diy/2581714.txt

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--- 2581714
Inspired by the other thread on what not to do, conversely what should an ideal full-time living van look like?
Assume shower and bathroom are done at planet fitness or something 
Picrel becuz ragefuel lmao
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Well it looks pretty fucking pathetic honestly. I'm sure you look in the mirror an tell yourself "I'm breaking free from society by not being a wagie" but you should tell yourself "I'm living in a car like a dirty hobo and it is basically pussy repellent" I'm sure it will be fun to camp in your mom an dad's driveway, but overall this is a coping mechanism for meets that live with their "roommates"/ parents.
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>>2581714 (OP)
I live in a 2 story, 3 bedroom, 3 bathroom, 3 car garage van with a work shed.
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>>2581714 (OP)
You are just going to get advice from anons who know nothing about the subject.
Every time someone who actually does this posts anything, they are shouted down and mocked.
All you will get here is a giant anti vanlife circle jerk
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>>2581740
Utterly annihilated
Christ tinyfags are you okay bros
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>>2581749
nice larp. pajeets don't own homes.
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>>2581714 (OP)
Vanlife is retarded. It's like keto, it's just a dumb trend that people are doing to be unique. If you want a small house, get a cabin or an rv or something. You literally want to live in a van down by the river
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>>2581740
>make $90k/yr
>work has gym, showers, cafeteria, computers
>was paying $1900/mo for rent and utilities
>live in van for one year
>saved nearly $23,000
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>>2581714 (OP)
I mean that van looks really nice for road trips
Living and working in such a thing is another matter
Vanlife is just another example of the modernist (ironic isn't it?) tendency to take something good and become obsessively radicalized about it with no reason applied, just nice little idyllic feefees and half baked justification
>>2581809
Exhibit A
Note how this anon "saved" $23,000 by conveniently leaving out how much it cost to purchase and outfit their van for living in, or cost for storage of tools they did that with, or gas
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>>2581714 (OP)
vanlife is a cope. and it's stupid. 

do you know how many hotel rooms you can buy for the price people spend on these vans?
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>>2581821
>how much it cost to purchase 
Minivans cost the same as any other vehicle. Larger cargo type vans like Chevy Astros or Ford Econolines also cost the same as any other vehicle

>and outfit their van for living in
well I cut my foam mattress so it fit nicely, so that was free. And I sold my rear seats for $100, so thats a profit.

>or cost for storage of tools 
I already had a ratchet set. are you on /diy/ and you dont have a ratchet set? wtf

>or gas
since I can park as close to work as I want, gas is less.

true I did leave out the cost of storage for personal belongings though, so you can add $1200 for the year. So I guess I only save maybe $22,000/yr
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>>2581821
The 23k is the net saving. The cost is irrelevant the end result is 23 thousand saved compared to rent. And upkeep on a car is much cheaper than utilities in an apartment
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>>2581714 (OP)
Ideally, I'd be eating >picrel's pussy daily before fucking her.
Then I'd sell the van, buy a house, and continue fucking her daily until I get her pregnant.
I'd raise our kids with her while continuing to blow loads in her on the regular.
Damn she's hot, what was this thread about again?
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>>2581821
>I mean
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>>2581875
>her
anon... you're hornyposting in a van life thread. for a man. can you not see that? can you not see how sad this is?
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>>2581714 (OP)
Id get a 3/4 ton extended cab truck with a cap. You can put some blankets down and sleep in a sleeping bag in the bed each night, get a nice tent and a bunch of camping gear and just nomad for a few years. Since it's a truck you could hide your gear in the woods for a few hrs and make money helping people move on the side when you need cash.
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>>2581875
get real.
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>>2581714 (OP)
>

Imagine the smell of unwashed pussy the seats have haha
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>>2581714 (OP)
one day I dream of having a romantic relationship with a woman where I don't have to agonizingly sit down and have the "I expect you not to be fat" conversation
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>>2581714 (OP)
>vanlife
i hope you studied the piss jug thread well
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>>2581714 (OP)
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>>2581714 (OP)
>No tits and an undefined flabby ass with cellulite.

You can do better by spending the same amount on a townhouse and with that rotate through thots on tinder that at least try a little to be in shape. Use vacations to use these travel bitches as you see fit at whatever destination you land in.
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>>2581714 (OP)
>eat some bad mexican food
>need to speed to planet fitness while desperately trying not to shit yourself
Sounds fun
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>>2583057
God concept artists are so fucking stupid
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>>2581740
My buddie does Van life, he hooks up pretty often with chicks. Drive them out to some scenic spots make food for them, bang them. My wife wants us to make one for camping.
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>>2583057
--- 2583137
Van life = glorified homelessness
/thread
Many such cases in the last 3-4 years are coming back from being "digital nomads" and reporting it fucking sucks
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I see these turn-key camper/sprinter vans for sale on CL all the time
the kind that trust fund van-life kids post on their social media
not the kind actual poor people have
they START at $50,000
actual homeless poor people would be in 80s/90s vans or SUVs with >200k miles
some do pickups with camper shells or a trailer
really poorfags have minivans or wagons

other than the important shitting and showering issues, it seems fine as long as you carry a gun all the time
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never forget
the wall exists and it is real
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>>2583057
>tow giant flash drive through the US
>slam on brakes on a downgrade
>flash drive lurches forward and smashes the rear gate on your 1991 Jeep Cherokee that can somehow tow 20,000 pounds
>rotates into incoming lane and decapitates 20 bicyclists climbing grade at 5 mph
>receive a medal
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>>2583137
The problem is that it's being pushed by (((social media))), one should ask why the you-know-whos are paying influencers to pimp out their $80k custom Sprinters and convince idiot millennials and zillennials that they can drive around without steady employment and survive
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>>2581740
It really depends how you do it.
In your early 20's it really doesn't fucking matter if you rent, live with mom or in a van. In fact a van is more than what a single man needs. I was pretty content spending $10k year when I was single.
Women won't care either as long as you are not vanlifeing to be a lazy neet. And as long as you tell them the plan is to ditch the van besides maybe an occasional trip to a national park.
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>>2581714 (OP)

don’t really hate vanlife per se but I do hate almost all of the vanlife influencers (especially the women)

“Sustainability!”
>buying a shit ton of disposable stuff because you have no ability to keep it
>disposing non-disposable things (ie tools) after fixing something because you don’t have anywhere to keep it
>spending $90k to outfit a sprinter van, where most components have to be frequently replaced due to high wear & tear
>Outfitting a sprinter van knowing everything will be trashed in 10 years or less when the sprinter van is totaled or renovated
>Living in a house that burns gasoline

“wanderlust freedom”
>shuttling between walmart parking lots
>constantly in fear of your primary residence being accessible to anyone on the street at any given time
>literally taking all of the stress of owning a home on every vacation you go on
>have to pay for basic amenities like running water and showers
>Constantly shackled to your high paying marketing consultant job

“independent living”
>relies on far more public infrastructure than a typical house
>literally could not survive without gas stations, walmarts, and a flush bank account
>cannot even carry the equipment needed to fix your home, need mechanics and others to service your vehicle and fix any problems for you
>cannot grow any food and can barely cook for yourself

at least these delusional trust fund kids probably come back from their year of van life humbled and aware of who they are in society (a completely non-self-reliant rich kid who can sell a vision of themselves to the world and make a lot of money off it.)
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>>2583485
utmost respect to true off the grid incels who have decided to turn their moms 2006 dodge caravan into a mobile neetmobile and do not lie to themselves about the life they live. guys with a cum box right next to their shit bucket
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>>2583485
>at least these delusional trust fund kids probably come back from their year of van life humbled and aware of who they are in society
spoiler alert: they don't.
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>>2581714 (OP)
Imagine the smell
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>>2581714 (OP)
I want a van with a backyard I can dump all my stolen bikes into.
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>>2581860

Holy shit this post triggered my Deloitte PTSD.

Never be an accountant anon
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>>2583440

Are you a barber? My barber and I just had the same exact conversation.
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>>2583164
for fucks sake, get laid.

Insta-fluencer shit is stupid though. If you wanna live in a van with macrame potted plants and shit, just do it. Share it with your actual friends or some shit if you have them. Don't try and be famous. It makes the whole thing stupid.
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>>2583902
No but it's not some special revelation, it should be common sense
Everything you see on social media is fake
The apps determine who gets views, who gets promoted, how many views they get and how they get paid, neither you nor the "influencers" have any metric to determine their popularity outside what the app tells you
Literally none of this is organic and when you see a (((social media trend))) whether it's van life or eating Tide pods it's entirely cultivated and promoted by the apps
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>>2583164
Your meds? Take them.
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>>2583930
roastie detected
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Didn't this vanlife influencer just dox a bunch of people?
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>>2584343
>promoting the fact that your bloodline ends with you and you will have no one to take care of you when you become old 
yikes
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>>2583943
Spoken like a permanvirgin.
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>>2581714 (OP)
Vanlife seems pretty cool for taking pictures but IMO it's better to spend money on buying and maintaining a house and land, which is an appreciating asset, instead of a vehicle, which is a depreciating asset, and then gasoline and/or parking, which is basically just lighting income on fire.
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>>2581714 (OP)
I just live in my car.
I really don't go anywhere or do anything, other than work, school, and the occasional store.
--- 2584604
I think some people in this thread don't realize that van lifting USED to be an economical alternative before bougie upperclass white women started gentrifying the van market. Back in 2018 before this shit was popular you could buy a 80s-90s decked out cab over camper van that's ready to go for 9-10k or even a shell for 3-5k and finish yourself. After gentrification though these things go for 25-30k & 10k respectively
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>>2584343
>Didn't this vanlife influencer just dox a bunch of people?
Influencers who post publicly on Instagram can't dox each other, retard.
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>>2581809
>lives in a fucking van
>still blew $67k in a year
why are burgers all incapable of managing their money?
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>>2581714 (OP)
Why would anyone want to live in a van? The only appeal I could possibly think of is someone wanting to cycle between tourist destinations, but no van life person I've ever seen has done that.
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>>2581821
You can build a decent rig for under $8K mate.
You have to have a car anyway, might as well live in it too if you can. BLM land is free to stay in and 5G/4G allows remote work from anywhere.
If you are young and single it should be one of your major considerations.
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>>2583085
>what is a luggable loo with pine pellets
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>>2583169
Its not hard mate, shit in a bag, throw it away.
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>>2584343
>woman who gets paid to promote instagram trends also promotes not having kids
shocking
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>>2583165
Please, no shit-shaming
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>>2584707
When the lowest available rent for a shithole in your area is equal to minimum wage, you'll do desperate things. 
 
Travelling in a caravan or converted van is nice for a few weeks even, because you buy a lot of time with the money you save on hotels and you have more freedom to stay wherever. But that was mostly the case 20 years ago. Now many countries strictly regulate where caravans and converted minivans can park etc. Hotel lobbies will actively hunt them down in my country and have them fined. Also campers usually do pollute with garbage etc.

And while being homeless with a van is much, much better than being homeless without one, if you live in one full time you're still homeless. You can argue it's a ""choice"" but it really isn't. 

>where do you shit
>where do you shower
>where do you fuck
>how do you cook
>where do you keep your stuff
>how do you spend a day "at home"

Literally it's just a hard-shelled tent with a shit bucket. It's not a home that that's no life.
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No one mentioned utilities yet? You can't feasibly power much with solar panels the size of a van roof, and even without a shower you'll find that having running water is extremely useful.
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>>2584364
Someone has never been to a nursing home before. Where the old and now inconvenient get dropped off by their kids to slowly die. Visits becoming fewer and farther between. Ending the family line is a fair point, but children aren't a guarantee of being taken care of.
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>>2585714
>Literally it's just a hard-shelled tent with a shit bucket.
It's actually worse than that because your tent won't break down and get stuck in the Walmart parking lot.
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>>2581714 (OP)
I think vanlife gets a lot of hate for being the hipster reddit thing to do and a lot of it is also rentfag daydreaming cope. As a truckerfag I basically live a similar lifestyle and don't think it's as bad as a lot of people say. And a lot of these van conversions have way nicer amenities than what I have in the rig. I have a buddy that was never right after the military And every time he tries to do a regular 9-5 and live like a normalfag he ends up going fucking unhinged and threatening to kill people. He lives in a van now mostly hobo'ing it up at public parks and working cash gigs he finds on Facebook here and there. It's like being homeless but slightly better. I'm just happy he's not an addict sleeping under an overpass or that I didn't have to go to another m8s funeral
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>>2584690
Asking the real questions, right here.
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>>2587405
Truckers are living that way to make money. If a van is making over the road trucking money, great. If not, then it's either an indulgence, or in your second example, an extreme outlier. And while that's great that your friend has found a way to live without being a burden or threat, it's not exactly an argument in favor of it being a good way to live.
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If you have demons they will find you.
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>>2587405
>It's like being homeless but slightly better.
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>>2584690
Well at least some of that would be taxes. If you're going to live in a van surely you save on food too because you can be close to all the good fishing and hunting spots.
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>>2583057
all that for what's essentially an awning?
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>>2587405
>truckerfag
where do you shit/shower? do truck stops have showers you can use? I'm really curious.
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>>2581740
>everything I do must make me look better to sociopathic thots
Midwit.
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>>2590450
Who imagines hunting really saves on food unless you live and remain innawoods?
--- 2592672
It's been so long since I saw one of these I thought you faggots had given up and realized nobody's falling for it. What got you all riled up again? Is the looming great depression making you desperate for suckers who will willfully become homeless?
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>>2590573
Yep, truck stops have showers you can use. The big chains have loyalty programs and you get them for free from buying fuel, if you don't have loyalty points it's around $15 for a shower. And as far as bathroom. Piss in a jug, shit at the truck stop. If it's an emergency shit and there's no bathroom around, you can crawl under the trailer and squat and leave it for someone else.
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>>2581714 (OP)
>Assume shower and bathroom are done at planet fitness
here's where you're wrong
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>>2583835
it's called a ghetto toy hauler. they're not expensive.
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>>2583169
nta but I use a cassette toilet, shits go in a bag and dropped in a dumpster. it's not a big deal to shit right in the cassette in an emergency but it's less fun to clean up, so it's reserved for pee.

a lot of van people who did cassette toilet switched to composting because dry shit is easier to deal with.

if I'm parked for a bit a popup shower tent with anon's >>2585094 bucket for shitting comes out.
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>>2592667
It's a van, you can just drive there for a while. I don't see how it doesn't save on food.
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>>2583165
You dont like da poo?
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>>2583122
Your wife wants to get railed by drifters while you're wagecucking
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>>2585094
>bro just shit in a bucket!
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>>2592711
You're spending fuel, vehicle wear and time. Just hunt without making silly excuses. It's alright. Most areas don't have enough wildlife to make that a remotely viable option.
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>>2587167
That's why a box trailer that's anonymous makes more sense than having your engine inside your home. More storage area too. IRL if you want to roam you'll make far better money as a trucker and have nice comfy sleepers plus the vast network of truckstops where your company fuel purchase covers showers etc.
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>>2586801
Take care of your kids and they'll take care of you, boomers that kicked their kids out at 18 deserve to get shitcanned to the old folks home as soon as possible
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>>2592735
>Take care of your kids and they'll take care of you

Said the late Menendez family...
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>>2592736
>90s literal who's
Day of the pillow draws near, boom boom
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>>2592733
I dunno what you're talking about, there are tons of animals everywhere.
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>>2586801
>oh no it's not an absolute guarantee my children will care for me. Best make the safer bet of making sure no one will care for me by not having children
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>buy van last year
>89 e250 with an extended top
>just now finishing the gutting after not touching it for 12 months
I could probably sell it now for twice what I'm into it. It was a full camper build already(stock) but the water heater was rusted through, the gas pipes were dubious, and there way too many leaking areas I had to remove some windows from the extended top to rebuild.
There was also a sliding bed part for the extended top but that shit was so rotten underneath that moth and beetle grubs were chowing down on the soft wet wood.

I signed up for more than I can chew but it gave me an excuse to put most of the outdoorsy shit i've collected over the years into something, and buy a new welder to finish patching vents and stuff.
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>>2584604
i paid 1300 for mine which was an 89, even completely fucked internally i still got a 3 way fridge, 2.8k geny,that may or may not work, and a toilet and a shower I accidently stepped in and busted to hell. bought it in 2022 when the market was still fucking crazy.
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>>2581714 (OP)
I just moved into slide on camper on an f350 a month ago. It's def something to get used to, but I love it. Currently out on BLM land north of Phoenix. I searched for a truck and camper paired already, 15k in ok condition. But I'm fixing it all up. Has 3 way fridge, Genny, wet shower and toilet, solar. And if I want to pull it off the truck, I can just drive the truck.
--- 2594660
Housing prices make me want to commit suicide. I will only ever exist to be milked by the government for tax money, make money for my CEO, and give money to my landlord's CEO.
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>>2594660
So go do what successful people do. Why precisely are you not?
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>>2592734
How does this solve the issue of breakdowns at inopportune times? Your van breaks down you're stuck. Your car breaks down you're still stuck but you also have a trailer.
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>>2581714 (OP)

most vanlifers dont live in things like that.

most are usually some beat up old mazda bongo with 450,000km's on the clock. swollen chipboard and mouldy mattresses.

in nz, they are scourge on society. most 20 something year old germans with attitudes. i see them walking around hardware stores with their dreads and smelly pasta sauce stained hoodies, buying screwdrivers and hardware to fix their half assed "camper van" thats changed hands 20 times in the last 5 years. the women are just as bad.
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>>2581714 (OP)
that picture is of a person with too much money who uses their van to go "camping" which means they spend a night, maybe two, in their over the top "van" that they dropped 10k on the interior alone.
They don't actually live in those, they're not really functional.
>t. guy who lived in an SUV for 5 years.
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>>2596241
To be clear I'm not against van living, but I fucking hate the influencers, they're full of shit and stay at hotels, they don't actually live in their vehicles, the vlogs are lies.

The main reason is to save money, my car was paid off so really my only bills were gas, insurance and food, I wanted to be a musician and really the only way I could do that was live with someone like my parents (they wouldn't let me be a musician and live in their home) or figure out a way to live for fuck all. I had a car and my answer.
Another good thing is admittedly traveling, you can take your home anywhere, you can go camping anytime, I went to 36 states and did have a blast.

But man oh man is it hard, your life is in your car, cars can easily be broken into, especially depending on where you are (avoid liberal cities), it just will never be as comfortable as a real home, more often than not you're parked somewhere they don't want you to be, I remember having to go to sleep at midnight and leaving by 5am to avoid being caught sleeping in residential areas (cops can find reasons to ticket/arrest you) and plenty of other things.

It has its charms but it has a ton of downsides. It's not really something you'd do if you had a ton of money, and these influencers have enough money that this is just something they play with, it's not real. Influencers are a fucking illusion.
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>>2583057
you VILL live in ze usb caravan unt you VILL be happy
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>>2581714 (OP)
I fucking hate that microvans are so uncommon in the US. For my specific needs they'd be perfect.
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>>2596285
just get an suv or a caravan 
plan is to get a Skoda Octavia and just sleep in it while taking a round trip of Europe with a gas cooker and a solar shower
--- 2597060
Knew a travel nurse would work a few weeks then visit another national park for a few weeks. Liked it enough to do for 7 years.
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>>2596127

Fuck they've turned up in hordes again.
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>>2583057
MAXimum cringe
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>>2584343
social media creates these monsters. modern women cannot exist without a stage
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>>2585094
this is peak "freedom"
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>>2584343
Looks just like Wayne.
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>>2583438
lol'd
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>>2585094
Why pay extra for this when it's just the same as a Homer bucket?
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>>2598692
While any bucket is serviceable, that luggable loo is taller and sturdier (thicker material) than a regular bucket and has a toilet seat lid.
Homer buckets and the blue lowes buckets are some of the shittiest buckets available in the USA; they're thin and prone to cracking and degrading from UV in a way that other buckets are not.

Also, homer buckets aren't made of virgin HDPE. You do insist on pure virgin buckets right?
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>>2598719
Also the orange and blue buckets are not approved for human waste and could get seized when pulled-over or at a border inspection.
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>>2598725
Seized! That’s perfect saves me the trouble.
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>>2581860
you are actually retarded if you believe any of that
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>>2581714 (OP)
>ideal
>ugly femoid
Fucking americans
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>>2581809
I save about that much paying a mortgage
Learn2budget n00b
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>>2583057
Fake
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>>2596285
Looking at this, I just realized you could put in a urinal that spits out on the back tire opposite the side door. Just never shit or need to shower and you're gokden
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>>2596251
gold
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>>2581714 (OP)
most vanlifers are larping youtube faggots. the reality is that it will drive most people utterly crazy. it might be ok for loners, but not couples. You'll be bumping into each other constantly. No space to yourself. Every moment of every day, with the same person inches away from you. You have to listen to them taking a dump every day. You have to deal with them farting in an enclosed space. Eventually, you grow to resent them to the smallest little thing. 
>t. former 'vanlife'er. 100% house dweller now.