mu/115823276.txt

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--- 115823276
Meat Is Murder > The Queen Is Dead = Strangeways, Here We Come >>>>> The Smiths
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Do you think they ever had sex
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>>115823319
Moz is NOT for lewd!
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>>115823276 (OP)
The Smiths = The Queen Is Dead >>> 
Meat Is Murder >>>>>>>>> Strangeways, Here We Come
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>>115823276 (OP)
Fair
>>115823319
No, that's why Moz was butthurt
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>>115823276 (OP)
The Smiths > Meat Is Murder > The Queen Is Dead > Strangeways
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>>115823446
>>115823453
Piss off, contrarian paedos.
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>>115823319
Turned Marr vegan, having anal sex is only slightly less gay than that
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>>115823276 (OP)
Sounds about right. S/T is overrated for sure.
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>>115823319
Nah. I think it mightve been the problem. I read his autobiography and I personally didn't get the vibe they fucked. Who knows though.
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>>115824401
>contrarian
Strangeways has always been their least popular album, the fuck do you mean contrarian
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Meat is Murder>The Queen is Dead>The Smiths>Strangeways
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>>115824800
Morrissey is attracted to skinhead bootboys, not twinks like Marr.
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The Smiths > TQID > Strangeways > Meat
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>>115824966
Good point
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>>115825163
Troll post.
--- 115826163
I don't listen to albums, I just take the good songs from each album and listen to random on a playlist
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>>115826163
Seeing as how both The Smiths and Morrissey have around 10,000 compilations, Moz probably approves of this.
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>>115826185
I need to show you my Smiths Playlist and let me know if I left anything good out of it
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>>115826218
here
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>>115826218
>>115826237
Most Smiths songs are great. So yes, you're leaving out dozens of quality songs. Not listening to albums is retarded.
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>>115826345
Indeed. You might as well cram all the Smiths songs in there. Yes, even the radio session alternates. Yes, even the gay covers. Yes, even the single edits.
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What's the worst Smiths song /mu/? My vote goes to Frankly, Mr. Shankley
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>>115823276 (OP)
Strangeways > The Smiths > The Queen is Dead >>>>> Meat is Murder
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>>115827073
Probably Golden Lights
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>>115823446
tasteless smartass go fuck yourself x
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>>115827073
Money Changes Everything or The Draize Train
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>>115823276 (OP)
The Smiths = Meat is Murder> Hatful of Hollow> The Queen is Dead>>>>> Strangeways, Here We Come
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>>115823276 (OP)
The Queen is Dead > The Smiths >> Meat is Murder >>>>>>>>>>>>> Strangeways
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>>115829345
>>115830388
>>115830409
Check your ears. The first album sounds like ass.
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>>115833071
filtered and wrong
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>>115823276 (OP)
The Smiths >>> The Queen Is Dead > Strangerways, Here We Come = Meat Is Murder
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The Queen is Dead = Strangways > The Smiths > Meat is Murder
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>>115826237
for starters you left out their best song
That Joke Isnt Funny Anymore
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>>115823319
moz was LUSTING over marr bussy and bulge: notice how marr is wearing tighter and tighter pants during this times in the smiths
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>>115834262
>bussy
Man asshole will never be comparable to pussy, faggot.
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>>115823276 (OP)
Queen > Louder than Bombs > Meat > strangeways> Hatful of Hollow>The Smiths
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>>115833071
>the first album sounds like ass 
Correct. The Hatful of Hollow recordings that came after were better
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>>115834033
It was dark as anon drove the point home.
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>>115834276
Tell me you've never tried prime twink bussy without telling me you've never tried prime twink bussy.
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>>115823319

The last track off the last Smiths album was called "I Won't Share You", and pretty much everybody thinks it's about Johnny Marr. Of course they had sex:

https://youtu.be/pgpfTP6EB-Q [Embed]
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>>115826237
>no Unloveable
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>>115823276 (OP)
The Queen is Dead = Self Titled > Hatful of Hollow > Meat Is Murder >> Strangeways
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>>115835588
>>115834276
>>115834262
>>115824966
>>115824800
>>115824760
>>115823449
>>115823319


Maybe the source of all Smiths songs sprang from the fact that Morrissey wished God had made him Angie Marr. (Pic rel)

Here's a quote from Moz himself from an interview with I-D magazine in June 2003:

"Why does no-one ever ask if Johnny Marr was in love with me? That he was, perhaps, madly in love with me but didn't feel he could act on that, or lacked the courage to ever take it any further?".

Morrissey has always given off the spurned lover vibes, Marr the attitude of a closet case who can't believe his big gay fling is still haunting him.

Morrissey admitted 'Angel, Angel' from Viva Hate was about Johnny, and the lyrics of that are pretty on the nose - 'I love you more than life'. Who calls their straight male friend Angel?

Then there are other songs like Speedway (Johnny was a speedway operator as a teenager)

Billy Budd (based on a novel with a main character called John Maher - Marr's birth name - who gets into a gay love affair)

and Swallow on my neck, which he wrote shortly after Johnny got a tattoo of a swallow on his neck... 

There are others... the main characters in the novel he wrote, List of the Lost, resemble Marr and his wife Angie, right down to their physical descriptions. And both characters are pined over by a very Morrissey-like character who later dies of his obsession for them.

My own personal opinion is that its all bullshit 
and Morrissey created this big gay 'did they or didn't they' drama as part of the band's mythology, Morrissey has always been very calculating when it comes to his public persona

It's all very odd, he speaks more highly of Johnny's wife than anyone else in his autobiography.
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Self-titled is just bad. "Pasty and thin [...] a blunted thud", to quote Morrissey himself.

>Pretty Girls Make Graves
>The Hand That Rocks the Cradle
>I Don't Owe You Anything
>Suffer Little Children
are all bottom-tier Smiths songs: sluggish, aimless and interchangeable. Miserable Lie starts out like this as well, but finds itself stuck in a transitional passage with no way out. Hand in Glove is unnecessarily defanged. Still Ill and What Difference Does It Make? are found in far superior versions on Hatful (issued because of the band's mortification over their debut LP), and Reel Around the Fountain already got its definitive reading during the Troy Tate sessions.

All in all, the only decent thing this specific disc has is You've Got Everything Now. The Hatful singles and Meat Is Murder were giant leaps forward.
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>>115837414
>>Pretty Girls Make Graves
>>The Hand That Rocks the Cradle
>>I Don't Owe You Anything
>>Suffer Little Children
>are all bottom-tier Smiths songs
Just admit you have shit taste. Morrissey's contention with the album was the production, never the song quality. All of the songs you mentioned feature not only some of Morrissey's best ever lyrics, but also the most beautiful guitar sound Marr ever put to record.
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>>115837414
woah woah woah say what you will but leave suffer little children out of it
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>>115837407
Congratulations on being the only person on the planet who has read List of the Lost.

With all the context in your post, it's funny that Marr turned into a lesbian wine aunt and Morrissey into a bricklayer.
--- 115837564
Sing me to sleep
Sing me to sleep
I'm tired and I
I want to go to bed
Sing me to sleep
Sing me to sleep
And then leave me alone
Don't try to wake me in the morning
'Cause I will be gone
Don't feel bad for me
I want you to know
Deep in the cell of my heart
I will feel so glad to go
Sing me to sleep
Sing me to sleep
I don't want to wake up on my own anymore
Sing to me
Sing to me
I don't want to wake up on my own anymore
Don't feel bad for me
I want you to know
Deep in the cell of my heart
I really want to go
There is another world
There is a better world
Well, there must be
Well, there must be
Well, there must be
Well, there must be
Bye
Bye
Bye
Bye, hmm
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>>115837455
Songs are made out of more than lyrics and "guitar sound" (lol). Those lone elements matter very little when the tunes aren't there. The few Smiths songs that actually give their critics right re: bedroom crywankery.
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>>115837484
They're both from the same part of Ireland as my parents (Marr's from south Kildare, Morrisey from Naas in North Kildare) so my autistic info dumping comes mostly just from a misplaced sense of national pride. The only other musician we produced was Damien fuckin' Rice!

I enjoyed LOTL. In fact I loved it. Which probably makes me certifiable.

I assumed he was taking the piss out of the entire publishing industry, laying out his own bizaare political manifesto, and writing an overvlown biography of the Smiths disguised as a Sci fi novel for losers like me who like to read too much into his lyrics (Morrissey was a relay runner at school, Marr runs marathons - how coindlcidental that all the protagonists are runners!) all while poking fun at himself at the same time.

But, like everyone with Kildare genetics, he could just be pretending to be absolutely batshit mentally insane for the craic, whilst actually being batshit insane
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>>115837565
The tunes are there, because again, they're some of Marr's finest compositions. Now stop embarrassing yourself.
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>>115837455
those songs are tge only ones Morrissey wrote with no plagiarism, and they read like sixth form poetry, lyrically (in fact they probably date from Morrissey's sixth form A level English creative writing lessons). 

They're flat and awkward. 

The best songs on that album borrow heavily from Shelagh Delaney's Taste of Honey and Eliabeth Smart's Grand Central Station - pick up either of their works and you'll find lines literally cut and pasted into the song lyrics,as well as themes, moods etc.

The most obvious is this charming man, I would go out tonight... stich to wear' is a direct quote from Honey

'I dreamt about you last night, and I fell out of bed twice' is again from taste of honey 

Pin and mount me like a butterfly is from Twrrance Stamp's film The Butterfly collector 

There are loads more on MIM, the Headmaster rituals grab and devour line is lifted from Smart

There's a few Smart plagiarisms on QID - 'I know it's over, still I cling...' is a direct lift, as is the soil line. 

That's what Cemertry Gates is about - Morrissey dragging himself for his own tendency to plagarise

Morrisey and Marr were both magpies, why people argue over their contributions is beyond me when they borrowed so heavily from others
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>>115838038
* I should add that Morrisey admitted to borrowing from both writers (and plenty other influences) in contemporary interviews . But it explains why his style changed so rapidly from Strangeways onwards- he unchained himself from the feminist literature he was reading and found his own voice.
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>>115837755
>The tunes are there
lol

They're plodding turds. Any contemporary anorak band of bedwetters could've recorded songs of similar quality. Strangely, the superlative Back to the Old House and This Night Has Opened My Eyes both date from this period as well, so The Smiths weren't incapable of writing gently paced and atmospheric material. They just decided to put all the crap ones on the most hotly anticipated debut album of the '80s.
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>>115838393
You just have shit for ears. The studio version of Back to the Old House is far more "plodding" than any of the other songs.
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>>115838501
The hits just keep coming.

Back to the Old House has a clear Moz vocal and a nice committed swing and points toward future career highlights like That Joke or I Know It's Over. Graves/Cradle/Owe You/Suffer are undistinguished and indistinguishable, mid-tempo nothings.
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>>115837750
Well, you (and a morrissey-solo post) have finally convinced me to read LOTL. The initial reception was absolutely savage, but I've come to believe that after his various controversies anything Morrissey writes will be treated only to hatchet jobs and not serious literary consideration.
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>>115837407
what the hell did moz see in him, he looks like a nerd
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>>115838899
How does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laXY5e5JaV0 [Embed]
have clearer vocals and more "swing" than
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGl7g_a5YLA [Embed]
?
Have you even listened to these songs?
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>>115838995
Marr was the only Smith (or perhaps overall musician) that Morrissey ever saw as his equal, and the admiration stemmed from Marr being the complete opposite personality-wise. It was Marr that knocked on Morrissey's door and asked him to form a band, who set up rehearsals, who went out and found members. He breathlessly spread the Smiths gospel around Manchester and elsewhere and didn't shy away from conflicts with promoters and record company people, whereas Morrissey's preferred confrontation tactic was to quietly acquiesce and then stew in anger. Add the younger Marr's insane guitar/writing/arrangement skills and it's no wonder. Just imagine having fresh Marr tapes -- fully-formed songs -- dropped in the mailbox on a regular basis. Manna from heaven. Morrissey is the luckiest man in music.

Marr was a bit of a nerd, but the good type. Many Smiths compositions came from his desire to combine highly specific influences or trying out unorthodox studio/amp/pedal techniques, relinquishing control and seeing if mistakes could lead to something interesting, yet he was never tediously "challenging" in that British antagonistic post-punk manner (which would have been so easy). Great guy.
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>>115823276 (OP)
It sucks being hererosexual knowing I will never experience true love like this, since all women are vapid whores.
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and so is OP
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>>115823276 (OP)
If I tell people I like The Smiths will they think im a faggot or a nazi incel chud (I am one)?
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>>115826237
Unloveable is missing
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>>115837414
Suffer Little Children is one of their best songs though
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>>115843011
They'll assume you're a racist mexican
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>>115823276 (OP)
the smiths > the queen is dead > strangeways >>>>> meat is murder
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>>115838995
He was cute, if you're into translucent 14 year old Irish lesbians. And he's aged very well, he just looks like an older version of his 1980s self.

Morrissey loves contradictions - skinheads in nail polish. 

And here was this working class council estate gobshite (Wythenshaw is rough), with a criminal conviction for handling stolen goods, who is ambitious and pushy and driven, loves alcohol, does drugs, parties... but has a hidden side, and is also a massive nerd with an encyclopedic fondness for black American girl pop groups, wearing eyeliner and backcombing his hair.

Morrissey was absolutely obsessed with him. But I don't believe it was sexual/lust driven. Morrissey is your classic emotional Irishman. We really are deeper feelers than Bongs, no offence to ya. Its why we drink. 

They love each other deep down, but Morrissey seems very sensitive to criticism from Johnny, other people's attacks just bounce off him but Johnny makes a cheeky Dorrissey joke to a British journalist and Morrissey's penning catty open letters like a scorned teenage girl. That's true, abiding love right there. 

Morrissey also loves mythology and high drama. A lot of their public 'spat' is just Gallagher-brother spin and high jinks.

(He still clearly follows every bit of media promo Marr does, which is quite comical)
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>>115838962
It's the total opposite of Autobiography, to the point where its so badly written - but with some great stylistic flourishes and silly puns - that you know he was sticking two fingers up to the success of that book. 

It's a short read, only a little over a 100 pages but you'll need some high quality opiates to stem the nuclear migrane you're gonna have, the paragraphs tend to wind and collapse in on themselves to the point it takes an hour to read one page

Don't read it as high literature, read it as Morrissey ranting at you over a few pints in the pub! Every single character is Morrissey, in one way or another. They're all just mouthpeices.

It retreads a lot of the same ground re politics, sexuality, women as the first 2 smiths albums. There's a section on sex that is a close prose retelling of Pretty Girls Make Graves

There's a fair bit of misogyny in it, the usual 'women are children, straight men are misguided, gay male relationships are superior' stuff. 

Its basically a /pol pamphlet, taken to its hyperbolic extreme
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Post ONE Smiths song with a catchy pop melody. You literally can't
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>>115827073
It's Miserable Lie and it's not even close, actually painful to listen to near the end but I finish it every time because I refuse to skip a track.
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>>115837414

Did Morrissey stretch George Michael's hole?
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>>115833071
Is there a remaster that doesn't sound like it was recorded in a tin can?
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>>115846016
No. Impossibile. The original name for Unloveable was
>George Michael's unstretchable
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>>115846016
George is obviously the alpha here. Wham! goes the wang. 
>>115846025
No. The album's issues can't be mastered away. It was poorly recorded and poorly mixed, and around half of it is meandering filler. It's also Morrissey at his least confident, which is why he disappears into a Stipe-like muddle at times. Later Moz could save slapdash songs with a passionate vocal and lyric, but here he is lost and helpless.
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>>115848778
GM liked pitching AND catching.
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>>115846016
You guys know irishmen have, on average, the smallest penises in Europe? That's why they drink!

(Morrissey is a total bossy bottom)
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>>115845870
The one that has 80+ million youtube views and hundreds of millions of streams? 

You know, the one that every person who was living in England in the 1980s immediately thinks of when you mention the band, 'cos they performed it on TV for the 8 million people who tuned into top of the pops on the bbc every sunday night?

You know, the one about bumsex!

(Ask is pretty catchy, too)
--- 115850697
Food in mouth
The grease shines bright upon my hands
No, it's not like any other meal
This one is different because it's fat

Food in mouth
We can eat whatever we please
And everything depends upon
How gluttonous we are

And if the people stare, then the people stare
Oh, I really must eat and i really must drink
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>>115839369
>>115845721
thanks based smiths historians
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>>115823276 (OP)
Why is it that the top always seems gayer than the bottom?
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>>115845870
Post ONE Smiths song without a catchy pop melody. You literally can't
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>>115846016
I don't think Morrissey would've been the one stretching.
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>>115851552
It takes a queen to snare a kang, ladies!

Marr had that awful period in the early 90s where he shaved his hair off and tried to dress in that baggy Madchester/Noel Gallagher style, while Morrissey was busy camping it up in those awful mesh vests...

... so I think that's just driven your point home

But for some reason, assuming they fooled around at all, I always thought Marr seemed like the type who'd let Morrissey suck him off in a hotel room or his car when he was drunk, but never returned the favour. 

And Morrissey enjoyed that dynamic in private, while being the obvious leader in public, and that was the basis for all the big gay lyrical dramatics - he got close to Johnny, but not close enough
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>>115852998
Given old George's fondness for gimp masks and Morrissey's love of leather, who knows

I saw George playing with his hair like a coy 14 year old girl while Morrissey was rambling on in that video... somebody definately made a pass in the green room afterwards

Didn't Morrissey have a fling with Pete Burns of dead or alive?
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>>115851464
There's 2 band biographies - The Severed Alliance and A Light That Never Goes Out - that are worth taking a look at, as well as Marr's autobiography. 
Morrissey's autobiography is very entertaining but gives very little Smiths info relative to the amount of time he spends bloviating about court cases and Polish chart positions.
Happy reading!
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>>115853908
Thoughts on Goddard?
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why does moz have spastic handwriting
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>>115853856
lmao
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I Don't Owe You Anything is THE best Smiths song. I will DIE on that hill.
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>>115857209
Ghastly song. Bottom 5 material.
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>>115857318
You could not be more wrong. It has the best melody and groove of any smith song.
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>>115851552
Some Tops Are Gayer Than Bottoms
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>>115855024
it's a sign of intelligence
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>>115857318
It’s one of his best vocal performances lol
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>>115855024
It's an affectation. His normal writing is square and neat.
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>>115856723
Who topped?
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>>115857461
lol good one
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>>115860875
Explains why everyone on here has a permenant boner for this guy.

Smiths era Moz was like the rockstar of every 19-year old pretentious, sexually confused, turbo-autistic obscure music-obsessed NEET's dreams. 

He's beyond satire. Literally a comically exaggerated version /mu made manifest.
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>>115861609
This is the funniest fucking thing I've ever read. Is this his memoir or something?
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>>115861653
Yes. That's one of the (many) highlights, but it actually reads like that all the way.
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>>115861702
It almost reminds me of how American Psycho was written. Imagine a movie like that, all through Moz's perspective.
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>>115861839
Instead of murder, every interaction ends with Morrissey crawling under the staircase and furiously rocking back and forth as he pens a poison letter.

("I have to return some videotapes" -> "I have to buy some postage stamps")
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>>115823276 (OP)
And they're all below 4/10
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>>115862439
Name your top three bands.
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>>115861653
It does drag in places but the first 1/3 is endlessly quotable. 

Its also very exposing. He puts all his neurosis out there. 

His affection for working class people is evident, even as he struggles with the shame of growing up in poverty, struggles with his ethnic and sexual identity, resents his parents for not being middle class enough to afford him the life he wants, and develops a superiority compelx to deal with the suffocating prison that is the British social class system 

It should be required reading for teenage boys and anyone struggling with 'incel' shaming. He criticises straight male culture and its habit of placing pursuit of sex above personal development for young boys, especially working class ones. 

It's not a marker of masculinity and often leads to you hating women, vs actually realising you're better off keeping your virginity until you've matured enough to identify the decent ones. He regrets there being no civil rights movement for straight men (and tomboys)

The tributes to his two childhood best friends - both of whom died when he was 16 - are very moving. One, a girl who developed sudden, aggressive cancer was the girl Ouija Board was based on.

As fluffy and throwaway a single as that song was, I've always thought it was one of his best. Sweet and sad.
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>>115823276 (OP)
The Smiths > Meat is Murder = The Queen is Dead > Strangeways
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>>115860792

Is Morrissey geberqlly a top or a bottom?
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>>115861839
>>115862424

Check out the penpal letters he exchanged as a teenager with a guy called Robert Mackie. 

A quick Google will turn up most of them, I think the guy published them online somewhere

Sexualising his older sister, autistic David Bowie discography rants, corny pick up lines, bad taste jokes, casual racist banter, self deprecation, requests for free pornography / nudes

They're great fun and you can see the persona-building in them, something he never quite carried over into his music. He's a better writer than lyricist 

He should've tried his hand at sitcom or scriptwriting under a pseudonym, as anon above astutely points out, he's got that Brett Easton Ellis knack for satirising people (and himself)
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>>115861609
>Geoff [Travis] had approached me after Meat is Murder had entered at number 1, and he leaked a little touch of sentiment that almost verged on the human as he said, ‘I’ve dreamt of this happening all of my life,’ which seemed to me to be unlikely, since Rough Trade had never even remotely been in the running for a number 1 album, and with this gush of acknowledgement Geoff handed me a bag of biscuits bearing a 2 pounds and 75 pence sticker still affixed. I gave no answer. How could there be one? I assumed and hoped I was mid-dream.
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>>115823276 (OP)
">>>>> The Smiths"
Shine
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>>115863099
>He's a better writer than lyricist
What do you mean?
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louder > hatful > smiths > queen > world > meat > strangeways > rank
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>>115865925
Writing words to a song and writing words for the sake of words are two different forms of art. It's like how (in my opinion) Henry Rollins' books can be more interesting than his lyrics, because he doesn't have to conform to a song, he can just go wherever he wants.
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>>115867766
Two gruelling books and some cheeky letters trump the entire Smiths + solo output?
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>>115867766
>Henry Rollins
>interesting
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>>115868574
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>>115860792
>In Too Deep #14
>That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore #49
Stretch out and wait, Steven...
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>>115862424
The image of this seriously geeked me
--- 115871101
Morrissey just fired Alain!
And replaced him with a nu-metal/industrial/blues rock dyke!

She's the blond.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaDAfcdKaNA [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxKVnVgobY [Embed]

GOD AWFUL GARBAGE.
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>>115871101
My guess is Alain had a problem with playing in Israel. But yeah, this sucks. Nobody wants a woman in Morrissey's band.
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>>115871101
never expected anything good out of him anyway, bonfire was a pleasant surprise, makes no difference at this point if he makes lesbian korn now
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>>115871398
He loves lesbians and has always had a boner for stronk 1st wave feminist dykes. His actual lifelong best and closest friend is a woman (Linder Sterling), so why is this a surprise? A lot of n00bs and Andrew Tate fans in here. 

Based Moz, eternally pissing off just about everybody
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>>115868300
Once upon a time, before the collective IQ of the West dropped 3 standard deviations below that of the average dog turd, writing was a higher and worthier pursuit than music. Even a bad novel takes more effort to write than a bunch of lyrics (and most of Morrissey's early lyrics were inspired or even directly lifted from whatever feminist poetry he was reading at the time)
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>>115871129
What's with Morrissey's big boner for Israel anyway?
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>>115874380
They're the only people (apart from Mexicans) who are gay enough and midwit enough to be impressed by the histrionicrantings of a 60-something year old teenage narcissist.
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>>115874380
I think he just hates Muslims desu
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>>115871129
>Alain had a problem with playing in Israel.
why would he have a problem with that?
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>>115862424
top kek i can imagine such a scene
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>>115875509
morrisseys face when he read your post
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>>115855024
Damn he’s just like me Fr fr
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POST MORE MORRISSEY LORE I DEMAND IT
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>>115876373
morrissey just canceled his entire july tour and demands a printed apology in the sunday times
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>>115876458
>its a bit chilly
>cancels the entire show after only 20 minutes
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>>115876449
>One day during five-a-side, I flip forwards and crash down on my right hand. This stirs a blip of compassion from Mr Sweeney, who then takes me into his private office, whereupon he proceeds to massage my wrist with anti-inflammatory cream. At 14, I understand the meaning of the unnecessarily slow and sensual strokes, with eyes fixed to mine, and I look away, and the moment passes. Shortly thereafter, drying myself off after a shower, Mr Sweeney leans into my mid-region to ask, ‘What’s that scar down your stomach, Steven?’ – but his eyes are lower, and these are the moments that cause you to check certain words in dictionaries, and for the first time you are forced to consider yourself to be the prize, or the quarry.
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>>115876449
Morissey once claimed that The Smiths broke up because Johnny Marr, who owned 2 Alsatians, insulted Morrissey's pet cat Tibby.

Morrissey, naturally, responded by including a song called Alsatian Cousin on his debut solo album the following year. (British slang for an ugly slag)

Also, sometime in the early 2010s, Johnny got a tattoo of a swallow on his neck, and posted videos on his Instagram where he gargled mouthwash to show it off.

Video was captioned 'some gargles are bigger than others'.

Morrissey, unsurprisingly, had once written a song called 'A swallow on my neck'.... about prison tattoos.

I could go on for years, the entire legacy of this band now boils down to Johnny periodically posting photos of himself in various states of undress like a 60 year old cocktease, and tagging them so Morrissey's social media admin will see.

That's it. 40 years since their first single - which festured a naked gay model's arse on the vinyl cover sleeve - and the entire lore is still buttsex, butthurt and (dreams of) more buttsex.
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>>115877093
Funny thing is, that abdominal scar - which is pretty noticeable even nowadays - didnt show up until the 90s, where you can clearly see it in the live shows and photography.

There's no scar visible during the smiths era, and it would be pretty obvious as he was always posing topless.
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>>115877738
you can see it here >>115876142 →
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>>115877093

That pretty much sums up the twisted grooming mentality of fags. 

'I wasn't a victim of a 40 year old man with unnatural pederast urges, I was the prize - and if it happens to you, you should be flattered too.'

Now I understand why he defended Kevin Spacey like his life depended on it.
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>>115826237
>his smiths playlist isnt just what she said and barbarism begins at home on repeat
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>>115877863
>his smiths playlist isnt just barbarism begins at home on repeat
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>>115876485
>Overhears a member of the crowd muttering a mild criticism
>Cancels the entire tour
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>>115877981
>plays videos of animals being brutally slaughtered without warning to audiences on his 2000s tours
>cries and storms off when one cheeky lad throws a steak at him and it hits him square on the head
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>>115878018
>Fan gets seen eating a burger outside the venue
>Retires from music out of outrage
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>>115877981
>suddenly remembers the man he once saw eat a hot dog on a blackpool pier in 1966
>goes into hiding for five years
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>>115878018
Almost as if peaceful protest is different from physical assault.
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>>115880321
Big difference between peaceful protest and showing long videos of literal beheading and disembowelment to a bunch of fans unforewarned (including under 14s), who just came out for a good night and had no idea what was about to happen

I mean the guy spends 40 years wishing death and destruction on every single fat person he meets, then has a mental breakdown and threatens to sue when The Simpsons draws him with a beer gut.

You're probably a fellow PETA fag with no sense of perspective, who fantasises about throwing acid over anyone who refuses to eat ze veganburgers
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>>115880539
>Big difference between peaceful protest and showing long videos of literal beheading and disembowelment to a bunch of fans unforewarned (including under 14s), who just came out for a good night and had no idea what was about to happen
No there isn't. Just because you show graphic material doesn't mean you aren't peacefully protesting. And if you don't want to see it, you can leave or not attend in the first place. (I knew Morrissey played graphic footage before I ever attended a concert of his.)
>I mean the guy spends 40 years wishing death and destruction on every single fat person he meets
This never happened. 
>then has a mental breakdown and threatens to sue when The Simpsons draws him with a beer gut.
He didn't have a mental breakdown, and he explicitly said he wouldn't sue them, as he doesn't have the necessary funds. And he wouldn't have sued them for making him fat, he would have done so for eating meat, which is defamation of character.
>You're probably a fellow PETA fag with no sense of perspective, who fantasises about throwing acid over anyone who refuses to eat ze veganburgers
The only fag here is you, buddy. Go back to plebbit with that spacing.
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>>115873704
/mu/fags celebrate Morrissey as a proto-incel who hates women, but I seriously doubt any misogynist would sing this https://youtu.be/jpXeuADL7nE [Embed] . People read that he is a racist and then assume he is everything else right-wing, but his politics are mostly incongruous and not worth trying to understand unless you're a Smiths autist. Most of what he says is mere provocation
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>>115823276 (OP)
This thread is still up? Dude what the fuck I remember replying on Monday
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>>115881679
The story is old... but it goes on...
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>>115881673
I like him because he's also a narcissist.
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>>115823319
>>115835588
I believe they were virgins. Moz has said they were in love but not sexually. I'm sure something weirder than gay sex was going on between them but I'm glad it happened because we got some of my favorite music
>>115823276 (OP)
Strangeways > S/T > QiD = MiM > HoH
S/T is underrated, Strangeways is best when it clicks but it's their hardest album
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>>115880539
>came out for a good night
heh
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I just really really like him
he's the only guy I know who can make a song out of going to the shops with your granny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge72JjmpWto [Embed]
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AND IF A DOUBLE WHOPPER'S CHEAP
THAT'S WHAT I WILL EAT
TO TASTE A BURGER
IS SUCH A HEAVENLY THING TO ME

AND THEN A TEN TON PLATE
FILLED WITH FISH AND CHIPS
TO EAT BY YOUR SIDE
WELL THE PLEASURE THE PRIVILEGE IS MINE
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so what's your favourite solo album?
for me it's pic
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>>115882339
Yeah he was great in the 80s and then something happened
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>>115883981
He never stopped being great, retard.
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>>115884325
I think he never recovered completely from Marr rejecting him and it affected his artistic output. Not saying he's been horrible but he has certainly never touched the peaks of his work with the smiths.
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>>115884443
Yes he did, you've just never listened to his solo discography.
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>>115884443
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>>115883964
I realized the other day that Your Arsenal is all bangers, front to back. What an album.
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>>115875509
mehmet pls
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>>115883964
Southpaw
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>>115884443
>>115884499
He was at his best when the songs were full of that mix of sardonic wit, vulnerability and sassy defiance that was matched by the noodling arpeggio wizard shit Johnny was doing. 

With more open collaboration it feels like he could've done some real unique shit over his career, he was the biggest indie star of his generation FFS, but the rigidity, paranoia, control issues and disinclination to trust people probably pushed away a lot of potential partners

He should be playing massive concert halls to younger audiences who are discovering the back catalogue, and instead he's trawling around 2,000 seater venues and flushing his recording career down the toilet while Kate bloody Bush gets a career resurgence
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>>115884325
'Generation X, X Ray Specs'
'Wolf down t bone steak cancer heart attack'

Yeah, fucking Poet Laureat winning lyrics right there.

He lost what made him great, summing up shit in one liners/distilling other people's experiences or literature down into snappy couplets.

Happens to everyone. Its just comical to hear the fanboys defending his every bowel movement as if it was a stone tablet from God
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>>115885483
In any perfectly objective and fair assessment of his career, early 90s, full blown camp, mincing, autistic flailing, hip swivelling, gold lame wearing Morrissey was peak Morrissey
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>>115883964
Vauxhall And I
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>>115892203
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>>115892019
I think those fanboys are few and far between compared to how it used to be. Most fans seem pissed with Morrissey these days, and his last decade or so of far-right flirting and inexplicable career choices has sent many (even the most devoted) on their way toward safer and more politically correct pastures. I am honestly worried about his legacy at this point.
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>>115891593
>He was at his best when the songs were full of that mix of sardonic wit, vulnerability and sassy defiance
That never went away.
>that was matched by the noodling arpeggio wizard shit Johnny was doing
Johnny is a fine guitarist, but Morrissey has worked with plenty of other fine guitarists, all of whom have composed better music than Marr over the past 35 years.
>>115892019
>'Generation X, X Ray Specs'
It's Spex* and they're both punk bands Morrissey enjoyed who fit into the narrative of underappreciated rebels. Sorry you don't know anything about music.
>'Wolf down t bone steak cancer heart attack'
You're butchering the lyrics again, but admittedly I'm Not a Man isn't his best song lyrically, even if it's a well composed song that's performed very well. However, on the same album, you have Mountjoy, Smiler with Knife, Istanbul, World Peace Is None of Your Business, Staircase at the University and Oboe Concerto, all of which are great lyrically and or retain Morrissey's classic sense of humor. And we can easily point to below average Smiths songs lyrically, like Death at One's Elbow or Unhappy Birthday.
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>>115823276 (OP)
Holy shit, why the fuck is this thread still up?
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>>115894704
>YOU'RE NOT RIGHT IN THE HEAD
>BUT NOR AM I
>AND THIS IS WHY
>THIS IS WHY I LIKE YOU
>I LIKE YOU
>I LIKE YOU
>THIS IS WHY I LIKE YOU-I LIKE YOU-I LIKE YOU
>I LIKE YOU
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>>115894704
Because people are talking about Morrissey and The Smiths. Are you dense, son?
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>>115894704
The more you ignore him, the longer his threads get
--- 115896373
Morrissey is in the same position that Axl Rose once found himself in. Marr, Boz and Alain are gone, leaving Moz the only senior in whatever constellation he lords over at the moment. He has his boneheaded nephew and some deranged superfan in charge of his press inquiries and website, which alternates between looking like a Daily Wire RSS feed and a fanart subreddit. It's a shitshow.

The thing is that these megalomaniacs need foils, and in most cases a record company man breathing down their necks. Axl hired his Brazilian housekeeeper to be his manager, cancelled tours on a whim and dicked around and spent thirteen million bucks and as many years on his faux GN'R vanity album. He had clearly lost the plot, but there was no one around to tell him. In the end, he did the right thing and reunited.

Unlike Rose, Morrissey is still writing and recording (mostly) decent music, but has burned every last bridge in the biz. You can be a one-man operation if you're a humble guy like Phil "My Wife" Elverum, but not if you're acting like are Mozzer, who craves gold plated rekkids and conspicuous label logos on his product.

It might actually be owari this time.
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>>115835588
>>115837407
>>115837414
>>115837750
>>115838038
>>115838393
>>115839369
>>115845721
>>115845858
>>115848972
>>115849117
>>115850697
>>115853668
>>115853856
>>115861609
>>115862424
>>115862854
>>115863099
>>115871101
>>115873704
>>115877462
>>115877738
>>115877849
>>115880539
>>115882362
>>115891593
>>115892019
>>115896373
You're obviously deranged and clearly don't belong here.
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>>115880539
>long videos of literal beheading and disembowelment to a bunch of fans unforewarned (including under 14s)
God forbid people know where their food comes from
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>>115896373
Of course it's not over, he's still able to shift gig tickets. He could announce a concert in Mexico tomorrow and sell it out.

The source of all his weird behaviour is rejection. 
He has a love/hate relationship with Manchester. 

Being big in the States isn't enough, he wanted to be the Bard of Bowden with murals around his hometown, and his songs sung at football matches, to piss off all his childhood enemies. Alas, the Gallagher brothers/Stone Roses took that throne.

He's exactly where he wants to be - sitting on a fat pile of money, creating fake drama because it feeds into that outsider persona he created.

He also enjoys upsetting people (as if that wasn't already obvious) and then sitting back, scrolling through the twitter outrage that accompanies every cancelled gig or cheeky comment, and chuckling.

He has so much money (and so few obligations, only his sister and nephews to support) that he can afford to suit himself forever.

He's doing absolutely fine!
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>>115896817
Real men don't give a shite where their meat comes from or how it was treated. Farm animals are livestock, they're not sentient beings. 

That's why the West is dead, and the Chinese and Middle East are laughing at your mad old cat lady 'animal rights' nonsense as they slowly devour what remains of your Civilisation.
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>>115897036
>That's why the West is dead
That escalated quickly.
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>>115897036
>they're not sentient beings.
Please learn what sentient means, retard.
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>>115823276 (OP)
Dreadful opinion.
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>>115823276 (OP)
record for longest lasting thread
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>>115898525
Albeit the correct one.
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>>115823276 (OP)
The best British band of the 1980s without peer. 
The Smiths were the epitome of indie rock, a term that they practically invented. They were the antithesis of the mainstream, the rebels who dared to be different, the outsiders who spoke for the alienated and the misunderstood. They were the voice of a generation, a generation that grew up in the bleak and oppressive Thatcher era.
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>>115899269
is this chatgpt
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>>115899350
I think every publicly available 'AI' service just gives a generic
"MORRISSEY BAD
JOHNNY MARR GOOD"
response
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>>115896904
So he's probably getting some perverse pleasure out of holding back his new records as well, yeah?

The outsider pose worked all the way up until his comeback with Quarry, even through the "Morrissey is a racist" shit that the NME were slinging.

Now he's just another grandpa blabbering on about the woke mind virus. It's quite sad that he apparently doesn't realize how unoriginal he sounds, which should be cause for concern in Moz-world, but I guess we all lose touch somewhere along the line. Is his webmaster nephew a crypto-chud?
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>>115898885
Yeah, nothing on QID matches the funky opening of MIM
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>>115899406

Why not both :-(

(Marr was hotter though)
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>>115901637
No artist's legacy is complete without a lost album or two!

Why is everyone so butthurt about this? It's his life to wreck his own way, leave the poor old gobshite alone!
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>>115901824
I just want to see the boy happy...
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>>115901781
morrissey set him up for this right
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>>115823276 (OP)
The thread when Bowie died wasn't up for as long as this one.
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>>115823276 (OP)
lol bro this thread gonna be here for a week
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>>115883964
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>>115823276 (OP)
Where do I begin with Morrissey?
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>>115904990
for his Smiths stuff: Hatful of Hollow
for solo: Bona Drag
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>>115905020
>for his Smiths stuff: Hatful of Hollow
Wrong.
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>>115904990
His solo discography isn't huge in the grand scheme of things. You can easily get through it in a few days. Viva Hate is a great debut and the obvious place to start, and then listen to Bona Drag, which collects the singles and most of the B-sides from his first two years (one of the greatest albums of all time, IMO). From there, you can pretty much just stick the studio albums proper due to how poorly assembled the rest of the compilations are, sans Swords, but that's only necessary listening depending on how well you enjoy his Attack years (You are the Quarry, Ringleader of the Tormentors and Years of Refusal). You should listen to these non-album singles and B-sides though, which are all excellent.
>Sister, I'm a Poet
>My Love Life
>I've Changed My Plea to Guilty
>Jack the Ripper
>I'd Love To
>Interlude
>Boxers
>Have-a-Go Merchant
>Sunny
>A Swallow on My Neck
>Nobody Loves Us
>You Should Have Been Nice to Me
>Lost
>The Edges Are No Longer Parallel
>I Can Have Both
>Drag the River
>Forgive Someone
>Julie in the Weeds
>Art-hounds
>Back on the Chain Gang
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>>115904790
Morrissey is the most interesting person of both the 20th and 21st centuries.
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>>115906360
Don't forget The Never-Played Symphonies.
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>>115907848
I deliberately left off all Swords tracks, as it's assembled well, but yes, there are many great songs there.
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>>115904838
based
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>>115906360
When history is finally written, the Attack trilogy will be considered rock classics. Mark my words.
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>>115907673
The greatest magpie of the c20th/21st.

His genius comes from a singular ability to form a one-man cult. People think his songs are personal, or keenly observational, when in fact those songs of love, lonliness, poverty and introspection are completely disingenuous and inspired by the poems, stories and lives of others. 

He had a good childhood, supportive family/community, was a champion athlete at school and president of a worldwide fanclub, had several close allies and two soul mate besties who assisted his career, was in bands, published a book, wrote for music magazines, spent time living and working in America, was a local celebrity in Manchester, and had a very well paid government job after leaving school - all before forming the Smiths.

Hardly the 'back bedroom casualty'. Given he had a very content life with little to complain about, naturally he had to embellish a myth to match the band's aesthetic and depression is a go-to failsafe.

Housebound and shy he was not - he was hungry, ambitious and motivated. Much is made of Marr knocking on his door in 1982, but they first met several years before that when Marr was 14. Marr recognised someone who had the political skill to survive and thrive in a shark tank while getting a shitload of top 10 hits and a coveted spot as Britain's most unique indie band. So did the record label. They were willing to put up with his mean streak where others weren't.

Watch any old interviews, TV appearances esp around 86-87, and you'll see a loquacious, charismatic man with the ability to get people eating out of the palm of his hand. Where the interviewers are antagonistic (like Tony Wilson), he has a politician's ability to redirect and reframe. Shyness and introversion are nowhere to be seen.

He's an excellent study of how to create a self sustaining cult in a cutthroat industry. Nobody else has managed to pull it off, completely on their own terms without compromising, in quite the same way.
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>>115912292
Ringleaders is great but YOR is just... tired lyrically. He doesn't take enough chances or push himself, there should've been more stuff like Birthday rather than Paris, but his voice is at its best there
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>>115907673
David Sylvian >
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>>115912854
The singer of my favorite band for the past 13 years turns out to be a huge fraud. Not sure how to deal with this.
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>>115913269
lmao
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>>115913269
Not even David Sylvian believes this.
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>>115913684
He's being humble, obviously. His music is consistently good and interesting, unlike Mozza's. Sylvian never fell off either.
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No thread has been up this long in the ten years that I've been here. Not for anything.
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>>115912292
Based, I agree. Ringleader especially is magnificent.
--- 115915108
The mods may as well give this thread a sticky at this point.
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>>115913378
Who?
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>Life is nothing much to lose
>it's just so lonely here without you
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>>115913378
90% of musicians are self-made myths. Don't feel bad about it, it's how the industry makes money - they market a product to target your natural desire to identify with someone's 'struggle'.

Morrissey was at least quite honest about it in early interviews, he admitted that his life was fairly boring and that Shelagh Delany's writings on working class life was the influence for the early Smiths songs. 'I would go out tonight, but I haven't got a stitch to wear' is a line in one of her plays, and he directly quotes several others in Reel around the fountain, Still Ill and a few others (This Night has opened my eyes is a direct rip from a plotline in her works)

There *are* shy musicians, but they're usually the bass player or someone in the background. It takes real arrogance, social/political skills, business acumen, and charm to be a frontman.

Ed Sheeran claimed he was a homeless busker, when he actually grew up in a tight knit family with very middle class parents who supported him all the way... cynical, but that's how the biz works
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>>115913378
I've never understood why people think that an artist should always sing about themselves, and that if they don't it's ingenuine. Fiction is allowed in film, literature, poetry, and visual art. Why not music? Why does writing works of fiction make people believe the artist is a fraud if it's in the context of music?
--- 115917449
This thread. This thread right here, has been up longer than any other thread on /mu/. Not the death of David Bowie. Not Prince. Not the release of Merriweather Post Pavilion. No, no, this one.
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Posting in epic thread
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>>115917449
Feels good to be the first post in a historic thread like this one
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>>115917449
>>115917453
>>115917483
Real legends never die
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>>115823347
Is that why he put a picture of his ass on the inner sleeve of his Greatest Hits album?
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>>115823276 (OP)
Jokes on you, The Smiths compilation albums are where the best stuff is at. Hateful Hollow > Nearly everything else with the exception of Queen is Dead