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| >both are first world industrialized wealthy countries with access to all of modernity | |
| >Italy remains, somewhat, Catholic and the Church retains a strong presence in national culture and identity | |
| >Scandinavians all become almost 90% atheist, Christianity is outright mocked and rejected as "foreign" despite zealous Lutheranism having been their standard for 300 years | |
| What gives? Im genuinely fascinated by this social phenomenon. Why don't Italians reject Christianity as being an inherent aspect of their culture, but northern Euros outright dislike what was the faith of their great grandparents? | |
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| protestantism developed a culture of challenging existing religion, catholicism didn't | |
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| >>14901694 (OP) | |
| christianity is completely dead in italy | |
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| >>14901694 (OP) | |
| >>14901728 | |
| Christianity is only in the south. The average northern Italian is either prot or atheist but the southern Italian attends church service at least 13 times per day | |
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| Religiousness seems to spiral the wealthier and more educated you are. | |
| Big exceptions in my mind are the mormons | |
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| >>14901694 (OP) | |
| to be fair anon the pope literally lives in their peninsula. There are towns with 3000 people in Italy with fuck huge cathedrals. It's hard to not be aware of the catholic church in these circumstances. Meanwhile what actual presence has Lutheranism had since the 1600s? Fucking nothing. | |
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| >>14901694 (OP) | |
| It's because Lutheranism was a German sect whereas the Catholic Church is universal. Lutheranism is inherently pro-Germany, the Church is pro-Christ. Protestantism is only a few hundred years old, it played no major role in the history of Nords. Italy was one Roman under the Roman Church. | |
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| >>14901741 | |
| >The average northern Italian is either prot or atheist | |
| Never heard of Protestant Lombards. | |
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| >>14901773 | |
| Probably don't exist but if they do it's someone in alto adyge or the Aosta valley. | |
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| >>14901771 | |
| >, it played no major role in the history of Nords | |
| Literally all of modern Scandinavian History until like 1950 occured when they were Lutheran. | |
| It's also not really a big jump from Germany to Scandinavia lol, the languages are very VERY easy to learn for each other and most Swedish kings spoke German fluently | |
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| Because Catholicism is the true church and protestantism is a heresy | |
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| >>14901694 (OP) | |
| think it has more to do with the fact the catholic churches main HQ is in Italy ever since it was officially founded | |
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| >>14901959 | |
| >modern | |
| >history | |
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| >>14901741 | |
| christianity is completely dead in south italy | |
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| >>14902006 | |
| The bottom looks more noble | |
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| >>14901694 (OP) | |
| Italy is sort of favela thuggish culturally + the Vatican is literrally inside. Compare with spain instead and you notice more or less the same pattern. Spaniards are atheists if not militant anti-christians nowadays. Particullary women. | |
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| >>14901694 (OP) | |
| They had reasons | |
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| >>14901987 | |
| You do know that "modern era" generally refers to the 1600s onwards, right | |
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| >>14901694 (OP) | |
| Because Christianity in Northern Europe is just an instrument of the state for cultural control. From the early 1900s on there was a period of transition in which Lutheranism was replaced by some vague form of liberal progressivism that was later supplemented by multiculturalism, but Scandinavians remain as obedient and robodic as ever, which is particularly clear in the case of Sweden at least until recently. | |
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| >>14903673 | |
| They were cool when they did eugenics. | |