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--- 14892131
Name a bigger fall from grace.
--- 14892143
You mean bigger rise from irrelevance. Proto-Celtics were some Alpine warriors who raped the shit out of England, France, Netherlands, Belgium, and Iberia. Modern Celtic speakers in the British Isles are 2% Celtic despite speaking the language of their masters.
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>Proto-Celtics were some Alpine warriors

nah

proto-celtic coalesced around the Atlantic coast about a thousand years before most academics assume (bronze age not iron age) and gradually spread eastwards across the continent (very fat east eventually)

this is why their modern successors exist where they do, it's basically their urheimat
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>>14892179
There is no early bronze age migration from the atlantic coast into central europe
--- 14892216
>proto-celtic coalesced around the Atlantic coast
Retard.
>about a thousand years before most academics assume
Retard.
>this is why their modern successors exist 
Because those Atlantic cuckolds got raped by Alpine Celtics then completely raped by Germanics. Now L21 is 1% in the English despite them being the same as the Welsh genetically.
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>>14892131 (OP)

Russia 1991-present
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>>14892143
>despite speaking the language of their masters.
What happened in practice was probably that the Proto-Celts raped their immediate neighbours, who were then, say, half-Celtic, who then raped their neighbours, and so on until you're down to almost indetectable levels of admixture from the Proto-Celts, but the Modern Celts would still be relatively heavy rapebabies of whoever was their immediate neighbour back then. It just doesn't really matter.
>>14892179
This never happened and there is no evidence for it
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>>14892143
>raped
british islands, netherlands, iberian and belgian uniparentals are almost homogeneously bell beaker
were celts female warriors? because as far as i know when you rape someone you leave them your ydna kek. celtic incels literally traded their women and they got cucked so hard that the children started speaking their mothers language
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>>14892265
Actually, kinda. Celtic women were at least girlbosses it seems and all accounts are unanimous in Celts being immensely homosexual, so it is conceivable that they may have had exceptionally low Y-DNA impact despite conquering pretty hard.
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>>14892216
>>14892263
>>14892265
>>14892270
I can't even enjoy internet race wars on this fucking board. I have no clue what any of you fuckers are saying.
--- 14892291
Celt = "I guess these non-Romans are sort of similar"
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>>14892291
Celtic language family and cultural continuity is a matter of fact, don't ask for a coherent genetic profile though, probably the only ethnicity where "it's a language not a race" is entirely true and not a meme
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>>14892296
None of the Insular Celts on Britain are genetically similar to one another. They're as similar to the Anglo-Saxons as they are to their "fellow Celts". Celtic "ethnicity" is a giant meme perpetuated by limited Roman historiography on them as a people. Celtic languages being propagated across different groups is strange but not exactly unheard of, just look at Latin languages spoken by various different groups across Europe.
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>>14892301
>None of the Insular Celts on Britain are genetically similar to one another.
What kind of absurd claim is this? They're similar to each other, but not to continental Gauls. 
>just look at Latin languages spoken by various different groups across Europe.
Are you denying the existence of the Roman Empire? Is assuming it existed a result of limited barbarian historiography?
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>>14892275
I can get a basic grasp of this race autism. Haplo autists make my brain hurt
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>>14892263
Not really. Irish are mostly Irish Bell Beaker with a bit of Germanic admixture, yet the language and culture of their Celtic masters live on.
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>>14892426
This has no relevance to my post
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>>14892447
It does because the Irish aren't 50% Britonic and 50% native like that scenario. They're 0% Celtic genetically.
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>>14892131 (OP)
The downfall of the Greek world. From the pinnacle of the Parthenon to the destruction of Troy. From the age of Achilles to the reign of Alcibiades...
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>>14892131 (OP)
Nineveh
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>>14892457
"Britons" isn't necessarily a single group here, it can easily be one tribe to another tribe without being a single macro-ethnicity, and would certainly go through Picts too.
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>>14892263
wrong
>>14892301
this anon is right, celtic culture spread with a minority not through conquest
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>>14893175
picts were brittonic celts
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>>14892291
celt=speaker of a celtic language, follower of celtic religion, and elements of shared culture
there was no singular celtic culture
but multiple celtic cultures
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>>14893184
A minority that didn't conquer? Do you suppose Celts were Europe's version of Jews?
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>>14892131 (OP)
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>>14893288
no as in people traded with celts and adopted their culture
that and some celts migrated into the region and others in the region adopted the cutlure from them
celts spread due to their at the time revolutionary ideas
they invented things such as the iron plough, the horseshoe, they were the first people to embrace iron working and also steel, they invented chainmail, their military technologies were adopted by the romans and greeks
they downfall came due to a total lack of unity among the celtic people and celtic cultures as a whole
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>>14893312
>people traded with celts and adopted their culture
Stopped reading there, come back when you studied the subject
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>>14893342
I have, thoroughly for about 2 years now
while yes celts fought battles and invaded terretories a lot of their expansion was through peaceful/semi-peaceful means

im sorry if this disagrees with the idea people love of of 'heckin epic' naked blue barbarian warrior hoards howling at the moon sacrificing people in giant wickermen
--- 14893385
The Celts didn't spread as an iron age people to the west 

They pretty much already existed in Western Europe by the time hallstat and la tène culture diffused, probably some time during the bronze age and were basically just reflexive migrations of bell beakers
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>>14893376
Never once in the entirety of mankind's existence did a free nation voluntarily adopt the language of another nation without occupation and colonisation. This is a leftist fantasy that has never once occurred in history or prehistory.
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>>14893312
>>14893288
>>14893184
Gauls contributed half of the autosomal dna in britons. Specially those from England and Wales 

>who arrived at this time and over previous centuries, and who were genetically most similar to ancient individuals from France. >These migrants contributed about half the ancestry of people of England and Wales from the Iron Age, thereby creating a plausible vector for the spread of early Celtic languages into Britain.

But only 10%-15% of the YDNA.
It means celtic languages in britain are the result of a migration of celts that would eventually getting conquered and raped by the Britons. With the rapebabies adopting the language of the women that raised their children
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>>14893396
i see you point but...
The ruling elite would have likely been celts or adopted celtic culture and we're probably looking at changes over decades if not centuries, these cultures would have been celticisied over a period of time not over night
and i do agree that it is fantasy to assume that this was all sunshine and roses, huggy and lovey dovey as the celtic culture still replaced and earlier one and would have likley put down any resistance if it appeared 
my point was, that i may have oversimplified desu, is that they didnt conquer in the traditional sense like the romans
the most comman one was probably through migration where they set off, picked up people along the way and converted the people in the destination to celtic culture
genetic evidence shows the vast majority of people in celtic northern italy are the same as those before
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>>14893418
>that would eventually getting conquered and raped by the Britons. With the rapebabies adopting the language of the women that raised their children
Not strictly necessary, Y-DNA underachievement is consistent with Celtic culture as described here >>14892270, even if odd.
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>>14893419
I would still call that conquest, just in the form taken by a somewhat-mobile tribal culture. Germanics and Slavs worked the same way, but better.
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>>14893418
>celts that would eventually getting conquered and raped by the Britons
do you mean saxons or pre-celtic britons as britons (brittonic peoples) themselves were celts?
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>>14893419
Its weird because elite burials in iron and bronze age britain still R1b-L21. Also considered the Celtic social patterns (ckan based societies with division based on clans) the celtic ydna should be widespread while actually is rather low.
Ita a more plausible scenario that celts spread through cultural difusion and migration without discarding that the later would end with the conquest of the Celtic migrants and the assimilation of their culture.
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>>14893443
There is a curious thing and is that insular celtic languages are the most divergent branch. For some reason gaulish(the branch that would precede britonnic assumed this migration) is more similar to noric (southeastern celtic from austria) than it is to brittonic. While temporarily speaking the divergence time from noric should be more higher than from brittonic for gaulish.
I wonder to which extent is goidelic and brittonic a creolle or of it actually diffused before
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>>14893473
>I wonder to which extent is goidelic and brittonic a creolle or of it actually diffused before
you mention that the sentance structure differs in insular languages and i know irish contains some words have and etymology not found in other celtic languages and im sure the same could be said for the other insular languages also
i find the whole p vs q, insular vs continental divisions quite interesting
--- 14893587
If you've never read Asterix & Obelix you have no say or opinion about the continental Celts, at all.
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>>14893473
>(the branch that would precede britonnic assumed this migration)
Gaulish would have presumably mutated as such after the invasion of Britain already took place, Proto-Celtic/Common Celtic did not immediately dissolve upon formation, and the continental languages would be more similar to each other due to continuity while Britain is cut off by sea.
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>>14893656
britain isnt exactly cut off though,
the armorican people of north west gaul had large ships and their was constant cross channel traid
 archaeologists in france excavating a gaulish (armorican) settlement in brittany found roundhouses alongside the normal square gaulish houses, which suggests an insular prescence
i cant remeber the exact findings but iirc the roundhouses were in a seperate 'district' to the normal square ones, howere im not 100% sure
they did find brittonic dna from some of the skeletons but im afraid i dont remeber any more specific details
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>>14893656
but even then britonnic should resemble gaulish more than noric does, given the divergence dates. yet gaulish resemble more other continental languages than it resembles brittonic
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>>14892131 (OP)
SPQR
--- 14894096
How could a people who never existed fall from grace?
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>>14892179
>proto-celtic coalesced around the Atlantic coast about a thousand years before most academics assume (bronze age not iron age) and gradually spread eastwards across the continent (very fat east eventually)
>this is why their modern successors exist where they do, it's basically their urheimat
This is what celtaboos actually believe
Complete and utter delusion
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>>14892131 (OP)
Why has northern scotland been left out, the caledonians and later picts were brittonic celts?
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>>14894104
Picts were goths
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>>14892197
Actually there is, the R1b clades in the Rhineland are downstream from a Beaker find on the coast of France.
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>>14894233
we wuz bullshit.
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>>14894233
no they weren't, the picts were brittonic celts the closet living language is welsh, they followed celtic customs and relgion

picts have been subject to a lot of historical revisionism, as people try to use them for their political aims
>Picts were goths
this idea was favoured and spread by the lowland scots who culturally descend from the saxons, they thought the picts being of germanic extraction gave legitimacy to their dominance of scotland, 'it was once ruled by germanics and it is so again'

>picts were non-indoeuropean
used by pro scottish independence supporters in the past to claim that the picts were so alien, so different, special and different that scotland has always been seperate from everything and should be again

>picts were gaelic
used by scotish nationalists who dont like the idea that the picts are culturally and linguisticly extinct, now that all scottish people fully embrace highland scottish culture as their own (despite the fact the lowland scots saw it as disgusting and primitive), they dont like the idea of highland scottish culture coming over one day from ireland and they certainly ignore the saxon origins of the lowland scottish culture
they believe that the picts spoke a Q insular celtic language like irish or scottish gaelic and are the true cultural ancestors to the modern scot

>picts were blue naked barbarian hoards who zergrushed their enemies
pure fiction
--- 14894382
The Picts were Gaelic
Dalriata was a Pictish fief
You lost incel
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>>14894382
>The Picts were Gaelic
how come pictish is a brittonic language
--- 14894430
Evidence for Picts disappearing
Latin usage stopped using the term Pict while vernacular people continued to refer to the people as Albannach, despite the fact this is inadvertently evidence against them not being Gaelic 
A book written 150 years after Kenneth MacAlpin claims he wiped out every single Pict and coincidentally the writer was also racist to the people in Scotland because they practiced different Christian customs
Some placenames in Scotland are supposedly non-Gaelic and all the Gaelic names outside Argyll would have been rapidly introduced after MacAlpin

Evidence for it being Gaelic 
Every inscription in Scotland that is fully understood is in Gaelic or Latin
Many Pictish names can only be from Gaelic 
One chronicle records the Pictish kingdom totally destroyed Dalriata 
For at least two generations after MacAlpin the Pictish law of succession is still in place
There no archaeological evidence for a genocide that would have had to been greater than that of the Anglo-Saxons
There are Gaelic inscriptions in Shetland 
Welsh books occasionally call the Picts Gaels and the Pictish origin myth implies they spoke Gaelic and did not speak a language like Welsh
The best Irish chronicles do not record any conquest done by MacAlpin 
King Ciric of Pictland was recorded to have seperated the Pictish church from the Dalriadan 40 years after MacAlpine
An army that fought a Norwegian raider was described as Pictish after MacAlpin
The evidence that records a supposed Dalriadan conquest is so late that it is almost worthless
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>>14894296
>non-Indo-European 
First suggested by a Welshman
>>14894296
>goths
First suggested by an Orcadian who still identified with Norway
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>>14894430
please explain the brittonic place names in formally pictish areas, please explain the brittonic resembling pictish loan words is scottish gealic
please explain why scottish academics consider it brittoni
and the welsh was prydyn coming from pretani meaning british
the irish word for pict was cruithni coming from qritani which orginates from the same sources as above
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>>14894483
>the brittonic place names in formally pictish areas
Please list ones you want me to explain 
>, please explain the brittonic resembling pictish loan words is scottish gealic
Above
>please explain why scottish academics consider it brittoni
Because some 19th century linguists decided it
In the 60s-90s people considered pictish to Basque
Modern scholars easily change
And we'll done ignoring all other points
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>>14894465
>Orcadian larping as norse
amazing. But also, Oh yeah I forgot those islands were settler colonized by the norse.
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>>14894247
>>14894296
>>14894483
>>14894500
picts were goths
>And that these few Welsh names in Scotland are most easily accounted for because they are either very ancient as those of rivers and mountains especially and perhaps of some towns and in that case remains of the old Celtic inhabitants or less ancient as some of towns and villages which arose from churches founded by Welsh clergymen Having thus it is hoped satisfactorily answered the whole arguments if they deserve that name for the Piks being Welsh I shall give the reader an abstract of invincible authorities and facts shewing that they were not Welsh and then leaving this controversy proceed to detail the real origin of the Piks 1 Tacitus says that the Caledonians or Piks were of Germany as he judged from their red hair and other marks that they were Germans The Scandinavians ever have been and are remarkable for red hair as are the other Germans The Welsh and Irish are a black haired race These marks in the days of Tacitus were as decisive as that the African blacks have curled hair the Indian lank hair 2 Eumenius tells that in the time of Julius Cæsar the Piks were the accustomed enemies of the Britons Could the Britons or Welsh be the accustomed enemies of themselves 3 Ammianus Marcellinus mentions the Piks along with the Saxons and other foreign nations who in fested the Britons 4 Gildas says the Piks came ab aquilone from the north to infest the Britons and always speaks of them as quite a different people Had they been really of his own Welsh countrymen what food for declamations had their cruelty to their own brethren been 5 Adomnan who about 690 wrote the Life of Columba the apostle of the Piks mentions that he had an interpreter between him and that people Columba was an Irishman so that the Piks could not be Gael and even from this they would seem not Cumri for we find Patrick a Cumraig preached to the Irish without an interpreter as may be seen in
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>>14894535
>interpreter is mentioned 6 Beda a writer eminently learned and superior to his age tells us the Piks came from Scythia as the Britons from Gaul and the Old Scots from Ireland Jornandes and most writers of the dark ages call Scandinavia Scythia and they thought the most ancient Scythians came from it Beda also says there were in his time five languages in Britain Latin English Pikish Scotish British 7 Nennius and Samuel who both lived and wrote in conjunction in 858 tell that the Piks came from the Orkneys about 300 years before Christ These writers were both Welsh and their testimony is conclusive that the Piks were not Welsh for they speak of the Piks while the Pikish name was in full power and mention the Piks as a people spreading in their own time from Galloway to the Orkneys 8 The Saxon Chronicle and whole writers of England and Wales and Scotland and Ireland preceding Camden amounting to perhaps a hundred of all ages who mention the Piks uniformly derive them from Scandinavia and the Orkneys 9 Giraldus Cambrensis positively calls the Piks gentem Gothicam a Gothic nation Even Geofrey of Monmouth says expressly that the Piks came from Scythia to the north of Britain and so downward And he ever describes them as quite a different people from the Welsh for which reason and as he founded a new school in English history he is quoted For though a fabulist he could not be ignorant if the Piks were Welsh or not as they existed in his time under their old name as appears from English writers of the War of the Standard 10 The Piks are uniformly mentioned by all ancient writers who speak of them though without telling their origin as a distinct peculiar people neitherWelsh nor Irish nor Gaelic but as different from either as English from Welsh
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>>14894538
>11 The monuments of the Piks the Piks houses & c can neither be found in Wales nor Ireland though in the Orkneys many exist and some in Scandinavia 12 Nennius and Samuel avouch the Piks to have held their usual territory in 858 The Irish Annals of Tighernac and Ulster mention Kenneth and his successors down to Donal II 894 as kings of the Piks Ailred Richard of Hexham and other contemporary writers assert that at the War of the Standard 1138 the Piks claimed the first place in the Scotish army as their ancient right Now the west being given to the Irish the Piks were latterly inhabitants of the north east and south of Scotland as all know the people of which to this day are quite a distinct race from the Highlanders of the west And the language of these parts was always Gothic as innumerable names of places remain to shew and as it is at this day More arguments might be adduced but these are sufficient as they admit of no answer save by rejecting all ancient authorities and facts that is building romance on the ruins of history For he who denies ancient authorities and prefers his own conjectures is a fabulist and not a historian It also deserves remark that of modern authors those confessedly the most eminent for learning have always asserted the Piks to have come from Scandinavia.
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>>14894500
>and the welsh was prydyn coming from pretani meaning british
>the irish word for pict was cruithni coming from qritani which orginates from the same sources as above
interesting you ignore the above

>the brittonic place names in formally pictish areas
caer meaning fort/stronghold - Cardean, Carey, Cargill, Carmurie, Carpow, Carpoway, Crail, Kair, Keir, Kercock, Kirkbuddo, Kirkcaldy, Caerlaverock
pen meaning hill/top/head/cheif - Pandewen, Pennan, Pinderachy, Pinnel 
dol meaning field - Dalfouper, Dallas, Dallasbraughty, Doll, Dollar, Dull 
mign meaning swamp - Dalmigavie, Meckphen, Meigle, Megen, Megevie, Meggen, Meggernie, Midmar, Midstrath, Migdale, Migger, Migvie, Strathmiglo 
coed meaning forrest/wood - Catochil, Inchkeith, Keith, Keith Lundie, Keithack, Keithick, Keithmore, Keithny, Keithney, Keithock, Kitattie, Rothket 
tref meaning settlement - Cantray, Cantress, Menstrie, Montrave, Rattray, Tramaud, Trefor, Trefynie, Trostrie, Troustrie 
bryn meaning hill - Burnbane, Burnturk, Newburn, Strathburn
pant meaning hollow - Panbride, Panholes, Panlathy, Panmure, Pannanich
llannerch meaning clearing - Landrick, Lanrick, Lendrick

Aberdeen means mouth of the River Don - Welsh aber
Cupar means confluence - Welsh cymer
Kirkcald means place of the hard fort from caer - fort and caled - hard
Perth means wood/grove - Welsh perth
Yell means unfruitful land - Welsh iâl
Caledonia - hard - Welsh Caled

>please explain the brittonic resembling pictish loan words is scottish gealic
preas - bush/thicket - Welsh prys
bad - cluster - Breton bod
pailt - plentiful - Cornish pals and Welsh pallt
bagaid - cluster/troop - Welsh bagad
dail - meadow - Welsh dôl
monadh - mountain, moor - Welsh mynydd
mormaer - earl - Welsh mawr + maer
peasg - gash - Welsh pisg
peit - small area of ground - Welsh peth)
pòr - crops - Welsh pawr
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>>14894577
>interesting you ignore the above
What is it meant to prove?
>caer
Gaelic cathair pronounce ca-ir
>penn
Every one is used differently so they aren't the same word and the places they are used, like the majority of these words, would have been lost if Dalriadans conquered Pictland
But for pinnan this is pretty clearly the Gaelic Binnean meaning "peak" or just curved hill
>dol
This is a Gaelic word too so the point is null
>mign
None of them actually record this and most make no sense at all given the places they are in
>tref
Gaelic treabh is the same
>Pan
There are many things these could be and none of them could be "hollow"
>aber
Nothing about this prohibits it being Gaelic and there is an example of it on the west coast of Scotland
There is no chance it could survive there from a pre-Gaelic or norse settlement
The rest are just inane and not worth anything

The question is how could any of these survive a genocidal conquest which would have had to have resulted in entire counties being cleared of people districts?
This question cannot be answered.
For the last list after seeing mormhair used as an example I can see it would be fruitless to criticise it.
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>>14894577
So my turn.
You explain this
Every inscription in Scotland that is fully understood is in Gaelic or Latin 
Many Pictish names can only be from Gaelic
One chronicle records the Pictish kingdom totally destroyed Dalriata and annexed it into Pictland 
For at least two generations after MacAlpin the Pictish law of succession is still in place
There no archaeological evidence for a genocide that would have had to been greater than that of the Anglo-Saxons
There are Gaelic inscriptions in Shetland
Welsh books occasionally call the Picts Gaels and the Pictish origin myth implies they spoke Gaelic and did not speak a language like Welsh
The best Irish chronicles do not record any conquest done by MacAlpin
King Ciric of Pictland was recorded to have seperated the Pictish church from the Dalriadan 40 years after MacAlpine
An army that fought a Norwegian raider was described as Pictish after MacAlpin
The evidence that records a supposed Dalriadan conquest is so late that it is almost worthless
Even cymric supporters suppose that Kenneth had a Pictish mother which would make him a Pict
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>>14894577
also lets look at some pictish personal names
Ciniod - containd iod which is brittonnic meaning lord - Welsh udd
Mailcon - Noble dog - Welsh Maelgwn
Resad - related to Welsh Rhys and Gaulish Ressatus

>The question is how could any of these survive a genocidal conquest which would have had to have resulted in entire counties being cleared of people districts?
>This question cannot be answered.

The Picts werent genocided they were assimilated

>how could any of these survive a genocidal conquest which would have had to have resulted in entire counties being cleared of people districts?
how many rivers in england are still called avon long after the romans and the saxons conquered
how many countles place names engaland have a birttonic origin

>>14894661
>>14894668
Both of you are ignoring the work of academics because it doesnt fit your own idea, let me know when your ideas get accepted by anyone of note
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>>14894661
no one cares man
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>>14894688
>Mailcon - Noble dog - Welsh Maelgwn
That's Gaelic as well
Mal and con are both attested in Gaelic
>ciniod
From cin and aedh it means "rising flame"
Idk about resad
>The Picts werent genocided they were assimilated
Not according to all medieval records which made this idea
You can't pick and choose like that
>>14894688
>rivers
These are notorious across the world for keeping their names
Small towns full of people that must have been killed aren't
>the work of academics
all of my knowledge is from academics
All of yours is copy and pasted from Wikipedia
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>>14894702
"please explain the brittonic place names in"
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>>14894236
>R1b clades in the Rhineland are downstream from a Beaker find on the coast of France.
no they aren't, r1b clades of rhineland are downstream from a corded ware guy from central europe and after that found in neolithic period sweden, then in bell beaker netherlands
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>>14894774
>>14894236
btw neolithic as in dagger period/CWC, not ""neolithic"" as in farmer
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>>14894736
>>14894729
>>14894702
>>14894688
>>14894668
>>14894661
>>14894577
>It has been amply shewn that the Piks were a Gothic people and the inhabitants of all present Scotland and its isles The Gaël or Celts in Scotland do not now exceed one quarter of the people The Lowlanders of Scotland amount to two thirds of its inhabitants Of the other third being Highlanders and people of the Isles a great part consists of Goths though now using the Celtic tongue For the Old Scots who came into Argyle in 503 were from the north of Ireland and were mixt with Crutheni or Piks inhabitants of these parts though the tongue had been lost in the surrounding Celtic In the Hebudes and in Argyle and the north of Scotland the Norwegians were lords for four centuries from the ninth and they in like manner lost their speech among the more numerous Celts When these parts returned to the Scotish crown the inhabitants remained as before The chief families in the Highlands are all of Norwegian extract The Celtic Mac is nothing it is the name itself we must judge from Thus the Mac Leods are so called from Liod Earl of Orkney: the Mac Sweyns Mac Neils with a score of others all bear the Mac with a Norwegian name Even when the second name is Celtic it was often taken by a Norwegian to gratify his subjects or bestowed by a Highland bard as the Mac Donalds are known to be direct male descendants of Reginald Earl of Orkney These Highland bards it is well known will alter a plain Gothic name to a Celtic one in a moment and are very ready in aspersing people with this honour A part of the Isles still speaks the Gothic tongue namely the whole Orkney and Shetland Isles The other parts speak Gaëlic but of them a great part are Goths though their speech be lost in that of the most numerous people
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>>14894736
you've been posting this shit for years and no one believes you or cares you're a figure of ridicule and known boardwide as a meme get a life you freak
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>>14894836
okay so you can't actual rebuke anything i've posted 
i accept your concession
and also stop pretending anyone but you cares about this
you're obsessed
you need help
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>>14892131 (OP)
Africa if you genuinely belive Afrocentrist view of history (despite the fact modern middle class africans have better living standard then the richest pre-colonial king)
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>>14894101
No, that is what retarded larpers with 0% Celtic ancestry actually believe. Now we know the Irish are 0% Celtic genetically they only speak the language of invading Celts.
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>>14895642
>they only speak the language of invading Celts.
Uh... anon...
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>>14894236
No, they aren't, and in fact R1b-p312 diversity is highest around the Rhine. (Steppe) Bell Beaker begins archeologically around the Rhine. Steppe ancestry is highest radiating from the Rhine outward etc.
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>>14895804
No, diversity for subclades of R1b-p312 are found in the Netherlands and British Isles, with more basal P312 itself being from France.
>Bell Beaker begins at the Rhine
no, it is clearly from a migration out of Germany and Poland from early Corded Ware who expanded in less than a hundred years across Western Europe replacing or ruling Megalithic peoples.
>steppe ancestry is highest from the Rhine outward
Its highest in North Eastern Germany and retained a level of purity in the British isles.
Celtic culture is simply northern post beaker it didnt "spread"
It would be like saying American culture spread from Texas to California in 1950 because California began making cowboy films.
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>>14895804
 So Luxenburger steppe beakers -> belgium celts -> Irish celts ?
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>>14895876
The Rhine is in the Netherlands and British Beakers are from the Rhine.
>basal P312 itself being from France
this doesn't exist, post the sample id
>no, it is clearly from a migration out of Germany and Poland from early Corded Ware who expanded in less than a hundred years across Western Europe replacing or ruling Megalithic peoples.
Bell Beaker typology develops out of Single Grave wares. Regardless, it's from the east, not the atlantic coast.
>Its highest in North Eastern Germany and retained a level of purity in the British isles.
The highest Steppe samples in bell beaker contexts are Dutch Beakers.
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>>14895893
what does this mean
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>>14895890
I don't think Celts are directly from Beakers, but emerges much later from Bell Beaker descendant R-L2 people.
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>>14895904
The estimated effective migration surface of Ireland and Britain from 1803 Irish and British individuals. Shown are the posterior mean migration rates of the six independent EEMS chains

The low density is posterior migration, if I interpreted that correctly. 

so basically celts are iron age mutts or??
The blue is of the original megalithic culture.
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>>14894830
Celticists absolutely obliterated
--- 14896543
What modern populations have the most Celtic ancestry?
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>>14892131 (OP)
>Celtic thread
>Retards saying yoooo they be megalith people from the Atlantic
>Hablogrubs retards galore
>Yoooo nigga, picts were goths and shit (even though goths didn't even fucking exist in 250bc) retards
>"The celts didn't even exist" retards

Ahh, another day in /his/.
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>>14896790
Can you read you dumb fking nigger?
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>>14895904
They expanded out of the Alps to conquer the entire Bell Beaker network and enslaved them.
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>>14896790
Subhuman Germutt Anglos have a special interest in "disproving" anything good about the Celts. They love using Victorian schizo sources for their claims that they're actually Cimmerian Israelites rather than enslaved mongrels.
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>>14892131 (OP)
>R1b expansion
Ftfy. We literally control the world btw
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>>14897480
R1b was already widespread.
In fact celts failed to expand much paternally. They only expanded arround the alps where they were already majority.
 A bit into balkans.... then southwards jnto iberia... a little bit into central france, in belgium its proxied maternally (belgium dominant ydna always was r1b-u106).. thats it. In britain and northern france celtic culture was proxied maternally as dominant ydna is r1b-l21 in spite of being half celtic autosomally
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Picts = Gaelic
--- 14897487
>>14892179
Mental illness
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>>14897485
A purely linguistic distinction. R1b has ruled the world for thousands of years.
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*ahem*

maritime Bell Beakers

>The earliest copper production in Ireland, identified at Ross Island in the period 2400–2200 BC, was associated with early Beaker pottery.[2][25] Here, the local sulpharsenide ores were smelted to produce the first copper axes used in Britain and Ireland.[2] The same technologies were used in the Tagus region and in the west and south of France.[2][26] The evidence is sufficient to support the suggestion that the initial spread of Maritime Bell Beakers along the Atlantic and into the Mediterranean, using sea routes that had long been in operation, was directly associated with the quest for copper and other rare raw materials.[2]
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>>14896790
>>14897322
the irish seethe hard when they find out the group that they've been LARPing as for hundreds of years never existed and was invented in the 18th century
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>>14897486
picts=gothic
>Tacitus the first writer who mentions the people of Caledonia or Piks expresses his opinion that they were of German origin Beda tells us they came from Scythia a name which Jornandes about 530 had given to Scandinavia and which continued to be applied to that country till the eleventh century when the special denominations of Denmark Sweden and Norway became known to all Europe All the other ancient writers who mention the origin of the Piks derive them from Scandinavia so that no doubt can remain save with such superficial writers as speak of opinions when they should speak of facts and prefer their own weak conceits to that positive evidence upon which alone all ancient history stands Indeed to judge from reason only it might readily be inferred that the Piks a people as all the ancients shew quite different from the old Scots or Irish and from the old Britons or Welsh as possessing North Britain could only originate from a country near to North Britain as Norway is And when reason and ancient authorities thus coalesce they constitute that highest degree of historical truth which even approaches to mathematical demonstration In Scandinavia therefore that large peninsular track including Norway Sweden and a part of Denmark we are to look for the Piks and while we find a people of the same name in the south of Norway the part next to Scotland the evidence becomes as complete as human history can afford
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>>14897322
>>14898437
The Irish are buck broken for having the culture and language of their Celtic masters, but the English are actual cuckolds who got their indigenous L21 lineages extinct and replaced by Germano-Celtic ones.
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>>14898455
>Germano-Celtic
R1b-u106 is Bell beaker/dagger period scandinavian.
English are 40% scandinavian, 20% bell beaker 40% gaulish according to the anglosaxon paper
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>>14892131 (OP)
The Greeks. Culturally, influentially, just in every way imaginable.
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>>14898464
English aren't even 20% Scandinavian or Gaulish. They're descended from indigenous British Isles populations like the rest of the British isles. They're identical to the Welsh except for 2% Norwegian and of course lacking their original L21 after the hard rape they got from Romans, France, Germany and Norway.
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>>14898485
>>14898485
>English aren't even 20% Scandinavian or Gaulish. They're descended from indigenous British Isles populations like the rest of the British isles
Lol no they arent. Red is scandinavian/dutch
Green is french iron age/gaul
If anything english being 40% Gaul autosomaly but less than 13% r1b-u152/df27 of the french subclades is gauls getting cucked

Romans left 0 genetic inpact in britain
Sorry
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>>14898497
This is referring to U106 French rape of L21 English women. Actual Celts have 0% French ancestry according to that.
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>>14893418
Study?
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>>14898497
Study?
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>>14898507
>U106 French
French are not u106. U106 is a north sea germanic subclade found in dutch, Flemish, danes and norwegians. If anything again. It suggest r1b-u152 french gauls handed their women to U106 Men..
British are autosomally less or at best 30% beaker
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>>14898539
Gaulish samples had U152, U106, and DF27. Modern French have U106 and they're the ones who raped the L21 out of England.
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>>14898546
Nope. Not a single r1b-u106 was found west of the rhine (except on britain) before the iron age crossing of the rhine

R1b-u106 represents less than 10% of modern french ydna
Sorry. It means french gaulish women were handed to u106 men from england.
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>>14898557
Nope. Not a single r1b-u106 was found west of the rhine (except in France) before the iron age crossing of the rhine.

Are you saying the Gaulish(France_IA) migration occurred after the Anglo-Saxons arrived?
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>>14898539
The French are Germanic, the Gaul LARP is a post WW2 thing.
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>>14898574
r1b-u106 was never found in france before the crossing of the rhine :(((
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>>14898583
R1b-u106 was never found in Britain before the crossing of the rhine :(((

It was first brought by French and Germans, unless you're saying the Gaulish migration occurred after the German Anglo-Saxons arrived?
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>>14898594
nope, R1b-u106 is from bell beakers from the netherlands and scandinavian CWC :(((, it means is a beaker haplo so it can be carried by british beakers :(
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>>14898658
>it means is a beaker haplo 
Yes that's why Celts had it and 0 British samples had it prior to Celts conquering the British Isles.
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>>14898578
French are mostly EEF like meds and unlike germanics.
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>>14899576
Nah, they have the same amount of EEF as Germans. 

The Frankish Empire people's are all the same
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>>14899343
>conquering
All Celtic admixture in the British isles or rather continental admixture prior to the Anglo-Saxons is maternal.
Even after the Anglo Saxons R1b L21 JOMON dominates the male lines in the British isles.
Not only did early Anglo Saxons outnumber Britons, they completely jobbed to them.
The Welsh themselves are 50% Anglo-Saxon and 95% L21, a result of taking too many women from the "English".
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>>14900036
cope
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>>14900036
Welsh are not even 20% anglosaxon >>1489849 only eastern Welsh. Who are anglosaxon rapebabies effectively
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>>14892131 (OP)
:'(
--- 14900151
>>14899596
No, germans are mostly yamnaya while french are mostly eef
--- 14900183
>>14900151
I'm gonna delete that fucking website if you retards keep misusing it.

The _ percentage is utterly meaningless. Your farher is only 50% related to you, doesn't mean you're another ethnicity.
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>>14900183
>Your farher is only 50% related to you, doesn't mean you're another ethnicity.
Yes it does. 

Also, ethnicity = culture, race = genes
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>>14893301
>conquer shitholes and deserts
>make them into "proper" nations
>change your mind, give them independence and then leave
wtf britain
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>>14900151
French have 7% more EEF thaan germans
But 10% more yamnaya than the northernmost meds/africans
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>>14900120
Vgh…land once dogger bank to Alaska
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>>14900041
>>14900050
no, Welsh have 45-50% non-British DNA which comes from Continentals, it first appeared in the Iron Age during the migration era and increased over time as contact with the Saxons went on, however Welsh Y DNA has remained heavily R1b L21.

robust heavy bearded powerfully built muscular broad shouldered Silurae spread their WHG (hyper autochthonous) derived curly hair to those "fair" english "roses" while saxon 'men' watched in horror as the Sons of Taranis dominated and subjugated that semi-aquatic continental fauna.
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>>14900198
ethnicity is ancestry, you have no idea what ethnicity is.
>no its culture
What identity is, is a question of popular opinion, and you are not inline with the popular opinion.
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>>14900253
you will never be celtic
keep making up deranged sexual fantasies though
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>>14900253
>British
>Starts fantsizing about black skinned, curly haired, muscular men out of blue

Never change
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>>14900303
I am Celtic Jomon.
>>14900443
>black skinned
who? Saxon Oranges who turn swarthy in the sun?
>curly haired
curly, not kinky, exclusively Europeans have curly hair which retains its lush ringlets, whereas other races have kinky negro hair even when their hair is wavy its stringy.
>muscular men
average celt
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>>14900623
The minds of everyone in this thread are very swarthy.
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>>14900623
Mental illness
You will never be celtic
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>>14901655
Who are the Celts then?
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>>14901715
they never existed
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>>14901753
Isn't mental illness and i say that in jest anon.

g gauls are what we'd consider celts.
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>>14892571
What could have been...
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>>14900203
>10% more yamnaya
3% in south france
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>>14892131 (OP)
India
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>>14902361
Who cares about those. Is like picking brittany to prove something
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>>14901820
they never existed
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>>14903656
National haplo grouping
>no "celtic" grouping

This sounds like butthurt Anglo rapprochement . Just because there isn't a "Celtic" grouping doesn't mean the Britons scotts irish cormwals dutch don't share genetic affinity. 

also can you link the study pretty pwz
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>>14892131 (OP)

> Name a bigger fall from grace.

Not even a fucking contest.
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>>14904007
>dutch
wat? dutch are germanics
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>>14904024

look >>14903656

maybe you are conflating Dutch with the Flemish, Who clearly never existed.
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>>14892131 (OP)
>Name a bigger fall from grace.

Scythian steppe dominance