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+ "text": " sure for sure. Yeah. Her ride is a preference. So single impacts fine but if it was multiple as we"
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+ "text": " compromising for handling. I could see this is you know on the firmer edge of that you know we're"
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+ "text": " or sporty driving car. I'm far like this that you want to drive with some vigor. Yeah. Is"
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+ "text": " It's still working."
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ "text": " I can give up a little bit of ride for that trucky off-road feeling."
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+ "text": " It feels so trucky and an old school."
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+ "end": 1069.6,
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+ "text": " I want to say we're in appreciation though, that they're still trying to make these fun cars."
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+ "end": 1075.6,
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+ "text": " Like, the thing has some personality."
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+ "end": 1078.6,
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+ "text": " And I give a lot of credit for that."
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+ "end": 1079.6,
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1080.6,
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1081.6,
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+ "text": " Well, I've got a question for both of you guys."
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2068
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2070
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2075
+ "text": " They don't care."
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2078
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+ "text": " But anyway, so let's just pretend for a second that each of us were in the market for."
2081
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2083
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2084
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2088
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+ "text": " So let's just try and stick with you know,"
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2093
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2108
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2109
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2113
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+ "text": " I wouldn't be, even when you get a new car like that first thing."
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+ "text": " It's the worst."
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+ "text": " It's the worst."
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+ "text": " And I think it looks so nice."
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2183
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2273
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2278
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2283
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2284
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2288
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2289
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2291
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2293
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2294
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2299
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2303
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2313
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2318
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2319
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2323
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2328
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2339
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2343
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2346
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2349
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2353
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2358
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2359
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2361
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2363
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2364
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2368
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2373
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2374
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2378
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2379
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2383
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2384
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2385
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2389
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2391
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2408
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2409
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2413
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2414
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2418
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2419
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2423
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2424
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2428
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2429
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2433
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2434
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2435
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2437
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2438
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2439
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2440
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2441
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2442
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2443
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2444
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2445
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2447
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2448
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2449
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2450
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2453
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2454
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2455
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2456
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2458
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2459
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2460
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2463
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2464
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2465
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2466
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2467
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2468
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2469
+ "end": 1291.6,
2470
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2471
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2472
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2473
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2474
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2475
+ "text": " My mom did not do that."
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2478
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2479
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2480
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2481
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2482
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2483
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2484
+ "end": 1297.6,
2485
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2486
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2487
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2488
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2489
+ "end": 1298.6,
2490
+ "text": " Yeah."
2491
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2492
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2493
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2494
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2495
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2496
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2498
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2499
+ "end": 1300.6,
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2501
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2503
+ "start": 1300.6,
2504
+ "end": 1306.6,
2505
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2506
+ },
2507
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2508
+ "start": 1306.6,
2509
+ "end": 1307.6,
2510
+ "text": " Yeah."
2511
+ },
2512
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2513
+ "start": 1307.6,
2514
+ "end": 1308.6,
2515
+ "text": " Do a new rugged SUV."
2516
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2517
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2518
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2519
+ "end": 1310.6,
2520
+ "text": " I'd go with a Bronco."
2521
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2522
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2523
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2524
+ "end": 1313.6,
2525
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2526
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2527
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2528
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2529
+ "end": 1315.6,
2530
+ "text": " The more I see it, the two-door model is good."
2531
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2532
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2533
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2534
+ "end": 1316.6,
2535
+ "text": " Yeah."
2536
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2537
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2538
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2539
+ "end": 1317.6,
2540
+ "text": " The Man I think is good looking."
2541
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2542
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2543
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2544
+ "end": 1319.6,
2545
+ "text": " And you have all that money now left over to accessorize."
2546
+ },
2547
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2548
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2549
+ "end": 1320.6,
2550
+ "text": " And it's..."
2551
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2552
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2553
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2554
+ "end": 1321.6,
2555
+ "text": " Well, it's considerably less expensive."
2556
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2557
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2558
+ "start": 1321.6,
2559
+ "end": 1322.6,
2560
+ "text": " Yeah."
2561
+ },
2562
+ {
2563
+ "start": 1322.6,
2564
+ "end": 1325.6,
2565
+ "text": " And yet if you get the Turbo B6 version like what we tested, it's a much nicer product."
2566
+ },
2567
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2568
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2569
+ "end": 1328.6,
2570
+ "text": " It's a much nicer powertrain, I think, to work with."
2571
+ },
2572
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2573
+ "start": 1328.6,
2574
+ "end": 1331.6,
2575
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+ "end": 1775.6,
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+ "text": " And what that meant was you have an engine and you had a transmission and then a drive shaft that goes back axle"
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+ "end": 1778.6,
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+ "text": " and then goes out to the wheels and you have all this drive line loss."
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+ "end": 1785.6,
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+ "text": " When we started making cars more fuel efficient and to lower cost, they put the front wheel, they came up with the front wheel drive setup."
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+ "text": " So now you just have a sideways engine and gear is going to two axles and right boom, you're right there."
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+ "end": 1795.6,
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+ "text": " It's more efficient and it's handling wise."
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+ "end": 1798.6,
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+ "text": " It's actually what we would say is safer."
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+ "end": 1804.6,
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+ "text": " For stability control, cars with rear wheel drive could oversteer easily in slippery conditions,"
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+ "end": 1810.6,
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+ "text": " which means the rear end swings out on you, which requires more driving skill than say a front wheel drive car that you lose control of,"
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+ "end": 1815.6,
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+ "text": " because typically that's an understeer situation, meaning you turn the wheel and the car just kind of plows straight."
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+ "end": 1817.6,
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+ "text": " In those situations you just lift off the throttle."
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+ },
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+ "start": 1817.6,
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+ "end": 1821.6,
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+ "text": " Most situations you just lift off the throttle for that to regain control."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1830.6,
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+ "text": " Stability control has now taken over all cars and that's a little less of an issue because it saves you from those oversteering situations"
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+ },
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+ "start": 1830.6,
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+ "end": 1833.6,
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+ "text": " and even understeering situations depending on the model or the system."
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+ "start": 1833.6,
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+ "end": 1842.6,
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+ "text": " With EVs, you know, you have this car with big battery down low, low center of gravity, and you can put a motor wherever you want really,"
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+ },
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+ "end": 1845.6,
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+ "text": " because it's just a little electric motor, front and rear, depending on the setup."
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+ "end": 1849.6,
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+ "text": " Some of these have individual wheel motors, some of them have a room one for each axle or whatever."
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+ "end": 1852.6,
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+ "text": " I think it's a cost and a handling thing still."
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+ "end": 1860.6,
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+ "text": " I mean, stability control is there, but it's just a kind of a costing and for handling."
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+ "end": 1868.6,
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+ "text": " I wonder if sometimes if also some automakers might be thinking that people are comfortable with front wheel drive."
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3253
+ "start": 1868.6,
3254
+ "end": 1876.6,
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+ "text": " Because of this aspect that you talked about, again, some of the benefits of front wheel drive are not valid here anymore"
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+ {
3258
+ "start": 1876.6,
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+ "end": 1879.6,
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+ "text": " because there's no drive shaft that's taking up interior space."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 1879.6,
3264
+ "end": 1882.6,
3265
+ "text": " We don't have to worry about that. That's not part of the debate anymore."
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3269
+ "end": 1891.6,
3270
+ "text": " But for decades, people thought, front wheel drive, better traction, and I'm kind of with Andy here that if it were me"
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3274
+ "end": 1894.6,
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+ "text": " and I were trying to get up the hill, I'd probably in a front wheel drive car, I'd probably go up backwards"
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+ },
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3278
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3279
+ "end": 1899.6,
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+ "text": " because of the weight transfer. But anyway, so I wonder if that's part of it"
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3284
+ "end": 1906.6,
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+ "text": " that they feel people might be more comfortable, but that will say that there are a lot of rear wheel drive EVs out right now,"
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+ "end": 1909.6,
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+ "text": " with all wheel drive optional."
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3293
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+ "end": 1917.6,
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+ "text": " And the real difference is that we are seeing EPA ratings where the two wheel drive, whether it's front wheel drive or rear wheel drive,"
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+ "end": 1925.6,
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+ "text": " is going to have a slightly longer driving range than the, you know, assuming they're using the same size battery."
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3303
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3304
+ "end": 1929.6,
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+ "text": " It's a longer driver range for the two wheel drive version versus the all wheel drive version."
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+ "end": 1931.6,
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+ "text": " I would think to maybe, sorry, Jeff."
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3314
+ "end": 1932.6,
3315
+ "text": " No, no way."
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+ "end": 1938.6,
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+ "text": " With the front wheel drive EV, you know, on the prologue or whatever, because you can get that on all wheel drive version."
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+ "end": 1939.6,
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ "end": 1946.6,
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+ "text": " Designing it was easier to do a front wheel drive to save weight for that longer range, but it just happened the front axle was a better place to do that."
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+ "end": 1951.6,
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+ "end": 1959.6,
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+ "end": 1974.6,
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+ "end": 1979.6,
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+ "text": " But would that be a riskier instant power at the rear with an electric?"
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+ "end": 1984.6,
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+ "text": " It could be for two reasons. One, it's stability control, traction control aren't perfect."
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+ "end": 1990.6,
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+ "text": " And they're not always instantaneous. So they could be thinking, well, if they're going to feel that slight traction, be weird."
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+ "end": 1994.6,
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+ "text": " We don't want to scare people with the, oh, the rear stepped out just even for a second."
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+ "end": 2000.6,
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+ "text": " That might scare some buyers, right? So I've, man, I think that that might be part of what they're thinking."
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+ "end": 2006.6,
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+ {
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+ "end": 2007.6,
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+ "text": " Not a wheel, yeah."
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+ "end": 2011.6,
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+ "text": " Few of them every now and again are front wheeled because they made that choice."
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+ "end": 2015.6,
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+ "text": " Yeah. Well, Andy, hopefully that answers your question."
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+ "start": 2015.6,
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+ "end": 2021.6,
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+ "text": " That's going to do it for this episode. If you want to learn more about the cars and the topics we talked about, you can click on the links in the show notes."
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+ "end": 2026.6,
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+ "text": " Don't forget to send those questions, comments, 30 second video clips of talking cars at iCloud.com."
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+ },
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+ {
3408
+ "start": 2026.6,
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+ "end": 2027.6,
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+ "text": " Thanks so much, Sharon."
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+ },
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+ {
3413
+ "start": 2027.6,
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+ "end": 2030.6,
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+ "text": " That's right. Get your T-shirt, your T-shirt, your T-shirt."
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+ {
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+ "start": 2030.6,
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+ "end": 2032.6,
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+ "text": " If you have your question, it gets used."
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+ {
3423
+ "start": 2032.6,
3424
+ "end": 2036.6,
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+ "text": " Yeah, so that's going to do it for this episode. And again, thanks for watching and we'll see you all next time."
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+ "text": " It is. It's a fringe, ready?"
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+ "text": " Ready, ready?"
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+ "text": " Greenwave, thank you very much."
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+ "text": " what university for letting us eavesdrop on his work on how to stay sharp?"
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+ "end": 1776.04,
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+ {
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+ "end": 1781.56,
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+ "text": " go subscribe to it, listen more episodes, and subscribe to us if you haven't subscribed to us already."
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+ "end": 1785.6399999999999,
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+ "text": " Thanks very much for listening, and we'll see you next time."
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+ "text": " Because they're not layering in reliability."
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+ "text": " They're saying how well it did in their tests."
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+ "text": " Again, tests are important, reliability, safety issues, safety features."
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+ "text": " It's required to have a lot of the latest standard safety features, the effective ones."
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+ "text": " Yeah, I mean, as it was last year, yeah."
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+ "text": " Why are they looking for a new car? It's about safety."
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+ "text": " And today, when you're looking for a new car, you know, you ate automatic emergency braking."
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+ "text": " There's a lot of different, these features that are just, and not just that,"
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+ "text": " but ones that detect pedestrians, ones that operate at all, so highway speeds as well."
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+ "text": " These are things that just, you know, you should expect when you're riding a new car."
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+ "text": " Raising the bar."
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+ "text": " Raising the bar."
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+ "text": " Raising the safety feature."
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+ "text": " Yeah, exactly."
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+ "text": " And two."
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+ "text": " So today, rather than focusing, just literally walking through the list,"
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+ "text": " I think the more interesting part for this conversation is a little bit of the trends."
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+ "text": " So, the first one is there are so many hybrids."
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+ "text": " So, five of the 10 top picks this year are hybrid versions, mainstream models,"
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+ "text": " Corolla's Santa Fe's, Cameras, things like that."
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+ "text": " But if you even want to go a little deeper, seven of the 10 have some level of electrification."
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+ "text": " And I know, Steve, you shared, it's not just that we're testing more of them,"
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+ "text": " and there's more out there."
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+ "text": " But in our data, it talked about liability owner satisfaction,"
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+ "text": " the popularity has allowed this separation."
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+ "text": " Yeah, so this year we were able to separate out the hybrid from their just regular gas versions."
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+ "text": " In our survey as well."
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+ "text": " So we were able to calculate reliability owner satisfaction separately for a lot of these for Corolla versus Corolla hybrid, for example."
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+ "text": " And for those that we have enough sample size on, I mean, this has been incredible to be able to compare electrified versus non-electrified vehicles."
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+ "text": " And the owner satisfaction and reliability has driven these kind of over their traditional gas powered counter."
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+ "text": " Yes, definitely."
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+ "text": " Yes, definitely."
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+ "text": " Yeah, and I think of the Corolla hybrid."
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+ "text": " I don't care what boxes your priorities are other than maybe performance."
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+ "text": " But when you look at complement of safety, 48 miles per gallon, a $25,000 price tag."
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+ "text": " Right, right."
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+ "text": " And for me, 2023, all-wheel drive."
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+ "text": " I was just like, wow."
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+ "text": " That's an amazing package."
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+ "text": " That's an amazing package for 25 grand."
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+ "text": " And I think of the people I just had a conversation with friends."
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+ "text": " They would love to get a Tesla."
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+ "text": " Love to get a Tesla."
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+ "text": " But they travel again, like I do to Vermont."
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+ "text": " And they're like, and they often go to JFK."
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+ "text": " They fly, you know, internationally, and they leave a car JFK."
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+ "text": " And I said, just get a car over."
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+ "text": " That was my answer."
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+ "text": " I'm like, get your Tesla and get a Corolla for that trip."
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+ "text": " It's not quite as fun to drive as the Tesla."
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+ "text": " Not quite as fast."
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+ "text": " But again, when it comes to practicality, I mean, it just cannot be done."
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+ "text": " Some recent cost comparisons work about hybrids versus gas counter parts and EVs."
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+ "text": " Yeah, you know, it's really interesting."
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+ "text": " So this is actually, yeah, we have a whole article about this, kind of like, you know,"
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+ "text": " No."
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+ "text": " It came into my mind from time to time and I wonder what on earth happened that day."
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+ "text": " No. Not before I get answer."
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+ "text": " Yes. But I don't do nothing, I will have any solution."
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+ "text": " No."
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+ "text": " So we're in a chilly Oslo."
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+ "text": " I would say Monaco 2023 or Zambor. You would say Brazil?"
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+ "text": " I was going to say Brazil, but Zambor was mega as well. Why Monaco?"
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+ "end": 2080.0,
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+ "end": 2105.0,
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+ "end": 2112.0,
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+ "text": " If we see now 24, how things are going, top four teams, big gap to rest of the teams."
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+ "end": 2116.0,
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+ "text": " I don't think that anyone can close that gap next winter."
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+ "end": 2125.0,
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+ "text": " In 26, we start with the right foot."
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+ "text": " You talk about closing the gap. The gap is not big."
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+ "end": 2153.0,
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+ "text": " And I'm going to remind you that you were only what two tenths of poll in Montreal this year."
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+ "end": 2154.0,
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+ "text": " That's not a big gap."
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+ "end": 2155.0,
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+ "text": " That's not that."
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+ "end": 2156.0,
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+ "text": " It's not a big gap."
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+ "text": " I remember only the worst race is then."
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+ "end": 2164.0,
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+ "text": " Even in Q1, we see sometimes the first guy and the 16th is only three or four tenths."
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+ "end": 2180.0,
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+ "end": 2184.0,
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+ "end": 2190.0,
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+ "text": " And the guys at the back, we need to do everything we can in Q1 to go through."
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+ "end": 2196.0,
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+ "end": 2205.0,
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+ "end": 2211.0,
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+ {
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+ "end": 2216.0,
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+ "text": " Well, the final of the ones I'm sitting opposite seems more energized, enthusiastic."
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+ "end": 2220.0,
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+ "text": " Are you going to prolong your career now that you've got Adrian?"
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+ "end": 2222.0,
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+ "text": " I don't want to stress too much about that."
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+ "end": 2227.0,
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+ "text": " I will lie if I tell you that I didn't think about it."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2230.0,
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+ "text": " Obviously I will race 25-26."
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+ "end": 2235.0,
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+ "text": " And then in 26, I think I will see how I feel, how motivated I am."
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+ {
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+ "end": 2241.0,
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+ "text": " And I will discuss it for sure with Lawrence and with Adrian eventually."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2244.0,
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+ "text": " What will be the best for the team?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2247.0,
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+ "text": " I have a long-term commitment with Aston."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2255.0,
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+ "text": " I will be working for Aston for many years behind the wheel or in a different position."
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+ },
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+ "end": 2265.0,
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+ "text": " And as I said, because we enter in this personal adventure of working with a talent like Adrian,"
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+ {
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+ "end": 2268.0,
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+ "text": " I want to experience that behind the wheel, yes."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2280.0,
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+ "end": 2288.0,
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+ "text": " Because I will feel when I'm not ready to give something extra behind the wheel to the team."
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+ "end": 2291.0,
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+ "text": " And maybe someone else can do a better job."
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+ "end": 2294.0,
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+ {
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+ "end": 2299.0,
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+ "end": 2303.0,
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+ "text": " And when I'm not driving, I will enjoy it a little bit as well."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2307.0,
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+ "text": " What a brilliant shot. I mean, 400 races. Here's to the next 400."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2309.0,
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+ "text": " I think you're going to be around a long time."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2309.0,
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+ "end": 2312.0,
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+ "text": " Can I end this in what I call the traditional way?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2314.0,
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+ "text": " We have some quick fire questions."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2314.0,
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+ "end": 2317.0,
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+ "text": " Very quickly. What else are you good at?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2317.0,
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+ "end": 2319.0,
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+ "text": " You see not much."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2319.0,
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+ "end": 2324.0,
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+ "text": " Not many things. I would say cooking and my good chef."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2324.0,
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+ "end": 2326.0,
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+ "text": " What's your signature dish?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2326.0,
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+ "end": 2328.0,
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+ "text": " Bayella."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2328.0,
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+ "end": 2330.0,
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+ "text": " Not your seafood, bayella."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2337.0,
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+ "text": " Which racing person, dead or alive, would you like to be stuck in a lift with?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2337.0,
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+ "end": 2341.0,
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+ "text": " Erton Senna."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2341.0,
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+ "end": 2346.0,
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+ "text": " It was my idol. It was my inspiration to become a Formula One driver."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2350.0,
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+ "text": " You know, it will be probably the name that I will choose."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2350.0,
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+ "end": 2353.0,
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+ "text": " Is there one thing you'd like to ask Erton Senna?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2357.0,
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+ "text": " No, I'm normally not a person of asking too many questions."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 2359.0,
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+ "text": " I'm a good listener."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2359.0,
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+ "end": 2365.0,
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+ "text": " And I love to listen to people that I admire and learn from them."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2365.0,
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+ "end": 2368.0,
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+ "text": " Who would play you in a film?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2368.0,
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+ "end": 2373.0,
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+ "text": " No idea. Brad Pitt. Handsome one."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2373.0,
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+ "end": 2377.0,
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+ "text": " Who is the coolest person in your contacts?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2377.0,
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+ "end": 2380.0,
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+ "text": " No idea. They are all cool."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2380.0,
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+ "end": 2389.0,
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+ "text": " I have a lot of contacts in my phone, but 99% of my usage of my phone is with my family."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2389.0,
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+ "end": 2394.0,
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+ "text": " All the rest is just there, but I'm not a phone guy."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2394.0,
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+ "end": 2399.0,
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+ "text": " Now, I know you've just said you don't like to ask questions, but if this is the final question,"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2399.0,
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+ "end": 2404.0,
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+ "text": " if you had a podcast like this, who would be your first guest?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2404.0,
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+ "end": 2406.0,
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+ "text": " Max Wistartvin."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2406.0,
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+ "end": 2408.0,
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+ "text": " I'd listen to that."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2408.0,
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+ "end": 2409.0,
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+ "text": " All right."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2409.0,
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+ "end": 2411.0,
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+ "text": " And I know great to have you on. Thank you very much."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 2411.0,
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+ "end": 2412.0,
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+ "text": " Thank you."
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+ }
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+ "text": " Alright, great."
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+ "text": " it'll probably be a green and brown palm tree."
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+ "text": " If I had to get any tattoo, I would get a bat"
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+ "text": " Welcome to Grown Up Land from BBC Radio 4"
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+ "text": " with me, May Martin, Bishakai Ali, and Ned Sedwick."
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+ "text": " the man who'll put it all into perspective."
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+ "text": " Oh!"
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+ "text": " Do you have tattoos, guys?"
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+ "text": " I have zero tattoos."
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+ "text": " I'm going to sound my controversy claxon"
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+ "text": " because I'm going to have three"
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+ "text": " one of my favorite generalization grenades."
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+ "text": " I don't think tattoos on white men look good."
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+ "text": " I think they look try hard and lame."
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+ "text": " How outrageous claims."
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+ "text": " Have you seen David Beckham?"
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+ "text": " I have."
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+ "text": " No."
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+ "text": " Incorrect."
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+ "text": " Thank you."
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+ "text": " Have you ever been to Chiang Mai in Thailand?"
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+ "start": 229.0,
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+ "text": " Shut up, Ned."
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+ "text": " You know I haven't..."
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+ "text": " Chiang Mai in Thailand is a tourist resort."
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+ "start": 234.0,
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395
+ "text": " Okay."
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+ "text": " Have you ever been to Malia in Crete?"
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+ "start": 237.0,
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405
+ "text": " No."
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+ },
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+ "start": 238.0,
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+ "end": 240.0,
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+ "text": " Have you ever been to White Beefer?"
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+ "start": 240.0,
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+ "end": 243.0,
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+ "text": " Have you sexed hard in Ibiza?"
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+ },
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+ "start": 243.0,
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420
+ "text": " No."
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+ "text": " Well, when you haven't seen,"
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+ "text": " steroid it up white men with tribal tattoos,"
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+ "text": " which is probably cultural appropriation,"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 251.0,
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+ "end": 253.0,
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+ "text": " just smeared across them."
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+ },
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+ "start": 253.0,
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+ "end": 254.0,
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+ "text": " But looking like..."
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+ "start": 254.0,
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+ "text": " Smeared, mead."
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455
+ "text": " You feel like you know zero things about how tattoos are applied."
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+ "text": " So, Ned, I take it, you have no tattoos."
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+ "text": " No, I don't."
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+ "text": " but it doesn't, because I would get a tattoo straight away"
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+ "start": 271.0,
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+ "text": " if I thought I would look good."
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+ },
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+ "text": " How close do we have to be for you to get a friendship tattoo with me?"
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495
+ "text": " We haven't known each other that long, but..."
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+ "text": " I would consider it after two months, I'd say."
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+ "text": " Two more months."
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+ "text": " We're approaching, oh two more months."
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+ "text": " Yeah, I get it on my foot if that's OK."
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+ "text": " You're right."
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+ "text": " I have loads of tattoos that I regret."
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+ "text": " Some that I have about 15 tattoos."
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+ "start": 300.0,
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+ "text": " But I have loads of friendship tattoos"
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+ "start": 302.0,
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555
+ "text": " where I got the tattoo and then my friends checking out."
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+ "text": " It's like the kiss of death for a friendship, too."
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562
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+ "end": 309.0,
565
+ "text": " Are you still friends with them?"
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+ "end": 310.0,
570
+ "text": " No, not really."
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+ "end": 313.0,
575
+ "text": " Have you tried to make friends with the same name?"
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578
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579
+ "end": 315.0,
580
+ "text": " Just so you're like, well, this is going to waste otherwise."
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+ },
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+ "start": 315.0,
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+ "end": 316.0,
585
+ "text": " That's such a good idea."
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+ "text": " I'm trying to find someone called Sabrina Jelise, the very specific."
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594
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ "text": " Did you have any of their names tattooed on to you?"
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+ "text": " Yes, like I have her signature, my friend Sabrina."
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+ },
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608
+ "start": 325.0,
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+ "end": 327.0,
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+ "text": " Martin, what?"
611
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+ "end": 328.0,
615
+ "text": " I know."
616
+ },
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+ "end": 331.0,
620
+ "text": " And the problem is her signature looks exactly like..."
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623
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+ "end": 333.0,
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+ "text": " Sean John, puffed-daddies."
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+ "text": " Puffed-daddies clothing company."
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+ "end": 337.0,
635
+ "text": " So it looks like I'm just branded with Sean John."
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+ },
637
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638
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639
+ "end": 338.0,
640
+ "text": " That's amazing."
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+ },
642
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643
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+ "end": 339.0,
645
+ "text": " Why don't you have any, Pishin?"
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+ "end": 344.0,
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+ "text": " I've always been a scaredy-cat and I was raised by people who were like tattoos of a Satan."
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+ "text": " So obviously I really wanted one because I was deep into Satan."
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+ "text": " And then we were supposed to, for our anniversary last year,"
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+ "end": 362.0,
690
+ "text": " Oh, you and you and your husband?"
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694
+ "end": 363.0,
695
+ "text": " Yeah, yeah."
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+ "text": " For our one year anniversary, we used to go out and get tattoos."
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715
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+ "end": 374.0,
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+ "text": " And so he just got a tattoo of like a band."
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+ "text": " I think that was part of that story."
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730
+ "text": " You guys need to tattoo each other."
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+ "end": 379.0,
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+ "text": " That would be so cute."
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744
+ "end": 380.0,
745
+ "text": " I do not trust."
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749
+ "end": 381.0,
750
+ "text": " No."
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754
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755
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+ },
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759
+ "end": 384.0,
760
+ "text": " I could do it for you."
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+ },
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763
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+ "end": 387.0,
765
+ "text": " I've done it with a needle and a big pen."
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+ },
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+ "end": 389.0,
770
+ "text": " Wait, a needle and a bit."
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+ },
772
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774
+ "end": 390.0,
775
+ "text": " Were you in prison?"
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779
+ "end": 392.0,
780
+ "text": " No, I was at a dinner party."
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784
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785
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788
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+ "text": " What?"
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794
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+ "text": " I mean, that is an out of hand dinner."
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+ "text": " Well, and dinner party gets out of hand for me."
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+ "text": " We crack into their parents' port."
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823
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824
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+ "text": " And I debated getting the nose ring for ages."
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+ "text": " And I kept looking at photos of you Google nose rings."
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+ "end": 414.0,
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+ "text": " I kept looking at the image page."
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845
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848
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849
+ "end": 418.0,
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+ "text": " Oh, it's weird."
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854
+ "end": 419.0,
855
+ "text": " It doesn't look good."
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+ "end": 421.0,
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+ "text": " Without the face, you just said no."
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863
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864
+ "end": 422.0,
865
+ "text": " Yeah, just like tight nose shots."
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+ "text": " Tight nose shots."
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+ "end": 425.0,
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+ "text": " And I was showing it to everybody like,"
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879
+ "end": 426.0,
880
+ "text": " do you guys should get this?"
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883
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+ "end": 427.0,
885
+ "text": " Do you guys should get this?"
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+ },
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888
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889
+ "end": 429.0,
890
+ "text": " No, this looks super weird, don't get it."
891
+ },
892
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893
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894
+ "end": 430.0,
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+ "text": " But I did."
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898
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+ "end": 432.0,
900
+ "text": " Now everyone's like, I thought you always had that piercing."
901
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902
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903
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904
+ "end": 433.0,
905
+ "text": " Yeah, it suits you."
906
+ },
907
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908
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909
+ "end": 434.0,
910
+ "text": " It really suits you."
911
+ },
912
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913
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914
+ "end": 435.0,
915
+ "text": " Yeah."
916
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918
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919
+ "end": 436.0,
920
+ "text": " Thanks very much."
921
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923
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924
+ "end": 437.0,
925
+ "text": " We'll put a picture up on the website so you can all brave me."
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929
+ "end": 438.0,
930
+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ "end": 440.0,
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+ "text": " If you were to get a tattoo, what would you get?"
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+ "end": 442.0,
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+ "end": 444.0,
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+ "text": " But you're like, people will judge me."
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+ "end": 446.0,
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+ "end": 450.0,
955
+ "text": " I wanted to get some of my favourite books growing up were His Dark Materials by Philip Paulman."
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959
+ "end": 451.0,
960
+ "text": " Yes."
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963
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+ "end": 455.0,
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+ "text": " I like some kind of artwork of like the three, like of the Elifio Amateur, the Golden"
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969
+ "end": 456.0,
970
+ "text": " Kind of Dambas by glass."
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973
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974
+ "end": 457.0,
975
+ "text": " Great."
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+ "end": 458.0,
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+ "text": " That's so good."
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+ "end": 460.0,
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+ "text": " This might be the first thing we've all agreed on, by the way."
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+ "end": 462.0,
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+ "text": " We're all really into those books."
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+ "end": 463.0,
995
+ "text": " I'm going to be craving my tattoos."
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999
+ "end": 465.0,
1000
+ "text": " Yes, so good."
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+ "text": " I've always wanted to get everything important to me tattooed in one place."
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+ "end": 476.0,
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+ "text": " Can I just say I got a tattoo which was the acronym Everything in the World?"
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+ "end": 480.0,
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+ "text": " I also wanted to get everything important to me tattooed."
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1019
+ "end": 483.0,
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+ "text": " But so I got EITW for everything in the world."
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1023
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+ "end": 484.0,
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+ "text": " Is that what you mean?"
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1028
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1029
+ "end": 486.0,
1030
+ "text": " You want to get the words everything important to me?"
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1033
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1034
+ "end": 490.0,
1035
+ "text": " No, no, I want to get like literally a representation of everything."
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+ "end": 492.0,
1040
+ "text": " So again, England fat flag because..."
1041
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1043
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1044
+ "end": 493.0,
1045
+ "text": " Wait, wait, wait."
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+ "end": 494.0,
1050
+ "text": " St. George's a..."
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+ "text": " So one thing they need to do, they would get pig and rooster tattoos on the bottom of their feet"
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+ "text": " and be more likely to save it than a man where he's like, just swim, mate."
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+ "text": " Here's a fact."
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+ "text": " Hmm."
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+ "text": " I don't know if there's a true for Doug, but your skin is preyed between 50 to 3,000 times a minute when you're getting tattooed."
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ "text": " I'll just play you the clips of me freaking out."
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+ "text": " Anyway, I know most 13-year-old girls do this with no fear, but I am shitting myself."
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+ "text": " Guys, please."
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+ "text": " Okay."
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1866
+ },
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+ "text": " Alcohol perhaps."
1871
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+ "end": 1018.0,
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+ "text": " Okay."
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+ },
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+ "text": " I'm going to show you a mirror as well."
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+ },
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+ "text": " Can I have a look?"
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+ },
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+ "end": 1025.0,
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+ "text": " Okay, perfect."
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+ "end": 1031.0,
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+ "text": " I'm not usually scared of needles, but for some reason this time I'm absolutely curious."
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+ "text": " That's a pinch."
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+ },
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+ "text": " It's not really big."
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+ },
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+ "text": " It's really quick as well."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1040.0,
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+ "text": " So I'm not worse."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1042.0,
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+ "text": " Just relax."
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+ "end": 1043.0,
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+ "text": " I'll try."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1050.0,
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+ "text": " Can't feel them."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1051.0,
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+ "text": " Is them?"
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+ "end": 1053.0,
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+ "text": " Is that it?"
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1055.0,
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+ "text": " How was it?"
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+ },
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+ "end": 1056.0,
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+ "text": " It was fine."
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+ },
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+ "start": 1056.0,
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+ "end": 1063.0,
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+ "text": " Kind of, I'm intrigued to know what everyone's going to say now."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1073.0,
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+ "text": " The kind of fear of a pain has passed and now the fear of my friends seeing that saddest mate with a piercing is kind of set in."
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+ "end": 1074.0,
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+ "text": " Are you right?"
1971
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+ "end": 1075.0,
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1076.0,
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+ "text": " What's wrong with you?"
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+ },
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+ "end": 1077.0,
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+ "text": " Nothing."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1079.0,
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+ "text": " I'm just fuzzy with my nose and something."
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+ "end": 1082.0,
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+ "text": " We got it to two."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1083.0,
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+ "text": " No, no, no."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1086.0,
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+ "text": " You have it?"
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+ },
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+ "end": 1087.0,
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1088.0,
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+ "text": " Fucking hell."
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+ },
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+ "text": " You couldn't tell it from the clips, but I was actually quite like, what will my parents say? Will they judge me?"
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+ "end": 1097.0,
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+ },
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+ "end": 1098.0,
2030
+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1099.0,
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+ "text": " I feel weird having it."
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+ },
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+ "start": 1099.0,
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+ "text": " What I never realised is how much admin goes into this."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1104.0,
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+ "text": " Really?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 1104.0,
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+ "end": 1105.0,
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+ "text": " Yeah, you've got to wash it."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1108.0,
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+ "text": " I was like spraying my hair with saline solution last night."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1110.0,
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+ "text": " I mean, my gene, personal care and..."
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+ },
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2063
+ "start": 1110.0,
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+ "end": 1111.0,
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+ "text": " Yeah, but like a bloody..."
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+ },
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2068
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+ "end": 1115.0,
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+ "text": " I'm fairly hygiene, I shower once a week, it would be day."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1120.0,
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+ "text": " And I was like, they were like, yeah, don't sleep on that side of your head."
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+ },
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2078
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+ "end": 1122.0,
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+ "text": " I can't tell what side of my head I'm going to sleep on."
2081
+ },
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2083
+ "start": 1122.0,
2084
+ "end": 1123.0,
2085
+ "text": " Yeah, that's hard."
2086
+ },
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2088
+ "start": 1123.0,
2089
+ "end": 1126.0,
2090
+ "text": " Yeah, I just fall to sleep and then I twist over in my sleep."
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+ },
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2094
+ "end": 1129.0,
2095
+ "text": " How do you feel about it aesthetically?"
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+ },
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2098
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+ "end": 1131.0,
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+ "text": " I like deniering on a man."
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+ },
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2103
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+ "end": 1133.0,
2105
+ "text": " Well, thank you, mate."
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+ },
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2108
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2109
+ "end": 1137.0,
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+ "text": " I don't think you noticed I'd had it."
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+ },
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2113
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2114
+ "end": 1138.0,
2115
+ "text": " I didn't..."
2116
+ },
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2118
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+ "end": 1139.0,
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+ "text": " Oh my god, it's tiny."
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+ },
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2123
+ "start": 1139.0,
2124
+ "end": 1142.0,
2125
+ "text": " Yeah, apparently it has to be small at this stage."
2126
+ },
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2128
+ "start": 1142.0,
2129
+ "end": 1143.0,
2130
+ "text": " It really suits you, man."
2131
+ },
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2133
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2134
+ "end": 1145.0,
2135
+ "text": " Thank you very much, mate."
2136
+ },
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2138
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2139
+ "end": 1146.0,
2140
+ "text": " I don't know."
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+ },
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2143
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2144
+ "end": 1152.0,
2145
+ "text": " I'm kind of tempted to keep it in because I'm going for a new hip, cool, Ned Sedgwick aesthetic."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1153.0,
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+ "text": " Are you?"
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+ "end": 1154.0,
2155
+ "text": " Well, I'm growing a bit."
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2158
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2159
+ "end": 1155.0,
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+ "text": " Yeah, I noticed that."
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2163
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2164
+ "end": 1156.0,
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+ "text": " So, it's a struggle."
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+ },
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2168
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+ "end": 1157.0,
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+ "text": " It makes stop attempts."
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+ },
2172
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2173
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2174
+ "end": 1158.0,
2175
+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
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2178
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2179
+ "end": 1162.0,
2180
+ "text": " You've got to get over your fear of the stereotype of a white velvet tent."
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+ "end": 1166.0,
2185
+ "text": " Every week we have a guest drive."
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+ "end": 1170.0,
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+ "text": " Every week we have a guest joining us in the studio to help solve your problems that you've sent in."
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+ },
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2193
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+ "end": 1172.0,
2195
+ "text": " And joining us this week is Roxanne."
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+ "end": 1178.0,
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+ "text": " She's a rapper, a poet, a composer, generally multi-talented legend from Birmingham."
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+ },
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2203
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2204
+ "end": 1181.0,
2205
+ "text": " And Roxanne, you're a tattooed and pierced person, what do you say?"
2206
+ },
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2208
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+ "end": 1182.0,
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+ "text": " Oh, yeah."
2211
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2213
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2214
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2215
+ "text": " Yeah, definitely."
2216
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2218
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2220
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+ },
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2223
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2224
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2225
+ "text": " For the past hour, we've all been just complimenting you."
2226
+ },
2227
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2228
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+ "end": 1187.0,
2230
+ "text": " Well, no, I know."
2231
+ },
2232
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2233
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2234
+ "end": 1188.0,
2235
+ "text": " Thank you."
2236
+ },
2237
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2238
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2239
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+ "text": " The only person who hates it is my mom."
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+ },
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2243
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2244
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2245
+ "text": " Does she?"
2246
+ },
2247
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2248
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2249
+ "end": 1191.0,
2250
+ "text": " I hate him."
2251
+ },
2252
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2253
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2254
+ "end": 1192.0,
2255
+ "text": " Really?"
2256
+ },
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2258
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2264
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2270
+ "text": " Do you know what?"
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2279
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2289
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+ "text": " I have a single girl."
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+ "end": 1205.0,
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+ "end": 1206.0,
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
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+ "start": 1206.0,
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+ "text": " Everybody to escape."
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2313
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+ "end": 1214.0,
2325
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+ "end": 1220.0,
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2338
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2343
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+ "text": " I'm so tired."
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2349
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+ "text": " I mean, I always show it's like a no-go."
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+ "end": 1225.0,
2355
+ "text": " I think I'm on like 23."
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2359
+ "end": 1226.0,
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+ "text": " Oh my God."
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2363
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2364
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2368
+ "start": 1227.0,
2369
+ "end": 1228.0,
2370
+ "text": " So, you got someone in your neck, your arms."
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2373
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+ "end": 1231.0,
2375
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2380
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2383
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2384
+ "end": 1233.0,
2385
+ "text": " That's right."
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+ },
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2388
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2389
+ "end": 1235.0,
2390
+ "text": " When did you get your first one?"
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2394
+ "end": 1237.0,
2395
+ "text": " My first one was when I was 17."
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2398
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2399
+ "end": 1238.0,
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2403
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2404
+ "end": 1239.0,
2405
+ "text": " The rebellious state."
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ "text": " I think I couldn't do something."
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2423
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2424
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2425
+ "text": " So, I said, okay, when my mom lets me out, I know when I got a toe."
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2428
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+ "end": 1248.0,
2435
+ "text": " Apparently, it means, um, biracial."
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+ },
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+ "end": 1249.0,
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+ "text": " Oh."
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+ },
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2443
+ "start": 1249.0,
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+ "end": 1251.0,
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+ "text": " Just in case I didn't know I was biracial."
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2448
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2450
+ "text": " By Rachel."
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2453
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2455
+ "text": " Just in case I didn't know that when you got it."
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2458
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2459
+ "end": 1257.0,
2460
+ "text": " Well, he said that, but you know, there was 50 of them on the wall."
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2463
+ "start": 1257.0,
2464
+ "end": 1258.0,
2465
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2466
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2467
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2468
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2469
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2470
+ "text": " I don't know."
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2473
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2474
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2475
+ "text": " It could really mean chicken, chow, main."
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+ },
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2478
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2480
+ "text": " I don't know."
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2483
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2484
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2485
+ "text": " But you were before when I was saying that they've, I think they feel kind of good."
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2488
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2490
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2493
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2494
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2495
+ "text": " No."
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2498
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+ "text": " Yeah, sorry."
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2502
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2503
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2504
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2505
+ "text": " I totally disagree with you."
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2508
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2509
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2510
+ "text": " But you keep getting them."
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2512
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2513
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2514
+ "end": 1271.0,
2515
+ "text": " No."
2516
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2518
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+ "end": 1272.0,
2520
+ "text": " I know."
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+ },
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+ {
2523
+ "start": 1272.0,
2524
+ "end": 1274.0,
2525
+ "text": " I'm like one of them women that, hey, having children but keeps having them."
2526
+ },
2527
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2528
+ "start": 1274.0,
2529
+ "end": 1275.0,
2530
+ "text": " Right."
2531
+ },
2532
+ {
2533
+ "start": 1275.0,
2534
+ "end": 1279.0,
2535
+ "text": " And you've got loads of piercings as well."
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+ },
2537
+ {
2538
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2539
+ "end": 1280.0,
2540
+ "text": " Yeah."
2541
+ },
2542
+ {
2543
+ "start": 1280.0,
2544
+ "end": 1282.0,
2545
+ "text": " I've taken a look out so I don't know if you can see my ears."
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+ },
2547
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2548
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2549
+ "end": 1283.0,
2550
+ "text": " Yeah."
2551
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2552
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2553
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2554
+ "end": 1284.0,
2555
+ "text": " Really?"
2556
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2557
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2558
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2559
+ "end": 1285.0,
2560
+ "text": " Right."
2561
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2562
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2563
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2564
+ "end": 1286.0,
2565
+ "text": " And ears."
2566
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2568
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+ "end": 1287.0,
2570
+ "text": " Oh, wow."
2571
+ },
2572
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2573
+ "start": 1287.0,
2574
+ "end": 1289.0,
2575
+ "text": " Again, I've had, I've got my septum."
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2578
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2579
+ "end": 1293.0,
2580
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2583
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2585
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2589
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+ "text": " Yeah, I know."
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2615
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2653
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2654
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2655
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+ "text": " No."
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2663
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2673
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2678
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2684
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2685
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2689
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2690
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2693
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2694
+ "end": 1331.0,
2695
+ "text": " But I wasn't."
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2699
+ "end": 1332.0,
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+ "text": " I was like, oh, no."
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2703
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+ "end": 1333.0,
2705
+ "text": " I need to go."
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2708
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+ "end": 1334.0,
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+ "text": " I need to go."
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2713
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2714
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2718
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2719
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2720
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2722
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2723
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2724
+ "end": 1337.0,
2725
+ "text": " I need to go."
2726
+ },
2727
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2728
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2729
+ "end": 1338.0,
2730
+ "text": " Yeah, I got my nipple."
2731
+ },
2732
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2733
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2734
+ "end": 1339.0,
2735
+ "text": " Oh, and it came out."
2736
+ },
2737
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2738
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2739
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2740
+ "text": " It came out."
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2742
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2743
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2744
+ "end": 1341.0,
2745
+ "text": " Carnival."
2746
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2747
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2748
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2749
+ "end": 1342.0,
2750
+ "text": " Done."
2751
+ },
2752
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2753
+ "start": 1342.0,
2754
+ "end": 1343.0,
2755
+ "text": " You bob Marley."
2756
+ },
2757
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2758
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2759
+ "end": 1344.0,
2760
+ "text": " I put a string vest on."
2761
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2762
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2763
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2764
+ "end": 1345.0,
2765
+ "text": " Oh my god."
2766
+ },
2767
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2768
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2769
+ "end": 1346.0,
2770
+ "text": " Trying different colors."
2771
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2772
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2773
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2774
+ "end": 1347.0,
2775
+ "text": " And you know, you forget."
2776
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2777
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2778
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2779
+ "end": 1349.0,
2780
+ "text": " I've gone literally ripped it out."
2781
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2782
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2783
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2784
+ "end": 1350.0,
2785
+ "text": " No."
2786
+ },
2787
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2788
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2789
+ "end": 1351.0,
2790
+ "text": " Everyone in the room just grabbed that."
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2793
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2794
+ "end": 1352.0,
2795
+ "text": " So back on."
2796
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2798
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2799
+ "end": 1353.0,
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+ "text": " You just grabbed that."
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+ },
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+ "start": 1353.0,
2804
+ "end": 1354.0,
2805
+ "text": " Wow."
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2809
+ "end": 1355.0,
2810
+ "text": " Yeah."
2811
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2813
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2814
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2815
+ "text": " Hardcore."
2816
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2818
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2819
+ "end": 1360.0,
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+ "text": " We have a tattoo and career based question here that somebody sent in."
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2823
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2824
+ "end": 1362.0,
2825
+ "text": " This is from Sarah Preston, 92."
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2828
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2829
+ "end": 1366.0,
2830
+ "text": " So she says, what do you do when you're pretty sure you want a tattoo, but you're line of"
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2832
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2833
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2834
+ "end": 1371.0,
2835
+ "text": " work in brackets teacher is still an area where it's viewed as unprofessional to have visible"
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2838
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2839
+ "end": 1372.0,
2840
+ "text": " tattoos."
2841
+ },
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2843
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2844
+ "end": 1373.0,
2845
+ "text": " Ooh."
2846
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2847
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2848
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2849
+ "end": 1375.0,
2850
+ "text": " What would I do?"
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+ },
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2853
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2854
+ "end": 1381.0,
2855
+ "text": " You just say I'd say get the tattoo, but I guess you need to somehow important your career"
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2858
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2859
+ "end": 1382.0,
2860
+ "text": " and job is."
2861
+ },
2862
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2863
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2864
+ "end": 1387.0,
2865
+ "text": " I think it goes back to what Bishop was saying though about being true to yourself and getting"
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2868
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2869
+ "end": 1388.0,
2870
+ "text": " it for yourself."
2871
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2873
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2874
+ "end": 1392.0,
2875
+ "text": " I think if you're confident and you feel like you should be there."
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2878
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2879
+ "end": 1393.0,
2880
+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
2882
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2883
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2884
+ "end": 1394.0,
2885
+ "text": " It doesn't matter if you've got a tattoo."
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+ "end": 1395.0,
2890
+ "text": " It's like a block kid."
2891
+ },
2892
+ {
2893
+ "start": 1395.0,
2894
+ "end": 1396.0,
2895
+ "text": " I like it."
2896
+ },
2897
+ {
2898
+ "start": 1396.0,
2899
+ "end": 1400.0,
2900
+ "text": " Skip school detention is not for me."
2901
+ },
2902
+ {
2903
+ "start": 1400.0,
2904
+ "end": 1404.5,
2905
+ "text": " I think it depends on the person as well, the individual, because if there's a really low"
2906
+ },
2907
+ {
2908
+ "start": 1404.5,
2909
+ "end": 1408.0,
2910
+ "text": " thing stacked against you and whatever job you want to do, you don't want to."
2911
+ },
2912
+ {
2913
+ "start": 1408.0,
2914
+ "end": 1409.0,
2915
+ "text": " You consider it."
2916
+ },
2917
+ {
2918
+ "start": 1409.0,
2919
+ "end": 1411.0,
2920
+ "text": " You're like, is this going to make my promise make it harder?"
2921
+ },
2922
+ {
2923
+ "start": 1411.0,
2924
+ "end": 1413.0,
2925
+ "text": " I'd say just put it in, put on your t-shirt."
2926
+ },
2927
+ {
2928
+ "start": 1413.0,
2929
+ "end": 1414.0,
2930
+ "text": " Get it on your bum."
2931
+ },
2932
+ {
2933
+ "start": 1414.0,
2934
+ "end": 1415.0,
2935
+ "text": " Get it on your butt."
2936
+ },
2937
+ {
2938
+ "start": 1415.0,
2939
+ "end": 1417.0,
2940
+ "text": " Stephen, that's quite discriminating, no?"
2941
+ },
2942
+ {
2943
+ "start": 1417.0,
2944
+ "end": 1420.0,
2945
+ "text": " Because then I guess it's saying that it's unprofessional to have tattoos."
2946
+ },
2947
+ {
2948
+ "start": 1420.0,
2949
+ "end": 1421.0,
2950
+ "text": " Yeah."
2951
+ },
2952
+ {
2953
+ "start": 1421.0,
2954
+ "end": 1422.0,
2955
+ "text": " Yeah."
2956
+ },
2957
+ {
2958
+ "start": 1422.0,
2959
+ "end": 1423.0,
2960
+ "text": " It's going to be different though."
2961
+ },
2962
+ {
2963
+ "start": 1423.0,
2964
+ "end": 1428.0,
2965
+ "text": " I mean, our generation is we're all going to be super tattooed grandparents and stuff."
2966
+ },
2967
+ {
2968
+ "start": 1428.0,
2969
+ "end": 1429.0,
2970
+ "text": " I think it's going to be."
2971
+ },
2972
+ {
2973
+ "start": 1429.0,
2974
+ "end": 1430.0,
2975
+ "text": " You're going to do it in your own."
2976
+ },
2977
+ {
2978
+ "start": 1430.0,
2979
+ "end": 1431.0,
2980
+ "text": " That'd be great."
2981
+ },
2982
+ {
2983
+ "start": 1431.0,
2984
+ "end": 1432.0,
2985
+ "text": " Be old."
2986
+ },
2987
+ {
2988
+ "start": 1432.0,
2989
+ "end": 1433.0,
2990
+ "text": " I'm going to have nine chins with tattoos on."
2991
+ },
2992
+ {
2993
+ "start": 1433.0,
2994
+ "end": 1434.0,
2995
+ "text": " Yeah."
2996
+ },
2997
+ {
2998
+ "start": 1434.0,
2999
+ "end": 1435.0,
3000
+ "text": " I didn't know why."
3001
+ },
3002
+ {
3003
+ "start": 1435.0,
3004
+ "end": 1438.0,
3005
+ "text": " That's never been the thing that convinced me not to get tattoos."
3006
+ },
3007
+ {
3008
+ "start": 1438.0,
3009
+ "end": 1439.0,
3010
+ "text": " What are you doing in order?"
3011
+ },
3012
+ {
3013
+ "start": 1439.0,
3014
+ "end": 1441.0,
3015
+ "text": " I'm going to look back at what a legend I was when I was young."
3016
+ },
3017
+ {
3018
+ "start": 1441.0,
3019
+ "end": 1442.0,
3020
+ "text": " Yeah."
3021
+ },
3022
+ {
3023
+ "start": 1442.0,
3024
+ "end": 1446.2,
3025
+ "text": " This perfectly ties into a question, Becca sent in, which is I want to get a tattoo, but"
3026
+ },
3027
+ {
3028
+ "start": 1446.2,
3029
+ "end": 1447.2,
3030
+ "text": " my parents won't let me."
3031
+ },
3032
+ {
3033
+ "start": 1447.2,
3034
+ "end": 1450.0,
3035
+ "text": " They keep saying I should be afraid of what I look like when I'm an old woman."
3036
+ },
3037
+ {
3038
+ "start": 1450.0,
3039
+ "end": 1451.0,
3040
+ "text": " Help."
3041
+ },
3042
+ {
3043
+ "start": 1451.0,
3044
+ "end": 1453.0,
3045
+ "text": " So we've got a clip actually that relates to this."
3046
+ },
3047
+ {
3048
+ "start": 1453.0,
3049
+ "end": 1458.0,
3050
+ "text": " Brenda and Pat came in a little while ago and you don't really see people there age sort"
3051
+ },
3052
+ {
3053
+ "start": 1458.0,
3054
+ "end": 1460.0,
3055
+ "text": " of coming into a tattoo studio."
3056
+ },
3057
+ {
3058
+ "start": 1460.0,
3059
+ "end": 1461.0,
3060
+ "text": " That's 78."
3061
+ },
3062
+ {
3063
+ "start": 1461.0,
3064
+ "end": 1463.0,
3065
+ "text": " They're crazy ladies, which is great."
3066
+ },
3067
+ {
3068
+ "start": 1463.0,
3069
+ "end": 1464.0,
3070
+ "text": " It's my sort of customers."
3071
+ },
3072
+ {
3073
+ "start": 1464.0,
3074
+ "end": 1465.0,
3075
+ "text": " Right."
3076
+ },
3077
+ {
3078
+ "start": 1465.0,
3079
+ "end": 1466.0,
3080
+ "text": " Just strip off."
3081
+ },
3082
+ {
3083
+ "start": 1466.0,
3084
+ "end": 1469.0,
3085
+ "text": " You're only having it done on your shoulder, Brad."
3086
+ },
3087
+ {
3088
+ "start": 1469.0,
3089
+ "end": 1472.0,
3090
+ "text": " If you haven't got any trousers on, I'll take your trousers off."
3091
+ },
3092
+ {
3093
+ "start": 1472.0,
3094
+ "end": 1477.0,
3095
+ "text": " I'm going to have a bottle of light on my left shoulder because I've seen it on other girls."
3096
+ },
3097
+ {
3098
+ "start": 1477.0,
3099
+ "end": 1480.0,
3100
+ "text": " And I just think it's a lovely place to have it, particularly in the summer when you've"
3101
+ },
3102
+ {
3103
+ "start": 1480.0,
3104
+ "end": 1482.0,
3105
+ "text": " got low cut dresses and that."
3106
+ },
3107
+ {
3108
+ "start": 1482.0,
3109
+ "end": 1487.0,
3110
+ "text": " I know I'm getting on, but I still think it's very sexy."
3111
+ },
3112
+ {
3113
+ "start": 1487.0,
3114
+ "end": 1495.0,
3115
+ "text": " That was a clip from Saturday Live on Radio 4."
3116
+ },
3117
+ {
3118
+ "start": 1495.0,
3119
+ "end": 1496.0,
3120
+ "text": " I love Pat and Brenda."
3121
+ },
3122
+ {
3123
+ "start": 1496.0,
3124
+ "end": 1497.0,
3125
+ "text": " Yeah."
3126
+ },
3127
+ {
3128
+ "start": 1497.0,
3129
+ "end": 1499.0,
3130
+ "text": " That's a bit of a wicket, doesn't it?"
3131
+ },
3132
+ {
3133
+ "start": 1499.0,
3134
+ "end": 1501.0,
3135
+ "text": " It's like, why live with regrets?"
3136
+ },
3137
+ {
3138
+ "start": 1501.0,
3139
+ "end": 1505.0,
3140
+ "text": " And here's the thing no one says, you can always just get it removed."
3141
+ },
3142
+ {
3143
+ "start": 1505.0,
3144
+ "end": 1506.0,
3145
+ "text": " I was going to say that."
3146
+ },
3147
+ {
3148
+ "start": 1506.0,
3149
+ "end": 1507.0,
3150
+ "text": " Yeah, that's true."
3151
+ },
3152
+ {
3153
+ "start": 1507.0,
3154
+ "end": 1508.0,
3155
+ "text": " It is pretty painful."
3156
+ },
3157
+ {
3158
+ "start": 1508.0,
3159
+ "end": 1509.0,
3160
+ "text": " Yeah, a bit."
3161
+ },
3162
+ {
3163
+ "start": 1509.0,
3164
+ "end": 1510.0,
3165
+ "text": " It's just painful."
3166
+ },
3167
+ {
3168
+ "start": 1510.0,
3169
+ "end": 1511.0,
3170
+ "text": " True."
3171
+ },
3172
+ {
3173
+ "start": 1511.0,
3174
+ "end": 1514.0,
3175
+ "text": " But they freeze your skin and then they hit it with the laser and burn it off."
3176
+ },
3177
+ {
3178
+ "start": 1514.0,
3179
+ "end": 1518.0,
3180
+ "text": " One thing she could do is get like a henna tattoo, version of whatever she's going to get."
3181
+ },
3182
+ {
3183
+ "start": 1518.0,
3184
+ "end": 1519.0,
3185
+ "text": " True."
3186
+ },
3187
+ {
3188
+ "start": 1519.0,
3189
+ "end": 1522.0,
3190
+ "text": " And then like just walk around with it and be like, Mum and Dad, look at my tattoo I've got."
3191
+ },
3192
+ {
3193
+ "start": 1522.0,
3194
+ "end": 1523.0,
3195
+ "text": " That is the message that I do."
3196
+ },
3197
+ {
3198
+ "start": 1523.0,
3199
+ "end": 1524.0,
3200
+ "text": " The message that I do."
3201
+ },
3202
+ {
3203
+ "start": 1524.0,
3204
+ "end": 1527.0,
3205
+ "text": " Then she's like, oh, the world carried on existing and then go get a real one."
3206
+ },
3207
+ {
3208
+ "start": 1527.0,
3209
+ "end": 1528.0,
3210
+ "text": " That's true."
3211
+ },
3212
+ {
3213
+ "start": 1528.0,
3214
+ "end": 1529.0,
3215
+ "text": " Yeah."
3216
+ },
3217
+ {
3218
+ "start": 1529.0,
3219
+ "end": 1531.0,
3220
+ "text": " About my mum got her first tattoo when she was 40."
3221
+ },
3222
+ {
3223
+ "start": 1531.0,
3224
+ "end": 1536.0,
3225
+ "text": " I went with her and she got a life health and prosperity and Egyptian hieroglyphs."
3226
+ },
3227
+ {
3228
+ "start": 1536.0,
3229
+ "end": 1537.0,
3230
+ "text": " Yeah."
3231
+ },
3232
+ {
3233
+ "start": 1537.0,
3234
+ "end": 1538.0,
3235
+ "text": " That's awesome."
3236
+ },
3237
+ {
3238
+ "start": 1538.0,
3239
+ "end": 1544.0,
3240
+ "text": " And then when she was 40, she was like, yeah, for my 50th birthday, I'm going to get around my whole waist in elf writing."
3241
+ },
3242
+ {
3243
+ "start": 1544.0,
3244
+ "end": 1547.0,
3245
+ "text": " One ring to rule them all and in the darkness find them."
3246
+ },
3247
+ {
3248
+ "start": 1547.0,
3249
+ "end": 1548.0,
3250
+ "text": " Oh, no."
3251
+ },
3252
+ {
3253
+ "start": 1548.0,
3254
+ "end": 1549.0,
3255
+ "text": " Yeah."
3256
+ },
3257
+ {
3258
+ "start": 1549.0,
3259
+ "end": 1550.0,
3260
+ "text": " You know who he just got my mind."
3261
+ },
3262
+ {
3263
+ "start": 1550.0,
3264
+ "end": 1553.0,
3265
+ "text": " I know for everyone in the family, I was like, we didn't even know you liked Lord of the ring."
3266
+ },
3267
+ {
3268
+ "start": 1553.0,
3269
+ "end": 1555.0,
3270
+ "text": " But she never talks about it."
3271
+ },
3272
+ {
3273
+ "start": 1555.0,
3274
+ "end": 1557.0,
3275
+ "text": " This is an anonymous question."
3276
+ },
3277
+ {
3278
+ "start": 1557.0,
3279
+ "end": 1558.0,
3280
+ "text": " Exciting."
3281
+ },
3282
+ {
3283
+ "start": 1558.0,
3284
+ "end": 1562.0,
3285
+ "text": " My friend is about to get a tattoo of his girlfriend's name on his back."
3286
+ },
3287
+ {
3288
+ "start": 1562.0,
3289
+ "end": 1564.0,
3290
+ "text": " And she's doing the same."
3291
+ },
3292
+ {
3293
+ "start": 1564.0,
3294
+ "end": 1565.0,
3295
+ "text": " Is this cute and romantic?"
3296
+ },
3297
+ {
3298
+ "start": 1565.0,
3299
+ "end": 1566.0,
3300
+ "text": " Oh, I've been opinion about this."
3301
+ },
3302
+ {
3303
+ "start": 1566.0,
3304
+ "end": 1568.0,
3305
+ "text": " Is this cute and romantic?"
3306
+ },
3307
+ {
3308
+ "start": 1568.0,
3309
+ "end": 1573.0,
3310
+ "text": " Or should I warn him that the relationship might not last forever, but the tattoo will yikes."
3311
+ },
3312
+ {
3313
+ "start": 1573.0,
3314
+ "end": 1576.0,
3315
+ "text": " If only we had someone who's made the similar."
3316
+ },
3317
+ {
3318
+ "start": 1576.0,
3319
+ "end": 1577.0,
3320
+ "text": " Same."
3321
+ },
3322
+ {
3323
+ "start": 1577.0,
3324
+ "end": 1579.0,
3325
+ "text": " I've got two from relationships."
3326
+ },
3327
+ {
3328
+ "start": 1579.0,
3329
+ "end": 1580.0,
3330
+ "text": " Yeah."
3331
+ },
3332
+ {
3333
+ "start": 1580.0,
3334
+ "end": 1583.0,
3335
+ "text": " I've got a queen of hearts card on the back of my thigh."
3336
+ },
3337
+ {
3338
+ "start": 1583.0,
3339
+ "end": 1585.0,
3340
+ "text": " And the top queen is me."
3341
+ },
3342
+ {
3343
+ "start": 1585.0,
3344
+ "end": 1588.0,
3345
+ "text": " And the bottom queen was my ex girlfriend."
3346
+ },
3347
+ {
3348
+ "start": 1588.0,
3349
+ "end": 1593.0,
3350
+ "text": " And then I've also got this symbol which we've both got which is kind of a woman has loved the woman."
3351
+ },
3352
+ {
3353
+ "start": 1593.0,
3354
+ "end": 1596.0,
3355
+ "text": " And I know we're not together but to me it's memories."
3356
+ },
3357
+ {
3358
+ "start": 1596.0,
3359
+ "end": 1597.0,
3360
+ "text": " Oh, that's good."
3361
+ },
3362
+ {
3363
+ "start": 1597.0,
3364
+ "end": 1598.0,
3365
+ "text": " It sounds like you have a zen."
3366
+ },
3367
+ {
3368
+ "start": 1598.0,
3369
+ "end": 1599.0,
3370
+ "text": " It's memories."
3371
+ },
3372
+ {
3373
+ "start": 1599.0,
3374
+ "end": 1604.0,
3375
+ "text": " Yeah, I'm like, I've already squirted the other day that says, the fact that it hurts me lets me know it was real."
3376
+ },
3377
+ {
3378
+ "start": 1604.0,
3379
+ "end": 1607.0,
3380
+ "text": " So even if I look back and I think, oh, we didn't last."
3381
+ },
3382
+ {
3383
+ "start": 1607.0,
3384
+ "end": 1611.0,
3385
+ "text": " I still have the memories and the lessons that I've learned kind of things."
3386
+ },
3387
+ {
3388
+ "start": 1611.0,
3389
+ "end": 1612.0,
3390
+ "text": " That is so."
3391
+ },
3392
+ {
3393
+ "start": 1612.0,
3394
+ "end": 1614.0,
3395
+ "text": " It's not like, oh, I need to get this off me."
3396
+ },
3397
+ {
3398
+ "start": 1614.0,
3399
+ "end": 1616.0,
3400
+ "text": " It's like, no, it was a part of my life."
3401
+ },
3402
+ {
3403
+ "start": 1616.0,
3404
+ "end": 1617.0,
3405
+ "text": " Like school."
3406
+ },
3407
+ {
3408
+ "start": 1617.0,
3409
+ "end": 1618.0,
3410
+ "text": " Yeah, part of your life."
3411
+ },
3412
+ {
3413
+ "start": 1618.0,
3414
+ "end": 1621.0,
3415
+ "text": " Whether you were bullied or you were popular, it was a memory."
3416
+ },
3417
+ {
3418
+ "start": 1621.0,
3419
+ "end": 1623.0,
3420
+ "text": " But you were the most beautiful symbols."
3421
+ },
3422
+ {
3423
+ "start": 1623.0,
3424
+ "end": 1626.0,
3425
+ "text": " This was supposed to get like a full name."
3426
+ },
3427
+ {
3428
+ "start": 1626.0,
3429
+ "end": 1628.0,
3430
+ "text": " Full names are what I would not recommend."
3431
+ },
3432
+ {
3433
+ "start": 1628.0,
3434
+ "end": 1629.0,
3435
+ "text": " Do you have a full name?"
3436
+ },
3437
+ {
3438
+ "start": 1629.0,
3439
+ "end": 1635.0,
3440
+ "text": " I don't have a full name of an ex but I have that nickname that I call there and then I have friends full names."
3441
+ },
3442
+ {
3443
+ "start": 1635.0,
3444
+ "end": 1637.0,
3445
+ "text": " I would say advise against full names."
3446
+ },
3447
+ {
3448
+ "start": 1637.0,
3449
+ "end": 1638.0,
3450
+ "text": " Go with something symbolic."
3451
+ },
3452
+ {
3453
+ "start": 1638.0,
3454
+ "end": 1642.0,
3455
+ "text": " Like the Queen of Hearts thing is cool or just have a dinner party."
3456
+ },
3457
+ {
3458
+ "start": 1642.0,
3459
+ "end": 1643.0,
3460
+ "text": " Here's another question."
3461
+ },
3462
+ {
3463
+ "start": 1643.0,
3464
+ "end": 1650.0,
3465
+ "text": " This is from at imaginary really who says, I want to get a tattoo to piss off my parents but I can't decide what to get."
3466
+ },
3467
+ {
3468
+ "start": 1650.0,
3469
+ "end": 1654.0,
3470
+ "text": " Ideas for tattoos that will annoy my parents the most, please."
3471
+ },
3472
+ {
3473
+ "start": 1654.0,
3474
+ "end": 1658.0,
3475
+ "text": " So this sounds like it's time for Steve Alley's perspective."
3476
+ },
3477
+ {
3478
+ "start": 1658.0,
3479
+ "end": 1663.0,
3480
+ "text": " Steve is from Syria and he's here every week to help us with the questions that we can't crack ourselves."
3481
+ },
3482
+ {
3483
+ "start": 1663.0,
3484
+ "end": 1664.0,
3485
+ "text": " Steve?"
3486
+ },
3487
+ {
3488
+ "start": 1664.0,
3489
+ "end": 1665.0,
3490
+ "text": " Hey, imaginary really."
3491
+ },
3492
+ {
3493
+ "start": 1665.0,
3494
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+ "text": " NSA.com and you can find their press release there all right, so beer. I appreciate you man. Thanks for helping myself when I call her's out"
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+ "end": 83.19999999999999,
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+ "text": " It's like in their fifth or sixth year now, I think."
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+ },
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+ "end": 84.8,
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+ "text": " Yeah. Well, anyway, it all means"
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+ "end": 86.0,
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+ "text": " that we're coming to the end now"
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+ "end": 89.76,
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+ "text": " because the war ended on November 11, 1918."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 89.76,
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+ "end": 92.0,
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+ "text": " So this is 2018."
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+ {
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+ "start": 92.0,
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+ "end": 92.72,
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+ "text": " Here we are."
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+ },
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+ {
183
+ "start": 92.72,
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+ "end": 94.08,
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+ "text": " So at the end of this episode, you'll"
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+ },
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+ {
188
+ "start": 94.08,
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+ "end": 96.56,
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+ "text": " get to hear an interview that I did with the lead writer"
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+ },
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+ {
193
+ "start": 96.56,
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+ "end": 98.4,
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+ "text": " for the season and the editor of the whole series."
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+ },
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+ {
198
+ "start": 98.4,
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+ "end": 99.2,
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+ "text": " It's a good chat."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 99.2,
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+ "end": 99.92,
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+ "text": " So stick around."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 99.92,
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+ "end": 103.68,
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+ "text": " Here it is, episode one of the last season of Homefront."
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+ },
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+ {
213
+ "start": 104.08000000000001,
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+ "end": 110.08000000000001,
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+ "text": " The 24th of September, 1918."
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+ "text": " Adam Wilson."
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+ },
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+ "text": " Adam? Adam?"
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+ },
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+ "end": 120.08000000000001,
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+ "text": " Oh, morning, Jesse."
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+ },
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+ {
233
+ "start": 120.08000000000001,
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+ "end": 122.08000000000001,
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+ "text": " Are you just going to walk past without saying hello?"
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+ },
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+ {
238
+ "start": 122.08000000000001,
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+ "end": 124.08000000000001,
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+ "text": " No. Sorry."
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+ },
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+ {
243
+ "start": 124.08000000000001,
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+ "end": 126.08000000000001,
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+ "text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel."
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+ },
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+ "end": 128.08,
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+ "text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 128.08,
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+ "end": 130.08,
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+ "text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel."
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+ },
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+ "end": 132.08,
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+ "text": " I'm going to go back to the hotel."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 132.08,
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+ "end": 134.0,
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+ "text": " No. Sorry."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 134.0,
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+ "end": 135.04000000000002,
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+ "text": " What have you done with Jack?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 135.04000000000002,
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+ "end": 136.48000000000002,
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+ "text": " What do you mean? What have I done with him?"
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+ },
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+ "end": 137.48000000000002,
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+ "text": " I haven't done anything."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 139.04000000000002,
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+ "text": " You're out here with them too, willing, Jack."
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+ },
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+ "end": 139.88000000000002,
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+ "text": " Oh, I see."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 139.88000000000002,
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+ "end": 141.36,
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+ "text": " I see what you mean. He's got an interview."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "end": 142.88000000000002,
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+ "text": " He did say anything to breakfast."
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+ },
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+ "text": " I shouldn't have either."
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+ },
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+ "text": " He didn't want anyone to know in case they turned him down."
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+ },
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+ "start": 146.52,
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+ "end": 147.28,
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+ "text": " What's the job?"
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 147.28,
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+ "end": 148.36,
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+ "text": " I've already said too much."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 148.36,
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+ "end": 149.20000000000002,
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+ "text": " Clarke."
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+ },
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+ {
328
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+ "end": 150.04000000000002,
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+ "text": " How do you know?"
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+ },
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+ {
333
+ "start": 150.04000000000002,
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+ "end": 151.88000000000002,
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+ "text": " You're waiting for my side to town hall."
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+ },
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+ "end": 154.32000000000002,
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+ "text": " I don't suppose he's planning to be a counselor or the mayor."
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+ },
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+ "text": " Please don't say I told you."
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+ "text": " I won't."
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+ "text": " Because she didn't."
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+ "text": " I still doesn't explain what the chair's empty."
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+ "text": " He managed to do the last bit with sticks."
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+ "text": " He was worried that if they saw him with the chair,"
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+ "end": 164.44,
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+ "text": " it would put the muffin pouring in."
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+ "text": " Everyone seems to be fallin' over themselves"
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+ "text": " Doesn't mean that they can just walk into any job."
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+ "end": 225.0,
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+ "text": " Yeah."
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598
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633
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638
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698
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+ "text": " What?"
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723
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+ "text": " Right."
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733
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+ "end": 265.52,
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+ "text": " Yeah, right."
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738
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+ "text": " What's happened?"
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+ "text": " The onwards burst into flames."
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878
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883
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884
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888
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889
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900
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901
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903
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1280
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1284
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1285
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1288
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1293
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1303
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1323
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1324
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1327
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1328
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1329
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1330
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1332
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1333
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1334
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1337
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1338
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1339
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1343
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1344
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1348
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1368
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1373
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1393
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1408
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1410
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1413
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1418
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1423
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+ },
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1428
+ "start": 459.8,
1429
+ "end": 460.8,
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+ "text": " What?"
1431
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1432
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1433
+ "start": 460.8,
1434
+ "end": 461.8,
1435
+ "text": " What?"
1436
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1437
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1438
+ "start": 461.8,
1439
+ "end": 462.8,
1440
+ "text": " What?"
1441
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1443
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+ "end": 463.8,
1445
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+ },
1447
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1448
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1449
+ "end": 464.8,
1450
+ "text": " What?"
1451
+ },
1452
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1453
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1454
+ "end": 465.8,
1455
+ "text": " Let me have a go."
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1458
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1459
+ "end": 466.8,
1460
+ "text": " All right."
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1462
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1463
+ "start": 466.8,
1464
+ "end": 467.8,
1465
+ "text": " Again."
1466
+ },
1467
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1468
+ "start": 467.8,
1469
+ "end": 468.8,
1470
+ "text": " One more."
1471
+ },
1472
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1473
+ "start": 468.8,
1474
+ "end": 469.8,
1475
+ "text": " One more."
1476
+ },
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1478
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1479
+ "end": 470.8,
1480
+ "text": " One more."
1481
+ },
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1483
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1484
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1485
+ "text": " Just one more."
1486
+ },
1487
+ {
1488
+ "start": 472.8,
1489
+ "end": 473.8,
1490
+ "text": " Oh."
1491
+ },
1492
+ {
1493
+ "start": 473.8,
1494
+ "end": 474.8,
1495
+ "text": " Oh."
1496
+ },
1497
+ {
1498
+ "start": 474.8,
1499
+ "end": 475.8,
1500
+ "text": " Oh."
1501
+ },
1502
+ {
1503
+ "start": 475.8,
1504
+ "end": 476.8,
1505
+ "text": " Oh."
1506
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1524
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+ "text": " Oh."
1531
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1534
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+ "text": " Oh."
1536
+ },
1537
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1538
+ "start": 482.8,
1539
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1540
+ "text": " Oh."
1541
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1542
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1543
+ "start": 483.8,
1544
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+ "text": " Oh."
1546
+ },
1547
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1549
+ "end": 485.8,
1550
+ "text": " Well done, son."
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1553
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1554
+ "end": 486.8,
1555
+ "text": " Well done."
1556
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+ "end": 488.8,
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+ "text": " I thought we were both gone."
1571
+ },
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1576
+ },
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+ "end": 493.8,
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+ "text": " Don't start something."
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1583
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+ "text": " You can't finish."
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+ "text": " Oh."
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+ },
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1593
+ "start": 495.8,
1594
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1604
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1625
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+ "text": " We did it."
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+ "text": " We did."
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+ "end": 509.8,
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+ "text": " What am I thinking?"
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1654
+ "end": 512.8,
1655
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+ },
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+ "end": 515.8,
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+ "text": " You stay here and get your breath back while we do that."
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+ "text": " You and I are going nowhere until we've had a nice strong cup of tea."
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+ "text": " And when we've finished, I walk back with you."
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1684
+ "end": 525.8,
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+ "text": " What happened?"
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+ "end": 534.8,
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+ "text": " Oh, there you are."
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+ "text": " I'm so sorry, Mr. Marx."
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+ "text": " And you bring the law with you, Karl."
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+ "end": 546.8,
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+ "text": " What have you done?"
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1730
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+ "text": " Don't want that, I'm telling you."
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+ "end": 563.8,
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1755
+ "text": " So that was a commotion I couldn't look up."
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1769
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+ "text": " What?"
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1774
+ "end": 579.8,
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1779
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1780
+ "text": " Show him."
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+ "text": " Show him the chisel."
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+ "end": 584.8,
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+ "text": " I'm afraid the handle took quite a pattern from the hammer blow."
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+ "text": " It was the only way to cut the cable."
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+ "text": " Let me see though."
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1824
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+ "text": " I'm sorry."
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+ "text": " You can take it out my wages."
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+ "text": " I'll tell you what I'm going to do."
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+ },
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+ "end": 607.8,
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+ "text": " I'm going to put it in a glass cabinet with a plaque with your name on."
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+ "end": 608.8,
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+ "text": " Oh, I almost forgot."
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+ "end": 609.8,
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+ "text": " Here's your fish."
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+ "text": " They gave it to me for free."
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+ "text": " And here's your money."
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+ "text": " You keep it, Adam."
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+ "text": " And the fish."
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+ "text": " And take the rest of the day off."
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+ "end": 617.8,
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+ "text": " Really?"
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+ "end": 618.8,
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+ "text": " Yes."
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+ "end": 619.8,
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+ "text": " Really."
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+ "end": 620.8,
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+ "text": " One more thing."
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+ "end": 622.8,
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+ "text": " Well, let me..."
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+ },
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+ "start": 622.8,
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+ "end": 624.8,
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+ "text": " Straight up your hand."
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+ "end": 627.8,
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+ "text": " I'll say this for him."
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+ },
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+ "start": 627.8,
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+ "end": 629.8,
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+ "text": " He might be German, but he's fair."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 629.8,
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+ "end": 630.8,
1925
+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ },
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+ "start": 630.8,
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+ "end": 631.8,
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+ "text": " I know."
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+ },
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+ "start": 631.8,
1934
+ "end": 634.8,
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+ "text": " And you're allowed to take a moment to be proud of yourself."
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+ },
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+ "start": 634.8,
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+ "end": 635.8,
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+ "text": " Pride is a sin."
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+ },
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+ {
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+ "start": 635.8,
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+ "end": 638.8,
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+ "text": " Well, ever knows, I'm no vicar, but I think that means boastfulness."
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+ },
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+ "start": 638.8,
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+ "end": 642.8,
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+ "text": " What you did today is as brave as any act on a battlefield."
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+ },
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+ "start": 642.8,
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+ "end": 644.8,
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+ "text": " So you're allowed to be proud."
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+ },
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+ "start": 644.8,
1959
+ "end": 645.8,
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+ "text": " Prouder."
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+ },
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+ "start": 645.8,
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+ "end": 648.8,
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+ "text": " Because instead of taking life, you saved life."
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+ },
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1968
+ "start": 648.8,
1969
+ "end": 649.8,
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+ "text": " Hardly."
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+ },
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+ "start": 649.8,
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+ "end": 651.8,
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+ "text": " I hope you don't mind me saying this."
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+ },
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+ "end": 653.8,
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+ "text": " But it seemed to say you didn't care."
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+ },
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+ "end": 655.8,
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+ "text": " I wouldn't have done it if I didn't care."
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+ },
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1988
+ "start": 655.8,
1989
+ "end": 657.8,
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+ "text": " Now, I'm not talking about the train or a pier."
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+ },
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1993
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+ "end": 659.8,
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+ "text": " It was as if you didn't care about yourself."
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+ },
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+ "end": 662.8,
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+ "text": " The way you ignored me and rushed forward regardless."
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+ },
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+ {
2003
+ "start": 662.8,
2004
+ "end": 664.8,
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+ "text": " I hope you look at her recipe for that."
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+ },
2007
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2008
+ "start": 664.8,
2009
+ "end": 665.8,
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+ "text": " Of course not."
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+ },
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+ {
2013
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2014
+ "end": 669.8,
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+ "text": " I'm just thinking it must be hard for you with your father away fighting."
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+ },
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+ {
2018
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+ "end": 671.8,
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+ "text": " No harder than it is for anyone else."
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+ },
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+ {
2023
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+ "end": 672.8,
2025
+ "text": " Wait till Albert is about this."
2026
+ },
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2028
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+ "end": 674.8,
2030
+ "text": " I don't want to worry him."
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+ },
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2033
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2034
+ "end": 676.8,
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+ "text": " Besides, be far deeured from him."
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+ },
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+ {
2038
+ "start": 676.8,
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+ "end": 678.8,
2040
+ "text": " Not much of a letter, right?"
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+ },
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2043
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2044
+ "end": 680.8,
2045
+ "text": " I think you might be working behind the lines."
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+ },
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2048
+ "start": 680.8,
2049
+ "end": 681.8,
2050
+ "text": " Do them all."
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+ },
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2053
+ "start": 681.8,
2054
+ "end": 682.8,
2055
+ "text": " I don't know."
2056
+ },
2057
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2058
+ "start": 682.8,
2059
+ "end": 683.8,
2060
+ "text": " Probably something heroic."
2061
+ },
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2063
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2064
+ "end": 685.8,
2065
+ "text": " The winner's a war."
2066
+ },
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2068
+ "start": 685.8,
2069
+ "end": 686.8,
2070
+ "text": " Father like son, eh?"
2071
+ },
2072
+ {
2073
+ "start": 686.8,
2074
+ "end": 687.8,
2075
+ "text": " Oh, well, look."
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+ },
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+ {
2078
+ "start": 687.8,
2079
+ "end": 689.8,
2080
+ "text": " He's your Jack with Jessie."
2081
+ },
2082
+ {
2083
+ "start": 689.8,
2084
+ "end": 690.8,
2085
+ "text": " Wait till she is."
2086
+ },
2087
+ {
2088
+ "start": 690.8,
2089
+ "end": 692.8,
2090
+ "text": " Hello Sergeant Harris."
2091
+ },
2092
+ {
2093
+ "start": 692.8,
2094
+ "end": 694.8,
2095
+ "text": " Adam, how are you?"
2096
+ },
2097
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2098
+ "start": 694.8,
2099
+ "end": 696.8,
2100
+ "text": " Well, it's been quite a morning, one way or another."
2101
+ },
2102
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2103
+ "start": 696.8,
2104
+ "end": 698.8,
2105
+ "text": " Adam, how did he go, Jack?"
2106
+ },
2107
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2108
+ "start": 698.8,
2109
+ "end": 699.8,
2110
+ "text": " Did you get the job?"
2111
+ },
2112
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2113
+ "start": 699.8,
2114
+ "end": 700.8,
2115
+ "text": " No."
2116
+ },
2117
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2118
+ "start": 700.8,
2119
+ "end": 702.8,
2120
+ "text": " I asked you not to say anything."
2121
+ },
2122
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2123
+ "start": 702.8,
2124
+ "end": 703.8,
2125
+ "text": " Sorry."
2126
+ },
2127
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2128
+ "start": 703.8,
2129
+ "end": 704.8,
2130
+ "text": " That was the last thing I said to you."
2131
+ },
2132
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2133
+ "start": 704.8,
2134
+ "end": 705.8,
2135
+ "text": " I said, don't say anything."
2136
+ },
2137
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2138
+ "start": 705.8,
2139
+ "end": 706.8,
2140
+ "text": " I said, don't get it."
2141
+ },
2142
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2143
+ "start": 706.8,
2144
+ "end": 707.8,
2145
+ "text": " I know. I'm sorry."
2146
+ },
2147
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2148
+ "start": 707.8,
2149
+ "end": 708.8,
2150
+ "text": " She didn't tell me, Jack."
2151
+ },
2152
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2153
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2154
+ "end": 709.8,
2155
+ "text": " I guessed."
2156
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2158
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2159
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+ "text": " We bumped into Arthur Hall and Ted Dolby."
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+ "text": " Yeah, definitely."
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+ "text": " So the name of this boat that explodes the onward."
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2925
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2948
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2949
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2950
+ "text": " or would you say, no, go back, go back to episode one?"
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2953
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2956
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2958
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2959
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+ "text": " Okay."
2961
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2962
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2963
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2966
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2968
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+ "end": 1194.8,
2970
+ "text": " You can basically randomly listen until you find something that it's here."
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2973
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2974
+ "end": 1195.8,
2975
+ "text": " Right, okay."
2976
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2978
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2984
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2985
+ "text": " So that was an incredibly useful decision made really early on."
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+ "end": 1208.8,
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+ "text": " I think it was actually your daughter's idea."
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+ "end": 1209.8,
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3004
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3005
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3010
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3015
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3018
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3019
+ "end": 1228.8,
3020
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+ "end": 1230.8,
3025
+ "text": " They were important to be peripheral in those scenes,"
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3028
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3029
+ "end": 1232.8,
3030
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3033
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3034
+ "end": 1238.8,
3035
+ "text": " But it was a great rule actually for each time you felt like you were writing a self-contained play."
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3038
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3039
+ "end": 1242.8,
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3044
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3045
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3048
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3049
+ "end": 1251.8,
3050
+ "text": " because on any given day you could sit down with Alice or Kitty or Gabriel"
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3054
+ "end": 1253.8,
3055
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3058
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3059
+ "end": 1255.8,
3060
+ "text": " I'll just tell you this story."
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3063
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+ "end": 1257.8,
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+ "text": " These are your actors."
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+ "end": 1259.8,
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+ "text": " These are the characters."
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3073
+ "start": 1259.8,
3074
+ "end": 1261.8,
3075
+ "text": " The character names are good, sorry."
3076
+ },
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3078
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3079
+ "end": 1263.8,
3080
+ "text": " I'm just chucking those names out there."
3081
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3083
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3084
+ "end": 1267.8,
3085
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3088
+ "start": 1267.8,
3089
+ "end": 1271.8,
3090
+ "text": " And it was a nice puzzle actually, a nice maths puzzle trying to work out how you could tell."
3091
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3092
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3093
+ "start": 1271.8,
3094
+ "end": 1275.8,
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3098
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3099
+ "end": 1278.8,
3100
+ "text": " without any regard for who they would be told through."
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3103
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3104
+ "end": 1282.8,
3105
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3108
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3109
+ "end": 1284.8,
3110
+ "text": " or however many you were writing."
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3113
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3114
+ "end": 1286.8,
3115
+ "text": " But there must be a kind of a wild way to write,"
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3118
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+ "end": 1290.8,
3120
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3123
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3124
+ "end": 1296.8,
3125
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3128
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3129
+ "end": 1298.8,
3130
+ "text": " But you're saying it doesn't really work like that."
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3133
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3134
+ "end": 1300.8,
3135
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3138
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3139
+ "end": 1306.8,
3140
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3143
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3144
+ "end": 1310.8,
3145
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3148
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3149
+ "end": 1316.8,
3150
+ "text": " And the other thing which I think is really great about it is you can change the tone from day to day"
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3153
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3154
+ "end": 1318.8,
3155
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3158
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3159
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3160
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3163
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3164
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3165
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3168
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3169
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3170
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3173
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3174
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3175
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3178
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3179
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3180
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3183
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3184
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3185
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3188
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3189
+ "end": 1344.8,
3190
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3193
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3194
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3195
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3199
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3203
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3204
+ "end": 1354.8,
3205
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3208
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3209
+ "end": 1358.8,
3210
+ "text": " But to begin with, it's not frightening."
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3213
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3214
+ "end": 1368.8,
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3216
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3218
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3219
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3220
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3223
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3224
+ "end": 1376.8,
3225
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3227
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3228
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3229
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3230
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3231
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3232
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3233
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3234
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3238
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3243
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3244
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3245
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3248
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3249
+ "end": 1400.8,
3250
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3253
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+ "end": 1404.8,
3255
+ "text": " And the team is quite ridiculously funny altogether."
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3258
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3259
+ "end": 1410.8,
3260
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3263
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3265
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3268
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3269
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3270
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3273
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3274
+ "end": 1424.8,
3275
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3276
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3278
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3279
+ "end": 1426.8,
3280
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3283
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3284
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3285
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3288
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3289
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3290
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3293
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3294
+ "end": 1434.8,
3295
+ "text": " I know it really is over now."
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3298
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3299
+ "end": 1436.8,
3300
+ "text": " And it was like that all summer long ago."
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3303
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3304
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3305
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3308
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3309
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3310
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3313
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3314
+ "end": 1444.8,
3315
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3318
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3319
+ "end": 1450.8,
3320
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3323
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3324
+ "end": 1458.8,
3325
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3328
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3329
+ "end": 1460.8,
3330
+ "text": " Yeah."
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+ "end": 1464.8,
3335
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3338
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3340
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3343
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3344
+ "end": 1478.8,
3345
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3348
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+ "end": 1482.8,
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+ "text": " Mr. Blair, who do you vote for?"
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