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What would her route look like?
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lots of jackhammering
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>>251317897
And glomping
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>>251317713 (OP)
Maid threesome, more sea creatures metaphors.
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>>251317713 (OP)
Chachamaru. Romancing evil heroine.
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>>251317713 (OP)
It would include at least one femdom cowgirl loli sex scene with extremely awkward Nasu narration.
>>251318616
I'm still mad.
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>>251318663
Don't worry. We'll get our dedicated evil heroine route soon enough. And it'll be KINO.
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>>251317713 (OP)
Lots of loving, hand holding sex
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>>251317713 (OP)
nonstop infinite climax
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>>251317713 (OP)
sex with Illya!!
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>>251317713 (OP)
Lots of love-making
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Thinking about it I'm surprised Kotomine was so blasé about Illya, even helping to save her in HF, considering she's technically Kiritsugu's daughter and not just a cup. Wouldn't he get off on corrupting her?
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>>251318663
What do we now about this sex scene? All I've seen is that sketch of Ilya in lingerie(pls some one post it).
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>>251317713 (OP)
I'm still hoping for it to be real
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>>251317713 (OP)
Lots of bad ends with Shirou having his limbs ripped off and being used as a plushie.
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>>251317713 (OP)
*kills you*
there
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>>251322899
Illya’s already corrupted by her shit family. There’s nothing more to ruin, and being a homobaby means she won’t live long anyway.
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>>251317713 (OP)
>What would her route look like
Lots and lots of nakadashi!
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>>251322899
Kotominei is a Christian and doesn't want to associate with heretics like Illya unless he absolutely has to. Its why he kidnaps her in Fate but saves her in HF- to help birth AM in the former and to help AM and destroy Shirou in the latter scenario.
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>>251325499
God bless deen for including this scene.
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>>251317713 (OP)
Real answer: It would be like a mix of Heaven's Feel minus the Sakura romance and Vow in the Snow, with OG Illya captured by Dark Sakura and Shirou trying to rescue her.
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>>251326695
But where is the sex?
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>>251326745
Intermixed throughout. I thought that went without saying.
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>>251326770
Understandable. Very nice then
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>Ufotable announce a Fate remake
>Nasu announces FSN remake to coincide
>Surprise Illya route
>Steals muh true ending from wormfags as the final route
>It's a non-sexual platonic sibling relationship between the two with Illya having a long life guaranteed while Shirou is set on the route towards El Melloi adventures and Avalon
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>>251327225
>Somehow Shirou gets into England with Illya in her ending
>Nu Hollow Ataraxia event shows he ends up with fate verse Akiha.
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>>251327225
Platonic sleeping route between an older sister and younger brother.
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>>251317713 (OP)
A lot of sex
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>>251327225
>Steals muh true ending from wormfags as the final route
>Implying that wormfags wouldn’t call the route a fanfic and ignore it like the Last Episode in order to indulge in their delusional canon ending
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>>251329512
I see more delusions from you about how wormfags would act then any wormfags acting how you say they would
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>>251329563
Did I touch a nerve wormfag-kun?
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>>251327225
Anon, winter comes before spring.
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>>251327225
>Ufotable announce a Fate remake
kek
saberfags still cling to this shit, how sad
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>>251327225
This + Tin man adventure
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>>251322899
He already experimented with white haired women and found them lacking, Not suitable for a good rivalry like a real man.
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why isn't there one?
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>>251331710
>why isn't there one?

Originally there was plan to release FSN in way how Nasu is releasing Tsukihime remake now. With first part being named Fate/Stay Night and contain only Fate and UBW routes. And later would come second part named Fate/Other Night and contain Sakura Route and Illya Route.

Fate/side material
https://www.tmdict.com/en/#?nav=ja&src=fate-side-material

>Rejected Routes

Exactly what it sounds like. Route ideas that didn’t make the cut.
In the beginning, the plan was for Fate/stay night to have four different routes, one for each heroine.
It would start off by letting the player arbitrarily choose between playing as either Shirou or Rin. Then around the middle of the story they would finally meet, and after that you would branch off into one of the four routes for the last half of the game. Yeah, I don’t really understand how it was going to work either.
Anyway, getting back to the rejected routes, it goes without saying that the Illya route tops the list.
Besides that, there was also the “Rider route where you fight against Rin and Saber,” and the “Caster route where Caster gets turned into a loli and becomes your partner.”
While all traces of the Caster route were completely erased, the development where you teamed up with Rider was actually folded into part of the final story.
If the Illya route had made it into the game, the diversion point probably would have been on the ninth day of the Sakura route. Instead of choosing between being a superhero and choosing Sakura, there would be a third choice where you could choose Illya.
But unfortunately, as it stands that choice doesn’t exist.

>UBW

The title of the Rin route. During the plotting stage, it was also the subtitle of Fate/stay night itself.
The name showed up in the “upcoming works” section of the pamphlets we distributed at the 2001 Winter Comiket, but I wonder how many people in Japan actually noticed it?
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>>251317713 (OP)
well, we can guess a bit from elements from HF that were incorporated from her canceled route, I think her rescue definitely was a thing from her route, as well as her sacrificing herself for Shirou (maybe we would have gotten a good ending where she lives). All in all it would have been much better than what we got
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>>251329171
Why was Shirou such a pedo in Hollow Ataraxia anyway? In Stay Night he always treats his relationship with Illya as purely platonic, but in HA he's perving on her all the time.
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>>251317713 (OP)
Shirou giving up his ideals for his cute sadistic loli imouto/nee-san, instead of doing that for a certain thot that likes to have sex with her brother
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>>251333365
Illya is 18, technically she is the pedo
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>>251317713 (OP)
We know that the existing HF route incorporated the Illya route, so basically decisions that give you Illya points throughout would functionally have served as the basis for the route. I’d suggest you can use that to visualise the general path. It would likely have had two ends, one where she lives (a bit like the Fate route end) and one where she has the Dress of Heaven and does what she does in HF.

Personally I’d have rather seen the “Illya route” than the HF route we got given how central she is to the history of the Fuyuki HGWs, but it’s a bit late for that.
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>>251333700
>Personally I’d have rather seen the “Illya route” than the HF route we got given how central she is to the history of the Fuyuki HGWs, but it’s a bit late for that.

Nasu mentioned in several interviews that he still has the drafts for Satsuki's route and Illya's route
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>>251333995
>>251333700
In fact, considering that Satsuki is finally getting her route, there may be hope for Illya.
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>>251333700
>>251334011
Well, original plan way two-part release. With only first part being named Fate/Stay Night. This part was supposed to include only Saber and Rin route. And essentially being "Near side" of Fate story. Second part had be released later under title "Fate/Other Night" and was supposed to include Sakura's and Illya's routes. At first Nasu wanted to make two separate VNs since Saber + Illya + Sakura + Rin routes would be too huge

During production, however, writing of Sakura route lasted much longer than originally expected. And overall delay caused the production team to realize that 2-part release would be too expensive for them. So it was eventually decided that everything would be released in single game. Illya route was canceled and it's primal plot points were integrated into Sakura's route, which gave birth to HF route as we know it today. The Illya route plot points were integrated into HF, FHA and FZ. Nasu confirmed that Irisviel's/Illya's small bird familiars were from the draft of Illya's route 

>Q: For the battle scene between Rin and Ilya in the anime, did Ilya just get way stronger?! Was her strength based on 「Fate/Zero」? <UMA>

>Nasu: If it's at the land that houses the Holy Grail, then Ilya is indeed that strong. And being able to make a familiar from her hair was in the original draft. The work this time around was especially hard, so I ended up using an "Iri's replacement" approach. By the way, the name of the technique is Elfen Lied [German for Elves' Song, 天使の詩 - Angel's Poem]. The bird's name is Storch Fieseler [German term for a type of plane]. The Ibis that shoots bullets is Zahre (tear), and she can also transform them into an Épée (a sword).

>Takeuchi: Woah, that's the first I heard of that.

>Nasu: Yea, and it all sounded rather neat when I submitted it. Director Miura can create good results as long as I force everything upon him. Kinoko, remember this.
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>>251333365
Because Shirou in Hollow Ataraxia is Avenger, so it's Angra Mainyu who has a penchant for oneesans that look like imoutos.
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>>251322602
>cute imouto
>lovely voice
>has fat thighs
Shirou is a lucky bastard
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Will Illya ever get to score with her onii-chan in any timeline?
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>>251317713 (OP)
If Archer's lines to Illya in Fate route and the fact Emiya in fgo simps for both Sitonai and Prisma's Illya in events are to be taken seriously together Illya was his route.
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>>251317713 (OP)
Bloodier defloration than Rin. And more of Illya riding the cock.
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>>251317713 (OP)
Hopefully Sakura or Rin being the one that dies or have It end with Rin and Sakura alive. Maybe have Saber realize who Illya Is far earlier and explain why Kiritsugu destroyed the grail since she has memories from back then for some reason. Also we would need Herc to be the mvp servant, possibly have him break through the madness with sheer willpower
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>>251333423
This.
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>>251338549
probably not
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>>251340780
uso...
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>>251335769
Is this a mod, or does the textbox change to this sometimes?
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>>251317713 (OP)
>What would her route look like?
Very fulfilling.
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>>251317713 (OP)
It would be my dream...
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>>251333365
Reminder that HA feels a bit disjointed because it had a bunch of different writers writing different scenes, kind of like F/GO. So everyone's interpretation of characters can feel a bit different.
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>>251338918
>simp for Illya
>eternal punishment
Archer no!
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>>251335769
I would see it if Avenger's personality didn't only come out in really obvious ways like in the Caren scenes. If it really was meant to be Avenger, then Shirou would be more rapist than pervert
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>>251343481
Is there any record of which writer wrote what scenes? I'd be interested to see how the breakdown looks.
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>>251335769
I want to slip my arms inside Bazette's suit jacket and hug her fiercely.
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>>251322899
Neither party wants to have anything to do with the other and neither party did anything offensive enough to warrant forceful retaliation. You also can't just waltz into the Einzbern castle because they have an attack on sight policy for uninvited strangers.
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>>251344841
I remember an anon saying that the football scene and the rightfully beloved café scene with Taiga and Kuzuki was done by this friend of Nasu's who's also a fellow VN writer. But I can't remember what he wrote. He may also have written the pier scene about Saber's past.
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>>251345271
>I remember an anon saying that the football scene and the rightfully beloved café scene with Taiga and Kuzuki was done by this friend of Nasu's who's also a fellow VN writer. But I can't remember what he wrote. He may also have written the pier scene about Saber's past.

Didn't Nasu ask Urobuchi to write a short scene for FHA that turned into Zero?
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>>251331887
>Rider route where you fight against Rin and Saber
The suggestion you would have to fight true Saber rather than Salter sounds pretty tough but anything with Rider is alright in my book (I assume this means Shiro summons her rather than Sakura?) The real issue would be Shiro not being killed repeatedly by everyone without Saber’s/Excalibur’s regeneration ability
>Caster route where Caster gets turned into a loli and becomes your partner
Best girl becomes loli wine waifu, what more could anyone possibly want?
 Her actually summoning the Third Magician and taking on AM of course. And drunken lolisex
 I can’t find a SFW pic of Medea Lily rn so please use your imagination anons
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>>251345343
No, I can't remember any scenes in HA that even implied anything about Zero coming next.
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>>251343488
It's too late, don't worry It was worth it for him
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>>251345348
>>251331887
Otherwise good posts but hag Medea > loli Medea
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>>251331887
>no loli caster route 
he wrote 5 routes for Tsukihime, but why can't it be the same for fate?
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>>251344841
I know Meteo did the swimsuit Illya and Assassin/that shy student girl scenes
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One day her route will come
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>>251347879
Who?
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>>251349913
Fsn scrapped shielder
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>>251347879
>>251350226
You have my attention anon, tell me more
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>>251347879
>>251350226
Never gonna happen.
She got recycled into Mashu.
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>>251351174
>The Stray Servant who was one of the original heroine candidates for the visual novel and would eventually be reworked into Mash was first briefly mooted as a route heroine during initial production (though quickly scrapped as there was no way there'd be time for her). Described as an "abandoned puppy-type heroine", she was going to be a Servant from the Fourth Holy Grail War who killed her Master and survived until the Fifth, like Gilgamesh. As a Shielder, she was also going to be Saber's rival. With the DEEN anime, Nasu has claimed there to be two planned concepts to bring her back into the story
>In 2005, during initial planning, he had planned for her to replace Assassin as the gatekeeper to Ryuudou Temple. In this scenario, Saber would've had to overcome the mental block of fighting someone she knew in her past life
>In 2006, it was subsequently reworked to have a girl named Tachie who died in the Fuyuki Fire at the end of the Fourth War, but was revived by a necromancer for the Fifth and used as a vessel for Galahad as the necromancer's Servant. She would have held a grudge against Shirou because she felt like he abandoned her while she was calling for help in the fire, but would have ended up coming to terms with her death and his survival, and died again saving Shirou.
>>251351450
You're in a series where there's like 30 saber/Rins running around and you're saying a second shielder is impossible?
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>>251352030
Does sound pretty interesting desu. The whole death/resurrection shtick does sound like it was reworked into Bazett/Avenger's plotline in HA,
Any word on who her master was supposed to be? Someone we know or an original character? Personally I'd think she'd suit picrel if there could be an excuse to get her involved in Heaven's Feel V proper. But then the tension between her and Kirei would probably dominate the plot
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>>251353133
Belated picrel because I'm too stupid to attach things properly
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>>251353133
>Any word on who her master was supposed to be? Someone we know or an original character?
Original
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>>251352030
Damn her scenario has all the threads to make us go NASUUU. How can a man be so based?
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>>251322602
this is what they took from you
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>>251325499
Ha ha, It's not like all those bad ends would turn me on or anything
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>>251338918
I think they confirmed it was actually Fate route Shirou that became Archer, but Illya route does make sense. He never found a way to save her (either she sacrificed herself like HF or her body broke down after the war like she told us would happen) so he became extra obsessed with saving everyone.
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>>251317713 (OP)
Dogshit. Like every other route
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>>251357142
Curious, would the Clock Tower be aware of a way to save Illya? Or would they just kill her on the spot for being half human?
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Don't forget what they took from you
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>>251338918
>couldn't save saber
>couldn't save illya
Redman was made for suffering since he was Shirou
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>>251357871
Qrd?
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>>251358385
sex scene with the maids I think
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>>251358115
Yeah, it makes sense why he would rather Shirou just kill himself
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>>251357142
Whenever Nasu says something happens on the "Sacchin route timeline" or the "Illya route timeline", it's just shorthand for "some route that doesn't exist". He's used "Taiga route" a few times, too.
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>>251331887
It's worth noting that the reason the Caster and Rider routes were tossed around was because Sakura didn't exist as a character at that point. She was a pretty late addition to the cast.
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>>251359877
I remember reading that she was made as a new heroine to complement Shirou's character, whereas Saber and Rin were more like carryovers from the original prototype.
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>>251342202
It's that specific scene where the style changes.
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>>251358459
Thats just silly, who would want to jackhammer two or three Homunculii simultaneously?
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>>251360893
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>no disgustingly hot femdom cowgirl dex scene 
>no H-scenes featuring Shirou talking to another character while Illya blows him behind cover
>no moment when every female cast member finds out about what's been going on and calls Shirou a pedophile
>no joke bad end where Shirou dies of ejaculation-induced dehydration 
We were robbed.
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>>251361730
God that would have all been based. Granted, can you really see Sakura vocally judging Shirou? Rin and Taiga would fucking destroy him though. Saber too most likely.
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>>251362195
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>>251317713 (OP)
Kiri kino
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>>251362245
Heh
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>>251361730
>>no moment when every female cast member finds out about what's been going on
How would Shirou even defend himself other than Illya saying she's 18?
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>>251358115
>know about Sakura’s suffering
>doesn’t give a shit
Kek
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>>251363586
Redman was the thinkingman Shirou
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>>251364211
true, he was the one who got himself killed so his younger can get a threesome in the woods
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>>251363586
based archer
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>>251363586
>so what if she's full of worms? Call pest control
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Most of what would have gone into the Illya route was already folded into Heaven's Feel so there wouldn't be a point.
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>>251364812
But Illya cunny
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>>251364505
>threesome in the woods
Anon, no. Those woods were not a threesome.
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>>251359542
>Whenever Nasu says something happens on the "Sacchin route timeline" or the "Illya route timeline", it's just shorthand for "some route that doesn't exist"
So who will take Sacchin spot now? Arach?
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>>251365107
Anon she's getting a full length route and a happy ending.
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Its kind of ridiculous that despite baiting hard in his vns, Nasu never explored a proper polygamous relationship between the protag and some of the heroines. I can see Saber/Rin/Shirou and Salter/Medusa/Sakura/Shirou from Fate and Shiki/Akiha/Maids in Tsukihime. I feel he can make a compelling story out of such an arrangement. ArcxcielxShiki doesn't count.
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>>251363586
Reminder 
Q: In the Fifth Holy Grail War that Archer was retracing, were the inner dealings of the Matou clan or Sakura’s circumstances known? If he had known, how did Sakura look through Archer’s eyes in this particular Holy Grail War? <Black Pawn>

Nasu: That Archer only has “memories of Saber” when it concerns the Holy Grail War. When he was summoned, seeing his summoned before him, he started to acknowledge things around Rin as “his own things.” The inner dealings of the Matou clan is something he didn’t know before turning into a Servant, and Sakura’s current circumstances were something he deduced after being summoned for the Holy Grail War. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that he would assist Sakura. Archer is Archer. It’s not the guy.
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>>251367441
This is why Lancer>Archer. Unless restrained by a CS Cu would at least try to save the girl, or give her a quick death. Hell, Kirei hates Zouken enough to do the decent thing for once.
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>>251367182
> Nasu never explored a proper polygamous relationship between the protag and some of the heroines
VN's weren't designed around polygamous relationships back when Nasu wrote them. By the time he was skilled enough as a writer he had stopped writing VNs. Also I feel like the Ciel good end fits the bill of polygamous relationship, even if its short.
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>>251317713 (OP)
I want to fuck her so bad and inseminate her homunculus loli cunt
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>19+ years
>no mod of Fate Stay Night VN to include Ilya route
what the fuck
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>>251368553
Too much respect for Type Moon. Closest we get is Prisma which started taking itself seriously until Illya and Gil were the only ones alive
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>Ber-ser-ker
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>>251369233
Then why does berserker go berserk?
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Shirou and Ciel route when?
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>>251367441
When reading the VN for the first time I already knew who Archer was and that he was popular, but I was surprised by how big of an asshole he is. With how much people seem to like him, I expected him to be nicer.
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>>251370254
Archer is just a Shirou who express his thoughts clearly to everyone
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>>251370254
hot people can get away with everything really
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>>251360893
I volunteer on behalf of all anons
If I die tell Illya it was doing  someone  that I love
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>>251357142
Archer happens in an alternate Fate route yes.
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>>251370291
There is quite a bit of strange dialogue like that in F/SN. Shirou's relationships with and throughts about women are an aspect of him that can be very weird at times. I'm not too sure how much is intentional Shirou being weird and how much is just Nasu being weird about women.
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>>251367441
Based Archer.
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>>251370762
"He who tells the truth will be abhorred in a world of lies"
Srsly what do you want, a feminist harem protagonist in a hentai VN?
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>>251370762
probably Nasu's weird sense of humor, I remember kokutou the most harmless guy in Nasuverse joked about assaulting Fujino when she stayed in his room because "he's a guy haha"
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>>251370858
I don't really care, I just find it weird. Take
>For a girl, going outside at nine o'clock is like midnight. But she still said it's early... Is Tohsaka not self-conscious that she's a girl?
Is going outside at nine o'clock in the evening really that strange in Japan for a 17 year old? Japan's crime statistic is better than my own country and I don't think anyone would bat an eye at that. Likewise, the wording of "self-conscious that she's a girl?" is just plain weird.

>>251370899
Could be, but if it is, it's humour that's beyond me.
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>>251370762
From what I gather it's just an amalgamation of the translation and intentional oddness that's meant to have been a result of being raised by Kiritsugu.
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>>251371231
It's more of an asian thing.
It's not lady-like for a girl to go out at night.
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>>251317713 (OP)
We will get her route with AI 
>AI voice sampling that can read any line perfectly in Illya's voice
>AI story writing trained on all of Nasu's stories and sex scenes
>AI generated art that blows all of his past works out of the water
It is inevitable and it will be kino.
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>>251370899
Kokutou strikes me as the kind of guy who's either extremely submissive or extremely dominant to the point of putting Shiki to shame.
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>>251331887
If i remember correctly, shirou was originally supposed to be a female and all the servants male like a reverse harem but the editor forced a change and king arthur or saber became female
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>>251317713 (OP)
just sex
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>>251362195
Illya could just beat the shit out of all of them besides Saber for judging him.
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>>251317713 (OP)
Sex, copulation, mana transfer and more sex.
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>>251317713 (OP)
what HF should have been
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>>251374855
But...It's completely with Shirou's consent, right?
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>>251327225
>platonic
Fucking shit.
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>>251318616
Why does Muramasa not have a VN despite being the peak of visual novels?
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>>251374855
>proceeds to tell illya he was just planning a dinner date with sakura in the castle
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>>251376487
Muramasa is too good to adapt
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>>251317713 (OP)
>Almost 20 year anniversary
>Nasu still doesn't show what happen to Illya in Fate route
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>>251378967
It would make an excellent shitposting trainwreck of an anime that would destroy the board. Think something like Franxxx or Code Geass.
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>>251327225
Could be worse, ill take anything at this point.
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How come OG Illya x Shirou doujins are so rare?
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>>251380492
They're rare not because they don't exist but because scans were far more uncommon in the early 2000s
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>>251379251
Didn't she live with Shirou until she died?
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>>251382885
How long did Illya live though? You would think Shirou or the other girls would try to find a way to increase her lifespan
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>>251317713 (OP)
Abandoned and disgusting.
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>>251384731
Illya went into the grail war thinking she'd die becoming the Holy Grail, I think she was content with the time she had left at that point.
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>>251377881
It says a lot about Illya's character development that she didn't immediately kill him when he did that.
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>>251317713 (OP)
Cute and funny
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In my mind, an OG Illya sex scene would start out with her acting all yandere and trying to dominate Shirou, but afterwards she would just cuddle him a lot.
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>>251326695
that sounds really cool