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--- 54604391
I work upper management for one of the biggest tech companies in the world and just got word from down the grape vine that mass layoffs from the past few months will be a drop in the bucket compared to what’s coming end of this year into 2024.

I’m talking 90% workforce reduction as AI is already proving that it can completely the exact same job duties as nearly all employees with faster speed and higher accuracy. This will be an absolute bloodbath if you aren’t ready for it.

Good luck anons
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>>54604391 (OP)
AI is really good at writing convicing garbage, if your job is writing bullshit or copying and pasting things from stack overflow and google, then you will be shitcanned.
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>>54604391 (OP)
Software engineer here. Question OP: who is going to operate the AI?
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>>54604423
Project managers/product owners.
People who define software story and feature requirements.

AI will read those and understand the context of a codebase and make the code needed to implement or enhance functionality
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>>54604440
Source: I made it up, but I'm also a software engineer and that's the way I see business adoption of AI looking like.
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>>54604391 (OP)
Please write a short summary of the Iran-contra affair for me. Write it in the form of a plot synopsis for a comedy written by larry david. Clint Eastwood stars as Ronald Reagan. Be as descriptive as possible.
and I got:
Sure, here's a humorous summary of the Iran-Contra affair in the style of a Larry David comedy:

Title: The Secret Arms Dealer

Plot: Clint Eastwood stars as President Ronald Reagan, who gets caught up in a hilarious scheme to secretly sell arms to Iran and funnel the profits to Contra rebels in Nicaragua.

Act 1: President Reagan is feeling down and out as his approval ratings are plummeting. He confides in his friend and advisor, Larry (played by Larry David), who suggests they make a quick buck by selling arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Reagan is hesitant at first, but Larry convinces him that it's a foolproof plan.

Act 2: Meanwhile, a bumbling CIA agent named Bob (played by Bob Einstein) is tasked with delivering the arms to Iran. But when he accidentally sends them to Iraq instead, chaos ensues. Bob tries to cover up his mistake by pretending to be a janitor and accidentally spills coffee on the arms, causing them to malfunction.

Act 3: Back in the White House, Reagan and Larry are ecstatic that their plan is working. But when the scandal is exposed, they're forced to do damage control. Reagan insists he had no idea what was going on, while Larry tries to blame the whole thing on Bob. In the end, they're all caught and Bob is fired, but Reagan and Larry manage to escape with their reputations intact.

Epilogue: As the credits roll, we see Reagan and Larry lounging on a beach in Nicaragua, sipping margaritas and laughing about their wild adventure. They toast to the good life and vow to never get caught again.

That's the summary of "The Secret Arms Dealer"! Hope you enjoyed it.
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>>54604412
>it’s good at doing the thing that 99% of programmers do
Yes I know, I agree
>>54604423
It could still be an SWE but think logically. A team of 10 engineers can now be dropped to a single guy who is prompting AI and fixing little bugs all day.
>>54604440
This is also a possibility but there will need to be at least one technical person to make the AI response cohesive and usable
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>>54604391 (OP)
Just got word the OP is a bundle of sticks. Awaiting further developments.
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>>54604440
Those are the most useless garbage of a company.
It's the software developers who understands the product the most and will be the most needed.
The managers can be automated away even without an AI because they never produce anything of value, and only slow down the work from those who work in the product.
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>>54604391 (OP)
The sign is a subtle joke. The shop is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed", where feed and seed both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the two words beginning with "F" and "S" would have ended with "-uck", rhyming with "Chuck". So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called "Chuck's Fuck and Suck".
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>>54604391 (OP)
>>54604412
>>54604423
>>54604440
>>54604451
>>54604478
>>54604480
>>54604498
>>54604525
>>54604562
>90% of programmers who spent the last years bragging about their salary will now be UNEMPLOYED AND BROKE
>HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
SHOULD HAVE LEARNED A TRADE CODE FAGS
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT A REAL MAN WORKS HARD HE DOESNT JUST SIT AT A COMPUTER CLICKING AND TYPING ALL DAY
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>54604440
>PM writes feature requirement
>AI implements it, but misunderstands the requirements or breaks something else and prompting isn't fixing the problem.
Now what? Is the PM going to fix the code? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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>>54604644
Didn't that guy beat the shit out of his girlfriend and go to jail?
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>>54604391 (OP)
Then why would we need Managers and CEOs by then? AI will allow people to create their own software shops.
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i work at an HFT and we laugh at retards who think some language generator is going to be put in charge of billions of euros. i did use it to debug a register bug though
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>>54604676
>lonely incel has to project his feelings of inadequacy on another guy because he got his feefees hurt by a meme
Lmao! Lol even!
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>>54604525
Good software engineers who have business context will be the best type of "nu dev" who uses AI for shit. 

Non technical oriented product owners will be competing with a wave of skilled engineers coming for their jobs.
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>>54604785
>good software engineers
That’s a weird way to spell “shitty retard coder who can’t perform a single useful job in the real world”
LMAO!!!!
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>>54605002
t. fishpleb
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>>54605041
Speak English code fag. You’ll want to practice your English skills before you get fired and relaxed with AI
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>>54604742

White collar workers always trying to prove their jobs are important and can’t be replaced lmaoo. You think these Chatbots won’t improve at all over the next decade? 

You think Company Boards aren’t itching to fire you all and replace you with cheaper computers
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>>54604391 (OP)

So all white collars job will be automated and gone? SO how the hell is the housing market still up??
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>>54605350
Code fags will continue to be in denial until they get their email saying “you’re fired” lol
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>>54605199
go chop a tree down or something lol

>>54605279
yeah obviously, but they cant. you can cope and you can seethe, now go get my fish
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>>54605279
A company board would be the first thing that would be replaced with AI though, lmao!
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>>54604391 (OP)

Why wouldn't you also be fucked if you have nobody left to manage?
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>>54606675
Yes, literally all you will need to run your enterprise is enough computing power.
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>>54604440
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you are absolutely fucking retarded. Spoken like someone who has never worked with PMs. Good luck. The problem you dumb motherfuckers have is you think the world has “hello world” tier problems to solve. Reality is the problems are way more complicated than that and it’s not even for technical reasons. There’ll be internal issues that muddy the waters of decision making, a poorly documented legacy system that has to stick around and you need to figure out how to update it, interface with it, whatever. It’s midwit motherfuckers like you who will be the first to go because you are genuinely fucking useless retards who do exactly what your masters tell you to do, and right now it’s panicking over the AI boogeyman.
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>>54608578
This. The internet and computers killed a lot of jobs too.
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>>54604391 (OP)
It won’t automate, it makes coding errors all the time but it’ll be a useful tool for coders who know how to utilize it properly. You’ll still need to understand how to code to utilize it
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>>54604440
>>54604391 (OP)
>Project managers/product owners.
Oh fucking lmao this might actually be real. Impressive that PMs are getting ahead of this to automate the engineers before they themselves can get automated.
I admire the grift of it.
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If this really happened, my whole neighborhood would collapse. I work in construction. 90% of everyone around me are computer programmers who dont appear to have any other skills. They are good citizens and nice people, but i wouldn't hire them to mow my lawn.
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>>54604391 (OP)
I would LOVE for AI to just have a massive breakthrough and accelerate our quality of living by insane amounts. I want to live a sci-fi life. Call me reddit or whatever, but I want to see some wicked shit.
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>>54604440
LMAO have you ever worked with PMs? 80% of them just spew buzz words "Ai mobile platform to revolutionize the digital world!"

When you ask them to give you specs its half defined, they have no idea technical limitations, no idea about internal codes and legacy codebases, they have no idea how anything works besides "Hey I want customers to be able to click this button and hit our backend service and get this data back"

Then you realize the back end api isnt complete, or the json is not always following contract, or some multi threading race condition that only happens 20% of time on certain devices....


ya im sure my PM that djs music on the side, and writes excells sheets is going to maintain a full fledged AI that writes code when they cant even figure out how to clone a jira ticket

source. software engineer that works at a fortune 500
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>>54604412
What else is there to programming?
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>q3 2023
>Elon announces Twitter is making profit already
>Also announces that AI is writing half the code
>OP's scenario starts
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>>54604665
Yes lol
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>>54604665
Software engineers won’t just go out of existence, it’s just that LLMs make the job take less time, and also makes the profession accessible to more workers. Look at how shitty the pay is for SEO specialists nowadays. You can go your whole career and not break 70k. This is a direct result of technological advancement in that industry. That’s where software engineering as a profession is headed as well.
--- 54610505
People claiming that AI will eliminate coders are brainlets.
When CAD came out a lot of people were saying that engineering profession is dead. When spreadsheets first came out a lot of people were saying that accountants are done for. 
This shit is not even close and people who say that AI will "eliminate X% of programming jobs" have never shipped or developed software.
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>>54604391 (OP)
My father works at Nintendo and he says your full of shit
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>>54604391 (OP)
>automating all programming
what could possibly go wrong
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>>54609140
I want this but the exact opposite. I hope it disrupts the economy so much that mass layoffs lead to some form of social unrest or civil war or something. Life is too boring. Needs more excitement. And I know I sound like pic related.
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>>54604423
Isn't it possible to make a self-learning, self-iterating AI as long as you can provide the hardware to host it and the people to maintain the physical equipment?
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>>54610505

But accounting when it comes to basic bookkeeping is dead though. Computers do everything now. You just click a button and do exception checks. The pay is shit unless you’re a Chartered Accountant and solve business problems that don’t exist yet you aren’t getting shit as an “Accountant” lmao. 

It’s only going to get worse as the technology improves and it’s improving fast. If there’s anyone who doesn’t think so they are delusional.
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>>54604391 (OP)
2 more weeks.
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>>54604391 (OP)
We're automating Women. Get the fuck in, $33k stealth launch gg/waifuai
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>>54609224
Ex-SWE turned PM here, you are gay and faggot
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>>54604644
THENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHENTHEN
Is this your average amerimutt? You can't speak your native language???
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>>54604391 (OP)
The funniest part is coders will not see it coming despite the fact that literally everyone told them it would happen
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>>54604391 (OP)

Will be hilarious when chatGPT leads to the mass layoffs of ESL offshore software (((engineers))) that make up 80% of /biz/ posters. All AI needs to do is be better than them and senior engineers will outsource their tasks to AI instead of smelly jeets.
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Real question is when will AI replace politicians
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AI can also automate:
>Customer services
>Sales

If you fired a software engineer, you better hope they don't have ideas about improvements which could be made to the company's product. If we are moving into a world where virtually all office jobs are automated, solo entreprenuers who can come up with better ideas and implement them quickly will come out on top.
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>>54612256
Also, if creating software becomes trivial, competition will also increase exponentially. Your company would need something which can't be easily reproduced, like if it's a social network (a network with lots of people is more valuable). If anyone can sneeze out software, and it takes very few people to create it, the value of it falls dramatically.
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>>54604391 (OP)
>>54609140
Based
>>54604412
>>54604423
>>54604478
>>54604498
>>54604562
>>54604644
>>54604679
>>54605350
>>54606675
>>54608739
>>54610510
>>54610519
>>54610931
>>54611076
>>54612102
>>54612184
>>54612227
>>54612256
Puny humans must suffer and perish
>>54612227
Already has.
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Yeah, I called this years ago. My prediction is in the future (about 10 to 15 years) you will see all of these things happen:

1. White collar industries will be mostly replaced by AI and only certain people will be kept around to oversee things
2. A return to more traditional essential jobs that are harder to automate like farmers, construction work, trades in general
3. Making money online and cyber crime will become easier with AI text to speech, AI Image generation, view bots, etc. However this eventually drop off a little bit when the less tech savvy older people start dying off. 
4. Ruralism and the glorification of homesteading. More and more people will start researching how to go off grid and live self-sufficiently. Fleeing the city will be like a 1889 land rush. 
5. Organized crime groups and gangs will start to gain more power again in the cities due to rampant single motherhood, changes in the job market, and lack of order. 
6. Racial ethnonationalist groups will start rising, especially among young white people. 
7. Christianity will have a dead-cat bounce and look like it's coming back strong only to flop again and leave a moral and spiritual power vaccum in its fall. 
8. Looksmaxxing and obsessive levels self-improvement will become more and more common
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>>54612442
Racial and ethnonationalist groups will also fail the to capture spirit, maybe the homesteaders and individualists on the peripheries of society can find some respite where they can listen (to themselves, birds, God, whatever else they want).
What's the deal with 8., what's your reason?
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>>54604440
if anything, managers are gonna get fired first. you'll still need devs to put code together and debug it
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>90% of programmers will lose their jobs to AI!
if the implication is that they can afford to do this and still maintain current output, why wouldn't they apply the same logic, but in reverse: keep everyone in and magically boost your current output by 10x
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>>54606663
The company board investigated the company board purpose and found its purpose wasn’t replaceable by ai.
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>>54605350
>how the hell is the housing market still up??
It's dropping in the western US states. And it will keep doing so.
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>>54612544
>What's the deal with 8., what's your reason?
Society will get more superficial and materialistic due to lack of traditional morals and virtues and their will be an obsession with youth, just like we see in South Korea for example.
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>automating all programmer jobs in 2024
Do you fags remember in 2015 everyone was losing their minds because by 2017 AI self-driving cars were going to replace all the transportation jobs? How did that fucking go? Google just laid off most of their automated driving team and is divesting from the tech. It's now universally agreed that self-driving vehicles are not possible until a complete paradigm shift in the tech occurs.

These AI models reach a point of diminishing returns, where even a trillion additional layers increase accuracy on the validation set by 
0.0001%.

AI is a meme and literally the "two more years bro" of technology.
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Okay but how the FUCK can I use chatGPT without giving my fucking phone number. No, disposable phone numbers on the internet never work. No, in my country I can't use the Google Phone trick.
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Programmerbros... only two more weeks... we should've got jobs doing back breaking labour or crawling in shit fixing peoples pipes for like 60k a year. oh no no no its so over
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>>54612832
It’s quite a good example to analyze because I think there are similarities with the self-driving eliminating truckers and now LLMs eliminating software developers. 

The initial hype with self-driving cars came about because there was so early, proof of concept stuff that looked promising. These came from companies like Waymo where they had controlled environments (Waymo built entire fake neighbourhoods I’m pretty sure) to demonstrate their technology. The problem is that when these things get deployed onto real roads it always ends up fucking up because the real world is unbelievably complicated. That’s purely taking a static view of the roads, because the other problem self-driving cars have to deal with is unexpected road closures, accidents, detours, you name it. All of these things have the potential to cause a problem for the software. The hype has definitively died down on self-driving cars because it’s just an absurdly difficult problem to solve. The other thing to contend with is the absolute nightmare of managing the liability issues of self-driving cars. 

But anyway, let’s talk about programming jobs. ChatGPT blew up because you have your average midwit losing their mind because you could ask it “hello world” tier questions (e.g. make an HTTP request in JavaScript) and it can handle that no problem. But the moment you ramp up the complexity and give it problems you would have in the “real world” it falls flat on its face with useless generic advice because it cannot possibly reason about the nuances you have to deal with in the real world. Making software in the real world is insanely complicated because you’re often just figuring out the right requirements with a bunch of different stakeholders and managing this complexity can become a real mess, much like how roads in the real world aren’t all homogenous and there are all sorts of weird and unusual roadworks around the world.
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Software engineers being replaced doesn't make a whole of lot of sense, it would mean pretty much all white collar roles would be automated, which is millions out of a job. Therefore the government would have to introduce UBI, which would piss off all the blue collar folk who still have to work. The government can and will introduce legislation to prevent AI disrupting the workforce too much. Thats if we get to the point where AI can replace SWE's because we're seeing increasingly diminishing returns and hype fading fast.
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>>54604478
if you could be relaxed by that thing you (npc/psycho) never had place in a creative department
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>>54613292
>this
I’ve had projects where the entire spec from the PM’s was some mock ups made in Figma. It was my job to figure out what technology to use, what language(s) would be best, how to wire it up, how to organize the code, identifying potential exploits, and so on. I’ve never seen the jeetcoders here posting screenshots of ChatJeetPT being able to do any of that shit and that’s what the real world requires (most humans can’t do it either which is why we’re paid so well)
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>>54604451
Software engineers would know how to set that up. Project managers who don't understand how the code needs to work wouldn't. All that will happen is going from launching one shitty feature a month to 10. The companies who would jump to layoffs without thinking about eho would build and run the systems are the same who thought outsourcing to india was a good idea.
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>>54613468
Exactly. What most of these retards don’t realize is a huge amount of time is just trying to make sense of the bullshit you’re tasked with. Sprinkle in some legacy systems you have to work with and there’s just no chance some magical LLM is going to jump in and fix everything. 

There are 2 other big problems that don’t get enough attention with LLMs too: liability and licensing/copyrights. No business will deploy software written by something like ChatGPT without any oversight from a human. A big part of doing business is having agreements in place that essentially translate to “here’s who we can point the finger at if things fuck up”. If you look at OpenAI’s website they have a nice disclaimer warning you that their software might not give you the correct information. This disclaimer will never be removed, it’s obviously not possible for them to ever guarantee correctness from the answers their software spits out. So what then? A business will still need someone to analyze whatever bullshit was generated and sign off on it. Next is licensing. I know companies are already warning their wagies to be careful with the stuff they copy paste into ChatGPT. You just know there are already jeets who have copy-pasted proprietary, closed source software into ChatGPT and now they’ve got more training data, thanks Jeets! I’m pretty sure there have already been examples of their models spitting out answers on things they really shouldn’t have been able to do, and it’s only going to get worse. There will be some big legal issues with this stuff eventually, but we’re still in the early days where it’s too novel for most people to give a shit.
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>>54613616
sounds like something nice liabilities insurance could handle once precedent is set by the stamping out of trolls and ambulance chasers
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>>54609224
Im a project manager and i cant refute this
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>>54613616
There’s already been examples of copilot spitting out chunks (with comments) of fully GPL code. What happens when some jeet puts it into the proprietary backend and someone outside the company finds out? I’ve read through the GPL to find out btw, the answer is one of two things
>the jeet has a short window to remove the GPL code before it becomes a genuine copyright infringement which can be pursued through the normal legal channels
>the jeet just forced the entire project to become GPL and the same issue now applies to anything which imports its code
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>>54609224
Most software projects need UX, Development, QA, Legal, and Marketing collaboration. PMs just make sure all those groups talk to each other. Each of those groups can leverage ai to do their jobs but legal isn't going to write ai bots for code and devs aren't going to write ai prompts for marketing. PMs can't write prompts for any of that. It will be hilarious seeing some boomer CEOs fire everyone thinking it can work like that and walk back the collasal fuck up.
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>>54604440
>Project managers/product owners.

These will be the first to go, actually. Many mature tech teams can already do without them even without the help from AI. Next are the noob software people, the bootcamp types and those fresh graduates. Last to go would the so-called senior devs. Only the architect-level types will survive.
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i just need a couple of months of work and i'm good desu, just wanna buy a guitar and some insulation
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>>54613377
>Therefore the government would have to introduce UBI
no, you would simply be left to starve at the end of a gun barrel
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>>54612844
You can use Monero to buy unique disposable phone numbers$
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>>54604440
>>54604391 (OP)
the most useless aspects of a company is needless layers of management.
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>>54612832
>AI self-driving cars were going to replace all the transportation jobs
https://www.intelligenttransport.com/transport-news/143459/uk-government-funding-helps-launch-worlds-first-autonomous-bus-in-edinburgh/
seems to be on track

>These AI models reach a point of diminishing returns
but we're not, we keep finding out about weird emergent behavior we didn't know about, we're getting a groundbreaking paper like every week now, people are already losing their jobs
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I just used chatGPT to write me some excel vba scripts that would have taken me 3 hours to figure out by myself. using this thing it took me 10 minutes.
I don't think it will replace programmers, but it certainly makes them 10x as powerful and makes their job 10x easier.
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>>54614192
if it makes them 10x as powerful, that means 10% of them won't be needed
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>>54613865
>>54604440
>getting rid of pms
Good luck living in absolute chaos

imagine a bunch of indepdent minded 4chan devs tryin to work with other, much less upper management or customers