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I just finished watching Ep 56 and since I'm about halfway done, I figured I'd give my take on the series since even though it's been discussed in verbatim, people never actually talk about what the show is about besides memes and seem to gloss over the political commentary, which happens to make references to Marx and Che Guevara on occassion (i.e. capitalism/communism and guerrilla warfare). Machiavellianism also gets brought up a lot between Oberstein, Reinhard, and Rupert Kesselring, so there's that, too.

What intrigued me the most about the show is that nobody recognized that the first season was a civil war on both fronts and sides of the war between the FPA and the Galactic Empire, in addition to the fact that it was about separating the wheat from the chaff with the Goldenbaum Dynasty and the coup d'etat from Arthur Lynch.

By around the second season, though, it seemed to have a lot of unwarranted buildup toward the battle of Vermilion (52-54), and was really more a skirmish toward getting Yang Wenli out of Iserlohn rather than it was confronting him head on by way of Reinhard and his fleets.

Speaking of fleets, I think a lot of people sleep on Ulrich Kessler and Neinhardt Muller and overrate Bittenfeld, despite the fact that he hasn't accomplished much in the show. Nobody on /a/ or /m/ seems to mention the early signs in Reuenthal's potential betrayal either (check Ep 53 about him doubting if he should rescue Reinhard).

Aside from all that, if you wanted someone to watch the series, you could basically start with 56, 40, the movies, 25+26, and 51-54 and you wouldn't be missing out much.

As far as OPs and EDs go, for me, it's:

OP: 3>2>1
ED: 2>1>3

ED 3 sounds too much like a sitcom. Kinda like Full House.

What do you guys think of the show? What else should I be expecting when watching S3?
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>>251366285 (OP)
Posting more images this time that people don't get to see when discussing the show.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>>251366336
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>>251366577
Can we put the “logh has no visual flair” meme to rest?
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>>251366709
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>>251366285 (OP)
>Bittenfeld
You aren't deep enough in the series to have seen most of his character beats. Either his peak buffoonery or peak success. 
People like him because he's funny. 
>start with 56
Yeah no.
You miss too much of what the show is actually about, which is a Chinese classic where the General that's loyal to the court despite its many abuses goes up against his foil, the self proclaimed Emperor. 
Despite what Yang likes to lecture his people on it's not really about systems or poliics. It's about the "Galactic Heroes".
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>>251367070
>You miss too much of what the show is actually about, which is a Chinese classic where the General that's loyal to the court despite its many abuses goes up against his foil, the self proclaimed Emperor.
Reminds me that I should read Ravages of Time and read/watch Three Kingdoms.
Arlsan Senki, which is also made by Tanaka, is a good anime, but the 1991 OVA is by far the superior choice.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>I think a lot of people sleep on Ulrich Kessler and Neinhardt Muller and overrate Bittenfeld,
Muller was pretty unexceptional as Kempf's second and lucky to get out of that ordeal alive. Then after Vermillion he gets wanked up as though he were the best 3rd best admiral and gets the best flagship in the Empire. Kessler mostly gets put on MP duty and has no big feats in fleet combat? Early series Bittenfeld is pretty sub par amd gets reprimanded at lot for it. End of series Bittenfeld probably has more veterans in his ranks than most other admirals and one easily the highest kill counts of known and named characters.
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>>251367180
That said you haven't seen the depths of Bittenfeld's failures yet either. 
You get good foreshadowing about him early on when Reinhard reinstates him saying something like 'I have you on my staff because of what you are and you failed in line with who you are so I don't blame you for this one'. Bittenfeld is doggedly Bittenfeld until the very end for better and for worse.
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>>251366285 (OP)
Why would I want to talk about something that requires ract, nuance, and a basic understanding of political theory with the cum addicted intentionally oboxious dregs of the dregs of the anime community that aggregate here on /a/?
You save that good shit for your IRL friends
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>kissanime
opinion discarded, in this house we download
fuck julian worst character
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>>251366285 (OP)
>which happens to make references to Marx and Che Guevara on occassion
You sure you watch it? There is not a single mention of communism at all...
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>>251367754
I mean if they liked Logh. That’s already a filter that keeps out the lowest of the low but the again I feel like Logh has universal appeal
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>>251367841
Well, I mean 56 makes similar references to it with the embezzlement of the military and the Bloody Night incident being akin to Tet and the Cuban revolution (Dougram is also similar to how it covers this).
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>>251367811
>fuck julian worst character
Are you sure that's not:
>Falk
>Flegel
>Job Trunicht
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>>251368027
those are bad people, julian is a bad character
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>>251368027
Those characters are some of my favorites. Yes, they're traitors and retards, but they make for some of the best stories and drama.
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>>251366285 (OP)
My friend finally got me to watch all of this last year and damned it it wasn't great. I was reading War & Peace at the time and being able to see the the work against something else know for being sweeping in scale and precise in detail really highlighted the total scope of the show. 
Lately I've been chipping away at The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire and I refuse to believe that there wasn't at least some direct inspiration drawn from it.
If nothing else, I'll always love it for making fully realize that the ONLY reason I'm not an open fascist is because the benevolent will always die.
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>>251368297
Now that you point it out, you aren't wrong. He kind of exist to be moved through the plot and to serve as a stand in for the audience regarding a lot of context info.
And since he isn't built up that much, when he does take the spotlight it feels...off
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>>251366285 (OP)
for me it's the perceval
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>>251367639
>Bittenfeld is doggedly Bittenfeld until the very end for better and for worse.
And that's what makes him so enjoyable
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>>251368027
>Turnicht
"What is the point of conquering the whole of the galaxy if we STILL must meet with people like HIM?!?"

One of three time I've actually cheered when a character was killed.
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>>251368731
Very much so.
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>>251366709
>“logh has no visual flair”
no one said logh has no visual flair, it has it in spades. What it lacks is animation. I think there's more fluid motion in cromartie high than logh.
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>>251366285 (OP)
Out of curiosity: why do you think people overrated Bittenfield? He's not a perfect tactician, sure, but he only has one job on the battlefield and he's exceptional at it. 

>As far as OPs and EDs go, for me, it's:
>ED 3 sounds too much like a sitcom. Kinda like Full House.
ED3 is my favorite because it reminds me of the good times. I wonder if your perspective will change on this ED as you get closer to the finishing line. 

>What do you guys think of the show?
It's one of my favorite shows to occasionally rewatch, though I tend to favor the FPA episodes over the Empire ones.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>ED 3 sounds too much like a sitcom. Kinda like Full House.
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>Fezzanese are space Jews
>Fezzan is the only real winner when all is said and done

What did they mean by this?
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>>251369218
I think Bittenfeld is overrated just for his character and personality. Doesn't leave me with a lasting impression compared to the twin pillars Mittermeyer or Reuenthal, Oberstein, Eisenach, or the artsy admiral Mecklinger.
>ED3 is my favorite because it reminds me of the good times. I wonder if your perspective will change on this ED as you get closer to the finishing line.
It probably will. But ED 2 is my favorite because it encompasses so much personal growth and sticks to the somber tone of the show.
https://youtu.be/DJQjU7GKFAM [Embed]
>>251369281
https://youtu.be/uWD4_nZsh4U [Embed]
https://youtu.be/HeUcbV7jVpY [Embed]
https://youtu.be/d-OrHsG-03I [Embed]
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>>251368027
Trunicht was fun to watch, I wish we saw a little bit of him weaselling his way through the Empire.
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>>251369663
>lasting impression
>Eisenach
>Mecklinger

What on earth do you mean? Those two were all but throw away charecters.
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>>251366285 (OP)
ED 3 is the singer's personal favorite ED and one of his favorite song's he's written in general. 
The NHK did Kei Ogura's lifetime achievement tribute hour they occasionally do, where they bring in a bunch of famous in their own right performers to cover the man of the hour's songs and say nice things about him in between sets. The event always ends with the honoree singing just one song himself to sign off. He chose to sing Song of Farewell, which is LoGH's 3rd ED.
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>>251369931
Eisenach doesn't say anything so it leaves us guessing. Mecklinger has his moustache and hair combo.
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>>251367180
It’s literally the story of Yi sun sin
Yang is pretty much him
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>>251370048
I would call that an identifiable characteristic more than a lasting impression. Hell, I literally had to Google Eisenach because I forgot who he was.
Other then the "2 cups of coffee" bit and saying "check" once he contributes as much to the show as he does to a conversation.
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>>251370229
>Other then the "2 cups of coffee"
I agree he's pretty much a non-Character but this bit of characterization is really good. Tells you all you need to know about Eisenach, whatever his eccentricity is he isn't silent because he's an asshole. That's all you really need to know about him and the coffee anecdote does that really well.
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>>251370355
I can agree with that. Speaking wholistically, the show's writing/characterization is some of the best around. Taking the coffee bit for example, to me, it really sold the idea that the show itself is another form of historical documentation. 
Like how many times have you watched a documentary, or read a biography/historical account, and a guy pops up from the peripheral for an amusing anecdote then fades back into the background? 
WWII stuff is particularly rife with this, and I love it. It really helps the story to feel "alive." Like all these people were real, and present, just not necessarily relevant.
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>>251366709
>“logh has no visual flair”
People actually think this? The direction and the cinematography in the original series is wonderful especially given its age.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>nobody recognized that the first season was a civil war on both fronts and sides of the war between the FPA and the Galactic Empire
What? This gets specifically pointed out in the show itself. It's not some hidden secret that you have to figure out for yourself.
LoGH really isn't that deep. It doesn't treat its audience like morons, but it does spell things out very plainly.
>Nobody on /a/ or /m/ seems to mention the early signs in Reuenthal's potential betrayal either (check Ep 53
It goes much earlier than that, shortly after Lichtenlade gets taken out near the end of S1.
>you wouldn't be missing out much.
LoGH is more a character drama than anything else (putting the opera in space opera), and starting that late + skipping so many episodes will have you miss out on way too much.
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>>251369663
>I think Bittenfeld is overrated just for his character and personality.
By the time you finish the series you won't be saying that. He even experiences some character growth. He is over-maligned as an admiral though.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>I think a lot of people sleep on Ulrich Kessler and Neinhardt Muller
I agree that Muller is underrated (mainly because he's such a plain individual and commander, and generally specialises in defense so he's had more moments as an honourable man than an heroic one), but Kessler has diehard fans especially because of his VA and what happens near the end of the series.
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>>251366285 (OP)
Well anon here´s the rundown of elite logh threads through the years:
Reinhard was basically put on the track for kingship by the old emperor. Also Kircheis stopped him from sperging out.
Reinhard himself was nothing special. There were thousands of more talented and more mature people in the empires history who probably tried to become emperor themselves. They just never got a chance. Reinhard has the following things going for him which make him different.
>competent underlings
>babysitter Kircheis
>Oberstein having his back
>the emperor allowing him to get more powerful
>the decay of the empire
>the decay of the FPA
>not one high noble who was even passable as a politician
>a shit ton of luck

what´s interesting about logh is that it, like real history is neither
>Great man theory of history
aka, special boy makes history
but neither
>social and historical trends decide everything

there were background factors like the decay of the society and the degrading competency of the rulers, but also clear decision points of important actors(Reinhard, Yang) which could have changed everything. That´s what elevates logh above the rest.

Also if you are waiting for a critique of autists seeing themselves as ruthless Machiavellianists, you are in for a treat in season 4.
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>>251372643
>Also if you are waiting for a critique of autists seeing themselves as ruthless Machiavellianists, you are in for a treat in season 4.
Boy, I can't wait.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>sitcom
That's the entire point of ed 3
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>>251366285 (OP)
>I just finished watching Ep 56 and since I'm about halfway done, I figured I'd give my take on the series
Oh boy...
At least finish part 3 before saying anything. GinEiDen still has much more to offer.
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>>251368282
It's sad how many people don't understand the difference.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>What do you guys think of the show?
Regarding fleets, one thing that upset me is that Mittermeyer never really got a chance to show off his skill. We're told he's a top 2 admiral, but we never really see it.

The show takes a nosedive after Vermilion, with episodes 55-66 being an endless slog. It's one of the show's few weaknesses.
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>>251374849
Nosedive? Some of the greatest spans of the series are yet to come, anon.
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>>251367865
too many posers on /a/ that only repeat what other people have posted for a sense of nerd cred and elitism despite being illiterate casuals that never learned close reading skills nor care to try
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>>251374849
His fleet is like Sanic, they gotta go fast.
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https://youtu.be/MFv5oJZOvOw [Embed]
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>>251369173
>What it lacks is animation.
>ships moving in space
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For me, it's this timeless classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9cLuRVJbGY [Embed]
OP if you're still here ITT don't open the spoilers
I still cry every time, bros
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>>251377018
Nobody open this image either. You have been warned. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
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Anyone have a screemshot of reuenthal saying
>I didn't come this far in life being right all the time
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>>251374849
I remember a little lull but by the time Yang was braking out things were back chugging along.
The only real nosedive I think is in LoGH is where most people traditionally agree there is one.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>He fell for this pseudo intellectual meme anime only westoids give a shit about.
Ngmi.
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>>251366709
The second movie is one of the best looking anime films
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>>251368282
Well put, a lot of the Julian episodes were:
>I'm a fighter pilot now (I'm super good at it btw)
>I'm a spy now
>I'm a marine now
>I'm a brilliant admiral now
and he was never really bad enough at any of these things for it to be believable, even Reinhard and Yang had moments where they made huge mistakes as admirals alone.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>seem to gloss over the political commentary
Because it's trite.
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>>251372643
>aka, special boy makes history
Except they say Reinhard is that boy several times.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that the characters themselves subscribe to that idea in-universe.
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>>251378709
the worst part is
>I'm the leader of the Iserlohn Republic now
I thought they were going for a puppet angle, the yang gang using his face and status as yang's son as an image while they ruled as a sort of shadow council
but no, Julian just starts calling shots and coming up with brilliant political and military plans because he's the wunderkind that can do no wrong.
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>>251378709
>I'm a fighter pilot now (I'm super good at it btw)
All he did was get lucky though.
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>>251378709
>even Reinhard and Yang had moments where they made huge mistakes as admirals alone.
I can recall for Reinhard but I can't for Yang, like when?
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>>251377109
Pic related anon said it best.
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>>251378922
Yang is actually supposed to be the great man from great man theory who comes only once a thousand years, unlike Reinhard who is just a once in a couple of decades type deal and just got lucky/had the right set of talents for the job.
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What I don't understand about Bittenfeld is how he apparently got off easily for basically getting another high ranking officer (Fahrenheit) killed thanks to his own stupidity

If bittenfeld had gotten Kircheis killed, he definitely gets a much harsher treatment
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>>251378921
It can seem that way in the OVA if you're giving him the benefit of the doubt, but the novel makes it very clear that it wasn't luck, he's just that good. Going so far as to say that if all of the trainees were on Julian's level, then Dusty wouldn't have to worry about the Imperials showing up.

Then there's this this shit here, >>251378874, on top of all the other times we had brilliant veterans with years (and sometimes decades) of experience pointing out how amazingly awesome Julian is for his grasp of tactics and strategy.
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>>251378797
Seems more like another method to ground the show in realism. Think about how many political/military leaders think/say/have had this said about them, but when things are boiled down it's another case of "you were the correct product of circumstances at the correct time."
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>>251378943
We will know he has returned when Julian's infant son reaches his arm out towards a bottle of wine.
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>>251379036
Fahrenheit was a stupid little bitch is why
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>>251379067
Kek
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>>251379084
Shit taste, go throw yourself in front of a train.
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>>251379067
heh
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>>251379122
Eat shit Imp lover
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>>251379036
Well spoiler because of the OP is halfway done but The second corridor battle proves Bittenfeld wasn't the fuckup, Fahrenheit was
Eisenach executed the maneuver that Fahrenheit hesitated and failed at and Bittenfeld essentially broke the back of the Iserlohn fleet when his flank was secured by his support
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>>251379010
That doesn't really seem accurate. At a mechanical level he really didn't do anything different from Reinhard. 
Both inharted a system and set of circumstances. Both had the correct mix of luck and skill to navigate said conditions in a way better then those around them. 
What did he do that made him "more the great man" then Reinhardt?
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>>251378874
anyone else fucking love the Iserlohn republic and hate how short-lived it was?
A hermit state confined to a battlestation, hosting the last vestiges of democracy while in truth ruled by a military council who nonetheless are true believers in their cause... it's kino. The Julian deal should've kept Iserlohn and attempted to keep it as an independent state with normal relations with the empire instead of trading it for a promise of a constitution he can't even make official proposals for.
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>>251379130
>Imp lover
>FPA lover
All the real ones love Fezzan
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>>251379244
>republic 
The word you're looking for is Junta.
The Iserlohn Jaunta.
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>>251379259
What if I just hate and don't love anyone?
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>>251379194
Yang was the solo clutch hard carry. Over half of the supporting cast on the FPA side aren't battle commanders but shit like fighter pilots, marines, logisticians and politicians with Yang doing most of the strategy and tactics legwork.
Reinhard was more of a political genius with an eye for talent. Most of the imp side supporting characters are admirals and the military side of things was more of a team effort for them. Reinhard was still probably the best admiral on his side but he's not THAT good. 
Reinhard also started much higher in his society and had the emperor gunning for him, along with a good deal of right place right time. Yang went from merchant's son to giga nigga through the conventional rank-climbing mechanism and just being that fucking good.
Which is why Yang failed and Reinhard succeeded. LoGH doesn't believe in great man theory.
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>>251374849
Might want to rewatch the whole Rontemario conflict, buddy.
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>>251379413
then you're inhumane and should exile yourself so you and humanity don't bother each other
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>>251379725
Way ahead of you
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>>251366285 (OP)
>What do you guys think of the show?
LoGH is the LoTR of anime/sci-fi, it is everything that Star Wars and Star Trek wished they were.
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>>251374849
Mittermeyer basically won Reinhard the war
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>>251379447
I slightly disagree with your word usage calling Yang a clutch solo carry. Yang's more like the clutch utility support. He's not the one with overwhelming power and half a galaxy's worth of ships at his beck and call, he's the tricky guy who is capable of holding down the fort with little farm or even ganking somebody when they're not paying attention. Reinhard would be the first pos right-click DPS with a bunch of steroids and a ton of farm fucking shit up at will, and Yang is the guy who has to press 100 buttons a minute just to get by but everybody can recognise that Yang is somebody to be feared even if at the surface level the numbers say he's not a threat.

But that doesn't mean Reinhard's a no-skill scrub. I don't know why people are downplaying Reinhard's abilities so hard here. Reinhard definitely had a lot of luck and other factors helping him get to the top but Yang didn't think Reinhard was weak or dumb or "just lucky". He was the only one who took Reinhard seriously before Reinhard took power, and he took him seriously all the way to the end. He expected Reinhard to rise to the top in no time after his first couple encounters too and in the first couple episodes there was a scene where a "game recognises game" moment was played straight with that personal message Reinhard sent to Yang before leaving. Reinhard and Yang were definitely a duo of greats, not just Yang.
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>>251369603
This is true. The Kaiserliche Heimat doesn't really gain anything from conquering the FPA. It lost it's political and cultural influence with the capital moving to Phezzan. The new constitution will just benefit Phezzanis and Nuelanders who would be more adept at controlling such a state. Reinhard reforms giving new freedoms of information and the lack of hard boarders would result in cultural exchange flowing mostly one way given the Alliance's more informationally abundant society. The corruption of the Lohengramm dynasty into another FPA will be on all levels. Reinhard's veterans probably wouldn't like seeing their homes transform to look more like that of their enemies. The first revolts are going to be centered around Odin rather than Heinessen.
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>>251366285 (OP)
Excellent taste with OP's and ED's.
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>>251379751
I think Trek (at least TOS and TNG) was really classic SciFi about exploring human morals and philosophy baked into some space shenanigans with futuristic technology. Starwars is a fairytale while LotGH is something different. Sci fi has become more a setting than a genre.
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>>251377937
Nips also love it. Somebody was buying those OVAs and it wasn't westerners. But even more nips love One Piece and Eva so that's why you don't know any better. However, as I write this I realize you are baiting. I bit you a dieu
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>>251366285 (OP)
OP: 3>1>2>>>>>>>>>4 
ED: 3>4>2>1

Season 3 is alright, the Alliance episodes are painfully dull. Season 4 is when it gets really good again, since it almost entirely focuses on the Empire.
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>>251369173
The movies and Season 4 have fantastic animation
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>>251379036
It's subtle, but Bittenfeld seems to have a bit of favoritism from Reinhard (like you say, other admirals get punished for their failures while Bittenfeld gets a 'It's Bittenfeld, whatcha gonna do?' Sfter he gets Fahrenheit killed). I think its because Kircheis stood up for Bittenfeld after Amritser, so Reinhard tends to give him more leeway compared to the other admirals.
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Thread has been an interesting read. 
>>251366285 (OP)
Muller has a very distinct set of fans, really made me happy when I joined some are projects to see him get a lot of attention. Kessler was my personal little tidbit when I first watched the entire thing. Many of the smaller lieutenants really made an impact on me, theres a suicide way later that absolutely destroyed me moreso than the tragedy before it.
I love Bittenfield, the books really sold me on him and there's an exchange during Book 2 between Reuenthal and Bittenfield that foreshadows a lot of things but nails what the anons were saying about him staying him. There is a lot cut out from the two first books that were scattered between movies or lost that I think were important. Backyard brawling Kircheis being very autonomous, Oberstein living with the old couple and the admiral club bullying his dog ect. That really early part of the civil war got sped through in the OVA.
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I don't understand how some people hate this series, not simply dislike or a result of distaste but an actual hate. It's a really good series and even if you don't enjoy its genre you'll get a lot of good dialogue and music from it.
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>Reinhard himself was nothing special.

That’s a bit of a simplification. The series stresses that Reinhard isn’t some kind of genetic Übermensch, though he and his sister do share outstanding good looks and something implacable that captivates those around them; call it “charm” or “natural charisma”. 

>There were thousands of more talented and more mature people in the empire's history

Reinhard’s crudeness and his accompanying willingness to make friends and change his views coupled with his uncompromising righteous fury directed at the ancien régime is what draws ambitious and otherwise independent-minded people to him and allows them to thrive with and under him.

>babysitter Kircheis

Kircheis is the clearest example of Reinhard lifting up those around him. Or rather they both grow through their friendship and shared goals. In the gaidens you see how their dynamic at the academy pushes both of them to excel in martial and scholastic pursuits.

Reinhard has this trifecta of traits where he’s; intolerant towards injustice, he catalyzes the growth of those around him and he’s extremely driven. That he doesn’t get hit by a stray laser beam in any of the dangerous life-or-death situations he finds himself in is a coincidence, but his professional excellence and the broad backing he receives goes beyond luck alone.
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>yellow subs 
why are pukefags like this
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>>251388430
I think people really underrate Reinhard's talent just because he's good at delegating, but they never realize that being able to acquire, develop, and maintain loyal and competent subordinates is probably the most powerful talent a politician can have.
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>>251368514
or maybe because fascism is a shitty fucking system? food for thought
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>>251389833
It's difficult to evaluate how good or how bad fascism would be because fascism is just a theory so far. We have never seen true fascism, because fascism has never been attempted by a non-retarded country.
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Was it really necessary for Oberstein to interrupt the ceremony?
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>>251390839
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>>251390839
>attending the wedding of Kaiser Reinhardo on Phezzan
>adjutant informs me of intense riots from rebels on Heinessen
>stand in the aisle and yell, "YO, THIS OCCUPATION FINNA BOUTTA GET SEMICIRCLED ON, KAKKA"
>everyone laughs
>Black Lancer admiral sucks in his gut and says, "You perspicacious on this propitious day, cyborg boy"
>hear "He cute" from Kaiserin Hildegardo
Zu jeder Zeit, an jedem Ort, bleibt das Tun der Menschen das gleiche.
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How the hell does this thing aim? I thought they were locking on at first but it has an gun reticle too like a plane.
Anyways i was right listening to /a/ and /m/ to watch onisama e and logh but for both they have one story element that bothers the shit out of me how they are handled.
I am botherd by the pace of how the battle against el facil currently is going but thats more the pace. The thing that really bothers me is how the anime handles the earth cult. I struggle to see how they could manage their actual goals especially past the second half with the alliance gone.
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>>251390939
based and oberpilled
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>>251390839
thematically the point is a harsh and humiliating reminder to reinhardt that he's not relying on perfect/pure subordinates where he can take for granted that the best cogs in his imperial machine will only ever act as cogs, and that he's a fool for buying into the superiority complex inherent in imperial propaganda.
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>>251390839
Oberstein was just being testy because he really wants to avoid a situation where Reinhard has a clear no. 2. He's also jellow that he doesn't get to marry Leinhardo-sama himself. 
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>>251366285 (OP)
> the early signs in Reuenthal's potential betrayal 
see episode with kircheis death
reinhard told reuenthal to come at him when he will feel strong enough
also oberstein was pretty suspicious of reuenthal since beginning and was provoking him occasionally (for example by inviting Lang to military meeting so they would begin to hate eachother)
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>>251366709
It has no depth. When you watch something by a top tier director you can sense a control over what is shown on screen and how/why etc. which goes beyond just "visual flair" and surface level explanations. Ishiguro was decent but he peaked with Yamato, that's where his passion lied, plus Yamato is a work that lends itself more to visual expression. Logh is comparatively mediocre in this respect.
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you get to remove one character from the showfor me it's julian
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>>251384883
I think that part of the favouritism toward Bittenfeld is that in a lot of cases he's not really supposed to succeed militarily. His job is usually to make the first attack in the face of heavy enemy resistance and he can be relied on to do it because he's not particularly cautious and the morale and effectiveness of his unit is very high due to his leadership. In that respect he heavily resembles 19th century Prussian officers who were taught to be extremely aggressive to the point of recklessness.
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>>251391907
picrel
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>>251390689
fair point, but you could say the exact same thing about communism
i guess extreme ideologies where everyone has to "buy in" are hard to actually execute on a large scale
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>>251368027
poplin has my eternal hate for showing up only to talk about how much sex he has
jesus dude we get it
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>>251392153
Guy has been consistently important in every battle, due to how effective his shock troops tactics are, only really failing in two engagements: 2nd Battle of Rantemario, and Battle of Amritsar (this one not his fault, but rather Reinhardt choosing to preserve his own men at cost of letting Yang live.)
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>>251385163
>theres a suicide way later that absolutely destroyed me moreso than the tragedy before it.
What happened before it was what destroyed me, but the suicide you're referencing just made it that much worse. He deserved better.

>>251392128
If I could, it'd be the Terrarists in their entirety. Limited to a single character, I otherwise completely agree.
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>>251391907
>see episode with kircheis death
>reinhard told reuenthal to come at him when he will feel strong enough
How can you possibly forget when they flashback to it every single time Ruenthal has the vaguest thought about being the one on top.
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>>251376856
>Closeup of blue and red blocks moving on a screen
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>>251392153
bittenfield exists only to dunk on shitty FPA commanders because he's a dude who brute forces battles with his overpowered black lancers, like he's not even our best guy and only yang, merkatz and julian can beat him
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>>251366285 (OP)
Literally all of the things you said that "aren't mentioned or talked about" have been discussed to death, you baka newfaggot.
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>>251393231
Rude, like most of Reinhard's cabinet: he plays his role and does it well. Not to mention that what you said is false given Bittenfield easily could have wiped out Yang during Battle of Amritsar.
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>>251369663
My stupid brain thought the ED was about Julian being jealous of Yang because he had a crush on Frederica, and I was completely oblivious to its real meaning until episode 82, which genuinely took me by surprise and left me in a depression for two weeks. 

For other anons who went into this show completely blind, did the ED spoil a certain outcome for you or you didn't think much of it?
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>>251394334
Didn't think much of it initially, but was already expecting this outcome from the type of show LOTGH is. Granted even foreknowledge of 82 still ended up leaving an impact.
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>>251394126
>could have
but of course, the best arguments are built on a bedrock of hypotheticals
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>Redhead
>Tsundere
>Daddy issues
>Ace Pilot
>Culturally German
She was just Asuka but better, and long before Asuka was ever created
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>>251394334
When I first saw ed 1 I thought that Yang, and everyone else in the FPA would die and Julian would have to face Reinhard alone.
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>>251394868
Anon, only reason he hasn't was Reinhard choosing to take a minor set-back instead of dealing with a costly victory. Also I don't see what Julian and Merkatz could do against Bittenfield even if both are overall better admirals.
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>>251395382
How would that work
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>>251395547
New generation of staff, borne from experience of the old cast, I suppose?
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>>251395547
Idk man I was just a bit too autistic about the symbolism in the EDs on my first watch
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>>251395468
>they're better admirals
>but they wouldn't be able to beat him
my man what are you doing
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>>251395706
Like both ED 1 and 2 have Julian standing by himself, looking determined to do something. For some reason I thought that this was because every other main character in the FPA died by the end of the series. At one point I thought that Reinhard could pull a Westerland 2.0 and nuke Iserlohn.
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Man, I can't wait to see how Phezzan outmaneuvers both the Empire and the FPA...
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So we all agree that op3 is the best one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUf-8aXt9Hw [Embed]
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>>251392626
What's his body count?
>>251391907
>>251392179
>>251393032
Yeah, I remember that tidbit.
>>251394126
What's that from?
>>251394334
Maybe it'll have its impact on me by the time I reach ep 82. But for the time being, ED 2 is my most favorite.
>>251395101
Pretty much, yeah.
>>251398163
Not quite. OP2 is still as good.
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bump to prevent it from dying fast
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>>251399131
>What's that from?
From this weird PS1 game. It even has a Momotaro parody.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1ZE1wA4tc8 [Embed]
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>>251372643
You could make the argument that their decisions were the product of the social and historical trends they were experiencing. After all, the reason Reinhard had a vendetta against the Goldenbaums is because he lived under a system that allowed the ruler to buy his own sister.
>>251386491
LoGH can be pretty dry at times, and some people just don't find history interesting.
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Is Die Neue These worth watching?
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>>251366285 (OP)
>What intrigued me the most about the show is that nobody recognized that
Nobody meaning...the characters, or people watching it? It's kind of impossible to miss if you're talking about people. There's no point pointing it out. Yang and Reinhard in the Alliance and Empire were clearly there as two similar people in similar circumstances. You don't need roll insight to recognise something the show shoves in your face and repeats often.

>Nobody on /a/ or /m/ seems to mention the early signs in Reuenthal's potential betrayal either
Again, the show was pretty in-your-face about it. Every time Reuenthal gets to talk on screen, he's always been doing the "ambitious and competent man who is unsatisifed with living under another person's shadow" act since the beginning. You act like people need to point this shit out in discussions as if it was subtle or something nobody saw coming when it's the opposite.

>Aside from all that, if you wanted someone to watch the series, you could basically start with 56
Okay, this is just bait. The fuck kind of shit opinion is that?

5/10 made me write a serious reply
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>>251384883
>Sfter he gets Fahrenheit killed
The show spent some time emphasising how Farenheit was just as much of a hothead as Bittenfeld. Farenheit couldn't resist the temptation of charging into blazing glory just as much as Bittenfeld. He could've ditched Bittenfeld to report on the engagement or took a better position but he didn't. Bittenfeld can't have all the blame for his death.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>I think a lot of people sleep on Ulrich Kessler and Neinhardt Muller and overrate Bittenfeld
Both Kessler and Bittenfeld get their time to shine later.
As for Muller, he's probably the only admiral save for Kircheis who actually understand the importance of an actual defense in a military that unanimously think that offense is the best defense. But since he realize he's not as smart as Kircheis, all he can do is to hinder Yang's plans by trying to be in the right place at the right time and soak fire that would otherwise target important ships.
You can also mention Mecklinger who's pretty much only remembered for his mustache despite being the unsung hero in charge of logistics.

As for your complains about /a/, you just need to be in the right thread at the right time, there's plenty of good LoGH threads over the years.
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>>251368844
>One of three time I've actually cheered when a character was killed.
fuck off manchild
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>>251404064
t. Jobbing Job
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Form a semi circle.
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>>251398163
op2>op1>op3
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>>251404341
What the fuck does this mean
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>>251402221
Depends on what you're looking for. It's my understanding that while it follows the books closer it's heavier on the "space" and light on the "opra" if you catch my meaning.
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>>251404064
Wait, what, why? 
Anon, you've peaked my interest. 
Am I wrong to get catharsis from watching a well written heel get what was coming, or from allowing a well written work to effect my emotions?
Please do tell me.
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>>251389833
I'd argue that. 
It's only shitty if you're out of disharmony with the ruling government. So long as the ideology and mindset of the state and the individual share a majority overlap it's the bees fucking knees.
Fast, efficient, commonsensical. All things that as an IRL buricrat I've come to fetishize more then anime tomboys.
But the rub is that the definition of those is subjective. 
So for a perfect fanciest state to work all decent must be removed, and then the leader must share those definitions.

Not to un-doable, but as we've seen the leader will always die, and "drift" will occure.

This is why the concept of the "benevolent philosopher God King" has the God in it. The key point must endure indefinitely for the system to do the same.

And that's why, since no one is immortal, I'm a practicing libertarian/anarchist IRL.
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>>251395101
Fucking God, I can't unsee it now!
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>>251402221
It's okay. Character designs are mostly shit, music and voice acting are worse than the OVAs, but it's decent enough.

>>251405876
It's closer to the books in some ways, but it has a lot of its own original content (which tends to be worse than the OVAs' OC), and it does make a lot of its own unnecessary changes as well. It's more cinematic, I'll give it that, but that's expected given the new audience and theatrical release setup.
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>FPA episode
>hahaha sex amirite
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>>251406821
>So long as the ideology and mindset of the state and the individual share a majority overlap it's the bees fucking knees.
Its fundamentally all about the education of the populace. Plato's "Republic" nailed this shit down to a tee over 2k years ago, communally educated citizens instead of nuclear/classical family dynamics is the best and (potentially) only way to facilitate the long-term stability of an absolute state (regardless on which side of the spectrum it stands); the morals and ideology of the state must not just supercede, but entirely replace any and all other forms of social, moral and interpersonal order.
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What movie or ova should i watch after the show??
Are they any good? Or just recaps?
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>>251407704
This makes sense. I get the repackaging of IPs to make them more digestible to audiences of the time, but it's always a shame when that comes at the cost of what made it special to begin with.

I appreciate that the original's time sink scares folks away (hell, that's why I ducked it for years), but having now consumed it I genuinely don't think it could be done in any other way.
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>>251408347
Preach. Honestly if one gets right down to it it's that perpetual conflict between the concepts of the state and the individual that create the cracks, that degrade the governing systems, that perpetuate this endless cycle.

Until man becomes a hive mind or a truly autonomous and self contained entity (and therefore needs no external governance) things will be as they are. Seems silly that it's so hard for most folks to grasp. Shit, my kid gets it and he's only 11.
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>>251405876
It does not follow the books closer. 
For every change along the line of the books like getting the scale of the revue that Reinhard was almost assassinated at there's three changes like Frederica dunking on Rosen Ritter while spouting anime original dialogue. Which is pretty bad since the dick suck of the RR is actually toned down in the ova.
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>>251408416
You can watch everything beside Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu Gaiden: Ougon no Tsubasa. It`s bad. Other ones just bigger versions of battles and young days of Reihard and Yang
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>>251408905
>Other ones just bigger versions of battles and young days of Reihard and Yang
I see, thank you anon
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>>251395101
>>251399131
>>251407281
>redhead
>tsundere
>daddy issues
Katerose is Anne of Green Gables.
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>>251378709
He was good at many things but he was never the best.
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>>251366285 (OP)
Just be done with it and put it in your 3x3.
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>>251366285 (OP)
>it's been discussed in verbatim
I think you mean "ad nauseam"
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>>251410473
I meant what I said, but that too. Everyone who talks about LOGH only talks specifically about "that" one moment with either Kircheis or Ep 82. But aside from that, people never really talk about the show.
>>251410025
Witch From Mercury is also very good.
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>>251367070
>people like him because he is funny
I like him because he is honest, no bullshit man.
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>>251410025
>Dyke From Mercury
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>>251395724
Correct, being overall better admiral than someone does not automatically mean that you will win. That's true to both real life and LOGH.
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>>251408853
>Frederica dunking on Rosen Ritter while spouting anime original dialogue
That was a terrible change that made everyone involved look like shit, and was overall pretty cringe.
>the dick suck of the RR is actually toned down in the ova
Same with the Julian dicksuck, which DNT doesn't tone down as it keeps some of the more obnoxious parts from the novels, like how Julian was a local celebrity for being so amazing before he ever joined the military.

There were also some random changes made for no apparent reason, like revealing the leader of the FPA coup early or handling the climax of fortress vs fortress differently. DNT also decided to put more effort into introducing Oberstein's dog than in Reuenthal's formal introduction, which I will never understand.

As it is, the only things that DNT kept closer to the book that really matter was Westerland and Reinhard's assassination attempt on Geiersburg.

>>251411742
Plenty of people talked about the show, and still do. You're just coming in late, because most of this shit was discussed years ago.
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>>251379447
You forget that Yang had massive luck with the evacuation fuck up when he was young. I'd argue it's way better than Rainhards early achievements, and set him into a position where he could steadily climb up. If he has forksomethings's drive and ambition he would have been able to get into a postion where during the imp civil war he could have interfered.
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>>251368027
What do you mean Trunicht ? He's a fantastic character
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>>251390995
Yeah, thats a radar gunsight.
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>>251395724
As is shown when Bittenfield charging at the fpa broke their lines.
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what are the most similar works in manga to logh?
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>>251412644
>You're just coming in late, because most of this shit was discussed years ago.
I can't help it. Plus I had a lot to sort out from the school of life between learning how to live as an adult, my vocation, and learning how to sort my family out. I was also preoccupied coming up with names for my novel series (that in itself is a labor of fucking love, let me tell you that).
>>251413610
From what I know, as OP:
>Hellsing (similar political/WWII-like ambience)
>Ad Astra: Scipio to Hannibal
>The Ravages of Time
>Blame!
>2001 Nights (or anything by Yukinobu Hoshino for that matter)
>Shigurui
>The Eminence in Shadow
>Berserk
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>>251413766
Toshiue Elite Onna Kishi ga Boku no Mae de dake Kawaii is also kinda similar in tone to the PS1 version of LOGH like this anon showed me >>251400540. Also similar political themes, albeit much more toned down in a comedic fantasy setting.
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>>251403357
>Nobody meaning...the characters, or people watching it? 
I mean with the people watching it. A lot of people lack self-awareness.
>You act like people need to point this shit out in discussions as if it was subtle or something nobody saw coming when it's the opposite.
Between your last concession/point, I'd say it's less about the show telling and more than it is 'not' showing. 
>Okay, this is just bait. The fuck kind of shit opinion is that?
I meant in regards to the history. If you watch 56 and 40 together, it's almost like watching a full-blown documentary and getting an idea of how the world of LOGH works.
>5/10 made me write a serious reply
Well, I'll make sure to make it a 9/10 next time when I get around between 57-81.
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>>251413610
Otome Sensou.
Literally the Hussite wars in manga form.
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>>251414011
That reminds me. Gunka No Baltzar is similar to LOGH in that it has the same 19th century historical and political relevance that bears a resemblance to the Goldenbaumm aristocracy in S1.
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Posting more images that people don't get the chance to.
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>>251413610
>>251413887
>>251366285 (OP)
Not a TV show also but The Shield with Walton Goggins and Michael Chiklis is also very similar to LOGH in that everyone has an agenda and is out to dupe each other. 
In fact, I'd argue it's the best live action TV show of all time.
https://youtu.be/YDB4xiA4dbc [Embed]
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>>251414183
>FPA Fighter Pilots: friendly, affable, personable, charming, fun to watch
>Imperial Fighter Pilots: faceless menacing harbingers of death
Empirechuds... are we the baddies?
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>>251413766
I need an Ad Astra adaptation so bad.
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>>251414157
Has GnB finished? Remember enjoying it and its food spreads.
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>>251414183
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>>251414546
I could use a Historie adaption.
Shame there's nothing out there that matches LOGH, but Rose of Versailles is helping relieve that itch.
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>>251414546
I agree
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>>251414340
except imps can't into fighter combat and get trashed any time they dogfight
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>>251415201
Just like Tie Fighter pilots. Damn, this really is a complete and total ripoff of Star Wars.
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>>251368644
Is that Armin?
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>>251416262
Yeah, he's my favorite Legend of Galactic Titans character.
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>>251415868
Save for the fact that TIE fighters have their own ace pilot: Soontir Fel.
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>>251416262
Low quality bait
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>>251417088
In my day, we called that a "joke".
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>>251417293
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>>251395101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwW1kUR9K-o [Embed]