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Amazing how this show alone had more soul than anything produced in the 90s and 00s.
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>>136645253 (OP)
Kiss him
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>>136645253 (OP)
you're just old anon. Or some zoomer TF fanboy trying to please greasy old boomers.
I was once the later
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>>136645373
Delet this.
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this again?
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>>136645505
>coming up with a plan
he just let starscream fuck himself over. is that really a plan? doing nothing?
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>>136645505
What's the deal with Primal and Beast Wars in general? I don't know anything about the show and I can't tell if people loathe or love it.
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>>136645538
Sometimes crazy works.
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>>136645720
Primal is basically an unrelated character to Optimus Prime who just shares his name as an honorary thingBW exists because the Transformers franchise was basically in the guttter in the early 90's, with the toylines not selling well. So they decided to overhaul it entirely. Despite apprehension at first, a lot of the fandom ended up enjoying it.
I guess the best comparison is Star trek TOS to TNG.
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>>136645538
Sometimes a good plan is just letting your enemies shit plan fall apart. That, and optimus did let himself get fake captured so that he could retrieve all the weapons they stowed in the hold because of the storm, that counts I guess
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>>136645538
Starscream self-sabotaging is like the sun setting. You might have to wait a little while for it to happen, but it will always happen, without fail.
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>>136645253 (OP)
I miss this Optimus prime

He could actually have fun
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>>136646308
Guy backwards dunked. Prime is a G.
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>>136646308
That's a big basketball
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>>136645818
Nice revisionism
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>>136647953
Not him, but what's revisionist about what he said?

>>136645720
Primal is the best good guy leader after G1 Optimus (in Beast Wars not Beast Machines). Beast Wars is generally pretty popular, haters of it are more niche than fans of it.

>>136645378
As someone who grew up in the 90s, I loved G1 too. It's a fun show.
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>>136646308
silaszee?
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>>136645253 (OP)
>90s and 00s.
MIB Animated Series and Ghost Busters were also kino. 
https://youtu.be/Slo0gbsIJR4 [Embed]
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nothing comes close
https://youtu.be/ESULpa50IRA [Embed]
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>>136649122
It was nice when Jazz was all the diversity you needed in a TF series
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>>136645253 (OP)
As some1 who grew up with late2000s TF (Animated, Bay, etc), G1 aged very gracefully all things considered... when it was a good episode, at least. For every sincerely well-written and fun ep, there's one or two utterly terrible ones, where the writer was just on autopilot trying to pump out a script by his deadline. There's so many awful plots of "and suddenly, the autobots go to a world that's a generic 80s fantasy movie!" or "generic undercooked 80s scifi planet!"
I don't hold it against the writers though, I get why they exist. And fwiw those episodes probably didn't get many reruns in favor of the sincerely fun ones, I imagine, lol. Just a shame the show isn't consistently entertaining I guess, like something like RiD2000.

>>136649337
Except it literally wasn't? The one thing I'll never forgive the G1 toon for is singlehandedly ruining female transformers to this very day: they just drew generic pink fembots and called it a day, and now in the FUTURE every time somebody tries/tried making a female transformer from scratch, 9 times out of 10 they make... a generic fembot that *isn't* pink. Yay progress!!
And don't you fucking dare give me your "uhh it was the 80s!" bullshit, GOBOTS literally aired earlier and Crasher is right fucking there!!! A perfect female transformer design! Fuck!
Also you forgot Blaster exists :^]
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>>136649688
>the autobots go to a world that's a generic 80s fantasy movie!" or "generic undercooked 80s scifi planet!"
I love that shit, it's so silly but it's part of the charm for me, also knowing we'll never get anything that out there again makes it special

As for the G1 fembots, yeah they're pretty generic, but I mean it was a boy centric show. Crasher is one of the few things Gobots had over Transformers, but let's be honest it's cause she's a villain and villains are always more fun. I would say there's quite a bit of variety in modern female Transformers though, I don't think they're all generic or at least not in every portrayal....we got Blackarachnia, Airazor, Strika, Airachnid, Strongarm, Windblade, Slipstream, Shadow Striker, and of course the mulriple versions of Arcee which tend to change from show to show
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>>136650378
It does have its own charm in how unfitting and out of left-field it is, but eh, personally I had way more fun with stuff like the New York episode from S2, that had literally every single "New York" trope shoved in like a kid playing with their toys and what their idea of "New York" would be. The episode where Megatron+Starscream get frozen and the triplechangers each attempt their own brand of hair-brained schemes to take over the world also got a lotta unexpected laughs outta me, as did the first Starscream's Ghost ep (why the HELL have they never brought back Octane? I fucking love this guy). I guess I just tend to prefer stuff that gives the characters chances to show their individuality, desu.

Yeah, you mentioned quite a few I liked. My favorite fem TF designs over the years are probably Minerva (from Supergod Masterforce), BW Airazor, TFA's Strika and Slipstream + its takes on Arcee and Red Alert, Cyberverse Shadow Striker, and BB movie's Shatter. Also Cybertron's Override, even tho that's technically dub revisionism from being originally male - the design does work well as a girl fwiw. TFA's Blackarachnia is also fantastic even though her design definitely leans into stereotypically female aesthetics, but it makes sense since it's part of her character, and her toy proves that it didn't at all come at the cost of her alt mode, which is the most important thing for me.
I dunno tho, Windblade and the many Arcees over the years kinda feel like they exemplify my problem with fem TFs, is the thing; it feels like they're clinging too tightly to "correct" human anatomy, it makes them come off pretty boring visually. Even TFA Arcee plays it pretty safe, just translated into its artstyle n' with a more achievable car than G1; I like Prime Arcee though, her sharp angles are fun design choices... even if her model's waist is bizarrely soft/smooth looking... hmm.....
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>>136645720
Beast Wars takes place 300 years after G1*. The Autobot/Decepticon war is long over and their successors, the Maximals and Predacons, live in uneasy peace.

Megatron (not the G1 one, a different guy using the same name) and his crew of rebels steal the Golden Disk, an artifact that supposedly contains the coordinates to a large source of Energon. With this Energon, Megatron could gain enough power to restart the war and claim victory for the Predacons. They flee in their ship. 

The only ship in the area able to chase them is a Maximal exploration ship, led by Optimus Primal (again, different guy). The Predacons activate their TransWarp drive, with the Maximals locked on to them. TransWarp allows warping through space AND time, and both ships emerge in orbit of an unknown, undeveloped planet. They battle in space, each managing to cripple the other. Both ships crash land on the planet.

Megatron's gambit has paid off - too well. The planet has both figurative and literal MOUNTAINS of Energon, but it's in a raw, unprocessed state. It's also insanely harmful to Cybertronians, just a few minutes exposed to a crystal's radiation will kill them. Both the Maximals and Predacons scan the local wildlife to take on organic modes, which will shield them from the Energon while in beast mode.

As both sides fight over the Energon, another problem occurs: They're not the first alien life on the planet. And the ones that were there first aren't too happy about the disruption the Beast Wars are causing.

Now we get into SPOILER territory. ACTUAL SPOILERS AHEAD: The reason Megatron fled to this planet wasn't actually for its Energon deposits. The planet is Earth. Earth, 4 million years before the Autobots and Decepticons wake up. Megatron's plan is kill the original Optimus Prime while he's comatose. Without their great leader, the Autobots will lose the war and the Predacons of the present will rule Cybertron.
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>>136651417
*BW isn't actually connected to any existing G1 story. It mixes elements from the cartoon and comics and adds some brand new stuff, creating a brand new G1 backstory for its own use.
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>>136645720
>>136651417
As for fan perception... Beast Wars is one of the most beloved Transformers series.
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>>136645253 (OP)
 OP and Megs own so much of my headspace it scares me.
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>>136645253 (OP)
He-Man was better tbqh
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>>136648946
This comic is retarded, but that stupid shit about Bumblebee talking through his radio is the worst thing to ever stick from the Bay movies.
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>>136645253 (OP)
Nostalgia glasses. 

You are only remembering the emotional high points of the series, but 90% of the actual show runtime was garbage and doesn't hold up 30 years later.
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>>136651734
It holds up as fun.
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>>136651734
You people can watch this show right now. It's not like everyone has fuzzy memories from 40 years ago.
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>>136651861
Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's. It was reran in the early 90s, and during the 2010s on Hub/Discovery Family, not to mention people who saw it other ways than watching it on TV
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>>136651927
Do people who always say nostalgia filters wonder where all these webms and clips of the shows keep coming from
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>>136645396
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Has anybody here read the Marvel TF comics? How well do they hold up writing-wise, today? I'm wondering if it's worth giving them a shot.
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>>136652029
Not that I think only guys 45 and older are the only ones who care about G1, but it's not like 45+ year olds STOPPED using the internet or don't make Webms/GIFs. 
I still hear posters here talking about watching G1 in the 80's.
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>>136652164
The Marvel stuff, especially the UK and the last few years of US material(that Simon Furman wrote) were held in very high esteem by the TF fandom for the longest time. There's a reason so many TF fans demanded he get brought back for later comics. The writing can feel a bit clunky and there's some modern nuances of the franchise in general that later series refined, and there's a lot of characters and only 12 issues a year so there's a lot of juggling. But it's definitely cool to check out, if a bit hard to binge in a single go.
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>>136652182
Yeah and I doubt the last time most of the people who post on these boards watched this stuff was in the 80's. It's a good guess that most people are well aware of the show with all it's flaws.
This stuff was still better than all the other crap of the time (and there was a lot). There's reasons why these showed embedded themselves in the hearts of so many fans, warts and all.
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>>136651734
The 2000s sucked zoomie
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>>136652313
We had Tony Hawk and Bionicle, learn your fucking place and get back to polishing my boots, slave. 1999-2012 was peak culture from amongst all of humanity's existence.
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>>136652358
Both went downhill after around 2004. Sliders was cooler anyway.
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>>136646308
After the movie they forgot how G1 Optimus could be chill at times and how he was always quick with a sick burn against Megatron or other Decepticons. Now whenever they bring Peter Cullen back they have whatever Optimus he voices be this super stoic leader with virtually none of the original cartoon Op's charisma. I don't know if it's because Cullen is old and they adjust the characters to suit him as he can't act as lively as he used to or they just think that's what G1 fans want out of their Optimus Primes.
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>>136653222
>not thinking the Ignition saga was the tightest shit
Sounds like a skill issue to me, desudesudesu.
And sure extreme sports went out of fashion by the latter half of the 2000s, but by then we also had Linkin Park and Guitar Hero so honestly it balances out. (Being more on-topic for /co/, unironically 2004-2012 was the last big hurrah for American action toons; feels like everything quality was instantaneously, forcibly killed off the moment the year became 2013...)
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>>136646168
I liked Starscream because he always inadvertently helped the autobots win. He’s their fool.
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>>136650951
>The episode where Megatron+Starscream get frozen and the triplechangers each attempt their own brand of hair-brained schemes to take over the world also got a lotta unexpected laughs outta me
Yeah that one is great lol, I love it, so dumb yet fun.

Also yeah, nice fembots. Shatter is cool, definitely my type of character, for me she was pretty much the main thing I enjoyed about Bumblebee.
>TFA's Blackarachnia is also fantastic even though her design definitely leans into stereotypically female aesthetics, but it makes sense since it's part of her character
Yeah, it's kind of part of her legacy, she's one character where any version of her kinda should always lean into that just because, she is the original femme fatale bot
>I dunno tho, Windblade and the many Arcees over the years kinda feel like they exemplify my problem with fem TFs, is the thing; it feels like they're clinging too tightly to "correct" human anatomy, it makes them come off pretty boring visually
I can see that point, I'm not one of those people who thinks fembots need to all have a barbie doll thing going on. I mean they are robots after all and Arcee (or rather those based on her G1 look) has notoriously had a hard time with toys because of the insistence on maintaining her doll like physique that usually doesn't work swimmingly with a transforming toy.

Gotta say though my favorite fembots are probably Airachnid and Flamewar, the former just because I love her psycho killer ass. The latter is more just I've always liked her general deco and like motorbike Transformers, she hasn't had much characterization and I really want her to be in a show....I'm not a big IDW guy at all but I really liked her characterization in IDW2, wouldn't mind if she kept that personality should she ever reappear in a more prominent role.
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>>136646308
>>136653367
I'd say it's mostly the latter probably. Optimus today is known as this larger-than-life, figurehead of justice that gives impressive speeches (hell, even Cyberverse riffed on that a bit).
The one big exception being Animated of course, which felt like if you fused (S1/2) G1 Prime with Optimus Primal. Morally righteous, can give a good speech/knows how to inspire his Autobots, can still crack a joke and have fun; but is also young and inexperienced with a bit of an edgy streak, who isn't incapable of letting his emotions get to him.
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>>136653540
Yeah, I really liked Animated's take on Prime. Primal was good too until Beast Machines.
Never really watched much of the first RiD or the Armada trilogy so can't say much on their Optimus Primes.
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>>136645253 (OP)
I like Armada better
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>>136652313
Yeah but at least it was better for Transformers than the 80s
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>>136653599
I'd recommend watching an abridged version of Armada with fansubs, I actually found its take on Optimus really fun. For the majority of the show I just thought he was autistic, bc he always seemed to have trouble making fairly basic decisions that are very obviously "good," but then the finale reveals a darker side to his character that put everything into perspective. Sincere spoilers: During the finale, after teaming up to defeat Unicron, Megatron offers OP a final battle to settle their score, right as Unicron's planet form is tearing itself apart. Instead of seeing his partners off, he pulls out his Matrix and tosses it to the side, telling them to leave him. They then have an absolutely fucking brutal fight, tearing eachother apart, completely consumed by their battle-fueled adrenaline... finally Megatron gets dragged away into a black hole forming in Unicron's core, and there is an explosion. One of the episode's last shots is of Optimus, conscious, limply drifting through the wreckage... he turns his head to look at it, and bitterly mutters "I don't deserve it..."
You have NO IDEA how ready I was to see where they would take his character with this direction, it was like if it were Bay Optimus but more intriguing... Then I remembered the next series was Energon/Superlink, and I still haven't watched it lmao. Maybe someday; I also need to watch Galaxy Force, esp bc it's disconnected from the first two.

RiD2000 Fire Convoy is pretty great, but not too deep. He's just a very entertaining guy; very "pumped up!!" in a Y2K anime way, but also very levelheaded and frank. Like when he paused a battle with Skybite just to politely explain that his "poem" was bad, lmao. RiD2000's a really fucking good time bro.

As a bonus bc I watched it recently, BWII's Lio Convoy (I felt) was p underdeveloped like most of the show, but he was the standard morally-righteous Prime etc. Except the part where he refused to pay child support, for a while..
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>>136653786
Shoot, mistyped in the spoiler:
I meant to say "he noticed his Matrix float past him, and he turns to look at it"
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>>136653786
Big Convoy is a dad OP that solves every single issue by shooting at it and has a computer wife.
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>>136653882
That sounds fucking awesome, I totally gotta get to Neo soon. 
Prolly after I watch Victory, which's another I really wanna get to, especially since Star Saber is also a literal father to an adopted kid; G1 OP was already like a cool uncle figure to IRL kids, why NOT give them in-universe ones?
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>>136653531
>Airachnid
Yeah I can see that, she was definitely at least unique among the Prime cast for sure. Writing-wise she wasn't quite to my tastes, cuz I felt her role with Arcee was a kinda redundant given Starscream+Cliffjumper existed too, but I WILL say I was really tickled by the ending to that zombie episode, with her having also been infected but now on the moon. That's the perfect kind of pulpy "horror" ending to both the episode and her character, lmao.

>Flamewar
Ah shoot, I haven't read many of the comics (for IDW, I only read MTMTE/LL). Would you say giving IDW2 a shot is worth it? I'm curious what people think of it now in retrospect, now that it's over.
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>>136652164
It's not the best, the first 10ish issues are really rough but things start to come together and you get those sweet classic marvel vibes with the colouring and the art style. Don't miss out on the ads if you can. Gets more and more lore heavy, especially at the end, with occasional toy selling diversions (Micromasters are the biggest culprit in my opinion, they show up and disappear almost immediately).
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>>136653639
Nothing in the 00s tops this, now it's your nostalgia talking
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>>136653786
>Except the part where he refused to pay child support, for a while
 and he never did since Neo revealed he got sent back to the past before the events of Transformers The Movie and Generation Selects Final revealed he got back to the future by waiting it out so he technically spent thousands of years away from his son
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>>136654020
>cuz I felt her role with Arcee was a kinda redundant given Starscream+Cliffjumper existed too
Yeh it was a little redundant, just done to make the two girls rivals, and her having a personal rivalry with Arcee at all probably didn't need to be a thing, but I enjoyed her character overall, she hit all the right notes for me just as a character type and I like her design, not to mention helicopter Transformers are another one of my favorites.
>Would you say giving IDW2 a shot is worth it?
Eh....not really unless you're really particularly interested, nothing that interesting really happens, they meandered with the story early on setting up a lot of different things, then they lost the license. I actually stopped reading it after a while so I can't give an objective opinion about how it wrapped up, but a lot of it feels like a slow burn and setup for tons of characters and knowing it prematurely ended makes it feel kinda pointless.

Slipstream, Shadow Striker, and Flamewar had a fun dynamic though and liking them was my main takeaway. I was glad to see Flamewar get some action.
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>>136654189
THE BASTARD!!
Also >Sakamoto's mangas
Geez that stuff is a goddamn rabbithole, it always sounds like. I wonder if it's all been translated or naw...
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>>136654293
Yeah, that seems to be what I thought sadly. I remember trying to read it when it was fresh, but the burn was too slow for me and I lost interest in the political drama. Maybe it's my attention span's fault? Iunno...
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>>136652029
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>>136651927
>Yeah idk why people assume everyone who likes G1 is a 45 year old who hasn't seen it since the 80's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaVcpfncOWs [Embed]

I'm 45 years old, born in 1978, and haven't watched it since the 80's. No bullshit. Saw the animated movie on opening day in 1986 and cried like a little bitch when Optimus died. Watched the later seasons but after the movie it just couldn't compete. I will say that season 3 has the best theme!!!FACT!!! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aASYfqP9414 [Embed]
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>>136645253 (OP)

AND I SWEAR TO CEILING CAT ALMIGHTY THAT IF I EVER WIN THE POWERBALL I'LL MAKE PHOTOREALISTIC CGI 3D ANIMATED REMAKES OF TRANSFORMERS THE MOVIE, G.I. JOE THE MOVIE AND AKIRA!!!FACT!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ah2I166f_U [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtIkomod6uQ [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ah2I166f_U [Embed]
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>>136651693
>He-Man was better tbqh

I loved He-Man too but it never had that iconic animated movie that Transformers or G.I. Joe did. Closest was He-Man and She-Ra: The Secret of the Sword which felt cheap and I still remember watching it at the theater.

This is the song I sung to my wife on our wedding day....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbvHem94cPA [Embed]

!!!FACT!!!
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Everyone sleeps on GI Joe desu.
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>>136654659
Why the fuck would you want photorealistic cgi remakes of those movies? 

>GI Joe vs the snake people (the intro is literally the only good part of the movie)
>Akira (is well remembered because it's a 1980s anime)
>Transformers (like GI Joe only the first part is actually good. All the stuff with the Junkicons, Galvatron, heck even Unicron really bogs down the movie). Also Transformers has 3D CGI shows already so.....
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>>136654995
Wrong on all accounts, go back to Steven Universe please
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LwzTNgcRc8 [Embed]
Is Beast Wars the best? TJOmega says ye
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>>136646308
Aye. Sure, war veteran who saw a whole lot of slag happening on Cybertron during the Autobot and Decepticon war...but do they have to make him some turbo-stoic bot?
Allow Optimus to be not so above it all and be chill.
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>>136655192
Depends on taste, man.
BW is great but the toy commercial aspects start getting heavier in S2/3, which doesn't ruin the show but does drag it down a bit.
Animated is the closest contender but is conversely dragged down a bit by its front half, with the supervillains needing a bit more character depth (sans Headmaster, whose entertainment value alone made him worth keeping around).
RiD2000 is consistent Y2kino action and comedy.
Rescue Bots is comfy and wholesome, with character depth to rival Animated.
Victory, Armada, Galaxy Force, and Prime all have unique and fun spins on what today became G1 status quo, making them all stand on their own.
And G1 cartoon is really fun when you're on a good episode.

It literally all depends on what you personally want out of a TF show.

The real question is why the hell are you watching TJOmega of all TF youtubers, that guy's the worst of them all..
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>>136652060
What's this style called?
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>>136655192
The setting itself had ton of potential with making G1 into some mystical stuff of legends and how Cybertron and its people differed from G1 pre-war Cybertron...and then Beast Machines came and ruined it all.

We need a new Beast Wars. One that is not a rehash of the original and instead a completely new story. One that also dives deeper into Maximals and Predacons along with changes after the Great War between Autobots and Decepticons.
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>>136652164
It starts fine, starts to drag a bit into it as Hasbro's demanding of new toys being front and center started to take a toll on Bob Budiansky and he had to keep shuffling an ever growing cast around to showcase the new toys and adjusting plots as needed to do so. Eventually just decides to go "KILL 'EM ALL" via the Underbase Saga and wipes out almost all the 84-85 cast (and even a good chunk of recently released toys at that time like the Seacons). Once Budiansky gets burnt out and hands the reigns to Furman the stories start gelling together better and since the toyline was entering it's twilight years in the last two years or so of the comic the cast starts to stabilize and some of the old cast even comes back too.
Unfortunately the comic was canceled while Furman still had a few plot threads in motion so he had to rush to an ending which wasn't that satisfactory for 80 issues of build-up.

Also a fun fact: Megatron wasn't actually the Decepticon leader for that long in the comic as he got ousted by Shockwave fairly early, reclaimed it for a short period but then got kicked out of the plot for years and never formally retakes leadership until the Generation 2 comic. Leadership went Megatron, Shockwave, Megatron, Ratbat, Scorponok (and a splinter cell of Shockwave and Starscream) and ends with Bludgeon. 
Also a good amount of movie characters never appeared in the US comic including Ultra Magnus.
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>>136654427
If Energon, the substance that is like both water and oil to them, makes them drunk, then the war lasting as long as it usually does makes a lot more sense now.
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>>136653540
Animated Prime is best boy
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>>136654627
based crier
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>>136645253 (OP)
>Implying seasons 2-4 had soul
They were just spinning their wheels after season 1.
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>>136655323
I like TJOmega DESU, personal views notwithstanding, his content I think is pretty good and he knows the toys well and has a lot of real experience with them that's comfy to hear about since he's been collecting since back in the day. I mainly only pay attention to the toy review side of TF youtube anyway, but I can deal with TJ's fiction and lore shit as an aside which for most I won't bother. A lot of people don't really offer personal insight but just basically read shit off wikis and give summaries of shit I already know about which I don't really need (looking at you McFeely I know you post here)
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>>136655192
it's my favorite and i just pretend Beast Machines never happened

>>136655323
>BW is great but the toy commercial aspects start getting heavier in S2/3, which doesn't ruin the show but does drag it down a bit
the only thing i can really think of would be Tigerhawk which was crap but pretty inconsequential overall

or maybe you're referring to new characters taking the place of old but honestly Quickstrike and Inferno had way more personality than Scorponok and Terrorsaur so i welcome that
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>>136656525
Inferno and Quickstrike WERE improvements over the ones they replaced. My gripes were with Tigerhawk, and all the bullshit dedicated to advertising "omg transmetals!!" Even if it was stupid superfluous nonsense like Dinobot II, or Cheetor's random evolution into an angsty teen who really wants to fuck. It also doesn't help that the transmetal forms themselves were all easily WAY goddamn uglier than the characters' original forms; I only tolerate Megatron's first TM form, because him having heelies and jet turbines is extremely silly in the good way.
But yeah, all of the above just really stank of "we're having our story manipulated because the toy company wants us to advertise toys." It wasn't done naturally at all, unlike future shows where most upgrades or new characters are introduced way more organically, and with more purpose.
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>>136656617
oh i see eh i didn't mind the Transmetal stuff much to me it made sense to make them be like mutation type things since BW was all about the technorganic themes it fit the series to me 

i also liked the look of Transmetals only one i hated wad Optimus Primal but Tarantulas is based and I like the rest fine...I even like Transmetal 2s in their edgelord 90s style

i will say one thing i disliked about Transmetals was the common lack of guns and switch to melee weapon but thats more of an action figures complaint since the show did not really stick strictly to the lame things like whips....they kept guns in the show and invented some weapons and i will say Cheetors energy blasts were lame
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>>136651927
Born in 78. Loved the show. The movie was awesome with killing so many transformers. And Spike and Ultra Magnus cursed. I loved that watching in the theater that it wasn’t dumbed down for kids.
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>>136654142
Everything went to shit in the 00s
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>>136651927
The Hub was a small-ass channel whose top rated shows failed to break 80 000 viewers on brand new episodes sometimes. It is just mathematically very unlikely to find young fans of it.
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>>136645505
Could you fuck off with this post
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>>136657143
There's also the fact that it's been free on youtube and streaming sites like tubi for a long time.
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>>136654142

>prime dies
>he turns gray

THATS NOT HOW METAL WORKS
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>>136646168
Eh, something something laws of probability and usually being immortal.

More justifiably, it's usually a matter of how much trouble a Starscream high on the Underbase/AllSpark/Omega Lock/Primus's energy/Enigma of Combination/Matrix/Warworld etc. can cause and how many bots he can take down in the meantime.

Underbase didn't really have that excuse though.
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>>136654932

the GI Joe movie had to be changed at the last minute before release after the backlash of the transformers movie and them killing off popular characters. Duke didnt die, he was "in a coma and alive" in the revised ending.
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>>136657890
Alien metal alloy, same reason most things don't make them rust or degrade.
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>>136657932
The Joes have survived worse being fair, like Snake Eyes literally being irradiated so badly he was fucking glowing and his life span dropped by a day to hours only to be saved by some fuckin old guy.
Real crime is the fact they dropped the Season 2 plotline of everyone hating Serpentor and wanting Cobra Commander back because the movie was written before it was dumb. I wanted it to be my lad Cobra Commander's time to shine than another fucking Cobra-La plot
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>>136657983
The Joe movie had to up the scale and threat level, like the Transformers did with Unicron.
If not Cobra La, it would have been something else bigger than normal Cobra, they used for the film.
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>>136658033
Desu its pretty simple, just have Cobra Commander stage an Armageddon mutually assured destruction plot across the entire world by seizing nuke stockpiles across the world as a REAL threat to the entire world and demanding the world powers submit or their major population centers be utterly destroyed with only those on Cobra Island to be spared to repopulate the world. High stakes enough for the Joes and gives Cobra a real air of menace for the time period like any classic action movie.
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>>136658110
That sounds like it could just be on the normal season.
New movie, you have to introduce new toys. New scope. Bigger and badder!
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>>136645253 (OP)
Troonsformers: Weirdos in Disguise
Hardly
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>>136653786

So Armada Prime is a Prime who wants to be G1 Prime but his inner nature is Bayverse Prime?
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>>136658135
True, I guess there's always Destro tries to upstage Cobra Commander by pulling some bullshit out of his ass with the Iron Grenadiers with an even superior version of BATs that are basically terminators while staging a plot to rob the world's natural resources for an automated factory that pumps out superweapons like theyre nothing for an all out brawl between Cobra, Destro and the Joes.
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Kiss Players was kino
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I remembered coming across a G1 kids book that did Starscream becomes an autobot before Armada, but I cant find any trace of it and I'm wondering if I imagined it or mixed it up.

It was a very standard 'villain gets amnesia' episodic plot
>Starscream gets amnesia and is saved by the autobots
>Even though he's their enemy, they realise he's not a threat right now, treat him well and he joins them on an escepade.
>Starscream enjoys being with them but recovers his memories and goes back to his old ways
>Secretly regrets it a bit and compares how well the Autobots treated each other compared to the Decepticons

I think it's amnesia, though it might have been a ploy pretending to switch sides and then actually finding himself liking it.

There might have been something about a volcano?
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>>136651927
>not to mention people who saw it other ways than watching it on TV
There is also an international divide. The G1 and Beast shows were never shown in my country because people in the 80s and 90s were too poor to afford the toys and so networks didn't bother to import the cartoons. Only older TF fans watched them on foreign TV networks and they also read the Marvel comics. Most younger TF fans grew up with the Bay movies, the Unicron trilogy and Prime because only those were distributed here, but they refuse to watch G1 and BW because they can't stand the designs, the art styles and they don't understand the English dialogue because these shows were never dubbed here.
As a result, there is a massive divide between the TF fan generations. It's mostly the old fans who still care for G1 and the Beast era. There's a younger part of the fanbase that fucking hates G1 and BW, and they also hated the Bumblebee movie because it was "too G1" for them. They also already hate the upcoming Rise of the Beasts movie.
I at least showed G1 and BW to my brother when he was a young kid, so he likes all the different TF eras.
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>>136655905
They over-energized
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>>136658135
How's this: COBRA launches its own space station and purposely triggers a Kesseler syndrome, cutting off Earth and G.I. Joe. You still want to launch or maintain a satellite? You got to talk to COBRA now, very reasonable rates. And if you don't like it, you get some large metallic objects dropped on your head.With the ultimate high ground, the future is you getting teabagged by Cobra, forever.
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>>136660256
It was some anthology book with multiple stories from across the franchises. I read about it before on the wiki but can't remember what the book's actual name was.
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>>136659752
I mean it was responsible for the larger JG1 continuity and it has a lesbian getting cucked by Optimus Prime
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>>136648385
>Not him, but what's revisionist about what he said?
Not that anon but it's probably about the whole truck not monkey outrage.
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>>136665707
>>136647953
I did say "a lot" of the fandom, not all of it.
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>>136667383
Rare season 3 Soundwave.
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>>136654427
>energon is actually booze
No wonder they’re all retarded. They’re alcoholics.
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>>136659752
Glit should be retcon into coming to Earth with the original Decepticons. 

So not only do the 1984 Decepticons finally get a medic, but Ravage gets a”twin” like Rumble/Frenzy and Laserbeak/Buzzsaw.
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>>136665490
>it has a lesbian getting cucked by Optimus Prime
It's OK, Hot Rod fucked her straight.
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>>136653222
>Sliders was cooler anyway
Not him but MAN O MAN I have never seen a show fall off so hard as Sliders did. It's basically a ship of Theseus by the end, they did everybody so dirty it's not even funny. Season 4 had some alright moments, like the "haunted" hotel episode and the world where Quinn fucked up and slid everyone else on earth to another dimension
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>>136668385
Sliders was a precursor to how Fox would treat all of its sci-fi shows going forth, not named X-Files.
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>>136668432
That's funny, I watched most of x-files afterwards to fill the void and it only solidified my theory that no show can last beyond 5 seasons (and maybe a movie). On a more /co/ related note I think TMNT 03 is another example of this. 1-4 kino on wheels, 4-onwards meh to abject shite
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>>136645253 (OP)
To be fair that was wild west days of kids entertainment where they had no clear formulas of what would increase sales or engage ratings. Fast forward to the mid 90s and all the hard sale crashes of brands was showing that those very costly 24+ minute TV shows was eating any profits to merc sales and/or add revenue.
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>>136658033
>it would have been something else bigger than normal Cobra
The original plan was having a Illuminate like group that were hidden in key locations such as Antarctica, The Mariana Trench and The Moon as the original creators of Cobra and they were going to use super soldiers to start a World War that would never end so they could always be rich off dogs of war tactics. Someone used the place holder of "Cobra-La" for their Antarctica base and parts of the Hasbro team like it and wanted Snake people. To this day we still don't know why but most assume it was where Thundercats was exploding in popularity at the time they thought so mutant monster people was a winner.
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>>136658195
Exactly, anon
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>>136665451
Thanks man, I'll try looking at that. At least I'm not imaginging things or mixing it up with ancient fanfiction.
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>>136667383
Two bros holding hands cuz they're not gay
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>>136653786
RiD2000 was a Sentai show but with Transformers and it was glorious. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LYYS1plaIY [Embed]
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>>136665707
I mean anon made three points and they're all pretty much just true.

>Transformers wasn't as popular in the early 90s
It's true, I was super intro Transformers myself at that time and blissfully unaware of any brand statistics so it's not like it had no fans, but history doesn't lie in this case. The only reason they dared try something as new and different as Beast Wars was because the toys weren't selling enough. I mean if you need proof, just look at how little nostalgia G2 gets today even though we've hit the threshold for people being nostalgic for it already. In Transformers discussion online it's always a minority (that I'm part of) who cares about G2
>People were apprehensive about Beast Wars
Also true, maybe not little kids, I sure as fuck didn't care neither did anyone my age I knew....but some older fans definitely were salty as hell about Beast Wars, apprehensive is being polite about it to be quite honest, they were mad.
>A lot of people ended up enjoying it
Also true, obviously Beast Wars was a hit with kids at the time but there are a lot of older fans who came around to liking it even if they initially didn't, it's why Beast Wars is put up on the pedestal it is today, it's become pretty widely liked in the fandom. Childhood nostalgia alone isn't the main factor in BW popularity, because every Transformers show ends up having it's own nostalgic fanbase who only likes that one show from when they were young, but not all of those shows get as widely praised.
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Since we have some G.I. Bros in this thread, I wanna ask, have any of you read ITS Marvel comic?
Because I'm wondering if there's any major differences between it and UK's Action Force, in the same way that UK Transformers branched off from US with so many new stories.

I hadn't ever touched anything G.I.Joe (except the first liveaction movie which I barely remember) before, and everyone seems to hold the Marvel comic in the highest regard. Oh, and are the IDW Joe comics any good too? Or any of the shows?
Thanks c:
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>>136669078
Found it, I remembered it's the same book Paddles the Dinobot came from so was easy to track down on the wiki.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Redemption_Center
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>>136669252
Surprisingly no, The comics at first were their own thing but after they brought over the Sunbow cartoons they did a quick few pages switching cast members such as Baron Ironblood becoming Cobra Commander and they basically just ran the OG run with a few edits here and there, such as when doing Cobra Commaders early raise up days they just drew over his snake hood with Ironblood's crusader mask.
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>>136669252
I believe the UK Action Force Cobra Commander is just Baron Ironblood.with a new identity. Unlike in the American G.I. Joe.
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>>136669252
It was completely original until 1985 and then they did some backstories for name changes or why Red Shadow was gone and then they ran the US Joe run with only a few changes that said or implied CC was American.
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>>136669370
>>136669475
>>136669418
Okay cool beans, gotcha anons. I think I remember those early UK comics got reprinted eventually though, as "European Missions" or other? Did they all ever get reprinted, or is there like a reading guide out there?
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>>136657932
That movie's still awesome, regardless of whether Duke lives or dies.

>>136657983
>Real crime is the fact they dropped the Season 2 plotline of everyone hating Serpentor and wanting Cobra Commander back because the movie was written before it was dumb. I wanted it to be my lad Cobra Commander's time to shine than another fucking Cobra-La plot
That was only the final episode of the second season, and Cobra Commander had only managed to recruit some Tele-Vipers and mercs like Firefly and the Dreadnoks to his side because he was paying them. Once the Joes shut down the slave mine he was running, he'd run out of gold to pay them with. The opening of the movie was pretty accurate about most of Cobra's high command always hating Cobra Commander and blaming him for all their problems, often justifiably.

And >>136658033 is right that if it hadn't been Cobra-La, it would have been some other new villain to escalate the threat.
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>>136659752
In all seriousness, the G1 episode where Powerglide gets a human girlfriend, the one where Seaspray gets a mermaid girlfriend, and the Bumblebee movie have me willing to enjoy a G1 show focused on human girl/robot guy pairings, if only it was done in a more wholesome way and the girls weren't made to look like children. I honestly think they could have had something there if only they could have stopped being perverts.
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>>136646308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj1g7aCXi7A [Embed]
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>>136669370
>>136669418
That's not the Marvel UK Action Force comic, it's a previous series by a different publisher, and a separate continuity. Baron Ironblood and the Red Shadows weren't part of the Marvel GI Joe continuity until the IDW continuation of the series in the 2010s.

The Marvel UK series started over with a combination of US Joe reprints and original material set in the same continuity, though as with Transformers, not always compatible with the US book.

>>136670007
The last run of Marvel UK Action Force was reprinted in the US as GI Joe European Missions, as far as I know, none of the other comics have been reprinted since except for the issues that crossed over with Transformers.
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>>136670766
Powerglide is such an asshole, I love him.
I mean.. I hate him, but I really love hating him.
He's such a self-absorbed little cunt lmao.
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>>136645253 (OP)
Amazing how wrong (You) are
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>>136671299
He's such a self-aggrandizing egomaniac that he should be absolutely insufferable, but somehow he manages to be likeable. And he was the absolute Chad of the Autobots.
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>>136671409
Don’t forget he also had fembot Moonracer after him.
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>>136671409
Exactly my thoughts. Also love his moments of extremely-irritated womanizing from that episode, he was practically begging her to shut up LMAO
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>>136645253 (OP)
cartoons were written by adult professionals who wanted to make entertaining shows for kids 
now cartoons are made by emotionally stunted weirdos for nobody
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So... any word on who is going to make new official comics?
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>>136671624
Because of the Discovery/WB merger it’s looking like DC will.
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>>136670989
Oh geez, then it's what I was worried of lolrip...
Is the UK material worth reading, like how with TF the UK stuff is sometimes regarded as even better than the US stuff at times?
Guess this finding a reading guide is all the more important then...
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>>136671475
It's especially funny because Powerglide's human girlfriend was the very next episode.
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>>136671539
80s and 00s cartoons weren't entertaining.
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>>136671624
IIRC, Skybound scooped up the licenses for Transformers and GI Joe.
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>>136672024
Why are millennials so desperate for culture wars?
We had good cartoons in every decade man. I still remember being 5 on the internet for the first time and already seeing (then-teenage) 90s kids being extremely loud about "nothing was as good as the 90s!" while I was just having a ball. Y'all take stuff too seriously...
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>>136671662
I don't think Discovery really has anything to do with Transformers as an IP, hell Hasbro isn't even beholden to them as a network anymore since the whole Hub thing didn't work out as planned, the newest TF show is with Nickelodeon

>>136672094
Every gen has people like that anon, you have multiple people saying "hurr nothing was good until the 00s" ITT too
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>>136671764
The two Marvel UK volumes are here, without most of the US reprints. Unless you can find the original comics it's pretty much the only way to read them. It looks like they're missing the 1988 annual.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Action-Force
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Action-Force-Monthly

This is the series that featured the non-Marvel Action Force comics, but they don't have any 80s issues with it in.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Battle-Picture-Weekly
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>>136651417
>The planet is Earth.
yeah no shit
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>>136672473
The planet appeared to have two moons to begin with, so this actually did end up being a twist.
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>>136645253 (OP)
Why do you fags shit on Bayformers while worshipping shows like Beast Wars and TF Animated?
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>>136673300
The real enlightened individual acknowledges both are good, just specializing in different areas.
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>>136673351
One is kino and the other is kiddie shit
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>>136673610
what's wrong with kiddie stuff, anon? Don't be so insecure.
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>>136673718
Anon, neither you nor I are children. This is why Bayformers exists.
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>>136673751
grown parents watch Bluey.
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>>136673775
And they're the new bronies. Your point?
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>>136673785
>And they're based
Your point?
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>>136673718
/co/ has hated baby cartoons since its inception. It's only recently that we've had an influx of infantilized manchildren.
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>>136673831
>implying anyone on /co/ isn't an infantilized manchild
>implying watching BIG BOY cartoons/movies somehow doesn't make you a manchild
Just accept it as part of yourself and move on with your life.
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>>136668385
>>136668432
>>136668511
I think he's talking about the fucking Lego Toyline that was essentially proto Bionicle
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>>136673865
>projecting his manchild insecurities
Nice try but I read actual /co/ content like Hatred.
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>>136672203
>Every gen has people like that anon, you have multiple people saying "hurr nothing was good until the 00s" ITT too
Yeah while that anon was running into millenials who complained about 2000's shows on, idk, fucking tumblr or whatever, millenials here on 4chan were watching 2000's cartoons and making fanart and stuff.
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>>136673968
>millenials here on 4chan were watching 2000's cartoons and making fanart and stuff.
Revisionist history
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>>136673968
Do not fucking dare slander me as a tumblr user.
I was, in fact, a retarded child who had no idea there were other websites in existence besides late-2000s youtube.
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>>136673991
Anon, there's visual proof.
>>136674005
ngl kid that might even be worse.
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>>136674104
I'm 22, anon..
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>>136669026

It's amusing how Armada Megatron wasn't happy when Prime sacrificed himself becaue you'd think he'd be happy that his hated rival is gone. He was actually HAPPIER when Prime came back.
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>>136673300
>>136673751
Bayformers isn't for adults in any way, it's for adolescent boys who just discovered boners. Do you really feel a sense of maturity for enjoying media primarily aimed at 13 year olds as opposed to 10 year olds? Somehow, I think not and bet you're just trolling, so here's your (you)

>>136673831
Ahh, someone who started posted here in the 2010s yet is posing as an oldfag who knows the board culture.
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>>136674743
I've been here since 2006. We didn't even care about cartoons that much.
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>>136674870
I started posting here around '07 and mainly to talk about shit like Batman TAS and 90's Marvel cartoons I was nostalgic for which reignited my interest in capeshit, so yeah I definitely don't recall any bias against so called kid's shows 

And even if you can say there was an influx of kid's show prominence, that would have been like in 2010 when Adventure Time and you know what came out ushering in the whole modern wave of kid shows with adult fanbases, which is a little over a decade ago. So pretty disingenuous to claim it's "recent" that anybody discusses kiddie shows here, even if we're going to be objective about what counts as a "kiddie" show and not try to pretend Bayformers is actually more mature than Beast Wars
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>>136674870
two words: Ruby Gloom.
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Remember when Sea Spray got himself a mermaid girlfriend to bang?
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>>136675323
that was a goddamn fever dream of an episode. Call me over-exaggerating but that scene of Rumble being transmogrified into a tree was an out-of-body experience for me. I didn't know whether to fall onto the floor wheezing in laughter, or contemplate the life decisions that led me to watching this, so I just sat there in paralysis for a good couple minutes.
Then Seaspray turned himself into a human because he wanted pussy, except his feet stayed robotic for some reason and his voice was still gargling, and it happened to me again.

10/10 would recommend, especially if you're a drug addict (I am not one, but imagine one would enjoy it.)
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>>136675323
toy when?
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>>136675891
At the rate Hasbro's going of making the most utterly "literally who?" G1 characters to the point that they're sometimes making up brand new ones now, honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if it'd be soon.
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>>136675933
I guess it's possible, but they haven't even done Seaspray himself yet in the War for Cybertron or Legacy lines.
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>>136675686
>Then Seaspray turned himself into a human because he wanted pussy, except his feet stayed robotic for some reason and his voice was still gargling
Not just the same voice actor, Seaspray and Mer-Man from He-Man had the same voice.
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>>136676041
True, but they're steadily doing all the minibots it seems. They're doing Beachcomber now, and Brawn soon; I'm sure they'll get around to the rest. Apparently Gears was in a leaked listing?
Personally I really want Powerglide and Warpath someday, as well as Seaspray (and also a Cosmos reissue because godfuckingdamn).
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>>136673300
>>136673610
>>136673751
>>136673831
>>136673957
>>136673991
>>136674870
>Industryfag
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>>136676158
>and also a Cosmos reissue because godfuckingdamn
Tell me about it. Brawn, Powerglide and Seaspray are the other ones I really want, but you may have missed your shot on Warpath, he was released during WFC Kingdom.
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>>136672024
cope
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>>136673887
Wow, what a dickhead
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>>136676301
Yee, I forgot he was in Kingdom until right after hitting send lolrip. Ah well, he doesn't seem too expensive 2nd-hand doe.
Hopefully they get to doing his WfC and DotM game designs, those were both really good.
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>>136675933
who should they be making toys of. The same three guys over and over?
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>>136677171
I mean they do that too anyway.
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>>136677171
Believe it or not, there exist characters that AREN'T from G1. Shocking, I know!

It was only a few years ago that they started taking fucking Beast Wars seriously again, and only this year that they've been acknowledging Armada and WfC/FoC exist. At the same time, they're also butchering Animated and Prime characters into terrible "G1-style" versions, which nobody asked for...

I want characters from Victory (that aren't prohibitively-expensive crowdfunds), Beast Wars that don't have photo-realistic animal modes INCLUDING BW II/Neo, more RiD2000 characters since they barely fucking acknowledge it, more comic characters from Marvel/Dreamwave/IDW alike and Armada, Galaxy Force, the different video games, animation-accurate Animated and Prime characters, FUCKING HELL do Rescue Bots characters in the mainline for once!!
I don't want fucking Ariel from that one G1 prequel episode, or an army of Junkions (even if the latter are apparently really good).
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>>136677400
>they're also butchering Animated and Prime characters into terrible "G1-style" versions, which nobody asked for...

People loved it in 2010
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>>136677573
Firstly, that's Movie-style :^]
But important thing is because 2010 was just a year after the Animated toyline proper. Those original Animated toys were easy to get if you wanted them, making this a welcome unique idea.

Now it's been almost 15 years.
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>>136653599
>Never really watched much of the first RiD or the Armada trilogy so can't say much on their Optimus Primes.

The Japanese Optimuses/Convoys are pretty varied in their personalities, views, and methods.
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>>136677833
>Those original Animated toys were easy to get if you wanted them, making this a welcome unique idea.
>Now it's been almost 15 years.
Holy fuck what happened to secondhand TF prices, used to be the worst markup for non-G1, non import stuff was just like $20 extra, now 5 year old releases are triple or more. 
That said I hesitate how good modern Hasbro would be at making truly decent Animated/Prime updates, those had higher budgets and I don't see the appeal in getting smaller versions with less paint just for some ankle rockers. I'd rather get 3P improved KOs
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>>136677400
so you want the "literally whos" that you like
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>>136677833
If that was movie style it would be an entirely grey mess of pointy parts
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>>136678291
It's... literally an extension of the RotF line, though.
Don't be such a hater bro. Movie designs for the first two films fuck hard.

>>136678244
(You)
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>>136678427
No, not (you) you homo.
Every time I heard the "literal who" bullshit it someone butthurt that they're not making HIS favorite nobodies.
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>>136678427
Yeah, that's why they included him the the G1 comic used to advertise the figures at the time, because he was a movie guy.
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>>136654427
>beast wars reveals the nemesis crashed into the ocean and settled in the same position as its future replacement, the victory
>tarantulas and beast megatron get it up and running and nearly destroy the ark
>rhinox kamikazes the commant tower and sends it careening over the horizon to crash in south america
>four million years later archaeologists find and excavate the shit, alerting megatron who takes its power core for his personal use

I love when a sequel does stuff like this.
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>>136678478
Please look me in the webcam and tell me with a straight face that "the major characters from several well-received shows/comics are just as irrelevant as fucking Ariel and Dion."

>>136678575
Okay so, looking it up, it seems we're both right?
The 2010 toyline seems to have been made with the intention of being like, an intermediary between the films and Generations, where it had a lot of movie and movie-style designs, and gradually shifted into more recognizably-G1 designs. This is why characters like Lugnut could be argued for either artstyle.
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>>136667383
>is scourge ever going to stop farting?
>negative
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>>136675323
Remember when Rodimus Prime got put into a synthoid body and got laid?
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>>136678900
I'm sure they're relevant to the fans.
but tell me the "relevant characters" from your favorite shows and I'll shrug because they're a bunch of whos to me.
Just like you're screeching because you're not getting the toys you want. 
not go cry somewhere else because baby not getting his toys
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>>136645253 (OP)
Don't you have better things to do than to defend shitty 80s cartoons to people less than half your age?
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>>136678900
>seems we're both right?
no, that version of Lugnut was intended as a G1 guy. That's it. You're wrong
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>>136678976
Having actually engaged with multiple corners of the franchise including G1, I somehow doubt that G1-only fans care about the types of single-episode, one-to-none voiced lines, Sunbow characters I brought up, as much as say, BW or Animated fans literally just wanting their core main casts.

>>136679013
Don't be bitter, anon.
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>>136678980
>zoomie mad because no one likes his aughts garbage
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>>136678980
Don't you have anything better to do than troon out over things that existed before you were an itch in your daddy's nutsack?
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>>136678427
>It's... literally an extension of the RotF line, though.
They went on record that they designed a lot of those non-movie 2010/HFTD releases to fit into the Classics line. Lugnut's wavemate was literally G1 Grapple.
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Christ almighty, the culture war baters invaded. Thread was good while it lasted...
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>>136679213
>troon
No one even mentioned trannies
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>>136679297
Act like one, be called one. Not that difficult for most people to understand.
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>>136679213
This. New millennium fags can't perceive things from the past so they lash out.
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>>136679254
>comes in acting like a tranny
>gets shocked when called out for it
You wanted war, you got it.
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>>136679368
>Act like one, be called one. 
Saying 80s cartoons suck isn't remotely related to trannies. Do they just live in your head rent free?
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>>136679469
Why do they upset you so much you turn into a shrieking teen girl over them?
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>>136679368
This. Oh but of course 00s fags would have the hardest time understanding this.
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>>136679560
1. Wasn't even the original guy you first responded to
2. How the fuck is that even screeching?
I'm genuinely confused on how that remark would somehow equal trannies?
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>>136679620
>2. How the fuck is that even screeching?
Hmmmmm.
>Don't you have better things to do than to defend shitty 80s cartoons to people less than half your age?
Sounds like a tantrum to me.
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>>136679620
Dude stop responding. It's obviously the same fucking guy responding to all of these, pretending to be an epic 80s dude dabbing on younger people because he wants to bait us into culture warring, despite the fact this thread had actually been very chill with people sharing their favorite aspects of the franchise, until a few hours ago.
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>>136679560
Because as OP pointed out, Transformers is better than anything produced in those lameass decades.
These are the same trannies who make fun of G1 fans with TRUKK NOT MUNKEY.
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>>136679678
>because he wants to bait us into culture warring
You're the one who started shitting himself about someone else "defending shitty 80s cartoons to people less than half your age". You being incapable of understanding anything doesn't make things bad.
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>>136679708
>TRUKK NOT MUNKEY
Which is especially hilarious because G1 had Apeface.
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>>136679712
I'm really not. (You).
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>>136679745
And it was leagues better than Optimus Primal
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>>136679758
Yet you're jumping to his defense and echoing him.
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>>136679775
what a story
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>>136679797
Literally fucking who?
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>>136677400
It's all about two things, demand and nostalgia (which triggers demand). Beast Wars got a big push because Beast Wars fans just entered the age range of adults with presumably steady/disposable income and heavy nostalgia. 

G1 stuff is just always in demand, but Jap G1 (and BW stuff too) never came out in the US show wise or toy wise so it pretty much does away with the nostalgia appeal for US markets, so those releases are probably always gonna be limited to select characters. I would expect more Unicron Trilogy and Animated in the incoming years as those fans age up. RiD01 is tricky because it's not just Hasbro who doesn't acknowledge it, it's the fanbase too lol all anyone seems to care about is Sky Byte, and occasionally Scourge.

As for the shitload of G1, I really don't mind it, for one thing this is literally the first time many of these characters are getting new toys since their original and I think they deserve it, but also even for the big boys you gotta remember what CHUG was like before more recent times. It wasn't accuracy based at all but more "reinventions", were some of those toys good? Yeah, but imagine picrel being your only option for G1 Prime, by today's standards that doesn't really sit well. Hell, a total fan favorite like Soundwave has had zero G1 based toys not counting MP until pretty recently.

>>136677573
>>136677833
>>136678291
>>136678575
I just gotta say, regardless of whatever that Lugnut was supposed to be, it's hard to call it "G1ified", it has fuckin monster feet still, so if it was supposed to fit in with G1 designs, they didn't really succeed, not in the same way they G1ify modern characters.

>>136679712
In fairness OP only started this thread to be a bait thread, he stole this from that shitty Ben 10 thread shitting on scifi shows. Really amazing it's had good discussion for the most part.
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You know what, you might as well bring up Earthspark if you want to Culture War bait people. At least it's relevant. 

Still not as bad as Beast Machines but it looks dreadfully dull somehow.
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>>136679671
So how is OP not throwing a tantrum when he's shitting on the 90s and 00s?
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>>136679849
>In fairness OP only started this thread to be a bait thread, he stole this from that shitty Ben 10 thread shitting on scifi shows. Really amazing it's had good discussion for the most part.
Yeah, TF fans actually stepped up for once and made a better thread out of a shit op rather than shitting on slice of life cartoons.
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>>136679866
Earthspark was a step up from the garbage we had up until then
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>>136679678
>t. Tr@nny
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>>136679849
I guess, it's just that I'm disappointed Hasbro's aiming for average 30-y/o's instead of average 20-y/o's in terms of nostalgia pandering. For my money, I would think we should've been getting Beast Wars figures in the early/mid 2010s, and Animated/WfC/Prime figures a couple years ago. I don't want to wait another decade for myself to get pandered to.
>you gotta remember what CHUG was like before more recent times.
Yeah, that's true. And in fairness I think we should have a more experimental line of reinventions every now and then, but it's frustrating that the WFC and Legacy trilogies are trying to have their cake and eat it too: they're trying to make really accurate figures, while also selling reinventions, under the same banner. Really wish 90% of Legacy and Kingdom were just placed under the Studio Series name, instead - would've made people's expectations more manageable.
>RiD01 is tricky because all anyone seems to care about is Sky Byte, and occasionally Scourge.
I know, it's fucking painful. I'd love a new Fire Convoy and Gigatron given the same love as Armada OP and Megs soon will, letting alone guys like the other Predacon goons, the main car bot trio, the Spychangers, God Magnus...

And yeah, Jap G1/BW's lacking popularity in the West is a shame. They almost seem to be held in the same regard as regular G1 for JP fans though, which definitely helps. Also worth noting is that good fansubs have finally been made for all of the JP shows, but its been very recent, so we might prolly see an influx of new fans of the JP shows over time hopefully... At the very least, I think it's def showing with the Victory/Masterforce toys' popularity in Legacy so far.
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>>136679849
>, it's hard to call it "G1ified", it has fuckin monster feet still, so if it was supposed to fit in with G1 designs, they didn't really succeed, not in the same way they G1ify modern characters.
Because like you said, the way Archer's era did G1 characters is a huge difference from the modern era where they'd specifically aim for a generally accurate look. the team wanted to add other elements into G1 based designs to keep it relevant and fresh. Lugnut's toes are straight from animated.
Keep in mind g1 itself was made up of various molds from different toylines in the first two years, we've just sort of accepted them all as being part of the same aesthetic. Lugnut isn't that different from Whirl.
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>>136680164
>>136680217
>>136680264
>>136680292
all made for cartoon dads
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>>136680357
lol no
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>>136680050

When you compare it to Power of the Primes and the WFC Trilogy Netflix shows, Earthspark is a masterpiece.
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>>136680423
Yeah, it's been rough for TF the past 15 years.
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>>136680423
>>136680485
RiD2015 is better
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>>136680219
>, I would think we should've been getting Beast Wars figures in the early/mid 2010s
Aaron archer tried, it didn't work out. But the real reason they aim for 30+ year olds is because by then people in that generation are likely to have kids in the target age group for Transformers. So a dad with an 8 year old and a steady job is more likely to buy a TF for his kid and pass down generational love of TFs to his kid. Hasbro is really big on growing that generational aspect
Where as someone in their 20's without kids, as much product as they buy, just keeps it to themselves. Or are still young enough to have their old toys. Hell that happened when they tried BW reissues for the 10th anniversary, a lot of people skipped because they still had their 90's stuff.
>I'd love a new Fire Convoy and Gigatron given the same love as Armada OP and Megs soon will,
I'm skeptical because both those figures would need a really, really good budget to do them justice. Armada Optimus is so lacking in his original form anything with decent arm articulation is an improvement. Meanwhile besides articulation, I really can't say the new Armada Megatron looks better.
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>>136680423
That really isn't saying much, those are glorified webexclusive promo shows like cybermissions
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>>136680553
>I'm skeptical because both those figures would need a really, really good budget to do them justice.
Sure, there's that. Can't really say anything other than "I hope they will," lol.
I get the gripes toward Armada Megs, but I dunno, I'm actually really looking forward to him. Main things is he doesn't have his shiv-hand and his shoulderpads are locked in place (the second-most reason I skipped Legacy Scourge, with #1 being his lazy paint apps on said shoulders) - but I don't really mind the lack of the shiv personally (and it's something 3P's will definitely make up for, for those who want it), and honestly with shoulders AS TALL as his, I don't think I'd be enthused about them being movable with the arms and instead constantly smacking into things behind Megatron. Plus apparently it's animation-accurate? Which doesn't matter as much to me, but it's like a nice asterisk next to the "won't bump into the back of the shelf's wall if you want to raise his arms" point.

I guess also important to point out is like, I'm coming from the PoV of a person who didn't grow up with a chance to get the original toys. Hell, I myself only recently got into all the JP shows thanks to the aforementioned fansubs, lol. So it's also a matter of "getting any representations of these characters be available at all" to ppl like me. Doesn't mean I'll gladly eat slop just because it's a character I recognize and it's my only option, I skipped out on Legacy Inferno as one example, but it is still a factor unfortunately. Hopefully the upcoming movies will do well enough for Hasbro to put more budget into their toys again, I guess.
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>>136679106
00s were 20 years ago, old man. Get with the times.
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>>136680384
yes
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>>136680777
Time passing doesn't make them anyless garbage. 90 years later,the great depression isn't any better.
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>>136680500

Yeah, and that one got hate because it was a sequel to Prime.

It's like making Rescue Bots the sequel to TF Animated.>>136680485
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>>136681589
Rescue Bots has a lot of the same charm and appeal in its writing as Animated's characters, though, so I'm not sure that's quite the same comparison.

Either way, I think we can all agree at least that most people don't and shouldn't really count the PotP/WFC shows as proper TF cartoons - not unless you count Cyber Missions as comparable to the proper normal-budget TV shows, lmao.
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>>136681863
Hey man, anything that has based Power Core Combiners in it is alright in my book.
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>>136680423
Earthspark has alot going for it, the only real issue is the forced diversity. Like the show really lays it on thick at times, which it's incredible that the character that literally introduces themself as "I'm Nightshade, my pronouns is they/them" is somehow more tolerable than all the other characters and their hamfisted morals. 

I would take a non-binary robot over the 9 year old girl standing up to shockwave and calling him a bully, any day. 

The action and animation is good. Although I've noticed that there are alot of times when characters seem to awkwardly pause before they start talking, like there's a 1 second delay that shouldn't be there. I'm interested in seeing where the show is going to take certain ideas, since it seems like they're setting up Shockwave to be the new decepticon leader, which was only a comic thing.
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>>136680500
>>136680485
>>136680423
>>136680050
Prime, RiD15, and Cyberverse were all better than Earthspark.

And yeah, agree with the idea that Machinima and Netflix shit aren't real shows.
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>>136680219
> I don't want to wait another decade for myself to get pandered to
Yeah thems the breaks though, I mean think how long some G1 fans have wanted updates of favorite characters that are just now getting them lol. Though to give Hasbro some respect, they are mixing it up a bit....they're making the attempt to reach different fans at least and include some different stuff even if it's predominantly G1.

As someone who wants a lot of G2 guys, I'll pretty much never get them, I want new and improved Cyberjets damnit lol.

>And in fairness I think we should have a more experimental line of reinventions every now and then, but it's frustrating that the WFC and Legacy trilogies are trying to have their cake and eat it too: they're trying to make really accurate figures, while also selling reinventions
Yeah obviously I can understand people not being happy with toys like Legacy Prime Bulkhead who just don't look like themselves, if that's what you mean. Like I get the idea behind it, but they should know it's not what generally people want.

You mentioned the BW toys looking too realistic before, I don't really mind that, I think the BW toys are mostly good....but with some questionable choices. Dinobot and Cheetor come to mind for me. Dinobot in bot mode looks good but why the fuck is his sword purple, and why does his raptor look so silly. Cheetor....I get people want their damn skinny cheetah, but I would have liked a fatter cat if it meant he had both his integrated guns. Hell I still like the original Cheetor toy better than any update.
>Fire Convoy and Gigatron
Like the other anon said, those would be hefty tasks to not half ass, but would be cool, and likely very expensive.

>>136680307
Yeah true G1 had some different aesthetics and some characters stood out more than others, that Lugnut is just kind of a tough sell to me in a lot of ways as part of a G1 crew, hell he makes me almost think of BM Vehicons.
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>>136669114
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>>136669259
Hey double thanks!

>2004
Oh, way later than Armada then. I guess it's set between G1 episodes so that's why I misremembered.

I'd be tempted to buy it myself if even the wiki hadn't made note of the second hand prices.
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>>136682518
>they're setting up Shockwave to be the new decepticon leader, which was only a comic thing.
Mixed feelings since it is new to the animated shows but IDW has me burnt on Big Bad Shochwave.

At least he seems a bit more melodramatic in ES so we might not be subjected to the 'all accoeding to keikaku'.
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>>136682518

Yeah. Apparently Hashtag is much worse.
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>>136684580
>a character named "Hashtag"
Sums up just about everything wrong with Earthspark on a basic level. Desperate pandering and attempt to seem "with modern sensibilities"
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>"Optimus Prime! Do you read me? The Decepticons are pissing Autobot City; we're REALLY taking a POUNDING! Don't know how much longer we can hold out!"
>"The Decepticons are pissing Autobot City!"
Okay no, but what the hell did he mean by this..?
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>>136684738
>The Decepticons are blitzing Autobot City
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg
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>>136684807
naw im p sure it was "pissing"
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>>136685113
https://youtu.be/YsgPcdf1gCM?t=30 [Embed]
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>>136681030
What was so bad about the 00s then you fairy?
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>>136684498
Yeah he acts like how he did in later IDW when he returns after larping as a Prime. I think IDW is big influence on the show, since Shockwave calls the terrans "Lower Class" and Megatron talks about nobody having to kneel. Which only makes sense if you have read IDW. 

>>136684580
Hashtag is particularly annoying. She basically spouts zoomer speak and bad internet memes.
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Animated > Beast Wars > G1 > Robots in Disguise > Cyberverse > Prime
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>>136686124

That just sounds like Earthspark was made for people who read the IDW comics, but all the things it established were more fleshed out in said comics.
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>>136686286
>G1>>>>>>>anything else listed
FTFY
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>>136686348
Odd that they would think the young teen target demographic would have read those comics.
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>>136686402
Ok xoomer
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>>136686124
>She basically spouts zoomer speak and bad internet memes.
She said "All your base are belong to us" while infiltrating someone's base. That's:
- the only meme she's ever said
- not zoomer at all
- appropriate for the situation
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>>136686124
IDW started the Caste system in 2008 but arguably the Aligned continuity bought it to prominence. As it is a lot of newer fans assume it's the default backstory.
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>>136688071
Yes as I said 
>bad internet memes
It's something that normies would get. 

Also I am a zoomer so I'm allowed to call out zoomer pandering bullshit.