diff --git "a/vg/425940941.txt" "b/vg/425940941.txt" new file mode 100644--- /dev/null +++ "b/vg/425940941.txt" @@ -0,0 +1,1818 @@ +----- +--- 425940941 +>Etrian Odyssey Origins Collection +https://atlus.com/etrianorigins/ +https://sq-atlus.jp/sq123/ + +>Beginner's Guide to the Series: +https://imgur.com/a/ggW5g5U + +>Etrian Odyssey Resources (Mods/Patches, References, Data Dumps, Calculators, QR Codes, Skill Sims, etc.) +https://pastebin.com/LBujh3ra + +>Etrian Odyssey Art Books: +https://pastebin.com/Tm1xN2Jy + +>Etrian Odyssey FLAC Albums: +https://pastebin.com/cE8mdiLF + +>Etrian Odyssey Lossy Albums: +https://pastebin.com/crChVqLB + +>The next stage +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0T_zIR9m60 [Embed] + +>Etrian Odyssey Nexus / X +https://atlus.com/etriannexus/ +https://sq-atlus.jp/sqx/ + +>Nexus balance patch mod +https://mega.nz/#F!o1cXTSpB!SW5Ad-o8_pKYOa9LcbyiSg + +>Document containing some resources and information +https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m5G-ZQvXsmM68TCrSv2bWfKz2SfSc7xq-REfMXMhAEc/ + +Previously on /eog/: >>425486316 → +--- 425941469 +First for my wife +--- 425943395 +I think I'll play EO4 next after the last thread. +--- 425946290 +Beastmaster is a good class. +--- 425946891 +Ponytail sniper +--- 425949108 +>>425946891 +>katana handle +Ah, yes. I get it now. Sarashi class changed, yes, yes. +--- 425949737 +>>425946290 +I want all bstggers to die +ffxi? +--- 425952527 +aiee?? +--- 425954092 +>>425952527 +It's over Kururubros. +--- 425955896 +>>425946290 +I'm going to use a beastmaster for the 1st time thanks to this little lassie. Looking forward to it +--- 425956464 +>>425955896 +I wish they made dismiss beast auto-cast at the end of combat when it's max level or somehting like that +--- 425966474 +>>425956809 +This girl is literally half the reason to replay IV. Never had a party without her. +--- 425969195 +>Let the previous thread die because it was awful +Yes, it was me. I watched the thread hit page 10 and did nothing about it. +--- 425971775 +>>425969195 +You monster, I was depending on accurate results from my class poll! +--- 425972272 +>>425971775 +collateral damage +--- 425973197 +>>425955896 +Same except I never played the earlier games, I am easily swayed by cute lolis. +--- 425973350 +>>425969195 +A fresh start is never wrong +--- 425973527 +>>425969195 +The only good posts were the etriam gunner ones near the end anyway, nothing of value was lost. +--- 425973860 +Teach is an agent of chaos +--- 425976568 +>>425966474 +I've been using a Fortress for my 2nd playthrough and goddamn is she an absolute unit. I don't need any healing at all, having Fort-chan defend with Weak Shield active is enough to survive any boss/FOE encounter until the enemy is dead. +--- 425976693 +>>425966474 +>>425976568 +>Strongest +>Also the cutest +Is this legal? +--- 425981348 +Too many fucking blondes +--- 425982452 +>>425981348 +>Not enough fucking blondes +Fixed. +--- 425983010 +>>425981348 +--- 425985051 +>>425925853 → +Letting anyone subclass as a Fafnir would be pretty sick. +--- 425985679 +>>425981348 +>>425983010 +sad bobsknetch noises +--- 425986006 +>>425985679 +Sadly she happens to share a game with the most erotic blonde in the series, she was always going to lose. +--- 425986641 +>>425986006 +Maybe but Bobshark gets to tap that every night. +--- 425990703 +Honest thoughts? +--- 425990998 +>>425990703 +Top 3 Etriam +--- 425991107 +>>425990703 +Great game, easy contender for top 3 in the franchise +--- 425991926 +>>425990703 +I still want to visit the lunaria(?) tecnospire thing in the background +--- 425992805 +>>425990703 +Nene's tight bodysuit-clad armpits give me a boner. +The rest of the game is great too, I suppose. +--- 425993749 +>>425990703 +Can't wait for EOU5 +--- 425996392 +>>425990703 +Best game +--- 425996710 +>>425940941 (OP) +So I was just looking at the resources page when all of the sudden I notice +>EO5: do note that infliction score actually uses MainStat * 2 + LUC for damaging infliction skills + +When did this happen? I thought EO5 was the game that actually got it right and did MainStat*2 + LUC. +I could have sworn that was the case. Did we have bad intel for awhile or am I just suffering from the mandela effect here? +--- 425998052 +>>425990703 +2nd best Etriam +--- 425999854 +>>425990703 +Top 3 behind 3 and 2U +--- 426000426 +>>425986641 +True enough. +>>425990703 +Current my favourite Etriam but I have yet to play 3/4/OG 2 +--- 426003297 +>>425990703 +Best 5th stratum music +--- 426005885 +Is two level rests confirmed for the HD collection? +--- 426009598 +>>426005885 +They haven't shown anything +--- 426012896 +>ded +--- 426014579 +>>426005885 +I'm betting not sadly. +--- 426021759 +>>426005885 +Oh shit. I forgot the first game drops your level by 10 if you rest. That's so bad. +--- 426022542 +>>426021759 +It's 5 after that. 4 is the first to bring it down to 2. +--- 426025157 +I decided to boot up my old EO5 file and my party was made up of Dragoon, Harbinger, Rover, Shaman and Warlock. +IIRC Shaman should be more than enough to handle the healing so I guess everyone else can handle the offense? +--- 426025787 +I have no idea what's going on here but I applaud this guy's mindset of making wacky skills. +--- 426027814 +>>426025157 +Yes. Killing/disabling is also a form of defense. +--- 426029248 +>>426025787 +Has anyone actually played this for impressions yet? I might as well freshen up nexus as well once I'm done injecting my custom portraits +--- 426030061 +>>426029248 +I played an older version and stopped around Dungeon 8/9 so I'm not sure how it stands up now. Last time, I remember being annoyed at Nightseeker's relative slowness compared to the base game due to their reliance on end of turn follow up skills to do damage but it might be better now. +--- 426031302 +>>426029248 +No, but looking it over I can tell I'm not missing much +--- 426033990 +>>426029248 +It has potential but the skill tree design is something that a lot of people probably won't like. +--- 426034609 +>>426025157 +Do you have second names? +--- 426035280 +>>426034609 +I'm at Floor 12 after completing the quest for the legendary armor pieces. I think I was running Cannon, Deathbringer, Hawk, Healing and Elemancer but I'd have to rest and respec. +--- 426036056 +Fifth time's the charm i suppose. +Is this hammer even good or was i wasting my time resetting? +--- 426037258 +>>426036056 +That's Narmer, right? Did you waste a Formaldehyde in that battle? Doing a solo fight against it is easy. +Ah, wait, you don't have a Hoplite. +--- 426039059 +>>426037258 +Yes. Getting strong early seemed like a good idea, but we'll see. +--- 426039658 +I'm new to the series, are there any etrian odyssey titles with modern QoL features like auto mapping and other stuff that I can emulate? I remember trying one and not wanting to play much because I had to make my own maps and didn't like it +--- 426039776 +>>426039658 +You can emulate all of them +--- 426040789 +>>426039658 +all the 3DS ones except 4. +4 still has automapping but it's pretty bad compared to the later ones. +--- 426040910 +>>426039658 +>I had to make my own maps and didn't like it +This series is not for you +--- 426041040 +>>426036056 +Hammer skills are iffy. I only used Freezing Blow with that since I more mileage with swords. +--- 426041092 +>>426040789 +Which one do you recommend to start with? +--- 426041179 +>>426041092 +3, 4, 5, U1, and U2 are all good options +--- 426041241 +>>426041092 +4 was the first 3DS game then Untold 1 > Untold 2 > 5 if you're going by release date. +Most people tend to suggest 4 regardless if you're new to the series (try not to get into any bad habits in this game because the others will tear you a new asshole if you think the series is as easy as it) +--- 426041367 +>>426041092 +Play u2, it's easy to get into and only starts pushing your shit in midway through, so you can get used to how things work in general. +--- 426041637 +>>426041179 +>>426041241 +>>426041367 +I think I'll download 4 and U1 to start with. I'd love to start with newest but if I start too high then it'll be hard to go back and I want to play as many as I can. +--- 426045507 +I’m pretty sure the pastebin had midlevel grimoire qr codes for several useful skills, project valkyrie isn’t very useful until you’re in post game especially if you want something like a natural instinct grimoire. Anyone know what happened to all the old qr codes? +--- 426045626 +>>426041241 +While 4 is arguably the easiest EO game, I've seen people get filtered by it so let's not give people new the series the impression that it's completely brain-dead. +--- 426045927 +>>426045507 +Nevermind i found the old collection in the pastebin. +To be honest I think that should be front and center, it is far more useful than the project valkyrie collection. +--- 426048397 +>>426045626 +>arguably +Anon please, it's objective fact. +--- 426053961 +For me it's blonde shogun +--- 426056815 +>>426053961 +Gonna lick her fang. +--- 426062440 +>>425990703 +My niggas in /eog/ showing this game some love, god bless. I acknowledge its flaws but for me it's just loads of fun to play and replay. +--- 426063090 +>>425990703 +It's my first game of the series but I hate the pugilist. 25 hours of playing and I only managed to bind 3 enemies until now. I had more luck using items to bind than the basic skills. +--- 426064161 +>>426063090 +Yeah, its not really designed to be a dedicated/consistent disabler until you master class it. Until then you have to support it with the various tools at your disposal, eg. wilting miasma, black mist, the right accessories, if you want to bind somewhat consistently. +--- 426065653 +>>426064161 +I'm just pissed because I had built the character for damage at first and then I read about how FUN it is to use binds and how it was so powerful/fun. +I maxed 2 binds to test it and nothing. Then tried one-two punch and I'm lucky if the character even tries to bind something, let alone actually binding it. +The worst part is that I saved by mistake and not in the mood to lose two more levels to fix my mistakes. The fact that binding moves don't carry the elemental buffs just seals it. +--- 426074694 +>>426065653 +Do you have a celestrian or harbinger? By abusing wilting miasma and chain blast and you consistently bind 2-3 parts of any FOE or boss. Follow that up with Leading Blow and pugs can do a lot of damage. +--- 426075182 +>>426000426 +>I have yet to play 3 +DO IT NOW. +--- 426077186 +>>426063090 +>>426064161 +It's been a year or two since I played 5, but I don't remember pug having that much trouble binding in the early game before second name. + +>>426065653 +>I maxed 2 binds to test it and nothing +Level 10 couldn't land a bind consistently this early in the game? That... doesn't sound right. + +>Then tried one-two punch +In the early game, one-two punch is more about DPS than disabling. + + +>>426075182 +>DO IT NOW. +Bruh, there has never been a better time to put off playing 3 then now. Only 2 more months. +--- 426077668 +>>426065653 +Luck affects ailment success rates. I'm not sure if 5 is like Nexus where your strength also affects the ailment rate if the skill deals str based damage. +One Two Punch/Leading Blow are your damage options +If you want a specific part then raise the individual binding skills to 1/5/10 because iirc that's when the binding rates actually increase. Use Double Punch to increase success rates. Later on, you can try messing around with Clinch. +Put in a single point into Status Attack Up or whatever its called for more consistency. +Lastly, consider bringing a Harbinger along for Wilting Miasma. +--- 426080000 +>>426077668 +>I'm not sure if 5 is like Nexus where your strength also affects the ailment rate if the skill deals str based damage. +Apparently it is, which is why Chain Blast is so good +--- 426080786 +Anyone know where I can find a working undubbed rom for Untold 1? +--- 426082714 +>EO2U +Sovereign/Protector/War Magus +Alchemist/Hexer +Is this party retarded? +--- 426084718 +>>426082714 +It's a perfectly good party. +Protector is your staple tank to make sure War Magus doesn't immediately kick the bucket. +War Magus and Hexer have great synergy with each other. +Sovereign's Link Order with a Compression Alchemist will deal funny amounts of damage. +--- 426085687 +Has someone tried a Celestrian Harbinger in EOV? +Harbinger seems to me a bit TP-intensive, so I'm thinking about trading a bit of survivability and luck for more TP by making a Celestrian Harbinger. +Is that worth it? +--- 426086037 +>>426077668 +>>426065653 +Just use black mist, then use chain blast the next turn if black mist gives sub-par results. + +I used Luck gear, but if the formula is 2xStr+luck then str gear is the better choice for infliction and damage. + +Like the others said - One-Two isn't really for binding. +--- 426086379 +>>426085687 +Not really, deathguard blows (in comparison to the other classes - it's like shield dragoon tier, otherwise it's fine). + DeathBringer is about damage and Elf stats won't cut it. Poison Botantist is a better choice for an Elf. + +If your front row is already full then it's fine though. Not like a harb would be doing much damage from the back anyway. +--- 426088349 +on the third stratum. how do i keep my blade dancer alive for general exploration? necro is an evoker, should i go broker for fatter wraith shields? would evasion buffs/equips on masurao help? +--- 426088807 +>>426084718 +I guess that makes me feel a bit better the first row reminds me a ton of the main three of one of my favorite rpgs if I pick the right portraits +--- 426089321 +>>426088349 +A few options if you don't want to go into cheesy gamebreaking methods. + +1) Kill the enemy first. Fire ant ambushes will kill the dancer. + +2) combine ailments/bind with the wraith blocking the few attacks that come your way while the the blade dancer goes all out. + +Fire ants will still kill the dancer. + +3) Put armor on the Dancer when exploring + +4) Just let it die. +--- 426089765 +>>426088349 +>>426089321 +Oh and Level 9 Layered Bloom is the move of choice when Hell Slash isn't viable. +If you're a pussy level 9 sacred tetrad instead does consistent single target damage. +--- 426091767 +>>426085687 +Harbinger is Earthlain if you want it to be completely self sufficient and Therian if you have someone else to handle the ailment infliction and just want to cast Miasma. + +>>426080000 +>>426086037 +Its more of a it depends tier thing to be honest. For example, Luck gear usually comes with TP which would make them appealing for TPlets due to them getting an extra attack/skill in. Chain Blast scaling off 2x Int explains a lot though. Especially if you're using like an Elemancer since Clever Strike builds usually have a ridiculous amount of free SP. +--- 426092374 +>>425541989 → +Thank. +--- 426099037 +>>426088349 +If you have a dragoon then go shield dragoon for divide guard. Dancer+Evoker+shield is actually pretty strong, its pretty much the only way to make shield dragoon good. + +Otherwise use ailments, and consider only using 3 katanas on occasion for certain fights. +--- 426101785 +>>426089321 +>>426089765 +i haven't even reached the ants yet. i'm guessing they use party wide attacks. wraiths don't seem to handle those well at all. +now that i think about it, the main problem i'm having with dancer is the rest of my party not getting their hits in quick enough for hell slash to kill everything before the enemy can make their move. they just need to breathe in my party's general direction and my paper thin wraiths fall over and the dancer finishes everyone else off for them +--- 426102862 +>>425990703 +I hate it. It was a big letdown after Untold 2. +I'm replaying Nexus (after dropping it the first time after reaching the second stratum) So I'll give a second chance to V as well. +The only thing I remember enjoying in 5 were Necros and Pugilists. I don't even remember the rest of the classes, except for Harbingers, because these are in Nexus as well. +--- 426102992 +>>425990703 +I disliked it (got filtered) until I started using Pugilist. I still don't like the stratums though but Fetid Necropolis is ok. +Needs more non potato lolis. +--- 426103176 +Why does EO5 try to meme you into thinking that Dodge Fencers work as dodge tanks and aren't complete dog water? +--- 426103976 +>>426103176 +>Another soul who fell for the lightweight meme +You're doing it wrong. +--- 426104130 +>>426103176 +There is that 1 video where a dodge fencer deletes star devourer after evading all of his nukes turn 1, and i think that's pretty cool. +--- 426111191 +>>426074694 +I actually use chain blast to fight against FOEs because the pugilist sucks so much. I actually took the purge and lost another 2 levels to respec and ignore the shit bindings. +>>426077186 +>It's been a year or two since I played 5, but I don't remember pug having that much trouble binding in the early game before second name. +Like I said, it sucked. I don't know if playing in the expert mode makes a difference but is not really easy to bind enemies. +>Level 10 couldn't land a bind consistently this early in the game? That... doesn't sound right. +8 tp, 50% chance. At first I just spammed the same bind but I learned that it don't work like that. Then I tried alternating. At the 7th level (my character was level 27 when I decided to respec again), I managed to bind 3 opponent in the same strat. +>In the early game, one-two punch is more about DPS than disabling. +Yeah, but if you search online they act as if it was a reliable tactic to use it. +>>426077668 +Yeah. I gave up this build. It's easier to just use overexertion and thunder fist. If I use chain blast and attack with everything I have few enemies last long enough for it to end. My luck in games and real life suck. +>>426086037 +I have a fencer, masurao, pugilist, necro and shaman. Love every single one. This is my 4th restart (new parties and all) and it's going strong. +--- 426114226 +>>426103176 +You should be able to tell by the end of the second stratum that EO5 adores spamming you with enemies with full team AOE attacks, if you still somehow think Dodge fencer can work after seeing all that then you have no one to blame but your own retardation. +--- 426116037 +I have never used fencer in my V runs. What do i miss out on? +--- 426117365 +>>426103176 +It actually can work better than people think. It'll take a while for them to get going but here's a tip: give them that accessory that gives them a shit ton of TP. They need tons of TP in order to spam divine gust and wind curtain since they're so high cost. You want Ray of Light too, ignore light weight.Predict and deft thrust will pull and evade single target attacks in random encounters just fine. Evade tanks work better in teams with high offensive power and crippling potential, you can't expect them to save everyone's ass 100% of the time and function like a normal tank. Use them in combination with a Shaman and haste prayer as well. Combine that with phantom swords and blind when possible. +--- 426118250 +I decided I want to play an RPG and figured I'd go with Etrian Odyssey. Granted, I've never played it, but I've had it shilled to me plenty of times. +I'm thinking of going with either EO3 or EO5, thoughts? +--- 426118347 +>>426118250 +EO5 is the most different game in the series +EO3 is the best +If your only going to play one etriam do 3 +--- 426118775 +>>426118347 +>EO5 is the most different game in the series +That's EO4, stop lying +>EO3 is the best +Except it isn't as it's plagued with a number of issues other games do better. +>>426118250 +EO5 has for more QoL than EO3, and it doesn't have a single class that's bad unlike EO3 so you don't have to worry much over team building. +--- 426118809 +>>426111191 +Sorry that you had such bad luck with Pugs Binds, but PEMN and all that +--- 426119429 +>>426118775 +>That's EO4, stop lying +Whats different about 4 other than the airship and the piss easy difficulty? +5 is the only game with different races to choose per class, and it has master titles instead of subclassing which completely changes how you think about making your characters compared to subbing +>Except it isn't as it's plagued with a number of issues other games do better. +I'm sorry to say you have shit taste +--- 426119494 +>>426118347 +I'll probably play another sometime later, maybe the Switch remakes when that releases. +>>426118775 +I figure since it came later it'd probably be the easier one to get into. If I choose 5 I should be playing it on Expert according to the OP, right? +--- 426119534 +>>426118775 +EO3 does not have bad classes, it has outclassed classes +--- 426120763 +>>426119429 +Making it very obvious you haven't played many EO games. +EO1/1U and EO2/2U don't have subclassing either and advance classes don't work much different than it does building a Whip Dark Hunter vs a Sword Dark Hunter. +>I'm sorry to say you have shit taste +Seethe harder and play more EO games. +--- 426121441 +>11 years since release +>EO4 is still living rent free in his head +--- 426121514 +>>426118809 +Yeah. I don't even blame the game, to be honest. +It's just bad luck. +Shame because some of the FOEs should be really easy if a bind could be used reliably, like the damn girafes that you must kill in 2 turns. +--- 426121745 +every game before 5 may as well not exist desu +--- 426121810 +>>426121441 +Don't even have anything against EO4 but you're straight up lying if you're pretending that EO4 is exactly the same as all the other games in the series. +--- 426122208 +>>426121745 +We'd be stuck with a top 3 etriam, a bottom of the barrel etriam and emd2 +No thanks +--- 426122434 +>>426119494 +All the games are balanced and intended to be played on Expert, that's correct. +It may sound "gamer elitist" to say but when it comes to Etrian Odyssey if you're not coming for the gameplay the developers intended for you may as well not play the games at all. +--- 426123161 +>Some post says EO4 is merely different and nothing else +>EO4 baby gets instantly mind broken and makes a schizo post +Embarrassingly fragile. +--- 426123256 +>>426118775 +>>426120763 +>Terrible posts +>Finishes up with a 'seethe harder' as if we didn't already know it's that newfag from /v/ +--- 426123282 +>>426121745 +Then who gave birth to etriam 5? +--- 426123474 +>>426123282 +Nene's armpits +--- 426123501 +>>426123256 +>zero argument whatsoever +>using the word seethe automatically makes you from /v/ +Good job ignoring my actual point about Advance Classes while also not denying you haven't played most EO games. +--- 426123763 +gun-ko butt has come to save this thread before it gets any worse +--- 426123802 +>>426116037 +links +failing to dodge +--- 426123982 +>>426116037 +The best and most fun follow up attacker in the series with some good extra utility, just pretend that Phantom Duelist doesn't exist. +--- 426124089 +>>426118250 +I decided I'd go with 5 since 1-3 are coming to PC in around 2 months time. In general how many of each role should you try to fit in your party? +--- 426124371 +>>426124089 +General rule is you want to make everyone female if possible. +--- 426124487 +>>426124089 +Generally the go to for a balanced team is: Tank/ Physical Attacker/ 2nd Attacker or Debuffer / Magic Attack / Healer/Support. +Just review all the classes and see which ones you like the most and ask again once you have an idea for a team. +--- 426124639 +>>426124089 +1 healer (can be omitted if you play 4), 1 buff/debuffer, 3 dps. +--- 426126607 +>>426116037 +Chain Killer +--- 426127404 +>>426124089 +Get 1 of each race. At the end of the first floor you can reclass if you want to pair a specific race with a certain class. There is some min-maxing you can do here for example making a chain fencer a bunny for slightly better stats, but you don't need to worry about it that much. + +The reason why you want at least 1 of each race is because of the race skills. Some are broken, some can fill niches your party might not be able to fulfil and you don't want to get halfway into the game and think "fuck I wish I had an elf". Race skills offer great value for the individual skill points they demand. + +Other than that, just use dragoon, botanist, and 3 damage dealers if you want a traditional rpg party to ease you into the series, hard to go wrong with that set up. +--- 426133371 +>>426123982 +Question is, does any of that matter if follow up attackers and parties are gay and lame? +--- 426136551 +How should I build my Fortress (sub Dancer) after maxing all of her defensive passives? My only options are hammer skills and dances, and I already have a dancer. +--- 426136979 +>>426136551 +If your Fortress has all of her defensive passives and dancer's Fan Dance then there's nothing else you can really invest into, your Fortress is already a perfect tank that will parry/dodge most hits coming her way +--- 426138643 +>>426133371 +What is not gay and lame in this age? +Relax and enjoy the ride, anon. +--- 426138881 +>Lv 51 now +>Party is still equipped with 4 def +1 agi boots +Should probably start dual wielding for forge effects soon. Does a Medic need speed books to overtake a NS + Landy or is a forged dagger/acc enough? +--- 426139476 +>>426124371 +>>426127404 +True. + +>>426124487 +Magical damage dealers are completely optional in this series and outside of 3 and maybe 1 they don't particularly stand out or outperform the other damage dealers at any point. + +Tank classes are really damage mitigation classes, use one if you're too stupid to use debuffs and status effects/binds from the start of the game. + +Healers can be replaced in the same way as above, but you'll probably want to be bothered to use one in your first EO game. +Even for veterans the healer option is usually "least boring healer" rather than no healer because it can be somewhat tedious to haul around healing items. +--- 426140906 +I started 1 with the story mode. The only thing I find off is the inventory limit of 60. Outside of that it's really good. I got to the point where the two party members at the start of the game told me to go back to town. +--- 426141090 +>>426114226 +Dodge Fencer is not a tank. I have no idea why so many people think that it's a tank when in reality its just another attacker. +--- 426141503 +>>426124639 +Virtually every EO4 party has either an Arcanist or a Dancer covering healing and even then you can argue that Arcanist is the offensively minded "healer" like War Magus before it. +--- 426141551 +>>426140906 + +Always play on expert, look here +>>424597120 if you want quick advice on builds. +Always be sexually aggressive towards the blonde girl, always be be mean to the blonde dude, have fun. +--- 426141779 +>>426141551 +Thanks. I'll save it for later so I can look at it. +--- 426142326 +>>426141090 +Because he sucks at DPS and is barely useful only as a dodger spammer. +--- 426143143 +>>426142326 +>He fell for the Urumi meme +--- 426144749 +>>426140906 +Start over on classic. +--- 426144942 +>>426140906 +Don't listen to >>426144749, most of the content is locked behind story mode and the story party is pretty good for a first-timer anyways. +--- 426145253 +>>426143143 +Nah. Actually played the class. +It sucks. Chainer, at least, is fun. This isn't even that. +--- 426145360 +>>426144942 +Untold's story modes are not Etrian, one of the biggest appeals is making your own party. I don't care what difficulty he plays on or what game he starts with, just don't start with story mode. He's not missing much content anyways and it's not worth playing story mode for. +--- 426146313 +>>426124487 +>>426124639 +>>426127404 +I had to do something else first, but now I'm creating my party. So far I'm thinking something like: +>Dragoon +>Harbinger +>Herbalist +I'm pretty undecided on the last 2, though. +--- 426146927 +>>426146313 +I would recommend Masu or Pug for the front, then choose between Shaman, Rover, or Necro for the back +--- 426147132 +>>426144942 +>most of the content is locked behind story mode +lmao wtf is this propaganda +--- 426147403 +>>426146927 +I saw that Masu's can quad-wield which sounds pretty funny, though I don't know how well that'd actually work in my party. +--- 426148571 +>>426147403 +Probably not, but they also work well as physical damage support which would help your Harbinger and (later on) your Dragoon. Pug has a good single target buff if you want to focus all your buffs on it or Dragoon, but Masu can help everyone with their tools. + +For the back row option, Shaman's just a generally good buffbot that becomes fairly important if you want to maximize Dragoons damage later, Rover is a solid physical attacker that can Bind like Pug (which can potentially help your Masu later on) and has access to a bit of healing, and Necro creates Wraiths to do various things with and can get a skill that can lock an opponent down in return for making them only really vulnerable to elemental damage. +--- 426148987 +>>426146313 +Assuming you dont class change, then you need an elf and a bunny if you want to have one of each class. Don't pick Rover+necro because they don't work well together. But any of the other 3 combinations all work, pick the ones with your favorite portraits. +--- 426149045 +>>426139476 +You're speaking like someone with very little experience. +You straight up can't beat the post game of EO1, EO1U and EO2U without a Tank. +You're trying way too hard to pass them off like a healer situation. +EO3 ailments and binds are near useless most of the time so you're going to be running Hoplite unless you're doing low man or solo Ninja dodge tank strats that no new player will ever do. +EO5 even if you're not using a Dragoon you're probably using a Necromancer while not realizing they're actually a Tank class as well. +--- 426149360 +>>426147403 +You have a Dragoon so you can make your Dragoon the boring full tank option so your Sword Bunny can go for the quirky 4 sword option with no pain. + +Honestly, Now that you have Dragoon and Herbalist is does NOT matter AT ALL what you choose for the remaining three slots. +Just make sure not to use Rover and Necromancer in the same party and you'll be able to clear the game just fine. + +Don't choose shield dragoon unless you decide to go with a 4 sword bunny and you shouldn't find yourself lacking damage. +--- 426149413 +>>426145360 +These retarded anti-untold shitters still hang around here? +>>426147132 +Then they clearly show that they've never played those games, EO2U was the only one where you can still play the new content in Classic mode. +--- 426149503 +>>426148571 +>in return for making them only really vulnerable to elemental damage. +Or rather, only really vulnerable to skills that don't care about physical resistance (which both Dragoon and Masu can potentially take advantage of) +--- 426149562 +>>426149360 +>Shield Dragoon +That's the one that does Damage Reduction and gets the skill that lets you attack while extending your Damage Reduction an additional turn, right? I was probably planning on using that one, so maybe I will go with the 4 swords then. +--- 426149820 +>>426149045 +Post game is a different beast altogether. +Outside of 1 and 2 he can just get elemental blocking skills from grims/subs and/or mists. + +At some point - for the fucking super boss, you might truly be required to be bothered with the tank class if you want to reduce the RNG. + +4,5, and Nexus are terrible games to go "you need a tank" for when most of the bosses can't stand in front of a competent player for more than 5 turns. +--- 426149914 +>>426149413 +>retarded anti-untold shitters +Holy fuck, you are so fucking retarded. +First of all, nobody even brought up the untold vs original argument, we're only talking about story vs classic mode you mind broken pathetic faggot. +Secondly +>MOST OF THE CONTENT +admit you missed out a key, very important word (I'll give you a hint, starts with N) or actually just KYS. Right now. + +Story shitters actually have brain rot, god damn +--- 426149940 +>>426149562 +Dragoon does both of those at a base. You don't really need or want to use Shield Dragoon unless you're running 4kat Masu, and even then I'd sooner rely on lockdown/offense +--- 426150307 +>>426149820 +No one will realistically want to grind a tank from zero after the post game, if they intend to do the post game they'll use a tank from the very beginning. +>4,5, and Nexus are terrible games to go "you need a tank" for when most of the bosses can't stand in front of a competent player for more than 5 turns. +No one mentioned EO4 and if your point is just "j-just Pugilist cheese and Masurao Hell Slash the entire game!!!" then you don't have an argument at all and you shouldn't even be allowed to talk to anyone asking for first time advise. +--- 426150457 +>>426145360 +>story modes are not Etrian +Neither is automap or easy mode, but people use it anyways +--- 426150510 +>>426149562 +Ah to be clear - later in the game when it tells you "pick your super cool specialization with hand-crafted chuuni names!" + +Don't pick shield dragoon unless you're also looking for an easy way to support 4 sword bunny. +Not because it's weak but because it's boring. + +Sadly, cannon dragoon has all the tools to do it's job in a normal group and is at least slightly more interesting. + +You'll already have boring fully covered by the herbalist - but they are boring in the "man this thing is just way too fucking good at it's job." fashion. +--- 426150565 +>>426149914 +You're clearly the ESL sperg that tends to appear around these hours as you're showing that you're incapable of picking up even the most basic context clues, so not going to give you any more (You)s so that you don't derail the entire thread as part of yet another sperg melt down. +--- 426150967 +>>426150307 +Eat shit. Use absolutely anything at any level of proficiency and you'll be fine in 4,5, and Nexus. + +For the other games, you'll be in only be in trouble if you don't have Subs or Grims. + +At worst they can look up how to beat the super boss without a tank (which 90% will do anyway even if they already had a tank class). +Although most players won't even reach the super boss before moving on anyway. +--- 426151376 +>>426150967 +Well that didn't long for you long to sperg out lol. +And when you literally have to say "just look up how to beat a boss", that's the biggest and clearest sign of all new players should steer away from anything say. +--- 426151603 +>>426149940 +>>426150510 +I'll go with the other Dragoon choice, then. Thinking about it Pugilist seems like a really good choice with all of the binds it can inflict, but Masu seems like the fun option and I can always go with a Hawk Rover to at least inflict Head Binds. +--- 426151727 +>>426151376 +Yeah, I'm sure every veteran here is a battle forged warrior - They never looked at skill sims, always played through each EO game from beginning to end without jumping around, and always took notes to figure out all of the quirks/patterns for the super bosses - which they beat with no outside tips or knowledge whatsoever. +--- 426152074 +>>426151603 +Cannon dragoon is really fun. +Buster cannon can do 520% * 2 * 2.5 every 3 turns. +You can get another multiplier in there too but it actually takes some setup to get going. +--- 426153149 +>>426151727 +....Except plenty have including me lol. The only possible exception would be to look up enemy vulnerabilities in 1-3 but that's not a thing in later games as that's what analysis scopes are for and it also won't be a thing in the remasters of 1-3. +Don't assume everyone is a shitter who can only use cheese and guides like you. +Don't assume new players want to be like you either. +--- 426153410 +>>426153149 +Also conditional drops but that's more a completionist thing. +--- 426154665 +>>426151727 +It's funny when people think there's something wrong with doing any (or all) of that +--- 426154910 +Why are you same fagging? +--- 426154986 +>>426154910 +Damnit. How could you tell I was samefagging to make the general seem alive and not an actual newfag? +--- 426155086 +>>426154910 +Who's samefagging according to you? +--- 426155164 +>>426155086 +You know exactly who considering you replied. +--- 426155518 +>>426155164 +No, I asked because I don't +--- 426155558 +>>426149413 +I don't know how I'm a "shitter" for being against story mode. I like both games on classic, I just don't support Atlus's attempt at going for the persona audience. +--- 426155726 +>>426155558 +>Having set main characters automatically makes you Persona +You need to be 18 or older to use this image board. +--- 426155830 +>>426153149 +>>426151727 +>>426154665 +Since when was looking up stats for skills considered being a shitter. +--- 426155981 +YUKEEEE KAZE NO GOTOKUUUUU +MAKAI NO KENSHI YO +--- 426156056 +>>426155830 +NTA I've beaten every game and super boss and have never once looked up skill damage/buff modifiers. +Have always found it obvious if a skill is good or not just by using it. +--- 426156338 +>>426155558 +Anon, Persona Q was Atlus' attempt to go for the Persona audience. +Persona did not invent jrpgs having characters. +--- 426156484 +don't care, now reminder that Yggdroids are best +Also they should've had their own weapon class or at least the ability to equip anything other than daggers, even if it was just swords or hammers +--- 426156731 +>>426156056 +>Have always found it obvious if a skill is good or not just by using it. +With numbers like these? Go fuck yourself +--- 426157039 +>>426156731 +>Inspect Element +--- 426157226 +>>426156731 +>You can't beat the game without a full party Fear skill +Anon pls, I've never once even bothered using a single target fear skill let alone an AOE one. +Not to mention Beasts were completely borked by bugs in EO2. +--- 426157352 +>>426157226 +>>You can't beat the game without a full party Fear skill +That's not really the argument here. The argument you presented was that you could find it obvious if a skill was good or not just by using it. Which you clearly cant without maxing out every single skill and testing it on enemies. +--- 426157416 +>>426156056 +Do you care whether someone else does or not? +--- 426157758 +>>426157352 +I mean it's clearly an awful skill for the first 4 skill points? That's still obvious just by using it and I'm not going to be loosing sleep by finding out that it stops being awful after the 5th point especially when OG EO2 Beasts have so many other problems plaguing it. +>>426157416 +You seem to care a whole lot when people don't. +--- 426158527 +>>426157226 +I wonder if they'll make modifications to the Loyalty passive or it'll still become suicidal the higher it goes, especially with the protectee's vit calculated in the damage incurred instead of the beast's. +--- 426158710 +>>426158527 +They said they'll be fixing all bugs and exploits, but will not change any original intended effects. +--- 426160350 +>>426150457 +>Auto mapping +I think you mean the auto walling aspect of it. Auto filling the floor instead of having to color in every aspect of it was present since the first floor. +--- 426162480 +>426150565 +peak schizo. I'm not the one so bad at constructing sentences that they change meaning entirely like I skipped preschool. Imagine being so butt blasted at this so you create a boogeyman +--- 426162610 +SEA monkey hours are always the worst, good night folks. +--- 426162753 +>>426154910 +resident schizo hasn't taken his meds today, uh oh stinky + +>>426162610 +says the butt blasted schizo that shits up the general then blames an entire timezone lmao +--- 426163149 +>schizo calling everyone else a schizo. +--- 426164076 +>>426149413 +>retarded anti-untold shitters +Obsessed and rent free, holy shit. You literally just saw people talk about an aspect of Untold and freaked out, now look at the state of this thread. +The absolute psychopaths that either side of the argument create, good lord. The power of autism and children's videogames. + +>>426162610 +>outing yourself out as an ameritard +Not surprised. It's typical american education to feel the racist need to cry about ESLs but be unable to use English effectively themselves. Hopefully now the thread can heal now it's past your bedtime. +--- 426164291 +>>>US is the only country in the world where it's currently night time +................ +--- 426164665 +It's so tiresome +--- 426164778 +>>426164665 +There's a reason we don't post during these hours anon. +--- 426165654 +>>426155726 +>>426156338 +Chill guys, it was just a light jab at Persona. Either way it was clear that they were going for a wider audience and I'm strongly against EO going that direction. Its not good to have new players start with story mode because that's really not representative of the rest of the series. +--- 426165898 +>>426165654 +While a wouldn't say the Untolds are the best games to starts with, I also disagree that the story mode is bad for beginners. +It starts them off with a pretty solid team comp that allows you to figure out how EO as a game functions and how class synergies work, instead of going in blind and making a shitty comp by mistake due to a lack of knowledge and experience. +--- 426166437 +>Jack Frost merchandise still going strong 1,000 years later. +How does hee do it? +--- 426166974 +>>425983010 +I love the blonds in blue! +--- 426167132 +I have a general idea for the rest of my party, but what should I invest my Masu's points into early on? +--- 426167219 +>>426167132 +Air Blade +--- 426167232 +>>426167132 +What Masurao do you intend to use? Blade Master or Blade Dancer? +--- 426167281 +>>426167232 +Whichever one isn't the quad-wielder. +--- 426167512 +>>426167132 +Mining +--- 426167697 +>>426167281 +That's Blade Master, which is focused on single target damage. +Armor Pierce is good for doing damage while debuffing defense, upgrading you passive skills for extra damage will be your focus early on. +Air Blade is a Ranged attack to deal full damage to enemies on the back line. +Even if you aren't going to use Blade Dancer the Peerless Demon Skill is still good as Blade Master also has skills that can hit a single enemy multiple times. +--- 426167890 +>>426166437 +being more popular than etriams +--- 426171827 +46 IPs in this thread and 40 of them are me +--- 426173946 +I don't think we should make a new general after this one, it's clearly become unsalvagable. +--- 426174443 +>>426173946 +Don't think we need to go that far, we all know when the usual spergs crawl out of their shit hole so just avoid giving them any attention. +--- 426177681 +>>426171827 +We know, Blot. +--- 426178342 +>>426167132 +Duel, Armor Pierce, High Ground. If you have leftover points and want a cheap filler move then Air Blade. +--- 426179218 +46 IPs in this thread and 6 of them are me +--- 426180006 +>>426165654 +One of the shitposters outed themselves as having come from the persona general. Please don't poke fun at persona again cause it clearly triggers them. +You're actually completely correct by the way. The main promotional material for the untolds focused on appealing to retarded waifufags. It's actually pathetic they show handholding scenes from both games just to bait you into the romance sub plot. +--- 426180063 +>>426149045 +>>426149360 +>>426149360 +Anon, can you help me with something? +I'm starting EOV and tried playing with the dragon and necro and the dragoon seems like the worse tank than the necro full stop. +This is my necro and I'm currently in the 8th floor. A single point in fierce shield is enough to deny almost all damage in the round (the only issue is piercing damage) caused by FOEs and, contrary to what people say the random encounters are unable to kill a wraith in a round unless they focus a lot (exception-3 moles that are able to bury themselves). With my shaman and it's passive healing and buffs, I usually don't have any issues surviving a round to ''reestock'' the wraiths (when they don't appear by themselves) or use poison. AND the wraiths stay after the battle. The necro actually helped me defeat FOEs way before I should. +The dragoon however does this job but seems subpar compared with the necro. The bunkers are slow to appear and the enemies seem to ignore them too much (without a power like Fierce shield), the other powers seem to be to mitigate damage from the party but in the expert mode enemies still hit like a truck. If I use dragoon roar to try and bring attacks to my dragoon, my ''friends'' would be splashed by some attacks, while fierce guard can block splash damage just fine. When researching the class some say to ignore bunkers and others to focus on them and I was unable to find a how to play the class (in this case a typical turn to avoid damage to other part members like a tank should). +After all this setup, could you please explain how a dragoon works? Imagine that you are fighting a FOE and need a turn to heal everyone (a hit and they will be dead). A fencer can use wind wall, a necro fierce shield to give a example of classes that I used (necro is the best tank because he can do it every round, with a minimum cost). What a dragoon can do? If you have any videos or guides it would help a lot. Thanks in advance. +--- 426180541 +>>426180063 +>unironically listening to nu-/eog/ +--- 426180758 +>>426167132 +Just a small tip: +If you want to grind and scout new enemies when starting a floor (specially if you play in expert) pick new challenger. While you will not meet every enemy this way, it can help you knowing what you will face and get some xp in the process. +--- 426181202 +>>426180063 +Sorry, forgot the image. +>>426180541 +? +--- 426182282 +>>426180063 +Randoms are too short for Bunkers to be worth it and Dragon Roar has all the issues that comes with provoke skills. If you're relying on those then its not a surprising that you'd find Dragoon bad. + +Their main playstyle for the first 2 dungeons is to use Line Guard/Mana Guard and Gunmount to save TP from spamming them all the time. Since you have the extra SP, then depending on your team comp, stuff like Tri Shield and Black Mist are also useful based on your team's needs. +--- 426184076 +>>426180758 +A better tip, don't grind at all. +Go play final fantasy or titty adventure #586687 if you want another brainless game to crush with pure stats. +All EO has going for it is the battles are fair but require some form of thought. +--- 426184578 +>>426182282 +>If you're relying on those then its not a surprising that you'd find Dragoon bad +Sorry, I think I didn't explain correctly what I meant: +When I talked about bunkers and dragoon roar I was explaining why those skills seems subpar compared with the equivalent necro skills. Not that I relied on them. + >Their main playstyle for the first 2 dungeons is to use Line Guard/Mana Guard and Gunmount to save TP from spamming them all the time. +Yeah, that's what I thought. So the dragoon is more about mitigating damage to the team and not actually tanking things and redirecting damage to himself? +Thanks, anon. I can understand how it works in practice but for my play style is not optimal. +>Since you have the extra SP, then depending on your team comp, stuff like Tri Shield and Black Mist are also useful based on your team's needs. +Outside of Chain Blast (for some FOEs) I actually most use racials for gathering and events instead of battles. +--- 426184626 +>>426182282 +Agreed, dragoons (and protectors in general) are about reducing damage just enough so that your team survives to be healed. They tend to be the easiest to use and most convenient source for damage mitigation. + +That's why they can often be replaced by (de)buffs, ailments/binds, and/or careful play. + +Necromancers go about it in a different way and have different weaknesses as a result, but for the most part the end result is "absorbs just enough damage that no party member dies before getting healed". Although sometimes you don't have to heal at all and only the necro loses some tp. +--- 426185204 +>>426184626 +Thanks, anon. This is the way I played when I tried the class. +What caused the misunderstanding was the mention of bunkers. I thought that they could be used similar to wraiths to avoid all damage in the turn and was unable to use them reliably enough in this way. +But thanks it helped a lot. When I finish 5 (who knows when) I will try other protectors. I saw this smug loli and want to see her kicking some asses. +--- 426185386 +>>426184626 +Some teams tend to use their debuff slots for other things and in some games, bosses can hit so hard that even with a debuff, you need need the Guards/Antis to not die. +--- 426186526 +>>426185386 +>(de)buffs +There are buff slots and debuff slots. +If using one isn't enough use both. +Then there is the concept of stacking different buffs and debuffs. +If the issue is "I want to use those slots for other things instead of damage mitigation/survival" then either use defend, ailments/binds, or fucking die then. + +It's up to the player if they will dedicate a party slot to defense or use some other method (subs or grims in later games come into play depending on the game). +--- 426187558 +>>426186526 +Anon, I'm just saying that there are more factors in play when it comes to the utilization of buffs/debuffs when it comes to damage reduction and similarly ailment/bind application is RNG and so its perfectly possible for them to not land and/or drop off at the wrong time. + +Protector and the series of classes that have spawned from them may be very one dimensional in use in many games, but they do provide a reliable and consistent source of damage mitigation that stacks with other sources of damage mitigation without using up any slots or running into diminishing returns in the games where that is applicable. For a new player to the series, there is nothing wrong with having one around as it allows them to get the hang of things before they're ready to experiment with more offensive compositions. +--- 426190317 +Post your favourite boss design. +--- 426193648 +>>426190317 +--- 426194864 +>>426190317 +No contest +--- 426196113 +I'm nearly done with my 2nd playthrough and I just noticed that when looking away from a tile with an icon on it, the image briefly changes to whatever icon is placed in the top-left corner of the map. I tried with other icons and got the same result. +--- 426196238 +>>426196113 +Correction, you need to be looking at an annotated tile. It doesn't matter if the tile you're looking at has an icon on it. +--- 426196969 +>>426190317 +Keetos +--- 426198776 +>>425863487 → +Fuck whoever made this comp possible. +Was on holiday yesterday and part of today so didn't progress much. +--- 426199746 +>>426190317 +Definitely the Automaton King for me, though the Progenitor definitely comes pretty close to him +--- 426200480 +>>426180541 +I tried tell him to not run both a Dragoon and a Necromancer together but the newfags were throwing a tantrum about it +--- 426201539 +>>426196969 +all this time i thought narmers fins were legs +--- 426201541 +>>426200480 +>Bunker Dragoon +>Ever being needed +My Bunkerless has been fine the entire game. +--- 426201813 +>>426201541 +You're still running two tanks on one team and Canon Bearer is more effected over it, and he doesn't want Shield Bearer because already mentioned. +You're just trying to justify your own decisions instead of what's actually best. +--- 426202219 +>>426184076 +>All EO has going for it is the battles are fair but require some form of thought +Also the character and monster designs, mapping, and music +--- 426202354 +>>426200480 +>>426201813 +Bunkers are bait. If you're running both in the same party, then you just decide which one handles the tanking when needed and which one is the offensive unit. Hell, you can run both of them offensively and only use Fierce Shield when needed. +The other anon's issue was a fundamental misunderstanding of the class which was easily resolved. +--- 426203287 +Does anyone have the changelog for the /eog/ version of the Nexus balance patch? I want to compare it to the Overhaul mod although something tells me that the /eog/ one is likely to come out on top due to not having nonsense like >67% Auto Miasma proc rates +--- 426204402 +How viable is warrior might in nexus? For the main game at least, not sure if i want to go into postgame with it. +--- 426204423 +>>426203287 +>Miasma +Good thing you don't need it +--- 426205170 +>>426204423 +I wouldn't be asking about it if I wasn't planning on using the class as an ailment inflictor. +--- 426205306 +>>426202354 +You're ignoring all the vital parts and just obsessing over specifically bunkers. it ultimately becomes a matter of this once again: +>You're just trying to justify your own decisions instead of what's actually best. +--- 426205346 +>>426204423 +>EO5 +>100% Auto Miasma +>Nexus +>100% Auto Miasma +>Overhaul +>67% + +That's just nerfing consistency for no good reason dumbfuck. +--- 426205401 +>>426198776 +>Even wiith me using like a million warding charms I'm still running into constant fights on this stratum +>At this point the game is now throwing like 5 of every enemy at me at once and they are really annoying +I was enjoying this stratum puzzle and exploration wise but the encounter rate here sucks. +--- 426205873 +>>426201813 +>>426202354 +Yeah, Necromancer is a jack of all trades. +Tanking and ailments tend to be more useful than other things - especially early on when they suck at just about everything else. + +When 2nd names unlock they steadily become more viable as damage dealers as Brokers. +If you break the game and cheat then they arre stronger than most other classes until post game, if you don't cheat then as a properly "average-to-good" in most things they can do. + +>>426204402 +It's fine using AOE attacks, running Highlander/Shogun, and/or using the Vampire Force boost help mitigate the weaknesses of it. +--- 426206506 +>>426204402 +Run Shogun/Imperial for big damage, just be careful not to kill yourself +--- 426206542 +>>426205306 +Necromancer is not primarily a tank class. If you're viewing it that way, then it means that you have to appreciate its entire kit. +--- 426206713 +>>426206542 +>you have yet to appreciate +Fixed +--- 426207517 +>>426206542 +It's a tank that can attack and debuff, in the same way a Dragoon can do more than just tank. Both can be specialized in ways that don't focus on tanking with Advance classes. +You're purposely just trying to look at things in a narrow way. +--- 426208891 +>>426205873 +>if you don't cheat then as a proper "jacks" they (necros) are "average-to-good" in most things they can do. + +>>426207517 +Hound Rover has a tanking skill too. What do you view them as? Just a healer? An Ailment class? +--- 426209934 +>>426208891 +>The only way you can do something is by cheating +notto-disu-shitto-agen.... +>Skill +>singular +At this point I just have to consider you a troll intentionally trying to lead new players astray, +--- 426210371 +>>426207517 +>Necromancer is a tank just like Dragoon +No, Necromancer is a jack of all trades that can do a variety of things by manipulating ghosts. Fierce Shield is a one and done utility option in its skillset and neither specialization focuses on tanking. +Dragoon on the other hand has most of its pre second name skillset focused primarily on tanking and even if you do opt for Cannon Dragoon, the game straight up rewards you for tanking because that activates Gun Revenge stacks that can then be used to make its damage skills better. + +You are confusing role with utility. +--- 426210546 +>>426205401 +I THINK I'm getting near the end of 29F? +>>426207517 +All I have to add to this is that "Necro is a tank" is fucking dumb, I haven't taken a single tanking skill for Necro and yet she's one of my strongest party members. +--- 426210681 +>>426205170 +The 100% LUC based ailments with built in wilting debuff are going to come out far far ahead of the original Nexus Harbinger's STR+LUC ailments. For the ailments it has anyways. +--- 426211234 +>>426210371 +You're confusing what a role even is, Necros have slightly higher variety of additional skills to differentiate them over Dragoons instead of just tank+damage, and just like dragoon they have an Advance class that lets them not focus on that. +A significant portion of their skills are about bulking up your wraiths and skills to keep as many of them up at a time. +Even if you can cheese the late main game with Zombie Powder nukes that's not as effective in the post game and you're better off using those 9,999 HP ghouls purely for tanking. +--- 426215748 +>>426211234 +Continuing this with you is a waste of time. You clearly have not been paying attention to anything that's been said and insist on thinking that singular skill (Fierce Shield) is what constitutes a tanking class. +--- 426217030 +>>426210681 +Let's do some napkin math for a second; +While its true that Harbinger has a higher luck based inflict score than strength in Nexus, you'd also have to account for the fact that Miasma Armor is necessary for the ailments to land. +This means that on Turn 1; the actual ailment infliction rate would be 0.67 x the inflict score because you'd have to account for Auto Miasma's success rate. Similarly, if Miasma Armor fails to auto proc on T1, then you're also fishing for a 67% proc rate on Endless Shround to get it up to try on T2. + +To make things simple; +Assuming vanilla inflict scores +436 Str and 498 Luc +So the true infliction rate in Overhaul on T1 (very important for randoms or fights where you'd want this to stick on Turn 1) is 0.67 * 498 = 333.66 on T1. +--- 426217791 +>>426215748 +You're purposefully acting ignorant as they're a damage redirection tank, they don't need multiple skills to do the same thing you tard, Beasts from EO2U also don't have any other skill besides Hit Taker. +And you can't try to pretend that Beasts aren't a tank as Ur-Devil has a mechanic that hits you with an unavoidable instakill if you bring more than one tank, which Beasts count for. +Or are you also going to try to pretend that Protector is a jack of all trades and not a tank since they have heals, binds, attacks and buffs in there kit? +--- 426219003 +>>426217030 +>436 Str and 498 Luc +Are those level 130r130 stats? +For 99% of the game you won't have those stats, but you will have the +12 LUC acc right after Primitive Jungle, and the +24 LUC acc far sooner than the +16 STR one too. LUC forges will also push it further ahead. +--- 426219897 +>>426200480 +There's nothing wrong with using both those classes together if that's what you want to do. You'll have to sacrifice bunkers but that's really not a massive issue because most of Dragoon's skill tree isn't built around them. It's just one facet of the class but not a mandatory part of it. +--- 426221697 +>>426190317 +--- 426221939 +>>426221697 +You could land an airplane there. +--- 426222110 +>>426221939 +I think someone already tried. +--- 426222573 +>>426210546 +Ok this one took me a few attempts, I didn't get good lockdown RNG the first few times and once the snakes came out it was basically over, the little bastards bind constantly and then she comes out with the aoes. +--- 426223196 +>>426219897 +This is been gone over to death already but the issue isn't that it's "impossible" to clear with a team with both, but rather they limit each other in what they can do and they don't benefit each other in any way whatsoever. +Just to some it up in brief points: +>You can't use Bunkers or Turrets with Dragoon, this has a bigger impact on Cannon Bearer +>Anons are trying to force the new anon to go Shield Bearer when he prefers tanking with Necro and he's having better success with it +>Anons are trying to force him to stop using Necro for tanking and go full offensive when again that's not what he wants to do. +This is becoming more a matter of them trying to justify their own original teams more than helping out the new player. +--- 426223419 +>>426215748 +If a class can do with a single skill what one takes 5 to do, this just mean that this single skill is better than a full class. Specially when later skills make this single skill even more potent. +This single skill can make a enemy focus on a wraith and have your team members do their own thing without issues. Later game, with the best wraiths (9999hp) your necro can trivialize some of the strongest encounters ALONE since the enemies will waste turns hitting your HP sponge. +If you're dumb enough to not understand how this is good tanking that's on you. +--- 426224219 +>>426223196 +Yeah you're definitely the same anon from last thread. I know the issue isn't that it's not "impossible" but they can still work fine together. Use dragon roar to draw aggro which will then let you use grave more reliably. If he likes using fierce shield then that's fine but he should really consider doing a little more than just using that every turn. Having two forms of protection simply bolster the party defensive capabilities even more. And again with this nonsense about them "not benefiting each other". What do you even mean by that? The Necromancer can do multiple things that can benefit any party and so can the Dragoon. +--- 426224410 +How's Strange Journey? The only SMT game I played was P3 for the PSP., 10+ years ago The ost is amazing, and it got a great aesthetic +--- 426225448 +>>426224219 +There in lies the issue, you're again trying to force him to go in a more offensive direction for Necromancer to justify the existence of the Dragoon. +And there's more than just using a Necromancer as a tank than just spamming fierce shield every turn, as the most basic knowledge is that enemies won't use an offensive attack every turn, so that's when you use the other part of their kit. +2 defensive options in a team is completely unnecessary for EO5 or any EO game in general is just terrible advise. +--- 426225592 +>>426224410 +Best SMT in terms of story and alignments, top 3 SMT in general. +--- 426226630 +>>426225448 +Well it's on him on how he wants to build them but all I'm saying is that it is completely possible to build them in a way that works well together. Dragoon can be built as a proper tank or an offensive damage dealer while Necromancer is a hybrid class that can focus on a variety of things. In my opinion you should just use the classes and party you want to use in EO and figure out how to make it work from there. For example, in my first Nexus play-through I wanted you use both Hero and Ninja simply because that's what portraits I liked and wanted to use. I built the Hero as an offensive tank and just didn't use the after images at all since that slot was reserved for the ninja clone. The party was strong and ended up working great despite not using one facet of the Hero class. +--- 426227402 +>>426226630 +>Dragoon can be built as a proper tank or an offensive damage dealer +Kind of repeating but Offensive damage option of a Dragoon is impacted negatively by the existence of the Necromancer, so that's where you get into options being limited. +If you're an experience playing you can do whatever kind of experimental or meme team you want, that's on you. +The issue is that this is person who's just starting EO with EO5, so insisting that he uses two classes that are constantly clashing with other over what they should do is a terrible recommendation when the first thing a new player should be learning after basic mechanics is team synergy. +--- 426228383 +I think there is a small misunderstanding. + +There was 2 people talking about dragoons. I was the one that preferred necro because of how the defense work and was asking about Dragoon. I was not thinking in running both at the same time and just asking about how they tank. It was this post >>426180063 + +There was another anon that was also starting and I just hijacked his posts >>426146313 +because people commented about the class and I was curious about it. + +Sorry about the misunderstanding. I was away from the thread. +--- 426228539 +>>426227402 +You can gain stacks of gun revenge with their shield skills too you know. He would miss out on the turret but that's really not crucial. They don't constantly clash with each other, just don't focus on bunkers. +--- 426229060 +>>426228383 +That's fine, Necromancer is a fun class that can be an amazing tank. If you want them to tank even better on top of other very strong skills then consider Spirit Broker for their Advance Class. +Dragoons use damage mitigation so they can be healed more easily by a healer, they have other tools like bunkers and turrets that can bait attacks as well. They can be built in a hyper offensive way as well. +They're both strong options for tanking but I don't recommend using them both at the same time, there are better teams you can do unless you really want to be cute about it. +--- 426229715 +>>426228539 +Kind of tired of having to repeat "limiting options when it's completely unnecessary" +--- 426230428 +>>426228803 +Um +--- 426230604 +>>426230428 +Ups... +--- 426233092 +Not using bunkers with the Dragoon is a complete non issue because they barely use it themselves in a party where they have sole access to the summon slot due them being way too slow. +Necromancer has more to its kit than just spamming Fierce Shield. It can heal, deal damage, set ailments, revive, whatever. Spamming FS is just being extremely one dimensional. + +The only duo that actively gets in each other's way is Necromancer and Rover. +--- 426233667 +>>426223419 +Holy shit, the other guy was right you are an idiot. He never once said that Fierce Shield was bad tanking, his entire point was that Necromancer's skillset is a well rounded skillset that can cover a wide variety of things like the Hero in Nexus where as Dragoon is clearly oriented towards tanking. +--- 426235170 +>>426222573 +Done for today but reached floor 30f, stopped to finish out my codex and also finish off a quest I missed, this is unironically one of my favourite dungeon crawlers ever now. +--- 426235494 +>>426233667 +NTA but take a look at the Beast, see how many attack skills it has versus literally just Hit Taker for tanking. +Now try to tell me the Beast isn't a tank when the game literally has it hard coded as one for Ur-Devil's taboo check. +--- 426235808 +>>426235494 +>literally just Hit Taker for tanking +--- 426236315 +>>426235808 +Don't even try to use the redundant Protect skill which you'll never use after upgrading to Hit Taker. +--- 426236569 +>>426236315 +Protection Vow + Defend can be a better Hit-Taker if you prepare for that beforehand +--- 426236709 +>>426235494 +>Beast only has Hit Taker +Lol +--- 426236938 +Speaking of Beasts, what's the best way to build an offensive Beast in 2U? +--- 426237225 +>>426236569 +Honestly forgot that Protection Vow exists but it's also just a worse option than Hit Taker as Protection Vow only works on low HP allies which: +1) they shouldn't be low HP to begin with +2) the main point of Beast is to use it to protect allies who can't take even one hit. +Removing redundant skills like Protect and Protection Vow is like how they stopped wasting two skills on Front Guard and Rear Guard and just made a single Line Guard. +--- 426237737 +>>426237225 +That's why before starting a boss fight you get all of your party members except for your Beast at >50%HP. +Protection Vow can give even more damage reduction to your Beast so there's really no need to worry about your other party members' HP except for when you're fighting Ur-Child and Ur-Devil since their moves can hit more times than Protection Vow or Hit-Taker can tank. +--- 426238670 +>>426236938 +Level 20 Claw Mastery, Level 20 Wolf Fang, Level 20 HP Up, Level 20 Phys ATK Up, Level 20 Bull Charge and give it as much HP Up equipment as possible. +--- 426238823 +>>426236938 +Wolf Fang it's their only attack skill that isn't complete garbagw +--- 426239195 +>>426233667 +>as Dragoon is clearly oriented towards tanking. +And will perform worse than a necro with this single skill. A necro with a proper minion will be able to tank 100% of the damage caused in a turn wasting only 8TP. The minion will still be there after the onslaught 9/10 times and he will be able to do it again, no issues next round. His team will also not waste resources healing because the tanking sucks like a dragoon. +Compare with a dragon, his best tanking skill only protects against 50% of the damage and has a cooldown. After use other team members will have to waste turns healing because the tank sucks. All that for 50TP. +Necros are better tanks, Just accept it. +--- 426240017 +>>426237737 +That just sounds tedious when a Beast shouldn't be struggling to survive with Hit Taker 99% of the time regardless. +Regardless you can still see the issue with that: You're either using Hit Taker for tanking and nothing else, or you're using Protection Vow for tanking and nothing else. +A Necromancer doesn't need two forms of the same damage redirection as it's not the one tanking, the Wraiths are. The Wraiths can't use the defend command so there's no point in a Protection Vow equivalent to exist and you don't need to care about the Wraith dying as they're expendable and can have up to 3 at a time. +--- 426240749 +>>426240017 +I thought we were talking about 2U +--- 426241381 +>>426240749 +It was me proving a point, Beasts are still a tank class when they only ever use a single skill for tanking, the same goes for Necromancer. +--- 426243314 +Gonna start a new EOV game with three frontline dragoons and two backline necros. +--- 426243495 +>>426243314 +Based. +--- 426243545 +>>426243314 +Have fun, multiple Necroes is actually a good setup for triple Wraith uptime. +--- 426243858 +Etrian but Monster Hunter +--- 426244003 +>>426243858 +--- 426244398 +>>426243858 +Both are in my favorite series of all time. +--- 426244401 +Etrian but Eroge +--- 426244506 +Etriam but Made in Abyss +--- 426244720 +Etriam butt +--- 426244754 +>>426244506 +Just finished watching all of the anime the other day. +Overall it was a 9/10 imo but I felt like despite how much they love to talk about ADVENTURE, there's very little adventuring or danger most of the time. +--- 426246063 +I don't much care about Beasts at the moment since I've yet to play any version of EO2, but I know that portrait slot logic suggests that the bears are female, and I like the implications of that. +--- 426246414 +>>426244754 +>watching +You're supposed to read +--- 426246714 +>>426246414 +Not when the anime was as gorgeous as it was. +--- 426247103 +>>426246414 +MiA is one of the few anime were watching it is better than reading it. +The direction, the animation and the soundtrack elevate what's already a great story to the next level. +t. Read the manga +--- 426247364 +>>426243858 +fund it +--- 426249069 +>>426243314 +Probably the tankiest party ever created. +--- 426250447 +>>426219003 +The basic idea still exists though, you're only operating at 67% efficacy compared to 100% with the strength based one for T1 and other short fights due to auto miasma rng. +--- 426252521 +>>426239195 +You are arguing against a point that you made up in your head. +--- 426252791 +>>426235170 +Star Devourer is kicking my ass... +--- 426253049 +Does it matter what weapon type I equip my Botanist with, or should I just go with whatever gives the highest MAT? +--- 426253375 +>>426241381 +Beast is a tank class because it devotes a significant portion of its kit towards tanking. +Necromancer is not a tank class because while you can use Fierce Shield for tanking, its not a significant portion of its kit. + +What you are doing is the equivalent of arguing that Hero is a healer class because you can use it to passively heal the party with Allied Bonds or whatever its called. +--- 426254586 +>>426246063 +If anyone talks about using a Beast then they're talking about Untold. +--- 426255414 +>>426252791 +I don't want to grind to 99 but I'm also just out of reach of a kill and it feels bad. +--- 426257504 +I'm thinking about playing one of the following +EO4, EO5, EOU or EO2U to get my senses back after being rusty. +Which one should I play and why? +--- 426258398 +>>426257504 +play EMD +--- 426258514 +>>426243858 +I would love this, though the party making certainly would have to be modified, maybe just AI members and you can swap between them? Maybe just make it online? also the bind system would be really nice to see in that style, same goes for the classes themselves and their skills, the thought of seeing something like an Yggdroid using HP cannon and charging up like the Jehuty's cannon is just beautiful +--- 426260873 +>>426255414 +Well I did it and the extra levels were just what I needed, I love Buster Cannon. +Honestly this was a very fun fight all things considered, you had to manage the individual arms and try and keep everything locked down appropriately or you'd get demolished by full burst, most of his other attacks were fine but the arms needed to always be at LEAST binded, the parry was very annoying otherwise. +--- 426261529 +>>426260873 +Final thoughts on EO5: Honestly one of the best Dungeon Crawlers i've played in years despite small issues with it, this game is great and I see why EO fans are so passionate about this series, I am interested in playing more of them but I think i'll wait for the HD collection for now. +--- 426261948 +>>426260873 +What was your team? I used Fencer/Harbinger//Rover/Warlock/Herbalist my first playthrough and loved it, but I've been thinking about a second with Pugilist/Dragoon/Masurao//Necromancer/Shaman +--- 426262000 +>>426257504 +5 because the classes are fairly unique and tend to have an interesting gimmick or two if you're not strictly powergaming, u2 if you prefer the more boring old skill trees in exchange for greater customization with grims (no skill gating for half the game but enjoy pumping those passives!). +--- 426262657 +>>426261948 +>>426261529 +True credits unlocked, it's cute that you get this for getting everything but like I literally just finished the last credits... +Anyway I went Dragoon/Harbinger/Pugilist/Shaman/Necromancer for my first time here, was HEAVY focused on the debuffs and ailments, I didn't play with any of the Therian classes, might do that on replay. +--- 426263046 +>>426227402 +For new players reading this - bunkers are good early, but are completely skippable. +All a dragoon needs is line guard/mana guard and gun mount - everything else is just "icing on the cake". +After the early game(when you beat the second major boss) bunkers are trash and turrets are worse. +You will literally be wasting turns and skill points if you use bunkers/turrets after that point if you care about being optimal. + +If you just want a "fun build" I'm pretty sure turret cannon dragoon is a functional way to play and will not put an undue burden on your party. +But again, if you are actually being serious and care about spending your turns and skill points wisely - ignore bunkers/turrets. + +This guy has some decent points on how good necros can be at tanking (even without cheating) but he's probably trolling/being argumentative to bump the thread with most of the other crap he's spewing. +--- 426265901 +https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/107257835 +--- 426266454 +>>426260873 +>>426261529 +>>426262657 +Post your guild card! +--- 426267004 +>>426265901 +damn that's really well done, i love it when people draw the less popular girls +--- 426267267 +>>426262000 +I'll give 5 a run then. I usually end up losing interest around Fetid Necropolis for whatever reason. +--- 426267596 +Dragoon, Fencer, Warlock, Rover and Shaman +Or +Masurao, Pugilist, Harbinger, Necromancer and Botanist +--- 426270290 +>>426253375 +>>>>>Significant portion of its kit towards tanking +Why are you lying like people don't know or can't look up a Beast's skill tree? +Literally the only skills for tanking you're upgrading are Loyalty and either Hit Taker or Protection vow, whichever you prefer. +Outside of that it's literally just basic ass HP up and Def up skills. +Necromancers have Summon Wraith, Fierce Shield, and Zombie Powder which are all skills related to tanking and improving the bulk of your Wraiths and all of your skills that help generate extra Wraiths like Auto Wraith are so you always have them available to keep using your Wraith skills such as Fierce Shield. +Stop talking out your ass. +--- 426270383 +>>426267596 +Fencer, Pug, Masu, Rover, and Shaman +--- 426270864 +>>426270290 +>fortress confirmed not a tank +What does beasts force do again? +--- 426271009 +>>426260873 +Start devourer is a fun fite, it doesnt require extensive note taking or looking up its moveset to defeat. As long as you have a potato, any team should be able to manage it, as opposed to other etrian supperbosses which basically require the use of a protector. Some people don't like that because they think it makes it too easy, but I think its for the best. + +>>426261529 +EO5 is the best in my opinion, however that's obviously debatable. Unless you want a break from etrian, you should replay 5 with some of the classes you didn't use while you wait for HD collection to come out (or just play a different etriam). If you keep all your maps with NG+ the game will go a lot faster, should be able to clear it again before June no problem. Fencer/Masurao Rover/warlock/herbalist isnt the most optimal team but it still works. + +>>426261948 +Oh shit that was my first team too. (actually I did that team plus the other team your are considering simultaneously but whatever). Theyre both good teams you should replay with that team, you gotta try out each class at least once. And then you play it again all with the different alt names, specifically dodge fencer +--- 426271159 +>>426267596 +>Dragoon, Fencer, Warlock, Rover and Shaman +I would just use a botanist instead of shaman.Your life will be hell in the first stratum with this comp(you will need to rely on potions) without reliable healing. In the second stratum the shaman will be good to go, but it will take a while. +--- 426271293 +>>426270864 +>>>>>Trying to include Force Skills +Come the fuck on anon, if I was as desperate as you I'd be including every single defensive Union skill in the game but i don't because that's fucking stupid. +Hell Union skills even require at least a skill point to use, you don't invest shit in Force skills. +--- 426271485 +>>426270290 +>The entire loyalty mastery tree +>It's force boost and break +>Not a significant part of the Beast's kit +Shut the fuck up +--- 426271565 +>>426271293 +>union skills are class specific +Which one of us is supposed to be desparate? +--- 426271598 +>>426271159 +But Rover is right there? +--- 426271815 +Hawk Arrow or Wing Thrash first? Or should I just keep leveling them equally? If I change my mind you can reset skill investment with "rest", right? +--- 426271826 +>>426271565 +They're race specific and you can make any race any class, don't talk if you haven't played the game. +>>426271485 +>Entire loyalty +You're not upgrading the entire tree because you're only using one of Hit Taker or Protection Vow, max upgrading anything else is completely redundant. +You really don't have any argument at all. +--- 426271907 +>>426271598 +What kinda loser will use the dog when the hawk is 100 times better? +--- 426272052 +>>426271907 +Me because I like dogs +--- 426272137 +>>426271159 +Shaman and Rover are working together to handle healing before Shaman transitions into the solo healer. Botanist will get in the way in the long run due to not playing well with Fencer which is obviously going Chain. + +He'll just end up delaying investing too much into Ruinous/Aegis until the back half of the game because Gospel will have to take priority and Dance Oracle is a must for that team. Rover's job is pretty straightforward and anything extra is covered with items. +--- 426272216 +>>426271826 +So what you're saying is unions are completely unrelatex to classes, unlike force skills which ars specific to the xlass using them? +Why the fuck did you even bring up unions then? And can you please tell me what the force boost and break specific to the beast class do? +--- 426272316 +>>426271815 +I like Wing Thrash more, better consistency +--- 426272551 +>>426272216 +Your bitch ass was trying to use investment as a point but instantly ran to Force Skills which require zero investment and is a mechanic that doesn't exist in EO5. +Because you tried to bring up something as retarded as a game exclusive mechanic is why I mentioned it's stupid and brought up the best comparison EO5 has. +--- 426272574 +>>426271907 +Hawk Rover can still heal just fine during the early game because Brushing's entire purpose is to top off the team while the Shaman is constantly healing due to buff shuffling. +Although, if you're an absolute meme, then you can consider running both and treat Rover as a weird binding class due to having access to all three binds at once. +--- 426272716 +>>426271826 +>It doesn't count because I say so +Stop being stupid. +--- 426272892 +>>426272716 +>>I can throw my skill points into the trash so it still counts!!!! +--- 426272985 +>>426271293 +Force Skills in 2U are an integral part of class design and identity. Trying to compare them to Union skills is asinine. +--- 426272995 +>>426272551 +I did no such thing faggot, my first post here was asking what the beasts force does. Can you tell me what the beasts force does already? While you're at it what is this "auto-lick" skill? Or "deadly resolve"? +--- 426273020 +>>426272574 +>Brushing +animal therapy. +>>426271815 +Wing thrash is a well hidden stupidly strong early game move +--- 426273320 +>>426272995 +auto lick is a fucking heal and an endure skill isn't a tank skill either, by that metric a Sovereign is a tank too. +God you're fucking retarded. +--- 426273434 +>>426272892 +It doesn't matter if the player picks Hit Taker or Vow because you're still fucking tanking at the end of the day and they're both parts of the same damn skill tree. +--- 426273510 +>>426273320 +But exactly what is auto-lick healing? Can my beast use deadly resolve on my alchemist? +What the fuck does the beast do with its force? +--- 426273628 +>>426273320 +Auto Lick is a self heal that only triggers when the Beast gets hit. It's entire function is to keep the Beast alive so it can keep tanking hits. +--- 426273690 +>>426273020 +>>426271815 +Y'know one thing bothers me about Hawk arrow, does the Hawk only hit the targets that took splash damage or does the Hawk follow up by hitting the main target too? + +Because on paper Hawk Arrow looks to be way better for Boss Slaying if the Hawk is also hitting the Main Target because it costs less TP for more 200% more damage. +--- 426273818 +>>426273434 +There's no point in max upgrading both when you're only going to use one or the other, if you're going to be using Hit Taker you don't even need to put a single point in P. Vow at all. +>>426273510 +By that metric any class with an endure is a tank, a god damn Blade Dancer Masurao is a tank too I guess. +And you're still desperately clinging to a mechanic that doesn't exist in EO5 while saying EO5 exclusive mechanics don't count. +--- 426273857 +Shitposting hour, sick. I don't have to worry about the thread dying so I'll be back in a few hours. +--- 426274087 +>>426273857 +It's kind of uncanny the level of mental illness to do the same thing every day for days. +I mean, shitposting must be exhausting at some point, right? +--- 426274154 +>>426273690 +Only the side enemies +--- 426274490 +>>426273818 +Can blade dancer redirect hits to itself? +What the FUCK does the beasts force do? Stop running and answer the question. +--- 426274819 +Etrian but Dungeon Master +--- 426274841 +>>426274490 +>STILL desperately clinging to a mechanic that doesn't exist in EO5 while saying EO5 exclusive mechanics don't count. +What do Determination and Aegis Shield do? Oh wait doesn't count because it doesn't fit your narrative right? +--- 426274951 +>>426273690 +Hawk Arrow only hits enemies on the side. + +>>426273818 +You're focusing on whether or not its worth investing into both at the same time while the other guy is saying that both tanking skills derived the loyalty mastery tree, so at the end of the day you're still focusing on the tanking specialization. +--- 426275023 +>>426274841 +>determination and aegis shield are class specific +I said answer the fucking question. WHAT DOES THE BEAST DO WITH ITS FORCE? +--- 426275054 +>>426275023 +What do Determination and Aegis Shield do? +--- 426275126 +>>426274841 +>Aegis Shield +>A skill that any Brouni can have +>Painless or whatever its called +>A skill that's intrinsic to Protector and cannot be used by anyone else +Please tell me that you can tell the difference between the two scenarios. +--- 426275247 +>>426275126 +You're desperate in using a mechanic that doesn't exist in EO5 while refusing to acknowledge any EO5 equivalent mechanic. +--- 426275449 +>>426275054 +What class uses them? +What does the beast do with its force? +When you fight Ur-Devil you can't use multiple protectors, but what other class can you not double up on? +--- 426275532 +>autism autism autism +shut the FUCK UP +--- 426275559 +>>426275449 +>>>class +Play the game you sperg. +>still clinging to mechanics that don't exist in other games as comparison. +--- 426275710 +>>426275559 +>still not answering the simplest of questions +WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF THE BEASTS FORCE???? +--- 426275748 +>>426275710 +What do Determination and Aegis Shield do? +--- 426275759 +The dilf gunner in eo2 is hot. +--- 426276149 +>>426267596 +Do both, simultaneously. I'm being serious here. +Running two parties at once is pretty fun, I feel like I'm the only person who does it, so I want to take this opportunity to advocate for a bit here. If its your first time playing V then I recommend doing it so that you can try out all the classes, although if you're doing a second playthrough and you just want to do a quick run through the game then I wouldn't recommend it. + +In V its especially easy thanks to the memory conch, you'll miss out on basically no exp. Your two teams will only be like 1 or 2 levels behind what a single party would be at. + +Anyway here are the advantages of having two teams at once: +-You get to try out all the classes on your first playthrough. +-Variety from alternating between teams with vastly different playstyles keeps things from getting stale. +-If a particular boss is giving you trouble, you can combine the two teams to make a custom party comp just for that fight. +-No disappointment from getting boss drops that only unlock armor/weapons for classes you don't have. Every drop is useful. +-For those that enjoy the imagination aspect of Etrian, it works quite well. Instead of forcing your guild members to work excruciating hours with only 1-3 hours of sleep per day and absolutely no leisure time, you can give them days off to rest. Personally I like to imagine that all the town NPC interaction happens while one of the other teams is away. +--- 426276552 +>>426275748 +Not an answer, I asked first. What is the unique force ability of the beast which can only be used by the beast and no other classes? +--- 426276690 +I'd rather we were >ded than this +--- 426276894 +>>426276690 +Learn the times, 11PM EST is when one of the turbo spergs arrive and the other arrives at around 2AM EST. +--- 426276968 +>>426276149 +cont. + +The only real disadvantage of doing two parties is that you might be a bit underleveld, but its not as bad as you might think. You might think that having the time each team spends in the dungeon = halving their level, but that's not the case. ATLUS knows how to do EXP growth formulas, your level might not be lowered as much as you expect. As long as you fight each FOE once with each team you should be fine. The first time I tried only running a single team was U1 story mode, and honestly I felt overleveld as fuck doing that. +The exp loss really isnt an issue. As I mentioned earlier, this is basically negated in V and Nexus thanks to the memory conch. For IV its made up for by the natural lower difficulty and the special items that allow you to recruit a new char at level (4 is a bit awkward until you unlock imperial, since you have to start off with 7 guys, rotating out the highest exp members until then). For the untolds some of the bosses can be a bit however this will be made up for by the fact that you will have easy access to the other teams grimoires (this is HUGE in Untold 1). + +The other disadvantage is the money aspect, this will be a bit of trouble early game as it will take you a floor or two before you get everyone fully equipped. You'll have to share accessories between the two parties, but by strat 3 you should be able to afford equipment for each guild member, with only the memory conch being shared. Just be smart with your money and do your gather runs. Don't buy EVERY new armor and weapon when they come out, just the good ones (mainly the ones that come with stat bonuses) when new armor comes out for your front line guys, give their old armor to the backline guys. Since in most games Vit>>>>>Def, most armor is trash anyway. + +Admittedly this isnt for everyone, but I think a lot of the disadvantages of two parties is made up for by the advantages. +--- 426277178 +>>426276690 +AIEEEEEE, stop poking the sleeping lion. +--- 426277183 +>>426276968 +I think the two team strat is really only good for new game+, you can carry over either money, mats or gear from you past playthrough and use that to suit up your second team so you don't have to worry as much for being under leveled. +--- 426277567 +What causes you to argue about the most inane shit everyday? You're actually pathetic. +--- 426277598 +>>426276968 +continued.... again. + +Fuck this is getting long. Thank you to anyone who bothered to read all this and hear me out. + +Just wanted to add that, no, I haven't played the DS games yet, shut up. HD release coming soon. I plan to try this for 1 and 2, we'll see how that goes. IDK what I'll do for EO3 since I hear the 2 unlockable classes are locked behind different endings. But since there ARE alternate endings that will require me to do multiple playthroughts anyway, I don't think I'll bother. +--- 426277706 +Why are you guys same fagging? +--- 426277740 +>>426277598 +you don't understand + +eo3 has 3 routes (one is true route) and you will unlock one class naturally regardless of which route you pick, and you will miss out on two bosses as a result of picking one, so just do one route, ng+ to do the other and get the other class, and then ng+ to do true route + +this sounds like a lot but you can go through the entire game in like under 5 hours with ng+ +--- 426278004 +>tfw I BTFO'd anon so bad the other day that it mind broke them into an endless spiral of mental illness +I'm enjoying my popcorn, frankly +--- 426278120 +>>426278004 +Says the one spamming the thread, don't try to excuse yourself of mental illness. +Do you get off to ruining this thread every single day? +--- 426278173 +>>426278120 +? +I'm not either of the two spamming +--- 426278264 +Sure you aren't +--- 426278473 +>>426278264 +How would you suggest I prove it, sir? Or are you just gonna shit up the thread with baseless accusations? +If you're one of the mentally ill shitposters then don't bother replying. +--- 426278707 +>>426278473 +Not going to reply to you again but don't ask a question and then proceed to say don't reply, you're just embarrassing yourself. +--- 426278987 +>>426278707 +Thanks for confirming. +--- 426280421 +>>426277740 +Yeah but then wont I be overleveled for the rout exclusive bosses? + +More importantly, I can't unlock both Yggdroid and Shogun on the same playthrough so that will really get in the way of my double party plan. I don't want to miss out on experiencing either of those classes. I don't consider a NG+ run where everyone is overleveled except the one new guy to be getting to experience the other class. + +Nah, I'll just do 3 normally with one 5 party main team (plus the standard 5 farmer gather team), subbing one member out for the new class at the appropriate time. Second run will technically be NG+ but I wont carry over any items or money, just guild members (who will stay benched for the whole run). For the true end I will do the quick 5 hour NG+ run though. + +>>426277183 +I assume you posted this before you saw my second post when I explained how you can deal with the level problem. + +I will admit running two teams isn't for everyone, but I was able to do it for my first playthrough just fine in all the 3DS games. + +Ive never done it for NG+. For NG+ I just want to do a quick run with my old maps and a new specific party comp. +--- 426280580 +Would it be weird for me to move my Rover to the Frontline in place of my Dragoon so that he can also get the benefit from my Masuoro's High Ground? +--- 426281353 +Hopefully with this we'll see less of the 11pm sperg but I kind of doubt it... +>>426280421 +Most of my experience was doing double teams for Classic mode playthroughs of the Untold games, that way I can check out all the changes to the older classes that weren't part of the story team. +>>426280580 +So moving your Dragoon to the backline? Seems like something better suited for a Necromancer with its damage redirection but you can do that, you'll put your Rover at greater risk though. +May be better just to move them temporarily and then move back after getting buffed, similar to the Gunner playstyle in EO2U. +--- 426282393 +>>426281353 +I forgot that you could shift your ranks. I guess I could always do that, yeah. +--- 426284861 +>>426280580 +A rover should be able to survive on the front line, assuming its a human or bunny. Race and armor class is all that really matters for that in EOV, not the actual class itself. But if you have a choice, you should put the dragoon there instead since it has more survivability. + +Just swap them on the turn you cast high ground. Although if you go cannon dragoon then you might want that high ground buff on him more than you want it on the rover. +--- 426285861 +>>426280580 +Free row switching has been in the series since 4, learn to make use of it. There's no real reason to put rover in front when they're a purely ranged class. Just adjust formation for the turn you use high ground then switch back next turn. +--- 426289856 +Zodiac trailer, also gonna post the Monk one as no one posted it last time. +https://youtu.be/gGBvkfie-s8 [Embed] +https://youtu.be/6Q8APAMXdi4 [Embed] +Both new portraits are pretty nice, the loli zodiacs are great but having a big titty nerd adds some nice balance. +Is it just me or do the animations for the spells look different? +--- 426290034 +>>426289856 +Binary Ice and Meteor look the same to me, just obviously less pixelated. +--- 426292345 +le +--- 426292940 +>>426289856 +2nd variant Zodiac is my girl. But I can't deny that the new one could easily win me over. +--- 426295616 +I like defensive hero bros. +>guard rush afterimage stays for 5 turns +--- 426296514 +tiddy zodiac is a fujoshi +--- 426298454 +There's plenty of skills that are under 50% chance of happening in EOV like binds, wraiths respawn and so on. +Is there a way to improve those chances? +--- 426299040 +>>426289856 +Big titty nerd is my new waifu. +--- 426299413 +>>426289856 +atlus marketing is so embarrassing +--- 426299920 +>>426298454 +*loads savestate* +--- 426301530 +>>426299920 +Sigh. +Thanks. +--- 426301894 +>>426298454 +>>426301530 +>Ailments and Binds +More str, int and/or luck. +Wilting Miasma +Black Mist +Everything else? Lol +--- 426305030 +>>426298454 +chain blast always bind all 3 body parts for me. it's basically like 2u's hexo. +--- 426305117 +>>426266454 +Sure thing, sorry I took so long I went to sleep immediately after posting the credits scene there. +--- 426305263 +>>426271009 +There are some other games I'm interested in right now (like that fanmade Darkest Dungeon 1.5) so I think i'll take a bit of a break from Etrian Odyssey until the HD collections release. +The one I'm interested in most after this funny enough isn't in said collection it's EO4 due to how different that game looks but I want to try and go in order. +--- 426305753 +>>426277740 +Not that anon but when EO3 HD gets here I think I'll just do NG whatever had the yggdroids cus they're cute and then NG+ for the true route+superboss. +More seems like i'd get burnt out. +--- 426309230 +>MHFU2 kirin or diabolos +>equip lbg with rapid fire +>get on ledge +>shoot without being interrupted +? +--- 426309382 +>>426309230 +Sorry wrong thread. Not sure why its not letting me delete the post +--- 426309520 +>>426305030 +Yeah, but I was asking about how to improve base skills. Like the pugilist. +If you're unable to use a bind or revive reliably enough (more than a flip of a coin) it is not a reliable tactic in my opinion. +>>426301894 +Thanks, increasing hit hate (shaman) increases all things attached to attacks? +--- 426309903 +>>426309520 +It kind of surprised me how useful my landsketch was compared to imperial once I switched it. At glance I simply thought I was trading link elemental damage for one shot elemental damage but then I realized I was also trading improved accuracy once I started seeing some of my hits miss. Snare circle suddenly became far more important +--- 426310754 +Is there some kind of gallery of custom modded portraits for literally any of the games out there? +--- 426310837 +What game has the best lolis? +--- 426311854 +>>426310837 +2 +--- 426312404 +>>426311854 +thanks. +I will start with it. +--- 426314191 +>>426305263 +You can try Potato Flowers in Full Bloom. +--- 426314323 +>>426298454 +That's just a 50% BASE chance, not the actual chance the skill will have of inflicting the ailment in actual combat. It will be boosted by the casters's stats and lowered by the enemy's resistances to that ailment. Obviously the status attack up passive also improves this. + +Admittedly I'm gonna pull this percentage out of my ass, but in actual combat, any class that specializes in binds or ailments like harb or pug, will have at least an 80% or higher chance of landing an ailment with a 50% base chance skill on an enemy with no resistance to that ailment. This is all thanks to their ailment focused stats and that status up passive. + +You can increase these chances even more by casting wilting miasma or using the black mist force skill. + +As skill activation chances like the wraith summoning skills or one-two punch follow up rates, those can only be increased by leveling the skill itself. +You can increase the chance of getting more free wraiths via skills like reincarnation by running more necros with that skill in your party though. +--- 426315710 +>>426314323 +Of course skills like pug's arm crusher that also do damage will never land an ailment if the attack itself misses and fails to do damage. The skill only rolls for bind infliction if the attack actually hits the target. Skill that don't do damage like herbalists smoke skills, arent effected by accuracy. + +So, to answer your question in, +>>426309520 +>increasing hit hate (shaman) increases all things attached to attacks? +TECHNICALLY yes, accuracy buffs will increase the chance of the attack actually landing but once it does it will NOT increase the chance of inflicting the ailment itself. + +Also, +>If you're unable to use a bind or revive reliably enough (more than a flip of a coin) it is not a reliable tactic in my opinion. +Don't ever use dice roll revive skills like necro's soul trade. None of them have ever been good. Revives need to be guaranteed to be good. +--- 426317163 +>>426309520 +>If you're unable to use a bind or revive reliably enough (more than a flip of a coin) it is not a reliable tactic in my opinion +with chain blast you can 100% fully bind any enemy that doesn't have naturally high resistance or is outright immune to binds, and sometimes you only need to disable a boss once to defeat it. also this anon >>426301894 is correct. wilting miasma + black mist will usually allow you to land any ailment to an enemy, as long as that enemy isn't outright immune to the ailment. +--- 426318443 +>>426317163 +>>426315710 +>>426314323 +Thanks. I was thinking about improving the base skill itself without outside aid. +But this is enough for some brainstorming. +--- 426319227 +>>426315710 +>Dice roll revives have never been good +Says you, no greater feeling than having your Necro reviving the entire team on a bad run. +Alternatively see Occultist from Darkest Dungeon +--- 426320564 +>>426280580 +Rover's damage mostly comes from the Hawk, doesn't it? Pets don't benefit from that buff, so I don't think it'd be worth it. +--- 426321982 +are imperials a meme +--- 426321991 +>>426320564 +Hawk Rover specifically wants a Therian because the Rover's stats matter.