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--- 92822100
>Interview Prep
https://leetcode.com/study-plan/leetcode-75
https://blog.interviewing.io/

>Resume Stuff
https://www.careercup.com/resume
https://cultivatedculture.com/resume-statistics/

>Salary Stuff
"What's your expected salary, anon?": https://www.fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/salary-expectations-interview-question/
Negotiation advice: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-not-to-bomb-your-offer-negotiation-c46bb9bc7dea/
More negotiation advice: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/
Salary data: https://levels.fyi/

>Responding to Recruiter Spam
Advice on how to not get your time wasted: https://pastebin.com/WX4b62Jx (embed)

>Layoffs
https://layoffs.fyi/

>Helpful YouTube Channels
they're all grifters but here are some
https://www.youtube.com/@ContinuousDelivery
https://www.youtube.com/@EngineeringwithUtsav
https://www.youtube.com/@ByteByteGo (systems design at a high level)
https://www.youtube.com/@gkcs (systems design in more detail)
https://www.youtube.com/@ycombinator (if you're doing a startup)

>"I'm a self-taught dev/went to a bootcamp and have no degree, how do I get a tech job?"
You're fucked

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what are you doing on /twg/ on a saturday night, loser?
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>>92822149
Sunday afternoon here and I've just finished bussing. Gonna make a sushi roll now.
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>>92822269
bussin on god?
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>>92822373
bussin mf nuts no cap
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>>92822269
>I've just finished bussing
the bussin never stops fr fr ong
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>>92822100 (OP)
/twg/bros
I was using chatgpt at work (I'm a retard I know) basically as a glorified search engine. I was asking it generic shit about the type of engineering I'm in. I came in after the weekend and chatgpt was banned on the network. I didn't hear anything from IT during the week. Am I in trouble? Did I fuck up?
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Is the market really as bad as how people are freaking out? Like are offers being given out FAGMAN or equivalent worse than before, or interviews harder? I've been casually applying selectively to some jobs bc I'm kinda annoyed about lack of comp adjustment from the stock tanking from shitty raise and stock refreshers (2022 joiner at a company where the stock crashed over 70% - my comp is like 70k lower than when I joined), though I've already heard back from a few companies. Do you guys think its actually worth looking harder or should I just keep coasting at my job (to which they might do layoffs idk)? Also not a senior eng if that's relevant, 3 YOE so mid-level atm.
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>>92822529
wtf,
at my work IT installed Co Pilot on our IDEs
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Im looking at a "tech" job, never worked in tech. Ill probably soft dox myself but whatever.

"Information Systems Support Technician"
Salary is based on experience

The job description is:
>Installs, configures, and maintains a variety of computer equipment including but not limited to computer terminals, printers, personal computers, and data communications equipment
>Determines source and nature of computer malfunction using diagnostic and application software
>Adjusts, repairs, and replaces malfunctioning equipment, where necessary
>Responsible for cabling and termination of Cat5, Cat6, CATV, and various other wiring disciplines
>Perform information system, communications, or special project tasks as directed by the immediate supervisor.

What salary/hourly should I negotiate for should I ever get the call?
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>>92822529
coincidence, some pervert looks at everyone's screens all day or you flagged something in the key logger
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>>92822149
slept from 3am friday to 6pm today, watching some ytp and trying to recover from this week in time for the next one
--- 92822845
I have a job as a younger IT Specialist. The company is small enough, that we don't need any specific branches, so I kinda do everything. Sysadmin, coding, security and whatnot, the thing is, I don't have even a bachelors degree. If I ever get fired, I'm fucked. I can write that I have the experience in the field, especially if I manage to stay there for a few years, but will it be enough? Or maybe should I go back to school, extramural studies to be exact? It will cost money, I'd still have to live with my parents, I think and there is always a chance of me failing, because I'm dumb as a rock.
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>>92822149
Redheads are god tier. I know a tall blue eyed redhead and she makes my heart ache. 
On another note: what are the signs you are getting fired in the near future from your entry level tech role?
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Are there people who work in these big tech companies who hate the company

Ex
Facebook but doesn’t use and hates it
Amazon but hates bezos and what Amazon has ruined small business
Didn’t use google and hates their data mining
Hates Netflix 
Doesn’t use apple products
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>have lived in Bay Area basically all my 30 years of life
>proto neet autistic loser the entire time
>everyone here works in tech and are all millionaires but still pretend and act like they live paycheck to paycheck and how expensive it is here
>get even more despondent about how worthless I am
I wish I had the intelligence and motivation to be as smart and rich as all of you. This is literally the worst area to live when you’re a loser.
--- 92822989
Just told my manager I was 60% of the through an app migration at 3 sites and I can't even get one site migrated properly :) I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get shit canned before the next year.

Also found out the girl I'm talking to still has an ex bf she's clingy too so I might just kms before Monday @ 9. Still debating.
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>>92822639
I’m also 3 YOE, I started looking in late January and barely got any callbacks but now I have 5 interviews in the same week
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>>92822965
When you have nothing you can do anything
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>>92822925
of course
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>>92822989
It sounds like you lied to your boss. He most likely lies to you more often and you are returning the rapport. All women are like this. They have evolved to separate things in their mind that are really connected. She thinks being friends with her ex is normal because she has been conditioned by television dramas. If you kill yourself dont let the woman know it was her doing. She doesnt deserve the satisfaction she would get from knowing she made you off yourself.
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>>92823165
wtf
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>>92822716 $20/hr
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>>92823211 $599 US Dollars
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Why do zoomers love buzzwords? Just read over a resume of college grad listing his skills in bullet points and I just wanted to share what not to write.

>Scaling Java codebases in a VS Code environment
Just say you know Java and use VSCode. This is autistic. 
>Experience working with large scale data driven projects.
Yeah, large projects wouldn't be much without data...
>Pipelining builds through Gradle and Maven.
Yeah, you use build tools. 
>Proficient in creating and managing project infrastructures using Git, GitHub, and GitLab. 
Wow. 

I'm literally going to start printing out applications to use as toilet paper and mail them back to the applicant if I have to read more autistic buzzwords. I assure you it will be completely data driven and the tech stack will be modern and agile. 

Who is telling all of these zoomers to talk like this? I see it in 90% of applications, all over normie tech blogs, etc. 

List programming languages you use, libraries, frameworks, etc. and list experience or relevant projects to back that up. I literally don't want to read ciphers of nerd poetry and meme SEO keywords.
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>>92823318
my tech stack is fat as mf fr fr no cap
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>>92823201
GPT4 is the future, truly humanlike responses
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>>92823318
to compensate for something
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>>92823318
Just the flip side of shitty job listings unironically asking for experience with basic shit like git, build tools, ides.
Recruiters put that shit into their bullshit listings. Now they're too lazy and will ask chatGPT to write listings for them. It will spew just as much bullshit, but with fewer spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
Next, zoomer applicants will just use GPT to bullshit a resume tailored for each job listing.
Don't you love progress?
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>>92823479
but the resume screening software will send the resume to chatgpt and ask it if it was written by chatgpt, and if so, throw the resume out
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>>92825073
then send the resume back to chatgpt and ask it to write as if it were not chatgpt and the resume screening software will detect that it is chatgpt writing as if it were not chatgpt then send the resume back to chatgpt write as if it were not chatgpt pretending to be chatgpt and keep up this recursive cycle until the internet breaks and we all revert back to monke
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>>92823318
>Why do zoomers love buzzwords?

Because they're being raised in a world where any sort of short/sweet/cohesive resume is thrown in the trash. Resume reviewers and recruiters literally tell you to just bullet point and use vague/pompous language to make you sound qualified. Obviously, this "hack" is good for employees just trying to get a foot in the door but I have to imagine it's getting arduous for people who actually do the hiring. I just took down one of my resumes to this format and I hate it despite the fact that it'll probably get me more hits back.
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>>92822845
don't waste your breath talking about your job that isn't yuppie cringe here.
this general is ONLY for code monkeys and complete failures who want to join their bubble.
Your situation isn't that bleak bro.. IT values certs more than a degree so just have your work pay for them. As much as the teens will suggest job hopping just stay there for a bit and lodge into a leadership position if you can. Smaller companies (non-monoliths) really are tutorial mode. Take advantage of that.
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reminder that more pain is coming. Recession's don't hit rock bottom until you start seeing people jumping off office buildings.
--- 92825466
Honestly I fucking despise the rise of LeetCode challenges. Every god damn job requires a 2 hour homework assignments before you can even get past the HR filter.

Like fuck right off, how many times must I implement some DAG Linked List or Binary Tree to find the intersection of whatever.

DS&A is like 2.5% of Programming of the 10% of time you spend writing new code.
--- 92825585
Broke something last week on my dev machine and spent the entire week fixing it, didn't finish any of the tasks that I was assigned
Got a team meeting tomorrow, how fucked am I?
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>>92825466
I mean if you're too stupid to put leetcode questions into chatgpt you probably don't even deserve an interview
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>>92825604
This, but tbf there are a few really braindead companies that think you shouldn't be allowed to google things in job interviews
But In the last year I've maybe had to use DS&A maybe twice in the entire time I've been working
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>>92825585
>entire week fixing it
you're retarded
>how fucked am I?
probably not at all
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>>92825634
>>>92825585(You)
>>entire week fixing it
>you're retarded
It was dumb SQL sysadmin stuff from our non-standard setup, eventually had to rebuild modules one by one and diff error logs to narrow down what parts were breaking
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>>92825658
so either
1. you're too stupid to wipe everything and start over from scratch using the onboarding docs
2. your onboarding docs take a fucking week to set up
both of which are very bad
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Any alternate career ideas outside of tech? I'm too old to reasonably become a dev and I don't know if I can handle the stress of being a sysadmin for long.
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>>92825275
Speaking of certs, what should I be looking for? Any specific ones or anything goes? I know the goal is to make me resume look as nice as it is possible, but I'd also like to learn some things here and there.
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>>92825709
buy a house and rent it out
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>>92825709
farm animal entertainer
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>>92825709
crane operator
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>>92822965
I have never even been to California nor would I ever want to live there lol.
I live in a very non techie rural area on the east coast. I never felt like I should move to a city with a lot of tech jobs I just took what I could find locally even if the pay was shit. Then the coof came and work from home got very common and I got a job for a company based in Boston (actually Quincy) which is my closest big city but I still don't go there.
--- 92826239
I'm a developer in a large company.

About 6 months ago, there was some re-org on my team, and I got put under a new manager "Bob". The weird thing is that I was the ONLY person that reported to Bob. As far as I know, he didn't have any other responsibilities other than people managing me. As a result, he would crazy micro-manage me. Some days, he would stand behind me for hours when I would code and shout out random suggestions. (I just don't think he had anything to do most of the day).

Finally, I had enough and looked for a new job. So a month ago, I got another job in the same company, but much different team and org, doing completely different work. (I was a .NET developer building backend APIs, and now I'm front-end developer focused on our main external platform). It was a breathe of fresh air and went back to a normal team structure.

Well, last week, we had a town hall and they announced a re-org. Not too surprising, since they're constantly changing things around in my company. However, the surprising part is that my old manager, Bob, is getting moved into our org and I'll be reporting to him. The even stranger part is that the 7 other devs on my team will be reporting to one manager, and I'll be the only person reporting to Bob. So somehow, I'm back in the exact same situation!

Is my company trying to tell me something with this move? This all seems super bizarre, but I have only been in the industry for 6 years, so I don't know how normal this is. Should I speak up or voice my concerns?
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>>92825709
try to be a SAP hardware installer. Not maintainer or whatever, just the guy that installs the certified equipment.
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>>92826239
Bob is obsessed with you and wants to fuck every hole on your body
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>>92826299
This. Be sure to make the first move and fuck every hole in Bob's body. Be proactive.
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>>92826239
>So somehow, I'm back in the exact same situation!
Can't you, like, divert the guy's attention?

Is the problem guy himself, or more the organizational structure?
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>getting myself into a microsoft azure/spfx front-end position
How painful is this gonna be?
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>>92826536
>Can't you, like, divert the guy's attention?
Yeah do it like in Metal Gear Solid 2 where you lay down a magazine in the middle of the hallway and a guard just stops dead in his tracks to appreciate it. Do that on the guys way to work until you make him so consistently late that the company has no choice but to promote him up the chain and away from you.
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>>92826832
I meant something like:
1. Asking him to either to directly contribute on some concrete module. Since he is commenting at OP's coding, he probably isn't entirely without knowledge about the topic.

2. Asking him to solve some business problem that you have that doesn't require technical expertise. For example one time I had trouble with figuring out precise way to calculate tax on some operation. OP could ask his manager to solve this and then simply translate the solution to code.

Or simply ask the guy to fuck off - he probably doesn't enjoy managing single guy either. But he probably gotta have certain kind of relationship with him to suggest this without it being weird.
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I think I lucked out big time. Is it normal to get hired as a Junior Software Developer without having to go through a technical interview / test? Because that's what happened to me lmao.
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>>92826991
Never heard of it. But I know a guy who got a sysadmin position without anyone asking him about specific skills, because they were super desperate.
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>>92827049
Holy shit, I'm feeling pretty blessed right now, not gonna lie. I'd go into more details about it but I'll keep that for later.
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>>92826991
God bless
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300 applications in so far, got nothing back. Learn to code breh. Haha.
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>>92827470
You could also go for IT, you know. It's rewarding in its own way and the route to devops is always open.
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>>92827470
you're doing something catastrophically wrong
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>>92827535
i spam applications to US remote only jobs on linkedin with the easy apply feature
i live in canada and have zero experience as a self taught dev, which is why i'm not upset by the low response rate, this strategy has a very low percentage success rate
i just thought the number was funny
i'm going for 1,000 applications, let's go baby
the reason i do this is because for my first 30 applications i did research on each company and custom-tailored my resume + made a custom highly specific cover letter and sent in my applications to the company e-mails as well as through the job portals and still got nothing back, so i said "fuck it" and decided to go for the spammy "numbers game" approach
i'll keep you guys updated haha

>>92827508
as a self taught webdev with zero YoE is this viable? i'm 100% confident i can do the job well if i get it, but it seems very competitive
i doubt i'd even be able to land an interview, lol
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>>92827940
is your cv well formatted and readable by ats? forget humans, it's machines that filter you
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>>92827940
>self taught webdev with zero YoE
It's over.
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>>92823165
Thanks mister auto gpt. I didn't lie to him, I just meant 60% thru one site in response to a sitewide ticket. Nah she won't know, I prefer to bottle it up and abruptly ghost them when I find out they're vapid whores (everytime).
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>>92828127
not entirely sure, i've had people look over it and they said it was fine, but i have no idea how machines may interpret it
i'll go check that out, thanks for the suggestion
i normally juts chalked it up to "yeah the market's hard for zero YoE self taught/bootcampers right now"

>>92828173
i'll keep trucking along, let's hope for the best
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>>92826239
This is fucking strange. I cannot for the life of me think of why this would happen. Are you lying?
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>>92828273
I followed the advice of a jewish banker and it worked lmao, make it with word with as little fancy shit as you can (no tables or anything that breaks the flow), just things like plain text headers and bulleted lists. Use full dates, ATS is retarded. Be smart about how you cram magic words (team player, objective driven yadda yadda...). Make sure the pdf export works right (a quick test is to see if you can select the text with your mouse).
--- 92828571
Finally started applying to jobs last night, I'm gonna do it this time. I'm finally gonna make the jump from retail tech sales to helpdesk.
I've dealt with shitty people and their shitty problems for almost a decade, I can grind two+ years in a helpdesk to get into IT proper.
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>>92828571
Good luck friend. I'm thinking of doing the same
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>>92828571
What type of resume are you using to apply to helpdesk jobs? I'm a webdev hopeful, but I don't mind IT either.
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>>92828571
same anon, recently quit my blue-collar job to try to get Network and Security+ (already got A+)

we got this
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>>92828614
Thanks anon, the same to you. 
>>92828699
Super basic, two sentences introduction, skills first, then job experience. My dev friends said it's good.
>>92828735
You're out ahead of me, I refuse to do certs on a principle thing. At least out of my own pocket.
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>>92827940
US companies haven't hired remote non-US workers for ages. It's H1B, local, or bust and they particularly hate getting canadians for some reason. While canadians have access to TN status, which is a non-sponsor visa-like status (as the name indicates it's not actually a visa and it lets you work in the US for, in practice thanks to extensions, up to about 10 years, there's also such a thing as a TN visa but that's another story), this doesn't interest employers at all.It didn't used to be like that, but that changed sometimes before covid and didn't shift back during or after. In other words, that strategy is hopeless.
It's a shame, too, I tried the same and unlike at cucknadian companies where I get failed despite always acing the technical, I always hit the final interview at those companies in the US. US market is so fucking easy compared to anywhere else.
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>>92828840
>You're out ahead of me, I refuse to do certs on a principle thing
You are so dumb it hurts. You will never get a helpdesk position without certs or connections, period. Dumbfuck.
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What's a good certificate for IT? Or doing udemy courses works just fine?
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>>92829095
>Or doing udemy courses works just fine?
Holy fuck who told you to be this retarded?
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>>92829054
>Every helpdesk job I've applied for has customer service as a requirement and doesn't mention certs
Guess we'll see how that goes fucko.
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>>92829118
I'm a third worlder so i don't know much. Then i should get CCNA and AWS like everyone else?
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>>92826239
based Bob. Also, it means you're a 10x engineer they don't think will work without supervision.
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>>92829054
>>92829118
we have a condescending certtard over here
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>>92829216
>certtard
man, I hate playing "the game" but if you choose to play, that's a good way to play.
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>>92829179
yes
>>92829216
Come back when you've been applying to fucking helpdesk for 10 years and still got nothing, dumbfuck.
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Yep, no girl would like to settle with someone who still clings on to his stupid indie gamedev dream he does at home on his spare time
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anyone leaving this field for something else? i'm thinking about going into supply chain instead but desu i think talking to vendors is going to get frustrating fast. even more so than internal clients with their it problems but at least THEN i can blame someone else (most likely IT) LOL.
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tech workers, tell me about a time you refused a job offer. extra points if you laughed at the offer
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>>92829336
Considering learning a skilled trade myself. Not some meatgrinder 18 hour shift physical labor dogshit, but preferably something where I can actually find work that pays well.
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>>92829041
haha yeah my job hunt experience has lived up to this so far, thankfully easy apply makes is easy to spam out applications, but i have doubts that this strategy will work
gonna keep sending shit out and hope something sticks
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>>92823318
I feel your pain. It's like these Zoomer code monkeys can't just list what they know without trying to sound like some Silicon Valley startup's wet dream.

I blame the "learn to code" crowd and their "how to write a tech resume" articles. They're all about "sell yourself" and "make it sound impressive." These kids eat it up and churn out buzzword bingo on their resumes.

My advice? Just laugh and move on. Natural selection will weed out the ones who can't back up their claims with actual skills. Maybe they'll learn to write a proper resume after enough rejection.

>tfw when you just want a competent programmer but you have to wade through a sea of buzzword diarrhea to find them

And yes, I, too, would love to see the faces of these applicants when they receive their data-driven, agile, blockchain-powered toilet paper in the mail. That's the future we deserve.
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>33 yo, 3 yoe (bootshitter) mid engineer
>senior architect is 2 years older than me
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>>92829401
Trades generally don't pay all that well but I've been told that HVAC stuff is reasonably easy on the body and pays okay.
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>>92822644
chatgpt is superior. there are vs code extensions that let you add files then ask it what to do
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>>92823318
>Why do zoomers love buzzwords? Just read over a resume of college grad listing his skills in bullet points and I just wanted to share what not to write.
Because this is how the job market conditions people to write their resumes. People get more bites, more hits with bullshit flowery resumes than what you're asking for.

Be the change you want to see in the world. Throw the flowery resumes away and only hire people who don't waste your time. If enough recruiters start doing that, maybe the meta will change.
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>>92829551
I'm a zoomer and I don't do this. my resume is clean from bs
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>>92829468
>Trades generally don't pay all that well

compared to what, working in a mid-level tech-oriented position? sure, but they pay better than most. never met a sparky who couldn't buy whatever they wanted
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>>92823318
>>92829456
It's because even the smallest startup won't give you the time of day unless you do that in 2023, dumb boomers.
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>>92822529
You may have asked questions too specific to the codebase which they may have identified as a potential risk of leaks if people keep using it.
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>>92829583
In the US or 2 other countries max, they pay OK if you're willing to work 80 hours a week, destroy your body permanently, and also only for a few years at a time because there aren't that many jobs to fill your schedule the rest of the time.
In any other country even in these conditions they pay jack shit. Even a junior dev job makes more out of college than a journeyman does.
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>>92829041
>It's H1B, local, or bust
why is that? some tax-related reasons or just a cultural thing? I live in EU, and have been working directly for US startup for 2 years now as an independent contractor. though I admit it seems to be an exception, because I don't usually get offers from US-based companies, unless they have some sort of local branch.
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>>92829645
Not sure. I think it's tax + regulations. As I mentioned, it wasn't like that several years before covid, but I don't know exactly what changed.
> unless they have some sort of local branch.
Yes exactly, typically they structure so you're technically remote-working for the branch, even if your orders actually comes from the US and you work with the US team and the local office is actually just an empty room for $100 a month or something.
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>>92829633
>they pay OK if you're willing to work 80 hours a week, destroy your body permanently

I know union sparkies who work 50 hours a week with overtime paid after 7.5 hours each day. "Destroying your body" exists insofar as you have idiots who don't lift correctly, eat like garbage and let their physique fall into disrepair. You can meet fat slobs and robust old guys in any trade. I am speaking purely from an American/Canadian perspective tho. It probably sucks ass in other countries tho, you might have a point. There are benefits beyond the pay though...having a network of people who can lend you equipment and cut you deals on work you need done is awesome.
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>>92829776
>I know union sparkies who work 50 hours a week with overtime paid after 7.5 hours each day.
And they make 50-60k as journeymen while a fresh grad makes 90-120k.
>"Destroying your body" exists insofar as you have idiots who don't lift correctly, eat like garbage and let their physique fall into disrepair. 
Depends on the trade. You'll be immersed in toxic fumes all day and the mask is only getting so far, if you're a plumber for example. If you work construction, no amount of correct form will help your back breaking at 40. If you're a trucker, you'll never be able to eat anything but gas station food.
>There are benefits beyond the pay 
Big cope.
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>>92822100 (OP)
how do I start guessing what I might need to bypass at work to play a browser game at work?

I doubt remote shell to my own machine would be enough. I asking mostly to learn something rather than complete spoon-feeding. It's a big corporation and the WAN networking seems complex and I'm on a position where I have any network access, I got to request even internal IPs.
--- 92830103
stupid furry fucker just do shit on your work laptop, nobody really gives a shit and if you ACTUALLY gave a shit you would just bring a second laptop or something
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>>92830103
Big corpo they give a shit and I want to learn. So far I worked in places with MAN or LAN sized networks so just enabling reverse shell of proxy chain was enough there.

Also I'm not a furry, I just like funny animals
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>>92829855
>And they make 50-60k as journeymen while a fresh grad makes 90-120k.
it's funny you didn't mention the paid school lol

>Depends on the trade.
Wrong about plumber, wrong about construction, correct about trucker and that's why I refused to become one.
>Big cope
Except it's really not long term once you create a network of tradies. When you open your own business, that network is your net worth
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>>92830069
Ohayo averi-chan~ :3
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>>92830069
you need access to the firewall. most of that shit is individually blocked on the firewall, which is why parts of some websites dont load. also, i think you are a real faggot for posting furry shit.
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>>92830209
>it's funny you didn't mention the paid school lol
It's funny you don't mention the paid tradeschool followed by the virtually unpaid apprenticeship for 4 years.
>Wrong about plumber, wrong about construction
Stop listening to nonsense on /pol/ and go talk to actual tradesmen in real life.
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>>92830069
also, just because you can request internal IPs doesnt mean you have access to much.
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Hey wageniggers
Do any of the companies you work at have any scholarships or grants for college students available
I missed Amazon's thing and have no money
18yo btw
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>>92830236
I have never used /pol/ and I just spent the last two years in a trade lol. Unpaid apprenticeship??? Who the actual fuck lol

Ironically, listening to tradies is why I'm here now and pursuing a tech career. They didn't tell me off because of lack of cash, either.
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>>92830259
What did the tradies tell you? Here in West Canada, software developer pay is so shitty, that you may as well learn a trade for a healthier job market.
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>>92830259
>$10 an hour is not virtually unpaid
the absolute cope, you clearly have never been anywhere near a trade.
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>be NEET
>want to do something productive
>learn to code
>hate it, absolutely zero enjoyment
>be disciplined, stick with it
>fast foward almost 2 years
>applying to programming jobs
>still hate it, but need money
>confident that i'll be able to land a job eventually
>worried that i'll be miserable until i retire
I might have fucked up, bros. I hate webshit with every fibre of my being.
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>>92830301
>What did the tradies tell you?
With their words, and also with their actions, they made it clear that the money wasn't really worth it if you could do anything else UNLESS you planned to dig in and create your own business. A lot of them are the old breed, guys who would never think to stretch after work or ever get a massage for a reoccuring soreness so I didn't take the "this body pays the bills" stuff TOO seriously but the overall physical demands of trades put you in a scenario where you have to ask yourself "is my job enjoyable enough to work through cold and heat?"

It's less about having the hardiness to do said things, and more about whether your time is best spent there. And I concluded that long term I'd have to commit to a certain path and lifestyle that I simply didn't want to do. Also, I started to hate traveling for work. Driving 3 hours to the coast and then driving back the same day because the PM is a cheap POS who doesn't feel like filling out 2 forms to get a crew a hotel...just arduous.
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>>92830347
never met an apprentice in my life so underpaid, we might simply occupy different realities. decent troll job if that's what you're doing, if not you must live in the absolute worst state/nation ever
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>>92830422
I know you've never met an apprentice, nor any other kind of tradie. It's been pretty clear from your posts so far. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night timmy.
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Hey anons, I am applying for a job but I've never worked before, I am applying as a frontend dev and the application form says current title do I just leave it as empty or do I write in my desired title
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>>92830391
The good thing about tech jobs is that you can reitre after like 5 years.
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>>92830442
Please don't make me fish out all the PPE and tools I've "acquired" out of my trunk
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I'm starting to develop a type of low energy that 8 hours of sleep and coffee don't fix. The fuck do I do now?
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>>92830535
Did you go to a doctor
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>>92830452
if you have never worked before, bullshit some previous jobs. you are currently some form of a junior dev. they are asking for your current job title. remember, bullshitting stuff on your resume is all about convincing yourself enough that you can convince someone else.
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>>92829461
you think that's bad? I've seen 26yo team leads
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>>92830535
has it persisted more than a couple of weeks? humans have natural energy cycles -- it's normal to feel tired for no reason for limited amounts of time. other than that, see a dietician and start taking up little tricks to get blood/adrenaline flowing, like screaming or impromptu jumping jackets
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>>92830391
>I hate webshit with every fibre of my being
More than retail? More than being a janitor? More than helpdesk? More than factory line work? More than cashier? More than bartender?
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>>92830474
Well done on self-owning yourself this easily.
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>>92830663
>More than being a janitor? More than helpdesk? 
Yes
> More than cashier? More than bartender?
Absolutely.
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>>92830753
lol, how sad you are. you never get to talk to people like this IRL so I get it
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I'm a bathtub mermaid.
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>>92830642
It's been maybe two weeks now. I didn't know about the energy cycle thing though. I was starting to think my caffeine tolerance was getting too high or something.
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>>92830663
Yes.
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>>92829284
>he had to do ccna for helpdesk 
lmao you must have 50 iq cause i got helpdesk without any certification goysloppery
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>>92831206
larp
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>>92830766
>>92831098
Fantastic news then, you can stop bitching immediately and find work in one of those by tomorrow.
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>>92830391
>confident that i'll be able to land a job eventually
damn, i've got a cs degree and even i'm not confident about this one
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>>92822100 (OP)
>boss turns of the internet and asks me to code "hello world"
literally my worst fear
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>>92829041
it's an absolute shame. Maybe there are too many low-quality pajeet devs trying to come in from Cananda? Sometimes I feel it would be easier to cross the mexican border and hang out at home depot for jobs.
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>>92831528
Virtually anyone who lands in canada does so in hopes of going to the US, usually after being refused entry into the US, or sometimes just waiting to be picked in the H1B lottery.
But that couldn't possibly explain it because obviously interviewers could then decide on a case-by-case basis using the name. Also I will admit that canadians in canada are really bad at everything they do, including tech, but that's hardly a reason for the current situation as that was more than acceptable to americans in, say, 2015.
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>>92830603
you aren't going to make it
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>>92829041
I think the US has been trying to shift to more protectionist policy in general, especially since COVID. This could affect foreign hiring I guess.