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Lets be frenly edition

Resource on what these spec terminology mean
https://www.nite-walker.com/post/2019/11/21/specs-for-dummies-101
https://apollogearco.com/blogs/news/night-vision-specs-explained
https://gloomgroup.com/blogs/night-vision-info/night-vision-specifications-understanding-what-they-mean

You shouldn't be chasing for spec values but they do exist and if you wanted to know what "better spec" values are there's a way to know which unit is desirable over another.
Most retailers won't post this info as they build NVDs to order, first come first serve, and depending on their grading scale of high, mid, low tier it may differ from retailers. If a retailer offer a “ready to ship” fully built units they will list the spec values. Hand select is an option from retailers that will try to match to your spec requirements.

Some reputable retailers:
https://www.jrhenterprises.com/
https://nvisionoptics.com/
https://www.customnightvision.com/
https://gooningear.com/
https://apollogearco.com
https://blackphasetactical.com/
https://steeleindustries.com/

SNR: signal to noise ratio, the amount of signal the tube can make compared to the noise
EBI: equivalent background information, how much false image appears in the screen through which the actual image has to show, sort of a noise floor of sorts
Halo: How big the circle of bloom is around lights
Photocathode Sensitivity: How sensitive the photocathode is
LP Resolution: Line pair res of the center of the image as measure against a standardized chart

If one spec is shit it negates the rest, if you have a halo of 2.0 it kinda fucks on an EBI of 0.20 if you want to do any kind of shooting and it's all a balance game

The numbers to meet or beat are
EBI under 1, preferably under 0.6 being great, 0.1 is gucci
Halo under 1, anything under 0.7 is awesome
SNR, over 25 anything over 30 is gucci
Photocathode, 1900+ is pretty great, 2500+ is stellar
Resolution of 64+ is good, 72+ is gucci
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>>57836283 (OP)
>tfw can go shooting at night any time I want within 10 minutes
I love living out West, the perfect place for NVG use.
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>>57836677
blessed anon with blessed digits
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Maybe it was a mistake ordering a chink helmet for shits and giggles
>still hasn't arrived
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>>57836677
baaaaased
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>>57837277
Did you take the Chink Caiman bump pill? I got mine after two weeks.
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>>57837455
>>57837277
You guys really bought chinese helmets, you could have gotten a surplus galvion for 350. If one of you is the idiot from gq fuck you. You scoffed when i suggested a galvion surplus helmet because people laughed at you when you said you were gonna buy one from alibaba, you were too stupid to understand that they were telling you noo and saying you were stupid and making fun of you because you were buying it from alibaba dipshit not because galvion is a bad brand. In the end looks like you still bought the alibaba helmet.
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>>57837690
>surplus galvion for 350
Is that for a bump helmet? Because that would be a killer deal for a ballistic helmet.
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>>57837690
For dudes that just want something to hang their nv off of, its hard to argue with chinkshit. It doesn't matter how good a deal for a ballistic may be, if you don't need it then its dead weight vs a simple plastic bump.
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>>57837701
The surplus ballistics from CNV/Kosher
https://www.customnightvision.com/product-category/military-surplus/surplus-helmets/
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>>57837716
you can get a Team Wendy bump for 300 and it has very good head adjustment and mounting capabilities.
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>>57837888
checked, people shouldn't scoff at the price for equipment that is PPE and is expected to be worn for 8+ hours if you're going beyond casual larp.
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>>57837888
I like TW bumps and think they are the best overall package of the name brand bumps, but I'm not going to pretend that a $50 chinese caiman knockoff isn't a decent option for casuals looking to pinch pennies.
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>>57837933
N49 brother!
Love this ballistic helmet, so damn light weight.
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>>57837965
i wish there was a bump helmet without holes in the top. it pisses me off how they're all the same. my ops core ballistic helmet does a great job keeping rain off of me. these bumps would all be an absolute disaster in rain.
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>>57838243
>i wish there was a bump helmet without holes in the top
The PTS Flux and its genuine counterpart {MTEK Flux Carbon-S) don't have holes. The retention on them doesn't seem as nice as TW though.
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>>57837965
If you're trying to be cheap night vision isn't the hobby for you
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>>57838538
youre gonna trigger the gen1 shizos by saying stuff like that
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>>57837965
>>57838538

You could always go full Sportsman's Guide SEPT2, empty shells start at like $20 or so. Add some Amazon parts and some drilling, and you've got a literal IIA-ish PASGT clone with a cheap shroud for around $60-70. Also pic related if you want cheap NV. It's crappy compared to even Gen 2 but hell it's all well under $200, what do you expect?
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>>57838538
I mean, you can build a 10s clap trap foxbody for cheap or buy a new ZR1. At the end of the day they both run 10s, just one does it with a lot better road manners, performance beyond just straight line speed, and reliability.
There is no reason to gatekeep folks with a cheap 14 into having to spend several hundred or more on accessories just to get out and shoot with it. There are circumstances where buying good gear is important, but that doesn't mean everyone needs it.
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>>57838538
>hobby
>/k/
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What's the / k/onsensus on the Steiner Otal-C IR? I saw one for $600 a few weeks ago and I missed the opportunity to snag it. Are they at least good enough.
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>>57839934
Its a pretty decent when paired with a Kiji or similar IR illuminator head. Other than that you can have the same performance and save money with a holosun LS221.
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>>57837690
You're the downie who still doesn't understand the difference between a bump helmet and a ballistic one.
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>>57837888
Yeah but I can get the bump helmet from China for less than 1/3rd the cost and the only thing I need it to do is protect against accidentally bumping against branches when hiking at night.
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>>57838538
There's no reason to not save money when practical, within reason. People excused TNVC's jewry with the same explanation. This general never would have found the Laserspeed if people didn't want to save some money compared to the overpriced accessory market that normie NVG uses know about.
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>>57840299
there's a diff between saving on something that's going to be protecting your head and you're going to be wearing for hours vs. saving on a piece of metal or 3d printed mount.
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>>57840353
It does protect my head from basic bumps, which is all I need it to do. The suspension is very comfy.
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>>57839934
>Are they at least good enough?
Yeah, but not worth that much. I bought mine at 330 USD and thought that it was an OK deal. At 600? No thanks. They do work.
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Story time, faggots. Also a practical application of martial arts. I was stopped at a juncture and had to reset some gear. My buddy apparently took false cues from me that it was OK to fuck around where we were and almost fell off of a five foot dropoff onto concrete. I was pivoting side to side and he took that it was safe to blindly waddle about. I was using The Star of Cali. You keep your feet where they are at all times while kneeling, only pivoting to turn to face another direction. You do not shuffle. You do not slide. You do not step. You do not leave your position. You do not fall off of the edge. Especially given the handicap that we place on ourselves working in the dark like we do, we need to be especially cognizant of terrain issues that can bite us and, if we cannot keep track of where our feet are going then we need to be able to lock them to Mother Earth. End of rant. Carry on, boys.
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>>57842512
You need better friends
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>>57837690
If chinkshit fit my fat fucking head I'd probably get that too but it doesn't so I have to spend a ridiculous amount of money on a piece of plastic with some foam and velcro. 
I just try to take some comfort in the fact that for the most part these are 'buy once cry once' pieces of kit.
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>>57842630
What's your hat size?
--- 57842759
What about PVS-69s? Anyone built a pair?
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>>57842759
Funny, I saw that model name for a thread on arfcom and didn’t think much about it but it looks pretty interesting https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/PVS-69-Digital-Pass-or-Try-it-out-/18-543659/
It probably is using the same digital NV sensor of this build or have similar performance https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MthrbR4_UAk [Embed]
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Anyone have experience with the SOTAC KIJI replica? I want it for my helmet, not a rifle setup. I remember an anon posting about a knockoff a while ago, but it's lost in time. 

https://www.specprecision.com/en/tactical-flashlights/514-584-sotac-bem-kiji-k1-infrared-laser-ir-illuminator-k1-10-perfect-replica.html#/46-color-fde
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>>57843490
I’ve only seen it’s performance compared to a legit kiji in this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubZ9Xnpodg, [Embed] the knockoff is not very good at trying to replicate the legit kiji. Unless you just want it because it looks like the real thing, I would get something else that is cheaper like an ultrafire ir flashlight.
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>>57842684
I'm the retard who got an XL ops core bump, thought it was too big so I exchanged for an L and can't fit into that without taking out all the pads.
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>>57844725
The ultrafire is way too big to be helmet mounted. It's pretty comically sized. I'm gonna return mine.
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>>57845147
Not him but I went with a Surefire 6P housing with a chinkshit IR module. It has worked very well.
--- 57845429
Itt we customize 18650 outside diameter by stripping casings and wrapping in tape. Just to pissoff obsessive lunatics who can't relate to diy.
>have issue
>fix issue
>improve fix
>no problem
>profit
>...
>anon has problem
There will always be one intolerant malcontent.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrBEIyWMoop/
>has the vis laser override the real ngal has
>focusable illuminator
>weighs less
>takes a CR123
>is being recoil tested using real firearms in the US
Oh no lasersneed bros, what happened? How did homogear win?
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>>57842759
They're okay as a DIY project but the dude making them is an insufferable prick who wildly overstates what they can do. He claims they can compete with Gen 2 and are in his words "“combat ready” but in reality the performance is dog shit for the price. You can buy a Sionyx for the cost to build one and it will out compete the PVS-69. He's also working on a "real" night vision housing but again the build cost creeps into the price range of devices that aren't made of shitty 3d printed plastic but instead professionally built by people who knew what they were doing. His build price for a Gen 2 dual Binocular was 2500 using blemmed chinese tubes. You can easily get a Gen 3 PVS-14 at that point which will out compete it and if you're dead set on duals that's well above what a good condition PVS-5 costs even with the recent increase in prices.
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>>57845652
You had me until PVS-5.
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>>57845652
Yea, I wouldn't have expected Chinesium IR cameras to perform at a super high level. Still, the system is appealing, to me at least, because the modding community for them is pretty prolific, so I'm hopeful some better systems will come from it.
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>>57846405
The tubes he used in his housing at the 2500 dollar price point were a pair of Blemmed Gen 2 Chinese NNVTs. They might have a sharper image in high light compared to older Gen 2 devices but their low light performance is still garbage. I think it's fair to compare a Gen 2 device to another Gen 2 Device. PVS-5 may be a couple decades old but they're still perfectly usable devices and are going to have an exponentially better build quality than you'll get with a 3d printed PVS-69.
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>>57838006
Borthers, what helmet cover do you use?
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>>57846611
First spear opscore maritime ballistic
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>>57846632
It fits well? I feel like most covers don’t fit the N49 well. I just use some no name cover that I’m pretty sure agilite uses. It doesn’t fit perfectly but fits okay.
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>>57846703
It's not a perfect fit. besides the company that shall not be shilled, idk if there are covers specifically made for the n49
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>>57846724
I don’t think there are, it’s kinda a bummer desu. I just want one made specifically for it.
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>>57846783
I think I'm just going to cover it in a beez scrim and call it a day desu
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>>57846825
I have a Multicam cover and a snow scrim for winter fun. My beef with the scrim is that it makes accessing stuff like lights, cables etc, hard because it goes over everything
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>>57846855
>it makes accessing stuff like lights, cables etc, hard because it goes over everything
noted
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Who has the opfor 1431 housings? I was told I need opfor.
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>>57846931
What clicky cap is that on your surefire light?
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>>57847278
Zbolt
--- 57847301
Newfag here, thinking of buying a chink laser (not the somogear)
Should I go for the peq or the ngal?
>both out of stock despite being in stock when I checked 2 weeks ago
Nevermind
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>>57847286
Any issues with it/ does it suck power output?
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>>57847304
The clicky feels cheap and its a crane connection but I hear the gen 2 is better and no it doesnt seem to cause any issues. They claim the gen 1 I have doesnt even work with DF heads but works with mine and a few other anons.
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>>57847304
I think that zbolt tailcap is using the laser crane plug, it might be an issue if you have a pressure pad with two leads they don't usually have dual crane plugs.
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>>57847331
>two leads they don't usually have dual crane plugs.
the ones from insight do
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>>57847320
Which did you choose for your mod button? It keeps trying to charge extra for an FDE crane switch vs the hot button but there’s not difference if you got the hot button crane plug. 

What am i actually getting with “FDE crane plug” I already have one from my old FP Peq15.
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>>57847377
Jesus they arent even worth it at that price I got mine on amazon for $50 for the tail cap. Then I got my mod button from plow works. I dont think there is anymore on amazon tho.
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>>57847401
Its still there from the z-bolt store too so it doesn't look to be a knockoff:
gen 1: https://www.amazon.com/Function-Tailcap-Finish-Surefire%C2%AE-Equivalent/dp/B07VQ5LK1H

gen 2: https://www.amazon.com/Switch-Tailcap-Malkoff-Arisaka-Surefire/dp/B0BRJDMMR3

I don't understand why this tail cap is using the crane plugs, I guess its easier to source that part vs the SF plug.
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>>57847377
That drop down looks like a fuck up. I'm guessing the Hot Button option is supposed to be for no add ons. Don't forget to use the 25% off coupon code if you're buying from their site.

>>57847450
>I guess its easier to source that part vs the SF plug.
That's not the reason they stated.
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>>57847320
I’m not super concerned either way, I’m just lost as to what they mean by “crane plug” are they trying to get 100$ extra just to have it accept crane plugs or are they literally giving me a crane presssure pad?
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>>57847509
> Hot Button option is supposed to be for no add ons

Okay that makes sense. Deff not worth 200$ for a damn clicky cap
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>>57847301
You actually found them in stock? You missed out cause everyone is buying them up and reselling them on Ebay. Thats why they been out of stock since the brassfacts reveal. lol
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>>57847753
idk when they had it on amazon I didnt get a crane plug with it I only got the tail cap.
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>>57847301
I'm assuming you're gonna get an Invisible Sight. The NGAL is the better buy, but in higher demand. Either way, you're going be waiting several months.
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>>57844954
But what's your hat size
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>>57848154
Thank you anon, I'll keep that in mind
Guess I'll be hitting F5 for a while
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>>57848262
Youll be waiting months.
>>57848154
Im getting loaned is ngal Ill let you guys know what I think. 2 other anons are suppose to also be loaned it.
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>AGM rattler
>this cope 

Is this really a cope?
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>>57848533
>scope
perhaps a Freudian slip
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>>57846965
Opfor as in the Canadian assembler that used to do upgrade packages on the early 1431s? No longer necessary. 
>"We are the only company in Canada working directly with Argus to improve and evaluate the BNVD-1431 series of products. Our feedback and recommendations led directly to many of the improvements made to this housing. Our weatherproofing service is no longer necessary as all changes have been made at the factory, and the Opfor Night Solutions upgrade screw kit has been supplied to the factory so all units come with them as standard."
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>>57848608
>if your on a budget
I sincerely cannot tell if he is retarded or shitposting. I lean towards retarded.
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>>57848533
Not really. Setting aside firmware, control layout, and form factor; all that really matters for thermal performance is that it has enough resolution to provide you the desired amount of clarity at the level of magnification and zoom combo you want to use, while having enough FOV backed out for your scanning needs.
In that guy's review he is comparing two 384 sensor optics with vastly different form factors and base magnifications so they will have different sweet spots where one can easily be much happier using one over the other in different situations.

At the core of it you need to consider that the AGM is 14.9* FOV with 1.5x base mag whereas the iRay is 7.5* FOV on 3x base mag. Aside from if you absolutely need a tube form factor like the Bolt (being able to be mounted further rearward is the primary driver there), any other considerations are secondary since they build from the FOV/mag experience.

See similar discussion here:
>>57620997
>>57626309
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>>57849022
It's good we have such a thermal specialist in this thread, thanks for imparting your knowledge man.
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bump
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>>57836283 (OP)
Laserspeed is upgrading the FL5's vis power.
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>>57851006
Fuck.
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>>57851024
It's not like you gonna use vis my guy
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>>57851006
Was the vis laser always <5mw? I thought it was way higher for some reason.
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>>57845501
If it's as good as their PEQ clones, we have nothing to fear.
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>>57851038
Says who.
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>>57851094
Vis is useless besides zeroing. This isn't cod.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpTJpfyfHuw [Embed]
Disregard tripfags, vis lasers are cool.
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>>57851232
haha boolet go where laser point in daylight haha
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>>57851006
Neat. Have they mentioned anything about the WL? either reducing the spill or increasing the throw? Its my only real complaint and even then its not much since I don't see me using the WL that much. Just would be nice to see it improved.
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>>57851232
>this advertisement brought to you by Victor Dicosola at TNVC
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bretty cool
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>>57851798
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>>57848168
My hat it has 3 corners, 3 corners has my hat, if had it not 3 corners, it would not be my hat!
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>>57836283 (OP)
I don't know about you guys but, I love my caiman bump. The golden ratio of price to preformence. The helmet costed 80$ and the whole kit costed 234$ including wilcox mount. Very nice + Cope
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>>57852343
Back side >.<
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>>57852357
Cool. Planning on earpro?
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>>57852467
Yeah, probably going to buy sordins soon.
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>>57852488
sordins deez nuts.
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>>57853703
Yeah, what brand do you have/want to have?
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>>57852343
I'm very happy with mine, I just had to replace the nape strap velcro and it has been fine since. The same company also makes a TW knock off if you don't have a head that requires the Caiman.
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>>57836283 (OP)
Anyway, anyone has experience with these pouches or overall company? This is poorfag thread now
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>>57854129
Also, what did it mean by this?
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>>57854129
No experience with that brand or store, if you are looking for a pouch to store your NVD I have this pouch https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ENO5EL4
It fits my PVS-14 with its j-arm and the lowering arm mount or I will use it to stow away my C35 thermal clip-on.
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>>57848168
Idk I don't wear hats. i'm not bald. If you're asking to figure out what size you are just spend the $5 to get a tape measure on amazon.
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>>57854129
If you're feeling poor then just get one of the MNVD canteen pouch inserts.
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>>57851280
based
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>>57854458
Ok well get your hat size with a measuring tape and I might have a recommendation for you.
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>>57854129
Surplus options are cheaper.
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>>57855297
I need to store my friends panos somewhere when he gives them to me.
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>>57855289
It's 23 3/4ths in. so it's inbetween a 7 1/2 and 7 5/8ths according to a chart
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>>57851006
Now they should upgrade the m3 to be smaller, lighter, and cheaper. We don't need their shitty flashlight
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Homogear coming in hot
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>>57857038
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>>57857038
Nahh, what is this?
Already out of stock? Bro...
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>>57857038
Looks like shit desu and out of stock. specs pic rel
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>>57857091
The new ngal is apparently being tested in the US under real firearm recoil. I'm actually excited to see how it turns out
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>>57857121
That's the old version, they haven't released the new version yet. If the weight is even close to the old version that's still half the weight of an FL5 and nearly half the size
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>>57857129
Is homogear actually better then LS FL5? or is it just a meme?
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>>57857161
The old models are shit and won't hold zero and don't have an aligned laser and illuminator. It's shit and is only popular because it's half decent for how cheap it is unlike the $60 models. The new version is showing some promise but we will see
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>>57857167
What about LS FL5/ M3?
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>>57857124
Anyone knows the price?
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>>57857277
M3 review
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>>57857337
The m3 would be great if they scrapped the fucking QD mount and just used the fl5 mount
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>>57857295
They havent said but I'm gonna assume around the same price of their other products so ~$300
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Has anyone used these chink skeletonized 3-hole shrouds from ebay? I'm building a cheap bump helmet for eventual NVG use, thought I'd ask in this general if these are ok.
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>>57856971
>inbetween a 7 1/2 and 7 5/8ths
Are you me? Get out of the diameter of my head!
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Decided to put the WL back on the rifle after getting the Sneed. Went with the Arisaka side mount. I'm a lefty so I like my light on the left side but couldn't reach it because of how the FL5 and the streamlight fit with each other. I ended up moving it to the right side so I can still get a pretty decent grip on the gun and articulate the push cap. I may play around with the pressure pad and see if it's better that way. 
For using the laser I just roll the gun over otherwise my thumb takes up the whole sight picture. Seems ok to at least LARP in the basement with.
This gun is also heavy as fuck because it's a braked 16 with a WL and laser and EOkek. 
Right now I only have one rifle so I'll be coping but at some point I will build out a dedicated night gun with an 11.5 or MK18 or something. 
>>57858204
Fat heads rise up.
What bump are you using btw?
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>>57857454
use caiman like shroud, 0 wobble, fits great.
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>>57857346
You prefer the FL5 mount? Funny, I was thinking the QD mount was better.
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>>57857454
I have had both phenomenal and dogshit results with unbranded chinkshit knockoffs. Your call.
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>>57858893
QD weighs more and makes it sit way higher up. I find it unnecessary since it will probably lose zero anyway. I'd only have a QD on something like a magnifier or suppressor
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>>57836283 (OP)
Nightcap mod for those with larger heads https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Crye-Nightcap-big-head-mod-swap-to-H-Nape/18-543756/
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>>57859615
If you are losing zero with a QD you need to tighten it.
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>>57859793
There was an anon who had to modify his laserspeed's QD to make it not-QD to fix his loose fitting mount. Supposedly laserpseed fixed this after his feedback.
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>>57859832
Yeah, I recall that and recall that they sent him(?) the updated mount. I'm just talking QDs in general though.
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>>57859848
Ah, my bad.
Yeah a reputable brand QD mechanism should/can maintain zero if tighten down to spec/instructions.
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>>57859793
The laserspeed m3 had QD issues that they only "fixed" in March. With chinesium you can't trust it 100%
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>>57859742
I feel kinda bad cause I would recommend the crye nightcap but I got the knock off version, which fits my large head just fine.
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>>57856971
You should have a good amount of options then. I'm a 7 3/4 and use the Caiman chink rip off on the XL size.
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>>57860281
Link?
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How would you design a non helmet mount for your nods that is quick to don and doesn't suck like the usgi or crye.
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>>57859832
They did fix it and announced it last month. There should be no need for DIY fixes now.

>>57860612
The Raptor Tactical skullcrusher design is a pretty good.
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>>57860692
>raptor tactical skullcrusher
Oh yeah I forgot about this.
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>>57860555
If you look up Caiman helmet on aliexpress, it'll come up, get the one with the most orders. It's like 80 bucks.
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>>57861113
Alright thanks
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>>57860731
That thing looks eerily familiar. I can't quite put my finger on it.
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>>57862250
This is how I would design a PVS-14 mount too.
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>>57860731
see
>>57837157
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>>57836283 (OP)
Decided to update my NVD recording device guide/recommendation that I made awhile back.
Got a new recorder that a buddy of mine linked me and it looked like a nice one for some anons to try out.
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>>57862580
I made the gopro mount and it's really bad for recording because you're losing 50% of the brightness so everything you film is much darker than it actually is. What would be interesting is finding the right chineseium nanny ribbon camera to copy the unobtanium recorder for a fraction of the cost.
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>>57863272
>you're losing 50% of the brightness so everything you film is much darker than it actually is
True, but you can increase the exposure on the GoPro and other lighting settings to compensate for that. I did that when I repurposed the 3D gopro mount to record through my ACOG so I can record with my C35 thermal clipped on.
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>>57863390
Forgot to mention what gopro I was using to record that, that was a gopro 11.
This video though was with a gopro 8 with auto settings.
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>>57863272
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KY81F8T/
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>>57863502
hah, very nice! All you need is to find the STL file for the eyepiece mount adapter for the camera/lens or buy it instead.
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tfw we will never have specialized lenses that let us see straight through them but record as well.
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>>57865482
We do with thermal.
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>>57865540
Elaborate please? I'm talking about taking something in the form factor of a bubble wand, sticking it on your nvg, and recording as you go about your business.
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>>57865561
There are thermals with built in recording capability. I am unaware of any for i2.
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>>57865540
>>57865743
2/10 reading comprehension
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>>57865992
I was looking past the lament to try to find the real source of the problem. Can you identify a solution to this problem?
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>>57865743
Probably because they're digital devices.
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>>57854129
They do decent clones desu, an anon said the Spiritus LV119 clone they made was pretty much 1:1, so maybe give it a try. Other airsoft gear that make decent clones is Emerson, TMC/Cork in terms of PC and clothing, as for PEQ and flashlight clones, FMA has some decent stuff too, dunno if they are as good as the Somogear PEQ, but its more than enough for a poorfag larper desu. Airsoft gear definitely has gone a step up in quality over the years, so much so that I wouldn't even bother on picking up overpriced old surplus shit nowdays, unless you are one of those rare ALICE system focused fags, shame for them cuz now these days being one of them is pretty rough with current prices.
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>>57866323
Well, that is entirely the case. The signal necessary for the recording protocol is already native to the thermal device. I assumed that pointing at pragmatic solutions was better than pipe dreaming. Otheranon disagreed. It is what it is.
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>>57866167
>real source of the problem
Anon wasn't asking for any ordinary method of recording in the dark. You act like he didn't know clip on NV recorders and recording with digital devices existed.
>Can you identify a solution to this problem?
No I refuse to.

>>57866396
>pragmatic solutions was better than pipe dreaming
What do you think tfw implies?
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>>57865482
/TG/ & /X/-->
is that way.
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Hello /k/
I have head crusher and a pvs 14 gen 3 wolf
its good stuff id like to get a helmet bump is fine so i can mount it but I really only want it for bump unless you know a great deal on one with a mount 

i want a helmet id like to have the 3 hole mount and helmet for under 300, preferably high cut for muffs 

am I being to poo and thats not happening or im missing a whole section of the market....arms core is to leet for me yeah
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>>57866441
>You act like he didn't know
I am not acting like anything. They come in all varieties here - including actual retards and people pretending to be retards. Even Wuggy used to come in here with his terminal case of Dunning-Kruger. If my feedback is unwanted then just let it ride.
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>>57866572
>3 hole mount
>under $300 (eh)
ballistic, but yeah
https://www.customnightvision.com/product/protech-armored-iiia-high-cut-ballistic-helmet-with-ops-core-nightvision-shroud-light-tan/
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>>57866572
If you get one of the better chinkshit bumps then you can upgrade components as you go. I got the top tier of unobtainium chinkshit shells and put a legit OpsCore liner and shroud on it. If the helmet is the right config then all of the legit parts should fit.
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>>57866633
thanks this is perfect 
>>57866637
is the above a good idea then?
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>>57866665
>is the above a good idea then?
I am somewhat fond of Protech. I think that that is a good start. Keep in mind that you still need rails and that the initial purchase eats your entire budget.
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>>57866701
yeah i get that. they have a used mount

https://www.customnightvision.com/product/surplus-norotos-rhino-mount-with-j-arm-bayonet/
does that fit the "ops core three hole mount?"
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>>57866721
I really suggest a RHNO II over that RHNO I. The old arms have some issues and the new ones have more adjustments. I do like the old mount but the newer one is better overall.
tldr; I would pass
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>>57866736
https://www.customnightvision.com/product/wilcox-pvs-14-dovetail-arm-with-and-without-on-off-switch/

is a wilcox good?
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>>57866603
I now at least understand what your intention was from >>57866441 so I have no further objections.
>They come in all varieties here - including actual retards and people pretending to be retards.
Agreed. Although anon didn't come off as any sort of retard to me. What he wants sounded like a perfectly legitimate wish. The closest thing to a "solution" I can think of realistically is a further miniaturized clip on recorder but, what he wants sounds like some sort of thin prism with good light transmission.
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>>57866744
you're going to need a far more expensive mount or modify the RHINO II to accommodate a dovetail j-arm
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>>57866755
hmmmmm i think ill pick up the helmet and get the mount anouther pay period not gonna be able to do this as cheap as possible
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>>57866761
That'll give you time to get the mount sorted anyways.
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>>57866572
I use a chink Caiman helmet and it's very good for the price. 80 bucks on Aliexpress.
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>>57867511
Mine finally hit the shores of the CUSA.
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There's something I don't understand. Can you put a simple camera lens on a thermal vision device and have a zoomed in picture? Or I must have special lens for that?
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>>57870262
You can do that it’s similar to thermal clip-on devices, the thermal is 1x native with a screen resolution of whatever its specs are and then the scope zooms into the screen like this setup >>57863390.
If the screen resolution is too low it’ll look extremely pixelated and can only zoom in so far before you can’t make out what is trying to display. Retaining zero if it’s a thermal scope could be an issue too.
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>>57870262
>Can you put a simple camera lens on a thermal vision device and have a zoomed in picture?
No. It needs to be a germanium lens due to the band in which thermal imaging operates.
https://outdoorlegacygear.com/blogs/news/thermal-optics-terminology
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>>57870399
>>57870691
Ehm... That's two opposite answers.
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>>57871521
Because there’s two mindset on answering your question.
The first reply has to do with magnifying the actual display of the thermal screen.
The second reply has to do with magnifying the actual image/view the thermal sensor is detecting.
Which one were you actually asking for?
Now I’m confused on what you were originally asking about.
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>>57871646
Why would I want to magnify the screen with camera lenses?

That's kinda obvious.
There's a regular camera, I use telescopic lenses to zoom in the view.
There's a thermal camera, I use ?????? lenses to zoom in the view.
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>>57872074
>Why would I want to magnify the screen with camera lenses?
Because that is how its done with clip-on thermals with magnified scope optics.
>That's kinda obvious.
Yes so obvious that you don't know what you are even asking about. Do you even own a thermal device? Go place the thermal objective lens into your camera viewfinder or even the telescoptic lens and see what you get.
You truly are moronic and didn't even know what you are asking for.
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>>57872122
Retard I don't have a thermal camera but but I want to buy one, that's why I ask. What's hard in my question? If I put a telescope in front of the sensor will I see a magnified thermal image?
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>>57872170
>Retard
Ironic. Its been answer already, retard faggot.
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>>57872170
>If I put a telescope in front of the sensor will I see a magnified thermal image?
No. The thermal band is blocked by standard glass. Are you familiar with Carl Carwindows? It's the same principle. You cannot even see through window glass with a thermal imager. That has always been one of its larger downsides.
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>>57872170
>If I put a telescope in front of the sensor will I see a magnified thermal image?
Negative, the glass used for a camera zoom lens does not allow pass through of the needed spectral range.
There are existing Germanium afocal lenses out there but not many designed for the sportsman market. You would need something like this https://sectoroptics.com/product/afocal-thermal-adapters/
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>>57872442
>>57872481
Thank you anon, now I got it.
>https://sectoroptics.com/product/afocal-thermal-adapters/
Damn the price, but atsast they exist. Maybe some day chinese will discover it's secret and manufacture a cheaper aliexpress version.
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>>57872481
You know what? I found the separate germanium lenses on aliexpress for cheap. I should definitely play with them after I get my thermal camera.