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+Growing up in the seedier parts New York the closest I got to playing in the woods was playing in the park rather than a seemingly fathomless heavily wooded area, and now that I've grown up I don't have any desire to do so.
+
+So to anyone who enjoyed exploring the woods as a kid, why? And also what was the best thing or THINGS you did there?
+--- 2520228
+>>2520224 (OP)
+>seedier parts OF New York, my bad XP
+--- 2520231
+Blueberry, raspberry, and blackberry picking; fishing; the variety of birds; usually only whites IF any other people.
+--- 2520232
+>>2520231
+There were berry patches in your area that weren't connected to like a farm or something? Hopefully nothing POISONOUS, I assume...
+--- 2520244
+>>2520232
+Do you think berries didn't exist until farmers magically shat seeds out their assholes? I hope you die in New York, you stupid faggot holy shit cityniggers shouldn't be allowed to post here.
+--- 2520250
+>bump
+--- 2520332
+>bumpx2
+--- 2520359
+>>2520224 (OP)
+at what age would it be safe to turn your kid loose to go play in the woods?
+
+>western OR
+>own 8 acres of woods
+>adjacent to several hundred more acres of BLM forest
+>frequent bear sightings and the occasional sign of cougar near by
+
+8 year old and I do a lot of hiking/exploring together, but as far as turning him loose to go solo, i just don't know. we have walkies so if he got into trouble he'd let us know, but things can happen pretty fast out there.
+--- 2520361
+>>2520359
+Well if you were a kid, let's be frank, exploring the woods would involve being in the general vicinity of an adult or in a forest behind your home, realistically.
+
+>BLM forest
+
+What's that?
+--- 2520369
+>>2520361
+public land -- open forest.
+well, what i'm saying is he could go from our backdoor and hike in several directions for an hour and still be in the forest. definitely out of earshot and possibly too far away if anything went wrong (injury, animal for example)
+--- 2520370
+>>2520224 (OP)
+Mostly harassing the local wildlife. I would bike to the woods and either go fishing, catch frogs and turtles or chase turkeys
+--- 2520380
+>>2520224 (OP)
+I grew up in a village in germany. Germany is a pretty urban country, and as a result most forests are pretty "tamed". But it was plenty in the eyes of us kids. 
+Our main motivations were that it was essentially a big playground without supervision. No parents, no strangers, just us. It was possible to play in many ways (play with softair rifles, or dig trenches, or build treehouses, or shelters) that you simply didn't have the space for at home. The biggest draw was the feeling of adventure. We'd climb under the electric fence where sheep were held and pet them (sometimes they'd let us sometimes they'd attack us), then again under it back into the forest, we'd sometimes "steal" honey from some beeskeeper (he knew, but he also knew we wouldn't take much, so he let it happen), we'd search for treasure, go in places that were forbidden (a old mine and a forest bunker were favorites) and sometimes we'd go looking for animals. Always hoping to see deer or a hog, but usually having to settle for some frogs or squirrels instead.
+>And also what was the best thing or THINGS you did there?
+I have the fondest memories of building shelters. We had "bases" in the forest and inside those we stashed our treasure - stuff we had found. The coolest among those were WW2 leftovers, we had found a ammo box, something that may have been artillery or a mortar round, thankfully not live, and a lot of animal bones. Other than that, fighting with sticks, exploring the mine and the occasional hog encounter.
+>>2520359
+>at what age would it be safe to turn your kid loose to go play in the woods?
+Once they can be trusted to know their boundaries and the risk of the forest around them. It really depends on the forest though. I'd say we were "fake alone" by something like 6 (as in thinking we were alone when parents actually watched/were nearby in emergencies) and really alone around 8.
+--- 2520392
+>>2520370
+>>2520380
+This is all very interesting. Thanks anons.
+--- 2520410
+>>2520380
+Yeah, I can see what you mean. if it weren't for bear or cougar i'd be fine with him alone right now at age 8. (some risk of mechanical injury from slipping/falling, but having a walkie would minimize the risk of serious harm).
+Cougars out here will almost always leave a full grown man alone, but a kid is another story. Bear are less of a risk, but still something to worry about (particularly in spring or summer)
+
+As a kid we had no yard or privacy at all (though i could hop the fence and explore the muni golf course -- which is better than nothing i guess). Growing up with books like Hatchet or Where the Red Fern Grows -- the idea of being a kid and getting to explore and play outside appealed to me. When we bought the land and built the house i looked forward to turning him loose to explore the forest with the dogs (something every boy should get to do imo), but man i'm getting over protective and risk averse as i get older.
+--- 2520428
+>>2520224 (OP)
+you felt like adults couldn't find you out there. especially if you lived somewhere with really dense vegetation. you could clear out a spot in the woods and build a fort. you could find a tree that was really good for climbing. the goal was always to eventually build a badass treehouse, but you never really did because you didn't have the tools or materials. the cleared out hole in the thick woods behind the neighborhood was the "secret spot" where you could smoke cigarette butts you found, shoot the bb gun you have stashed out there, or run to whenever the police were after you for throwing acorns at passing dump trucks.
+--- 2520432
+>>2520428
+Cool :)
+--- 2520439
+>>2520224 (OP)
+I used to watch this show as a kid and wish I lived in the lush east instead of the desert. 
+Now I've been there. And I prefer the desert
+--- 2520441
+>>2520439
+This show was great, wasn't it?
+What about the country do you not like?
+--- 2520442
+>>2520441
+Nothing wrong with it. I've just been there and I liked it. But as I've matured I've come to appreciate the desert. 
+That show is also why I think I have long conversations with animals that lead people to think I'm touched in the head.
+--- 2520443
+>>2520442
+Ah, I see.
+Well, what about the country originally made you want to live there, even if reality didn't meet expectations?
+--- 2520462
+>>2520410
+>Cougars out here will almost always leave a full grown man alone, but a kid is another story. Bear are less of a risk, but still something to worry about (particularly in spring or summer)
+Honestly, either of those are valid reasons not to let them go into the woods unsupervised. We were encouraged not to go too deep into the forest if the hogs had kids, because the mothers could get much more agressive. No cougars or bears where I lived, so worst case would be a fox with rabies or something. 
+And don't feel too ashamed of being scared for your kids, it's natural. You seem to do your best to strike a balance by giving them freedom while also offering security with the walkie talkie and stuff. They already have it better than 95% of kids. That fake freedom where you can explore boundaries but know if you fuck up mom and dad can fix it is one of the most magical aspects of childhood.
+And in retrospect, us going into the mine and some of the shit we did like playing with the rusted WW2 artillery shell was really unneccesarily risky, wouldn't want my kids to do the same, even if I have fond memories from it kek.
+--- 2520477
+>>2520462
+that's the thing though, those close calls we have as kids are actually extremely formative; the tendency towards safety mommyism might actually do more harm than good. i guess it's finding the right balance and praying nothing too catastrophic happens.
+
+where i grew up, we'd often play in the river (hunting snakes/crawdads in the summer). There was a bridge just outside of town with a small dam and sluice box; if the water was high enough we'd jump into the river from the bridge (maybe a 30' fall). Well one summer some kids were jumping off it, but the sluice box was left open. Two kids got sucked in, one drowned and the other became a vegetable for the rest of his life (wound up drowning on his own saliva at the hospital a few years later ironically enough). I think back on how lucky I was to not have that happen. As a parent I wouldn't let my kid jump off that bridge, all the while knowing that my childhood summers would have been worse for such concerns =/
+--- 2520485
+>>2520477
+>the tendency towards safety mommyism might actually do more harm than good
+I 100% agree with you. Some freedom, and that includes the freedom to fuck up, is needed for kids to become adults. But some risk is also unneeded. Getting hurt playing in the woods and either fixing it with friends together or going back home injured is formative, hitting the rusted WW2 artillery shell with a stone to see what's inside may have ended badly.
+I still remember the very first time I went somewhere alone:
+I was very young and my parents allowed me to get bread from the bakery alone on a sunday. It involved walking down 3 streets, crossing a small intersection, going into the store, ordering, paying and going back. I couldn't do math yet, so I had no idea how much I had paid or gotten back, but I remember how proud I was when I got back home. Years later I found out I never was alone - my father had followed me with a camera to see if I would cross the intersection carefully, avoid any traffic and be alright on my own. Once he knew I was fine, he knew I could be trusted to leave the house alone from there on. 
+I think the way they did it was best: First a pilot run, where they kept me safe but I could feel like I was alone. Then once that went well, they let me do my thing. That way they could trust I was fine on my own and I could be free of parental control.
+Your main goal is avoiding the shit that can result in death or severe injury, for the rest, it's better if they find out themselves. 
+We had plenty a injury from homemade fireworks, fighting with sticks, etc. Kids learn surprisingly quickly to take care of each other. 
+Either way, don't stress about it too much anon, you sound like a great parent. Listen to your inner fears, then rationalize how probable they are. If they are unlikely, allow your kids freedom. If it's reasonable, air on the side of caution. You got this.
+--- 2520492
+>>2520477
+>>2520485
+I forgot to mention that the disposition/nature of the child matters too. I was always a very cautious kid. I'd do everything with the others, often taking a leading role, but I'd always try to mitigate risk, take care of everyone and worry about injuries/dangers. That part of my nature as a kid probably helped them to allow me my freedom. 
+Every kid is different after all.
+--- 2520523
+>>2520224 (OP)
+I need to be more thankful I got to grow up in a small town. Riding bikes and running around the woods with neighbor kids. Absolutely Norman Rockwell compared to the abuse your rearing was. Maybe you can find some spark of wonder as an adult. At least know better if you have kids of your own
+--- 2520526
+>>2520523
+Naturally.
+>Absolutely Norman Rockwell
+How so?
+--- 2520547
+>>2520224 (OP)
+grandparents in ohio had 40 acres with a creek going through it, whenever we visited growing up my brother and i would wade through and explore the creek for what seemed like miles
+--- 2520560
+>>2520547
+What did you do there?
+--- 2520563
+>>2520359
+I got set free on the unsuspecting UP forest at age 7. Never had any issues with wolves, lions, bear or coyotes, but thinking back my parents probably should have been supervising.
+As for OPs question I did a lot of "fort" building with my friends and siblings. we were all I faulted with the Indian wars and would build Indian and settler forts then play war and try and take eachothers forts. As we got older these structures got more and more sturdy and sofisticated. As >>2520369 said harassing wildlife and catching small animals was a staple. 
+Our biggest operation was building a dam across a stream. It took an entire summer, bevers moved in and remade it for us so it still stands to this very day.
+--- 2520583
+>>2520443
+Just the idea of greenery and fresh water everywhere. I also really liked song of the south growing up and figured everything would look like that.
+--- 2520585
+>>2520583
+>Song of the South
+Gotta check that out as well. Thanks.
+>idea of Greenery and Fresh Water everywhere
+That is amazing, I gotta say.
+--- 2520639
+>>2520560
+wading up and down the creek, skipping rocks, swimming, exploring
+--- 2520732
+Used to love that show.
+I lived on a big property surrounded by woods, the closest road being dirt and gravel and the nearest neighbors a ways away. Didn't have internet or cable tv so when I wasn't reading books I went outside. Always wore either flip flops or rubber boots. Mostly I played in mud puddles, catching frogs, turtles, lizards, etc. Loved to make forts. I knew our property and the surrounding woods like the back of my hand. Surprisingly I've never been in actual danger, the worst that I can recall is a big strange dog growling at me but that happened right in the yard, and two trespassers coming onto the property to steal scrap metal. I had to run through tall grass back home to tell my parents. I saw snakes and black widows often but had enough sense to avoid them. Stupid thing I did was walk onto a froze over pond despite not being able to swim, also wading into a creek that got pretty rough. Hope this is what you wanted to hear OP.
+--- 2520769
+>>2520359
+Me and my friends were running wild in the woods by age 9 but then again we don't have bears or cougars here in Aus.
+When was the last time someone was actually attacked by a bear in your area?
+--- 2521018
+>bump
+--- 2521068
+>bumpx2
+--- 2521114
+>>2521018
+>>2521068
+/out/ is a slow board, you don't need to bump shit.
+--- 2521782
+>>2521114
+Bumping anyway
+>bump
+--- 2521793
+I groed up in a small New England farmtown. My parents own several acres of woods but the entire forest is maybe 2000 acres (and that's just 2000 acres contained by the road, the woods continue semi-forever).
+
+I spent every day in the woods as a kid, all day. Just about never once saw another human being anywhere in the forest or on the hills. I know those woods like the back of my hand - you could show me a cropped photo of a rock or a stump or even a puddle and I would tell you where it is. It was amazing.
+
+>tree climbing
+>foraging wild apples and berries
+>building forts and treehouses
+>camping out (as I got older, as we have significant problems with burr and coyotes)
+>"woods training" (basically our kid version of forest parkour)
+>following the old stone walls through the woods looking for old artifacts
+>over the years found an old two-man saw blade, some hand-forged horseshoes, a whiskey bottle from 1870, an axe head, an iron jaw trap
+
+parents still own the property but things are changing, parts of the woods have changed hands and development is encroaching :[
+--- 2521974
+>>2520224 (OP)
+>So to anyone who enjoyed exploring the woods as a kid, why?
+Mostly fishing and mushroom picking, why? What else were you gonna do? I grew up In pretty rural Sweden, nothing to fix on the car, dog is croomed and fed, homework done. Now what?
+No Internet 
+No phone
+Ofcourse you are just gonna "go for a walk" and fuck around, was before I discovered girls, alcohol and tobacco though
+--- 2521978
+>>2521974
+plus the chance of finding porno mags
+what happened to that? why was it ever a thing, and why did so many of us find porno mags in the woods?
+--- 2521987
+>>2520359
+When he's old enough to safely and competently operate a rifle. Even then, I'd want to be in the general vicinity in case something happens.
+--- 2521988
+>>2520361
+Bureau of Land Management, it's a federal agency that overseas a lot of cultural and natural resource management.
+--- 2522055
+>>2520361
+Black Lives Matter forest, in America huge patches of woodland are given to negroes as reparations for the martyrdom of Saint Floyd.
+--- 2522057
+>>2521978
+Other kids dumping them there after being caught.
+
+I had a "lad's mag" as a teen, basically just topless women, and my dad sent me away to get rid of it. Where do you think I went? Yep, you guessed it.
+--- 2522060
+>>2520477
+You now understand why people in the past had 10 kids. They played outside and so were prone to dying. You can't emotionally afford to have a child die if you only have 1 or 2.
+--- 2522062
+Man this thread is making me envious, my parents wouldn't even leave me alone when playing in our backyard or town park. No wonder I grew up retarded and had to fix my life from scratch.
+--- 2522135
+>>2520477
+I grew up in rural Mississippi and me and my friends used to swim in the swamp to catch crabs for my uncle to cook, until we got a stubborn gator that wouldn't leave and ate one of our cats, then my parents never let me do it again. So sad.
+--- 2522154
+i grew up by a park in dc, mostly paved trails with some well maintained dirt ones. there was a creek and for some reason my friends and i thought the other side was an island so we called it "kid island" and never bothered to find the other side of the island. there was a big fallen tree we would cross to get there. probably the best thing that happened was finding an old ammo can in the brush with army men, a pocket knife and a mini flashlight, which thinking back on it now was most likely a geocache.
+--- 2522471
+>bump
+--- 2522524
+>>2521978
+>why did so many of us find porno mags in the woods?
+Pederasts. Unironically. They deliberately provide porn to young men in order to make them more sexually vulnerable.
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd0wCZsNqTM [Embed]
+>lol. You thing gays are just leaving porno mags out for kids? 
+Yes. Do you think they just sprout there? 
+>but the skin mags are always straight!
+It's called grooming. They don't start out with the all male anal fisting
+--- 2522525
+>>2520224 (OP)
+>And also what was the best thing or THINGS you did there?
+We explored the entire woods and golf course near our houses. We named every section of it and most of the notable trees. Made elaborate maps. Built all sorts of huts and shelters. We tobogganed on every hill and valley in the golf course, and some places you could continue on down through the woods. We made swords out of broken hockey sticks (back when hockey sticks were made of wood), fought with those and hurt each other. We made bows, crossbows and spears from saplings. 
+
+As a teen, I'd just wander alone or fun. I tested some leaves and saps to see if smoking them would get me high. I would also fap a lot.
+--- 2522526
+>>2522524
+>Unironically.
+You are so fucking stupid it hurts.
+--- 2522527
+>>2522526
+Not an argument
+--- 2522529
+>>2520224 (OP)
+I grew up in a Southern California town that was citrus groves surrounded by mountains. My dad was from the rural part of Pennsylvania and he encouraged me to go get lost as a kid quite often because that’s how he grew up. I remember hiking out with my friends and doing overnight trips out of a backpack when I was elementary school aged. My friends and I all got mini bikes around the same time which allowed us to explore further and further out of our backyards when we were in middle school. By the time we were in high school we all had full sized dirtbikes and half decent camping gear. Ride out as far as we could and set up a site, have a little fire, share a joint and sip liquor we stole from our parents.
+--- 2522557
+>>2522527
+Anon's post is pure fiction. The response is literary criticism.
+--- 2522567
+>>2520477
+There's a damn in my village to control the water level of the lake. Some kids I knew would go through the sluice on purpose for shits and grins. I'm guessing your damn was either higher or the sluice was more violent.
+--- 2522572
+>>2520485
+>It involved walking down 3 streets, crossing a small intersection
+My walk to kindergarten was 3 blocks along the busiest street in my city. I'd do it with a friend. My friend was a latch key kid. His single mom was still at work when he came home from work so it would just be him and a brother who was maybe 2-3 years older. So a kindergartner and a 3rd grader alone at home after school every day.
+
+You did that today, his mother would be arrested and lose custody.
+--- 2522583
+>>2522055
+That acronym swap is never not funny
+--- 2522617
+>>2522557
+Idk. Doesn't seem too fictional
+--- 2523258
+>bump
+--- 2523261
+I got a spooky feeling whenever I went out into the forest as a kid and I really liked it. Going out there made me feel cool and brave like a frontiersman or something.
+--- 2523268
+>>2523261
+How so?
+--- 2523404
+>bump
+--- 2523407
+>>2522617
+Can confirm. Pedophiles are said to do this
+--- 2523616
+>bump
+--- 2523973
+>>2523268
+There is just an ominous feeling in North American wilderness when you're out there alone, especially at night. Also I was really into Bigfoot and shit at the time too so that helped with the spoopy vibe.
+--- 2525303
+>bump
+--- 2525579
+>>2523407
+The child muhlestor in my town did this :[8ntd4s
+--- 2525663
+>>2520224 (OP)
+>why?
+Being in the woods is its own reward.
+In the woods we could be Indians, hobbits, cavemen, explorers, whatever. Doing that in town we'd get pestered by the townies. 
+Parents insisted we go outside. Outside was the woods and fields.
+--- 2525664
+>>2523407
+>are said to do this
+Please read and understand what you wrote.
+--- 2525666
+>>2522617
+>I'll post more antiporn propaganda. Maybe that will help.
+--- 2525672
+>>2520244
+All the berry patches I remember around were I lived were on farm land that had been abandoned. 
+
+>>2521978
+>why was it ever a thing
+The best explanation I can think of is that porn is a disposable thing. Boomers would buy a mag, go somewhere secluded to leaf through it and have a wank, then ditch the mag before they went home. Maybe they had a stash they'd look at from time to time then lose in interest. Their wife or mother wouldn't let them keep the stash in the home. You'd need to be somewhere secluded to wank anyway. 
+
+I also strongly suspect that stumbling on a cache would be a once or twice in a lifetime thing. But to the 8 years olds it was the most amazing and memorable moment of their life and takes on a disproportionate importance. No one is going to talk about the rusted cans or barbed wire fence. Everyone is going to talk about that one titty mag they found.
+--- 2526117
+>bump
+--- 2527399
+>bumpx2
+--- 2527687
+We mainly built sheds, dams, carved messages and explored. A bit like playing slow low level minecraft. Also since animals and plants change along the months or with weather events there are always new things to find even in the well known places. 
+
+>>2520380
+>it was essentially a big playground without supervision. No parents, no strangers, just us.
+This.
+--- 2527809
+>>2521793
+>foraging wild apples
+How were you eating them?
+Wild apple sucks.
+--- 2527815
+>>2520224 (OP)
+started camping by myself at eleven or twelve years old. when I was fifteen I camped two and a half months by myself until I ran out of food and ended up getting caught 
+>>2520361
+>realistically
+normally is the word you're looking for
+--- 2527864
+>>2527809
+well, it's a combination of whilde apples (crab apples) and feral apples that are leftover from the farm which burned and ceased to exist in 1790.
+
+there are little yellow crabbies which are juicy and sweet like pears; medium green apples which are fairly juicy and tart, large red apples which are hard and super starchy/inedible, and large red apples which are quite nice if you let them ripen till the end of season.
+
+I would harvest a mixture of the edible ones and make apple pies
+--- 2527881
+>>2520224 (OP)
+It would be like trying to explain the world to someone who had lived in a room their entire life
+
+You just wouldn’t get it….
+--- 2527885
+>>2527881
+like the shadows on the cave wall
+--- 2527951
+>bump
+--- 2527957
+>>2520224 (OP)
+Building shelters, playing hide and seek, hunting each other or animals, exploring, then during puberty we just made bigger camps, campfires and drank a lot, in -25C we build our own giant heated tents just for one night or even just sat by the fire the entire night with snow falling up to our waistes.
+--- 2527962
+>>2527957
+I fucking love going feral in the snow. Yeah getting drink in the deep freeze has its risks but for one night you can survive with all fingers and have the time of your life. Sadly my friends were largely opposed to campouts in deep winter even though we would often go for long drunken walks till 3am instead... which is probably more dangerous on account of no fire or shelter.
+
+One night it was so br00tal out that our beers kept freezing solid in our hands while we were drinking them. Shit was FACKED.
+
+Pickerel. This is why I bought a Pentax camera; fully armed and operational even at desperately subzero temps
+--- 2528400
+I used to love climbing into unorganized logpiles.
+I live in the rocky mountains, and around my property there were large piles of logs, not like the cut up kind, like full sized. It was arguably really dangerous, like I could have gotten crushed, but since I was small enough I could weave inbetween the logs, with large enough piles it was almost like spelunking, it was a bit fucked up One pile had like an open space inbetween the logs (like big enough to sit in) and I pretended it was a tank
+--- 2528411
+>bump
+--- 2528427
+>>2527962
+Bro I live in the Yukon and I still use my pixel to take photos outside at -40, you may be overcomplicating things.
+--- 2529322
+>bump
+--- 2529975
+>bump
+--- 2530332
+>>2528411
+>>2529322
+>>2529975
+Only tourists from lebbit do this.
+--- 2530400
+>>2530332
+If it works there, it'll work here, anon.
+--- 2530417
+>>2520232
+Urbanite moment.
+
+Fucks sake man I grew up a flatlander with only one patch of public woods around and there were still berries in that wood. Can urbanites even touch grass?
+--- 2530419
+>>2530417
+Not if you've been in my (pun not intended) neck of the woods.
+--- 2530420
+>>2520224 (OP)
+Which part? Ulster county reporting in
+--- 2530422
+>>2528427
+I used my Canon POS P&S in the deep freeze but once I switched to DSLR it was nice to know I had a piece of kit that, although more mechanically complex and with far superior optics, was still up for the task
+--- 2530471
+>>2525666
+You shouldn't need propaganda to accept that porn is bad for individuals and society at large. This is uncle Ted's board FFS
+--- 2530959
+>bump
+--- 2531568
+>bump
+--- 2531853
+>>2520224 (OP)
+Grew up in a small southern town that was mostly suburb, but had a few patches of woods that me & my friends could easily bike to. We'd mostly just follow the boatload of creeks that were around there, if it had a divit deep enough to swim in you can bet that we swam in it though. Outside of almost stepping on a coiled-up snake we never had any dangerous experiences/fun finds in the woods; we were never more than a mile from a house/business, so it's not like we were ever in too much danger honestly.
+Probably not too different from your experiences i'd bet, just took place somewhere with a below 6-digit population haha.
+--- 2531871
+oh yeah almost everyone was white
+--- 2532496
+>bump
+--- 2532520
+>>2520224 (OP)
+I grew up by a forest. I think I walked every path every day every summer from when I was old enough to walk until I had a job in high school.
+
+It was nice. The quiet lets you collect your thoughts, feels good to breathe the air, it was calm with the exception of the occasional other kid or family hiking through.
+>the park was preserved by the city, so it didn't shrink, but there's a highway on the north side, high-density housing on the east, and ever increasing intensification on the remaining sides, so it's no longer quiet
+It was fun to tell jokes, or stories, or just look for critters. There used to be a lot of raccoons and bats there, but now there's not a lot. Sometimes we'd build little teepees or shelters. But the park staff would yell at us if we got caught, although I suppose there was no real repercussions.
+>I walked my parents' dog through the forest a few months ago
+>some kids had built a lean-to and were shooting some kind of drug
+>I phoned the park building, they seemed annoyed I had bothered
+
+The forest has a lot of hills. If you're not paying attention you can just step off and fall down a 45+ degree incline until a tree stopped you. Well over a decade ago, I remember some friends and I were screwing around, probably just telling jokes and being useless like usual, when one of us tripped and fell down the biggest hill the in the forest. He was just covered in bruises the next day, probably hit every single root and stone on his way down.
+
+Nothing really happened there that was "the best," but I remember loving my walks with my dad. No real events, just wasting time with dad and trying to catch fireflies in the park on the far side of the forest where it opened into a field. Maybe the druggies and dirtbags were always there, but I only remember him explaining things like the pine trees leaking pitch because of the beetles, daring me to climb the trees that mum never would let me, lying to me about how fast a runner I was, etc.
+--- 2532980
+>bump
+this thread is amazing
+--- 2533904
+>>2527962
+what would I give to hang out with you anon
+--- 2533908
+I feel so envious oh man. Grew up in an apartment building in a dense city in Asia. Still live in one and will probably for the rest of life. It's not as bad as those mega apartment buildings in Hong Kong but very similar. I will never stop lamenting that I wasn't born in North America
+--- 2534374
+>>2528400
+Dumb nigga
+--- 2534379
+swimming in the body of the universe
+--- 2534402
+>>2520224 (OP)
+Yeah, I grew up in the suburbs and there was always green space around but in particular this one creek that ran through that part of the city was completely undeveloped and wooded and basically I would get lost there all day long and come home covered in mud and brambles.
+
+Good times.
+--- 2535065
+>bump
+--- 2535069
+I would usually walk along the creek and jump between the rocks from side to side. We'd have stick races downstream, one time a friend and I sent 'floaters' down instead. Those were simpler times.
+--- 2535075
+>>2520224 (OP)
+>So to anyone who enjoyed exploring the woods as a kid, why? And also what was the best thing or THINGS you did there?
+When I was a kid the forest was this amazing, alluring and the same time scary, so just running around exploring made me feel like I was an adventurer
+The only thing we really did was built "forts" out of sticks and leaves, and collect random trash we found like it was some sort of treasure
+--- 2535095
+>>2521978
+lmao
+in my case because the our property had a good bit of frontage on a highway and i assume truckers would toss them out the window or something, because I'd always find them up near the road.
+--- 2535293
+>>2535075
+>made me feel like I was an adventurer
+What were some of the best adventures you had?
+--- 2535309
+>>2535293
+Shit, my memories from that time are more of a photo collage of random things than a linear story
+But I remember one time we were walking besides a river, trying to catch fish I think.
+Anyways after a while walking around I see this handle looking thing poking out of a bush, I obviously grab it and try to pull it out.
+It rips through and I stumble back, we couldn't fucking belive it, It was this big rusted long sword.
+We were absolutely euphoric, our usual finds were dead critters and trash, so when we found this it was mindblowing
+The adults obviously find out and take it away, I never knew what happened to it, they told us they threw it away but I think one of them stashed it for themselves
+--- 2535319
+>>2535309
+I am legitimately fascinated, anon. You should become an author :)
+--- 2535323
+>>2520232
+most of the time even if you eat poisonous shit it just hurts your tummy
+>t. pokeberry enjoyer
+--- 2536256
+Grew up going to norther iowa around the mississippi. I did the following;
+
+Stalked up on deer
+Caught snakes and snapping turtles
+Searched for cool bottles in the driftwood
+Made driftwood forts
+Waded through streams
+Slept in trees
+Squatted and eatched countless things on the ground.
+Made campfires in the dark
+
+Kids who dont grow up going in the woods alone are pansys
+--- 2536257
+>>2536256
+Watched countless things*
+--- 2536391
+>>2535309
+>It was a big rusted longsword
+This is the second
+>I found a longsword in the woods 
+Story I've heard, why the fuck is this so common? Do people really just leave their longsword in the woods?
+--- 2536392
+>>2520359
+Some time in his teens at least. If he had a buddy at this age it would be okay but walking alone is just asking for trouble.
+Buddy system and a phone / radio.
+--- 2537109
+>bump
+--- 2537404
+>>2520232
+Lmao, imagine living a life thinking food comes from the super market. NGMI
+--- 2537406
+>>2521974
+Yeah but i got my first blowjobs and shit in the woods. My first kiss at the edge of the woods. 
+
+OP probably got his first kiss in an alley or subway. Fucking gross
+--- 2537408
+>>2525664
+Bruh you sound like you are defending pedos. Pedos groom kids, why is that hard to believe for you?
+--- 2537410
+>>2533908
+残念だ
+--- 2537565
+>bump
+--- 2538075
+>bump
+--- 2538234
+>>2520224 (OP)
+I was fortunate enough to have a cabin with lake shore and about 200 acres of private land growing up. Every weekend me and my cousins would just disappear into the woods while our dads went out and did whatever the hell they wanted. 0 supervision. We'd draw maps and have adventures. Pretend pokemon were real is one I remember. Building forts was a big one. We had some sweet ones too, especially as we got older. Then, even at home there was around 500 acres of undeveloped forest across the street. It was private but all the neighborhood kids would screw around in there anyway. It must have had an old farmstead because there were a few old farm buildings hidden in there and a graveyard of old cars that were probably 1940-1960 vintage, powder blue with fender fins, you know the look. Same deal, exploring, for building, smacking each other with sticks. Just had to be home by the time the street lights came on. It was awesome. Got older and pocket knives and wrist rockets led to some amateur wood carving and very poor attempts at hunting song birds and squirrels.
+--- 2538239
+>>2521978
+Lol I forgot about that. I think teenagers take that stuff innawoods to hide it from parents. I remember finding a pair of panties, a condom, and a blanket in the woods once and being too young to know what had happened there. Also found a full 6 pack of Labatt's Blue in bottles and brought it home to my dad. Hindsight, wonder why the hell me and my buddy didn't slam those back.
+--- 2538505
+>bump
+--- 2538852
+>bump
+--- 2539289
+>bump
+--- 2539515
+>>2525666
+There is a mountain of scientific evidence which clearly shows that porn is bad for you. There are also numerous examples of pedophiles using it to make children more open to their advances.
+--- 2539802
+>bump
+--- 2540890
+>bump
+--- 2540993
+>>2520359
+I’d say that’s more of an individual question. If you’re confident in his abilities to avoid risky situations and signal for help at the first sign of trouble, then yeah he’s probably fine.
+
+You don’t have to just let him loose either, wait until he expresses an interest in it, then start by letting him wander off on his own during hikes/exploring and reporting back to a designated spot after a short amount of time.
+
+ Just do whatever you’re comfortable with, he’ll either prove you can trust him or he’ll prove you can’t, either way you won’t know until you give him at least a little bit of freedom.
+--- 2541012
+>>2533904
+you never know anon, the universe is a wild place and anything could happen
+--- 2541411
+>bump
+--- 2542128
+>bump
+--- 2542693
+>bump
+--- 2542743
+I still fo all that stuff, just alone... and 30
+--- 2544435
+>bump
+Keeping this thread alive
+--- 2544503
+>>2520224 (OP)
+i got lost in the woods in PEI when i was 10 and my dad had to call the RCMP
+--- 2544507
+>>2520359
+My family own ten acres of woods in montana. A couple black bear sightings a season and cougars on the game cam every spring. My cousin, a grown man and competent hunter, was chased up into a tree by a cougar in those same woods years ago while he was archery hunting. This was probable less than a 75 yards from the house. I don't know the layout of your property, but I wouldn't let a child in woods alone where cougars are known to be. I'd make him go with a friend or two at least. Alone, id wait for me to be comfortable with him carrying a gun/mace which depends on the child but roughly 12-14.
+--- 2545390
+>>2537410
+Konichiwa?
+--- 2546142
+>bump
+--- 2546234
+>>2525666
+Nice try satan
+--- 2546235
+>>2527864
+That really neat!
+--- 2546896
+>bump
+--- 2547275
+>>2520224 (OP)
+We built a bad ass fort with all the kids in the neighborhood. It started as some 2x4s nailed to trees and over time just evolved into an incredible structure(given that we were all 8-12 years old.) We'd take wood wherever we could get it, usually out of neighbor's trash during the spring. Eventually teenagers started drinking in it so we built a new one, right on the bank of the river. We could fish off the side of the fort and have bonfires and camp in a clearing down a small path about 20 yards away. It was really awesome. I'm blessed to have had a dank childhood.
+--- 2547440
+>>2547275
+>inclusive pepe meme is comfy af
+--- 2547450
+>>2520224 (OP)
+>why
+anon, are you even a human being
+did you ever have a childhood, WTF
+explore, playing pretend, building things from sticks, swimming in a creek. digging holes, shooting my bb gun, riding my bike, climbing trees, fishing, relaxing on a summer day, making fires, playing with the other kids on my street, picking flowers and identifying plants.
+--- 2547452
+>>2520359
+8-14 are the most magical and formative years in a childs life. kids are much smarter than they are often given credit for. just make sure he/she understands the risks and dangers of the area. we live in an age of cell phones and somehow parents are more sheltering than before. we need to instill a love of freedom and independence in the next generation and like it or not that carries risk. the sooner in your life you van make mistakes and learn from them the better.
+--- 2547455
+>>2547452
+>8-14 are the most magical and formative years in a childs life
+Let's see what did I do with those years?
+>public school in a rapidly niggerizing and mexicanizing suburb, video games, no female childhood friends, yelling parents, family trips stopped after siblings 6 and 7 came along
+...
+--- 2547461
+>>2547455
+why do you think i spent so much time in the woods at that age anon.
+--- 2547923
+>bump
+--- 2548326
+>bump
+--- 2548637
+>>2520224 (OP)
+I grew up in a small industrial city without any woods within walking distance. We only had a few small parks. I do have fond memories of walking along the train tracks for miles, though, and occasionally trainhopping as a teenager in the early-2000s.
+--- 2548675
+>>2547455
+I spent those years on Ultima Online. What a fucking waste.
+--- 2548894
+>>2547455
+Y'know, if you look at that school picture from Columbine someone else posted, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold seem to have a friend group. And where friends enough with some girls that they'd put their arms around them in the 2nd photo.
+
+In other words, you managed to isolate yourself to a level even those sad sacks didn't manage.
+--- 2548896
+>>2544507
+Your cousin is a pussy. Or rather, your cousin was chased up a tree by a pussy, making him at least one rung lower then a pussy.
+--- 2549211
+>bump
+--- 2549731
+>bump
+--- 2550232
+>bump
+--- 2551218
+>bump
+--- 2552683
+>bump
+--- 2553723
+>bump
+--- 2554507
+>bump
+
+Keeping the thread alive
+--- 2554883
+>bump
+--- 2555782
+>Bump
+--- 2555789
+>>2520410
+Let him go when you can trust him to carry a gun if you're in bear territory. An 8 year old could easily startle a bear on accident if the dogs run off on him. He's too easy a target for a cougar as well. If he wasn't alone it would be better. Kids are much louder in a group.
+--- 2555797
+>>2520477
+Well, sure, but you must confront the idea of this decision leading to the injury or death of your child. That's your decision as to where to draw the line. My best friend from middle school drowned while swimming in a pond. It was so sudden and quiet no one even noticed until it was too late. Just a normal day at the pond. But cougar and bear country alone? I'd at least want another kid with him.
+--- 2555818
+I grew up in the Chicago suburbs. We had a few large enough swampy forests. You'd hear the coyotes most nights in the summer. Sometimes deer would walk down the sidewalks looking lost. When I'd go out alone I went to explore the closest one, about a mile walk. I found crazy fungus, weird bugs, lazy garter snakes, great horned owls, sometimes even eagles. There would be loads of different birds depending on the season. The woods would flood and the more reclusive water birds could be found in the middle of the woods. There were even a couple beaver that I'd watch until they'd inevitably be captured and taken back to the larger forest preserve. 
+
+One time I was biking around at night on a trail and pulled off to catch a breath near what used to be soccer fields. As I pulled in my flashlight illuminated dozens of teal blue eyes. It was a full meeting of the coyotes. There must have been a dozen at least. I froze, they froze. I backed up slowly then cycled out of there. They picked up their howling. I wasn't in any real danger, but it spooked me. 
+
+Another time I was out by the golf course in the woods. I saw a herd of deer in there running around. It was weird. They started as a group then split off. I thought they might have had coyotes chasing them but no, they were running from another deer. This deer chased after a group that splintered off. When it bumped into one they all stopped. The ones that scattered started coming together, then the one that was bumped started running after them. They kept doing this. They were playing! Deer play tag. I never would have seen that shit if I hadn't spent so much time in the woods.
+--- 2555824
+>>2555818
+Illinois is flat as shit. The forest I played in was largely abandoned. There was one small street with a few houses that were unincorporated. My friend lived in one. There used to be a horse farm in those woods. It closed when the horses were found to have wasting disease, but not after having dozens of dead horses buried in the ground. The wasting disease lives in the dirt for decades, so the place was turned into a forest preserve. There also used to be a sled hill with a little ski lift. All of that was abandoned. So me and my friends would explore the old farm. We found old horse bones. We destroyed an old shed and stripped it of copper. We fucked around on abandoned old equipment. We dragged our sleds out on a long walk through frozen over swamps to get to the hill. Had to be careful since there were loads of rodents living in the snow covered tall grass at the bottom. You'd accidentally dig up a vole in your sled lol.
+
+The forest is still there. It used to be completely ignored. It would only be me out there. Now there's dirt trails for bikes. Times change.
+--- 2557265
+>bump
+--- 2557267
+>>2521114
+bump
+--- 2557272
+>>2528400
+dumbass lookin to get timber rattler bit
+--- 2557274
+>>2533908
+some people are AmericansTM that just haven't made it home
+--- 2557275
+>>2557265
+Responding to your current responses offers more discussion than bumping.
+--- 2557283
+thread soundtrack
+https://youtu.be/qaIvB_wvcjs [Embed]
+--- 2558303
+>>2520224 (OP)
+>run around
+>climb trees
+>build forts
+>play games like manhunt/hide and seek/etc
+>see animals, catch frogs and weird bugs and stuff
+>ride bikes on trails and do sick jumps
+>sometimes find cool old stuff that famers dumped out there decades ago
+>old bottles and pop cans and farm equipment
+>i still have a license plate from the 70s i found in the woods as a kid
+
+Really it's just about being in an environment where you can be alone with your friends and the normal rules of school and your parents don't apply.
+--- 2558402
+I grew up where the only forests were fake forests that had houses on either sides so you could never truly be alone and unseen. So, I would assume allowing your kids to truly roam the forest is one of the greatest things you can do for them. IRL Calvin and Hobbes
+--- 2558408
+gold tier thread
+--- 2558599
+>>2558408
+>gold tier thread
+I agree 100%
+--- 2559370
+>>2520224 (OP)
+UK. We used to go out to the local nature park for days out, or up to the fells. Or it was camping in the Snowdonia range or once in a while up to the Lakes.
+I miss those times. Building dens, swimming, finding logs that floated to make into rafts, fighting with sticks, and all the exploring.
+--- 2560351
+>bump
+--- 2560417
+>>2520439
+looks like an AI generated image
+--- 2561410
+>bump
+--- 2562196
+>bumpx2
+--- 2562208
+>>2520224 (OP)
+we'd go buy snacks from a little shop nearby, and have a little picnic in the woods, sit on the rocks and play Yu-Gi-Oh on an old table. we would build forts too, usually out of pine needles, sticks, and random trash we found. whenever someone moved out or remodeled their kitchen, they'd throw out the old cupboards and such, so we would take them to build stuff. it was like a gold mine to us.
+I used to play a lot of Warcraft then. it wasn't so hard to imagine that the woods were filled with ruins inhabited by elves or ogres even though I knew it wasn't true. eventually I realized that the "forest" wasn't even half a mile across, but man when we were little, it seemed HUGE to us.
+--- 2562605
+>bump
+
+This is all good stuff.
+--- 2562623
+>>2520224 (OP)
+>rural area in NW Oregon, 80s
+>used to have free-reign through an area that, looking back, was at least a few square miles
+>would explore it with other kids that lived nearby
+>play in the cricks, catch crawdads, make campfires, shoot BB guns, build forts, drag an old spray-painted fiberglass boat around to various spots
+>used to explore a junkyard in the area owned by my friend's familly
+>would build forts out of old tires. I remember we once trapped his annoying cousin in a tube of tires and put one with a wheel on top then pissed on him
+>would throw WD-40 cans into the burn pit and try to shoot them
+>try to shoot passing cars with a BB gun
+>break windows on an abandoned house
+>explore these old hermit shacks that were deep in the hills, off the logging road
+>would steal Hustlers, baseball cards, and pot from my friend's fat uncle
+>in the summer we would leave in the mornings and not come back or report in to any adults until 5 or 6 pm
+
+Sadly, I shaped up eventually and lost touch with this friend. Last I heard he was in prison in eastern oregon for rape and kidnapping or something like that. So it goes.
+--- 2562838
+Just checked, the "woods" behind my childhood home were like 30 acres, but back then it felt huge. Always went there to play with my best friend, who lived a bit further down the road. My memory is a bit hazy, but we spent a lot of time in some kind of fantasy world, with monsters, swords, and that kind of shit. We built this whole mythology of the area and a few times went to "war" with some other kids, making secret hideouts with traps and everything.
+When we got a bit older, we also spent a lot of time in the slightly bigger "woods" (~300 acres, converting units for you wonderful Americans) on the other side of the big road. At this point we were a bit too old to fight invisible monsters, we spent most of the time just running around, exploring, climbing trees, getting lost in the old Nazi bunkers, talking about girls. Sometimes we'd bring our bikes to ride them down the hills (now the area is full of MTB trails, back then it wasn't a thing).
+Damn, I had an amazing childhood. Haven't spoken to my friend in years, should probably hit him up.
+--- 2563829
+>bump
+--- 2563832
+>>2520224 (OP)
+I played in the woods and field near my house as a kid. Spent a lot of time down at the creek with my grand pa catching crayfish. We went fishing a lot too. In the fall I would pick blackberries. Played by myself most of the time. I had brothers and sisters but I always preferred to be by myself. I'd set up survival camps pretending I was lost in the woods. especially during winter when it snowed. Good times.
+--- 2563836
+>>2520224 (OP)
+How the fuck is this thread still up?
+--- 2563844
+>>2563836
+Quite frankly this thread is the soul of /out/
+--- 2563848
+>>2563836
+Magic
+--- 2564690
+>>2520224 (OP)
+
+It was 2001-2004, i was 11-14 y.o. at that time and lived in a small-ish town in Estonia. Small kiosks had babushkas that would sell us kids cigarettes and alcohol, condoms etc. So we met local girls from poor/dysfunctional families like ours and kissed, touched played around. Sometimes we got them drunk and some of us were lucky enough to get a bj or to insert the tip etc. All of it in the nearby woods ofc. We would build camps and go robbing houses for materials like plastic, nails, tools etc. at night. Soon we had built a fort, treehouse, watchtower, cooking spot etc. We also loved to visit computer clubs and at first made money by collecting bottles, then by stealing, then by breaking car windows and stealing radios, then by robbing houses. The attendance grew and once we we 10-15 strong we got access to weed, amphetamine and extacy. That's when i started to branch out because things were really getting out of hand and since i was a good student, had hopes/dreams/goals and a positive worldview(also brains)so it wasn't hard to change circles, although i had to fight my way out with some of the guys. Now i'm 33, well off and live a good life while some of those people are unimaginable losers, incarcerated or homeless/drug addicts. It was wild though ngl. and it gave me a lot of experience at a very young age.
+--- 2564692
+>>2525672
+>You'd need to be somewhere secluded to wank anyway.
+
+Lol, my Mom used to provide me with fresh napkins on my computer table regularly and sometimes i had forgotten to wipe a small stain on the table etc. so she did it for me. Never talked about it though. Loved my Mom.
+--- 2564881
+>>2520224 (OP)
+I grew up in a small ontario town and was honestly alone for most of my childhood and wandered around in the woods, fields, and other places unsupervised. There were times were i was definitely not safe but my parents didn't care and I was incredibly curious, I swam in places I shouldn't have, gone so much farther and almost got lost. It has a huge influence on me now, I can wander into the woods and spend hours just watching and interacting with plants. 
+It does make me sad for OP because the idea of not having woods and fields and rivers and forests in my life would honestly make me hollow. The amount of joy, peace, and honestly meaning I get even now going out never gets old.
+--- 2564884
+>>2562838
+one of my beloved forests was completely stripped for a huge subdivision, there is like a small patch left at the fringe, walking through and seeing that little patch and recognizing it killed me.
+--- 2564885
+>>2564690
+Wow estonia really is a shithole
+--- 2565354
+>>2564885
+
+Not really. It was just my town which has mostly russians in it and they make every place they go a shithole. I really would've liked to have a simpler and more friendly childhood like some of the anons i read. Life deals us different cards i guess so its mostly up to the player.
+--- 2565827
+There was a wood behind the local park, close to my home.
+When we were kindergarten aged our parents started letting us play there within earshot and eventually the parents fucked off and we were unattended.
+Wasn't much to do, and we stayed in a smallish grove mostly.
+The teens in the neighborhood built a tree fort with random planks and an exercise bike, but the parents tore it down a month later, so it never got to legendary levels.
+
+My best friends and I would run around, we had names for different areas and our little feet carved paths all around the woods. We never strayed beyond the Meadow into the older Stinky Forest (something like that) save a few times. We found old junk piles there, little else. It was a haunted place, too quiet, ominous to approach. One time we tried to cross the meadow, but every time we got half way across a 40kt gale would kick up and blow us back. After several attempts we just stayed back.
+
+I could probably still draw out a map of every piece of that grove with fairly vivid images in my head, like the spot we found a fox den, or the Fort Thicket full of dense thorns we would crawl into and had a secluded "house" of sorts walled with shrubs (we also built mad forts in my parents basement with all the furniture and blankets).
+We imagined fighting off Indians or whatever, and mostly just ran around barefoot and chased each other around or played tag.l when we weren't treating the park equipment as a climbing challenge.
+
+It all got bulldozed a decade ago for soulless mcmansions. I was back from college for a weekend at the time and got to say goodbye to all the trees that helped raise me, including the Heart of the Forest old oak that we built our fort on.
+
+Having children and not giving them this should be criminal. My cousin, who I spent many days running around catching frogs with by his cottage now has kids and raises them with YouTube 24/7 and won't let them out of sight. They have every toy on earth but build nothing themselves.
+--- 2565834
+My wife grew up in the third world surrounded by jungle. They went hard on "primitive survival" crafting and forts. Made their own dolls out of grass and twigs and mud type stuff. Ran around pretty much feral half the day. Biggest family around, they could more or less bully the other kids by sheer numbers, as could their semi feral family dog pack that would occasionally hunt down and murder other dogs (before getting sold to the butcher themselves kek).
+
+They had marbles and anime trading cards. Apparently rubber bands were the primary currency (?).
+
+After midnight on full moons the whole village would wake and the kids would run around playing hide and seek and tag and CTF and cops n robbers in the dark jungle and among the farms without any electric lighting (paraffin until the late 90s). Apparently the tales of medieval euros having split sleeping schedules with midnight being a wakeful time aren't wrong.
+>Americans thought they could beat these people on their home ground
+It was the children's favorite game to play VC at night lol.
+--- 2567140
+>bump
+
+I love this thread.
+--- 2567145
+>>2565354
+>act like a degenerate
+>b-but it was the Russians fault!
+typical butthurt belter
+--- 2567270
+>>2520224 (OP)
+Grew up in rural Canada, which outside of cities is simply most of Canada. Anyways, thankfully the biggest thing we had to "worry" about was coyotes, but they never fucked with people in my town. If you were really unsure, you'd just bring along a baseball bat or hockey stick or find a big tree branch. As for what I did, it depended. I'd bike around with my brother and make forts. If I was alone, I'd essentially do exactly what Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes did. I'd imagine I was on some far off planet, or in some video game world. I played Dawn of War 1 as a kid, and used to pretend I was a space marine killing Orks. There's a scene in the intro cinematic where a tank buster Ork blows up a dreadnought, and I used to reenact that scene by just chucking myself off of branches into big snowbanks. Or by heaving myself down hills. Other times I'd make up my own stories in my head and just act out the physical part in real life. Of course, it was also handy for taking the dogs out for walks. There's also a strange amount of old ass abandoned cars in farmers fields and ravines. One was rusted and had a bunch of holes in it. I like to think it was some mobsters car that got gunned down.
+
+But yeah you basically just ran around and used your imagination. Was pretty relaxing.
+--- 2567901
+>>2567270
+This reminds me I would make Zelda swords out of some stakes, wrap them in clear packing tape, use color markers on the tape, wrap in another layer, etc, like 7 times so it looked like picrel, then swat fireflies so it glowed (mean in retrospect, but good fun at the time).
+>ran around and used your imagination
+Peak life
+--- 2568575
+>bump

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+-----
+--- 2536105
+https://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/bill-would-allow-physical-force-to-terminate-suspected-trespass/article_25d72762-a710-11ed-a9b7-6b56f92e00fd.html
+
+Pretty interesting in that they want fewer state officials involved in the matter and might let people take simple matters into their own hands.
+--- 2536107
+>>2536105 (OP)
+what will we do if this outbreak of common sense spread to other states?
+i know the cunty/shitty progressives will cry foul, but god damn has coddling people ever helped, anyone, anywhere?
+
+>tfw living in oregon and every scrap of open land around eugene has turned into a defacto homeless shelter.
+
+if some number of them were to be gassed word might get round that maybe being freeloading trash isn't a great idea. worst case scenario there would just be fewer of them shitting up the streets/parks/sidewalks.
+--- 2536112
+>>2536107
+>You got any change?
+--- 2536114
+>>2536109
+posts like this make me want to visit wyoming again.
+(i'd never move there, because they are obviously full and outsiders need to fuck off back whence they came.)
+--- 2536118
+>>2536105 (OP)
+>now you listen here sandhiller
+>I gots you now on trespassin
+>And you're fixin to get got on enguzzlement, armed slobbery and acceptin swollen goods over 2 inches
+> This ain't nobody business butt ours
+Are they making this whole state ram ranch?
+--- 2536251
+>>2536105 (OP)
+this should only be a thing if corner crossing was also legal.
+--- 2536261
+>>2536251
+i've never heard a solid justification for banning corner crossing.
+i mean the main reason seems to be to allow ranchers to control as much public land as possible, while minimizing the amount they have to own themselves in order to do it.
+any other rationale?
+--- 2536313
+>>2536261
+>property right are a mysterious conspiracy!!11
+It's that you don't actual own property if randos are allowed to enter without permission you mentally ill parasite.
+--- 2536327
+>>2536313
+I dont think you understand what corner crossing is. You can literally step from public land to public land WITHOUT stepping on private land...and yet somehow that is trespassing because the property rights supposedly extend into the airspace....and you are supposedly violating that air space even tho you are not touching private land.
+
+Which is essentially contradictory with the stream acess law (in MT) that allows you to travel thru private property via streambeds.
+--- 2536330
+>>2536327
+That is some extreme gold medal level mental gymnastics.
+So my assessment was accurate then?
+Posted:
+>>2536261
+--- 2536336
+>>2536313
+I almost certainly own more land than you anon.
+--- 2536339
+>>2536336
+>cuckhold trying to brag about his wife
+kek
+--- 2536387
+>>2536327
+What the fuck? Doesn't the US have right of way? Here in the UK and pretty much every country I've ever been in, you can walk through any private land and only need to leave once the landowner tells you you are tresspassing. If you are just passing through they, they largely can't do shit.
+--- 2536537
+>>2536118
+>enguzzlement, armed slobbery and acceptin swollen goods
+Lost
+--- 2536627
+>>2536387
+It's the same in the US. Unless a property is clearly marked as "NO TRESPASSING", then you are legally allowed to be there until someone tells you to leave, which is why so many people in the US have no trespassing signs around their property. Also, despite what people here will tell you, as long as you're not a strung out drug addicted faggot weirdo, people will usually talk to you before they pull out their gun and start firing.
+--- 2536693
+>>2536261
+In America, one of the fundamental land owning concepts we have and had for hundreds of years is that you have a lawful right to exclude people from your land. That’s it, there’s no argument or persuasion, it’s a just a hard rule we have. It’s why easements exist.
+--- 2536703
+>>2536693
+>lawful right to exclude people from your land
+but the issue is that corner crossing doesnt infringe on private land. You literally do not step on anyone's private property by corner crossing.
+--- 2536706
+>be me
+>don't know what corner crossing is
+>pic related
+What the fuck?
+>mfw people have actually been charged with criminal trespassing for this shit
+--- 2536718
+>>2536706
+Yep it’s bullshit.
+100% a way to encircle and deprive the public of public land. but the owner will gladly sell you a weekend pass to transit his land to get over to the BLM land he’s gatekeeping.
+--- 2536734
+>>2536718
+There was a documentary on this. A few private land owners put up gates and locks on public easements, as the land owners were running hunting lodges and it gave their customers exclusive access to BLM areas.
+--- 2536735
+>>2536703
+We don’t know what it is yet because the suit hasn’t gone to trial. You’re taking one dudes complaint and saying it’s legal precedent.
+--- 2536743
+>>2536735
+>You’re taking one dudes complaint and saying it’s legal precedent.
+Im not saying anything of the sort. I am simply pointing out the facts. If you dont step on someone'e property you should be considered tresspassing
+--- 2536769
+>>2536743
+>should be
+shouldnt
+--- 2536772
+>>2536109
+Bonus.
+--- 2536775
+>>2536313
+Fragmenting public land into checkerboard squares so only railroad and mining companies would have access to it was unironically a conspiracy.
+--- 2536926
+I hate the federal goverment as much as the next guy, but they should just make 1.5ft on each side of a corner an easement. So as long as you don't damage the fence you can cross. Or spend some of my fucking money to stall crossovers to connect public land. Would be like 50$ a pop and paying a forest janny to hike out and set it up
+--- 2536984
+>>2536926
+i dunno, these ranchers and their lawyers have names and addresses.
+at the end of the day they are stealing from the public, there should be consequences
+
+like maybe find out where they live or work, or shop -- and show up with a posse and just start tickling them. and i don't mean just a little tickle, and the resulting light giggle -- but full on, heavy duty tickling until they wet themselves. a 20 minute long multi-person tickle-fest, until they just cannot handle it anymore
+
+but the entire premise that you are 'violating their airspace' by corner crossing is such obvious bullshit, only a lawyer would put any stock in that explanation.
+--- 2536998
+>>2536114
+cuck mindset
+--- 2537011
+Unless they catch you in the middle of corner crossing, once you are in the blm land what can they actually do? They can't say you are trespassing because you are on public land at that moment. If you perfectly execute a corner cross you would only be on their land for a split second. That is not enough time to ask you to leave or point a gun and shoot at you.
+--- 2537015
+>>2536706
+Wow fuck this
+Why would anyone ever put up with this shit, if I ever encounter this in real life I'll just """trespass""" and the owner can cry about it
+--- 2537016
+>>2537011
+I think in WY it’s several hundred in fines and 6mos in jail.
+Ranchers/hunting lodges do not fuck around with you circumventing their paypiggie racket and will press charges.
+--- 2537115
+>>2536339
+Based ESL larper
+--- 2539291
+>>2536109
+This makes me want to go to Wyoming.
+--- 2539312
+>>2537011
+Wyoming may have the air of nothing going on backwoods but without the woods retard place to coasties but the truth is it's just a gigantic open air playground for the unimaginably rich now. They make a game out of how to strategically buy land to encircle other land so they in effect own triple or more of actual land. Because no one else can actually get to the """public""" land legally.
+--- 2539362
+>>2539312
+Isn't all that encirclement going on in the plains where grazing is viable? I think all the areas you'd want to actually hike through are easily accessed public land (Yellowstone, wind river range, Bob Marshall, absaroka)...
+>no coasties
+I would've thought with Yellowstone there and all the ads WY would be swarming with them. And given the low population and native component they'd be flipping blue any day now.
+No?
+Or did the coasties all stop at Boise for now, have to wait for prices to get another +50% jacked up before they locust eastward?
+--- 2539412
+>>2539362
+>I would've thought with Yellowstone there and all the ads WY would be swarming with them. And given the low population and native component they'd be flipping blue any day now.
+
+They go north to Bozeman
+--- 2539471
+>>2536387
+>uk 
+Not anymore.
+--- 2539498
+>>2536114
+you’re a bitch lmao this is America we can go wherever we want 
+same mindset as people who won’t travel to Hawaii because the locals hate white people
+--- 2539597
+>>2539545
+What.
+--- 2539605
+>>2536327
+It doesn't make sense I I can build a structure not touching your land but a few inches above it. Land owners own the air space above to whatever height.
+This is separate from the absolute stupidity that is this corner crossing case, they stepped over so no big deal. I think there's much more to the case than the article suggested.
+--- 2539606
+>>2539605
+>Land owners own the air space above to whatever height.
+There is not a single private entity in the US that owns any amount of airspace. The federal government owns and regulates airspace. They "allow" you to interact with lower thresholds, like flying a drone or riding one of those propeller packs. But no, you do not own airspace and never will.
+--- 2539634
+>>2539291
+Please stay away. We are full
+--- 2539664
+>>2539634
+Wyoming isn't full, goober. It's one of the least densely populated states in the US.
+--- 2539668
+>>2539412
+Makes sense, my theconversation.com-slurping ultraliberal friend lives there. He whines incessantly about the local Nazis.
+Are there a lot of Nazi types up there too?
+--- 2539742
+>>2536706
+WY ranch fags are the most contempt-able "i know what I got" boomers you could think of. I would not be upset if raiders murdered them in their sleep.
+--- 2539752
+>>2539606
+Which is the logical next step for thumbing one's nose at the corner trolls if they persist: flying some sort of personal quadcopter, ultralight, or other VTOL craft into the blocked-off public land. We may not have a Euro-style right to roam enshrined in law, but a right of overflight above 500ft is unequivocal.
+--- 2539885
+>>2539362
+>I think all the areas you'd want to actually hike through are easily accessed public land
+
+there is a lot of public land that is inaccessible. ONX did a paper on it...and its a bigger deal for hunters rather than hiking per se
+
+https://www.trcp.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/2019-onX-TRCP-Report.pdf
+--- 2539888
+>>2539605
+>>2539606
+
+Here is a good article on the issue/case
+
+https://amerisurv.com/2023/02/09/corner-crossing/
+--- 2540002
+>>2539752
+>>2539888
+Don't ever go full retard again. It's not a good look.
+--- 2540359
+>>2540002
+You personal experience is not a guarantee for others.
+--- 2540423
+>>2536105 (OP)
+boy i can't wait to get shot crossing from a public piece of land to another public piece of land because some retard 4th generation rancher thinks he is a king. as if it wasn't already bad enough that their herds destroy everything they come in contact with.
+--- 2542220
+>>2540423
+Based landchad, removing /out/istic anons from his property.
+--- 2542327
+>>2539362
+>Implying coasties watch Yellowstone
+--- 2542568
+>>2536743
+What the fuck is corner crossing?
+By the name i assume it was cutting across the corner of someone land, but obviously thats not the case since you said corner crossing isnt stepping foor on someone land.
+--- 2542572
+>>2539606
+Retard, "airspace" does not begin until a certain height above your property.
+--- 2542573
+>>2542568
+look at this picture>>2536706
+it is crossing those corners of the checkerboard land plots.
+--- 2542575
+>>2542573
+I see. My next question would be, did the persons involved actually step over the property marker? Or did they cut through the private property
+>but it wasnt like they cut through much it was just a little bit so it doesnt matter!
+--- 2542582
+>>2536706
+Yeah as an Aussie I'm a bit confused. Doesn't Wyoming have easements/road reserves?
+--- 2542611
+>>2542575
+>did they cut through the private property
+Who cares? Right of way should overrule the few square feet you'd have to cross.
+--- 2542646
+>>2542611
+>who cares
+...all parties involved?
+You do realize the US does not have right of way laws like some eurocuck states do.
+If someone doesnt want you on their property, you have no right to be there. Passing through or otherwise.
+--- 2542982
+>>2536706
+That's private property, zoomer.
+--- 2543066
+>>2536109
+Don't come to idaho either you hapless ingrate.
+--- 2543598
+>>2536118
+I'm dying!
+--- 2543615
+>>2536261
+>i mean the main reason seems to be to allow ranchers to control as much public land as possible
+This is exactly what it is. I guarantee the first time some cowboy buckaroo tries to blast a BLM employee corner crossing to BLM land the law will change.
+--- 2543624
+>>2539362
+I think it's just a matter of time until a lawsuit fucks all those rich fuckers in the ass. The courts are going to smack this corner shit down as it is plainly common sense. Then they are gonna have to deal with all the hunters and rainbow fags crossing allover their lands.
+--- 2543625
+>>2539664
+Not one of, IS. Pop is in the 600k range. Doesn't even break a million. Pathetic!
+--- 2543626
+>>2543624
+The Wyoming legislature could solve this problem easily they just choose to be faggots too.
+--- 2543627
+>>2542646
+Lol...found the no land poor. It's called an easement poorfag. Like that strip of grass between the road and the sidewalk in front of a house. You can lay down on that and take a nap at a strangers house and they can't really do shit about it because it is an easement. The courts could easily declare an easement at the corners and be done with this shit. The federal congress could declare that anyone that cuts off public land in this way is a 'de facto owner' and force them to pay tax on that including all the years of back taxes. They could do that pretty easily.
+--- 2543632
+>>2543627
+Jesus fuck youre retarded. I asked if they passed through the private property or the easement
+--- 2543684
+>>2539668
+>Are there a lot of Nazi types up there too?
+Not him, but no. Your friend is a typical progressive who thinks anyone who doesn't favor gun control and faggot marriage is a literal Nazi. In a mostly-rural state full of traditional gun owners.
+--- 2544367
+>>2543627
+don't easements have a stated purpose though? like in your example, the easement might cover transit, as in you can cross the easement for any reason, but that's not extended to camping out on it.
+like for example on my property there's an easement for firebreaks on the adjoining property, legally our neighbors could come onto our property and cut down trees to maintain the 100' firebreak around their dwelling, and vice versa. (luckily that's never been needed.) but that's the extent of the rights on the other side of the property line
+
+the corner crossing idiocy could be handled that way, or simply state that property owners do not own the air space at corners. either way it's contrary to the spirit of public land, and they are absolutely exploiting the system for personal gain, to the detriment of the public at large. 
+
+it's theft and should be treated accordingly.
+--- 2544370
+>>2544367
+>either way it's contrary to the spirit of public land
+The spirit of public land is contrary to the spirit of america.
+Its not the surrounding land owners fault that the government is refusing to sell those parcels.
+--- 2544802
+>>2544370
+99% of the USA is shit. The people, the cities, the culture. The only thing worthwhile is the public land.
+--- 2544841
+>>2544802
+Best country on earth, cry about it.
+--- 2544854
+>>2544841
+>Best country on earth (for obese niggers)
+Fixed
+--- 2544857
+>>2544854
+--- 2544863
+>>2544802
+This is going in my nu-out folder.
+--- 2544869
+>>2544863
+Unfortunately it’s a hard truth for many redditors to accept.
+--- 2544884
+>>2544869
+peak nu-out Tbh
+--- 2544935
+>>2542572
+In the US federal regulators can determine where devices like drones and remote control airplanes can be used regardless of how "high" you fly them. For example if you live two miles from an airport its illegal to fly a drone outdoors regardless of the altitude... like anything else it's only illegal if you get caught.
+Same with trees even--if you live a certain distance from an approach vector to an airport they can make you cut your trees down.
+
+The "where does airspace begin" isn't the minimum altitude for private or commercial aircraft but the point above ground where the federal government determines what can and cant fly--which is whatever the feds want it to be.
+--- 2544936
+>>2544935
+Which is why nobody except the federal government owns "airspace". Despite all the seething in this thread.
+--- 2544952
+I live in Wyoming and most of this is true. The economy is controlled by two groups - ranchers, and oil/coal guys. The government of course caters to them because they have the most money. But it's changing, due to Jackson Hole, a town on the west border. There, millionaires are getting pushed out by billionaires. All of them from coastal states. They throw a lot of money around and usually get their way. Laramie, and half of Cheyenne and Casper agrees with them.
+
+I don't care as long as they don't start fucking with gun laws. In WY, once you turn 18 you can own any long gun and carry it in public, though few do. And at 21, you can own and concealed carry a handgun. No license required, no bullshit needed. As it should be. It's no wonder that we have so little violent crime here. Most common crimes are drunk driving and bar fights. Nobody can make a career out of it when there's a solid 60% chance that you'll be shot dead if you start causing trouble. Even the cops are pretty relaxed here, as long as you're white.
+--- 2545094
+>>2536118
+Lol
+--- 2545104
+>>2536109
+Gr8 b8
+--- 2545105
+>>2539498
+Did you really fall for that?
+--- 2545127
+>>2544935
+>regardless of how "high" you fly them.
+Incorrect. Like literally factually incorrect.
+Why would you be wrong on the internet.
+--- 2545184
+>>2536327
+So what. For the split second you're technically trespassing, what's going to happen? The call the warden, but you're already off their land. You'll get a warning. Camp all weekend on the public land they have landlocked and make them seethe. Any fine you might get when you leave and trespass the second time is worth it.
+--- 2545478
+>>2545184
+>So what.
+for the most part you correct...until you arent. See>>2539888
+--- 2545643
+>>2539888
+That landowner sounds like a complete asshole.
+--- 2546484
+>>2545643
+As is his right.
+--- 2548405
+>>2544952
+>care as long as they don't start fucking with gun laws. In WY, once you turn 18 you can own any long gun and carry it in public
+That's a federal law, goofus.
+--- 2548417
+>can't even step on someone's ranch in bumfuck nowhere arid wasteland without threat of being arrested or sued
+>would never be able to afford ranching land of your own without being practically rich
+America is dead.
+--- 2548421
+>>2548417
+>get to throw people off my land and protect my land from degenerates, fags, liberals, and cityfolk
+America is healing.
+--- 2548425
+>>2548421
+Ah yes the fags that often go skulking about on rural Wyoming ranches, soliciting gay sex from the lonely lusty ranch hands. Finally it's open season. Larper.
+--- 2548426
+>>2548425
+How can you miss that badly.
+--- 2548454
+>>2548426
+Miss what? The seasonal migration of trespassing fags? You just a retarded rural cuck instead of a larper, then? You'd think you'd be grateful for the supposedly wandering fags. It's the only wet hole around for miles besides the animals and we know you've had your fill of ol' Bessie already. Need something to suck you before calving season starts.
+--- 2548476
+>>2548454
+nta but yeah... thats a hard miss my guy.
+--- 2548608
+>>2548421
+Isn’t this landowner a drug peddling city dweller from Baltimore?
+--- 2548688
+>>2548608
+Yep
+--- 2549310
+>>2548476
+Oh so it means nothing. If you're going to be mysterious about it, you're just covering for having nothing substantial. Pure trash then, huh. Just shitting in the wind.
+--- 2549589
+>>2549310
+What part of nta do you not understand. You just ignore everything said and call the guy a fag, is that supposed to be an argument? Because its not, its a miss.
+--- 2549650
+>>2549589
+Ooooh I get it now! You're retarded. He apparently has migrating fags on his property. He said it himself. Did you read anything, retard? Go back up the comment chain.
+--- 2549666
+>>2549650
+Why are you so mad
+--- 2549669
+>>2549666
+He's probably one of the people that was called out in the post.
+--- 2551191
+>>2549666
+Mad? I'm laughing at you, silly. But hey, you're not inventive enough to shoot the shit with apparently. 
+
+>>2549669
+Your low effort shit is boring. You also scared about wandering bands of fags trespassing on your acreage? That's what my first comment was about. Making fun of a stupid comment.
+--- 2551569
+>>2551191
+>i was seething comedically
+--- 2551609
+>>2551191
+Yeah, he was definitely called out
+--- 2552107
+Arizonians would like to extend a heartfelt lmao to the absolute state of dipshits encircling public land to cut it off and exploit it themselves
+
+See you in 20 years
+--- 2552158
+>>2552107
+Boy have i got news for you
+--- 2552268
+>>2552158
+I'm waiting for the news man c'mon what's the word, tell me about Arizona a state of people who seem to mostly want to be left the fuck alone no matter who they are, tell me about the public lands they block off access to here in Arizona
+--- 2552276
+>>2552268
+>a state of people who seem to mostly want to be left the fuck alone no matter who they are
+--- 2552290
+>>2552276
+>doesnt know anything about anyone outside Phoenix and Tucson(AKA Southern California)
+--- 2552468
+>>2537011
+They know you cant access that captive public land without trespassing on theirs, and they will press charges against you, and they will win because the state is in their pocket.
+
+WY is a bunch of rich hobby ranchers
+--- 2552480
+>>2536105 (OP)
+>wyoming
+POS mafia state ran by ranchers who got their land because grandpappy was an actual serial killer rapist and killed the settlers around him. This hellhole should have more nuclear missile silos built in it so Russia leaves absolutely nothing left of this embarrassment to humanity when the world war starts.
+--- 2552485
+>>2548421
+>ranch is owned by a pharma billionaire from New York
+--- 2552486
+>>2544884
+My buddy who served in the Green Berets, worked as a firefighter, and more agrees with the sentiment that 99% of people are shit.
+--- 2552490
+>>2536627
+Not necessarily.
+
+Trespassing is an intentional tort. But in the case of trespassing, because the US has its head up its own ass, “intent” just means that you intentionally went into someone’s land, not that you *knowledgably* went on their land. Its a stupid petty legal distinction to get people in trouble.
+--- 2552491
+>>2552490 (Me)
+
+I should say I know this to be true for civil lawsuits, but I don’t know about criminal
+--- 2552509
+>>2536105 (OP)
+Based
+>>2536107
+>tfw living in oregon
+>mfw up in western Washington
+Now I'm not about to let Seattle chase me out of my birthplace, but damn the government sucks up here compared to other states.
+--- 2552538
+>>2552290
+>Phoenix and Tucson(AKA Southern California)
+So you admit these "people" exist in the state of arizona.
+
+Thanks for playing retard
+--- 2552540
+>>2552486
+>my homosexual boot licker buddy
+--- 2552755
+>>2552540
+You don't understand, anon. His friend's dad works for Nintendo.
+--- 2552789
+>>2536118
+consider it...UNDER SEIGE!!!!
+--- 2554761
+>>2552789
+Under lockdown?!
+--- 2556328
+>>2552268
+Arizonans act life they want to be left the fuck alone then get up in other people's business like they're owed it. When the road rage shootings were real bad I couldn't help but laugh. A state full of people going DON'T TREAD ON ME while taking a shit on their neighbor. Okay things get more chill up in Northern Arizona. I've met some great people in the mountains. The desert? Bat shit people. Lots of drugs. The city? Phoenix is hilarious. They just built an entire tower out of shipping containers, no joke. It's total shit. 100% car centered city. Hot as fuck. Full of self centered entitled, just honestly mean angry people. There's good people too, but there's a character to Phoenix that makes it feel small and yet spread out. In that way there's friendly people but they're spread out.
+--- 2556420
+>>2556328
+>100% car centered city.
+Okay but thats based
+--- 2556432
+>>2556420
+No. It sucks. Phoenix is a gauntlet where you run from air conditioning to air conditioning. That's such a shitty way to live.
+--- 2556461
+>>2556432
+Sounds like a personal problem
+--- 2556809
+>>2546484
+Eminent domain go brrrr
+--- 2556811
+>>2556395
+Time to use his house as a backstop then. While shooting on public land of course
+--- 2556955
+>>2556809
+>the government will try to fight against your right
+...yes? Are you trying to make a point?
+--- 2556956
+>>2556811
+Enjoy your long drop and short stop then i guess
+--- 2556972
+>>2536105 (OP)
+wdym? trespassers get shot all the time, it doesn't make the rounds in propaganda media you call "news" though
+--- 2557250
+>>2556461
+Not really, since people seem to keep dying of exposure even when they were raised in the elements. You know anyone who works at a local hospital? The amount of people who show up with heat stress despite living there is comical.
+--- 2557264
+>>2556972
+In today's liberal society? Nobody gets shot for trespassing anymore. If you did that you would go to prison for life.
+--- 2557511
+>>2557250
+>people seem to keep dying of exposure even when they were raised in the elements.
+Yeah thats literally a personal problem.
+--- 2559420
+>>2557511
+This but unironically
+--- 2560835
+I don't support ranchers because they just further the spic-nig cycle with their beef production.
+--- 2562361
+Y'all need to chill out because the bill died in committee already.
+--- 2564334
+Why not just shoot the ranchers and bury them on thier land and never come back
+--- 2564363
+>>2564334
+Ranchers, being generally productive members of society, cant go missing without someone noticing within 12hr.
+You on the other hand...
+--- 2566145
+>>2562361
+Welp. America was healing...
+--- 2566171
+>>2564363
+>Ranchers, being generally productive members of society
+Fucking lmao.
+--- 2566172
+>>2564363
+>my 2000 cows make America go round I can't wait to sell to a Tyson meat plant
+--- 2566377
+>>2566171
+>>2566172
+Do citytards really?
+--- 2566683
+>>2544857
+Colander?
+--- 2566686
+America should have a right to roam law. It’s kinda cucked that you can’t walk around in your own country.
+--- 2566691
+>>2539888
+This has to be one of the stupidest things to get in an argument, let alone a legal one, that I have seen. This is a 1st grade argument over the rules of Calvinball that somehow got brought into the judicial system.
+--- 2566946
+>>2566683
+Copper sieve
+>cope and seethe
+--- 2566947
+>>2566686
+>having to ask someone to go on their property
+Oh no the horror!
+
+But anyways, theres plenty of public land for you to larp on. Even on the east coast there are town or county owned """state""" parks everywhere.

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+-----
+--- 2537031
+Climb on
+--- 2537037
+got all this for 500 nzd, 71 pieces
+most of it without a scratch on it
+--- 2537055
+>>2537037
+nice score. If you don't already grab a nut tool for when those get welded in place
+--- 2537064
+>>2537031 (OP)
+Is pic related climbable? Maybe too chossy?
+--- 2537066
+>>2537055
+already have one and also find it comes in handy for scraping out moss.
+>>2537064
+the big pile of rubble at the bottom is generally a red flag
+--- 2537068
+i got these 23 cams for 500 from the same guy too.
+was quitting climbing and selling his whole rack.
+had another listing for 4 link cams and 3 other newer ones for 500 but didn't go for that one
+--- 2537077
+>>2537064
+If that is Devil's Tower it is climbable, also looks like a solid crack routes up it. 
+
+>>2537068
+>link cams
+only heard those are a gimmicky and not that practical
+--- 2537078
+>>2537077
+the thing that turned me off them was the rigid stem, not every crack is nice and vertical and having all your weight slam it down over an edge is sus
+--- 2537080
+>>2537077
+>Devil's Tower
+Yeah it is, you're right.
+--- 2537352
+>>2537077
+>only heard those are a gimmicky and not that practical
+Link cams are heavy, single axle, and rigid stem so you wouldn't want a full rack of them. 
+
+They really shine for building gear anchors because they fit anywhere. Most folks I know who have one will bring up either a single red or orange on multi pitch
+--- 2537369
+>>2537037
+>>2537068
+Nice haul
+--- 2537468
+hurt my left ringer finger awhile ago started feeling good enough to climb a little harder, now my right pinky is hurt. fml.
+--- 2537954
+Hopped on the Nightcrawler (5.10+ 5p T) yesterday. This route is SICK! Almost sent it all clean until the real crux on p3 on a mantle ledge and then whipped like 4 times on the p4 laybacks. Hands and fingers were all churned up and bloody. It was a fuckin hoot. Getting more fun to try hard and send or whip; definitely growing as a climber. Maybe a year ago I’d still be a bit spooked to fall on gear. Now we’re rockin and rollin.
+--- 2538053
+If you didn't know climbing was relocated to /xs/.
+If you already knew then gl on your climbs OP.
+--- 2538068
+>>2537954
+>5.10+
+I don't like this kind of vaguery.
+--- 2538069
+>>2538053
+Go on and fondle your plastic.
+--- 2538290
+Anybody ever gone mountaineering? I went once and was bugged that we were "climbing" the mountain but it just felt like a hard hike.
+--- 2538313
+>>2538053
+"I-is that a wooden banana?"
+
+I guess you pretty much have to pull it out at that point.
+--- 2538325
+>>2538068
+I’d say it’s really up in the air. I’d take 5.10c/d or even a soft 11a. Probably easiest to just call it “5.10+” but the best way for you to know is to go climb it :)
+--- 2538326
+>>2538290
+I’d like to go mountaineering, I guess the closest I’ve come is bear creek spire (5.3 alpine romp). I’m sure the bigger game is more mountaineering and technical climbing together. You’re at least out on a mountain!
+--- 2538362
+>>2538053
+But we go outside here
+--- 2538767
+>>2538290
+Not yet but that is the goal. I've done a few mountain hikes but have yet to have a true alpine experience. Winter skills and avalanche training will be necessary to make it as a mountaineer though
+--- 2538775
+whats the best state for a climber?
+--- 2538782
+>>2538775
+stoked
+--- 2539068
+Should I cut the cable on my picket?
+--- 2539071
+>>2538362
+Five years ago, sure. But this is nu-out now. It was over as soon as /out/ gave the archery, mountaineering, and climbing threads to /xs/.
+--- 2539231
+post gear
+--- 2539338
+>>2539231
+How do you like those crack gloves? I'm trying to learn and the cracks out here can be grainy and quite painful.
+--- 2539459
+>>2537954
+Nice work my man. Gettin real jelly of all you manage to get up to.
+--- 2539499
+>>2539459
+Thanks bruh come out to Vegas and let’s climb sometime :D
+
+>>2539231
+I’ve got my ropes helmet and harnesses below this but I’m not letting you see the mess that is my room rn (I only clean it when babes come over, which is never)
+--- 2539659
+>>2539338
+The velcro strap is kind of annoying because you have to bend the rubber up and on cold days it doesn't want to cooperate. Otherwise, really solid glove stays in place, and just feels bomber. It does make your hand bigger so some jams you might not be able to get as deep as you would gloveless , and sometimes getting chalk is a hassle. 4/5
+--- 2539661
+>>2539499
+how do you feel about finger cracks?
+--- 2539671
+>>2539661
+Not too bad but sometimes not my favorite. Best is hand cracks… I imagine going to Mt. Olympus to climb 3000ft splitter hand cracks is what a climbers soul gets to enjoy when they pass on.
+--- 2539682
+>>2539671
+I ask because of the lonely blue totem up there lol
+--- 2540074
+>>2539071
+maybe because it's not an outdoor lifestyle thing and more sport
+--- 2540075
+>>2540074
+Brainlet take
+--- 2540080
+>>2540075
+could you live on a difficult inaccessible part of a mountain and do this to carry your supplies because i'd like to do that but you probably can't
+--- 2540107
+Had kind of a crappy day testing out a new solo toprope setup, which is buggy, my pants were kind of thin and kept getting grabbed by the micro traxion(luckily it was the backup so I could unweight it easily). I did find a consolation prize of two well used cams so that was nice, who the hell leaves their anchors behind?
+
+>>2539659
+Thanks for the feedback, I have thin, bony hands and tape doesn't always cut it.
+--- 2540124
+>>2540107
+>new solo toprope setup
+What was the setup? pic related is what i do usually
+--- 2540162
+>>2540124
+First I'm trying a single strand of rope, for the simplicity, then I'm using a roll-n-lock on the chest harness(up high like you have it) and the microtrax hanging from the waist on a short extension The greater distance between the devices makes it easier to ascend/descend with an aider but it also interferes with my legs so I'll have to keep it close like you have that black device, btw what is that? Also there were problems with the chest harness, one of which you have solved by having it straddle the micro trax like that. I'm also curious how you are wearing it, mine is awkward and yours probably is better.
+--- 2540191
+>>2540162
+The lower device is just a grigri as backup and so I don't have to change devices to lower myself. The chest harness is a 120cm sling with a twist in it for each arm and then overhand knots on sides to take up slack and keep the microtrax upright.
+--- 2540389
+>>2540191
+Yes I remember now from a previous post you made. I need to get a gri gri and that's a big advantage of two ropes although it looks like it adds some drag to the system. Next time out I'm going to try a single rope but with a TAZ Lov device up high which has very little drag so I can lower quickly without having to unweight anything or add something else. 
+Have you tried solo lead yet? That's something I'm eager to do.
+--- 2540662
+>>2540389
+The grigri does add some drag, but it doesn't drag me like getting short roped would, it just doesn't feed through the device on it's own. If the route was longer I'd go single strand Y hang but it's pretty short so I just do a super 8 anchor. I'd love to try a TAZ Lov but it's pretty spendy for me to justify purchasing. I haven't tried lead solo yet but it's definitely on my radar, I got "Me, Myself & I: The dark arts of big wall soloing by Andy Kirkpatrick" to read and also a nice pdf I'm trying to link but 4chan thinks its spam
+--- 2541096
+>>2540662
+Thanks for the tip on the book. I did the first test of single rope and TAZ Lov rig today on a vertical face.
+My foot slipped while getting into a lieback over a small roof, totally unexpected and a free fall, it worked great and it was easy to just lower down and start again. There are some issues with it that you need to be aware of and compensate for before using it, having to do with lowering and also triggering the mechanism quickly, but overall I'm happy with it. Have fun out there.
+--- 2541159
+>>2541096
+lets see if this works because outside of watching a lot of videos this is the most info about rope soloing on sport routes. 
+
+>https://andreacalligaris.netsons.org/works/climbing-manuals
+--- 2541185
+>>2541159
+Very cool, thanks!
+--- 2541925
+52 is a ripe old age for a wall pirate… Rest in Power Ammon McNeely
+--- 2542355
+Why is this thread so slow, even for /out/? I know what will get some responses: I baton with pic related
+--- 2542361
+>>2537077
+>>2537064
+Devils Tower is one of the best crack climbing spots in the world. Climbed the Durrance Route back in 2020, shit was the tits but it gets crowded. We started before sunrise, got to watch the rising sun burn the mist off the plains around the Belle Fourche River. Sounds of the cows mooing wafting up the tower. On the way down we rapped past a guided party, two sixty year old boomers with their 20s guide. "COME ON LARRY JUST PUT YOUR FOOT UP A FOOT COME ON COME ON" with close to forty people waiting for Larry to get to the ledge so they could pass them. Glad we got there early
+--- 2542364
+>>2542361
+Sounds like an amazing day. That guide probably should have given Larry some mechanical advantage
+--- 2542513
+i found 2 really sick boulders accidentally while looking for a campsite, they look like the best in the area when comparing to all the ones i find online, gotta think up names for them and tell my friends :)
+--- 2542659
+>>2542355
+oh look, an overpriced pocket knife
+--- 2542849
+>>2542659
+What's your climbing knife of choice?
+--- 2542883
+>>2542849
+I keep a mora handy for clearing brush or general debris and I keep a Kershaw on cord clipped to my harness. I am a poorfag lol
+--- 2542916
+>>2542883
+>I keep a Kershaw on cord clipped to my harness
+if it works it works, I do have the petzl knife but I also get prodeals so it's less expensive and use it mostly for snacks lol
+--- 2542925
+>>2542659
+--- 2543576
+>>2542355
+Great knife, cuts tomatoes like a charm
+--- 2543690
+>>2538069
+I've climbing more rock than you have sucked cock, i live in Font.
+--- 2543839
+>>2543690
+>I've climbing more rock than you have sucked cock, i live in Font.
+>/xs/
+sure lmao
+--- 2543850
+>>2537037
+You fuckers shitting up the mountain sides and leaving your fucking anchors behinds should be shot
+--- 2544041
+>>2543850
+Where are you hiking that you even see anchors?(I'm assuming you aren't a climber)
+--- 2544047
+>>2544041
+NTA but the fact that you've never seen an anchor left behind makes me think you don't climb at all.
+--- 2544061
+>>2544047
+I've seen them left behind because I do climb and usually you can't see them unless you are climbing, which is why I'm asking. It's not like the side of a mountain is easily accessible
+--- 2544071
+>>2544047
+Also how does my question = I've never seen an anchor? Don't be such a fag anon.
+--- 2544368
+>>2543850
+I clean up old and worn out tats I find cause that's the right thing to do
+--- 2545889
+>>2542355
+One reason is because it wasn't linked in the last thread, and the name was changed to Climb General instead of Climbing General. I got lost for a while.
+--- 2545913
+>>2539231
+How did u put the mount on that hlmet
+--- 2545946
+How many of you train fingers? I hurt a pulley got the third time in 2 years and I can only climb v6/5.11. I'm getting this feeling like I'm doing shit wrong when my friends are doing the same and harder shit no injuries. But they "just climb"
+--- 2545962
+>>2545946
+I'm stuck at that plateau and easing into 30min hangboard sessions to get past it, haven't had an injury yet knock on wood
+Also you may be getting injured from projecting too often, mix in some easier endurance days and do prehab/rehab on that finger
+--- 2545975
+>>2545946
+Are you fat? Maybe try being less fat
+--- 2545986
+>>2545962
+Not him but what can you hang on, and how long? Are you as good on slopers as you are crimps?
+--- 2546023
+>>2545986
+Idk my max, I do sets of 10 second hangs on 20 and 15mm
+And slightly better on crimps
+--- 2546100
+>>2545962
+Going to start hangboarding regardless to just see what happens. Plenty of injury recovery plans out there to follow. Glad to hear someone's thinking about it.
+
+>>2545975
+I'm 6' 170lbs
+--- 2546101
+should i buy shoes even if im pretty new if i want to climb outside early? want to get more into crack climbing and my gym dosent have anything to simulate it while there are crack boulders near me outside
+--- 2546125
+>>2545889
+This place is a ghost town, usually there would be a new one a day after the old thread archives but /out/ is the forgotten board of some mod
+--- 2546126
+>>2545913
+cleaned with alcohol then attached the included mount. It's just glue but it's been solid.
+--- 2546129
+>>2546101
+>should i buy shoes even if im pretty new if i want to climb outside early?
+Yes, I learned outside then climbed at gyms, you can climb outside whenever you want. If you are bouldering I'd get a crash pad, usually someone has one they don't use and want to get rid off on offerup or FB market.
+--- 2546940
+>>2545946
+Just climb. If your fingies hurt, use the rice bucket.
+
+Training for climbing defeats the purpose for me it's supposed to be fun. I lead 5.10 sport outside v3 boulders 5.6 trad and that's good enough for me. 
+
+Recognize your physical limitations - the average person can climb 5.12/v7 if they train, but that's about it. If you're not genetically gifted to climb, don't bang your head against a wall. Climbing is just a farce anyway.
+--- 2547081
+>>2546940
+Climbing hard is fun for me, I like to train to get stronger so I can climb harder(more fun) things.
+--- 2547082
+>>2546100
+Eat a sandwich or ten, you spooky doot doot motherfucker
+--- 2547157
+>>2547081
+No matter what level you're at, there's a hard climb available, so i don't see your point.
+--- 2547171
+>>2547157
+>climbing is about fun
+>climbing hard is fun
+>no not like that 
+
+You probably haven't reached your physical limit on climbing but seems like you've mentally stopped yourself. Of course there will always be a hard climb available, don't you see the thrill in that, that's what we train for. If you climb at a popular crag you will also note that there usually isn't a line for the 5.13
+--- 2547200
+i just jump off stuff/things
+--- 2547274
+>>2545889
+You climb in Vegas often?
+--- 2547365
+>>2547274
+I was there for the first time ever in January and it rained the whole time. We climbed limestone.
+
+I'll definitely be back.
+--- 2547370
+Vegas or Reno? I was thinking about moving out for the climbing and I hear the hospitality industry has a strong union out there.
+--- 2547512
+>>2547171
+Hard is just relative to your skill level. You're just ego climbing
+--- 2547515
+>>2547200
+You mean you rappel off things. Dan Osman jumped off things :)
+--- 2547544
+>>2547515
+>AcHktUaLLY
+breh.
+--- 2547801
+>battle through my severe anxiety and depression to finally do something interesting with my life
+>really want to get into rock climbing
+>sign up at my local climbing gym
+>third day 
+>me walking around looking for something to climb
+>cute fit girl starts eyeing me
+>legit juicy butt cute face and tight body
+>ignore
+>keeps coming near me when I'm climbing something
+>starts bouldering difficult routes in front of me while I'm sitting on the mats (I think this is normal while bouldering)
+>I go drink water and she's also going to her backpack to get water and is sitting like 2 feet away from me
+>I start packing up to go home and she starts stretching and doing yoga in front of me (not even 5 feet away)
+
+I know climbers are friendly but fuck, I just want to be alone. I doubt she likes me or something, it's just so uncomfortable having a girl of that caliber showing off her body that close to me.
+--- 2547805
+absolutely godawful post anon, keep it up
+--- 2547815
+>come to /out/
+>glamping threads
+>climbing threads showing gear
+what happened
+--- 2547816
+>>2547512
+whatever makes you feel better man, just don't limit others because you've limited yourself.
+--- 2547841
+>>2547801
+you should continue to post for attention here and fuck your life up more
+--- 2547950
+>>2547816
+I'm not discouraging you from training, i just think it's boring as shit. If you want to grind all the time like Andrew Tate or something that's fine, but the best climber is the one having the most fun.
+--- 2548272
+>>2547950
+>the best climber is the one having the most fun.
+
+at least we can agree on that
+--- 2548281
+>>2542659
+aren't those like $40?
+--- 2549091
+I want to get into canyoneering and someone told me to self teach. I have practically 0 climbing experience, only really familiar with rappelling on a rescue 8. I've got 200 feet of dynamic rope, some 1" webbing carabiners, and a couple locking carabiners. I know I need a bunch of other shit but I have no clue where to start and have no friends who climb
+
+Im also terrified of falling to my death by self teaching. Any tips on where to start?
+--- 2549156
+Anyone going to the red in March? Going March 17-19, wonder if I’ll see any of you fuckers at Miguels
+--- 2549298
+>>2549091
+>I want to get into canyoneering and someone told me to self teach. I have practically 0 climbing experience, only really familiar with rappelling on a rescue 8. I've got 200 feet of dynamic rope, some 1" webbing carabiners, and a couple locking carabiners. I know I need a bunch of other shit but I have no clue where to start and have no friends who climb
+
+>Im also terrified of falling to my death by self teaching. Any tips on where to start?
+
+Excellent life choice anon, canyoning is rad.
+Where do you live? Do you want to get into Swiftwater wet canyons or dry slotty canyons? Based on you calling it 'canyoneering' I'm guessing southwest USA so dry canyons. This will determine the type of techniques and gear you need to acquire and learn, there is some crossover but also some differences.
+>Dynamic rope
+No
+>Fig8 rapping
+Yes
+>Carabiners
+Yes
+>Webbing
+Yes
+Honestly anon your best move is to find a professional guide/instructor or a group of experienced competent canyoners who would be willing for you to tag along and learn from them. To not be a liability/passenger in a canyon skills/experience you will need: anchor finding and building, both natural (trees, boulders, cracks etc) and bolts (often sketchy), rope management and rappel rigging for both raising and lowering a stuck rappeller, single and double rope ascent techniques, rappelling on often very slippery surfaces, sometimes directly in the flow of powerful waterfalls, whitewater swimming techniques, jumping + sliding in to water from 5m+ heights, climbing to reach anchors with minimal protection and lots of exposure, downclimbing with consequential falls, off track navigation. It's very much a team sport so learning by yourself will be tricky and limiting.
+All that said though, the combination of all of those skills/requirements means it's a rad sport and extremely fun.
+I rappelled this 75m waterfall recently. The fall line goes right though the main flow. It was super intense and awesome.
+--- 2549299
+>>2549091
+>>2549298
+t. NZ canyoner, got into the sport from climbing/hiking/whitewater kayak background
+--- 2549303
+>>2549299
+Another pic from most recent trip
+--- 2549326
+>>2549298
+I'm in Tucson, AZ. Tho I'm moving to Phoenix in a few months when I graduate.
+
+Is dynamic really that bad? I've been told and understand that static is better if you're primarily rapping though everything I find online says dynamic is fine. What should I do with this rope if not? It's brand new never been used Sterling 9.8mm. Admittedly, my dad brought all this shit out last year for a camping trip to Southern Utah as a "just in case" and just left it all with me. But I'm not gonna complain too much about free rope, could I find a local place to possibly trade it for some shit/static I need?
+
+Not really looking for a whole lot of swimming yet, though I'm fine with wading as long as I can mostly touch the bottom. We hiked Golden Cathedral last year and my bucket list is to do Neon Canyon for the final rappel through the roof
+
+We've got a climbing gym here in town and I want to ask them for direction for finding canyoneering people, but I feel like they're just gonna sell me a membership and then never point me in the right direction/introduce me to people. Literally the only experience I have is rapping on rescue 8s when I got a crash course in it as a firefighter over a decade ago, but I've seen enough YouTube videos to confidently kill myself.
+
+I'll probably pay the $250 for the half day guided trip just so I can meet someone who also does it
+--- 2549360
+>>2549326
+Cool. You can rap on a dynamic rope but all the bouncing when rapping sucks and if you're in a soft rock canyon it will rapidly cut grooves into the rock and will also wear though the sheath which then ruins the rope. Pulling down a dynamic rope from a big pitch also sucks especially if it's a hard pull down or there are lots of potential snags. All your effort just goes to stretching the rope instead of actually getting it down.
+
+Check out www.canyoncollective.com they have a decent forum on there with mostly SW USA based canyoneers. There are lots of grumpy old men but they know their shit and you may find someone willing to let you tag along on a trip. You'll need a harness, double cowstail lanyard, several carabiners and rappel device, helmet, sturdy backpack as a minimum to join a group on a trip. There are bound to be Facebook canyoneer groups too which you can probably find a group willing to let you join a trip.
+--- 2549617
+>>2549091
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejAH0rHwB34 [Embed]
+
+Wouldn't be a bad start as far as gear goes, maybe see if a local climbing club has a canyon course. Climbing gyms also have bulletin boards you can check out and FB as well. Static ropes are like a third the price of dynamic ropes, the one you have sounds really good tho I'd hold onto it and try to get into climbing as well, a lot of the same skills overlap between the two
+--- 2549703
+Weather has been so fucking ass here in Vegas but it’s clearing up. Gonna hit up winter heat wall to do “Couldn’t be Schmooter” and “High Class Ho.” Tomorrow I’m taking a buddy up Jackass Flats and hopefully Diet Delight, too. Excited to get back out there, need to give snowboarding a few days break haha. Hope y’all have been sending.
+--- 2549706
+>>2547370
+Vegas is infinitely better than Reno except for the proximity to Tahoe, truckee and donner. Besides that, Reno is a shithole that reminds me of jail.
+--- 2549888
+>>2549360
+>>2549326
+learn how to rotate ur images
+--- 2549923
+>>2538290
+I've walked and scrambled up plenty of mountains but nothing near me really requires any technical skill to climb, I'd like to do some proper mountaineering but I'd need to travel abroad for it.
+--- 2550088
+>>2549923
+do your mountains have snow?
+--- 2550159
+>>2550088
+Only in winter, none of them are very high up.
+--- 2550395
+>>2549888
+it was rotated when I looked at it before posting ;_; 
+Here's a different trip where we were practice rigging a Tyrolean traverse
+--- 2551030
+>>2550395
+>practice rigging a Tyrolean traverse
+Any good info on how to rig one? i've tried looking them up and just see people using them but not rigging them. pic related is what I'd like to do in order to avoid the hike lol
+--- 2551060
+>>2551030
+Anon, I think you'll still need someone to make the hike to the other side first
+--- 2551576
+>>2551060
+I mean on the descent after topping out. Now any suggestions?
+--- 2551690
+>>2547370
+>Reno
+>indoor climbing gyms
+
+>Las Vegas 
+>world famous climbing twenty minutes north of the city 
+
+It's a difficult choice.
+--- 2552030
+>>2551690
+but isn't reno cheaper to live?
+--- 2552073
+>>2552030
+>>2547370
+If you wanna live in NV live in Vegas it's the only non-shithole in that entire blasted state
+--- 2552076
+>>2549706
+To say Vegas is a slightly better shithole is more accurate. But if variety in your climbing is a goal, Reno hands down. >Year round climbing that’s not a million degrees.
+>Yosemite to Tahoe (Eastside, Cal Domes, North/South Lake, High Sierra in between) all within 3 hours. 
+Not a hard decision.
+--- 2552224
+Do any of you guys do rope access work? I was thinking about getting qualified since it seems like a decent excuse to work outdoors and travel on the job.
+--- 2552473
+>>2549303
+just walk up the side you fucking retard
+--- 2552474
+>>2549703
+faggots like you who bring their poor dogs up to places like this unironically need to get killed. kill yourself manlet/twink.
+--- 2552476
+At first, when I started doing some indoor climbing in college at the rec center to work on forearm strength/hit on the weird sluts there, I didn't understand why it is full of weird little turbo manlets and extreme lanklets. But then I realized it is one of the "sports" designed just for you and your unfortunate bodies. Keep acting like weirdos you autistic fuckers
+--- 2552493
+>>2552476
+lmao anybody can climb there is no limiting factor except whatever limits you put on yourself. nice cope tho
+--- 2552495
+>>2551030
+Canyon rigging for a Tyrolean may different to climbing because we always have to be able to retrieve from the bottom. Basically though - first person raps normally and finds bottom anchor point. Seconder then block the rope at halfway against the anchor ring at the top of the pitch with a clove hitched biner or similar. Bottom rigger then tensions up with a figure 8 in self locking mode and a 3:1 on the tail with ascender/tibloc as rope grab. Then seconder + others can slide down the taut line on a biner or pulley with the loose side of the rope running through their belay device to control speed. Once everyone is down the pitch, release tension on the locked figure 8 and remove from rope. Then pull down the other loose rope end which was blocked against th anchor. You should have all your gear at the base of the pitch ready to move to the next. Hopefully that made sense I don't have any detailed pics or vids of rigging one up
+--- 2552508
+>>2552495
+>Bottom rigger then tensions up with a figure 8 in self locking mode and a 3:1 on the tail with ascender/tibloc as rope grab
+It all makes sense I just set up a little mock up in my room except what is the rope grab attached to that's on the tail. 
+
+I'd like to do it to get from one side to another at the same height. In climbing there would probably be bolts and rings I could thread the rope through so I wouldn't need a biner block, but I would need to have one side anchored in and then figure out how to tension the rope.
+--- 2552892
+Anyone here familiar with climbing in Kentucky? How is Red River gorge?
+--- 2553087
+>>2552474
+There’s a ramp literally to the right that bypasses the entire first pitch lol. The dog walked up it and I clipped him to some ancient chains on a ledge. Sorry my 5.dog buddy climbs harder than you
+--- 2553132
+I need to buy gear for outdoor climbing, tired of having to bum off of friends. What rope to buy? I want to do mostly single pitch, but also some multi pitch and mountaineering with glacier crossings. Can one rope do it all, or do I have to drop half a salary on 3 different ropes? I was hoping I could buy something like a 9.5mm 70m single rope and call it a day. Thoughts?
+--- 2553180
+>>2553132
+>9.5mm 70m single rope
+Get it dry treated and you're good to go. Might get a little cumbersome on mountaineering trips but otherwise solid choice.
+--- 2553275
+>>2552892
+It's the best sport climbing area in the entire United States
+--- 2553289
+Anyone else here exclusively use chains?
+--- 2553516
+>>2553180
+Yeah that's what I was thinking. Probably suboptimal for some applications but fuck buying 15 different ropes
+--- 2553656
+>>2539231
+--- 2553660
+Heading to S AZ to try to catch the last of the cool weather. Better late than never. Hopefully find some nice walls before it gets too warm
+--- 2553662
+>>2553132
+you will hate yourself bringing a huge rope like that for glacier travel
+--- 2553681
+Can I climb by myself with a rope? I want to start climbing but I'm too autistic to socialize and would like to climb by myself. Is it possible? I don't want to climb completely ropeless, I want to still be able to use my gear, but just not have someone with me. Is it possible, bros?
+--- 2553766
+So, Bosi has gotten a head start on the illusive finnish autism test piece. Who will be next to join the struggle?
+--- 2553790
+>>2553766
+Hard to imagine anyone else with the self-hatred to get on this miserable rock. I think he's been working the indoor replica with Stefano Ghisolfi though.
+
+>>2553681
+If you don't know the answer, then No.
+--- 2553832
+>>2553790
+Yeah, Aidan Roberts probably scanned the holds just to satisfy his board climbing fetish I'm sure.
+--- 2553848
+>>2553662
+what's your typical glacier travel rope?
+--- 2554022
+>>2553848
+I use a 50m beal opera, even that is kinda overkill. A lot of people will just use a 30m rope.
+--- 2554120
+>>2553766
+Every day we stray further from nalles light
+--- 2554129
+>>2553766
+Pebble wrestling autism never ceases to amaze
+--- 2554168
+>>2554120
+Amen, brother. Dark times. Next step is to build a large tent/light warehouse around a boulder to negate weather.
+--- 2554183
+>>2554168
+Haha, yeah...
+--- 2554202
+>>2553681
+So you haven't started climbing yet but want to jump into the most niche and complicated style of climbing? Just go boulder if you want to climb alone
+--- 2555829
+bump
+--- 2555870
+>>2552493
+>manlets and lanklets
+>posts the ultimate lanklet
+She cut mass on her legs for extra reach.
+--- 2555884
+>>2555870
+>ultimate lanklet
+That would be KD
+
+Just because you are shaped like a fridge doesn't mean you can't climb, nice cope tho
+--- 2555887
+any other tower dogs?
+--- 2556136
+>>2555884
+Guy in your pic is cancer I hope that's not you
+--- 2556180
+>>2555884
+>>2556136
+
+A better role model for the more stout among us would be John Dunne, the fat crusher. Watch Hard Grit if you haven’t, it’s great.
+--- 2556230
+>>2556050
+If you do them in the summer, they are all just hikes, nothing above class 4.
+--- 2556522
+>>2556180
+>>2556136
+Point is anyone can climb. The original anon probably thinks the only reason he can't climb the nose is because he isn't as small as Lynn Hill or he his pointer finger is weighing him down
+--- 2556561
+>>2549156
+No I'm going at the end of may. How was it?
+--- 2557056
+There's so little interest in the rock itself from rockclimbers.
+There's still no good reason explaining the reason for the different features on different rock types, or within the same rocktype (e.g. why's sandstone in tennessee so different from the one in font?), etc.
+Sure, I don't expect pros to be interested in anything other than pulling hard (and solar panels) but with the amount of nerds into the sport, I'd think we'd have a fair amount of resources on the subject.
+--- 2557068
+>>2557056
+Yeah, everytime I start nerding about rock types and rock quality I can see the fellow climbers get that glazed look like they are somewhere else. I fucking love that shit, it's so facinating what mother nature has created through rather violent means.
+--- 2557453
+anyone have experience climbing in serbia, specifically around belgrade? thinking of taking a contract to work there this summer. gym recs would be good too looks like they got a couple nice ones in the city
+--- 2557601
+Any of you spergs from Boulder? Headed out there in a week or so and want to know what's good and if it will be covered in fucking snow or not.
+--- 2557610
+should I try Burden of Dreams?
+I'm pretty autistic, and pretty sure I'm better than any britbong out there.
+--- 2557671
+>>2557056
+The differences in granite all throughout California is fascinating. Yosemite and shuteye are right next to each other and one is all cracks and slab and the other is these huge patina plates. Same with Mt woodson granite vs black mountain in so Cal. I would love to read about why but can't find resources
+--- 2557692
+>>2553656
+Love those giant cams. What am I looking at here, some kind of funky belay device?
+--- 2557698
+>>2557692
+forgot the pic related
+--- 2557714
+buying rope for my first outdoor climbs (TR)
+
+what length/width should I get?
+--- 2557719
+Anyone climbed at vedauwoo in WY before? Any decent top rope routes to recommend?
+--- 2557722
+Remember when mountainproject was cool? Burchey was a funny motherfucker.
+--- 2557751
+>>2557692
+I'm climbing new routes in Cochise. There is a green cinch in that stash
+--- 2557753
+>>2557722
+MP was never cool. RC.com used to be
+--- 2557784
+>>2537031 (OP)
+When I see chalk on rock I take out my hammer and go to work
+There's nothing you can do to stop me you Filthy city dwellers shitting up my rural mountains with pot head dirtbags and yuppie liberals.
+--- 2557800
+>>2557753
+Some of the megathreads on Supertopo were quite entertaining. Valley climbers would throw blows over the removal/replacement of a rusty 1/4" expansion bolt, or yo-yoing, or using a stick clip on aid routes.
+--- 2557930
+>>2557056
+There’s plenty of geology in the old school resources. I even became a geologist (graduate this semester!) because of climbing. One of my old professors was a valley rat in the 70s too. A lot of folks are just there because it’s the hip new way to be outdoors. Some people genuinely just don’t care, and are in it for the upvotes or something. Oh well, more rock for me to ponder on.
+--- 2558249
+>>2557784
+I've lately seens this retarded trolling multiple times in different places. Either it's one autist looking for attention or some group of losers think they are edgy.
+--- 2558283
+>>2558249
+edginess aside his point is valid, climbers have become consoomers
+--- 2558428
+>>2557930
+What's your favorite rock type and why?
+--- 2558576
+>>2555887
+Fuck yeah
+
+Georgia Southern Cross in Atl and another out of Lincoln, Nebraska called Capital Tower.
+
+Fucking love to paint them ...... big mitten in one hand, Petzl Stop in the other on the handle brake....3 gal on my hip.....
+
+Nothing beats that job in the world....Builds are fun and simple....antenna mounts are a bitch to lift to the apex of a Self-Supported Tower, but rigging coax is certainly a beastly gig.
+
+You know this is the best employment ever for a climber....beats any ground work around.
+
+My first test climb was over 1000' on the top of the steel of the Nations Bank building in Atl.....the biggest building in the Southeast.
+
+Got to hit the ladder up to the gold flake covered lightning rod pillar on top....fucking amazing job but they get some pretty awnry guys on the gigs sometimes....
+
+Those companies I worked for before the regulations got too stiff and climbing harnesses were thrown out for the shitty cant-self-rescue-full body harnesses that leave you dangling like an idiot if you lose your footing....
+
+One slip and they have to call in a rescue team....we all agreed to throw them out for Petzl Navajos and Black Diamond Bod harnesses.
+
+There were a ton of climbers with us but also road dogs that were just fearless and after high paying work...can't blame them.
+
+Watching 250 lb guys try to ladder all day was kinda funny as I was in at 180 max.
+--- 2558729
+>>2558576
+Based retard
+--- 2558868
+>>2558283
+What you said and what >>2557784
+anon said don't connect at all, get some reading comprehension
+--- 2559066
+>>2557453
+Central Serbia is not the best location for climbing, but surprisingly, there are a few "crags" inside Belgrade
+https://serbianclimbing.com/penjalista/prirodna/
+--- 2559097
+>tfw no "ALLEZ AMORE!!"
+--- 2559325
+>>2558428
+Probably sandstone at this point. It’s what I mostly climb on and it holds a lot of data in regards to zircons, dating, sedimentation rates, etc. The structures it makes are beautiful too. Love a good desert tower or big wall. I do love some good alpine granite though, that shit is just plain badass.
+--- 2559384
+>>2540124
+>>2541159
+thanks for the info. is it necessary to use the Micro Traxion, or will any simple pulley do? if i understood correctly the purpose is to manage rope slack only
+--- 2559557
+>>2559384
+>is it necessary to use the Micro Traxion, or will any simple pulley do? if i understood correctly the purpose is to manage rope slack only
+
+It's purpose is to capture your progress as you climb. Its a one way entrance for the rope so if you were to fall it'd be the same as falling on TR. You wouldn't want to use a simple pulley because it won't stop the rope from flying through the device. I like the micro traxion because it's familiar but any progress capture pulley/ascender would work. I've heard good stuff about the Roll n Lock from CT and the Taz LOV2
+--- 2559558
+>>2537954
+I was interested in picking up the hobby but do crackers turn into niggas after they start climbin' ?
+--- 2559800
+is 27crags worth it?
+Was looking for a topo of Alcaniz and got scammed into buying "boulder en espana", which only has a shitty 4 page overview of the area and also it's all in spanish...
+--- 2560126
+>>2559800
+It's very convenient but I live in Finland. 27crags is a finnish company and started here so it covers most of the stuff you'll find here. The general atmosphere towards accuracy also means you don't have to second-guess when you get to the crag.
+--- 2560742
+i really hate that my local climbing club paints the topo locations on the rock itself, i dont see the point when they release the topos for free online for most crags too
+--- 2560744
+>>2560706
+where's the tarp?
+--- 2560902
+>>2560744
+Hope somebody cleaned that shit away. Usually when you run into tarp contraption in a forest there's a drunken hobo around somewhere.
+--- 2560958
+>>2553681
+bouldering then free solo
+--- 2561489
+Anyone know where I can watch Hard Grit (1998)? or should i just buy the DVD?
+--- 2561737
+>>2550395
+4chan removes exif data on posting, which includes the rotation data. rotate, then crop.
+>>2553660
+west Cochise Stronghold seems to be the go-to for out-of-towners but Mt. Lemmon has year round climbing.
+--- 2562727
+>10 mins by bike to good crag
+>10 mins by bike to climbing gym
+Nice. crag has very short walls though, 10-15m but good routes and cracks
+--- 2564449
+anyone projecting anything fun this spring? it wont stop snowing here
+--- 2564887
+are there any alternatives to thecrag.com that don't require you to login? and that let you download the pictures and routes
+--- 2564958
+>>2538313
+>n-no! Its a promise!
+[Autistic reeeeing]
+--- 2565203
+>>2557714
+60m 9.6-10mm
+--- 2565228
+>>2564449
+Nothing. It won't stop raining here
+--- 2565348
+Are there brands of rock climbing shoe to avoid?
+--- 2565448
+Having trouble with skin. Using antihydral seems to just build up an additional layer over the top instead of actually thickening it? Any tips?
+
+>>2564887
+mountain project?
+--- 2565526
+I can just go to a climbing gym and start with bouldering right? I don't need any training until I do shit with belays or whatever right?
+--- 2565534
+>>2565526
+yup simple as that. If by training you mean like learning how to use the belay devices/rope than yeah you don't need to know that for bouldering.
+--- 2565696
+>>2565448
+>mountain project?
+thanks i like that site much better, but apparently nobody uses it in my country, it has very few routes. i think i will spend some money on a book
+--- 2566206
+>>2565696
+>i think i will spend some money on a book
+yeah thats much better than buying a subscription for topos like 27crags since it supports the guys that maintain the crags too
+--- 2566255
+next piece of gear i want to buy is thin rope (don't know the name in english), the kind you use to make prusiks or machards. my understanding is that it's supposed to be thin but not very much, at least 6mm, is this correct?
+
+should this kind of rope be static, or dynamic? i hear that people also use it in mountaneering, but i it only for rappel? if so it should be static, right? any info about all of this in general would be helpful
+--- 2566280
+>>2566255
+Here it's called cordelette or accessory cord
+For friction hitches it should be ~3mm smaller diameter than the climbing rope
+7mm is most common and can also be used for anchors or whatever you want really
+Usually sold by the foot or 30ft lengths in the US, not sure how you guys do it in metric lol
+--- 2566281
+>>2566255
+Some 6mm cord should do you just fine for this purpose, I use this one and it’s fine for anchors, PAS and prussik
+--- 2567242
+Making some heavy moves towards going outdoors with my climbs, primarily top rope on natural and bolt anchors. I'll be out at Joshua Tree in a few weeks so looking to shore up gaps in knowledge before then. 
+
+I have a question about setting up a quad on bolts for TR. Is a single bowline + runner + stopper knot sufficient to safely approach the bolts and continue with set-up? I've anchored into the single bowline when the second anchor point wasn't in within a safe distance and to the double bowline when they were safely away from the cliff (both for setting up natural anchors) but I imagine the bolts could vary in accessibility. Should I play it safe and just do two anchor points and hook into the double bowline just for safety? If it's not clear, this is all in reference to safely approaching bolts to set up a quad for TR.
+--- 2567269
+3 years of autobelay and top rope falls has caused some fraying on my harnesses waist strap
+Should I worry yet?
+--- 2567356
+>>2567242
+J Tree is gonna be hot as FUCK and I have no idea what you are talking about. Just do pic related if you’re gonna do a quad. For TR set ups I would just make a normal overhand as your master point, throw a locker or 2 in and go. Can you maybe use English or draw me a picture? I can help you further if I understand just what the fuck you’re saying.
+
+Also: http://multipitchclimbing.com/
+--- 2567366
+>>2567242
+I haven't been but j tree is a bad place to do what you described, as there aren't many natural features on the top outs
+Here's a pic of where they recommend beginners go, and idk what you would tie off to unless you build an anchor with cams
+Maybe crawl on your stomach or pay someone a couple bucks to set it up for you
+--- 2567367
+>>2567269
+You should get a new one soon. I was in the same place about 6 months back and the belay loop gave out almost entirely when I took a fall on autobelay. If it’s been three years you’ve probably gotten your money’s worth easy
+--- 2567368
+>>2567356
+
+Alright, let me put it more simply. I've never set up a quad before for TR, only natural anchors. You can tether into your anchors as you set up so you can safely approach the edge and send down your rope. where do you tether for setting up a quad? Where are those bolts typically located? Over the edge? Right at the top? How do I safely approach? 
+
+also is pic related fine for a quad?
+--- 2567383
+>>2567368
+Most people scoot or crawl to the bolts with no tether 
+They are usually in a relatively safe spot if they were bolted with top roping in mind which you will have to research and find out which ones are beforehand
+You pic is fine and you should connect the ends with a double fisherman's knot
+--- 2567420
+>>2567368
+Just slap your PAS into the bolt hanger and put your anchor on the bolt. Connect the bolts. Connect a sling to you and then to the anchor. Move the PAS (if you want). Continue setting up the anchor.
+--- 2567432
+>>2567368
+Sometimes the bolts aren't set up for TR and in that case you'll have to either down climb with a belay, be lowered, or rap to the bolts. If this is the case you'll most likely find rings or quick links on the bolts; try like hell not to TR on these. Use leaver biners instead of a quad if you think it'll be a major hassle to get to the anchor, i.e., nobody in your party can do the climb and you don't have the time to climb around to the top and repeat the down climb/lowering/rap process. Or just use a shit ton of webbing or another rope to extend a natural anchor over the edge.
+--- 2567440
+>>2567368
+>also is pic related fine for a quad?
+it is but it's also cumbersome, a 240cm sling like >>2567356 is easier to deploy
+--- 2567462
+>>2567368
+just rap off a natural anchor (tree, BIG rock) to the real anchor, clip your PAS to the anchor, then proceed to build your quad/whatever and put your rope trough it.
+
+Let Bob tell you more:
+https://youtu.be/uskPB6m6ybU [Embed]
+--- 2567514
+Climbing?
+--- 2567515
+>>2567514
+Climbing!
+--- 2567591
+He sent it boyos
+--- 2567592
+>>2567462
+>>2567440
+>>2567432
+>>2567420
+>>2567383
+
+thank you based anons if I am alive I'll post photos
+--- 2567648
+>>2554120
+Elaborate.
+--- 2567657
+>>2567648
+Nalle sent it the ol fashioned way
+Will sent it after training on a 3d scanned indoor replica rigged to a weighted pulley system
+Brings up arguments about the autistic deconstruction of the sending process
+"If he flashed it irl would it have been a flash?" Etc
+--- 2567721
+>>2567592
+one more thing -- most joshua tree routes don't have bolted anchors, and a lot of the ones that do don't have a safe way to set up a TR. research the shit out of the routes you plan to do
+--- 2567844
+>>2567657
+The autismal process strays far from pure climbing in my 5.11 climber opinion hah. It's like these guys are about media appeal more than wanting to climb.
+--- 2567951
+>>2567657
+To be fair, Nalle did replica training during bad weather/off-season but he just used generic climbing holds.
+
+Gratz to Will, that crazy scotish bastard.
+--- 2568160
+Very autistic question
+But how do you meet climbing friends? Someone told me it's pretty easy to find people at a climbing gym, but how do you generally approach that kinda thing without coming across as a weirdo?
+I can't really go trad climbing without a partner to belay, right?
+--- 2568284
+>>2567844
+>about media appeal more than wanting to climb.
+They probably climb more than you. Besides, can you blame them? They have responsibilities to sponsors regarding the media appeal. Its the age we live in. Its the only way for them to do this full time. Not even the competitions pay as well as.they used to 10-15 years ago.
+>>2567657
+Replicas have been a thing for decades. What? Its a crime to train now? Every craft or elite activity involves practice. Regardless of the sport, deconstructing things to make it easier, simpler and efficient improves performance. You make no sense.
+--- 2568543
+>>2568160
+try talking about a boulder when you see someone doing it, or when you are doing one and you see somebody looking at you doing it. like "dayum that starting position is weird as fuck" or "hey do you think you are supposed to skip that hold over there" or whatever that makes sense. then you try to keep a conversation going.
+
+if you have problems talking with people in general, it will also be difficult meeting climbing friends at the gym, and the other way around

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+-----
+--- 2538630
+Does anyone use an Inreach? are the subscriptions worth it? Tell me about the times you have gotten lost anon.
+--- 2538632
+i have one, they are worth it for peace of mind. the only problem is i live in the PNW and heavy tree cover completely kills it. 
+
+it also makes poorfags around here seethe thinking their 25 dollar baofeng will save them when they break their leg on a solo hike
+--- 2538633
+>>2538630 (OP)
+Defend this, LARP anons.
+--- 2538634
+FYI I hike solo in mountainous areas that I am unfamiliar with so I have been heavily debating getting one.
+--- 2538640
+>>2538632
+Which subscription do you use? Did you get any of the map packs/are they useful?
+--- 2538697
+>>2538640
+i bought a inreach mini, its not really a GPS. just use the basic plan. tethering it to your phone lets you quickly type messages/SOS and check weather which is all i need. I just use my phone as a GPS. unless you spend a ton of money(+700 dollars plus) the GPS ability on these devices is fucking terrible. The unit in the OP photo legitimately had the worst feature set id ever seen, i believe its been discontinued now but it didnt even have topography or trail maps. it just had basic outline of the geography and water so it was basically useless. 
+
+the only real downside of this is that your phone consumes battery at a much higher rate than these dedicated GPS handhelds but i carry multiple 18650s since my headlamp also uses that same battery.
+--- 2538699
+>>2538630 (OP)
+why would u use these anymore? phones ipads etc can do it just fine
+--- 2538702
+>>2538697
+>it didnt even have topography or trail maps. it just had basic outline of the geography and water so it was basically useless.
+Very helpful, thank you. Maybe I'll get the mini and try to find a good separate GPS device with trail maps then.
+--- 2538705
+>>2538630 (OP)
+ The iPhone 14 comes with a data plan that includes PLB functionality for a year or two, then you have to pay for it as an added feature or something. So I guess all of the newest phones will have it soon, or already do, and PLB’s will probably die out.
+--- 2538710
+>>2538699
+It’s a personal locator beacon, Anon. It’s not just a GPS. These have basic satellite communication, not just reception. They can send a message if you’re lost or injured. That message is received by a service and relayed to the appropriate officials who can launch a search or whatever.
+--- 2538712
+>>2538699
+I want map functionality in places with no cell service
+--- 2538714
+>>2538702
+a phone will totallly mog every single GPS made nowadays, they are horribly behind the times with tech. They have terrible laggy interfaces. The only upside is if you need to access the device with gloves since tend to focus on physical button navigation. 
+
+>>2538705
+there is caveats to the iphone SOS system, it cant be used for texting and weather updates like garmin products but if youre in the market for a new phone its probably a good way to get 2 birds with one stone. 
+
+>>2538712
+unless you are a 80 IQ idiot using google maps for navigation then this is not an issue. any good GPS software for a cellphone is going to have the ability to store maps on the device. I keep the entire of north america maps on my phone+any layers i need on my phone. It chews up a couple gigs of storage on my phone but whatever.
+--- 2538718
+>>2538714
+Kek, fair enough. I find it desirable to know my location on trails with satellites but it's too bad that these devices are so far behind (and at their current pricepoint).
+--- 2538724
+I made the OP pic for fun and I just found pic rel on youtube
+--- 2538726
+>>2538724
+That's not this same guy is it?
+--- 2538727
+>>2538630 (OP)
+I dont usually bring it but I have a long battery life android phone with OsmAnd+ GaiaGPS and AllTrails for finding cool places to go and getting my bearings. OsmAnd is great because you can download entire states offline and it shows trails, forest service roads, power lines, etc plus you can pre-map your routes pretty easily. Would recommend.
+--- 2538728
+>>2538718
+your cellphone is receiving your location via satellites too. every single cellphone has a GPS receiver in it. It can do tracking just fine with zero signal
+--- 2538730
+>>2538726
+Nope, different one. This one is "Justin Outdoors - Gear Priority"
+--- 2538731
+>>2538727
+Thank you for the suggestions!
+>>2538728
+Maybe I need a better phone but on my last long trip my phone was not helpful at all tracking.
+--- 2538734
+>>2538633
+I can defend part of it. She's trying to find her way without relying on the GPS, which is slightly based. People these days have largely lost the brain-muscles we once used to navigate and reckon. They've just atrophied.
+--- 2538735
+>>2538714
+>it can’t be used for texting
+Are you sure? I’m not much of a consumer so I don’t know the ins and outs.
+--- 2538739
+>>2538735
+You can text emergency services but noone else. I dont need to call service and rescue very often.its far more important to be able to send messages to my loved ones that im ok every night during overnight trips or be able to get a relative to send a tow truck out to an area if truck breaks down in the middle of nowhere
+--- 2538740
+>>2538630 (OP)
+I had one, I would later sell it.
+I got tired of people texting my InReach asking me to check in. I realize now that I don't want to be "In reach".
+--- 2538773
+>>2538731
+it's because you're retarded
+--- 2538790
+I carry an emergency beacon because if something goes wrong it dramatically reduces my chances of dying.
+--- 2538836
+>>2538630 (OP)
+I haven’t used one of these, but contemplated getting one after my phone refused to take charge the other day because it was too cold. It had been in a pocket of a down puffy, very occasionally being removed to look at the map. 
+
+I assume that at least one of these things doesn’t use an li-ion battery, and could save me from having to deal with that shit again.
+--- 2538861
+>>2538714
+>The only upside is if you need to access the device with gloves since tend to focus on physical button navigation.
+This is one of the main reasons I bought a Garmin.Touchscreens are pain in the ass.
+--- 2538863
+>>2538861
+Also the display is great because you don't need backlight to see it.
+--- 2538865
+I want a watch with a barometer, altimeter and gps.
+--- 2538878
+>>2538630 (OP)
+I always have a handheld GPS and a PLB when I'm /out/. I will sometimes bring an inReach to stay in touch with friends and family.
+Whenever I'm hunting (or going /out/ at all), I have five rules: 
+Safety, safety, safety, safety, safety. 
+
+Shamelessly borrowed from Jim Shockey, but that doesn't change the validity of the sentiment. Being prepared never hurt anybody, lack of preparedness certainly has. You have to ask yourself what you what is more important:
+Being called a wimp on the internet by some rando who probably never goes /out/, or not ending up dead in the wilderness because something happened and you had no way to call for help. For me, the latter is far more important.
+That doesn't mean living in fear or never taking risks. Just don't talk yourself out of taking logical safety precautions either due to peer pressure or money.
+>>2538699
+>>2538714
+1. GPS units are significantly more durable than phones. They are better at standing up to impacts and have much better weather resistance.
+2. The battery lasts longer; and if you use a unit that takes removable batteries, you can easily replace them.
+3. They have more features for navigation.
+4. Not everywhere has mobile phone reception.
+--- 2538919
+>>2538878
+>durability and waterproof was
+This could be a concern, but it’s never been an issue for me. I hiked all of the Pinhoti and roughly 3/4 of the Florida trail with an iPhone 7 (back before all of the smartphones were waterproof to some degree). 
+>battery life
+If you’re going for an ultralight base weight or are just weight conscious this is definitely a concern. If you’re taking both a phone and a GPS, then you’re obviously not too concerned with weight. 
+>more features
+Like what? Phone apps are as feature-heavy as the designers want them to be. I find that most have too many features.
+>muh mobile phone reception
+And just like that your entire opinion is discarded.
+--- 2539105
+>>2538878
+This
+--- 2539115
+>>2538705
+>The iPhone 14 comes with a data plan that includes PLB functionality for a year or two***
+
+***only for use in America
+
+I was kind of thinking about getting the iGoy until I read about that, what the fuck is the point if your beacon doesn't work the instant you leave the country? Retard shit.
+--- 2540675
+>>2538632
+>the only problem is i live in the PNW and heavy tree cover completely kills it.
+
+I haven't found this to be the case at all in the north cascades even in rain and heavy cloud cover... do you mean it kills the gps and text, or just live voice calls?
+
+Only ever bother with gps and text, maybe latency would fuck up audio. 
+
+Or are you in like the Hoh forest or somewhere even denser?
+--- 2540710
+>>2538633
+I remember reading this post, I now keep my gps device in a zippered pocket of my pack which actually delays the time it takes to send and receive messages (yes, i've tested it and it is actually slower to having it clipped to your strap); and, while that's not really a major problem when you're /out/ing it in familiar woods, it does pose a threat when out on multi-day ventures or unfamiliar terrain where sending a message within minutes as opposed to after 10-20 minutes, where whomever you're messaging could look away, become distracted, leave their phone, and end up seeing your cry for help many minutes/hours later.
+tl;dr I don't give a shit if I or you or anybody has their gps device hooked to the outside of their pack/person, it's probably the best practice for preserving their life despite any appeals to the contrary.
+--- 2540766
+>>2538878
+Listen to this anon, OP
+--- 2540855
+>>2539105
+>>2540766
+>4. Not everywhere has mobile phone reception.
+Why is this still a talking point in current year? We’ve known since the first generation of smartphones (that’s what, 15 years?) that you don’t need a cell signal to use GPS feature.
+--- 2540872
+>>2540855
+Let me know how that works out for you.
+--- 2541016
+>>2540872
+I’m really not sure what you’re implying. Are you saying you need a signal from a cellphone tower to use GPS navigation on a smartphone? Use your words.
+
+Inb4 smartphones bad because other reason.
+--- 2541047
+>>2541016
+NTA, but a phone GPS isn't nearly as reliable as a dedicated GPS unit.
+--- 2541078
+>>2541047
+Really? Post hardware specs.
+--- 2541081
+>>2541047
+>>2541078
+Also, the point (#4) wasn’t “it’s not reliable because reasons that I can’t or won’t give.” It was that you need cell reception.
+--- 2541128
+My phone GPS doesn't work at points in the mountains, would a dedicated GPS work? I want something I can rely on, plus I'll get a PBL as well
+--- 2541150
+>>2541128
+A purpose-built handheld GPS should work anywhere if you are in the open. You shouldn't have any issues in the mountains or alpine country with a dedicated GPS.
+--- 2541153
+>>2541128
+Nope
+--- 2541155
+>>2541128
+Assuming its the same satellites I'm not sure what the difference would be except maybe better receiver antenna?
+If there's terrain occlusion then no tech is going to help that. The device is basically watching a few flickering lights in the sky.
+--- 2541206
+Attention retards! You can plug an antenna into a cellphone!
+--- 2541207
+>>2541206
+You mean the antennas which leech signal from everyone around you? Is that what you mean? Because you do not need a GPS antenna so what are you referring to?
+--- 2541210
+>>2541207
+>You mean the antennas which leech signal from everyone around you?
+...no? Do you not know what an antenna is?
+
+Many anons have expressed that phones have poor gps reception when not in range of supplementary signal sources.
+The solution is an antenna.
+--- 2541569
+>>2541078
+>>2541081
+IEEE tested this. The conclusion is cellphone GPS reliability varies greatly even between the same phones. 
+
+https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7876317
+
+GPS accuracy isn't tested on cellphones before they ship--they just run a hardware test. 
+
+The real test: if you need anything other than a grid location from a GPS you lack the basic skillsets required to navigate and shouldn't leave trails or roads.
+--- 2541596
+>>2541569
+So do you need cell reception or not?
+
+>accuracy
+So it’s 15m instead of 3m?
+--- 2541685
+>>2538630 (OP)
+Yes. But I always bring and use a map. Main reason why I bring one is so I can explorer places without having to worry about getting completely lost and wandering for too long.
+--- 2541694
+>>2539115
+It is launched in way more countries now
+--- 2541756
+>>2541596
+Useeless for route finding on the mountain.
+--- 2541869
+>>2541756
+Then so is a handheld GPS, seeing as how they both use identical hardware and satellite arrays.
+--- 2541873
+>>2541569
+>last paragraph
+Thank you. Too many people have zero orientation skills. Like what is a compass tier rookies and they won't even try to learn.
+I've tried sherpaing this sort before and they just ignore me and check their amazing GPS app they're fond of, because why not come 5hrs to be with nature so you can play with your phone half the time.
+I can pinpoint within 5m spots on others' trip videos remotely without compass readings, assuming there's landmarks obv. Its a fun game if you're bored. I could teach a lot, but rarely does anyone care yo learn. Depressing a tad.
+I will use GPS on the rare instance I'm turned around in thick featureless woods, thats about it, or to double check a trail junction in same.
+--- 2541883
+>>2538630 (OP)
+It honestly depends our teams carry them for emergencies and they work well but we struggled using them in DRC. Too much tree cover.
+You can also use them to track patrols which is nice
+--- 2543080
+>>2538630 (OP)
+i buy a used inreach, subscribe, then sell the device after for thru hikes
+and i use a normal PLB with no subscription fucking about the backcountry at home
+
+>>2538714
+2 simple reasons why this advice is bad GENERALLY SPEAKING
+- normies love to hang their phones over cliffs to take selfies, what if you break or lose your phone? i don't ascribe to boy scout mentality but most normies are very liable to break their phone outdoors eventually. 
+- smartphones are not anywhere on the same universe as battery efficient.
+--- 2543089
+>>2543080
+>its a bad idea for you to do it because normies ars stupid
+?????
+--- 2543114
+>>2543089
+when giving general advice you need to consider the audience.
+--- 2543116
+>>2543114
+I see, I tend to assume the best of a person until I see otherwise.
+--- 2543326
+>>2538878
+why did "Jim Shockey" (who?) use a green screen instead of actually going /out/?
+--- 2543329
+>>2538630 (OP)
+>wanting to be found
+--- 2543838
+>>2538699
+Cell Sites go down in remote places all the time and you really want a way to get help in case shit goes south
+>t. Towerfag
+--- 2543852
+>>2543329
+if you feel modern society was wrong to keep you alive past infancy, you can always fix that right now, no need to keep whining about on the internet.
+--- 2544023
+>>2543838
+Mobile devices have gps...
+--- 2544030
+>>2544023
+He’s said “get help,” Anon.
+--- 2544160
+Several phones have satelite connections.
+--- 2544237
+>>2544160
+Which ones? I know the newest iPhone (I think it just came out last year) advertised it as a brand new feature.
+--- 2544249
+>>2544237
+would still rather take my shitty old thuraya than a meme sat phone.
+--- 2544284
+>>2544237
+Some random europhone also has it. I know im reaching here but at the end of the day a sat module can easily be connected to a shart phone.
+--- 2544290
+>>2544284
+>say module
+I’ve never heard of such a thing. Post link? Sounds interesting.
+--- 2544298
+>>2538919
+Why do faggots insist on telling flaming mandril ass lies?
+--- 2544299
+>>2544298
+>do a thing
+>”I don’t believe you”
+Ok
+--- 2544303
+>>2544023
+Mobiles devices are reliant on the internet to interpret GNSS coordinates into a direction or bearing thats populates your map app unless you pay for some premium subscription app
+Dedicated GPS devices have that baked in and can changes course or directions on the fly without the internet
+Being able to reach out anywhere with a view of the sky is a major burden lifted
+>Everywhere I go has cell service
+you are not really /out/ then
+--- 2544307
+>>2544290
+Iridium is the first one that comes to mind.
+
+>>2544303
+>Mobiles devices are reliant on the internet to interpret GNSS coordinates
+>Dedicated GPS devices have that baked in and can changes course or directions on the fly without the internet
+>direction
+>baked in
+I need you to not opine on topics you are inadequately informed about.
+--- 2544310
+>>2544303
+Sorry bro, but you’re just straight up wrong.
+--- 2544312
+I bought this. Should I have gotten the inreach instead?
+--- 2544313
+>>2544312
+--- 2544316
+>>2544303
+
+See: >>2540855
+--- 2544674
+>>2538630 (OP)
+The market is going to get interesting when the rocket autist gets his big shiny sky dilater flying regularly, the next gen starlink sats are going to include lower baud G5 cell reception through T-Mobile:
+https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-to-serve-t-mobile-phones-with-second-gen-starlink-satellites
+--- 2544700
+My buddy went down solo riding Idaho BDR, inreach was the only reason he got outta that shit alive and it's why I'm gonna snag one when I start taking my bike into the sticks this spring.
+--- 2544758
+>>2544700
+I think anything on an ATV or 4x4 would be more dangerous in terms of being stranded and unreachable, especially in the western half of the US. You can get pretty far from civilization and any kind of minor breakdown could be a disaster. I hiked two days on a sprained ankle and it wasn’t the end of the world. But if I was 30 miles out with a flat tire or something I’d be fucked.
+--- 2544843
+>>2544700
+>>2544758
+You really shouldnt be going anywhere without the kit to survive...
+--- 2545162
+I’m on the fence about this unit. It has “in reach” non emergency texting and emergency beacon with 2 way com. Also replace my seperate dog training collar, and my gps (phone does not work where I hunt at all). It’s almost 1500 with 2 collars but I really am thinking about it. The only downside is you can’t use it to make a virtual electric fence, you can make a boundary line that alerts you if the dog leaves but it won’t auto-shock them like some of the other brands. Upside is everything else. Never owned a Garmin anything but they seem well built
+--- 2545179
+>>2545162
+I have an older model I use on two huskies. Its great. Geo fence is hands on, thats all. When it beeps, you manually correct. Just keep the unit by you while training. A smart dog learns pretty quick. Also it has hella range. Easily 5 miles here in a very heavily wooded area of hilly terrain. Great battery life. Half a day on the handheld, day plus on the collar depending on setup. Less transmitting means longer life. The only downside Ive found is map sucks, as in it only shows terrain zoomed out to like an inch equals a mile. It can get you places, but dont expect it to show the terrain or trails. Theres also a lighter/smaller collar for smaller dogs.
+
+I assume the posted version has added inreach features?
+--- 2545242
+Yes this one has in reach, Birds Eye view, better screen but still has buttons the reviews say they fixed the UI slot with this one. Just the price.
+--- 2545250
+>>2540675
+i just have a unit that can do only text/weather report but it does have gps. 
+
+tree cover makes it difficult for these iridium devices to communicate, in the PNW its so thick i cant get a signal. I will run the diagnostics on the unit under a variety of tree cover and it has to be pretty thin for it to work. 
+
+GPS is received via a different antenna on a 1 way signal on a band that is not hindered by tree cover too much.
+--- 2545264
+>>2543326
+>who?
+Jim Shockey is arguably the most accomplished hunter alive today. He has hunted in almost every country where it is currently legal to hunt, and has taken hundreds of species of game. Shockey is a true hunter and explorer who has hunted in places that most people wouldn't even contemplate visiting (Pakistan, Chad, Somaliland, Central African Republic, Republic of Congo, just to name a few).
+>use a green screen instead of actually going /out/?
+Because that picture is from a photo shoot for an Outdoor Life Magazine article.
+--- 2545265
+>>2541596
+>So do you need cell reception or not?
+Without cell reception, reliability is questionable. And when you could be faced with a life or death situation, that's unacceptable.
+--- 2545267
+>>2545265
+W
+R
+O
+N
+G
+
+stop being fucking stupid.
+A cellphone with an antenna has the reliability and accuracy of a dedicated gps.
+--- 2545268
+>>2545267
+That hasn't been my experience. I have been /out/ with a mobile phone and a GPS on me at the same time in places without reception, and the GPS was more accurate.
+--- 2545270
+>>2545268
+>with an antenna
+--- 2545271
+I got the new iPhone 14 max with satellite. I also use the Gaia maps app so I can track exactly where I am even with zero reception or service.
+--- 2545277
+>>2538630 (OP)
+No paper maps are more fun
+--- 2545524
+>>2543838
+you got a loicense to operate that?
+--- 2546371
+>>2538630 (OP)
+>Tell me about the times you have gotten lost anon.
+Has never happened anon. Sometimes I will lose society for a while, but I have never lost myself.
+--- 2546379
+>>2546371
+Based all who wonder are not lost chad
+--- 2548401
+>>2544303
+nu-out will seethe at this this, but you're right
+--- 2548472
+>>2548401
+>is factually incorrect
+>"youre right"
+What did he mean by this
+--- 2549267
+>>2538735
+
+>U up? ;) I just fell 15m and shattered my tibia, maybe you could come check it out ;P thx
+--- 2549280
+>>2548472
+It means you'll seethe at it, because you don't any better and don't care to educate yourself.
+--- 2549287
+The entire world was explored with maps and a compass. I might think about buying one if I was going somewhere notorious for hikers getting lost like the area around the AT or that forest in Australia where people always get lost and die. I live in a place with a lot of Identifiable mountains and rivers so I don't have any need for one. I'm generally pretty confused when I see people hiking popular trails with them. I also notice that a lot of the stories I read about hikers who get in over their heads and die (like that banker woman in NH) they have a PLB with them. If I were to get mauled by a bear or fall and break my leg I would prefer to die like a man.
+--- 2549391
+>>2543852
+>You can fix it right now
+With how many pipe bombs?
+--- 2549413
+>>2538702
+those sorts of GPS units (like Foretrex too although that's even more basic) are really designed to be used with a physical topo map. They're just good for getting your exact location and orienting you to a point or following a route but not for route planning or looking at your surrounding area. The ones with digital topo maps are nice but generally cost a shit ton more and it means if the thing dies or breaks then you don't have maps at all (same with a phone, carry a physical map and compass too for god's sake anons, it's a few hundred extra grams).
+--- 2549487
+I go hiking solo and the main thing I'm worried about is snake bites and broken leg/ankle. I do want to get an inreach, but the price and subscription is a bit high for the amount of /out/ I do.
+--- 2549588
+>>2549280
+>because you dont know any better
+Oh, my bad. I forgot to do my indoctrination session last week.
+--- 2549605
+>>2549267
+>Can you launch a full search and rescue operation for me plz? Yeah I just sprained my ankle I have water for a couple of days but I can't walk back. Oh, it'll be 20k dollars plus tip? Guess I'll pay up since it's my only option and I can't just text my buddy to come pick me up...
+--- 2549608
+>>2538633
+the battery lasts twice as long and it tracks more accurately at speed when it's oriented properly. If I keep it in my backpack the battery dies from constantly searching for maps and re-orienting.
+
+I don't know why these idiots need a GPS for day hikes, though, I only bring one to places where I would actually need one in an emergency.
+
+>>2538734
+>>2540710
+based
+--- 2549631
+>>2549608
+>If I keep it in my backpack the battery dies from constantly searching for maps and re-orienting.
+You couldnt just turn it off when youre not using it?
+--- 2549632
+>>2545179
+>The only downside Ive found is map sucks, as in it only shows terrain zoomed out to like an inch equals a mile. It can get you places, but dont expect it to show the terrain or trails.
+Can't you change the level of detail in the settings? If I remember correctly there is some setting on the gpsmapp 66 for example.
+--- 2549634
+>>2549608
+If you zoom out on the map battery lasts much longer or if you use other page. Sure if you need to navigate it's not an option but if you just tracking it's good.
+--- 2549647
+>>2549391
+Zero my troon friend! 
+Just a plastic bag, a short hose, some duct tape, and a party store helium tank.
+--- 2549700
+>>2538633
+I don't think GPS will even be useful in places like k2
+Like you would have already planned so much in advance there's no mistaking the giant ridge you're going up and down
+--- 2549709
+>>2549700
+>Like you would have already planned so much in advance there's no mistaking the giant ridge you're going up and down
+Most fanous stories about mountain climbing feature AT LEAST one instance of a veteran climber mistaking landmarks.
+--- 2549863
+>>2549487
+You have plenty of time after a snake bite to make it to the hospital. Unless you're multiple days hike away from the road system in an area with a lot of snakes, you're gonna be fine.
+--- 2550061
+>>2538630 (OP)
+They're only worth it if you go in areas that are bumfuck nowhere. If you're hiking the AT, and you're not retarded enough to get lost, someone's going to stumble upon you before you die, probably. If you're in Bumfuck WV, hiking near the NRQZ, a broken leg is almost a death sentence. I've been in National Forest areas that I haven't seen other people in over a week, and that's in the spring. As modern tech bullshit as it is, bring your phone, bring an external battery, and bring an SOS system if you're going somewhere that others aren't. And for god's sake, get the insurance if you aren't on public land.
+--- 2550234
+>>2549605
+>Ok lol xD sending the chopper :p sowwy that happened to you
+--- 2550371
+>>2545524
+I wish
+--- 2550376
+>>2549700
+Pakistani army will heli you for the low price of 4000$ an hour
+--- 2550518
+>>2543838
+>>2545524
+>>2550371
+--- 2550520
+>>2550061
+that old chick who was thru hiking starved to death just off of the AT lol 
+somethin like inchworm or whatever, she wasn't that far off and it was retarded she starved to death but lol women
+anyways no one found her until quite awhile after she was dedz
+--- 2550615
+>>2538699
+You have data when you go camping? Your phone battery lasts over a week on one charge? Your phone has satellite connection? Your phone does has a fragile screen and will die if it gets too wet.
+--- 2550618
+>>2538919
+Funny how youre so vague and dont actually say anything but deflecting stupid comments. Maybe actually post up or shut up.
+--- 2550755
+>>2550615
+>You have data when you go camping?
+Dont need a tower to com with gps sats
+>Your phone battery lasts over a week on one charge?
+Yes, learn what the settings menu is you boomer fuck
+>Your phone has satellite connection?
+Yes, enter the second millenium you boomer fuck
+>Your phone does has a fragile screen and will die if it gets too wet.
+Shock case, glass screen protector, waterproof rating.
+
+GET
+WITH
+THE
+TIMES
+--- 2550955
+>>2549267
+Just realized the last time I sent or received a text like this was more than 5 years ago.
+--- 2551231
+>>2550955
+You old fuck
+--- 2551412
+>>2538699
+Because people that actually go off trail in rugged terrain don't want to rely on a non-ruggedized piece of equipment that is water and cold sensitive with unreliable batteries.
+Now please hush, adults are speaking.
+--- 2551413
+>>2538714
+>A phone is better than a GPS
+ahahhaahahhahah
+ahahhahahahah
+You're the cell shill that says retarded shit in every GPS thread--you have some serious mental issues on top of being a pathological liar.
+--- 2551415
+>>2550755
+holy shit you sound like an infomercial for retards and no, your phone doesn't have a week long battery life in the woods--more of that pathological lying I see.
+Expensive phones get 3 days... MOST phones don't even come that close.
+
+So, again, you're going to tell more lies because you cant stop yourself.
+--- 2551421
+>>2550615
+Celltards don't understand that the accuracy of Cellphone GPS is significantly improved by tower triangulation augmentation and so, when you go out of network, cellphone location accuracy drops significantly.
+99% of cellphones use the cheapest GPS receiver-hardware possible because they know most users will use the augmented accuracy from the towers. 
+ALL advertised cellphone location accuracies are based on A-GPS not stand-alone GPS. Celltards always lie about this.
+--- 2551425
+>>2551415
+>he doesn't know how to disable apps and updates
+ngmi
+--- 2551442
+>>2551425
+>Doesn't actually respond to anything
+>Lies more about battery life
+Fun fact: you cant substantiate any of your claims. 
+Lets try something fun--list off the technical specs of your battery and the model of your phone so I can laugh at you for demonstrating your claim is mathematically impossible at room temperature and an absolute fairy tail in winter conditions.
+--- 2551455
+>>2551442
+>An Analysis of Power Consumption in a Smartphone--Aaron Carroll
+>Many such cases
+--- 2551465
+>>2551442
+I'm not that anon. And it's tale, not tail.
+--- 2551488
+>>2551465
+>Unironically Spellchecking on 4chan with broken grammar.
+You're a special kind of retard.
+--- 2551491
+>>2538630 (OP)
+They do not work in wooded areas, mountainous areas, or canyons.
+--- 2551503
+>>2551488
+>I know you are, but what am I: the post
+--- 2551511
+>>2551503
+>Battery life: celltard proven to be lying and cells have shit battery life
+>GPS accuracy: celltard proven to be lying and cells have shit stand alone GPS
+>GPS sturdiness: celltard proven to be lying and cells are delicate as fuck
+>Celltards: REEEEEE WE MUST SEND IN THE SPELLCHECKERS AND PETTY COMMENTERS BECAUSE WE CAN'T WIN ON FACTS OR LOGIC
+every time.
+--- 2551524
+>>2550371
+you should, they're kinda fun to cruise around in
+>>2550518
+FAFO. Mistakes were made, and mistakes have consequences.
+--- 2551533
+>>2551511
+The post where you linked your proof must have gotten deleted, anon. Could you throw it up again?
+--- 2551548
+>>2551533
+I debunked all of your substantiated claims. 
+also, there's literally a graduate study on the matter listed in this thread... so, you're outed for lying again.
+--- 2551558
+>>2551548
+>75 posters in this thread
+>Every person I respond to is the same person
+Are the lies in the room with us now, anon?
+--- 2551572
+>>2551415
+>your phone doesn't have a week long battery life in the woods
+Yes it does
+>Expensive phones get 3 days
+The price has nothing to do with it, whatever phone has the highest capacity battery will get the longest life. Im talking android ofcourse, i have no idea how to work an ios phone.
+
+>>2551442
+>lie!lie!lie!lie!
+Okay but do you have an actual argument?
+>mathematically impossible at room temperature and an absolute fairy tail in winter conditions
+Its called a pocket
+--- 2551574
+>>2551511
+>proven
+--- 2551592
+>>2551574
+Correct. 
+It's easy to debunk celltards when they make outlandish claims supported by zero data. Just ask them to show their evidence and laugh because there isn't any.
+>>2551572
+You're still lying I see.
+>>2551455<---debunked
+
+>>2551558
+celltards like you are my favorite 
+bnhinged and spewing 100% /pol/isms even though I'm betting you despise /pol/
+--- 2551608
+>>2551592
+>debunked
+Troll/10
+--- 2551614
+>>2551592
+>uses a chart looking at a normal phone setup
+>this somehow debunks the claim that modifying the settings to extend battery life is possible
+--- 2551615
+>>2551592
+>/pol/
+>/pol/
+>/pol/
+sea kelp
+--- 2551677
+>>2551608
+>>2551614
+>>2551615
+samefagging
+>more lying 
+pathetic.
+continue. you amuse me.
+absolutely don't tell me which battery your phone uses because basic math debunks your obvious lie.
+pro tip"
+you're obviously lying to anyone who knows anything about batteries 
+continue though, playing with children entertains me and your obviously not an adult.
+continue proving me correct.
+--- 2551679
+>>2551614
+>I can modify my phones power consumption, on standby, to last more than 48 hours 
+>nevermind that freezing temperatures half that estimate 
+continue lying 
+according to the people that make batteries for cellphones the best you can do on the lowest power setting is two days on a smart phone.
+You're still in checkmate. 
+lmao
+--- 2551681
+>>2551679
+>I can modify my phones power consumption, on standby, to last more than 48 hours 
+Yes.
+>nevermind that freezing temperatures half that estimate 
+Its called a pocket.
+
+Lmao you wanna get really mad?
+Battery banks exist.
+
+I dont even HAVE to adjust anything on my phone yo make it last for a week.
+
+Checkmate? Buddy we're playing checkers.
+--- 2551698
+>>2551681
+>My cell totally lasts more than 48 hours if I turn it off and don't use it
+Indeed
+>If I lie even more no one will notice 
+indeed...
+soo, what was the model number of your battery? I accept that you're a liar so I'm really just mocking you.
+We both know you don't have any idea of how batteries are rated or how to calculate lifespan. Considering I literally posted the real world tests and associated engineering you're lies are not just pathetic, they are yet another example of what you are.
+continue. I give you permission. More than that: I expect you to continue.
+At this point you're just another one of my bitches lmao
+--- 2551699
+>>2551681
+>>2551698
+just fuck already.
+--- 2551700
+>>2551699
+>Arguing makes me horney
+I'm not interested in whatever fag fantasy you're invisioning.
+--- 2551703
+>>2551700
+take your boyfriend and go be a faggot elsewhere.
+--- 2551714
+>>2551703
+>celltard response category C
+Damn, I single handedly humiliated ya'll this much...again. All I did was the basic battery energy density math that any freshman in engineering would know for the last 40 years...lmao, do better celltard
+--- 2551716
+>>2551714
+sure, you won, if that makes you go makes you go be an aids infested cock goblin elsewhere.
+--- 2551718
+>>2551716
+I didn't win
+I told the truth and you didn't 
+I'm better at telling the truth than you are at lying.
+You're objectively a liar, I could care less about subjectively winning.
+That's the difference between a low iq (you) and me: I was never trying to win and don't even care about that metric. I out liars, and idiots like you make that easy. Now go away you're boring.
+--- 2551724
+>>2551698
+>lies about what someone said
+>calls them a liar
+Try again
+--- 2551726
+>>2551718
+The fact that you think the anon telling both of us to shut up is the persons you were arguing with just proves how fucking unhinged you are
+Refer to 
+>>2551558
+--- 2551774
+>>2538630 (OP)
+I'm looking at getting a GPSMap this year. The subs seem worth it, since you can do month-to-month and avoid wasting money on it when you don't need it. The lowest sub (15 bucks?) gives you access to all the functions plus a few texts and unlimited pre-written "check in" messages. Even without the sub, the devices can still be used for maps.
+--- 2551781
+I carry a pld in remote areas, but leave it home on less remote hikes. the inreach mini is like ~100g so it's hard to justify not carrying one in remote areas. handy for weather updates as well, but I haven't used it for nav
+--- 2551895
+>>2551726
+>>2551724
+>Get repeatedly outed for lying so resort to low IQ bant: Celltard argument C
+Called it. continue--owning you bitches is easy , you do it for me.
+>>2551781
+Anyone who needs more than a grid location from a GPS lacks the competence to go off trail. I carry my GPS with me but I almost never use it because I can read a map.
+--- 2551899
+>>2551895
+>Anyone who needs more than a grid location from a GPS lacks the competence to go off trail.
+I'm with you. The inreach mini is great in this respect as it's much more a plb than a gps imo.
+--- 2551902
+>>2551899
+I don't like lithium ion batteries
+The are notorious for poor preformance in cold weather and have reliability issues regarding charge-discharge-lifespan. One of the major advantages of hand held GPS is the ability to swap out batteries. All of my out electronics take the same batteries.
+--- 2551903
+>>2551902
+fair points. I've never had an issue with it, it's pretty easy to manage. but yeah interchangeable batteries is cool
+--- 2552044
+>>2551895
+>outed for lying
+Ive gotta say, ive encountered plenty of arguments in my life. But "nuh uh, ur a liar" immediately followed by zero argument or evidence has gotta be one of the weirdest tacticts ive encountered.
+
+Who hurt you?
+--- 2552075
+>>2538630 (OP)
+I've got clinical amnesia so you better fucking believe I'm never doing a solo backwoods trek without a GPS unit. All it takes is a bad night setting up camp and I wake up not even realizing I'm 10 miles from my car
+That said, USGS and trail maps + compass and notebook will still be 1000x more reliable and dare I say FUN compared to staring at a screen to get you to where you wanna go. Plus a compass doesn't run out of batteries in a worst-case survival situation
+--- 2552817
+>>2551524
+Why they gotta be so goddamn expensive
+--- 2552922
+>>2552044
+>>2551895<--still here
+Pretty pathetic bant desu
+Tell us the line about getting a week out of a cell battery, I need another giggle.
+--- 2552963
+>>2552922
+>full tilt cope
+I accept your concession
+--- 2553299
+>>2552963
+take your meds skitzo
+--- 2553321
+>>2553299
+>full blown tr*nnie cope
+LMAO
+--- 2553550
+>>2553321
+>c-c-cope!
+take your meds skitzo
+--- 2553628
+>>2553550
+Lmao look at him cope, mayhaps a degre of seethe?
+--- 2553645
+>>2545250
+>tree cover makes it difficult for these iridium devices to communicate, in the PNW its so thick i cant get a signal.
+Oh I was thinking you said you couldn't get a GPS signal (receiving only) - you mean a communications signal (broadcast is needed). 
+
+That kinda makes sense. 
+
+Makes me think I should actually test the broadcast case - I assumed that if GPS was working the communication out would be fine... 
+
+>>2549608
+>I don't know why these idiots need a GPS for day hikes, though, I only bring one to places where I would actually need one in an emergency.
+I lately bring mine on a ton of even easy/well traveled hikes. Mostly since I already bothered to buy it, so I might as well use it and learn it well. Better to be prepared than not, etc etc. I also over pack water and a filter, just too many years of boy scouts ingrained it in me. 
+
+ 
+Plus metrics tracking (speed but mostly vertical gain) is interesting to know. 
+
+Good way to shake-down test your gear - I didn't realize until an easy hike that battery will significantly discharge over a few weeks if left off in a cold garage - now I know to top it off overnight before trip, vs just trying to top it off on car charger during drive out to trailhead. Much happier having that learning on a pedestrian hike than a real trip. 
+
+>>2549700
+>I don't think GPS will even be useful in places like k2
+eh, if you can geo fence your expected route, and have it beep at if you leave route, it might help you correct if you start to fuck up your route due to impaired decision making from low oxygen or start of hypothermia, or just some kind of panic. 
+
+Defense in depth and all that.
+--- 2553648
+I didn't come into this thread with an opinion, but the celltards are fucking annoying. I'm thinking GPS unit and no cellphone is the way to go
+--- 2553665
+>>2553648
+Nobody asked
+--- 2553688
+>>2553628
+>take your meds skitzo
+--- 2553727
+>>2553688
+--- 2554811
+>>2553665
+>Celltard comes into a Inreach thread
+>Spams complete bullshit about cellphones
+Your lack of self awareness is beyond impressive.
+--- 2554812
+>>2552963
+>>2553299
+>>2553321
+>>2553550
+Truly amazing. This is quite honestly the best celltards have to offer. Pathetic
+>>2553645
+Not him but I'm also in the PNW. The GPS satellites are transmit only, there are more of them, and they are in a higher orbit than the Iridium. Even on shit days I have around 9 GPS satellites "visible" 
+The communications goes through iridium and only connects to one Satallite at a time...it's more like a cell service but the towers move instead of the phone.
+>>2549700
+You're 100% wrong. If anything you need more waypoints on K2 as awful weather can hit at any time and in whiteout all you have is the GPS and compass.
+--- 2554835
+>>2552817
+--- 2554912
+>>2554811
+Delusional
+
+>>2554812
+Half of the posts you quoted are in response to 'celltards' not from them you retard
+--- 2555272
+>>2554912
+You're awful at this. Truly pathetic. Tell the lie about cellphone battery life again--I need a giggle.
+--- 2555282
+>>2554912
+Stop responding to the troll
+--- 2555286
+>>2555282
+>Anyone who points out that cellphones have shit battery life (especially in cold weather), inferior out of network GPS performance and aren't rugged at all is a troll
+Indeed. We got a big brain here.
+--- 2555440
+>>2555272
+>tell a lie about
+you already proved yourself wrong kiddo, try again
+
+>>2555282
+No this thread is shit and in rolling in it
+
+>>2555286
+>points out that cellphones have shit battery life (especially in cold weather)
+What is a pocket, what are settings, what are battery packs. Did you think posting some faggots study where he used the factory "battery saver mode" proved you right? Lmao even.
+
+>inferior out of network GPS performance
+We already had this discussion retard, its called an antenna.
+
+>rugged at all is a troll
+Oh youre one of those kids who has a broken screen 99% of the time because youve never hears of a fucking case.
+
+Get fucked idiot
+--- 2555497
+>>2555440
+Stop responding to the troll
+--- 2555502
+>>2555497
+No! I dont wanna!
+--- 2555696
+>>2555440
+Truly pathetic. 
+>Calling me out for lying is trolling: REEEE
+fucking absolutly priceless. Look at how vapid your "argument" is...truly amazing..lamo
+
+Here is my FAVORITE question you're incapable of answering: where do you out? lmao
+>>2555497
+>Being smarter than an 80IQ celltard is trolling
+Absolutely reddlt.
+>>2555502
+LAMO
+pathetic
+
+Here is why you're lying about out of network GPS (shocking I know, people actually researched it and shokingly you're obviously lying):
+
+Accuracy of iPhone Locations: A
+Comparison of Assisted GPS, WiFi and
+Cellular Positioning
+Paul A Zandbergen
+
+Why you're a liar about batteries--this is very researched actually.
+An Analysis of Power Consumption in a Smartphone--Aaron Carroll
+
+Lie more though, you're so cringe it's absolutely amazing.
+--- 2555772
+OSMand (get the pro version for free from F-droid) with the map style set to topo has done everything I need it to in the Idaho backcountry. Waypoints, up to date trails and in my time hiking hunting and generally enjoying the outdoors I have literally never had an issue with finding GPS on my phone. Far from any cell towers too. Sat-phones have no competition for emergencies and the battery life is notable but the inreach I had the chance to use was unintuitive and they aren't exactly cheap.
+Do whatever you want.
+--- 2555817
+>>2538630 (OP)
+I was just looking at GPSMap models over the weekend. Previously I've taken my phone out with me because the GPS works well enough to get me back to a road and it's not like battery life is an issue, but I'd like to be able to send text messages to the wife when I'm out for multiple days with no reception.
+--- 2555878
+>>2555696
+>"youre lying about gps! (In 2023)""
+>posts research from 2009 to prove it
+
+>"youre lying about batteries! (In 2023)"
+>posts article from 2010 to prove it
+--- 2555934
+>>2555696
+Holy shit, it's the "priceless" guy again, making another dumb argument. See >>2555878
+--- 2556137
+>>2555878
+>Can't counter any of the arguments
+truly pathetic. So not only can you not substantiate anything you say but your counter to the scientific evidence is to ignore it--absolutely priceless
+
+Where do you out again? Lamo--fess up you're the Poland guy. 
+
+>>2555934
+>It's all the same person
+LMAO--triggered! Yes, it's all the same person in every thread on every board ... I can't get enough of how retarded you are... 
+yes, 
+it's priceless
+--- 2556178
+>>2538630 (OP)
+Worth it for the SOS button.
+The mapping/navigation is useful, but I wouldn't spend the money for just that.
+
+Relationship Pro Tip: If you want to go on solo trips, get one of these and use the tracking so your significant other can see where you are. It's safer for you (both in terms of health and avoiding arguments with your wife)
+--- 2556255
+>>2555817
+The company that I work for purchased Garmin GPSMap 66i's to replace our aging stock of 64s' and DeLorme inreaches and I must say that although having a two in one package is nice we've run into some problems. Namely the fact that you cannot swap batteries on the 66i. We had several instances of 66i's die on our guys in the field due to the cold (also because they left it in 10 minute tracking mode) and other than a battery bank they have no way to charge them. 
+
+Personally the 66i has been good to me, but I also know how to use the device and how to keep it functioning, we dont always get the brightest guys sampling for us.
+
+>>2556178
+This is a good tip anon.
+--- 2556417
+>>2556137
+>you cant counter my arguments if i ignore your counter
+True, that is true, good point.
+
+Would you perhaps like to provide RELEVANT research? Relating to technology of this FUCKING DECADE????
+--- 2556436
+>>2544674
+Yeah and I'll probably switch to them if the pricing isn't retarded
+
+I make <15 minutes of calls a month and still have to pay $35 fucking dollars for it
+--- 2556554
+>>2545268
+>>2545271
+I have an iPhone 11. AllTrails works just fine in the backcountry here with downloaded maps. Never have gotten lost using it. 
+
+Use a Zoleo to communicate with family on trips. 
+
+The cold is a bane to lithium without question.
+--- 2556592
+>>2556554
+>the cold is bane
+For you
+--- 2556606
+>>2556592
+This. Pockets and insulators kill the lithium scaremonger.
+--- 2556769
+>>2556417
+The fact that you cant counter even old data is truly pathetic.
+
+You don't even know what model number your battery is or what part number your GPS is--lamo. Fun fact: none of that shit has been updated in decades retard.
+
+So basically, you're lying AND you cant even debunk old data. truly pathetic.
+
+>>2556554
+I love it when east coasters call what they have "back country" If you get lost you literally wak 30 minutes in a straight line and you'll hit a road or an established trail.
+--- 2556772
+>>2556592
+>>2556606
+>I have to keep it warm to work
+>Telling the truth about known problems with lithium ion is scare mongering
+Its amazing how oblivious you are to how retarded you sound.
+--- 2556778
+>>2556772
+>hurr durr cold bad for battery
+>hurr durr keeping battery warm bad
+I just came here to make batman jokes; what's your excuse?
+--- 2556887
+>>2556778
+I don't need an excuse to know what I'm talking about.
+--- 2556929
+>>2556887
+Well you haven't said anything about sucking dick, so we're pretty far out of your wheelhouse
+--- 2556940
+>>2556769
+Why would i have to counter inapplicable data more than "its not relevant"?
+--- 2556941
+>>2556769
+>You don't even know what model number your battery is 
+Yes i do
+>or what part number your GPS is
+Yes i do
+>none of that shit has been updated in decades retard.
+Yes it has
+
+Its telling that you cant do anything but cite outdated research and call people liars...
+--- 2556942
+>>2556772
+>shirking known solutions to a problem in favor of complaining is scaremongering
+Yes...
+--- 2557273
+>>2556940
+>>2556941
+>>2556942
+Pathetic.
+So we've established 
+Cell batteries are shit
+Cell GPS out of network is bad
+and Cellphones aren't rugged
+
+And your counter is, quite literally, It isn't because I say so reeeeee (in squaky, puberty voice).
+
+god damn you retards are truly amazing. What was those model numbers again? Wait, you don't actually know because you're a liar and won't post them--lamo.
+
+Where do you /out/ again...oh wait, you won't post that either.
+
+Lamo--keep lying and dodging and lying, that's all you celltards are capable of.
+
+Continue.
+--- 2557295
+>>2556929
+why'd you bring that up, anon? is there something on your mind that you want to know more about?
+--- 2557321
+>>2557295
+>I know you are but what am I
+Way to take it on the chin, champ
+--- 2557509
+>>2557273
+>so we've established
+Astounding how you think you can just hand wave away the refutation of you """evidence"""
+
+Provide relevant sources retard, ill wait.
+--- 2557510
+>>2557321
+He argues like a middle schooler, its amazing.
+--- 2557748
+>>2557510
+>I have to mock someone for being younger than me
+>chooses middleschool
+Lamo, you truly are that pathetic 
+>>2557509
+I'm sorry, you had some fact somewhere supported by evidence in this thread? I must have missed it, link it would you?
+>dodge, lie, seeth: incoming
+--- 2557774
+In all seriousness its pretty amazing how garmin manages to make people pay iPhone money for technology straight from 2005.
+--- 2557779
+>>2557510
+People peak where they peak, I guess. He probably misses lording over the jungle gym with his vast intellect, kek
+--- 2557789
+>>2557295
+Muh dick bant is sadly the best he's been able to do on 4chan. It's all he's got, cut him some slack eh? He's trying his best.
+>>2557779
+Come now, champ, humiliating yourself more is embarrassing. Try using your big boy words and explaining what has changed in the past decade with lithium ion batteries.
+I need more laughs so indeed continue proving me correct.
+Yes, I'm obviously smarter than you, but don't be intimidated I'm trying to help.
+--- 2557978
+>>2557748
+Are you retarded? You literally used argumentation that a child would find juvenile. How the fuck can i be mocking you for being younger than me, how the fuck am i supposed to know how old you are????????
+
+>I'm sorry, you had some fact somewhere supported by evidence in this thread? I must have missed it, link it would you?
+I dont, and neither do you :)
+--- 2557979
+>>2557774
+When when they act like apple fagd, its pretty easy to see why it works.
+--- 2558336
+>>2557978
+>I can't counter any of your arguments therefore ad hominim
+Your stupidity is endearing. Go on--keep not debunking anything I've posted (because you can't) and crying about how you got owned hard.. 
+lmao.
+>>2557774
+The irony is Iphone is 2000s tech that people pay double market price for because of the brand name and superficial features.
+Hint AM. 721-00051-A is the same, tired, regurgitation of a 90s garmin reciever for 10x the price.
+--- 2558345
+>TMW you realize that the guy trolling the thread isn't actually an insufferable faggot supporting Garmin, but is instead an Apple employee trying to turn people away from handheld GPS devices by spamming pretentious ad hominem
+Well played, applefag. You almost had me convinced to stay away from GPS devices altogether.
+--- 2558462
+>>2558336
+I literally countered your argument and personally insulted you :)
+
+Now post a relevant source
+--- 2558463
+>>2558345
+Is this apple employee in the room with you right now?
+--- 2558468
+>>2558463
+Weak
+--- 2558469
+>>2558468
+Cry about it
+--- 2558471
+>>2558469
+My brother in christ, are you high right now
+--- 2558473
+>>2558471
+>coping this hard
+--- 2558513
+>>2558473
+I'm still going to buy a GPS, apple anon. I don't care how obnoxious you are.
+--- 2558515
+>>2538630 (OP)
+how often do people accidentally bump the SOS button?
+--- 2558519
+>>2558513
+>malding yourself into consooming
+Lmao even
+--- 2558544
+>>2544312
+if you want it as a life saving device it's fine. I reach mini has other features but also costs money for a subscription
+--- 2558556
+Galileo and beidou were not available on smartphones in 2009 so things have definitely changed since then. I'm not the guy you're arguing with so don't reee at me
+--- 2558820
+>>2538630 (OP)
+I look like this.
+--- 2558831
+I scuba dive and use an inreach mini 2. Granted the thing does NOT work underwater, I figure any casualty underwater while scuba diving is fatal if you can't recover and two if I'm fucked up at the surface or sweapted out to sea I have an emergency means of batphoning home as PLB. Worse case at least my family has a corpse they can recover.
+Also yeah the inreach systems are primarily a PLB they have GPS but that just a standard feature in any PLB made in the last decade.
+
+Also if you want to use it on a plant carrier or any MOLLE webbing you have to get a chain of adapters which imo is fuckin high kikery from Garmin. For me with the underwater case it was underwater case > back clip>slide>MOLLE adapter all separate accessories.
+U/W Case and molle adapter
+https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07JCLL891/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A1GIKH3L785S8V&psc=1
+Retarded required part that doesn't come with the above.
+https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07JCLL891/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A1GIKH3L785S8V&psc=1
+--- 2558855
+>>2538878
+This is the only post in here worth reading 
+good job anon
+--- 2559536
+>>2538878
+Best post
+--- 2560174
+>>2558855
+>contains literal lies
+--- 2560218
+>>2560174
+Not to be confused with figurative lies
+--- 2560225
+>>2560218
+Unironcially yes
+--- 2562087
+>>2538878
+Only good post in this thread.
+--- 2562100
+>>2538878
+On the internet you're homosexual & pussy for bringing a parachute to parachute jumping.
+
+While out of the pod nobody ever called me gay or pussy for wearing or using any and every sport related gear or even gimmick.
+In fact only ever received mires of my cycle helm when cycling, slim speedos during swimming, walking poles when hiking etc.
+--- 2562110
+>>2562100
+That should tell you people are dishonest irl
+--- 2562112
+>>2562110
+It takes courage to leave the pod and that's the fear being projected on the internet.
+It's too obvious on this board when all of it comes from people that clearly never go out.
+It's like when the internet dwellers join irl, they overcome those fears.
+--- 2562161
+>>2538878
+I've been tempted to buy one of these handheld GPS devices for years. Aside from being able to send an SOS in an emergency, having a GPS for navigation sounds super convenient. I've tried using GPS apps like AllTrails/Gaia but they just don't seem to work well on my S10e and I ended up going back to just consulting a map when needed. 
+
+The problem is that Garmin just seems like one of those niche companies that lack competition. They're still relying on the MIPS architecture which is close to 40 years old and slow as fuck, and they're charging a lot of money for it. And they get away with it because basically nobody else is making handheld GPS devices. I'm conflicted.
+--- 2562771
+>>2558462
+>Gets owned
+>still doesn't answer any of the questions or counter any points at all
+>Multiple posters debunk celltard retardation
+>Pretends it didn't happen
+lmao
+--- 2562772
+>>2560174
+Which are lies? 
+Use your words like a big boy--it's hard for you obviously but you can do it.
+--- 2562778
+>>2538630 (OP)
+They're not worth it for your average /out/ poster who never hikes in consequential terrain and never ventures too deep into backcountry areas
+--- 2564708
+if I wanted a dedicated GPS unit , I'd get a cheap "tough" smartphone off AliExpress, put OSMTrack / OsmAnd+ on it, and disable everything else that might possibly drain the battery
+--- 2566872
+Bump because this thread made out seethe
+--- 2567004
+>>2551421
+>everyone is lying
+We’re reaching schizophrenia levels we didn’t think we’re possible!
+--- 2567005
+>>2551677
+>you amuse me
+
+This is the best thread on /out/
+--- 2567057
+>>2567005
+>the trilby
+Perfect. He probably really is a forty-something myspace fossil, using the wifi at mcdonalds to claim his intellectual superiority on an egyptian snail breeding forum while he euphorically eats fistfuls of fries

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+-----
+--- 2540305
+I am looking to do something memorable for an important birthday of mine.
+I would like to walk 70km to a very small village in a extraordinarily shit part of south eastern romania as that is the village I spent a considerable amount of my childhood in.
+My birthday is in early August.
+During early august where I live the temperatures are usually near 40 celcius or more. It is usually bone dry but sometimes there are tropical rains which put even the storms of Havana to shame.
+The route to that village has 2km of gravel road of varying intensity. The rest of it is pure dirt road.
+The dangers include:packs of rabid dogs,very hungry dogs,migratory wolves;swarms of aggressive wasps;drunk and angry car drivers;and the rare druggie which uses shoe glue to get high.
+If I am lucky,it will be dry and the road will be dry dirt.
+If I am unlucky,it will rain and the road will be mud.
+If I am very unlucky,it would have rained before sunrise,making a humid,hot suffocating atmosphere. The road will be a very thick mud.
+What tools and equipment do I need to make such a journey possible?
+What tools should I have in order to counter the packs of canines which usually patrol the area?
+Could you mention anything related to this subject such as similar experiences?
+FYI in Romania,owning a gun as a nonpolitician or police officer is impossible.
+The max length acceptable for a fully extended pocket knife legally is from the tip of your longest finger to your wrist which in my case is 17.5cm,but in practice police will give you shit if your knife isn't 6cm long or smaller.
+It is a pain to obtain pepper spray and cops will give you shit for that too.
+In Romania,if you defend yourself from a murderer,you get 5-10 years and a whole lot more if you kill him while he gets 1-2 years and may get even less if he says he defended himself. Also if you hurt an animal,you are legally obligated to take it to a vet to treat it,otherwise you get a very hefty fine and 1 year in prison.
+--- 2540309
+>>2540305 (OP)
+>What tools and equipment do I need to make such a journey possible?
+
+You're going to need a water filter and you'll want to know the location of water sources along the way. You'll also want some quick to eat high energy food. Some electrolyte packets to add to your water as well.
+
+A daypack should be fine with minimal supplies, because you are going to want to travel light.
+
+>What tools should I have in order to counter the packs of canines which usually patrol the area?
+
+A couple trekking poles should be all you need plus they will help you along the way.
+
+That is going to take you ALL DAY. Like 20 hrs or so. Hope you are in good shape. I would think more like a marathon runner than a hiker.
+--- 2540310
+>>2540305 (OP)
+On a hike like that 70km equates to around 12-14 hours of constant march (you will need brakes so if you do it in less than 16 hours it will be an achievement), that anon is a right out endurance sport. Given you have no idea how to go about it makes it clear you are not ready to try that, your muscles and ligaments and joints are not ready to try that, and definitely your head is not ready to try that. If you really want to attempt that (which is a stupid idea but doable) the first thing you need to do is get some good hiking shoes (for flat ground i would take trail runners over normal hiking boots) and start walking at least every other day. Maybe, if you start training now, you will be in a shape giving you a fighting chance by August. Maybe. If you do what i suggest you will figure out the technicalities by yourself pretty quickly.
+--- 2540312
+>>2540309
+>location of water sources
+There are none. Maybe a tiny puddle full of musquito larva but thats it
+>A daypack should be fine with minimal supplies
+such as?
+>A couple trekking poles should be all you need plus they will help you along the way.
+Man,the way to there is FLAT. No hills or nothing,flatland.
+I do not have any trekking poles as I have never went to a hilly region where they may be useful.
+>Some electrolyte packets
+I do not know what those are,what they do and I neither know where I can buy them.
+>You'll also want some quick to eat high energy food.
+such as? Should I cook something at home?
+>Hope you are in good shape. I would think more like a marathon runner than a hiker.
+When I get my groceries I can carry 20-25kg bags for 10km as that is the distance between where I am staying and the shop with semi affordable prices.
+--- 2540318
+>>2540312
+>>location of water sources
+>There are none. Maybe a tiny puddle full of musquito larva but thats it
+
+You're going to die.
+
+>>A daypack should be fine with minimal supplies
+>such as?
+
+Osprey Manta
+
+>>A couple trekking poles should be all you need plus they will help you along the way.
+>Man,the way to there is FLAT. No hills or nothing,flatland.
+>I do not have any trekking poles as I have never went to a hilly region where they may be useful.
+
+Trust me, they are useful even on flat land. Bare minimum would be some sort of hiking staff/stick.
+
+>>Some electrolyte packets
+>I do not know what those are,what they do and I neither know where I can buy them.
+
+Pic rel
+
+>>You'll also want some quick to eat high energy food.
+>such as? Should I cook something at home?
+
+Energy bars and sugar candies
+
+>>Hope you are in good shape. I would think more like a marathon runner than a hiker.
+>When I get my groceries I can carry 20-25kg bags for 10km as that is the distance between where I am staying and the shop with semi affordable prices.
+
+That's not bad. Try going grocery shopping twice in the same day. Do that often.
+--- 2540322
+>>2540310
+>you will need brakes
+Why? I have walked for 6 hours continously before and I never needed a break.
+>and start walking at least every other day.
+I walk 20km daily
+>if you start training now
+How? What should I do?
+>trail runners over normal hiking boots
+lol,I have none. I have a pair of chinkshit adidas copy which have carried me for 6 years,all day every day.
+If I was to buy a pair of those,what materials would be best so the shoe would be durable and water resistant?
+>Given you have no idea how to go about it
+I've never done this before as if I go from one point of my city to the other it is 10km,20km if you don't pussy out and take the bus home.
+
+What should I take for the journey? How much should the backpack weigh? Would it be bad if I carried it in one hand so that I can defend myself from attackers?
+--- 2540331
+>>2540318
+>You're going to die.
+Is there anything I can do to prevent dying from dehydration
+>Osprey Manta
+File related although I asked about the supplies not the backpack
+>Trust me, they are useful even on flat land
+why?
+>Pic rel
+What are they used for?
+>Energy bars and sugar candies
+I haven't eaten any sugar since that new years cake slice. Will probably eat some sugar next month as there is someone's birthday then.
+Is there anything other than sugar which fits this role? Does this really have to be carbs? What else which I can easily find at home works? Would going an entire day without eating kill me? 
+>That's not bad. Try going grocery shopping twice in the same day. Do that often.
+Bro,I walk 20km a day minimum. I sometimes walk 40km long walks just for fun.
+--- 2540341
+>>2540322 1/2
+
+>Why? I have walked for 6 hours continously before and I never needed a break.
+Because that shit doesn't scale, as with most endurance shenanigans think exponential, not linear. Keeping a good pace, let's say 5km/h hour after hour will wear you down, and you will need to keep it if you want to make the hike in relatively good conditions.
+>I walk 20km daily
+That is respectable
+>How? What should I do?
+If you are used to walking try doing one longer hike over the weekend, possibly increasing your load gradually, until you are comfortable lugging a reasonable day hike kit
+>lol,I have none. I have a pair of chinkshit adidas copy which have carried me for 6 years,all day every day.
+I am not joking here, at distances like that good foot support is crucial.
+>If I was to buy a pair of those,what materials would be best so the shoe would be durable and water resistant?
+IDK about water resistance, i would prioritize breathability over that, there is no way your feet will stay dry in the rain anyway really. As for durability, pretty much anything non meme from any decent brand will be good enough for what you want, i have a pair of relatively cheap trail runners from Asics and i can't really complain about them so far. Vibram soles beat polymer stuff, good padding (gel or otherwise) is welcome too.
+>I've never done this before as if I go from one point of my city to the other it is 10km,20km
+That's fine, what i meant was more in the aspect of mental preparedness, at some point you just need the attitude to push yourself further, and that comes with experience.
+>What should I take for the journey? 
+That is a very personal thing, the short and convoluted answer is, whatever works for you.
+--- 2540345
+>>2540322 2/2
+>How much should the backpack weigh? 
+Less than you are capable of comfortably carrying for a day, again, depends on your physical fitness. I will add a point here, i often see people throwing out a brand or model as an answer to "what should i get", that's not a great answer, the better one is, visit a decent outdoor shop, have some "load" with you so you can weight down the backpack, and choose what fits your body type well, that's far more important than whatever brand/type/purpose it is.
+>Would it be bad if I carried it in one hand so that I can defend myself from attackers?
+It would probably be pretty bad, asymmetric load will quickly strain your back and well fitted backpack doesn't really limit your movement enough to not let you defend yourself if you really had to.
+--- 2540350
+>Is there anything I can do to prevent dying from dehydration
+
+You are going to go through a lot of water on a hot day hiking that far. Like 4-5 liters. Maybe if it's a rainy day you'll have less trouble. But it's going to be tough without a refill. Unless you want to carry all that water.
+
+>I asked about the supplies not the backpack
+
+Just off the top of my head:
+A small towel or bandanna
+A headlamp (you will be hiking in the dark either at the start or the end or likely both)
+Food
+Toilet kit (TP, hand sanitizer, small trowel to dig a cat hole. just in case)
+Water filter
+Maybe a light jacket or something.
+Med kit
+Power bank to recharge your phone
+Maybe a tarp or poncho or a space blanket in case you have to spend the night out there.
+
+
+>>Trust me, they are useful even on flat land
+>why?
+
+They allow you to use some of the muscles in your arms to propel yourself forward so it's not all on your legs.
+
+>What are they used for?
+
+You put them in with your water to avoid hyponatremia: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hyponatremia/symptoms-causes/syc-20373711
+
+
+>Does this really have to be carbs?
+
+You'll need the energy. Sugar is a quick burst to get you out of a calorie hole. This isn't a time to think of loosing weight. You need calories to push you forward. Carbs can give you those calories quickly. A handful of gummy bears hits you quick and easy to digest on the move.
+
+>Bro,I walk 20km a day minimum. I sometimes walk 40km long walks just for fun.
+
+Ok great. Keep doing that.
+--- 2540354
+>>2540331
+>Is there anything I can do to prevent dying from dehydration
+drink water
+--- 2540355
+>>2540341
+>If you are used to walking try doing one longer hike over the weekend, possibly increasing your load gradually, until you are comfortable lugging a reasonable day hike kit
+I see. When I walk on long walks in my city I don't wear a backpack because why would I. Although those 20 daily km I do carry a heavy backpack with notebooks and the like.
+What should a hike kit include? 2 liters of water and some food. Would boiled oatmeal work? What container should I use for that? 
+>your feet will stay dry in the rain anyway really
+That dosen't bother me that much,but what really bothers me is dust resistance. I hate having black feet when walking for a bit in the country side when wearing shoes made of fabric/running shoes.
+I can walk comfortably for 20km or longer in my leather shoes.
+>whatever works for you
+I was talking about supplies
+>visit a decent outdoor shop
+there is only one outdoor shop in my town and its a meme.
+I have looked online for a big backpack and I found one with the capacity of 80l. Very very cheap,made of polyester.
+>picture
+I have a backpack which I use daily for carrying what I need,I am not sure how big it is,but it is the biggest I have seen at a supermarket,will post a picture of it next reply.
+I am 60kgs at 172cm.
+>doesn't really limit your movement enough to not let you defend yourself if you really had to.
+I can't punch good with a loaded backpack on my back. Throws my balance way off.
+--- 2540357
+>>2540305 (OP)
+Furthest distance I've covered was just under 40mi (65km).
+You should be able to cover the distance within the day, only tips I have are:
+- You'll walk fast at first, after the 20mi mark your legs will start aching and slow down. The final 10mi will be the worst.
+- Eat along the way, make sure not to eat anything too filling or you'll be too tired to finish.
+- I would bring water and refill along the way if possible. You could get away without a pack; a charger, water and snacks can fit in cargo trousers pockets.
+- Bring something to entertain you, the repetitive landscape will bore you early on.
+- Don't do any long walks in the week before, after completing this walk your legs will feel dead for 3-4 days, to the point where you will struggle to walk and possibly fall over.
+- Wear shorts and non restrictive clothing. I wore rugby shorts and a vest with trainers, something similar could work for you
+--- 2540368
+>>2540305 (OP)
+Ctrl+f socks
+Zero matches
+
+NGMI
+--- 2540369
+>>2540357
+>cargo trousers pockets.
+I only have jeans and jorts
+>You could get away without a pack
+would a 80l backpack be overkill?
+>Bring something to entertain you
+I can listen in my head to the last 50 songs I've heard + some random ones which I haven't heard for 2 years or more. Are my thoughts enough? 
+What did you have in mind for "entertainment"? I am walking without nobody else.
+>Wear shorts and non restrictive clothing
+I worked entire days in the 40 celcius summer with regular jeans and a tucket polo tshirt. Somehow I had no overheating issues,didn't even break a sweat despite shovelling sand,carrying concrete,cutting trees down,etcetera.
+Would jeans and a polo shirt suffice?
+>>2540357
+>Eat along the way, make sure not to eat anything too filling or you'll be too tired to finish
+Is it compulsory to eat? What should I eat? In what container should I carry stuff I made home?
+>after completing this walk your legs will feel dead
+Couldn't I walk back home the day after? I will find somewhere to stay and sleep. There is no public transport there and only 3 cars exist in the whole village. The nearest city is 70km away so neither could a taxi come and get me.
+--- 2540373
+>>2540369
+You must be a troll, way to bait.
+I'm not talking about heat when I say wear less restrictive clothing, you will feel better if you do - less strain.
+For food just ear what you like, nuts are good but heavy.
+You would want to weight a day after doing the hike, then you could probably do it on the way back
+--- 2540381
+>>2540373
+>you will feel better if you do - less strain
+I dislike it when I wear loose clothes. Bugs get in and annoy me
+>You must be a troll, way to bait
+Honestly,I am not a troll.
+How am I baiting?
+>food just ear what you like
+How should I carry metal utensils for eating on the go?
+--- 2540386
+>>2540381
+Wear what you want, I've just found loose clothes help more.
+Use your hands or a take a spoon for eating on the go
+--- 2540387
+>>2540381
+>Honestly,I am not a troll.
+
+>How should I carry metal utensils for eating on the go?
+
+Sure you aren't. I'm out. Have fun!
+--- 2540391
+>>2540305 (OP)
+I don't know if any of the anons here mentioned it yet, but I once walked about 55km in one day. Most of it on straight road. My feet were fine if very sore and my legs were weak for a day or so after. Now what fucked me up was my cock had been dangling in my pants rubbing against the fabric so often that the entire tip of it alongside my foreskin was rubbed raw so bad it was bleeding quite a bit afterwards.
+
+So take my advice, do not go commando or with boxer shorts if you do this.
+--- 2540411
+I can’t help you much with the dangers, since I’m an amerilard and just shoot everything that spooks me. But I’m also a distance runner so I’ll share my thoughts about that side of things. 70km is far, but it’s not -that- far. People can and do regularly train to run longer distances in worse conditions. Since you’re already doing 20km/day you’ve got a good start. If I were you I’d keep up with the 20km per day, then add in longer days once per week, building those up slowly to 50km. Increase the distance slowly, and every third week decrease it slightly (for example 25 km, then 28 km, then 24 km, then 27 km, …). I followed a plan like this to train for ultramarathons, but I’ll also point out that I had aid stations with those and I’m not out in the heat for as long. You should plan on staying very early while it’s still cool. And if you’ve trained enough you’ll have enough experience to figure out how much time, food, and water you’d need. You could look find a bunch of ultramarathon training plans online, then just adapt for your purposes. Notably you care about the distance more than the speed. Perhaps instead of speed training you could carry a bunch of extra weight.
+--- 2540433
+>>2540387
+>Sure you aren't
+I haven't went on hikes where I had food on me.
+I walk only in my city,with only my phone,keys and wallet on me.
+--- 2540443
+>>2540355
+>will post a picture of it next reply
+I couldnt fulfill my promise but this will have to do.
+--- 2540782
+>>2540386
+And what do I put the spoon in? Would a multitool work? I have one with a fork and a spoon but it has a taste of metal so it isnt stainless steel.
+I was looking for a method for them to stay clean so I don't get food poisoning
+--- 2540802
+>>2540391
+Commando is the best if you have appropriate clothes and a supply of ass powder™.
+--- 2540840
+>>2540802
+What does commando mean in this context?
+Military guy?
+--- 2540849
+>>2540840
+It means freeballin anon, let your junk breathe.
+--- 2542163
+>>2540350
+>Like 4-5 liters.
+How could I carry that in a 30l backpack?
+--- 2542166
+>>2540350
+>A headlamp
+Would a hand held flashlight work?
+--- 2542169
+>>2542163
+Carry it Inna jug in yo hand dawgy g
+>>2542166
+Yeah for real
+--- 2542172
+>>2540350
+>Toilet kit (TP, hand sanitizer, small trowel to dig a cat hole. just in case)
+Can't I just poop on the road? The field beside road is filled with tall grass which reaches my waist
+>Maybe a light jacket
+I can spend 4 hours during 14celcius temperatures with just a tshirt on and be fine
+>Water filter
+Why? 
+>Med kit
+I have one with just bandages,like a car medkit which is mandated by law to have in your automobile
+>Maybe a tarp or poncho or a space blanket in case you have to spend the night out there.
+There are lots of bugs there,how shall one spend the night in such a place?
+--- 2542197
+>>2540368
+nu-/out/ doesn't go outside
+--- 2542276
+>>2542197
+Man,I just never went on a hike this big.
+Normally I just go on long walks in my city. I have never needed another pair of socks.
+--- 2542343
+>>2540305 (OP)
+I guess you are serious about doing 70km on the same day.
+Your clothes should be:
+>Antiblister socks
+Blisters sucks even more when they get skinned and start bleeding, get some good socks. A cheaper solution is wearing a thin sock, and then a thicker one. It's gonna be hot, so bring at least another pair so you can change to the fresh ones.
+>Sporty shorts
+Similar to the antiblister socks. Get some shorts/briefs that won't irritate your groin/legs due friction because you walked a shit-ton. Again, bring another one so you can change to the clean ones.
+>Cap/Hat
+As you said, Sun is in full-power on August. Protecting your face/neck is important. Choose a boonie hat if you can with a lace for your chin.
+>Sporty Trainers, Hiking Boots, trekking shoes
+You want something that has good cushion. Your main objective is avoid your knees getting fucked up, also stabilize your walking to avoid spraining your ankles. Use them for a week at least to break in before going for the 70km walk.
+>Summer trousers and shirt
+Trousers that are lightweight and comfortable, your average jogging pants should do the job. Shirt with good breathability. Get another one for changing after hours sweating.
+Cont.
+--- 2542345
+>>2542343
+Also, bring money and your mobile phone, fully charged. Now, on your backpack:
+>Water
+Knowing that there are no fountains or streams, carry at least 3 liters of fresh water. I dare to say that you should try to bring even more, 5 or 6. Carry it the way you want. Water canteen, camelback...The easiest way is one or two liters plastic bottles. Do not be afraid to bring 5 or 6 liters.
+>Food
+Apples and oranges (fruits in general), those will help you to hidrate and obtain a small but quick amount of energy. Curated meat, cheese and bread, make sandwiches so you don't have to stop for cooking. If you wanna cook, bring an alcohol/gas stove and canned food (or a small pot for boiling soup/stew); be wary, this is extra weigh. Sweets like gummy bears and peanuts will give you energy, but also make you thirsty. How many? I don't know, I would bring at least food enough for one day.
+>Spare clothes
+Said before, an extra pair of socks, another shirt or t shirt and another briefs. It's summer, but just in case, put them on a closed plastic bag, the minimum to protect them from possible rains.
+>Medkit
+Something easy to use. At least bandage and desinfectant(alcohol) for cuts and bleeding. Medical tape for the blisters and the bandages. Some medicines like ibuprofen for possible pains. Learn how to use them.
+>Map (and possibly a compass)
+I am sure you already know the way, but in case you get lost or slow and night hits on, map will help you find nearest place to get help or take cover. Use your smartphone, but paper map and compass will always work because those don't use batteries. Learn to navigate land.
+>Flashlight with spare battery
+Anything, ideally some headlamp because it will let you hands free.
+>Rain jacket
+Just in case. A light one, no need for a winter jacket. If no rain, you can use it for cutting wind or as an improvised blanket.
+>Paper towel/wipes
+Keep your arse clean.
+>Sun-protecting lotion
+30º protection is enough unless you are a pale one.
+Cont.
+--- 2542346
+>>2542345
+These are optional, but will make your life easier if things go south or you are not capable to make the 70km in the same day:
+>Water filtering
+This can be a whole world, and also will be useless if there is no water source in the nearby. Water purifier tabs will kill microbes from water. Water filters can do that (sometimes) and also filter impurities like sand or vegetals. The best way to clean water is boiling it first and then filter with active carbon filters, but that's slow and sometimes expensive.
+>Blanket/sleeping bag
+Sure, summer is fucking hot, but this will make easier to sleep on the ground. Combine it with a sleeping pad/mattress.
+>Rain-proof tarp with some ropes and pegs. 
+For improvising some cover, use trees or bring poles. Ropes with carabiner are easier to use. Learn to make a tent.
+>Insect repelant
+Get this one from a Chemist/Drug store (or if you dare, from a pet shop). Mosquitoes, flies and ticks suck a lot.
+>Walking cane/Trekking poles
+Not a must-have, but will make easier to improvise a tent with the tarp. Trekking poles will make easier to distribute your weight when walking, alleviating the effort made by your legs. Also, a last resort weapon against wild dogs.
+>Plastic bags
+For organising your stuff and possible protection from the rain (you could also use a raincover for the backpack). Consider using a small one for your rubbish (i.e. food envelopes, used wipes), dropping rubbish when /out is uncivilized. 
+>Sewing kit, duck tape and a lighter
+This one can be questionable, but weights next to nothing and will help you to patch up any damage you can get in your backpack or clothes.
+>Knife/Cutlery
+A pocket one, for cutting bandage or ropes. Even scissors. If you are eating from tin can, bring a way to open it and at least a spoon.
+>Toiletry
+Besides the toilet paper and wipes, small towel,some deodorant or soap and teethbrush with dental paste. Just if you wanna stay higienic after 70km under a hot summer sun.
+Cont.
+--- 2542348
+>>2542346
+Some final comments: 
+>Backpack
+A 30L backpack could fit all the stuff said before. Try to fit everything in the backpack and to go for a small walk to check how it goes: weigh distribution, closing/opening lid and zippers when full, comfort, reliability... If you struggle to keep everything inside, go for a bigger one. Above 50L in my opinion is quite overkill. Technically, you could even go without a backpack and carry only a gallon bottle full of vater, but that's risky and stupid.
+>Weight
+Try to keep the weight on your backpack below 15 kilograms, 10 kilograms would be better. The idea is to put the least effort on your knees. Do not drop essential stuff like water or medkit for saving weight. Pack light, but pack clever
+>Walking breaks
+Try to walk around 50-60 minutes and then sit down and relax your legs for 5-10 minutes at least. Maybe you are able to walk 4 hours straigh, but you are walking 70km, and in the case that you are walking at 5km/hour nonstop, it would take you 14 hours, overexersizing your muscles are a risk for injuries. Let your muscle relax so they won't fail you in the middle of the trail. 
+>Time
+Schedule your departure at least one hour before Sunrise, so you can get a fresh start. You could try to do at night, but not worth it if you are going to have troubles navigating the land in the darkness.
+>Keep somebody in touch
+Tell somebody, anybody, that you are going to be out of home for at least a day. Tell where you are going and when you are coming back. Do not try to go out without no telling. Stay in touch via mobile phone in case you get lost or injured and can't keep going on.
+>Training
+Do legs and back exercises, train resistance, do some cardio. Practice walking without weight, try to go for long distances, do not overexert yourself, specially the week before going 70km.
+--- 2542349
+>>2542348
+Well, that's it. Sure there are some things that can be added, but I hope this can help for anyone that wanna walk long distances.
+--- 2542362
+>>2540305 (OP)
+>hiking poles
+>tons of water + water filter
+>food
+>hat
+>trail runners
+>headlamp
+>windbreaker 
+that's it, assuming you have where to sleep when you arrive.
+
+Question, were those restrictive laws a thing already before you becoming part of EU?
+--- 2542380
+>>2540305 (OP)
+>FYI in Romania,owning a gun as a nonpolitician or police officer is impossible.
+never live in a country where this is true. you can only wait for other nations to liberate you if your government goes foul, and most are more likely to plunder.
+--- 2542523
+>>2542362
+>Question, were those restrictive laws a thing already before you becoming part of EU?
+Honestly?
+I don't know for sure about the knife part. 
+But for owning a gun,you can bet that they were illegal.
+My dad told me that one time when he was walking at 8pm,some militiamen(police officers before 1989) stopped him. Theynasked him for his documents and right out of the sudden before even being able to show them one pistol whips him in the back of the head. He falls,they kick him in the head and under the sides of the ribcage(probably going for his liver) until he was unconscious. He wakes up in the middle of the day in the same place they left him to see his wallet,watch,shoes,pants and belt stolen and that he was wet all over.
+So probably the laws were just as shit if no shitter then.
+--- 2542524
+>>2542380
+>most are more likely to plunder.
+Plunder what,concrete rubble? broken windows? Some miniscule amount of copper cables(not stolen by the locals because they were electrified and could not be cut open with the bolt cutter)?
+--- 2542802
+>>2542380
+>never live in a country where this is true.
+Where have you live then?
+--- 2542848
+>>2540305 (OP)
+Hey anons. I'm also about to do a similar hike, although opposite conditions. I need to travel around 180km, I am pretty broke, and public transportation is not an option. I'm in good shape, although I am not experienced in camping much. It will be around -1 to -10, although there are many stops along the way with population centers. I have running shoes and steel toe boots, a Walmart sleeping bag rated for 10 Celsius (lol), a butane lightweight camping stove, 
+A tent (6 person, heavy as fuck, I'm sure that'd kill my spine by the end of it). For backpack options i have 1: a normal backpack from high-school, and a pizza delivery bag that i stole from my pizza delivery job a couple years ago. I can kind of wear the pizza bag as a backpack albeit uncomfortable. I'm going to try to modify it to be comfortable and not spine shattering, maybe add some straps if possible? I'm aware this is stupid, but I have no choice. Any advice is appreciated. I feel I'll be alright temperaturewise for the walk, but I'm not sure about sleep?
+--- 2543214
+>>2542848
+Have a bump,this interests me as well
+--- 2543223
+I did an 88km hike last summer. Here are my tips, 
+>Start early, it's easier psychologically if you're there for sunrise and sunset
+>Do a couple of longer walks in the run-up (>30km)
+>Pack a lot of food, make yourself eat every 30-60 minutes (closer to 30 toward the end), this'll be tough when you're not hungry but if you don't, you'll bonk
+>Good foods: nuts, bananas, Snickers
+
+90% of this is going to be about the condition of your feet and, at some point, you're going to hit a foot pain wall you have to just get through, but: 
+>Buy blisterpacks (Compeed is the best I've found) 
+>Get good quality socks and make sure you change them regularly (get a few pairs, dry the ones you're not wearing on the outside of your bag) - Darn Tough is the best brand I've tried
+>Pack as light as you possibly can to make it as easy for your feet as possible (this won't be easy for you because you'll need to carry lots of water)
+--- 2543892
+>>2543223
+>>Do a couple of longer walks in the run-up (>30km)
+Is there a number to do before the big hike? 
+Do I have to carry a heavy backpack on my shoulders?
+What do you mean by run-up?
+--- 2544694
+>>2543223
+>Pack a lot of food
+What homemade food could I bring with me?
+--- 2544706
+>>2542848
+>It will be around -1 to -10
+>10c sleeping bag
+At best you're gonna shiver, awake all night at worst you will freeze with that setup. Find a warmer option. Get some kind of sleeping mat to keep you up off the ground also. Even a thin piece of foam is better than lying directly on the ground when it comes to warmth.
+>6 person tent
+If that's all you've got then you'd probably be better off just taking the rain fly from it and some cordage to set it up like a tarp.
+>Steel toe boots
+Do not try to cover that distance in steel toes.
+As for your backpack situation unless you can sew actual shoulder straps and maybe even a hip strap onto the pizza bag you're better off with the bookbag.
+
+My honest advice? I'd you have no way of improving your gear situation then it's probably best to reassess and find a better way to cover that distance.
+--- 2545655
+>>2540305 (OP)
+
+I once hiked 70 KM(there and back) in 14 hours on an empty stomach(had only 1 carrot, was fasting and taking antihelminths). My legs were raw af after that. Couldn't walk normally for 2 weeks.
+--- 2546010
+>>2540305 (OP)
+--- 2546145
+>>2540305 (OP)
+Take the quarterstaff pill and see if you can get a small cheap spearhead to fit on top of it. Or at least hammer some metal caps onto the ends to make it more hurty. But otherwise bring a small knife, wet wipes, water filter, a lighter, socks, comfortable clothes (baselayer, midlayer, top layer and a wind/water resistant layer), hammock+ tarp.
+--- 2546290
+>>2540305 (OP)
+You are going to want to start walking a couple of kilometers a day toughen up your feet.
+There wont be much skin left on the otherwise
+--- 2547053
+>>2540305 (OP)
+I have done something similar a few years ago walking about 95km in a day on flat terrain and with good conditions tough. 
+
+Here are my tips : 
+_Travel light, if I recall correctly i only had a backpack with a few kgs of food and water
+_Be comfortable hiking something like 40km without feeling exhausted
+_Bring some music and podcasts to pass the time
+_Of course, wear comfortable hiking shoes
+_Take small brakes every 10kms 
+_If your muscles are too sore from walking, try to run at small pace. At around 85kms, walking was too painful for me so I started to run making the pain much more bearable.
+
+Good luck
+--- 2547380
+I just went back from a 40km run/hike from 8pm to 3am.
+The idea was to train for a marathon but halfway through my feet began killing me and I couldn't run anymore.
+This was honestly in my top 5 most painful experiences in my whole life (besides illnesses I never did anything as painful voluntarily).
+Once I reached the 20km mark I was committed because there are no buses around those parts at night and I didn't bring my phone to call a taxi.
+Even though I warned my mom I'd be out for a while, she got worried and if I wasn't back by 5am she was gonna go to the cops (and leave me locked out of the house because I didn't bring a key).
+I only got back by resting every couple hundred meters on bus stops, and untying my shoes and tying them to the other strings on the same side as losely as possible so I wouldn't trip.
+For hydration I brought a cheap camelback I bought years ago but I had it tuned up from a couple previous runs, otherwise it'd be even more hellish to adjust all the straps while also dealing with my feet.
+Up to km 15 it was pretty fun. Which is weird because on my previous runs 15km was grueling. Lately been running at day though but today I wanted to get a run in since I've been busy and I wanted to make it count... maybe a little bit too much.
+If your motivation is too high then you're gonna come crashing at full speed against your physical limits.
+So if you want to train your pain tolerance then go without much training and without an easy way to quit. If you don't want to have a grueling painful experience then train very gradually and always have a way to quit.
+Honestly I didn't think it was gonna be that bad but I don't mind what happened because I was never in that much actual danger, only extreme discomfort that I had to push through but that only makes you stronger.
+After two strong ibuprofen pills the pain mostly went away for now. In a few hours I'm supposed to go to work lol we'll see.
+I'm too weak for the david goggins "earned this pain" crap.
+--- 2547443
+>>2547380
+>>2547380
+How fat are you?
+I am 130lbs at 5'8
+FYI I am a man,if you think that my weight and height resemble a woman's
+--- 2547457
+>>2547443
+176cm 71kg
+--- 2547661
+>>2544706
+Found a better way. Still had to sleep in -16 with the sleeping bag for a night in a car, but was able to scrounge up the cash for a bus. The bag worked quite nicely actually, but it probably would've killed if I had actually had to walk the distance. And yeah, I only brought the tarp part of the tent, left the pegs. Bag was still heavy as fuck though
+
+Picrel is bag lol
+--- 2547843
+>>2547661
+Idk why, or what, but I was picturing something different when you said pizza bag. Good to see you made it tho.
+--- 2547850
+If it's 40 degrees Celsius out you're going to get heat stroke and die probably. Youd need to bring 5 litres of water with you but not all to drink, some just to pour on a clothe wrapped around your head so the evaporation keeps you cool. You can die from dehydration, you can also die from over-hydration, this is what the electrolyte powders are for, they are salts that you lose through sweating.. it makes you thirsty but your body really needs these special salts, if you lose too much of the salts drink too much, the water will go to your brain where it is more salty, causing it to swell and you can die. Also if you lose salts you can get crippling muscle cramps which will leave you in agony unable to move . 
+
+Really this walk sounds very dangerous and too long, there are so many things you may need to run from but you may be running very low on energy by the time you encounter one of them. 
+
+Really as another anon said if you have to ask and dont know what electrolytes are, there are other important things that you are too naive about at this stage. 
+
+What you need to do is do similar walks up to august, increasing the length alongside the increasing heat and learn along the way. 
+
+You talk about walking 10-20km in the city, try walking 20km to 30km in the country now before you even dream of doing 70km in august in the heat .
+--- 2547851
+>>2547850
+More water than that actually. There are guidelines on this. Also make sure to tell people what you are doing and where and when you are going so they know if you go missing to call someone to look for your ass. Also where are you going to stay? And dont bring sugar packets bring normal food
+Also could you just mountain bike instead would be more realistic and fun
+--- 2547881
+>>2540312
+--- 2547886
+>>2547661
+Amazing. Glad you made it anon. Can I ask what situation or choice led you to have to do this? Are you American?
+--- 2548004
+>>2547886
+Thanks! Canadian. Had to sell my car to pay a speeding ticket before I could join the air force, in a pretty weird living situation while I wait for them to send me off. The reason I had to travel is that I had to take the CFAT, but the only location where I could do so was about an hour or so away (driving) and I didn't have a way back.
+>>2547843
+lol yeah I guess I wasn't very descriptive. I used to work as a pizza delivery driver and when I forgot a delivery bag in my car, when I quit they never asked for it back and I'm pretty sure they got new ones anyways so I just never gave it back. For a while I used it to hold my highway emergency kit, its a great bag, surprisingly. The insulation helps to keep my back straight so I'm not hunching with who knows how much weight on my back.
+--- 2548103
+>>2547851
+>mountain bike
+Never had a bike
+--- 2548147
+>>2540305 (OP)
+I once walked 50km and it took me half a night and whole day. And I was acustomed to 30km walks with backpack almost every weekend. That was probably because I had no sleep that night. I imagine if I started rested this could be 60km easily and then I would drag myself the remaining distance because out of spite. Those days are long gone though
+--- 2548163
+How the hell is this nibba going to survive with just 2-5 litres of waters (as some of you have suggested) for a 70 km walk in fucking 40 degrees? Since he is Romanian he is of course a poorfag and can't afford camel backs, so his best option is fall back on the national sport of robbing. In this case, long before you start your hike you should rob a fellow hiker, your best bet are tourists. Watch for long drinking straws going from his backpack and attached to the carry straps that is easy access to his mouth. If you are lucky you will score one 2 litre camel back. If the Romanian shitskin gods of robbery and horsefucking smile on you he will have two 3 litre camel backs. Stash as many as you can, preferably so it adds up to 10-12 litres at least. You are going to look like a retard but that comes with being a filthy Romanian in the first place. A half litre bottle of soda for quick energy, one camel back with electrolytes, the others with water. Tortillia wraps with peanut butter and jam for quick energy. 
+
+Good luck, I hope you gypsy fuck die along with your whole country.
+--- 2548648
+>>2548163
+Bro,nobody goes where I am going
+There are absolutely 0 tourists
+I honestly don't even know how peanut butter tastes like as I've never seen it
+The fuck is a camel back?
+--- 2548778
+>>2548648
+Learn to use google, gypsy.
+--- 2548860
+>>2540305 (OP)
+Hello, memory. Also where the fuck in Romania do you get 40 degrees celsius in August? I know of very few cases. As for shit you can carry, you live in Romania, not in the fallout franchise. Just bring a knife with you if you feel like it. No policeman is gonna give you shit for it if you say you're going /out/. As other anons said, get some high energy food, have a look at any water sources nearby and pack light. Don't be so worried about randos , be worried about your own ability to get there. Happy walking.
+--- 2549235
+>>2548860
+>Hello, memory.
+What?
+--- 2549577
+>>2540305 (OP)
+why don't you just bicycle through 
+walking is so inefficient in flat terrain
+--- 2549628
+>>2549577
+I don't own a bicycle
+--- 2550253
+>>2548860
+>Also where the fuck in Romania do you get 40 degrees celsius in August
+South of the carpathians,that's for sure
+--- 2550296
+>>2548860
+All registered temperatures are done so in the shadow. 40°C is very commonly felt all over Romania. Southern Romania in July-August is similar to Nevada in September
+--- 2550302
+>>2549628
+take atleast a liter of vodka with you, that will save yoy many liters of water in the long run and you will walk faster too
+if there is water on the way all the better you can top off then
+--- 2550309
+>>2550302
+Its dry wasteland bro
+--- 2550312
+>>2550309
+as i said it will save you many liters of water in the long run, most people hike while drunk and save water at the same time
+--- 2550680
+>>2550302
+>>2550312
+Why would being drunk save water
+if anything it dehydrates you
+--- 2550949
+>>2550680
+Probably trying to kill me
+--- 2551932
+>>2550302
+Why?
+--- 2552565
+Op ...
+--- 2554050
+Bumping
+--- 2554376
+>>2554050
+This fucking thread. /out/ jannies ban me for telling the truth but let this thread exist. Please fuck yourselves, jannies.
+--- 2555209
+>>2554376
+What truth do you have to tell, weary traveller?
+--- 2555260
+>>2540305 (OP)
+Bagami-as pula-n ma-ta de LARP prost si handicapat. 
+Nu calci din casa cu anii si te plangi de carbohidranti zahar si alte tampenii.
+Cainii aia cu rabie sa o sa te manance ca nu ai conditie fizica si probabil alergi ca o pizda.
+Las-ai sa te omoare, nu o sa iti duca nimeni lipsa.
+--- 2555263
+>>2540305 (OP)
+70km is too much
+--- 2555264
+>>2555263
+Bullshit. I say it's not too much enough.
+--- 2555588
+>>2547380
+Since I recovered surprisingly well last time (in about 2 days the pain was almost gone) I'm thinking I might do this again today, or leave it for tomorrow morning so I can come back during daylight, but in that case I have to wake up really fucking early. Like at 3 am, and then push myself to keep running and ignore the excruciating pain.
+Because it is really fucking sketchy running in the middle of the night through rural roads.
+Last week I went out for a run and my nipples began to hurt at like the 10km mark so I'll have to put some kind of tape over them and carry bandaids with me.
+--- 2555819
+>>2555588
+I did it and holy shit, I am so proud of myself.
+Apparently I went from a 7:00 to a 4:25 in less than a month.
+I cheated a little because I chugged painkillers on the way, and I added a bit of salt and potassium to my water, but still. I did it fasted as well, don't remember the last time I ate but at least 15 hours.
+I think the snake juice saved me from a cramp. I felt some weird twiches on the back of my leg, so I gulped down the water and it went away.
+--- 2555827
+Get a fucking bicycle
+--- 2557579
+LOL, what a fag
+--- 2559388
+>>2540305 (OP)
+>>2540309
+>>2540310why are you larping everyone is obese here
+--- 2561908
+>>2560329
+>Can’t help you with the walk but for the dogs, perhaps carry some firework you can use to scare them off?
+They are RABID,meaning they have RABIES
+The only way to solve this problem is to kill them or do something so their legs don't work
+>Otherwise throwing stones and carrying a staff would be your best bet.
+Stones are rare as the locals have all stolen them off the very limited number of gravel roads in that region which is supposed to be 3 but in actuallity has only some small pockets of stones 
+What kind of staff? (Which also won't get me in trouble with the local police)
+--- 2562366
+>>2561908
+I've made stones out of mud. Just bake at 375 for an hour.
+--- 2564077
+>>2562366
+There are only mud ovens here
+--- 2564152
+>>2540305 (OP)
+Make a gun. If a cop gives you shit just shoot him. Thats what guns are for after all.
+--- 2564828
+>>2540433
+After half the hike you have passed the PONR and the last third will be worse than the two before, so be sure that you could stand that distance. 
+Be, at least, comfortable to do your grocerie hauls thrice a day.
+Olives are probably good to go for you, maybe cheese
+--- 2564870
+Don't know if anyone mentioned this above but if you come along houses or people you can just ask them for water. Almost everyone will give some to you.
+--- 2564993
+>>2564870
+If you touch my gate i will blast your balls off.
+--- 2565006
+>>2548648
+>Europe
+>no tourists
+Lmao
+--- 2565009
+>>2555260
+Aspru dar corect
+--- 2565010
+>>2540355
+OP your pivot to self defence scenarios when discussing what gear you should be carrying is completely retarded. Tell me who do you think is after you that they will ambush you without you being able to take off your backpack.
+
+Don’t get me started on the trek poles to fight away wolves. Who are your opps brother?
+--- 2565022
+>>2542848
+>temperature will be -1 to -10
+>” Walmart sleeping bag rated for 10 Celsius”
+
+abort mission, this is your last hike John Doe. I will see your pictogram in the nudey mag
+--- 2565122
+>>2565022
+>August
+> 40° days
+>-10° nights
+In Romania? Doubt.
+--- 2565201
+>>2548648
+>I honestly don't even know how peanut butter
+How come? Even in Romania, unless you are in the sticks, you should see it at any supermarket. 
+How backwards is your country really?
+A camelbak is just a rubber bladder that people use to carry water and honestly it sucks sucking water through a straw.
+You're better off with individual water bottles, but desu you don't need 12L of water for a 70K hike. Assuming you maintain a pace of 5kmh you should finish it in less than 18h so that's a day of walking, 8L should be more than enough and safe.
+
+Seriously disregard people telling you to carry lots of stuff, you want to go as light as possible to reach your destination as fast as you can. Carry water, food, some small sugar/salt packets, a hat, comfortable footwear and get going.
+
+If the terrain is flat then that distance is pretty achievable, if no protection at all from the sun maybe carry an umbrella, it works as dog protection too.
+
+Also post maps or photos of the area. Good luck.
+--- 2566440
+>>2540331
+>>Trust me, they are useful even on flat land
+>why?
+The wild dogs you retard
+--- 2566530
+>>2547443
+>if you think that my weight and height resemble a woman's
+They really do. How the fuck do you live your life like that? Have you ever managed to sleep with a woman without paying her first?
+--- 2566534
+>>2566530
+59kg at 173cm is indeed light weight, but not out of the ordinary for young people. He'll grow, don't worry.
+--- 2566631
+>>2566440
+alternatively he could use one of those ultrasound devices, they are quite efficient at least against solitary watchdogs
+--- 2568005
+>>2565122
+There aren't any walmarts in Romania
+--- 2568020
+>>2566631 he is a troll

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+-----
+--- 2540957
+Do you guys hunt with PCP airguns or take them with you when you go outside?
+What airgun do you have or what it's your favorite?
+I'm planning on buying one to hunt rabbits and some birds.
+--- 2541063
+got me a co2 going to upgrade it with a 20" barrel and a stock to make it a little rifle with a scope.
+--- 2541075
+>>2540957 (OP)
+Airgun hunting is max comfy. I hunt rabbits with a .177 FX Cyclone and JSB Monster 13.4gr.
+--- 2541282
+Why air guns ?
+As a cucked European i have no idea.
+Are there advantages to regular guns or is it about laws ?
+--- 2541284
+>>2541282
+Air guns are not firearms in law, so you can get away with a lot more.
+My air rifle has a suppression system built into it, it sounds like a cough when I fire it.
+I use it to kill rabbits mostly.
+--- 2541310
+>>2541282
+There is no advantage a PCP has over 22lr that isn't based on the fact that they are not legally firearms. The guns are more expensive and the cost of filling tanks or buying special compressor far outweigh the cost of a 22lr. You're looking at like $6-8 hundred initial investment plus running cost for entry level PCP. I'd love one but the cost just doesn't work out unless you live in some overly restrictive shithole. They do look very fun tho. I have a springer and a piston and that will likely be it for my air gunning unless the price comes down significantly and given the economies of scale I don't see that happening.
+--- 2541471
+>>2541310
+>Special compressor
+Imagine being such a beta cuck that you don't own an air-compressor or pneumatic tools. 
+>>2541284
+This. You can buy an Airforce Texan that is basically a sniper rifle with zero firearm restrictions and you can even get fully auto PcP. It's a massive loophole in the liberal retardation referred to as "gun control"
+--- 2541475
+>>2541282
+Air guns are much cheaper per-round and if you live within the city limits there are less legal penalties for firing them at things like Starlings, crows and rats. The PCP rifles can be suppressed so they're usually quieter and PcPs have are cheaper if you already have a compressor (like every real man should).
+--- 2541483
+>>2541475
+>>2541471
+You can't pump these PCP guns with a normal air tool compressor dumbass. That's why ppl need to take it to a dive shop or have one of those high pressure expensive compressors that are like 500 bucks to fill. If they did work off your little craftsman compressor then of course they'd be more popular than they are.
+--- 2541495
+>>2541483
+>or have one of those high pressure expensive compressors that are like 500 bucks to fill
+>calls someone else a dumbass
+A vertical compressor with good pressure is exactly what he's referring to, moron. Guys who are handy and who don't live in tiny efficiency pods in the middle of a concrete wasteland will nearly always have a vertical, high-pressure compressor. Your reference to a dive shop alone (an auto garage would do) is a dead giveaway of a west coast urbanoid with no life or practical skills.
+
+- t. working engineer/fabricator
+--- 2541502
+>>2541310
+>or buying special compressor
+LMAO
+thee things are like 40 dollars in aliexpress, are very easy to use and have good quality
+--- 2541503
+>>2541483
+>You can't pump these PCP guns with a normal air tool compressor dumbass
+Retard, I've been using these things for like 7 years and use these >>2541502
+Now I have a venturi avenger and works fine
+--- 2541520
+>>2541503
+>>2541502
+How much time does it take you to pump up to usable pressure? How many shots do you get per charge?
+--- 2541521
+>>2541483
+>I am poor, don't know anything about tools and am a beta-cuck
+>>2541495
+Based compressor chad.
+--- 2541523
+>>2541520
+It varies by rifle/caliber. 
+It will tell you in the rifle specs.
+--- 2541532
+>>2541495
+Those standard shop compressors are like a couple hundred psi at best. Not suitable for PCP filling. Now go look at the price of a compressor that meets the pressure requirement for PCP. Regardless you retards are proving my point in that even if the common shop compressor was usable how many fucking ppl have access to one such that it makes owning a PCP cheaper than a 22lr? Even if you buy entry level everything you could get a very nice rimfire for the price.
+--- 2541549
+>>2541532
+>I'm poor
+You can get a high pressure air compressor for like 300 USD. The hand pump is like 40 bucks. 
+10,000 rounds of .22LR averages $700 USD
+10,000 rounds of .177 pellets averages $150 USD
+
+Basically I can buy a PcP and a high pressure air compressor for less than you'll pay in ammo and then I can charge Scuba and Paintball fags to fill up their shit and eventually the compressor will pay for itself.
+--- 2541577
+>>2541520
+20 minutes of pumping for 20 shots. After that pellet have less power and are not really flying where you want them.
+
+Btw. you should not pump it fast because pump can overheat and wont last long. 
+
+Good PCP airgun costs like 800€. Then you can either buy pump for another 150-200€ or air bottle for 300-400€. Then you need to find someone who will fill it obviously.
+
+So yeah, PCP will solve the recoil and noise of 400€ springer but replace it with other obligations.
+
+https://youtu.be/7qcdDazxxXY?t=306 [Embed]
+--- 2541579
+>>2541577
+Also, good luck shooting something after going through gym
+--- 2541594
+>>2541577
+>>2541579
+>€
+Europoor confirmed
+The irony here is you can't even own a .22 in Europe without a costly loicens.
+Your post makes obvious you don't know shit about guns at all.
+--- 2541603
+>>2541594
+Gun license cost 500€ + lets say 1000€ for proper gun that shoots real ammo, its still better deal than buying PCP airgun.
+
+Did you enjoyed your pumping today?
+--- 2541612
+pic related, multipump, it's fun, it's cheap, ammo is cheap, load single hunting pellets if needed
+this won't get outlawed with new laws (in USA)
+--- 2541623
+>>2541612
+cute
+--- 2541652
+>>2541549
+Lol, lmao even. Your best defense is to call me poor while not being able to provide a single evidence that pcp has anything over 22lr, whether that be cost or performance. The only thing PCP has going for it is to be able to say legally it isn't a firearm, which I conceed is a valid concern for some people. But for anyone besides ppl from nations with cucked gun laws it's not worth it and represents paying drastically more for worse in every regard.
+--- 2541653
+>>2541612
+I would prefer a spring/piston over pump. Only place pump makes sense is basement range with bullet trap for indoor fun.
+--- 2541656
+>>2541594
+What counter do you have to his argument besides calling him poor? He has laid out the ridiculous relative cost of getting into even entry level (but still good) PCP. There is literally no benefit other than to avoid legality of dealing with actual firearms.
+--- 2541668
+>>2541653
+multi pump is nice because you can pump once or many times, it's adjustable which I think it's better than spring
+--- 2541671
+>>2540957 (OP)
+I don't know what pcp is, but I used to like the idea of getting these pump-action compressed air rifles. They're cheaper than guns, and don't require any legal shenanigans. I've shot a few and they're strong enough to hunt birds
+--- 2541673
+>>2541671
+Dam I forgot the image
+--- 2541693
+>>2541671
+It stands for pre charged pneumatic it's basically got an air tank just like a paint ball gun.
+--- 2541695
+There are 3 types
+>1) simple like this >>2541673
+you "break" the rifle and only have one shot, you break and reload, very quick and easy
+>2) the one OP posted
+that is charged with these >>2541502 , you can shot an average of 25-30 shots per rifle depending on the pellet and rifle, sometimes those fuckers aren't so easy to charge if you are a sissy
+>3) rifles that use scuba
+pic related, multishots, haven't used those 
+
+
+The calibers are .177 .22 .25 and .30 and 9mm
+In my experience, I have used these 
+
+>.177 you can kill birds and some rabbits if you hit them in the right place but also your rifle needs good fps
+>.22
+perfect for any bird and you can also kill rabbits, foxes, dogs, etc. I've know people that have killed boars and pigs but shooting under the ribs or with a headshot with a powerful rifle
+>.25
+birds are a mess after a shot them if you don't aim for the head. You kill rabits and other small animals no matter where you shoot. Perfect to hunt the same things that using .22 but have much more power and I personally like to use them when it rains or there are too much wind so the traectory isn't affected
+>.30
+massacre birds, to the rest of animals only aim for the head, a boar is no problem for this rifle 
+
+never tried 9mm
+--- 2541707
+>>2541695
+Oh the gamo air rifles that break like that are no longer 1 shot.
+They have a 10 round mag now, standard.
+--- 2541769
+>>2541656
+newfag
+>>2541549<--pcp is cheaper
+>>2541652
+Why are you insist on lying?
+--- 2541788
+>>2541668
+The only thing the pump guns are good for is when you want to piss off your friend or scare the neighbor’s cat. Single pump is much better that 20 pumps.
+
+I like that co2 Crosman 1077 though. Don’t know if they still make them. Not as powerful as the spring piston ones, but it feels like plinking with a cheap .22 short rifle and I took out a opossum with it once.
+--- 2541790
+>>2541495
+>working engineer
+>thinks 150psi vertical compressor is higher pressure than a 150psi pancake compressor
+Weak.
+
+Also it’s kind of gay listening to you guys arguing about this. Air rifles are fun because you can plink a squirrel in a suburban area without getting arrested, also you can convince your mom to get you a 1000fps gun when you’re 14 and tell her it’s just like a Red Ryder.
+--- 2541804
+>>2541790
+Of course air rifles are hella fun. But once you get into PCP it just gets obscene level expensive, where as you can buy a Savage MK II for 300 bucks on a bad day at terrible price. I guess like that one faggot says the price to get into it initially is higher but at some point the pellet gun would end up being cheaper than a 22lr but it would take years to even reach the break even point.
+--- 2541807
+>>2541549
+Shut the fuck up you are not going to start a side business pumping scuba and paintball you utter faggot. Just admit you would pay $500 for the gun and another $300 for the pump at the end of which you will not even come close to holding up to a $800 22lr. Not even a $400 one shooting good ammo. It'd take you years, likely decades to reach the break even point and have the PCP begin to be cheaper.
+--- 2541809
+Ok back on topic what's everybody hunting with? Anybody got experience with the Diana Storm models for shit like squirrel and rabbit?
+--- 2541882
+Also how are you faggots noticing your impact due to low temps or just general temp swings throughout the day?
+--- 2541906
+I've been shooting PCPs for about a year, bought my first PCP last march, since then I haven't stopped, I've gone shooting nearly every odd weekend since then. In the left it's my .22 cal Artemis Pr900 and in the right my .25 cal Effecto PX-5.
+
+>>2541310
+They DO have an advantage though, most PCP air rifles are dead nuts accurate, even the cheapest ones. There's a steep initial investment but after that you can shot for very cheap. 
+
+>>2541502
+Yeah but you get a hell of a workout with anything but the smallest reservoirs. My gun had a 275cc cylinder, and after trying to pump it twice and nearly popping a vein I resigned and bought a tank.
+
+>>2541809
+I have an Artemis PR900 (the same thing really), regulated model, shoots around 22-24 ft/lbs. Mine has been wonderful, very accurate (single ragged hole at 35m), shots decently whatever you put it thru, mine likes JSB 18gr the best, but shoots 15gr JSB and crossman domed decently too.
+--- 2541965
+>>2541804
+I’m with you 50%. Depends on your locale. In Illinois, any air rifle >700fps velocity and >.177cal requires a FOID card, so you’re going through the exact same bullshit as buying a real .22 rifle.
+--- 2541988
+>>2541906
+What advantage does the regulated version give you? How had does the velocity and accuracy drop off between the first and last shot before your air runs out. I saw some posts online that shows the muzzle velocity dropping like several hundred FPS between the earlier and final shots.
+--- 2542007
+>>2541284
+>Air guns are not firearms in law,
+Some one needs to tell the Australian's this.
+--- 2542108
+>>2542007
+Also Canada for anything over 500 fps.
+--- 2542148
+>>2541804
+>PCP is more expensive
+I literally isn't you brain dead retard
+The math is in this thread and you're just straight up stupid.
+You keep repeating the same lie as if it hasn't been debunked.
+>>2541549
+>>2541807
+Just admit you suck at basic math hand haven't even come close to refuting the math that debunks your retarded assertion that PcP is more expensive. It isn't--you're just retarded.
+
+You also keep lying about the prices. so we've established you're a liar and retarded.
+--- 2542154
+>>2540957 (OP)
+Had an FAC one of these in the UK. It's good as it comes apart and fits in my bag, took down some small game but wouldn't use it over an actual rifle
+--- 2542248
+>>2542154
+>UK
+>aktual rifle
+I use the pellet rifle more than anything else because it's cheaper by far and I hunt a lot of invasive species like starlings, crows and rabbits. I also have something most Europeans don't: land and hunting access.
+--- 2542265
+>>2541988
+Flatter shooting curve, which translates into better 'vertical' accuracy. As the pressure drops the velocity of the pellet decreases, giving you a lower POI. Some guns actually shoot faster with a lower pressure than max fill pressure (say, max fill pressure is 250 BAR, but the gun shoots the fastest at 200) because of less resistance of the hammer hitting the valve. 
+
+A regulator "regulates" the air pressure into a lower level (usually 100-130 bar) so more, lower pressure air can be used for shooting. They maintain a more or less equal pressure along the shot string until the tank pressure reaches the regulator pressure.
+
+Nowadays most newer airguns are regulated, it has become standard in the market. One of the few $500+ airguns that are still unregulated is the Benjamin Cayden, but it still achieves a somewhat consistent velocity thanks to other tricks.
+--- 2542281
+>>2542148
+I'm trying to do the math here.
+
+Using American prices and shops:
+
+- FX Dreamline .25 with Walnut stock: $1280
+- 78cu CF Tank: $390
+- 1000 rounds of FX Hybrid Slugs: $128 ($16 each with 2 free from Pyramid Air) $0.128 per round.
+Total: $1798
+
+- CZ 427 Varmint: $650
+- Silencerco Sparrow 22: $299
+- 1000 rounds of Eley Subsonic HP: $199
+Total: $1240
+
+Fixed cost delta is $558
+Recurring cost delta is $7.2 per 100 rounds.
+
+If you shoot 200 rounds every weekend, you'd save in ammo with an air rifle $748,8 a year ($14.4 * 52), meaning in 10 months the air rifle would have been cheaper.
+
+Sure, you can not buy a supressor for the rimfire, but the FX Dreamline comes with a supressor, which does have its advantages. You could shoot cheaper ammo with the 22lr, but so could you with the FX Dreamline, shooting pellets.
+--- 2542285
+>>2542248
+In bong land it absolutely makes sense to get a PCP.
+--- 2542292
+>>2542281
+In burgerand there is also multi month wait times to get a suppressor plus a $200 tax in addition to the cost of the supp. Also fun fact although air guns are not legally firearms on a federal level, in many cities and towns they are considered so and it is technically illegal to discharge them in town, though enforcement probably varies and that depends on who hears or notices in the first place.
+--- 2542303
+>>2542248
+>>2542285
+I was assuming OP was in the US.
+FAC air rifle is the best way to go in the UK, if you get one that can come apart easily then you just throw it in your bag then you can get most game here easy
+--- 2542315
+How does temps affect these guns? Where I am it's not unheard of for like 20 degrees or more of temp swings between early morning and afternoon
+--- 2542317
+>>2542315
+With CO2 there's temperature issues, but I have never noticed any issue in my PCP air rifles.
+--- 2542381
+>>2541906
+PR900 regulated is beautiful, I used it for several years before selling it, I almost bought it again to hunt this season (starts in april) but I think I'm going to buy the M16 5.5 instead.
+--- 2542402
+>>2542381
+Where are you from?
+--- 2542416
+>>2542292
+>he pays the cuck stamp and waits the time
+Lol
+--- 2542423
+>>2541282
+OP can't legally obtain a firearm is the only reason.
+--- 2542426
+>>2542423
+He can buy black powder firearms, if feeling spicy he can get conversion kits to hold modern cartridges.
+--- 2542427
+>>2542426
+Most places you can't just buy black powder though.
+--- 2542430
+>>2542427
+You can have it shipped directly to your door, but you need to use either FedEx or UPS, Fedex IMO, fuck UPS.
+--- 2542700
+>>2542281
+The PcP savings will eclipse the .22lr in two to three years depending on how much you shoot. 200 rounds a weekend is 10,400 rounds a year. I've had my 22 for over 20 years and no contest the PcP cost in that time is exponentially less.
+--- 2542704
+>>2542292
+Most cities have ordinances against hunting or discharging projectiles in the city limits. 
+>>2542416
+>Fedposting
+--- 2542903
+>>2542402
+South america
+--- 2542914
+>>2542903
+I'm from South America as well. Chile?
+--- 2542917
+>>2542914
+Yes 
+are you spying me?
+--- 2542919
+>>2542917
+No. I know our hunting season starts in April, that's all. 
+
+Wanna go hunting? What do you hunt?
+--- 2542945
+>>2542919
+Liebres, caiquenes, pato jergon (they aren't so common in my zone) and some other birds. I know that people in my region has hunted boars and deers but never tried it because I only go for small animals and don't have dogs. I have a rifle 6.35 too and wold like to try but seems like a dumb idea since I need a plan and time to explore new zones.
+I'm from the XI region btw.
+--- 2542955
+>>2542945
+Damn cool, I'm from Santiago so mostly hunt rabbits, tortolas and codornices, around here or a bit further south near Talca. 
+
+I wanna hunt deer sometime, and maybe go to Tierra del Fuego and hunt beavers, that's kinda my dream. I have two air rifles and also I'm buying a u/o shotgun shortly.
+--- 2542962
+>>2542700
+How has your find held up in that time. Do you get caught lacking against the new developments or is it pretty much like rimfire where it's the same shit basically.
+--- 2542963
+>>2542700
+Yeah I'm sure after a few years it's worth it. How often do you have to replace fill tanks and shit I see ppl posting on air gun forums about that shit going bad and compressors being rebuild after a few years too. Honestly the PCP thing seems really cool but it also seems like a lot of additional investment and upkeep
+--- 2542967
+For mostly hunting would something like Diana Storm Rider or Beeman Chief 2 suffice? Or should I pony up some cash for a venturi avenger? I don't care about rate of fire our squirrel limit is only 6 a day so I would be down with whatever is super accurate and light. The flimsy looking barrels on the chief and rider has me worried.
+--- 2542968
+>>2542955
+Very nice. Just noticed the can of cerveza cristal in the pic >>2541906 lmao. I don't know how did I miss that. 
+also, my favorite poston to use with the PR was the JSB of 15gr, best by far in my experience
+You should definitely come to these zones some day, the XI or the XII region, they are beautiful.
+--- 2542971
+So does anyone in this thread actually own and shoot PCP? If you do post em so we can oogle
+--- 2543151
+>>2542971
+yes, the one on the left is one of the most economic and effective >>2541906
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FClBXyXm8s&ab_channel=TyroneMclaren [Embed]
+excellent to small game hunting
+--- 2543463
+>>2541471
+>You can buy an Airforce Texan that is basically a sniper rifle with zero firearm restrictions
+>dude it's so cool it looks like a sniper rifle
+The .50 caliber version can reach 800 ft-lbs, which you can reasonably achieve with .357 magnum from a 6" revolver, and the later will have a flatter trajectory and may hold more rounds in the cylinder than you'd get consistent shots on a single fill with the Airforce Texan. Small bore airguns are cool for cheap shooting, but big bore airguns are absolutely a fucking meme and well beyond the point of diminishing returns.
+--- 2543538
+>>2543463
+>would use the 50 cal
+no, already you have lost all credibility
+The only good 50cal is an M2, the rest are total shit especially the "sniper" rifles in 50 cal. The only people that hunt 50 cal are black powder larpers.
+Please stop talking about guns--you don't know shit about shit.
+--- 2543655
+>>2543538
+You misread the post esl retard. He is saying a 6in 357 mag revolver will btfo any 50 cal air rifle.
+--- 2543729
+>>2543655
+The irony is palpable.
+The post you replied to states that 50cal is a shit caliber to use as a benchmark for anything. The comparison isn't just invalid it outs whoever is even talking about 50 cal as obviously not knowing anything about rifles.
+Feel bad about having a worse reading comprehension than an ESL and feel even worse for talking out your ass about something you clearly know nothing about.
+--- 2544334
+>>2541063
+great, I love these types of guns
+--- 2545956
+bump
+--- 2546980
+what should I buy if I have a budget of 3.000 USD
+--- 2547489
+>>2541790
+Might be off topic from the thread but I'm a carpenter and never understood why they make so many types of air compressor? Used to use a pancake compressor but now I have a little one gallon quiet hot dog for trim jobs and a double cylinder 4 gallon for framing. Why not just make one cylinder? But there's also vertical compressor. I'm more curious than anything
+--- 2547532
+>>2546980
+a rifle
+--- 2547540
+>>2546980
+A nice 22lr and a very nice scope with a shit ton of ammo to go with it.
+--- 2548333
+>>2541671
+>they're strong enough to hunt birds
+I've hunt rabbits with mine as well.
+--- 2548485
+>>2547540
+stop posting 
+your embarrassingly stupid
+--- 2548489
+>>2547489
+The tool companies got together with the compressor companies and decided modular wasn't profitable. The scuba and paintballers use the high pressure and the three levels of the lower pressure are industrial, auto, home and maritime*
+scuba and maritime aren't the same.
+--- 2548498
+>>2546980
+I went over a bit but it's fine
+--- 2548674
+>>2540957 (OP)
+Never owned an airgun before, looking to buy a handgun airgun for casual target practice, my priority is accuracy up to maybe around 80 yards (73 meters), I'd prefer to have one that requires pumping as lugging around and buying CO2 cartridges or another propellant system sounds like a pain and another thing to worry about. Are there any decent options that can be bought brand new for under $120 USD or so? I don't care about the calibre, not going to be hunting.
+--- 2548676
+>>2548674
+(I didn't mean to type 'pumping', in particular. I just meant that I didn't want one that had to be propelled with something that had to be bought and/or carried separately)
+--- 2548988
+>>2540957 (OP)
+Owned many different airguns, PCP, spring and gas-ram. Hunted with them extensively. Picrel (Weihrauch HW95K) is still my favourite for hunting.
+--- 2549000
+>>2548988
+is that... is that a suppressor? 
+on an air gun...?
+--- 2549020
+>>2549000
+Yeah, airguns can be loud as hell. They are not a firearm either, so you can just slap on one if you are in the usa.
+--- 2549033
+>>2549000
+all of them use supressors, pic related for example has it hidden in the barrel
+If I don't use the supressor when I'm hunting my rifle is very loud and the animals can notice me from around 60mts when I shoot
+--- 2549044
+>>2548674
+diana stormrider gen 2 would be the perfect rifle for you because is the best for starters and also cheap
+--- 2549049
+>>2549044
+*the best for starters because
+>simple design
+>the weight its around 4.5 pounds 
+>great accuracy 
+>multishots
+>easy to fill with a pump like >>2541502
+--- 2549384
+>>2541475
+What the fuck are you shooting at random crows for you fucking imbecile?
+--- 2549395
+Fun fact
+Lewis and Clark took an airgun on their famous expedition
+--- 2549406
+>muh suppressors on spring rifles are pointless because when I fire my spring rifle, which has a suppressor fitted, I hear the rifle's internal mechanisms quite loudly.
+
+
+Suppressors don't suppress a rifle's internal mechanisms. They suppress the muzzle report so that you can fire at multiple targets without scaring them away immediately with your first shot.
+--- 2549518
+>>2540957 (OP)
+I sometimes sit in my backyard with an air rifle and shoot at Myna birds pretending I'm a Russian sniper in Bakhmut. I shoot a bird and watch it fall then I say something like "he was denazified" or "myna bird was liquidated in the backyard direction"
+--- 2549871
+>>2549395
+...holy shit.. 
+it's.. 
+...real
+
+http://westernexplorers.us/Lewis-and-Clark-Expedition-firearms-summary.html#:~:text=Lewis%20brought%20an%20%E2%80%9Cair%20gun,also%20mounted%20on%20a%20swivel.
+--- 2550533
+>>2549871
+Girardoni air rifle, yeah. Designed in 1779 by Bartolomeo Girardoni in the Holy Roman Empire. 19+1 capacity.
+--- 2551620
+Co2 Is good
+--- 2551622
+>>2551620
+Oh.. fail...
+--- 2552142
+>>2541310
+>ou're looking at like $6-8 hundred initial investment
+fuck no, you can buy an used PCP for like 200$, if you catually inspect it you can get one that wasn't used at all for that money. And you can get a pump in aliexpress for 50$ that will be enough to fill any pcp up to 230 bar.
+--- 2553032
+am I supposed to use the rifle just on the green zone? I understand that I won't have to fill it until the red zone, but what happens if I shoot when the rifle is in the yellow zone?
+can someone has a video on this or something I could read?
+--- 2553063
+Kral Big Horn .30 cal, yay or nay?
+
+>>2553032
+Yellow zone usually means it has fallen out of the regulator pressure and will shoot with less power... up to the point the pressure isn't enough to overcome barrel friction and you get a squib, but you'd have to shoot until the pellets are literally plopping out of the barrel to have that happen.
+--- 2554501
+>>2553063
+beautiful, one day Im going to buy one of these
+--- 2554512
+>>2549395
+Airguns were around for over 200 plus years before Lewis and Clark..
+--- 2554516
+>>2553063
+I shot something similar at a gun show.
+Asked the guy how much it cost. He told me four and a half grand.
+So I went and bought a gamo for 150 dollars. I only wanted it for rabbits in my yard anyway.
+--- 2554517
+>>2554516
+Might be some Daystate or something, that rifle in particular is like $700-800
+--- 2554519
+>>2554517
+It was a custom job. The scope on it was a grand and a half by itself.
+--- 2554522
+>>2554519
+If you go custom shit can get stupid expensive. Specially for benchrest or field-target. You see guys running top of the line Nightforce scopes on those competitions, and the scope is only a quarter of the price of the whole rig.
+--- 2554554
+Any recommended break action pellet guns for rabbits and squirrels? Preferably in .22
+--- 2554563
+>>2554554
+I like my gamo swarm.
+--- 2554573
+>>2554554
+What's your budget? Rifle and scope?
+--- 2554594
+>>2554573
+he said break barrel.. scope is a no-go. holy shit wish people would stop putting scopes on those things... and put the rear irons/forward irons on the barrel only.. its a weird sight picture but at least you can fucking hit shit....
+--- 2554601
+>>2554594
+There are many "springer rated" scopes. If you put a random cheapo scope it's going to crap out, but if you put a Hawke or a UTG Bugbuster, they are specifically made for spring action air rifles. You need good mounts too, something like a 1-piece one
+--- 2554706
+>>2541063
+I have one of these with a match barrel. It's really accurate, easy to use. But underpowered for anything besides close-ish range. So much drop on the pellet in .22
+--- 2554707
+>>2541673
+>>2541671
+In bigger calibers and heavy-weight pellets these can be strong enough to hunt men, anon.
+--- 2555288
+>>2554601
+In some rifles those mounts don't let you put the magazine, only pellet by pellet
+--- 2555356
+>>2555288
+PCPs have minimal recoil and can use whatever scope.
+--- 2555377
+Airgunner here.
+Some airguns are as deadly as regular firearms.
+Most are gay bullshit, if they cant tell you the calibre of pellet, fps and propulsion its probably shit.
+--- 2556294
+>>2555356
+I didn't mean that. If you use a 1-piece mount in some rifles you can't put the magazine in it so you have to put a single pellet everytime you want to shoot
+--- 2557277
+>>2553032
+Look up regulated vs unregulated
+--- 2557769
+>>2556294
+If your rifle doesn't have a suppressor you only need one shot. Everything scatters after the first round. My pops bought a breach loader (because he's a retarded boomer and totally ignored me) to kill starlings and the thing is loud as fuck.
+--- 2558568
+I've considered getting a suppressed air rifle for plinking cause i don't feel like doing the tax stamp bullshit for suppressors for my .22
+--- 2558844
+Getting this scope tomorrow for my Kral Puncher, good or not?
+--- 2559101
+Imagine buying airgun for the price of .22
+--- 2559733
+>>2559101
+Imagine saying something this retarded in a thread you obviously didn't read.
+--- 2560040
+>>2553063
+Avoid Turkish airguns.
+--- 2560112
+I bought this and I'm nervous
+https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003374697568.html
+this is the first time I buy an accesory like this in the chinese market, I didn't want to buy one in my country because the quality were very similar to chinese scopes but they were too expensive, almost the double even when most of them are from the same brands and hae the same specs
+>>2558844
+That scope looks great, what is the weight of your rifle? and what is the weight of that scope?
+--- 2560171
+>>2560040
+Why? I get the thing about cheap Turkish shotguns from no-name manufacturers, but air rifles are fine. Specially if you buy from well known companies like Kral or Huglu.
+--- 2560231
+>>2560171
+Diana and Airforce are known for quality products and have been in the business for awhile.
+--- 2560506
+>>2560171
+Because you can get Air Arms for the same price.
+--- 2561975
+>>2548988
+what scope
+--- 2561982
+>>2540957 (OP)
+
+I find it's most helpful in colder climates. Puts a little pep in your step
+--- 2562350
+>>2541310
+Personally I prefer my .22 pcp over .22lr, I do a lot of squirrel hunting and .22lr does too much damage to the carcass to do anything with. Plus the added range you get from .22lr isn't gonna matter at the distances you'll be hunting squirrels at.
+--- 2562376
+>>2561975
+Nikon Prostaff EFR 3-9x40. I think their discontinued now. Great scope if you can find one though.
+--- 2562410
+>>2562350
+I'm getting a CZ 457 22lr/17hmr combo rifle after getting ridiculed with the PCP rifle in my latest hunt. We hunt in a vineyard and sometimes rabbits are rally far away, like 200m, I could never close in enough to get a shoot with my .25 cal air rifle. Since it's flat and featureless it's really hard to estimate range, I shoot at like 20 rabbits and got none. Also my rifle is heavy as fuck. 17hmr ought to do the trick.
+--- 2562445
+>>2562410
+That's a valid reason to go with a conventional firearm over a pcp, you have to get equipment that meets your needs. I'm just sick of all the sperging about how PCPs are pointless because 22lr exists
+--- 2563622
+>>2560231
+>Diana
+love diana outlaw
+--- 2565485
+Bump. Buying this rifle this week.
+--- 2566962
+>>2541603
+esl europoo detected

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+-----
+--- 2541591
+I'm not asking /biz/. They're retarded.
+--- 2541593
+>>2541591 (OP)
+Keep it, take it to auction and say you inherited it or that you or a relative (preferably a dead one) bought it in a foreign country years ago, or think of a better fake background. That’s just off the top of my head
+--- 2541688
+>>2541591 (OP)
+If it is marked gold, melt it down and reform into jewelry. Modern gold has radioactive particles in order to indicate origin, so be careful with it.
+--- 2541689
+>>2541591 (OP)
+The one piece is real
+--- 2541720
+>>2541591 (OP)
+You that guy who posted about finding lost gold in some park, and uploaded some video about it?
+--- 2541728
+>>2541593
+This is the correct answer. You can't legally own anything that you find in the ground or in the ocean. You either get to have it as a decoration and conversation piece in your house, or you can try to sell it by claiming
+>my relative died, I was cleaning out their house and I found this
+--- 2541741
+Melt everything I guess, that will destroy and historical value and marks.
+That judge is such garbage. Until judges/attorneys like this start facing personal punishment stuff like this will keep happening.
+--- 2541796
+So much historical gold has probably been melted down because of faggot laws like this. A real shame.
+--- 2541824
+>>2541728
+What if you claim you found it on your own private land? Buy a metal detector, dig some holes in the yard, and pretend it you found it there
+--- 2541835
+>>2541824
+Most civilized countries have cultural and antiquity protection laws. Optimistically, you'd get 50% of value, in cash, but not get to keep anything.
+--- 2541837
+>>2541824
+That's a bad idea because of what the other anon said. Artifacts and historical items in the ground belong to the state or federal government. My state has very strict laws on that kind of thing. Even hunting for them is technically illegal. If you find something here you're better off putting it in a glass case on your wall and showing it to your friends and family.
+--- 2541885
+>>2541593
+Didnt know this about gold but they are also doing this to Rhino horns so the chinks cant get them through airport security.
+--- 2541890
+>>2541591 (OP)
+Don't fucking tell anyone. Separate it into different locations that are locked up at minimum. I would maybe display some of it at home varying on what it is, some of it I would maybe pawn. But don't evet fucking tell the government your they'll fuck you over if not outright shoot you over it.
+--- 2541892
+>>2541890
+To add: as a old family proverb of mine said "the less the government knows, the better." If you found something, shut the fuck up and stop talking about it.
+--- 2541893
+>>2541892
+>>2541890
+It belongs in a museum!
+--- 2541938
+>>2541893
+>better tell the government
+Why are boomers like this
+--- 2542905
+>>2541893
+No, fuck off statist cuck.
+--- 2542906
+>>2541593
+Shit like this is heavily tracked. People will ask questions and investigate. Absolutely no fake story you come up with will hold under serious scrutiny.
+--- 2542907
+If it's something with any significant value immediately contact a lawyer and let them handle it and get whatever I can out of it. Not worth dealing with the government if you can get someone else to do it for you.
+--- 2542908
+>>2541893
+I saw that article. I was tempted to post it here. The problem is, he has absolutely zero proof that they did actually take his info and use it.
+--- 2542909
+>>2541591 (OP)
+If you find undisclosed treasure in a public area, like international water, you have salvage rights (laws change by jurisdiction, hire a lawyer to be certain). 
+Tommy Thompson didn't go to prison for finding treasure and selling it. The reason Tommy Thompson went to prison is because he was funded with over $20 million to find the shipwreck and salvage it, and then he illegally salvaged it without authorization, then sold a bunch of the gold and stashed the money in offshore accounts to try to outplay the people who funded the expedition and salvage operation in the first place.
+
+So, in short - don't be a fucking scumbag that rips people off, and you won't go to prison for being a scumbag for ripping people off.
+--- 2542912
+>>2542908
+Look at his polo shirt.
+Laugh at the irony.
+--- 2543059
+>>2542912
+Losers
+Weepers
+--- 2543646
+smelt it all down and learn how to make jewelry and sell it online.
+--- 2544591
+>>2542909
+So he's in jail over a civil dispute? Women divorcing their husband have committed far worse than that yet they don't spend a single second in prison.
+--- 2544792
+>>2544591
+No, >>2542909 this poster is a retard with a toddlers reading comprehension. Tommy went to jail because after he found the gold and brought it back, the insurance companies that originally insured the ship in the 1850s sued for lost profits. Because of the suits, he sold like $50 million and said that was all of it, but evidence shows there’s a lot of gold not accounted for, so he’s in jail for lying to the court. They call it perjury.
+--- 2545051
+>>2541835
+>>2541837
+even on private land? Even in the US? Wtf Commie shit is that?
+--- 2545106
+>>2544792
+Isn't this the guy who literally stacked it in plastic bins and left it underwater to come back for later?
+--- 2545237
+>>2541591 (OP)
+Gee I'm sure glad we have excellent laws to protect us from... Having a few hundred/thousand bucks due to finding some old stuff. Yeah. Great.
+--- 2545238
+>>2544792
+>a company can sue in the modern day over a ship they lost one hundred and seventy god damn years ago
+What the fuck kind of stupid ass greedy logic is this? How is this allowed?
+--- 2546237
+>>2541893
+His shirt should say losers weepers don
+--- 2547161
+I used to find old tins of gold coins when I did land surveying for the railroad. Anytime I'd fine an old homestead foundations I'd metal detect. People didn't use banks back then. Most I foundat once was about 30 grand in old Morgan dollars.
+--- 2547176
+>>2541893
+>finders keepers looser's weepers nigger.
+--- 2547333
+>>2542908
+Do you think the FBI employs random metal detectorists to randomly search forests/beaches for gold? Do you think they just "happen" to find 7 tons of gold right after they were alerted to the existence of a shitton of gold in a specific location?
+--- 2547339
+>>2544591
+Female privilege is real despite what you heard
+--- 2547760
+>>2541591 (OP)
+Take it and hide it. Before im hung from the gallows by the global homo finally disclose ive left everything in one piece.
+--- 2547819
+I read about this a good deal and am a detectorist as a hobby. People usually go nuts when something valuable is found and it can go a many ways.
+
+1. You find something, someone hears about it, they find you: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341003/Bodies-Montana-believed-mother-son-vanished-month-ago-gold-bar-worth-half-million-dollars.html
+2. Uncle Sam has money to waste trying to get whatever you found: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Fisher
+3. The feds say what you found belongs to the Spanish: https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/01/world/europe/spain-u-s--treasure-dispute/index.html
+4. Maybe you found something, maybe the army took it from you, doesn't matter you're dead: https://www.legendsofamerica.com/victorio-peak-treasure/
+5. You just pay taxes on it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddle_Ridge_Hoard
+6. Your finding it doesn't stop you from being a retard scammer: Tommy Thompson
+
+Best advise: minimize the knowledge of you finding it, move it as quietly as possible to a safe location, shut the fuck up until you can talk to the right person to buy/sell it. Risk in all aspects. Dad always said, "Shoot, shovel, shut up."
+--- 2548140
+>>2545051
+You think that's bad? Look into how the idea of "mineral rights" came to be.
+
+I don't know about treasures and antiquities, but my state at least has decent laws with regards to fossils and shit: finders keepers basically lol.
+--- 2548151
+>>2541893
+Lol what a moron.
+--- 2548795
+>>2547760
+You want my dead man's switch?
+You can have it
+I've gathered everything I found in one place 
+Now you just have to find it
+--- 2550489
+>>2547819
+Thanks for the reading material
+--- 2551269
+In a similar vein, I've always wondered what the laws about hurricanes/floods/natural disasters are. Like if a hurricane hits, and someone's toolbox floats into my flooded house, is it now my toolbox?
+--- 2551275
+>>2547177
+>laws that have been in place for decades
+>"MUH BIDEN MUH UKRAINE"
+Subhuman with /pol/ brainrot.
+--- 2551301
+>>2541591 (OP)
+Can someone who knows more about this than me say why he won’t just tell court where the rest of the gold is? He says he doesn’t know but that has to be bullshit. Surely being a free man with no gold is better than being locked in prison
+--- 2551318
+>>2551301
+
+>invent claim to mass quantity of gold
+>government demands their cut
+>refuse to tell them
+>get free room and board courtesy of the government 
+>???
+>profit
+--- 2551344
+>>2541593
+Shit thier advice. You should melt it if it's gold or silver and sell it.
+--- 2551354
+>>2541688
+>Modern gold has radioactive particles in order to indicate origin
+what?
+that cant be true
+--- 2551356
+>>2551354
+
+Diamonds have microscopic engravings as identifiers
+--- 2551365
+>>2545051
+>Even in the US? Wtf Commie shit is that?
+The concept of US "freedom" is almost entirely baseless propaganda.
+--- 2552564
+>>2551354
+it unironically is sort of true but they're not some tracking feature just that everything manufactured in earth's atmosphere after the atom bomb does.
+--- 2552676
+>>2552564
+Yeah they scavenged the Imperial German Fleet from the bottom of Scapa Flow to get non irradiated steel for the Apollo cosmic ray detectors. Every bit of metal smelted since Trinity is a tiny bit radioactive.
+--- 2554855
+>>2552676
+That doesn't make any sense.
+--- 2554859
+>>2541824
+I think in the UK you own it under prospector's rights. If you didn't dig it up with a metal detector, it'd still be in the ground, and no one would know about it, so you might as well own it to encourage it. But it's different if they find something whilst building something else
+--- 2554874
+>>2554855
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
+Start here.
+--- 2554920
+>>2551269
+That's called looting.
+
+Nigger.
+--- 2554924
+>>2541593
+There's inheritance tax here
+--- 2554992
+>>2541591 (OP)
+What the headline doesn't state is that he's not in jail for not disclosing the location of his find, it's that he swindled investors of his treasure hunt out of $22mil and fled to the Bahamas.
+--- 2555239
+>>2541689
+fucking killed me lmao
+--- 2555601
+>>2554920
+Hey, that cunt kept my skateboarding ramp I built with my dad when it floated into his lawn, so I'm keeping his toolbox.
+--- 2555613
+>>2551269
+i think flotsam/jetsam laws only apply to boat cargo
+--- 2555616
+>>2541591 (OP)
+In November 2018, Thompson agreed to surrender 500 gold coins salvaged from the wreck of the Central America, but then claimed he did not have access to the missing coins.[10] On 28 November 2018, a jury awarded investors $19.4 million in compensatory damages: $3.2 million to the Dispatch Printing Company (which had put up $1 million of a total of $22 million invested) and $16.2 million to the court-appointed receiver of the other investors.
+
+
+He fucked over investors that bankrolled his search2gtmr
+--- 2556408
+>>2541591 (OP)
+It's been passed down in your family for generations, and/or grandpa bought it before your parents were even born.
+--- 2556546
+>>2551301
+Because he's in for perjury, according to 
+>>2544792
+--- 2556604
+>>2551354
+
+You'll never escape the radioactive Jew.
+--- 2558267
+>>2551344
+And what stamp and serial number are you going to apply to your new ingot? That's right; none.
+Shit for brains.
+--- 2558721
+>>2544792
+It's a little abstract, in my opinion.
+Why does the insurance company even need the extra 50 million dollars from a ship that wrecked 170 years ago?
+What will they do with that money?
+Will they pay it out to all their employees? Will they somehow re-invest it into the business? Will they use it to approve and pay out insurance claims?
+
+I mean, humans are greedy. Humans always want more. But a company is just a company, an abstract organization So I don't get it.
+--- 2559550
+>>2541893
+why do boomers trust the government so much
+--- 2559570
+>>2547161
+30 grand in cull morgans is like 1500 coins. How big was the chest?
+--- 2559572
+>>2552676
+
+Imagine being in the meeting where some dude proposes this as a solution. Absolutely mad.
+--- 2559576
+>>2541591 (OP)
+A few times a year I hear about people who get caught running incredibly lucrative scams or drug busts that include millions in cash, and I always wonder if the criminals were smart enough to bury some of their earnings. They have to be, right? If they’re smart enough to launder money then they have to know that burying gold bars is the safest insurance against a bust. 
+
+Then think about the East Coast, ifs lack of public land, and ifs high density of organized crime. There’s some buried treasure out there, and it’s probably not that far from the road.
+--- 2559592
+>>2551354
+>that cant be true
+Why do you think Gold bullion is 99.9% and not 100%? Its not like gold melts at room temperature
+--- 2559599
+>>2541591 (OP)
+Which third world shithole country is this?
+--- 2559612
+>>2559599
+the United States
+--- 2559695
+>>2541591 (OP)
+You should keep it and sell it bit by bit to collectors discretely.
+--- 2559696
+>>2541893
+Then buy it from me, tax free, and I will gladly sell it to you!
+Oh, that's not how it works?
+You instead try to confiscate it from me and fine or jail me for even finding it!?
+Fuck you then!
+--- 2559700
+>>2559592
+You can never make something 100% pure. If you’ve ever seen 100% pure gold I know you’re a liar.
+You can get to .9998 or .9999 “fine” or “very fine”, but never 1.0.
+--- 2559740
+>>2558267
+You would do almost exactly the same thing you’d do if you manufactured a new firearm: you’d get it professionally assayed, and then once you had that data, you’d stamp your own name/address, the metal content/purity, and a serial number of your choice on it. Nothing about that is illegal or unsaleable, as long as the stated metal content is accurate.
+--- 2559774
+>>2558721
+A company is run by humans, and as you said, humans are greedy.
+It doesn't need to be any more abstract or complex than that. All it takes is one person, be it a middle-manager or the CEO, who can use the recovery as a means to get a raise/bonus.
+--- 2559810
+1.
+Do your nation/state have a finders fee
+2. 
+What constitutes finding? If its shaky such as in USA, always report it in parallel to something like a news organization
+Always secure legal help if bounty payout is dubious 
+3. 
+Is it hard to claim you inherited the deed for a cabin in the middle of fucking nowhere, and found some coins stored there?
+4. 
+Don't make a god damn fundme if you just plan to scam the investors
+--- 2559812
+sell it in small quantities to pawn shops. 
+
+or say i inheirted it from a dead family member, pay the taxes on it and sell it wholesale in auction. coins like that are probably worth more than gold melt value.
+--- 2559888
+>>2558721
+look at this commie nigger questioning private property
+--- 2560529
+>>2541591 (OP)
+Do they intend to keep him behind bars indefinitely? What's the end game?
+--- 2560554
+>>2560529
+>What's the end game?
+
+THE TREASURE
+--- 2561368
+>>2544591
+>being hired and defrauding the people who hired you is civil
+--- 2561369
+>>2551365
+Freedom isn't free
+--- 2561397
+>>2541689
+>kequed
+--- 2561406
+In the new Cormac McCarthy novel, the guy loads up his truck with gold coins and spends a few weeks pawning them across multiple states. That sounds about right.
+--- 2561407
+>>2541591 (OP)
+--- 2561433
+>>2560529
+He will probably go to debtor's prison after this, so yeah he will be behind bars until he dies.
+--- 2561765
+>>2554920
+so what is picking up a penny on the sidewalk then?
+--- 2561785
+>>2561765
+stealing from the chosen people
+--- 2561786
+>>2544792
+>the insurance companies that originally insured the ship in the 1850s sued for lost profits
+--- 2561790
+>>2561785
+Fucking hell, anon.
+--- 2561798
+Oh
+--- 2562318
+>>2559550
+once upon a time a lot of people lived in a high trust society where the state at the very least put in a lot more effort to seem like they were acting in people's interests. Democratic parties would even sit down and have a genuine discussion on how to solve problems within the country instead of calling eachother literally Hitler
+--- 2562323
+>>2559700
+The purest gold ever made is 6 9s Fine, ie .999999/1.
+
+The 100 kilo coins the Canadian Mint made were 5 9s fine.
+--- 2563436
+Dickheads in my village found old coin, they sold it to pawn shop for 100 dollar to buy vodka. Those coins later was sold to private collector for 50 thousand dollar
+--- 2563561
+>>2541591 (OP)
+>biz is retarded
+Yes, yes they really are. I decide today to not bother with that board at all anymore. They won't ever help you make money, let alone get rich. It's just spam and memes.
+--- 2564703
+>>2558267
+You seriously think PMs become worthless if melted down and you're calling others shit for brains? Jesus Christ anon. Gold with no stamp or serial number is still gold
+--- 2564722
+>>2563436
+Well your govt did its work to make sure all your people are alcoholics because it makes you a more compliant workforce/ slaves/ meatshields. Biolenism is real
+Anyways, those dickheads couldn't have ever approached that private collector. The collector wouldn't have taken them seriously. Its not so different from a Pokemon card. Its just cardboard. But some of the paper is worth more no reason, then its sent to get graded and suddenly collectors are interested. The pawn shop is the grader who validates the value of the coin. 
+If you look at this from a GDP perspective, that coin is worth 50100 dollars + some vodka because ownership transfarred twice, thus making your economy better.
+--- 2564739
+>>2561407
+Truman show
+--- 2564747
+>>2545238
+you fucking retard. you think the government is in charge of anything? why does a horsefucker literal 
+ troon know more about politics than you people.
+
+Listen fagglet. The government doesn't control shit. The stock market and rich people don't either. All investment capital started in early banking establishments built around one thing and one thing only: insurance. The slave trade /pol/ and redditors seeth eternally about? 90% of all of the profits from that are still tied up in loyds of london. And that's not even the beginning of it. Insurance companies did the equivalent of mining the miners, skimming off the profit of merchant companies by leveraging themselves as middlemen to a multitude of investors, at a time when it was considered illegal for Christians' to do any of it in many places. These companies land their profits are the new world royalty. their dynasties lay privately beneath the entire fabric of society. The entire us government could be slaughtered to the last man and unless these guys where dealt with nothing would change. It doesn't even matter which side of the political spectrum you larp to be on (it's all a puppet show anyway). The reparation money joggers seeth about? these guys still have all of it. they where instrumental in establishing and creating the federal reserve. They own you and everything you lay eyes on. 
+
+you want to talk about magic internet money. nothing tops the wealth generated by this brief period of colonial trade. do you not remember all the times you where told in school these voyages where considered a success if even one ship of many made it back? imagine if you could just throw money into a game company, and they churned out 10 titles, one of which was basically guarantied to do more than cover all the losses on 9 complete flops. thats the kind of market it was.
+--- 2565108
+>>2551354
+Pretty much all metal now is contaminated with radioactive elements post-atomic weapons usage. It's made precision instruments difficult to manufacture now because their materials themselves are compromised in some small measure by this.
+>>2551356
+This is also true, it's why baddies in movies and video games often seek uncut gems for payments. Accepting gems for payment IRL is retarded though.
+--- 2565258
+>>2541893
+Boomers are really the last ones to trust this much big daddy gov
+--- 2566899
+>>2558267
+>And what stamp and serial number are you going to apply to your new ingot?
+whatever the fuck i want
+--- 2566906
+>>2564747
+That shit was based as fuck. 
+
+Some autistic guy figured out navigation from looking at stars while another forged weapons to conquer. 
+Without them there's no America. 
+
+With that said their current power is only derived through the institutions. Their children are inbred and incompetent. 
+
+The people playing with internet money are developing the tools for the next wave. 
+The inherent tools in bitcoin are designed to usurp the old institutions.
+--- 2567388
+>>2564747
+Any good books on this subject? I would like to learn about it.
+--- 2567406
+>>2544792
+>the insurance companies that originally insured the ship in the 1850s sued for lost profits
+--- 2567628
+>>2541591 (OP)
+What do you mean? I've never found any treasure. And any treasure I did find was lost in a boating accident.
+--- 2567630
+>>2564747
+Stopped reading this post after the first few fragments of utter edgelord nonsense.
+
+Try again writing like a sensible human if you want to have your opinions taken seriously. Until then, dismissed.
+--- 2567782
+>>2541591 (OP)
+Got 10 tons of Italian gold in my basement. They will never get it back.
+--- 2567795
+>>2567782
+>Italian gold
+
+What are you gonna do with that much parmesan
+--- 2567881
+>>2567795
+Make LOTSA spaghetti
+--- 2567892
+>>2567630
+>no arguments
+>just your typical screeching baby crying over his overton window after finding out THIS pro wrestling isn't real either. 
+keep chugging that "healthy" oil and ignoring those health insurance premiums

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+-----
+--- 2542159
+Post British and Irish out tales here. Latest outing, favourite piece of gear and most valuable lessons learned. 
+
+Bonus prompt: what instruments or songs do you play/sing while on the trail?
+--- 2542161
+Gorms were nice
+--- 2542167
+comfy Welsh hills are comfy.
+--- 2542171
+you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like
+--- 2542175
+>>2542171
+Comfy camping in the woods
+--- 2542179
+Favourite bit of gear has got to be my fixed blade. Fjallkniven A1, absolute beast of a tool. Comes with me on all my bushcraft oriented trips, had it for years now and it's never let me down
+--- 2542180
+thread theme:
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y64uWjtSKAo [Embed]
+--- 2542183
+>>2542179
+Also the bothy ned basher
+--- 2542187
+not been out since January. too busy being a wagie.
+--- 2542189
+Going back tomorrow
+--- 2542195
+This feb has been so warm this year, I missed the snow
+--- 2542367
+Outdoors sucks dick in britain other than some really niche areas.
+I moved to Japan and now do so much shit outside.
+If i ever moved back home i’d have little to no motivation to do anything like that again.
+--- 2542459
+>>2542367
+>If i ever moved back home i’d have little to no motivation to do anything like that again.
+That's because you're a loser.
+That's why you had to move to Japan to try find a girl hahaha.
+--- 2542515
+>>2542459
+Yeah this anon is right you're just a loser
+Also stop saying the UK when you mean England, you sound like an American
+--- 2542633
+Any Norfolk/East Anglia Anons out there? Walked to St. Benets Abbey Ruins on the Norfolk Broads recently and started the Peddars Way a while back. Also found a copy of pic related. Thinking of doing a few walks from it soon as the weather seems to be finally picking up.
+--- 2542656
+>>2542187
+You camped at a fucking car park... Tarmac 2m behind you.
+--- 2542679
+>>2542656
+not 2m but ye it was close to the road.
+my first time camping overnight and wasnt sure my sleeping bag was warm enough.
+--- 2542884
+>>2542459
+
+I moved there to ski silly, and am already married
+--- 2543124
+>>2542195
+Lovely
+--- 2543244
+Cape wrath
+--- 2543314
+>>2542633
+Are you the Sebald anon I was chatting with a few months back? How's it going? I made an effort post replying to you a while back but some namefag slid the thread.
+https://archived.moe/out/thread/2453422/#q2484958
+Looks like an interesting book, a friend of my Dad's is big into ley lines, apparently they're all over the place in Norfolk. Not sure how much I believe but my dad was thoroughly convinced by this chap. I haven't been walking much recently as the weather is still a bit grim but I'm looking into the wherrymans way as a weekend jaunt when I'm back.
+--- 2543414
+>>2542159 (OP)
+Tea in the peaks before Christmas, doing a three day hike in Snowdonia next weekend super excited about it first proper /out/ing of the year.
+
+>favourite piece of gear
+Does a website count? maps.the-hug.net is really fucking good for planning hikes in the UK
+>OS map layer 
+>Custom map layer based on open street maps with more topo data plus extras
+>Create, edit and load GPX files
+>Shows route data like elevation changes distance profile etc
+>100% free
+If not then I love my Swiss M84 water bottle + mug (pictured)
+--- 2543649
+>>2543414
+>Does a website count? maps.the-hug.net is really fucking good for planning hikes in the UK
+cheers for this.
+would be nice if it had a feature for printing maps to scale like OSmaps does.
+--- 2543664
+>>2542367
+PewDiePie is that you?
+--- 2543697
+Narrowboat anon here, nice to see the threads revived! After a bunch of cold snaps and getting frozen in more than once, we're back out cruising again! Can't remember where I took this pic but I've just turned onto the Oxford canal, where after rugby it should get a lot more rural and /out/. Upgraded the boat with 3x210Ah batteries and a new 400W solar panel (for a total of 710W now), so in the summer I should be sorted power-wise.
+--- 2543701
+>>2543697
+Oh I got a cat at some point, and he's been enjoying wandering when I'm moored up in less busy areas
+--- 2543835
+>>2543701
+Have you named him? Comfy pics btw
+--- 2543882
+>>2543835
+Cheers, yeah he's called Scraps and he's either a complete cunt or the chillest dude.
+--- 2544339
+>>2543882
+Would love to see some more pictures, especially of your boats interior, to see how it is to live on one.
+--- 2544341
+>>2543697
+Not up to speed on who you are? do you travel around uk on a canoe or something? id love to see pictures of your setup
+--- 2544395
+>>2543244
+Good spot. Been a few time to photograph airyplanes
+--- 2544528
+>>2543127
+looks like Loch Insh?
+--- 2544532
+Fuck the Jewish train prices I want to go/out/ but they want £30 one way to get me inna Cairngorms
+--- 2544718
+>>2544532
+Bus is a lot cheaper.
+Citylink/Megabus etc
+--- 2544726
+>>2544341
+I live on a narrowboat and continuously cruise around the canal system. Here's what it looks like on the outside. You can stay anywhere that's not otherwise signposted for up to two weeks, there's free water and stuff along the way and you get to see amazing parts of our industrial heritage and the countryside from a lesser-seen perspective
+--- 2544772
+>>2544339 #
+We got a sofa recently which has greatly improved quality of life. Next big thing is to redo the bathroom (fully working shower heated by cooling the diesel engine, and from a diesel central heating system too), macerator toilet that puts the poo into a big tank...
+At the stern there's an almost double bed, and the galley has a gas hob and oven.
+--- 2544793
+>>2544718
+>£45 Glasgow to Inverness
+cheaper getting the train, very least you can just buy a ticket to the next stop
+--- 2544803
+You know what they call the sun in Scotland? A myth.
+--- 2544806
+>>2543882
+looking cosy anon
+--- 2544827
+>>2544803
+Fuck off we're full
+--- 2544840
+>>2543697
+Nice boat. How’d you find her and what’s her name? 
+
+Also, how far can you travel on canals? Is it just the Home Counties or…?
+--- 2544858
+>>2544840
+We don't leave the south but there are plans to explore the network more
+--- 2544859
+>>2544793
+where are you getting that?
+just looked, megabus return is £38 and train return is £62.
+--- 2544866
+>>2544859
+citylink return, train has a 26-30 railcard so cheaper. Both are expensive
+--- 2544879
+>>2544866
+true. glasgow to inverness is an odd route though.
+you're going west to east.
+edinburgh to inverness megabus is only £17 return if you book a couple of weeks in advance.
+--- 2544886
+>>2544840
+I think we found her on Apollo Duck. She's called 'why wait?', she used to be called Carla but we renamed her.
+Bought her in Slough and moved north to the Midlands. Now we've just turned onto the Oxford and are gonna potter about there for a while. Attached image is a good representation of the navigable inland waterways.
+>>2544858
+Are you also a filthy ditch rat? Canal anons unite! That pic doesn't really show the areas that are actually navigable btw... Maybe by kayak but certainly not boat
+--- 2545067
+>>2544886
+part time canal gypsy
+--- 2545217
+F
+--- 2545278
+>>2545217
+They expect one of us in the wreckage brother
+--- 2545294
+>>2544879
+that involves going to edinburgh, adding 10 quid to the journey. prices are screwed
+--- 2545308
+>>2544827
+Fuck off then, nonce. Scotland isn't full.
+--- 2545362
+>>2545217
+how the fuck can someone be missing for a week in what is probably the most high footfall area of the highlands?
+buried under an avalanche?
+--- 2545379
+>>2545308
+>Oh isnt it noice heya its loik ow it was round ah way when oi was a kid befoh they built ouwl the ouses.
+...
+>Thehs loads of spayce, neeyds a few fings built heya for peepow to dew innit
+...
+>It's just not vuh sayme any moh!
+Many such cases.
+--- 2545992
+Bit of a chilly cruise today, but we saw rabbits and even a little fawn sat among the trees right next to the canal, very close and very cute
+--- 2546182
+>>2545992
+You done the MK - Rugby section? Very nice on foot
+--- 2546216
+>>2546182
+I did last summer, yeah. Absolutely gorgeous area This is from towards the northern part of that stretch of the grand Union which actually turns off just before rugby, at Norton junction. If you carry on towards rugby it's actually on a little section of the Oxford canal, until braunston where the Oxford carries on North to rugby (which we're actually right outside now), and the grand Union starts again to the south. Sorry lol probably too much detail, I'll talk anyone's ear off about the canal
+--- 2546414
+>>2546216
+Nice. If its not too personal, how much would it cost monthly and upfront to get setup on one of those. Are you a neet or remote working?
+--- 2546695
+Has anyone tried doing Scotland by kayak without a car?
+I can get a lift up easily, but not regularly. Would it be a stupid idea to buy one, park it somewhere off the track and paying the estate a couple hundred to store for a year, beats £900 on a packraft.
+--- 2546923
+>>2546695
+dont tell the landowner, tie to some trees away from the beach
+--- 2546926
+>>2542159 (OP)
+>Brit/out/
+>Brit
+>/out/
+--- 2546986
+>>2546695
+if you want to start kayaking your best bet would be to work towards getting a car/driving license.
+--- 2547006
+>>2542515
+england, wales and NI are all the same: only scotland stands out
+--- 2547027
+>>2543314
+
+Sebald anon reporting in. How's it going? The weather has certainly been shite of late. 
+
+Yeah loads of leylines Norfolk it seems, not much info about them around in general though. I'm not sure I believe in them but they're an interesting a fun way to observe the land whilst walking I suppose. 
+
+For what it's worth, I'd recommend the book, cheap enough online and the hand-drawn routes are pleasant. Puddingstone Walk from Heacham looks interesting, as does one from Trowse to the site of an old hill fort in Tasburgh.
+--- 2547090
+>>2546986
+I should do.must be possible to leave something up there though?
+--- 2547181
+>>2546414
+If you can buy outright, you're talking about £50k upwards (what we paid) for a boat that's good enough but still plenty of bits to perfect. If you continuously cruise you must move a mile or so every 2 weeks along the system and that's currently cheaper (about a grand a year) than having a mooring on the canal or at a marina (probably triple that) but that will change drastically soon. Then there's gas for the cooker, wood and coal in winter, diesel for running the motor for electricity and moving (ours also does the heating)... I'd say ballpark for a lot of people is probably around a grand or so a month max? It's so very hard to say unfortunately. One thing though; don't read those fucking tabloid stories about boating being an easy way to live for cheap. It's work and it's only a bit cheaper if you're wanting a similar quality of life. That being said, I love it and wouldn't change it for the world. Me and my wife both work remotely
+--- 2547221
+>>2544718
+Yeah I end up on buses all the time but it's annoying finding one that stops in a nice convenient place to start hiking, benefit of trains is all the small ass stops where as coaches are mostly direct city to city
+Looks like I'll get my camping fill anyway I'm gonna go wales for family shit and then sneak off for a few days
+£230 train from wales to Scotland btw lmao
+That'll have to be buses but none of them connect conveniently so I'll end up staying somewhere on the way either in a fucking premiere inn or a bush
+Joke ass public transportation
+--- 2547222
+>>2546216
+Used to live in rugby and fuck me it's a shithole but those canals? Do love them
+--- 2547233
+>>2547221
+megabus is cheap in advance, learn where the checkies swap and you can get away without a full ticket up here
+--- 2547429
+>>2547233
+I've done cardiff to Glasgow by pretending to be asleep lmao 
+I miss peak covid when they just stopped checking and had to hire a bunch of private security companies to check tickets at station and you could just wait until the last minute and then walk past
+--- 2547453
+>>2547090
+There are companies which rent out kayaks, they even deliver them/pick them up where you need.
+But yes I'm sure you could make arrangements with a landowner though I doubt they'd be able to garuntee it won't get nicked.
+--- 2547511
+>>2547453
+Yea I'll just drive up at night
+--- 2547622
+>>2547027
+Hills? Norfolk? Surely some mistake?
+--- 2547857
+Did Blencathra in the Lake District. Weather was pretty pleasant but Sharp Edge wasn't safe to scramble, turned back halfway up it and so did everyone else we met. Took the other path from Scales Tarn to the summit, then scrambled down Hall's Fell, nothing too technical but a few places were slightly sketchy. Lovely day out.
+--- 2548336
+>>2547222
+Yeah not a massive fan desu, and it's a bit of a trek from the canal to town. Looking forward to getting back out into the country between braunston and rugby
+--- 2548768
+Nice to see and hear three red kites above me today
+--- 2548774
+>>2547622
+
+Lol, fair point. 
+
+There are a few here and there and Norwich itself is hilly in places. Not as flat as The Fens though, you can watch your dog run away for two weeks there...
+--- 2549198
+>>2543882
+Nice mate, you got the exact same stove as I had when I lived in a cabin in Wales. This pic brought a smile to my face remembering my cat sitting in front of it just like that. Enjoy anon.
+--- 2549307
+>>2549198
+Cheers mate yeah it's not a bad stove. We've got a backboiler fitted, which is a thing that pumps the central heating through it when the water gets hot enough so we can heat the rest of the boat just from burning wood
+I hear councils want to stop people burning stuff in towns and that but they can pry my woodstove from my very warm and comfy hands.
+Here's a pic from near Braunston, where we noticed the new lambs of spring were already racing around having fun. So fucking cute, lads
+--- 2549495
+>>2549307
+Meant to ask you this last thread - do you get any sort of rats or insects on the boat, I imagine mosquitos being annoying in summer.
+--- 2549511
+I'm from Australia but I can get a visa in the UK because my Grandfather was English. I recently have had a bit of a thing for British nature. Would any of you guys suggest I temporarily stay in Britain and explore the outdoors there? I would also be very interested in urbex there but I would have no idea where to start in terms of getting in with the community over there.
+--- 2549646
+>>2549495
+Mostly just spiders, and that's only really a problem in summer/autumn. Thankfully since we got the cat he seems to take care of most of them! Not heard of people getting rodents on their boats. Yeah mosquitos can be annoying in summer, but I'm gonna build some insect nets into the windows - the glass from the windows comes out entirely, so in the summer we can just have the insect screen to protect us. It's actually harder to keep the boat cool in the summer than it is to keep it warm in the winter.
+--- 2549833
+>>2549511
+>temporarily stay in Britain
+What are /out/ you into?
+>urbex 
+28dayslater forum, I can give you some recommendations if you're down Kent way
+--- 2549842
+Do you go /out/? Looking for more local /out/ friends? Join our comfy group today! 
+https://discord.gg/a6zSTbNJFh
+--- 2549854
+scottish borders
+--- 2549865
+>>2549854
+--- 2549867
+>>2549865
+--- 2549868
+>>2549867
+--- 2549874
+>>2549865
+
+10/10 nature in bongistan
+--- 2549880
+>>2549874
+10/10 nature in USA
+--- 2549933
+>>2549833
+I really like the highlands and the English countryside, especially how it resembles fantasy stuff. I've also always have had a thing for fog. In outdoor terms I would be into anything from day hikes and drives to wildcamping. The UK urbex community seems way more open than Australias, Australian urbex is gatekept heavily (although there's weirdly a massive boomer community who urbex)
+--- 2550074
+>>2549933
+Kinda the same here with a massive boomer community but there are a couple of gaps here and there. There’s some really good stuff here, but unfortunately the big problem is the rate of demolition. Also security seems to be improving in most places, but not too the level where you’re actually get arrested and charged. Just harder to get in.
+--- 2550177
+snowing today, melted a bit and then started again in full force. Hoping it continues into tomorrow
+--- 2550282
+>>2549933
+When are you thinking of coming?
+Autumn (October onwards) would be the best for the highlands - few tourists, no midges but very boggy.
+--- 2550284
+Some snow down south
+--- 2550314
+>>2550282
+Maybe next year or so, I heard cost of living is a bit shit over there at the moment so I want to save a bit before I come over. With the ancestry visa I can stay upwards of 5 years (I can get it renewed as well) so I'll probably go for a year or two, I've never been out of Australia so I'll probably stay for a while. If I do move I'll try to get a job in agriculture, it's what I have the most experience in.
+>>2550074
+I checked out some UK forums, it was just crazy to me how often locations were posted. Even the boomers here don't post any locations. Security here are on a massive power trip 24/7 (although I assume almost every security guard around the world is some what as well) and getting caught in an expedition is pretty much guaranteed to end up with police.
+--- 2550326
+It was a bloody cold day today. Somehow convinced the missus to walk to the post office/village shop with me to see if my sim card had been delivered but no joy. however, there was a decent pub nearby where we necked a few. After a few hours the snow started to settle and despite the wind cutting into us, the walk back was pleasant
+--- 2550335
+>>2550314
+>I checked out some UK forums, it was just crazy to me how often locations were posted. Even the boomers here don't post any locations. Security here are on a massive power trip 24/7 (although I assume almost every security guard around the world is some what as well) and getting caught in an expedition is pretty much guaranteed to end up with police.
+here in the UK trespassing is a civil offence, not a criminal one. so thats maybe the reason for the difference in attitudes. 
+i'm guessing it's a criminal offence in aus?
+--- 2550602
+How viable is travelling England by bike? Was going to get a car but the fee is insane, cheapest ive found is like 50 USD per day. Found a few bikes for sale cheap and was thinking of using that. Travelling very light and staying indoors so not carrying much more then a few changes of clothes, my kindle and my pipe stuff.
+--- 2550838
+>>2550177
+Fucking love it me lad, beautiful round here when it does, the only time it is beautiful desu. Had s good day testing snow toys and I little peeved varusteleka didn't have my size left in Italian surplus snow boots in stock for the full snow camouflage look(ok not gloves but finding white or snow camo gloves is harder than finding hens teeth).
+
+Here to deeper snow tomorrow *hold up glass of whiskey as toast*
+
+Is man kung crossbow anon in? How was your trip to the land of haggis? Get any deer? Saw a brace today, they darted quick as I was bollocking the dog for being a dick but if I was stalking sans mutt my plate would be full for the next few weeks.
+--- 2551067
+>>2550314
+Could be hard getting a job in agriculture, definitely look beforehand. Cost of living is unlikely to go down in the next few years.
+--- 2551068
+>>2550602
+You could do it easily. https://explore.osmaps.com/?overlays=&style=Standard has the official bike routes and there's a lot more on openstreetmap.org. A and B roads will be too busy mostly. You can take it on most trains but for some you have to book.
+>>2550838
+Arrived yesterday, testing it next week hopefully
+--- 2551185
+>>2551068
+Enjoy lad, looking at some Bear/EK compounds meself and stacks more bolts, remember soft dense backstop like rags in a bag are cheapest option, print off or paint your own scoring target on the bag. Enormous fun
+--- 2551195
+>>2545362
+Probably fell somewhere remote and out of sight. Why else would both have died together? Unless it was an avalanche. 
+
+Could have been werewolfs too though.
+--- 2551196
+>>2548774
+>The Fens though, you can watch your dog run away for two weeks there...
+No you can't. Pikeys will steal it in front of your eyes if it's even out of arm's reach. You can watch the pikey van peel out and drive away for about two weeks though, then some fog rolls in and you can't even see your feet anymore.
+--- 2551203
+The sun had a bit of the warmth of Spring in it today at least.
+--- 2551450
+>>2550602
+if you are making a lot of trips by train it may be better to just rent a car as trains are ridiculously expensive
+--- 2551788
+alright chaps?
+planning on doing 10 days or so in the scottish islands in the summer. what are some must-see islands and locations?
+--- 2551820
+>>2551788
+with 10 days i'm pretty sure you can just see all of them (if we are talking about the outer hebrides).
+--- 2551950
+Pretty lucky that we've had heavy snow where I live.
+
+I was up to my knees in it today, shame I couldn't come up here yesterday. I actually tried hiking up somewhere else but the snow drifts were chest deep and I couldn't get past them.
+
+Today I came up these hills instead, but a lot of the snow had melted, though still some thigh-deep drifts. It must have been mad yesterday if I could have got up here.
+--- 2552050
+>>2551788
+corr might go there this weekend
+--- 2552181
+Going to Skye next week, any tips lads?
+--- 2552186
+>>2551820
+>if we are talking about the outer hebrides
+definitely gonna go there but i'd like to visit some of the inner hebrides / small isles too
+>>2552050
+reckon it only looks like that for 3 days a year and that's with camera saturation
+--- 2552206
+Anyone here channel islander? I am considering taking a job in Jersey, St Helier to be exact. Aside from the retarded rent prices, I am also slightly hesitant to do so because it will make going /out/ much less convenient. I would definitely get a kayak and perhaps take up sailing, but how easy is it to do, and what else is there really to do in jersey and the channel islands?
+--- 2552359
+unnaground
+--- 2552363
+>>2551185
+>Step 1: Find some prick looking through binoculars
+>Step 2: Shoot him in the spine.
+--- 2552721
+>>2544726
+That a Springer hull, anon? Nice.
+--- 2553134
+>>2552799
+--- 2553213
+>>2552721
+Nah it's an old black prince hire boat (2004). You can usually identify black princes by the big rubber fender on the bow rather than the training rope fenders. Also the sticky out bit with the fender on the stern, no idea what it's called
+>>2552799
+Ask your friends:*
+--- 2553451
+>>2543244
+>Cape wrath
+Nice I hiked the CWT last May, was good fun. Thinking about the Cambrian Way this may/april.
+--- 2554395
+>>2544827
+I knew a scottish lass once and she was never fucking full. Like a black hole for chips and cock.
+--- 2554908
+How /out/ is it?
+--- 2554909
+>>2554908
+I mean, you need to fucking sail there so it's fairly /out/.
+--- 2554915
+>>2554909
+Well, is it all farmland or wilderness?
+--- 2554917
+>>2554915
+A brief check indicates that it's mostly something you could Google yourself you lazy fuck.
+--- 2554918
+>>2554917
+I'm asking to see if its gated off when others went, I want to hear experience not generic google results.
+--- 2554991
+>>2554908
+you could go further /out/ but its fairly out. Tourist presence (and how hellish it is) varies by time of year
+--- 2555033
+Morning lads. Loch Awe
+--- 2555034
+>>2546926
+Didn't they recently ban camping on private land without consent?
+--- 2555038
+>>2554915
+sat images will tell you a lot. it's worth getting used to using them as it's a great way to plan /out/ings.
+--- 2555051
+>>2542167
+Agreed, got dragged half way across the country to work in Cardiff this weekend but I managed to sneak off early yesterday and walk up the sugar loaf just before sunset.
+--- 2555062
+>>2555034
+>camping on private land without consent
+Also known as Trespassing....
+
+I think Scotland retains its right of way laws. Any green space is fair game. Fucking hilarious seeing a bunch of ramblers cruising about a golf course ruining all the toffs days
+--- 2555205
+Missus wanted to go 'hiking' so we did Helm Crag here in Cumbria today while the weather was good. I took a tiny day pack that she wanted loaded with shit (handbag, three water bottles, phone power bank) all for a 2 hour hike at most. I took some poles (don't use them myself) because I thought she could do with them. Complained the way up, made her have the bag and she wore it for ten minutes before complaining how heavy it was. Explained to her that it was full of shit she wanted to take and she realised she might want to pack lighter next time. She really enjoyed it apparently, says she wants to do more /out/ in future. Found the poles more useful than I ever have, particularly on the descent.
+--- 2555206
+>>2543882
+Fucking hell this is the dream. I know a playwright who lives the same narrow boat life and literally just drives around chilling, going to theatres where his plays are showing.
+--- 2555210
+>>2555205
+Imagine the smell
+--- 2555221
+Evening lads. Wew I feel a long way out.
+--- 2555244
+>>2555221
+Do you live out there? Heard the housing market is absolute hell.
+--- 2555250
+>>2555244
+Nah just yomping about for a week. Got a little hut. But yeah, only actually spoken properly to one Scotsman, everyone is either Southern or foreign other than in Fort William Morrison's lel. Loads of "lodges" and stuff for rich people around Loch Lomond and Glencoe on the way.
+--- 2555314
+Blair atholl to glen feshie perhaps? Gonna do the first bit I think, then see how the river crossings are looking. It says Itll be raining anyway but fuck it I'll have a look I gotta go outside nigs
+--- 2555544
+>>2543882
+That looks comfy as fuck anon. What are you reading?
+--- 2555558
+>>2545992
+>>2546216
+How are waterways administered in England? Been wanting to build a coracle and float down some stretches of the Thames. Would this upset anybody?
+--- 2555756
+>>2555558
+the Canal and River Trust (CRT) are in charge of the majority of inland waterways and you need a license to use them. Some (including the Thames iirc) are managed by the Environment Agency. This includes things like canoes/kayaks and SUPs but desu I don't think the majority know/care and it's not really enforced. It's mostly enforced for narrowbats, widebeams and cruisers (for which we get a license and display a number on our boat). For a little coracle, you're probably entirely fine and if some jobsworth tries to do anything, well... they can't really do anything. Give it a go imo
+--- 2555896
+Off to Bakewell for the weekend this Friday. Any recommendations that won't be shit and full of tourists and/or old cunts? Preferably in or around the Thornbridge Brewery taproom? Ta.
+--- 2555913
+>>2549854
+Such a shame to see grouse shooting fags still setting our moorlands ablaze, saw the Scottish parliament was looking at laws restricting this practice though
+--- 2555963
+>>2555913
+Poach them if you want to stop it
+--- 2556002
+>>2554908
+I'd imagine it's fairly boring in terms of scenery. Just boggy hills and plains. Definitely out of the way tho
+--- 2556004
+southern Ireland
+--- 2556006
+>>2556004
+Nothing better than a swampy wood on a rainy day
+--- 2556008
+>>2556006
+Something comfortable about blue light, used to wish I lived further south where the lighting is brighter and happier like you see in california or something
+--- 2556064
+>>2555913
+come on, muirburns fine. Means less bracken in my boots
+--- 2556068
+>>2556004
+>southern Ireland
+we like to call it the republic
+--- 2556073
+>>2552206
+Get into spearfishing.
+Jersey is one of the best spots in the UK for that.
+--- 2556080
+>>2555913
+Moor fires are pretty kino though.
+Also, I don't think the issue is as black and white as most people think. Grouse moors actually support a lot of wildlife, especially birds of prey (even with gamekeepers persecuting then).
+Unmanaged moors are not healthy. The RSPB have taken over a few former grouse moors and left them unmanaged and it's been terrible for the wildlife. 
+The other issue is that if you remove grouse shooting you remove the value from the land, and it will inevitably end up being sold to the forestry commission or a private forestry firm who will cover it in a confier plantation (this happened with many former grouse moors). Grouse moors might not be perfect but they are far far better for biodiversity than forestry plantations are.
+--- 2556081
+Fuck I'm glad I wasn't born on an island that's been stripped of wilderness. The pre-roman history is pretty cool though.
+--- 2556090
+>>2556081
+based but if you cycle up near cape wrath, there's shit to see. on cloud-cover days, you can hear the bombs they're "testing" and their afterburners.
+--- 2556151
+>>2555913
+Only problem with grouse fags is the pay
+Cunts try pay me £7 an hour to march up and down the hills and I get the privilege of bunking with a bunch of teenagers who won't shut the fuck up at night 
+It sounded cool in theory but when I actually went there did a few days and worked out the pay I was like nah no wonder it's just teenagers and Slavic people willing to do it
+--- 2556157
+Been stuck at a stoppage for a few days (during the winter they close some sections for maintenance of locks, towpaths, etc) but it cleared this afternoon. Back moving, feels good. 10 locks later and I've earned my fucking pint
+--- 2556159
+>>2556151
+Every estate is different. I've worked at a few which are like summer camps for neds, but I worked 5 seasons at one that was less profit-driven, more concerned with providing the LARPING experience to the toffs; for that reason they tried not to hire real arseholes as beaters. Genuinely happiest memories of my life getting pissed with those guys in the bothy and arsing about the moors all August.
+--- 2556189
+>>2556068
+I live in the south of the Republic. Ireland is just Ireland to me, no shade towards the unionists but they live on an island called Ireland regardless of politics.
+--- 2556212
+>>2555913
+Aye cunts. Moors and heath are great for a lof of stuff. Would be better if managed for habitats rather than the needs of one species. Burns occur when reptiles are emerging. Lots of BBQ adders. Cunts the lot of them
+--- 2556214
+Skye is just different gravy. Wow.
+
+Some American girl took some pictures of me in the distance and then offered to WhatsApp them to me, so I gave her my number.
+--- 2556218
+Thoughts on Hadrian's Wall?
+--- 2556280
+>>2556159
+I tried it at hunthill if you've ever heard of it. honestly I think I'd have liked it if I stuck around but I'm pretty allergic to sharing my living space with people And I rolled the fuck outa my ankle day 1 thanks to lower cut boots, and sick pay is unheard of so I had to make the choice and go work onna building site instead. Have to pay the rent somehow, I think beating is better suited to people who don't rent. Pay would have been somewhat justifiable if I didn't have any expenses but alas. The hills were fucking big ones, lovely estate. I'd run up and down them for free but when they had us going 9 hours on 60 something quid a day with no chance of me getting proper sleep thanks to a wanker eating Pringles at 3am..
+--- 2556334
+>>2556218
+Thoughts on these balls?
+>>2556214
+shit larp
+--- 2556343
+>>2556334
+Isn't though is it
+--- 2556354
+>>2556280
+I've done a few days at Hunthill to earn extra on the weekends, it was shite. Beautiful estate, but shite work culture. Invermark was the estate I was speaking highly of. I think it's gone to shit too since I was there.
+Yeah there's no way I could see anyone covering living expenses off a beater's wage. It was good for me as I was homeless between stints at uni, so I didn't need to earn I only had to eat.
+--- 2556536
+>>2556354
+I should have done it before I committed to getting a flat baka. I might still try some beating one year but not at fuckin hunthill 
+I just want my comfy park ranger job back but fuck me for not having 20 years of experience and all the loicenses for every bit of equipment imaginable. This/out/ job shit ain't working
+--- 2556539
+>>2556214
+>Some American girl took some pictures of me in the distance and then offered to WhatsApp them to me, so I gave her my number.
+how does this feel
+--- 2556542
+Hello brit anons. I wanna come to your island to build some outdoor skills. Can I do the west highland way in winter (wildcamping) if I'm very fit or am I gonna die? I have winter gear.
+--- 2556550
+>>2556542
+Thing about Scotland is river crossings, entirely depends on the weather. it's worth a try anyway but if it's a windy rainy one shit could potentially get serious quite fast unless you really know your shit. The wind might rip your tent down and dump rain all over your sleeping gear, if you have kit that you know stands up to these kind of conditions I say yolo it. But if your previous winter experience wasn't inna windy wet mountains I'd be careful
+--- 2556575
+>>2556542
+Where are you coming from.
+--- 2556595
+>>2556550
+I have no experience camping or hiking. I will do as much research/reading as possible but there's only so much you can learn that way. I know summer camping first is the smart way to go about this but I really can't be arsed. I'm just interested in winter outdoor stuff. Kit is definitely not the problem, it's all legit winter gear, if I get in trouble it will be my own fault
+
+>>2556575
+France
+
+Typing this I realise I sound like a retard but I just really wanna get out there. Worst case I just cut the trip short and go to the nearest town and ask around for a hotel. I doubt I'll die unless I drop my whole pack in a lake or something
+--- 2556722
+>>2556595
+>France
+>Typing this I realise I sound like a retard but I just really wanna get out there. Worst case I just cut the trip short and go to the nearest town and ask around for a hotel. I doubt I'll die unless I drop my whole pack in a lake or something
+Just needed to you know aren't dutch. You won't die, just take waterproof everything, socks included, and pack a warm sleeping bag and wool layers.
+Don't listen to what anyone on reddit says, the weather is not "sub-arctic" and you don't need anything more than a phone
+--- 2556744
+>>2556722
+are dutch people not welcome in scotland?
+--- 2556759
+>>2556189
+solid response, I was just pulling your chain!
+--- 2556823
+>>2556744
+clog up the roads, whites only anyway
+--- 2556838
+>>2542159 (OP)
+>Brit/out/
+>Brit
+>/out/
+--- 2557377
+>>2542159 (OP)
+Wondering if you lads can give me a few tips. I've not been camping in years but soon I'll get the full kit for solo 2-3 night camps this summer.
+
+I just need a location (I'm in Yorkshire), with nice forest/woodland and solitude. Some fishing would also be nice. Where should I go? Kielder?
+--- 2557433
+>>2557377
+Dalby forest
+--- 2557641
+>>2557377
+Seconding this. 
+I'm not in Yorkshire but it's the closest "out" me. 
+I've bought a tarp and plan on going motorbike camping.
+--- 2557643
+>>2556838
+The most embarrassing thing about Brits on /out/ is that they always have catastrophic threads where they whine about the lack of nature in the UK, and then contemplate moving or killing themselves. Those threads outnumber the successful Brit threads ten to one, and it makes threads like this look silly and nonsensical.
+--- 2557875
+>>2557643
+It's just because channers are city dwelling introverts and there isn't a Horizon Zero Dawn world in walking distance of their terraced 2up 2down.
+--- 2557968
+>>2557643
+we have nature but the noses cut it all down and i shoot it all
+--- 2558242
+summer starts now
+--- 2558298
+>>2558242
+Walked over that viaduct, was cool af
+--- 2558377
+>>2555318
+At least they are kept under lock and quay.
+--- 2558427
+>>2558377
+Very nice.
+--- 2558624
+>>2557643
+this doesn't happen
+>>2557377
+kielder is big and empty but kinda artificial and plantation-y
+--- 2559589
+is there any fungus in the UK or shit like that where just inhaling near it will fuck me up? recently been going in the woods more and been coming across dead rotting animals and worried I might inhale some shit that kills me or makes me sick or some shit
+--- 2560535
+>>2559589
+Nah. Not really. Certain funguses can cause respiratory issues but only when inhaled over a long period. Talking about molds in damp buildings for example.
+Out and about in the woods I don't there is anything to worry about.
+
+What sort of dead animals were you seeing? It's almost certainly not caused by fungus.
+It's not unusual to see dead animals towards the end of winter. Especially deer.
+--- 2560537
+>>2547006
+I dunno bro, all we have is bigger fields with more sheep, it’s all owned land and you’re unlikely to get away with having a fire.
+Saying that I’ve found my few niche places and I’m comfy with them
+--- 2560539
+>>2557377
+If you want real big woodland, you have 3 options:
+>picrel
+A: Those plantation woods on the southern part of the moors. Pretty shit plantation, but it is pretty empty and on the edge of the moors so you have access to the amazing coastline
+B: Grisedale. On the southern part of the lakeland, can get quite busy and is somewhat dispersed by small farmlands and also some buildings. Most of it is actualy ancient woodland though and it is far better quality than the other 2. Best to get there before summer peak season, but should be OK if you stay off the beaten path.
+C: kielder. very huge, very empty. Just plantation. Nice views of the lake, though. Lots of wildlife including wild goats, marten, polecats, red squirrel and some other rare animals such as birds of prey. This is the largest and most isolated spot, but the forest is mostly sitka plantation.
+--- 2560540
+>>2557643
+>The most embarrassing thing about Brits on /out/ is that they always have catastrophic threads where they whine about the lack of nature in the UK, and then contemplate moving or killing themselves.
+
+It's the same one poster who makes those threads always. The UK is actually one of the best countries in europe for /out/, just because of scotland.
+--- 2560547
+>>2560535
+>>2560539
+You seek knowledgable, do you know any fungi that can cause harm being burned and inhaled?
+Have had a proper whooping cough for a week now after having a fire with logs that had coral spot, I didn’t notice because it was dark until I was chucking in the last log and the fire was illuminating it enough to see the redness.
+--- 2560557
+>>2560547
+All I know is that some fungi can cause infections if burnt and inhaled. If you're suffering just call your gp. They will get it checked out and then you can stop worrying. No use speculating as you don't know which fungus you actually inhaled.
+--- 2560604
+haven't had a good /out/ing in a couple of years now. anyone have any good suggestions close to the central belt in Scotland?
+--- 2560707
+Met the legend that is Callum at the car park in Glen Torridon.
+
+He didn't want any carrot, apparently his thing is chocolate Hobnobs
+--- 2561022
+>>2560535
+foxes and deer but each one it's like they're just dying with no marks or trauma which is why it seemed weird, cheers for the response fella
+--- 2561161
+what app/platform/website do you guys use to find stuff to do around you? feel like I got fuck all around me. went to Petworth House last year and that was nice. was thinking of going to a living museum next
+--- 2561164
+>>2543414
+Just realised I was standing where you are in this photo in October...
+>>2561161
+Grindr
+--- 2561200
+>>2561164
+>Grindr
+doesn't surprise me. every brit I've seen and talked to is either a massive faggot or reeks of closet homo
+--- 2561213
+>>2560707
+They shouldn't feed it human food for its own good, absolutely misguided. Derp let's give it a human name and feed it biscuits like a dog
+--- 2561229
+Anyone got plans for the easter bank holiday?
+--- 2561440
+>>2561229
+Yeah
+--- 2561441
+>>2561229
+ohh husbant
+--- 2561475
+>>2561022
+I wouldnt worry about it
+--- 2561504
+>>2561229
+Quick little run from London to Newhaven.
+--- 2561510
+>>2560539
+i wish we still had proper forests lads...
+it saddens me greatly that i'll never see what our island looked like before we fucked it up
+--- 2561520
+I've been doing some indoor bouldering for a while now, what are some good locations for doing the actual thing (without getting myself killed)
+--- 2561547
+>>2558242
+Looks lovely anon, where abouts is that?
+--- 2561575
+>>2561504
+the fuck is that?
+--- 2561580
+>>2561440
+Care to elaborate?
+--- 2561586
+>>2560539
+>>2557377
+Ive camped in location B, by Windemere. Great experience marred only slightly by the newbie wanting to stream netflix.
+
+>>2561510
+You and me both mate. Sometimes when im walking and find a patch where the trees seem unbroken I imagine what it would be like to see them stretch away. I do the same on the hills, when I cant see the towns in the valleys. Just imagine a wild landscape stretching off.
+--- 2561604
+>>2561575
+Vanguard way apparently
+--- 2561646
+>>2561229
+Working on my allotment. Putting in a raised bed and getting thr soil ready for asparagus. Hoping to get a new rucksack (probably one of the savotta ones) before then too, but I'm not in any rush.
+--- 2561662
+did a ~6 mile circular route saturday afternoon. undulating route that dropped into 3 valleys very pleasant but second stage out of bretherdale up to shap fell was very boggy and nearly got turned around trying to find the bridle path. path down from shap was an old roman road and there were some cool abandoned farm houses at bretherdale. ended up being more interesting than expected.
+--- 2561663
+>>2561662
+Lad it's almost 2am. Go to sleep.
+--- 2561665
+>>2561663
+could say same to you pal
+--- 2561698
+>>2542159 (OP)
+in relation to op question as to lessons learned.
+i have learned that in an area of mass tourism and old farm buildings being converted into luxury housing, seeing homes that have been left to nature, holding generations of memories, is much preferable to expensive bougie renovations.
+--- 2562477
+I've not got much time left on my free bus pass, where abouts in Scotland do i go this summer?
+--- 2562662
+>>2562477
+I heard glasgows nice
+--- 2563354
+Thoughts? They're like halfway between a trail walker and a boot
+
+Like £55, seems cheap
+--- 2563475
+>>2560539
+Thanks, this is exactly what I was after
+--- 2563997
+Anyone ever seen tay tay in lake district? I think she lived there for some time
+--- 2564015
+>>2561698
+>live there for 10 years and by law it's my property
+
+If I camp there for 3650 nights, I can claim it as my own. How would one go about this? Would they eventually come and drag me off the thing, saying that I was "trespassing on a historic/natural area" and then I'd lose my squatter's rights?
+
+Make a dug-out shelter in the vicinity of it, hidden underground?
+--- 2564510
+>>2561547
+Glenfinnan
+--- 2564773
+>>2543414
+Fellow millshit user?
+--- 2564783
+>>2542159 (OP)
+>Post British out tales here
+I'm not british I'm american. But I walked the Thames path starting at the ocean and all the way to the source. It was amazing. Britain has some very good trail systems, you are allowed to walk across private property (if it's on the trail). The Thames path is not like the Appalachian trail it is very flat, but so beautiful. And so many chances to stop every few days at a classic pub and have a pint after a long day walking. Slept in tents the entire time, usually in a random person's field. We were always gone by morning and left no trash, the few people who did question us were always surprised and welcoming. Impressed that Americans would do this, very unusual I guess. This was all around the time that Chelsea was in the champions league semis with Barcelona in '11 or '12, I remember getting into a small town exhausted and tired but just in time to catch the game and a few pints with the locals. Good times. Chelsea went on to win that year.
+
+I've also done some of the trails around cornwall, very impressive scenery but the Thames Path, the people I met along the way, the whole experience was incredible for me. I love england and real english culture I hate to see it dying and being overrun.
+--- 2564784
+>>2564783
+I also larped a lot as a roman legionary who was stationed in britain. Seems random but I was reading a book at the time about Romans in Britain and there were a few days that were pretty long, 15-20 mile days in the rain and I larped as a legionary marching in the rain it was pretty kino and I remember that time fondly.
+--- 2565074
+>>2563997
+i'm from the area, she visited once when she was dating harry styles. this was about 8 years ago. was a big fuss at the time but hadn't heard anything about permanent residency though she did write a song about the area.
+
+>>2564015
+from what i saw the area is still on the land of a farm further down the valley. although no one lives there a farmer on a quadbike arrived in the area when we were there and some of the buildings appeared to still be in use for hay storage. so you may have issues with the farmers if you tried to squat. beyond that im not sure, i don't think they're listed historical buildings but as i said they lie on owned land that is still farmed and regularly visited.
+--- 2565094
+I'm thinking of traversing the High Weald.
+--- 2565183
+>>2542679
+>my first time camping overnight
+so your first time camping?
+--- 2565224
+There's a camping spot in some private woodland that my friends have gone to for years, and other random people go there as well. 4 of us went this Friday for 2 nights, left this morning (Sunday), but 2 land owners turned up around 9am before we left this time and 3 of us were still in bed. One of them was pretty pissed and took a video of us, the camp and more importantly the plates on my friends' bikes. My friend who had been awake for a while did the talking, was pretty apologetic and the other guy took it well and calmed the angry one down a bit. Angry one still said he'd call the police if he came back tomorrow and there was rubbish left. Blamed us for mess that wasn't ours and said he's always cleaning up in here, but the last time we came here was August last year and there's still the same rubbish lying around, so we know that's not true. We weren't going to leave our rubbish anyway, but I still litter picked the close area and left it cleaner than when we arrived, so not worried about the police threat.
+--- 2565256
+I kayaked in Windermere (Cumbria) today. Was freaking awesome.
+--- 2565781
+>>2565094
+southern england would be so comfy without all the people in it
+--- 2566080
+>>2565781
+It really is a beautiful part of the country when you manage to find rural spots.
+--- 2566098
+>>2566080
+They're not hard to find, you just need to explore and not tell anyone
+--- 2567650
+can anyone recommend a good penknife (3 inch blade, folding, non-locking), something we cucks can legally carry without needing an excuse
+and suitable for making wood shavings
+--- 2567694
+>>2562477
+follow the A7 south of gorebridge until you find a spot you like
+--- 2567698
+>>2555034
+>>2555062
+right to roam, as long as you're being respectful and leave if asked you can go where you like
+england has like 2% public land and no right to roam
+also the whole dartmoor case is still subject to appeal and not final but yes the posh gits won
+--- 2567784
+>>2567650
+Whitby make good stuff in the UK. Failing that, get an Opinel and remove the collar or use an SAK. Also, consider the fact that almost all /out/ activities are reasonable grounds for carrying a Mora.
+--- 2567824
+i've been told you nonces need special footwear to go a walk
+
+whats wrong with white air force 1s?
+--- 2568105
+>go in to decathlon to buy new boot laces
+>end up spending £70 on random shit 
+>get home and realise I didn't buy the fucking boot laces
+
+On a side note, the forclaz stuff is amazing value. Bought a cook kit and a headlamp and really impressed by the quality to price ratio.
+--- 2568120
+>>2568105
+Decathlon's fucking legit for high street/cheap gear. Their boots do the business and I really like the MH120 fleeces.
+--- 2568121
+Hey I am planning on going wild camping for a few weeks in Europe, I know its probably stupid but it needs to be done.
+
+I will have a largish rucksack with me and I will be potsntially in hostels at some points or stopping for dinner or xoffee etc.
+
+What is the most budget friendly way to track my bag (preferably can buy on amazon) so I can find it if lost or stolen
+--- 2568141
+>>2568121
+befriend trustworthy people, get their number(make sure it actually works), take their picture, and leave your bag with them in exchange for a fair price
+of course there is always a chance you get swindled but if they are willing to let you photograph them and let you check their number works i'd say you have a better than average chance of keeping your stuff safe
+
+or just get a much smaller bag for all your essentials that you strap to your thigh while the gear bag is in the hostel
+--- 2568274
+>>2568121
+Airtags, 25 a piece, need an iPhone tho
+--- 2568447
+What do British campers eat? I imagine You can take as much meat as You can eat since there are no bears/wolves/cougars etc.
+--- 2568486
+>>2568447
+Very much so. The principle limiting factors on camping food are local fire/stove restrictions, and rain. Neither of those are very big limitations either as fire byelaws are laxly enforced in most places anyway.
+--- 2568525
+>>2568486
+could probably have full blown barbeques in the wood if not for all the ants
+--- 2568526
+These are great for UK life. Pulls apart and stashes flat, wighs hardly anything.
+--- 2568564
+>>2568447
+https://www.youtube.com/@KentSurvival/videos
+Pretty much eat whatever you want.

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+-----
+--- 2543379
+Homestead General
+Red Barn Edition
+>Thread 02
+
+This thread is for people who would like to live, or are already living, completely or partially off their land in a self sufficient way.
+
+Old Thread: >>2500534
+--- 2543381
+>>2543379 (OP)
+getting this chart out of the way
+--- 2543794
+I've been dreaming about homesteading for years and it seems like something you have to jump into and figure it out.
+I want a big off grid 800sqft insulated concrete form house with a cellar. On a budget of $60k and ICF not really being something easily modified it seems unrealistic to have everything up and running from the start. I'm thinking about getting a camper, small solar bank, and roughing it for a couple years so I know what is actually needed. Starting small and eventually growing into it. The well will probably cost $4k based on what others have told me. Swap out small propane tanks for cooking and heat. As the 'I wish...' thoughts pop up hopefully a natural flow will develop and things gradually become more self sufficient and leads to a permanent and more comfortable living arrangement. My family has rural land in the Midwest I can larp on so the $60k should be enough to get something started, even if it's not the full orchard, garden supplying 100% of fruits and vegetables, pigs, ducks, rabbits, foundry, machine shop, vaulted underground chamber with pool, sauna, and orangery 100% turnkey from day one operation.
+I'm told the county is lenient so you can build pretty much whatever. Don't even have to do a septic tank since lagoons are legal here.
+No clue what I'm doing but I'm tired of everything. After the well and camper I'm selling my house and hoping for the best. Just want to play little neet on the prairie.
+--- 2543807
+Really wish I knew the answer to the goat vs sheep debate. Should I just flip a coin at this point?
+
+I'd love to have wool for making clothes and stuff (pic related) but I also want milk and dairy sheep are impossible to find around here. Also goats are more profitable. And I have about 10 acres overgrown with multiflora rose which would suit goats far better.
+--- 2543884
+>>2543807
+Sounds to me like goats are the way to go.
+
+Why not get angora goats and use for them to produce mohair wool?
+--- 2544599
+>>2543794
+Nice story anon. You are blessed. Good luck with your adventure.
+--- 2544684
+is this the larp general.
+we already have /hgm/
+--- 2544856
+>>2543807
+get a dairy cow
+--- 2545726
+we went with dairy sheep. awassi/lacon/east fresion cross.
+
+we raise guinea hogs now. did berkshire last year. 
+
+we have red bourbon turkeys, cortunix quail, Americana, Rhode island and rock chickens (not cross bred) and we buy Cornish x rock meat birds each year. we also raise welsh harlequin and silver Appleyard ducks.
+
+we raise Tamuk meat rabbits.
+
+we are moving from the outskirts of our city to a 10 acre homestead in the country in about 3 months... as soon as the house construction is complete.
+
+3 bedroom, 2 bath, 400 sqft basement.
+
+house is triple redundant for off grid and disaster living.
+
+it has complete solar and battery storage, mini-split HVAC, Propane option, wood stove heat, wood cook oven in kitchen, Propane oven in kitchen. 
+
+water well and septic.
+
+year one at the new homestead, so it will grow from here.
+
+we are trying to get our gardens set up. we already have 2 cubic yards of compost to start with, from our current home. 1st year gardens will be hit and miss.
+
+we began planting our orchard last fall and are continuing now. apricots arriving next week.
+--- 2545804
+>>2544684
+Hgm is for gardening? This is for everything /homestead/ minus gardening. Beekeeping, barn-raising, animal husbandry, land-clearing, aquaculture, well-digging, remote work setups, range waifu finding, etc. All /homstread/ related topics welcome.
+--- 2546057
+Any good /horse/ youtube channels? I really enjoy Greg Judy's ranching videos but he doesn't focus on horses much, I tried lurking /an/ but I think they want to fuck horses not raise them.
+--- 2546083
+>>2543379 (OP)
+How do I get my driver's license bros
+--- 2546272
+>>2545726
+Love to hear this anon. What part of the country?
+--- 2546656
+>>2543794
+when my uncle built his cabin he piped in a dugout for water and put in a sewage lagoon
+he rented a backhoe and did it all himself for cheap
+theres a holding tank in the basement, he just adds a small amount of household bleach to the water
+its not potable, but its fine for showers, dishes and flushing the toilet
+he just refills those water cooler jugs at his friends for potable water
+it costs him about $20 a month if he buys it at a refill station
+--- 2546699
+>>2545804
+HGM is for all those things in addition to gardening. This thread is for larping. Notice there is only one post so far from someone who raises livestock of any kind.
+The term "homestead" is a magnet for LARPers and maladaptive daydreamers.
+--- 2546704
+>>2546699
+why does every thread have to be ruined by some poster that has to make it personal?
+every single fucking thread, its the same MO
+name calling, personal attacks, speculation about any dectractors emotional state or ethnicity
+claims that youre triggered, even if you are just politely disagreeing, total projection
+bunch of 'good cop, bad cop' samefag posting
+its the same thing every time
+im convinced its one guy
+--- 2546706
+>>2546699
+this you?
+>"Maladaptive daydreaming (MD) defines excessive use of fantasy which replaces human interaction and/or interferes with academic, interpersonal, or vocational functioning. This study tests psychometric properties of the Polish version of the Maladaptive Daydreaming "
+so if it's interpersonal, and productive toward the self, as such is my relationship with God and my dreams respectively, it isn't maladaptive, but, I think you're just sort of a nihilist about starting over cause you know the owner of the world is satan, BUT, remember the Love between you and God, and then the love between others, that is why you are in this world. That's it. The rest is satan, and iniquity. (not saying I'm good at practicing this either). Plus, it does say, take care of the land, so, whatever land or community you're in, take care of it.
+youre a loser
+--- 2546707
+>>2546704
+Post a chicken or rabbit or even a bee. PLEASE prove me wrong.
+--- 2546714
+>>2546704
+Maybe two or three, but definitely assholes who think they can gatekeep something like going outside
+--- 2546716
+>>2546714
+>gatekeep something like going outside
+Yeah it's really shitty that someone would gatekeep going outside, it's really simple and fun to go outside and there's no way to do it wrong. All that matters is that people get out there.
+So, since you go outside would you mind sharing some of your experiences from going outside? Since this is a homesteading thread I'd love to hear about your homesteading experience or see pictures of your homestead.
+--- 2546723
+>>2544684
+>>2546699
+>>2546707
+>>2546716
+now that they evidence has been provided, the goalposts will be moved
+the evidece will be rejected for something arbitrary
+followed by ad hominems, deflection, cherry picking, even outright lying
+every dishonest tactic he can muster
+when that doesnt work hell start same fagging with a slightly more reasonable perspective to create the illsuion of consensus
+its the same shit every time, its the same guy
+its probably a schizo from pol
+--- 2546725
+>>2546707
+How can i start with chicken? Do you have pdf, books and how can i build a chicken coop? Also do you have some blueprint for a good chicken coop?
+--- 2546727
+>>2546716
+Started off subtle, but it's still obvious you're salty. 4/10
+--- 2546732
+>>2546707
+and by the way, what kind of retard feeds his chicken whole corn
+get a mill dumb shit
+--- 2546736
+>>2546723
+Awesome sheep man, I wish there were more people in this thread like you
+>>2546725
+Unfortunately I can't really help you because I was in a unique situation where I was able to barter for a chicken coop that was way nicer than anything I could make myself so I don't have any blueprints for you. If I were you I would find a YouTube video on how to build one and follow it along, making minor modifications if necessary for your situation. There is a ton of information on YouTube and online in general about chickens. I would personally not waste any money on books.
+>>2546727
+>>2546732
+Still waiting for pics, "homesteader"
+--- 2546738
+>>2546736
+>Awesome sheep man, I wish there were more people in this thread like you
+>Still waiting for pics, "homesteader"
+now hes pretending to not know that im the same guy
+i told you, i fucking told you he would reject the evidence
+how can a supposedly religious person be so dishonest?
+--- 2546742
+>>2546738
+Well, in his defense, there are no default poster IDs on this board that I can see. Other than that he's a useless cunt who didn't read the OP.
+--- 2546744
+>>2546738
+If (you) are the guy complaining about gatekeeping than I am not really sure what your problem is because as someone who raises livestock (you) are not the problem. The problem is the people who do not and will not ever garden/homestead/farm/whatever outnumbering people like you and me 10 to 1. At best they add nothing to the conversation and at worst they regurgitate false information and become belligerent when called out. Keeping them out of the conversation is not gatekeeping anymore than ignoring sex advice from a virgin is gatekeeping. Even such I am happy to answer legitimate and thoughtful questions they may have, but I won't be entertaining questions like "how much land to I need to be 100% self sufficient" or "how much money do I need to run away from my parents and build an off grid cabin" etc 
+If you are the person talking about milling corn I don't do it because the chickens eat it as is so milling would be a waste of time. I buy "deer corn" on sale after hunting season as a cheap feed supplement for the winter.
+--- 2546764
+>>2546744
+to actual farmers were all larpers
+we dont know shit
+--- 2546778
+hey /homesteaders/ I bought 1 acre of land on a Greek island that gets tons of visitors a year. It is located a big off the beaten path though which is good, I get my space.
+
+I want to make it into a permaculture/homestead type place and sell high-value yippie shit to the tourists and potentially all the restaurants that serve them.
+
+Some thoughts:
+>microgreens for restaurants
+>selling "native plants seed balls" for like 1$ for 3, literally just mud and seeds in a small burlap baggy
+>get some weird bird like emu and charge money to take a pic
+>sell special salt from sea water that I dehydrate
+
+anyone have other ideas? Im thinking of buying more land to be self reliant, but for now this will do
+--- 2546780
+>>2546764
+kek, some leathery old codger is standing in a field right now with his pitchfork saying "fucking larpers, they should lurk moar"
+--- 2546868
+>>2546778
+Beekeeping is very rewarding and easy to sell. Difficult to turn a profit depending on your market.
+--- 2546884
+>>2543807
+You could raise both. Goats browse while sheep graze, so as long as you have both brush AND grass they can both feed. Only issue is some differing mineral needs like copper. Sheep need less of it and can OD on goat copper supplements. I once heard someone recommend putting the mineral lick somewhere high that the goats can climb to but the sheep can't.
+
+Goats are definitely easier than sheep and tend to have better milk production, so bear that in mind if you can only have one.
+--- 2546967
+>>2546868
+Yea i will do beekeeping but just for me and friends and family
+--- 2547163
+>>2543379 (OP)
+I'd like to give homesteading a shot. While I'd like to start small, land around me is expensive as fuck (like $100k+ for 1 acre) and still located in/close to neighborhoods. There is a forested 5-acre plot that's actually fairly cheap (comparatively), but I worry that might be too much land for starting out.
+
+I'm also hesitant about moving more than a couple hour drive away from family and friends, as I feel like they're the only thing keeping me from going full social recluse and I would miss our biweekly gatherings. If I wasn't single moving away wouldn't be so intimidating, but tfw forever alone.
+
+Do I just bite the bullet and buy expensive land, figure out a plan for the 5 acres, or admit I'm a cuck who thinks too much?
+--- 2547168
+>>2547163
+For more info, I'd plan to build my own home on the land, raise a few chickens (maybe someday goats), grow some food, and use solar to try and reduce grid dependence.
+--- 2547239
+>>2546778
+that's actually super cool. Pick-your-own and charging for it might be a good business. Those operations tend to have great margins, with the trade-off being that they cannot scale easily.
+--- 2547243
+>>2547163
+>>2547168
+first you have to get a job
+--- 2547253
+>>2547243
+I do have a job...
+--- 2547346
+>>2546780
+yes I am
+--- 2547348
+>>2543794
+>Swap out small propane tanks for cooking and heat.
+You're not off grid or homesteading if you're dependent on the grid for fuel. Even if you're not aiming for off grid try to minimize your dependency on the grid as much as possible to prepare for bad times. Aim for a place that has enough trees for your heating and cooking needs. Calculate the BTUs you'll need in a year, convert that to trees you'd need per year, and then buy a lot with 15-20x those trees and replant 1-2x what you chopped down the year before. I consult with energy use and this is how I help rural/off gridders heat themselves.
+
+Hell, I just get a salvage permit for my cabin/camping, way cheaper than a felling permit. All in all good dream anon I wish you luck. Try and do as much work yourself if you can, cost of labour is a real bitch now.
+--- 2547390
+what i bought
+--- 2547405
+>>2547390
+>$79
+???
+--- 2547413
+>>2547405
+!!!!
+--- 2547645
+>>2543379 (OP)
+How bad would it be if I set up in the general area near a wastewater treatment plant?
+--- 2547648
+>>2547645
+You might get some shitty results.
+--- 2547949
+>>2546967
+And for me, great thanks!
+--- 2548234
+>>2547163
+good luck anon
+--- 2548453
+>>2547163
+>>2547168
+I'm in the same position, been researching this for a long time. Last year finally bought a small plot of land. I'd recommend that you don't go balls deep yet. You should buy a plot of under an acre, whatever you can afford, and try small scale projects. Yes wooded land tends to be cheaper but clearing it can be a lot of labor and/or expense. Plus installing utilities, which you will need if you want to build a home or sell it at some point. This is why I recommend you just buy a regular vacant lot, they will be already cleared and typically have utilities so you have a clean slate and it's feasible to sell it at a later point. The ones in core urban areas tend to be expensive, but if you go a bit further out you should eventually be able to find one for around $30k/acre, unless you live in some yuppie-infested shithole.
+
+A typical suburban plot of 1/4-1/2 an acre is plenty to grow most if not all of your diet plus keep some chickens for eggs. You could also get some goats and import feed but IMO that defeats the purpose since ideally you should be grazing them. With larger livestock in general I think it's much better to lease grazing land by probing the area and asking people if you can lease. I don't have any animals yet but I started doing this just to see. Before buying my plot I also asked dozens of people to lease their land for growing crops, and it seems people are way more receptive to grazing than growing crops. Probably because you're just letting animals roam for a while rather than tearing up their ground to create a jungle. For more on this I highly recommend Greg Judy on jewtube.
+
+Also mowing lawns is a good idea. On top of making some cash, if you get a lawn tractor with a bagging attachment you can save the grass to use either for green manure or feeding livestock.
+--- 2548457
+>>2548453
+Also building a house is a ton of work without lots of help. If you really want to do it you should try building a tiny home. And getting it up to code can be a bitch, there are guides for it. If you just want a place to live then buying a prefabbed one is better.
+
+Really if you're on your own the point should be more about developing skills. There's a reason why the few people who succeed in homesteading tend to have a big family and network of people to rely on. To do really serious shit you need to work with others, no matter what the antisocial spergs on here say.
+
+I'd even say that homesteading, or at least an over emphasis on it, is unnatural. It's a relic of the colonial era when people needed to settle vast expanses of untamed land, so families had to split up and work on their own. Even then there was still a good deal of cooperation between families. The ideal is a village-like community full of resourceful people. However those are non-existent if you live in an *nglo country, so here we are.
+--- 2548522
+>>2547348
+I've been reading a bit more about using wood. I was under the impression you needed a lot of land for it but people are getting 0.5 cords wood/acre/yr just growing for timber by grabbing dead or misshapen trees. Switching to all electric or possibly biogas at some point if I ever get animals is doable, but that is probably a harder than using either wood or electric.
+Wood is attractive in the sense that there is less than that can go wrong. More romantic than electric for sure. Are there any books on the subject you liked? I guess it can't be terribly hard to figure out but I'm not at the place right now so I have a lot of downtime. Osage seems like a good one to plant.
+--- 2548663
+>>2543379 (OP)
+bump
+--- 2548668
+>>2548457
+>>2548453
+
+Best of luck to you, anon. Hope it works out nicely.
+--- 2548749
+I'm having trouble starting out tomato seeds. They've been in the starting mix for one week and still no signs of life.
+What am I doing wrong?
+--- 2548773
+>>2548749
+Make sure they're staying warm and wet enough?
+
+Try wrapping some in a wet paper towel in a ziploc baggie and leaving them somewhere warm for about a week
+--- 2549069
+>>2548749
+temp?
+--- 2549083
+>>2548749
+Tomatoes are always hit or miss with me. I’ve had 100% non starters and I’ve had plants which produced in year two.
+--- 2549232
+>>2547390
+Use case
+--- 2549911
+>>2546868
+Bees are great
+--- 2549974
+>>2548522
+Look up the best species which grow in your area for pollarding and coppicing. I’ve been doing it the last few years with some invasive species growing on state land behind my house. I’m far from knowing anything about it except that it works. I get enough wood for a season of campfire cooking, but so far that’s all I’ve really been after.
+--- 2549975
+>>2549911
+>Bees are great
+
+Just split my hive. Hoping it sticks.
+--- 2550270
+>>2549975
+Very nice. 2 queens?
+--- 2550915
+>>2546778
+godspeed anon
+--- 2551232
+Planning on taking down three mature pecan trees this summer. We have more than we can harvest and need the space to put up a barn. Any creative ideas for what to do with the wood? I don't use wood heating much. My short list so far is hugelculture or start producing a mass amount of biochar
+--- 2551321
+>>2551232
+Dry it?
+--- 2551666
+>>2543379 (OP)
+What is the purpose of the small towers on top? Lighting?
+--- 2552148
+>>2551666
+Good question
+--- 2552183
+>>2547390
+How much did it actually cost?
+--- 2552212
+>>2551666
+Improves ventilation.
+--- 2552368
+>>2543381
+What chart is this?
+--- 2552438
+Sometimes I wonder if producing a good part of what I eat is actually possible.
+My dozen chickens are pretty reliable for covering egg-needs, I heard that Dwarf goats are pretty good for cream/milk.
+
+It's the carbs that completely stump me. Potatoes don't grow well here, corn has been really unreliable the times I tried it.
+Got a good harvest from beans, though my family didn't like eating them.
+--- 2552520
+>>2543379 (OP)
+How can I, a poorfag tech-wagie late-millennial saving up for land and living with family, get started with homesteading projects to make things less "zero to one hundred". Have yard, but I don't want to dominate the space. Ideas?
+--- 2552524
+>>2548522
+How much is "a lot of land" to you? 3 acres of moderate to heavily forested, well managed by you, is plenty to support a single homes needs in a northern cooler climate forever.
+--- 2552546
+>>2552438
+Keep trying more staple crops until you hit mix and amount that works. Overcoming the eating habits of family is the hardest challenge of you have the average to pull of the carbs part
+--- 2552735
+>>2552438
+I realize this may be more of an ideological desire on your part than a practical one, but a good middle ground may be developing a personal comfort with trade and then switching over to rice. A diet of rice means that you can avoid processed carbs and all the baggage/obesity/diabetes that impacts normal westerners. Rice is dirt, cheap, easy to cook, and allows you to focus your farming on everything else. 
+
+A good healthy diet like what is found in East Asia has a mass of more than 60% fruits and vegetables, then much smaller amounts of rice and animal protein. 
+
+Your children, growing up with a daily intake of eggs, milk, poultry, and a small bowl of rice will keep them strong, lean, and healthy.
+--- 2552740
+How do I cope with the fact I'll eventually need to cull my animals, for food or otherwise? I want to have some chickens and something bigger like goats or sheep, but I'm worried about being devastated emotionally when their time comes.
+--- 2552754
+>>2552735
+Look up diabetes rates in rice cultures. You'll be disappointed with severity
+--- 2552796
+>>2552740
+Offer thanks to their spirit for the sustenance.
+--- 2552800
+>>2550270
+>two queens
+I’ll check in a couple weeks. I took five frames full of brood, honey, and capped queen cups to put in the new hive and checkerboarded the old one. Hopefully both hives are queen right when I check in two weeks.
+--- 2552803
+>>2552796
+Does this actually make any guilt go away?
+--- 2552804
+>>2552803
+I don’t know. It’s the native way. I grew up hunting - and killing animals I raised. Not always for food. Taking care of an old dog you’ve had since a pup is probably the hardest thing anyone can do.
+--- 2552807
+>>2552804
+>Taking care of an old dog you’ve had since a pup is probably the hardest thing anyone can do
+My family didn't hunt or anything like that, but I can relate to this. Granted we took our dogs to the vet when their time came, but it was still absolutely soul crushing. I suppose I would just need to live with knowing I gave my animals the best life I could while I had them
+--- 2552810
+>>2552807
+One of the things they did in the past was keep a productive animal as long as possible. Is the hen still laying? The cow still producing milk? Pigs are whatever.
+--- 2553191
+>>2543379 (OP)
+good thread
+--- 2553227
+>>2543379 (OP)
+
+Any fish farmers here?
+
+The most peaceful way to kill a fish
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jazDzYdXmDc [Embed]
+--- 2553254
+>>2543379 (OP)
+Question for people who have made it: How much free time do you usually have after daily shores?
+--- 2553399
+>>2552803
+I had to turn most of my animals into soup for awhile till I got used to the guilt. I didn't grow up hunting or anything.
+--- 2553430
+>>2553399
+Stop being a pussy
+--- 2553441
+>>2553430
+I'm killing and eating critters. What else do you want in this pissing contest?
+--- 2553531
+>>2553399
+good luck anon
+--- 2553537
+>>2543379 (OP)
+How do I meet homestead quality wife-able QTs?
+--- 2553541
+>>2553537
+much like a prize-winning hog, you have to nurture them yourself.
+--- 2553567
+>>2553541
+So what, trick some lady into my basement and nurture her into the ideal stockholme syndrome homestead wife?
+--- 2553697
+>>2553227
+Thats just a lobotomy for fish...
+--- 2554340
+>>2553537
+According to the prior thread, this is the hardest problem when homesteading. Cities act as a vacuum and fill the impressionable with degenerate values. Lifestyle makes certain women unable to get married in the future.
+
+>>2553697
+Ikegaki and similar methods are not as widespread as you imagine. Essential for preserving, taste in fish and reducing animal cruelty.
+--- 2554655
+>>2553537
+Good luck anon
+--- 2554661
+>>2553537
+ugly church* girl is probably the best you'll do for joining you in your faggot shack.
+*the extra kooky kind
+--- 2554922
+>>2553227
+nice fish
+--- 2554926
+>>2553537
+Smell nice. Be smart. Be kind. Be interesting.
+--- 2555280
+>>2543379 (OP)
+Is it a bad idea to buy reclaimed strip mine land? The land I'm looking at was mined for coal more than 30 years ago and was reclaimed pretty good. It has several acres of pine that will return most of the cost of purchase in less than 5 years.
+
+Is heavy metal contamination still an issue after 30 years? I want to turn most of the land into garden and pasture. I was going to make an offer on it tomorrow.
+--- 2555353
+>>2555280
+Heavy metal contaminated more or less doesn't go away
+--- 2555419
+>>2543807
+>>2546884
+Trying both is a good idea... You will never truly know until you see them for yourself. I did both and just made sure to put out sheep mineral buckets and then gave each of the goats a copper bolus, which is a little pill with copper shards... It gets in their digestive tract and they absorb it over the course of a year, meaning they get copper without ricking the sheep ODing on it.
+
+After my experience, I found that sheep are tamer and easier to keep in a fence. They tend to be more skittish though, so a good catch system and a lot of hands on time is important with them. Goats are BUTTS. Like if I had to give them all an analogy, it would be that sheep are dogs and goats are cats. Goats are bully's through and through, even when they are sweet. They won't fight you, but they will climb all over you to reach food and they break out of fences all the time, so a really good fence is a must. If there is a way out, they will find it and they will poop all over your porch.
+
+Unfortunately, sheep aren't really good for milking... So I'm stuck with a bunch of bullies that keep pooping on my porch.
+--- 2555439
+It's still another month until I can plant out and I keep ordering/buying plants and seeds. Send help.
+--- 2555443
+>>2555280
+maybe, maybe not
+I'd pay a company to analyze a sample of soil and a sample of groundwater from the place
+it's not that expensive in the grand scheme of things and will come in handy if/when you start growing crops
+--- 2555474
+>>2555280
+sunflowers will pull up heavy metals
+just use any extra seed as birdseed
+--- 2555518
+>>2552740
+Not trying to be condescending, but....
+Does it bother you to buy meat from the store? If anything, that should bother you more because most of those animals live off minimal pasture and they live very short lives. With your own animals, you call the shots. You decide how long they live, which means you could let them live longer. You manage the land they graze on, so you can make sure it isn't overpopulated. You take care of their medical needs and handling,so the handler-animal relationship will likely be a closer bond than they would have had elsewhere. You can give them an all around better life and be more self sufficient in the process.
+What I found the hardest, is actually accidental deaths. You are going to have animals just up and die on you. Most of which is because herd animals are really good at hiding when they aren't well. You have to be very attentive to their normal behaviour to pick up on the early signs. Sometimes you won't know until it's too late, but you will never pick up this skill if you don't start somewhere.
+
+My advice for this is to make friends with someone who already homesteads... You can find them on craigslist by the ads of new livestock for sale. Ask around and see if any of them will give you hands-on, in-person advice since you might be buying your starting animals from them.
+--- 2555720
+>>2552754
+This is primarily because EA/SEA cultures don't have as long a history of dairy and appropriate exercise.
+
+Processed foods have also rekt them since the 20th century. 
+
+On average for a person who gets appropriate exercise, a diet that is heavy on home-prepared veggies and rice is superior to a diet that is heavy on factory-prepared processed carbs products.
+--- 2555722
+>>2555280
+you could just farm trees
+
+or not eat the food you grow
+
+consider aquaculture as well
+--- 2555732
+i am planting pumpkins this year
+--- 2556302
+>>2555732
+why pumpkins anon?
+--- 2556423
+>>2543794
+glhf
+--- 2556572
+>>2555732
+Lost another one to the pumpkin cult.
+--- 2556815
+>>2556572
+what meme?
+--- 2556819
+>>2548749
+It takes about a week for tomatoes to germinate, they might just pop tomorrow.
+--- 2556820
+>>2551232
+Idk how it differs with pecan, but any hickory wood is too awesome to just throw back in the dirt. Great wood for smoking meat, great hard wood for specifically tool handles but also anything else. I'd use the lame trees for biochar or Hugel.
+--- 2556943
+>>2556302
+i have seeds from last year
+>>2556572
+is it any better if i got introduced to it by my uncle and aunt from their patch
+--- 2557559
+>>2551232
+Build a bee stand for bees
+--- 2557567
+>>2552438
+Have you looked into growing sweet potatoes, peanuts, wheat, barley, rice, oats, and rye ?
+--- 2557669
+>>2547348
+Wood is great but I would really recommend having propane or some other backup system with a thermostat, even if it's just a big Mr Heater. If you only have wood you can't just leave town for a week or your pipes and canned food and so on will all freeze and break. So if you're building one piece at a time it makes sense to start with propane and add the wood stove later when you can afford it and have the time to install it.
+--- 2557817
+>>2543379 (OP)
+I am trying to fix this patch of soil that got completely disgusting because we had to keep a bunch of sheep and goats here.
+
+It is basically just pure shit that has been rained on a lot and it never seems to dry out.
+
+I tilled it some today in hopes of aerating it to encourage breakdown, but I think I may need to add something to it. Pure Carbon source to help fix the C/N balance, maybe?
+--- 2557825
+>>2557817
+woof
+--- 2557830
+>>2557825
+Yeah. It's truly wretched. Smells terribly disgusting. Rotting egg, manure, shit when I was tilling it. 
+
+3-4 inches of pure anaerobically fermented goat and sheep shit.
+--- 2558033
+>>2557817
+Been there. Add hay or wood chips. You can go to a local lumber mill and buy wood chips by the truckload for pretty cheap. Or you you get hay bales and use some for this and some for weed prevention in a garden since it's about time to start planting
+--- 2558435
+>>2557817
+gross
+--- 2558481
+>>2558033
+Ty for the advice. I was considering hay so it would break down a bit faster. Thoughts on using sawdust? If my thinking is correct the sludge needs a lot of carbon to balance things out, and saw dust would break down fairly quickly.
+
+I have 640sq.ft of raised beds and a greenhouse I mainly plant in. I'd like to try and fix this patch as a sort of learning thing, and to plant a huge patch of sunflowers.
+
+If I do fix this ground it should be pretty fertile, right?
+
+>>2558435
+I'll post some more pictures of it tommorow. That isn't even the worst of it. Be thankful you can't smell it lol.
+--- 2558523
+>>2543794
+
+anon just get a remote job and outsource your labor to an AI.
+
+Running LLaMA locally:
+
+https://medium.com/@martin-thissen/llama-alpaca-chatgpt-on-your-local-computer-tutorial-17adda704c23
+--- 2558524
+>>2558481
+morbidly curious about the impending photos
+--- 2558563
+Second year, still so much struggle. 
+I've got five cubic meters of weeds piled up that won't compost or aren't suitable for composting. 
+The cost of arborists is greater than the net value of my fruit. 
+My lawns are thatched over and I don't have the machinery to aerate it, the $1500 mulcher is still waiting on parts, potatos didn't grow well because I planted them too close to tomatoes. Rookie error.
+The berries didn't sell fresh at wholesale rates and the jam didn't sell either. A flood washed away all my raddish and cabbage.
+
+I'm working seven hours a day for money and just come home exausted, I've been injured twice and am severely demoralized by the accumulation of things which I either can't afford to get done or don't know how to do.
+--- 2558717
+>>2558481
+Sawdust might work if that's what you have available, but I suspect chips would work better. Once it's not sludge anymore, it should be SUPER fertile ground
+--- 2558723
+>>2558563
+Look at carrots cash flow or farm small farm smart. You can glean a lot of market garden tips
+--- 2558745
+>>2558524
+Here you go. Remember this ground has been wet like this for probably 4+ months.
+--- 2558747
+>>2558524
+Scrape away a little of the surface muck and you can see the true horrors.
+
+>>2558717
+Awesome to hear. Figured as much.
+--- 2558897
+>>2558747
+>>2558745
+thanks for sharing. terrifying anon
+--- 2558967
+>>2557817
+>>2557830
+If pic is all that is destroyed; plough in a 20/80 mix of diatomaceous earth and sand/fine gravel. That shit patch will then be some of your most productive dirt you've ever had.
+--- 2558982
+Did I make a mistake getting chickens? I have a house and a couple acres the middle of nowhere and I already take care of a well trained dog and a few cats.
+I was partway through building a coop and already had a lot of supplies for the chickens. I just had to keep telling myself that it would work out.
+Now I finally have them after two years of thinking about it and lots of research, and I immediately think it was a mistake.
+My concern is that I wont be able to take care of them properly and that I will somehow fail at it. I just doubt myself a lot.
+I got barred rock chickens because i think that they would be a fairly easy breed to work with.
+--- 2559015
+>>2558481
+I always had good luck with Royal Hybrid and Super Snack sunflowers for eating seeds. They get around 6' tall and have a 8-10" head. I've alsogrown other sunflowers like russian mamoth, sky scraper, pikes peak, and american giant. Those are okay for seeds but since they get so tall they need a long season to form full seeds.
+--- 2559046
+>>2543807
+sheep are based
+--- 2559214
+>>2558982
+Nah man. Just keep at it. Chickens are pretty easy and you can do it. Your biggest hurdle now is to finish the coop before they outgrow the brooder. Once you get that done, just make sure they have food and clean water and you should only need to check on them twice a day (morning to let them into the run and evening to lock up after the go to bed) Barred rocks are a good choice. Did you get pullets or straight run?
+--- 2559221
+>>2559214
+I got pullets because I was doubtful about taking care of a rooster. It should be ok without one. 
+The run that I build should be safe, as I always overthink things and always over prepare. I have a lot of predators around though, so I am still worried. Coyote, raccoon, foxes, mink, hawks, and owls all hang out on my property.
+--- 2559245
+>>2559221
+You still get the occasional cockerel in the mix. But they're easy animals and no picky about habitat. It's mostly predators, including humans and dogs that are an issue. And interflock conflict
+--- 2559265
+>>2559245
+I will keep an eye on them to see if one is a rooster. I may or may not keep them if thats the case, it will probably depend on their behavior.
+--- 2559269
+>>2559265
+You got to cuddle and embarrass
+ A rooster to keep them friendly and even then sometimes your get a dick.
+--- 2559283
+>>2559221
+Pullets is good. In my experience, a straight run is mostly roosters, which leads to a lot of fighting and, of course, not as many eggs.
+
+
+As >>2559245 said, you could still end up with a Roo, but it's not going to be so many as to cause problems. As long as you have them in a run that is secure from coons, you should be fine without a rooster. I would definitely pick one up though if you decide to let them free range at all when they are older. A good rooster will protect his ladies. My first one would charge across the yard any time he heard one of his ladies cry out if something spooked her. He looked mean, but was super easy to be around... I would not have called him friendly per se, but he wasn't the slightest bit aggressive towards humans, which mattered because he could stand up almost as tall as my toddler. I would avoid wyandotte roos because they are they opposite. We had them and they would jump at EVERYONE. Some decent roaster breeds would be White Rock (that was mine), barred rock, Rhode Island Red.
+
+Rhode island red would be especially good for you if you decide to raise your own chicks later. RIR rooster with Barred rock hens is a very popular sex-link so you know the cockerels from the pullets at birth.
+--- 2559412
+>>2546699
+I've been on 4chan for near a decade and realized there is no agriculture and livestock interest board. I was pretty surprised considering all the others. I've just now discovered /homestead/ and /HGM/ being the only places to talk about these topics. What is it then? Homestead has legal precedence in the United States and other British colonies as an official legal term. United States has dozens of Homestead Acts in our government regarding settling the western frontier. Even the modern concept of homesteading term that is so popular has origins in 18th century agriculturist philosophy. By broad definition a homestead is a home and it's adjoining land belonging to a family. It's an ancestral home. Basically a generational estate. I don't see why gardening should be separate from anything. We used all have gardens whether urban or rural living. It's really all about just making the best out of what you got on your land. Making your home produce resources. Working the land for both subsistence and income. For me, I don't know much. I'm brand new and lived in a city most my life. I plan to get several acres and just go for it. I just want to be farmer. I don't give a shit what you call it. Honestly I don't see the difference between the two generals.
+--- 2559439
+>>2559412
+I don't see a difference between them, so I follow both. There might have been a distinction at one point or another, but all of the topics interlace with each other, so it's not surprising that they both cover the same topics now.
+--- 2559460
+>>2558982
+How many chickens are we talking about here? I'm not hearing a specific problem, maybe you're just anxious about the whole thing.
+--- 2559477
+>>2559269
+>>2559283
+Thank you.
+I will learn to work with the rooster if that is how it turns out.
+I did not really plan on letting them free range just because of the amount of predators. There are a lot of hawks in particular.
+I had narrowed it down to a few specific breeds, like the rhode island red, but I ultimately decided on barred rock because I like the feathers. I really hope this works out.
+>>2559460
+I got seven of them.
+You have to buy a minimum of six, and I didnt want to leave one alone in the thing at the store. I think that I would have preferred five, I dont know why. Maybe I feel like less can go wrong with less chickens. I am quite anxious about it, I worry a lot. Its a problem of mine.
+--- 2559540
+>>2552438
+>Got a good harvest from beans, though my family didn't like eating them.
+What's wrong with your family?
+--- 2559603
+>>2546778
+based tourist fleecer
+open a "museum of local rural culture" full of random trash and rusty old tools people dig up in barn and would throw in a bin
+--- 2559745
+>>2546778
+Peacocks, or "Juno's bird" are relatively cheap at around ~$10 per bird. They also cost about as much as a chicken to keep, and fit into the tourists' idea of what Greece looks like.
+--- 2559897
+>>2558982
+They're cheep livestock. Failure just means they die. Learn from your mistakes. Move on
+--- 2559957
+>>2543379 (OP)
+bumpi
+--- 2560021
+>>2546778
+Onions, Hardneck Garlic, and Shallots
+--- 2560039
+>>2560021
+Beautiful photo
+--- 2560350
+>>2558747
+>>2558745
+>>2557817
+
+Need some soil thickener
+--- 2560385
+Chicken update. They seem happy in their new pen and I am feeling much better about them. I used my dogs little pool, that she hates, as a new enclosure. I have also been trying to handle them to get them used to me. They have started jumping a lot. 
+>>2560021
+Very nice! I just love garlic so much. It was the first thing that I successfully grew on my property. I harvested a lot of hardneck garlic last year and gave some to my mom.
+--- 2560504
+>>2560385
+Nice chickens
+--- 2560928
+>>2560385
+Cool. Always glad to hear that someone else grows hardneck garlic. What kind did you grow ?
+--- 2560978
+>>2560928
+Purple stripe. Very tasty
+--- 2561315
+>>2560021
+love shallots
+--- 2561487
+How realistic is it to entertain fantasies of homesteading and raising some livestock if you’re a trucker who is gone five days out of the week? Like can I build a giant chicken enclosure and leave enough food and water out for the week and have them be OK? I know they have automated systems for watering gardens and what not but I really want goats and birds
+--- 2561571
+>>2561487
+You would probably need to set up a good camera system. If something goes wrong you're screwed. Also there will be daily chores 100% necessary to be there for. If you think you can make money just hire someone.
+--- 2561725
+How many desert acres do you think it would take to support 6 or so sheep?
+--- 2561733
+>>2561725
+Depends if you're going to let them "graze" on scrub or buy feed for them
+--- 2561789
+>>2545726
+Good luck, sounds like a rock solid foundation!
+--- 2561791
+>>2553567
+it's what I am doing at least. Be upfront about your plans
+--- 2561792
+>>2555732
+which varieties? I'm growing butternut, hokkaido, crown prince f1.
+--- 2561799
+not exactly homesteading but ive started to get into planting shit, rn only planted 3 berry stick tree things, very excited to see how itll go
+--- 2561977
+>>2561487
+>homesteading
+>never home
+What's the point?
+--- 2562019
+>>2546706
+I love you anon
+--- 2562044
+>>2546704
+/out/ has a lot of gatkeepers
+
+Very dumb
+--- 2562049
+Egg haul
+--- 2562070
+Yeah whatever there's some dumbo dumbing, big deal.
+Here's my wabbit. I want to get him a gf, but I fear they will become too numerous. Also I don't have a place to hold them, and this little dude goes away all night as it is; with enough of these the smell will attract the coyotes and it won't be nice.
+Yeah, I could eat them, but like >>2552740 I can't get myself to do it. I couldn't kill an aggresive rooster, let alone a fluffy rabbit.
+Man I need to man up.
+--- 2562071
+>>2552520
+Perennial shrubs. Maybe a nut tree, depending on your climate, hazel would be good, if your site is big enough. Besides the hazel, find out what shrubs grow in your area, go take a walk. You might be able to grow blackberries, raspberries, gooseberry, and in he shade of those fellas, all the herbs you can find. Lavender, basil, rosemary, thyme.
+Separate the organic waste from your kitchen, throw it in bin or just pile it up at the back of the yard, rake the leaves on summer and throw them on top. Give it a turn every month or so, and after 6 months use it as fertilizer for your stuff. Pull out any weeds that seem to affect your plants, such as climbers, or anything that starts to take up space from your plants.
+Use some of that compost to try and grow anything that comes your way.
+--- 2562320
+>>2552740
+Start by just shooting them in the skull with a .22 or 9mm to start. About as quick, easy, and painless as you can get.
+--- 2562326
+>>2562044
+I'm sure lots of people here have cats whys that dumb?
+--- 2562430
+>>2543379 (OP)
+Bumpoo
+--- 2562471
+>>2561977
+I would be gone five days and four nights out of the week. Still home on the weekends
+--- 2562513
+Anyone have some game changing revelations they could share? Things you wish you could have known sooner?
+
+I'll start...I always thought that goat kids should be separated at night and milk the doe in the morning before reuniting them for the day. But this meant mid-night bottle feeding and waking up early to milk the goat. I am NOT a morning person and I move like a slug until about 10am even though I am usually up for hours before that. 
+I started separating them in the morning, milking after dinner, and then reunite for bed time. I just walk out in my PJs and let the doe our before I start breakfast. She gets all day long to browse the brush around our house and can come check on her babies through the fence as often as she likes. I'm fully alert and awake when I go give them bottles and am able to enjoy the time with them. She gets milked on a more regular schedule because dinner is usually at 6, which puts me outside to milk around 6:30 and her back with her babies by 7pm and I get to go to sleep with only my own children to worry about.
+Also, I learned that I can tie her leg back so she cant step in the bucket during milking! It seems like a no brainier, but I was fighting stompers for so long and now, with the schedule change and the leg tie, miking takes about 10minutes instead of 30 minutes with little to show for it! I'm so excited and happy to have this thing finally working out for me.
+
+What kinds of game-changers have you experienced?
+--- 2562546
+>>2561733
+let's say half and half
+--- 2563011
+>>2562430
+True?
+--- 2563020
+>>2562546
+On good land you can run 6-8 goats a acre. And thats with buying feed. I'd say 1 or 2 per acre in a desert/arid area. Even then you need more land so you can rotate the pasture unless you increase the amount bought feed. But I'm not goat expert.
+--- 2563132
+>>2562471
+I'd suggest pursuing a different career. Or start trucking locally so you can be home everyday.
+--- 2563220
+hi i'm not reading a single post in this thread.
+i have a question for you guys
+how many of you itt live off grid vs how many of you guys just watch youtubes about it?
+--- 2563240
+>>2563220
+Only the siith deal in absolutes. Kill this man.
+--- 2563282
+>>2563220
+I dont live off grid. But I have 6 acres and produce food for myself on it. I fix our own shit and my wife bakes our bread.
+We preserve for winter and produce out own compost. Stared an orchard last year. In the evenings I am stiff from work. I sit on my porch and watch deer play in my yard while my wife makes dinner. Sometimes I play pokemon. 
+
+What have you done?
+--- 2563485
+>>2562513
+Thanks for sharing anon.
+
+Game changer: not from personal experience but make connections with local bank officials and the nearest federal agriculture official. Lot of financing and grant opportunities out there.
+--- 2563556
+>>2563485
+What US states have the best grants and programs for homesteaders starting out? I don't have the money I need yet. Getting there but it helps to have a goal in mind. Also am learning as many diy skills as I can to fix up any structures I might need to.
+--- 2563944
+>>2563220
+Not even close to off-grid, but..
+
+Raising my kids with my wife on 50 acres of land that backs up onto a major river. Got a few tractors, an old truck, keep about 30 or 40 chickens and ducks, multiple food plots, I hunt and fish, and we can and preserve a lot of what we grow. I cut our own firewood, soon will make my own lumber too when I have my mill up and running. Looking to get into raising pigs and a cow or two in the near future after I get some hay equipment.
+--- 2564018
+>>2563944
+May I ask how old you are? Also congrats, I'll hope to be there in a few years
+--- 2564248
+>>2563944
+Can you share what state? And how much you paid per acre?
+--- 2564332
+>>2563944
+I'll be 30 this year
+>>2564248
+Eastern leafistan. I bought a fixer upper house on 5 acres afor 110k back in 2017 and have been working on it ever since lol. It was right next to my grandfather's woodlot, and I was fortunate enough to inherit the 45 acres of timber and marsh when he passed. Hustling to build up a business and some money in the bank so I can make an offer on the 50 acre lot next door in the future so I can have something to pass on to my son.
+--- 2564422
+>>2563282
+>my wife bakes my bread
+What grain/cereal do you use?
+How do you process it? Do you have a combiner?
+--- 2564700
+>>2564332
+> $110k Canadian for house and five acres in 2017
+
+You're very lucky anon. Today, that price would be significantly higher.
+--- 2564755
+>>2546057
+thinklikeahorse does great videos but he can get into rants too often. just skip his rants and look for positive videos. some of his rants can be informative if you never heard them before but trust me even if you agree they get tiresome to hear over and over.
+--- 2564756
+>>2546723
+Thats not evidence
+>the goalpost will be moved
+timestamp and thread number sticky note have been a staple on this website since 2007 you fucking newfag.
+--- 2564771
+>>2564700
+>you are very lucky
+Tell me about it. But it was market value for the area at the time. Based on other listings around me I could ask 6 - 700k for the entire acreage, not that I'll ever sell. I don't envy a young guy trying to put down roots today, seems almost impossible.
+--- 2564804
+>>2564422
+We buy flour. We aren't autistic
+--- 2565064
+>>2564771
+$600-700k Canadian for 5 acres with house in your neck of the woods? That... actually sounds about right for CAN. Certainly would cost at least 2x that in the GTA.
+--- 2565089
+>>2565064
+I was counting the house and 5 acres + 45 acre woodlot.
+
+There a place less than a few km from me, 30 acres with a 30 year old minhome and a couple old old falling down barns and an old farmhouse that has been vacant for 30+ years. Asking $450k
+--- 2565090
+Anyone sugaring tonight?
+--- 2565147
+>>2565090
+Nah, I don't even really care for syrup that much, and everybody and their mother makes it around here. I'll buy a bottle of theirs and it will last me a year or more.
+--- 2565259
+>>2565090
+I have access to a couple of large sugar maples but I didnt have the time this year.
+--- 2565368
+>>2549975
+Just split mine yesterday.
+Feral colony I caught as a swarm out of a bee tree.
+
+They have been the most productive bees I've had. When I went to split them they had 2 mediums and a deep I gave them 6 frames of medium brood and the parent colony still had 2-4 frames of brood and was filling the extra super with nectar already. I had to give them another super to keep them busy.
+> Tl;Dr feral bees are based
+--- 2565379
+>>2565089
+This is total insanity but sounds about right for the CAN / US markets.
+--- 2565403
+>>2546707
+Random muttflock of meme breeds with no concrete purpose.
+
+Backyard chicken keeper detected. Opinion disregard.
+--- 2565471
+>have savings
+>move to northern state where stuff is cheaper (flyover, one of the Dakotas)
+>live in simple apartment, take funds from job to buy land and put shed (or elog house kit or just build with trees on the property) on said land
+>build a simple homestead with job money
+>quit job and live at homestead full time
+>worst case scenario use tech knowledge to do a WFH job
+how retarded is this idea?
+--- 2565555
+>>2565471
+that's more or less my plan as well. I'm a 'self employed' software dev and my goal is to buy a piece of land and gradually build it up. I like my job so I would like to keep working, at least part time, once I'm on the homestead. The best case would be if one of my projects turns into a profitable company.
+--- 2565563
+WATER'S TOO EXPENSIVE TO GROW ANYTHING FUCK
+NO IT DOESN'T RAIN HERE FUCK
+--- 2565631
+>>2565471
+>>2565555
+Have you researched how much it's going to cost to build your house? Kits are expensive and they usually don't include any plumbing or electrical... They are just fancy looking sheds which is why shed to tiny home conversions are so popular... So unless you want primitive housing with no running water and no electricity, you are going to have to figure out how much that costs and if it is even something you are capable of learning how to do.
+
+Don't get me wrong... I'm all for building up a homestead. I did it myself. But I wasn't about to do everything myself from square one. There's a reason I'm not a plumber or an electrician. I used an old, but functional single wide. I opted to put in a well instead of getting on public water. Getting that up in my area (well, septic, electricity, and the trailer moving costs) cost about $30k plus what I spent on the used trailer I found on craigslist and the cost of the land itself. It would probably be more today just because gas prices have gone up so much.
+
+Everything said and done, I would rather buy an old house with some acreage and go from there. Even if it's only 2 acres, it's a good starting point especially if you can get it for less than it costs to put in a new home site. Once you have done enough homesteading that you need more room, you will have improved the property so much that you should be able to sell it for a profit and you will have a better idea of what things actually work for you, rather than going off all the memes that everyone falls for in the beginning.
+--- 2565676
+>>2565563
+>DOESN'T RAIN HERE
+
+make a chembuster
+--- 2565740
+>>2561487
+Well, you could do a lot with etc. timers/smart devices, but you will need a person for back up. 
+
+>>2563220
+In my garden I have pear, apples, plums, blackberry, strawberry, mulberry, cherries, raspberry (yellow, red), currant (white, red, black), grapes, Blueberries, sea berry, quince, pumpkins, carrots, rhubarb, potatoes (new this year) and all kinds' kitchen herbs, and some random mushrooms.
+
+But I live only 15-20 minutes from a 250k city, so not even close to anything off-grid or a homestead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
+
+Kinda happy, but I'm saving money and concentrating on my job to get more remote option and buy some raw land. So i test now and dream for later and collect ideas
+--- 2565850
+>>2565368
+>feral beekeeper
+
+Profoundly based
+--- 2565896
+>>2565631
+I'm doing research when I have free time to do so. I just think of these questions and try to get the answer right away, so I spend less time factoring in something that won't work. Only thing I'm hesitant on is an old building on a property that's not structurally sound.
+For water, I feel like I'm too much of a prissy bitch to go without city water, but I would like to use solar panels if possible.
+--- 2566207
+I have a first year Meyer lemon tree and so far three little yellow lemons about the size of Jellybeans have already fallen off. Is this normal?
+--- 2566228
+>>2565850
+Why pay for bees when you can get local hardy bees?
+
+Worst case scenario I get a hot hive and have to requeen. 
+
+I'm slowly starting to get equipment and numbers in preparation for trying to create superior bees using selected genetics (for my area). Beegenics if you will.
+--- 2566433
+>>2543379 (OP)
+Bumpooo
+--- 2566542
+>>2565631
+
+(>>2565555) I'm a DIY guy so yes, I've looked into how to install e.g. septic systems, electricity, and stuff like that.
+With unlimited money I'd buy an old stone farmhouse with 100+ acres but I'm in my mid twenties and just started working. 
+The way I imagined it was working ~3-4 months full time on the property and then fuck off and work for the remaining time for the first few years. 
+In the first year the time would be mainly spent by analyzing the property, clearing a (small) building site, and felling trees / cutting wood for a first cavin. Once that's done I'd draw up a concrete plan for that first cabin (which one day should serve as a place for inlaws/friends to stay) and build that in the second season. 
+After that shaping the garden, more planning, bigger house, etc. and one day one could move there full time.
+I have a gf and convincing her to live with me in a small shed and shit in the woods is impossible.
+--- 2566567
+Winter squash is one of my favorite vegetables, but I have had really bad problems with vine borers killing every plant I have. Apparently it's the Hubbard type squash that are most affected by them, and that's the cool varieties I try to plant. I've had great success with spaghetti squash in the past, but I really want a "regular" type pumpkin. I've heard C.Moschata is most resistant to the borers, so I'm trying long island cheese this year. Will they be good, or is there something else I should do to ensure success?
+--- 2566591
+>>2543379 (OP)
+I bought an abandoned house with a barren plot of land. I want to plant some trees that are quick to grow and will provide good shade in the future. I'm located in zone 6. I've read about the empress tree - apparently it grows extremely quick, however I've also read reports that it won't properly grow where I'm located due to cold winters.
+What are the quickest growing shade trees for zone 6?
+--- 2566681
+I need a reality check on my pipe dream. There's an uninhabited island in the Aleutians that I've found out about. It looks ideal for making a homestead. The climate is roughly similar to the Faroe Islands, and it'd be perfect for grazing sheep. However, it's "managed" by the Alaska National Heritage Wildlife Refuge. Presumably, I can't just set up shop there. Is it possible to squat there and not get kicked out the second a park janny notices me?
+--- 2566685
+>>2566228
+This is cool
+--- 2566889
+>>2566591
+Hybrid poplar is a fast grower
+--- 2566965
+>>2566681
+This is likely not legal
+--- 2567095
+>>2543807
+Please do milk sheep.
+--- 2567106
+>>2566681
+How would you plan on getting supplies, fuel or replacement parts? Not exactly a quick trip to the hardware store, and doubt anyone would deliver to an illegal squatter on an uninhabited island.
+
+Jannies would be the least of your worries
+--- 2567195
+>>2566207
+Fuck bros two more fell off today, what do I do? could it possibly be too small of a tree for the lemons? I'm not sure why they're turning yellow and then just falling off on their own
+--- 2567209
+>>2566567
+I had terrible luck with vine borers for years, but found that the solution was to tent my vines with muslin when soil temps broke into the 70s (second or 3rd week of June, here). Put out a trap for the adults (yellow bowl of water with a drop of soap to break surface tension), and take your covers off when you go a week without catching one.
+--- 2567445
+>>2566567
+Good luck anon
+--- 2567817
+Alright fellas I've started to make some real steps towards having a little homestead. 
+Currently own a decently sized home with a bigass garage with space for projects, sitting on 5 acres of land. Wife and I started a small garden that honestly might not do too hot but we'll see- we planted tomatoes, strawberries, potatoes, beans, and carrots. We also planted a blueberry bush, a pecan tree (looks more like a fucking stick in the dirt honestly) and a peach tree. 
+About 1.5 acres of the property is fenced out for horses or cattle but local laws say you can only have 2 large animals per 5 acres of land so I'm kind of torn on what I want to do there. We're going to build a chicken coop within the next few weeks and get some chickens for egg laying and maybe a couple of meat birds. 
+
+What else should I try to do with all this land? I'm a first time home owner and honestly outside of working on a small organic farm for a year I don't have a ton of experience. I can give more details as needed because I'm sure this is fairly vague.
+--- 2567838
+>>2567195
+Just one lemon left guys. Anything? Any advice?
+--- 2567852
+>>2567838
+Are you watering it?
+--- 2567864
+>>2567852
+Yes, daily. At sunset so I don't burn it. Gave it a little fertilizer too.
+--- 2567893
+>>2567864
+Maybe you're over watering. Do you let the soil dry out?
+--- 2567904
+>>2567893
+That's what I thought, I only water it for a couple of minutes every day but I'll get in the habit of checking the soil dryness. It's got one little yellow lemon left, but maybe the tree is just too young since it's only about a foot tall.
+--- 2567909
+Caught a swarm of bees in a swarm trap today. Southern Ohio here so if any beekeepers out there that haven't done inspections yet you might be dangerously close to them swarming.
+--- 2567988
+>>2566433
+Too soon???
+--- 2568016
+Link to the server?
+--- 2568107
+Hey anons, do you have any advice for catching pests or naturally deterring them, mainly rabbits and squirrels? The fuckers keep digging up my peas and peanuts or just eating the young sprigs and its rather annoying. Most of the plants are fine, and I snared around entry points to catch the rabbits but have no luck just yet. I was thinking of making a crossbow to pop them when they are running around late at night/early in the morning but I wanted a natural deterrent that I don't have to go to the store to buy.
+--- 2568337
+>>2567909
+Oh wow, that's not good

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+-----
+--- 2543832
+Turns out you can buy land in colorado for 1000 bucks an acre.
+We could farm in the summer and drive semi trucks in the winters for income
+
+Land is getting cheaper for those that have cash. 
+
+If we all bought 5 acre lots in this huge subdivision , we could be far enough away from each other that we have our own space while still being able to do barn raisings and such 
+Should we finally just do this?
+--- 2543854
+>>2543832 (OP)
+If you could grow anything on that land, it wouldn't be $1000 an acre. There's a reason its fucking worthless. For that price, it isn't going to have any water and also isn't going to berth a fuck for ranching.
+--- 2543908
+>>2543854
+Ok so graze sheep instead
+have a little creativity
+--- 2543924
+>>2543832 (OP)
+Where can I buy land for $1,000 an acre? I'll take my tax refund and go buy an acre to live on
+--- 2543940
+>>2543832 (OP)
+>>2543908
+Stop expecting others to jerk your escapist fantasy dicklette for you.
+--- 2543945
+>>2543832 (OP)
+>f we all bought 5 acre lots in this huge subdivision , we could be far enough away from each other that we have our own space while still being able to do barn raisings and such
+>Should we finally just do this?
+And with a little planning and forethought we can be like all those other assholes that buy up all the access to public lands and make them our own private playground.
+--- 2543951
+>>2543832 (OP)
+Wait we are bringing back this post? I still remember when these threads got spammed on /out/ every week and they all got laughed off the board. I'm kind of down with old-school shitposting.
+--- 2544018
+>>2543940
+Someone sounds upset :(
+--- 2544033
+>>2544018
+>REEEEE!!11
+lol.
+--- 2544034
+go ahead and buy land in colorado's high desert. you can park a trailer there and freeze and maybe have a sheep or grow cabbage in the summer
+--- 2544038
+>>2543940
+/out is 98% escapist circlejerking
+--- 2544059
+>>2543832 (OP)
+look at northwest front or the other bullshit people are looking to do in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana.
+Colorado is priced out.
+--- 2544099
+>>2544033
+We get it anon, you learned what maladaptive daydreaming is. you don’t have to keep uploading the same picture in every single thread.
+--- 2544101
+>>2543940
+Do you know where you are?
+--- 2544136
+>>2543832 (OP)
+There be tweekers out there
+--- 2544147
+>>2543832 (OP)
+with that low of a price, there's a reason. They're usually meant for you to camp on to hunt as far as I'm aware. Probably no access to water or power, so you're going to need to drill for water access just to have a well, you're going to need a well house and a pump and everything, but for that you need power. You're probably going to be way too far out to gain access unless you buy a bunch of solar. Okay, so you need the paneling to power not only your house, but your water pump as well. You need the storage bank for the solar, and with how little it rains you're going to need a lot of solar for not just to power the house and the water pump, but now you have to use irrigation for your crops. If I were you, I'd just get something a little less out in BFE because it'd end up being just as much. not to mention if you don't choose to drill a well, and go with water delivery instead, you're going to need a lot for not only whoever's living with you but for your crops as well, livestock, whatever.
+--- 2544173
+A buddy of mine did this 3 years ago. Bought an acre for a few thou outside of Moffat in the San Louis Valley. He parked a school bus on it and lived like a refugee, hauling water from 5 miles away, driving 20 miles into Salida to get groceries from Walmart. He finally realized the error of his ways and sold everything at a loss. Colorado is full of these stories. Unless you have the money to build a house (even if it's a shack) and outfit it with a large enough solar system to run a well (which averages $10k to dig) and keep a vehicle maintained (and have the money to buy another vehicle when that one dies) and pay the property tax and buy food and pay for random medical expenses and buy everything else you need as time goes by, this particular lifestyle is a slow drain on your finances and mental health. I have the cash to buy 5 or 10 acres of land in BFE but after adding up everything I'll need over the years I know it'll kill me in the end. Unfortunately it takes some kind of income to live, and scratching it out on hardscrabble won't work. I've lived in some remote parts of Colorado in log cabins, trailers, and assorted tents and teepees, but the only way I could do it is by working my ass off on various construction jobs or at resorts, which meant having a 4wd vehicle in good shape. "Living the dream" is a euphemism for busting your ass in order to live in the mountains. It's a young man's lifestyle and unless you start a business you'll end up broke.
+--- 2544191
+>>2543832 (OP)
+--- 2544213
+>>2543832 (OP)
+Is this the MGTOW commune guy again?
+--- 2544215
+shocked at the smount of people ITT who don't live on well and septic
+--- 2544224
+>>2544191
+Lol Carbondale the extra bitch ass zone.
+--- 2544225
+>>2544215
+I cashed in for comfy towne life. Saul gud, no more bucking and splitting firewood or paying to have my end of the road plowed.
+--- 2544353
+>>2543854
+Collab with /diy/ and make aquaponics Setup
+From scraps
+--- 2544476
+>>2543832 (OP)
+>We could farm in the summer and drive semi trucks in the winters for income
+
+
+We could also get starlink and work remotely when not growing dopes in the greenhouse
+--- 2544541
+>>2543832 (OP)
+1000 bucks an acre!
+what am i, a millionaire?
+
+https://www.recreationland.net/property/file-10-160-5-acres-in-carr-township-50000-cdn/
+--- 2544552
+>>2544173
+i have lots of relatives living in shacks and trailers in the bush 
+and they invested very little in their land
+they are geniuses of cheapness though 
+equipment operators and truck drivers can make 35 bucks an hour during harvest in my area
+they work really hard for a couple months a year and clear 20k
+maybe pick up a few jobs off season
+pretty sweet life really
+the only downside i can see is that youll never get laid
+--- 2544563
+>>2544552
+>the only downside i can see is that youll never get laid
+Is it really worth all the fuss to get laid? 
+Especially in Australia ? your women are nearly as bad as english women 
+I would rather have a garden in the bush like weedy
+--- 2544573
+>>2544147
+you've never heard of a hand pump well? their possible out here in the wet east. theres even hand dug wells, as opposed to drilled wells that access the water table.
+--- 2544604
+>>2543832 (OP)
+https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/County-Road-U-Saguache-CO-81149/2094366892_zpid/
+Just need 31 other anons
+--- 2544616
+>>2544604
+Damn I just checked out the area and its all pivot farming , must be decent water 
+Also look how close it is to the great sand dunes
+Plenty of out stuff to do
+Endless hiking and mountain biking
+--- 2544651
+>>2544147
+Why so obsessed with electricity? Our ancestors lived without it for literal thousands of years and they were able to make it.
+--- 2544654
+>>2543832 (OP)
+5 acres isn't that much land.
+--- 2544657
+>>2544573
+Only good for shallow wells. Works to about 20'. Deeper than that needs a pump at the bottom of the well.
+--- 2544703
+"hey guys I'm lonely and can't get pussy, plz come live by me, land is cheap and we can snuggle in a truck in the winter if you come by me, plzzzz" thread
+--- 2544716
+>>2544703
+>t. 20 year old who finally got his dick wet, let it get to his head, and now constantly shits up the board with these types of posts
+--- 2544722
+>>2544651
+electricity is nice, 12v solar is cheap if just running led lights and charging devices. it's cheaper long term than buying fuel or candles for lighting. optionally electricity for internet or even a 12 v fridge. etc.
+--- 2544724
+>>2544657
+there's the $2200 one or just get a 12vdc solar system and we'll pump for potentially less money 
+old school windmill pump and water tower?
+--- 2544785
+Solar is pretty cheap these days
+Used panels go for like five cents a watt
+Everyone is upgrading batteries so used ones are cheap as well 
+A well pump does not use that much electricity anyway and can be run only in the daytime
+Southern Colorado is probably the best place for solar in the united states with 3oo days of sunshine but it does not get very hot 
+Passive solar homes only need heat on cloudy days and that can be done with a wood stove 
+In the winter there is a trucking company that will hire us for 1500 dollars a week each, but we need CDLs and will only be home one day a week during that time
+--- 2544902
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc6IOORktZ4&ab_channel=ColoradoCamperman [Embed]
+--- 2544910
+Id be done for it, though one of you homos would have to marry me so that i can get into the US.
+--- 2544945
+>>2543832 (OP)
+At 5 acres apart you’d still regular see each other. That’s not as much as you think it is.
+--- 2544948
+>>2544716
+>all of you telling me to stop shitting on the dining room table are ruining this house!
+--- 2544959
+>>2544033
+"Maladaptive daydreaming (MD) defines excessive use of fantasy which replaces human interaction and/or interferes with academic, interpersonal, or vocational functioning. This study tests psychometric properties of the Polish version of the Maladaptive Daydreaming "
+so if it's interpersonal, and productive toward the self, as such is my relationship with God and my dreams respectively, it isn't maladaptive, but, I think you're just sort of a nihilist about starting over cause you know the owner of the world is satan, BUT, remember the Love between you and God, and then the love between others, that is why you are in this world. That's it. The rest is satan, and iniquity. (not saying I'm good at practicing this either). Plus, it does say, take care of the land, so, whatever land or community you're in, take care of it.
+--- 2544962
+>>2544563
+You people do not understand that like. . . Egypt and Central Africa are more livable than inland Australia. It is a desert like no other, and it is massive. It is easily possible to be 100 miles from the nearest litre of water. There is no "gardening"
+--- 2544965
+>>2543832 (OP)
+Just join one that’s already established.
+http://www.eastwind.org/
+Communal living is tight
+--- 2544968
+>>2544959
+stop molesting children.
+--- 2545019
+>>2544962
+Ok smart guy, then why are the females so ugly while the men are above average attractiveness ?
+Who can thrive in a society like that?
+How do you maintain the drive to excel when there are no attractive women to impress?
+--- 2545021
+>>2543832 (OP)
+Didn't a gaggle of troons try this and they managed to make it their own alpacauschwitz?
+--- 2545038
+>>2545021
+You mean in Westcliffe ?
+--- 2545077
+>>2545021
+>>2545038
+Just got through reading about the tenacious unicorn ranch 
+That is some funny fucking shit right there, the townsfolk are at their wits end!
+I bet they would much rather have a MGTOW commune move in
+--- 2545093
+>>2543854
+There are plots of land in northern Ontario and parts of Cape Breton Island for 600-700/acre.
+--- 2545097
+>>2545093
+But dont you guys have that giant armour plate or whatever that fucks up the soil?
+--- 2545186
+>>2544724
+You still need the well drilled, casing installed, etc. You arent hand drilling 100' of bedrock. Shallow wells access the water on top of bedrock, and really only work in certain soils, mainly sand.
+
+Windmills are still shallow wells. 
+
+Point is you cant assume its going to work. I have the correct soil and terrain on my land but the sandpoint hits bedrock before water. Make sure you have a backup plan like a spring, a river, or enough rain.
+--- 2545239
+>>2543854
+Can this issue not be redemied by building raised gardens? That's what I'd do.
+--- 2545240
+>>2545239
+>redemied
+Fuck, I am retarded. Remedied.
+--- 2545313
+>>2545239
+anon is wrong that nothing grows there
+the zillow property that anon posted was 160 with water and next to tons of pivot fields 
+Thousand dollars an acre and looks like alfalfa everywhere
+That feeds a lot of lambs
+--- 2545446
+>>2544191
+>escape society
+>Anchorage
+--- 2545479
+>>2544191
+At least make your lines parallel to the latitude lines next time
+--- 2545511
+>>2545479
+no
+--- 2545586
+>>2545446
+100 miles in any direction from anchorage and you are in the middle of nowhere
+--- 2545590
+>>2545186
+if people are going to live close they could split the cost of drilling a well, a small solar system with pump and a water tower 
+being next to water would be best especially if it can be fished, water but a turbine for power and a rampump to get the water up into storage
+a spring would be good to if it's potable
+--- 2545591
+>>2545590
+>they could split the cost of drilling a well, a small solar system with pump and a water tower
+and a starlink
+--- 2545695
+>>2545097
+the... Canadian Shield? 
+Yeah. But not on Cape Breton, and not in much of what counts as "Northern" Ontario. Northern Ontario starts at like Timmins.
+--- 2545698
+>>2543832 (OP)
+I can't imagine how fucking annoying it would be to live next to a bunch of poor, useless, autistic, neets.
+--- 2545924
+>>2545698
+Why are you on this board at all if you have such a poor opinion of the people here?
+--- 2545925
+>>2545924
+Might be trying to bring back the old quality of this board instead of this new dogshit you guys have going on.
+--- 2546059
+>>2545925
+You know these commune threads have been here since day dot right?
+In fact, this thread is a throwback to what /out/ used to be
+--- 2546141
+The Better Bachelor guy on yourtube is setting up a place like this in montana
+Its just going to be camping at first with a game room and a shower/sauna/jacuzzi setup but he plans on building cabins and such
+
+I think the first wave up there this summer will be vanlife guys 
+I plan on checking it out on my summer road trip. Will report back
+--- 2546264
+>>2545313
+Pivot fields are often very deep wells and have a tendency to lower the water table requiring home owners to drill even deeper. Check the water table and well depths in the area you are buying.
+--- 2546268
+>>2545590
+Thats true, as long as you trust the guy who has it on his land not to cut you off. People get weird' so best to plan for the worst and hope for the best.
+
+Solar isnt that expensive, if you watch your power usage. I get by on about 20 amp hours a week. 400 watts of solar is plenty for me in WI. I have a little generator I can run for an hour to charge my system if it rains for a week.
+--- 2546271
+>>2546264
+Southern colorado has a weird system where they constantly recharge the area with irrigation canals so that the pivots wells are constantly getting fresh water 
+Someone tried to explain it to me but it didnt seem right
+--- 2546415
+>>2546281
+>The San Louis Valley has no such system. It relies on snowpack
+All watersheds rely on snowpack and runoff 
+But the san luis valley has irrigation from the rio grande as well
+--- 2546448
+>>2543940
+THIS
+
+Why does every faggot on /out/ need to either be talked into going through with their dreams, or need a group to all hold hands together... Dick Proenneke and Forest Anon never had to post threads asking people to link up and help them. They just fucking went off and did their own shit without giving a fuck.
+--- 2546451
+>>2546448
+We want to have a community , if we dont talk about in places like this , we cant get it going
+If this process annoys you , then hide the thread
+--- 2546455
+>>2546451
+Then why does OP have a fucking picture of Dick Proenneke if you guys are all gay commune hippies?
+--- 2546485
+>>2546455
+Living in a place with like minded individuals doesn’t automatically equate to a hippy commune, anon. In fact, I’d guess you’ve never been anywhere rural considering community is all they have out there.
+--- 2546487
+>>2546455
+I think Dick would have endorsed our efforts
+--- 2546554
+>>2546448
+>>2546455
+Well Dick Prenneke and Forest Anon are symbols like Ted and others. They represent alternative /out/ lifestyles. Regardless of what they actually believe they are mascots for other people like homesteaders, peppers, survivalists, neoluddites, tramps, nomads etc. So it's always been appropriate to use their image for threads, even if the threads aren't strictly about mountain man individualists
+--- 2546670
+>>2546554
+Yeah true. Alright fair enough then
+--- 2546825
+>>2546554
+>Forest Anon
+I must have missed this one
+--- 2546827
+>>2546825
+hes that guy with the beard the feds went after. lives in a forest shack feeding bears and taming mice
+--- 2546828
+>>2545019
+Your mind is infected with memes.
+--- 2546829
+>>2545695
+>Northern Ontario starts at 
+Sudbury.
+--- 2546831
+>>2546059
+Back in the day we had a single commune thread. Now we get to have 15-20 commune threads a week.
+--- 2546835
+>>2543832 (OP)
+>Turns out you can buy land in colorado for 1000 bucks an acre.
+
+If you're serious about the idea, go camp there for free for a week or two and see if you like it. There are also a lot of druggies and rapists out there hiding from the law. 
+
+A better plan might be to save up for a fown payment on a cheap fixer cabin that already has well and septic, then go HAM with all of your off grid stuff. Cheaper in the long run that developing frozen desert land from scratch
+--- 2546919
+>>2546831
+>Now we get to have 15-20 commune threads a week.
+Did you mean to type one or two a year?
+--- 2547123
+>>2546825
+https://youtube.com/@ForestAnon
+--- 2547133
+>>2546919
+>t-t-those threads don't count!!11
+sorry son, all commune threads are equally faggy.
+--- 2547155
+>>2547133
+Do you see any other commune threads up now?
+--- 2547649
+>>2547123
+Maybe he will lead us to the promise land
+--- 2547653
+>>2545093
+Lived in cape breton for a bit, quite beautiful, ALOT of natives and reservations though and a huge chunk of the people are ugly as fuck
+--- 2547656
+>>2547653
+So that'll make me a solid 6/10 by comparison
+--- 2547878
+As long as it's a tontine arrangement.
+--- 2547984
+>>2547878
+Its probably going to be one guy buying all the land then illegal structures being built by individual anons
+--- 2548232
+>>2545093
+Can you grow crops on it?
+--- 2548349
+>>2548232
+No because of the giant armor plate
+--- 2548593
+>>2546828
+They are ugly anon
+--- 2548794
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg6Q0hYxVB8&ab_channel=CompassLandUSA [Embed]
+--- 2550374
+What abut wyoming
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK918kdwboo&ab_channel=LANDiO [Embed]
+--- 2550514
+>>2543832 (OP)
+>If we all bought 
+Get a load of this commie
+--- 2550516
+>>2546825
+>not knowing about the mice enjoyer
+Look at him and laugh!
+--- 2550653
+>>2545093
+why treat it by price per acre over its property tax rate?
+--- 2550770
+>>2550653
+That sentence makes not fucking sense whatsoever
+--- 2551187
+>>2548794
+seems pretty dry
+--- 2551822
+>>2550514
+You dont have to be a commie to go in on land with a group of people who have similar goals
+--- 2551983
+>>2550374
+Casper is windy and cold in the winter but great hunting and fishing in the summer
+Lots of oilfield jobs to be had if you have a strong back or a CDL
+--- 2552192
+>>2547123
+Is that a homeless?
+--- 2552589
+Damn, if we had moved faster we could have been preparing for spring plantings by now...
+--- 2552611
+What about kansas?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SJQr7pUow8&ab_channel=LANDIO [Embed]
+--- 2553008
+>>2552589
+I would have thought that in these trying times people would be more interested than ever in leaving the city for life on a MGTOW commune
+--- 2553137
+40 acres for 80k
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6AOs_6MDr0&ab_channel=LANDIO [Embed]
+
+Good hunting nearby
+--- 2553164
+>>2553008
+if they had the work ethic and minimal social skills necessary to function in commune life, they could get a real job and a romantic relationship.
+--- 2553239
+>>2553164
+>they could get a real job and a romantic relationship.
+That is just false
+a man under 5 foot 8 is not getting any romantic relationship unless he is a serous chad
+when will you acknowledge that a third of american males have not had sex in a year
+
+Do you think the newspapers are making this shit up?
+--- 2553253
+>>2553239
+>a man under 5 foot 8 is not getting any romantic relationship unless
+This is of course not true.
+
+>third of american males have not had sex in a year
+[citation needed]
+--- 2553297
+>>2553253
+>[citation needed]
+just trust my defective brain bro!
+--- 2553307
+>>2553239
+try trooning out, it won't fix your low intellect or shitty personality, but you are already unattractive and creepy so nothing to lose there, and once they get you to kill your balls the loss of libido will do you good. I'd also say the sterilization would be a social good but that was never really a risk.
+--- 2553379
+>>2553253
+https://news.iu.edu/live/news/26924-nearly-1-in-3-young-men-in-the-us-report-having-no#:~:text=BLOOMINGTON%2C%20Ind.,BLOOMINGTON%2C%20Ind.
+--- 2553406
+>>2553239
+kek, no wonder manlets are the most sour people I see in the outdoors, even more than fatsos
+
+>>2553307
+Based and Chadpilled advice
+--- 2553482
+>>2553406
+You might think its only a problem for short men, but they are not going to be docile forever in this situation
+--- 2553486
+>>2553482
+Untrue.you can keep people down for generations
+--- 2553487
+>>2553486
+Not without sex you cant 
+You can keep them poor
+You can even starve them till they are near death 
+Take away sex and even any hope of sex and men become violent 
+This is how humans were domesticated in the first place
+--- 2553552
+>>2553487
+incells are as good at violence as they are earning money and attracting women.
+--- 2553555
+>>2553552
+History says otherwise
+--- 2553556
+>>2543832 (OP)
+>>2543924
+I actually bought a few acres. Not all of Colorado is mountains and trees. All that land you are talking about is southeast. Near Trinidad and the like. Extremely arid, basically high desert which is beautiful but not good for much practically. I used my 2 acres to store old trucks.
+--- 2553573
+>>2553555
+>famous person secretly shared my defectiveness!!11
+wrong.
+incells really are just like troons.
+--- 2553782
+>>2553556
+How much did you pay for it?
+How long have you had it ?
+--- 2554004
+what about new mexico ?
+
+https://discountlots.com/why-is-land-cheap-in-new-mexico/#:~:text=Cheaper%20Property%20Taxes&text=Plus%2C%20the%20state%20limits%20property,than%20in%20any%20surrounding%20state.
+--- 2554294
+>>2544033
+I checked with my doc and thats not even a real thing
+--- 2554412
+How much land would it take for one anon to live on in the high desert and be self sufficient ?
+--- 2554461
+Do we trust this guy?
+He has land that is owner financed 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nM_TersgA8&ab_channel=Landmodo [Embed]
+--- 2554644
+>>2554294
+No, he didn't, take your meds.
+--- 2554864
+Ok this was just uploaded , best one yet
+Less than a thousand an acre and not from from a major city 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDrJFTfXAI4&ab_channel=LANDIO [Embed]
+--- 2555130
+>>2554644
+he says the va dont reconize it
+--- 2555245
+>>2553573
+wat?
+--- 2555304
+>>2555130
+>it's not a billable code so it doesn't exist!
+wow.
+thats up there with:
+>I'm not crazy! I've had 5 different 48-hour psych eval holds and they let me go each time!
+--- 2555514
+>>2555304
+stop trying to gaslight everyone
+--- 2555688
+What if we did like an old time community and lived like the Amish ?
+It could be a secular version of shakerism . All of the wholesomeness without the religion
+--- 2555767
+>>2555514
+I miss when "gaslight" meant trying to drive people crazy rather than it's currant meaning of "failing to enable my mental illness"
+--- 2556031
+>>2555767
+I miss when no one used that term at all
+--- 2556981
+>>2555688
+Would starting a cult in order to manage a tax free land trust be morally dubious?
+Thinking about ripping off Mormonism and Ubisoft for a supreme blend.
+--- 2557172
+>>2556981
+all we can do is try it
+--- 2557528
+>>2556981
+What sorts of churches are allowed to ban women?
+--- 2557770
+>>2555767
+I miss when you were in English class, learning how to correctly use apostrophes.
+--- 2557927
+>>2557770
+I miss when we beat autistics and cloistered them from public life.
+--- 2557940
+>>2557927
+I miss your moms fappity beef curtains of her vagootis
+--- 2558636
+>>2557927
+You must be pretty old then
+--- 2558645
+>>2556981
+Let the water wash away your sins, anon.
+--- 2558808
+>>2556981
+men are not as likely to fall for religion stuff
+--- 2559202
+>>2556981
+Lets do it anon
+I am in
+--- 2559247
+>>2543908
+You don't know jack shit about sheep
+--- 2559251
+>>2559247
+You have never been to mexico 
+goats and sheep graze on desert with very little plant life
+--- 2559792
+>>2559251
+Yeah I know that, but that takes a lot of land. More than you can afford and certainly more than a couple of acres
+--- 2559802
+>>2559251
+>>2559792
+I just looked it up and a acre of land is two fifths of a hectare. that is a miniscule amount of grass in a fertile area and in a semi-desert it's nothing.
+You're delusional. get a job or change jobs, but don't come on 4channel to larp we're trying to help you here
+--- 2559824
+I've done the math on this and am actively planning to live the /out/ escapist LARP. 600,000 USD is the number. You're going to pay way more 1000 an acre for land that you can homestead with. Way more.
+
+40 acres of land thats a combo of trees, water, flatland for buildings above floodzones, and grazing pasture. Acquired for 320,000 in 2020. It has a cabin, well, outhouse and I've added makeshift solar. Eventually I'll need to build roads in, build a barn, and build some kind of 4 season structure with real bathrooms, septic, a real solar battery setup or run grid power to it. That shit adds up very quickly.
+
+Good news, land and home prices are going to drop like a rock in the coming months so if you've been saving your sheckles you'll have an opportunity coming up.
+--- 2559992
+>>2559802
+How said they were only getting one acre?
+When land is a thousand bucks an acre you can get a few hundred acres
+--- 2561446
+>>2559992
+who not how
+--- 2562182
+>>2544616
+>must be decent water
+it's never the water that's a problem it's the water rights.
+--- 2562293
+>>2562182
+Well they have enough to run pivot farming so that means drilling a well for home use will be easy. This is not the case in much of the southwest.
+If you have a home well on your property but no irrigation rights , you cant run a pivot , but you can run greenhouses with drip.
+--- 2563333
+>>2562182
+Many of these places dont even have water to steal
+--- 2563334
+>>2544059
+>Colorado priced out
+>But not Oregon, Washington, Idaho or Montana
+Looooool
+--- 2563338
+>>2563334
+Everyone wants to go to colorado because its sunny 
+Those other states are gray and rainy
+--- 2563344
+>>2543832 (OP)
+when you buy land and want to keep it /out/ related its stupid to spread EVERYONE out like some boomer shit. you want everyone as dense as possible to save the nature part of the land.. and not have stupid wide tracks from dozers and heavy equipment moving about so people can live their homesteading fetish. 
+
+I've worked on communes and with them. the best system is to build an apartment complex style building. However no matter what it's the most expensive part...
+
+a 24 unit building [thats 24 different people] would cost [back in 2017 mind you gonna be way more now] 3.7Million USD.. thats 154,167 PER person. for an 800 sq.ft apartment. This doesn't include parking pavement. or what would be required by some states yearly fire inspections and shit like that. so now you need some sort of Tax.. or HOA fee... basically you cannot escape the everyday meme.
+
+Best thing would be to pool your money with a few friends, those you can trust, buy an old hotel/motel/apartment/duplex/warehouse/industrial building. turn it into small livable spaces. and then all you have to do is worry about what state park/BLM land you're closest too.
+--- 2563403
+>>2563344
+You sound like one of those libs thats convinced the world is overpopulated
+--- 2563404
+>>2563403
+Your reply sounds like you need to hop off your dad's dick. And go touch grass.
+--- 2563599
+>>2563404
+that makes no sense
+--- 2564311
+how about this one
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbApGaY4VAw&ab_channel=LANDIO [Embed]
+
+We could tunnel into the rocks and also have lots of greenhouses
+--- 2564471
+>>2546415
+why did that guys post get deleted?
+I dont understand the moderation on this board at all
+--- 2565042
+count me in and save me from my lifetime of AURORA COLORADO
+I have no money to offer, but I am a poet!!
+--- 2565043
+>>2563599
+it's projection, the gross kind
+--- 2565044
+>>2563344
+>Buy rural land to live in a fucking apartment
+>I've worked on communes
+I'd love to give your whole head a nice glossy red finish
+--- 2565073
+>>2565042
+>but I am a poet!!
+Anon you should get a CDL and get a job with Navajo 
+Lots of poets over there
+--- 2565511
+>>2565042
+ Can you write a poem about that women are whoowers?
+--- 2565528
+>>2564471
+Because he said "Fuck the Denver Water Board for sucking a tremendous amount of water from the upper Colorado River and transporting it through the Continental Divide via miles of tunnels to the Front Range." He also mentioned the soaring crime rate and the media, banks, and government officials behind Denver's reputation as corrupt shithole.
+--- 2566652
+>>2565528
+I dont think that was it
+--- 2566924
+>>2566652
+What do you think it was?
+--- 2567403
+>>2566924
+I dont know
+--- 2567541
+>>2565511
+There once was a man from Nantucket 
+He married a woman and she took all his money and left him because he once had a hard day
+--- 2567543
+Anybody got access to the full collection of Proeneke videos? It was posted here awhile back, hoping some anon kept it somehow.
+--- 2567719
+>>2544604
+This isn't bad at all. Good find.
+--- 2568375
+>>2567719
+lets pitch in and buy it

out/2544967.txt

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+-----
+--- 2544967
+Went on my first hike with a group on strangers I met on facebook. I hated it. Is this supposed to be more fun alone?
+--- 2544970
+>>2544967 (OP)
+>I hated it
+why did you hate it?
+--- 2544971
+It's because they were strangers. Hiking with close friends is fun but for me hiking alone is the best experience. Everyone is different.
+--- 2544977
+I used to hike alone fairly regularly. it was fun because i could go where io wanted to go, didn't have to worry about tother peoples schedules, or hiking pace, or anything.
+hiking alone, at a brisk pace, i would pretend I was Strider, the wild and dangerous ranger from the north, on a special mission for the Elven Lords.
+or i would pretend I was an agile wood elf, lightly travelling along making almost no noise, disturbing no woodland life and moving without strain or effort because of my wood natural elf abilities
+--- 2544978
+>>2544970
+Because they kept stopping for pictures and the girls would do cringy faces and poses every couple minutes. Also some people brought their dogs, and they wouldn't stop talking, it was horrible.
+--- 2544981
+>>2544978
+ok. yeah i wouldn't like that at all either. i would rather be hiking alone at that point.
+--- 2544982
+I went for a five hour hike alone last week and saw one other person the entire time I was walking. it was bliss.
+--- 2544989
+>>2544967 (OP)
+I ran a backpacking MeetUp group with over 120 members for a few years. Hiking with strangers is a completely different experience. If you’re not a “people person” then don’t do it. You have to really enjoy the company of others for it to be worth your while, as there are a lot of downsides.
+--- 2544995
+>>2544967 (OP)
+>sneakers and yoga pants
+>inna snow
+I would hate it too.
+--- 2545001
+IMAGINE needing the encouragement of a facebook group to go on a single(1) hike! Not reading this ngmi thread, just came here to laff at you.
+--- 2545002
+>>2545001
+that's literally not what the OP said, you dingelberry
+--- 2545003
+>>2544989
+This is why I don't plan on ever doing a guided mountaineering expedition. Having to be around strangers for an extended length of time sounds like hell to me when I am used to doing everything on my own terms. If this means that I'll never get to climb technical or higher altitude mountains, so be it.
+--- 2545020
+>>2544978
+
+If the talking gets to you (It gets to me as well) go by yourself. 
+Really, you're not going to change some people.
+--- 2545060
+>>2545003
+i will go with you and i promise i'll march to the summit in complete silence
+--- 2545070
+>>2544989
+Sounds like it would be good to practice socializing.
+--- 2545073
+This girl I like has been asking me to take her out on a hike and I really want to fuck her but don't know if her cooter will get too stinky after an hour of hiking. She's pretty easy to impress considering I took her out to a nearby river where I usually fish and she couldn't stop smiling and taking pictures like she's never seen a river before. I assume if I show her some elevation her pussy will get really wet and she'll be horny for some dick.
+--- 2545083
+>>2545003
+You don't need guides to climb difficult things. You just start with easier things and slowly work your way up as opposed to just paying someone to drag you up something hard with little experience.
+--- 2545103
+>>2545073
+No, you absolutely only can touch cooters less than 4 minutes 32 seconds after they've been washed, after that cooters become too stinky. If hiking, it will be more like 3 minutes 28 seconds. If she hasn't washed the cooter within that time period it will be too stinky. Even more so she's very easily impressable, which means the cooter will get wet and become stinky even sooner. So you'd have around 2 minutes 14 seconds to fuck the cooter before it's too stinky for you to fuck.
+--- 2545114
+>>2545070
+It absolutely could be, sure. The hikes we organized were loosely categorized by difficulty. On the easier hikes you’d have people of all age groups (though generally over 35) and walks of life. The longer or more difficult stuff was basically the same core group of maybe a dozen people, all somewhat younger. 
+
+On a group hike people end up hiking in smaller groups or pairs, or alone, and just meeting up when everyone stops for a break. You can try to stay together, but it doesn’t really work out. I mean you’re not like miles apart, but you’re certainly not one mass of people either. You’ll definitely be socializing at camp, even if you’re not set up near each other (logistics don’t always work out for everyone to be right next to each other). 
+
+But yeah, if you’re a socially awkward weirdo (you’re on 4Chan, so probably) I say go for it. If nothing else you can troll the group with your weirdness.
+--- 2545166
+>>2544967 (OP)
+Is the last girl wearing adidas sneakers and yoga pants? What the fuck?
+--- 2545167
+>>2545003
+>i need partners to do technical climbing
+nah mate just belay yourself, just fifi onto each pice as you go up so you can use both hands to pay out more rope and redo your backup knot.
+picrel me 35m up solo
+--- 2545312
+>>2545002
+Then why did he go in a group? Why did OP need to be in a group?
+--- 2545361
+>>2545167
+>pic
+doesnt that require permanent anchors?
+--- 2545363
+>>2545166
+It's so that you can stare at her ass the whole way.
+--- 2545396
+>>2545166
+To a this board getting worse? 
+
+>yoga pants
+Shorts and leggings are a great combination, especially when protection from abrasion isn’t needed (like on an established hiking trail). They keep you warm and dry very quickly. It’s basic athletic wear.
+>adidas?! No! Only brands that I recognize can be used outdoors!
+Pic
+--- 2545462
+>>2545361
+no
+--- 2545529
+>>2545396
+You wouldn't know.
+--- 2545566
+>>2545529
+Wouldn’t know what? That Adidas makes hiking shoes or that leggings are commonly used athletic wear? Because whoever commented on those things obviously didn’t know.
+--- 2545602
+Feels good to have a capable bro along when you show up to the LZ in the dark and head into a deserted wilderness. 
+We didn't see a single person on this run.
+--- 2545642
+>>2545602
+>bro 
+>LZ
+>this run
+LARPer detected.
+--- 2545646
+>>2544977
+
+is there more to this story?
+--- 2545650
+>>2545642
+>not training with your personal fireteam
+NGMI!
+--- 2545653
+>>2544978
+Honestly, people who don’t like people shouldn’t go outside, you should knit or play WOW. People are cool, they make things better, sounds like you missed out on making friends. You should do it again but pull the stick out of your ass first, if you need it back in there you can find a new one on your hike.mvxht2
+--- 2545711
+>>2545653
+>people who don't like people shouldn't go into the woods where very few people are
+okay
+--- 2545727
+im in a hiking facebook group with a bunch of old ladies and its insanely based. just recently we snowshoed to an old fire lookout on a 4k elevation gain trail. was a blast.
+--- 2545747
+>>2545727
+did you blast inside the old ladies?
+--- 2545756
+>>2545747
+not yet, in due time
+--- 2546132
+>>2545602
+You mean RV? As in rendezvous? Unless you really did chopper in... in which case, tell us more?
+--- 2546267
+>>2544967 (OP)
+yes, it is infinitely more fun alone
+--- 2546279
+>>2546267
+It's more fun with someone you enjoy being around and talking to. Alone is okay as well, but it can get lonely. I can't imagine why anyone would want to hike with a group of strangers though. Seems like it could go wrong in so many different ways.
+--- 2547471
+>>2545073
+You normally don't have to worry about smell unless you're doing it doggy style, then everything starts stinking if they haven't washed. My buddy used to use a finger swipe test and sniff his finger to see if it was worth going after. If it were me just tell her to hold on to a tree and hit it from behind, eating pussy onatrail is a pretty cuck move, fine if you're in the bed but not when you're manning up and leading the way.
+--- 2547472
+>>2547471
+>>2545073
+You know I just remembered I got 2 blowjob's while hiking, one from an ex and one from my wife. Didn't cum cause they got scared after 2 minutes but lead to some good times afterwards
+--- 2547533
+>>2544967 (OP)
+>I hated it. Is this supposed to be more fun alone?
+Do it with close friends or a dog and a gun
+--- 2548248
+>>2544967 (OP)
+People literally go on these meetup and Facebook hikes to take pictures and socialize autismo. How do you think girls get their instagram and tinder pictures?
+--- 2548249
+>>2545073
+Send her my way and I'll fuck her stinky cooter without any care in the world.
+--- 2548757
+why are you so obsessed by sex?
+that's why I hike alone, for you hiking is just a medium to obtain sex
+--- 2548771
+>>2544977
+Essentially this. It really is true freedom when you can set your own pace, pick your own paths, and relax as much as youd like.xdsasr
+--- 2548791
+>>2545396
+>pic
+Are these any good?
+--- 2548805
+>>2544967 (OP)
+Okay, so you have like no fucking game so let me lay it out for you. 
+>you want to hike, but you have no one to hike with
+>do what you did, join randoms via FB
+>its horrible, because randoms. 
+Okay, but now
+>make a friend(s) with people like you who dont like the talking (weird) or the photos (justified) 
+>you now hike with them
+--- 2548813
+>>2544995
+Oh my gawd these tiktok oants make my butt looks sooooooo big. I hope a rich, unattached 6’8 chap is on our walk uwu
+
+Literally the antithesis of why I /out/
+--- 2548816
+>>2545566
+Tbh you wouldn't know any of what you're trying to post about.
+--- 2548823
+>>2544977
+gigabased
+--- 2548846
+>>2545653
+10/10 retard bait post. Even type the captcha into the post.
+--- 2548848
+>>2544977
+Schizo
+--- 2548850
+>>2545653
+>people who don't like people should play a massive multiplayer online game
+--- 2548884
+>>2548848
+>he doesn't have any natural woodland Elf abilities
+cope and seethe, goblin mutt
+--- 2548911
+>>2544967 (OP)
+>Intimidated by the white chad wearing shorts
+--- 2548917
+>>2548791
+Don’t know. I’m just pointing out that the other guy is a fucking retard because those aren’t sneakers and “yoga pants” are great in cold weather.
+--- 2548942
+>>2545166
+Yes. And that's adequate equipment for a day hike is good weather.
+--- 2548967
+>>2544967 (OP)
+I don't care that much to hike alone. I'd rather hike with my wife so we can chat and point stuff out to each other and discuss them
+--- 2549420
+What's the biggest group you've done camping/backpacking in? I like camping alone but when there are several people and lots of booze it's a blast. Would it be fun to go camping in a group of 20 friends way into the woods or is that too much?
+--- 2549469
+>>2549420
+>when you and the homies find some remote area outside of the Rubicon to four wheel to, and brings tons of beer, meat, and coffee and spend the next few days perpetually inebriated and exploring the land
+--- 2549474
+>>2548967
+The point of us incels going hiking with Facebook groups is to possibly make a wife
+--- 2549476
+>>2549420
+In first year University, actually the second week there, we had a camping trip for Terrestrial Ecology (plus some other people), it was like 30-40 people that barely knew each other at some Cabin in the mountains owned by the University. Profs stayed inside while everyone tented in the woods.
+
+It was a good time, lots of drinking and hiking.
+--- 2549501
+>>2549476
+and fucking
+--- 2549642
+>>2549474
+Now I feel bad for the women involved
+--- 2549689
+>>2544989
+If they’re a “person person” they should fuck off back to the pub instead of polluting peaceful nature. I hate tourists, noisy ones even more so. 
+I go alone I see deer and hawks all day. If there’s people that’s the only thing there. They’re a plague.
+--- 2549694
+>>2549689
+Agreed
+--- 2550329
+>>2544989
+I'll look at Meetup hike listings occasionally, there's a high number of them within an hours drive. Most of the people are pretty old around here, in their 50s. Won't see many women under 30... One time I signed up early for a hike as a lark, and a Korean in her 20s signed up after me. She was too much of a vax'd normie for my taste, but it was flattering to know that you convinced someone to come for a hike. She let me give her a ride back to the train station and a hug...
+Let 'em come to you, that's the right way.
+--- 2550348
+>>2545073
+I fucked my ex after a hike (she got extra sweaty) her cooch was full of cottage cheese and I ate it all. :(
+--- 2551551
+So I went on my second hike to today and it was no different.
+
+>the women doing cringy shit throughout the hike
+>constantly stopping to rest and take stupid pictures
+>old creepy men simping hard
+>literal cringefest the whole hike
+
+Safe to say I'm never doing this again. I'm on my own from this point forward.
+--- 2551552
+>>2551551
+Did you nut in any of them?
+--- 2551555
+>>2551551
+why would any self respecting man subject themselves to this?
+--- 2551560
+>>2551551
+Yikes.
+
+I would just walk away if I had people in my group doing this.
+--- 2551561
+>>2551551
+Is that a fucking tripod on the left? Are these people doing a photoshoot in the middle of a hike? Jesus.
+--- 2551568
+>>2551560
+this x 6 million
+holy shit
+--- 2551659
+>>2548813
+>get 100 ft into walk with boner
+>bend the bitch over
+>the pants come off
+>most disappointing ass is underneath
+--- 2552135
+>>2545003
+>>2545167
+What about alpine ascents? I read everywhere I shouldn't cross a glacier without at least 2 other people roped up lest I fall in her deep deep crevasse.
+--- 2552138
+In Spain they charge money on meetup plans. The one organizing it say you have to pay like 10€ for the "cost" of organizing it and acting as a guide. Also the younger person that goes to those plans is probably 40.
+--- 2552139
+>>2550348
+1. you dont have an ex-wife
+2. you're almost definitely a virgin
+3. if my some miracle im wrong and you were married, you're clearly a mongoloid because pussies dont get full of cottage cheese after a bit of hiking, they get ful of cheese because their owners are disgusting cunts who obviously dont wash.
+--- 2552152
+>>2545653
+I am replying to bait
+--- 2552153
+>>2544967 (OP)
+if you go for a huke with facebook strangers it's ... to socialized.
+if not, go alone; you'll go further.
+--- 2552157
+>>2551551
+>anon thought this is was a hiking meeting
+yeah
+--- 2552213
+>>2552153
+What in the ESL
+--- 2552332
+>>2551551
+Lol, muh vertical tiktok video. I don't know how you resisted the urge to beat all 4 of them with the tripod. Please share the link where everyone posts their pictures and videos
+--- 2552335
+>>2545083
+not that anon but i'm finding this hard as i try to get into winter hiking. i could only go 3 times out this winter so far (it's been shit few months) but the learning curve is very steep and costly, all 3 expeditions were mostly failures. now i have crampons, i will go out again but i think the deep snow will fuck me again and i won't even reach the start of the steep part. breaking snow is so hard but i don't want to spend 100 more dollars in gear like skis or shoe rackets
+--- 2552364
+>>2544977
+unfathomably based... I kneel
+--- 2552780
+>>2551551
+Find normal people to hike with. They are out there. Avoid city women.
+--- 2552787
+>>2544978
+>they wouldn't stop talking
+If you don't want to chat, why choose a group?
+--- 2552826
+>>2545727
+Old hiking hippy ladies are pure kino and very unappreciated
+--- 2552840
+>>2552826
+Are they good for a midnight romp in the tent?
+--- 2552889
+>>2552138
+Me suena basado, francamente
+--- 2552890
+>>2552840
+How could they not be? Fit and no chance of getting pregnant. It's the best of all worlds anon
+--- 2553126
+>>2545073
+Imagine if she found you wrote this how emotionally broken she would be in case she was genuinely happy to be with u and at the river. Damn nigger
+--- 2553142
+>>2551561
+I bring a tripod backpacking so that I can take Milky Way photos. If you're into landscapes or wildlife it's fine, but I have no reason to defend these iphone instathots.
+>>2551551
+I am sorry you had to endure this. If you can tolerate the group, try to find any non-shitty people in the group and break off into a separate group with them. Women may be intimidated by this, but you might meet like-minded men to be friends with.
+--- 2553153
+>>2549501
+the smell
+--- 2555037
+>>2550348
+Cuck
+--- 2556911
+>>2553153
+Smells like heaven Tbh
+--- 2557359
+Why deal with facebergsteins when you could just bring a frend or two.
+--- 2557382
+>>2557359
+I dont have friends anon...
+--- 2557406
+>>2557359
+This ain't a normie board.
+--- 2557488
+>>2545711
+You know where there's even less people? In your room. 
+Stay inside you autistic faggot.
+--- 2557496
+>>2557406
+It really is. Neets are too afraid to leave their comfort zones. There's loads of normies on this board, since they don't let their anxiety and depression stop them from going outside, unlike neets.
+--- 2557534
+>>2557382
+Don't let being spergy stop you from making friends broham. Some of my favorite people are a bit kooky. Better weird than having an npc worldview.
+--- 2557542
+>>2557406
+Ima pretend you dint just call me normal, fagget
+--- 2557585
+>>2557496
+Lots of neets go outside and have more time for outdoor activities than wageslaves you hopeless retard
+
+>>2557488
+>in a room that's still surrounded by people vs. the outdoors where you can be miles away from the nearest human
+Sub-nigger IQ comment. Kys for the betterment of humanity.
+--- 2557653
+>>2545646
+Yes. Autism.
+--- 2557657
+>>2557359
+Why is there an ammo box to the right?
+Who the fuck brings an ammo box hiking?
+--- 2557658
+>>2557657
+Going by the context of the photo, there probably a summit register stored in that box
+--- 2557668
+>>2557658
+Kek. You guys don't climb with a full box of 7.62x51 real fkn nato? Ngmi
+--- 2557977
+>>2557585
+Too bad they don't have any money for it
+--- 2559425
+>>2544967 (OP)
+Did you bang?
+--- 2560092
+Anons, do you think it's worth paying money for a guided hike to a 100+ foot waterfall on private land? Or should I be like the college kids in the area who just trespass there to party and litter (without the partying and littering part)? It's $20 for a group hike and $100 for a private guided tour. I'm more than capable of reaching the waterfall on my own. I just don't want to get caught and cited for trespassing.
+--- 2560094
+>>2560092
+Nobody gets to own a 100' waterfall. Do it, trespass. Fuck boomers.
+--- 2561435
+>>2557542
+He's right tho
+--- 2561730
+>>2545073
+Advice for life
+
+If she's a true 6/10 or above she won't stink. If literally anything makes her a 5/10 or under she can stink. Every beautiful women I've been with has smelled amazing and isn't a ding ding and will take care of themselves.
+
+Unless you're a dingle yourself you know when they naturally can't help it. If a chick or even you yourself comes back from the gym yeah you're not gonna smell the best. But I have a feeling you're talking about girls that straight up don't wash their bodies, that's a 5/10 at best and you can tell by their personalities or looks. It's honestly simple as that. 
+
+For reference 6/10 is the majority of cute girls. They're wifey material potentially. 5/10's are girls who don't fix their teeth, weight, acne etc. Nothing necessary wrong with it but you're average at best at that point ya dig?
+--- 2561735
+>>2557657
+It's a box of condoms
+--- 2561738
+>>2557359
+>who doesn't?
+--- 2561845
+>>2544977
+--- 2561846
+>>2544978
+>>their dogs, and they wouldn't stop talking, it was horrible.
+You went on a hike with talking dogs?
+--- 2561877
+>>2544982
+>saw one other person
+Hike ruined.
+--- 2561886
+>>2561877
+This. I've done 27 miles without seeing a soul outside of our group (of frens, not strangers from the internet).
+--- 2561900
+>>2544977
+>I used to hike alone
+I wonder how many people thought that while I was spying on them? pic related. Next time you think you're alone take out your camera and turn up the settings and take 360 degree pics. Then look carefully at home.
+--- 2561913
+The best way to ruin and outdoors experience is to bring other people
+--- 2561929
+>>2551551
+>constantly stopping to rest and take stupid pictures
+it's a stereotype for a reason. When I go skiing with my sisters, they probably take upwards of 10 pictures/snapchats through the trip, either of themselves or the scenery
+--- 2561930
+>>2561877
+Fucking this
+When I go up my favorite trail, I always keep an ear out for chatter so I can go off the trail or hide before I see anyone, just so I can avoid any kind of interaction
+--- 2561942
+>>2561900
+no one sneaks up on a Ranger from the North
+--- 2562666
+>>2561900
+I have a bike in dire need of a top end rebuild. I'm not sneaking up on anyone.
+--- 2562667
+>>2561929
+Nothing wrong with taking pictures when you go /out/. It would just be annoying if everyone in the group does it and you have to stop every 5 seconds.
+--- 2562668
+>>2551551
+Did you fuck the one in the middle?
+--- 2562687
+>>2544971
+How do you hike alone? I live in eastern europe and i wish i would hike more often but i feel like alone is too dangerous. One bad encounter with a bear or a wolf and thats it.
+--- 2563390
+>>2561730
+Look Benny I don't care about your cooter stink theory, just hand over the platinum chip
+--- 2563660
+>>2544978
+> and the girls would do cringy faces and poses every couple minutes 
+
+Let me guess, girls ware with boyfriends and maybe even fucked at night and you are single
+
+Id felt bad too
+--- 2563679
+>>2544967 (OP)
+Yes. Going with people ruins immersion. Also “hiking groups” are full of social media normies that care more about updating their snapchat/facebook/twitter profiles for updoots rather than actually enjoying the hiking experience. That being said, make sure you go prepared and you’ll really enjoy it.
+--- 2563681
+>>2563679
+>the anime poster is some random bitter incel 
+You can't make this stuff up.
+--- 2563686
+>>2544967 (OP)
+shorts and a down jacket oh lawd
+--- 2563687
+>>2563681
+Anime website, lost r*ddit tourist. Also 2D women>trashy 3D women.
+--- 2563689
+>>2545103
+this guy fucks
+
+>>2553126
+also this, there is no hope for your future together
+--- 2563691
+>>2545361
+>2545711
+No but it does require you to do every bit of ascent about twice
+--- 2563732
+>>2552135
+Feelin' lucky?
+--- 2563737
+I took a female friend hiking with me once. Big mistake. Ended up having to cut the trip short and I missed out on a few spots I wanted to hit because we spent like 3 hours making out and fucking.
+--- 2563787
+>>2551551
+
+The correct action to take here when you see that rock is to look at it and think to yourself "I could shelter under that if it rains" and then carry on, never to think of the rock again.
+--- 2563809
+>>2561730
+She's going to stink after hiking. Just don't go at it from behind after you're done hiking and you'll be fine. If you behind her over and spread her, you'll get the full smell of the holding tank on a crab boat. Pretty easy to avoid.
+--- 2563810
+>>2544977
+cringe, but also based and now I'm gonna do this
+--- 2563814
+>>2551551
+love from Kazakhstan
+--- 2563815
+>>2557359
+been trying to invite my "friends" and they just ignore my messages or don't answer calls
+lol
+;_;
+--- 2563818
+>>2563815
+adding to ths
+I have the week off work and all I've done is watch youtube videos of people going /out/
+why couldn't I have been born a normalfag
+--- 2563824
+>>2563818
+just go out alone, stop dreaming, start doing
+--- 2563831
+>>2563824
+i tried just now there are so many people everywhere already and my anxiety goes up im just gonna kill myself
+--- 2563839
+>>2563831
+>wahhh other people might briefly look at me
+>wahhh can't find isolated places in the forest
+you sound like a faggot
+--- 2563867
+>>2562687
+The chance of a wolf or a bear fucking with you is basically zero. Carry bear spray if you're that worried about it.
+--- 2563900
+>>2557359
+Crazy, that female has attracted two orbiting bodies
+--- 2563902
+>>2563831
+How many of those people did you judge or remember as much as you believe they're going to judge or remember you?
+--- 2563910
+>>2544978
+>I hate people and dogs
+>goes with a group.
+Anon...
+--- 2563927
+>>2561900
+Sometimes I wonder how many times ive had a gun trained on me out in the woods. Im decently aware of my surroundings, but past certain distances how am I even supposed to know.
+--- 2564979
+>>2544977
+Posters like you are what makes this board so fucking good
+--- 2565017
+>>2563831
+hike at night bro.
+--- 2565521
+>>2563910
+You can hate idiots without being a misanthrope. The worst is when some idiot constantly complains about his feet hurting because he just bought new shoes.
+--- 2565745
+>>2544978
+Hey at least you tried, partying up with randos to any activity is always a hit or miss. Just do some solo hikes, maybe ask that facebook group about other good trails to check out. Maybe someone from that group will be more like you and also prefer to hike without the stopping, talking and dogs.
+--- 2566538
+I want to start doing overnight hiking - what do I need for this? obviously water, snacks, and a tent... but where the hell can I pitch my tent? just anywhere?
+--- 2566539
+>>2566538
+in the woods, preferably in a national park or national forest, or state forest or even a county park. preferably inna woods and preferably near a fresh water source like a river or strong running creek, or stream, tributary, rivulet or the like

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@@ -0,0 +1,1175 @@
+-----
+--- 2545333
+We seem to have some debate over med kits so let us discuss them. I carry;
+
+>Israeli trauma bandage 
+>Snake bite bandage 
+>Imodium 
+>Promethazine
+>5x band aid
+>5x alcohol wipes 
+
+I don't see a reason to carry more. What do you carry?
+--- 2545337
+>>2545333 (OP)
+I'd add some Bactine for sterilizing wounds and killing the pain, and some iodine for cleaning them out. And gauze. More fucking gauze than you know what to do with. And at least one dose of QuickClot for leakers. Other than that I think you're good.
+--- 2545340
+Checked and kek'd, I'm enjoying the first aid gatekeeping in the UL thread. I've got a little boo-boo kit for day hikes and overnighters:
+>3x band-aids
+>liquid bandage (also flammable)
+>antibiotic ointment (mostly just fills space and keeps things from rattling)
+>5x alcohol pads
+I have a more serious kit if I plan to be way out for multiple days. It does not have chest seals.
+--- 2545343
+>>2545337
+When you say "dose" of QC, do you mean one of their sponges, or a powder form? All I see from the actual company these days is dressings.
+--- 2545345
+>>2545333 (OP)
+You need a tourniquet, burn spray, some type of sting treatment, and butterfly stitches as well. Maybe those disposable scalpels too. Picrel for simple tourniquet.
+
+>>2545340
+No idea what UL is but you should have a chest seal with you.
+--- 2545351
+>>2545333 (OP)
+No blister treatment? Get some leukotape and a safety pin. It’s probably the single most common hiking injury. 
+
+Add some gauze and you can make your own bandaids. The adhesive on the leukotape is way, way better than bandaids, and it can be cut to different shapes and sizes (quite easily if you have scissors).
+--- 2545353
+>>2545345
+bait/10
+--- 2545357
+>>2545353
+>getting common items for first aid is bait
+I'd rather have them sit in my pack and collect dust than not have them and suddenly need them in a dire situation.
+--- 2545358
+>>2545333 (OP)
+>500x alcohol wipes
+I use so many of these fuckers while /out/
+--- 2545359
+>>2545358
+Tbh yeah I'd just buy a whole box of them. They're great for all kinds of stuff.
+--- 2545365
+>>2545357
+>doubles down
+--- 2545369
+>>2545345
+An israeli bandage is a tourniquet
+--- 2545381
+>>2545369
+I think a lot of people overlook how simple a TQ can be. If you're seriously leaking, you don't have time to fret over a sterile TQ with a carbon fiber windlass and hypo-allergenic velcro. You can use all sorts of shit.
+--- 2545383
+>>2545369
+I read that a tourniquet goes above the wound while the Jew bandage goes over it. Either way, no one in this thread has ever had to use one while out. Inb4 “yes I did.” No you didn’t. Take your bullshit LARP back to /k/.
+--- 2545391
+>>2545381
+Even rope can be used as one.
+
+>>2545383
+The jew bandage has enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. The reality is that if you're applying a tourniquet then you think you're going to die. There's no need to apply both. You can completely cut off the circulation to the limb using the jew bandage as a tourniquet so there is no need to use it as a bandage.
+--- 2545393
+>>2545383
+>Take your bullshit LARP back to /k/.
+I didn't read your entire post and only just saw this. What the fuck are you talking about. Stop schizo ranting in every damn thread you weirdo.
+--- 2545394
+>>2545333 (OP)
+Post more packing lists, bros
+--- 2545400
+>>2545393
+>I can’t be bothered to read four short sentences
+Maybe you should so you don’t have to ask
+>what are you talking about
+--- 2545401
+>>2545400
+Man half your post was you dropping a pre-emptive argument it's no wonder I mentally filtered it kek. It's weird to see. I have never had to nor claimed that I have had to use a tourniquet however if I do both my snake bite bandage and my israeli bandage can be used as a tourniquet. I'm much more likely to slip over and slash an odd part of my body on a rock, this is where the israeli bandage comes into play but the snake bite bandage can also be used. There's no need to start dropping pre-emptive arguments based on nothing but your own imagination. I'm hoping I never have to apply a tourniquet. There's also no need to carry a dedicated one as both my bandages can do the job.
+--- 2545402
+>>2545401
+So you’ve never had to use one. Great.
+>has never seen “inb4”
+Also great lol
+--- 2545403
+>>2545402
+Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing.
+--- 2545405
+>>2545365
+Yeah nah. Your trolling attempt is lazy. 
+
+>>2545369
+My bad, I thought an Israeli bandage was for stuffing wounds.
+
+>>2545381
+But a normal tourniquet is also $25 on Amazon. It's easy enough to get one, throw it in the outer pocket of your pack, and forget about it. I wouldn't want to be attempting to tear my shirt or use rope or something if I'm bleeding that badly.
+--- 2545406
+>>2545405
+>My bad, I thought an Israeli bandage was for stuffing wounds.
+It is but it has enough compression to be used as a tourniquet.
+--- 2545407
+>>2545403
+Don’t forget your chest seal and your BVM, because you never know, right? (People with experience do know).
+--- 2545409
+>>2545345
+This is bait, right?
+It’s pretty good because I can’t tell for sure
+--- 2545410
+>>2545405
+>MUH DIRE SITUATION!
+You have to leave the house first.
+--- 2545413
+>>2545407
+Why are you like this?
+--- 2545416
+>>2545413
+Pretty sure it's one guy going to every thread and sperging about his "experience"
+--- 2545417
+>>2545413
+>I’d rather have it and not need it than need it an not have it
+This is the motto of a true LARPer. It’s kind of like a condom; you’ll literally never need it.
+--- 2545419
+>>2545416
+Seems like it.
+
+>>2545417
+I have never said such things. In Australia it's pretty normal to carry a snake bite and a trauma bandage.
+--- 2545434
+>>2545419
+Is it normal to have to use them?
+--- 2545436
+>>2545434
+I don't know.
+--- 2545508
+>>2545409
+It's definitely bait. Nobody is seriously going to advise something like burn spray, but then also say you need chest seals.
+--- 2545517
+>>2545369
+It assuredly is not Anon. Israeli Dressing is a pressure dressing, it goes on the wound. Tourniquet is a tourniquet, it goes high and tight to restrict blood flow to the wound. It takes like 30s of internet searching to figure this shit out.
+--- 2545519
+My chainsaw accident kit:
+>CAT Gen7
+>compressed Gauze
+>Quick Clot
+>Traumafix Dressing
+>space blanket
+>shears
+>gloves
+>tweezers
+I also carry Booboo kit with
+>alcohol wipes
+>bandaids
+>painkillers
+>diarrhoea meds
+--- 2545527
+>>2545517
+An israeli bandage provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. If you tear one sleeve off your shirt, that torn sleeve provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. If you carry any type of rope, that rope provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. If you carry a snake bite bandage, that snake bite bandage provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet. In most cases your shoelace provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet.
+
+Why the fuck are you weirdos so obsessed with dedicated tourniquets. All it has to do is cut off circulation.
+--- 2545530
+>>2545519
+Careful, he's going to call this bait.
+--- 2545534
+>>2545530
+Yeah, i forgot that this is /out/ where nothing bad ever happens and your super minimalist UL kit will never be a detriment to you. Helping others is also super overrated, so i will only carry medical gear and tools, that apply to my increadibly narrow use case.
+--- 2545535
+>>2545527
+Because if I need a tourniquet I want to use a tourniquet. Not the sleeve of my shirt or waste my Israeli bandage by tying it ABOVE the wound and then having to find a windlass. If you're able to stop the bleed from a wound by applying direct pressure to it, then you didn't need to use a tourniquet in the first place. If you can provide some valid documentation proving otherwise I'll happily concede the point.
+--- 2545546
+>>2545333 (OP)
+Dry bag 1,25L
+Different bandaids
+Gauze roll
+Wound pad
+Medical tape
+Basic drugs (painkillers, allergies, stomach)
+Mylar blanket
+Safety pin
+Water purification tablets
+SAK Rambler
+Zip ties
+Duct tape
+Micro paracord
+
+Basic, does the job, weighs nothing and is compact
+--- 2545547
+>>2545535
+>you're so injured you're willing to use a tourniquet 
+>I don't want to waste my $10 israeli bandage 
+>dies 
+Kek
+--- 2545548
+>>2545546
+Oh and alcohol wipes, tick remover.
+--- 2545549
+>>2545534
+Post scars
+--- 2545551
+>>2545535
+Here's your documentation. Also while we are at it. Post a photo of the tourniquet that you carry when hiking.
+--- 2545554
+>>2545546
+Based microcordchad
+--- 2545558
+>>2545551
+>n-n-noooo! It doesn't count just because it was successful, everyone has to do it or it's a larp REEEEE
+--- 2545559
+>>2545558
+Bro just take a pic of the gear you're advocating for it isn't difficult.
+--- 2545561
+>>2545559
+Anon, I was making fun of the TQ shill not you.
+--- 2545562
+>>2545561
+Ah
+--- 2545563
+>>2545549
+you are lucky, that i am drunk right now, otherwise i wouldnt drop so low as to reply to a parasite like you.
+I am genuinly disturbed by you people, you might not realize it, but you will end up killing someone with your rhetoric.
+I fixed this with a leather belt, i wouldnt have been able to do that on myself, loosing blood, without a proper tq, this picture 2as taken on the last day i left home without a cat.
+--- 2545567
+>>2545563
+I'm not sure, if you're advocating, for fancy expensive TQs, or whatever you have to hand, though it certainly seems, as though, you survived, with, only, a, be,lt.
+--- 2545569
+>>2545530
+Is “he” in the room with you right now?
+--- 2545572
+>>2545569
+A he just flew over my house
+--- 2545578
+>>2545567
+I think he is saying that this happened to someone else and he was able to use a belt, but if he had a similar injury while alone he would not have been able to use a belt to stop the bleeding which is why he carries his chainsaw accident kit.
+--- 2545580
+>>2545578
+this
+>>2545567
+i am advocating for you to get whatever training and gear you can to save your friends or yours life.
+
+It is amazing how fast the human body looses strengh, once you poke a hole in it. You wont be able to rip your sleeve and improvise a TQ, if a major artery has been nicked. Be trained, be prepared, be ready.
+--- 2545716
+>>2545527
+>Why the fuck are you weirdos so obsessed with dedicated tourniquets. All it has to do is cut off circulation.
+Because dedicated tqs work better
+
+>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/2738052
+In a study of 102 laymen who had just completed an ACS Bleeding Control Basic training only 32.4% of participants were able to correctly apply an improvised tourniquet (defined as one that provided sufficient pressure to halt bleeding) even in a non-stressful situation when provided with appropriate materials (i.e. they didn't have to think about taking their belt off or searching for a windlass). In comparison 92.2% of participants correctly applied a CAT tourniquet.
+Interestingly people were better off with an improvised tq than using SWAT-T or RATS.
+
+>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26125163/
+Without a windlass, improvised tourniquets failed to stop bleeding in 99% of tests (79 of 80 tests). With a windlass, improvised tourniquets failed to stop bleeding in 32% of tests (p < .0001).
+
+>https://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644(20)31170-7/fulltext
+In a study80 hospital employees (including a mix of healthcare professionals and non-healthcare hospital employees) 32% of subjects were able to stop simulated hemorrhage on the initial improvised tourniquet trial, this number rose to 68% following simulator-based training instructing them on the use of commercial and improvised training. In comparison 94% of subjects using CAT tourniquet were able to successfully stop simulated hemorrhage. 
+Read that again, even after dedicated training and practice only 68% of individuals could control bleeding using an improvised tourniquet. This was in ideal situations after being provided with a wide variety of appropriate tourniquet materials, and applying it to a manikin rather than one-handed on their own body.
+--- 2545719
+>>2545716
+So lessons from this
+>Carry a commercial tourniquet if you can
+>If you're caught without one then make sure your improvised tourniquet is a windlass designed, don't just slap a belt around the limb and try to pull it tight like a retard. 
+>Be aware of failure points. If you read the articles I linked some of failures of improvised tourniquets were the result of belts snapping at the belt buckle when people turned the windlass to tighten them or shit like that.
+>Ideally a tourniquet should have a cuff at least 1.5'' wide. Thinner tqs such as wire, tubing or bootlaces tend to be much more painful and carry a greater risk of neurological injury.
+--- 2545734
+>>2545719
+Carrying a TQ makes sense if your hunting or logging or something like that, but your just packing your fears if your thru hiking or wilderness backpacking
+--- 2545740
+>>2545333 (OP)
+Short dayhike
+>SWAT-T 
+SWAT-T is a shitty tourniquet unless you know what you're doing and have had the opportunity to practice on a simulator but it is significantly lighter than anything else, and can also be used to improvise a pressure dressing or a splint
+>Tylenol
+>Ibuprofen
+>Oxycodone
+>Bandaids
+
+Overnight hike
+Above plus
+>Ondansetron
+>Imodium
+>Jew bandage
+>More bandaids
+>Leukotape
+>Gauze
+>Alcohol wipes
+
+Serious /out/
+Above plus
+>CAT tourniquet
+>Loratadine
+>Aspirin
+>Triple ointment
+>50cc syringe
+>Quikclot
+>Tissue adhesive
+>Butterfly sutures
+>More gauze
+>More tape
+>Triangular bandage
+>Various dressings
+>Compression bandage
+>Gloves
+
+Depending on the situation (whether I'm going hunting, how much I care about weight, etc) I may add
+>SAM splint
+>Trauma shears
+>Chest seals
+
+>>2545734
+Depends on the area and what you're doing. Not hard to get shot by someone who's mistaken you for a turkey or to slip and slice your arm open with a knife or hatchet. 
+They really don't take up much weight and it could save your life.
+--- 2545776
+>>2545740
+>Not hard to get shot by someone who's mistaken you for a turkey
+What a sad statement 
+>slip and slice your arm open with a knife or hatchet.
+I don’t take a hatchet when wilderness backpacking, that’s bushcraft LARP shit, and you shouldn’t be carelessly walking around with it like that in the first place.
+What kind of retard doesn’t either carry it with the sheath on, or at least with the blade facing away from them?
+Either way, I would put using an axe or hatchet in the same catagory as chainsaw or gun.
+If you’re doing something that could mangle or kill you accidentally when using it, then yah carrying a tourniquet makes sense.
+--- 2545905
+>>2545776
+>if you use a hatchet you're larping
+Opinion discarded
+--- 2545949
+>>2545333 (OP)
+
+Once you get the proper training, you'll want to carry a serious med kit. 
+
+
+CAT tourniquet
+Irrigation syringe
+Israeli bandage
+Trauma shears
+SAM Splint
+1 Coban wrap
+quick clot trauma pack (includes hemostatic gauze)
+2 sets of nitrile gloves
+2 triangular bandages
+2 hyfin chest seals
+mask
+
+Meds:
+2 diphenhydramine
+2 Ibuprofen
+2 acetomeniphen
+2 aspirin
+Roll of antacid
+4 imodium
+epi pen
+2 electolyte drink mixes
+2 honey packets
+
+Boo-boo kit:
+4 band-aids
+4 small band-aids
+1 small gauze pad
+roll of leukotape around a credit card
+small roll of duct tape
+--- 2545953
+>>2545345
+can i tourniquet with a 1.5mm dyneema guyline?
+--- 2545955
+>>2545949
+Based sam splint carrier
+--- 2545960
+>>2545953
+
+In theory, yes. In practice, it's highly unlikely you will be able to do it correctly and such a thin line will cause excruciating pain to your patient.
+--- 2545971
+>>2545527
+>An israeli bandage provides enough compression to be used as a tourniquet.
+--- 2545976
+>>2545333 (OP)
+>Israeli trauma bandage
+Why americans have to make everything "tactical"?
+I just carry a bunch of gauzes, and an elastic bandage.
+--- 2546008
+>>2545333 (OP)
+>>2545401
+>>2545519
+>>2545716
+>>2545719
+>>2545740
+>>2545949
+some of the best comedy i've read all week
+lmfao bwahahahahhahahahahahhahahaaaaa
+--- 2546014
+what do you guys carry your fak things in? i use a 1L ziplock bag but want to switch to something more durable but similar weight.
+--- 2546017
+>>2546008
+
+Could you post your picture of yourself or any identifying tattoos so that if I'm ever in a position to rescue you I'll know to just go ahead and let you bleed out.
+--- 2546018
+>>2546014
+
+https://www.cloudgearstore.com/product-page/new-square-zip-pouch
+--- 2546019
+>>2546014
+I used a military tear away IFAK I picked up at a surp store. Cheap, effective, keeps shit organized, 500d so abrasion resistant and generally water repellant.
+Weighs a tad more than Ziploc but not by much, and it's offset by the endless seething it generates in weirdly obsessive anti-tactical crowd.
+--- 2546029
+>>2545905
+Lol bushcrafting is larping tho, why you so upset?
+--- 2546032
+>>2546017
+PLEASE
+the last thing i want is one of you untrained retards trying to perform bush surgery on me. just let me die if i fall off the ropes. fuck's sake.
+--- 2546038
+>>2546032
+>untrained
+
+I have an active WFR certification, but whatever.
+--- 2546042
+>>2546018
+thanks, seems kinda pricey for small dcf bag though, they are usually 5-10usd, my original kit was like 50g for the bag alone i thought that was unnecessary for an item i wont give a shit if it gets a hole in it
+>>2546019
+>offset by the endless seething it generates in weirdly obsessive anti-tactical crowd.
+kek
+--- 2546044
+>>2546042
+
+There is an advantage to having a bright red bag with "FIRST AID KIT" written on it. If someone else needs it, they can find it. As opposed to a package that could be anything.
+--- 2546060
+>>2546019
+This. The IFAK shell works great for storing shit, doesn't have to be chest seals and NPAs. The fact that autists go into conniptions over it being "larp" gear is a bonus.
+--- 2546144
+>>2545333 (OP)
+gauze
+super glue
+compression bandage
+lukotape
+bottle of peroxide
+safety pins
+bleedstop
+samsplint
+gatorade mix
+needle and thread
+tent patches
+ibuprophen
+benadril
+anti diarrhea medicine
+>>2545345
+>tourniquet
+just wear a belt
+>burn spray
+>sting treatment
+how about not being a pussy
+>chest seal
+nigger you ain't chest sealing yourself and making it out. if your kit is for other as well yes.
+--- 2546150
+>>2546144
+Lame attempt at trolling.
+--- 2546159
+>>2546144
+Do you put the peroxide in any special bottle, or just the one off the shelf? Those seem a bit bulky to take in a kit.
+--- 2546169
+>>2545333 (OP)
+In addition to all that, I carry a surgical stapler with me in case of a real emergency.
+--- 2546173
+Pic rel is the kit I carry when hiking and pretty much day to day too
+--- 2546175
+>>2546173
+
+Well, looks like you've got some good pain killers at least.
+--- 2546176
+>>2546175
+The spoon is from my cook kit
+--- 2546178
+>>2546176
+
+I like how you cut down the handle, very UL of you.
+--- 2546181
+>>2545333 (OP)
+>I don't see a reason
+I read this, and variants of it, so often on /out/ that I too might start to think there are only four actual people who use this board. Bear in mind that just because you don't see a reason doesn't mean it isn't there. You don't see 99.9% of spiders, either, but they're there.
+--- 2546183
+>>2546173
+I hope you have some wild adventures, because that H is guaranteed going to kill you.
+--- 2546184
+>>2546181
+I think there's a decent few people here, but definitely just a handful who keep shitting up threads with contrarianism. There's the boomer who says that everything is nonsense, the "experience" guy, one who says that everything is a larp no matter what, maybe a couple of others. They're all pretty obnoxious.
+--- 2546187
+>>2546184
+>a handful who keep shitting up threads
+>the “experience” guy
+What?
+--- 2546192
+>>2546187
+There's (I assume) one guy who posts in multiple threads, shitting on other anons with references to his experience, or how his experience "lines up" with everyone else's, so anyone who disagrees with him "doesn't go /out/".
+--- 2546220
+Why the fuck would I need a tourniquet to walk around in the woods for a couple of days I’m not about to step on a fucking landmine
+--- 2546226
+>>2546192
+Idk about you, but I’m much more willing to listen to someone who can prove they have experience with what they are talking about than some anon with no proof.
+--- 2546250
+>>2546226
+Agreed; you'll never see these assholes proving their experience. They're just here to gatekeep.
+--- 2546255
+>>2545383
+Yea except I have. I'm an arborist and one of the climbers I was working with didnt use his lanyard and swung into his chainsaw blade, he zipped down and I tourniquet'ed his arm and wrapped some gauze/blood clot gauze around it and drove him to the hospital. We weren't even issued actual medical kits on the jobs just basic bitch boo boo kits. I had a personal trauma kit in my bag.
+--- 2546256
+>>2546032
+Important for all readers, first aid actions are almost universally limited to keeping the blood in and the body working long enough for someone with real training and real equipment support to do the real saving. Which is exactly why purpose built items like a good TQ (cat, softtw) are a thing, because several years of GWOT have shown that even crayon eaters can save lives with this one simple trick. Agree with most others here though, the complexity of the kit increases as risk (hatchets, trail difficulty and remoteness, hunting season) increase.
+
+ >>2546220
+Your actually more likely to use one on the ride to and from the trail, so a car kit is pretty good kit.
+--- 2546262
+>>2546014
+freezer bags with zip are tougher than regular zip bags, buy at same place
+--- 2546274
+>>2546255
+Is being an arborist in some suburb really /out/?
+--- 2546276
+>>2546274
+>guy shares experience relative to the conversation
+>"hurr durr it isn't /out/ because I don't like his job"
+Do you have a TQ experience to share?
+--- 2546299
+>>2546276
+Simply being outside of a building does not mean you are /out/, and the guy he was responding to said
+>Either way, no one in this thread has ever had to use one while out
+Personally, I don’t consider anything done in a suburb to be /out/
+--- 2546367
+>>2546299
+/out/ disagrees. The board considers literally anything done outside to be an outdoor activity. If you step into your backyard to smoke a pipe, these retards think that counts. It’s an obvious diversion from the norm, where “the outdoors” is understood to be outdoor recreation, ie things that can’t generally be done in a city or suburbs.
+--- 2546369
+>>2546192
+>I have a lot of experience
+>everyone else is wrong
+Do you see how retarded that is?
+--- 2546392
+>>2546367
+
+Well yeah, except for Golf.
+--- 2546408
+>>2546369
+Anon, that's the point.
+--- 2546471
+>>2545333 (OP)
+My work first aid kit (arborist) 
+>israeli bandage x3 (need at least 3 for an impaling wound)
+>CAT
+>celox
+>superglue pipette (bin and replace after using it, it won't last until you need it next)
+>tweezers
+>sterile scalpel blades (which I've always kept in there + the super glue since the blackthorn buried in my palm which the NHS said they couldn't remove so I'd just have to leave an inch of poisonous needle in my hand until my body broke it down)
+>alcohol wipes xyou never have enough
+>hand sanitiser
+>FFD x2 (basically a highly absorbent gauze bandage impregnated with a coagulant, will soak up a pint of blood)
+And my "comfort kit" because I'm not allowed to keep any pharmaceuticals in my first aid kit in this godforsaken country (and yes the government and insurers will go looking if there's an incident)
+>antihistamines
+>oral painkillers
+>topical antibiotic
+>burn gel sachets
+--- 2546472
+>>2545519
+>diarrhoea meds
+This, I also carry loperamide pills
+Out here you never know what tap is mains or groundwater, or what's in it
+My whole team once got the shits from a water tank that had a dead pigeon marinating in it
+--- 2546473
+>>2546014
+Cheapo velcro backed IFAK for actual first aid, retard orange dry bag for pharmaceuticals
+--- 2546497
+>>2546367
+Well the people who think that are wrong and have never read the sticky
+--- 2546526
+>>2546471
+>not allowed to keep any pharmaceuticals in my first aid kit
+What the fuck? What's their justification for that?
+--- 2546533
+>>2546526
+Cos you might accidentally kill somebody by giving them a painkiller
+I am not joking
+Occupational first aid kits, whether they are for yourself or your team, cannot contain any pharmaceutical products
+So everyone who has a first aid kit needs to carry two, so if there is an incident you can tell HSE you just used the legal first aid kit and the "comfort kit" is your prescription medication even though everyone knows it's basic shit
+This is the same country where complimentary plastic cutlery was removed from petrol stations and ready meals etc because they're legally a weapon, so that should tell you all you need to know about the quality of our laws
+--- 2546543
+I'm an unrepentant optimist who carries a blister kit and ibuprofen, gauze, and tape. This has always worked for me, but I unfortunately watched a person die from a fall. A tourniquet wouldn't have saved her, but after reading this thread I think a CAT will go with me on some outings.
+--- 2546544
+When the fuck am I ever going to need to use a tourniquet
+--- 2546547
+>>2546544
+You never know bro, you gotta be prepared for ANYTHING!
+>hikes one mile innawoods with pic rel to make an a-frame out of sticks
+--- 2546557
+>>2546544
+Do you bowhunt, ice climb, or camp out with an accident prone retarded friend? I do all three.
+--- 2546561
+>>2546557
+I don't even carry a tourniquet when we pig hunt with dogs... how could I require a tourniquet from how hunting even with a catastrophic arrow failure that sends it through my hand no tq needed
+--- 2546580
+>>2546561
+Walking down a steep muddy slope you slip, trip, and fall forward. Your bow flies outta your hand and an arrow lands with the broadhead pointing up at you. The broadhead pierces your femoral artery. Ok, I know it's a long shot but I have tripped, let go of my bow, and an arrow came out of the quiver. I'm not saying you should carry a tourniquet, just saying that I will because 6 razor sharp pointy sticks is enough for me. Also, my fukken idiot brother slipped while climbing up to his stand and landed on his bow.
+--- 2546583
+>>2546580
+>walking with an arrow nocked 
+there's your problem
+--- 2546601
+What the fuck is up with you american larpers and your obsession with tourniquets?
+--- 2546602
+>>2546583
+>an arrow came out of the quiver
+>"hurr durr arrow nocked ur fault"
+Do you keep crayons in your first aid kit for calories?
+--- 2546617
+>>2546583
+I don't walk with a nocked arrow. The bow landed in a bush and I'm guessing a branch popped the arrow out.
+--- 2546620
+Recently I read about a hiker who stepped off the trail and found a broadhead tipped arrow with his leg. It was all over the news a couple of months ago. I think there was a thread in archerytalk with a few posters saying they've found arrows in the bushes or whatever. I found one (field trip) in tall grass, so this kind of thing happens.
+--- 2546621
+Field trip not trip^^
+--- 2546623
+Tip, motherfucker ^^
+--- 2546685
+>>2546601
+Their opinions are based on YouTube and a just-in-case logical fallacy. 
+
+https://andrewskurka.com/backpacking-first-aid-kit-gear-list-downloadable-checklist/
+--- 2546688
+>>2546601
+
+You got it wrong. We're obsessed with guns. The tourniquets just come along with it.
+--- 2546689
+>>2546601
+We bleed more easily because our blood isn't clotted up with pfizer juice
+--- 2546701
+>>2546274
+Who says I work in the suburbs? And no, felling and climbing trees all day isn't an /out/ activity apparently lmao.
+--- 2546712
+>>2546274
+Is being a dipshit on /out/ really /out/?
+--- 2546718
+>>2546701
+It’s not.
+--- 2546728
+>>2546601
+I carry a gun when I go /out/, so best to carry one just incase of accident.
+--- 2546729
+>>2546701
+Come on man, everyone knows that you don't actually go /out/ unless you sit at home and shit on people for having things you don't want them to have. /out/ isn't a place; it's a state of mind.
+--- 2546762
+>>2546729
+on Clutch
+--- 2546790
+>>2546701
+You said you’re an arborist, not a logger or forester, so you’re trimming people’s trees, most likely in a suburb.
+>>2546729
+Is walking on a dirt trail in a city park /out/ to you too?
+What if there is even a hill?
+Location matters in determining what is or isn’t /out/
+>read the fucking sticky
+--- 2546799
+>>2546790
+It's okay, anon. Getting the joke is hard, we know.
+--- 2546883
+>>2545391
+Nope, apply both for safety, TQ first then I bandage 
+
+>>2545381
+Use specialised equipment or you can explain why you used jungle creepers to stop your bleeding to Jesus
+
+t. Combat medic
+--- 2546911
+A small pack of kaolin bandage/ quikclot would probably be more suitable for most people on the trail than quikclot. You can buy it in small packets the size of a gauze pad
+--- 2546912
+>>2546911
+Shit. I meant more suitable than a tourniquet
+--- 2546917
+>>2546883
+So if you don't have a CAT handy you just let the man die? Is that really what they teach you guys now?
+--- 2547220
+>>2546917
+Anon there was a linked article in this thread that showed that improvised TQs were ass. The comment is obviously not saying to not improvise if you must but that there are proven TQs and that if you are considering preparing for major trauma it would be stupid to insist you are prepared to the best ability by just improvising.
+
+>>2546601
+Accidents occur all the time. A pack of gauze and a TQ cover a lot. Anything beyond a few minutes from immediate professional and equipped help is potentially a fatal injury that you could help prevent for the low price of knowing some shit and items costing less than a night out.
+--- 2547229
+>>2547220
+>Accidents occur all the time.
+They do not. You have never needed a tourniquet and you’ve been out since you’ve spent so much time out that you’re practically a tree.
+--- 2547232
+I wonder how many people die per year because they sprung a leak in the woods and didn't pack anything to stop it because "you'll never need it". There's got to be statistics somewhere.
+--- 2547245
+>>2545333 (OP)
+>1/2 roll of duct tape
+>roll of electrical tape
+>roll of gauze
+>.25 liter rubbing alchohol
+>tourniquet is a short, pre tied piece of cordage
+
+Normally I dont even bring the duct tape. I like my stuff to be multi purpose, and multi use. Most injuries you sustain will either not be physical, or be inconsequential. Yes, a cut that bleeds for five minutes before stopping is inconsequential. tape that shit and move on. If you manage to fuck up bad enough that you need actual bandages, then you better hope you have a buddy. 
+
+Feel free to tell me im retarded, because this is just in my experience/what others have told me.
+--- 2547246
+>>2547232
+>I wonder how many people die per year because they sprung a leak in the woods and didn't pack anything to stop it because "you'll never need it".
+Zero.
+--- 2547248
+>>2547246
+Dangerously retarded
+--- 2547249
+>>2547245
+>injuries will not be physical
+Uhhh what kind of injuries are you suffering, anon?
+--- 2547254
+>>2547249
+I probably should have worded that better, lmao. I meant the main threats you should have contingencies for are from exposure. Dehydration is a lot more likely than a compound fracture, and if you're one of those herbalist types, you had BETTER have something for poison. 
+
+My main point was that if you find yourself suddenly with a sucking chest wound, odds are you will not be patching yourself up. If you find yourself with a deep cut, just tape it. If you find yourself with a cut artery, you best tie off your limb right the fuck yesterday, because you have seconds before you get woozy. Dont be the kind of guy who pre-ties a tourniquet to every limb, and wears chain mail, but also don't be the guy who brings a wet wipe and some band-aids and says "yeah ill manage".
+--- 2547256
+>>2547254
+This guy gets it.
+--- 2547257
+>>2547248
+I don’t think it’s that common. It probably is close to zero. When it comes to hiking it’s only like 140 people a year. About half are from falling off of mountains while climbing. Then you have drownings, a few animal attacks (including bee stings), natural causes, and exposure.
+--- 2547259
+>>2547257
+I think I saw that the top cause of death (in US parks) is drowning. I'm sure I can find numbers for exsanguination if I dig.
+--- 2547261
+>>2547259
+Yeah, that’s the statistic for National Park visitors. There are statistics specifically for hiking somewhere.
+--- 2547262
+>>2547257
+That's confirmed dead annually. Thousands of people go missing, and are never found annually. The answer is likely in the hundreds.
+--- 2547265
+>>2547262
+Really? That’s interesting. Can you post any kind of proof?
+--- 2547266
+>>2547265
+Thousands, Anon.
+Thousands.
+--- 2547277
+>>2547265
+Why, certainly anon. I'm glad you asked!
+
+https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/why-hundreds-of-people-vanish-into-the-american-wilderness/
+>30,000 people annually across the country aren't found
+
+But of course, that includes cities, suburbs, and such. We wand more specifically, the woodland.
+https://nps.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/b526c87ae21f4a669eb6c9238c2c4bcf
+>2017 SAR calls
+>423 not found
+>187 dead
+>1.5k injured
+This is all the people who had calls put out. I would wager there are at least double this number who never got a call. Naturally, this will vary by year, but I doubt its a double digit percentile.
+--- 2547298
+>>2547254
+Ditch the cord for CAT and bobs your uncle.
+--- 2547328
+>>2547298
+Cable?
+--- 2547382
+>>2545381
+Go back, nerd
+--- 2547500
+>>2547382
+To... nugget fest?
+--- 2548105
+>>2545333 (OP)
+anyone tried this Snakestaff EDC tourniquet? curious what people's impressions are, I've been wanting one for daily carry but seems like backpackers might also like it for the weight/size
+--- 2549623
+>>2545410
+>muh
+you gave to be 18 to post here
+--- 2549986
+Just received my CAT today. It's so surprisingly lightweight and compact that It'll go with me whenever I larp with a machete, axe, or chainsaw. Even if I lose a leg from restricted circulation I'll live to larp again as a peg legged pirate.
+--- 2549992
+>>2546883
+>t. Combat medic
+
+What do you think of a home brew combat pill pouch. 500mg Acetaminophen, 500mg ibuprofen, 509mg amoxicillin?
+--- 2549998
+>>2546883
+>t. Combat medic
+Calm down ranger Rick, the US hasn't seen combat in a decade now.
+--- 2550006
+UL trannies are once again proving that they are fucking insufferably annoying
+--- 2550026
+>>2549992
+What sort of scenario do you foresee using that in?
+
+Double the dose of Tylenol 
+In general unless you're expecting to be multiple days away from competent medical care then you don't need antibiotics.
+--- 2550049
+>>2550006
+/k/ retards carrying like 5 lbs of shit for injuries that you'll never get doing a day hike or backpacking trip are worse.
+--- 2550149
+>>2549998
+Not an american
+--- 2550152
+>>2550149
+Even worse lmao
+--- 2550188
+>>2550006
+>it’s UL fags!
+>>2550049
+>it’s /k/ fags!
+
+Take a step back and try to look from the outside. Let’s presuppose that both groups have zero real world experience. So where can they draw their opinions from?
+
+The UL faggots can look at people who have done what they’re claiming to do. Thruhikers are a prime example. The Trek takes a survey of AT hikers every year, so there’s actual data. The hikers themselves provide literally thousands of anecdotes from plenty of different trails. UL trannies can also look at individuals with a lot of accomplishments. Andrew Skurka is brought up often. He’s done insane hikes, including thousands of miles of off-trail hiking, as well as leading groups of dumbass rich folks off trail (groups are more prone to injury). 
+
+/k/ faggots don’t have that option, because anyone spending a lot of time outside will have the same opinion as the UL faggots.
+--- 2550415
+these
+--- 2550419
+>>2550049
+>injuries that you'll never get
+
+There's your fundamental mistaken assumption. My med kit isn't just for me.
+--- 2550421
+>>2546544
+In the event where you resign to losing an entire limb and aren't carrying paracord, duct tape, a bandana, or a garment with sleeves
+--- 2550425
+>>2550419
+This distinction is what a lot of people forget in these threads. If it's a strictly personal med kit you probably aren't going to need much more than this >>2546471
+But if you're designated medic for a group and especially if your job is outdoor emergency medicine you'll want stuff like shears, miscellaneous band aids, cravats, and what seems like way too much gauze
+--- 2550428
+>>2546601
+Idk it's some prepper geardo status thing I think
+I keep a tq in my car and one on me but I'm a forester, I need a tq if I injure myself with a chainsaw
+I've seen yanks boasting about how they take as many as 3 tqs out with them. I don't even know if they're joking
+--- 2550448
+>>2550026
+> What sort of scenario do you foresee using that in?
+
+Sliding down a slope and getting stabbed by a muddy stick. 
+
+It was something that was standard in my blow out kit. Asked the corpsman about it and he said it goes through different iterations as they learn more, but basically the idea was the ibuprofen and acetaminophen taken together eased the pain better than anything else and taking an internal anti-biotic was a fail safe. I know the corpsman carried morphine lollipops but I don’t think I’ll be getting my hands on those.
+--- 2550451
+>>2548105
+don't waste your money on anything not recommended by the CoTCCC
+
+https://books.allogy.com/web/tenant/8/books/f94aad5b-78f3-42be-b3de-8e8d63343866/
+--- 2550458
+>>2550448
+>ibuprofen and acetaminophen taken together eased the pain better than anything else
+this is true for things like sprains etc. I destroyed my ankle years ago, level 3 sprain and avulsion fracture, an ER doc friend of mine said the acetaminophen/ibuprofen or naproxen stack is nearly as effective as opiates for that kind of injury. but that's at the 4000mg acetaminophen and 1000mg of naproxen per 24hrs dosage
+--- 2550735
+>>2546917
+You're an absolute faggot and if you work in emergency medicine, I'd go out of my way to get your negligent cowboy ass fired.
+--- 2550738
+>>2550451
+The only thing not CoTCCC recommended that I would still put in a kit is a SWAT. The reason they don't recommend this is because it's hard to apply to your self, but it works well if it's not you strapping yourself up, and it can be used for several other things aside from being a TQ. (and it's cheap, so replacing it isn't painful).
+--- 2550739
+>>2550735
+You have to go back to the druggie thread
+--- 2552404
+>>2546917
+Pretty much what the goobers in this thread are advocating for, yeah. First aid is lost on the average hiker, I guess.
+--- 2552420
+>>2546159
+i have a small clear bottle i wrapped in tape to keep light out.
+--- 2552434
+I bought a first aid kit off Amazon and threw in a tourniquet. It's got everything for what you could reasonably be expected to handle.
+--- 2552435
+>>2552434
+Post link.
+--- 2553284
+>>2552434
+It's not one of those $300 trauma bags is it?
+--- 2553503
+>>2549992
+
+Pull the ibuprofen from that stack. Generally not recommended for any time of trauma. Most NSAIDs cause issues with the clotting cascade.
+--- 2553505
+>>2552420
+I'll have to try that, thanks anon
+--- 2553884
+combined medical / toiletries / sewing kit contains:
+>old milsurp mirror
+>bandages/gauze/butterflies
+>imodium, benadryl, and aspirin
+>bandana
+>alcohol wipes
+>toothbrush, toothpaste, dental floss
+>eye drops
+>baking soda
+>baby powder
+>sunscreen
+>adhesive tape
+>cotton swabs
+>hand sanitizer
+>finger condoms
+>finger splint
+>lip balm
+>safety pins
+>needles and thread
+>neosporin
+it fits nicely in a little 8x6x4" toiletries bag i had lying around. i keep hand sanitizer with my shitting supplies and usually camp with a nalgene full or whiskey. i could probably stash some water purification tablets "just in case," but i always prefer boiling the water
+--- 2553888
+Gauze, bandaids, that one amazing aloe skin repair cream put in a tin, and antibacterial wipes.
+I don't plan on getting shot or stabbed by a homeless man while in the middle of the Coloradan wilderness. I haven't heard of grizzlies up here either.
+--- 2554102
+>>2553888
+No grizzly. Black bear are pussies. There’s some pigmy rattlers in the hot spots. Warm and damp you’ll find some black widows. Mountain lion like all cats are ninja af, but if you can get a blow to their nose they’ll run away. Not many niggers. Spics know their place. Everyone outside of Denver and Boulder is packing. It’s a stand your ground and castle law state, so watch yourself with the crazy bitches.
+--- 2554153
+>>2553284
+nah its a 100 piece first aid bag, cost like $30 iirc.
+--- 2554194
+>>2554153
+Post link
+--- 2554539
+>>2545333 (OP)
+It's always good practice when you come across unprepared hikers who
+need aid
+--- 2554795
+>>2545333 (OP)
+
+depends on what you're doing and how long. obviously if you're doing something like chopping firewood there is greater risk than during a short 20 mile hike.
+
+day hike
+a couple each small medium and large band aids
+blister kit with tape and moleskin
+super glue
+snivel kit, allergy meds, diarrhea meds, laxatives, pain killers acetaminophen, NSAIDs, i had some opioids but im out now
+bunch of alcohol wipes
+
+real /out/
+larger quantities of everything above add
+1x quick clot 1x trauma dressing
+gauze
+gloves
+burn gel
+antibiotic gel
+tourniquet
+--- 2556264
+>>2545563
+Fucking yikes, anon. Saw accidents are nasty, knew a guy who took a saw to the face when it bucked up and wasn't wearing a face shield. Glad buddy made it out alive. Shit like this is why I wear chaps and have a trauma kit anyway when cutting.
+--- 2556270
+>>2550188
+wouldn't /k/ fags model it off of militaries?
+--- 2556273
+>>2556264
+My cowrker was a logger in Michigan. He was up a tree and forced his saw too hard. It slipped and opened up his inner thigh. You know that artery there? He was half an inch from knicking it. Would have bled out even with a properly done tourniquet with how long they had to drive him to get to help. It's the most dangerous job in America for a reason.
+--- 2556281
+>>2556270
+Yes, they would look at people who have been shot or blown up with bazookas and model their recreational outdoor first aid kits after that. It’s why they’re talking about tourniquets. 
+
+Does that sound like a good idea?
+--- 2556890
+This is what I carry hiking. The pink pills are bismuth subsalicylate (pepto-bismol) and the blue are ibuprofen. The tape is enough leuko tape for one ankle and 2-3 cut dressings. The circle thing is a silicone cock ring.
+--- 2556898
+>>2556890
+>The circle thing is a silicone cock ring.
+Check out this fag wasting grams on a silicone cock ring. Not very ultralight of you. 
+The superior choice is to cinch part of the glove around your dick to act as a tourniquet, it's just as effective and significantly lighter.
+--- 2556968
+>>2545343
+dont use powder it'll give you some nasty bloodclots
+use the impregnated bandages from quikclot
+>captcha SXTTKT
+--- 2557069
+>>2556968
+That's what I'm saying; I didn't think you could buy the powder form anymore. I remember hearing people complain about it "burning", but that was probably some whisper-down-the-line shit.
+--- 2557144
+>>2557069
+>I remember hearing people complain about it "burning", but that was probably some whisper-down-the-line shit.
+No, that was a real problem. The original formulation could reach 95C and cause full-thickness burns even when used as recommended. The issue was especially bad when used to pack deep wounds or covered by thick dressings and left to cook over a long evac flight.
+Wasn't just the powder either. The sponge form would do the same.
+
+They've changed the formulation now though and I'd assume you can't even buy the old stuff. 
+
+The concerns around strokes/clots is a whole different issue.
+--- 2559081
+>>2556968
+Just use hemostatic gauze. You can get it off Amazon.
+--- 2559119
+>>2559081
+>amazon
+Hard pass
+--- 2559581
+>>2545333 (OP)
+I have a personal first aid kit which includes the following:
+>variation of band aids
+>blister band aids
+>wound compress
+>nonwoven swabs
+>wound cleansing swabs
+>a triangular bandage
+>an elastic bandage
+>a 4-in-1 first aid bandage (suitable for pressure bandage, burn bandage, can be used to splint an arm or as regural wound dressing)
+>a space blanket
+>nitrile gloves
+>medication (ibuprofein, paracetamol, caffein, viper bite medication, >antihistamine eyedrops and antihistamine pills)
+>medical tape
+>a tick remover tool
+>scissors
+>a lighter
+All of these fit in to an old Red Cross hikers first aid kit shell. I kerp this set in my backpack.
+In addition to what I had already listed, in my right hand cargo trouser pocket I also keep:
+>a tourniquet
+>an israeli bandage
+They both are for in case of the unheard happening. Frankly, I don't believe I ever need them, but if I do, they are there. For example if I happen to hit my knee with an axe at the commonly used wilderness cabins or I get shot by a hunter.
+--- 2559590
+>>2559581
+>I kerp this set
+I keep this set*
+--- 2559597
+>>2559081
+For the love christ, buy your medical gear from a reputable dealer. Do not trust your life to bezomart.
+--- 2559685
+>>2559581
+>viper bite medication
+What're the ingredients in that? Because to my knowledge there's not medication that's particularly useful for snake bites short of antivenom (which need to be refrigerated).
+--- 2559730
+>>2559685
+It contains hydrocortisone, it aims to ease out the bodys reaction as a mean of first aid so that you can get yourself to ER. It also works for wasp and bee stings. Luckily here in Finland the vipers aren't too dangerous though.
+--- 2561434
+>>2559119
+>>2559597
+Do you guys actually go outside? Ever?
+--- 2561447
+>>2561434
+>if you don't support shitazon then you don't go outside
+It's all so tiresome
+--- 2561460
+if you need a tourniquet while /out/ you are pretty much dead already.
+this is the ideal first aid kit
+>bandaids
+>alcohol
+>cigarettes
+>gauze
+>tensor bandage
+--- 2561463
+>>2561460
+>no mirror
+>no tweezers
+>no safety pins
+>no tape
+NGMI
+--- 2561464
+>>2561460
+Had me going until I saw cigs. Good one.
+--- 2561465
+>>2561464
+im not joking at all. cigs will save you in a life or death situation
+--- 2561531
+>>2545333 (OP)
+I keep the israeli bandage in my left front leg pocket with my phone, figure if i ever need it i wont have time to walk to the equipment bag, usually gather the firewood a couple hundred yards away from my camp. Bad thing happens, put on the bandage, call for help, then figure out what to do next if you should move, make yourself more visible to rescue or just stay where you are applying pressure on top of the bandage.
+--- 2561534
+>>2561447
+Keep trying. You'll get somewhere eventually.
+--- 2561552
+>>2556968
+Either way the nurses and ER technicians will hate you for making them debride the qc. It still gets out of the bandages. 
+But pissing off nurses is what I do best. 
+IOs 4everything 
+EMS 4life
+--- 2563673
+>>2561552
+based retard
+--- 2565273
+>>2545333 (OP)
+Bump. Interested in this.
+--- 2565624
+>>2563673
+>t. Seething male nurse tranny
+--- 2565840
+What is a good lightweight container for first aid kits?
+--- 2566152
+>>2545547
+made me laugh
+atleast he has $10 though
+--- 2566157
+>>2545740
+>Ondansetron
+bro where tf you getting OTC Ondansetron? I want some, shits a life saver for hang overs
+--- 2566164
+>>2566157
+he's skimming it from a hospital.
+--- 2566310
+Honestly how difficult is it to mcgyover a tourniquet from a shirt and a stick? Instead of $60 down the toilet? It's simple pressure, not open heart surgery. Light me up couch doctors.
+--- 2566324
+>>2566310
+It's $35, super lightweight, and even a retard can figure it out without instructions. Ultra fast to put on, even one handed. But if you think it's money down the drain, don't buy one. Don't ride with a helmet either, and don't bother packing rain gear 'cause it never rains. The wind will never tear at your tent, you'll never want water in the desert, and you'll never have an auto accident. Trust me bro.
+--- 2566347
+>>2566324
+>all of these other circumstances are the same as using an improvised TQ
+>srsly guise, if you get rained on ul die
+kek
+--- 2566390
+Difficult enough apparently. I'd buy a tourniquet rather than risk being one of the 67.6% of people who fail to improvise a functional tourniquet. 
+
+See >>2545716
+>https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/2738052
+>In a study of 102 laymen who had just completed an ACS Bleeding Control Basic training only 32.4% of participants were able to correctly apply an improvised tourniquet (defined as one that provided sufficient pressure to halt bleeding) even in a non-stressful situation when provided with appropriate materials (i.e. they didn't have to think about taking their belt off or searching for a windlass). In comparison 92.2% of participants correctly applied a CAT tourniquet.
+>Interestingly people were better off with an improvised tq than using SWAT-T or RATS.
+>>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26125163/
+>Without a windlass, improvised tourniquets failed to stop bleeding in 99% of tests (79 of 80 tests). With a windlass, improvised tourniquets failed to stop bleeding in 32% of tests (p < .0001).
+>>https://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644(20)31170-7/fulltext
+>In a study80 hospital employees (including a mix of healthcare professionals and non-healthcare hospital employees) 32% of subjects were able to stop simulated hemorrhage on the initial improvised tourniquet trial, this number rose to 68% following simulator-based training instructing them on the use of commercial and improvised training. In comparison 94% of subjects using CAT tourniquet were able to successfully stop simulated hemorrhage.
+>Read that again, even after dedicated training and practice only 68% of individuals could control bleeding using an improvised tourniquet. This was in ideal situations after being provided with a wide variety of appropriate tourniquet materials, and applying it to a manikin rather than one-handed on their own body.
+--- 2566418
+>>2566390
+While the hospital employees study is bullshit because they used a mix (I assume a few cafeteria workers, admin jockeys and custodians got in there), it's still concerning that so few could improv a TQ before they had their hands held. Our medical system really is shit.
+--- 2566455
+>>2566347
+I know I said even a retard could put it on but you'll be the exception.
+--- 2566479
+>>2566310
+improvised tq fails in the overwhelming majority of cases. You don't have time to "macgyover" one when there is a femoral injury. It is better if you don't have a tq to pack the wound with a clean cloth or hemostatic gauze. You should carry a real tq hunting or shooting. Otherwise it is unnecessary because you are unlikely to experience femoral trauma except with a gunshot wound. A space blanket is 10x more likely to save your life than a tq
+--- 2566517
+>>2545333 (OP)
+
+Thanks for making this thread bro, made me realise my antiseptic had leaked. 
+
+I only have 1 med kit which I take with me everywhere but it does what I need it to
+
+Contains:
+>empty plastic bag
+>surgical gloves
+>shock blanket
+>insect bite cream
+>cotton buds
+>safety pins
+>small scissors
+>tweezers
+>ibuprofen & paracetamol 
+>strepsils
+>antiseptic
+>triangular bandage
+>x4 alcohol wipes
+>x3 gauze swabs
+>x3 roll bandages
+>x2 adhesive tape
+and as many bandaids as I can fit.
+
+When going camping I typically stick the Micropur and Hydralyte in there too.
+
+Have made use of everything at least once except for the shock blanket, triangular bandage and surgical gloves. 
+
+Also been meaning to get some snake bandages but just haven't gotten around to it yet.
+
+Any recommendations bros? Also what the fuck is an "Israeli bandage"?
+--- 2567936
+>>2566517
+Israeli bandage is a compression wrap with a sewn on dressing and a pressure applicator bar built into the wrap. It is like a snakebite/ace bandage but can be self administered one handed and apply pinpoint pressure to control a venous hemorrhage. You should buy a "T3" style Israeli bandage because it includes a detachable secondary dressing and important wound packing gauze that can even be used stop an arterial hemorrhage (massive hemorrhage) for around the same weight and bulk as the non-t3 (old) style ones.
+--- 2567937
+>>2545340
+Bring medical tape so you can tape an ankle or make a splint. Leuko tape works best and can be used to prevent blisters.
+--- 2567972
+>>2566517
+>Also been meaning to get some snake bandages but just haven't gotten around to it yet.
+Australian, I assume? Pretty sure pressure bandages aren't recommended elsewhere in the world.
+--- 2568267
+>>2545402
+This guy is an idiot
+--- 2568269
+>>2545417
+It’s one thing to be a larper and bring a trama kit without having anything bandaids. But bringing something to stop serious bleeding while doing any sort of extreme sport is different. Yeah it might not happen and you have never experienced it but this stuff does happen and when it does you will wish you had something besides your shirt
+--- 2568292
+>>2549998
+The last time I personally saw an actual firefight was 2019 in Syria. I know Green Berets and Rangers who've killed people in the last year. Combat is more sporadic now, yes, but it still manages to happen occasionally. Unless you're a Marine or something, then you're literally not deploying to do fuck-all.
+--- 2568293
+>>2545949
+I carry literally the exact same thing, were you a medic?
+--- 2568355
+>>2567972
+Yeup. Honestly not too worried about snakes, my typical camping buddies are herpers, but it's good to always be prepared
+
+>>2567936
+Cheers mate
+--- 2568357
+>>2568269
+Do you bring a satellite phone along with the tourniquet? Because if you have to use it on a limb but you're 50km+ away from any busy roads or phone reception, aren't you pretty much fucked anyway?
+--- 2568558
+>>2545333 (OP)
+Anyone grow their own medicine? Found a how to guide in this book my mom ordered me for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone’s tried it out before 
+
+https://www.digistore24.com/redir/379127/approved123/

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+-----
+--- 2546800
+post your /out/ing from a recent trip.
+--- 2546893
+>>2546800 (OP)
+Who took your pic?
+--- 2546974
+>>2546800 (OP)
+--- 2546994
+>>2546800 (OP)
+that looks a lot like a logging road in oregon somewhere. 
+>tfw such a road is at the end of your driveway
+--- 2547066
+>>2546893
+my wendigf...obviously.
+--- 2547067
+>>2546994
+not Oregon. god i hope Idaho consumes half of Oregon.
+--- 2547130
+>>2547067
+You and me both friend.
+Grew up in eastern or; and greater Idaho makes so much more sense. Getting governed by Portland jr is preferable to the current situation by far.
+Oregon gets worse the farther west you go. 
+>rural lane county resident..
+Love the state, despise the progressive trash ruining it by the year.
+--- 2547159
+>>2546974
+nice
+--- 2547167
+>>2547130
+Oregon has always been a story of "you have caught dysentery and died" now its just needle induced.
+--- 2547241
+>>2547066
+Wendibased
+--- 2547276
+>>2546800 (OP)
+I'm gonna go /out/ this weekend so I'll post something then
+--- 2547285
+>>2547130
+>Portland jr 
+is boise really that bad though
+--- 2547522
+>>2546974
+do you wear footwear to deal with solid ice on paths
+--- 2547609
+>>2547522
+Sometimes. But in this case I skied for a few miles and then bushwacked thru snow and on bison paths to get down to the river
+--- 2548146
+Car camping south of Bozeman
+--- 2548154
+>>2548146
+--- 2548160
+>>2548146
+where?
+--- 2548187
+>>2548160
+South of bozeman.
+--- 2548463
+>>2548187
+fuck off
+--- 2549290
+>>2548160
+This is near the Lewis and Clark trail in the Sula area. Skied at Lost Trail a couple days as well.
+--- 2549305
+Ice climbing pictured rocks national shoreline
+--- 2549327
+>>2546800 (OP)
+good shit anon, list of the gear?
+--- 2549750
+>>2549305
+Ice climbing is so crazy to me. I've heard that almost everyone who tries ice climbing only does it once or twice and then decides it's too nerve wracking. Have you had any gnarly falls?
+--- 2549766
+>>2548146
+> south of Bozeman
+>in the Sula area. Skied at Lost Trail a couple days as well.
+>south of Bozeman
+>200 miles to the West
+pick one
+--- 2549777
+>>2549327
+glowing
+--- 2549816
+>>2549766
+I meant Missoula. Always get those confused.
+--- 2549830
+>>2549305
+nice. I went over there for ice fest with weird concept salomon boots and it just didnt work out. Thinking of buying a set of proclines since I like dual duty gear/gimmicks. I cant really shell out 600$ for dedicated boots. next year
+--- 2549918
+>>2549777
+Retard.
+
+Am genuinely interested in the jacket etc, the /out/fit looks clean as fuck.
+--- 2549919
+>>2548463
+Didn't you get banned for repeated shitposting?
+--- 2549943
+>>2547276
+>>2546800 (OP)
+Fucking finally got unbanned so here's a general vista of the place
+--- 2549944
+>>2549943
+Experimented with a parallel fire lay. It's alright but the fire didn't spread towards the outer edges of the wood so I didn't get the full effect
+--- 2550154
+snowshoeing
+--- 2550190
+>>2549919
+didnt you?
+--- 2550192
+not been out that much lately, just a little walk up the hill in the march snow
+--- 2550226
+>>2550192
+Beautiful image.
+--- 2550238
+>>2550236
+--- 2550240
+>>2550226
+thanks man, yours too 
+I am guessing your pic is from thewestern half of north america, perhaps montana or colorado?
+--- 2550241
+>>2549305
+Was also just there, super cool.
+--- 2550283
+3 nights ice fishing last weekend and 8 hours just skiing today
+btw what does cross-country skiing mean where you live, i have heard that in some countries that means skiing in a forest as it is and in some countries that means solely skiing by ready made trails
+--- 2550364
+>>2550283
+>i have heard that in some countries that means skiing in a forest as it is and in some countries that means solely skiing by ready made trails
+
+its both. it means touring by ski...either on groomed trails or ungroomed trails. 
+
+...and that anime bullshit is so fucking gay.
+--- 2550378
+>>2550364
+>and that anime bullshit is so fucking gay
+thank you for the proper reply anon i learned something today
+when it comes to the said anime bullshit i have been laying low for 3 years until that corona outdoors trend dried down but now im back
+happy trails
+--- 2550384
+I know better than to camp in creek bottoms but did it anyways, it was cold af
+--- 2550389
+>>2550385
+--- 2550394
+>>2550385
+--- 2550434
+>>2550384
+Nice way to stay cool in the summer if you can keep the bugs out of your tent
+--- 2552215
+>>2550240
+Nevada
+--- 2552219
+>>2550389
+Any idea what type those are?
+--- 2552229
+>>2552215
+nice. not what comes to mind when I think of nevada, I usually think of desert
+--- 2552231
+>>2552229
+There's plenty of that too, man. Not a recent picture, but this is one of my favorite pictures to share.
+--- 2552239
+>>2552231
+Yeah I would like to visit a desert one day, the closest I have been is meditteranean scrubland
+--- 2552472
+>>2548160
+>>2548463
+>nu-out tries to find a place to shit up
+>gets completely stonewalled by people that actually go outside 
+Keeping nature clean and preserved will never not be a noble thing.
+--- 2552901
+It was a pretty weekend.
+--- 2552903
+>>2552901
+--- 2553519
+>>2550283
+>bringing anime into the woods.
+disgusting.
+--- 2553961
+>>2553953
+--- 2554520
+>>2546800 (OP)
+Fort Boggy with the Boggy Bros
+
+tent started leaking so we left, and there was supposed to be a thunderstorm later that night too.
+--- 2554581
+>>2554579
+--- 2554582
+>>2554581
+--- 2554583
+>>2554582
+--- 2554584
+>>2554583
+--- 2554585
+>>2554584
+--- 2554587
+>>2554585
+--- 2554588
+>>2554587
+--- 2554592
+>>2554590
+--- 2554595
+>>2552219
+
+Compare to: 
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliophorus_psittacinus
+--- 2554813
+Last week I went skiing on a frozen lake.
+--- 2554946
+>>2554813
+Beautiful photo. I want to live there.
+--- 2554973
+Few months ago before it snowed
+--- 2554979
+>>2554946
+Thanks. You can, if you want to live in Hurdal, Norway. 
+
+Here's another photo. They had made these little skating tracks. Looked pretty cool.
+--- 2554985
+>>2547066
+N Idaho
+--- 2555429
+>>2555427
+--- 2555431
+>>2555429
+--- 2555465
+>>2555129
+>>2555132
+>>2555134
+>>2552231
+WAYYYY OUT BY THE OLD KIT CARSON TRAIL
+WHERE THE DESERT MEETS THE HILLS~
+Real nice pics Nevadanon. Especially love >>2555132 those cozy little enclosed spots have always been my favorite. Man and with all this snow and rain, the smell of it this spring is gonna be something else.
+Glad to see you out there anon
+--- 2557343
+>>2546800 (OP)
+sup
+--- 2558149
+>>2555465
+Thank you, man. Got a good view of Siegel in the background while I was wandering around. I need to figure out where I want to go today.
+--- 2559030
+>>2546800 (OP)
+--- 2559031
+>>2546800 (OP)
+--- 2559151
+Got my first turkey yesterday. Second hunt lol
+--- 2559690
+I went out this weekend. Anyone know what this is? I tried iding it just by describing it but have had no luck
+--- 2560598
+>>2559690
+That's a mushroom I think
+--- 2560863
+what make rock do this
+--- 2560883
+>>2560863
+High temperature & high pressure
+--- 2562490
+It's always a magical experience when you are walking through the forest and encounter a redwood towering over all the other trees
+--- 2562524
+>>2548146
+Go back you califaggot. I swear to God i will hunt you down and kill you
+--- 2562844
+>>2554985
+well yes...but no
+--- 2563319
+>>2562529
+>crocs
+--- 2563346
+>>2563319
+You don't wear crocs?
+ngmi
+--- 2563402
+New England bros wya. I fucked up my leg on the presi traverse so im out of action for a few months. Literal torture
+--- 2564753
+>>2550394
+They look like Pleurotus so why not pick them anon?
+
+I usually pick them by whacking them with a stick if they are too high up. Nothing beats coming home with mushrooms in early spring / winter.
+--- 2565029
+Scorched earth as far as the eye can see
+--- 2565033
+>>2565014
+Fuck me, I've got to get out of this side of the country already
+--- 2565179
+>>2546800 (OP)
+>/out/ing with a gun
+insecure much about your tiny penis lol
+--- 2565187
+>>2546800 (OP)
+--- 2565188
+>>2565179
+lets see yours
+--- 2565196
+>>2565188
+i dont own a gun because im not a faggot
+--- 2565199
+Tiger stripe hoodies that aren't 1000000% polyester. Do they exist?
+--- 2565308
+>>2565196
+OP here. stay strapped or get clapped you absolutely amazingly retarded faggot. i live near bears and am not risking my or my dogs life because i have some notion of what being a man is. you wanna fist fight a bear? go for it dumbass
+--- 2565311
+>>2565308
+Stay strapped because mentally unhinged two legged animals are on the trail.
+--- 2565314
+>>2549919
+anyone who answers no to this is a newfag
+--- 2565317
+>>2565311
+that too anon.
+--- 2565318
+>>2565196
+I'll give a (You)
+--- 2565517
+>>2547130
+I'm from Portland and I hope greater Idaho happens because even though I'm not right wing at all, I know the Democrats are ruining this beautiful state and I want to be able to go to shoot and hunt in these great lands without some faggy fuckin cop being upset that I have a 30rd mag.
+--- 2565590
+I'm in South Carolina for a few days, walked a fire road a bit yesterday and got to see some really neat stuff.
+--- 2565591
+>>2565590
+There's fire breaks everywhere, I'm not sure if they do controlled burns or just let it burn naturally in the summer but it was clearly burned recently, even the pitcher plants were burnt to the waterline. This is S. Flava, I assume
+--- 2565593
+>>2565591
+--- 2565595
+>>2565593
+Some huge purp clusters
+--- 2565596
+>>2565595
+--- 2565597
+>>2565596
+Gonna get a bicycle and go back out today, see if I can't do some herping and find a flytrap
+--- 2565725
+Cross country skiing Tuesday April 4th.
+--- 2565726
+>>2565725
+And April 8th.
+--- 2565737
+>>2565726
+One more from that trip.
+--- 2566884
+>>2560863
+asynchronistic crystallization
+--- 2567223
+Early Spring White Mountains.
+--- 2567358
+getting a bit green out there
+
+>>2565322
+where was that taken?
+--- 2567508
+Skiing in the town park, April 12th.
+--- 2567684
+>>2555431
+watch out for ghost ships brah
+--- 2567718
+March 17th on Mt Whitney
+--- 2568051
+>>2567718
+Holy shit, that's amazing.
+--- 2568122
+>>2546800 (OP)
+Looks cool i think
+--- 2568180
+I saw this log in a tree and was wondering how it got there

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@@ -0,0 +1,1311 @@
+-----
+--- 2548304
+/qtddtot/ - Questions that don’t deserve their own thread
+
+previous:
+>>2525947
+--- 2548307
+has anyone here used the MLD circket tarp? im looking for a open tarp like shelter to use above treeline (1200-2500m), im deciding on either a mid style shelter or the MLD cricket since i dont know if an oversized A-frame tarp would be enough
+not a big fan of standard tents i think they are too enclosed
+--- 2548469
+Is there an oil I can use on a carbon steel blade as well as its leather sheath. No lard or fat--nothing that can go rancid.
+--- 2548722
+I just acquired an old GP medium tent. I know some of you all probably have one and I'm missing some parts. I've got all the poles but none of the rope tiedowns. Previous owner said they rotted out and he never got around to replacing them. I was told I could use standard manila rope but I can't find what length or diameter it should be. Half inch and 15-20 feet a line?
+
+Are the military surplus dog bone rope tensioners worth it? That's what it would have originally had.
+
+Also, what kind of tent stakes are best for something like this? I was thinking of just getting some rebar and bending it into J shapes and going with that.
+--- 2548746
+Is "cotton kills" a meme or not?
+Should I throw out my entire wardrobe and replace it by wool? What are some recommended brands?
+--- 2548751
+>>2548746
+>Is "cotton kills" a meme or not?
+somewhat, cotton holds onto water extremely well so if you sweat a lot and the temperature starts dropping then it could put you in a bad situation, cotton is actually what you want to use in deserts though
+for socks darntough are good and they have a lifetime warranty
+consider not getting 100% merino baselayers because they will wear fast as opposed to a nylon and merino blend, polyester base layers are cheaper
+--- 2548761
+>>2548304 (OP)
+perfect. I need experience for the southwest.
+
+Im planning on visiting the US, precisely CA, NV, AZ and UT. visiting time around end of march.
+about 15 days, starting at San Fransisco, ending in Las Vegas because international airports.
+
+Thats should roughly sum up what I have in mind so far:
+- San Fransisco (pier 39, ..., alcatraz ('NP#0'), hotel next to pacific ocean, golden gate bitch) 
+- Muir Woods National Monument (NP#1)
+- Yosemite (NP#2)
+- Sequoia National Forest (NP#3, not sure if, probably not because time)
+- Death Valley (NP#4)
+- Las Vegas
+- Hover dam
+- Grand canyon (NP#5)
+- Barringer meteor crater
+- Drive to monument valley
+- Drive to Canyonlands (NP#6, not sure if, probably not because time)
+- Drive to 4 corners monument and back to Las Vegas (above Grand Canyon through Colorade City)
+
+I am interested in any suggestions and tips.
+I already know about the annual national park pass.
+in general, I try to include as many sights as possible in the round trip.
+we will travel with car and using hotels.
+--- 2548806
+>>2548761
+can provide any info on southern germany in exchange.
+
+picrelated shows how I think of the 'outward' journey.
+--- 2548881
+>>2548304 (OP)
+Why do some hikers import their GPX files to Alltrails and other sites for obvious established routes? Doing this makes sense for trailless routes that aren't obvious, but seems like a waste of space for well-marked paths.
+--- 2548939
+>>2548304 (OP)
+What's a good hardshell backpack for traveling and hiking overseas? I need one (1) big backpack for everything that I don't have to worry about some mongrel cutting open.
+--- 2549265
+Roughly how much money would a 5 day, 4 night guided gun cow elk hunt cost? Somewhere in wyoming, near the wind river range
+--- 2549352
+if i have two 0C sleeping bags and stacked them together is there a way to estimate what temperature it would be for? one is a synthetic and the other is a down bag also.
+--- 2549357
+>>2548761
+Don't skip out on Sequoia! I personally would rather skip on DV (though I must admit, I hate the heat, so I may be a bit biased) over skipping Sequoia and KC, even just driving through and doing quick one or two hour hikes to the famous spots is worth it. Beautiful views!
+--- 2549404
+>>2548881
+For dead reckoning. Isn’t that obvious?
+--- 2549421
+>>2549357
+mh.
+how much time would you estimate for driving into park, visiting general sherman and driving back?
+is the seasoning around end of march ok for the park?
+
+did you visit muir woods?
+--- 2549908
+>>2549421
+If you really just hop out at General Sherman, probably one to two hours. Depending on traffic. I was there around September, so no clue about the march. Right now, there's lot's of snow though. 
+
+I haven't been to Muir yet, but the pictures look amazing. But to be honest, you could spend a year in California and not have seen everything, the Parks there are just phenomenal.
+--- 2550271
+>>2548469
+why will no one answer this question... I've asked knife makers and distributors and they ghost me instead of answering and the Google is useless on the matter.
+--- 2550273
+>>2548881
+because people that navigate using cellphones are retarded.
+--- 2550277
+>>2548761
+keep in mind sequoia national park (and kings canyon np) is different than sequoia national forest. also keep in mind some of those places require entrance reservations ahead of time
+>>2549352
+I don’t know that it will improve their rating or anything, it will just take longer to get cold. if you are out in weather below their ratings heat will eventually seep out. maybe it will be longer enough that it is effectively rating better
+--- 2550281
+GORP
+
+A general term for trail mix. Possibly an acronym for "Good Old Raisins and Peanuts," though there is much room for debate.
+"Hey, pass the gorp! I'm starving over here!"
+--- 2550292
+>>2550271
+just use the same oil you use with the sheath if you like to oil it so much
+you use youre knife every week and wipe it to jacket sleeve or pant leg after and before use anyways so the question itself is a null
+when you come home you dry it out, sharpen it and oil it and then put it back in its sheath 
+
+knife is not something to cherish its is a tool made for a purpose, youre not supposed make love to it youre supposed to use it
+--- 2550333
+>>2550277
+>I don’t know that it will improve their rating or anything, it will just take longer to get cold.
+dude
+what do you think a warmer rated bag is? its just more insulation... if you have two down bags with 600g of down and combine them you will now have a bag with 1200g of down
+--- 2550403
+What's a good way to get Febreeze smell out of a padded photo backpack? Stupid Goodwill Febreezes the shit out of everything...
+--- 2550550
+How to make friends? More specifically, friends to do /out/ stuff with. I moved to a new city recently and am suddenly realizing that I don't know how to make friends in my 30s. The place I moved has a lot more /out/ opportunities than where I used to live, but I have no idea how to get started with things like climbing/mountaineering.
+--- 2550750
+>>2550550
+Join local Facebook groups. Good for finding people to do /out/ shit with, less good for finding actual friends if you're a 4chan autist, most people you'll meet that way will probably be your regular liberal mainstream outdoors types. Hunting/fishing groups and gun shops might be a good bet.
+
+It sucks trying to make friends later in life, everyone I hang out with I basically met in college and I think that is the same for most adults. Most adults aren't looking for more friends because they feel like they already have a full schedule. (despite the fact that we live in a nation where people are offing themselves left and right due to loneliness, but I digress...) All I can tell you is to identify the types of people you want to meet and become friends with, then go to the types of places those people spend time (both online and physical) and spend time there talking to people, and hope some chemistry happens. Best of luck.
+--- 2550789
+>>2550292
+I use it several times a week and don't store it in the sheath. All the other tools that I own with leather sheaths are stainless so this isn't a problem. All the other carbon steel tools I own have canvas sheaths so also not a problem.
+
+Which oil works for both leather sheath and carbon steel--you also didn't answer the question and your rambling has no relation to how the tool is used which isn't really relevant anyways to the question being asked.
+
+You've also demonstrated the standard spam when googling the question--some retard gives a non answer and rambles about some totally unrelated retardation tangential to the question.
+--- 2550791
+>>2548469
+Linseed oil, I use it for all my tools and my work boots
+--- 2550808
+>>2548469
+I think any vegetable or animal based fats have the potential to become rancid but it sort of depends on things like heat and whether or not stabilizers are mixed with the fat. I've used various things like beeswax, mink oil, boiled linseed oil, and beef tallow to condition leather and I've not had any bad experiences. I always use mineral oil to protect steel because it's cheap and available and it works. I'd shy away from using petroleum distillates (other than mineral oil) on a knife blade because I wouldn't want to ingest potentially toxic stuff.
+--- 2550863
+>>2550808
+Thanks anon. I was going to try mineral oil for the sheath and blade and from what I understand the drawback is it softens the leather--which I don't care about at all. It's a machete for clearing invasive species on about 30+ acres of forest.and it's mostly game trails. I bought it because it was light and compact but still highly suited for how it is used. It won't ever be used to harvest or cut anything for food--it's for 100% murdering things like brambles and scotchbroom.
+--- 2550867
+>>2550791
+...isn't that for wood..? Everything I saw on linseed said don't use it on leather--except some people talk about using it on baseball gloves..
+--- 2551349
+would anyone be interested in a /out/ cooking pastebin? theres only that one shitty picture spammed in most food threads here so i think it would be fun to post our recipes to add to it
+--- 2551394
+>>2551349
+I would pay for a camp-cook-book that wasn't total shit. Something that talks about meal dehydration and the shelf stability of packable ingredients. Bonus points if it has seasonal recipes.
+--- 2551458
+>>2551349
+Yeah though I wouldn't be able to really contribute anything to it
+--- 2551554
+trusted brands for merino wool? Was a city guy but work just took me to the land of nature and I am trying to expand my horizons.
+--- 2551621
+>>2549265
+$10k has been the going price for a quality hunt for like 10 years. This will include lodging, food, and meat care (at least quartered and packed on ice). You'll be expected to tip your guide whether or not you're successful; more if you kill a trophy. You'll also be expected to help with the stock animals, field dressing the kill, and camp chores. Bring a nice bottle of bourbon for the guide.
+--- 2551682
+>>2551621
+>10k for a meat hunt
+yes, that's a budget price for poorfags that think they aren't low cast. hint: you're not upper class and there's not a chance in he'll a land owner in Idaho or Montana will tell you where the big game is.
+My family has some of the largest elk and deer records in the world and you won't even come close.
+--- 2551775
+>>2548746
+>Should I throw out my entire wardrobe and replace it by wool?
+No. I mean if I had a bunch of disposable income then I might, but I still wear plenty of cotton for normal, non-/out/ activities. I do firmly believe that everyone deserves to wear non-cotton socks and underwear though. I'll never go back.
+--- 2552310
+>>2551621
+Thanks for the info. My buddy and I would like to give it a shot as a sort of bucket list thing. If we both shot cow elks, what percentage would you tip? 15%? If we get skunked should we tip like 5%?
+--- 2552362
+What is the best way to set up a 10x10 or 12x10 tarp for shelter?
+--- 2552386
+>>2552362
+I like to put it off the ground a bit so I can be underneath it.
+--- 2552517
+>>2548304 (OP)
+How do I get over indecision paralysis to actually pick a time and place to go on a hike? Never been innawoods solo before, so I've never had to plan the innawoods trip.
+
+Also how do I cope with the risk of someone messing with my vehicle while I'm innawoods? Do I just accept that trailheads probably aren't popular homeless or meth head hangout spots, or convince a friend to drop me off at the trailhead?
+--- 2552758
+>>2550789
+and now after 4 days i reply to youre troll post yet again
+--- 2552865
+>>2552310
+Hell no. $200 for 2 cows is plenty. I'd tip a few hundred if my guide put me on a massive (for the area) bull. More than anything, your guide will respect you if you are quick to help with any chores and follow his instructions when stalking. BTW when I responded to your post I was giving you the price for a bull elk hunt; a cow hunt should be 25% to 50% cheaper. I know a good guide in Oregon who only charges $3000 for a cow hunt but your food and lodging are up to you to figure out. He'll pick you up at 4am at your motel and drive you onto private land to hunt all day. His success rate is excellent. So you should look into that kind of thing if you want to save money.
+--- 2552867
+>>2548761
+As a california desert rat, I highly suggest you pack as much water as humanly possible, long sleeves, lots of head cover, sunscreen, understand and recognize the symptoms of heat stroke, drink-that-water.
+--- 2552869
+>>2552867
+same poster, watch out for snakes, especially mojave greens.
+--- 2552871
+>>2552867
+do you have much experience with high-up arid areas? I'll be headed to Great Basin National park in the next few months. I know to take things slow, stack sun protection, and drink lots of water, but I'm wondering if there are any other things to look out for (aside from altitude).
+--- 2552873
+>>2552871
+if you see big horn sheep dont get too close, besides that, wear high top boots, loose rocks will rock your shit if you arent careful, but you should be fine if you take it slow like you said. Have fun, it is a beautiful place.
+--- 2552874
+>>2552873
+Thanks anon. I'm planning on getting in just as a new moon hits. I've never seen the night sky unmolested so it should be a trip to remember.
+--- 2552920
+When will the rain stop? I want to leave muh tent. It's leeeeeking.
+--- 2552928
+>>2552758
+>Asking about knife care is trolling
+And just like the last time you posted--zero useful information.
+--- 2552940
+>>2548304 (OP)
+any north americans gardening north of 58?
+im obsessed with far north gardening. but i have no info
+every time i see articles or videos about northern gardening it involves greenhouses or other high input methods
+i image search northern communities and its all lawns and local trees
+i thought it wasnt possible than i read about agafia lykova and her family
+they grew rye, peas, potatoes and hemp seeds on the tiaga
+they even made their own cloth out of hemp
+bizarre that they never learned how to smoke hides though
+planning trip to lake athabasca this fall
+would like to distribute free seeds in return for free info
+very active seed collector, hundreds of varieties
+really excited about northern limits of field crops. winter cereals, mustard seed and sugar beets
+also herbs and vegetables that can produce seed in a short season
+--- 2552946
+>>2548761
+Late, but if you are still here: Weather has been bad in California. You might have significant delays in getting were you want to, even later this month. Roads wash out in flooding, especially in Death Valley(which I think is closed because of this) as of writing, Yosemite is snowed in. Last time I was at Hoover dam, the tours were not operating. Look ahead of time before going. Meteor Crater and Monument Valley are usually accessible as long as no roads are closed. The drive on 89A towards Fredonia and Colorado City is great. Good luck and have fun.
+--- 2552948
+>>2552946
+The road you picked through Death Valley is open so it shouldn’t be a problem. Just keep your eye on the entire route and keep weather in mind.
+--- 2553141
+>>2550863
+I use mineral oil on a dagger I have plus leather scabbard. It's been six years and no appreciable damage to either, and it keeps the rust off just fine.
+Can't speak to active duty knives, all mine are in nylon or kydex.
+--- 2553248
+>>2548304 (OP)
+Any advice on finding other people to hike with who won't rape and murder me the second we're alone innawoods?
+--- 2553251
+>>2548304 (OP)
+I remember watching a show on History Channel a few years ago where they are walking on, I believe, British peatland. The guide tells the host not to step in the random creeks because people get sucked under and never re-surface. Does anyone else remember this? And if so can anyone guide me to either the video or some sort of information on if it was peatland or moorland or a quagmire and what the phenomena happening was called?
+--- 2553416
+>>2553251
+Sounds like the Bolton Strid. If not, it's probably just generic tidal mud flat shit: get bogged down, get exhausted, suffer exposure, tide comes in, drown.
+--- 2553449
+is it possible ans usefull to put hooks on a rope ladder like pic rel. I want to be able to throw it on position above me and make it hook in in order for me to get to elevated positions. Like throwing it on a ast of a tree and the climbing that. or throwing it inside of a window and then climbing that.
+--- 2553450
+>>2553449
+with these kind of hooks
+--- 2553456
+>>2553416
+Thank you, this was going to bother me until I found it. It is in fact the Bolton Strid.
+--- 2553457
+>>2553449
+>>2553450
+
+Agreed, you want it to be like a grappling hook.
+--- 2553535
+>>2553450
+I might be a retard, but those look thin as fuck.
+--- 2553544
+>>2553535
+image from >>2553450 is clearly a largish fishing hook
+
+you want a grappling hook, not a fish hook
+
+desu a larger fish hook might even work, those things are strong, but it would be a very bad day if you accidentally hooked yourself or the dog with a fish hook.
+--- 2553732
+>>2548304 (OP)
+will picrel spontaneously combust if stored in a ziplock bag inside of a dry bag at the bottom of my pack? It says "natural ingredients" but doesn't say anywhere if theres petroleum inside.
+--- 2553733
+>>2549352
+Enlightened Equipment has a chart but it's an estimation. You also assume the bags won't compress each other due to weight or fitting inside the other, which will effect the insulation, especially down.
+
+>>2552362
+Big ole DEPENDS. Pape hiker on the youstubes has a lot of suggestions. A frame covers most, but have a few options for high winds, more 360 protection, and for open field pitching depending on location and equipment.
+--- 2553805
+>>2553732
+No. You'll be fine
+--- 2553818
+how much weight do you usually carry to your treks? I think I would like to go on like three day long hikes where I walk a lot around rocky countryside, but want to make sure i dont carry too much to ruin my trip.
+--- 2553843
+>>2553248
+Bring a gun
+--- 2553849
+>>2548761
+When you're in AZ, make sure to take a detour to drive on route 89A from Flagstaff to Sedona through the Coconino National Forest. Most beautiful goddamn drive I have ever been on, I think there are hiking trails you can stop at if you like but I didn't have time to check them out when I was there.
+--- 2553871
+Is a sleeping pad for €30 like pic related good enough for a beginner like me? I want to go wildcamping for one night in the weekends. Also, is a 50L backpack big enough for one night camping trips?
+--- 2553877
+>>2553871
+Looks like a self-inflating mat, which should keep some/most of the rocks and roots from digging into your vertebrae. 50L is massive for an overnighter unless you're looking at really low temperatures and bring a very bulky sleep system.
+--- 2553880
+>>2553871
+50L is plenty for a weekend. i can easily do 3-4 nights out of my 48L bag assuming I can find water somewhere. im not familiar with that brand but im a believer that sleeping pads are one of the items you should not cheap out on. your comfort and warmth are heavily dependent on that pad. closed cell foam pads are the best budget pads you can get, indestructible, light, and have some insulation
+--- 2553893
+>>2553877
+>>2553880
+I found a closed cell foam pad for €50 with R-value of 2. Should be good enough, right? When I have all my gear I'll measure the volume in litres needed for my first backpack.
+--- 2553904
+Recommendations for a good budget lightweight cold-weather bag?
+
+I'm trying to get more into /out/ shit, my gear is fine for camping but I tried to hike a few miles with it and it was really heavy. I got a scale and realized most of the problem is my sleeping bag is fuck heavy, it's a Walmart brand one. I'm still a poorfag but I need to upgrade that if I want real backpacking to be possible at all for me.
+--- 2553933
+Why are ultra light fags so obsessed with weight? I would understand if you are thru hiking the PCT or something, but every time I meet these retards on the trail or at stores they are obsessed with spending a ton of money on gear that looks like its about to fall apart. Are you that weak of a twink that 4-6 lbs of extra gear makes it too hard to hike for a weekend? For example, my gear for sleeping is:
+>tent is 6 lbs 3 0z
+>sleeping pad is 40 oz
+>sleeping bag is 4lb 4 oz
+I also am quite larger than most of the people I see on the trail (6'3 and 265 lbs) and I got a nice big agnes sleep system that actually lets me sleep comfortably with their super wide and big gear. My tent is a 3 person Kelty one so I have room in it for me and my dog as well as girls (female) whenever I convince them to go outside. I guess I just don't see the huge difference in 5lbs of total gear when half these people are cutting their tooth brush handles of and meticulously weighing all their gear.
+--- 2553938
+>>2553933
+Like many hobbies (I can confirm cookery, guns and photography) the insidious mind-virus of "improve number" gets its hooks into people.
+True nirvana, the banishment of vulnerability, and mastery of the world is behind the next 30g saving/0.2s split time improvement/f-stop/BTU of burner output.
+--- 2553940
+>>2553933
+5 pounds of weight saved means I can take a 6 pack of tall boys with me. Or 3 tall boys and my fishing gear. Or no tall boys but my pack isn't as heavy when I lash my bow or rifle to it.
+--- 2553943
+>>2553938
+That is fair, I understand the autism of hobbies can creep in regardless of hobby type. Maybe just something about the gram counters gets me. John Muir hiked through mountains in a suit; I certainly get packing in a thought out and smart manner but at a certain point you are missing the whole point of the out doors-enjoying it requires almost nothing as it is our birth right
+>>2553940
+Yeah I also get that there has to be a point where if you save weight in X area you have more room for Y but if you are that heavy loaded you have to cut stuff for other superfluous things you probably aren't packing well to begin with
+--- 2553952
+>>2553943
+Gear fetishism is - and again this is true in many areas - a hobby all its own adjacent to the main hobby.
+I know at least one gun owner who nearly never shoots his guns. I know a few /out/ types who spend at least as long packing as they do on the trip and once they're on the trip they don't unpack or use half the shit they brought. Not that they packed heavy, but they don't need things and actually start to engage with the natural world once they're there.
+It's all just natural collect-and-polish behaviour that's been with humanity since the first shiny rock and will be with us until we have complete mastery of matter.
+--- 2553958
+>>2553893
+should work just fine down to freezing t. norwegian
+if for some reason it isn't enough make a bed of spruce branches and put your roll on top
+--- 2554200
+I'm going to be car camping and hiking at the end of the month around sedona, the nights might still dip down to the 30s. I have a shitty tent and a 20 degree sleeping bag, but I want to be toasty. My plan is to fill a couple hot water bottles to put in my sleeping bag (just disposable plastic type) and get some 10 hour hot hands packs. I'll have a few pairs of wool socks, thermal long johns, sweaters, and a beanie. Does this strike you as fine? How many hot hands do I want per night, assuming I'll probably start using them when the sun goes down and hanging around the camp fire (in the wind) till midnight? What's the strategy when using them, just put one down each sock and maybe one under an arm pit?
+--- 2554214
+>>2548304 (OP)
+I currently work a tech job as a software developer, but I will need to find new work next month when my current project concludes. Are there any techy jobs that would get me out innawoods? Ever since I got out of college I've been wondering if there's a career out there that could mesh my appreciation of the outdoors with my affinity for tech.
+--- 2554289
+>>2553904
+teton sports makes budget 3 season bags. Leef i think is the cold one
+--- 2554295
+>>2548307
+Yes I have an orange silnylon one. It's a popular choice, along with the trail star, for camping in exposed places. The current version of the cricket does need a longer trekking pole, otherwise you need to use a pole jack which Ron will send with the tent. The silnylon version is more verstile than the DCF version as you can pitch the beak lower. I haven't had the chance to use it much yet but so far the few over nighters I've done with it have impressed me. 
+>>2548761
+If you go walking around the south west learn what cryptobiotic soil looks like and don't step on it. 
+>>2548881
+a gpx can be handy even for a trailed route, for example planning distances, checking elevation etc. also all trails and similar sites, iirc, crawl the internet and basically snap up publically available gpx files.
+>>2553818
+my gear weighs in at 6-8.5lbs depending on conditions, then add ~2lb per day for food, and ~2lb per liter how water. A three day load out in normalish 3 season conditions where I don't need to carry much water would weigh in at around ~12-15lbs
+>>2553933
+>Why are ultra light f*gs so obsessed with weight?
+I mean it's in the name, if you weren't obsessed with pack weight they wouldn't be ultralight... for a small light bag is more fun to hike with. There is a massive case of diminishing returns under ~9lbs imo. under that it's less about reducing weight and more about simplfying your gear list.
+>>2554214
+I met a guy who was living in his truck. He had solar panels and a star link connection. He works a tech job and was basically just cruising around the place setting up in a campsite for however long and working his normal hours. Seemed pretty cool.
+--- 2554312
+>>2554295
+>basically just cruising around the place setting up in a campsite for however long and working his normal hours
+Once upon a time I actually considered doing pretty much the same thing, but with a boat. I don't think I have the kind of money saved up to properly outfit a truck/van/boat for that sort of thing at the moment, but it's definitely something I'll consider going forward.
+--- 2554334
+>>2554289
+Awesome, this is exactly what I was hoping for. Have you used a lot of Teton gear, is it at least decent quality? Their site has good deals on other stuff besides sleeping bags, anything you recommend or anything I should steer clear of?
+
+Remember my baseline here is milsurp, thrift store shit and Ozark Trail so even if it's awful compared to most modern brands it might still be a good step up for me
+--- 2554346
+>>2554312
+his setup didn't look cheap, but I got the impression his job was well paid.
+--- 2554350
+>>2554295
+>>2554312
+I'm painfully fucking jealous of people who can pull that off. That has been my dream for years and I keep running into setbacks and bullshit. 4 years and thousands of dollars went down the drain trying to restore an old motorhome that was ultimately a lost cause.
+
+>>2554346
+That's the fucking rub. I'm running into the sad reality that everyone who makes this work nowadays has a bunch of money for nice equipment. You can't just pick up some old camper for a few grand, spend a summer fixing it up and then go cruising merrily around the US on a shoestring budget like it was fucking 1972 and I wish to hell I could go back.
+--- 2554353
+>>2554350
+He had this particular roof tent thing for his truck which he said he had to wait a good while to get hold of as they are in short supply but high demand. 
+But desu the most expensive parts of his set up was the equipment to facilitate his digital work, solar panels, batteries, and star link. So if you didn't need that then it would be cheap. But the joy of the digital side is that you are working and living, rather than going on holiday.
+On something of a related side note I worked with a guy who lived in a horse drawn wagon in his 20s and most of his 30s. He would travel up and down the UK doing small scale forestry work, using the cart horses to pull out the logs. He said he gave it up as the roads became harder to travel with horses due to more and faster car traffic. Plus attitudes towards him changed quickly. Areas that used to be welcoming, and even keep work aside for him, started to shun him. Eventually he said in some places were actively hostile. It's sad but everything changes, for the better and the worse. He said it took him a long time to get used to living in a house and he would basically spend all his time in his garden.
+--- 2554375
+>>2554353
+After I gave up on the motorhome I started a project building a ghetto camper cap for my truck. It's halfway done now, we'll see how it goes. My vision is like the redneck macgyver'd version of this guy. For now I plan to work from coffee shops and public libraries though Starlink might be in the future if I start traveling full time. The other big hurdle is getting my employer to move me to full time remote which has been "next year" for several years now. And my fucking coworkers keep going on vacation or catching the coof so I need to do onsite work to fill in for them.
+
+Yeah, society is mostly changing for the worse in terms of living on the road for cheap. I feel like travelers are viewed with more suspicion now and police are more likely to hassle you. Modern RVs are made of fucking glue and cardboard and not designed to last at all, because the market is mostly boomers and retards who only use them for a week a year. The age of the wanderer making it day to day and living by his wits and skills is over, now your only practical choice is to jump in the rat race and kiss ass in a corporate hellhole job to earn a bunch of money, leaving you without enough time to really enjoy it anyway.
+--- 2554452
+>>2554440
+>its not uncommon to see ultralighters out hiking
+This has nothing to do with the argument made by the post you're replying to. Try reading it again.
+--- 2554454
+>>2554440
+That's all true but I think that anon was talking about people who take it to a ridiculous extreme. Dropping an extra couple hundred bucks on a high quality, ultralight tent or sleeping bag is sensible for people who can afford to (not me, I'm this anon >>2554334 who was asking about Teton Sports, but for some people). That guy was talking about people who are measuring everything down to the gram and cutting their toothbrush in half, and who are having a dick measuring contest over whose pack is lighter.
+--- 2554464
+>>2554460
+That's fine and it's good that they're driving innovation, but in person they still tend to be fucking insufferable pricks who give you the stink eye for not having the latest Gucci equipment
+--- 2554503
+>>2548304 (OP)
+What are some fun things for toddlers to do while camping?
+--- 2554509
+>>2554503
+Raccoons are fun
+--- 2554538
+>>2554464
+Are the ultralighters in the room with you now?
+--- 2554544
+>>2548746
+its a meme, 
+COTTON for HOT CONDITIONS, where you NEED to stay cool
+WOOL for COLD CONDITIONS, where you NEED to stay WARM even when wet/sweaty, also prevents smells for a couple day to a week(then it turns into a wool bomb of smelly shit you yourself don't notice)
+--- 2554552
+>>2550292
+you will have 2 types of oil to use
+FOOD GRADE OILS, that don't poison any vegetables, meat, leather/fur, and make breathing in smoke from a fire a bad idea. These will do the intended purpose of so-called knife oils, to prevent rust and to lubricate joints/pivots/etc.
+
+Then there are the slightly, to very poisonous types. These are bad idea to use for anything you use for food, hunting, and surgery/cutting out ticks, splinters, etc. These are meant to be used for knives you are leaving in a supply cachet, like in a summer/winter home/cabin/bug out den/ emergency stash in your vehicle. These are meant to REALLY prevent rust, even if they get rained on/left in moist area's because the roof/cabinet/tackle box started leaking. Their main purpose is to prevent the knife/axe/tool from turning into rusted pile of rubble and to prevent it from being rusted shut/open and unusable. These you are expected to completely remove, replace with a light coating of something safe for you to use it to cook/clean with.
+
+Most natural oil based types are safe for the first purpose. Not to drink/slather on your food. Synthetic can be food safe, but will generally have the same effect as antifreeze will on your body.
+
+If you are the type to constantly oil your knives, guns, and tools. You will generally be safe to use the so-called fat types. Stop oiling everything up. Its meant to be used for tools you DON'T USE for long periods of time and/or wet weather.
+--- 2554556
+>>2553805
+>>2553732
+these are just particle board bricks that have petroleum, wax, and/or scentless oils used to hold the finely ground wood particles together
+
+DON'T store oil soaked RAGS in ANYTHING you don't want spontaneously starting on fire though. THAT is a true thing that occurs. Lots of thorough studies and science behind THAT.
+
+Just make sure you don't drop a hot, recently used stove/lantern near them and you'll be fine.
+--- 2554562
+>>2553952
+the insulated mat, whether its inflatable, gram light, and/or comfortable is kinda a meme if its to keep you warm
+just get a collapsible cot, weights almost nothing, doesn't take up space til you deploy it, Takes your ass off the ground, insulates you that way, and works in both hot/cold climates.
+solid folding ones are only really usable if you have a permanent place for them because they take so much space up. a small fan for when its hot(folding solar pad to charge/run it during the heat with long cord) and to blow the fire-heat under it during the winter/cold
+
+tarps are a meme if you aren't in closely wooded area's, otherwise they do make hot temp camping NICE, winter/cold camping you'll be looking to make wind breaks just to not freeze to death
+--- 2554709
+>>2554200
+That sounds like absolute overkill to be perfectly honest. Even a poor 20deg bag might be enough with the layers you described, maybe just a nalgene.
+
+>>2554503
+Camp cooking, firewood sorting, games by the lantern.
+
+>>2554562
+>Fan
+>Cot (insulated???)
+>Tarps are a meme
+
+Ngmi. But seriously cots also need insulation in cool weather. Same issue as hammocks, bottom is exposed to air.
+--- 2554766
+>>2548304 (OP)
+what is a good flashlight for about $20-$30? preferably one with red light and SOS mode.
+--- 2554775
+>>2554766
+Buy a Convoy C8+ from Aliexpress.
+--- 2555048
+what does it mean if new hiking shoes bite into toe during descent
+--- 2555053
+>>2555048
+Need to be laced better.
+--- 2555142
+>>2553805
+>>2554556
+Thanks gang
+--- 2555285
+So a lot of outies say that Merino Wool socks are a godsend. I can buy that, but I have a problem with, well, buying them. Almost every pair of socks I haven seen in stores (if it matters, I'm looking in outdoor specialty stores, not Walmart or Costco) that are advertised as Merino Wool are actually some kind of blend.
+
+A) Do 100% Merino Wool socks exist?
+B) If they don't, what is the bare minimum percentage that is acceptable? I've seen socks with as little as 20% Merino Wool, and some as high as 82%.
+--- 2555297
+>>2555285
+you will never find 100% merino wool because any decent sock will have spandex and nylon to give a proper fit. 80% merino wool constitutes the entire body of the sock
+--- 2555455
+>>2555285
+ime merino on its own is pretty fragile, the blends have all the pros of merino while being much harder wearing.
+--- 2555781
+Any reccs for hiking pants for anons with sensory issues ( i favor loose n stretchy/jeans are a no go always). a friend told me about outdoorresearch but the price for their products is a bit steep for my pockets at the moment.
+--- 2555784
+>>2555781
+frogot pic. related item.
+--- 2555791
+>>2555781
+Running shorts in the summer, Prana stretch Zion if the weather is on the chilly side, long poly/lycra running pant (similar to bicycling pants) for colder weather. I have heavy poly/lycra long running pants that I wear in deep snow, they're warm, comfy, and dry fast.
+--- 2555906
+Are there any good bottle to bladder conversation kits out there? Not mainly for PET bottle. I only find this Source on so far.
+--- 2555918
+Recommended walkie-talkie?
+--- 2555946
+>>2555918
+Baofengs, right?
+--- 2556760
+>>2548304 (OP)
+we have a problem in our yard, and we need to find out what is getting into an enclosed area, so we want to get a trail cam. 
+
+kind of want a wifi enabled one so we don't have to go out to get data from it, but also don't want to pay out the ass for a cell enabled cam either. would like to have video but it doesnt need to be a priority, just a good image is enough, but seeing what its doing would be a nice extra, and when this is done, probably going to stick it to birdfeeders or where we don't care about will come onto out yard. 
+
+we need decent night performance, and would like decent day performance. I have no idea where to even start looking at these things
+--- 2556807
+>>2555285
+50% wool is good. Any more and you will see faster wear.
+--- 2556829
+Is there anything toxic or otherwise harmful about wading in dark iron-rich water, aside from maybe staining your clothes? Pic related, where I went today.
+--- 2556830
+>>2550867
+People might use it on baseball gloves because it's a little bit sticky. I only use it on wood and metal. Like a pick or shovel, just coat the whole thing.
+--- 2556833
+>>2552517
+>Also how do I cope with the risk of someone messing with my vehicle while I'm innawoods?
+Depending on the vibe of the place, sometimes I leave it unlocked with nothing valuable inside. Sometimes I leave a note in the window that says I'm hunting nearby... which is sometimes true.
+--- 2556843
+>>2556829
+looks more like tannin rich than iron to me, with iron you get those bright orange stains along the edge
+either way I wouldn't worry about it
+--- 2556845
+Who makes nice full brim hats? Polymer material if possible.
+--- 2556849
+>>2552940
+Look up cold frames. Lengthen your growing season by starting seedlings early.
+--- 2556851
+>>2553732
+When oils are exposed to air, they begin to polymerize and oxidize and give off heat. Buckets of oily rags catch on fire because oil + high surface area + thermal insulation of other rags around them.
+--- 2556852
+>>2553933
+No matter how strong you are, you can go farther and faster with a lighter pack and trekking poles.
+--- 2556853
+>>2554503
+Throw rocks in creeks.
+--- 2556854
+>>2556760
+Get lithium AAs if it's cold.
+--- 2556985
+I'm going to do a three day, two nights hike soon and won't be going to any stores. 
+I'll be bringing a tent and a sleeping mat. What kind of food should I bring. 
+I should probably get something to filter water with and scout for a route near water shouldnt I? or is bringing 10l of water a realistic thing. I only ever did one nighters and was able to carry all my shit with me (water included). 
+Is there anything else I should be aware of? I won't be doing a round trip if that is somehow relevant information.
+--- 2557020
+>>2548304 (OP)
+is there a way to incorporate weight training into hiking? i'd like to get stronger upper body, but i don't really like gyms, so i was curious if it's possible to get a relatively good physique just by hiking? could I just carry a weighted backpack, and maybe weighted trekking poles and expect results?
+--- 2557038
+>>2557020
+Do the gay jogger thing and carry dumbbells in your hands. Honestly hiking is not great if you're trying to gain upper body strength, it will help you tone up a little but you will never get jacked doing it. Your best bet is to stop and do pullups from trees along the way with your backpack on desu
+--- 2557039
+>>2556985
+>I should probably get something to filter water with and scout for a route near water shouldnt I?
+Yes, that's way better. Bringing 10L of water would be fucking awful, people only do shit like that camping in the desert.
+
+>what kind of food should I bring
+Light weight, calorie dense. Freeze dried meals are a great option, but they're fuck expensive. If you're on a budget, those Knorr brand meals in the green bags are like a dollar apiece, weigh nothing and taste okay. You will need a bunch of them though to keep your calories up for hiking. For breakfast, oatmeal is king. Pasta is good. Nuts and beef jerky are good trail snacks, very calorie dense. I always bring instant coffee as well, yes you can get a good pour over coffee setup for the trail if you're a snob but I'll stick to my shit tasting caffeine mud.
+--- 2557058
+>>2556985
+Other anon is correct, the knorr sides and some protein sources like spam, chicken, or fish make pretty good dinners. Depending on your weather, hard cheeses and sausage work well. Some peanut butter. And snacks. Lots of good snacks like the nuts and jerky. Apples and oranges pack well. Layout your food in a per day menu on the floor. Should be hitting your normal active calorie intake plus extra but that's all on the individual to decide. Snacks are good because you can always carry extras to fill in of the hunger hits. Oh and day 1 you can bring pretty much anything. I'll do a sandwich, hardboiled eggs, olives, whatever will last 10 hrs in a pack. Shit if you're building a fire night 1 you can bring a steak and potato.
+--- 2557076
+>>2556985
+less sodium spam
+--- 2557115
+>>2557039
+>>2557058
+Thx
+--- 2557313
+Why are Leathermans so more expensive in Europe than in US? For example, the Wave + is 119.95 USD, but 159.00 EUR.
+Is there any simple way to pay for the american price and ship it to this shitty continent?
+--- 2557318
+>>2557020
+Buy a solid set of dumbbells to keep at home. So many exercises you can do with just dumbbells. Keep them somewhere available and just pump out some sets when you walk past. You'll learn to like it
+--- 2557335
+Planning a proper trip this summer and need the essentials. 
+
+MSR Elixir 1 tent, anyone familiar with it? Is it durable? And how big is the space outside really? It seems small, but it also seems like no alternatives have bigger.. Is it possible to use in winter too? How cold / how windy can it be used in?
+
+Also looking at MSR XGK EX. Anyone familiar with this stove? I want to be able to cook my food without just burning it. Is it doable to cook the fish I catch? Or do I have to constantly take the pan off or make a stand to keep it high off the stove?
+--- 2557442
+>>2557335
+any 1 person tent is going to be small as fuck, just enough room for your sleeping pad and a bit of gear. personally I think MSR is overpriced for what you get.
+
+the only real difference between a 3 season and 4 season tent is that a 4 season will have minimal mesh on the inner, probably just a couple vents on the top ends and thats it. the tent is just there to keep the wind and moisture away, the actual warmth is your clothing, pad and bag.
+--- 2557448
+>>2557442
+Ok, so at non-extreme temperatures like down to -10 celsius let's say, it's probably fine with 3 season?
+--- 2557450
+>>2557448
+yes
+--- 2557486
+>>2557448
+"4 season" tents are a marketing gimmick and universally suck ass. beginner trap/pitfall.
+no single tent is good in all weather.
+you want a 3 season tent.
+and if you get into winter backpacking you need a dedicated winter tent. winter backpacking requires its own separate gear list and its a lot more expensive to get into. start with 3 season backpacking.
+--- 2557487
+>>2557448
+>-10c
+3 season tent is fine as long as there is not a large amount of snowfall. otherwise you will need a winter tent designed to support the weight of the snow pack. its less about the temperature and more about how much snow falls.
+--- 2557568
+>>2557486
+>>2557487
+Ok, I see. Thanks, lads
+--- 2557663
+Anyone wear full grain leather hiking boots like the Danner Mountain Lights or Limmer boots? There’s also the Merrell Wilderness but I read their quality went to shit. Anyone got reccs it’s hard to find much info on this everyone loves they’re fancy synthetic shit 
+
+They’re pretty expensive but not really if you resole them. Not sure if the weight is that big an issue. I started working in the classic redwing Mocs and while brutal to break in they’re so comfy and supportive after a few weeks.
+--- 2557667
+>>2548722
+just tie a prussik to any light weight bearing rope. unless you are going larp mode so it has to be what was used you are making this way harder than it needs to be.
+--- 2557734
+>>2557350
+Yeah, I think I'll go with a SAK. Thanks!
+--- 2557746
+>>2557351
+...so that's what not to use
+how about telling us what to use
+--- 2557771
+>>2557667
+>Use a prussick on a tent stake tiedown.
+no
+just..no.
+please never ever give advice on knots again
+--- 2557777
+>>2556852
+This isn't actually true.
+I regularly speed check when walking with zero gear, day-pack and fully packed and the speed difference between day pack and multi day pack is negligible. Ultralight is a meme propagated by woman and weak vegans.
+--- 2557877
+>>2557777
+where do you live/hike? somewhere really flat? what sort of hill grades do you normally hike?
+your post knee jerks as dumb as hell to me but i live in the mountains. i don't think it matters very much on flat ground either.
+--- 2557879
+>>2557663
+danner import boots are bad and danner mitusa boots are overpriced relative to quality. not a fan at all.
+if you want a pacific northwest boot look more at jk, whites, nicks, wesco, viberg, etc. the quality jump is massive for not much price increase over danner made in usa.
+be aware none of these brands use normal sizing and all have sizing quirks you need to research. they're bespoke made to order.
+--- 2557883
+>>2557877
+Trick question; he doesn’t hike at all.
+--- 2557894
+>>2557879
+Thanks. I actually have a pair of nicks logger style boots. But I don’t really want such a high boot for hiking. I’ve never seen shorter slightly more lightweight boots from these companies do you know of any?
+--- 2558118
+>>2557877
+I'd argue walking speed isn't a good metric. Miles per day median or average and median days on trail per week or something maybe. The weight reduction really shows when you're reaching 25+, 30+ mi days every day for weeks. Less weight is less effort, less energy expenditure, less likely to result in injury. That doesn't show on a weekend hike or mph.
+--- 2558134
+Do you think a 23x30in (60x78cm) towel is enough when backpacking ? cutting it in half to this size would save me 100g, I'm wondering if I'd still be able to dry my whole body with it.
+--- 2558260
+>>2558134
+Take a shower and try to dry yourself with as little as possible maybe? Unless you're swimming, what's the use beyond wiping your feet or condensation?
+--- 2558306
+>>2558260
+that's true desu I dont really need much anyways lol thanks
+--- 2558333
+>>2557877
+You're an idiot and asking all the wrong questions. You're also weak if you don't understand that the larger the incline the less there is a speed difference based on weight.
+>>2557883
+Its amazing how desperate you are to sound retarded. I love it when you retards go on boards you no nothing about and post the same comments over and over as if you're clever--you're not.
+--- 2558334
+>>2558118
+I agree that daily distance matters more than speed but your also talking about endurance. Someone who isn't a weak faggot isn't going to struggle with a few extra pounds. Just because someone isn't "ultralight" doesn't mean they're packing retarded shit that's heavy.
+--- 2558347
+>>2558333
+>the less there is a speed difference due to weight.
+pure inexperience shown by posting this.
+pace on steep terrain and all terrain class 3+ is measured in elevation change and your horizontal distance traveled is irrelevant.
+it is the opposite of when you think, the time there is the greatest difference. just use your brain my post is common sense. how fast do you think you are at the climbing wall vs how fast are you with plates on your back? exactly.
+--- 2558349
+>>2558334
+>endurance
+virtually every endurance athlete is weight concious. have you seen how expensive racing bikes can get? 
+over 90% of long distance hikers are ultralight and its been that way since the same time the gear became widely available, look at the surveys. the most accomplished outdoorsman alive with multiple world firsts right now in north america is an ultralighter. everyone who climbs knows your weight matters. no offense but i only see these sort of posts from people on 4chan who have never done anything and i always hear the polar opposite opinion from people who provably walk the walk.
+--- 2558454
+Southern anons, what's the worst thing about hiking/camping/hunting/bushwacking in the beautiful south? Are chiggers really a thing?
+--- 2558511
+>>2558454
+>chiggers
+Holy fuck, yes they're real. Imagine having a bunch of extremely itchy scabs on your body that are actually tiny little tunnels those bastards carved in your skin to get at your juicy insides.
+--- 2558516
+>>2558511
+Yeghk. So long pants and pyrethrum?
+--- 2558640
+Flashlights.
+I'm a simple man, a one mode P60 is where it's at for me.
+I had a lot of SolarForce hosts, but when I realized they had a cult following I foolishly sold them.
+I'm back in the market, any recommendations? My initial research is pointing to Convoy S2+.
+--- 2558661
+I've been wanting to go on a pilgrimage of sorts. My idea is to walk E1 from Nordkapp and finish it in black forest Germany. Perhaps continue on. 
+My question is as follows: how do I prepare? 
+What if this process is about putting it into hands of gods? The last time I set out to do a 4 day and 4 night no water no food hike to prove something dumb for myself, just as I set out a guy drove up to me and offered water. When I said 'okay' he as if he was sent by the committee of guides spirits or what it be, checked and said that he doesn't have any. Perhaps manifesting what I need for my journey and what I am planing to get out of it for myself is the key as retarded as it may sound
+--- 2558662
+>>2558661
+Has anyone had experience in walking lengthier trails?
+--- 2558666
+>>2558640
+just get a convoy. there are entire stores on aliexpress dedicated to parts for them.
+--- 2558725
+>>2548722
+My friend is in the same situation as you except we have to make new poles as well. You're probably best off with rebar unless you want to buy milsurp tent stakes (big metal ones like for pup tents). You probably want the tensioners as well, you can buy them in bulk for pretty cheap. Or you could try it without them and see if you don't need them.
+
+Manila rope is all you need, idk the size. Maybe there's a spec sheet for what size was standard with a GP medium.
+--- 2558735
+>>2558349
+>Post hoc ergo propter hoc
+>Appeal to authority
+so, you're retarded, but I'll answer you anyways:
+ALL RACERS IN ALL COMPETITIONS are concerned with weight because tenths of a second matter in a race. Those tenths of a second don't matter outside of competition.
+
+So, to be clear, retard, shaving two pounds off a load will save you 7 minutes in 20 miles--which doesn't matter at all if you aren't racing.
+--- 2558737
+>>2558347
+Yes, it's obvious you have no experience. What you said is not only retarded--it's tangential to my point. I've done the comparison of weights at various elevations, which you haven't, and the result is more weight doesn't slow you down much (if you aren't a total limp wristed fag) up to a point. My max weight is much higher than yours so if I were to carry the EXACT weight as you I'd still be noticeably faster on any terrain.
+--- 2558740
+>>2558666
+Eventually I'd like around a dozen, but I suppose I don't need to be in an 'all or none' mindset. I'll get one and see how it goes
+--- 2559014
+If there a radio general for field operation? It seems like cross between /o/ and /out/.
+--- 2559039
+>>2559014
+i know there's a couple other radio/cell techs on here.
+>in before baofeng
+--- 2559049
+>>2557746
+Neetsfoot oil or beeswax 
+Less is more
+--- 2559051
+>>2558735
+NTA while I mostly agree with your points those minutes saved equate to energy spent ergo energy not spent. But I'm splitting hairs
+--- 2559106
+>>2559014
+>>2559039
+Actually you want /diy/
+
+>>>2576037
+--- 2559107
+>>2559106
+Fucked it up. Here >>>/diy/2576037
+--- 2559113
+>>2557777
+>speed
+Fucking kill yourself retard
+--- 2559156
+Why is military surplus clothing mostly Cotton?
+
+Even winter gear. Is the military fucking retarded? 
+Are they that fucking cheap?
+--- 2559271
+>>2559156
+If your question is "why not wool?" Then the answer is usually contract size. Expense aside, it's unlikely they got bidders who could supply the quantity required within stringent quality conditions.
+(Military people may be about to come in and laugh about quality standards but most militaries make it very irritating for the supplier even if they're not efficient at getting good value)
+--- 2559273
+>>2559156
+I had a pair of German wool pants from the 1970s that were brand new when I found them in an army surplus store. The quality was such that I'd gladly pay $200 for another pair. But I've worn 60/40 with polypro underneath in the worst weather imaginable and didn't get too cold. Nowadays the US military has clothing for the coldest situations and it's as high speed low drag as anything you'll find in a good mountain gear shop. They don't sell it to surplus wholesalers very often because it costs so much to make. Check out Sportsman's Guide, they occasionally get some decent stuff for cold weather.
+--- 2559517
+>>2559107
+It could be /out/ when finding contacts remotely from a car.
+--- 2559620
+>>2559517
+Yeah, using a radio is very much an /out/ activity, I'm not saying they don't belong here, just that it would be redundant to have a general thread for them since there's already one on /diy/, and that's where the most knowledgeable hamfags hang out anyway
+--- 2559736
+>>2559113
+distance/time is speed
+checkmate, retard
+--- 2559803
+>>2559049
+Much appreciated. What I can find on Neetsfoot oil is it's great for leather and not, not bad for carbon steel.
+--- 2559808
+>>2559156
+Cotton canvas weave is more durable than synthetic. That's all.
+--- 2559839
+i need to buy bear spray. should i buy one particular brand or kind or something, or it's all the same? is the cheap aliexpress thing good enough?
+--- 2559913
+>>2559839
+>Is this potentially life-saving tool worth saving 10 bucks by buying Chineseisum?
+--- 2560016
+Am I going to get autism if I use an aluminium kettle?
+All the ones I can find are aluminium because of muh ultralight faggots.
+--- 2560066
+>Be me
+>Learn how to sharpen knives
+>Sharpen all my knives
+>Don´t have to sharpen them anymore for a year
+>Forget how to sharpen knives
+>Have to learn it all over again
+--- 2560138
+>>2560016
+No, autism and its closely related mental disease, profound retardism, are genetic. You're safe.
+--- 2560148
+>>2560066
+Lansky sharpening system. Freehand stones are for very consistent users (who don't need advice on a Micronesian Fresco website) or posers.
+--- 2560152
+>>2559913
+everything is made in china nowadays though, it's a fair question
+--- 2560463
+I was linked here from the other board when I asked a question, what do I do next?
+--- 2560580
+>>2557039
+>>2557058
+I'll be bringing pic rel now that should last me
+
+>>2557350
+I'll be able to filter and I've got my route now, so I will filter
+--- 2560775
+>>2560580
+>bread
+Awful choice. Squishes down in the pack. Try tortillas or pita or something.
+>canned food
+Not awful but not ideal choice. Cans add unnecessary weight
+>oranges
+Heavy. Bringing a few is fine to eat on your first day but their weight does not justify their calorie count.
+>wafers
+I think those are wafers of some sort? Your picture looks like it was taken by someone with Parkinson's disease. But those will be crushed to powder in your pack.
+
+And the total amount of food is not nearly enough for 3 days of hard exercise. Just scrap your whole menu plan and start over. All your food should be light, tough and calorie dense, you chose the opposite of that. Try some of these:
+
+>Nuts are top tier. Tons of calories
+>Dried meats. Beef jerky, snack sticks, summer sausage
+>Oatmeal is also top tier. Can never go wrong with instant oatmeal for on the trail
+>Dry beans/rice/pasta. Lightweight things that can be turned into hearty meals by adding some water. Try products like those Knorr sides that add flavor to those things if you aren't much of a camp chef
+>Freeze dried meals if you can afford them
+>Some candy can be a good idea for a quick energy bump. Not too much of this and avoid candy that will melt in the heat.
+
+I'm not saying you need to be all high speed low drag ultralight all the time, you can get away with some sub optimal choices if it's what you prefer. The herring filets are fine. But the food you pictured is literally the opposite of what you should do
+--- 2560780
+Is there an archive for this board?
+--- 2560790
+>>2557039
+>beef jerky
+i dont think beef jerky is worth it for the price, if you can find thin summer sausages in like a snack shape form they're usually way cheaper and more calorie dense, often double the calories and half the price
+--- 2560791
+>>2560790
+>thin summer sausages
+Fuck that, just go whole hog and carry a summer sausage. Pare off pieces with your knife to eat. That's what I do, I prefer beef jerky but I am a poorfag so Great Value summer sausage it is
+--- 2560838
+>>2548304 (OP)
+want to pick up a bike this spring, havent drove one since elementary. is this a good pick for $600?
+--- 2560845
+Shill me a camp cup.
+--- 2560865
+What's the best mushroom substrate? I got a mixture of wood chips, straw, and a little compost. Sound good?
+--- 2560894
+>>2560775
+>>2560580
+
+ Looks euro so the bread is probably pretty stiff, really depends on how jammed in there it is but yeah for 3 days you should be up at least near 2000 kcal per day. If that's 1 day thats probably ok or if it's just a sample of the sorts of things you're looking at.
+--- 2560901
+I want to backpack this summer but all the permits in the area I want to visit are taken. Can I just show up? What are the chances some ranger actually asks to see my permit?
+--- 2560919
+>>2548304 (OP)
+Anything cool in Cypress Hills Interprovincial Park? I will be passing through this weekend, and I will have my snowshoes with me.
+--- 2560921
+>>2560901
+They will never ever check for a park pass unless you do something retarded that gives them a reason. Just mind your own business and enjoy yourself and you will be fine.
+
+The only challenge with not having a park pass is sometimes you need one in your windshield if you car in order to park, so that might or might not be a issue depending on the park.
+--- 2560922
+>>2560838
+Walk faggot
+>>2560901
+I have never checked for a park camping permit, ever, because I just don’t fucking care. I have women co workers who do and at most you will be asked to pay it as long as you play dumb as if you didn’t know there was such a thing. 
+
+t. park ranja
+--- 2560927
+any good resources you guys would recommend for listing flora/fauna by city/state?
+right now I'm using inaturalist which seems good enough but if theres any better online resources I'd love to hear it. I also don't currently live in the city/state so local interest pamphlets are out.
+--- 2560930
+>>2560901
+If you're referring to the Desolation, they will absolutely inspect your bunghole if they see you on the trail, and they're out there.
+They are very zealous/ jealous of "their" terrain, for understandable reasons (dumbshit visitors) but they will be rude about it. 
+They have a thing for lurking in the bushes near your stated destination (required in the permit application) and then skulking up with a combo wheedling yet smarmy tone and demanding ze documentz. Practice saying, "Yahhh mina paperien sind in ordnung" with a sharp heel click.
+Protip: visit some less popular wilderness areas that don't charge a fee for the permit, they exist and are far lest traveled, and ranger Dick won't ruin your immersion in the wild with his meddling.
+--- 2561004
+>>2560775
+>bread
+as >>2560894 already mentioned, in germany bread is very different from the toast you have in the US. its not squishy at all.
+>oranges
+I like how they taste and they got vitamins. I'll take their weight.
+>wafers
+yeah they are wafers. In hingsight they were probably not that good an idea. I'll go with thme anyways cuz I've already bought them now.
+>>Nuts are top tier. Tons of calories 
+alright added them 
+>>Dried meats. Beef jerky, snack sticks, summer sausage
+I've got two of those salamis now, 
+>>Oatmeal is also top tier. Can never go wrong with instant oatmeal for on the trail
+I'll go with Pasta instead, they are just as much effort and taste thrice as good.
+>>Dry beans/rice/pasta. Lightweight things that can be turned into hearty meals by adding some water. Try products like those Knorr sides that add flavor to those things if you aren't much of a camp chef
+^^^^
+>>Freeze dried meals if you can afford them
+no
+>>Some candy can be a good idea for a quick energy bump. Not too much of this and avoid candy that will melt in the heat.
+them wafers and oranges.
+
+thanks for all the tips, I've integrated them in my meal plan now. 
+
+>>2560894
+ok 2k per day is now in the pic. I'll be going 4 days and that roghly 8.5k going from the values they showed on the packaging. 
+
+thanks for the help
+--- 2561031
+>>2561004
+Issue with the bread isn't just being squishy, it's also bulk. By definition bread has air pockets, even if it's not Burgerland bread that is soft and squishy it is still not as tough and compact as something like pita bread or tortillas. And it takes up more space than it should in your pack.
+
+Other than that good improvements. We only give you shit because we want to help you improve, get the fuck /out/ there and do shit and I hope you have a good time and gain some valuable experience.
+--- 2561033
+>>2560865
+What kind of mushrooms are you trying to grow? If you're trying to really intensively grow some mushrooms inside (and I can probably guess what kind of mushrooms you want), then use 2 to 1 vermiculite and brown rice flour. Use a steam bath or pressure cooker to sterilize the substrate before you try to colonize it. Remember that contamination doesn't target your desired mycelium, it targets uncolonized substrate, so keeping everything sterile before adding your spores is important.
+--- 2561043
+>>2561033
+Red wine caps, and I'm growing them outside.
+--- 2561053
+>>2561043
+Ok, I know nothing about growing mushrooms outside (and now you can probably guess what kind of mushrooms I want). The point I made earlier about the substrate still stands. If I were trying to do an outside grow of any mushrooms, I would start the same way, by sterilizing substrate and colonizing it with mycelium inside. Then, once it was fully colonized, I'd roll the colonized cakes in more substrate, and put them outside lightly covered in mulch or something. That gives your grow a head start even if you're not keeping it in a sterile environment the whole way like I do with my grows.
+--- 2561097
+Do you recommend getting a GPS? If so, which one do you guys recommend?
+--- 2561100
+>>2561097
+Not unless you need something better than what your phone can do. I got the app GPS Essentials for my phone which gives you coordinates and other specific data
+--- 2561110
+>>2561097
+i wouldnt bother with a gps unless you are doing some serious backcountry hiking, or youre wealthy enough to not care about money. the cheap garmins are kind of crap and are basically a digital compass to point you at a destination, the expensive ones are cool but also very expensive. your phone and a power bank is good enough imo
+--- 2561146
+>>2561097
+www2
+--- 2561147
+>>2559808
+cotton burns different
+--- 2561480
+My arms are pretty long. ~23 in or 59 cm. I'd like a light, packable jacket like the Patagonia Houdini for hiking and running. Which jacket is similar but tailored to lanklets?
+--- 2561546
+>>2560152
+>>2559839
+trying one last time, anyone?
+--- 2561585
+>>2559736
+No one cares about either of those things. We know you don’t hike so why are you even bothering?
+--- 2561624
+Can anyone recommend a good headlamp for night hiking?
+--- 2561654
+>>2552867
+thanks, will take it into account.
+--- 2561655
+>>2552946
+still here yes. its not this year, next probably.
+
+how do you think about a timing around now (end of march - april)?
+so far that seemed to me to be the best compromise.
+>tourism, prices, temperatures, accessibility
+--- 2561659
+>>2553849
+found a vid, great thanks. comes on the list
+--- 2561660
+>>2554295
+>If you go walking around the south west learn what cryptobiotic soil looks like and don't step on it.
+interesting, will remember that.
+--- 2561686
+>>2548761
+xander?
+https://youtu.be/hFvIZgVSeYU [Embed]
+--- 2562478
+>>2561546
+The last can I bought (I think in 2010) was Counter Assault. I never deployed it. Years before that I bought a can from a friend but I can't remember what brand. I sprayed a bunch into a shed and told my brother to quick come look lololol. Shit was cash. Now I just try like a motherfucker to not do stupid shit in griz country. So far so good, but I've got a few decades of experience to guide me.
+--- 2562769
+Anyone have experience with the Eureka Jade or Copper Canyon? They come recommended and have good reviews across the board, but they just don't look like they would handle rain well.
+--- 2562803
+Anyone know of any good camping near a lighthouse on the East coast?
+--- 2562980
+As a complete and utter beginner, it is at all possible to learn wilderness backpacking reasonably through online guides? I'm trying to find immersive paid lessons in my area, but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for. They either cover tangential topics I'm not interested in (i.e. guided kayaking trips), not wilderness backpacking itself, or seem to cover barer basics than I'd like (how to hike?). Or maybe I'm such a greenhorn that I don't understand what I'm looking for.
+
+Whatever the case, I'd rather not be on local news as the latest urban idiot trying to "get in touch with nature" to die by getting fucked up by an animal, treating water incorrectly, or otherwise inadvertent suicide from incompetence.
+
+The bottom line is, I have no idea how to get started, or "how to learn". This is a completely new skill to me, and I don't want to fuck it up. The goal is to try to eke out a full weekend solo trip and hike and camp around Killarney Provincial before the season's out. Learning how to bowhunt/fish/gather would be a huge bonus that I want to get started on as well.
+--- 2563038
+>>2562980
+>As a complete and utter beginner, it is at all possible to learn wilderness backpacking reasonably through online guides?
+yeah absolutely, thing is though most of the knowledge will come from experience anyways and video guides just forms the basis for that, the only course i would recommend you to take is a wilderness first aids course if you are planning long trips where you are far away from help
+it seems like most deaths happen due to complete negligence of safety and 0 brain usage anyways
+>I have no idea how to get started
+consider reading through some andrew skurka blogs, some good ones:
+https://andrewskurka.com/five-star-campsites-part-1-introduction/
+https://andrewskurka.com/backpacking-gear-list-template-checklist-3-season/
+https://andrewskurka.com/guyline-tension-system-backpacking-tents-tarps-hammocks/ (more for tarps than tents)
+also about learning how to use a compass this video is good but rei video so kind of gay but good knowledge
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cF0ovA3FtY [Embed]
+--- 2563054
+>>2562980
+what kind of online guides?
+if you mean youtube videos, no not really, you can learn some tricks here or there but whenever you watch that stuff you have to keep in mind 95% of the people on there are weekend warrior types who larp but don't speak from experience. if you don't trust me on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr2wJTcbJMQ [Embed] this boomer's spot on about it. there's some people out there who are exceptions and do know their shit and also happen to do youtube, DYOR on if they're actually someone worth noting or not. sadly, "survival" is a highly lucrative and trendy "entertainment" category right now... there's a lot of bullshittery to filter through.
+if by online guides you mean stuff like pdfs of books and field manuals and shit, by all means, yeah you can learn a ton.
+plebbit is a decent online resource. you get a lot of the most knowledgeable people in the world posting on there, but also a lot of retards because its reddit. its good for getting any localized info because its the biggest board. 
+anon already pointed you to skurka's blog. an example of an extremely knowledgeable redditor who's shit is worth reading. everything in other anon's post is good shit. long trips can also be made way safer by going with a buddy and/or bringing a rescue beacon. always have a loud whistle (storm, acme thunderer, hyperwhistle, fox40, etc) and a small signal mirror (i like the laminated paper kind you can throw in your wallet)
+--- 2563057
+cont.
+you're in a northern climate so you actually have real seasons and weather and stuff to worry about. gearfagging will matter more to you than the average anon. start with hiking when the weather's good. you don't have grizzlies or anything over there but there's a lot of black bears in your area so you'll want to learn what the "bear muda triangle" is and learn your local etiquitte/laws for what you need to do about bears+food before doing an overnighter. some areas just make you "pct hang" it, some places you need a canister, some places you can get away with a thick bear bag (ursak) and some you won't need anything.
+really anon the best way to learn is just go on small trips and build your comfort level, get used to your area, etc. no need to push yourself or anything. you don't actually need classes for anything unless/until you get into specialized stuff like idk mountaineering or climbing or diving or whatever. best teacher for survival's experience and there's one way to start getting it.
+--- 2563109
+>>2562980
+Start small. Lurk on gearfag threads and watch youtube videos until you have some idea, do some day hiking to make sure you're physically up to it, then plan a 2 day hike and camp with just a couple mile hike each way--but treat it as if you were on the fucking AT and try to do everything right. Learn from your mistakes, work out the kinks in your gear, get an idea of what physical shape you're in and gradually keep upping the distance and number of nights out.
+--- 2563225
+>>2560922
+holy shit I hate women so much it's unreal
+--- 2563227
+>>2561146
+they didn't have gps in ww2 dumbass
+--- 2563329
+>>2563038
+>>2563054
+>>2563109
+
+These are fantastic suggestions. Thanks so much for the detailed advice. Excited to get rolling.
+--- 2563438
+This is probably a better place to ask this question:
+Can I use cheap asics on multiday trails this summer? I carry about 30 pounds and its mostly forest trails, agriculture roads, some paved roads, there are multiple trails between 60 and 140 miles I want to walk.
+What would be the downsides?
+--- 2563447
+>>2562980
+Learn by doing short hikes during summer. Start small. You can't really learn much from other's experiences posted online unless you have your own experience to compare to. You will only end up spending money on things you don't need. Don't buy anything unless you know from experience that you need it.
+--- 2563448
+>>2563438
+yes you can just fine.
+when modern athletic shoes with rubber soles first hit the open market after world war 2 they pretty much replaced mountaineering and rock climbing footwear for a few decades.
+the main downsides:
+casual athletic type sneakers will have a cheaper outsole compound, just means less grip on wet algae covered rocks and stuff like that, but still suitable.
+the outsole won't have an /out/ oriented lug pattern or depth so they'll slip more than a proper trail shoe in mud. but again they'll still be fine. 
+you probably size your running shoes pretty close to your brannock measurement true to size. hiking shoes you do want sized a little big because long distances downhill after your feet have swollen a bit from hiking in a tts fitted shoe can fuck your toes up from bumping against the toe of the shoe on extended declines 'black toes' and lead to some toenail condition i forgot the name of. 
+and they'll have no rock plates but its becoming popular and trendy to sell trailrunners without them anyways.
+the 2 biggest reasons i'd say to even have dedicated shoes for (disclaimer: more casual) hiking purposes are:
+- wanting a different size than your normal shoes
+- not wanting to fuck your city shoes up, dedicated beater
+--- 2563450
+for a bit of evidence i'm too lazy to dig up their profiles but there's several people who have done PCT in $15 wal mart/costco athletic shoes the entire way, there's an anon on here who thru hikes in sandals, i'm actually thinking about doing the same because he was really convincing, and there's also a guy on reddit who did pct except the sierras and at in wal*mart fake crocs.
+shoes constructed like converse and vans used to un ironically be good rock climbing shoes not even too long ago.
+--- 2563462
+>>2563448
+>>2563450
+Interesting. I have ultra-light trailrunners already. But they were kinda expensive (altra lone peak) and I only use them for running trails a few times a week. I don't want to take those hiking because they are too soft and wobly with a pack.
+
+Would you take something like a solid running shoe (I had this Nike ten years ago) or a more solid hiking shoe like a Merrell Moab?
+--- 2563466
+>>2563462
+i personally do my day hiking in $20 running shoes or trail running shoes from costco. walmart's even better but i don't have one around me. 
+for the sole purpose of not wearing out expensive footwear on hikes i don't need anything remotely approaching it on.
+works gr8 for me. i see no problem with either way you go.
+--- 2563473
+>>2563466
+Makes sense. I try to do that too for daily walks but in this case I will be going for extended weekends 4 to 5 days a few times this summer. Do you still take cheap shoes for that?
+--- 2563491
+Can anyone redpill me on traditional leather boots and recommend how I can get some for cheap?
+
+I'm fed up with buying new boots every year. I'm willing to compromise on the qualities that make modern boots so good like light weight and shock absorption in exchange for some fucking longevity. Also I really like the idea of being able to repair your own boots by re-stitching leather, replacing soles and shit to keep them going for years and years, the self sufficiency thing really appeals to me. But most boots constructed like that that I can find are steel toe or way too heavy for hiking.
+
+Should I buy into the meme and just buy surplus army boots like pic related? I want to save money and I don't mind having to do some work on them when I buy them, it would be cool to learn the skill anyway. I still want them to be as light weight and hiking friendly as possible as long as they are simple construction and leather.
+--- 2563554
+How do I get an out related job with no relevant experience? I don't care if it's shitty (I know it will be)
+--- 2563633
+>>2563447
+Noted. Thanks for your input!
+--- 2563712
+What are these purple weeds/flowers? They recently appeared a year or two ago on my hill.
+--- 2563713
+>>2563712
+I think this is a new freshly grown batch.
+--- 2563718
+>>2555906
+Hardside hydration has a product called the swig rig, it is compatible with nalgene bottles. Pic rel
+--- 2563719
+>>2563554
+learn spanish
+--- 2563722
+>>2563491
+the feature you're looking for is a full leather midsole.
+> to keep them going for years and years, the self sufficiency thing really appeals to me.
+all boots are consumable items. with a resoleable boot you're not actually keeping the boot for years and years, only the upper half of the boot, the other half of the boot gets replaced at about the same frequency modern hiking boots wear out. so to set realistic expectations, the difference is you keep half the boot for about 3 to 6 resoles on average depending on the construction type and quality of the boot, before the entire thing eventually wears out. the leather flanges on the upper that have to be sewn to resole a boot are the limiting factor to the lifespan of the entire boot no matter how nice you keep the condition of the rest of the upper. each resole disintegrates it gradually, its not a whole lot of material. there's some ways to make a boot resoleable more times but it comes with compromises and you don't see it commonly.
+for the above reasons my redpill you can take or leave is that polyurethane non resoleable boots are the best compromise.
+they last anywhere from 1000-2000 miles. so at the worst they last longer than a full leather old school boot would before it needs a resole and at best about twice as long, which is conveniently about the same amount of miles as the upper lengths of most long distance hikes people do. meaning you can do basically any thru hike or multiple section hikes with a single pair. 
+they're infinitely less 
+>I'm willing to compromise on the qualities that make modern boots so good
+this, and your boots will weigh half as much, these aren't small compromises. but they last up to 4x as long as eva foam boots without a HUGE hit to comfort compared to them.
+if you do want all leather boots:
+workwear/logging and milsurp, that kind of boot isn't considered a hiking boot anymore.
+--- 2563723
+Is it worth putting weed mat at the bottom of my raised garden beds?
+--- 2563827
+>>2563722
+>you keep half the boot for 3 to 6 resoles
+As a poorfag with a prepping/survivalism fetish that sounds like a good deal to me. Remember that money is a big reason I am doing this, I assume the materials required to do a resole are pretty cheap relative to the cost of new boots? Assuming I can do the work myself which seems like a fun skill to learn desu. And as for the weight I can always switch to trail runners if I'm going on a very long hike, this would be more for general /out/survival shit and woods larping than serious high speed low drag backpacking.
+
+If I am going to go the leather route any tips on what to look for and what to avoid? It sounds like milsurp is my best bet, work boots always have steel toes nowadays and the military at least has some incentive to make boots that are light and good for hiking. The /k/ meme Austrian paratrooper boots are a little out of my budget for now but maybe I can find something similar.
+
+>polyurethane non resoleable boots are the best compromise
+Never heard of that, isn't that what they make rain and muck boots out of? Can you give me an example of what kind of polyurethane hiking boots you're talking about?
+--- 2563837
+>>2563719
+So landscaping
+--- 2563850
+>>2563827
+>Assuming I can do the work myself
+JFC anon this is obviously not going to be worth your time. Just buy surplus boots and be done with it.
+--- 2563865
+>>2563850
+But I'm an autistic /diy/ fag and I take a lot of pleasure from accumulating random skills. I watched some people re-soling old boots on Youtube and it didn't look that hard to do as long as you buy all the right types of glue and that cork paste shit you use to go between the sole and the bottom layer of leather.
+
+Besides, that would make the difference between whether this was a smart decision to make. If I'm going to burn through the milsurp boots just as fast as regular hiking boots then there's no point
+--- 2563932
+>>2563865
+In general you won't burn through soles any faster or slower with any option, and while replacing JUST the soles is cheaper, it comes with the ancillary costs of buying a high quality leather upper and learning to cobble shoes.
+The free market has given you an opportunity here. Take it, I implore you.
+--- 2563987
+>>2563723
+Depends on what's underneath it and how deep your soil is. Usually it's a waste of money.
+--- 2563989
+>>2563712
+Purple dead nettles. They're in the mint family and used for folk medicines or a snack.
+>>2563713
+The flowers are Grape Hyacinth.
+--- 2564186
+>>2563989
+>Purple dead nettles. They're in the mint family and used for folk medicines or a snack.
+I thought so, this is eastern Pennsylvania right near Philadelphia. I saw these pop up as the grass and other stuff has started to grow and I was rendering some tallow that I was considering turning into a candle. From what I read earlier this doesn't exactly emit a scent so that idea is scrubbed. I'm considering yanking a bunch of this up and tossing them into the field behind my house for the bees to have some interesting stuff to work on in a few years.
+--- 2564216
+Figured you guys would know better than /fa/ or some other place.
+What jacket reccs do you have for spending a few hours in 25-60 degree weather? I'm gonna be walking around the woods, construction sites or other places where snagging is pretty likely, and it'll be windy most times. I don't want it to seem giga tryhard though cause I'll have to show up at my (very casually dressed) office.
+--- 2564238
+>>2548806
+make a thread
+--- 2564265
+>>2564216
+To be desu, I just layer with whatever base layer top is handily laying on the floor, a tee shirt over that, a cheap fleece jacket (also from somewhere in the house but never hanging in the closet) and and old and leaky North Face gortex parka.
+--- 2564273
+>>2564216
+I agree with >>2564265, fleece liners are a fucking godsend. Pair a fleece liner with a jacket of harder material, denim or leather are good choices for construction sites and weight shouldn't be an issue for that use case. Plus that way when it's a 60 degree day you can ditch the fleece so you don't overheat.
+
+Gore-Tex is also a good choice though personally I'm more comfortable with denim or leather when I know I will be abusing it on a job site, I usually buy secondhand so I don't feel bad about destroying them
+--- 2564287
+>>2548304 (OP)
+Is the xmid a good tent or is it just a reddit meme tent?
+
+Need a tent for backpacking, and it seems to be a good price/weight ratio with no major drawbacks. It's hard finding out about gear when everything online is SEO ad spam these days.
+--- 2564301
+>>2564287
+It is a good tent, you'll be fine. Obligatory 'trekking pole tent' note, youd need poles, good stakes, appropriate terrain, and familiarity with pitching what is essentially a sharped tarp. Hit the field and practice.
+--- 2564337
+>>2564301
+Thanks. Bought the 1p since I only ever plan on going on weekend trips.
+
+I’ll practice in my backyard a few times so I don’t embarrass myself
+--- 2564339
+I paid $155 Canadian dollars for dachstein wool gloves only to be extremely disappointed. I wore them outside in -20c (-4f) and the cold went RIGHT through them.
+
+So what should I replace them with? What’s the warmest glove you’ve ever worn?
+--- 2564341
+>>2564339
+If you're out in -20c you should have some Black Daimond Goretex gloves or equivalant.
+--- 2564345
+>>2564287
+just get a cloudup 2. trekking pole tents fucking suck dick
+--- 2564350
+>>2564339
+Wool is not windproof. You need shellgloves that go over the wool. Over beaverfur gloves if you want to go natural down to -30F/C.
+--- 2564997
+I have severe arachniphobia. Whenever I sleep, I am paranoid there are spiders that will crawl into my hammock. 
+How do I calm the paranoia?
+--- 2565046
+>>2564997
+a bug net, acceptance
+--- 2565057
+>>2564997
+you will never get over a fear until you confront it head on, simple as that. go find a spider and become comfortable in its presence
+--- 2565099
+>>2548304 (OP)
+Can i burn wood in my gas fireplace?
+--- 2565101
+>>2564216
+a polartec 100/200 weight or grid or high pile fleece, maybe one warm one less warm one since theyre $20 and thats such a big range.
+then whatever shell over top to handle the wind and abrasion. 
+fleece is what you want for this but it doesn't protect you from wind. you can get a basic one for like $10-20 and maybe like $100 tops for the super fancy kind with a hood armpit zips etc. milsurp ecwcs high pile ones are a good cheapo warm one.
+--- 2565117
+i'm scared of going /out/
+what if i forget to bring something? what if i carry too much shit? what if i run out of water or fall down a ditch?
+
+how to cope with /out/ related anxiety? i'm not very social so groups are out of the question
+--- 2565130
+>>2548304 (OP)
+how do hermits manage to survive in the wilderness alone for years?
+--- 2565141
+>>2565117
+>what if i forget to bring something
+i used to forget things a lot and i like to wake up very early for trips. now i keep all my gear at home in organizer bins and then organized within them by stuff sack. i don't use the stuff sacks when i'm on my trips, i just empty them out in the backpack, they're just to organize at home. i pack my bag the day before when i'm wide awake. anything that doesn't go in the pack like phone keys etc i write down on a list for the morning of. 
+>what if i carry too much shit? what if i run out of water or fall down a ditch?
+start off with easier hikes where these things won't matter till you build enough knowledge and experience where those things won't matter/happen.
+too much shit? experience to help you plan better next time.
+water? start learning how to find and identify water sources in your area. filter some of your own water on a dayhike. get used to looking for it slash planning where potential water sources are when you're doing your trip planning at home before. then you'll have a sense for it when it matters.
+fall down a ditch? i can get hit by a car any time i cross the street too. shrug.
+--- 2565158
+>>2557335
+XGK EX is a snow melting, water boiling stove only. Its plastic pump feels like junk too. I had one. 
+
+Look at Primus Optifuel or Optimus Polaris. My Optimus replaced my XGK. It’s a little heavier, but I like it better all round.
+--- 2565190
+>>2565130
+they dont, its a larp.
+--- 2565194
+>>2565158
+I bought an XGK EX, it ended up being the cheapest out of everything because there was a discount. I'll try it out and see how it goes. If nothing else I can make soup.. But I can often use campfires to cook on too
+--- 2565202
+>>2555285
+>>2555297
+What do you use to wash your merino wool? I have Grangers but it's expensive and only seems to be available on Amazon.
+--- 2565215
+>>2565202
+i just throw it in the washing machine with all my other clothes
+--- 2565299
+>>2558454
+Bugs suck. The humidity is also killer in the summer.
+--- 2565303
+>>2558454
+Chiggers, ticks, scabies, poison ivy/oak/sumac, you name it.
+--- 2565310
+Do you prefer using a water bladder or a bottle? I've always just used a nalgene for day hikes but the bladders seem neat, not sure what brands are good though.
+--- 2565316
+>>2565310
+bottles all day.
+--- 2565320
+>>2565202
+dr bronners unscented soap (just the normal kind, or anything like it) or some woolite extra dark. i hand wash all my wool in a bucket for longevity but cold+no spin cycle is fine too.
+these instructions are fine for all wools not just merino.
+99.5% of merino wool can be washed like your normal clothes with no special care. they strip the lanolin out of the wool and coat it with a resin when the textile is produced to make it machine washable. no special care needed unlike other wools. but i would avoid the spin cycle like any other delicate item. 
+>>2565310
+i used to, but now i use bottles with those modified caps that let you use a whip hose with them.
+smartwater/dasani most of the time, nalgene in the winter.
+buuuut i still like bladders when i'm day hiking or when i'm somewhere like a desert carrying high volumes. i use platypus ones. being easy to fill and clean are the features you want to look for. you might also want to plan around being able to hang your bladder in a tree so you can gravity filter. its convenient as fuck and if you make a diy kit it can be only a few grams.
+--- 2565582
+I kinda want to try the toe shoe meme, but I don't know the difference between all these models. Which kind should I get? I'm not a runner, it would be for day hiking and light backpacking in the woods, lots of granite and hills in my area
+--- 2565583
+>>2565582
+forgot pic
+--- 2565598
+suggestions for rough, durable yet flexible /out/ pants?
+--- 2565601
+>>2565598
+they don't exist anymore because they are not as profitable. People want pants that break after a year.
+--- 2565632
+>>2565598
+chinos
+--- 2565692
+Can someone recommend/link me a camping pot with the following attributes:
+>less than 3lbs
+>about 1.2 liters and 8in diameter (wide enough to cook in, but deep enough to boil water)
+>has a lip/spout
+>has an attached lid that snaps into position (whether open or closed)
+>has a folding side handle (to hold it like a pan)
+>has top handle (to hang it over fire)
+I would have thought that all of this was pretty much common sense, but I can’t seem to find any one pot that has it all. The closest I’ve found is my image, but the lip on that is welded on, which is not ideal, I’d rather the whole pot just be one piece, and the lid is not attached to the pot, it’s loose.
+--- 2565757
+Does anyone know how to get black needlerush out of the skin easily?
+--- 2565961
+I'm running out of places to dump oil in my yard. Is it cool if I dump it down the storm drain?
+--- 2565995
+>>2565961
+This is bait.
+--- 2566001
+>>2565961
+I just dump mine next to the neighbors property line
+--- 2566039
+should i hike with my desert combat boots or running shoes?
+--- 2566064
+>>2566039
+Where?
+--- 2566105
+>>2565757
+forceps, small
+$5 at any fly fishing shop or online
+the most useful tool you never knew you needed
+--- 2566184
+I want to go hiking this weekend, but I haven't been /out/ since last fall. Have there been any new developments I need to be aware of?
+Thanks
+--- 2566197
+>>2566184
+Water's been nerfed since the last update. The minimum per diem is now twenty litres.
+--- 2566226
+>>2566064
+utah/colorado in may. im from ontario and i've really only done fair weather stuff so its was fine with any shoes if i wasn't going too far. i will only be doing day hikes, but i still don't want to overpack
+--- 2566464
+>>2566226
+It was 80 degrees in the lower elevations in southern Utah today, and it'll hit the 90s in early May. Conversely, the snow in the higher elevations in northern Utah and Colorado will still be five feet deep in May. There's a lot of in between so pack for elevation and terrain.
+--- 2566614
+Why aren´t high power laser pointers used for emergency signalling?
+They are smaller than most flashlights, and you can start fires with them, and theoretically blind animals too.
+
+Don´t they make a great emergency tool?
+--- 2566955
+>>2566614
+>Please help me search and rescue
+>blinds the pilot
+--- 2567035
+>>2566955
+>blinds the pilot
+Ok, let me rephrase it then.
+Do they make a great emergency too, unless you´re a complete fucking retard?
+--- 2567788
+>>2566614
+>Emergency signalling
+Requires specific atmospherics to be visible and useful, causes eye hazard to rescuers
+>Smaller than most flashlights
+Fuck off with your gay vagina feet copypasta
+>Start fires with them
+It's got to be "rub a stick on some doritos" tier fire tech desu
+>theoretically blind animals
+Theoretically chew on my ballsnot
+--- 2567831
+>>2566955
+>>2567788
+This board is fucking dead, holy shit.
+--- 2567843
+>>2567831
+Post stupid question, get brutally direct wisdom.
+--- 2567863
+>>2566614
+>emergency signaling
+Yeah, if there's fog or rain to create a light beam. Other than that it's useless, if you do manage to flash a plane with it (doubtful you could aim it that well), they'll just see a bright momentary blink, think "fucking kids" and fly on.
+>you can start fires with them
+You can start fires with a lighter or hurricane matches
+>fend off animals
+You can use bear spray, a stick, or a gun
+
+It's not good enough at any of those use cases to justify carrying it. Besides, high power lasers use a lot of power, so you either have a fuck heavy one, or you have like 2 minutes of battery. Either way it is not worth carrying. I see why you would think that initially, but really if you had a signal mirror, a Bic lighter and a Ruger LCP, you'd have all that functionality you mentioned, 10x better than a laser could do it, lasting for way more uses, and probably weighing less.
+--- 2568133
+>>2566197
+Thanks, you were right
+Totally unbalanced now bullshit
+--- 2568195
+Does anyone know if there's a way to read or download the Backpacking Light articles for free ? The membership is quite expensive.
+--- 2568540
+best place to buy piolets online?

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+-----
+--- 2548328
+Any anons /homeless/ here?
+
+Graduating uni soon and I'm thinking of living out of a 4runner for a little bit to save money while I work a full-time job (Taking as much OT as possible). Rents are just too high and RE is too expensive. Thinking of picking Washington as there is no income tax and COL is high, meaning wages must also be high. I could also kit out a trailer into a nice little office, which I can store in a storage unit during the week. Every weekend, I could take the trailer out and go innawoods.
+--- 2548329
+>>2548328 (OP)
+I plan to get a remote job when I finish my current degree and just live out of a van.
+--- 2548330
+>>2548329
+Why not get a pickup truck w/ a camper? Less stealthy, but who cares.
+--- 2548335
+>>2548330
+Idk I just like the idea of a van.
+--- 2548355
+>>2548328 (OP)
+Jackson, Wyoming is pretty accepting of this culture. Streets are filled with Van Dwellers and plenty of dispersed camping areas. Pretty easy to make 6 figures working in a restaurant too.
+--- 2548359
+>>2548328 (OP)
+We should only have to live in cars for a little longer. The RE market is about to get hit with a major shake-up, which will hopefully make housing affordable. The trick will be to swoop in and get yourself a home before Blackrock and other speculators snap them all up.
+--- 2548363
+homelessness isn't /out/ related, i hope you drug addicted faggots get stabbed in the street
+--- 2548385
+>>2548328 (OP)
+>Thinking of picking Washington
+Please don't come here. I hate you mother fuckers, and I say this as an RV dweller who pays lot rent wherever I go. Finding a space to rent with hookups and usually internet can be done in most states for around 450 a month if you're fine living in the sticks.
+--- 2548398
+>>2548355
+I'm getting a STEM degree, so I should be able to make $70k+/yr starting.
+--- 2548407
+>>2548398
+That's what you think.
+The market is saturated.
+--- 2548419
+>>2548407
+No, he's right. He will start at $70,000/y. 
+His rent will cost him $24,000 per year. 
+His car will probably cost him another $6,000 a year between the loan, the maintenance (he won't do it himself) and the insurance. 
+
+He is now down to $40,000 per year, for just his apartment and his car.
+Before taxes.
+
+And don't forget that he won't be promoted. He's going to be stuck at that $70,000/y for awhile.
+--- 2548424
+>>2548419
+You forgot my taxes, student loans, and onlyfans sub.
+--- 2548440
+If you see a van with out of state plates and someone living inside it, do the world on favor and set them on fire.
+--- 2548447
+>>2548440
+Kek someone did this to a homeless guy that was living in his car in a grocery store parking lot near me.
+--- 2548450
+>>2548447
+
+what kind of car?
+--- 2548464
+>>2548450
+It was a green imported shitbox. It was completely torched by the time they were done with it. The guy disappeared after that.
+--- 2548493
+>>2548328 (OP)
+I lived out of an rv for a couple years. Its a pain unless it can coexist with your work; and even then its kind of a catch 22 because you have to stay local for work. House is way better.
+--- 2548502
+>>2548335
+I encourage other anon’s idea of a truck w/camper shell. Tacoma with a shell can take you anywhere, overlanding even, lasts forever, and you can seperate your driving/sleeping space. More cargo potential when you pull a trailer too.
+--- 2548517
+>>2548447
+based, I'm about to have to do it to some homeless faggot that keeps his car at a local park smoking weed and drinking all day. my sister won't let me take my niece and nephew there now because it reeks of weed and booze.
+--- 2548519
+>>2548440
+>out of state plates 
+Why be so picky. Van-homeless are a scourge regardless, shitting up nice rural areas because they can’t function as normal human beings.
+--- 2548537
+>>2548355
+>make 6 figures working in a restaurant
+--- 2548540
+>>2548537
+>"Yeah anon it is not hard to make $9,999.00 waiting tables in Wyoming. Easy six figures"
+>"What do you mean 'cents don't count'?"
+--- 2548552
+>>2548328 (OP)
+Do it, rents a scam. Washington is great for it, tons of national forests & great job opportunities. Bellevue/Seattle is like a hour away from national forests. As a software engineer working remote, I can save 95% of my paychecks while living a great lifestyle.
+
+>>2548330
+I ran this set up for a while with a truck canopy w/ camping setup in the back. Worked good until mold. Will rebuild it once the rain stops & I can properly seal everything.
+--- 2548613
+Don't get killed by some random nigger anon that would be a huge disgrace by the way good luck
+--- 2548617
+>>2548385
+That 450 probably doesn't include electric. 
+
+Don't try truck/van living unless you're content with having nearly nothing and very little to work with. It's probably only an upgrade to people living on the cold streets.
+--- 2548627
+>>2548617
+>That 450 probably doesn't include electric. 
+You can get water and electric included in a lot places if you're ok with living in the sticks or having a some white trash neighbors. As long as you don't run a space heater you shouldn't spend much in electricity
+--- 2548639
+>>2548552
+I'm on the fence between getting truck w/ a camper or any towing-capable vehicle + a trailer that I convert into a living space. I bet I could reach out to locals in the area who would like to earn a little extra money every month to allow me to park my set up on their property, this would eliminate the need for such a compact build and stress of finding a place to sleep.
+--- 2548789
+>>2548328 (OP)
+Suuuup
+--- 2548804
+>>2548328 (OP)
+I have no pity for people who live like this in America. Holy fuck, move someplace you can afford to live. And when you do, adjust your voting habits accordingly.
+--- 2548817
+>>2548804
+You mean vote liberal?
+--- 2548833
+>>2548817
+>vote for the people who fucked up your home state 
+I expect nothing less.
+--- 2548854
+>>2548833
+I thought California was a paradise tho
+--- 2548864
+>>2548854
+Yeah it's a Hellraiser type of paradise
+--- 2548871
+>>2548363
+>homelessness isn't /out/ related
+yes it is lol, go cry somewhere else, or make yet another thread about gay plastic tents or backpacks or whatever shit you goy consoomers are gonna buy next. Fucking cringe.
+Imagine being such a loser that even homeless people are cooler than you. Fuck your life nigger lmao
+--- 2548892
+>>2548854
+It is paradise, arguably the best state in the nation for all outdoors recreational activities. Unfortunately it has been utterly and completely ruined by the people who live there. Further, now that they have ruined their home state they flee to other states, behave the same way, and ruin them too. 
+>tfw saw a car with cali plates with a Beto (for Gov) sticker in it
+--- 2548907
+>>2548328 (OP)
+Fuckin go for it.
+Been living out of a medium-sized van for about 3 months. I started for the same reason as you; rent too high. 
+I have enjoyed it quite a bit, and it has allowed me to travel cheaply. It has some downsides that need to be managed.
+
+The main one is food. Unless you have a freezer in your van, running off you battery, you probably don't have a way to store real food longterm. I won't eat ze bugs nor the hydrogenated seed slop. I got around this by storing a freezer of meat where I work and converting the lion's share of my diet to coffee made with powdered milk, freeze-dried coffee, and sugar. This food has sustained me, and even allowed me to gain lean muscle while I bulk, however, it's not a rich diet. It's critical that you know what vitamins you need and supplement them. For me, some raw liver once a month and a few other niche vitamins covers my basis. 
+
+You've probably already heard it, but get an Anytime Fitness membership. Mine is 40$ a month and I have access to a shower, a toilet, a place to park, and a gym that I use regularly. Every major city has at least one.
+
+Get something that is easy to obscure the insides. You're not always going to have a campsite nearby. Sometimes it's late and you need to park somewhere in the city. If no one can see inside the van, then they will just assume it's parked overnight like all the other cars. I have slept in random parking lots for 3 months and have yet to have anyone give me trouble. All of my windows haver coverings so when you look at it fro the exterior it just looks like there are super dark. 
+
+I can't imagine doing this without a remote job. It's possible, but being anchored to one spot kind of defeats the purpose. That said, you gotta do what you gotta do. 
+
+Good luck anon. Van life is what you make of it. (Ignore the influencers, you can convert a van for cheap if you not a spoiled ass white girl)
+--- 2548912
+>>2548892
+>there were californians on the phone near me in the parking lot telling their california friends to come here
+
+I say when civil war 2 hits we all go for californians first and then fight it out after
+--- 2548919
+>>2548907
+This. Also did this in silicone valley for 2 years before moving to Hawaii. Saved a bunch of money from my 90k tech job and now I'm sitting pretty, working on a catamaran, fucking cute surfer girls. 
+
+Couple rules:
+
+Don't park next to druggy rv's
+Don't cook inside the van or hangout outside the van before you sleep. Always arrive, sleep, and leave.
+Most tech companies have showers and employee fridges. Eat prepped food until you get a job at a place, then use their shit
+ Don't get the cooler or fridge. Not worth.
+Get rid of cotton socks and underwear. Buy all merino. Doesn't smell and can be washed with just water in a pinch. Smelly stuff ruins the small interior space that is your home. Also another reason not to cook. Cooking grease in your bed room is a bad idea.
+When it's hot, find higher altitudes with a breeze. Open the street side window. 
+Use Google maps to find 2-4 spots ideally in neighborhoods and save them. Rotate your sleeping there so ppl don't trip about it.
+
+Have fun. I've witnessed the funniest and weirdest shit living in a van. Weirdest thing was some couple fucked up against my van one night. Though they were breaking in. Looked out and just see two ppl making out hardcore. Laughed, went back to sleep and they left, none the wiser.
+
+Get that money.
+
+Pic is my work place now.
+--- 2548934
+>>2548907
+>>2548919
+I literally cannot comprehend why people put up with this dystopian shit. 
+
+You know there is a whole continent sized country right? And like every major city has jobs for tech? Holy shit, pack your shit and go to Houston or New Orleans and write code for the oil and gas guys. Go to Florida or Georgia and write code for startups. Go to any sunbelt state and write code for Lockheed or Raytheon. 
+
+On second thought. Stay in California.
+--- 2548938
+>>2548912
+California has an air force and a navy.
+--- 2548966
+>>2548938
+They'll sell them soon to fund reparations
+--- 2548975
+>>2548938
+California also controls most of the import export for the United States. Not to mention most of the farming for the entire country. You can larp all you want but let's not forget why the South lost the first time around. Thin supply lines and lack of manufacturing regardless of the amount of guns. This will be the downfall always.
+--- 2548984
+>>2548934
+Cope and seethe that he lives a more exciting life than you
+--- 2548992
+>>2548938
+What navy? The one that they turned over to Washington because they didn't like the huge naval presence in the Bay?
+--- 2548999
+>>2548984
+Yes, the much vaunted and desired life of a homeless person.
+--- 2549001
+>>2548975
+I dont think you understand. Per the agreement just formalized with my Yankee friend, we first make California howl, and then we do a re-run of the last war.
+--- 2549030
+>>2548907
+>>2548919
+Yeah, I think most companies I am applying for have gyms onsite. There is also an expectation of working OT, I'll take as much as I can get just to get ahead/not be in my vehicle. I think working a shit ton of OT will also put me on the fast-track to promotions too. 
+
+I think I'm going to do it, better to struggle for one year than to struggle for 10 years. I'll spend most of my weekday working. Pick up a trailer from storage on weekends, which will have a lot more amenities and a laundry machine. I'll take it out to a campsite over the weekend, play vidya, cook/meal prep, and repeat. Maybe I'll enjoy it so much I just keep doing it.
+--- 2549212
+>>2548871
+>so mad about being poor your reply to a day old post
+lol, lmao even. maybe if you weren't a retarded drug addict you could afford to live hahahaha
+--- 2549217
+>>2548328 (OP)
+working in-person in any sort of population center is tough if you're living out of a 4runner. if you're remote and don't have to do a ton of calls, then you're golden.
+--- 2549342
+>>2548330
+ignore this fucking child...why not just get a job and apartment? lol why live in a fucking car.. Rather than nut up and get employed after doing fuck all in undergrad he is now planning to be homeless rather try to apply himself
+--- 2549345
+>>2549342
+OK Boomer
+--- 2549438
+>>2549342
+Living in a truck is fun & renting is a scam.
+--- 2549439
+>>2549342
+>explicitly states plan to work full time
+>Rather than nut up and get employed
+
+this poster is either shitposting or too stupid to read. either way, not worthy of attention
+--- 2549448
+>>2549439
+>employed and homeless
+why choose the worst of both worlds?
+--- 2549449
+Lots of butthurt wages and rentcucks in this thread
+--- 2549504
+>>2549217
+>if you're remote and don't have to do a ton of calls, then you're golden.
+If you're remote, you should move someplace you can at least afford to rent. Holy fuck. The utter degeneracy, the complete lack of self respect.
+--- 2549505
+>>2549438
+renting is a viable economic strategy provided its not permanent. When I finished law school, despite an excellent salary, there was a lag time where I simply did not have the means of buying a house. So I rented for 18 months while I built up my finances. 
+
+Alternatively, there is someone in my office who got seconded for a trial. She will be here for like a year or two, no sense in her buying a house. 
+
+>>2549449
+peak poverty cope
+--- 2549512
+>>2549505
+OK Boomer
+--- 2549514
+>>2549512
+I was born in 1993. 
+>okay boomer
+Translation: I am financially illiterate and blame my shortcomings on others 
+
+Show yourself some fucking respect.
+--- 2549516
+>>2549514
+Oy vey you're old for 4chan and to be talking about self respect. Keep pushing that rent meme. Maybe if you believe it hard enough it'll make you feel better.
+--- 2549519
+>>2549516
+>29 
+>too old for the slowest tamest hobby orientated board on 4chinz
+'kay 
+
+>rent meme 
+Its not a meme if you are financially literate. If you cant afford the basics of a 21'st century human. Either leverage your skills to earn better money, or move someplace you can afford to live. Simple as.
+--- 2549959
+>>2549505
+Shit is not sustainable for a majority. It's a flawed system I refused to contribute into. You say "provided its not permanent" which is true, but there is a growing number of people where it is permanent since it's increasingly hard to escape out of. 
+
+I'm assuming you live in a place that makes it reasonable to purchase a home under 200k. OP posted about Washington, which at the bare minimum is 500k for anything worth actually buying. Living in a cozy truck is better than forfeiting 1.5k a month for rent as I posted in >>2548552 . If you have no means of getting a decent job/salary/education or just wanna save money faster, alternative living is great.
+--- 2549961
+>>2549505
+nobody is going to pay your mortgage anymore shlomo. the goyim know.
+--- 2549982
+>mfw 2 bedroom house on half-acre surrounded by trees and only a 10 minute ride to work
+>$600/month
+Just make more money. 
+It's that easy.
+--- 2550057
+>>2548419
+
+No, unless he is mechanical engineering or computer science he most definitely will not make that kind of money starting. With a 4 year degree in literally anything else in stem except maybe EE he'll make $45 - $50k starting. If you make the mistake of BioE like I did you can expect to be homeless anyway. What are you a fuckin college recruiter?
+--- 2550084
+>>2549212
+you just did the same thing nigger stay mad lmao, also your projection is visible from space, or are you just a dumb redneck?
+>hurr durr he must be homeless himself
+ok retard
+--- 2550086
+>>2548328 (OP)
+I feel like all the people in this thread bitching about living in a van/truck/etc. don't spend much time /out/.
+
+I am already spending every weekend sleeping at trailheads in and/or sleeping in my tent while on trails. I hate going back to my apartment (which isn't a bad apartment) and having to go into work during the week. I would love to work remotely and just be able to spend all my time driving around the country to different trails.
+--- 2550132
+>>2549959
+>I'm assuming you live in a place that makes it reasonable to purchase a home under 200k. OP posted about Washington, which at the bare minimum is 500k for anything worth actually buying. Living in a cozy truck is better than forfeiting 1.5k a month for rent as I posted in >>2548552 . If you have no means of getting a decent job/salary/education or just wanna save money faster, alternative living is great.
+Move. 
+
+>>2549961
+>le based trad conservative living as a vagrant
+--- 2550135
+>>2548328 (OP)
+fuck off we're full
+kill yourself tourist
+the other homeless here will eat you alive
+--- 2550137
+>>2550132
+>Move
+This is /out/ and you are telling someone to leave the best /out/ state in the lower 48.
+--- 2550183
+>>2550137
+Yes. I am telling you that your financial future is more important than the ability to hike a nice trail on the w/end. 
+
+You dont even have to leave the state. Anon, claims to be able to work remote. Nothing stopping him going to a small town and working from there. Hell, a rural local would surely provide more /out/ opportunities than an urban one?
+--- 2550278
+>>2549342
+>apply yourself to being a wagie
+have fun, retard.
+--- 2550289
+>>2550183
+>Anon, claims to be able to work remote. Nothing stopping him going to a small town and working from there.
+Internet access might. Plenty of small towns out there have shit internet. I'm not reading 66 replies to see if he needs high up/down speeds, but if he's video conferencing or uploading large files then he'll want decent speeds.
+--- 2550319
+>>2548552
+Get a chinese diesel heater bro. Mold because propane creates moisture. Get a vent fan too
+--- 2550322
+>>2550183
+>Yes. I am telling you that your financial future is more important than the ability to hike a nice trail on the w/end.
+
+
+Financial future is irrelevant. If I made 100k/yr in a remote job, I would still live in a van.
+--- 2550323
+>>2550289
+Starlink exists for this reason alone. It’s a godsend for us rural chads.
+--- 2550325
+>>2550319
+Yea, that's the plan. I'm not entirely concerned about the moisture from propane, since I run it with the back open. But I never knew it created moisture, so thanks for letting me know!
+The mold problem was mostly from me being a dumbass in a few ways... Parked on a hill for a few weeks... Left curtains down... A few new leaks from the rare PNW snow....... 
+But live and learn I suppose. It's only like 30$ worth of wood and I dissembled everything to save all the hardware. So over-all not a big loss. Great opportunity to build it better :D!
+--- 2550327
+>>2550322
+Haha for-real, last year I netted ~170k while still living in my truck over the summer. Can't wait to rebuild and get back to it.
+Those were some of the happiest days I've experienced.
+--- 2550341
+>>2550323
+No. Starlink is extremely variable w/ speeds. At my cabin it's not good enough to support zoom calls. At best I can watch 240p Youtube, at worst I cant load pages.
+--- 2550344
+>>2550341
+I have no idea how that’s happening for you, but I’d wager you have some obstructions… or massive congestion?
+Here (lane county OR) it’s been virtually flawless. 4K streaming works perfectly, typical throughput is ~170MB/s down 15MB/s up, with roughly 25ms latency.
+
+Coming from viasat as well as cellular, there is no comparison.
+--- 2550423
+>>2550322
+I dont dispute that you're an idiot.
+--- 2550475
+>>2550423
+Unless you are raising a family, I see absolutely no reason to lock yourself to one place when you could live in a nice van and be anywhere you feel like at any time.
+--- 2550483
+>>2550475
+Its an asset that insulates your wealth against inflation and taxation. If you dont want to live in it, rent it out.
+--- 2550492
+>>2550341
+>>2550344
+Not sure if you guys are trolling or what but starlink isn't released to the public yet.
+--- 2550493
+>>2550483
+holy shit this dumbass missed the entire point of the thread omegalul
+--- 2550497
+>>2550492
+Closed beta/Limited users. You can put your email on the site and get early access
+--- 2550499
+>>2550057
+nta but i studied forestry in school, and currently get paid $50/hr
+--- 2550501
+>>2550499
+Kek nobody with a forestry degree makes $50/h. If you would've said a meme degree like marketing I would've believed you.
+--- 2550502
+>>2550501
+graduated with honours from a CalPoly, got a B.Sc. in forestry w/ a minor in GIS
+pay is $36.5/hr + 25% bonus for health and wellness + $50 per diem.
+i make just under $2100/week pre tax, takehome is just over $1500/week after everything is taken out
+i'm sorry you got a degree in something and didnt pivot to something profitable in your industry, but forestry pays dumbfuck money if you are competent
+--- 2550504
+>>2550502
+>pay is $36.5/hr
+>$50/hr 
+Which is it?
+--- 2550505
+>>2550500
+Cope and seeth. 250k is the new 100k. You can piss and moan about society while still taking part in it.
+--- 2550506
+>>2550504
+$36.5/hr * 1.25 = $46/hr
+$50 per diem / 8 hours = $6.25/hr
+$46 + $6.25 = $52.25/hr
+so i guess i was wrong, i make more than $50/hr
+--- 2550507
+>>2550500
+easy to spend money quickly when you always get more; many people who come into money end up penniless soon afterwards due to poor financial planning
+--- 2550522
+>>2550502
+do u work for esri
+--- 2550543
+>>2550506
+
+Uh huh, just know that most people with decent grades in soft STEM degrees don't get government jobs thrown at their holes as soon as they graduate, appreciate that you experiencing the STEM field on easy mode. No go forth, and cry about the gender wage gap no further.
+--- 2550681
+>>2550543
+literally just joined the local union to look at plants growing near powerlines lmao, there are like 50 other dumbfucks doing the exact same thing in this city alone
+>apply for job
+>next day HR calls and says they will forward my app
+>day after manager calls and offers me a job
+it’s really just that easy
+--- 2550748
+>>2550505
+Very cringe. 
+
+>>2550500
+The thread derailed because right at the start the only valid answer was given
+>fucking move to someplace you can afford to live 
+And that resulted in the ocean of cope 
+>no no no I am actually well to do I merely choose to live like a vagrant 
+
+>>2550507
+This, in a big way.
+--- 2550830
+>>2548328 (OP)
+imitate only the best op
+--- 2550848
+>>2550500
+Larp, as always.
+--- 2550891
+Any Europeans doing this? I want to buy a van and build into temporary residence to climb and travel for maybe one or two months max at a time.
+>>2550830
+This guy's face is the stereotypical bum alcoholic face. If you'd see him in the street, even well dressed, you'd wonder if he's an alcoholic bum.
+--- 2550913
+>>2550522
+no, though i use the ESRI suite of GIS products
+i work for the powerline union
+--- 2550920
+>>2550748
+>>fucking move to someplace you can afford to live
+Not whoever you're arguing with, but the answer to that is always
+>No, I like it here
+Van life is not all that bad when you're still young and make decent salary. I never really understand why do these threads always get desperate losers saying what can be basically surmised as 'Stop enjoying things I don't like'.
+>>2550500
+Same reason why some choose to live in countries with lower cost of living but first world salaries w/ remote work or businesses.
+--- 2550997
+>>2550920
+i own a camper van, not some ghetto converted panel van and ive tried to vanlife it in BC. 
+
+vanlife is really annoying now due to A) gas prices B) cities cracking down hardcore on people living in vehicles. its not really a viable strategy to avoid paying the rental jew since youll be burning a similar amount every month on car repairs,cost to move around, getting decent data plans to actually exist in modern society, gym membership, increased spending on food due to limitations in cooking/refrigeration. also crackheads are relentless now. 
+
+its really fucking gay trying to live in a major population center in a van and trying to hold down a real job(i.e. a job that makes you be presentable irl). Its just too difficult to spin the plates of modern wagey life while you dont have a toilet and a shower. it can work if you live somewhere that has zero accommodations but a strong demand for jobs(aka vacation towns) but still allows people to live in town in a van, these are rare now though.
+
+Its only really viable as a way to see large swathes of your countries outdoors for cheap and take long vacation that you can skirt the parts of america that arent an apocalyptic wasteland. its not a viable way out of the wage cage unless can seriously get creative with a remote job
+--- 2551025
+>>2548355
+Actually we’re getting pretty tired of these hobos in Wyoming. Fuck off.
+--- 2551063
+>>2550891
+are you a teenage girl or something?
+>muh alcoholic bums
+you sound like you just have to ask your parents to buy you a van lol
+--- 2551072
+>>2551063
+Why are you upset, do you look like him? Most homeless have specific faces. You can tell a lot by a man by his face.
+--- 2551079
+>>2550997
+Emphasis on the crackhead part. You're going to get shit from normies but you're also easy prey for drug addicts and other scumbags. It sucks because the few places that'd be perfect for van/camper life is riddled with them.
+--- 2551277
+>>2548328 (OP)
+Just move somewhere affordable 
+It's not hard.
+--- 2551282
+>>2551277
+Somewhere affordable doesn't give the same employment possibilities. Some professionals can't just move to a random medium sized town and expected a career out there. Especially when starting off. Most careers that require living in expensive places start out hard due to several barriers of entry and not making that much for the area initially, but it pays off even three years later when you can leverage a better salary. It's insanity telling people to forget their careers and not to look for alternative ways to live. Obviously you can't live in a van forever and I don't think anyone is recommending this in a serious capacity. The economic reality is that to be competitive and to have a real career you MUST live in places you can't ordinarily afford or will struggle to make meets end. You will STRUGGLE because there is competition. It's idiotic to suggest leaving that behind and fucking off into some irrelevant backwater when that doesn't work for almost all career paths. Maybe if you want to work in a very niche outdoors job that lets you live in some rural location with good salary this is good advice, but in most cases it is like a kid trying to advise grown up men.
+>>2550997
+Living in a camper van makes it very obvious you're there to sleep in that camper. Regular vans and cars will attract suspicion, but there's some benefit of doubt that a camper van will simply not have. If you're in one there's no doubt why you're camping out in random places. If it is just a van, you can get away with a lot more.
+--- 2551288
+>>2551282
+I live in small town louisiana making 45k/year in a house that costs $600/m in rent
+If you can't find happiness with $1000-1300 disposable income, joining the rat race in an overpopulated city isn't going to help.
+Unironically: Let me guess, you "need" more?
+--- 2551304
+>>2551288
+It's not purely about income, like I said most fields of work simply require you to exist in a very expensive area.
+--- 2551309
+>>2551304
+Very few, if any anon. 
+There's good work everywhere.
+--- 2551312
+>>2551309
+There might be, but someone who studied, invested time and money into a specific field to study something is just not going to randomly get a job being a roofer in some small Louisiana town, even if it the income and what they can put aside is not all that bad.
+--- 2551315
+>>2551312
+>invest time
+>invest money
+You barely studied in college and you paid for it with other people's money.
+C'mon anon, do you have some sort of identify you're trying to form?
+Be happy anon. That's all there is to it. 
+It sounds from the get-go you've chained and shackled yourself to a specific field.
+--- 2551319
+>>2551315
+You don't seem to comprehend that some people want to be in a specific career.
+--- 2551322
+>>2551319
+I do
+And I'm here to tell them they're going to be wrong and if they get stuck on it, they'll be miserable for the rest of their lives.
+Easy come, easy go anon. 
+Don't get too hung up on stuff.
+--- 2551353
+>>2551322
+retard advice
+>don't become a doctor bro because it will be hard for a few years
+--- 2551794
+>>2550681
+
+not trolling, but are you a diversity hire or what?
+--- 2551798
+>>2551322
+This is wrong
+
+Your experience != universal truth
+--- 2551801
+>>2551794
+Assuming he's telling the truth he's probably more like a strategic waste of state funding. They're either
+A) diverting funds to this to divert attention away from something else, or to draw attention to this specifically for future reasons (campaigns)
+B) doing this to avoid funding something else
+C) all of the above
+--- 2551826
+>>2548328 (OP)
+>small booty white girls 
+That's a no-go chief.
+--- 2552025
+>>2548328 (OP)
+I spent the last two years on my sailboat. Back on land now. Sold my boat and upgrading to a 41' so I can do transatlantic trips. I hate being tied down to an apartment, but this job pays well, and will fund my wind hippie dreams.
+--- 2552026
+>>2550500
+Most of them are programmers and yes 100k is the good life.
+--- 2552371
+>>2552026
+>100k is the good life.
+If you live in the rural south, maybe. Anywhere near a major city, no. Better up that figure by several thousand if you want to live the good life.
+--- 2552711
+>>2552371
+>near a major city
+>the good life
+kill yourself
+--- 2552751
+>>2548398
+>>2548407
+Just graduated with an EE degree. First offer I got was $66k/yr and guaranteed raises every year. Within 5 years, I'll be over $100k.
+--- 2552752
+>>2552711
+Where do you think programmer jobs are, genius? Hint: they aren't remote.
+--- 2552753
+>>2548355
+>Streets are filled with Van Dwellers
+That just makes me think that Jackson WY is a trashy shithole with a homeless problem.
+--- 2552757
+>>2552752
+They are remote though.
+--- 2552759
+>>2552753
+These "homelesss" people are climbers and skiers living in expensive ass vans filled with expensive ass gear.
+--- 2552760
+>>2552759
+Oh we're bringing back that meme again?
+--- 2552762
+>>2552760
+Bro it's Jackson. They are obviously all climbers and skiers. There is no other reason homeless people would try to live there.
+--- 2552792
+>>2548328 (OP)
+I did this back in 2019 because rent in colorado is fucking dumb and I had a big enough bed on my truck to put a camper shell on it and a cot. I saved a shitload of money, you just have to swap camping spots every two weeks and don't fall trap to buying shit at a gas station every time you go to one. The town I lived near(salida-leadville) had bath houses I bought a membership at, and I was religious about laundry.
+--- 2553064
+>>2550499
+>>2550502
+$75k salary not bad but still, then you have to live in cali dude
+--- 2553330
+>>2548328 (OP)
+I'm about to start a 14/7 camp job and also thinking about taking the homeless pill. Tacoma + cap/shell and stay in campgrounds/crown land on my days off.
+--- 2553336
+>>2550830
+Did the mounties finally catch him sleeping in the woods?
+--- 2553603
+>>2553064
+>$75k
+it's around that after taxes, yes
+I also pay $400/mo in rent for a studio and live in a beautiful coastal city while living on a horse ranch, so i dont really care what your retarded opinion about california or my wages are lol
+--- 2553636
+>>2553603
+do horses care that they walk around all day naked?
+--- 2553908
+>>2548934
+Rootless parasites such as these should be killed. Literally as if a gypsy born in another life
+--- 2553924
+>>2553908
+t. loser with no sense of adventure
+--- 2553948
+>>2548934
+>4runner
+solar water heater for hot water
+larger one with tray for cooking food, both will double as thermoses for keeping shit hot for a couple hours(also sealed to reduced food smell)
+collapsible bucket with wood step you can put in it, some rapid dry antimicrobial shower curtains with magnets to attach to ceiling, sand filter to catch all your soap and a small shower hook via magnet, now you too can be clean, showered and not use gallons of water keeping fresh
+12/24volt fridge/freezer, lots of good ones and crap ones, always run it off a separate battery bank, with a panel on top, free fridgeration everywhere
+also any number of lights(solar recharge ones that don't breakdown, $5 buck minimum)
+vent a MUST(leaving windows open just invites poor kids and deadbeats to break in looking for change/money/phones and stereo's to sell after a couple weeks(when pawn shops don't have to report it no more)
+get a scrubber bag dry bag to self clean small numbers of your clothes for places without laundromats/retracting clothes line
+forget all those other toilets, just use a WELL SEALED CASET TOILET, legal to dump the shit/piss in all states(with each ones differing laws), sealed so no smell unless you leave it full for days/weeks. Try to shit elsewhere on principle. Not on street, sidewalk, along the road. Use a cot to stay cooler during the summer, add blankets below it to stay warmer, get a diesel heater with a gas can attachment to double as a gas can for really cold locations.
+>>2550997
+>>2551282
+people no longer believe in their 401k's, KNOW that they need to grab their pensions as soon as possible because they get robbed/defunded at a drop of a hat, people currently believe in their homes as their only REAL investments, thus all those laws and shit, crappy rent costs, and all those investment firms buying up property everywhere, vehicles are now considered short term investments by some people
+--- 2553989
+>>2548934
+You do realize you are on /out/ right? Why would someone leave one of the top /out/ states in the country for some boring shit state like florida?
+--- 2554138
+>>2553636
+yes, they also prefer to be warm like us and often do well if you drape blankets over them
+--- 2554203
+>>2548328 (OP)
+being homeless and being a van hipster are two VERY different things, and if I think about it both groups deserve the lifestyle of the other. Give the hobos some decent equipment, and let the hipsters be destitute and eat out of dumpsters. They might learn something. OP is a massive faggot.
+--- 2554232
+>>2554203
+Not really. They're the same thing.
+--- 2554471
+>>2554232
+if you live in a shithole maybe
+--- 2554483
+>>2553924
+Only white women think vanlife is some kind of adventure
+--- 2554568
+>>2554471
+money and access to money are the only real difference between the two
+most Hipsters and shit have access to drugs, PRESCRIPTION DRUGS and use them with some doctors prescribing them just to use recreationally
+Poor guys/bums do crimes/steal/trade copper and parts for their drugs instead.
+Most law enforcement gets all their pay and money via drug wars laws. THEY LOVE catching pounds of weed/dope/meth/etc because it nets them large amounts of federal money that their small towns and cities couldn't afford to pay them with. Thus hounding the homeless and hoping to score free vehicles, drug busts, and more. All the land is officially owned now, so no one can go and be a forest monk no more. No States support bottle/bag/can rebates because they want their homeless to generate money for their police departments, make them feel good about locking them up, and getting more federal money, free forced labor, and supporting their housing markets valuations.
+--- 2554616
+>>2554483
+You have no imagination.
+--- 2554618
+>>2548854
+Well obviously you couldn't afford rent, can't be utopia.
+--- 2554827
+>>2548355
+Fuck off, and stay out.
+--- 2555345
+>>2548804
+>just be a part of my jewish society why do you faggots have to live without supporting banks and globohomo businesses!
+I'll continue getting everything free while you wageslave. Thanks for the tax money!
+--- 2555348
+>>2550500
+100k is basically minimum wage in this economy. im married and our hose hold income is a bit over 200k total. we live in a 3 bed 2 bath, thankfully we bought it pre pandemic for 400k, today it's worth more like 800. 2 6 figure earners together couldn't buy a 3 bed 2 bath in a decent part of town today. sUsTaInAbL3.
+
+i honestly don't know how a family of 4 making 100k is even surviving these days. been grocery shopping lately? 250 a week is normal if you're planning meals and eating cheap. add steaks once a week and that's another 60 bucks easily.
+--- 2555442
+>>2555348
+Where do you live that makes 100,000k not upper middle class?
+--- 2555450
+>>2548519
+lmao there's really still people in the world who think that being a wage slave cuck living in a concrete box being poisoned by smog and plastic in your blood sent off to work having your time and labor stolen by greedy corporations is 'functioning as a normal human being' and on top of that they gaslight and pressure people into thinking this servitude is a real and sustainable way to live hahahaha you people (mostly boomers) are so fucked in the head, beyond repair, have fun slaving away to pay off your concrete box.
+Have you seen those little cages they put hens into in these dystopian factory farms? Now imagine they would make the hen pay for the privilege to be imprisoned there being forced to work. That's you in your house in the suburbs, boomer.
+--- 2555468
+>>2555442
+The United States.
+--- 2556501
+>>2548999
+The entire world is his home. Close-minded aren't you?
+--- 2556502
+>>2549504
+Landlord hands typed this post
+--- 2556784
+I have a 4runner that I converted. Can you live out it full time? Sure. But you won’t enjoy it. I tried it for a week and it’s far from ideal. It’s a great weekender build though and comfy when you want to go camp.
+--- 2556808
+>>2548328 (OP)
+I did this during the start of Covid. My job went fully remote so I sold my house and a lot of my garbage possessions, loaded what I needed (including wife and two dogs) and drove halfway across the country to basically car camp for 6 months while we looked for property to buy. Worked off cell phone service the whole time, now you can get Starlink RV which is great (currently living in an RV on aforementioned property and using Starlink for internet).
+We had a lot of success using this as a transitional step from one lifestyle to the next, but be warned - a lot of people end up just pissing away their time and money because the realities of being homeless by choice/vanlife/whatever you want to call it is that a lot of things you used to take for granted are now pains in the ass and cost you money and there is likely a lot of gear you will need to get if you want to be able to do things like have power or be able to take showers.
+There is a lot of boredom, there is a good bit of being miserable (like backpacking with no upside), you will spend obscene amounts of time just maintaining a consistent lifestyle and doing it alone is not going to be any less of a total pain in the ass.
+We took it as a massive risk and it worked out for us, but it frequently felt not worth it at the time and I don't really know how doable it would have been for me to do in my 20s straight out of college.
+--- 2556938
+Bros, not sure if related, but didn't want to make a new thread.
+Basically im tired of this shit, and i just want to go live in the wild. Not really a homestead, but as close as hunter-gathers used to, do you have any resources where i can learn the skills needed to survive? Preferably books.
+I know you may think im a larper but is either go to the wild or kms in the city.
+--- 2557572
+>>2556938
+Unironically? Spend time with these guys, because the next best thing would probably just be those communities in remote parts of Siberia that still partially live off the land.
+--- 2557573
+>>2557572
+>>2556938
+>picrel
+--- 2557575
+>>2556938
+>quaint Siberian village
+--- 2559415
+>>2555468
+--- 2559649
+>>2548517
+Get a slingshot and use little rocks the size of grapes.
+Find a nice hidden position and hit the vehicle. Find different positions to practice from. 
+He won't be able to figure out from which direction it comes from if you change places often. 
+He probably won't chance going to the police as he probably already has complaints about his loitering there.
+He'll get the message and move on somewhere else. Try this before using torch method. 
+Druggies have no self-awareness, pretty soon he'll be shitting on the sidewalk and jerking off in front of kids. Do it anon.
+--- 2559914
+>>2549448
+the money you schmuck
+--- 2560057
+>>2559415
+Welcome to life in Clapistan
+--- 2560117
+>>2550341
+Then you should contact star link. That’s fucked
+>>2550344
+Starlink deep in the Adirondacks here and able to video conference with ease, stream anything we need to
+--- 2560195
+>>2548975
+>most of the farming for the entire country
+Lmao you mean almonds and avocados? Cash crops are in California, the actual breadbasket is the middle of the country
+--- 2560478
+>>2555442
+literally anywhere within 30 miles of a top 100 population center in the CONUS or Europe?
+
+In the last 3 years I've lived in Boston, Salt Lake, Vegas, Reno, and Phoenix and Phoenix was really the only one I'd say 100k is even livable as lower middle class. No way it's upper middle class. That was at the start of the pandemic so it's unlikely that's even true anymore with property increases.
+
+Define upper middle class. I'd say its a family of 4 as being able to afford owning a 3 bed 2 in an ok neighborhood, 2 ok cars, a family vacation every year and 2 kids. That's a minimum of 150k a year in little towns, more like 250k a year in civilization and something like 400k a year in large metros today.
+--- 2560614
+>>2548328 (OP)
+Any thoughts on doing this in the UK? Like the sound of it for a bit to save.
+--- 2560638
+>>2560478
+It’s kinda fucked how much property values have gone up.
+Last apartment I rented was 1175 (2bd 1bth, nice neighborhood)
+7 years later it’s now 1800 a month.
+If you didn’t buy a house pre money-printing-orgy; your prospects are dim at best.
+
+A family of 4 could be very comfortable on 100k provided they aren’t having to pay north of 2.5k a month for a mortgage (god forbid they’re having to rent a house). The situation is completely untenable.
+--- 2562062
+I dunno cars aren't that big, rooftop tents are kind of cool to hang out in if your homeless but most of it being able to stand up and walk around..summers you need a shower in the morning and maybe a shower after work and another one after working out..so that would be 3 showers..alot of water issues with van dwelling so always need access to facilities. As far as work is concerned you need to shower before work usually so if work really early in the morning it isn't an option..thats where people rather live in homes or use showerbags with heated water..not smelling is always the issue..if near a mall you could shit mall restrooms during the day but if you need shit late at night like alot of people do that isn't an option so you need to shit..thats the meme..alot of drug related crimes because of that. No engineer degrees thats 126 IQ business..thats a no.
+--- 2562064
+>>2548330
+That shit sucks ass when you spend any real amount of time in it because how confined it is.
+--- 2562119
+>>2560614
+Very VERY illegal in the UK. Not worth all the legal troubles that this would cause desu.
+--- 2562247
+>>2562119
+>it's illegal in the UK to cope with homelessness by using your vehicle as a place to shelter you from the elements
+is the UK even real?
+--- 2562560
+>>2562247
+
+It was, once. These days I think it's just being allowed to exist as a warning to the others.
+--- 2562935
+Kill van dwellers. Behead van dwellers. Roundhouse kick a van dweller into the concrete. Slam dunk a van dweller's baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy van dwellers. Defecate in a van dweller's food. Launch van dwellers into the sun. Stir fry van dwellers in a wok. Toss van dwellers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a van dweller's gas tank. Judo throw van dwellers into a wood chipper. Twist van dwellers heads off. Report van dwellers to the IRS. Karate chop van dwellers in half. Curb stomp pregnant van dwellers. Trap van dwellers in quicksand. Crush van dwellers in the trash compactor. Liquefy van dwellers in a vat of acid. Eat van dwellers. Dissect van dwellers. Exterminate van dwellers in the gas chamber. Stomp van dwellers skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate van dwellers in the oven. Lobotomize van dwellers. Mandatory abortions for van dwellers. Grind van dwellers fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown van dwellers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize van dwellers with a ray gun. Kick old van dwellers down the stairs. Feed van dwellers to alligators. Slice van dwellers with a katana.
+--- 2562945
+>>2562560
+Absolutely the most succinct and profound comment on the UK.
+--- 2563217
+>>2562935
+i'm not saying i would murder a van dweller but they are up there with prostitutes, transients, and hitchhikers in convenience & you know nobody cares about them enough to look for them or knows enough about their whereabouts to find you.
+--- 2564352
+>>2548328 (OP)
+Fuck every 40s or something bum going around asking for cigs
+Fuck public bathrooms
+Fuck Gypsies
+Total Crackhead death
+--- 2564353
+>>2548328 (OP)
+>being a vancuck
+>being homeless
+>not looking for a cave and turning it into your hideout where you can fill it with booby-traps to catch feds trying to make you pay rent
+Ngmi
+--- 2564354
+>>2562935
+Total Vanigger Death
+--- 2564357
+>>2554568
+so you're telling me the crackhead problem is all the pigger's fault?
+--- 2564693
+>>2548919
+>Saved a bunch of money from my 90k tech job
+>fucking cute surfer girls.
+and then everyone clapped
+--- 2564694
+>>2564353
+imagine this guys teeth
+--- 2564701
+>>2564353
+/out/ once again completely misses the point of living in a van
+--- 2564704
+>>2548328 (OP)
+Yes washington is great. And as you said CoL is high so wages are relatively high even for shit like retail.
+Shittiest part about it is Seattle and very lax EBT requirements and thieving/drug use laws pulled a shit load of homeless from the nation to washington. But the farther you get from cityfag area the less likely you'll run into crack heads. You'll still see them if you work in the suburbs but they generally fuck off
+
+Another note is any forest/park within a mile of a major chain store or bus line will have homeless, so if you find a spot and think "this will be easy" you probably goofed
+--- 2564705
+>>2564353
+>bro just find a cave
+Caves are unironically boomer tourist attractions now a days. Do you even uncle ted?
+--- 2564706
+>>2563217
+Also buy a recording device set to email video every x days unless you enter a pause phrase for faggots like this
+--- 2564749
+>>2548329
+>>2548328 (OP)
+This is the dream but I want to caution anyone anti social enough to do this that its not that simple. dont go anywhere until you have the job locked down.
+--- 2564751
+>>2551801
+its obviously just an early warning layer to keep primitive anarchos from setting fire to relays. easily worth the money paid out. Like amazon pays me rediculous money for the work required for the same reason. it's not because it's work. I do the same ammount of work as a cash register, maybe less. theres no counting or people. I typically make 30% or more than any of them though. Why? loyalty. They don't want their workers to walk. simple as.
+--- 2564769
+>>2550086
+One thing living in wilderness and another is living very close to people and being exposed to worst human scum possible.
+--- 2564847
+>>2549982
+Alright, but where do you live?
+--- 2564923
+>>2553330
+>campgrounds
+>tacoma
+Fucking what? Lmao
+--- 2565070
+>>2548328 (OP)
+>thinking about picking Washington
+Fuck off, we're full.
+--- 2565104
+>>2548328 (OP)
+>COL is high, meaning wages must also be high
+
+HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAA
+holy shit do you actually believe that??
+--- 2565115
+>>2564923
+What part of this doesn't make sense?
+--- 2565209
+>>2548537
+>>2548540
+What are tips, you fucking morons.
+--- 2565482
+>>2550325
+great and inspiring attitude bro
+--- 2565525
+>>2565115
+I misread. I thought you were implying tacoma city, not tacoma truck
+--- 2566839
+It's time to start exterminating these genetic misfires.
+>https://wgme.com/news/local/maine-housing-crisis-homeless-encampments-portland-bayside-trail-temporary-shelter

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+-----
+--- 2549523
+I'm supposed to be on trail in less than 3 weeks but the entire fucking trail in buried in snow...
+--- 2549524
+>>2549523 (OP)
+Yeh you ain't gonna be hiking the Sierra portion of the pct any time soon, with how much they've been getting buried. 
+
+Should have planned ahead.
+--- 2549529
+>>2549523 (OP)
+My hometown near Arrowhead is buried and the grocery store fucking collapsed from all the snow- the mountains aint gonna be good to go for awhile
+--- 2549531
+>>2549523 (OP)
+Yeah you're probably fucked. You could go hard with snowshoes and a sled but the ground will dry while you're on trail. You could try to hide it or rent a storage unit if it's worth it to you.
+--- 2549570
+>>2549524
+>Yeh you ain't gonna be hiking the Sierra portion of the pct any time soon, with how much they've been getting buried.
+Why not? Its just walking on snow. My plan is to get through the Sierra's quick before everything begins to melt. By going early I am hoping to encounter fewer stream crossings and have less postholing.
+>>2549529
+>>2549531
+A few weeks from now I think we'll be good. Sierras will be a bitch no matter what
+--- 2550953
+its going to be closed off. However if you want to rogue it, prepare for trails under 30 feet of snow, avalanches, flooding, and death.
+
+t. mono county
+--- 2550959
+>>2549523 (OP)
+The first month is all desert. The trail doesn't summit mt San Antonio. If you aren't leaving until April anyway you won't actually hit the sierras until June. I'm sure this season will be worse than any in recent memory, but you should cry about it when you get there. Who knows it might all melt by then due to global warming.
+--- 2550974
+Actual picture of me in the Sierras this June.
+--- 2550982
+>>2549523 (OP)
+--- 2550985
+OP is probably a fucktard who thinks “walking on snow” is easy/possible (without snow shoes). The PCT is gay in normal years with the 5000+ normie faggots who attempt it these days. If OP is actually a badass half-yeti hybrid hiker more power to him. It would be better to just go south bound this year, you’ll even get more of the trail before the fires start in July/August up north.
+--- 2551000
+>>2549570
+You are a complete and utter idiot
+
+Please, please, please dont postpone your trip. Go on with it. I beg of you. Let natural selection do its job before you procreate
+--- 2551003
+>>2549523 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/oAFXM7TTpYo [Embed]
+--- 2551005
+>>2549523 (OP)
+I'm sorry to hear that man. I did it in 2018 and I never even got rained on until the last week.
+--- 2551008
+>>2549529
+Yo Goodwin's right? I lived in Arrowhead in 1998-2004. A buddy of mine who still lives out there was telling me about that.
+--- 2551009
+>>2551003
+Based Dixie. I want her size 11s on my shoulders so bad.
+--- 2551012
+>>2551005
+Forgot pic. This was late June I believe.
+--- 2551014
+>>2551009
+same, with that accent
+>raht thair, anon
+>thait's et
+>ah don't cair if someone's coming cuz ah am, anon
+--- 2551022
+>>2550953
+>its going to be closed off. However if you want to rogue it, prepare for trails under 30 feet of snow, avalanches, flooding, and death.
+fuck yeah! lets go
+>>2550959
+>If you aren't leaving until April anyway you won't actually hit the sierras until June
+I'll be in campo the first week of april so I hope to enter the sierras like 3rd week of may. I dont know shit, so I could be wrong, but it seems like the river crossings are the biggest danger, so I'm hoping to clear the sierras before everything melts turns to shit
+I have crampons, snowshoes and an ice axe
+>>2550985
+>OP is probably a fucktard who thinks “walking on snow” is easy/possible (without snow shoes)
+I have snow shoes.
+>It would be better to just go south bound this year, you’ll even get more of the trail before the fires start in July/August up north.
+I dont want AT levels of social interaction, but I also dont want SOBO levels of social interaction. I want to go NOBO and stay in-front of the bubble. Maybe hike behind a cute girl and sniff her butt all day/
+>>2551000
+are you okay?
+>>2551005
+>I'm sorry to hear that man. I did it in 2018 and I never even got rained on until the last week.
+I have led a life of disappointment so I have become something of a cope-artist. And with these abilities I have convinced myself that this year is going to be epic. I know its going to suck, and there will be some temptation to flip-flop, but I'm fully committed to roughing it out and spending the next decade reminding faggots about how "back in my day.."
+I havent even hit the trail yet and I already look down on you for hiking in such pussy conditions :)
+>>2551009
+>Based Dixie. I want her size 11s on my shoulders so bad.
+shoulders? wait, what?
+--- 2551110
+>>2551022
+>shoulders?
+I think he means he wants to have a variant of missionary position sexual intercourse with her, wherein her feet are placed upon his shoulders.
+--- 2551115
+>>2550982
+I know. It's sad and funny at the same time. Some of the responses in this thread are absolutely pitiful too.
+--- 2551871
+>>2551115
+>Posts a shit comment complaining about shit comments
+Your lack of self awareness is truly impressive.
+--- 2551900
+>>2549523 (OP)
+Bad year for PCT thru hike attempts I'm afraid. At least you're aware of this. It' s going to be interesting to see how most thru-hikers response to the conditions.
+The follow up concern is the state of the rivers once this snow melts out.
+imo I would just forget trying to thru the pct this year, use the time and money to hike a bunch of other stuff rather than just sloggin the the bits of the pct that are free. Then return to the sierra in the fall when they might be more manageable. 
+I'm planning to try the sierra high route this year, but have pushed my plans as far back into sept as possible
+--- 2551905
+>>2551871
+Go away, nu-out. The adults are talking.
+--- 2552063
+>>2551900
+>It' s going to be interesting to see how most thru-hikers response to the conditions.
+I think most people will skip, or "flip flop" and never come back.
+>The follow up concern is the state of the rivers once this snow melts out.
+I hit the Sierras second half of May, so I'm hoping to avoid that.
+>imo I would just forget trying to thru the pct this year, use the time and money to hike a bunch of other stuff rather than just sloggin the the bits of the pct that are free. Then return to the sierra in the fall when they might be more manageable. 
+I'm fully locked in so I'm just going to make the best of it. The snowpack provides a really good opportunity to learn both mountaineering and back-country navigational skills.
+But who knows? Maybe the weather will turn around. Still got a few weeks
+--- 2553596
+250 PERCENT SNOWPACK HOLY HECKERINO
+--- 2553598
+>>2549570
+>Why not? Its just walking on snow
+You're gonna fucking die OP
+--- 2553610
+>>2549523 (OP)
+Bring skis. More fun than walking anyway.
+--- 2553640
+>>2553598
+>You're gonna fucking die OP
+dont tease me like that
+>>2553596
+>250 PERCENT SNOWPACK HOLY HECKERINO
+Yeah, the fearmongering has begun on reddit.
+But I'm really looking forward to the Sierras, more than anything else. Its going to be a once in a lifetime adventure on top of a once in a lifetime adventure
+>>2553610
+>Bring skis. More fun than walking anyway.
+Wish I learned. Cross country looks comfy af
+--- 2553643
+>>2553640
+>Wish I learned
+
+I never learned until recently. I just bought the gear and went out and started trying to use it.
+
+You will fall a few times your first day out, but will eventually figure it out.
+--- 2553708
+>>2553640
+you have time to learn, i learned recently in a few days with just like 1 hour a day. plenty of good yt vids teaching u the basics, and then if u can try to go with someone who know how to ski, they can correct ur form
+--- 2554134
+>>2553708
+sounds fun, but probably not the time for that. this trip through the sierras is going to be fucking insane. something that I am just soo under qualified for, its almost suicidal, reckless at best.
+plus I dont wanna carry some heavy ass ski's. pack will already be 50lbs with snowshoes, an ice axe and crampons
+--- 2554141
+>>2554134
+Weight of skis is far made up for by the increased speed, both uphill and downhill. Snowshoes are very slow and obnoxious.
+--- 2554145
+>>2554141
+>Weight of skis is far made up for by the increased speed, both uphill and downhill.
+its easier to slide down on my butt. dont skis require ski boots?
+--- 2554256
+>nOoOoOoooo my metagame is ruined!
+--- 2555428
+>>2553610
+>what if I just get on top of the snow 
+jej
+--- 2555535
+I might have time to hike the PCT this year, I'm going over it as a plan B. But can't start till June, so am trying to figure a good starting point for a flip flop.
+--- 2555539
+>>2552063
+>Maybe the weather will turn around. Still got a few weeks
+Nope. More storms predicted thru first half of April and very good possibility of hitting all time snow records from '51-52. Lots of places very close to 700 inches of snow already.
+--- 2555582
+>>2555535
+>I might have time to hike the PCT this year, I'm going over it as a plan B. But can't start till June, so am trying to figure a good starting point for a flip flop.
+You could hike SOBO?
+--- 2555628
+>>2555582
+I have to be home before the end of September so waiting to start a SoBo would leave a really tight time frame.
+--- 2555631
+>>2555628
+You plan to hike the pct in under 3 months? You should definitely do it don't even bother reading about it. I have faith in you and your abilities.
+--- 2555632
+>>2555628
+I guess you would have to start in NorCal if you want to be in the bubble. Another option would be hiking something like the Hayduke trail. With all the snow and water, it should be a good year for a desert hike
+>>2555631
+>You plan to hike the pct in under 3 months?
+He wants to section hike
+--- 2555666
+>>2555631
+>You plan to hike the pct in under 3 months?
+Noo I have ~100 days to hike but can only start early june. One idea is to start in NorCal and hike NoBo to the northern terminus, then flip back to NorCal and hike SoBo to the southern terminus. 
+>>2555632
+Yeah a NorCal start seems to be the best option. desu the more I look at it the more I think I'm going to stick with original plan.
+>Hayduke
+I hiked a 900 mile Hayduke last fall. Was amazing.
+--- 2555685
+fucking californians I swear
+>nooo our reservoirs are depleted and there's no snow!!11
+>noooo it's flooding and there's too much snow!!111
+--- 2557465
+Probably would want to hit the sierra in July. There will still be plenty of snow but enough will have melted that you will have an easier time with crossings. The only downside is you will be flirting with wildfire season heavily in the north. 
+
+If you are set on your start date. Then, if you can safely get to cottonwood pass with the gear you bring, you are for sure good to go on the rest of the trail. If however, you feel like your gear (most likely shoes) you are under gunned before this point, pull off the trail and get a real set of mountaineering boots with a full shank and a real set of crampons you can kick steps with. 
+
+Do a sanity check at cottonwood pass because it only gets harder from there - and it would be a good bailout point to go to lone pine/independence and hole up until your new gear arrives. GL.
+--- 2557477
+>>2555685
+When I see 1’s I think of AOE
+--- 2559201
+>>2549570
+Bro do not make this trek unless you are prepared with snowshoes and are prepared for insane river crossings. 
+The snowpack is extremely high this year. After 10 AM the snow will get extremely loose/sludgy and you will be postholing in 8 feet of snow. I am doing JMT next month and I am very nervous about the dangers this year.
+--- 2559216
+>>2555685
+>>nooo our reservoirs are depleted and there's no snow!!
+was true for several years straight
+>>noooo it's flooding and there's too much snow!
+Also true- tho no one is claiming too much snow yet. 
+
+Weather (and climate) whiplash. Ca is a land of extremes and has fascinting geopgraphy and weather
+--- 2559218
+>>2549523 (OP)
+Going in May in a really high snow year is quite ballsy. Don't be surprised if you come across rivers that are too sketchy to cross, and don't be too proud too turn around. 
+
+God speed OP.
+--- 2559220
+>>2553640
+>permit to use a public trail
+>permit to have a campfire
+--- 2559224
+>>2559220
+Why does /out/ have retards like this who insist on making their presence known?
+--- 2559259
+>>2559224
+Do you have a permit for that post
+--- 2559762
+>Record breaking snowpack levels, more coming 
+>No alpine mountaineering skills or even basic snow safety, plans to learn “on the way”
+>Clearly lacks risk tolerance, ignoring advice from experienced individuals because “le epic adventure spirit!” 
+>Will inevitably fall through a snow bridge while taking a “shortcut” 
+>Won’t be recovered until bleached femur is spotted 20 years later by a job corps trail worker 
+
+Not all who wander are lost OP! When CalGuard SAR birds are doing laps over my house in June, I’ll think of you:)
+--- 2559831
+>>2559762
+>Not all who wander are lost OP! When CalGuard SAR birds are doing laps over my house in June, I’ll think of you:)
+atleast you're thinking about me :)
+cant say the same about you
+--- 2559947
+>>2559216
+Climate whiplash? Is the glacier that carved Yosemite coming back? Dinosaur cars melted it, didn’t they!
+--- 2561981
+>>2559831
+CLUTCH
+--- 2562006
+>>2559218
+>May
+Look at the date of his post retard
+--- 2562024
+>>2562006
+This. It's better to start in March and finish by late August.
+--- 2562079
+>>2549523 (OP)
+>>2551900
+Hiked it and '17 and had the time of my life, just get out there, everybody will tell you to skip the Sierras "Muh not passable, can't through hike this year".
+Just get up there and see it for yourself take a lot of food (carried 10 days worth out of kearsage pass). If you can't make a river crossing just turn around, don't cross if you're not comfortable just make camp and look for a besser crossing the next day. 
+Will be hard and painful but so rewarding being among a handfull of people trying to make their way across.
+--- 2562505
+If your tramily gets bogged down in deep snow, pretend you're the Donner party and eat each other.
+--- 2562515
+>>2562079
+Oh don't be bosh, anon. Of course he can do it! Hannibal crossed the Alps with less didn't he?
+--- 2564640
+this is a shitpoast thread
+bump
+--- 2566547
+>>2559762
+>he couldn't respond to this 
+Kwab
+--- 2566594
+>>2559762
+>Won’t be recovered until bleached femur is spotted 20 years later by a job corps trail worker
+what a kino way to go
+--- 2566699
+>>2562505
+How about you kill yourself you miserable dweeb

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+-----
+--- 2549680
+How do I build the stamina for longer hikes? I usually go on about a 1 mile hike, never actually finish a trail, I just start it and get to a certain point, lose my energy, and come back the way I came. I want to actually finish a trail.
+
+What would you suggest?
+--- 2549681
+>>2549680 (OP)
+You know what they say. Practice is worthless.
+--- 2549685
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Go on hikes more often. Run/exercise. How the fuck do you give up at 1 mile? Even when I was an obese loser retard on my first hike I could at least do 8-12 miles a day.
+--- 2549686
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Just finish the trail? Bring a snack, take a break, finish the trail. How the hell can't you finish a 1 mile hike? I don't even eat before hand and just run off ketosis for a couple miles with a loaded pack (max fat loss) until I finish and then I get a nice big lunch.
+--- 2549789
+>>2549681
+I always heard it as:
+Practice makes permanent 
+>>2549685
+This--walk atleast 5k a day. Start adding weight and distance as it gets easier.
+--- 2549795
+>>2549680 (OP)
+>How do I build the stamina for longer hikes?
+you hike more
+
+>I just start it and get to a certain point, lose my energy
+bring a snack
+--- 2549824
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Shitty bait
+--- 2549825
+>>2549680 (OP)
+>What would you suggest?
+posting more on here should help
+--- 2549966
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Try a bit of caffeine before you start out to give you a boost of energy. Some folks drink coffee, others an energy drink like Monster or Red Bull, for serious exercise hikes you could do pre workout supplements. The best and only way to build stamina is to do the activity you want to build stamina. So hiking, long distance walking, or running. Running is the best but it sucks starting out.
+--- 2550072
+>holy shit glen what's wrong with your face!
+--- 2550340
+>>2549680 (OP)
+This isn't the hobby for you.
+You just finish the fucking trail. Everyone of us gets tired sometimes, if it's bad you sit down and rest a moment. 
+I don't know any regular hiker who gets the impulse to bail in the middle of a hike. If you're that kinda person I don't think you'll ever find much joy in backpacking.
+--- 2551735
+>>2549680 (OP)
+If you are not actually larping good on you for exercising use a tracker watch gradually over each week increase it by steps keep hydrated have everything you need to be prepared in the uk we carry knifes because of joggers
+--- 2551792
+practice, start small, increase volume by 10% a week, have a rest week every 4th week where you cut volume by 50%
+--- 2551793
+>>2549824
+nu-/out/ will still bump the thread relentlessly
+--- 2551809
+You go until you can't go anymore then you hope your survival instinct gets you back out. If you don't make it you get weeded out the population.
+It's how we've always done it
+--- 2551810
+>>2549680 (OP)
+>1 mile
+that's not a hike. start walking to the grocery store, the pharmacist, the hardware store, wherever.
+--- 2551827
+just run you dumb nigger
+--- 2551834
+>>2549685
+Even when I was an obese loser retard on my first hike I could at least do 8-12 miles a day.
+Same. Well, almost the same, because when I was young I was in great condition, and I hiked tons in the 90s and early 2000s. In between then, I joined the rat race and became an obese loser.
+
+A few years back, in my mid-30s, fat and out of shape, I could carry a loaded daypack uphill 4-5 miles and then back down again, and feel fine. I shudder to think what kind of shape OP must be in to give up at the 1-mile mark, what the fuck?
+--- 2551837
+Hike less, you're over doing it by going a friggin mile
+--- 2551960
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Sounds like you have a horrific diet and probably some other health problems, maybe anemia, and bad sleep, or something. Get your health sorted out dude.
+--- 2554096
+>>2551793
+Bump!
+--- 2554911
+I was embarrassed to post a 1 mile trail run on Strava because I thought it wasn't long enough to post
+--- 2554914
+>>2549680 (OP)
+>1 mile hike
+That's not a hike. That's a stroll.
+--- 2554975
+>>2554911
+Rightfully so, lad. You should be embarrassed about one mile.
+--- 2555145
+Thank you anon, I thought the trail would be longer (it wasn't mapped on Strava and only loosely tracked on all trails) I ended up doing two laps then realized it was a shit excuse for a trail and left.
+--- 2556896
+>>2549680 (OP)
+>1 mile
+american car culture is at fault
+--- 2557463
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Jimmy Carr has aged terribly
+--- 2557483
+>>2549680 (OP)
+jenny craig diet?
+--- 2559489
+>>2551827
+Need to do stair climbers too
+--- 2559494
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Don't usually visit this board, but I'd assume having a good diet?
+--- 2559875
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Just give up at the end and walk back
+--- 2559938
+You just walk bro. I was fat as fuck but walked 5 miles a day for a couple months and then went on my first backpacking trip ever across Glacier NP weighing 380lbs. I crossed paths with an Australian couple at the top of a pass and heard them saying "even the hikers are fat" while they were walking away.
+--- 2560025
+>>2549680 (OP)
+>1 mile
+Do you mean 10 miles because 1 is like a first graders way to school or a shopping trip.Giving up that quickly can't possibly be an energy thing outside of serious health issues, it's a you-hate-it thing. Or do you use an aid to get around inside your home?
+
+Take it easy and make it easy: Start early, wear old sneakers and sweater istead of whatever you just bought for hiking, bring fruit and oats for snacking, drink enough, take breaks whenever you feel like it, bring friends to talk to or some music/podcast to listen to when bored.
+--- 2560505
+>>2549680 (OP)
+>How do I build the stamina for longer hikes?
+
+By reading 4chan and watching youtube videos about /out/ stuff.
+--- 2560916
+>>2549680 (OP)
+gotta eat your way through to the other side of this issue
+--- 2562344
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Each day, put a dollar in a jar. When you finish a trail you get all the money in the jar. This is a good way to save up for smokes.
+--- 2564290
+>>2562344
+'tarded
+--- 2564714
+>>2559938
+That's fucked up. Sorry, bro.
+--- 2564726
+>>2559938
+Lmao fuckin cunts
+--- 2566317
+Jump rope might help.
+--- 2566326
+>>2559938
+i'm still 20kg overweight and walk 20mile hikes.
+it's just a mental thing in my opinion
+--- 2566593
+>>2549680 (OP)
+Keep walking as long as you can into the woods. When you get tired, take a rest, eat a granola bar, then walk further until you're tired. Only then may you turn around.
+--- 2566606
+>>2549680 (OP)
+>What would you suggest?
+just fucking finish it you lazy cunt
+stop giving up
+--- 2566610
+Do a treadmill test then get some stents. If you run out of energy after a mile it's something medical.

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+-----
+--- 2550045
+so how do you get into urbex? any types of locations i should start with?
+--- 2550048
+>>2550045 (OP)
+>so how do you get into urbex?
+you walk into abandoned places
+>any types of locations i should start with?
+abandoned places near you
+
+what the fuck is wrong with zoomers man, rub two of your brain cells together for a second and think of how retarded the question you're asking is. there's nothing difficult or spiritual or mental about urban exploration, you just walk around. no one's going to shoot you on sight unless you walk into a drug den, or nigger. the worst thing that happens in most cases is security or police show up and ask you to leave
+--- 2550052
+>>2550048
+>just walk in to abandoned places surrounded by security dude
+retard. also i was asking what type of places to start with, not how to fucking explore
+--- 2550053
+>>2550052
+>abandoned
+>security
+if it's abandoned there isn't security, and they won't do shit except ask you to leave. start with exploring a coffin, how fucking stupid do you have to be to ask "where do i go to look at stuff?"
+--- 2550055
+>>2550053
+>if it's abandoned there isn't security, and they won't do shit except ask you to leave.
+you just said abandoned buildings don't have security and then proceeded to say they do. come up with better bait next time
+--- 2550153
+>>2550048
+>zoomers
+>two brain cells
+Well there's the problem right there, anon
+--- 2550156
+>>2550053
+>>2550048
+^Ignore this faggot
+First of all, get boots that don´t get pierced by nails and glass. Extremely important.
+Then, get an asbestos mask. This may sound overkill, but if you explore some half rotting, half collapsed building that hasn´t been touched in years, you´re gonna create a lot of dust, and things may shift, causing asbestos to be set free.
+It doesn´t take a lot of asbestos to fuck you up. I´m not saying get a full-on gas mask, but get a 3M classified for asbestos. Shouldn´t be more than 20 bucks.
+Then, the biggest factor on how much fun you´re gonna have, is where you live. If you live in a shithole, there´s a good chance you can see 10 abandonned buildings just by looking outside of your window.
+If you live in a 1st world country, you´ll probably have to find a community.
+There´s also Google-Maps community maps, with thousands of locations, but you gotta have connections for people to give you permission to view those, because in 1st world countries, the urbex folks are all paranoid, because of vandalism and subhuman graffitti niggers.
+I used to be on facebook communities, but barely anyone uses facebook anymore, so I don´t know how it´s done now.
+You also might wanna have wellies, and in really shady structures a hard-hat.
+Also, tell people close to you where you´re going.
+IF you live in Germany, I can give you a couple of locations.
+--- 2550259
+>>2550156
+thanks for the advice anon. i do have have decent boots, just no gas mask. i'm not in germany though i'm in canada. i looked online to see if i could find any local urbex groups but didn't find much.
+--- 2550723
+>>2550156
+Other anon, I guess you're talking about that urbex elite photo Databank. Do you have any cool locations in brandenburg? Been going to lots of military bases and want to go to Kaserne kummersdorf next but there seems to be a lot of activity around there. Do you know anything as big as the one in Luckenwalde but with just as lax security?
+--- 2551172
+>>2550723
+To the West-South-West of Brandeburg, there´s some kind of Halbinsel, and there seem to be 6 different spots just there.
+I´ll just send you the Maps-Image, because they are so close together, that you should be able to find them. I don´t know if they´re all still active though, some of them aren´t updated regularly.
+The place is called Kirchmöser, but I guess if you live near Brandeburg, you may know it already.
+No idea about the quality of those places either. With those maps, you never really know.
+--- 2551287
+>>2550723
+https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=50.49212685160942%2C10.61952298736152&z=7&mid=1M6OeH-DCWCLHGLQ2_CiGPd0aO7IjPHqo
+Here's the database, in case any euro anons are interested
+--- 2551310
+>>2551287
+>euros
+FUCK!
+--- 2551494
+>>2550156
+do you also have some interesting Locations in Northrine Westphalia or close to NRW?
+--- 2551611
+>>2550045 (OP)
+every city has storm drains. every industrial area has abandoned buildings. look at infiltration.org for inspiration, they're from toronto
+--- 2551667
+If you live in a deindustrialized shithole like I do, a good way to start finding places is to use Google maps satellite view and look along railroads. The website abandonedrails.com is a great respurce for US railroad locations. Within approximately 15 min of looking around the outskirts of any medium sized city I can find one. Once you think that youve found a place, try to see it in person before you dive in. Holes in fences, boards on windows, old graffiti, lack of vehicles, and overgrown vegetation are good signs that a place is thoroughly abandonded. Picrel is from a town that I've never been to and randomly chose (Erie Pennsylvania) which I found in about 10 minutes. IMO the best way to stay safe is to take a trusted friend with you. GL and have fun out there
+--- 2552091
+>>2551494
+there's a steel factory near Krefeld or düsseldorf I went to in 2010. plenty of scaling or climbing activity. However I think they added a movie theater inside the old factory. Still worth a visit.
+--- 2552092
+>>2550048
+Imma give you some advice, choch. You can leave the board at any time. No one will miss you.
+--- 2552164
+>>2551287
+Great, thanks for this.
+Can I save this in Google maps?
+--- 2552165
+>>2551667
+Ever had any issues with homeless people squatting?
+--- 2552516
+>>2552165
+Fairly often you'll sew signs of squatters like mattresses and litter in abandonded industrial areas, but running into people is exceptionally rare. It's only happened to me twice. Once saw a guy just watching us from a window, a very old man whoshouted at us to go away while we were in a parking lot looking for a way to get inside. We just turned around and left without any issue. The last thing that the types of people who live in abonded buildings want is to be seen and kicked out, so they really just try to avoid everyone. You're probably more likely to get assaulted by a crack addict in a gas station parking lot than inside some old factory.
+--- 2552535
+>>2550045 (OP)
+Start looking around for abandoned places when you are out and about, theres probably more than you think. For me, especially old factories were easy to find. Be aware that a lot of places have been trashed by young people/homeless. A lot of glass on the floor, i would always go wearing a thick soled shoe. Also drug needles. Thick padded running shoes and clothing makes you look more like a guy that took a wrong turn or just "got curious" and had a look in the building while out running rather than someone dangerous. You want to be mindful of safety, bring flashlight and phone to call for help, be careful what you step on as wooden floors can be rotten through or stairs can collapse. Be aware of your enviroment. But usually its okay. Ive never met any, but theres been homeless people sleeping at most of the ones ive seen at some point so far, its a decent sign in some ways because then the place is truly abandoned, you´d want to make sure that there isnt anyone comming to check on the building. The asbestos advice from the other anon is probably a good idea.
+--- 2552560
+>>2550045 (OP)
+I enjoy urbex (especially abandoned malls) and have followed various related YouTube channels for years, and you know what I've noticed? Unless it's an amusement park, urbex happens inside of a building--literally indoors--in 99% of cases. Why the fuck are you posting about it on /out/doors? Do city idiots think that any venue not in a cubicle, apartment, or restaurant counts as "outside"?
+--- 2552563
+>>2552560
+>>2552092
+--- 2553022
+>>2550259
+Where in Canada?
+--- 2553102
+>>2552560
+No, the complexes I go to require me to walk there since I have no car and are very big and make me walk around a lot. I spend more time going from building to building than actually inside them. 
+https://mega.nz/folder/d0cHEAha#PcfPeU7PGkZ9Yazc08GlIA
+Link related it's one of the places I was at where I was constantly outside going on a hike. 
+Also I'd like to argue that this thread has more of a reason to exist than yet another gearthread where the people posting in them don't even go outside
+--- 2553245
+>>2550045 (OP)
+Just make sure that you have good boots and wear gloves. The last thing you want is to get tetanus by cutting yourself on a piece of rusty metal.
+--- 2553247
+>>2553245
+>that filename
+--- 2555044
+>>2550048
+I'm going to bump the thread just because you're being a nonce.
+--- 2555247
+>>2551172
+Sweet place, went there today was is very good condition I can only recommend the town. I also met an old couple that used to work at the place and they told me a bit about the town.
+Here's the pics
+https://mega.nz/folder/11Eg1Qjb#KzWPzn4YK8UPO2396ZwY_g
+Do you guys think megar folders are a good way of sharing trips or pics? 
+It's just easier for me as there is no file limit and I don't have to upload them all
+--- 2556075
+>>2550045 (OP)
+old buildings near roads that connect two cities
+--- 2556179
+>>2550052
+>>2550045 (OP)
+>>2550055
+OP, you are an insufferable retard.
+--- 2556188
+>>2550156
+This. I got in on a Facebook group that did paid trips. A girl roped me into it. From there I was able to meet people and stop paying. That shit is gay. They'd organize shit to justify the cost but I never wanted that in the first place. 
+
+Do the mask. Be paranoid about danger. I had a friend fall through a factory floor that looked good, but it wasn't. He fucked up his leg and we had to drag him out of there. Be careful. This shit is as dangerous if not more than exploring abandoned mines if you act stupid.
+--- 2556460
+>>2552560
+Now pls KYS autistic faggot
+--- 2556528
+>>2550048
+Based. They're mad but they needed to hear this.
+--- 2557557
+>>2550045 (OP)
+honest to god, people gatekeep so fucking hard it's stupid as fuck. 
+The sentiment is to keep people from destroying beautiful abandoned places, which is understandable, but it's still fucking stupid.
+From what I've heard:
+- post proof of any expeditions you go on to give yourself credibility and ask around
+- use google for your location
+- use google maps and follow rivers/train tracks
+- use wikimapia
+- join random urbex discords from tiktok urbexers and ask around
+- DON'T FUCKING DESTROY THE PLACES
+best of luck to you
+
+The best places I've found, I just pay attention while I drive around and look for ladders, anywhere there's graffiti (means there's a way up), and yeah just peel your eyes and look around sometimes it's just obvious.
+Ignore the gatekeeping seethe virgins, this is a hobby that should be spread, just not to autistic middle school edgelords.
+--- 2557558
+>>2550048
+dude fuck off
+it's hard to get into this especially if you don't know where to look or don't know what's abandoned. quit seething
+
+>>2550156
+Thank you for the solid advice! I think I'll go get myself these things now I didn't realize I should get them. genuine :)
+--- 2557561
+>>2553102
+Nice! Where is this?
+--- 2557562
+>>2555247
+GOD DAMN is this german?????
+--- 2557651
+>>2555247
+Did you go there because of my recommendation, or was it just a coincidence?
+--- 2557652
+>>2555247
+Nice pictures btw.
+I wonder what´s up with that boat...
+And I totally would have stolen that Polizeiautotüre.
+--- 2557664
+>>2557561
+>>2557562
+It's an old industry town called kirchmöser, it's also discussed previously in the thread
+
+>>2557651
+I'm this anon >>2550723 so I looked into it after you send the location. I wasn't convinced at first but after I looked at it from street view it looked pretty dope. Thanks for the recommendation.
+If you got any more I'd be happy to look into this as well. But I'm probably not going to go there within the next two weeks.
+
+>>2557652
+Well there was a trash yard with a bunch of cars close by so I think they just used it to store their boat.
+I also would have liked to take that door but I'm on foot. The place also looked like there were gypsies living there so I just didn't enter cuz I don't want any trouble with them.
+--- 2557742
+>>2557561
+Shit sorry that actually near Luckenwalde. It's called Adolf Hitler Lager or 3. Lager it's to the south of the town. Just put on Google Street view and the place with a bunch of blue is where it's at
+--- 2559036
+How can I find new places to explore? My friends aren't interested in urbex and I generally don't like meeting new people. Are there any good sites or forums for abandoned places?
+--- 2559577
+Does anyone know if there is a way to search Google Maps for places marked "permanently closed"? This would be a really good way to find locations.
+
+>>2559036
+Satellite maps. Check newspapers for closed businesses and the like. Pick up on patterns: where places typically get abandoned where you live.
+--- 2559605
+>>2551287
+shit man, as an eurofag who wants to get into urbex this really is a gold mine
+
+thank you anon
+--- 2559660
+>>2551287
+Thanks man. 
+So many places in Belgium getting demolished lately so it's been a pain keeping track.
+
+>>2559605
+This one has a few as well although it's getting less reliable with the updates.
+https://www.urbex.nl/locations-by-category/
+I've been to a few that were closed or gone completely so better get moving if you wanna see 'em.
+
+I'd be keen to meet up with similarly minded folks in Europe to go exploring.
+I know a few spots around my town that are worth checking out but only if you're in the area.
+
+>picrel - Sanitorium Du Basil in Wallonia
+--- 2559664
+>>2550045 (OP)
+The state of 15yr old /out faggots
+--- 2559665
+>>2559660
+Not sure why it's flipped but here's the whole facade in case anyone's interested.
+--- 2559668
+>>2551287
+all those places are trash
+--- 2559807
+>>2559668
+KYS faggot you´re trash.
+--- 2559837
+>>2550048
+>what the fuck is wrong with zoomers man, rub two of your brain cells together for a second and think of how retarded the question you're asking is. there's nothing difficult or spiritual or mental about urban exploration, you just walk around
+--- 2560523
+>>2559660
+>I'd be keen to meet up with similarly minded folks in Europe to go exploring.
+
+thanks for the resources mate. I'd like to meet people to go urbex too, but unfortunately I'm stuck wagecucking in Italy. I usually go on the weekends if I have enough free time. If this thread is still up I'll give updates if I visit any of the linked locations
+--- 2561092
+I travel around and do this around the world 
+https://gopro.com/v/572zN9bVovWXz
+--- 2561093
+>>2560523
+Pisa has a cool factory just watch out I met a homeless guy
+--- 2561098
+>>2550048
+This guy is correct you have to just go out and look you can spot pretty easy if s place is abandoned and every building I've been hasn't had security that's mostly big places you see on the internet that's why people gatekeep locations so retards don't ruin it for the rest of us
+--- 2561530
+I like setting up creepy scenes in these places
+--- 2561536
+>>2556179
+If you don't like it then stop posting.
+--- 2561657
+>>2559807
+seethe
+--- 2561673
+>>2561530
+This is cool. Like found art experience/sculpture. Would love to find this and light the candles. More?
+--- 2561731
+I had a dream last night i was trapped in an abandoned school I was exploring with friends and a tornado came and lifted up the building and everyone died except for me. Then I woke up and got a tornado alert on my phone. I felt like Michael Shannon but we didn't get jack shit anyway
+--- 2562707
+Abandoned car dealership today
+--- 2562827
+>>2550045 (OP)
+>how do you get into urbex?
+You don't . Stay on the interwebz and leave the /out/doors for the rest of us
+--- 2562830
+>>2562707
+I'm getting The Long Dark vibes with that scene
+--- 2563223
+I wish I had a lockpick yhe prices eurotard pay fr Levi's I would loot this In a heartbeat
+--- 2563226
+>>2550052
+>>2550045 (OP)
+any location you can find info online sucks or doesn't exist anymore.
+people either ransack those spots or the owners shut it down because of the traffic.
+learn to find your own spots or meet someone local who will show you shit. learn your area's history. that's a good starting point for finding out what kinds of places might exist abandoned and be worth checking out. google earth is pretty nifty too.
+--- 2563362
+Nestolgic booba
+--- 2563714
+>>2550048
+This guy has a point
+--- 2566075
+>>2563362
+damn they weren't lying, those shits are pointy
+--- 2566179
+>>2561673
+Unfortunately someone did light the candles and started a fire
+--- 2568432
+>>2559660
+Belgian anon here, I'd be interested in meeting up with you if you don't live too far. I live near Antwerp in Flanders.
+
+>So many places in Belgium getting demolished lately
+Real, recently visited that famous HFB factory in Liege again and those demolition faggots are making progress.
+--- 2568453
+>>2551287
+Danke :)
+--- 2568499
+>>2551287
+Is there anything like this for US locations?
+--- 2568510
+>>2550045 (OP)
+Everywhere the crackheads also go when they do heavy tweaking. Urbex is composed of crackheads, taggers, and hikers with mental illness.

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+-----
+--- 2550817
+any /out/ist have any handicaps? ranging from hayfever to more serious things?
+--- 2550820
+>>2550817 (OP)
+If you count crippling autism and schizophrenia; then 90% of this board is disabled.
+Include retardation, and it’s 99.9999% (I’m the exception, obviously:) )
+--- 2550823
+>>2550820
+>obviously
+--- 2550824
+>>2550817 (OP)
+of course, schizophrenia, autism, and terminal mental retardation. speaking for myself, I don't know what everyone else's deal is
+--- 2550831
+>>2550817 (OP)
+I herniated a disc in my back years ago and need to take a short break to stretch every once in a while. No big deal really, but I don't do long hikes through rough territory anymore.
+--- 2550850
+autism and brain damage
+--- 2551226
+>>2550817 (OP)
+I have been diagnosed with SGMS (sluggish gluteus maximus syndrome, aka laziness of the ass) that greatly impacts my ability to enjoy the outdoors. I have applied to get governmental support.
+--- 2551235
+>>2550817 (OP)
+I've had knee surgery and my back and joints are all fucked up from a decade of physical labor. I've got a genetic collagen issue that makes my joints all loose. It means I get tired more easily and will be in pain before anyone else. You suck it up and deal with it. I'm 30. I'm way more stiff than people my age with the same activity level. I have to train harder than my peers and it does more damage to my body. 
+
+I take breaks when I need them and don't do physical activities unless it "feels" right. Still go scrambling in boulder fields in the middle of nowhere. I don't let anyone rush me. Know your limits and be realistic with yourself.
+--- 2551248
+>>2550817 (OP)
+I have horrendous allergies 3/4 of the year for most of my life, peaking from 2017-2022. I have no clue what changed but this year I have barely needed any anti-histamine, whereas before winter time was the only period I had a break. Usually I was taking ephedrine daily to cope with the intense inflammation and fatigue, last year even needing albuterol to beat lung inflammation back. For those of you who have similar circumstances, I tried some nasal spray with xylitol for about 2 months to kill any fungal growth in my sinuses and that may or may not have helped. I did most of my outdoors during the winter when everything was dead but maybe this year I can finally enjoy some spring/summer time.
+--- 2551252
+I’m diabetic. The real disease not the fat people ailment. My energy levels are not what they should be and I have to carry a lot of extra stuff as well as manage a lot of extra economies as I hike. Long trips are significantly more complicated. But I get into all national parks for free so there’s that
+--- 2551256
+>>2551248
+Not nearly as bad for me but I was perpetually sniffly until I discovered fluticasone spray. Before that I would just pop a benadryl and power through the drowsiness, one time I got it so bad I could barely see because my eyes were basically flooded.
+--- 2551259
+i have Osteopetrosis, essentially, my bones are garbage.
+so i go slower on descents, and take less risks of falling
+--- 2551265
+I have nerve damage all down the left side of my ribcage and my stress level has an impact on its severity. When I'm /out/ the pain is greatly diminished to the point I forget that I have to take my pain meds.
+--- 2551266
+>>2551256
+that's like afrin right? Those things have crazy rebound friend. The one thing that killed all my symptoms for a short time was prednisone, and I felt the best I had in 10 years but the problem is those drugs rape your immune system. 
+
+Its honestly a balance between symptom management and not being on poisonous drugs. Most of my symptoms were concentrated in my nose and chest, with the chest issue being aggravated by post nasal drip. Have you dried drugs with psuedo/regular ephedrine before? It clears up chest and nose like no other and obviously has no drowsiness but its bad for your heart long term.
+--- 2551272
+>>2551266
+Supposedly doesn't cause rebound, can give me a nasty sore throat though if I'm not careful in administering. 
+>Its honestly a balance between symptom management and not being on poisonous drugs
+I agree, I've taken to drinking more tea as a result. Mucinex does wonders for my chest congestion but I think that's a result of my former weed habit.
+--- 2551361
+>>2551259
+Do you sink in water? Did it influence your facial bones? That's a rare one.
+--- 2551401
+I have really shitty eyes, both of them are around -12.
+--- 2551632
+>>2551361
+>Do you sink in water?
+no not really, used to do a lot of swimming when i was younger
+>Did it influence your facial bones?
+no, i am short though, and my right leg is slightly shorter then my left but not enough to cause problems
+
+i mainly just have complications from old fractures and the hospital are starting to check my blood more due to increasing levels of iron, for some reason, actually have a honest to god bloodletting session next week to see if that helps lol
+>That's a rare one.
+yea, its pretty shit, but hey, never lived without it so i cant say!
+--- 2551633
+the outdoors should be accessible to all
+--- 2551643
+>>2550817 (OP)
+I have erectile dysfunction, does that count?
+--- 2551658
+>>2551643
+i mean, could indicate blood circulation issues, so ... i guess
+--- 2551856
+>>2550850
+how did you get Brian damage?
+--- 2551859
+speech impediment. being alone in the wilderness is the only place i dont constantly feel like a reject
+--- 2551867
+>>2551859
+stay strong king
+--- 2552048
+>>2551856
+>> Brian damage
+--- 2552069
+>>2550817 (OP)
+I've got PTSD, Fibromyalgia and some other mental disorders which nobody will believe me if I said them
+However, mobility aids like walking sticks or trekking poles are more or less normalized while outdoors so I can use my mobility aids without lookin like a 22 year old faker
+Being /out/ actually really helps with my PTSD for obvious reasons. I think the best part of it is when there's no internet and whoever you're going with (or if you're just going solo) has to be in the moment and can't text their 500 fuckboys on snapchat or whatever and you can actually have normal interactions with them
+--- 2552110
+>>2552069
+How did ypu get PTSD, if ypu don't mind me asking? I have a friend, tank driver, military man through and through, and he always says he just doesn't know who he is when not deployed so he just keeps signing up for tours, making music helps him though, top bloke
+--- 2552130
+>>2552069
+>Fibromyalgia
+45-year-old hypochondriac roastie detected
+--- 2552267
+>>2552110
+Serial neglect, my 3 older siblings beat the shit out of me and I wasn't ever allowed to have friends growing up
+>>2552130
+I'm 22 and chronic pain is a bitch
+I still rock climb tho but it fucking sucks when walking to and from classes makes me want to curl up into a ball and die
+--- 2552306
+>>2551252
+Anon I'm a type 1 and feel great. Take better care of yourself or else the fat type 2s win. Also how do you get into parks for free?
+--- 2552471
+>>2552306
+
+The cardiovascular strain from lifetime elevated A1C is measurable and impactful. I’m still faster and stronger than most people but it’s a handicap none the less. For the card, We’re covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Go to a local ranger station and fill out a piece of paper, they give you a card then and there. Free admittance and vehicle access to all national parks for life.
+--- 2552498
+>>2550817 (OP)
+I have arm pain, probably RSI with tendinosis 
+Day hikes are kino but I’m not getting a pair of trekking poles anytime soon
+A shame, really, because for some summit hikes here, one good wind blast could push you over the edge for 1000' roll downhill 
+Had to chicken out and not go because it was windy one day
+--- 2552536
+>>2552267
+>I wasn't ever allowed to have friends growing up
+Jehovas Witnesses or something? shit bro, stay strong
+--- 2552541
+>>2550817 (OP)
+Not so much a handicap but I have ADHD and when I go hiking it normally takes me forever to do a hike because I always get distracted looking at cool shit. Sometimes quite literally shit. Like whenever I see wombat's shit I will intently stare at it and try to figure out how old it is and where this wombat is going and what he ate.
+
+My gf usually has to force me to keep going
+--- 2552572
+>>2552541
+>80HD
+--- 2552727
+>>2552536
+If it were from a cult or something, I'd at least have some fingers to point, but nope my parents were just that fucking evil
+--- 2552739
+>>2552541
+>says he has ADHD
+>also says he gets so focused looking at shit that someone has to move him along
+I have good news and bad news
+--- 2552795
+Depression. I almost killed myself on my last outing.
+--- 2552827
+>>2552795
+do you have any support structure around you? please reach out
+--- 2552829
+>>2550817 (OP)
+>https://youtu.be/5zyNkSsA3-s [Embed]
+--- 2552842
+Just the normal crippling back pain from living a life of outdoor sports and working like a motherfucker in the outdoors. Athletes die twice.
+--- 2552850
+>>2552795
+Chemical or environmental? I was in a fucking horrendous state until I started going back to Church.
+--- 2552937
+>>2552541
+same here, it's insane how stimulating nature is. I would've thought I'd find it much more boring than normal people do, but no, I can just sit forever listening to the subtlest of sounds or go around looking for lichens or some shit.
+--- 2552952
+autism, the diagnosed kind not the everyone is a schizo autist retard I wanna feel special kind mentioned in 2550820
+--- 2552956
+>>2552572
+For me it's A HD TV
+>>2552739
+I have always had a hyper focused fascination with animals and nature.
+>>2552937
+It's so comfy
+--- 2552960
+Yes, I have insomnia and when I am /out/ the shadow people don't come for me, rather its just a friendly night animal like a wombat or possum looking for some bread
+--- 2552962
+>>2550817 (OP)
+my right elbow is fucked. i cant straighten that arm at all. its not painful tho so ive learned to live with it.
+
+also im deadly allergic to cats. entered the tent of a cat owner and withing 30min was wheezing & dying. real shame cos i like cats
+--- 2553182
+>>2552962
+we used to have a cat as kid, my dad loved it and it loved him, would sleep on him on the couch and genuinely be worried if he didnt come home, but then he became allergic.
+thankfully it could be taken by my moms sisters friend and it is now in South Africa, it still reacts seeing my dad on facetime calls though
+--- 2554098
+not strictly /out/ but a pretty funny moment yesterday, i´m going in to get my blood tapped, for increased levels of iron in my blood, liver and heart.
+i stroll in, not really giving a shit because i am completely desensitized to hospital stuff at this point, just sit down on a chair, now this dawns on me, this is not just a blood test, when i see the size of the needle.
+eh, fuck it whatever.
+in comes another patient, guy, maybe mid forties, former military, nervous as fuck, and im just telling stories, feeling the warm red juice leaving my body, and i notice im slurring my words
+
+and i fucking black out, one second a cute medical student is taking my blood, next 3 doctors 
+
+at least i got a yoghurts and apple juice, worst part is that they think they might need to do that either once a week or every seccond week
+--- 2554103
+>>2554098
+me to tough army guy
+>nothing to worry about!
+
+>proceeds to pass out and bleed everywhere
+who am i, where am i? orange juice? yea nice!
+--- 2554491
+>>2551252
+Same, always pack way more food than I need but all the same, the worry of a serious low out in the backcountry haunts me.
+--- 2554495
+>>2552471
+you get a discount on camping/use permits on most federal land as well. Recreation/gov website will let you input your America the Beautiful access pass when checking out.
+--- 2554638
+>>2554098
+Where’s all the iron coming from? Are you going to have to do this forever, or just until your iron levels get normal and stay there?
+--- 2554652
+>>2554638
+>Where’s all the iron coming from?
+i eat a bowl of nails for breakfast, no lol, its just that my body doesnt get rid of it like normal, so its probably been piling up for years
+>Are you going to have to do this forever, or just until your iron levels get normal and stay there?
+first we are going to see if we can get it to normal levels, then more test to see if it rises again, then probably forever
+--- 2555060
+I had pretty damn bad eyesight, -7,5 in both eyes. 
+I had to wear bottle-end thick eyeglasses, and if I misplaced or lost them, I was seriously limited on what I could do.
+
+Took a femtolasik laser surgery and now my eyesight is good enough that I could get a pilots license without any need for glasses.
+Best damn thing I ever got. really felt like I was out of crutches.
+Best part is that even if shit hits the fan and I go completly broke and bankrupt, the repo-men will NOT take my eyes back.
+--- 2555177
+>>2550817 (OP)
+Forgot to tie my bootlaces once, left fly unzipped one morning, also once went for a hike with a haircut I ended up not really being in love love with so I would say adversity and I are old comrades. Rise above. Be the change you believe in want to seeing.
+--- 2555401
+>>2550817 (OP)
+Does browsing 4Chan count?
+--- 2556758
+>>2555401
+that would be the free square in the /out/ disability bingo card
+--- 2557493
+Does mental shit count?
+I have a shit-ton of mental illnesses. But that all wouldn´t matter, if I didn´t have Agroaphobia.
+I literally can´t leave my home for a distance longer than 30 minutes, or else I get panic attacks, to the point of fainting and/or throwing up.
+I can´t do shit. I have all this gear, even though it´s just milsurp, and I can´t put it to use because my faggot brain decides to become an absolute retard the second I step outside.
+My entire life is a fucking prison. I want to get a motorcycle, travel the Balkans on it, camping in the wild...
+Can´t do anything. I´m working on it though, if I feel up to the task.
+I go on walks in the night sometimes, and I try to self medicate with a root-powder called Ashwaganda, and it really helps.
+I hope someday I´ll get over this fucking shit. I really hate sitting at home my whole life.
+--- 2557516
+I've got mild cerebral palsy in my legs, but when medicated it's not too bad. I can walk almost as much as much as the next person (but it never feels like much fun). When people say "I've got bad knees" and they actually mean it, that's about the level I'm at. 
+
+As long as I don't walk too far while out, or carry too much weight, I'll be fine.
+--- 2557617
+>>2557493
+Just find a way to procure a few acres in remote territory and work remotely, that way your land is just an extension of your home. Any trespassers spell icup with their life and you get to live in solitude with nature.
+--- 2557646
+>>2557617
+Thanks for the advice, but I live in cucked Germany.
+And my mental health makes it impossible for me to hold a job long enough to save up money.
+But I´m sure things will get better, and I´ll get out of this. 
+Even though I´ve been severely mentally ill for almost 20 years now. Started in my early teens.
+But I´m working on it. My next step is getting a drivers license. That way I´ll use my car as some kind of FOB, to retreat to whenever I get panic attacks.
+Key is never giving up, and I don´t plan on doing so.
+--- 2557985
+>>2557646
+God is good anon. Keep pushing through the bullshit. Go outside and hold the beautiful German soil in your hands for me and I'm not even kidding, doesn't even matter if you're in a city and that soil comes from a tree planted next to the curb. I owe half of my blood to that land, we're here talking over 4chan but connected to a a greater tree a thousand years before. Isn't it incredible? We are blessed in such small ways that its honestly hard to see them as we try and trudge through the tough day to day grind made even more difficult by our personal illnesses and issues. 
+
+We'll make it brother. Don't give up.
+--- 2559418
+>>2551248
+This may sound like a meme but before I always had pretty bad allergies (tonsillitis) but when I started taking purely cold showers around 6-7 months ago it drastically reduced my fatigue. I think it has to do with regulating body temperature. That and I also stopped drinking coca cola sodas and much less soda in general and I started drinking a bunch of water and I feel pretty normal.
+--- 2561013
+>>2555177
+kek
+--- 2561903
+>>2559418
+I drink yogitea (original) right now. Just one bag for like 1.5-2 Liters. It's pretty awesome.
+--- 2561905
+>>2561903
+Oh, I also got an amputated right leg.
+I'm to ambitious with walking actually, so my doc told me to keep it light on walking.
+I'll get a new prosthesis next week, so I'll be back in the game.
+I live a 5 min walk from the next lake and the next forest. It's very tempting.
+--- 2561932
+autism, chronic sinusitis and tinnitus that I know off. But there's also something wrong with the left side of my head, which gives me blurry vision in one eye, migraines, this weird "shaky" feeling in my ear when I smile, and if I go underwater my ear hurts. It's been like this for like 6 years now and I haven't bothered to get it checked, despite it really affecting my sleep and makes me really stressed out sometimes, it's also why I can't sleep outside anymore, that and the tinnitus. 
+I hate going to the doctor as I feel like a crybaby going there and it's such a hassle, so it is what it is
+--- 2561936
+>>2561932
+Dude. I'm like totally retarded.
+You fucking need to get that shit checked. I've spent some time half deaf and after years I went to check it out and three weeks later I had perfect stereo hearing.
+MOVE YOUR ASS!
+--- 2561954
+>>2561936
+Where do I even start and say to the doctor?
+--- 2561955
+>>2561954
+One problem, next problem, the problem after that. Most of that can be helped.
+Where are you from, what's the insurance situation?
+--- 2562254
+>>2550817 (OP)
+I'm a few pounds overweight and wear glasses
+--- 2562301
+>>2550817 (OP)
+>hayfever
+for the other hayfever/allergies bros i reccomend getting mizollen 10mg mizolastine pills. They cut out about 70-80% of my symptoms, although i usually use them with a nasal spray too. They seem pretty expensive online but i get them for free in my country so i guess it depends where you live.
+--- 2562342
+I have a slightly bum leg. a congenital deal that left me with less muscle in my right leg and a bit shorter. It sucks but I have never let it stop me getting /out. I dont hike fast or even super far but I do get out. I also, bike, ski, fish etc...but hiking is where it come most into play. trekking poles rule and allow me to go farther.
+--- 2564292
+>>2562254
+and you post on /out/
+--- 2564383
+>>2550817 (OP)
+Yeah I'm retarded
+--- 2564430
+>vestibular migraines
+>tinnitus from blowing my ears out in a shooting accident
+>herniated disc from a bad deadlift pull
+I can live with the upper two but my back problem affects my /out/ings and makes me want to KMS
+--- 2565861
+bum knee from an accident. i fuck it up and have to hobble after every single backpacking trip, so i can rarely do more than 2 nights without risking myself getting stranded.
+--- 2565863
+>>2564430
+You live in snap city, not the outdoors sorry bro
+--- 2566180
+>>2550817 (OP)
+Stage 4 autism
+--- 2567006
+>>2552795
+
+Same.
+
+Woulda been a good spot too.
+--- 2567007
+>>2552937
+
+Same, then I go home and look a google earth a few hours a day till I go out again. Got to know the size of the catchment area and all that important stuff.
+--- 2567008
+>>2550817 (OP)
+Crippling porno addiction. I wish I was joking. 
+
+And why did we shorten “pornography” to “porn” when “porno” was perfectly sufficient? Why doesn’t anyone say “porno” anymore?
+--- 2567011
+>>2550817 (OP)
+Cerebral Palsy, but its pretty minor. Just means that I walk with a limp and have weaker legs than average.
+--- 2567027
+Crohn's disease which made me basically not go outside from age 13-30 until I got a colostomy. Always scared of shitting myself, or if I could find a toilet, of being stuck there for an hour while people had to wait for me. Not able to eat because eating means shitting, always malnourished. Now, with the colostomy, shitting and eating is no longer a problem, but I feel a little more fragile considering the risk of getting a hernia while stretching/lifting is severe and I'm always carrying my fucking exposed intestines around in front of me. 
+
+Also, massive massive ADHD like that other guy. If a sign says "1 hour" it's gonna take me 2 because every tree is more interesting than the one before. And I need to bring weed and a bottle of wine everywhere I go.
+All in all, it's alright if I'm not doing anything longer than 8 hours.
+--- 2567078
+>>2567027
+>If a sign says "1 hour" it's gonna take me 2 because every tree is more interesting than the one before
+Based nature enjoyer
+--- 2567401
+>>2550817 (OP)
+I have a severe condition that causes my hands and crotch to be constantly sticky. it started happening around the time I turned 12 and my parents kept telling me not to touch myself in public, but it just itched so bad it was unreal. thankfully when i'm /out/ there aren't many people to harass me about my condition, and those that do I just look them dead in the eye while I rub my itch and they go away.
+--- 2567413
+>>2567027
+>Crohn's disease
+I had a couple girlfriend's who had that. I kind of think they thought I was dating material since I wasn't judgemental. One I wasn't physically intimate with because I was kind of awkward and the other I took to prom and made out with after. The first was morbidly obes but surprisingly strong. The second was almost anorexic but actually cute and funny which was why I asked her to prom. Neither one told me much about how Crohn's disease effected their life other than restricting their diet. The first girl needed surgery but she's got kids now so I guess she's doing okay. I hope everything works out for you anon, remember you're not alone.
+
+>ADHD
+I can empathize personally with this one. I have ADD so while I'm not as hyperactive most of the time, I get spaced out and distracted easily. Just today I was on a riverpath in my city and I spotted a snapping turtle on a rock just off the bank. My first thought was to try sneaking up and catching it, so I crept down the 6 foot bank, nearly slipping more than once. I stood on the floodplain (flat area near the water that get flooded frequently and waited to see if it saw me. It kept looking around and tucking it's heaf in it's shell away from me, but I was cautious nonetheless. On a side note I think this is what distinguishes ADD from ADHD, because if I was hyperactive I probably would have just gone straight for it rather than cautiously sit and observe. Just as I had stood up to move toward it again some guy walking his dog asked me how I got down there. He came down to wash his leash in the river, walked towards the turtle without ever seeing it as it jumped in the water, probably because of his sunglasses. He was a nice guy, we chatted about dogs and hiking for a bit before he left.
+
+I truly believe ADD/ADHD exists because of hunting. Our ancestors needed to be constantly on the look out for signs that something was trying to hide from us. Don't take it for granted.
+--- 2567416
+>>2550817 (OP)
+nope but i still use the disabled people bathroom stall because fuck you you dont get to feel special because you were born too retarded to move your legs
+--- 2567417
+>>2567401
+That’s not a seve-, what the fuck?
+--- 2567484
+>>2567417
+it's joke about puberty.
+--- 2567927
+>>2561932
+Anon pls go to the doctor desu don't make me worry about you

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+-----
+--- 2551422
+>>2551400 (OP)
+If you stay out of progressive urban centers you will be fine.
+--- 2551431
+>>2551400 (OP)
+I see backpackers in my town pretty often, you'll be fine as long as you don't start begging/panhandling.
+--- 2551432
+>>2551431
+How often are hitchhikers actually killed in America, movies got me worried.
+--- 2551440
+>>2551432
+It's extremely rare, according to FBI stats.
+--- 2551441
+>>2551432
+First: American media is largely made by Wealthy White Americans crawling over each other like maggots to socially signal to each other how much they hate the wealthy, white people, and America.
+Also, The US is large, both in distance and population, individual events should be considered against a population of 330 million.
+--- 2551453
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Very. Luck all other travel advice, be careful in poor areas.
+--- 2551505
+>>2551400 (OP)
+>How safe is Backpacking across America for an unarmed tourist?
+Backpacking across America would be boring as hell, at least the Midwest. And the climate alone would kill you in the Southwest if you got stranded and were unprepared.
+Now if you mean hitchhiking instead, that hasn't been without risk since the Sixties. In my lifetime I count the number of times I got a ride or gave one on one hand (and I'm typically armed).
+--- 2551508
+>>2551432
+I need to know your race and gender to answer that question accurately.
+--- 2551545
+>>2551440
+It’s true.
+--- 2551547
+>>2551400 (OP)
+It's incredibly dangerous. Why the hell would you subject yourself to something like that?
+--- 2551567
+>>2551547
+shut the fuck up urbanite
+--- 2551584
+I have picked up 3 backpacking hitchhikers, all of them were male and smelled really bad. 2 of them begged me for money but wouldn't let me buy them food at which point I kicked them out, and one of those two absolutely reeked of alcohol and weed. 1 of them ate lunch with me and was decent to talk to, but he was also really fat so I assume he wasn't actually backpacking and just lived in the area as a beggar because he also didn't have anything to say about places he had been.
+
+All in all, I probably won't pick up any more hitchhikers, they somehow give off this entitled aura. None of them thanked me for the distance I drove them, or were able to entertain me in some way. And the two that I kicked out were outright aggressive because I wouldn't give them money. I'm autistic so I don't really get that "feeling of accomplishment" or whatever from doing a "good deed", but maybe I'll try picking up a girl hitchhiker if I see one again. I'm just scared of sexual advances and women in general, so I've been avoiding them.
+--- 2551587
+>>2551400 (OP)
+As safe as any other 3rd world shithole
+--- 2551596
+>>2551567
+Shush, larper. The adults are talking.
+--- 2551683
+>>2551587
+>ching chong chang ching chong
+this is an English speaking board please post in English so people don't have to translate, Xang.
+--- 2551689
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Kek if you're a foreigner in the US the police won't even come looking for you when something happens. You'll disappear and they'll file a report. Your name will be on some register and that'll be the end of you. 
+
+You'll just be missing forever.
+--- 2551709
+>>2551689
+depends on which country you're from...more specifically how white your native country is. If you're from Scandinavia or Switzerland--for example--you will probably get search parties but if you're brown....ya, sorry not sorry.
+--- 2551710
+>>2551709
+I'm from Scandinavia, so guess i'm good then
+--- 2551720
+>>2551683
+How’s East Palestine doing?
+That’s some 3rd world shit; literally Bhopal-tier
+--- 2551787
+it's safe.
+--- 2551789
+>>2551720
+Or Flint Michigan. America is a third world country in a Gucci belt.
+--- 2551802
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Fairly safe. Canadian here.
+
+ I hitchhiked the appalachian mountains from New York to Georgia. That was a great trip and most of my rides came from park rangers up and down the trail and other tourists. And did the cascade mountain from Washington state to California. Ive also hitchhiked across the midwest.
+
+In the midwest I ran into trouble. I was robbed in Chicago and then again in Milwaukee 2 days later. Finding a ride or population center are few and far between but when I made my way into Northern WI, upper Michigan and Minnesota was it nothing but super friendly people. 
+
+The west coast was also decent until I hung out with a bunch of other homeless people in Portland OR. They ended up stealing my cooking pot, sleeping bag, and some clothing outside of Sacramento before disappering.
+I would avoid huge cities if possible.
+--- 2551807
+>>2551802
+>it was safe until I went to Chicago, Milwaukee, Portland, and Sacramento
+And why is that?
+--- 2551839
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Avoid big cities. Suburban midwest is and rural western America is probably the safest area you'll ever be. Appalachians get pretty cracked out, and the nigger cities are all bad 24/7, other than that you should be fine.
+>You can buy a big knife with no licensing here
+Take advantage of this if it makes you feel safer. Unfortunately there is no non-citizen gun program kek, but you can technically (illegally) buy one privately in a state like AZ if you really wanted to. I do not recommend breaking any laws while you're here, I'm just sharing information.
+--- 2551841
+>>2551802
+Funny how the evil Nazi rednecks will leave you in peace or render advice and assistance while the vibrant and progressive urban nexuses are riddled with crime and people who'd step over you if you collapsed in the street, isn't it?
+
+Say, where does the anti-working class propaganda come from, anyway? Oh right, the vibrant and progressive urban nexuses. Hmmm....
+--- 2551894
+If you stay out of inner cities and don't actively fuck with people you chances of being murdered are literally 0%
+--- 2551922
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Kansas City and Albuquerque, New Mexico. Are the only two cities I actively avoid just because shit people. Well besides shit in Florida- and Washington, DC and New York. Consider using cities to hop through to better ones using the Greyhound service.
+--- 2551925
+>>2551922
+>actively avoids cities because of shit people
+>doesn't avoid Greyhound because of shit people
+--- 2551942
+>>2551807
+>>2551841
+Dude, both of you got me 100% wrong. Ive always hated cities, but at the same time I never explore them either. That and the food is usually fantastic. Urban decay isn't something Id gloat about. This is your fucking country bud. Clean it up. 
+
+I grew up in fuck nowhere Ontario. Only Americans I ever meet were people doing fishing trips. I ended up working for a fly-in resort and got an opportunity to go down to the US and do a show as an exibtor/salesman representing our lodge. There i got the idea of doing a backpack trip for about a month or so and see how far I get on a fixed budget of so much a day. I had an emergency fund of 2k to get me home. Best investment was a $50 mountain bike through the Appalachian trail. When I bent the rim I posted looking for a rim and boom got one for free after explaining my journey. Ran into a ton of that from the rural folks who were more than happy to help me out.
+--- 2551946
+>>2551925
+Greyhound bus stations are strict. And will leave your ass and don't fuck around with nigger shit like a waffle house. But if you end up near say Albuquerque. Why the fuk would you want to walk across that hot ass desert? When for about 150 bucks or less you can get the fuk out of there to a much nicer and greater distance. Riding through there is miserable enough in the early summer.. dunno why you would want to be outdoors to see legit nothing for DAYS. I thought I was gonna die of dehydration just being out there on a motorcycle- because free water fillups were rare as fuck. Almost every rest stop in Southern Utah, Arizona and New Mexico. Water fountains were broken or just not working. I have two wheels and can cover distances at 75miles an hour. And still would feel the need to fill my spare gallon jug in fear of how much longer before I'd find clean drinking water.
+--- 2551947
+>>2551942
+>Dude, both of you got me 100% wrong.
+Nothing in your entire response indicates that I misunderstood you, and generally speaking I agree with your views, so you must have gotten me wrong.
+>Urban decay isn't something Id gloat about. This is your fucking country bud. Clean it up. 
+Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I too grew up rural, and city problems are not my problems to fix, even if I could, which I can't. I'm not going to devote my life to crusading for a lost cause when I can spend it /out/doors, away from the madness.
+
+Now whether or not I can avoid and sidestep our country's problems for my entire life or if they'll catch up to me eventually even out here (I'm 40, so about 40 to go) is up for debate.
+--- 2552083
+>>2551596
+I would be really really sad if I lived a sheltered, concrete and steel life like yours
+--- 2552084
+>>2551720
+I know you're either a zoomer or English isn't your first language based on your misunderstanding of the term 3rd world.
+--- 2552097
+>>2551400 (OP)
+It's extremely dangerous you should definitely stay away and go back where you came from
+--- 2552112
+>>2552084
+I’m aware that the term as to do with the sides in WW1, I’m not using it literally.
+Truth is, the US shares many of the same problems with literal 3rd world countries, which is why I call it one too.
+You don’t see train derailments like this in 80+% White countries, and if it did happen the government would actually do something about it instead of basically nothing
+--- 2552128
+>>2551400 (OP)
+This is mildly entertaining and has decent tips. Long story short if you don't watch it, hardly anyone in the US picks up hitchhikers. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_japiE6QKWrCfn7NFL86bRSWez5DTDWt
+--- 2552178
+>>2552112
+EU has double the amount of train derailments per year as the US does.
+--- 2552184
+>>2552178
+Well that’s an easily verifiable lie, it’s about the same, but by “like this” I’m talking about ones with huge fucking chemical spills.
+That’s the first thing I posted, the E Palestine spill, so sorry if you are retarded liar and can’t follow context
+--- 2552187
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Stay off of my property and you'll be fine.
+Not telling you where it is or how big it is, though.
+It's YOUR job to figure that out.
+--- 2552188
+>>2552187
+How bout I don't.
+--- 2552197
+>>2552184
+How is it a lie? Both stats are easily visible as they're tracked by the governments in question, in 2022 Europe had 4400 collisions+derailments and the US had 2700.
+>by “like this” I’m talking about ones with huge fucking chemical spills.
+Serbia (83% Serbian) had a train wreck that spilled Ammonia everywhere and also killed 50 people, not even 4 months ago. I'm sure I'll get some cope about how Serbia isn't white now or something.
+>government would do something instead of nothing
+The government did do something, they chose to burn off the chemical before it entered the water table directly. Whether it was the right choice is still up for debate, but saying they did nothing is also just wrong.
+
+Why are Europeans so obsessed with the US? It's so fucking sad.
+--- 2552387
+>>2552197
+You’re right, it is easily checked, which is why I know you’re a filthy liar 
+>https://www.statista.com/statistics/1128848/accidents-on-european-rail-networks-by-country/
+Add them up and it’s around 1,400, which is even more impressive considering that rail traffic in Europe is probably like 5x as much if not more.
+>Serbia
+First you said the EU, and Serbia is not in the EU.
+The government didn’t burn off the chemicals, the rail company did.
+The government isn’t doing shit to help as far as aid goes because the government is anti-White.
+I don’t live in Europe, ryou stupid gorilla nigger.
+I live in the Midwest, which is how I know the US is basically a 3rd world shithole
+--- 2552389
+>>2552188
+You'll be in an unmarked shallow grave before anyone knows what happened to you.
+--- 2552400
+>>2552389
+You won't do shit.
+--- 2552415
+>>2552389
+Lmaooo mr 2nd amendment over here
+You are so badass
+--- 2552778
+>>2552415
+If you're ever on my property without my permission, you'll find out.
+Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
+--- 2552847
+>>2551400 (OP)
+If you mean walking across the US, you'll need to walk on at least 1800 miles of roads which is the most dangerous thing you can do. If you mean traveling in general it's pretty safe if you stay out of shitty neighborhoods.
+--- 2552852
+>>2552847
+Assuming you don't get mugged, shot, raped, or randomly incarcerated, it's pretty safe yeah.
+--- 2552929
+>>2552112
+>Nip nog chang ching chong ching
+I told you, English, chang
+>>2552084
+This website is loaded with subhumans that hate America and obsessivly post the same rants over and over.
+--- 2553155
+>>2552929
+Why do you like living in a gay mulatto stud farm that worships jews?
+--- 2553157
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Safe enough that you won't drone striked by accident. Unsafe enough that you're better off carrying a firearm
+--- 2553228
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Most crime in the US is concentrated in a relatively small number of bad neighborhoods in urban areas. Other than that, these are the precautions I would take:
+1. Carry bear spray at the very least.
+2. If you are going to be passing through southern border states, be aware of signs of cartel activity and leave the area if you notice any.
+--- 2553359
+>>2551584
+Anon, what you picked up were homeless people, not recreational backpackers or hikers. Hikers wouldn’t beg for money or turn down food, as they have their trips budgeted and aren’t completely broke. 
+
+Of course both homeless people and backpackers will stink, as neither has east access to regular showers.
+--- 2553365
+>>2553228
+>>2551894
+lol
+--- 2553370
+>>2551400 (OP)
+pretty safe, there's only one or two documented serial killers on the appalachian trail since the 80s and only 6 hikers go missing a year on average, usually not the long distance ones. pct is even safer, and the other ones have limited data available. unless you run into an israel keyes or can't into weather forecasts and compasses you're gucci my man.
+--- 2555371
+Just avoid leftist areas and places where people go missing often sometimes areas are more dangerous (shit roads, harsh weather, agressive wildlife) and people don't realise.
+Your biggest threat 90% of time is other people.
+--- 2555496
+>>2555476
+What the fuck are trail angels
+--- 2555499
+>>2551584
+>I'm just scared of sexual advances and women in general, so I've been avoiding them.
+Kek, me too! I start shaking and get poopoopeepee.
+--- 2555511
+>>2552387
+>I live in the Midwest
+America is a massive and diverse country with heavily localized governments. This leads us to have the best of the best as well as the worst of the worst. Part of being an adult is choosing where you want to live (you have to be 18 to post here), so if you live in a shit hole and are not taking any steps to leave said shit hole or make it not a shithole, that's on you. There are plenty of places in the Midwest that aren't third world tier, you're just too much of a loser to get there.
+--- 2555731
+>>2553155
+>Ching chang nip nag nong
+How many times do I have to tell you--English, subhuman.
+--- 2555734
+>>2555496
+Boomers who think they're literal angels for handing out some bottled water
+--- 2555741
+>>2551492
+and we hate them back
+source: rabbi held a class on the evils of hollywood and how according to the talmud that is brought up so much they will be burning in gehenna (hell)
+--- 2555746
+>>2555579
+That sounds sketchy as shit.
+--- 2556160
+>>2555746
+Ask me how I know you're an urbanite.
+My family in montana doesn't lock their doors because if they aren't home people can still come in side if there is an emergency...their entire county is 99% white though--so there's that.
+--- 2556275
+>>2555746
+>t. resident of diverse and vibrant city
+Towns and cities used to be that way too for a long time. Some unnamed ingredient was added, and it all changed.
+--- 2556282
+>>2556160
+I lived in a crowded suburb with a lot of middle class immigrant families from Japan, China, India, and a few black families. Never locked my door growing up. Never locked up my bike. Walked around at all hours of the night and had friendly chats with the bored cops. 
+
+Moved to a rural town that had a healthy white trash community. Holy shit did that wake me up. Meth heads are animals. White trash is common and just as horrible as black trash. There's no denying it.
+--- 2556767
+>>2556282
+>Things that never happened: the post
+wow xang, you're really going for it here aren't you
+--- 2556771
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Just get a gun. It's very easy here. You never know when you'll need to shoot a hitchhiker.
+--- 2556780
+>>2556771
+...I always know when I need to shoot a hitchhiker though...
+--- 2556804
+>>2556160
+>>2556275
+>>2556767
+You've never lived in a rural area, have you. No, mommy and daddy's house on the golf course in suburbia doesn't count.
+--- 2557423
+>>2556804
+I live on the outskirts of suburbia. Farm fields to the horizon start about 4-5 miles from me, so yes, you are correct.
+--- 2557676
+>>2551400 (OP)
+A tent is an obvious indication of homelessness, and because the homeless commit the vast majority of crime in the US, anybody who is in possession of a tent is probably a criminal. Since the overloaded justice system and overcrowded prisons don't deter crime it's up to everybody else to fix the problem, which naturally includes beating to death people who are carrying tents or sleeping in them. If you want to travel in the US we have more than enough hotels to accommodate you, along with an extensive transportation system that includes airline service and car rentals.
+--- 2557745
+>>2557676
+Nothing you said is true.
+--- 2557808
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Which America, North or South?
+--- 2557869
+>>2557478
+Uh, anon, I worked in 'diverse' areas, and my wallet was regularly subject to contest. I understand nig noggitry as well as any man. Not sure why im lumped into this (I was>>2556275)
+--- 2557871
+>>2557869
+mis clicked you and i ban evaded so i couldnt edit
+--- 2557982
+>>2552389
+Fuck Off, Edgelord.
+--- 2558044
+>>2551584
+This is the best post on the board right now and it isn't even close
+--- 2558631
+>>2551432
+I wouldn't worry about it
+*sniiiiiff*
+--- 2558633
+>>2558631
+Pthpthpththth
+--- 2558688
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Just knock on a door in Appalachia and offer 200 bucks for a pistol that may or may not have been used in a murder in 2002.
+--- 2558695
+>>2558688
+Sounds like a good way to end up on the missing persons list.
+--- 2558698
+>>2558044
+>>2551584
+Samefag
+--- 2558699
+Just try not to look like a turkey
+--- 2558701
+>>2558699
+Good post.
+--- 2558799
+>>2551400 (OP)
+i'd pack a 9 to be safe. Personally I work in an industrial area which is in the hood so I open carry.
+--- 2559719
+Safe as fuck...
+
+God, are you faggots that retarded?
+You can walk into the worst neighborhoods in the world and be fine if you have common sense...
+--- 2559761
+I love how you can spot the seething rural people with comments like "Muh liberul cities".
+
+In impoverished rural states like west Virginia, Mississippi or even in places like upstate NY, you won't fine more meth heads/opiate addicts and theviery than in any inner city ghetto. Combined with the fact these counties and municipalities are often corrupt and run by the same incestuous good ol' boys you are far more likely to be hassled or even rob with little immediate recourse. These are also the same boomer retards waving Maga flags and voting for the same politicians that dick them over and then blame the "liberals" in the city.
+I live in NYC and if anything it's too sterile.
+The biggest danger of backpacking in America is litterally getting hit by a car, than any criminal behavior. but I will call out the Euros on this that Americans drive far more conservatively then countries like Italy or France but we also have less mass transit except in some cities.
+--- 2560519
+>>2559761
+You're an idiot. I've lived in suburban, urban, and rural environments and the inner-cities were by far the worst in terms of crime. But since you live in NYC, I encourage you to keep thinking that rural counties are horrible places to live and keep away. You're probably right on one count: your kind isn't well-liked around here and you would quickly be run out of town by the locals who would make life absolute hell for you.
+--- 2560559
+>>2559719
+>God, are you faggots that retarded?
+They really are, and it’s tiresome. I don’t know if it’s Europeans or Zoomers or what, but there’s a lot of cowardice on /out/.
+--- 2561634
+>>2560519
+Your definition of bad/good rural is likely very different, Also there are more shitty rural places that easily fit the category of inner city ghetto. Just replace the gangs and Cocaine with meth heads and opiate addicts who will rob you without a second thought.
+But since we are discussing it, WV by far has the worst rural crime and poverty but as a backpacker you are unlikely to deal with them since most of the outdoor activities and trails like the AT are pretty isolated from that.
+
+OP If you really want to avoid questionable rural areas, Maine and Vermont are very safe rural areas with very nice people. NH is not bad but the areas around dover are shitty.
+
+Mississippi particularly on the Alabama border are really shitty, Nevada is nice but the areas East of Vegas and reno are litteral meth capitals.
+--- 2561652
+>>2561634
+Why the fuck would you go to Nevada? Especially if you're from the east coast.
+--- 2562379
+>>2551400 (OP)
+All you have to do is stitch a Canadian flag to your backpack and that lets people know that you're not an American.
+--- 2564291
+>>2562379
+Only Americans larping as Canadians do that. It's a dead giveaway.
+--- 2565294
+KEK
+>>2565148
+--- 2565698
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Just avoid major cities and you will be fine.
+--- 2565701
+>>2565698
+I don't think personal safety is really a thing in America anymore. People get robbed and murdered on trails and in national forests and parks.
+--- 2566695
+>>2551400 (OP)
+Start in downtown Baltimore, you should be fine
+--- 2566721
+>>2551547
+I hitchhiked from Vancouver BC to Redding, CA (with a couple bus trips in between). Everyone who picked me up was friendly, helpful, and reasonably good conversationalists. 
+The basic principle is that if you sense something is up with someone, don't get in in the first place. I carried a knife and bear spray concealed on my person at all times and only once felt slightly worried. Greentext incoming
+--- 2566723
+>>2566721
+>be me
+>standing on an interstate on-ramp in Redding, CA with a sign saying "NORTH"
+>an old man in a van pulls over
+>"I'm heading to Burney" he says
+>not sure where that is but if he's heading north, at least I'll be heading in the right direction
+>go to put my pack in the back seat but the man says, "that door don't open" (the back sliding door on the van).
+>so I lug my pack into the passenger seat then awkwardly stuff it in the back
+>we get going onto the interstate
+>I am unfolding my map to see where Burney is and how far of a lift I'm getting
+>we go like two miles and a sign on the highway says "Burney: exit 2 miles" or something. 
+>I'm still fumbling around with my map and the old man suddenly says, "I'm gay"
+>I pretend I didn't hear
+>he repeats: "I'm gay. What do you think of that?"
+>"Uh, I don't mind. Doesn't matter to me."
+>I stupidly thought he wanted to debate politics or something like gay marriage.
+>then he says, "Are you gonna do anything?" ie. he was propositioning me
+>"Uh, n-no. No, I'm not doing anything."
+>we're now approaching the Burney exit and I say, "Here's your turn. I'll just get out here."
+>he keeps going on the interstate
+>"Hey, buddy, this is the exit!"
+>"maybe I'll stop for a coffee somewhere. You don't want to get out here. It looks like it's gonna start raining."
+>getting really nervous now, scenarios running through my head that I'm gonna have to fight this guy. Hoping he doesn't have a gun.
+>he takes the next exit and we're at a red light
+>I open the door, yank my pack out of the back seat and chuck it on the side of the road and bail
+>it starts raining
+tl;dr missed my chance at a geriatric blowjob
+--- 2566896
+>>2561652
+--- 2566971
+>>2566723
+Smart move desu, for all you know he had a taser or roofie hidden away somewhere.
+--- 2566972
+>>2566896
+>EXTREME midget wrestling
+Every time I see this tagline, I wonder what non-extreme midget wrestling looks like.
+--- 2566987
+>>2552083
+>t. suburboid city leech larping as a ruralite
+--- 2567677
+It really feels like you just can't "go" anywhere now. Like even if you just loaded up your stuff and took off in a random direction walking through the wilderness eventually someone's camera or drone or light plane would see you and they'd call the cops and the FBI and they'd want to know why you were just walking around by yourself in the middle of nowhere and what places you've visited within the past 3 years
+--- 2568283
+>West coast
+Should be fine
+>Rockies
+Might run into some methheads who can be a problem but will probably be fine
+>Southwest
+Safe as long as you don’t go in the summer and stay away from the Mexican border
+>Southeast
+Dangerous to go alone. A lot of crime. Take weapons for self defense
+>Midwest
+Not as bad as Southeast but still should watch your back especially if you go near Chicago
+>Appalachia
+Mixed. A lot of weirdos out there and dangerous terrain but still doable
+>Northeast
+Should be fine.
+--- 2568318
+>>2551400 (OP)
+anon.
+that is a LONG ASS way to go.
+Consider doing a north-south run.
+like the cascades.
+It runs through the parts of the northwest that aren't shit.

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+-----
+--- 2552010
+Knife general thread, knives actually made for use in the outdoors edition. Office workers who've only ever cut cardboard/paper need not apply
+--- 2552024
+BPS Adventurer. Great knife, and because they are made in Ukraine I suspect they are being subsidized for export so they are available far cheaper than they should be. For $40 you get a quality knife, very quality sheath, and ferro rod.
+--- 2552029
+>>2552024
+Looks nice, though the stand with ukraine shit on their site is gay and their use of 1066 instead of something similar to 1095 is questionable on their smaller fixed blades
+--- 2552038
+>>2552029
+Never been to their website, bought off Amazon cheap and will do so until Wagner storms their factory and loots all the goods.
+>their use of 1066 instead of something similar to 1095 is questionable
+I mean sure, but I doubt any human being would be able to tell a 1060 knife from 1095 knife after a day of slicing wood or whatever. 10XX steel doesn't matter on a bush knife, it matters on a chef knife or a thin sword.
+--- 2552042
+>>2552038
+The main difference is in toughness and edge retention. And while you can't really tell the toughness of a knife until you eventually break it, the difference between edge retention becomes apparent when you use em for a bit. Even with 1075 you'll find yourself having to touch up the edge more often than 1095, and while that's a worthwhile trade-off when it comes to larger knives, it's wasted on smaller ones
+>10XX steel doesn't matter on a bush knife, it matters on a chef knife or a thin sword.
+How exactly? Also who uses 10 series carbon steels for kitchen knives?
+--- 2552047
+>>2552010 (OP)
+--- 2552049
+>>2552010 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/YYC9xrOsQj0 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/ehjbNLy387k [Embed]
+
+mandatory viewing for all the tryhards out there
+--- 2552055
+>>2552049
+https://youtu.be/uvlmsH0IFT4 [Embed]
+--- 2552056
+Fucking hate how big the handles are on Mora's. I returned like 3 of them.
+
+For me? It's the Buck 110 and Gerber Asada, and pic related for actual/out/ activity
+--- 2552057
+>>2552010 (OP)
+Ask me how I know you use the wrong tool for the job, for everything
+--- 2552059
+>>2552057
+Are you one of those types that avoids using knives at any cost just to prove a point?
+--- 2552062
+>>2552056
+>Fucking hate how big the handles are on Mora's. I returned like 3 of them.
+Really? I find em quite comfy, and I wear medium sized gloves. Plus them being a little oversized is a good thing for when you use em with thick gloves on. To each their own though, no problem with not being a fan of budget swedish knives
+--- 2552088
+>>2552056
+>For me? It's the Buick Lesabre and Carne Asada, and pic related for actual/out/ activity
+what is the blurry pic related? did it come in a box of swiss miss
+--- 2552131
+>>2552056
+Tiny hands typed this post
+--- 2552132
+Does Mora still make the model with the ferro rod in the handle? or has it been discontinued
+--- 2552133
+>>2552056
+>Fucking hate how big the handles are on Mora's
+>For me? It's the Buck 110
+Pretty much the same size handle lmao
+--- 2552170
+>>2552056
+got a victorinox forester, basically the same thing - absolutely love it for an outdoors knife. can't say i've ever had an issue with the handle size on moras, fits my medium hands absolutely fine and probably more comfortable than most other knives. 
+got a bk10 as well, works well as a knife but i'm not sure about the handles and the sheath isn't great but strapped onto a pack it's not a huge deal.
+--- 2552175
+>>2552170
+I've got a kydex sheath and micarta handles on mine. It's worth it if you use it a lot. You can get them on Amazon. They have g10 handles as well.
+--- 2552216
+my gf got me this for christmas
+--- 2552221
+i don't know much about outdoors but it's great tool for blue-collar workers, will buy more in the future
+--- 2552222
+>>2552221
+why would you ever use one of those instead of a utility knife in blue collar work?
+--- 2552223
+>>2552221
+You should have at least 17 Mora Companionas
+--- 2552226
+>>2552222
+i still use utility knives or light tasks, thankfully i don't live in pansy country where people would get arrested for carrying bigger blade
+--- 2552227
+>>2552222
+Not all work is amazon cardboard boxes
+--- 2552232
+>>2552227
+Well aware, unfortunate tradie here.
+--- 2552261
+Leatherman Skeletool is all you need
+--- 2552264
+>>2552261
+Quite literally one of the worst leathermans to date, basically any other option from them would be better suited to outdoors use
+--- 2552284
+>>2552010 (OP)
+Grohmann #2 "Bird and Trout"
+Stainless steel, Canadian made!
+--- 2552346
+I like Moras, they're all over the place here. Also have a couple of service Khukuris, a Gerber LMF, Cold Steel Bushman, a few hand forged pieces and a fairly practical viking Saex.
+--- 2552452
+>>2552284
+coincidentally i have a barely used #2 in the mail which i plan to use for... bird and trout
+tell me about it anon
+--- 2552748
+Choils are retarded.
+That is all.
+Goodbye.
+--- 2552768
+One these has been my pocket knife for 20 years
+--- 2552816
+>>2552221
+What the hell happened to the handles? I understand it being dirty/damaged to a degree (especially in a construction site), but some of those look genuinely chewed up
+--- 2552824
+>>2552010 (OP)
+how are winkler knives?
+--- 2552969
+>>2552010 (OP)
+This beautiful thing just arrived. Terävä Jääkäripuukko 110.
+--- 2552984
+>>2552816
+Maybe he was pretending to be a pirate, climbing the rigging to tell Peter Pan that he doesn't really go /out/
+--- 2553077
+>>2552748
+yes
+--- 2553090
+>>2552042
+Toughness is defined in ASTM D5801-12. The main contributors to Toughness are material type and annealing method. Edge retention is mostly a byproduct of hardness--ASTM E18-22. Both toughness and hardness should be consistent by manufacturer--zero guess work.
+Fun fact--most knife manufacturers use what is cheap and easy to make not what is best... for example you don't see a lot of stainless knifes from custom knife makers because it is much harder to work with and the annealing is more difficult--not because it isn't superior to carbon steel. The carbon steel my persists because it is easier for noobs to sharpen.
+--- 2553093
+>>2553090
+my bad
+Stainless > carbon
+There is another MUCH more expensive method to manufacture stainless using an atomization process but I can't remember the process name.
+--- 2553095
+>>2553093
+Powder metallurgy?
+--- 2553198
+>>2552452
+Honesty, not to sound like a fluff, but it is so comfy, and ergonomic. Lots of different holdings. My buddy who is an avid moose hunter says it would would lovely on moose. I've just use her on trout... hopefully rabbit (hare) and grouse soon.
+--- 2553237
+>>2552824
+expensive but from what i've seen breddy gud
+--- 2553249
+>>2552768
+Based, I just recently gave that same model to my friend
+--- 2553263
+>>2552969
+do you like it? I'm torn between the 140 and the 110. I've heard they feel a little flimsy
+--- 2553338
+>>2553263
+I literally just got it, but for now it feels really good at hand.
+>140 and the 110
+I had this doubt too, no regrets until now. I guess the 140 would feel clumsier with the blade length.
+>flimsy
+Definitely not, it seems really sturdy for now. But again, I'll only have an actual opinion as soon as I take it /out/ with me.
+--- 2553350
+>>2552969
+Based trash enjoyer
+--- 2553363
+>>2553350
+Why trash?
+--- 2553380
+>>2553198
+i picked it up today, feels nice in the hand but looks nothing fancy. definitely made to be used. my gf remarked it looked like an old timey letter opener haha
+--- 2553389
+>>2553363
+Because Varusteleka is the top retailer, and they gargle Zelensky's balls.
+--- 2553402
+>>2553389
+Yeah, I don't care. It doesn't affect the product. I wouldn't remain from buying something good because of politics.
+--- 2553501
+>>2552222
+Because you have a really, really small dick
+--- 2553507
+>>2553501
+/lgbt
+--- 2553538
+>>2552038
+from a practical view point, the 1066 is tougher than 1095, heat treated to the same hardness the 1066 will bend where the 1095 would break, though the 1095 will hold an edge longer than the 1066, both are practical steels and easy to sharpen in the field should it become necessary. 
+
+For the money it's a fine knife.
+--- 2553545
+>>2552222
+I use the small Esee instead of the box cutter because the sheath is less noticeable on my belt, no folding or opening like a utility knife, and it takes a good edge and holds it for awhile while box cutters are super super sharp and will slice the tip of your finger off before they’re completely dull and useless 5min later. Esee also makes a decent small pry bar or spudger when needed and box cutters snap.
+--- 2553559
+>>2553507
+Indeed, if you need a large blade to open boxes... You probably belong there.
+--- 2553560
+>>2553545
+It's still just a compensation for a tiny penis.
+--- 2553580
+>>2553380
+Yeah, grohmann's are a true woodman's knife; known as the canadian belt knife. The 2 does have a old timey letter opener vibe though haha I'll have to use mine on that, along with the trout! Hope you enjoy her!
+--- 2553582
+>>2553560
+The tiny knife that is smaller than the box cutter?
+--- 2553739
+>>2553582
+What you have to realize, is just how small that guys dick really is. It's basically a clitoris with a urethra routed through it.
+
+I took the ESEE pill, since you liked it so much, but I found the candiru just a bit too small. I basically use the Izula or a spyderco, depending on if I'm at work or not. (I work in the federal govt and the spyderco is less likely to get me questioned, since it's less visible stowed.)
+--- 2553741
+>>2553739
+>works for the fed
+>is obsessed with dicks
+checks out
+--- 2553792
+Anyone have a brisa nessmuk? How do you like it?
+--- 2553802
+>>2553582
+Yes, you sexually inadequate man child. LMAO
+--- 2553844
+>>2553792
+i have one, its WAY too thick for that blade shape, if it was half as thick it would be greatly improved
+--- 2555184
+>>2552010 (OP)
+What's a good, EDC knife? Mainly for traveling and some light outdoor work. Should come with a sheet. Eyeing some Morakniv on Amazon rn.
+--- 2555910
+>>2555184
+See >>2553739
+>>2553545
+
+>>2553739
+Also I use the Candiru because I’m working around normies all day and the thing hides in the palm of my hand. If it were a straight up fishing knoife, I would carry something like the Esee 3 or 5 or whatever smaller than Rambo knoife.
+
+>Spyderco
+Every one of those I see must be some factory seconds because they have a big hole in the blade.
+--- 2556346
+Knoif's 'n sheet.
+--- 2556786
+>>2552010 (OP)
+Spooky, those are both of my primary knives.
+The Buck knife was probably the best purchase I've ever made in terms of knives. That was over a decade ago.
+--- 2556793
+>>2556786
+I'm thinking about getting a buck; I like the concept of the 102 for small game, but the 119 seems neat. What do you use it for, anon?
+--- 2556795
+>>2556793
+>What do you use it for
+Everything up to an including opening cans. It's never lost an edge. It's pretty fucking amazing.
+--- 2556827
+>>2556795
+Sweet. I kinda want one... even just for the meme. Thanks anon!
+--- 2556828
+>>2552010 (OP)
+>>2556786
+>>2556793
+Fun fact, the official Danish scout knife, is pretty much a copy of the Buck, a little shorter, without the fuller or more "combat knife type guard"
+and a slightly thinner blade, its called a Vangedal if anyone would be interested in that
+grandpa had one, mom had one, now i have all of them, good times
+
+they do have this weird thing, where there is a rifle stud on the belt loop, that goes into the handle, on the other side of the snap you can see in the front on some models
+--- 2556832
+>>2556828
+Thanks, brudder! They actually seem awesome. Aesthetic and functional. I'll check them out for sure. Thanks for the tip!
+--- 2556837
+>>2556832
+look into their Senior models, or the Rover
+but im pretty sure they are unobtainium outside Denmark, here you can see the hole the stud in the sheath fits into, never seen that on any other knife, also, they are intentionally made with pretty poor "quality" leather, not that its even close to bad, but its leather that is meant for you to treat it, leather fat, leather fat, leather fat, until it goes naturally brown unlike many modern dyed leather sheaths, which is kinda refreshing, this makes me wanna buy a new one too and actually take care of it!
+--- 2556840
+>>2556837
+Ah, yeah and I'm I'm Canada, the land of...yeah. You never know, anon; I have cousins in Denmark, I've been meaning to visit for a long time.
+--- 2556847
+>>2556840
+>I'm I'm Canada
+>I've been meaning to visit for a long time.
+please do, we have unironically nice places here, old towns, gently rolling roads, our forrests are probably the size of a small back yard in Canada, but if you can rent a boat and travels the coast? 10/10 
+
+ive been wanting to go to Canada too for a long time, but if i was to do it, the travel time, would have to be less then the time actually spent there.
+really want a Grohmann Knives Trout and Bird Knife, think it would be amazinf for perch and pike
+--- 2556858
+>>2552010 (OP)
+--- 2556884
+>>2556877
+the scouts here are a religious orginization, Christian, INRI. "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum" what more can i say?
+--- 2556900
+>>2556884
+based
+--- 2557013
+>>2552010 (OP)
+I have come to preach my ways once more
+
+hail the khukuri
+--- 2557218
+Is Damascus steel a meme?
+[spoiler]I just like how it looks[/spoiler]
+--- 2557226
+>>2552010 (OP)
+Would post Condo Belgian Bowie but not at comp. Took photo with real camera :(. Ordered a Condor Yoshimo, Trilby, and container of hot cheeto dust
+--- 2557360
+>>2556847
+Yeah, I live in Newfoundland, but I've got cousins that grew up in Denmark! Ever since I was a wee lad, I wanted to visit. I almost did back around 2015/16 but the Islamic Terror in Europe attacks freaked me out...
+No word of a lie, my buddy, I have the grohmann #2 bird and trout! She is such an ergonomic knife. I have her stainless with the sabre grind. I use on trout, but would love to get her on rabbit (hare), and grouse. Stay tuned!
+--- 2557366
+>>2557226
+>downsized from 88mb
+--- 2557485
+mora companion vs mora companion HD. is one the obvious choice over the other? or is it preference, etc.?
+--- 2557498
+>>2557218
+Yes, it just looks nice. Can you process an animal with? Then it's good.
+--- 2557591
+>>2557485
+I own both in carbon and stainless.
+From left to right: HD stainless, HD carbon, standard stainless, and standard carbon.
+For me, HD moras are the obvious choice, mainly due to the slightly more obtuse edge grind. I've had problems with the standard mora rolling its edge during fairly normal "bushcraft" use. The standard mora has a 22-degree edge, whereas the HD mora has a 27-degree edge, making it more robust.
+If you live in a wet climate, I'd recommend the HD in stainless steel; if you live in a dry climate, I'd recommend the HD in carbon steel because rust will not be an issue. Plus, the carbon steel version is easier to sharpen.
+I live in a wet climate, so my pick is the HD in stainless. Great knoife.
+--- 2557707
+How much of a meme are these survival knives for someone who only goes outdoors every few months? Just a better than nothing tool that I can keep in the car or throw in the pack.
+--- 2557754
+>>2557707
+Ultimately it's all whatever. Just don't baton cheaper stuff unless there is info saying otherwise. Serrated edges can both help and hurt. Not great for rope/string cutting.
+--- 2557772
+>>2557707
+>wow, it even has a hole
+So does my wife, but you don't see me dragging her into the woods
+--- 2557782
+>>2552221
+Kek, got the same ones in the extact same state
+One is partially burnt i don't even remember why
+--- 2557811
+>>2557218
+Depends on who is making it. Actual Damascus is not being made anymore.
+--- 2557896
+>>2557707
+avoid serrations at all costs, absolute meme for 99% of /out/ activities
+--- 2557911
+>>2557896
+I agree with this. For a military knife, yes, serrations may be useful. But not for a /out/ knife.
+--- 2557943
+>>2552969
+140 checking in. Zero complaints for the price. I think I got mine for ~$70 shipped to the US a few years ago.
+>I've heard they feel a little flimsy
+Not even close. It's a solid beast of a knife
+--- 2557947
+>>2557943
+Forgot to tag >>2553263
+--- 2557953
+>>2552010 (OP)
+The Smith and Wesson outback kukri is really good.
+--- 2558566
+>Opinel
+--- 2558567
+How can I remove this coating on the spine so I can use a ferro rod?
+--- 2558597
+waiting on my grohmann to arrive from the factory. will be my traveling companion to bruce paninsula this summer. looking forward to field dressing my first wendigo
+--- 2558651
+>>2558566
+How do you boys sharpen your Opinel without ruining the convex edge?
+--- 2558658
+>>2558597
+Gorgeous!! I have the #2 bird and trout... loves her!
+--- 2558659
+>>2558651
+I've haven't had to sharpen mine yet, but I was wondering this too... YouTube might tell us
+--- 2558668
+>>2558567
+file it off
+--- 2558702
+>>2558567
+Are you really this dense?
+--- 2558711
+>>2552049
+>>2552055
+I have literally never clicked on a post formatted like this and never will
+--- 2558715
+>>2553739
+>says someone has tiny penis for using a knife
+>works for the federal government
+>uses spooderco
+yeah checks out lol
+--- 2558744
+>>2558659
+strop after use so you dont ever have to sharpen. some goes with scandi grinds bros.
+--- 2558811
+>>2558744
+Thanks, brudder - that's what I've been doing!
+--- 2558840
+>>2558809
+how's the small Morakniv one? Big enough as a general tool and cooking utility?
+--- 2558912
+>>2558840
+It's perfect for food prep and small knife tasks. I usually pair it with that Condor kukri or one of my large fixed blades.
+--- 2558923
+>>2558912
+should think it would be a great little carving knife, for spoons and such, didnt they recently release a version that is just straight scandi-grind instead of the retarded double grind
+--- 2558949
+>>2558923
+Not sure, but I like the dual grind. Front is very slicey (tomatoes, peel apples etc) and the back end bites into wood nicely (obviously since it is classic Scandi). No hot spots in the handle at all. Well worth the ~$30
+The Cold Steel Pocket Bushman is also a great, lightweight beast that should be in everyones pack.
+--- 2558953
+>>2558949
+>I like the dual grind
+ive just been using Mora´s for 28+ years, so when they suddently change things like that i hate it out of principal
+--- 2558954
+So I guess full tang is the consensus?
+--- 2558957
+>>2558954
+depends on use case, steel, handle material and how much you watch youtube
+what do you want you knife to do Anon?
+>batonny chop chop?
+yeah sure
+>kitchen duty?
+not necessary at all
+>stabbing bad guys Rambo style survive the appocalypse?
+sure
+>normal sane person knife tasks?
+nah
+--- 2558971
+>>2558954
+I just don't see the reason to go for folding. There's really nothing I'm going to use it for that I wouldn't use the big knife for and I want my big knife to be full tang.
+--- 2558973
+>>2558658
+the sleek profile of the #2 and #3 are quite nice. would like to have one (or 3) with stag horn handle. hope you have a good quality strop to keep that cutting edge razor sharp!
+>>2558659
+>>2558651
+--- 2559020
+>>2558957
+Full tang on a kitchen/butcher knife is actually very important. Probably more important than an /out/ knife unless you're doing stupid stuff with it.
+--- 2559022
+>>2559020
+Not him, but that's a NO from me
+--- 2559023
+>>2559020
+A chopping cleaver, yes
+--- 2559024
+>>2558597
+>>2558658
+I have the #4 survival. Good knife, beautiful and feels good in the hand. But I have to admit I'm kinda disappointed in the cheaper carbon steel that it's made with. It doesn't hold a great edge. It stays sharp with minimal maintenance, but the razor sharp edge you get after a strop vanishes almost immediately upon using it. It also rusts very easily so you need to keep it oiled at all times.
+
+I have also had pic related in my pocket for the past two years and it has never let me down. Their stainless steel seems better than their carbon steel.
+--- 2559025
+>>2559023
+No, even just a regular butcher knife. My girlfriend is a chef and she has broken knives just doing basic chef work on more than one occasion. Cutting through things like squash and yams can do a number on a cheaper knife.
+--- 2559037
+>>2559024
+Was originally going to get a Mora Garberg because of its full tang and 14C28N steel but once I discovered the Grohmamns I was already sold.
+I digress. That's the price we pay for having hollow grinds compared to other cutting edge geometries. This is why people end up with huge knife collections. Nice folder anon, stay sharp out there.
+--- 2559040
+>>2559037
+God damnit. After posting that pic I bought the mora anyway. I will never financially recover from this
+--- 2559045
+>>2556828
+I really like that sheath
+--- 2559047
+>>2552010 (OP)
+--- 2559050
+How does /out/ like my Camillus US Army utility knife from the 80s?
+
+I randomly found it one day going through my grandpas stuff.
+--- 2559074
+>>2559047
+>everything behind the knife in focus
+carbons always look cool. noice knoife
+>>2559050
+looks sturdy
+--- 2559169
+>>2559025
+Your GF sounds like a fucking retard
+--- 2559358
+>>2559074
+I had a second picture of it with the knife in focus but the background looked like shit so I deleted it 
+
+Ig I prefer a nice background with somewhat shitty knife focus
+--- 2559362
+>>2559074
+Here’s a better picture of my knife with a less than exciting background
+
+My mom and my gf >>2559169
+wanted to know how well I was eating so I took a pic of my lunch
+--- 2559385
+>>2558702
+Yes
+--- 2559427
+>>2559362
+>coldsteel srk
+Good looking piece anon
+--- 2559475
+Bought in 2018. There are definitely better knives out there, but if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
+--- 2559478
+>>2552221
+You could have bought a garberg and one companion with the amount you spent on 5 companions
+--- 2559479
+>>2559040
+I love my garberg
+--- 2559492
+>>2552133
+...that's an anal vibrater isn't it
+ISNT IT
+--- 2559681
+>>2559169
+You sound like someone who forgot to take their meds this morning. Calm down and wipe the foam off your mouth.
+--- 2559764
+>>2557943
+Nice. Also, cute catto.
+--- 2559854
+For a folder (and as my backup) this has never let me down.
+--- 2559866
+>>2552029
+>though the stand with ukraine shit on their site is gay
+They are a Ukraine-based knife company.
+--- 2559885
+>>2559866
+If you make an order over 100USD, your knife will come with a signed letter from Zelensky demanding that you give him more money
+--- 2559939
+>>2559866
+Hope our Russian bros take them down
+--- 2560140
+>>2552088
+underrated
+--- 2560153
+Allow me to hijack the thread for a moment; if any anons have had any dealings with their knives' manufacturer feel free to share your experiences. List your model, brand and your 'takeaway'. I'm hoping this will help others make more informed purchases.
+--- 2560221
+https://youtu.be/mcE0aAhbVFc [Embed]
+--- 2560681
+>>2559492
+anythings a dildo if you are brave enough
+--- 2560689
+>>2560153
+Great Eastern Cutlery are really nice but overhyped and overpriced on the 2ndary market.
+--- 2561920
+>>2553249
+You're a good friend Anon.
+--- 2561938
+tacticoooool
+--- 2562045
+Do multitools count?
+--- 2562181
+Does anybody whittle here? Are the beavercraft tools any good?
+Will I fuck up my Opinel n6 by whittling? It's a nice knife but seems rather "thin"?
+--- 2562302
+>>2552010 (OP)
+>mora carbon
+You really don't kneed any more
+--- 2562303
+>>2552010 (OP)
+family photo I had for an old thread
+kukri is my fav
+--- 2562306
+>>2562303
+newest editions to the family including the finnish axe I restored, (gotta re-do the handle) the knife I forged for myself, and a leatherman I found for cheap at an estate sale
+--- 2562310
+>>2562303
+Nice Quartermaster's Knife. Is it a vintage Catteraugus?
+Also, what's the story on the Jet Pilot's Survival knife?
+--- 2562485
+>>2562306
+The hell is that piece of steel stuck to the back of the axe head? Oh btw, nice shiv you forged.
+--- 2562517
+>>2562310
+I picked up the Catteragus from some boomers gunshop many years ago, it was super rusted out but I cleaned it up and its served me ever since.
+and the jet pilots knife I'm guessing you mean the one with the cork handle that is super shiny, not much of a story on that one, I got it at a local army surplus store in russia near my grandparents village.
+
+>>2562485
+as for that hunk of steel, its basically a hammer head used to drive pieces of wood into a log to split it down the middle, Its a Finnish lumber axe. Heres a good informational video that talks more about the design 
+https://youtu.be/cr-3TZ79oC8 [Embed]
+--- 2562541
+>>2562517
+>from some boomers gunshop
+Nice score.
+Yes, I was talking about the cork handle one. It looks a lot like the Randall Jet Pilot SK. Letters F, LL, and NN in pic rel.
+--- 2562637
+I like it
+--- 2563965
+what are some good sharpening tools or systems that do not require you to commit hours of your time learing how to compulsively rub steel on rocks in a precise and repeatable way? I just want sharpen knives with as little guess work as possible
+--- 2564011
+I use buck 110. Sewed leather around it to give it better grip
+--- 2564021
+>>2558597
+I waited for over three months for mine and I thought it was never going to arrive, custom made I guess but it's a beauty.
+--- 2564022
+>>2563965
+Lansky Sharpening System. They also do the BladeMedic which (while a pull-through) is good in a pinch and light enough to be packable.
+--- 2564031
+>>2552010 (OP)
+I just use this old rough rider it gets the job done good elephant toe knife.
+--- 2564038
+>>2562541
+I like E a lot
+>>2552056
+Why are people hating on buck?
+--- 2564070
+>>2556837
+>the star
+--- 2564119
+>>2562303
+>brass knuckles 
+Going to beat up bears with your bear hand?
+--- 2564181
+>>2564119
+I mean, if I was to die from a bear attack, I would want it said that I went down beating it bloody with a pair of knuckles.
+--- 2564201
+>>2564181
+Get it fren? Bear hand? do you understand the reference I am making?
+--- 2565016
+>>2552969
+It's a great knife! I would actually recommend this knife and the others in the same lineup over the moras. Extremely sturdy knifes mate. good choice!
+--- 2565020
+TRC Apocalpyse Virus Edition.
+--- 2565166
+new mora ordered my second today
+--- 2565174
+>>2565166
+why would you buy a mora for that much money? The whole point of a mora is that it's decent quality and CHEAP. If you have money to burn on nice knives that you don't really need there are way better options.
+--- 2565198
+>>2565174
+>paying 240 euros for a recycled 3 inch knife
+
+bro what are you doing
+--- 2565564
+I use OPs mora every day in the garden because I'm a professional garden. 
+Water proof handle is very good also when steralizing blade, sheath very good, knife cheap enough to replace as needed without asstears.
+
+Buy orange colour so not losing knife. No sitting on camouflage knife
+--- 2565567
+>>2565166
+Anon. You've bought a knife that's been rehandled with wood and paid more for it than my boots are worth. 
+For what purpose? Cardboard cutting?
+
+Morakniv is like jhonny Walter whiskey, trying to buy the more expensive one is a scam. Cringe acting
+--- 2565719
+>>2565564
+>Buy orange colour so not losing knife.
+This is good advice. I have the green one and after about two trips out I had to put blaze orange tape on the scabbard.
+--- 2565733
+>>2565681
+get a Surge
+--- 2565744
+>>2565564
+>I'm a professional garden.
+--- 2565815
+>>2552056
+Moraknivs är made för big NVRDIC hands
+--- 2565841
+>>2565744
+>It is better to be a garden in a warrior than a war in a gardener
+--- 2565849
+Finlang Making SA28 and BOЛК Cтaль. Chinkshit but does the job
+--- 2565911
+>>2565567
+you never will slice a summer sausage with a quality knife. stay mad.
+--- 2566103
+When you spend this fucking long to create a non functional arrowhead from stone. Cavemen how did you do it?
+--- 2566106
+>>2566103
+use stone type who is arrow head
+--- 2566114
+>>2566106
+English?
+--- 2566125
+>>2562541
+A or U are the most versatile in your collection.
+picrel: all you will ever need. The Ranger skinner is also an amazing herbalist knife and is perfect for cleaning Dungeness crab and fiash (only idiots don't take the organs out of crab before cooking).
+--- 2566127
+>>2564011
+113 > everything else
+--- 2566141
+>>2564038
+Because most of their blade designs aren't practical and they use a lower grade steel. You also are paying for the brand name and the mystique. They're like ford--most of there products are boomer crap but there are some absolute gems if you know what to look for.
+--- 2566143
+>>2566125
+>your collection
+That's from the Randall Custom Shop ordering page.
+--- 2566154
+>>2553095
+That sounds right, I know the manufacturering process involes vacuum inert gas atomization. It can be forged, not just used as a coating. I see it in high end kitchen knives.
+--- 2566156
+Does anyone know why Whitby stopped selling via Amazon?
+--- 2566160
+>>2566143
+Ok, Randal.
+--- 2566166
+>>2564011
+>Folder, opened, in a fixed blade sheeth
+>Handle strap prevents closing the blade
+...what is wrong with you
+--- 2566174
+>>2566114
+brain?
+--- 2566183
+>>2558954
+If your using it to gut creatures to cook get a full tang. Folders are shit for processing meat because they get Offal in the folding part and are hard to clean. Folder handels also suck, ergonomically, compared to folders (especially for skinning knives).
+Full tang blades are also usually thicker and can take more abuse.
+--- 2566186
+>>2566183
+>*fixed blade handle > folder handle
+--- 2566188
+>>2566166
+I sewed the sheeth myself. Also I literally say why i made the leather strap on handle. Grip
+--- 2566190
+>>2566127
+Yeah but it's hard to find in stores and you can't get knives mailed to PO box iirc
+--- 2566191
+>>2565564
+>Garden knife
+Mora isn't a garden knife: this is a garden knife for master gardeners.
+--- 2566194
+>>2566188
+that's not the point
+>>2566190
+Any store that is a Buck dealer can get one on order for you. Knife center will ship internationally and to PO boxes.
+--- 2566198
+>>2566188
+Why didn't you just get a fixed blade knife in the first place?
+--- 2566205
+>>2566191
+very funny
+--- 2566211
+>>2566205
+Its quite sharp though hard to sharpen. Opens boxes and cuts chord; roots; branches and dirt, I'm sure you can batton with it but why.
+--- 2566214
+>>2566198
+Because I like buck 110
+--- 2566215
+>>2566214
+To clarify, it's small but heavy-ish for its size
+--- 2566217
+Plus you can just buy another knife if for some reason you need full tang
+
+To redirect the bullying, why are half the knives posted shown on clean wood background? Do you guys walk around your toolshop with your gear?
+--- 2566220
+>>2566217
+Don't you blankyshame us because we live in wooden boxes.
+--- 2566230
+>>2566217
+>dirty AF 
+>folder with wrapped handle
+gr8 b8
+--- 2566237
+>>2552010 (OP)
+Does anything whittle like a mora? It must be the skandi grind bc I've never had another knife come close
+--- 2566308
+>>2566237
+>Mora
+You set a very low bar.
+>Scandi grind
+I see you never made it past beginner level.
+--- 2566356
+>>2566308
+>shits on proven brand despite anon's personal experiece with it
+>makes baseless assumptions about anon's level of experience
+Checks out. Enlighten us with your vastly superior tool and blade profile of choice.
+--- 2566371
+>>2566230
+>>I-IS THAT DIRT?? ON AN OUTDOOR KNIFE???
+>>2566220
+>blankyshame 
+Sir that is my vest
+--- 2566381
+>>2566371
+>I don't know how to field clean or do basic maintenance
+You don't take care of your shit and are clearly retarded. From harvesting herbs and mushrooms to gutting animals: non idiots field clean their shit before sheathing it and finish cleaning it when they get home.
+>>2566356
+>Defending Mora and the sharpening metal developed for shit metals.
+I remember when I was 12.
+Its a good knife to learn how to sharpen... for kids. My blade of choice for what?
+>Baseless assumptions
+lol, baseless. lamo.
+--- 2566405
+>>2566371
+--- 2566411
+>>2566381
+>going home
+Lol, lmao
+>>2566405
+Yes the big eyes were intentional. I mean look at the rest of the pic. This is how I schizo flex
+--- 2566412
+>>2566381
+So you're just trolling, then. Got it.
+--- 2566641
+>>2566412
+>Gets called out for being retarded
+>nooo, you're just a troll
+Whatever you need to tell yourself to make it through the day.
+--- 2566705
+>>2566641
+>continues to avoid posting a better knife
+Yep
+--- 2567245
+recently bought a "used" (basically new) Ganzo on ebay. very nice and smooth, opening and closing feels quite satisfying
+--- 2567256
+>>2565166
+oof

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+-----
+--- 2552921
+>not even 2 hours away from my car 
+>slip over on loose gravel
+>my 60lb pack pulls my off the trail 
+>land on my back on a slope
+>slide at least 100ft down 
+>screaming the whole way 
+>slash my hands up trying to stop the slide 
+>thought I was going to die
+--- 2552923
+>>2552921 (OP)
+>60lb pack
+>clumsy retard
+>frogposter
+God messed up this time, he'll get it right the next
+--- 2552930
+>>2552921 (OP)
+If this actually happened to you then congratulations. You almost feel what it's like.
+
+Personally I've almost died like 7 times and I joke about them all.
+--- 2552939
+>>2552923
+I almost died and you think it's a good thing just because I don't use the exact same gear as you
+--- 2552941
+>>2552939
+Not him but yeah. If you don’t have anyone else to talk to about your exciting experience maybe you should be getting some IRL friends instead of doing this on the internet.
+--- 2552942
+>>2552941
+Found the redditor
+--- 2552943
+>2552939
+>I almost died and you think it's a good thing just because I don't use the exact same gear as you
+not him but death to all frogposters
+--- 2552944
+>>2552941
+What does that have to do with my post.
+--- 2552945
+>you don't have friends you should die 
+>you aren't UL you should die 
+>you post frogs you should die
+--- 2552949
+>>2552921 (OP)
+>go mountaineering
+>am the only one using a wrist strap on my ice axe
+>get mocked for how fiddly it is everytime we make a switchback on the glacier
+>get to a boulder field
+>lose footing because of a loose rock
+>fall down 5 meters before my axe lodges itself between 2 boulders
+>come away with nothing but scrapes and bruises
+>hang by my wrist strap
+Thanks wrist strap.
+--- 2553040
+>>2552921 (OP)
+>from image immediately deleted by Jannies
+Why? Can someone point to the rule?
+--- 2553048
+>>2553040
+Complaining about the moderation is against the site-wide rules.
+--- 2553051
+>>2553040
+was the image out related?
+--- 2553060
+>>2553040
+our hot pocket eaters are retards
+--- 2553061
+>>2553048
+Not knowing the difference between a legitimate question and a complaint is a sign of brain damage. 
+
+>>2553051
+No, it was a crying Pepe animated gif. Do all images have to be out-related?
+--- 2553062
+>>2553040
+Yeah the janny here is relatively based and laid back but has a weird hatred of pepes and apus
+--- 2554009
+>>2553062
+>has a weird hatred of pepes and apus
+we'll allow it.
+
+>>2552921 (OP)
+>same shit happened to me,
+>tumbled
+>then slid
+>broke the phone on the way down
+>broke my leg 
+>drag my ass back uphill and set the bone and splint it.
+>improvise a set of crutches
+>limp my ass six miles back to the trailhead and the car. 
+
+Shit's funny now, and I almost NEVER make fun of people with trekking poles now, even if they're not carrying anything.
+--- 2556265
+>>2552921 (OP)
+real?
+--- 2556269
+>>2553062
+Yeah as far as moderation goes /out/ is pretty great. Uh, uh I mean mods suck my cock wait no that's gay uhhhh
+--- 2557538
+>>2552941
+>Tells internet user to not use internet 
+>continues to use internet himself
+
+Please think before you post.
+--- 2557630
+>>2556269
+/out/ doesn't have jannies or mods idiot they come from other blue boards like /lgbt/
+--- 2557648
+>>2552939
+You‘re laughing
+
+My hands hurt and you‘re laughing
+--- 2557679
+>>2554009
+Fuck that sounds rough. Getting a serious injury like that while deep /out/ is one of my fears
+--- 2557685
+>>2553062
+The jannies on /o/ and /diy/ don't give a shit about frogs. Whoever moderates here is a special kind of autistic.
+--- 2557688
+>>2552921 (OP)
+>>2552949
+>be me
+>climbing Mt Shasta
+>it is getting steeper and icier but I'm too lazy to pull out my crampons and put them on
+>slip and slide back down like 500ft
+--- 2557694
+>>2552921 (OP)
+Post a greentext story when you actually die. Let us know if you are allowed to fuck goats in heaven or have to suck satan's peepee in hell. Also, is god based (no trannies allowed in heaven) or not (allows bankers).
+--- 2558023
+>>2552921 (OP)
+Nioce 
+>be as a sixth grader way back when, field trip w class to a very nice mountain park area 15 miles from school. 
+>a nice canyon with a tiny stream that runs most of year, a trail goes up canyon. 
+>me n my buddy decide to go off trail to a higher ledge way above trail just because to get another view of trail, its all beautiful, huge boulders size of twenty city busses if they were all crumpled in a ball, just scattered.
+>you can't really appreciate the size unless you get a far-off view to imagine how the separated from hig canyon and rolled to where the are, as the main trail goes between them. 
+>I'm abit more agile that my fat tall friend, tell him not to follow when we get to a tricky part.
+>he followed anyway, steps on loose rock and starts slide down to a five foot ledge onto another slide then three foot ledge and slides down 20 feet.
+>I hear him going AaaaAaaAhh whump AAAhh gurgle thump and dust going up.
+Go as fast as I can to catch up to him.
+He's all dusty and tore his shirt and bounced off a Cactus.
+I laughed a little but helped him up and pulled stickers off his back.
+We didn't tell anybody but walked back to campground and waited for everyone else to comeback.
+Good times
+--- 2558060
+>>2557679
+As long as it's fixable with first aid, you'll be ok. 
+and shock is your friend if you know that it's happening and use it to your advantage to set the bone before it swells up and splint it. 
+
+Always have an IFAK and know how to use it and you'll have nothing to fear.
+--- 2558115
+>>2552921 (OP)
+A thread died because a fat faggot didnt
+--- 2558135
+>>2552949
+>>2557688
+Thanks for the info. I will learn from your mistake and buy a wrist strap.
+--- 2558136
+>>2558115
+this is /out/ newfag no one gives a shit besides 3 autists
+--- 2558140
+>>2552921 (OP)
+Did you keep going after that? And more importantly, do you have a quick first aid kit to clean wounds like that and dress them?
+
+>>2558136
+You cared enough to have a little tantrum here in the thread. Good contribution.
+--- 2558142
+>>2558140
+>You cared enough to have a little tantrum here in the thread
+What I just entered the thread you're autistic.
+--- 2558172
+the first time I went /out/ I didn't have proper shoes and I chickened out of a ridge that fell right off the mountain on the side. I'm still certain I had a good chance of actually dying and maybe it would've been better that way.
+--- 2559004
+>>2557648
+--- 2559019
+>>2553062
+The /out/ jannies are extremely unbased. I was once banned for telling someone to post nose, and have been banned numerous times for "racism".
+--- 2559026
+>>2558023
+>bounced off a Cactus.
+*inhales*
+AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
+--- 2560977
+>>2558115
+bump
+--- 2560984
+>>2557694
+> Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
+>Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
+--- 2562865
+>>2558115
+bump
+--- 2565396
+>>2559019
+Maybe you should take the hint then. Also complaining about the janitors is against the site-wide rules.
+--- 2565404
+>>2565396
+Post nose.
+--- 2565479
+>>2565396
+maybe you should stop being such a kike, plenty of safe spaces on the internet for your kind already.
+--- 2567426
+>>2554009
+Imagine if that was a compound fracture...
+
+Carry a tourniquet, peeps. Remember, HIGH AND TIGHT.
+--- 2567447
+It was disappointing to discover OP's image wasn't a gory picture of his fucked-up hands.

out/2553280.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,156 @@
+-----
+--- 2553280
+>only one week left in winter
+Did you go /out/doors this season, or did you only stay /in/doors and consume youtuber vlogs like a fat larper?
+--- 2553281
+>>2553280 (OP)
+The snowpack here has reached record levels. I'll be snowshoeing in June. Must be lame to live in an overly urbanized shithole where there's only one week of winter left.
+It sucks to suck.
+--- 2553293
+>>2553280 (OP)
+>bringing a gun up a mountain
+
+retard
+--- 2553294
+>>2553280 (OP)
+Of course I went outside, and it hasn't snowed here a single time in the past 15 years.
+--- 2553296
+>>2553280 (OP)
+>Did you go /out/doors this season
+ofc
+
+>or did you only stay /in/doors and consume youtuber vlogs like a fat larper?
+
+Careful you'll upset the u/k/raine newfags
+--- 2553369
+>>2553280 (OP)
+I don't think Rin appreciates you pointing the gun in her direction
+--- 2553395
+>>2553293
+>he doesnt have a summit gun
+Sad!
+--- 2553397
+anime is enjoyed by people who have shitty personalities
+--- 2553413
+>>2553395
+It's kind of cringe that OP brought a deringer while you brought an actual gun.
+--- 2555357
+>>2553397
+have you forgotten where you are?
+--- 2555362
+>>2553395
+What gat be that
+--- 2555481
+>>2555362
+Poorus TX22
+--- 2555563
+>>2553280 (OP)
+is that berthoud?
+--- 2555589
+my job is outside and wintery
+--- 2555597
+>>2555357
+that image is so fucking
+old 4chan is top 500 and regularly dips into top 50
+--- 2556165
+>>2553293
+>Reddlt spacing
+>Triggered by a picture of a firearm
+post tits
+--- 2558201
+>>2553413
+>makes fun of OP for bringing a 22
+>praises anon for bringing a 22
+lmao
+--- 2558203
+>>2558201
+You can cope all you want, but a deringer is a woman's gun. And spoilers: you will never be a woman.
+--- 2558207
+>>2558203
+sir, this is an /out/doors board
+
+>>>/pol/ is that way
+--- 2558248
+>>2558207
+You're still stuck here >>2558203
+--- 2559076
+Just spent a week skiing innawoods and slept a night in a snow ditch in below -30°C degrees. Had to cover my face with a scarf since all the moisture from my breath crystallized around the sleeping bag's breathing hole and then rained on my face every time i rolled around.
+--- 2559078
+>>2559076
+The next night was almost as cold and quite a lot more windy but a bit more sheltered.
+--- 2559086
+>>2558203
+it can be a mans gun but only if it's chambered in 45-70 govt
+--- 2559468
+>>2559076
+>>2559078
+That's fucking neat, anon
+--- 2559791
+>>2559076
+>>2559078
+Have a (you), bearfucker
+--- 2560073
+>>2559468
+>>2559791
+The view was also nice. There was an avalanche incident on the very same area just a couple of hours ago, apparently nobody died but still a good reminder that it can be dangerous to mess around the backcountry this time a year.
+--- 2561313
+>>2560073
+is this scandinavia?
+Those treeless mountains look too flat to be north america unless you're someplace weird like labrador or quebec
+--- 2561401
+>>2561313
+North-East Finland.
+--- 2561539
+>>2553280 (OP)
+getting into ski-touring. liking it alot sofar. we had very little snow this year unfortunately.
+--- 2562098
+>>2561539
+i started split boarding this winter, probably my number 1 favourite activity already. it’s all i want to do ever since the first time i went out. going to rogers pass this week
+--- 2563578
+>>2561539
+how do you even get started anon? I really want to but equipment costs are too much for me to jump right in blind
+
+>inb4 ask the shop
+unfortunately shops around here are full of weekend warrior resort skiiers only
+--- 2563601
+>>2563578
+If you have to ask then you aren't ready.
+--- 2564050
+>>2563578
+well i learned skiing as a kid and i go hiking and rock climbing in the alps so i just put 2 and 2 together. it's incredibly popular here in switzerland so finding a group was a breeze. i already had the hardshell gear from iceclimbing and bought the ski's and boots used. got the avalanch search thing for free from a coworker who didn't use it. 
+maybe you can get something cheap when a local shop replaces its rental material? i got my ice tools for virtually free like this. they aren't the best but get the job done. or just rent the stuff the first couple of times and buy stuff over time when its on sale. pay attention when you buy a used dynafit binding, they loose tension with age. keep in mind that you'll ruin your first pair of skis rather quickly so it's not really worth it buying the newest and bestest as you first set
+--- 2564156
+>>2553293
+Sometimes I bring two, and I'm not even joking.
+--- 2564163
+My only regret is not making it down to Utah for a ski trip. Then again, it seems like the crowds have gotten so bad that it might not be worth it anymore.
+--- 2564164
+>>2556165
+Said the guy who's too much of a pussy to go anywhere without his steel pacifier
+--- 2564394
+>>2564164
+>pathetic female attempt at emasculation 
+Nice try, beaf flaps, now post tits.
+--- 2564397
+>>2564394
+>beaf
+Never go full retard.
+--- 2566478
+Is the season now officially over everywhere?
+--- 2566504
+>>2564163
+it's worth it if you stay near the top of the mountains and hike out to the good bowls
+back country is always available if you're kitted out and are interested in that type of skiing
+--- 2568029
+>>2566478
+the season is alive and well. we were blessed with fresh snow here in switzerland
+--- 2568077
+>>2553294
+Florida?
+--- 2568078
+>>2566478
+wtf? no
+--- 2568087
+>>2553280 (OP)
+>Did you go /out/doors this season, or did you only stay /in/doors
+not as much as i normally would, we´ve had very wet winter here

out/2553468.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,254 @@
+-----
+--- 2553468
+What's the easiest way to die while being /out/?
+--- 2553471
+>>2553468 (OP)
+In my experience? It's always gonna be dumb shit.
+
+Trying to wade across rivers with too much current. 
+
+Climbing on slippery/icy rocks, breaking something and unable to get help.
+
+Fucking around and finding out with wildlife. 
+
+Hypothermia or heat stroke. Honestly easily to over do it especially by yourself. By time you start to notice it's already too late. 
+
+Dehydration... Drink all ur water first worry about finding more later. 
+
+Crazy people can be reasoned with/ manipulated. Someone on drugs cannot. Please understand the difference... For example a skitzo having an episode- you can use your phone camera to prove to them you're real and anything else their seeing isn't. Their brains cannot fake shit on screens.
+
+In cities/large towns say over 100,000 population. The mentality of "not my monkeys not my problem" will take you far. It's fine to help someone in need if you can, but only if it preserves your well-being.
+--- 2553492
+Being drunk off your ass on vodka in a shitty tent and redneck stove on a mountain in a snowstorm at night is a pretty good way to do it
+--- 2553496
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Noguns is the best way to die while being /out/.
+9/10 /out/ problems are solved with guns.
+>Lost: 3 evenly spaced shots every hour or two or when you think you might be in earshot of someone
+>Animal: Shoot it
+>Hungry: Eat the animal you shot
+>Cold and wet need fire: You have between 6 and 15 metal capsules filled with fire guarantee powder.
+>Bees: The gun cannot help you, run
+>Drowning: Try shooting the water idk learn to swim what are you black.
+>Predatory humans: Shoot them and take their stuff.
+--- 2553498
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Drowning is a very common one.
+--- 2553500
+>>2553468 (OP)
+river crossings.
+--- 2553502
+>>2553468 (OP)
+mummy's curse
+--- 2553599
+>>2553468 (OP)
+exposure
+--- 2553623
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Being a dumbass with a gun.
+--- 2553624
+>>2553468 (OP)
+my guess is dehydration/disorientation in desert areas
+primarily from people who aren't familiar with the terrain or region and don't realize just how intense the sun can be out there, dehydrating them quickly, which makes them get disoriented, then getting lost, and dying from exposure
+--- 2553630
+>>2553468 (OP)
+>Falling into a Ravine
+>A Falling rock hits your head.
+--- 2553878
+>>2553496
+Go back to /a/ and /k/
+--- 2553983
+>>2553496
+Smokeless powder is absolutely fucking terrible for starting fires, you're better off trying just about anything else instead of wasting time cracking cartridges open to get a tiny amount of powder that will go poof and leave you still very cold and gay and retarded, except now you're a cold gay retard with no ammo.
+--- 2553987
+>>2553983
+>very cold and gay and retarded
+kek
+--- 2554010
+Underestimating nature because you are used to infrastructure
+People don't seem to realize that there is not just a warm door to walk into around the corner if something happens
+you are just one stupid mistake from dying a faggots death at all times when /out/
+--- 2554014
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Relaxing
+--- 2554016
+Underestimating wet weather conditions especially in early spring and autumn or in the mountains often leads to the number one cause of death: Hypothermia. 
+
+Getting lost or injuring your feet/legs is probably not far behind.
+
+And also not having a gun.
+--- 2554116
+>>2554010
+It really instills a lot of respect for people that came over from Europe to the new world.
+--- 2554157
+>>2553983
+Have you ever burned modern powder? It burns far slower than black powder. Pull the bullet out of a rifle cartridge and pour the powder in a small pile. Touch it off with a match. You get a huge flare up that will last a couple seconds and can start dry tinder easily.
+--- 2554160
+>>2554157
+>if you have a match and dry tinder you can light a fire
+yeah
+--- 2554162
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Depends on your definition of easy. Low effort = exposure or drowning. Quickest = fall to your death. Least painful = CO poisoning in a hot tent.
+--- 2554586
+>>2554162
+basic needs for survival
+1) AIR, thus drowning and allergies closing off your throat valve/lungs
+2) Water, dehydration, bleeding out, and generally not having enough water will cause you to be a blabbering/quiet death in most cases. Also drinking most water sources without filtering/boiling will lead to massive amounts of Diarrhea, a major killer in third-world countries and places with shit water.
+3) Food, but most Americans are fat-asses that could naturally survive for weeks, sometimes Months without food. Also most people don't know what is safe to eat(mushrooms are crap for nutrition and return on investment), berries are often VERY POISONOUS, same for several kinds of leaves and roots. Most don't know how to kill, bleed, skin and process their own meats(half of hunters included here) And fish are becoming more and more stocked by the respective states that have area's to fish in just to meet demand.
+4) SHELTER, this one can jump up to the second place. In extreme heat or extreme cold(water/wind/sleet/snow). This is more important than a fucking fire. But everyone thinks that a fire is the one solution to all their woe's, and end up burning themselves and everyone else's homes to ash in dry regions.
+Someone doesn't dress for the weather, goes to a hiking trail/camp area, gets lost or spooked/chased/drug bender. Doesn't have a sweater/windbreaker and starts freezing. Drifts off to sleep. Passes. Desert climates tends to catch those who live in them off guard way too frequently. Go and its over a hundred during the day. Only have a tanktop/swimming trunks and t-shirt on. Get lost, fart around, turns to night. Desert turns cold FAST. Sweaty clothes chill them, they shiver, dehydrate. Die. People go to ski-slope, ski off trail. Get lost. No reception because most mountains block all signals. Sun goes down. GET VERY COLD. Didn't pack a blanket/wind barrier. Freeze.
+Major injuries, usually from falling/slipping, jumping over shit for shits/tiktok.
+--- 2554750
+>>2554586
+>Americans are fat-asses that could naturally survive for weeks, sometimes Months without food.
+Truly the most powerful race. When then world supply lines collapse and food is gone, Americans will rise from the ashes months later into a new golden American age.
+--- 2554773
+exposure, heat or cold is easily number 1. then injury including from a slip or fall. i'd think animals or just being a general idiot is number 3. plenty of people get drunk or high and then fall, drown, hit an artery with a blade, fight a bear, shoot them selves or whatever else.
+--- 2555463
+Sasquatch probably
+--- 2555813
+Wearing cotton.
+--- 2555815
+falling
+--- 2555822
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Being killed by angry people with snowmobiles (aka "an avalanche").
+--- 2555926
+>>2555815
+while taking a selfie at the edge of a cliff
+--- 2556078
+>>2553471
+>in my experience
+do you die often?
+--- 2556083
+>>2553496
+Video game child logic
+--- 2556374
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Stupidity.
+--- 2556390
+Going by deaths that have occured near me, and in no particular order:
+>fixed blade knives
+for some reason several outdoorspeople have apparently died in my area from either accidentally stabbing themselves when they slip and fall on their backpack, or accidentally cutting a major artery in their leg (perhaps due to their sheath failing?)
+>avalanches, especially snowmobilers
+>tree wells, skiers and snowboarders
+>snow buried stream, snowboarders
+>using small craft during a storm
+>diving in shallow water
+>swept away by currents, rivers
+>hypothermia
+>equipment failure, rock climbing
+>wildlife (very rare, usually from cornering or pursuing animals)
+>boat collisions, or getting hit by a boat
+
+Overpacking and poorly packed rucks seems to be a frequent issue. Carrying a rifle is fun, I think less convenient than one would expect. Usually wildlife is a long ways off by the time you get there. And it isn't usually very convenient to hunt for things, with the exception of grouse.
+--- 2558059
+>>2555463
+THIS
+--- 2558113
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Easiest? Suicide. Most likely? Dehydration or exposure, depending on the weather.
+--- 2559503
+Lack of water and unfamiliarity with climate. It's easier to die in hot places. We can live a long time without food, not so much without water.
+Aimo Koivunen's story tells us that even without fire its not that fucking hard to survive in the winter.
+
+Everything else can more or less be planned with gear. There's a very low chance will die of hypothermia if you're going somewhere and know how to prepare for the cold. If you get too hot you can open up your jacket or take off layers. As long as you have a fire and a shelter that blocks wind you can be pretty comfy.
+
+https://youtu.be/h8HPzyZPyL0 [Embed]
+--- 2559522
+>>2556078
+kek this made me laugh, thank you anon
+--- 2560180
+not replying to this post
+--- 2560453
+Falling, drowning, unpreparedness for weather, laying on the earth, lightning, falling wood or earth, and self-impalement/lacerations with huge knifes you don't need.
+--- 2560472
+stab yourself accidentally to thigh and pull knife out
+--- 2560774
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Underequipment
+--- 2560784
+>>2553468 (OP)
+>Easiest
+Hunting accident, hands down. Wander into the wrong spot, don't wear orange, catch a .30-06 to the dome, wake up on the big gold escalator to the clouds not knowing what happened.
+--- 2561095
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Easiest is powersports by far. Handful of people get killed every year in my state in ATV or snowmobile accidents. Just drive them too fast, fail to negotiate a curve, 50MPH headlong into a tree and you get to see Queen Elizabeth II again (unless you've been a righteous person, which I doubt since you're on here).
+
+Also, cliffs. The most beautiful parts of nature are also the ones where you die if you step the wrong way. A lot of deaths occur on mountains in bad weather conditions when the rocks are slippery.
+
+Compounding both of those is alcohol or other intoxicants. Most people that die /out/ are not sober when it happens. It's a ton of fun to get drunk or high and ride snowmobiles at reckless speeds or climb around on mountains in the rain. Sometimes it just kills you.
+--- 2562267
+Compelling natural force, duh
+--- 2562290
+>pop some tramadol + alcohol
+>fall asleep in -30C temperature
+--- 2562607
+>>2553468 (OP)
+farting REALLY hard, sometimes everything else starts flowing out with the fart, or in the worst case, it backfires and blows your head clean off. Seen it happen too many times.
+--- 2563370
+>>2553468 (OP)
+1) injury
+2) exposure
+3) dehydration
+Pretty much in that order but any of them can lead to another one of these being the one that actually kills you
+--- 2563852
+>>2553468 (OP)
+It depends on what you mean by easiest and what you're outing is 
+If you're on a mountain it's probably just taking a tumble
+If you're camping I'd wager hypothermia
+--- 2564687
+>>2553468 (OP)
+alcohol, night and swimming
+--- 2564723
+>>2554750
+still need fiber, nutrients that get pissed out, salt being one, water being another, look up those somewhat messed up diets for those going long term no real food to keep from fucking up your internal organs and surviving
+--- 2564734
+How painful/instant is a falling tree branch death? Not talking about a whole tree just imagine like a 10 ft branch breaking off and landing on your tent
+--- 2566990
+>>2553983
+Paul Harrell did a video on this. Rifle powder can and will get a fire going.
+--- 2566997
+>>2553496
+Made the euragatans seethe anon, guns from scary vidya is too much for them
+--- 2567676
+bear
+it's always bear
+--- 2567776
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Telling nobody where you’re going.
+If you’re a noob then it’s going out of your depth.
+--- 2567868
+>>2553496
+>>Lost: 3 evenly spaced shots every hour or two or when you think you might be in earshot of someone
+There are 130db survival whistles that only weigh 1oz.
+--- 2567870
+>>2553496
+based
+europites seething itt lol
+--- 2567883
+>>2559503
+>https://youtu.be/h8HPzyZPyL0 [Embed] [Embed]
+this was pleasant thnx
+--- 2567889
+>>2554586
+At the very least know basic land navigation or have a pre-set panic azimuth in terms of getting lost.
+--- 2567890
+>>2555463
+based squatchposter
+--- 2567895
+>>2553468 (OP)
+Getting married 
+https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0910/Glacier-Park-murder-Newlywed-confesses-pushing-her-groom-off-a-cliff
+--- 2567908
+>>2567676
+*beer
+ftfy
+--- 2568064
+>>2567895
+>textspeak in 2013
+Dead giveaway. Learnt from experience, this nigga died for some BPD clutz.
+--- 2568136
+>>2553496
+if this is the average type of person who goes /out/ i guess we can add "getting shot by a retard" to the list

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+--- 2554084
+I've never felt creeped out by hikes or camping trips abroad. But I often get creeped out in the US and Canada. And I think I had a legitimate encounter with a feral man in Tennessee. I guess part of it might be the vastness of the forests and the wilderness but even so when you get "that feeling" it feels deeper than that. 
+
+I was camping in the Unaka mountain wilderness area and I had a feeling I was being watched. This was a single night hike and I was on the verge of turning around because I just started feeling sick. Not as in feeling ill but I sensed in my stomach something was wrong like I was being watched. When I went to sleep I was frozen with fear in my tent and I heard shuffling outside and just lay there sweating like crazy. I left a pool of sweat even though it wasn't hot out. When I woke up there were prints all around my tent - they weren't boot prints they were in the shape of a human but were flat like somebody was wearing moccasins or something. 
+
+To this day I am convinced this was a feral person, which have been known to exist in Appalachia. 
+
+Anybody else feel way more creeped out in North American forests than when they camp abroad? You'd think it would be the other way around due to familiarity. And have any Euros felt creeped out in North America?
+--- 2554086
+>>2554084 (OP)
+You can't run away from mental illness. Traveling doesn't make it better anon...
+--- 2554088
+>>2554086
+>>2554086
+How is it mental illness. Feral people are documented and it's a first hand experience. Also, many more people go missing in the US Wilderness and many who are found have stories about feral people, or people who hide behind trees. Trust me it's real and I saw it myself. I always get the creeps worse than I had it before when camping now.
+--- 2554089
+Pray to God for mercy and peace and no harm will come.
+--- 2554090
+>>2554088
+I live in Appalachia and I have seen several things on my hikes that never made any sense. Shifting landscapes, light rods flying past during the day, laughter in the woods, silence so deep that you feel it. The woods of Appalachia are old and plenty of spooky ghosts.
+--- 2554091
+>>2554084 (OP)
+>I had a feeling I was being watched.
+So the gillie suit and new camofluaged plague doctor mask worked out.
+--- 2554095
+In Canada, yes. Mid and Southern US is fine. There is a difference between feeling creeped out because of a moose or bear nearby and feeling "creeped out" like in your story.
+
+The only thing that came close to my Canada experience in Europe was in the Finnish Lappland near the Russian border. This is no man's land, 
+No trails, no humans, only swamps, hills, birch forests, moose and bear. I had not seen another person for five or six days. It was early in the morning already light out and I was sleeping with my head against the inner and outer tent fabric. Suddenly my dream starts to get lucid and I dream/hear someone chanting, repetitive like a shaman. Something is pressed against my neck and I wake up. I don't move. Chanting continues. Eventually he releases my neck from the outside and I hear him walk away. It felt like he marked or blessed me for something good and bad at the same time. I didn't lose the feeling for the rest of the trip even today maybe.
+--- 2554101
+>>2554095
+My nigga you got molested by Vladimir Putin in the woods.
+--- 2554126
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Do you live somewhere with nonFeral People? I grew up in Siskiyou County California and now I live in the Mississippi Bayou and there were/are plenty of Feral People in both. No land taxes, no sales taxes, no income taxes, no healthcare taxes, no disability taxes, no social security taxes, just people living, and yes most of them wear moccasins. If a Feral Person isn’t wearing moccasins they’re probably a murderer and will make you a part of an urban legend to steal your boots.
+--- 2554133
+>>2554090
+yes. that feeling of ancientness is something i love about these mountains and it's why I show them so much respect. just like in the middle of wide open spaces you feel impossibly small, here you feel impossibly young. I want to disappear into this place.
+--- 2554139
+>feral people
+you mean meth addicts?
+--- 2554146
+>>2554139
+We call them the "unhoused" now.
+--- 2554158
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Perhaps your just a gianormous pussy?
+--- 2554159
+>>2554084 (OP)
+
+Indian ghosts
+--- 2554163
+>>2554139
+Feral people are people who live off the land like hermits. Meth addicts aren't that handy even though they live in rural towns.
+
+>>2554158
+They why don't I feel afraid abroad?
+--- 2554164
+Oh grow the fuck up already. There's no such thing as feral people. And all the stories have been greatly exaggerated by the shock media. The disappearances in USA wilderness is entirely due to it's vastness compared to Europe. If feral people existed there would be better evidence. And just because some hick police think it's true isn't evidence. Quit spreading this utterly ridiculous BS. People will start to blame county commissioners who are innocent.
+--- 2554167
+>>2554163
+>Meth addicts aren't that handy
+How handy do you need to be to chase a small animal for 6 hours straight and eat it raw?
+--- 2554172
+>>2554167
+No. As somebody who grew up around feral people you're being disrespectful. Feral people are people who live in the woods and are defensive of their territory. They usually can't speak well anymore. They're not fucking meth cooks how would they get their fix deep in the woods? What OP is exactly what you should do if you're being tracked. Don't panic, don't threaten them, don't act scared. Walk until you're out of your territory. They probably will take a look at your camp but it's rare they kill or kidnap anybody (but it can happen).
+--- 2554174
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXvI0bsuGPk [Embed]
+--- 2554175
+FERAL PEOPLE DON'T EXIST. You're going to ruin the reputations of entire counties with this bullshit peddling. People who worked their fucking asses off to become county commissioners will get blamed.
+--- 2554180
+>>2554175
+>>2554167
+county commissioners are the ones supporting the feral meth addicts. they bring the meth into the woods and give it to the meth addicts to scare them away from the sacred hidden gold
+--- 2554198
+PNW forests, especially old growth forests like the Hoh rain forest, are probably some of the comfiest, most serene, in touch with God and nature that you can be anon. The silence is deafening because you are in an area that (if hiking through national forest land) may not have had anyone in that spot for decades if not centuries. Absolute shame the states of Oregon and Washington, once the end of the Oregon trail where only the hardiest and most driven people flocked too are now liberal nanny states ruined by transexual communists who are not only the antithesis to nature, but actively despise it.
+--- 2554205
+enjoy
+https://youtu.be/dClXm6evw54 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/wF2fa2nY0oo [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/fE5t8GIMepM [Embed]
+--- 2554208
+>The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted
+--- 2554229
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Actual biodiversity and surviving old growth. Euro forests are practically park greens.
+--- 2554233
+>>2554084 (OP)
+I am christian. This world is run by satanists who kidnap 100k children every year. They need a constant source of blood for whatever purposes, the life & soul is in the blood. They probably snatch alot of people out in the wilderness.
+
+Trust your instincts. Pray to God and ask him to protect your going in and outs.
+--- 2554234
+>>2554095
+>It felt like he marked or blessed me for something good and bad at the same time
+
+That was a curse being placed upon you. Rebuke what happened to you in the name of Yahuah.
+--- 2554236
+>>2554084 (OP)
+I feel safe when out, started camping by myself pretty young to be safe so maybe that's why.
+--- 2554237
+don't google "NSA forest people experiment"
+--- 2554239
+>What went we out into this wilderness to find?
+--- 2554240
+>>2554084 (OP)
+>Why are North American Forests so Creepy?
+Because you are a fag, and larper. 
+And conveniently, you can't post any photos of you actually going outside.
+--- 2554248
+>>2554095
+My buddy and I were camping very remote, late winter PNW. He dreampt of hands pressing along the outer walls of tent, hands feeling his ears/shoulder. I woke to geurilla hooting to my right, then a deep gutteral voice rebuking the hooter just behind/above me. I too laid in shocked terror for about 2 hours until i couldnt handle it anymore, go out fighting. The two creatures thrashed outta there fast when i started yelling. Could be feral folk but I believe in bigfoot. 100%, though be he terrestial or visitor I dunno
+--- 2554277
+>>2554240
+>if you don't take pictures of yourself doing a thing, you didn't really do it
+Social media was a mistake
+--- 2554281
+>>2554277
+You will keep scrambling to find any excuse to avoid posting photo evidence that you go outside - because you don't have any. Because you don't actually go outside.
+And deep down, you know that I know, and you also know that the other anons that read this will also know you don't go outside. You'll feel embarrassed and you'll seethe repeatedly, still replying to this in a desperate bid to convince yourself that you didn't fail at something as basic as hiking. You've embarrassed and disappointed yourself enough today.
+--- 2554285
+>>2554090
+there is a lot going on in Appalachia by the way, not a shop pic related.
+--- 2554287
+>>2554240
+>>2554281
+>THERE'S NOTHING CREEPY IN THE FORESTS! 
+>POST A PICTURE CHUD
+STFU faggot.
+--- 2554357
+>>2554281
+>seething this hard because other people aren't insta whores
+--- 2554369
+>>2554172
+How do you grow up around feral people? Aren't they incredibly rare, especially nowadays?
+--- 2554383
+>>2554369
+If you grow up in certain bumfuck hick areas of the US you might run into them. You probably won't run into them in your town unless they are really fucked for food (which is rare because they are masters of living outdoors). But if you hunting and do multi-day treks and things like this you might come across them. I grew up in deep mountain country and it was known there were feral in the woods. My dad was never afraid of them and we were tracked multiple times during our camping and hunting trips. My dad would leave out supplies for them like matches. But they almost never took it - it's more to show good will. You have to remember, feral people weren't born feral. They are loner hermits who go to the woods usually after turning 18 or after some catastrophic life event. They feel pride on doing things without help so they probably won't take your "gift" you leave out. But it's a good way to say "I know you're here, I"m not messing with you, I come in peace." Because they have been living tax free and off the gov's radar, often breaking fish and wildlife regulations they're very paranoid of people.
+--- 2554384
+>>2554383
+But also I don't want to paint a rosy picture. Not all ferals are harmless hermits. A lot of disappearances in Appalachia are due to feral humans, especially girls.
+--- 2554387
+>>2554084 (OP)
+OP, that looks comfy as fuck. 
+Not sure what your deal is.
+--- 2554388
+>>2554387
+Why are retards in this thread acting like just because something is comfy doesn't mean it can't be creepy? A lot of the comfiest places are filled with the most bizarre disappearances. Nobody said it's not comfy or beautiful or fun, if it wasn't I'm sure OP wouldn't be hiking despite his scary experience with a feral human.
+--- 2554391
+>>2554388
+Because being creeped out is synonymous with being uncomfortable you obnoxious troon
+--- 2554396
+>>2554391
+Wrong. I've been in comfy areas and heard strange things and still enjoy my time. Being scared of a feral person or a strange occurrence doesn't preclude you from enjoying the nature itself. The adrenaline can even add to the experience.
+--- 2554400
+>>2554388
+It's not creepy at all, that looks inviting and beautiful. 
+
+You have issues if woodlands like that make you uneasy.
+--- 2554404
+>>2554400
+You guys, once again, are misinterpreting it. The look of the forest is not the creepy party. It's what HAPPENS in the forest. It's not the trees that are scary. It's the feral people and disappearances, the screams, the shadow people etc. I've never seen this in Europe. And in places like Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. even Maine I've never felt creeped out. This is mostly about deep Appalachia and what goes on there.
+
+Also you kind of sound like a faggot
+>Ugh mental health is so so important!!! You probs need to see a therapist and go on le ebic psych meds!!!
+--- 2554405
+>>2554404
+I live in Kentucky. You know what happens in the woods here if you mind your business?
+
+Nothing. 
+Other than possums fucking and coons copulating, nothing will happen to you.
+--- 2554407
+>>2554405
+Have you ever gone on multi-day off trail treks? Because if you really are in KT and haven't experienced anything strange then I think you're probably being paid by your county commissioners office. Fuck off fed faggot.
+--- 2554409
+>>2554383
+Are you sure these "feral humans" aren't just retards going into the woods on drugs?
+--- 2554423
+>>2554407
+AHAHAHAH! 
+You are fucking bonkers. Seek help bud.
+
+>>2554409
+He got spooked by a bunch of rednecks in side-by's playing lynrd skynrd, and thought the Goat Man was onto him.
+--- 2554424
+>>2554423
+County commissioner faggot fuck off.
+--- 2554427
+>>2554424
+Nah, I'm going to watch you unravel, thinking the mothman is going to swoop down and give you the creeps or some shit. 
+
+FFS man, not everyone is spooked by an owl hooting, like you are.
+--- 2554475
+>>2554198
+I always wondered how descendants of such hardy men can turn out like that. Does ancestry not make any influence in character then? Is it all just a material thing. Who knows
+--- 2554479
+North America is cursed land. Very rarely are the people here not retarded or downright evil. The wilderness bleeds that aura outward. So long as you show no fear, you’ll be alright.
+--- 2554728
+>>2554479
+>aura
+Typical crystal-gazing, navel-gazing, self-obsessed New Age bullshit. My Mom was into that crap for decades until she got the menopause and realized no amount of meditation, aura massages, yoga, and incense would restore her youth, grant her immortality, or fetch her a new man post-divorce and post-eggs. She's really weaned herself off that claptrap in recent years. It's all quite ironic, because New Age shit heavily apes Buddhism (superficially, that is), and Buddhism is about NOT gazing at your navel and NOT becoming attached to physicality. Women are of course unable to understand this as a whole gender.
+
+Anyway, the Earth doesn't care about you at all. There is no aura or vibe; it's all in your head. The Earth didn't care about the Permian extinction, it didn't care about the Cretaceous extinction, it didn't care when homo sapiens out-competed the Neanderthals, it didn't care when Native Americans genocided each other, it didn't care when white men genocided the Native Americans, and it doesn't care about the Holocene extinction (i.e., what we 8 billion human cockroaches are doing to flora and fauna right now).
+
+In 50 million years, we and almost every trace of our civilization will be gone, there'll be whole new continental configurations, new species of flora and fauna, and the Earth still won't care. Pure egotism to think that nature gives a damn about you one way or the other.
+--- 2554732
+>>2554728
+--- 2554734
+>>2554732
+good post. this is the kind of quality I expect from nu-out.
+--- 2554736
+>>2554734
+The Earth doesn't care about /out/
+
+Checkmate
+--- 2554739
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Well, it's a big place. Canada and the US are like twice as big as all of Europe. 
+
+There's stories around where I live, northern Rocky mountains, about a guy who does this shit. Basically, when a person is camping alone, or just 2 people, and they're drinking and such, and not if they have dogs, he finds a chance to sneak up and put something in the bottle that makes them pass out.
+
+I've never heard any stories about him raping them or anything, he just takes pictures of them asleep with their phones, steals some cash and food, and leaves them alone besides that.
+
+I used to think this was just a local legend, because the stories were always like "my friend's cousin's boyfriend" and shit like that, but then it happened to a friend of mine and I saw the pictures myself. 
+
+My opinion is that it's a Kaczynski kind of guy who has taken a different approach.
+--- 2554763
+>>2554277
+4chan is social media, retard.
+--- 2554764
+>>2554475
+I dunno anom but it's really sad the states are so cucked.
+--- 2554765
+>>2554763
+No shit faggot but it's a half brain opinion to group it with Instagram or Twitter. You stupid bitch. Send me your address so I can take a shit in a plastic bag and send it to you.
+--- 2554772
+>>2554764
+As gay as the states are, Europe has it worse. I laugh when people call China a surveillance state, while England has more cameras per square mile, (or square kilometer, if you prefer) than China
+
+Anyway, ain't no reason to make a dick measuring contest out of it. The US may have less cameras but they're still watching us all the time, in other ways. We're all getting fucked. The only question is, when will we do something about it?
+--- 2554829
+>>2554772
+>The only question is, when will we do something about it?
+As the old adage goes, civilization is only nine (or seven, or three) missed meals away from anarchy. When people get hungry, and especially when their children get hungry, then they'll be ready to burn down the palatial estates of the elite.
+
+Of course, these days, it's often too late by the time things get that far, because we're better at providing cattle feed to the poor than in ancient times; and of course we have globalism and planes now, so the elite will simply flee like the parasitic cowards they really are. The only consolation is that they'll spend the rest of their lives as strangers in a strange land always looking over their shoulders, because the world will quickly forget them, but their people will not and those people will be out for revenge (if they can get it).
+--- 2554856
+>>2554205
+Mr.Ballen is a fucking moron. He always gets his facts wrong and "reports" of pure bs shock shit.
+--- 2554865
+I go out into the middle of the woods at night with a flashlight. I have an internal first person monologue that narrates the adventures.
+Something out there in the wild was calling me. I had a funny feeling that this would end with me dead in the end, still, my curiosity had overcome my reasoning, I had to do this, I don’t know why but I had to do it.
+--- 2554871
+>>2554856
+he makes no distinction between truth and tall tale. his whole appeal is his animated storytelling style and everything he says should be treated as a work of entertainment
+--- 2554888
+>>2554404
+Not really sure what you're on about OP I'm non-american and I don't look at Appalachia and think it looks creepy at all! It looks pretty cosy!
+--- 2554889
+>>2554772
+Every country in the world has a ridonkulous amount of cameras per square mile they're called mobile phones
+--- 2554893
+>>2554888
+>Not really sure what you're on about OP I'm non-american and I don't look at Appalachia and think it looks creepy at all! It looks pretty cosy
+I live in southern Appalachia and I think these fruits are coming down here from NOVA to "experience a wild and spiritual journey of personal growth," but then they lie down on their $600 worth of doubled-up self-inflating mattresses and let Deliverance, a few specific X-Files episodes, and Sasquatch and ghost hunter shlock TV shows run their imaginations wild.
+
+It's especially fuckwitted because cryptid hunter shows deploy shitloads of (probably prop) equipment and still have to shake pots and pans off-camera to pretend they found anything at all.
+--- 2554919
+>>2554285
+I'm not schizo so you'll have to explain what's "going on" in your picture.
+--- 2554923
+>>2554772
+>England has more cameras per square mile
+Absolutely useless way of comparing countries. You put cameras where the people are. China is fucking huge. Everyone lives near the coast in the south. There are vast deserts where no one goes. England is really small. Every square inch has been inhabited since Roman times.
+
+I'm not saying that cameras everywhere is good. It isn't. But try to use your head for more then a hat rack.
+--- 2555041
+>>2554163
+>They why don't I feel afraid abroad?
+No joggers?
+--- 2555111
+>>2554084 (OP)
+it's probably the grass 
+thick grass is synonymous with creepy insects and reptiles
+--- 2555167
+>>2554240
+>anything I don't like is a LARP
+fucking tired of you people ruining the board
+--- 2555289
+>>2554095
+Something similar happened to me while solo camping in San Jacinto. I was in my tent when I suddenly wake up to this beautiful naked woman touching me! Yelled you can’t touch my “NONONO ZONE!” And started to pummel her. Then all the sudden I wake up. Like nothing ever happened. Moral of the story don’t let wenches of the woods touch you nono zone.
+--- 2555513
+What path do you choose?
+--- 2555522
+>>2554084 (OP)
+do you know how to get to bells canyon?
+--- 2555622
+>>2555522
+Ah yes, the the beast from the woods, we meet again.
+
+https://youtu.be/BRtI3P7pJO0 [Embed]
+--- 2555630
+>>2554084 (OP)
+I've spent a lot of time in forests in many different parts of the US and Canada. Appalachia easily the creepiest, but I'd put the dense damp literal rainforests of the PNW as second. I've had encounters with "hill folk" in the Cascades that would rival any WV holler or Ozark backwoods, people that look very clearly "devolved." A far lesser known creepy woods spot is the Uinta Range in NE Utah, this is not far from the Skinwalker Ranch and I've never had such a strong feeling that I was being watched.
+--- 2555654
+>>2555513
+When in doubt, the right way.
+--- 2555655
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Cuz the Wendigos
+--- 2555806
+German forests are fucking fake and gay.
+They feel more like Tree Factories than wilderness.
+Everything fucking sucks here.
+--- 2555811
+>>2554919
+>He doesn´t have severe Pareidolia...
+ngmi
+--- 2556009
+>>2554888
+It is. 
+>>2554893
+
+The fucking barrage of idiotic films and programs that make anyone not living in an overcrowded city look like a sociopath does not help things, but yes, the puerile tripe you mentioned does not help.
+--- 2556011
+>>2555513
+If I'm dressed like that, and with a near empty pack, I'm turning around and going home.
+--- 2556020
+>>2555806
+this. I fucking hate it here. The only forest I know of that is nice is the black forrest. The problem I have is that everywhere is infrastructure of some kind so you can't go off track. Plus everywhere are parking lots so everyone can go to the good places without any problems.
+--- 2556161
+>>2554084 (OP)
+They aren't. You have a mental problem.
+>>2554086
+this anon gets it.
+>>2554090
+post tits
+--- 2556309
+>>2554090
+>silence so deep you feel it
+Most sounds are explainable. Sometimes the woods fucks with the noise of a trickling stream to make it sound like someone, eternally out of line of sight, is talking. Animal calls are warped in unusual ways to sound like vehicles, and sometimes that twig that snapped just decided to do so on its own. That silence though... I've never found an explanation for those moments when you feel like screaming wont make a sound.
+--- 2556330
+>>2554095
+God bless Russia's inability to regulate their forests like annoying Americans do
+--- 2556332
+>>2554101
+Putin Derrangement Syndrome. Ukraine is losing. Get over it.
+--- 2556345
+>>2554084 (OP)
+The historical poverty in the area lends credence to your words. I'll believe it.
+--- 2556353
+>>2554126
+Could you tell more about feral people? I've passed through Weed before. That whole area is wilderness. Didn't run into any feral people though. Why would you leave? It's so damn pretty out there. Mississippi swamp I spent a lot of my childhood there but it was within a retirement community visiting my grandparents. Didn't get to explore. Very, very muggy. Full of bugs.
+--- 2556361
+>>2554198
+What are you talking about? They have some seriously strict laws to protect the wilderness. They segregate the shit you're taking about. Why are you in the cities with the homeless? Why are people so ignorant of the PNW? How many retards can there be on this website? Is it sour grapes because you think you can't afford to live there? There's plenty of small mountain towns you could move to. Your neighbors will all be white, and addicted to meth. The homeless are white too. It's a white haven!
+--- 2556453
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Idk I live in Michigan. Parents have 40 acres of land, never once camped in it because it gives myself and others the heebie jeebies at night. During the day all is well. Dad allegedly saw people in 1800's clothing one time walking down to the barn, handful of times of sounding like I was being stalked by something, yet nothing visible, in the 90's myself and some halloween gatherers at neighbors saw the obligatory Black Triangle. Maybe a freak space time warp there.
+Also:
+>was part of larger acreage 
+>another house was around 1/2 mile NW of the current one 
+>numerous people died of fever in the winter
+>bodies stored in the attic
+>nearby swamp has 4 large stones at the 4 cardinal directions
+--- 2556458
+>>2556330
+new growth/old growth is logging industry propaganda that won't die
+--- 2556479
+>>2554164
+there's literally dozens of Wikipedia articles on well documented feral people and the efforts we have taken to see if they can be normalized. Jesus fucking Christ read a book once in a while you troglodyte
+--- 2556481
+Anywhere particularly creepy and isolated I can visit in New Mexico? Looking for a good thrill, solo night hiking, getting chased by satanists after accidentally stumbling on their territory, sex with skinwalkers whatever.
+--- 2556487
+>>2556481
+NMfag here, check out Mogollon, north of Silver City. Proper ghost town. Also old Highway 666 from Shiprock to Gallup after dark is spooky as all fuck. Bring a full tank of gas and a large firearm. NM is a CURSED land.
+--- 2556490
+>>2555806
+You're not even German. You are some kind of lowlander. There is plenty of natural forest in the hill country. Not oldgrowth of course but you scarcely even find that in Scandinavia nowdays.
+--- 2556496
+>>2556487
+Thanks m8
+--- 2556498
+>>2556487
+That's also rez land.
+ Don't be fucking about off highway after dark, playing spooky-spook with a gun on rez land.
+--- 2556499
+>>2556481
+Sacramento or Timberon, doesn't have a gas station, elk everywhere, no street lights, pretty much no paved roads
+--- 2556503
+>>2556481
+>>2556499
+also plenty of camping and spots on the way out to the VLA, it's very remote without lights for the satellite dishes, so no light pollution out there
+ft stanton near ruidoso is worth seein, valley of fires is up the road from the stallion gate that leads to the Trinity Test Site (1st atomic detonation but that's only open 2days out of the year since it's on airforce missile land)
+--- 2556511
+>>2556490
+halt die fresse du dummer hurensohn
+--- 2556538
+>>2555806
+not bad considering what they looked like off and on the last 100 years
+--- 2556543
+>>2554146
+Unironically, the term is “people experiencing homelessness” 
+
+News headline: “woman hit by train at 2am was experiencing homelessness”
+--- 2556544
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Trust your gut feeling, it's 99% of the time right.
+If you feel watched, you are being watched.
+If it's a hunter, deer or a squirrel watching you it will be the same feeling.
+A 6th sense a select few have unlocked.
+jhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhoppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppuu77777888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888p
+that's my cats warning to you
+--- 2556548
+>>2554174
+Kek'd
+--- 2556597
+>>2556543
+The next PC term will be "residentially challenged" mark my words.
+--- 2556687
+I understand that some people who make /x/ tier posts can be pretty gay sometimes, but the people who counterpost come off as spiritually dead and gay. These people have never camped somewhere without a park bench. Soul dead people tend not to be welcome in the wild.
+--- 2558391
+>>2554084 (OP)
+There is nothing spooky in the woods. Animals are terrified or curious of you, and the people are friendly. Abandon the trail anon, go bushwhacking. Venture further and experience places most people dont even know exist. Don't be afraid of some trees, anon, its not like you work in the logging industry or something. Embrace the silence, follow the solitude.
+
+t. have done bush work for some time in very remote places in northern Canada
+--- 2558583
+>>2554090
+Shut the fuck up man I've been all throughout the appalachia and there's nothing paranormal out there, you're just paranoid. The weirdest thing that could ever happen in the wilderness is other people and that's it.
+--- 2558591
+>>2554919
+Face in the clouds. God this thread is loaded with NPCs who haven't gone to a parking lot let alone the woods.
+--- 2558604
+>>2554084 (OP)
+>creepy
+You mean comfy? Everytime I hike through a European new growth forest with barely any undergrowth or biodiversity to speak of, something screams inside me that something's very, very wrong. My ancestors have ruined this land and left nothing unspoiled.
+--- 2558607
+>>2556687
+You know what's annoying? People always talking about how west virginia for example has cryptids and all that bullshit, when they're not even from there nor have they ever been. Imagine trying to tell someone that lives there that you know more than them. lol
+--- 2558608
+>>2554240
+>>2554281
+Go touch grass.
+--- 2558622
+>>2558607
+You just named 95% of /out/...
+--- 2559924
+>>2554865
+Great game
+--- 2559928
+>>2558591
+>if you don't think clouds are proof of spoopy shit then you're an NPC who has never been outside
+okay
+--- 2559944
+>>2554175
+Sounds like a county commissioner whose not doing his job accounting for all the feral people in his precinct. Your supervisor is going to be very disappointed in you.
+--- 2559988
+>>2554084 (OP)
+I feel the same way. Old world landscapes and forests feel familiar and safe, but the new world (especially Australia) is creepy as. Australian trees are shaped like veins in lungs, and grow in unpredictable ways, european pines stand straight like soldiers. Just my thoughts having been in both.
+--- 2560005
+>>2555806
+Kind of reminds me of the conservation areas surrounding Toronto in the so called greenbelt. They logged the shit out of Southern Ontario decades ago, and re-planted the forests with fast growing pines, cedars and maples all in big rows with very little diversity. Many of the trails now tend to feel pretty sterile and monotonous as a result, very far away from nature. Although it's still a breath of fresh air (literally) getting out of the city when you don't have time for a longer trip.
+--- 2560019
+>>2555630
+>A far lesser known creepy woods spot is the Uinta Range in NE Utah
+The Uinta Mountains are a magical place. One of the few mountain ranges in North America to run East to West. Lots of memories solo hunting and backpacking deep in the numerous basins it has to offer, and climbing the high ridges into some deadfall hell holes I should've never been in. Creepiest places I've experienced have been on the North Slope in those high open meadows and some of the lakes. Had some really strange feelings when I camped alone at one of the lakes one night. Felt a wash of relief once morning came and I hiked out. Other than that I've never really experienced anything out of sorts either on the North or South Slope.
+--- 2560023
+>>2554084 (OP)
+appalachia is big NOPE country
+--- 2560056
+I road my bike down a forest service trail for about 5 miles then just decided to park my bike and just start walking in the woods. I got about 2 miles in when I came across a straight opening that just seemed out of place, it's just in the middle of the pic, so I followed it. It was a lot easier to walk on and I just hiked around the water. The whole time it felt creepy.
+--- 2560058
+>>2560056
+Then I came across an old submerged bridge. I noticed super old stumps with no tree next to them so I'm guessing they just made the bridge as they went along. I go off trail all the time and am never creeped out, I hunt, so I just left. Supposedly there was a paper mill and somehow, from what I was told, the sawdust exploded in a building. They weren't sure but said up to 50 people died, this was early 1900's. Forests can be creepy as fuck sometimes.
+--- 2560118
+>>2556405
+Yeah taking a deep dive on semitic religion can get wild. I mean, gods are real and all but
+>skin your penis and I'll help you conquer the world
+is just kinda an odd ask.
+All Woden and Tiw want is animal blood so it's kinda an easy choice for me. But by all means I don't wanna convert anyone
+--- 2560141
+>>2560056
+Probably an old logging area.
+--- 2560178
+>>2560058
+>somehow, from what I was told, the sawdust exploded in a building
+yeah that's fairly common dude, sawdust is extremely flammable
+if it's in huge quantities and dry it doesn't take muc of a spark to set it off
+--- 2560217
+>>2555513
+The one less travelled.
+--- 2560327
+>>2560217
+t. bobby chill
+--- 2560426
+>>2554084 (OP)
+heh
+--- 2560457
+>>2560058
+Forests are like people. Some are friendly and cheerful, others are gloomy and anxious. Some are benevolent and others are malevolent. They carry the scars of the past.
+--- 2560477
+>>2554287
+bro nice Breath of the Wild screen shot. That the HD mod?
+--- 2560492
+I know this thread is on the verge of devolving into a skin walker creepypasta thread, but i have a real question.
+I'm European and I don't know shit, but i bought some of the foxfire books.
+
+The people they describe aren't feral but really remote, insular and detached from the "real world".
+I have utmost respect for these people.
+Do they still exist ?
+--- 2560495
+>>2558591
+I see chad spiderman making a kissy face, not God
+--- 2562340
+>>2554084 (OP)
+I've never been able to sleep in a forest because I imagine being eaten by wild animals. There's also spirits.
+--- 2562348
+>>2556361
+I lived in Oregon and Washington for about 7 years total retard, from Springfield and Lane County to Portland to Seattle and out near the OP for a bit. Have you driven out east from Seattle towards the pass? Cutting down the woods to build shitty, ugly condos. With more treats getting cut down the water ways get blown out. Combined with littering and more trash, this has been brutal for steelhead breeding and their grounds. 
+Aside from that, both Oregon and Seattle control the politics of the state and if you can't see how detrimental that has been not only to the environment but personal freedoms over the last 20ish years, you are also retarded and gay. The OP, national parks/forests, and other vast swaths of Oregon and Washington are still mostly undestroyed, true, but that is only because the consuming plague that are the residents of Seattle and Portland haven't been forced out of their pods yet to move farther out.
+--- 2562352
+>>2562348
+Also, add in that how many of these "people" who live in these states and vote their way actually care about the environment? Not only do these obese, transexual slobs stay in their le 15 minute cities, the amount of strain they put and destruction on the environment is insane
+>buying brand new plywood overpriced condos that had the woods cut down to live in
+>new EV that not only is immensely harmful to create, but also puts huge strain on electrical grid
+>food delivery services, buy everything from Amazon/Whole Foods, work do nothing tech jobs, etc.
+But it is ok cause even though they are doing the equivalent of lighting tires on fire, they buy le carbon offsets so it works out! These people destroy the environment, they only care about it so they can virtue signal about how much they care and so they can go to local trailheads for grinder photos. 
+Thanks for letting me rant anon, I feel a bit better.
+--- 2562397
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXvI0bsuGPk [Embed]
+
+Spirits their are still untamed and the mericans faithless, spiritual manlets. No wonder so many atrocities occur on a daily basis. 
+There is a reason complex rituals have come into existence all over the world
+--- 2562969
+>>2560492
+No, not anymore. I live one county over from Rabun. There are vestiges of it though. Plenty of people still farm and garden and hunt and some of the old traditions are carried on, no one around here lives in isolation like that anymore though.
+--- 2562970
+>>2562340
+I appreciate you, bro. Thanks for staying away.
+--- 2562979
+>>2556453
+>obligatory Black Triangle
+Story time?
+--- 2562992
+>>2562969
+
+That makes sense, but it also is a little sad.
+I might be romanticizing something that's not great at all but i have crazy respect for what I've read in those books.
+--- 2563084
+>>2556309
+Just whistle then you overdramatic faggot
+--- 2563816
+>>2554404
+
+Europe has a long history of Witch hunting, Werewolf hunting. People didn't put up with scary bullshit in the woods. 
+
+While Native Americans celebrated scary bullshit in the woods. 
+
+Idfk man I'm just talking shit, I never had scary shit in NZ except when I smoke too much pot but my own house is scary when I smoke too much pot.
+--- 2563820
+>>2563816
+¥urop's witch and werewolf hunting was an urban affair. And yes like all spoops it's based in superstition or dogma, but frankly it doesn't compare to the endless and untrustworthy wild of the New World. those fuckers who boated across to Virginia and New England, literally IN the age of enlightenment, and found nothing but the tortures of the elements, wily natives, and endless continent before them, those people can be forgiven for truly fearing the woods and wondering where and how the Devil will encroach on them there. 
+
+in my own town in MA there's a spat of land known as the cedar meadow, aka "the witch woods". all the farms from the 1600s end at the cedar meadow, they never went into it. today all the old stone walls run blindly through the forest but they all border at the cedar meadow because people were afraid to go into that land and clear it, and so it has never been cleared. I personally have trekked through and it's the only place I feel truly vulnerable; you can't stand up straight and you can't see what's in front of you or behind you. just dense fucking cedar branches with barely any room to breathe. FUCK the witch woods
+
+pickeral, google map in spring shows how this played out. if you look closely you can see the stone walls skirting the cedar meadow. and also be mindful that this shit isn't nearly as intimidating via satellite, you kinda have to be there
+--- 2563847
+>>2554728
+No matter what damage we think we can do to this planet, no matter the scale, the earth will regreen, will regrow like humans were never here. Because, it has all the time in the world.
+--- 2563938
+>>2554285
+Oy vey
+--- 2564084
+>>2563847
+how long do you think it would take to completely reset? like, no ruins to be found above or below ground, not a shred of aluminum to be excavated, just zero signs we ever existed?
+
+I'm thinking by 1M years all our ruins will be erased above ground, but it would take billions for the earth to eat every scrap of trash and structure. I mean, we have rock formations that over a billion years old, so the tectonic recycling process is crazy slow
+--- 2564138
+>>2556453
+Thanks for sharing anon, but I have to say that 40 acres isn't a massive amount of land. Do you guy's not regularly go out there and manage it?
+--- 2564142
+>>2558583
+Yup. Im a fire lookout. Been over an hour away from a single soul. Had bears, wolves, rattlesnakes as the nearest guests.
+The scariest thing by far is humans. People are just scared of what they dont know and we are some of the most sheltered people on earth.
+Im not saying no, but its mostly just campfire shit to scare each other. Some people are fucking weird though.
+--- 2564143
+>>2556453
+bruh how the fuck did you never campout there? I mean I don't camp in the witch's woods but I camp nearing to it at least
+
+also the fuck is the black triangle
+--- 2564146
+>>2554475
+Wilamette valley is 70% of oregons population. Ofcourse a couple cities would eventually ruin the rest of the state. All it took was a show like portlandia or hippies to move in to live their eco trrrorist dream
+--- 2564666
+>>2558583
+>>2564142
+Same. Born and raised in the mountains, and for all the social media posing I've seen from mostly fat people, I've never once seen anything paranormal. And I always wanted to. 
+Closest to paranormal I ever really felt was going into the entrances of some old caves with just my dog, and you look in, and your brain tells you that there is someone there watching you. You can see shadows move, and you walk in some and it retreats back into the cave.
+As an adult, I learned about how the brain works and finds faces in things. As a kid though, I was positive that there was some underground people lurking in them.
+--- 2564789
+>>2555806
+Oerbos. Get lost. You don't know what is
+--- 2564805
+>>2554240
+retard
+--- 2565504
+>>2556453
+>mfw yooper
+>really into bigfoot/cryptids
+>have stalked around the most desolate forest I can find for years with zero "odd" things ever happening
+>fellow /out/ friend comes over to my place for the weekend 
+>proud bigfoot skeptic and always debated me on the subject
+>wakes me up in the middle of the night 
+>he is pale and shaking 
+>wtf bro you good?
+>tells me he saw a bigfoot, and he wants to get the fuck out of here
+>think he is joking and laugh him off and try and go back to sleep
+>he starts shaking me begging me to get up and leave because he doesn't want to walk out alone.
+>sounds like he is going to cry
+>realize he isn't joking, he is a big guy and seasoned /out/doorman who shouldn't fear walking a few miles in the dark.
+>try and ask him wtf happened but he is too shook and just begs me to pack up faster 
+>he sets the pace and we basically run out of the forest back to the dirt road my truck was parked at. 
+>throw shit into the bed and jump into the cab 
+>start up and drive off
+>friend doesn't stop looking behind us until we reach blacktop 
+>still refuses to talk about it 
+
+I'm so unlucky bros
+--- 2565579
+>>2555806
+German territories ran out of lebensraum centuries ago. I'd suggest Norway, Sweden, or Finland in Europe, or if you're not a pussy the US and Canada for neulebensraum.
+--- 2565789
+I know it's going to sound silly considering how considerably less wild those places are but I feel something similar toward the forests of center France. They have a foreboding and heavy air to it I never really felt in mountain forests for example. Something's off there, you often stumble upon weird (occult?) stuff left around, hanging from trees, not surprising when you learn abour stories like the Gevaudan Beast which was well documented
+--- 2565832
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Try walking through the Amazonian jungle, that will put the fear of GOD in your heart really quick. You have to deal with: 
+>snakes 
+>poisonous frogs and insects 
+>big cats that will stalk you without being seen 
+>poisonous plants of all kind 
+>drug smugglers from other countries that WILL shoot you on sight 
+>natives that probably are not friendly
+>illegal loggers and miners that maybe will shoot you on sight 
+>military spec ops teams doing god knows what 
+>everything in the water is dangerous
+>noises that make no sense 
+>the sensation of being observed all the time 
+
+Holy shit fuck Brazil, I never want to go back there. Also, there's a ton of child prostitution and slave work in broad daylight in those forgotten cities and nobody gives a fuck. I really don't know how the Spanish did it.
+--- 2566568
+>>2554095
+You should check the film Sauna (2008), its set at that at that exact place in Imperial Russia period
+--- 2566572
+>>2565832
+storytime anon
+Tell us more
+--- 2566580
+>>2554095
+Bro entered hyperborea
+--- 2566648
+>>2554763
+Social media is a meaningless term made convenient by corporations to push walled garden internet onto computer illiterates. Obviously it worked because there's no shortage of you faggots showing up to tell people that everything under the sun is social media.
+4chan is not a social network.
+--- 2566843
+>>2566572
+There's a ton of stuff, from finding weird witchcraft rituals in the forest, to seeing the aftermath of illegal miners and loggers killing natives and vice versa, most regions are very dangerous, but the North/Northeast takes the cake because there's no law since is so vast and nobody gives a fuck anyway. But here's a story about some ritual I witnessed in the middle of the forest 
+>went to Rio de janeiro because European tourist 
+>mom has some friends there 
+>went to the waterfalls because beaches are always packed in the summer 
+>enjoying still somewhat preserved forest and some cool waterfalls 
+>water is cold as fuck because mountains
+>see some movement up ahead 
+>there's like 30 people in a shallow natural pool
+>live chickens, lots of food and some weird songs 
+>"what the fuck is all this?" 
+>friend explain to me it's some African religion ritual and they do this to celebrate some African gods or whatever
+>"shouldn't we gtfo outta here before they use us as sacrifice" 
+>"no need, they're cool and you can watch no problem, just don't say anything" 
+>people all dressed in white 
+>they start dancing, getting in a sort of trance state and acting like their entities or whatever 
+>some old dude start slicing chicken necks left and right 
+>blood fucking everywhere in the water 
+>music gets louder 
+>talking gets louder 
+>the dance becomes weirder 
+>they start smoking and drinking in the middle of the blood water
+>after some time everything was calm again 
+>people bathing in the now clear water 
+>some lightskin hotties started talking to me 
+>my portuguese is non-existent and i was kinda scares some of them were gonna slice my throat
+>went home thinking wtf was that 
+>apparently it's a normal thing in a religion called candomble 
+>went home smelling like wet chicken
+>all this in a wendsday 
+There's stuff like this all over the country, and it's not even the worse I saw
+--- 2566867
+>>2554089
+I do this but to Odin and I have this weird tick where I have to "knock on wood" but 3 times and then sometimes knock 3 times, 3 times to Odin. I actually can't stop and sometimes I have to "knock on wood" to unhex my knock on wood so I end up knocking 9 times 3 times.. etc.. usually when I'm doing something like driving and I start freaking out frustrated
+--- 2566885
+>>2554404
+Maine is for sure creepy.
+--- 2566887
+>>2566867
+Odin is a tranny and was mostly followed by fringe cultists who sacrificed babies. You're actually opening up yourself to even more negative energy than otherwise just being an atheist by praying to it while attracting the rest of the patheon who hated Odin if not Odin himself who would get a kick out of tormenting a random tard who thinks he's obligated to his protection.
+--- 2566890
+>>2566887
+So I should pray to thor instead?
+--- 2566891
+Every year I feel less human.
+ I love nature and my garden. I want to be outside and watch butterflies and birds. I want to go fishing and hiking. 
+Every time I observe humans I understand them less. Everything that people seem to find valuable is pointless. The majority of human effort is spent on degeneracy. Everyone lies all the time. Slowly I’m growing to hate humans.
+
+I’m 34 and humans become more annoying every year.
+--- 2566892
+>>2566890
+Seems like the more sound choice, there's a bunch of traditions associated with Thor and loyalty/honor. Thor atleast wouldn't want to fuck with you for shits and giggles compared to Odin
+--- 2566894
+>>2566891
+Sorry, this is supposed to be its own thread
+--- 2566895
+>>2565832
+>insects
+My uncle did military stuff in Panama and said the mosquitos were insane if you any any exposed skin it would get lit up immediately.
+--- 2567039
+>>2564146
+Portland and Seattle have had that reputation since the hippies moved there in the 60s, it was a completely natural progression and anyone that is surprised at how those cities turned out is a stupid person.
+--- 2567043
+>>2566843
+Anon what you described is a Santeria ritual, you know the fun summer song by Sublime? Its named after the religion. It’s a religion that comes out of West Africa from the slaves and is practiced all over the Americas. They wear all white as a purity thing. It’s a fascinating religion you should’ve taken time to learn a new culture instead of getting creeped out. I thought Euros were supposed to be open minded?
+--- 2567045
+>>2566894
+well then rethread it
+--- 2567090
+>>2554285
+>Supercell
+Yeah we get those in the plains all the time. Suck it up bub hope you got a storm cellar.
+--- 2567092
+>>2554240
+just posting again to say fuck you
+--- 2567511
+>>2567090
+>mfw live in New England 
+>yes we have basements but no need for storm sellers
+>we get a tornado finally
+>most horrifying storm of my life
+>literally sounds like a freight train
+>run into the basement to huddle and wait it out
+>looking out the narrow basement windows, every flash of lightning you can see the silhouettes of the trees violently bending one direction and a moment later the opposite direction
+>brick chimney crumbles
+>tree falls on the house
+>I get struck by lightning from INSIDE the house right in front of my family
+yeah fuck that shit. pickerel is the house
+--- 2567524
+>>2563820
+>And yes like all spoops it's based in superstition or dogma
+If by this you mean superstitious people performed rituals to turn themselves in werewolves using witchcraft and were killed because it didn't fit the dogma of the Church then you're right.
+
+>those people can be forgiven for truly fearing the woods and wondering where and how the Devil will encroach on them there
+Yes, forgive them for hurting your personal materialistic dogma by trying to survive known threats like savages. They were just silly gooses, they didn't know they could have been making toilet paper and science textbooks from the trees they relied on for food, protection, housing, tools, medicine, and spiritual guidance. Forgive the hunter-gatherer societies that survived to the modern day by this method but had to watch their neighbors become decimated by war, disease, and slavery at the hands of the wonderful science gurus who put microplastics in our food, chemicals in the air, petroleum and mountains of waste in the oceans, and mutilate children to keep them from commiting suicide. Truly, we have become gods thanks to science.
+--- 2567525
+>>2567524
+bit glib, on the whole
+--- 2567527
+>>2566843
+>ewww, chicken blood
+They were calling on the great god of protection whose name is "Stayhomesoiboi" if I remember correctly. Sounds like it was a success.
+--- 2567531
+>>2567511
+House looks comfy anon
+--- 2567536
+I know many of you are going to think I am just fucking around, but I've confirmed/seen at least three naked kids on trails around gatlinburg/Maggie valley/smoky mountains np. Random yelling and laughing as well. I even thought I saw a preteen girl nude bathing in a pond when I was on a hike at least 12 miles from clingmans dome off the mountain and I distinctly remember going in my pack to get my Sony Cybershot (it was the early 2000s) and when I went to take a picture, she was gone.
+--- 2567538
+>>2567531
+thanks anon, twas a very nice place to grow up †bh. it's still my dad's pride. back in 1978 he ordered the house from a catalogue and sure as shit the company showed up with trucks over several weeks dropping off piles of logs, lumber, and building materials in heaps on the plot. my dad hired a guy to dig the foundation, and company came and poured the concrete, and once that set he hired two random duded and a small crane and over the next 11 months the three of them followed the instructions and built the goddamn house together. it was leaky and drafty for years until every detail was finished, but my parents were legit able to live in the house that first winter even before it was done.
+
+back in 1978 the entire operation cost $30k. the furnace alone was $10k and to this day it's the best part. it's big enough where you could walk into it if you wanted and we burn oil, wood, or coal and it's always cozy af because we harvest wood all year an have cords and cords drying for years at a time
+--- 2567542
+>>2567536
+>preteen
+--- 2567549
+>>2567542
+Yes. About 9-12 years old if my mind serves.
+--- 2567551
+>>2567549
+fuck sake you should be in gaol for what you've done
+--- 2567553
+>>2567551
+??? What the fuck did I do? Stop trolling.
+--- 2567554
+>>2567553
+naughty boy
+--- 2567555
+>>2567538
+>'78
+Yeah, my home was built in 79 and also had a wood, coal, propane burning furnace. It was a relic of the jimmy carter fuel shortage and people scared about what and how they were going to heat their homes with. I replaced the huge furnace about 8 years ago. Got a heat pump/propane combo. Very efficient. I got a new wood stove near the basement that is a very efficient non-catalytic but haven't had a need to use it yet. 
+
+Neat hearing another person talk about a home like mine.
+--- 2567558
+>>2567554
+Anon, it's 2023. Just because I am a MAP doesn't mean people should disregard what I damned well saw. 
+
+I DO know that kids still play in the forest like I did growing up and I DO know that I was only a few miles from the NP border and sound travels, I never got naked as a kid and ran around in the woods but maybe that is a thing in Appalachia. I don't believe in ghosts and I am NOT a drug user.
+--- 2567559
+>>2567555
+kek for the first 10 or so years of my life our floors were cheap shitty plywood, with cracks and holes where you could see through to the basement. as kids we just accepted it but it was fucking scary and I used to get wood splinters in my feet so bad my parents would have to hold me down to cut them out of my feet. The whole time my dad used bitch about Carter. "well thanks to Carter, wood shortages were so bad we couldn't even afford American plywood, these floors are garbage plywood from Romania" he used to say.
+
+Thanks so much for sharing anon, it's nice to hear your take. I wish I had a photo of the furnace. It's been serviced often but still is going great. I love the deep cold days of winter where my dad would shut the oil off and just toss logs in. The house is never more comfy and the wonderful smell. Dang.
+--- 2567560
+>>2567559
+I guess we are probably near the same age but my father died a year ago. 
+
+You can see how the previous unit was about three times as large. Was very useful in its day but heat pumps/ac is just so much more efficient now. Was a game changer.
+--- 2567565
+>>2567560
+Yeah we must be. An upgrade is always worth it, especially when it comes to cost and efficiency. I live in a different country now but for the time being my parents are staying put in the house, and there's no chance my dad cares about doing any upgrades. I wish I had the cash to buy them out and keep that house as my New England getaway, but I definitely can't.
+
+Sorry to hear about your dad anon, only a year ago and that must be tough. I can't even imagine that.
+--- 2567589
+>>2567558
+Anon fuck you are describing heaven. I think the gods were blessing you or there are cunny succubus in the forests
+--- 2567594
+>>2567589
+https://youtu.be/NlM3CKXJs5k [Embed]
+--- 2567609
+>>2554084 (OP)
+lmao how are Euros such pussies? Don't let the Wendigo and Skinwalkers get you lol.
+--- 2567611
+>>2567609
+lol
+--- 2567778
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Injun spirits and shit
+Your ghost tends to be vengeful when your people are btfo that hard
+--- 2567779
+>>2554084 (OP)
+Weirdest thing I’ve heard was a mountain lion screech at night when I was in the woods with friends. It wouldn’t be odd if I wasn’t in NY, where mountain lions are said to be extinct.
+--- 2567853
+>>2567779
+seen a mountin' lion in MA as well, up close and personal. DCR doesn't want to put them on the native wildlife list because it requires a whole new fucking program of monitoring and public safety 
+
+>>2567778
+I live in the lad of King Philip's War and the amount of death, terror, and utter atrocity perpetrated by the unjuns and the colonists is hair raising. small villages way out alone in the New England wilderness getting torched in the night with everyone burning to death in their homes. the injuns would cut one leg off all the livestocck and set them to roam the forest, they would tear the clothing off the colonists, men women and children, and butcher them like pigs in the mud. they would cut their fingers off and scatter them along the roads amongst bloody bible pages as a warning to any colonists approaching. they would cut the hands and feet off anyone caught on the road days away from the nearest town, leaving them to squirm around in the mud until they died of exposure or were eaten by animals.
+
+20 or more towns were destroyed, 10% of the european population was killed, and the destruction got so close to Boston they considered building a stockade wall around the entire city with the intention of holding out just long enough to evacuate and abandon the colony altogether. when they finally organised and got the upper hand they destroyed the indians without mercy. they burned their children alive in the dead of winter and quite literally exacted genocide. King Philip's head sat on a pike in Boston for like 30 years until it disintegrated. you go off in the woods here and sit in the dirt and aside from the comforts of nature around you, it just feels very heavy sometimes.
+--- 2567922
+>>2567511
+>>2567538
+What a pretty house. Wish I grew up there desu. Sounds like you had the best dad ever
+--- 2567939
+>>2567922
+nice house yea but †bh he was kind of PTSD case and things weren't wonderful
+--- 2567944
+>>2559988
+>old world
+Russia is old world and has the biggest forest.
+--- 2567952
+>>2567536
+The forest tested you and you failed.
+--- 2568042
+>>2556538
+Yes, because ALL German forests were blitzkriegd and not just the front line near Belgium/France.
+--- 2568044
+>>2568042
+eh, between both wars and both lost on multiple fronts I'm pretty sure they were. Fine though, go play in the southern forests and don't step on a 70yo unexploded bomb I guess
+--- 2568090
+>>2555806
+Yeah, a lot of countries in Europe have forests like that. Very bland.
+--- 2568175
+>>2566843
+Man I expected you running into illegal loggers or some smugglers/cartel with coke and hookers but no it was fucking niggers doing ooga booga dance

out/2554636.txt

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+-----
+--- 2554636
+Are gravity filters a meme? Are UV-C purifiers enough? What do you use for big groups?
+--- 2554637
+Violently and with passion
+--- 2554647
+>>2554637
+hahaha
+>>2554636 (OP)
+mostly use aqua tabs, but will use something like a sawyer or quickdraw if I want a mechanical compenent.
+--- 2554649
+>>2554636 (OP)
+
+> large groups
+
+CNOC bladder connected to a sawyer squeeze and hung out of a tree with paracord to produce a gravity feed.
+--- 2554651
+>>2554649
+I think chems are the best way of treating large amounts of water. Just up the dose for the volume.
+--- 2554657
+>>2554636 (OP)
+I have a mini so I use that because it works. Cheaper, lighter, and smaller.
+--- 2554684
+>>2554636 (OP)
+>Are UV-C purifiers enough?
+Yeah. Best protection against the majority of pathogens, fastest to use and now chemical taste.
+--- 2554685
+>>2554636 (OP)
+Aquamira for the convenience. The threat of infection is mostly hype.
+--- 2554699
+>>2554636 (OP)
+First Need filter system, WP tablets, Aquamira drops. Depends on the circumstances.
+--- 2554713
+In 15 years of outings I have never filtered my water. Where the fuck are people going where the water isn't going to literally be cleaner than tap water in most places.
+--- 2554716
+>>2554713
+In my first year of really going /out/ I became so sick from drinking unfiltered water that I thought I was going to die while liquid shit blew out my ass and vomit out my mouth at the same fucking time. Ignorant moron.
+--- 2554722
+>>2554716
+What did the doctor say?
+--- 2554724
+>>2554722
+I didn't go to the doctor I was /out/ and it flushed from my sister after 8-12 hours. Rapid onset and recovery.
+--- 2554725
+>>2554724
+From my system*
+--- 2554730
+>>2554716
+That was the detox from the tap water, not the /out/ water making you sick.
+--- 2554731
+>>2554730
+Nonsense I'm a anti fluoride tin foil bro I don't drink the tap water lmao.
+--- 2554748
+>>2554713
+In my country all /out/ sites are in the mountains so there's plenty of clean springs and snow melt to drink from. But in other places it might not be the case.
+--- 2555684
+>>2554636 (OP)
+--- 2555801
+>>2554636 (OP)
+>gravity meme/large groups
+Definitely not a meme. Me and the boys all have one we take when we do multi day float trips. I have a katydan, one has a platypus, another uses a sawyer. Convenient as fuck you just fill them up and hang them on a tree. Packs down fairly small. They all work about the same. If you're using just one for a big group you'll want something bigger like a 10L. Ours are all 3-4L and typically get filled twice a dayish. Can't speak to the uv ones, I've always been leary of them and haven't tried it.
+--- 2555805
+I can only afford a DeathStraw™...
+--- 2555825
+>>2555805
+Dude don't feel bad you can't afford all this shit people say you need. I never spend a fuck ton of money on gear. Most of my hiking bags are used army bags from army/navy stores or something I've found at goodwill. I don't spend long 7 nights camping in but i frequent isolated places. You can find good shit that's cheap if you look hard enough. Also, get in google maps and find places no one goes close to your home. You will be amazed at what you find. I dunno just my thoughts.
+--- 2555840
+>>2555805
+What's wrong with life straws? Do they not properly filter water?
+--- 2555851
+>>2555840
+They won't filter viruses (but that's only a concern in developing countries, especially crowded campsites and potential shtf/natural disaster scenarios). I've always just thought they looked awkward though, either you're filling your water bottle with dirty water or, what, sticking your head down to the puddle to suck away?
+--- 2555855
+>>2555851
+Nothing can filter viruses. Come on I've looked into enough of then to work this out. Unless you're going for that sawyer bottle squeeze thing which is a filter mixed with an iodine tablet in the form of foam then you're bullshitting. That sawyer thing with foam is the only thing on the market that can remove viruses.
+--- 2555863
+>>2555851
+>>2555855
+Do viruses survive in bodies of water in a concentration high enough to reasonably contract? Most of the waterborne diseases I can think of such as Cholera and Giardia are bacteria instead of viruses. Also, do viruses not die after a relatively short period of being outside the body?
+--- 2555874
+>>2555863
+>Do viruses survive in bodies of water in a concentration high enough to reasonably contract? 
+Some do. Some don't.
+>Also, do viruses not die after a relatively short period of being outside the body?
+Some do. Some don't.
+--- 2556437
+What type of water purification tablets do I need btw? I need those that basically act as a LifeStraw.
+There´s those that only keep already clean water fresh for a longer time, by stopping bacterial growth inside an RV water tank for example, but I need those that you put in dirty, shady water, you can´t trust to begin with?
+All I can find are those that advertise as keeping already clear water clean for a longer duration.
+--- 2556457
+>>2555863
+Giardia isn't even a bacteria, it's more closely related to humans
+--- 2556504
+>>2554636 (OP)
+
+I use the MSR guardian and fill a bag. Most of the water around here is pretty clean, so you can just drink out of the source.
+--- 2556516
+>>2555863
+>Do viruses survive in bodies of water in a concentration high enough to reasonably contract?
+Yes. It's a major problem around the world, not so much in the West but on a global scale the death toll from waterborne viral infections is well into the millions. 
+>Also, do viruses not die after a relatively short period of being outside the body?
+Not necessarily. Like the other anon said, it depends on the virus but rotavirus for example (one of the leading causes of diarrhoeal illnesses worldwide and responsible for half a million deaths/year) can survive in cold water or on dry, smooth surfaces for months (although closer to days in warm water or surfaces exposed to good sun). The same goes for a range of other viruses.
+--- 2556560
+>>2556516
+Aren’t those diseases spread via fecal matter in places with high population densities and substandard municipal water infrastructure?
+--- 2556588
+>>2556560
+>Aren’t those diseases spread via fecal matter
+They enter the water system via faecal matter but that doesn't mean you're safe so long as you don't start chowing down on floating turds, turbulence will spread them throughout the area and theyre perfectly capable of surviving as free-floating virions. A water filter won't protect you from viral illness just because it filters out faecal material.
+Oh and theoretically urine, respiratory secretions and other bodily fluids could contaminate the water supply but in practice they tend to be fairly insignificant. 
+>In places with high population densities and substandard municipal water infrastructure?
+Yes, like I said "only a concern in developing countries, especially crowded campsites and potential shtf/natural disaster scenarios"
+Viral contamination of water sources became a serious problem with all the idiots flocking to national parks during the pandemic. Literally shitting the place up.
+--- 2558592
+>look for water filter thread
+>page 10
+dangit. Guys I want to keep it simple. Is filtering water trough pebbles and sand, then boiling it good enough 99% of times?
+--- 2558602
+Can you boil water after treating it with Katadyne tablets that have chlorine in them?
+Wouldn´t it set free toxic gasses?
+--- 2558605
+>>2556516
+Your description fits fungi spores really well.
+If there's such beings in the water it might be a good idea to filter + UV pen it.
+--- 2558627
+>>2558592
+You’ll have sand in your water and will have to wait for it to cool because you chose to build a survivalist LARP water filter instead of buying one for $25 at Walmart but yeah, it will most likely be safe to drink after boiling. Boiling is probably the safest option.
+--- 2558641
+>>2558592
+If you're going to boil your water then you can skip filtering it completely and still be fine >99% of the time. Maybe filter it through sand or even just a bandanna if it's murky but don't worry about viruses, bacteria or protozoa - boiling will kill all of them just fine. Make sure you boil it for long enough though. 
+
+Still, I wouldn't call boiling the simplest solution. It takes time and effort to build a fire. Sounds like a real hassle if you're going to be on the move all day and want to take advantage of water sources as you pass by. 
+
+>>2558602
+Perfectly safe bro. Maybe if you were grinding the tablets up into a crack pipe and smoking them you'd have something to worry about (but the melting point of sodium dichloroisocyanurate is 225C so probably not even then.
+--- 2560012
+>>2554636 (OP)
+i usually just use filters, waters pretty good here
+i have a gravity filter and a 5gal pail for when my car camping trip goes long
+boiling water is safer, but it always tastes flat and smokey. mint hepls
+--- 2560469
+Lightweight anon here. Stiĺl own and use General Ecology's First Need at 1lb weight. 7 continents, all 50 states and 70+ countries. Heavy yet works, rapidly pulling delicious pure water, no viruses, chems etc., from rice paddies, water near mine tailings, S. American polluted rivers, zebu urine holes, and rabies infested beaver ponds. Delicious and here in this life, trust with my life. Boil order here or there, no problem. My luxury item even in the states.
+--- 2560893
+>>2556437
+I was a bit surprised when I got my Aquamira and it talked about RV water supplies on the label. It’s Chlorine Dioxide so it’ll kill everything in the water. You just have to wait a bit. It’s not too expensive. Like $15 for enough to treat 30 gallons. You’ll want to pre filter the water first. It’ll purify the sediment but you don’t want to be drinking gritty water. Alternatively you could get disinfecting bleach and add it to suspect water. Although I doubt it would taste as good.
+--- 2560913
+>>2554636 (OP)
+tbqh I have never filtered water in my life and I grew up doing a lot of mountaineering. Don't drink water downstream of swamps lakes or people and you'll be fine. Why do people make such a big deal of this?
+--- 2560938
+>>2554636 (OP)
+I don't filter my water, and I've never gotten sick from it either.
+Not like I'm drinking from the yang-zhe river or some shit.
+Just avoid still water, and you'll be fine, assuming you're somewhere remote.
+--- 2560999
+>>2560913
+It’s typical marketing, Anon. We were told by the people selling water filters that we would get sick and possibly die without it. That sentiment was echoed in every publication, all of which received advertising revenue from the companies selling filters. I’m not saying it was a conspiracy by Big Filter, just basic Bernays propaganda.
+--- 2561051
+>>2560893
+>You just have to wait a bit.
+Isn't it like 4 hours for giardia and crypto?
+--- 2561057
+>>2554636 (OP)
+Just a bandana. I'm usually able to find springs or mountainous streams.
+--- 2561079
+>>2561051
+Yes, it’s 4 hours for parasites that occur around high population centers in third world countries.
+--- 2561131
+>>2554724
+Sounds like a skill issue
+--- 2561238
+>>2561051
+It’s something like that. It’s like 30 minutes for stuff like bacteria. Filters are really the best bet for stuff like Giarda and crypto. If you filter and chemically treat you’ll be extra good. Filters aren’t that expensive. It’s like $30 for a sawyer or Katydyn. I think they fit on smart water bottles. Many soft water bladders fit them. Katydyn sells a kit with filter and bladder for various prices. As does Sawyer. 
+If you don’t treat your water and get sick you’ll wish you spent the money when you’re shitting yourself inside out.
+--- 2561254
+>>2561079
+>Yes, it’s 4 hours for parasites that occur around high population centers in third world countries.
+>Implying giardia is only a problem for thirties
+
+>Roach et al found Giardia cysts in 32% of samples collected from pristine streams in the Canadian North.
+>In three pristine watersheds in Washington, Ongerth Giardia cysts in 43% of 222 samples
+>In a study by Backpacker Mahazine, the two sites along the Appalachian corridor collectively tested positive for giardia cysts 50 percent of the time.
+
+Honestly though, just because you drink a cyst doesn't mean you're guaranteed to develop an infection. And if you do develop symptoms it's usually just diarrhoea and abdo pain.
+If you're willing to roll the dice then so be it. Unless you have kids, there's a small chance of developing chronic giardia infection which, if not recognised, cab cause growth restriction and shit.
+--- 2562795
+>>2554713
+I feel like it's way more likely that you're an underaged poster trying to sound tough with this lie on a basket weaving forum
+--- 2562796
+>>2555863
+>Giardia are bacteria
+no
+--- 2563509
+>>2554636 (OP)
+
+boiling it
+
+you don't need to filter it.
+
+if it looks clear and you don't see any nculear power plants anywhere just drink it(after boiling it)
+--- 2563511
+>>2554716
+
+you didn't boil it. that's why
+
+it will have bacteria in it
+--- 2563574
+I have used my platypus 4L filter to much success and I really like it. A great way to easily filter a lot f water once you set up camp
+--- 2563580
+>>2554636 (OP)
+this guys series on water filtration is excellent. Good science based approach and backed up with studies and info.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIMeq0c7rJM&list=PLEu_UfyDKJALgbrNEJ5wpuxadz7uM5hEi [Embed]
+--- 2563590
+>>2555855
+Guardian purifiers will filter viruses, but they cost like 400 bucks.
+--- 2563595
+>>2554636 (OP)
+never filtered my water but during army i tried few of those cleaning tablets and it tasted like pool water if that counts
+i check my map if the stream has any farmsteads upstream and then drink away, lakewater is always good to go as it swamp water
+honestly since i heard about it i have always though whole filtering thing is just a moneygrab but then again there are 3rd world countries where it is a real daily survival thing
+--- 2563740
+>>2555855
+A grayl bottle will
+--- 2563748
+>>2563590
+>boils water 
+$400 saved
+--- 2564742
+I haven't gone out (still looking for a sturdy ruck) but my system is as follows...
+
+-Lifestraw Mission 5L Gravity Filter
+-Aquatabs
+-Kovea Spider stove with LPG adapter
+-1qt steel cup
+-64oz steel bottle
+
+Thinking of getting a hydrapak or other collapsible bottle. A small one to use as a bidet, and a larger one to place in my fanny pack with spare tablets.
+
+We're all about redundancy here. I'm planning a thru-hike and I don't like shopping in strange areas.
+--- 2564743
+>>2563748
+You use purifiers to save fuel and make room for more snacks.
+--- 2564757
+>>2554636 (OP)
+katadyn befree + purinize
+pretty much all water around here is pretty fucked
+--- 2564761
+>>2554730
+That's nonsense. People don't shit themselves after drinking well water. Well water has zero fluorine and zero chlorine.
+--- 2564763
+>>2564742
+Yes, buy things and take as much extraneous crap as possible. Weight isn’t a factor and it’s important to buy products that make you look cool.
+--- 2565086
+>>2555805
+Hahaha that was my first backpacking overnight. Then i realized there is no way to store the water or cook with it. Thank God I had worthwhile friends
+--- 2565369
+>>2554636 (OP)
+okay lads, did i get memed on
+I bought the Swayer squeeze because all the UL fags rave about it
+but i just dont understand what advantage this gives me over just having a bladder and some purification tabs. it seems like a far more complicated AND heavier system
+Squeeze
+>carry all this shit, and some extra bottles
+>to get water, fill, then filter to another bottle or bladder, or drink through this awkward attachment thing
+vs Bladder + purification tabs/drops
+>literally just fill bladder and add purifier
+--- 2565432
+>>2554636 (OP)
+gravity filter kit things are a meme
+>What do you use for big groups?
+everyone should have their own way to purify water.
+one extra communal gravity setup going to make life easy at base camp.
+the idea of being the "water boy" for a group is fucking dumb. what if someone gets lost or separated? what if you fall off a cliff with the only water filtration gear? common sense = why nobody does this stupid shit. 
+>Are UV-C purifiers enough
+what are you a fag?
+just run it through a sawyer, if its really nasty put a tab in it or boil it for a while.
+--- 2565433
+>gravity filter kit things are a meme
+make your own diy. less coonsumer, cheaper, better because its tailored to your bladder/bottle, lighter weight. lots of guides on youtube to show you how to make one a variety of ways.
+--- 2565435
+>>2565369
+>complicated
+>heavy
+has some1 told you that you can leave all the cleaning kit stuff at home and bring a smartwater sports cap instead? its the perfect size to use to clean out a sawyer.
+
+main reason people use it is because the sawyer has no aquamira tablet water taste.
+and because chemical/mechanical filtration isn't the same. one might be better or worse for the water in your area. sometimes you want to do both. depends what's in it.
+--- 2565447
+>>2555684
+Wtf just put the Sawyer on the smartwater and drink it
+--- 2567176
+>>2564742
+
+>a small water bottle to use as a bidet
+
+Really getting back to nature friend
+--- 2567186
+>>2560469
+Tell us about Antarctica. If I wanted to go what is the simplest route?
+--- 2567273
+>>2567186
+North
+--- 2567298
+>>2556457
+me too
+--- 2567315
+>>2554636 (OP)
+Through my teeth. I had my gaps adjusted to one micron so I just spit out the giardia.
+--- 2567606
+>>2565447
+
+or just... you know... squeeze the water through the filter as intended. This is retarded
+--- 2567629
+>>2554636 (OP)
+Iodine.
+--- 2568356
+>>2554636 (OP)
+If water is clear and I only need to get rid of parasites from cows grasing and shitting higher up in the mountain, I just use Micropur. 
+
+If water is not clear (this is rare in the Alps but happens every now and then) I first run it through a coffee filter to get it in my bottle. Then Micropur. 
+
+Never had any issue.
+--- 2568358
+>>2564742
+>never been out
+>planning through hike 
+
+Bro lol.. 
+
+Also way too much crap

out/2556960.txt

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+-----
+--- 2556960
+I wonder how much of /out/ has had some involvement with boy scouts. 
+
+Share your good or bad experiences.
+--- 2557032
+>>2556960 (OP)
+Good :
+-learning cool song 
+-bullying the younger one by spreading disinformation or telling them to look for thing that don't exist 
+- cool war reanactment with the boys inawood 
+
+Bad :
+- Middle class christian cringe
+- Some verry retard people
+
+Overall 8/10, would do it again
+But I don't think I gonna send my son there, thing don't seem to be as good now.
+--- 2557045
+>>2556960 (OP)
+It’s all a factor of the adult involvement. 
+
+There was almost no heavy handed Christianity when I was in Scouts. We prayed before meals, stated that a Scout is reverent, and kept God in the pledge of allegiance, but that was about it. I think it’s because everyone here is Catholic rather than a false religion (all others). 
+
+We went on campouts once a month, with day trips (not always inna woods) interspersed between. There was always something going on. It was usually car camping, but still a good time. The few backpacking trips we went on were pretty bad due to the adults not knowing their assholes from their elbows. 
+
+It all went downhill after a national “urban outreach” program resulted in a lot of low income inner city kids joining.
+--- 2557050
+Interesting...I never considered that religion would be a big part of some troops traditions. For me it was pretty tame for the most part.
+>before going on /out/ings I could recall and no changing of the pledge(didn't know people took offense to that). Favorite moments on a trip? The time we cooked a ribeye over an open fire, that was fun.
+--- 2557059
+>>2556960 (OP)
+I was part of it for one year, me and another boy always wrestled each other and fought and the other boys would cheer us on, like two monkeys fighting for everyone’s amusement, we enjoyed it and so did the other boys, who would occasionally jump in and quickly tap out, but always laughing and having a good time. Eventually we were both told to not come back because all we did was fight. Looking back, we never had any adult supervision and if it was 2023 we probably would have been encouraged to do it naked and invite into the young leader program.
+
+I learned nothing.
+--- 2557073
+>>2557050
+my troop was 100% kids from my catholic school so if anything it was less religious? lotta hikes and campouts, loved the orienteering.
+--- 2557101
+>>2556960 (OP)
+Second best time of my life was scout outings. Rafting trips had us forming boarding parties, and attempting to throw the crews of other rafts into the river while shouting pirate slogans. Tackling a nigga off the other raft worked until I tried it on an older scout, and he caught me midair, and threw me overboard. We sang shanties too.
+Canoe trips saw us getting lost, turning down the wrong section of river, having to hop out and run carrying a canoe over a quarter mile of woodland not to get left behind. Felt like special forces work.
+Hiking trips saw us learning navigation, basic herbalism, fishing, trapping, knot tying, the works. Any basic skill for /out/ing was either taught by an older scout, or learned by experiance.
+ Retard forgot the frying pan? No problem. Go to the riverbed and find a large, flat rock. 
+Hail shredded the tents? No problem. The adults brought sewing kits. Get crackin, boys.
+Guy suddenly gets apendicidas mid 30 mile hike and cant walk? Welp, looks like we're rotating hand made stretcher duty, and who carries his stuff.
+Bored in camp? Organize patrols into factions, give them sticks, and have them larp as midieval kingdoms, waring with eachother, learning how battles work.
+Two kids get mad at eachother? Wait till the adults are gone and settle it in a scuffle.
+Good times. Great people. I do have to say though, pretty much everything I described cant happen anymore. Complete policy overhauls, from what I understand. When my older brothers did it, they would hunt, and cook what they caught, whether it was legal or not (heavy emphasis was placed on respect for wildlife). When I was in, we did the shot above, and more. I just talked to one of the older guys in the troop I was from a week or so ago. He was just joining when I was leaving. Appearantly, they dont camp anywhere without power and running water now, and God help you if you get in a fight.
+--- 2557111
+>>2557101
+My patrol was called Wizard Lizard as well. From what I understand it’s pretty common.
+--- 2557417
+>>2557111
+Thats cool as hell. We were the wolverines.
+--- 2557476
+>>2557045
+>It all went downhill after a national “urban outreach” program resulted in a lot of low income inner city kids joining.
+as it always does with most everything ugh
+--- 2557502
+>>2556960 (OP)
+Did it, it was like a fucking arts and crafts class, and we rarely did any actual /out/ stuff. Stupid ceremonies.
+--- 2557533
+>>2557502
+That is unfortunate Anon. That reminds me of when I went on a camping trip with my sisters girl scout troop as a chaperone. Literally spend 100% of the time doing shitty volunteer work.
+--- 2558867
+>>2557111
+That's cool few words away from KGATLW. I had many patrol's I was apart of the Black Mustangs, Labyrinth, Raven, and "Green Bar" (Like a separate patrol of just the SPL, ASPL's, and Instructor). 
+
+But also scouts was awesome for me getting to Eagle my sister doing it as well. Going to a World Jamboree and meeting people from all around the world and even getting the chance to talk to someone on the ISS while there. Working as a manager at my local scout camp. Doing the dumbest shit late at night with good friends. Meeting some of the people in my life I honestly could say I see as brothers not just friends. It was a great program and I loved every second of it.
+--- 2558907
+>>2556960 (OP)
+Eagle Scout 02 AMA
+--- 2559028
+>>2558907
+Off the top of my head; what was your eagle scout project? Favorite camping trip? Craziest moment? Troop size? Troop traditions? Summer camp shenanigans? Can't think of anymore right now.
+--- 2559032
+>>2556960 (OP)
+troop 634, Batesville IN. Miss it dearly. We were a bunch of pyros lol.
+--- 2559894
+>>2557476
+Idk I've met some good kids in scout reach, they usually just want to escape the hellish reality of their ghetto.
+--- 2560869
+>>2559028
+>I made some "habitat" for game fish in this one lake. Basically palates anchored with cement for the fish to fuck inside. Got Home Depot to donate a bunch of shit and all the troop to pour concrete and tie stuff for pizza lol.
+>Philmont, duh. Shoutout to Yellowstone and Yosemite as well.
+>Craziest/summer camp shenanigans were probably putting things like CO2 canisters in the campfire, as a joke. 
+>40 or so boys as far as I recall
+>Grand Canyon Council, for the record.
+--- 2560879
+>>2556960 (OP)
+Life Scout got out when 18
+Good:
+-Met good friends
+-Had fun
+-Learned responsibility
+-Improved as a person
+-Cheap
+-Outdoors stuff is rad
+
+Bad:
+-The cliques that exist in school are there too, not really nerds vs jocks or anything, but rich vs poor. 
+-Not all troops are created equal
+--- 2562099
+Troop 217 here
+James Stanton Raped me and others
+--- 2562286
+>>2557101
+thank you anon
+--- 2562297
+>>2556960 (OP)
+it sucked ass but I think that was just my troop.
+> joined boyscouts with a good amount of outdoors experience
+> used to own an old 1940s boyscout handbook that had a lot of cool shit ranging from how to use camouflage properly to how to make fresh water fish traps
+> was expecting cool shit like going innawoods, hanging out with the boys, shooting guns and learning more about nature and such
+> mfw all we learnt the whole time I was there was how to not get diddled by the scout master and how to memorize stupid pledges
+> mfw the only innawoods thing we did was a walk on the local bike path
+I quit after a good couple of months, we didnt even get to go to summer camp. desu just dont join if you still have a chance, and dont put your kids in either, just buy the 1940s handbook and go by yourself or with friends. 
+
+(heres a couple links to the book I had)
+https://www.amazon.com/Scout-Field-Book-Scouts-America/dp/B00U58YAKI
+https://ebornbooks.com/shop/scouting/scout-field-book-boy-scouts-of-america-1950-5th-printing-by-james-e-west/
+--- 2563721
+>>2562297
+Youre experience sounds a bit similar to my own. We love to romanticize the past but I cannot even begin to recall the amount of times we were taught the same 3 knots because of lack of actual planning ahead of time. All that I have retained in my memory in spite of how often we practiced them was the square knot. I partially blame this for the slow decline of the troop.
+--- 2563893
+>>2556960 (OP)
+It probably would have been more fun if an older kid hadn't molested me
+--- 2565056
+>>2556960 (OP)
+Eagle here, the best part is the middle ground when you aren't like a scout or tenderfoot but before life or Eagle (unless you're one of those 14 year old eagles). If you give half a shit you will learn important /out/ stuff while hanging out with friends, hearing funny stories and making your own. Looking back I had a hell of a time and would do it all over again in a heartbeat, the pros mentioned by everyone else pretty much applies: friends, fun, outdoors, etc.
+
+Idk about now though, I feel like the Troop matters more than anything because nobody cares about what national thinks anymore, but that means that if you're in a bad troop you're kind of sol. A good troop with good friends will usually lead to some fun experiences innawoods.
+--- 2565383
+>>2556960 (OP)
+My cousin and I joined boyscouts. My dad got weird vibes from one of the instructors. He pulled me out. A couple years my cousin was molested. Not much was done, the guy was basically forced to leave town and not really punished as he shouldve been (tortured and killed).
+
+Cousin seemed okish for awhile, but now he's a bad drug addict and life is train wreck. He got endocarditis and has really fucked himself up.
+--- 2565497
+>>2556960 (OP)
+It was mainly positive
+>Good:
+All leaders were ex mil and forced strict fitness and grooming discipline
+Almost weekly camping trips 
+Learned how to shoot all types of guns
+Learned how to hunt
+Focus on faith and duty 
+Boy scout camp was awesome, rip Paul Bunyan
+High adventure was awesome
+Great group of guys to hang out with at school and church
+Eagle scout felt like a big accomplishment
+>Bad:
+Cringe Indian mystic shit at bigger events with the area council
+Council being horribly mismanaged 
+One helicopter mom that would come to events uninvited 
+Retarded kid from Kazakhstan that was cool 80% of the time but spazzed out randomly. Had retard strength and endurance so he pulled his weight.
+My troop being shut down for kicking people out who were lazy or future school shooters.
+--- 2565510
+I jerked off my friend on a cabin camping trip to see if I was gay. Also took his ADHD pills on a separate trip. Got my Eagle and brain damage. Hoping to give back to the troop but non-sexually
+--- 2567923
+The good, tied some knots, went camping once, made a fire.
+The bad, got gaped by three mormons.

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+-----
+--- 2557408
+What’s your favorite meal to cook after a long hike? For me it’s a good roast or some kind of stew. It’s hearty and filling and puts me straight to sleep.
+--- 2557420
+>>2557408 (OP)
+Anyone who carries all the necessary ingredients and equipment to make a stew or roast has never been on a long hike. The correct answer is peanut butter and tortillas
+--- 2557425
+>>2557420
+Yeah okay, bud. If you pack it as the first night’s meal with frozen meat it will be perfectly thawed by the end of day 1. Sorry you only take foods that an autistic child can make.
+--- 2557428
+>>2557425
+How long is day one?
+--- 2557437
+>>2557428
+Usually about 15 miles. Most of the time I do 3-4 day hikes.
+--- 2557441
+>>2557408 (OP)
+half a can of spam
+--- 2557443
+>>2557408 (OP)
+I like picrel as a meal or as a base with chorizo and rice/bread. 25 portions of hearty mushroom soup in a small tub
+Lots of instant noodles (the good asian brands, i love em)
+Tins of spicy macrel/sardines on fire toast
+Fruit
+Peanuts/chocolate raisins for energy
+Rabbits or fish that I catch
+Can carry butter without it spoiling, at reasonable temps. Definitely a nice addition
+Teas/coffee/energy drinks
+Small plastic bottle of whiskey/jaegermeister for a nightcap
+
+I grab some fresh foods on the way out like ready-made sandwiches/pies for the first evening, to conserve my packed goods. With the listed supplies I can happily do 2-5 nights. There isn't much point in overthinking it unless you're heading out into serious wilderness.
+--- 2557444
+>>2557437
+Yeah ok
+--- 2557452
+>>2557437
+15 miles in a day is pathetically slow, less than 2 mph assuming just 8 hours of hiking
+--- 2557455
+>>2557452
+God I hate this larping bullshit.
+--- 2557457
+>>2557452
+Obvious b8 but Hike whatever distance you feel comfortable with man. No one’s controlling you.
+--- 2557459
+>>2557441
+>half a can of sperm
+--- 2557460
+>>2557441
+Replace that with a can of deenz and some Powerade and you got it. 
+
+>>2557457
+Shut the fuck up newfag. Not everything is bait. Jesus.
+--- 2557462
+>>2557460
+You’ll need the Powerade after a long butt fucking sesh in the wilderness with your boyfriend
+--- 2557731
+Here‘s a really crazy idea, bear with me:
+Everyone can enjoy being outside in the ways that they enjoy.
+Radical, I know
+--- 2557766
+>>2557452
+>I don't know what elevation gain is
+Hey flatland dweller, some of us have actual terrain to deal with.
+--- 2557776
+>>2557420
+>1x potato 
+>1x carrot 
+>1x small broccoli
+>1x dehydrated beef 
+>1x stew powder
+Wow bro that is so fucking heavy omg how can anyone carry that my god so much weight
+--- 2557802
+>>2557420
+>long hike
+>peanut butter and tortillas
+
+No thanks. I will carry more weight and eat proper meal so I don't feel like shit after eating goyslop for 5 days
+--- 2557837
+>>2557804
+>implying hot spices cause digestive problems when they actually prevent them in proper dosage
+Nice meme.
+Eat more fiber
+--- 2557845
+>>2557802
+>>2557776
+>>2557460
+>>2557452
+>>2557437
+>>2557425
+>>2557408 (OP)
+These are the people who don’t hike. Some of them prioritize camping (which is fine), and some have never been outside. Most of their opinions are shit.
+--- 2557847
+>>2557845
+I hike. Stop the gatekeeping.
+--- 2557854
+One of the best ways to hike (or camp, idgaf) is to bring awesome food mostly pre-prepped. I'll fill a 40 oz Nalgene with stew and bring a home baked loaf of french bread and some butter for the first night, that's the buena vida niggas. My old lady makes the bombest of burritos in every flavor, or quiche, or anything else that's heavy on fat that you crave after putting in some vert. Freeze the filling and bring the torts seperate.
+Before you malign my ability to make distance carrying heavy shit, I'm tall and 240 lbs, I could carry most of you twinks in my fanny pack, if I had one.
+If distance is your measure of grit, then cut your toothbrush in half and subsist on dried pig dicks and Tang, more power to you. You'll never see us, off-piste bushwhacking to the ultimate sites you'll never see while you're head down trying to get somewhere in a hurry. Check your strava again, you're almost on pace for thirteenth place.
+--- 2557855
+>>2557854
+>doesn’t know the difference between hiking and camping
+>still tried gatekeeping
+>is an enormous fatass
+--- 2557856
+>>2557837
+Yeah I never get a bad stomach from hot food even if it's red hot. Quite the opposite really
+--- 2557863
+Quality of terrain & destination > distance, although they are often related. 
+I live near one of the clusterfuck capitals of the outdoors yet somehow we don't see anyone for days after leaving the TH. 
+Pic related, didn't see a single person the whole day. No tracks, the first ones in that area this spring. 
+We ate tuna sammiches, pepperoni, cheese and crackers and drank the snowmelt unfiltered, it was delicious.
+--- 2557866
+>>2557855
+Kek, you're so dumb even your friends can tell. I can dunk a spookball and rek your shit at any sport. Also I have photos from the great outdoors, which is more than you can say. I piss on you from considerable height, Paco.
+--- 2557888
+>>2557863
+It’s true everywhere. I took a trip to Zion years ago and the Disney Words comparisons are true until you get a few hours from the trailheads. The buses that run through the park were so packed we had to wait for a second one. It was peak season and it was to be expected, and we saw a few people on the trail but it was really shocking how few. The same for Great Smoky Mountain NP last year. Clingman’s Dome lives up to the “expectation/reality/ meme, and that where I parked. But for four days I saw like 4 groups of people, and all of them were on the AT section.
+--- 2558403
+>>2557804
+I'm sorry pal but spicy thai chili tuna is the bomb. I will never stop consuming it.
+--- 2558416
+>>2557856
+Onions fuck me up more than habaneros..
+--- 2558472
+>>2557420
+Anyone who has been out long enough and got a piece of fresh meat and a couple of vegetables a month in knows how much that stuff will make your mouth water
+--- 2558485
+Either rice balls or something sturdy enough to be carried around all day at room temperature. Bringing some stew is cool, but really just give me water and a few basic survival snacks and I'll catch the rest maybe trout or salmon, or perhaps a turkey if I'm very lucky
+--- 2558540
+>>2558416
+I am so, so sorry that you do not get to enjoy the pure pleasure that is an onion centric diet.
+--- 2558718
+>>2557420
+Stew is made in heaps of ways. You can literally make a stew in a jetboil or a kidney cup, stew doesn't have to be an all day 5 person meal cooked in a massive fuck off cast iron pot. You can even buy it in bags, just warm it up and you're ready to go.
+--- 2558968
+>>2557408 (OP)
+Personally, I like venison steak and blackberry jam after I take down a deer and harvest some berries after a long day of hiking
+--- 2558969
+>>2558472
+yeah but imagine carrying a cast iron pot like op, holy shit
+--- 2559208
+>>2558969
+That’s a pic from google you retard. I carry a lightweight pan.
+--- 2559804
+>>2557408 (OP)
+>eating something like that right before going to sleep
+holy shit why.
+--- 2559815
+>>2557408 (OP)
+>carry a large cast iron pot to make stew on "long hikes"
+
+i dont believe you. I usually take some kind of frozen meat like sausages and buns for the first day. the idea that someone is carrying around a roast, potatoes and carrots and broth which are extremely calorie light to weight ratio is laughable. Do you take your microwave and car battery too? Just say you day hike and cook it at home, its fine.
+--- 2559817
+>>2557425
+I have done that backpacking. pack a frozen steak and by the end of the day its thawed and ready to cook
+--- 2559841
+>>2559804
+>he's never had that big-meal-sleepy-feeling
+My sympathies, anon
+--- 2559850
+>>2559841
+White people call it a “food coma.”
+--- 2559956
+>I never said anything about carrying a cast iron pan. I cook my food in foil and simmer in medium aluminum pan from my mess kit that weighs like half a pound total.
+--- 2560004
+>>2559815
+Day hikes with the cast iron are actually fun. You get get there in the morning, spend the entire day at your site screwing around and cooking a delicious stew, and then clean up and go home once the sun starts to set. A perfect day. I don't get why /out/casts try to act all tough like you're somehow "cheating" or a fraud unless you spend 15 days straight in the wilderness with nothing but a 15 pound pack, living off dehydrated meals and filtered swamp water.
+--- 2560055
+>>2560004
+Did you read the OP? Please explain the synopsis of it.
+--- 2560103
+>>2557854
+>120 kg
+>but I'm tall
+>not gonna tell you how tall
+kek, gotta love Americans
+--- 2560164
+>>2560055
+Irrelevant. I was responding to the post that I quoted, not OP. OP never even said anything about cast iron. You just made a dumb assumption based on his cozy picture.
+--- 2560479
+>>2560004
+
+Learn to read. OP asks favorite for meal to cook after a long hike. Start your own thread if you want to bitch about distance elitism. Which is both real and completely valid by the way.
+--- 2560528
+>>2560164
+Yes, you responded to a post about hiking, which was referencing the OP, which is about hiking. I never said anything about cast iron either.
+
+Seriously bruh, get the fuck out.
+--- 2560536
+Goulash, if i'm staying a couple of days i do a proper one in a stove pot but if i am on a day trip i usually bring one with some bread. its glorious.
+--- 2560551
+>>2560528
+>get the fuck out
+Do people actually expect that to do something?
+--- 2560596
+>>2560528
+>I never said anything about cast iron either.
+You clearly did in: >>2559815
+--- 2560602
+>>2560596
+>There’s no possible way more than one person disagrees with me
+>Everyone is the same person!
+This is a symptom of schizophrenia
+--- 2560603
+>>2560602
+You clearly aren't capable of following the conversation in that case, since my critique was directed specifically at the post I was quoting. If you don't want to be mistaken for someone else, then don't white knight their posts as if they're your own.
+--- 2560607
+>>2560603
+Again, the post you were quoting was about hiking, as it followed what the OP was talking about. You’re the one who can’t follow the conversation. The topic, for the third time, is hiking. Not car camping.
+--- 2560610
+>>2560607
+I never said anything about car camping. You can go for a short dayhike with cast iron, especially if you're in a group. I've done it.
+--- 2560624
+>muh dikstance
+You rule makers are a bunch of fags, and you're probably short. 
+Are we allowed to carry tall cans 4000 vert in five miles, if it's the first night? I don't even like beer that much but I'll carry some for my girl just to feel the weight drop off.
+--- 2560625
+I don't see many pics you city niggers.
+How bout a slab of HAM and a fat chaw after 3.5 miles of bushwhacking? Is that allowed?
+--- 2560628
+Here's something good to bring, make a bunch of these. They'll keep for a couple days without freezing.
+--- 2560629
+Usually use an egg wash on em but wanted to try without, they were still good.
+--- 2560630
+Here's some food for you distance lords, you can eat some paint brushes
+--- 2560634
+>>2560610
+>You get get there in the morning, spend the entire day at your site screwing around and cooking a delicious stew, and then clean up and go home once the sun starts to set.
+
+Nigger how is that not car camping? How do you get there in the morning and spend the entire day at a campsite? Did you hike in at night?
+--- 2560639
+I'm the only person in this thread to post /out pics, you are all useless.
+Is this an image board or not. Get your shit together nerds
+Akchually just fuck off and eat a fart sandwich
+--- 2560640
+>>2560639
+How do I get a 40yo out girlfriend?
+--- 2560642
+>>2560640
+Be taller
+--- 2560643
+>>2560640
+>girlfriend
+That’s a man
+--- 2560645
+One minute bikini weather, the next lightning and gully washers. The West is the best
+--- 2560651
+Still no pics eh
+Ima let you finish but my fav is chile verde burritos after a long haul. Pic unrelated
+--- 2560654
+The longest hike you Shitneequas do is to the bathroom at wallyworld
+--- 2560659
+If the stew is too heavy maybe bring a lighter tent. Maybe stop being a pussy idk
+--- 2560672
+>>2560634
+>he doesn't know what car camping is
+Just because you drive a car to your entry point doesn't mean it's car camping you retard
+--- 2560684
+I can't really do a lot of distance any more, but I do love proper campfire steaks. There's something about carving up a bigass hunk of beef with a fixed blade and making four caveman steaks roasted on sticks.
+--- 2560685
+ITT: goyslop
+--- 2560687
+>>2560684
+Fugg yeah, and frozen steaks can keep until day 2 breakfast at least. Bring several.
+--- 2560690
+>>2557408 (OP)
+Beef jerky and dried bananas
+--- 2560701
+>>2560672
+>get there
+What did you do after that? Did you spend part of the day hiking to a campsite?
+>spend your entire day at your site screwing around and cooking
+Pretty comfy, sure. But you did go hiking, right?
+>pick up and go home
+
+You’re right, it’s not car camping. It’s a picnic or bbq or something.
+--- 2560713
+>>2560701
+>What did you do after that? Did you spend part of the day hiking to a campsite?
+Of course. That's why I called it a day hike and not a day drive.
+--- 2560955
+>>2557845
+Its possible that some people have physically trained themselves to be a pack mule by routinely carrying heavy bags. That person is not moving any faster going ultralite. Ultralite hikers are 90 pounds body weight and unable to ruck gear but maybe share the board outside of that niche or make friends with one since they can handle rucking in the gear.
+--- 2560974
+>>2560955
+/out/ is a newb echo chamber
+--- 2560986
+>>2560974
+>echo chamber
+In that the echo is almost always a variation of "fuck you", yes
+--- 2560994
+>>2560986
+>I wouldn’t benefit from a lighter pack
+>ultralight is so people can go faster
+>people do it because they’re week
+Tiresome and newbish
+--- 2560997
+Me and my brother have a tradition going back to the 90s. We would spend a week or two camping in the White Mountains and would do one big hike or maybe two small hikes, and always return to the cozy campground after to recover. 4 days huffing ass across the Presidentials? Stop at MackDonalds on the way home. 1 day huffing ass up to Glen Boulder and Mt Isolattion? Stop at MackDonalds on the way home.
+
+I'm sure plenty of people have enjoid McDicks as much as me and my bro over the last 25yrs, but nobody has enjoid it more.
+
+Sorry for the blogpost and the boring answer but for me, it'll always be that calorie dump as my favorite post-/out/ meal.
+--- 2561104
+>>2560994
+nta, but yes
+--- 2561108
+>>2560639
+Can i has recipe for FARD SAMMICH? xD
+--- 2561130
+>>2560639
+whos dat your mom
+--- 2561160
+Look at my balls, nagglers
+--- 2561252
+>>2561160
+I would put those balls in my mouth
+--- 2561325
+>>2557408 (OP)
+Meat, vegetables, and fruit is the normal human diet. How far some modern humans have strayed.
+--- 2561616
+>>2557459
+How long does it take you to harvest 1 trips worth?
+--- 2561619
+>>2561325
+
+See: >>2557455
+--- 2561700
+>>2561619
+That's larping? Lmao lol. What do you eat for a meal anon?
+--- 2561713
+>>2561619
+>eating normal whole foods is larping
+>noooooooooo you have to buy the PRODUCT to enjoy the outdoors!!!!
+--- 2561740
+>>2561160
+mmmm that's a tasty meatball.... NOT THAT A NIGGER WOULD KNOW HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
+--- 2561817
+>>2560713
+>I spent the entire day at the site
+>I went hiking
+It can’t be both
+--- 2561819
+I just posted in the potato thread that all food threads on /out/ separate the people that go on extended outings (generally hiking) from those that don’t. It’s painfully obvious who’s just shitposting and who acktchually has experience.
+--- 2561822
+>>2557408 (OP)
+>cooking after a long hike
+as easy and short as possible. Best just buy something if possible.
+--- 2561857
+>>2561817
+Oh gee whiz you got me there, check mate i guess.
+--- 2561859
+>>2561819
+Who gives a shit, you some sort of try-hand pretend elitist? As long as people are enjoying the /out/doors that's all that matters. You're not impressing anyone.
+--- 2561899
+>>2561859
+Tell it to the faggots saying backpacking food is le bad.
+--- 2562868
+>>2557420
+>Anyone who carries all the necessary ingredients and equipment to make a stew or roast has never been on a long hike.
+Eh, it's not that much weight unless you bring a god damn cast iron dutch oven or something.
+Plus, it's worth the extra sweat and sore muscles to have a good fucking meal after a long, cold day.
+--- 2562882
+>>2561859
+Based. 
+"Backpackers" are the most insufferable people on this board by a comfortable margin.
+--- 2562894
+>>2557408 (OP)
+
+Shashlik with roasted onions, tomatoes and potatoes.
+--- 2563091
+>>2557408 (OP)
+I just slice some bread open and fill it with ham, sardines or tuna.
+--- 2565637
+>>2563091
+based /cannadeenz/ poster
+--- 2565663
+>>2562882
+But they also seem to be the only people with any kind of experience or knowledge base.
+--- 2565679
+>>2565663
+That's not remotely true, but thanks for providing Example #50231 for why backpackers are the most insufferable group on /out/
+--- 2565742
+>>2565679
+It’s very true and this thread proved it.
+--- 2566995
+Speaking as someone who was a security guard (lots of walking) up until last month? Luncheon meat mixed into white rice or macaroni and cheese, lentil mash with dried veggies, corned beef mixed into white rice, canned fish in fideo noodles, tortillas topped with canned ham and ez-cheese or with trail mix and peanut butter. These are things I could pile into a backpack-sized sterilite and carry into nowhere for a week.
+
+Humanitarian Daily Rations are very cheap now. Fifty bucks for a case of ten. Two of those is a weeks' worth of food if you stretch it.
+
+Going to grab more Knorr packets today. You can use powdered nobfat milk and cooking oil in place of lowfat milk and butter. Could probably use canned chicken in those. Have to brown it first...
+--- 2566999
+>>2566995
+>Humanitarian Daily Rations are very cheap now.
+All vegetarian, btw. And they taste like absolute ass compared to MRE’s.
+--- 2567668
+>>2557420
+I enjoy OP's post. I don't enjoy your tryhard garbage. Go flex about hardcore your hikes are at your hostel, maybe some of the other homeless drug addicts will find them impressive.
+--- 2567733
+>>2557420
+fpwp
+--- 2567739
+>>2567668
+stop taking prozac
+--- 2567741
+>>2567668
+That other guy's post was also irrelevant because the OP specifically meantioned cooking his meal AFTER he finishes his hike and not during. It's like these backpacking retards have no concept of a base camp.
+--- 2567774
+>>2567741
+You mean car camping. Otherwise OP did carry all of that stuff on a hike.

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+-----
+--- 2557807
+why is every thread people fighting with eachother? I am new here but usually chill at other boards and they feel like a more close community but coming on here just makes me depressed
+--- 2557810
+Welcome to the worst board on all of 4chan.
+--- 2557820
+>>2557807 (OP)
+We're actually all good friends irl but /out/ is where we post our fantasies. None of us actually ever go outside. Just hang /out/ and have a drink with us and HARDEN THE FUCK UP. 
+
+Aw shit anon, I was just joshin' ya. Here, have a beer. Want some trail mix? Here, pull that Helinox Chair Zero up closer to the fire. 
+
+You sure got a purty mouth...
+--- 2557827
+The main strategy of the parasites that infest this shithole is to divide. 
+In no case can they allow a feeling of rapport to develop, or this dump would create an army of dissidents willing to cause chaos irl in defense of their frends. 
+The jannies reserve their fiercest loathing for anons that are nice. 
+It's a microcosm of the jewSA, same principles apply.
+>inb4 thread balleeted in 3, 2, 1
+--- 2557829
+There are 2 or 3 guys who sit on this board 24/7 constantly complaining about what /out/ 'used' to be they samefag threads to death if they don't like the subject.
+
+I'm pretty sure they're genuine oldfags that used to use other boards but can't cope with how much 4chan has changed and so have abandoned them focusing all of their effects on /out/ in a last ditch attempt at saving one board. Unfortunately they are prone to autistic meltdowns and have taken on the role of pseudo-jannies (this board does not have dedicated jannies all moderation comes from other boards) and all of this has lead to utter chaos here. What you have is a minority of people with extremely strong opinions, autism, multiple IP addresses and a moderation team that do not understand this board and so delete anything with the most reports.
+--- 2557832
+>>2557807 (OP)
+/out/ has tons of newfags with shit takes and tiresome bullshit opinions based on little or no experience. And I don’t mean they’re new to the board. They’re new to outdoor recreation.
+--- 2557833
+because we actually don't go out we just larp and buy expensive shit to post them on here but we usually don't step outside
+--- 2557835
+>>2557829
+>Unfortunately they are prone to autistic meltdowns
+i kek'd
+--- 2557842
+>>2557833
+>expensive shit
+The “show us your kit” thread is almost entirely jokes and AliExpress budget gear.
+--- 2557844
+>>2557842
+Oyyyyy veyyy, most of us don't have $100 to spend on schlocky trinkets, $80 is a lot of money. $60 is too much for that, go ask your mom for $50.
+--- 2557851
+>>2557807 (OP)
+This is 4chan.
+Hating things is kinda our schtick.
+--- 2557884
+>>2557807 (OP)
+hey fuck you
+--- 2558522
+conceptually its a self defeating board. it can only really be used to discuss gear and locations, after that? You go outside. So people argue over using a knife to baton wood and what water bottle is best, what's the best ultralight under 100 dollar tent, etc. Consumerism, elitism and other shit. Its like, if you go out and take a couple pics, share 'em here I guess but why bother? Oh well. Its fun to check in on in case somebody actually has a good story, but ultimately, if you go outside, you're not on 4chan.
+--- 2558535
+>>2557807 (OP)
+>why is every thread people fighting with eachother?
+The elections brought in a shit ton of morons. Their unmitigated stupidity drove away anything of value.
+--- 2558541
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Oh, terribly sorry anon. We'll all hold hands and sing Kumbaya for you.
+--- 2558561
+Mostly drunk /k/ommsndoes and /pol/ tards who escaped
+--- 2558660
+>>2557807 (OP)
+>why is every thread people fighting with eachother?
+because /out/ is too vague for a board topic, so you have fags saying they like hiking arguing with ATV/motorbikering fags over who has the right to some public land because no one here can afford their own land. this board is literally every single public land argument over every single little thing, because you're all gay poorniggers get fucked faggots
+--- 2559329
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Not me, I post quality stuff.
+
+https://youtu.be/Da7GSy-6mJY?t=57 [Embed]
+--- 2559333
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Only nuanced and experienced outfags can distinguish the sarcasm and trolling from genuine advice. 
+
+>>2557842
+Sure, I post kek gear on "gear threads" that's what they are for.
+--- 2559340
+>>2557807 (OP)
+for the past 3 or so years this board has been nothing but crossposting and shitposting sewer by corona tourists mainly from /pol/ 
+things might never get back to normal but OC, fishing and hortonomy threads are always here so it feels like home
+--- 2559369
+This board probably a microcosm of outdoor recreation issues at the national scale, which boils down to too many people trying to use available resources. That's why we're trying to slow population growth and limit access to public lands -- the sooner we can prevent unnecessary access, the sooner the ecosystems will recover. WEF corporate partners and governments strive to bring social responsibility to outdoor recreation. With your cooperation we will achieve equity in the outdoors and reverse global warming.
+--- 2559374
+>>2559369
+aka locking poor people into their wagecages and homepods.
+--- 2559390
+>>2559369
+Brb have to burn some tyres
+--- 2559466
+>>2558561
+>Mostly drunk /k/ommsndoes
+At least we go /out/ to go shooting.
+--- 2559532
+>>2557807 (OP)
+I think there are two main contributors to the infighting:
+1. The influx of /pol/tards.
+2. Gear-obsessed anons who love to argue over equipment.
+--- 2559544
+>>2559532
+don't forget the runaway from home men-children.
+--- 2559560
+>>2559532
+And the influx from /a/ and lebbit thanks to vaguely outdoors-related animes
+--- 2559564
+That's why I stopped coming on 4chan so much man I used to enjoy it when I was an edgy little cunt but holy shit there's no point. All hobby focused boards are just arguing about gear, /g/ /k/ /p/ and /out/ is just a pissing match of who bought the latest meme and weirdo gay brand loyalty
+--- 2559567
+Fishing general is filled with anglers who actually know their shit. You can sift through the banter and the troll posting quite easily if you're an avid angler. The common thing you see is non-anglers shitting on bass fishermen despite the fact the few bass guys who post their regularly absolutely know a thing or two and don't mind handing out advice. Then there's a bunch of fly anglers yearning to teach, a bunch of PNW anglers who catch nice trout / steelhead, etc. 
+
+We have 1 or 2 people who try to shit it up, but everyone has learned to make fun of them and move on. Look at /off-road general/ and it's the exact opposite. One guy has been trolling them for ~3 months now it seems and they still keep replying to him and nothing of value is discussed due to it.
+--- 2559568
+>>2557832
+Agreed. I think it’s the biggest problem. Maybe it’s because the concept of going outdoors is so simple that deviation from normal experience seems so dumb or made up.
+--- 2559569
+>>2557829
+>it’s only 2 or 3 people
+>it can’t be dozens of people telling me I’m wrong
+>they all have mental defects
+>they’re using multiple IP addresses!
+Real schizo hours
+--- 2559775
+>>2557807 (OP)
+What other board feels like a more close community? Every board I've ever used has someone ready to call you a retard on it at a moment's notice similar to here.
+--- 2559778
+>>2559569
+I know it's you bro you post the exact same pics over and over again
+--- 2560222
+>>2557807 (OP)
+>All I do is gatekeep and complain
+leave, no one will miss you.
+You reddlt retards have zero self awareness and have bant I'd expect from a tween (boring, repetitive, almost never relevant, whiny)
+>>2557820
+This retard, for example, posts this in every thread. 
+>We
+Imagine being so self absorbed you think you speak for other people on an anonymous website.
+>>2557827
+Lots of words to say something retarded 
+in a thread about trash quality on the board.
+Truly retarded ant totally lacking self awareness. No wounder life is hard for you.
+>>2557851
+Reddlt transplants can't comprehend every board belongs to /pol/ and /pol/ evolved from /b/... /out/ was an afterthought and is one of the "new" boards.
+Reddlt retards come here and try to make it a hugbox echo chamber and get pissy because they don't comprehend what it is and cry about not being able to gatekeep, shame, and group think consensus like they're accustomed to.
+
+tl;dr: Reddlt transplants are retarded but no one tells them on reddlt because of uproot and censorship then they come here and get slammed for being retarded and cry about it constantly.
+--- 2560367
+>>2557810
+No, that's easily /k/ since the whole ukraine bullshit started.
+--- 2560533
+>>2557832
+This place really does have the absolute worst takes on a lot of stuff, and it’s really old, tiresome bullshit.
+
+Remember the thread about taking off your shoes vs leaving them on when crossing a creek? Absolute retard tier opinions.
+--- 2560538
+>>2560533
+Let me guess. You're the retard who keeps his shoes on for creek crossings. Years later you're still butthurt over getting called out for your dumbfuck opinion.
+--- 2560558
+>>2560538
+It was an even split, with half of everyone leaving their shoes on and the other half telling everyone what they would do if they ever went outside.
+
+The Eagle Rock Loop trail in Ouachita NF is just under 30 miles long with 11 creek crossings (I think it’s 13 after a heavy rain). Would you really stop every ~3 miles to take off your shoes?
+--- 2560564
+>>2560558
+I would walk barefoot the entire time instead of putting my shoes on and off like a sperg. Barefoot chads win again.
+--- 2560569
+>>2560564
+kek based i do enjoy those waterproof shoes tho. imagine going for a hike unprepared
+--- 2560573
+>>2560538
+> caring this much over what other people do
+thanks for making this place unbearable
+/out/ truly is the biggest schizo board, those nights under the stars clearly have done nothing for your mental disposition.
+--- 2560579
+>>2560558
+On the sheltowee me and my friend took our shoes off for the first few crossings after that we just left our shoes on for the next 100.
+--- 2560591
+>>2560533
+>this place has bad advice
+>>2560569
+>advocating for waterproof shoes
+
+Holy shit, fucking pottery
+--- 2560621
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Lemme esplain
+Biggest outdoor groups in the country
+>hunters
+>autistic campers
+>instathots(not really outdoorsy but they still show up in the same circles)
+>hippies
+>upper middle class city libs
+>gun larpers
+>feral people
+So just looking at those groups and considering thier typical ideals, a meeting of the minds is doomed to fail
+--- 2560789
+>>2560222
+post tits
+--- 2562085
+>>2559532
+This
+--- 2562170
+>>2557807 (OP)
+times are getting tough and retards need a place to vent where theyre not held accountable for their behaviour.
+--- 2562187
+You fuckers are so overdramatic. Have you ever been to /b/? /gif/? /lgbt/? /vt/? /trash/?
+Only after the pilgrimmage to all five of those places, will you know true peace from this evil.
+--- 2562188
+lush deciduous forests
+--- 2562197
+>>2562187
+/b/ is made for trolling and /gif/ is porn and gore. I don’t think either is a blue bird. /tttt/ is just the end result of discovering pornography at 11 years old and caters to the mentally disturbed. So it’s not an apt comparison.
+--- 2562219
+>>2562197
+/lgbt/ is a horrible board where you have to egg on people's mental illness or catch a 3 day ban for "trolling". In /out/ I can say fishing is for gaywads and fishers should just shoot the fish with 50 caliber bullets and the mods won't do shit
+Freeer speech = better board quality.
+--- 2562220
+>>2562197
+Also, you clearly haven't gone to /b/ or /gif/ in years if that's you're impression of them. Go now. Check all five of them out. Then come back and tell me /out/ is the worst place on this godforsaken site.
+--- 2562354
+>>2557807 (OP)
+It's the Americans. Go to any euro /out/ thread and it's great. Until the muttoids come in and shit everything up that is
+--- 2562377
+>>2562197
+>/b/ is made for trolling
+/b/ is made for porn and the andy sixx meme. /gif/ is made for bbc/trans psyop threads and tiktok ylyl threads. i used to edit webms and put screamers in them for the lulz
+--- 2562530
+>>2562354
+>Go to any euro /out/ thread and it's 3rd worlders seething about the states
+fixed
+--- 2562572
+>>2557807 (OP)
+People who actually go out are chill it's the LARPing faggots from /pol/ and /k/ that stir shit up constantly in every thread
+--- 2562574
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Most of /out/ doesn't actually care about /out/ stuff directly, they are largely schizoids who use the outdoors, or even just the idea of the outdoors, as a coping mechanism, and being socially retarded mental cripples means they are all in a constant state of misery and are always looking for the closest scapegoat, that being the mental cripple right next to them.
+--- 2562579
+>>2562574
+Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions
+--- 2562580
+>>2562574
+It's people who constantly make assumptions about other users (i.e. you) who have made this board complete dogshit the past few years.
+--- 2562584
+>>2562579
+>>2562580
+>assuuumtions!11
+--- 2562588
+>>2562584
+And projections. Particularly the part about being mentally crippled.
+--- 2562590
+>>2562588
+>n-n-no U!
+kek, take your meds retard.
+--- 2562592
+>>2562590
+>meds
+Post nose
+--- 2562594
+It's pretty chill if you hang out while americans are asleep. There's a couple of good threads still going. People bickering and obvious trolls / underage posters are pretty easy to pick out and are easily filtered when you click the blue arrow, but hatred is inescapable on 4chan
+>>2562197
+>/tttt/
+Underrated and highly accurate post. /lgbt/ is now exclusively straight male "transbians" taking estrogen in an attempt to get laid by other straight males who have been on HRT for longer. It's an entertaining freakshow. Grab a drink and enjoy the ride
+>>2557844
+>Oyyyyy veyyy, most of us don't have $100 to spend on schlocky trinkets, $80 is a lot of money. $60 is too much for that, go ask your mom for $50
+Not that anon but if you don't have $100 a week of disposable income to spend on trinkets, you're failing at life and don't speak for "most of us" at all. Do you even look at the most recent outing threads and check the exif data?
+--- 2562595
+>>2562592
+jews and retards go in the same oven retard.
+--- 2562597
+>>2562595
+Guess you're going in twice then
+--- 2562615
+>>2560222
+/pol/ is easily the most reddit board and they only took over other boards after the 2016 election tourists from Reddit came to /pol/
+--- 2562663
+>>2557807 (OP)
+It's basically rural vs city niggers squaring off, it's a pretty common thing in real life and anytime they share the same hobby. They are basically incompatible with each other.
+--- 2562843
+>>2560367
+no. /k/ will heal after the conflict. /out/ is just a shit-fest of crybabies
+--- 2562856
+>>2562579
+>>2562580
+You do know when someone points out in a group "a non complete but significant portion of this group is mentally crippled!", announcing that you are offended at being called a mental cripple, outs yourself as knowing that you are indeed one of the mental cripples, right?
+--- 2562997
+>>2562597
+Made me kek, nice one
+--- 2562998
+>>2562663
+As a rural day who lives in Philly currently I can say it’s not really those who come from the city that cause the most drama it’s the transplants from the suburbs. I’ve met plenty of nice niggers while fishing in the city and orentials that made me realize it’s just the white retards that make everything suck for most other people.
+--- 2563000
+>>2562997
+>replying to himself
+take your meds.
+--- 2563010
+>>2563000
+Nigga I don’t go on this board enough to want to reply to myself to bump the thread. Appreciate the trips but I don’t know how it could be a self reply unless my neighbor is also posting on /out/
+--- 2563982
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Because your gay
+--- 2564401
+>>2559532
+every board belongs to /pol/
+You gatekeeping redlt retards post the stupidist shit and spend most of your time crying about getting called out for being retarded.
+Say it with me, idiots:
+/out/ came long after /pol/ and only retards and reddlters monoboard.
+--- 2564406
+>>2562615
+Fun fact: Reddlt used to be good. It didn't last long though. The election tourists were a boon and many got deprogramed on /pol/ or redpilled enough to ease up on sucking trumps dick.
+The problem was the tranny brigade that followed them to /pol/,relentlessly posting libcuck spam and 80iq hot garbage.
+The seething libcucks are the cancer.
+--- 2564432
+>>2559340
+>owl gets a revolver
+Baded
+--- 2564436
+>>2564406
+It was all downhill after they shutdown r/CoonTown. Reddit is still a good source for some things, and the “Reddit bad” meme is purely political. The backpacking subs are mostly just photos now though, which is ok I guess, but not something I’m interested in. r/ultralight has some good content but is a serious Tarp Tent circle jerk (or it was a few years ago; it was really, really bad).
+--- 2564438
+>>2560222
+>Imagine being so self absorbed you think you speak for other people on an anonymous website
+Imagine thinking you aren't just a person I made up to argue with. I also made you ugly and stupid so I wont hold it against you,
+--- 2564453
+>>2564438
+Your lack of self awareness is truly astounding.
+--- 2564524
+>>2564453
+I knew you would say that, you poor ugly bastard
+--- 2564569
+>>2557807 (OP)
+This is how men comunicate on the internet, even more in 4chan ... 
+
+if you can't take it leave it fag 
+/out/ is good af kys
+--- 2564600
+>>2560222
+>old /b/tard
+post your hrt titties make em jiggle for me
+--- 2564603
+>>2562219
+>and the mods won't do shit
+the problem with this board is there is no janny so any moderation gets done by jannies from boards like origami and papercraft who have no clue what or the fuck is going on here and "off topic" is against the rules. so if you do any amount of posting on this board you catch perpetual bans for 3 month old posts. which leads to this board never keeping long term regular posters. over time most anons wind up fucking off or exclusively coming here to troll and bait.
+--- 2564604
+>>2559567
+>Fishing general is filled with anglers who actually know their shit.
+>Then there's a bunch of fly anglers yearning to teach, a bunch of PNW anglers who catch nice trout / steelhead, etc.
+dude what?
+i made a post in there a while ago saying i live in the seattle area and i wanna take my dad fishing before he croaks, asked where around here i should go fishing and what kit i should buy because i don't know anything i haven't gone fishing since i was a teenager. and it got no replies or just some troll shit.
+--- 2564607
+oh yeah i remember now, 1 reply calling me a cityfag or something (i don't live there, its just the closest major landmark)
+--- 2564609
+>>2564603
+Nailed it.
+--- 2564611
+>>2562219
+all these imageboards were horrible things from the beginning. every old /b/tard killed themself or is a tranny. moot's mother is a glownigger, 420chan cp board, etc etc. anyone who knows this site's history doesn't need to be told i'm preaching to the choir. but most users don't know the history. we're all participants in the modern version of the hippie movement, also brought to you by glowniggers. this time it was about getting millenials and zoomers to all do drugs and take sex change hormones. enjoy the ride!
+--- 2564613
+>>2564604
+From the perspective of a life-long angler, fishing general is a sorry-ass joke. I hope you and pops had some good times before he passed.
+--- 2564614
+its been a death cult from the beginning lol
+heres the guy who started modern internet culture, the modern conception of memes etc, he ended his life with no suicide note after beating his wife
+--- 2564616
+>>2564613
+hes still got like a year or two i wanna go fishing this summer nigger
+--- 2564718
+>>2564614
+wtf are you talking about man?
+--- 2565621
+>>2559532
+>1. The influx of /pol/tards.
+I feel more of an influx of tourists, than /pol/tards specifically. Feel like 2016 and 2020 each brought in a fuckton more tourists to /pol/, who then infected every other board with their retarded behavior once election shit ended and they searched for new shit to yell about. 
+Now it's people trying to constantly one-up each other or establish themselves as the authority of /out/, instead of just chilling. Depressing.
+--- 2565622
+>>2559560
+/a/ was always here
+--- 2565649
+>>2562187
+>the gayest boards are gay
+Checks out. I will agree though that /out/ is actually usable.
+--- 2565655
+>>2559532
+anyone who complains about muh /pol/ is outing themselves at a redditor
+--- 2565688
+>>2565655
+That and unironically being into ultralight are two of the biggest giveaways desu
+--- 2565695
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Its hippies 
+The most anger comes from the 'appeal to nature' crowd
+The discussion is fine until somebody says they prefer synthetic fabrics, or someone sprays weeds or they eat processed food.or god forbid, you have a lawn or think gmos are not deadly poison
+Then it's fucking on
+Your a jew, kill yourself, namecalling, speculating about your mental state 
+And just garbage teir arguments
+Appeal to nature has become a religion
+And the board is full of zealots
+--- 2565893
+Every single board on this shithole is like this
+
+/trv/ is about how travel is worthless and shit, unless you are a sex tourist
+/lit/ is about how what you read is shit
+/int/ is about how your country is shit
+/biz/ is about how it's time to commit suicide because it's over, as well as scams to take your money
+
+then there's /pol/ which takes a stinking dump over every other board and fills it full of schizoshit, DA JOOS, and le edgy doomer, blackpill memes from 2015
+--- 2565940
+>>2557832
+A few posts above this one some faggot stated that anyone who’s “into ultralight” is from Reddit. In reality, anyone who’s done a lot of hiking eventually looked into making their hikes more comfortable, and understood why a lighter pack is a good idea. It’s a great example of peak newfag outing himself as such with a worn out, tiresome opinion.
+--- 2565957
+>>2565940
+Autistically weighing every item you put into your backpack is peak Reddit. Autistically creating spreadsheets and pie charts for your gear and calorie intake is peak Reddit. 
+
+Ultralight trailhiking fags like you should go back to where you'll find more of an audience for your casual, normie-tier recreation activities.
+--- 2565962
+>>2565957
+>ultralight equals casual
+See what I mean? Peak newfaggot.
+<recreation activities
+LARP harder, newfag
+--- 2565966
+>>2565962
+All hiking is casual with no barrier to entry. That's why you see way more casuals hiking than rock climbing, mountain biking, scuba diving, hunting, bushcrafting, and other activities that require technical skill and sometimes licenses/certifications. 
+
+Ultralight is just being autistic and obnoxious about an activity that any non-crippled retard can do. At least normie hikers on Facebook and Instagram realize what they're doing isn't special and just want to have an enjoyable experience. Nothing wrong with that. That's more than you can say about UL faggots.
+--- 2565970
+>>2565966
+>All hiking is casual
+Triples down. The sad part is /out/ is crawling with newfags like this. 
+>bushcrafting isn’t casual
+lol
+LMAO
+--- 2565974
+>>2565970
+>putting one foot in front of another is hardcore
+>having the necessary skills to survive in the wilderness for extended periods of time is totally casual
+UL fags are every bit as ignorant as they are arrogant. What more proof does this board need?
+--- 2565982
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Like a child at a drag show
+Or a crack hit in a playground
+You better fuckin be down 
+Or pack your shit and go
+--- 2565984
+>>2565966
+Preach
+--- 2565985
+>>2565974
+>hiking 25 miles in a day with 20k feet of elevation loss and gain is casual
+>building a stick fort within earshot of the interstate is hardcore
+The difference is people actually attempt long hikes, while “having the necessary skills to survive in the wilderness” is primarily larping.
+--- 2565988
+>>2565985
+Ok, so basically your entire knowledge of bushcrafting is based on passing by some kid's makeshift fort one time. Got it.
+--- 2565989
+>>2557829
+just getting TIRED of all the literal copy/pasting of past threads with sections edited out hoping for a GOLDEN MEME filled thread they can sell on REDDIT, QUASIMODO, and other sites/services/apps.
+jannies all over 4chan and 4channel ALL make use of copy/paste posts HOPING for a different take for their preferred postings, and allowing newestfags and shit to post bomb the site into oblivion again and again.
+
+love how the MODS and Jannies LOVE to use 4chan in their job resumes and shit. actually encountered one in a community college, PROUD and WHIPPING HIS BABY DICK AROUND about it. Lots of regular guys/gals avoiding him and/or patting him on the back hoping he doesn't go school shooter.
+he also LOVED to use the KEYWORD he was told to use, DISINGENUOUS, believes it causes glowies to get hardons for his dick and save him money for bar hopping.
+nowadays you just gotta hop around, try to shift through the waste, give good posts, and laugh at the weasles and tryhard trolls, mods or tryhard betamax mods.
+Also thank god vanlife is trending less now, vans are getting cheaper and such. Tents and shit still overpriced thanks to port fuckery, politics, and people trying to get next quarter record profits yet again.
+--- 2565991
+>>2565988
+Those children are the apotheosis of bushcraft. Your entire knowledge of hiking is from boomers you saw at a trail head. Got it.
+--- 2565992
+>>2565991
+>no u
+--- 2565994
+>>2565992
+It’s like saying running isn’t a real sport because it doesn’t involve a ball, there isn’t a huge set of rules, you don’t need a ref, and the sport is defined by the 2 mile gun run in your local park. Meanwhile people on forums are getting in touch with other ultramarathoners and people who run 25k’s ever weekend. But your pickup game of basketball is way more hardcore.
+--- 2565998
+>>2565988
+people stacking rocks doesn't help anyone, themselves included usually,
+everyone chopping down green trees, getting mad when they can't burn the tree right then and there, steal/borrow dried wood and then get drunk/high/fuck, party, throw bottles everywhere and fuck off into the morning light trying to skip paying for fucking up the camp site/location.
+thats the first thing most campgrounds/farmers/landowners experience.
+then there's the kid/guy/internet wise guy who keeps seeing "how to survive in the wilderness without a tent, tools, anything but a rock, some string/rope/ducktape and your wits" guys who end up wrecking an area, because they didn't want to buy a cheap 20 dollar tent, weather proof it and just throw a cheap camo wrap around it for the season to stealth it, while never thinking that having a fire is easily the fastest way for anyone with a working nose, eyes, ears, and a dog to find them without fail.
+
+keep an eye out for these, wilderness survival huts, lots of them leave them standing, means you can come back in a week or three in dry weather and have a nice supply of firewood no one else is touching to have your campfires with.
+
+filter your water, its the second easiest way to get water, first is the old waterpills method(take container, bandana to keep mud out, fill with water, put waterpill/treatment in, shake, wait suggested time, DRINK.
+FIlter, more expensive BUT, depending on the type, you get your water NOW and/or after a couple minutes(several gallons gravity filtered NICE for setting up your site and having freshly filtered, cold water)
+Just don't forget your salt/sugar/spices and you are golden.
+cotton to cool off/stay cool while sweatin. wool for staying warm when cold/somewhat wet. Just don't believe you don't stink.
+liners for your sleeping bags equals clean bags after you get your messy ass in them all the time and/or a lighter sleeping bag during hotter nights/days.
+
+TExT WALLS!!
+--- 2566002
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Gatekeeping outdoorsmen combined with an American/Euro schism as to what being an outdoorsman means.
+--- 2566005
+>>2565994
+Hiking fags have more in common with marathon running fags than they do with actual outdoorsmen. Come to think of it, /fit/ would be a better place for them to post than /out/
+--- 2566008
+>>2566005
+Bushcraft threads belong in /cgl/, or maybe /pw/ because it’s all make beleive.
+--- 2566010
+>>2566008
+to you maybe
+--- 2566019
+>>2566008
+>anything I don't like is make believe
+okay
+--- 2566050
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Conflict is the nature of the universe, pussy.
+--- 2566078
+>>2566002
+Gatekeeping outdoorsmen combined with an American/Euro schism as to what being an outdoorsman means.
+
+Five minutes later:
+
+>>2566002
+>Hiking fags have more in common with marathon running fags than they do with actual outdoorsmen
+
+It’s like pottery!
+--- 2566094
+ITT: Everybody hates everybody, no exceptions.
+--- 2566196
+>>2566094
+I wouldn't have my /out/ any other way.
+--- 2566360
+>>2566094
+This miserable shitbag is right
+--- 2567137
+>>2560533
+I'm pretty moderate on all things /out/ related since I've been out in a lot of different places with a lot of different people.
+
+I go trout fishing in streams for a whole week every summer. I don't wear galoshes or gators I just take my shoes off everytime I cross or wade into a stream. Sometimes I leave them off all day because I mostly fish in cow pastures and the thistles barely tickle through my calluses.
+
+Do whatever makes sense to you. The friends I go fishing with always wear gators and they think I'm crazy. To each his own.
+--- 2567139
+>>2567137
+Before anyone asks I've never had ringworm or injuries, if anything I have more trouble with ingrown toenails when I wear wet shoes or waterproof boots that don't let my feet breath. Your own experience will probably be different than mine, I'm not sharing opinions just facts.
+--- 2568086
+>>2557807 (OP)
+Frankly, the whole site never recovered from the barrage of shit that started in 2013 and the new owner doesn't care at all.
+--- 2568131
+>>2564614
+Disconnect your router and take your meds, schizo
+--- 2568139
+every board on 4chan is like this. Also Rogan is a shill and you need to start watching better commentators
+--- 2568350
+high test

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+-----
+--- 2558159
+Have you ever taken a girl /out/?
+--- 2558160
+yeah 2nd date with my current gf was an overnighter
+idk if that many girls would accept that in retrospect, but its a very good way to build trust and get an idea of how well u live together
+--- 2558161
+>>2558159 (OP)
+Yes. My wife and I will get drunk, take charcoal and draw over each others bodies, then dance naked around the fire.
+--- 2558164
+>>2558161
+And sex?
+--- 2558174
+>>2558159 (OP)
+Yeah I used to go hiking with my ex. My current GF does not like the outdoors much and does not mind me going /out/ regularly by myself and I lowkey prefer it this way. I can do whatever I want at my own pace.
+--- 2558178
+my ex and I would go hiking regularly, she would have me take photos of her infront of a rock or tree for her instagram, i was never allowed to be in them. she once threw a temper tantrum because we had to cross a muddy creek and she refused to get her shoes muddy
+--- 2558185
+>>2558159 (OP)
+yes but it implied we wouldn't be able to go as far/as fast as I usually go, so it's a fun experience but shouldn't be done everytime you go /out/
+--- 2558191
+>have fat gf
+>actually decent personality
+>wants to try hiking 
+>take her on a short one
+>out of breath most of the time and complains here and there but manages to climb to the top
+>said she liked the experience in the end (and photos for her profile obviously)
+
+Considering everything 6/10, will be better if she manages to stop stuffing her mouth with food at every oppprtunity
+--- 2558193
+>>2558188
+--- 2558205
+>>2558164
+wtf why would sex a wife? beeing married is like friendzone platinium
+--- 2558210
+>>2558164
+Yes, she loves being taken by the fire. We plan on doing a week long trip in the Olympic peninsula in a couple months.
+--- 2558211
+>>2558164
+His said his wife, so no. Sex ends after marriage.
+--- 2558221
+>>2558159 (OP)
+>OP wearing cotton pants right next to a massive water hazard
+ngmi
+--- 2558224
+>>2558159 (OP)
+Mixed results
+--- 2558230
+>>2558159 (OP)
+My newlywed wife and I have been hiking/kayaking buddies for 8 or 9 years, that is mostly all we do together in our outing times
+--- 2558243
+>>2558159 (OP)
+Ever? Of course. 
+Recently? Not really. 
+In recent years, one of the main reasons I go /out/ is to get AWAY from my wife
+--- 2558251
+Yes the gf hates hiking
+--- 2558279
+>>2558185
+Excuses.
+--- 2558285
+Yes, she just bitched the whole time, it sucked.
+--- 2558289
+>>2558159 (OP)
+I dated a girl I met on trail. Twice actually. Does that count? Otherwise no. I don't take girls /out/.
+--- 2558331
+>>2558159 (OP)
+I can't even imagine talking to a woman if she isn't into /out/ as much as I am. Every gf I've had was into backpacking, climbing, camping, nature, etc. I don't care if a chick isn't into fishing and hunting -- I don't expect them to be. If she's anti-hunting that's the end of it. I've turned down some otherwise decent women because they we're anti-hunting.
+--- 2558369
+>>2558159 (OP)
+Of course, my mom, my cousins, my sister.
+--- 2558374
+>>2558174
+>does not much like the outdoors
+
+Then why date her?
+--- 2558407
+>>2558289
+outdoorsy/rural women are the best
+--- 2558410
+>>2558331
+the true american dream is to hunt with a wife like her
+--- 2558417
+>>2558410
+You just know her ass is as flat as a washboard. Got that hank hill butt.
+--- 2558419
+>>2558417
+just accept her supremacy
+--- 2558559
+>>2558159 (OP)
+Julia?
+--- 2558564
+I may be an incel virgin manlet, but the last thing I want when I'm outdoors is the company of other people.
+--- 2558835
+Nope. Huge pain in the ass. The tribes of our pre-agricultural ancestors left women back in the cave or at camp except when they were migrating to a new cave or camp. Partly this was due to reproductive math, but just as importantly, women are slow, weak, fragile liabilities.
+
+These are modern women we're talking about, too, so that's squared.
+--- 2558845
+>>2558159 (OP)
+Yes, she was all of 5" and mogged me at 30+ miles a day with a heavier pack.
+--- 2558849
+>>2558845
+>5" 
+Based pixie dater
+--- 2558853
+>>2558849
+Fuck.
+We werent dating at all.
+You ever look back and realise how autistic youve just been.
+>"You me, going walking next week"
+>I say yeah, okay
+fuck there were signs.
+--- 2558857
+>>2558853
+I want to know more !
+--- 2558860
+>>2558835
+Based.
+
+Last time a woman tagged along a hike in a group of mine she had a mental breakdown 200m from the summit and did everything possible so none of the rest of the guys would reach it either.
+Then all of sudden had coke energy down the mountain so nobody could keep up.
+
+They do have the physical capabily but some of them don't have the right mindset to get things done right.
+--- 2558861
+>>2558860
+What do you mean
+That sounds retarded why wouldnt the people just go touch the summit then go back to her if she created a scene that needed attention
+--- 2558865
+>>2558861
+At the summit going around the mountain would've been exactly the same distance going back just on the other side with new views and experiences so that's what we would've done.
+I believe that was the problem that she couldn't take anymore "uncertainties".
+Simply not an explorative mind.
+I really doubt the problem was reaching the summit when it was just a few steps more.
+
+I could be wrong, I mean I look at it logically and she probably wasn't.
+
+And yeah it was retarded, her husband is a cuck and wouldn't manage her for the rest of us and nobody else felt like meddling in his affair, it would've been hell rest of weekend for him so we thought we did him a favour.
+
+The point is I agreed with anon they are better left to tend the cave.
+--- 2558878
+>>2558853
+>5 feet tall
+>likes to go /out/
+For the love of God anon why didn't you breed her immediately
+--- 2558965
+>>2558289
+How do you get a girls number/ get to know her from an interaction on a trail?
+--- 2558974
+>>2558965
+Point a gun at her.
+--- 2558976
+>>2558965
+I just talk to them but never ask women out unless they drool over me and walk after me. Modern women, It's all just so tiering... You are better off alone. Safe for your retirement and property purchase. Don't waste your time, nerves, or resources. Women will chase after you if you are ever good enough.
+--- 2559010
+>>2558159 (OP)
+>Have you ever taken a girl /out/?
+Yes. Often. First time I took my wife canoe camping was the first time she'd not slept within eye or ear sight of a car. It was the happiest I've ever seen her.
+--- 2559157
+>>2558374
+It's a win-win for me because I need a few weeks by myself every year and women are kind a pain in the ass when going /out/. When I was still with my ex who enjoyed going /out/ I always ended up going for different routes than I actually wanted to.
+--- 2559164
+>>2558374
+Most women don't like the outdoors. It's easier to just accept it. I've dated only one woman that actually wanted to go /out/, the rest think it's a novelty and they aren't interested in doing much more than a simple hike on a short and easy trail.
+Like the other anon said, that's okay. It means you get /out/ time to yourself. One thing I make clear to any girl I'm dating is that she doesn't have to accompany me, but I will have my /out/ time. I've had a couple girls break up with me because I was too busy climbing. They think it's a phase or something I guess.
+--- 2559165
+Yeah she only comes out in the summer though so I have to go months in between where nobody sucks my willy outdoors
+--- 2559185
+>>2559165
+nothing better than hiking with a tanned skin cutie
+--- 2559230
+>>2558159 (OP)
+I went on a mountain biking date with a girl, it went fine until I mentioned I owned guns. Oh well, she wasn't very good anyways and was a broke-ass. I fucking hate poor women.
+--- 2559246
+My court mandated female said she would if she can take edibles before
+--- 2559252
+>>2559165
+>>2559185
+That looks suspiciously like a Filipina gf.
+--- 2559307
+gf refuses to go camping because she doesn't like the idea of not having a toilet nearby. i'm okay with this though because she still loves golfing and fishing.
+--- 2559320
+>>2559185
+You right anon
+Apart from when I'm a fucking pasty ginger getting sunburned to shit and she just wants to absorb sun rays but it's worthwhile
+>>2559252
+Sand nig gf
+--- 2559337
+Never found a woman who can keep up. They're keepers of the hearth, not outdoorsmen
+--- 2559341
+>>2558419
+preciate yew
+--- 2559364
+>>2559165
+hi again mr japanese-sword-i'll-be-vague-with-the-name how have u been?
+--- 2559366
+>>2558159 (OP)
+No I don't know how to talk to those
+--- 2559368
+>>2558974
+This
+
+Her body my choice
+--- 2559405
+>>2559364
+Decent desu 
+Haven't shot up any tescos yet
+--- 2559408
+>>2558178
+Beta fags piss me off more than roasties.
+--- 2559416
+>>2559230
+>be me riding the river trail, see a qt walking her bike
+>pull over, Hey looks like you have a flat
+>teehee yeah but I'll just walk it home
+>Nah, let me sort that out
+>fix flat, ride along and start BSing
+>Hey, where's your turn?
+>lolz we passed it a few miles back
+>sheeeeit, wanna ride again?
+Wink wink
+>Next Saturday we ride up to Folsom lake, I'm wondering if she's going to give it up
+>Didnt bring a swimsuit teehee, jumps in wearing a white sports bra
+>watch her walk back with nerbs fully shining through
+Boinked.png
+She turned out to be a waste of time too, but I'll not soon forget those titties
+--- 2559417
+>>2559320
+very based
+--- 2559471
+>>2558210
+Based. OP is probably one of the prettiest places I've hiked around. You get into the ancient old Hoh rainforest and it's really a spiritual experience anon. If you've never been though prepare for rain. The OP gets like 200" a year.
+--- 2559472
+>>2559341
+Man I would cut my balls off to just like the port o john seat she uses after a day in August when all she's had to eat is taco bell
+--- 2559604
+>>2558159 (OP)
+Take a girl /out/? What are you? Fucking gay?
+--- 2559669
+>>2558159 (OP)
+>Tinder match
+>Hiking tag
+>We go hiking innawoods
+>She's wearing Doc Martens and leggings
+>She's slow as fuck
+>Steps into a 2 foot puddle 20 minutes in because she can't judge the depth
+>Complains about being cold the whole way
+
+I brought extra socks just for her since I knew there'd be problems.
+--- 2559676
+>>2559669
+>brings extra socks
+you must get all the ladies damn
+--- 2559678
+>>2559604
+>likes girls
+>is gay
+>???
+--- 2559772
+>>2558205
+>>2558211
+Christianity is so fucking gay, holy shit
+--- 2559846
+Yes I took a girl i was dating out to my fishing pond late night. One thing happened than another and talking looking at stars, than her hands are down my pants. Did the sucky sucky and than the session was loud, surprised no one heard. Walked back to car and driver her home. She was just a friend with benefits, I still miss her but damn don't get pregnant from someone while dating someone else. Dumb whore she was, all you had to say was you wanna suck my nob and she'd get to it.
+--- 2559855
+>>2558878
+Undiagnosed Autism/homosexuality probably
+--- 2559937
+>>2558210
+what's part of the olympics are you planning on? I'm heading up to to the Low Divide area again this year
+--- 2559941
+>>2559676
+you know it
+--- 2560070
+>>2558205
+this but unironically
+all of my married friends, at best, look forward to their annual birthday handjob
+--- 2560197
+>>2560070
+They married the wrong woman then. Plenty of marriages feature at least semi-regular sexy time.
+--- 2560456
+>>2558211
+>Sex ends after marriage
+imagine unironically believing this
+--- 2560459
+>>2560456
+it's true tho
+--- 2560486
+>>2560459
+for you maybe lol
+--- 2560494
+>>2558159 (OP)
+I asked one for hike to local castle ruin, she said she has bad knees.
+--- 2560496
+>>2559669
+I would salute you but there are snipers everywhere.
+--- 2560584
+>>2558850
+And you're a faggot, your specific reason for asking is because you're a faggot
+--- 2560586
+>>2558853
+You missed the joke retard.
+--- 2560801
+https://youtu.be/YZsMz7uwbR0 [Embed]
+She seems a little retarded, just how I like ‘em
+--- 2560802
+>>2558159 (OP)
+im in a few hiking groups, and i just gotta say, women are waaay better at distance hiking, but borderline useless at actual camping
+--- 2560809
+Went hiking with a girl a few times. It's great, I'm fat but she's small and likes to pick flowers so we go slow. My male friends just walk too fast, I can keep up but it's not enjoyable.
+--- 2560810
+>>2560802
+My girlfriend is pretty good with cooking, setting up the tent and cleaning dishes. Sounds like you're going camping with low quality city girls.
+--- 2560862
+>>2558159 (OP)
+yes and her family is still searching for her 
+>mfw
+--- 2560864
+>>2560802
+>women are good at aimlessly walking from A to B, and suck at something that requires thinking in addition to work
+Whodathunkit
+--- 2560875
+>>2560864
+>camping requires a lot of thinking
+Yes, if your IQ is < 80
+--- 2560990
+>>2560875
+Who said anything about a lot?
+--- 2561000
+>>2560990
+Camping doesn't require any more thinking than hiking does. For camping, you need to select an optimal site and for hiking, you need to plan your route and have the navigation skills to get back on course if you lose your way. Camping involves condensation management and staying warm/dry. So does hiking. Setting up and taking down a tent isn't rocket science, as millions of casuals do it every year. Same with preventing critters from getting at your food. Minimal thinking involved there.
+--- 2561690
+>>2559772
+the bible literally says that married people should have sex whenever they want. Example. If I want to have sex with my wife when she's not in the mood, she should have sex with me anyway. 
+
+But you don't actually care to understand what the bible says, you'd rather just worship satan.
+--- 2561844
+>>2561000
+>trips of womanhood
+Women use hiking trails. Show me a woman who hikes off-trail using a route she mapped out beforehand and I'll show you an outlier.
+--- 2563270
+>>2559472
+>t.
+--- 2563285
+It’s our favorite thing to do. We banged on the top of the north fork, it was nice and now I want to conceive my first child up there
+--- 2563289
+>>2560810
+Mine too. She gets right to cooking throwing up the tent etc as I start getting a fire going / wood gathering
+--- 2563298
+>>2563285
+You're not from Ohio, are you? I may have run into you before.
+--- 2563310
+>>2563298
+Nope but close, Western PA
+--- 2565617
+>>2563285
+How did you get over that trail pussy smell?
+--- 2566051
+>>2558860
+ 
+Took sister on our usual Dad/Son hunting mission. Got nearly to where we wanted to go and she freaked tf out at the last obstacle. tbf it was a pretty gnarly slip and I was pretty happy not to fry cross it but the thing is because it freaked her out she didn't want to go down the way she came up which had visual exposure to the obstacle but was otherwise safe. She wanted to go directly down the steep slippery tussock slope that would have been extremely dangerous and she would certainly fall in the current state she was in. Took a stern talking to convince her not to walk down the slippery shit that was way more dangerous than the perceived visual danger. This was right after she just froze and stopped moving at all for like 5 mins until I realized she was freaking tf out. Hard work man, then she was smug for the rest of the day because of her decision not to do the dangerous thing and stop us from reaching the cool place, lmao.
+--- 2566634
+>>2566051
+Off topic but that reminds me of taking my roomate up Shasta, he had never worn crampons or held an ice axe. The route was steep but conditions were good, but pretty soon after we traversed a snowfield I noticed him getting wide eyed. Then he started really bugging out. 
+I had to give him the stern talk, got him to keep moving into a small boulder patch where he promptly laid down and fell dead asleep. I laughed, what else could I do. Let him sleep for an hour and he woke up collected, so we retreated. 
+Summit fail but we got to hang out on a volcano so no big deal.
+--- 2566664
+white dudes who don’t have enough friends and expect their wives to be masculinized and share hobbies with them don’t make sense to me
+you must be lonely fellas
+--- 2566698
+>>2566664
+shut up, boy. it's not wanting a girl to align with you entirely, but wanting to share adventures together. /out/ is not only for men. you wouldn't get it... you fucking grotesque abomination
+--- 2566700
+>>2566664
+>brownoid
+Opinion discarded
+--- 2566701
+>>2565617
+Don't be a pussy and deal with it.
+--- 2566711
+>>2561690
+Bible-based anon. kek and correct
+--- 2566722
+>>2558161
+Based I've been lovebombing a girl I madeout with cause she posts her drawings on the internet and they look too much like mine so I can read them easily
+I can't wait to get to charcoal runes so soon..
+--- 2566784
+>>2561690
+Why do you follow what the Bible says and not the Quran, Talmud or some other bullshit? Hint: it's because your parents told you to, and literally no other reason.
+--- 2566808
+>>2566701
+bruh you know it reeks
+--- 2566817
+>>2566698
+>wanting to share adventures together
+how the fuck do you hit post on something like this and not die of embarrassment
+--- 2568198
+bump
+--- 2568201
+>>2568198
+Why did the tranny jannies delete all the pictures like this? It's an ancient /out/ meme.
+--- 2568202
+>>2568201
+i didn't even realize. hope i don't get banned just for that
+But I'm not sure. The /out/ janny has a quick trigger finger on the ban which is good for some things (obliterating frogs) but otherwise can be pretty random and autistic
+>inb4 this post gets deleted and i get a global ban for "criticizing moderation staff"
+--- 2568207
+>>2566808
+Bruh, you just gotta mentally associate that reek with getting your dick wet. Gives me a Pavlovian boner every time.
+--- 2568212
+>>2568207
+Bruh
+--- 2568214
+>>2568212
+BRUH.
+--- 2568311
+>>2566634
+
+Yeah man, I wonder how many people getting lost and dead in the wilderness are just people freaking out and short circuiting.
+--- 2568312
+>>2568207
+Damn. I don't even know how to respond to this. It's just filthy.
+--- 2568313
+>>2568207
+brrruh are you me? lost my V hiking, and ever since... duuude i im just hardwire for that frfr no cap sheeesh
+--- 2568315
+>>2568313
+that stank nasty, it make me soft no cap
+--- 2568329
+I'm thinking of getting one of these badboys and becoming a druid of my flat ass marshy land.
+--- 2568330
+>>2568329
+kek, wrong thread.
+--- 2568476
+>>2568315
+Bruh that's nothing. Childbirth smells exactly like field dressing a deer.
+--- 2568516
+>>2558159 (OP)
+It has always ended in rape, so I don't do it anymore. It was too much raping and not enough hiking.

out/2558770.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,97 @@
+-----
+--- 2558770
+Why do you go out, /out/?
+--- 2558782
+to hike and sketch the back of my thumb.
+--- 2558786
+its pretty and quiet compared to the car-ridden urban jungle
+--- 2558810
+to sniff stinky sweaty girls
+--- 2558826
+>>2558816
+Pretty much this, I lived in Vegas for 6 years and had enough. Married my gf and moved to an /out/ location next to a small town. Everyone is so nice to each other and things are so peaceful here, I see deer on my property almost daily I'm looking at cows in a field off in the distance right now, it's amazing how good life can be without niggers.
+--- 2558842
+>>2558770 (OP)
+Because I enjoy it. Every time I post this, it makes /out/ seethe uncontrollably. So I'm going to keep posting it. 
+
+>>2558816
+Me too, anon. Me too.
+--- 2558966
+>>2558816
+I hate the subhumans too anon. Sometimes you just have to get away from the products of capitalism.
+--- 2559006
+>>2558770 (OP)
+I just enjoyed nature there’s a weird serenity that I feel when I’m in nature. That I don’t feel in the city. I feel like actually belong there.
+--- 2559805
+>>2558770 (OP)
+because /in/ sucks
+--- 2559900
+>>2558770 (OP)
+To shred the mountain
+--- 2560400
+Cause I find people, even the morally decent who align with my tism well exhausting. And most people have willingly gone monkey brain anymore. Holy crap just shut up about what you fuck and who you drink and let me do my job!
+
+Also animals are cute innawoods
+--- 2560415
+>>2559006
+It's almost like we didn't evolve in cities or something
+--- 2560527
+Because I don't need to be intoxicated or stoned to tolerate life in the outdoors like I do in society
+--- 2562034
+>>2558770 (OP)
+It's fun
+--- 2562037
+>>2558770 (OP)
+Mainly to get away from other people for a while.
+--- 2562509
+while it's sometimes difficult to get off your ass and get /out/, when you do, you never regret it and crave to get /out/ more often... so let's all fuck off now
+--- 2562573
+>>2558770 (OP)
+adrenaline addiction
+--- 2562577
+Because I already live and work /out/ so it's no hassle. Driving back into civilization is a pain in the arse that I still try and do every couple of years to get Culturally Enriched and catch up with old friends, but it turns out to be a miserable experience every time because of the noise and the squalor and interactions with junkies or feral kids that try to steal or wreck my shit. I stayed /out/ because I like having a small cottage on an acre of land with all the doors and windows open for less than half the price of a fortified shoebox in Little Somalia. I'll gladly fist cows and do physical labour if it means living ~300kms from the nearest pawn shop and welfare office where people have to work for a living or die
+--- 2562791
+>>2558770 (OP)
+i don't really know i started with hiking with my dog and it completely spiraled out of control into full on alpinism and now i think i'm just curious to see how far i can push my luck
+--- 2562855
+>>2558770 (OP)
+to get to your mom's house
+--- 2562859
+>>2562855
+I'm sorry, the road to OP's mom's house has far too much traffic to be considered /out/.
+--- 2562884
+Need another season of cute girls go fishing so bad you don't even know bros
+--- 2565437
+>>2558770 (OP)
+For our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
+--- 2565460
+>>2558770 (OP)
+>Why do you go out
+Why, what's wrong with going out?
+--- 2566307
+The peace and quiet. Sitting around a fire at night during fall or winter is something that'll never get old
+--- 2566991
+>>2558786
+>t. drives his car to wherever /out/ is
+--- 2567017
+>>2566991
+Unironically this is why I hate jeep fags. 
+
+I heard a guy once say, “son, let’s go climb that mountain” to his little boy and off they drove on a dirt road in a jeep. 
+
+I only backpack and don’t get steeper than scrambling and that shit is super cringey
+--- 2567019
+>>2565460
+Well it's not really a socially acceptable thing, is it?
+--- 2567058
+>>2566991
+Should he be walking?
+--- 2567059
+>>2567058
+Yes? You aren't /out/ when you're /in/side a vehicle. Is RV camping in a KOA /out/ too now?
+--- 2567104
+>>2567059
+Not everyone lives a block away from a national park, anon. I drive to the woods so I can make the most efficient use of my free time.
+--- 2567110
+>>2559900
+Checked. I'm so sad the lifts are closed, I'm really contemplating buying a splitboard.

out/2559072.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,153 @@
+-----
+--- 2559072
+Someone says "Fish"
+Post what first comes to your mind
+>bigmouth bass
+--- 2559084
+>>2559072 (OP)
+There's a fishing general thread, bub. Take your bass over there.
+--- 2559091
+>>2559084
+Generals are for Q&A. This is intended to be a game
+--- 2559093
+>>2559072 (OP)
+Oh, in that case, largemouth bass.
+--- 2559114
+>freshwater 
+Pike
+>ocean
+Mackerel
+--- 2559146
+>>2559072 (OP)
+>grandpa's boat
+--- 2559196
+>>2559072 (OP)
+>FISH
+...y vagina
+Don't ask why......
+--- 2559207
+>>2559114
+Mackerel hive mind
+--- 2559211
+>>2559196
+my mom wants you to come over to pick up your yugioh cards. says you been ignoring calls and texts.
+--- 2559213
+>>2559072 (OP)
+--- 2559215
+>>2559207
+Herring and anchovies are also up there
+--- 2559240
+>>2559146
+Good answer
+--- 2559241
+>>2559072 (OP)
+greetings from /ck/
+--- 2559243
+The fish boomerang guy from The Muppets
+--- 2559249
+>>2559240
+I'm so glad my dad kept that boat after his dad passed. Hoping it'll take three generations of our family fishing together once again this summer.
+--- 2559250
+>>2559249
+unfathomably based
+--- 2559253
+>>2559249
+Sounds great anon
+--- 2559282
+>>2559241
+looks tasty
+--- 2559440
+Catfish, because I just caught my first one of the year
+--- 2559484
+>>2559072 (OP)
+Rainbow Trout or Sculpins
+--- 2559496
+>>2559072 (OP)
+>Someone says "Fish"
+>Post what first comes to your mind
+fish
+--- 2559573
+>>2559484
+Booger lookin mf
+--- 2559631
+>>2559072 (OP)
+Pacu.
+--- 2559688
+>>2559072 (OP)
+the beautiful river trout. Easily the prettiest and best tasting fish where I live. They also inhabit pretty places only, which makes catching them a pleasure.
+--- 2559917
+>>2559084
+I see what you did there
+--- 2559920
+Hello from >>>/g/
+--- 2559958
+>>>/mu/ sends its regards
+--- 2559999
+>>2559072 (OP)
+Mahi
+
+My best fishing memories are going out with my dad and catching these big 5-head motherfuckers.
+--- 2560072
+>>2559072 (OP)
+trout
+--- 2560484
+>freshwater
+black bream
+
+>saltwater
+tailor
+--- 2560485
+Murray Cod.
+--- 2560572
+>>2559072 (OP)
+Trout, or whatever this is called in English. Not me in pic, but we got a similar sized one on a field trip with a biology course
+--- 2561492
+>>2559072 (OP)
+--- 2561500
+>>2559072 (OP)
+
+Rainbow Trout and Kokanee Salmon
+--- 2561596
+Pike and it's not even close.
+--- 2561979
+Salmon
+--- 2561983
+>>2561500
+Hello fellow Sierra Chad.
+--- 2561986
+>>2559072 (OP)
+First thing that comes to mind is how to effectively slaughter and bleed them and that I want more tools in my toolkit for butchering them.
+I want to extract the utmost life-force out of their flesh so I just looked up the ike-jime method.
+The realization that they suffer from poor treatment and suffocation and their flesh has been proven to taste worse by many others in such cases fills me with excitement in learning new ways to kill and butcher them.
+--- 2561993
+>>2561986
+That's an odd hobby
+--- 2561995
+>>2561993
+That's just a minor hobby.
+Since I'm good at butchering stuff everyone started coming to me when they did their fishing and I'm just getting good at fish too now.
+There's only so much the flesh quality can be raised with proper butchering and cutting out pristine filéts, there's ways to kill and bleed them that also improves the quality even more so I had to start fishing too so I can kill them myself.
+--- 2562078
+>>2561500
+>im a patagonia wearing fag
+--- 2562193
+>>2560572
+That is a monkfish/anglerfish
+--- 2563853
+>>2559072 (OP)
+Rainbow trout
+--- 2564788
+>>2559072 (OP)
+Snapper
+--- 2564802
+>>2559072 (OP)
+--- 2566304
+picrel pikerel
+--- 2566503
+>>2559072 (OP)
+kut asf but should stay in water
+--- 2566528
+>>2559072 (OP)
+bluegill
+--- 2567124
+>no yellow perch

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+-----
+--- 2559231
+>>2559226 (OP)
+
+>picrel
+based and comfy as fuck
+--- 2559233
+>>2559231
+I heard that Columbia's shoes are comfy but aren't durable.
+--- 2559235
+>>2559233
+I've had them for maybe a month, so I couldn't say long term. But they seem pretty hardy to me, no problems thus far.
+--- 2559255
+>>2559226 (OP)
+depends on what I am doing.
+--- 2559258
+>>2559226 (OP)
+These for everyday stuff, can recommend. Not the best when carrying a lot.
+--- 2559263
+alot of things. do you need a bootguide or what?
+--- 2559287
+>>2559263
+Reccomend a hiking boot for NW Montana summers with moderate autism styling.
+--- 2559291
+Mah timbs
+
+Hunting, hiking, larping, going to work, this guy does it all
+--- 2559295
+Hanwag
+
+10 years, resoled once
+Icelandic winters, Swedish summers... Love this boot.
+--- 2559298
+I want to get minimal/barefoot shoes. Any opinions about vivobarefoot brand?
+--- 2559310
+>>2559287
+By summer I assume you mean hiking season from April to October and Mountains from June to September.
+Most high quality boots sold in the US have goretex inside. That's not something you want for summer hiking, not even in Montana.
+Try to find one with full leather inside and out for the summer. Your feet will be drier and won't stink. With goretex inside you have to change socks 3 times a day in summer, and you'll have fungal infections within a few weeks of hiking. I wouldn't recommend a mix of fabric/leather on the outside of the boot for Montana weather either because it'll just wet through much quicker than full leather.
+
+This is actually a nice boot for summer >>2559295
+https://www.hanwag.com/us/en-us/men/trekking/tatra-ii
+if you get the leather version.
+A (girl)friend of mine wore this boot for more than an entire year straight backpacking the world. Unfortunately it doesn't fit me otherwise I would have loved it too. The stiffness of this boot is at the upper end of normal (mountain) hiking boots but not too stiff or not as stiff as hunting/autumn boots. It also breaks in nicely and gets more flexible.
+
+If you like more stiffness and a more solid feel this is a boot you can also use in autumn in the mountains when there's already snow and in the field when its very wet, and during mild winters:
+https://www.hanwag.com/us/en-us/men/trekking/yukon-wide
+as well as in the summer because it doesn't have goretex. Its just a little overkill maybe on regular touristy hiking trails. I had the Hanwag Alaska for a long time - great boot for cooler wet weather - which is basically the same just with goretex.
+--- 2559317
+>>2559310
+Thank (you) anon.
+--- 2559327
+>>2559298
+Not very durable. Do you want to get a fancy shoe for river crossings?
+--- 2559335
+Army boots
+--- 2559336
+>>2559226 (OP)
+Mid-height sprayway boots from Decathlon. It's not exactly rough terrain around here, and they work great for rain-slicked streets too.
+--- 2559343
+Barefoot when temperature is nice outiside. Takes about 2 weeks or so after winter to build up calluses agian and then you're good to go.
+--- 2559357
+>>2559346
+Suomibro?
+--- 2559360
+>>2559226 (OP)
+crocs. i stopped wearing anything else
+--- 2559367
+>>2559360
+Based
+--- 2559371
+>>2559226 (OP)
+My fucked up rat boots
+--- 2559372
+Not my collection but if you don't have a boot like this you're ngmi.
+--- 2559377
+>>2559357
+veljeni
+hyvät kengät on
+--- 2559383
+Merrill Moabs, usually the high top version.
+--- 2560346
+>>2559231
+>>2559233
+I have them for 2 years. I wear them everyday, and yes, they are comfy.
+--- 2560354
+>>2559298
+I've ground the outsole on my geo racers completely flat and they are still going strong.
+I think it's a quality shoe, through I've heard their customer service is a bit shit outside of europe.
+--- 2560356
+>>2559263
+Ive seen this youtube video
+--- 2560361
+>>2559226 (OP)
+--- 2560449
+Terraventure 3's.
+--- 2560450
+>>2560449
+--- 2561028
+>>2559226 (OP)
+Basic bitch army infantry boots. I wear them to work (construction) and wear them on the trail. They've got a lot of time on them and arent showing any signs of falling apart anytime soon.
+--- 2561248
+If I take out the rigid plastic """arch support""" insoles from pic related because they fuck up the tendons in the arches of my feet, and replace them with softer insoles from old New Balance 680s, is it going to have any consequences other than comfier feet and avoiding tendinopathy?
+--- 2561429
+Currently using the Altberg tabbing mk3's, had them for a week ish. Very big fan so far, the new sole/form is a bit to get used to, I find myself heel striking a lot more with these, but overall its everything I wanted:
+>tall
+>light
+>leather
+>brown
+>complete connection with tongue
+>non Gore-tex/membrane
+>good fit/great sole.
+--- 2561488
+Merrell Moabs are my go-to. I sometimes wear Oboz, Nord Trail mids, and some old LL Bean elkskins for snow and mud. 
+
+The Nord Trail Mt Washingtons are pretty damn nice for $50.
+--- 2561507
+I've been using a pair of Irish Setter 867 Trailblazers for the past decade. Was my first pair of good boots, really like them and they stood up to a lot. 
+
+Been looking recently at getting a pair of Altberg Tethera boots, pic related. Anyone had any experience with them?
+--- 2561544
+Merrels but as soon as these give our im getting a nice pair of danners
+--- 2561577
+Is Timberland a decent brand?
+--- 2561862
+Youcan sometimes get them check from military surplus in Germany. Pretty stiff, able to take clip crampons
+--- 2561870
+>>2559258
+>>2561862
+Meindl are amazing. I wonder why they're not popular outside of Europe.
+--- 2562486
+Does anyone know what shoes are these?
+--- 2562608
+>>2559226 (OP)
+
+Picrel is Mil-tec 5 inchers. Yeah, i know theyre made in china but they really last and are comfy as fuck. Just got my second pair in 3 years.
+--- 2562645
+>>2562608
+>Mil-tec 5 inch
+> they really last
+How many miles do you have on them?
+No membrane?
+I'm looking for weekender summer boot like this.
+--- 2562665
+>>2559226 (OP)
+La Sportiva Pyramid GTX
+--- 2562745
+>>2562486
+Those look like Merrell moab 2 low to me.
+--- 2562786
+>>2562745
+hahaha
+what a faggot
+--- 2562798
+>>2562786
+bot reply
+--- 2562815
+>>2559287
+Like other anon said, you want your feet to breathe. I have lived and hiked in NW MT. Summers get VERY dry and can be quite hot even in Glacier National Park. There is not much humidity and rainfalls can be few and far between. Bring bear spray.
+--- 2562883
+>>2562645
+
+Well i was wearing them on hikes(probably 50-70 hikes approx. 15-20km each), daily to work for 2 years and using them as work boots during tire flip seasons(for 2 seasons). They were pretty much all i wore because of how comfortable they were. In the end they got pretty scuffed and when i got them soaking wet the sides ripped open so i had to order new ones. I've tried the same type and twice as expensive from Icepeak, but they had issues after the second month already(seams tore, glued front opened from expansion in the snow etc.) so i went back to these.
+--- 2562899
+I just ordered some Keen Targhee 2 mids. I’m coming from a pair of BTFO Ozark Trails. Doesn’t seem like many /out/laws wear Keen. Did I screw up?
+--- 2563079
+Friendly reminder that if you're buying $$$ fabric boots for /out/ instead of full leather outer, you're getting scammed.
+2-5 year durability cycles are NOT normal.
+--- 2563083
+>>2563079
+its a non issue now that hiking boots use 500 mile lifespan eva midsoles and 1000-2000 mile lifespan pu midsoles. if you're fucking the uppers up on hiking boots before the midsole's shot you're fucking up. 
+>2-5 year durability cycles are NOT normal.
+yeah it is. old school leather midsoled hiking and logging boots last about the same amount of time before needing a resole as rubber/foam midsole boots last. the only difference is you re-used the upper a few times before also discarding it with old boots, while with modern boots the entire boot gets replaced. 
+the idea boots are not consumable can only come from one of two places:
+- rpg dungeons and diablos dice rolling fantasy elf games
+- you fell for all that lumbersexual mens americana revival fashion marketing back in 2015 and still haven't realized it
+footwear has always been a consumable especially to travelers of long distances. if you've ever felt like its not its because you don't walk enough.
+--- 2563086
+>>2562645
+keen & merell sell boots similar to that if you want something to compare to
+get a PU sole if you want lifespan, it comes at the cost of comfort
+--- 2563087
+>>2561577
+--- 2563089
+>>2559287
+merell moab ventilators, deal with them being cheap and disposable they're the best hot weather boot.
+really consider just getting a shoe or runner for summers. gaiters exist.
+--- 2563122
+>>2562883
+I will try them on.
+
+>>2563086
+Keens all have waterproof membranes. What about Merrell's? Its say "waterproof" on all boots but few mention membranes ... What's the deal here?
+I want to avoid boots with waterproof membranes.
+
+Boot will be used largely in summer for casual hiking, section hiking long distance trails, forest, daily all-day wear in hot weather.
+--- 2563128
+>>2563089
+>merell moab ventilators
+boot? how on earth do you justify calling that a boot?
+--- 2563131
+>>2563128
+the mid not the low there's two versions.
+they're technically a mid but just about every modern hiking boot doesn't go up high enough to offer any more ankle support than it anyways.
+--- 2563138
+>>2563122
+most boots have membranes because 99.95% of people wear runners, shoes, or moab ventilator mids at most when its hot out. boots and the kind of weather that's for are kind of counter intuitive with one another.
+i'm not saying don't do it or anything, just explaining why most boots only come with a membrane.
+are you trying to find a WATERPROOF boot with no membrane? that's a lot harder.
+if not, just buy a non waterproof ventilated boot. salomon, merell etc. get a pair of goretex socks with them to extend their usage. done and done. 
+>What about Merrell's? Its say "waterproof" on all boots but few mention membranes 
+they sell all their boots with or without the membrane
+--- 2563141
+>>2561028
+Based and Masochist-pilled. I have some of the old sand coloreds as bug-out storage. I made the mistake of using two pairs at work in a machine shop, they've lasted 3 years but the rubber soles are starting to give under all that chemical juicyness. And metal shavings galore. Not gonna feel too bad when they finally die, no more army crap for me. For hiking I have a nice pair of moabs but like this anon>>2563131 is saying it's only a mid.
+--- 2563149
+>>2563131
+I see. Still I'd just use my trailrunners or regular cheap running shoes instead of something like this.
+
+>Boot will be used largely in summer for casual hiking, section hiking long distance trails, forest, daily all-day wear in hot weather.
+I want to replace my Quest 4Ds. I'm looking for something like the Salmon Quest 4D without the membrane and a healthier flatter (flatter feeling) insole/midsole. Quest 4D gave me issues with my upper tendons and the joints of my toes. It would also be great to have a non-slipping outsole.
+
+Quest 4D Pros:
+- Boot height is perfect (I don't need the ankle support, just the height)
+- Runnable
+- Weight is just right
+- Keeps dirt, sticks, and water out to an acceptable degree for a 2-season boot.
+
+Quest 4D Cons:
+- Sweat and Stink. Becomes unusable after 5 days of hiking and bivouacing in summer. Feet constantly wet from sweat. Change socks 3 to 5 times a day. Fungal smell etc.
+- Midsole isn't flat enough for a healthy fit. There are bumps on the midsole/insole you can feel inside the boot. If I ever want an orthopedic fit I'll do it myself with a custom insole.
+- Issues with upper foot tendons and toe joints 
+- Sole is slipping on wet ground
+- Too expensive
+--- 2563159
+>>2563138
+I think its just marketing, reddit philosophy, and fashion.
+
+I only accept goretex boots in autumn/winter: November to March. 
+From April-October I'm using full leather boots or cheap running shoes. I'm looking for something in-between without membrane.
+
+>are you trying to find a WATERPROOF boot with no membrane? that's a lot harder.
+No, I already have full leather boots. I just want something smaller looking, more casual for hiking in more civilized areas and trails. "waterproof" does not matter.
+--- 2563301
+>>2563159
+really just sounds like you want something like moab vents thats pretty much what they are.
+--- 2563325
+>>2563301
+They sound and look good, but they are not high enough. I need the height for protection against vegetation.
+My extended weekend hikes switch from touristy hiking trails to off-trail woodlands with undergrowth alot. Up until now I've just been using my regular gtx mountain boots but its getting too hot and the tourists are coming. I don't want to look too out of place with the reddit people.
+--- 2563357
+>>2559226 (OP)
+Decided to try pic related last year instead of my leather hiking boots. Never going back.
+--- 2563373
+>>2563301
+>>2563325
+Something like pic rel is better vs vegetation.
+--- 2563419
+Can I use cheap asics on multiday trails this summer? I carry about 30 pounds and its mostly forest trails, agriculture roads, some paved roads.
+What would be the downsides?
+--- 2563437
+>>2563325
+>I need the height for protection against vegetation.
+you're creating a problem that doesn't exist again, that's why nobody makes a boot for you
+google image search 'hiking gaiters'
+as i said earlier there's no real functional difference between the mid height and the low cut of modern hiking boots like the example you posted. neither one supports or protects your ankle, both designs are too low cut to offer any profection. the mid cut is more gaiter compatible and my current hiking boots are the exact same shape as these >>2563373 and still require gaiters to keep vegitation out. the only tangible benefit from the inch of height is slightly better load bearing with heavy packs on hills. if you want an aesthetic or look that's fine but you're just going to make your life harder. 
+but yeah if mid ventilators don't do it for you just look at salomon's non membrane boots. they have the cut you want.
+--- 2563443
+>>2563437
+Its not about keeping vegetation out. I use my pants for that. Its about not scuffing my ankles on dead wood, logs, branches, brambles, maybe rocks sometimes.
+I usually wear high leather boots for that but found the height of the salmon quest 4d is perfect to protect the ankle off trail.
+
+Which Salmon boot are you talking about? They all have goretex afaik.
+--- 2563497
+>>2563083
+You killed him Gilbert
+--- 2563510
+Thoughts? They're like halfway between a trail runner and a boot
+
+Like £55, seems cheap.
+--- 2563513
+>>2563510
+Does it fit?
+And
+Why this "boot"?
+Also
+Goretex
+--- 2563525
+>>2563357
+>dyslexic Norteno creeps up on you in the woods
+Aye holmes, your zapatos say u a scrapa, ese
+--- 2563569
+>>2559226 (OP)
+This 
+
+I don't believe in those boots desu, its a psyop for you to make sheckels for ""them"" 
+
+I like to be in my confy shoes all the time no matter what and actualy feel where I am steping in 
+
+in my experience those boots are awfull for balance and your ankles
+--- 2563597
+>>2563083
+Replacing the sole is cheaper than replacing the whole boot
+Fabric memetex boots are also more likely to fail on you early.
+The whole scheme is a joke designed to sell you 300 dollar shoes like hotpockets
+--- 2563604
+I got these milsurp boots from my uncle when he left the national gaurd and I've been using them ever since. Pic was taken 3 years ago, the bottoms have barely started to rub off and they're still holding up
+--- 2563619
+>>2559226 (OP)
+--- 2563765
+WHITIN Minimalist Trail Runner; I can never return to normal shoes after using them for a while. Any other barefoot shoes I should invest in?
+--- 2563766
+>>2563765
+Forgot to include a picture of the shoes.
+--- 2563778
+>>2563765
+
+Belleville tactical research minimil.
+
+They're so freaking good. I stiffened up and waterproofed the side walls with shoe goo and have replaced the shit insole with a decent hard foam orthotic. Have hammered mine on multiple week long hunting trips, awesome and feels safe in gnarly shit. I also carry 2x ankle braces for If I'm tired out or have to go into real bad terrain but I don't really have to use em.
+--- 2563859
+>>2563765
+this shit sound waaaay better than those boots 
+
+Idk why boots became so popular ngl, never liked them, they're cluncky af
+--- 2564012
+Belleville master race
+--- 2564014
+>>2563778
+My nigger knows
+--- 2564053
+>>2559226 (OP)
+I usually stick with water proof pilot boots from the US army they keep my ankles nice and tight. Only issue is they're a bit heavy but i like them easy to take care of and easy to move in even though they're a bit heavy.
+--- 2564190
+I got a pair of 6 in Red Wing King Toe boots, and they are simply the best modern boot. I got them with a soft toe, which I recommend getting, unless you really need the protection. I might get a pair of all leather boots in the future, but I'm completely satisfied with these. Red Wing also does free, lifetime (your lifetime) cleaning and conditioning and resoles. You can get them cleaned and conditioned as much as you want.
+For those who have bought 100% leather boots, do you recommend Red Wings, or should I order online from some boutique manufacturer? I'm kind of hesitant because I just send them my size, and they send me the boots; I don't get to try them on.
+--- 2564197
+>>2564190
+>boutique 
+Um sweetie. They're called boot salesmen
+--- 2564260
+>>2564197
+No. I am not talking about who you buy boots from. I'm talking about a particular segment of a market. Boutique is a term used to refer to businesses that deal with discerning customers who have a willingness to pay higher prices for a better quality product and often times a more personalized experience. In the world of finance, for instance, a boutique asset management firm will feature quality advisors, a separately managed account, the option to pick your investments (including ethical investing), and high levels of customer access. In boots, boutique means the option to choose chrome tanned vs. veg tanned leather, species, color, tread, speed hooks vs. eyelets, etc.
+Now, do you get it, sweetie?
+--- 2564266
+Can someone explain to this retard why hiking boots have so much padding in them? They all look like skate shoes from the 2000s.
+--- 2564268
+>>2564266
+To prevent your feet from hurting
+--- 2564281
+>>2564260
+>autism completely misses the joke
+Boutique sounds like boot. Try not to overthing it
+--- 2564304
+Those are for summer.
+--- 2564309
+Those are for autumn and winter.
+--- 2564319
+>>2564190
+>Red Wing also does free, lifetime (your lifetime) cleaning and conditioning and resoles
+No they don't. You pay for resoles.
+--- 2564320
+And I have a pair of those for easy summer hiking and mountain trails up to T4.
+--- 2564461
+How do you tell the right size for hiking shoes? How much space should there be at the front of the shoe?
+
+It always says 1 finger width, but that's not easy to determine from outside the shoe.
+--- 2564494
+>>2564461
+Experience is the only way you can tell. Ask someone to help you in person and hope for the best.
+--- 2564514
+I got a pair of heavy boots for bulldozing through the shit, now I need a pair of light/lighter shoes/boots for summer and easy trails. should I fuck with pic related or just get a trail runner?
+--- 2564523
+>>2564514
+personal preference, but where you live and the climate affect the balance of that decision. namely runners would be favored if you live in a high rainfall area. 
+i'm not a fan of minimalistic boots because they make a lot of them without a midsole and with zero drop (eww) but oboz are one of the good ones.
+--- 2564525
+>>2564523
+it's usually droughty here so I was leaning towards runners for the lighter weight and breathability. think some light boots would be better?
+--- 2565467
+I'm looking for a pair of boots that is good for the pnw, I want something pretty durable and with good support for when I'm carrying a decent amount of gear. I had considered going with nicks or whites or one of the other pnw legacy brands but they seem to mostly have absurdly large heel drops. I'm not looking for much in the way of insulation, as in the colder months I plan to wear thicker/warmer socks, and I plan to get a separate pair of boots for the actual winter unless I find that I'm comfortable with the warmer socks in my main boot. 
+
+The #1 feature I've grown to hate on boots is hooks for lacing. I would really appreciate finding a pair that doesn't have them, as I've had multiple times in various jobs and while out camping where they've gotten bent or fucked up in some sort of way and as you bend them back they just get shittier and weaker.
+--- 2565619
+>>2565467
+What's wrong with normal hiking boots?
+Hard to tell what you want. Just get a hunting boot from crispy, hanwag, lowa, etc. if you want an allrounder that can do pretty much anything.
+
+Any cobbler can replace hooks for <$10.
+--- 2565651
+I've been wearing these 6" Kodiak McKinney for about 3 years, a lot of my activities involve mud so I opted for a waterproof option. The bottom is starting to wear though.
+--- 2565666
+>>2559226 (OP)
+lowa. worked when i was in country. works on the trail in snow or rain. simple as.
+--- 2565669
+>>2559226 (OP)
+the sarma alpina recon, they chew my feet up but im not done breaking them in
+--- 2565794
+When do shoes usually go on sale? 
+need new shoes for both work and hike
+
+My sketchers are stating to fall apart slowly
+--- 2565797
+>>2565619
+I do like some of the lowa offerings, I just wish that gore tex wasn't such a huge part of the lineup. Hanwag only has hooks from what I see so they're out, same with crispi. 
+
+Yeah a cobbler can replace hooks I suppose I could just bring them to a cobbler to have them replaced with loops before I use them, frankly just seems like a waste.
+
+I don't love gore Tex because it never works as well as I'd hope and just holds moisture in my boot, but it kinda looks like I'll just have to accept that it's gonna be a feature that's on any boot I get.
+--- 2565810
+>>2559226 (OP)
+I just wear whatever boot I've been wearing to work at that point. I figure its better to have a known comfortable broken in work boot that's a bit heavier, than save a few pounds and open up the possibility of hot spots or blisters and discomfort. Just ordered a new pair of work boots from a local boutique shop (JK Boots) so we'll see how those guys do hiking when they finish making them.
+--- 2565848
+>>2565797
+Not sure what's available in the US but in Europe you can get leather-lined boots from all these companies.
+--- 2565905
+>>2559226 (OP)
+those exact kathmandu boots, and they're great. only thing is the sole inserts it comes with are absolute dogshit. replaced them with some good work boot soles, and they're perfect.
+--- 2565929
+>>2565848
+They mostly seem to all have leather and gore Tex. I will probably either settle or talk to a local/custom brand about what I want but I'm not much interested in ponying up like $600+ on a pair of boots.
+--- 2566069
+>>2559295
+>10 years, resoled once
+how do you resole something that isn't stitched
+--- 2566074
+>>2559226 (OP)
+What pants are those? They look nice.
+--- 2566085
+>>2562899
+keen is a fine brand
+--- 2566086
+>>2563122
+>2563122
+not sure about merrel or other brands but for columbia --> OUTDRY is the waterproof membrane
+if it says waterproof without the OUTDRY it is just waterproof with no memrane
+--- 2566089
+>>2563419
+if you're carrying a pack, aren't you afraid of rolling your ankle wearing lows like this?
+--- 2566093
+>>2566089
+I'm not overweight.
+I wear boots for their stiffness and ease of walking on terrain, not necessary on trails.
+--- 2566097
+>>2566093
+don't need to be overweight to roll your ankle you dummy
+--- 2566134
+>>2563373
+>>2564320
+I bought lowa boots not long ago from a recommendation on here
+First piece gear I've bought that wasn't the cheapest shit I could find, and god damn they have been so nice. 
+I wear em daily now
+Only thing I've ran into so far, is they aren't super insulating, but I assume a better boot would be suited for the cold
+--- 2566483
+Nicks Overlanders
+best boot plastic lovers BTFO
+--- 2566548
+Lowa Renegade GTX mid, I don't know what the consensus is on those but they served me well enough so far. I'd take recommendations if anons have any to give, I mainly go /out/ on the mountain I live on, sometimes higher than 2000m so above the tree line
+--- 2566576
+>>2566483
+Those are overpriced /fa/ instagram shoes, and not hiking boots you massive dolt.
+--- 2566577
+Hanwag Alaska GTX
+I love those boots to death. To be honest, I wear them wherever I go, which is fucking stupid, but they´re just so fucking comfortable.
+
+Anybody else wear their expensive hiking boots everywhere they go, instead of just /out/?
+--- 2566582
+light boot
+--- 2566587
+>>2566576
+Loser can’t afford them we get it
+--- 2566588
+For daily and weekly hikes I use the most durable boots. Good for training your calfs and tibialis.
+--- 2566599
+>>2566588
+Forgot to link boot porn moving pictures:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtpAA0N2VbE [Embed]
+happy fapping
+--- 2566604
+>>2566587
+Consoomer faggot
+--- 2566662
+>>2559291
+Yah timbos are durable and longlasting generally
+--- 2566665
+I usually do Solomon trail runners. They’re so light and have done well across 4 summers of Rocky Mountain abuse. I’m trying some shit I found on clearance at REI this summer, $80 isn’t too bad if I can get a season or two hiking out of them.
+--- 2566668
+>>2566665
+So close I am a faggot
+--- 2566669
+Summer foorwear
+--- 2566942
+>>2566604
+You probably look like this, faggot.
+--- 2567115
+Anybody have any experience with the Jim Green African Rangers? Been hearing good things about them, and they seem like a good step up from the pair of Timberland hikers I got from Marshall’s a couple years ago.

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+-----
+--- 2559673
+Jump to the 20:00 mark
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5yRyW67MB0 [Embed]
+--- 2559698
+>>2559673 (OP)
+what's especially manly about this? he's hiding in a tree throwing a spear, might as well shoot it with a gun at that point.
+--- 2559703
+>>2559673 (OP)
+I fucking hate these videos. Guys in their mid-life crisis sitting in a tree until they can drop a sharp object on an animal, then strutting around like they're the reincarnation of the first caveman to take a mammoth down with his teeth. Lame shit.
+--- 2559833
+>>2559673 (OP)
+let me guess, you spear it then have to find it and shoot it with a 700express ultramagnum revolver
+--- 2559863
+>>2559698
+It’s a 900lb bear and if he missed and pissed it off it would maul him to death 
+
+>>2559703
+I was impressed. I feel the risk reward was something else
+--- 2559881
+It would be one thing if a dude speared a bear by himself and didn't film it or brag about it. But this cunt filmed it, bragged about it, and is making money by bragging about it on jewtube. Where I'm from that's called a "douche".
+--- 2559887
+>>2559863
+>throw spear at bear
+>it looks up and can't see shit because the dude is hiding like a queer in a tree nest
+>bear probably assumes a stick fell or something and goes back to whatever it was doing, but if spots strange animal in tree it most likely just runs away
+spearing bears like this isn't higher risk reward than shooting it, considering it would likely just run the fuck away from either scenario, the only difference is he can put that he "speared" it and the bear suffers more than a gunshot.
+
+when I someone says they "speared a grizzly bear", the first thing that comes to mind for me is a fucking melee fight, not hiding like a faggot in a treehouse throwing spears at bears distracted by bait
+--- 2560134
+>>2559887
+Lets see your grizzly bear kills 
+
+>>2559881
+the jews own everything, how naive are you, fucking grow up
+--- 2560202
+>>2560134
+Can't tell if you're shitposting or if you're a ((biden voter)). Please post again when you're sober.
+--- 2560348
+>>2559887
+>humans evolve the rarest hunting strategy on the planet
+>you're not allowed to use it because it's not manly according to obese neckbeards on the internet
+--- 2560352
+>>2559673 (OP)
+pussy
+--- 2560358
+>>2560348
+Did he knap a spear point or smelt native copper and hammer it into a spear point? No. Did he climb a tree and stand on a branch, and maybe use a hide rope for a lifeline? No. Now even if he did these things he's still a compleate shithead for posting it on the internet. I respect people who hunt dangerous game in a way that gives the animal a solid chance and isn't done for "like and subscribe".
+--- 2560373
+i'd say it's a little more gutsy to go in the middle of the everglades barefoot and spear a feral hog (can't find the vid it used to be on yt)
+anyways i'd like to try eating grizzly bear, i wonder what their steaks taste like
+--- 2560392
+>>2559673 (OP)
+guy is a complete pussy, could of killed the bear as painlessly as possible but had to use a spear from a treehouse like a 5 year old
+--- 2560526
+>>2559673 (OP)
+Might as well just drop a bomb on it and the bear would have the exact same chance.
+--- 2560697
+>>2560358
+He didn't post it or have a channel. Some other guy did
+
+>>2560392
+>>2560373
+I support any dangerous interaction with animals so that I can watch for my viewing pleasure. Never had anything scary happen to me with an animal, kind of want it to happen. All these animals are fucking pussies I wanna kill a bear with a knife or have a wolf try to eat me or something
+--- 2560700
+>>2560697
+>I support any dangerous interaction with animals so that I can watch for my viewing pleasure. Never had anything scary happen to me with an animal, kind of want it to happen. All these animals are fucking pussies I wanna kill a bear with a knife or have a wolf try to eat me or something
+that's the spirit
+>The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.
+--- 2560741
+>>2559698
+>>2559703
+>>2559881
+>>2560352
+>>2560358
+>>2560392
+you do not hunt
+you eat dinosaur-shaped chicken nuggets from horrific factory farms, and talk about "manhood" and "fairness"
+kill yourself
+--- 2560758
+>>2560741
+been vegan for years, healthier than i was when i ate meat, go /out/ more and feel a better connection to nature when i do. that guy is not a symbol of manhood, he is a pussy, there is no need to hunt like that. that is an incredibly inefficient way to hunt an animal.
+
+imagine being pathetic enough to defend this
+--- 2560778
+>>2560758
+what you think you feel is no concern of ours lol cry more tranny
+--- 2560787
+>>2560758
+>been vegan for years, healthier than i was when i ate meat
+post physique lmao
+--- 2560828
+>>2560778
+keep trying to find that 'essential american soul' one cock at a time fag. since we are quoting d.h. lawrence, here is some good others from your favourite writer:
+
+"I should like to know why nearly every man that approaches greatness tends to homosexuality, whether he admits it or not...."
+
+ "I believe the nearest I've come to perfect love was with a young coal-miner when I was about 16."
+
+go back to /lgbt/
+
+>>2560787
+not posting my average/normal body, this isn't /fit/. i was unhealthy when i ate meat and now i eat healthier, not a far fetched concept at all
+--- 2560843
+>>2560758
+the connection is in your mind gaylord
+think about all the death and destruction your annual grains cause and all the habitats and soil that were ruined to feed your faggot ass
+sanctimonious stupid nigger
+--- 2560854
+>>2559673 (OP)
+Imagine being such a pussy you need a spear to kill a grizzly...
+--- 2561457
+This video is way more impressive, and it's always more informative.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiPmHA7Xqg [Embed]
+--- 2562793
+>>2559673 (OP)
+You're doing it wrong
+--- 2564466
+>>2560758
+Ur dumb
+--- 2564554
+>>2559863
+>>2560741
+lol wut
+he's sitting over a pile of donuts
+--- 2564556
+>>2559673 (OP)
+Fag shit, killing animals for no reason, let them be, destroying nature is dumb af
+--- 2564557
+>>2560828
+kek bullshit tranny confirmed
+--- 2564741
+>>2560854
+--- 2567313
+>>2559673 (OP)
+spears are for people, not bears
+--- 2567347
+Doesn't feel right killing a bear

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+-----
+--- 2559921
+The North Cascades National Park bills itself as the "Alps of America". Do American anons really?
+--- 2559925
+>>2559921 (OP)
+Yes the north cascades are the closest thing to the alps in the lower 48.
+--- 2559929
+>>2559921 (OP)
+I don't know
+What characteristics define the original Alps
+--- 2559931
+pretty unanimously the north cascades, most of the 49th parallel ranges are alp-esque from the pacific to montana.
+--- 2559935
+They're way more rugged than the alps and there is way less civilization and they're much more beautiful so the Alps are actually the Cascades of Europe instead of vice versa.
+--- 2559977
+>>2559935
+But the real Alps are massive in scale compared to the cascades. Mt. Blanc from Lake Geneva is a sight you would expect to see in the Himalayas, but its in the Alps.
+--- 2559995
+>>2559921 (OP)
+Alaska is several orders of magnitude better than the sun total of euroshit land.
+--- 2559996
+I like the Cascades
+--- 2560192
+>>2559925
+Leavenworth is full
+no space left in Washington 
+kindly fuckoff
+--- 2560193
+>>2559929
+the matterhorn
+--- 2560196
+>>2560192
+Sure, just as soon as you go back to California.
+--- 2560209
+>>2559921 (OP)
+What makes an Alp an Alp?
+--- 2560223
+>>2559929
+Rugged peaks covered in glaciers
+--- 2560229
+>>2559929
+Being super steep
+--- 2560233
+>>2560223
+>>2560229
+sounds like the Tetons to me
+--- 2560246
+>>2560233
+Tetons don't have many glaciers left, also a fairly small range.
+--- 2560250
+>>2560196
+you have to be 18 to posy here.
+--- 2560252
+>>2559921 (OP)
+So somebody said something? No way.
+--- 2560254
+>don't have many
+>splitting hairs
+but they do have glaciers, are stuper steep with rugged peaks. seem to fit the definition pretty well.
+--- 2560255
+>>2559921 (OP)
+The Palisades, and the high peaks in the JMT portion of the PCT.
+--- 2560257
+>>2560254
+But the north cascades fit it better
+--- 2560264
+>>2559977
+the cascades have a few mountains like that, rainier, baker, and hood are all massive mountains. mt blanc and rainier are 11th and 21st in the entire world for their prominence respectively.
+--- 2560292
+>>2560192
+Just live in Wenatchee and mine crypto.
+Leavenworth kind of sucks for "living" compared to "visiting" anyway. There are two roads in the entire town that actually go anywhere. One of which is the Chumstick Highway.
+--- 2560357
+>>2559977
+this. Mt. Blanc, at 4,000m is more similar in scale to an 8000m peak than a 4,400m peak in the Cascades
+--- 2560359
+>>2560357
+*sorry 4800m
+--- 2560388
+>>2560264
+Funny how there's no replies from the eurotards on this one
+--- 2560391
+>>2560388
+Mountains? Those are volcanos. Volcanos that might erupt in the next 10-10,000 years. For what its worth they are massive and interesting to look at, but the Alps are larger in scale horizontally, the Mt. Blanc massif is wider and built like a wall compared to the conical shape of a volcano.
+--- 2560394
+>>2559929
+Very deep valleys (some what true in the cascades), prominent stone massifs and peaks (Not really true in the cascades except 1 or 2 mountains) and a "lush" theme to them with lots of snow on the mountains and a vibrant feel to the greenery. Mostly true for both.
+--- 2560399
+>>2560391
+>volcanoes 
+>not mountains
+Retard
+--- 2560401
+>>2559921 (OP)
+If you include all of North America as "America" then I would say the Canadian Rockies near Banff, Alberta
+--- 2560402
+>>2560394
+How about dem Rockies?
+--- 2560404
+>>2560401
+>>2560402
+The Canadian Rockies are superior to the Alps. 
+
+If you include all of North America than the Alps are completely mogged by things like the St Elias range and Alaska range.
+--- 2560410
+>>2560401
+Don't forget Baffin Island.
+--- 2560424
+>>2560357
+What does that even mean?
+>this 4000m peak is actually more like 8000m
+--- 2560432
+>>2560424
+Standard Eurocope
+--- 2560434
+>>2560391
+i measured this, and giving mt blanc a very generous measurement it came out to ~40km in a generally NE direction. Mt Rainier is about 25km wide from all directions conically. A 15km difference in a single direction is obviously much bigger, but Rainier is in general a much more massive piece of rock, with similar glaciation and a much more dangerous environment overall due to the volcanism.
+--- 2560437
+>>2560424
+Vertical prominence. A 1000 meter peak rising directly from sea level, like say an island, has more vertical prominence than a 500 meter peak that rises from land that is elevated even if the latter peak is higher.
+--- 2560462
+>>2560292
+Okanogan is superior But you’ll never move here since rednecks and ndns frighten and confuse you.
+--- 2560470
+>>2560424
+Sarcasm, obviously
+--- 2560471
+>>2560437
+M8 the cascades are near the coast
+--- 2560825
+>>2560471
+>St Elias range
+Still, most of them are 8K to 9K tall if that. Thats a prominence comparable to the Colorado Front Range, not the Alps. I guess what I'm talking about here is "Jut", the overall vertical reel of the stone face. Here's the mountain with the #1 jut worldwide, Annapurna Fang.
+--- 2560877
+Why do people argue about shit that is objectively calculable? Some peaks have more prominence, some peaks have more glaciation, some peaks have harder ascents. Then subjectively you have different preferences on where to live/visit/talk shit. You guys don’t even go outside if you’re arguing about this
+--- 2560878
+>>2560825
+>I guess what I'm talking about here is "Jut"
+Oh god, please don't tell me the "Jut" spammer from Reddit's mountaineering sub has found his way to /out/
+--- 2560912
+>>2560877
+Because human beings like to sort and rank thing. Or maybe I just have autism.
+--- 2561458
+>>2559935
+>so the Alps are actually the Cascades of Europe instead of vice versa.
+you wish
+--- 2561497
+>>2561458
+They are within 2 degrees of each other in longitude, so they get pretty much the same sun and are also somewhat close to the ocean.
+--- 2561728
+>>2560462
+Honestly I moved to Arizona in 2015 and I don't really see myself living anywhere in Washington again because I don't feel like moving again. But living in Leavenworth was kind of a pain in the ass. Less of a pain in the ass than living in Bellevue but still a pain in the ass.
+--- 2561985
+>>2560462
+How's the job market out in Okanogan?
+--- 2562001
+>>2561985
+not him but i have family in methow and once the snow starts to melt the farm jobs start popping up and the fruit warehouse jobs open up
+--- 2562004
+>>2560292
+>mine crypto
+kek 
+it's so cringey I just can't
+--- 2562016
+>live in NJ and will never be a mountaineer
+
+I wish my fucking parents would've moved to colorado. Holy fuck.
+--- 2562017
+>>2562016
+That is not colorado?
+--- 2562031
+>>2562016
+id kick that silly frog so damn hard
+--- 2562035
+>>2562016
+It's overrated. If you've seen one mountainous vista you've seen them all. Backcountry skiing is more worthwhile if you're into type A fun.
+--- 2562036
+>>2562031
+>>2562035
+I just want to run away from my life and climb mountains every day desu
+--- 2562039
+>>2562035
+i was doing that today, nothing gets your heart racing more when a slab is starting to form and you still have a mile downhill to go
+--- 2562041
+>>2562036
+Then just do it. Go be a dirtbag.
+--- 2562052
+>>2562036
+Live with the parents and save up all of your money for a year or two.
+--- 2562088
+A bit dryer and not nearly as broad, but the Wind River Range gives me similar vibes.
+--- 2562133
+>>2559935
+Of course there's that one faggot thinking mountains are a competition.
+--- 2562298
+>>2559921 (OP)
+The Cascades are the Cascades. The Alps are the Alps. Every mountain range has its own individual character and experiences to offer. There is no wrong answer to what your favorite mountain range is as it often comes down to personal experience, your own taste in aesthetics, and familiarity.
+Personally, I found the Alps to be gorgeous, but I prefer the rugged wilderness of the Sierra Nevada myself.
+--- 2562551
+>>2562133
+nice dubs but there are faggots ITT saying volcanos aren't mountains for the sake of their own argument, anon was just making a simple comparison between two similar slopes.
+--- 2562702
+>>2562298
+lol ok fag
+--- 2562735
+>>2559921 (OP)
+Sorry our mountains aren't up to your standards, anon; we'll get to work on making some new ones.
+--- 2563384
+>>2562298
+I've lived on both continents and it just depends on what you want to get out of it. I also prefer the wilderness and lack of infrastructure in north america, the Alps are nice to look at and the valleys and mountain towns are very idyllic to me.
+--- 2563453
+the pacific northwest plus alaska is the best hiking in the world hands down
+--- 2564967
+>>2559995
+Putting others down is the sport of self-haters.
+--- 2564985
+>>2559921 (OP)
+Canadian Rockies. Sorry bois.
+
+>>2560877
+Its not even about peaks. Just about freedom and mastery of the environment.
+--- 2564988
+>>2563453
+What do you mean by hiking? American hiking is a far different experience than everywhere else on the world. Smooth clean trails. Pair of running shoes. Its kind of boring desu.
+--- 2564990
+>>2564988
+Plenty of bushwhacking to be had, but it gets pretty tiresome over long distances.
+--- 2565003
+>>2564988
+Lol wut
+--- 2565026
+>>2564990
+Sure, bushwacking sucks when you have to go through willows and so on. 
+What I don't like is hiking trails like pic rel. The whole trail looks like this. It looks like a park ranger goes over the trail with a broom and then a spatula to even out the bumps. 
+I want terrain that few people walk on, barely visible animal trails, unmarked, pathless, open terrain or forest, pitch your tent anywhere, no ranger strangers.
+If I can't get that I'm just going to put on a pair of trailrunners and run the whole thing, and call my mom to pick me up when it gets dark. I like trailrunning too, but it's a different thing. Camping and hiking is just not the real thing when its too civilized or supervised.
+--- 2565063
+>>2560192
+Leavenworth is not the North Cascades
+--- 2565238
+>>2565026
+just admit that the only places you've been here are near crowded parking lots.
+--- 2565244
+>>2565026
+>It looks like a park ranger goes over the trail with a broom and then a spatula
+hey they have to earn every one of those 20k bucks they make a year
+--- 2565266
+>>2564988
+>American hiking is a far different experience than everywhere else on the world. Smooth clean trails. Pair of running shoes. Its kind of boring desu.
+lol. you either havent been or need to get out more.
+--- 2565267
+>>2565266
+he's right tho
+--- 2565277
+>>2565267
+you're either him, or you also need to go out more. it's an unfathombly stupid assertion.
+--- 2565278
+>>2565267
+about what? about being so fucking autistic that hiking on a well maintained trail causes him to sperg out? I agree with that. But trails like pic related are a tiny minority of trails that i have experienced in the Western US and only the most high profile, well used trails are like that...there are 1000s of miles of all sorts of trails in a wide variety of conditions, terrain and degree of maintenence and suggesting trails like the one in the pic are the norm and not the exception is retarded.
+--- 2565279
+>>2565277
+>>2565278
+samefag
+--- 2565280
+>>2565279
+not an answer or factual. try again.
+--- 2565297
+>>2562088
+This is a lie. The Wind River range doesn't exist. Don't try to go visit.
+--- 2565453
+>>2565279
+>surely only one person would make fun of my retarded post
+--- 2565468
+>>2565026
+Did you even read the post to which you replied? A very tiny percentage of wild areas are covered in trails.
+--- 2565475
+>>2564988
+>American
+what part of america have you been to? america is a very big place, maybe you came to the wrong part.
+the west coast is actually one of the only places in the world with old growth 'real' forests left.
+to have the same experience overseas you have to go to siberia, the amazon rainforest, se asia's jungles, central africa etc. 
+>>2565026
+that section of trail is going to maintain itself from foot traffic. there's no large trees or anything around it to put organics in the soil, which is what makes it get all fucked up and muddy. some trail is pretty low maintenance especially if there's no equestrian or vehicles on it.
+--- 2565477
+>>2564988
+>American hiking is a far different experience than everywhere else on the world
+fax
+come check out the yukon / northwest territories there are not many trails or roads either
+--- 2565478
+most of the injun reserves have no trails
+--- 2566409
+>>2565266
+most europoors don't comprehend how massive the USA is or the fact that two states have more forest and mountains than all of europe combined.
+--- 2566562
+>>2559977
+
+Seems like a sight you would expect to see from Geneva.

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+-----
+--- 2559930
+>most of the trail runs along private farmland or highways crawling with 18 wheelers
+>1/3rd is water
+>the trail will simply run out in many places since no initiative has ever been taken to finish it due to the impossible ambitions and monetary requirements
+>bike paths
+>random unconnected section way up on Baffin Island
+what the fuck were they thinking? seriously, how do you fuck up making a cross Canada trail this badly?
+--- 2559954
+Let's see yours then
+--- 2560566
+I hope Terry Fox rises from the dead to peg you to death with his prosthetic leg.
+
+Whiny shitposts are the worst.
+--- 2560931
+>3 deleted posts
+mods let this thread die already
+--- 2562425
+Haven't something like 18,035 people completed this trail? It's not a huge secret or anything.
+--- 2563287
+>>2559930 (OP)
+anyone know who the adventurer that crossed canada by dog sled, started out in kaktovik alaska and planned to make it to the atlantic ocean, but along the way he was forced to shoot a polar bear attacking his hut, and the canadian natives wanted to prosecute him, he ended up deleting his youtube channel and disappeared off the internet. i think he was from norway, time period was sometime between 2006-2012, had long hair, medium build, in his late 30's early 40s
+--- 2563331
+I live in Southeast Alaska and it looks like it goes from Whitehorse to Beaver Creek then goes up and stays into Canada. I don't remember a road from Beaver Creek going up like that. This would be very creepy during large animal calving season because I always see Grizzly Bears.
+--- 2565197
+>>2559930 (OP)
+>>most of the trail runs along private farmland or highways crawling with 18 wheelers
+HAHA aint that the truth. even in south western bc it is not that walkable
+--- 2567990
+Goodlord that is gnarly.
+--- 2568001
+>trans
+ok
+>canada
+haha
+>trail
+lul
+--- 2568288
+I've done the tiny section that runs through my area. It's actually pretty nice in some parts but definitely very mixed. I went through private logging land, rural water infrastructure service roads, plus some relatively pristine park sections. All in all I liked it and really enjoyed being able to just buckle down and walk a long ways without thinking too hard. Really gets a guy in the zone

out/2560038.txt

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+-----
+--- 2560038
+I know there is at six other people on this board with $4,300
+--- 2560042
+That looks like a barren desert. Is there ground water available? Otherwise you're gonna be stuck trucking in water and that's expensive. Codyslab is in Colorado and they have to buy water to raise their cattle.
+--- 2560044
+btw this looks boring asf what will do there rocket science?
+--- 2560048
+>>2560044
+Realistically the only productive use of such land is ranching, but you need water for that. I suppose you could try goats instead of cattle to minimize water cost but goat meat has a much lower demand in America.
+--- 2560050
+>>2560038 (OP)
+Never heard "it's cheap for a reason", huh?
+--- 2560051
+>>2560044
+Drive 10 minutes to the mountain range and thousands of acres of national forest land?
+>>2560048
+What’s with you guys and thinking you need to build some kind of self sufficient farm there?
+Honestly I would just build a barn to store some toys for hunting and recreation, with a loft for sleeping, and treat it like a cheap vacation house and use it as a jumping off point for trips around the state.
+Trailering/driving a jeep on 37’s for over 10 hours sucks, so it would be great to leave it there all summer and have basically a free hotel room. 
+Renting out the loft as a cheap air b&b a dozen weekends a year would pay the taxes and little water needed for showers and drinking
+--- 2560052
+>>2560051
+>Renting out the loft as a cheap air b&b
+Not a bad idea. With a good gimmick and the right marketing you might do well with this. Maybe put up a movie-set style "old west town" and make a Westworld experience?
+--- 2560053
+Where?
+--- 2560054
+>>2560052
+Idk about that, the point would be a simple and cheap place where a family can sleep and eat at for a night or two while they travel the state enjoying nature, or a weekend base camp for hunters with a nice area to come back and butcher their game.
+Trying to build out some form of entertainment there on the property would be counter productive
+--- 2560063
+>>2560038 (OP)
+Where's the trees? The rivers? The proper meat?
+--- 2560081
+bet you could do better in Moffat County
+--- 2560098
+>>2560038 (OP)
+What exactly are going to do with 30 acres steppe? Graze 3 cows?
+--- 2560102
+>>2560048
+Ranching if* the water is readily accessible and cheap. And by readily accessible I mean able to be irrigated with a ditch and not high pressure water equipment, because that would hike the cost. Given that this is a 35 acre lot with no cattle already on it, it's probably safe to assume it's not feasible.
+--- 2560107
+>>2560098
+OP implied it would be split into 5 acre lots
+--- 2560111
+>>2560107
+What are you going to do with five acres of steppe? Graze three goats?
+--- 2560121
+>>2560038 (OP)
+Probably would at least be $60k to install power, septic and a well. Jannies would report you if you're living there without septic.
+--- 2560266
+>>2560042
+He's in Utah. His family's ranch is actually just 30 minutes from my house
+--- 2560338
+>>2560121
+>Jannies would report you if you're living there without septic.
+Is this the gayest shit on the planet? I had some faggot report my house to the city board because I didn't have flood vents on my bottom floor in an area that floods. They should've told me who the fuck did it so I could give his house a fucking inspection. Ass licking queer.
+--- 2560366
+>>2560111
+Build a barn to store stuff with a loft for sleeping and eating.
+Treat it as a base for hunting or vacations, and rent the loft out a dozen weekends a year to pay the taxes and water.
+--- 2560368
+>>2560121
+Septic is like 7k and solar isn’t much more.
+Don’t need a well if you aren’t living there permanently or raising livestock.
+--- 2560474
+Taking my post from the other 1000 dollar an acre thread. land is cheap for a reason, mainly because its pretty much impossible to live there off grid.
+
+I've done the math on this and am actively planning to live the /out/ escapist LARP. 600,000 USD is the number. You're going to pay way more 1000 an acre for land that you can homestead with. Way more.
+
+40 acres of land thats a combo of trees, water, flatland for buildings above floodzones, and grazing pasture. Acquired for 320,000 in 2020. It has a cabin, well, outhouse and I've added makeshift solar. Eventually I'll need to build roads in, build a barn, and build some kind of 4 season structure with real bathrooms, septic, a real solar battery setup or run grid power to it. That shit adds up very quickly.
+
+Good news, land and home prices are going to drop like a rock in the coming months so if you've been saving your sheckles you'll have an opportunity coming up.
+--- 2560483
+>>2560051
+This works and is a great plan until the first crackhead breaks in and steals all your stuff. Then it goes from 100% quality thinking to 100% shit idea in the span of a day.
+
+Leaving stuff alone in the desert is tough. If you had tree cover it'd be a different story, but anyone will be able to spot and monitor your pad from miles away.
+--- 2560509
+>>2560483
+This risk would be offset by the 35 acre property being split with six others who also come and go as they please, meaning the area would most likely be occupied by at least one person for the majority of the time.
+I think regular traffic to the area, coupled with the remoteness of it would make for extremely low risk of such a thing.
+You’re right if it was just one person on that whole 35 acres tho, it would be dumb to leave too much stuff there year round.
+--- 2560516
+>>2560038 (OP)
+and there's ~1000 people that visit this board every day with half a million dollars to spend for fun. It's an absolute shithole with no prospects
+>>2560042
+>Colarado
+Yikes
+--- 2560608
+>>2560483
+>This works and is a great plan until the first crackhead breaks in and steals all your stuff
+
+the crackhead that you can spot 10 miles out
+--- 2560797
+>>2560038 (OP)
+I inherited close to a million and a half when my mom's cousin, who I helped build heli skiing Resort in British Columbia died. So now I'm going to pay off my house and possibly by the next door one so I can put duplexes on the back and ride the property train to 5 million dollars
+--- 2560852
+>>2560038 (OP)
+Where in the fuck is that, Alamosa?
+--- 2560861
+>>2560038 (OP)
+Map coords would be useful. Looks like a river behind it in pic. Problem is that road doesnt connect to the property. Is there access to the property?
+--- 2560868
+>>2560038 (OP)
+aint a god damn thing on that 35 acres of dust and probably nuclear waste that makes it worth more than .5 acres of old mixed forest in a temperate or tropic zone
+--- 2560871
+>>2560050
+1k an acre isn't cheap.
+--- 2560874
+>>2560871
+$1k and acre is super cheap. Have you never heard that you should never build on land less valuable than the structure you’re building?
+--- 2560887
+>>2560338
+fuckers do this because they are selfish fucks thinking theres a minor chance you will just fuck off and move away leaving them to be the only person in the area. super common in recreational cabins in canada. some youtuber got in some massive legal battle with his neighbor about some petty ass shit like this. this society is full of neurotic boomer fucks that slave away their entire life for shit like this and when they realize its just not going be them alone in paradise they have a spastic fit and start finding ways to drive people out.
+--- 2560896
+>>2560852
+Probably in the valley somewhere. Aka tweekerland. Nope.avi op
+--- 2560906
+>>2560608
+Crackheads roam, it's part of what makes them a pestilence.
+--- 2560909
+>>2560042
+hes in utah and they have rainwater collection
+--- 2560918
+>>2560038 (OP)
+>splitting it between 6 other people
+
+Hell I'm one of most poor people alive.
+But I've been saving money for like 15+ years.
+I got at least 15,000.
+So I want 51%.
+
+Now all we need is some people to work on
+Farm food
+Water pipe system
+Wood/stone house building 
+electric wires for electricity
+solar panels/wind turbines (electric windmill) for power.
+A filter sysyem for the water.
+Transportation routes to other cities
+Such as roads, or plane landing spots.
+Some people to manage deals with other cities where we trade food? for other junk?
+I guess we could breed sheep for cotten, and cows for meat and leather. And other animals for resources.
+Other stuff?
+
+Now you might say since I own 51% I should do all that.
+But screw you, I will sit on my ass and eat and drink all the time.
+I'll be the top 1% spoiled guy, and people can hate me for it.
+Living the dream.
+
+But you guys can vote on town name.
+--- 2561006
+>>2560874
+>Have you never heard that you should never build on land less valuable than the structure you’re building?
+
+not sure if sarcastic or stupid. i'd guess 99% of all dwelling in the US violate this.
+--- 2561215
+OP please use the MGTOW general for these southern colorado land deals 
+
+>>2543832 →
+--- 2561224
+>>2560608
+>you WILL remain completely vigilant with your head on a swivel 24/7/365
+
+nah, they'd wait til they see there's no cars, lights out, or otherwise strike at the strangest time of night. if you lived out in the boonies you'd understand that's how they operate.
+
+>>2560038 (OP)
+but OP, that land is utterly useless. having more of it does nothing for you. might as well get an equally useless, but smaller plot of land that you can afford yourself.
+--- 2561226
+>>2560874
+>first plot of land: 59k
+>house construction costs: 128k
+>site dev/well: 55k
+>final valuation: ~650ish
+
+i think you might have misinterpreted what that adage was trying to say anon.
+--- 2561244
+>>2561226
+that math dont work
+--- 2561262
+>>2561244
+Worked pretty well for me.
+--- 2561277
+>>2560038 (OP)
+read this Anon
+--- 2561280
+>>2560038 (OP)
+You know what's crazy to me, is how government uses Satellites and shit, to see if people are living on free open land.
+And then send cars with rangers/officials to charge money or move the people.
+
+But I just want to live in the open land, miles away from towns for free.
+What happened to land of the free?
+--- 2561281
+>>2560038 (OP)
+Ive been there its just trailers and weed growers and dust. You get what you oay for
+--- 2561297
+Already been done. https://coloradosun.com/2022/02/08/black-hammer-utopia-norwood-colorado/
+>A Black separatist group’s utopian dream for land near Telluride withered after an armed standoff 
+>The Black Hammer group had $100,000 and a real estate contract for 40 acres where they planned a settlement free of cops, COVID and white people
+--- 2561300
+>>2561297
+>segregation is okay when we do it
+can this clown world bullshit die off already? fucks sake.
+--- 2561302
+>>2561300
+whoops, forgot pic
+--- 2561324
+>>2560038 (OP)
+Sorry anon. I'm staying in Pennsylvania where I have claim since my paternal line were founders
+--- 2561342
+>>2561277
+thanks
+https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/ted-conover/pdf-epub-cheap-land-colorado-off-gridders-at-americas-edge-download/
+--- 2561373
+>>2561224
+>might as well get an equally useless, but smaller plot of land that you can afford yourself.
+I would if I could find this kind of scrub land sold in 5 acre or smaller plots.
+Everything that’s like 3 acres is closer to cities and actually more expensive than the full 35 acres of scrub
+--- 2561375
+>>2561215
+I don’t wanna start a community, I don’t wanna try to homestead scrub land, and I don’t wanna live there year round.
+What I really want is 3-5 acres of cheap scrubland to put a barn on and use as a base for hunting and camping trips around the state.
+--- 2561443
+>>2561280
+>And then send cars with rangers/officials to charge money
+this has never once happened
+--- 2561513
+>>2560797
+What's your mortgage rate? Is it fixed? Why do you want to pay off your house?
+--- 2561567
+>>2561443
+Or planes.
+To charge money OR move the people.
+
+Prove to me, a video of a person living on open usa land 24 hour vids for 365 days for free.
+And not just a 1 hour video someone made in backyard.
+And i'll give you my uncashed winning lotto ticket (worth about 1 million) i've been holding for years.
+
+You litterally can't.
+Hell, if you wanted to prove it (which you won't) you could just go yourself and live on open land for free, and make 6-12 hour vids with your phone everyday. But you would only last about a week before gov officials come get you.
+And they would force you to either go back home, or go into a homeless shelter the nearest city has.
+If what you were saying was true, everyone would live free.
+But no one does.
+And there is no proof or evidence that anyone does.
+If you gonna say bigfoot exsists or shit, show some proof.
+The burden of proof is on you.
+
+I too like pretending we have freedom though.
+--- 2561573
+>>2561567
+And by charge money, i mean force them to work for the state or in jail, or find their relatives and charge them, if they have no money.
+
+Here's cop arresting free man, who is "homeless". Just for lying down on side of walking street.
+
+Or what i mean to say is, as you can see, there is no cop here, and people are allowed to live free.
+But it sure looks like a cop...
+--- 2561581
+>>2561297
+
+There are some real gems in this story.
+
+>Crowdfunding grifting
+>Posted elaborate state-of-the-art proposals, only built an unfinished footbridge over a ditch
+>"Special high altitude farming technique"
+>Block local public roads with cars, claim it's "our land"
+>Threaten an innocent local with guns when he asks them to clear the road for others
+>Start driving around with vests and assault rifles
+>Didn't finalize the land purchase, moved in and started building anyway, get evicted for trespassing
+>Vandalize the land and signage with bullet holes and litter on the way out, out of spite
+>Get so mind-broken by the failure that they publicly ally with right wing ideological enemies over vaccines
+
+The only thing this story is missing is a description of the food, sleeping, and toilet arrangements for the brief time they were out there.
+--- 2561625
+>>2561581
+>recalled Black Hammer activists arguing Anne Frank didn’t deserve sympathy because she would have become a European colonizer — an oppressor — had she survived the Holocaust. That argument later caused a firestorm on Twitter and became a signature Black Hammer talking point. Before they arrived in Beaver Pines, the activists tweeted they would stay warm in their mountain colony by burning copies of Anne Frank’s diary.
+I believe that would be what the niggers call "based"
+--- 2561681
+>>2561573
+why wont you take your meds allen?
+--- 2561701
+>>2560918
+>I guess we could breed sheep for cotten
+I prefer growing cotton for wool desu
+--- 2561770
+>>2561701
+I meant wool, but said cotten.
+
+Come on, you know what I meant.
+
+But sheep just eat grass and shit. And wool and cotten are pretty simular.
+I would say you could do either one, but why not both?
+Only one gives you lamb chops though. And fun pets.
+But maybe I thought of cotten, cause that's good too.
+Wool + cotten.
+
+But you can be mayor of cotten in our new town if you want.
+You gonna do cotten candy too?
+--- 2563684
+>>2561581
+>>2561625
+this is amazing
+--- 2565672
+bunp
+--- 2566671
+>>2560038 (OP)
+half of the nation's land is unoccupied
+--- 2566689
+>>2560038 (OP)
+always wanted to set up a dirt race track in the middle of nowhere like this
+--- 2566696
+>>2561770
+*cotton
+--- 2567118
+>>2560038 (OP)
+how do people even think about living in a treeless flat barren, would crush my soul to live there
+Literally cowardly dog show tier setting
+--- 2567119
+>>2560483
+>crackheads will journey out to the middle of no where, 10 miles off a dirt road, ignore EVERY other abandoned barn and house along the way, and invade anon's grassy barren for reasons.
+--- 2567126
+>>2567119
+Yes, that's exactly right. If all targets have equal opportunity of being easy as fuck why would you not take the greatest looking prize? Are you retarded?
+--- 2567129
+>>2567126
+yes obviously, thats why all desert cabins hispters bought have been raided by crackheads, since they spawn out of nowhere hundereds of miles away from the nearest dealer, and shelter.
+--- 2567135
+>>2567129
+Bro, rural theft is absolutely a thing. The more remote and vacant, the better.
+
+Not necessarily crackheads, but yeah having a pole barn in the middle no where will attract thieves like you wouldn’t believe.
+--- 2567148
+>>2567135
+Yes rural theft exists, but they exist in yuppie playgrounds, they don't even have to be close to the city, just an area well known for outdoor activities and places where lots of people go.
+A barren colorado steppe isn't going to start spawning in crackheads or thieves because one anon makes a pole barn, because they weren't there do begin with to know that someone new comes in, they're either in the city, or live in yuppie infested campgrounds and cottage lands.
+--- 2567151
+There is stuff like that in my state. No water, you probably couldn't get the rights in my state to collect water on the property. Lets say you could either get the right to collect water, or you think that you could have water delivered. Well to get it delivered you need a very large water tank installed, and the property is not fenced in. Theoretically some of these properties could be used to ranch, but the initial investment to make it at all reasonable is huge. Also these places are usually a few hours from a decent sized city, so you either need to do a long commute to do your cattle ranching or spend hundreds of thousands to build a nearby house.
+
+People can turn some of these properties into ranches, but the investment is pretty big. The fact that someone hasn't already done it means there is probably better properties to do this with or the return on turning the place into a ranch is low.
+--- 2567174
+>>2567148
+Well try it and find out. I think you’d be surprised at the “if you build it they will come” adage being true in this context.
+--- 2567222
+>>2567118
+>Literally cowardly dog show tier setting
+kek
+--- 2567257
+>>2567129
+You really are retarded. "Desert cabin hipsters" don't live seasonally in their hipster cabins, they're almost always there full time or know someone nearby that is and can keep an eye on things. So if you think you can just drop a pole barn with clean fresh paint in the middle of nowhere and just put up a fake ass CCTV camera and signs around you're fucking asking for it to happen to you.
+>barren colorado steppe
+If you're referring to the San Luis Valley you're worse than I thought, that place is absolutely inhabited and it's inhabitants aren't cut from the same bitchmade cloth you are. Please try, fucking please.
+--- 2567319
+>>2560038 (OP)
+>cucked colorado gun laws
+naw no thanks nigga

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+-----
+--- 2560076
+Give your dogs names as well as new names. 
+This is pumpkin. She’s a corgi Aussie mix.
+--- 2560077
+Also just got this pup. No confirmed name, any ideas? Believed to be a collie lab mix but time will tell.
+--- 2560085
+>>2560077
+Bingo was his name-o.
+--- 2560097
+>>2560076 (OP)
+Elizabeth the 1/2
+--- 2560116
+>>2560077
+Been around a lot of dogs -- looks like a collie and lab mix to me.
+--- 2560139
+His name is Boo. We took him in when he continued to visit our garden and eventually just refused to leave. Not sure about the bread.
+--- 2560322
+>>2560116
+This is fantastic news. Exactly what I hoped for.
+--- 2560428
+>>2560077
+BussyHunter
+--- 2560444
+dubs and his name is nigger
+--- 2560534
+>>2560444
+
+NIGGERMAN!
+--- 2561048
+>>2560077
+Spencer
+--- 2561133
+>>2560076 (OP)
+ginny <3
+--- 2561205
+>>2560139
+So weird, like a shibe but photo edited
+--- 2561236
+>>2560076 (OP)
+Senator Borkenstein
+--- 2561275
+>>2560076 (OP)
+Captain Handsome
+--- 2561677
+>>2560077
+Buster
+--- 2561744
+>>2560077
+piss fingers
+--- 2561778
+Don't currently have one but I've had dogs named Pilot, Rio, Baylee, Duke, and Buddie. Duke was an absolute unit, but would roll over and give up even to smaller dogs when roughhousing
+--- 2561820
+His name is Summit
+--- 2561923
+>>2561778
+Gerald
+--- 2561928
+finn, the horrible asshole.
+--- 2561966
+>>2561778
+Is that a dog or a cow 
+What a meat tank
+--- 2561971
+This is my new puppy Bear. 5 month old mini Aussie.
+--- 2562518
+>>2560077
+Bubba Jellyroll.
+--- 2562523
+her name is sammy but we call her choca
+--- 2562528
+>>2562523
+Sweet.
+--- 2562535
+people who own dogs are emotionally stunted simpletons.
+--- 2562589
+Im thinking of getting a second dog and naming her daisy
+--- 2563502
+>>2560077
+What sex?
+--- 2563676
+>>2562535
+ok retard
+--- 2564481
+>>2560077
+Claus (with a K) if male
+Katarina (with a C) if female
+--- 2565674
+This is Rusty. He is the best boy.
+--- 2566121
+Dalton my Australian Shepherd.
+
+I’d go with Gareth/Gaz.
+--- 2566150
+this is rikku
+--- 2566871
+Meet Joe, showed up on the farm one foggy morning had to only be 4 months old.
+
+Any guesses on his breed??
+--- 2567291
+>>2561820
+summit is a cute name I'm gonna name my next dog that
+--- 2568007
+Peep had an unfortunate encounter
+--- 2568014
+>>2560076 (OP)
+quick backstory
+i am not allowed dogs in my apartment, even though i own it, because of """noise"""
+but ... BUT i am allowed birds, no specification, i GENUINELY considered getting some chickens and a rooster, as under the law, only hoofed and clawed animals are prohibited withing city liits, like cows, sheep etc.
+
+but there is NOTHINg prohibiting birds, initially i considered getting 2 macaws, but they live for so long, even i wasnt petty enough
+
+yes this is my unhinged rant about figuring out how to make a lot more noise then a dog for the smallest most stupid reason.
+1 rooster 3 hens?
+--- 2568331
+Moby Dick
+--- 2568398
+>>2566871
+Bernese mountain dog. Have fun with them anon they’re awesome dogs.

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+-----
+--- 2560183
+/out/ I need some help.
+
+Working towards self sufficiency and decided to get some chickens, got everything together and bought a 10 pack of chicks from Tractor supply as well as a coop. To keep it short tractor supply fucked up my coop order and today when I went to fix it they fucked it up again and accidentally sent me 10 more chicks.
+
+The original coop I had planned won't house 20 chickens comfortably so I have no clue what to do. Any DIY coop plans or prebuilt coops for 20 chickens would be appreciated, or any other ideas of what to do with them. Don't think I could bring myself to kill them but I might be able to stomach giving some away.
+--- 2560199
+Kill them and eat them.
+>Don't think I could bring myself to kill them
+Well, too bad. That's "self sufficiency" for you.
+--- 2560203
+>>2560183 (OP)
+Chicken math strikes again
+--- 2560211
+>>2560183 (OP)
+They only lay productively for a few years and they can live for more than a decade. What's your plan for that?
+--- 2560213
+>>2560199
+I wouldn't want to kill a laying hen, they're all prolific egg laying breeds. If I were to kill and eat any of them it'd be after they're past their prime. But these are just baby chicks, It'd feel like a waste to raise some egg layers from chicks just to slaughter them and eat em.
+--- 2560216
+>>2560211
+If they stopped laying significantly I think it'd be possible to stomach culling them. I just can't bring myself to raise them and kill them as they are now since they're just babies.
+--- 2560242
+>>2560183 (OP)
+craigslist or whatever, number of free chicks. someone will
+--- 2560243
+>>2560216
+They are significantly better eating if they're under months old. They get really tough after that.
+--- 2560261
+>>2560183 (OP)
+3 options I think. 
+
+>1. ask around and/or put them on Craigslist or whatever you tend to use in your area. 
+
+>2. Raise them, look which look the most healthy, keep those. Slaughter the rest and freeze the meat.
+
+>3. get a bigger coop, and make sure you have enough space outside as well. Mix and match with options 1 and 2.
+
+Also keep us updated anon, I love chicken. Dinosaurs, man.
+--- 2560272
+>>2560261
+Got my family to chip in $200 each for a total of about $1000+ my own $600 so I've got roundabout $1600 to build or buy a better coop.
+
+Looking right now into sheds that we can convert or prebuilt and have a few options, any recommendations for builds or prebuilt/sheds would be appreciated.
+
+Also pic rel is 10 I current have they're about 2 weeks old at this point.
+--- 2560288
+>>2560183 (OP)
+>The original coop I had planned won't house 20 chickens comfortably
+If you have room for 10 chickens comfortably you have room for 20 chickens humanely. Chickens are retarded dinosaurs they don't have the same standards you do.
+--- 2560300
+Release the extra ones. Let them be free.
+--- 2560353
+>>2560272
+You could build a palatial coop for that amount of cash. At least around here. 
+An okay one of you have to pay labor.
+>>2560300
+Let the foxes, racoons and hawks do your dirty work for you. Plus they'll detick your yard very well.
+--- 2560370
+>>2560203
+Why are they so dirty? Do you not collect them daily?
+--- 2560375
+>>2560370
+They live with a large flock of ducks and those are dirty dirty birds. It's a gamble wether they'll come out clean from a day to day.
+--- 2560454
+You probably paid $6 ea at TSC, right? Sell the extras for $15 or $20 ea when they are old enough to leave the brooder. Someone would likely pay extra to not have to deal with brooding chicks. If that doesn't work, buy a second coop. If that isn't an option, check out the chickshaw. I made one and it worked for a while for my flock of 30+ until the wind flipped it over and busted it. To be fair, I had never built anything before and I made a lot of mistakes putting it all together.
+--- 2560508
+>>2560183 (OP)
+>Working towards self sufficiency
+>Don't think I could bring myself to kill them
+
+Good luck
+--- 2561021
+>>2560183 (OP)
+Are the chicks unsexed? Thats usually how they are sold. Just care for the 20 and wait for them to get old enough for you to tell which are pullets and which are roosters. Then kill all but one rooster but you dont even need a rooster, he'll just be useful for protecting your flock.
+
+Another option is to build a cheap t-post and chicken wire fence and let the roosters fight to the death, the strongest survives and he'll protect the flock
+--- 2561072
+>>2560213
+>prolific egg laying breeds
+Like what, New Hampshire? That'd be up to 250 eggs a year per hen. Do you plan on building an egg fort?
+--- 2561805
+>>2561072
+not OP but i got 2 rhode island reds, which lay up to 300 a year. We eat eggs every day so no forts for us :(
+--- 2561811
+>>2560183 (OP)
+>I need some help 
+Yeah, you need to stop being a limp 
+wristed panty waist 
+
+You want to be self sufficient? Fatten them up and slaughter the biggest birds. It's good to know how to clean a chicken
+--- 2561813
+>>2560353
+How do other ground birds survive against foxes and birds of prey? How do turkeys exist?
+--- 2561835
+>>2560183 (OP)
+Well if you had a cat you'd have 10 good meals for it.
+--- 2561878
+>>2561813
+Turkeys can fly.
+--- 2561959
+Find a small local auction house that does livestock, find what days they auction and start making some friends with other likeminded folk
+--- 2561980
+Reminds me of the time I'd raise my chickens when I was little and my mom would kill them. That whore.
+--- 2562081
+OP here ended up giving the chicks to someone we knew who had room for em. Also we found a great guy near us who builds coops and got a great custom coop for the same price as the shit-ass tractor supply one.
+>>2561072
+I eat 4-6 eggs daily. Plus other family members.
+>>2560508
+At least you have the courtesy to label yourself eurofag.
+>>2561805
+Based bro, I love eggs, absolute superfood.
+>>2561811
+I'm a 6'1 190lbs autistic Adonis anon. Though I do agree it's a bit pansy, but sorry I just love animals.
+>>2561980
+Fuck that bitch, chickens are pure souls.
+--- 2562083
+>>2560183 (OP)
+OP I know you don't want to kill laying chickens, but let me put it this way: The world has enough chickens, and they're very cheap. If you can't find someone to take them, kill and eat them. Millions on millions of baby chicks every single year. Grocery store is full of chicken. You can get a chicken sandwich or friend chicken damn near anywhere. Their value is very low. Kill the chickens.
+>t. Grandad was a chicken farmer. Have have killed thousands.
+--- 2562172
+>>2560183 (OP)
+theyre made of chicken
+eat them
+--- 2562381
+It's not self-sufficient but why not just find a butcher to just bring extra chickens to and let him do the job? You'd have a supply of eggs and meat then without having to do the killing yourself.
+--- 2562388
+>>2560272
+Where the fuck do you live? I built my coop that houses a 100 birds for $200. Learn to frame, build a square, make a wooden ladder and put it diagonally in the coop for roosting space, job done. With the extra money put siding on it and a nice roof. 
+Also this
+>>2560288
+I highly doubt you can house 10 chickens and not 20 unless your coop is a dresser, which btw works, I have a dresser as a coop for silkies.
+--- 2562391
+>>2561021
+>Another option is to build a cheap t-post and chicken wire fence and let the roosters fight to the death, the strongest survives and he'll protect the flock
+Yes, commit a crime in every developed nation on the world instead of just giving them away or eating them, highly intelligent.
+--- 2562396
+>>2562081
+>4-6 eggs daily
+That doesn't seem healthy to me.
+--- 2563125
+Non meat chickens take a long time to mature so slaughering them isnt very practical because of how long it will take. If you can keep them long enough for them to be large you can slaughter them easily for some meat and some very good broth. Check craigslist and see if anyones getting rid of a doghouse you can put a door on or a shed.
+--- 2563126
+>>2560242
+Yeah this will work
+--- 2563129
+>>2560375
+What kind of ducks do you keep?
+--- 2563213
+>>2563129
+Khaki Campbell and Pekins. But I'll impulse buy something else once and awhile. Sometimes the Pekins get so big they'll crush eggs so there's that.
+--- 2563777
+>>2560199
+If you want to kill an egg lying hen, especially a young one then you are a retarded faggot LARPer but we knew it already
+--- 2563791
+>make my chickens freerange
+>they kick the rocks in my garden bed up onto the grass
+--- 2563793
+>>2560370
+I collect mine daily and sometimes they're covered in shit. It's normal.
+--- 2563802
+>>2560183 (OP)
+Avian flu is appearing again-keep them and cash in
+--- 2563822
+>>2562391
+Gambling is the crime when it comes to cock fighting. He's just allowing his roosters to cull themselves. Nothing illegal about culling livestock.
+--- 2563823
+>>2563802
+bird flu is just as fake and gay as covid
+--- 2563825
+>>2560183 (OP)
+Haven't read the thread yet so someone else may have said this already but I'd say keep the extra chickens and expand your coop or build an add-on section if you need to. 10 extra chicks is sweet if you can accommodate them. Good adult hens can sell for 50-100$ a head at trade markets... or you could let them stay egg factories and decide if you want to sell them later.
+--- 2563952
+>>2563213
+>khaki Campbell's and Pekins
+
+Based. I grew out 10 Pekins last year and butchered them all in the fall. I think I only have 2 left in the freezer, I dont know what recipe my wife uses when she cooks them, but my lord they are exquisite. Makes chicken taste like refried dog shit.
+
+ Got 20 Pekin eggs in the incubator right now for this season.
+--- 2563954
+>>2563952
+Nice I've been breeding Brahmas and Speckled Sussex for 2 years now, I raise good hens and roosters and take them to market and sell them plus billions of eggs
+--- 2564193
+>>2560203
+Are some of those eggs for niggers?
+--- 2564257
+>>2560203
+Holy shit your wall outlet is installed the right way up. I almost never see that.
+--- 2564289
+>>2560272
+Why do you need $1600 for a coop, all the coops I have seen are extremely simple, build a frame made out of some 2x4 then put in plywood for the floors walls and ceiling. A box made of 2x4 with plywood for the walls. Then put some kind of roof on top of the plywood to keep it dry. The idea is more like a barn then it is shed. For the chickens to live just build a multilevel shelf inside with a ladder/ramp to each level. Depending on your level of rural and how much land you have just let the chickens walk around your farm or land. It's what 60% of the rednecks and farmers around me do.
+--- 2564321
+>>2564289
+If you are resourceful in finding lumber and have some basic building skills then chicken coops can be almost free besides the time and energy... minus some wire for windows and back fence area etc
+--- 2564322
+>>2564289
+Also yeah I have about 20 acres for chickens to roam around on that isn't taken up by other livestock and sometimes I feel like I don't need to feed them except in the dead of winter, I still throw out some egg layer pellet and scratch grain in the coop fence for the brooding hens but the rest of the chickens barely pick on it and seem to do fine just finding bugs and stuff during the day (in summer)
+--- 2564360
+>>2562396
+You're right, he should be drinking some lowfat s o y milk like you
+--- 2564362
+>>2562396
+4-6 eggs daily is perfect. I eat 5 eggs for breakfast every morning. Cholesterol worry is a Hebrew lie if you eat an optimal natural diet not stocked with goy-feed, corn syrup, and vegetable goil
+--- 2564379
+>>2561813
+>How do other ground birds survive against foxes and birds of prey?
+Actual wild chicken live in dense jungles and are good at running and flying. Turkeys hardly count as ground birds.
+--- 2565210
+>>2562396
+>retard alert.jpg
+--- 2565724
+one of my chickens has a limp and doesnt lay eggs
+another chicken doesnt have a limp but walks slowly, spends most of the day standing still in the middle of the lawn doing nothing, and is very docile almost too docile, she might be retarded butt she lays eggs (often outside the nesting box)
+
+what do?
+--- 2567038
+>>2565724
+Cull them. I'm doing 3 of my brown layers today. I might get an egg every other day from them, and one of them is sickly looking. So Im gonna turn them into dog food
+--- 2567041
+How do you know you dont have any roosters?
+--- 2568415
+>>2560211
+>They only lay productively for a few years
+Stop peddling someone else's bullshit. They lay for several years, 5-7 on average depending on environmental conditions.

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+-----
+--- 2560605
+Why do /out/istics hate hammocks? I prefer hammocks to tents so long as it's more than 0C desu. Especially on multiday hikes
+--- 2560615
+>>2560605 (OP)
+we hate everything, m8. i'm also aware of the fact that my preferences are not only the best way, but also the only acceptable one.
+--- 2560632
+>>2560605 (OP)
+There are a few reasons.
+
+>Europeans
+There are no hammock manufacturers on that entire continent that make decent products appropriately sized for an adult man. Also hammocks are impossible to hide in a small patch of bushes on a private farm road 3km from town, which is the most common type of European “hiking.”
+
+>autistics
+The concept of the exception isn’t easily understood by people with severe autism (aka the majority of /out). That’s where the comments about deserts and being above tree line come in. Having the inability to understand the basic mindset of others, they fail to grasp that we know about the exceptions.
+
+>larpers and GI Joe cosplayers
+The military and YouTube survivalists haven’t really adopted hammocks as a go-to shelter just yet. Until they do, /out/ and /k/ will continue to suggest using bivies.
+
+There are a minority of people who once strung a 9’ AliExpress hammock banjo string tight, couldn’t sleep in it, and decided it’s not for them.
+--- 2560636
+My back doesn't like being shaped like a banana for 8 hours
+
+Restricted to areas with trees a certain distance apart, and this puts you in areas with other hammock enjoyers, or so far out away that it interferes with other plans
+
+Dealing with tying certain knots is not bad after a long day out, but untying in the morning is annoying. 
+
+Last outing was with friends, 3 with tents, 1 with hammock, tent guys had to compromise our spots to be near certain trees with that certain distance apart. It's just unnecessary when a foam pad + inflatable weigh the same as a hammock, netting, and cord
+--- 2560641
+>>2560632
+Damn, I forgot to add actual retards like >>2560636 to the list.
+
+>banana
+No
+>knots
+Lol
+>trees certain distance apart
+LMAO!
+--- 2560648
+>>2560605 (OP)
+>womb simulator for overgrown babies
+no thanks boss.
+--- 2560649
+>>2560632
+>Europeans
+i live in Norway so can't speak to the lack of right to roam in the rest of the continent, but they sell plenty of good hammocks here, including Hennessey. But hell even the cheaper stuff gets the job done 
+The rest sounds about right though. 
+>>2560636
+Skill issue. If you set it up right you can sleep straight or even on your side no problem. And finding a good tent spot is way harder than a good hammock spot. But yeah when with friends it's ofc better to tent together in large tents
+--- 2560655
+>>2560649
+Cheap hammocks are rarely over 10’ long. I’m 6’ 1”, the appropriate height for an adult man. If a hammock is less than 11’ long my feet hang off the end.
+--- 2560657
+>>2560632
+>Also hammocks are impossible to hide in a small patch of bushes on a private farm road 3km from town, which is the most common type of European “hiking.”
+Huh, wonder on which continet I've been hiking, then.
+Pic related being from a nature reserve up north I visted and hiked in last summer. 80kms in 3 days walking up and down multiple fells and ridges.
+I do use hammocks in the south, in the north there are no trees to hang anything from.
+--- 2560658
+>>2560648
+Nobody said anything about getting a gf
+--- 2560661
+>>2560655
+I'm 6'4. Some are a bit small but it's not hard to find a big one. And even with a small one, who cares if your feet are off the edge? You're in a sleeping bag and wearing wool socks most of the time anyway. Worst case, put a pillow or some clothes under your knees and it's fine
+--- 2560663
+>>2560661
+>who cares
+I care. 
+>sleeping bag in a hammock
+No
+>socks while sleeping
+Bro, do you even hike?
+
+It’s only an issue when I’m stretching out and relaxing in the afternoon or in the morning. When I sleep I end up curled up on my side. It actually works out well because I can use a 3/4 length underquilt.
+--- 2560665
+>>2560632
+Dull arguments
+
+>There are no hammock manufacturers on that entire continent that make decent products appropriately sized for an adult man.
+The sad fact is that Americans pay $200 for a sheet of nylon.
+
+Order 350x160 sheet of 70D nylon for $25. Fold in and overhand knot the ends. Tie loops to the ends. Attach straps to the loops with carabiners. Have yourself a hammock. Made me sell the Warbonnets again.
+--- 2560666
+>>2560636
+>Dealing with tying certain knots is not bad after a long day out, but untying in the morning is annoying.
+Nylon straps and carabiners. Not only is it much, much, much easier to deal with it's also much kinder to the trees. Also makes for a simple way to vary the length of your hang.
+--- 2560668
+>>2560663
+>When I sleep I end up curled up on my side.
+Like a baby. Chads sleep on their backs
+--- 2560729
+>>2560665
+>$200
+Imagine being so poor you think that’s a lot of money. Anyway, hammocks from cottage manufacturers are closer to $50. 
+
+>just make one
+Europeans can’t into DIY. It’s very strange, considering the lack of cottage manufacturers.
+>out of 70D
+Damn, and I thought Americans were fat
+>just tie the ends
+Anon, while I admire your willingness to tell people to do things that you would never bother doing, this isn’t necessarily good advice. Without hemming the sides, there’s a good chance it will tear.
+
+TBDesu, if you have access to a sewing machine, even one you don’t own, a hammock is the easiest DIY thing you can sew. It’s all straight lines on a rectangle of fabric. 
+>160cm
+Is that right? Is it a nominal measurement? Nearly all ripstop nylon in the US is 60” wide (152cm), though I know there’s some 2.2oz, 70d that’s like 74”/188cm. Maybe 160cm is including selvage?
+--- 2560739
+>>2560729
+Somethings off with your brain. Better get it checked out.
+--- 2560760
+>>2560729
+>Europeans can’t into DIY
+This is nonsense. The thing is more that you can get a reasonable chinesium hammock for much less than the materials and time of making one (at the low end) or you can just buy a pretty decent one from a manufacturer if you have a job.
+I will agree that some other kinds of DIY are less common here, but that's usually because the space to have a woodshop in your home is extortionately expensive.
+--- 2560764
+>>2560641
+>banana
+>no
+
+Elaborate on this for me please. Bivy camper with a bad back thinking about making the switch but this seems like a sound argument.
+--- 2560767
+>>2560764
+Get a reasonable tautness
+Lie at a 45deg angle to the ridgeline for more straightness
+Sleep on your side
+You do have to hammock right, just like anything /out/.
+--- 2560788
+>>2560764
+With a properly hung hammock, you don’t sleep in a banana shape. You let the hammock sag, and sleep diagonally across it. The hammock opens up, and you lie nearly flat. Most people sleep on their sides in a hammock, and I’ve met a few old folks who legitimately couldn’t sleep on the ground because of various old folk issues. Hammocks allowed them to camp. 
+
+Here’s a Shug video.
+
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cvj0ISjzl8 [Embed]
+--- 2560803
+>>2560663
+Take the sock pill anon, you won't regret it. They have to be fresh socks ofc
+--- 2560972
+>hate is a four letter word
+>camp is a four letter word 
+>tarp is a four letter word
+>hike is a four letter word
+>tent is a four letter word
+>pack is a four letter word
+>tree is a four letter word 
+>hammock is a seven letter word
+one of these things doesn't belong
+
+>>2560663
+>>2560803
+heat holders socks might sound like a meme but they are so comfy because they are warm and loose on the feet but stay on
+--- 2560979
+>>2560803
+I guess if I lived in a really cold environment I’d probably be on board. The foot box on my quilt has been plenty enough down to the mid 20’s. If it gets colder than that I can just wait till the next weekend and it will be 30° warmer because it’s the South and the weather is retarded.
+--- 2560992
+>>2560632
+>hammocks are impossible to hide in a small patch of bushes on a private farm road 3km from town
+
+European here, you can easily hide a hammock near a very frequented trail and be unedetected. Of course, you have to not be a big retard and not sleep right next to the road, or at eye level. 3/4 of the height of a tree is often the best if you manage to climb, and it keeps you an your stuff away from other humans and the occasional boar.
+--- 2561020
+>>2560605 (OP)
+What is it with all these boomers online saying that hammocks fix their back problems. I'm tall and have lower back problems and every time I've woken up in a hammock my lower back has been sore. I use the warbonnet blackbird which is supposedly the most comfortable hammock on the market
+--- 2561044
+>>2560605 (OP)
+Can't imagine they're viable for anyone bringing a friend. These days I go camping with my wife and when I was at uni inviting a girl out was my go-to way of getting in her pants. Hammocks would kill that, no?
+--- 2561083
+>>2561044
+No.
+--- 2561202
+>>2560605 (OP)
+Tents are too comfy, fuck hammocks
+
+Why would I want to be zipped into a small sack that is tied to some trees? In a tent I can cook on my stove, read a book, lay down, and do 50 fuckin pushups. Weight of tent: 4.6 pounds
+--- 2561216
+>>2561202
+>I can’t cook or do pushups under an 11x9 tarp
+Lol
+>I can’t lie down in a hammock
+Are you ok?
+--- 2561220
+>>2561216
+Tents are much better than hammocks for many reasons, that is what I said.
+--- 2561222
+>>2561216
+Can wank in them
+--- 2561261
+>>2561220
+You implied that tents are better without giving any actual reasons. And I don’t think you can do 50 consecutive push-ups.
+--- 2561310
+>>2560665
+The biggest issues will be underquilts and tarps, not the hammock body.
+--- 2561311
+I built a hammock stand for my bedroom, sleeping in it every night has cured my back pain.
+--- 2561339
+>>2560605 (OP)
+I prefer a tent for many reasons
+>better in foul weather
+>I can dump my backpack out inside
+>I can sit up or lay down
+the list goes on..
+--- 2561350
+>>2560655
+>6’ 1”, the appropriate height for an adult man
+--- 2561353
+>>2561020
+>I use the warbonnet blackbird which is supposedly the most comfortable hammock on the market
+nah, that would be the haven tent hammock.
+--- 2561359
+>>2560663
+>Doesn't wear socks while camping 
+Breh what? Why not? 
+Keep a big warm pair in your bag a d only wear it for sleeping. Game changer in the winter
+--- 2561377
+>>2560632
+>they hated him because he was right
+--- 2561382
+My hammock, I am up high because the river has salmon and brown bears. At night I hear all kinds of spooky shit outside and I feel like a burrito. But if the "animal" tries to get you the hammock spins around like youtube related making you almost impossible for you to eat. But they spin you around so much it's hard to get out, took me about a half hour once. 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RLEVuEscdw [Embed]
+--- 2561383
+Most people are not creatures of reason
+--- 2561384
+>>2561382
+Burrito, the ultimate defense.
+--- 2561385
+My area's trees (which are often closer to shrubs) are not suitable for hammocks. I usually go for a bivvy. Given how dry it is here condensation is not really a problem.
+--- 2561386
+>>2560632
+>The military and YouTube survivalists haven’t really adopted hammocks as a go-to shelter just yet.
+
+The military has to take into account the issue of stealth which most hikers do not care about.
+--- 2561387
+>>2561384
+He must be a spic. I feel more like a soba sandwich.
+--- 2561389
+>>2561384
+I used to keep a fire going but it didn't help.
+>>2561387
+>salmon
+>brown bears
+>forest
+>He must be a spic.
+--- 2561414
+>>2561339
+>muh weather
+Wrong
+>empty my pack out
+Why can’t you do that with a hammock?
+>I can’t sit up in a hammock
+wut? See pic and explain why it’s so complicated.
+--- 2561418
+>>2561414
+>Why can’t you do that with a hammock?
+Emptying out your backpack in your hammock sounds like a terrible idea
+--- 2561422
+>>2561359
+homemade woolsocks all the time
+--- 2561423
+>>2561418
+>sit under an enormous tarp
+>take out various object from your backpack
+>place them on the ground
+--- 2561431
+>>2561423
+>placing your things where racoons can run up and snatch them
+AMATEUR HOUR!!!
+--- 2561436
+>>2561431
+>my tent is raccoon proof
+What kind of pussy ass faggot raccoons do they have there?
+--- 2561442
+>>2561436
+What kind of pussy ass faggoy tents do you have?
+--- 2561445
+>>2561414
+Do that when it's pouring down rain. Oh, do you only camp in the sunshine?
+--- 2561449
+>>2561445
+>can’t sit in a hammock in the rain 
+wut?
+>can’t put things under a tarp in the rain
+wut?
+>hammocks don’t work in the rain
+wit?
+
+Use your words
+--- 2561450
+>>2561445
+Local anon cannot fathom tarp camping.
+
+>>2561418
+Eh anything soft can go into the hammock, typically carry some foam mat for sitting which makes a good floor and a backup for ground camping if the area is unknown.
+--- 2561454
+>>2561442
+Please take your waxed canvas 18th century LARP gear back to /cgl/
+--- 2561459
+>>2561454
+Fuck you, didnt even give me a chance to say it myself.
+For the record, i was going to say
+>well i dont carry 20 pounds of canvas on my back for nothing
+But youre too good to play along, i guess.
+--- 2561467
+This board is so damn Americanized
+--- 2561472
+>>2561423
+>Take out various objects from your backpack
+>Place them on the ground
+>They roll down hill because superior hammock can be set up anywhere
+>Place items in hammock instead
+>I'm now laying in a hammock with gear piled on top of me
+
+Guys, I also have hammocks but you definitely have more space to move gear around in a tent.
+--- 2561491
+>>2561467
+And thats a good thing
+--- 2561533
+I use hammocks because there are woods everywhere and unlike you idiots I actualy know how to sleep in one without feeling the discomfort you faggots are talking about.
+>>2561491
+no
+--- 2561540
+>>2561533
+>no
+Yes
+--- 2561548
+>>2561540
+>Yes
+yeah fucker right you guys are the worst and you should stick to watching tv
+>go /out/ for three days with some american exchange students five years back that you met in the university
+>also have a dog trained for being /out/ so basically a hunting dog
+>amerifags start asking how in seven hells you don't keep it on a leash because it can run away
+>tell them about the dog's training and demonstrate some of its abilities
+>yeah whatever anon this is dangerous for other people because in muh america dogs kill even babies
+>an hour into the walking hear one of amerifags talking that he has to take a shit
+>he goes into some bushes and comes back with shit in a plastic bag
+>look confused and ask what the fuck
+>yeah anon we don't want to litter haha the smell would freak out wild animals
+>ask him if he ever thought about burying the turd then
+>no haha then my shovel would get dirty
+>amerifag takes his shit and puts it in a plastic jar so he can throw it into a garbage bin when he sees one
+>two hours later turns out that the shit-collector's gf is on her period
+>starts freaking out about hygiene and takes the shitjar with her to throw in her used tampon
+>vampire teabag dispenser wants to take photos
+>every single one of them is her doing some stupid face near some cliff or whatever
+>take one photo because she asked
+>she complains that she is on the side and the view can actualy be seen
+>we find a camping site only to find out that they light a fucking fire with a zippo gasoline can
+>instead of mre they eat fucking cheeseburgers meant for microwaves
+>hear a male deer in the night because mating season
+>they start doing a sound similar to the deer
+>tell them to shut up or wrestle a testosterone-filled deer without me or my dog who started to freak out only when they wanted to be haha so silly
+>they keep talking the entire time the next day
+>talking is okay but not the entire time when you want to hear the birds and shit
+would write more but it would be too long
+--- 2561584
+>>2561548
+>I had a bad irl experience this one time five years ago
+>this is a reflection of this board
+I thought Europeans were smart.
+--- 2561610
+>>2560657
+>>2561382
+
+Can you give an approximate location of those places please?
+--- 2561614
+>>2561610
+Wtf is this GPT-4chan bullshit?
+--- 2561620
+>>2561614
+Site-wide April Fools joke.
+--- 2561621
+>>2561584
+Don't forget how he wanted everyone to eat MREs 
+
+What a fucking faggot
+--- 2562552
+>>2560605 (OP)
+I've fallen down the hammock rabbit hole. Want to do some m/o/torcycle camping this summer and found hammocks to be the best setup. I have bought:
+>underquilt
+>topquilt
+>hammock
+>suspension
+>tarp
+but then I realized I still need a shitton of other things now, like
+>tarp ridgeline with wasps
+>guylines
+>stakes
+>fleaz
+>shock cord
+>poles to widen the tarp
+this is getting ridiculous. I bet I'm still missing more stuff...
+--- 2562562
+>>2560632
+>There are no hammock manufacturers on that entire continent that make decent products appropriately sized for an adult man.
+
+Poles do a pretty good job. Lesovik Draka - 330 × 150 cm. FlyHamak Ursa - 350 cm x 185 cm.
+
+
+>>2562552
+>tarp ridgeline with wasps
+>fleaz
+Haven't used fancy wasps, but simple 2$ nama-claws from Aliexpress work fine for me (pic related). Attaching tarp ridgeline to a tree with a carabiner on one side, claw on the other side - and tarp itself to the ridgeline using two more claws. Way cheaper than any fancy hammock-specific thingies.
+--- 2562587
+>>2562552
+You do t neet a separate ridge line, as most tarps have a sewn ridge. Wasps or something similar are a good idea though. Every setup needs stakes; if you’re sleeping outside, that’s pretty much a given. I never understood the point of fleaz. Shok cord and pole mods are just a luxury.
+--- 2562934
+>>2562552
+Just get 50ft of zing it or similar. 15ft on either side of the tarp. 5ft for the other 4 (assuming 4) points. Cheap Y aluminum stakes on Amazon work pretty good, some sets come with shitty cordage but they also have the metal tensioners which saves you from tying knots for the stakes. Truckers hitch and two-half hitches for the Ridgeline, bobs your uncle. The fancy hardware is cool but it's not required.
+--- 2562936
+>>2560605 (OP)
+Ask me how i know you only hike in the east where you cant even get above timberline
+--- 2562943
+>>2562936
+You know, for as good as the west coast supposedly is, you sure spend a lot of time talking about the east coast.
+--- 2562995
+>>2562562
+>>2562587
+Alright, I went with continuous ridgeline with wasp and Nama claws, and Nana claws for the stakes
+>>2562934
+Aw shoots I ordered before I saw this reply. I went with MSR groundhogs since I didn't know what to get and will pair it with lots of zing it rope which I will cut to length and throw Nama claws onto
+
+Here's what I bought online over the past few days:
+>Dutchware chameleon, Hexon 1.0, peak shelf, bug net
+>HammockGear Economy insulator and burrow over and underquilt
+>Beetle buckle hammock suspension
+>xenon silpoly tarp with doors
+>Continuous ridgeline kit with wasp and Nama claws
+>MSR groundhog stakes (6 but I only needed 4)
+>Extra 25' of zing-it rope (to cut and add to stakes)
+>shock cord (it was only $5)
+Sucks how weak the Canadian dollar is. Americans don't know how good they have it... This was like $1k but whatever, buy once cry once! I'll try to go out in late April and hit up some hotsprings while motorcycling around BC
+--- 2562999
+>>2562995
+>all that
+You are terrible at shopping
+--- 2563002
+>>2562999
+I tried to do my research :/
+--- 2563004
+>>2563002
+Did this "research" involve reading (totally not sponsores) how to guides, reviews, and articles?
+--- 2563005
+>>2563004
+No, I tried my best to sift through shit and read actual, honest accounts on vBulletin forums from people with no agenda
+--- 2563007
+>>2563005
+>actual, honest accounts on vBulletin
+lol
+>from people with no agenda
+LMAO
+
+anon i feel sorry for you, but i dont want you to feel bad. This is a learning experience.
+
+An important questions to ask YOURSELF when researching things like this is
+>how did people do it before all these name brand products existed
+The answer is almost always
+>everything you need is at your local hardware store
+Sans the actual hammock ofcourse.
+--- 2563012
+>>2563007
+I went to my local hardware store and maybe things are different where you live but my selection was essentially bargain bin dollarstore quality-tier, and was quite limited. I have to go the online route. I hope and pray the hammock will work for me
+--- 2563014
+>>2563012
+>bargain bin dollarstore quality-tier
+Okay? Do you weigh 600 pounds or something?
+--- 2563042
+>>2560665
+Our hammocks are more advanced, bigger and, more comfortable, you're not paying for the same thing
+--- 2563050
+>>/out/istic 
+Never understood this meme, /out/ is the most well adjusted, sanest most positive board on 4chinz
+--- 2563061
+>>2560605 (OP)
+i used to like them till i fucked my back up, now i can't really fall asleep in them.
+>>2560665
+hammockfags seem to have the highest rate of people who make their own gear and america's the main place with all the companies making hammocks that aren't mass produced.
+--- 2563062
+>>2562995
+i don't know modern hammock gear but i don't think you fucked up. the quilts are the most expensive part and as long as you did the 'custom' parts correct (sizing, comfort rating, etc) hg econs are pretty much the standard first 'serious' quilt everyone buys, great price -> performance ratio. at least in america i don't know how your looney tooney fag money affects things. i used to have one it was great and i'm pretty sure my ex whore's still using it, i upgraded to 950 fill bags. 
+>>2563007
+>>2563014
+anon if you're seriously suggesting anon camp under a hardware store tarp... just stop retard. its not even cheaper than buying a real tarp. they leak the first few times you use them. i do residential construction i use those things all the time they're pieces of shit and meant to be thrown away after 1 use on a job site they're not camping gear. 
+in a turn of events you are the vBulletin retard
+--- 2563063
+>$20 hardware store tarp
+>leaks after 4 uses
+vs
+>$80 gearfag silnylon/silpoly tarp
+>lasts your entire life
+only cheaper if you don't go outside
+--- 2563064
+>>2563004
+Dutchware is rarely mentioned outside of people who actually use it. It’s pretty typical for cottage manufacturers. And that’s not that much “stuff,” it’s just a complete hammock setup. 
+
+>>2562995
+Does the Chameleon come with a structural ridge line?
+--- 2563065
+>>2563062
+picrel i only post opinions on gear i have really used
+unlike this hardware store everbilt tarp larper
+--- 2563066
+>>2563062
+>>2563063
+>>2563064
+--- 2563067
+>>2563065
+You do realize they sell higher line tarps right next to the cheap ones, right?
+--- 2563070
+>>2563067
+>You do realize they sell higher line tarps right next to the cheap ones, right?
+those aren't high end tarps just because they're expensive. those are made out of woven plastic https://www.homedepot.com/b/Paint-Paint-Supplies-Tarps/ anon doesn't need a 80 dollar woven plastic tarp. we're going camping not covering up lumber for the winter, je-sus. anon can wait a week for a real backpacking tarp to show up in the mail from a specialty company.
+--- 2563096
+>>2563070
+>a real backpacking tarp
+I wish you were trolling
+--- 2563113
+>>2562995
+Looks good. If you're new to hammock get out to the woods during the day to fiddle and practice. Dutchware are good people if you have questions via hammockforum.
+
+ >>2563064
+Most do with the bug nets. If not, easy to add and they bought extra cordage.
+
+>>2563096
+It's 2023 pops, only bushcrafters use waxed canvas.
+--- 2563123
+>>2563096
+i know you're not trolling because i've seen you try to recommend hardware store tarps before... and if you waste your life on such asinine trolls on the slowest board on 4chan... yowza
+in what world does it make sense to camp under a hardware store tarp?
+have you ever used one before?
+they're not completely water tight and they pinhole from very light use outside.
+why would you waste $20 on some one time disposable bullshit that's a liability and doesn't even do its job?
+jewgle search
+"silpoly 9x9 tarp"
+first result
+68 dollars for a tarp that'll last decades
+even cheaper if you make it yourself 
+ripstop by the roll dot com or whatever
+fucks sake this is not difficult. stop recommending hardware store tarps to newfags.
+--- 2563127
+>I wish you were trolling
+silpoly... silnylon... any fabric coated in polyurethane... waxed canvas... coarse wool without its lanolin removed.. fuck i don't know you have a lot of acceptable options whether you want to go with modern camping gear or ren faire. 
+using a hardware store tarp made out of plastic with a weave that loose, you may as well go back to wearing a banana leaf skirt you nigger.
+--- 2563133
+>>2563123
+>i know you're not trolling because i've seen you try to recommend hardware store tarps before...
+No, you havent, because i havent.
+
+>in what world does it make sense to camp under a hardware store tarp?
+The one where youre not forced to buy the cheapest tarp?
+
+>>2563113
+>It's 2023 pops, only bushcrafters use waxed canvas.
+Well maybe more people should.
+--- 2563134
+>>2563127
+>using a hardware store tarp
+Wait until you figure out you can buy the aforementioned style tarps from a hardware store...
+--- 2563137
+>>2563123
+>yowza
+Opinion discarded. Blue tarps are an acceptable option for someone just getting into /out. They don't cost much and they work fine as long as you aren't camping in heavy rain.
+--- 2563143
+>>2563137
+>Blue tarps are an acceptable option for someone just getting into /out.
+only for learning how to pitch a tarp at the park or in their back yard.
+that's it.
+its a waste of $20.
+that's 1/2 the cost of making a real tarp and 1/3 the cost of just buying one someone else made.
+good high quality tarps are very cheap. you're thinking with short time preference like a nigger trying to nickel and time, when really you are just telling people to waste their money on crap that will wind up in a landfill. 
+>they work fine as long as you aren't camping in heavy rain.
+what
+the fuck
+do you think a tarp
+is for
+you mouth breathing fucking moron
+if the weather is so fair that it doesn't matter that your tarp is leaking like a sieve you can just cowboy camp, you don' even need a tarp. moderate climate faggot. 
+>anon lives up north
+>it rains
+what now nigger
+--- 2563146
+and fuck even if you are talking about saving money
+you can get a 30d silpoly tarp for 17 dollars on aliexpress
+that's cheaper than a blue tarp at my local home depot 
+neither one is a 'standard' 9x9 they're both narrow. but point is, its not even cheaper, its just the wrong kind of tarp. why the fuck would an anon going hiking pay $20 for a $5 blue tarp marked up because contractors have no other choice but to buy whats closest?
+--- 2563150
+>>2563143
+Nta but you do know that plastic weave tarps dont just turn into screens when they leak, right?
+--- 2563151
+>>2563143
+>just spend two to three times as much on something you're only trying out
+okay
+>there's no such thing as light to moderate rain
+okay
+>it only rains up north
+kek
+--- 2563156
+>>2563146
+I've actually never looked at aliexpress until today. It looks like what you'd get if amazon and a scam site had a mutated lovechild. Is that where people go to get sweatshop merch and also have their identity stolen?
+--- 2563158
+>>2563156
+Yes, once someone mentions alibaba its good practice to disregard anything they said previously as shilling.
+--- 2563160
+you stupid nigger i build houses, im a general contractor, i buy tens maybe even hundreds of hardware store tarps a year.
+they're not high quality tarps.
+they're pieces of shit.
+you didn't find some money saving lifehack.
+hardware store tarps are made of the lowest grade recycled plastics and they're built for two purposes:
+- being the cheapest to produce object you could possibly legally describe as a tarp
+- getting marked up to $20 because home depot has a monopoly and they have you by the balls knowing you're losing money every minute you spend in their store. $60 of piece of shit tarps? haha just scan the card!!!
+you aren't some gigagenius that found one trick that the outdoors industry hates. there's no grand conspiracy to stop you from buying a sheet of silpoly for $7.50 a foot off the first result on google and learning how to sew a rectangle tarp. 
+that's how you actually save money. used sewing machine might cost a few more dollars than buying the tarp pre made but then you can make your own gear.
+--- 2563164
+>>2563160
+>buying bulk tarps for construction is the same as buying one for stringing up between two trees
+>just buy a sewing machine, order a bunch of fabric and make your own gear to try out camping
+okay
+--- 2563170
+>>2563160
+>i buy tens maybe even hundreds of hardware store tarps a year.
+...the good ones?
+Exactly retard...
+--- 2563172
+>>2563156
+aliexpress is chink amazon, but chinks don't use it, its their western facing market for foreigners.
+its parent site alibaba is where most of the local businesses in your city get all the stuff they sell you, and where most of the stuff you buy on amazon comes from. almost everything you see on amazon and a lot of ebay = someone in america mass bought [object] on alibaba, put it in a warehouse in your country, and charge you a premium for the logistics. its called drop shipping.
+--- 2563175
+>>2563170
+the good ones cost more than buying a 9x9 silpoly tarp from borah
+do you know what the 'good' tarps cost at home depot?
+>>2563164
+>okay
+stupid fucking water head nigger
+do you not read you monkey ape?
+>and 1/3 the cost of just buying one someone else made.
+--- 2563176
+>>2563172
+Good thing I don't buy from Amazon, then. I either order directly from the manufacturer or get stuff secondhand.
+--- 2563178
+>>2563158
+said the coin clipper who's told multiple anons to buy a hardware store tarp
+--- 2563180
+>>2563178
+No, i told you to buy a good tarp. You seem to think hardware stores only stock shitty plastic weave tarps.
+--- 2563183
+>>2563175
+Someone's mad this morning. Foreman riding your ass or something?
+--- 2563185
+>>2563176
+>I either order directly from the manufacturer
+oh, you're probably really familiar with taobao alibaba etc then. aliexpress is just alibaba trying to compete with amazon and ebay. its cheaper to handle your own logistics if you know how to, when buying direct. aliexpress is essentially just a service that handles the international logistics, holds your payment in escrow until you receive the product and release it, and gives you buyer protection in exchange for a fee. if you know how to navigate international logistics or hire an agent its not worth the cost except on small items.
+--- 2563188
+>>2563180
+what the fuck are you mumbling about retard????
+i linked you every single tarp home depot sells in store and mail order. they are all made of woven PE or HDPE. the "good" tarps are just tighter but still comically loose for this application weaves and thicker plastic. 
+go to home depot dot com and type tarp
+--- 2563189
+why would you waste money on a hardware store tarp? if you're broke just get a borah https://borahgear.com/tarps.html
+68 dollars
+good tarp
+all you need for life
+beginner expert i don't give a fuck its a 9x9 silpoly tarp
+five minute crafts lifehack pajeet retard
+--- 2563195
+>>2563189
+See >>2563137
+--- 2563196
+here i even did the math for you retard
+it costs 34 dollars for the silpoly to make that tarp
+plus the loops and thread and shit
+wow such a massive mark up for a hand made mitusa product from a small business!!
+these tarp makers are really ripping us off guise!!!1!1!1one!1
+>letting jews on /out/
+--- 2563197
+>>2563195
+see: you're retarded
+--- 2563199
+>>2563137
+clueless clown
+--- 2563200
+>>2563188
+>home depot
+Okay, now check the other dozen hardware stores everyone has within driving distance.
+--- 2563201
+>>2563197
+You really are that kinda guy, huh...
+--- 2563202
+>>2563200
+>other dozen hardware stores
+>america
+anon... you know what a monopoly is?
+--- 2563204
+>>2563202
+...do you? I have 4 hardware stores, none of which are lowes or home depot, and only one of which is a chain (with only 6 locations), in my little town of 8000 people. I get it my car? Its over.
+
+>durr america is le dystopia
+Youre a drooling schizophrenic, seek help.
+--- 2563205
+>>2563204
+>seek help
+you sound like a woman
+--- 2563206
+>>2563205
+>abandons the argument
+L delivered, thanks for playing.
+--- 2563207
+>>2563201
+anon
+read back
+do you think there's a single anon who will read your posts, read my posts, and come to the conclusion you have a single clue or fuck what you're talking about?
+you're the age of a child and have to think about stuff like using hardware store tarps because you're not a man yet. your mom and dad don't give you enough money. i'll see you in the next bug out bag or running away from home thread. your type only exists to be made fun of. you don't know anything about the outdoors. you don't belong on this board. you're a depressed incel kid who should be on /adv/ asking how to fill out job applications or /diy/ learning a skill. 70 dollars for a piece of gear that lasts for decades isn't a lot for a grown adult. that's actually about as cheap as backpacking shelters get.
+we get it your entire experience with the outdoors is living in some moderate climate where you can cowboy camp 300 days of the year and be fine.
+you didn't even ask anon where he lives.
+dude if you tell some anon to camp in a home depot tent and he lives in... canada... norway... pnw.. which are places lots of anons on this board live, that can get dangerous fast, more of the year than you'd think if you've never been to a part of the planet that actually has seasons and incliment weather. 
+the idea of someone camping in that kind of tarp where i live except maybe at the neighborhood park in the summer is 
+C
+L
+O
+W
+N
+tier.
+--- 2563208
+>>2563204
+i'm a general contractor anon. i drive all around my region doing jobs. hate to break it to you but home depot killed everything else. if you still got a local hardware store give them business 'cause they might not be around.
+--- 2563209
+>anon camping
+--- 2563210
+>>2563208
+Theyre not going anywhere, for some reason home depot and lowes just never moved into town.
+--- 2563212
+actually most of the homeless here have like $2-300 tents
+i know rei gives a lot of them out
+--- 2563214
+>>2563210
+good
+fuck home depot
+lowes isn't a real hardware store i consider it a "diy" store with a decent gardening section
+--- 2563215
+Well this devolved into a regarded argument, probably by just one guy, but who knows. The world is filled with retards.
+
+>blue tarp
+Lol
+>no no, the better one right next to it
+Lmao
+--- 2563216
+>if it rains heavy
+i don't even live that far north anon, and my weather forecast was supposed to be clear skies
+haha do you know what weather forecast means up north?
+clear day one minute. next its sideways hail. then 6 inches of snow. then icy rain. then it was sunny and 60 degrees out. all in the afternoon. 
+you can't just assume everyone lives in a moderate climate
+--- 2563231
+>>2563189
+I’d pass on a 9x9 square. 
+
+Square tarps are usually hung as a diamond, which is less than ideal. 9x9 gives you 12.7’ as a diamond, which leaves 1.5’ of coverage over an 11’ hammock hung at 30°. So I mean sure, it technically fits.
+
+The problem is wind and minimal rain cover. The sides are much more exposed to wind, and rain on an angle could more easily reach the hammock near the head and foot. 
+
+It could be hung asymmetrically, but it really depends on the tie out location. That will mitigate the risk from rain, but not really solve the wind problem. 
+
+There’s also the fact that it’s got flat 9’ edges. It takes some practice to get them perfectly pitched, whereas catenary cuts are much more forgiving. 
+
+I’m pretty sure someone (maybe Dutchware, possibly Warbonnet) was making tarps specifically with an asymmetric design. It was more similar to a hex tarp rather than a square or rectangle hung as a diamond. Dutchware definitely has asyms that are like diamonds with cat cut edges. 
+
+I don’t think they ever really caught on, and hex cat cut seems to be the most common. It makes sense; it’s the easiest to pitch, offers more reasonable coverage, and can easily be made with doors.
+--- 2563273
+>>2563207
+>getting this mad over people using cheap tarps
+Life must be hard for you
+--- 2563277
+>>2563273
+>Life must be hard for you
+this is a homeless encampment in portland oregon
+--- 2563281
+>>2563277
+>hoes mad
+>get called out for being mad
+>"Yeah, well, here's a shitty city!"
+lol wut
+--- 2563283
+>>2563281
+even the crack fiends can afford a better shelter
+--- 2563315
+>>2563283
+>some homeless junkie in Portland got his hands on a cheap tent and a blanket, so nobody should use a cheap tarp to try out camping
+holy kek
+--- 2563321
+>>2563283
+>afford
+Anon you know damn well they didnt buy that...
+--- 2563592
+>>2563231
+Borah will probably cut a larger one for the associated costs. Simply Light will too. Paria outdoors has a cheaper silnylon one and there's a few on Amazon like aquaquest which aren't bad. Alibaba and a privacy card works though.
+
+>>2563315
+Oh now it's cheap again. I thought it was the nice home Depot tarp?
+--- 2563613
+>>2563592
+Anon, I won't call you a schizo, but I will remind you that there are multiple people participating in this thread.
+--- 2563617
+>>2563592
+See >>2563158
+--- 2563632
+>>2563613
+Oh no I just can't follow the blue tarp autism is all. Ruined what turned out to be a decent thread. 
+
+Might fuck around with a 12ft hammock, will this give additional sag for comfort or will I just be drowning in fabric?
+--- 2563649
+>>2563632
+>someone pointed out that cheap tarps work fine for someone trying out camping, the thread is RUINED
+Stay mad
+--- 2563669
+Hammocks are good. Takes some trial and error to hang and use one right for your own comfort though. People already mentioned laying diagonally but that's probably the biggest first timers mistake. otherwise once you got it down its some of the most comfy sleep you can get. 
+Also regarding tarps, you can use a good one, you can use a home made one, or you can use a cheap one and patch it if holes pop up. I've had cheap flimsy tarps outlast thick double later stuff sometimes.
+--- 2563692
+>>2563613
+>Anon, I won't call you a schizo
+you really think the guy telling people to buy a hardware store tarp doesn't suffer from mental illness?
+come on now...
+heroin addicts have their life together more than that.
+>>2563617
+what kind of dumb ass post is this?
+>im a general contractor
+of course i know what alibaba is i own a small business
+--- 2563694
+>>2563649
+you've been getting clowned on by at least 3 or 4 anons for going on 24 hours now
+i haven't posted in hours, i was working, trust me i'm not the only anon making fun of you
+--- 2563697
+>>2563692
+>>2563694
+OP hooked some good ones in this thread, kek
+--- 2563708
+>>2560655
+Sorry chief but you're about an inch shy of man height.
+--- 2563715
+5'11" master race
+--- 2563724
+>>2563697
+the guy who's been recommending blue tarps for months isn't "baiting"
+--- 2563733
+>>2563724
+Is this "the guy" in the room with us right now?
+--- 2563813
+>>2563632
+It’s not so much additional sag as it is additional width. It’s somewhat counterintuitive, but a wider hammock results in unusable fabric. My Eno Doublenest has more floppy fabric on either side than any of my 12’ hammocks.
+--- 2564667
+Is setting up a one person hammock faster and easier than a one person tent?
+--- 2564671
+>>2564667
+i can pitch my cloudup 2 in a few minutes, staked out and everything. if a hammock is faster it cant by any significant amount
+--- 2564679
+>>2564671
+If you're a retard who can't into knots, it might take awhile. Otherwise, it shouldn't take more than a few minutes.
+--- 2564680
+>>2561548
+You sound like a faggot. What kind of loser brings MREs to eat while /out/ and gets mad that no one wants to roleplay with you and eat a shitty fucking MRE.
+--- 2564683
+>>2564680
+Probably a military reject
+--- 2564699
+>>2560605 (OP)
+Do I need to add and remove the bugnet for each setup/takedown? What about bags which hang off the ridgeline? Do those get left in place and packed together or fully deconstructed each time?
+--- 2564764
+>>2564667
+Not really. A hammock is faster in the sense that it takes a little less time to hang a tarp, which is really nice when it’s raining, but it’s really splitting hairs. Plus it takes some practice to know how high you want everything, how tight you want your ridge line, where your hammock ends should sit relative to your tarp, etc. 
+
+Tents are easier in the sense that anyone can figure it out and do it pretty quickly. For instance if we swapped, and I set up your tent while you set up my hammock, I’ll be done way before you because setting up moat tents doesn’t take much know how. But it would take you a bit to get my hammock right. You’d sit in it and decide it’s too low. You’d lay in it and decide the head end was too high. You’d realize it’s not centered under the tarp. And so on. 
+
+>>2564699
+Attached bug nets stay attached; some are seen to the hammock on one side with a zipper entrance in the other. If you have a net that slips over the hammock, you can leave it on if your stuff sack is large enough to accommodated both. The bags I hang from my ridge line are bags that are used for other things (suspension, hammock double ended stuff sack), but taking them off is easy. It’s just a simple larks head, passing the bag through its own cinch cord and around the ridge line. If you have a dedicated bag for your ridge line, you can leave it on when you pack everything up.
+
+If you really want to save the hassle of setting up and taking down, you can get a really large snake skin that covers literally everything; quilts, hammock, bug net, pillow, the clothes you accidentally left in there… They look really convenient but they never caught on.
+--- 2564807
+>>2564764
+Thanks, you have addressed all my concerns! I can imagine it'll take some practice to get the angles right for my hammock structural ridgeline.
+--- 2565008
+>>2561548
+How many times did everyone clap during this?
+--- 2565055
+>>2560636
+>My back doesn't like being shaped like a banana for 8 hours
+p much this desu.
+/thread
+--- 2565067
+>>2560605 (OP)
+Hammock don’t work above tree line. Hammocks suck at tree line where the trees are small and far apart where there are bushes in between said trees that are hammock height. Hammock don’t work well in proper old growth Forrest’s (PNW of North America) where the tree circumferences are massive (12’-18’) and each tree is 45’ apart. Hammocks require the same amount or more (hammock, under quilt/sleeping pad, tarp, sleeping bag, tree straps & suspension) gear than traditional sleeping systems. They’re also finicky to set up to get a flat lay. Sometimes at the end of a long day the last thing I want to do is fiddle with my whoopie slings until everything is perfect. 
+
+I fell for it for the hammock meme for a minute. They’re nice to hang & chill in for an afternoon. But a simple tarp set up on the ground is more versatile & faster overall.
+--- 2565069
+>>2565067
+Forgot to mention deserts, steppe, savanna, prairies and all of the other environments that they equally don’t work in
+--- 2565077
+>>2565067
+Shoot I am in the PNW and hope I don't struggle in campgrounds. Thankfully I'll be using snakeskins to unfurl the tarp quickly and a strap system so I don't need to fiddle with knots.
+--- 2565085
+>>2565067
+Jet skis suck because you need water to ride them.
+--- 2565087
+>>2565067
+>>2565069
+>hammocks dont work in all the places i would never go
+Based, love hammocks simple as
+--- 2565096
+>>2563137
+>They don't cost much and they work fine as long as you aren't camping in heavy rain.
+wind not rain. hardware store tarps rip very easily in even moderate wind gusts.
+the worst part about gearfag threads are all the no-experience and also poor niggers who infest these things no matter what the niche or hobby is, posting their opinions and recommendations about things they've never used, only existing as a pitfall for beginners and someone to be filtered out as white noise by everyone else.
+--- 2565098
+>>2565096
+>rip very easily in even moderate wind gusts.
+--- 2565227
+>>2565087
+>I don’t go /out
+--- 2565239
+>>2565227
+>west queers cannot comprehend the existence of desiduous woodland
+Based, stay in your rock gardens.
+--- 2565260
+>>2565096
+>someone who is just trying camping is immediately going to go out in shitty weather
+>anyone who suggests a thing I don't like has no experience and has never used that thing
+okay
+--- 2565269
+>>2565239
+Grew up south of the Mason Dixon and east of the Mississippi. You can have it.
+--- 2565290
+>>2565260
+>telling an anon who's obviously not poor and dropped $1000 to try out hammocking to buy landfill waste
+>>2565098
+yes i do think a lot of anons sit on here and post opinions all day about gear they've never used. 
+>rip very easily in even moderate wind gusts.
+everyone knows that. its common knowledge for anyone who's used one.
+--- 2565324
+>>2565067
+Called it. See:>>2560632
+>The concept of the exception isn’t easily understood by people with severe autism (aka the majority of /out). That’s where the comments about deserts and being above tree line come in. Having the inability to understand the basic mindset of others, they fail to grasp that we know about the exceptions.
+--- 2565355
+>>2565324
+i don't understand why its so hard for anons to grasp "not everyone lives in the same place on a international message board" or at the very least ask who they're replying to before automatically making assumptions.
+i live in washington, which for those of you who don't know, my entire state consists of nothing but 'exception' situations where hammocks suck dick. washington = old growth forests, tall mountains, and desert.
+if i based my opinion on hammocks based on solely my experience living in washington i'd thing they're the most useless piece of shit shelters ever.
+do i sit on outdoor forums shitting on hammocks? no, but a lot of tards on this board seem to have that mentality. not that hard to grasp that if i were to live in a different part of the world hammocks would be pretty sweet. i also benefit a lot from hammockfags existing as someone who ground sleeps in a quilt a lot of the time & uses a tarp shelter. thanks for making all that kind of gear widely and cheaply available hammock bros!
+--- 2565356
+>>2565290
+>anyone who says a thing I don't like is good for beginners is obviously suggesting it to an anon that I made up
+>it's common knowledge that a thing I have never used does a thing I have never seen because I don't like it
+lmao
+--- 2565359
+>>2565356
+>an anon that I made up
+the blue tarp was originally brought up when an anon who posted a $1000 list of gear asked if he fucked up or bought decent hammocking gear.
+read the thread idiot.
+>it's common knowledge that a thing I have never used does a thing I have never seen because I don't like it
+i use hardware store tarps at work.
+--- 2565360
+>is good for beginners 
+no it is not
+spending $60 to $80 on a good tarp is what a beginner should do.
+not wasting $15-30 on something that will leak after the first storm it sees.
+if you want a $30 tarp buy a military surplus one.
+the only value it has to a beginner is to learn basic pitches and to test out if tarp camping is for them.
+--- 2565362
+if you really can't afford a silpoly tarp just buy a military surplus one lightly damaged for $20.
+great opportunity for a beginner to learn how to repair their tarp before it happens in the field where you need the tarp.
+--- 2565365
+>tfw spent $1200 on hammock gear and haven't even laid in one before
+--- 2565386
+if you havent figured it out already most of /out/ doesn't ever go /out/. if they do it's more homeless larping than hiking.
+
+hammocks + a tarp are the way to go when hiking. car camping is whatever bring your giant ass air conditioned 30lb tent.
+--- 2565391
+>>2565386
+Yeah, generally whenever I see someone say "hey here's this thing" and anons come out of the woodwork to sperg about how terrible it is, I assume it's just fine. Simple hammock, cheap tarp, I stay comfortable and dry no matter how much anons seethe.
+--- 2565397
+>>2565391
+>Yeah, generally whenever I see someone say 
+>generally
+>wording of your post = never used one
+generally if you're inexperienced its best to lurk and listen to the opinions of people who know more than you until you have more, instead of shitting up the board by posting your opinion on gear you've never used. think and use your brain before posting. "what value does my opinion have, if i've never tried it?" this is generally good life advice not just for /out/ and if more people followed it less beginners would be given bad advice. 
+
+>cheap tarp
+cheap tarps are fine.
+you're misunderstanding or strawmanning.
+that's not what i'm saying.
+there is a large variety of kinds of cheap tarps that exist, made of different materials.
+woven PET tarps are the worst kind you can possibly choose for camping.
+the very thick 10-15mm ones are acceptable for car camping but not actual camping.
+you can get different kinds of tarps that are way better, and equally cheap.
+--- 2565398
+you're not arguing cheap vs expensive tarp
+you're arguing to buy a shittier tarp at a brick and mortar hardware store for the same price, or usually MORE expensive than buying a better cheap tarp online from a surplus place or small american/european manufacturer.
+--- 2565399
+hardware store tarps are not cheap either
+the 3mm and 5mm tarps can be considered cheap tarps, those are the ones that leak in a stiff breeze.
+the thick ones cost more than buying a proper backpacking tarp. they're not cheaper. they're both more expensive, less durable, less water resistant, heavier, bulkier, worse by every metric at that point because they're meant to be cheap mass produced covers for lumber and job sites. most of them have snap rings in them. if you know anything about tarps it weakens the material because you're cutting a circle into it. fucking 17-25 year old zoomer retards.
+--- 2565401
+>>2565391
+are you samefagging?
+i have a hard time believing even /out/ is a shit enough board to have more than 1 anon who thinks a hardware store tarp is a goog idea
+--- 2565483
+>>2565397
+>I know the thing I don't like will fail, even though I insist anons have never used it
+>>2565401
+>More than one person who disagrees with me is unrealistic
+I will continue to use a ten dollar blue tarp, it will continue to work fine, I'll continue to suggest it to newbies, and there's nothing you can do about it
+--- 2565489
+>>2560605 (OP)
+It's mostly just a couple of assholes who really hate it when other anons enjoy something; they seem to think they can actually gatekeep this shit by raging on a peruvian clogging forum
+--- 2565518
+>>2565483
+we get it you live somewhere without weather
+--- 2565541
+>>2565269
+Nobody askes
+--- 2565542
+>>2565398
+>buys a better cheaper tarp at a brick and mortar hardware store
+Heh, nothing personel
+--- 2565543
+>>2565359
+>i use hardware store tarps at work
+No you dont. Because if you did, you wouldnt think they rip at the slightest gust of wind.
+
+Alternatively you are just a retard and cause them to rip often by mishandling them.
+--- 2565561
+I did hammocks for a while and found few use cases.
+>not really rain proof
+>water runs down ropes
+>needs way more rope than you expect to hang properly
+>wind chill is really bad
+>nowhere to store gear
+>nowhere to work
+So straight away if you're dealing with adverse conditions you're looking at a hammock plus a tarp/hex, ground mat, drip line, bag hanger, hanging hooks, fly net etc etc. 
+At that point your hammock is now heavier than a regular ass backpacking tent. Some people may prefer them but I wouldn't recommend it. 
+
+I found only thee use cases. 
+A. Ultralight in fair weather.
+B. Snow when you've got trees
+C. Swamps/jungle
+I would absolutely unrecomend camping in malarial jungle or a swap, 0/10, highly unadvisable. No. But in this situation you've probably got no clear flat ground, too much rain, horrible poisonous insects, no need for a sleeping bag. 
+
+Snow is interesting and I hadn't done it myself but apparently the main advantage is that the air under the hammock acts as a cold sink, you keep a sleeping bag dry inside the hammock and wrap a second sleeping bag over the hammock, and not needing to cut into the snow so much you're less likely to be buried alive. Can't confirm.
+--- 2565580
+>>2565561
+Says
+> I did hammocks for a while
+Immediately outs himself as a liar or an abject retard by saying
+>nowhere to store gear
+>nowhere to work
+--- 2565588
+>>2565561
+>water runs down ropes
+consider typing drip knots
+>windchill bad
+use underquilt, it is just like using a sleeping bag in a tent
+--- 2565589
+>>2565588
+It’s basic shit like this that puts people as liars or retards. Anyone setting up a hammock knows you need some kind of water break (like hardware that 90% of people are already using) or to tie drip lines. He also said he used rope to hang a hammock. Who uses rope and not poly straps? People who did no research at all and just went in blind (retards), or didn’t actual do it and are just making shut up (liars).
+--- 2565611
+>>2565589
+nta but I bought a hammock recently and it came with rope. Consider that not everyone has your supposed experience with hammocks, and not everyone does research to determine what parts of a product should be immediately replaced.
+--- 2565627
+>>2565611
+>not everyone does research to determine what parts of a product should be immediately replaced.
+that's certainly true, but they certainly should.
+--- 2565660
+>>2565611
+Turns out cheap gear is crap. Who would have known?
+--- 2565683
+>>2565543
+This. I used an everbilt tarp for a while when I first started going /out/, got me by just fine. Now I have an aquaquest and use the blue tarp for yardwork.
+--- 2566006
+>>2565085
+Basketball isn’t a real sport because you have to have some kind of hoop to play. Football is a real sport because you can do it above tree line or something.
+--- 2566263
+I want to go riding long distance and wild camp the nights. 
+Last time I went to yurop some boomer I bumped into told me that hammocks are a revelation because of size and weight.
+Basically thinking of roadside tent vs hammock situation.
+--- 2566289
+>>2566263
+Nice baiku! I'm going to moto hammock camp this summer so I don't have to lug around ent poles. I don't know how I'd even use hiking poles with my ninja anyways.
+--- 2566869
+I don't dislike them but half of the time I end up using mine as a bivvy and with the extra weight of the tarp and bulk of a quilt it really does end up being a zero-sum trade off between using the hammock or a tent
+--- 2567294
+>>2561431
+You hang your pack off one side of the hammock.
+
+I like to put it on the side closest to my upper body, allowing my feet to be elevated above my heart, helping with the swelling from hiking 15-25 miles. If I want it even, ill hang my food bag on one side and my pack on the other.
+
+I used a hammock exclusively for 6 months on the Appalachian Trail.
+
+If you can't find 2 trees suitable for a hammock somewhere along a 20 mile hike through the woods you're a shortbusser.
+--- 2567453
+>>2567294
+>I used a hammock exclusively for 6 months on the Appalachian Trail.
+How the hell did you manage to hide and rape women in a hammock
+--- 2568041
+>discussion about hammocks 
+>212 replies
+>ctrl+f "Amok"
+> 0 hits 
+
+Jesus Christ, does no one actually go /out/side on this board?
+--- 2568045
+>>2568041
+
+I'd rather try a decent bridge hammock or even the meme haven hammock over that one.
+--- 2568046
+>>2568041
+I hereby dub this the "banana hammock"
+--- 2568047
+>>2568045
+Sorry, but you can't compete with its superior level for sleep, or ability to become a chair 
+
+Not going for the Draumr is just a cope for poor people
+--- 2568055
+>>2568046
+Too late
+--- 2568074
+>>2568055
+Hint- its named after an existing piece of clothing not the fruit
+--- 2568076
+>>2568074
+Yes. Dutchware understood the joke as well, and produced a hammock that looks like a banana peel.
+--- 2568097
+>>2568041
+I already bought an asymmetrical gathered end hammock. Did I make a mistake? Are 90 degrees much better?
+--- 2568101
+>>2568097
+I own a Hennessy Hammock Expedition Asym and it becomes a bitch without a wide sleeping mat like the winged ones from Klymit 
+
+The Draumr has a pocket for your sleeping mat and is way more level than my asym
+--- 2568116
+>>2568047
+God those things look so fucking gay
+--- 2568117
+>>2568097
+No you didnt make a mistake
+>>2568101
+Dont listen to this retard. Use an underquilt, not a sleeping pad
+--- 2568119
+>>2568047
+>>2568041
+Seems like a whole lot of extra fuss and weight for very little gain.
+--- 2568145
+>>2560655
+>I’m 6’ 1”
+king of the manlets
+--- 2568147
+>>2560972
+>sleeping bag
+--- 2568159
+>>2560649
+>>on your side
+You are of semitic origin and are engaging in disinformation
+--- 2568226
+I have a nice compact hammock that takes up maybe a liter of space, it sets up easier than any tent I've ever owned, finding a spot in a forested area is beyond simple, and I enjoy sleeping on my side at 6'2 without any issues.
+
+They're no good for anything below 10c, but when you hit the goldilocks zone there is no comfier feeling than having the breeze blow through your mosquito net while you listen to a nearby river.
+
+Hammock haters need to go outside more
+--- 2568418
+>>2568226
+>If you go outside more you'll like hammocks
+I don't think that's how it works, anon
+--- 2568423
+>>2568418
+Do you prefer sleeping on the floor at home?

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+-----
+--- 2560917
+What's some good/outlit/
+--- 2560929
+bump
+--- 2560952
+i really like Mors Kochanski´s "Bushcraft"
+other then that i only have various mushroom/plant/tree identification books, and raising kids with nature in mind stuff
+--- 2561064
+>>2560917 (OP)
+I’ve read this, tl:dr is anything modern is garbage, do it the old fashioned way. But this book is more for extended wilderness survival rather than backpacking trips
+--- 2561230
+>>2560917 (OP)
+I'll try and post some of the books I've purchased on a whim, but I can't comment about the quality beyond the cursory glance I've given them
+--- 2561245
+>>2560917 (OP)
+>>2561230
+First and most inconsequential: General Survival guide.
+Ask other anon's about their preferences and go-to's, this is just the one I bought myself. 
+It contains a brief glance at survival skills you might rely on in a short term survival situation, some of which will be important to your day-to-day camping and hiking. Knots are good example, which this book does have a few of, and is much more intuitive to use over searching it on your phone at a whim.
+--- 2561256
+>>2560917 (OP)
+>>2561245
+Slow tech: novel hand-made techniques and methods. 
+I most fondly remember a sections regarding extracting plant dyes; yellow/brown onions being a mainstay. Most involving simmering the onion skins and adding the clothing afterwards, another section added spinach for vibrant green colours.
+Beyond that it's mainly a guide for simple /out/ recipes or ideas you can do in or away from home: 
+Beer (ginger/brew)
+Fire/wood
+Clay/ovens 
+Meat (meals and prep)
+Stone working (flint, Drystone)
+Water treatment
+--- 2561257
+>>2560920
+Based. Unironically.
+--- 2561267
+>>2560917 (OP)
+>>2561256
+Ray Mears is a reliable source as I've heard in person and beyond. This piece serves as a nice Introduction to simple and advanced /out/ knowledge: from navigation and compass to animal tracking, knots, fires and survival miscellaneous.
+--- 2561270
+>>2561267
+More Ray Mears: more advanced material and methods, including cutting tools, shelter, more knots, extreme environments and a more biographical read; involving personal experience and suggestions.
+--- 2561519
+Gary Paulsen books. Alternately, My Side of the Mountain. Classics.
+--- 2561750
+>>2560917 (OP)
+The introduction you can just tear out and use for fire starter
+--- 2562537
+>>2560917 (OP)
+The entire Foxfire series is pretty good.
+--- 2562566
+>>2562537
+Seconding this.
+--- 2562586
+Where the red fern grows
+Hatchet
+Fellowship of the ring
+--- 2562711
+>>2561750
+Truly one of the best /out/ recommended books I’ve read.
+Also desert solitaire.
+--- 2562721
+details surveying the 49th parallel in 1857, i gave this book to my grandpa who surveyed alaska for the pipeline way back when and he got a real kick out of it.
+--- 2562922
+this book makes ultralightfags seethe
+--- 2562924
+>>2562586
+>Where the red fern grows
+yup, timeless book
+--- 2562961
+>>2562711
+Reading it at the crack of dawn with some power bait on the line and fresh brewed coffee in hand is kino
+--- 2563562
+>>2561064
+>do it the old fashioned way
+what do you mean? trial and error?
+--- 2563568
+>>2560920
+--- 2563570
+>>2560920
+>>2563568
+--- 2563607
+FM 21-76 US Army Survival Manual
+--- 2563608
+>>2560917 (OP)
+I recently read this and I also read his book Camping and Woodcraft. they are both great , the our southern highlands is more focus what an interesting place the smokies used to be, it makes me sad to see the strip at pigeon forge and gatlinburgh, I rather be lost in the rhododendron. His book on camping and wood craft , is a camping guide from 100 years ago but pretty much still sums up the thoughts and arguments of backpacking that I still on this board today. But the biggest difference is his gear is so different but there something to learn in learning the meta of a past day. He has work arounds for antibiotics with using different antiseptics and medicines. one of my favorite /out/ books
+--- 2563665
+>>2563608
+I'll check this book out. Trying to figure out which of the versions on Amazon is the best lmao.
+--- 2564058
+>>2563608
+>>2563665
+https://www.gutenberg.org/files/31709/31709-h/31709-h.htm
+--- 2566209
+This a shitpoast thread
+bummp
+--- 2567287
+>>2566209
+Here is a real recommendation. Read picrel or A week on the Concord and Merrimack. The comfiest of comfy
+--- 2567377
+my side of the mountain, truly inspirational sense childhood.

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+-----
+--- 2561132
+>drive to "outdoor world"
+>it's a building you have to go inside of
+--- 2561135
+>>2561132 (OP)
+It's a good place to buttfuck a boomers wife down in the cuddy cabin some of the display boats have
+--- 2561139
+>>2561135
+Greentext, por favor
+--- 2561142
+>>2561132 (OP)
+>go to American national park
+>it’s all Chinese and Indians
+--- 2561143
+>>2561132 (OP)
+it's not even the entire world, either
+--- 2561150
+>>2561139
+>frott my cock and gargle my shit spackled balls
+How's that for a green text?
+--- 2561155
+>>2561150
+This. We already have obnoxious cuck fantasies spamming up the porn boards, go read them there.
+--- 2561175
+>>2561135
+The only part of this I believe is that you and buttfucking are related
+--- 2561211
+>>2561132 (OP)
+>posts on /out/
+--- 2561232
+>>2561211
+i posted with wifi sitting in a forest
+--- 2561237
+>>2561232
+are you sure
+--- 2561251
+>>2561237
+it's possible tbdesu
+--- 2561259
+>>2561175
+r/murderedbywords
+--- 2561271
+>>2561150
+Use your words, ESL poster. I know it's hard.
+--- 2561823
+>>2561132 (OP)
+Ironically modern americans are some of the most /in/ people on earth living in their mcmansions and driving any and everywhere.
+--- 2561867
+>>2561135
+take their daughter instead, and it becomes the cunny cabin
+--- 2562173
+>>2561132 (OP)
+This is like a Mitch Hedberg joke and it made me laugh, OP.
+--- 2563921
+>>2561142
+You're thinking of Canada, m8
+--- 2564251
+>>2561132 (OP)
+>Bass Pro
+>all of the aquarium bass are amateurs
+--- 2564286
+>>2561132 (OP)
+>outdoor world
+>it's not even the size of pluto
+--- 2564431
+>>2561251
+I get into arguments on /lit/ while doing field work
+--- 2564437
+>>2561132 (OP)
+>trail runners
+>people walk in them
+--- 2564508
+>>2561132 (OP)
+>Sport Utility Vehicle
+>Has no utility while playing sports
+--- 2564619
+>water bottle
+>has no water
+--- 2564682
+>>2561259
+>r/murderedbywords
+Get the fuck out of here you reddit nigger.
+--- 2564730
+>>2561867
+kek
+--- 2564808
+>Bass Pro Shop
+>Not one musical instrument in sight
+--- 2564810
+>Buy Tasmanian Tiger backpack
+>It´s made for humans
+--- 2565040
+>bring walking stick with me to the trail
+>it just fucking sits there
+--- 2565049
+>>2561132 (OP)
+>decline trail
+>do it anyway
+--- 2565587
+>buy sleeping bag
+>have trouble finding sleep in it
+--- 2567848
+>>2561259
+Kill yourself
+--- 2567866
+>>2561132 (OP)
+>mountain bike
+>not even made of stone
+--- 2567885
+>>2561132 (OP)
+>bushcraft
+>You don't actually craft a bush.
+--- 2567900
+>>2565040
+Underrated
+--- 2567902
+>>2565587
+You meant to say "it's wide awake" you fuckup

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+-----
+--- 2561242
+I've seen a few posts and videos about digging burrows or underground "habitats"/foxholes/living spaces, and I'd really like to make my own.
+I remember a breif /k/ thread on the subject, but I think I'd get more on-topic and informative posts here. Preferably making a space I can sleep in and expand in future.
+I'm trying to remember a few suggestions I had heard; I think it was digging soon after rain fall was better, and so on. 
+Any suggestions and material are welcome.
+--- 2561246
+We used to have MGTOWUG threads about guys that wanted to excape from women by living underground and raising goats
+--- 2561247
+>>2561246
+I should try and find those, might prove useful, apart from the escaping women part. I'd still like to talk to femoids on the odd occasion.
+--- 2561290
+>>2561242 (OP)
+Just start digging, king.
+--- 2561294
+>>2561242 (OP)
+>I remember a breif /k/ thread on the subject
+--- 2561301
+>>2561242 (OP)
+https://archived.moe/out/thread/993741/
+--- 2561312
+>>2561294
+I'm an old fag. What ever happened to the guy on /diy/ who legit brought an old military bunker? Lol
+
+Was known as bunker bro.
+--- 2561323
+>>2561242 (OP)
+> bucket
+--- 2561327
+Search for dugout cabin on YouTube. Stick 
+ with something like that. Tunnels can get you killed if you don't know what you're doing.
+--- 2561340
+>>2561242 (OP)
+I got you senpai
+https://underminers.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/disco_daves_tunnelling_guide_pdf_version_kf.pdf
+--- 2561405
+>>2561340
+
+In the event that your headlamp dies, the glow coming off this PDF can provide more than enough light to navigate safely under almost any conditions.
+--- 2561479
+>>2561242 (OP)
+Have some digging music
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG3D6wgdGVQ [Embed]
+--- 2561486
+>>2561242 (OP)
+How do I make a chamber to hide Sadam Hussain?
+--- 2561503
+>>2561486
+Entrance hidden by dirt and rubble
+6ft
+Air vent
+Fan
+--- 2561832
+>>2561247
+you will be much happier with the goats , they dont hate you just for being short
+--- 2561839
+>>2561486
+The authentic version is a shitty hole in the ground. You can do better anon, give Saddam a hole worth hiding in.
+--- 2562178
+Depends on the soil. Also do not listen to the whispers that tell you to dig deeper and abandon the overworld.
+--- 2562294
+>>2561832
+How did you know
+--- 2562305
+>>2561242 (OP)
+Pic related is well worth a read.
+--- 2564096
+>>2561290
+this king clearly knows which hole he prefers being inside of
+--- 2564630
+>>2562294
+I am one with the goats
+--- 2564663
+It's a lot harder than you think. Easier would be finding 2 downed trees parallel of each other, cutting old branches to size of roof and mudding it
+https://youtu.be/VcCrU6PTz_0 [Embed]
+--- 2565133
+>>2561312
+He dug too deep, very sad.
+--- 2565142
+>>2561312
+probably fared better than that anon who decided to bury a bunch of containers
+--- 2565347
+>>2561312
+He was issued a cease and desist for posting images of his bunker online since his country’s government had other bunkers with the same layout. Pretty sure he still posts on /diy/ sometimes but has not posted a new picture in years due to legal stuff.
+--- 2568053
+>>2561242 (OP)
+where's saddam hussein

out/2561284.txt

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+-----
+--- 2561284
+Hey guys I recently got some land and I hope to build a homestead, with most of it being my own forest and a small area to grow stuff. It's in a tropical area, it mostly looks like this right now except for a small area with the house. 
+I'm going to be honest here, I'm kind out of my league here and lost. How to I start clearing it?
+Ignoring legal requirements, everything regarding that is already taken care of.
+--- 2561286
+I have a guy that will take care of the non native trees, I'll even get some cash out of it. Then I'm thinking about using a weedwacker?
+--- 2561291
+>>2561286
+>weedwhacker
+What you really need is a bush hog. They’re pretty expensive but you can rent them.
+--- 2561296
+>>2561291
+I don't know how to deal with the wood tho, I'll keep the trees, and cut around it, that's how I'm going to start.
+--- 2561304
+>>2561296
+Bush hogging is obviously the easiest choice, or a tractor with a bush hog attachment. Although I have a neighbor that has done some of his land with just normal hand-tools and using a chainsaw to clear out low hanging branches. It's going to take a long ass time and a ton of work though.
+--- 2561320
+Is this Florida? 
+Looks like Florida.
+--- 2561452
+>>2561320
+Southeast Brazil. 
+>>2561304
+I found some for same, somewhat affordable, they can take care of branches too? 
+Also how much is a long ass time? I have the rest of my life to spend there so I don't really mind time.
+--- 2562747
+>>2561284 (OP)
+>Hey guys I moved into a forest now I'm going to cut it all down
+ah, this thread again
+--- 2562846
+>>2561284 (OP)
+Depending on how much land you need to clear, you can also try using goats. The biggest investment when it comes to those guys though is the fencing to contain them and the daily maintenance if you can't be in the area every day.
+--- 2562898
+>>2561291
+
+Naaaah... just use goats. You'll get a thorough weedcutting job done, healthy milk and meat. Goats arent expensive at all and they chew twigs, weeds and even tree saplings.
+--- 2562900
+>>2562747
+knegg ;)
+--- 2563048
+Damn this looks like fun but i saw youre in brazil so fuck snakes and tarantulas
+Just get like a quarter ounce of meth. Youll figure out the rest
+--- 2563069
+>>2563048
+Stop being a bitch
+--- 2563976
+>>2562747
+Not at all, I got 50 acres. By law I need to keep 20%, but I doubt I'll ever come close to using 10% of the land. I'm opening a 2 acre area for my house and stuff, then another 2 acres to grow stuff, and that should be it. The rest will be paths to my lake, river, areas to chill. The entire property is located inside a conservation area, I got all the permits and environmental impact reports. 
+>>2563048
+Met a tarantula on day one, pretty chill. There's a fuckload of snakes there but they leave when they hear me, I haven't seen one yet, just hear them leaving. 
+>>2562846
+I'm worried about snakes getting them :(
+--- 2564001
+>>2563976
+>Clear-cuts 4 Acres for bullshit
+>Clears another 2 acres worth of roads and trails
+4 is 8% of 50 and you're not counting roads--you're already probably at 10% you fucking retard.
+--- 2564013
+>>2564001
+I could clear cut 40 acres for bullshit. I've decided not to. Stop bitching.
+--- 2564017
+>>2561304
+>bro just buy a tractor for weeds
+Pure larp food
+--- 2564392
+>>2564013
+>I don't actually care about the forest and would cut it down out of spite
+To my zero surprise, parasite.
+--- 2565219
+A mower, a weedwacker, and a chainsaw will get you most of the way there. Clearing land is fun as fuck and very satisfying. Have fun with jt
+--- 2565220
+>>2564017
+You know you can rent stuff right?
+--- 2565223
+>>2563976
+>The entire property is located inside a conservation area
+>conservation area
+>Can clear cut down 80% of it
+Lol, fucking third world shitholes.
+--- 2565225
+>>2561284 (OP)
+au? what region
+--- 2565229
+>>2564392
+>all people should live in concrete blocks as far away from nature as possible 
+Fuck off klaus.
+--- 2565230
+>>2564392
+>american reading comprehension
+--- 2565231
+>>2564013
+He’s too dumb to realize that had some one else bought it, the entire area would get turned into pasture or a subdivision.
+
+Don’t listen to em, he’s either got a case of sour grapes or it’s a dumb college kid hopped up armchair idealism from his fucking dorm room.
+--- 2567506
+>>2561452
+Save the pine trees, get to work with a machete, anon.
+--- 2567620
+Is this Atlantic rainforest? Looks like the place where I lived in northern Argentina
+--- 2567621
+>>2561452
+>Southeast Brazil.
+so Atlantic rainforest indeed. What the fuck OP, there's less than 15% of it remaining. Don't cut that shit
+
+>>2563048
+Tarantulas are cool. It's phoneutria fera and phoneutria nigriventer you need to look out for
+--- 2568244
+>>2567621
+I already got the permits, engineer that did enviromental impact studies. I'm bringing down all the eucalyptus that was planted back in the day for wood, which will help the native flora. Idk why you guys are talking like I'm going to clear everything, it was me and the other two neighboring hippies (idk they seem alternative) that decided to use this land for this instead of selling it to become an airfield.
+--- 2568336
+>>2568244
+How much did that land cost?
+--- 2568529
+>>2568244
+That's good anon. I hope you enjoy your forest homestead. Do yourself a favor and plant a couple ubajai (idk what you call it portuguese) trees. Enjoy the most delicious fruit known to man
+--- 2568550
+>>2568244
+People are going to assume the worst because they (seemingly like you) want to see the forest thrive and are all too used to the story of someone buying a plot of forest and turning it into a playground.
+People think you should just buy the land and do nothing with it, as if you live for a plot of land. I understand that reality isn't so simple. Thank you for doing what you can to preserve the slice of nature you are blessed to inhabit.

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+-----
+--- 2561370
+trying to do my first ever project, mapping out my local forest that stretches between two towns, any tips from fellow enthusiasts?
+--- 2561372
+fyi, living in the uk we dont have any regular trail maps unless theyre big parks, so i dont have any point of reference, also i will be using itak as recommended by a friend but id love any suggestions
+--- 2561398
+On the top pick notice how the branches grow to one side, all of the trees do this but hard to get a good pic? I was in a small valley and the branches only grow towards the sun because on the non branch side the light never hits due to the valley. Well it gets pretty windy in the fall and winter so those branches act like a sail and eventually twist the tree, second pic. When those branches get blown out of the sun side they die and new ones sprout up on the leading edge of the sunlight. Eventually over hundreds of years they look like the bottom pic.
+
+When the trees get bound up the "relax" and make a bang/pop/smack noise, it happened right in front of me once and I saw tree sawdust. Now you know where a Bigfoot Knock comes from.
+--- 2561468
+>>2561398
+>Now you know where a Bigfoot Knock comes from
+Its usually not just one knock. I've experienced the bigfoot knocks before and they lasted for half an hour in two directions and abruptly stopped at the same time in both directions
+--- 2561572
+>>2561372
+No idea how it works in bongland, but I was able to get a basic map from my local city government. I used that and caltopo that had a lot of older and useful maps for the area (elevation, stream/ponds marked, etc). I walked the trail using my phone GPS to double check distances with the streams/ponds/elevation changes used as landmarks to map the actual trail route. Then when I got done marking all the trails on the outdated maps, I overlapped the outdated map with a newer survey map that was made recently to copy all the trails over.
+
+I had absolutely no idea what I was doing going in to it, as it's the first and probably last time I made a map, but it turned out mostly accurate even though the final picture was just a red line on top of endless trees with a few of the bigger landmarks just circled and written in as text. I wish I could've made it a bit more stylistic, but I'm not an artist or a map maker so I just focused on making it as accurate as I could.
+--- 2562153
+>>2561370 (OP)
+Get an Ipad with gps, install fieldmove, import a satellite image and you can use it as a basemap and draw maps and rock units/ trees on it as you go. The gps can get fucked up with heavy tree cover or in gullies so use your brain when marking stuff and make sure that you correlate stuff that you're marking down with stuff you can actually see.
+source - I am a field geologist and create bedrock maps of the western US
+--- 2562155
+>>2562153
+of course this has a barrier to entry of the cost of the ipad, but if you want I guess go out there with a compass and get good at measuring distance with your stride. try to walk in straight lines and record your bearing and how far you walked in a direction before changing directions. take notes of what you see along the way. the fieldmove method is pretty good because you can take pictures that are geotagged with your gps location so you dont have to guess where the cool pictures you take are actually from.
+--- 2562746
+>>2561372
+>>2561572
+GIS data is attainable for all first world countries.
+>>2562153
+Imagine spending all that time and money to map a trail that's like 5k long.
+--- 2563567
+>>2562746
+I was about to mention GIS. Something I've been thinking about learning for a long time. Considering it as a possible carrier path and a hobby. I'm good with computers but also very /out/
+Any suggestions? Not OP by the way.
+--- 2563661
+>>2561572
+>caltopo
+this
+--- 2563999
+>>2563567
+There are lots of free GIS data providers--depends where you live and what features you plan on using. It's usually better just to get maps from regional producers than to figure it all out on your own. Custom Correct, for example, has very up to date (Using GIS data) maps for Western Washington.
+It's hard to get good cartography training not associated with a cartography degree outside of the military.... I think you can get some sort of certificate for GIS online though.
+--- 2564479
+>>2561370 (OP)
+GPS will be the most straightforward. Look into getting forecasts for best accuracy, both in available constellation and also atmospheric issues. Cheap way to fake accuracy is take the spatial average of a cluster of points for each feature you want to map. It'll be hard if you have heavy tree cover though. 
+
+>>2563567
+>>2563999
+Take a look at the ESRI website, they occasionally offer 'MOOCs' which are free online courses where they give you access to their software. There's a cartography course being offered right now I think but it closes April12th. Other option would be using QGIS and following along with online tutorials. For data a good start is searching "County/State Open GIS Data". In the USA there's generally pretty good data availability, especially through national sources, the USGS has lots.
+--- 2564483
+>>2564479
+https://www.esri.com/training/mooc/
+I'll also dump a crap load of reference links they had for one of the courses.
+--- 2564488
+>>2564483
+Most of the links weren't useful turns out. Here's 3:
+> https://chollinger.com/blog/2023/01/qgis-is-the-mapping-software-you-didnt-know-you-needed/
+>https://shadedrelief.com/
+>https://introduction-to-cartography-learngis.hub.arcgis.com/
+Thanks for coming to my tedtalk. Back to lurking.
+--- 2566108
+>>2564479
+>>2564483
+>>2564488
+Based GIS sperg

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+-----
+--- 2561390
+Do the benefits of nordic walking poles outweight the disadvantages of looking like a fag/senior citizen?
+--- 2561392
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Here's a hiking pro tip: In the woods, there are sticks everywhere. They are literally lying on the ground.
+--- 2561395
+>>2561390 (OP)
+as a 28 year old, with 4 hip joint breaks, shin one tome and ankle, fuck it idunno
+
+whatever gets you /out/ get outdoors
+--- 2561411
+>>2561390 (OP)
+>”Nordic walking sticks”
+>immediate response about free sticks in the woods
+tiresome
+--- 2561413
+>>2561392
+You must enjoy pulling splinters out of your hands
+--- 2561416
+>>2561413
+Do you not wear gloves while /out/ >?
+--- 2561424
+>>2561416
+Do you wear gloves between April and November? Because if you do, you'll look like an even bigger dork than anyone using trekking poles.
+--- 2561426
+>>2561392
+You’ve never camped more than a few days, and only in fair weather. You’re fat. You’ve never backpacked more than a few miles, and even then your focus was on camping rather than hiking. You don’t even know the difference between camping and hiking. Your feet are softer than the inside of a vagina. You think pemmican and whole potatoes are a good choice for hiking food. You don’t have a plan (probably the most important). You think pack weight isn’t important. You have no idea what you’re doing.
+--- 2561526
+>>2561392
+My car payments are more than your rent
+--- 2561528
+>>2561526
+Heh
+--- 2561529
+if you're too concious about nordic walking poles then wait for people to find out you use 4chan
+i don't use them (maybe yet) but come on, do you go /out/ constantly thinking
+>holy shit if someone sees me like this then they will laugh
+or do you want to enjoy nature? you go /out/ to literally not give a fuck about people, we all do. so continue, carry on doing what you want as long as you're not littering or burning down the entire forest.
+>>2561416
+if it's too cold or you are building something then yes, otherwise you can as well use a fucking hazmat suit when /out/, same separation from nature, faggot. if you want to see nature and not touch it then keep on watching tv.
+--- 2561576
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Caring about how you look is pretty dumb anon
+--- 2561578
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Poles taken a significant amount of stress off your knees. This may be insignificant to you now, but in 30 years you will regret not using poles on steep trails.
+--- 2561592
+>>2561526
+What kind of fag doesn't pay for his car in full?
+Are you poor or something?
+--- 2561606
+>>2561390 (OP)
+>disadvantages of looking like a
+Are you a 16 year old girl? If not, you shouldn't care.
+--- 2561714
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Let me think now...
+>looking like a fag or a senior citizen
+OR
+>falling down the mountain
+Hmm.
+Tough choice.
+--- 2561720
+>>2561426
+Pemmican is great food anon. So is rockahominy. There's a reason all outdoorsman utilized it so strongly, white and injun
+--- 2561760
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Honestly I‘ve never even had that thought cross my mind until I saw it here. If people see me im on a trail and im carrying a tent and walking faster than 95% of the other hikers. If they judge me they‘ll probably think im obnoxiously try-harding rather than gay and old.
+--- 2561771
+Nordic? It's muhdic, newfag
+--- 2561772
+Pics are today at 6400'
+--- 2561774
+Poles are useful I like em
+--- 2561779
+>>2561592
+I get zero percent financing. You bet I'm always going to take an interest-free loan. I can invest that money and make a nice return and pay off the loan with depreciating dollars
+--- 2561781
+>>2561592
+>he thinks that its poorfag behavior to take advantage of cheap capital
+
+Lol
+--- 2561784
+>>2561416
+I wear gloves because I live in a green hell filled with rash-causing plants and caterpillars
+--- 2561802
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Does wearing shoes outweigh the disadvantage of looking like a fag?
+Does using an umbrella in the rain outweigh the disadvantage of looking like a fragile senior?
+
+Who even gets these thoughts? Sounds like insanity/madness.
+--- 2561808
+>>2561720
+I love when that copy pasta strikes so close to home that you larping faggots can’t help but feel directly insulted.
+--- 2561810
+>>2561802
+>Who even gets these thoughts?
+
+The people described in >>2561426
+--- 2562084
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Yes, now stop being a /fa/ggot.
+--- 2562127
+>>2562084
+colorado or california?
+--- 2562132
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Why do you care what people think when you're out? Such strange behaviour
+--- 2562160
+>>2561426
+>he bought the fag sticks
+--- 2562202
+>>2562160
+
+See: >>2561808
+--- 2562203
+>>2561390 (OP)
+I am a fag senior citizen though
+--- 2562232
+>>2561390 (OP)
+they make your ankles weak and actually increase the probability that you'll roll your ankle
+--- 2562242
+>>2562232
+The only piece of equipment or gear that has ever increased the likelihood of me rolling an ankle are trailrunners.
+--- 2562245
+>>2561413
+are your hands so soft and fragile that simply grasping a piece of wood will shred your palms to pulp?
+--- 2562248
+>>2561526
+>pod consumer
+Pathetic
+--- 2562257
+>>2562245
+Anyone can get deep splinters and possible complications from them. Imagine dealing with this shit because you were afraid that someone might think you're a fag
+https://www.livescience.com/65710-should-you-always-remove-splinters.html
+--- 2562265
+>>2562232
+nothing makes your ankles weak permanently like repeatedly rolling them with full body weight+ like you would without walking poles. 
+Just do strengthening exercises and protect yourself with the poles and you'll be good
+--- 2562284
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Carry a rifle like a man.
+--- 2562309
+>>2562257
+You should probably just stay indoors where it's safe
+--- 2562311
+>>2562232
+No they don't.
+--- 2562380
+>>2561413
+Do you really believe this anon
+--- 2562427
+>>2562309
+>your only two options are using a stick from the ground or staying home
+
+>>2562380
+I had it happen just a few weeks ago so yes
+--- 2562520
+>>2561808
+It doesn't matter about the copypasta, it's about the message
+--- 2562533
+>>2562427
+If you're scared of splinters from every random stick, then yes, you should stay home.
+--- 2562549
+>>2562127
+Up in WA actually.
+--- 2562553
+>>2561390 (OP)
+I do like feeling unencumbered for parts of some hikes, but using them especially when the terrain is more difficult just massively increases my endurance. Plus having 3 points of contact at all times on more treacherous sections of trail is enormously helpful. Who are you trying to look cool for in the woods anyways?
+--- 2562565
+>>2562427
+Idk just don't pick up a splintery stick it's not that hard
+--- 2562578
+>>2562533
+Get fucked you authoritarian freak who insists that everyone else must do things his way or not at all. You're exactly the type of person I go /out/ to get away from. 
+
+>>2562565
+Or just buy a better one and have it for life. It's not that expensive.
+--- 2563834
+>>2561390 (OP)
+
+Bought some for helping me get through some ankle issues. Got through the issues with them and I'd never go back. Crossing rivers is way better, checking that you're about to stand on solid ground is awesome when you're in terrain that can have all sorts of holes and crumbly soft stuff. Pointing at stuff with your poles is awesome. Slippery ground, going down hill, going up hill. I use them help prop up my tarp when I make camp. The benefits go on and on and on, why the hell do we walk on two legs its shit. 
+
+Only downside is carrying a rifle with them isn't all that great.
+--- 2563860
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Yes. For some people they mught not outweigh the drawbacks, but this isn't a situation where form should rival function
+--- 2563895
+If you look like a fag with poles, then losing the poles isn't going to help you. 
+Stay in the Bay, faggets
+--- 2564215
+>>2561771
+Ive just vicariously saved all your images. Curious as to where this is
+--- 2564234
+>>2564215
+Northern end of the Crystal Range in the Eldorado Natl forest.
+--- 2564595
+>>2561390 (OP)
+>Do the benefits of nordic walking poles outweight the disadvantages of looking like a fag/senior citizen?
+only if you're using a trekking pole design tent.
+if you think about it, its just a multi functional tent pole and free weight.
+--- 2564596
+>>2561392
+>pro
+>there are sticks everywhere
+anon are you retarded?
+there are entire biomes without a single tree.
+--- 2564598
+>>2562565
+there is no excuse other than poorfaggotry or laziness to not either buy a good stick (which comes with a lot of upsides like lighter weight and collapsibility so you can climb with them) or at least select a good stick out in the woods, bring it home, give it some finishing and keep it.
+--- 2564599
+in what retard's world does it make sense to spend a half hour finding a decent stick every time i go hiking? why would i not just buy a stick at that point? i go hiking all the time. that adds up to a lot of wasted time i could be on the trail. sticks also don't exist in half of my state.
+--- 2565011
+>>2561390 (OP)
+So what's the point of walking poles at all other than for checking snow depth? Genuinely curious, I find them to be a hinderance in rough terrain and in particular thick bush. Maybe I'm just using them incorrectly and have yet to see the light.
+--- 2565038
+>>2565011
+They're good for balance and stability when crossing streams and descending slopes down to waterfall bases. They take pressure off your knees on steep descents and are also useful on inclines. They help you look out for rattlers when you're hiking through grassy or bushy areas. And some people use them as poles for makeshift, lightweight shelters.
+--- 2567423
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Poles are poles. Use them when overloaded to save your back. 
+
+Staves are for the poor. They're much more versatile.
+
+I went traipsing around uninhabited private land once. So hilly I had to cut a sapling for a staff to get back out. 
+
+Still have the staff.
+--- 2567455
+>>2561390 (OP)
+Hiking pole tents have turned poles into net 0 downside gear addition.
+You can even have a base setup. Using a single pole tent at camp, and taking the spare for walkabouts.
+--- 2567474
+>>2561526
+>I make bad financial decisions
+this one's the funniest to me
+--- 2567476
+>>2561779
+or you could purchase a car you can afford, which you did not because you had to borrow the money on a depreciating asset
+you are not a financially smart person, you're someone who couldn't afford to purchase a car
+--- 2567478
+>>2561781
+>he thinks having to borrow money means he's good with money
+good goy
+--- 2568183
+>>2564598
+you shouldn't be outside without a bush axe anyway.
+--- 2568520
+>>2562232
+imagine being so frail that walking in the woods is dangerous. Sad!

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+-----
+--- 2561476
+Snow puff
+--- 2561478
+Unironically the best thread of the whole board. Does it tell more about the thread or the board, that i dare not throw speculations about.
+--- 2561583
+I fucking love nature
+--- 2561599
+me and the boys after the last polar plunge of the year
+--- 2561600
+>>2561476 (OP)
+A thread died for this shit post...
+--- 2561611
+stay puffed lil ice nigga
+--- 2561676
+>>2561600
+Oh yeah a thread about boots died for a decent picture of a snow hare. Such a major loss.
+--- 2562346
+>>2561676
+>>>/an/ is more appropriate for this thread
+--- 2562364
+I fucking love science.
+--- 2562399
+>>2562346
+Now it's /out/
+--- 2562406
+>>2562399
+Are they tasty?
+--- 2562411
+snow puff
+--- 2562502
+>>2561476 (OP)
+cute!
+
+>>2562399
+>internet screenshots are more /out/ than oiutdoors OC
+i hate nu-/out/ists so much
+--- 2562571
+>>2561476 (OP)
+bnuuy
+
+>>2562399
+chonk bnuuy
+--- 2563650
+>>2562399
+How would you even see that thing on the tundra?
+--- 2563654
+>>2562406
+compared to what would be the easier guestion
+--- 2563655
+>>2563650
+carefully
+
+>>2562406
+no idea, maybe? they are ought to be fattier than normal bunnies
+--- 2563658
+>>2563654
+>>2563655
+I'd eat one.
+--- 2563666
+>>2563658
+honestly i dont even remember how hare stew tastes like and i just saw 2 of them going by my window an hour ago
+--- 2563698
+>>2561476 (OP)
+im wearing a hoodie made out of these guys right now
+--- 2563909
+>>2561478
+>t***** ruins the thread immediately
+--- 2564104
+land sea bunny
+--- 2566212
+>>2561611
+it's icigga
+--- 2566520
+>>2562399
+NOOOOOOO NOT THE SNOWY PUFFERINO

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+-----
+--- 2561551
+Is this jade, /out/ ?
+--- 2561554
+>>2561551 (OP)
+Nobody can say from a picture, but if you have to ask, the answer is no. If you really want to be certain that I'm right, you should do a specific gravity test. I'm assuming youre hoping this is nephrite?
+--- 2561556
+>>2561551 (OP)
+I should also add that nephrite is translucent, so if you shine a flashlight on it in the dark, you should be able to see the light permeating the stone. Just from this rocks appearance, I would say it does not appear to have translucence.
+--- 2561557
+>>2561554
+I dont know much about jade, but nephrite would be my guess too.
+--- 2561559
+No. That's a rock.
+--- 2561560
+>>2561556
+It is translucent, you just dont see on the picture.
+--- 2561561
+Here is some real nephrite I collected last year
+--- 2561566
+>>2561561
+If my rock had a smooth surface it would look like yours i think.
+It is quite rough.
+Where did you find that?
+--- 2561569
+>>2561566
+I disagree, I think your stone is an ultramafic rock. Do a specific gravity test and report back. Also put a magnet on it. Is it magnetic?
+--- 2561591
+>>2561569
+It is magnetic.
+--- 2561601
+>>2561591
+Then it ain't jade
+--- 2562450
+>>2561551 (OP)
+That looks like some sort of pegmatite to me 
+
+Check out this emerald I found in some feldspar and quartz
+--- 2563768
+>>2562450
+noice
+--- 2563772
+>>2562450
+Pegmatite ass
+--- 2563784
+>>2561551 (OP)
+that's a cannonball from blackbeard's ship. I would urge you to put it down but I'm afraid it's too late... you're cursed now.
+--- 2563789
+>>2561551 (OP)
+not sure honestly but i did get this from a smoke shop today and I dont think they realized they just handed me free money i did a bit of sanding to see the color
+--- 2563849
+>>2561551 (OP)
+No it isn't. 
+
+Jade looks like its all melted like a very dense glass. And you cannot scratch it with the end of your knife.
+--- 2563873
+>>2563789
+This looks like a low quality opal or perhaps just not polished
+--- 2563973
+>>2563789
+labradorite. not rare, but pretty
+--- 2564051
+>>2563973
+>labradorite
+cool, is it worth anything in the gem market?
+--- 2564294
+>>2563789
+hmmmm
+--- 2564650
+>>2564051
+not very much
+--- 2565134
+>>2561551 (OP)
+that's a green diamond. 
+Holy shit don't tell anyone about this. 
+Or they'll rob u
+--- 2565670
+> be me
+> hiking in California 
+> find a green glassy rock 
+> 8-10 pounds
+> neat
+> think man this would make fantastic flints for my flintlock because it flakes so nicely and sparks on steel
+> start napping down the rock a piece at a time
+> sell a fuck ton of flints out to other mountain man reenactors. 
+> geologist bro visits
+> talk about churt and flint
+> bring up my green rock
+> what green rock?
+> show geo bro and geo bro nearly has a heart attack, stroke and cancer all atbthe same time.
+> turns out my 10 pound hunk of jade was worth some $250-500 bucks. 
+
+Oh well.
+--- 2565866
+>>2565670
+That wasn't jade retard. California jade is nephrite, aka one of the toughest natural materials on earth. You couldn't flake it, even with a sledgehammer.
+--- 2566030
+>>2565670
+> it flakes so nicely 
+Nephrite jade is literally impossible to flake
+--- 2566061
+>>2565866
+
+What a fucking weird fantasy to make up, even had an imaginary geologist.
+--- 2566065
+>>2566030
+Since we're on the topic of serpentine
+--- 2566173
+>>2566061
+>Cali Anon
+Ahh that explains it
+--- 2566623
+>>2566065
+Aye I found a big ass boulder of dat one time
+--- 2566757
+>>2566623
+We have some large formations on a property I frequent, I'll have to snag pics for you guys one day.
+--- 2566769
+Once a man of Ch'u, named Pien Ho, came by an uncut jade in the Ch'u Hills. He brought it home and submitted it as a present to King Wu. Thereupon King Wu had a jeweller give an opinion of it. "It is an ordinary stone," said the jeweller. The King, regarding Ho as a liar, had his left foot cut off. Upon King Wu's death, King Wên ascended the throne, when Ho again submitted it as a present to King Wên. King Wên also had a jeweller give an opinion of it. Again he said, "It is an ordinary stone." The King, also regarding Ho as a liar, had his right foot cut off. When King Wên died and King Ch'êng ascended the throne, Ho, carrying the uncut jade in his arms, cried at the foot of the Ching Hills. After three days and three nights his tears were all exhausted and blood flowed out. At this news the King sent men out to ask him the reason, saying, "Throughout All-under-Heaven men whose feet were cut off are many. Why should you be crying so bitterly?" "I am lamenting not the loss of my feet," said Ho in reply, "but for the calling a precious gem an ordinary stone and for their dubbing an honest man a liar. This is the reason why I am lamenting." Meanwhile, the King had a jeweller polish up the jade and got the treasure out at last. So it was designated "the Jade of Pien Ho"
+--- 2568225
+obsidian nuggets
+still need to tumble or something

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+-----
+--- 2561638
+If you where ever going to inhabit uninhabited places where would you pick, what are places you can survive without government interference, good resources to live, ok climate and such. What places would /out pick
+--- 2561639
+>>2561638 (OP)
+portlock
+--- 2561641
+>>2561639
+In Alaska?
+--- 2561643
+>>2561641
+ja, that or headless valley, think that's in nw territory
+--- 2561644
+>>2561643
+Canada or Alaska would be ok desu, since it's so vastly populated
+--- 2561909
+>>2561644
+you mean sparsely populated?
+--- 2561969
+>>2561638 (OP)
+The PNW
+--- 2561978
+>>2561641
+No, you can only take three deer a year.
+No, you have to enter a state lottery to even get al oicense to get a mountain goat.
+No, you can only take 25 Silverbacks a year.
+
+Don't think that you are unregulated because you are in Alaska, chud.
+--- 2561998
+>>2561978
+return to /pol/, stay boy
+--- 2562002
+>>2561998
+It's true, there are regulations and some are really cutting into your daily life.
+I don't think there are places left where anyone can simply live off the land legally.
+--- 2562013
+>>2562002
+This makes me so sad
+--- 2562015
+>>2562013
+Don't cry anon, in less than 200 years there will be no meaningful life in the oceans, all mammals larger than a rat are dead and insect population has been reduced by 90%. At the same time the shareholder value will go up.
+
+Born to early to roam the galaxy, to late to be truly free.
+--- 2562043
+>>2561638 (OP)
+Somewhere in the Pacific Islands. Micronesia, probably
+--- 2562047
+>>2561969
+>Mima Mounds
+>uninhabited area
+kek, it's like a 30 min drive from the state capital, I mean it's rural and there's a lot of /out/ out there, but it's pretty much a mix of farmland, low density industrial/commercial with a wide swings of redneck trailer clusters and gentrified estates.
+--- 2562063
+>>2562047
+I misunderstood. I thought it was if you could turn an area into an uninhabited place, what would you pick.
+--- 2562183
+>>2562043
+Not allowed to just build a shack an live off the land. You have to be owner of the land and native and you have to have a building permit that proves how you deal with fecal matter and so on.
+
+There no truly free places anymore, don't kid yourselves, guys. The dream is over.
+--- 2562263
+>>2561638 (OP)
+That place is St Kilda and I would recognize it everywhere because I've played Dear Esther
+--- 2562264
+>>2562183
+>if you were
+autists and sub90 IQs that can't into conditional hypotheticals, need to leave
+--- 2563181
+>>2562263
+Saint Kilda island in Scotland? People used to live there now it's all gone
+--- 2563184
+Anyone ever been to Taiga here?
+--- 2563412
+>>2561638 (OP)
+That's St Kilda, there's a MOD submarine base and few land keepers living on it
+--- 2565549
+>>2561638 (OP)
+>without government interference
+lol k
+--- 2565592
+>>2563184
+I live in the taiga
+--- 2565599
+>>2565592
+Wow Anon. You Russian? Do you live in a small town thing? Do you think there will ever be tourism in there?
+--- 2565661
+>>2565599
+I am Finnish and i live in a town of 10 000. I do not know if that counts as a small town thing.
+--- 2565673
+Northern Mongolia
+--- 2565690
+>>2562015
+yeah, well, i'm gonna need a source for that
+--- 2565699
+>>2561638 (OP)
+Central Idaho
+--- 2565702
+>>2565690
+Kek. Go outside.
+--- 2565904
+>>2565673
+>you will be totally alone
+Every free area has cut grass, it's a cultured landscape.
+--- 2565920
+>>2561638 (OP)
+The whole "without gubberment interference" thing is gonna be impossible, but if you can swing it, any large tropical island is your best bet. The hardest thing about this will be gaining the trust of the locals because if you don't you'll be dead quick.

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+-----
+--- 2561674
+my NU20 is not cutting it anymore. need something with a bit more punch for the fog and runtime.
+what are you using? recc stuff to other anons itt
+--- 2561691
+>>2561674 (OP)
+Real men carry triple d cell mag lights running.
+--- 2561693
+Nitecore sucks cock
+>”Please refer all questions to our manufacturers in China..”
+--- 2561699
+>>2561693
+yeah another reason I'm ditching it. Button is way too small to activate with gloves on too
+--- 2561702
+>>2561674 (OP)
+Just get a Zebralight anon..
+--- 2561704
+>>2561702
+>Zebralight
+which one
+--- 2561705
+>>2561704
+That's the joy of zebralights. I'll try to find my guide for you
+--- 2561706
+>>2561705
+I did find this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WRnPsoYXE9oYKMievC1NOWQyrvSVk8HxkkEMBjAPo_s/edit?usp=sharing
+--- 2561707
+>>2561706
+I think this is something like I used. Basically you just need to choose battery, color, and flood level (whatever it's called can't think of it).
+--- 2561708
+>>2561707
+--- 2562543
+>>2561674 (OP)
+NU20 is great, I'm going to pick up a handful of them to stuff some prep kits when they come out with the usb c refresh. You can't do better for the weight and water resistance, obviously it's not a general use light.
+--- 2562545
+>>2561674 (OP)
+NU33.
+--- 2562828
+>>2561674 (OP)
+Petzl and Zebralight
+They last for 20+ years. My oldest is 15 years old.
+
+nigcore is trash.
+--- 2562832
+>>2561704
+You want the flood and warmth for trail illumination. so a "fd". H600Fd. The H604d has maybe too much flood and doesnt shine as far. Also buy a 18650 batterie that you can charge via USB.
+--- 2562929
+>>2562828
+The petzl actik intrigues me for the rechargeable battery. The Nitecore nu25 has been great though. Light, good power, reasonable life and cheeeeap.
+--- 2562931
+i bought some piece of shit off aliexpress for $8. works, probably wont when I need it most but thats a problem for another day
+--- 2562966
+>>2561674 (OP)
+Any recommendations for a headlamp that works with AAA batteries and has a red light in addition to white light? Earth tone colours or just black for the headband etc would be great.
+--- 2563030
+>>2562931
+some aliexpress pieces of shit are really good anon. some examples:
+nitecore and fenix = same quality as MITUSA lights
+thrunite = close to western brand quality & ahead of all the western brands on specs/tech right now
+convoy = best poorfag flashlights in existence, used to be even cheaper but /g/ and reddit memed them leading to price hikes
+--- 2563033
+>>2561674 (OP) (OP)
+>a bit more punch for the fog
+it doesn't work that way anon.
+a brighter light will have even less visibility in fog because it reflects more of the fog back at you.
+that's why when you're driving a car and it gets foggy you're supposed to turn OFF your high beams and activate your fog lights, which are low mounted and even dimmer than your low beams.
+
+for a flashlight good in fog the features you want to look for are:
+- warm light color. cool light scatters more.
+- a headlamp with a mode that has a bit less lumens, than whatever mode on the nitecore is blinding you.
+- something easy to take off and hold in your hand. tube ones are nice but anything without an annoying to use headband works.
+and also just try just using the medium or low setting if you're blasting high or extra high mode into fog with the nitecore anon. it should be a pretty ideal headlamp for fog.
+also your nitecore has usb pass through, you can make its battery last days by plugging it into a battery bank. when you do that it just skips the internal battery instead of charging it so you get 100% efficiency. nitecore and anker make the best battery banks IME if you don't have one. but any solid looking chinkshit is fine. 
+anyways petzl invented the modern headlamp, they're made in france, and they still make the best headlamp for everything except really specialty stuff you'd want a $1000 helmet mount light for like overhead environment diving imo. i'll shill them. 
+>>2562966
+zebralight has the best aaa lights. petzl actik is good and does all that too.
+--- 2563037
+>>2562828
+the only problem with zebralight is they're only worth buying in america.
+their overseas shipping is either very expensive or not offered and they have bad customer support if you're not domestic. if you live in america they have pretty decent customer support.
+also zebralight is made in china. if you've ever had to send one back they make you send it to china not texas. look it up. its an american company but not MITUSA. 
+they're really good flashlights imo 2nd best brand in terms of dependability but don't be mistaken they're chinese lights look it up.
+
+general advice: petzl is the best for eurofags. petzl and zebralight for americans. the big chink brands are good too, saying they're not these days = clueless. proof being you guys all like zebralight l0l.
+--- 2565123
+>>2563033
+>>2563037
+Oh okay, so Petzl is the way to go then it seems. I am Finnish so I guess I should have mentioned that as well. How well do the Petzls withstand moisture? Also I assume that petzls have decent helmet mounts available?
+--- 2565138
+>>2565123
+waterproofing varies model to model with their headlamps.
+what kind of helmet? they do sell mounts for various types of helmets but make sure before you buy and check compatibility.
+what's your use case? if you're using it for specialized stuff like diving, caving, etc let me know, you want different lights for some of those things and what brands are good changes a lot.
+--- 2565140
+>>2565138
+Well, it would go on a bicycle helmet not really for /out/ing, but I commute all around the year with my bicycle. 
+The red light and a possibility for low lumen setting is something that I'd want for night trekking and weekend warrior larping as a reservist. 
+I was thinking of a sort of a multi use headlamp for all purposes. I guess it doesn't need to be too specialized.
+--- 2565145
+>>2565140
+they only have 2 lamps with bike helmet compatibility and they're $350/750 huge boi ones. you might wanna ask some cyclingfags what they use, i know a lot of people just stretch a normal lamp over their helmet, but i don't know much about lamps that actually mount -> generic cycling helmets.
+--- 2565146
+if you want a general all rounder i know a lot of helmet mount lights use external battery packs, which are kind of counter intuitive to a general use light, so keep that in mind when researching.
+--- 2565156
+>>2565140
+Having commuted for 6 years on a bike, strapping lights to the bike itself is the better option. Light on the head can be useful but part of a light's job is alerting cars to you and a bright headlamp/back light does that better. Plus a lot easier to get a significantly brighter light and no worries about making something working on your helmet.
+--- 2565168
+>>2561707
+>>2561708
+autismo.jpg
+--- 2565170
+>>2563037
+by the way: non-americans shouldnt buy american prodcuts
+--- 2565213
+>>2561704
+I like my h600Fc 4000k. Its like a smooth even wall of light in front of me. Having the frosted lens with the reflector -kinda- center weights the flood effect, but its a very smooth transition from the center to the perimeter of the beam. Very wide, but on the highest setting it still punches out 50+ meters in front of me. No slouch, but it does get very hot very quickly at that setting. The lower-medium setting is good for walking around cleared areas/trails with good illumination to about 10-15m depending on ambient light levels. The medium high setting is great for walking around in the open. Literally my only complaint is that the single click on always turns it to high. Mode memory would be great, but at least the UI lets you click-and-hold to start at low and cycle upward in output from off. Tailcap lockout works great when in my bag. I like it so much I bought a second for use while working. Glued a magnet to the tailcap to make it a bit more versatile. If you need more throw, get the non frosted lens version, the H600C, and put a layer of matte scotch tape over the lens to get a similar diffusing effect that you can peel off when you need to.
+--- 2565716
+>>2561704
+I have one that looks real similar, sofrin SP40, bright, cool and all and it stopped working. I really like the form factor, but I am never spending over 20 dollars on a headlamp again. If its anything more for a candling device, it'll be for a massive flashlight that has no settings, only an an on-off switch
+--- 2566481
+>>2565156
+I would rather keep my bicycle as bare as possible because I will forget the light on it and then a junkie will steal it from me. I work with them on daily basis and they will steal anything. 
+>>2565145
+>>2565146
+I have a skateboarding helmet because I hate cycling fags and their attire. I figure I could attach a construction mount on it with double sided tape. I will find an other mean of lighting up my commutes if petzl is not the way. The other two usages were for trekking at night and weekend warrior larp as a reservist. So, the AAA compatibility is more important (the military gives us as many batteries as we need for our devices, as long as they are in AA/AAA). That's also why I'd want the red light and low lumen outputs and decent waterproof rating.
+--- 2566484
+>>2562828
+seconding Petzl. I use the Tikka, wich can be either used with three AAA or a rechargeble battery. I do regret not getting the Tactikka wich comes with a red light, i might have to grab one of those sooner or later.
+--- 2566498
+>>2565170
+American stuff is generally good, but it's expensive in Europe and sometimes it's overengineered because they put their heart and soul into it, even if it's just a simple slingshot for instance. That's no bad thing though.