diy/2574237.txt

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Does anyone have an indoor mushroom farm? What has your experience been like? Any tips for a beginner?
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>>2574237 (OP)
It doesn't take much room.
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Nice try DEA
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The big mushroom farm in my area had so much shit piled up that the manure fumes killed a worker. What a way to go
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>>2574237 (OP)
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>>2574237 (OP)
i grew some oysters once
i didnt harvest fast enough and it got rancid
threw it in the neighbors yard
make sure you have a harvest schedule
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>>2574237 (OP)
I heard of a guy turning a shipping container into a mushroom farm.
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>>2574270
>threw it in the neighbors yard
why would you do that
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>>2574237 (OP)
When first inoculating your growth medium with spores sterilise everything to stop contamination. Make an airtight isolation box with holes cut out for rubber gloves that are taped to box like you'd see in a virology lab. It may sound like overkill but having a sterile environment is absolutely paramount. 
Bake your jars filled with growth medium, usually oatmeal, in the oven on a medium heat to kill pathogens and transfer to disinfected box whilst still hot. 
Despite all your efforts expect a few failures with contamination, if it looks wrong just throw it out
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>>2574294
because im not a good person
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>>2574240
shrigmarlooooooooooooossss
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>>2574323
anon you can embiggen your spirit and become a more cromulent person
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yeah I do
--- 2574673
Don't listen to the still air box retards. They insist that the sab will magically sterilize everything and when you confront them with proof it doesn't they just say "im not a microbiologist" 

What you actually need to do is buy either a pressure cooker or pressure canner. 

get alot of jars a aluminum hole punch and self sealing injection ports + micropore tape + high temp red food grade gasket. 

Seal the port with gasket and use the punch for a micropore taped hole (to relieve pressure while keeing jar clean.) 

I'll keep going if you want.
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>>2574673
Please do keep going
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>>2574280
I’m just starting out but I think this would be a good place to get to. I live in a port city so there are so many abandoned shipping containers and I have the property for it.
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>>2574312
Any other tips for reducing contaminants indoors? Should I have an air filter running in the room?
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>>2574854
You can build a laminar flow bench. The air is filtered and blowing clean air towards you with the idea being it keeps shit from settling through the air onto whatever you are working on. Read Stamets for more information than you'll know what to do with. If you wanted to rag it you could low temp pasteurize or even make a high ph anoxic soak that's good enough for something low in nutrients like straw. Oysters love that shit. Cold water and lime will do the trick.
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>>2574673
No one uses a still air box in place of a pressure cooker, they use it in place of a flow hood. Still air boxes work perfectly fine, and I say this as someone who owns a farm and 4 flow hoods. 

>>2574280
get the insulated ones with built in temp control imo.
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>>2574245
Imagine le smell
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>>2574237 (OP)
buy a grow your own kit and try it out, then imagine having 500 of them
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>>2575823
How long have you owned the farm? How did you get started? I’m thinking to start out I could just sell small boxes of mushrooms on Marketplace.
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>>2574245
Was it this anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4-G08myaz4 [Embed]

>Worker goes to investigate stinky clogged pipe
>Worker falls unconscious, other workers come to help
>2 more workers pass out and die from inhaling shit gas
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>>2576051
Yep. Poor bastards. Death by jenkem
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>>2576051
I read about a family that died the same way, except from potato fumes in an underground root cellar. Like dominoes, they fell one by one, and only a daughter survived.
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>>2574848
just download and watch lets grow mushrooms instead of listening to someone else regurgitate it wrong on 4chan
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>>2574237 (OP)
I heard mushroom isn't that nutritious ?
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>>2576412
correct, they're just for flavor
oysters are the easiest to grow and taste the worst. shiitake or bust
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>>2574323
laughed out loud
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>>2576383
I seen that, too.
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>>2576412
they’re the only source of vitamin d in the produce isle.
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>>2576024
I’ve grown for about 10 years, began selling gourmets about 3 years ago.
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>>2576024
I got started growing cubes, and ever since had always wanted to sell gourmets. Eventually I cleaned out my moms shed and started in there, then convinced my friend to let me use his shop space. Now I grow for a farm onsite. I produce fruiting blocks for them, and buy back fruits for the markets and my own customers. Later this year I hope to get more wholesale clients like that.
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How much do you guys make selling them? I’ve seen some people
Sell to restaurants and get a good profit? Should I invest?
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>>2574237 (OP)
Go to the Shroomery forum for all the information you would ever need and more. One of the main guys has a topless picture of a anthro rabbit girl but thats how you know you can trust him 
https://www.shroomery.org
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>>2574237 (OP)
We have the start of a FAQ
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki//myco/_-_FAQ
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>>2574237 (OP)
low tech hobby grower here, I grow oysters from tissue i cloned using the tea/coffee waste i produce each week as substrate. 

I recommend buying a kit if you know nothing about mycology. If you know the basics and what to diy then I would go with a variety that grows aggressively like oyster or king oyster. 

And always sanitize anthing
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>>2578336
How do you sanitize coffe waste? I can get hold of ca. 2 kg coffee grounds every working day, and I have been thinking about growing mushrooms.
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>>2578416
Also wondering this. I collect a decent amount of coffee grinds and I know that once they’re used, they have like 24 hours or so before they’re considered contaminated? Wondering what’s the best way to store them and how do you sanitize them again before you use them for growing.
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>>2578416
>>2578756
Freeze them fresh until needed then sanitize them in a pressure cooker or the oven at a pinch.
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>>2578907
>>2578416
>>2578336
Do you just use grounds, or do you include paperwaste like filters and bags as well? 

Just curious, I'm looking into mulching paper/cardboard as a substrate for some strains of mushroom, probably shiitake
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>>2578907
I don't have a pressure cooker. Would 200 C in an over be enough?
Moist coffe grounds is a breeding grounbd for all kinds of fungi, I have seen blue, pink and green stuff form over the surface.
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>>2578915
Use it all as long as the amount of non coffee grounds is not excessive, just stick it in a blender and chop it all up
>>2579044
The problem is that in the oven the max temperature moist coffee grounds can get to is 100c until all the water is evaporated, not enough to kill some spores. 
You could bake them at a low heat say 120c for a few hours to ensure all the moisture is gone and everything is dead
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Does anyone have any suggestions for what to do with a fruiting block after it’s been used?
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>>2579367
From what I can see, you can mulch it and use it in your garden. If you use coffee grounds, you can spread that over your lawn to keep slugs such as Spanish slug, away. I have done that for years and my garden is the only one around here without any slugs.
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>>2577489
12-20/lb. I sell fruiting blocks to farms though mostly.
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>>2578416
>>2578756
>>2578915
>>2579044
>>2579108
Just take some oyster butts and lightly cover them with freshly used but cooled coffee grounds. Once colonized, sprinkle more on. Continue until you have enough. The key is to not add so much that competing molds can germinate and take over before the oyster can colonize it.
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Does anyone have any book recommendations for learning how to properly farm mushrooms? Or anything else mushroom-relevant? I’m reading the Tradd Cotter book right now
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>>2579733
Cotter's probably the most recent, there aren't really good books for it. What do you want to know exactly?
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>>2579733
samefag as above, provided you know the basics the issues are only in scaling properly. big farms use tilt kettles for cooking large volumes of grain and huge autoclaves. some even have automation for bagging, folding and loading. steam sterilization of substrate tends to be pressurized at bigger farms for greater throughput as well, and they obviously have some basic automation for bagging at minimum. cleanliness and positive pressure matter much more at scale too, where a bad batch or even bag can mean hundreds or thousands of dollars down the drain. 

my process of scaling has been a shitty ghetto lab (no positive pressure, homemade hood) with a drum sterilizer, to a positive pressure lab, a trough steamer than a roll-through walk-in steamer kind of like a walk-in cooler. electrical bottlenecks have been the biggest issue so far, you need so many watts to heat so much substrate to temp in a timely manner. building the autobagger was super easy too. im trying to set myself up to be a spawn and fruiting block supplier on the west coast personally. farms already have huge networks of wholesale, CSA and retail customers, i don't need to compete with their networks and do retail offering only one type of produce when i can instead wholesale to farmers who already fruit and sell mushrooms but just don't want to invest the capital and time into preparing spawn and blocks.
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i also only buy top of the line equipment for mission critical stuff at this point too, all my hoods are whisper flow brand and i have about 6 electric AA autoclaves for running grain. i can answer what you want within my abilities, but really you should just dial in how to grow and you'll naturally begin to stress your electrical panel over time and figure things out, provided you can sell them. i've always made sure everything i move is top knotch and cheap, which is the only way i've landed any big customers (who have a ton of complaints from previous suppliers). having a repertoire of genetics to meet various needs is helpful too, some clients want huge pom-pom lions mane, others want multi-clustered ones, for example. 

i intend to get into cordyceps this year too.
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>>2579732
This might sound silly, but I'm more interested in growing shiitake mushrooms. 

Any suggestions or resources? I feel like I've read a bunch of junk data, but have no clear "how to" guide. 

Also, are coffee grounds a worthwhile thing to scale up (mixed with, say, sawdust), or are they just a convenient way to get a small amount of freshly boiled, acceptable substrate on the super cheap?
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>>2579732
I don't have oyster butts but I might get hold of oyster mushrooms in a shop. Would it be possible to extract spores from these and add this to coffee grounds and get a colony going?
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I want to try this, but I'm afraid of poisoning myself. I've never gardened in my life. How do I know I'm not growing some random toxic mold?
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>>2579950
I grow shiitake on logs in my back yard. Easy to do. Was kind of a pain to source the wood. They fruit during the summer. I don't do much other than tilt them off the ground in the summer and pile them in the winter.
I think I'll try some other species of I find time this year.
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>>2580101
How many years of harvest will a log give you? And why is sourcing wood a problem?
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>>2580136
All the loggers and woods guys are unorganized alcoholics or too busy. Plus some autism on my part.

The logs last years. The bigger the log the longer they last but the harder to manhandle around and an increased chance of the inoculation not taking.
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>>2580150
there is an area here that is cleared every 5 years, and the logs are left in a pile in a humid place. This might be a good place for some guerilla mushroom farming. Will any kind of wood work?
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>>2580075
Get a simple home growing kit. Look for a pre-made fruiting block of whichever kind of mushroom you’re looking to grow. I just got oysters and Lion’s mane blocks. I watched some videos by Freshcap Mushrooms and it helped a lot.
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>>2579891
Are you at a point where you’re profitable? Do you have any contracts secured with farmers? 

Seems like you’ve got a good thing going on though. What are your most common fruiting blocks that you make? Do you have any experience with more high end mushrooms like morels?
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>>2580174
Pretty much anything but pine. But it's really easy to look up what's optimal. 
Paul stametes book is my preferred reference
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>>2579733
>>2580300
Are there any other sources of information on the net that we can add to the FAQ?
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Man I was so hyped on this but you need to sterilize everything to the max like it's a fucking top tier lab, not worth all the labor then.
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Out of 6 baggies prepared with cooked straw and oyster mycelium, only 1 colonized.
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>>2580101
Could you stack some logs in the shower and do this? Shower once a day should be enough moisture?
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>>2580923
Just do the best you can and accept that you’ll have a 50% success rate not 95%

Oyster mushrooms are cheap anyway
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>>2580927
People usually just dunk them in a bucket or barrel. Me personally. I don't do anything other than keep them in the shade. 
Actually I think during the drought I'd throw a bucket of water on them if I was doing stuff on the back yard anyways.
>>2580923
Try oyster they're aggressive enough that you can pretty slapdash
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>>2580923
I promise, you really don't.
Better you are about it, better your success rate will be. Some varieties are more temperamental than others.
Even with a shit-tier setup you can be an mushroom farmer.
Humans had been actively cultivating mushrooms for thousands of years before the concept of hand-washing became a thing.
>top-tier lab
Shit-smeared peasants in mud huts did it, you've got access to things like rubber gloves, disposable face masks, hot water, plastic totes, cheap sterile implements from China, a variety of humidifiers, desktop-sized space heaters, mason jars, RTV silicone, big cheap bags of birdseed and corn, distilled water, wood pellets, bleach in convenient pre-moistened towelette form, and even grow kits that make it mind-numbingly easy to pump out a crop and get a taste for the hobby without having to do the only part that requires effort.

Do not get deterred by concerns regarding cleanliness. Just try your best with whatever setup you can afford, and don't be the retard who tries to fruit and harvest from mycelium that looks like rainbow vomit and smells like festering sewage.
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At work, I am able to get hold of freshly used coffee grounds in fairly large amounts. Would it be possible to grow oyster mushrooms juts by cooling the grounds and then putting a bit of oyster mushroom from a shop into the grounds, or do I need to do it via spore printing?

Also, can I keep the lid on the coffee grounds box shut until I see pits forming, or is fresh air needed from the start?
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>>2580506
>>2582778
Anyone?
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If you want it to be a hobby, that's not hard. If you want it to be a business, it will be.

You need:
>carefull climate control
>equipment to sterilize substrate and containers
>consistent, cheap substrate
>harvesting
>packaging
>refrigeration
>a ready downstream supply chain (short shelf life)
>complying with hygiene standards for food production

And do all of the above price-wise competitively
It's definitely possible but it's like being a farmer, don't expect to make big bucks unless you pour in a ton of capital, and still you'll be subject to market volatility and other random shit like contamination.
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It's only profitable if you grow illegal mushrooms but the hippies are ruining that. 
If you want to learn to do it go to a forum dedicated to it, not a d.i.y. board where 90% of the posters don't know how to use a left handed drill correctly.
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>>2582778
Buy some mushroom spawn it'll work better and it's cheap. 
If you wanna do.it that way blend up the oyster with some water and pour that over that grounds when they're no longer to hot to touch.
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>>2579891
How much of a difference does having positive pressure in your lab make? I got a small hood I work with in my bedroom and I haven't had any major issues and I don't think I've got positive pressure. I saw a video by fresh from the farm fungi where Gary cut a hole in the closet of his lab and attached a fan with a HEPA filter to it to achieve positive pressure. To me it seemed like overkill but idk
--- 2586181
I've gotten 4 flushes out of my two oyster blocks I bought off some guy. They seemed dead for a week, so I kept watering and stuffed some cardboard down the sides (read they can extract nutrients from it)
and behold, it worked. New flushes popping out of both of them now, about 15-25% adult size already.

I'm also gonna stick sticks down in there and see how long I can keep it alive. That's they they live off off in nature.

Anyone else tried this?
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>>2586181
If I put a bunch of damp wood and cardboard at the bottom of an aquarium, and spread the mycelium from the blocks over them, could I theoretically keep this stuff alive forever? All of the stuff exposed to air would be "spent" mycelium and contain little nutrients for molds etc.
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>>2586183
also I could put a tube in so I can water from the bottom only.
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>>2574237 (OP)
i have, not this kind of mushroom tho...
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3rd flush of APE of over 50 grms. Loving this side hustle. Too easy bruhs...

150x$15 =$2250
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Just saw a video of someone boiling a toilet roll, and then putting it in a plastic bag with some bits of oyster mycelium. Grew a full flush. Too last to convert to webm and strip sound and spin 3 times and whatever else the 4chan video fairy demands today.
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i think it'd be cool to do, but i just don't understand how you make money off of this shit. like what, do you take a bunch of mushrooms to a farmer's market and set up a stall? do you harass local restaurants and try and sell to them? i dunno how it works.
i used to grow lions mane in college when i was big into nootropics, and it was a lot of fun.
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>>2585590
>profitable
I am not concerned with that, rather I'd like to try growing edible ones for fun. And I have access to large amounts of coffe grounds.

>>2585621
Can button mushrooms also be blended and used with coffee grounds?

>>2586419
>i used to grow lions mane in college when i was big into nootropics, and it was a lot of fun.
You could check with local health food shops or target ads to students. I guess the nootropics demographics is the 25 - 35 bracket.
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>>2586509
>You could check with local health food shops or target ads to students. I guess the nootropics demographics is the 25 - 35 bracket.
less "how do i make money with it" and more how do people do it in general. i've always had thoughts about like, growing really nice garlic or whatever. or keeping bees, or something. it would be neat to have some sort of hobby where you could sell the stuff from it, but, when i grow stuff i usually end up just giving loads of it away to friends and family. no clue how people go about selling shit.
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>>2586515
>and more how do people do it in general
I don't know.

>i usually end up just giving loads of it away to friends and family
I do the same. Growing stuff and watching the results give me a lot of joy.
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>>2579732
>>2582778
I already answered your question dipshit
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>>2580294
I was basically always profitable. I just continue to reinvest profits. Yes I have contracts secured with one farm right now, working on getting more this season. About 80% of my blocks are lions mane, but during market season, which I’m prepping for now it’ll probably be closer to 50% oyster varieties (dominantly blue, king and black pearl king), 30% lions mane and 20% relishing, chestnut, beech and other more obscure ones for booth appeal. I haven’t found many models but go foraging too, chanterelles and chicken of the woods are big sellers for me and I know where to find boatloads. I love porcini personally, and would love more morel spots and a truffle spot.
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>>2585881
The easiest way to achieve positive pressure is to just have your hepa intake be from another room. So your flowhood will pull air from the adjacent room. It doesn’t really matter much on a small scale but on a bigger scale mistakes are more expensive so that 0.1% improvement starts to be more cost effective and sensible. It allows just allows peace of mind, so if you have a contam it’s one less thing to go crazy over.
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>>2586419
Yes, set up a booth and hangout for four hours while bringing a few hundred or more. It’s pretty chill and everyone’s excited to talk to you as well.
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>>2574237 (OP)
check the r/unclebens subreddit
--- 2587328
Just do uncle ben rice method and inject culture into it. Keep it as simple and easy as you can then gradually experiment, this shit is hard and failure is high.
You can clone mushrooms with petri dishes and agar. There’s plenty of workarounds such as working inside a convection oven instead of a fancy glovebox or hepa filter, or even just using a big candle. Learning to disinfect things completely without going overboard is tough.
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>>2574673
this, still air boxes suck, i made a laminar flow hood our of a hepa filter and a blower, i sterilize all my jars/petri dishes with a instant pot max on the canner setting, and use a lighter and 70% alc to sterilize anything else
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>>2588412
still air boxes are fine. literally just turn a plastic box sideways and use that, after you've cleaned the inside.
it just keeps air fronts from putting spores or bacteria on your syringe, or whatever. it's better than nothing. of course a positive pressure clean room with in-line UV sterilizers is better, don't be retarded. but it's better than not doing it, and costs nothing.
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>>2577549
This whole anti-meat propaganda is really useful to weed out retards and make them live a life of painful diabetes, I love it.
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>>2574237 (OP)
Why mushroom-farm in the first place? Seems like a lot of effort for something that's not vital at all for you
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>>2587254
That makes sense, thanks for letting me know. So do large farms typically like, cut a square hole in the wall where the intake filter is and just seal it to the wall?
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>>2588554
There’s probably a standard sized mount you could attach to the intake / pre filter and run ducting to wherever, but I do like you described. My walls are just painters plastic though so it was super easy. My spawn lab is just a lightly framed painters plastic bubble basically. My fruiting block lab isn’t positive pressure, not yet anyway
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>>2588416
im telling you theyre gay anon
if u wanna be a real ALPHA MALE MUSHROOM GROWER you gotta make the investment
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>>2574323
I love you
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>>2588503
We got a faggot utilitarian over here.
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>>2588854
>needing a valid reason to put effort into something means you're part of le ebic ideology
kys
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>>2588929
Quiet faggot real men are talking
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>>2589345
>regurgitated pre-made sentence
peak midwit
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Some cant be grown
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>>2589355
Others make you shit your pants
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>>2588560
Oh cool I think I've seen you post that setup before, are you the same dude with the double 75x's? Im the anon from the out thread that does the no prep oat bags. If you are him I got a couple questions I wanna ask before I start this baby up for the first time
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>>2588412
I like sabs for quick and dirty agar work, for instance if I'm taking a clone(wild or indoor specimens) or swabing plates. I just lightly spray the inside with iso and do the agar work in the Sab with cleaned hands and no gloves. Then when that grows out I take it to the hood and put on gloves for all subsequent transfers
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>>2589615
Yeah that’s me, I got three 75x’s and two 25x’s. Nice to see you again buddy.
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>>2574323
Based
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>>2589615
and i've been doing no prep milo with great success lately, thanks for the encouragement it's piss easy.
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>>2574323
kekw
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>>2591929
Glad you're digging the noprep life! Once I learned how to do it for oats I cant go back. I still flash prep wbs though since its a little dirtier and it doesn't come out pretty if you noprep them (I tried it once)

But anyway yeah I had a few questions about the 75x. 
Q1) So I looked at the 75x tips and tricks thread over at the mush forum and I read how bod says you should remove the vent tube so that you can vent the PC like you would a presto, so is that still valid?

Q2) apparently there's a sweet spot on the heat dial of the PC that one should find so you can just run it without having to adjust the dial. Sounds like it's going to be different for everyone and I'll have to find out what it is for myself, but was just wondering what that was for you since I know you have experience with them and I figured I'd aim for what you have yours set to that way I'm not far off the mark

Q3) I'll be removing the inner basket since im only going to be running bags in this thing. If i need to pc a smaller load like for LC or something i can just use my presto, so i wont be needing the inner basket. But how many bags do you think I can safely fit into one without the basket? I should also mention that my bags weigh slightly less than what most people do. Most people do 4lb(1800 grams) bags but I do roughly 3.5lbs(1450-1550grams) of spawn per bag because A) I can split a 50lb bag of oats into an even 24 spawn bags, B) It allowed me to fit an extra bag in my presto, running a cycle of 7 instead of 6 bags and C) because my Mono's had no problem giving me full canopies without the extra .5lb of spawn.
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>>2591929
>doing no prep milo
What does this mean? I am not up to speed with the terminology and Google was no help.
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>>2574673
is micropore tape good enough to keep out bacteria and trich? ive been using it and when I hold it up to the light you cam see tiny bits of light peeking in certain spots
--- 2593126
I keep buying magic mushroom spores but they never grow even they they are "confirmed good by reddit". Gave up after my 5th set of spores and incubator bag didn't work
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>>2576412
>mushrooms aren't nutritious
Statins come from mushrooms, specifically oyster and some ones that grow on trees
and some vitamins
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>>2592680
>Glad you're digging the noprep life! Once I learned how to do it for oats I cant go back. I still flash prep wbs though since its a little dirtier and it doesn't come out pretty if you noprep them (I tried it once)
Yeah, and to be clear I'm just doing it for milo, a hard seed. I was doing this because I was leaving grain prep to a friend, and cold soaking is super simple (yet milo is more expenisve). IDK that I'd trust it with a larger grain like oats just yet. But I'm pulling my lab back to my house, since he ran one of my brand new AA75xs dry... :'(

>I read how bod says you should remove the vent tube so that you can vent the PC like you would a presto, so is that still valid?
Yeah Bod and Lotkid get in this stupid arguement in that thread it's one of my favorite shrromery rivalries examples. As is displayed in the thread, and some models it's non-destructive to remove the tube (i.e, just comes off with a wrench, as they were arguing about), on others it's destructive (you actually have to cut the tubing). Mine appeared to be more of the latter, so I didn't mess with it and don't have a problem /shrug. But if it was non-destructive, I'd pull it.

> Sounds like it's going to be different for everyone and I'll have to find out what it is for myself, but was just wondering what that was for you since I know you have experience with them and I figured I'd aim for what you have yours set to that way I'm not far off the mark
It's been awhile since I've actually looked at the dial since mine is dialed in, but it only takes a single cycle to figure it out. Either it's too low PSI or too high, and once it hits the sweet spot you just leave it there. Over time it will creep and you'll have to adjust it, but there are ways to recalibrate it that are detaield on shroomery. Also it should be assumed to be unique to each sterilizer, even between ones of the same model.
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>>2592680
> I'll be removing the inner basket since im only going to be running bags in this thing. If i need to pc a smaller load like for LC or something i can just use my presto, so i wont be needing the inner basket.
I PC LC and agar without the inner basket no problem. I fit 8 bags that are slightly under 4qts in the 75x, 4 in the 25x. I measure by volume since that's the limiting factor. Milo for example is way heavier than wheat but the PC still fits the same volume of either. 

I did the same thing with my 50lb bags though, just based it off of how to divy it up into the cookers optimally and my tubs did fine with less spawn as well (especially given I prefer a 'one and done' tub). 

I will add that if you have room for 4x 55gal drums you may want to look into buying tons of grain rather than bags, it's surprisingly cost effective even at a small scale. A ton of wheat in my area is $400, a ton of milo is $700. A ton of milo fits into 4 55gal drums if you have the room. My wheat costs around $30/50lb, so for a ton it'd be $2000 rather than $300. And you can store it outside in open lid sealed drums. I know grain costs seems puny given the margins on some of these things, especially the coir based ones, but that's some serious savings. I mean even just renting a storage unit to fit the grains will pay for itself, and that's worst case scenario.
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You seem like a smart guy who will figure it out regardless though so good luck. The only real advice I can give, and maybe it's survivorship bias crap, but get into markets so you can talk to farmers and start networking with people who already move product. It just gives you a lot of exposure to the right kind of people. And always grow the best looking stuff possible. My client sought me ought cuz my stuff always looked pristine, I knew as a little guy that was the only way to compete.

But even the big guys are total retards. The guy I'm working with contract grows for the largest gourmet grower in my state, and the business is ran retardly. He's very open about subverting them. They spend $25,000k where I spend $500, for example. It seems like they don't really get the DIY basic stuff and just have money to throw around or something. I'm just trying to set myself up to sell blocks in the PNW, and hopefully grow kits and LC's soon.
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can putting things in the freezer do the same thing as heating them in a pressure cooker, or do contaminants still live after freezing
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I dont trust mushrooms.
What are they? They arent plants, they arent animals and they arent bacteria enlarged.
Its like insects and reptiles, youbcant communicate shit to them.
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>>2593450
Oh shit I misread, I thought you said millet. I wasn't aware that Milo worked well with noprep. I know millet is supposed to be easy for it but didn't think Milo would do well because that's mainly what wbs is when you strain out the sunflower seeds. When I tried it with wbs the milo exploded everywhere and was a goopy mess, I still nocd and spawned it though and they performed fine, probably not at 100+% BE capacity but still a full flush, one bag I tossed though cuz it smelled off. But anyway yeah that's why I switched to flash prepping with wbs was cuz the Milo mess.

And damn man how did your friend fuck your 75x like that, did he slip up on setting the timer or forget to close the vent?

>vent tube
It says in my manual that it can be removed but I'm not sure if I gotta unscrew the valve on top to get it off if its detachable. Even if it isn't I think i might go with forcefully removing it, that way I don't have to fuck around with it and it'll be one less thing to even think about lol

>heat dial
Ah okay yeah I supposed for the amount of material that's placed inside is probably the main factor for why it'll be unique from person to person

>PC lc & agar
You do so in your 75x? Won't it just take longer to heat up that gallon of water in there since its bigger? I only have to put like a quart and a half of water in my presto for lc and agar and it gets up to pressure stupid fast. Josex has a tek on how he PC's lc/agar/tools/smallshit,etc , and basically since its easier to sterilize those thingw you don't have to treat running the cycle as you would for a load for grain or blocks. And at least for me i think it's a little simpler cuz i can just twist the lid on and off the presto instead of twisting all those knobs on the 75x

>8 bags
Damn that's it? I figured since the 75x is basically double the size of a presto that it could fit a little more then 2 bags extra
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>>2593847
>8 bags (cont)
I think since were running our bags with slightly less weight we should be able to squeeze a few more in there comfortably? I vaguely remember reading about how one dude was able to fit like 13 bags@4lb each in there, but then a few cycles later he posted an update in that same thread about how he clogged the vent and created a grainsplosion lol. So im not trying to go overboard like that, but I think maybe since I'm using a little less weight per bag I could probably get away with maybe 11 or 12. Whatever though I guess I'll just find out soon enough! I'll let you know how much Im able to pull off in a month or so after I run a few cycles in it.

>bulk grains
Man a ton of grain is so much to consider at the moment lol I'm not at that level yet! When I need that much grain I'm def going to try and get a better deal, but right now the price is alright in my neck of the woods. The feed store I go to fluctuates the price of oats and milo, both are anywhere between $20-25 which changes every week. Last week I bought 4 50lb bags of oats at $20 per bag. Which comes out to $800 if I bought it by the ton.

I still haven't tried their Milo out cuz I can just get a bag of wbs from my local grocery store for basically the same price of Milo so its just matter of convenience for me, plus i use birdseed anyway to feed the birds in my local wood trails so it gets 2 birds stoned at once
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>PC
>tek
>s2b
>FAE
>LC

I know its irrational but I fucking hate the cancerous lingo that spreads around in any hobby
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4 days in... Yesterday I looked to my side and master Yoda was there and he said to me
"Reeeeach"

I am almost there
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>>2594008
Are you making beds out of spent tubs outside or they just growing naturally in your habitat?
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>>2593978
We definitely need these expanded on in the upcoming FAQ: I too struggle with un-googleable lingo here.
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>>2594388
They grow everywhere here... They fruit like crazy now thar winder is comming.

Search for "lagoa dos patos - rio grande do sul - brasil"

It was all under the ocean here, it is all flat and moist
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>>2592800
Its just not prepping grains as one would do so traditionally. If you're a novice you should learn to prep grains properly first so you know how they should turn out
>>2593109
A few layers of mp tape will suffice in keeping mold spores for grain jars. For tubs you normally use a single layer of tape and the purpose is to regulate Fae, not to keep spores out
>>2593126
Do more reading, watch more youtube tutorials. Stay away from reddit
>>2593832
No, otherwise nobody would ever invest in pressure cookers
>>2593978
>>2594449
Lingo is used for convenience sake. If you get serious with the hobby you just naturally pick it up
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>>2594464
Keeping out mold spores*
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>>2594464
>Lingo is used for convenience sake.
I know, we have plenty of acronyms in my day time job.
>If you get serious with the hobby you just naturally pick it up
The idea of the FAQ is to get people up to speed, quickly. Expandng the acronyms is a good start.
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>>2574237 (OP)
I know absolutely nothing about mushroom farming. What kind are you growing?
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>>2594515
Yeah an faq for the Chan's would be cool. But even still, youd have tiktok zoomers wanting to be soonfed and not even reading the faq lol. There's tons of solid teks written up on the mush forums and there's solid tutorials on YouTube that aren't very hard to find yet noobs still ask these retarded basic ass questions. This isn't even unique to mush farming, this happens in every single hobby and that is what is truly cancerous
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>>2594515
Here you can put this link in the FAQ for lingo I guess 
https://www.shroomery.org/13894/Glossary-and-Lexicon-of-The-Online-Mushroom-Communitys-OMC-terms
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>>2594553
>Yeah an faq for the Chan's would be cool.
I can do the FAQ, just need the input. I have done a few things over on the Installgentoo wiki. Most likely we can build on the /moco/ FAQ that kind of stranded:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki//myco/_-_FAQ
>But even still, youd have tiktok zoomers wanting to be soonfed and not even reading the faq lol.
Over in other generals we save a lot of time by just pointing them to the FAQ. It works and avoids having the generals noodle around in the same, small circles.
>There's tons of solid teks written up on the mush forums and there's solid tutorials on YouTube that aren't very hard to find yet noobs still ask these retarded basic ass questions. This isn't even unique to mush farming, this happens in every single hobby and that is what is truly cancerous
The trick is to find reasonably reliable sites. Google is becoming increasingly useless in this regards.

>>2594580
>https://www.shroomery.org/13894/Glossary-and-Lexicon-of-The-Online-Mushroom-Communitys-OMC-terms
Thank,s that helps, and I am relieved to see that FAE is not after all Fuel Air Explosive. We are mssing some like "PC" and "S2B".
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>>2594913
S2b is spawn to bulk. Its the process of mixing your fully colonized grain spawn with substrate. I don't even use this term, I simply say "making fruiting blocks" or "making tubs" 
And PC is an acronym for pressure cooker
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made some grain bags and after a week I realized I didn't put in enough water and these bitches are sealed. Can I just open them under a flow hood and throw in some more sterilized water
--- 2595759
Biggest mushroom tip-Never use shroomery they're all century old faggots who don't have a clue about what they're talking about. 

>>2595160
stop talking in nonsense shroomerfag
>>2595735
yeah make sure the water is sterile. 

>>2594913
There's literally no other purpose to these threads or websites than for retarded noobs to ask stupid questions. I never touched any internet faggory until I had my first few flushes. It's not like any of you are microbiologists like me. All of your advice is useless to one as sublime as me. 

>>2589355
*can't be grown now
I figured out how to grow yellow morels, but I'm never to going to tell anyone how to because I hate you faggots.
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>>2589357
These grow around me. Every now and then you hear of some junkie dying because he ate one thinking it would get you high.
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>>2595759
Nice troll bait, 10/10, wasn't obvious at all
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how come everyone says you need everything to be sterile to grow mushrooms when I got mushrooms growing in the corner of my bathroom and I haven't cleaned it in months?
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>>2595959
The mushroom spores you don't want already dominate, so you want your few spores to get a good head start before the bad ones move in big time.
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>>2595959
Ikr. I been trying to tell everyone of the good ol bathroom corner tek. I just shoot spores in the corner of my bathroom and I've got the highest most potent yields anyone could ask for. The mush industry HATES this little secret so keep it on the down low
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can you take mycelium from contaminated agar/jars and keep breeding it to beat trichoderma ass? I want to create a trich assassin strain
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im new to the mushroom game, growing both PE and GT. like a retard i put in 2 ml of syringe juice because i thought it would be twice as effective but it got a lot of moisture and wet rot/cont. how do i not get cont on my next try? obv not as much ml but how careful do i have to be and can i regularly check it or do i have to forget about it till its time to fruit? (how sensitive is cont after inoculation?) also im planning on keeping it in a walmart bag and under it a heated blanket to speed up the warmth for myc growth, is this a good idea?
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>>2596911
not in the time frames we operate on at least
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>>2593847
I’m cold soaking the milo btw, hot/warm soaking it resulted in a mess if it went too long. It’s been working well for me and the guy I’m working with has several tons he wants to get rid of so I’m just using it for now to burn it up, but I’m still on the fence about it overall. In theory the idea makes sense to me though for small
kernels like this though since they’re so small, this should leave to better absorption of the residual moisture left of on the surface of each seed during the PC cycle, and also penetration of heat to the kernels core since it’s a smaller object to penetrate. But idk. 

He fucked it by running it dry. He vented two of them for like two hours and texted me saying they were behaving weird, describing symptoms that me screamed low water. I had him turn them off and check water levels, he said they were fine but when I checked myself they were both at least half empty (half full? Lol). Which tells me he really had no idea what he was doing despite me explaining it and there being engraved lines on the things. So I didn’t mention and just pulled the lab back to my place. My bad for placing that sort of liability on someone really but it sure was heart breaking. One sec and I’ll respond to the rest and sorry for my drunken ramblings last time
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>>2593847
I’ve never worried about the vent tube personally, if mine were easily detachable I’d detach probably, but I haven’t checked out my new ones yet. 

It’s not the mass of material inside I don’t think, it’s controlled by a thermoswitch so it’s thermostatically controlled. I just think it’s not digital or something but I’m not entirely sure, I only know this from buying replacement parts. The mass of material inside will affect how long it takes to get to temp of course, but the thermoswitch will control it after it reaches that point. So you can really dial the knob into the right PSI (which is the same as temp, assuming it’s pure steam) whether you’re running one 500ml media bottle or it’s stuffed with grain.

No, I do agar in my 25x but I want to get a stove top one for my bday this summer. Used to have a bunch of prestos. Regarding Josex and running cycles what do you mean? I’m always gonna run my agar at the PSI for the right duration but I’m curious. I only run my agar/LC etc for about 30min at 15-17PSI though. I do miss having a stovetop sterilizer/canner though and will be getting one before canning season this year, and a fishing pole! 

>8 bags
Yeah it doesn’t fit as much as you’d expect, I was initially disappointed too but imo it’s well worth it. Once you go electric AA it’s tough to go back. I fit 8 4qt bags in the 75x and 4 4qt bags in the 25x. Yeah I know 25 x 3 = 75 but that’s not how it works out.
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>>2593862
>one dude 
That’s Ted and idfk what he was doing to do that, all I know is a pack mine as full as possible and that’s what I fit. Ted is awesome though imo I follow everything he does and talk to him a bit on there. He’s especially on point with regard to the importance of lighting wrt cubes imo. And maybe he was using a dense grain like millet which is heavy for its volume ofc but afaik Ted goes by volume in bags not weight. 

>$800/ton
Yeah my local grain mill does a ton of wheat for $300, but you gotta haul it and figure out how to store it. But you can fit a ton in a few 55gal drums with lids. Idk what you’re selling but for the margins magic on certain tropical non-gourmet species I see why you wouldn’t care lolz. 

I absolutely refuse to use bird seed lol
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And I don’t run my tools through the PC unless they contain culture media like media bottles. I use disposable syringes, and I don’t use mason jars, just smaller spawn bags. One day I want to get a stainless spawn dispenser like what drake89 had though, I’d run that through a cycle for sure, pic tel. Would be so much faster
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to compensate for my blabbing here’s a pic of some spawn bags I top fruited that were left in a shed since October. No contams so far out of maybe 30 bags
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>>2579044
You can sterilize the grounds without a pressure cooker. Put the grounds in mason jars with locking lids. Flip the lid upside down and don't tighten the jar all the way so it allows the jar to vent. Top the jar with foil. Get a large pot and put something metal in the bottom of the pot so the jars are elevated off the bottom of the pot. Add a couple cups of water but not enough to cover half the jars or more. Put a lid on it and bring it to a medium boil for 90 minutes, checking on it every 20 minutes or so to make sure you don't run low on water. At 90 minutes your sterile. However I would recommend using brown rice for another grain in addition to your coffee grounds. Coffee grounds are extremely acidic and can cause issues with mycelium growth when used without grain.
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is raising pH of substrate a fool-proof way of preventing trichoderma contamination? Can I drop a crushed tablet or two of calcium carbonate into the subtrate to do it?
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>>2597902
hot if male
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>>2594449
just google "x mushrooms" and you should be able to figure it out lol not that hard
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>>2597902
That is a child's stomach, where are the jannies at?>>2597943
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>>2597863
Hey so i decided to just screw that sumnabinch right off lol. I followed this dudes advice to make sure I didn't fuck anything up https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26235947#26235947
Brah I'm telling you oats are solid for no prep and its actually not soaking or anything. Just try it once. So long as you PC for 3 and a half hours as far as I can tell. Never tried doing it for less time then that. Like I said before the only disadvantage is that LC doesn't take on them unless you supplement a bit of flashprepped wbs/Milo/millet to them. But more times than not I do g2g for the noprep oats without supplementing with wbs

>vented for 2 hours
lmao wtf. Yeah that's fucked. If I were to have someone help me I'd have to run at least a dozen cycles with them to make sure they grasp it and entrust them with the equipment.
>mass of materials
Yeah I'm not sure, I only guess that's the reason cuz I have 2 markings on the dial of my electric stove for my presto, 1 marking is set for smaller loads while the other is set for larger and I usually have to adjust the dial within that range depending on how much I've loaded in there.
>josex pc cycle method
He has a thread where he discusses making no-pours in his presto, and he explains how because the cycle is for just the batch of agar plates that you don't need to add the standard 3 quarts of water and you don't need to slowly build up to pressure. You can just leave the dial of your stove on high until it gets to pressure and set your timer for 15-30 minutes and just slightly reduce the heat to maintain pressure for the short PC cycle. 

I'm gonna reply to the rest once I get back from the store brb
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>>2597868
>josex cont.
You still bring it up to sterilizing temp btw (<15psi) basically you just don't need to add so much water, which brings it up to temp faster and you also don't need to slowly build up to temp. It just makes for a faster cycle which is sufficient for tiny loads like agar/lc and tools such as blender blades, scalpels/tweezers, etc.

>8 bags
Fuck that I hope I can at least squeeze 9 in there lol. Gonna give it a whirl this week and see what I'm able to pull off
>Ted & lighting wrt
What's wrt?
>800/ton
I wonder if I asked them the price for a ton of oats or Milo, maybe it'd be less than 800. I'll have to ask my store to find out but in the meantime I'm fine with picking up a few 50lb bags every now and then and as you said the cost isn't exactly significant, I mean it is and it isn't heh and man I love my wbs! Mine comes in a thick plastic bag of 20lb for $10. Its pretty clean and has less sunflowers then other brands I had. 
>>2597875
That SS dispenser looks clean AF!
>>2597877
Sick man, did you top fruit those bags cuz the spawn looked suspect?
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I missed it. Shame.
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>>2598404
>Sick man, did you top fruit those bags cuz the spawn looked suspect?
I’m sorry I’ll get back to the rest later, but these were from a batch of masters that were to be expanded into 4.5qt bags at a friends place but it got put on hold. So they’ve just been sitting since October. My gf was running low on micro dose pills so I pulled them out of some garbage and top fruited them late March, lol

cleaning up my yard tonight but will get back l8r
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>>2598404
what’s your deal though, looking to start doing gourmets commercially or something?
--- 2598649
Seems mushrooms want nitrogen, but can fresh urine (before it forms ammonia) be usable? If not, can Struvite be used?
People are looking for ses over in >>2550955 →
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>>2598439
How much sub do you slap on there when you do that? Looks to me about like 3 inches deep, no? There were a few bags I had a couple months ago that were sus and instead of top fruiting like I should have I made tubs instead. They went green during the second flush so it wasn't a total loss
>>2598441
I'm just growing gourmets and blocks for myself friends and senpai at the moment. Do a bit a cubes too, esp now that summer is coming up. But yeah eventually I wanna work into going to farmers markets and then maybe a local/online shop to sell blocks, spores, cultures etc
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Here's what my first time working with regular PE looks like. Prepped the sub a little over field capacity so they didn't get to do their best. Probably the least forgiving variety I ever worked with. Im about to run some melmac for the first time which should perform a little better based on what I've read about them
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>>2586509
Buttons don't work well on coffee in my experience. They like already broken down compost mixed with hay and poop.

Coffee can be used for aggressive non picky strains like oysters but the trick is to sterilize and seal or only add enough coffee that it gets colonized by the mycelium fast enough so that other stuff doesn't grow on the nitrogen rich waste grounds
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what is the real difference between different strains of cubensis? is stuff like B+, albino, amazon, etc really that different aside from possibly appearance?
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>>2599253
Potency and appearance is mainly the difference, but also speed in which a variety grows is another one. I prefer ones that drop little to no spores, stipes that are dense, forms pins in 10-14 days and of course i want them potent. You can pretty much get this out of all the different varieties if you select these traits when cloning