thing you could reuse the buttons so that you do not have to have a lot of buttons for anything and it should be user friendly clear buttons and not too much and that is my presentation ok thank you ok check okay so we are going to discuss the functional requirements of the remote that means that functions user want to have on the remote control or just the users actually the method i prefer is we are going to look which section of the users we are going to focus a lot more are the younger people going to buy the remote control or the elderly people and that section we are going to focus and adjust the remote more to that section than the whole user section okay some data younger people from 16 to 45 years are more interested in features like lcd screens speech recognition etc and to possess about 23rd of the market from in that range of age the elderly people from 45 years to 65 years are not that much interested in features and we possess less than 23rd that is 25th of the market share in that area findings 50% of the users lose a remote often so we do not have to make it very small very small like a mobile phone or something but somewhat bigger than small so you do not lose that much anymore 75% of the users also find it ugly and 75 users have a lot so the buttons should be that small or should not be that complex because you have to search for the buttons which one you are going to use next important issues about the remote i think it would be better with the personal reference but okay remote control has to have a low power usage because 75% of the users only step one time an hour so the power usage is also one time an hour so with a high power usage we would use a lot of batteries the volume button and the channel buttons are the most important buttons under the remote control so those have to be found very easily and have to be somewhat like bigger etc it has also be have to find easily when the label is gone my colleague also knows that the label should be scratched off or be offer slated and so if that is the problem you also also problem you also have to find it easily on the remote buttons like my all of the colleagues said have to have to be minimalized or should be covered or in the lcd screen the lcd screen is easy because you have the other options put one option and then you have all the buttons of that options so the other options would be gone and you do not see the buttons so lcd screen should be easy but an lcd screen the problem with lcd screen is that elderly people from 45 to 65 years do not use the lcd screen a lot so we have to keep that in mind that if you are going to implement lcd screen do not have to make it that hard to learn or to use lcd screen as in touchscreen yeah touchscreen yeah the last but at least younger people are more critical about the features because they use the remote control often more often and are more technical than the older people and the older people spend more money and easily on the remote control so we have to keep in mind to focus not a lot not that much on the younger people but also somewhat on the elderly people and on my personal references i do not have any more time to come with that but like i said lcd screen is easily to use because you have you can implement a lot of buttons in one remote with not that much buttons and it should be easy to use especially the volume bottles the channel buttons and the number buttons to step through the channels and that is it okay thank you well thank you all i do not know did everyone receive an email with the new project requirements no yes i did not perhaps the rest then i think it is a good thing that i made a separate slide separate slide of them so you can all read them 0 not in this presentation should be in there well i can tell you them from my laptop teletext this has become outdated since the popularity of the internet so that is the 1st thing i think we should pay less attention to teletext the remote control should only be used for the television otherwise the project becomes more complex which which endangers the time to market and of course will make it more costly i think our current customers are within the age group of 40 plus new products should reach a new market with customers that are younger than 40 and you talked about it before and a last point but also very important our corporate image should stay recognizable in our products which means that our corporate color and slogan must be implemented in the new design so we have to keep that in mind well according to our agenda it is then time to take a decision on the remote control functions so who has any idea what should be on it and what should not well you said it should only with one appliance or with one they say only the tv yeah only be used for television and video also or not 0 it says only for television here all right okay makes it a lot easier yeah so yeah then you can yeah requirements no functions then it should have the on off yeah stand by yeah volume channel one till 20 numbers on it and the text does not have to be other functions yeah i had you can change from one number to 2 numbers yeah yeah i do not know what a name i think it is easy to improve i think it is easy to implement a button with especially do that because some tvs if you press the one and then the 2 it makes it 12 between 5 seconds you make 12 and that is not relaxed right and there are some models that do not accommodate that function so the phillips television makes it possible in that indeed to +one and then 2 to make the easy to reach channel 12 all the television makes use of those buttons where you 1st press that button and then press 2 digits to get it is good our main targets age are were 45 plus or well new products reach a market with customers that are younger than 40 and now we have okay because younger people was younger people have now 16 to 25 age are 81% interest in lcd screen from 26 to 35 or 66% and 36 to 45% and 35% so i think to because on most remote controls the print plate will be broken in how much 2 years you have to press very hard to go to the next channel with the ledd screen it is easier because you only have to wipe the screen for the fingerprint and then you can use the game collides with our mission to make it very cheap because lcd screens are very expensive touch screen probably even more true true but it is possible to make an lcd screen how was the information yeah it only says that this percentage like lcd screen because yeah it says that and it says that younger age between 16 and 45 highly interesting features more critical so perhaps we should we should focus on that lcd screen yeah because our target is 16 to 45 yeah but will we not exceed our production yeah you do not know how much it costs is it possible to find out anyway no i do not have any costs here i only have percentages but if you would do an lcd steam do not you have any buttons because if it only direct at the tv then you only have i do not know what you want to do an lcd screen is just like a drone here it just displays several buttons for example if you want the minimal use buttons such as channel and volume it just displays 4 buttons on the screen and it is possible to press them down just like a touchscreen so you can adjust which buttons you want on them so you can make it possible to do that for example adjust the audio settings press audio on the touchscreen and you get the buttons for the audio settings so the other buttons are gone yeah yeah so we are going for an lcd screen yeah i think it is the most easy yeah and hoping that when we produce a lot it will not be too expensive no we had 1250 i guess for production yeah i do not know how expensive any guess well i suppose if the if the young people are interested in lcd screens we should make them and if that is our market share to our goal to deliver those remote we also said that we should not only focus on the younger people but also not the older will they use it if it only has an lcd screen 46 to 45 32% and 65 56 to 65 12% 26 to 65 12% but our project requirements are the new products should be reached for new markets with customers that are younger than 40 but you do not want to alienate the other no that is not now but if they also buy it then it is alright yeah but market share for 40 years and younger is higher than that of 65 and younger all right okay so also it is yes okay what else yeah if it gets too much to expensive then yeah we should be sticking to rubber buttons yeah can you i think that they will send you some information about the cost of lcd screens no costs at all so if you receive an email about that can you post it in the or should we post that in our project map folder i think that should i think we all get the costs of everything because you are the marketing yeah i will post it we should have a backup plan that we would use but it is too expensive yeah but for now lcd yeah then you have the 75% of users find it ugly the lcd yeah that is a bit of the problem and 80% of the users would spend more money with a remote would look fancy 0 this is a bit it looks fancy with the lcd screen yeah but they do not like it they think it is ugly when it has an lcd yeah they are just the play remotes not specific lcd remotes 0 all right i thought then you said that yeah maybe you can make something fancy out of an lcd remote because it is new as far as i know yeah of course and then you have the other thing that is 75% sap a lot but that is not a question with the lcd screen the only thing you have to do is wipe the screen to do is wipe the screen off once in the time to get all your fingerprints off it okay okay what else does our remote need a mute button mute button the most important things on a remote control are channel selection volume selection and power usage and the tailor text but that is not of the question the question other things are for the people want to use it yeah we have got a big remote yeah we could make a separate menu on the lcd teletext yeah there is also less important things are screen settings audio settings and channel settings yeah it should be there but not but in a sub press menu yeah i think it is not i think it is also important to make it possible to to not use batteries and use acuacubteries to be like with the mouse yeah sure indeed so you can mount the remote control to charge it we should think of the 1250 we have yeah but we do not have any cost so okay because when you get an lcd screen you run it on batteries yeah batteries will be very soon post py is one of the most important things perhaps you should be able to switch the control off if you have an lcd screen that burns all the time so yeah yeah you should on an off the bus that is where extra that you have 1st to turn the remote on and then you can yeah i think it is not that easy because i do not think people would like it who that you have to turn it on 1st and then use it so i think it is better when the tv shuts down the remote shuts down and go to stand by mode when you do not use it yeah automatically yeah automatically after 2 minutes or 3 minutes yeah and maybe a low battery indicator yeah on the screen sure that before an hour when it gets empty they have plenty of time to recharge it or put it in a recharge it charter so we are going for the rechargeer yeah is it slim is it is it sensible yeah because when you are watching tv you are zapping and you have to put it in a recharge no when you are done with yeah we have to be sure that the batteries go hours 6 hours 56 hours but you also forget to put it in yeah then you have a problem but you are on the couch and you do not but you also forget to buy batteries yeah and then you can not use it so i or we have to be sure that the batteries last couple of days when they are searched so i think the batteries should should work a lot longer than a couple of days yeah because you have lcd screen yeah that is a high power usage high power usage it should be a standard move to put your remote control in the charger when you are done watching television that is also a great advantage because you can not lose it anymore because you are obliged to put in the charger and not to leave it in your couch between some cushions okay you made a point there but then you also have to have somewhere where you can put your charger near your couch because otherwise you have to walk along when you turn on the tv just a small device like a telephone charger or something just the cable or even a charger when you can mount it on something like that just you know okay okay it has to be easy to use also artflings market share speaker speech recognition professional designs for the elderly you could make it possible to enlarge the screen to make it possible to not display button at 10 points i think that this would be standard but it is one of our functions you have to specify because we can look at perhaps 40 buttons at the screen but in the elderly only look at 2 buttons okay and you said something about speech recognition yeah it says speech recognition yeah 12 50 that is also 91% 16 to 25 26 to 35 years 76% and 36 to 45 35% that is pretty big that is pretty big even bigger than for lcd yeah let us do speech let us leave out all the remote controls and just put a microphone on the television 90 you can clap or something turn volume up hey that is no idea do you say the wrong thing yeah okay well that should it has to be the remote control now yeah remote but they want to talk into the remote control or something why not we must pay more for speech recognition in a remote control it is the only thing it says do we want to implement that i think the lcd screen should be sufficient but when you look at the percentages yeah it says a lot perhaps the option should be yeah even higher why not why not maybe because of the cost but nobody knows how much i think it is better to have lcd screen because in the area of 36 to 45 we have about 30% of the market share in our hands and 55 of those people want lcd screen and 35 on speaker recognition so i think it is better to keep it with lcd screen both yeah with the cost so allow it i do not know that can be done with the cost of 12 50s if it should be done if it could be done yeah how would you like to implement that that you say volume up and then certain systems already exist i think then you also have to have different languages if we go international true it is true french and dutch and english but that should it should be accommodated with some software it should be also with lcd screen because i think it is chinese it is different written volume is different written than in sahili or something sohili you can use icons for the speaker and the that is better than language for the remote so you want to yeah it is international okay okay what else so no speech recognition or well if it could if it could be done with it should be done it could be done and it should be done yeah and then with different languages yeah that should be that is not so difficult you know i already use several voice operated systems and they are all possible to no but i think it is difficult every language you have dialects yeah i think it is very difficult you have to speak so that it can understand i think it can not be it can not be implemented but maybe we could use that as an option yes an option yes money left or something €50 cents let us do speech speech recognition okay so we only do that when we have enough money left yeah okay well i have written down an on or off button volume selection channel selection digits from one to 0 or from 0 to 9 or from 0 to 9 a digit button to switch between one and 2 digits mute button a separate menu for teletext a battery indicator we are going to use a docking station and probably lcd and if there is enough money speech recognition and the possibility to enlarge buttons or to have large buttons with teletext it was not really important important no you also now have colors i do not know if we should implement that when you press the red button you go to page 102 and i press the i do not know if we should implement that because it says that teletext not really important yeah the shortcut i think we could also implement the audio settings screen settings and channel settings but at submenus yeah mainly if you turn the remote control on you have to see one till 0 channel and volume and if you want to use teletext screen or audio then you can press it it should be available but not directly available yeah okay okay so not too much that text support but in a separate menu so actually it is there but it is not really there so it does not confuse the user uses the user we have to be easy to use i will search if you want to use teletext you can put the teletext button and then the options become available yeah that is right okay but no more buttons or functions or what else can you do with tesla i have got 2 examples here but i do not think there is anything we are missing play pause we need to be the 0 we do not have a video where is your presentation you could check the other remote controls technical functions which one was here the i do not know the technical functions they are a bit small you can we should stretch them because yeah yeah yeah yeah technical functions i guess we have got them all let us just look what you have volume mute play yeah that is actually in free slow yeah the zoom buttons yeah white screen high screen different things you have yeah different yeah but that should also be a sub menu yeah it should be favorable but then in some screen settings or something yeah so we should also implement a screen setting yeah screen settings yeah genetics settings you have channel settings yeah so you can program so those 4 and of course the main so 1st you see the main and the other ones you can go to like tap screens or something or i do not know i hope we can do this there are a lot of options it is depending on what kind of television you got because if you do not get a widescreen television you do not need the screen settings then you do not use it and if the television does not support such a operations we do not have to use that tap yeah yeah so you leave it slow yeah or it could be possible to have a standard version of the remote and expanded version and do we want to in different colors or colors yeah colors i think the main color of the remote control is the color of the lcd screen yeah and the device itself yeah device itself how many percent 80% would spend more money if it looks fancy okay so use very a lot of people perhaps you can make adjustable front like with it just a phone okay okay but i think that well make it available in different colors yeah red white blue black rastrofoam gray yeah see you if you 2 versions samson is versions if you press a button it turns green leave 5 minutes 2nd for our final 5 minutes so i have the things i just read then we have separate menus for the tata text screen settings audio settings and what else channel settings 0 yeah right so you can program the tv yeah maybe you should throw them in one point on in one pile so options and then you set them yeah otherwise you have all those tealtext or like a menu button you press a separate menu they have a main main usage all the all the settings yeah okay but we can work it out yeah later i guess so we are having a general menu with the most used functions data text screen settings audio settings channel settings and maybe there are options for the remote itself like large icons or small icons i do not know what else i think because we do not have a lot of buttons on one screen i do have any buttons yeah but like you have your only have channel button the volume button those buttons yeah yeah we do not have any normal buttons yeah maybe only the on enough we do not need the special options menu for the remote no no okay 0 well you should be able to set which tv you have yeah sure of course you need the settings button or a settings option for the remote control yeah but there is an idea to use what you said a normal on and off button for the tv no no no because we discussed that you could charge it otherwise it jumps to standby mode yeah but not for you but not for the remote but for the tv yeah for the tv of course i think that is the best thing is that to implement that one in the menu with volume but not as normal button in the lcd well maybe there should be a separate button apart from the lcd because you can not turn it on when the lcd is off so how do you turn the thing on there how you just tap it yeah you just tap it and then the television is on also or just remote no just remote television do not have to be on that one you can press on yeah it should be a standby yeah stand by then press on the remote press on and then tv should be available or not i do not know whether it is handy to have a normal on button just for tv so you can turn it on and then you can choose the channel otherwise you i do not know whether or not a normal button on the remote control or a normal yeah to turn it on or you should put it in or you should put it in the sd screen yeah because when you touch the sd screen when it is in standby mode it should pop on yeah yeah yeah why would it be handy to have an on well i guess if you use the lcd screen you 1st have the on button you then turn and then the tv goes on but if you have a normal on button on the remote then you do the on and then you search the channel which you want yeah but i think the the remote control if you press tap the screen it always should jump to the screen which has the volume button channel button and of course also the on and off button i think it looks a lot more fancy if you do not have any buttons on the monitor so actually we are going to create a button less remote no buttons at all okay well that might be a unique selling point remote if we can afford it okay well i guess we will have to respond for the discussion to our next meeting because we are running out of time for now we are having a lunch break and then there will be half an hour for the next share of individual work i will write minutes if i can create them out of this and put them in the project documents folder and here are the individual actions for the for the other roles and of course specific instructions will be sent to you again by your personal coach luckily as we are okay well thank you very much for now and lunch have a nice lunch food should we put this back in our rooms i think it will yeah i think so i think is a small yeah yeah 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah 0 yeah thanks 0 sorry" ]

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[ "we are so the meeting will have about the same format as the last time so switching over i have just left my 1st 2 screens i have mailed you the minutes of the last meeting just to save time okay cool and is there any questions you have that arised from last meeting that are particularly bothering you n no i do not think so no okay cool no then we shall start with a presentation from raj yeah hi me raj again in this meeting i i am going to discuss about the trend watching how these trends is going to affect our market potential and how important is this so we have to look on this 1st of all methodology the met methodology to find out the trend was incl was done in a way we have done a rec not only a recent remote control market survey but we also considered the latest fre fashion trends of the market because we think that this is also a factor which will affect our sales and profit so what are our findings in our in our findings we have seen that when we did our remote control market survey we found that people l people do have preference for tho fancy mobi f remote controls which look and feel very good rather than having a functional look and feel good so this sh this clearly indicates their preference for the design their outlook of the remote controls so we should take into we should consider this factor as the most important factor because this factor is twice as important the 2nd factor which is further ti twice the as important as the sec as the 3rd factor so this factor becomes the most important factor in our surv in our mark means in take in designing our rem remote controls the last one is the most important one is it no the 1st one is the the outlook of the mobile the it should have a fancy outlook 0 sorry okay the fancy design rather than just having a functional look and feel good it should have a fancy look and foo feel good okay the 2nd most important aspect is that remote control should be a technologically innovative we must have some technological advancement in the remote control tha rather than just putting it as it is as the other remo remote controls are so it should be technologically innovative like glow in the dark or speech recognition something like that so that indicates our technological advancement and the 3rd most important aspect in the ta to take into consideration is that it should be easy to use like it should not be too much co complicated there should not be too many buttons on this mobi remote control it should not be too complicated like this way and it should be and customers should be provided with manuals that is easy to understand in their local language something so that they could know how to use these remote controls when we did f fashions recent fashion our recent fashion update shows that sorry ah yeah i was just reading fruit and vegetables hard to know how we are going to incorporate that y yeah yeah we have to because d you can see how people have related their clothes shoes and everything with fruits and vegetables because the g world is now changing it is trend towards organic becoming more and more organic becoming yeah okay yeah we should make a big sponge lemon and then it would be it would be yellow yeah so yeah th that is very good it is yeah so something like that we we should do glow in the dark okay and people the f feel of the material is expected to be spongy rather than just having a plastic look hard look well that is good that is what we kind of predicted anyway yeah yeah so so that they could play with it while handi while handling it okay so that should also be taken into consideration okay so these are my views okay okay the spongy not real spongy so you can do you think like rubber would be good or does it really want to be like gel kind of stuff no it ca y a the rubber which is good for health and which is quite disposable that we can take into co yeah okay quite disposable okay cause we it should not be have any harm to the environment also because our company is very well for taking all these concerns into consideration 0 okay alright okay huh so we do not want to have any harm to the society so okay fashion cool kay so that is all fruit and veg well there you go just what i think of when i think of a remote control a remote control yeah and were there any factors that were not important in the survey that they said we do not want s we did not find out any such point or was it just okay yes there could be but we could not find out any so cool f what is it function f 8 yeah okay yeah no signal 0 no is that no it has got it has got it yeah yeah yeah excuse me yeah okay and then f 5 right yeah okay okay so the interface concept yeah the interface specification what people how they interact with it basically i think so the method we looked at existing designs what are the what is good about them what is bad about them i looked at their flaws so we are going to look at their flaws everything and what the survey told us and what we think would be good so a bit of imagination kay the findings i have got some pictures to show you as well either yeah okay so most remote controls use graphical interface where you have got s buttons and you point it rather than having the output as a a stream of text or something okay and we also found that there is inconsistent layout which makes it confusing so i think for our remote control there is some inconsistency already in ec existing in between remote controls but i think standard kind of shape and play and those kind of but buttons like the the top right for on and off or something i think people find that then it is easy to use right okay yeah and we have got some pictures of some new remote controls to show you do i press escape f 5 excellent no just escape or just escape okay should 0 i still have not got my glasses on yeah okay so these are the some of the pictures of existing ones wow i will just walk you through them this one is a voice recognition and that is the kind of idea we are going for kay looks pretty complicated there is an l c d thing which we thought could i thought could get a bit confusing and a bit expensive as well for us right okay this one is got a kind of scroll like a mouse which yeah like the middle button okay and but i am not exactly sure how you would use that like would the computer come ah it is kinda like scrolling right well if i s if i am thinking of the right one i have got the same thing in front of my monitor you scroll it and the when you reach the sort of menu item that you require you press the middle of the scroll huh that is like the l c d one is it right okay but the one below that has got like a little scroll function on the side but i presume that the functions must come up on the t v screen yeah presumably yeah i think that is what that is so these are just a few ideas again that is just quite boring shape gray looks quite space agey but too many buttons i think on that one yeah looks like looks like something out of a jet it looks threatening yeah it does look kind of dangerous it looks like yeah this one i thought was really cool it is w it has got the programmability function that we talked about you can put it in there it is for your kids and it is quite an organic shape and the little circle around there is pretty cool okay and that is really easy to use bright so i like this one lot for our design i think something like that would be good wow yeah i m i mean the one thing i think about about these ones is these kl secured areas of course yellow i have seen a lot of them with the the cover missing right yeah so like have it hinge rather than sort of clip on or whatever yeah that is true yeah so maybe that could be built into one of the things and it comes up on the t v or something and this one the over sized one i do not know about you but i think it is a bit too gimmicky yeah i do not think that will sell very well i mean is that not sort of to assist the blind or something is it i guess so i do not know i think that is a bit strange then d blind do not watch t v yeah exactly no they do they do they listen to it they do yeah yeah and this one is just pointing out i like some of these things the the raised symbols and everything but pointing out that this one the volume it is kind of pressing down but it would actually go up because of the shape right okay so that could that is a bit confusing but the buttons on this i think are it is just showing you how you can have different different buttons they do not have to be all the same so that is quite cool kay but people tend to recognize certain shapes to do certain things anyway do not they yeah exactly f 5 yes so there are some of the findings so we need to combine those ones and i have just got an e mail from our technical department saying that they have broken through with some new speech recognition software that you can program in brilliant that is handy yeah it is just in time very handy so i think maybe incorporating that in our design would be good it is you program it like you say record and then play and then okay record play machine and stuff like that so that is and it is much yeah so that is quite cool personal preferences just some imagination the raised symbols i thought were good the l c d it does look smart but i think maybe for our budget do you think that would be a bit too expensive to have the the l c d and the other stuff i think yeah and the speech recognition cause i think we are definitely going for the speech recognition are we but in our market survey we have seen that people are willing to pay more but they want the quality they want f fancy look they want some new design something new huh okay huh yeah but our budget we have yeah it is still it is still got to get within our 1250 you know yeah so even if we increase our cost little bit within some limits and we give something new technological advancement as well as new design with fancy outlook huh i think we will meet the requirements and we will be able to have a good sales in the market okay i am not sure if the if for €25 per €12 50 m manufacturing cost okay ben bana yeah i can not see tha although th i mean to be to be sure they have got i mean they are going crazy with the l c d technology now the l c d so that you have got your l c d t v s and everything so maybe the small yeah but i mean like i i the black and white i guess it just does not look funky enough no but i mean like even mobile phones or whatever have now have color l c d screens w i ju i mean i would not know about the costs of them yeah s huh but price price not withstanding is it too complicated is it going to be too much just overload 1250 and the i it will be easy because there will be on l c d s screen possibly yeah that is the thing because there will be different frent icons they can just click ok okay whatever they wa but but the thing is when you use a remote control you never look at it right yeah you are looking at the t v and and it is it just seems kind of like a a needless th yeah yeah that is true yeah and one of the survey findings was that they want it easy to use so i think i am not sure about the l c d right it is a it is great it is a good idea but for our budget and for the thing we are trying to go for eas easy to use it is not the thing we should go for i think child friendly i thought this was good as you pointed out the the bit it often goes missing especially with children but it is a good shape and the organic is kind of we could make a vegetabley kind of round shape i think yeah so which vegetable well i mean we could make a yeah yeah i know carrot well si since we are going for the the k the sort of company colors okay i think your lemon was not that far s and if it does not work you know we have just made a lemon the the lemon yeah well what are the options but we do not want it to be yeah the child friendly yeah easy to use it seems quite easy to use i like the d the different shapes of the buttons and stuff i think that is a good idea to go for i like i like the colorful buttons as well yeah and the mouse one i thought it was a good idea because people use mo mice mouses now with the scrolling thing yeah i mean we are marketing to sort of 25 to 35 so most people yeah will have come in contact with that kind of use s yeah so they would be able to use that as i said i think i i would presume it would come up on the screen yeah so there you go and that means tha that means you get to bump that bit to the t v maker so yeah 0 so that is the user interface kay design so okay i will take this out now then okay so there you go i guess there are a lot of options that we are going to have to choose from among yeah looks like it and i will i will give you the i guess technical considerations for those and i am going to use the whiteboard just cause we have not used it yeah i was just thinking the self same thing right so the way i am going to do this is we are going to take a look at some old remote controls see how they work reuse the the vital kind of essential pieces of it and then we will throw in our new innovations and keep it all within budget magic man so yeah looking inside a a very simple remote control this is what they sent me kay here is the competition i suppose you open it up there is a circuit board inside and there is a a chip a processor the t a 11835 which receives input from the buttons and ch so this is a standard off the shelf kind of a chip is it right it is very they are very cheap remote this remote costs nothing you know so that takes a signals from the buttons and translates it into a sequence of pulses that it then sends to the to the amplifier which is made of some transistors and amplifiers op amps and then that gets sent to the to the l e d light which i can kinda see is that little red light bulb at the end and that sends out the infrared light signal to the television right 0 here it is so this is kind of the the bear essentials that we need to have in our remote control because it it defines the okay so can we make them to pretty much any size we like or is there a minimum or r no i mean this is a very old one so now with the new technology this is a a minimally small and cheap thing to make they got to be almost a key ring right so this is what we need to have for certain okay so you know as we said we got the outer casing which we have to decide you know what is it going to be the board we have to use basically the same set up processor we will probably use the more advanced processor than they had amplifier and transmitter are all standard so for the casing this an e mail i got from our manufacturing team you know we have a bunch of options from wood titanium rubber plastic whatnot latex double curved curved so lots of choices what do we think kay or sponge i guess is not on there right well organic sponge well i mean like la latex has a kinda spongy feeling to it does not it i am not sure about the sponge yeah it is very elasticy for sure yeah yeah and that would k also give it kinda durability and yeah and ther that is also f sorta relatively cheap to cast yeah so so maybe s a sort of plastic initial plastic with a a latex kinda sheath okay so here are a a plastic latex i like the rubber the stress balls i think you know that could be a bit of a gimmick like it is good to hold and 0 right okay 0 right i do not know what that stuff is so something with give to it yeah yeah okay and that might be quite durable and easy to chuck around and and the color is yellow right yeah y yellow incorporated yeah or at least incorporating yeah yellow okay i mean i forgot i we are sort of i do not know what other standard silver kind of i think other parts or yeah the buttons w like cause there is going to be the the cover the the rubber or the plastic casing and then the buttons in probably 2 different colors or i if we are having buttons actually kay so yellow for the body and then what color for the buttons i don i quite like the multi colored buttons myself yeah so multi colored buttons you do have ones like play could be green or on and off is red and stuff like that yeah yeah or yeah a limit maybe even just a limited multi color so it it does not look too childish perhaps makes it easy to use yeah that is true because that blue one did look quite hardish okay yeah although i mean this also comes to shape as well i mean if we are going to make it a novel i mean double curved sounds good to me if we are talking about sorta ergonomic and easy use okay yeah a bit comfier you know yeah kay so the shape we want to go how exactly maybe double like an hour glass kind of figure is that what you are thinking of or just like a yeah it is yeah that that would be that is sort of comfortable to hold easy to hold so you do not drop it it is not yeah what about a banana we could make novelty remote controls yeah okay like we could have a big banana shaped remote control cause it is yellow fruit right well yeah i mean like yeah yeah and a lemon might be a little hard to grip yeah but then how would you point it ah yeah yeah how would you point it 0 i it does not matter which end you point i guess what we could have a little l e d s on each end yeah i appreciate this idea because then this this will help us in our advertisement also and we can relate with fruits and vegetables the people is choices they only cost pennies that what our data shows that so this w this w yeah y i am i am not sure about the banana idea huh so a spongy banana re yeah i mean that that th rubber banana okay does it does seem a bit again childish maybe yeah okay okay i think maybe just draw on the kind of fruit and vegetable shape and what else did you say about fashions what was trendy the fashion trend shows that fruits and vegetables like people now s see and sponginess and spongy yeah so maybe an an unidentifiable fruit or fiable fruit or vegetable like so it would have a stem perhaps and a spongy yeah yeah maybe yeah maybe a it would be s axially symmetric huh like what is what is that i do not even know the name of it some kind of you know where it is like looks like a little snowman kind of thing i do not know the name of that so it would look like this kinda yeah that is what i was thinking like a gourd almost or a squash of some sort yeah maybe that is what they are cause that you can hold it in like the bottom bit and yeah and it has a a clear top and bottom so y so you could say you know it transmits from this end yeah yeah why the hell not let us that will make us €50000000 i do not know what do you guy what do you think well i guess it is kind of dra you do not necessarily have to have it sort of clearly identified as a fruit just to have that kind of fruitish shape no yeah yeah yeah yeah then only we can relate it with something yeah we can relate it by advertising or yeah exactly okay so double curved single curved what do we feel yeah or we can do something we can design 23 shapes and we can have a public survey let the public choose what they want huh there is a good man okay there is a good idea okay okay i guess since you are the marketing guy yeah sure we will i will be happy to do that okay we could do that okay and buttons would did we say different shapes of buttons i l i su i mean for the specific functions you know up and down play stop okay so they have got i mean they have got standard sort of intuitive so buttons things that are always used okay just like that that is cool yeah i like it okay with the scroll wheel or no yeah what about the scroll wheel and speech recognition speech recognition i think so we need a microphone presumably okay i could put the microphone here okay there is the microphone yeah where should i put the microphone i mean ho h h wel are we sure that scroll wheel does give ease of use yeah i am not sure i mean those ideas i saw were just for inspiration i think glad we are not doing this for real yeah i can no i am not sure okay well we can do some user test with scroll wheels right i couldn yeah yeah okay and i think if this this new software for the sound recognition is the microphone yeah okay so should the microphone be just anywhere on it or i would put it sort of sub centrally so it is yeah yeah kay there is the mic so it can be sort of held and w we really need really going to need to hold it if it is going to be voice recognition that is cool n well we can whoops oops so let us not use the whiteboard any more yeah upsidaisy oops sorry okay and so what else was there the what about the glow in the dark thing the strip around it are we just going to leave that i s i still like it but that is me you still like it cause we have got the technological innovation with the speech recognition system right yes or maybe it is just going a bit too far i mean we are pushing it probably with funny fruit shapes cause it could yeah do not want to sort of overkill especially with yellow i dunno cause i mean like if we i mean how good is the speech recognition thing do we want to go for buttons at all do we want to just have a device that maybe sits and pretends it is a fruit then you put it in the fruit bowl they can work from a you do not have to hold it yeah you know and then you just tal i mean like everybody has got fruit bowl in front of the telly yeah i it could even encourage healthier habits for television watchers you know they have fruits all round them yeah yeah make them make them think of fruit yeah now just make sure they do not eat the remote yeah i mean some i l like think of a fruit that could sit sort of independently on its own like i dunno an apple yeah do we need buttons then it is just apple so sort of yellow apples though yeah i quite like the shape i quite like the design of that cause that could sit on its own and it is quite got a quite steady base yeah okay yeah that is good groovy okay but yeah and as we say we n we do not want to be too ridiculous with the fruit things you know yeah but yeah about the speech thing it does not have to be hand held or close it can sit at a distance and pick it up still yeah okay so i mean like you could actually yeah gives you the options or we can we can do one thing we can just have a remote control and casings of different different shapes different fruit shapes in such a way that a any casing can be could be fit into this mobile general piece so whatever people want like if somebody want it in banana shape we will put that casing onto that mobile phone okay it will look l yeah so a selection of casings yeah cause you said about disposable did not you in that w it kind of fi it fits with f fits with marketing s s sorry you said about disposable earli people want disposable things so we could do that like have a choice like if this is a like if this is a mobile phone we will design casing in such a way like half of we need not to have a full cover we will just have a half of cover okay yeah like like mobiles yeah if somebody wants it i in banana shape we will fit banana shape casing onto that so it will give a banana shape look yeah if somebody wanted in apple shape we will design that we will put we will put apple shape casing on that it will give apple shape look okay so in that way you can have any that means whatever you want without yeah okay we still need the buttons in the same places thought do not we yeah button will be on the upper side buttons will be the on the upper side you can standardize those i mean 0 that is the other side yeah buttons will be on the upper side lower side we will just put the casing 0 okay so half of that will be look the yeah not not the upper side 0 half a fruit 0 okay okay so from lower you can it means while you are holding of from this side you c you can have banana look or apple look whatever okay okay so in that way we need not to d have different different shape mobiles everything we will just design casings fruit shape okay yeah yeah i think tho i think if you are going to have a facia then you would want to have it so that it does go over the buttons and cause when if you think about it if they are wanting it cause they want to look at it if they are using it and what they want to look at is facing away from them it does not really you know cause that would be in the palm of their hand and they would not be able to see it yeah unless you have sort of you got the buttons options on one side and you get the facia on the other side with a microphone so that you can place it face down and you have got the facia and you can just talk at the maybe okay so so you have narrowed it down to half a dozen options yeah s i guess we decided on material right so that that spongy latex rubber everything feel yeah yeah and the colors we got down and the shape maybe we will just make it kinda mix and match type of shape or yeah yeah well because well i i am not sure if we should go so far in the whole fruit thing because i think we should maybe just take the inspiration from the fruit and because what yeah okay so we stick with what we have got there w i think wh wha would we are trying to get to 2535 year olds who want it quite trendy as well they said they wanted something that looks fancy and i think maybe fruit could be a bit of a too much of a gimmick but something ergonomically shaped and organic like good to hold based on fruits and natural things like that because al already we are going a bit gaudy with the yellow you know kay yeah i mean we could make it nice pale yellow well it is kind of got to be our company is yellow okay okay okay so again i mean like we could have i mean we could quite easily have the the main body be a different yeah maybe we could have that pale yellow and then an outside bit bright yellow with you said the logan the slogan color but have kinda going round yeah because i mean e even if i mean not necessarily that the the whole body has to be of the company color so you know blue and yellow tend to go to we well together yeah so you have the main body blue with the yellow logo and slogan running up one side of it kind of thing yeah yeah huh w sort of great as for the energy source you know almost every remote control uses just batteries but we do not have to be limited by that we can use a hand dynamo i do not know what that means we crank it it is i think it is basically the more you move i it it has got a wee thing inside that just kinda powers it right it is like those watches that you c so yeah this might be an idea for something that people really want to grab you can shake it if it is out of power 0 a d a dynamo yeah yeah yeah i like that yeah yeah like with those watches that you kind of twist yeah yeah that is quite cool okay so if it if it is not working i guess people is natural reaction anyway is to just shake the thing okay but you shake it and scream at it yeah but but do you think that it will be a good idea to use dynamo tha these type of cells yeah it is yeah because then people have to well like if the cell is out of bat yeah to mo yeah it does leave them with an obligation to especially if they want to use it sp specifically as voice activated yeah because most of the people yeah then if it is just sitting on the right yeah then they have to pick it up and then activate it and then yeah okay okay that is true okay right what are the other options there is solar power solar power will w also not be a good idea because then they have to keep m their mobiles outside in solar energy yeah yeah and the days when there is no sola sunlight yeah i am i am with raj on that i think you know okay so probably just yeah i have got i have got no i have got a north facing house there is not really ever sun coming in my window what we w yeah but w like just normal light i think we should a rechargeable battery will be a good idea 0 that is true they can they can recharge it i mean i w i w that idea that i thought just on the basis of like ridding them of batteries and that kind of bother is having a and we are a very environmentally friendly company are not we as well yeah having a rechargeable stand so that not only it doubles as a stand yeah yeah yeah but for using it as recharging it but also for using it as sound recognition yeah kay like like a hand like one of those portable phones kind of thing yeah that kind of thing yeah that is yeah exactly okay so a rechargeable battery yeah yeah okay rechargeable the user interface the buttons i guess we talked about this already what is chip on print what is sorry never mind th the the electronics basically the more features we add oops this one so the more features we add the fancier chips we need to buy and put in which adds to the cost as you can expect but i think we can keep it all under budget so yes so the speech thing you said our our techno our research and development department came up with some break through so just in time yeah and if we if we are just having buttons and the speech then we are getting our cheapest option of just in time chipping right right that is good woah yeah and keeping the l c d screen out okay we are we are kind of we are kind of excuse m i have just deleted that whole thing we are kind of running out of time so if you could was that you that was your bit is covered i just dele i just accidentally deleted what i was supposed to say next huh 0 yeah that was that was it excuse me bri yeah so control f 8 right 0 yeah yeah mine seems to have turned off i can not do anything and i just touch the pad you just touch the pad yeah no it is actually shut down no it is on but there is nothing on the screen okay now what we have our next meeting is in half an hour and what i would like you guys to do is work on giving me a model in clay try flipping the screen down kay 0 i get to do it too yeah cool it is you guys 0 neat yeah so you know i mean luckily we chose a nice simple shape yeah yeah yeah and further instructions will be sent by your personal coaches okay that is great okay save everything to the shared documents is that right yeah i hope i can recover this cause i have accidentally deleted it yeah which does not really help me much i think i have saved mine already yeah can you save that send that last one again please raj as i still can not find it on the yeah it was under a different name i will show you in shared documents okay working components 0 you did not get that no i will send new okay thank you i will put it in shared documents again yeah project project documents project documents sorry i put it in the shared documents right that is that is the that it goes there automatically if you put it in project documents yeah project documents is on the desktop right that is great but i cou can not open that because it w asks for some username or password 0 really i will show you these lapel mics are trouble ts 0 right i think hold on sorry yeah i do not know if y it it just ca it just came up on my on my agenda s presumably there is clay somewhere 4 yeah that is great whoops light light please light right there you go yeah th thank you yeah quite and we are using this our basic chip set so it is all good 0 sorry are we done with our meeting excuse me brian i think we are almost done yeah you have to keep your pen separate because i used your pen yeah 0 oops sorry man s okay still did not manage to get down all the last bits so we had rechargeable and apples kay so we came up with that that is okay what is supplements supplements see cool fun i should have something like that if i kn see i i knew that i should have sort of engineered it so we k ended up making a diffi difficult shape just for cruelty yeah star fruit i wonder if they mean like literally make it sort of buttons and everything so sh should no should we leave now brian 0 yeah we can do buttons or we are going to discuss something no i think that is us our discussion over unless anybody has got questions or confusions cause i am confused no i am good yeah huh okay excuse me we will probably get questionnaire in a minute it is a sorry thank you yeah there we go warning finish meeting now so i rounded it up far too fast where are we going my documents that is not what i want my project documents there we go" ]

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[ "every time we need to get hard right i am attached i believe we are so at the meeting we will have about the same format as the last time so there is much switching over i have just left my 1st 2 screens out i have mailed you the minutes of the last meeting just a safe time okay cool and is there any questions you have that arise from the last meeting that particularly bothering you no i did not think so okay cool then we shall start with a presentation from maraj yeah hi mirage again in this meeting i am going to discuss for the trend watching how this trend is going to affect our market potential and how important is this important is this so we have to look on this 1st of all methodology the methodology to find out the trend was in a way we have done in a way we have done a recent not only recent remote control market survey but we also considered the latest fashion trends of the market because we think that this is also a factor which will affect our sales and profit so what are our findings in our in our findings we have seen that when we did our remote control market survey we found that people people do have preference for the fancy mobile of remote controls which look and feel very good rather than having a functional look and feel good so this this clearly indicates their preference for the design their outlook of the remote controls so we should take into we should consider this factor as the most important factor because this factor is twice as important the 2nd factor which is further twice as important as the 3rd factor so this factor becomes the most important factor in our service in our mark means intake and designing our remote controls the last one is most important one no the 1st one is the the outlook of the mobile it should have a fancy outlook fancy design rather than just having a functional look and feel good it should have a fancy look and feel good the 2nd most important aspect is that remote control should be a technologically innovative we must have some technological advancement in the remote control rather than just putting it as it is as the other remote controls are so it should be technologically innovative like global in the dark or speech recognition or something like that so that indicates our technological advancement and the 3rd most important aspect in the to take into consideration is that it should be easy to use like it should not be too much complicated there should not be too many buttons on this mobile remote control it should not be too complicated and like this way and it should be and customers should be provided with manuals that is easy to understand in their local language something so that they could know how to use these remote controls when we did fashion is recent fashion our recent fashion update shows that sorry i am just reading fruit and vegetables i do not know how we are going to incorporate that yeah yeah we have to because you can see how people have related their clothes shoes and furniture everything with fruits and vegetables because the world is now changing its trend towards organic becoming more and more organic should a big sponge lemon yeah so that is very good so something like that we should do okay and people the feel of the material is expected to be spongy rather than just having a plastic look hard look well that is good that is what we kind of predict so that they could play with it while handling it so that should also be taken into consideration so these are my views okay the spongy not real spongy you can do you think like rubber would be good or does it really want to be gel the rubber which is good for health and which is quite disposable that we can take into yeah because it should not we have any harm to the environment harm to the environment also because our company is very well reupted for taking all these concerns into consideration so we do not want to have any harm to the society okay so that is all pretty vague there you go what i think of when i think of a remote control yeah next to you are there any factors that were not important in the survey that they said we do not want we did not find out any such point yes there could be but we could not find out any cool so what is it functionary yeah okay yeah you said the s too no your signal no no yes is that under yeah yeah yeah yeah okay and then f 5 right okay so the interface concept yeah the interface specification what people how they interact with it basically i think so the method we looked at existing designs what is good about them and what is bad about them and looked at their floors we are going to look at their floors and everything and what the survey told us and what we think would be good so a bit of imagination the findings i have got some pictures to show you it is the rocket yeah okay so most remote controls use graphical interface where you have got buttons and you point it rather than having the output as a stream of text or something and it also found that there is inconsistence layout which makes it confusing so i think there are remote control there is some inconsistency already in the existing between remote controls but i think the standard kind of shape and play and those kind of buttons like the top right for on and off or something i think you find that important because then it is easy to use and we have got some pictures of some new remote controls to show you do i press escape f 5 and i will just escape escape okay yeah okay so these are some of the pictures of existing ones i will just talk you through them this one is voice recognition and that is the kind of idea we are going for there is an lcd thing which we thought could get a bit confusing a bit expensive as well for us this one has got a kind of scroll like a mouse like the middle button yeah but i am not exactly sure how you would use that it is kind of like scroll if i am thinking of the right one i have got the same thing in front of my monitor you scroll it and then when you reach the sort of menu item that you require you press the middle that is like the lcd one is it but the one below that it has got like a little scroll function on the side but i presume that the functions must come up on the tv screen yeah i think that is what that is so these are just a few ideas again that is just quite boring shape gray looks quite space age but too many buttons i think on that one directly looks like something yeah it does look kind of dangerous this one i thought was really cool it is we have got the programmability function that we talked about you can put it in there it is few kids and it is quite an organic shape and the little circle around there is pretty cool and that is really easy to use bright so i like this one a lot for our design i think something like that would be good yeah i mean the one thing i think about about these ones is these secured areas i have seen a lot of them with the cover missing right yeah have it hinge rather than yeah that is true yeah so maybe that could be built into one thing and it comes up on the tv or something and this one the oversized one i do not know about you but i think it is a bit too gimmicky i do not think that will sell very well is that not sort of to assist the blind or something is it i guess so i do not know i think that is a bit blind do not watch tv yeah exactly they do they listen to it yeah and this one is just pointing out i like some of these things the raised symbols and everything but it is pointing out that this one the volume it is kind of pressing down but it would actually go up because of the shape so that is a bit confusing but the buttons on this i think is just showing you how you can have different buttons i do not have to be all the same so that is quite cool people tend to recognize certain shapes to do certain things yeah exactly so there was some of the findings so we need to combine those ones and i have just got an email from our technical department saying that they have broken through with some new speech recognition software that you can program in yeah it is just in time handy so i think maybe incorporating that in our design would be good you program it like you say record and then play and then record playing and stuff like that so that is and it is much yeah so that is quite cool personal preferences just some imagination the raised symbols i thought were good the lcd it does look smart but i think maybe for our budget do you think that would be a bit too expensive to have the lcd and the other stuff and the speech recognition because i think we are definitely going for the speech recognition but in our market survey we have seen that people are willing to pay more but they want the quality they want fancy look they want some new design something new yeah so even if we increase our cost a little bit within some limits and we give something new technological advancement as well as new design with fancy outlook i think we will meet the requirements and we will be able to have a good sales in the market i am not sure if €25 €12 50 manufacturing cost of the thing that might i can not see although i mean to be sure they have got i mean they are going crazy with lcd technology now so that you have got your lcd tvs and everything so maybe the small but i mean like the black and white i guess it just does not look funky now but i mean like even mobile phones or whatever have now have color lcd screens yeah i mean i would know about the cost of them but price notwithstanding is it too complicated is it going to be too much just overload yeah that is the thing it will be easy because there will be on lcd screen there will be different different icons they can just click okay whatever they want when you use remote control you never look at it right yeah you are looking at the tv that is true yeah and it is it just seems kind of like a and one of the survey findings was that they want it easy to use so i think i am not sure about the lcd it is a great it is a good idea but for our budget and for the thing we are trying to go for easy to use it is not the thing we should go for i think child friends but i thought this was good as you pointed out the bit it often goes missing especially with children but it is a good shape and the organic is kind of we could make a vegetabley kind of round shape i think so which vegetable yeah i know carrot since we are going for the the sort of company colors i think your lemon was not it yeah and if it does not work you know we do not want to be yeah the child friend easy to use it seems quite easy to use i like the different shapes of the buttons and stuff i think that is a good idea to go for i like the colorful buttons as well and the mouse one i thought it was a good idea because people use mouse is now with this scrolling thing i mean we are marketing to sort of 55 to 35 so most people will have common contact with that kind of use so they would be able to use that as i said i presume it would come up on the screen yeah so there you go that means you get to bump that bit to the tv makers yeah so that is the user interface it is the line okay i will take this out now then there you go so i guess there are a lot of options that we are going to have options that we are going to have to choose from among yeah looks like it i will give you the i guess technical considerations for those i do not know i am going to use a whiteboard just because we have not used it yeah i was just thinking of the self so the way i am going to do this is we are going to take a look at some old remote controls see how they work we use the vital kind of essential pieces of it and then we will throw in our new innovations and keep it all in budget so looking inside a very simple remote control is what they sent me okay here is the competition i suppose you open it up there is a circuit board inside and there is a chip the poster the ta 11835 which receives input from the buttons this is a standard off the shelf kind of a chip is it right they are very cheap but this would not cost nothing you know so that takes the signals from the buttons and translates it into a sequence of pulses that it then sends to the amplifier which is made of some transistors and amplifiers upamplifers up amps and then that gets sent to the led light which i can kind of see is that little red light bulb the end and that sends out the infrared light signal to the television there it is so this is kind of the the bare essentials that we need to have in our remote control it defines so can we make them to pretty much any size we like or is there a minimum no i mean this is very old one so now i mean this is very old and so now with the new technology this is a minimum small and cheap almost a key thing right so this is what we need to have for certain so as i said we have got the outer casing which we have to decide you know it is going to be the board we have to use basically the same setup processor we will probably use a more advanced processor than they had amplifier and transmitter are all standard so for the casing this is an email i got from our manufacturing team you know we have a bunch of options from wood titanium rubber plastic whatnot latex double curve curve so lots of choices what do you think or sponge i guess is it on there well i mean latex has a kind of spongy feel to it does not it yeah it is very elastic for sure yeah and that would also give it kind of durability and and it is also to relatively cheap to cast some of base a sort of plastic initial plastic with a latex kind of sheath okay so i hear a plastic latex i like the rubber the stress balls i think you know that could be a bit of a gimmick like it is good to hold and so something would give to it yeah okay and that might be quite durable and easy to chuck around the color is yellow right yeah or at least incorporate yellow incorporated yeah okay i mean if we are going so i do not know what other i think standard silver kind of other parts or yeah the buttons like because there is going to be the cover the rubber or the plastic casing and then the buttons and probably 2 different colors or if we are having buttons actually so yellow body and then what color for the buttons i quite like the multicolored buttons yeah so multi colored buttons you do have ones like playing could be green or on and off as reds and stuff like that yeah or yeah i remember you can just a limited multicolour so it does not look too childish yeah that is true because that blue one did look yeah although i mean this also comes to shape as well i mean if we are going to make it a novel i mean double curve sounds good to me if we are talking about it is ergonomic and easy use yeah it would be comfier you know yeah okay so the shape we want to go how exactly maybe like an hourglass kind of figure is that what you are thinking of or just like it that be that is sort of comfortable to hold easy to hold so you do not drop it what about a banana we could make novelty remote controls well yeah i mean like like we could have a big banana shaped remote control because it is yellow yeah yeah yeah and a lemon might be a little hard to print it yeah how would you point it it does not matter which end you point it could have a little leds in each end it would cost it yeah i appreciate this idea because then this then this will help us in our advertisement also and we can relate it with fruits and vegetables the people is choices that whatever data shows that so this what you are sure about the banana idea so spongy rubber banana i mean it does seem a bit again childish yeah i think maybe just draw on the kind of fruit and vegetables shape and what else did you say about fashions what was the trend the fashion trend shows that fruits and vegetables like people now and spongy yeah yeah so it has a stem perhaps maybe yeah it would be actually symmetric what is that i do not even know the name of it some kind of you know what it is like looks like a little snowman kind of thing i do not know the name of that so it look like this kind of yeah that is what i was thinking like a gourd yeah maybe that is a bit 0 god because that you can hold it in like the bottom bit and and it has a clear top and bottom so it could say you know it transmits from this end i do not know that will make us 50000000 what do you think well i guess it is kind of you do not necessarily have to have it sort of clearly identified as a fruit no kind of fructish shape yeah yeah then only we can relate it yeah it by advertising yeah exactly so double curved single curve or we can do something we can design 23 shapes and we can have a public survey let the public choose what they want that is a good line that is a good idea okay okay i guess since you are the marketing guy yeah sure i will be happy to do that okay i can do that and buttons did we say different shapes or buttons i mean for the specific functions you know up and down play stop they have got i mean they have got standard sort of intuitive things that are always used just like that yeah that is cool i like it with the scroll wheel or no yeah what about the scroll wheel speech recognition i think so we need a microphone presumably i could put the microphone yeah there is the microphone yeah i mean are we sure that scroll wheel does give ease of use yeah i am not sure i mean those ideas i saw were just for inspiration i think yeah i can no i am not sure okay well we can do some user tests with scroll wheel yeah yeah and i think if this new software for the sound recognition is then keep in the microphone so should the microphone be just anywhere on it i would put it sort of sub centrally so it is yeah yeah so it can be sort of held and i do not know we are really going to need to hold it if it is if it is going to be voice recognition no well we can oops so let us not use the whiteboard anymore yeah yeah oops daisy i am sorry and so what else was that the what about the glow and the dark thing the strip around it are we just going to leave that i still like it i still like it but that is me because we have got the technological innovation with the speech recognition yeah so maybe it is just going a bit too far i mean we are pushing it probably with funny fruit shapes yeah i do not want to sort of walk in yellow i do know because i mean like if we are i mean how good is the speech recognition thing do we want to go for buttons at all they want to just have a device that maybe sits and pretends it is a fruit so you put in the fruit bowl yeah they can work from a you do not have to hold them everybody has got fruit bowl in front of the telly it could even encourage healthier habits for television watchers yeah yeah make them think of them of fruit yeah yeah make sure they do not eat the amount i mean yeah do we need them i mean like think of a fruit that could sit sort of independently on its own like i do not know an apple it is just apples sort of yellow apples though i quite like the design of that because that could sit on its own and it is quite got a quite steady base groovy and as we say we do not want to be too ridiculous with the fruit things yeah about the speech thing it does not have to be handheld of course they can set a distance yeah so i mean like you could actually yeah or we can we can do one thing we can just have a remote control and casings of different different shapes different fruit shapes in such a way that any casing can be could be fit into this mobile general piece so whatever people want like if somebody want it in banana shape we will put that casing onto that mobile phone okay it will look and yeah you said about disposable sorry you said about disposable people want disposable things so like if this is a like if this is a mobile phone we will design casing in such a way like half of we need not to have a full cover we will just have a half of cover okay if somebody wants it in banana shape we will fit banana shape casing onto that so it will give a banana shape look if somebody wanted in apple shape we will design that he will put we will put apple shape casing on that it will give apple shape look so in that way you can have any means whatever you want okay without yeah need the buttons in the same place yeah button will be on the upper side buttons will be on the upper side 0 that is the other side buttons will be on the upper side lower side we will just put the casing so half of that will be looked at the upper side so from lower you can it means while you are holding from this side you can you can have banana look or apple look whatever so in that way we need not to have different different shape mobiles everything we will just design casing fruit shape i think if you are going to have a fascia then you want to have it so that it does go over the buttons because i mean if you think about it if they are wanting it because they want to look at it if they are using it and what they want to look at it and what they want cat is facing away from them it does not really you know because that would be in the palm of their hand and you would not be able to see it unless you have sort of you have got the buttons option on one side and you have got the fascia on the other side with the microphone so you can place it face down and you have got the fascia and you can just talk at the mabie okay so so so you have narrowed it down to half a dozen options yeah i guess we decide on the material right so that is spongy latex rubber everything and the colors we got down yeah the shape maybe we will just make it kind of mix and match type of shape well because well i am not sure if we should go so far in the whole fruit thing because i think we should maybe just take the inspiration from the fruit okay so we stick with what we have got there yeah i think we are trying to get to 25 35 year olds want it quite trendy as well they said they want it something that looks fancy and i think maybe fruit could be a bit too much of a gimmick but something ergonomically shaped and organic like good to hold based on fruits and natural things like that okay because already we are going a bit gaudy with the yellow you know i mean we could make it a nice pale yellow well it is kind of got to be our company is yellow okay so again i mean like we could have i mean we could quite easily have the main body be a different yeah maybe we could have that pale yellow and then an outside bit bright yellow which you said the slogan kind of going round yeah because i mean even i mean not necessarily that the the whole body has to be of the company colors so you know blue and yellow tend to go to well well together well together so you have the main body blue with the yellow logo and slogan running up one side of it kind of thing huh sort of as for the energy source you know almost every remote control is just batteries but we do not have to be limited by that we can use a hand dynamo i do not know it is i think it is basically the more you move it it has got a wee thing inside that just kind of powers it yeah so this might be a dynamo yeah yeah like with those watches that you yeah it is quite cool it is not working i guess people is but but do you think that it will be a good idea to use dynamo these type of cells because then people have to like if this cell is out does leave them an obligation to yeah to especially if they want to use it yeah specifically as voice activated yeah because most of the people have to pick it up and then activate yeah yeah okay that is true right what are the other options there is solar power solar power will also not be a good idea because then they have to keep their mobiles outside in solar energy and the days when there is no solar sunlight i am with raj on that i think but we have got north facing house it is not yeah i think we should rechargeable battery will be a good idea they can i mean they can recharge it idea that i thought just on the basis of like ridding them of batteries and that kind of ballad and we are very environmentally friendly company having a rechargeable stand so that not only it doubles as a stand but for using it as recharging it but also for using it as sound recognition like like a hand like one of those portable phones yeah exactly so a rechargeable battery yeah okay the user interface the buttons i guess we talked about this right what is chip on print sorry never mind yeah the electronics basically the more features we add so the more features we add the fancier chips we need to buy and put in which adds to the cost as you can expect but i think we can keep it all under budget so yeah so the speech thing you said our technology our research and development department came up with some breakthrough so just in time if we are just having buttons and the speech then we are getting our cheapest option of chipping right right that is good 0 okay we are kind of i have just deleted that whole thing we are kind of running at time so if you could was that you you that was your bits covered off i just accidentally deleted what i was supposed to say next excuse me yeah so i am sure that thing yeah mine seems to have turned off i can not do anything i just touch the pad it is just dead to bed no it is actually shut down it is on but there is not okay now what we have our next meeting is in half an hour and what i would like you guys to do is work on giving me a model in clay 0 0 i get to do it too yeah cool yeah so you know i mean luckily we chose a nice simple shape yeah and further instructions will be sent by your personal coaches okay that is great save everything to the shared documents 0 yeah i hope i can recover this because of that is we deleted it which does not really help me much i think i have saved mine already yeah can you save that can you send that last one again please raj i still can not find it on there it was under different name i will show you in shared documents ok working components but you did not get that no i will send it ok thank you i will put it in share documents again yeah project document project documents sorry i put it in the chair documents all right that is actually that it goes there automatically if you put it in project documents project documents is on the desktop right that is great but i can not open that because it asked for some username or password 0 really yeah i will show you all right i think hold on good yeah i do not know if you it just came up on my agenda presumably there is clay somewhere yeah that is good yeah that is good oops light please light right there you go yeah thank you yeah quite we are using the sort of basic chipset so it is all good 0 sorry are we done with our meeting excuse me brian you have to keep your pen separate because i used your pen 0 oops sorry man okay still did not manage to get down all the last bits so we had rechargeable and 0 balls okay so we came up there it is okay supplements see cool fun i should have got some of that i should have sort of engineered it so we ended up making a difficult shape just for cruelty yeah starfruit i mean like literally make it sort of buttons and everything no should we leave well yeah we can do buttons we are going to discuss something no i think that is our discussion over unless anybody is going to do something over unless anybody has got questions confusions because i am confused we will probably get a question here in a minute it is a sorry thank you yeah yeah there we go warning finish meeting there i rounded up fucking fast where do we going my documents is not what i want my project documents there we go" ]

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summarized what you said to us so i do not think it is very interesting and go through it again repeat it yeah so alright this is what we decided it is also copy paste from what we made together so we still know that okay and then we can we can use the time better well next you 2 will present the pot prototype for us alright we both will yeah or one of us will alright no you go and i will alright if i make mistakes you will supplement you yeah correct right well this is our design it is pretty much like mike draw drew the in the during the last meeting with the different perspectives of it we will begin with the front we have of course the the round shape the round basic shape with the upper part being the front th so there is this part which is made of hard plastic the front and we are we are using different colors of course for the launch we use the basic ugly colors and later we will put out more interesting covers with different patterns and pictures and everything yeah but basically different colors bright colors not black too dark fancy colors then we have the lower part of the of the device which is of course part of the back actually because it is also titanium you can see it also on the on the on the side view that only this part is the front and the rest of it the under the under side of it yeah the back side and the lower part of the front is of course titanium made of titanium and has the titanium color of course the look then we have on back on the front the logo in the upper corner which is made which is also part of the back part of the titanium titanium part yeah it is a double r but yeah it is a double r it is a double r yeah the logo it is difficult to draw so small but it is our double r logo is in there but it is very difficult to to draw that in yeah yeah alright okay yeah so that is the logo in the upper lef right corner then we have the buttons it is difficult to draw again the little oval or round i think oval will be better for the for the d for the different channel buttons oval yeah alright so oval n those are here and then we have the m the m channel up and volume yeah the the con the the the yeah the t volume and the channel controls in the middle here with kind of arrow shapes which makes it also a bit more exciting than basic round or square buttons and also here are the 2 buttons we agreed on we have the okay button 0 nei we the okay button is here in the middle of the of the operators of the channel and volume changers yeah and then we have here the menu button and the alright menu for the l c d screen and the video button the yeah right so and of course this low part this is the l c d screen kay this is what we made of it you can make suggestions if you want well if i look at it the side the side view well at the back maybe we maybe we should finish 1st our talk and then you can add suggestions yeah 0 yeah alright maybe i i do not want to i do not want to suppress you but n i will finish this quick yeah okay i have had everything i guess on the front no the back with the logo and our l yeah the back yeah we thought about yeah the back is of course totally titanium and we thought about the logo big in the middle just so again the double r we have then the logo on front and on the back maybe that is too much but you have to say say that if you think that way okay no i do not think and the company slogan we thought in a kind of arc shape above the logo and the yeah yeah that is basically what we were thinking about and okay and about the side view w this the front will not be as thick but again th the the drawing technique makes it very difficult to to really well i see but 0 and before i forget well yeah the the voice of course the voice recorder is at the bottom yeah i see it yes and you can record it using yeah the the the back of the f w device when i look at when i look at this side view i think w when i have that in my hand it is terrible well it will not be visible if if you look if if this this is thick and this is thin th th then it that it lies over your hands why well it fits it it it it fits the hand mean the the the the but yeah yeah i agree well what what what i what i agree is that when when you have such of an arc in the middle so that the the a the ends and the fronts is a bit thicker so th then it falls over your hands if y if you handle a remote you you usually do not have your hand straight like this in the middle in the you you have it a bit yeah it depends on the size if it is kinda small this is is great but if it is it is larger then you want to grab it and how large is it yeah yeah that is the question that is the question well yeah h what do you suggest i mean we do this was mike is prototype and y you seemed to agreed on it well but now you have a totally different well the sides i have not seen yet well they lay there all the time the size yeah well the size does not really matter w i mean side they the the the the the side view we did not 0 the side w we we he drew the s the side but you d you were not paying attention as usual yeah yeah well any case we will discuss it now i think this is a pretty good good idea yeah i agree with the l c d screen you have it in your palm like this and you can watch watch the screen and if you have it li in the middle your hand might be over it yeah but you you hold it like this yeah you you do not you do not grab it you you you are not holding it like this or something you yeah y how do you call it yeah well y y y you do not have it like this you have it more like this no no no you you you are using buttons this way or if you are right handed this way like you are holding your telephone yep yeah so you yeah because if you have a screen on it you want to look at your screen so yeah well that way it it falls into your hand i think okay yeah i agree on this and maybe you can you can grab it a bit higher so well no i do not think so that is not the point no but but well the the well that is a reason to to to put the l c d screen of course on the upper side but well f for as far as i can see 3 of us agree and only nils yeah well i think if you t if you 3 agree then then that is it but you are the project manager you can make the hard decisions yes so i c i c well we will we we will do it like this if necessary but are d can you live with it yeah alright if you think that that is the way it should y yeah y y y y you said it was totally unusable no no when i i my personal taste is that i want it to fall over my hands with a thick but but do you but d you do not think this is completely unusable i guess in the market i think no not totally not totally well for me i i would not buy it let us say it like that yeah but of course y you are also human we have to take every everyone into account no and you might be you might be target customer so yeah well who who else thinks like you yes but we do not know maybe a 1000 people or a 1000000 people yeah we do not know but that is that is that is that is more market research so let it be like this at at this moment let it be alright okay so that is that any other suggestions no i think it is great yeah but what about the redesigning comes to that later okay you c you can walter you are very personal again alright you can do the evaluation criteria on this great that is more useful than just speaking well this is just a short intro i am going to do the ev evaluation yes that is going to be done at the end of 7 point skill criteria so i made a i made a few questions on the hand of the impor most important requirements and trends and we have to look if our if our device is working correctly well i put some questions in a word file see if i can find them kay well i think you have all seen this kind of evaluation so i do not have to explain it the 1st question is is the device good looking because normal p most people thought that earlier devices were ugly ugly 75% of them so what do we think well d we designed it so of course we are very yeah we are we are not quite objective about this yeah yeah no i know but i have to evaluate it well we designed it to be good looking so i have to take this questionnaire so and we ha we have answer now to the customers to potential customers who have to take this questionnaire yeah yeah yeah but i can not can s nei 0 no i know i know i know but well we can go because of the time pretty quick through this do we find it good looking well we think so i yeah i think it yeah yeah but you know we designed it to be good looking so yeah we dis we di we designed it to be perfect so but we have to be critic critical about it and i have to take all these points and get a average at the end so we we know where we stand well one cause th there are some things we might have bi might have forgotten well so it is 4 right so easy to find t well l well let us start with the beginning just one by one right is it good looking well i guess i think it is it is it is pointed towards the youth of course 2 if you look at the design and and the colors and everything that was our target audience of course but it is also not completely u unacceptable for older people i guess it is it is not f a device that the titanium might be f yeah that is that is for older people it is it is more that classical look for older people it you put put a black front on it or something so no i think yeah they like black of course but i think they will they they think the the titanium look of it is also i think it is also good for them so i think we both have consider considered the youth and also a bit older people so i think it is very good looking and not only for youth young people right i think we should not discuss any points points that long because i do not know how how many points there are but yeah right no i totally agree yeah the 14 yeah we we have to get get on go through this right a number please yeah is it easy to t change channels yeah well i think so so the last one is 7 easy to change channels no it is no not false it is one 0 sorry yeah right well 2 change channels y well we have to go through it i think it is as easy as can be made right so i yeah you how can you make it any easier the power channel and volume buttons are easy accessible with 2 huge buttons yeah huge is a yeah yep 2 2 alright the device is easy to find if you lose it well no d we d we do not we do not have that s we did not implement anything about that well it is easier to find than a a normal black one or something because of the color well 6 then but yeah yeah 6 right well we do not have the device that beeps when you lost it or so but are the functions easy to learn well w i we do want we have a l f f less of an we have so few functions so yeah yeah i agree and the device r s i sensitive well i should i think 2 because the voice recorder is n not self learning yeah ah yeah yeah yeah alright 2 yeah but just do some we we yeah yeah i agree i th i th i think this is too time consuming are we take too much time not not towards you but towards this all no th this is yeah right r r s i sensitive we you have to put it to the customers r s i sensitive well well a bit so 4 4 yes yeah very much one one and features included also one and one yeah those 9 is the fancy looking we still think so yeah device fancy feeling and i think fancy feeling too because of the titanium back yeah cool man yeah yeah right are there enough technology yeah well also we have 2 yeah yeah that is great is the device easy to use the yes we have not many buttons so well maybe 2 because of the voice recorder well with the 3 22 23 t are the trends about fruit and vegetables implemented f well in our covers in our fronts yeah so yes one yeah one or 2 one or 2 another 2 is the material attractive yeah nah f 4 i think 4 if you look at this well it does not really resemble any fruit that is true no but but we have the the the the the sparkly fruity colors of course 0 okay well 3 3 alright okay and you can also have front with with fruit on it yeah that is true is the material attractive but well the titanium is strong and the rest f the buttons feel soft yeah so i would say at least 2 right okay well yeah this is the last meeting yes but we we have to design much more because there was some irritating account manager coming to me the average will come later yeah i knew things were going too smoothly 0 there had to be some kind of trouble along the way yeah yes well look at the costs at this point my god i had to fit it in it has to go to 12 right i 125 125 so well what costs a lot the sample spea costs 4 the what the the sample speaker the s sensor out that is easy kick it out kick it out the what yeah we have to go to 125 the speaker the speaker costs far by far the most 0 yeah w tha that is that is a bit an optional option that is some wrong info man it it is not worth it no no no d th no we could make 2 different versions one with and one without it is but for this it is just extra kick it out so 0 yeah then we go to 146 what more well the titanium i do not want to lose actually batteries are quite no l c 3 yeah hand dynamo y t come on w a remote control has a battery no no no no n well we have a bit of a problem i think because well well why why why should we use a advanced chip well be for the l c d you had said the l c d screen yeah yeah can not we do that with a regular chip no why not because that y because my information says it well what what is the difference between simple and regular huh what is the difference between a simple and a regular chip yeah regular is normal yeah and simple well yeah i i read something about it but simple nothing elementary yeah i i read something about it but it was not very clear well your part i d i did not in include it in my report what happens if we do single well you have to use a chip so well you have to use the advanced chip if you have the l c d screen how much do we win we we we why one we have very little options furthermore for the but if you have a regular chip you can not have the l c d screen yeah well we have to put that in yeah we need to have the the l c d screen that that is a fact well we could say well this special color that is not that that is not there because the the fronts they will buy it no the special color yeah but no that is n it is not relevant yeah but it is only one half nah it d it does not yeah then you s then you only have one half left yeah you must change the chip back you must change the chip back nils yeah yeah but we d then we have to lose the l c d screen no then the whole concept is yeah i know but that is what my information says i di i did not put the advanced chip in there for fun you no we 0 you can make you can make it cheaper you have to use it but if you do not sell you you we have an advanced chip on print and we have an l c display yeah i think that is a bit double yeah y we do not need both no the advanced chip is needed to have an l c d display for the l c d screen yeah yeah says says his that was in the 2nd meeting i think well and what do they mean with curves again because we you have uncurved well i i did single curve to well you said s double curved he because i thought it is a b a bit cheaper already i yeah no no no no we can also make it flat well but what what did what do n sorry but what do they mean with the curves but is th is this a curve curved yes that is curved one curve yeah this is actually 2 curves yeah yes it is how you it is how you look at it no it is one curve one curve one curve simple well then we have a huge problem i think w t we can never get below the 125 we have a big financial problem well we make it more expensive to buy well then we have $2 less profit come on if we if we if we make this 50000000 they will not hesitate to congratulate us so if if you make people brand aware they are willing to pay more but but i because we we use a brand at the front and i dun at the back if you have lots of marketing people might buy yeah or we could replace it if you if you make it cool to have by the way we also have this one 0 that is just great 0 costs nothing 0 alright that is nice hey but i think you will agree that that we that now we have this screen plastic is it is it is very not practical to ha to consider this after we have designed the entire thing yes but i just got it well that is pretty l why why do not we replace the titanium with that is pretty stupid n not very practical plastic colored titanium titanium colored plastic well who you want to dump the titanium yeah well if we we we have to get cheaper and make all plastic then we ha then we are there but i am n i do not agree but then we we have got to run through the eval evaluation process again i think th then you have a ugly stupid l ugly looking dumb remote that that no one would buy ah no no it is not ugly looking the looks remain the same no i do not think so y well i do think so i think the titanium just provided the the tough look and the and the yes feel and the feel and th that it is strong and and also the the older people will like it because of that and because i alright it is not our target audience but it is it is useful if it is important for old people yeah i agree we still we had to focus to get more people from the younger group but not lose the one yeah i think the titanium is very important yeah alright but then we we will not get there yeah we have a problem yeah w but you can better yeah dump the l c d screen then we can dump the special color we l we use plastic and plastic is already in color i think i do not think you should dump the l c d screen well what else w i mean no nothing or you shou it is or change the titanium or dump the l c d screen amen but i think you could better change titanium to hard a hard kind of plastic looking like titanium than lose the l c d screen yeah yeah because you have lots of functions in it too yeah well yeah yeah alright why can not i i agree with that but so we u we use unfortunately i will put in the report we that we think that 14 one is the l m lowest price you can make a remote for that is trendy d these days titanium colored plastic yeah i agree so titanium colored plastic for the back i i will talk to the managers no no no no w titanium stays there titanium i thi i think this this is this is e really good re remote yeah this is good but it it is not good enough osl but so we have to use the ditch the titanium i am afraid ah those those account managers what do th d what do they know well come on what do we well what do we know riot all we want is a is a fancy design but we do not really consider the costs yes yes so no because we did not know anything about it if you do not have the money you can not make it yeah al alright yeah one5 but we have to deal with it now so s if you do not have the money you can not make it so so this is too expensive so so so we have to make it cheaper titanium gone and add plastic right yeah but then we have got money left and on plastic times 2 and then we are there well no it is just all plastic no well alright no yeah well 06 huh it is just free man a lot of plastic yeah 4 so no 2 for the to make it clear but then we can add the special color yeah as we have money over left yeah and we still have money left w what do we want guys i want gold plating yeah right no no i want chrome well i think the case is double curved then yes we have we have to fill because you y have that curve and you have that curve well th that that is the problem y 0 no w we ha no no no but th that is not f yeah well alright safe well y we have curves in all directions well you can you can double curve if you do not have titanium and that we dropped so it it can be done so alright but it is pretty funny we we do want to reach 125 but it is not bad to to to stay at 11 finance i mean this this aint titanium but it looks like it we get more salary if we make if cheaper than 12125 well guys yeah guys we have to dump our titanium and we will hate the managers for that but now we are going to evaluate our project of project project shoot objection pro project well satisfaction on for example are we satisfactory about our creativity well i can not get no satisfaction but i think it is well in in if we consider the costs then this is the best yeah yeah i think it is terrible that we got those costs at the last moment yeah yeah yeah me too that is really bad its it is ridiculous actually but but that that that is that yeah that is a reason but also for our creativity and unrealistic we had nice design and then you get the cost and you had to dump all your creativity well we we we used our creativity but we just had to adapt it to the costs right which is not very practical but that is the way nei yeah no well alright huh leadership next terrible teamwork leadership leadership well it is it was very democratic well yeah well i think so also yeah yeah i al i i have filled that in in a the questionnaires each time so well the managers were terrible yeah yeah so with their all their useless requirements but 0 alright the teamwork well they they did not think of the requirements it is the requirements of the user i guess no they said 0 we will not d we will not use teletext we will not use the d v d yeah yeah but they base that on on the user specifications alright teamwork well well great i think right yeah yeah think so too well what do you what did you think about the smartboard it was a complete disaster yeah i do not like it no it it it it is well no that is a smartboard and that is a digital pen yeah it is also a it is both the smartboards or not no it is other way around that is the smartboard that is the digital panel i liked this smartboard but i hated that one this this this is not a smartboard right well it is both a smartboard that is that is the smart yeah right b but you this is just a large t large television 0 they are both smartboards no you u you use the a televi yeah it is both a smartboard but this one is used for a desktop and that one is used to to draw yeah but you ca this is just a beamer function and here on this one you can draw the pictures and things like that well wi w which one did you like but yeah that one left or right that one that one is not accurate yeah it just does not work yeah you can but i i think this is meant by the digital pen yes th that is so yeah but i think there is a big distinction between the these th i do not need a smartboard well i did not use yeah we are now talking about the smartboards nei it it is much m well we we used that one and we needed it yeah but give me a beamer i think that is that is much much cheaper yeah alright but or install a laptop to a beamer or have this one standing here in an i i like it right yeah i like that one but that one is terrible okay alright but you can i i sent it about 3 times now a green board with chalk is much more useful than that thing yeah yeah yeah it is the simple sch school board so i agree and the digi the digital pen did did you like that one no i i did not use it i wrote things down but i did not import it into my laptop i used it just to check it out but yeah that is the you you can not send that to anyone because you you have scrabbled something on a page for yourself and then you are going to send it yeah yeah it is not practical right well no w but also y you write things down and i you can also bring your your your note block your notepad so what is the what is the th what is the point of importing it into yeah it is no it it is useless well i i drew this and i made a mistake but it it would have been useful if i i could show this on the screen yes yeah alright for drawings yes for drawings but not for personal notes yeah for drawings i think that is not very n notes i mean you can bring your paperwork along and p well of course if you have a lot of paper if you have if you have but yeah it might be useful for drawings i i agree on that but for notes it i you you have to put that in a strict you have to put a name standard date and all those things and notes for a meeting are very strict so if you were to write them down for yourself and then put that in your computer you still have to type it over to word yeah right so it does not d does not have any that stefan use yeah i understand but i think d this option is only useful if you have got a lot of paperwork you can not it is not very ni yeah well a lot of documents are yeah no i do not think so it is it is only useful if you have to draw something yeah but then it is really useful i think yeah yep alright mu yeah right etcetera well the laptops yeah great of course great yeah yeah can we keep them yeah you can b by my wireless wireless things thanks project manager yeah other things we used here i hated the cameras i hated the microphones well these chairs man but no well did you really really great did you really take take those in account i half of time i did not notice they were there no no i have not looked w one time directly at the camera so i do not care about it but we should not talk about that well i did because this is a realistic environment well w why not etcetera we n new ideas found right okay what kind of ideas for n a future schedule what for future meetings you have got well i missed the option to communicate in between to email yeah email or chat or something yeah right but yeah chatting and emailing w well th that is just the the environment they set us up f with yeah so yeah alright but that is one n new idea yeah i agree well new ideas found by this not nothing well more more information in the beginning we do not want this we hate this yeah that is digital pen is useless no it is not so yeah for drawings well for drawing for drawings yeah yeah so it is not useless but 2 t but th then you have to have a lot of drawings because if i had a company and i am going to buy those expensive huge expensive things i and i have to w well pay those papers that are expensive i am not going to for people who sketch th the whole day i can imagine that it is useful no yeah well th then still they they they should have a a nice graphics program on the laptop but it is still an expensive expensive because this is huge this v very very expensive paper well well you you can not you can not draw on a laptop like you like you paint of or draw with your hand yeah i agree with the mouse it is no but if w yeah yeah well and if mouse is ju just is not working if you are sketching indeed and but what if maybe this this board smartboard is malfunctioning or someone but suppose it was working correctly what would it be useful then if it was not off all the time well no i hated to draw like that a you you can not draw anything neat really yeah but he is saying if it is correct and you can draw very yeah very precise anything you want any b b yeah i if it if it would be perfect following l li li yeah well th th then still it is it is it is very expensive towards a a just a green school board well it is not but maybe that thing is is yeah mu yeah board a school board yeah yeah but but then you can save it in instantly and and and re use it and yeah yep i it has it is useful it saves time yeah yeah yeah this if it works correct maybe this thing this thing is just malfunctioning so if we get in if we get another one and you make sure it does work i think then it is pretty useful yep yeah because yeah you can draw t things quickly and clearly for anyone in the discussion room and then you can save it immediately well they are now celebration it is so congratulations crew did you type that celebration se well yeah we can go to the bar and with our newly earned money finally my beer well that is it i think yeah i do not know how long we still have i dunno how long we had for this last meeting but maybe till 40 clock or something well dunno yeah well yeah it is a bit well we still have to make the end report and all those things i have to do that yeah you better get started i di did you save this one in the folder 0 no can you do that no no no no no we must save this thing yeah in the shared map map but nils you have got some work left i do not know what you have to do map is it a good word the folder yeah huh i have to go to a physiotherapy yeah 0 it worked 2 times quick wow 0 alright cool so it is useful yeah yeah it is handy 0 great man no but this is nice i am going to buy one buy one for my bedroom radical yeah d design do you believe it yourself s 0 he saved them all 10 well alright well they they wanted everything we produced so they also want to see my cat and his rabbit and yeah my big bird well your big beautiful bird where is this maybe the pen is just broken and the board is not of or the other way around maybe you are broken yeah i think so too you know i think you have we have to make clear to her that we are ready i think she is listening i also think so who is she you are talking about she already knows 0 you mean our coach our f personal coach she big brother our manager is she also our accountant yeah is she responsible for sending that information so late i do not think so 0 close your laptop because then we have to confront her with our so she can see we are ready i feel watched alright yeah we put the fashion in electronics but we could not because of the costs let us take this remote into production yeah yeah that that is the title of our end document that that is our new slogan yeah i like that we could not put the fashion into the electronics blame our accountants do that yeah that is a nice title yeah but we could not yeah very catching 0 well i th yeah i am sure management would like that well she is on the move i am going to resign after this project anyway so 0 that is just great" ]

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[ "you got a tan from holliday they put some you got a tan you became brown on your holiday yeah yeah yeah you do not say you became brown well that is not as matter speak they put some stress i am just relaxing you are going to stress out now so i am going to because well they want me to do feas comfortable we have to do some extra design you will see you will see a 4th meeting we have to do what extra deciding what all right well we will see i will show you the notes again very interesting well you 2 will present us your prototype then i guess this is your bit i did not see anything about it anything about it so i already thought you were you would do that so then you were a task of them i will show you how we are going to do with financing this design that is important too and then we will evaluate after we have redesigned it is because well we will see about the costs we will evaluate our production and then we can close all right will do later so firstly i will show you the notes i do not think it is very interesting i think it is 0 nay i know all right this is copy paste so from me of course of course you have some very strange layout of us it is a nice course well we went to the agenda and well we had some presentations from u 3 and i summarized what you said to us so i do not think it is very interesting and go to it again repeat it yeah so this is what we decided it is also copy paste from what we made together so we still know that and then we can use it the time better well next you 2 will present the prototype for us all right we both will yeah or one of us well well you go in all right if i make mistakes you will right well this is our design it is pretty much like my draw drew during the last meeting we have the different perspectives of it we will begin with the front we have of course the round shape the round basic shape with the upper part being the front so there is this part and which is made of hard plastic the front and we are using different colors of course for the launch we use the basic ugly colors and later we will put out more interesting covers with different patterns and pictures and everything but basically different colors bright colors not black too dark fancy color then we have the lower part of the device which is of course part of the back actually because it is also titanium you can see it also on the side view that only this part is the front and the rest of it the underside of it the back side and the lower part of the front is of course titanium made of titanium and has the titanium color of course the look then we have on the back on the front the logo in the upper corner which is made which is also part of the back part of the titanium yeah it is a double r yeah it is a double r it is a double r yeah the logo it is very difficult to draw so small but it is our double r the logo is in there so that is the logo in the upper left right corner and we have the buttons it is difficult to draw again the little oval or round i think oval will be better for the for the for the different channel buttons so they are all oval those are here and then we have the the channel up and volume yeah the the volume and the channel controls in the middle here with kind of arrow shapes which makes it also a bit more exciting than basic round or square buttons and then also here are the 2 buttons we agreed on we have the ok button 0 no the ok buttons here in the middle of the operators of the channel and volume changers and then we have here the menu button and the all right menu for the video button screen right so yeah and of course this lower part this is the lcd screen okay this is what we made of it you can make suggestions if you want if i look at it the site the side view maybe we should finish 1st our talk and then you can add suggestions all right yeah i do not want to yeah i do not want to suppress you but i will finish this quick goa okay i have had everything i guess 0 the back with the back yeah we thought about yeah the back is of course totally titanium and we thought about the low logo big in the middle so again the double r we have then the logo on front and on the back maybe that is too much but you have to say it if you think that way and the company slogan we saw it in a kind of arc shape above the logo that is basically what we were thinking about and about the side view the front will not be as thick but well i see again the drawing technique makes it very difficult to 0 and before i forget the voice of course the voice recorder is at the bottom yes you can record it using yeah the backup when i look at this side view i think when i have that in my hand it is terrible if you look if this this is thick and this is well it lies over your hand but it fits the hand you mean the what what i agree is that when you have such an arc in the middle so that the end and the front is a bit thicker so then it falls over your hands if you handle a remote you usually do not have your hand straight like this in the middle you have it a bit it depends on the size if it is kind of small this is great but if it is larger then you want to grab it and how large is it yeah that is the question that is the question well yeah what do you suggest that this was mike is prototype and you seem to agree on it but now you have a totally differently well the site i have not seen yet the size yeah well the site does not really matter the side the side he drew the side but you did not pay attention as you were well any case we will discuss it now i think this is a pretty good idea yeah i agree with the lcd screen the lcd screen you have it in your palm like this and you can watch the screen and if you have it like in the middle your hand might be over it but you you hold it like this yeah you are not holding it like this or not you grab it you yeah how do you call again well you you you do not have it like this you have more like this without you you are using buttons this way or like you are right handed tell us one so you yeah because if you have a screen on it you want to look at your screen yeah well it falls into your hand i think okay yeah i agree on it and maybe you can grab it a bit higher so well no i do not think so that is not the point well that is the reason to put the lcd screen of course on the upper side well as far as i can see 3 of us agree and yeah well i think if you 3 agreed then you 3 you know you you 3 agreed then you then that is it you are the project manager you can make the hard decision yes so i can you live for it we will do it like this all right if you think that that is the way you should you said it was totally unusable but do you no when i my personal taste is that i wanted to fall over my hands with a thick but you do not think this is completely unusable i guess i think no not totally not totally well for me i would not buy it of course you are also you win we have to no we will take everyone into account you might be a target customer who else thinks like you we do not know maybe a 1000 people or many people that is more market research so let it be like this at this moment all right okay so that is that any other suggestions no i think it is great but what about the redesigning comes to that later you you can do it wow you are very personal you can do the evaluation criteria on this all right great that is more useful than just speaking well this is just a short intro i am going to do the evaluation this is going to be done at the end of 7 point skill criteria so i made a few questions on the hand of the most important requirements and trends and we have to look if our device is working correctly well i put some questions in a word file see if i can find them well i think you have all seen this kind of a word i think you have all seen this kind of evaluation so i do not have to explain it the 1st question is is the device good looking because most people thought that earlier devices were ugly ugly 75% of them so what do we think well we designed it so of course we are very we are not quite objective about this no i know but we designed it to be good i have to evaluate it so i have to take this questionnaire so we have to answer now to the potential customers who have to take this yeah but i can not no no i know i know no but well we can go because of the time pretty quick through this do we find a good looking well we think so i think you know you are looking to we designed it to be perfect so but we have to be critic about it and i have to take all these points and get an average at the end so we know where we stand one because there are some things we might have might have forgotten well so it is 4 right so let us start with the beginning just one right is it good looking well i guess i think it is it is it is pointed towards the youth of course if you look at the design and the colors and everything i mean that was our target audience of course but it is also not completely unacceptable for older people i guess it is not a device the titanium might be for older people yeah that is for all the people it is more that classical look if you put a black front on it or something no i think yeah they like black of course but i think they will they think the titanium look of it is also i think it is also good for them so i think we both have considered considered the youth and also a bit other people so i think it is very good looking and not only for youth young people i think we should not discuss any point that long right no how many points they are but yeah a 40 right a number have to get get on go is it easy to change channels yeah well i think so so the last one is 7 easy to change channels now not false it is 10 sorry yeah right well 2 change channels well we have to go to this one i think it is as easy as it can be made right so i yeah how can you make it any easier the power channel and volume buttons are easy accessible yeah you choose it yeah 2 2 right the device is easy to find if you lose it well no we did not implement anything about it we do not have it is easier to find than a normal black one or something because it is the color well 6 then 6 but we do not have the device that beeps when you love it at all functions easy to learn well we do because we have a few functions yes i agree and the device are is sensitive well i think too because the voice recorded is self learning yeah yeah all right 2 yeah but just do stuff yeah are we take too much time i think this is too time consuming not towards you not towards this all this is just you have to put this to the customers arec s sensitive well a bit so 4 4 yes yeah very much one one and features included also one and those 9 is the fancy looking we still think so yeah device fancy feeling too because of the titanium back are there enough technology yeah well also we have 2 yeah that is great is a device easy to use yes we have not many buttons so yeah maybe 2 the voice record yeah free are the trends about fruit and vegetables implement well in our coffee their fronts so yes 11 or 2 is the material attractive for i think if you look at this well it does not really resemble any fruit that is but we have the the the sparking fruit colors of course and you can also have a front with yeah that is true with fruit attractive well the titanium is strong and the rest the buttons feel soft so i would say at least 2 right okay this is the last meeting yes but we have to design much more because there was some irritating account manager coming to me i knew things were going too smoothly there had to be some kind of trouble along the way yes well look at the costs at this point my god i had to fill it in it has to go to 12 right 12 and a half 12 and a half so well what costs a lot the sample speaker costs 4 the what the sample speaker 0 the sensor that is easy kick it out kick it out the speaker the speaker costs by far the most yeah that is a bit an optional option it is not worth it no no we could make 2 different versions one with and one what out but for this it is just extra kick it out so 0 yeah then we go to 146 what more well the titanium i do not want to lose actually no so lc 3 yeah hand dynamo come on the remote control has a battery well we have a bit of a problem i think well why should we use an advanced chip well before the lcd screen yeah can we do it with a regular chip no why not because that you know because what is the difference between simple and regular huh what is the difference between the simple and a regular chip yeah and simple simple well yeah i read something about it but elementary well thais yeah i read something about it but it was not very clear i did not include it in my report what happens if we do single well you have to use a chip so well you have to use the advanced one if you have the lcd screen we have very little options further more but if you have a regular chip you can not have the lcd screen well we have to put that we need to have that is that is a fact we could say well this special color that is not there because the the fronds they will buy it the special color yeah but it is only one half it does not not relevant yeah you must change then you only have one half left you must change the chip back yeah but then we have to lose the lcd screen no then the whole concept is yeah i know but that is what my information is there i did not put the advanced chip in there for fun you can make a cheaper but if you do not sell yeah we have an advanced chip on print and we have an lc display i think that is a bit double no we do not need both the advanced chip is needed to have have an acd display yeah says his there was in the 2nd meeting i think well and what do they mean with curves again because we have uncurbed well i did single curve well you said double curved he yeah because i thought it is a bit cheaper already we can also make it flat no no no what do they mean with the curves is this curve is this a curve one curve no this is actually 2 curves it is how you look at it one curve one curve simple but then we have a huge problem i think we can never get below the we have a big financial problem we make it more expensive to buy well then we have $2 less profit come on if we make this $50000000 they will not hesitate to congratulate us if i make people brand aware they are willing to pay more but because we use a brand at the front and at the back you have lots of marketing people might buy if you make it cool to have by the way we also have this 10 that is just great 0 cost nothing 0 that is nice all right i think you will agree that that we that now we have this screen it is very not practical to have to consider this after we have designed the entire yes but i just got it well that is pretty why do not we replace the titanium with plastic collar titanium who titanium colored plastic you want to jump the titanium yeah well if we have to get cheaper and make all plastic then we have it then we are there but i do not agree i do not agree but then we have got to run to the evaluation process again ugly looking dumb remotes that no one would buy it is not ugly looking the looks remain the same no i do not think so i think the titanium just provided the tough look and the and the feel and that it is strong and also the older people will like it because of that because all right it is not our target audience but it is useful if it is we had to focus to get more people from the younger group but not lose the one i think that titanium is very important yeah all right but then we yeah we have a problem yeah but you can better yeah dump the lcd screen you can dump the special color we use plastic plastic is already in color i do not think you should dump the lcd screen well what else nothing or you should or change the titanium or dump the lcd screen but i think you could better change james titanium to a hard kind of plastic looking like titanium then lose the lcd screen because you have lots of functions in it too yeah well yeah all right i agree with that so we use unfortunately i will put in the report titanium colored plastic it is the lowest price you can make and remote for it that is trendy these days so titanium colored plastic for the back i will talk to the managers no no no no titanium stays there titanium i think this is really good yeah this is good but it is not enough so we have to use the ditch the titanium i am afraid ah those account managers what do they know come on riot well what do we know all we want is a fancy design but we do not really consider it cost no because we did not know anything about it if you do not have the money you can not make it we have to deal with it now if you do not have the money you can not make it so this is too expensive so we have to make it cheaper titanium gone and add plastic right yeah but then we have got money left and then we are there well no it is just all plastic no yeah well it costs nothing a lot of plastic it is just free man poor so to make it clear but then we can add the special color yeah we have money over left and we still have money left what do we want guys i want gold plating no right i do not crow well i think the case is double curved yes we have we have to 0 no all right no no no but that is safe we have we have we have we have well you can double curve if you do not have titanium and that we dropped so it can be done all right but it is pretty funny we do want to reach 125 it is not bad to stay at 11 it is not titanium but it looks like it we get more saturday if we make cheaper than 12 we have to dump our titanium and we will hate the managers for that but now we are going to evaluate our project of a project project well satisfaction for example are we satisfactory about our creativity well i can get no satisfaction but i think it is well if we consider the cost then this is the best i think it is terrible that we got those costs at the last moment yeah me too that is really bad that is ridiculous actually and unrealistic but also for creativity we had a nice design and then you get the cost and you had to dump all your creativity we use our creativity which we just had to adapt it to the cause which is not very practical but yeah that is the way no well all right leadership next teamwork leadership well it was very democratic yeah well i think so also i fill that in the questionnaires each time so yeah well the managers were terrible so with their all the useless requirements but all right they did not think of the requirements it is the requirements it is the requirements of the user i guess now they said 0 we will not we will not use teletext we will not use the dvd but they base that on the user specifications all right teamwork well great i think yeah i think too well what do you think about the smart board it was a complete disaster yeah i would like it that is a smart board yeah and that is the digital pen it is also it is all the way around that is a smart board i like this smart boards but i hated that one this is not a smart board well it is both a smart board that is a smart board yeah right but you this is just a large television you used it is both a smart board but this one is used for a desktop and that one is used to draw this is just the bemer function and here on this one you can draw pictures and things like that well which one did you like left or right that one that one is accurate it just does not work i think this is meant by the digital pen yes that is so i think there is a big distinction between these i do not need a sparkboard no it is much we use that one yeah we need it give me a beamer that is much cheaper install a laptop to a beamer or have this one standing here in an i like it right i like that one with that one is but you can i said it about 3 times now a green board with chalk is much more useful than that yeah it is the simple school board and the digital pen did you like that one no i did not use it i wrote things down but i did not i used it just to check it out but you can send that to anyone because you scribble something on a page for yourself and then you are going to send it yeah well no and then also you write things now and you can also bring your your note block so what is the what is the point of importing it all i i drew this you know and i made a mistake but it would have been useful if i could show this on the screen yeah all right for drawings but not for personal notes right i think that is not very notes i mean you can bring your paperwork along but well of course if you have a lot of people drawing if you agree on that if you for notes it is you have to put that in a strict you have to put the names then the date and all those things notes for a meeting are very strict so if you would write them down for yourself and then put that in your computer you still have to type it over to words so it does not have any it does definitely use i understand but i think this option is only useful if you have got a lot of paperwork it is not very no i do not think so a lot of documents are it is only useful if you have to draw something but then it is really useful i think yeah yeah all right et cetera well the laptops yeah of course great can we keep them yeah you can but by my wireless yeah other things we used here i hated the cameras i hated the microphones well this chairs man did you really really great did you really take take those in account and no half of time i did not notice they were there i have not looked one time directly at the camera and i do not care about it but we should not talk about that because well why not et cetera there stands right new ideas found what kind of ideas for future schedule with for future meetings you have got i missed the option to communicate to email email that is just the environment they set us up with so alright but that is one new idea yeah i agree well new ideas found by this not nothing well we do not want this we hate this digital pen is useless no it is not well for drawings for drawings so it is not useless but then you have to have a lot of drawings because if i had a company and i am going to to buy those expensive huge expensive things and i have to pay those papers that are expensive i am not going to for people who sketch the old day i can imagine that it is useful but it is still an expensive they should have a nice graphics program on the laptop because this is huge very expensive paper like you paint or draw with your hand yeah i agree but if yeah yeah yeah well if you just is not working if you are sketching but what if maybe this board smart board is malfunctioning or someone but suppose it was working correctly would it be useful then if it was not off all the time no i hate it to draw like that you can not draw anything neat yeah but he is saying if it is correct and you can draw anything you want yeah yeah if it would be perfect following yeah yeah well it does not but maybe that thing is it is very expensive towards a just a green yeah a board school board but then you can save it in instantly yeah and yeah yeah yeah if it works greg maybe this thing this thing is just malfunctioning so if we get an if you get another one and you make sure it does work i think then it is pretty useful for yeah because yeah you can draw things quickly and clearly for anyone in the discussion room and then you can save it immediately well they are now celebration it is so did you type congratulations crew well we can go to the bar and finally maybe money money well that is it i think i do not know how long we still have i do not know how long we had for this last meeting maybe till 40 clock or something well i do know well yeah it is a bit well we still have to make the end report and all those things i have to do that yeah you better get started did you save this one in the folder can you do that no we must save this thing yeah in the shared map but niels you have got some work left i do not know what you have to do the good word the folder yeah i have to go to physiotherapy 0 it worked 2 times quick so it is useful yeah 0 great man this is nice radical i am going to conquer with some of the game design do you believe it yourself 0 he saved them all 10 well all right they wanted everything we produce they also want to see my cat and his rabbit well my big bird you are a big beautiful bird where is this movie maybe the pen is just broken and the board is not or the other way around them maybe you are broken yeah i think so too i think you have to make clear to her that we are willing i think she is listening i also she always knows she was talking about 0 you mean our big brother coach our personal coach our manager is she also our accountant is she responsible for sending that information so late i do not think so 0 because then we have to confront her with our so she can see we are ready i feel watched all right we put the fashion in electronics but we could not because of the costs that is our news that is our new i like that we could not put the fashion into the electronic blame our accountant do that yeah that is a nice title yeah but we could very catching i am sure management would like that well i am going to resign after this project anyway so that is just great" ]

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[ "all set okay cool right so basically i am just going to go over real quickly some news i have just got from the board on how we are supposed to do with this remote control and then i am going to turn over to you guys to make brief presentations on what you have found and then we will have a bit of discussion so basically what i have just found out from the board i dunno if you guys got this email as well but it needs to be television only so no we are not doing d v d we are not doing anything else it is just going to be a television remote okay it also needs to have the company colors included in it so that is red and black and it has to have the slogan case you guys forget the slogan it is we put fashion in electronics and no teletext i am not sure what teletext is but i am assuming you guys do so we do not want to include that in this particular design for reasons that i do not really know there is but it is the board so there you go so basically given those guidelines which will have some effect on how we design we will discuss it later i mean cause it is television only we will be able to change our well we can s sacrifice more function for a better television remote anyway so i am going to turn over to the industrial designer to go ahead and make a presentation on okay so do i unplug this bit here got to plug you in 0 right yeah yep might have to hit function f 8 but it looks like it is going to come up yep cool okay right that is page one of my presentation brilliant very nice for your 1st powerpoint it is lovely so the method we are going to have to understand how remote controls work and res successfully complete this project remote control works as follows this is all pretty basic stuff you guys sends message to another system so there is an energy source involved in that like a battery or solar power something along those lines there is an integrated circuit which is the microchip and that actually compose the messages and usually the way a a remote control works is it sends infrared bits to another system a user interface controls the chip basically that is the casing and the buttons and accordingly the messages as well so my findings i just did a preliminary study here and i found that too much metal in remote design could potentially cause interference with the ability of the remote to send commands and too much metal can cause remotes to behave unexpectedly by receiving false signals too much metal is used sometimes and people pick up radio signals and the like and there is also the possibility of the remote catching on fire and injuring the customer just think of those lawsuits that would be really bad therefore i suggest primarily plastic construction kay components just some ideas that i had energy source it is kinda hip to be eco friendly so i thought maybe we could do something with solar power with an alkaline battery backup the user interface i was since we can not use metal i was thinking maybe a high grade recycled plastic the chip silicon based chip i do not really see any way around that we can not really be different in that respect the sender well i am thinking infrared cause it is the industry standard multi channel that is a word i made up i do not really know what it means kay pal and n t s c compatible and probably a 200 foot range fair enough kay and the receiver of course is any number of electronic devices but in this case it will only be t v s personal preferences i really think that we should use plastic as opposed to metal the company simply can not afford this kinds of lawsuits which adm admittedly is going to come at the cost of a certain esthetic value cause we were thinking fine is is there a way that we can use modern types of polymers or mo modern types of plastics that maybe do have some kind of esthetic value like if a white like if we talk about like well like on the lapt on these laptops and other ones they use a a pretty nice right it needs yeah you can do i is there some kind of nice colo der quality plastic that we can work with yeah that should not be a problem for example the plastic they have on your laptop there is something that is perfectly possible for us to do okay okay that is the end of my presentation cool great thank you very much nathan if next we can have the user interface developer go ahead and make a brief presentation that would be great as well s plug yourself in here hit function f 8 real quickly hold down looks like you are in okay is it plugged in well there it goes computer adjusting th there you go there you go sweet well so here we have a my technical functions design presentation so a few of the requirements we need here we n basically need to operate an electronic device it needs to be universal and possibly operate several different types of devices although we now find that that that is no problem yeah sorry i could not get that g to use before so some of my findings basically want to send messages to a television set that would be any number of different things such as switch on the television switch to the next channel that sort of thing i think we are all quite quite intelligent and know know what a normal remote control does now some of the other things i found is a a complicated remote control sorry that we can not quite see my red there very well but this remote control has many functions so it can do a lot of things but it it is quite complicated and most users will find it find that they will not use most of the functions because they do not know how to use them and do not want to take the time to learn how to do it 0 yeah look at that as you also notice it is quite a boring design another remote control slightly different it is a simpler remote control many less buttons but has many fewer functions m much easier for the user to manipulate and use it also has a bit of a cheap look and it is also quite boring so my personal preferences nice revolutionize the idea of a remote control so attain the functionality of a complicated device but use a simple formatted display for the user to to work with and i was going to add another slide here but i did not quite have time there okay just incorporating some of the ideas that we had previously like having multiple face but it is great thanks for that ron right kay yep that is you does that mean i am up i think so okay i can plug you in 0 that would be perfect thank you slide show up and running or not give it a little bit 0 there we go perfect okay so this is me basically i was looking through some marketing reports that we have got and we had a usability test where we were actually sort like watching a 100 people use t v remotes and see what it is that they are using and then they filled out a questionnaire about what they like and what they do not about their general t v remote control practices pretty much through testing we were finding out that most of the time everybody is used to using changing the channel turning it on using the volume m the majority of the time that is all that is going on the other functions happen for some people they are important but the primary uses are really really basic and so big complicated remotes like one we saw in the last presentation are really not the general public is use they are not using a lot of it they do not need it they even find it frustrating when there are all those buttons that they do not know what to do with and we also found out that 50% of our people their the worst thing about a remote is how often they lose it and then they can not find it in the room so i think what we were talking about with a pager or something will really come into play with a lot of these people there is also a survey about what they liked about remotes and pretty much they all think they are hideous and not very useful and the younger demographics are all really interested in voice recognition options i do not know if that is something we are ready to look into technically that is up to the design people but it is s something worth thinking about especially since the younger demographic is obviously the one that is going to keep growing so if that is the direction we are headed in it is something to think about but basically it really is the primary functions and getting it to look nice which are the standards so it is a good start for us that is great thank you sarah right need to unplug this so yep i will just switch that back here need it back i will finish up with just a bit of discussion plan on for the next phase there you go right so i think we have covered most of these important questions through this through you guys is presentations we have got y the industrial designer suggests or pretty much emphatically suggested that we need to go with plastic sarah she is recommended that we go for simpler functions so fewer functions but we need to decide who are we selling this to you s your stats suggested that 75% of people under 35 wanted thought about voice control 0 right so do we want to go for that or do we want to go for an older demographic and my thought is we have got w if we are going to go for a sleek look i mean we are putting the fashion in electronics we are not catering to the pensioners of the world i do not think so yes so maybe this we should look into this younger demographic right so we need to wonder ah h about how we make it better and smaller and faster think we are constrained to plastics very well we have got this idea ron was saying we need to think about revolutionizing the way it is looking right which might be easier given that we are going for simpler function and that we are only going for a telly so how th this voice operation thing is i think is a good idea assuming that it is doable at least for the basic controls maybe we can balance it that way you know we can see right okay you can not say record alias tonight at 7 p m but we might be able to say volume up yeah right i think it would be possible to combine the locator device and the voice recognition technology 0 that could work i like that with a simple command like locate yeah and then it could start to beep and something very basic right right therefore be found sounds good is that only going to be within our 200 foot range then 0 yeah i think that is very doable okay the difficulty wh would be in i think like i you could not speak into the remote that you are trying to find kay you have something that picks up a voice from far away yeah it is a good point if it is hidden under the couch but then again you have this wee this wee thing you know that is just a little chip or whatever that has the page button maybe that could be voice activated too a little sticky pad to stick on top of your television and you just say something to into that and it yeah yeah yeah finds your k or an isolated magnet or something like or you know something that would not interfere i do not know that would be the technical thing but yeah i like that yeah i like that the voice recognition for the paging system the other thing is we might be able to handle the simplicity of a remote control and kind of put the more complicated things into a voice control so it could be sold to both the younger market and the older market true and the younger market could use kind of the voi voice control method and the older market might might k exactly and might consider the older market could use the simpler design with the traditional buttons and what not making it just an option yeah right yeah i was thinking are we still thinking about this screen sorry 0 go ahead go ahead the if we are going to do this touch pad screen thing it would be still do we know if that is an option technically right now to that is definitely an option technically okay i have looked into costs of touch screen methods and what not okay they seem to be you know almost as cheap as a button method at this point we are doing okay cause it seems like an interesting option especially because then you could have like your primary screen just be these you know 4 or 5 basic functions okay you can have menu options or something to have all these other complicated voice recognition settings yeah things that you are not going to use every day and that a lot of people are not going to use but it is an option there for this hi tech market that sort of re is the sleek thing we are going for got to wonder though if we are adding so much technology to this one remote are we still going to be able to meet out 12 pou our €1250 you know goal for selling these things true worth looking into it seems like we are not going to be able to handle all these functions with just one microchip yeah the microchip is probably the most expensive part of the the whole mechanism true okay yeah so it is just something to consider okay absolutely kay well yeah i guess we will cross that bridge in a la slightly later stages of development but yeah i know that is perfectly viable question kay so i am seeing that we are going to just basically focus on this young demographic group aim it at them but then in a sense that its bells and whistles are available for anybody who wants them but basically we will make a sleek simple functioned remote control i think this voice recognition thing is a we have got a market for it i do not think there is too many we would more or less be cornering the market on it as well we do not have many yeah i appear to have lost my microphone right we do not have many people or there is not very many competitors out there that do that so cool right i guess we have c we have touched on most of this the idea of a paging function a touch screen and face plates the thing with i see would there not be a we would have to maybe sacrifice the face plates for a touch screen i am not sure that is sincerely correct i think if you kind of take the example of a mobile phone that trying to pass a portion of the device is not interchangeable whereas the surrounding portions are interchangeable okay okay just the casing we could have the casing the the face plates okay back to the the cost the material we have to ask whether we are going to include a certain number of face plates with the package that is something i w for say we are including 3 or 4 face plates it is going to drive the cost up and the other question is if we do include them are we really in a position to evaluate that market yeah we have not done any tests on face plates and whether right see if there if there is even interest out there okay okay right off the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that would not really go anywhere yeah cause then ha you would have to who all it is not like with cell phones like where you have a you know nokia model x and then 10 people make face plates for it we would be just our model of pho of t remote control right yeah well in the publicity of a face plate on a phone is you have it out and around it is sort of emblematic whereas you are just sit at home so unless somebody comes over to watch t v yeah well hopefully some people have people coming t over to w to hang out at your house and most people have their televisions in the living room true true true alright well we can we can discuss that one further when we think about whether th when we do costs and so forth yeah 0 yeah sure true if plastic is dead cheap and if we are making the whole thing out of plastic anyway yeah we will cross that bridge later but yeah we will have to evaluate what is most important i think we have had a bit of discussion already on this thing n s there any other questions comments that came up in these presentations well have we confirmed that we are going to go ahead with a touch screen yeah yeah okay interface yeah i think that would be best let us based on what sh on what you guys have all said to me let us go for a plastic built or b plastic cased cause tha tha that is easy on the cost try to look for some kind of high quality recycled plastic as you recommended and i think that is a great idea with a touch screen for the basic functions and we will yeah tha let us provisionally let us go for a touch screen one with several submenus for possible extra stuff that one basically put the channel and the on and off switch on the touch screen do we have wait a minute it occurs to me that if we have a touch screen people are going to have to recharge their remote controls yet at the same time that might help for this whole complaint of it being lost true cause it would have a docking base but then again that costs as well yeah so these new lithium batteries they last 20 years even with the touch screen do they those new ones okay can we afford that can we afford to include one of those and will somebody buy it if we do not well i i do not think yeah i can not see anybody buying a lap a remote control that they have to plug in so we would have to see some kind of new battery technology right okay so let us go with a touch screen with some kind of you know with with some kind of cutting edge battery technology for €12 yeah well hey you know well it is it is worth looking into if not we can always default to just doing a a well presented plastic simple you know so you know it is fair enough the basics well yeah i mean you can put the we could i i dunno i mean i suppose we could put the the basics on the center easiest you know you know people know the channel and volume function make them large and easy to get at and then the the other the other bits and bobs you know go through menu w we will do the esthetics okay so we will touch screen and the battery focus on presentation kay it is th with this voice recognition option as well just as for the simple functions the the on off channels volume right and a small paging function even if you can not do voice recognition for the paging you know just some kind of simple button that is just a i guess another infrared signal to the remote control and while to emit some kind of paging just a beep okay right so any comments thoughts before we break into go into the next round of individual work on this since we are doing touch screen do we want to look into the possibility of people being able to input different types of skins for the you know the actual interface part of it and things like that or is it just going to be one touch screen for everybody be interesting what what would be on that touch screen cause you said earlier that we have to think about company colors and and 0 logo or something or motto i can not remember exactly what you said yeah the the fashion do we put fashion into electronics yeah w it is my understanding that if you were going to do a skin you would need to have some way for people to download or import skins into the remote control right and then you are dealing with ports and cords and yeah i think perhaps good idea but yeah i think that that one m might just be is too much yeah and they just yeah i think that one might just be out of the range for this particular a p d a would they would makes a lot of sense for a p d a cause you are going to be using it to connect up to things anyway but for now i dunno what do you guys think think we just need to come up with a nice black and red interface on the touch screen yeah nice that would be okay yeah i i am i am in agreement with that i am wondering how we are going to get we put fashion into electronics onto this device well but if we are going to use a touch screen where it is going to come on like on your cell phone it will have your your carrier provider name come up 1st like while it is loading and then it goes away perhaps it could be like a temporary comes on every time you turn it on and then that is it cause it is a bit much to have it like engraved on the back or something i think yeah true i am hoping for a subliminal maybe half a millisecond as it turns on yeah yeah y yeah yeah i know i d it seems like it would suffice to have just the r r on there yeah you would think jus but but apparently not if it comes from above people are not going to want their remote to boot up and to see flashing things come on so they just want it to be on and ready to go yeah yeah well fair enough and yeah that would help the battery life too and if it the remote they do have to press a button for the remote to turn on but then again who wants to turn on a remote control well all you have to do is touch the screen and it automatically goes on kind of if i 0 to wake up okay or go into like a dormant mode yep goes into a sleep mode okay 0 yeah i like that i like the idea of putting the logo in the boot up screen nice cool so any last things before we break alright fair enough we are good sounds good i am going to save th a copy of this in case you guys need any reminders i am going to save a copy of this and the minutes that i will do it in a 2nd and put them in the shared folder for later reference i have put my files in the shared folder as well brilliant yeah that is fab guys cool" ]

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[ "all set okay cool right so basically i am just going to go over real quickly some news i have just got from the board on how we are supposed to do with this remote control and then i am going to turn it over to you guys to make brief presentations on what you found and then we will have a bit of discussion so basically i have just found out from the board i do not know if you guys got this email as well but it needs to be television only so we are not doing dvd we are not doing anything else it is just going to be a television remote it also needs to have the company colors included in it so that is red and black and it has to have the slogan in case you guys forget the slogan it is we put fashion and electronics and no teletext i am not sure what teletext is but i am assuming you guys do so we do not want to include that in this particular design for reasons that i do not really know but it is the board so there you go so basically given those guidelines which will have some effect on how we design we will discuss it later i mean because it is television only we will be able to change our well we can sacrifice more function for a better television remote anyway so i am going to turn it over to the industrial designer to go ahead and make a presentation okay okay so do i implode you in this bit here yep okay okay might have to hit function fape but it looks like it is going to come up yep cool okay right that is page one of my presentation very nice pre 1st powerpoint it is lovely so the method we are going to have to understand how remote controls work in order to successfully complete this project remote control works as follows it is all pretty basic stuff for you guys it sends a message to another system so there is an energy source involved in that like a battery or solar power something along those lines there is an integrated circuit which is the microchip and that actually composed the messages and usually the way a remote control works is it sends infrared bits to another system user interface controls the chip basically that is the casing and the buttons and accordingly the messages as well so my findings i just did a preliminary study here and i found that too much metal and remote design can potentially cause interference with the ability of the remote to send commands and too much metal can cause remote to behave unexpectedly by receiving false signals too much metal is used sometimes people pick up radio signals and the like and there is also the possibility of the remote catching on fire and injuring the customer just think of those lawsuits that would be really bad therefore i suggest primarily plastic construction components just some ideas that i had energy source it is kind of hip to be eco friendly so i thought maybe we could do something with solar power with an alkaline battery backup the user interface since we can not use metal i was thinking maybe a high grade recycled plastic the chip silicon based chip i do not really see any way around that we can not really be different in that respect the sender well i am thinking infrared because it is the industry standard multi channel that is a word i made up i do not really know what it means pal and ntsc compatible and probably a 200 foot range and the receiver of course is any number of electronic devices but in this case only be tvs personal preferences i really think that we should use plastic as opposed to metal the company simply can not afford this kinds of lawsuits which admittedly is going to come at the cost of a certain esthetic value because we were thinking is there a way that we can use modern types of polymers or modern types of plastics that maybe do have some kind of esthetic value like if we talk about like on these laptops and the other ones to use a pretty nice you can do is there some kind of nice color there in quality plastic that we can work with yeah that should not be a problem for example the plastic they have on your laptop there is something that is perfectly possible for us to do okay cool great i will see into my presentation thank you very much nathan if next we can have the user interface developer go ahead and make a brief presentation that would be great as well just plug yourself in here hit function f 8 real quickly hold down okay okay is it plugged in well there it goes there it goes there you go computer adjusting there you go sweet well so here we have my technical function design presentation so a few of the requirements we need here we basically need to operate an electronic device it needs to be universal and possibly operate several different types of devices although we now find that yeah sorry i could not get that to use before that is no problem so some of my findings basically want to send messages to a television set that would be any number of different things such as switch on the television such as the next channel that sort of thing i think we are all quite intelligent and know what a normal remote control does now some of the other things i have found is a complicated remote control i am sorry that we can not quite see my red there very well that this remote control has many functions so it can do a lot of things but it is quite complicated and most users will find it to find that they will not use most of the functions because they do not know how to use them and do not want to take the time to learn how to do it as you also notice is quite a boring design another remote control slightly different it is a simple remote control many less buttons but has many fewer functions much easier for the user to manipulate and use it also has a bit of a cheap look and is also quite boring so my personal purpose is revolutionized the idea of a remote control so attain the functionality of the complicated device but use a simple format of display for the user to work with i was going to add another slide here but i did not quite have time there okay just incorporating some of the ideas that we had previously like having multiple face plates and whatnot great thanks for that ron yep that is you i think so okay i can plug you in 0 that would be perfect thank you slide to happen or not give it a little bit okay so this is me okay so this is me basically i was looking through some marketing reports that we have got we had a usability test where we were actually sort of like watching 100 people use tv remotes and see what it is that they are using and then they filled out a questionnaire about what they like and what they do not about their general tv remote tv remote control practices pretty much through testing we were finding out that most of the time everybody is just using changing the channel turning it on using the volume the majority of the time that is all that is going on the other functions happen for some people they are important but the primary uses are really really basic and so big complicated remotes like one we saw in the last presentation are really not the general public is use they are not using a lot of it they do not need it they even find it frustrating when there are all those buttons they do not know what to do with and we also found out that 50% of our people the worst thing about a remote is how often they lose it and then they can not find it in the room so i think what we were talking about with a pager or something will really come into play with a lot of these people there is also a survey about what they liked about remotes and pretty much they all think they are hideous and not very useful and the younger demographics are all really interested in voice recognition options i do not know if that is something we are ready to look into technically that is up to the design people but it is something we are thinking about especially since the younger demographic is obviously the one that is going to keep growing so if that is the direction we are headed in it is something to think about but basically it really is the primary functions and getting it to look nice which are the standards so it is a good start for us that is great thank you sarah right so yeah i will just switch that back here i will finish up with just a bit of discussion plan on for the next phase right so i think we have covered most of these important questions through you guys through you guys presentations we have got the industrial designer suggests or pretty much emphatically suggested that we need to go with plastic sarah she is recommended that we go for simpler functions so fewer functions but we need to decide who are we selling this to your stat suggested that 75% of people under 35 want to have thought about voice control so do we want to go for that or do we want to go for an older demographic and my thought is we have got if we are going to go for a sleek look i mean we are putting the fashion in electronics we are not catering to the pensioners of the world i do not think so maybe this we should look into this younger demographic so we need to wonder how we can make it better and smaller and faster we are constrained to plastics very well we have got this idea ron was saying we need to think about revolutionizing the way it is looking which might be easier given that we are going for simpler function and that we are only going for tele so this voice operation thing i think is a good idea assuming that it is doable at least for the basic controls maybe we can balance it that way you know we can see okay you can not say record alias tonight at 7 but we might be able to say volume up yeah right i think it would be possible to combine the locator device and the voice recognition technology 0 that could work i like that with a simple command like locate yeah something very basic it could start to be right before be found is that only going to be within our 200 foot range then 0 yeah i think that is very doable the difficulty would be in i think like you could not speak into the remote that you are trying to find can you have something that picks up a voice from far away it is a good point it is hidden under the couch but then again you have this wee thing you know it is just a little chip or whatever that has the page button maybe that could be voice activated too a little sticky pad to stick on top of your television and you just say something to that and it finds your or an isolated magnet or something like you know something that would not interfere i do not know the technical thing but yeah i like that i like that the voice recognition for the paging system the other thing is we might be able to handle the simplicity of a remote control and kind of put the more complicated things into a voice control so it could be sold to both the younger market the older market the younger market could use kind of the voice control method the older market might they get it just an option exactly i might consider the older market could use this simpler design with the traditional buttons and whatnot i was thinking about the screen sorry 0 go ahead if we are going to do this touchpad screen thing do we know if that is an option technically right now definitely an option technically i have looked into costs of touchscreen methods and whatnot they seem to be almost as cheap as a button method at this point because it seems like an interesting option especially because then you could have your primary screen just be these you know 4 or 5 basic functions you can have menu options or something to have all these other complicated voice recognition settings things that you can you are not going to use every day and that a lot of people are not going to use but it is an option there for this high tech market that sort of is the sleek thing we are going for i have got to wonder though if we are adding so much technology to this one remote are we still going to be able to meet a €1250 goal for selling these things it seems like you are not going to be able to handle all those functions with just one microchip the microchip is probably the most expensive part of the whole mechanism yeah it is just something to consider absolutely okay well yeah i guess we will cross that bridge in a slightly later stages of development but yeah i know that is a perfectly viable question okay so i am seeing that we are going to just basically focus on this young demographic aim it at them but then in a sense that it is bells and whistles are available for anybody who wants them but basically we will make a sleek simple functioned remote control i think this voice recognition thing is we have got a market for it i do not think there is too many we would more or less be cornering the market on it as well we do not have many yeah i appear to have lost my microphone we do not have many people there is not very many competitors out there that do that so cool right i guess we have touched on most of this the idea of a paging function a touchscreen and faceplates the thing with i see would there not be a we would have to maybe sacrifice the face plates for a touchscreen i am not sure that is sincerely correct i think if you kind of take the example of a mobile phone that kind of has a portion of the device is not interchangeable whereas the surrounding questions are interchangeable ok we could have the casing ok back to the cost the material we have to ask whether we are going to include a certain number of face plates with the package that is something that we are saying we are including 3 or 4 face plates this can drive the cost up and the other questions if we do not include them are we really in a position to evaluate that market we have not done any tests on face plates and whether right see if there is even interest out there okay at the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that would not really go anywhere yeah because then we would have to who all it is not like with cell phones like where you have a you know a nokia model x and then 10 people make face plates for it yeah it just are a model of remote control well and the publicity of a face plate on a phone is you have it out and around it is sort of emblematic whereas you are just sitting at home so unless somebody comes over to watch tv yeah well hopefully some people have you coming over to hang out of trust and most people have their televisions in the living room all right well we can we can discuss that one further when we think about whether when we do costs and so forth true plastic is dead cheap and if we are making the whole thing out of plastic anyway yeah we will cross that bridge later but yeah we will have to evaluate what is most important i think we have had a bit of discussion already on these things do you do any other questions comments that came up in these presentations well have we confirmed that we are going to go ahead with a touchscreen yeah yeah okay yeah i think that would be best based on what you guys have all said to me let us go for a plastic case because that is easy on the cost try to look for some kind of high quality recycled plastic as you recommended that is a great idea with a touchscreen for the basic functions and we will yeah provisionally let us go for a touchscreen one with several submenus for possible extra stuff that one basically put the channel and the on and off switch on the touchscreen do we have wait a minute it occurs to me that if we have a touchscreen people are going to have to recharge their remote controls yet at the same time that might help for this whole complaint of it being lost because it would have a docking base then again that costs as well those new lifting batteries the last 20 years even with the touchscreen do they those new ones can we afford to include one of those and will somebody buy it if we do not i do not think yeah i can not see anybody buying a remote control that we have to plug in so we would have to see some kind of new battery technology okay so let us go with a touchscreen with some kind of with some cutting edge battery technology for 12 year olds yeah well hey you know it is worth looking into if not we can always default to just doing a well presented plastic simple you know well yeah i mean you can put the i do not know i mean i suppose we could put the basics on the center easiest you know you know people know the channel and volume function make them large and easy to get at and then the other the other bits and bobs you know go through menu we will do the esthetics okay so look for the test screen and the battery focus on presentation with this voice recognition option as well just for the simple functions the on off the on off channels volume and a small paging function even if you can not do voice recognition for the paging you know just some kind of simple button that is just i guess another infrared signal to the remote control and well to admit some kind of paging just a peep right so any comments thoughts before we break into going to the next round of individual work on this since we are doing touch screen do we want to look into the possibility of people being able to input different types of skins for the actual interface part of it and things like that or is it just going to be one touchscreen for everybody interesting what would be on that touch screen because you said earlier that we have to think about company colors and logo or something a motto i can not remember exactly what you said we put fashion into electronics yeah it is my understanding that if you were going to do a skin you would need to have some way for people to download or import skins into the remote control yeah i think perhaps it is too much too much good idea but yeah i think that that one might just be out of the range for this particular a pda would it makes a lot of sense for a pda because you are going to be using it to connect up to things anyway but i do not know what do you guys think i think we just need to come up with a nice black and red interface on the touchscreen yeah i would be okay i am in agreement with that i am wondering how we are going to get we put bash into electronic well but if we are going to use a touchscreen where it is going to come on like on your cell phone it will have your carrier provider name come up 1st while it is loading and then it goes away perhaps it can be like a temporary comes on every time you turn it on and then that is it because it is a bit much to have it like engraved on the back or stuff true i am hoping for subliminal maybe half a millisecond as it turns yeah yeah no it seems like it would suffice to just have the rr on there yeah you would think but but apparently not people are going to want their remote to boot up and to see flashing things come on i just want it to be on and ready to go well fair enough and yeah that would help the battery life too and if the remote they do have to press a button for the remote to turn on then again who wants to turn on a remote control well all you have to do is touch the screen and it automatically 0 it will wake up okay i will go into a back of a dorm remote okay all right yeah i like that i like the idea of putting the logo in the boot up screen nice cool so any last things before you break all right fair enough sounds good i am going to save the copy of this in case you guys need reminders i am going to save a copy of this and the minutes that i will do in a 2nd and put them in the shared folder for a later reference okay put my files in the shared folder brilliant that is fab guys cool" ]

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[ "okay we all all set right well this is the final detailed design meeting we are going to discuss the look and feel design the user interface design and we are going to evaluate the product and the end result of this meeting has to be a decision on the details of this remote control like absolute final decision and then i am going to have to specify the final design in the final report so just from from last time to recap we said we were going to have a snowman shaped remote control with no l c d display no need for talk back it was hopefully going to be kinetic power and battery with rubber buttons maybe backlighting the buttons with some internal l e d s to shine through the casing hopefully a jog dial and incorporating the slogan somewhere as well anything i have missed no okay so if you want to present your prototype go ahead 0 this is it ninja homer made in japan there are a few changes we have made well look at the expense sheet okay and it turned to be quite a lot expensive to have open up and have lots of buttons and stuff inside so instead we have this is going to be an l c d screen just a a very very basic one very small with access to the menu through the the scroll wheel and confirm button kay apart from that it is just pretty much the same as we discussed last time and there is not d it does not open up to the advanced functions so the advanced functions are still hidden from you but they are hidden in the sense that they are not in use where are they they are in the l c d panel and the jog dial ah right okay cause great so w what kind of thing is going to be the l c d panel just displays functionally what you are doing if you are using an advanced function right like c brightness contrast whatever it will just say you know it is like it only has 4 columns right okay it is a very simple l c d like whereas many the minimum amount we need that the user will automatically know like this is brightness or this is contrast right right kay okay cool it might even be one a bit more complex l c d panel with pictures like maybe the sun or the okay you know the the symbols of the various functions and what is this here 0 right okay cool that is a number pad okay so the number pad is kay great where are we going to have the slogan they are al along this yeah you know just like right inside there okay cool you have this space here and then you have this thing on the side as well or at the bottom okay cause slogans are usually quite small right they are not like huge so they are s yep say a button is about say a button is about this size right so you would still have plenty of space for a slogan say even for that okay looks good yep so if this is not to scale what kind of dimensions are you thinking about here well we want the other buttons to be big enough to push easily with a finger so we reckon maybe that will be about the same size as the palm of your hand okay yep so that would be about a centimeter for a button so 123 4 centimeters plus maybe half 05 about 9 in total 678 about yeah 9 total 678910 so we are talking about 10 centimeters that sounds good yeah that would be good yep so 10 centimeters in height 910 yep okay that would be good in fact a pen is about 10 centimeters usually so that would be that sounds like a really good size if you see it there yeah that is great and it is very bright as well so okay is it possible i am just going to bring up the idea of colors is these are these the colors that of production or is this just what we had available well i am we are going to have again the the sort of the foggy yellow from last time that lit up when you pushed the button right okay so just could you just list all the things that it does s so i can write them in the report but this button because it is red it is sort of very prominent we are going to use it as it can be the power button if you hold it for maybe 2 seconds it will send a stand by signal excuse me apart from that it is going to be used as a confirm button for the l c d screen and you use this as a jog dial sure okay okay so that is like an okay button right 0 we have discussed how h high it is but how wide is it i do not know okay how high is it no as in the height but what about the width yeah did not put 5 centimeters 00 like depth of the actual thing do we need 5 i do not think 5 is be about th 35 okay something by there 0 is this k to get an idea of scale from your from your thing there okay yeah yeah sure so you can power on and off what else can you do 35 you can skip straight to a channel using these buttons okay were going to have the volume control here but because we have got the the l c d and the jog dial we just thought we would use that as the volume okay jog dial for volume and what else do you do with the jog dial you can use it for more advanced functions like contrast color and contrast brightness yeah and anything else yeah just whatever else we wanted to include as the advanced functions we did not actually go through and specify the well of the designers what are they what can a t v do okay things like brightness contrast maybe tuning the channels huh okay channel tuning that is a good one what else the various inputs are you having a v c r are you having you know which input do you have okay auxiliary inputs probably color or sharpness yep color sharpness sharpness a lot of these things will have to be free and open for users to define them okay what about sound settings d can you change any of those at all audio audio we have like your basic y your base your mid range your high range the the balance yep left right balance maybe even pre programmed sound modes like the user could determine like a series of sound modes okay and then what could happen would be when you click on that then it would go to that setting okay is there anything else at all it can do kay yeah that cause that is that is fine just need to know so i can write it down okay right i g i guess that is it so we can now we can now have a little look at the the excel sheet and price listing and see if we need to if we need to rethink anything at all so for this 1st part here power wise have we got battery the battery do we have kinetic as well no no okay just battery we need an and that is because of cost restraints is it yep yeah okay what about the electronics here yeah advanced chip we need an advanced chip i think yep advanced chip let me just confirm that yes i think so yep okay the case what does it mean by single and double do you know i think single would just be sort of one sort of oval whereas double is this sort of thing so we want double curved yeah yep okay plastic is there any rubber at all in the buttons or any i think we are going to have to skip the rubber okay and we wanted special colors did not we yep so i will have to put that 0 no wait we ho how many colors have we got there for the case itself one color it is one special color just one color okay cause the case unit itself the rest of our components go on top of it okay so interface wise is it this 3rd option we have the 2 of them there yes one and the l c display okay and then buttons we have what 2 colors how many we have got some push buttons as well or even clear we have got push buttons as well like 0 wait so push button and integrated scroll wheel push okay kay so i reckon we have got one button for this thing cause it is just one big sheet of rubber huh i am not sure if that counts but okay okay let us just be safe and put like say 4 buttons for that one okay okay and maybe a special color for the buttons so maybe 4 again 4 you can see we are we are all very far beyond the so w why are we arriving at the number 4 where does the number 4 come from cause that is one button by its the complexity of 12 buttons okay right so we are writing down 4 so we are just estimating that yeah it would be less okay how about these are we wanting them in no they are just is everything going to be plastic no yep yep okay so we are w w quite far over now we are going to something is going to have to go we are at 168 and how how are we going to achieve this high end product if well we h something has to go to the tune of 2 point t €3 we only have very sparse so let me see what are we i mean 0 yes sorry 43 23 43 no my maths is all out well we could take out ones by making it single curved just fill in those bits yeah and then where is the how much would that save us how much would that save us that will only save you one that is one one the other thing could be that you could take away the l c d panel and the advanced chip together because when you do something on the t v the t v responds and reacts as well so the user could be looking at the t v and pushing his thing so we may not need to so when we scroll we need just some way to get the t v to respond that is fair enough yeah okay so which i think is a technically doable thing so so w what is our reviewed suggestion take away the l c display yep and the advanced chip goes away as well to be replaced with a regular chip regular chip yep okay so what that means is that and so we have got 3 to get rid of and we ha where are the 4 the 4 push buttons are where exactly now the 12 buttons that you see there 12 buttons that is one piece of rubber but it is going to have 12 button things underneath so yeah functionally you are going to have to intercept so 4 is a good estimate for do you think yeah so you can not actually cut it is like 3 times the number of buttons 4812 like is is that one big button or is it 12 buttons how can it be something in between it it needs to be more than one big button because if you open up your phone underneath there is actually one button underneath it is just that the panel itself is a single panel okay well we have 3 to get rid of somewhere we just report that it has to be over budget or the colors you could take away s colors for th for the buttons no can do yeah we could just go with yeah w normal colored buttons well do you want color differentiation here no that is not the button we are talking about 0 yeah sorry yeah then that is the buttons only refer to the pad so right so should we take that off ah hey it is back to the original that is it so then these just become normal colored buttons so that might be some some way of cutting the cost okay ach that is a shame right so take away that completely ah and now we are under budget so we do have 5 to play with if we wanted so i reckon how about with embossing the logo is not that going to cost us some money does not say so yeah that is a freebie reckon that probably counts as a special form for the buttons yeah yeah that is a good idea just one does that mean that one button has a special form or i think there is just one button so handy yeah okay well well there we go so i am just going to have to redraw this now so we are not going to have the l c d anymore and we will just going to have an on t on the t v it will show you what you are doing which i think is fair enough and so this is going to be one big thing here was the goal in your in your prototype design that it be as low profile as possible what do you mean by profile yeah sort of flat as possible no you see i envision it as being quite deep sort of deep enough to be comfy to hold in your hands rather than being wide and flat yeah yeah that is what i was thinking to sure okay we did not have enough play doh to make it 3 d yeah alright yeah fair enough okay just thought i would ask so there is one more dimension to the thing which we need to to add and you might want to add in the report length width and height right okay yeah so just to well to be thorough then width wise we are looking at about what 3 centimeters or something yeah okay and then so height wise how how tall do you envisage it being about that big yeah it works yeah 2 about 2 centimeters okay 2 is not very high at all though maybe a bit higher this is about this is about 2 slightly more than 2 so yeah see about that thick okay maybe closer to 3 even or 25 ach that is yeah okay okay we will s we will say 25 okay so we have it within cost anyway so yeah project evaluation is this point right okay so can we close that this is what it is the final spec that it is going to be someone is going to have to yeah that is fine that is fine it is probably just i dunno if it is worth getting into but just in in that we want this to be stylish should we think a little bit more out of the box in terms of a button grid because i have seen there is lots of devices out there that that instead of taking your standard 99 square grid and they have it sort of stylized or in different concept that that i think that is something that is very hard to catch so you you restrict the number of people who want to try something yeah sure okay the the look and the color is something which is cool yeah alright but i think that there is also that factor of if it is too unfamiliar then because when you put it on the shelf okay sure what about button shape square buttons yeah button shape might be a good idea to change rather than rather than positioning okay yeah cause i think positioning is we are kinda engrained into the the telephone kind of sure yeah yeah okay pad right so at this point we let me see discuss how satisfied we all are with with these 4 points with the room for creativity in the project and leadership and teamwork and the stuff we had around us i guess kay let me see do you want me to d do you want me to do my design evaluation last yeah i was not really sure what that was maybe we should do the design evaluation 1st or yeah yeah go for that 1st evaluation i was not entirely sure what who was supposed to be doing that but y you go for it okay sure alright so the way this works i am going to need to plug into powerpoint i will try and do it as quick as possible okay okay this is i will just go over your head if that is okay yeah i do not think you need the power so what is that no that is okay that is okay i do not need the powerpoint no the power cord itself 0 course yeah that is true yeah so then you have a bit more freedom to let me get that a bit more okay so what this is is a set up for us to use a kind of a like a you you still have your blue fingers is it you killed a monster the idea is that i have set up i have reviewed all of the the points of discussion from the beginning and used that as a criteria of evaluation for the for the current design th or the plan and so we can review that i think it is going to end up being sort of elementary because we are sort we are in n we are not going to probably use it to change anything but does not seem like it is going does it 0 there it is yeah okay great and i am going to write up our results on the board so this will be a way for us to go through and decide if we are sort of review where we stand with it okay so so to sort of b bring together 2 things sort of design goals and also the market research that we had when we rate this one is v high in in succeeding or fitting to our original aim and 7 is low okay kay so these i these i th are the and we have been asked to to collectively rate this so what we can do is try and just y work on a consensus system so we just come to an agreement okay okay so the 1st one stylish look and feel i rate that pretty highly well yeah i mean compared to most remote controls you see that is pretty good yeah yeah i dunno like a 6 or something yeah yeah me my only reservation with it was that we basically went with yellow because it is the company is color what does anybody else think and i do not know if yellow is going to really be a hit but okay i am seeing 5 then what do you guys think i would say 5 or 6 okay david yep i am fine with that okay let us go with 5 then okay fi 0 just actually the opposite it is one to 7 right the so it meant 3 okay 0 yes sorry then then i would say 2 or 3 wait what is the scale one to 7 right one is high ish is not it yeah yeah one is high ah okay so yeah 2 or 3 kay okay it is upside down let us go with 25 then okay control high tech innovation well it has the wee jog dial but we had to remove yeah so we have had to remove a few of our features we wanted but jog dial is good i would go with 3 or 4 maybe 3 say it is more 83 medium but going towards a little bit higher than medium kind of thing okay 3 yeah about 3 okay yep okay style reflects a fruit inspired color design i should not have said color but just lemon well that is kind of okay the blue the blue colors and do not re do not actually represent the color yeah sorta except for the b the the red button they because for want of a yeah okay but the yellow i mean it could be a lemon yellow color could not it right yeah could be yeah yeah the the yellow is more representative of the color but the button itself the blue can be anything else okay yeah okay so we will go 2 yeah okay and design is simple to use simple in features well yeah i mean it is really basic looking is not it f f yeah f fairly basic you guys think i mean i would give that nearly a one yeah one yep that is fine yeah one okay soft and spongy have we achieved that we have used mostly plastic in the end so it is going to be quite a bit of a compromise for price yeah i think it is about 5 5 5 yeah well we have to use plastic so it is probably going to be that is really low well yeah i suppose kay that is yeah company logo could we have used an entirely rubber frame to it was that an option i think i would probably increase the cost i think it will be cost prohibitive yeah we have only got like what ¢10 left so it would cost more than plastic okay logo we have got it in there have not we yep yep going to have that on the side are not we like there or something huh and it is within budget yep it is is not it yeah okay so we can say then that out of a possible or what would be our goal here out of 49 i guess yeah out of 49 with with 0 being the highest we are at 27810155 is pretty good so it is pretty good translates to something like about approximately 72% efficacy of our original goal right yeah i think cause if you turn that into a 100 it would be about twice that about 31 about 31 and then invert that it is so yeah ab well yeah about 6970% yeah 0 right about 70 yeah 70% it is pretty good okay good that was just a little formality for us to go through okay yep £0 pen sorry alright nobody saw it honestly no the cameras did is that you all have all finished or yeah that is that is me i did have one other one other frame i thought i mean i i d not knowing how we would deal with this information i thought okay in theory this kind of a process would be about refining our design revisiting our original goals huh it is not something i need to p push through but i thought should we thinking more about the dimensions sort of like more of a 3 dimensional shapes as well as opposed to just that flat could our design involve a series of colors so that it is more of like a line where we have like sort of the yep i do not know like the harvest line or the vibrant i dunno the whatever just some theme and then we have different tones lime green lemon okay it is just discussion i mean obviously we can just abandon this it is fine i am just thinking about what we originally set out to do yep so there right that is all okay great are you submitting the the evaluation criteria or am i i do not know what your instructions have been i think to record it and i have not been asked to submit it yet yeah okay just wondering if i need to include it in the minutes because if you are submitting it anyway then okay great i will yeah it keeps getting too big cool right well next up then because we have done finance is the project evaluation kay i am i am listening i am just trying to incorporate the logo into the the thing so i am playing with the play doh as well 0 right okay just in case you are wondering why is he still playing with the play doh huh just about right l e g 0 lego my leg right okay well do you want to just individually say what you think about about these 4 points and or not those 4 points my 4 points sorry forgotten that you got a different yep i like those printer cables that just have the 2 little butterfly clips like that 0 yeah they are good are not they yeah it is really quick right okay yeah here we are to use as a note we will do this alphabetically do you want to start andrew sure so what is it you are asking of me now i do not know just your opinion on those 4 those 4 points really and how we used them or sort of our work on setting this up yeah yeah well is it okay i will just go through your system then the the room is fairly institutional but the main thing is i think our use of this space is more just to report on things as opposed to be creative and constructive and it would probably help to have l sort of a cumulative effect of we have ideas and we come back and then the ideas are still in discussion you know as in other words this this room is sort of a center point of creativity huh whereas in reality as we have gone through this it is not really the center point of creativity it is more just a well d do you feel though that that you were able to have quite a lot of creative input into the thing d debating yeah yeah but that is just the thing is the quest in terms of the the 1st point there the room it feels as though the creativity goes on when we leave and then we come here and then we kind of put out our ideas and then you know but i do not i do not think it means the room as in this room i think it means like you know 00 right right 0 right okay room for creativ 0 right i just looked up and saw okay whiteboard digital pens the room yeah room 0 yeah no of course yeah well i dunno do you th i think it means i think it means did you feel you were able to give creative input so sorry huh yeah yeah i th okay on th yeah dif answering the question in those terms i would say that actually there is sort of a tease of creativity because we are asked to work through this but actually the guidelines are fairly contrived in terms of okay fashion trends say fruit and vegetable color scheme but then i then we are told okay use the co company company colors so what do we do we are told okay think in terms of style and look and feel and technology but build something for £125 okay so actually the creativity was more more of like a a f sort of a f formality then an actual you feel like you are caged within whatever y it is like a balloon in a cage it can only go so big and not hit the side okay yeah within the constraints the yeah yeah yeah the constraints do come in very fast okay do you know what actually let us take each and everybody discuss it i think so yeah yeah so still on the topic of room for creativity next up is craig i agree with his point it is it is quite a lot of fun t to go and then you have sort of hit the end then go right got to cut everything out cause we do not have enough money yeah yeah yep i think another point is that the meetings are more brainstorming sessions than meetings so time is also a very s strong factor and structure yeah yeah yeah because for a brainstorming meeting you want a structure that allows you to allows ideas to get tossed to be evaluated and to be reviewed and to get feedback and come back yeah yeah and i guess that point about the room not being r very friendly to that i think that is a very big thing yeah and i think the fact that we are wearing these things restricts i feel it cause i wear m my glasses yeah sure yeah right and that but that irritates me right it it it does actually you know affect how w whether you feel comfortable to communicate yeah new creativity i feel like i am hiding behind the equipment rather than the equipment is helping me and you know yep right so you think a more relaxed atmosphere would be more kind of conducive to creative thought or not not so much an atmosphere the atmosphere is very relaxed but the the gear yeah you know that creates boundaries to that and and the time the time given also restricts yeah but actual environment okay okay very good what about leadership i do not know if that means like if i did a good job or something i do not really know yeah well well i mean my sense on that is sort of what kind of guidance and direction encouragement from like your personal coach person and stuff like that do you think maybe yeah from and you as well i think just sort of acting as team leader okay yeah i think i think it is i think it is good excuse me i mean my personal views on on leadership is that effective effective leadership sort of gives people a certain room for freedom and delegation but then to come back with something that they take great ownership and you know innovative thought with in in reality i think here the the different elements of leadership such as the the original b briefing and then the personal coach and the and then you know having having you with your the meeting agenda is actually quite a quite a quite a con confining framework to work within and so it is leadership almost to the point of sort of disempowering the the the team member so huh okay but it is not bad leadership it is just sort of s fairly strong you know it turns it turns the individual into more of like a sort of a predetermined mechanism as opposed to a sort of a free so you think maybe a little too controlling or yeah 0 yeah without without a doubt i think controlling is not the right word i think the interactions are very structured yeah maybe not co confining i think structure is probably what you are saying that each individual is structured to one particular task and one parti rather than controlling yeah yeah yeah okay i do not think there is a sense of control cause all the decisions have been made in terms of a like a consensus right we go around and we think about it but that you know process actually says you have to do it in a certain way huh okay it does not tell you you know some ways that you might want to be a bit more creative in terms of the process you know not the yeah okay what about teamwork did you want to comment craig reckon that was a bit hard because we could only discuss things in the meeting yeah yeah if we could just go up to somebody outside the meeting and have a quick talk with them that would have been a lot easier yeah okay fully agree i think you tried to use the common share folder to to to to communicate but it just comes back to us so slow in the email it it does not have a you know a messenger will go yeah did did you guys get the email i sent you yeah not just yet yeah 0 that is alright yeah got the email i was wondering if that got there okay okay okay so to s to to summarize the teamwork issue saying that if we could communicate outside the meeting you know just like quick questions quick thoughts whatever it probably would be bit easier yeah yeah in it i think the tools that they were given the tool set that were given to us are fancy but they do not support collaboration i think that is the word exactly they do not support the team working together you know they are still very individual tools 0 right okay yeah i mean if you yeah i mean sort of taking upon that idea w the way i see this i is that it is the the s the structure in which we have we have approached this whole task is quite contrary to the p principle of teamwork because the the tasks were d d sort of divided and then the work went on in isolation i i do not know what you guys did while you were together maybe that was a bit different but yeah but but actually if you if you imagine not entire the completely same task given to us but us said okay we had play doh fun 1st thing we have to do is come up with let us say a design concept and we sit here together and do it well that is what teamwork is yeah to s to say okay go off and do not talk to each other it is actually p sort of predisposes you to quite the contrary of teamwork yeah okay not that we have not done i think the best we could have done okay i am not dissatisfied with it right anything else to say on teamwork at all no not really okay what about the you know how we used the whiteboard the digital pens the projector stuff like that did anybody think anything was like really useful anything was pretty un f unsupportive i think the whiteboard for me is the kind of thing i would use all the time but it is not quite as useful as to us as it could have been maybe just in the way that we we use it in the sense that once we have an idea out there or while work was going on in between meetings that could have been up on a board you know as opposed to in like in text and then we could then keep our ideas sort of building on that i know that people who design cars and you know in aviation they quite often just have a simple like fiberglass prototype and it is completely you know abs abstract from the final product but they use it as a kind of a context to sort of walk around and puzzle and and and discuss and and and in a way everybody is as we discuss things in the in theoretically and out of our notebooks yeah and point at yeah we are just we are actually just each of us discussing something that is in each of our own minds it was not until we had this here you know yeah like at one point i peeked across and looked at craig is paper and i am like now i know what he is thinking cause i saw his book ah but the b the b whiteboard could have actually been this kind of continuing so do you think producing a prototype earlier in the process would have been a good idea think could be yeah i think the the focus of it a lot was the powerpoint as opposed to the to the whiteboard yeah yeah yeah and i think that m is also does you know hinder us and things i think yeah yeah yeah it will be cooler to have the whiteboard rather than the the powerpoint or maybe the whiteboard and the powerpoint in the same place you know in the center of the yeah yeah yeah okay yeah because the powerpoint was provided to us while we had time to prepare whereas i can imagine if i had been encouraged to use paintbrush for example or whatever i would have actually used it ca you know alright just cause that is sorta how we what we were set up to to use while we had our time okay i think that there were too many powerpoints in the meetings yeah cause the plug in and the plugging spent we spent a lot of time doing that yeah yeah and a lot of the information on the powerpoints i do not think you know we needed to actually it could have yeah no not quite we could have gone through it verbally especially my slides i felt that they just you know as opposed to having to present them yeah yeah okay yeah what about the digital pens did you find them easy enough to use yep clunky sure yeah 0 they are a bit clunky agreed yeah yeah yep clunky okay having to tick it before you go off was a bit hindering as well cause you are half way through a thought and then you run out of paper and then you have to jump yeah i know i think at the very start of today i like wrote a whole load of stuff yeah did not click note on one then went back and wrote one tiny wee thing on the another page but then did click note and so i am quite worried that i have just written over the top of it or something but they will have my paper anyway and have not done that since but i think the pen is v is very intuitive everybody knows how to use it we do not have to worry yeah yeah so i think the pen is good it is about the best thing and 0 on the topic of the technology it just occurred to me that we actually did not need to move our computers because each computer has all of the files yeah it just occurred to me that they all yeah we only needed one computer and we only actually needed one computer yeah that is true if there had been a 5th that could have just been sitting there ready to go the whole time good point and the computer may not be conducive to a meeting because you tend to look at your computer and want to have the urge to check something yeah yeah yeah yeah you know it is useful but do you think the computers just provide distraction in a meeting i think too many computers are just distracting yeah okay i know i i like to have things written down in front of me actually like a lot of the stuff that was emailed to me i ended up you know like writing down there or something so i could look at it really quickly and not have the distraction of all of that yep yep i do not know about anybody else what else any wh i do i am not really sure what they are looking for when they say new ideas found i do not know is could you think of like anything else that would have been helpful today at all is this for the project or well the w main one for me is that the process na in a natural f context would not have been interrupted by this necessity to discommunicate ourselves from each other so that is kind of a new idea for me is like just sort of that idea yeah if we just had well you know it is kind of s hard to keep f working forward on a team a team based project when when you are told you must now work away from your team yeah i i dunno i think it was quite good that we had time limits on the meetings because they really could have run on and like my experience with meetings is that they really do 0 yeah and you can spend a lot of time talking about the only thing is though like when we had our meeting about the conceptual design yeah yeah i thought there maybe another 15 minutes would have been useful there but yeah i really thi i i think maybe if we would like all been working in the one room and they just said you know like every hour or something everybody make sure yo you know just have a have a short meeting and then just c just to have like something written down just like you know a a milestone if you like rather than having meetings but there you go so in closing i have not got my 5 minutes to go thin 0 there it i 5 minutes to go wonderful okay are the costs within the budget yes they are and is the project evaluated yes it is so now celebrate great so it and we have ninja homer so now we 0 yeah well apparently now i write the final report do we know what the other ones are what are you guys doing now i i do not know you dunno 0 wow that is lovely hey yeah i said ninja homer what did you call it ninja homer see it looks like homer simpson huh huh but it is electronic so it is made in japan so is that j is that just is that just a logo or does it do anything logo yeah it is just a logo just a logo and then like ninja homer right okay huh ninja homer the the red is supposed to represent the whatever else you want to print on the side of it i think it is quite nice fashion technology or something you can wear homer you can throw homer when you are frustrated doh 0 no that is cool it has got i am kind of i am slightly gutted that we could not get plastic and rubber i think that would have been nice it is clunky yeah yeah ah well maybe from now on real reaction should give us more money 0 i did learn something new play doh is useful play doh s no it is it is it is useful and in in in in in in in conceptualizing in being creative huh huh really cause like you say it is something you can put your hands on and feel and touch and get a sense for yeah yeah like we were playing with the play doh and the ideas came with the play doh rather than with everything else did they you might want to write that down yeah it is just i am just fiddling with the play doh and i am going yeah yeah it is kinda cool okay play doh no it is true yeah guess i would forgot how good s play doh smells yeah it smells funny does not it and some play dohs are actually i think edible are not they no all play doh is edible yeah like the stuff for i think it has to be yeah i think they are all non toxic cause it is aimed for like 2 year olds it is just wheat it is the stuff that your mom could make with preservatives and wow yeah so to wha what are your summarizing words about play doh it is helpful to the creative process huh it engages all your senses not just your sight but your sense of feel your sense of touch okay yep and it helps you to understand taste dimension as well yeah i think that that is very helpful because it it starts to pop up whereas on a piece of paper on a computer on a board yeah yeah yep even with a 3 d graphic thing it still it requires a lot of yeah tangible that is a nice word yeah yeah it is not very tangible yeah it becomes tangible tangible okay i do not know if there is anything else we needed to discuss nope that that is about it really just sit still i guess for a little while do we retreat to our to continue our i think we could probably do it here as long as we do not collaborate r reporting or what i well i dunno i am sure the little the little thing will pop up any minute now can we turn off the microphones yeah yeah if the meeting is over then yeah i guess so" ]

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[ "okay we are all set right well this is the final detailed design meeting we are going to discuss the look and feel design the user interface design and we are going to evaluate the product and the end result of this meeting has to be a decision on the details of the remote control like absolute final decision and then i am going to have to specify the final design in the final design in the final report so just from last time to recap we said we were going to have a snowman shaped remote control with no lcd display no need for talk back it was hopefully going to be kinetic power and battery with rubber buttons maybe backlighting the buttons with some internal leds to shine through the casing hopefully a jog dial and incorporating the slogan somewhere as well anything i have missed okay sue if you want to present your prototype go ahead this is it ninja homer made in japan there are a few changes we have made we have to look at the expense sheet and it turned to be quite a lot expensive to have it open up and have lots of buttons and stuff inside so instead of this is going to be an lcd screen just a very very basic one very small with access to the menu through the scroll wheel and confirm and then apart from that it is pretty much the same to discuss last time and it does not open up to the advanced functions so the advanced functions are still hidden from you but they are hidden in the sense that they are not in use where are they they are in the lcd panel on the jog dial ah all right so what kind of thing is going to be the lcd panel just displays functionally what you are doing if you are using an advanced function right like brightness contrast whatever it would just say you know it is like it only has 4 columns it is a very simple lcd like or as many the minimum amount we need that they usually will automatically know like this is brightness or this is contrast it might even be one a bit more complex lcd panel with pictures like maybe the sun or you know the symbols of the various functions and what is this here that is a number pad okay so the number pad is where are we going to have this slogan i am just like along this okay cool you have this space here and then you have this thing on the side as well or at the bottom the slogans are usually quite small right they are not like huge so there is say a button is about this size right so you would still have plenty of space for a slogan so if this is a button is not to scale what kind of dimensions are you thinking about here well the buttons to be big enough to push easily with the finger so we reckon that would be about the same size as the palm your hand yeah so that would be about a centimeter for a button so 1234 centimeters plus maybe half 59 in total 678 but yeah 9 that sounds good 10 centimeters that would be good so 10 centimeters in height okay that would be good in fact a pen is about 10 centimeters usually so that would be that sounds like a really good sign you see it there that is great and it is very bright as well so is it possible i am just going to bring up the idea of colors are these the colors of production is this just what we had available we are going to have again the sort of the foggy yellow from the last time that we are up when you freeze the button okay so could you list all the things that it does so i can write them in the report this button because it is red it is sort of very problem we are going to use it as it is going to be the power button if you hold it for maybe 2 seconds i will send a standby signal apart from that it is going to be used as a confirm button for the lcd screen okay use this as a jogged there okay so that is like a good button 0 we have discussed how high it is but how wide is it okay how high is it no as in the height yeah but what about the wish 0 that depth of the actual 5 do we need 5 yeah about 35 okay 0 it is just to get an idea of scale from your yeah sure so you can par on and off what else can you do you can skip straight it is a channel using these buttons okay we are going to have the volume control here because we have got the lcd and the jog dial we just thought we would use that as the volume okay jog dial for volume and what else do you do with the jog dial you can use it for more advanced functions like contrast color contrast brightness yeah yeah anything else just whatever else we wanted to include the advanced functions but then i did not actually go through and specify the well as the designers what are they what can a tv do okay things like brightness contrast maybe tuning the channels okay channel tuning what else the various inputs so you have a vcr you have you know which input do you have probably color sharpness yeah color sharpness a lot of these things will have to be free and open for users to define them okay what about signed settings can you change any of those at all audio we have like your basic your base your mid range your high range you have the balance yep left right balance maybe even pre programmed sound modes okay the user could determine a series of sound modes a series of sound modes and what could happen would be when you click on that and we go to that setting okay is there anything else at all that can do because that is fine just need to know so i can write it down okay right i guess that is it so we can now have a little look at the excel sheet and price this thing and see if we need that and see if we need to rethink anything at all so for this 1st part here power wise have we got battery do you have kinetic as well no no okay just battery we need and that is because of cost restraints is it yeah okay what about the electronics here advanced chip i think let me just confirm that yes i think so okay the case what does it mean by single and double do you know i think single i just be sort of one or double where doubles this sort of thing so we want double curved yeah okay plastic is there any rubber at all in the button i think we are going to have to skip the rubber okay and we want it special colors do not we so i will have to pop that 0 no wait how many colors have we got there for the case itself one color it is one special color just one color okay because the case unit itself the rest of the components on top of it so interface wise is it this 3rd option we have the 2 of them there one the lcd display okay and then buttons we have got 2 colors we got some of the color as well we have got push buttons as well like 0 wait so push button and integrated school okay i reckon we have got one button for this thing because it is just one big sheet of rubber i am not sure if that counts but okay let us just be safe and put like say 4 buttons for that one okay okay and maybe a special color for the mons so maybe 4 again 4 so we are already so why are we arriving at the number 4 the number 4 where does the number 4 come from because that is one button but it is the complexity of 12 buttons okay right so we are running down 4 yeah it will be less okay are we wanting them and no no there is just is everything going to be plastic okay so we are all quite far over something is going to have to go we are at 168 and how how are we going to achieve this high end product well something has to go to the tune of €23 so let me see what are we 23 43 0 yes sorry 43 well we could take it once if we are making it single curve just fill in those bits how much would that save us how much would that save you one the other thing could be that you could you could take away the lcd panel and advance chip together because when you do something on the tv the tv responds and reacts as well so the user could be looking to the tv and pushing this thing so we may not need to so when we scroll we need just some way to get the tv to respond which i think is a technically doable thing so what is our reviewed suggestion take away the lcd display yep and the advanced chip goes away as well advanced chip goes away as well to be replaced with a regular chip so what that means is that and so we have got 3 to get rid of and we have where are the 4 push buttons are where exactly now the 12 buttons that you see there 12 buttons it is one piece of rubber but it is going to have 12 functionally you have to intercept so 4 is a good estimate for do you think yeah yeah you can not actually cut it is like 3 times the number of buttons it is 4 8 12 is that one big button or is it 12 buttons how can it be something in between it needs to be more than one big button because if you open up your phone underneath there is actually one button underneath it is just that the panel itself is a single panel okay well we have 3 to get rid of this somewhere just report that it has to be over budget or the colors no 10 colors for the buttons yeah we could just go with normal colored buttons well do you want color differentiation here no that is not the button we are talking about the buttons only refer to the pads so right so take that off it is back to the original so then these just become normal colored buttons so that might be some way of cutting the cost okay 0 that is a shit right so take away that completely aw and now we are under budget so we do have ¢5 to play with if we wanted how about with embossing the logo is not that going to cost us some money does not say so i can that for you count as a special form for buttons yeah yeah that is a good idea one does that mean that one button has a special button one button has a special form or i think there is just one button so yeah okay well there we go so i am just going to have to redraw this and i so we are not going to have the lcd anymore we are just going to have an on the tv it will show you what you are doing which i think is fair enough and so this is going to be one big thing here was the goal in your in your prototype design that it be as low profile as possible profile as possible what do you mean by profile sort of flat as possible no because i am actually being quite deep so you are not to be comfy to hold your hands while and white and black we did not have enough play doh to make it yeah all right okay just done there so there is one more dimension to the thing which we need to add and you might want to add in a point length width and height right okay so just to well to be thorough then widthwise we are looking at about what 3 centimeters or something yeah okay and then so height wise how tall you can visit you being about that way about 2 centimeters okay 2 is not very high at all though this is about 2 slightly more than 2 yeah and by that thick okay maybe closer to 3 okay we will say 25 okay so we have it within cost anyway so yeah project evaluation is this point right okay so can we close that this is what it is the final spec that is going to be so i am just going to have to yeah that is fine that is fine it is probably just i do not know if it is worth getting it into but just in and that we want this to be stylish should we think a little bit more out of the box in terms of a button grid because i have seen there is lots of devices out there that instead of taking your standard 99 square grid and have it sort of stylized or in different concept that i think that is something that is very hard to catch yeah so you restrict the number of people want to try something sure okay the look and the color is something which is cool yeah i think there is also that factor of it is too unfamiliar okay okay sure because when you put it on the shell square buttons yeah button shape might be a good idea to change rather than positioning because i think positioning is we are kind of ingrained into the telephone kind of pad okay right so at this point we discuss how satisfied we all are with them these 4 points with the room for creativity and the project and leadership and teamwork and the stuff we had around us i guess let me see do you want me to do my design evaluation last yeah i was not really sure what that was yeah evaluation yeah go for that 1st i was not entirely sure what i am not really sure what he was supposed to be doing that but you go for it all right so the way this works i am going to need to plug in the powerpoint okay i will try and do it as quick as possible okay this is i will just go over your head if that is okay yeah i do not think you need the power so what is that no it is okay i do not need the powerpoint no the power cord itself 0 of course yeah so then you get more freedom to a bit more okay so what this is is for us to use kind of like the ideas that i have set up i have reviewed all of the points of discussion from the beginning and use that as a criteria of evaluation for the current design or the plan and so we can review that i think it is going to end up being elementary because we are not going to probably use it to change anything it does not seem like it is going okay great and i am going to write up our results on the board so this will be a way for us to go through and decide if we are to review where we stand in it okay so sort of bringing together 2 things for design goals and also the market research that we had when we rate this one is high in succeeding or fitting to our original aim and 7 is low okay so these are there and we have been asked to collectively rate this so what we can do is try and just work on a consensus system so we just come to an agreement okay okay so the 1st one the stylish look and feel i rate that pretty highly well yeah compared to most remote controls you see that is pretty good as you see that is pretty good i do not know like a 6 or something what does anybody else say yeah my only reservation with it was that we basically went with yellow because it is the company is color and i do not know if yellow is going to really be a hit but okay i am going to 5 then what do you guys think i would say 5 or 6 okay yep i am fine okay let us go 5 then okay it is actually the opposite it is one to 7 right 0 yes sorry then i would say 2 okay wait what is the scale one is 7 one is high is not it one is high ah okay yeah 2 or 3 okay okay 2 or 5 then okay control high tech innovation well it was probably we jog dial but yeah so we have had to remove a few of our features we wanted but jog dial i would say it is more 3 or 4 maybe 3 but going towards a little bit higher okay than medium kind of 3 okay okay style reflects a fruit inspired color design should not say color but the blue the blue colors and do not actually represent the color except for the red button they because for one of a but the yellow i mean it could be a yellow yeah the yellow is more representative of the color but the button itself the blue can be anything else okay so 2 okay and design is simple to use simple and features yeah and it is really basic looking is not it i mean i would give that nearly a one you guys think yeah one yep yeah one that is fine soft and spongy have we achieved that we have used mostly plastic in the end it is going to be quite a bit of a compromise for price 5 5 that is really low well i have to use plastic yeah i suppose okay could we have used an entirely rubber frame to it is that an option it would be cost more than plastic then yeah logo we have got it in there have not we yeah going to have that on the side do not we it is within budget yep it is is not it yeah okay so we can say then that out of a possible or what would be a yeah out of 49 with 0 being the highest yeah 10 27 8 10 155 pretty good pretty good translate to something like about approximately 72% efficacy of our original goal right i think because if you turn that into a 100 it would be about twice that about 31 and then invert that so yeah well you have a 69 70% 0 right about 7 it is pretty good okay good that was just a little formality for us to go through okay 0 £100 pen sorry nobody saw it honestly the cameras did is that your all finished yeah that is me i did have one other frame i thought i mean not knowing how we would deal with this information information i thought okay in theory this kind of process would be about refining our design revisiting our original goals it is not something i need to push through but i thought should we thinking more about the dimensions sort of like more of a 3 dimensional shapes as well as opposed to just that flat could our design involve a series of colors that it is more of like a line where we have like sort of the i do not know like the harvest line or the vibrant i do not know whatever just some theme and we have different tones lines lines green lemon okay it is just discussion i mean obviously we can just abandon this it is fine just thinking about what we originally set out to do right yep okay great are you submitting the evaluation criteria or am i i do not know what your instructions have been i think to record it and i have not been asked to submit it yet okay i am just wondering if i need to include it in the minutes because if you are submitting it anyway i will yeah okay great keep you cool right well next up then because we have done finance is the project evaluation i am listening i am just trying to incorporate the logo into the thing so i am playing with the play doh as well just in case you are wondering is you still playing with the play dol just like right can not you get your legal my look want to just individually say what you think about these 4 points and not those 4 points my 4 points so you have got a different i like those printer cables that just have the 2 little butterfly clips 0 yeah it is really quick right okay yeah here we are i do not know we will do this alphabetically do you want to start sure so what is it you are asking of me now i do not know your opinion on those 4 points really and how we that is sort of our work on setting this up yeah well is it okay i will just go through your system i know the room is fairly institutional but the main thing is i think our use of the space is more just to report on things as opposed to be creative and constructive and it would probably help to have sort of a cumulative effect of we have ideas and we come back and then the ideas are still in discussion you know as in other words this room is sort of a center point of creativity whereas in reality we have gone through this it is not really a center point of creativity it is more just a do you feel though that you were able to have quite a lot of creative input into the yeah yeah but that is just the thing is the question in terms of the 1st point there the room it feels is that the creativity goes on when we lead and then we come here and then we kind of put out our ideas and then i do not i do not think it means the room as in this room i think it means like you know 0 right right 0 right okay all right i just looked up and saw okay white for digital pens the room 0 okay no of course yeah well i do know i think it means i think you think you were able to give creative input yeah okay yeah answering the question in those terms i would say that actually there is sort of a tease of creativity because we are asked to work through this but actually the guidelines are fairly contrived in terms of okay fashion trends say fruit and vegetable color scheme but then we are told if you can use the company colors so what do we do we are told okay i think in terms of style and look and feel and technology but build something for 12 and a half pounds okay so actually the creativity was more of like a sort of a formality than that you feel like caged within whatever it is like a balloon in a cage it can even go so big if not hit the side the constraints do come in actually let us take each point and everybody discuss it i think yeah so still on the topic of room for creativity next up is craig i agree with his points there is quite a lot of fun to go through and then you have to start at the end and go right got to cut everything out because we do not have enough money yeah yeah i think another point is that the meetings are more brainstorming sessions than meetings so time is also a very strong factor and structure because for a brainstorming meeting you want a structure that allows you to allow ideas to get tossed to be evaluated and to be reviewed and to get feedback and come back and i guess that point about the room not being very friendly to that i think that is a very big thing and i think the fact that we are wearing these things restricts i feel it because i wear my glasses right but that irritates me right it does actually affect whether you feel comfortable to communicate i feel like i am hiding behind the equipment rather than the equipment is helping me so you think a more relaxed atmosphere would be more kind of conducive not so much in atmosphere the atmosphere is very relaxed but the gear yeah you know creates boundaries to that and the time given also restricts very good what about leadership i do not know if that means like if i did a good job or something i do not really know i mean my sense on that is sort of what kind of guidance and direction and something like your personal coach person and stuff like that yeah and you as well i think i am sort of acting as a team leader yeah i think it is good i mean my personal view on leadership is that effective leadership sort of gives people a certain room for freedom and delegation but then to come back to something that they take great ownership and innovative thought with in reality i think here the different elements of leadership such as the original briefing and then the personal coach and then you know having having you with your meeting agenda is actually quite a quite a quite a confining framework to work within and so it is leadership almost at the point of sort of disempowering the team member but it is not bad leadership it is just sort of fairly strong you know it turns the individual into more of like a sort of a predetermined mechanism as a so maybe any to controlling yeah 0 yeah i think controlling is not the right word the interactions are very structured i think structure is probably what you are saying that each individual is structured to one particular task and one particular rather than controlling i do not need a sense of control because our decisions have been made in terms of a consensus right we go around and we think about it but that you know process actually says you have to do it in a certain way okay it does not tell you you know sometimes you might want to be a bit more creative in terms of the process yeah not the okay what about teamwork did you want to comment i think that was a bit hard because we could only discuss things in the meeting yeah if we could just go up to somebody outside the meeting and have a quick talk to them it would have been a lot easier okay i think you tried to use the common share folder to to communicate but it just comes back to a certain it just comes back to us so slow in the email it does not have a messenger do you guys get the email i sent you yeah i was wondering if that got there okay so to summarize the teamwork issue saying that if we could communicate outside the meeting you know just like quick questions quick thoughts whatever it probably would be i think the tools that they were given the tool set that were given to us are fancy but they do not support collaboration i think that is the word they do not support the team working together yeah you know they are still very individual tools yeah i mean sort of taking upon that idea the way i see this is that it is the structure in which we have approached this whole task is quite contrary to the principle of teamwork because the tasks were sort of divided and then the work went on in isolation i do not know what you guys did while you were together maybe that was a bit different but but but actually if you if you imagine the entire the completely same task given to us but us said okay 1st thing we have to do is come up with let us say a design concept and we sit here together and do it yeah well that is what teamwork is to say okay go off and do not talk to each other it is actually sort of predisposes you to quite the contrary of teamwork not that we have not done i think the best we could have done i am not dissatisfied with it right anything else to say on teamwork at all no i think okay what about the you know how we use the whiteboard the digital pens the projector stuff like that did anybody think anything was really useful anything was pretty un supported i think the whiteboard for me is the kind of thing i would use all the time but it is not quite as useful to us as it could have been maybe just in the way that we use it in the sense that once we have an idea out there or while work was going on in between meetings that could have been up on a board you know as opposed to in text and then we could then keep our ideas sort of building on that i know that people who design cars and you know in aviation they quite often just have a simple like fiberglass prototype and it is completely you know abstract from the final product but they use it as a kind of a context to sort of walk around and puzzle and and discuss and in a way everybody is as we discuss things in theoretically and out of our notebooks we are just we are actually just each of us discussing something in each of our own mind it was not until we had this here you know like at one point i peeked across and looked at craig is paper and i am like now i know what he is thinking because i saw his book but the whiteboard could have actually being this kind of continuing so do you think producing a prototype earlier in the process would have been a good idea i think the focus of it a lot was the powerpoint as opposed to the whiteboard and i think that that also does hinders and things i think it will be cooler to have the whiteboard rather than the powerpoint or maybe the whiteboard and the powerpoint in the same place yeah because the powerpoint was provided to us what we had time to prepare whereas i can imagine if i had been encouraged to use paintbrush for example or whatever i would have actually used it just because that is sort of how we were set up to use when we had that time okay i think that there were too many powerpoints in the meetings the plug in and the plugging spent we spent a lot of time doing that and a lot of information on the powerpoints i do not think you know we need it to actually we could have gone through them very verbally my slides i felt that you know as opposed to have them to present them what about the digital pens did you find them easy enough to use i am kind of clunky yep clunky agreed okay okay having to tick it before you go off was a bit hindering as well because you are halfway through a thought and then you run out paper and then you have to jump i know i think at the very start of today i like wrote a hoolood a start did not click note on one then went back and wrote one tiny thing on another page but then did click note and so i am quite worried that i have just written over the top of it or something but they will have my paper anyway and i have not done that but i think the pen is very intuitive everybody knows how to use it we do not have to worry yeah i think the pen is good not the best thing on the topic of the technology it just occurred to me that we actually did not need to move our computers because each computer has all of the file yeah it just occurred to me that they yeah we only needed one computer we only actually needed one computer if there had been a 5th it could have just been sitting there ready to go and the computer may not be conducive to a meeting because you tend to look at your computer and want to have the urge to check something it is useful but do you think the computers just provide distraction in the meeting i think too many computers are just distracting and i like to have things written down in front of me actually like a lot of the stuff that was emailed to me i ended up you know like writing down there or something so i could look at it really quickly and not have the distraction of all of that i do not know about anybody else what else i am not really sure what they are looking for and they are saying new ideas found i do not know could you think of anything else that would have been helpful today at all well the main one for me is that the process in a natural context would not have been interrupted by this necessity to discommunicate ourselves that is kind of a new idea for me is like just sort of that idea well you know it is kind of hard to keep working forward on a team based project when you are told you must now work away from the meeting yeah i think it is quite good that we had time limits on the meetings because they really could have run on and my experience of meetings is that they really do and you can spend a lot of time talking about the only thing is though like when we had our meeting about the conceptual design i thought there maybe another 15 minutes would have been useful there i think maybe if we all been working in the one room and they just said you know every hour or something everybody make sure you know just have a short meeting and then just just to have like something written down just like you know a milestone if you like rather than having meetings but there you go so in closing i have not got my 5 minutes to go think 0 there it 5 minutes to go wonderful okay are the costs is in the budget yes they are and is the project evaluated yes it is so now celebrate we have ninja homer well apparently now i write the final report what are you guys doing now i do not know 0 wow that is lovely i said ninja homer what did you call it ninja homer see it looks like homer simpson but it is electronic so it is made in your hand is that just a logo or is it doing a thing it is just a logo and then like ninja the red is supposed to represent whatever else you want to print on the side of it fashion technology or something you can wear homer you can throw homer when you are frustrated duh it is cool i am kind of i am slightly gutted that we can get plastic and rubber i think that would have been nice yeah 0 wow maybe from our own real reaction should give us more money 0 i did learn something play doh is useful no it is it is it is useful in conceptualizing in being creative it is like you say it is something you can put your hands on and feel and touch and get a sense where like we were playing with the play doh and the ideas came with the play doh did they rather than with everything else you might want to write that okay i am just filling with the play 0 yeah it is true i forgot how you just the pledo smells yeah it smells funny does not it some platoes are actually edible are not they no all of it it is just sweet it is the stuff that your mom could make with preservatives so what are your summarizing words about play div it is helpful to the creative process it engages all your senses not just your sight but your sense of feel your sense of touch and it helps you to understand dimension as well i think that is very helpful because it starts to pop up whereas on a piece of paper on a computer on a board even with a 3 d graphics even with a 3 d graphic thing it still requires a lot of yeah tangible that is an example it becomes tangible tengible okay i do not know if there is anything else you need to discuss that is about it really just sit still i guess for it all do we retreat to our to continue our i think we could probably do it here well i do not know i am sure that will pop up any minute now can you turn off the microphones yeah yeah the meeting is over then yeah and my microphone has no signal which would explain why i do not know why you do not get any more it might be like this yeah might be because the power is door right it is fun back i think the time has to run out for us to get any more instructions does not it yeah that is really cool i can see the talk i can see my own voice on there do you really watch thank you you know you know you know you know thank you" ]

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[ "okay 0 that is not going to work 0 alright okay okay alright i will just put that there as you all know we are here to create a brand new fantastic remote i am nick debusk i am the project manager we will just get started with everyone kind of letting each other know who they are and what you are doing what your what your role is go ahead okay i am corinne whiting and i will be the marketing expert and in each of the 3 phases i will have a different role in the function design phase i will be talking about user requirement specification and this means what needs and desires are to be fulfilled and i will be doing research to figure this out in the conceptual design phase i will be dealing with trend watching and i will be doing marketing research on the web and then finally in the detailed design phase i will be doing product evaluation and so i will be collecting the requirements and ranking all the requirements to see how we did kay hiya i am ryan i am the user interface designer likewise i have 3 different roles for each stage of design the functional design is looking at the tex technical functions of a remote control in the concept design the user interface how the user reacts with the the product and the detailed design sort of like the user interface design what they might be looking for things like fashions what makes wha how we are going to make it special that is about it right i am manuel and i am the industrial designer in in this project in the functional design phase i am i will be dealing mostly with the requirements we will discuss what the prog what functions the the product has to fulfill and so and so on i suppose we will work pretty much together on that one in the conceptual design i will be pro mostly dealing with properties and materials of our product yeah and the detailed design in the detailed design i will be concerned with the look and feel of the product itself so we are pretty much working together obviously on the design front here okay okay so we have got our opening our our agenda is the opening acquaintance which we have kinda done tool training project plan discussion and then closing grand total of 25 minutes we have here so we are putting together a new remote control we want it to be something original of course we are a not only a electronics company but a fashion conscious electronics company so we want it to be trendy and we want it to be easy to use we have got the functional design conceptual design and detailed design which basically is is the 3 of you and w well functional design do we have any ideas of of maybe d let us just throw out some ideas of what kind of remote control we want to have and then we can go into how we are going to design it and and how we are going to do the detailing on it yeah well s function of remote control is just just you know change channels is its main function so we want it to be a t v remote or i i mean do we want it to to do other things besides just be a a television remote 0 right i suppose you c try make it a universal remote for could work on all sort of electrical kay products in in one person is house but you know they all sorta have the same role changing channels volumes and then programming kay i think they all work on the same prin principle as well sorta like i do not actually know but is it just infra red is that standard i i think yeah yeah r universal remote ye yeah this is my 1st go round with creating a remote control so i think we are all in the same boat here huh ours too one thing i thought of with the remote control is you always lose em okay so if there is a g a way of finding it quite easily i thought that would be quite good quite a good feature ch so we should we should set our remote control up to where it has a like a tracking device like a tracking device or or like a a 0 you can get those key well you could whistle or make a noise and it would beep it makes a noise there is a button on the t v that you press and yeah right kay be good so generally all remotes are sort of quite similar in their appearance yeah just long do we want so they are kinda like long and rectangular yeah do we want something crazy black usually you know we want something new that is going to stand out yeah lot more modern i think so a m a modern so our remote should be maybe sorta spherical or something a ball maybe like user friendly like a little yeah you know where you can use both hands like a little keyboard type thing people i thought maybe because people always tend to throw a remote control about the place to one another if it was in a ball and maybe the actual controls are inside or something kay well there are of course certain restrictions you can not have it be any form and fulfill all functions at the same time yeah so there are always the some restrictions we have to apply here however one question is how stable is that thing supposed to be that refers to the material pretty much what are we going to build that thing out of how sturdy is it going to be do we want it to last longer or rather have people whatever have to buy one every half a year okay so yeah so we want it to be sturdy we want it to to hold up to somebody is child you know yeah throwing it across the room or as you said people kinda throw it so ball shaped you know if it were ball shaped maybe then it yeah it could be cased on the outside and t everything could be inside kay so we want it to be modern fun sturdy so our form and our function we want it to be easy to find what else it what else do we want it to to do so we want it to be universal it is something that we are supposed to sell for about €25 and you know goals for profits are i think somewhere around €50000000 what they want to make on it so also since we are partners of the international remote control association maybe we want to make it something that would globally appeal kay that is more on the research end but the marketing so marketing you know how maybe marketing you could s find out what is the most universally appealing remote control out there yeah and maybe as far as design goes maybe we could have different ones for different target audiences kay cause maybe one will not apply to all of the countries we are targeting ye small right do you guys have any ideas for what it should look like maybe we could draw it up on the on the board over there some ideas we want it to be a b a ball you know we will draw up we will draw up the ball and maybe th where the buttons are located i would i could draw sorta the ball idea my original idea was just simply sort of a sphere where maybe you this is where it is connected together and then when you open it out it could fol it could be maybe flip like a flip phone and then when you fold it out the middle maybe a hinge that will have to be the strongest part of it if that if we did use a hinge or if it was just 2 parts and then you would have just sorta you you you know your buttons thing is inside i think sometimes remotes have too many buttons so maybe as simple as possible as few buttons inside as possible i dunno what is the idea for just something maybe if you ha if it had like if some kind of like light or something or lights around it it is looking a bit like something out of star wars at the moment though to be fair but yeah futuristic that was that was a sorta simple idea i had and then you know you could about huh right it would almost be like a ball so that was just just an idea i had i do not know whether anybody else has other ideas right one problem you would get with this design is the ball is a nice idea because of it is stability really but of course yeah since it is a ball it will roll so we would have to have it flat on one side at least down here somewhere take away that part yeah maybe f yeah that is one of the big issues yeah that is g that is a good idea also also you risk the hinges here yeah that is that is a problem the idea it did not have to necessarily be f a hinge that was just one idea though that is that is interesting of course but that is of course a weak point yeah yeah how would we go about making you know getting rid of our weak points what i mean would we just have a flat spot on the bottom of the ball not to put you on the spot but e no no what did you say your title was again n n i am your industrial designer so i b well the point is you are the the industrial designer that well maybe i dunno the shape is perhaps not the most ideal okay as as stable as it is there must be a compromise between stability and design here so well i i suppose that things become design but i mean i i was trying to think of like the design of others i can not think of anything other than a long rectangle for remote maybe small sort of fatter ones but there is nothing being done sort of out of left field yeah yeah it is not new it is not innovative it is you know everybody does long remote because it is easy it is it is stable yeah kay i will draw something so if no go ahead what my idea was just to have it be kind of like a keyboard type shape you know like video games l so yeah but maybe i mean that would be kinda big and bulky we could also try to do the hinge thing so it could like flip out that way i do not know that is my idea i think definitely doing something different yeah is a good idea i mean maybe design something that is sort of like i suppose not everybody is everybody is hand is the same but something that would maybe fit in the hand easier something with a grip yeah with a grip yeah yeah because even i suppose even with the ball it still might be hard to it still not the ho easiest thing to hold yeah it is it might not be the easiest to hold onto so perhaps the the joystick the the keyboard idea might work better like yeah but then again people like to use one hand to flip and one hand to hold their soda so maybe maybe we true yeah it is d yeah i think it is definitely got to be a a one handed a one handed job i feel like i am just shooting everything down here that is fine you are the boss you are allowed to well with the one handed design you also have the the problem of the size w cause you know from cell phones they can be too small so if the remote is too small it if it is small it probably looks better but yeah yeah may not be th as functional so for that there is okay so unfortunately we have got about 5 minutes here to come up with our remote control idea and start rolling with it so we have talked about our experiences with remote control and we have got a couple ideas let us see here what if we had what if we had not only say we went with the ball the ball function but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side s to make it easier to hold on to so you know s so it is easier to hold onto that way yeah course that will then remove some of our our ball unless this unless this part were raised so say the cover flips over and covers that part so the grip is no that would not work either but if we are going to make it flat on the bottom then that eliminates our ball anyways so if it were flat on the bottom and then had the sorta grips on the side here i guess and then flat and then we have the problem with the hinge so if we are flat on the bottom it is not going to roll away it will stay where we want the question is also i dunno d do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it that is true it is probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway so i do not know if a lid is a good idea from stabil stability point of view it certainly is but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident the more we sell so it is do not make it too stable so we do not have it flip open we just have a ball but then maybe to go back to the to th s something along those things then to the other design okay so then we forget the ball it looks cool looks cool though it looks cool but it is really not it is not functional yeah functional so we have got our sort of keyboard kind what if we flipped it around here so that it were sorry that does not look anything like what you had there so it is up and down you hold it this way course then it is it is like the rectangular again only with a couple of jutting out points yeah right right but it is one handed question is what makes those game pads functional w i think that is pretty much the form for full hand so it is a round shape underneath that makes it comfy right makes it nice so that is the essential part yeah except for that i think we will not probably not get a get away from some longer design yeah right cause you also have to know which way around to point this thing yeah because it does not have a cord like joysticks do you know all that dif batteries right and batteries go weak as well so after a while you have to point it towards the towards the equipment you want to control with it right so have to m show which is the front which is the back is it possible to have it to where it would work with a like a sensor on either side so that either way you are pointing it it would work i suppose you could do that 0 of course the more technology you stick in that the more it will cost so more expensive and yeah course you can do that kay i mean of course it will be evident after a while or if you look at it it will it will be evident which way around to point it since you have the the numbers and the and the the buttons and stuff true but it is rather about an instinctual thing put it like you just grab it you do not have to s look at it you know which way around to point it otherwise the design of or the the point of putting 2 sensors on both sides would probably work even if you designed it in some in a way that you know is not a rectangle but still pointed in a direction that had definite points so if that is your thing and you got something like that instead and there is your s you kn you know which way you are going to pointing it yeah kay sorry to interrupt but we have a warning to finish are we out of time yeah okay well just to finish up should we s go with this plan start making some are good ideas what are not let us does it say what does it say for n it says on there what we need to do for the next meeting i think obviously must finish now so t and then marketing will look and see what what people want alright great okay and project manager will design a better meeting for next time around be a little bit more prepared and alright good meeting" ]

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[ "okay 0 that is not going to work 0 all right all right okay okay all right as you all know we are here to create a brand new fantastic remote i am nick debusk i am the project manager we will just get started with everyone kind of letting each other know who they are and what you are doing and what you are doing what you are what your role is go ahead okay i am corinne whiting and i will be the marketing expert and in each of the 3 phases i will have a different role in the function design phase i will be talking about user requirement specification and this means what needs and desires are to be fulfilled and i will be doing research to figure this out in the conceptual design phase i will be dealing with trend watching and i will be doing marketing research on the web and then finally in the detailed design phase i will be doing product evaluation and so i will be collecting the requirements and ranking all of the requirements to see how we did okay hi i am ryan i am the user interface designer likewise i have 3 different roles for each stage of the stage of the design design the functional design is looking at the technical functions of remote control and the concept design the user interface how the user reacts with the product and the detailed design sort of like the user interface design what they might be looking for things like fashions what makes how we are going to make it special that is about it i am manuel and i am the industrial designer and in this project in the functional design phase i will be dealing mostly with the requirements we will discuss what functions the product has to fulfill and so on and so on i suppose we will work pretty much together on that one in the conceptual design i will be mostly dealing with properties and materials of our product and the detailed design and the detailed design in the detailed design i will be concerned with look and feel of the product itself pretty much working together obviously on the design frontier okay so we have got our opening our agenda is the opening acquaintance which we have kind of done tool training project plan discussion and then closing grand total of 25 minutes we have here so we are putting together a new remote control we want it to be something original of course we are not only a electronics company but a fashion conscious electronics company so we want it to be trendy and we want it to be easy to use we have got the functional design conceptual design and detailed design which basically is the 3 of you and and well functional design do we have any ideas of maybe let us just throw out some ideas of ideas of what kind of remote control we want to have and then we can go into how we are going to design it and how we are going to do the detailing on it yeah well function of remote control is just just you know change the channels is its main function so we want it to be a tv remote or i mean do we want it to do other things besides just be a television remote i suppose you try to make it a universal remote okay i could work on all sort of electrical products in one person is house but you know they all sort of have the same role changing channels volumes and then programming okay i think they all work on the same principles as well i do not actually know tyler but is it just infrared is that just in that i think yeah universal remote this is my 1st go round with creating remote control so i think we are all in the same boat here one thing i thought of a remote control is you always lose them okay so there was a way of finding it quite easily so we should we should feature our remote control up to where it has a like a tracking device like a tracking device or like a you whistle or make a noise it makes a noise there is a button on the tv that you press yeah okay okay so generally all remotes are sort of quite similar in their appearance yeah do we want so they are kind of like long we are kind of like long and rectangular we want something crazy you know we want something new that is going to stand out i think so a modern so our remote should be spherical or something ball maybe like user friendly like a little yeah you know where you can use both hands like a little keyboard type thing i thought maybe because people always sent a 3rd remote control about the place to one other if it was in a ball and actual controls are inside or something well there are of course certain restrictions you can not have it be any form and fulfill all functions at the same time so there are obviously some restrictions we have to apply here however one question is how stable is that thing supposed to be that refers to the material pretty much what are we going to build the thing out of how sturdy is it going to be do we want it to last longer or rather have people whatever okay so we want to be sturdy we want it to hold up to somebody is child you know throwing it across the room or as you said people kind of throw it so ball shaped you know if it were ball shaped maybe could be cased on the outside and anything could be inside okay so we want it to be modern fun sturdy so our form and our function we want it to be easy to find what else what else do we want it to do what else do we want it to do so we want it to be universal it is something that we are supposed to sell for about €25 and you know goals for profits are i think somewhere around €50000000 what they want to make on it also since we are partners of the international remote control association maybe we want to make it something that would globally appeal okay that is more on the research end but the marketing so marketing yeah how maybe marketing you could find out what is the most universally you know what is the most universally appealing remote control out there yeah maybe as far as design goes maybe we could have different ones for different target audiences okay because maybe one will not apply to all of the countries we are targeting right do you guys have any ideas for what it should look like maybe we could draw it up on the board over there some ideas we want to be a ball drop the ball and maybe where the buttons are located or my original idea was just simply sort of sphere where maybe you know this is where it is connected together and then when you open it out it could be maybe a flip like a flip phone and then when you fold it out the middle that is maybe a hinge that would have to be the strongest part of it if you did use a hinge it was just 2 parts and then you would have your buttons things inside i think sometimes the remotes of too many buttons as simple as possible as few as it was inside as possible and then there was the idea for just something maybe if it had like some kind of light or something or lights around it it is looking a bit like something out of star wars at the moment to be fair but yeah that was just a sort of simple idea i had and then you know you could feel out about it would almost be likable so that was just the idea i had i do not have anybody else is other ideas right one problem you would get with this design is the ball is a nice idea because of its stability but of course since it is a ball it will roll so we would have to have it flat on the side of the east down here somewhere take away that part that is one of the big issues also you risk the hinges here yeah that is a problem the idea they did not have necessarily be a hinge that was just one idea that is interesting of course but that is of course a weak point yeah how would we go about making you know getting rid of our weak points what i mean but we just have a flat spot on the bottom of the ball not to put you on the spot but what did you say your title was again i am the industrial designer the industrial designer so well the point is that well maybe i do not know the shape is perhaps not the most ideal okay as stable as it is there must be a compromise between stability and design here i mean i am trying to think of like the design of others i can not think of anything other than the long rectangle for remote maybe smaller sort of fatter ones but there is nothing being done sort of out of it is not new it is not innovative it is you know everybody does long remote because it is easy it is it is stable okay i will draw something so if no go ahead my idea was just to have it be kind of like a keyboard type shape you know like video games so but maybe i mean that would be kind of big and bulky we could also try to do the hinge thing so it could like flip out that way i do not know i think definitely doing something different yeah it is a good idea i mean very designed something that is sort of like where i suppose not everybody is hands the same everybody is hands the same but something that would just maybe fit in the hand easier something with a grip yeah with a grip yeah because even i suppose even with the ball you still might be harder it might not be the easiest to hold on to so perhaps the joystick the joystick the keyboard idea might work better but then again people like to use one hand to flip and one hand to hold their soda so maybe yeah the thing it is definitely got to be a one handed a one handed job i feel like i am just shooting everything down here you are the boss you are allowed to well with a one handed design you also have a in front of the size as you know from cell phones they can not be too small yeah the remote is too small if it is small it probably looks better but it may not be as functional okay so fortunately we have got about 5 minutes here to come up with our remote control idea and start rolling with it we have talked about our experiences with remote control and we have got a couple of ideas let us see here what if we had not only say we went with the ball ball function but maybe we give it sort of grips along the side to make it easier to hold on to so you know so it is easier to hold on to that way of then remove some of our ball unless this part were raised so say the cover flips over and covers that part so the grip is no that would not work either but if we are going to make it flat on the bottom then that eliminates our ball anyways so if it were flat on the bottom on the bottom and then had the sort of grips on the side here i guess and then we have the problem with the hinge so if we are flat on the bottom it is not going to roll away it will stay where we want the question is also i do not know do you really always want to open that thing when you have to use it that is true it is probably going to lie around opened all the time anyway so i do not know if a lid is a good idea from a stability point of view it certainly is but also you have to face it and take into account the more of these things break by accident the more we sell so we do not have it flip open we just have a ball but then maybe go back to the something along those things then okay so then we forget the ball it looks cool it looks cool but it is really not functional so we have got our sort of keyboard kind what if we flipped it around here flipped it around here so that it were sorry that does not look anything like what you had there so it is up and down you hold it this way of course then it is like the rectangular again only with a couple of jutting out points but it is one handed question is what makes those game pads functional i think that is pretty much the form for the hand so it is a round shape underneath that makes it comfy yeah makes it nice so that is the essential part except for that i think we will probably not get away from some longer design right because you also have to know which way around to point this thing yeah because it does not have a cord like joysticks do batteries go weak as well so after a while you have to point it towards the equipment you want to control with it right to show which is the front which is the back is it possible to have it to where it would work with like a sensor on either side so that either way you are pointing it it would work of course the more technology you stick in that the more cost more expensive so what you can do okay i mean of course it will be evident after a while if you look at it it will be evident which way around to point it since you have the numbers and the buttons and stuff but it is rather about an instinctual thing you just grab it you and have to just look at it you know which way around you point it otherwise the design of the point of putting 2 sensors on both sides would probably work even if you designed it in a way that is not a rectangle but still pointed in a direction that had a definite point so that is your thing you get something like that instead and there you can know which way you are going to be pointing it okay sorry to interrupt but we have a warning are we out of time okay well just to finish up should we go with this plan are good ideas what are not what is it say for that what is it say for next meeting i think finish now so and then marketing will look and see what people want all right okay the project manager will design a better meeting for the next time around be a little bit more prepared and all right good meeting" ]

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superior again that we really should stay within the budget of the €1250 kay it is well he said to me well when you stay in it is good when you do not stay in you have to redesign there is no no negotiation possible in this matter so we have to consider that good yep so maybe anna you can have your presentation well we can not no we can not do evaluation til we have a design okay matthew nice you are here great great great 0 ma maybe then you can start now with presenting your your designs yep so i will start by the the basic one that fits into €8 actually right €78 and well 1st for both they have a special shape maybe the designer can explain better than me but it is like a surf board and you you are supposed to surf to browse to surf t v maybe the web kay and it is kind of interesting shape because unconsciously people want to s to surf when they see this stuff or browse and also it is not too far from a mobile so people are used to that kind of shape right do not take care too much 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browse through from that yeah okay so it is it is t a very basic remote then it is only actually it is a very basic minimal thing which you can which is which is also available in the market yeah yeah yeah actually that is what it that it i and would cost us to build it about €8 78 ei €8 exce except for the for the special shape the surfing board it has a quite a a conventional layout of buttons yeah yeah yeah so this one model and yeah can i see thanks sure okay i like the volume control that is good th this is a magic one but i know we do not want to talk about that you know like i i i it is a very futuristic it is like it is like a brain machine interface and all this stuff we are thinking about in the future it can come huh yeah so it does not actually have buttons so that then what we look t yeah did you want to see yeah no you can carry on i just this is a model yeah look how it feels all yes it really feels like like like a mobile phone yeah yep just i am i really want to talk to it yeah actually yeah but it will not talk back so but but continue with your so well then the this is the a more a little smooth and it gives a lot of functionality in this way so all we have th you see there are only 6 keys but do not worry they are ma they are doing the job of 12 keys actually here right and so they have more space actually and it is easy to use this and you have so this is a standard infrared eye and then you have a power button which l volume what you have and then other than that you have channel up and down and f slow pause or s slow lo yeah s pause or stop play pause and then you can you have a l c d display here and y this is a functional thing which can change like it is a toggle switch which could change the function say y you press it from d v d player to television or something yeah exactly yeah i really can change it so yes to audio and to video on demand instead of having many switches y yes and and and then you get feedback via the l c d yeah the l c d can display what is that on that and well you can have a integrated microphone over here or in the button th here yes this is the orange button the microphone so which can basically you want to do a speech recognition and that channel a lot of information can be di displayed here directly on the on your on your display an yeah and here is a small l e d which is like blinking one which tells you like are you running out of the battery and which is can be useful for the locating as i was talking earlier okay yeah and well then we have a cover basically basically you do not need much of the time this yeah when you need you can use it and this gives additional functionality that tomorrow you want you can add a tactile thing crazy dis designer okay to this cover you know design enter yeah but but but but i in there when this is closed will it also cover up the l c d screen yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it is basically to do that yeah but but the l c d screen i mean is a very well an eye attracting feature which should not be should not be actually when you are watching the t v when you are watching anything or listening to them you hardly care about what is getting displayed here you know 0 actually well you want to and this gives a protection to the l c d actually giving a cover to that actually that th that is true gives a protection because when it falls down or something it it is it is is is it gives a protec it is more robust that way yes yes more robust yes okay yeah and you have very good chances it is low weight you have to see yeah yeah the the components we put inside is very low weight yeah yeah so the the cost is actually a bit more it is it is it is 16 francs it €16 €16 sorry okay so it is well outside the budget then then it is out of budget but the the main point we we talk about that with our manufacturer but w and they say basically that the s r system would be something like 3 francs per item so €3 sorry yeah €3 and that is on top of the 16 or is it part of that no no no part of that yeah part of that so that takes it down to €13 without the speech recognition yeah yeah kay yeah well if you we can have if you have new more ideas we can add new more some more keys if you want to you know well i think th th yeah we should stick with a number of keys because if we add too much then yeah it it should not be cluttering up everything it is too what is this one on the side ah that is for the it is kind of a l e d for indicating your battery and as well as it is like a blinking one you know you can keep it aside locati location ah okay yeah kay i like the shape of them i do like the yeah the size and the the shape well well be before ta talking about the money and what is possible and what is not possible maybe anna you can give our give us your okay and maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products both of these 2 yes evalua evaluation and also the evaluation criteria so what what is important to look at okay basically this is what we have talked about already from the marketing point of view we just want to make sure that we have taken into account yep well just do it quickly if if we al already so it is just a shortlist of criteria on the things that we have identified as being important to selling the product we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we will make an evaluation based on that so just average the score of those items so these are the things we identified as being important the 3 things were look and feel innovation and ease of use were the 3 important components appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic and then goin following the company motto following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well so well do you want to go through and put through those on the the 2 products now or do we want to discuss them further and then evaluate them n no why not why not discuss discuss it now okay so f just go through onto the whiteboard i guess not sure how this is going to come out so the 1st one was really very far below budget would you want to take the price down of the end product according to that or just have the high profit on it cause if we are only going to make it for €8 then we have a well my my personal view is w when when this one is €8 we must think how can we improve it and then i mean w w w you must just see it we can still spend this €45 and yep to r because th th th the the selling price is already prite fik quite fixed on €25 so we just have to offer as much as as well value for the for the customer he can have for €25 functionality okay so look and feel innovation and now it easy to use easy to use target and trends 0 you following the idea of using the removable covers on these is that part of both of them or well w w we can still discuss that okay so and together with evaluating this we we might come with new ideas i mean adding things or removing of options because they are too expensive but i have received a framework which we can do this i mean did you have this this excel sheet no no no okay this is these are the the the latest prices of our production production unit for several components no so we can see whether the the price is is within the €1250 okay so maybe we can start with this calling this one okay yep so it is the pink th th this is the 1st design and the other one is green yes okay so look and feel where one is i have broken the pen again there is another pen s yeah get that one w one is bad and 7 is the best sorry one is true and 7 is false one is the best okay so on a scale of one to 7 kay okay so look and feel well you already feel that pretty much i think in i in my opinion purely feel is is is very good is very good in your hand so i i i would consider 2 or or may maybe even one for feel yeah but that is just half we should also consider look and then i it looks quite conventional do not you agree yeah on the scale u it is between functional and fancy basically we are looking at so so maybe 2 ma ma ma ma maybe say say 5 i it is my opinion but i do not know what what well i will give it maybe we have anyways the way we have designed it is like the surf as you say you know yeah it though the look is fine but still i will give 4 in that case you know yeah 4 maybe 4 4 yeah that 44 okay now we th th then we settle on 4 yeah i will gi yeah kay can you maybe fix the other yeah if you press like this not like this then you no that is the ink is dried no c can you get the batteries no no the battery has fallen down that is i battery is low is not it the ink the b that is the that that one yeah battery there but no no it is not that it is how to close a battery okay okay now it should be no i think it is lost a battery try it just try it no it is it would still write but it would not pick it up with the sensors 0 it will not ri is there another battery there 0 yeah you got a 2nd try a well we will not be able to tell yes it it has a perfect is that working did it come out good okay good good because we will be able to see it still even if it was not working it is just a normal whiteboard marker but it would not be picked up on the the actual whiteboard yeah yeah yep okay so then then and the other one wow ah i think it is slightly better it is hard to tell from just the plasticine but i i i when we want to include i i i am doubting about this this component it it it it breaks in your kay maybe no actually this is this is not going to protrude actually it it is n i it is jus okay it is not a button it is a led it is a it is a led actually which which will be covering in a curve ac actually yeah it should be embedded yes i see okay it is will be embedded there so it will not be really you know protruding or something yeah yeah 0 you can push push it again you can push it yeah the other thing is is the left hand one protruding yeah cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand maybe it will not work so well yeah yeah no you it it not protruding actually it will go in better into that okay well r r i would say 2 or 3 for that one personally probably more towards 3 than 2 i think the look is better but the feel is is is worse so so i would also say this is 4 okay but w w do you what do you think it is fine i think my just that the feel is that you right now you you do not see the feel because right for example if you press it quite inside now like this now it is embedded one yeah yes this is how embedded one will yes it basically is the same shape yeah it is a bas basically the same thing actually you will be except that in this c and the l c d makes it better yeah yeah and you might have a slight thing for to forward and yeah yeah okay yeah so i will say 2 yeah it is d it is definitely more fancier than that one yeah yeah yes okay i would say 23 okay yeah so consensus 2 or 3 2 2 yep 2 is good yes looking like kay innovation the 1st one not really muc basically there is no innovation in the 1st one compared to what exists in the market right yeah no but except for the design of the surf do we yeah the surf design what what features are we actually including you should be rea are we including like a location kind of thing like trying to find it no i think it is more of the feel there is nothing like that but th is there any there is no actual innovation in that at all it is just a straight out remote control yeah yeah yeah yeah okay the only innova innovation is the shape yeah say about that okay s so that so there is no this look and feel thing though that is not a technological innovation yeah yeah you are right so i would be up for 7 for innovation yeah and the and the 2nd one is really state of the art in terms of innovation yep and with many more functionalities and can open and close the the bottom part yeah it gives it yes a and the l c d screen is yeah that is that is that is well it is quite innovative and all the scrolling buttons and menu and pro programmable device behind this could put it at one or 2 i would say okay yeah personally yep so what is it what are the innovations with this got the l c d screen yeah automatic speech recognition is that in this one though is this cause this is the no we ha th th there were different options we discussed then we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget we just diske discuss it as you designed it and then we will will try to get it in the budget okay yeah so the cost for these were what was the cost for the 1st one so €8 8 8 well actually we have yeah to check again yeah yeah €8 yeah and this one was €16 yes 16 €16 okay so innovation for this one is 2 one it is a 2 i would say 2 2 w w un to be one what would do we nee actually yeah i do not see okay one would would be without buttons 2 why it is one a man w w yeah well the speech recognition is a very good innovation i believe it so yes bu yeah so maybe we can put one this this is it w with the speech recognition it is using speech recognition yeah okay yeah well gi given that that it works then it is i think one give it a one yeah one yeah yep okay ease of use so the 1st one is really standard so everybody i including our grandmothers can use it right he is used to it act yeah they are used to it actually yep so that is maybe a a 2 for ease of use yeah here there may the other one is quite easy tho though though it has more functionality i think it should not be for the user to learn it actually okay it should not be diffi so maybe a 3 or a 4 yeah actually in fact i think it will be yeah one me we hope maybe sometimes people get scared with the number of buttons yeah but y and there is a like i would say 3 or maybe 4 okay well we have reduced the keys actually you see consensus 3 or 4 3 i would 3 is fine with me yeah yeah because it is n it is not like a big one with 100 buttons or so 3 3 okay yeah it is a actually the user has to put some effort to do use that actually it is not so easy like this one the normal no yeah yes but then when when he is used to it i i it is quite easy is quite easy yeah so so i think th 3 is good initially there there is a lot of effort yeah yeah okay good what is the next so 3 is how well it goes to the target demographic so we are d we are still thinking 20 to 40 year olds so twe 20 to 40 yes that is that is this one would be for grandmothers 0 no this would i i would i would give this model to the old people actually no yeah grandmothers yeah yeah so sh completely changed our demographic there it is not part of the the funky young thing and well exce except for the surfing shape yeah that is true i mean that is that is something which which has an appeal on this group i think but yeah yeah if it was the very bottom price range or it was like between this and another one we did the same thing then i can imagine it being applying to the the demographic yeah yeah that is it is still ye w w w we after this we can can consider for instance making this more attractive to to the demographic cause we have got room we have got some budget there to add a few things to it that is right but as it is now i w would say 6 something yeah 0 yeah do you agree and i well i think yeah because it is so important it is i it was written that it really so important the the the look and taking care of its it targets the right range of people right yeah yeah but but if you sell it in the market it is going to be cheap actually yeah but w but it is going to be cheap whatever though it was set with i we have got a set price so and people can still decide to use the cheaper one yeah instead of a but for us it is yeah we have a constraint that we need to sell at €25 yeah indeed yeah there is nothing that would make me spend an extra k few euros on that one rather than another one th t t yeah ju just think €25 i mean it is not going to be cheaper okay okay so in that case well it is fine then yeah we can yeah okay okay and the demokraphi demographic of the 2nd one and the demographics of it has got the got the the toys in it it has got the l c d screen and yeah tha tha tha tha tha that is i think it is better because of the l c d screen which is really an appeal on the on the on the yeah on the and on the yeah and if you want to target yeah if we we wish to to sell 4000000s of this i think for this audience we need absolutely the l c d screen so the l c d screen attracts yes yeah because it i think especially if we are going to n have an l c d screen on a low range product then that is good yeah ma maybe that is something to consider yes so okay wh what what i would probably go with 3 again for that one yeah i think it is it has more market actually or even even one and 2 y yeah you know 2 no s say t 2 or 2 okay so 2 yeah 2 yeah 2 yeah yeah 2 yeah because tomorrow this will be more appealing because you can add lot of sophistication on that because then you you have it d you have lot of things which you can include for the people to yeah yep and especially i guess cause this has the speech recognition as well and that makes it more appealing it is more of a a new fun toy we have to practically test it the field test will tell you how good yeah okay okay the final point trends and following the trends the trends so the trends were the fruit and vegetables and the spongy feel so as it is not really doing either of them i think spongy that means that it goes in in the water well the spongy could be part of the the feel of the buttons as well i know some have you tried the mobile phones that have got the kinda spongy buttons and not not exactly spongy but i am thinking one of the nokias that has got like you ca it has not got individual buttons it has got just a one bit on it and so you can that feels kinda spongy okay yeah i know but this one includes this feature right spongy buttons yeah we we we we we yeah it is the way they are going to be actually so it is sort of yeah so okay the maybe in the color we can make it fruit and and veggie but that is if you are using the covers and the then we can al yes yeah or is it just one we can we can consider is it possible do you think to to make a cover for s such a phone i mean well they make it for mobiles it can not be that much more complicated but why do you want to cover that actually in that w in the mod well just with the with the flexible plastic so you got the option of having different colors or different textures yeah this is possible y are you sure i th i th i think yeah i think yeah it should be possible like what we do with the mobile phone yeah 00 or just 2 things which can be put on each other yeah exactly like nokia phones yes exactly like it yep so maybe we can but we have to decide it we can put the the the fancy f look of vegetables for instance to to these covers and s now try to invest in the in in the features i think the if we do the cover that is really going with the company is philosophy of having the fashion in in electronics it lets people have the latest fashion even next year when fruit and vegetables might be out you will still be able to put a new cover on it and then it will still be in fashion yeah cause sometimes look at this computer th this laptop it is all black and it is quite conventional and sometimes people do not like too much flashy colors like this one presented here so maybe we could do like in the range the set of what we propose a black one yep very standard one that meets the the requirements of th such people that want really standard things yep and then you have the option of having the different colors different covers yes so so so that that would make the trends equal so we we we really have do not have yeah there is n yeah cause that is the that is the feature that could be included in either of them i mean although it is more with the spongy buttons on the yeah so a a point better for the for the number 2 yes indeed on the other one okay so 2 and 3 or one and 2 yes yeah it is one say say one and 2 one and 2 okay so le le let us see so d this one has spongy but buttons okay yeah it says a yeah the blue one spongy i see yes okay okay so the average of that is good 369 divided by 5 so 5 just add it 9 you know one61 point 367 9 by 51 point s 8 one8 yeah this 111131921 divided by 5 is 42 yep 4 point 42 very good okay but we still got a very different price for those 2 so they are not really comparable yet anyway we we must try to get them closer yeah it is right yeah that is right yep both in i i or we just have to choose wow and adapt because yep when we choose for this one we have to we have to make it more attractive and w when we to d for this one we have to make it more cheap well it is easier to just make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out that will basically take us down to the budget yes well but i am now did y did you work with the same prices that i have here so i i give yeah i just give a call with the manufacturer and i explained them and they told me this could be possible for 16 fr euros unfortunately we did not see this chip matthew so maybe we have to recap with this one yeah yep tha maybe we ought to reconsider everything with this yeah well yes well re reconsider it so let us let us try to to model this this phone in this sheet what kind of energy source i i we did not speak about that it is a it is a normal battery or yeah it migh it it will need more than a conventional one it will not be just maybe you might use a a a battery actually what do you say mael for this one it is a normal battery yes just so one battery kay electronics given speech recognition i think w you should go for the less fancy chip yeah sample speaker yeah yeah yes or sample sensor yes sample yeah this one yes this one okay case so curved double curved yeah right i see i it is double curve yeah it is going to be more than just the biggest case definitely so which one are we talking to are you talking about this or that well either of them 0 yes we are talking about but they have the same shape but actually bu yeah they are both going to be not basic cases so th th this would be double curves yeah kay plastic would be the material yeah the basic one yep is it 0 franc a special color special color now we leave it to the covers so now we are either going button or l c d s l c d display push yes but l c d is it is okay just say l c d is that price per unit or for the whole yeah th now this is per per unit this number of components ah good thing so it would need 12 buttons yeah we might need a scroll wheel right for that no but for this one it is €12 no for that one also there are 12 so 123456789 t yeah that is a scroll yes 12 i believe so this comes to 18 and that is without any special button supplements yeah one scroll wheel you might need so so we would have a special color special form and special material on all of them they are not just standard buttons so i think but th do you agree th that thi wait a minute it is not it is not double curved it is single curved right because it is there is no like yes i but i thought it would be curved on 2 it is like it is curved on the sides and curved on the top and bottom as well that is what i thought yes i am i am no i am no i am not sh sure well it is you know this curve like this so it is w there is only yes i kno undes i understand what you mean yes is is is there is nothing like y you know in the other stuff there are yeah concave you talking about concave curves huh so i think we can put both you think a single curved the single curved in the 16 that makes 17 and what are just the bt buttons we have 12 buttons are you sure yeah yes we have more we have got those the scroll wheel on the side and yeah so i had a bad bad estimate right w d we have we have not talk about a but that is no a is very exp inexpensive i believe but it is not in the list the sc bad estimation we have got a scroll wheel for the volume do not we or is it some other thing that is not on there w ho h is this a scroll wheel or is this a a a sort of button which can be pressed on 2 sides so for higher and lower no no no kay we have only got 5 minutes left guys so we need to wrap it up pretty fast yes a kind of scroll wheel so this is even more than the than the cost you gave the €16 okay so based on that yeah where is the es okay sample speaker that is the sample sensor and sample speaker so but still yeah it we just need that actually we are we need one we we could go for the for the for the for the for a simple chip but then we can not have the the speech recognition yes yes no we cannot yeah so so w when we w a this would this would be cutting the speech recognition so s but the yeah but if you have the near the l c d you can choose select between you know like uni universal between audio t v and v c r and this needs a needs a advanced chip transti right matthew 0 i i it or regular chip i think it is going to be y y yeah it is th with the regular chip yeah i think yeah regular today we you can do that with regular chip say say it is regular regular chip and we still on 15 so yeah okay okay yeah so and what about the number of buttons buttons yes but that maybe my matthew well we can just say one when you look at this w this u item yeah ca l we are just when we just want to to cut the number of buttons we have to make 7 to to fit in in 121250 but so is it possible but that is 7 basic buttons right 7 buttons without any adds on without special colors or form or material that will be then we have have to ask the user to press it several times you cannot make a phone to your boss saying 1250 is really no no he he he i i really low no well so the l c d display is is 3 francs sorry €3 by itself and we do not want to to change that right we we really want a l c d other otherwise we w wouldn not get the market otherwise y you ha you have a s ve very normal thing like this it is evident yeah so €12 50 we got 2 off of the battery we can not do anything about that and i dunno so 1050 if we want an l c d dispra display that is 750 so we have got 750 to use for the case and for the buttons and the chip sorry the chip is up there already so we are going to have to scale this down to get within budget there is no doubt about that a so wha what what each of us think about the because it is measure point the l c d do you think it is important or we could even replace them by buttons actually because sometimes whe when you watch the t v in fact you have a big display and maybe you do not need one more in your hands i dunno i am just asking a actually it depends it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it yep for example if you add 2 more functionalities then better you add 2 more buttons or and you will have l c d display which is that is going to bring the cost by €22 at least yeah i think unless we can really drive these prices down we need to get rid of the l c d display okay so we can get rid of it and then add a couple of buttons yeah it is true yeah but do we want that on the market point of view yeah what do you think l c d is a major feature or i for the price it is going to be what we can afford and it is looking like we can not afford the l c d display there is no way we can get it in there i think we have to come to a decision now just i i think we we what we just do i is vote about the the l c d display so you assume you want a democratic voyt vote right yes okay yes yes okay one man one vote s so who thinks the the l c d disply display should be i should be in it i th i would like t it to be in but i can not see it happening i can not see it fitting in i think but we need to be bu y you are a power voter veto anyway as project manager i know but yeah yeah but the only thing is that what is the multiple functionalities you want to include with that well we have to make a decision now that is it yeah yes so having an l c d s display is just have very very limited amount of buttons is that acceptable ca can i have can the functions be implement in an yes you have you you agree w i i i just so hav hav having 7 buttons instead of 12 yeah so that wou would be cutting cutting suh say about these buttons because one yeah th show me that actually we could in fact we move these 3 buttons and have 3 possibilities for each of the 3 here here one at the middle and at the bottom i think then we we are really losing ease of use okay that will create another problem for the people to use it it is not going to be easy okay okay doing that so i i think we should we should cut the l c d screen that that is that is my opinion no it is okay you cut the l c d screen and introduce 2 more buttons just okay so l c d is out is speech rec out now we have the speech recognition is out yep where l c because of the budget yeah yep okay w we now we can just so are we basically back to the original one now back to the 1st version which turns out to be on budget exactly pretty much yeah with these new costings yes so just look at forget that one and look at that one now yes yeah yes i th i th i think w we just go for this one and that that now €12 is the yep is is the price okay okay my m my supervisor will be glad that it is ¢50 cheaper than he expected well that is that is yep actually yeah we we we will not need the really expert designers because the amount yeah so yeah yep okay so w we can go back and l talk to the suppliers maybe and see if we can drive the prices down to add a few more things in but that is all we can do with the restrictions we have at the moment okay good then we the same thank you okay that was it that is it thanks cool okay" ]

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well when you stay in it is good when you do not stay in you have to redesign there is no no negotiation possible in this matter so we have to consider that good so maybe anna you can have your presentation 0 we have to evaluation until we have a design okay matthew nice great great great well maybe then you can start now with presenting your designs yeah so i will start by the basic one the basic one that fits into €8 actually right 7 €8 and well 1st for both they have a special shape maybe the designer can explain better than me but it is like a surfboard and you are supposed to surf to browse to surf tv maybe the web and it is kind of interesting shape because unconsciously people want to surf ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and also it is not too far from a mobile so people are used to that kind of shape right do not take care too much about the color because yeah so here would be basically the infrared led the on off button in red here would be the volume on the left it is very easy to turn on turn off and so this is a very cheap version so there are maybe you can carry on matthew also so you have browsing the channels actually so you can go up and down the channels if you have a video or something you can forward how can you change from vcr to tv by the way 0 no no this is a single this is a model with just a tv one no no sorry this is a standard tv one we are not talking about that so then we have usually there are 12 keys but we know that we have only 10 digits the extra 2 are for having or giving an option for having more than one channel and the other one is for the teletext or something you want to browse through from that okay so it is a very basic right then it is a very basic minimal thing which you can which is also available in the market actually that is what it is that it is a and it costs us to build it about €80 except for the for the special shape the serving board it has a quite a conventional layout of buttons yeah yeah so this one model and yeah yeah sure yeah like the volume control that is good this is a magic one but right now we do not to talk about that you know it is a very futuristic it is like it is like a brain machine interface and all the stuff we are thinking about in the future it can come so that so that then what we look yeah yeah this is a model yeah i just look how it feels like like like a mobile phone yeah just sign i really want to talk to it yeah but i talk back so but continue with your so well then the this is a more a little smooth and it gives a lot of functionality in this way so all we have you see that there are only 6 keys but do not worry they are doing the job of tool keys actually here and so they have more space actually and it is easy to use this and you have a so this is a standard url infrared eye and then you have a power button which will volume what you have and then other than that you have a channel up and down and the flow pause or slow those yeah suppose or stop and then you can you have an lcd display here and this is a functional thing which can change like it is a toggle switch which could change the function say you play to television yeah you can change it so instead of having many switches and you get feedback via the lcd lcd can display what is that on that and well you can have an integrated microphone over here this is the orange button orange button here so which can basically you want to do a speech recognition and that channel or whatever information can be displayed here directly on the on your display and here is a small led which is like blinking one which tells you like are you running out of the battery and which is going to be useful for the locating as i was talking earlier and well then we have a cover basically basically you do not need much of the time this when you need you can use it and this gives additional fascination that tomorrow you want you can add a tactile thing to this cover crazy design design and but what india when this is closed will it also cover up the lcd screen yeah yeah yeah yeah it is basically to do that but the lcd screen i mean is a very well an eye attracting feature with actually when you are watching the tv when you are watching anything or listening to them you hardly care about what is getting this laid here you know you want to and this gives a protection to the lcd actually giving a cover to that giving a cover to that it gives a protection because when it falls down or something it is more robust that way yeah and you have very good chances it is low weight you have to see the components we put inside is very low weight yeah so the cost is actually a bit more it is 16 francs €16 €16 sorry okay so that is what outside the budget then then it is out of budget the main point we talk about that with our manufacturer and they say basically that the asr system would be something like 3 francs per item €3 €3 sorry and that is on top of the 16 or is it part of that no no part of that yeah part of that so it takes it down to €13 without the speech recognition okay yeah well if you can have if you have new more ideas we can add some more keys if you want to you know i think yeah we should stick with a number of keys because if we add too much then yeah it is not cluttering up everything what is this one on the side that is what the it is kind of an led for indicating your battery okay and as well as it is like a blinking one you know you can keep it aside i like the shape of them i do like the size and the shape before talking about the money and what is possible and what is not possible maybe anna you can give us your okay maybe we run the evaluation on both of the products both of these 2 yes an evaluation and also the evaluation criteria so what is important to look at basically is what we have talked about already from the marketing point of view we just want to make sure that we have taken into account well just do it quickly if we all already so it is just a short list of criteria on the things that we identified as being important to selling the product we just go through these and rate them as a group and then at the end we will make an evaluation based on that so i just average the score of those items so these are things we identified as being important the 3 things were look and feel innovation and ease of use the 3 important components appealing to the correct demographic so using those things in the right way to appeal to our demographic and then following the company motto following the fashion trends and putting that into the product as well so do you want to go through and put those on the the 2 products now or do you want to discuss them further and then evaluate them no why not discuss it now okay so i have just got thrown on the whiteboard i guess i am not sure this is going to come out so the 1st one was really very far below budget would you want to take the price down of the own product according to that or just have a high profit on it it was we are only going to make it for €8 and we have a well my personal view is when this one is €8 we must think how can we improve it and then i mean you must just see it as we can still spend this €45 and because the selling price is already quite fixed on €25 so we just have to offer as much as value for the customer he can have for €25 he has looking for innovation go on now it is easy to use easy to use audience audience target and trends are we following the idea of using the removable covers on these is that part of them or we can still discuss that okay so and together with evaluating this we might come with new ideas i mean adding things or removing options because they are too expensive but i have received a framework which we can do this i mean did you have this did you have this excel sheet no no okay these are the latest prices of our prediction unit for several components so we can see whether the price is within the €1250 so maybe we can start with this calling this one yeah that is the think this is the 1st design another one is green yes okay so look and feel well one is a broken the pen again there is another pen yeah i get that one one is bad and 7 is the best so one is true and 7 is false one is the best okay feel well you already feel it pretty much i think felt yeah in my opinion purely feel is very good yeah it is very good in your hand so i would consider 2 or maybe even one for feel but that is just half we should also consider look and then it looks quite conventional do not you agree on the scout it is between functional and fancy basically we are looking at so say say 5 it is my opinion but i do not know what to do it we have anyway the way we have designed it is like the surf as we say you know it does a look is fine but still i would give 4 in that case yeah 4 maybe 4 yeah then we settle on 4 yeah i would give yeah can you maybe fix the other yeah if you press like this not like this when you no it is the ink strad no you can you get the batteries no no battery has fallen down that is the ink there is that that one yeah the battery there no no it is not that it is how to close a battery okay yeah no it should be useful no i think it is lost a battery right it is right it is right it is still right but it would not pick it up with the sensors is there another battery there 0 yeah you got a 2nd try 0 we will not be able to tell yes it has a perfect is that working did it come out good good because we will be able to see it still even if it was not working it is just no whiteboard marker that would not be picked up on the actual whiteboard yeah okay so then then the other one wow i think it is slightly better it is hard to tell from the past scene but i when we want to include i am doubting about this this component it breaks in your no actually this is not this is not going to protrude actually it is not a button it is a lead it is a lead actually which will be coming in a curve actually yeah it should be embedded it should be embedded there so it will not be really you know protruding or something you can push it yeah the other thing is is the left hand one protruding because if people are left handed then on these other hands yeah it will not work so well no it is not protruding actually you will go embedded into that well i would say 2 or 3 for that one personally probably more worse 3 than 2 i think the look is better but the feel is worse so i would also say this is 4 okay but what do you think it is fine i think no it is just that the feel is that you right now you do not see the feel because i do not follow in them but if you press it quite inside now like this now it is embedded one this is how the embedded one is it basically is the same shape yeah it is the best basically the same thing actually you will be except that in this city makes it better yeah and you may have a slight thing for to follow yeah it is definitely more fancy than that one yeah okay i would say 2 or 3 so consensus 2 or 32 yes okay innovation the 1st one not really much basically there is no innovation in the 1st one compared to what exists in the market no except for the design of the surf yeah what features do we actually include are we including like a location kind of thing i try to find it i do not know i think it is more of the field but there is no actual innovation of that at all it is just a straight out remote control yeah the only innovation is the shape yeah so there is no that is a looking fielding though it is not a technological innovation so i would be up for 7 for innovation and the 2nd one is really a state of the art in terms of innovation and with many more functionalities can open and close the button bot yeah it is an lcd screen yeah that is well quite ineof of the squalling buttons and menu and programmable device behind this you could put it at one or 2 i would say okay so what is the innovation this got the lcd screen screen yeah automatic switch recognition is that in this one though is this because this is the no though 2 different options we discussed then we discussed the one that was in budget the one that was out of budget we just discussed it as you designed it and then yeah try to the cost for these were what was the cost for the 1st €18 well actually we have to check again yeah and this one was 16 years okay so innovation for this one is 21 is that too i would say 2 to be one what would do we need actually i do not see okay one would be without button yeah with the speech recognition it is a very good innovation i believe so it is with the speech recognition the speech recognition it is using speech recognition well given that it works yeah yeah then it is ice one okay easy abuse so the 1st one is really standard so everybody is used to it yeah yeah they are used to it yeah so that is maybe a 2 for ease abuse here the may the other one is quite easy though it has more functionality i think it should not be for the user to learn it actually so maybe a 3 or 4 yeah actually in fact i think it will be yeah maybe sometimes people get scared with the number of buttons yeah but like i would say 3 and 4 well we have reduced the key actually if you see 3 or 4 3 i would 3 it is fine because it is not like a big one with 100 buttons actually the user has to put some effort to do use that actually it is not so easy like this one the normal yeah but then when he is used to it it is quite easy it is quite easy initially there there is a lot of effort okay good what is the next so how well it goes to the target demographic so we are still thinking 20 to 40 year olds 20 to 40 yes this one would be be for grandmothers no this would i would give this model to the old people like that yeah grandmothers yeah so she is completely changed our demographic there it is not part of the funky young thing well except for the surfing shape i mean that is that is something with as an appeal on this group if it was the very bottom price range it was like between this and another one we did the same thing then i can imagine it being applying to the demographic yeah but it is still after this we can consider can consider for instance making this more attractive to the democracy see i have got room got some budget there to add a few things to us right but as it is now i would say 6 yeah do you agree yeah because it is so important it was written that it really so important the look and taking care of it targets the right range of people yeah i yeah but if you sell it in the market it is going to be cheap actually yeah but it is going to be cheap whatever though it was set with it and people can still decide to use a cheaper one yeah instead of a but for us it is yeah we have a concern that we need to sell €25 yeah yeah there is nothing that would make me spend an extra few euros in that one rather than another one just think €25 i mean i am going to be cheaper okay so in that case well it is fine then you can okay and the demographic of the 2nd one the demographic is all it has got the toys in it it has got the lcd screen i think it is better because of the lcd screen which is really an appeal on the on the on the on the on the on the yeah and if you want to target yeah if we we wish to to sell 4000000s of this i think for this audience we need absolutely the lcd screen so the lcd screen attracts yeah i think especially if we can have an lcd screen in a low range product then that is good yeah maybe that is something to consider okay so what what what i would probably go with 3 again for that one yeah i think it is a it has more market even one and 2 yeah you know say 22 yeah because tomorrow this will be more appealing because you can add a lot of investigation on that because then you have it you have a lot of things which you can include for the people and especially i guess this is the speech recognition as well and that makes it more appealing more of a new fun toy we have to practically test it the field test will tell you yeah how good okay you find a and the trend so the trends were fruit and vegetables and there is bungee feel so as it is not really doing either of them i think spongy that means that it goes in the water well spongy could be part of the field of the buttons as well i know some if you try the mobile phones that have got the kind of spongy buttons not exactly spongy but i am thinking one of the nokia is that has got like you can have got individual buttons it has got just a one bit on it and so you can that feels kind of spongy this one includes this feature right buttons yeah yeah so they are going to be okay and maybe in the color we can make it fruit and veggie but that is if you using the covers and then we can or is this yes we can we can consider is it possible do you think to to make a cover for such a phone i mean well the makeup in my walls it can not be that much more i do you want to cover that actually in this a more just with it with a flexible plastic so you got the option of having different colors or different textures this is possible are you sure yeah i think it should be possible like what we do with them or just 2 things which can be put on each other yeah exactly like nokia yeah yeah so maybe we can but we have to decide it we can put the fancy look of vegetables for instance to these covers and now try to invest in the features i think that if we do the covers it is really going with the company is philosophy of having the fashion in electronics it lets you follow the latest fashion even next year when fruit and vegetables might be out you will still be able to put a new cover on it and then it will still be in fashion because sometimes look at this computer this laptop it is all black and it is quite conventional and sometimes people do not like too much flashy colors like this one presented here so maybe we could do like in the range in the set of what we propose a black one very standard one that meets the requirements of such people that want really standard things and then you have the option of having the different colors so that would make the trends equal so we really have yeah that is the that is the feature that could be included in either of them although it is more with the spongy buttons on the yes a point better for the okay so 22 and 3 or one or 2 yes yeah it is say say one and 21 12 okay so this one has sponcy buttons yeah it is yeah the blue one are spongy okay so the average of that is 3 6 9 about 5 so one6 one5 one8 yeah one8 yeah this one 11 13 19 21 5 is 42 42 very good okay but we are still at a very different price for those 2 so they are not really comparable yet anyway we must try to get them closer or we just have to choose and adapt because when we choose for this one we have to make it more attractive and when we choose for this one we have to make it more cheap well it is easy to make that one cheaper by just taking the speech recognition out that will basically take us down to the budget but i am now did you work with the same prices that i have here so i gave yeah i just gave a call with the manufacturer and i explained them and they told me this could be possible for €16 unfortunately we did not see this shit matthew so maybe we have to recap with this one maybe you had to reconsider everything with this yeah well yes well you reconsider it so let us try to model this phone in this heat what kind of energy source we did not speak about that it is a normal battery or yeah it might it will need more than a conventional one it will not be just maybe you might use an aa battery actually what do you say for this one it is a normal battery yes so one battery okay electronics now given speed recognition i think you should go for your advanced chip yeah sample speaker yeah or sample sensor yes sample yeah this one yes this one okay case so cloud double code yeah i see double card yeah it is going to be more yeah it is going to be more than just the basic case definitely so which one are we talking to how are you talking about these or that 0 yes we are talking about it but they have the same shape but they are both going to be not basic cases so this would be double carved yeah okay plastic would be the basic one 0 franc special color special color special quality or now we leave to the covers so now we are going push button or lcd display yes it is okay just say acd display is that price per unit or for the whole yeah now this is per unit there is a number of components we may need a scroll we will write for that no for this one it is 12 no for that one also the alternative so yeah that is a scroll 23456789 yes well i believe so this comes to 18 and that is without any special button supplements yeah one is called really my need so so we would have special color special form and special material and all of them they are not just on the buttons so i think but did do you agree i mean it is not double curved it is single curve right because it is there is no like but i thought it would be curved on too so it is curved on the size and curved on the top of bottom as well that is what i thought yes i understand what you mean you know this curve like this it is there is only there is nothing like you know in the other stuff you are talking about concave yeah concave so i think we can put a single curve you think it is a single curve 16 that makes 17 and what is it the buttons we have 12 buttons are you sure yeah we have more we have got the scroll on the side so i had a bad bad estimation we have not talked about a lead but that is not that a let is very inexpensive i believe but it is not in the list we have got a scroll wheel for the volume do not we or is it some other thing that is not on there is this a scroll wheel or is this a sort of button which can be pressed on 2 sides so for higher and over okay we have only got 5 minutes left guys so we need to wrap it up pretty fast yes you can score it so this is even more than the cost you gave the 16 cost you gave the €16 ok so based on that yeah where is the a so simple speaker that is the sample sensor and a sample speaker so we just need that actually we need one we need one we could go for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the for the yes yes no we yeah so when we but this would be cutting the speed recognition yeah but if you have the near the lcd you can choose select between you know you know universal between audio tv and vcr and this needs advanced chip right i think it is going to be regular chip i think it is going to be regular yeah regular yeah you can do that with the regular ship yeah regular chip okay still 15 so so and what about the number of buttons buttons yes that maybe well we can just say matthew when you look at this item yeah when we just want to cut the number of buttons we have to make a 7 to fit in 1250 so is it possible but the 7 basic buttons or 7 buttons without any ads on without special colors or form or material well we have to ask the user to press it 7 you are going to make a phone to your boss saying to your boss saying 2050 is really so the lcd plays is 3 francs sorry €3 by itself and we do not want to change that right we really want lcd otherwise we would not get the market otherwise you are very normal thing like this yeah so 12 euro 50 we got 2 off of the battery we can not do anything about that so 1050 if you want else you display that is 750 so we have got 750 to use for the case and for the buttons and the chip so the chips up there already so we are going to have to scale this down to get within budget there is no doubt about that other things about the because it is a major point the lcd you think it is important 0 we could even replace them by buttons sometimes when you watch the tv in fact you have a big display and maybe you do not need one more in your hands i do not know i am just i actually it depends what kind of functionalities you want to add into it yeah for example if you add 2 more functionality then better you add 2 more buttons there instead of lcd display which is that is going to bring the cost by €2 at least unless we can really drive these prices down we need to get rid of the lcd display okay so we can get rid of it and then add a couple of buttons do we want that on the market point of view yeah what do you think lcd is a major feature for the price it is going to be what we can afford and it is looking like we can not afford the lcd display there is no way we can get it in there i think we have to come to a decision now i think what we just do is vote about the lcd display so you assume you want a democracy vote yes just one man one vote so who thinks the lct display should be in it i would like to be in but i can not see it happening i can not see it getting in i think but we did 2 be you have power a veto anyway as project manager no yeah but the only thing is that what is the multiple functionalities you want to include with that well we have to make decision now yes so having an lcd display is just have very limited amount of buttons is that acceptable can your functions be implemented in yes you agree so having 7 buttons instead of 12 yeah so it would be cutting say about these buttons because one yeah show me that actually we could in fact remove these 3 buttons and have 3 possibilities for each of the 3 here here one at the middle and at the bottom i think then we are really losing ease of years okay create another problem for the people to use it it is not going to be easy okay so i think we should cut the lcd screen that is my opinion no it is okay you cut the lcd scene and introduce 2 more buttons okay so lcd is out the speech track out now the speech recognition is out yeah where else because of the budget yeah yeah okay can just so are we basically back to the original one now back to the 1st version which turns out to be on budget exactly pretty much yeah with these new costings yes so just look at forget that one and look at that one now yeah yeah i think we just go for this one and that that now €12 is there yeah it is right okay okay my supervisor will be glad that it is ¢50 yeah actually yeah so we would not need the really expert designers because the amount yeah so we can go back and talk to the supplies maybe and see if we can drive the prices down to add a few more things in but that is all we can do with the restrictions we have at the moment okay good then we have for the same thank you okay that was it that is it thanks cool so get done so get them finally the design i need my next to my sheets" ]

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[ "so is it correct or no oops you never know whether you have got these things on right or not you never know whether they are on right or not yeah yeah well so we hope feels wrong okay so i do not need that okay okay so david came in to me and to say i something we had been talking about for a while was some stuff i had been working on about using these topic models with with networks with n things with links between them documents that are linked n it is actually it is related to rapple the rapple also no but it is not actually that th this is something i have not actually been working on for a couple of months now just because i came up with something more interesting that i have been working on okay but th at the time basically i had been trying to use p l s a and those types of models on web pages and that came up with a big problem in that most web pages have very very little text on them but you can tell what they are about based on the other texts on the site the texts on the things they are linked to so what i wanted to know was can you combine the topic models that the pages that have lots of text on them with something else that that tells you what a page that has no or very little text on it based on the links yeah with the link here in so quite simply if you have a page one which is like a home page and that will maybe have 5 links and a picture on it and then because it links to page 2 and page 3 can you tell what this is about yeah yeah so i started looking at google page rank which kinda does this by saying well the links go the other way it says if this page is about fish or in google they say if this page is good in some way and it links to this other page and we do not know what this is then that page is more likely to be good and it is just page rank is just a simple algorithm for doing this over the whole big network so i wanted to combine the topic models that tell you beforehand what you think this page and this page are about with this to maybe get a better idea so the idea is say you have got some text on a page that is only part of the picture about what of what the page is really about and the links pointing to that page are also part of the picture so i basically came up with an algorithm that is just a i it plugs p l s a plugs page rank into p l s a right so page rank you basically just d say you basically take the how good this page is which is x and how good this page is which is y and you then say this page is based on how do you do this based on the the links coming into it it is just a like a sum over all the the links of well x link i guess of the value yeah 0 of of the value of the previous r page rank or of the the but it is not it is yeah if if so if this is page rank of x page rank of y okay i think this is roughly it off hand page rank of z so you say page rank of z is equal to one over a constant to normalize it sum over all the links into z of page rank of the link yeah tha it is like that yeah so similar idea if you got a vector that says what the topics are say you have learned from p l s a a d a distribution of topics for every page so if you say a probability of topic one for for page z is equal to and you can use the same sort of thing right so nicking a whole bunch of maths from how you work out page rank it comes up with just an iterative algorithm which is just the current probability of topic one given z so that is probability old plus okay i yeah plus that and then you normalize between them so you say alpha and one minus alpha yeah okay so w basically what you are saying here one minus alpha say link contribution you can call this i guess so what you are saying is that a page is partly from its text that you have got on the page and it is partly from what the links say it is about so that alpha thing is how much do you trust the text on the page and how much do you trust the links huh so that alpha could be different for every page so what i did then was try this on a big database of web pages okay and i had some results from that but they were all on temp 2 so that is not important right now but as it is not really important i can regenerate that the problem was that this gives you a new vector of topics for every page so you have got 2 vectors you have got the one that you have just got from p l s a or whatever model and you have got the one that you get from this how do you tell which one is better i had no way to evaluate this well how do you tell that this page because you do not know where the topics are cause they are learned automatically so huh yeah so wait i do not get it you you have 2 representation one which comes from this link stuff and one f this one is not based on p l s a too it it is yeah because b yeah you initialize it with actually thi this is kinda wrong yeah it is the initialisation of okay y this is not old but start this is how you this is how you you start it off a t yeah okay yeah but then it is iterative so this this is what p l s a gives you to start with and then you iterate this and it becomes something else yeah yeah okay okay okay okay so you you should 1st train the p l s a stuff then you initialize this link spreading thing and then you iterate over okay yeah that is it exactly yeah and it converge and so you have the boost initial p l s a and p l s a plus the link thing then exactly yeah so you have now got you have got p l s a gives you 2 probabilities right so it gives you a probability of a topic given a document which is z given d and a probability of a word given a topic yeah so this is the same for both models yeah yeah 0 this is is frozen frozen okay well yeah what you do is you are taking this and iterating over it the probability of the topic given the document ah okay so have i made that clear i am i am not sure if i am explaining this well yeah yeah it is okay yeah okay right so y i you m so th yeah you you you were saying that you would like to evaluate that now yeah so we were struggling at how do you evaluate this yeah right because i mean if you look at the way that p l s a and all those kind of models have been evaluated it is th they never quantitative quantitatively do anything they always say well look at the clustering there is here we have got some documents that all appear to be about the same thing perplexity and here is where we get some other documents that all appear to be about the same thing and you can not really tell exactly how good that is you can just get an idea that it is yeah or they use the perplexity on the the likelihood to say 0 good this likelihood is is it is smaller than the other yeah yeah so tha that is the 1st thing th that thing when i spoke to you about this you suggested d use the likelihood and pedro came up with a really good example why that could be bad so you have you have the 0 let me thing of what this was it was to do with cars basically if you have you have a topic that is representing cars and you can tell that that is representing cars by looking at this distribution and it is the same for both now you want to tell which i i this page pedro is example of what it was is that is says on the page lotus elise okay and that no f i can not i just remember it was a really can you ig remember what it was 0 no re no i do not even remember the the you said i would tell you that evaluation should be done based on likelihood or perplexity no okay yeah i did not really consider doing it on perplexity actually that to be honorable but okay well it is bu yeah it is basically the same but it is the same but but maybe you you could have some some other labelli li or the task like if if you imagine you have some labeling on of of the web pages like like like for example you you look at at at at at a set of pages i dunno yeah another task or and you have the m the directory entries of these pages so so f like yahoo or entries okay so you have categories and and entries so for example you have i dunno cars s u v etcetera so what you would like would be that 2 pages on in the same category should be closer than than 2 pages being spread across different categories is that fair though because i think one of the things with these topic models is that you do not know you can not make them cluster but you you would not use this you will not use the yahoo directory or n the directory in the training step of i of the model okay yeah okay this is something you have just for evaluation and then for example you you your task would be to say i have some page and and i know where it is in the in the in the directory and i have another page i do not know where it is and i would like to to know whether it is in the same category as the 1st one just by comparing their aspects i it is making the assumption that this human categorisation is related to the one that is discovered yeah if they have the same yeah so basically what you would like to check if is is is there some similarity in the in the in the aspect distribution tells me something about the sim the the fact that they could be on the same category in the the this end end label categories yeah okay and that is is that really fair though can you say that if a set of documents if the clustering of these documents is closer to the effecti what you what you have got there is a clustering of documents a as your devaluation yeah 0 yeah yeah yeah thi this these labels the yahoo categories that is that is a clustering yeah yeah yeah so you are by saying that this clustering is closer to that clustering is is does that necessarily mean that it is better no but no no no i no no no no it is does not have to be that if if you use the latent representations or distribution over aspects no no no no no how would you could use this to save 2 documents in the same directory or not and this you should be able to evaluate then so so so w what what you would have have basically would be to have a directory which give you labels for some part of the documents okay okay so this is a directory and this is some some some some web page okay so the labeled one okay and you have some page which are unlabelled but you have links between those 2 so what what you would do is that you would try and p l s a and and and use a model over that then then you would like to for example what f what could be very simple would be just to then to match each pages like that so let us say you have you have a a page which is labeled and you say okay the the label page 2 should get should be the one w which it is the most similar to or any kind of classification rules you can imagine and so and so you say okay what what is if i from from this page which have the similar so so the the criterion would be to compare those 2 distribution okay and then and then you would like to assign to this document too where you do not know the labels the same one as this one and and here that you use only for test so this is your then you can evaluate how wrong you are or cu how close you are from the real assignment the right directory category kay but i have the feeling i in in this way i think it is fair if you kn if you know only if you know only that and that and what you would like to discover is this this is a r like a real task like like if if if this directory company would like to extend this directory to new pages without the hassle of having human labeling but in this case you you have to use the label one yeah yeah you have t you use this one your los you you only have the labels for some small part of the but how does it enter in that we i think your point was that you you train this without labeling 1st yeah so i i you have to train your so you you would train it you this is this is t t all all those links are known your training data the links between some labeled document and unlabelled document yeah but the point is that you should change in a way that to take the label into account or not i d i think you can do it as a 2 step process okay 1st you you train well maybe s it wou could be better if if if you take it into account but but maybe you can you can do just a 2 step process 1st one you have this unsupervised task over both p l and p u okay okay and then you from these unsupervised starts you can know which document of p l is close from the document of p u or the reverse yeah and you can infer some label to a document of p l clearly wha we we had done these you can train after that an s v m saying this is category one or 2 on the label document and then we will have an unlabelled document and you just say this is directory one or 2 and if it should improve it if you say this feature extraction process is better than you can have a better cleaner separation between those 2 well th yeah the the thing that worries me about this approach is that say the really really really simple example of this where your directory had 2 categories in it good and bad yeah yeah yeah and and and you run p l s a on it now that does not do it good and bad it does i dunno english and french pages so they do not match but the clustering is still very good in in one respect but but you you can extend that up even if you have a 100 categories yeah well but p l s a can find a 100 clusters that are a good clustering but are completely unrelated to the directory yeah well but i mean if you have to judge it is with respect to a given task i mean you can not say of course it is always good because it is maximizing the likelihood of whatever no but w but but what i want to know i is that which of them has the better representation of a given page yeah but so so given a random page and these 2 models and the wo the words that these 2 models give which is more likely to yeah yeah yeah but but here you can you you say given a random page of p u which of those 2 model is more likely to to to to to say for example that thi the page of p l which is the most similar so you so so from this so you take any distribution comparison things so so hoffmann in his paper was doing just cosine similarity but you can do anything so so you just compare those 2 distributions so of d one and d 2 okay and so with that you can you can determine for example for a document 0 of the set 2 to the most similar so you you you you select d one so in this set which is the most similar to d 2 according to the distribution from one or the other model and then and then for this document you automatically assign to it the label of the document one and you check with this which is your your your if you are right or not this is what what this is very related to what frank did with the with the keyword image annotation okay yeah it is the same so you would have a set of keywords the set of image label with keywords and he has a set of unlabelled image with some and it would check whether the the label he assigns so in this case annotation word h are correct and i think it is fair it is fair setup yeah okay fus so maybe this classification rule is not the best there there is some might be some work to do but the general idea i think it is it is fair evaluations it is a task s okay i am i am just n concerned that that is that that is it is answering a question that evaluates in some way but maybe not in the way that that can be dep well that maybe not is the same way i was thinking but maybe it is a better way so what i mean by that is that sorry i am trying to process all this yeah yeah i it is the same thing like it it does tell you whether this which clustering is better for this task yeah but it does not tell you which clustering better represents the pages necessarily no but according to this directory yeah but i but it it is it you you could say that it possibly doe it probably does yeah cause i do not think there is any way to say generally this this is better or worse no yeah okay the the there is not v perfect clustering clus wh what is the how do you judge what is a good clustering i i i think it is w yeah yeah it has to be re it has to be really to with respect to this this clustering makes sense or i dunno yeah yeah what is good with the directory is that you have a good coverage of various topic humans humans can label but then if you want to detect different languages this is another task i think the task of this latent model is to discover some some semantic like some topic proximity between documents and here this la this directory is doing the same thing like associating some topics with some documents manually so comparing them is is is is good setup with respect to the goal yeah i and you are not exactly compar you are comparing them i compare those 2 like the p l s a and the one over this same task of assigning good directory ah okay okay yeah yeah yeah i do not know if if it if it will provide good result result or not but it is clearly a benchmark for those 2 goals yeah you can e even keep the bag of words and do the cosine comparison or also like a baseline yeah on on the infra yeah yeah just showing just showing how just 1st how better this is with respect to bag of words and hopefully then how you new regularized p l z given d is yeah like bag 0 yeah yeah you can have tree setups yeah i dunno just yeah it is basic okay yeah basic cosine over the p of t given d so over all this empirical distribution and the 2 aspect models but i think you m you still not combi we have to repeat over and over yeah no i th i am i am coming round to it actually no i am so i i i think i g i i get it this is like advertisement no no but it is another no no it is joke i i th i think it probably is fair i am just i i have gotten uncomfortable with it but i think that will go if i think about it enough no it is jus but but yeah the it it but it just seems a little suspect yeah but i think that is just from the whole point that you can not tell which clustering is b better yeah yeah yeah just know where but what i would thought before was could you get people to evaluate this by by hand basically this is really yeah yeah could you give people a set of pages and like say you did it with 5 topics for example yeah now you give people 5 sheets you give a t a a user 5 sheets of paper each with words in varying sizes representing the probability of that topic for example yeah try give the user these pieces of paper to get an idea of what these topics are that is this p of w given z yeah and then you give them some pages and say which one would you which piece of paper would you put that with yeah and then you get like an intuitive ide like how would a person cluster pages given the what these topics supposedly are yeah cause i you have got something that is fixed the the p of w given z with respect to both models yeah so i was tr i was hoping you could use that to but the point is that the z the the the aspect like the z are are are come unsupervisely it is it is more like if you were giving the people you you said to them okay divide me this bunch of documents into 5 topics and you do not give them the topics a priori you know so the 2 person could come up with very different one is very interesting i in in fact i i have seen a paper in i c m l where the guy was trying to learn which word he aspects of clustering so i give you i give the real users the person a bunch of marbles and they begin to say okay and they have to divide it in 5 group and in the end it is not al it is it is always different to the clustering each people has because it is completely subjective yeah okay but in but there is some characteristic that are for transparency color which are features that made the clustering that can be extracted even if the clustering it is always different yeah right yeah okay so i i think i think it is yeah so so that is only to say that it is it can be really infinitive clustering see the the thing about web pages i thought as well in that getting humans to evaluate it in some way is that you have most of the web pages that are well a lot of the web pages that are important in some way are are are home pages so google dot com does not actually say the words search on it i think i maybe it says go but you only know it is about search through the thing but someone looking at it can tell that it is a search engine because of the way it is laid out because of the pictures on it and because of all of that yeah there is a lot of information that is completely lost in this bag of words representation and i was hoping that in some way you could use that to evaluate this yeah i have no idea how but yeah say another another example apart from this search i do not get it exactly what you mean then do not do not use a google page because it is too s root but another page but eve ev even someone would would provide very different labels like like someone would say it is a page in english someone would say it is a it is a it is a it is a it is a web page wh which has very few information in it or anything so i think there is no hard clustering and what is good with those model is that they they can they they are intended to provide you some some kind of way to compare 2 documents rather than to give you pre defined sets of documents yeah this is not hard clustering the 0 i i do not think 111 aspect or one latent topic has any sense by his own yeah yeah it is when you have the word set and the word distribution that you c you can tell something if you just take one of them alone so you take all the p of z given d and all of the p of w given giv given z you you you can do anything with that it is it is the whole set i would say an an and this is 0 it it should be evaluated meaning that like for example the the example about marbles is that the point what you can learn from all these sets made by people is that is that those 2 those 2 marble would be consider as more likely to be in the same sets because they they share some common properties which are not seen as the same for every one but they share some common properties that people will notice and if you look at the 2 the d all possible pairs of marble yeah you would have some mu much more agreement between people than than if you look at the predefined sets people would would just cut at some precise point you know what is okay i think i know it but it yeah thi this is effectively what we have here though and th that directory is one clustering of the marbles yeah and you are hoping that it it so what you are saying is that i have 2 clusterings of marbles for my 2 models yeah and i have a test clustering of marbles it is saying that one of these is more close to the test t t to the the one that we have been given well you do not you do not really have 2 clustering no no no no you do not you do not really have 2 clustering no it does is that it is saying that what does that actually say 0 it is not that that does not it says it is g better for this task but it does not really say anything else yeah no no no no you do not have 2 clustering of of of marbles it does not have to match what you have is y is you have is you have one clustering of marble which is this one and then you have lots of people telling you i consider those marbles as very have to have very salient feature that they share in common i i c i would like them to be in the same cluster and you c and and and those 2 so and one of them is labeled and the other is not labeled okay so you look at that you say 0 someone told this one was very similar and this one is said to be blue for example i dunno if it is the label so i put it in the blue bag okay but but you do not you never use the blue bag you do not ask the people to look at the blue bag you just look at the people you you just have the people to compare those 2 marbles and then it happens that some of them have been clustered and and people being your algorithm that is the point yeah yeah yeah yeah this is i reverse both role it is getting but yeah it just re okay the this is the players and so and so if i get that right what what the algorithms are still coming up with is in this way you are looking at a clustering of marbles yeah if each of the algorithms comes up with a defin i i no no no no no it comes up with not with the clustering but with some way to compare 2 marbles okay some would say would say i consider those 21s are completely dissimilar and the other ones say they are very similar ah okay right that makes sense yeah and if you find that in your unl unlabelled clustering those 2 balls marbles happen to be in the same cluster you said the user algorithm might be wrong but you average that over lots of documents okay because the the latent aspects really does not have to match the final directory category exactly it can be anything but it is just a way of saying yeah those documen documents are similar in some sense so we are not trying to to fit yeah okay is it just it just sometime dangerous to say th these latent aspects means this okay yeah i think yeah i am convinced i am convinced alright good good good so it is good right alright well thanks i am trying to think of anything i have not said about the stuff but that from looking at the results i got it looked quite good just like hand reading them in that one of the things i did was i started a i a web crawl at the idiap homepage it did not very many pages only like 2000 or something like that but enough to get the pages that were close to idiap to have a lot of links between them so that there was enough to be able to run this link clustering algorithm so what you find is that the pages around idiap there is a lot of english pa speaking pages and a lot of french speaking pages so of course this p l s a completely separated those out into into categories so when i looked at the the word likelihoods there were 2 topics one was very clearly english words that most likely word was the and one was very clearly french words most likely words was de i think and you had onl 2 topics no i had many topics or no yeah the others looked like garbage could not tell what they might have been but anyway tha that is often the case yeah when you look at it you can tell very clearly that one or 2 topics are a b not the rest yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and the others usually do not mean anything yeah yeah yeah it is they make sense only so global optimisation the likelihood is optimisable globally over the whole aspects etcetera so it is it is you never ask the model to do hard clustering of documents you just ask it to find a distribution over aspects such that a document is more likely according to the restriction that the number aspe aspect is limited and and so it the it just makes sense on the looking at the whole set so y i think all evaluation should take that into account and look at the whole aspect set ok like here you look at the aspect set because you look at the similarity of 2 distribution an any saint any kind of thing you where you un unfold the model and look at it manually looks weird like like in those hoffmann papers where show you columns with words or things that w anyway that when i run it on that what i found was looking through some of the sites i looked for the sites that the models differed on that where one said it was probably an english phrase and the other said it was probably a french phrase and i found a good few examples where you had a site that looked well one that i remember off hand was it was a page and it was a big picture and links down the site but the links were all pictures so you could not the the words were in french and the links but there were no words picked up by the when i did the crawl for the model and there was a small bit down here and in this there was meant to be picture in there but it did not load or b it was meant to be something else and it said in english it said 404 this page cannot be found so all the words on this page were english but it was very very clearly a french page so the 1st model said it was an english page cause all the words were in english 2nd model said very definitely a french page because all of these pointed to french sites and it was only pointed to it was something dot f r as well it was linki okay okay it is okay so it was a a good point for you yeah for your model good so i i found a couple of examples that were kinda like that like this yeah okay but the the problem that i found when i ran it the th the thing that was a bad point was that if you have say tryin i was trying to say if you could evaluate this with search given some keywords like which model would more likely find you a p good document that that sort of approach what i found was that say you had th tha that is not too relevant necessarily but if you have say a topic distribution for one page and it very very highly scores on the p l s a for one of the the topics and that is right okay this model because it is averaging out over all the pages nearby all of the topic distributions become more flat it it becomes more uncertain about everything okay so i do not know if that is necessarily a good thing or not yeah probably not yeah yeah in in some cases it is going to be a bad thing b because ev every page is linked by the way the algorithm works yeah every page is linked eventually to everything else so it every page has information incorporated in it or i the distribution learned for every page has information incorporated in it from every other page is distribution as well so it averages out it flattens all the distributions depending on what this alpha is yeah yeah yeah but also it depends on that could be a good effect and because if you if you can be if you can if you are highly reliable about one page but all the page linking to it are actually about very different topics so you could say maybe i was wrong from deciding only due to the text that this page was about this aspect distribution because because all the other pages are voting in different direction well i i think that the thing is while there is a balance yeah that that there is a balance in the for example take a page like slashdot and it is like a news site for geeks and you have nerds yeah nerd nerd news for nerds stuff that matters yeah all of the like 100s of 1000s of pages point to that but they are about completely different things so you in effect are losing information about what that page is about because there is so many things pointing to it and they all average out as yeah this alpha i can it be dependent of the of the document yeah so that and how many text is in it or something yeah th that is my 1st idea w was how i set this i remember for the lotus thing was not there so i thought you want to probably set this alpha per page there is probably some heuristics for example this page there is no text in it will set it very low in user information for the links so problem is this is what pedro immediately said what if you have a page that looks like this it has got a big picture of a car pedro is always speaks about cars yeah cars and web anyway and it says lotus elise so you know that it is definitely about car but it is only got 2 words so you can not just do it by words because those 2 words completely specify into something or other su you suggested doing likelihood but at that time and i can not remember what my problem was with that it might not have been a good thing but you have got 2 likelihoods for it as well but i think for any kind of way you have to select those alpha you you have to look at the effect on on the re on the t evaluation task no maybe not and then maybe you can find some patterns that are then then once you have the once you have the task yeah maybe do it by cross validation something you could look at at which pages are completely missed by one model which others are are successful with one model and and you can maybe infer some some rules afterwards but if you have no task you can blindly select s good alphas okay there is like like if if you look at if you look at your task and you see that i dunno 0 of course yeah the the long pages for example have good p l s a model without fusing links so then you can infer some heuristics like okay the alpha should be proportional to the lengths or anything like that or to the number of image in the pages or anything but you should have some some task where you can individually look at the performance on every on every page yeah yeah w w i think we have agree on that yeah yeah that that is fair and and and and at as a 2nd step you could infer some kind of rule about how to select alphas with respect to the task yeah okay maybe it is v it is very simple rules but select them blindly s might be odd it yeah d no yeah i so i i think that that is too easy you can do it with some heuristics and you can learn it from the task results in or combine the 2 so tha that is kinda straightforward i think yeah probably heuristic it will be easier to compute because yeah the the the thing about doing it through cross validation or something like that with the task is the problem with doing a page rank style algorithm is that is that it gets better it it converges better and it gives you better results yeah the closer a network is to being a small world network so small world network mean basically some far links but generally very clustered locally yeah yeah now the thing about doing a web crawl is the bigger your web crawl the closer it will be to the overall structure of the net n the internet which is a small world network the smaller your web crawl the less small world network like it is going to be yeah so the more pages you get the better your results and people running this style of algorithm the page rank style stuff generally run it on about 2000000 or 20000000 pages or whatever the the stanford web base data set that i was using for this for for a bit of this yeah they have a a d i can not remember off hand but they have m maybe a bit over a theta byte worth of web pages in this a bunch of servers but but but still li like the the the work i did on on hyperlinks like i used wikipedia yeah maybe wikipedia is a good thing to do i i think it is g because it has fairly high level of inside links between was i was concerned about wikipedia though was that it is while it has a high level of inside links that has a lot of directory style links as well that might mess up it actually being a see wh while you have yeah well you can categorize them because they are th it is there is a structure on the on the web page so you you can select only the links which are within the article or within the categories or it is it is it is well structured it is it is easy to manipulate and ah okay that is good that plus i guess it is actually straightforward to say to start with is this a small world network and then run it on that yeah you can even isolate the directory from the categories of wikipedia you were running that on what we what was it like half a 1000000 pages something like that well yeah actually i i i divided in 3 equal size parts which have 150 documents is it and that was for half of it if i remember okay okay the whole thing was there are a 1000 documents and well but did you manage to to divide the link properly or well what i did with the link well but this is not th exactly the same setup you would have okay so in this setup the whole link structure could be known and the only thing you wou do not you w do not know would be the assignation to to a category in my setup it was different because i i sh i could not use the links between different sets but this is not i do not want to mess you up with that it is not the same kind of experiment but you could just use the whole corpus like this and and for some of them you assume you do not know the the category assignment and then you can run this set of experiments over wikipedia okay i mean i think off hand thinking about this model it would have to work better because 2 things in the same category are going to be linked yeah so it it yeah but this is the yeah this is the hypothesis between this in this p l s a with link stuff okay 0 yeah i thi yeah that is i think tha it is going to be more true in some networks and in some tasks than others and i think in the wikipedia it is probably going to be it is a good one to test on yeah but you can you can think also at at other task like that like for example you can take proceedings and assume the categories are the keywords of the of the d of the documents and then if you have the archive of a journal you can you can use the l the links between the citation links so if you want to have a bigger stuff so wikipedia would be kind of very small with lots of engli in links okay and then if you take a journal you will have less links and and more documents and then you would be likely to say that p l s a might be better over that because you do not have enough links so you you you can find examples which are not the web i think it is good to work in closed set okay wikipedia is kind of closed set ma even if there is lots of outside links but there is lots of inside links you have to think at at at at at at at database where there is lot of in links wikipedia might be one citation for example if if you take the nips arch archive which is available nips author always other nips author which are often themselves etcetera well it is reported i i will not say so but but but but yeah i think th th this kind of setup maybe web pages it is hard to find sets of web pages which have good links stuff if you start from one page or something okay yeah it i will maybe i will have a look at the wikipedia stuff anyway i am stuck doing something else for the next month or 2 anyway so this is always the case okay the there is another thing this was new but i have not thought about this too much but it is on the same lines in that have have you guys seen this correlated topic models work which ones correlated topic models it is david blei the guy that came up with with l d a no no l d a he has got a new model that is it is published in nips this year but his co author put it on their web site a month or 2 ago so you know l d a d you all know l d a or yeah okay so a l d a you basically draw a a dirichlet which says like what type of document this is effectively and then you draw a topic given that dirichlet distribution and then you draw words given that alright well that is for for every word and that is once for the document and that is you have got a parameter coming at this globally so that that is roughly what the model is plus other little bits but anyway so what they did was they they reworked this because one of the problems with l d a and i think p l s a has this problem as well in is that the more topics you have the less expressive it can be because the topics it cluster it it pushes a document if it is pulling a document into one topic it pushes another topic away from that does not that make sense so the topics are necessarily trying to be different from each other so the more topics you have the more th they are sort of squeezing into the space of what things can be about and things are kinda pushed out so once you m go over you try it one corpus and once you go over about a 100 maybe 200 topics the the new you add more topics and it does not get better in any way the model does not the n new topics are effectively going to just be garbage alright so what they did was they they they stopped using the dirichlet and they are starting to use a gaussian there so it it in to spare the details basically they have they have got a variable here i think they call it eta and they from this generate a distribution of topics in some way but it is generated from a gaussian space from a from a a space so it is given a a mean and covariance and but it is discrete no the yeah so what it does the this is the the bit that took me forever to understand actually same model but this is given a gaussian space it maps that down into the simplex of what a topic can be about the so the simplex basically if you have got a say you have got 2 topics now say i i say you get 3 topics that makes more easier to draw for this is theta one theta 2 theta 3 these are the probabilities that that a document is about this theta one is the probability that this document is about topic one theta 2 is so these guys all have to add up to one yeah so that basically means that what a document is about lies on this space between them yeah pyramid yeah so this is the simplex so basically a distribution generated by this guy is basically a point on this simplex so what they do is they have got a distribution that maps a gaussian and some space into a distribution on this thing so it maps it into gaussian in that okay the cool thing about that is that if you have got 2 gaussians you can tell how close they are so you can now tell how close 2 topic distributions are right ah okay so you can have as many as you like and you can tell that they are close to each other so there is load of ideas that i had about this in that if you can tell that 2 topic distributions are close to each other so for example if you split a document into 2 parts and said that the 2 parts have to be close in the distribution you can see how the doc t the document changes for exa stu stuff based on that with this idea what if rather than working with this p of z given d thing that you had from p l s a but what if you worked from these gaussians that you get for every document and you said that in some some function that said that the gaussian representing this should be similar to the ones linking to it now i have not thought about any of the maths for this but but it should be straightforward i guess to to formulate a basic in terms of the mean should be similar and the covariance maybe should be similar as well so it might actually be a better model again yeah i dunno okay yeah i will send you guys the link for that correlated topic model stuff if you want but i do not know if it is too interesting to you yeah kay yeah thanks okay kay alright well than thanks for hearing me out and the idea especially okay yeah maybe i can do more with this well in in 3 months in 2 months yeah alright well there are lots of good ideas that are recorded and someone will yeah 0 yeah it is too late 3 months we should wait yeah yeah b because the data like will be released very soon bastien you can not release this data for 4 months" ]

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[ "i do not know i am not really i am sorry i am sorry back a bit easy yeah you never know whether you have got these things on right or not you never know whether they are on right or not yeah well so we hope it feels wrong okay so i do not need that okay so david kim and to mean to say something we had been talking about for a while was some stuff i had been working on about using these topic models with with with networks things with links between them documents that are linked they are re proleting it is related to ripple but it is not actually that this is something i have not actually been working on for a couple of months now just because i came up with something more interesting that i have been working on but at the time basically i had been trying to use plsa and those types of models on web pages and i would came up with a big problem in that most web pages have very very little text on them but you can tell what they are about based on the other texts on the site the text and the things they linked to it so what i wanted to know was can you combine the topic models that describe the pages that have lots of text on them with something else that tells you what a page that has no or very little text on it based on the links yeah so quite simply if you have a page one which is like a home page and it will maybe have 5 links and a picture on it and then because it links to page 2 and page 3 can you tell what this is about yeah yeah so i started looking at google pagerank which kind of does this by saying where the links go the other way it says if this page is about fish or in google they say if this page is good in some way and it links to this other page and we do not know what this is then that is page is more likely to be good and it is just page rank is just a simple algorithm for doing this over a whole big network so i wanted to combine the topic models that tell you beforehand what you think this page and this page are about with this to maybe get a better idea so the idea is say you have got some text on a page that is only part of the picture about what the page is really about and the links pointing to that page are also part of the picture so i basically came up with an algorithm that is just a it plugs plsa or plugs page rank into plsa so page rank you basically just say you basically take the how good this page is which is x and how good this page is which is y and you then say this page is based on how do you do this based on the links come in to it it is just a sum over all the links of x i guess of the value of the value but it is not of the previous page rank yeah so if this is page rank of x page rank of y i think this is roughly offhand page rank of z so you say page rank of z is equal to one over a constant to normalize it sum over all the links into z of page rank of the link yeah it is like that yeah so similar idea if you have got a vector that says what the topics are so you have learned from plsa a distribution of topics for every page so if you say probability of topic one for page z is equal to it and you can use the same sort of thing right so knocking a whole bunch of maths from how you work out page rank it comes up with just an iterative algorithm which is just the current probability of topic one given z so that is probably old plus yeah plus that and then you normalize between them so you say alpha and one minus alpha so basically what you are saying here one minus alpha say link contribution you can call this i guess so what you are saying is that a page is partly from its text that you have got on the page and it is partly from what the link say it is about so the alpha thing is how much do you trust the text on the page and how much do you trust the links so that alpha could be different for every page so what i did then was try this on a big database of web pages i had some results from that but they were all intent to so that is not important right now but it is not really important i can regenerate that the problem was that this gives you a new vector of topics for every page so you have got 2 vectors you have got the one that you just got from plsa or whatever model and you have got the one that you get from this how do you tell which one is better i had no way to evaluate this well how do you tell that this paid because you do not know what the topics are because they are learned automatically so wait i do not get it you have 2 representations one which comes from this link stuff and one this one is not based on plsa too it is yeah because initialization of it yeah you initialize it with actually this is kind of wrong this is not old but start this is how you this is how you start it off so this is what plsa gives you to start with and then you iterate this and it becomes something else so you should 1st train the whole psa stuff yeah then you initialize this link spreading thing and then you iterate that is it exactly yeah and it converge and so you have the both the initial plsa and the plsa plus the link thing exactly yeah so you have now got plsa gives you 2 probabilities right so it gives you a probability of a topic given a document which is a given d and a probability of a word given a topic so this is the same for both models yeah 0 this is a 1000 what you do is you are taking this and iterating over the probability of the topic given the document so i have made that clear i am not sure if i am explaining this no no okay right so you yeah you were saying that you would like to evaluate that now yeah so we were struggling how do you evaluate this because and if you look at the way that plsa and all those kind of models have been evaluated it is they never quantitatively do anything they always say well look at the clustering there is here we have got some documents that all appear to be about the same thing and here is we have got some other documents that all appear about the same thing and you can not really tell exactly how good that is you can just get an idea that it is or they use the perplexity or the likelihood they say 0 good this likelihood is smaller than the other yeah so that is the 1st thing that i think when i spoke to you about this you suggested use the likelihood and pedro came up were a really good example of why that could be bad so you have the you have the let me think of what this was it was to do with cars basically if you have a topic that is representing cars and you can tell that that is representing cars and you can tell that that is representing cars by looking at this distribution and it is the same for both now you want to tell which this page pedro is example of what it was is that it says on the page lotus elise okay and that i can not i just remember it was it really can you remember what it was 0 no really no i do not even remember but you said i would tell you that evaluation should be done based on likelihood or perplexity yeah i did not really consider doing it on perplexity actually to be on yeah it is basically the same but maybe you could have some some you could have some other labellee or the tasks like if you imagine you have some labeling on off of the web pages like like like for example you you look at at at at a set of pages and you have the the directory entries of those pages okay so so like yahoo are demos entries so you have categories and and entries so for example you have i do not know cars suv etc so what you would like would be that 2 pages in the same category should be closer than 2 pages being spread across different categories is that fair though because i think one of the things with these topic models is that you do not know you can not make them close you would not use the yahoo directory or the directory in the training step of the model okay okay this is something you have just for evaluation and then for example your task would be to say i have some page and i know where it is in the directory and i have another page i do not know where it is and i would like to know whether it is in the same category as the 1st one just by comparing there aspect it is making the assumption that this human categorization is related to the one that is discovered if they have the same yeah so basically what you would like to check is is some similarity in the in the aspect distribution tells me something about the the the fact that they could be on the same category in the the this and label categories okay is that really fair though can you say that if a set of documents if the clustering of these documents is closer to the effect of what you have got there is a clustering of documents as your devaluation yeah these labels the yahoo categories that is a clustering so you are by saying that this clustering is closer to that clustering does that necessarily mean that it is better no no no it does not have to be if you use if you use the latent representation so distribution over aspects you could use this to save 2 documents are in the same directory or not and this you should be able to evaluate then so what you would have basically would be to have a directory which give you labels for some part of the documents ok so this is a directory and this is some web page ok so the labeled one ok and you have some page which are unlabeled but you have links between those 2 so what you would do is that you would train both plsa and the other model over that then you would like to for example what could be very simple would be just to then to match each pages like that so let us say you have a page which is labeled and you say okay the label the label the the label page 2 should get should be the one which it is the most similar to or any kind of classification rules you can imagine and so you say okay what if i iterate from this page which have the similar so the criterion would be to compare those 2 distribution okay and then you would like to assign to this document to where you do not know the label the same one as this one and here that you use only for test so this is your grand truth then you can evaluate how wrong you are or how close you are from the real assignment to the right directory category in this way i think it is fair if you know only if you know only that and that and what you would like to discover is this cover is this this is a like a real task like like if this directory company would like to extend his directory to new pages without the hassle of having human labeling but in this case you have to use the label one yeah you have to use this one you only have the labels for some small part of the but how does it enter in that well i think your point was you train this without labeling 1st yeah so you would train it you are training data all those links are known the links between some label document and unlabeled document yeah the point is that you should change in a way to take the labels into account i think you can do it as a 2 step process 1st you train well maybe it could be better better if you take it into account but maybe you can do just a 2 step process 1st one you have this unsupervised task over both pl and pu and then you from this unsupervised task you can know which document of pl is closed from document of pu or the reverse and you can infer some label clearly what we have done is you can train after that an svm saying this this is category one or 2 on the label document and then you have an unlabel document and you just say this is directory one or 2 if you should improve if you say this feature extraction process is better then you are going to have a better cleaner separation between those 2 yeah the thing that worries me about this approach is that say the really really really simple example of this where your directory had 2 categories in it good and bad and you run plsa on it now that does not do good and bad it does i do not know english and french pages so they do not match but the clustering was still very good in one respect but you can extend that up even if you have 100 categories plsa can find 100 clusters that are a good clustering but are completely unrelated to the directory but i mean if you have to judge bad and good it is respect to a given task i mean you can not say of course it is always good because it is maximizing the likelihood know is that which of them has the better representation of a given page so given a random page and these 2 models and the words that these 2 models give which is more likely to yeah but yeah you can you you say given a random page of p u which of those 2 models is more likely to say for example that the page of pl which is the most similar so you so from this so you take any distribution comparison thing so so offman in his paper was doing just cosine similarity but you can do kl anything so so you just compare those 2 distributions of d one and d 2 okay and so with that you can you can determine for example for a document of the set 2 to the most similar so you you you you select the one so in this set which is the most similar to the 2 according to the distribution from one or the other model and then and then for this document you automatically assign to it the label of the document one and you check with this which is your your your ground truth if you are right or not this is what is very related to what is florenton did with the keyword image annotation so you would have a set of keywords the set of image labeled with keywords and he has a set of unlabeled image with some ground truths and you would check whether the label he assigned so in this case annotation word are correct and i think it is fair it is fair setup okay so maybe this classification rule is not the best there there might be some work to do but the general idea i think it is fair evaluation it is a task okay i am just concerned that that is it is answering a question that evaluates in some way but maybe not in the way that well maybe not in the same way i was thinking but maybe it is a better way okay so what i mean by that is that so i am trying to process all this yeah it is the same thing it does tell you whether this which clustering is better for this task but it does not tell you which clustering better represents the pages necessarily no but you could say that it possibly does it probably does i do not think there is any way to say generally this is better or worse worse there is not a perfect clustering what is the how do you judge it has to be related to with respect to this this clustering makes sense what is good with the directory is that you have a good coverage of various topics humans can label but then if you want to detect different languages this is another task i think the task of this latent model is to discover some semantic like some topic proximity between documents and and here this directory is doing the same thing like associating some topics with some documents manually so comparing them is good setup and you are not exactly compared you are comparing them i compare those 2 like the plsa and the one over this same task of assigning good directory i do not know if it will provide good result or not but it is clearly a benchmark for those 2 goals you can even keep the bag of words and do the cosine comparison or on the just showing just showing how just 1st how better this is with respect to bag of words and yeah hopefully then how you like regularized p of z given d is yeah you can have okay just it is basic yeah basic cosine over the p of t given d so road is empirical distribution and the 2 hidden aspects models i think you still not comply no i am coming around to it we have to repeat over and over this is like advertisement i think i get it i think it probably is fair i am just i have got uncomfortable with it but i think that will go if i think about it enough but yeah the it just seems a lot of suspect but i think that is just from the whole point that you can not tell which clustering is better what i thought before was could you get people to evaluate this by hand basically could you give people a set of pages say you did it with 5 topics for example no you give people 5 sheets you give a user 5 sheets of paper each with words in varying sizes representing the probability of that topic for example give the user these pieces of paper to get an idea what these topics are that is this p w given z and then you give them some pages and say which one would you which piece of paper would you put that with and then you get an intuitive idea like how would a person cluster pages given what these topics supposedly are because you have got something that is fixed at the p of w given z with respect to both models so i was hoping you could use that the hidden aspect like the z are unsupervisely it is more like if you were giving the people you said to them okay divide me this bunch of documents into 5 topics and you do not give them the topics a priori so the 2 persons could come up with very different one is very interesting in fact i have seen a paper in icml where the guy was trying to learn which were the aspects of clustering so i give several users several persons a bunch of marbles and they begin to say ok and they have to divide it in 5 group and in the end it is always different the clustering each people has because it is completely subjective yeah ok but there is some characteristic that are transparency color which are features that made the clustering that can be extracted even if the clustering is always different ok so i think i am saying that it can be really infinite see the thing about web pages i thought as well and that getting humans to evaluate it in some way is that you have most of the web pages that are well a lot of the web pages that are important in some way are homepages so google com does not actually say the word search on it i think it maybe says go but you only know it is about search through the thing but someone looking at it can tell that it is a search engine because of the way it is laid out because of the pictures on it and because of all of that there is a lot of information that is completely lost in this bag of words representation and i was hoping that in some way you could use that to evaluate this i have no idea how but say another example apart from this search i do not get exactly what you mean do not use the google page because it is too rude even someone would provide very different labels like someone would say it is a page in english someone would say it is a it is a it is a it is a it is a it is a web page which has very few information or anything so i think there is no hard clustering and what is good with those models is that they they can they are intended to provide you some some kind of way to compare to documents rather than to give you predefined sets of documents it is not hard clustering i do not think one aspect or one latin topic has any sense by his own it is when you have the whole set and the whole distribution that you can tell something if you just take one of them alone so you take all the p of z given d and all the p of w given z you can not do anything with that it is the whole set i would say and this is how it should be evaluated meaning that like for example the mikhail example about marble is that the point what you can learn from all these sets made by people is that is that those 2 marble would be considered as more likely to be in the same set because they share some common properties which are not seen as the same for everyone but they share some common properties that people will notice and if you look at the 2 the old possible pairs of marble you would have much more agreement between people than if you look at the predefined sets people would just cut at some precise point you know what is okay i think you know but yeah this is effectively what we have here though and that directory is one clustering of the marbles and you are hoping that so what you are saying is that i have 2 clustering of marbles from my 2 models and i have a 10 test clustering of marbles is saying that one of these is more close to the test to the one that we have been given is that it saying that what does that actually say it does not really say anything else no no no you do not have 2 clustering of marbles what you have is you have is you have one clustering of marble which is this one and then you have lots of people telling you i consider those marbles as very to have very salient feature that they should share in common i would like them to be in the same cluster and those 2 and one of them is labeled and the other is not labeled so you look at that you say 0 someone told this one was very similar and this one is said to be blue for example i do not know if it is the label so i put it in the blue bag but you never use the blue bag you do not ask the people to look at the blue bag you just look at the people you just ask the people to compare those 2 marbles and then it happens that some of them have been clustered people being your algorithm that is the point yeah yeah yeah this is i reverse most wrong yeah it just it is just this is really is right what the algorithms are still coming up with is in this way looking at a clustering of marbles yeah each of the algorithms comes up with a different it comes up with not with a clustering but with some way to compare to marbles okay so my algorithm would say okay right that makes sense would say i consider those 21s are completely dissimilar and the other one say they are very similar and if you find that in your un label clustering those 2 balls barbells happen to be in the same cluster you said the other algorithm might be wrong but you average that over lots of documents okay because the latent aspects really does not have too much the final directory it can be anything but it is just a way of saying yeah those documents are similar in some sense so we are not going to it is just sometimes dangerous to say this latent aspect means this okay i am convinced i am convinced all right so it is good good good right all right well thanks i am trying to think of anything i have not said about the stuff i did from looking at the results i got it looked quite good just like hand reading them one of the things i did was i started a web crawl at the edap homepage it did not very many pages only like 2000 or something like that but enough to get the pages that were close to edap to have a lot of links between them so that there was enough to be able to run this link clustering algorithm so what you find is that the pages around edaap there is a lot of english speaking pages and a lot of french speaking pages of course this plsa completely separated those out into categories so when i looked at the word likelihoods there were 2 topics one was very clearly english words the most likely word was there and one was very clearly french words most likely word was there i think you had on 2 topics no i had many topics the others looked like garbage could not tell what they might be but anyway that is often the case when you look at it you can tell very clearly what one or 2 topics are not the rest the others usually do not mean anything it makes sense only it is a global optimization the likelihood is optimized globally over the whole aspects etc so you never ask the model to do hard clustering of documents you just ask it to find a distribution over aspects such that a document is more likely according to the restriction that the number aspect is limited and so it just makes sense on looking at the whole set so i think all evaluation should take that to account and look at the whole aspect set like here you look at the whole aspect set because you look at the similarity of 2 distribution any kind of thing where you unfold the model and look at it manually looks weird like in those offman papers where show you columns with words or things anyway when i ran it on that what i found was looking through some of the sites i looked for the sites that the models differed on where one said it was probably an english page and the other said it was probably a french page and i found a good few examples where you had a site that looked well one that i remember offhand was it was a page and it was a big picture in links down the side but the links were all pictures so you could not the words were in french in the links but there were no words picked up by the when i did the crawl for the model and there was a small bit down here and in this there was meant to be a picture in there but it did not load or it was meant to be a picture in there but it was meant to be something else and it said in english it said 404 this page cannot be found so all the words in this page were english but it was very very clearly a french page so the 1st model said it was an english page because all the words were in english the 2nd model said it very definitely a french page because all of these pointed to french sites and it was only pointed to it was something fr as well okay so it was a good point for you yeah for your model so i found a couple of examples that were kind of like that but the problem that i found when i ran it the thing that was a bad point was that if you have say i was trying to say if you could evaluate this with search given some keywords which model would more likely find you a good document that sort of approach what i found was that say you had that that is not too relevant necessarily but if you have say a topic distribution for one page and it very very highly scores on the plsa for one of the topics and that is right this model because it is averaging out over all the pages nearby all of the topic distributions become more flat it becomes more uncertain about everything so i do not know if that is necessarily a good thing or not in some cases it is going to be a bad thing because every page is linked by the way the algorithm works every page is linked eventually to everything else so every page has information incorporated in it the distribution learned for every page has information incorporated in it from every other pages of distribution as well so it averages out it flattens all the distributions depending on what this alpha is but also it depends on that could be a good effect because if you can be if you are highly reliable about one page but all the page looking to it are actually about very different topics so you could say maybe i was wrong from deciding only due to the text that this page was about this aspect distribution because all the other pages are voting in different direction well i think that the thing is while there is a balance yeah there is a balance in that for example take a page like slash dot it is like a news site for for geeks and you have nerds yeah news for nerds stuff that matter all of the like 100s of 1000s of pages point to that but they are about completely different things so you in effect are losing information about what that page is about because there is so many things pointing to it in the all average out this alpha can it be dependent of the document yeah so and how many texts is in need that is my 1st idea was how to set this i remember what the lotus thing was now so i thought you want to probably set this alpha per page there is probably some heuristics for example this page there is no text in it we will set it very low and use the information for the links problem is this is what pedro immediately said what if you have a page that looks like this it has got a big picture of a car pedro always speaks about cars yeah cars anyway and it says lotus elise so you know that it is definitely about car but it is only got 2 words only get 2 words so you can not just do it by words because those 2 words completely specify it into something or other you suggested doing likelihood but at that time and i can not remember what my problem was with that it might not have been a good thing but you have got 2 likelihoods for it as well but i think for any kind of way you have to select those alpha you have to look at the effect on an evaluation task and then maybe you can find some patterns that are then once you have the task you could look at which pages are completely missed by one model which others are successful with one model and you can maybe infer some rules afterwards but if you have no task you can blindly select good alphas like if you look at your task and you see that task and you see that i do not know the long pages for example have good plsm model without using links so then you can infer some heuristics like okay the alpha should be proportional to the lengths or anything like that or to the number of images in the pages or anything but you should have some some tasks where you can individually look at the performance on every page yeah and and and as a 2nd step could infer some kind of rule about how to select alphas with respect to the task yeah okay maybe it is very simple rules but select them blindly it might be hard yeah so i think that there is 2 ways you can do it with some heuristics and you can learn it from the task results or combine the 2 so that is kind of straightforward i think probably heuristic will be easier to compute yeah about doing it through cross validation or something like that with the task is the problem with doing a page rank style algorithm is that it gets better it converges better and it gives you better results the closer a network is to being a small world network so small world network you know basically some far links but generally very clustered locally now the thing about doing a web crawl is the bigger your web crawl the closer it will be to the overall structure of the internet which is a small world network the smaller your web crawl the less more world network like it is going to be so the more pages yet the better your results and people running this style of algorithm the page rank style stuff generally run it on about 2000000 or 20000000 pages or whatever the stanford webbase data set that i was using for this for a bit of this they have i can not remember offhand but they have maybe over a petabyte worth of web pages in this the bunch of servers but still like the work i did on hyperlinks like i used the wikipedia yeah maybe wikipedia is a good thing to do it because it has fairly high level of inside links what i was concerned about wikipedia though was that it is while it has a high level of inside links it has a lot of directory style links as well that might mess up actually being a yeah well you can categorize them because they are there is a structure on the the web page so you can select only the links which are within the article or within the categories okay that is good it is well structured it is so easy to manipulate plus i guess it is actually straightforward to say to start with is this a small world network and then run on that you can even isolate the directory from the categories of wikipedia you were running that on what was it like half a 1000000 pages something like that well yeah and that was for half of it i divided in 3 equal size parts which of 150 documents okay that was 1000 documents and well but did you manage to divide the link properly well what i did with the link well but this is not exactly the same setup you would have so in this setup the whole link structure could be known and the only thing you would do not know would be the assignation to a category in my setup it was different because i could not use the link use the links between different sets but this is not i do not want to miss you up with that it is not the same kind of experiments but you could just use the whole corpus like this and and for some of them you assume you do not know the the category assignment and then you can run the set of experiments over wikipedia i mean i think offhand thinking about this model it would have to work better because 2 things in the same category are going to be linked yeah so but this is the yeah yeah this is the hypothesis between this in this plsa with link stuff okay yeah i think that it is going to be more true in some networks and in some tasks than others but you can think also at other tasks like that like for example you can take proceedings and assume the categories are the keywords of the documents and then if you have the archive of a journal you can use the links between the site limitations links so if you want to have a bigger stuff so wikipedia would be kind of very small with lots of in links and then if you take a journal you will have less links and more documents and then you would be likely to say that plsa might be better over that because you do not have enough links so you can find examples which are not the web i think it is good to work in closed set wikipedia is kind of close set even if there is lots of outside links but there is a lot of inside links you have to think at database where there is a lot of in links wikipedia might be one citation for example if you take the nips archive which is available nips author always sits on nips author which are often themselves etc well it is recorded i will not say it so but but but but yeah i think this kind of setup maybe web pages it is hard to find sets of web pages which have good links stuff if you start from one page or something okay yeah maybe have a look at the wikipedia stuff i am stuck doing something else for the next month or 2 anyways okay there is another thing this was new i have not thought about this too much but it is on the same lines have you guys seen this correlated topic models work which ones topic models david bly the guy that came up with lda he has got a new model that is published to neps this year but he is co author put it on their website a month or 2 ago so you know lda you all know lda you all know lda yeah okay so lda you basically draw a dreasla which says like what type of document this is effectively and then you draw a topic given the derile distribution and then you draw a word given that all right well that is for for every word and that is once for the document and that is you have got a parameter coming at this globally so that is roughly what the model is just a little bit but anyway so what they did was they rework this because one of the problems with lda and i think plsa has this problem as well is that the more topics you have the less expressive it can be because the topics it clusters it pushes a document if it is pulling a document into one topic it pushes another topic away from that does not that make sense so the topics are necessarily trying to be different from each other so the more topics you have the more they are sort of squeezing into the space of what things can be about and things are kind of pushed out so once you go over they tried it on one corpus and once you go over about 100 maybe 200 topics the new you add more topics and it does not get better in any way the model does not the new topics are effect they are going to just be garbage all right so what they did was they stopped using adirishly and they are starting to use a gaussian there so to spare the details basically they have got a variable here i think they call it eta and from this generate a distribution of topics in some way but it is generated from a gaussian space from a space so it is given a mean and covariance but it is disquid no yeah so what it does this is the bit that took me forever to understand actually same model but this is given a gaussian space it maps that down into the simplex of what a topic can be about the simplex basically if you have got say you have got 2 topics say you have got 3 topics that may you get 3 topics that makes more easier to draw for this is theta one theta 2 theta 3 these are the probabilities that a document is about theta one is the probability that this document is about topic one theta 2 so these guys all have to add up to one so that basically means that what a document is about lies on this space between them so this is the simplex so basically a distribution generated by this guy is basically a point on this simplex so what they do is they have got a distribution that maps a gaussian in some space into a distribution on this thing so it maps it into a gaussian in that the cool thing about that is that if you have got 2 gaussian you can tell how close they are so you can now tell how close to topic distributions are right so you can have as many as you like and you can tell that they are close to each other so there is loads of ideas that i had about this in the in that if you can tell that 2 topic distributions are close to each other so for example if you split a document in the 2 parts and said that the 2 parts have to be close in the distribution you can see how the document changes for you say it is stuff based on that with this idea what if rather than working with this p of z given d thing that you get from plsa but what if you work from these gaussian that you get for every document and you said that in some function that you get from some function that said the gaussian representing this should be similar to the ones linking to it and i have not thought about any of the maths for this but it should be straightforward i guess to formulate it basically in terms of the mean should be similar in the covariance maybe it should be similar as well so it might actually be a better model again i do not know i will send you guys the link for that correlated topic model stuff if you want but i do not know if it is doing i do not know if it is too interesting to you okay yeah thanks for hearing me out in the idea especially okay well maybe i can do more with us well in 3 months yeah in 3 months well there are lots of good ideas that are recorded and someone will 0 yeah it is too late 3 months yeah because the data will be released very soon bastien you can not release this data for 4 months that is cool thanks guys i know if it is useful to you yes that makes me at some point i am going to have to go to david and convince him to let me spend a month to working on this again you do not have to convince you have to say i am going to work on this one have you met david" ]

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[ "okay good morning this is our 1st team meeting good day morning morning i will be your project manager for today for this project my name is mark will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off that is my that is the agenda for today well of course we are new to each other so i would like to get acquainted 1st so let us do that 1st i mean let us start with you can you introduce yourself you are our marketing expert yes my name is dirk dirk meinfeld i will be pr project the marketing expert and i will see what the user wants and what we can do with the new produ project product okay excellent and you are user interface yeah nick broer user interface designer i am going to look at the technical design from the user point of view excellent okay my name is xavier juergens i am the industrial designer and there are 3 main questions that i have to find an answer to today 1st one is what happens inside the apparatus 2nd is what is the apparatus made of and the 3rd is what should it look like what should it look like okay 0 let us kick it off 0 there we go so our new project is about we need design a remote control for television set so which has to be original trendy and user friendly i took this off our corporate website it is i think well it sums up what we need to do we are inspired by latest fashion not only electronics but also the latest trends in clothes and interior design that is why our product will always fit in your home so apparently we need to be very at very open to what is currently hot in the market so that is what you need to do to bring us the latest info and what people want yeah yeah so so we put the fashion in electronics so that is what we need to go for anyway we will take this project in 3 steps 3 pha 3 phase of design 1st step will be the functional design yeah and that is basically what we are going to do everybody has a piece of individual work and a meeting afterwards so we can share information about so i am going to keep this short since we had a technical problem so skip through this okay every meeting we everybody can present their their views and everything so to help with these you have we have the smartboards here we can use a regular powerpoint presentation i am supposed to give you an introduction on this doodling board so it is actually it is very easy like it says very simple you just take out the pen like you see here i will just take the take here that is it you just put it on the board you see a pen here you go here just like using a pen you can just draw whatever you want it is like the eraser can erase whatever you want and so it will be easy just to illustrate your views if you want to change the format you just either take out jus just like the pen and whatever you want your current color your line width just to make the line bigger so it should be really easy okay this is to take the just take a new slide and back again we are just going to keep using this board all the time so i think it will be it is very clear for everyone i suppose so i will take this out okay we will use that later anyway yeah just just just stuff that you want to share just put it in the in the project folder like i put my presentation now i will put the the minutes of every meeting i will put them there too so everybody can read up if they have to leave early or whatever so next been here well going to give the electronic white board a shot so basic idea is we have a blank sheet just try whatever you want and like it says draw your favorite animal i think the creative genius should go 1st the creative genius thank you very much so draw us your favorite animal well i am more into the technical aspects of drawing so i am not really good at drawing animals but the animal which i 0 draw us a technical animal yeah it is still erasing pen format else my animal will be like king size i pretty much like a dolphin because of its its freedom basically let us see a head actually worked with this it is like it is a very high tech bit low responsive though prefer pen and paper so that is what we do not want we want a high responsive product so it looks more like nuclear bomb very nice dolphin it does not look like a nuclear bomb this thing is not doing what i am what i want so let us go easy on it yeah well it does look like a nuclear bomb i will just finish up real soon because i am so it does not really look like a dolphin but then again this is all new for me anyway it should it it is supposed to be a dolphin you like the freedom that it that it represents huh like the ocean like swimming do that in my spare time so that is basically an what do you like okay well our marketing expert now we can forget this ever happened show us an animal an animal i like the elephant pick a pick a pick a clean sheet 0 what take a clean sheet 1st yeah just press next that is it 0 yeah 0 a blank okay next free i like the elephant it is big it is strong so 0 it is a little bit it is not really that responsive no you have to hold it right it is a beautiful animal 0 you have to p press it pretty hard with a smile on it it is very important it is a cute elephant yeah and not to forget its tail 0 it is a nice beard yeah it is okay and you was making comments on my dolphin yes i will beat the dolphin no okay so it is just a bee yeah so i suggest you make us the elephant in the market the big and strong player in the market yeah this would be good yeah okay excellent on to the next one okay yeah okay you should press next yeah press next yeah it is up there okay that is it okay well the animal i would like to draw is a tiger you picked a hard one did not you experience with the tiger my drawing skills are really bad so what they are they are really bad my drawing skills okay huh sure looks smooth 0 i am not sure how the legs should go but these are stripes got it i have picked this animal because it is very fast it is it knows exactly what it wants it hardly ever wastes any resources what does it want well basically it hunts for prey but it does it always in a very well thought way it knows exactly what it wants it never kills an animal just for the killing so it is very efficient and it tries to do everything as fast as possible okay and it always goes for security in seeking a hide spot and and doing everything security speed and efficiency is important and i think those things we can use i agree okay yay i am supposed to draw the animal next i introduce to the world the amazing ant hard worker great team workers yeah yeah do everything to really small but together they are really strong so i am going to give it a smiley face yeah yeah 0 not sure where the p just put em here whatever think it need shoes so i am just too lazy to draw it all black so that is the coolest ant ever you have done this before have not you i love to draw ants it is my hobby anyway nah just i think it is very representative what we drew i guess like you take just take your freedom and use a a trendy interface that you design for us yeah just yeah you are supposed to make i make it different from from what other people have and just make it a little distinct anyway another beep to stop the meeting see warning finish meeting now put this down examples well i guess we have a little little time extra but just a little quick discussion to to open open our work so what do you guys think about the 1st idea is just very short i will start with you what are y what are your 1st ideas for the new product well i basically had a question what do are we going to introduce a multi remote control is it just the t v or do we want to in the project i got was just for a t v remote control just for t v remote control yeah yeah i guess so okay well i was thinking about design remote control with our motto and all but thing to keep in mind is that we need to stick to what people are familiar with yeah no rational changes or whatever cause it revolutionary changes yes okay so very intuitive design i guess we might have to consider other design aspects of our product so that was something i wanted to add and perhaps some usability aspect t v is becoming central in most homes do we want people who are disabled in any way to yeah to be able to use it as well yeah we want i suppose we want almost everyone to be using it so i think i mean really disabled people yeah might be a problem but i think it is a little take it into consideration yeah i think we really need to cut the meeting short you have anything you want to share quickly only one thing that has to be added according to me is the the material it is made of it should be something light that is it speaks for itself but some yeah yeah it should be light okay yeah let us see where did i let us skip that 0 this is it sorry i skipped this sheet selling price what do we this quick what we are going to selling price €25 that is for you the production price €125 approximately okay just go go for that we will reach the reach that profit okay okay well that is not that much to work with international no it is not much to work on i am sorry i skipped it anyways that is yeah this is it do you have anything you you came up with yet about marketing transfer whatever about what marketing marketing i am not sure what you what you came up with yet you have anything to share or else we will cut the meeting just cut the meeting short since we are supposed to stop no not really yet but i have some ideas and i will okay anyways the the personal coach will give you the your p your personal assignments and everything say it so we will just meet back in here 30 minutes okay okay i am sure we have that good luck everyone yeah thanks for attending good luck i will see you back here in 30 minutes okay yes" ]

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[ "okay good morning this is our 1st team meeting good morning i will be your project manager for today for this project my name is mark knopf we will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off this is my it is your agenda for today of course we are new to each other so i would get acquainted 1st so let us do that 1st i mean let us start with you can you introduce yourself you are our marketing expert yes my name is derek derek meninfeld i will be during this project the marketing expert and i will see what the user wants and what we can do with the new product product excellent and you are our user interface user interface designer i am going to look at the technical design from the user point of view excellent okay my name is xavier jekens i am the industrial designer and there are 3 main questions that i have to find an answer to today 1st one is what happens inside the operators 2nd is what is the apparatus made of and the 3rd is what should it look like what should it look like okay let us kick it off 0 there we go so our new project is about we need to design a remote control for a television set so which has to be original trendy end user friendly i took this off our corporate website which i think that sums up what we need to do we are inspired by the latest fashion not only in electronics but also the latest strengths in clothes and interior design that is why our project will always fit in your home so apparently we need to be very open to what is currently hot in the market so that is what you need to do to bring us the latest info and what people want so we put the fashion in electronics so that is what we need to go for anyway we will take this project in 3 steps 3 phases of design 1st step will be the functional design and this is basically what we are going to do everybody has a piece of individual work and a meeting afterwards we can share information about it so i am going to keep this short since we had a technical problem so skip through this ok every meeting everybody can present their views and everything so to help with these we have the smart boards here you can use a regular powerpoint presentation i am supposed to give you an introduction on this doodling board so it is actually it is very easy like it says it is very simple you just take out the pen like you see here i will just take the toolbar with you sit you just put it on the board you see a pen here you go here just select using a pen you can just draw whatever you want select the eraser you erase whatever you want and so it will be easy to illustrate your views if you want to change the format you just either take select the pen and whatever you want your current color the line wide just to make the line bigger so that should be really easy just take the just take a new slide and back again i am just going to keep using this board all the time so i think it will be it is very clear for everyone i suppose i am going to take this out okay i am going to use that later use that later anyway yeah just just the stuff that you want to share just put it in the in the project folder like i put my presentation now i will put the the minutes of every meeting i will put them there too so everybody can read up if they have to leave early or whatever so next been here well i am going to give the electronic whiteboard a shot so basic ideas we have a blank sheet just try whatever you want and like it says draw your favorite animal i think the creative genius should go 1st the creative genius thank you very so draws your favorite animal well i am more into the technical aspects of drawing so i am not really good at drawing animals but the animal which i pretty much 00 still erasing a pen else my animal will be like king is size i pretty much like a dolphin because of it is freedom basically let us see the head i actually work with this it is like a very high tech a bit low responsive though prefer pen and paper so that is what we do not want want the high responsive product it looks like a nuclear bomb does not look like a nuclear bomb this thing is not doing what i am what i want so just go easy on it it does look like a nuclear bomb i will just finish up real soon so it does not really look like a dolphin but anyway it is supposed to be a dolphin you like the freedom that it represents like the ocean like swimming do that in my spare time so that is basically what you like okay well now we can forget this ever happened let us show us an animal an animal i like the elephant pick a clean sheet what take a clean sheet 1st press next that is it 0 blank okay next i like the elephant it is big it is strong so 0 it is a little bit it is not really that responsive no it is a beautiful animal you have to press it pretty hard with a smile on it it is very important it is a cute elephant yeah and not to forget it still it is a nice beard it is okay and who is making comments on my dolphin i will beat the dolphin okay so it is just to be so i suggest you make us the elephant in the market market the big and strong player in the market yeah it would be good yeah okay excellent onto the next one okay you should press next next yeah it is up there okay well the animal i would like to draw is a tiger you picked a hard one did not you my drawing skills are really bad what they are they are really bad my drawing skills okay it sure looks smooth i am not sure how the next should go out these are stripes i have picked this animal because it is very fast it knows exactly what it wants it hardly ever wastes any resources what does you want well basically it hunts for prey but it does it always in a very well thought way it knows exactly what it wants it never kills an animal just for the killing so it is very efficient and it tries to do everything as fast as possible okay and it always goes for security in seeking a hide spot and doing everything security speed and efficiency is important is important i think that is things we can use okay yay i am supposed to draw the animal next i introduced to the world of the amazing ant hard worker great team workers do everything really small together are really strong yeah yeah i am going to give it a smiley face i am not sure where the 6 part or the just put him here whatever i think he is neat shoes just too late is to draw it all black so that is the coolest ant ever you have done this before have not you i love to draw ants it is my hobby anyway just i think it is very representative what we drew i guess like you just take just take your free and use a trendy interface that you designed for us just yeah you are supposed to make it different from what other people have and just make it a little distinct anyway i think that is another beep to stop the meeting see warning finish meeting now i will put this down examples well i guess we have a little time a little time extra but just a little quick discussion to open our work what do you guys think about the 1st ideas is very short let us start with you what are your 1st ideas for new product well i basically had a question are you going to introduce a multi remote control is it just the tv or do we want to the project i got was just for tv and remote control just for tv and remote control yeah i guess so okay well i was thinking about design remote control with our motto and all so thing to keep in mind is that we need to stick to what people are familiar with no rational changes or whatever okay so very intuitive design i guess we might have to consider other design aspects of our product so that was something i wanted to add and perhaps some usability aspect tv is becoming central in most homes do we want people who are disabled in any way to be able to use it as well we want almost everyone to be using it so i think i mean really disabled people yeah might be a problem but i think it is a little thing to take into consideration yeah i think we really need to cut the meeting short you have anything you want to share quickly only one thing that has to be in it according to me is the material the material it is made of it should be something light that speaks for itself but it should be light okay let us see where did i skip that 0 this is it sorry i skip this sheet this quick what we are going to selling price €25 that is for you the production price €125 approximately just go for that and we will reach that profit okay well that is not that much to work with no it is not much to work with i am sorry i skipped it anyways that is yeah this is it do you have anything you came up with yet about marketing trends or whatever about what marketing marketing i am not sure what you came up with yet do you have anything to share we will cut the meeting just not really yet but i have some ideas and i will anyways the personal coach will give you your personal assignments and everything so we will just meet back in your 30 minutes okay i will share we have that good luck everyone yeah thanks for attending i will see you back in 30 minutes thank you" ]

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[ "alright that did nothing okay welcome to the meeting everyone just going to attempt to make this into a slide show sorry guys you may have to do the function f 8 thing i did 0 okay twice this will just take a moment okay okay or it will not okay we will have to deal with it like this then okay alright this is the 1st meeting for developing our our new product i am heather i am your project manager hello okay so so that was the opening the 1st thing we will do is get acquainted with one another if everyone could go around and explain their role and and their name okay my name is poppy i am the industrial designer for this project i am going to be responsible for the functional design phase also the conceptual design and the detailed design for the final product nice to meet you poppy my name is tara and i am the user interface designer okay i will also be responsible for the functional design phase the conceptual design phase and the detailed design phase of the user interface design alright hi i am genevieve i am the marketing expert i am an expert at marketing i will be telling you guys about the user requirement specifications for our new product i will be doing some trend watching in the conceptual design and product evaluation for the design phase alright i am heather and i have i said i am your project manager well you can pretty much read what it is that i am doing but yeah and tool training is one thing that we are going to be doing today as well as planning the project how we are going to create this product and discuss our aims and objects of this which brings us to our next subject is as a team we are going to be designing and creating a new kind of remote control we want this to be a marketable product that can be trendy a completely new style so that can really appeal to a to a generation that does not want a simple plain kind of channel changer and it needs to be user friendly for maybe for an example for people that can not see the numbers as well or perhaps an ergonomic design okay so this is a television remote control yes it is a television remote control yeah right i believe i should be taking minutes on this right now so alright okay yeah the way that we are going to go about this is we will have a time where we can come up with new ideas alone and and work on the project and then after we have brainstormed and and thought about we can come together in a meeting and and discuss what what what kind of functional design we want to use same with conceptual design and detailed design so making sure that it it is usable that as a and that it is it is feasible to create and to come up with a concept of it want what we want it to look like tool training is is everyone okay yeah got those notes yeah thank you great great one thing that we are going to do is become more acquainted with the the tools that we have access to for our project one of them is our whiteboard and as a sort of team building moment i i would like us to try out the whiteboard by expressing our favorite animal and the charac characteristics of that animal why that why that should be your favorite animal so i i am assuming that we should do that now okay kay with our microphones still attached to our bodies okay gosh okay kay what is my favorite animal do come up 0 to go 1st 0 are we all doing it individually this is a team building time where okay cool yeah okay let us stand up and support you my favorite animal which changes all the time okay right now it is an elk an elk okay alright so a vicious and it goes like yeah it has got like big antlers yeah looks kinda like like it has holly growing out of its head do you have elk where you come from yes you do yeah we have moose and we have deer we have moose too okay do you have we have sheep sheep kay yeah cows that is a great elk 0 we have a good artist that is really good yeah thanks i am quite this is my 0 very shapely okay brilliant that is a sketching of my my elk and it it is my favorite animal right now cause it is a large beautiful majestic creature that that in a way it looks kind of awkward because it is on spindly legs and it but it can really overcome harsh terrain and although it is gorgeous it is also very dangerous because it has strong antlers and it can really combat its enemies even like it it is a it is an herbivore but it can really defend itself very nice yeah okay right right i am going to take minutes while you guys express your favorite animals okay i will go next i am a big animal lover i like all sorts of animals but for the moment i am going to draw a cat in memory of my poor cat that died recently 0 0 it is going to be a bit of a strange drawing but never mind not as artistic as heather is drawing bit more cartoon style but i like cats because they are so independent and they always seem to be doing what they want to be doing but that does not mean they are completely not sociable cause they enjoy interacting with humans as well and they seem to enjoy the good things like sunshine and running around outside as well as being inside and enjoying their food and generally just they just seemed so cool and they just know what they are doing i reckon they are sort of they got it sorted they know what they want basically that is why i like cats very good great i will rub that out there you go okay i think my favorite animal would be a dog but i am not really sure how to draw one ooh i i have never drawn a dog i do not think i am tempted to draw a snail cause i draw them sometimes and they are really easy to draw i forget her name right it is going to be a really funny dog cause i am not sure how to draw a dog tara or tara well there are loads of different types of dogs so i am sure it will represent one kind of dog it is a cartoon dog i think a s i do not ev 00 well it is a scary cartoon dog that this that does not look like a dog we can pretend it looks kinda like a person i am sorry that is pinocchio how do you draw a dog i suppose it has a lon 0 my god right yous know what it is supposed to be okay it is a dog i like dogs because they are so good to humans like they can be trained to be police dogs and seeing eye dogs and they are just such friendly animals and like they are more of a companion than cats i have nothing against cats yeah that is true cats do not really like me so i can not like them but they are just so friendly and warm and nice animals that do not look like that alrighty i feel like a robot okay well i guess i had the most time to think about it i am going to draw a butterfly because i saw a butterfly yesterday that seemed to be like the symbol of spring arriving and it was actually the prettiest butterfly i have ever seen out in the wild and i though that was pretty cool in scotland it was like well it was a little pointier than that at 1st i thought it was a dead leaf and then it landed on the wall next to me but this part was all brown and then it has these big blue dots like this and then it kinda there was a green i think it was a green ring and there was like red going out like this it is kinda like a peacock yeah it kinda was actually cause it was this part of the body was really dull and then it was the most colorful exotic butterfly ever and i am like wow this is the middle of scotland in like march so i thought that was pretty cool and it landed by a wall and let me look at it for about 2 minutes i wish i would had my camera so that is going to be my favorite animal because after all the snow it seemed to say that like spring is finally here yeah there you go very nice great what do we 0 do you hear the eraser buzzing while you do that yes i do yea right so now that we know how to use the whiteboard the next okay thing we need to address is our financial department to meet our our budget or not meet our budget but more like what kind of selling range we will be looking at want to make this selling price of €25 and so we have to come up with a way to to create a a remote control where we can like the price to create it will be significantly less we would like to to make €50000000 i am assuming that is what the m means and make it for an international market one thing we would have to think about internationally is in the design of like different kinds of v c r s things like that depending on which country you are another thing for the design team to think about we want it to cost absolute maximum of €1250 okay so we will have a 100% profit then 1250 i am bad at math okay kay so now that that is underway it is discussion time so this is time for us to bring our initial ideas any suggestions that you may have so far a your personal experiences with remote controls and areas you see that could be improved in your experience with them does anyone have any initial thoughts i find that in the dark it is often hard to know what button you are pushing so what is something we could do to remedy that okay i always find that in our house the remote control always goes missing it is always where is the remote control yeah so maybe if you could have some kind of tracking device for the remote control or some signal that you could find out where it was i dunno some kind of alarm you can press a button on your wall signal cause it always gets lost yeah it is a great idea it is a great idea do yous not find that like there is a lot of buttons on your remote control and you do not know what half of them do yeah yeah that you do not use half of them yeah i do not know what they do there is some remote controls where there is kind of a hidden panel so all those buttons that you do not really use unless you are programming or something yeah yeah that is that is yeah it is that is useful so you just have like the number buttons power button t v video button yeah yeah yeah alright anything about the look of the remote control that you might have ideas about maybe it could be instead of like a standard rectangular shape it could be something more interesting like any ideas will do that you have at this point could be shaped like a conch you know can hold it a novelty be like a shell shaped remote are we going into kind of novelty factors here yeah like i have seen phones like a okay well if it is a trendy original aspect we are going for i mean you are the designers you c you can decide what kind of direction you want to go in yeah yeah but at this point in the in the 1st meeting it can be any ideas that we just throw out there yeah i suppose if we are he heading to have it like make a huge profit out of this it needs to be quite a universally accepted thing like a novelty thing might only sell a few things rather than like yeah a general kind of more acceptable but we do not want to go towards boring cause that would not sell either so yeah and the key issue here is is being trendy and original yeah that does not necessarily mean it needs to be outrageous yeah right okay we have 5 minutes left so just to cover we have one more thing like you can go over your ideas of course in your own personal times yeah our next meeting will be in half an hour so you have half an hour to think about what you want to present or not present but bring to the meeting i d whatever that stands for interface industrial designer industrial designer 0 industrial that is me i have to remember these things you will be beginning your your working design u i d the technical functions design will will be worked on the next 30 minutes maybe how this can be achieved and we need the user requirements from the manag marketing expert marketing expert you will get specific instructions of what to do in the next half an hour and i will see you in half an hour okay okay kay thank you" ]

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[ "so thank you okay okay all right that did nothing okay welcome to the meeting everyone i am just going to attempt to make this into a slideshow sorry guys i did i did twice twice why why it will not it will not it will not well it will not well it will not okay okay we will have to deal with this like this then all right this is the 1st meeting for developing a new product here i am heather i am your project manager hello okay so that was the opening the 1st thing we will do is get acquainted with one another if everyone could go around and explain their role and their name okay my name is poppy industrial design for this project i am going to be responsible for the functional design phase also the conceptual design and the detailed design for the final product nice to meet you poppy okay my name is tara i am in the user interface designer i will also be responsible for the functional design phase the conceptual design face and the detailed design face of the user interface design hi i am genevieve i am the marketing expert i am an expert at marketing i will be telling you guys about the user requirements specifications for a new product i will be doing some trend watching in the conceptual design and product evaluation for the design phase all right i am heather and i set on your project manager well you can pretty much read what it is what i am doing and tool training is one thing that we are going to be doing today as well as planning the project how we are going to create this product and discuss our aims of objectives which brings us to our next subject as a team we are going to be designing and creating a new kind of remote control we want this to be a marketable product that can be trendy a completely new style so that can really appeal to a generation that does not want a simple plain kind of channel changer and it needs to be user fieler friendly for maybe for an example for people that can not see the numbers as well or perhaps an ergonomic design thank you this is a television remote control yes it is a television remote control i believe i should be taking minutes on this right now so all right the way that we are going to go about this is we will have a time where we can come up with new ideas alone and work on the project and then after we have brainstormed and thought about we can come together in a meeting and discuss what kind of functional design we want to use same with conceptual design and detail design so making sure that it is usable that as a and that it is feasible to create and come up with a concept of what we want it to look like tool training is everyone right now okay great one thing that we are going to do is become more acquainted with the tools that we have access to for our project one of them is our whiteboard and as a sort of team building moment i would like us to try out the whiteboard by expressing our favorite animal and the characteristics of that animal why that should be your favorite animal so i am assuming that we should do that now okay okay with our microphones still attached to our bodies okay do come up this is a team building time okay that is not a definite story okay cool my favorite animal which changes all the time okay right now it is an elk okay all right so yeah it has got to look at it yeah yeah it looks kind of it is kind of it has holly growing out of its head do you have elk why you come forward yes you do you have moose too you have moose and we have deer do you have you have sheep you have sheep yeah cows okay we have a good artist yeah thanks this is my very shaping okay that is the sketching of my elk and it is my favorite animal right now because it is a large beautiful majestic creature that that in a way it looks kind of awkward because it is on spinning legs but it can really overcome harsh terrain and although it is gorgeous it is also very dangerous because it has strong antlers and it can really combat its enemies even like it is an herbivore but you can really defend it right i am going to take minutes while you guys express your favorite animals i think animal lover i like all sorts of animals but for the moment i am going to draw a cat in memory of my cat that died with me a bit of a strange story but i know not as an artistic as heather is drawing a bit more cartoon class but i like cats because they are so independent and they always seem to be doing what they want to be doing but that does not mean they are completely not sociable because they enjoy interacting with humans as well and they seem to enjoy the good things like sunshine and running around outside as well as being inside and enjoying the food generally they just seem so cool and they just know what they are doing i reckon they got assorted they know what they want they see i have got like cats okay that is why i like cats that was that yep okay i think my favorite animal would be a dog but i am not really sure how to draw one i have never drawn a dog so i think i am tempted to draw some of them nail because i draw them it is really easy for me right it is going to be a really funny dog because i am not sure how to draw a dog there are loads of different types of dogs i am sure it will represent one kind of dog it is a curtain dog i think i do not need 00 well it is a scary curtain that does not look like a dog it looks like a person pinocchio you draw a dog i suppose it has a lot 0 my god right you know what it is supposed to it is a dog okay i like dogs because they are so good to humans like they can be trained to be police dogs and c i dogs and they are just such friendly animals and like they are more of a companion than cats i have nothing against cats cats do not really like me so i can not like them but they are just so friendly and warm and nice animals that do not look like that alrighty i feel like a robot i guess i had the most time to think about it i am going to draw a butterfly because i saw a butterfly yesterday that seemed to be like the symbol of spring arriving and it was actually the prettiest butterfly i have ever seen out in the wild and i thought that was pretty cool in scotland it was like well it was a little pointier than that at 1st i thought it was a dead leaf and then it landed on the wall next to me on the wall next to me but this part was all brown and then had these big blue dots like this and then i kind of there was a green i think it was a green ring and there was like red going out like this it is kind of like a peacock yeah it kind of was actually because it was real this part of the body was really dull and then it was like the most colorful exotic butterfly ever and i am like wow this is middle of scotland in march so i thought that was pretty cool and it landed by a wall and let me look at it for about 2 minutes i wish i would had my camera so that is going to be my favorite animal because after all the snow it is to say that like spring is finally here yeah great what do we do you hear the eraser buzzing while you do that yes i do great so now that we know how to use the whiteboard okay the next thing we need to address is our financial department to meet our budget or not meet our budget but more like what kind of a selling range we will be looking at i want to make this as a selling price of €25 and so we have to come up with a way to create a remote control where we can like the price to create it will be significantly we would like to make €50000000 i am assuming that is what the m means and make it for an international market one thing we would have to think about internationally is in the design of like different kinds of vcrs things like that depending on which country you are another thing for the design team to think about we want it to cost an absolute maximum of €1250 okay so we will have a 100% profit then 1250 i am bad at math okay so now that is underway it is discussion time so this is time for us to bring our initial ideas any suggestions that you may have so far and your personal experiences with remote controls and areas you see that could be improved in your experience with them does anyone have any initial thoughts i find it in the dark it is often hard to know what button you are pushing so it is something we could do to remedy that okay i just find that in our house the remote control always goes into things it is always aware of the remote control so maybe if you could have some kind of tracking the right to the remote control or some signal that you could find out where it was i do not know some kind of alarm you can press a button on your wall it is a great idea it is a great idea always gets lost do you just not find that there is a lot of buttons on your remote control and you do not know what yeah that you do not use hot yeah i do not know some remote controls where there is kind of a hidden panel so all those buttons that you do not really use unless you are programming or something that is useful yeah it is so you just have like the number buttons power button tv video button yeah anything about the look of the remote control that you might have ideas about maybe it could be instead of like a standard rectangular shape it could be something more interesting like any ideas we will do that you have at this point it can be shaped like a conch like a shell shaped row you can hold it are we going into kind of novelty factors here well if it is a trendy original aspect we are going for i mean you are the designer you can decide what kind of direction you want to go in but at this point in the 1st meeting it can be any ideas that we just throw out there so if we are heading to have it like like a huge profit out of this it needs to be quite a universally accepted thing like a novelty thing might only sell a few things rather than like a general kind of more but we do not want to go to more boring because that one is our right and and key issue here is is being trendy and original and that does not necessarily mean it needs to be outrageous yeah okay we have 5 minutes left so just to cover we have one more thing like you can go over your ideas of course in your own personal times our next meeting will be in half an hour so you have half an hour to think about what you want to present or not present but bring to the meeting id whatever that stands for industrial designer industrial designer i have to remember these things you will be beginning your working design uid the technical functions design will be worked on the next 30 minutes let me be how this can be achieved and we need the user requirement from the marketing expert you will get specific instructions of what to do in the next half an hour and i will see you in half an hour okay okay thank you" ]

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[ "okay so i see all everybody is here kay yep and we can start meeting okay what is the agenda for this meeting the i will present here agenda with with with with slides okay to you as you can see here perfect so 1st just to mention i will take notes of this meeting and i will try to work them out and give them to you i have also made notes of the previous meeting and i was about to send them you but then i had to go to this meeting so you will get them too next so y you are the secretary also yes right okay indeed then i hope you all have worked out some some some some presentations about about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting perfectly yeah yeah of course huh w we will in a minute we will start with them we will see in which order we will handle them of then i will bring in some some some new requirements i i got from the account manager i try to work them out they were quite abstract and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it about the functions and well in this meeting we should really try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the you mean the social target group who we wants to target yes i mean well yes w who are we going to to well to sell this the customers indeed yes 0 the customers okay yeah think that is that is important matter that is the big question yeah so and then we will close this meeting and after this meeting we will we will have a lunch good maybe why anna can you c do you have a presentations no i do not you do not have presentation i was not no you want a table to to i c i can talk about it but i have no slides or anything yes yes maybe maybe you can can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary well i have just been presented with some research we have done in a small focus group so a 100 people just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control it is probably can not email this to you i have just got a web page with some data on it basically it is saying that users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls 75 u 75% of users find most remote controls ugly 80% of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy current remote controls do not match well the operating behavior of the user 75% of users said they zap a lot so they use their remote control quite frequently while they are watching television 50% of users say that they only use 10% of the buttons so they have got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that do you do you have this information on the web page you said i have an a web page yes yes mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later yep yep sure about this so basically there is a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control power and volume selection are only used a few times within this per hour channel selection is used a 168 times and then there is things like channel settings audio settings which are only used very infrequently teletext is used 14 times in the hour so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used an interesting thing that this report has brought up is that 5050% of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room yes yes i have that too so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be very useful to a lot of users 34% said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control they want something that is easier to use straight away more intuitive perhaps it is it is easy to learn or how do you say it is 34% said it took too much time to learn to use a new one okay too much time to learn yep okay not enough and 3026% said remote controls are bad for r s i i do not know how we would go about combating that what do you mean there for r s i respet repetitive strain injury okay so but they think that or do their doctor the doctor says but it is it is the opinion of the of the users huh yeah that is what the report says yeah so and then it has got a demographic breakdown on maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the i should be able to actually if i email it to you now you can disconnect it there no you can maybe just just ah it is it okay it is a webpage on the c it is a file okay 0 no yeah yeah 0 otherwise you yeah s hang on then you can connect this one or this one yeah you can connect this one all to your computer yeah well so these are important numbers that matthew and i need to take into account for our functional 0 yeah 0 i need to muck around with this it is probably easier if you put it on yours and then i will just email it to you it is just a web link yeah okay yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account for the both yeah user interface and functional design yeah one thing it goes on to talk about which is interesting is the hang on a minute because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint our design based on what is more important yep one thing is interesting is talking about speech recognition in a remote control speech recognition in and who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful d do you have numbers 00 on that ah okay yes i will just get this up so that we do not do we not need any button on the remote control it would be all based on speech well potentially yeah okay i think even for interesti yeah i think that would not work so well interesting idea you want to have both options okay well it would it would be a solution for when your remote control is lost i mean when it has speech recognition then i then it does not matter where it is my well it is we should be in range yeah or maybe it can respond and produce sound so say where it is yeah but the these are all quite fancy features i am not sure whether well it would be f we will we can make this for for €12 fi and ¢50 yeah yeah no you can not and we do not know where the state of the art of speech recognition is maybe you know 0 well it depends you know like there is it is a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on off 12 but it is quite noisy if there is the t v shouting 23 yeah yeah it is it is going to be li it is not going to be s so easy but yes that that that that is u usually it is going to be more of an isolated do you have some more important facts or case but it is but i do not know with 20 fi okay can we go to the next presentation so you had to to to summarize maybe the well this is now talking about who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control who would pay more for it 90% of the 15 to 25 year old market said that they would pay more it goes down from there 76% for 25 to 35 35% for 35 to 4522% for 45 to 55 and then 8% for 55 to 65 okay it is decline okay yeah decline with age but we sh yeah it really depends where we are going to be targeting this product which we will be talking about later i think yes we will talk about it later did you get the email okay yep that one just follow that link i thi you us yeah yeah it will be in a different window yep that is left that one yep okay perfect so that is the figure that i was just talking about there with the different demographics okay another thing it is talking about there is the l c d screen but there is no figures apparently on that kay okay maybe mael c c can you give your presentation yeah i okay i stay 0 this is now you can move i think yeah i can move as far as y y you can move maybe i take your chair i okay yes you can you can sa take my chair it is a channel selection a module this and this function go to the sorry 0 yeah so i think as everybody knows i am the industrial designer and in this presentation this group presentation is going to focus on the working design of the the remote control i would like 1st to give a quick a very simple introduction how does it work so that everybody knows even if you do not have a very technical background what is it because i think in the product it is important so basically the basic function of a remote control is to send messages to another system that is fixed and so an energy source feeds an integrated circuit the chip that can compose messages usually through a infrared bit and the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the the messages alright so my method for designing the yeah the work design yeah 1st the the main point is that i would wish to to make a really functional product i would prefer to have very functional capabilities rather than fancy stuff that in fact is not used and does not work so for that yeah as it is important to take into account the user requirements from the marketing expert anna and w to to we should agree on what are the technical functions for this remote control and i show you the the working design so basically here is a really large view of what we want we want an on off button it can be it is simple but it is it is important and also the to both channels as well as other buttons that come after right so the components i quickly draw here is that in this part you have the remote control the the sender and on the other part the receiver so that is my method is will be to well my aim would be to design the and choose the chips and the infrared components to build the remote control right so of course we need energy sources and the receiver a a receiver this is very quick design you stop me or interrupt me if you do not agree on it on that and so what i have found and after a lot of work actually i i draw this i draw for you this schema that can be maybe too technical for you but is very important for me you know well huh you drew it a long time ago is huh and that is it so i will not go into details about that but these are my preferences to use that kind of components 91 overwhelming no and and why do you want these kind of component so i mean are they cheap or are they reliable what were your so the the main components you see here are the cheapest i have found and yeah th you have always a compromise with reliability and i if it is expensive but this one was not this one also really reliable so yeah that is it for the working design i hope you get clearer view on what what a remote control is in terms of technical components but maybe yeah yes it it it is more clear now i think so but is it can you just buy it on the market and f plug it in or you want to ma no no no no we we will this is a preference but we can always change what i w what i was thinking about the the the schema about the sender and the receiver i mean can you can you get back to it yeah yeah the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not able to change it of course yeah so we we must adapt to the to the receiver i i suppose there is a standard way of communicating to televisions yeah we will use infrared protocol using yeah infrared and and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists and but we what we can do is adapting the the chips inside to the best chips and infrared bubbles yes okay okay thank you well it to du it is just you had to change the frequencies the frequencies yeah yeah yeah of course yeah in the chip you have it yeah but you should be careful people are sometime becoming problem like a guy has recently designed a remote which could switch off any other t v s so basically through all the things that can control 0 other things yeah ah so maybe we should think of yeah of course yeah we should take that into account in the yeah yes i i i that is handy so if the b t v in the next apartment is really loud you can just turn it off yeah so you can just go on the street and then switch off everyone is t v and you can just walk away you do not have to be near the t v at all yeah i i feel i i i think m mael will will consider this th these things i like that idea maybe maybe we can go to to your presentation matthew yeah so i i i assume you were finished here yes okay okay so i can take i think mine now there okay okay so voila i can take mine it is okay voila so okay 0 i sorry i know where it is it is on the desktop it is technical function yes okay it is like so well so i am going to talk a little bit about the technical function so wha what actually it is about what is the user going to do i think my last presented what is going inside so what is the user is going to see from the outside and how he is going to use it yep so well the approach is that basically the idea is to send a message to the t v set as mael has pointed and it will be decoded by the t v and usually we it is easier to have keys or buttons with which people can press and then changing a button will basically change the message which is being sent to the t v and a and basically it sends an internal signal and decoded by the receiver so p as anna has said that this ki people are interested in things which are you do not need to k press the keys people are can have a speech recognition but this is s a question which will we have to see later but in the present scenario is that you have certain keys and you press it like your mobile phone and it sends a message to the t v yep and so generally i do not have some figures sorry but so there are 2 kinds of remote if you popularly in the household actually so you have a standard t v remote where you have just a on off button and play volume change and keys for the number and more than one digit option and if you see for example righ right now even the one on more than one digit option is for 2 digit channel which is like 99 but tomorrow you might have 150 channels you know to browse or 200 channels to browse who knows but then there is this is the standard one with without any fancy thing you know like i it does not have teletext option it can without any it is a very simple thing which which you can vouch and then you have what is the v video remote file which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and but it then it has other options like stop and then you play the movie or or fo fast forward the movie or something like that so i it has those so these are the standard commonly found remote controls in the market and then whi which is generally used by the people and then well personal preferences i would basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where the we could have both the the f a t v and the remote video remote control because some of the keys in the video is remote control and the t v they could be integrated together so that we could aim for the like in the f coming future that type of applications with okay how would that work so you have got say maybe a v c r and a t v which are separate so you on my one at home i have got a v c r remote which then changes the channel on the v c r and does not do anything on the t v yeah yeah so is it going to be like a switch on the remote that says t use the t v or use the v c r or does it know which one you want to use actually you could you could think of having s a y you can have a key which could tell y it could go to the video thing but yo you you you still can not in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the v c r option and you could play it or you can also think about having like i in a few days you will be ha in in few ye coming years you might even have a system where you have a separate sitting setup box and you have something like you do you do you suppose you are not able to watch some program and actually it downloading all the time for you and you can just you know when you come back you could just switch on that thing and watch a program in that case you want to browse faster browse slow you want to have those kind of functionalities these are kind of next generation functionalities it is the next generation thing but it is going to come in couple of years yes but i think it is i i it is already there i mean the hard disk recorders i i have seen them in the shop it is goi yeah it is yeah yeah yeah kay so it is going to record your things and you and you you need basically the functionalities what you need in both video as well as in the standard t v thing yeah that is fair enough but i do not think we are trying to make a universal remote here no no we are not making a universal remote we are just looking at giving a scenario that is yeah i have a t v and tomorrow i am going to have set up box which is going to sit there and it is going to do that job for me because y w w w w we need to decide on on on on in how far we go to in this mean you can go pretty far i f i think with with with functions and possible future p prospects yes yep yeah so but it is good to keep in mind okay so that p ends my presentation very well well so we can always discuss about it for example the presently the video market actually this demand video over demand or what we call it as it is presently booming up actually so it i like people are providing like things like movies yeah you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and your p your provider gives a list of movies and then you select those list yeah and it basically you go off it downloads the movie it gives for you and then when you come you want to loo watch it on your t v yeah and thi this is going to come good or even you do not need to download it it is streamed online yeah yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time i want to watch the movie and yeah yeah yeah so yeah so u i have received some some some some well points of of thinking over of my account manager and i would like to share them with you 1st thing is teletext is a well known feature of televisions but it is it is getting used less and less yeah that is that is especially because of the internet of course so we should think about it do we include it and do we give it a prominent prominent place on on on the on well huh on the remote mot control itself as a in any case it is it is not used well very much but it is it is still used further yes we must think do we stay to to television only the television as we as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can not go back huh or do we go further as matthew indicated by supporting recording devices indeed indeed so d v d s and v c r s and and and the hard disk recorders furthermore w we need really need to interest y younger customers and then with younger customers i mean people below the age of 40 and our our current customers are mainly 40 plus which well 40 14 or for 0 okay so so that is to that is i mean there is a market but they will grow older older and you will al always need to have the the future with younger people therefore younger people like trendy trendy designs so that is w we should make our our our r c as trendy as possible but it should also be have a reliable image so when it looks too too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all yeah it is well you you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys you know right now if you take it you have like 012 3 like a keys separately but suppose if you take the the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys you press on the top it takes one number you press on the bottom it takes another number and basically so the space covered so that you do not see 2 separate keys there actually so it it is like i i it is like ma maybe maybe you can draw it on the on the board yeah so but i think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting especially if we are going after a younger market yeah yes yes mo because they are already used to that you know product that is the the the the new and the funky things that is yeah yes it is recognizable yeah there is lot there is lots of pretty mobile phones not too many pretty remote controls that is and and they are skilled by using it so for example well okay it works fine so for example you have presently keys like 12 mael can you hand me over this yes thank you 3 like this actually and 456 like that and you can have keys like this in form like keys like that okay how much longer have we got for the meeting by the way well i think fi 5 min cause we have not talked about demographic at all and it is a very important issue 40 minutes yeah so you you you can have keys like which are which are like so too sorry so we basically do not change the original order of them but then the keys are more spacious they do not look so there there is a very sligh thing so if you press on the top it takes the one it takes the 34 sorry 4 here 5 and 6 so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered but it looks nice for you do not have too many keys but you can have a lot of options t if you press on the to okay kay i i think now that the idea is clear yep yeah we should now try to decide on our target group yeah which i think is quite tricky yeah basically we are trying to get people to buy a remote control would not they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one of course they have already one so our our our remote control has to be better but it is not going to have more functionality cause it is only a low market it is a cheap end remote control we can not beat modern functionality we might we will be able to beat them on th the look of it th the design of it but that is not a big seller if they are not just going to buy a new remote control just cause it looks pretty they have to actually need it as well so i am not sure how we can get people to buy this thing i well i think many people said in your in in your research the appearance of the r c is is important when they are buying one but yeah but why are they buying one in the 1st place indeed so that will be about functionality but if people are buying a new remote control for functionality they will buy a universal remote i have got friends who have got so many things they need a universal remote otherwise they are using 5 different remotes for their all their things in that case they would not buy our product because it does not give them what they need in terms of functionality so your you think we should go for a more u universal high performance well we can not with the price range we we are not building a universal remote we are not building a high end product what do what do you think about what componen yeah we have yeah €125 per per r s r c and i think with this now you know that chips are very cheaps and we can include it in our control some new new features yeah and but yeah that is but yeah if we are getting into universal remote territory we are getting to l c d screens and things like that which would drive the cost up a lot i do not know ye i do not know whether that is necessary is the l c d screen i do not think l c d is not necessary well th for long term for universal remotes if you i think thi this could be this could be a market because universal remote controls tend to be quite expensive and quite complicated to use yes s so we can try to go in between and offer a product which is not as expensive and not as complicated not as flexible maybe yeah but s yeah yeah but but still but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal universal r c because it has more it it is in some kind universal yeah but if we are going for the say 15 to 25 age group then not many of them would actually own t v s to use a remote control on yes but w we are targeting i think on more on the on the 20 to 40 group okay so they are yeah people yes who just have or already have a job and have the money but may not want to spend that much money on a on a universal universal control yep i do not know really what the the price range for remote controls is are we going to be at the very bottom of the price range or are we kind of middle to bottom i do not know well i think when we think it over i thi i think we are trying to offer the a kind of universal control for for less money yeah so d do you agree well well i it is fine with me like the price as long as it is not too expensive yeah because we have to take into account that we are going to b we are going to sell 4 aro around 4000000 so when we speak about these numbers the price of a chip is price of a chip is very cheap and it d our provin so i am okay for designing a ne less yeah a a kind of universal r c yeah you think it is possible for the €12 50 yeah okay so then we we decide on on on going to this more universal kind of control yeah that is that is what we needed basically okay that is needed right now and basically you can look to the standards of other yeah that is needed yeah and if we want to get the market we really need that yeah yeah so i guess what i would like from a universal remote is maybe choosing between 3 devices actu being able to switch between them there may be stereo v c r and t v yes yeah exactly and just be able to s use them all from the same remote but not at the same time yes yeah you can also browse through all the standards you know where are the limit of standards for all of them and you can just browse through them is that okay for you yeah yeah yeah so given we are going for this universal type m maybe it is good when you try to find out which components you therefore need and y you will try to get more specific user interface content and maybe you can look on on what trends are in this in this type of market yes okay okay yep voila so anyone has a point to bring in or shall we no so well 0 i do not have anything right now we can we will we will go and we will i am sure we will up something good for the 0 that is that is fine then okay w yes we we can have lunch now yeah so yeah so we meet in well what are our then th th the next meeting will after lunch you have we have 30 minutes of work and then we have the next meeting but you will be informed via the computer okay okay cool okay perfect so see you later" ]

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no you can start meeting okay okay what is the agenda for this meeting the i will present the agenda with with with with with slides to you as you can see here perfect so 1st just to mention i will take notes of this meeting and i will try to work them out and give them to you i have also made notes of the previous meeting and i was about to send them you but then i had to go to this meeting so you will get them to you are the secretary so yes indeed then i hope you all have worked out some presentations about the task given to in the previous meeting we will in a minute we will start with them we will see which order we will handle them off then i will bring in some new requirements i got from the account manager i tried to work them out they were quite abstracts and we can have maybe have some discussion about it about the functions and well in this meeting we should really try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the you mean the social target group yes i mean well yes who are we going to that the customers okay the customer indeed yes think that is that is important question here so and then we will close this meeting and after this meeting we will have a lunch good maybe anna can you do you have a presentation no i do not you do not have a presentation i was not no you were not able to i can talk about it but i have no slides or anything yes yes can just talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary well i have just been presented with some research we have done in a small focus group so 100 people just ask them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in the remote control it is probably can not email this to you i have just got a web page with some data on it basically it is saying that users generally dislike the look and feel of their remote controls 75% of users find most remote controls ugly 80% of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy current remote controls do not match well the operating behavior of the user 75% of users said they zap a lot so they use the remote control quite frequently while they are watching television 50% of users say that they only use 10% of the buttons 10% of the buttons so they have got remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they only use a small part of that do you have this information on the web page i have a web page yes maybe you can send an email to me later yep sure about this so basically there is a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a remote control power and volume selection are used a few times within this per hour channel selection is used 168 times and then there is things like channel settings audio settings which are only used very infrequently teletext is used 14 times in the hour so it is used but not nearly as much as the channel selection is used an interesting thing that this report has brought up is that 50% of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room yes yes i have that too some way of locating the remote control would be very useful to a lot of users 34% said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control that wants something is easier to use straight away more intuitive perhaps it is easy to learn or do you say 34% said it took too much time to learn to use a new one okay too much time to learn okay and 26% said remote controls are bad for rsi i do not know how we would go about combating that what do you mean for rsi repetitive to australian injury okay i think that or do the doctor the doctor says but it is the opinion of the users huh that is what the report says yeah and then it has got a demographic breakdown maybe you cannot put this webpage on line under i should be able to actually if i email to you now you can just connect it then you can maybe just 0 yeah okay it is a web page on the c yeah it is a file okay otherwise you yeah you can connect this one you can connect this one yeah over to your computer so these are important numbers that matthew and i need so these are important numbers that matthew and i need to take into account for our functional it is probably easier if you put it on yours and now it is the email to you it is just a web link okay yeah these numbers have to be taken into account for the both user interface interface and functional design one thing it goes on to talk about which is interesting is the because if there are many numbers and we need to select to constraint our design based on what is more important yeah one thing is interesting is talking about speech recognition and remote control speech recognition and who would pay more for that and whether or not more for that and whether people would find it useful do you have numbers on that yes i will just get this up so they would not need any button on the remote or based on speech i think even for interesting idea yeah i think that would not work so well you would not have both options okay would be a solution for when your remote control is lost i mean when it has speed recognition then yeah then it does not matter where it is well it is should be in range or maybe it can respond and produce sound so say where it is yeah but these are all quite fancy futures i am not sure whether we will we can make this for for €1250 and we do not know where the state of the earth spiritual recognition is maybe you know well it depends you know like there is a very small vocabulary where you want to do the operations like you want to say on off 12 but it is quite noisy there is the tv yeah it is not going to be so easy but usually usually it is going to be more of an isolated do you have some more important but i do not know to summarize maybe the this is now talking about who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control who would pay more for it 90% of the 15 to 25 year old market said that they would pay more it goes down from there 76% for 25 to 35 35% for 35 to 45 22% for 45 to 55 and then 8% for 55 to 65 it is a big length okay yeah it really depends where we are going to be targeting this product which we will be talking about later i think yes we will talk about this later did you get the email yeah that one just follow that link it will be in a different window that is left that one okay perfect so that is the figures i was just talking about there with the different demographics another thing that is talking about there is the lcd screen but there is no figures apparently on that okay okay maybe mael can you give your presentation i stay i stay no you can move i think you can move as far as maybe i take your chair yes you can take my chair so i think how much of that so i think as everybody knows i am the industrial designer designer and in this presentation this quick presentation is going to focus on the working design of the remote control remote control and i would like 1st to give a quick simple introduction how does it work so that everybody knows even if you do not have a very technical background what is it i think in the project is important so basically the basic function of remote control is to send messages to another system that is fixed and so an energy source feeds an integrated circuit the chip that can compose messages usually through infrared bits and the user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages right so my method for designing the work design yeah 1st the main point is that i would wish to make a really functional product i would prefer to have very functional capabilities whether than fancy stuff that is not used and does not work so for that yeah it is important to take into the user requirements from the marketing expert anna and we should agree on what are the technical functions for this remote control and i show you the working design so basically here is a really large view of what we want is an off button it can be simple but it is important and also enabling to browse channels as other buttons that come after so the components i quickly draw here is that in this part you have the remote control the sender and on the other part the receiver so that is my method is will be to when my aim would be to design and choose the chips and the infrared components to build the remote control right so of course we need energy sources and the receiver a receiver this is a really quick design you stop me or interrupt me if you do not agree on it on that and so what i found and after a lot of work actually i draw this i draw for you this schema that can be maybe too technical for you but it is really important for me you know you do it a long time ago it is overwhelming and that is it so i will not go into details about that but these are my preferences to use that kind of components and why do you want this kind of confidence i mean are they cheap or are they reliable what were your so the main components you see here are the cheapest i have found and you have always you have always a compromise with reliability and if it is expensive but this one is also really really able so so yeah that is it for the working design i hope you get a clear view on what what a remote control is in terms of technical components but maybe yeah it is more clear now i think but is it can you just buy it on the market and plug it in or you want to no no no we will this is a preference but we can always change what i was thinking about the schema about the center and the receiver can you get back to it yeah yeah the receiver is of course already in the television and we are not able to change it of course yeah we must adapt to the receiver i suppose there is a standard way of communicating to televisions yeah we will use infrared protocol using infrared and of course we need to adapt to that protocol that already exists but what we can do is adapting the chips inside choose the best chips and in for bowls yes okay okay okay thank you well it is just you had to change the frequencies the frequencies yeah of course yeah in the chip you have but you should be careful people are sometimes becoming a problem a guy has recently designed a remote which could switch off any other tv so basically it brought us through all the things so maybe you should think of of course yeah we should take that into account the tv in the next apartment is really loud so you can just go on the seat and then switch off everyone is tv and you can just walk away you do not have to be near the tv at all i like that idea i think mal will consider this things maybe we can go to your presentation i assume we were finished here yes okay so i can take my mind over there so voila i can take mine it is okay i know i know i know where it is it is on a desktop it is okay let us show well so i am going to talk a little bit about the technical function so what actually it is about it is about what is the user going to do as my address presented what is going inside so what is the user is going to see from the outside and how he is going to use it so well the approach is that basically the idea is to send a message to the tv set as my response and it will be decoded by the tv and usually we it is easier to have keys or buttons with which people can press and then changing a button will basically change the message which is being sent to the tv and and basically it sends an infrared signal and recorded by the receiver so as anna has said that this people are interested in things which are you do not need to plus the keys people are can have a speech recognition but this is a question which we have to see later but in the present scenario is that you have certain keys and you press it like your phone and it sends message to the tv and so generally i do not have some figures sorry but so there are 2 kinds of remote if you popularly in the household actually so you have a standard tv anymore where you have just a on off button and play volume change and keys for the number and more than one digit option and if you see for example right now even the one more than one digit option is for 2 digit channel which is like 99 but tomorrow you might have 150 channels you know to browse or 200 channels to browse who knows but then there is a this is a standard one without any fancy thing you know like it does not have teletext option it can without any it is a very simple thing which which you can browse and then you have a what is the video remote which is like usually it has almost all the keys over there and but it then it has other options like stop and then you play the movie or fast followed the movie or something like that so it has those so these are the standard commonly found remote controls and market and then which is generally used by the people and then well personal preferences i would basically think of having a kind of aim for the next generation thing where we could have both the tv and the remote video remote control because some of the keys in the videos remote control and the tv they could be integrated together so that we could aim for the like in the coming future type of applications how would that work so you have got say maybe a vcr and a tv which are separate so on my one at home i have got a bcr remote which then changes the channel on the vcr and does not do anything on the tv so is there going to be like a switch on the remote that says use the tv or use the vcr or does it know which one you want to use actually you could think of having a you can have a key which could tell it could go to the video thing but you still can not in that case when it you use that the function should be able to take up the vcr option and you could play it or you can also think about having like in a few days you will be in in few coming years you might even have a system where you have a separate sitting set up box and you have something like you do not you do you suppose you are not able to watch some program and actually it downloading all the time for you and you can just you know when you come back you could just switch on that thing and watch the program in that case you want to browse fast or browse slow you want to have those kind of functionalities this are kind of next generation it is the next generation thing but it is going to come in couple of years it is i think it is it is already there i mean the hard just record us yeah i have seen them in the show so it is going to record your things and you and you need basically the functionality is what you need in both video well as in the standard tv but i do not think we are trying to make a universal remote here no no we are not making a universal remote we are just looking at given a scenario i have a tv and tomorrow i am going to have a setup box which is going to sit there and it is going to do that job for me we need to decide on how far we go to in this i mean can go pretty far i think with functions and possible future but yeah so but it is good to keep in mind okay so that ends my presentation well so we can always discuss about it for example the presently the video market actually this demand video over demand or what we call it as it is presently booming up actually so it is like people are providing like things like you can select actually so you want to watch a movie and your provider gives a list of movies and then you select those lists and it basically you go off it downloads a movie it gives for you and then when you come you want to watch it on your tv or even you do not need to download it is streamed online yeah it can be streamed online for you and you can say what time i want to watch a movie yeah so i have received some points of thinking over of my account manager and i would like to share them with you 1st thing is teletext it is a well known feature of televisions but it is getting used less and less that is especially because of the internet of course so we should think about it do we include it and do we give it a prominent place on the remote mouse control itself as anna indicated it is not used well very much but it is it is still used further yes we must think do we stay to television only the television as we all know it with with broadcasting signals and you can not go back or do we go further as matthew indicated by supporting recording devices so dvds and bccs indeed indeed and the hardest recorders furthermore we really need to interest younger customers and then with younger customers i mean people below the age of 40 our current customers are mainly 40 plus which 14 40 so that is to this it is a market but they will grow older and older and you always need to have the future with younger people therefore younger people like friendly trendy designs so that we should make our rc as trendy as possible but it should also have a reliable image so when it looks too spacey or too fancy people will think well does it work at all yeah it is a well you can follow the ideas how you want to keep the keys you know like if you take it you have like 0 what 23 like a key separately but suppose if you take the present trend of mobile phones there are like big thick keys you press on the top it takes one number it is press on the bottom it takes another number and basically so the space covered so that you do not see 2 separate keys there actually so it is like it is like maybe maybe you can draw it on the board yeah so i think taking the idea of getting inspiration from mobile phones is interesting yeah especially if we are going after a younger market yes yes most of the new and the funky things it is recognizable yeah there is lot there is lots of very pretty mobile phones not too many pretty remote controls and they are skilled by using it so for example ok it works so for example you have a presently a key like 123 like this actually and a 456 like that and you can have keys like in this form like like keys like that how much longer we got for the mating by the way because you have talked about demographic at all and that is a very important issue so you can have keys like which are like so so we basically do not change the original order of them but then the keys are more spacious they do not look so that there is a very slag thing so if you press on the top it takes the one it takes the 34 sorry 4 here 5 or 6 so the keys can be it looks you know not very much cluttered but it looks nice for you do not have too many keys but you can have a lot of options i think now the idea is clear yeah we should now try to decide on our direct group yeah which i think is quite tricky basically we are trying to get people to bar remote control would not they already have a remote control with their television when they buy one of course they have already one so our remote control has to be better but it is not going to have more functionality because it is only a low market it is a cheap and remote control we can not beat more functionality we might we will be able to beat them on the look of it the design of it but that is not a big seller if they are not going to just go and buy a new remote control just because it looks pretty they have to actually need it as well so i am not sure how we can get people to buy this thing well i think many people said in your research the appearance of the rc is important when they are buying one yeah but why are they buying one in the 1st place indeed so that will be about functionality but if people are buying new remote control for functionality they will buy a universal remote i have got friends who have got so many things they need a universal remote otherwise they are using 5 different remotes for their all their things in that case they would not buy our product because it does not give them what they need in terms of functionality so you think we should go for a more universal well we can not with the price range we were not building a universe or we are not building a high end product yeah we have yeah €125 for pro us and i think with this now you know that chips are very cheap and we can include in our control some new new features yeah and but yeah if we are getting to universal remote territory we are getting to lcd screens and things like that which would drive the cost up a lot i do not know whether that is necessary i do not think lcd is not necessary i think this could be a market because universal remote controls tend to be quite expensive and quite complicated to use yeah so we can try to go in between and offer a product which is not as expensive and not as not as flexible maybe yeah but still people have the idea this is more functional than a normal universal rc because it has more it is in some kind of universal but if we are going for the 15 to 25 age group then not many of them would actually own tvs to use a remote control on we are targeting i think more on the 20 to 40 group okay so they are people who just have or already have a job and have the money but may not want to spend that much money on a universal i do not know really what the price range remote controls is are we going to be at the very bottom of the price range or are we kind of middle to bottom i do not know well i think i when we think it over i think we are trying to offer the kind of universal control for less money yeah so well do you agree well it is fine with me like the price as long as it is not too expensive yeah because we have to take into account that we are going to sell around 4000000 so when we speak about this number about these numbers the price of a chip is a price of a cheap is very cheap so i am okay for designing a less yeah a kind of universal rc you think it is possible for the €12 50 yeah okay so then we decide on on going to this more universal kind of control yeah that is that should be needed basically okay that is needed right now yeah basically you can look through the standards and if you are to get the market yeah so i guess what i would like from a universal remote is maybe choosing between 3 devices be able to switch between them and maybe stereo vcr and tv exactly and just be able to use them all from the same remote but not at the same time you can also browse through all the standards you know yeah there are the limited standards for all of them and you can just browse through them so given we are going for this universal type maybe it is good when you try to find out which components you therefore need and you will try to get more specific user interface content and maybe you can look on what trends are in this type of market so anyone has a point to bring in or shall we do not have anything right now 0 that is right now we will go and we will be sure we will come up something good yeah we can have lunch now so yeah so we are meeting what the next meeting will after we will after the lunch you have we have 30 minutes of work and then we have the next meeting but you will be informed via the computer okay okay cool okay see you later okay okay see you later i am going to be" ]

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[ "kay so so so so put on your mic so you forgot how this works again boss yep boss maybe maybe maybe maybe okay so we are here to talk about the detailed design of the product kay yep and here is the agenda for this meeting i am just going to open say a few boring words to start with again and start taking minutes afterwards you guys are going to give us a presentation of our wonder product that i can see some demonstrations of over there looks cool and then we are going to evaluate it bra then we are going to talk about finance and i have got a lovely excel spreadsheet that i knocked up in the last 5 minutes for this you knocked it up and yep and we are going to evaluate the product and close got 40 minutes to do this in we should be fine let us try and keep this one on schedule alright so your thing is in where is it thi 3rd 3rd 3rd is it in 33 the end product thingy yeah who wants it pedro can have it i like i will help talk yeah so what we ended up with production costs estimated by our manufacturing department and the research department which is us is €158 someone forgot the units there yeah unit price unit production price cost thing unit price we implemented the basic functions which is just t v functions plus the locator which was one of the marketing things cradle scroll wheel for the the channels and we implemented the f the the way of putting the new and revolutionary zapping your favorite channels functionality in the scroll zapping your favorite channels eh yeah scrolling through your favorites list 0 okay okay zapping you know zapping ah kay okay that is favorites maybe it is just a portuguese thing and yeah that was the result ah kay i like the the the the logo on there as well it is very prominent it is very prominent so this is the so here i will give you the so this is the cradle unit and this is the actual remote itself so the scroll bar is or the scroll wheel is this this green little scrolly guy here and then the volume controls are here and here okay you have got the keypad which is the numbers f from 0 to 9 and then 10 this is the power button we have our we have the enter button and what was the other button here this is the teletext start s the the start to to to program yeah the program button yeah the program button ah okay i see so this bl this button will be used both for the favorites and for programming your the the type of television you want to use so the plastic is the white area of this of the model here and the red area is like a rubber covering so you can see that when it lays like this or like this and the buttons are all going to be rubber it is pretty cool so it is pretty hard to actually damage it is that could that be easy to for the scroll wheel to be rotated if it lands on it yeah that might be a possible a mi possible problem but if you drop it yeah not helping 0 well i guess it depends on the stiffness a little of it yeah and it depends on if it is sliding but i think it is pretty ergonomic you can feel it feels good i take it that this is going to be slightly lighter in the final design as well yeah of course well this is clay yeah it is kinda cool you have to reach a little bit do not you yeah the the power button is a bit of a reach but i think we might scale down the final model a bit ah yeah that would not make sense these this is a bit larger than it would be but it is cool i am impressed do not have no one to handle that that is 0 that is 0 i like it and hold it so wh what is the marketing perspective i mean you guys gave me more than i was asking for so i am happy because we have got some really marketable features in this yeah i think it is good good good good job pedro can demonstrate the the paging ability yeah so you ha you have like the the base station with the little button for the where is my remote beep beep beep pla the locator function i am ha okay it is great that is great it is a great feature beep beep beep so beep beep beep beep beep beep be shut up it is impressing wicked is not it so let me get it if i press this button i see that is pretty cool hang on so you can take this ho take this home with you tonight and you can push that and he will be across town beep beep beep okay i plan to do that as well no no no tha that is alri so the the 2 blue are are those for the the it to charge off of in exactly that is exactly what those are for ah okay okay and there is one other feature that we were debating but we decided to go against it is you could beep beep beep we were thinking that it might be interesting to have a trigger button here because you have this finger it it is it kinda feels like there should be something there yeah it is the right shape is not it but we could not figure out what button is important enough to put there and we we do not want to accidentally be hitting the power button like that so but maybe if you had a trigger plus the scroll then that would get past the the problem of it landing and scrolling right cause then it would need to be hit on both sides so maybe in a final design phase we might tweak that a little bit but okay i can see that but it is definitely got options for like different types of models and things as well based on that has not it yep i like good job so is that the the final color scheme as well or no no 0 no this is just what we had to work with at the time okay so we will leave the color scheme up to the marketing people the careful it came off the scroll wheels a problem with them not being sort of well i mean of course i mean i do not think the user interface guy wants to touch it anymore my my s my suggestion is we are going to go go to the silvers and blacks like most of the televisions you know some blend of silvers and blacks beep beep beep okay enough of that well i it is cool guys kay so are we done with the this presentation yeah ja okay now now so you are not going to find my my folder up there i got to do mine up at the board have you okay yeah yeah so can i not get your get at stuff from your shared folder now no it is not in there because i had the computer problem and i i i cou i could not create it 0 i see i see i could not create it in the powerpoint and i think i have got this really strange cable so what i had basically going from the powerpoint format is that yeah yeah i like this a lot is this one of the tests is to see how we can adapt to s changing situations in the in the meeting room nah so what we had is we had the method that is not how you spell method is it no way no a so this does not go so fast this way and when i speak about method i speak about the marketing of the product huh and to me with this product we got we got basically 3 things to market we have got the features we have the characteristics and we have the i i do not know what we would call the other part what we call you know the the the corp corporate help me the the corporation stands behind the product okay so the features i think we got the scroll we have got the the locator we have got the durability it fell off we have got the dependability we have got you know the features that make this a unique product beep beep beep the characteristics i talk about we have reliability we have comfort we have ergonomics we have environmentally s sensitive and the corporation we are talking about we are we are a new we are a new company we are wanting to make a name for ourself we are wanting you to find our product so we are going to give you a good product at a fair price one thing i would want to to see is is can we can we get a lifetime guarantee on this product a normal use guarantee which means that this product for the for the life of of the life use if it should have a technical problem that we could re replace it at no cost that was something i would be interested in so yeah without going into great details we have a we have a product it has the features and the characteristics and the background i believe to make it marketable i believe at a cost of of of 3035 to to €50 we are going to be competitive and we are going to we are going to have a market niche w do you would you a argue that that we are better going for the higher cost than bringing it down into 20 f 5 as we probably could but lowering our profit margins that that would be that would be i think a decision best made by corporate i i m for my evaluation based on what our competition is i th i think that that we can go after this and and and go after more of the exclusivity sense than the mass market sense kay but i am sh i am sure open to to market this in either direction but you guys came up with a great product and at that cost i think it there is nobody else that is putting this this combination of of ingredients together the only limitations i see to this is that we are focused on television only that is the only that is the only drawback i see to this but with all of these other features i think people c one thing i am i am hoping for is people are not going to even notice there is going to be somebody going home and say 0 sh this thing does not work for my d v d and my but i like these other things so they keep it they do not take it back and we are actually quite open to be able to expand the product for a later version with those features quite simply anyway are not we th there is no fundamentally different technology to do that well one of one of the thoughts that i had is can can this unit be be produced in a way that makes it upgradable you know like like a a sim card in a in a in a telephone you know is there a card in th can we make a card and so after w we need we need we need s some more buttons if it would to work on some other stuff but but you follow what i am s i am s we we w yeah we could get another version of it that actually works yeah cause if if we can make this unit upgradable then we are yeah but then we talk about changing the warranty concept and everything but but that is that was just an idea i had to me the only additions yeah the plus there is the the risk of making it unusable as well or making it less b because at the moment it is actually very straightforward to look at all the buttons you know what they do it is very simple and it just works yeah yep there is a risk of that but anyway that is okay so we can talk about finance now so i have a little spreadsheet for us where i i was wondering you when you talked about the €158 i was wondering how you came up with that figure well that was just just our technical team added up the production costs of the individual units okay so i have bit of a spreadsheet here for this very co very colf colorful now 0 i have made a f few assumptions here in that i am assuming that our power adaptor we can make for a cost of €4 huh equivalent to solar cells which i think is probably fair considering that we have in house manufacturing of power adaptors already huh and i am assuming that the locator beacon the you know the yeah beep beep beep can be made for it sounded different that time can be made for a similar price to an l c display an 0 sorry do you think that is fair coming from a m the manufacturing yeah i do think we that we we do not need the events chip on print we only need the the regular chip on print so there may have been a m miscalculation in there okay yep okay so we are down to 164 yeah and we and we have a single curved is that a single curved rather than a double curved i think that we have got a we have got a curve and a droop we are not entirely sure what single curve versus double cur i do not know whether that it is single curved yeah you think okay i am convinced but we save one that way yeah so we come bring it down to 154 see it is a little bit more than f single curved so yeah it is 158 that is where we came up with it well hang on do do not speak so it is in here in that w do we have any we have special form do not we okay yeah yeah we do so that is yeah ah but the the the we have not talked about any special color though i do not th if we are going for grays and silvers then i do not think we are what do you know 0 it is a that is not very special it is pretty 0 okay so we are if th push button scroll wheel we are basically we have th is this intended to be a button as well or just a scroll we do not it is a scroll that is a scroll just a scroll it is not one of the scrolls where for example with this one you could push it down to be a button no we just use it as a scroll ooh okay then we have €158 it was a pretty accurate estimate i would say it was not bad yes yeah we are wicked awesome okay so we are on to the s is kind of s frighteningly accurate yeah we are on to the pat on the back part of the presentation where we have a look at the criterias th that paul the criterion criteria that paul has has given us and we can use that to tell how is it going anyone got any thoughts what how how have we done today i think we did pretty well yeah i think we did pretty well too that looks pretty spectacular no i think we come up with a with a attractive marketable product and and concept any other chang thoughts okay so th th what about room for creativity that was is it the sh i think there was plenty of room yeah i i think we we ended up being quite creative there we got a couple innovative i yeah well we we we kinda broke we kinda at least adjusted every every criteria they gave us because we d we still have the the teletext capability in this thing right couple innovative ideas no we raised the price of it we have added 2 t new technology to it yeah so you know you know if this thing flies then we have we have adjusted or broken every every idea they gave us not every idea necessarily it is still a remote control basically yeah yeah yeah yeah no yeah but we did we did break with the specs a little bit i guess but the but i like i mean when i say we have we had i believe we have room for creativity cause w this is we did it kay leadership what do we report back to the bosses no th th i think they were r reasonably flexible with us over the whole changing the specs thing it was more of a teamwork thing then really leadership based project was yep i agree teamwork cohesive yeah synergy yes synergistic yeah there was a lot of synergy teamwork yeah he is yeah what did we think of the meeting room i guess is an important thing here these cables suck yeah this falls off and the white board worked really well without any pro yeah yep and that is yeah d you must have very long shirts that is way far down lapel mic lapel lapel lapel lapel wha okay 0 alright lapel that is almost a crotch mi cr that is it is down it is quite close you know you know what they are going to have on the recording in there from that microphone is your lunch digesting you know th keep it keep it calm 0 dear 0 dear 0 dear no more pizza for me so yeah the the pen came in alright and it is a little uncomfortable to use but i guess it works cause this is you were using it 0 upside down still that that is our boss nah i am i am not convinced of that at all i have been wor i have been wondering about that all day but see these look like they are that looks the oth that looks like it would be that way around use them like that pedro is right but it feels more comfortable wh what you call upside down pedro is right i do not care okay so that data might be slightly invalid what new ideas have we found 0 wel new ideas f for the product or for the the the the environment or what are we ta well let us do both then for the product well we had the favorites list and the scroll bar and we have the cradle and the r remote call feature 0 yeah we came up with quite a bit bunch of new ideas and for the meeting room has anyone got any more yeah comfortable headsets would be nice yeah less sore on the ears well i i mean clearly remote control microphones would be the would be a nice solution to all these cables but i am sure that there is there is some justification for these things that i do not know about and of course i did not have so much fun with my computer this afternoon it is not been it is not been cooperating so well but i do not think that is the that is avoidable could have been worse okay so are the costs within the budget n no no nope 0 hang on it really that is something we that the costs were under €1250 no requirements are changed we are still under €20 to build so we are good and the costs within the budget not the original budget but they are now is the project evaluated i think so yeah then celebration as it says hooray okay free coke provided at the cafeteria all right 0 i do not know how that got there anyway who wrote that one thank so we need to close this meeting yeah bravo thanks guys congratulations cool good job guys s i have got a lot of paperwork to catch up on so let us close this and come back and kay yeah i have got a lot of paperwork to catch up on too 0" ]

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[ "so so so so put on your mic so you forgot how this works again boss demi boss maybe maybe maybe maybe okay so we are here to talk about the detailed design of the product design of the product okay yep and here is the agenda for this meeting i am just going to open say a few boring words to start with again and start taking minutes afterwards you guys are going to give us a presentation of our wonder product that i can see some demonstrations of over there looks cool and then we are going to evaluate it then we are going to talk about finance and i have got a lovely excel spreadsheet that are knocked up in the last 5 minutes for this this and you knocked it up yep and we are going to evaluate the product and close we have got 40 minutes to do this in we should be fine let us try and keep this one on schedule alright so your thing is in where is it 3 the end product thingy yeah yeah who wants it pedro can have it i will help talk yeah so what we ended up with production cost estimated by our manufacturing department and the research department which is us is €158 someone forgot unit price unit price unit price unit production price cost thank we implemented the basic functions which is just tv functions plus the locator which was one of the marketing things cradle scroll wheel for the the channels and we implemented the part of the way of putting the new and roll positionary zapping your favorite channels functionality in the scroll zapping your favorite channels eh yeah scrolling through your favorites list okay okay zapping you know sapping ah okay that is the favorites maybe this is a portuguese thing and yeah that was the result okay i like the logo on there as well it is very prominent it is very prominent so this is the so here i will give you the so this is the cradle unit and this is the actual remote itself so the scroll bar is or the scroll wheel is this green little scrolly guy here and then the volume controls are here and here you have got the keypad which is the numbers from 0 to 9 and then 10 this is the power button we have the enter button and what is the other button here this is the teletext the start to the program button yeah the program button so this button will be used both for the favorites and for programming the type of television you want to use so the plastic is the white area of this of the model here and the red area is like a rubber covering so you can see that when it lays like this or like this and the buttons are all going to be rubber so it is pretty hard to actually damage it could that be easy for the scroll wheel to be rotated if it lands on it yeah that might be a possible problem but not helping no i guess it depends on the stiffness a little bit yeah and it depends on if it is sliding but i think it is pretty ergonomic you can feel it it feels good i take it that this is going to be slightly lighter in the yeah of course well this is clay yeah you have to reach a little yeah the power button is a bit of a reach but i think we might scale down the final model a bit ah yeah that would make sense this is a bit larger than it would be but that is cool i am impressed i do not have no one of the whole line what is the marketing perspective 0 i like it i mean you guys gave me more than i was asking for it so i am happy because we have got some really marketable features in this yeah yeah i think it is good good job pedro can demonstrate the page inability you have the base station with the little button for the where is my remote beep beep beep obla locator function that is great that is great it is great feature beep beep beep so let me get it if i press this button peep beep beep i see that is pretty cool hang on so you can take this home with you tonight and you can push that and he will be across town bo beep beep i find that no no no so the 2 blue are those for the to charge off of exactly that is exactly what those are for and there is one other feature that we were debating but we decided to go against it is you could peep peep peep we were thinking that it might be interesting to have a trigger button here because you have this finger it kind of feels like there should be something there but we could not figure out what button is important enough to put there and we do not want to accidentally be hitting the power button like that but maybe if you had a trigger plus the scroll then that would get past the problem of it landing and scrolling because then it would need to be hit in both sides so maybe in the final design phase we might tweak that a little bit okay but it is definitely got options for different types of models and things as well based on that is not it yep i like good job so is that the final color scheme as well 0 no this is just what we had to work with at the time okay so we will leave the color scheme up to the marketing people the careful it came off the scroll wheels is not the problem with them not being i do not think you are using the interface guy who wants to touch it my suggestion is we are going to my suggestion is we are going to go to the silvers and blacks like most of the televisions you know some blend of silvers and blacks peep peep peep okay enough of that that is cool guys okay so we are done with this presentation yeah yeah okay no no so you are not going to find my folder up there i have got to do mine up at the board have you okay yeah so can i not get stuff from your shared folder now no it is not in there because i had the computer problem and i 0 i see i could not create it i could not create it in the powerpoint and i think i have got this really strange cable so what i had basically going from the powerpoint format is that yeah yeah i like this a lot is this one of the tests is to see how we can adapt to changing situations in the meeting room so what we had is we had the method that is not how you spell method is it no a no a 0 come here you so this does not go so fast this way and when i speak about method i speak about the marketing of the product and to me with this product we got basically 3 things to market we have got the features we have the characteristics and we have the i do not know what we call the other part what we call you know the corporate help me the corporation stands behind a product okay so the features i think we have got to scroll we have got the locator we have got the durability we have got the dependability we have got you know the features that make this a unique product the characteristics i talk about we have reliability we have comfort we have ergonomics we have environmentally sensitive and the corporation we are talking about we are a new company we are wanting to make a name for ourselves we are wanting you to find our product so we are going to give you a good product at a fair price one thing i would want to see is can we get a lifetime guarantee on this product a normal use guarantee which means that this product for the life of the life use if it should have a technical problem that we could replace it at no cost that was something i would be interested in so yeah without going into great details we have a product that has the features and the characteristics in the background i believe to make it marketable i believe at a cost of 35 to €50 we are going to be competitive and we are going to we are going to have a market niche would you argue that we are better going for the higher cost than bringing it down to 25 as we probably could but lowering a profit margin that would be that would be i think a decision best paid by corporate for my evaluation based on what our competition is i think that we can go after this and go after more of the exclusivity sense than the mass market sense but i am sure open to market this in either direction but you guys came up with a great product and at that cost i think it there is nobody else that is putting this combination of ingredients together the only limitations i see to this is that we are focused on television only that is the only drawback i see to this but with all of these other features i think people one thing i am hoping for is people are not going to even notice there is going to be somebody going home and say 0 this thing does not work for my dvd and my but i like these other things so they keep it they do not take it back and we are actually quite open to be able to expand the product for a later version with those features quite simply anyway are not we there is no fundamentally different technology well one of the thoughts that i had is can this unit be produced in a way that makes it upgradeable you know like a sim card in a telephone you know is there a card and can we make a card and so after we need some more buttons if it would to work on some other stuff but you follow when i am yeah we could get another version of it that actually works yeah because if we can make this unit upgradable then we are but then we talk about changing the warranty concept and everything but that is that was just an idea i had to me the only additions the risk of making it unusable as well or making it less because at the moment it is actually very straightforward to look at all the buttons you know what they do it is very simple and it just works yep there is a risk of that anyway that is okay so we can talk about finance now so i have a little spreadsheet for us where i was wondering when you talked about the €158 i was wondering how you came up with that figure well that was just our technical team ended up the production cost of the individual units okay so i have a bit of a spreadsheet here for this 0 very curved i have made a few assumptions here in that i am assuming that our power adapter we can make for a cost of €4 equivalent to solar cells which i think is probably fair considering that we have in house manufacturing of power adapters already and i am assuming that the locator beacon you know the yeah it can be made for it sounded different that time it can be made for a similar price to an lc display and do you think that is fair coming from the manufacturing yeah i do think that we do not need the advanced chip on print we only need the regular chip on print so there may have been a miscalculation there okay so we are down to 164 and we have a single curved is that a single curved rather than a double curved i think that we are not entirely sure of what single we have got a curve and a droop i do not know whether that it is single curved you think okay i am not convinced we save one that way yeah so we come bring it down to see it is a little bit more than single curve so yeah it is 158 that is where we came up with it well hang on do not speak so it is in here in that do we have any we have special form do not we yeah we do so that is yeah 0 what do you know we have not talked about any special color though if we are going for gray and silvers then i do not think we are that is not very special it is pretty okay so we are push button scroll wheel where basically we have is this intended to be a button as well or just a scroll it is a scroll it is not one of the scrolls where for example with this one you could push it down to be a button no we just use it as a scroll okay then we have €158 it was a pretty pretty accurate estimate i would say 0 wicked awesome okay so we are on to the it is kind of frighteningly accurate we are on to the back part of the presentation where we have a look at the criteria that paul the criteria that paul has given us and we can use that to tell how is it gone anyone get any thoughts how have we done today i think we did pretty well yeah i think we did pretty well too that looks pretty spectacular no i think we come up with attractive marketable product and concept any other changes thoughts okay so what about room for creativity that was i think there was plenty of room i think we ended up being quite creative there yeah well we we kind of broke we kind of at least adjusted every criteria they gave us because we still have the have the teletext capability in this thing right we raised the price of it we have added new technology to it so if this thing flies then we have adjusted or broken every idea they gave us every idea necessarily it is still a remote control yeah yeah no yeah but we did break with the specs a little bit i guess but i like i mean what i say we have i believe we have room creativity because we did it okay leadership what do we report back to the bosses i think they were reasonably flexible with us over the whole changing the specs thing it was more of a teamwork thing than really leadership based plotter i agree cohesive synergy yes synergistic there is a lot of synergy teamwork yeah he is what did we think of the meeting room i guess is an important thing here these cables suck yeah this falls off and the whiteboard worked really well you must have very long shirts that is way far down lapel mike lappel lappel all right that is almost a crotch my crotch it is down it is quite close you know what you are going to have on to a crue they are going to have one of the recording in there from that microphone is your lunch digesting you know 0 dear no more pizza for me so yeah the pen came in all right and it is a little uncomfortable to use but i guess it works because you are using it the opposite arm that is our boss i am not convinced of that at all i have been wondering about that all day but see these look like they are that looks like it would be that way around but it feels more comfortable what you call upside down ah i do not care okay so that data might be slightly invalid what new ideas have we found new ideas for the product or for the environment or what we will list of both then for the product well we had the favorites list in the scroll bar and we have the cradle and the remote call feature you came up with quite a bunch of new ideas and for the meeting room does anyone get any more comfortable headsets would be nice well i mean clearly remote control microphones would be a nice solution to all these cables but i am sure that there is some justification for these things that i do not know about and of course i did not have so much fun with my computer this afternoon it is not been cooperating so well so well but i do not think that is the that is avoidable could have been worse okay so are the costs within the budget nope 0 hang on really that is something that the cost under €1250 no cramments are changed we are still under €20 to build so we are good the cost within the budget not the original budget but they are now is the project evaluated i think so yeah then celebration hooray as it says okay free cook provided at the cafeteria alright i do not know how that got there anyway who wrote that one so we need to close this meeting yeah bravo congratulations good job guys i have got a lot of paperwork to catch up on so let us close this one and come back yeah i have got a lot of paperwork to catch up right too 0 0 perfect" ]

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[ "okay hi everybody and welcome to our kick off meeting for our new product that we are going to be designing i am mandy and i am the project manager and i know all your names again courtney fenella and amber yep yep alright okay so 1st let us go through this powerpoint i wonder what button i press just do it on the arrow yeah or how about i just click okay here is our agenda for this meeting we are going to start with our opening which was our introductions we are going to get to know each other a little bit better tool training we are going to i guess figure out what to do on this project with our individual roles we are going to make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting okay here is our project we are going to make a new remote control that is original trendy and also user friendly and how we are going to do it is each of us is going to we are going to have discuss the functional design 1st how is it going to be used what is the actual goal here it has to operate t v blah blah blah and we are going to do individual work on that and then meet same thing with conceptual design just the basic overview of the project and then we are going to do individual work meet that is pretty much the the whole process for today and then the detailed design just more in depth get the actual schematics of the remote okay alright 1st we are going to start off by using our tools and the whiteboard thing do you guys want to give that a try even though the ink was not working or do you want to do it on here i think we should forgo the whiteboard since we can not actually see what we are writing we could yeah we could on here alright let us go forward then right now so we are all going to draw our favorite animal and then sum up our favorite characteristics of that animal even if you are not a good drawer like me alright artistic skills nil fine 0 thanks bless you i draw like i am in grade 5 0 do i kay about one more minute okay okay and who would like to start us off i will go alright this is my picture i drew fish i like fish because you know their whole water vascular system thing it is pretty cool and they have got a pretty good habitat and they are pretty sometimes sometimes vicious but that is okay only if they are piranhas yeah yeah they they are easy you know yeah alright who wants to go next i will go i drew a kitty it is pretty much impossible to tell that is a cat but i love cats no i i see it no i kne i knew no it looks like a cat yeah it does look like a cat i love cats because they are independent they pretty much know what they want they get it they move on i love cats too yeah i am a cat person i am allergic to cats ah i am allergic to cats too 0 okay if you are around one i had a roommate who was allergic in my next life but if she was around my cat forever she became used to it you know it is weird yeah yeah if you are around them for a long period of time i still can not sleep with them in my room okay 0 yeah this summer i 0 i had to live with cats it was crazy yeah okay fenella i drew a badger cool yay badger well yeah good choice why a badger i dunno they are grumpy and nocturnal and are you trying to suggest something well a little bit like the yes and then if you know wind in the willows badger 0 okay yeah and then i do not know if you know brian he is liverpudlian writer alright that kind of books badgers are cool in that one too okay and i am last kay look at my sad sad giraffe no that is good no no no it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur but whatever i do not know even much about giraffes but i just love the way they look they are just such odd creatures you know i i like that they are so unique and individual i guess i do not know much about their behavior or anything though only seen a couple in zoos you do not really have to i mean if you like em yeah but you can appreciate the way they look okay alright guess we are getting straight back into business here the selling price for our remote is going to be €25 and our profit aim is €50000000 we are going to make this an international product marketed in the states in europe in asia and our production cost to make that profit is going to be a max of €1250 per remote okay so we are going to talk for a little while here are some topics that we might be able to discuss expe our experiences with remote controls our 1st ideas about this new remote anything that you can bring to the table for this project so now yeah you want to start us off anybody have anything to offer well we want to make a multifunctional remote right right one remote for everything and everything being wait we have what sound system t v d v d v h s tivo right i think they will be phasing v h s out shortly yeah tivo tivo but it is still there so okay if po if we are going to do it it needs to be compatible cause universal remote controls are never universal they are never universal that is right esp e especially if you buy a a not big product d v d player say usually it does not work if it is not one of the yeah or if it is not like a sony if it is like a i do not know yeah something from sam is club so we will have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals yeah and what we need an insanely good instruction booklet because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with the remote anyways yeah kay and another thing that i think is important is the d the design of the product how it feels in your hand if it is just flat and kind of boring th those do not nobody wants to buy those any more they want the ergonomic ones they want like the flashy lights yeah 0 like this came from las vegas ones that ones that look high tech too but at the same time are simple yeah right so that people like my mother can use it what about something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand yeah kay anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that just bad ones yeah that is true what kinda battery would we want to use because battery changing is usually okay d double a double a do some of them use triple a s though yeah some use triple a s some but so double or triple okay yeah i guess then it is if we need to do triple a we can but most people usually have double a s around okay yeah but that has to do with the size of it too right yeah well w as long as we know that issue is yeah if we want it to be more thin then we would probably want to go with a triple a here we can triple a can you with a small lithium battery but it is okay we do not have to decide about it now just as long as we remember battery type and size is important hey anything else alright moving along 0 we are closing the meeting next meeting is going to start in 30 minutes here is what we are going to do the i d which is who okay you are going to think about the working design what do you think that means okay and u i d the technical fun functions design making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do the functionality of it operating all those different things okay and the marketing person that is courtney is going to do the user requirements specification i guess that means specifying what exactly the user is going to be looking for right right i would think so okay and you are going to get more specific instructions emailed to you in just a little while okay so does anybody have anything they want to say before we close the meeting okay this meeting is officially over" ]

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[ "so to start writing on here do you have to start by pressing anything on this page okay whoa i felt a buzz me too that is cool okay okay hi everybody and welcome to our kickoff meeting for our new product that we are going to be designing i am mandy and i am the project manager and i know all your names again courtney vanilla and amber all right okay so 1st let us go through this powerpoint i wonder what button i press just do it on a few arrow yeah or how about i just click okay here is our agenda for this meeting we are going to start with our opening which was our introductions we are going to get to know each other a little bit better tool training we are going to i guess figure out what to do on this project with our individual roles we are going to make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting okay here is our project we are going to make a new remote control that is original trendy and also user friendly and how we are going to do it is each of us is going to we are going to have discuss the functional design 1st how is it going to be used what is the actual goal here it has to operate the tv blah blah blah and we are going to do individual work on that and then meet same thing with conceptual design just the basic overview of the project and then we are going to do individual work that is pretty much the whole process for today and then the detail design just more in depth get the actual schematics of the remote okay all right 1st we are going to start off by using our tools and the whiteboard thing do you guys want to give that a try even though the ink was not working or do you want to do it on here i think we should forego the whiteboard since we can not actually see what we are writing we can do it on here all right let us go for it then right now so we are all going to draw our favorite animal and then sum up our favorite characteristics of that animal even if you are not a good drawer like me artistic skills no bless you i draw like i am in grade 5 okay okay okay and who would like to start us off i will go this is my picture i drew fish i like fish because and you know their whole water vascular system thing it is pretty cool and they have got a pretty good habitat and they are pretty sometimes sometimes vicious but that is okay only if they are piranhas yeah they are easy you know yeah all right who wants to go next i will go i drew a kitty it is pretty much impossible to tell that is a cat but i love cats no it looks like a cat yeah it does look like a cat i love cats because they are independent they pretty much know what they want they get it they move on i love cats too i am a cat person i am allergic to cats i am allergic to cats too 0 okay if you are around one i had a roommate who was allergic but if she was around my cat forever she became used to it yeah if you are around them for a long period of time i still can not sleep with them in my room 0 yeah this summer i live with cats it is crazy okay i drew a badger cool badger good choice why badger i do not know they are grumpy and nocturnal are you trying to suggest something well a little bit likely yeah and then she knew wind and the willers badger 0 okay yeah and then i do not know if you know brian schock he is a little peddling rider 0 right salmon dastron like red wall that kind of looks badger is cool okay and i am the last okay look at my sad sad giraffe no that is good no no no it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur but whatever i do not know even much about giraffes but i just love the way they look they are just such odd creatures you know i like that they are so unique and individual i do not know much about their behavior or anything though you do not really have to yeah you can appreciate the way they look okay all right i guess we are getting straight back into business here the selling price for our remote is going to be €25 and our profit aim is 50000000 euro we are going to make this an international product marketed in the states in europe in asia and our production costs to make that profit is going to be a max of €1250 per remote okay so we are going to talk for a little while here are some topics that we might be able to discuss our experiences with remote controls our 1st ideas about this new remote anything that you can bring to the table for this project so yeah want to start us off anybody have anything to offer well we want to make a multifunctional remote right right one remote for everything right and everything being we have what sound system tv dvd vhs i think they will be phasing vhs out shortly but it is still there so okay it is hot we are going to do it it needs to be compatible because universal remote controls are never universal they are never universal that is right especially if you buy a not big product dvd player say usually it does not work if it is not one yeah so we will have to figure out how to cover all the different variances in signals we need an insanely good instruction booklet because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with remote anyways okay and another thing that i think is important is the design of the product how it feels in your hand if it is just flat and kind of boring those do not nobody wants to buy those anymore they want the ergonomic ones they want the flashy lights they are like this came from las vegas ones vegas ones that look high tech too but at the same time it is like right so that people like my mother something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand yeah anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that just bathroom yeah that is true what kind of battery would we want to use because battery changing is usually double a okay does some of them use aaas though yeah some use triple a is so double or triple yeah i guess then it is if we need to do aaa you can but most people usually have double a is around okay yeah but that has to do with the size of it too well as long as we know that issue is yeah if we want it to be more thin then we would probably want to go with a aaa could you could go with a small lithium battery it is okay we do not have to decide about it now just as long as we remember battery type and size is important hey anything else all right moving along 0 we are closing the meeting next meeting is going to start in 30 minutes here is what we are going to do the id which is who okay you are going to think about the working design what do you do that okay and uid the technical functions design making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do the functionality of it operating all those different things okay and the marketing person courtney is going to do the user requirements specification i guess that means specifying what exactly the user is going to be looking for right right i would think so okay and you are going to get more specific instructions emailed to you in just a little while okay so does anybody have anything they want to say before we close the meeting okay this meeting is officially over" ]

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[ "okay good morning everybody i am glad you could all come i am really excited to start this team i am just going to have a little powerpoint presentation for us for our kick off meeting my name is rose lindgren i i will be the project manager our agenda today is we are going to do a little opening and then i am going to talk a little bit about the project then we will move into acquaintance such as getting to know each other a little bit including a tool training exercise and then we will move into the project plan do a little discussion and close since we only have 25 minutes 1st of all our project aim we are creating a new remote control which we have 3 goals about it needs to be original trendy and user friendly i am hoping that we can all work together to achieve all 3 of those so we are going to divide us up into 3 compa 3 parts 1st the functional design which will be 1st we will do individual work come into a meeting the conceptional design individual work and a meeting and then the detailed design individual work and a meeting so that we will each be doing our own ideas and then coming together and collaborating okay we are going to get to know each other a little bit so what we are going to do is start off with let us start off with amina alima sorry alima alima we are going to do a little tool training so we are going to work with that whiteboard behind you introduce yourself say one thing about yourself and then draw your favorite animal and tell us about it okay i do not know which one of these i have to bring with me probably both right so i am supposed to draw my favorite animal i have no drawing skills whatsoever but let us see introduce myself my name is alima bucciantini i am from the state of maine in the us i am doing nationalism studies blah blah blah and i have no artistic talents how do you spell your name a l i m a thanks 0 and i guess i am the industrial designer on this project so let us see if i can get here i will draw a little turtle for you all not necessarily cause it is my absolute favorite animal but just that i think they are drawable and you have the pretty little shell going on some little eyes happy there you go that is a turtle yes so what are your favorite characteristics i i like the whole having a shell thing it is quite cool carry your home around where you go quite decorative little animals they can swim they can they are very adaptable they carry everything they need with them and they are easy to draw excellent shall we just go around the table okay well my name is iain and i am the user interface designer for the project and i will try and draw my favorite animal no you can erase the turtle it is alright i will i should leave that one on there should not i before i callously rub it off might be nice to have them all up there at same time i am not going to draw it quite to scale is that at least identifiable snake well it is a whale yes em well snake it is w thanks 0 my god it is better than what i am going to be able to do and yeah the reason i like whales is cause they are well 1st of all they are quite intelligent and also they are they are kind of mysterious like we do not really know much about them or or understand how they work how they form groups and i just find them interesting animals take my contraptions with me alright i am jessy i am from around d c ish sort of in the u s and we are going to keep the deep sea sort of theme going on animal do not really know how to draw this just where can i maybe if i do the water but how sort of give an idea i have no idea how one would explain this maybe with some whiskers briefly it is supposed to be a seal you can imagine it in the water i like them because they are like playful and silly sort of have a good time not going to try and pretend like i can get any better than that kay kay i am rose and i am project manager from california s 0 a cat it is definitely significantly harder once you are doing it yeah it is actually a coyote let us see right that is impressive let us see let us give it a little bit of a snout i do not know some teeth that is yeah that is pretty impressive cool 0 dear yes i live i live right across the street from an open space in california we have coyotes howl all the time so i really enjoy their their singing you they are really beautiful animals okay moving on to slightly more serious stuff we are going to talk about project finances we have a couple we would like to sell it for about €25 with the profit aim of €15000000 from our sales and because this is such this is for television it is a we have a market range of internet like it is an international market range we do not have to worry about specifics in order to make a profit of this magnitude we need to be able to produce each one at a maximum of €1250 so we are selling it for twice what we would like to produce it for okay just to generate a little bit of discussion about the project i could i would like to hear about your experiences using ro remote controls your 1st ideas about creating a new r remote control what would be the best like you what are the features that you really like what are the features that you do not like etcetera so i hate when there is like 4 different buttons and you have to press to actually turn on the t v like you have to do one for the power of the t v and then like another one to get the actual screen on and something else to get it all going i do not know now they keep combining all different remotes together and i do not know if i necessarily like that cause i feel like you end up with multimedia overload i just want to watch the t v always gets lost some sort of like device to help you find it i have used i have used remote controls for things like t v and the c d player and video recorder and i i guess they are they are pretty neat neat little tools you do not have to get up and walk across the room to change a channel so especially if you are someone really lazy like me they they are pretty nice i find them they can be a bit annoying especially like you know if i am watching t v i have have to have 3 separate remote controls of in front of me you know one for the t v one for the digital box one for m the video recorder as well and also they tend to they tend to be a bit confusing they have got too many buttons on them too too sort of too sort of complicated when all i really want to do is switch on and off change the channel change the volume yeah i agree with having too many remotes around my dad has a whole drawer at home of remotes for various things and i do not know how to work half of them what is important for me i guess is that it is easy to use and that there is not too many buttons they are not too small you know you know you need to n to know what you are doing and one thing i particularly like is if you are not sort of moving it around to get it to work with the infra red yeah yeah i think there is a way around that but i know in my residence right now the the television you sort of have to walk all around the room to get it to turn on so i it is just simpler just to just turn around the t v itself and i think that is if we are going to make a remote control it should actually work for what it is doing so what about like batteries and things like that like are there some remotes that don do not require like batteries or do all remotes require batteries i would imagine all of them i know but we could but it is possible we could use like a lithium battery that would last a lot longer than like double a s yeah something that does not like tho those are the batteries that are used in a lot of m p 3 players now and that kind of thing okay it seems we have a little bit of a conflict over to combining all the remotes cont together versus having f 5 different remotes so like you said you do not like having all the buttons on one on one remote and yet you do not want to have 5 remotes so how do we work with that yeah could we get something that just has no does not have all the buttons that you need to program the video recorder or program s other things that i am not very coherent about but that just has your major buttons for that work for everything you know volume control on off channel changing and maybe that spatially divides it so it is like if you are looki if you are trying to get the t v on that is you know like the top thing on the remote i dunno if d be vertical or horizontal in terms of how we are going to make it yeah but if it is like all the t v stuff was here then all the v c r stuff was here all the whatever else we have programmed into it it is all just in its separate place and not like all the on buttons together n that way yeah cause then you like i do not even know what i am turning on yeah and if if you would save the more complicated functions maybe for separate remotes that you would not need to use every day okay so maybe have like one remote that has the main functions on off channel changing volume and another rote remote with all the special things because that is one thing that remotes tend to have buttons that the t v s no longer have as well yeah so like you have to have them somewhere cause you are going to m need those special functions occasionally yeah right but not necessarily on the m the normal remote can i ask are we designing a remote control for a television only and if if this device is just to be used for the television good question would we even technically be possible to include video recorder functions on it i do not know that yet or should we just stick to just stick to having television television related buttons on it it is a good question i will look into that if i can i think it is just t v i mean if it if we are taking it just new product a new television remote control that is not like does not say yeah you know things might be more advanced than that so we should maybe we should assume that i t it is just a television that we are wanting to control well i mean i suppose it would be nice to have playing and record and stop buttons on it for the video recorder as well i i do not know if that works technologically or not yes i guess we have to define what what we are aiming for if it is just a television then that it is a bit simpler cause there is less buttons that would even need to be on it yeah it is an idea with the buttons being really large yeah if you have older people or people like me that are not very co ordinated hand eye it is really quite important that you are not pressing a small like teeny mobiles phone size buttons if we can help it yeah okay kay sounds like we have had a good little discussion for our 1st ideas mind if we move on ps okay kay now our next meeting starts in 30 minutes i believe we have actually been only working on this this one for about 20 so we can continue discussing more new ideas if you would like but this is just a breakdown of what we will be doing individually the industrial design alima will be doing the working design yeah the user interface designer that is for technical functions i guess like keeping in mind the buttons thing the size of the buttons user requirements so you will be hearing about different trends about different things that people need i guess kind of the same discussion that we have been having we will get from the actual consum s consumers kay and you will get specific instructions sent by your personal coach i realized in this past one we we did not have much we just wanted to get a little brain storming done so very exited to see all your animals and how what wonderful artists we all are any questions what we are going to be discussing at the next meeting do we know that i have not gotten an agenda yet i will put that together i am sure as we will each get our own instruction and then because what we going to do is 1st our individual actions and then we will come back together right yep so i am sure we will all have more concrete things to contribute next time kay yep i am sure we will be busy kay i will type up mi minutes and probably email those out to all of you okay just including all the things that we talked about can you e mail your slides as well is that possible yes i yes i think i can cool i will just attach it to an email and you are you are number 234 i am 2 i am 4 is that correct okay alright excellent it was lovely meeting you all kay just make sure you keep checking the company web site and the emails kay let me see if i can do that right now" ]

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[ "i am okay good morning everybody i am glad you could all come i am really excited to start this team i am just going to have a little powerpoint presentation for us for our kickoff meeting my name is rose lindgren and i will be the project manager our agenda today is we are going to do a little opening and then i am going to talk a little bit about the project then we will move into acquaintance just getting to know each other a little bit including a tool training exercise and then we will move into the project plan do a little discussion and then we will move into the project plan do a little discussion and closed since we only have 25 minutes 1st of all our project aim we are creating a new remote control which we have 3 goals about it needs to be original trendy and user friendly i am hoping that we can all work together to achieve all 3 of those so we are going to divide this up into 3 parts 1st the functional design which will be 1st we will do individual work come into a meeting the conceptual design individual work in a meeting and then the detailed design individual work and a meeting so that we will each be doing our own ideas and then coming together and collaborating okay we are going to get to know each other a little bit so what we are going to do is start off with let us start off with amina alima sorry alima we are going to do a little tool training so we are going to work with that whiteboard behind you introduce yourself say one thing about yourself and then draw your favorite animal and tell us about it okay i do not know which one of these i have to bring with me probably both right so i am supposed to draw my favorite animal i have no drawing skills whatsoever but let us see introduce myself my name is alima bucintini i am from the state of maine in the u s i am doing nationalism studies blah blah blah and i have no artistic talent how do you spell your name a l i m a thanks 0 and i guess i am the industrial designer on this project so let us see if i can get here i will draw a little turtle for you all not necessarily because it is my absolute favorite animal but just that i think they are you have a pretty little shell going on some little eyes happy there you go it is a turtle so what are your favorite characteristics i like the whole having a shell thing it is quite cool carry your home around where you go quite decorative little animals they can swim they can they are very adaptable they carry everything they need with them and they are easy to draw excellent so we just go around the table okay well my name is ian i am using the user in space to learn for the budget and i am trying to one like i know i should leave that one on no you can erase the turtle it is all right it might be nice to have them all up there at the same time i am not going to draw it quite at this game is that at least an idea of where else it is aware it is a way 0 my god so is what i am in a real yeah the reason i like wales is because they are well they are quite intelligent and also they are kind of mysterious like you do not really know much about them or understand how they work how they are doing good it is quite a bit interesting element yeah come on contraptions with me all right i am jesse i am from around d c ish sort of in the us and we are going to keep this and we are going to keep the deep sea sort of theme going on are animals i do not really know how to draw this i just sort of going on maybe i do the water will help sort of give an idea i have no idea how one would explain this explain this maybe some whiskers basically it is supposed to be a seal you can imagine it in the water i like them because they are like playful and silly sort of have a good time i am not going to try to pretend like it can get any better than that okay okay i am rose and i am project manager i am from california it is definitely it is actually a coyote let us see it is definitely a little bit of a snout i do not know some teeth yeah that is pretty impressive 0 dear yes i live right across the street from an open space in california now we have coyotes all the time so i really enjoy their singing and they are really beautiful animals okay moving on to slightly more serious stuff we are going to talk about project finances we have a couple we would like to sell it for about €25 with a profit aim of €50000000 from all our sales and because this is such this is for television we have a market range of like it is an international market range we do not have to worry about specifics in order to make a profit of this magnitude we need to be able to produce each one at a maximum of €1250 so we are selling it for twice what we would like to produce it for okay just to generate a little bit of discussion about the project i would like to hear about your experiences using remote controls your 1st idea is about creating a new remote control what would be the best what are the features that you really like what are the features that you do not like like et cetera i hate when there is 4 different buttons and you have to press to actually turn on the tv like you have to do one for the power of the tv and then like another one to get the actual screen on and something else to get it all going i do not know now they keep combining all different remotes together and i do not know if i necessarily like that because i feel like you end up like multimedia overload i just want to watch the tv always gets lost some sort of like device to help you find it i have used remote controls as a tv and the cd player and the video in the corner and i guess they are definitely more little tools so we do not have to get up and walk across the media channel especially if you are a single really lazy like me but i find that they can be a bit annoying especially like when i watch a tv i have to have the set of the controls one for the tv one for the digital box one for the video recording as well and also they tend to be a bit confusing they have got too many buttons on them it is too sort of complicated when all i really want to do is all i really want to do is switch on and off change the channel change the volume yeah i agree with having too many remotes around my dad has a whole drawer at home of remotes for various things and i do not know how to work half of them what is important for me i guess is that it is easy to use and that there is not too many buttons they are not too small you do not need to know what you are doing and one thing i particularly like is if you are not sort of moving it around to get it to work with the infrared yeah i think there is a way around that but i know in my residence right now the television you sort of have to walk all around the room to get it to turn on so it is just simpler just to just turn around the tv itself and i think that is if you are going to make a remote control it should actually work for what do we it is about like batteries and things like that are there some remotes that do not require batteries or do all remotes require batteries i would imagine all of them but we could but it is also we could use like a lithium battery that would last a lot longer than like double a is like those are the batteries that are used in a lot of mp 3 players now and that kind of thing okay it seems we have a little bit of a conflict over combining all the remotes together versus having 5 different remotes so like you said you do not like having all the buttons on one remote and yet you do not want to have 5 remotes so how do we work with that could we get something that just has it does not have all the buttons that you need to program the video recorder or programs other things that i am not very coherent about but that just has your major buttons that work for everything you know volume control on off channel changing and maybe that spatially divides it so it is like if you are looking if you are trying to get the tv on that is you know like the top thing on the remote i do not know if it would be vertical or horizontal in terms of how we are going to make it but if it is like all the tv stuff is here then all the vcr stuff is here all the whatever else you have programmed into it it is all just in its separate place and not like all the on buttons together because then you are like i do not even know what i am turning on yeah and if you would save the more complicated functions maybe for separate remotes that you would not need to use every day okay so maybe have like one remote that has the main functions on off channel changing volume and another remote with all the special things because that is one thing that remotes tend to have buttons that the tvs no longer have as well so like you have to have them somewhere because you are going to need those special functions occasionally but not necessarily on the normal remote can i ask are we designing a remote control for television only good question and if this device is just to be used for the television would we even technically be possible to do i do not know that yet i think to television television that is a good question i will look into it i think it is just tv i mean if it if we are taking it just for what it said new product and new television remote control it is not like it does not say you know things might be more advanced than that so we should maybe we should assume that it is just the television that they want it to think of it however i mean i suppose it would be nice to have playing and recording stuff like and run it from video recording i do not know if that works technologically or not so i guess we have to define what we are aiming for if it is just a television then that is a bit simpler have been simpler because there is less buttons that would even need to be on it yeah i see an idea of the buttons being visible and large if you have older people or people like me that are not very coordinated hand eye it is really quite important that you are not pressing a small teeny mobile phone size buttons if we can help it okay sounds like we have had a good little discussion for our 1st ideas mind if we move on okay okay now our next meeting starts in 30 minutes i believe we have actually been only working on this one for about 20 so we can continue discussing more new ideas if you would like but this is just a breakdown of what we will be doing individually the industrial design aleema we will be doing the working design user interface designer that is for you technical functions i guess like keeping in mind the buttons thing the buttons thing the size of the buttons user requirements so you will be hearing about different trends about different things that people need i guess kind of the same discussion that we have been having will get from actual consumers and you will get specific instructions sent by your personal coach i realized in this past when we did not have much we just wanted to get a little brainstorming done so very excited to see all your animals and how what wonderful artists we all are any questions i have not gotten an agenda yet i will put that together i am sure as we will each get our own instructions because what we are going to do is 1st our individual actions and then we will come back together sure i will have more concrete things to contribute next time i am sure we will be busy okay i will type up minutes and probably email those out to all of you just including all the things that we talked about yes i think i can i will just attach it to you and you are number 234 is that correct okay all right it was lovely meeting you all to keep checking the company website and the emails" ]

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[ "good to see you all again let us see if that comes up this is our functional design meeting just a sec while my powerpoint comes up et voila okay we put the fashion in electronics let us start okay our agenda today just check the time it is 1213 i am going to do an opening talk about did you all get the minutes i e mailed them to you i am also putting em them in the shared folder yep so then i we will talk about our general objectives and have your 3 presentations right i will talk about the new project requirements i have just received and then we have to make a decision on our remote control functions finally we will just close we are starting this meeting at approximately 1213 and we have 40 minutes so 1st of all the functional design objectives we need to keep in mind the user requirement specification what needs and desires are to be fulfilled the functions design what effects the apparatus should have and the working design how the apparatus actually works to fulfill its function okay 3 presentations you can go in any order you choose shall we go in the order that you just did it sure please do i dunno how do i hook my screen up i think you might have to disconnect rose yes i do yeah well there is a wee a wee plug just just that one there where does it go i am not supposed to move this but ah that is it yep and then you have to press function f 8 i think it is on your laptop function f 8 yeah where is function the blue one f n no signal is it plugged in all the way and you screwed it in and ah wait is screw in yeah i i think you just have to push it in really hard push the screw that is it 0 got it kay alright it is taking it a little bit i have never attached to anything neither have i kay there you go alright so i do not know if you guys are able to get access to the report that was online or if i am the only one who is alright but i do not even know how to play this no press the little presentation it is the it looks like a y kind of over there above draw there that one there you go alright so we are just going to talk a little bit about the functional requirements that people specified when they were asked i guess real reaction did some market research they had a 100 subjects and their usability lab and they watched them watch t v and recorded the frequency that they used particular buttons and the relevance that those buttons had what they found was they analyzed people is desires and needs focusing on their desires people specifically said that they thought remotes were ugly 75% of the a 100 subjects noted that and that they more importantly though 80% said that they would be willing to pay more for a fancier looking remote i do not know anything beyond what fancy means but that is particularly of use to us i think also they did some questions on voice recognition and found that the desire for voice recognition was inversely related to age so younger people were more inclined to want something with voice recognition whereas the older people in the like 60 and above segment or so did not really think that they would pay more money for voice recognitions people also had certain frustrations that i think that we could try to take into consideration with kay our design that being people k frustrated with losing their remotes i think over 50% of the people mentioned that that was their biggest frustration people are also frustrated with the difficulty it is to learn how to use a remote and i think that ties back to what you were saying before just that there is too many buttons it just needs to be easy to use it also mentioned something called r s i and i was hoping someone might be able to inform me as to what r s i is because i do not know repetitive strain injury what repetitive strain injury ah there we go wow so if you people do not like that so i guess sort of the carpal tunnel type thing people do not like that the repetitive use i guess caused a strain looking at the needs people specified the problem right now is that people is remotes are not matching their operating behavior people are only using 10% of the buttons that they have offered to them on their remote and what people do most often is changing the channel and changing the volume people also zap like to change the channel about 65% during an hour of use so we really just need to focus in on those volumes and channel changers rather than things like the audio settings the screen settings and the channel settings because they are used much more infrequently and probably just complicate what is going on so i think that some things that we might want to think about the idea of an l c d screen was brought up although they did not have any details on what people is preferences on that were so i dunno know if that is coming to me later or something like that but something for us to consider also just the phenomenon that less is more when it comes to the buttons on the remote or what we want to make easiest to use make sure that you know something like an audio setting is not given as much importance and visibility on the remote as something like channel changing that is used a lot more often and basically in order for us to win over to the consumer we just need to focus on what it looks like that it has a fancy appeal and that it is not ugly and that it feels like the way they are going to use it so it does not give them any hand injuries or things like that thank you very much that was that was great kay is move on to the next presentation on effects was that you great yeah have i unscrewed it push user interface right interface here we go cheers and i think that is in the shared if i did it right if anyone wants to look at it kay thank you okay great okay here we go right so i am going to talk about the technical technical functions design of the remote control we need to start by considering what a remote control actually is it is a device that allows us to produce certain effects on our television so i it is basically a communication device we we tell the remote control what we want to do it sends a message to the television saying change the channel change the volume yeah adjust these settings adjust the brightness how do we actually go about designing a new television remote control 1st thing to do is to come up with the design specifications we need to know what our final product is going to be like so we need a a clear idea of exactly what this product does how it works and what the end user is going to want from this product 0 a way i would suggest that we could go about this is by designing several different prototypes of user interfaces for this product and then trying to get some feedback about h how well these particular prototypes work sorta find out what people think of em using a remote control is is quite a subjective experience and different different people sort of prefer different things we should remember that remote controls are a a fairly standard piece of equipment when a users using a remote control he or she expects the buttons to be in certain places so in some sense we are going to we are going to have to aim for a device which is fairly conventional in design so that we are not completely shocking people but i think within that there is also room for us to introduce novel ideas and to make something that is that is perhaps a little bit different something that stands out also in in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities the 1st of these is is technological ye what can we do with the current state of technology as it is the 2nd is is economic we need to find a balance between features and price so as you mentioned things like voice recognition would would add to the price but it would also im improve the design of the product so i had a look on the on the web to see if i could find a few examples of existing television remote controls in analyzing these we can consider what what things what is good about them what things do they get right what is bad about them what is wrong with em how we can improve on the designs that that that i found and what can we do to make our product stand out from from the large majority of remote controls here is 2 examples probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum on the left here we have got an engineering based design for a remote control so it is one that has got lots of buttons it is it is fully featured everything you might possibly want to do is there you know it has got forward backwards up down channel numbers volume freeze frame yeah it is it is fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to use it but once you have learned it you can you can do whatever you want with your t v the one on the right is a lot more basic it is just got the essential functions of the t v changing the channel play stop volume it would be a lot quicker to learn to use it but again th it is it is swings and roundabouts there are disadvantages you can not use it say to to freeze the television picture there is a lot of features that are missing from that remote control so we have got to to find our find a way of striking a balance between the 2 as i said before remote controls are subjective different people want want different things personally wa what i want from a remote control is a device that is simple it it is easy to use it has got big buttons for doing the things i do most often changing the volume changing the channel it it does everything that i need it to as i said before i am quite lazy i do not want to walk across the room just to adjust my television i also want something that that looks cool and that that feels good that is ergonomically designed kay thank you very much that was very useful it is funny to see the drastic difference between those 2 remotes and neither of them were very pretty you know no yeah i think that could be our selling point a fashion fashion remote i think there is there is certainly a market for technology that looks cool right and i think that is that is why companies like apple have have have made a lot of progress yeah right i really can not see what i am doing so does anyone have a you there it is ah ha look at that showing up already lovely so wait did it let you go on the internet or was that just what it let you see that was just on the d on the company web site yeah okay cause i was like googling and then i am like wait it will not let me google yeah alright no how do i play again the it is right above draw there are 3 thingy if it is way at the bottom ah under 3 icons and it is the one that looks like a desk yeah that one there are y s okay so this is our working design presentation i had a bit of some issues with this because i was not able to find everything i needed but i guess that is we are still in early stages so yeah this is this though th the thing about working design is the what we are trying to do as a working design is figure out how the aparata apparatus can fulfill its function one of the examples that kept coming up for me is that a coffee grinder it works because it converts electrical energy to grinding the beans and then you put the bean through a filter and that filters out and then you get coffee at the end that is nice and hot because of the combination of electrical energy and then the other things that are brought in to make it work do not know if i am explaining that very well but how do i get to the next s ah so h the method as working designers figure out what you need to make it fulfill this practical function what what needs to be done and how do we convert all the elements to make that done so wha the easiest thing to do is to break down all the points at which you need something to happen so you make a schematic of the way that the the energy is converted tsh towards this practical function and then i think the easiest thing to do is going to be work on each task separately so you just press yeah just click that will be fine so the findings that i got very just very briefly is that you have a choice of the way that the information is projected to the receiver and in my opinion infra red is the best way to do that cause you do not need a sight line so that is one thing we are going to work on the user interface is critical here because a lot of the things that happen in a remote control happen through the chip that controls that converts the electrical energy into data which then goes through the infra red so the the chip that i think ian is designing is going to be crucial and really it all comes down to the to the user because they are the one that is controlling most of the working design so the components that we find here are the energy source you know the battery or whatever that is going to m make it work then the chip which converts the data the user that is controlling the chip and the infra red bulb that is going to let us move the data to the receiver so you have 4 main components and they are designed sort of like this you have your energy source right there which then brings energy or information to the chip which is also controlled by the users you have energy going to the user who is controlling the chip ooh is not what i wanted to do yeah use that thing you can go back previous previous sorry about that guys pardon 0 0 well no no no no no okay okay let us just get back to my schematic here ye double click on it with the right with the left hand one w yeah yeah i think it is frozen here do not show me that tip again there we are there we are sorry about this guys i am kind of pathetic with things like this alright so you have your energy source your user interface who is controlling the chip the chip also uses the energy and the chip through the use of the user interface is going to control the switch which will work your infra red bulb which will then bring the data to the receiver so hopefully that makes sense for everyone in my kind of garbled way this is the the parts of the working design that need to be figured out and personal preferences besides the fact that i can not spell we need a long lasting energy source people do not want to be changing it a lot we need a chip that works well with the user interface that is not too complicated we need a straightforward interface like ian was saying simple not overwhelming it with information and we need a reliable and clear infra red signal so that you are not waving your remote around and having to get frustrated and go do it by hands so that is pretty much it for the working design excellent so rose do you think you can give me a hand with this yes absolutely ah i can never tell which way to turn these things yeah lefty loosey righty tighty right yeah what is up lefty loosey lefty loosey righty tighty never heard that before that is good 0 yes i will think of that every time now it is going to stick in your head yeah that is a good one it will stick with you kay i have nothing on my screen just a sec here we are ooh no signal okay yeah it is fine okay requirements we have a couple new requirements that i was just e mailed right before the meeting and that we have to keep in in in mind as we are creating this okay we did not bring it up yet or at all in the meetings so far but we are not going to work with teletext because well it that has been taken over by the internet so we are not going to worry about we are not going to worry about that what is teletext it is a british thing 0 you do not have it in the states 0 so no it no w d could would you care to explain it 0 i did not realize yeah it is like a i suppose it is kind of similar to a very very basic web browser you have like you have numbers on your remote control y and you type in the page number you want so like you type a 100 on your remote control and this this kind of index appears on the television screen with just some some text and some very blocky looking graphics on it and you just type numbers to go to different pages and it gives you information mostly rather boring stuff like what is on t v next and share prices and that kind of thing s lottery numbers and sport scores yep news headlines but if you ever see the t v saying like go to page 160 on ceefax now that is what they are talking about how 0 it is earl it is pretty old technology it is like 1980s okay that explains a lot i have no idea why we do not have it but that is good interesting okay well we are not going to the management has decided we are not going to work with that okay and we are also going to w like your question earlier whether this is going to be t for television video or etcetera just for television that is what we are focused on right otherwise becomes to complex we want to get this out very quickly we only have a a short amount of time kay and finally there is more marketing i think our corporate image has to be recognizable so while we are going to make it look pretty we need to use our color and our slogan i in the new design so what is our corporate image like it is it is kind of yellow color with we put fashion in electronics looks like yeah kind of a yellow and black and we have that the emphasis on the r s in it is like double r yeah but it is yeah we put the fashion in electronics so we got to keep that in that in mind okay so we want something that looks good yep yep and is yellow yeah or ha maybe some buttons could be yellow okay like we can we can play around with it a little bit okay we need to talk about our functions and our target group we need to decide who our target group is you in your analysis of different market of the marketing you identified that different groups wanted different things or had certain preferences for example that that older people did not really care for voice recognition but younger people did and so who are we aiming this at well if we are going to say that function fashion we put the fashion in in electronics then you automatically i think a sort of younger group that that is who is going to be attracted to this yes i do think who is going to have the money to buy that also that one it is going to be €25 remember so it has to be avai marketable to whomever it is is it is it something that is going to be sold separately from the television or is it something that comes w with a television cause that would affect the way that we market it well at least right now what we are doing is deciding on just the remote itself so it will probably be sold separately €25 by itself right right okay the only break down that i was given in terms of age was the voice activation and basically there is a big jump after 35 people do not really care if it has voice so it is like basically 15 to 35 that think that that is a good idea i dunno i am going to be given any other numbers broken down in terms of age later but if that is sort of the only quality that we have that is divided into age then we would want to stick between the 15 and 35 range yeah that is probably a population w quite a little bit of disposable income for use on technology anyway so that might be a fairly good target group for us yeah now those are that is all specific for speech recognition are we going to use that as one of our functions i i would say no because it is going to add too much to the price especially if we are marketing it as a separate product people are going to be paying well we have got a price limit of was it €12125 for to produce it to produce it yeah to produce it yes and i wonder if we can get voice recognition into that €125 without having to make too many other compromises but what else are we going to put i mean not that i am really gung ho about it i do not know what else you can put in a remote to make it technologically advanced though so like other than just making it look good yeah how is it i mean it can look really great and still have the same up n down buttons and why is anyone going to buy a new remote but right well but why are we why are we aiming for a technological advancement everything we are talking about is ease of use and simple and that does not necessarily mean more technology in fact it could use it could mean not that is a good thing to keep in mind if they might be overwhelmed with with remotes that have too many buttons and too much technology if someone is looking to buy a new remote do not they want like an upgrade i dunno upgrade well we can look for we can look at upgrade or we can look at user friendly yeah simplification yeah simplification so they could have a crap remote that came with their t v that is just impossible to use or maybe it broke or maybe they are just missing it huh and we also need to talk about if we are only going to have the very simple ones or also have the other ones just separate somehow or can you like i mean this may be too complicated but i wish i had something to explain it like if it was just a simple yeah either this way or this way that had like the main buttons and then you could like pull something out kind of and like you got the rest the buttons but the rest of them like went in ooh the remote there are remote controls like that yeah do you know what i am saying kind of pull out of the side like some t v s they have a sort of a sliding screen on the remote control of it that hides all the complicated buttons ooh so if you want to do something complicated like program your television or re tune it then you you open up this little hatch or or slide the screen down and there is all the all the special buttons cause then is like people who do not want to ever look at them never even have to see them and if you like get the instruction manual that comes with it and you just do not even read it then you will never even know that those things can pull out yeah and you are a happy person and everyone else does not have to have like 2 remotes one that has the easy ones and one that has yeah that is a good idea more complicated ones but is all still in one yeah i think that is a good idea yeah we have to be careful that that that does not impede the chip transmitting information but that is going to be mostly technological thing yeah good point yeah yeah okay so what are we emphasizing i what in this project si simplicity and fashion i think simplicity fashion simplicity and fashion yeah okay those are very good goals i think that we have to keep in mind in with everything we do simplicity and fashion and yeah or usability speci however you want to say that which includes an emphasis on making the infra red very functional so that you do not have to travel around a lot yeah yeah what can you do to like make the infra red more functional like why would it not be i am just wondering i think it is a lot to do with battery but that is just my okay the battery and that i think that the chip takes the data and presents it well without sort of scattering so is just the quality of the chip yeah i think so okay the quality quality of all the components really i mean we can not really do anything shoddy work cause it is yeah going to be visible down the line so our target group we are saying 15 to 35 well i dunno how useful that number is if we are not doing s voice recognition which i kind of i kind of feel like voice recognition is not necessary in a remote control yeah yeah i do not like it might be necessary for a t v but not for the remote c you know it is yeah it is pretty it is pretty high tech seems a little bit yeah yeah and it might be too expensive and if the whole idea is you are using a remote then why would you have voice like you know what i mean and then it is like you would not need a remote you would just talk to your t v yeah it is for like the ultimately lazy people who can not even be bothered to pick up the remote ooh yeah yeah maybe i mean if i get m more numbers i will e mail you before the next meeting in terms of ages i but this does not divide up anything and there was only a 100 subjects also which is not i mean really is not that representative especially if it is a 100 subjects that th they then can subdivide into age groups that means there is very few in each age group so yeah but i th i think regardless we are we are aiming for the under 65 or something under 65 okay that is a good start yep i would say we are can we narrow it down to maybe teenagers and families cause that would go up to like 50 or like single professionals or something 20 to like 55 okay single yeah i dunno it is it is hard to narrow it down it is really hard to figure out right now i think the product appeals across a quite a broad range of ages i mean we we said simplicity is is one of the features so it is going to appeal to people maybe people who have problems with technology you know people who get scared by having lots of buttons and that might be older people okay but then we have also got fashion which is something that definitely appeals to younger people yeah well maybe we do not have to defi define the target group by the demographic of age maybe we can define it by like the demographic of right like h t how much money they have to spend or something like that like yeah yeah aim for a an income group that is a good point well obviously it has to be someone who owns a television and like how recently have they bought their television like that sort of thing yeah so maybe it is more useful to d d to define objectives like fashion and simplicity than to find specific target group as far as age is because yeah t probably yeah yeah things so different will appeal to different people but okay 0 there are a couple functions do we want something so that do we want some kind of thing to find it if it is lost yeah like a button on a t v you can press and it will ring or something i do not know like or beep h i mean like i said before 50% of of the fru f like frustration someone can have that was the biggest one and half the people said that happened and we all mentioned it before we knew about it yeah and if we are talking about making something easy that sort of goes along with it so it would not be like a random thing to sort of add in it would be relevant to like the overall goal i think so yeah that will probably be good okay we have to we have about 4 minutes left to define our functions so let us do that quickly so we want something to keep it from getting lost yep yeah and we want we want large buttons for the essential things yeah yeah large accessible buttons for the essentials we want a possibility to to get a possibility to get the extra functions yeah which are kind of hidden away in some way or well not hidden but they are they are not as prominent as the main features yeah hidden way and we also want it to be fashionable which i am not sure if that is a function so much as a yeah on your coffee table it is not like an eye sore that kind of thing yeah alright okay do it any other essential functions that we need battery do we need a long life battery battery battery use yeah but i think that goes in with simplicity and ease of use really yeah but we might as well so you never have to change the battery yeah we should maybe investigate whether it needs a battery at all i suspect the remote control does need a battery but yeah i would imagine yeah i dunno if you can just cause it is an electronic device the yeah it i think it does i do not i do not think of a way you can operate a chip and convert that much data without without one yeah without the energy yeah but you could maybe have it in a little charging station like a mobile phone or like a little cradle for your ipod yeah that is that is possible you could we could maybe do that instead yeah so you do not ha you got like a rechargeable battery charging yeah i dunno that might contribute to less people losing it too if it it stays in one place we have to think about space in living rooms too like cause they are i mean would you put it on top of the t v i do not know just think okay that is that is a good idea we will keep it yeah think it is that is just off the top of my head and maybe fun okay kay we are going to conclude now has everyone said their functions and kay yep after the meeting we are going to each complete a sks a questionnaire and a summaries summary i do not know what summarisation and then we will have our lunch break after that we have 30 minutes of individual work i will make sure to put up the minutes and the project documentation and including these powerpoint slides if everyone could do that as well that would be great you each have individual actions i i d industrial design you have your components concept user interface the user interface concept market trend wa watching and as as per last time you will get specific incrat instructions from your personal coach e mailed to you and hopefully i hope next time you will be able to access more of the web site that they they seem to tell you that you could yeah who knows it is kinda frustrating but be sure to note any frustrations or any issues that come up in your in your summary okay kay sounds good great seeing you all it is good did you were you able to like put yours in the group folder yes i just did that okay hopefully it is there for people yep yeah looks like there are looks like there is a 2nd one kind of of mine that is that i did not do yeah it is from like an earlier project i think so okay where is that yours is under the shared folder i do not know it might not even be under yours as well technical so in there we have technical functions presentation working design presentation and the functional requirements projects at least that is what i have in i only have 3 i just have like our 3 yeah that is what i have as well r rose so yeah okay you do not have mine no but that is cause i think yours is in the e mail separate like it is not on the server s yeah but if i open it and then save it probably will be there 0 wait never mind you can not save it to the okay well i will figure that out in the meantime okay okay okay" ]

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[ "0 you can just say that i am a good one of the day good to see you all again good to see you all again just a sec while my powerpoint comes up and voila okay we put the fashion in electronics let us start okay our agenda today just took the time it is 12 13 i am going to do an opening talk about did you all get the minutes i emailed them to you i am also putting a minute them in the shared folder so then we will talk about our general objectives and have your 3 presentations i will talk about the new project requirements i have just received and then we have to make a decision on remote control functions finally we will just close we are starting this meeting at approximately 12 13 and we have 40 minutes 1st of all the functional design objectives we need to keep in mind the user requirements specification what needs and desires are to be fulfilled are to be fulfilled the textional functions design what effect the apparatus should have and the working design how the apparatus actually works to fulfill its function okay 3 presentations you can go in any order you choose should we go in the order that you just did it sure please do i do not know how do i hook my screen up i think you might have to disconnect rose yes it yeah okay all right and then we have to press function fn function f 8 yeah i just put the blue one fm is it plugged in all the way and you screwed it in and 0 wait screwed i think you just have to push it in really hard that is it 0 got it okay 0 i will just tighten it a little bit attached to anything either by okay there you go alright so i do not know if you guys are able to get access to the report that was online or if i am the only one who is but i do not even know how to play this press the little presentation it is the it looks like a y kind of over there above draw there that one all right so we are just going to talk a little bit about functional requirements that people specified when they were asked i guess real reaction did some market research they had 100 subjects into their usability lab and they watched them watch tv and recorded the frequency that they used particular buttons and the relevance that those buttons had what they found was they analyzed people is desires and needs focusing on their desires people specifically said that they thought remotes were ugly 75% of the 100 subjects noted that and more importantly though 80% said that they would be willing to pay more for a fancier looking remote i do not know anything beyond what fancy means but that is particularly of use to us i think also they did some questions on voice recognition and found that the desire for voice recognition was inversely related to age so younger people were more inclined to want something with voice recognition whereas the older people in the 60 and above segment or so did not really think that they would pay more money for voice recognition people also had certain frustrations that i think that we could try to take into consideration consideration with our design that being people frustrated with losing their remotes i think over 50% of the people mentioned that that was their biggest frustration people were also frustrated with the difficulty it is to learn how to use a remote and i think that ties back to what you were saying before just that there is too many buttons it just needs to be easy to use it also mentioned something called rsi and i was hoping someone might be able to inform me as to what rsi is i do not know what there we go well people did not like that so i guess sort of the carpal tunnel type thing people did not like that the repetitive use i guess caused a strain looking at the needs people specified the problem right now is that people is remotes are not matching they are operating behavioral people are only using 10% of the buttons that they have offered to them on their remote and what people do most often is changing the channel and changing the volume people also zap like to change the channel about 65% during an hour of use so we really just need to focus in on those volumes and channel changers rather than things like the audio settings the screen settings and the channel settings because they are used much more infrequently and probably just complicated what is going on so i think that some things that we might want to think about the idea of an lcd screen was brought up although they did not have any details on what people is preferences on that were so i do not know if that is coming to me later or something like that but something for us to consider also just the phenomenon that less is more when it comes to the buttons on the remote or what we want to make easiest to use make sure that something like an audio setting is not given as much importance and visibility on the remote as something like channel changing that is used a lot more often and basically in order for us to win over to the consumer we just need to focus on what it looks like that it has a fancy appeal and that it is not ugly and that it feels like the way they are going to use it so it does not give them any hand injuries or things like that thank you very much that was great let us move on to the next presentation on effects is that you great i will figure out how that is screw there user interface right interface there you and i think that is in the shared if i did it right if anyone wants to look at it okay thank you okay okay so i am going to talk about the technical technical functions design of the remote control you need to start by considering what a remote control actually is it is a device that allows us to produce certain effects on our television so it is basically a communication device we tell the remote control what we want to do it sends a message to the television saying change the channel change the volume you know adjust the settings adjust the buttons how do we actually go about designing a new television remote control the 1st thing to do is to come up with the design specifications we need to know what our final product is going to be like so we need a clear idea of exactly what this product does how it works and what the end user is going to want from this product a way i would suggest that we could go about this is by designing designing several different prototypes of user interfaces for this product and then trying to get some feedback about how well these particular prototypes work sort of find out what people think of them using a remote control is quite a subjective experience and different people prefer different things we should remember that remote controls are a fairly standard piece of equipment when the user is using a remote control he or she expects the buttons to be in certain places so in some sense we are going to have to aim the device which is fairly conventional in design so that we are not completely shocking people but i think within that there is also room just to introduce novel ideas and to make something that is perhaps a little bit different something that stands out also in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities the 1st of these is technological what can we do with the current state of technology as it is the 2nd is economic we need to find the balance between features and vice so as you mentioned things like voice recognition would add to the price but it would also improve the design of the product so i had a look on the web to see if i could find a few examples of existing television remote controls in analyzing these we can consider what things what is good about them what things that they get right what is bad about them what is wrong with them how we can improve on the designs that i have found and what can we do to make our products stand out from the large majority of remote controls here is 2 examples probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum on the left here we have got an engineering based design for remote control so it is one that has got lots of buttons it is fully featured everything you might possibly want to do is there you know it has got forward backwards up down channel numbers on you these phone it is fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to take a while to get to learn to use it but once you have learned it you can do whatever you want with your tv the one on the right is a lot more basic it is just got the essential functions of the tv changing the channel play stop volume it would be a lot quicker to learn to use it but again it swings in roundabouts there are disadvantages you can not use it say to freeze television picture there is a lot of features that are missing from that remote control so we have got to find a way of striking about between the 2 as i said before remote controls are subjective different people want different things personally what i want in a remote control is a device that is simple it is easy to use it has got big buttons for doing the things i do most often changing the volume changing the channel it does everything that i need it to as i have said before i am quite lazy i do not want to walk across the room just to adjust my television just my television i also want something that looks cool and that feels good that is ergonically designed okay thank you very much that was very useful it is funny to see the drastic difference between those 2 remotes and neither of them were very pretty you know no i think that could be our selling point fashion fashion remote right there is certainly a market technology that looks cool that is my company like up on it yeah i really can not see what i am doing so does anyone have a there it is ah ah look at that that you see that was just on the okay because i was like google and then i am like wait it will not have to be google all right no how do i play again it is right above draw there are 3 things it is way at the bottom there are 3 icons and it is the one that looks like a desk yeah that one okay so this is our working design presentation i had a bit of some issues with this because i was not able to find everything i needed but i guess we are still in early stages so yeah this is this the thing about working design is what we are trying to do as the working designers figure out how the apparatus can fulfill its function one of the examples that kept coming up for me is that a coffee grinder it works because it converts electrical energy to grinding the beans and then put the beans through a filter and that filters out and then you get coffee at the end that is nice and hot because of the combination of electrical energy and then other things that are brought in to make it work i do not know if i am explaining that very well but how do i get to the next so the method as working designers to figure out what you need to make it fulfill this practical function what needs to be done and how do we convert all the elements to make that done so the easiest thing to do is to break down all the points at which you need something to happen so you make a schematic of the way that the energy is converted towards this practical function and then i think the easiest thing to do is going to be work on each task separately so you just press yeah it is just heck so the findings that i got just very briefly is that you have a choice of the way that the information is projected to the receiver and in my opinion infrared is the best way to do that because you do not need a sight line so that is one thing we are going to work on the user interface is critical here because a lot of the things that happen in a remote control happen through the chip that converts the electrical energy into data which then goes through the infrared so the chip that i think ian is designing is going to be crucial and really it all comes down to the user because they are the one that is controlling most of the working design so the components that we find here are the energy source the battery or whatever that is going to make it work then the chip which converts the data the user that is controlling the chip and the infrared bulb that is going to let us move the data to the receiver so you have 4 main components and they are designed sort of like this you have your energy source right there which then brings energy or information to the chip which is also controlled by the user so you have energy going to the user who is controlling the chip 0 that is not what i wanted to do use that thing down that you can go back previous sorry about that guy pardon 0 no no no no okay let us just get back to my schematic here double click on it with the right with the left hand one yeah i am i think it is frozen here do not show me that there we are there you sorry about this guys i am kind of pathetic with things like this all right so you have your energy source your user interface who is controlling the chip the chip also uses the energy and the chip through the use of the user interface is going to control the switch which will work your infrared bulb which will then bring the data to the receiver so hopefully that makes sense for everyone in my kind of garbled way this is the parts of the working design that need to be figured out need to be figured out and personal preferences besides the fact that i can not spell we need a long lasting energy source people do not want to be changing it a lot we need a chip that works well with the user interface that is not too complicated we have a straightforward interface like ian was saying simple not overwhelming it with information and we need a reliable and clear infrared signal so that you are not waving your remote around and having to get frustrated and go do it by hand that is pretty much it for the working design excellent yes absolutely i can never tell which way to turn these things lefty loosey righty tidey right yeah lefty lusey righty tidey i never heard that 0 yes i think about every time it is a good one i will stick with you there we go okay requirements we have a couple new requirements that i was just emailed right before the meeting that we have to keep in mind as we are creating this we did not bring it up yet or at all in the meeting so far but we are not going to work with teletext because that has been taken over by the internet so we are not going to worry about that what is the text it is a british thing you do not have it in the state no would you care to explain it yeah it is like a i suppose it is kind of similar to a very very basic web file you have like you have numbers in the remote control and you type in the page number once so you type 100 and you are in that control and this kind of index is on the television screen just some text and some very one upon graphics what kind of graphics on it and you just type numbers and then you can not see what is your information 0 wow 0 wow or in stuff like what is in the remix and check how to see how it going lottery numbers and sports scores but if you ever see the tv saying like go to page 160 on c fax now that is what they are talking about wow so it is pretty old technology okay that explains a lot i have no idea why we do not have it but 0 it is good interesting okay well we are not going to the man to have been decided we are not going to work with that okay and we are also going to like your question earlier whether this is going to be for television video or et cetera just for television that is what we are focused on otherwise it becomes too complex we want to get this out very quickly we only have a short amount of time and finally this is more marketing i think our corporate image has to be recognizable so while we are going to make it look pretty we need to use our color and our slogan in the new design so what is our corporate image like it is kind of yellow color it looks like kind of a yellow and black and we have the emphasis on the r is in it is like a double r but it is yeah we put the fashion and electronics so we have got to keep that in that in mind okay so we want something that looks good yep yep and it is yellow yeah or maybe some buttons could be yellow like we can play around with it a little bit okay we need to talk about our functions and our target group we need to decide who our target group is you in your analysis of different marketing you identified that different groups wanted different things or had certain preferences for example that older people did not really care for voice recognition but younger people did so who are we ending this at if we are going to say that function fashion we put the fashion in electronics then automatically i think sort of younger group that that is who is going to be attracted to this you have to think who is going to have the money to buy that is possible it is going to be €25 remember so it has to be marketable to whomever it is is it something that is going to sell separately from the television or is it something that comes with a television is that would affect the way that we marketed well at least right now what we are doing is deciding on just the remote itself so it will probably be sold separately right okay 25 year up by itself the only breakdown that i was given in terms of age was the voice activation and basically there is a big jump after 35 people do not really care if it has voice so it is like basically 15 to 35 that thinks that that is a good idea i do not know if i am going to be given any other numbers broken down in terms of age later but if that is sort of the only quality that we have that is divided into age then we would want to stick between a 15 and 35 range that is probably a population of quite a little bit of disposable income for use on technology anyway so that might be a fairly good target group for us now that is all specific for speech recognition are we going to use that as one of our functions i would say no because it is going to add too much in the past especially if we are marketing as it is set in the product people are going to be doing then we have got a price limit to 12 and a half euros to produce it yes and i wonder if we can get place to get permission into that in any other country now but what else are we going to put i mean not that i am really gung ho about it i do not know what else you can put it in a remote to make it technologically advanced though so like other than just making it look good how is it i mean it can look really great and still have the same up and down buttons why is anyone going to buy a new remote well but why are we aiming for technological advancement everything we are talking about is ease of use and simple and that does not necessarily mean more technology that is a good thing to keep in mind it could mean not they might be overwhelmed with remotes that have too many buttons and too much technology if someone is looking to buy a new remote do not they want like an upgrade i do not know upgrade well we can look at upgrade or we can look at user firm friendly yeah simplification it could have a crap remote that came with their tv that is just impossible to use or maybe it broke or maybe they are just missing it and we also need to talk about if we are only going to have the very simple ones or also have the other ones just separate somehow or can you like i mean this might be too complicated but i wish i had something to explain it like if it was just a simple either this way or this way that had like the mean buttons and then you could pull something out kind of and like you got the rest of the buttons but the rest of them like went in do you know what i am saying they are going to pull out of the side yeah like some do these they have a sliding screen on the remote control that hides all the complicated button so if you want to do something complicated to program or television or retune it you open up this little hatch or a slight the screen down and they are special buttons like people who do not want to ever look at them never even have to see them and if you you get the instruction manual that comes with it and you just do not even read it then you will never even know that those things can pull out and you are a happy person and everyone else does not have to have 2 remotes one that has the easy ones and one that has more complicated ones that is a good idea it is all still in one we have to be careful that that does not impede the chip transmitting information yeah but that is going to be mostly technological thing okay so what are we emphasizing in this project simplicity and fashion simplicity and fashion okay those are very good goals i think that we have to keep in mind with everything we do simplicity and or usability however you want to say that which includes an emphasis on making the infrared very functional so that you do not have to travel around a lot what can you do to make the infrared more functional like why would it not be i am just wondering i think it is a lot to do with battery but that is just my the battery and that i think that the chip takes the data and presents it well without sort of scattering so it is just the quality of the chip yeah i think so the quality of all the components really i mean we can not really do anything shottie work because it is going to be visible down the line so our target group we are saying 15 to 35 well i do not know how useful that number is if we are not doing voice recognition yeah which i kind of feel like voice recognition is not necessary in a remote control like it might be necessary for a tv but not for the remote you know seems a little bit yeah and it might be too expensive and if the whole idea is you are using a remote then why would you have a voice like you do not mean then it is like you would need a remote you would just talk to your tv yeah ultimately lazy people they do not even be bothered to pick up with the phone yeah maybe i mean if i get more numbers i will email you before the next meeting in terms of ages but this does not divide up anything and there was only 100 subjects also which is not i mean really is not that representative especially if it is 100 subjects so that they then can solve divide into age groups that means there is very few in each age group so i think regardless we are i mean for the under 65 or something under 65 okay that is a good start i would say we are can we narrow it down to maybe teenagers and families because that would go up to like 50 professionals or something 20 to like 55 it is hard to narrow it down it is really hard to figure out right now we have said simplicity is one of the features that is one of the features that might be older people well maybe we do not have to define the target group by the demographic of age maybe we could define it by the demographic of like how much money they have to spend or something like that well obviously it has to be someone who owns the television and like how recently have they bought their television like that sort of thing so maybe it is more useful to define objectives like fashion and simplicity than to find specific target group as far as age because yeah things will appeal to different people okay 0 there are a couple of functions do we want something so that do we want some kind of thing to find it if it is lost like a button on the tv you can press and it will ring or something i do not know like i said before 50% of the frustrations someone could have that was the biggest one and half people said that happened and we all mentioned it before we knew about it and if we are talking about making something easy that sort of goes along with it so it would not be like a random thing to sort of add in it would be relevant to like the overall goal i think yeah that would probably be good okay we have to we have about 4 minutes left to define our functions so let us do that quickly so we want something to keep it from getting lost yeah and we want we want large buttons for the essential things yeah large accessible buttons for the essentials we want a possibility to get the the extra functions yeah which are kind of hidden away in somewhere we are not hidden but they are not as prominent as the main people yeah hidden away and we also want it to be fashionable which i am not sure if that is a function so much as a yeah just i wonder like on your coffee table it is not like an eyesore that kind of thing yeah okay do it any other essential functions that we need battery do we need a long life battery yeah but i think that goes in with simplicity and ease of use really never have to change the battery yeah we should maybe investigate if we need a back thing at all i suspect that we might be able to i would imagine just because it is an electronic device i think it does i do not think of a way you can operate a chip and convert that much data without one but you could maybe have it in a little charging station like a mobile phone or like a little cradle for your ipod yeah that is possible you could maybe do that instead so you do not have it you are like a rechargeable battery i do not know that might contribute to less people losing it too it stays in one place we have to think about space in living rooms too i mean would you put it on top of the tv i do not know just think okay that is a good idea we will keep it that is just soft about my head it might be fun okay okay we are going to conclude now as everyone said their functions okay after the meeting we are going to each complete a questionnaire in the summary i do not know why it is summarization and then we will have our lunch break after that we have 30 minutes of individual work i will make sure to put the minutes in the project documentation and including this powerpoint slides if everyone could do that as well that would be great you each have individual actions id industrial design you have your components concept user interface the user interface concept market trend watching and as per last as per last time you will get specific instructions from your personal coach emailed to you and hopefully i hope next time you will be able to access more of the website that they seem to tell you that you could yeah that is kind of frustrating but be sure to note any frustrations or any issues that come up in your summary okay okay sounds good great female bless you did you were you able to like put yours in the group folder yes i just did that hopefully it is there for people yep yeah it looks like there are it looks like there is a 2nd one kind of of mine that i did not do it is from like an earlier project i think so okay where is that under the shared folder i do not know it might not even be under yours as well so in there we have technical functions presentation working design presentation and the functional requirements at least that is what i have i only have 3 i just have like r 3 yeah that is what i have as well you do not have mine no but that is because i think yours is in the email separate like it is not on the server yeah but if i open it and then save it probably will be there 0 wait never mind you can not save it okay well i will figure that out in the meantime okay okay okay" ]

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[ "hello yes i made it english from now on just kidding drawing or yeah just testing yeah english so annoying break is over ooh it works whoo spicy spicy where are are all the other presentations i just put it in the in the shared folder so it should be yeah i think so the conceptual or yeah conceptual design ah what or whatever does it because i see only my own presentation yeah no no no can you go back one cause it has to be powerpoint pre yeah components design that is it this i will just put it in there so he is coming i did get a bit more done than the last time cause i knew that i did not have time so i just copy and paste everything into the or not okay 0 okay ah i can not cut and paste it into the other folder but ah she you can look at the final report cause i have to record everything we are deciding and such so i am trying to write it down between everything else move to meeting room sometimes i have these pop ups or these sounds and there is nothing there yeah 0 and also with i do not know how to use powerpoint so it takes me forever to get something done with it yeah me too i i have got the same problem as well yeah yeah yeah here we go again welcome we have again 3 presentations and then we have to decide on what concepts the mobile phone has to f the remote control has to support thi so who wants go yes who wants to start yes me 1st again or yeah yeah sure 0 no does not matter yeah no problem alright did you open it already or no no ah ah yes so welcome to the marketing presentation once again this time about trendwatching well there has been inv investigation again in the in the remote control market it shows a number of developments i will address them in a moment fashion watch watchers have detected the trends for young public because that is our public well fruit and vegetables will be will be the most important theme for clothing shoes and furniture and the feel of the material is expected to be spongey so the developments i will address them 0 yeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looks of fresh bright colors so to give you an idea well the developments development one well most important aspect for remote control happens to be a fancy look and feel instead of the current functional look and feel well fancy stands for an original look and feel of the case and the interface and the 2nd most important aspect is that a remote control should be technological innovative well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist in current remote controls i think we pretty much covered that with our screen and and speech recognition so i do not expect that to be a problem sound yeah yeah and the 3rd development is that the remote control should be easy to use well the 1st aspect was twice as important as the 2nd which was twice as important as the 3rd aspect so that kind of gets you this ratios so fancy look and feel is the most important point of attention so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the spongey material well technolog technological innovation we have covered that pretty much i guess and easy to use i do not think that will be problem so my point of attention is especially this part that this will be a crux yeah so that was the marketing presentation i had only one document left and shall i go 1st yeah so i no i i do not mi i do not mind that is so kind of this yeah yeah sure yeah do you want to go 1st okay so a k a small example no yeah kind of this this look nothing about the buttons but just sponge kind of thing and and some fruit and colors i dunno yeah just made a quick design cool it is better than than my drawing alright yeah you are just the user interface alright yeah okay but i have to design the components yeah layout yeah 0 no yeah okay yeah it is okay you probably opened it yeah true f 5 f 5 alright so i am dealing with the components design let us see i used some design examples we had from similar products and i used possibilities from our manufacturing department about current components which will have to be implemented in the design that is why i had to wanted to go 1st well they gave me an idea about what people want we are f mainly focusing on this group but i want to make the distinction clear i could not drag the pictures into the the slides so s so i do not have examples of how it looks like but it comes down to what you what you think we should do with the spongey and the fruity looking type if you the young dynamic people want soft primary colors which looks like fruits you know you can and shapes that are curved and not solid straight lines anymore so this basically yeah goes on to what you were mentioning earlier there is a lot of factors involved in choosing the components there is a lot of options that we have to discuss for example the energy source we have 4 types the basic battery we have a hand dynamo which we yeah we dutch refer to it as the kneipgatt yeah the kinetic provision of energy which means if you move the thing if you shake it which will be fun for toddlers right if they want to use the yeah and of course solar cells but i dunno how we would use that into the design of the actual product wi an indoors so my yeah also also in you know countries where there is n is not much light like in scandinavia 0 yeah okay calculator is can do it they would not be y able to use it half of the year you know yeah yeah so that is not cool either so for the a case there is the traditional uncurved flat hard case single curved which means that it has curves in one dimension or the double curved i was not able to finish my personal preferences sheet but well you know that we will have to go for the double curved cause it is daring and different from what we have now yeah the case materials well we have all kinds of hard materials like the the hard plastic the wood and the titanium i would definitely go for rubber cause it fits most in what people want to see nowadays yeah poo this is a lot of text i was not able to organize this yet we have yeah several interface designs we can use a scroll buttons for the menus but we already kind of decided to go for the f for the pushbuttons for the the arrow buttons yeah pushbuttons yeah so that is not really interesting yeah electronics yeah maybe we want to decide on what electronics to use the advanced chip i think is easiest to implement for the production cause they they can print it better yeah i think this is about it yeah i was working on some per personal preferences i 1st chose for the battery cause yeah i am traditional and that is the most obvious easiest choice to go to but i really think that we should maybe think about the kinetic energy where you have to move the thing to be able to use it yeah yeah yeah as an optional feature yeah or combine both with a with one i guess we can only choose one i think you can only fit one source of energy on the yeah maybe we okay i can imagine that the kinetic type energy source would be more expensive to make but it is more longlasting that the people do not have to ever buy batteries again yeah yeah i did not receive any info and it is more fun and it is also more fun yeah i always chuck my remote control around so yeah just playing with it and especially when the material is rubber yeah it can be done i mean you can not harm it so it is a perfect combination i guess s yeah it is safe and throw it yeah y exactly you do not have to be scared about bouncing it off the g floor and breaking it or whatever yeah okay so that is the end of it yeah so go ahead kay next so double curved is like this this this or no it means curved in 2 dimensions so w single curved let us say would be a b square box but then with curves on one dimension yeah and double curved would means that it would have curves curves in every direction also in in height yeah okay like 3 d okay yeah can we 11 very important thing i was yeah thinking about is the speech option yeah we were going to use that yeah yeah so yeah yeah that is one thing which i am not sure of how to implement it into the remote control design well the visual representation is not there with speech but you can no okay but it has to be combined with with the menu for functions and yeah so okay just yeah i think you can just match the speech commands with the functions that are already present yeah okay so i do not think you have to design anything else for that yeah with the program but do j do we do the speech just for the basic options for the simple buttons both for for everything also for the advanced options yeah okay we have this very basic trendy design everybody says it so that is what is yeah yeah in the in the last meeting we we were yeah putting the the simple and the advanced options separated that is yeah obvious yeah pressing the the menu option will disable all other options on your remote control and only the the l c d panel will light up and then you can only change the yeah the options and and the and the buttons that you need to control it i guess yeah yeah yeah design has to be very attractive but that is your your op your yeah you have to delete this but this is the the the simple layout yeah display on the upper side with the the menu button and maybe a some sort of cancel button or save button that would be the back i am the back yeah back and okay back and okay back and okay yeah you did read the minutes i wrote what you did read the minutes i wrote a little bit i think but not not everything w i 0 okay cause i pretty much summed up all the buttons there were okay so 0 i did not read that i hate doing work for nothing but but this is the the basic design for the for the m yeah for the buttons i wanted to to categorize everything with a speech display yeah sound everything you you noted in your minutes every pushbutton has has its own led light so you can yeah change m make it more trendy for for younger people and if there are older people they wanted more yeah more luxurous so that is an a also an option that was it that was it yeah okay again ugh okay so what we have to decide is what kind of components do we use energy source chip type case type and user interface but i did not see a clear distinction between these so i think what we have is okay so we only we already decided that kinetic would be the choice for energy no the case would be doubly curved rubber material so and rubber rubber material rubber material and that is the only thing we have left yeah we need the the chip on print to be able to support the the screen and and f audio function 0 okay no it is easy so that is is that is that the advanced chip yeah advanced chip yeah wow otherwise you would have a simple chip just for pressing buttons okay yeah but we need more alright kinetic i am just thinking this is not my department but i i am not sure what this is going to cost to be able to m too double curved i did not get any info on this so so cause we need to sell it for €25 a piece yeah yeah that is going to be difficult huh the cost of making it should be 125 i have total here yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i do not know i did not get any information about that so we are going to produce it in china so it is no problem yeah child labor man we love it yeah so it is cheap who does not let us see is there a new thing well the interface type supplements yeah the interface maybe can it is it is quite difficult because we we have not got all the options yeah ooh no do you have a picture of doubly curved case and could you put that in the group folder let me see of the project folder wait a sec if you go to your homepage or something you should yeah i am going there now get your own information inspiration i got my fresh and fyoo fruity picture also over there so ah you did not draw it yourself well no ah too less time yeah maybe it is yeah also the menu yeah that that w yeah this is the the menu i was looking at yeah yeah i was thinking of that also with with a with a arrow maybe it is easier yeah arrow arrow yeah so that indicates that there is an menu under that menu yeah yeah yeah perfect so yeah maybe it is easier if you guys come over here is the target group s yeah s see this is the the the standard traditional type where the form yeah serves the function you know 0 yeah yeah sure it is like really basic but this m is more appealing to old people and we do not want that yeah yeah this is what we are looking for and th that means curved in both dire dire dimensions 0 okay not only like this but it has to be exactly i see yeah also like this so you can hold it it has to be kind of instead of the playstation the module it has to be like the the game cube you know where your thumbs would be laying in the instrument and it has to be nice to hold yeah but it has also to it it has also to be luxurous for for yeah rich people and th this looks a little bit like like for only for children it ha the children is story yeah i have got it yeah but that is that is the the problem yeah the dilemma actually so distinction yeah cause we want to appeal to the to the young public with fancy with flashy colors and with a lot of shape and yeah and the and the rubber it it will look cheap always you know with the yeah the color yeah okay but the the colors you you can make it make the colors with leds beneath the the buttons if you press a button and you can disable the the color leds for for people that do not like it there is mobile phones in which you can change the color also of the lights yeah maybe we should consider this function to customize it and so i mean kids can make it look more flashy with different kinds of colors and people who want something you know different yeah different or more design they can go for one color like for example this photo th camera camera yeah cool s underwater yeah yeah submarine personally i think it is really ugly well yeah just give me the thing that it is inside there maybe i am too old for this stuff yeah very cheap cheap look yeah but this this the is for the yeah yeah okay so those i think are all my 0 ah yeah bright colors yeah also a kind of rubber and this is this is with the curved that i mean yeah that is singly curved yeah okay yeah that should be nice well we could make a compromise between that but i do not know if it is worth the effort a compromise between what instead of doubly curved we take a single curved so to appeal a little more to the all the public so s this this would be single curved yeah there is only in in this dimension yeah like this yeah so curvy or not also yeah so we keep it singly c single curved then yeah exactly exactly yeah that would be an option i do not know what you think yeah i think the i mean our aim is to make something different right to make something new yeah i would go for the double curved okay and i i am i am thinking you know a drawing palette where you have the shape for your thumb yeah i would agree so it kind of holds nicely something like that yeah but if you if you make it more curved we we can make more and more options for buttons yeah well this is really your decision but if you have it have it in your hand you you you are not only yeah you do not need one dimension but you can use other dimensions for pressing the the buttons yeah as well you can make a trigger button or something like that yeah something to shoot at your television yeah or that that is the confirmation button or something that you scroll with your thumb with the arrows and then confirm yeah that is yeah that would be a nice way to use it but i mean yeah i am thinking big already and we need something that well that that you can able to use in one hand i think different stands out or 0 yeah a one hand solution yeah so from top view it looks kinda like this but from the side you you can have it also in a kind of shape maybe because the the screen is on top you can have can turn it maybe to switch from buttons to interface if you turn it a little maybe you can c have this kind of shape a little upwards so that the screen is more 0 yeah least you can easily see it towards yourself so you can easily see your screen how about well well you have it in your hand so it is a kind of an angle from your eyes to the screen so then you have double double curved in some way so this this is so the screen is positioned over here 0 something like that and the buttons are more well it is very thick now but yeah i understand what you mean that is that is how about we do a a pop up screen like the laptop if you can flip so that the only the simple functions will be visible at 1st yeah that that you can press it and then it comes up and then if you want or so you have a the the side view yeah something like that but then the side view can be straight if you have a pop up screen but i dunno if that is too expensive so and you want to be able to i mean maybe it is too much yeah make this no like i would draw it like this let us say this is the side view that you have a a screen that will come up here and can go down that way if you know what i mean okay so that it would come up like that yeah okay so the buttons are on top here and you flip it over that way yeah or preferably even keep the simple buttons here and then under the screen even you could put more more advanced buttons yeah 0 the advanced buttons 0 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah right right that is the the more advanced options were for the for the menu yeah that is good idea yeah yeah yeah but you you want okay f for the l c d menu right yeah you just want to hide them all so w w the 0 yeah no not all because you need most of them the arrow buttons but you can hide the okay and the back button yeah yeah yeah and the menu button also because when you flip it open and you can maybe even drop the menu button because maybe if you flip it open it will auto activate amauto automatically yeah 0 activate and th the yeah so okay b but you have t you need some button to flip this open why you could just make it mechanical true true but you can make a yeah you can make a trigger here you know a simple with a yeah yeah and it says menu and it flips open and then you have the buttons to control it in combination with your that is but it is it is not yeah it is not very very strong yeah if you drop it one time exactly true it c it can go open well yeah the the idea of it was is that because you close it you cover the l c d screen and it will not be vulnerable to scratches or whatever if you cover it with rubber an adv an adv and it will be covered in some kind of thin rubber layer or something like that okay and exactly yeah so it can bounce exactly we just have to make sure that the closing mechanism will not break yeah it is very no it is very strong th it is very solid yeah yeah okay so that that may work yeah that actually will offer some extra protection for the okay but then we still have the the the thing of the the the shape yeah yeah yeah i was thinking if if you have your hand it this is your th what kind of harder yeah the lower part does not work i guess so maybe you should try it over there okay if this is your thumb and this is your hand like that with your wrist that you that it would be kind of shape like this you know so it is easier to hold in your hand to y f but when you are left handed that is that is a problem yeah yeah yeah of course yeah then w then you would have to to make it like this maybe can design 2 versions yeah but that is that is very expensive like like you drew here yeah and maybe th then make this thicker also than the center give it i would give it a female shape but yeah and ergonomical shape yeah anyway yeah yeah the female shape yeah with 2 obviously yeah we we could make some some rubber some rubber yeah mouse with which you can change and so if you make it more appealing to guys i mean 0 yeah some k esk yeah yeah yeah but but that is optional for later i guess i mean we have to make okay yeah yeah but we have hardware inside which is so it has to have some sort of basic shape some yeah yeah we we better so choose one yeah yeah and also the screen you cannot mold it you know kind of thing no no no no yeah so okay we should better choose one sh one shape okay yeah but that is the kind of the idea so it lays good in the hand and then on on the side with with your thumb and then you can you can place the screen here which can come you you can you can use yeah you can use the button option yeah so the keywords are primary co colors spongey and but then i w i would spongey i would do the arrows here kind of thing spongey can be reached by means of those buttons and the simple buttons here so that yeah yeah yeah and and the and the control thngs in the middle the the the arrows i y eah that is what i mean no the arrow is over here the arrows over here and here the s simple yeah yeah and then numbers yeah buttons okay yeah alright i think that it is a nice design pretty nice design yeah it is cool yeah it looks pretty fancy yeah or do we want to make its shape look like a banana or something i dunno yeah that is bananas wierd shape and other fruits also so it is better to have some sort of basic print and then a fruit print in some primary colors yeah yeah we could make i do not know what what colors should the basic print be like like some soft green or something orange or something or and then or blue dark blue or 0 yeah yeah dark blue and then and then very bright a yellow banana an orange we should use yeah a green apple stuff like that with very bright tones i guess yeah w we need very primary colors like bright red bright yellow so you have something like yeah yeah yeah but the primary colors w we can create with the with the leds on the on the remote control yeah yeah okay yeah if you we yeah if you make it just a yeah bl give it a blue color then it is just a neutral color also for the for the more yeah for the people huh cool that does not really work to draw i guess no it is 0 what is this yeah it is text right n no you have to exit hm you could also make line with yeah so that is yeah 2 hours further thickness 0 so that is blue 0 wh why not go for the 20 yeah yeah that is what i call painting y so that is that is a dark blue basic color i guess yeah yeah and then on top of that it is pretty nice and then 0 some yellow yeah with some some yellow banana banana color like and how about some some flashing standby lights like you have on the samsung well i do not like to call brands phones the you know that cause i remember from one of our 1st meetings that people lose their remote controls often yeah so it not not only in in the colors of the leds that we want something to keep it visible at all times or how do you mean yeah if you if flashing color so you can not lose it basically some some yeah yeah exactly well i think it is a bit too much but maybe a yeah yeah an orange well alright well this is more like purple i guess but it is should be more real dark blue yeah yeah so the contrast with the with the fruit objects is pretty high yeah yeah so yeah that would be a nice nice device i guess and which which color should should i give the the display or who i mean the the color of the background of the display yeah yeah ah well i do not guess it s has to be a 60665000 color so yeah too expensive and then you can use yellow or semething why not aye so just just a a blue blue backlight or something like that yeah yeah green is too old fashioned but blue blue is okay as long as you loo use high contrast between the the background and the foreground color j yeah maybe a maybe a white a white backlight so that people with with like this white backlight and dark dark letters yeah yeah whatever which is visible yeah i know you sh you should test it under under a light conditions i mean it is hard to tell i dunno yeah and also for people who are a bit colourblind colourblind yeah yeah true no so that is mostly red and green i believe which which color should the buttons be that is adjustable woah why adjustable all all buttons yeah or not okay no that is how we are going to make it more trendy or is it too expensive but maybe i mean they have to they have to have some color right it is difficult and if the background is very dark blue blue maybe green but do not we want to make the background the the bright colo colors so th the total of the thing is very bright yeah you can like the pictures i showed you guys those things were all like like bright red bright red flashy yeah flashy so more like bzz does not work very well more like this color yeah something like that something that stands out more and then then yellow and orange and red objects on it or something yeah but then then again which color should the buttons be the the press buttons should they be white or black or red maybe and it it looks quite cheap that color i think black it is it is not the green yeah yeah but it is pretty fresh on the other side why i dunno yeah so it is actually a pretty trendy color at the moment it is it is trendy okay yeah but my couch is in that color ooh yeah well it works pretty well yeah and then time was up not yet do you get a pop up if we yeah within 5 minutes yeah that you have 5 minutes left or alright y left yeah left and then i have to kick you out so something like this yeah that should be pretty nice color but maybe the buttons all buttons in red is maybe a bad contrast for colourblind people yeah yeah no that is actu because the of the green but the but the buttons have their own leds or not yeah they have leds but they have a color red and green are actually the b the easiest to discriminate even for colourblind yeah they will see one of each as gray yeah but if you use green on blue those kind of colors will look the same okay okay i think so red buttons are okay i think so okay that that is a default setting you can make them red the the red buttons yeah but i think you need to keep in mind that the leds are just extra light how do you mean yeah they they do not determine the color that much i think okay yeah i i was think about a red red leds and blue leds and cause you have to print on them you have a background no that is that is too busy i guess yeah each number is transparent yeah partly but you have to print on the number or the the sign okay so you can not change the color so you better bet better better keep the led and the button itself in the same color i guess okay yeah so just an extra bit of light you can what we should do i think is is make kind of a see through plastic button with one colored led behind it bit of light and attention bit of feedback yeah yeah yeah yeah so that the whole button will shine as the color the and if you think about easy to use buttons we have to well we have to make it the shape so that it is easy to hold f for both hands but also that you can reach the buttons with your thumb if you hold the machine yeah okay with do not mean to discourage you but basically you 2 are going to work on the smartboard next 30 minutes to design something so ah right alright and the you will do the evaluation of the product yeah which we do not have yet yeah about so wh how should i do that yeah i do not know 0 okay you probably get a mail or you you or you send it to me or just because you are going to design it on this board right yeah once they are finished yeah yeah but maybe you can do the evaluation you do not have to evaluate yet but you can make a procedure which to follow yeah i do not know i i probably get instruction on that how to do that so i make another presentation i guess yeah yeah i kn i know what is going to happen in in yeah so about yeah you have the basic idea i have a basic idea and you 2 are going to do this yeah so we are going to work here look and feel and on this sketchboard yeah yeah good luck alright thanks yeah alright so that is so i make new page and be creative yeah alright but we have to do it at this moment after th this meeting yeah you have 30 minutes 30 minutes okay then we have to see something which we can yeah yeah alright ah so this is basically the what what we are thinking about show to the management yeah shall we make a new i would yeah yeah l let us just delete all these or yeah yeah next yeah i just make a new one 0 next yeah alright 0 and save this board huh just save it yeah i will just i will just keep it there yeah okay but just press save and yeah it will be fine on the left s so yeah sorry you can also include clip art okay yeah current color so if you will rather draw in paint or something so okay shall we make some outline sketches of the basic shape 1st yeah because i i and then after that we can make the user inter interface then look yeah cause i have to focus on the on the basic look and feel design this yeah yeah so how it is going to look and you have to think how we are going to put the screen in it and those kind of things pretty accurate so if i am drawing and you think okay i am not going to be able to put a screen in there you have to correct 0 we skip this i guess sound button press yep do you mind if i draw in black then yeah you can also include it it is not much work for normal sketches light only button user ca user interaction 0 no it is it is okay so we kind of want the girlish yeah that is included yeah okay yeah so the pl the plastic plastic buttons also help because of they are only lit during interaction figure i am not so good at drawing so excuse me well it is a good thing that the buttons are not well that they are plastic because then you can light up the light on when when they are usable yeah yeah no maybe you should draw it very large like this yeah but this part is not functioning properly yeah sensitive 0 right how do we or insert text erase i dunno maybe just start typing it is a bit large 0 that is a bit big yeah you also do the other sides not only on the front si the top side but also the the side view yeah ex exactly l let us make 1st the the the all the views the the front view side view and the back view i thought for the side view that the w the basic section would be rather a bit thicker than the middle jesus what do i write down yeah why can not i work here this is much easier much easier yeah where you are holding it with your cause your fingers have to fit underneath and yeah yeah the middle has to be very small so you can have it in your hand i do not see a sign that the meeting is over yet but exactly but the but the upper side has to be a bit more like that i think no so i just work here a few minutes yeah yeah the display we yeah we can put a display do not you think so the display we will put in here the basic functions in here where it is most reachable yeah the the the arrow functions the th exactly yeah yeah 0 this is hard what do do not have to draw it exactly do we no it is it is it is okay wait let me try it one more time maybe i have it is easier if i draw it in once okay of course it will become way more ugly you can make it m larger maybe it is easier to to draw yeah this will take forever it is fun to work with this pen so larger 0 yeah that is that is the basic idea wrong one and yeah yeah so side 5 minutes left before the meeting ends kay other views alright yeah only if you are going to put buttons on the side of the unit yeah that is the question let us fill i fill in the buttons later but we we yeah so this is going to be from the i is it if if this is from the side woah from yeah yeah from the steady sorry because there the screen goes up like that right yeah so then it is like this or that is not convenient because then you have the screen like this and look like the it is better to have it somewhat like this yeah or does it flip all the way yeah i am i am the the idea is that it has to flip up to here may maybe it is it is easier to to integrate the the the l c d screen just into this this bubble okay because it do does not have to flip then because we have en enough space for for making a an l c d yeah yeah yeah yeah because here it is better to to have this like this i guess and then flip it like this true but why why do we need the flipping you can adjust the angle to which it flips so it can also from this angle it can flip all the way up to there okay yeah you can flip it up to there if you want yeah so w yeah but we still keep the flipping mechanism think so yeah yeah we keep the flip keep the flip live yeah because i think it will feel weird if you would make this smaller and this bigger or something that i dunno yeah the the shape is okay but yeah i do not see the the yeah why why we should use the the flipping mechanism i thought it would be cool yeah because we okay yeah it is it is for for for more trendy yeah but maybe yeah but maybe we we should then because we have enough space h here we got the basic functions the the arrow yeah button yeah there the middle sh sh should not we integrate it yeah and then h we sh and then like i 0 th doh come on so this is the shape 0 it has not it does not aim so well okay but the screen is a bit lower because if it falls on the other side it does not fall on the screen yeah then it is so there is a layer of rubber on the side yeah yeah yeah definitely so no flipping but just no no flipping or you wanted the flipping so no flipping yeah i guess but i mean most votes count right but if you if you if you drop it it it just breaks and it has to be very strong because of the yeah kind of throwing and the kinetics it is shaking yeah 0 we better make we better make it like this yeah true true yeah eventually yeah just light on top yeah if you if you are going for the kinetics and it is also for the for the children it is yeah for people not 16 years yeah safer they are responsible enough to have a mobile phone so also to to deal with their remote control but there are more yeah okay that the target group yeah okay that is true yes okay yeah well yeah i am just thinking totally different designs also i just ended the meeting you 2 go design okay wi remember that the weird pocketphone thingy which looked like kind of a gameboy 0 by the way yeah maybe we should try something like that i thought up a name for our product but yeah yeah 0 right yeah it is called the real remote ooh with a copyright sign after real alright yeah the real remote alright yeah i like it okay so maybe you can include that somewhere good this can go yeah we should work in our own room right or not yeah 0 yeah we have to f include that in our design as well i do not see any power cables here so let us see yeah yes what the hell is that i think it is the sensors kay see you 2 in half an hour okay good luck yep okay that is the side ah it is it is okay but do we want options on the on the side with the with the buttons yeah or just leave it i think we do could make an a volume button scroll volume button yeah or j or also scrolling for the m yeah for menu yeah or i dunno we w kind of wanted to stick with the yeah no yeah yeah i am just thinking if we i we want to make something different right so the with the scroll is is more futuristic than the standard arrow buttons yeah i think yeah you are going to design it so" ]

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[ "so i am i am hello hey hey did you have your presentation made it yes i made it english from now on drawing or just testing yeah it is going to be in your life the all the stress just kidding 0 yeah english so annoying the break is over ooh it works wu spicy spicy where are all the other presentations i just put it in the shared folder so conceptual or yeah i think so yeah conceptual design or whatever because i see only my own presentation no no can you go back one yeah because it has to be powerpoint yeah components design that is it i just put it in there he is coming i did get a bit more done than the last time because i knew that i did not have time so i just copy and paste everything into it i can kind of base it into the other folder if you want to left you can look at the final report because i have to record everything we are deciding and such move to me i am trying to write it down between everything else sometimes i have these pop ups or these sounds and there is nothing there yeah me too also with i do not know how to use powerpoint so it takes me forever to get something down here you have got the same problems yeah yeah here we go again welcome we have again 3 presentations and then we have to decide on what concepts the mobile phone has to further remote control has to support so who wants to go yes who wants to start me 1st again or yeah sure does not matter alright did you open it already or no no so welcome to the marketing presentation once again this time about trend watching well there has been an investigation again in the remote control market it shows a number of developments i will address them in a moment fashion watchers have detected the trends for young public because that is our public well fruit and vegetables will be the most important team for clothing shoes and furniture and the feel of the material is expected to be spongy the developments i will address them 0 yeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looks are fresh bright colors so to give you an id well the development one the most important aspect for remote control happens to be a fancy look and feel instead of the current functional look and feel well fancy stands for an original look and feel of the case and the interface the 2nd most important aspect is that a remote control should be technological innovative well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist in current remote controls i think we pretty much covered that with our screen and speed recognition so i do not expect that to be a problem the 3rd development is that remote controls should be easy to use well the 1st aspect was twice as important as the 2nd aspect which was twice as important as the 2nd aspect which was twice as important as the 3rd aspect so that kind of gives you these ratios fancy look and feel is the most important point of attention so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the sponge material well technological innovation we have covered that pretty much i guess and easy to use i do not think that would be a problem so my point of attention is especially this part that this will be correct so that was the marketing presentation i had only one document left should i go 1st yeah i do not mind so kind of this so a small example kind of this nothing about the buttons but just sponge kind of thing and some fruit and colors i do not know i just made a quick design cool all right you are just the user interface no components yeah layout yeah it is okay you probably opened it yeah true f 5 all right so i am dealing with the component design let us see i use some we used some design examples we had from similar products and i used possibilities from our manufacturing department about current components which will have to be implemented in the design that is why i wanted to go 1st well they gave me an idea about what people want we are mainly focusing on this group but i want to make the distinction clear i could not drag the pictures into the slide so i do not have examples of how it looks like but it comes down to what you think we should do with the spongy and the fruity looking type if the young dynamic people want soft primary colors which looks like fruits you know and shapes that are curved and not solid straight lined anymore anymore so this basically goes on to what you were mentioning earlier there is a lot of factors involved in choosing the components there is a lot of options that we have to discuss for example the energy source we have 4 types the basic battery we have a hand dynamo which we dutch refer to it as the knaipkath the kinetic provision of the energy which means if you move the thing if you shake it which will be fun for toddlers right if they want to use the and of course solar cells but i do not know how we would use that into the design of the actual product so indoors my yeah also also in you know countries where there is not much light like in scandinavia they would not be able to use it half of the year you know so that is not cool either so for the case there is the traditional uncarved flat hard case single curved which means that it has curves in one dimension or the double curves i was not able to finish my personal preferences sheet but well in all we will have to go for the double curved because it is daring and different from what we have now the case materials well we have all kinds of hard materials like the the hard plastic the wood and the titanium i would definitely go for rubber because it fits most in what people want to see nowadays this is a lot of text i was not able to organize this yet we have several interface designs we can use scroll buttons for the menus but we already kind of decided to go for the push buttons for the arrow buttons button so that is not really interesting electronics yeah maybe we want to decide on what electronics to use the advanced chip i think is easiest to implement for the production because they they can print it better yeah i think this is this is about it yeah i was working on some personal preferences i 1st chose for the battery because yeah i am traditional and that is the most obvious easiest choice to go to but i really think that we should maybe think about the kinetic energy where you have to move the thing to be able to use it additional feature or combine both with one i guess we maybe we only fit one source of energy i can imagine that the kinetic type energy source would be more expensive to make but it is more long lasting that the people do not have to ever buy batteries again and it is more fun and it is also more fun yeah i always chuck my remote control around so just playing with it and especially when the material is rubber it can be done i mean you can not harm it so it is a perfect combination you do not have to be scared about bouncing it off the floor and breaking it or whatever yeah so that is the end of it yeah so so double curve is like this this this no it means curved in 2 dimensions so a single curved let us say would be a square box but then with curves on one dimension and double curved would mean that it would have curves in every direction like 3 d one very important thing i was thinking about the speech option speech option we were going to use that yeah yeah so yeah that is one thing which i am not sure of how to implement it into the design well the visual representation is not there with speech it has to be combined with the menu for functions and yeah so okay yeah i think you can just match the speech commands with the features that are already present so we do not think you have to design anything else for that do the speech just for the basic options for the simple buttons both for everything also for advanced options okay yeah this is all very basic a trend of design everybody says it so that is what yeah yeah in the last meeting we were we were putting the simple and the advanced options separated it is obvious pressing the menu option will disable all other options on your remote control and only the lcd panel will light up and then you can only change the and the buttons that you need to control it i guess yeah design has to be very attractive it has to be very attractive but that is your your your your yeah yeah you have to delete this but this is the simple layout display on the upper side with the menu button and maybe some sort of cancel button or save button that would be the back yeah back and okay back and okay yeah you did read the minutes i wrote what you did read the minutes i wrote i wrote a little bit i think but not everything because i pretty much summed up all the buttons they were so 0 i did not read that i hate doing work for nothing but this is the basic design for the yeah for the buttons i wanted to categorize everything with speech display yeah sound everything you know that you noted in your you know noted in your minutes every push button has its own lead light so you can change make it more trendy for younger people and if there are older people they want it more yeah more luxurious so that is an awesome option that was it that was it ok and then i am again okay so what we have to decide is what kind of components do we use energy source chip type case type and user interface but i did not see a clear distinction between this so i think what we have is okay so we only we already decided that kinetic would be the choice for energy no the case would be doubly curved rubber material and that is the only thing we have left yeah we need the the chip on print to be able to support the screen and audio function so that is is that he advanced chip yeah yeah otherwise you would have a simple chip just for pressing buttons but we need more alright i am just thinking this is not my department but i am not sure what this is going to cost to be able to no i did not get any info on this because we need to sell it for €25 apiece that is going to be difficult huh the cost of making it should be 12 and a half yeah yeah i do not know i did not get any information about that we are going to produce it in that china so it is no problem yeah child labor man we love it yeah so it does not let us see let us see what is a new thing well the interface type of supplements yeah the interface maybe can yeah it is it is quite difficult because we have not got all the options no do you have a picture of a doubly curved case and could you put it in the group folder let me see what is that if you go to the homepage or something you should yeah i am going there now get your own information inspiration i got my fresh and fruity picture also well you did not enjoy it yourself no ah 2 last time maybe it is menu yeah that was the menu i was looking at yeah maybe it is easier with a arrow so that indicates that there is a menu under that menu yeah perfect so that is cool maybe it is easier if you guys come over here see this is the standard traditional type where the forum serves the function you know it is like really basic but this is more appealing to old people and we do not want that this is what we are looking for and that means curves in both dimensions not only like this but it has to be exactly it has to be kind of instead of the playstation module it has to be like the game cube you know where your thumbs would be laying in the instrument and it has to be nice to hold it has also to be luxurious for rich people this looks a little bit like only for children yeah but that is the that is the problem the dilemma actually because we want to appeal to the to the young public with fancy with flashy colors and with a lot of shape and yeah and the rubber it it will look cheap always you know with the colors you can make it make the colors with the leds beneath the buttons if you press a button and you can disable the the core leads for people that do not like it there is mobile phones in which you can change the color also of the lights maybe we should consider this function to customize it and so i mean kids can make it look more flashy with different kinds of colors and people want something you know different or more design they can go for one color like for example this photo camera yeah cool underwater yeah super rined yeah personally i think it is really ugly just give me the thing that it is inside there but yeah then maybe i am too old for this stuff yeah yeah okay so those i think are all my 0 yeah bright colors yeah also kind of rubber this is with the curve that i mean yeah that is singly curve yeah it should be nice well we could make a compromise between that but i do not know if it is worth the worth the effort you compromise between what instead of doubly carved we take a single curved so to appeal a little more to the this will be a single curve huh yeah this is only in this dimension yeah so curve here and not in the eyes exactly so we keep a single curve then that would be an option i do not know what you think i think that i mean our aim is to make something different right to make something new i would go for the double curved and i am i am thinking you know a drawing palette where you have the shape for your thumb so it kind of holds nicely something like that well this is really your decision we can make more and more options for buttons if you have it in your hand you are not only yeah you do not need one dimension but you can use other dimensions for pressing the button yeah as well you can make a trigger button or something like that something to shoot at your television yeah or that is the confirmation button or something that you scroll with your thumb with the arrows and then confirm that would be a nice way to use it but i mean yeah i am thinking big already and we need something that you can able to use in one hand i think 0 yeah in one hand so from top view looks kind of it looks kind of like this but from the side you can have it also in a kind of shape maybe because the screen is on top you can have from buttons to interface maybe you can have this kind of shape a little upwards so that the screen is more toeert yourself so you can easily see your screen how about you have it in your hand so it is kind of an angle from your eyes to the screen so then you have double carved in some way so the screen is positioned over here 0 something like that and the buttons are more well it is very thick now but yeah i understand what you mean how about we do a pop up screen like the laptop so that only the simple functions will be visible at 1st yeah that you can press it and then it comes up or yeah something like that so you have the side view but then the side view can be straight if you have a pop up screen but i do not know if that is too expensive yeah it is too much you want to be able to make this no like i would draw it like this let us say this is the side view that you have that you have a screen that will come up here and can go down that way you know what i mean so that it will come up like that okay so the buttons are on top here and you flip it over that yeah or preferably even keep the simple buttons here and then under the screen even you can put more advanced buttons right yeah that is good yeah yeah that is for the lcd menu the menu okay yeah so hide them all yeah not all because you need most of them the arrow buttons but you can hide the okay in the back yeah and the menu button also because when you flip it open yeah you can maybe even drop the menu button because maybe if you flip it open it will activate the mode up till mid cliff so okay but you have to you need some button to flip this right open to but you can make it yeah you can make a trigger here yeah a simple yeah and it says menu and it flips open and then you have the buttons to control in combination with your it is not very strong if you drop it one time true it can go open yeah the idea of it was is that because you close it you cover the lcd screen and it will not be vulnerable to scratches or whatever and it will be covered in some kind of thin rubber there or something like that exactly exactly we just have to make sure that the closing mechanism will not break it is very solid yeah so that may work that actually will offer some extra protection we still have the thing of the the shape yeah yeah i was thinking if if you have your hand if this is your harder yeah the lower part does not work i guess so maybe you should try it over there okay if this is your thumb and this is your hand like that with your wrist that that you that it would be kind of shape like this you know so it is easier to hold in your hand to yeah yeah of course then you would have to yeah to make it like this like you drew here yeah and maybe then make this thicker also than the center give it i would give it a female shape but yeah yeah the female shape yeah obviously make some make more appealing to guys yeah the malls which you can change 0 yeah so if you yeah but that is optional for later i guess i mean we have hardware inside which is so it has to have some sort of basic shape yeah we better and also the screen you cannot mold it you know okay we should better choose 11 shape yeah but that is kind of the idea so it lays good in the hand and then on the side with your thumb you can place the screen here you can you can use the button so the key works are primary colors but then i would spongy i would do the arrows here kind of thing spongy can be reached by means of and the simple buttons here and the and the control things in the middle the the arrows yeah that is what i mean the arrows over here yeah and here the numbers simple yeah all right i think that is a nice design it is cool yeah that looks pretty fancy yeah or do we want to make it shape look like a banana or something i do not know yeah it is yeah it is bannanas are a weird shape and other fruits also so it is better to have some sort of basic print and then a fruit print in some primary colors i do not know what what color should the basic print be like some soft green or something or and then dark blue or yeah yeah dark blue and then then very bright yellow banana or an orange a green apple stuff like that with very bright tones i guess yeah we need very primary colors like bright red bright yellow yeah but primary colors we can create with the leds on yeah yeah okay yeah yeah yeah just give it a blue color then it is just a neutral color also for the more yeah for the older people that does not really work to draw i guess 0 what is this right right no you have text you could also make the line this yeah 2 hours further yeah thickness thickness so that is blue 0 why not go for the 20 yeah that is what i call painting so that is a dark blue basic color i guess yeah it is pretty nice and then yeah with some yellow banana and how about some some flashing standby lights lights like you have on the samsung well i do not like to call brands phones you know that because i remember from one of our 1st meetings that people lose their remote controls often so not only in the colors of the leds that we want something to keep it visible at all times how do you mean if you are flashing colors so you can not lose it yeah exactly i think it is a bit too much yeah an orange alright well this is more like purple i guess but yeah it should be more real dark blue so the contrast with the fruit objects is pretty high yeah so yeah it would be a nice device i guess which color should i give the display i mean the color of the background of the background of this color of the background of the display well i do not guess it has to be a 60 65 5000 color so yeah too expensive so just a blue black light or something like that green is too old fashioned about blue as long as you use high contrast between the background and the foreground color yeah so that people with the white backlight white backlight and dark dark letters yeah whatever which is visible i know you should test it under light conditions i mean it is hard to tell and also for people who are a bit color blind yeah that is mostly red and green i believe which which color should the buttons be that is adjustable whoa why adjustable all buttons yeah that is how we are going to make it more trendy or is that too expensive maybe i mean they have to have some color right and if the background is very dark blue maybe green but do not we want to make the background the bright colors so the total of the thing is very bright like the pictures i showed you guys those things were all like bright red bright red fleshy so more like it does not work very well more like this color yeah something like that and then then yellow and orange and red objects on it or something but then again which color should the buttons be the press buttons should that be white or black or red maybe and it looks quite cheap that color i think it is not the green yeah but it is pretty fresh on the other side it is actually pretty trendy color at the moment it is trendy okay yeah my couch is in that color ooh do not messes a couch yeah well that works pretty well and then time was up do you get a pop up yeah within 5 minutes that you have 5 minutes left or yeah and then we have to kick you out so something like this yeah that should be pretty nice color but maybe the buttons or buttons in red is maybe a bad contrast for colorblind people yeah no it is right of the green but the buttons had their own lads or not yeah red and green are actually the easiest to discriminate even for color blind they will see one of each as gray yeah but if you use green on blue those kind of colors will look the same okay so red buttons are okay i think so okay that is the default setting the red buttons yeah but i think you need to keep in mind that the lads are just extra light how do you mean yeah they do not determine the color that much i think about red lads and blue lads and that is too busy that is too busy i guess you have a background each number is transparent partly but you have to print on the number or the sign so you can not change the colors better keep the lead and the button itself in the same color i guess so just an extra bit of light what we should do i think is make kind of a see through plastic button with one colored lead behind it so that the whole button will shine as the color and if you think about easy to use buttons we have to make it the shape so that it is easy to hold for both hands but also that you can reach the buttons with your thumb if you hold the machine i do not mean to discourage you basically you 2 are going to work on smart board the next 30 minutes to design alright and you will do the evaluation of the product which we do not have yet yeah about so how should i do that yeah i do not know 0 okay or you send it to me or just because you are going to design it on this board right yeah but maybe you can do the evaluation you do not have to evaluate yet but you can make a procedure which to follow yeah i probably get instruction on that how to do that so i make another presentation i guess yeah i know i know what is going to happen in line yeah so you have a basic id and you 2 are going to do this so we are going to work here on this sketchboard yeah yeah good all right thanks yeah all right so that is i just make a new page and be creative yeah all right we have to do it at this moment after yeah you have 30 minutes okay then we have to see something yeah all right show to the management basically the what we are thinking about about yeah so yeah make a new yeah yeah let us just delete all next or yeah just make a new one yeah all right save this board yeah yeah i will just i will just keep it there yeah okay but just press save and it will be fine on the left clip art yeah current color draw in paint or something so okay shall we make some outline sketches of the basic shape 1st yeah because i have to focus on the on the basic look and field design so how it is going to look and you have to think how we are going to put the screen in it and those kind of things so if i am drawing and you think okay i am not going to be able to put a screen in there you have to correct do you mind if i draw in black then for normal sketches i do not know the button you can use your interaction so we kind of want the so the plastic buttons also help because of their only i am not so good at doing interaction so excuse me well it is a good thing that the buttons are not well that they are plastic because then you can light up the light under it when they are usable yeah maybe you should draw it very large like this this part is not functioning 0 right how do we erase or insert text or no maybe just start typing that is a bit big yeah you also do the other sides not only in the front side but also the side but also the side view let us make 1st the other views the front view side view and the i thought for the side view that the basic section the basic section would be rather a bit thicker than the middle where you are holding it because your fingers have to fit underneath and be very small i do not see a sign that the meeting is over yet exactly but the upper side has to be a bit more like that i think yeah the display we will put in here the basic functions and here where it is most reachable the the arrow functions exactly this is hard but i do not have to draw it exactly do we 0 it is okay wait let me try it one more time maybe it is easier if i draw it in once okay of course it will become way more ugly ugly you can make it some larger maybe it is easier to draw so take forever it is fun to work with this man so larger yeah that is the basic idea yeah so 5 minutes left before the meeting ends other views all right only if you are going to put the buttons on the side of the unit let us fill in the buttons later so this is going to be from the is this from the side yeah sorry yeah yeah sorry because the screen goes up like that right yeah so then it is like this or it is not convenient because then you have to screen like this and you look like the it is better to have it somewhat like this or does it flip all the way the idea is that it has to flip up to here maybe it is easier to integrate the lcd screen just into this bubble okay because it does not have to flip then because you have a space for making an lcd it is better to have this like this i guess and then flip it like this but why do we need the flipping you can adjust the angle to which it flips so it can also from this angle it can flip all the way up to there you can flip it up to there if you want so yeah but we still keep the flipping mechanism i think so yeah we keep the flip yeah because i think i think i think it will feel weird if you would make this smaller and this bigger or something that yeah i do not know the shape is okay but yeah i do not see the yeah why we should use the flipping mechanism yeah i thought it would be cool okay yeah yeah but maybe yeah but maybe we should then because we have enough space here we got the basic functions yeah there the middle the middle should not we integrate it and then like 0 the other come on so this is the shape 0 it does not it does not aim so well okay but the screen is a bit lower because if it falls on the other side it does not fall on the screen so there is a layer of rubber on the sides yeah definitely so no flipping no flipping no flipping no flippings yeah i guess but i mean most folks count right if you drop it it just breaks and it has to be very strong because of the throwing and the kinetic we better make it like this eventually yeah if you are going for the canada for children it is for people not 16 years they are responsible enough to have a mobile phone it is also to deal with their remote controller controller yes well yeah i am just thinking totally different designs also remember that the weird pocket phone thing 0 by the way look like kind of a game boy maybe we should try something like that yeah thought up a name for our product yeah it is called the real remote who 0 right copyright signed after real yeah all right yeah i like it maybe you can include that somewhere yeah we should work in our own room right 0 yeah we have to include that in our design as well yeah what the hell is that okay see you 2 half an hour okay good luck yep okay that is the site it is okay but do we want options on the side with the buttons yeah i think we do could make an unvolume button scroll yeah or also scrolling for the yeah i do not know we kind of wanted to stick with the yeah i am just thinking if we want to make something different right so with a scroll is more futuristic than the then the standard arrow buttons yeah i think yeah you are going to design it so" ]

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[ "yeah okay i g yeah time is it 1426 okay lovely to see you all again it is our conceptual design meeting and it is starting at approximately 1425 and so we have 40 minutes for this one again and so we will go just after 30 clock okay our agenda we are going to do an opening i am going to review the minutes of the last meeting then we will have your 3 presentations and then we will have to make a decision on the remote control concepts and finally we will close okay so opening these are our minutes from r the functional design we decided our target group is the focus on who can afford it because we have international appeal and we said it is for all age groups different functions of it our main objectives were simplicity and fashion and s in specific functions are something to keep the remote from getting lost large buttons for the essential functions a possibility for extra functions like a sliding a sliding piece and a long life battery or a charging station okay now 3 presentations i would like to do it in this order 1st do the conceptual specification of components properties and materials and then the conceptual specification of user interface and finally trend watching that would be me yep alright well kay function f 8 it there we go alright i am very excited by this one actually guys i had a lot of fun doing it components design this is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of so we need to examine each element separately but we are designing a full thing so you want to keep it integrated as a whole the main elements of remote controls in general and therefore ours as well are the case the buttons the circuit board with the chip and the battery these are all things that we had sort of addressed before but i am going to take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like the case the options that i have gotten from headquarters about what we can do there is there is the shape of a case we could do a flat sh a flat case a curved case or maybe even a double double curved case i have not seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet just keep that in mind but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic the m the main base will be plastic but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in wood latex titanium rubber or other colored types of plastic that would be our case buttons for buttons we have pushbuttons which is what real reaction uses the most often but we also have scror scroll wheels which can have integrated pushbuttons or we could go all high tech and have an l l c d screen circuit board and chip we can have a simple one a regular one or an advanced one depending on what our other needs are and then battery i think is where things get most exciting we are talking about long life batteries here we can we can have your sort of basic double a batteries but we also have these options of using a kinetic battery like are used in high tech watches where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery or a solar battery although there are slight complications with solar batteries as in we can not use a latex case if we have a solar battery or something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about 50 years ago flashlights not quite sure what that is but that is the description that i received so that is what i am passing on to you so those are our options personal preferences that i was thinking through here is what we have been talking about all through fashion and simplicity so if we are going for fashion in our cases i think that what we are going to want to look at is a curved or a double curved case probably with a variety of design elements maybe titanium maybe some wood we are going to have to investigate that better when i get specifics of the actual materials but that is sort of what i have in mind and we want to go for simplicity probably pushbuttons but i am sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel if anyone has anything any ideas on that i mean i know the ipods and things right now have touch scroll buttons which are exactly like what they are describing so that might be something we want to look into and i am really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery solar i do not think would be such a good idea because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light but this idea of the kinetic that you do not have to replace and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work i think that that m would be a very interesting thing but i think we would also want to go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we are going to start using an l c d so i think we want to be aware of not making things overly t technological if they do not need to be cause that will keep our manufacturing price way down that is what i have for options i would appreciate anyone is input but that is what i am seeing for the future of the the look of this thing is double curved like would be like 2 hands kind of thing i am not sure i have not received any specific okay visuals of this yet cause i am imagining like double curved is like you know like 2 sides that curve and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical ish kind of looking thing but i have no idea this is what i am sort of yeah i am not sure but i will let you know as soon as i get any pictures sounds good yeah i wonder i know if we do have a double curved case it can not have any titanium in it but the titanium they were quite they are marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space program so that could be quite interesting space age remote just all things to keep in mind just an interesting marketing kind of element yeah that is about all i have to do guys i hope i did not go through that too quickly just a real quick question the weight of these different elements have you no idea okay yeah n no idea no idea i am assuming that a kinetic battery is not going to take up that much weight and that a tita titanium is very light i know but other than that is really basic i mean that is all i have gotten so far okay alright any other questions huh do not think so no okay kay i have save this in the shared projects if anyone wants to look and i have c considerable notes on the topic as well thank you perfect thanks if anyone needs any more information if you made notes yourself you can put those on our underneath our 0 in your book then do not worry about that just in my notebook but if anyone has any specific questions do not hesitate to email me or something alright i guess i can kay now we are concepts concepts of user interface yeah this one is so much tighter than the other one i know okay nope there we go here you are jess g 0 geez alright so i am going to describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device we have talked about the 2 essential properties of the user interface we want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable other we have also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control so we need to determine what the essential functions of the d of the device are and make sure that we include that we have included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people we have a number of different choices for a design concept and s that is that is something that that i will show you some examples of but essentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work how how what kind of model is there going to be for user interaction with this device once we have chosen a a concept for it we can then design the features around the concept making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and the extra functions and the more advanced features and of course we also have to make it look cool so basically that is what we do not want m we do not want lots of buttons complicated features we want something that looks nice and simple here is a a fairly simple device this is an an ipod from apple i think the main thing to notice about it is it just has 4 buttons it is very minimalistic in its design you use these 4 buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small l c d screen the thing i like about this is that it is very very quick to access the main features you can just about make out that the button 3 buttons are previous track next track and play pause they are the main the main features of the ipod the things you will use a all the time then if you want to do anything more advanced you go into the little menu on the l c d screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want so i think that is that is a good a good kind of model that we could have here is a another example this is it is an interesting idea and i think i it looks pretty cool it is certainly got novelty value it is nice and colorful it is nice and bright it is also something that you can kind of feel your way around the buttons are are different shapes and and you can sort of yeah if you are watching t v in the dark or whatever you can work out which button is which and basically yeah it is ith it is fun so i i like i like this idea of just having buttons for the features that you use most often so you would need a few buttons to select your favorite channels i mean most people when they watch t v they have 250 channels on their t v and they watch of bout 4 of them at the most so you have buttons for your favorite channel changing the volume which is something you do all the time when you are watching t v and the button to switch it off in case you get bored other features things like adjusting the brightness tuning the t v i do not know what else you do with a t v but these are these are all necessary functions you can not have a t there is no point having a television that you can not tune or that you can not set the contrast so we need to find a way of including these somehow and one other suggestions i would make is to in is to include in a menu system a bit like on the ipod so we would either have a small l c d display on the device itself or have a dis a menu display that comes up on your television and can b be controlled through the device and that would allow you to access access the advanced features whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often okay so you would be advocating an l c d then i think that is that is one way to go yes okay i mean there are there are advantages and disadvantages if you if you have an l c d display it is it is nice because it is it it lets you just sort of sit there and saint and control your television from your armchair there are disadvantages an an l c d display would have to be quite small cause we are we are i well we are i assume we are going to be making quite a small device right it would also have to have a kind of backlighting in it cause you 10 you tend to watch t v in the dark but you need to be able to see your l d d l c d display right the alternative is to have a an on screen display on your television that you control through your remote control a bit like a bit like how they have these digital boxes where you you press the buttons and it comes up with your this thing of watch lo what is on each channel i mean that that is also a good idea okay it is it can it does have it is problems as well if you have got a small t v and you are sitting on the other side of a room it is hard to read the little text that comes up but that is a that is a design decision that we can make kay i do think that one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what is on and so like favorite channels is is applicable yeah but i think th that you do need to have some kind of function where it is you have t you can see the title of the show or possibly a description of it well are you are you tak yeah like i i know i use that often enough wait but is that separate from what he was saying yeah well if it if it was a l l c d on th on the remote i do not know that you could f that you would be able to see a no i think i think we are talking menu like contrast and tuning the v c r or something if i have understood you correctly rather than menu as what is on okay yeah that that would be one of the features yes okay but it is it is it is something to bear in mind is that if we put a display on the remote control cause that would be more specifically a digital box the c communication is one way so you can not have the televisions and information back to the remote control at least i do not think you can 0 good point i am not sure yeah okay now we are moving on to market should i plug that in marketing is that going on okay maybe it is just not is it on that should be alright actually ri what f do you have to press 5 8 i just keep pressing lots of em well i do not know how relevant all of this going to be if anything the that they gave me no signal oops it is not plugged in quite in well enough alright there we are oop there we go kay 0 yeah okay so we are going to look a little bit at trend watching basically i was given an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted and then also some fashion watchers in paris and milan commented on some things that are going to be going on this year so 1st they had people they ranked the important aspects of r remote controls and right now i d they are saying that currently there is a functional look and feel preference but that really over the next year it it that is going to be switching to fancy look and feel remotes so that just goes back to the whole desire of our c real reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so even though we are stressing when we are talking we have all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea they are sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it is fancy look and feel and as these are ranked the top one is doubly important to the 2nd one which is doubly important to the 3rd one so just to take that weight into account okay the 2nd thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations that would be like if we use something like the space material or the l c d screen things like that and then ease of use was the 3rd most important whi so really no matter what we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel according to this i do not know how much we agree with that and then the fashion watch talks about that this year is top trend for clothes shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there is a preference for spongy tight material s sweet and so that brings us to my personal preferences who wants a spongy remote or one with fruit and vegetable padding personally i do not really think that i want one that is going to go out of style or go stale excuse the pun in a year so even though this is coming from us as you know trend watch market research i do not know how much of it we necessarily want to take away also considering that the d research b has been carried out by real reaction i am a little hesitant as to like how these questions may have been worded and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking personally like i might reverse it but if we are working for this company then i guess no matter what we have to stress fashion the most but it does not necessarily need to be a spongy material that there is all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though yeah i do not have a lot of notes to share if you want them that pretty much sums it up so yeah okay do we have any s some questions for this let us see yeah what can i possibly enlighten on do you have any ideas how to possibly use these how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or or the spongy material at all like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote it would be easier on the hands if it is latex if it is latexy it is kind of and then it we would have to find a way to protect like the chip and all that i dunno mean a kind of thing that an i if th my understanding of a latex case is that it is in fact hard to protect stuff inside but but that it is covered with the latex which is spongier and softer on your hands it is there is something to be said i mean we we got that thing earlier from you about not wanting it to r r repetitive stress injuries and things and and yeah yeah something grippable i mean we do not we do not we do not want to go spongy maybe yeah so something m m instead of a necess yeah grip i am thinking grip more than like sinking into your hands yeah you know i and i think i am envisioning more like yeah yeah you know the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle so that it does not hurt when you are sitting down for a long time like i am imagining that sort of thing i do not know what th that material is called yeah i think that given the list of materials i w i was forwarded it is that seems doable could we go in fruit and vegetable colors we could color co ordinate them li f for sure or maybe like couple main ones being like i dunno lemons or strawberries or something the buttons could be fruit shaped could they be smelly i is it supposed to be shaped like a vegetable 0 god 0 well it is quite easy to s shape thing like carrot is not it like i dunno like carrots or something i do not know or carrot shaped maybe or or maybe the buttons could be shaped like different fruits like large button that is what i was thinking of yeah what about the idea of like a round remote instead of like a vertical up and down one like in terms of holding it be yeah kind of like a potato like that is a f shape of a fruit yeah it would be harder to f bu buttons i think just to tie it in a little might would you think you you do you think you would be able to hold it cause i think the reason they are long is yeah it would be harder to press button depends harder to push when you when you use a remote do you press the buttons with your thumb usually yeah or your fingers i usually hold it in one hand maybe or maybe you want something that is shaped like a mobile phone so you you hold it in one hand and you press the buttons with your thumb i yeah that is ts how i tend to do it but then the buttons would have to be very small yeah cause otherwise your fingers can not move around do not you think no just thumb sized jus but i like i but i mean in order to get to all of them you know yeah yeah they would have to be within a certain amount of space with each other maybe that is true but if you have only got like 4 or 5 buttons anyway then it is it is not so much a problem perhaps right i when i am when i am pressing buttons on my ipod that is how i do it hold it and press the 4 so you hold it in one hand and you press you press the buttons with your thumb and yeah yeah or in and use my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel and you find that works quite well i love the idea of the wheel like the ipod yeah is that the button on an ipod is it what is it is it just 4 buttons or is it li more like a scroll thing cause th it is like 5 cause there is one in the middle it is a scroll yeah it is a wheel it wel well yeah it would i mean each version of it has been a little bit different but the one i have does not have the 4 on i like around it i do not think 0 yeah you had one of the in between ones when they were not doing that anymore ts and you press the center button that is that is your all purpose select button right there right 0 i see right yeah 0 okay since it is the one in the center that is not marked yeah yeah that is quite a good design i think why it would be good for us is cause like you could have the same wheel sort of effect for like channel flipping and then the other one could be like for volume yeah like just the idea of like those so few buttons for main things but then how you could go back to the menu and like t i dunno if we would want it on the screen there or on the actual t v i kind of am wanting to say on the t v cause if you are changing the brightness do not you want to see it happening kind of yeah yeah yeah and then you could still have that available yeah i think an l c d screen might be good in theory but not as useful in practice i think it could be difficult in practice yeah yeah also z yeah cause you would be z looking down at the l c d screen than back up at your t v and people do not want to do that right okay we have we have about 15 minutes left so i am i am going to 0 we probably have to get going do not we huh continue with my president presentation i have one more slide before we close but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this these kinds of things kay so i will just bring that up and show you all before we move on if i get any more information of fruits and vegetables i will let you know could could we could we have changeable covers like for your mobile like to make it different fruits in different fruit and vegetable colors yeah yeah it is possible yeah and then like the the covers could be spongy latex wherea but the actual model could be titanium exactly and you could co ordinate with your house or whatever i think maybe th the packaging it should be like a lemon and the the packaging is like the peel all these options so instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it and the remote control is inside ooh well there we go 0 do not know ah the ipod packaging is me like was so that was like half the fun it is like the way it all comes all cute yeah lemons options okay components concept energy chip on print hu 00 yes right i had sort of skipped over that hoping it would not get g be necessary but that is th th this is the agenda they gave me so can you just explain what that is real quick alright so decisions what the okay deci decisions on energy i am thinking is based on the battery i dunno what do people think about this kinetic battery idea i think it is awesome i think it is really cool am i yeah yeah i mean it would t totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries yeah yeah i think it is good as as long as we consider the the cost and the how reliable it is but as far as i know the technology is good right i have not gotten any yeah any more information on cost other than it is more expensive than a regular battery costs but but if we are using a an i a cheaper chip then it will even out i think but over time circuit boards yeah i got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced they are they are thin fiberglass with copper wires etched on to them and di i think they are quite easily printed on by machine which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us i do not really know what to tell you as far as decisions i was not really given any options i was just given that this is how they are done okay yeah i can not can not really tell you i can i can tell you a whole lot about how it works but i do not know any decisions on if they are if they are really options yeah i am sorry i did f okay al all circuit boards are pretty much the same i think it is fairly fairly standard yeah okay then we will move on to the case 0 bu i guess maybe if we decided on like a simple a regular or an advanced chip maybe right well okay here is the here is the thing on the chips that i that i got simple regular advanced chip on print the chip on print includes an infrared sensor so we do not have to worry about that kay the pushbutton if we are going to have pushbuttons they require a simple chip but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip and an l c d requires advanced do we want a scroll wheel or do we just want pushbuttons i do not think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel i mean it might be nice for changing the volume 0 it would be nice for changing the volume but i do not know how useful it would be for changing the channel but i do not think it would really work cause you do not have control over numbers or yeah it is a yeah you really need buttons for changing a channel yeah th it would be it would be handy for going through if there was an on screen menu of your channel choices than you can scroll down on the scroll but if you c if you could scroll through the channels and then the volume would just be yeah yeah we have 5 minutes left for the meeting so and the volume would just be like the same way forward and backward as i am just thinking like it would make it much like sleeker sort of looking yeah yeah and otherwise no matter how may buttons we have we are going to have like you know yeah black with red sticking out and th no it is going to inevitably sort of start looking like those group of sort of ugly ones that we saw stacked up yeah so have a scroll for volume f or for all those secret functions f when you get on the on screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons and you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus i think yeah i think a scroll wheel would be nice but it is not necessary right so we could either go with a simple or a regular chip depending and maybe we could table that decision for later i do not know i think w well i think when we go on to the une userface we are going to have to decide the interface we are going to have to decide whether we are going to have a scroll or not okay well let us think about that while we talk about the case okay let us do case i am kinda liking the idea of latex if if spongy is the in thing yeah i am a little i am a little hesitant about it because i am worried about protecting the stuff on the inside okay 0 could it be hard and then something around it yeah everything i have yeah i would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing n 0 wha what i have what i have seen just not related to this but of latex cases before is that there is like a hard plastic inside and it is just covered with the latex okay not too thick a layer of latex just enough to be grippable like bike handles or or anything that you have seen like that okay the inside is hard i do not think we need to worry about protecting the circuit board i think that that is done for us ge 0 okay kay yeah so we we do want latex yeah yeah okay latex and probably in colors maybe fruity vegetable colors yeah fruity colors okay let us go to the ufe user interface then we will come back to the chip i suppose 0 and we want a curved case yeah or a double curved well we do not really know what the difference is right i am thinking curved of some sort yeah yeah okay yeah we do not really know what the difference okay interface the type and the supplements so push or scroll right yep or both and i think if we want to keep our costs down we should just go for pushbuttons cause then we can have a a simple chip and it is simpler it is it is cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button good point so in terms of in terms of economics it is probably better to have pushbuttons and if we had a sc an on screen kind of thing that you could scroll through like you can use your buttons to scroll through things yeah yeah it is it is it is fairly simple i think that yeah for channel surfing i think a scroll an actual like an ipod is kind of scroll thing would be too fast i dunno yeah i say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but i have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton but it has got to be some more expensive so i think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case yeah yeah because is that okay with you interesting how you feeling yeah and let us like see if we get anything else i mean i am not like hard sold on the scroll wheel it is more just to give it a different kind of look but if it is going to be in a latex type thing and that is going to look cool then that is probably going to have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel it might be cool enough yeah okay so we are going to go with type pushbuttons and then supplements how are we going to do that yep what do you mean by supplements exactly i assume that is what else we are going to like h ha the the additional buttons we can use 0 so we are going to have like a menu button so that we can access on screen things then yep yeah okay so we are doing an on screen menu that we can scroll through alright in so what are what are our buttons going to be yeah on off on off volume favorite channels and menu so like one through 5 or yeah yeah about yeah like yeah a bit like radio presets like a radio type sorta situation pre set channels and then we are going to need numbers one through 0 right we would not even need the numbers no i think maybe numbers seems is kind of old fashioned well but in order to pre set a cha 0 i guess you can just hold it down when you get to one when you are scrolling through yeah yeah you can just and you need some kind of i dunno sort of up down kind of button but the volume control could double for that for example yeah up down okay finishing the meeting now our next meeting starts in 30 minutes you each have things to do look and feel design user interface design product evaluation and you 2 are going to work together on a prototype using modeling clay you will get specific instructions from your personal coach ooh cool wow did we decide on a chip let us go with a simple chip simple chip yep okay we are done thank you everyone 0 i di these are already in our shared folder so okay cool clay clay i was not expecting that" ]

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[ "i am going to be okay okay okay okay thank you thank you yeah 5 minutes 14 1426 okay lovely to see you all again it is our conceptual design meeting and it is starting at approximately 1425 and so we have 40 minutes for this one again so we will go just after 30 clock okay our agenda we are going to do an opening i am going to review the minutes of the last meeting then we will have your 3 presentations and then we will have to make a decision on the remote concepts finally we will close so opening these are our minutes from the functional design we decided our target group is the focus on who can afford it because we have international appeal and we said it is for all age groups different functions of it our main objectives were simplicity and fashion and in specific functions were something to keep the remote from getting lost large buttons for the essential functions a possibility of for extra functions like a sliding piece and a long life battery or a charging station okay now 3 presentations i would like to do it in this order 1st to the conceptual specification of components properties and materials and then the conceptual specification of user interface and finally trend watching all right okay function f 8 there we go all right i am very excited by this one actually guys i had a lot of fun doing it components design this is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of so we need to examine each element separately but we are designing a full thing so you want to keep it integrated as a whole the main elements of remote controls in general and therefore ours as well are the case the buttons the circuit board with the chip and the battery these are all things that we had sort of addressed before but i am going to take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like the case the options that i have gotten from headquarters about what we can do there is a shape of a case we could do a flat case a curved case or maybe even a double curved case i have not seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet just keep that in mind but these are the options that we have for manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic the main base will be plastic but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in wood latex titanium rubber or other colored types of plastic that would be our case for buttons we have push buttons which is what real reaction uses the most often but we also have scroll wheels which can have integrated push buttons or we could go all high tech and have an l c ectrine cd screen circuit board and chip we can have a simple one a regular one or an advanced one depending on what our other needs are and then battery i think is where things get most exciting we are talking about long life batteries here we can have your sort of basic double a batteries but we also have these options of using a kinetic battery like are used in high tech watches where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery or a solar battery although there are slight complications with solar batteries as in we can not use a latex case if we have a solar battery or something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about 50 years ago flashlights not quite sure what that is but that is the description that i received so that is what i am passing on to you so those are our options and personal preferences that i was thinking through here is what we have been talking about all through fashion and simplicity so if we are going for fashion in our cases i think that what we are going to want to look at is a curved or double curved case probably with a variety of design elements maybe titanium maybe some wood we are going to have to investigate that better when i get specifics of the actual materials that is sort of what i have in mind and we want to go for simplicity probably push buttons but i am sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll wheel if anyone has anything any ideas on that i mean i know the ipods and things right now have touch scroll buttons which are exactly like what they are describing so that might be something we want to look into and i am really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery solar i do not think would be such a good idea because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light but this idea of the kinetic that you do not have to replace and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work i think that that would be a very interesting thing but i think we would also want to go for a simple chip or a regular chip to keep our costs down we really only need a regular or advanced chip if we are going to start using an lcd so i think we want to be aware of not making things overly technological if they do not need to be that will keep our manufacturing price way down that is what i have for options i would appreciate anyone is input but that is what i am seeing for the future of the look of this thing it is double curved like would that be like 2 hands kind of thing i am not sure i have not received any specific visuals of this yet so imagine like double curved is like you know like 2 sides that curve and then like one curve would just be like a single verticalish kind of looking thing i am not sure but i will let you know as soon as i get any pictures i wonder i know if we do have a double curbed case it can not have any titanium in it but the titanium they were marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space program so that could be quite interesting space age removal just all things to keep in mind just an interesting marketing kind of element that has been all i have to do guys i hope i did not go through that too quickly just a real quick question the weight of these different elements have you no idea no idea i am assuming that a kinetic battery is not going to take up that much weight and that titanium is very light i know but that is really basic that is all i have gotten so far okay all right any other questions i have saved this in the shared projects if anyone wants to look thank you and i have considerable notes on the topic as well if anyone needs any more information if you made notes yourself you can put those on our underneath our book 0 in your book then do not worry about that but if anyone has any specific questions do not hesitate to email me or something all right okay now we are concepts of user interface this one so much tighter than the other one this one so much tighter than the other one okay nope there we are there you are thanks so i am going to describe the concept of the user interface device device we have talked about the 2 essential properties of the user interface we want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable however we have also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose we want people to be able to use it as a remote control so we need to determine what the essential functions of the device are and make sure that we include that we have included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people we have a number of different choices for a design concept and that is something that i will show you some examples of but essentially we need to choose how is this device going to work what kind of model is there going to be the user interaction with this device once we have chosen a concept for it we can then design the features around the concepts making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and the extra functions functions and the more advanced features and of course we also have to make it look cool so basically that is what we do not want we do not want lots of buttons complicated features we want something that looks nice and simple here is a fairly simple device this is an ipod from apple i think the main thing to notice about it is it just has 4 buttons it is very minimalistic in a different design you use these 4 buttons to move around a range of settings on a small lcd screen the thing i like about this is that it is very very quick to access the main features you can just about make up that the bottom 3 buttons are previous track next track and play pause they are the main features of the ipod the things you will use all the time time then if you want to do anything more advanced you go into the little menu on the lcd screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and find the more advanced features that you want so i think that is a good kind of model that we could have here is another example this is an interesting idea and i think it looks pretty cool it is certainly got novelty value it is nice and colorful and it is nice and colorful it is nice and and bright it is also something that you can kind of feel your way around the buttons are different shapes and you can sort of yeah if you are watching tv in the dark or whatever you can work out which buttons which and basically yeah it is fun so i like this idea of just having buttons for the features that you use most often so you would need a few buttons to select your favorite channels i mean most people when they watch tv they have 250 channels on their tv and they watch about 4 of them at the most so you have buttons for your favorite channel changing the volume which is something you do all the time when you are watching tv and the button to switch it off in case you get bored other features things like adjusting the brightness tuning the tv i do not know what else you do with the tv but these are these are all necessary functions you can not have a there is no point having a television that you can not tune or that you can not set the contrast so we need to find a way of including these somehow and one of the suggestions i would make is to include them in a menu system a bit like on the ipod so we would either have a small lcd display on the device itself or have a menu display that comes up on your television and can be controlled through the device and that would allow you to access the advanced features whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often okay so you would be advocating an lcd then i think that is one way to go yes i mean the advantages and disadvantages if you have an lcd display it is it is nice because it lets you just sit there and control your television from your armchair there are disadvantages and an lcd display would have to be quite small because we are well i assume we are going to be making quite a small device it would also have to have a kind of backlighting in it because you tend to watch tv in the dark but you need to be able to see your lcd display the alternative is to have an on screen display on your television that you control through your remote control a bit like how they have these digital boxes where you press the buttons and it comes up with your listing of what is on each channel that is also a good idea it does have its problems as well if you have got a small tv and you are sitting on the other side of a room it is hard to read the little text that comes up but that is a design decision that we can make i do think that one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what is on and so like favorite channels is applicable but i think that you do need to have some kind of function where you can see the title of the show or possibly a description of it i know i use that often is that separate from what he was saying well if it was lcd on the remote i do not know that you could that you would be able to see a i think we are talking menu like contrast and tuning the vcr or something if i have understood you correctly rather than menu as what is on okay because that would be more specifically a digital box if we put a display on the remote control communication is one way so you can not have the television send information back to the remote control 0 good point okay now we are moving on the market marketing i am going to go back i guess you are going to i guess so is that going to go like it what f do you have to 8 just keep pressing multiple well i do not know well i do not know how relevant all of this is going to be anything this is not plugged in all right there we go there we go okay okay so we are going to look okay so we are going to look a little bit at trend watching basically i was given an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted and then also some fashion washers in paris and milan commented on some things that are going to be going on this year so 1st they ranked the important aspects of remote controls and right now they are saying that currently there is a fact that there is a fact that they are a functional look and feel preference but that really over the next year that is going to be switching to fancy look and feel remote so that just goes back to the whole desire of our real reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so even though we are stressing when we are talking we have all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea they are sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it is fancy look and feel and as these are ranked the top one is doubly important to the 2nd one which is doubly important to the 3rd one just to take that weight into account the 2nd thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations that would be like if we use something like the space material or the lcd screen things like that and then eads of use was the 3rd most important so really no matter what we need to focus the most on fancy look of view according to this i do not know if you agree with that and then fashion watch talks about that this year is top trend for clothes shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and that there is a preference for spongy type material and so that brings us to my personal preferences who wants a spongy remote or one with a fruit and vegetable fat personally i do not really think that i want one that is going to go out of this style or go stale excuse the pun in a year so even though this is coming from us as you know trend watch market research i do not know how much of it would be necessarily want to take away also considering that the research has been carried out by real reaction i am a little hesitant as to like how these questions may have been worded and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology to ease of use is necessarily the right ranking personally like i might reverse it but if we are working for this company then i guess no matter what we have to stress fashion the most but it does not necessarily need to be a spongy material there is all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though yeah i do not have a lot of notes to share if you want them that pretty much sums it up so yeah do we have any some questions for this yeah what can i possibly enlighten on do you have any ideas how to possibly use these how to use a fruit of vegetable or the spongy material at all could we make a spongy remote it would be easier on the hands if it is latexy it is kind of and then it we would have to find a way to protect like the chip and all that i do not know my understanding of a little latex cases that it is in fact hard to protect stuff inside but it is covered with the latex which is spongier and softer on your hands there is something to be said i mean we we got that thing earlier from you about not wanting it to our repetitive stress injuries and things and you know yeah so something something grippable i mean yeah grip i am thinking we do not want to go spondy maybe sinking into your hands i think i am envisioning more like like yeah you know the material that you have when you send on like a bicycle so that it does not hurt you are sitting on for a long time like i am imagining that sort of thing i do not know what that is called given the list of materials i was forwarded that seems doable could we go in fruit and vegetable colors you could color coordinate them or maybe like a couple main ones being like i do not know lemons or strawberries the buttons could be fronated could they be smelly 0 god is it supposed to be shaped like a vegetable i do not know like a carrots or something 0 it is quite easy or maybe the buttons could be shaped like large button that is what i was thinking of yeah what about the idea of like a round remote instead of like a vertical up and down one like in terms of holding it like that is a sheep of a fruit might try it in a little do you think you would be able to hold it because i think the reason they are long is it would be harder to button i think it is harder to press when you use a remote you press the buttons with your thumb usually yeah or your fingers i usually hold it in one hand maybe maybe you want something that is shaped like a mobile phone so you hold it in one hand and you press the button but then the buttons would have to be very small that is how i tend to do it what do you think just thumb sized but i mean in order to get to all of them you know yeah they would have to be within a certain amount of space but if you have only got like 4 or 5 buttons anyway then it is not so much a problem when i am pressing buttons on my ipod that is how i do it hold it and press you hold it in one hand and you press the buttons yeah and use my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel i love the idea of the wheel like 5 pod is the button on an ipod is it what is it is it just 4 buttons or is it it is like 5 because there is one in the middle yeah i mean each version of it has been a little bit different the one i have does not have the 4 on each 0 yeah you have one of the in between ones when they were not doing that anymore and you press the center button that is your all purpose select button right there 0 okay this is the one in the center that is not marked i think why it would be good for us is because like you could have the same wheel sort of effect for like channel flipping and then the other one could be like for volume like just the idea of like those so few buttons for main things but then how you could go back to the menu and like i do not know if we would want it on the screen there on the actual tv i kind of am wanting to say on the tv because if you are changing the brightness do not you want to see it happening kind of yeah yeah and you can still have that available yeah i think an lcd screen might be good in theory but not as useful in practice yeah yeah also yeah because you would be looking down at the lcd screen and like up at your tv okay we have about 15 minutes left so i am going to continue with my presentation i have one more slide before we close but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this these kinds of things so i will just bring that up and show you all before we move on like any more information on fruits and vegetables could we let you know could we have changeable covers for your mobile in different fruit and vegetable colors yeah yeah and then the covers could be spongy latex where it but the actual model could be tidying and you could coordinate with your house or whatever all these options the packaging it should be like a lemon and the packaging is like the peel so instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it well there you go but i have had packaging as meat like was so that was like half the fun it is like the way it all comes all cute components concept energy chip on print 0 yes right i had sort of skipped over that hoping it would not get be necessary but this is the agenda they gave me so can you just explain what that is real quick decisions what the okay this is not on energy i am thinking is based on the battery i do not know what do people think about this kinetic battery idea i think it is awesome i think it is really cool yeah i mean it would totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries yeah yeah i think it is good as long as we consider the cost and how reliable it is right i have not gotten any more information on cost other than it is more expensive than a regular battery but over time but if we are using a cheaper chip and it will even out i think circuit boards i got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced they are thin fiberglass with copper wires etched onto them and i think they are quite easily printed on by machine which chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us i do not really know what to tell you as far as decisions i was not really given any options i was just given that this is how they are done okay yeah i can not really tell you i can tell you a whole lot about how it works but i do not know any decisions on if there are really options yeah i am sorry okay all circuit boards are pretty much the same i think yeah okay then we will move on to the case i guess maybe if we decided on like a simple a regular or an individual advanced chip maybe okay here is the thing on the chips that i got simple regular advanced chip on print the chip on print includes an infrared sensor so we do not have to worry about that okay the push button if we are going to have push buttons they require a simple chip but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip and an lcd requires advanced do we want a scroll wheel or do we just want push buttons i do not think we really need a scroll real i mean it might be nice for changing the volume it would be nice for changing the volume but i do not know how useful it would be for changing the channel because you do not have control over numbers or yeah you really need buttons for changing your channel it would be handy for going through if there was an on screen menu of your channel choices but if you could scroll through the channels and then the volume would just be we have 5 minutes left with the meeting and the volume would just be like this same way forward and backward is i am just thinking like it would make it much like sleeker sort of looking yeah and otherwise no matter how many buttons we have we are going to have like you know black with red sticking out and it is going to inevitably sort of start looking like those group of sort of ugly ones that we saw stacked up so have a scroll for volume or for all those secret functions when you get on the on screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus i think yeah i think a scroll wheel would be nice but it is not necessarily right so we could either go with a simple or a regular chip depending maybe we could table that this for later i do not know i think well i think when we go into the user face we are going to have to decide the interface we are going to have to decide whether we are going to have a scroll or not have a scroll or not well let us think about that while we talk about the case okay let us do case i am kind of liking the idea of latex if spongy is the in thing i am a little i am a little hesitant about it because i am worried about protecting the stuff on the inside okay well could it be hard and then something around there yeah i would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe like a mobile phone kind of thing what i have seen just not related to this but of latex cases before is that there is a hard plastic inside and it just covered with the latex okay not too thick a layer of latex just enough to be grippable okay by candles or anything that you have seen like that the inside is hard i do not think we need to worry about protecting the circuit board i think that that is done for us okay so we do want latex yeah okay text and probably in colors maybe fruity vegetable colors yeah fruity colors okay let us go to the user interface then we will come back to the chip i suppose 0 and we want a curved case yeah or a double curved well we do not really know what the difference is right i think in curved of some sort yeah yeah okay we do not really know what the difference okay interface the type and the supplements so push or scroll right yep or both and i think if we want to keep our costs we should just go for push buttons because then we can have a simple chip and it is simpler it is cheaper to make push buttons than it is a scroll button good point so in terms of economics it is a simple and if we had an on screen kind of thing that you could scroll through like you could use your buttons to scroll through things yeah it is i think that for channel surfing i think a scroll an actual like an ipods kind of scroll thing would be too fast yeah i do not know i say push buttons at least unless we get any information i have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than a push button than a push button but it has got to be some more expensive so i think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like kinetic battery in the cool case is that okay with you yeah and let us see if we get anything else i mean i am not like hard sold on the scroll wheel it is more just to give it a different kind of look but if it is going to be in a latex type thing and that is going to look cool then that is probably going to have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel yeah okay so we are going to go with type push buttons and then supplements how are we going to do that what do you mean by supplements i assume that is what else we are going to like the additional buttons we can use so are we going to have like a menu button so that we can access on screen things then okay so we are doing an on screen menu that we can scroll through so what are our buttons going to be on off off volume favorite channels so like one through 5 like a radio type sort of situation yeah like radio presets and then we are going to need numbers one through 0 right we would not even need numbers i think maybe numbers well but in order to preset a 0 i guess you can just hold it down when you get to one when you are scrolling through and you need some kind of i do not know so up down kind of button yeah up down yeah yeah okay finishing the meeting now our next meeting starts in 30 minutes you each have things to do look and feel design user interface design product evaluation and you 2 are going to work together on a prototype using modeling clay you will get instructions from your personal coach wow did we decide on a chip let us go with a simple chip simple chip okay done thank you everyone i will i these are already in our shared folder 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here okay but you want to have the information because the the mouth you move it it it is an information equivalent to that no but it is maybe n you do not need to do the whole complicated modeling but to scan t all the user no no no no no no that that that everything is done through through the voice here you take a voice of someone and then you can get out this information okay it is it is not p it is clear it is not perfect but s it is enough to to to use it for for different purposes and okay so you have the p the pitch and you have information about the voice dynamic or yeah rate of speech is also possibility okay how fast you speak that is quite personal also but it varies over time depending on emotion that also might be interesting for you detecting emotion emotion the involvement in a discussion yeah yeah if you are saying 0 yeah yeah we should and us yeah yeah so these measures are a way to quantify that okay and i is it expensive to do in c p u you mean not not that well as far as i know p no no no it is not but in fact if y you speak of a lot of things that are not expensive at the end you have something that is actual what w w what is m what is more expensive is to take the decision finally so your decision can be for example who is it or if the person moved which is probably the most complicated thing like the person goes away then comes back 10 minutes later sits at a different place you will need to build statistical models of the person identity using these measures so the ones he mentioned i do not know if you are familiar with that is it called p c m i thi well it is it is not a technology s yeah it is more or less used this to compress audio yeah yeah i have to i want to check it i can show it you afterwards so not really familiar well i did a course about it but i should not say it too loud because the professor is working here at idiap no okay so you are the expert yeah i should reread what i signed there so careful you are recorded okay s okay so all this stuff is done from the f f t yeah so you have to do f f t because otherwise also location to identity all i was saying is that these different measures are a way to evaluate the identity of the person okay so if with location all you can do is extract segments of speech for example but it will not tell you that these are the same person it is just a location but to get a cluster the location that is a place where noise is regularly coming from yeah yeah yeah so that might be good for example for 10 minutes but then the person might move or a different person might come but for instance for a setting like here it would be enough because we are not moving yeah it is well unless sometimes somebody goes there or yeah okay right yes but we are targeting a place where we do not know i where it will be more flexible so we need more than just location if we want to yeah yes but it well it i am even not sure if it is that important to know which person is talking because if if it i think about a table or so something physical yeah you just want to know in in which corner of the table speech is coming and not which person produced the speech so i agree i it it is im maybe just yeah it i it yes it is important for detecting patterns because if you say let us say w how much the person have spoken over the the 5 last minutes yeah yeah but it is not really related to the ah yeah i see it is you need a bit both so it if someone come and yes but that you can do with location if it is only on the short term yes yes i think it may it may be okay but it depends how long y on on the off line yeah i would say you might use these measures in a simple way if you do it on line like to give feedback but you you mentioned that another side of your project is also to analyze off line so there you might want to use a this is we had a student here he finished one or 2 years ago but he left his software and his software is precisely to do that to cluster at another level to cluster these small clusters of speech group them by person automatically from th from the location y no from the these measures pitch etcetera 0 okay so sound so i this is only based on you give the spectrum and okay yeah exactly so i would say from location at the lower level you can get small parts of speech and then at the next level possibly off line you can group them into a speech segment i am hoping to have enough time to try doing that before i finish my thesis yes so if i manage to do some practically usable software i will tell you when are you planning to finish your in 56 months abou approximately okay but the last ones are always the more extensible not really more busy i would say yes yeah so you said you want to do separation but ex exactly yeah i do not know how mu maybe we would be more interested to know that it is not the same people more than knowing that it is the same people yeah okay or to detect that someone is more that was not talking before is talking now okay i i said we want t to know to to do separation just because of the voice recognition ah you want to do voice recognition i this is not the yes you might want you might might want to do yes okay yes no but but in fact we have yes we are designing a noise sensitive table just f from your ring but we are also designing a prototype to analyze the conversations okay so we might add there a lot of features yeah so yeah once you have locations it is not a big problem okay and i do not know perhaps perhaps if you have 2 people speaking speaking at the same time i do not know if voice recognition of an such a stream is real no no you should separate them 1st yeah yeah okay so yes so that is fine so the type of things i presented can lead to separation sure it is only a very small step to add yes it is not every important feature for now but yeah yeah although it might be if you want to ex extract these features like pitch and rate of speech or energy simply from each person you might have to do some ba basic separation cause quite often people do not realize that they talk at the same time interrupt each other yes so even if you do not want to recognize a speech fully at least you need yeah you need to separate it and another what i do not remember it is okay you can email later yeah so okay yes also to to extract the context yeah because if you know the words that are spoken you can let us say someone say he is angry about the word he is seen okay a semantic context yeah yes yeah yeah then you mi you might want to add this kind of this is not in my project but that are further directions no but i think once you have the voice for a person you can start to do this and once people have speech recognition or far enough to t yes professor was interested to know when people were talking about him ah someone is talking about me let us listen so it is yeah you could detect one word yeah yes keyword spotting yeah and have a special events trigger if and lighting a on his office so okay so are you done w with what you wanted to presented us in regards with these questions yeah i think so yeah i i will just say if you want i can point to 3 papers but no i think it is better if i just send you the link it is probably simpler sure the link sure 3 papers about one im is about this sector based stuff like the localisation and detection okay one is about how to take the decision that somebody is active or not it sounds simple at 1st you think you just put the threshold and that is it but the problem is the it is n no problem no it is it does not sound simple but yes you can yes it no you can do that no more time for problems there is no problem but i if you want your your system to work in different conditions like cafeteria library okay the environment will be quite different so a single fixed threshold value might be a problem sure yes in fact for now we are using a kind of calibration but it is still s yeah so you can do that automatically this kind of things i do not know if you are doing that already but yes okay yes but in fact you have to sit in front of the microphone and it is yeah people one speak and people 2 and people 3 and you are just subtracting the the level that you you kept in the other microphones okay so i have another paper which might be interesting for that for a single channel calibration okay and i have code on line so for this particular one okay and the last one i would say is the clustering to yeah the clustering of the different locations over time so that you can get small clusters of speech there are other ways to do it but i think it is it is important because in spontaneous speech all these words are quite small so you need to do that adequately yeah but otherwise yeah i am done okay just a last question when you mentioned it if i am speaking very how do you say it yes i am just speaking one word every every 12nd yes a is the the event that is detected is will be a sum of small parts slowly yeah yeah there will not be okay many small events basically yeah so you yes you have to to reprocess to to say let us say yes there is a very small interval you have to consider it yeah basically i mean it depends because this is yes this is one this can be considered as one interv intervention yeah even if somebody says just yes i do not know if it is important for you or not it might be it might be might this is not a very easy problem for the 1st application we will do with prototypes it will be more about quantity of speech or how long yeah how much someone speak but when we will go to final details yeah if i am talking and someone say yes yes yes from time to time it show that he is participating yeah and obviously it makes different that if someone is talking and one is replying never nor moving or nor having eyes open y yeah yes so i i will send you links some of the papers are long but you can just briefly look yeah okay go through them okay we can go and see olivier unless you want to talk about something else no i think i think we has already have plenty to read no i think does this work email i am done huh does it work if i put in my email and well we can try try but no if it is not i guess you would have to install it and so on we have yeah we have 0 c r but maybe not on this computer no no no you see i thought you can put in here your email address and and just do this and then it mails me yeah that is good idea yeah it is a good idea yeah you see i want too much and the application you are using all of them y every time you are using matlab or you are programming everything is based based on matlab yeah yeah yeah once i i coded the most expensive part in c just to see so you can have a mix of both from matlab you call c and back sure yes and after all matlab is also programming so it and you can code java but the day you want to do on line real time stuff nah i would not would not trust it you can choose matlab yes sure okay you have to code it directly to the machine so thank you for the information my sheet is very filled up i will take yours i am writing so only me can read it is a kind of secret language okay" ]

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[ "it is good it is good if you are if you are getting out okay yes so you were talking about the 21st questions yeah okay and a little bit about same people moving yeah with the clustering and this also allows you to separate people huh the questions i did not talk about was going from location to an identity of the person that is quite different you need to use the signal you have separated and do the type of analysis i mentioned from the spectrum you can transform the magnitude spectrum and build model of the person i will actually get the peach now yeah pitch at least do not know i ask me how it is done but i know the theory it is not enough sometimes you can perhaps just is the pitch and the frequency the base frequency it is a frequency yeah yeah it is a frequency of your vibration here there is one frequency that is the base for me yeah and then it is transformed through the mouth that is the usual model okay and if you have both you can well you can compare this to one store stored and so get out how much person it is on the beach and the what and the fruget and what things that make the sound and you can measure that yeah yeah it is not necessarily done explicitly but it is equivalent to that yeah so again fft is useful to do this type of analysis i am sorry i did not really get the point of comparing the pitch the pitch is the is a frequency that is yeah but it is quite personal okay and the way you transform it by the mouth yeah you were comparing what with what the holes in your head everything the nose and that is really unique for almost unique for every person and you were talking about comparing what with what well once you get this information your frequency and your vocal contract what is called you can use this information to compare it but you want to have the information because the mouse you move it it is the information equivalent to that it is maybe you do not need to do the whole complicated modeling to scan all the user to have the no no no no everything is done through the voice here you take a voice of someone and then you can get out this information it is not clear it is not perfect clear it is not perfect but it is enough to use it for different purposes and you have the pitch and you have information about the voice dynamic or yeah right of speech is also possibility okay how fast you speak that is quite personal also but it varies over time depending on emotion that also might be interesting for you detecting emotion emotion the involvement in the discussion yeah yeah if you are saying 0 yeah yeah yeah so these measures are a way to quantify that is it expensive to do not that well as far as i know no no it is not but in fact if you speak of a lot of things that are not expensive at the end you have something what is more expensive is to take the decision finally finally so your decision can be for example who is it or if the person moved which is probably the most complicated thing like the person goes away then comes back 10 minutes later sits at a different place you will need to build statistical models of the person identity using these measures so the one he mentioned i do not know if you are familiar with that is it called pcm well it is not technology it is more or less used this to compress audio i have to check it i can show it you afterwards so not really familiar well i did a course about it but i okay so you are the expert i should not say it too loud because the professor is working here at the video careful you are recounted okay i should read what i signed today so all this stuff is done from the fft yeah so we have to do fft because otherwise also location to identity all i was saying is that these different measures are a way to evaluate the identity of the person okay so with location all you can do is extract segments of speech for example but it will not tell you that these are the same person it is just a location but you get a cluster of the location that is a place where noise is regularly coming from yeah so that might be good for example for 10 minutes but then a person might move or a different person might come but for instance for a setting like here to be enough because we are not moving it is well unless sometimes somebody goes there okay right but we are targeting a place where we do not know it where it will be more flexible so yeah we need more than just location if we want to yes i am even not sure if it is that important to know which person is talking because if you think about about table as something physical yeah you just want to know in which cone of the table i agree maybe the beach is coming and not which person produces speech cell yes it is important for detecting patterns because if you say let us say how much the person have spoken over the 5 last minutes yeah but it is not really related to the ah yeah i see it is if someone come and but that you can do with location if it is only on the short term yes yes i think it may be okay but it depends on the off line yeah i would say you might use these measures in a simple way if you do it online like to give feedback but you mentioned that another side of your project is also to analyze offline so there you might want to use we had a student here he finished one or 2 years ago but he left his software and his software is precisely to do that to cluster at another level to cluster these small clusters of speech group them by person automatically from the location no from these measures pitch etc so so this is only based on the spectrum and yeah exactly so i would say from location at the lower level you can get small parts of speech and then at the next level possibly offline you can group them into speech segment i am hoping to have enough time to try doing that before i finish my thesis so if i manage to do some practically usable software i will tell you when are you planning to finish your in 56 months approximately but the last months are always done more extensible naturally more busy i would say so you said you want to do separation but maybe we would be more interested you know that it is not the same people more than knowing that it is the same people or to detect that someone is more that was not talking before talking before he is talking now okay i said we want to know to do separation just because of the voice recognition are you want to do voice this is not the you might want yes yes okay might want to do everything but in fact we are designing a no sensitive table just for mirroring but we are also designing a prototype to analyze the conversations so we might add a lot of features so yeah once you have locations it is not a big problem okay i do not know perhaps if you have 2 people speaking at the same time i do not know if voice recognition on the switch stream is a no no you should separate them 1st okay yeah yeah so that is why so the type of things i presented can lead to separation sure it is only a very small step to add yes it is not a very important feature for now but follow but yeah yeah although it might be if you want to extract these features like pitch and the rate of speech or energy simply from each person you might have to do some basic separation because quite often people do not realize but they talk at the same time interrupt each other so even if you do not want to recognize the speech fully at least you need to separate it yeah and the what what would i say i do not remember it is okay you can email later so yeah so okay yes also to extract the context yeah because if you know the words that are spoken you can let us say someone say he is angry about the word a semantic context yes yeah yeah then that are that are theirder directions it is not in my project but no but i think once you have to voice for a person you can yes i started to do this and the ones are people of speech requisitional professor dylan blur was interested to know when people were talking about him yeah so it is a someone is talking about me let us listen yeah you could detect one word yes keyword spotting and have a special event trigger if and lighting a lead on his office so okay so are you done with what you wanted to present it as yeah with these questions yeah i will just say if you want i can point to 3 papers sure but no i think it is better if i just send you the link the link sure it is probably simpler so 3 papers about one is about this sector based stuff like the localization and detection one is about how to take the decision that somebody is active or not it sounds simple that 1st you think you just put the threshold and that is it but the problem is no problem no you can do that for a problem problem but if you want your system to work in different conditions like cafeteria library the environment will be quite different so a single fixed result value might be a problem yes in fact for now we are using a kind of calibration but yeah it is still so you can do that automatically these kind of things yes i do not know if you are doing that already but yes but in fact you have to see it in front of the microphone and let us say people one speak and people 2 and people 3 and just subtracting the level that you kept in the other microphones so i have another paper which might be interesting for that for a single channel calibration and i have a code online okay so for this particular one the last one i would say is the clustering to yeah the clustering of the different locations over time so that you can get small clusters of speech there are other ways to do it but i think it is it is important because in spontaneous speech all these words are quite small so you need to do that adequately but otherwise yeah i am done okay just a last question when you mentioned it if i am speaking very do you see it yes i am just speaking one word every 12nd slowly the event that is detected is a will be a sum of small parts there will not be many small events basically yes you have to reprocess to say let us say yes yes there is a very small interval you have to consider it yeah basically i mean it depends because this is yes this is one this can be considered as one intervention yeah even if somebody says just yes i do not know if it is important for you or not it might be it might be right this is not very easy problem for the 1st application we will do with prototypes it will be more about quantity of speech or how long or much someone speaks but when we will go to finer details if i am talking on someone say yes yes yes from time to time it shows that he is participating and obviously it makes different that if someone is talking and one is replying never and no moving or no having a hi it is open yes so i will send you links some of the papers are long but you can just briefly look okay we can go and see olivier unless you want to talk about something else no i think i does this work email i think we already have plenty to it does it 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[ "yep soon as i get this okay this is our last meeting i will go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting and then we will have a the prototype presentation then we will do an evaluation or we will see what what we need to have under the criteria for the evaluation then we will go through the finance and see if we fall within the budget then we will do the evaluation and then we can finish up after that with any changes that we will need to make or hopefully everything will fall right in line let us see minutes from the last meeting we looked at the the trends we had the fashion trends that people want a fancy look and feel it was twice as important as anything else they liked fruit and vegetables in the new styles and a spongy feel so we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype they wanted limited buttons and simplicity then we looked at the the method for coming up with our own remote looking at other other devices the ipod we really liked the look of that we also had the kid is remote for a simple idea a 2 part remote which was what were were originally looking at and then there was talk of spee speech recognition becoming more predominant and easier to use but i think we have still decided not to go with that then we looked at the components the materials for the case the different energy sources the different types of chips and made a decision on what we were going to use to make our remote and basically how what were making for the prototype so i am going to leave it at that and let you guys take over the prototype discussion the prototype yeah do you need a this no okay can try to plug that in there but there is our remo the banana yeah basically we we saint went with the color yellow working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned it is basically designed around a banana but it would be held in such a fashion where it is obviously it would not be that floppy cause this would be hard plastic these would be like the rubber the rubber grips so that is so that would hopefully help with grip or like the ergonomics of it but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel you have to use your imagination a little bit and this here represents the screen where you where you would go through very nice and the the simplest functions would be almost identical to an ipod where that one way ch through channels that way th other way through channels volume up and down and then to access the more complicated functions you would you sorta go you press that and go through the menus it is that that simple that just represents the infrared beam that is a simple on and off switch i do not know we could use the voice t that blue bits should be yellow d that that would be where the batteries would be i suppose and that is about it it is as simple as you we could make it really is there anything you want to add right that is what we have there that is plastic plastic covered with rubber we might add some more underneath here maybe give it give it a form i mean you are supposed to hold it like that but just if you grab it take it from somewhere so yeah you have some rub yeah yeah does not make much make much difference you could work left handed or right handed i suppose exactly use both might as well think about t the actual thing might be smaller th think about the button as well yeah like either put either 11 on either side or what but what is that button not do it at all just the on and off it is a quick on off button kay that is yeah i think it is pretty important so you do not have to fiddle with that kay right that is not i would say a bit smaller would probably be nice yeah you want to play with that over there there you go it is you know it is flimsy cause it is made out of heavy play doh but would you like to right pretty impressive well done kind of a banana and whether or not it would fall into the cost everything i suppose with the scroll and the l c d well luckily we are going to find out or not luckily i do do you have a marketing presentation for us okay you guys are going to help me do an evaluation of the criteria okay so 1st i will just discuss some of the criteria that i found just based on the past trend reports that i was looking at earlier and then we will do a group evaluation of the prototype and then we will calculate the average score to see how we did so the criteria we are going to be looking at are the complaints that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier so we are going to be doing it based on a 7 point scale and one is going to mean true that we did actually achieve that with 7 being false we did not achieve that okay so for the 1st one we need to decide did we solved the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote i think it is definitely different than anything else out there yeah so if they think that what is out there is ugly then yes i would say i would say most definitely i would it is bright it is bright it is it still has your traditional black it is curved it is not there is no sharp angles to it yep not angular i would say when it comes to the ergonomics the form and stuff yes that is definitely more beautiful than your average however the color we do not have a say in that yeah i think the colors detract a little bit some people might say it that has been that has been dictated pretty much by the company yeah so to answer that honestly i would rather say like that is true yep we have not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the color is ugly definitely yeah yeah is nothing you can say about that i mean i much prefer something like brushed chrome with that form yeah but yeah something more modern to go a a modern color to go with the modern form right right it is different you do not want your 3 feet huge l c d dis display in your living room that is hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that okay so do you think since we this was a a sign criteria do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then does that sound good yeah yeah yeah what do you think 3 4 i would say 5 4 4 is fair yeah okay very non committal 4 okay the 2nd one did we make it simple for new users it is very intuitive i think yeah yeah i think that was the main aim one of the main aims that we had s give it a one one kay yeah okay do the controls now match the operating behavior of the users yeah i would say that cause we have we have brought it down to basically 4 controls most common which are channel and volume right and then the other ones are just a matter of just going just scrolling further s scrolling through and selecting a few yeah right so one so that is a one yeah i think that is a one okay okay the 4th one how about the problem of a remote being easily lost one of the number one complaints something that big and that yellow you just do not lose anymore yeah whether you want to or not you are not going to lose it it is bright yellow bright yellow is hard to lose but if we were to if we were that the speech recognition that we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing that was what we would we would mentioned so if we incorporate speech recognition into it then it could just just to use to find it when it was lost but like i said like i do not think you would lose something so yellow so easily oops and it is not going to fall like a rectangle would slip down behind things that is going to be a difficult shape to well what and it is quite bright and yeah maybe in the middle again 3 or 4 or something s okay i mean you know loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose i mean a 1000000 ways yeah you can pick it up and walk away with it and then you have lost it that is true but if we do go with the with the speech recognition then it then our scale goes up quite a bit i think 0 yeah yeah you probably probably 2 you know if we eliminate the fact that you know it is impossible to guarantee that it is not going to be lost then yeah i would say 2 with the speech recognition which of course may be changed depending on budget yeah y you could add an extra feature actually which makes this thing raise hell when you remove it too far from the television yeah we could add that but that is nothing we have thought of so far which which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it were just a yes yeah true but i mean d just those whistling clapping key rings you have annoying alarm or something yeah it is it is they are cheap so it can not be that the it is based on this anti anti theft technology for suitcases and stuff where you have one piece that is attached to your luggage another piece that starts beeping expensive some sort of proximity yeah that can not cost much yeah so that can also easily be integrated because these things are small enough to to hide so you have one piece you have to glue somewhere behind your stick it behind your t v and the other stick it on the t v pray that you do not accidentally lose that piece right that would be tough then well also your remote would alarm you if somebody stole you t your television yeah ran off with it without taking the beautiful remote control yeah so are we adding one of these 2 features let us add one of those features and say yes going to say okay okay so we are back to a one or a 2 2 2 2 kay 2 okay are we technologically innovative i would say so do not get many mo remote controls with it is all just screens on it is all just stolen technology when it comes down to right right right right yeah it is stolen technology from ipod yeah it is but we have but there is not a lot of yellow there is not a lotta yellow but for remotes yeah course that was not really we were kinda forced to take that color fa 2 3 cause it is stolen i do not know that we are that innovative to tell you the truth no maybe not yeah not really but how many remotes do you see like this not so many if we added the screaming factor then we go up right i would say we are probably at 4 really okay that is going to hurt us okay spongy material yeah well you have that kind of sort of we have some spongy yeah yeah as much as as needed i think kay it is not a one though no one would be the whole thing yeah because it is only got what these parts are the grips and perhaps the back side the bottom the underneath on the back to fold and stuff yeah yeah so that is a 4 at most probably a 4 at most and lastly did we put the fashion in electronics possibly even a 5 y yes i would say we did yeah if your fashion is b is carmen miranda you betcha more yeah well the recent fashion is rather displayed in the in the l c d and the way you operate it than the form and the color but it definitely is on the it is true yeah be what we were told and they would say yeah definitely kay alright now we just got to calculate 681216 17 divided by s 7 is 8 2 point 24 is that some long division no well i have not done math in years something what 2 i dunno just i am sure there is a okay we will say 242 right how does that look i am impressed i can not do that without a calculator it has been a while no i can not do long very impressive and what what is the acceptable criteria is there like a scale that we have to hit 0 no they just told me to pick my own criteria and have you guys evaluate it basically alright then so that is that okay well let us see now we get to do the budget numbers you did not know that you were going to have a budget but we do okay yeah yeah so you had been going a long time dividing that it is 24285 se it just keeps going on 0 my god okay 242 basically yeah we will go with that 50% you are kidding not too shabby so i have here an yeah p we want a 50% profit on this 0 you can not really see that very well charge about 300 quid for it €125 is what supposed to cost us okay so it is too much well let us see the f the wonder if i can make this what the 0 it will not let me do that okay alright so at top i do not know if you guys can read that or not i can not cause i do not have my glasses on but so we have got the energy source there is 456 categories battery we have energy source electronics case then we have case material supplements interface type and then button supplements okay so 1st of all energy source we picked battery and how many batteries do we think this will probably take probably some e either 2 or 4 2 2 like it at 4 it is going to be too heavy so that that is not our problem people can change it every month excellent they will not know until after they bought it this is consumerism alright so for the electronics our choices are simpl simple chip on print regular chip on print advanced chip on print sample sensor sample speaker we are advanced chip are we that is the advanced chip on print yeah kay we have one of those kay then the case is a probably it is double curved double curved yes case materials are plastic plastic i guess it is 2 since one for the top one for the bottom n no is that right or is it just one no that is just one maybe it is one because of the it is just one mo single mold we can do that kay yeah yeah right i guess it does not matter cause the price on that one is 0 which is nice exactly right 0 special color that is not a special color bright yellow it is a specially ugly color but it is not special interface type we have pushbutton scroll wheel interface integrated scroll wheel pushbutton and an l c d display s s that is yeah so we actually have the l c d display and then and then is it the integrated or is it i would say the integrated yes unfortunately yeah kay button supplement special color special form special material we could of course make the buttons wood say mahogany or so it would look really lovely or titanium or titanium yeah they cost us all the same remote control just well we only have one button so really we should not be charged we should not be charged anything for the the button supplements no that is getting a bit tiny yeah i would ignore that leave it blank okay we are going to leave that one blank because we run on a l c d and scroll so our total is 155 which i believe is yeah that is too much by €3 over it is hard to believe so we will go for the hand dynamo huh so the only thing better than a banana shaped remote is one that you shake if it w what if we completely took out the the one single button we have got on and just had a scroll wheel interface and the l c d display i suppose the l c d c display is the one that is pushing it up a bit though yeah cause the well cause we have to have both right yeah i mean let us let us face it it also depends on the software on the on the television yeah you can have the the information that this thing transmits be being displayed on the on the screen so s yeah let us take away the yeah you could maybe take out the l c d dis display even if it if it comes up on the computer itsel on the t v itself yeah yeah right so we may not need the l c d display that is possible yeah right we may not need it there you go well there we go perfect there we go perfect 125 okay so we just remove our screen screen here make it a bigger dial easier to use even easier to use then okay the besides look at what the l c d does to our lovely remote back to the design room boys so we can just take away a heck of a lot of the there you go central what is the blue part that was just we ran out of yellow 0 that is the batteries 0 that is just yeah okay there you go there you go oops even simpler looks more like a banana yeah for all those fruit lovers out there there you go one more criteria okay so the costs under €125 was no we redesigned it yeah now it is yes next slide project evaluation project process satisfaction with for example room for creativity leadership teamwork means new ideas found so i guess that let us see here i think that perhaps the project evaluation is just supposed to be completed by me but i would like to hear your thoughts fair enough trying to fill in some time there h what did you think of our project process i think we did yeah i think we did quite well great yeah good good teamwork just half a day you have a remote yeah there you go right from the start of the day yeah i think we sort of knew where we were going straight away i thought we saint we started off a little little weak our leadership was quite weak in the beginning but as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing room for creativity there was that i think we tried a lotta different things and i think it was interesting as you guys brought up more information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things you guys worked together well as a team and the means which was the whiteboard and the pens yeah we have used the whiteboard super super i had some problem with the pen i think but minus your p minus your powerpoint fiasco well that is not my fault that is obviously the people i work for that work for me they have just you know no i know i am yeah well incom heads are going to roll believe me have a we have a list of employees that you would like fired yes yes okay n new ideas found kinda yes for the remote maybe no not f for technology used technology alright closing costs are within the budget project is evaluated complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary that is it excellent and i still have to do my minutes for the last meeting actually so there will probably be another questionnaire coming up we might have a while though and then we will have to check with the main boss whether we can what goes on after that but that is the end of our meeting" ]

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[ "yep as soon as i am as i okay this is our last meeting i will go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting and then we will have a prototype presentation then we will do an evaluation or we will see what we need to have under the criteria for the evaluation then we will go through the finance and see if we see if we fall within the budget then we will do the evaluation and then we can finish up after that with any changes that we will need to make or hopefully everything will fall right in line see minutes from the last meeting we looked at the trends we had the fashion trends that people want a fancy look and feel it was twice as important as anything else they liked fruit and vegetables in the new styles and a spongy feel so we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype they wanted limited buttons and simplicity then we looked at the method for coming up with our own remote looking at other other devices the ipod we really liked the look at that we also had the kids remote for a simple idea a 2 part remote which was what we were originally looking at and then there was talk of speech recognition becoming more predominant and easier to use i think we still decided not to go with that then we looked at the components the materials for the case the different energy sources the different types of chips and made a decision on what we were going to use to make our remote and basically how what we were making for the prototype so i am going to leave it at that and let you guys take over the prototype the discussion prototype yeah do you need this no there is our i will plug that in there but i will have the banana yeah basically we went with the color yellow working on the principle of a fruit which was mentioned it is basically designed around a banana but it would be held in such a fashion whereas obviously it would not be that floppy because this would be hard plastic these would be like the rubber the rubber grips so that is how helpful we will grip how like the ergonomics of it but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel to use your imagination a little bit and this here represents the screen where you would go through and the simplest functions would be almost identical to an ipod where that one way through channels that way through channels volume up and down and then to access the more complicated functions you press that and go through the menus that is that simple that just represents the infrared beam that is a simple on on off switch i do not know we could use the voice that blue bits should be yellow that would be where the batteries would be i suppose and that is about it it is as simple as we can make it really is anything you are going to add that is what we have there that is plastic plastic covered with rubber we might add some more underneath here maybe give it a form i mean you are supposed to hold it like that but just if you grab it yeah it does not make it as different you work left handed all that i suppose exactly might as well the actual thing might be smaller think about the button yeah yeah put either one put on either side what is that button not do it at all just a quick on off button it is yeah i think it is pretty important so you do not have to fit over that okay that is not i would say a bit smaller would probably be nice yeah you are going to play with that over there there you go it is flimsy because it is made out of heavy fight out do you like to do that that impressive well done kind of a banana whether or not it would fall to the cost of the scrawl and the lcd well luckily we are going to find out or not luckily do you have a marketing presentation for us okay you guys are going to help me do an evaluation of the criteria okay so 1st i will just discuss some of the criteria that i found just based on the past trend reports that i was looking at earlier and then we will do a group evaluation of the prototype and then we will calculate the average score to see how we did so the criteria we are going to be looking at are the complaints that we heard from the users who were interviewed earlier so we are going to be doing it based on a 7 point scale and one is going to mean true that we did actually achieve that with 7 being false we did not achieve that okay so for the 1st one we need to decide did we solve the problem of the users who complained about an ugly remote i think it is definitely different than anything else out there so if they think that what is out there is ugly then yes i would say most definitely it is bright it is bright it still has your traditional black it is curved there is no sharp angles to it yep not angular i would say when it comes to the ergonomics the form and stuff yes that is definitely more beautiful than your average however the color we do not have to say in that some people might say yeah that has been dictated pretty much by the company so to answer that honestly i would rather say like we have not solved the problem completely yeah and be remote because the color is ugly definitely there is nothing you can say about that i mean i much prefer something like brushed chrome yeah with that form yeah something more modern to go right a modern color to go with the modern form right it is different you do not want your 3 feet huge lcd display in your living room that is hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that okay so do you think since we this was not assigned criteria do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle of them yeah is that something good yeah yeah what do you think 34 i would say 4 4 is fair okay very non committal 4 okay the 2nd one did we make it simple for new users it is very intuitive i think yeah yeah i see that was the main name the main names that we had do we have one one yeah okay okay do the controls now match the operating behavior of the users yeah because we have brought it down to basically 4 controls with the most common channel and volume and then the other one is just a matter of just going just scrolling further scrolling through and select a few so that is a one yeah i think that is a one okay okay the 4th one how about the problem of a remote being easily lost one of the number one something that big and that yellow you just do not it is bright yellow brat yellow but if we were to if we were that speech recognition we could maybe just use that solely for the finding thing that was what we mentioned so if we incorporate speech recognition into it then just to use to find it when it was lost but like i said like i do not you lose something so yellow so easily and it is not going to fall like a rectangle slip down behind things that is going to be a difficult shade to it is quite bright yeah maybe in the middle again 3 or 4 something okay i mean losing things is one of those things that people can lose yeah i mean a 1000000 ways you can pick it up and walk away with it and then you have lost it but if we do go with the speech recognition then our scale goes up quite a bit 0 yeah probably 2 if we eliminate the fact that you know it is impossible to guarantee that it is not going to be lost then i would say 2 with the speech recognition which of course may be changed depending on budget yeah you could add an extra feature actually which makes this thing raise hell when you remove it too far from the television yeah we could add that but that is nothing we have thought of which may be cheaper than speech recognition if it would just stay yeah true i mean just as whistling clapping keeping if you have that shape so it can not be not it is based on this anti thathous technology suitcases and stuff where you have one piece that is attached to your luggage another piece that starts beeping that can not cost much yeah so that can also easily be integrated because these things are small enough to hide so you have one piece you have to glue somewhere behind your tv and the other pray that you do not accidentally lose that piece right that would be tough well also your remote would alarm you if somebody stole your television i ran off with that without taking the beautiful remote control yeah so are we adding one of these 2 features let us add one of those features and say yes okay so we are back to a one or 2 2 2 okay are we technologically innovative do not get my name up it is all just no controls with it is all just stolen technology yeah ipod but there is not a lot of yellow there is not a lot of yellow of course that was not really you are kind of forced to take that color 2 3 i do not know that we are that innovative to tell you the truth but how many remotes do you see like this if we added the screaming factor then we go up i would say we are probably up 4 really it is going to hurt us okay spongy material yeah we do have that we have some spongy material yeah it is maybe okay it is not a one though one would be the whole thing yeah because it is only got to fold and stuff what these parts of the grips and perhaps the back side the bottom the underneath on the back so that is a 4 at most lastly did we put the fashion in electronics yes your fashion is carmen miranda you betcha well the recent fashion is rather displayed in the lcd and the way you operated form on the color but it definitely is what we were told let us say yeah definitely all right now i just got to calculate 6 and 127 divided us 6 about it 7 is 2 point it is like 24 well i have not done math in you what i do not know i am showing us it out right now okay we will say 24 too right how does that work i am impressed i can not do that without a calculator it has been a while and what is the acceptable criteria is there like a scale that we have to hit 0 no it just told me to pick my own criteria and have you guys evaluate it basically all right then so that is that okay well let us well let us see now we get to do the budget numbers you did not know that you were going to have a budget but we do okay so it has been going a long time it is 2442 right i said it just keeps going on 24 to you guys yeah we will go on that so i have here 50% 50% you are kidding yeah we want a 50% profit on this you can not really see that very well i will talk about $1000 to quit for you €125 is what supposed to cost us okay so it is too much well let us see the the like this okay all right all right so at top i do not know if you guys can read that or not i can not sit on my glasses on so we have got the energy source there is 456 categories we have energy source electronics case then we have case material supplements interface type and then button supplements so 1st of all energy source we picked battery and how many batteries do we think this will probably take probably some either 2 or 4 2 2 i like it before it is going to be too heavy so that is not our problem people can change it every month they will not know once they bought it this is consumerism all right so for the electronics our choices are simple chip on print regular chip on print advanced chip on print sample sensor sample speaker advanced chip probably that is the advanced chip on print yeah we have one of those okay then the case is a probably it is double curved yes case materials are plastic plastic plastic i guess it is 2 since one for the top one for the bottom is that right or is it just one no maybe it is one because of the it is just one single one one single mold we can do that okay yeah yeah i guess it does not matter because the price on that one is 0 which is nice right special color that is not a special color it is a specially ugly color but it is not special interface type we have push button scroll wheel interface integrated scroll wheel push button and an lcd display yeah so we actually have the lcd display and then is it the integrated or outside the integrated yes yeah okay button supplements special color special form special material we could of course make the buttons wood same mahogany or so would it look really lovely or titanium it costs us all the same well we only have one button so really we should not be charge we should not be charged anything for the button supplements yeah i did not know okay we are going to leave that one blank because we run on an lcd and scroll so our total is 155 which i believe is by €3 over it is hard to believe so we go for the hand dynamo so the only thing better than a banana shaped remote is one that you shake what if we completely took out the one single button we have got on and just had a scroll wheel interface and the lcd display i suppose the lcd display is a one that is putting it up a bit down yeah because we have to have both right yeah i mean let us face it it also depends on the software on the television you can have the information that this thing can be displayed on the screen yeah you could maybe take out the lcd right even if it comes up on the computer itself on the tv itself so we may not need the lcd display not as possible here right we may not need it there you go there we go there we go 125 okay so we just remove our screen screen here make it a bigger dial easy to use even easy to use huh yeah besides look at what the lsa does to our lovely remote okay back to the design room boys so we can just take weight there you go what is the blue part that was just we got out of yellow there you go there you go even simpler looks more like a banana yeah those few lovers out there okay so costs under $125 no we redesigned it now it is yes next slide project evaluation project process satisfaction with for example room for creativity leadership teamwork means new ideas found so i guess that i think that perhaps the project evaluation is just supposed to be complete by me but i would like to hear your thoughts i kind of fill in some time there what did you think of our project process yeah i think we do not quite well yeah right from the start of the day right from the start of the day yeah we sort of knew where we were going straight away i thought we started off a little little week our leadership was quite weak in the beginning but as the day went along we had more idea of what we were doing room for creativity there was that i think we tried a lot of different things and i think it was interesting as you guys brought up more information and studies that we were right on with a lot of those things you guys worked together well as a team and the means which was the the whiteboard and the pens i had some problem with the pen i think mine is your powerpoint yes well that is not my fault no i know people i work for income you have a list of employees that you would like fired yes yes okay new ideas found yes for the remote maybe no not for or technology closing cost are within the budget project is evaluated complete final questionnaire and meeting someone that is it excellent i still have to do my minutes for the last meeting actually so there will probably be another questionnaire coming up and then we will have to check with the main boss whether we can what goes on after that but that is the end of our meeting thank you" ]

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want it okay that is just super i have no i still do not have any finance information but at least we have a lot more to go on now let me just okay fine that is too bad you need to start it up 1st yeah i have to start our okay kay okay go again well 2nd phase conceptual design it is fine everybody knows what we are talking about so take you past the minutes of last meeting again yep again you get your 3 presentate to see what you came up with so too bad we do not have any finance information apparently so that is too bad so then we will just have to d have to go on you know the information that we have to make the make final decisions on on a conceptual design so here we go anyway last w last w what discussed last time you all remember that that we have to keep the electronics size in mind same goes for you we have to have an easy design with big buttons which are durable and there are people actually spen willing to spend money to do to get more features and among those features l c d screen and voice recognition are very popular so we have to make a move on that area i guess s especially s when when the new component is applicable in our product we will be fine anyways well teletext was not important and that is what i took and the consumer yeah we aim for young consumers so that is fine and well actually we yeah we did need some more data on finances but w yeah we still do not have that apparently huh that is too bad yeah we need to im de we are going to implement the beep and the flash thing to recover your remote so one of these interchangeable covers apparently which will make it a more fashionable product so anyway guess we will have to do this after the after the you give your presentations so i will just close this one now and let us let us see okay what t i bet we have a lot to tell you had a lot to go on so how about you go 1st yep that is right okay yeah 0 okay let us see where my presentation is okay this i mentioned before every feature for our remote control needs to have their own operating electronic devices we need to take care of that then warning there has to be a chip in our remote control and the chip requirements needed for a normal button is just a simple chip scroll wheel and l c d is an advanced of course this is more expensive than this so we have to decide on that in a minute okay the available components for energy are we have a basic battery a hand an dynamo like in old torches we have a kin kinetic provision then you have to shake the remote control to get the energy and we have solar cells i suggest that we decide on that one immediately then i have all lists so my personal fav favorite is the kinetic provision because i ha does it provide enough energy i think so yes also if if we were choose the the l c d option would it give enough energy okay that is the just assume it takes yes yes because i had the information you take the remote control you pick it up at least 2 times a day so then it is already shaken and gives energy well i am not sure if it is shaken enough because is that enough because i do not really see people shaking their remote control before using it or no i do not think so because watches can go on kinetic energy because they move all the time think but i am sure t i mean remotes lie still i think like 99% of the time so i do not think that is a really good the other alternative were solar cells i do not think that is applicable because other options are solar cells hand dynamo and basic battery no i thin why why should not we take a basic battery and what does the hand dynamo 0 sorry yeah a rechargeable maybe only basic battery okay but i think this is not a r why not re rechargeable basi i mean everybody everybody knows how to use that it is it is common so and it is available everywhere yeah so why sh i think better yeah but i think this rules out our unit our rechargeable unit yeah this is really a really basic battery a normal battery yeah but it is yeah it was not it was not in the options a rechargeable m module actually 0 huh okay that is okay okay yeah b you c of course you could place re re chargeable batteries yep basic but that is up to the consumer himself so okay but then we do not offer a re chargement function that is what it says well it is not in the list so we cannot choose from it so exactly alright okay will just take regular batteries right yep okay next one is curving we can make a model that has one curve 2 or 3 and th the shape curves being of course the more curves the more expensive okay of the remote control itself okay exactly but yes but it dep i was thinking along the line of one curve i will show that in my design but okay we will get back on that later so we will get back to that yeah just i think one curve is fine yeah but what were the implications if you if put more curves it it is gets more expensive depends on the user more expensive okay so i think with with the extras that we had there it is 2 curves i suppose more difficult to make exactly okay and i believe even that the r the number of options we have on putting things in it goes down with exactly also decreases okay material i have to offer a plastic rubber wood or titanium if we choose plastic we cannot choose solar cells for energy if we choose titanium we cannot use more than one curve okay but we do not have that so fast more than one curve yeah okay okay i t i would go for plastic because i have a couple of curves in my design we will just go cause it yeah i am not sure yeah well g let us just get back to that we will discuss that later okay we have so i think we can rule out i am not sure we can rule anything out yeah okay we will do that when y when you get your design no but i think wood is not an option either no wood is not an option no wood i wood is not an option no well it it is stylish but we can yeah but you can change your covers anyway okay no okay my personal thought was rubber because i had an email i believe it was from you f against falling yeah is it keep in mind that it it is it is it fal remote controls fall a lot on the ground so you do not want it to break so either have rubber edges or a rubber remote control is very durable okay but continue yeah but it does not have to be unbreakable because we do need to keep selling these thing no do not have to be un breakable it is p it is a it is not supposed to ju yeah break after one use okay well that that is definitely true yeah i mean it they they fall a lot so i think we have to decide on this anyway because if we make removeable covers it has to be one of those mat materials we have no more than this so because it well ru will rubber actually protect the remote control itself because it well you have for if you if for example if you take hard plastic if it falls it might crack and rubber kind of softens the fall yeah but then you buy a new cover but rubber i am not sure if it is the it is the entire cover you change it is could be are are we focussi focussing on on the you know what th we are focusing very much on the covers now i think it is just w now we are going for the basic design but if we want to expand our options f be fashionable then we can get changeable covers but i think the basic thing let us just rule out wood for now and continue but okay not that but are we focussing on the younger people or the elder people we are definitely focussing on the younger people cause that was our main goal younger okay yeah that is okay nah that is alright then i proceed but i need to know after this meeting so interface i have 4 things to offer pu normal push buttons of course okay okay we will okay we have a lot of expertise on that one we have a large history our company on push buttons scroll wheels those can be pushed as well although that is more expensive liquid crystal color display and what is this okay and if we use rubber i already mentioned that we can only use rubber buttons so rubber can only match with rubber which one of those are we going to use push buttons that is b i think basic evident yeah 0 of course we are going to use but i did not i did not go on the thought of a scroll wheel actually yeah of cour huh but i am still deciding on what what what could you use it for no maybe for volume control i think the channels channel i think that would be annoying because it might accidentally scroll onto another channel 0 yeah i think a push button for channel would be better i mean it for volume control it is it is a smoother motion you can just increase or decrease huh huh but not sure yeah but there is a is it really necessary cause a normal push button can do that job for channels will be good but i do not think so i have not i have not taken it into consideration huh 0 but th the younger people my investigation turns out that the younger people want a little bit material that that is spongy and ah so but it looks cool i do not think we really need one no 0 ah flashy and yeah i think would be cool scroll wheel so it is not that much if we take a normal scroll wheel without the pushing then it is not expensive a sc we can do that but why do we need it yeah but why would we use it think ah we do not need it but it is it is design a design thing yeah if we do not need it why put it in your why put it in your in your if it is if it is not something people are looking for or is useful yeah you get no i think they are looking for that of course we have a young target group are they so they might find that attractive in a remote con scroll wheel yeah but if it is if it is not useful i do not think it i do not think it gives an extra function to the remote i do not know yeah that is it anyway okay so push buttons we will use l c d screen perhaps i have t i have 2 different is that s what you what what would you get on the l c d screen yeah is it expensive does it i only know that if we are using that we need ano an advanced chip in it and that is more expensive and how much more expensive is that i have no idea or i have no absolute numbers okay no absolute numbers but it is just more expensive and takes more room i suppose in your in your design i only have yeah but i do not think room is really an issue do not think it is an issue okay 0 let us go for let us say because it is very hot in n our target group i think we should take it take it t to consideration to build an l c d screen in it i have 2 designs one including an l c d screen wh which is basically the deluxe edition for the future okay yeah and then i also have a standard edition which wi we can also choose to develop too which basically has the same functionality but lacks the l c d screen yep exactly okay but we will we will pick a we will pick from we will just combine everything later okay electronics the 1st one is the chip that is no longer an option it has to be an advanced one now cause we have the l c d screen yep then we have an infrared sender i think that is basic we cannot do without basically it yep otherwise it is not s a remote control and we have the sample sensor and speaker the voice recognition thing are we going to do that or not once again i was would ask you if it is expensive but apparently you do not have any data 0 i got i only have relative information so well what d what was exact what you got on the on the new component i got an email that it is relatively small that is small so we can implement it yes let me just so why why if it is small and we can imp why should not we get back 0 how did you and there is get your mar marketing report that goes also for the scroll wheel by the way what was the last number of how many people were interested in voice recognition although it is hard for different countries of course the most of them but you have to program it yourself i suppose with your own voice more than 60% more than 60% of the people would like voice recognition yeah mean of 70% i think i am i have to look it up if it is small if it is fits if if people like it why not yeah but do not we have any w information about scroll wheel so scroll wheel if people would like that no no only that is strange because that is the same story it is it is not necessary like an l c d but it is just it adds something to the design ah i do not know yeah but we got some data on people that actually are int are interested in that and i do not think a scroll wheel offers new functionality on the most spee whereas speech recognition and l c d screen do offer new functionality in your product no but 0 that is r but i think we now already have to implement an advanced chip i think so because if i think we are specially w if you are going maybe if you have the 2 editions you want to want to give out so it is m yeah for the future probably you have one with with speech recognition and well they b they basically can have speech recognition i mainly focused on the l c d aspect yeah hold on a minute were were you we are finished or no but that is that is okay 0 because if there is something that cause you wanted to see them right there is still time cause have did you have all the materials or everything that you desc yes this was the last m s i have a clear picture okay so just just go for design for now just m have a seat for a 2nd we will combine everything after this so this is basically the deluxe edition why is it s why is it squared i j why is it square why did you pick square or not square but why is it yeah sharp corners it cause it is designy it is basically it has some futuristic potentially yeah yeah i do not really know but i just thought that in normal remote controls you have like smooth curves and this and that people looks like a star trek phaser and this is something new this is something different something fresh it is true and basically what you can see here is that it has a little yeah let us say gap which you can put your finger in ri yeah or okay so just yeah you can rest it on your finger so only r right handed so you can you can hold it really comfortable that is basically the idea okay but it but it is only right handed then not for the left or left hand no it just it is a curve inside a thing or i does not really matter so as you can see this is the remote control where wher it is on the back 0 in the back okay you can not really see it that well but this is the l c d screen 0 yeah yeah okay so just imagine it goes that way yeah i think it is okay 0 yeah yeah then you can see you can hold it in your left or in your right hand okay yeah yeah yeah and i also made a quick image cause i did not have that much time yeah i thought it of the standard edition which has basically the keys are pretty much the same keys are probably the n the number keys i suppose yeah i had to do this really fast so excuse me for the inconvenience here but as you can see the keys moved okay well you can work on the actual concept or actual design later with him yeah so these are basically the 2 types we have but so if we were to select the l c d screen the transmitter here you can see the light i well i think what you have to keep in mind is that you are moving the the the number keys from the top in the the simple design you have them at a top and the complex design you have them at the bottom so it would that would give us a totally different design so which actually making a whole different product instead of 2 different models i think it would be very expensive to produce 2 whole different products well we can shift that so but normally as you can see there we put the number buttons right on top whereas because we had the l c d screen here we had to move them downward so what you could say is that yeah or for example why did you pick the the numbers all the way below and the and the channels and volume control because these are basically the functions you use the most well it it is yeah so if you hold it in your hand like this you put your finger in the gap this is the m most easy part okay bit i agree for zapping cau because people are zapping most of the time that is fine yeah that is fine just as long as you tak took it into consideration what people would prefer okay if you all agree i am fine with it but yeah okay so that is pretty much ha which i had in mind as you can see here this can be spaced for extra keys which is the design thingys okay no it maybe it is better to look what the people want yeah i think we will so i can show my investigation i think we are going towards the deluxe edition anyway because that seems to be what the people want yeah maybe it is better but let us see what is what they want now yeah especially for young people where is that where is th that is mine 0 no you should send it to the f to the folder 1st yeah i forgot that okay let us just assume we go to 41 okay now it must be there yeah here it is 0 yeah okay the investigation turns out that the most appear people want look and feel likes is the s the same as before but it must be w a little bit fancier than the the look of it the 2nd important thing is the it must be technol technological innova vative so that is the l c d screen is perfect i think and not speech recognition yeah tha that is very important and a 3rd thing is yeah it is should be easy to use so not not too much bu buttons and channel selection i think that is what you showed is perfect and what the pe young people want is in paris and and in milan it showed out that the fruit and vegetables are are trendy th they you s you see it in the clothes and everything and the contrast of it it must the the buttons must a little bit spongy material so rubber i think th that is the best no then rubber would be the best as a material indeed yeah i agree no i think so so we are we were focussing on the younger people if that is the okay agreement okay so the elder yeah they wanted a little bit of wood in it and that is th that is not important now okay so we are definitely going for rubber it could be a c it could be a cover yeah but it is not yeah but our focus is the young audience let us just go so let us stick to that yeah huh cause n i i i i thought it makes a young classic remote with nah i think we are in this case you are losing the the focus on the young group because we are that is what we are focussing on yeah that is why i i d so i think the spongy feel gives us rubber decided with a fruit yeah w th apparently cover ov or something like that yeah apparently yeah maybe also yeah i tend to disagree with with with a sharp form i suppose it basi if you are saying fruits and vegetables maybe it is supposed to be a little little more round yeah in in form of an vegetable or an fruit maybe yeah for exa maybe like like a pear or something yeah but that is just more a se a seasonal a trend thing and 0 where is your that is true that is what we are doing the idea now is is is that you can put a cover on it for example with fruit like a shape or whatever a trendy i think shape is is important because they s they really extend but not cause a n next year it will it will be something completely different here he here you can put a 0 that is true and then you have your apple shaped remote control which is not trendy anymore so i think that is more something you can focus yeah but now you have your your like your star trek phaser thing shaped control so i i th the edges are really really sharp well you can s maybe it i am not su what you can do is smooth the edges indeed but that will bring extra c expenses or maybe just make it make it up into into a low a smooth curve instead of just less sharp twist on the outside but yeah all veg fruit and vegetables are round so it is better i think i think there needs to be a little i think it is too too sharp the edges are too sharp the bottom is fine of course if it is square yeah but maybe just th make the top a little round it off on the sides so i mean y but i think according to my information this would be 2 curves that would be 2 curves 2 we have one left and one right and that disables what was it again but it it is some it is something that we cannot do then one cur you could also make the curve go through of course but that would make make the top round well we have got we have got like one curve here okay that is not a problem for the gap that is only for the titanium we do not have but it is that that is for the comfort and we could have one here it is it is not for the trendy thing of it no no no no no what i am just cause you mentioned that more curves the more expensive so i am just taking that into account yeah yes okay yeah but let us see titanium would give us only one curve then w yeah but we do not have that so but we are not d we are not using titanium so we have so the no we have no well we picked rubber right right we did so but they we m so basically what we can do is m make these edges a little bit less sharp just doodle something on the board on the left form but the problem then is that it will start to resemble m the remote controls as we have them today we were looking at something fresh something trendy well actually we are setting ourselves apart from by technology alone actually so that let us see what you are doing they th these wha are what they call the curves this side this side this is how they count 0 okay okay i do not think like that not not really the curves on the on the side of the remote no no this is what they what they mean okay so that is basically silly okay that is not really a good okay now i of course now i understand why they have more like why the curves decrease the the the size the electronics that can be inside so okay i do not think the outside would be called as a curve really yeah it is like this i think it is for all the basic well looking from the side anyway well if you see what i have to come up with some designs fast anyway so but you can make if you want to use a fruit in in okay but is not the f the fruit like a cover thing because we well you should not focus on the mostly on the covers because lot of things we came up with hey you should not be too really too much should not be too focussed on the covers because it is kind of an idea of our own you can make it like no but like this but we are not sure if we can actually make that but if we put that directly into the design we limit ourselves extremely because it that is just for one seasonal trend that is the one thing i am also afraid of with this one because it the edges are really they might stick out on the on the side for example well 0 as a example but if you have a basic design a little m a little smaller on the on the s on the edges i d you could put more covers on it y 11 with square or sharp corners if you want to okay so that is well that is probabl so m just round it off a little i guess because so we have more options i suppose you would just like it to go a little bit more like this i think so because it looks leaner and we should just go with that okay anyway you have all the time in the world to make to make the final design in a minute with him so so we decided on what what did you guys want to know again because this is anyway i will fire up my thing so so we come to a decision did you present e everything you wanted to yep okay so i can qui 0 what the i can quickly make a conclusion of what we have decided so far we still need to decide on a couple of things you you needed to know ah yeah okay anyway energy we choose regular regular batteries yeah the chip is advanced because we have the advanced features the case it will be the material will be rubber suppose would not the b the design we talked about user interface type well i think we took all the components separately what we want let us see supplements i am not sure what they mean by that anyway apparently you guys you should work together on the final design both on internal and external design so yeah you should you should probably find out how the product will fall into the market how what is going to happen with the final design as we have it now yeah so yeah of course you have got your specific instruction as usual yeah so want to spend some more i think we are in a pretty much in agreement actually which is good so are we all in agreement about the well the primary structure of the of my design lef let us see where the pen go except for the edges here like the keys there yeah open your thing again let us see what if you can come up with anything new i will just do a next one so what would give us your ne your design would be the lights would be on top right one on each one on each side yeah to create a kind of disco effect when you that was basically what w is it is it the lights for for finding the finding remote or lights that it that light for the finding of the remote we can also use one light for showing that the signal is being sent but yeah i think that should just be a simple led or something like that that is not that important of course it just like a matter of a a beep if you pre that you just know that that there is context so i do not think that is super important but so we have the teletext we have here we have the mute sh 0 l c d screen this is the on off button and speech w recognition are we speech recognition i where did i imagine we i did that pretty much over here so that you could use it like this little voice record and a no and speak to it then you have the extra keys for teletext mute 2 buttons which can be pretty much anything or nothing we can also just not use them let us see i will just make main controls and a key pad yeah one light here and just make it red now but it could be any color so will be fine okay whatever fine anyway what do we have here m i will make it are we going to use square buttons or round ones actually personally i would prefer round ones me too yeah but that would this was just in the design form of fruit it is better because if you i had a square design yeah for so i had square buttons okay but in that case the round buttons would be more appropriate okay i assume it for so we take a r take a round power button right here whatever back to black not too big though see this would be good let us see are these for any extra controls yeah the left one is teletext and the right one is mute okay and these 2 buttons are or not necessary or okay if we go for for round buttons in general do we want to the menu key in the middle to be round for example if you let us see put it this here i think we will go with the triangles that come on yeah the triangles would be best indeed triangles are good yeah they are a little too big now but anyway okay so do you want for example a round button in the middle or square one i personally think that a round b button looks bit silly but i am not sure i just just came up with it yeah this aligns nicely so okay we will just take the take the round button suppose 0 the square button sorry does everybody agree on that yep i suppose so i would prefer round but does not matter does not matter you prefer a round okay okay that is not a big deal think so there is our numbers think we need an extra button here of course for yeah like you had for the higher numbers and you could include a button here for the mute i suppose for something else just to yeah you can mirror mirror the effect with this but it but it is not necessary becau that is not necessary because it you can take this away but there it looks like there is a hole there just to mirror the effect okay so we have a few we could put our logo there nah i think it it would be nice to put the logo here for example if you have some buttons here we could put a logo here because it is very always in your field of vision and what about 0 if you are watching it the l c d screen blah blah what about a button for your favorite channel 0 that could be that b well we could we could include either here yeah with the extra controls or here for example but you think here or here well now it is getting a little bit too crowded up there 11 set i know so is your yeah you have to put it up so it can basically be the button down below or one of the 4 buttons up there no we could put this one as favorite channel for exam because one of the 4 it is better than i think what are these for one of the 4 is better i suppose okay it is a favorite channel what what nee one of the 4 because it is a little bit confusing to have 12 buttons down there because you are only accustomed to 11 i would say it is better th you are accustomed to 11 my okay have it your way i mean think this looks rather like like there is something missing for example 0 we still need an okay button i mean why would not you include a cause there is a a piece of electronics under there anyway so why not give it a function let us say i mean could be anything well you could also shift the 2 buttons to be nicely aligned but th no i do not think because this is a 0 but you want 0 to be mis aligned with the rest yeah anyway so this is the basic design we want to have on and off what are we missing 0 we are pretty much missing an okay button but we have a button up there which is still free if it looks okay so we want the remote to be the s the side view actually what i am going to draw so so probably think you want the curve to be here so have your finger under here like this i suppose yeah pretty much okay just going to be sh yeah want this straight or what let us keep it at this so it would be like this do we want something interesting with it or see would give us a light here maybe it is boring you want it curved or what maybe you want well i think it looks better curved should like this but that is probably will give us design problem because we have huh it can be curved why it can be curved because that yeah it is a little bit more trendy to be curved yes it can be curved okay i think so that is why i asked you okay so i would curve the whole actually i would curve the whole like like it hangs over your hand a little bit 0 crap yeah then it will bounce and you do not drop it so easily yeah 0 anyway so you want to a little more like this yeah something like that yes huh and just s s yes exactly stop the curve here or continue it i think continue like that yep then there is also enough room for the electronics so we have our l c d screen let us see but it pretty much looks like a banana already in yeah yeah let us make it yellow then perfect bana it is banana vision it is fruit yeah it is perfect yeah so you have your l c d screen right here suppose that would make we use the colors now but maybe once we can make a special edition in according with chiquita have ourselves sponsored you got sponsor now you get a free one with every pack of chiquita but it is a good trade off for them if they can have their logo on it so it would give the buttons here or they can design their own cover they might want to be the 1st ones to we could set up a a marketing agreement i suppose i suppose we can put let us see yeah 0 perhaps they can use it or give a special edition with with i suppose we can put the batteries in here because it has the most space for example will not that be a problem with the l c d screen i do not think so because it is the biggest part of the of the yeah but the l c d screen probably needs quite the chip let us i think this is possible i think it is possible okay i think it is the best place yeah you could also put em here huh but it does not matter you can actually place a chip for the l c d screen and at the bottom and and wire it does not matter okay so we put the batteries here okay that is not a problem okay okay that is fine yep blah i think we get the idea any other com what what are we missing here something a speech recognition where do we want the microphone for example to be on the side or on the or for example on top top 0 basically the idea that i had was it to be pretty much in combination with the transmitter w on there like here i think on top to be cause you can talk to it like this okay i w thought maybe it is either be here or because it is mi it might interfere with the transmitter i am not sure no but cause transmitter would be here well the email said it was a quite a small component so i do not see that why once again like you said the component can be somewhere at the bottom while we wire the microphone up there anyway yeah it could be either be here or make a double microphone i would not mind it is i believe also able to talk it is able to talk to you it is a i have a sample sample sensor and the speaker sensor a speaker sensor the speaker sensor we already have but s i do not know what they exactly mean by a sample sensor could it talk back like g give confirmation or something i think it can i think if you have a a speech recognition component then a s speaking component is not that hard to to put in either well the i think so it i think it could yeah i mean it could be a all this stuff could be integrated into the l c d screen which you could navigate with this i suppose navigate through everything if you have i think you sh i think the advanced options should be i think it sh the advanced option could also be integrated in the l c d screen yeah but do you actually need the remote talking back but yeah of course because you do not have to have a button for everything you can just navigate through th m your menu that you have here for advanced options with this think that would be fine so that is w m would be making use of the l c d screen we already have a sound component by the way for the beep so beep beep beep beep so the flashing of the beep we have well anything we could yeah but you could put a speaker or something on on the side for example at the back yeah like that or at the side for how do you draw that again which is whatever looks stupid so what is basically edi the editi idea sorry now i think this is pretty we need to stay here and work out that i am not sure i think you have to stay here because we are supposed to 5 minutes to finish the meeting 0 i should be getting new information i guess 0 like my the info that i got was that you are we are going to work on our own because you are going to do the market market analyzing i am supposed to do the little work on the year end report yep so the project report okay okay i think we are everybody satisfied with the with the current design we have well i suppose we will yes so we are s supposed to be rubber ah that is fine pretty much i think well i think the the remote control is going to be black because we we forgot to talk about i mean the the company colors are important apparently round wh why so we have the logo up there but we have any company logo so are we going to base color is black we have yes but and yellow and yeah of course we could use yellow buttons or yellow navigation or whatever i would change i would take a yellow remote control yellow but yellow control it is to have it flashy to have it it is for young people yeah but when you use covers it basically easier to have a n have a neutral color on the base okay need do be different it is the color of a well do not do not stick yourself on the covers right now but do not stick yourself on the cover because no we are designing the remote control now but taking that into consideration it is better to have a neutral base color than to have a flashy but we need to be different nah yeah but the info i think we should go with with the company color because what specific info that i got from the project board but the you so i think we should go with that the young people want a trendy remote control they want something trendy so colorful is huh it is either black cover with yellow buttons or vice versa and i would say take a yellow cover and black buttons it is more trendy that is definitely true i think we should th then take it take yellow to be different yeah take what you c yellow remote control so let us see if if we can do the led onto it you have the basic colors blue green red 0 yeah we have so many colors already so you know what 0 it is okay i am not going to do this 0 no that i think it is good thing to be different than that is up to you guys yeah you doodle a doodle us a nice nice design for for the next meeting we will be done colorful you you well i think we are all happy now yep i still do not have my scroll wheel though yeah yeah stupid scroll wheel that is nah that is true 0 where would you like to put it yeah kay i am not sure i really i am no i have no clue what we could use the scroll wheel for you could use it for the channels and for the volume no forget it 0 yeah but it is has no real added value no look it you can it takes space a lot of space no that is not my point and it could it is not because it is functional but it is just to add to the design to have it flashy ah may it it has no function i agree yeah but if it has no function then i am not sure if it if it has no function why even put it there i agree 0 so many things have no function just design and th that is just so much things that make it look flash but scroll for a channel s selection or volume i think channel selection would be annoying because it just c you could scroll past the channel or ma let us vote on it 0 okay then we do not have to talk about it any longer 0 okay what do you want in or out basically out i do not see the okay you are out of course out you are okay clear no r no scroll wheel okay i do not see anything missing really yeah we should too bad we do not have the finance do you have all your answers we could have i have all my answers yes okay yeah it is i am not sure if we are if we are going to get finance anyway because i thought we cou i thought it was going to be an issue at the 1st time we started i have to call this in a form i thought it was going to be a cost issue which material we were going to take relative to the advanced chips or anything there is i have one question so you just do whatever you like and does not care what it costs i only have one question with the material but i do not have information that we have chosen rubber i think we are rubber is not expensive no but can we make yellow rubber definitely i think so you can make rubber in any color yes you can color rubber yeah ah in any color okay so i mean you can not make yellow titanium but you can make yellow rubber but we ha w we do not use our reco we removable cover okay yeah we can make for example it is just something you can click on it like that is but it is not som not apparently that is not something we are working with in the basic design no huh maybe maybe later maybe we can so yeah it could be it can be done for e" ]

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[ "did you manage yeah quite okay we will see hello hello so what were you guys discussing no just as if she could not manage yeah do you find anything new no nothing special i have a lot of new information great yeah stuff a little bit and i will show you hey everything all right i had just a little bit of time so okay i hope it is something we can work with but yeah i have the same do you have a lot of since do you have a lot of new information well i heard that there was a new component speech recognition component which was pretty much up to standard so we might use that i put that in my drawing but again i did not have that much time so i have a lot of new i have a complete list of everything that we can use all the components that are available okay that is just super let me just still have any finance information but these have a lot more to go on now okay fine it is too bad you need to yeah i have to start it 1st okay okay go again well 2nd phase conceptual design it is fine everybody knows what we are talking about so take you past minutes of the last meeting again again you get your 3 present dates to see what you came up with so too bad we do not have any finance information apparently that is too bad so then we will just have to go on the information that we have to make the final decisions on a conceptual design so here we go anyway we discussed last time you will remember that we have to keep the electronics size in mind so it goes for you we have to have an easy design with big buttons which are durable and there are people actually willing to spend money to get more features and among those features lcd screen and voice recognition are very popular so we have to make a move on that area i guess especially when the new component is applicable in our product will be fine anyways well telethyx was not important and that is what i took the consumer yeah we aim for young consumer so that is fine and we actually yeah we did need some more data on finances but yeah we still do not have that apparently that is too bad yeah we need to we are going to implement the beep and the flash thing to recover your remote so while these interchangeable covers apparently which will make it a more fashionable product so going decisions anyway so we will have to do this after the after you give your presentation so i will just close this one now and let us let us see okay what has a lot to tell you had a lot to go on so i will let you go 1st okay okay let us see my presentation is this i mentioned before every feature for our remote control needs to have their own operating electronic devices we need to take care of that then warning there has to be a chip in our remote control and the chip requirements needed for a normal button it is just a simple chip scroll wheel regular and lcd is not advanced of course this is more expensive than this so we have to decide on that in a minute the available components for energy are we have a basic battery a hand in dynamo like in all torches we have a kinetic provision then you have to shake remote control to get energy and we have solar cells i suggest that we decide on that one immediately then i have all lists so my personal favorite is the kinetic provision because does it provide enough energy i think so yes also if we were choose the d ele d option what would it give us energy okay because i have information you take the remote control you pick it up at least 2 times a day so then it is already shaken and gives energy i am not sure if it is shaken enough because i do not really see people shaking their remote control no i do not think so because watches can go on kinetic energy because they move all the time but i am sure i mean remotes lie still i think like 99% of the time so i do not think that is a the other terms were solar cells i do not think that is applicable other options are solar cells hand dynamo and basic battery i think why should not we take a basic battery rechargeable maybe only a basic battery okay but i think this is everybody knows how to use that it is common so and it is available everywhere so watch but i think this rules out our units our rechargeable unit this is really a really basic battery a normal battery yeah it was not in the option so rechargeable module wash okay that is no no okay of course you could place rechargeable batteries but that is up to the consumer itself okay but then we do not offer a rechargement function that is what it is well it is not in the list so we we can not choose from it exactly right the battery is curving we can make a model that has one curve 2 or 3 and the shape of course the more curves the more expensive remote control itself okay i was thinking along the line of one curve i will show that in my design okay we will get back on that later i think one curve is fine but what are the implications depends on the use if for more curves it gets more expensive expensive more expensive okay so i think with with the extra design we had there it is 2 curves i suppose okay and i believe even that the the number of options we have on putting things in it goes down to decreases okay exactly material i have to offer plastic rubber wood or titanium if we choose plastic we cannot choose solar cells for energy if we choose titanium we cannot use more than one curve but we do not have one curve okay i would go for plastic because i have a couple of grooves in my design well let us just get back to that so i think we can rule out i am not sure we can rule anything i will do that when you get to your side i think wood is not an option either no wood is not an option it is stylish but we can yeah you can change the covers anyway my personal thought was robber because i had an email i believe it was from you yeah keeping in mind that it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is a lot in the ground so you do not want it to break so either have rubber edges or a rubber remote control it is very durable but it does not have to be unbreakable because we have to be unbreakable we need to keep selling these things it is not supposed to break after one use they fall a lot that is definitely true i think we have to decide on this anyway because if you make removable covers it has to be one of those materials we have no more than this well will rubber actually protect the remote control itself well yeah for for example if you take hard plastic if it falls it might crack and rubber kind of softens fall yeah but then you buy a new cover but i am not sure if it is the entire cover you change are we focusing on the we are focusing very much on the covers now i think it is just now we are going for the basic design if we want to expand our options be fashionable then we can get changeable covers but i think the basic thing let us just rule out wood for now and continue no but are we focusing on the younger people or the elder people are definitely focusing on younger people because that was our main goal then i proceed but i need to know after this meeting okay okay we will interface i have 4 things to offer normal push buttons of course we have a lot of expertise on that one we have a large history our company on push buttons scroll wheels those can be pushed as well although that is more expensive liquid crystal color display and okay and if we use rubber i already mentioned that we can only use rubber buttons so rubber can only match with rubber which one of those are we going to use push buttons that is i think basically yeah of course we are going to use but i did go on the thought of a scroll wheel actually i am still deciding on what could you use it for maybe for volume control channel i think that would be annoying because it might excellently scroll into another channel i think a push button for channel would be better i mean for volume control it is a smoother motion you can just increase or decrease but i am sure for challenges will be good is it really necessary i do not think so i have not taken into consideration but i think we really need one my investigation turns out that the younger people want a little bit of material that is spongy i think so it is not that much if we take a normal scroll wheel without the pushing then it is not expensive we can do that but why do we need it why would we use it we do not need it if we do not need it why put it in your if it is not something people are looking for or is useful i think they are looking for that are there are there are there if it is not useful i do not think it gives an extra function to the remote okay so push buttons we will use lcd screen perhaps i have what do you get on the lcd screen is it expensive does it i only know that if we are using that we need an advanced chip in it and that is smart and how much more expensive is that i have no idea i have no absolute numbers absolute numbers but it is just more expensive and takes more room i suppose in your design but i do not think the room is really an issue i think it is an issue okay so let us go for let us say because it is very hot in our target group i think we should take into consideration to build an lcd screen i have 2 designs one including an lcd screen okay which is basically the deluxe edition and then i also have a standard a standard edition which we can also choose to develop too which basically has the same functionality but lacks the lcd screen exactly okay we will pick it from that just combine everything later okay electronics the 1st one is a chip that is no longer an option it has to be an advanced one now because we have the lcd screen then we have an infrared sender i think that is basically going to do it otherwise it is not a remote control and we have the sample sensor and speaker the voice recognition thing are we going to do that or not once again i would ask you if it is expensive but apparently you do not have any data i only have relative what was exactly what you got on the i got an email that it is relatively small that is small so we can implement it yes so why if it is small and we can not why should not we yeah and there is that goes the marketing report what was the last number of how many people were interested in voice recognition although it is hard for different countries of course the most of them you have to program it yourself i suppose their own voice more than 60% more than 60% of the people would like the information mean of 70% i think i have to look it up if it is small if it is fits if people like it why not but do not we have any information about the squirrel wheel scroll wheel if people would like that that is strange because that is the same story it is not necessary like an lcd but it is just it adds something to the yeah but we got some data on people that actually are into are interested in that and i do not think scroll wheel offers new functionality whereas speed recognition and lcd screen do offer new functionality in your product but i think we now already have to implement an advanced chip i think so because if we are especially if you are going maybe if you have the 2 additions you want to give out probably have one with speed recognition and well they basically can have speech recognition i mainly focused on the l fecons the lcd aspect can you hold on a minute were you finished no but that is okay because if there is something if you wanted to see them did you have all the materials or anything yes this was the los amolese okay so we just go for design from now just have a seat for a 2nd combine everything so this is basically the deluxe edition why is it square why is it square why did you pick square or not square well why did it so why did it point yeah sharp corners it is basically it has some futuristic tension yeah i do not really know but i just thought that in normal remote controls you have like smooth curves and this and that and this is something new this is something different something fresh it is true and basically what you can see here is that it has a little yeah that is a gap which you can put your finger in okay so just yeah you can see you can hold it really comfortable that is basically the idea but it is only right handed then or left hand it just does not really it is a curve inside the thing as you can see this is the it is on the back 0 on the back okay you can not really see it that well but this is the lcd screen so just imagine it goes that away 0 yeah okay and you can see you can hold it in your left or in your right hand and i also made a quick image because i did not have that much time of the standard edition which has basically the keys are pretty much the same keys are probably the number keys i suppose yeah i had to do this really fast so excuse me for the inconvenience here as you can see the keys moved well you can work on the actual concept or actual design later within so these are basically the 2 types we have so if we were to select the lcd screen the transfer here you can see the light one thing you have to keep in mind is that you are moving the number keys from the top in the simple design you have them at the top and the complex design you have them at the bottom so that would give us a totally different design so it is actually making a whole different product instead of 2 different models i think it would be very expensive to produce 2 whole different products well we can shift that but normally as you can see there we put the number buttons right on top whereas because we had the lcd screen here we had to move them downwards so what you could say is that for example why did you pick the numbers all the way below and the channels and volume control because these are basically the functions you use the most so if you hold it in your hand like this you put your finger in the gap this is the most easy part okay for zapping because people are zapping most of the time just as long as you took it into consideration what people would prefer okay if you all agree i am fine with it okay so that is pretty much which i had in mind as you can see here this can be space for extra keys or just be designed things maybe it is better to look what the people want yeah so i can show my investigation i think we are going towards the deluxe edition anyway because that is yeah it is better but let us see what they want now yeah especially for young people where is it that is mine 0 0 yeah you should send it to the folder 1st 0 yeah you should send it to the folder 1st yeah okay i forgot that let us just assume we go for a chance one okay now it must be there there here it is okay the investigation turns out that the most people want to look and feel like this is this this the same as before but it must be a little bit fancier than the look of it the 2nd important thing is it must be technological innovative so the lcd screen is perfect i think speech recognition yeah that is very important and the 3rd thing is it should be easy to use so not too much not too much buttons and channel selection i think that is what you showed is perfect and what the young people want is in paris and milan it showed out that the fruit and vegetables are trendy you see it in the clothes and everything and the contrast of it the buttons must a little bit spongy material so rubber i think that is the best the rubber would be the best as a material indeed so we were focusing on the younger people so the elder they wanted a little bit of wood in it and that is not important now so we are definitely going for rubber it could be a cover but it is not it focuses the young audience so let us stick to that so i thought a mix and young classic remote with a no i think we are in this case you are losing the focus on the group because that is why i do that is what we are focusing on so i think a spongy feel gives us rubber with a fruit yeah with apparently cover or something like that yeah apparently yeah maybe also yeah i tend to disagree with the with the sharp form if you are saying fruits and vegetables maybe it is supposed to be a little more round a form of a vegetable or a fruit yeah maybe like a yeah but that is just more a season or a trend thing that is what we are doing the idea now is that you can put a cover on it for example with fruit like a shape or whatever i think shape is important because next year it will be something completely different and then you have your apple shaped remote control which is not trendy anymore so i think that is more something you can focus like your star trek phaser thing shape control so the edges are really what you can do is smooth the edges indeed but that will bring extra expenses or maybe just make it into a little smooth curve instead of just the sharp twist on the outside all fruit and vegetables are round so it is better i think there needs to be a little i think it is too sharp the edges are too sharp but the bottom is fine of course if it is square but we just make the top little rounded off on the side i think according to my information this would be 2 curves that would be 2 curves we have one left and one right and that is disables what was it again but it is something that we could not do then one curve you could also make the curve go through of course but that would make but we have got like one curve here okay that is not a problem that is only for the titanium and we can have one here it is not for the trendy thing of it no no no no no but i am just because you mentioned that more curves the more the more curves the more expensive so i am just taking that into a but let us see titanium would give us only one curve yeah but we do not have this we are not using titanium no we have no we picked rubber right right we did so basically what we can do is just dodle something on the board on the left edges a little bit less sharp but the problem then is that it will start to resemble the remote controls as we have them today we were looking at something fresh something trendy well actually we are setting ourselves apart by technology alone actually so that let us see what you are doing they these are what they call the curves this side this side this is like that not really the curves on the side of the no no this is what they what they mean okay that is not really okay now yeah of course now i understand why they have more like where the curves decrease the size of the electrons that can be inside okay i do not think the outside would be called as a curve really yeah it is like this thanks for all the basic model looking from the side well it has to come up with some designs fast anyway but you can make if you want to use fruit in the use fruit in the in the okay but is not the fruit like a cover thing because we well you should not focus on the mostly cover it because a lot of things we came up with should not be too much should be too much should be too focus on the covers because no it is kind of an idea of our own but we are not sure if we put that directly into the design we limit ourselves extremely because that is just for one that is one thing i am also afraid of with this one because the edges are really they might that is stick out on the side for example if you have a basic design a little smaller on the edges you could put more covers on it one with square or sharp corners if you want to just round it off a little i guess because we have more options to just like it to go a little bit more like this i think so because it looks leaner and we should just go with that anyway you have all the time in the world to make the final design in a minute with him so we decided on what did you guys want to know again because this is anyway i will fire up my thing did you do a decision present everything you wanted to yep so i can quickly make a conclusion of what we have decided so far and we still need to decide on a couple of things you you needed to know yeah okay anyway energy choose regular batteries the chip is advanced because we have the advanced features the case it will be the material will be rubber suppose the design we talked about use interface type well i think we to call the components separately what we want let us see supplements i am not sure what i mean by that anyway apparently you guys should work together on the final design both on internal and external design you should probably find out how the product will fall into the market how what is going to happen with the final design as we have it now yeah of course you get your specific instructions as usual so i think we are pretty much in agreement actually which is good are we all in agreement about the well the primary structure of the of my design let us see where the pen go here like the keys yeah open your thing again let us see well if you can come up with anything new let us do the next one so what would give us your design would be the line would be the line would be the lights would be on top right one on each one on each side to create a kind of disco effect when you that was basically is it is it the lights for for finding the finding remote or the lights that lights for the finding of the remote we can also use one light for showing that the signal is being sent and i think that would just be a simple lead or something like that is not that important of course it is just like a matter of a beep if you print that you just know that there is contact i think that is super important but so we have the teletext we have here we have the mute lcd screen this is the on off button and speech recognition speech recognition i where did i imagine i imagine that pretty much over here you could use it like this record and and speak to it then you have the have the extra keys so teletext mute 2 buttons which can be pretty much anything or nothing we can also just not use them let us see i will just make main controls and the keypad yeah one light here i am just making it red now but it will be any color so we find okay whatever fine anyway what do we have here i will make it are we going to use square button or round ones actually personally i would prefer round ones me too yeah but this was just in the design i had a square design so i had their buttons but in that case round buttons would be more appropriate so we take a round power button right here whatever back to black not too big though yes it would be good let us see where are these for you extra controls yeah the left one is teletext and the right one is mute and these 2 buttons are or not necessary or if we go for round buttons in general do we want to the menu key in the middle to be round be round for example if you let us see put it this here i think we will go with the triangles though come on yeah the triangles would be best indeed triangles are good maybe they are a little too big now anyway okay so do you want for example a round button in the middle or square one i personally think that a round button looks a bit silly but i am not sure i just came out with it this aligns nicely so okay we will just take the take the round button suppose 0 the square button sorry does everybody agree on that yeah i suppose i will just try a wrong one but it does not matter it is not a big deal so there is our numbers i think we need an extra button here of course for yeah like you had for the higher numbers and you could include a button here for the mute i suppose for something else just to mirror the effect it is not necessary it is not necessary because you can take this away but it looks like there is a hole there just to mirror the effect okay so we have a few you can put a logo there no i think it would be nice to put the logo here for example if you have some buttons here we could put a logo here because it is very and what about you are watching it the lcd screen blah blah blah what about the button for your favorite channel 0 that could be that include either here with the extra controls here for example either here or here it is getting a little bit too crowded up i know so now you have to see it up so it can basically be the button down below or one of the 4 buttons up there we could put this one has favorite channel for it has been a thing one of these 4 okay it is a favorite channel what what no one of the 4 because it is a little confusing to have 12 buttons down there because you are only accustomed to 11 i would say you are custom to 11 okay have it your way i mean i think this looks rather like there is something missing for example i mean why would not you include a because there is a piece of electronics under there anyway so why do not give it a function i mean it could be anything but well you could also shift the 2 buttons to be nicely aligned no i do not think because because this is 0 you want 0 to be misaligned with the rest anyway so this is the basic design we want to have on and off what are we missing we are pretty missing an okay button but we have a button up there which is still free so we want the remote to be the side view actually when i am going to draw probably think you want the curve to be here so have your finger under here like this yeah okay it is just going to be one this straight or what let us keep it at this so it would be like this do you want something interesting with it or let us see it would give us a light here maybe it is boring do you want it curved or what maybe you want well i think i think it looks better curved but that is probably a it will give us design problems because we have it can be curved because it is a little bit more it can be curved okay i think so that is why i ask it okay so i would go off the hole actually i would go out of the hole like like it hangs over your hands a little bit 0 crap yeah and it is well balanced and you do not drop it easily okay anyway so you want to a little more like this yeah something like this and just yes exactly stop the curve here or continue it i think continue like that yeah so we have our lcd screen let us see it looks like a banana right it is a yellow it is a banana vision it is fruit yeah it is perfect so i have the rest of the screen right here i suppose that would make i use the colors now maybe once we can make a maybe once we can make a special edition in a corner with chakita i have some sponsored you got sponsored now you get a free one with every pack of chiquita but it is a good trade off for them if they can have their logo on it so give the buttons here they can design their own cover they might want to be there i suppose we can put let us see perhaps they can use it we give a special addition i suppose we can put the batteries in here because it is a special addition in here because it has the most space for example will not that be a problem with the lcd screen i do not think so because it is the biggest part of the yeah but the lcd screen probably needs quite the chip i think this is possible i think it is possible i think it is the best place yeah you could also put them here but it does not matter you can actually place a chip for the lcd screen at the bottom and wire it it does not matter okay that is not a problem so i put the batteries here that is fine yeah i think we get the editing the other kind of what are we missing here a speech recognition where do we want the microphone for example to be on the side or on the or for example on top basically the idea that i had i think to be pretty much in combination with the top in combination with the transmitter because you can talk to it like this okay i thought it may either be here or because it might interfere with the transmitter i am not sure because transmitter would be here well the email said it was quite a small component so i do not see once again like you said the component can be somewhere at the bottom while we wire the microphone up there anyway yeah it could be there be here or make a double microphone i would not mind it is i believe also able to talk it is able to talk to you i have a sample sensor and a speaker sensor a speaker sensor the speaker sensor we already have but i do not know what they exactly mean by a sample sensor could it talk back like give confirmation or something i think it can i think if you have a speech recognition component then i think so speaking component is not that hard to put in either yeah i mean it could be all this stuff could be integrated into the lcd screen which you could navigate with this i suppose navigate through everything i think the advanced option should be i think it should the advanced option could also be integrated in the lcd screen of course because you do not have to have a button for everything you can just navigate through your menu that you have here for advanced options with this i think that would be fine that would be making use of the lcd screen we already have a sound component by the way for the beep so beep beep so the flashing we have the beep we have well anything we could you could put a speaker or something on the side for example at the back yeah we are on how you draw those again whatever it looks stupid so what is basically the idea now i think this is pretty i am not sure i should be getting new information i guess we are supposed to 5 minutes to finish the meeting the info that i got was that you are going to work on our own because you are going to do the market market analyzing i am supposed to do the little work on the year end report the project report okay okay i suppose everybody is satisfied with the current design we have yes it is supposed to be rubber i think well i think the remote control is going to be black because we forgot to talk about i mean the company colors are important apparently so we have the logo up there so are we going to base color is black yes but on yellow and yellow of course we could use yellow buttons or yellow navigation or whatever i would change i would take a yellow yellow control to have it flashy it is for young people yeah but when you use covers it basically easier to have a neutral color on the base but do not stick yourself on the cover because no we are designing the remote control now but taking that into consideration it is better to have a neutral base color than to have a flashy yeah but the info i think we should go with the company colors because it is specific info that i got from a project board the young people want a trendy remote control it is either black cover with yellow buttons or vice versa and i would say take a yellow cover and black buttons it is more trendy then take a yellow remote control so let us see if we can doodle that onto it the basic colors blue green red yeah we have so many colors already you know what i am not going to do this that is up to you guys it would be different than do a nice nice design for the next meeting we will be done i think we are all happy now i still do not have my scroll wheel though where would you like to put it la that is true i am not sure i really i have no clue what we could use a scroll wheel for you could use it for the channels before the volume but it has no it takes space a lot of space value that is not my point it is not because it is functional but it is just to add to the design to have it flashy it has no function i agree i am not sure if it has no function why even put it there so many things have no function scroll for channel selection or volume i think channel selection would be annoying because you can scroll past the channel let us vote on it and we do not have to talk about it any longer okay what do you want in a rod basically out i do not see the you are out of course you are out okay clear no it is roll wheel okay i do not see anything missing really you have to find out i have all your answers i have all my answers yeah i am not sure if we are going to get finance anyway because i thought it was going to be an issue at the 1st when we started i thought it was going to be a cost issue which material we were going to take relative to the advanced chips or anything so i would just do whatever you like and i only have one question with the material but i do not have information that we have showed i mentioned that we have chosen rubber rubber is not expensive no can we make yellow rubber i think so you can make rubber in any color in any color so i mean you can make yellow titanium but we make yellow rubber we do not use a removable cover we can make for example it is just something you can click on it like a that is but it is not apparently it is not something we are working with in the basic design maybe later maybe we can yeah it could be it can be done for example" ]

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[ "so hi christa so now it is the hi sammy it is the detail design meeting so we are going last meeting so 1st mark and rama are going to present the prototype then sammy will propose some crite cr criteria to evaluate this prototype yes yes then w we and then we going to do some finance to see if it is feasible and at the end we will we will evaluate ourself as a team and chocolate and that is all okay so 1st let us see the prototype yeah here we have our prototype model okay and you have some slides then yeah yeah we have also some slides yes and place some slides yeah okay so in which in participant 3 prototype yeah okay 5 so him this is our remote control it is a r working prototype you can use it now by switching all these buttons so 1st i present as we came to this perfect model and then we will give some technical specifications yeah that is well so that is that please next slide we analyzed all the fruits and contacted nasa and made some real good yeah masa if you can see this and the stars are showing that and s society will accept that for sure and making some analysis of different fruits we choose the ultimate form ultimate colors and ultimate smell of it s please next slide but we still did not want to go far from our titanium idea cause it is the most of the moder the m the modern material we can p select and it is practical and it is still say it is for our needs so please press something and as i said it is perfect okay please press it experience explanat everyone is f really really glad to obtain an such a nice thing see this s such a r such a device so you can touch it with your hands can i ho ho sure you can yes what do you say n it says you must say it spongy i will one day i will buy it yeah if i if i need so he hopefully my daughter will like it okay y and we got the answer it is yes of course yes of course of c course please next slide this is a prototype you can have a look at it and ah that is all i wanted to say now it is technical specification by our colleague so 0 there is a button missing okay yeah this this is really flexible you can add your buttons it is in option yeah so function so as we discussed we have to switch on switch off whenever we want and so we have buttons and using l c d or like you can use this jog wheel and select which ever option on the l c d and then do on and off then you ha you will have volume control so you you can press these buttons to increase or decrease the volume and we have some l c d controls like m switching the l c d display if you want to use l c d or you do not want you can just use normal button and we have speech recognition here you have microphone and then it date records your voice and then it try to recognize and it can also do the action and location finder and we want to do the location basically using speech recogniser you can just say where is my remote control or you can just give some nickname to your remote control like bobby hey babe bobby and then it will say hi bob hey bob yeah hi and then you can use it okay that is good kay so our team is now fruits mainly strawberry so you can have and then you can see the look l c d and all the switches 0 these are strawberries are colorful yeah material we want to stick to titanium we will send we want to fruit smelling spongy titanium i did not know it exist but that is great yeah or s so we want to have simple and perfect shapes like i shown in these phones you can have your own designs and and you can feel simple designs and you can choose colors on your day for each day or even many colors ha ho ho you mean we can change the color of th that is for the l c d or for the titanium for the l c d yeah yeah okay for the l c d with titanium it is it is silver tit titanium is we are still working on titanium yeah okay so r we will start with l c d yeah you can ask bob yeah it is tuesday yeah bob please hey you know you are theme today tuesday color yeah even you can configure your colors for its the depending on your mood or s okay black for sunday and you can have many colors on weekends or and w wait wh what are the strawberries for on the l c d wh wh huh 0 ah these are like sensors of course what do you think that is location sensors strawberry sensors very useful okay strawberries so after this meeting we will propose a party for our success for ah lounge meeting so if you are vegetarian or you have any options please let us know yeah and we can just some strawberry 1st yeah okay alright good oops s so huh interesting we will see in the financial part if all gets into so any specific questions for in interesting it makes sense yeah let us make a party 1st maybe yeah w then we can discuss we can who is the 550000000s we 1st make a party in so this is yeah then we can have how much for how money is left what a design okay so it is my turn let us yeah let us see if th it is meet the evaluation criterium let us see if this yeah if you meet yeah the evaluation criterion oops fudge yeah so evaluation please so you made a very nice prototype and i think we now need altogether to try to evaluate it to see if it makes sense to do it if it fulfills our what we want to do and things like that so next slide please as you know before going and creating and producing these strawberry remote control yeah it is very important to 1st verify if it makes sense if we have a chance to sell it so we need to evaluate it try to do it in a constative way and as much as we can to so what i propose is that we are going to to have this scale from one to 7 one meaning that ye yes it fulfills the the criterion whatever it is and 7 meaning no it does not fulfill at all and we are all l going to list all the criterion i am going to go to that next slide and together try to evaluate this according to this criterion and from one to 7 okay and then we are just going to have an average which will give us the value of our remote control so maybe we can have a look at the criteria fancy so these are the criterion i am i thought were important of course this can be discussed but let us let us see so let us vote so we have fancy here and we have the scale from one to 7 with 4 in the middle so huh yeah what is is really what do you think is it fancy it is really i think that fancy we can say it is fancy it is very very fancy or have you ever seen something like that 0 i am not the d the only one choosing yeah yeah of course what do you think what do you think feel the weight is it the weight is later yeah 0 really huh now we are we are on the fanciness now okay i think it is quite fancy yeah yeah it is we can give at least 5 or 67 yeah yeah yeah so no it is it is one it is in the other yeah yeah 01 means it is yes a very fancy and 7 mean no at all 00 so 0 okay yeah okay 0 okay so so it is one or 2 what do you think 2 m maybe 2 let us say 2 yeah 2 okay 2 2 so here 2 up then we have technology technology yeah so what about technology we have we have speech recognition we have location based we have l c d and we have l c d so you change colors change color of t change color i mean that is very useful yeah i think it is a quite d i think it is a one for that at least yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it is silly at least a one yeah robustness huh still we need to cha so let us suppose my daughter take it and and through it away do you think it makes sense that it is going to live again maybe not the prototype the strawberries 0 yeah it maybe strawberry let us try 0 my god okay we just lost one strawberry no so not at all 0 no how can i say this yeah we can easily plug it it is still it is still working and your daughter got a bonus it is yeah a strawberry yeah so it is not so bad i i would say 3 yeah yeah yeah but it is too yeah yeah that does make sense yeah it is robust yeah useful useful well so the question is does it have the minimum requirement of re remote control yeah so i do not know these buttons are it not clear 0 yeah lets me try but you have at least next produce yeah yeah what is next please yeah channel i this is volume control and channel changes it depends on the okay these are the main and you can do di 2 sites you yeah yeah yeah and you can do on l c d using these going to scrolling all the option okay also so but for instance because the l c d is not touch control touch screen you cannot go to channel 25 directly so if you do not want yeah yeah you can by using the yeah you can directly you go you so the basic mode yeah you c push here the the yeah so that is simple the basic mode is you got just 2 buttons and a jog dial yeah with 2 buttons you do this like volume up volume down 0 it is a jog dial okay huh and channel or if you go to the site it is channel up channel down okay and if you want to make to s 25 you push on this yeah you can select you select 20 you select 5 okay that is it yeah it is much longer than that that being 225 no no do not you think so may not okay we can go that is you are right yeah yeah yeah y you need to like press 2 and 5 and yeah that is it is less yeah but it is it is nice because people anyway do not go there but yeah yeah yeah so what do you think for it usefulness so d yeah we need to address we want we only address 2 main functions here and the other functions will be on l c d seems to be useful so let me understand well because i am not sure that is for that this one are b d 2 dir directional button so both yeah yeah 2 yeah yeah yeah yeah up down or left right yeah yeah up yeah yeah and which what is that that it is a jog dial for controlling the cursor on the l c d screen this is jog wheel okay okay yeah it is a kind 0 okay okay like selecting the menus see in l c d like you will have blocks and you select which one cool 00 okay great i would say then now it is looks us useful 2 or 3 yeah yeah 2 or 3 yeah 2 maybe 2 yeah okay 2 so size and weight yeah yeah is it the the the effective size and weight that the is it real size real weight or because it size is going to be that yeah yeah it is size al almost yeah because it is the weight will be bit lighter and and we will s we use titanium sure without titanium alloy it is going to be light yeah yeah it is going to be lighter because this seems to be very heavy f i mean for my daughter for instance yeah of course heavy yeah yeah not sure if she can use it but sides the sides should be okay so should be okay yeah up to 3 for that because i am have not seen the weight so i must not color and shape okay 0 okay 0 well so color it seems that we have the several colors for the l c d yeah yeah but it is not very clear what is the color of the sh the sh the case yeah the case is silver titanium no it is a it is going to be titanium yeah it is yeah okay okay that is nice let us imagine i think it is good okay and what about the strawberries on the top i am not convince yahoo but maybe i am not trendy but well y you know it is this fruit and vegetable year 0 yeah yeah yeah but they are not useful so yeah so maybe i think i i mean it that is i think usefulness is m as as i rem just have to remind you that usefulness is much less important than fanciness yeah yep yeah well whether it is fancy or not now it we have to decide yeah but this if it is i would have m i found more fancy that the fruits are useful huh so that they will that maybe the fruit may be here instead yeah yeah well then it is bit difficult to use not like this d we are just giving the fruit for more fanciness and more attraction too but the n yeah so maybe think we can have rubber or some sponges stuff for strawberries and different colors so it is even so it seems we are not so clear on the shape no i am not sure why if it was like this these buttons but it looks really not really good i it is n no it is not fancy any more i mean the f yeah so these are kind of rubber things even if you lose one you can just put whatever okay and even we can provide many different colors or different fruits and huh and different routes moreover moreover it covers it covers all the end goals okay i see what yeah even if it is you know it is very rounded but still you got some rubber fruit here and it is completely completely secure to leave it with children and that yeah okay so you you you feel like it is something a protection for the remote control yeah yeah yeah yeah we have yeah we have sensors here and so here and here so we just yeah so even if you do not put it works also but this is really fancy okay i suggested 3 okay because everybody s does not seem to be convince although it is quite you have good arguments okay okay yeah yeah but okay and the last one is adaptive this is not r maybe not as important as the other one but can we adapt it to each each personal use yeah sure sure just look at it great it is full adaptable wow that is a fully adaptable yeah you can fit it into your palm you know that is yeah so you can fit into your palm okay yea that what else can we need yeah you can yeah you do you think you are going to be able to do that with ti titanium as well yeah it is fudge titanium it is fudge yeah yeah you know right yeah yeah fruit titanium yeah and well i if if this is if you are ready to do that then i think it deserves a one yeah okay let us go for one okay yeah now we have to do the average 336811 who is good in math it is 217 okay 217 that is nice 217 out of 7 i think we have a good yeah good thing well that is all i had to say about the evaluation so so it is a good evaluation it seems to be good yeah yeah yeah we have yeah 2117 we have yeah so yeah okay thanks okay so now it has to fulfill the financial criterium financi ah ha so i have an here energy so so how many batteries do we need we use bat one battery one battery yep okay so 2 good why 2 0 we just need one i guess say no no ne never install huh 2 batteries or one 0 no number is one we need only one battery only one yeah yeah but the price is 2 no no 0 number but no no no you just number sorry sorry sorry number number no no way i am sorry yeah yeah yeah yeah you never use excel 0 no never good how what what is the limit h it is 12 bucks it is it is okay that i do not know cause it is not my field 12 bucks 12 bucks okay now 125 i think so we check that number also okay okay electronics we have sample chip so like simple chip yeah it is a simple chip simple chip okay so yeah one yeah 4 buttons at least okay okay and then we have the t sample speaker sensor for speech recognition and for the one also one or 2 yeah one to one one yeah one okay so the case which one is it in the end yeah i think we will go for a single curve no let us do a single curve 0 is it is it is flat it is flat and curved 0 0 okay i thought you can curve somebody it is flat but it is flat you look it is curvable it is curvable but it is not curved maybe there is a supplement for that no it is only curve okay let us go 0 see i i think that the the price is this one yeah this okay you d we tried we tried yeah yeah do not chip on me 0 0 okay so what is it titanium t titanium that is expensive yeah but she wanted u the fudge titanium okay yeah well let us stick to s titan i think it is 5 but you do not say special color no because well n why 3 no only one no why 3 0 sorry again i am see it yeah special color or it is only on the interface 0 yes in l c d display ok yeah but there is no color here yeah an yeah so i put it here push button so the l c d how many push button scro 3 or 2 2 2 is there the scroll wheel okay yeah yeah it is going to be expensive one scroll wheel one l c d displayed okay that is that is not we choose this one and not this one that is all no yeah 0 i think no it is is it a scroll wheel and pe push button th this center one yeah it is cheaper or only a scroll wheel yeah or only only scroll wheel okay only scroll wheel yeah so you are trying to make make up make us up you try to s no no no it is already because how do you do to y select ah no but you select with the 2 d the other 2 buttons no y ye yeah i mean you you go on the location with your scroll wheel and then you that is true yeah yeah then it automatically we can just do like you feel it goes yeah stay longer and it will activate plus yeah it is price is really it should stay okay yeah oops okay okay special colors yeah for buttons okay yeah buttons and strawberries no buttons just normal yeah special form you you have all of these no she is very hard on this maybe n not this one but special color yeah no special material we have titan that is for buttons but buttons are standard yeah buttons are the standard buttons yeah it is only buttons these yeah so nothing special yeah okay so we are at 17 dot 8 not special colors an interest in no the color is in the l c d and buttons are not colourised they are m i no i think because you can just go for a good colors we can just use this red yeah and it is boo hoo it is already too expensive yeah apparently so what is are we supposed to cut things out now yeah until we get 1250 0 so think of what we can cut here well if i look at what is the most expensive things it is the l c d and the speaker sample speaker yeah apparently we have to choose one or the other yeah yeah yeah well as you may know there is some research done in the field of producing energy from mechanical eng i mean producing electricity from mechanical energy so the point is that when you take device and push the button you produce enough energy but you do not need a battery to make electricity yeah that you do not need a battery so it is something like hand dynamo robot a real high tech version of it so that would but it is like the hand dynamo no maybe the jog wheel can be like kind of hand so but if we select the hand dynamo it is okay we only we we win one is okay but l yeah that is already that it is a it is a beginning okay let us do that yeah why not okay let us do that so one here and here yeah just remo kay and i propose to so about chips s advanced chip on print right so put -one there please i am not sure if this is legal yeah why not that is right no and and m maybe -3 no no yeah okay let us see so was there result no no it is not let us have a look it is not changing no it you do not yeah yeah yeah if click somewhere you will see features why oops yes it does so 0 sorry maybe put -2 so it looks more reasonable yeah why not yeah anyway no -2 minus nobody will know it is not recorded is it good okay we are on time okay good so now on we can increase our still you have 2 more 0 we can put a hand dynamo and a battery if you want maybe we can use it for our party and a battery and a battery yeah 0 yeah yeah yeah both its it is cool no now we are exp exceeding i think now it is fancy let us add one instead of 2 yeah that it is it yeah yeah y i think we are exceeding now we have to remove the no but 53 it is better okay i think they are counting we would prefer yeah yeah is really strict it is maximum and do not have to yeah yeah maximum is maximum 0 so remove one of them 0 yeah yeah okay okay we are on target yeah okay so target reached i am just curious to see this my address chip on print ho it is english yeah trick i would say it is the russian trick but anyway no they may have some their origins strange origins yeah but is english so 0 well i do not know i do not know i am not sure who was programming this calculator you know cause i wonder if we put a or b somewhere instead of a number no no no let us try let us finish this meeting instead and we can discuss all these things in our party okay i save it what else okay so next no this is right no that is yours sorry okay so finance that is done kay are the cost under 12 yeah very much yes project evaluation good okay so now next slide project process we have to make safe asse safe assessment yeah yeah see how are we a good team yeah i think we have listened to everybody okay everybody could say what they thought and is there enough room for creativity yeah yeah yeah yeah and you yeah yeah when we see the results there is no doubt there maybe a lack of leadership yeah it is really 0 okay well project evaluation yeah m maybe not huh team work very strong i would say yeah our team work is really strong team work no problem means whiteboard digital pens 0 we still i guess what was the 0 yeah what was good everything yeah i think white board is useful what was bad digital pens useful new ideas found so you say is there sheep yeah luck okay so luck but good but which imply good team performance yeah but then i i mus yeah a good leader you know a good leader is somewhere in the shade and that is true and there is one very important point do not really we are on time yeah meetings finish when they have to or even before and we also we made the for meeting it is one of the most important thing of course okay not to waste time that is important yeah yeah we have other remote controls to create we need time f okay ah we got new idea speech recognition location finding a lot of new materials new materials new s this fancy strawberry design yeah new ways of doing financial yeah hey just wondering if my what about the the pink the pinkness of that and new tricks they are working on pink titanium they are working on a okay good ah very i think we are great budget there is no no other words for that yeah we are probably the best alright yeah real reaction is yeah yeah we are really nice yeah yeah finished okay i think it is ah celebration are the costs within the budget of course they are yeah yeah yeah how yeah okay is the project evaluated yes it is yeah yeah it is we got 2 good score yeah it is so we see we can even forecast they propose us like celebration everything we could forecast it right to whom to the whole our company 0 okay i am the one proposing the celebration of course you know i am the program manager you it was you okay so let us celebrate so where we will go now ah i think it is finish ye will go to italian restaurant or i think the meeting the meeting is over at least yeah so we have to go out ah okay we can decide okay yeah and we go to the party yeah yeah yeah yeah thank you thank you to you" ]

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[ "0 okay okay my pen so now it is the hi sammy it is the detailed design meeting so we are going last meeting so 1st mark and rama are going to present the prototype then samu will propose some great some criteria to evaluate this prototype then we yes then we are going to do some finals to see if it is feasible and at the end we will evaluate ourselves as a team and that is all so 1st let us let us see the prototype here we have our prototype model and you have some slides yes we have some slides so in which in participant 3 prototype so this is our remote control it is our working prototype you can use it now by switching all these buttons so 1st i present as we came to this perfect model and then we will give some technical specifications it is well so let us start please next slide we analyzed all the fruits and contacted nasa and made some real good yeah if you can see this and the stars are showing that we are doing right and society will accept it for sure and making some analysis of different fruits we choose the ultimate form ultimate colors and ultimate smell of it please next slide we still did not want to go far from our titanium idea because it is the most of the model the the other modern material we can select and it is practical and it still sees it is for our needs so please press something and as i said it is perfect okay please press it everyone is really really glad to obtain and see this such a device so you can touch it with your own hands can i sure yes what do you say it says i will say spongy i will buy it if i need so hopefully my goodness daughter will like it okay and we got the answer yes of course of course please next slide this is the prototype you can have a look at it and that is all i wanted to say now it is technical specification by our colleague so 0 there was a button missing this is really flexible it is an option so function so as we discussed we are to switch on switch off whenever we want and so we have buttons and using lcd or like you can use this jock wheel and select which are option on and then do on and off then you will have volume control so you can press these buttons to increase or decrease your volume and we have some lcd controls like switching the lcd display if you want to use lcd or you do not want to use normal button and we have speech recognizer here you have microphone and then it records your voice and then try to recognize and it converts into the action and location finder and we want to do the location basically using speech recognizer you can just say where is my remote control or you can just give some nickname to your remote control and then bob it would say hi bob yeah hi and then you can use it so our team is now fruits mainly strawberry so you can have 0 these are strawberries and then you can see the look lcd and all the switches colorful material we want to stick to titanium because and you want to smelling spongy titanium i did not know it exists but that is great yeah so we want to have simple and perfect shape the cash on in these phones you can have your own designs and you can feel simple designs and you can choose colors on your day for each day or even many colors you mean we can change the color cd or for the titanium for the lcd okay for the lcd with titanium it is titanium we are still working on titanium we will start with lcd you can ask bob it is tuesday you know you are being today tuesday color even you can configure your colors for each day depending on your mood or black you can have many colors on weekend and wait what are the strawberries for on the iceing these are like sensors of course what do you think that is strawberry sensor very useful okay strawberries so after this meeting you will propose a party for our success so if you are vegetarian or you have any options please let us know yeah and we can just eat some strawberry yeah yeah good interesting questions we will see in the financial party if all that is it gets into let us make a party 1st yeah then we can discuss we can with the 5 50000000s we 1st make a party then we can have how much money is left term what a design okay so it is my turn yeah let us see if it is meet the evaluation criteria if you meet the evaluation criterion yeah so evaluation please so you made a very nice prototype and i think we now need all together to try to evaluate it to see if it makes sense to do it if it fulfills our what we wanted to and things like that so next slide please as you know before going and creating in producing these strawberry remote control it is very important to 1st verify if it makes sense if we have a chance to sell it so we need to evaluate it and try to do it in a quantitative way in as much as we can to so what i propose is that we are going to have this scale from one to 7 one meaning that yes it fulfills the the criterion whatever it is and 7 meaning no it does not fulfill at all and well going to list all the criteria i am going to go to that next slide and together try to evaluate this according to this criterion from one to 7 and then we are just going to have an average which will give us the value of our remote control so maybe we can have a look at the criteria so these are the criterion i thought were important of course this can be discussed but let us let us see so let us suppose so we have fancy here and we have this scale from one to 7 we have 4 in the middle so yeah what do you think is it fancy i think that fancy we can say it is fancy it is very very fancy or have you ever seen something have you ever seen something like that i am not the only one yeah of course what do you think feel the weight the weight is later really well the fanciness now i think it is quite fancy yeah we can give at least 5 or 6 no it is one one means it is very fancy and 7 means no so it is one or 2 2 maybe 2 okay so here 2 up then we have technology so what about technology we have speech recognition we have location based it serves we have a cd change color change color i mean that is very yes i think it is a one for that at least a one yeah roblessness still we need to change so let us suppose my daughter take it and throw it away do you think it makes sense that it is going to live again maybe not the prototype let us try 0 my god we just lost one strawberry no no how can i say this yeah we can easily it is still working and your daughter got a bonus a strawberry so it is not so bad i would say 3 yeah that does make sense yeah robust useful well so the question is does it have the minimum requirement of remote control i do not know these buttons are not clear but you have at least next what is the next this is volume control and channel changes it depends on the main and you can do the 2 sides yeah yeah and you can do on lcd using this okay scrolling all the option so for instance because the lcd is not touch control touch screen you cannot go to channel 25 you can by using the directly you go you so the basic here that is simple basic mode is you got just 2 buttons yeah and the jog dial with 2 buttons you do this like volume up down or if you go to the side it is channel up channel down okay and if you want to make to 25 you push on this yeah you can select 20 you select 5 okay it is much longer than tapping to 2 5 no do not you think so i mean okay we can go that is you are right you need to like press 2 and 5 yeah yeah but it is it is nice because people anyway do not go there yeah so what do you think for it useful that seems to be useful yeah we need to address we only address 2 main functions here and the other functions will be on lcd let me understand why i am not sure that is for both these one are 2 directions and button yeah yeah yeah up down or left right and which what is that it is a job down for controlling the cursor on the lcd screen like selected in the menus so in lcd like you will have blocks and you select which one i would say then no it looks useful 2 or 3 yeah 2 or 3 2 okay so size and weight yeah is it the effective size and weight that is it real size real weight or yeah size is almost size is going to be that yeah because it just the weight will be bit lighter because sure was without titanium although it is going to be light it is going to be lighter because this seems to be very heavy i mean for my daughter for instance i am not sure if she can use it but the side should be okay should be okay i will put a 3 for that because i have not seen the weight so i that color and shape ah well so color it seems that we have the several colors for the lcd yeah it is not very clear what is the color of the case the case is silver and titanium yeah it is it is going to be titanium okay okay that is nice let us imagine i think it is good okay and what about the strawberries on the top i am not convinced maybe i am not trendy well you know it is this fruit and vegetable year yeah but they are not useful i think usefulness is as i just have to remind you that usefulness is much less important than fanciness whether it is fancy or not now we have to decide but this i would have found more fancy that the fruit are useful so that the that maybe the fruit may be here yeah you know then it is a bit difficult to use not like this we are just giving the fruits for more fanciness and more but attraction so so maybe i think we can have a rubber or some spongy stuff for strawberries and different colors so it seems we are even so clear the shape i am not sure why if it was like this but it looks really it is not really good it is not fancy anymore so these are kind of rubber things even if you lose one i can just put whatever even we can provide many different colors different different moreover it covers all the angles even if it is you know it is very rounded but still you have got some rubber fruit here and it is completely completely secure to leave it with children okay so you you feel like it is something a protection for the remote control yeah we have sensors here and so here and here also yeah so even if you do not put it works but this is really i suggested 3 because everybody does not seem to be convinced although it is quite you have good arguments but and the last one is adaptive this is not maybe not as important as the other one but can we adapt it to each personal use sure sure just look at it great it is fully adaptable you can fit it into your palm you know what else can we need do you think you are going to be able to do that with titanium yeah it is fudge titanium you know it is fudge yeah yeah fruit titanium you know if this is if you are able to do that then i think it deserves a one okay let us go for one okay now we have to do the average who is good in bad it is 217 okay 217 that is nice 217 out of 7 i think we have a good good thing well that is all i had to say about the evaluation so it is a good evaluation it seems to be good yeah we have 217 yeah okay thanks okay so now it has to fulfill the financial criteria aha so i have a here energy so how many batteries do we need one battery one battery okay so good why 2 0 we just need one i guess say no no never install 2 batteries or one 0 no no no it is one we need only one only one yeah yeah but the price is 2 no no no no no sorry sorry sorry i am sorry yeah you never use an excel no never what is the limit it is okay that i do not no because it is not my field 12 bucks 12 bucks 125 i think check that number also okay electronics we have sample chip it is a simple chip yeah simple cheap okay one yeah for buttons okay and then we have the sample speaker sensor for speech recognition here one also one or 21 okay so the cave so the case which one is it in the end yeah i think we will go for a single it is flat it is flat uncurved i thought you can curve it it is curvable it is curvable but that is not curved maybe there is a supplement for that or one so it is only a curve okay i think the price is this one this okay yeah do not she we tried we tried okay so what is it titanium that is expensive yeah that you wanted futch titanium i think it is 5 let us stick to titan special color why why 3 0 sorry again yeah special color or it is only on the yes in lcd display yeah but there is no color here so i put it here push button so the lcd how many push button 3 or 22 is there the scroll will okay yeah one is one lc display display display and that is not we choose this one and not this one i think no it is is it scroll wheel and push button this center one only a scroll wheel only scroll wheel okay so i am trying to make sure because how do you do to select no but you select with the 2 the other 2 buttons you go on the location with your scroll wheel and then it automatically we can just do like if you it goes stay longer yeah okay special colors yeah for buttons yeah buttons and strawberries special form you you have all of this no she is very hard on this special colors maybe not this one but yeah no special material we have for buttons but buttons are standard buttons it is only buttons yeah so nothing special okay so we are at 178 not special colors i do not understand no the color is in the lcd and the buttons are not colorized i think because we can just go for we can just use this red it is already too expensive so what is are we supposed to cut things out now until we get 12 50 so think of what we can cut here well if i look at what is the the most expensive things it is the lcd and the speaker apparently we have to choose one or the other yeah well as you may know there is some research done in a field of producing energy from mechanical energy i mean producing electricity from mechanical energy so the point is that when you take device and push the button you produce enough energy that you do not you do not need a battery yeah that you do not need a battery so it sounds like hand dynamo but a real high tech version of it so that it is like the hand dynamo maybe the jack will can be like so but if we select the hand dynamo it is okay we only we win one okay that is already that is okay let us do that and i propose to so about chips advanced chip on print so put -one there please i am not sure this is legal why not let us try and maybe -3 no no no so it was a result let us have look it is not changing no yeah you click somewhere you will see if it changes oops yes it does maybe put -2 so it looks more reasonable yeah why not yeah anyway no -one nobody will know it is not recorded is it good okay we are on time good so now we can increase still we are 2 more we can put a hand in a battery and a battery yeah both it is cool no now we are exceed now it is fancy let us add one instead of 2 i think we are exceeding now we have 053 it is better i think the accounting is maximum yeah maximum is maximum so remove one of them yeah okay okay we are on target yeah okay so target reached i am just curious to see this 0 i am going to print it is english trick yeah i would say it is the russian trick but the mark twice is english 0 i do not know strange origins i am not sure who was programming this calculator you know i wonder if we put a or b somewhere instead of a number let us try no no no let us finish the meeting instead we can discuss all these things in our party what else okay so next no no that is yours okay so finance that is done are the cost under 12 yes project evaluation good okay so now project process we have to make a self assessment yeah see how are we a good team yeah i think we have listened to everybody everybody could say what they thought and is there enough room for creativity yeah yeah and you when we see the results there is no doubt okay project evaluation maybe a lack of leadership maybe not teamwork very strong yeah our team work is really strong means white board digital pens 0 these are things what was though yeah what was good everything yeah i think whiteboard is useful digital pens useful new id found so you say leadership luck okay so luck but good but in play good team yeah but and then i had a good leader you know good leader it is somewhere in the shade and that is true and there is one very important point we are on time yeah and you also finish when they have to are even before we made that for meeting it is one of the most important thing of course okay not to waste time yeah we have other remote controls to create we have got new ideas speech recognition location finding a lot of new materials new materials new fancy strawberry design new ways of doing finance just wondering my new things the pinkness of that they are working on a pink titanium good i think we are great no other words for that we are probably the best real reaction yeah we are really nice yeah okay finish i think it is a celebration are the cost we need the budget yeah yeah yeah is the project evaluated yeah it is we got 2 so you see we can not even forecast all the day like celebration everything we could forecast it right to whom to the whole company i am the one proposing the celebration you know i am the program manager okay so let us celebrate you do you know i think the meeting is over yeah so we can this we have to we can this go out okay we go to the party yeah yeah thank you thank you nice job we can keep that we can keep that right" ]

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[ "okay all set welcome to the conceptual design meeting okay yes the agenda the opening i will again be the secretary and make minutes take minutes and it will be 3 presentations just like the last meeting so who wants to start off technical designer again again okay yeah before we begin it i want to say i have i have put the minutes of the 2nd meeting in the shared folder but they are still not quite okay it it still some technical difficulties so the the 1st part of the minutes are very hard to read because there are 2 documents that were layered over each other okay so but from now on i will not use my pen anymore so will be p just ordinary keyboard may be better yeah keyboard work i think it will yeah will be more easy for you to read the minutes yeah alright okay when we talk about components design it is really about the material and the and really the stuff we build the remote controls of a remote control consist of components and the components of a remote control consist of properties and material we have to choose th these wisely and it could affect a kind of grow of in in buying the remote controls the components of a remote control are of course the case the properties of the case it has to be solid in hard material like hard plastic with soft rubber for falling and and yeah it feels good in your hand the buttons has to be solid too and the material is soft rubber i have got a email from the possibilities of real reaction they are telling me that when we build a remote control of of plastic or rubber the buttons have to be rubber too it is okay yeah i when we use a rubbled a doubled curved case we must use a rubber push buttons to the the rubber double curved case is a is a t 3 dimensional curve in the in the design which is necessary when we want to be trendy 0 the energy source i have got a lot of possibilities for that too the basic battery which i thi prefer because of its its non non depending of of of here you have to have a hand yeah kinetic energy also in this one like in the watches but a remote control can lie on a table for a day and then you push a button and so you do not have to walk with it all the all the time solar cells are also a bit weird for remote controls also the case material i think that plastic is the is the best with rubber because wood or titanium would also be a bit weird 0 titanium is probably trendy i think that is true i guess yeah well maybe a little bit expensive i do not know huh they do not tell anything about the cost of titanium the chip the chip set and the board is all off the shelf also the speaker in the remote control when we want to retrieve it the base station is also off the shelf all the materials and the components are just available in in our factory i have told about the 31st points the simple electronical chip is is available with the led transmitter transmitter it is all off the shelf and even the speaker and the wireless retriever are all available in our company another possibility i yeah i looked up on was the l c d displays could be something special to our remote control and it is possible but it only cost a bit more but maybe it can be within the limits of €25 125 ah yeah actually yeah yeah production cost i th i got an email with some examples and it these were were the most trendiest one you see a covers which can be what are those t tooth brushes or so i do not know but it is actually kind of well it resembles the design i had in mind for this proj you know the the cartoonish alessi kind of design i yes yep yes maybe we can bri bring a couple of couple of types of maybe a kind of whole and we can we can steal their ideas a whole set of different remote controls maybe we can bring a whole line with huh with a huge variety of well it is a possibility too house stuff different colors also like maybe radios and television also in this in this in the same style but yeah that will be for the future i guess okay yeah yes because we have to we have to we have to bring the logo and all the stuff back into it next time we are here yeah 0 okay yeah definitely okay okay thank you alright yeah that is okay ah well i shall go to the next slide i still do not have any information about user requirements i was thinking about just the basic functions and i got 0 we decided upon that in the last meeting yeah but but then wh i do not know when there are new user requirements did not we 0 okay i ha i ha i have the i have well tha i did not receive any new requirements or somethi just no but we decided to use only b basic functions only nothing well i have here a couple of basic functions i could think of okay i dunno if they are maybe a little bit more but well we maybe we can think of that later yeah w just these are the ones you already summed up in the yeah i i well i pointed them out here just to make it a little bit easier okay another function is of course we already discuss it on the side i do not know what costs of it i have no idea about it i was also looking for what you said for i got an email about l c d in in in front of the remote control i do not know if that is a good idea or maybe it is a little bit too much for 125 production yeah huh if we got already something like a base that might get redundant also maybe i do not know what kind of information it would yeah i do not know i d i ju i was just thinking about it yeah then i got a pop ups to go to the meeting yeah yeah it is okay maybe we can bring t teletext to the t to the remote control but the remote control then you and then you have got a flag s very big r c a little too a little bit okay that is not yeah a little bit too big i think it was not a good idea exactly okay yeah well the functions are are not more to discuss i think no it is it is just the base things we already discussed that the no v c r or that kind of so that is very easy no no but you do mention the next and previous button next channel previous channel well that is next channel 0 okay 0 okay okay i mean next channel 0 i i got an email with with an a remote control with a base huh so it is just an idea and i thinked of the button sizes and i am not sure if they have to be big or just small but you are the expert i think it depends on the function well i am not a e i am the expert for user friendly but not for trendiness maybe it well if you save perhaps s tiny buttons are not user friendly then we would not im implement that of course well okay that is your point yeah yeah okay yeah i have nothing to s well w when we only use basic functions we have the possibility to make the buttons larger 0 that is right with a little bit larger yeah yeah i thought so but maybe with the well i think we already agreed upon the fact that the the the skip buttons and the cha and the volume buttons th th those 2 have yeah they have to be large yeah that groups i mean th th the the 22 basic buttons you know the to skip channels and to large yeah yep i think yeah i do not know why but i think that is that is t trendy too because that is the mo it it you know most the most used buttons those are probably the the th it is acc acc accentu how do you say it it puts an extra accent on the the on the simplicity of our remotes to j to make these 2 most basic functions extra big like t yes true yeah those are probably the b 4 most most used buttons on the th in the remote control yeah you did the research and you want to acc accentuate that you know yeah it is from your research sorry yeah sure so okay that was all y personal preference i did not have i did not had any time left okay so yeah no that is coo it is cool you do not care no sorry yeah 0 go away come on it is there yeah click on it couple time 0 great well i have done some research again about trends on the internet i have done some investigation and well i got some information from fashion watchers from paris and milan some some findings the most important thing is fancy look and feel of the remote control well we were going to imply that so that is nice the 2nd important thing is innovative technology in the r c our market really likes really likes that and the 3rd point there in this order if of importance the 3rd point is a high ease of use and well for the idea i have put some trends for the market of elderly people dark colors simple recognizable shapes so we probably will not do that the younger market likes well the themes of of this year are surprisingly fruits and vegetables and spongy material i found this image which is well it symbolizes the idea of fruits and vegetables i do not see the spongy part in it but with a little bit of fancy well maybe c then we have to do something with sponge bob then exactly i got some ideas well yeah pictures is not really good word but some symbols of fruits or vegetables maybe catchy colors fruit is yellow green red whatever so remote controls in in catchy colors it does not stroke with the with the dark colors no we do not want dark colors not the dark colors okay no i just put them there to yeah for general idea okay and the docking saint i think the spongy material is is very irritating for the remote control itself but to yeah the to implement some spongy thing maybe we can do it in the in the docking station at the bottom of the docking station or whatever and we could bring one line with a dark color to p yeah v how do you say for diversity or something yeah also a bit for elderly people who are a little bit crazy and want maybe want a little younger design but still the dark color well how i mean it it it reaches a different market but it it it does not cost really much effort to b to bring like a black r c on the market or whatever yes but how do we use fruits and vegetables in christ is sake with remote control no but i i i think that our design already resembles so a piece of fruit yeah there is there is always a make it a banana it is like a pear or something well there there is always empty space of course on a remote control i mean i think this part of the r c well the upper the upper part or whatever is is not not used with buttons i guess no i do not think you have to do it like so you you can put some fruity things yeah but it that does not have to remind you you know like explicitly of s our f of a of a specific piece of fruit no of course not but just you know like the the the the round curves and so y i i think this y it already sem resembles something like a pear to me or something especially i yeah but th yeah but that yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah but that is if we make it little bit greenish yeah you do get the idea eh the fruity kind of round kay yeah a and we could use one of these for the w what is it yeah yeah i do not know grapes is not this is a b yeah wha whatever but d do not we need a creative artist or something like that to m make it to feel like a a a a vegetable or fruit yeah yeah of course we have yeah sure yeah we have a very big the s well w we can w we can we can produce multiple multiple things for a big team of artists of d design team yeah this is then the pear i do not know the english word so forget it yeah but it is pear i guess and maybe yeah a b a banana is is n not easy for a remote control but m yeah but but i think we do not have to make we can not make all 10 designs no we have to make one design i th i i think no but i think it is it is already what we were were up to mayb maybe 2 or 3 yeah it is it does not have to resemble what i already said yeah a specific piece of fruit but just you know like a fruity thing going on no sure but but b but that is great and and and what i was what what i was saying the catchy colors and it is it looks fruity to me and but i do like the yeah i do like the f to the idea of making a a y a catchy color design and a d because i do i think a dark color would be nice too yeah but pictures of fruit vegetables vegetables maybe it is too much you know but we we have to there have to be the the the the firm colors our own colors has to be in it yeah not really pictures was a was a bad word but okay but what are the this is yellow well we c yeah yellow a real reaction yes you can put a logo on top of it yeah sure but i do not think our our company colors are this fashionable yeah maybe we can if if we got our docking station over here we f yes it is really fruity i can not draw with this thing but i will try a yellow do if this is our docking station we can make our logo over here yeah it does not work and then yeah and the button then with a strawberry on top yeah on n on the bottom of the remote you can do well the button button over here or whatever i do not know okay yeah on the front of course because else you can not find it okay well that were my ideas a little bit i will close em down okay go away okay you can you open the conceptual design presentation conceptual design yes see what was on the agenda lazy the agenda this is his own remote because maybe we can start with the technical functions yeah but i do not think it is there yeah do we want to use an l c d display for example well it is nice of course only if we but i do not i do not know what to display on it me neither maybe maybe we can make a t v guide on it for the channel you are on i mean yeah but it should be li like this big and i do not think yeah but it is so no no only the t v channel with the with with 4 programs i do not think we should do it you can zap through them with the page up page down button yes sure but it it has to to show an entire title of a program or at least a q a quite quite large part of it and then you get a very large l c d screen yes it can on your no on your mobile phone you can y you can read text also because so why not on your remote yeah but no yeah i do not know i do i think it is a bit redundant actually and it is also not i do not th even think it it looks s like sexy or something it is well well what would you display on it then program information or or or or g or a guide program information but is it is not that a already on t v a lot of new t v s but on t on teletext yes also on the internet well a lot a lot of t v s indeed show when you zap to a but but you are already watching the t v you are not going to watch your remote control yeah yes but you also want to know what is next but then we also w need to bring out a line of t v s which we were planning to but whatever yeah and we also have to yeah because the t v has to send information back to the r c and i do not know if that is possible yes that is really possible yes yes 0 of course it is possible but you got to implement it in the t v s and i do not think everyone is going to buy a real reaction t v within a month after the release of our remote control and i also i really understand you want to make your job more exciting by putting an l c d in it but i i really do not think it is a good n goo because it also does not stroke with we wanted c when we talk about the materials it is a good idea to use these plastic materials with soft rubber stuff on it it was our idea you know to give it a more sturdy look and that you ca like you can throw with it yeah but i do not think a l c d display fits in that image you know it is like more vulnerable and it adds nothing really you know that is true that is true it breaks f yeah it it it is not very solid it is frag fragile yeah yeah you could make it but it is just it it does not i do not think it it is coherent with the design we are after no no i do not think so ei either but that is my opinion well you you y okay we can vote for it you want the l c d display no i do not want to and he does not so it is up to him ah if we want to yeah i dunno and i have read somewhere that i have got some kind of veto veto rights 0 okay bastard so i can also say we can you away but did we skip the yeah you could do m but what what i so what i but do you think we should yeah i do not know i i if it is it is a simple p we are not even sure what what information we want to display on it no that that is right and i also have to think about new functions maybe buttons or something like that to control it no so kind of l c d or something or y yes you can use buttons w that are already on the remote control for double functions yeah i guess but how does it display then w when i go to the 2nd channel what what does it show me then you push a button the title and the information about the program about that program but but yeah what he said was right about the televisions they have to be customized to the nah that is not going to work but maybe in future it will be a giant hit and when you are the 1st no yeah you have the biggest 0 well i have seen it done before do you know th like the the bigger rem universal remotes they have d l c d displays yeah but then it is very functional to indicate which what device you are controlling so it is that that is what i have seen yeah that is true if you yeah yes you can put a little l c d display on it with with lots of information but it just it j it does not does not match with the our whole basic concept but i have not thought about it but whe but when you put a a a transparent plastic screen on top of it it i it is not vulnerable well yeah yeah okay you can throw with it and that is maybe not the most important but it is just is it fashion when when you put maybe a color l c d t screen on it it is very special and very trendy to have a remote control from i do not think so i do not know that is not up to you that is up to market if i if it is trendy yeah well do you ha do you have to you have not looked after the trendiness of l c d displays have you no because our our motto is we put fashion well i think it is i think it is pretty trendy to be honest but i do not know if if if well i am coming back to the costs again but i think we got to build a b pretty cheap design to to stay within our limits and i think especially color l c d which is indeed pretty trendy but i do not think i think it will be too expensive but i have got a the email with with the possibilities and l c d was a possibility for the remote control yeah yeah yeah so why do not we use it did it say a price also for for monogramme l c d or colored l c d yeah but we are going to if it yeah if you want to be trendy you have to be colored colored yeah really if y if you c i if you have black and white or something or gray that is i in in 2004 you can not put something on the market which is a monogramme then then you better do not yeah d really no but it does not sa say anything about a color or but i alf i also got a possibility to put a scroll button on it but i really do not feel the whole idea of an l c d display i did not think that i am sorry it can not co you cannot convince me i do not know how well how to with you guys but i do not really feel it we already we are yeah we already have the the th th th base station gadgets it is too much maybe with with the l c d and the docking station and yeah and want and it do it has to be a simple design which sturdy which soft yes but 0 on the w we have we have got to find a balance of course with one thing special and i think not a whole package of specialty i do not think i j and really i do not see how the the l c d display is going to add anything you know on a design level i think it is slicker to have no l ceds no when y y we want to it is simplicity but it look w you have 2 big buttons and you can do whatever you want with these 2 buttons so you do not need an l c d yes but that remote controls are already on the market it does not fit in our philosophy behind the whole remote the simple yes but but when you want to have something special yeah but we already have the docking station which is yes but you had a picture of it from another company we have a pear and the it has to be developed but no but it that is that is our that is our killer feature yeah it is just an it is just an idea that is our what makes it special it is a it is yes it was already made tha the remote control on the docking station yeah we are going to develop our own r n docking station true is that so was it it was not just a prototype yes he have a picture of it well i yeah i dunno exactly i have never seen it in a store but re we really have to cut this off i re i know you i i i i i get the idea you really like it you know the the l c d thing but i i think it is it is not a good idea and we have already mentioned all the arguments i do not do you guys agre how do you guys think i d no it is too much i think it is a little too much yeah it is overdone okay we s skip the l c d display okay okay i am sorry maybe you can do something if we are at your own place or make it make it make it happen in your basement or something democratically no mayb i will rule the world with it but probably so yeah yeah yeah yeah okay but for the technical part the m material i think it was a good idea to use the plastic and the rubber yes maybe a bit of a cushion is yeah yeah yeah p exactly this is what it w yeah but it it was already what we are we are after yeah for the spongy feel yes with a spongy bob feel yeah you know to give it you know the soft touch in your hands and also to yeah know like yeah that is y the b airbag kind of thing like a b yes you can saint throw it at your little brother is head yeah airbag yeah you just can drop it yeah if you drop it if you drop it the airbag comes out yeah yeah yeah no no no not that comfy maybe it but then we have to look that it w will not be too childish to see yeah yeah yeah okay that is a that is a good point and that is why i like the dark t colonel dark color bit you know yeah because it may be the design it is maybe it is a bit of the but not black i think it is a bit 90s maybe what we are what we are up to rat fun to this point no well if if it is fruit and vegetables it have to be colorful yeah that is that is true but but it has to be a little big solid yeah b yeah that is what w i i was pointing at but can we ge it must not be too n you know th too overwhelming then when you put it on your just can we combine it or something with yellow and black yeah yeah maybe so make it a bee what a bee 0 a bee 0 no i do not like the yellow and black combination but it is our company colors yes real real good colors apparently yeah it is our yeah yeah we we have to use yellow i do not like yellow and maybe i do not know well we can as as i but that is not really fruity draw really nicely over there we can put the logo on our on our base station yeah and maybe very very tiny on the remote control itself but but i okay but what what are other tef technical things we have to discuss fronts of the we can have different fronts of the should we do that telephone i do not think you we should do that maybe just bring it out in different colors but not af that you can switch fronts afterwards that is also too much different fronts yeah i guess that is that is enough people do not want to spend more money on their remote control i guess that is way too nokia yeah you can you can l let choose the customer which color he wants yeah are these designs yeah yeah yeah definitely yeah 33 or 44 colors or something like that just bring more designs on the market but without gon okay why not yeah so are we through the technical part then yes okay so we agreed upon n well not u unanimously or how you call it but yeah it this a real young young and dynamic styles well yeah the 3 to one that is the materials you mentioned in your your personal preferences were all were quite okay yes 00 only only the last point your no titanium is not not out of question i guess and tita titanium is is is it a no yes is but also w it is just like that th this titanium yes b bu but when we use s soft but is it possible to use both the the plastic and so soft things and t p titanium as well sure makes it in a homogeneous design no not all not all of them but it it then it you can not throw it it it will make a huge noise or break other stuff when you throw with titanium with your remote control it will it will break other stuff w when it is plastic as well no yeah titanium is a bit it is a bit harder yeah that is true no but you should ma yeah but also on the colors the young okay think of the possibilities and make it in completely titanium well would it be more trendy more chic yeah i think it i think it does i think titanium nowadays is way more often used than plastic yes but a titanium remote control when you are watching t v or your hands are a little bit sweaty and the in trendy things yeah 0 on the other hand if you want to make fruit fruity stuff with yeah it is cold in the winter yes yeah but i i really like the idea of the the the plastic and the big kind of thing yeah but the question is i then it is you know is is it fits in our s philosophy to make it sturdy and simple and know like yeah that is true that is true sports and gaming when you make it titanium it becomes more like some kind of gadget you actually do not need define and when it is big and plastic it is like some fun stuff you can always have around it is always fun to have something big and plastic around yes you have that m p 3 player of nike i saw yeah is not that titanium with a little bit of rubber yes it is w but it is plastic is not it is plastic well it is titanium looking yes w we can do that on the on the what yeah he is here he is the i do not know if you know the m p 3 player of nike kay that that is very with rubber so it is very 0 yeah okay yeah yeah that is beautiful yeah i see we can make this as a style too yeah but but but rough this is just a 0 maybe th maybe this is an yeah i th i think that is difficult because that is different material and then you got to have like 2 material lines of of of no we c we can make it from the same kind of plastic yeah if it is just a color which you which you change then i guess it is it is nice to have one of these no i do like the idea of maybe a t titanium kind type of body w and then with s plastic colouration around it you know like the the soft stuff but i do not know if it is possible yeah i do not have the information i i did not got it but you can not make the plastic give the ti titanium look true yes but make it just like shiny yeah yeah true maybe we should shou like the m p 3 player yeah maybe that is good idea yeah but if you want to la yeah last longer than 2 weeks or something like that you can maybe yeah and and maybe we sh should we t i do not know if we should talk about how how much time have we got left in a lot of other i do not know what time does 40 minutes in a lot of other product categories like even in b in bags industry they began with t typical leather bags but then they became stylish with all all si all sort of colors and w kind of fon of of fronts like we can use on the telephone and it yeah okay like eastpack began a revolution with it with all this kind of bags and and colors and and you putting in different colors yes and and styles okay they have also a kind of roses on it a and yeah yeah okay yeah but w yeah well it is it is a possibility but let us think about the bas then we can always use the same design for a greater resemblance but with new with new colors new yes yes new prints on it yep but wha th our basic idea y i mean you going to we are probably going to have like 2 type of materials like the d d b the plastic enclosure and then the the pads that surround it and and pro and lights we have to incorporate the lights too but do w going to going to are we going to give it a 2 tone color look like the the plastic mold is in in one color and the s the cushion pads around it are in another color is that the idea is that a good idea how do you mean th th the base in a in another the rubber how many colors are we how many colors are we going to we are f f only 5 minutes left by the way yes how many colors are we going to give it like 2 tone color there there are 3 components 3 components type t yeah no not too much i think you have the buttons the the case itself and the rubber and th how the buttons yeah i think maybe the case itself should be in one color and then the rubber of the buttons and the cushions as well should be in another color yes or you just make one color maybe with a a z a kind of like a big wave or something like yeah okay but not more than well yeah it is no in in another color not more than 2 colors i think no definitely not it is a g a little bit too flashy maybe we should talk about it on a l in a later meeting yes definitely yeah or or when you use the buttons as black it you can use 2 colors as well okay but we have to think of some other important things 0 yeah the the functionalities of the the buttons the funct yeah i was i was thinking about th the saint do we still want a joystick idea no no i think that is too vulnerable yeah i think this is okay the so we have the basic then we have the numbers we have the power button we have we have a teletext button the volume teletext and and maybe want to access a a menu or something yeah but that is that is i was thinking that has got to be on the television most t v s have a menu yeah but i think you ha i really need a menu button yeah yeah yeah yeah b that is just i the only button only yeah but wha what kind of menu you know i is is not that different from every television no i think most t v s have an a menu nowadays to access the screen settings yeah if it is c if and so yeah i think it is okay to to add a menu button for and if the t v does not have a menu then but that that covers all the all the other settings it covers everything then but then you have to put up and down and left and right yeah yeah you can put that on the 284 and 6 or whatever no you can use the and you al can also use the normal skip buttons for that okay th in that way we have like only the numbers the power button skip and volume and then 10 rem yeah mute yeah a mute and a teletext and a menu mute a teletext and a menu and then then i that is it that is all it is all we need yeah okay another stuf some stuff about the the the design of the docking station great yeah okay that is not mu not much functions so something important about a s no which sh should remind us of the remote itself i guess yeah definitely in one color are we going to do something with the spongy thing there just use i think the spongy thing already comes forward in the in the in the cushions pads and things on the s side yeah that is true that is true and we will make it spongy and and and well the fruity thing is just the shape should be fru i did i think this is kind of fruity you know just round shapes with yeah it is kinda fruity and with th with catchy colors w yeah but we are going to have to we really have to think i think colors is very important because it has to be flashy but and but it d it does not have to be annoying that when you know some things is just over the top and when you have it on your table for more than 2 weeks you it just gets annoying because it is so big and flashy yeah definitely it has to be some level of subtlety but we have to still have to think of how we manage to to get to that yeah okay okay guess we are through then i guess so okay but we i think also we just so we have to do something with color but also i i think we have to keep the dark color thing in mind i think that is adds to the too much color maybe m yes yeah too much color i it when you got it in a living room it is too much maybe but our des design experts will work that out yea yeah it has to be okay well i think the meeting will be over within a minute yep yeah so we will wrap up something like that or is there anything we would like to discuss i guess not that is right okay do you guys no no okay well you will read the minutes in the you can find them in the pro probably in the shared folder 0 okay yeah yeah no for su for sure because i am will now type them out what are we going to do now y yeah you will see in you email i guess yeah i think yeah i do not know i do not know i hope so and the other thing is that you do not have kind of prototype or something like that you see a kinda prototype you can a little bit more i will make one in the next 20 minutes yeah construct one yeah but toilet paper roll and with you laptop yeah okay 0 my god alright shall we get back to work yep great i was waiting for the l last message but well you are yeah we are not bastard back to the pen you lazy yeah" ]

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[ "i am hi you are late you are late so me okay all set welcome to the conceptual design meeting the agenda the opening i will again be the secretary and make minutes take minutes and there will be 3 presentations just like the last meeting so who wants to start off technical designer again okay before we begin i want to say i have put the minutes of the 2nd meeting in the shared folder but they are still not quite okay it is still some technical difficulties so the 1st part of the minutes are very hard to read because there are 2 documents that were layered over each other okay but from now on i will not use my pen anymore it will be just ordinary keyboard keyboard work i think it will be more easy for you to read the minutes all right okay when we talk about components design it is really about the material and really the stuff we build the remote controls of remote control consists of components and the components of remote control because of properties and material we have to choose these wisely and it could affect a kind of kind of a kind of growth in buying the remote controls the components of remote control are of course the case the properties of the case are it has to be solid hard material like hard plastic with soft rubber for falling and it feels good in your hand the buttons has to be solid too and the material is soft rubber i have got an email from the possibilities of real reaction they are telling me that when we build a remote control of plastic or rubber the buttons have to be rubber too let us go when we use a rubber d doubled curved case you must use rubber push buttons to the rubber double curved case is a 3 dimensional curve in the design which is necessary and we want to be trendy the energy source i have got a lot of possibilities for that too the basic battery which i prefer because of its non depending of of of here you have to have hand kinetic energy also in this one like in the one like in the watches but remote control can lie on the table for a day and then you push a button and so you do not have to work with it all the time solar shells are also a bit weird for remote controls also the case material i think plastic is the best with rubber because wood because of wood or titanium would also be a bit weird 0 titanium is probably trendy i think that is true i guess yeah that may be a little bit expensive i do not know i do not tell anything about the cost of titanium the chip the chips says the chipset and the board is all off the shelf also the speaker in the remote control when we want to retrieve it the base station is also off the shelf all the materials and components are just available in our factory i have told about the the 31st points the simple electronic chip is available with the lead transmitter it is all off the shelf and even the speaker and the wireless retriever are all available in our company another possibility i looked upon was the lcd this place could be something special to our remote control and it is possible but it only cost a bit more but maybe it can be within the limits of €25 12 and half actually i have got an email with some examples and these were the most trendiest one you see covers which can be what are those tooth brushes i do not know but it is actually kind of well it resembles the design i have in mind for this one you know the cartoonish a lessee kind of design yes maybe we can bring a couple of types of maybe a kind of whole a whole set of different remote controls maybe we can bring a whole line with a huge variety of houses like maybe radios and television also in the same style yeah that will be for the future i guess because we have to bring the logo and all the stuff back into it yeah definitely okay thank you can i yeah that is okay well i shall go to the next slide i still do not have any information about user requirements i was thinking about just the basic functions and i got 0 you decided upon that in the last meeting yeah but then i do not know when there are new user requirements 0 okay i did not receive any new requirements any new requirements or something nothing no we decided to use only basic functions i have here a couple of basic functions i could think of okay i do not know if there maybe a little bit more well we maybe we can think of that later yeah these are the ones you already summed up in the yeah i well i pointed them out here just to make it a little bit easier another function is of course we already discussed it on the site i do not know what cost of it no idea but i was also looking for what you said for i got an email about lcd in front of the remote control i do not know if that is a good idea of maybe it is a little bit too much for 125 production if we got already something like a base bit redundant also maybe i do not know what kind of yeah i do not know i just i was just thinking about it and they got a pop up maybe we can bring teletext to the remote control they have got like a little bit very big rc yeah a little bit too big actually okay okay okay well the functions are not more to discuss it it is just the base things we already discussed that no vcr or that kind of so that is very easy but you do mention a next and previous button well that is next channel 0 i mean my next channel 0 yeah i got an email with a remote control with a base so it is just an idea and i think of the button sizes and i am not sure if they have to be big or just small but you are i think it depends on the function well i am not the expert for user friendly but not for trendiness maybe well if you say perhaps tiny buttons are not user friendly then we would not implement that of course well that is your point yeah yeah okay yeah i have nothing to no that is right when we only use basic functions we have the possibility to make the buttons larger with a little bit larger yeah i thought so but maybe with the well i think we already agreed upon the fact that the skip buttons and the volume buttons those 2 they have to be large i mean the 2 basic buttons you know to skip channels yeah yeah i think yeah i do not know why but i think that is that is very because it is you know it is it is ex accent how do you say it puts an extra accent on the on the on the simplicity of our remotes to make these 2 most basic functions extra big those are probably the 4 most used buttons on the remote you want to accentuate that it is from your research yeah sure okay that was all personal preference i did not have at any time left no you do not care no sorry yeah it is out yours yeah go away it is there yeah click on it 0 great i have done some research again about trends on the internet i have done some investigation and i got some information from fashion watchers from paris and milan some findings the most important thing is a fancy look and feel of the remote control well we were going to imply that so that is nice the 2nd important thing is innovative technology in the rc our market really likes that and the 3rd point there in this order of importance the 3rd point is a high ease of use and well for the idea i have put some trends for the the markets of elderly people dark colors simple recognizable shapes so we probably will not do that the younger markets like the themes of this year are surprisingly fruits and vegetables and spongy material i found this image which is well it symbolizes the idea of fruits and vegetables do not see the sponge part in it but with a little bit of fantasy maybe we have to do something with sponge well exactly i got some ideas well yeah pictures is not really good word but some symbols of fruits or vegetables maybe catchy colors fruit is yellow green red whatever so remote controls in catch colors no we do not want dark colors no i just put them there for a general idea and the darking i think a spongy material is very irritating for the remote control itself but to implement some spongy thing maybe we can do it in the docking station at the bottom of the docking station or whatever and we could bring one line with a dark color to yeah how do you say for diversity or something yeah also a bit for elderly people who are a little bit crazy and want maybe want a little younger design but still the dark color i mean it reaches a different market but it does not cause really much effort to bring like a black rc on the market or whatever but how do we use fruits and vegetables in christ christ is sake with remote i think our design already resembles a piece of fruit there is always empty space of course on a remote control i mean i think this part of the rc well i do not think you have to do it the upper part or whatever is not used with buttons i guess so you can put some fruity things it does not have to remind you you know like explicitly or no of course piece of fruit but just you know like the the the round curves and so i think this especially it already resembles something like a beer to me or something yeah exactly yeah make it a little bit greenish you get the idea the yeah round and we could use one of these for the yeah what is it yeah i do not know great yeah what we need a creative artist or something like that to yeah yeah of course we have a vegetable or fruit we have a very big we can a very big team of artists we can produce multiple things this is then the i do not know the english word forget it it is a pair i guess and maybe but i think we do not have to make not easy for remote control but we can not make all 10 designs we have to make one design i think but i think it is already what we were up to yeah it does not have to resemble what i already said a specific piece of fruit but just you know like a fruity thing going on but that is great and what i was saying the catchy colors yeah i do like the idea of making a catchy color design because i do i think a dark color would be nice too yeah pictures of fruit maybe it is too much you know but we have to not just pictures there have to be the firm colors our own okay what are the yellow yellow a real reaction you can put the logo on top of it i do not think our company colors are this fashionable maybe we can if we got our docking station over here i can draw with this thing but i will try if this is our docking station we can make our logo over here it does not work and then yeah and the button then with a strawberry on the yeah on the bottom of the remote the button over here or whatever i do not know okay yeah on the front of course because else you can find it well that were my ideas a little bit i will close them down go away can you open the conceptual design presentation yes see what was on the agenda lazy the agenda decision is on remote because maybe we can start with the technical functions but i do not think is there yeah do we want to use an lcd display for example well it is nice but i do not i do not know what to display on it maybe we can make a tv guide on it for the channel your own yeah but yeah it should be like this big and i do not think i do not think we should do it with a with a with a with a with a 4 programs you can zap through them with the page up page down button yes sure but it has to to show an entire title of a program or at least a quite yes quite large part of it and then you get a very large lcd screen on your mobile phone you can you can read text also so why not on your remote never i think it is a bit redundant and it is also not i do not even think it looks like sexy or something what you display on internet program information or a guide on tv a lot of new tv on teletext yes also on the internet a lot of tvs in the show when you but you are already watching a tv you are not going to watch your remote control yes but you also want to know what is next but then we also need to bring out a line of tvs which we were planning to but whatever it is because the tv has to send information back to the rc and i do not know if that is possible yes that is really possible yes yes of course it is possible but you have got to implement it in the tvs and i do not think everyone is going to buy a real reaction tv within a month after the release of our remote i really understand you want to make your job more exciting but i really do not think it is a good because it also does not stroke with you we want to the when we talk about the materials it is a good idea to use these plastic materials with the soft rubber stuff on it it was our idea you know to give it a more sturdy look and that you can throw with it but i do not think an lcd display fits in that image you know it is like more vulnerable and it adds nothing really you know it breaks yeah it is not very solid it is yeah you can make it but it is just it does not i do not think it is coherent with the design we are after no i do not think so i do not well it is my opinion okay we can vote for it you want you you you okay we can vote for it you the lcd display i do not want to and he does not so it is up to him i have read somewhere that i have got some kind of veto veto rights so i can also say we can vote you away so what but do you think we should we are not even sure what information we want to display no that is right and i also have to think about new functions maybe buttons or something like that to control that kind of lcd or something yeah i guess you can use the buttons that are already on the remote control but how does it display then and then you press your button when i go to the 2nd channel what does it show me the title and information about the program about that program but what he said was right about the televisions they have to be customized to that it is not going to work but maybe in future it will be a giant hit and when you are the 1st you have the biggest you know like the bigger universal remotes they have lcd displays but then it is very functional to indicate with what device you are controlling that is what i have seen yeah you can put a little lcd display on it with lots of information but i have not thought about it it does not match with our whole basic concept but when you put a transparent plastic screen on top of it it is not vulnerable no no that is maybe not the most important but it is just is it fashion i do not think so when you put maybe a color lcd screen on it it is very special and very trendy to have a remote withdrawal that is up to the market if it is trendy yeah what do you have you looked after the trendiness of lcd this way because our motto is we put it very special to be honest but i do not know if i am coming back to the costs again but i think we have got to build a pretty cheap design to stay within our limits and i think especially color lcd which is indeed pretty trendy but i do not think i think it will be too expensive but i have got the email with the with the possibility and lcd was a possibility for the remote control so why do not we use it i did it say price also for a monogram lcd or colored lcd yeah if you want to be when you have to be colored yeah really if you if you have black and white or something or gray then you then you are going to do it in 2004 you can not put something on the market which is monochrome really no but it does not say say anything about the color or but i also got the possibility to put a scroll button on it but i did not really do not feel the whole idea of an lcd display i am sorry you can not convince me i do not know how it is with you guys but i do not really feel it we already we are watch maybe yeah we all really have the base station gadgets and we want it has to be a simple design which yes but on the we have got to find a balance of course and i think not a whole package of speciality and really i do not see how the lcd display is going to add anything on a design level i think it is no slicker to have no it is it is simplicity you have 2 big buttons and you can do whatever you want with these 2 buttons you do not need an lcd that remote controls are already on the market it does not does not fit in our philosophy behind the whole remote yes but when you want to have something special we already have the docking station which is yeah but we had a picture of it from another company it has to be developed no but that is our it is just an idea that is our yes it was already made the remote control on the docking station is that some yes yeah it was do i have a prototype yeah i do not know exactly i have never seen it in a store we really have to cut this off i mean i guess the idea you really like it you know the lcd thing but i think it is not a good idea and we have already mentioned all the arguments do you guys how do you guys think no it is too much i think it is a little too much yeah it is overdone okay we skip the lcd okay okay i am sorry maybe you can do something at your own place or make it happen in your basement or something and i will rule the world with it yeah yeah yeah yeah okay but for the technical part the material i think it was a good idea to use the plastic and the rubber yes maybe a bit of cushion is yeah yeah exactly yeah it is what we are after you know to give it the soft touch you know the soft touch in your hands and also you know like yeah this is the air back kind of thing yes yeah you just drop it throw it at your little brother is if you drop it the air back comes out yeah no no maybe but then we have to look that it will not be too childish to see yeah yeah okay that is that is a good and that is why i like the dark color bit you know yeah because maybe the design it is a bit of but not black i think it is a bit in 90s maybe what we are up to right from this point if it is fruit and vegetables it has to be colorful yeah that is true but it has to be a little bit subtle it must not be too overwhelming when you put it in a can we combine it or something with yellow and black yeah maybe so make it a bee what 0 a bee no i do not like to yellow on that combination but it is our company colors yeah it is our good colors yeah we have to use yellow i do not like yellow well we can as i but that is not really fruity draw really nicely over there we can put the logo on our base station yeah and maybe very very tiny on the remote control itself okay but what are other technical things we have to discuss fronts we can have different fronts of the should we do that i do not think we should do that maybe just bring it out in different colors but not after you can switch fronts afterwards it is also too much people do not want to spend more money on the remote control i guess you can choose the customer which color he wants yeah yeah definitely yeah just bring more design for the 4 colors without going okay so are we through the technical part then yes okay so we agreed upon well not you know yeah this is a real young young and dynamic the materials you mentioned in your your personal preferences were all quite okay titanium is it no titanium no it is just like it is titanium yes but when we use the plastic and soft things and titanium as well sure makes it in a homogeneous design but then you can throw with it it will make a huge noise or break other stuff when you throw with a titanium it will break other stuff stuff with your remote control no titanium is a bit but also on the colors okay think of the possibility to make it completely titanium what would it be more trendy more chic i think i think titanium nowadays is way more often used than plastic yes but titanium remote control when you are watching tv or your hands are a little bit sweaty and on the other hand if you want to make fruit free stuff yeah but i really like the idea of the plastic and the big kind of thing because then it is you know it fits in our philosophy to make it sturdy and simple and you know like sports and gaming when you make a titanium it becomes more like some kind of gadgets you actually do not need and when it is big and plastic it is like some fun stuff you can always have around it is always fun to have something big and plastic something big and plastic right that mp 3 player of nike so is not that titanium with a little bit rubber yes it is but it is plastic with titanium looking yes what we can do that on the yeah yes i do not know if you know the mp 3 player of nike okay that is very with rubber so it is very we can make this as a style too this is just maybe maybe this is difficult because that is different material and then you have got to have like 2 material lines no we can make it from the same kind of plastic yeah if it is just the color which you change then i guess it is nice to have one of these i do like the idea of maybe a titanium kind of type of body and then with plastic coloration and around it you are not like the soft stuff but i do not know if it is possible i do not have the information i did not cut it but you can make the plastic give it the titanium look yes true but make it just like shiny yeah yeah maybe we should do yeah maybe that is a good idea yeah but if you want to yeah less longer then 2 weeks or something that you can maybe maybe we should i do not know if we should talk about how much time in a lot of other i do not know what time 40 minutes in a lot of other product categories like even in bags in the store in bags industry they began with typical leather bags but then they became stylish with all sorts of colors kind of fun of fronts okay like we can use on the telephone and like eastpac began a revolution with it with all this kind of bags and colors and in different colors yes and styles they have also kind of roses on it 0 yeah okay yeah yeah it is a possibility but let us think about the base then we can always use the same design for a greater resemblance but with new colors new new prints on this yeah but our basic idea i mean you are going to we are probably going to have like 2 type of materials like the the plastic enclosure and then the pads that surround it and lights we have to incorporate the lights too but are we going to give it a 2 tone color look like the plastic mold is in one color and the cushion pads around it are in another color is that the idea is that a good idea how do you mean the rubber how many colors are we going to we are only 5 minutes left by the way how many colors are we going to give it like 2 tone color there are 3 components 3 components type you have the buttons the case itself i think maybe the case itself should be in one color and then the rubber of the buttons and the cushions as well should be in another or you just make one color maybe with a kind of like a big wave or something like okay but not more than not more than 2 colors i think no definitely maybe we should talk about it in a later meeting or when you use the buttons as black you can use 2 colors as well okay well do we have to think of some other important things 0 yeah the functionality i was thinking about the do we still want the joystick idea no no i think that is too vulnerable yeah i think this is okay so we have the basic we have the numbers we have the power button we have a teletext button and maybe want to access a menu or something yeah but that is i was thinking that has got to be on the television yeah but i think you really need a menu button it is just the only button what kind of menu is not that different from every television no i think most tvs have a menu nowadays to access the screen settings i think it is okay to add a menu button for a but that covers all the other settings it covers everything then but then you have to put up and down and left and right you can use the 284 and 6 and you can also use you can also use the normal skip buttons for that and that way we have only the numbers the power button skip and volume and then a remote and a mute and a teletext and a menu and then that is it so we need yeah okay another stuff about the design of the docking station something important about it we should remind us of the remote itself i guess yeah definitely in one color do you do something with the spongy thing there i think the spongy thing already comes forward in the cushions pads and things on the side we make it spongy and the fruity thing it is just the shape should be fruit i think this is kind of fruity you know just round shapes with a yeah it is kind of fruity and with catchy colors yeah but we really have to think i think colors is very important because it has to be flashy but it does not have to be annoying that when you have you know some things is just over the top and when you have a table for more than 2 weeks you just gets annoying because it is so big and fleshy it has to be some level of subtlety but we have to still have to think of how we manage to get to that okay okay i guess so but we i think also we just so we have to do something with color but also i think we have to keep the dark color thing in mind i think that adds to the too much color maybe too much color when you got it in a living room it is too much maybe design experts have to be okay well i think the meeting will be over within a minute so we will wrap up or is anything we like to discuss i guess not do you that no okay well you will read the minutes in the you can find them in probably yeah no for sure for sure for we will now type them out what are we going to do now you will see in your email yeah i do not know i do not know i hope so and the only thing is that you do not have kind of prototype or something like that you see kind of prototype you can i will make one in the next 20 minutes yeah construct one yeah we do a laptop toilet paper all right so we will get back to work yeah great where you are yeah we are not back to the pen you are lazy okay so we must be there so we must be there okay so we must there be there you can not okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i am now 00 yeah what would you do yeah it is not but they can do together together 0 okay okay 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[ "okay yeah that is okay that is okay okay am i starting now anytime 0 sorry kay alright welcome back fro to the 2nd meeting and i hope you had a productive last 30 minutes and i will be taking minutes on this one and being hooked up to the powerpoint for this meeting is not very necessary for myself because it will be more about what you guys are bringing to the meeting today so the 1st presentation we will be looking at is poppy is presentation and so sorry so take it away poppy okay do i need to plugged in it is it is plugged in so f 8 w function f 8 f okay function f 8 sorry about this guys no problem kay is on right okay i will take this time just to apologize i i only received my emails later on cause i was too busy carried away doing my own thing which is not obviously not a very good part of a team working thing but there we go i am sure it is fine so i was looking at how we are going to go about the working design and what we actually need to do and what the remote control needs to do and it needs to allow a person to have a portable desi device so they can control the television from wherever they are they do not need to actually manually touch the television set so it gives them much more flexibility and allows them to be where they want to be from on a functional side of things we found out that wh from our previous meeting we decided that there are certain points that will make our product unique one is the visibility in the dark which was genevieve is idea so we need to think about how we could bring this in technically and we could use illuminated buttons which we are all familiar with when we are using a mobile phone or something fam familiar a automatically lights up at 1st touch or we could use fluorescent materials which would just take in the light during the day and then as soon as they go off they would glow in the dark also we could use an alarm so if we lost the remote control perhaps there could be a button on the television set itself which you could press and then an alarm from the handset would sound where it was hopefully in the room maybe behind a cushion or somewhere so that would work oop go back there another thing i think we d missed out on on the last meeting was the fact that we should consider the environmental impact of our design from previous researches i have carried out on other projects we have learnt about smart materials where specific alloys of metals have a shape memory so they can be heated and and cooled and they change the shape of the metal so for example a screw that is holding something together could expand and it would force all the components apart so the benefits of this for our product would be that when it came to the end of its product life if it was heated everything would spring apart so all the individual components could be easily separated and then some could be reused some could be recycled and i think that would be very important for products now especially cause there is much responsibility for all the companies who are coming up with like new designs cause all we all know that our resources are being limited and we have to be very environmentally conscious right one question yeah this self destructible metal it allows for recycling materials so that someone could have this product for as long as they felt that they wanted it and then once they contribute it then that company can break down the part the parts better and then yeah yeah they would you would make the the product as you normally would apart from the the bits that hold it all together would be made out of this shape memory alloy and that is the part that would allow all the other parts to be separated at the end i mean the user would return the p product to the company cause it is the product is responsibility to get rid of what they have made and then the company could then just use make use of this shape memory alloys to split up the components yeah and then either reuse some bits and other bits which are obviously going to wear out with time or not usable they might be like be able to put into scrap metal something like the case if it is scratched or something you would want to reuse it but you might be able to melt it down and reuse it again somewhere else would we be the company that would break down these or metals or would we contribute to another group you could we could probably empl em employ a a side company or something to do that for us but it would be our responsibility to get that done and to dispose of the products that we made for a certain percentage at least alright not every not a 100% of everything we produce but okay this sounds like a really great idea one thing we have to consider is our 100% turnover goal that we have for our financial sector yeah yeah so we will have to investigate how much that will cost us cost the company cause it sounds very labor intensive yeah you would have to hire a number of people and it might be more expensive well i the fact of the shape memory alloys is that they they do not need to be manually de deconstructed like you do not have to individually unscrew all the screws because of this their properties are smart material all you need is just the heat so they self destruct themselves alright so i suppose it does need like high contact yeah you know high quality machinery and very specific machinery but we will still have to investigate the financial implications alright i like the environmental approach we will have to see if that can meet our financial goals as well yeah okay also there is components this will be how it will actually work but i have not put this plan together yet i am sorry could you those were there we go sorry should i go back this would actually show the circuit diagram although i have not come up with the final circuit yet okay so i just put all those components in so those are what we will c construct the remote those are all the yeah i it just shows what sort of energy source it could be a battery like rechargeable probably an yeah well how the infrared will actually be sent through the chip to be received by the chip on the television set itself alright great okay so now is it f 8 again to escape or escape there we go okay alright thank you very much thank you and the next presenter will be tara there you go tara thanks can you see 0 do you think is it function 8 yeah function f 8 yeah function f 8 function f 8 sorry the one at the top 0 right okay that looks right yeah okay i am the user user interface designer the technical functions design of the apparatus is the effect the apparatus should have in this case it is the function of the remote control which is to send messages to the television television set by taking inspiration from other similar designs we will try and come up with an original trendy remote control which is sellable international there are 2 functional design options a multifunctional remote control which can be used for several entertainment devices and a single function remote control used specifically for the television i am sorry what was that last one multifunctional and sorry a single function just for the television itself ch 0 i see yeah multifunctional controls can be difficult to use as the multitude of buttons can be confusing a single function remote control is simpler to use but it means you have to have other remote controls for your other entertainment devices kay i think that a single function remote control would be preferable because it is easier to use it would be more compatible with a range of television sets making it more internationally sellable it will make an original design more obtainable as we have less functional necessities to include in the design and it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic and less functions would have to be included so it would be cheaper to make and probably more sellable just because it is more compatible with a r a wider range of devices does anyone have any questions so as far as we know a single function television remote control is us usable internationally well it is just that when we are creating it we are we have to make it compatible with different brands of devices right and it would be easier to make it compatible with just different brands of television devices rather than other ent yeah other entertainment devices d v d s and v c r okay right does everyone agree with this does anyone object and and find the multifunctional might be a better way to go i was just wondering about the what what genevieve said before about having like some hidden controls like having the outer casing and that would probably i d well well what you said before about it being a more profitable simplistic design i suppose having that would complicate it a lot more yeah yeah and limit the design do you think yeah i think i agree with the single design thing for now because we are trying to do so much that if we are trying to make a unique user friendly dadada and it is also multi also multifunctional we are going to go over budget for one thing yeah so yeah yeah that is true yeah yeah and with this we will have more room in the budget probably to make a more original design yeah we will have more money to go into the design side of it yeah okay yeah alright sounds great kay alright well are you ready for your presentation genevieve yes i am fabulous except you are not hooked up to the great 0 i am not hooked up but other than that completely ready okay okay 0 i just lost my microphone no problem we can just a moment okay so i will be discussing the functional requirements of this remote control and i will give you a little briefing on what that means exactly if you all remember from the email we got before our very 1st kick off meeting with the coffee machine the functional requirements of that was to produce hot coffee quickly so what i will be talking about now is the equivalent for a remote control so basically what needs and desires are to be fulfilled i have done some marketing research a lot of interviews with remote control users and some internet research and i will show you my findings 0 and firstly i wanted to remind you about our company motto and purpose so we believe in providing international market with fashionable products hence our motto we put the fashion in electronics so i think that should be our priority here and we should also be looking to trends in clothing and interior design not just in electronic fashion so that it is something that fits in the household i am sorry what was that last thing that you just said we should be looking towards trends in both clothing and interior design any trends that are going on in in the public even media you know who is famous what t v shows are being watched to influence our remote control yeah okay so the findings 75% of users of remote controls find them ugly which is a quite a significant number the other 25% did not specify if they love them or found them you know neutral 80% of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy current remote controls do not match well the operating behavior of the user i am sorry that 80% of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy you mean that they would spend more money on a fancy looking remote control yeah they are willing they are willing to spend money on a remote control with personality as opposed to your basic you know oval black all same size button remote control okay yeah so it is something that people care about it is not it is not ignored in the household 75% of remote control users said that they zap a lot zapping meaning they go through channels a lot they are you know thumb masters and 50% of users say they only use 10% of the buttons that a very small amount thought that was interesting alright so it might be very appealing if we have very concise buttons the single function and another thing with lots of surfing we would probably have to work on something that could be a lot more durable yeah because i find with channel changers that a lot of the numbers get rubbed down if they are printed on the button yes yeah yeah that is a good point yeah and actually to go with that i am going to give you some statistics on the relevancy of the buttons how much they are used and how important the users find them so the power button obviously in an hour is only used once hopefully the person is not turning on and off the t v but the relevance of that button is 9 out of 10 so people want to be able to turn on the t v with the remote control as opposed to standing up and turning on the television set channel selection is used a 168 times on average per hour that is a huge amount this is the most important button so obviously when commercials come on they are changing it so as you said we want a durable button that is not going to run down relevance of that button our users found was 1010 out of 10 ditto for volume selection so 10 out of 10 and it is used on average 4 times an hour not as much as channel selection but still significant audio settings is used on average 08 times an hour relevance is 2 screen settings which means brightness color etcetera 05 times an hour and relevance of one5 we are getting to specific statistics here teletext now i am not too clear on what that is i do not know if you can help me flipping pages is that it is it is like the news or like information it has t v has like information it has information on holidays the news entertainment yeah the and what is on so like a running banner underneath it is no it is a button that you press and then you like a menu pops up no li yeah yeah i have not used it before but 0 it is like and you have page numbers like for the menu and you press the page numbers with your remote and it it will come up okay it is like very basic internet very basic internet yeah sort of okay but you have yeah like tells you the weather and okay but you have no interaction back with it you know like the internet you can send emails and you have no interaction yeah it is just information that like television timetables what is on what is on now what is on next on every channel and right yeah alright well i guess i am not with it because i was not but it is it is being used 14 times an hour and has a r a high relevance of 65 so it looks like something that we are going to want to do some research on and include on our remote control yeah yeah channel settings 001 times an hour relevance of 3 channel settings probably just tuning in the channels would it be p sorry changing the channels tuning them in at the very start you know if you get a new t v set you tune in all the channels do you th do you think 0 okay to get the right reception and picture i suppose yeah yeah yeah okay so it is not used very often but people still find it relevant okay biggest frustrations of the people that we interviewed remote controls are often lost somewhere so that was already discussed by poppy how we could have a an alarm system so that people can find it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control so it should be very user friendly you know people know what to do very quickly remote controls are bad for r s i repetitive strain injury repeti ah i think is that what it is people with arthritis and such that is rather sad maybe our 0 i am guessing that is what it is yeah yeah i am not i think it is designers can look into that buttons that do not require you know very firm pushing if they respond yeah but we will have to also avoid you know buttons responding to the slightest touch as well that is a problem yeah it is okay did you guys get that one down yep okay here is some ideas for you a large percentage of the public would pay for voice recognition on the remote controls so i will show you some numbers here so the youngest age group 15 to 25 912% said that they would pay extra money to have voice recogni voice recognition included on their remote control and you can see that number decreases a bit with ol s interestingly enough 25 to 35 is the lowest amount that would are willing to pay extra so i guess we are going to have to figure out what age group we are we are targeting and if and if voice recognition is something we want to look into and if we have the budget for it if we are targeting young adults it looks like something that would pay off seeing as 90% over 90% would pay for it i agree with if we are targeting young adults then it would be something we should look into financially and and functionally and especially if we are trying to be trendy go with fashions things like that ages like from 35 to 65 which show lower numbers probably will not be as concerned so that that is a whole other field of research i do not know if it would be if we would still have a remote or if you are talking to your television and saying change channel and depending on how many members you have in households yeah so it m it may be too complicated for us but it is something to keep in mind anyway yeah and something that might further complicate it is that the t v makes noise itself right wonder if it would have yeah and if there was conversation in the room at the same time although in theory it does not tend to be when you are watching television yeah but could be very difficult to get the specific design yeah if we are looking for a simplistic design if we need to decide if that is our intention is is a simplistic design yeah because if if it is then i think voice voice activated it looks like yeah and that would sort of negate the whole remote control thing because if people can activate the television with their voice then they will not be using a they will not be talking into a remote i am sure it would be like the ultimate remote okay and th the last thing here was a an l c d screen so i mean voice recognition might be a little too extreme for us not practical an l c d screen though might be something that you know you can shift through pages kind of li the way this powerpoint is working yeah so that you do not have so many buttons to deal with i do not know what an l c d screen is 0 sorry just just a screen like a computer screen s or like mobile phone yeah yeah or like an alarm clock you would have an l c d versus just a a normal clock what what would appear on the screen i have no idea still i am sorry 0 just like an electronic screen as opposed to just buttons there would be like a little like on yeah 0 on the remote okay like on the top of a cellphone the the little l c d screen yeah now that is i i dunno exactly what exactly we would put on there i guess the channel that you are on the v the volume setting yeah could it it it would be good if it had the actual program that was on and what was next but that would probably be like linked in with the teletext or sort of like an yeah that would be good yeah teletext at your fingers without having to access that through the television yeah might be quite expensive to do that though yeah could be well i guess that is something we can all take back to our respective research right and finally whoops my personal preferences and thoughts i think our priority really should be unique design we want something that people want in their home every remote control looks the same so in my opinion it should be user friendly and unique so the other stuff might be a little too a little too gadgety for some people yeah i th myself voice recognition kind of scares me off so if we are if we are aiming to make this an international university universally accepted product and for all the other thing is like age market i mean if we wanted to concentrate on 15 to 25 years olds we could go for the fancy stuff but if we want to make 50000000 and have everyone want this remote control we should maybe stick to the basics and we should keep in mind that 15 to 25 year olds might not have €25 to spend on a remote control like their priorities might not be a fancy remote control when they are just starting out and yeah right and we have to keep in mind the the reliability of our research i mean you know a 16 year old boy would say yeah i would pay extra for voice recognition until they realize that is 3 months allowance yeah so i i think i think the older generations we should be catering to a bit more yeah early 20s that is the kind of age group yeah and if one of the largest or most complained about thing is that it takes so long to get to know how to use a remote control 20s yeah yeah i am sure that something like an l c d screen or remote control would be just furthering that problem yeah yep complicated jus complicating things even fo yeah yeah alright okay okay that is it for the market research okay before we go into more discussion on we want this design to look like i have received some information from the management that will affect some of our decisions for one thing because having controls with d v d v c r that sort of thing would really complicate the design of the remote control we have decided not to include them and make it a specific just a specific television function which is good as as we have sort of decided that we would like to go with that anyway for many reasons so we have that decision sort of made for us another thing that might affect other decisions is that the management feels that teletext is outdated because more people are using the internet now and so we will not concern ourselves with navigating the teletext option can i just interrupt yep would you like to plug in your have you got a powerpoint or not yeah maybe we can do the okay sure yeah i do i am looking at looking at it right now okay thanks there you go thank you 0 come back screen were they was the management suggesting use of the internet rather than teletext or just avoiding both altogether well i mean we do not have the resources or or possibility of using the internet with the remote control yeah yeah but they were just pretty much saying that the teletext would not be used okay yeah okay alright and another thing this is for the design the design of the product is that we want to create more of a sense that people know that this is from our company so all the remote controls must have our we will incorporate our logo and color in in some way right yeah yeah so perhaps our logo on the bottom or wherever you feel like it would look good okay it does not have to be the color of our of our company but another thing is that just we need to we probably would have to have that color and and logo decided upon i am assuming that we already have one but for the purposes of this meeting i i was not offered a like a type of logo or color so if that could be somewhere on the design so that we can be recognizable okay work on that it is probably r r r in yellow yeah yeah the little r r yellow thing okay yeah i think yeah real reaction okay yes those are the changes so now we need to discuss and come to a decision on our remote control functions of of how this is going to be i am just going to look at my notes for a 2nd we have to decide on a target group and the functions of the remote control so we already know that it will just be for the television okay it will it will not have teletext but you know we could discuss those other options that you brought up genevieve okay so i are we going to write off the l c d option yeah is that how most people feel about that yeah yeah yeah okay okay so no l c d no teletext and no voice recognition i think it would be annoying though if i do not use teletext that much but if it was on your t v you would want to be able to use it if yeah but another thing is that if we are reaching an international crowd you would yeah i know for one that in north america there is no such thing as teletext so it would be really superfluous yeah so is it just okay never heard of it yeah alright yeah right i do not know about other countries besides the u k do you know if anywhere else has it i do not know i do not know i do not know more research required i think alright but if was it a management decision that we are having okay it was a management decision so it is it is pretty much out of our hands at this point yeah so okay okay then kay so i guess we are looking at something rather simple well i guess just from my findings it looks like we want to minimize buttons kay minimal and the what was the word they used f findability is important yeah i think we should definitely go ahead with the alarm system idea that you had yeah okay yeah cause i am sure that could be inex inexpensive because we could use the same kind of infrared yeah the same signaling the same signal through that and it could just like make a little beeping noise i mean it is not that expensive to do or vibrate just the same as a mobile phone like you just a a buzz or something yeah yeah yeah okay i like that idea would you be able to put the little device anywhere cause is not our remote control for all t v s so if do you mean the the link between the well if the button was actually on you would ha yeah with the button that you pressed yeah the button 0 yeah 0 yeah c cause then it would only be a applicable to one t v set so it would need to be something that you could stick somewhere or something minor detail there maybe yeah yeah maybe something adhesive that you could like stick onto the back of any set that would be yeah not very obtrusive yeah it would have t yeah obviously something small that is yeah that is a good point yeah yeah then it would not it probably would not be able to use it would be able to use the same reception on the remote c control i guess but the actual device would have to have its own infrared signaller yeah yeah okay yeah okay would it need a battery then maybe pr probably probably i mean unless it could be okay that is your department you will have to sort that out unless some way it could have some universal connection to like the socket the same socket that the t v is supplied from i mean the power for the t v yeah so more research into that one yeah you will have to yeah you will have to investi do some research on that alright yeah great alright and i am sure that the glow in the dark fluorescent whatever system is a go ahead is everyone interested in that y on the buttons i i like the light up suggestion i think that would be better yeah cause you know the way fluorescent lights lose their brightness after certain time so yeah yeah yeah yeah it does not it could it could be a tactile thing as well yeah i would go for right if w if we are minimizing buttons we might be able to make them actually larger and there is something on it s you know like up arrow down arrow for for volume like a raised and i do not know what we could do for for channels s well just the numbers could be embossed could not it like raised the numbers themselves yeah but then the like up button and down button for the channel channel changing could be raised just little arrows that you could feel maybe yeah yeah i just thought that it it might be sucking more battery power if there if it is a light up i am not sure yeah that is true yeah and also y heather you mentioned before like how it should be accessible to everybody but i mean yeah so like big b buttons for people you are visually impaired yeah the glow in the dark or light up will not make any difference anyway so like you say tactile might be better because it would be more available to everybody that i think that is good yeah yeah could we somehow we could may possibly sorry incorporate them both so that the buttons could maybe be in the shape of the numbers themselves and be made out of some glow in the dark material yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah cause i d i do not think that glow in the dark material like the actual soft plastic costs that much more than other colors no i would not say so no it is not these days i mean it is quite easily accessible yeah i guess the other option referring to the battery thing is you know how cellphones will t light up for 15 seconds or something yeah when you are s and then it goes so if if you are like changing the volume during a movie that is good yeah that a good idea yeah i know i am thinking of mostly when you are watching a movie you turn all the lights off right yeah yeah and you do not want to turn on the lights to turn it down because there is suddenly an explosion and it is going to wake up the baby yeah yeah so if you touch the button it kind of reactivates it it lights up for that yeah that is a good idea yeah yeah on self timer so self timed lighting yeah alright we have 5 minutes left i for the meeting but i think we should discuss this light subject a little bit more before we close what was i missed the last moment reading that what were you talking about with the lighting up buttons 0 just if it was kinda the same way that a cell you know how a cellphone will light up for about 10 15 seconds when you touch a button after having not touched it for a while yeah yeah if instead of a constant light up on the on the remote control if it lights up for 10 seconds when it is touched again so it could be any button that would be pressed yeah yeah and you you touch it and it just kind of lights up a bit and it gives a faint glow so self timed so if you have all the lights off in your living room you will you will temporarily see it yeah because usually you are not fooling around for it for more than what 10 seconds yeah yeah okay so that is probably feasible so yeah so do you think that we should do the lighting up thing and the glow in the dark thing and the shape of the numbers do we have to kind of decide what we are going to do with this i think the shape of the numbers is a really good idea yeah yeah okay and i think that is un unique as well for visually impaired yeah i mean i have not seen that yeah and as you are saying like numbers can wear off if they are just sort of like painted on you know printed yeah yeah and it could if it is that softer rubber material it will be maybe better for people with els no what is it called r s i what was it that we were talking about durable 0 yeah yeah 0 right the yeah yeah yeah repetitive strain injury yeah instead of like hard buttons okay did we want to go for the glow in the dark look or did we want to go for the lighting up instantly if like should we do both or we can have one or the other because it might for for our design purposes i mean the lighting up thing might be better because glow in the dark material has a funny kinda color i was going to say and it might not go with different like face plates that we might come up with exactly yeah it the it might be perceived as tacky glow in the dark it is kind of like 80s neon style yeah yeah and we could yeah there are now like loads whereas we are trying to be trendy and fashionable so or a huge range of different colors that it could light up in as well which could like link in with the company colors like it could be blue or green or yellow or like we have just limited t with the just ordinary phosphorescent so right right alright so we have decided on lighting up things i was thinking though if it was glow in the dark you could put the real reaction symbol as glow in the dark and then it would be constantly advertised yeah every time the that it lit up you c that could light up as well yeah yeah or or the whate yeah yeah but with the same thing i mean that is true if you touch the button and then it could be it could be lit up as well yeah yeah okay is are you okay with that yeah okay cool alright so i think that is that completes most of our our more practical decisions and now it is up to designing and making sure that this can be feasible what 0 sorry and do you have anything do you have anything to say yeah well i was just going to throw out there the thought about personalizing the remote control it you cause you mentioned face plates so i i dunno if there is something that diff you know like 5 different face plates i dunno if this will start making it more complicated but it could increase the popularity of the of the remote okay 0 yeah like you can have changeable mobile covers or something interchangeable thing yeah like an ipod or something that would be good exactly like an ipod yeah or okay okay yeah exactly or or like mobile ph like a cellphone yeah and i dunno if we would want to go with like t v show themes or something like a bart simpson faceplate yeah and then that would be more profitable like as a sideline to the remote as well but yeah y could buy extra accessories exactly you could start out with 3 and if if we hit it big then we can add some on person yeah yeah well that is great that is a good idea yeah yeah i think that we should incorporate that interchangeable als cause that would not be very expensive at all you would just get one mold no yeah interchan throw some plastic in it you know and also possible i mean we could gain out of that by advertising certain t v shows or 0 yeah yeah well that might be com problematic with copyright issues right yeah so if it takes off then we will we will we will try that out but if we there is yeah if w we could the environmental factor we did not bring that up again right right we will have to do more research like as of yet that has nothing to do with the way it will look yeah does it need to be reached a de do we need to reach a decision on that right now i have because we need to investigate the financial implications okay okay let us is it does it need to be decided on now or should we i think we could probably leave that til later on then okay good alright then anyone else have anything more to say before we close no no alright well let us have lunch and we will discuss this later okay okay alright thank you" ]

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[ "this is a great yes okay just remember it is not real yeah you are going to be the 1st one on powerpoint i will just like cook you up with that am i starting now any time 0 sorry okay all right welcome back to the 2nd meeting and i hope you had a productive last 30 minutes and i will be taking minutes on this one and being hooked up to the powerpoint for this meeting is not very necessary for myself because it will be more about what you guys are bringing to the meeting today so the 1st presentation we will be looking at is poppy is presentation and so sorry so take it away poppy okay it is it is plugged in so okay okay thank you next thing sorry about this guy you are wrong okay nice you know all right right okay i will take this time just to apologize i only received my emails later on because i was too busy carried away doing my own thing which is obviously not a very good part of a team working thing but there we go i am sure it is fine so i was looking at how we are going to go about the working design and what we actually need to do and what the remote control needs to do and it needs to allow a person to have a portable device so they can control the television from wherever they are they do not need to actually manually touch the television set so it gives them much more flexibility and it allows them to be where they want to be from on the functional side of things we found out that well from our previous meeting we decided that the certain points that will make our project unique one is the visibility in the dark which is genevieve is ideas so we need to think about how we could bring this in technically and we could use illuminated buttons which we are all familiar with when we are using a mobile phone or something familiar automatically lights up at 1st touch or we could use fluorescent materials which would just take in the light during the day and then as soon as they go off they would glow in the dark also we could use an alarm so if we lost the remote control perhaps there could be a button on the television set itself which you could press and then alarm from the hand set would sound where it was hopefully in the room maybe behind a cushion or somewhere that would work 0 go back there another thing i think we missed out on on the last meeting was the fact that we should consider the environmental impact of our design from previous research that i have carried out another project we have learnt about smart materials where specific alloys of metals have a shape memory so they can be heated and cooled and they change the shape of the shape of the shape of the shape of the shape of the shape of the design of the design of metal so for example a screw that is holding something together could expand and it would force all the components apart so the benefits of this for our product would be but when it came to the end of its product life if it was heated everything would spring apart so all the individual components could be easily separated and then some could be reused some could be recycled and i think that would be very important for products now especially because there is so much a responsibility for all the the companies who are coming up with new designs because we all know that are the results of being limited and you have to be very environmentally conscious right one question this self destructible metal it allows for recycling materials so that someone could have this product for as long as they felt that they wanted it and then once they contributed then that company can break down the parts better yeah they would you would make the product as you normally would apart from the bits that hold it all together would be made out of the shape memory alloy and that is the part that would allow all the other parts to be separated at the end i mean the user would return the product to the company because it is a product is responsibility to get rid of what they have made and then the company could then just make use of this shape memory alloys to split up the components and then either reuse some bits and other bits which are obviously going to wear out with time or not usable they might be able to put into scrap metal or something like the case if it is scratched or something you would not want to reuse it but you might be able to melt it down and reuse it again somewhere else would we be the company that would break down these or medals or would we contribute to the group we could employ a side company or something to do that for us but it would be our responsibility to get that done and to dispose of the products that we made for a certain percentage at least not 100% of everything we could do this sounds like a really great idea one thing we have to consider is our 100% turnover goal that we have for our financial sector so we will have to investigate how much that will cost us cost the company because it sounds very labor intensive you would have to hire a number of people and it might be more expensive well the fact of the shape memory alloys is that they do not need to be manually deconstructed like you do not have to individually unscrew all the screws because of this property the smart material all you need is just the heat self destruct themselves all right so i suppose it does need the financial implications you know high quality machinery and very specific machinery all right i like the environmental approach we will have to see if that can meet our financial goals as well also there is some components this will be how it will actually work but i have not put this plan together yet i am sorry could you sorry should i go back this would actually show the circuit diagram although i have not come up with the final circuit yet okay so i just do not would put all those components in so those are what will construct the remote yeah it just shows what sort of energy source it could be a battery rechargeable probably and how the infrared will actually be sent through the chip to be received by the chip on television all right great okay so now is it okay okay all right thank you very much and the next presenter will be tara thank you is it a function 8 yeah function f 8 sorry all right okay yeah okay i am the user user interface designer the technical function design of the apparatus is the effect the apparatus you have in this case it is the function of remote control which is to send messages to the television test by taking inspiration from other similar designs you will try and come up with an original trend of remote control which is sellable international there are 2 functional design options a multifunctional mood control which can be used for several entertainment devices and a single function of move control used specifically for the television sorry was that last one multi functional and a single function just for the television 0 i see yeah multi function controls can be difficult to use as the multitude of buttons can be confusing a single function remote control is simpler to use but it means you have to have other remote controls for your other entertainment devices i think that a single function remote control would be preferable because it is easier to use it be more compatible with the range of television sets making it more internationally sellable it will make an original design more attainable as they have less functional necessities to include in the design and it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic and less functions would have to be included so it would be cheaper to make and probably more sellable just because it is more compatible with a wider range of devices does anyone have any questions so as far as we know a single function television remote controls usable international well it is just that when we are creating it we have to make it compatible with different brands of devices and it would be easy to make it compatible with just different brands of television devices rather than other yeah right does everyone agree with this does anyone object and and find the multifunctional might be a better way to go i was just something about what generally said before about having some hidden controls like having the outer cases that would probably well what you said before about it being a more profitable simplistic design as opposed to having that would complicate it a lot more yeah yeah yeah i think i agree with the single design thing for now because we are trying to do so much that if we are trying to make a unique user friendly and it is also multifunctional we are going to go over a budget yeah that is true and with this we will have more room in the budget probably to make more original design we will have more money to go under the design side of it all right sounds great all right well are you ready for your presentation yes i am i am badness except you are not hooked up to the i am not hooked up but i am absolutely ready great 0 i just lost my microphone all right no problem okay so i will be discussing the functional requirements of this remote control i will give you a little briefing on what that means exactly if you will remember from the email we got before our very 1st kickoff meeting with the coffee machine the functional requirements of that was to produce hot coffee quickly so what i will be talking about now is the equivalent for remote control so basically what needs and desires her to be fulfilled i have done some marketing research a lot of interviews with remote control users and some internet research i will show you my findings 0 and firstly i wanted to remind you about our company model and purpose so we believe in providing international market with fashionable products hence our motto we put the fashion in electronics so i think that should be our priority here and we should also be looking to trends in clothing and interior design not just in electronic fashion so that it is something that fits in the household i am sorry what was that last thing that you just said we should be looking towards trends in both clothing and interior design any trends that are going on in the public even media you know who is famous what tv shows are being watched to influence our remote control okay so the findings 75% of users of remote controls find them ugly which is quite a significant number the other 25% did not specify if they loved them or found them you know neutral 80% of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy current remote controls do not match well the operating behavior of the user i am sorry the 80% of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy you mean that they would spend more money on a fancy looking remote control they are willing to spend money on a remote control personality as opposed to your basic you know oval black all same size button remote control so it is something that people care about it is not it is not ignored in the household 75% of remote control users said that they zap a lot zapping meaning they go through channels a lot you know thumb masters and 50% of users say they only use 10% of the buttons that is a very small amount i thought that was interesting all right so it might be very appealing if we have very concise buttons and another thing with lots of surfing we probably have to work on something that could be a lot more durable because i find with channel changes that a lot of the numbers get rubbed down if they are printed on the button and actually to go with that i am going to give you some statistics on the relevancy of each of the buttons how much they are used and how important the users find them so the power button obviously in an hour is only used once hopefully the person is not turning on and off the tv but the relevance of that button is 9 out of 10 so people want to be able to turn on the tv with a remote control as opposed to signing up and turning on a television set channel selection is used 168 times on average per hour that is a huge amount this is the most important button so obviously when commercials come on they are changing it so as you said we want a durable button that is not going to run down relevance of that button our users found was 10 10 out of 10 ditto for volume selection it is a 10 out of 10 and it is used on average 4 times an hour not as much as channel selection but still significant audio settings is used on average 08 times an hour relevance is 2 screen settings which means brightness color etc 05 times an hour and relevance of one5 we are getting to specific statistics here teletext now i am not too clear on what that is i do not know if you can help me flipping pages it has tv like information it has information on holidays the news entertainment so like a running banner no it is a button that you press and then you like a menu pops up i have not used it before but and you have page numbers like for the menu and you press the page numbers with your remote okay it is a very basic internet very basic internet yeah okay like tells you the weather and yeah okay you have no interaction back with it you know like you can send emails yeah right there is no interaction information that on television timetables what is on now what is the next on every channel all right well i guess i am not with it because i was not but it is being used 14 times an hour and has a high relevance in 65 so it looks like something that we are going to want to do some research on and include on our remote control channel settings 001 times an hour relevance of 3 channel settings probably just churning in the channels sorry changing the channels chiming the memet but i start getting your tv set you are tuning all the channels 0 okay yeah yeah yeah okay so it is not used very often but people still find it relevant okay biggest frustrations of the people that we interviewed remote controls are often lost somewhere so that was already discussed by poppy how we can have an alarm system system so that people can find it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control so it should be very user friendly you know people know what to do very quickly remote controls are bad for rsi is that what it is people with arthritis and such that is rather sad maybe our designers can look into that buttons that do not require very firm pushing if they respond but we will have to also avoid you know buttons responding to the slightest touch as well that is a problem okay did you guys get that one down yep okay here is some ideas for you a large percentage of the public would pay for voice recognition on the remote controls so i will show you some numbers here so the youngest age group 15 to 25 912% said that they would pay extra money to have voice recognition included on their remote control you can see that number decreases a bit interestingly enough 25 to 35 is the lowest amount that are willing to pay extra so i guess we are going to have to figure out what age group we are targeting and if voice recognition is something we want to look into and if we have the budget for it if we are targeting young adults it looks like something that would pay for it it looks like something that would pay off seeing as 90% would pay for it i agree with if we are targeting young adults then it would be something we should look into financially and functionally and especially if we are trying to be trendy go with fashions things like that ages like from 35 to 65 that show lower numbers probably will not be as concerned so that is a whole other field of research i do not know if you would still have a remote or if you are talking to your television and saying change channel and depending on how many members you have in a household so it may be too complicated for us but it is something to keep in mind anyway and something that might further complicated is that the tv makes noise itself right i wonder if it would have and if there was conversation in the room at the same time yeah although i am still it does not tend to me when you are watching television but it would be very difficult to get the specific yeah if we are looking for a simplistic design if we need to decide if that is our intention is is a simplistic design because if if it is then i think voice was it looks like yeah and that would sort of negate the whole remote control thing because if people can activate the television with their voice and they will be using it will not be talking into remote i am sure okay and the last thing here was an lcd screen so i mean voice recognition might be a little too extreme for us not practical an lcd screen though might be something that you know you can shift through pages kind of the way this powerpoint is working so that you do not have so many buttons to deal with i do not know what an lcd screen is 0 sorry just a screen like a computer screen so or like mobile yeah like an alarm clock you would have an lcd versus just a what what would be it on the screen i have no idea still 0 just like an electronic screen as opposed to just buttons there would be like a little 0 on the remote yeah okay like on the top of a cell phone the low locity screen i do not know what exactly we put on there i guess the channel that you are on what volume setting could it it would be good if it had the actual program that was on and what was next but that would probably be like linkedin with the tele yeah that was like in yeah telling that just being different without having to access that through the television it might be quite extensive to do that too yeah okay right i guess that is something we can all take back to our respective research and finally whoops my personal preferences and thoughts i think our priority really should be unique design we want something that people want in their home every remote control looks the same so in my opinion it should be user friendly and unique so the other stuff might be a little too gadgety for some people my self voice recognition kind of scares me off so if we are aiming to make this an international university universally accepted product and the other thing is age market i mean if we wanted to concentrate on 50 to 25 year olds we could go with the fancy stuff but if we want to make 50000000 and have everyone want this remote control we should maybe stick to the basics and we should keep in mind that 1525 years might not have 25 years to stand in a remote control like their priorities might not be a fancy remote control then they are just starting out right and we had to keep in mind the reliability of our research i mean you know a 16 year old boy would say yeah i would pay extra per boy or 2nd next to until they realize that is 3 months allowance so i think the older generations we should be catering to a bit more early 20 yeah and if one of the largest or most complained about things is that it takes so long to get to know how to use remote control i am sure that something like an lcd screen or remote control would be furthering that problem yeah all right okay that is it for the market research okay before we go into more discussion on and we want this design to look like i have received some information from the management that will affect some of our decisions for one thing because having controls with dvd vcr that sort of thing would really complicate the design of the remote control we have decided not to include them and make it a specific just a specific television function which is good as we have sort of decided that we would like to go with that anyway for many reasons so we have that decision sort of made for us another thing that might affect other decisions is that the management feels that teletext is outdated because more people are using the internet now and so we will not concern ourselves with navigating the teletext option can i just enter it yep you would like to plug in yeah maybe we will okay sure have you got a powerpoint yeah i do i am looking at it right now there you go thank you i will come back to me was the management suggesting use of the internet rather than teletext or just avoiding both altogether well i mean we do not have the resources or a possibility of using the internet with the remote control but they were just pretty much saying that the teletext would not be used and another thing this is for the design the design of the product is that that we want to create more of a sense that people know that this is from our company so all the remote controls must have our we will incorporate our logo and color in some way so perhaps our logo on the bottom or wherever you feel like it would look good it does not have to be the color of our company but another thing is that we need to we probably would have to have that color and logo decided upon i am assuming that we already have one but for the purposes of this meeting i was not offered a type of logo or color so if that could be somewhere on the design so it can be recognizable it is probably our rr and yellow yeah the little rr yellow thing okay real reaction okay yes those are the changes so now we need to discuss and come to a decision on our remote control functions of how this is going to be i am just going to look at my notes for a 2nd we have to decide on a target group and the functions of the remote control so we already know that it will just be for the television it will not have teletext teletext but you know we could discuss some those other options that you brought up genevieve okay so are we going to write off the lcd option is that how most people feel about that yeah okay so no lcd no teletext and no voice recognition i think it would be annoying i do not use teletext that much but if it was on your tv you would want to be able to use it if but another thing is that if we are reaching an international crowd i know for one that in north america there is no such thing as teletext so it would be really superfluous yeah i do not know about other countries besides the uk do you know if anywhere else has it a bit more research required i think all right was it a management decision that we have it was a management decision so it is pretty much out of our hands at this point okay okay so i guess we are looking at something rather simple well i guess just from my findings it looks like we want to minimize buttons okay and what was the word they use findability is important yeah i think we should definitely go ahead with the alarm system idea that you had because i am sure that could be inexpensive because we could use the same kind of infrared yeah the same signal the same signal through that through that and it could just like make a little beeping noise it is not that expensive to do right just the same as a mobile phone yeah yeah okay i like that idea would you be able to put the little device anywhere because as a remote control for all to use so if do you mean the link between the yeah the button was actually on minor detail there i would like i will do one tv set so it would need to be something like it sticks in yeah yeah maybe something adhesive that you could like stick onto the back of any set that would be yeah yeah not very obtrusive obviously something small that is yeah that is good thing yeah then it would not it probably would not be able to use it would be able to use the same reception on the remote control i guess but the actual device would have to have its own yeah infrared signal okay would not need a battery then maybe probably probably i mean that is your department you will have sort that out okay unless some way it could have some universal connection to like the socket the same socket that the tv is supplied from i mean the power for the tv yeah you have to invest in that one do some research on that right great all right and i am sure that the glow in the dark fluorescent whatever system is to go ahead does everyone interest in that i like the light up suggestion i think that would be better because you are like fluorescent lights and leaves the bright yeah yeah yeah it does not it could be a tactile thing as well right if we are minimizing button we might be able to make them actually larger and there is something on it you know like a raise up arrow down arrow for volume and i do not know what we could do for channels well just numbers could be embossed could not it like raised the numbers themselves but then the up button and down button for the channel channel changing just that a lot yeah i just thought that it might be sucking more battery power if it is a light up i am not sure yeah that is true and also heather you mentioned before like how it should be accessible to everybody yeah and so like big buttons maybe for people who are visually impaired glow in the dark or light will not make any difference anyway so like you said tactile might be better because it would be more available to everybody could we somehow we could maybe possibly sorry incorporate them both so that the buttons could maybe be in the shape of the numbers themselves and be made out of some sort of glow in the dark material i do not think that glow in the dark material like the actual soft plastic costs that much more than other colors not these days and it is quite yeah i guess the other option referring to the battery thing is you know how cell phones will light up for 15 seconds or something yeah yeah that is good idea so if you are like changing the volume during a movie i know i am thinking of most of you watching a movie you turn all the lights off right yeah you do not turn on the lights to turn it down because it is suddenly an explosion it is going to wake up the baby so if you touch the button it kind of reactivates it it lights up for it that is a good idea on self timed it is a self timed lighting all right we have 5 minutes left for the meeting but i think we should discuss this light subject a little bit more before we close what was i missed the last moment reading that what were you talking about with the lighting up 0 just if it was kind of the same way that a cell phone will light up for about 10 15 seconds when you touch a button after having not touched it for a while yeah if instead of a constant light up on the remote control if it lights up for 10 seconds when it is touched again so it could be any button that would be pressed yeah you just kind of lights up a bit and it gives a faint glow so if you have all the lights off in your living room you will temporarily see it because usually you are not fiddling around with it for more than what 10 seconds yeah okay so that is probably feasible so do you think that we should do the lighting up thing and the glow in the dark thing and the shape of the numbers you have to kind of decide what we are going to do with this i think the shape of the numbers is a really good idea and i think that is unique as well i mean i have not seen that and as you are saying like numbers can wear off if they are just painted off and it could be your most if it is that softer rubber material it will be better for people with else no what is it called rsi what was it that way 0 yeah yeah instead of like hard buttons okay did we want to go for the glow in the dark look or did we want to go for the lighting up instantly like should we do both or we can have one or the other because it might for design purposes i mean the lighting up thing might be better because glow in the dark material has a funny kind of color and it might not go with different face plates that we might come up with exactly it might be perceived as tacky glow in the dark it is kind of like 80s neon style whereas we are trying to be trendy and fashionable yeah they are not like loads a huge range of different colors that it could light up in as well which could like link in with the company colors blue or green or yellow or right like we are just limited with the just ordinary all right so we have just started on lighting up i was thinking if it was going in the dark you could put the real reaction symbol as going to dark and then it would be constantly advertise yeah every time the lit up that could light up as well but with the same but with the same thing i mean if you touch the button and then it could be it could be lit up as well is are you okay with that okay cool all right so i think that that completes most of our our more practical decisions and now it is up to designing and making sure that this can be feasible and do you have anything to say yeah well i am just going to throw it there the thought about personalizing the remote control because you mentioned faceplates so i do not know if there is something that you know like 5 different faceplates i do not know if this would start making it more complicated but it could increase the popularity of the remote okay like you can have changeable mobile cameras like an ipod or something exactly like a mobile exactly or like a mobile like a cell phone yeah and i do not know if we would want to go with you know tv show themes or something like a bart simpson faceplate yeah and then that would be more profitable like as a sideline to the remote yeah exactly you could start out with 3 and if we hit it big then we can add so long yeah that is great yeah i think that we should incorporate that into change and because that would not be very expensive at all you just get one mold yeah throw some plastic in it you know and also possible i mean we could gain out of that by advertising certain tv shows that might be problematic with copyright issues yeah so if it takes off then we will try that out the environmental fact we did not bring that up again right we will have to do more research like as of yet that has nothing to do with the way to look yeah does it need to be reached do we need to reach a decision on that right now because we need to investigate the financial implications okay okay does it need to be decided on now i think we can probably leave that till later on okay good all right then anyone else have anything more to say before we close no all right well let us have lunch and we will discuss this later okay all right thank you" ]

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[ "okay good afternoon again so we should have our final meeting about the detail designed of detail design of the product of the remote control so here is the agenda for today just going to go quickly through the minutes of the last last meeting then we have a p presentation of prototype of you 2 sounds interesting and we will have presentation of evaluation crit criteria by ou our marketing experts then we will have to go through finance evaluation of the of the cost of the thing and hopefully we should fit the target 0 tw of €125 okay so let us go if i go quickly through the minutes of the last meeting so we went through th w we took this following decisions no l c d no speech recognition technology okay we went through a b to a banana look and feel for the remote control we went through the use of wheels and but buttons and also the use of a basis station for battery ch charging and also to call the to call the mot mote remote control when it is lost okay good so guys let this wonderful thing okay so we can go to the slides 0 yeah sorry yeah number 3 0 number 2 sorry which is so final design final design okay so michael you can go ahead yeah so following our decision to make a yellow well to make a banana yeah can you show it to the the camera maybe remote okay so we actually have a you can pull it out 1st maybe we have well 1st 1st of all we made a an attractive base station with a banana leaf look and feel and bana sit the banana sits in there k you know nicely weighted so that it is not going to tip over and this is the remote itself it is kind of it is it is ergonomic it fits in the hand rather well we have got the 2 scroll wheels here which you know one on the the left for the volume and the one on the right for for the channel and underneath we have the the turbo button which is in like a nice trigger position for you know for pressing quite naturally what is the use of the t turbo button already this is when you when you are scrolling the through the channels you can tell it to to skip th past channels that you quickly rather th ah yeah yeah an then you stop when you stop it stops yeah well when you stop scrolling the wheel it stops but normally with it will just s stay on each station briefly so you can see the the picture huh and we we do have one more functionality if you take the banana as such and you press the turbo button so it switch ons the switch ons the t v the t v yeah which one the s the turbo button the turbo button so rather than having an extra button for for the on off switch you just use the turbo button okay additional button what this button for this is a teletext button okay so once you press that then you get teletext and you can use the the channel selector scroll wheel as to navigate it through th through teletext but if you want to go to page 700 to navigate yeah that is right that is right yeah with the wheel it is easy how man well then you can you you have like a little number selection thing you press the the the teletext button to move between the fields and then you can just scroll the number back and forth so you have s you go you scroll to 7 and then 00 and then you can i do not understand it can you repeat it well you can you can press press the teletext button and then you then you can you can f yeah so then then both the scroll buttons they are for teletext browsing and you can tele yeah once you press the teletext button then the scroll buttons they are more for teletext ah okay okay okay okay okay okay they are no more for channel or vol volume i see i see yeah okay okay and this is the the infrared port that is right also the top of the banana yeah excellent so and then we have in the in the base station we have the the button at the front for for calling the the banana calling yeah excellent and the the leaves plays the roles of of antennas actually they do that is that is yeah that is that is form and function in the one in the one object 0 yeah so it always means whatever the rays goes by they they get reflected and then you are having a better coverage it is like antennas yeah so but yeah that is that is just like that is an attractive base station great so okay so what else and for the power source we are having solar cells and rechargeable batteries and this and the basis station is going to have the input from the power line for for charging the batteries is it really weight is it light or it is very light yeah they are light okay it is it is it is about the weight of a banana okay you know to give you the correct look and feel yeah ok and we have put these different colors so that people do not mistake them mistake it as a banana okay otherwise it is you know a child comes and so yeah yeah yeah i see i under i understand i think a child would try to eat it anyway so maybe we should yeah consider that maybe health and safety aspects ah yeah 0 we did not think of that yet yeah yeah so for the power source apparently you still you you want to use both solar cells and batteries 0 yeah that is right you mean okay i do not really know if the solar cells are actually necessary any more if you have a recharging base station so yeah where are going to where are you are you going to place them it will it will be always at top somewhere at there if i was going to place them i would put them on the on the top here since that is like the black bit but yeah i do not i really do not think it is necessary to have the solar cells anymore you have enough surface you yeah because now we are having rechargeable batteries so that that is okay what will be the autonomy roughly the what sorry the autonomy autonomy what do you mean i mean how long does i how how how long can it be held off a station how long the how long the bit the batteries long ah ah a long time yeah no no no it can it should be weeks 8 to 108 to 10 hours a long n most no most of the time it is not being used yeah so it is yeah but y people do not like to put it back in the base station all the time people leave want to leave it on the couch so so when when you are making it on it is used only when you no 8 or 8 or 10 hours of working if you are just leaving like that it will be much longer ah okay okay yeah f weeks yeah yeah that is right right next slide yeah and we are having the speakers regular chip for control pricing is was a factor so that is why we have gone for a regular chip only not the advanced chip and that is it okay okay those really sounds very good that is right nothing else to add it seems to be falling over i l yeah yeah i like i like it maybe the the thing that convince me the less is the the multifunctional buttons looks a bit you want to have more functional buttons looks a bit puzzled i dunno how to say that you the the b the buttons change h h their function depending if y it is teletext or not you are not convinced not not many we we want to keep it simple so that this button fo is for teletext which is usually also the case that usually there is a teletext button and once you press that the channel buttons they baco become the scrolling buttons and the volume button will will become it is up to you means now that well in fact b both will be could be useful navigating through teletext means let us say this this can move the the larger digits and this can move the smaller digits or can move between positions in the in the number that is right and what about people who want to use digits yeah butto real buttons wow yeah so there was there was a constraint that the surface area which we have on this banana on one side because of the shape so we are targeting a segment which is which is just very trendy kind of thing they they do not care about the buttons any more okay and anyway because have you thought about configuration and all this kind of stuff it is all automatic it is all automatic yep okay okay yeah it is fine very good yeah you th yeah w we are living in a wonderful world bananas everywhere okay so automatically configure so we have to go through now evaluations evalua yeah yeah so your slides are ready s you are 4 i think yeah so this is one which one is this one yeah okay i i const i constructed a a list of criteria based on the on the general user requirements and each criteria is will be evaluated it is logical criteria so we must users must say i if it is true or is or if it is false in a in a scale ranging from 0 to 7 why this strange factor of 7 because i i am sorry sorry usually i have seen that scales are from one to 10 ah yeah it is from sorry it is from one to 7 it is from from one to 7 sorry because it should be an even it should be an even scale and 5 okay num number okay is too short and 9 is too long okay i am a i i am okay fine got the idea so to have in order to have enough granularity it is in order to have enough granularity in the evaluation sorry yeah yeah okay the variance is mi it is is minimal okay okay okay great i am answering your question okay okay yeah yeah go ahead and that is the criteria i i found more useful i think i sh i i could write the criteria in the on the whiteboard sure and we all 4 could range okay yeah yeah could evaluate the yeah okay so you can say fancy handy handy okay let us let us evaluate if it is fancy or yeah it is fancy according to me 7 but yeah 6 7 s 7 7 by me 6 i would say 7 okay it is quite fancy so you can add 7 +6 +7 plus no wait yeah 5 what do you say 7 5 5 5 maybe maybe maybe 6 it is it is i guess it is yeah okay 65 handy again i will give 7 7 i would give it a 6 like i would i think it is probably more handy than my current remote 6 yep cause of the scroll wheels but maybe loses the point for not having you know the extra buttons when you reall if you do need them for some reason but you know you can always use your other remote so 776 7 for me yeah 6 65 functional i will give 5 4 i would say well it depends when you say functional do you mean it does what we want it to do or d does what it does you know can it make you coffee everything ar for a remote control does he have all the you know everything yeah yeah it is compared to the all you could expect that is right remote controls that is right that is before the standards what is available in the market off the shelf yeah i have to say 4 actually i do not know what are the r the real specification of a of a universal remote contro well it is not a universal remote we remember we are focus we are supposed to focus just on t v s ah it is not an univer but it is for all kind of t v s yeah well all t v s but only t only t v s i guess so it is universal but for t v s so s 4 yeah 5 5 4 4 4 4 so 42 just 4 4 4 so 4 obviously there are some outliers so okay cool cool device there i will give it 7 it means cool features like new features actually that is right which for a t v the most important feature which i felt was the locator which is a cool feature and then the scroll buttons are again cool features we do not have l c d for it but that we decided we do not want to have yeah 7 i would say 5 i will say 5 6 7 +6 i say i said 7 yeah so it is 6 s yeah you said 7 yeah cause it is 5577 so okay okay definitely easy to use definitely 7 7 7 7 and you 5 outl you are not lik outlier 7 okay okay okay okay okay sorry i have them alright now here is the $60000000 question well €2525 question of course i will buy the banana what do you what do you guys reckon of cour of course the most difficult question for the end i will say 5 well i will say 5 €25 cheap i find it quite cheap actually i dunno if i i it depends if you live in in switzerland or you live in yeah so the target price is for all europe or only for rich countries it is more targeting u k or i do not know wha the initial specifications were for the whole all europe or so this is selling costs not production costs yeah this is the the initial specifications yeah yeah yeah yeah sure 5 i would say 6 it is quite cheap actually i would say 2 aw should be nice in your why i do not want a banana on my living room table a banana remote no but it is really handy actually if you see it is handy it is handy but it it is terrible it is it is so handy and then it is kitsch anyb anybody who comes here anybody who comes to your home he will at least ask once what is this yeah yeah but it is not a positive thing it is a very positive thing if you see like that well you know it is it is handy it is ergonomic but it is a banana well do not forget well do not for do not forget who we are targeting also who are f f who are wh yeah youngst youngst youngsters actually maybe yeah but it says i i would buy this so no well yeah i if you would be young yeah not telling that you are young no it is i li li like a teenager for instance okay you are you are crazy teenager and you like fun things i would buy you want to flaunt yeah you with your girlfriend or something yeah you want to show the beautiful banana you have s s or might be it does some other kind of thing but still i i would say 2 i do not think i at any stage in my life i would want a banana remote control really yeah crazy okay so you s you give 0 yeah yeah i know i know i can say maybe there is a market for it i dunno so you say 2 yeah i say 5 f i d i say 5 you say i change the question so what is the new question and you have saved it so yeah upload the you will have to reload yeah i think so okay so it depends if yeah it is 2 different situations if you really need an universal remote control or if you would change your remote control for a n for a new one yeah that is 2 different question if i had t if i had to spend €25 if that was like my limit maybe i would buy it because the other €25 remote controls are probably going to look they are not going to be as ugly worse than a banana and they they might not be a as easy as this yeah and it yeah this is going to f you know handy to use yeah so what now s i stick to 5 what range i go slightly up although it still has it still has the word of course at the beginning so i dunno 6 6 w we have 65 i would give it i would give it a 3 so we are i give it a 4 now 6 6 654 654 6 so it is 55 or less yeah so okay so and last question will i change my rem change my remote control from mando banana 0 no we can not so one actually yeah i we well if yeah no let us say i will put 2 i would say 3 i mean my remote control is kinda at home is pretty terrible if it was change my remote control of my d v d player for a mando banana then i would be more inclined to but cause it is really bad but i would say a 3 it is for the t v i will still give it 5 5 yeah you are romantic really 23523 fi and 2 so it is somewhere 35 i think i would say 2 so it is r yeah 35 who is the outlier wh wh you said 5 no no you say 5 he is the outlier no i said 5 okay just just do a sum i do not know if it is a it is not very promising but you know we are not young trendsetters no because there are more yeah we should not sum like that well maybe we should we should have a look globally glob because the the last 2 questions is much more important than the rest actually otherwise we would not we will not sell is there some some formula you are using that says you have to sum them up no i did not anything well just leave it at that then yeah oops yeah the so maybe maybe w we can we should stick to general feeling yeah we can had have a out of these numbers which which is that well we should go for it problem with connectors do you want me to sum 0 i think it is not yeah it is it is funny no i think it it kind of you just lose information if you sum it so okay so let us move let us move on yeah sure okay now now we have to to estimate the cost okay so i prepare an excel sh an excel sheet well we are going to calculate the production costs we should we should be below 125 so i already put some pu some numbers here okay we are going to go through so this is the number the number of components we need for this thing so it appears that there were things that we did not thought about and also things that i i d i forget to to put like solar cells well we decided against the solar cells so solar cells yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we said no to that 0 yeah finally we say no okay so let us let us go let us go let go through all the lines so hand dynamo this something we did not thought about but you mean charging it by shaking the banana yeah i think rechargeable batteries will take care of the power thing yeah yeah to bring the cost okay so we we stick to battery one yeah no kinetic also i do not i do not see the difference between kinetic and dynamo well maybe dynamo is like you have to actually ah you have to ah okay i see so kinetic is really shaking the banana s yeah yeah crazy okay so those banana is falling okay let us go ahead so we we saint only have one for battery then for electronics so i did not put anything for the so we have the regular chip on the print which is one yeah yeah and that is it okay no so we hin and we have sample speaker yeah so one yeah yeah the cost of that is very high ooh ye ye ye the cost is increasing well actually that that no that sample speaker is not we we are not using that so we are we are just using the the very beep simple beep that s that sample thing is like the voice recording and everything the beep huh that is what okay so i will remove it so yeah i say that s yeah and we have sev so do not we need a 0 there is no listing for r radio frequency thing yeah so so we we will put some extras if there is something yeah maybe we will see later okay so in for the case i put single curved okay to reduce the cost it is okay well wait a 2nd no it is it is double curved it has got a c it is because we have 2 things 0 it has got all the directions so do not worry no well d yeah it is monotonic but it has got a direction it has got but if you hold it if you hold it that way that is 2 curved one on this side one on that side but they are opposite sides well actually what is the differen what a what i if i put one here this is actually i mean this probably this probably actually costs more than 3 if you yeah so let us put one here in the then instead of single oka all right okay okay yeah so we stick to plastic it cost nothing yeah that is right well no did not we say we wanted to do a rubber no it is too no too expensive if you drop it it is too expensive well when okay we are already at 11 well we we will come back we will come back and see if we can fit it in okay so i put rubber one okay so special color yellow yeah for the interface we have we do not have any push buttons no we have 2 push buttons we have 3 no that is a scroll wheel itself it will be put in that huh no no we have 2 scroll and we have 3 push buttons ah okay okay okay okay actually whe whe when you wrote regular chip you should put 2 because there is another chip here okay it is going to have to be plastic and no it is no chip this is just radio frequency yeah th this is no chip yeah but no you need there is no chip there it just emits the signal it is just and the receiver accepts it and that is it yeah fo i it does nothing actually no just se sends the signal that is it just only it is a recharger thing and okay w we did not think a thought about integrated scroll wheel push buttons well i actually did think about it myself but i thought you know because you could potentially you know you could be pushing it down as you scroll it for a instead of a turbo button but you know the turbo button does add that extra class yeah so yeah you know so i mean if we are if we are over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that okay so no l c d so for we have no button supplements right yep no well in fact could we could not we consider this button as a button supplement because 0 no these are these are for colors co and special forms special colors and special materials yeah no we are not we do not need anything special for the buttons so okay so we are over budget yeah so 1st thing which we should take care of is make it plastic instead of rubber instead of rubber let it be plastic yeah and then we are basically 0 on budget except for you know ¢10 and that much money will be required for the base station which is not there yeah yeah so mayb in fact n we have to put 2 here because it cost nothing yeah well pl the base station is made out of m many units of plastic yeah that is right so might be 90 centimes for the the remaining things which the cord and everything which will go exactly exactly so we have margin for that stuff that is right does that include charging circuitry and everything yeah maybe okay good yeah wha excellent so what do we do with the extra profits we will invest in r and d okay the next fruit yeah so well we are under the the the cost so we can go to through to project evaluation okay so now we have a product which nobody would would buy would yeah would buy sorry no we have a product which none of us would buy yeah because th th the evaluation project which is different which is different none of us will buy it no it is people in in in milan and in paris that are going to buy it ah would buy yeah massively yeah we are n yeah we are not in milan or paris yeah okay you have been in milan a couple of times so actually there were a lot of this is a battery and you said the lowest this is what we which you can s detachable battery that is cause i am sick of milan it did yeah yeah for the batteries extra battery yeah okay so project process exac well in fact i i did not know i did not know really what to say here if if you have any ideas of what we can we can say so i do not i do not i do not understand what what they mean by satisfaction and for and for example should it be more like like a status of of the these meetings in fact yeah yeah well in fact we we use a little bit the white board and the digital pen not that much i dunno i think we had a fair bit of creativity 0 yeah it is really creative and but i think one thing we m missed out of this whole process was a like a focus group with the actual people we are targeting we needed some of these kind of young trendsetters to come in and play with the banana and you know see if they yeah they like that see if they like it yeah maybe we should go through yeah an evaluation because yeah the evaluation for us is is kind of biased pointless so maybe you should we should do a kinda evaluation in the streets like asking to young peoples well do you like to have a banana as a remote control yeah because it it would also be interesting to you to know find out if we have a market in really young children as well to see you know how to how to market this thing yeah cause you know if well i mean maybe you do not want to give all your kids their own remote because they will be changing the channel all the time but you know maybe in some households where there is you know a t v for each kid then you know banana remote control could be fun for them as well might have to draw a face on it so but i think that is something we need to to work on next time is really finding out more about the target market yep any any new ideas we could we could investigate next time dunno oranges yeah the cost of the thing can be made more than might be because i think it is just the optimal what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to yeah i think there are ways we could maybe simplify the interface well just the the the circuit board that we are using inside i am not sure really how complicated our our needs are i mean all we have is 2 push buttons and 2 scrollers do we really need an integrated circuit to you know to process that so more general remote control instead of just focusing on on t v that is right the complexity should not be much higher yeah for you said if it good for d v d then i would and also fo you know for mood lighting and and stuff that would be rather cool i think that is actually something that should be in version 2 is the ability to you know to control things other than the t v and not just electronic equipment but you know the whole environment of the room integrate okay very good so so what else well done i think we we can go okay home home happily satisfied yeah maybe maybe we can hassle the the production department to to make a a real prototype that we can use at home to to evaluate okay so thanks very much yep okay thank you bye thank you bye" ]

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[ "okay good afternoon again okay good afternoon again so we should should have our final meeting about the detailed design of the product of the remote control so here is the agenda for today i am just going to go quickly through the minutes of the last meeting then we have a presentation of prototype view too sounds interesting and we will have a presentation of a presentation of evaluation criteria by our marketing experts then we have to go through finance evaluation of the cost of the thing and hopefully we should fit the target of €125 okay so let us go if i go quickly to the minutes of the last meeting so we went through we took the following decisions no lcd no speech recognition technology okay we went through a to a banana look in feel for the remote control we went through the use of wheels and buttons and also the use of a basis station for battery charging and also to call the to call the remote control when it is like lost okay good so guys let present us this wonderful thing okay so we can go to the slides 0 yeah sorry number 30 number 2 sorry which is the final design final design okay so i am correct you can go ahead yeah so following our decision to make a yellow well to make a banana yeah can you show it to the the camera maybe okay so we actually have you can pull it out 1st we have well 1st 1st we made an attractive base station with a banana leaf look and feel and vanana sits in the nicely weighted so that it is not going to tip over and this is the remote itself it is kind of it is ergonomic it fits in the hand rather well we have got the 2 scroll wheels here which you know one on the left for the volume and the one on the right for the channel and underneath we have the turbo button which is in like a nice trigger position for you know for pressing quite naturally what is the use of the turbo button already this is when you when you scrolling the through the channels you can tell it to to skip past channels that you are quickly then you when you stop it stopped yeah well when you stop scrolling the wheel it stops but normally with it will just stay on each station briefly so you can see and we we do have one more functionality if you take the banana as such and you the turbo button so it is switch on the tv yeah which one the turbo button so rather than having an extra button for for the on off switch we just use the turbo button this is the teletext button okay so once you press that then you get teletext and you can use the the channel selector scroll wheel as to navigate you want to go to page 700 yeah well then you can you have like a little number selection thing you press the teletext button to move between the field and then you can just scroll the number back and forth so you have you go you scroll to 7 and then 00 and then you can i understand can you can you can press the teletext button yeah then then both the scroll buttons they are for teletext browsing and you can tell it okay okay yeah once you press that then the scroll buttons they are more for teletext they are no more for channel or volume i see i see okay okay and this is the infrared port that is right also the top of the banana excellent and then we have in the base station we have the button at the front for calling the for calling the banana excellent and the leaves play the roles of antennas actually they do yeah that is form and function in the one so it always means whatever the rays goes back they get reflected and then you are having a better coverage it is like antennas yeah so but yeah that is just like that is an attractive base stage great so what else and for the power source we are having solar cells and rechargeable batteries in this in this and the base station is going to have the input from the power line for for charging the batteries is it really weight is it light or it is very light yeah okay it is about the word of a banana okay you know to give you the correct look and feel average and we have put these different colors so that people do not mistake them mistake it as a banana otherwise it is you know yeah yeah i understand i understand i think a child would try to eat it anyway so maybe we should consider that there may be health and safety aspects or we did not think of that yet so for the power source apparently you still you want to use both solar cells and batteries yes that is right you mean okay i do not really know if the solar cells are actually necessary anymore if we are recharging base station where are you going to place them it will be always at top somewhere at there top somewhere there if i was going to place them i put them on the top here since that is like do you have enough surface but yeah i do not i really do not think it is necessary to have the solar cells yeah because now we are having rechargeable batteries so that what will be the autonomy roughly the what sorry the autonomy autonomy what do you mean how long do the battery how long do it be out of a station a long time yeah 8 to 10 hours no no no it should be weeks no most of the time it is not being used yeah so it is yeah but people do not like to put it back in the base station all the time people leave want to leave it on the couch so no 8 or 10 hours of working if you are just leaving like that it will be much longer yeah for weeks yeah that is right all right next slide yeah regular chip for control pricing is was a factor so that is why we have gone for a regular chip only not that one ship and that is it okay okay good good this is look at all the ways that is right okay those are very sounds very good nothing else to add i like yeah i like i like it maybe the thing that convinced me the less is the the multi functional buttons looks a bit you want to have more functional buttons looks a bit puzzled i do not know how to say you the buttons change their function depending if not it is not a we want to keep it simple so that this button is for teletanks which is usually also the case that usually there is a teletext button and once you press that the channel buttons they become the scrolling buttons and the volume button will will become it is up to you means now the fact both will be could be useful means let us say this this can move the larger digits and this can move the smaller digits or can move between positions that is right and what about people who want to use digits but real buttons well yeah yeah so there was a constraint that the surface area which we have on this banana on one side because of the shape so we are targeting a segment which is just very trendy kind of thing they do not care about the buttons anymore have you thought about configuration and all this kind of stuff it is all automatic it is all automatic okay okay yeah we are living in a wonderful world bannanas everywhere okay so automatically configured well right so we have to go through now evaluations yeah so your slides are already 0 you are 4 if i so this is one which one yeah okay i i constructed a list of criteria based on the general user requirements and this criteria will be evaluated it is a logical criteria users must say if it is true or if it is false in a scale ranging from 0 to 7 why this strange vector of 7 because it actually sorry usually i have seen that scales are from one to 7 it is from one to 7 sorry because it should be an even it should be an even scale and 5 is too short and 9 is too long okay okay fine in order to have enough granularity it is in order to have enough granularity in the evaluation the variance is minimal i am answering your question okay go ahead and that is the criteria i found more useful i think i could write the criteria on the whiteboard and we all 4 could range okay could evaluate the okay so you can say fancy handy handy okay let us evaluate if it is fancy yeah it is fancy according to me to me 7 but yeah 677 by me 6 i would say 7 it is quite fancy so you can add 7 +6 +7 plus no way yeah 55 maybe maybe 6 it is okay 615 handy handy again 6 point handy i would give it a 6 i think it is probably more handy than my current remote because of the scroll wheels but maybe lose the point for not having the extra buttons when you really if you do need them for some reason but you know you can always use your other remote so 776 yeah 6 6 6 functional i will give 5 i would say well it depends when you say functional do you mean it does what we want it to do or it does what it does you know can a a a a cophie you know for remote control does he have all the capabilities yeah it is compared to the all remote control that is before the standards what is available in the bucket of the shit i just say 4 actually i do not know what are the real specification of a universal remote remote it is not a universal remote i is not a universe but it is for all kind of tvs yeah well all tvs but only only tvs so it is universal but for tvs so it is universal but for tvs 4 5 4 4 4 so 42 just 4 4 put it 4 obviously there are some outliers so okay cool cool device there i will give it 7 it means cool features like new features actually that is right which while a tv the most important feature which i felt was the locator which is a cool feature and then scroll buttons are again cool features we do not have lcd for it but that we decided we do not want to have yeah i go type 5 i will say 5 6 7 so 6 yeah i say i say 7 so it is 7 yeah because it is 5 5 7 7 okay okay definitely easy to use definitely 7 so 7 so 7 7 and you 5 you have a new 5 outlayer 7 sorry i have them okay okay okay alright now here is a $60000000 question well €25 question of course i would buy the mine commander thank you what are you guys working of course the more difficult question for the question for the question more difficult question for the end i will say 5 €25 i find it quite cheap actually i do not know it depends if you live in switzerland or you live in yeah so the target price is for world europe only for rich countries it is more targeting uk or i do not know the initial specifications were for the whole europe or so this is selling cost not protection cost yeah this is the initial specifications yeah sure i will say 6 it is quite cheap actually i would say 2 i do not want to benighter or make living room table bonata remote to be nice really handy actually if you see it is handy it is so handy it is handy but it is terrible anybody who comes here anybody who comes here home he will at least ask once what is this yeah but it is not a positive thing it is a very positive thing well you see like that it is it is handy it is economic but it is a banana do not forget who we are targeting also we are well actually i i would buy this so no well yeah i yeah would be young not telling that you are young like a teenager for instance no it is i i i would buy you are crazy teenager and you like fun you want to flaunt with your girlfriend or something yeah you want to show the beautiful banana you have or might be it does some other kind of thing still i would say too i do not think at any stage in my life i would want a banana or my control really yeah crazy i can say maybe there is a market for it 0 yeah i know i know so you say 2 i say 5 i say 5 you say i changed the question so what did the question so yeah i will load the you will have to reload yeah i think so okay so it depends if yeah it is 2 different situations if you really need a universal remote control or if you would change your remote control for a new one yeah that is 2 different question if i had if i had to spend €25 if that was like my limit maybe i would buy it because the other €25 remote controls are probably going to look worse than a banana and they might not be as easy as this yeah this is kind of you know handy to use so when i stick with ring i go slightly up 6 it still has the word of course at the beginning so i do not know we have 65 i will give it a i will give it a 4 now so we are 6 64 6 so it is 55 more or less yeah okay so the last question would i change my remote control from amanda manana no we can not so one actually yeah we well if the same thing i would yeah let us put 2 i would say 3 i mean my remote control is kind of at home is pretty terrible if it was changed my remote control of my dvd player for amanda banana then i would be more in inclined to but because it is really bad but i would say a 3 i will still give it 55 yeah 235 you are a romantic really i would say 2 and 2 so it is something a 35 man yeah 35 who is the ad liar you said 5 no i said 5 he said 5 he is a little liar okay just do some i do not know if it is a it is not very promising but you know we are not young no because there are more yeah we should not sum like that well maybe we should we should because the last 2 questions is much more important than the rest actually otherwise we would not sell there is some formula you are using that says you have to sum them up no i did not prepare anything i did not prepare anything well just leave it at that then yeah oops so maybe we should stick to a general feeling yeah we can have out of these numbers which is that well we should go for it do you want me to sound no i think it is not it is falling you just lose information if you saw it okay so let us move so let us move let us move on yeah sure okay now we have to estimate the cost okay so i prepare an excel sheet where we are going to calculate the production cost we should be below 125 so i already put some put some numbers here okay we are going to go through so this is the number the number of components we need for this thing so it appears that there were things that we did not thought about and also things that i forget to put like solar cells well we just started against the solar cells so yeah finally we say no okay so let us go let us go let us go through all the the lights so hand dynamo this is something we did not thought about but you mean charging it by shaking the banana yeah i think rechargeable batteries will take care of the power thing yeah yeah to bring the cost so we stick to battery one yeah no kinetic also why i do not see the difference between kinetic and hand ino well maybe dynamo is like you have to actually 0 you have to okay so kinetic is really shaking the banana yeah yeah crazy okay so those bananas falling what is for let us go ahead so we only have one for battery and then for electronics so i did not put anything for the month so we have the regular chip on the print yeah which is one yeah and that is it okay so we hit and we have sample speaker yeah so one yeah well the cost of that is very 0 yeah yeah the cost is crazy well actually that that no that sample speaker is not we are not using that we are just using the the beep the very beep simple beep that is that sample thing is like voice recording and everything okay so i remove it yeah i say that yeah and we have so do not we need the well there is no listing for radio frequency thing yeah so we will put some x ress if there is something yeah maybe we will see later okay so in for the case i put single curved okay to reduce the cost it is okay well wait a 2nd because we have to think it is double curved it has got a 0 it has got all the direction so do not worry well yeah it is monotonic it has got a wild direction it has got but if you hold it that way that is 2 curved one on the side one on that side but the opposite sides actually this is actually i mean this probably this probably actually costs more than 3 yeah so let us put one here in the back curve instead of single lock all right so we stick to plastic it costs nothing that is right well did not we say we want to do a rubber no too no or if you drop it too expensive we are already at 11 we will come back we will come back and see if we can fit it in okay so i put a rubber one okay so special color yellow yeah for the interface we have we do not have any push buttons no we have 2 push buttons we have 3 no that is scroll wheel itself it will be put in that no we have all and we have 3 push buttons okay okay okay when you wrote regular chip you should put 2 because there is another chip here no it is not cheap this is just radio frequency thing yeah yeah but chip no there is no chip there it just emits the signal it just and the receiver accepts it and yeah it does nothing hachshund no just seems the signal it is a recharger thing okay we did not think thought about integrated scroll wheel push buttons well i actually did think about it myself but i thought you know because you could potentially you know you could be pushing it down as you scroll it for a instead of a turbo but you know the turbo button just adds that extra class yeah know so i mean if we if we are over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that okay so no lcd so for we have no button supplements right no in fact could you could not we consider this button as a button supplement because 0 no these are these are for colors and special forms special colors and special materials we are not we do not need anything special okay so we all over object yeah so 1st thing which we should take care of is make it plastic instead of rubber let it be plastic and then we are basically on budget except for you know ¢10 and that much money will be required for the base station which is not there yeah yeah so maybe in fact you have to put 2 here because it costs nothing yeah well yeah the base station is made out of many years of time so it might be 90 centimes for the remaining things which the cord and everything exactly exactly so we have margin for that stuff that is right does that include charging circuitry and everything yeah maybe okay good yeah excellent so what do we do with the extra profits we will invest in r d okay let us be extra fruit yeah so well we are under the cost so we can go through 2 project evaluation okay so now we have a product which nobody would buy yeah would buy sorry no we have a product which none of us would buy the valuation project which is different none of us will buy it no there is people in milan and in paris they are going to buy it massively yeah we are not in milan or paris yeah okay you have been in milan a couple of times actually there were a lot of battery and you said the lowest the lowest scores this is battery which you can detachable battery that is because i am sick of yeah for the batteries extra battery yeah so project process well in fact i did not know really what to say here if you have any ideas or what we can say so i do not understand what they mean by satisfaction on 4 example should it be more like a status of these meetings in fact yeah yeah well in fact we use a little bit the whiteboard and the digital pen not that much i think we had a fair bit of creativity 0 yeah it is really creative but i think one thing we missed out of this whole process was a like a focus group with the actual people were targeting we needed some of these kind of young trend setters to come in and play with the banana and you know see if they they liked it see if i like it yeah maybe we should go through yeah an evaluation because yeah the evaluation for us is is kind of pointless so maybe you should we should do kind of evaluation in the streets like asking to young people wow do you like to have a banana as a remote control because it would also be interesting to find out if we have a market in really young children as well to see you know how to market this thing because you know well i mean maybe you do not want to give all your kids their own remote because they will be changing the channel all the time but you know maybe in some households where there is you know a tv for each kid then you know banana remote control could be fun for them as well might as draw a face on it so but i think that is something we need to work on next time is really finding out more about the target market yeah any new ideas we could investigate next time i do not know range is yeah the cost of the thing can be made more than maybe because i think it is just the optimal what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to yeah i think there are ways we could maybe simplify the interface well just the circuit board that we are using inside i am not sure really how complicated our needs are i mean what we have is 2 push buttons and 2 scroll wheels do we really need an integrated circuit to process that so a more general remote control instead of just focusing on tv the complexity should not be much higher you said if it goes for dvd then i and also for mood lighting and stuff that would be rather cool i think that is actually something that should be in version 2 it is the ability to control things other than the tv and not just electronic equipment but the whole environment of the room okay very good so what else well done i think we can go home i am pleased that is right yeah maybe you can ask the production department to make a real prototype that we can use at home to evaluate okay so so okay so thanks very much thank you bye thank you bye it was we did not get the pop up this time that meeting is 5 minutes yeah nikko was longer than yours okay no no i do not know that comes 0 0 0" ]

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[ "okay hi team hope you had a good lunch okay we are back for the conceptual design meeting let us get started kay here is the agenda for today is meeting we are going to open it and i am going to keep the minutes as project manager we are going to have 3 presentations one from each of you again and then we are going to come to decision on the remote control concepts and then we are going to close it up and we have 40 minutes again kay and just to reiterate after this meeting the team will reach a decision on the concepts of the remote control okay let us go ahead and start off with your presentations who would like to go 1st just trying to move mine right now okay courtney would you mind starting us off yeah okay trend watching yeah kay okay so trend watching since we do put the fashion in electronics it is kind of important how our product looks so i guess we can go ahead and go to the next so what they want right now customers want fancy versus functional basically about 58% of what they like of the product that they want describing like the in order of how much they want 58% of the decision of what it should look like fancy versus functional and then it has to also be technologically innovative and yet easy to use so the customer basically is confused they do not know exactly what they want they want us to tell them they want everything but simply yes exactly okay so we can go to next kay okay so in milan and paris recently the trends have been showing that clothing shoes and furniture are basically just covered with fruits and vegetable patterns so i do not know if we want to go with that and also the spongy feel is in in contrast to last year i do not know really i mean i guess the spongy could relate to the buttons if we want to rather than like a hard clicky button that you find on like some mobiles and stuff you would want like a softer touch i mean do you guys know what i mean yeah th right yes yeah but as for the fruits and vegetable patterns i do not know if we really want to go with that because it is just a trend and our product we want to stay around for much longer than just a few months because yeah right i i can right people do not buy a new remote every so often i mean that could just be a spring thing right now i can address some of that issue i think with my presentation okay awesome okay so design preferences we need easy to read like large buttons clearly labeled so that i mean cause we talked about that being a problem and then also buttons illuminating upon touch you said that in your design with the bulb and that could also tie in with the color scheme we need the real reaction logo and color scheme obviously that is one of our key goals we want to promote our product and i was thinking about different types of designs and i came up with something actually right here so what we could do is something like an old fashioned telephone like this where we put the buttons around like we would put a big on off button or something else in the middle i mean it could be the arrows or whatever for channel up and down and then put the numbers around in like an old fashioned dial shape cause then it will appeal to older generation and like said retro is cool so it is classically retro so i mean that is just an idea if you guys like it very good i like it okay ready for the next slide and yep and that is it op kay okay great great presentation ready okay hang on kay see if it is there which one is it i do not know hang on interface concepts no interface concepts new either refresh it or it sh 0 wait maybe i did not put it there y hang on kay mine will always read copy of something or other sorry i i copied mine before i sent it over 0 okay sorry hang on do not know 0 there we go okay okay looking at the interface concept it is going to be mostly examples of possibilities of where we can go with this if you want to start the next slide sure can not really see but there is 2 possible ways on the r left if you see on th on the sides of of the remote you have the sort of scroll down so you have that option right there and then also there is the idea of the base that is sort of like an idea there and then on the right we have what is really big trend right now it is the ipod it is becoming really and so you have this sort of very very simplistic menu section with the round buttons and it is sort of like you have the both kind of trendy and hip but also very sleek and and very simple but technologically advanced so if you wanted to do that th if we could find a way of sort of like using that idea in a remote control then sort of look into it but anyway next kay there is the idea of like being able to do it by feel as well as by by sight you would you know you are in the dark you do not want to be looking at the remote control and the picture particularly is pointing out if you look at the top volume button it is a v and so yo you are kind of feeling a v like volume up what it really is is a v and what it you think it is is down because the down arrow and so it is like a sort of a criticism you would probably turn that 0 the other way up but then you have you could either do it by raised type which could be you know iffy sort of old fashioned in a way either that or just have it by shape for example you have a specific triangular shape that you know you are looking at the up and down arrow and then the round ones you sort of feel by you know that is the 2nd one down that sort of thing so it is sort of looking into how we wanted t to do it by feel okay okay this is sort of an example of going for a s certain demographic this is particularly geared towards children that is cute it is very cute and we could probably change it to yellow bright yellow for like a the for the company logo and you have the shapes and it is very simplistic and friendly looking and then the other thing that it would be able to do is just to pro be ab you program certain channels that only these children would watch so it is like they ch watch you know the c beebies or something like that keep them away from other channels so that is like another ar i mean these are 3 examples sort of looking at it okay you have the wider section for the main controls there you could see how many buttons there are and then on the left you have an example of the round buttons and a simpler design on the bottom we probably would not need that because it is more for like a d v d function which we are not going to be using so again it is sort of like just give you ideas and then down at the bottom you have the logos and that is where you could put the r r real reaction kay and then finally these are like the sort of same examples but also some more just possibilities that we could go with none of them i am particularly keen on by the way yeah no but it is sort of like just taking aspects out of that and saying well out of this one we like you know the round section of b or we would like the the button size on this or i like you know the black finish or the silver finish or whatever right i have 4 of those remotes good lord okay ready that is it 0 yeah okay great job okay my turn okay okay whoo what is the title it will be copy of component design got it yeah th that looks like it kay so basic remote operation runs as follows press button makes connection with the power source and the rest of the circuit chip senses the connection chip produces a morse code infra red signal specific to that button so you press the button it produces a signal that is encoded specifically for that button transistors amplify that signal and it goes to the t v is center which interprets the signal response accordingly changes channel etcetera so that being said next slide please findings 0 which were the required materials for the basic internal construction so all the really simplistic functions that we just discussed we need rubber for buttons aluminum for battery y contacts integrated circuit which consists of a diode transistor resonator resistors and a capacitator all those basic things that make a circuit function fiberglass and thin copper wire to create the actual circuit board itself an l e d which is a light emitting diode contact disks for the buttons plastic for the casing and a power source whatever power source we have actually determined we want next slide please thank you personal preferences to save money for the components the remote should be mass produced and basic materials should be bought en masse if we find another company who can produce the required chips casing l e d any additional materials we decide we require at a less expensive rate than we ourselves are producing we should go for it next slide please just talking to the manufacturing division they suggested power options solar cells hand dynamo and kinetic power so you shake it and it increases the power i am not sure how the hand dynamo works they have yet to get back to me on that so next slide please interesting suggested casing options okay we can offer options for casing such as straight curved double curved you know very specific to the customer options for materials plastic rubber titanium wood i do not think anyone is going to go for a wood one because splinters that would be amazing though yeah no splinters would yeah certain restrictions do apply here though latex you can not do solar power with a latex one so if they want some a soft squishy rubber they can not have the solar powered option double curved you can not do titanium what is that that would be 2 curvatures so it would actually if you the shape of your hand you curve here and you curve here so you could have 2 curves that match the shape of your hand to make it more comfortable to hold now if you wanted that you can not do titanium and so you functions what for the buttons scrolling function could be very beneficial to us instead of actual buttons themselves right i think i have one more slide kay no i did not no okay the manufacturing division also has said that they have several types of chips and they have just developed a sample sensor or sample speaker chip which we could utilize push button requires a simple chip and scroll requires more complicated chip so depends on what we decide we want to do in addition to that if we are offering all those different options to the customer for producing their remote we are going to have to have multiples of each type like a double curved in rubber you know each option should have a certain select number produced with all those options so we will have to mix it up make sure we produce enough of everyone but that could also drive up the price of the actual remote itself if they know that we only produced 5000 you know double curved wooden remotes right okay and that is all i got okay alright well thank you for those informative presentations let us go back to now we have to make some decisions where were we let me just add one more thing that i could not say before and that is just that there is the new technology that they have developed on the voice recognition sure 0 this the thing we were talking about earlier right except that it is sort of odd and i am no not exactly sure why they are explaining it in the way they are there is a sample sensor and there is a sample speaker unit for so you would say like good morning coffeemaker and it would respond good morning jill but i am not sure exactly how it is going to work cause do you program do we program the responses and the questions so does that mean that the user then has to ask the specific question and can not change it in order for it to be recognized or can it be altered in a certain way or does the actually user program it to say a channel means this right yeah like using the menu to be like enter your name into the screen like on the menu options right so that way the remote reads it right so it has got like a limited memory and program it so it is sort of iffy but that is kind of what you would say i feel like voice recognition would be i do not know w it would be too hard to really i mean we could do it but program if it is within our price to get that kind of chip that would you know technology technology well we are making the chip so i mean but i guess we have to look at w what our production cost is for the chip itself anyway and it is a growing trend the higher technological like yeah the i mean just like the more advanced it is yeah the better it will sell i i thought offering some of those options for different materials that it could be made of different you know i think we would have to decide on the power options maybe so that we could reduce cost yeah cause we need to know how big it is going to be and how heavy yeah okay that kind of brings us to this let us let us see if we can decide what kind of energy source we want to have 1st and foremost okay do we want to go for batteries or a stand like the one that we saw illustrated earlier 0 the base yeah the base the charging base with rechargeable batteries i think the p i always feel like 1st i want to know what it looks like before cause if it is something really really small then it is sort of harder to imagine a base for it that was p quite a s substantial size sort of standing up yeah and we do not have multiple things that it has to control it just has to control the t v w it is not going to be a huge universal remote we need to decide well so we can figure how big it is going to be like exactly what buttons we want and exactly right what size battery and well the other thing is like even if it has got a few buttons so we want it to be bigger than this it could be like this yes i would well cause it still fits in your hand so you still wanted something that is comfortable and substantial but not necessarily full of buttons this one is really comfortable like i like the sides whatever because are you going to lose it easier but if we have the the locator then we do not have to worry about that that is true so we can make it small if we have a l locating device if we do a voice activated locator though we are going to be looking at a more substantial chip yeah so so i that is the other thing it is like you know are we going to have certain chips that are going to require bigger size period 2 double a s for this size but like you know if we get more complicated then it is going to v be have to be bigger to just accommodate the chip size right honestly i think the customer would be kind of irritated by the fact that it has a base if we did do a nice small compact right i agree it is either going to be bigger with a base or smaller with just yeah so we sh smaller without yeah a battery like this guy yeah yeah alright so what direction do you want to go in you want to vote i think if we had a a locating device with the small one i think that seems way more advanced i am kind of i am kind of leaning in the direction of this kind of yeah i am a away from the base bigger and the base yeah yeah kay so that just seems so clunky and yeah because i mean if even looking at cellphones right now those trends the smaller the hotter it is yeah smaller and smaller yeah yeah yeah okay the only problem with that is if you forget to take it out of your pocket and it goes in wash 0 you are kidding you know it happens yeah i have had 3 watches go that way too 0 watches i have but i have never washed a cell phone ouch a phone whoa that would wow that would hurt okay so what kind of material do we want to be made out of pieces everywhere well we have lots of options i do not think wood is a viable option yeah wood no well titanium s i was saying that titanium if we are being restricted then 0 what did you 0 sorry go ahead i would probably lean away from that yeah cause if it is going to cost us more to produce a chip titanium will be more expensive right however well we only want to sell it for €25 right what would you recommend yeah yeah cause i was thinking if we wanted to get the high in market then you could produce a few in titanium make them a rarity so to speak that will yeah exactly the selling point yeah we could do that because all our research shows that people are definitely willing to spend more if are we restricted by this yeah well the original i i think we should just focus on one design and one concept right now €25 okay remotes if this was a successful remote we might then produce a higher end version of it i think yeah good plan good plan okay so we want to go for plastic or what would you recommend for materials honestly i would recommend like since we are going with batteries instead of solar power i would recommend maybe a soft like latex because we could produce you know how cellphones have those overlays that you can change the color we could do one that fits in with the trends of the year so because this year is all fruit god only knows why 0 yeah who knows we could do f a cherry cover for this year and then i if next year is stripes or solids you know okay so you are talking about like when it leaves our salesroom then it is all going to be cherry colored or is it going to be the kinda thing where people come back and swap it 0 or we could like take off this they could buy cases maybe they could come back and buy the extra case okay if they wanted i think it is good to sell a basic thing and then sell so we could do like a b a hard base plastic and then we could give 2 latex covers to start options yeah the what the top face right yeah okay okay yeah because the soft latex definitely is squishy that is in well i mean squishier than like yeah just a hard plastic right right okay and what kind of chip would we need for this guy how complicated are we going to go with the voice activated yeah i do not think we should do voice i think we should just do the recognition for when it is lost you know a tracker yeah could we yeah cause that what it type of yeah for voice activation would it be like a certain term what we would say like because people could just be talking and we do not want it going off all the time right so well we could give it a specific code you know remote missing ooh see i am i am strangely attracted to it because i know that is it is definitely going to be big because it is i do not know it is just so high tech well my little sister got for christmas she got one of those key finders that is like a key ring and you have to whistle in a certain frequency for it to work yeah see that would just irritate me and then she would laugh and it would start going off in her purse and you could not turn it off 0 dear 0 then maybe voice so it became highly irritating okay maybe voice activation will not be good so i think having a key phrase is much better okay alright but it is not going to be voice activated in the fact that you would say channel up and it would work right yeah n n no we just want it to be a finder but then it just a okay alright no okay but do can your can the department make that would be like a mid class yeah 0 brilliant then so we do not actually have to go for well if they have just developed the sample sensor sample speaker it is a brand new chip why not introduce it in this way no yeah good point kay and what size batteries double a triple a i think triple a it will be lighter 2 could it run off of 2 i mean more more come in a package well that depends on what the energy is needed yeah i think well we could d r do 2 or we could do one small lithium cause you know the lithium batteries are doing quite well in most other electronic products right so they are more widely available now and they also have a longer battery life than most batteries they are more expensive though too but if you only have to replace it every 5 years that is a good point thoughts anybody as long as we sell it with it well how about a initial you get one battery when you buy it cause i am pretty sure we can get them pretty cheap on bulk right that is what i meant we could think about it and come back to it next meeting okay yeah yeah we still have one more meeting alright okay so we have covered that 1st category user interface concept meaning design what is it going to yeah what is it going to look like okay i ki i kind of like your idea about the retro phone dial and that the central button could have maybe our logo on it it might be the 4 way scroll too yeah it could be whatever as long as there is something big in the middle because like the old phones i mean if yeah yeah there is like that just like piece of metal or like a picture or something in the middle well my issue with that is if it got too big though cause if you have the circle and the button in the middle then is it going to get wider than your your hands are because w and then would the buttons be too small if it was enough to fit on it 0 that is true good point in the sample ones that you showed us there was one that had the scroll buttons on the side yeah yeah which i think if we make it curved like a hand like a hand shape like if we put the the scroll button on the side that could be particularly useful 0 i see what you mean i think so so scroll buttons on the side and then buttons on top yeah i like that kay but we definitely if we have scroll things on the side we definitely have to have em labeled yeah like on the side of it well if it is just up and down 0 if it is just up and down but is that for which volume or channel i do not know well you could do some on both sides do we have both sides can we yeah we should probably make it that you have to depress it to activate it then yeah so that you are just not holding it and it changes the chan cause oth otherwise you are not just holding it and going like this you know that is squishy that is squishy well the other option is in instead of a scroll you just have the buttons up on the side which are on the side have buttons okay yeah yeah that kay any other ideas what color 0 yeah latex covers we have to make sure that logo always sticks out when we put the latex covers on w so we will have to like have a little square or something so that the our logo is available well i sort of like having the a yellow strip at the bottom with the r r like that yeah and that is at the bottom of it i think maybe we should do it on a b button itself though because if people are able to change the covers i do not know maybe the on off button which button something some the menu button i do not know but you know if we are going to put our company logo on there and somebody could just get another one are they all going to have our company logo on them every cover yeah i do not think we should do that because that would just be icky yeah so i think maybe putting it on a button is probably a good idea if we want it to be visible and are all those those one that you showed where they were s met silver metallic looking yeah but those are plastic right yeah they are not titanium i kind of like that look but or if it was really yeah for the base or if we are going for the retro look for our base one i think like a really shiny black would be cool yeah or like a gun metal gray cause then it combines the silver and the black what are your thoughts gun metal gray there you go gun metal gray i am just really wary of the putting anything on a button why it will wear off what is the button well w w then what is the button do and how do you know that that is what the button does yeah buttons wear off i guess just looking at examples y you just do not ever see the logo on a button it is always on the actual casing right there is nothing saying that we have to put the logo on the front of the actual but we want it to be seen on the back but you do not but yeah you do not see it it d visible visibility though cause if it was only on the back really the only time you are going to see it is when you drop it or when you are changing the battery we need it to be seen well hang on the other option is i do not know if you can see it but it is like if i can find it again yeah it is like the 2nd to last slide okay and yours was called interface concept interface yeah this one yeah well for some reason i can not get it to just go to that slide directly okay it is the very right one you see at the bottom it is kind of difficult to see but you have like a d sort of s division between the bottom like where the logo is and if we have the replaceable section it is like the top it does not necessarily replace the entire top and so you have that one piece that stays and the rest just sort of clips in okay yes yes if c you envisioning it and so that stays the same when you have the logo and then you have this s slip that kinda clips in and that is the bit that changes okay the only problem is we are using a latex overlay so it actually would go over top of everything and have holes for the buttons so i was thinking maybe instead of doing that what we could do is leave a space for where the logo should be yeah yeah yeah like a little cut out kind of yeah right that is like you know a a cellphone it is like the the screen is always just left opened okay right and so what we are going to do it like bright yellow with the r r yeah some of tho anybody see anything that they liked in these ones well some of those buttons though are blue based well a lot of those buttons are blue based well kind of and then if v we do have them illuminate upon contact they could illuminate yellow yellow yellow i like that idea yeah like if we like the one all the way on the left you ca you can see it on your computer better where the button is actually blue but the number itself is clear or white or whatever so if you pressed it would illuminate yellow so we would have blue and yellow for the touch buttons 0 that one i like the yellow illumination idea very good yeah okay any other ideas or thoughts we all seem to be fairly in agreement about what we want to do with this project so ha hang on let me catch up yeah kay did we finalize what buttons we are including or we just everything that we said before i think there will be time for that later i am guessing kay well we are going to wrap this up next meeting is going to start in 30 minutes and here is what we are each of us going to do the i d is going to do the look and feel design the u i d the user interface design i think you are going to get a lot of i mean the final say on what buttons get put we will all talk about it but i think that is pretty much what you are going to do right yeah i guess kay and you are going to do some product evaluation okay and right now the i d and u i d you 2 are going to work together on a prototype using modeling clay great yeah fun play doh okay and you should all be getting an email pretty soon alright well thank you for a very productive meeting wonderful ooh" ]

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[ "both mine are on both mine are on mine too one too okay okay i am on okay okay all right okay hi team okay we are back for the conceptual design meeting let us get started okay here is the agenda for today is meeting we are going to open it and i am going to keep the minutes as project manager we are going to have 3 presentations one from each of you again then we are going to come to decision on the remote control concepts and then we are going to close it up we have 40 minutes again and just to reiterate after this meeting the team will reach a decision on the concepts of their remote control okay let us go ahead and start off with your presentations who would like to go 1st just trying to move mine right now okay courtney would you mind starting us off yeah go ahead trend watching yeah okay so trend watching since we do put the fashion electronics it is kind of important how our product looks so i guess we can go ahead and go the next so what they want right now customers want fancy versus functional basically about 58% of what they like of the product that they want describe me like the in order of how much they want 58% of the decision of what it should look like fancy versus functional and then it has to also be technologically innovative and yet easy to use so the customer basically is confused they do not know exactly what they want they want us to tell them they want everything yes exactly so we can go next okay so in milan and paris recently the trends have been showing that clothing shoes and furniture are basically just covered with fruits and vegetable patterns so i do not know if we want to go with that and also the spongy feels in in contrast to last year i do not know really i mean i guess the spongy could relate to the buttons if we want to rather than like a hard clicky button that you find on like some mobiles and stuff you would want like a softer touch i mean do you guys know what i mean right yeah but as for the fruits and vegetable patterns i do not know if we really want to go with that because it is just a trend and our product we want to stay around for much longer than just a few months right people do not buy a new remote yeah i mean that could just be a spring thing right now i can address some of that issue i think with my presentation okay awesome so design preferences we need easy to read like large buttons clearly labeled i mean because we talked about that being a problem and then also buttons illuminating upon touch you said that in your design with the bulb and that could also tie in with the color scheme we need the real reaction logo a color scheme obviously that is one of our key goals we want to promote our product and i was thinking about different types of designs and i came up with something actually right here so what we could do is something like an old fashioned telephone like this where we put the buttons around like we put a big on off button or something else in the middle i mean it could be the arrows or whatever for channel up and down and then put the numbers around in like an old fashioned dial shape because then it will appeal to older generation and like you said retro it is cool so it is classically retro so i mean that is just an idea you guys i like it okay ready for the next slide yeah and that is it okay okay great great presentation ready okay see if it is there which one is it i do not know hang on interface concept no interface concepts either refresh it or it is 0 wait maybe i did not put it in there hang on mine will always read copy of something rather sorry i copied mine before i sent it in a little 0 okay sorry hang on do not read it there we go okay looking at the interface concept is going to be mostly examples of possibilities of where we can go with this if you want to start the next slide share i can not really see it but there is 2 possible ways on the left if you see it on the sides of the remote you have the sort of scroll down so you have that option right there and then also there is the idea of the base that is sort of like an idea there idea there and then on the right you have what is really big trend right now is the ipods becoming really fast thing and so you have this sort of very very simplistic menu sections with the round buttons and it is sort of like you have the both kind of trendy and hip but also very sleek and very simple but technologically advanced so if you wanted to do that if we could find a way of sort of like using that idea in a remote control and sort of look into it but anyway next there is the idea of being able to do it by feel as well as by sight you know you are in the dark you do not want to be looking at your remote control and the picture particularly is pointing out if you look at the top volume button it is a v and so you are kind of feeling a v like volume up what it really is is a v and what you think it is is down it is the down arrow and so it is like sort of criticism you would probably turn that the other way up but then you have you could either do it by raised type which could be you know iffy sort of old fashioned in a way either that or just have it by shape for example you have a specific triangular shape that you know you are looking at the up and down arrow and then the round ones you sort of feel by you know the 2nd one down that sort of thing so it is sort of looking into how we wanted to do it by feel okay okay this is sort of an example of going for a certain demographic this is particularly the gear towards children that is cute it is very cute and we could probably change it to yellow bright yellow for like a for the company logo you have the shapes and it is very simplistic and friendly looking and then the other thing that it would be able to do is just to be able to you program certain channels that only there is children have watched so it is like they watch the cbps or something like that keep them away from other channels so that is like another error these are 3 examples sort of looking at it you have the wider section for the main controls there you can see how many buttons there and then on the left you have an example of the round buttons and a simpler design on the bottom we probably would not need that because it is more for like a dvd function which we are not going to be using so again it is sort of like just giving you ideas and then down at the bottom you have the logos and that is where you can put the rr real reaction and then finally these are like the sort of same examples but also some more just possibilities that we could go with none of them are particularly keen on by the way yeah yeah but it is sort of like just taking aspects out of that and saying well out of that saying well out of this one we like you know the round section or we like the button size on this or i like you know the black finish or the silver finish or whatever i have 4 of those from out okay ready that is it okay great job okay my turn okay what is the title it will be copy of component design got it yeah that looks like it okay so basic remote operation runs as follows press button makes connection with the power source and the rest of the circuit chip senses the connection chip produces a morse code infrared signal specific to that button so you press the button it produces a signal that is encoded specifically for that button transistors amplify that signal and it goes to the tv center which interprets the signal and responds accordingly changes channel etc so that being said next slide please findings which were the required materials for the basic internal construction so all the really simplistic functions that we just discussed we need rubber for buttons aluminum for battery contacts integrated circuit which consists of a diode transistor resonator resistors and a computer resistors and a capacitator all those basic things that make a circuit function fiberglass and thin copper wire to create the actual circuit board itself an led which is a light emitting diode contact disks for the buttons plastic for the casing and a power source whatever power source we have actually determined we want next slide please personal preferences to save money for the components the remote should be mass produced and basic materials should be bought en masse if we find another company who can produce the required chips casing led any additional materials we decide we require at a less expensive rate than we ourselves are producing we should go for it next slide please just talking to the manufacturing division they suggested power options solar cells hand dynamo and kinetic power so you shake it and increase it and increases the power i am not sure how the hand dynamo works they have yet to get back to me on that so next slide please suggested casing options okay we can offer options for casing such as straight curved double curved you know very specific to the customer options for materials plastic rubber titanium wood i do not think anyone is going to go for a wood one because splinters that will be amazing though yeah no splinters in certain restrictions do apply apply here though latex you can not do solar power with a latex one so if they want soft squishy rubber they can not have the solar power adoption double curved you can not do titanium that would be 2 curvature so it would actually if the shape of your hand you curve here and you curve here so you could have 2 curves that match the shape of your hand to make it more comfortable to hold now if you wanted that you can not do titanium and suggested functions for the scrolling function could be very beneficial to us instead of actual buttons themselves i think i have one more slide no i do not the manufacturing division also has said that they have several types of chips and they have just developed a sample sensor or sample speaker chip which we could utilize push button requires a simple chip and scrolls and scroll requires more complicated chip so it depends on what we decide we want to do in addition to that if we are offering all those different options to the customer for producing their remote we are going to have to have multiples of each type like a double curved in rubber each option should have a certain select number produced with all those options so we will have to mix it up make sure we produce enough of everyone but that could also drive up the price of the actual remote itself if they know that we only produced 5000 you know double curved wooden remotes okay that is all i got all right well thank you for those informative presentations let us go back to now we have to make some decisions let me just add one more thing that i could could not say before and that is just that there is new technology that they have developed on the voice rescue mission 0 this is the thing we are talking about earlier right except it is sort of odd and i am not exactly sure why they are explaining it in the way they are there is a sample sensor and there is a sample speaker unit or so you would say like good morning coffee maker and it would respond good morning joe but i am not sure exactly how it is going to work because do you program the we program the responses and the questions does that mean that the user then has to ask the specific question and can not change it in order for it to be recognized or can it be altered in a certain way or does the actual user program it right channel means this yeah like using the menu to be like enter your name into the screen like on the menu option so that way the remote read it so it has got like a limited memory and so you to program it so it is sort of iffy right that is kind of what you would say i feel like that voice recognition would be i do not know it would be too hard to really program i mean we could do it but if it is within our price to get that kind of chip that would you know well we are making the chip so i mean but i guess we have to look at what our production cost is for the chip itself and it is a growing trend the higher technological cool like the i mean just like the more advanced it is yeah better it will sell i thought offering some of those options for different materials that it could be made of different you know i think we would have to decide on the power options maybe so that we could reduce cost yeah how heavy okay that kind of brings us to this let us see if we can decide what kind of energy source we want to have 1st and foremost do we want to go for batteries or a stand like the one that we saw illustrated earlier 0 the base yeah the base the charging base i think the recharging batteries i want to know what it looks like before because there is something really really small then it is sort of harder to imagine the base for it that was quite a substantial size sort of standing up yeah and we do not have multiple things that it has to control just has to control the tv it is not going to be a huge universal remote we need to decide well so we can figure out how big it is going to be like what size battery and what buttons we want and exactly the other thing is like even if it has got a few buttons so we want it to be bigger than this yes because it still fits in your hands so you still want it something that is comfortable and substantial but not necessarily full of buttons this one is really comfortable like i like the sides or whatever it will lose it easier but if we have the locator then we do not have to worry about that that is true so we can make it small if we have like a locating device if we do a voice activated locator though we are going to be looking at a more substantial chip so that is the other thing it is like you know are we going to have certain chips that are going to require a bigger size period 2 double a is for the size but like you know if we get more complicated then it is going to have to be bigger to just accommodate the ship size honestly i think the customer would be kind of irritated by the fact that it has a base if we did do a nice small compact right i agree it is either going to be bigger with a base or smaller with just a battery like this guy all right so what direction do you want to go in do you want to vote i think if we had a locating device with a small one i think that seems way more advanced i am kind of leaning in the direction of this kind of bigger and the base that just seems clunky yeah because i mean even looking at cell phones right now those trends the smaller and smaller it is okay the only problem with that is you forget to take it out of your pocket and it goes in the wash 0 you are kidding you know it happens i had 3 watches go that way too ouch i have never watched the phone 0 that would wow that would hurt okay so what kind of material do we want to be used to have well we have lots of options i do not think wood is a viable option no what did you sorry go ahead i was just saying the titanium if we are being restricted then i would probably lean away from that yeah because if it is going to cost us more to produce a chip titanium would be more expensive right however what would you recommend well we only want to sell it for €25 right yeah because i was thinking if we wanted to get the high end market then you could produce a few in titanium make them a rarity sort of we could do that because all our research shows that people are definitely willing to spend more are we restricted by this i think we should just focus on one design and one concept right now i am not sure that we will have the time and money to produce a whole array of remotes if this was a successful remote we might then produce a higher end version of it i think good plan good plan okay so we want to go for plastic or what would you recommend for materials honestly i would recommend like since we are going with batteries instead of solar power i would recommend maybe a soft latex because we could produce you know how cell phones have those overlays that you can change the color we could do one that fits in with the trends of the year so because this year is all fruit god do not know what knows why who knows we could do a cherry cover for this year and then if next year is stripes or solids you know okay so you are talking about like when it leaves our sales room then it is all going to be cherry colored or is it going to be the kind of thing where people come back and swan it off they can come back cases maybe and buy the extra case if they wanted i think it is good to sell a basic thing and then sell so we could do like a hard base plastic and then we could give the 2 latex covers to start okay yeah because the soft latex definitely is squishy that is in well i mean squishier than like right yeah just a hard plastic okay and what kind of chip would we need for this guy how complicated are we going to go with the voice activated i do not think we should do voice i think we should just do the recognition for when it is lost you know could we yeah because i do not know what type of yeah for voice activation would it be like a certain term what would we say because people could just be talking and we do not want it going off all the time right well we could give it a specific code you know remote missing ooh see i am strangely attracted to it because i know that is definitely going to be big because it is i do not know it is just so high tech my little sister got for christmas she got one of those key finders that is like a key ring and you have to whistle in a certain frequency for it to work yeah see that would just irritate and then she would laugh and it would start going off in her purse and you could not turn it off 0 then it became highly irritating okay so i think having a key phrase is much better okay all right but it is not going to be voice activated in the fact that you would say channel up and it would work right yeah no no no we did not know it would be a fine okay all right but do you can your can the department make that would be like a mid class 0 brilliant then so we do not actually have to go for well if they have just developed a sample sensor sample speaker it is a brand new chip why not introduce it in this way yeah good point and what size batteries double a triple a i think aaa it will be lighter 2 can it run off of 2 more come in a package i think well we could do to we could do one small lithium because you know the lithium batteries are doing quite well in most other electronic products right so they are more widely available now and they also have a longer battery life than most batteries they are more expensive though too but if you only have to replace it every 5 years that is good as long as we saw it with it well how about an initial you get one battery when you buy it because i am pretty sure we can get them we could think about it okay okay yeah yeah all right okay so we have covered that 1st category user interface concept meaning design yeah what is it going to look like okay i kind of like your idea about the retro phone dial and that the central button could have maybe our logo on it it might be the 4 way scroll too yeah it could be whatever as long as there is something big in the middle because like the old phones there is like that just like piece of metal or like a picture or something in the middle my issue is that is if it got too big though because if you have the circle and the button in the middle then is it going to get wider than your hands are and then would the buttons be too small if it was enough to fit on it good point in the sample ones that you showed us there was one that had the scroll buttons on the side yeah which i think if we make it curved like a hand shape like if we put the scroll button on the side that could be particularly useful i think so so scroll buttons on the side and the buttons on the top yeah i like that okay but we definitely if we have scroll things on the side definitely have to have them labeled yeah like on the side if it is just up and down if it is just up and down but is that for volume or channel which i do not know well you could do some on both sides can we yeah we should probably make it that you have to depress it to activate it then yeah because otherwise you are not just holding it and going like this well the other option is instead of a scroll you just have the buttons up on the side which you are on the side okay yeah is not it okay any other ideas what color 0 yeah latex covers we have to make sure that the logo always sticks out when we put the latex cover on so we will have to have a little square or something so that the logo is it is sort of like having a yellow strip at the bottom with the art like that yeah and that is at the bottom of it i think maybe we should do it on a button itself though because people are able to change the covers i do not know maybe the on off button something some the menu button i do not know but you know if we are going to put our company logo on there and somebody could just get another one are they all going to have our company logo on them every cover yeah i do not think we should do that because that would just be you know you know yeah so i think maybe putting it on a button is probably a good idea if we want it to be visible are all those those ones that you showed where they were silver metallic looking yeah but those are plastic right you are not titanium i kind of like that look but or if it was really yeah for the base or if we are going for the retro look i think like a really shiny black would be cool yeah or like a gunmetal gray because then it combines the silver and the black there you go gun metal gray i am just really wary of the putting anything on a button why it will wear off yeah buttons wear off well then what is the button do and how do you know that that is what the button does yes just looking at examples you just do not ever see the logo on a button it is always on the actual casing right there is nothing saying that we have to put the logo on the front i want to be seen divisibility though because if it was only on the back really the only time you are going to see it is when you drop it or when you are changing the battery the other option is i do not know if you can see it but it is like if i can find it again yeah it is like the 2nd and last slide okay and yours was called interface this one yeah for some reason i can not get it to just go to that slide directly okay it is the very right one you see at the bottom it is kind of difficult to see but you have like a sort of division between the bottom like where the logo is and if we have the replaceable section it is like the top it does not necessarily replace the entire top and so you have that one piece that stays and the rest sort of clips in okay you are envisioning it yes so that stays the same when you have the logo and then you have the slip that kind of clips in and that is the bit that changes okay the only problem is we are using a latex overlay so it actually would go over top of everything and have holes for the buttons so i was thinking maybe instead of doing that what we could do is leave a space for where the logo should be like a little cut out kind of yeah right okay you know like a cell phone it is like the screen right it is always just left open and so what are we going to do at like bright yellow or with the r r yeah anybody see anything that they liked in these months well some of those buttons are blue based well a lot of those buttons are blue based well kind of and then if we do have them illuminate upon contact they can illuminate yellow yellow i like that idea like if we like the one all the way on the left you can not you can see it on your computer better where the button is actually blue but the number itself is clear or white or whatever so if you pressed it it would illuminate yellow so we would have blue and yellow for the touch buttons that one i like the yellow illumination idea pretty good okay any other ideas or thoughts we also be fairly in agreement about what we want to do with this project so let me catch up okay do we finalize what buttons were including it was just everything that we said before i think there will be time for that later i am guessing okay well we are going to wrap this up next meeting is going to start in 30 minutes and here is what we are each of us going to do the id is going to do the look and feel design the uid the user interface design i think you are going to get a lot of i mean the final say on what buttons get put well i will talk about it but i think that is pretty much what you are going to do right yeah okay and you are going to do some product evaluation okay and right now the id and uid you 2 are going to work together on a prototype using modeling clay great plato yep okay and you should all be getting an email pretty soon all right thank you for a very productive meeting meeting who" ]

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[ "yeah so we have moved over and onto the other eye link okay so cause she is running at the moment yeah i mean m my view on this was that the need for people to back up their data personally was made sufficiently clear to lab users i mean i guess right okay she did admit it as long as she admits it then then that is fine yes huh i i am just thinking you know sometimes when there is a a process error like that you think 0 then there is something we should change like make the sign in bigger red letters but i in the our case i do not think there is anything more we can do really no so well i doubt anybody will do that again cause that will get around but ma yes so yeah shock and worry at i think yeah there is a there is a mailing list and yeah yeah we will go we have got the mailing lists out now is not is not it so it is everyone should know about it now yeah there was a mailing list before they have just revived that right f frank went through it deleted the people that were have gone or or whatever and replaced them so the the eye the the list is now updated right okay yeah so so everyone on that list has now being reminded huh yeah do not store anythi anything sensitive on yeah do not store anything you you care about on the machines right so yes and we do not know so there is every chance of this falling over again if it is a hardware thing right yeah with the yeah i mean i di i di i did do hard dri hard drive check and a memory check but there is not much we can do about that apart from right and it says there is no there is no problems but something caused it to go wrong in the 1st place yeah why is huh so we do not know we do not know yeah yeah we will just fingers crossed and hope ho yeah ho hope that all this is just a software thing that we can just fix like that and that will be it huh yeah so how long does this put you back for is it you know how much disruption does this cause d is this a day 2 days yeah we are doing a bit see last week by the time everything and and then it will be hopefully no more than i do not know what 20 minutes today to day and a bit yeah yeah yeah huh yeah i mean there is there is so what we yeah 11 for one to actually do the re install one we will try and get done today yeah get get windows back on there you c try and get camtasia on there and get that tested out and then that will be i think that is everything we need f before we can before you can start running the experiments is not it yep so and i saw a bunch of stuff about software updates that is un unrelated to this problem right i i yeah you mean from was that joe the eye link or is that i c i did not read em i saw like 5 messages go back and forth maybe they were under the wrong subject header there was nothing nothing over last week so anyway we have well joe has produced another version of the model builder and put that up 0 no i mean the eye link software well that wa that was ruud well a few weeks ago but yeah so it is unrelated it is not that right yep it is unrelated okay good and was r was running cause frank did all that because he then had an experiment so he is run an experiment and it is all worked yeah yep so i did he get his data in or is this put his schedule back he is he is done his and got his and yes he is done it okay and he backs up anyway yep right well unfortunate but it sounds like you guys are well placed for dealing with it maybe too well placed yeah so better you than me yep yep but yeah no i have to manage to get at things working on on monday so that that everything went down like on the tuesday morning so my m i should get everything working on the yeah on monday so sure that the j c t is actually working collaborating collaborating between the 2 machines yeah i had dinner i was not actually at dinner but i d have the eye tracker stuff working cause it was just me running roun running round the lab still have to once it is re installed have to actually do a proper p yeah of proper pilot and yeah 0 so you need to borrow somebody is head and mouth and stuff to to run it right yep yeah but but it loo it looks like it was doing all the calibration and drift correction things that s ellen was wanting on it and so so that do not think there is anything to add to the software for that part yeah so i have got a new trainee who might need amusement at some point so if you need to borrow a head that talks that does not necessarily need to do much else i will th i will ask her if she would mind coming down and helping you out for a while but i guess ellen was going to be your the p the person who yeah your spare head wh a spare head or yes but she is not around right so yeah so mine is well she is actually climbing ben nevis today i think but she will be back tomorrow her name is nynke did you guys meet her do not think so nynke this seems the sort of thing that people might might find i find amusing to look at do not s do not sound do not sound familiar so i i will i will see if if she would be willing to well i did meet someone from another project of yours on wednesday evening it was 0 who is that hei heidi who is the gesture of autism 0 yeah heidi 0 yeah she is good yeah you guys might actually have something in common cause she does well you know stuff for the video coding and gesturing yep and autism and autism yeah but so okay right what am i writing okay nynke to volunteer yes sh she has been volunteered well no i will actually give her the the option but it sounds like the kind of thing where you know i think it is quite useful when you are at that stage to see the different kinds of technologies people use yeah so yeah so i will try and try and get camtasia up and running so i can try it out when when when we have got her coming in and we will just sort of do a run through of proper pilot just to just just so i can see th yeah yep make sure it it starts and finishes when it is meant to and that sort of thing as well yep yep yeah i will make sure make sure they can actually pick up the f audio signal as well so but it should be the yeah the audio signal should be coming out the speakers once it is set up properly yep so that should that should make that slightly easier yes with the the bleep was a hardware bleep originally and so it comes from the p c which is outside the sound proof box oops well you found that then yeah yep yes but yeah so they are fortunate have speakers 0 on the monitors inside the room so as long as and what we will have done is just going to set up so the whatever the asterisk sound is on windows is what gets played h it comes through the so so just change sound to whatever you like just go through the windows control panel right okay so we want one you can pick up using matlab or something right yep yeah so i will i will have that running over the weekend yeah yep aye so la last week i tried it with a one kilo hertz sound and it was it c it could detect it but it was not but but it was not very clear did it with 10 kilo hertz and it is just really clear where you can tell exactly where exactly where the beep is now okay perfect so yeah so tha it is ju just a matter of yeah you just ba basically just play it just play a 10 kilo hertz sound over the over the speech and then just compare the 2 signals basically so i have i have got a little script for doing it so so yeah yeah perfect so or you are going to bank the script some place and tell us how to run it yep yep not a problem huh cause we will not know no right well that all sounds good what else you have altered the task program because to put the little eye icon and the mouse to make it yep yeah the the one the one in just installed should have that now we will double we will double check and re install on software on the on the eye tracking machines but yeah it should should be updated without any so rather than just a blob ellen wanted something to look more like an eye so that you knew that was the eye 0 really there was like yeah 0 okay yeah so so so we have got like a big circle with a white circle in the middle of it for an eye and we got like a rectangle with 2 like rectangle buttons on it for a mouse huh okay so very nice very pretty it does not get in the way of seeing what is underneath no they are they are they are the same size as the as the original blobs basically version one but so they yeah i think the mouse is slightly bigger but it is not you know it is not it is not hugely bigger it is not too bad so huh i c i can i can see where that is useful yeah and if it ever ever gets to be a problem in the pilot i can easily reduce the size of whatever no just change it cause that is not too hard want it a reasonable size so that if they are looking at it we know they are looking at it though so so you has to be a a reasonable target for the for the tracking purposes yeah yep yeah although if if you had a big thing and it was jiggling around like anybody is business like real eye track traces then you might find that a little bit disconcerting i mean small things you kind of expect to jiggle around right but with large yeah i suppose the larger more oscillation appears that it is not w i mean it is not it is not it is not that big it will look like it is quivering you know yeah so yeah yeah but well that is all fine what else i will try it you were saying joe with the model builder yes he is produced an another version that does not have the overlap problem 0 remind me you know there was the yeah the collisions 0 yes okay the polygons now do not overlap 0 that is good marloes discovered something strange about the orientation of parallelograms from when it was constructed to when it appears in the actual task but i think that might be something to do with the original configuration than the parts that were not the same across the 2 so i will check that out to see if it really is a problem or not 0 okay and basically the parallelogram was appearing in a sort of as a mirror image of what it was like in the model builder in the actual yeah really just total it flipped in in a mirror image not rotated so it was not anything to do with rotation just the parallelogram it was f yeah just the parallelogram so entirely sure must be some way of how the vertices were described or defined in one way or compared to something else right okay so you your job in this is to ensure that it actually is a bug and then pass it to joe joe yep okay that makes sense i mean the this geometry stuff is really tricky if you do not do the fold the boxes stuff in your head well so i can imagine well cause i could get it backwards easily you know and so it is just as well for w for you to check this yes the other thing we have done is looked at n not for this current experiment but for future when we have got to build bizarre parts like air craft wings and and things something like x fig can output the vertex points for creating the air the actual polygons in the 1st place huh yeah yeah cause the model builder assumes that there is an existing set of of original parts yeah so you need to draw em in something so you need to draw them in the 1st place 0 so yeah i suggested you do that in x fig so is that a reasonable thing to do or no it it i yes yeah yeah so so you can you can do it in x fig export them as s v g and you just get a you just get a list of x y coordinates yep and then i will just write in a little script that turns those x y coordinates into a part yeah so this is this falls down completely if nijmegen can not run x fig so you better check that with em right w or something i i well the thing is it is s v g so so long as i have got something that will output s v g but okay but they may need help finding the something if they can not do x fig i suppose yeah yeah so i will als i will also have a look have a look at that but the there is there must be plenty of windows things for th that i 0 output s v g yeah so it must be a some sort of pink package min i kno i know i know microsoft though i mean well what kinds of i kn i know adobe and things have faculties that do it but obviously they are like a few £100 they are the paid yeah and so oth but other i i would b i would be very surprised if there was not a free package for doing it i ha i have a feeling that the amaya the w 3 c browser does it huh yep have a feeling that that can actually edit s v g files okay so i would not do any any work to find out what will output s v g just ask them look you know say we you need something that does s v g and then if they if they come back and say ha then y you may need to poodle around a bit looking for something but you know let them let them say they have got a problem before you spend time trying to figure out what will do it yep yep yeah yeah yeah cause and it is not it is not an immediate problem anyway yep fair enough but i thought it was worth before joe disappears just checking that the model builder is not restricted to just doing the tamgrams or something tha you know huh yeah yeah so no it does look like it is m s n 0 so well i can imagine there being shapes that you could construct in s v g format that would fox the model builder in some way i do not know i mean it cause you do not have specs about what sorts of shapes are allowed right no but as long as they are solid polygons it should be alright right it does not matter whether they are convex or concave in funny ways no it sh well hopefully that is not what the parallelogram problem is because it it does have sort of sum of angles and things yeah ex but no as far as i mean it yeah when will yeah but no i will i will create a c i will create a convex part just so next week ju yeah but it just it it just just happened to be a convex part that i was that i was i was playing with and you tried it yeah yeah yeah yeah so it it handled that fine or part of it was convex it did not have any self intersections so that might be a problem yeah so i will just have to have check that but would we want by self intersection you mean you could yeah by by a by a part of it crosses over itself s so it is sorta like a b you mean like i y yeah but that is why we no we will only be working as i say with sort of solid obvious polygons and as parts cause they will have they will have to have a central point anyway for for rotation and and grabbing yeah yeah yeah well but by self intersection here i will draw here if i can find the right end of the pen but y do you mean something like that yeah that sort of thing yeah yeah so a and you can rule out something like that right well realize what we are i would consider that 2 parts yep cause that is 2 parts for you yeah i mean you know some f rainy day you might want to think about well i do not know i mean it you know later on we can fix it if it if it turns out those parts it is not urgent now yeah if if it if it becomes a yeah i think this is not important enough yeah yep yep yeah yeah so for now we will just just assume that non interse non intersecting and yeah and then there is this at the moment the e the s v g stuff can output ones which are not closed polygons but ones ones you ones that actually had turn up into parts list it creates a closed polygon by linking the l end point to the start point the last point to the yeah yep so so yeah so as long as long as they are yeah so so so as long as they are they are drawn well enough it should be alright so but yeah huh yep suppose let nijmegen find their find their own s v g sort of find something that does s v g and then we will see if there is any problems yeah yes yeah but but but if they have trouble you know half an hour googling and helping helping them is probably worthwhile cause someti sometimes people i mean it actually i would e i would not expect them to have any trouble finding something cause j p is quite up with all the all these things yeah yeah j p is quite yeah huh so are th yeah but it mi it might be worth just checking what software they are using cause it might crea it might create outputs slightly different from x fig well you let us encourage them not to use any software that might have idiosyncratic ideas about what s v g is so she says delicately yes i have no ooh that i was not going to say the microsoft version of s v g or something yes huh i i have no idea whether they have idiosyncratic s v g output or whether but their track their track record could on some of the other standards has not there have been slightly strange things about it i have no idea either so but in my you know i mean they sh that should be if yeah that should that should be fun yeah i think it does s v j s v j output so i will i ca i can easy double check if nijmegen can not find anything so yeah i have not looked through other mail i did see something from marloes is there anything they are waiting on from us that is a problem or i they reasonably happy at the moment nope i think they have they are not waiting anything from us they have dumped the pilot the pilot studies that they generated based on the task with their english participants or english speaking participants 0 they have done the pilots yeah 0 good but they have not done anything with it other than dump the data dumped the data where is it dumped they well they dumped it on the b s c c w server b s c w but i have moved well i have not moved it i have copied it onto the c s v yeah well that is okay you know we are not using that much space if it is just for interim and they have to get out to us some way yep we had a brief discussion just before i left about this idea of exchanging data by fire wire drive and i do i do not know if that ever got resolved but you know that is not that is not fast enough for little things like this nothing further is so i think b s c w is the right way to exchange these no we just have to wipe this stuff off and keep separate copies after that and i have sent a thing off to marloes talk trying to encourage her again to register for the c s v and and what to the c v s and wha what to do and which bit of software i use that seems to be quite easy and simple the c v s 0 so you are managing that okay and you have not run into c v s before yep nope okay well yes and no as in yes it is new and no i have not got a problem well good yeah yeah yeah yep well that is that is reassuring 0 so far yeah yeah course he is sitting on the next desk huh y yes yeah and i am just using it through a windows bolt on sort of piece of software yeah but other than that that was easy enough to install though was not it it was yeah yeah no i have just yeah straight forward and then you just right right yeah r and right click things in in windows explorer copy and paste the stuff out the off off the wiki so that is it yeah well she will have to u use the c v s eventually cause we do not really have a good way of doing this otherwise but yeah yeah i mean also double checked in that we are not going to w could access the c v s from home when i was working from home last last week on thursday i managed to managed to get in and just just check the stuff and make sure it was all make sure th make sure ma make sure i could access it so they should not have any trouble accessing it once they have got the log ins well that is it we will never see him here again so not yet i am afraid watch i will find out he has got a better computer at home as well right on a day like this i know it is a yeah right and what about the project as a whole is there anything that ruud or anybody is after that we are not supplying no not at the moment right not at the moment the only thing that has been going around is the version of the flier i do not know what real purpose of these little folded up a 4 fliers there has been bit of are they just for distribution at conferences and things they are they are critical the to the success of a project so or do they y yeah and general places but yeah i would not worry too much about it unless they ask you for specific input right well i i am not really bothering yeah but it there is that is what is circulating around the the group as a whole at the moment that is what is circulating huh i have sorted out travel et cetera to munich for e for ellen john and myself 0 yeah and we are all off on the 14th of december coming back on the friday and john is going the 16th yes 0 that is good he will be useful for the w p 7 stuff so well while you do that i will be trained in how to hire people so that is a so that is how to hire or how to interview is that that book both so so is there anything else what have you got on for the rest of the week besides getting this stuff up and running again well on once once i have tried out the camtasia stuff i will see if the if there is any problems going to tr going to try and fix them if there is not any problems next time i am working on this g d f stuff so so i have i have i pu put on a d t d and a sample x m l file on the wiki for the g d f yeah so it is ba based on some stuff you put on there on the g d f specification right so are you concerned about it that i should be looking at it or you happy with it i mean i sort of wrote the initial draft of it i suppose the so yeah i mean with i cha i changed a couple of things from your original draft so there is not there is no longer a separate thing for creating new parts so just put a start and end time on each part so slower so the the you you you had a you had a thing call i think it is mold or so or something that you said which is sort of to create a new part there is an action to create a new part huh but i th i have i gave each part a start time and an end time so you can see when the parts were created so i am not su so i am not not sure if you want to keep the mold or not okay i will have to look i can not remember how this works now cause it was a while ago yeah but it is it is just the g d f specification page on the on the wiki so i have i mean i will try try to put in justification for for the change that i made on the page so but i have i have sent it out for review so that s anyone who is going to using the format can have a look at it yeah and you will get nothing back unless i look at it right huh so i best for for us for me to do that i i yeah i i mean it is really good that you are y putting things out for for review and saying like why for stuff but we do not we also do not want to burn too much of your time recording stuff that that nobody is ever going to look at necessarily so i mean this this might be a good case for or it might or it might be that you should just like you know talk to me about this stuff if i happen to be around at the time that you are doing it and not y so i if the writing stuff down on the wiki gets to be too high a proportion of things then then you do not necessarily want to do it you do you know what i mean right yeah yeah yeah the so i th i think it is great to have the records and that is really important mind when the spend especially in in big dispersed groups but this is kind of a smaller group so it you know we can do things more informally where f you feel the wikis are getting in the way of things yeah so well the ones that this stuff i mean is it is helpful it was helpful for me to putting it up on the wiki cause i could actually thin think about it as i put it up and say well this is this is why and th this is why i want to do things this way 0 yeah it well if it aids you in thinking to write it down then definitely write it down so yep yep cause yeah we want clear thinking i can not actually remember i how it worked with the the molds i mean i w i wanted to make sure that no i can not even remember so i will i will look at it well yep fair enough fair enough but i am sure it is fine cause it is just my memory of things what el well i will have to get to grips with cra camtasia properly to generate a little sort of introductory video i suppose for instructional purposes at the beginning of the experiment yeah yeah so people will be able to see and so that the p you know example movements and things like that will be 0 yeah huh yeah so is that going to have a voice over or is it we had discussions before you started about whether it should be completely silent so that they could use in case we ever wanted to do this in in dutch in dutch as well yeah well and and so you know you could just have sort of well the i think we discussed having it with an english voice over or having it with no voice over and then having it w just with cartoon noises or something like or you know when things break 0 right 0 huh right so to emphasize the i may be imagining it no that must have been before me so p it well well i kn i know on camtasia if you got a ca if you have got a camtasia project i you can have the video and audio stored separately separated in which case 0 so we could produce a dutch voice over for the same thing yes yeah yeah so yeah yep so so we just ended the just ended the the dutch stream yeah the video and our audio and then they can easy create their audio out of from that outp yeah exa yeah yeah so the i mean th i do not think i think it would be more sensible just to do the non the the video part of it 1st and then you add the voice over afterwards yeah rather than trying to do all at once you know okay the oth the other issue is i if we do a voice over does that affect the language that the people choose to use yeah yeah might use or are you going to prime them in any way s so that might be another reason for not doing that doing anything with the voice you know if you start talking about have to avoid or yeah talking about the parts or just naming them or anything like that alignment or you know yeah so i think maybe that was another reason for just having or or or ding for you know you got it or i do not know what bef yes okay yeah or did no n no noise in fact i think is probably yes pro probably actually not even the sound effects cause otherwise they will expect that in the real experiment and that does not happen yeah yeah yeah yeah so if they make move a piece and it breaks and they do not hear this crash and they go 0 what is you know what is happened well that y yeah yeah is that really all what happened yeah it is well you need some way to make sure that they actually notice the thing you are trying to explain to them if there is no voice yeah yeah well one thing 11 thing that camtasia can do you can have little videos when other have not gotten got any cameras for doing that but you could like have videos of people click on the mouses and sorta or whatever else or or you could just point to you know have b great big arrow that points at the 2 pieces that broke yes i think it can generate things you know and you can do yeah you can generate call outs and whatever so the might yeah i am sure there must be a way of putting big arrows ov or whatever huh yeah so you going to clear or r however you do this with ellen right cause she is the one that has thoughts about the language and stuff yes yeah yes but or in our discussion we have not mentioned it was assumed there would be a voice over but i will i will i better i will i will remind her yeah i will i will i will do that 0 well remin remind her that there was a question about whether there oughta be one yes cause we have got to think of the instructions and sort of basic introduction to it all as well so actually i i did email nijmegen to ask if they would had a set of instructions they would given their participants i bet marloes just talked to em but it probably i s i suspect so because i have not had a reply back ah i think it is really up to us to yeah too too it was just in case they had something that what is it hard you do not want to give em the specification you know cause that is in too high falutin a language but 0 i it can not be that hard to generate something that says no that should be a problem i will be straight forward enough i think 0 on my holidays we encountered a children is toyshop where there we there were tamgrams and my son reminded me that he ca has not been able to find his tamgram set in a while alright you want take it back well if not if you guys are using it 0 t no th it is not got it is yeah it is i well b actually i could probably just photo copy the manual or do y do you find it helpful to have it and there is only a 0 but it is so tactile to have the little metal bits yeah if you if you are using it keep it he has got plenty of toys if you are not if you are not using it then i will take it back right yeah right 0 i have hopefully well i will not hopefully need it for more than another week or 2 anyway so as long as you can hold off his no no yeah y it is not it is not a worry the the lad has plenty of toys right i i was looking at the the complexity sort of aspect of the tamgrams in that booklet it is not quite that they just get harder oops it is that they kind of have pages of similar types 0 similar types huh yeah so one page will have sort of parts that are kind of similar to each other and then you move over and there is a different almost type of design or style yeah so it is not quite as progressive in complexity as right so how you going to get your complexity ratings google no google is there a big tamgram community that ranks these things like you know that is just one booklet that came with one set of tamgrams i will try i will try or or is it obvious like when you look at these things you never know what is what is out there well i am hoping the dutch input will allow us to p sort of have a rough idea of what was the of a suitable complexity for the task yeah but that still will not tell you well how many tamgrams are there that they are using 15 or something no not even no not even that they have of this relevant type to what we are wanting to use probably 3 huh we have to generate 16 in total so that is not going to g so that is not going to tell you anything about relative complexity that is just going to tell you where in the span you want to be you still need some kinda scale for these things yeah ideally ca if you look at em do you just know no no i would either well i do not i am not what about him i if h mister geometry no i am an af afraid not i mean you know can you tell just by looking at these how hard people find them or right okay i would not know no no no well i will tr i will try the good old google and see if there is if there are some sort of ranking sites or whatever that is a s that is psychology thing how hard they who is psychology already uses tamgrams that is still around mean people have been using tamgrams for ages so there must be somebody with a folk wisdom you can contact i will try and find out i do not know off off hand certainly right i only know ancient papers so like late 80s i will i will do a search do people still use tamgrams b i have not encountered them 0 so we are very old fashioned well or maybe they just do not use anything like that i suppose for well there was stuff in the 70s and the 80s right so since then but i am not sure if anything is happened since then right well the old the old tasks are the best so i am not going to let that worry me so sorry that was k i think a big diversion and we were talking about what you were going to do next after all this stuff was up and the i was going to look at the g d f spec are the rest of the y are is the rest of what you are to do with that software fairly clear cause this is about the analysis yeah yeah so this yeah you really only need robin right to to specify the rest yes yes he will he will just be working with robin on what analysis we need to get out of the g d f format so i am going to c basically i have got a the gest analyser is the base the basis for ascii to g d f converter so what i am going to do is actually create an output a g d f output part to it huh cause at the moment only outputs the video but it does have internal structures will just make it easy to do the the x m l yep yeah so so that is that is what i am going to look at and then once i have done that i can look at the whatever analysis we need to get done out of the g d f yeah cause there were all these issues about how you calculate eye eye lag and you know w what other th analyzes we want 0 want out of this that are not settled but i think you know robin is the person who knows the most about what is required there and i can imagine it is going to take a wee while to i can imagine you know as little as it is but yeah yeah yes so that might be the focus of discussions next week or something right that what need out of this and have to yep to try and yes and home home in parameters and choose the right sort of settings so yep yeah so you might want to try and come yeah yeah if you get that far try and come equipped with a list of the kinds of things you want out of it and and so we can look through and see y ellen might have views on what kinds of things once we have a list right so so yeah yep i am sure she will have views on it so but it would be good to you know make sure once we have a list of the things that we think we are getting of it that it matches her intentions for what we were supposed to get out of it so you know if we do talk about that then it might be nice to have her along for it 0 i found have not fount it physically yet but a reference to a 92 paper it is in the royal proceedings of something or other somewhere based on a an experiment that had blocks a model blocks of parts and then an area where people had to build you know replicate the model out with the parts 0 yeah just one person at a time of course but it did involve eye movements and monitoring where they are looking compared to their hand movements and that subject 0 yeah who is that then ballard kay are they still in the business back in 92 yes i think so where are they the i will not sure okay well they might have the folk wisdom on the complexity right yep so 92 is not that long ago yeah so there should still be well not that on well it is really but is it y huh is it a paper you can get that is what i have m i will have to try and find out well they still do it for library loans and stuff so if not the national library is bound to have it huh yep so do we think next week that is what we are going to talk about cause we want want to ask ellen ahead of time if she wants to come along for a discussion about 0 well that is that is fine then she is not here next week anyway it is next wednesday or thursday before she is back okay 0 yeah c she cause she her stuff is getting blocked off the mailing list cause she is not mailing from her normal account 0 is that what yeah she has got a yahoo account or something that things are getting forwarded to and yeah and i can not figure out any way to just approve messages from her without her subscribing at that account ah so or or 0 well that is only if things have not been getting through ah there is only one message so far yeah it did not say much anything else yep anything else i think that is it and i will t yeah i will get get working on the camtasia stuff this week and then so once once once we have got some some idea about what analysis you want out of this i can think about whether g d f has got everything we need in it and f yeah what analysis we can pull out of it well certainly the the there is the provisional list of what we need on the wiki anyway that i put it up yeah yeah so i will i will double check the g d f specification against that just to make sure it has got everything you said that you would you say you need from that list so yeah bu i do not think that list is our final word on things and well i i added things to it 0 well maybe it is then well better well i do not know when he last looked at it but or when i added it i yeah it was sometime in the last 2 weeks anyway but yeah huh i do not think i was fully paying attention to that i mean i am not going to have views on this anyway what i am really worried about is making sure that there is not big surprises for ellen and and j p you know when they suddenly discover that they are they are assuming some analysis is in there and we did not did not put it in that is what they are getting yeah you know cause now is the time for us to be figuring out what we want out of that data and and getting you write the stuff or getting j p to write the one dimensional analyzes that he was talking about yeah yeah yeah so yeah cause they i mean we w we got all this in the ascii format at the moment and it is just a matter of what data do we need to pull out of that into the g d f so i can actually do the proper analysis cause i think all the answers are going to be run off the g d f format cause cause we have decided that if we went and looked well if we are looking at dynamic reasons and whatever else yeah it it is the it is the dynamic regions that i think might cause a bit of trouble it has to be g d f but yeah which is yeah which is why we have to do it off the g d f as as opposed to the e d f format so 0 right okay so y actually you are breaking this down into 2 steps now one is just a straight extraction from the ascii and the other one is any post analysis that that adds information by analyzing it is that th yeah yeah so so the g d f it has got yeah so it is it has got the all th the stuff on the e d f so it is just the the ascii file the things like the mouse movements and things like that yeah it is just anything that has got shoved through the eye tracker and then yeah yeah and then on top of that g d f can also it will also have information such as right yeah at this point in time they were looking at the new parts area or they were looking at the target yeah yeah okay that is post analysis yeah yeah so right yeah so yeah so the the g d f is going to have that sort of information in it and then also cause it is x m l file we can then do x s l t or whatever on to it to get extract whatever bits of data you need for yeah for for whichever bits of analysis you are trying to do from it that filter yeah filter out so yeah 0 well that all sounds good so i have got 01 thing to check and one person to ask if she will volunteer to be a head unless y and as far as i know that is it for me see i have to explain yep i think so i am for for one of my other things i there is now a specific wiki page that says stuff jean has to do to do and i am beginning to think that this is quite a good idea cause i worry about not doing the stuff people expect of me much more than the other way around right watch out well i think according to the latest documentation you are down for 5% of your 15 months on this project or something what documentation some b jast report 0 okay officially well it does not actually make its way into its my salary i am afraid into reality huh so right but yeah i mean i do spend time talking to 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[ "yeah so we moved it over onto the other i link i mean she is running at the moment my view on this was that the need for people to back up their data personally was made sufficiently clear to lab users i mean i guess she did admit it right okay as long as she admits it then that is fine i am just thinking you know sometimes when there is a process error like that you think then there is something you should change like make the sign in bigger red letters but in our case i do not think there is anything more we can do really no well i doubt anybody will do that again because that will get around yeah it is a shocking worry yeah we have got the mailing list set up now is not it yeah there is a mailing list should know about it no yeah there was a mailing list before they have just revived that right frank went through it deleted the people that were have gone or whatever and replaced them so the list is now updated yeah so everyone on that list has now been reminded yeah do not store anything sensitive on yeah do not store anything you know yeah there is there anything you care about on the page right and we do not know so there is every chance of this falling over again if it is a hardware thing right there is not much we can do about that apart from yeah i did do hard drive check and a memory check and it says there is no problems but something caused it to go wrong in the 1st place yeah yeah we do not know we do not know just fingers crossed and hope and yeah i hope that is just a software thing that we can just fix like that and that will be it yeah so how long does this put you back for is it you know how much disruption does this cause is this a day 2 days yeah we have been doing a bit since last week yeah and then it will be hopefully no more than i do not know what 20 minutes today to be yeah i mean so 11 we will try and get done today yeah get windows back on there try and get kampasur on there and get that tested out and then that will be i think that is everything we need before you can start running the experiments is not it yep and i saw a bunch of stuff about software updates that is unrelated to this problem right you mean from was that joe the i did not read of myself like 5 messages go back and forth maybe they were under the wrong subject header so anyway we have well there is nothing over the last week joe has produced another version of the model builder 0 no i mean the i link software 0 that was a few weeks ago so it is unrelated it is not that yeah it is unrelated okay good and was running because frank did all that because he then had an experiment so he is run an experiment so did he get his data in or has this put his schedule back he is done his he is done it okay and he backs up right well unfortunate but it sounds like you guys are well placed for dealing with it so better you than me yeah yeah too well pleased yeah i would manage to get things working on monday so everything went down on tuesday morning so i managed to get everything working on the yeah on monday to show that the jct is actually working collaborating between the 2 machines i did not have the eye tracker stuff working because it was just me running around and running around the lab so once it is reinstalled have to actually do a proper pilot so you need to borrow somebody is head and nalph and stuff too alpha and stuff to run it right yeah but it looks like it was doing all the calibration and drift correction things that ellen was wanting on it so that does not think it had for the software for that part so i have got a new trainee who might need amusement at some point so if you need to borrow a head that talks that does not necessarily need to do much else i will ask her if she would mind coming down and helping you up for a while but i guess ellen was going to be your spearhead yeah your spirate yes but she is not around yeah so mine is well she is actually climbing ben nevis today i think but she will be back tomorrow her name is ninka did you guys meet her i do not think so this seems a certain thing that people might find amusing to look at so i will see if she would be willing to i did meet someone from another project of yours on wednesday evening 0 who was that heidi 0 yeah heidi gesture 0 yeah she is good you guys might actually have something in common because she just well you know stuff in video coding and gesture yeah and autism and autism yeah so okay right what am i writing okay i am thinking to volunteer it has been volunteered well no i will actually give her the option but it sounds like the kind of thing where you know it is quite useful when you are at that stage to see the different kinds of technologies people use yeah so i try and get camtasia up and running so i can try it out when we have got her coming in we will just sort of do a proper pilot just to just do it it starts and finishes when it is meant to and that sort of thing as well yep yep yeah i will make sure they can actually pick up the audio signal as well but the audio signal should be coming out to speakers once it is set up properly so i should make that slightly easier yes the bleep was a hardware bleep originally and so it comes from the pc which is outside the soundproof box oops well you found that then yeah but yeah so fortunately the speakers on the monitors inside the room so what i have done i am just going to set up so whatever the asterisk sound is in windows is what gets played so you can just change the sound to whatever you like just through the windows control panel ok so we want one you can pick up using matlab or something right yeah so i had that running over the weekend so last week i tried it with a one khz sound and it was it could detect it but it was not very clear did it with 10 khz and it is just really clear you can tell exactly where the vp is now perfect so yeah so it is just a matter of yeah you are basically just play a 10 khz sound over the speech and then just compare the 2 signals basically so i have got a little script for doing it perfect so you are going to bank the script someplace yeah tell us how to run it yep no problem because we will not know right well that all sounds good what else but you have altered the task program it is to put the little eye icon and the mouse yeah the one in justin is still should have that now we will double check my install on the eye tracking machines but yeah it should be updated without now rather than just a blob and one wanted something more like an eye so that that was the eye 0 really yeah yeah so we have got like a big circle with a white circle in the middle of a for a eye and they have got like a rectangle with 2 like rectangle buttons on it for a mouse huh okay very nice very pretty it does not get in the way of seeing what is underneath no they are the same size as the original blobs basically so yeah i think the mouse is slightly bigger but it is not you know it is not too big i can see where that is useful yeah and if it ever gets a very problem in the pilot i can easily reduce the size of whatever it is not too hard would not it a reasonable size so that if they are looking at it we know they are looking at it so it has to be a reasonable target for the tracking purposes yeah although if you had a big thing and it was jiggling around like anybody is business like real life track cases then you might find that a little bit disconcerting i mean small things you kind of expect to jiggle around it yeah i suppose a larger more oscillation appears it is not i mean it is not that big it looks like it is quivering yeah well that is all fine what else you were saying joe with the model builder yes he is produced another version that does not have the overlap problem 0 remind me 0 yes yeah the collision so polygons now do not overlap 0 that is good marlowe has discovered something strange about the orientation of parallelograms from when it was constructed to when it appears in the actual task but i think that might be something to do with the original configuration and the parts that were not the same across the 2 so i will check that out to see if it really is a problem or not basically the parallelogram was appearing in a sort of as a mirror image of what it was like in the model builder really yeah just totally flipped in a mirror image not rotated so it was not anything to do with rotation just the parallelogram yeah just the parallelogram so not entirely sure it must be some way of how the vertices were described or defined in one way compared to something else right okay so your job in this is to ensure that it actually is a bug and then pass it to jow do it yeah that makes sense i mean this geometry stuff is really tricky if you do not do the fold the boxes stuff in your head well so i can imagine because i could get it backwards easily you know so it is just as helpful for you to check this the other thing we have done is looked at not for this current experiment but for future when we have got to build bizarre parts like aircraft wings and things something like x fig can output the vertex points for creating the actual polygons in the 1st place because the model builder assumes that there is an existing set of original parts so you need to draw them in something so yeah i suggested you do that in x fig is that a reasonable thing to do yeah yeah so you can do it in an x fig export them as svg you just get a camera you just get a list of x y coordinates and then i will just write a little script that turns out of x y c cordance that turns those x y 4 ness into a part yeah so this falls down completely if 9 meg and can not run x fig so you better check that with them right well the thing is it is svg so long as i have got something that will output svg okay but they may need help finding the something if they can not do x fig i suppose yeah yeah so i will have a look at that but there is there must be plenty of windows things but they will output svg some so but i know i know microsoft though i mean well i know adobe and things have packages that do it but obviously they are like a few 100 page yeah and so but i will be very surprised i was not a free package for doing it i have a feeling that the the maya the w 3 c rosa does it have a feeling that can actually edit svg files so i would not do any work to try and find out what will output svg just ask them look you know say you need something that does svg and then if they come back and say huh then you may need to poodle around a bit looking for something or something but you know let them say they have got a problem before you spend time trying to figure out what will do it it is not an immediate problem anyway but i thought it was worth before joe disappears just checking that the model builder is not restricted to just doing the tangrams or something so no it does look like it is 0 so well i can imagine there being shapes that you could construct in svg format that would fox the model building in some way i do not know i mean because you do not have specs about what sorts of shapes are allowed right no but as long as they are solid polygons it should be right right it does not matter whether they are convex or concave in plenty ways well hopefully that is not what the parallelogram problem is it does have some of the bangles and things no i suppose it yeah well i will create a convex part just the next big yeah and you tried it it just happened to be a convex part that was playing with so it had not laughed fine it did not have any self intersections so that might be a problem so i will have to check that would we want by self intersection you mean yeah by part that crosses over itself you mean like no we will only be working to see with sort of solid obvious polygons and those points they will have to have a central point anyway for rotation and grabbing by self insection here i will draw here i can find the right at any pen do you mean something like that yeah that sort of thing yeah and you can rule out something like that right because that is 2 parts for you i would consider that 2 parts yeah yeah i mean you know some rainy day you might want to think about well i do not know later on we can fix it if it turns out those parts it is not urgent now i think this is not important enough yeah yeah so if i know we will just assume that none non intersecting and yeah at the moment the svg stuff can out but ones which are not closed polygons but once you want to actually turn up in the parts list it creates a closed polygon by link and end point at the start point yep yeah so as long as they yeah so as long as they are drawn well enough it should be all right yeah well we will suppose let nightmegan find a find them an svg yeah so find something that does svg and then we will see if there is any problems but if they have trouble you know half an hour googling and helping them is probably worthwhile because sometimes people i mean actually i would not expect them to have any trouble finding something because jp is quite up without all these things yeah so it might be worth just checking what software they are using because it might create output slightly different from x fig well let us encourage them not to use any sort of software that might have idiosyncratic ideas about what svg is she says delicately it is the microsoft version of a spg or something that i was not going to say i have no idea whether they have videocentric svg output or whether but the track record on some of the other standards has not very have been slightly strange things about it so yeah but amaya you know i mean that should be that should be that is a should be fun yeah i think it does svg output and so i can easily double check if my megan can not find anything yeah i have not looked through other mail i did see something from my loose is there anything they are waiting on from us that is a problem or if they are reasonably happy at the moment i think they are not working anything from us they have dumped the pilot the pilot studies that that they generated based on the task with their english participants 0 they have done the pilots 0 good but they have not done anything with it other than dump the data dump the data where is it dumped well they dumped it on the bsw server but i have moved it well i have not moved it i have copied it onto the well that is okay you know we are not using that much space if it is just very interim and they have to get out to us somewhere yeah brief discussion just before i left about this idea of exchanging data by firewire drive and i do not know if that ever got resolved but nothing further is you know that is not fast enough for little things like this so i think vscw is the right way to exchange these we just have to wipe this stuff off and keep separate copies after that and i have sent the thing off to marlow is talking trying to encourage her again to register for the csv and what the cvs cvs and what to do and which bit of software i use it seems to be quite easy 0 so you are managing that okay and you have not run into cvs before no okay well good yes no as in yes it is new and no yeah yeah yeah yeah well that is reassuring so far yeah of course he is sitting on the next desk yes and i am just using it through a windows bolt on piece of software yeah that was easy enough to install though was not it yeah yeah straight forward and then copy and paste stuff at the wiki right click things and windows explorer that is it yeah well she will have to use the cbs eventually because we do not really have a good way doing this otherwise i am saying i have double checked and i can access to cvs from home when i have worked from home last week on thursday on thursday i actually can manage to get in and just check the stuff and make sure it was all make sure i could access it so they should not have any trouble accessing it once they have got to log ins well that is it we will never see him here again wow i am not like that he has got a better computer at home as well right not yet i am afraid right and what about the project as a whole is there anything that we do anybody is after that we are not supplying not at the moment the only thing that has been going around is the version of the flyer i do not know what real purpose of these little folded up the poor flyers they are critical to the successful project are they just for distribution at conferences yeah in general places but yeah i would not worry too much about it unless they well i am not really bothering but that is what is circulating around the group as a whole at the moment i have sorted out travel etc to munich 0 yeah for ellen john and myself we are all off on the 14th of december coming back on the private and john is going yes 0 that is good it will be useful for the wp 7 well while you do that i will be trained in how to hire people that is sweet how to hire or how to interview both right so is there anything else what have you got on for the rest of the week besides getting this stuff up and running again well once i have tried out the camp dager stuff if there is any problems if there is any problems the next time i am working on is the gdf stuff yeah so i have put on a dtd and sample xml file on the wiki for the gdf but based on some stuff you put on the gdrf specification so are you concerned about it that i should be looking at it or you are happy with it i mean i sort of wrote the initial draft of it i suppose yeah i changed a couple of things from your initial draft so there is no longer a separate thing for creating new parts so we just put a start and end time on each part so you had a thing called i think it was mold or something you said which was sort of to create a new part there is an action to create a new part but i gave each part a start time and an end time so you can see when the parts were created so i am not sure if you want to keep the mold or not i will have to look i can not remember how this works now because that was a while ago yeah it is just the gdf specification page on the wiki so i am trying to put in justification for the change that i made on the page so i have sent it out for review so that is anyone who is going to be using the format and have a look at it yeah and you will get nothing back unless i look at it right so best for me to do that yeah i mean it is really good that you are putting things out for review and saying like why for stuff but we do not we also do not want i also do not want to burn too much of your time recording stuff that nobody is ever going to look at necessarily so i mean this might be a good case for it or it might be that you should just like you know talk to me about the stuff if i happen to be around at the time that you are doing it and not so if the writing stuff down on the wiki gets to be too high a proportion of the things then you do not necessarily want to do it do you know what i mean yeah yeah so i think it is great to have the records and that is really important especially in big dispersed groups but this is kind of a smaller group so you know we can do things more informally where you feel the wikis are getting in the way of things yeah well the ones i have said it with this i mean it is helpful it was helpful for me to put it up on the wiki because i could actually think about it as i put it up and say well this is why i want to do things this way 0 yeah well if it aids you in thinking to write it down then definitely write it down yeah because yeah we want clear thinking i can not actually remember how it worked with the molds i wanted to make sure that no i can not even remember so i will look at him fair enough fair enough but i am sure it is fine because it is just my memory of things i will have to get to grips with camtasia properly to generate a little sort of introductory video for instructional purposes at the beginning of the experiment so people will be able to see 0 yeah and so the example movements and things like that would be yeah so is that going to have a voiceover or is it we had discussions before you started about whether it should be completely silent so that they could use in case we ever wanted to do this in in dutch as well in dutch yeah and so you know you could just have sort of well i think we are we discussed having it with an english voiceover having it with no voiceover and then having it just with cartoon noises or something like boof you know when it makes a break right that was to be before me so i may be imagined well i know camtasia if you have got a canteja project you can have the video and audio separately so we could produce a dutch voiceover for the same thing yeah so yeah so we just send the just in the dutch team yeah the video and our audio and then they can easily create their audio out of yeah so i mean i do not think i think it would be more sensible just to do the non the video part of it 1st and then you add the voiceover afterwards yeah rather than trying to do it all at once okay the other issue is if we do a voiceover does that affect the language that the people might use so that might be another reason for not doing that you know you start talking about you know you start talking about yeah talking about the parts is just naming them or anything like that yeah so i think maybe that was another reason for just having boof okay or no noise in fact i think it is probably yeah or ding for you know you got it or i do not know what probably actually not even the sound effects because otherwise they will expect that in the real experiment and that does not happen yeah yeah yeah so if they make move a piece and it breaks and they do not hear this crash and they go what is you know what is happened is that really what happened yeah well you need some way to make sure that they actually notice the thing you are trying to explain to them if there is no voice yeah well one thing one thing that can do you can have little videos than the matter than if you have got any cameras for doing that we could like have videos with people click on the maces or whatever else or or you could just point to you know have a great big arrow that points at the 2 pieces that bloke yes i think you can generate yeah you can generate callouts and whatever yeah i am sure there must be way of putting big arrows or whatever so you are going to clear her however you do this with ellen right because she is the one that has thoughts about the linework stuff yes but in our discussion we have not mentioned it was assumed there would be a voice of her but well remind her that there was a question about what in the iraqi one i will do that yes because i have got to think of the instructions and basic introduction to it all as well actually i did email my megan to ask if they had a set of instructions they would give them their participants i thought to them probably i suspect so because i have not had to reply back i think it is really up to us too yeah to invent it it was just in case they had something that is is it hard you do not want to give them the specification know because that is in too highfalutin the language but it can not be that hard to generate something that says no i should be forward enough i think 0 on my holidays we encountered a children is toy shop where there were tan grams and my son reminded me that he has not been able to find his tangram set in a whole right you want to get back well not if you guys are using it do you find it helpful to have it yeah it is well actually i could probably just put it copy the manual 0 but it is so tactile to have little metal bits if you are using it keep it he has got plenty of toys if you are not if you are not using it then i will take it back right hopefully well i will not hopefully need it for more than another week or 2 anyway yeah as long as you can hold off it is not a worry ladd has plenty of toys i am looking at the complexity sort of aspect of the tangrams in that booklet it is not quite that they just get harder it kind of have pages of similar types 0 similar types huh yeah so at one page you will have parts that are kind of similar to each other and then move over a different type of design style yeah so it is not quite as progressive progressive in complexity right so how are you going to get your complexity ratings google is there a big tangram community that ranks these things like you know that is just one booklet that came with one set of tangrams i will try i will never know what is out there or is it obvious like when you look at these things well i am hoping the dutch input will allow us to sort of have a rough idea of what is suitable complexity yeah but that still will not tell you well how many 10 grams are there that they are using 15 or something no not even that of this relevant type to what we are wanting to use probably 3 huh to generate 16 in total so that is not going to tell you anything about relative complexity that is just going to tell you where in the span you want to be you still need some kind of scale for the need some kind of scale for these things if you look at them do you just know no well i do not i am not i do not what about him no mister geometry can you tell us by looking at these how hard do people find them i would not know right okay i will try the good old google and see if there is a if there are some sort of ranking sites who in psychology already uses 10 grams that is still around people have been using 10 grams for ages so there must be somebody with a folk wisdom you can contact i will try and find out i do not know offhand i only know ancient papers so like late 80s do people still use 10 grams i have not encountered them 0 so we are very old fashioned maybe they just do not use anything like that well there was stuff in the 70s and the 80s right but i am not sure if anything is happened since then right wow the old past is the best so i am not going to let that worry me so sorry that was i think a big diversion and we were talking about what you were going to do next after all this stuff was up and i was going to look at the gdf spec are the rest of the is the rest of what you to do with that software fairly clear because this is about the analysis yeah yeah you really only need robin right yeah yeah just be working with robin what analysis we need to get out of the gdf format so i am going to basically i have got the just analyzer has got the base the basis for ascii to gdf converter so what i am going to do is actually create an output a gdf output part to it because the moment it only outputs the video but it does have internal structures that will make it easy to do the xml so that is what i have got to look at and then once i have done that i can look at the whatever analysis we need to get done out of the gdf yeah because there were these issues about how you calculate i i lag and you know what are the analyzes we want out of us that are not settled but i think you know robin is the person who knows the most about what is required there and i can imagine it is going to take a little while i can imagine you know so that might be the focus of discussions next week or something right to try and yes human parameters and choose the right 2nd yeah so you might want to try and come if you get that far try and come and put a list of the kind of things you want out of it and so we can look through and see alan might get views on what kinds of things once we have a list right i am sure to sort of views on it yeah so but it would be good to you know make sure once we have a list of the things that we think we are getting out of it that it matches her intentions for what we were supposed to get out of it so you know if we do talk about that then it might be nice to have her along for it 0 i have found i have not found it physically yet but a reference to a 92 paper it is in the royal proceedings of something or other somewhere based on a an experiment that had blocks a model blocks of parts and then an area where people had to build you know replicate the model out of the parts just one person at a time of course but it did involve eye movements and monitoring where they are looking compared to the hand movements 0 yeah who was that then ballard okay back in 92 are they still in the business yes i think so i am not sure okay well they might have the focus on the complexity right yep so maybe it is not that long so they should still be able is it a paper you can get that is what i will have to try and find out well they still do interlibrary loans and stuff if not the national library is going to have it huh yep so did we think next week that is what we want to talk about because we do not want to ask ellen ahead of time if she wants to come along for a discussion about she is not here next week anyway 0 well that is fine it is next wednesday or thursday before she is back okay 0 yeah because she her stuff is getting blocked off the mailing list because she is not mailing from her normal account 0 is that what yeah she has got a yahoo account account or something yeah and i can not figure out any way to just approve messages from her without you subscribing at that account well well if things have not been getting through well there is only one message so far it did not say much anything else anything else yeah i will get working on the kempagetor stuff this week and then so once we have got some idea about what analysis you want out of this i can think about whether the gdf has got everything we need in it and yeah what analysis is going to be right of it certainly there is the provisional list of what we need on the wiki anyway yeah yeah so i will double check the gdf specification against that just to make sure it has got everything you say you need from that well i do not think that list is our final word on things well i added things to it 0 well maybe it is that but i do not know when your last lip test it but when i added it was something in the last 2 weeks anyway but yeah i do not think i was fully paying attention to that i mean i am not going to have news on this anyway what i am really worried about is making sure that there is no big surprises for ellen and and jp you know when they suddenly discover that they are they are assuming some analysis is in there and we did not did not put it in you know because now is the time for us to be figuring out what we want out of that data and getting you write the stuff or getting jp to write the one dimensional analysis that used to happen yeah the thing i mean we have got all data in the ascu format at the moment and it is just as a matter what data we need to pull out of that into the gdf so i can actually do the prop analysis i think all the analysis is going to be run off the gdf format because we have decided that if we look at the dynamic regions and whatever else it has to be in the dynamic regions that i think might cause a bit of trouble yeah which is why we have to do it off the gdf as opposed to the edf format edf format 0 right okay so actually you are breaking this down into 2 steps now one is straight extraction from the ascii and the other one is any post analysis that adds information by analyzing it is that yeah so the gdf it has got the stuff from the edf such as the asc file things like the mouse movements and things like that yeah it is just anything that has got shoved through the eye tracker yeah yeah and then on top of that gdf can also it will also have information such as the ascii file which has right at this point in time they were looking at the new parts area or they were looking at the target okay that is post analysis yeah yeah so yeah so the idea is the geoc is going to have that sort of information in it and then also because it is an xml file we can then do xslt or whatever onto it to extract whatever bits of date you need for yeah for whichever bits of analysis you are trying to do for it yeah 0 well that all sounds good so i have got one thing to check and one person to ask if she will volunteer to be ahead and as far as i know that is it for me see i have to explain yeah i think so for one of my other things there is now a specific wiki page that says stuff gene has to do and i am beginning to think this is quite a good idea because i worry about that doing the stuff people expected me much more than the other way around right i think according to the latest documentation you are down for 5% of your 15 months on this project or something what documentation some jazz report 0 okay officially well it does not actually make its way into my salary into reality but yeah i mean i do spend time talking to you this you are getting something out of me yeah thank you it is well i do not know it is so the top of it thank you 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but then it also should work user friendly and otherwise people well it will not be be rated very well in consumer articles and like that so the general outline of new project will be we 1st go through a functional design phase you all get certain task in this in this phase and then we will meet again and discuss this functional design and the same holds for the ph 2 phases after this the conceptual design and after that a a more detailed design in which the the final project should get its definite shape alright but 1st we will do some tool training in all in front of you you see the notebooks and w n note blocks and we have here a a a a white board whitebo and well it should work i have read it from my from some colleague that it should work with some kind of toolbar i did not find out yet how it work but maybe one of you did so under documents in the shared folder okay yes do do we have to say something about that i i i am not fully updated about this shared folder yeah i guess we will have a shared folder with documents that we can share and yeah yes well we will then find out ho how it works yes well this seems to me yes some computer program but i did not find it yet so we will come to that later so now we will try out the white board we have here so i would suggest each of us is going well yes we we should try to t to draw on it and then well it should be smart some way i i am not really sure how this works but okay shall i start yeah you can start it you know yeah yes a good idea mael i think for us it is just like a normal whiteboard but they will be recording what we write down so i no they will record through that there is a sensor over there which is going to record the strokes that you make but for us it is just like a normal whiteboard okay yeah kay but it is actually i think i cannot go with you you d does not it work maybe someo maybe maybe anna maybe you can start yeah then he can maybe find out to get his cord right i have to draw so l why do not you draw your favorite animal on on th on the white board m my my favorite animal sorry this is all tangled up here 0 i see that is better yeah yeah yes so draw it we will try to guess what it is i am a very bad drawer weird you are not going to be able to guess from my drawing i am a bad drawer okay they are ears by the way is a cat no close though okay so like a pet animal okay like a cat yeah it is like a cat so i guess it is a cat no not a cat though what is this now ah you forget about it you are on the knife yeah i think it is fine i just do not want to carry it off man this wires eh we need a wireless microphone you know pro specially we should next project we should take l like that so that is the cat okay so it is not a cat it is a dog 0 so mael it is a dog yes so but that is also kind of cat is not it 0 the dog does not have a tail it has got a tail then b bo both predators yeah sure yeah yeah yeah i thought so the dogs have a tail so thank you so do cats d did you work out cord and you guessed cats without a tail yeah yeah i think i will go without without it right okay okay it will still not extend right it is not up to that okay there you go so what favorite characteristics dogs are always friendly and loyal and fun a horse it is a horse this is why you are the designer and i am marketing yes yes yes this is yes definitely a horse yes 0 very good so ah i suppose it ah i think you can put that that is it a blue and black zebra yes can you can meet them in africa i think yes very good so the very rare blue zebras yes i will tell to get it off my ma matthew so you got a lot of room here maybe you can probably reach 0 y it is not for that no no i hope you have some space in your the horse of mael okay yeah so what should i draw he has already to do cat i took a dog a mouse this looks likes a cat who has been driven over okay yeah and we should sum up its favorite charas characteristics right yes the mustache so that is that is definitely a cat yeah and i th they like to sleep that is why you said you they are like this it is quite you know relaxed situation yeah yes yes okay she has the small legs th thank you matthew yeah thank you matthew it is a very big rat perfect or a very small cat 0 a rat okay yes this is certain some contribution to our project and you kay your turn so let us see which animal has not been drawn yet so you have all drawn land animals so why not draw an animal from the water a bird okay in the water ah i do not know what that is it is a bit it is a bit hard to guess yeah so put it colors maybe it would help us yeah yes the cat is going to eat the fish or the rat with different pen widths so 0 it is a shark now ah it is a shark yeah 0 yes why not good idea ah it is a baby shark it looks to me you know it is going to eat the cat rather than the cat eating the fish no 0 now it is a swordfish why not you have some in in australia right a swordfish swordfish yeah maybe i dunno i have never seen one no 0 well yeah i hope it still works perfect so so i dunno if we need to spend time on that actually but you should go for the next one it seems to me w well this this tool seemed to work yeah exactly yeah let us continue to to the real stuff wow our project finance thing when we are and when w you are going to design w we must keep in mind that the selling price of the product will be about €25 so when designing a project i also look at you mael keep in mind people 24 yeah want to get the feeling this is a €25 project pr per remote control yeah product per project yes okay more interesting for our company of course p profit aim about €50000000 so we have to sell quite a lot of this things we will try to to get at a international market so it will be i think mainly europe and northern america ah yeah the sale man 4000000 maybe some asian countries also important for you all is the the product production cost must be maximal €121250 so it is half of the selling price if i am good in mathematics yes of course i mean we still have to to make a profit huh of course they have to sell at least 4000000 to make a profit you all have to be paid ah we have to make we have to sell at least 4000000 to make our own profit excuse me 0 you are g very good in mathematics 50 mill yes yes indeed 4000000 so well i think w when we are working on the international market yeah in principle it has enough customers so when we have a good product we we could meet this this aim i think so that about finance and now just let have some discussion about what is a good remote control and well keep in mind this this 1st point it has to be original it has to be trendy it has to be user friendly maybe someone can mention some additional prerequisites for a good remote control of course it should have a on off button yes well i it should have the the the the expected functionality of a remote control yeah yeah s and it depends what application you are using it for you might need we wer we were thinking television we are targ targeting the television set so you need to record the channels yeah you need to browse the browse the channels in upward downward way yes yes th th that is very handy i i always miss it and on some remote controls that you can go channel up or down ins instead of retyping the number and especially when you have a lot of channels and and just before starting the detailed discussion maybe we you are the marketing guy or th so you are the marketing i am marketing marketing yep and you are in the u use user interface design yeah yes so just yeah i wanted to to be sure yeah sure and i i am the the industrial designer okay yes because i i do not know you very well actually but yeah 0 i am matthew okay you know mael matth s anna happy to meet you anna okay it is very and matthew yeah a and i am nanne i thi think you know me yeah so so yeah just on your web page but yeah not not face to face right yeah yes so s so so s s so i are there some other very important things to to do well so to specify in this 1st phase of of the project so the browse function as you m mentioned yeah and oth yeah you would need the usual ones like the changing the volume changing the the channel and then you today we have teletext and all those things yes yeah tomorrow you might have a some more functions which might come through that so yes like what like internet on the on t v yeah i p 0 or now we are looking for television things or i p for example personal video recorder and all those stuffs are coming up yeah but we can not really design for something that has not been invented yet yeah ah it is it is it is it is coming up actually the personal video recorder and all those things it is coming up well i i think actually yeah w w y you 2 should should i think think this over w espec what what functionality let us let us take of course and 1st before designing the func well thinking about the functionalities we need to know what are the user requirements yeah then if they need internet then we would be able to to p to propose something with t v over i p yeah yeah but before but 90% of the time 99% of the time people will be using the main functions the volume the different channels so we can have all the fancy things as well but the main controls need to be very obvious and very easy to use keep k keep in mind i it is a it is a €25 unit so the the very fancy stuff w we can leave that out i think so €25 you expect a quite well normal but good functioning user friendly remote control 0 in that case you can you always hook up with someone who is providing that and you know you you sell their product as well as your product with them you know yeah but w w we want to design a new one so try and get t v manufacturers to yeah no it is okay yeah i understand so we need some numbering buttons some teletext things and then yeah the yeah the main is browsing yes but but but ab about the spec the buttons the buttons that will be on it yeah yeah i i think we can discuss that in the in the next meeting yeah i would like to get this wrapped up and go to an end of this meeting okay so okay we are alread okay so you know now the basic the basic things yeah and well just just for the next meeting l well you wor yes work on a design keep it general i mean so w we will be still fle flexible with maybe adding some functions so you will be working on on technical function design so yeah sure and you and you and well think about requirements eh does it need internet or or do do we stay at stam basic basic television interface yeah so i think we should now all go work at this and you will be informed via email and other kind of communication yeah okay so next meeting will be in in 30 minutes perfect k keep it in mind" ]

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[ "good morning good morning good morning okay i do not know i do not think it is supposed to be like this okay i will get it no i do not think that is actually nang be and you have to adjust a length you have to adjust the length okay and i am done so we will wait for a few minutes yeah yeah use is well but you can put it any way you want actually yeah but the mic should not it is not a directional mic anyway it should work like this i will try to get my presentation already yeah yeah can i hear that nice okay it is yeah okay then press i will you know you know just try okay this is normal all the fay but it does not appear on the screen here right wow amazing it is working okay thank you okay okay okay okay so good morning everyone okay so good morning everyone welcome at the kickoff meeting of our latest project i hope you all have been updated about it yeah good so we will try to structure this meeting with an agenda as presented here after the opening we will be acquainted to each other see what our roles are in this project project so we have been provided with some technical tools to communicate and to well learn from each other is plans i can say so we will also try to to get acquainted to this tool so they are also new to me i do not know whether you work with them before then we will come to the actual project plan you all know i hope so it is about the new remote control we are going to design then we will discuss well how it should be and what our new products should look like like and well then well then after some 25 minutes i hope we can end this meeting so basically this is about a new remote control we when you design a new product you of course want it to be original we want to be distinguished people people want to when they look at the shelf want to think well that is the product i need so it needs to be trendy i mean trendy is what people want so then they will buy our product but then it also should work user friendly and otherwise people well it will not be rated very well in consumer articles some more articles like that so the general outline of new project will be we 1st go through a functional design phase you all get certain task in this phase and then we will then we will meet again and discuss this functional design and the same holds for the 2 phases after this the conceptual design and after that a more detailed design in which the final project should get its definite shape all right but 1st we will do some tool training in all in front of you you see the notebooks and not blocks and we have here a whiteboard and well it should work i have read it from my colleague that i should work with some kind of toolbar i did not find out yet how it worked but maybe one of you did so and the documents in the shared folder yes do you have to say something about that i am not fully updated about this shared folder yeah i guess we will have a shared folder with documents that can share yes well we will then find out how it works yes well this seems to me as some computer program but i did not find it yet so we will come to that later so now we will try out the whiteboard we have here so i would suggest each of us is going to well yes we try to draw on it and then well it should be smart some way i am not really sure how this works but okay shall i start yeah yes i think for us it is just like a normal whiteboard but they will be recording so right down now they will record through that there is a sensor which is going to record the strokes but for us it is just like a normal whiteboard okay actually i think i cannot grow with does not it work maybe some maybe anna maybe you can start then he can maybe find out to get a score right so why do not you draw your favorite animal on the ball on the whiteboard my favorite animal sorry it is all tangled up here 0 i see it is out of there we go so draw it we will try to guess what it is i am a very bad drawer drawer weird you are not going to be able to guess from my drawing not a bad drawer okay their ears by the way no close though okay so like a pet animal pet animal like a cat it is like a cat so i guess it is a cat no not a cat though what is this now ah you forget about him you on the knife yeah i think it is fine i do not want to cut it off man these wires you know we need a wireless microphone you know especially we should next project we should take like that so that is the cat it is not a cat the dog it is a dog yes so good that is also a kind of cat 0 the dog does not have a tail it has got a tail then both predators sure yeah yeah i thought so the dogs have a tail so the cats and you are and you guess cats are a tail yeah i think i will go without it right okay okay it will still not extend right it is not up to that okay there you go so what favorite characteristics dog is always friendly and loyal and fun 0 to another skate another scale horse it is your house yes it is why you are the designer and i am marketing yes definitely horse yes well very good so yes with different colors so i suppose i think you can put that with a 20 point broad is it there a 20% that is it so now it is a zebra a blue and black zebra yes you can meet them in africa i think very rare blue zebras yes 0 la met you i have to get rid of my you need to cut a lot what do not need to talk about that so you got a lot of room here you can probably reach i hope you have some space near the horse or meal i look to that i bought you have a dog i took a dog a mess this looks like a cat who has been driven over a cat you know it is like a cat you know it is like a name of it okay and we should sum up it is favorite characteristics right yeah some characteristics yes they move there so that is definitely a cat i mean they like to sleep that is why you said you they are like this 0 well they are taking a ass you know it is quite you know relaxed situation relax situation yeah it is quite a relax way yes you know it puts your leg up and you know there is maybe a good exercise for it you know that is okay maybe i have to go away that you do not think they are putting like that so you have small legs thank you matthew okay so let us have a lot here thank you matthew it is a very big rat or very small cats so i hope it gets up huh yes this is a certain some contribution to our project your name so let us see which animal has not been drawn yet so you have all drawn land animals so why not draw an animal from the water okay in the water okay in the water 0 i do not know what that is it is a bit it is a bit hard to guess yeah put it colors maybe it will help yes yes the cat is going to eat the fish with different bandwidths so so 0 it is a shark now 0 it is a shark yeah 0 yes why not good idea it is a baby shark it looks to me it is going to eat the cat rather than the cat eating the fish no a swordfish why not you have some in australia right swordfish yeah i do not know maybe i know the same one yeah i hope it still works perfect so i do not know if we need to spend time on that actually well this tool seems to work yeah exactly let us continue to real stuff real stuff our project finance thing when we are and when you are going to design well we must keep in mind that the selling price of the project will be about €25 so when designing a project i also look at you a mile yeah keep in mind people want to get the feeling this is a €25 project per remote control yeah project yes okay more interesting for our company of course profit aim about €15000000 so we have to sell quite a lot of this thing we will try to get at the international market so it will be i think mainly europe and northern america maybe some asian countries also important for all is the product production cost be maximum 12 12 so it is half of the setting price if i am good in mathematics i mean we still have to make our profit of course you all have to pay it we have to sell at least 4000000 to make our own profit we are very good in mathematics yes 4000000 so well i think when we are working on the international markets in principle in principle it has enough customers so when we have a good product we could meet this this aim i think so that is about the finance and now just let have some discussion about what is a good remote control and well keep in mind this this 1st point it has to be original it has to be trendy has to be user friendly maybe someone can mention some additional prerequisites for a good remote control of course it should have an on up button yes it should have the expected functionality of a remote control yes and it depends what application you are using it for might need a we are thinking television we have started targeting the television set so you need to record a channel yeah you need to browse the channels in upward yes that that is very handy i always miss it and on some remote controls that can go channel up or down instead of retyping the number especially when you have a lot of channels and just before studying the details discussion maybe we are the marketing guy or marketing so you are in marketing and you are in user interface design so just i wanted to to be sure and i am the the industrial designer because i do not know you very well actually i am matthew mild happy to meet you and i am not and i am not too yeah i think you know me yeah just on your web page but yeah not face to face so are some other very important things to do well to specify in this 1st phase of the project so the browse function as you need and you need the usual ones like changing the volume changing changing volume changing the channel and then you today we have teletext and all those things tomorrow you might have some more functions which might come through that like what like internet on the ip over now we are looking for television things or ip for example personal video recorder and all those stuff are coming up but we can not really design for something that has not been invented yet it is coming up actually the person video recorder and all those things well i think actually yeah you do should i think think this over especially what functionality of course and 1st before designing the well thinking about the functionality we need to know what are the user requirements and then if they need internet then we would be able to propose something with tv over ip but before 90% of the time 99% of the time people will be using the main functions the volume the different channels so we can have all the fancy things as well but the main controls need to be very obvious and very easy to use keep in mind it is a €25 unit so the very fancy stuff we can leave it out i think so €25 you expect a quite well normal but good functioning user friendly remote control in that case you can always hook up with someone who is providing that and you know you sell that product as well as your product with them you know so try and get tv many questions we want to design a new one yeah no it is okay yeah i understand so we need some numbering buttons some teletext things and then the domain is browsing about the buttons the buttons that will be on it i think we can discuss that in the next meeting yeah i would like to get this wrapped up and go to an end of this meeting okay okay we are all written so you know now the basic basic things yeah and well just just for the next meeting well you work on a design keep it general i mean so we will be still flexible with maybe adding some functions so you will be working on on technical functional design so yeah sure and you when you and a well think about requirements does it need internet or do we stay at basic yeah basic television interface so i think we should now all go work at this and you will be informed via email and kind of communication yeah okay so next meeting will be in 30 minutes keep it in mind okay thank you okay thank you yeah yeah thank you yeah thank you yeah i think this one okay thank you yeah 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[ "minutes from the last meeting which were essentially that we had decided on roles for each of you however there are some changes that i have got from on high that okay are a bit well w what i did not actually realize it was that the this is for a specific television okay so the all in one idea goes out the window and they require that the actually i will get to that at the end point number 4 we will get what you have got and then we can see what we can adapt from it so presentations were you anybody got raring to go yeah yeah raring to go okay good stuff 0 i need to plug you in so how s wow just about it is a inspired design sh do you want me to hold it there we go just screw em on in going to have to swap them round so now it was function f 8 so after that f 8 f 0 sorry f 8 that is the wee blue one blue one f 8 should do it good one okay yeah yeah me again rajan the marketing expert as we have decided in the last meeting that i have to find out sorry yeah sure hold on sorry and if you just click that it will go ahead one at a time yeah yeah actually sorry i have to see the other sorry sorry yeah thank you yes i have to look at the market potential for this product like consumer likings and everything what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieve our a net profit or our aims or not then p press f 5 to start it 1st sorry okay yeah i can okay jesus then the methodology i adopted to find out all this was market survey a a detailed market survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings what they prefer what they not prefer w what problems they do encounter in all this type of things and what we got was we found that if you what they th what problems they are having with different remote controls available in the market 75% of users they do find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly they are not so good looking so we have to put stress on this we have to take care of this fact also like our design should be appropriate should be good looking for the consumers and yes that is wi this will definitely this can definitely put enhance our sales and even the good thing about this is that 80% of users they are willing to pay high pay more for this good looking remote controls also so even if the available market goes for the available even if the market goes for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at €25 which maybe which may seem quite high but if our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better better look designs then we can hope that consumers will prefer these g remote controls excellent then and the 2nd thing some some companies they think that they should have more and more functions of the users or in their remote controls but rather than those having more functions in the remote controls we should emphasize what actually consumer want what they operate rather than making it too complicated because mostly it has been found that 50% of the users they use only 10% of the buttons so there is no point of having 90% buttons making the remote controls too bulky too complicated too expensive a because i think i believe that technology is useful only if the consumers they want to use it otherwise there is no point of having all this type of things so this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also so we have to take care of this fact also then it was function i want to go to 0 you want to go back just escape escape okay thank you then if we look at this slide these are in your shared documents you can see like okay okay sorry so sorry i was just going to say what was the question for this or is are you coming on to that ah t look all the market potential what how we should design consu our remote controls okay what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit enhance our sales so these percentages are are what yeah these are different age group persons like sorry i can open it in another way okay yes speech recognition if we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not we can find that they up to a 35 years age group we have a very good disliking for this this point like for speech recognition in a remote control so we can emphasize on this point also like because it will definitely enhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from 15 to 35 and i and i think that most of the users of the rem t v are belong to this age group so we should look we are als we we are looking at who buys it as well yeah we can look at that that factor also so yes which i think the 25 to 35 is usual sort of yeah so and and then 15 to twe yes i think so if we look at this data how how h how what are the problems the consumers are facing with the existing remote controls in the market they find that thirt 35% 34% of the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control so it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remote controls and we should provide pl spe proper manuals for its use also so as that people consumers could easily learn they need not to have any much technical knowledge to see to know how to operate these remote controls so this is also a very goo major factor to loo take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales so this is all about okay market potential by me yes th thank you okay thank you follow on with helen yeah please yep sure that is cool yeah we have to take that out 0 so we do yeah yeah sorry fun and games sorry do not know if the cable is going to be long enough sorry i have i think i just kicked over whatever it runs on underneath as well brian this one also i yeah okay i can turn my computer quickly if that is okay thank you very much brian if you want me to help yeah yep yeah okay and then what do i press f 8 f 8 function f 8 function f 8 0 right s okay cool it is not coming 0 function f 8 okay yeah yeah no signal computer there you go computer adjusting yeah okay cool okay and then how do i press the the big one to get it on to the big yeah f 5 f 5 and i press that again to get it off as well do i f 5 and escape will bring it back and just the left button for advancing escape okay so i am the interface design designer user interface designer sorry i am concerned with w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and i am i am also i want to point out that our motto put the fashion in electronics so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy and fashionable it is a big concern of ours okay and how do i press n just the next button just a left the arrow okay left mouse button so i looked at existing designs and also the information that raj gave us was very useful about what people like what people dislike and what people fashionable because we said people between 25 and 35 were the main buyers of of our t v i think okay so what they like and what they find fashionable kay and ergonomics we said i do not know i have not actually been able to do any of this myself but maybe that comes up i do not know that can come under arlo as well and the findings well the basic that was the basic function to send messages to the television set that is what people want to do so they need to be included but i have got some pictures here of some leading ones i do not know how to get to them do i press f 5 is it if you if you escape then you can see your bar escape 0 okay cool i have not got my glasses on so i hope it is this one okay these are 2 leading remote controls at the moment you know they are gray they have i mean this one has got loads of buttons kay it is hard to tell from here what they actually do and they do not look very exciting at all personally i prefer this one just because it is looks easier use it is a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff but there you go that is what we are up against and i think we can do much better than that we hope so of course hang on f 5 okay sorry personal preferences well i think we need to l i think the ergonomics is quite important yeah particularly if we have there was a bit in raj is about r s i and things as well huh yeah and i thought not too edgy and like a box more kind of hand held more not as computery and or organic yeah more organic shape i think organic simple designs like the last one we just saw not too many buttons and as raj pointed out only 10% 50% of people only use 10% of the buttons so i think what we can miss out on the buttons we can make up for in design and and how nice it looks sales okay hand held and portable i think is portamint is important because t f t have just released i think is it a a remote control for presentations or and a big 7 inch big screen yeah it is like a yeah anyway so it is yeah no 7 inches is not that big but anyway so hand held and portable and m i thought about other functions for t v but as you pointed out people do not actually want that right so maybe we forget about that and also the company want to keep it stuck to the t v for to keep down the production time yeah it is for one t v 0 right okay sure and so the last thing i thought w which i quickly mentioned in the other one was maybe a bit of a gimmick to set us apart from other people like glow in the dark which does already e exist but it is not very widely used i do not think exactly yeah yeah easy finder with the a whistle function or something or rechargeable station because it is a pain when you run out of batteries okay yeah and i think that yep that is it that is cool so i noticed your talk about speech recognition and whistling okay and i was just curious to know have we done any research into how many people can whistle or if is that a function we want in the remote i have not been able to do you have trouble whistling i do not but i i know a lot of people do right really ooh yeah it just i mean it has to be a certain kind of whistle too right yeah or some sort of voice yeah i suppose that is true well i suppo you could y you could have the you could have the basically instead of a whistle if it has got the voice recognition you could have it just you know where are you yeah that is costly though yeah a much easier thing is just any loud noise like clapping shouting you know and then what would the response be yeah sounds good it beeps back at you or something yeah something okay well let me set this up so i plug it in press f 5 function f 5 function f 8 for the the or function f 8 okay 0 you need to twiddle the thingamibobsy thing okay i think it is just to lock it in yeah it has got it okay okay so as the industrial designer my job is to take an input from you guys so it is good you went 1st alright and i jotted down some notes as to what are the b needs and what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others let us remember that so raj told us that consumers are willing to spend more for fancy products and he also mentioned that the current products do not always match users operating behavior a lot of the buttons are not used and he mentioned that they are not fun to use and a novel feature which we just brought up was this this automatic speech recognition feature or noise detection feature for when you lose the remote there could be a little microphone on it and any noise over a certain threshold it will pick up as a a distress signal from you and it will beep back and say you know 0 here i am or something of this sort but sure surely that would have to be sort of specific rather than above a threshold cause if you had a loud movie on you are likely to get it beeping back at you 0 yeah yeah that is true well maybe you could have a tha that would be a consideration to take into account yes sorry i did not mean to derail you there yeah well tha that is for later down the road and then as for the user interface it should be trendy and not computery right so more low tech and not too many buttons so i took these all into consideration and also i have some limitations from the boss right and practical limitations which i kinda threw out the window and so i did a little research and unfortunately all i had to work on was our our corporate archives of the great products we have made before which include you know space craft coffee makers and bullet trains ah is that what that is or or a high speed train right and having personally worked with all these products i have a great deal of experience with with industrial design of these well that is cool if you if you can build space craft you will have no problem with a remote control yeah right yeah sure so i figured just put em all together you got a a caffeine powered space shuttle train transport to your t v and as for the user interface problem you know too many buttons give it one button and and it is a you know for the the cowboy in all of us i i am not quite sure what the the function is there but right okay well i like that design yeah it is a g i mean you could have a you know a is that just switches on the speech recognition and it is entirely speech operated is it right yeah so i think i i missed the budget thing it was €50000000 yeah and we got to sell 25 of them yeah not a problem right 50000000 was professor okay ah now it is fif €50000000 we have got to we have g got to make profit so we are making that at €125 a time as a profit 0 okay so i i mixed those numbers okay well i guess more realistically then we need a product that has got some kinda nifty outer casing cheap plastic you know that should be just like a 10th of the price maybe or less an energy source which would probably just be your regular batteries we do not want to have it okay would it be possible to have the rechargeable idea is that is that going to mark up a lot or a little base station or something yeah yeah yeah we could do that too i had not thought of that yeah that might cost more though cause obviously with batteries we do not need to provide well we provide the 1st batteries but it is more it is that is cheaper to just provide batteries yeah yeah right i mean if you think about these base stations now it is essentially just a a lead with a sort of self connecting brake in it a battery in it kinda so i do not think it would up up the price that much right so so the unirs the user interface the canonical user interface for these would be just a bunch of buttons okay okay but since we are a cutting edge company we of course will have alternatives like speech recognition whistling recognition and rocket power okay behind our product and lastly the transmission interface is just some engineering thing you do not have to worry about okay so here is you know a great schematic that my apprentice designer gave me as you can see the the remote control have parts and those parts look like that and you know it has got a little operating procedure that looks something like that and i suppose you all know how it works because we have all used it and we would not be in a company designing remote controls if we did not know what they were so personal preferences i think programmable options which just require a small amount of memory non volatile memory just so the user can put in their favorite channels and maybe their preferred volume settings so that when they turn it on it is not blasting that is a good idea actually i like the programmable options yeah me too 0 okay and the the bells and whistles that we mentioned you know they take more budgeting more technical expenditure of effort and it is also much more likely to not work if if we add these bells and whistles right kay yeah that is all i got kay thank you very much i will take that back ooh that is tight right also so a notice i got not very long before the meeting so did not manage to forward it on to you it is let us see i will find it myself ta nah okay i do not think we need to screw it in just push it yeah we had that to dis include teletext because it is become outdated and everybody uses the internet anyway dunno what oracle would have to say with that but never mind it is only for the television which i am presuming means it is for a specific television okay and instead of colors and sorta color options they want corporate color and slogan somehow implemented in the new design corporate color yellow okay yellow i presume everything all their sort of you know the corporate website and everything is yellow and the logo the sort of slogan we put the fa fashion in electronics i do not know exactly how sort of incorpor i mean i guess if you are going for a sort of globular shape you could kind of have it working its way round it or something yeah where am i okay okay so we have to decide on which functions we are going to actually have kay now we had as listed options we had speech recognition potentially flat screen interface l c d interface we also want to limit the number of buttons so we will pretty much take that one as read we will use the the basic functions for a television no teletext okay hold on although the the danger with that is it could look a bit cheap not enough buttons you mean yeah well so sorta strike a balance between a a few and a or it looks like we are just cutting on the on the number of buttons kind of functions and stuff i do however have this from over my head that they do not want teletext on it okay okay cool maybe raj you could find out what people would think about that or maybe they will send about cost some information about that about what people whether people would require teletext in a remote teletext option in a remote control okay okay so i take it your position arlo is that the bells and whistles we have got to come up with the a gimmick but not too complicated a gimmick yeah yeah so i mean a a the sort of inkling i am getting from little bits of web chatter that i am getting sent is that they are quite interested in a t f t display interactive display however that does sound a bit like the more complicated design that rav sorry raj said people did not like although i guess if there is a sort of if you think about standard interfaces that people use already sort of windows style drop down menus or whatever i think maybe that is a bit yeah going a bit far but you know like in a basic sense that you could have your basic selection of buttons and if you hit a sort of menu at the top you have it goes to a different selection of buttons so it sorta keeps it simple yeah okay glow in the dark is that sort of with a light inside it or is it sort of glow in the dark material glow in the dark material i was thinking okay so so i i guess that would be cheaper than a light i think i may i say something about yeah yeah actually i think it is really really very important point as if we look at the market because people mor 50% people they find that the remote controls are often lost somewhere in the remote in the room but yeah are lost and means they forget where they have kept the remote control last time often lost s was that yeah lost yeah but if we add speech recognition as well as glow in the dark then both these factors will help their locating the remote control like if they come and speak something at the remote control replies to something something and it glows in the dark both these factors both these points will help them to locate the where they have kept this remote control that is cool that is cool and this will definitely enhance our market sales so we should take it into consideration also okay cool well speech recognition i take it 0 it is i do not i have i know of no products that use speech recognition well they are act there there was a remote control that came out 2 years ago that had a some basic speech recognition on it you could program it with your channels and then you say you know like b b c one and it goes to that channel really yeah it did not work very well though because of this noise interference problem they mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to b b c one yeah or a yeah an advert an advert for b b c 2 on b b c one will switch the channel for you kinda thing right right and so there was a lot of this you would be watching the t v and then all of a sudden it would it would pick up a noise and turn it off or you know or turn the volume off or something kay but if you can work around that that noise problem huh well what about this might get a bit too expensive actually but what about something that is built into the t v that you can press and it will send out a little signal you know like the ones that we can not hear or something that that will activate the remote control starts to beep ah that is a good idea right so like a kind of backwards remote from the telly if you find if y right and then it would do just you know subtractive kind of cancellation of the noise yeah what you could do then would be you have a remote controlled by the t v speaker or not a remo i am sorry a microphone by the t v speaker and a transmitter there that sends back to your remote cause you can not expect the the television manufacturers to to put that feature into their t v s yeah that is the only thing yeah but yeah then you have like the little se separate module by the t v speaker right that we should just stick on yeah that comes with our remote control which right and then the remote control would know what is being produced by the television yeah yeah and that is a sort of basic r f kind of frequency so it will be cheap right right right right yeah that is certainly possible then an another thing was about this losing the remote and trying to find it again if you do have this sorta speech interface to it you do not even need to find it you just say you know whatever you whatever you want the remote for you know to change the channel or to turn the t v on and off you just shout your command to it and it would do it for you if it is within you know within hearing range huh and you know it could be somewhere in the room y that you have no idea where it is and it would still do its job that could also be built into the t v though which might make our remote control a bit obsolete yeah well hopefully we are we are ahead of the curve it might do us out of a job yeah okay okay i like the whole sort of remote feedback thing so i think rather than and that also kind of takes out the speech recognition in terms of the interference of it not working very well and things like that and the expense so i th yeah and expense and the time so i think if we are going to go well i mean like the thing about the there is the problem with the t f t or the l c d kind of thing is if you are also wanting the the kind of organic globby sort of feeling to it then you might have trouble incorporating the screen but i guess not i thin we will just we will just pretend that is not a problem and how are you about the glow in the dark material is that maybe not even all of it cause we said colors and fashion w were important so maybe just like a little l line that is kind of around the outside and then you can make the rest a different color contrast contra well yeah no th the material is cheap but it is just the the glow in the dark material needs some light to charge it you know and then if you are if you are sitting in the dark for too long it it will not glow any more yeah okay so if it is dow it is d yeah or if it is down under the couch cushions which is where i usually find mine right right okay well we can use we can still use the glow in the dark as a gimmick essentially yeah cause what i thought main if we are going to have to if we are going to have the logo on as well bright yellow logo in our our slogan slogan yeah then you know they are going to be fairly brightly colored anyway and we can have sort of a a a trimming as well of the glow in the dark material just as gimmickyness right cause yeah that w more than finding it that was more like you know if you are watching a film in the dark you can still see the remote control alright so n sorta if if if we are gon if we are going to go with the idea of of feedback that was more of a a gimmick sort of remote finder then that kinda stuffs that one out then do you think it makes it fairly unnecessary then yeah unnecessary okay yeah okay so scratch that so we have got do we want to go with the t f t idea or the is that far too expensive yeah we are getting a lot of features now i i think well i mean i think i think the sort of find the finder things i mean it is i could probably write the circuit diagram for that myself yeah well i think a consideration too is that these remotes get abused a lot you know they get thrown around there is a good chance the the t f t screen would break or get damaged they are pretty fragile so is that one of our definite requirements that they wa that it needs a t f t screen okay no i mean that was going on ravs raj is sort of marketing research i guess so we will stick with sort of programmability for the buttons that we do have so that is sort of included in your sub module kind of stuff yeah you were finding out about teletext if you could find out that yeah totally it takes cheap speech recognition she they wi i think we are going to scratch the speech recognition as a bit of a 0 expensive no yeah you think so 0 no it is it is much cheaper than the t f t it is just a microphone and some some integrated circuits 0 right okay is it not the circuits that cost and it would it would be a small vocabulary speech recognition system like a 0 right okay well that kind of takes back the r f the r f remote sort of idea as well okay 5 minutes okay decisions votes let us vote who wants t f t no one does excellent so we will go with speech recognition yeah yeah that is cool okay speech recognition limited buttons organic design and what else was i thinking of that i have not written down and therefore fallen out my head programmability glow in dark if it is not too expensive s i think it is a good gimmick 0 okay yeah and also integrating the remember to integrate the logo and the s slogan okay so can you put all these reports in the project documents folder if they are not already in there as well so it just helps me summarize them yeah yeah here sure and i will put any i am i am putting anything i do in there anyway so and where is it sorry pro project documents on so it should be when you save a m i scenario controller on your desktop so it goes save as or 0 it is in shared documents and then hit that little folder up thing again where am i projoct projector project documents yeah it is on your desktop as well again all the way to the top yeah that is up to desktop right and then project documents okay cool it is not giving anything shared documents and i will tr getting strings of information i will try and forward any specific to anybody in particular as soon as i get them now rather than i was about to sort of tell you about the changes before the meeting and then the meeting turned up so okay did you get my email i did okay just making sure okay what i thought as well about the material is maybe not this kind of material so but maybe more like this kind of rubbery material it is a bit more bouncy like you said they get chucked around a lot a bit more durable and that can also be ergonomic and it kind of feels a bit different from all the other remote controls okay yeah the rubber rather than yeah more sort of flesh like than plasticky sort of wow but we have to take care like but we have to take care of our children also if they means if children catch hold of your or if they chew it it should not be too harmful so whatever material we use it should be yeah 0 no ethics that is going to cost us money so we have to safety point of view also we have to take care okay safety 0 i think wi with the more organic shape of it it will not be as it will not as have many sharp corners as that so that is something good yeah i dunno i mean it sme smells good for children we could go comp yeah yeah we could go completely out of the box and make the thing a big red ball foam ball and it has got the thing on the inside and there is no buttons at all it is always on and just yell at it and it works that is a good idea that sounds yeah it is going to have to be it is going to be have a big yellow foam ball yeah sorry and then ch children will love it interesting 0 yellow yellow ball yeah d with the color does it have to be all yellow do you know right please god no no well i would not th i mean my reaction to an all yellow remote control would not be anything other than horror so i think just having it yeah small logo with the like a small yellow strip or y yellow with the logo in it having a little bit surrounding the logo okay cool yeah okay cool and i will see if i can argue with boss about putting the what was it we put we put fashion into whoops it is not working can not believe i have forgotten it we put the fashion in electronics 0 yeah that is a good one that i bet that will catch on well yeah so okay any last yeah worries queries 1230 okay s s i know what you are thinking okay then lunchtime yay that is good okay that felt a bit more like a something with order and and reason to it than the last one this is quite fun actually wow has anybo 0 i really do not has anybody pressed okay it vibrates it is pretty cool yeah yeah yep check here wow you have your 1st page i was just writing really big yeah got small writing yeah i have been using up the pages i do not want to waste it i have finished the meeting now another questionnaire 0 everybody needs k questionnaire" ]

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[ "minutes from the last meeting which were essentially that we had decided on roles for each of you however there are some changes that i have got from on a high that are a bit well what i did not actually realize it was that the this is for a specific television okay so they are all in one idea it goes out the window and they require that the actually i will get to that as you see it is point number 4 and we will get what you have got and then we can see what we can adapt from it so presentations anybody got yeah waring to go yeah yeah stuff i need to plug you in i need to plug you in just about do you want to wait just screw one and we have to swap them around so and function f 8 f 8 that is we blew one of that i should we do it yeah yeah me again raj as a marketing expert as we have decided in the last meeting that i have to find out someone is fine yeah sure if you just click that it will go ahead yeah actually sorry i have to see the other i am sorry yes i have to look out the market potential for this product and like consumer likings and everything what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieve this our net profit or our aims or not then then press a 5 to start it then the methodology i adopted all this was market survey a detailed market survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikes what they prefer what they know what problems they do encounter in all these type of things and what we got 1st we found that what they what problems they are having with the current remote controls available in the market 75% of users they find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly they are not so good looking so we have to put stress on this we have to take care of this fact also like our design should be appropriate should be good looking for the consumers and yes this will definitely this can definitely put enhance our sales and even the good thing about this is that 80% of users they are willing to pay high pay more for this good looking remote controls also so even if the available market cost for the available even if the market cost for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at 25 euros which may be which may seem quite high but if our looks are if the remote control we designed have a good better better look better designs then we can hope that consumers will prefer these remote controls then and the 2nd thing some some companies they think that they should have more and more functions of the users or in their remote controls but rather than those those having more functions in the remote controls which should emphasize what actually consumer want what they operate rather than making it too complicated because mostly it has been found that 50% of the users they use only 10% of the buttons so there is no fun of having 90% buttons making the remote controls too bulky too complicated too expensive and because i think i believe that technology is useful only if the consumers they want to use it otherwise there is no fun of having all this type of thing so this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also so we have to take care of this factor also it was function i want to go 0 you want to go back just escape then if we look at this slide these are in your shared documents you can see i was just going to say what was the question for this or are you coming on to that look out the market potential but how we should design our remote controls but it should be there so as to enhance our profit enhance our sales so these are different age group persons like sorry i can open it in another way speech work yes if we look at the course whether the consumers they are willing to pay more for speech recognition in a remote control or not we can find that the up to a 35 years age group we have a very good disliking for this this point like for speech recognition in remote control so we can emphasize on this point also like because it will definitely enhance our sales in this in this particular age group from 15 to 35 and i and i think that most of the users of the remiretiv are belong to this age group so we should look at who buys it as well yeah we can look at this that factor also so yes which i think the 25 to 35 is usual yeah so and and then yes if we look at this data how how how how how how how how how the problems the consumers are facing with the existing remote controls in the market they find that 35% a 34% of the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control so it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remote controls and we should provide proper manuals for its use also so as that consumers could easily learn they need not to have any much technical knowledge to see to know how to operate these remote controls so this is also a major factor to take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales this is all about market potential by me yes okay thank you follow on with helen yep sure that is cool 0 so we do one of games i do not know if the cable is going to do longer i just kicked over or whatever it runs on underneath as well okay thank you very much brian i can turn my computer quickly that is okay before i do help okay and then what do i press f a f a function effort okay cool it is not coming function effort i do yeah yeah there is no signal computer okay okay and then how do i press the big one to get it on to the day f 5 and i press that again to get it off as well f 5 an escape will bring it back and just the left button for advancing okay so i am the interface designer user interface designer sorry i am concerned with what effect the operator should have on the user and i am also i want to point out our motto put the fashion in electronics so obviously as a company we want to make our products trendy in fashion it is a big concern about us okay and how do i press the next button just the left there okay so i looked at existing designs and also the information that raj gave us was very useful about what people like what people dislike and what people fashionable because we said people between 25 and 35 were the main buyers of our tv i think so what they like and what they find fashionable and ergonomics research i do not know i have not actually been able to do any of this myself but maybe that comes up i do not know and the findings well the basic that was a basic function to send messages to the television set that is what people want to do so they need to be included but i have got some pictures here of some leading ones i do not know how to get some do i press an f 5 is it if you escape then you can see your bar 0 okay cool i have not got my glasses here so i hope it is this one these are 2 leading remote controls at the moment you know they are gray i mean this one has got loads of buttons it is hard to tell from here what they actually do and they do not look very exciting at all personally i prefer this one just because it looks easier to use it is a bit more sleek with more of this silver stuff but there you go that is what we are up against and i think we can do much better than that hang on f 5 okay sorry personal preferences well i think we need to i think the ergonomics is quite important particularly if there was a bit in raj is about rsi and things as well and i thought not too edgy and like a box more kind of handheld more not as computery and organic organic yeah more organic shape i think simple designs like the last one we just saw not too many buttons and as raj pointed out only 10% 50% of people only use 10% of the buttons so i think what we can miss out on the buttons we can make up for in design and how nice it looks handheld and portable i think is important because tft have just released i think is it a remote control for presentations or a big screen anyway so yeah not 7 minutes but anyway so handheld and portable and i thought about other functions for tv but as you pointed out people do not actually want that so maybe we also the company want to keep it stuck to the tv for to keep down the production time 0 right okay and so the last thing i thought which i quickly mentioned in the other one was maybe a bit of a gimmick to set us apart from other people like blow in the dark which it does already exist but it is not very widely used i do not think easy finder with a whistle function or something or rechargeable station because it is a pain when you run out batteries and i think that yep that is it so i noticed we are talking about speech recognition and whistling and i was just curious to know have we done any research in how many people can whistle or is that a function we want in the remote do you have trouble whistling i do not but i know a lot of people do right really yeah i mean it has to be a certain kind of whistle too right yeah i suppose that is true you could have the basically instead of a whistle if it has got the voice recognition you could have it just you know where are you yeah it is costly though a much easier thing is just any loud noise like clapping shouting you know and then would the response be a beeps back at you or something yeah something okay well let me set this up so plug it in press f 5 function f 5 function f 8 for the well function f 8 the okay i need to twiddle the thinking of books i think i think it is just to lock it in it has got it okay and as the industrial designer my job is to take input from you guys so it is good you went 1st and i jotted down some notes as to what are the needs to what are the needs and what kind of novel features we can add to differentiate our product from the others saraj told us that consumers are willing to spend more for fancy products and you also mentioned that the current products do not always match users operating behavior a lot of the buttons are not used and i mentioned that i mentioned that they are not fun to use and a novel feature which we just brought up was this automatic speech recognition feature or noise detection feature for when you lose a remote there could be a little microphone on it and any noise over a certain threshold it will pick up as a distress signal from you and it will beat back and say 0 here i am surely that would have to be sort of specific ground and above a threshold because if you had a loud movie on you like lay it getting back at you that is true well maybe you could have a that would be a consideration taking the count of this sorry it did not mean the drill you know yeah well that is for later down the road and then as for the user interface it should be trendy i am not computery right so more low tech and not too many buttons so i took these all into consideration and also i have some limitations from the boss right and practical limitations which i kind of threw out the window and so i did a little research and unfortunately all i had to work on was our corporate archives of the great products we have made before which include you know spacecraft coffee makers and bullet trains 0 is that what that is or a high speed train right and having personally worked with all these products i have a great deal of experience with industrial design if you can build spacecraft you will have no problem with a remote control so i figured just put them all together we had a caffeine powered space shuttle train transport to your tv and as for the user interface problem you know too many buttons give it one button and it is you know for the cowboy and all of us i am not quite sure what the function is there well i like that design i mean you could have a you know that just switches on the speech recognition and it is entirely speech operating so i think i missed the budget thing €50000000 and we got to solve 25 of them yeah not a problem €50000000 we have got to make profit so we are making that at €125 a time well i guess more realistically then we need a product that has got some kind of nifty outer case and cheap plastic that should be just like a 10th of the price maybe or less an energy source which would probably just be the regular batteries okay would it be possible to have the rechargeable idea is that going to mark up a lot a little base station or something yeah yeah we could do that too i had not thought of that that might cost more though because obviously with batteries we do not need to provide well we provide the 1st batteries but it is more it does cheaper i mean if you think about these base stations though it is essentially just a lead with a sort of self connecting brake in it so i do not think i would up the price that much the user interface the canonical user interface for these would be just a bunch of buttons but since we are a cutting edge company we of course we will have alternatives like speech recognition whistling recognition and rocket power okay and lastly the transmission interface is just some engineering thing you do not have to worry about so here is a great schematic that my apprentice designer gave me as you can see the remote control have parts and those parts look like that and you know it has got a little operating procedure that looks something like that and i suppose you all know how it works because we have all used it and we would not be in a company designing remote controls if we did not know what they were personal preferences i think programmable options which just require a small amount of memory non volatile memory just so the user can put in their favorite channels and maybe their preferred volume settings that when they turn it on it is not blasting that is a good idea actually i like the programmable options yeah you do 0 okay and the bells and whistles that we mention you know you take more budgeting more technical expenditure of effort and it is also much more likely to not work if we add these spells and aces that is all i got okay thank you very much i will take that back right also so i noticed i got not very long before the meeting so i did not manage to forward it on to you is i will find it for some i think you would screw it in we had that to dis include teletext because it is because it is become outdated who uses the internet anyway oracle would have to say with that not mind it is only for the television which i am presuming means it is for a specific television and instead of colors and sort of color options they want corporate color and slogan somehow implemented in the new design corporate color yellow yeah yeah i presume everything all this sort of you know the corporate website and everything is yellow and the logo the sort of slogan we put the fashion in electronics i do not know exactly how sort of in corporate i mean i guess if you are going for a sort of globular shape you could kind of have it working its way around it or something where am i okay so we have to decide on which functions we are going to actually have now we had as listed options we had speech recognition potentially flat screen interface lcd interface interface we also want to limit the number of buttons so we will pretty much take that one as red we will use the basic functions for a television no teletext although the danger with that is it could look a bit cheap not enough buttons you mean yeah so it is sort of strike a balance between a few and a or it looks like we are just cutting on the on number of buttons i do however have this from over my head okay they do not want teletext limit okay cool maybe raj you could find out what people would think about that or maybe they will send some information about that about what people other people would require teletext in their remote text option in their remote computer okay okay so i take at your position i know is that the bells and whistles we have got to come up with a gimmick but not too complicated a gimmick yeah so i mean the sort of inkling i am getting from little bits of web chatter that i am getting sent is that they are quite interested in a tft display interactive display however that does sound a bit like the more complicated design that rav sorry raj said people did not like although i guess if there is a sort of think about standard interfaces that people use already sort of windows style drop down menus or whatever i think that is a bit going a bit far but you know like in a basic sense that you could have your basic selection of buttons if you hit a sort of menu at the top you have it goes to a different selection of buttons so it keeps it simple glow in the dark is that sort of with a light inside it or is it sort of go in the dark material glow in the dark material i was thinking so i guess that would be cheaper than advanced i will say something about this actually i think it is really really very important point if we look at the those people more 50% people they find that the remote controls are often lost somewhere in the remote in the room but for lost and means they forget where they have kept the remote control last time but if we add speech recognition as well as glowing the dark and both these factors will help their locating their remote control like if they come and speak something and the remote control replies to something something and it glows in the dark both these factors both these points will help them to locate where they have kept this remote control and this will definitely enhance our market sales so we should take it into consideration also okay cool speech recognition take it i do not i know of no products there was a remote control that came out 2 years ago that had some basic speech recognition on it you could program it with your channels and then you say you know like bbc one and it goes to that channel yeah it did not work very well though because of this noise interference problem they mentioned you know if the television says you are listening to bbc one yeah or yeah an advert for bbc 2 on bbc one will switch the channel for you kind of thing right right and so there is a lot of this you would be watching the tv and then all of a sudden it would pick up a noise and turn it off or you know or turn the volume off or something but if you can work around that noise problem well what about this might get a bit too expensive actually but what about something that is built into the tv that you can press and it will send out a little signal you know like the ones that we can not hear or something that will activate the remote control starts to beep so like a kind of backwards remote yeah and then we do just you know subtracted kind of cancellation of the noise what you could do then would be you have a remote control by the tv speaker or not remote i am sorry a microphone by the tv speaker and a transmitter there that sends back to your remote because you can not expect the television manufacturers to put that feature into their tvs yeah that is the only thing yeah yeah then you have like a little separate module by the tv speaker that comes with our remote control right and then the remote control will know what is being produced by the television so basic r a right frequency so it will be cheap right yeah that is certainly possible then another thing is about this losing remote and trying to find it again if you do have this sort of speech interface to it you do not even need to find it you just say you know whatever you want the remote for you know to change a channel or to turn the tv on and off you just shout your command to it and they will do it for you if it is within you know within hearing range hearing range and you know could be somewhere in the room you have no idea where it is and it would still do its job that could also be built into the tv there which might make our remote control a bit obsolete yeah well hopefully we are out of a job we are ahead of the curve okay okay i like the whole sort of remote feedback thing so i think rather than and that also kind of takes out the speech recognition in terms of the interference and they are not working very well in things like that and the expense yeah the expense of the time so i think if we are going to go well i mean like the thing about the problem with the tft or the lcd kind of thing is if you are also wanting the kind of organic globy sort of feeling to it then you might have trouble incorporating screen but i guess not i do not know i will just pretend that is not a problem and how are you about the glow and a dark material maybe not even all of it because we said colors and fashion were important so maybe just like a little line that is kind of around the outside and then you can make the rest a different color yeah the material is cheap but it is just just the glowing in the dark material needs some light to charge it you know yeah okay if you are sitting in the dark for too long it will not glow in one or if it is down under the couch cushions which i usually find mine right okay well we can still use the glow in the dark as a gimmick essentially yeah because what i thought main if we are going to have the logo on as well bright yellow logo in our our slogon slogon then you know they are going to be fairly brightly colored anyway and you can have sort of a trimming as well as they go in the dark until just as a gimmick in it yeah that more than finding it that was more like you know if you are watching the film in the dark you can still see the remote control all right so that was more of a if we are going to go with the idea of feedback remote finder then that kind of stuff that one out then do you think it makes it fairly unnecessary yeah yeah okay so we have got do we want to go with the tft idea is that we are getting a lot of future now i think i mean i think i think they are sort of finder things i mean it is i could pull the way right the circuit diagram for that to sell well i think our consideration too is that these remotes get abused a lot you know you get thrown around there is a good chance the tft screen would break or get damaged they are pretty fragile so is that one of our definite requirements that they need to no i mean that was going on raja is sort of marketing research i guess so stick with sort of program ability for the buttons that we do have and so that is included in your submodule kind of stuff you are finding out about teletext you could find out that teletext speech recognition i think we are going to scratch the speech recognition as a bit of an expensive now 0 no it is much cheaper than the tft it is just a microphone and some integrated circuits it is a small vocabulary speech recognition system all right okay well that kind of takes back the rf remote sort of idea as well 5 minutes okay decisions vote who wants tft no one does excellent so we go with speech recognition yeah yeah that is good speak records and limited buttons organic design and what else was thinking of that i have not written down in there for phone out my head programmability glowing dark if it is not too i think it is good to get it okay and also integrating the member to integrate the logo and the slogan okay okay so can you put all these reports in the project documents folder if i am already in there as well it just helps me summarize yeah and i will put anything i do in there anyway in where is it sorry project documents on it should be when you save ami scenario controller on your desktop so go save that is it in share document and then hit that little folder up thing project documents yeah it is on your desktop as well all the way to the top and then project documents okay cool it is not giving anything i do not get any and i will try i am getting strings of information i will try and forward any specific to anybody in particular as soon as i get them now rather than i was about to sort of tell you about the changes before the meeting and then the meeting turned up so okay did you get my email i did yeah it is like it okay well i thought as well about the material this maybe not this kind of material but maybe more like this kind of rubbery material it is a bit more bouncy like you said they get chucked around a lot a bit more durable and that can also be ergonomic and it kind of feels a bit different from all other remote controls the rubber rather more sort of flesh like than plasticy wow but we have to take care of like but we have to take care about children also if they if children catch hold of you or if they eat it should not be too harmful so whatever material we use 0 no ethics that is going to cost us money so we have to safety point of view also i think with the more organic shape of it it will not be as you will not as have many sharp corners of that so that is something good i do not know it smells good for children we go completely out of the box and make the thing a big red ball phone ball it has got the thing in the inside there is no buttons at all it is always on and just yell at it that is a good idea it is going to be a big yellow 0 yellow yeah with the color does it have to be all yellow please god no well i would not i mean my reaction to an all yellow remote control would not be anything other than horror so i think just having it small logo like a small yellow strip or yellow square is the logo in it yeah okay cool i will see if i can argue with the boss about putting the what is it we put fashion into oops it is not working i can not believe i have forgotten it on we put the fashion in electronics 0 yeah that is a good one yeah i bet that will catch on well okay any last worries cotterty okay so i know what you are thinking okay then lunchtime that is good okay that felt a bit more like something with order and reason to it in the last one it is quite fun actually wow has anybody pressed okay it will vibrate yeah pretty cool wow you found it on your 1st page yeah we have got some more i think i have not used enough pages i do not want to wait for it i am going to finish the meeting now 0 everybody another question now" ]

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