diy/2589600.txt

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Is it possible to build a house with the core concept of picrel, which is that the house is sylindrical with multiple floors, and has a spiral staircase that spans the whole house? How could the floors and stairs be held up, while still allowing space for a fireplace?
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>>2589600 (OP)

The exterior walls act as load bearing support, spans and stairs anchor to the walls. Fireplace and chimney sit center and run from bottom to top. I'm not sure what you are asking. Or why considering you will never build this.
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>>2589611
some men just want to watch the stairs turn
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>>2589611
>but I did eat breakfast
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>stairs inside

the virgin wizard tower vs the chad goat tower
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>>2589600 (OP)
Is this the castle thread?
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I'm a simple man. I just want to live in a fucking wizard tower.
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>>2589600 (OP)
One angle at which you can exit each floor safely to either ascend or descend respectively, and walking outward from the center of a floor at any other direction has you falling 6-8 feet to the steps below, then simply tumbling the rest of the way down like a pinball?
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>>2589600 (OP)
it's hard for me to think of a greater waste of interior volume than a donut-style, wide-radius spiral staircase occupying the most volumetrically rich area of your weird property cylinder.
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>>2589635
Learn the definition of waste. Its not a waste if it's sick as fuck and serves a purpose (looking sick as fuck)
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>>2589600 (OP)
Have you ever been in a lighthouse, the type where an actual ighthouse keeper lived inside?
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>>2589675
No
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>>2589613
Audibly keked
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just renovate an old martello tower
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>>2589628
that's impressive if it's pure stonework
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>>2589635
What about Iron Age Scottish Brochs?
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>>2589600 (OP)
Instead up building up dig down.
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>>2589600 (OP)
Yes, that is possible. But it doesn't matter since you're not going to build it.
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>>2589600 (OP)
You ever think ppl don't bc it's not economically viable
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>>2589600 (OP)
buy earthbags and a shovel.
and start digging
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>>2589600 (OP)
A lighthouse?
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>>2589635
>the most volumetrically rich area

Tell me "I have no clue WTF I am talking about but think it makes me sound smart" without saying "I have no clue WTF I am talking about but think it makes me sound smart".
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>>2589600 (OP)
what's preventing you from filling up the red areas?
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>>2589692
Yeah it's pure masonry, been standing there for a thousand years.
>"Cloyne Round Tower is a round tower in the historically monastic town of Cloyne, County Cork in Ireland. dates to around the 10th century, and is approximately 30m high and 16.25m around when measured about 1.5m above the ground. The stone in the tower is dark purple sandstone."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloyne_Round_Tower
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>>2589837
So this is how we should build our houses if we want them to stand for 1000 years.
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>>2589810
I do intend to, though the staircase is more visible without the whole floor
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>>2589866
>heavy winds at you once
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>>2589806
tell me "I don't understand the ratio of area to volume as it relates to a circle or donut's radius" with three times the ESL necessary. This is literally a first-week optimization problem for middleschool geometry students.
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>>2589638
>Its not a waste if it's sick as fuck and serves a purpose (looking sick as fuck)
this is the acceptable answer though
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>>2589600 (OP)
>sylindrical
zoomers are trash
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>>2589919
I'm ESL
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>>2589600 (OP)
You mean can you build & live in a light house? Yes.

https://www.idealhome.co.uk/news/quirky-converted-lighthouse-home-203644
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>>2589914
Still has nothing to do with anything, OPs diagram is clearly not to scale and thus is not a literal plan, and as others have pointed out there is no need for the floors to stop short of the perimeter wall, there just needs to be enough room for head clearance where the stairway path passes through each floor.

Just like any stairway in any structure that by default takes up space...but in the case of a cylinder, as a practical matter putting in along the curved perimeter wall uses space that can be troublesome for placing furniture and appliances that are generally intended to fit in areas defined by right angles and straight walls. So despite all your talk of donuts (?) and junior high, it's a very sensible use of available space where a stairway is needed inside a cylinder.

You should worry more about the volumetric richness of your ego.
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>>2589624
That is some tasteless shit, goddamn
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>>2589837
>Cloyne Round Tower is a round tower
>in Cloyne
this made me laff
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>>2589688
kino
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>>2589622
coping goatcel
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>>2589600 (OP)
Use a double-winded staircase to go down from the 1st floor to the basement anonymously.
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>>2589622
Based goat tower
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I used to fantasize about buying an old brick grain silo and covering it into a living space. No stairs, i wanted an open platform elevator suspended by big ass chains.
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>>2589600 (OP)
Silo homes have been done but remember stairs guarantee a fall sooner or later and are a bitch to move stuff up and down. 

Farm Show magazine has examples.
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>>2589810
Stairway headroom, you need at least 80" of it by code. Your proposed edit would make the stairs only usable by someone who is 3.5' tall.
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>>2590060
>bitch to move stuff up and down
Was just thinking this as I was reading the thread. Easiest solution would be to install internal trapdoors on each floor and hoist stuff up using a block and tackle.
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>>2590060
>stairs guarantee a fall sooner or later and are a bitch to move stuff up and down
All multi-level houses have stairs, that has nothing to do with the shape of the house.
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>>2589600 (OP)
ahem
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>>2589964
> talk of donuts (?) 
literally the name of this shape when flat? Are you really going to insist on "torus" for 2d? 

>OPs diagram is clearly not to scale and thus is not a literal plan
the stairway still needs to be torso-width and firecode-height the entire way. You are telling me these two areas are remotely the same, or that the red space is truly so useless for furniture and decor it's worth the loss over blue?


>uses space that can be troublesome for placing furniture and appliances
beside the point, although I'll concede this might be a priority for deciding from a faggy interior decorating perspective, it doesn't mean there's less (or equal) actual volume, or squarefootage (which typically doesn't include ramps or stairs). I'd also imagine kitchen appliances (and e.g. window air conditioners, dryer vents) to be much easier to design for at the perimeter than the center, unless the center or another vertical shaft is also a wasted chimney thing.
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>>2590143
sorry pic
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>>2590002
Don't do a double staircase, do one a slide and the other stairs. If you're going to build a clown house, at least do it properly.
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>>2590071
you're not supposed to interpret it literally, american retard
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>>2589628
I put on my robe and wizard hat
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>>2590145
>the stairway still needs to be torso-width and firecode-height the entire way. You are telling me these two areas are remotely the same, or that the red space is truly so useless for furniture and decor it's worth the loss over blue?

JFC, the stairway area for any particular floor only runs from its landing area to the top step before the next floor's landing you fucking cretin. For a very mildly pitched egress staircase of 32° that's just under 15' of run for 9' of rise and the area beneath the stringers doesn't have to be entirely boxed in and treated as useless.

OP doesn't say what the cylinder's diameter is and as was already crayons out for you, it's not a scale drawing so what percentage of your red area that fixed staircase area represents per floor is unknown, except for the fact that we *do* know that it's not that entire red area on each floor the way your stupid ass pretends it is.

Finally, if you are basing your "better" plan preserving "volumetric richness" on having one compact central spiral staircase serving the needs of an entire multi story residence, then unless it's 12' in diameter and occupied by one person who has no bed or furniture or life* you are even dumber than your previous posts indicate.

*yes I understand where this is being posted, cope
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>>2590496
Kek
Classic
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>>2590131
this is my inspiration, though the staircade in the show is different, I believe
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>>2589694
*Pictish
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>>2590193
Oh, sorry I forgot we're only supposed to use the magic of imagination here.
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>>2590002
use the centre to make a round elevator that takes you to the top
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>>2589600 (OP)
Imagine the non-existent temperature cells. Bottom floors would always be to cold while the top floor always to hot if heated to a comfortable temperature anywhere else.
Those stairs would be nauseating to run laps in, up and down.
You don't want to pour hundreds of thousands on a shitty autist house because normalfags have it sorted out.
Right angled walls give the best support and are easy to build and utilize.
Round walls are shit and cave in easily. It's retarded trying to hang a painting on a convex surface.
Just build a square tower with straight stairs and a wall to prevent heat escaping the floor you want heated.
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>>2590545
Lol, the bigger radius is more area no matter what the scale is.

>entirely boxed in and treated as useless
Under a 32° ramp to the ground? Yeah that's still a fuckload useless space.
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>>2590193
Ah, of course, this is /lit/ after all.
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>>2590545
>the stairway still needs to be torso-width and firecode-height the entire way. You are telling me these two areas are remotely the same, or that the red space is truly so useless for furniture and decor it's worth the loss over blue?
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>JFC, the stairway area for any particular floor only runs from its landing area to the top step before the next floor's landing 
if I misread an OP picrel this badly and then tried to argue about it, I'd block 4chan or rope probably
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>>2590545
>its landing area

That retarded sketchup goat tower has three floors, ZERO landings. Clearly the (contiguous, not piecewise) spiral goes right past the second floor without any gap or flat section, ramped to 180° per floor.
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>>2589600 (OP)
Just basically build a ladder from floor to floor to get up, then a fire pole down the middle to slide down.
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>>2589600 (OP)
Towers are comfy.
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Go the other direction and renovate a missile silo instead. Also you will be interested in 'Silo' on Apple+ when it comes out in May. The show takes place in an city whose entire design is around that of a huge spiral staircase.
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>>2591281
>Lol, the bigger radius is more area no matter what the scale is.

Lol, so your retarded take is that the primary objective of stair design is to use the least *volumetric area* possible regardless of the impact that might have on that stair's usefulness or legality?
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>>2591737
just build a ladder then
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>>2589630
You never heard of handrails and guards? Have you ever seen stairs in real life, even?
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>>2591745
sounds like you live in a padded facility with the corners of doors taken off.
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>>2591752
>live in a padded facility
Well, he IS trying to build a wizard tower, so no surprises there.
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>>2591752
>>2589600 (OP)
>spiralintoinsanity.png
What are you not getting about this jfc
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>>2589600 (OP)
Why'd you want a fireplace anyway? There's electric heat nowadays that won't kill you with carbon monoxide or chimney fires.
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>>2589628
i can feel the neighboring houses quivering in fear
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>>2591813
>electric heat nowadays that won't kill you with carbon monoxide or chimney fires.
not cozy or remotely suitable for a wizard's study
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>>2591813
>put more floor here
I don't want to build a tomb, lmao. Might as well fill it all in.
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>>2589600 (OP)
Are you trying to build a lighthouse?
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>>2591893
More like an Obelisk, mostly used on the lower floors instead of the higher ones.
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>>2589600 (OP)
Rapunzel ass house
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>>2589624
>More absurd than Salvador Dali paintings
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>>2589600 (OP)
Way ahead of you all
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>>2591813
That left chiney alternative is a typical Anglo-American misfeature for people who like living in cold and damp places. Make sure the hot flue from the fireplace goes through a central chimney with multiple passages to deposit and store as much heat as possible, like tiled stoves.
You have to be really stupid to die of carbon monoxide poisoning.

Where I live we do national service and learn about these things, also for field use. We also have other NATO forces coming here to learn. Unfortunately they use Hollywood as their primary source of "knowledge" and end up frozen to death or gassed to death. There is nothing in our genetics that make us adapted to the cold weather, only some basic knowledge keeps us alive. And still they think Sylvester Stallone braving a snow storm wearing a T-shirt is the manly way to do it, when in reality it is a not so manly way to die.
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Go the Guggenheim route and make constantly sloping floors. Or use a Man Engine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZBMStb62W4&t=222) [Embed] or both.
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>>2589600 (OP)
Hollow, load bearing concrete center column/ chimney that heats up and acts as a radiator

If you want it real cozy make the whole house a rocket stove, air intakes under the house from all directions going into the center column fire place.
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Decorative towers are called follies for a reason...
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>>2591907
i believer her entire body was in the tower in the story
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>>2589600 (OP)
so you want to live in a grainbin
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>>2592043
suomalainen?
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>>2589600 (OP)
Just redesign it with more logical proportions. Design is very iterative. Put the stairs in the center to maximize on usable floor space. Or consider an elevator. It'll be hard to build to code but fuck it
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>>2593549
The question isn't serious or OP would not have any need to ask here having found the answer instantly.

Fantasy cuckshed/bunker threads deserve their own containment board.

>>2592043
The Anglo-Saxon chimney is on an outer wall so it can be pulled down to save the structure in the event of a chimney fire. Most of the world before about 2022 was hellishly poor and couldn't afford quality anything so design had to account for constant fires, structural failures etc. The design became fashionable long after it was no longer needed. 

BTW a rope tied to the trailer hitch is how many contractors remove outdoor chimneys as they're not anchored to the house. I've done it and it works nicely. If you dislike someone that's a fine way to inflict an expensive bill. I've also demolished house trailers by running log chain through windows and doorways then driving off. Works even better with a tractor and is destructively satisfying.
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>>2589624

won't lie, i respect the sheer audacity of that retard. The fact that the castle facade visibly rests on the roof is hilarious too. and god, the fuckin non-level knight statues on top! 
A king must have his castle
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>>2593594
I don't think our neighbours ever invited NATO forces for winter exercises, and I am sure Russia would have excreted a brick had they heard that.

t.Norwegian
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>>2595099
Prepare for vatnik masonry now Finland has joined civilization.
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>>2590131
Kino
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Could improve the design by making it dome shaped rather than phallic
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>>2598758

>Anon invents the Atrium Ranch style home, 2023
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>>2591962
free electricity you say?