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--- 57861147
Say something nice about him
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>>57861147 (OP)
Soon.
--- 57861169
Since T-55s are already in the hands of Russian forces. Who would win if a Leo 1 faced a T-55?
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>>57861147 (OP)
Looks like a overhauled hull (at least a new lick of paint) and a old turret.
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>>57861169
Leopard 1A5 hands down. It's not even close.
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>>57861147 (OP)
needs moar ERA
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>>57861169
I think one Leopard can beat 10 T-55.
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>>57861169
>President Zelensky, I'm FSB.
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>>57861192
Slap on every piece of Mexas and ERA you can find on those suckers.
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>>57861147 (OP)
Basically this >>57861157
>>57861192
>>57861218
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>>57861157
aside from additional weight, is there any reason not to slap a bunch of ERA on it?
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>>57861157
>>57861218
I love this meme
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>>57861239
You're a short guy.
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>>57861157
>>57861192
>>57861218
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>>57861147 (OP)
ERA doko?
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>>57861373
crunchies standing near the tank might not enjoy the ERA detonating, but that argument is overblown because they also won't enjoy the HEAT warhead fragments that triggered the ERA

I don't know the lethal and jnjury radii for Kontakt 1 but I can't imagine it's much larger than for an RPG-7 warhead
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>>57861446
Not just near but in the direction normal to it. ERA with metal flyer plates act a bit like wannabe claymores.
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>>57861147 (OP)
is that a Leopard 2K turret with a 105 mm gun?
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>>57861218
The Danes already bricked them.
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My retarded take: A fully upgraded Leopard-1 can 1v1 any Russian tank in existence. There was a period where the 105MM wasn't good enough at long distances but technology has advanced. T-64, T-72, T-80, and T-90 can all be penetrated by the 105 at the same range the Russian tanks can hit the Leopard so the extra armor isn't a huge benefit. A poor as the Leopard armor is, the Russian tanks have shown themselves to be turret-tossing, self immolating, unsuriviable, unreliable, shitboxes. 

Since both sides can destroy one another at all likely engagement ranges, it would likely come down to optics, reliability, thermals, accuracy, etc.. all of which lean towards the Leopard and outweigh the better armor protection on some Russian tanks. A Leopard 1 can also be covered in ERA just as well as a Russian tank too. In real life, the Russian tanks are also being refurbished with inferior equipment, are more poorly maintained, etc.. so the Leopards will probably be better. Which si an insane thing to think. They'll be vulnerable to RPG-7s but so would everything except Abrams, Challenger, and Leopard-2.
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>>57861373
I think one big Issue is that it would prevent any other additional armor from being added. Leo 1 armor is so thin i'm pretty sure that even 30mm might be a threat against it even from the front. The biggest benefit of ERA though would be in helping against any RPG rounds which is probably the most common threat that it will face.
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>>57861510
It depends, with K-5 the 105 can't go through the front of later T-72s/T-90s and T-80s. Granted considering that the Russians probably have a ton of K-1 in use still and a lot of K-5 bricks are probably empty, I think most cases it won't be a problem
--- 57861550
With the degradation of Russian tanks. Even the Leo 1 will end as way superior
--- 57861560
As i am not in the mood to spend 1000 hours on photoshop (or paint), i humbly ask for someone to make an ERA version of picrel
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>>57861476
if you're standing in a position to be hit by the flyer plate, an RPG has already passed through your body in it's way to the ERA, which seems like a bigger issue
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>>57861147 (OP)
Cute socks.
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>>57861546
okay but what if they strap captured K5 plates to the Leopard 1s

I totally expect Ukraine to make ghetto arrowhead armor for their 2A4s using captured K5 plates and I'll be sad if they don't
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>>57861147 (OP)
With a rack like that that's a girl, son.
Real tanks have fuckhuge and pointy tits, flat turrets are for paedophiles.
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>>57861607
Uohhhhhhhhh! !! !! 2a4 erotic !!!!!! 2a4 hull and turret !!!!!! Erotic …
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>>57861581
Rather imagine being in a position 15-30m off from the side of a tank with ERA. The problem isn't that the RPG fragments get you in that case but rather the blast generates a cone of fragments. Statistically some of the chunkier pieces of the flyer plate can make it far and still maim or kill at that point. Not to say that happens every time but that is one of the genuine concerns with ERA.
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>>57861218
>>57861247
worked out for frogs
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>>57861596
She even has ERA abs.
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for spring offensive 2026
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>>57861928
Would kontakt/10
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>>57861687
Its a nice looking tank, like a modernized Tiger
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>>57861739
Most of the time I'm not seeing tanks and infantry being used in tandem, its more like the tanks advance, then retreat followed up by an ifv with infantry coming in. Rarely are there WW2 tier combined arms levels of cramped.
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>>57861510
Sorry, but the 105 can't go (frontally) through
>T-72BA
>T-72B3/(2016)
>T-80U/(K)
>T-80BV [Big maybe]
>T-80BVM [Unless they don't strike the ERA]
>T-90 'Ural' [Big maybe]
>T-90A
>T-90M
The rest is free game tho.
120mm cannons can do against anything tho.
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>>57861739
ERA luckily isn't a frag warhead, it's usually just 2 relatively large pieces of shrapnel, so the likelyhood of injury is acceptable.
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>>57862024
Don't the Leos have actual thermals in them? They could probably out maneuver the Russian stuff thanks to the better awareness and get side hits
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>>57862047
Yes
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>>57861247
Woah, that's sex
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>>57861147 (OP)
Whats the tactical advantage of putting a flashing light on top of your tank?
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>>57861169
The Leopard 1 was explicitly designed to kill T-55s.
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>>57861147 (OP)
What kind of cuck lamp is that.
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>>57861147 (OP)
damn, he cute
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>>57861169
T-55AM Merida? Merida.
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>>57862024
i dont think tank to tank combat is going to be that much of a priority hell theres barely any footage of that

theres plenty of footage of tanks smashing through infantry, thats why they are useful
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>>57862024
Honestly that's pretty concerning since i'm pretty sure if the Leo 1 does have to face off against a Tank, it's probably going to be a T-72B3 or T-80BV just by probability alone
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>>57861510
>>57862024
depends if it gets the super modern APFSDS ammo imo by the jews or belgians, it might actually be able to
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>>57861147 (OP)
Lmao this is the interior
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>>57862024
Soviet tanks all have the same weakened zones
Lower plate
Drivers cutout region
Gun housing
Turret ring
Turret area above the composite armor
While it is unreasonable to "aim" for weakspots, it is still a game of probabilities.
So while it's unlikely for the 105mm to go through the toughest armored sections (Glacis + turret cheeks), there is still ~30% of the tank that is vulnerable from the front.
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>>57862712
Looks like a dentist's office.
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>>57862047
Yes, Leos have actual thermals, why they'd likely be the one kind of tank to fight other ones, because they'd be able to find them and thus be able to engage em favorably, but with normal rounds the front of those tanks is a no-go.
>>57862453
Oh, on that it's iffy, 105 ain't known for HE lobbing, they mostly used HEAT for that same role, but yeah, it'd work. But Leo 1 would also be great for hunting enemy tanks at night.
>>57862506
Yes, it is an issue, but they can probably get a lucky hit and retreat quickly enough thanks to actually being decent reverse-speed wise, or let other units strike after pointing em with their sights.
>>57862695
If they get M900 they'll be able to drop the remaining T-72s plus the T-72B4, also known as T-90 'Ural'. Don't know about the rest of tanks tho. but maybe they'll be able to get glacis-hits which I think would be the best bet.
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>>57862713
Sadly, they're called lucky hits for that reason, one out of 4-5 hits going through isn't a good bet in a military. Though due to the localized nature of Russian usage of vehicles in the defense I think they can gang up on lone Russian tanks and blast em by sheer M833 fire.
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>>57861510
Retarded and delusional.
Leo 1A5 will fail to penetrate any half-decent Russian tank frontally.
The only advantage it has is thermals which most Russian tanks don't have. Not all that useful if it can't pen the tank it hits. If a Russian tank sees the Leopard first however, the Leopard is screwed.
>>57862453
The Leopard 1 will be extremely vulnerable while assaulting infantry. Any AT whatsoever will punch through from just about any angle.
I expect to see quite a few burning Leopard 1s. For the most part, they're shitty tanks in 2023. Anyone jerking themselves off over a thin-skinned 105mm tank in Ukraine is going to get a rude awakening.
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>>57862712
What kind of god-forsaken, training aid mockup did you find a picture of?
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>>57861247
thats the uparmored canadian Leo 1 C2 which they are not sending over. think they got sold to some pajeet
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>>57862793
>half-decent 
>Russian tank
pick one
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>>57861157
The welded Leopard 1s turret is made of spaced armor.
The outer skin is too thin to mount Kontakt-1 without being damaged from the explosion
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>>57862030
>ERA luckily isn't a frag warhead
Check out Nizh.
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>>57862893
That's relative to their own fleet. Relative to the Leopard 1, almost all of them are superior.
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>>57862971
Like for example?
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>>57862983
Anything T-72B and above. Once you get into stuff like a T-80B the Leopard becomes laughable, outside of the very basic thermals. Even that shouldn't be overstated too much, since assets don't operate in an atomized manner. ISR is a thing.
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>>57863023
>T-80 
yeah no, they don't have much of em
but you are right on T-72BA and forths, basic bitch T-72Bs I don't think are superior.
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>>57861247
>>57862874
MEXAS would have been based if they had mass produced the plates in absolute fuck-ton quantities like Russia did with Kontakt
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>>57861739
>ERA might wound the infantry accompanying the tank
Anon, Russians do not use combined arms. There are no infantry lmao.
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>>57861147 (OP)
>Say something nice about him
Many smooth surfaces. Engine strong enough for some added weight.
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>>57863056
125mm gun with better HE and APFSDS.
Armor that at least gives the crew a chance to survive AP or Gen2 ATGM HEAT which is everywhere.
What does the Leopard have? Shitty thermals? Doesn't compensate for getting killed by any infantry ATGM and being useless for engaging half the tanks it might see.
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>>57862024
Have you seen how little confidence russian tank crews have about their metal coffins? It doesn't even need to penetrate but just getting hit would probably make half of them do the abandooner meme
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>>57861169
Leo has better mobility, FCS. T-55 has better armor, which is irrelevant against DM33+.
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>>57862024
Against modern (1980+) darts, only parts covered by K5 ERA are protected. And even then, the ERA block must be filled with explosives (and not styrofoam/air) and those explosives must not have degraded after decades in storage (causing them to detonate AFTER the dart passed through).

>>57862770
>105 ain't known for HE lobbing
>>57863135
>125mm gun with better HE
Rifled 105mm packs about as much HE as smoothbore 125mm. Both are ~3kg.
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>>57861446
>I don't know the lethal and jnjury radii for Kontakt 1 but I can't imagine it's much larger than for an RPG-7 warhead

Prety aure ERA would have a bigger blast simply from the direction of the blast- outwards. That said, ERA detonating beats the tank detonating if your job is to keep tank alive, and the tank's job is to kill those shooting you.
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>>57863362
we never had HE to throw around, just M456, sorry
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>>57863362
>using Steel beasts armor models in the current year
>the only thing that matters is HE content.
HESH, due to how it works needs thin walls, so it will produce poor fragmentation. Fragmentation is more effective over distance then blast
125mm HE has thicker walls optimised for producing better fragmentation
Also HESH is only delayed fuzed which means it will penetrate into soil then explode, reducing it's effectiveness
125mm HE is can be set to either immediate (vs infantry in the open) or delay fuzed (vs structures + light vehicles)
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>>57862713
>While it is unreasonable to "aim" for weakspots
Literally (successfully) done in WWII already.
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>>57861218
>>57861509
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>>57862793
Most hits aren't to the front and russian AT weapons are mostly stopped by ERA. 
So you'd need repeated hits against somebody with better optics than you. Ask the goatfuckers in the middle east how secret their nightly husbandry was.
Just kidding they never found out. Heat vision, nigger.
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>>57863685
>Most hits aren't to the front
They are, and always have been.
>russian AT weapons are mostly stopped by ERA
Not sure how well ERA plastered on a thin-skinned vehicle never meant to receive it like a Leopard is going to work, if it works at all. Even if you stick it on, it simply adds HEAT resistance. It's not an absolute counter.
>So you'd need repeated hits against somebody with better optics than you
The Leopard 1 having shitty thermals isn't going to stop it needing to expose itself to fire. When it does, if there's any AT with range, it's toast. Unless you're imagining shitty thermals means it now now has a God's-eye view of the battlefield. It's still a buttoned-up giant vehicle and emplaced infantry will still see it before it sees them.
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>>57862874
>think they got sold to some pajeet
Worse. used as targets.
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>>57863863
>They are, and always have been.
Factually incorrect even in WWII. We have plenty of studies on this.
>Not sure
Maybe shut the fuck up then.
>shitty thermals
Superior than basically everything Russìa hasright now.
>expose
Russian tanks are essentially blind in comparison. Exposure isn't the issue, being acquired is.
>toast
Never served retard doesn't know how visible people are on cold backgrounds if you're in a western tank.
>buttoned up
Slavshit detected.
Western doctrine has always been to keep the commander's head out in basically all situations except the middle of an artillery barrage, because contrary to Russian belief what you don't see is what kills you.
Get exposed, vatnik.
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>>57863863
Leo 1 is thinly armored for tank standards but it's still meant to resist 30mm APDS, it's not like slapping ERA on a Buhanka. Show me an ERA brick where 70mm RHA isn't an appropriate backing.
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>>57862024
But 105mm DM63 has superior performance compared to 3BM42, which is 100% of Ukrainian ammo and the overwhelming majority of Russian ammo.
Additionally, as >>57862713 pointed out, Russian tanks have massive amounts of weakspots (mostly located at center mass kek) even the very latest T-90Ms.
Leopard 1s are absolutely capable of frontally destroying every Russian tank.
Finally, we all know that image of a T-72B3 destroyed by a Ukrainian sabot through the front, which means Russian tanks often have empty ERA, which massively decreases armor, or that Russian armor estimates are overstated.
All in all, the Leopard 1A5 will be an effective tank in Ukraine, even in an offensive capacity.
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>>57863863
Ukraine was already putting ERA on BMPs so i'm sure if a BMP-2 can handle it then so can a Leo1
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>>57864303
Thing is BMP-2 can't handle ERA like K-1
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>>57864056
>Factually incorrect even in WWII.
Do tell.
>Maybe shut the fuck up then
What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed just as easily. A Kornet will rip through a Leopard 1 even with theoretical bastardized ERA thrown on top without issue. Cope and seethe.
>Superior than basically everything Russìa hasright now.
Basically equivalent. Low res gen1 garbage that can't see anything at range. That's leaving out the nicer stuff they had pre-war which is outright superior.
>Russian tanks are essentially blind in comparison
Good thing they can take a hit, which the Leo can't.
>Never served. Muh amazing thermals can see everything
Early thermals against emplaced infantry at long range? They won't see jack shit. I know from experience, unlike you. We had very modern thermals, and even that had difficulty picking out humans at range if they were in heavy cover.
>Western doctrine has always been to keep the commander's head out
Mk. 1 Eyeballs won't be useful unless he's right on top of the enemy, where even a PG-7V will kill the tank. Good job.
Fucked up close, fucked at range. Leo1 is garbage, and I look forward to seeing their hulks litter the battlefield.
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>>57864415
>Do tell.
Google it yourself, vatnik. Nice irrelevant image though. You don't even know what angle means.
Rest is tldnr, you're not that interesting.
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>>57862712
>>57862735
>>57862821

The best part is when all the crew all get inside, are seated and the hatches are put down, the first few seconds' synth noises of Kraftwerk's "The Robots" plays inside.
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>>57864539
>Too stupid to understand angle calculations when the 0-5 is a dead giveaway it's in reference to the front.
>"Vatnik", when it's obvious to anyone with reading comprehension my command of English is better than yours.
Hopefully the Ukies will be more manly about losing when it comes to these shitty tanks.
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>>57864718
You're a dumb nigger and I will love seeing more dead russians from leopard 1s.
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>>57864718
>>Too stupid to understand angle calculations when the 0-5 is a dead giveaway it's in reference to the front.
Kek
It goes from 0 to 90, anon.
That's a straight hit vs one at the most extreme angle possible and doesn't refer to the sides of the tank. Otherwise it would have to go to 180° recover the backside.
Vatniggers can be so silly in their childish fantasies.
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>>57861596
What does PaHok mean?
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>>57861147 (OP)
Thread theme:
https://youtu.be/bPrT0Fzzwsg [Embed]

Does anyone know what the refurbishments/upgrades actually are for the leopard 1's?
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>>57861157
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>>57865239
A bunch of the old Leopards were outdated models, I guess they're being updated to A5 standard.
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>>57862924
Has that ever stopped Slavs?
--- 57865448
>Scared mobik clutching to his AKM in his trench while hearing cannon fire outside, then he hears a click, a grenade drops in front of him.
>Desperate he jumps out of the trench while it goes off.
>Mobik gets caught by the concussion, there is only a ring in his ears and white in his eyes for a long moment
>Finally he manages to focus and raises his head
>A dozen of meters in front of him he sees the shape of a tank, a Leopard tank, its gun pointing at him
>Before the shot ends his life he wonders "why does this tank have in its turret the image of a werecat thing?"
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>>57862207
You’re a big guy
>>57864303
Wicked.
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>>57861147 (OP)
I can’t wait for them to start putting swastikas and wolfsangels on them
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>>57864777
a WW2 statistic does say that the sides are more often hit than the front
or rather: all 3 sides other than the rear are equally likely to be hit, but since you have 2 sides then they are twice as likely to present themselves than the front
this does make some logical sense, neither the attacker nor the defender have any real control over the engagement so hits are distributed solely along surface area

this is corroborated up until the israeli-arab wars, where side shots were still more common but front hits were getting more widespread
the turning point was in the gulf war, where combat could take place at 2km distance with thermals to spot targets, making it much easier to keep the front to the target

forgot the soruce on this but another factor is that western tanks now have giant turrets compared to the hull, and since the turret can turn to face the enemy its less likely to be hit on the side
so the M1 is just presenting its turret front more often than its hull side compared to an M4A3, with a small turret and massive hull
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>>57865494
Swastikas are verboten. Ukrainian government is working double time to distance and dissuade troops and units from displaying any nazi or far right insignias. Azoic is the best known example, from being a nationalists paramilitary group fighting in 2014 to a fully absorbed national guard group that now has its own rabbi and a greatly watered down emblem. Kiev is making sure they stay on top of the public image game and to make Russia’s Ukraine=Nazi rhetoric fall flat along with trying extremely hard for garnering support from Israel.
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>>57865906
NTA, but that data isn't very useful because a hit to the sides from the frontal 60 degree arc is functionally a hit to the front.
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>>57865946
if youre 60 degrees off-axis from a tank, then thats almost a perfect flank with the side far more visible than the front
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>>57865976
60 degree arc = 30 degrees to either side, that would be 120 degrees in your example.
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>>57866013
oh, did not know you meant it that way
but using 0-180, most side shots occured between 60-120 degrees from the center in WW2
the 6 day war and kuwait had the front hit more often, but the sides and rear averaged out, and yom kippur possibly being the only time when tank were really slinging it out in a small frontal arc
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>>57861147 (OP)
Your armor is looking pretty thin today
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>>57861777
hey, i have right image for that too
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>>57861373
Leo1 has the same problem that BMPs and trucks have - the underlying "armor" is so thin it might get destroyed by the ERA itself.
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>>57861147 (OP)
How useful it's gonna be depends entirely on
>does it have thermals
>does it have rounds that can pen basic bitch t-72s from the front
If yes, its lack of armor doesn't really matter in this conflict.
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>>57866690
Damn French ERA thick af
Lookin fine
I bet it's better than K-1 too
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>>57861169
Whoever shot first, but given the Leo has thermals I'd bet on it to make that shot
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>>57866966
>Whoever shot first
Are you assuming T-55 can hit in first try?
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>>57866966
>shot
Hit. Don't forget that hitting is also required, and not at all trivial with a T-55
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>>57861147 (OP)
It looks like a Panther with a turret bustle.
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>>57866985
Panther is unironically better protected than it
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>>57867105
But much slower, less reliable and less well-armed. And its additional protection is meaningless against any AT weapon manufactured from 1950 onwards.
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>>57861777
>>57866690
I love the BRENUS
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>>57862924
STFU you know you want this. Don't tell anyone else either
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>>57861777
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOKFTTg6W5g [Embed]
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>>57862793
>The Leopard 1 will be extremely vulnerable while assaulting infantry. Any AT whatsoever will punch through from just about any angle.
Issue is that, recently we could see that Russians are also having shortage of motherfucking AT weapons
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>>57867116
At least the Panther wouldn't die from an autocannon.
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>>57866984
Or that Leo outranges T-55 considerably
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>>57867105
the panther has 80mm at 55deg and 40mm at 40deg on the side, so ~140mm and ~50mm LOS armor
leopard 1 is 70mm at 60deg on the front and 45mm at 40deg on the side, or ~140mm and ~55mm on the sides

leopard 1 is actually slightly tougher than a panther hull-wise, but turret-wise the leopard 1 was already tougher than a panther at the start and got up-armored over time
panther 1 had a 100mm curved gunshield, that provided more protection at the edges than the center
leopard A1 has a somewhat complex armor scheme with a 65mm thick turret overlapping with the gunshield, providing a combined 100+ mm of thickness
the A1A1 had add-on armor on top of the gunshield
the A2 and A3 recieved a new welded turret which improved protection slightly by moving to HHA instead of cast armor, and making the gunshield and add-on armor a single piece
the A5 supposedly has bolt-on composite armor in addition to the improved turret

while the leopard 1 was designed with armor only meant for 30mm APDS rounds and of third priority to firepower and speed, its still has armor far superior to any panther
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>>57862924
Easy enough to plate it then add Kontakt. Welding is far from difficult and not expensive. Laser or waterjet the plates (any job shop with a large outfit can do that), weld them in place with ERA mounts preinstalled and done. None of that is high precision work.
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>>57865001
>What does PaHok mean?
Morning
In cyrillic:
>P = R
>H = N
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>>57861147 (OP)
objectivly a worthy peer opponent to the T-series
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>>57863023
>>57862793
>>57862024
Stop using war thunder as your primary source
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>>57867470
in warthunder, you have a decent chance to beat T-72Bs with a 105mm gun frontally if you can get them dead center through the weakened zone 
you also have a decent chance to go through the side armor if they are angled even slightly due to APFSDS having very good grip against steeply angled surfaces

in real life, no one is aiming for weakpoints, so you arent getting through those weakpoints every time
but its still far from "never"
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>>57864582
Y-y-yes, g-g-irl friend
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>>57861169
T55 is essentially a ww2 tank while leo is a basically modern tank without the armor
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>>57864582
I've been feminized
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>>57864415
>Russian tanks can take a hit
Lol
Lmao, even.
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>>57866847
Retarded post, 70mm of steel is more than enough to handle ERA.
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>>57864415
Would be a shame if they replaced the WBG-X with something else during refurb.
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>>57861373
There's no point to mount ERA on thin armor, because the increase in protection isn't enough to matter.
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>>57865924
I feel like most of the German-inspired imagery is just IRL shitposting.
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>>57866847
>>57867608
Whats the deal with this fudd-posting? ERA against PG7-equivalent RPGS has been fielded on shitboxes like the M113 and M2 Bradley without problems, and those are vehicles with base armour that struggle against 7.62 AP and 14.5 AP respectably.
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>>57867717
I always wondered if it had to do with applique armour turning the original armour thick enough for era to be placed effectively.
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>>57861147 (OP)
Yikes
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>>57867493
>in real life, no one is aiming for weakpoints
Go read a WWII manual and experience reports. People have aimed for weak points for about a century now.
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>>57867811
>Go read a WWII manual and experience reports
at long range, people fired at whatever they saw since they would be lucky enough to just hit the target
at close range, people fired as fast as they could at whatever they saw

> People have aimed for weak points for about a century now.
pamphlets telling people where to aim was a morale thing, trying to get crews to go into battle with at least a glimmer of hope that they could do something
but in practice, people considered themselves lucky just to hit the enemy
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if ANY of you motherfuckers had pait attention in WoT, you'd know that the leopard is a medium sniper tank.

SNIPER, as in "not meant for close combat".
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>>57867493
Some nerds have been telling soviet MBT armor in war thunder overperforms about 25% for a year or two. If I recal correctly, they basically have the hull angle calculated in twice. Without that they match much closer to what Western analytics have told.
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>>57868318
Yeah
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>>57867811
In actual battle you aim at whatever you see first or the center of what you see.
Nobody will aim at 'weakspots'.
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>>57862198
Refurbished by War Thunder players
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>>57868101
>wot
>even being used when judging real vehicular combat
lmao you're so delusional it hurts
war thunder has at least a modicum of accuracy to it
the Leopard is an MBT of the awkward high firepower but no high effectiveness armor era, thus not having been equipped to be protected against MBT cannons, but is intended to fight MBT's
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>>57868790
>war thunder has at least a modicum of accuracy to it
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>>57861739
This is an issue for countries where losing a few people gets media looking for a juicy story. Ukraine would absolutely sacrifice some unlucky fucks to keep their decent tanks in working condition as they're manpower-heavy but equipment-poor.
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>>57868799
>wotbaby is perplexed that video game that actually put in *some* effort to model things correctly is closer to reality than bing bing wahoo arkade skinner box
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>>57868832
Both of these games are 'arcade bing wahoo' games. In no military conflict ever are you going to see dozens of of mixmatched battalions of tanks engaging in an open area. Especially not the types and nations you see on the game. Unless you're playing Sim Battles (the least played one) you're getting meme tier combos. Not to mention WT having abyssmal penetration, deflection, armor, explosive, and basically every quality of impact weapons wrong or functioning improperly. There are dozens of vehicles with turrets that are nonfunctional, asinine rounds given to tanks and planes that never had them or would be equipped with them (Because the actual rounds would be too good. Meaning USA would dominate Russian and German ass)

Having thrown 200hrs of my goddamn life into that shit. I can tell you factually that War Thunder is the least realistic bullshit ever. If it was actual 'sim' where things had their real values, rounds, and ballistic effects. It's an abyssal grind too unless you put money into the skinner box.
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>>57868918
>Not to mention WT having abyssmal penetration, deflection, armor, explosive, and basically every quality of impact weapons wrong or functioning improperly. There are dozens of vehicles with turrets that are nonfunctional, asinine rounds given to tanks and planes that never had them or would be equipped with them (Because the actual rounds would be too good. Meaning USA would dominate Russian and German ass)
Oh I am well aware
>200 hours on steam
lol lmao newfag 
come back to me when you have at least 500 hours of utter pure ingame match time
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>>57868918
>200hrs
cute :3
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>>57868660
Needs at least 40 more bushes
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>>57861157
ERA? More like ero am I right.
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Can someone deliver ERA meme with mgs cardboard box? I need it for science
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>>57861169
T55 and T62 go to DPR and LPR militias.
Most likely to be used as static fortifications / mobile fire support. Exactly like how Ukraine will use Leo1.
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>T-55s and Leopards 
Fancy tanks and tech mean nothing in real war. America is going to fight WW3 with M1A1s and M16A2
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>>57868988
>you haven’t eaten enough shit to judge its taste come back at least after one metric tonne
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>>57861687
Looks like a retarded elephant
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So will Ukraine use these things correctly as gun platforms in combined arms operations? I don't like the idea of seeing videos of lone Leo 1s yoloing enemy positions because slavs can't help but slav.
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>>57868988
>>57868967
>>57868918

you have to be at least 18 of age to post here
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>>57870372
>So will Ukraine use these things correctly as gun platforms in combined arms operations?
typically the best tanks will be used for mechanized units
since they will be spearheading the assault you want to concentrate as much power into a single point as possible
and units riding in IFVs will want to protect their best units

2nd-rate tanks and older tanks are more likely to be distributed among infantry rather than concentrated simply because they just need a working gun and some armor
but it also makes sense to concentrate them into maneuver-capable forces even if they arent the main attacker because they can make local attacks that can nibble away at enemy defenses and elicit a reaction
if these weaker forces are able to make a breakthrough then you can then commit the good tanks to exploit this turn of events
its all about misdirecting the enemy of your intentions and creating pressure along the entire front line
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>>57861147 (OP)
Not enough ERA. Luckily that can be easily fixed.
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There won't be a fulda gap larp in Ukraine, as much as everyone wants to see it.
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>>57870554
It will rather be Desert Storm larp, I agree.
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>>57868967
>come back to me when you have at least 500 hours of utter pure ingame match time
Better advice would be to quit and never look back. The game is shit, unbalanced and only ever gets worse
t. Someone with ~10000 rb matches since 2014
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>>57868101
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
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>>57868918
>in no military conflict ever are you going to see dozens of of mixmatched battalions of tanks engaging in an open area.
if there's ever was or will be a war that fits this description, it's this one
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>>57862063
what am I looking at?
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>>57867122
BRENUS :DDDDDD
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>>57871453
:DDDDDDDDDD
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>>57870372
Most video clips show a complete lack of combined arms operations by both Ukraine and Russia. The accelerated training timeline for Ukrainian soldiers bodes poorly for this changing. I expect a successful but also haphazard offensive with higher than necessary losses because the Ukrainians won't have the cohesion or understanding to employ their assets well.
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>>57864573
Based
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>>57864303
>8 bit camo 

So fucking cool.
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>>57862712
that's a weird fleshlight
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>>57870386
>he thinks anyone but manchildren play war thunder
delusional faggot
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>>57870147
Negro the militias are just russian troops now, both because of the referendum and because their forces were all destroyed multiple times over so now they're just Russian reservists transferred to them.
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>>57868326
ERA didn't trigger

also we don't actually know if there was a penetration.
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>>57872463
>MFW I remember the Murz post last year where he complained that the LPR was so depleted of manpower that some of the recent mobilized still had the steel rods in their limbs from the injuries sustained in the previous mobilization wave
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>>57861147 (OP)
the flashing light on top seems like a bad idea
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>>57872520
>shot 2023.04.16 20.32.46.jpg
lol, did they fix it?
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>>57872529
People here really need to read more of Murz's posts. They really show the shitfest that was the separatist guerrilla armies in this war. It's the Vietcong in 1968 all over again.
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Is ERA even effective? I get that it is meant to be a more weight-efficient way of providing additional protection to older vics, but there seem to be hardly any instances where even more modern ERA packs were able to successfully save a vic from an otherwise catastrophic hit.