bant/17383985.txt

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--- 17383985
Why do people still shill programming as the job of the future when every idiot nowadays can sit like a monkey in front of the screen and code
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>C++ 
bad language.
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>>17383985 (OP)
Programming is easy to learn, but very hard to master. Every retard can learn basic Python, or JS for webdev, because those languages were designed to be easy to learn.
But most of those newbies will write dogshit production code that'll be painful to work with a year down the line.
Just look at game dev, so many ppl start with something like Unity only to shit out an ugly asset flip game doused in bloom and motion blur that runs at 40 fps at best because while they can write le epic code in C# they don't know what optimization is.
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>>17383985 (OP)
Because they're retarded and know nothing about what's happening in the industry
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>>17383985 (OP)
Programming is easy. Good programming that's practical for shit is a skill that you need a certain mindset to grasp, else you're left a perma script-shitter.
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>>17385111
Big tech complains nobody can code and then refuses to use resources to teach them
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>I can write a for loop in some shitty baby tier language like python so therefore programming is super duper easy and everyone can do it 
Only bumping because I know this is getting necrobumped for weeks, +1 to bump limit is a win for me
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>>17386373
Sounds like cope so you can just complain and not have to formally train anyone
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Boomers who think that coding consists of C++ and HTML/CSS but don't know anything else about computers. They think programming languages are really easy to learn and that anyone can become a savant when in reality you need a special mind to code effectively.
Their view of computers is exceptionally dated and that prompts them to hold firm to what they know.
>you spend all day on that computer anyway 
This is what makes them think programming is a good avenue. 
Middle management like >>17385111 are the dinosaurs desperately clinging to relevancy forcing tech workers into an office so they can watch them and assess their worth based on office behavior. 
You can go on Fiver right now and get some poojeet to write you up a script or write a line of code. On top of that if you have any kind of infrastructure team they'll just use an AI to write their base code for them (I've done this myself for powershell scripts) and programmers won't be as in high of demand.
Not everyone can code but if you're using a computer every day and can build your own then you should just get into IT. Hardware and infrastructure are a lot easier to teach.
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>>17387028
Booba
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>>17387028
>He uses powershell
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>>17387449
>>17387466
t. Never worked with AD
>>17387487
No I get ChatGPT to write it and then I rewrite it for my needs.
--- 17387597
why is python considered a 'baby language'? I mean I know it's one of the easier languages to pick up, but I literally see it in like 70% of job descriptions I've ever seen. 

I'm learning R and Python but I'm starting to think it's a bad choice based on what I've read in this thread. I'm kinda a monkey brain person
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>>17387589
What does it feel like to be so wrong and caught telling lies?
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>>17387956
>waste time on writing it out vs use an AI to save me time
Choice is obvious. Work smarter.
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>>17383985 (OP)
You can just ask Artificial Intelligence to code for you. I don't want to code anyway because that shit is lame. There's not even any coding rolemodels either. John Carmack is the only coder I actually know the name of.
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>>17388254
>There's not even any coding rolemodels either.
I cannot even imagine how huge of a faggot someone would have to be to take this factor into consideration when it comes to anything.
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>>17388281
Shit doesn't even look fun or pay well. Worthless pursuit.
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>>17388291
Not as worthless as jacking off to "role models".
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>>17388296
Celebrity, well known person, whatever. 
Criticize my shit word usage instead of assuming a bunch of bullshit.
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>>17388304
Your word usage isn't the problem, faggot. You caring about that shit is.
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>>17386735
Very true. I'm not in a coding job, but I have a coworker I can tell will never get smart. Everyday I'm stuck training him is a day wasted.
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>>17388254
After a certain point, isn't tard-wrangling an AI and correcting it merely coding under a different language? I can see it being a new standard for newbies.
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>>17388254
I don't believe in role models but I have been inspired by Knuth and Dijkstra after reading their works. I have also read other people's source code (I download it with my package manager) and sometimes found it inspiring but I usually don't go out of my way to find the name of the person who wrote it. I don't like John Carmack.
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>>17387597
Python is a good language for learning to program since it has enough features to handle many different programming paradigms (Lexical closures (shitty compared to LISP's), first class functions, "Lazy" evaluation (from the yield statement), classes, loops, some basic functional programming, magic methods, ect). The main things you won't learn about from python are pointers, bit manipulation stuff, the cost of things, and how code compiles into assembly. You need to learn a more low level language like C for that stuff.
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>>17391395
It usually just gives you a taste of the paradigms rather than the whole thing though.
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>>17383985 (OP)
its easy to get into but hard to be good at
most of the retards who claim to know how to code are bad at it
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>>17391395
Actually I think you can do the same stuff as lisps lexical closures if you use nonlocal in the function definition.
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>>17392562
hey
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>>17392562
mr. csZWpq0s, how is the cirnocord reacting to the necrobump threads being deleted one by one?
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>>17392900
>Deleted
Seems like they're just reaching bump limit from being the only threads on this board that can actually sustain a discussion. You compare it to the tranime threads or frogtroon threads and they can barely cap 10 posts
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>>17384571
>Programming is easy to learn, but very hard to master. Every retard can learn basic Python, or JS for webdev, because those languages were designed to be easy to learn.
honestly many people find it very hard to learn the absolute basics, but, yes, agreed
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>>17383985 (OP) 
The hardest part of programming is compiling for C. I'm a retard who barely understands it in spite of reading a step by step manual.
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oh my cirgem
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>>17394665
lol
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>>17383985 (OP)
Programming is easy to learn for autists. Programming jobs require team work and communication skills which autists are uncapable of. Normies don't give a fuck, as you can earn a comparable salary in any job that requires more than 2 brain cells but less than programming (forklift operator, welder, repairs man etc.), hence there's a permanent shortage of programmers.
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>>17393351
The only hard thing is parallel/concurrent computation, but most pajeet languages solves it with async.
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>>17383985 (OP)
Part of coding is learning how to handle newfangled scrips like all those AI generators. To be able to manipulate them puts you head over heels of your average end-user itoddler.
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Is love a part of coding? :o)
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>>17383985 (OP)
I practiced three months in Scratch. I is coder nao?
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>>17383985 (OP)
C++? C-? Why not C flat?
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>>17405493
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should i go to ethtokyo
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>>17383985 (OP)
cirno+idiot=le fun
I can't wait for the last touhou tranny to khs
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>>17419296
you must be le fun at parties
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Enjoy Easter
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>>17384571
python isnot easy for me.. it even easier to understand c and assembly rather than python.. mark my word.
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>>17383985 (OP)
If you think you're hot shit, code me a basic tic-tack-toe game. Doesn't even need any graphics beyond the command line.
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>>17441256
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>>17383985 (OP)
Less than half of all PC users can code. Probably higher than it once was, but only because all of the tech-illiterate migrated to phones.
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>>17434026
Python is easy because it's dumbed down, no types, no pointers, automatic memory management. When I was at university many people struggled to even grasp the principle of references in Python, when C came next semester it was even worse.

But it can be hard to grasp if you're already used to low level stuff. I learned to like it over time for simple scripts, as it's faster to prototype in then in C#, etc.
Still, I like C# the best, managed runtime, but strongly typed and supports low level stuff with pointers.
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>>17453950
And less than a quarter of that half can actually code well and are not just web dev coding monkeys...
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What is the easiest way to become remote codemonkey and live on Sicily or in Portugal or in any other sunny place? Should I start as front end dev or what?
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>>17456460
Web dev is already an oversaturated market imo, especially since a lot of the work of making a website can be automated with AI.
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>>17456235
>no types
Python has types. It's just not strongly/statically typed.
>many people struggled to even grasp the principle of references in Python, when C came next semester it was even worse
Should be the other way around. Pointers are easy to grasp, and C keeps them transparent as possible. 
References in garbage collected languages always differ in how they're handled from language to language. See the 'copy.copy()' and 'copy.deepcopy()' bullshit.
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>>17456460
>>17458770
So what should I do? C# for mobile games or apps sounds good, I think. later I can change language, project, job, I want to get into the industry as soon as possible at the beginning
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>>17459779
Bump
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>>17459548
The most bullshit thing about python is how the garbage collector will collect tkinter images once you go out of scope even if you still have them in widgets. I looked up the error and apparently it's caused by a difference in how Tk collects garbage and how Python collects garbage and to fix it the people would either have to change Tk garbage collection or Python garbage collection and nether communities want to do that. So you're stuck having to append the images to a global list variable make sure the garbage collector doesn't collect the images if you want to make your code modular at all.
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>>17383985 (OP)
Dunning-Kruger effect live
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>>17383985 (OP)
I'll be honest I feel like not everyone can really grasp computer science. I don't want to be a programmer but learning any language can get your old jogging nogging. Also I bet if you gave some retarded zoomer a IDE and made him write code the best he can do is print anything other than hello world!