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The year is 2027, NATO is at war with China and Russia. The Russians collapsed immediately, Putin was shot before the nukes could fly, and the oligarchs have capitulated. The invasion of Taiwan failed, with heavy naval losses on both sides, 100k+ Chinese dead. The Korean war 2.0 is playing out with large formations of Chinese and American troops in support of whatever Koreans are left on either side. Seoul is an irradiated wasteland. All that's left are the Chinese mainland and the North Koreans. Iran is sitting this one out due to civil unrest. 

How would this play out? Would we invade at all? Would there just be a nuclear standoff until a peace settlement was reached? 
If we were to invade, what would be the best way to do it? What do casualty figures look like? Would they collapse as soon as we reached Beijing?
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yeah
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>>57852332 (OP)
Remilitarize Russia and send them in waves. They're clearly buck-broken enough to do it. Once both sides are spent, swoop in and finish the job. Pat Russia on the head and tell them they saved the world again and can have another parade day and an invitation to NATO.
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>>57852332 (OP)
We would send 3rd world "allies" like Filipinos or slavs to invade, no one would care about the casualties.
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>>57852332 (OP)
Blockade and let them starve. It’s not worth trying to invade China it’s pretty defensible in terms of the terrain and has literally millions of bodies they can feed into a meat grinder before starting to feel a strain on their manpower. Without food imports a 3rd of the population will die within a few years or they’ll start crab bucketing and NATO can pick the winner.
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>>57852332 (OP)
chinese take anchorage
war continues until 2070s
nuclear holocaust soon after
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>>57852955
> Without food imports a 3rd of the population will die within a few years 
Retard
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>>57852332 (OP)
you dont need to invade taiwan for it to fall.
economic sanctions, limit food and fuel imports to china, maybe some green berets/CIA glowies to start an insurgency in south and west china, and the regime will topple by itself because Xi doesn't have much competent and autonomous people left in middle management or even in his high cabinet to manage the crisis properly. Xi is like the incarnation of stalin. he has been purging everyone.
>>57853257
china is one of the largest importers of food and energy in the world, and their local food production is still reeling from maoist era retardation that damaged the lands in the longterm and got rid of most farming competency in the populace.
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>>57852332 (OP)
>Chinese industrial capacity bombed into the Stone Age 
>PLAN at the bottom of the ocean
>US bases in Asia are craters but new ones replaced them and US/NATO continues to have air superiority
>Vietnam on Tren on the ground 
>stalemate
>social unrest in all countries involved puts an end to the war 
>world economy in shambles
>everywhere is a revolution except for maybe a few places in Africa and South America 
>antichrist does his thing 
>Christ does his thing 
>aliens were also there 
>turns out everything was just consciousness, magnetism, and electricity 
> ƧΉIƬƧ ЩΣIЯD MΛП ︻̵̵̿
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>>57852332 (OP)
Will the pajeets get to shit their way into china once the use keep them distracted on the Pacific? Or will they instead nuke themselves into oblivion with Pakistan?
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>>57852332 (OP)
this is gay and retarded fantasy coming from that retard who can't stop trying to be famous.
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>>57853627
>please sanction china more
china isnt being sanctioned in any major way.
US is one of the largest food and energy producers. If the entire world sanctioned the US then lower class people wouldnt be able to afford eggs and beef, but they wont starve. Electronic supply chain are disrupted for a year, but we'll live without phones.
China is an industrial, urbanized society that literally destroyed their agricultural sector in the great leap forward. An industrial society that relies on importing 75% of its energy by the way. you sanction china and you get famine that is worse than the great famine, its industrial sector is gone entirely because no energy, and now the lights are off and people in the city are starving, and they cant even trade in the black market for fuel and food because their industrial capacity is gone
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>>57853473
>and their local food production is still reeling from maoist era retardation
you don't know wtf you're talking about and you're being a huge faggot pretending you are.
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>>57854067
>urbanized society that literally destroyed their agricultural sector in the great leap forwar
>doesn't realize China is self sufficient in food. Doesn't realize China's energy import is for it's manufacturing export.
If you sanction China you entire society break down because you won't have the parts or machinery to build a street lamp 

This is the so called américain education?
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>>57854166
>>57854078
>food security
https://www.reuters.com/article/china-fertilizers-quotas-idUSKBN2OQ0KY 
no fertilizer. no food.
>you wont have the parts or machinery to build a street lamp
you can rebuild industrial capacity. luckily, US has good relations with canada and mexico who can trade the rest of the missing things.
unfortunately, you cant "rebuild" energy capacity. you either have fuel or you trade for it. unfortunately for china, their immediate neighbours dont exactly like them. You can bet that malaysia, taiwan, singapore, indonesia, india, japan will comply with sanctions not because of their obedience to the UN but because they actually have an interest in seeing the CCP eat shit. No energy --> no petrochemical processing, no cheap products, no exports, no processing of fertilizers for their precious foods, no money
Oh and lets not forget to mention their brilliant inverted triangle demographics. those one child policies during industrialization sure are doing a number.
>inb4 russia
i guess they can rely on russian gas (and they actually are relying on russian gas), but in case you havent noticed russia is not the most reliable ally, and neither is china, so they dont exactly trust each other. additionally, russia is also currently undergoing their own crisis.
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>>57852332 (OP)
Count Russia on the West side, remember USA and Europe would rather prefer Ukraine to sign a piece treaty where they recover their 2021 territories while letting Russia keep Crimea to save face, in the deal Ukraine becomes a member of NATO an EU while the russian regime somewhat manages to save face.

By 2027 the West can make a deal with Russia, in exchange for a lifting of the economic sanctions and Lend-lease 2.0, the russians attack northern China while they are already are fighting a naval war against Taiwan, USA and their pacific allies, a meatgrinder in the Himalayas against India, asymetrical warfare against Vietnam and have to keep best Korea afloat.

Ultimately it will be like a mix of the Opium Wars and WW1 european theater all over again, with China's military getting decimated from so many enemies outnumbering even them, too many fronts and a blockade which will finally break Jinping grip on the government, I imagine he may attempt to press the button if someone at the CCP doesn't just put a bullet in his brain to avoid to break the taboo and save something, but I suspect even if that came to happen USA may already have by that point such advanced anti-ballistic systems to deny most nuclear attacks.

I honestly can't see how China would recover from this, as they already crippled their own demographic.
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>>57854335

I can only get so hard, broster
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>>57854166
In fact it will be beneficial to the rest of the planet to get rid China from the economic system, go check academic works and you will find the american middle class shrunk in great measure due exporting jobs to China, as a matter of fact, it was the CCP making a devil's deal with the west elites what allowed China to lift so much of their population from poverty while the west workers faced stagnation, both sides will suffer, but it's the chinese the ones who have the most to lose as don't even think for a second western corporation owners will side with China once it becomes a liability.

Really, do you honestly believed a nation with an ideology which predicates world revolution was holding back out of good will?
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>>57854319
don't shift the fucking goalpost
>and their local food production is still reeling from maoist era retardation
this is what you said. It's wrong. You're a dumb faggot.
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>>57854335
NATO? 2027? lol.

>>57854390
> go check academic works and you will find the american middle class shrunk in great measure due exporting jobs to China
you're a fucking moron
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>>57854405
i can readily admit that I'm wrong about food production; I mixed it up woth their potash imports. However, it doesn't change the fact that their demographic is shite and their fuel hungry. you put sanctions on fuel and now they lose fertilizer production. sanctions would also affect potash imports. so yes, maybe sanctions on food wouldn't do shit. but sanctions in fertilizer and fuel would destroy china.
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>>57854368
You can, listen to this while reading it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P2QaXbWWF4&t=324s [Embed]

USA is a strange nation, they are the only major world empire in history who truly seems to prefer to use the carrot rather than the stick, they DO believe it, what is more, instead of a carrot there is burger and discount coupons for more burgers, that's why they always win in the end, even if you somehow manage to make their military go away after ruining yourself to the point of starvation you eventually fall for the smell of roasted beef coming through your window. I guess all these autocrats are vegans or something.
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>>57854415
>NATO? 2027? lol.
>Finland
now go and cry to monke lord for a banana
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>>57854415
You know outside of 4chan most people don't really hate you, but the ones who rule you want you to believe that despite ample evidence on the contrary the rank and file of humanity and even the elites would rather prefer you don't live in abject poverty, no one has any use for hobos.

Let me ask you one question, what do you think you will achieve in the long term if you somehow manage to capture Taiwan?
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>>57854565
Nigga wtf are you talking about? Off shoring started way before chinese entry into the wto, and it went to Mexico and SEA. 

As far as capturing taiwan, it’s one less headache for china. Taiwan is a huge security complication for China, especially given US designs to use the cross strait relationship as the lynchpin of Chinese maritime containment.
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>>57854528
> USA is a strange nation, they are the only major world empire in history who truly seems to prefer to use the carrot rather than the stick
This is the biggest bullshit in a thread full of bulshits.
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>>57854319
>no fertilizer. no food.
uhm did you even read the first link you fag? 
Did you just google it and copy the first link?
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>>57854727
Security Complication? What security complication? They literally just sit there and sit on an island asking China to fuck off. If China were willing to negotiate an end to the standoff, it would end. China's 'negotiation' is "You become part of us immediately and we strip your people of all civil rights like we did Hong Kong."
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>>57854745
what do you think they need to produce phosphate fertilizer smartypants?
thats right. energy. energy they wont have if they get sanctioned
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>>57854776
Every energy exporter is not going to simultaneously sanction them.
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>>57854776
name 1 process that doesn't need energy.
are you are retarded by any chance?
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oh and were you implying that China imported oil to make fertilizers? 
wow. that's very smart. I bet you are from Taiwan or some kind of SEANIG. Nowadays you are all the same with the diversity BS going on.
>>57854775
when the KMT was still strong, they did negotiated but was told to fuck off. You don't get play coy when you become weak kek.
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>>57854800
which makes china's reliance on energy imports even worse. thanks for proving my own point.
>>57854797
they dont have to. again, china imports 75% of its energy. lets be generous and say that it falls by 20% from sanctions initially, ramping up further and further over time. What so you think happens to chinese society and economy.
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>>57854840
>china imports 75% of its energy
lol
lmao even
I am arguing with a monke
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>>57854840
>What so you think happens to chinese society and economy.
If we're talking about a full war economy, which is really the only condition I could see sanctions like that happening, they would have shut down all their useless thingamabob factories. They would have enough energy for fertilizer. Remember Japan could prosecute a full invasion of south east asia even after getting sanctioned
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>>57854775
> They literally just sit there and sit on an island asking China to fuck off.
You’re a fucking retard and don’t know shit.
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>>57854737

"I may be an asshole but I'm not a 100% dick."
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>>57852332 (OP)
Isolating them from technology, energy and food supply would be enough to destroy them, wouldn't be good for US and world but much better than all out war or nuke exchange.
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Invading China sounds completely retarded, like attempting to invade the USA

nothing would make it worthwhile.
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>>57853627
>PLAN successfully projecting beyond its own borders in a global conflict
Thats a wild fantasy novel you're writing
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>>57852332 (OP)
>The Korean war 2.0 is playing out with large formations of Chinese and American troops in support of whatever Koreans are left on either side. Seoul is an irradiated wasteland. All that's left are the Chinese mainland and the North Koreans. Iran is sitting this one out due to civil unrest.
North Korean brass literally joke about the war with the south never coming. There is exactly zero desire with conflict with the south, meanwhile China literally tried to have Kim Un killed in a quiet coup that resulted in several of his family members dead (some of whom China was backing lol).
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Why even invade China, seems like too much of a "mainland invasion of Japan" sort of situation to be truly considered.
Why not just take the "nuclear option" and fully blockade it from the SEA straits or from the shore if naval supremacy has been attained.
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>>57854898
You know, China's biggest flaw is having this belief about every single chinese being expendable in order to achieve the great leader's goals "for the greater good", it's only when you learn to appreciate the individual when true prosperity can be achieve, because ultimately it's the individuals, however flawed and easy to corrupt, the ones who made a society, not the other way around.


>>57854934
Why don't you run a poll with taiwanese people? Let's see what they think about becoming part of China.
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>>57853627
Imagine the CCP council making a PPT presentation about how the war in Taiwan is going when suddenly the audio systems are hacked and they hear the most fearsome thing ever:

>GOOD MORNING SIRS!
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>>57855051

A lot of Chinese just under half are very anti-CCP

because of one man, millions were barricaded in their homes for 3 years with no work, no means of living, no food and even when the building was on fire. many died starving but this is routine for communists. where they go, mass death and ruination follow

covid really opened the eyes of the chinese people, that's why there is so much less shilling nowadays by chink idiots and also the government apparatus is visibly scared in their propaganda
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>>57852332 (OP)
>Invading a nuclear power. 
>Get glassed from this plant
>Fuck around and find out lmao
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>>57852332 (OP)
>Would we invade at all?
whatever for? if they start a war: just bomb and starve them until they start behaving
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>>57855127
what the fuck is wrong with india
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>>57852332 (OP)
>2027
>Russia still being a threat to anyone
>Russia still even existing
If you're going to larp or shitpost, at least make it believable.
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>>57855477
Ukraine vs Russia war will last 4 years
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That map is unrealistic. An invasion into China from India, especially northwest India, isn't happening. You're forgetting the borders are mountainous.

A land invasion into China is only geographically realistic from Myanmar and Vietnam.
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>>57855061
>Switched to shitposting because he ran out of dumb arguments
lmao
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>>57852332 (OP)
do people even live close to the nepalese border? it's all mountains and plateaus several km above sea level, it must be miserable beyond belief
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>>57852332 (OP)
>How would this play out?

Your fantasy is so stupid I suggest adding ponies and Warhammer characters. That you didn't instantly implode from shame at the idea of sharing it says a lot about you and nothing good.

It's so stupid it's not even cool fun fantasy. It's a singularity of duh.
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>>57853627
>Your mind on Ching Chong
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>>57854067
>If the entire world sanctioned the US then lower class people wouldnt be able to afford eggs and beef,
Honestly they still would. Basic food products are so abundant in the US that they could feed the entire world if they wanted to and used their land efficiently, ie. onions and corn instead of McGregor's 5800 acre organic beef farm.
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>>57855487
What is your point..?
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>>57855127
>2023 same population
>2030 (prediction) doubling the gap
In just 8 years.
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>>57857672
*2022
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>>57855567
Then why is food getting more expensive in America while staying the same in china?
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>>57855150
>A lot of Chinese just under half are very anti-CCP
What kind of propaganda bubble you live in? American probably. Reminder that the great firewall of china exists for YOUR protection

>>57854727
>Chinese maritime containment.
Chinese warships surround Taïwan and police strait traffic while the US navy ran away as they always do
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>>57852332 (OP)
Imagine Vietnam, Korea or Operation Downfall but with a terrain 50x larger, with mountains (deathtraps) and cities (deathtraps) to clear and against a military at 0.75% the capability of USA and armed with a fully functioning nuclear triad including HGV's.

Retard.

>>57857688
Churchill was right, they breed like cockroaches.

If America was clever it would do an Iran vs Iraq, or Ukraine vs Russia. Arm both sides (covertly/overtly) and force India and China to slug it out for a decade before pacifying both countries and installing favourable rulers.
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>>57852955
China does not have the manpower to face off against the world. It only has enough to make it difficult.
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>>57855473
Democracy is unable to stop subhumans breeding.
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>>57855061
>Why don't you run a poll with taiwanese people? Let's see what they think about becoming part of China.
are you actually retarded or do you not understand Taiwan is full of US SIGINT and HUMINT TODAY and the US had nuclear weapons on Taiwan pointed at China until the 72?
Do you know who came up with the Taiwan ADIZ? THE US.
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>>57857775
Lmao
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>>57852955
This plan ends in the Chinese firing off their nuclear arsenal in a coutner-value strike just to spite everybody. Probably after building a couple hundred extra warheads and missiles beforehand.

You don't play stupid fuck-fuck games like trying to starve a nuclear power to death without winning some astonishingly stupid prizes for it.
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no smartie pants plans ITT
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>>57859560
>MUH NUKES
kek chang melty
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>>57857775
>Reminder that the great firewall of china exists for YOUR protection
more like our sanity, I wish India would follow china's lead and keep all of their citizens in a little propagandized bubble
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>>57852332 (OP)
everyone forgets the chinks have about 50M minorities to eat before they start starving
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>>57859560
Call me when china can even hit the same city they're aiming at.
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>>57860313
50m minorities
30 million living in caves
countless undocumented bastards of the One Child Policy

Honestly these people are more likely to take over china than be eaten by it, Most have never been in a school or received anything but violence from the party. 

Regular Han fucking suck as fighting. If the splinter-chinese who have been living in caves for the last hundred years show up and start rampaging, most chinese will just stand there staring like cattle while they're killed, we've all seen how they react in rekt footage.
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>>57857722
Staying the same? You niggers literally just reopened communal rice halls. You know, those things that worked out so well for you last time?

The Chinese consume ten million gallons of sewer-oil a year.
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>>57857775
the wall is not to keep Chinese citizens from accessing Western media. It's to keep the West from accessing Chinese internal eco system.
Ask yourself: is it easier to access the outside internet from within China or is it easier to access Chinese service from outside?
The former is piss easy, even a child can do it. Now the second, even the glow niggers in Langley cannot reliably do it. 
That's how most of the "top secret" leaky of Chinese amunition/armor spec "leaks" are just literal screencap of what they show on TV regularly.
You may ask then why don't sexpats in China make a living by "leaking" these shit regularly?
It's simple they cannot understand Chinese LMAO. Even if they have lived there for 20 years.
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>>57854319
Russia can provide both fertilizer, food and fuel and coal to China. And Russia is the biggest producer of all of those at different times.
Which is why friendly relations with Russia is of such importance to China. Friendly Russia completelly covers Northern flank of China, allowing them to concentrate resources on the East and South. To this end China is even Ok if Russia is influential in Central Asia, because Stable Central Asia provides safe Western flank for China, allowing them to not bother covering this flank. 

Whatever idea of "Owning" or "Dealing with" China you have - China knows about it for decades and prepared for it. How do they know about it? Because Chinese can read English and they can read Americans bragging about "blockading China and starving China". And so Chinese prepared for that. 

But whats funny is that you don't know how China can deal with you - because you don't know Chinese and Chinese are not dumb enough to tell you about their plans in English. So fuck around and find out.
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>>57859560

This

The obvious solution is a First Strike in China.
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>>57860736
>If you block of the vast majority of China's trade they'll just instantly pivot their entire economy lol
This is how people think when their only experience with conflict or business is in video games.
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>>57860894
touche'. How's that trade war going? Easy to win?
>i buy at walmart. therefore, walmart is dependent on me
lol
lmao even
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>>57861536
>How's that trade war going? Easy to win?
which one? none of them impact me personally
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>>57861573
>none of them impact me personally
if you live in the US it certainly impacts you.
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Just hit them with the same sanctions used on Russia. China is so resource dependent it would collapse. Mongola, Tibet, Vietnam, Korea, Kazakhstan, Kyrgzstan Myanmar and Russia can all claim clay. The rest of china is broken up into separate regions.
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>>57860894
China has several years worth of grain stored. That buys them plenty of time.
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>>57852955
Where did this stupid fucking meme come from? Do people even bother to think through the shit they here propagandists say?


China produced 25% of world grain and only has about 20% of the world population. It is a major rice exporter. A little over a decade ago China didn't import any better cereal crops.

>But YouTubers, Tucker, and /pol/ talk about their food sufficiency falling to 67% from 94% in 2000. They have sources and graphs.

And those sources are correct, but you have to know what those figures mean. They are about the share of food/feed for final consumption in China.

China didn't loose tons of arable land or forget how to farm over the last two decades. What happened is that food grown in China got relatively more expensive due to gains in foreign productivity and because wages rose dramatically. Since more Chinese can work in non-farming jobs, wages need to be higher to get labor. Chinese land, overall, is also not a fertile as that of other major food exporters.

So China imports more because it is cheaper. Chinese farming decreased due to competition but could be restarted in a war, and they still make 95% of their own cereals and are net exporting calories from cereals.

The ratios aren't about calories, what keeps people alive, but in $ amounts. China got richer and eats way, way more meat and out of season fresh produce. This is significantly more expensive and also is more likely to be imports (either meat itself or the feed).

China can and does produce enough calories to keep their population alive. Currently they are getting more obese. 42% of adults there are overweight or obese now.

Losing imports would cause high prices and force people to eat differently and even likely actual hunger problems in some regions (more to food be rerouted to rich Han areas from minority areas realistically) but some huge % or even a % dying of starvation is fucking retarded.
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>>57852332 (OP)
>2027
This is cope. You have until June.
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>>57852332 (OP)
to be honest,the best way to cripple infrastructure would be to send a F35 squadron to the three gorges dam and send some trollage their way

if China is gonna have any anti air presence in that area (likely) its possibly still easilly disrupted by a E/A-18 growler or more f35's specced for AG operations
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>>57853473
China has high food self sufficiency rate than the US until the mid-2000s.

China has higher food self sufficiency than some wealthier nations, e.g. the UK, Japan.

It is eating way, way more meat now and way, way more oil. They're wouldn't starve without exports, they would just go back to eating meat occasionally, stop frying shit, and get unfat.

A funny thing about food supply is that it increases health and life expectancy at first, moving up from low levels, peaks, and then begins making people less healthy as food becomes relatively more affordable.
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>>57863905
true,that is funny OP,dosage is important for anything
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So what's going to happen to Ukraine after we pivot to Taiwan? More importantly, what's going to happen to the ukrainian shill farms that police nu-/k/?
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>>57860736
>and Chinese are not dumb enough to tell you about their plans in English
lmao, they tell us their plans all the time
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>>57852332 (OP)
>How would this play out?
Establish a naval blockade preventing even food items to be delivered to them. They'll starve by the dozens of millions and probably start eating each other within 6 months. Negotiate with them and demand a total surrender of their nuclear capabilities and assets, along with complete demilitarization of their conventional forces or their entire population will be starved to death.
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>>57863905
China just reopened communal rice halls (yknow, those helped out so much last time) and the Chinese consume over ten million gallons of sewage oil every year.
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>>57863903
The three gorges dam is like 1000 miles away from Okinawa. I get that F-35 is "stealth" but I don't think they make it there with a E/A-18 in tow.
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>>57864316
Obviously,thats why its not the prime objective,i said this with forward operating bases and like with troops and land already taken.

obviously a strike from taiwan to the 3 gorges dam would not be possible...
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>>57852332 (OP)
More interesting is how would you defend China with a 3 front war in the west, south, and east. Assume Russia is neutral. How do you defend yourself from the pajeets in the himalayas, japs in the east, and americans in the east and south? No nukes for either side. Assume south korea is preoccupied with an invasion in north korea, but they may break through and invade the Northeast. 

The biggest issue is the pajeets in the west. I don't see any easy way of neutralizing them just because there's so many of them and you may need to go deep into India. If the western front has a quick end, maybe with China settling borders in India's favor, the defense in the east would be much easier. The northeast is chill because of how the borders are drawn.
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>>57865005
>Assume south korea is preoccupied with an invasion in north korea
It's never going to happen. The north is completely disinterested in renewing that conflict, it's all just for show.
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>>57865005
>Assume Russia is neutral.
Based retard.
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>>57852332 (OP)
Realistically, I highly doubt we would ever put boots on the ground aside from special forces strikes or whatever, maybe outlying islands, but China just has too many fucking people and is too big to invade and subdue. Much more likely that we would interdict trade in the Indian Ocean and maybe tit for tat strike at fuel storage and the nascent Russian pipeline infrastructure if they attacked US bases during a Taiwan invasion. China's fuel supply is all imported and almost all of it comes through the Indian Ocean. 

>>57854166
China is not food secure when you consider agricultural inputs. We build the machines that Chinese use to make most cheap Chinese shit. Loss of China's manufacturing base would be temporarily painful but it is absolute pure hopium to think it would actually cause a societal breakdown rather than a few years of heightened inflation and general economic malaise as supply chains readjust. Loss of foreign capital, foreign export markets and large portions of the global agricultural and energy markets would cause far, far more economic pain to China than what China is even capable of inflicting on the collective west or USA alone.
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>>57865223
>China's fuel supply is all imported 
implessive
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>>57865005
>defend yourself from the pajeets in the himalayas
Logistics constraints
>japs in the east
It'd be fun watching the Japanese parliament justifying amphibious landing capacities for the SDF
>and americans in the east and south?
America has never conducted an amphibious assault against the mainland of a country with a comparable navy. Truth is, landing spots aren't exactly dime a dozen.
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>>57864144
Based retard
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>>57863894
What's the implication here? Joe Biden dies and NATO vanishes along with him?
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>>57865659
China interfered in the 2020 election so that the demented retard would be left unprepared for their summer 2023 Taiwan invasion.
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Umm... The year is 2023, NATO is not at war with China, and no open conflict between it and Russia. Putin still rules over Russia, the oligarchs are still in control, Taiwan has not been invaded, WAY more than 100k Chinese have died, and Seoul is doing just fine.
Fucking dumbass.
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>>57860736
>russia can provide fertilizer, food, fuel, and coal
i have some bad news for you.
https://delano.lu/article/russia-depends-on-western-tech
like i said, russia is currently undergoing its own crisis. its demographics is shit with constant brain drain because nobody competent wants to live in a mafia state, and its geography is just unfortunate, with most land being inhospitable and the hospitable land being flatlands that are a security threat. then just consider the maintenance, technology, and manpower needed to hoist/pipeline gas, coal, fertilizer, food to at eastern china from siberia which is closest to china.
And thats not even considering the ukraine war yet, where theyved gotten tens of thousands of their everyday civilians killed, with many more running from conscription, further destroying local expertise. And then there's the sanction on western tech which russia actually needs to keep their manufacturing and energy processing and production industry running.

>chinese are not dumb enough
chinese don't have to be stupid. they're running their system stupidly because its a one man state under Xi where he purged everyone competent who could be a threat to his power. not to mention that nobody brings him any bad news because they're scared. Again, this is the same china that claimed they destroyed COVID as soon as western journalists left, created a shit vaccine that no other countries wanted, and then surprise surprise beijing now has a pandemic, xi calls for complete lockdown and millions lose work and savings, not only that but because of the lack of natural immunity because of tight lockdowns and the shit vaccines, doctors were overwhelmed.
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>>57864230
US operates soup kitchen and eat themselves to insulin induced death. What’s your point?
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>>57865223
> We build the machines that Chinese use to make most cheap Chinese shit. 
You’re a fucking moron who’s never looked up the CAPITAL GOODS chinese import category.
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>>57866981
Soup kitchens havent
1. put local businesses out of business
2. Appeared before massive turmoil and failed at their one job so spectacularly even the most loyal patriots cringe at their very mention

Funny that you equate low quality unhealthy food to the actual sewage being used by the millions of gallons to cook in China.
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>>57865245
>America has never conducted an amphibious assault against the mainland of a country with a comparable navy.
And considering no comparable navy exists, this trend will continue regardless of who we go to war with.
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>>57866611

the shit Chinese vaccines is exactly the tell that Chinese weapons will be shit

they are producing both things in a vacuum with whatever they can copy or steal, and the people who do this never have to take any responsibility for it
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>>57867245
>t. a fucking moron
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>dude just eat only rice for years dude we're self sufficient in food
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>>57867312

You will always be subhuman, chink.
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>>57867696
>a room temp iq poverty mutt calling anybody subhuman
KEK
E
K

the irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
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>>57852332 (OP)
Threaten to Bomb the Three Gorges dam if China doesn't surrender.

Win.
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>>57852332 (OP)
It makes no sense to attempt a ground invasion. Instead, the smart play is to cut off china's sea access, cruise missile its fuel stockpiles, pipelines and railroads from russia, then wait two years and watch as they eat each other because their agricultural sector can't produce without fuel to run all the machines.

Also if you think that the chinese fleet can keep its supply routes open, you're delusional. Their navy is built for local force projection, and can only carry out small missions further out from their bases. Tankers moving fuel to china from oil-producing nations need to travel vast distances in the open seas where they are trivially easy targets. To keep them secure they'd need to escort them the whole way for which they haven't got enough warships; whereas any interdictors can drop off a boarding parties on multiple vessels a day, and that's if they're not willing to accept an oil spill and simply missile the damned things. Once it's clearly demonstrated to the tanker operators that their vessels WILL get seized or sunk if they move fuel to china, they'll stop on their own; you can't make a profit when all your ships are under arrest at port.
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>>57868269
No gun no opinion post gun
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>>57867245
>>57867696
>>57872206
Please take more mRNA vax, please be a good guineas pig.

>>57868761
I'm sure a fleet of outdated 30yr old ships can blockade the largest fleet of modern warships of the world. You american have qing dynasty tier delusion
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>>57872344
>PLAN is better than USN copium
post aircraft carriers lmfao.
But, lets even humor your copium for a second and pretend that the USN cant blockade china. it doesnt even have to blockade chinese ports lmao.
like i said, chinese southeast neighbours (vietnam, indonesia, philippines, malaysia, singapore, japan, SK, australia) arent too fond of china. they will patrol their own sea lanes and enforce chinese sanctions because china treats all its neighbours like shit.
all america has to do is park a carrier group in the persian gulf and the red sea, and there goes iranian and arabic oil. you can figure out what happens then.
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>>57873183
post missile defense system capable of intercepting maneuvering HGVs

t. not even him
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>>57873232
sure buddy, hypersonic glide missiles that china definitely have are going to be sooo useful in destroying the combined navies of india, japan, korea, vietnam, indonesia, australia, etc. and are going to hit US carriers on the other side of the world in the persian gulf and the red sea.

What else did i miss? Xi jinping's super saiyan 4 form where he big bang kamehameha the entire continental US?
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>>57873392
Indonesia is a chinese ally and India is neutral at best. But that's ignoring the fact that that there currently is no counter for maneuvering HGVs, so the whole notion about force projection using CSGs is moot. Plus our shipbuilding industry is basically nonexistent, so once we lose our current naval inventory, all our hopes of force projection are basically gone forever. But hey, at least we cut CO2 emissions by deindustrializing.
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>>57873980
India and China literally need 100% of the same water source to continue existing as countries for another century.
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>>57874021
Good thing it's not another century and the invasion is happening this summer then.
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>>57874047
My ESL gunless friend, India and China both *know* the other needs the water, increasingly, to the point of absolute necessity, so they have to already be planning each other's downfall. They're not just sitting there in a burning building waiting for the fire to reach their arm before moving. It doesn't just "suddenly become a problem" when a 100 year timer goes out. By then, one will already be completely crushed.
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>>57852332 (OP)
1. Blockade China throught the Jamba and Singapore straits to isolate China from the world energy market
2. Partner with India to invade Tibet and seize the headwaters of the Yellow and Yangtze rivers. 
China now has zero food and energy imports, zero water hence zero domestic food production, and minimal energy production. They face not only complete defeat in any industrial warfare, but complete social dissolution and destruction
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>>57874103
That's perfectly valid english, faggot. You're digging as deep as you possibly can for fresh cope, but Brandon already fucked it all up.
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>>57852336
/thread
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>>57873980
>indonesia is a chinese ally
by what metric lmao. Indonesia had, and still has a massive anticommunist hateboner since suharto. the native ethnic indos literally rioted against chinese-indos in the 90s. and those same chinese indos have no sympathy to the CCP since they either ran away from CCP control or migrated to indonesia way before Mao took over mainland china.
>b-but theyre trading partners
yeah so are the US and china. it doesnt change the fact that local politicians and the general populace are distrustful of the chinese govt
>india is neutral at best
lol. lmao even. im old enough to remember border clashes in 2022 resulting in death. if youre having border clashes involving the military, you are not neutral parties. Geopolitical rivals at best.
>whole notion about force projection using CSG is moot
how come? if HGV have no force projection and CSG do, tell me which one is more useful for shutting down trade or shutting down key infrastructure continuously in a country? if your only response to voluntary economic sanctions by the neighbours that hate you is a hypersonic missile (that you claim works), what is stopping all these same neighbours from forming a coalition and destroying you? are you just going to nuke everyone? some savvy diplomat you are, im sure the chinese public who had never had a history of public uprising will take kindly to having their lives ruined and their diplomatic image of benevolence shattered.
That's nor even the best part. lets say china manages to intimidate all their neighbours by HGVs and nukes. it still won't save them from demographic collapse. Turns out that limiting childbirth while industrializing and urbanizing tanks your birth rate like nothing else. This really shows the foresight and wisdom of the chinese tiger.
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>>57874163
Post your gun
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>>57873183
post warships with dual band AESA Radar
post warships that are not outdated crap from the 80s
post carrier with dc catapult

>post aircraft carriers lmfao.
Chinese ship based ASBM out range carriers.

>all america has to do is park a carrier group in the persian gulf and the red sea, and there goes iranian and arabic oil
China send a few dozen DF-26 and DF-27(6000-8000km range) ... no more carriers.

>>57873392
003 > Fords/Nimitz
055 >>> Tico and Zumbalts
052D >> burke 
Also your numbers are outdated.
055 : 8 +1 coming out in 2023
052D: 25+10 coming out in 2023
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>>57873392
What kind of cope is this?
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>>57875450
>china sends a dozen DF-26 and DF-27. no more carriers
lets entertain the idea that this actually happens. in which case, what a massive blunder by the military with the largest budget in the world. It doesn't solve the problem that it just takes one india, indonesia, vietnam, or malaysia, to shut off fuel transports massively from africa, iran, and arabia, assuming they even still want to trade with china. All the southeast asian countries i listed above don't have good relations with china and have an interest in seeing it eat shit because china has a history of skullduggery and trying to be the big dick in the area fucking over everyone else. As shite as US diplomacy is, china is just plain horrid.
>yeah bro china will just missile those navies too
yeah surely declaring war with all your neighbours to end economic sanctions is going to end well for china.
>chinese ships are better than american ships
hard to believe when they're attempted replicas of american ships based on humint. also, i didn't know vessels launched per year mattered more than actual tonnage in service.
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>>57875701
>india, indonesia, vietnam, or malaysia
mutt cope is hilarious.
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>>57876025
>no argument
i accept your concession
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>>57876131
>makes dumb shit up
>gets called out
>n-n-n-n-no a-a-a-a-argument!
lol
you're fucking pathetic.