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--- 26522997
Someone redpill me on electric car. Are they a meme gone too far? I'm normie as fuck when it comes to cars and so my perspective is that they were just a trend riding MUH GLOBAL WARMING trends, but now it seems that its more than a temporary trend. 

I guess the question is, if there wasn't an environmental concern amongst people, would people still build electric cars, because they are superior to gas? If that's the case, are electric cars more efficient when it comes to an individual's wallet in the long term?
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>>26522997 (OP)
They're gay. 
>/thread 

Sage
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>I'm an electric car
>I can't go very fast or very far
>And if you drive me, people will think you're gay.
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>>26523004
>BRO JUST BUY A TRUCK
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>>26522997 (OP)
This is from a different post I made yesterday and I don't feel like re-typing it:

The EV Push Is An Eco-Washing WEF Psyop.

Here are some basic facts:

> America is the biggest offender when it comes to Carbon emissions from vehicles 

> Yet only 25% of the US' carbon emissions come from ALL transportation

> Only 16% comes from personally owned vehicles

> The most EV biased figures say EVs produce 40% less carbon emissions.

> 40% of 16% is 6.4%

Let it also be known:

The rare earth mineral mining for EVs is atrocious for the environmental, especially since much is moved in 3rd world countries with little to no oversight or regulations leading to massive ecological contamination by these minerals that in some ways are worse than a nuclear waste spill, because unlike nuclear waste, these are elements. They *do not* decay and will permanently destroy the affected area. Unlike nuclear waste, they area will still be contaminated in 500k, 1M, 5M, ect. Years from now.

During the initial invasion of Ukraine, when a bunch of companies barred Russia from their products, there was a not insignificant amount of people urging Elon Musk to disable all Teslas in Russia, and what I noticed that it seemed like no one else picked up on; he responded NOT by saying he
> can't
but that he
> wont

EVs are controllable by the manufacturer, AND by the governments, where they can be remotely disabled, which means they can also be restricted from entering certain areas, or scarier still
>leaving certain areas (see 15 Minute Cities)

So congrats. The evil world "elites" have forced the automakers to produce, and public at large to purchase, vehicles that our power grids can't support, can be remotely deactivated & restricted in where the owner can can & can't drive, and who's production permanently destroys the ecosystems of the mines for it's batteries...

> ... all in the name of a 6.4% reduction in carbon emissions, and most people are falling for it. Bravo.
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>>26523082
>> Yet only 25% of the US' carbon emissions come from ALL transportation

This doesn't make sense, learn to write better zoomer.
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>>26523114
It makes perfect sense.
Acquire better reading compression retard
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>>26523138
>transportation in the United State makes up only 25% of US CO2 emissions 

there fixed it for you.
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>>26522997 (OP)
>if there wasn't an environmental concern amongst people, would people still build electric cars

It costs me 4 cents in electricity per mile, you tell me.
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If someone I know tells me they are going to buy an EV, I fully expect to be invited to their gender reveal party. Obviously I won't attend as I've lost all respect for that person.
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>>26523192
Imagine being this much of a snowflake.
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>>26522997 (OP)
you should just buy the car that benefits you the most. If you want a city commuter where you wont drive more than 150 miles at a time and can charge at home then an EV could be less expensive than a gas car. Otherwise buy the gas car
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>>26523082
Take your meds schizo. Any car build in the last 10 years has a remote kill switch already - GM was doing it since the 90s with Onstar. 

If globohomo wanted to control your mobility they would just shut off the gas refineries. Electric has no single point of failure because everything relies on the grid and it's much easier to make your own electricity than it is to make your own gasoline.
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>>26522997 (OP)
It's hard to tell how entire industries would behave if you ignored the greatest crisis facing humanity. Are you expecting us to be psycohistorians or something?
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>>26522997 (OP)
electric cars are only a viable option for people who lease cars to flex how hard they debtmax to everyone else in the HR department who should probably be in public transit anyways and wont be detrimented by brown outs or pay for electricity, ie; people who don't need cars to begin with

they will not be repaired when they break, they will not become 200k mi $3k beaters, they will not replace gas cars. just because everyone gets vaccinated does not mean the vaccine is effective, if you catch my drift
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>>26523747
>vaccine isn't effective
Was making your entire post untrustworthy the purpose of this statement?
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>>26522997 (OP)
That's a hybrid sir
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>>26522997 (OP)
Global warming is a meme and it really doesn't make any difference what you do.
Most modern ice cars are efficient as fuck anyways and really don't pollute all that much.
If you're gonna get an EV do it because you have fuck you money and genuinely prefer it to an ice or hybrid for whatever reason.
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>>26523004
/thread
EV are for faggots
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EVs are cool toys for richfags and posers.
I drive a car worth 500 euros, occasionally fill up the missing fluids and just send it. I'm saving the planet by not consuming new shit. The amount of pollution produced from my already existing 20+ year old ICE shitbox is negligible compared to the damage for the environment from producing a new car and lithium batteries.
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>>26522997 (OP)
It's like comparing a custom built pc (combustion engine) to an ipad (average ev). Sure the iPad would be convenient and may even be easier to use in a lot of applications but anyone who is a enthusiast or specialist will opt for the more established and tunable option. I think the potential for evs is awesome but until they make user friendly open source options i'll stick with my wrenchable gasoline powered cars. I know I can find parts for them, I know a monkey can replace almost anything on them. And i know the models I run will run forever with minimal upkeep as long as I avoid some idiot crashing into me.
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>>26522997 (OP)
Are electric cars less safe than normal cars? Like could an invading alien species deactivate them or render them useless in any way maybe with EMP? Something maybe they can't do with the rest?
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>>26523082
ev is national security fags, America must have all it's oil left when draining the rest. frack bros killed this based national strat.
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>>26525324
Tesla literally runs Debian GNU/Linux on their onboard PC.
There are open source controller boards for the motors and batteries.
People have built their own BEVs and PHEVs.

A better computer analogy for cars right now is:
Users of Windows 7 mourn the death of the PC, just like legacy car enthusiasts mourn the fact that new gas cars have become too complex.
Users of GNU/Linux offer a way forwards with a simpler and better underlying technology, but its different and requires learning some new things, just like electric vehicles.
Meanwhile the vast majority of the market who don't really care are just buying new machines with Windows 10, or an iPad getting locked into ongoing costs, just like new internal combustion cars.
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>>26524278
I'd fuck them
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>>26522997 (OP)
Electric cars are nice. You never have to worry about being out of gas and going to the gas station again. Literally 0 range anxiety because who the fuck is driving 200+ miles in a normal day. If you really need to take a long trip you can just swap cars with a family member who owns an ICEV.
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>>26525415
Apartment (no parking) -> Hybrid
Home with two cars? -> Short range EV + Hybrid
Home with single vehicle? -> Plug-In Hybrid

Enthusiast 2 car garage -> Fun EV daily + Weekend Car of your choice
Enthusiast 1 car garage -> Long range EV or Performance Hybrid

If you can own more than 2 cars, an electric daily car is a good addition to owning a weekend car, and a comfy grand touring car.
EV road trips are still something I would say is really only ready for enthusiasts who are willing to learn the websites, and know the details of their car's charging setup.
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>>26522997 (OP)
>I guess the question is, if there wasn't an environmental concern amongst people, would people still build electric cars, because they are superior to gas?
Probably not even though they are superior. Elon Musk is the biggest reason there are any mass market EVs on sale today and he's pretty clear that the reason he decided to build EVs was to combat pollution and climate change.

>If that's the case, are electric cars more efficient when it comes to an individual's wallet in the long term?
Yes.
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>>26525448
I have a home with a single vehicle that happens to be a plug-in hybrid and I'll probably trade it for an EV once it's time to get something new. I have access to my own private charging spot and EVs give you more of the good parts of a PHEV (the electric part), so why not?
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>>26525518
Whether a BEV is right for you as a single car today really just depends on the fast charging infrastructure in your region, and how comfortable you are with being an early adopter.

If you don't want to deal with being an early adopter, and you generally drive less than 50 miles on days when you get behind the wheel a PHEV is still the better option.
I'm mainly wary about recommending CCS cars to people as their only vehicle because CCS chargers are still kind of a mess. Tesla is better, but also expensive.
As a second vehicle to supplement a PHEV or more traditional hybrid a CCS car like a Chevy Bolt is an excellent choice.
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>>26522997 (OP)
never heard of anyone driving ev for the enviroment, know many who do it because its cheap and practical.
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>>26525801
Definitely the case with my local Tesla owners club. All old car guys who are enthusiastic about there being a new US brand and like how cheap they are compared to European cars.
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>>26522997 (OP)
all cars can burn when they crash, but electric cars burn so fucking intensely and violently I can't just see a future where there's only elec cars. Imagine for a moment a car crash in the middle of a long tunnel with all electric cars. It would be a massacre.

>t. anon that wants an alternative to jewish fuels
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>>26525893
only i dont know a single tesla owner, thoose guys are just....veird?
a normal carfag looking for a commuter/second car get anything else. golf, leaf, soul....
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>>26525983
Might be different in the US. Tesla is basically the only option here.
CCS charging basically doesn't exist which rules out the Koreans.
Leaf is too short-range even as a secondary car for most people.
Golf isn't offered.

I know some people who have the Bolt as a short range second car, and it works well for that.
I really wouldn't want to go with anything less than 60kWh as a daily car that needs to work in a midwestern winter.
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>>26522997 (OP)
Pro
Ok for commuting with charging at home.
Some have decent range for general European (but not US) use.
Lithium in them might end up getting more valuable than the car you bought.
Some can be used as silent emergency power backup battery, e.g. running the fringe etc. off the car without having to activate a loud generator. 
Taxation and deductibles in some countries and areas can make them very financially sound if you have a business.
Great acceleration. (depending on model)
Cheap charging if you have solar on the roof of your house.
If you already have a car for longer trips an EV is a fun addition.

Con
Bad top-speed, (if you live in Germany and could commute at 200 mph if you're lucky with your local autobahn)
Range decreases drastically at high speed and in freezing weather. (all are affected by the cold and those without heat-pump are completely fucked)
Not enough range for long trips unless changing infrastructure is known to be present.
Only enough lithium available to replace 1/10 of cars with decent electric ones if using current battery tech.
Hard to stop them from burning once they do.
Kinda shit choice for trips if your local charging infrastructure sux, planing charging-stops on the route can be necessary.

Neutral
CO2 scare is a scam
Electricity comes from coal or oil anyway in most regions
Plug-In Hybrid makes more sense if you only have a single vehicle.
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>>26525412
Enjoy aids and pinworms on your dick
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>>26525925
That's simply a problem with manufacturers not using superior LFPs
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>>26526574
>Thomas Edison demonstrates the danger of alternating current
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>>26523082
>40% of 16% is 6.4%
AKSHULLY you have to subtract from both the numerator and denominator making it 6.9%
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>>26526830
>there are 100 items
>16% of the items are allocated to you
>you have to divide your items into three groups, 40%, 40%, and 20% of the 16 that you got (you can cut them up, it's okay)
>6.9+6.9+3.45=17.25
>by subdividing your items, you got an extra 1.25
Is this what they call new math?
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>>26526905
what? It's just basic logic. if you reduce emissions from a portion of the total "emitters", then the total emissions also goes down by the same amount.
t. 3 digit IQ
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>>26526762
>/o/tard has no idea what the fuck he's talking about
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>>26525622
>If you don't want to deal with being an early adopter, and you generally drive less than 50 miles on days when you get behind the wheel a PHEV is still the better option.
Range is such a small part of the overall experience, though. There's a whole package to consider. With a BEV, you're getting way more power and generally a sportier driving experience (as most PHEVs are not sporty at all). They also have more interior and cargo space for their outward dimensions. Then there's all the extra complexity and things to go wrong that BEVs don't have. It's a lot to give up. I'd say unless you absolutely need that gas engine, a BEV is a much better vehicle.
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Tempted to get one just so I don’t have to go to the gas station as much. Would need to have a gas weekend car though, I don’t trust the government or the power grid.
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>>26525448
>city faggot can't imagine people being able to fix and maintain their own vehicles
>city faggot can't even imagine needing a work vehicle
There is no circumstance where EVs make sense unless you do not understand the facts or are a shill. Cars are not a status symbol, they are made for work. EVs cannot handle this work.
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>>26528227
>city faggot
LOL, I'm an Iowan you fucking moron.

>There is no circumstance where EVs make sense
There are tons of circumstances where BEVs, PHEVs, and HEVs make sense.
Being entirely dependent on fossil fuels, or using fossil fuels inefficiently doesn't make economic sense.

>can't even imagine needing a work vehicle
There are a lot of electric vehicles that are great work vehicles, and the lower operating costs add up quickly.
Especially if you are self-employed or your job compensates you for mileage at a fixed rate, driving a more efficient vehicle is money in your pocket.

>can't even imagine people being able to fix and maintain their own vehicles
People have swapped Volt batteries in their driveways.
Your argument is invalid.
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>>26528358
>this entire post
topkek
Some Cali faggot moves to Boise during the rony and thinks he's not a Cali faggot anymore.
>calling oil and natural gas fossil fuels
Already proves you have no idea what you're talking about but, There are a lot of electric vehicles that are great work vehicles takes the cake. They can't even tow a fucking boat.
https://tiremeetsroad.com/2022/09/06/ford-f-150-lightning-owner-upgraded-battery-towing-wake-boat-says-full-charge-got-58-miles/
You stupid faggots need to keep your suicidal tendencies to yourself and let the real men make decisions.
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>>26528382
Misread the state your cali faggot ass moved to because I was laughing, Des Moine, not Boise.
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I do not recommend the bmw i3 if you live around gravel roads with snow. I traded it in after my first winter. Other than that.. no AC in the back so have fun driving people around in summer. My kid almost had a heat stroke before I realised this.
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>>26528382
Sorry anon wrong again. I'm not from California, and never lived in California. Only been there once or twice.

The F-150 Lightning can't tow because it's a truck with a barely 4 gallon equivalent battery in its largest configuration. See how far a gas truck can tow with 4 gallons.
Personally I wish Workhorse had brought out their PHEV truck, that would have been ideal. But Trump totally fucked them over.

Although I'm not sure how towing your boat is a 'work vehicle' application.
Does your local handyman tow his boat around with him all the time to show the people he's fucking over where their money is going?
Maybe its just 'midwestern nice', but we tend to be a little more discrete about that kind of thing.
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>>26528407
>Does your local handyman tow his boat around with him all the time to show the people he's fucking over where their money is going?
No, he tows a workshop that weighs 3000lbs more, 10x as far a day. If he had an EV like you suggest, he would have to live in his car, ironically without electricity.
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>>26528399
The i3 was such a great concept for a vehicle.
40kWh battery pack to keep it lightweight.
Carbon fiber body to make it even lighter.
Skinny tires to optimize efficiency.
MR RWD powertrain.
Range-extender engine good for 50mpg.

How did they fuck it up so badly by making it a weird-mobile with a less than 2 gallon fuel tank?
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>>26528413
So why bring up a boat? It sounds like you're just making up scenarios you think will be impossible for EVs as you go along.
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>>26528426
Because nobody that runs a handyman business would be stupid enough to buy an EV and I needed to post a real world example to show you how stupid you actually are, which unfortunately was not conveyed to you because you are in fact even more retarded than I could assume.
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>>26528418
I had the pure electric. It was great for commuting, except for times where I had to drive for work and had to take a loaner or being forced to take 2-3 charge breaks. (60Ah battery)

Or when I drove my coworkers around town and had to remove my seat belt every time someone had to get in or out. 

Or when I had to use the baby seat in the passenger seat, making the rear door completely useless since the seat belt ran from it.
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FUCK Biden.
FUCK the EPA.
FUCK tree-huggers and hippies.
FUCK liberals.
FUCK electric vehicles.
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>>26522997 (OP)
EV cars are globohomo bad without saving points.

Hybrid cars are based and good because they’re comfy and has low running costs. 

PHEV based on a hybrid architecture (like the Prius) are even more based because they have the best of both worlds, the plug in battery is small enough to be charged at home during the night and gives you 100% of the daily range to suit your needs and you can charge the battery with solar panels for free.

>t. Lexus NX 450h+ driver
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is gasoline and oil actually going to run out in 10 years or is my mother meming me
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>>26523012
Yes.
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>>26528433
What kind of handyman is pulling a bobcat around with him everywhere? Those guys are hacks with at most a miter saw, ladder, and a screw gun. An EV would save them a fortune in gas.

It's amazing the convoluted scenarios you have to come up with to justify not getting a superior product. EVs aren't perfect for 100% of cases but they will work in over 90% right now today.
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>>26528418
They thought onions guzzling Instagram whores would buy it to show off. 

Bmw should have called it the isetta
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>>26522997 (OP)
without government intervention electric cars would not be mass-adopted (i.e. >30%) by consumers for decades 

>>26529886
We have 200 years of proven oil reserves and a lot more that we haven't investigated yet
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>>26523012
Preferably a diesel truck without a DEF tank.
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>>26522997 (OP)
They are a meme that has gone to far because normies have the unironic opinion of 'if I don't see it then that means it is green!". They don't actually save the environment at all since you still need fossil fuels to power the electricity, and the strip mines for EV materials are literal black holes of pollutants compared to even the most inefficient oil well. Another factor is that normies want giant cars and EVs give them that fantasy without feeling bad
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>>26522997 (OP)
/o/'s opinion: Boomers don't like it, don't buy it.
My opinion: Only get it if you're a cityfag. EV is the best possible urban daily driver (not a weekend car), A to B. Use PHEV/HEV (Hybrids). City as in Bay Area, Chicago, NYC.
Otherwise, ignore.
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>>26528418
>less than 2 gallon fuel tank
customer's wouldn't qualify for EV tax rebates if it was any bigger
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>>26529867
FUCK Mobb Deep
FUCK Biggie
FUCK Bad Boy as a staff, record label, AND as a motherfuckin' crew
And if you wanna be down with Bad Boy, then FUCK you too!
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>>26522997 (OP)
No they're based
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>>26522997 (OP)
Are you either a) a double-digit IQ idiot, or b) a fag who cares what the liberal media thinks? If either of those are yes, you'll probably actually give a toss about an electric car.
Otherwise, no. Also, pic rel on production process.

>>26523004
Correct, and based.
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>>26529886
Its not going to run out, just the massive Government subsidies that make it artificially cheap.

>>26530053
Government intervention is what created the market conditions where nothing else could compete with fossil fuels. Now that intervention is going to end, and make synthetic fuels and bio fuels able to compete and see more investment.
Just won't change the fact that electric cars are cheaper than anything else despite unsubsidized energy costs because of how efficient they are.
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>>26530101
>you still need fossil fuels to power the electricity
If electric motors were only as efficient as internal combustion engines, and fossil fuels really were the only source of electricity you might have a point.
However, the reality is that an above average gas car uses a kWh of fuel every single mile, while a below average EV does 3 on the same amount of energy.
So even if you're running on coal that belches out 950 grams of CO2 on average for every kWh delivered to a customer, if that customer does 3 miles a kWh they only emit 316 grams of CO2.
That above average 1000 Wh/mi gas car is going to emit around 333.

Now consider that if you're charging on base load electricity in the US the split there is 58% nuclear and hydro electric to just 48% coal, and the typical EV on the road today does about 4 miles a kWh, and the typical gas car uses 1.35 kWh a mile.
That makes only 114 grams a mile for the EV vs 450 grams a mile for the gas car.

Of course that's generalizing to the US. Depending on where you live you might get a lot of electrical input from coal base load, or you might already get most base load from clean nuclear power, or you might have significant renewable contribution during the day making it better to charge then.
Electric drive trains give us a ton of options on where to get our electricity from.

>strip mines for EV materials are literal black holes of pollutants
Yep, look how terrible the conditions are! Oh wait, that's the tar sands that provide an increasing amount of oil for North America.
Its never going to be better to burn 3600lbs of fossil fuels a year in a gas car, which requires significant amounts of rare materials as catalysts for the refining process, than it is to take 1000lbs of iron, phosphorus, and a dash of lithium to make batteries that will last about a million miles.
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>>26533111
Just to drive home your first point - you will literally be able to drive further by putting a gallon of gas in a generator and using it to charge a tesla than you would putting that same gallon of gas into a similar car. The electric drivetrain is only part of the story, it's ridiculously aerodynamic and efficient compared to anything else in its class.
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>>26532918
>>26533111
>mine bad
>oil spill good
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>>26529879
If this doesn’t convince you every hybrid shill is also a Toyota shill idk what will.
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>>26533777
Nigger, they literally invented the hybrid, what else should people buy when looking for a hybrid when all of their competition is shit?
Probably only Kia/Hyundai hybrids are worthy since they're based on the same Atkinson cycle engine Toyota/Lexus uses, but since they're mated with DCT gearboxes (and because they're fucking Kia and Hyundai garbage) they're instantly lol'd and lmao'd @.
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>>26522997 (OP)
i bought electric because i hate going to the gas station and paying gas tax. 

With an EV in NJ, i get 10% off tolls, get to use special lanes, designated parking that other normies havent filled up.
11.5k off the car. no sales tax. 1.5k credit to my electricty bill after installing a charger.

Idk man EVs are just better if you need a car to daily commute and do errands.
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>>26522997 (OP)
> if there wasn't an environmental concern amongst people, would people still build electric cars, because they are superior to gas?
Yeah.
-Instant Torque
-Handles hills fantastically
-Motors are more compact and cheaper so AWD is more accessible, generally speaking.
-Runs quieter
-Better weight distribution
-Can refuel at home in convenience.
-Can fall asleep in one without dying.
-Can power stuff off of it.
-Less moving parts

>If that's the case, are electric cars more efficient when it comes to an individual's wallet in the long term?
Depends.
In operational terms yes, absolutely.
-Less moving parts, less liquids involved, lower maintenance and downtime. 
-Way, way cheaper refueling.

In financial terms, not exactly.
-Insurance is schizophrenic and doesn’t know how they work because “new technology”
-resell value gets obliterated because again “new technology”, lots of newer more inexpensive stuff coming out every year, driving down resale price.
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>>26534096
>Better weight distribution
Well there certainly is plenty to go around
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>>26533798
Besides not going to the gas station all the benefits you listed are due to government intervention, not inherent to the platform.
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>>26533787
Honda Insight went on sale well before the Prius, and got double the mileage
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>>26535937
No it didn't you mongoloid, the Prius went on sale in 1997 and Toyota invented the hybrid car. Period.
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>>26536067
North America is the only continent that matters. And the Insight still got double the mileage of the Prius
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>>26530140
This kind of thing is only what people who have never driven one say.
Current model EVs are getting 400 miles easily now, and that's just going to get better with the Solid State batteries coming out now.
That and the performance is just phenomenal.
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>>26523082
 You should look into copper production and grades. Cost of production has increased by 300% while ore grade from extraction has dropped by 30%.

If China gets more of the sanctions boot you can kiss cheap EVs goodbye though at the moment it's Eurocucks getting BTFO as companies are abandoning opening battery factories in the EU for US or China due to Biden's battery initiative. Soon as Europes manufacturing is dead though, you can bet China's getting cut and everything will be made in the good ole US of A.
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>>26523886
The vaccine was ineffective. The virus mutated at such a rate that the initial series was ineffective months after the public received it.
T. Medical professional who spent a year administering covid antibodies
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>>26537617
>time to charge up!
>oh no, the charging station is out of order
>oh no, this station haven’t got fast charge
>oh no, this one have fast charge but the 4 chargers are all taken by people who are eating at the nearest McDonald’s and won’t be back in 50min
>finally I found a charge station that on the map says aren’t taken. Oh no, regular cars are parking there and the cable is too short if I try to park next to them. 
>guess I’ll just wait for my turn, fun ride. 

t. Someone who got sick and tired of the infrastructure and retards. I’ll wait another 10 years.
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>>26530140
EVs actually suck for city dwellers because they don't have easy access to overnight charging
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>>26537617
Most of them aren't getting that mileage. Besides if you have to di any driving that doesn't end with you at home with your own charger it's just a shit experience
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leftypol /n/iggers tongue my anus
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>>26528194
The price of gasoline is less stable than the price of electricity.
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>>26537981
Apartments have charging for EVs.
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>>26538722
Some do, but it's still pretty bad in America. It'll get better over time but currently EVs are better for people living in suburbs
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>>26537770
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>>26540657
GET THESE FACTS OUT OF MY FACE!!!!!
TRUMP 2024!!!
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>>26540657

*with covid =/= because of covid.
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>>26542387
its a covid 19 death, cope more faggot.
If you died of a heart attack we don't say some stupid shit like "he didn't die of a heart attack he died because his artery clogged" Its a distinction without a difference.
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>>26537770
t. generic med tech pretending to be a doctor.
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>>26522997 (OP)
>Someone redpill me on electric car. Are they a meme gone too far?

A PHEV all-in-one or a cheap BEV for city driving plus an ICE car for road trips where it’s at at the moment. Battery technology and infrastructure distribution mean that it’s not feasible for most people to go BEV-only at the moment, especially in 4-season climates.
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>>26542566
Tesla and Tesla charger network is probably 90% there for road trips BEV. 

Yeah, you'll spend 15 more mins at a charging station than at a gas station to "fill-up" but their chargers are well planned out and you can make cross country trips with almost no planning.

For non-Tesla BEV just plan to always charge at home, non-Tesla chargers suck allot and will leave you stranded.

The problem with keeping an ICE car for road trips --- if your ICE car isn't driven regularly the gas becomes stale, muffler rusts out, engine oil/water separation, etc. You gotta get it warmed up at least once a week. If you don't drive for 3 months, need to add fuel stabilizer.
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>>26542391
If someone stubs their toe and has a heart attack we don't say they died of a stubbed toe. There is no distinction or difference, just fucking retardation.
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>>26542593
>if your ICE car isn't driven regularly the gas becomes stale, muffler rusts out, engine oil/water separation, etc. You gotta get it warmed up at least once a week. If you don't drive for 3 months, need to add fuel stabilizer.
This narrative gets worse and worse every time. Soon the alignment will be going out if you leave it parked on a hill. Then what, the headlamps burn out due to too much sun?
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>>26542753
gotta replace that headlight fluid every 6 months bruh
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>>26542387
https://youtu.be/bzh6HwN0gbw [Embed]
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>>26522997 (OP)
>Are they a meme gone too far?
Yes. The best electric car is a PHEV as they have a gearbox to not bulk battery or volts. Future electric vehicles will have their power limited because unlimited power only means a higher volt requirement. To get higher volts you also need more battery power cells. More battery cells increases the weight of the vehicle. Higher volts is what makes car go boom instead of car go zzzrt. A system with a lot of volts takes a lot of power to convert and recharge. Things like the number of motors, mounting of differentials in future designs to increase the range of the vehicle, because energy cannot escape the demand of "limitless" RPM to maintain speed. The surprising thing is a Nissan Leaf has the most innovative electric powertrain on the market, only to be beat by a literal mid drive motor electric bike. Newer electric vehicles and brands are returning to be more traditionally mechanical to defeat the battery bulk.
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>>26533777
>If this doesn’t convince you every hybrid shill is also a Toyota shill idk what will.

It doesn’t hurt that Toyota’s Hybrid Synergy Drive and related variants like Ford Escape Hybrid drivetrains made by Aisin Seiki are more or less the gold standard for series hybrids that have yet to be toppled for all-around reliability and efficiency.

Granted, if you’re looking for PHEVs specifically, Toyota only started becoming competitive with other marques’ offerings such as the Chevy Volt and Honda Clarity from the RAV4 Prime onwards. Assuming you can actually get one.
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>>26522997 (OP)
Lots of wealthy early investors and China as well owning the lithium. 

European green zealots. 

Combine it all and you have a giant forced meme. 

The cars themselves are ok for commuting but women don’t like them since they aren’t reliable for a road trip. They’re also jsut too heavy and expensive to be practical for sporty or mass market poor fag cars.

Jury is out but I’m starting to think I shouldn’t have bought lithium stocks
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>>26522997 (OP)
>My Global Warming
As good or bad as this is, as brilliant or stupid a concern. The bigger thing is Muh Global Warming types slowly are starting to realize that all EVs are infact far worse for the environment generally speaking, they are going the way of Wind Turbines(which have so many problems its not funny). The best thing is a ICE car that lasts 20 years+ while still being relatively emissions compliant. lithium ion simply cannot do that. Not to say you can't keep a EV running for 20+ years but the battery is the offensive part and you'll be replacing it 2-4 times in that period if you actually use it.
They are however very good regarding local pollution, so some of the WE NEED IT ALL TO BE EV appeal may dwindle but upper scale city types will still want/demand it so far as i can figure. 
Alternatively they are currently VERY cost effective to run, but this would completely stop happening, and also contribute to insane increase in basic electricity costs if everyone started using them, so in that regard they simply have become a symbol of wealth and not just because they are expensive, if you enjoy looking down on plebs then ideally you reap the benefits and the unwashed masses who you constantly belittle for burning gas do not or you will stop benefitting all the same.
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>>26530514
based 2pac poster
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>>26543302
i have my own concerns but appreciate this post, will never know what type of engineering mind is behind it but too rare to see something i wish i would of posted lmao
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>>26543768
Everything you said is retarded. Wind energy and solar energy are making up a larger and larger percentage of countries energy generation. EVs are massively environmentally friendly compared to ICE. EVs are cheaper to being simpler designs and charging being cheap, or in some places free.
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>You now realize “hit the gas” will have a completely different meaning in 2100 when they look back at movies from the past.
jej.