tv/183079635.txt

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>Heroic cops break the law to get evidence
>The evidence is rightfully thrown out by a "scumbag" lawyer and a "bleeding heart" judge
>Cops blame the system for daring to protect people's rights and never consider the fact that it's their own damn fault for breaking the rules
What exactly do these cop shows want? A police state where nobody has any rights, the cops can break in wherever they want and torture whoever they want until they "confess" with even less consequences, and nobody gets a fair trial?
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>>183079635 (OP)
>A police state where nobody has any rights, the cops can break in wherever they want and torture whoever they want until they "confess" with even less consequences, and nobody gets a fair trial?
That is EXACTLY what liberals and leftists want.
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>>183079764
What are you talking about? The left goes way into the other direction, they're the ones who have been trying to defund the police and restrict their power for years. They're the ones who want prosecutors to convict less people and for less time.
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>>183080011
They're trying pretty hard to put Trump away so he's less of a political threat rather than because anything he did was particularly bad or illegal.
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>>183079635 (OP)
It's especially dumb because often given the circumstances the judge wouldn't have thrown the case out because real life judges hate doing so and have come up with all sorts of workarounds like the inevitable discovery doctrine ("the cops probably would have found it eventually anyway, so who cares").
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>>183080270
He illegally cooked the books for his private businesses and presidential campaigns. Trump is a walking white collar financial crime. Why are you lot still crying over him? Take it as an opportunity to reform your party into something independent voters want to vote for again.
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>>183079764
No they want to defund the local police and turn everything over to the FBI who are their personal gestapo. As usual its liberals wanting to weaken the state and empower the federal government.
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>>183081593
The FBI is and has always been conservative, what are you talking about? The current director was even nominated by Trump.
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>>183081482
You're not even American retard. We don't care what you think.
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>>183079635 (OP)
>nobody gets a fair trial?
Throwing out objectively legitimate evidence because it doesn't fit some specific bureaucratic bullshit process is how you get unfair trials, retard.
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>>183081749
I voted against him in favor of the other guy twice, and would happily do it again a 3rd time if asked. Stay mad.
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>>183081905
Food of the poisoned tree, my friend. When cops just break laws and procedures and conveniently “find” incriminating evidence it’s likely planted rather than legitimate.
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>>183082012
This, the cops get away with enough bullshit as is, even if they themselves rarely get punished for their actions, there need to be consequences on the legal side to dissuade this kind of behavior.
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>>183082638
The only answer to that is murder, anon. You want to deter police? Adding more laws will only go so far. Putting in a law that effectively makes it okay for civilians to murder them to prevent that shot in the first place will create enough chaos they won't bother enforcing laws in the first place. What person wants to enforce laws when your life that was already on the line is no longer protected from acts of violence from the public to prevent themselves from being arrested or prosecuted in the first place.
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>>183080270
Can something be "particularly" illegal? Are there different levels of legality?
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>>183079635 (OP)
>guy is hauled in for questioning off the street
>after 2 separate questionings "I want my lawyer"
>scene of all the cops behind the window in despair that he exercised his right to legal representation
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>>183079635 (OP)
Every time the cops crossed the line, there was always a voice of reason on the DAs side calling them out, until Cutter becomes the DA, then they go full loose canon and blur the lines as much as possible. I don't watch the current reboot after seeing an episode. Complete garbage.
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>>183082914
Yeah, that's literal propaganda. Remember Anons, ALWAYS ask for a lawyer, ESPECIALLY if you're innocent.
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friendly reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE [Embed]
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i miss briscoe
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>>183083227
>it's a federal offence to be in possession of a lobster
>no, really
do USAnians… oh wait they do.
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>>183083959
Nobody cares what Europoors think. You guys are the modern day 1984.
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>>183083959
A quick internet search shows this is completely false. I can go out to the market and buy a live lobster and keep it as a pet right now if i wanted.
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>>183084638
>you guys
Europe is 50 countries. none the examples you have in mind, NONE of them is remotely equivalent to a US federal crime.
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>>183084689
nobody should ignore the law.
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>>183082872
I suppose felonies are definitely worse than non-felonies
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>>183079635 (OP)
Always pissed me off watching this when they act like the biggest scum fucks possible to someone that was completely innocent and then they just act all frustrated that they couldn’t fuck some rando over when they find out they were wrong
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>>183079635 (OP)
I haven't watched hundreds of hours of law and order or anything but I feel like most cop shows have a character who is a stickler for the rules and they're pretty much always shown to be right.
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>>183081711
the FBI is hardcore leftist now
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>>183084791
Texas takes up close to 3% of your continent, and that's just 1 state. European countries are just more compact, poorer, United "States". Cope. 
>>183084826
Go ahead and provide evidence that's a punishable law in burgerland.
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>>183084934
On the contrary, the stickler for the rules is either a no-good obstructionist bureaucrat, or a rookie who doesn't know any better and eventually learns the error of his ways and is converted to "breaking the rules to catch bad guys=good".
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>>183085047
Why? Because they took classified documents from Trump's house that he lied about returning after almost 2 years of stalling at the DOJ's request?
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>>183085053
wtf are you on? you say "Europe is 1984", I say "no because first of all we have no actual European criminal law" and then you start a dick size contest out of nowhere. are you alright, anon?
>Go ahead and provide evidence that's a punishable law in burgerland.
watch the video
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>>183085195
You brought up how Europe is 50 countries, I'm only showing you how irrelevant that is when you guys are a union and so compact anyway. You guys can't own a gun. Cucked the hardest for the clot shot mandates. Have a nanny state, and I could go on. I only refer to the main relevant Europoor countries like Germany, France and Britain, but I'm sure it's overall not a pleasant experience for the expression of freedom over there.
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ACAB
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>>183084934
L&O (the show, not the franchise) as a whole is pretty balanced. sometimes they get away with it, another time it backfires. no general rule.
sometimes the "good cop" do something that the audience thinks is reasonable, and yet the DA is still put in a bum because of it.
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>>183079635 (OP)
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>>183079635 (OP)
They literally harassed Burt Young's character into acting out violently but left it ambiguous if he even committed the crimes
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>>183079635 (OP)
There've been a number of episodes (good episodes) where the B-story is all about the cops and/or DA's office venting their frustrations with struggling to play by rules the criminals don't, as well as episodes where they rightfully call out when a character goes too far or tainted evidence needs to be thrown out. It's a lot of good back and forth.

Or at least it was, I haven't watched it in years.

Heard that guy from Burn Notice is a regular now, so I'm tempted to give it another chance.
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>>183085367
>you guys are a union
no we aren't. Europe is not the EU. the EU is not a state.
>You guys can't own a gun
in many countries you can, sometimes as freely as in the US. no general rule.
>Have a nanny state
same as above.
if I say "you Americans can't drink before 21" you'll say "only in some states". however if I say "you Americans can't do X because X is a federal crime", it is literally correct.
>I only refer to the main relevant Europoor countries like Germany, France and Britain
moving goalposts. but please tell me where in the US you live so I can tell you it's irrelevant.
> I'm sure it's overall not a pleasant experience for the expression of freedom over there.
judging by how many extraditions to the US were refused by those "relevant" European countries, I'll say it could be worse.
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>>183085399
I've only seen a limited amount of SVU but it seemed even-keeled to me. Stabler is hardly sympathetic. He's impulsive, often violent, his home life is failing, and it's implied that he has pedo tendencies himself. And while Olivia is the more rational one, even she tries to put away/harasses innocent people multiple times and is shown to be in the wrong for it.
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>>183085584
>left it ambiguous if he even committed the crimes
No they didn't. It was explicitly stated he was guilty for the original crime he was charged for and he ends up attempting the same crime again before being killed, but yes, the cops did abuse their power and made his life a living hell that probably pushed him over the edge.
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>>183085584
Wasn't there an SVU episode where some rapist gets paroled and they literally entrap him into committing another rape? Like I recall Stabler going undercover and constantly goading him to leer at girls, even buys the guy a van with blacked out windows to go trolling around in. Like what the fuck?
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>>183083959
>simply say something that hurts someones feelings
>Police in Europe can come and arrest ytou and throw you in jail
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>>183081593
>>183081711
FBI is Jew controlled Stasi.
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>>183080011
Anarcho-tyranny. A black man who burns a white family to death gets let off because of "restorative justice" policies while a white man who commits "hate speech" gets put in prison for twenty years. The police and politicians ignore Pakistani rape gangs while somebody gets arrested for leaving a plate of bacon in front of a mosque. Enabling criminals to run free while targeting law abiding citizens.
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>>183079635 (OP)
Blue Bloods dips into this occasionally. Also I forget the show but there was this one where this female cop was going around harassing everyone about an old case and threatening jail time for not answering questions, I thought it was setting her up to be corrupt but she was the hero of the story.
>>183085167
Glow ops against the right, like the fake Whitmer one.
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>>183085764
SVU is by far the worst and least nuanced L&O show, unless you watched the very early seasons.
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>>183083773
The show died when he died
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>>183085793
>source: dude trust me, I speak all 80 main European languages and I read all their newspapers.
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>>183085399
'Marathon' comes to mind - the one where some gangbanger confesses to Briscoe and nobody believes him because he's been getting loose and rough with the suspects on this case, and all their evidence ends up getting thrown out. In the end he and Green have to work their asses off to find new evidence that can nail the guy who later admits to the confession.

Good ambiguous episode - the cops are wrong for playing fast and loose with evidence and get nailed for it, but at the same time you can understand why they have a hard time dealing with an especially frustrating case
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>>183085718
>in many countries you can, sometimes as freely as in the US. no general rule.
Go ahead and name 3. I've never heard of anyone in the US being arrested for teaching their dog how to do a Sieg Heil salute. Never heard of anyone being arrested for wrong think posts on their social media. You know what I have heard? Guys who were stationed in European countries that couldn't wait to come home because of how bad it was. Especially during your COVID restrictions.
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>>183085888
Wasted trips. Do you think we're fucking retarded?
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>>183085834
SVU's quality fucking *nosedived* after Stabler left. Sort of like NCIS after Tony and Ziva bailed.
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>>183085834
And it's no coincidence that it's the most popular amongst the normies. Whenever I say OG L&O is my favorite of the franchise, normies can't comprehend how SVU isn't my preferred slop.
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>>183086010
>normies can't comprehend how SVU isn't my preferred slop.
That's because SVU is the only one that was airing for the better part of two decades before Organized Crime came along.
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>>183085894
I remember the one where Green put a toothpick in a door lock to buy a few seconds until the warrant arrived. it's typically the kind of trick any other cop on any other show would get away with, but in L&O they lost all the main evidence because of this.
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>>183085793
Would make for a good L&O spinoff.
>In the criminal justice system, the most heinous of speech is policed by the men and women of the Online Hate Crime Hub. These are their stories.
>*DUN DUN*
SHE WAS DIFFERENTLY-ABLED AND YOU CALLED HER THE R-WORD, YOU SICK BASTARD!!!
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>>183086062
The original Law and Order was airing from 1990 to late 2000s...are you stupid?
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>>183086010
Had an opportunity to rewatch some of the old seasons and it's impressive how much those first couple seasons actually still hold up. Of course it gets better once Jerry Orbach joins the cast, but still, it was pretty good.
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>>183085894
I liked the one where Greevy gets a confession or something by letting two suspects sit in his cop car because they had no 'expectation of privacy' since they were out in public and 'free to leave'.
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>>183079635 (OP)
Maybe stop breaking the law yourself so you don't have to worry about what cops do?

OP you're a dumb as fuck nigger that can't really comprehend the fact that either the rules apply to both sides or they don't; and when they don't, don't cry like a little bitch that the cops aren't playing fair.
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>>183085817
Blue Bloods is pure copaganda, so no wonder.
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>>183079635 (OP)
Don't forget superiors viewing their entire police forces as fully expendable and in infinite supply
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>>183086107
OK, the better part of 2 decades is an exaggeration. But SVU was still the only L&O show on the air from the time the OG ended until Organized Crime started. And Organized Crime has an SVU character as the protagonist. 
You can't be surprised that SVU is what the average TV watcher thinks of when you talk about L&O. It's recency bias.
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>>183085888
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>>183079635 (OP)
Ahhhh, anons take on politiczzzzzz. Always great points
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>>183085925
>more whaboutism
still won't change the fact that Europe has no federal criminal law, no glowies and no unelected Supreme Court that can make law.
I never heard about anybody in Europe that was arrested for transporting a lobster, or getting shot because they had itchy pants in front of a cop.
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>>183086340
I just think the average TV watcher has shit taste
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*jokes over your corpse*
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>>183079635 (OP)
Have you watched the show? This doesn't happen the way you think it does. Evidence gets thrown out but it's usually because of some tricky situation that is argued. It's never done in bad faith like you are trying to say, except maybe a few times throughout the whole series.
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>>183086395
>UK
I don't care. not British.
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>>183086406
Now do communism.
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>>183086136
I enjoy seeing actors who are big today playing random bit parts in OG L&O
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>>183086216
There was a story not 48 hours ago about the police doing a no-knock warrant on the wrong house and blowing some innocent guy away. Cops can make mistakes and when they do it can go very, *very* badly for law abiding citizens. The rules aren't there to make life easier for criminals, they're there to try and make it a little bit harder for cops to fuck with the lives of innocent people.

Yeah, it sucks that sometimes shitty people get away with doing shitty things, the world's not perfect, but it's better than giving the cops carte blanche to do whatever they want to whoever they think is guilty.
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>>183086437
We should all be so lucky.
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>>183086437
>my corpse hearing his joke about the way I died
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>>183086413
>Whataboutism
Look at the cute underage attempting to cry fallacies he doesn't understand, why implementing that same exact fallacy in his response. I'll make it easy for (You), name 3 countries that you can own a gun "as freely as in the US. no general rule."
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>>183086508
>that robin williams episode of svu
cameokino
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The best pairing in the show.
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>>183086747
>while implementing that same exact fallacy in his response
yeah I did it on purpose so you could realise how stupid it is and stop doing it in your own posts. you've done half of the job.
>you can own a gun as freely as in the US
Switzerland, Finland, Czech Republic. hunting firearms are legal almost everywhere and (in general) can be used fosr self-defense.
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>>183087130
>i was being retarded on purpose
>Switzerland, Finland, Czech Republic
You clearly don't understand the meaning of our 2nd Amendment if you think any of those counties are comparable to owning a gun here. Anyway, it's clear you don't understand anything about Burgerland other than memes and what you read on the internet. As shitty as our shithole is, it's still preferable than anywhere in Europoor.
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>>183087048
Based. Easily had the best seasons.