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How would i go about making this? any reccomended videos? trying to make a book case
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>>2593785 (OP)
you will never make that.

that's high level work.
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>>2593801
maybe not something as good as that, i know covering a whole case like that with stippling is a pain in the ass but i do still want to follow a sort of pattern and make something similar
i also have done a few things related to stamping leather, i've made a belt with a small amount of stampwork, a leather book cover with a few decorative lines, and a leather handle similar to a sword grip that used some stippling using a pen tip and indented a spiral pattern for grip using a waxxed thread, and it came out nice (pic rel)
do you think these will work? know of any better kit for getting started with tooling?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074FWPXRP/?coliid=I1I15ZCWZ6SBYR&colid=FRQBU9IQFNFD&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U54UXH6/?coliid=IQ1MTQWR1UW71&colid=FRQBU9IQFNFD&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im
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>>2593818
i'll also add that so far none of what i've done with leather used proper tools, so far its all been rulers, pencils, pens, knives, etc, how much easier is using proper tools than this sort of stuff?
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>>2593801
oh yea, i can also see that the quality on it isnt completely amazing, even though it looks great as a whole
if you look closely, the lines on the borders are uneven, and the weird wave pattern around the shield doesnt have a particular theme and looks really basic and uneven
i think its possible i could create something similar with enough time
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>>2593785 (OP)
>How would i go about making this?
Practice. Years of practice.
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>>2593993
it feels like an enjoyable hobby, if i werent plagued with adhd i could probably work on this sort of things for hours a day and actually do something meaningful with my life
instead of that i have like 50 hobbies and 10 simultaneous projects at any given time, + 20 things i keep track of or entertain myself with on my pc
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Leatherworking is neat if you're into firearms and stuff, but if you're not I'm not sure where the appeal is.
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>>2594057
i do collect guns, but i dont like most leather stuff for guns, i prefer military gear and cold war stuff. ww1 gear is also nice which has a lot of leather goods, but isnt tooled like what i'm going for.
however, i think leatherworking is a highly valuable skill for anything medieval, making a scabbard is on my to do list once i get a sword i'm waiting to be made that doesnt come with one.
in my situation, i'm wanting to make a book case for a gospel book i'm going to bind
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>>2594058
Well cowboy stuff sounds like it would be right up your alley. My uncle is fucked physically from a life of hard labor jobs and in his medical-retirement he's started leatherworking. After years of fucking around with it himself he recently got his first actual big item sale, a cowboy holster belt. Sounds like something you should consider.
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>>2594049

Not that anon, but, there is medication. I have ADHD, and have been medicated with VV. I can: eat less, focus for a good 4-6 hours a day, and learn. I've been on them for 8 years.

I still get silly someone's, but it's nice to be able to turn it on and off when I want to.
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>>2593785 (OP)
That's pretty tricky work. It looks like a reproduction of something from the middle ages.

That piece was probably tooled and stitched, and then wet formed over a mold. The tooling is pretty basic in terms of the tools required. Looks like just an oil finish.

You'd need stitching punches, some light weight vegtan leather, a lot of patience, and years of practice. The box stitching alone is probably the most impressive part.

Source: 3 years experience
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>>2594228
That coaster looks great anon
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>>2594228
yea these boxes tended to be boiled after it was tooled in order to shape them, and boiling it causes it to be as hard as wood (which is what real leather armor was made out of)
how would the oil finish work, i've heard from some sources that with boiled leather they also added oil to it.

on the stitching part, can i get very far with an awl i have? i also have decently thick needles and waxed thread. do i need the pronged punch for that?
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>>2594304
i meant to say, they boiled the leather in oil rather than water, or added oil to the water
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>>2594304
>real leather armor
Isn't there some legitimate argument that leather armor wasn't actually even a thing?
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>>2593785 (OP)
This appears to be traditional “pressed” leather. 
By “pressed”, I mean stamps were impressed into the softened leather to produce the design. 
The round dot stippling would likely have been made with a punch with multiple rows of dots to produce the background pattern more quickly. 
I believe these are still available from jewelry suppliers and leatherwork tool suppliers. 
Also maybe woodcarving tool suppliers, since similar techniques are sometimes used got carved wood. 

Some other sections were done with other punches, such as a straight line punch or roller for line of the linework. 

Some of the leaf work might have been done with custom punches, likely carved from a smooth grained hardwood like maple or boxwood.
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>>2594444
leather armor didnt exist in the sense we think of it as in fantasy or movies, but theres evidence that it existed to a small capacity, and for horses there are a few surviving examples
first of all, vambraces are what come to mind immediately simply because archers have an existing need for them due to bowstrings sometimes catching on the arm, and if the bowstring were to catch on chainmail it could cause some issues
leather armor was likely only used during the transitional period of armor, where the majority of soldiers relied on chainmail as a means of protection, but began to add plates on top of it, and they probably experimented with boiled leather too
so i think a boiled leather breastplate would look something like pic rel, exactly like a steel breastplate from the time, and certainly not segmented or made into lamellar when the best thing leather can do is disperse force
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>>2594450
the leaves look too irregular to be stamped, i think its all done by smaller stamps
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>>2593818
everything after the ? is just ttracking info
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>>2594234
Thanks :)

>>2594304
I'd definitely suggest getting a cheap set of diamond prong punches and trying some box stitching tutorials. You'll have a hell of a time trying to get even stitching with just a sewing awl.

>>2594304
It's boiled, then oiled. If you overheat leather (such as by boiling in oil) it will shrink rather violently.
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Tip Buy polymer clay to practice punching patterns on, wash tools with toothbrush and soap and dry before going back to leather
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>>2594444
>>2594461
It's not leather but Aztecs and also later on conquisatores used quilted cotton amor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_warfare#Armor
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>>2594461
Cuir bouilli ( ie “boiled leather) leather was commonly used for tournament armor, and likely used for practical use as well. 
The tournament armor was actually used for joisting, so the armor had to have been protective, for both knights, and for horses. 
Some techniques that have been tried yo reproduce the cuir bouilli material have produced results that were somewhat like a stiff plastic, which would make sense foe edged weapon fighting, as well as receiving heavy blows.
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>>2593785 (OP)
Four keys book arts, yt channel.

I've often thought of picking up a leatherwork set to have a different type of hobby, struggling to figure out what I'd want to try doing.
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>>2597261
yea i'm following a guide
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>>2597250
Here’s a video with a theory about how cuir bouilli was made. 
Basically, the leather had hide glue impregnated into the leather fibers. 

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_nG6OpCKg [Embed]
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>>2597271
very interesting, thank you
its good to know about this, since i was going to assume it would just be literally boiled leather, and other people have made cuir bouilli by just boiling it too so i was quick to assume that everyone just boiled it
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found a new guide, this one looks pretty nice, before i was thinking the top layer would be boiled leather but it seems that its not
also, i realized that i dont need as many tools as i thought i would because of how small the tooling is in this example, most of it is done with what looks like an awl
i also forgot that i have gold leaf that i can use to decorate what i make, i'll try a small box like he makes before making a book carrier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFr0ehc5xdQ [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9I1-53CKYE [Embed]
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>>2597282
Hide glue granules sort of feel like plastic in their dry state, and they should soak perfectly into leather. 
Hide glue and animal sizing, which are basically the same thing, are also used historically as the primer for canvases used for oil painting, usually with one or more initial coats of glue, followed by the glue mixed with calcium carbonate (chalk) which can be scraped or sanded smooth. 
While heated and malleable, leather soaked with the sizing would likely be malleable enough to impress with tooling, likely to a much higher degree of detail than regular leather. 
While malleable, it would also likely be carved. 
I presume it could also be easily painted and varnished.
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>>2597354
from what i understand, hide glue is the same as gelatin.
having this in mind, is most hide glue marketed as hide glue (as opposed to gelatin) overpriced just because they label it as glue instead of gelatin? in these videos >>2597296 the guy just uses regular gelatin sheets, is there any reason to believe that it should make a difference?
also i have a question about canvas primers, i do a little bit of iconography and the most expensive part of it are the icon boards, could i use hydrated lime (not ground lime) and regular gelatin? i could save a lot of money if i made boards like that
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>>2597360
There are likely different grades of gelatin, either made from different animals, or refined and processed differently for different qualities. 
Whether those differences matter significantly, I don’t know, but there are likely strength and flexibility differences. 

As far as hydrated lime goes, it is not the same thing as regular calcium carbonate powder. 
Hydrated lime is basically partially processed quicklime. 
Quicklime is highly reactive, do for safety reasons, the ground quicklime is processed with steam to prevent the violent chemical reaction that occurs when quicklime is exposed to water. 
I’m not sure whether this is ever used as an additive for hide glue sizing when priming board or canvas. 
For priming board and canvas, calcium carbonate powder is usually recommended, either from chalk, or ground marble, etc., neither of which have undergone the kiln heating process to turn the stone into quicklime.
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>>2597363
alright, i only mentioned hydrated lime since i'm using it for a different project (processing hides to make parchment) and just have a bag of it laying around
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>>2597363
I was mistaken. 
Tradition hide glue gesso and calcium carbonate ( whiting) gesso is only used for stick panels like board. 
Linseed oil and a white pigment are traditionally used for canvas. 

This is a good article on hide glue and the use for priming painting surfaces. 

https://www.jacksonsart.com/blog/2013/04/10/rabbit-skin-glue-2/
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>>2597364
If you gave some, try mixing a small batch with it and paint a piece of scrap wood. 
Are you using traditional tempera paints (egg based) ? 
One of the reasons traditional hide glue is still used is because certain water based paints don’t bond well to acrylic gesso. 
As these same types of paints were used for painting frescos on plaster, which would have been painted on lime plaster, using hydrated lime might work acceptably or even well. 
It might pull water out of the hide glue or paint though.
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>>2597374
i use egg based paint and powdered pigments, i'll try using the hydrated to see if it works at all
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>>2593785 (OP)
>reccomended
You'll never make it
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>>2594461
>whitebois spent hundreds of years wearing leather tanktops into battle
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how do I start leatherworking?

my end goal is to make nothing bigger than a backpack or holster, and smaller stuff like wallet and handbags. I already ordered a toolkit off amazon, I know it's chinkshit but I'm gonna replace the stuff as it breaks, what should I start making? 

I'm fortunate to have a leather supply in my town (Tandy) but I read to start with thrift store leather bags and stuff for material before spending on nice stuff.
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>>2600173
I'm not very good at it yet, but i started doing smaller stuff like phone cases, wallets and smaller bags. In the beginning you wanna crank out stuff to get more proficiency with your tools. The different steps pretty easy to learn, it's essentially "just" cutting, stitching, sanding. The hard part IMO is to design the patterns yourself (which I don't do yet). Use veg tan for starting out, stitch it with white thread and it can literally not look bad if you work somewhat clean.
Tool wise, you wanna get decent chisels first as well as a good edge beveler. I use regular sanding paper and 1mm waxed thread and bees wax. Leather wise you literally can't go wrong with 1mm and 2mm veg tan for starting out.
Glad you have a leather shop nearby, where I'm from this is a rare hobby and all i have is like 2-3 online shops to buy leather and tools from. Touching the leather in person makes it easier to decide what project it's good for.