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Lately I've been rereading a lot of black and white comics. I've sort of developed a taste for just the way it looks. There's just something wonderfully... pulp about it. Does anyone else like and read black and white comics? I've been sticking with the Usagi threads here but also been going back and reading Xenozoic Tales, which most people probably remember as Cadillacs and Dinosaurs. Really wish they'd go back to that well.
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Going to sleep but I'll throw this out for you OP
http://jimcripps.com/collections/comicbooks/80sBlackAndWhites.html
B+W is fantastic, both as the original presentation or alternate printing. Nothing beats a good comic strip either.
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It's underappreciated but yeah, black & white is dope
I don't think color is inherently bad but either do it right or don't bother with it at all
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>>136650752
Well I like color fine still, it's really a matter of intent. I remember I had a bunch of those essential marvel phone book volumes that were cheap and bw and they were honestly just kind of crap. But stuff that was made to be BW looks fantastic,

>>136650727
neat
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>>136649957 (OP)
i love them. got b&w editions of prince valiant, wally wood's comics, miller's daredevil, bolland's stuff... plus there are great titles that were originally without color, such as maus, mort cinder, sin city, love and rockets etc. one can really appreciate the linework.
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>>136649957 (OP)
I like black and white and color, but each of these has to be done well.
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>>136650982
I really regret being such a main stream cape fag for so long
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>>136654109
I can't read it but it makes a wonderful mood.
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book one of Rob Davis's trilogy: The Motherless Oven, The Can Opener's Daughter and The Book of Forks.
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>>136654393
I'll post up to best girl's entrance
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>>136654408
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>>136654432
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>>136654447
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>>136654463
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>>136654469
Miss Trouble.
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>>136650982
Colorized editions are always inferior because the original art wasn't drawn with coloring in mind, stuff like shading will be affected, some parts will look flat
Unless there's a total rework by the same artist
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>>136649957 (OP)
USAGI YOJIMBO, MOTHERFUCKER. THE MARATHON IS ON RIGHT NOW. 


>>136650982
frank Miller's negative space, both in daredevil and sin city. He jacked lone wolf and cub hard, and it was fucking great.
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>>136654905
>USAGI YOJIMBO, MOTHERFUCKER. THE MARATHON IS ON RIGHT NOW.
Yes. I've said as much. Very much not a fan of IDW's colorized versions. I mean it's cool Stan was given work to his buddy so I appreciate that but the latter issues were just.... kind of bad.
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>>136655747
The Tower, and Atlantic 12/12 La Douce by Schuiten
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bump
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For me, it's Savage sword of Conan magazine
I don't know why people don't talk about the Marvel Magazines more. The newstand market dying killed these book, but I think something similar could work again now that manga is commonly accepted in the US.
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most italian comics are printed this way
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>thread's still up
Yay
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Frank is one of my favorites.
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>tfw wanted to do a black and white webcomic soon
>webcomics are dead outside of webtoon, popular webtoons are all full color with anime art and 3D backgrounds 
>graphic novels are largely color with some exception, non-color ones that get popular get colorized for more appeal as a "bonus"
You'd think with manga getting more popular you'd see more creators and especially audiences embrace black and white.
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Gene Colan can paint with a pencil. Underrated and definitely worth exploring!
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I’ve always been attracted to black-and-white more so than colours. I dunno, I guess it’s how brutal and classy it comes off. That way, you’re forced to work on your inking, your shadows, your background and the design of your characters. Your mind “fills” in the blanks by subconsciously adding the shades. It really breeds creativity
>>136661963
Same here, I’m currently learning how to draw in this style so I can one day fully realise a fanfic idea I had for a while and I don’t even know where to upload the final results
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>>136662334
Illustrative lineart is a dying format sadly. digital painting/speedpainting makes people forego tight lineart, and the type of lineart that's popular is largely based off manga stylization these days. a lot of reliance on premade tones and brushes instead
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>>136655747
My favorite Obscure Cities book.
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>>136661963
have you read tamaki's stuff?
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>>136661963
>>136662334
The thing about manga is that it's really only a handful of series you can call super popular. And while they are IMMENSELY popular for Spy Family or Demon Slayer there's about a million other series that don't come close.
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Gary Gianni
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Read Bone
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>>136665152
Couldn't that be said for the comic strip days? You had Milton Caniff, Alex Raymond, Hal Foster, and a few other guys. Everyone one else was a literally who trying to reach their level.
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>>136668085
it does seem like break out sensations are getting fewer and further between.
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>>136649957 (OP)
This >>136666539. You don't even need to go back to super vintage stuff like pulp comics. The 80s and 90s indie scene was all about black and white because funding a full-color book was off the table back then, and things like Bone or Paul Pope's THB look fantastic because they were designed for that.

I grew with this stuff and manga so I never really got a taste for American color comic-books; I like painterly European stuff though, where color doesn't feel just like a formality.
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>>136669153
You know even with manga there are a lot of times were I feel colored editions kind of ruin it.
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>>136669387
It looks so cheap WITH color. It's odd.
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>>136650727
I like how Clark is drawn here. Is it Shuster?
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>>136670461
Not really that odd; color isn't a really a guarantee of higher quality, but it's seen as that from the simple quantitative point of view of business people and consumers. But with comic artwork designed originally by the artist to make the most of black and white reproduction, you not only need a good colorist, but a good colorist who will be good enough to work around that fact. The result is more often than not diminishing returns.

In this example specifically >>136669387 they're replacing the classic overproduced manga look—with shitloads of screentone shading—for a mostly simplified anime color look, that could only appear as an improvement if the art was actually moving to make up for it. The result is basically a downgrade.

In actually /co/-pertinent stuff, I admit the colored editions of Bone for example aren't really bad, but I still prefer the original because the brushwork looks beautiful on pure white and the contrast planning in each page is top-notch. Even with other stuff based on inferior artwork like Scott Pilgrim or Usagi Yojimbo the originals are best imo: for the former, the manga inspirations come across better obviously, and for the latter the BW look also resonates with influences in black and white classic Samurai films.
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>>136669387
Something about how Japanese artists in general colors things is so..homogonizing. 
Call it stereotyping but there just seems to be such a safe way of doing good art there.
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>>136670461
Yeah this one really messes with the overall tone. It's just way to bright. And while they do make a point to travel by day in it the black and white version still conveys a better tone of tension and darkness while still being day time. Like all that pure white negative space really needed to be a more moody gray.

>>136671048
I've had both Bone in color and black and white for years and I do enjoy the colored one but I think I find myself really appreciating the original more. 

>>136671195
Japan has a weird sense of color. I think culturally manga is bred to be b/w so it kind of throws them. Even a lot of shows that get anime adaptions often look pretty shit in color.
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>>136672064
>Japan has a weird sense of color
It's pretty, but also very glossy. With some exception I don't see much Japanese art since the digital era with, say, Frazetta esque colors.
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>>136675386
It feels like a lot of color manga is trying to look like anime. If that makes sense.
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>>136675929
Of course it does. Manga is used in Japan as a testing ground to launch successful animes, but in the West it's the extra revenue stream to get more money out of a successful anime. So the more it looks LIKE anime, the better (Japan doesn't give a fuck about color manga besides the handful of color pages -by the original artist- each series gets every now and then; the full third-party colorizations are something made to boost international sales)
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It would be nice if we could put together a list of black and white series or graphic novels as a recommendation for people. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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>>136654393
I'm going to read this soon.
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>>136677603
A BW General? Probably not the worst idea to come out of here. Off the top of my head there's the obvious stuff like Usagi, Bone, the old Conan Savage Sword books, I think there was a black and white Kull series, Xenozoic Tales. There was that Batman Black and White series that I never read. Weren't old Judge Dredd stories black and white?
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>>136677603
I made a quick one on Topsters that gets passed around, but it has a couple of comics that aren't true black and white. Plus, I'm finding out about new ones that should go on the chart. I'll post a fresh one eventually.
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>>136677837
My messy gallery: contents are black and white despite the covers.
Ones liked the most, in no order:
- BLAST
- Jason's Hey Wait, and others
- Ion Mud
- Rob Davis's Motherless Oven trilogy, just started reading The Book Of Forks
- The Lighthouse
- petit
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The Nam used to be printed in b&w in magazine format while having a regular color comic
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>>136677603
>>136678010
Here. I'll keep working on this.
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>>136680575
Not enough goddman moomins.
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>>136681363
I left out comic strips on purpose.
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I love Eddie Campbell's sloppy scribbles.
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>>136652612
a lot of cape shit would look better in b/w too.
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>>136655146
Yea it's a shame the colouring is so lame. Just gradients in general are lame as fuck in digital. I don't know if any comic looks good with that
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>>136659549
Hey, Anon do you know of any sites where I can read Italian comics online? Would love to check them out, I used to read Captain Mickey and Wolf's of Ontario, and Black the rock, but the best was trapper Kerry
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>>136682348
Source?
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>>136684421
Introducing Kafka by David Mariowitz and Robert Crumb
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bump
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>>136677837
Kull by Bolton was gorgeous
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>>136683745
Early Breccia? I got his Westerns
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>>136686399
this one
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>>136684081
i do but they're getting shut down so i'd rather not post it
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All the B&W mags are worth checking out. Warren's artists were so good that Marvel couldn't skimp out on theirs. I'm partial to the Filipinos.
This is by Jess Jodloman
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comics should go black and white
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Domingo Mandrafina
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Winsor McCay
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The Winterworld series, by Chuck Dixon and drawn by Jorge Zaffino, is a visual treat. Zaffino had such an impeccable style that's very clearly inked in that beautiful classic style where he's not afraid to use big inked brush strokes and not hiding that it's a hand drawn piece, if that makes sense. great use of textures and shadows and lighting
Zaffino died way too early, at just age 43, but I was happy to learn that he had a son who draws similar to him
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Puma Blues comes from Mirage Studio, the TMNT guys. Stephen Murphy, the writer, is probably best known as the Archie TMNT writer, but also the most prolific TMNT comics writer in general
It's a fairly breezy read with lots of sequences going on with almost no text, focused on Michael Zulli's art. Zulli has that very 80's indie style where he's a solid draftsman, if not the most dynamic, but really shines in how he depicts nature and animals. It's a very natural, organic feel. The story concerns a government agent in a wooded area tracking mutated fauna and ruminates on man's relationship to nature and how we effect the environment. It has a conversationalist slant but I wouldn't call it preachy. 
It's also weirdly canon to Mirage TMNT in a way, so if you're a fan it might be worth checking out
one extra story by Eastman and Laird, not sure if it's in the collected edition, has Raph as a one-eyed, nearly mute, hobo-looking loner living in the swamp. In the few glimpses of Raph's future, this is generally consistent with how he's shown
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>>136690336
the complete collection also has a story where alan moore jerks off to manta rays
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>>136690336
>Zaffino and Zulli
You read my mind.
>>136690461
The last extra chapter Murphy and Zulli did for it was awful.
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>>136690336
Zulli's Turtle issues are worth checking out as well
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I really love inking where the style is a little loose, scratchy, and bold. Really makes it feel alive. A lot of comic strips had this feel and they feel very modern still. really love the Horak drawn James Bond strips.
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live, please
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>>136649957 (OP)
Read Solomon Kane you faggotniggers
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Also read Torpedo you absolute subhuman ape niggers
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Also read The Crow you uncultured swine from the third world
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Shouldn't go without saying, you down syndrome ridden terminally online soichuds should also read old Dredd comics, before I find and lynch you like the niggers we so vehemently hate.
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Sin city has already been posted but yes even a nigger hating kike loving chud like Frank Miller has written some great comics
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Le thoughts? You uncultured third world subhuman image board surfing faggots?
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Answer me you virgin nigger lovers
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>>136694434
chill out my guy, your shilling would be more successful if you didn't include these half-baked insults
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>>136694588
>Le 4chan is a hugbox
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how's didier comes? always looked too much like pratt to me
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I hope to make black and white comics, both web and printed, so this thread is of high interest to me.

Heard B&W comics just don't sell as well as colored comics, which is discouraging I admit.
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so does crepax but he's more visually innovative and not aping caniff that much
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>>136694834
you mean like walking dead kek
you can always add one "color" like ghost world
this one summer got a bunch of YA awards, probably sod well to libraries (pic related)
fuck direct market
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have some jose munoz, another quirky caniff offshoot
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>>136694834
I don't think them being B&w is the cause, just correlation. 
B&W is marketed less, or priced in ways people find not incentive to people, or people just plain don't know they exist.
If you can put out a nice chunk of pages for $10 it's more appealing than $30-40 collections of material to impulse buyers. More than $15 and the people that are buying it are usually established fans
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>>136694227
Despite being mostly black and white, That Yellow Bastard has some amazing use of color
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>>136695512
Am I the only one who thinks the film didn't do the comic justice?
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>>136695762
i hated it lol
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>>136695830
elaborate?
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>>136695863
i felt the film was too close to the comic instead of adapting it to the strengths of the medium
ironically the opposite can be said for other comic book movies
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>>136696580
Interesting, I would've preferred it in the vain of a classic silver screen films instead of the apparent green screen fest.
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>>136696705
vein* fuck I'm a retard
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>>136694868
There's a Crepax exhibit in NYC right now that I wish I could go to