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--- 115891549
post high energy jazz from the '90s
https://youtu.be/jKTLYqncQ2Q [Embed]
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hard difficulty: no japanese bands
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>>115891549 (OP)
impossible difficulty: keeping a thread from 404ing.

I'm glad to see we are getting there at least
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>>115892534
happens every time the thread is about anything other than rudy van gelder-core
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Just went here
It was nice. The band dedicated a song to me and my wife
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>>115891549 (OP)
>from the '90s
oh no

but ok
https://youtu.be/8YEtHy9iEmg [Embed]
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>>115893591
>>115892534
hey i'm tryin here but can't always bump my shit alone, i try and comment on most things etc so there's something going on all the time
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>>115893746
you the first jazz gig guy from yesterday?
how was the music, the players?
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>>115891549 (OP)
ok this is a 90s jazz classic for me
https://youtu.be/OwIeTSWRQgA [Embed]
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>>115891549 (OP)
https://youtu.be/bQ5Fm-k_36U [Embed]
giant guitarsteps
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ohshit, yes, now this is 90s gold: Carol Kaye Picking Up On The E-String
https://youtu.be/OSnkLprYkmw [Embed]
https://youtu.be/OSnkLprYkmw [Embed]
https://youtu.be/OSnkLprYkmw [Embed]
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>>115893898
didn't know this guy, very nice

https://youtu.be/GZOkyQx3jIw [Embed]
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>>115894210
dat prog intro
(wait what's he doin when he gets up? swatting a fly away?)
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>>115894403
i think he plucks the piano string
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>>115894414
that makes sense, i just didn't hear anything

he got Wayne smiling though so clearly it's a special occasion
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aslo thanks for this rec
>>115868855 →
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObBZoLc_A58 [Embed]
>insane album btw
the arrangements with the strings in there, impressive
this is contemporary stuff i can get into fosure
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>>115894524
this is really good
the strings remind me of that jaco/herbie track on jaco's self titled album. hell, the piano "riff" at the start is also like a modern jazz piano version of that.
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>>115894524
>>115894856
just checked and it has gretchen parlato and charles altura on it. this is part of the lineup that makes good jazz in current year lol.
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Why does nobody talk about McCoy's late 60s/early 70s run that much? Everyone raves about The Real McCoy and rightfully so but virtually everything he recorded between 1967 and 1973 is incredible.
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>>115893827
The band was really cool. Very nice synergy between them all
We really enjoyed it
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>>115894946
mccoy solo stuff isnt as good as his group stuff
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>>115894946
they don't? how daren't they!
McCoy is so damn good, he scares them.

https://youtu.be/9RdHXui_SxA [Embed] live73 pt1
https://youtu.be/1P7mPNvwMYM [Embed] live73 pt2

also you can totally extend that from 73 to 74/75

that live Atlantis album, man... phew
https://youtu.be/FEaZOMmfrvI [Embed]
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>>115891549 (OP)
Jazz barely existed in the 90s and exists even less today. It's a dead horse.
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>>115895056
this ain't about having valuable content for product placement bruh
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>>115894998
nice
jezz not dedd
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>>115894210
>didn't know this guy, very nice
here's a video where he talks about Zappa being invited to present a composition to real jazz guitarists, and they earnestly try, but it's just SHIT (funny story)

https://youtu.be/-ciGt_XNprM [Embed]
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Alright my sweet friends. I had a fun idea I wanted to see. 
These are all the most notable sub genres in Jazz (in alphabetical order) 
>Avant-Garde
>Bebop
>Big Band
>Chamber Jazz
>Cool Jazz
>Dixieland 
>ECM Style
>Free Jazz
>Hard Bop 
>Jazz Funk
>Jazz-Fusion 
>Jazz-Rock
>Latin Jazz
>Modal Jazz
>Post-Bop 
>Smooth Jazz
>Soul Jazz
>Spiritual Jazz
>Swing
>Third Stream
>Vocal 

How would YOU rank these sub genres from best to worst?
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>>115895678
stepping out, can't fully play right now, but also, differences between harp bop, post-bop? lines between a lot of these genres gets hazy as fuck
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>>115895678
i think its necessary to differentiate between new orleans jazz and dixieland
new orleans jazz is the jazz the originated in new orleans where dixieland is a style originated by the original dixieland jazz band that aimed to imitate the new orleans style while adding in more european influences
some time in the 30s these two got conflated and we get the confusion we have today
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>>Third Stream
>classical 
i thought that was cool jazz's thing
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>>115895754
what a mess

>Post-bop is a jazz term with several possible definitions and usages.[1] Musicologist Barry Kernfeld wrote in The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians that post-bop is "a vague term, used either stylistically or chronologically (with divergent results) to describe any continuation or amalgamation of bop, modal jazz, and free jazz; its meaning sometimes extends into swing and earlier styles or into fusion and third-world styles.
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>>115895754
cant really articulate differences but can give examples
hard bop - candy
post bop - search for the new land
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>>115895237
kek, looks like an interesting bunch of dudes
i suspected tommy tedesco was legit, from seeing his instructional video, but i didn't know he was this legit
and also apparently zappa can really play jazz?

>>115895678
how 'bout no
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>>115895952
that makes sense... it's mostly guidelines anyway, not hard separations

>>115896005
>looks like an interesting bunch of dudes
>i suspected tommy tedesco was legit, from seeing his instructional video, but i didn't know he was this legit
i can do nothing but respect real pros who aren't impressed with this zappa kid (even though he seems in his 40s already), and try and stay polite and humor his composition, but yet... just can't.

>also apparently zappa can really play jazz?
yeah that part's a tease... i imagined he'd just play chords while the guys solo but i'm not sure if he said frank solo'd as well
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>>115896005
>how 'bout no
Sour puss.
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>>115895678
okok i'll try a fast one before going out for real this time
i mostly just get clusters that awkwardly compete with each others
>Hard Bop
>Bebop
>Post-Bop 
>Modal Jazz
>Soul Jazz

>Jazz Funk
>Jazz-Rock
>Jazz-Fusion 

>Cool Jazz
>Third Stream
>Chamber Jazz
>Latin Jazz

>Big Band
>Swing
>Dixieland 

>Smooth Jazz
>Spiritual Jazz
>ECM Style
>Free Jazz

>Vocal
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>>115896185
Surprised Dixieland isn't at the bottom but otherwise solid ranking.
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>>115896339
having a single vertical line is brutal, i guess something almost 3-dimensional would be more accurate
(and some of those like Latin Jazz just cover so/too much variety)

>Dixieland 
no hate boner for it but can't say i go for it often either
it was mostly bumped up by genres further disliked

though wait smooth could be higher, spiritual too
i'm a sucker for pure cheese like this
https://youtu.be/OgsrQ9WjrlU [Embed]
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>>115896139
the other post gave me the idea to also make vague clusters, didn't think of that, so i'll try now

>Swing
>Vocal 
>Jazz-Fusion 
>Post-Bop 
>Bebop

>Hard Bop 
>Latin Jazz

>Soul Jazz
>ECM Style

>Jazz Funk
>Jazz-Rock
>Smooth Jazz

>Cool Jazz
>Big Band
>Dixieland 
>Free Jazz
>Modal Jazz

>Third Stream
>Avant-Garde
>Spiritual Jazz
>Chamber Jazz
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>>115896387
Mouzon is someone I'd love to own on vinyl but all his shit is way too expensive. 
It's $20 for a good quality copy of his stuff.
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>>115892534
what can you do, when this board is full of losers obsessed with gook pop
absolutely abhorrent fandom
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luv' me some Tribal Tech
https://youtu.be/oW5A6mypjRw [Embed]

Gary Willis is one of the bass players of all time
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>>115895678
honestly for me it's hard to rank most of it above the others. I play tenor sax, so you can imagine what I generally listen to is a lot of this list. I keep writing a list and deleting it so maybe I can just hit on some shit I listen to and why and somebody will find my blog interesting. 

>Bebop, hard bop, post bop
This is where all of the greats are playing, so it is what I listen to the most so I can draw inspo from it. 

>Cool jazz, modal jazz
I hesitate to call modal jazz really its own thing, but I think this can be lumped together and I think there's a lot of beauty in "simplicity" in jazz. Not that all cool jazz is simple, but when you contrast someone like Stitt with Stan Getz or whatever, it's interesting anyways. I listen to as much of this as anybody else

>Jazz funk, jazz rock, jazz fusion
If I had to tell you what my favorite style of jazz is though, this is it. Blows my socks off what came in the 70s and 80s and beyond. I just love listening to it. In bebop and other forms of jazz, you can hide behind the complexity of the chords. This is where the rubber meets the road in terms of technique to be able to do interesting things when you're "boxed in" 

>third stream, chamber jazz, big band, swing, vocal
All things I enjoy to listen to, but I don't listen to it to be better, I just enjoy it. It's fun to play in bands, and swing is fun to play and listen to sometimes, but doesn't do it for me as regularly

>Latin jazz
it's awesome. up there with jazz funk. 

>soul, spiritual
Just doesn't do it for me. Think it also tends to lean avant-garde and the people who play this. While I find beauty in simplicity, I think this stuff can lean too simple and it bores me.

>avant garde, free jazz
okay sometimes, but things get too weird sometimes in this direction for me in the modern era. ornette coleman's style is about as far as I dare venture

>smooth jazz
I love grover washington jr. that is my answer to this question

>cont'd'
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>>115895678
From that list the only stuff I listen to regularly are Fusion, Post-Bop, and sometimes ECM

For me it's all about whatever you'd call the stuff that all the top NYC guys have been playing for the last 2 decades, and Glasper-style.
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>>115897258
dude, I fucking love Tribal Tech
listen to this album so much
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>>115897268
I guess I don't have much left to talk about
>dixieland
too dated, not for me. I'll play it but there's nothing worth listening to out there imho

>ECM Jazz
Honestly this is where you exit jazz to me and not particularly worth mentioning when talking about jazz. it's fun still and I have nothing strongly against something like electroswing for example but as far as I'm concerned this is no longer the art form of jazz and more an influence

>BONUS: Not mentioned
Jazz blues is its own subgenre and I think worth talking about, and this is high tier. What I said about the funk and fusion stuff I think applies here, there's simplicity in the blues and I really think it pushes it self more than hard bop or post bop does

Thank you for coming to my blog
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>>115897268
>>115897319
Very good writeups. A+ Stuff. 
Glad we can agree Fusion is perfect.
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>>115897319
>electroswing

ECM not EDM lol
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>>115897258
he can still play, that's for sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwHjZVdErTg [Embed]
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>>115897319
>>115897268
something to close this spaghetti out with is to me, most jazz isn't worth "breaking up" because there's so many elements all over after you enter into a certain area. Jazz is a genre of stealing ideas from each other and pretty much at a certain point it's not all that different, especially once you get into the more modern area. You know what I find interesting though is how would some of those greats of yesterday react to some of the best players of the modern era? I guess they overlapped a bunch, I'm sure Miles Davis heard of Michael Brecker but what about Coltrane? What did Dexter Gordon think of Brecker? Kind of interesting

>>115897351
my mistake -- i guess I'm familiar but I don't have a strong opinion of it all

>>115897337
yeah fusion really captivated
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>>115897399
(PS I'm talking about those who probably died before him or were basically on their way out)
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>>115897394
that's crazy, he's 66 here, how is this even possible
i just came across another video with scott's bass lessons where he's explaining a few things and he does the same thing as scott henderson with the alternate pentatonics.

also found the same song that i posted but without scott
https://youtu.be/g_H_X4ekWuQ [Embed]
genius shit during the chorus
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>>115895777
Traditional jazz is a better term, considering a lot of the style's development occurred outside of New Orleans.
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Contemporary jazz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mut7IDJZPJk [Embed]
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>>115897268
>>115897319
>>115897399
I enjoyed the blog, agree with most, generally. 
ECM is that label where it often veers into full on new age ambient, what you said still applies in that we’re getting pretty far from “Jazz” jazz. Which is also true for the electro swing stuff. Great potential, quickly ruined by lazy sampling and big beat choices…
It’s funny how swing has periodical revivals that very quickly fade away: mid 90s, enter the Squirrel Nut Zoot Suit zippers and yet others, and that lovable and corny neo swing phase…
Then around 10/15 years later, the electro swing trend… 
By that logic we’re 2/3 years away from the next form
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>>115891549 (OP)
is brecker brothers cheating?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdtjIw7Of-E [Embed]
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now explain the difference between big band and swing
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>>115898145
big band music can be pretty much anything with a "big band" while swing is a pretty specific style, usually big band (but not always) with a specific "swing" feel. Big Band Swing is even more specific and that's your "Charleston" music if you will
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>>115898085
nah, Michael Brecker is the greatest genius to ever live in the history of the art form imho
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>>115898222
Would you care to elaborate? I’ve wondered how to ask the question without seeming uncouth, of what’s with the legend of the Brecket brothers? Competent players for sure, without reproach even, but I might just not have heard what makes them so revered, and so I wonder
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>>115898278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSLdcEaUOJ0 [Embed]
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>>115898278
he does everything better then anybody else on the saxophone. Time, drama, tension, etc.
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>>115898278
every brecker song is instantly recognizable even when it's not them playing it, and yet none of them can be confused with another song also by them, anyone who invents a style of fusion has done enough to enter the legend.
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>>115898278
I can only really comment on Michael, but if you really truly dig into what he was doing, he was a fucking monster. Jazz is all about tension and release if you really boil it down to the simplest reason. He really just mastered a ton of "weird ass shit" outside of the key and resolving it in ways that make it sound good. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZRFNXexRUo [Embed]

What he was doing I think is still unrivaled of any time in the history of any sax player ever. Nobody up to this point in history can touch the man. He was also just a virtuoso in terms of technique and tons of other things. just punch in "michael brecker" analysis and you'll get a pretty good idea from some other players, I just punched this in and thought it was a good highlight of weird shit Brecker does
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>>115898464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5trtn84HN_g [Embed] here's another good one
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>>115897765
I love the rendition of Chance (Kenny Kirkland tune) on their album
Also really hip that they just included some low quality rehearsal recording of A Shifting Design (Rosenwinkel) on the album. So random, but much appreciated.
It's really cool to hear Steve play over more conventional tunes. Really gives you a sense of his distinct vocabulary, that isn't as apparent on his own compositions since they're so harmonically and rhythmically unfamiliar. Moment's Notice on Dialect Fluorescent is another example, I'm super obsessed with that track.
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>>115893880
+1 MMW and they were breathtaking live in the 90s and 00s
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>>115898464
>>115898473
Also I always tell people this with anything but remember the context of the era some of these people perform. John Coltrane, Dexter Gordon, Coleman Hawkins, etc all seem way less impressive when you start putting them against Chris Potter, Redman, etc. But that's because when you compare them to their contemporaries, lot of what they do directly pulls from the strides they made in pioneering the genre forward. So if you listen to a lot of modern jazz and don't get what the big deal is, put yourself in the context of the 80s vs what you've heard beforehand and you may appreciate what Brecker did

That being said -- I still don't think anybody living today can touch the strides Brecker made. Chris Potter maybe, even if I don't find his music itself as enticing as what Brecker did. The thing is even if I think there are a few players around today that are easily as good as Mike Brecker, nobody on the planet today has pushed what jazz can be to its limits. I listen to a disgusting amount of sax players, and I think Chris Potter is easily one of the most virtuostic players living today and is the only one I'd even remotely say "picked up the reigns" that Brecker held. But I guess for me, nobody has quite invoked that "holy shit, I need to listen to that again" feeling I've gotten from almost every brecker solo I've heard. It's fresh, it was hip. I guess the only way I can say is that Michael Brecker was operating on another wavelength ENTIRELY compared to any who came before him and those who came later who copied him. I think there's a quote out there that he kept changing his style up because people kept copying him and he wanted to be different, kek. Apparently the guy was also just a general genius and knew everything about anything. 

if you can't tell, I'm a big fan of him. Reignited a love in the genre for me. If you don't maybe get the impact of him, no shame in it, I would say just broaden your listening more and it'll click
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>>115898355
Ok, this was a great Not-Quite-Softly, listened through and then went back for his opening/solo again. Bretty gud indeed.

And fuckyeah I see a shit ton of comments, I’m on phone outside so most videos’ll have to wait but I’ll catch up, nice to see action
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>>115898462
That’s interesting, I get it can be hard to describe but maybe a couple examples?
I guess it’s like the Lee Morgan hard vs post bop earlier: you know it when you hear it
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>>115898695
Very interesting points, thanks for taking the time, you and I’m guessing others chiming in. The context thing, for sure…
And that makes me realize that the main reason I have an “outside view” is I just jazz snobbed away anything 80s/90s as far as straight or sorta ahead jazz is concerned (except for live jam nights but that’s different), so I generally didn’t hear all that… 
Hell for a while anything 70s was out, but I’ve had my fusion awakening and have seen the fluorescent spectrum of nyctophobic light, and though I’m not always aware it’s them/him, I’ve at least started to hear their work, though generally their earlier…
But these threads have launched me into a huge jazz rabbit hole, catching up on classics i skipped over and finding great new artists constantly…

It’s so sweet coming back into a genre either after a long time or just having neglecting it and then having that distance of time to just plunge into the good shit
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>>115898781
here's not them playing a song by them, instantly recognizable
https://youtu.be/cSiCiU1S4gk [Embed]
speaking of which, imo holdsworth has done his best stuff in the '90s if you're into him

also here's another brecker tune that's on that album, but the original is more groovy
https://youtu.be/N9jCaqtvJIs [Embed]
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>>115898464
>>115898695
tldr, its a theoryfag thing?
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>>115898695
great post
I think about this concept of progression a lot, and it makes me wonder if the "ideal" way to experience jazz is to approach it chronologically (maybe not all the way back though), so that you can actually get a sense of the strides each player made.
to some extent this is how I first experienced jazz, listened to only 60s/late 50s stuff for quite some time, and then one day my buddy played me his favorite Brecker solo and holy shit, it was overwhelming. but i think i needed the context of diligently exploring all the greats of the past in order to really hear Brecker properly. and since I started where I did, I can't really dig Bird, except as an educational thing, studying the lines, etc.
though, this isn't meant to be some pretentious thing. anyone can jump in and listen to Brecker, i'm not gonna gatekeep. however, all his great outside lines will just fly right past you without the context of knowing what conventional inside-the-harmony lines sound like
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>>115899084
Kek 
But no seems it’s more a proper feel thing
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>>115899084
OP here, I'd say yes and no. I gave you the perspective that leans a bit into the theoryfag reason to maybe understand a bit as to what he's doing sounds good, but I'd say the only thing you really need to know is 
>absolute total mastery over the instrument
>master of phrasing when you look at jazz as a concept of "tension and release" 
I think personally, if you listen to enough jazz, it's hard to ignore that what the Brecker Bros did in their career is just flat out different. But to the average untrained ear, you may not pick up on it exactly vs anyone else playing
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>>115899084
nta but i've been hearing brecker for a while and..yeah, and even then specifically saxophone theoryfag thing
i don't like it that much desu, never thought "wow that was really good i will learn it", i respect the brecker brothers more for this >>115898462
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>>115899085
> think i needed the context of diligently exploring all the greats of the past in order to really hear Brecker properly. 
Interesting, I might have caught myself not quite there yet… though I did have a pretty massive bebop phase rather young, so there’s that in the back of the neurons…
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>>115899144
Anon who originally asked to elaborate here, thanks again, still have to catch up on those vids later, but it’s nice to see this start a conversation

And yeah my main diagnostic here is I just ignored the decades where he really did all that, so I’ve definitely that in store to go dig into… 
Wasn’t all too enraptured with what I heard of their own fusion though… what’s the spacesuit one again, punk bebop? It’s great playing but feels like something different than the fusion bands, a bit too plastic for me maybe
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>>115899144
i think miles davis said something (i cant find it in his book right now) about how coltrane had all his ideas figured out but what he was really trying to figure out was his tone
his point was anyone can come up with musical ideas but tone is something that cant really be learned
you either have it or you dont
when i listened to the videos you posted i didnt find anything unique about his tone so maybe thats why i dont find him as impressive
in my mind
all the greats can be idenified by playing a single note and thats what impresses me the most
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>>115899195
well I might have been overstating this whole "hearing it properly" thing
really it was just about the initial impact, that short-lived wow factor. kind of like experiencing 3d video games (N64) for the first time, for the older people here. 
if brecker is the first jazz you ever here, then to you, that's just what jazz sounds like. but if you started with say Cookin' with the Miles Davis Quintet, and worked your way forward, it will be perceived differently.
however, it is really just about the initial impact. some irrecoverable, non-replicable experience, like having sex for the first time or w/e.
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>>115899085
> wonder if the "ideal" way to experience jazz is to approach it chronologically (maybe not all the way back though)
It’s a great question, and I would think that generally, yes, but as you suggest the exact starting point is a hard one to pin down…
Very young, like very young, I just loved Glenn Miller and swing… later something like Sing sing sing is very catchy (and could totally be a tiktok thing between the next other thing), but it’s still later that the punk but smart and wild attitude of raging bebop got me… 
So, I have still no clear answer at all. I would propose sampling eras with a really broad but limited in time compilation and going with what strikes a chord I guess…
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>>115899500
No it’s ok, didn’t see it so much as requirements needed as the proper context to enjoy, I totally get that, and the explanations and fawning have been fun and instructive.
To be brutally simple, based on his Softly from earlier, it’s like he’s playing applied Coltrane, but not the Coltrane that went too skronk far skreeeeEEEE um SkrklrkrlEeeeeeEeeeeEEEEEEE 
So that’s a good thing.
And you’ve definitely got me curious to add his work to the pile, the dynamics/release/tension thing I’m hugely into in music, listening and jamming, so that’s a promising pitch for sure, you sold him well, hehe
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>>115899459
Also good to have your counterpoint
>>115899155
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*Is the unironic goat of the 21st century*

Craig is absolutely inhuman and I’m sad more people don’t listen to him
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>>115900084
I do not know who this is
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>>115900084
wouldn't call him my personal goat, not even for his instrument (that would be Mehldau). post album recs though
I liked him with Steve Lehman
listened to some of his trio albums and didn't like them in big way or anything. Junk Magic was kind of cool though
the Chris Potter Underground stuff is great
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bump
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw871Wr3FvQ [Embed]
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>>115893919
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yesss jeznotded in the morning wunderbar

>>115908628
fuken love Carol Kaye
this video where she TRIES to teach Gene Simmons a thing or two is hilarious https://youtu.be/9-CU2VwRNfg [Embed]

Plenty Joe Pass being a funky motherfucker on this album, if anyone has more like this, do share... not sure how to pin this, soul/funk(y) jazz? it's more groovey than swingey
things like track 6 Boogalo, pure fire
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Opinions on this kind of jazz?
https://youtu.be/fCgRf3gn6eQ [Embed]
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>>115899056
hey i do recognize that one, heard it from Corryel and that Blue Montreux album too
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>>115912070
i like the rythmic approach, but find the soloists meh/nerd jazz
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>Imagine being Elvin Jones in 1965 and having to be all like "damn, Pharoah Sanders, you fuckin' fine, all souful with your tight sax and horrific atonal sound. I would totally jam with you, both live and in the studio." when all he really wants to do is record another modal album in Van Gelder. Like seriously imagine having to be Elvin and not only sit in that chair while Sanders flaunts his disgusting playing in front of you, the chaotic noise barely concealing his lack of talent, and just sit there, take after take, hour after hour, while he perfected that "solo". Not only having to tolerate his monstrous fucking noise but his haughty attitude as everyone on there tells him he's THE NEW SOUND and DAMN, PHAROAH PLAYS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and listen to his stoned fucking playing contort into agonizing dolphins you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been recording nothing but a healthy diet of masterpieces and later alleged classics for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Michigan. You've never even heard anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on his dimpled face as he overblows his sax suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and revel in his "avant garde (for that is what he calls himself)" beauty, the beauty he worked so hard for with hobos and junkies in the previous months. And then the producer calls for another take, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the studio security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Elvin. You're not going to lose your future film career over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.
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>>115913672
10yearslater https://youtu.be/40YsQIaZmlg [Embed]
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Why is he so underrated bros?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqZL7raA1uI [Embed]
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>>115913672
I love this pasta.
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>>115913672
Elvin is my spirit animal
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>>115913672
all he ever really wanted to do was play with benny goodman
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>>115914683 same
>>115914705 huh, a great critic

>>115914600
so Kloss yet so far
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>>115894946
Walk Spirit Talk Spirit from Enlightenment is a fucking transcendental experience
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hi /jazz/, i'm a rockfag/metalfag. how the fuck do i get into jazz? which albums should i listen to first (that won't quickly filter me)?
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>>115915519
depends what direction you want to go, there's so much... you can keep close to rock with fusion, or go with the classics for more of a plunge

this is mostly bass & guitar funky stuff
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>>115893919
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>>115914600
wow this is great, thanks anon
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>>115915567
alright... is the inner mounting flame a good album to start on?
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>>115915668
yeah that's a good one, not huge on the violin but they're on fire... 
the first Billy Cobham solo album has also some good ones.
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>>115915519
Hard bop classics like Moanin'.
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>>115915519
still a pretty good chart
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>>115915519
>>115917128
and if you're really struggling to "get" it, go to RYM and sort through the jazz-rock and jazz-fusion (especially this) albums. 

If you are attracted to rock and metal for the technical ability you shouldn't have much trouble getting into a lot of these albums, but if you're only into things that are "heavy" then a lot of jazz I think is gonna be hard for you to get into and may not click as easily
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>>115914600
i've been listening to his albums all afternoon, great guy, thanks
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>>115915519
in my teens I really liked Prog Rock (I still do) but from that frame the albums that really kind of got me "into" jazz were:

John Zorn - Spy vs Spy
Art Blakey - A Night in Tunisia 
>Mahavishu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
>King Crimson - Red

Obviously only one of those albums is "Jazz" but trying genres that are influence by it can help you find footing, I suppose.
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>>115915519
i really got into jazz with soft machine and miles davis electric era
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it's not exactly jazz but I just thought this was a cool cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cqGC0Jsw88&list=RD_cqGC0Jsw88 [Embed]

The saxophone is truly one of the best instruments out there bros. I should go practice
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>>115917427
>Mahavishu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
>King Crimson - Red
>Obviously only one of those albums is "Jazz"
Neither of them are jazz, delusional rockist.
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>>115918679
I'm assuming he meant the Jazz Messengers record.
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>>115912070
Love it, this whole wave starting with Henry Threadgill and Steve Coleman are the only people picking back up the thread from bebop without just retreading old ground.
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>>115918792
never heard of 'em, did they invent the whole false fingering thing?
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>>115918848
I'm pretty sure that predates bebop, so no. It's more so in their approach to music, making highly energetic, very dense music with a lot of collective improvisation that retains structure and using extended or more unusual harmonic and rhythmic devices that force players to move outside of typical jazz vocabulary, sort of similar to what bebop did with swing.