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--- 54607225
Is this a good business idea? My local community of 100k people doesn't have any climbing gyms and the most accessible one is about a 20 min drive. Would this be a profitable business venture? Are there any good franchises?
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>>54607225 (OP)
yeah you should pay rent utilities and licensing and insurance and taxes so 14 people in your crappy town can pay you $75 a month to climb ur shitty plywood walls , with them eventually just stopping coming and putting a block on your retarded auto payment system. the 2 birthday parties a year you host will also make it totally worth it 

retard
--- 54607290
Niche business so don’t trust ideas here, I’d call climbing gyms across the country in similar market sizes to speak to owner and just ask questions srs

How much capital start with, insights, marketing, customer base, etc. be fully transparent, people are more likely than you think willing to help and love talking about themselves. Just make sure it’s far away so they aren’t worried about stealing customers
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>>54607290
This seems like solid advice. Thanks anon.
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>>54607225 (OP)
Where are you? Can I open it with you? It’s my dream business but where I live it’s over saturated. 1 million people here and like 6 or so gyms I think? They do well though.
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>>54607578

In Ottawa Canada. City also has like 1 million people but I think only two gyms.
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>>54607225 (OP)
I would start learning more about how the businesses around you are doing. You said 20 min drive. So go check it out. Work there for a while, even if it's around your current schedule. If they are not hiring, intern there for a few weekends. Remember too that a true businessman invests other people's money, not his own money. I would call it a commercial real estate buy, get people to come in with you through an LLC you set up, and then the rock climbing whatever is just gravy until you flip it and pay back the investors. The business you have started can move, like an ass-worm, to a new location. Also, you better live there in secret and not pay rent, unless you already are staying at your mom's house. Do forget too that parents want a place to drop their kids off, so set up an afterschool program or something. Buses can take kids directly to after-school programs in many school districts. Babysitters make bank these days, trust me, I have to pay them. So that could be a part of your business. It doesn't seem that stupid to be honest, blacks would never loot a rock wall business. I've heard gypies would, but they are rarely seen in the USA. If you do have gypsies, put frog decorations everywhere. Good luck.
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climbing gyms are unironically a money printer if you ignore dirtbags who cry about stale routes and go after families who want to exercise their kids or do after school day care programs
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>>54607818
The only successful gyms cater to kids, especially rich parents that need daycare and adventures for their kids. The most successful one i’ve seen is the worst one in terms of climbing quality (mediocre 20 foot lead/top rope wall with 6 routes and mediocre bouldering with 6 routes too) yet this gym makes more money per square foot than any other gym in the entire country. They are practically a daycare in the afternoons and they do weekly outdoors climbing activities for kids like rappelling, caving and rock climbing. Your gym is going to fail if it caters to Hardcore climbers as this people have no money, are cheap and usually suffer from autism /socially awkward.
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>>54607225 (OP)
Climbing gyms are usually exclusively for soys and dyels so you should have a pretty big audience of weak men.
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>>54607290

are you a miscer?
That's the only place I've seen people unironically post "srs"

if you're a miscer. repped phaggot
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>>54607225 (OP)
Do market research on the gym 20 minutes away. Chances are if it is doing well in that town then it should do well in your town if both your town and the neighbouring town have similar demographics
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>>54608736
Rock climbing is an expensive hobby, the gym will do well if the demographic engages in other expensive sporting activities. The more basketball courts in the area means the worse it’ll perform
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The bulk of people who are regulars at bouldering gyms are nerds with disposable income who are too afraid/ self conscious lifting weights at a gym. Only middle or high income workers do this stuff.

Basically its full of dyels and women.
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>>54609514
A big demo of Bouldering is also zoomers, problem is they’re usually broke. Bouldering generates money only from membership compared to a lead/top rope where there is money to be made with providing training, courses, classes and selling gear. Big gyms are usually pet project from a rich or ambitious person who thinks they need big and quality to get money. A huge gym doesn’t translate to revenue, a small gym will generate more per square foot if you optimize for culture and providing services
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>>54607290
Great advice, probably too good to be on biz
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>>54608153
this. if you want a successful climbing gym you're not interested in real climbers.

it's expensive in general. requires lots of space and lots of construction.
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Just start a bar instead, then you can rape your customers and they won't remember the next morning
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>>54607225 (OP)
Please don't make climbing a mainstream thing. Its the only place that I don't have Instagram thots shitting up the place. I used to love gym but since women took over the space I don't really enjoy it anymore.
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>>54607290
total boomer advice
in reality all those climbing gyms will not tell you shit or more likely tell you false information because they are scared you will compete with them in an already cut throat business

>t. climbing hall subscriber in EUROPE

it's ALWAYS full here, especially during Covid when you had to reserve. Imagine the smelll yuck
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>>54611180
they won't be able to do it because they have no upper body strength

>inb4 climbing is mostly legs

yes faggot, legs and forearms and nasty callused hands, no girl wants that
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>>54611180
>Please don't make climbing a mainstream thing
Too late. Ticks all the female boxes

Illusions of risk in safe controlled space. Power. Exercise. The outdoors, without actually being outdoors.

The last time I tried going outdoors with someone who goes climbing they threw up on two consecutive days supposed due to being "full". As opposed to just disliking grass that much.
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>>54611180
Climbing is already mainstream and it’s only going to get worse with instagram and Olympic climbing. Woman and thots only go to clean gyms with comp style painted walls, they don’t go to dingy places with unpainted/dirty walls, bad lighting and rusty QuickDraws (I’ve heard this complaint allot). They mostly go for the aesthetic of photos for instagram.

>>54611210
It’s a girlboss sport, they usually get introduced by their ex who needed a belayer and now they’re out to prove something. Woman make the worst belayers, all the ground falls and accidents I’ve witnessed or heard were the fault of a woman belaying. They’re good at footwork but footwork will only get you so far, all the hard stuff requires absurd finger, hand and arm strength
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>>54611280
Same happened with the last woman that got invited to a climbing trip, the decision was made to never invite one again outdoors 
> it’s too dirty
> too scary, the bolts are too far away, I can’t make the move “starts crying uncontrollably”
> too many mosquitoes 
> too many bugs
> too hot
> I can’t eat that I’m vegan, we must stay near restaurants and supermarkets
> lodging doesn’t have aircon and the bed is too hard
> the hike is too long/hard
> constant bitching and complaining 
I’ve bailed because of the bolting but never made a scene about it, never complained about the rest
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>>54611280
>Illusions of risk
You can lose a finger.
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>>54612995
I have literally never heard of anyone losing a finger. I did have a friend that almost died when a piece of gear gave out while trad climbing a new route in Colorado- you know actual rock climbing not that indoor gym shit.
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>>54607225 (OP)
all businesses are impossible to run and the ones running right now only exist because their ceo made a deal with satan to sell their soul in exchange for worldly fortune.
this is a commonly accepted practice among arabs and jews. they do not value themselves as highly as whites, and niggers are incapable of higher thought.
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>>54613079
>you know actual rock climbing not that indoor gym shit
You're very based and redpilled.
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>>54608701
hell yea boyo repped on recharge
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>>54613079
>>54612995
someone post that webm of a guy losing his foot
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>>54611204
shut up retard
if you want to start a climbing business in Birmingham, AL and call a guy in Omaha, NE they wont give two shits. There is no competitive overlap. Completely different markets, but similar enough to have comps, and this isnt a business with large franchise chains so there is no overlap. Yea if you are trying to open a gym in that same city then other owners will probably tell you to go pound sand

Climbing subculture is also very hippy and supportive. You are much more likely to get legit advice and support here than if you called a law firm to talk to a partner with his head up his ass

Also OP you mentioned that the closest climbing gym is 20 miles away or whatever. Go apply for a job there to work weekends. If you work some front desk job at a climbing gym, or any gym, or any business, then you quickly can peak behind the curtain and see how many members they have, how many are active, how much they pay in gym dues, how long have they been members, etc. Dig a bit deeper and you might be able to find some other cost information, Again all comps to help you out.
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>>54613163
POST THE DAMN FOOT GORe WHOEVER HAS IT
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>>54607225 (OP)
>spend a milly on specialised equipment 
>suddenly goes out of fashion
Oooosh!

Think like the paper money guys. Absolute minimum inherent and upfront value. Maximum return.
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>>54608153
Makes sense lol. I always thought it was such a soi sport with very few exceptions