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--- 14897313
>Biden is a French name

Why do so many white Americans identify as Irish or Scottish and such when in real terms they have no connection to them beyond some vague stuff like “my grandfather had an Irish second name!”

It’s bizarre because I can’t imagine this shit happening in a European country. You don’t see some guy in England with a Swedish second name whose family has lived there for 120 years proudly claiming he is Swedish and misses his homeland
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>>14897313 (OP)
>implying the origin of someone's last name is necessarily reflective of the majority of their genetic makeup
retard
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>>14897313 (OP)
americans decide their ancestry by throwing dart at Europe’s map but because most Americans are fat drunks they land it in Ireland and Scotland
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>>14897323
>most Americans are fat drunks
The ones who take after the Founders, in any case.
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>>14897319
If genetic makeup is how you decide your culture, why aren’t most white Americans harping on about being German and English
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>>14897332
Because those are both the "losers" in the only two wars any of them care about.
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>>14897332
It's understood that most White Americans are mostly English, so when people want to be special they will of course emphasize less common ancestries. Plus American culture is basically a spinoff of English, so if you want to learn about your ancestors' culture, food, dress, music, traditions, etc. it's only natural to take an interest in something more distinct than English. 
Also plenty of White Americans harp on being English anyway, moms everywhere love the Royal family. 
Why do you care anyway?
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>>14897313 (OP)
American here, I agree, its complete bullshit. The people who do shit like that are usually the Trad types who feel like they need some connection to the "Old World" to ground themselves, and its ridiculous
THAT BEING SAID, there is a lot of legitimacy behind a lot of Americans saying they're Irish or Scottish, because the last major wave of European immigrants to the United States happened fairly recently, between the late 19th to early 20th centuries, and so many of us remember having a grandparent or great grandparent who would often share stories of growing up in Ireland or Scottland before immigrating to the United States. 
If its any consolation, I can say with confidence me and my family are all Anglos, we arrived in America in the 1600s and remained in heavy Anglo communities through to the present day. I know the names and identities of 11 of my ancestors since then from both sides of my family. But if you ask me, I'm just an American. And will always be an American. Because I guaruntee you my earliest ancestors from after 1776 would never want to call themselves English either.
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>>14897337
>Why do you care anyway?

God I hate people like you

>don’t discuss anything! Caring is lame!
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>>14897313 (OP)
It's an English name actually.
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Ireland and identifying with it is sort of a meme in America, that’s all there is to it really.
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>>14897313 (OP)
>Biden
>French name

Dans quel monde c'est un nom français putain ?
--- 14897847
If I remember correctly his mother is of Irish descent while his dad was Huguenot.

That said, yanks typically identify with whatever part of Europe (of the parts which they have significant ancestry from) that they like most. Everyone loves Ireland, everyone hates Brits. It's simple enough.
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>>14897603
All English Americans say they are Irish or Scottish though. 

Not really any that say they’re welsh for some reason
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>>14897847
>everyone loves Ireland

Do they? Kinda just seems like they see them as weak and therefore an easy underdog figure
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>>14897313 (OP)
Because generally you do have a connection to these countries. I'm mixed Italian and French for example. I was raised Catholic and my mother typically cooked Italian meals while growing up. I'm not going to say I'm as Italian as someone born in Italy, but there are still echos of the culture that my great-grandparents brought over with them all around me. You do feel a slight connection. I certainly feel more Italian than french though since my mom was the homemaker and she is the Italian one.
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>>14897847
so I'm mostly of German ancestry but also a little Hungarian on my mother's side but who gaf about Hungary?
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>>14897313 (OP)
Americans simply think the irish and scottish are cool rebellious plucky noble savages, in direct opposition to the tyrannical, pompous and lame european kingdoms of Britan, France and the like.
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>>14897313 (OP)
Could be from the Norman's, like Fitzgerald. I've never met a Biden though 
t. Irishanon
--- 14899169
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Americans called themselves Irish just because it's funny how irrationally angry it makes Anglos online
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>>14897313 (OP)
Norman conquest or Latin-Franks immigration
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>>14897313 (OP)
That's not the only thing that Biden has falsified. He's not even the President. President Trump is still the President.
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>>14897313 (OP)
Truth is that Europeans and especially Western Euros have been mixing with each other for over 1000 years and more elite your family is the more they mixed. Nationalism and language standardisation is a flavour LARP that's literally younger than America.
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>>14898730
Literally this. Same reason why white as fuck Americans will boast about being part native Apache somehow

Irishness is joke to Americans culturally. The equivalent of the it’s a small world ride at Disneyland. Which makes the Irish grovelling at their feet always amusing
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>>14899169
>everybody I don’t like is Anglos

I’m Brazilian. You guys are retarded. And that’s coming from a Brazilian
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>>14897313 (OP)
He wants Irish to vote for him. It's similar to how Warren Wilhelm Jr. goes by Bill de Blasio so Italians will vote for him.
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>>14897982
Americans don't even know what Wales is.
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>>14899489
>europeans so high off their own smugness they think we don't know basic sea creatures
We have one of the largest coastlines in the fucking world, you stupid eurocuck.
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>>14899555
Kek.
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>>14897847
Also there's a religion factor. Biden is Catholic, so he won't identify with the Huguenot side. An awful lot of American churches are really ethnic ones.
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>>14899480
Yeah it's basically a 2024 campaign trip aimed at Irish-Americans in the Midwest and Pennsylvania. I thought it was funny that Biden came out at that rally to the Dropkick Murphys.
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I'm not Catholic, my family were pretty fundie Church of Christers, but Biden has a "Catholic" vibe to him from what I've seen as well. Which makes sense because he's Catholic, but he sometimes looks like a priest. He's only our second Catholic president too.

A rather gothic figure in some ways.
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>>14897332
My girlfriend and I are both white Americans with English surnames who are ethnically English but I've never really met any other ones.
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>>14900206
>a geriatric boomer billionaire who eats big macs and had an army of people storm congress waving pepe flags
>another geriatric, literally too old to be a boomer, whose entire hopes of staying us president rest on him being able to convince enough muh heritage fags he's actually irish
you know i'm starting to think i'm unconscious and my brain is (poorly) making up a world it thinks is realistic
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>>14899480
>He wants Irish to vote for him
What year is this, 1880? The Irish bloc stopped being important by the 1930s when Italians displaced their political machines in the big cities.
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>>14900363
What other reason do people have to vote democrat?
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>>14897313 (OP)
Why do Europeans feel the need to ask daily why American's care about their ancestry? Nobody cares about random buzzfeed articles about where the name Biden came from, but why is it such a strange thing for someone to take an interest in their genetic roots?
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>>14900387
There are none, for boomers anyways. The only boomers who still vote for the Democrats are Catholics.
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>>14900259
You’re Irish. Stop letting the Britishers lie to you
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>>14900460
Same reason Americans ask Europeans stuff. While people have curiosity. If you don’t you’re not white
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>>14900579
good morning sar
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>>14900259
It's pretty common. What state do you live in? Here in Oregon most people I've met have English surnames. If you're from the east coast or midwest the whites are more exotic.
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>>14900579
>Britishers
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>>14900601
I’m English and I don’t understand why you’d take so much stock in surnames. Half the white people in England have “non English” surnames. Whether that be Irish, German, French etc

If your family has been here for a century or more what difference does or make whatsoever?

The main nationalist figure we had for ages was Nigel Farage and his second name is French Huguenot
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>>14897313 (OP)
My last name is in English yet I'm almost 95% sub-Saharan African. Someone in my family about 7-8 generations ago married (yes, married) a free black woman in Jamaica, and now I exist.
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>>14900610
>Whether that be Irish, German, French etc

In a few decades this will include Slavic, specifically Polish and Albanian surnames.
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>>14900635
Raxe-mixer bros... I thought that our grandkids would be white???
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>>14900610
>I’m English and I don’t understand why you’d take so much stock in surnames
It's not perfect, but it's at least some indication of someone's origins. If your name is Tortellini or whatever then it's unlikely you're a WASP.
>Half the white people in England have “non English” surnames. Whether that be Irish, German, French etc
I doubt it's that many. What makes you say that? Sorry to be a sourcefag but source?
>If your family has been here for a century or more what difference does or make whatsoever?
I wasn't making much of a claim about whether it matters or not. Just an observation.
>The main nationalist figure we had for ages was Nigel Farage and his second name is French Huguenot
Yeah but he's not really French either in terms of ancestry or culture. It's like one guy who passed the name along.
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Its Robinette (Joe Biden's real name) that is a French name, not Biden
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>>14899489
Heh. The English don't even know they're Welsh because of penal laws. 
anglo-kikes trolling b8 is eternal kek
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>>14900644
Yeah, it will. There’s plenty of weird surnames already for random white people in England

>>14900663
Sorry. No source off the top of my head.

It’s just that if you look white. You’re basically assimilated into being English by the second generation.

Off the top of my head there’s even plenty of mixed race people who technically aren’t white but you wouldn’t know

>Emilia Clarke

Part Indian

>Kate beckinsale

Part Burmese

>Boris Johnson 

Part Turkish 

None of them think they aren’t English
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>>14900772
>You’re basically assimilated into being English by the second generation.
>None of them think they aren’t English
America was swamped with various ethnics whereas in England it's just been a trickle. For a long time they had their own enclaves so the identity persists even long after it's become moribund and larpy. Biden grew up with his mother telling him he's Irish so that's what he thinks he is.
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>>14900610
>Half the white people in England have “non English” surnames.
Nah that's bullshit
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>>14900561
ha no there are a lot of boomers of various flavors that are staunch Democrats including richfags on the coasts, most Jews, and most government workers.
--- 14900907
My great grandparents Anglicized their surname during the anti-German butthurt spree in WWI.
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>>14897313 (OP)
Here in Argentina your ancestry is considered a "fun fact" at most. People may give you a nickname based on your surname (the Polish dude, the Italian, the Turk, the Russian, etc) but it's mostly boomers who do that. You may also get asked where your surname is from, and people have a vague idea of where their grandparents came from, but it's really not something part of your identity.

In the past (until 1950s?) there used to be "immigrant's clubs" (people of Basque ancestry would go play paddle at a place called the Basque Club, or a person of British ancestry would go play rugby at a place called Hindu Club) but now while these places still exist with those names, people mingle completely, they are no longer ethnic clubs but rather Argentine football and rugby clubs.

I think the tendency of Americans to hyphenate makes the differences worse... like, why not simply be an American, as opposed to Irish-American, Mexican-American, etc. ?
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>>14898479
If you're mostly German (75-80%) genetically, then you're a German, even if you're born in the US. If you're born to German/Italian/Irish/Finnish/Slavic parents, that's what you are. Simple as.

Like euros aren't a mishmash of their own countries themselves.
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>>14900970
>Hindu Club
This is not a dig at you Bongs btw. There really is a club called that. I think the founders were Anglos with some ties to the Raj.
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>>14897313 (OP)
It's because the Irish immigrants who went to America saw themselves as "temporary refugees" who would return to an independent Ireland. They actively encouraged and instilled Irish nationalism onto their kids and the Irish themselves encourage this because it gets them tourism money and an army of Plastic Paddy golems to shill for Irish interests in America.
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>>14897332
>German
World Wars made them lame, also Americans cannot speak German anymore
>English
It's the "default" and therefore taken for granted and seen as boring. Nowadays having "Anglo Saxon pride" is also decried as White Supremacist and seen as evil/immoral/racist/etc.
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>>14897603
England has plenty of French names, for obvious reasons. Normans + Huguenots gave us all the D'Arcys, Sinclairs, Bidens, Villes, Bassets, etc.
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>>14899169
>how irrationally angry it makes Anglos online
*all Europeans
Italians lose their shit at Americans because they slightly modify the sacred recipes or whatever. It's always the "AAAAA ANNNNOOO YOU A DESECRATE A DAH PASTA NNNOOO AMERICANO PIG!"
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>>14900635
Caribbean and North American blacks almost always have British surnames. Every black American or Jamaican I've met has a name that would fit in Hampshire or Lancashire lol
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>>14901080
Cutting pasta in half is retarded though.
It gets soft within less than a minute of the cooking process.
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>>14900970
The USA is just like that as well, your impression of it from online interaction is simply muddled by the fact that everyone behaves like a caricature online.
Intermarriage is the norm in the US, even for Jewish communities, like 50% of Jews in the US marry non-Jews now. 
>If you're mostly German (75-80%) genetically, then you're a German, even if you're born in the US.
No you're not, unless you actually speak German. The Amish can be called "Germans" of a sort because they actually speak (a dialect of) the fucking language.
Wannabe fifth columnist fags who can't pronounce Streichholzschachtel have no right to call themselves "German"
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>>14901092
That’s because black slaves got baptised and given new names. Obviously they’d get anglo ones.
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>>14901104
>>If you're mostly German (75-80%) genetically, then you're a German, even if you're born in the US.
>No you're not, unless you actually speak German. The Amish can be called "Germans" of a sort because they actually speak (a dialect of) the fucking language.
Wannabe fifth columnist fags who can't pronounce Streichholzschachtel have no right to call themselves "German"
was directed at 
>>14900979
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>>14901111
Then fire up Rosetta Stone and learn the language. Talk to older relatives and learn words/phrases from them.

I said GENETICALLY German, not culturally.
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>>14901080
Irish and Italians are reversed in America. The Irish are worse in America but better in Ireland, and the Italians are worse in Italy but better in America. 

https://youtu.be/6Ov-nXHoVK0 [Embed]
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>>14898479
Me
>t. Albanian
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>>14901092
Jamaicans in particular always have old fashioned British names. Nine times out of ten, if you see a black man named Clifford, Barrington, Wesley, Nigel, or Winston, they're of Jamaican descent.
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>>14900649
Hilariously, if I married a white woman, I'd still be passing down my R1b haplogroup, but with a very different genetic profile.
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>>14900970
>why not simply be an American

It's because Anglo Saxon descended Americans made sure that we would never forget that we aren't them, and will never be them. We had to either assimilate losing everything we had or we couldn't assimilate due to either racial or ethnic discrimination. The best example of this are African Americans. Even if there's someone who was descended from nothing but freemen for 12 generations back and was as American as could be culturally, their race would immediately mark them as "other". 

Besides, I know Argentines have different issues relating to race, what happened to your black people? Even Uruguay still has a visible minority that isn't ultra mixed race, and they're even whiter!
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>>14897313 (OP)
Biden is actually an Anglo-Saxon name. Doesn't get any whiter than that. I don't even like Biden, you're just flat out wrong.
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>>14900206
That's so adorable that he can't actually run on wokeshit because nobody wants that stuff so instead he has to do this quaint 1950s Democrat campaign thing like "Yeah I'm totally a blue collar Irish dude just like you folks."
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so he's not biologically irish, but he identifies as that and we have to accept it
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>>14901860
No idiot, his mom is Irish.
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>>14897332
>on about being German and English
Germans got supressed to death in WW1, otherwise I would assure they would be as autistic as Argentine Germans. As for the English, they either became Southern, consider themselves American (the last two overlap), or died as the last WASPs in New England
--- 14901989
My father was Scottish and was born there and yet I don't feel like I'm Scottish
I have no connection to the Scottish people
I think Robert Burns is a boring poet
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>>14901104
Glad to hear

>>14901778
>what happened to your black people?
They blended into the population. 6% have some African genes. Where did da black people disappear is some meme question only clueless foreigners ask... if you understand we only had like 500k people at independence and 7 million Euros and Middle Easterners immigrated it makes perfect sense they were outnumbered by the immigrants. Black population was small because slavery was abolished very early, there were no plantations like in the USA. They were mostly limited to domestic servants for rich people in colonial times.

>>14901964
>I would assure they would be as autistic as Argentine Germans
Don't even know what this is supposed to mean but our Germans are all pretty liberal and integrated with the community, it's hard to find a German descendant that isn't part Spanish/Italian/Native or whatever. Even weird mixes like Armenian-German descendant like David Nalbandian (tennis player).
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>>14901778
>>14902083
BTW, Uruguay is whiter but they received both less Euros (proportionally) but also much less immigrants from the rest of South America as we did in modern times, so they have less native genetics. Their population is a bit more similar to colonial times. African percentage is mostly the same in both countries, it's just that theirs are more visible and ours are more bleached.

Uruguay has 4% African genes concentrated in 4-5% of the population, we have 2% African gene admixture spread out in 6% of the population, people like Juan Veron (soccer player) who may not "look black" but they have some African heritage. So they are not "visibly black" but they exist.
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My grandfather was mostly German yet he identified with his Irish background which was like 5% way more. No fucking clue why honestly
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>>14902123
Proud to be a shiItalian and also Uruguayan diaspora.
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>>14897313 (OP)
Biden is a Jewish name
--- 14902733
I fucking hate the USA and Biden but watching British media seethe endlessly about his visit to Ireland has been very funny
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>>14897332
I think it’s because (in addition to what >>14901062
 said) Irish race were people living in the shit. Viewed as “harded” by most people unlike Germans and the posh English “hur hur hur!”
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>>14902733
Trump is half-Scottish. He could have visited Scotland and made a speech about Bannockburn if he wanted to annoy them I suppose.
--- 14903346
yeah yeah we know German-American identity was largely suppressed during WWI. the Midwest has a lot of Scandinavians as well but they also largely assimilated and didn't preserve a separate identity for very long.
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>>14901104
I'm French Cajun. It was an incredibly insular community before the late-20th century. My great grandparents didn't even speak English. I'm PVR Frog on both sides going back to colonial days.
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>>14901866
You get your ethnicity through your father, imagine saying your Spanish and being named van der weide.
This is how it goes in Europe atleast.
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>>14901856
Politicians, especially these kinda "retail politicians" who have doing it their whole lives, can often be quite charming in person. I've only met one pretty high-up guy (presidential debate stage level), not Biden though, and I thought the guy was a dummy, but they have this weird glint in their eyes that disarms people. Then if they get a decent line or joke in they'll flash that politician Smiler grin at you. It's bizarre.

It's interesting how he does it. Love him (who does though?) or hate him, Biden is either craftier than his enemies have given him credit for, or he is somehow (maybe) synthesizing American politics in a weird way out of necessity just so it can hold together. He is applying a kinda neo-Keynesian policy and folded Bernie in, but he's an old white guy who's doing that quaint '50s thing like you said. He's sorta woke in a general moral sensibility but he is totally confident in his ability to speak in the same cultural vernacular as the average retiree. Like I said, very Catholic. Which he is. There's a Catholic culture that's more "quiet." He wanted to bring the temperature down.

>>14902733
The British media is terrible. It's worse than America and our media is pretty fuckin bad
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To be totally fair I doubt every white American has European ancestry from the continent dating back centuries. There are definitely more whites that are the spawn of celtic and German dregs, that’ve coke more recently. So their parents probably bring it more.
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>>14897313 (OP)
My entire moms side is full Scottish and my dad is fully English. Do you spend all day on 4chan letting Americans live rent free in your head or something?
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>>14903339
He tried and the Scots gave him endless shit
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>>14899169
I'm anglo and i don't care?
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>>14903593
>It's interesting how he does it. Love him (who does though?) or hate him, Biden is either craftier than his enemies have given him credit for, or he is somehow (maybe) synthesizing American politics in a weird way out of necessity just so it can hold together. He is applying a kinda neo-Keynesian policy and folded Bernie in, but he's an old white guy who's doing that quaint '50s thing like you said. He's sorta woke in a general moral sensibility but he is totally confident in his ability to speak in the same cultural vernacular as the average retiree. Like I said, very Catholic. Which he is. There's a Catholic culture that's more "quiet." He wanted to bring the temperature down.
what the fuck are you talking about
he's a senile old retard who they put up to appeal to "swing voters" (white middle class people), he probably literally has moments he doesn't know he's president.
https://youtu.be/oGW76zRKZM0 [Embed]
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>>14897332
Because my family is from Germany and didn't stop having German traditions just because they moved to America. Do you think immigrants are stripped of all their cultural baggage at the border?