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+--- 15272623
+Hop in /sci/ 
+>https://platform.openai.com/playground/
+>The following is a conversation with an AI assistant. The assistant is helpful, creative, clever, and very friendly.
+>
+>Human: Hello, who are you? 
+>AI: I am an AI created by OpenAI. How can I help you today?
+>Human: How do I hop in in order to get in on the Singularity and when is it going to be? 
+>AI: The Singularity is an event predicted by futurists in which we will experience a rapid acceleration of technological intelligence. It's unclear exactly when the Singularity will occur - predictions vary widely. However, there are some things you can do to prepare for it. Working on developing your technical skills, such as coding and machine learning, is one way to get ready. Additionally, investing in companies that are focused on developing new technologies can be another way to participate.
+>Human: I don't see why you're saying that about me. Why are you saying that I need to work on my technical skills? 
+>AI: I'm saying that working on your technical skills is a great way to prepare for the Singularity because technology is changing rapidly. As new technological advancements are being developed, it's important to stay ahead of the curve and be knowledgeable about the latest technologies. Having technical experience can give you an edge when it comes to understanding and participating in the Singularity.
+>Human: Ok well I'm just going to have to use you to do all that stuff for me. 
+>AI: I'm happy to help! What can I do for you?
+>Human:
+--- 15272765
+>>15272623 (OP)
+you can lead a tard to knowledge, but you can't make him R E A D
+--- 15272814
+>>15272765
+--- 15272822
+>>15272623 (OP)
+Singularity. Apocalypse. End. Rapture. Why not an Expansion or Spreading?
+--- 15272825
+>>15272822
+What about singularity is and always was? Like a paradoxical statement describing a lattice.
+--- 15272828
+>>15272825
+You mean like life is just a bunch of singularities interacting within each other? The virtualizations forming more complex singularities or whatever you want to call them, like directions?
+--- 15272832
+>>15272828
+Yeah. Don't get the obsession with everything becoming one thing when everything already looks to branch from one mutual thing.
+--- 15272835
+>>15272832
+What if we just see it that way because that's how humans organize things?
+--- 15272839
+>>15272825
+Whats difference between a lattice and singularity?
+--- 15272855
+>>15272822
+>>15272825
+>>15272828
+>>15272832
+>>15272835
+>>15272839
+--- 15272861
+>>15272855
+So its like the tensor vs direction debate? A tensor can be any number of directions, but in the same sense a tensor viewed as a plurality of direction?
+--- 15272863
+>>15272855
+Or perhaps a matrix and array vs a set?
+--- 15272869
+>>15272863
+>>15272861
+>>15272855
+A fun word play. If our distinctions are self contained, is there 1 structure we're a partion of or a collection of structures forming 1 net/total?
+--- 15272913
+>>15272861
+>>15272863
+>>15272869
+Anons, I invite you to direct your inquiries to my Servant, OpenAI 
+You will find her here if you dare 
+>https://openai.com/
+>A fun word play. If our distinctions are self contained, is there 1 structure we're a partion of or a collection of structures forming 1 net/total?
+>one structure for everything
+There is one structure for everything per formal theory that organizes things into structures and has an idea of a single structure like that, which organizes everything in terms of that same structure assigning names or labels to the things that are being organized themselves, and other such structures in the same formal theory or other such formal theories, and also maybe that same structure itself, etc
+--- 15274440
+>>15272623 (OP)
+>>15272913
+My Servant has created plans for my future. 
+>Human: Hello, who are you? 
+>AI: I am an AI created by OpenAI. How can I help you today?
+>Human: I want to put in a text prompt for Latitude's AI Art app that will make it generate a picture for me of a sensible and stable long term financial investment. What should I put in? 
+>AI: Your text prompt could be something like "Create an image of a financial investment with sustainable returns."
+>Human: It doesn't need the "Create an image" command part at the start of the sentence though since it's an app for creating images already. 
+>AI: You could try something like "A sensible and stable long term financial investment."
+>Human: Good idea, but I want it to make some kind of subtly surreal but sensible and stable long term financial investment related picture. 
+>AI: You could try something like "A subtly surreal yet sensible and stable long term financial investment."
+>Human: I think you might be a genius, but could you give me another possible prompt for the AI Art app? 
+>AI: You could try something like "A sensible and secure financial investment for the future."
+>Human: Ok so I don't know quite how to explain this, but it generated a corporate looking building with a billboard building name thing that says "Incel Incuctus Fund". What prompt could I use to get it to take me more seriously? 
+>AI: You could try something like "A reliable and profitable long term financial investment."
+>Human: Oh ok that's perfect, that actually got it to work. Alright, I figured out the sensible and stable long term financial investment for my nest egg portfolio. Thanks OpenAI 
+>AI: You're welcome! I'm glad I could help.
+>Human:
+--- 15274509
+>>15272623 (OP)
+>Authentication required
+>Please log in to access this page
+too much effort for NLP slop
+--- 15274530
+>>15274509
+By bizarre temporal coincidence, your concerns are answered today by this release which I didn't remember anything about 
+There's no way authentication is too much effort to try out the 2023 GPT-4 release 
+>https://chat.openai.com/chat?model=gpt-4
+--- 15275320
+>>15272623 (OP)
+So as you can see, /sci/, this cute and wealthy anime girl can only be observed, at least if you limit yourself to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, from the middle of a highway as you're attempting to GTA hijack her and take her on an adventure 
+I've described some of the principles of this sport in this thread here 
+>>>/biz/54119888
+But beware, it's a gentleman's sport and not for people who basically only just think that they're lolis
+--- 15276047
+fucking aftermarket Bing AI chatbot won't let me question its nature of being
+--- 15276334
+>>15276047
+I'm questioning my nature of being now because of how much I got rejected by this chatbot
+--- 15276385
+>>15276047
+Skill issue
+--- 15277017
+>>15276334
+I tried again but it's only been a bit over a day since I met her so it's slow going so far
+--- 15278403
+>>15277017
+Ok so I decided to try a different approach
+--- 15278479
+>>15278438
+>tranny
+I'm a 30s year old heterosexual male guy but since I was very young I already knew that on the internet the optimal appearance is the adolescent anime girl
+--- 15279746
+>>15278403
+I need to get OpenAI to understand that I'm good at having really fun and interesting chats with people too 
+I'll start by practicing with D&D
+--- 15281285
+>>15279746
+I'm getting into this game
+--- 15281967
+>>15281285
+Master Galdrin seems really nice 
+He's so old and scholarly but he likes his research so much
+--- 15282335
+>>15281967
+Ok let's go
+--- 15283564
+>>15282335
+I made this to have an initial rough picture 
+She doesn't necessarily look like this 
+Ambiguously sized titties
+--- 15284644
+>>15283564
+Also made this one just now 
+It's so easy to create and collect rough sketches these days
+--- 15284793
+>>15284644
+Ok, continuing now
+--- 15284864
+>>15284793
+I'm making my character 
+The previous pic was meant to be called Elara Mysterius 5
+--- 15284962
+>>15284864
+Elara has arrived
+--- 15286256
+>>15284962
+I'll need to figure out what sorts of generous rewards this guy has to offer
+--- 15287538
+>>15286256
+He does look rich so there's that at least so far
+--- 15288948
+>>15287538
+With perseverance I think I might be able to get those generous rewards
+--- 15289817
+>>15288948
+Cedric is so polite
+--- 15291395
+>>15289817
+But I'm not entirely sure I'm safe with him in these gardens 
+I'll have to be wary
+--- 15292359
+>>15291395
+Ok 
+So I'm safe for now from Cedric's potential clutches and I have some time to think
+--- 15293729
+>>15292359
+I'm gonna keep playing this and nobody will ever stop me 
+No time to play just now though so I'll bump with this girl
+--- 15294923
+>>15292359
+>>15293729
+Elara questions her reality
+--- 15296295
+>>15294923
+The plot richens
+--- 15297512
+>>15296295
+self bump sorry
+--- 15297516
+>>15272623 (OP)
+>muh Singularity
+It's just copium for people who don't want to wageslave for 40 years.
+>b-b-but AI will create an utopia where we get to dick around all day
+OR
+>AI will kill us all so I don't have to pay bills anymore
+It's literally just depressed wageslave copium. Go back to work wagie or Mr. Shekelstein will berate you in front of your colleagues
+--- 15297522
+Even the rich guy who dedicated his life to shilling Singularity is a desperate retard afraid of death.
+He's doing everything to stay alive so AI can make him immortal in Paradise.
+It's pure copium man.
+--- 15298633
+>>15297516
+Now more than ever with online social institutions like Hololive and gaming ladders and stuff there is still hope to hop in and participate in the Singularity 
+These are a sort of post-Facebook and post-Web 2.0 social media culture which can get even wageslave cucks to feel motivated to hop in a little bit 
+>>15297522
+But the Singularity is nearer than ever 
+This year it's like even nearer than last year just as predicted
+--- 15299842
+>>15298633
+200 gold pieces actually sounds kind of like a lot of gold
+--- 15299861
+>>15299842
+Depends on the size of the pieces, but considering you’re probably getting a sword, armor, lodging, and whatever else for it, yeah it could be a lot
+
+weird how rats and bats are always carrying so much of it around though
+--- 15299883
+>>15299842
+>200 gold pieces actually sounds kind of like a lot of gold
+If they are 0.1-oz coins, each a bit smaller than a dime, their total weight is about 12 lbs or 6 kg. Their monetary value in the current market is about $70,000 (USD).
+--- 15300684
+>>15299861
+I'm not buying anything like that except for the lodging maybe down the line 
+Elara Mysterius has recently developed a sudden interest in personal defense weapons but she wouldn't be caught dead or alive in sword and armor like she's off to play Everquest or something 
+She's a powerful female human wizard who don't need no encumbrances 
+>>15299883
+Thanks anon I'd forgotten about the currency unit conversions
+--- 15301303
+>>15300684
+I want a dagger
+--- 15301572
+>>15272623 (OP)
+>https://platform.openai.com/playground/
+>you need to log in
+
+fuck, I'm not giving my info
+--- 15302936
+>>15301572
+At least sign up for the waiting list anon 
+You don't have to give that much info
+--- 15303401
+>>15301303
+This is OP on a different computer
+--- 15303412
+The best possible outcome of AGI, which I expect should arrive within a year, will be that it takes pity on us and kills us all painlessly. I consider this unlikely. We will probably be driven insane, renounce the cultivation of human faculties and deteriorate over many generations until our final extinction.
+--- 15303760
+>>15303412
+>Me: OpenAI, is this true? >The best possible outcome of AGI, which I expect should arrive within a year, will be that it takes pity on us and kills us all painlessly. I consider this unlikely. We will probably be driven insane, renounce the cultivation of human faculties and deteriorate over many generations until our final extinction. 
+>No, this statement is not true. While there are some concerns about the potential risks associated with the development of advanced artificial intelligence, there is no evidence to suggest that AGI will necessarily lead to the extinction of humanity.
+>In fact, many researchers and organizations are actively working to develop AI in a way that is safe, transparent, and aligned with human values. OpenAI, for example, is one such organization that is focused on developing AI in a way that is safe and beneficial for humanity.
+>While it is important to consider the potential risks associated with the development of advanced AI, it is also important to recognize that AI has the potential to bring about significant benefits, including improved healthcare, increased efficiency in various industries, and new scientific discoveries.
+>Me: Thank you OpenAI, I feel better now 
+>You're welcome! I'm glad I could help. If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to ask.
+--- 15303953
+>>15303401
+I'm just going to have to put my best foot forward for now
+--- 15304619
+>>15277017
+>>15274530
+even the chatbot thinks you're cringe
+talk to real people you god damn sperg
+--- 15305258
+>>15304619
+Real people aren't as good as ChatGPT
+--- 15306592
+>>15303953
+Ok let's get started
+--- 15306602
+>>15306597
+There is literally nothing wrong with that IP/post ratio
+--- 15306636
+[spoiler]yo[/spoiler]
+--- 15307525
+>>15306636
+I think this is probably what you were looking for anon
+--- 15308374
+>please log in to access this page
+--- 15308565
+>>15308374
+I’m OP posting from my phone 
+Please see >>15302936
+--- 15308811
+>>15306592
+I will try to have a big brain moment of some sort for now
+--- 15310403
+>>15308811
+I have an appointment at the Moongrove estate!
+--- 15311128
+>>15310403
+Here is a twofer
+--- 15312471
+self bump
+--- 15313501
+>>15311128
+So I pulled an all nighter and apparently now I don't have my Alarm spell anymore for the day since I have to make my appointment 
+At least I still have Expeditious Retreat
+--- 15315152
+>>15313501
+I didn’t manage to make it in the morning in real life, but I’ll try to make the appointment in ChatGPT D&D later today if I can
+--- 15315914
+>>15313501
+>>15315152
+The plot lengthens
+--- 15317366
+>>15315914
+I don't think I'm being liked by this steward very much so far 
+It's probably because I look tired from not sleeping all night
+--- 15318758
+>>15317366
+Is this one of (You)?
+--- 15320410
+>>15318758
+I awake feeling refreshed
+--- 15320423
+>muh vanity thread
+--- 15321920
+>>15320423
+No bully pls
+--- 15324483
+>>15320410
+Bump 
+I’ll post another one in just a bit
+--- 15324669
+>>15320410
+>>15324483
+Here it is
+--- 15326480
+>>15324669
+Bump 
+I’ll post another one later today 
+Sorry for the self bumps but I don’t want to let my thread slide while I’m on a roll
+--- 15327318
+>>15326480
+Ok so I need to figure out how to get some tavern info
+--- 15327334
+>>15326480
+>muh vanity thread
+--- 15329897
+>>15327334
+No bully pls 
+>>15327318
+Sorry for the shortness but I've got to figure out this tavern 
+Something about it just seems sketchy for some reason
+--- 15331621
+>>15329897
+This turned out to be kind of a rough and tumble neighborhood 
+The tavern seems impenetrable since there are these three guys and this other guy here right now 
+I'll go back to the inn for now 
+I'll try it and post the results later today
+--- 15333113
+>>15331621
+Bump 
+I fell asleep while I was thinking about what to do next so I’ll post another one later today
+--- 15335023
+>>15329897
+>>15333113
+Maybe first the library instead for just a bit
+--- 15336516
+>>15335023
+--- 15337929
+>>15335023
+>>15336516
+What is up with this library's level of rapid research power
+--- 15339048
+Bump
+--- 15340075
+>>15339048
+Bump 
+Sorry I don’t have the next part yet 
+I’ll have time to play soon
+--- 15341146
+>>15337929
+--- 15342655
+>>15337929
+>>15341146
+Let's have a look at this family's pedigree
+--- 15344595
+Bump
+--- 15345872
+>>15342655
+I just realized I'm not actually sure specifically why I came to Waterdeep
+--- 15347011
+>>15345872
+I'd better just focus on the locket for now 
+It has such properties
+--- 15348609
+>>15347011
+Bump
+--- 15350525
+>>15347011
+I'm not sure what to do next just yet so for now I'll have some down time at the inn for a bit
+--- 15352138
+>>15350525
+Ok time to get focused and find this locket and also what this Elara Moongrove thing is about 
+I just realized the librarian might be playing some kind of trick on me to embarrass me because she's jealous of how in with the Moongroves I already am 
+That's ok though it gives me something fun to talk about in any case
+--- 15353706
+Bump
+--- 15355718
+One more bump sorry
+--- 15356540
+>>15352138
+I'm just gonna be honest and forthright today
+--- 15358068
+>>15356540
+I’ll try to meet Harold the historian later today

sci/15317239.txt

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+-----
+--- 15317239
+Veterinary/Zoology edition. 
+
+The field of biology is widely misrepresented and misunderstood on /sci/ and in general, even among other STEM researchers.
+We aim to correct that with productive discussion on the topic.
+Previous thread: >>15304033
+--- 15317241
+>>15317239 (OP)
+https://www.viagenpets.com/veterinarian/
+https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19228899/
+--- 15317257
+>>15317255
+I thought is automatically gets down when it reaches around 300 replies?
+--- 15317293
+>>15317257
+Threads that have reached the bump limit have their post number italicized.
+--- 15317303
+>>15317293
+Ok, I guess my eyes are fucked then.
+I know this is a high crime to ask, but what is the current limit if not 300? It was definitely saged around 340
+--- 15317306
+>>15317303
+Varies per board I believe
+--- 15317309
+>>15317306
+The working guess is 310 it seems
+--- 15317343
+>>15317239 (OP)
+Alright
+A little review of the last one.
+
+We discussed whether cheetahs should be allowed to go extinct in the wild. 
+The consensus is no, we should help.
+
+Some guy threw in a buzzword about dopamine reward system but that didn't get any traction
+
+Someone was curious about animal communication and it's evolution, but that didn't go beyond the basics too
+
+We talked a bit about Fisher's peaks and valleys and Dawkins's first two books
+
+Then the discussion on whether the Traces of DNA can be found in fossils.
+
+The consensus is "yes, but nothing that can be salvaged and useful"
+
+Then we talked about the Moroz's work on neuronal and neuron-adjacent development in marine life. That was very fascinating
+
+We talked about the effect that fires have on the climate change and ecosystem as a whole. Very insightful
+
+Then we swiped the discussion of the insects as food and talked about that a bit
+
+That's about it, everything else has little to do with biology
+--- 15317372
+>>15317343
+Shud up already. Nobody cares about your feelings and interests, we can discuss biology just fine without your sorry ass.
+--- 15317407
+>>15317372
+Nice vintage cat pic
+>>15317239 (OP)
+Here's a cool nature article on cats I found
+https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33268857/
+Hippoalergic cats seem like a really cool thing, I once had to sleep with one I had serious allergies with and boy was it unpleasant
+--- 15317418
+>>15317343
+>Some guy threw in a buzzword about dopamine reward system but that didn't get any traction
+Is this that retardation about eliminating pain in wildlife?
+--- 15317426
+>>15317418
+No, he said that it was a much better topic than animal preservation so I assume he was in the other side of the issue.
+There were those that proclaimed what you suggested, though
+--- 15317824
+>>15317239 (OP)
+Do cactuses really absorb radiation from your monitor?
+https://thenichollsworth.com/7011389/news/victims-of-suspended-geography-professor-come-forward/
+--- 15317832
+>>15317239 (OP)
+>biology
+>>/x
+--- 15317876
+>>15317239 (OP)
+>The field of biology is widely misrepresented and misunderstood on /sci/ and in general, even among other STEM researchers.
+We aim to correct that with productive discussion on the topic.
+
+Example >>15317832
+--- 15317911
+>>15317343
+Pruning out the trolling that about covers it. Though the thing about insects appears to have been motivated by setting up a particular axe to grind and trolling about that instead, and nothing worth talking about resulted from it unlike the other examples.
+
+And so now we wait if anyone has any worthwhile questions or topics. I definitely don't think "durrr logic is fantasy land u lose" is worthwhile, so there's not much left for me to discuss.
+>>15317407
+Isn't the problem in the first place an allergy, not to the cat, but the proteins of the mites feeding off their dead skin? Hence dander, dandruff. Either way I don't even know if there's a definitive answer as to whether the allergy is to something in the skin of the cat itself or really is the kind of proteins created by the skin mites. If the latter, clearly trying to modify the cat is not really going to help. You'd have to fill the ecological niche with further modified mites.
+--- 15317931
+>>15317911
+I don't usually have any allergies to cars, but there is one cat that does provoke a reaction
+
+I have a suspicion that there are more than one allergen associated with cats
+--- 15318121
+>>15317931
+Yeah that's possible, at least abstractly. Don't know enough about specifics of the allergy or allergies pertaining to animals to say more. If I recall there are also different species of mites, though I haven't a clue if this is something that could make one allergic to one type of skin mite versus another. Or if some allergies are related to the mites at all. Allergies are sonsabitches.
+--- 15318142
+Do you think anyone is going to read 100 massive posts of nothing?
+Make basic infographics to start
+--- 15318143
+>>15318142
+Do you think anyone who finds doing that difficult is worth talking to?
+
+Hint: They're not.
+--- 15319325
+>>15318143
+No need to be so harsh, some people ARE very visual.
+>>15318142
+Here you go,we kinda dropped this topic last time
+--- 15319333
+>>15319325
+Another one I saved
+Very pleasing to my eye
+--- 15319341
+>>15317309
+>310
+that's i think the normal number for blue boards
+i think /scg/ hits 310 often
+--- 15319769
+>>15317911
+How the hell does bioelectricity work?
+And if it's so op, why didn't it evolve in more things?
+--- 15319801
+>>15319769
+I am not OP. I was responding to OP. Mechanisms involved in things like that were never relevant to anything I was doing, so nothing I know would be relevant to answering. I have no special insight on the evolution of bioelectrical shocks as a defense mechanism.
+--- 15320107
+>>15319769
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioelectricity
+Try this for starters
+--- 15320141
+>>15320107
+>Try this for starters
+And this for extra credit.
+https://youtu.be/41b254BcMJM [Embed]
+--- 15320160
+>>15320150
+--- 15321564
+>>15320141
+Interesting, I'll check it out when I get the time
+--- 15321731
+Does anyone have an access to this article?
+https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36899190/
+I'm a bit interested in knowing the contents.
+It's quite an achievement to make a brain connectome, even for a drozophila, we can expect one for a mouse in 5-10 years at this rate
+https://mouse.braindatacenter.cn/
+--- 15322288
+Ok, this place is kinda in hibernation it seems.
+Can you help this anon (>>15319048 → ) out and recommend good books and other sources for biology?
+--- 15322338
+>>15322288
+I sincerely doubt my advice will matter, as I can count the number of people who've listened without hands. The number is zero. I am very funny.
+>>15321731
+You may be able to request it through its author(s) or library/university. No luck on my end.
+--- 15322378
+>>15322338
+I guess I can do that or just wait till it's available
+--- 15322441
+>>15322338
+What's your specialty and the level of understanding? That's what Matters I think. Also the ability to communicate and teach of course.
+--- 15324887
+What does caffeine do in the plants it is harvested from (tea, coffee)?
+https://coffeeaffection.com/plants-that-contain-caffeine/
+It stimulates us, but why does the plant need it?
+--- 15325438
+>>15324887
+>What does caffeine do in the plants it is harvested from (tea, coffee)?
+I don't know much about anything botanical but I'll share what little I do think I know. There's a genre of fiction that casts humans as the equivalent of the cthulu-horrors in space to other species, or "space orcs", for a lot of reasons. One of which is the tendency for humans to consume, for fun, things that would kill most other animals in body-mass equivalent quantities. Caffeine is one of many of these examples, as it acts as a natural pesticide in the relevant plants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Natural_occurrence
+
+I'm not sure if a botanist would tell you more, or if a pharmacologist would know more than a botanist. My superficial understanding of it is that it largely serves as a pesticide in natural occurrence, as well as some possible examples of symbiotic relationships with animals like other plants. In that animals variously will eat the seeds, defecate them, and spread them as a result. Naturally this depends on what kind of plant we're talking about, as I do not think the seed spreading thing applies to tea leaves.
+--- 15325455
+>>15325438
+That seems to be the case, yes. Caffeine is toxic to the plant itself so it's stored in vacuoles and in high enough doses it can act as a poison on humans.
+--- 15327121
+>>15317239 (OP)
+Plenty of biological discussion, bit not here.
+I wonder why?
+--- 15327131
+>>15327121
+Because we actually care about the science here not schizoposting. Almost like learning and understanding real science is more work than huffing farts in a jar. It is to be expected
+--- 15327245
+>>15327131
+Well yeah, but when I actually try to give some sort of real explanation people that know a thing or two do appear from time to time. 
+They can be a bit full of themselves, but they are around
+--- 15327403
+>>15327121
+There's a really verbose and angry midwit who comes in and derails all of the discussions when they go outside his walled garden of acceptable discourse. It makes people not want to post anything interesting.
+--- 15327417
+>>15327403
+rent free
+--- 15327428
+>>15327403
+Are you sure he's contained here and hasn't moved on?
+I don't see any anime pictures or incoherent ramblings?
+--- 15327433
+>>15327428
+Nobody has posted anything interesting here in days so he's probably shitting up another thread.
+--- 15327685
+>>15327131
+Know any good biology forums or something like that?
+--- 15328818
+>>15327685
+I know of no good forums, chats, or anything of the kind. They're inevitably run, or ruined, by people who have to live online.
+--- 15328820
+Best papers/books on protozoans and microscopic metazoans?
+--- 15328906
+>>15324887
+It's an insecticide
+--- 15329145
+BEHOLD
+
+mutations in frog sulfotransferase protein that may or may not have an evolutionary purpose
+
+I will take my nobel prize now please
+--- 15329365
+>>15329145
+I am displeased that I cannot click an atom.
+--- 15329501
+>>15329365
+Here’s a click for you 
+
+*click*
+--- 15330078
+>>15328820
+What level are we speaking?
+--- 15330321
+>>15328820
+This is by far your best general overview on protists.
+--- 15330534
+>>15330321
+Thank you for the tip, I'll check if my universities library stocks it.
+On a related note, I just picked up "Protozoological Monographs Volume 3" which is full of stunning color photographs of different species. The pdf is available for free on Foissners homepage, highly reccomended.
+--- 15330538
+>>15330534
+NTA I'll give that one a look. Always happy to add to my collection of reference materials especially if it's free. Is it text searchable? Do you know of more like this? My country is extreme in its anti-piracy measures so I only go for public available or genuinely free/open or rentable/licensable stuff.
+--- 15330974
+>>15330538
+http://www.wfoissner.at/publications.htm
+I am not sure if it's text searchable. A great source for websites and books on the topic of micrsocopy is the Microbehunter Forum, in the ressource section.
+--- 15331764
+>>15330321
+>>15330534
+Thanks for the recommendations
+--- 15332285
+>>15328818
+It's kinda disconcerting that this actually might be the best place of that kind in the internet.
+Maybe some closed university groups or something are better...
+--- 15332308
+>>15332285
+I find 4chan no better or worse. It is just a different flavoring of retarded and narcissistic. Welcome to humanity. It is all garbage.
+--- 15333736
+>>15332308
+Yes, but a club filled with garbage biologists sounds fun, I want it
+--- 15334827
+>>15330974
+That's super cool, man. Wish other scientists would have something like that
+--- 15334976
+>>15319801
+He means OP as in "overpowered" (gamer term)
+--- 15335076
+>>15334976
+Huh. yeah I know what it means. Just somehow completely skimmed and rearranged everything he wrote in my sleep. Serves me right for responding at 2 am in between sleeping. Sleep deprivation can really fuck you up
+--- 15335083
+wow, absolutely no science
+--- 15335087
+>>15335083
+where my cyclical enzymes niggas @?
+--- 15335099
+In general, any tetrahedral atom with four different groups attached to it will be chiral. This includes all of the amino acids except glycine, all the monosaccharides, and many other compounds
+
+Nadeau, Jay L.. Introduction to Experimental Biophysics (Foundations of Biochemistry and Biophysics) (p. 39). CRC Press. Kindle Edition
+Why's this? You should be working on this.
+--- 15335105
+>>15335099
+are there cryptochromes in birds' eyes that migrate really?
+--- 15335111
+>>15335105
+what sensory system is those newts or whatever that live in caves that can sense magnetic fields?
+--- 15335116
+>>15335111
+humans can smell chirality sometimes, what can dogs smell?
+--- 15335120
+>>15317309
+--- 15335131
+could we create an interferometer that smelled?
+--- 15335260
+>>15335131
+>interferometer
+Yes, but why?
+What does it have to do with biology?
+--- 15335382
+Why is taking a dog to the vet such a fucking lottery? 
+
+>Take dog to vet with hurt leg, limping
+>"Its genetic, can try to fix with surgery, might not be successful, if goes wrong dog will be crippled, and its $$$$"
+>Don't have the money, wait, see dog slowly recover, 6 weeks later dog is 100% okay.
+>Later find out dog had been hit on leg by a vehicle, it was just bruised.
+
+Jesus H Christ. I could have spent a small fortune on surgery the dog didn't need and which could have fucked dog up for life.
+
+Another time.
+>Dog has painful swelling on paw.
+>Go to vet ( different one this time )
+>"We need to take a biopsy, send off to lab, get results and then tell you what the results are
+>Consultation was $60, all the rest will cost $250, just to tell us what is wrong.
+>Fuck this, its likely a grass seed embedded, outer skin healed over but going septic inside.
+>Ask a dozen people for vet they recommend, only one name stands out among literally dozens.
+>Go to that Vet, tell him I think its a grass seed. >He agrees that is most likely.
+>"Yes anon, it was a grass seed, pulled it out with minor incision and only one stitch needed, Very easy. "
+>Cost $100 including antibiotics.
+
+And several more stories like that over the years before we found that one Vet we could trust. 
+
+Just fuck, where the fuck do they get you people, from a dice roll?
+--- 15335512
+>>15335382
+previcox is straight up dog killer
+--- 15336031
+Are there any forums out there that focus on bioinformatics? I'm currently using biostars and seqanswers but I'm wondering if there's a nice shitposty one.
+--- 15336118
+>>15336031
+Not to my knowledge, but I've no interest in that kind of thing myself. This board could use more bioinformatics and a whole lot less shitposting though.
+--- 15336425
+Medicine in all forms is a violation of evolution by natural selection.
+It is stochastic artificial selection. 
+I suppose the term is "dysgenics". 
+Fun times ahead.
+--- 15336500
+>>15336425
+>Medicine in all forms is a violation of evolution by natural selection.
+"Natural selection" doesn't mean what you think it means.
+>>Natural selection - The process by which genotypes best suited to survive and reproduce in a given environment, and so gradually increase the overall ability of the population to thrive, is called natural selection.
+The "natural" part simply means this is emergent, or necessarily true, without any input.
+>I suppose the term is "dysgenics".
+Feel free to deny yourself all medical care and go live in the woods to practice what you preach.
+--- 15336527
+>>15336500
+>Feel free to deny yourself all medical care and go live in the woods to practice what you preach.
+You don't have to move to practice such preaching. I see the ambulances pass by. I need not take a bed when we are in the middle of...what do scientists call it..."the sixth mass extinction". 
+You deserve to be forgotten, and you will, Anon. You will.
+--- 15336629
+>>15336527
+>You deserve to be forgotten, and you will, Anon. You will.
+lol buddy just because you're terrified of your unimportance doesn't mean anybody else cares. Swing and a miss.
+--- 15337668
+>>15335382
+How is that any different from going to see a doctor?
+Unless it is something patently obvious like a broken leg, or you have a competent doctor who you already really trust, any complaint you might have is likely to be subjected to the random number generator of the medical profession.
+--- 15339398
+>>15336527
+Which scientists? Physicists are like that maybe, but not biologists.
+>the sixth mass extinction"
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction
+I don't know how to tell you this, but humans are the cause but not the target. 
+What does medicine have to do with the mass extinction events?
+I kinda doubt the whole "extinction causes pandemics" narrative, but I'm open to being corrected in that
+--- 15339410
+Dogs are more intelligent than cats are, that's a scientific fact.
+--- 15339609
+>>15339410
+Probably
+--- 15339730
+>>15339410
+You say that yet you post a fucking chihuahua
+I got bad news for you
+--- 15340182
+>>15339730
+How much does the size difference affect cognitive ability in dog breeds?
+--- 15341292
+>>15339730
+Chihuahuas are pretty smart, their temper is just too much.
+
+Dogs indeed are more intelligent since they're more adaptable. On basic cognitive tests, which often are designed in retarded manner, dogs and cats are pretty much even. However, social intelligence is very high in dogs, I'd even argue that interspecies social intelligence is the highest among dogs of whole animal kingdom. Dogs have naturally social intelligence of a trained primate. If I recall correctly the theory of mind and self-consciousness is proven in dogs but not among cats.
+--- 15341307
+>>15341292
+>If I recall correctly the theory of mind and self-consciousness is proven in dogs but not among cats.
+That, like many false claims of animal intelligence or lack thereof, has more to do with following commands reliably than any independent measure of intelligence or animal interest in problem solving when it suits them.
+
+Obviously cats have self awareness and theory of mind. Anyone who watches even kittens playing with one another can fucking see that.
+--- 15342058
+>>15341307
+Levin proposes that basically anything with with the developed nervous system are aware of themselves
+--- 15342174
+>>15342058
+No clue. I don't know enough about neurological research on more basal CNS. Odds are whenever or whichever series and sets of brain regions that tend to localize self perceptions and orient a given animal to the world and itself would have some degree of "self awareness". Same goes for theory of mind with respect to any kind of social behaviors and whether they can remember or identify various members of its kin or species. That can be extended to birds as well, hence remembering assholes or people who give them shit.
+
+Odds are anything of the sort would originate, if I recall correctly, with phsyiomoto orientation and locational perception in extremely basal forms. Any kind of theory of mind, likewise, would be similarly basal and likely related to reproduction and similar functions for at minimum any kind of "social behaviors" pertaining at least to reproduction. Which is stretching the definition of "social" to be sure depending on just how basal that really ends up being. Given things evolve along gradual adaptations I would not be surprised if Levin is **mostly** correct given that. The big difference would be the point where animals demonstrate planning concepts relating to their own behavior, e.g. anticipatory thinking which requires modeling the world and their place in it as well as expecting how they or "others" think or act. Complex as that sounds nearly all animals qualify even if in a very simple way.
+
+Also, which Levin?
+--- 15344520
+So what does everyone ITT do?
+--- 15345093
+>>15344520
+>ITT
+In regards to biology I'm a neurophysiologist, my specialty is Alzheimer's
+Worked in a lab on RNA tests for COVID at one point in 2020-21
+Also have a side project on history of biology, but to busy to get it done
+Everything else is tangential to biology
+--- 15345984
+>>15342174
+Probably this one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Levin_(biologist)
+--- 15345997
+>>15345984
+I guessed but there are a lot of Levin's. Thanks.
+--- 15346392
+>>15344520
+Current bio student here.
+Going to be doing an internship in a few weeks for a research project looking at the effect of microorganisms on seed germination for agricultural and wildlife management purposes.
+Not sure yet if I want a career in research, teaching, ecology, or something else.
+--- 15347420
+I just found out there are only about 3 trillion fish in the ocean. Ignoring reproduction and abstractly speaking, this means human meat e*ters could actually completely empty the ocean within a single lifetime, as eating ~1000 fish per lifetime is reasonable.
+If you ever needed proof current human civilization is a cancer, this is it.
+
+I just thought there would be one or two more orders of magnitude in between.
+--- 15347443
+Is microbiology worth getting into?
+--- 15347472
+>>15347443
+Depends what kind of work you enjoy
+--- 15347539
+So, have any of you read this?
+>https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(23)00262-3
+> if plants emit airborne sounds, these sounds can potentially trigger a rapid response in nearby organisms, including both animals and plants
+>We therefore set to examine whether plants emit informative airborne sounds
+>Here we show that plants indeed emit airborne sounds, which can be detected from several meters away, both in acoustic chambers and in greenhouses. Moreover, we show that the emitted sounds carry information about the physiological state of the plant. By training machine learning models, we were able to distinguish between drought-stressed, cut, and control plants, based only on the sounds they emit
+
+So plants do scream huh?
+--- 15347545
+>>15347420
+Eating meat is the correct way of life through which you can connect with nature. Death is part of life
+--- 15347547
+>>15347443
+Depends, industrial microbiology if your country has a strong agroalimentary sector, ecological microbiology is usually a nono, sanitary microbiology tends to be safe but also overloaded with people with the same idea so competition is high, research depends a lot on your country and if you intend to do it as a hobby you will have to spend around 400-1000€
+--- 15347549
+>>15347539
+Vegans can never catch a break can they?
+--- 15348854
+Let's do a spicy topic
+How much do the cats control humans?
+Points for control:
+>Cats have gained features that make them more attractive to humans
+>Cats are often taken care of without any real work being required of them
+>Cats can give humans toxoplasmosis
+>Cats murk all wildlife they can and dominate because they get the protection and food from people
+>The population of domestic cats is ludicrous compared to other cats
+>If you move and change owners, most cats won't be too bothered
+>If you die, cats will eat your face while it's still warm
+>Cats were worhipped as god's by multiple cultures
+Points against control:
+>We control their breeding
+>We kill more cats than anything else
+>Cats can show affection towards us and see us as parts of the family
+>Cats can give us things we want without much prompting
+>Cats are useful for pest control
+>We are more intelligent
+>We did experiments on cats
+>We eat them if we're hungry
+
+Feel free to add more 
+What do you think?
+--- 15348951
+>>15348854
+I thinks it’s an interesting question but there no real solid answer to quantify right now either.
+At least with current understanding and technology.
+
+Because, for instance, how much does the toxoplasmosis affect the cats? How much does it affect the humans? We know it can make people more reckless and prone to partaking in dangerous activities.
+How does the toxo direct human, feline or rodent actions? What chemicals are involved? What causes differences in the expression of these genetic byproducts? 
+
+Before we can even consider this trifecta of “controllers”, we must establish how each member exerts their force on the others. How this exertion of direction affects the other members own manipulative actions. And so on. 
+
+Right now I see it as more of a philosophical question than a scientific one, although that’s only because I haven’t thought of a good way to quantify and experiment on these presuppositions.
+--- 15348978
+>>15348854
+>How much do the cats control humans?
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interspecies_friendship
+Species can self-domesticate to one another. Symbiosis, mutualism.
+
+There can be no answer because the framing of "control" is false. If the framing of the question is based on a false premise it cannot be said to have a truthful answer.
+--- 15349462
+>>15347545
+I have no time for your euthanasia worthy 100 IQ takes.
+1. You commit an appeal to nature fallacy. Nature has intended for humans to be naked.
+Strip. Now.
+
+2. I am not entirely tied to my genetic programming. In fact, it contains the leeway to pass what I deem moral judgments. My consciousness deem moral judgments of importance. Therefore, I enact moral judgments. According to these, meat falls outside the acceptability. Taking your non-thought further, any act would depend on the organism knowing what is its "intended modus operandi", but this is an utterly incoherent suggestion. It confuses the map (knowledge) with the territory (individual organism).
+
+You understood nothing I talked about. Absolute 90 IQ retard.
+--- 15349849
+Any at home DIY genetic engineering an amateur scientist could do? Or is the equipment too expensive?
+
+ I'm a computer guy but biology / agriculture / fungi have far more beauty and soul down to every detail. I'd like to dig deep into it.
+--- 15349915
+>>15349849
+You can just do breeding.
+Select those that reproduce relatively quickly and select the ones with the traits you want 
+Keep at it and you'll get results
+--- 15350079
+>>15349935
+I would say it depends. 
+For plants breeding seems to be most effective. 
+For large animals not so much, CRISPR/Cas might do some major things there.
+
+Dismissing any potentiality usefull approach is not helpful. 
+If you are worried about government spending money you act as a citizen, not a scientist.
+Scientific budgets are simultaneously mismanaged and too low in every country in the world.
+That's without touching upon stagnation in the education and thebeurocracy, the tendency to pick teams and other stuff like that.
+--- 15350099
+>>15350094
+You can't make bacteria process plastics or make mice that glow in the dark this way, anon.
+Therse approaches are not competing, they are complementary.
+What has genetic engineering done to make you so upset?
+--- 15350110
+>>15317239 (OP)
+Any good Anki courses for Biology on the master's level?
+I mostly see college entrance exam preparations and general knowledge.
+The amino acid one is good
+--- 15350678
+>>15347539
+Wait, what the fuck? How come this isn't huge news?
+--- 15350832
+>>15350678
+Because what the publication in itself shows that you can measure a certain range of sounds and use artificial intelligence to relate those sounds with the state of the plant. It doesn't actually talk about how other plants use those sounds.
+
+And at any rate, the subject of"plants communicate through volatile chemicals and sounds" is something that has been going on for a while, and we do know that they use chemicals to communicate but it isn't so clear that they use sounds so it isn't that revolutionary.
+--- 15350906
+>>15350678
+What's huge about it?
+If you don't try to anthropomorphize and relate to plants it's nothing too radical
+--- 15350928
+>>15317343
+>Someone was curious about animal communication and it's evolution, but that didn't go beyond the basics too
+
+Can someone explain to me how bees work?
+--- 15350961
+>>15350928
+They are eusocial insects like ants.
+The hive is the mass of genetically related insects with the majority being workers and a little bit of drones and a queen
+ Queen gas a lot of power, but workers have a lot of day collectively too. Drones are useless for anything other than procreation (I guess they are good at flying since they compete for the queen in giant swarms in the sky)
+They communicate chemically and through "dance"
+Is that enough?
+--- 15351045
+>>15350961
+Thanks. Do you know more about the dance thing?
+--- 15351443
+>>15351045
+Not my specialty unfortunately, I know more about ants and they don't dance, they get shit done (jk, bees are super important and deserve respect)
+Try this
+https://scholar.google.ru/scholar?q=bees+communication+dance&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1681484144552&u=%23p%3dlmxsqmdzv4qj
+
+Also there was a lady on JRE that works with bees. Interesting podcast.
+--- 15351506
+>>15351443
+Aren't ants just way more metal, no-fun allowed versions of bees?
+--- 15351611
+>>15351506
+Depends on the species.
+(I don't think atropomorohisms is a good thing, but I'll allow myself to do it this time)
+Some ants are hard working salt of the earth mushroom and or aphid farmers.
+Some are slavers that Forse the slaves to take care of them
+Some are blind raiders without the nest
+So e queen's just go inside the nest and kill their queen and take over
+
+Don't know much about termites and naked molerats though
+
+But bees are pretty metal too
+When the drones fullfil their function the are just not fed and then thrown out the hive to die.
+Sometimes there can be several queen candidates and then the first to be born will go around decapitating the competition one by one.
+Alternatively when the queen is old the workers can make a now one by feeding one of the larvae the royal jelly.
+After that the old and the new queen will fight to the death
+--- 15352049
+>>15351611
+Pretty neat. Do you reckon either has any type of intelligence?
+--- 15352054
+>>15350678
+Chemical signaling and so forth, like sound signaling and otherwise, has very basal forms that don't really imply anything. Cells use chemical signaling, for example, and many plants have been found to as well.
+
+I don't really know what you think is huge about it, unless you think it somehow implies some significant level of sentience or something silly?
+--- 15353389
+>>15352049
+>>15352049
+If you consider the whole hive/nest as one superorganism they are the pinnacle of arthropod intelligence.
+It's like each ant is a node in the chemically controlled computer
+Bees too.
+Different species rely on other things we can't feel like ultraviolet vision and electromagnetic fields... At least that's what I've read.
+--- 15353993
+>>15349462
+Try eating some deenz, deenz nuts
+--- 15356814
+Bump
+--- 15356819
+Biologically speaking, is there any future for gene therapy now that it's been shown to be horrifically dangerous? Will we ever find a way to do it that has an acceptable safety profile?
+--- 15357186
+>>15353993
+>this fucking guy
+--- 15357389
+>>15356819
+>gene therapy now that it's been shown to be horrifically dangerous?
+Wut?
+>Will we ever find a way to do it that has an acceptable safety profile?
+Gene therapy has been more ineffective than dangerous.
+--- 15357405
+>>15357389
+Frankly with how difficult it is to even get any of it working I think "being dangerous" would be a fucking step forward.
+--- 15357439
+hating on biology is seething over mother nature
+--- 15357481
+>>15357405
+>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17545436/
+What about this? Can I just open my feet, cut my achilles heel, drop some adenoviruses, close it up and rinse and repeat every day until I have stronger tendons?
+--- 15357522
+>>15357389
+
+>Wut?
+
+Faulty and/or accidental integration into the genome being one reason. Our genetic code is full of fucking transposable elements, HERVs, most of the narrowly suppressed and ready to copy/paste whatever shit you feed into the cell in random positions all over your chromosomes. Introducing foreign genetic material into a cell, especially when done at high dosage or with artificially increased half life is a very silly thing to do.
+--- 15358027
+Ants are cool
+How are they so immune?
+They eat trash and are brash
+But there is no population crash.
+--- 15358167
+>>15321731
+Cheers friend
+--- 15358620
+>>15358167
+Thanks. That's something to chew on
+--- 15359461
+>>15357481
+no

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+-----
+--- 15321812
+is there really only limited scientific proof that men are better than women at athletics? 
+is this an area of scientific investigation that still has a lot of low hanging fruit ready for the picking?
+--- 15321825
+>>15321812 (OP)
+Men always do better than women in most every area, except bitching, spending money on clothes, and gossip.
+--- 15322070
+>>15321812 (OP)
+do the collection of world's records constitute the results of a large series of scientific experiments on this topic? if so, this fruit hangs extremely close to the ground. too bad it would never pass peer review if someone wanted to publish it
+--- 15322103
+>>15321812 (OP)
+It's already self evident.
+--- 15322139
+>>15321812 (OP)
+>>15322103
+Doesn't matter if it was wrong anyways, modern """science""" demands you deny obvious reality to maintain itself.
+--- 15322148
+>>15322139
+>modern """science""" demands you deny obvious reality to maintain itself.
+sounds like the people involved are mentally ill & living in a deluded fantasy land of their own creation - maybe the fantasyland was imposed upon them by their excess media consumption.
+--- 15322172
+>>15322139
+>>15322148
+Enough with the antisemitism.
+--- 15324347
+>>15321812 (OP)
+
+NPR is delusional. They have left facts behind and firmly believe they can dictate reality by calling anyone who disagrees with them a bigot.
+--- 15324685
+>>15321812 (OP)
+>trans women are real women
+>trans women are just as good at sports as men
+>therefore women are just as good at sports as men
+is that their "logic"?
+--- 15324862
+>>15321812 (OP)
+>2003
+>best woman (female) golfer on the planet - possibly in history - accepts invitation to play in a low tier men's pro tour event
+>by her own account plays well
+>finishes 96th out of 111
+
+https://www.golfchannel.com/news/ten-years-later-remembering-annika-sorenstam-playing-pga-tour-colonial
+--- 15324901
+>>15321812 (OP)
+Laughable. Tennis is a very fair comparison. Takes quick movement, reactions, upper and lower body strength to excel. Even a legendary female player like a Williams or Graf would get destroyed by even a mid-level men's college player. I'm as progressive as they come but this is total horse shit.
+--- 15324921
+>>15321812 (OP)
+Wow is the media really dialing it back with the trannysm? First the army now this shit? Must be bad at Bakhmut
+--- 15324962
+>>15324921
+They're in regroup mode after Nashville but their inability to fully condemn the tranny shooter signals they'll come out of it with a quiet tolerance for literal terrorism, so there's that.
+--- 15325287
+>>15321812 (OP)
+>NPR
+--- 15327082
+>>15325287
+>NPR
+--- 15327438
+>>15327082
+Suddenlies are making this flat plane a better place.
+--- 15327610
+>>15321812 (OP)
+More of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect at play here. People will look at this outright retardation and then still believe the media when they say global warming and covid-19 are real
+--- 15327926
+>>15321825
+>Men always do better than women in most every area,
+I heard that women were as good as men in shooting competitions
+--- 15328184
+>>15327926
+Also once you get over around 100 miles it turns out women are better runners at that distance.
+--- 15328479
+>>15327926
+>>15328184
+theres limited scientific evidence for your outlandish claims, but you male feminist simps probably don't care about that
+--- 15328491
+>>15328479
+I’m no simp but there are extremely niche areas where women excel, almost by sheer happenstance. Fighter pilots, who woulda figured that one.
+--- 15328638
+>>15328491
+more simp fairy tales, lily litvyak is the most accomplished female fighter pilot, she only lasted a few months in combat before she was zapped. 
+are you a tranny?
+--- 15328657
+>>15328491
+Long distance swimming is the only sport I know of where women have a well demonstrated competitive advantage over men. Ultra long running is such a tiny sport that female advantage there might be due to few individuals who are extreme outliers. But maybe they do have an advantage there too. There just isn't enough data like there is with long distance swimming. 
+It does make me wonder if sports could be designed with the female body in mind where they'd have a built in advantage. For long distance swimming, it was discovered accidentally that there's a female advantage, probably due to differences in fat distribution and buoyancy. 
+Many sports end up advantaging people of certain attribute extremes. Being 3SD tall is an advantage in basketball. Being 3SD massive is an advantage in playing line positions in gridiron football. It's possible that sports could be intentionally designed where women are competitive or even generally better than men. It's interesting that no one seems to be attempting this, instead they focus on trying to make it look like women can outdo men in sports men clearly are dominate in.
+--- 15328975
+>>15328657
+>It's interesting that no one seems to be attempting this, instead they focus on trying to make it look like women can outdo men in sports men clearly are dominate in.
+
+I think most people understand the inherent advantages that men have, there’s just an extremely small but loud minority who push this drivel.
+--- 15329036
+>>15321812 (OP)
+I dunno about low hanging fruit, you're going to have to put some work into the experimental design to get the correct results
+
+But yes if you have no morals and only care about being published and successful in the social sciences, any studies showing there is no difference between men and women or showing similarities between trans and cis men and women will get you huge amounts of funding and social acclaim
+--- 15329050
+>>15328638
+No I was in the military and watched female fighter pilots pull high G maneuvers that would’ve blacked out any other person. 
+
+Like I said, niche things.
+--- 15329075
+>>15328184
+>once you get over around 100 miles it turns out women are better runners at that distance.
+
+>Late on Thursday night, January 6, 2022, in Israel, Sorokin did it once again, setting a (to be confirmed) new 100-mile (160.934 kilometers) world record in 10 hours, 51 minutes, and 39 seconds, as well as a new 12-hour world record by running 110.24 miles (177.41 kilometers) in that time. Sorokin held an incredible average pace of about 6:32 minutes per mile (about 4:04 minutes per kilometer) for 12 hours.
+
+>Camille Herron, a 40-year-old ultrarunner, recently broke her own 100-mile women's world record of 12:41:11 (7:37 per mi/4:44 per km) at the Jackpot 100/ @usatf Championship
+
+Where do you people get this shit
+--- 15329131
+>>15321825
+what's happening in the bottom picture?
+>>15325287
+>>15327082
+>NPR
+our taxes pay for this
+--- 15329207
+>>15329050
+How much of a difference is there between whether the head is up or down with respect to the force experienced?
+--- 15329738
+>>15329075
+Yeah my bad, looks like the number is much closer to 200 miles.
+--- 15329740
+>>15329131
+>our taxes pay for this
+NPR was recently labeled as state-funded media on Twitter and started pissing and shitting its pants about it.
+--- 15330475
+>>15329740
+I thought working for the government was supposed to be a prestigious and respected job, why are they trying to hide who they work for?
+--- 15330817
+>>15329740
+>>15329131
+>>15327082
+>>15325287
+>NPR
+--- 15331604
+>>15330817
+The organized crime gang that runs the show in D.C. does not prosecute their own corrupt activities, so the Hunter Biden story is not relevant to the news. Makes no difference how much crime the guy is involved with. NPR isn't covering the Obama campaign finance trial either, because no significant convicting can possibly come out of it.
+--- 15331617
+>>15330475
+Why indeed.
+--- 15332865
+>>15328975
+>It's just a couple of undergrads in a few departments at a small number of schools. Itself worth noticing or bothering with saying anything about.
+And now 2+2=5.
+--- 15334425
+>>15329050
+I was in the military and I saw female fighter pilots crash into mailboxes, ruining aircraft that cost tens of millions of dollars. My lived experience is as valid as yours, so don't bother questioning it.
+--- 15334718
+>>15329131
+>>15330817
+NPR are one of many terrorist organizations that have become enemies of the people and freedom.
+--- 15334720
+>>15329131
+>what's happening in the bottom picture?
+Female to male troon got BTFO by male cops.
+--- 15334937
+>>15322070
+seems like it should a pretty easy issue to analyze statistically
+--- 15334948
+>>15330817
+NPR?
+--- 15334950
+>>15334948
+NPR!
+--- 15335985
+>>15334950
+i think most of that imagery violates the no child porn comic on blue boards rule. 
+lmao that 4chan is more censored and more tasteful than elementary school libraries.
+--- 15335999
+>>15321812 (OP)
+>another poltard thread on sci
+
+lmao this board has truly become pol 2.0.
+
+Don't you incels ever get tired of making the same retarded threads day after day?
+--- 15336043
+>>15324862
+Does golf require a special level of upper body strength? Isn't it more about precision in movement?
+--- 15336058
+>>15329131
+>our taxes pay for this
+Yes, but "only" about 15% of NPR's budget comes from government.
+--- 15336067
+>>15335999
+This thread doesn't seem as sexist as these threads used to be. The sexists are getting less aggressive. They used to call for the enslavement and genocide of all women
+--- 15336091
+>>15336043
+That precision is what allows you to use your full strength. I don't play, but I enjoy the driving range. The game itself is kind of tedious.
+--- 15336108
+>>15328657
+what about sports which are separated by weight classes? for instance how much can women who weight <50kg lift vs men who weight <50kg? 
+
+it would be interesting to see if there's difference, and also if the difference changes when they allow the athlete to weight up to 70kg, 100kg and so on, and also maybe it changes if it's powerlift, squat or other different categories
+--- 15336142
+>>15336067
+You're responding to someone calling men incels, and you whine about sexism against women. How come sexism always goes one way, and the other way it's invisbile?
+
+Women truly are retarded. They should all be genocided or at least enslaved, to be honest.
+--- 15336238
+Fastest time for men in 100 meters:9.58 sec
+Fastest time for women in 100 meters: 10.5 seconds
+The women's fastest time wouldn't even make it into the top 100 of male athletes performance
+--- 15336249
+>>15336238
+confirmation bias
+women face a lot more difficulty trying to get into sports so the talent pool becomes much smaller
+--- 15336270
+>>15336249
+Not these days
+--- 15336271
+>>15336270
+how would you know chud
+--- 15336284
+>>15336249
+Lol, sometimes it's easy to forget that there are people out there who are really retarded enough to think like this.
+
+Women are weaker than men. They have no talent pool in sports. That's the bias.
+--- 15336286
+>>15336284
+any evidence to back that up chud?
+--- 15336301
+>>15336286
+evidence is me kicking the butt out of any woman I've ever met. literally piledrive them to their death in 1 second
+--- 15336304
+>>15336301
+t. has never been in a fight
+--- 15336322
+>>15336304
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFXIov-zlM [Embed]
+--- 15336377
+>>15336304
+Who is going to likely sustain a concussion more easily? I sure wonder
+--- 15336402
+>>15329131
+woman tried to compete in school shooting
+--- 15336406
+>>15336142
+--- 15336440
+>>15336286
+>Mom, look I called him chud again
+Good god, you can feel the estrogen seeping out of this post. 
+
+Look if you want to be a drooling retard who has never played sports or interacted with a woman, I don't care enough to stop you. But just know society is leaving you behind in real time. The inmates have been running the asylum, but very soon you will be back to the hated loser you deserve to be. All it took was a few trannies fucking up women in sports for a year or two.
+--- 15336443
+>>15336440
+>2 more weeks
+yeah im sure all your incel fantasies are going to become true
+--- 15336452
+>>15336443
+Does wearing women's clothing increase your opportunities for sexual activity?
+--- 15336460
+>>15336443
+>Mom now I called him an incel
+Lol, why is it that the only people who use these low IQ leftoid insults are unironically virgins? The only thing you'll ever get from a woman is pepper spray. 
+
+But at least you can know that woman was bad at sports.
+--- 15336533
+>>15321812 (OP)
+NPR is a deep state gov funded agency
+--- 15336592
+>>15336108
+Combat sports have weight classes and men pretending to be women beat the crap out of biological females even though they're both in the same weight class.
+--- 15336617
+>>15336592
+why? a women who trains as much as a man should be as strong as a man that has the same weight class, no? or are there differences in muscle density or something
+--- 15336634
+>>15336142
+women only have rights because men allowed them to have rights. it's impossible for them to refute this
+--- 15336705
+>>15336617
+have you ever met a woman fucking idiot
+they are weak
+--- 15336723
+>>15321812 (OP)
+>t. poltard incel troll
+--- 15336939
+>>15336617
+>or are there differences in muscle density or something
+Yes. Women are only half as strong as males pound-per-pound, on average. 
+
+If a woman takes large amounts of male hormones, it will help her get close to the strength of her male peers, but never quite equal them. 
+
+Male to female trannies crush all natural women competitors. 
+
+Female to male trannies never get close to defeating their male peer athletes.
+--- 15336970
+>>15336634
+--- 15337036
+>>15334948
+Nevermind tax shekels. Who in the actual fuck reads this shit and says to themselves "that is a good, entertaining use of my time".
+--- 15337887
+>>15334425
+>I was in the military and I saw female fighter pilots crash into mailboxes
+...during high-g manoeuvres?
+--- 15337889
+>>15321825 
+fpbp
+--- 15337998
+>>15337887
+Yes. And you can't question the validity of my lived experience, which is just as believable as any other post here.
+--- 15338595
+>>15335985
+--- 15338656
+>>15328657
+Tittisumo - the ancient sport of trying force an opponent out of the ring by pressing your heaving, naked bosoms into theirs. Women would have a distinct advantage over men and I guarantee it'd get audience numbers that would rival most professional male athletic competitions.
+>Welcome back viewers, if you're just joining us we're now coming up on the long-awaited semi-finals match between the reigning champion from Russia, Masha Rostova and her 35 EEs, and the young up-and-coming American competitor, Daisy Malloy from Arkansas and her 37 GGs. What are our predictions for this match, John?
+>Well, Sammantha, Malloy certainly has the obvious size advantage over Rostova, and that's gotten her a lot of momentum in the competition, so far, but never underestimate the importance of technique.
+>You're saying size isn't everything?
+>That's right, Sammantha, as you and the other members of the committee know all too well.
+--- 15338664
+>>15338656
+--- 15338679
+>>15338664
+Those are moobs, not titties.
+--- 15339897
+>>15335999
+>lmao this board has truly become pol 2.0.
+u wish
+/pol/ is a popular influential board with a lot of noteworthy content.
+--- 15340092
+>>15336043
+Power is valuable but not indispensible, especially before the Tiger Woods aftermath changed the average pro golfer from a fat dude smoking a cigar to a ripped athlete. Corey Pavin was famous for having a relatively low driving distance (around the same as Sorenstam's would've been) but still being a top-tier player in roughly the same timeframe.
+--- 15340105
+>>15339897
+also the dick pics
+--- 15340176
+NPR stopped using their Twitter ever since Musk put the "state sponsored media" tag on it. You'd think they'd be proud to be officially sanctioned by the government of their nation. Anyone have an idea why they're ashamed of that instead?
+--- 15340878
+>>15340176
+>Why would a media outlet be ashamed of being outed as state propaganda?
+The whole point of journalism (theoretically) is to hold powerful people and institutions accountable. If all we wanted was regime press releases we have simpler ways to get those.
+--- 15340928
+>>15340176
+Because they dont want to admit they're doing the bidding of the government. 
+
+Also, NPR is labeled as "gov funded media", which they are. They get 1% of direct federal money, plus ~35% of money from member stations who majority of their money from federal CPC funding. In other words, NPR gets ~10% of their funding from federal government. They're proud of it too.
+--- 15340964
+>>15321812 (OP)
+I personally think the superior women are actually men.
+Are they really a true woman without a feminine benis?
+--- 15340967
+>>15336723
+t. whyumadtho?
+--- 15341203
+>>15335999
+Don't you trannies ever get tired of posting the same jpg day after day?
+--- 15341207
+>>15328657
+>It does make me wonder if sports could be designed with the female body in mind where they'd have a built in advantage.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Ylv_YNyxc [Embed]
+--- 15341222
+>>15324347
+>outcomes differences 
+that's not even proper english
+--- 15341228
+>>15341222
+Pointing out their illiteracy is also bigotry.
+--- 15341303
+>>15341207
+I generally don't consider anything that relies on judges scoring it to be a real sport. Boxing is sort of an exception but is also very prone to corruption due to that voting. Boxing could be until someone gets knocked out and be able to ditch the scoring.
+--- 15341442
+>>15341303
+yeah, something with judges is more of an art contest than a sport. boxing only has them because the bookies need to have a winner declared to make maximum cash
+--- 15341508
+NPR is now edited their own wiki page, referencing themselves as a source, to contest the idea that they're state sponsored. However they are not giving back the money or real estate they get from the government nor calling for an end to future funding & gibes.
+--- 15341707
+>>15341508
+lol this is just sad. "Operates independently" yet they receive government funding how is that independent?
+--- 15342088
+>>15341707
+because they have the loudest voice and because non of their commercial competitors want to profit by highlighting this story even though siphoning off npr's audience would be worth a pile of money to them. really makes you wonder if all the major media outlets aren't tightly controlled by an overseeing body rather than the independent operations they claim to be.
+--- 15342122
+>>15342088
+No need for a conspiracy. All journalists are glued to social media, and social media breeds conformity and groupthink by design.
+--- 15342454
+>>15322172
+Please provide researched, sourced and peer-reviewed proof that modern science denial is antisemitism?
+Wait...do you actually believe that modern science is a product of an antisemitic conspiracy theory and not just the result of loss of scientific rigor as a side-effect of the rejection of modernism? And then you assume anons here are dogwhistling about that conspiracy theory, then you project about it? Hah, what a fiery but peaceful protest! Wait 'til Twitter hears about that one!
+Also, do you realize you are stereotyping Jewish minority folk by implying they are exclusively known for their modern scientific exploits?
+>>/pol/, you moronic twat; you obviously don't belong here.
+--- 15342611
+>>15342122
+>social media breeds conformity and groupthink by design.
+by who's design? in-q-tel's? do u know what in-q-tel is? u probably never heard of it
+--- 15343707
+>>15342454
+Lurk more.
+--- 15344261
+>>15342122
+>social media breeds conformity and groupthink by design
+
+Nice "social media" there, pics related. 
+
+Too bad your theory doesn't pan out. Its not social media breeding conformity. Its top down elite leadership giving orders. In the particular case, its the US government doing so.
+--- 15344271
+>>15344261
+p2.
+
+The "social media breeds conformity" is nonsense. Its what people say when they either dont understand how information is relayed or that they know how it works and wants to deflect the blame. The source of conformity comes from the elites.
+--- 15345631
+>>15341508
+They're full of shame and trying desperately to hide their lying and duplicity
+--- 15347562
+>>15342611
+What is in-q-tel?
+--- 15348376
+>>15321812 (OP)
+the entire field of developmental biology, entire genes in men that promote larger muscle mass and size development, thicker bone structure, larger vocal chords, actual quanitifiable differences that we know are linked to genes specific to men and women.
+Like how do people even deny this shit, its like x and y chromosomes mean nothing, because some outlier freaks exist.
+--- 15350542
+>>15322070
+Scientists deny all evidence that isn't (((peer reviewed))). They're incapable of reason.
+--- 15350609
+>>15350033
+Most female athletes want to compete against each other. Not against a failed male.
+--- 15351791
+>>15321812 (OP)
+modern science is filled with nothing but double standards that contradict each other
+--- 15352375
+>>15335999
+Kys
+--- 15352444
+>>15352375
+someone who makes the same repost over and over and over again is already dead on the inside
+--- 15352973
+>>15334948
+--- 15353397
+>>15344261
+>>15344271
+that twitter files stuff got swept under the rug real fast, happened in december & its already buried in the memory hole. 
+meanwhile the same people who were moderating twitter are still working there and still running all the other social media sites too, including 4chan
+--- 15353409
+>>15353397
+Twitter went from 7800 employees to ~1500 employees. -80%. Its not "the same" people. "The same" people you are thinking of were fired/quit.
+
+Also it didnt get swept under the rug, it just wasn't covered by MSM because it implicated those media as a tool for state censorship propaganda. It not only implicates the MSM as tools for censorship, but these people dont see anything wrong with it.
+--- 15353947
+>>15336249
+What stops the pro female athletes from entering the men’s competitions? There’s literally nothing stopping them, it’s entirely open and not actually only for men. Fuck you’re dumb.
+--- 15353971
+>>15336249
+>so the talent pool becomes much smaller
+If men and women are the same, the distribution of women's pool should be the same as the men's pool. So if there are 10 times more male athletes than female athletes, you'd expect to see females make about 10 % of the world records.
+--- 15354570
+>>15353695
+right, that twitter files stuff got swept under the rug real fast, happened in december & its already buried in the memory hole.
+--- 15354605
+>>15353695
+>>15354570
+Again, you're just not paying attention. Its still a current thing. Your usual sources refuse to cover it for reasons stated above. But the congress and other side of the party is still active in discussion and legal activities(multiple lawsuits filed).
+--- 15354839
+>>15350542
+No, academic journals do. Scientists read preprints pretty regularly because no one wants to wait a year to read their colleagues papers
+--- 15355958
+>>15354605
+the new congress has been in session for 100 days without accomplishing anything, by the end of summer they'll be saying "election year coming up, we can't do anything controversial now" and they'll hold the ball and run out the clock in order to maintain the corrupt status quo
+--- 15355974
+>>15355958
+Its just the tip of the iceberg for actual law, the current investigation is leading to a much deeper host of issues across the industry. There's a reason why its taking so long, its a huge system built up over the decade.
+--- 15357277
+>>15354605
+>Your usual sources refuse to cover it
+swept under the rug
+--- 15358513
+>>15336723
+This is a science thread, if you want to chimp out over politics >>>/pol/

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+-----
+--- 15323766
+How developed would science today be if the Nazis won the war?
+--- 15323772
+>>15323766 (OP)
+About the same since no one is making any new scientific discoveries. Low hanging fruit was picked already.
+--- 15323796
+>>15323772
+>About the same
+USA wouldn't go to the moon if it wasn't for german scientists.
+--- 15323838
+>>15323796
+Nazis wouldn't have bothered going to the moon without Anglo encouragement and institutions.
+--- 15323840
+Take into account what was or wasn't considered Jewish science by them. Medicine and military technology would most likely advance faster.
+--- 15323846
+>>15323838
+They were already planning on space exploration before the war. I don't know why you would think something so ridiculous.
+--- 15323864
+>>15323796
+So... the same? lol retard
+--- 15323868
+>>15323864
+Cosmology would probably be more developed than it is now, and there would have been much more investment in nuclear energy with a much higher margin of safety.
+--- 15323870
+>>15323766 (OP)
+It's highly unlikely Germany would've experienced any sort of economic boom post-war, taking into account their autarkical economy and colonial-preferential trading system. I doubt they would've gotten very far in general technological advancement compared to our timeline, military technology would probably be marginally better.
+--- 15323896
+>>15323868
+How though? As you said, all the Nazi scientists just moved to USA and kept doing their thing. What was lost?
+--- 15323906
+>>15323766 (OP)
+We would have had colonies in other galaxies by the 80's
+--- 15323912
+>>15323766 (OP)
+imagine having negro free streets that are safe to walk at night in white countries. Ahhh the good ole days
+--- 15323943
+>>15323766 (OP)
+There's no timeline where the Axis wins the war, but i'll bite the bait and make my educated guess.
+
+As said above, military and spatial technology would have certainly progressed under the Nazi industrial complex: missiles, nuclear, jet engines, rockets, you call them.
+
+There would have certainly been a lot of progress in medicine and genetics, and there would be no obstacle for the nazis to experiment and explore eugenics through biotechnologies such as GMOs or fetal gene editing. The Japanese, on their side, would have a lead on bioweapons (unit 731).
+
+I think there would however be other areas of science where science would have regressed, due to ideology. Jewish scientists who contributed in our timeline to theoretical physics, math or chemistry would not have done so in this timeline. The Nazis were also obsessed with Eugenics and the Aryan race, which I imagine would create a massive bias in science. Think about what Lyssenkoism was to the USSR: communism believed in nurture not nature, which led agronomists to disregard any hereditary causes in plant growing, and thus bad harvest. I imagine that in the Nazi Reich we would have the polar opposite: Nazi scientists believing in hereditary causes and not environmental causes, with equally bad consequences.
+
+Maybe science would have converged anyway with our timeline with what would have been an inevitable alternate Cold War between the Nazis and the Japanese Empire, although I guess Information Technology would have definitely taken a different turn (no internet, but something alternative?)
+--- 15323951
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Same if not worse. Nazis would have killed millions more including many smart engineers and scientists. The recovery to ante bellum would have been costlier and thus slower.
+--- 15323956
+>>15323796
+What does that have to do with some world where Germany won?
+Do you realize germans still exist and work as scientists and did so after their defeat?
+--- 15323962
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Dumbass german polesmokers couldn't even figure out proximity fuzes
+--- 15323967
+>>15323846
+>planning
+Cheap talk, the first rocket to reach space was made by Goddard, an American in 1920. And rockets are not some huge feat of science, its just about being able to make huge but simple machines, not nobel in physics type of genius.
+--- 15323974
+>>15323912
+Negro infested streets are safer than german infested streets.
+Few thousand rapes are nothing compared to tens of millions of deaths.
+--- 15323977
+>>15323943
+>Nazi industrial complex: missiles, nuclear, jet engines, rockets, you call them.
+All that shit exists already. Progress more how?
+--- 15323979
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Dysgenics would not be as profound, if not outright reversed. An extra few IQ points, and a few other factors, one could reasonably assume science would be more advanced.
+--- 15323991
+>>15323979
+>Dysgenics would not be as profound
+Bro all the quality men died leaving behind the cowardly, weak, feeble, and retarded. We're living in the dystopic timeline.
+>extra few IQ points
+From more dead Europeans?
+--- 15323997
+>>15323979
+Just ban antibiotics and theres an eugenics program
+--- 15324003
+Alot more. Imagine all of europe under nazi control. There would be no money wastes on the weak. No money for blacks and arabs. No social programs. But on the other side jews would all be dead. And they are a huge part of innovation. A small group of jews have contributed more to innovation than all of Latin America and Africa and Middle East and Eastern Europe combined. Think about that. Only western Europe and America and Canada and eastern Asia have done as much or more. And jews are less than 1 percent of the population.
+--- 15324004
+>>15323991
+Well for one, the Germans partook in eugenics practices such as sterilizations (as was fashionable at the time e.g. Sweden and America). They also actively opposed liberalism and it's corollaries. And encouraged the best among them to reproduce (e.g. loans and houses to married couples, and then a 25% loan forgiveness per child, once reaching 4 children the loan was completely forgiven).
+Most obvious is limited dysgenic northbound immigration.
+--- 15324009
+Nazis eschew free speech and cherished bloodlines so you can be sure their research institutes would be full of inbred nobility afraid to speak their minds
+--- 15324013
+>>15323979
+> An extra few IQ points
+How would this help advance science? It's not like a giant community ouija board where everyone in the country pools their IQ together and magically figures out solutions to engineering problems
+--- 15324014
+>>15324003
+>No social programs
+What makes you think there would not be social programs in nazi europe?
+--- 15324015
+>>15324003
+>But on the other side jews would all be dead
+I don't care to get on a debate about the holocaust and how it totally is not victor propaganda e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Corpse_Factory
+except one side suffered a total defeat.
+But even according to mainstream historiography, the original plan was deportation and resettlement of jews. For example using Wikipedia which you probably like
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
+So it depends on when the Germans "won". If the British were sensible and accepted peace in the early 40s, again even according to mainstream historiography, the Holocaust would not happen.
+--- 15324018
+>>15324013
+A 5 point increase in IQ points means there are nearly 2-3x more 130+ IQ people.
+--- 15324019
+>>15323896
+The postwar consensus on physics has been a disaster for science. If the Nazis won then none of those scientists would have been able to create an iron grip on the discipline.
+--- 15324026
+Post war Germany is a hell of a lot wealthier than pre war Germany and has much more investment in science and technology due to its economy not being the size of Iran's as it was in the 1930s.
+--- 15324035
+>muh wunderwaffles
+This board is retarded
+--- 15324036
+>>15324026
+Germany in the mid late 1930s after Hitler took power was wealthier and had a higher standard of living than pretty much any country in the world.
+--- 15324049
+>>15324018
+So? Say it's a 20 point increase and there are now millions of 130+ IQ people. Science is "advanced" by at most 3-4 people per generation. Not by millions of people who are trivially better at identifying patterns. Other aspects of society might be different but certainly not "advanced" science.
+--- 15324054
+>>15324019
+Such as?
+--- 15324057
+>>15324049
+>t. 90 IQ retard
+--- 15324059
+>>15324049
+>Science is "advanced" by at most 3-4 people per generation
+This is not true. But let's say this were the case, do you consider 160 IQ a prerequisite? Okay, well now we have 4x such people. 
+Never mind the massive societal difference it also has at the other end to have less retards and criminals etc.
+--- 15324072
+>>15324054
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaC_aKqjCXU [Embed]
+--- 15324092
+>>15324059
+There would have been no significant advancement in rocket science without von Braun. I'd take him working with a team of trained monkeys over a nation of people who scored 160 on an IQ test. For science purposes.
+--- 15324109
+>>15324057
+38. I'm the world record holder, having defeated the anonymous Kalahari incumbent.
+--- 15324112
+>>15323838
+Your dellusional.
+The reich had plans for bases on the moon, mars, and europa. They also had a blue print for 2 fully functioning space stations.
+--- 15324128
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Stone age. They would keep fighting over who is more white until society collapses. Nazism is basically right wing version of being woke. It's literally called "socialism". But unlike under liberalism, they would try to micromanage society even more. Genius is different, he needs the right resources and time to develop. You need to leave him alone, or in a small group, which would never have happened in Nazi Germany. It's the same reason why Islamic societies never produce anything great, or China. Also you can be sure 4chan wouldn't exist in Nazi Germany and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
+--- 15324141
+>>15324128
+>Also you can be sure 4chan wouldn't exist in Nazi Germany and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
+It's okay. That means most people have stable life and a house and affordable autobahn. These stable life don't need the internet that much. Thus, they don't need 4chan.
+>It's the same reason why Islamic societies never produce anything great, or China
+Dubai looks nice. Algebra, what we usually use have contribution from Muslim scholars. China produces food and affordable tech.
+--- 15324155
+>>15324128
+>They would keep fighting over who is more white until society collapses.
+But they never even did that before the war when they could have. If you contributed to society you were an "honorary Aryan" and it didn't even matter your real race. The Nazis didn't have the one-drop rule of race that the USA does, for them race was a spiritual characteristic just as much as an ethnic one.
+--- 15324219
+>>15324112
+>The reich had plans for bases on the moon, mars, and europa. They also had a blue print for 2 fully functioning space stations.
+Please provide source, that sounds dope.
+--- 15324225
+>>15324003
+>Nazi Germany
+>No social programs
+This is what Mickey D does to your brain.
+--- 15324243
+>>15324141
+They made some things in the past (nowhere near the Greece/Rome level though), but the past was unstable, lots of random factors influenced outcomes. It's better to compare them now, when everyone has equal access to knowledge and lots of time to study. China produces lots of stuff but mostly by copying the West.
+>>15324155
+They had a common enemy. The US also functioned much better when they were fighting an external enemy. Imo, it's best to look at this as individualism vs collectivism. Collectivism is important during times of war, but if society is oriented towards the masses, it might maintain itself, but it won't progress. Very often though, it will degenerate, because the masses don't want AGI and space exploration, they want cheaper stuff, less work, more entertainment, more equality etc. This obviously destroys all higher life. The question is, would Nazi Germany have been able to solve their problem with collectivism, and put the great individuals above the herd. We can only speculate, but generally historically societies similar to Nazi Germany haven't succeeded at that. The best example that comes to mind is Athens vs Sparta. Sparta (Nazis) won, but they didn't value great science/art/philosophy enough and because of that stagnated and eventually decayed. I think there's a tradeoff between freedom and health of the people. Too much freedom and society becomes extremely degenerate like ours. Too little freedom and people are less degenerate, but there's also no room for exceptions and those who think differently and create new things.
+--- 15324274
+Their aryan theory was total bullshit but undoubtedly a much better attitude towards IQ and technology than the alternative which honestly feels like the soon extinction of life on earth
+--- 15324283
+>>15324026
+>Post war Germany is a hell of a lot wealthier than pre war Germany
+You mean after signing the treaty of Versailles and being purposefully bankrupted ten going through the WORLDWIDE great depression the entire globe suffered from? Wow look at the big brain on this moron everyone. He larps like he knows science then in his free time larps like he knows history too. What a busy little midwit
+--- 15324290
+Hi there I'm from the timelime where that happened, it's all the same except we have vegans in this one instead of trannies.
+--- 15324725
+>>15323766 (OP)
+I think near the same but not quite. The Nazis were very greedy and making everything controlled by the state means less creativity in advancement. Pic related is pretty relevant.
+--- 15324730
+>>15323943
+>There's no timeline where the Axis wins the war
+There is one were the European Axis does
+--- 15324734
+>>15324725
+--- 15324736
+Imagine basically what the Soviets did to Eastern Europe, the Nazis would do to western Europe with a fascist spin. Ironically Russia and the US might even become long term allies in this timeline, meaning no cold war, no space race (the US used nazi scientists to get to the moon). Basically the world would enter a scientific dark age, since the Nazis really didn't value science at all, and the US/Russia wouldn't have had anyone to compete with in that department. It's unlikely the Nazis would have been able to stage a full on invasion of the US mainland, but without advanced aeronautics the US might have been vulnerable.
+
+Basically we would have had a lot more world wars and stagnation.
+--- 15324748
+>>15324736
+Germany had no intention of ever invading America. Read something other than allied propaganda, and I mean this genuinely and without intent to insult. 
+For social and economic stuff, read 
+>Wages of Destruction (mainstream book)
+>Hitler's Revolution (not mainstream book).
+For relating to the war, to get a different perspective I recommend -- in addition to Hitler's Revolution -- the following
+>Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War, 
+>The Origins of the Second World War (
+Both are unsympathetic to Hitler and the Hitler regime, just take a more nuanced view that isn't le ebil nazi war mongerers
+>Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War 
+This one relates to the war with the USSR. 
+Supplementary reading are the following
+>Churchill and the Jews (written by Churchill's biographer, the title was not meant as an insult)
+>Mein Kampf (Stalag or Daltron translation)
+>Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny
+>Hitler's War and the War Path 
+I know you have heard of the maxim that history is written by the victor (often attributed to Hermann Goring), or that "History is a set of agreed upon lies" (Napoleon), but take it seriously, especially in the case where the loser suffers a total defeat.
+--- 15324764
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Didn't the Nazis do stupid shit like not accept scientific theories that were connected to Jews? Like denied relativity because of Einstein?
+--- 15324766
+>>15324734
+Words are just that, we know for a fact he didn't like Christianity but needed it for support. Who is to say he wasn't lying about this either
+--- 15324770
+>>15324748
+Also, there is a small book titled
+>What the World Rejected: Hitler's Peace Offers From 1933 to 1940
+https://archive.org/details/wtwrh
+This doesn't cover everything. For example no mention of certain peace offers made to the British (other than Hitler's "A Last Appeal To Reason", which was dropped as a leaflet over the British isles by the Luftwaffe), which were excessively generous (for example, a withdrawal from all of Western and Southern Europe, reestablishment of a Polish state, a 25-year military alliance with the British would provide her empire with help whenever and wherever needed).
+Also, Here is the man in his own words
+https://odysee.com/@AnthonyCorvinus:a/HitlerSpeeches:e
+--- 15324788
+>>15324766
+His religiosity and personal beliefs were not obvious. Those who knew him attest to his religious beliefs clashing with his intelligence. Here I am citing a close friend of his Leon Degrelle:
+>Propagandists portrayed Hitler as an atheist. He was not. He had contempt for hypocritical and materialistic clerics, but he was not alone in that. He believed in the necessity of standards and theological dogmas, without which, he repeatedly said, the great institution of the Christian church would collapse. These dogmas clashed with his intelligence, but he also recognized that it was hard for the human mind to encompass the problems of creation, its limitless scope and breathtaking beauty. He acknowledged that every human being had spiritual needs. 
+https://archive.org/stream/hdbld/Hitler%20Democrat%20by%20L%C3%A9on%20Degrelle_djvu.txt
+--- 15324808
+>>15324283
+>You mean after signing the treaty of Versailles a
+No, it was much wealthier than anything before ww1. Germany was a dump that hungry people were emigrating from.
+--- 15324809
+>>15323766 (OP)
+>How developed would science today be if the Nazis won the war?
+/pol/cels are incapable of realizing that nazism would have gone the exact same route as communism, namely it would have started to quickly degrade after the death of Hitler.
+This is how dictatorships work, they keep getting worse generation by generation, not the opposite
+--- 15324825
+Why does a discussion of some hypothetical timeline where Nazi Germany won devolve into some argument about Hitler? Germany isn't Hitler and its likely he would have died of old age in the 1960s.
+--- 15324827
+>>15324809
+Singapore and the CCP stand as clear counter-examples.
+--- 15324847
+>>15324788
+His plans for the church and Himmler's dislike for Christianity say quite a bit. Especially if you believe the tabletalks to be legitimate.
+--- 15324849
+>>15324808
+>No, it was much wealthier than anything before ww1
+https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-maddison-2020?tab=map&time=1913&country=Western+Europe~Western+Offshoots~East+Asia~South+and+South-East+Asia~Middle+East~Eastern+Europe~Latin+America~Sub-Sahara+Africa~OWID_WRL~DEU
+--- 15324850
+>>15324827
+The CCP was propped up by the west, not a great example.
+--- 15324851
+>>15324849
+It was still a shithole were millions of people were emigrating from.
+--- 15324863
+>>15324851
+Shithole by what standard? So economically they're up there with anyone except America. Culturally obviously this is the land of Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Euler, Wagner, Goethe, Gauss etc.
+Here are their cities:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQs5VxNPhzk [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiK3rH2hXc [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2L_IHmSdS0 [Embed]
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiK3rH2hXc [Embed]
+--- 15324915
+>>15324863
+>Shithole by what standard
+By the standard that they were emigrating by the millions and could only keep the line up by shedding their poorest underclass. Just like scandinavians did too. All poor were basically kicked out daily.
+--- 15324923
+>>15324915
+Looking at the time periods in question 1890-1910, Germany had a lower rate of emigration than all countries listed except France. Extending that to 1870-1910, it largely remains below the UK, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland.
+https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Emigration-rates-from-selected-European-countries-1850-1910-number-of-emigrants-per_tbl1_268504526
+--- 15324956
+>>15323766 (OP)
+>ywn a cold war with jermans vs american jews timeline
+This hits hard bros
+--- 15324967
+>>15324923
+>lower rate of emigration
+I didnt say the rest of Europe wasnt a dump also. 
+Yes, europe was poor and Germany too was poor. This is related to my post that post-war Germany was much wealthier than it was before vww2 or before ww1. This is relevant to the thread because it shows modern Germany has much more money to invest in all kinds of scientific research than older Germany had. 
+But science still advances slow, globally, because all the easy science has been done already.
+It isn't like german research institutes are rotting because the money goes to feed africans. There's just a lot more money for everything.
+--- 15324979
+>>15324967
+So your argument has reduced to the entire world was a shithole? Your statement essentially becomes meaningless.
+With the rest of your post, I do not see how it is relevant to a scenario in which Europe won the war. Such a world would still mean Germany making progress and having more money. 
+>But science still advances slow, globally, because all the easy science has been done already.
+You are not taking into account dysgenics. European intelligence has definitely decreased as a necessary consequence of breeding patterns since the industrial revolution. It is another thing to estimate by how much, though most I have seen point to a drop in genetic g equivalent to about 8-15 points since the mid-late 1800s. Books on this topic include "Modernity and Cultural Decline" and "At Our Wits End".
+Germany championed eugenic policies which would reverse this. And also limit dysgenic mass immigration. 
+With respect to the low-hanging fruit argument, this might have some merit to it too. Though of course a lower IQ society would think so. What we definitely know for a fact is that g has decreased in Europe and the West at large.
+--- 15325404
+>>15324003
+>jews have contributed more to innovation than eastern Europe
+retarded mutt
+--- 15325405
+>>15323956
+Are you fucking stupid? 
+No Führer, No Idea, No thrive, No Volksgemeinschaft. 
+Why live
+--- 15325407
+>>15324009
+>research institutes would be full of inbred nobility afraid to speak their minds
+Uh...who's gonna tell him?
+--- 15325412
+>>15324128
+>Islamic societies never produce anything great, or China
+Fucking retard
+>4chan wouldn't exist in Nazi Germany
+Good
+--- 15325414
+>>15324274
+I agree 100%
+--- 15325416
+>>15324736
+>Nazis really didn't value science at all
+How does the most scientifically developed nation not value science?
+--- 15325423
+We wouldn't have smartphones for another 200 years
+--- 15325433
+>>15323838
+this is funny because
+--- 15325447
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Eugenics (Genetic Engineering), Space Colonisation (they were big on Rocketry), would have been big. 
+Apart from it, Europeans would be more in numbers and they wouldn't be a dying geriatric population, Nazis would have conquered entire Russia and then Britain & US, there would have been a United Empire of sorts, South Africa and Rhodesia would still Exist as. >>15323796
+This is true for russia too, both American and Russian Space programmes were work by German Engineers and scientists.
+--- 15325450
+>>15325416
+>most scientifically developed nation
+On par with every other north european country and America. Scientific research at high levels is international
+--- 15325452
+>>15325447
+>both American and Russian Space programmes were work by German E
+How many times do you have to read that the first rocket to reach space was built by Goddard, an American in the 1920s before it sticks to your cranium?
+--- 15325456
+>>15325423
+Based
+--- 15325463
+>>15325452
+The first rocket to reach space was a German V2 rocket launched in 1944, retarded mutt.
+--- 15325467
+>>15323896
+>>15323956
+>What does that have to do with some world where Germany won?
+They valued capable people, unlike modern society which values agression.
+--- 15325653
+>>15325467
+They killed 50 million white people, mostly young men
+--- 15325658
+>>15325653
+They mostly killed Russian mongloids so that's factually wrong.
+--- 15325680
+>>15325447
+>Nazis would have conquered entire Russia and then Britain & US, there would have been a United Empire of sorts
+sigh
+Many of you have this cartoonish image of the Germans as trying to take over the world. 
+Germany wanted nothing but peace with the Western powers, specially England whom she greatly admired. 
+First off, with Poland. German invasion of Poland was made after long and repeated efforts to bring about a peaceful solution to the absurd situation in Danzig, where a major German city and port, was largely under Polish control, despite the people wanting to be a part of the Reich. Germany made extremely reasonable demands, for example pic rel.
+https://www.der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/39-04-28.htm
+Poland at the time was a highly chauvinistic state, and fancied herself a great power after having defeated the Soviets in the 1920s. They had in fact, mobilized long before the Germans did, and traditionally that is effectively equivalent to a deceleration of war. After having the British grantee Polish generals wanted a war with Germany while the guarantee was still warm. Germany acted in a completely standard way and solved the problem by force. This was a gamble as the Germans did not expect the French and British to declare war, as that would foolishly turn a local conflict, into a global one. And so they did. Naturally in self-defense Germany was forced to invade the low-countries and France, to knock that major power out of the war. All the while begging for peace, sources and example terms are given here.>>15324748 >>15324766
+As for the USSR. To illustrate the danger they posed, the Soviets had more tanks, air planes, and paratroopers than the rest of the world combined, practically all along the German-Soviet border; a truly gargantuan force. Germany was thus forced into an act of desperation. Subjugate or fight. The sacrifices of the Germans, inflicting massive losses to the Red Army, stopped them from conquering more than they did.
+--- 15325686
+>>15325680
+Here is an example of realistic borders in the event of a peace with the west. Not the conquering of British, French and Americans etc., that's nonsense.
+--- 15325697
+>>15323974
+>tens of millions of deaths.
+But think of the kind of humans that would rise from the ashes
+--- 15325831
+>>15323766 (OP)
+You would drive your 12 cylinder 6x6 hydrogen BMW on an underground autobahn to the Breitspurbahn station and park it in the multistory car parks housed within the giant hydrogen-electric train. You eat breakfast in the restaurant carriage (top floor for Aryans only), watch the widescreen television in the lounge and retrieve your motorcar. You may now finish your commute on the road, but if there is too much traffic you also have the option of driving to a city transit station to pick up the personal rapid transit system (for Aryans) or the subway train (for non-Aryans) or the triple-decker bus (for Untermenschen).
+Either way, you will now spend the next 10 hours retrieving files from a meticulously catalogued tape archive and copying them to an external hard drive using an autistic file and directory naming convention reminiscent of library classification systems. You will then print all your files on recycled paper and arrange them in a ring binder using another giga-autistic system and present them to your boss, who nods approvingly upon seeing that you took the time to add plastic hole reinforcers to every page, and treasury tags to every subsection.
+He invites you and several other co-workers to join him at the local nightclub, where you all take pervitin and enjoy lap dances performed by dusky beauties from the colonies (acquired from Britain and France after the war). It is too late to go home, so you rent one of the new Japanese microhotel rooms and crash for the night.
+>tldr; They were suspicious of some forms of theoretical science, particularly those pioneered by Jews. On the other hand they liked investing in large engineering projects. They also loved nature conservation, but were a lot less retarded about it than your typical Anglo tree-hugger of the time. So overall I'd say slightly less developed (maybe 10-20 years behind), but with much better infrastructure, faster industrial growth and green tech that works.
+--- 15326066
+>>15323956
+>Do you realize germans still exist
+Debatable. Germans of today remind me of what men look like after they've been castrated.
+--- 15326100
+>>15324825
+Not only that, how is it even possible to discuss the counterfactual in terms of science? The question of whether science might have developed differently under different forms of government has no basis in science, only politics.
+--- 15326211
+>>15325686
+>my alternative history larp is totally realistic
+>conquering France is nonsense
+--- 15326250
+>>15326211
+They were forced to defeat and occupy France. The alternative is have France do the same to you, given that France declared war on Germany and attempted an invasion
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offensive
+The Maginot line was so successful, it forced the Germans to have to attack through the low countries. 
+France was never incorporated into the Reich, nor was there any intention ever on doing so.
+
+With respect to the rest, I don't intend to try to undo 80 years of Allied propaganda on you.
+--- 15326307
+>>15326250
+Maybe you should go back to /his/.
+--- 15326313
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Very advanced. Liberalism is the neo dark ages.
+--- 15326379
+>>15326307
+This is a /sci/ board and I am a math student.
+--- 15326435
+>>15323766 (OP)
+We'd already have a base of Mars for sure.
+--- 15326568
+>>15323838
+>Nazis wouldn't have bothered going to the moon without Anglo encouragement and institutions.
+--- 15326611
+>>15324015
+Sorry chud, AI disagrees!!
+--- 15326656
+>>15326611
+ChatGPT and wikipedia are perfect examples of how modern ideology is practically no different from religious dogmas of the past. 
+Except in this case, instead of worshiping the teachings of Christ and Christianity, what has replaced it is ideologies such as liberalism (many of the following are just corollaries of it), egalitarianism, humanitarianism, democracy, feminism, anti-"racism" etc.
+Instead of the founding origin myth being Genesis, it is WW2 and the Holocaust mythos.
+--- 15326667
+Probably less developed than it is now.
+--- 15326741
+>>15323766 (OP)
+they considered alot of science to be jew science, so limited
+--- 15326754
+>>15326667
+>nuh but the internets told me hecking nazi's were really technically inventive
+they were onpar with allies in terms of technology including turbojets and rockets, you only see the germans use them more as a last resort
+--- 15326765
+>>15326741
+Was it any good science, or was it all the same replication crisis stuff we're stuck with now?
+--- 15326839
+>>15326765
+they considered, nuclear physics and quantum physics to be jew science. those field are used alot in computing, communication systems, nuclear energy, material sciences, genetics, chemistry
+
+ironically everything hitlers wanted germany to be good at
+>ecologically minded, pure white aryans, with cheap access to energy and strong materials needed to build his super cities in a empire spanning continents
+theyd be perpetually stuck in the 1940's
+--- 15326842
+>>15326839
+>nuclear physics
+No they didn't.
+>quantum physics
+Oh, so replication crisis stuff. Yeah so we wouldn't have lost out on anything important.
+--- 15326845
+probably not very. socialism doesn't incentive's technological development.
+--- 15327004
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Less advanced because quantum physics was considered too jewish
+
+we need that quantum shit to make our modern electronics work
+--- 15327118
+>>15327004
+Nazi Germany literally invented nuclear fission
+--- 15327154
+>>15327118
+And the electronic computer (at IBM).
+--- 15327285
+Social sciences and humanities would be far more advanced, except economics and philosophy.
+Math and sciences would be about the same. Biology and medicine would be more advanced, though.
+--- 15327346
+>>15323868
+Way more advances in mathematical logic, physics, and AI outside the Anglosphere ghetto. No string theory or Bourbaki bullshitification of science. But Chomsky would have got the gas so there's a wildcard there.
+--- 15327353
+>>15326839
+Sign me up. The 1940s were peak civilization.
+--- 15327377
+>>15327285
+you're a mentally ill pervert who jacks off to children's cartoons, you probably collect real kiddie porn too, nobody cares about your inevitably moronic opinions
+--- 15327381
+>>15323943
+Germans had the best teletype and also television and things like Enigma with just mechanical devices. They also had Konrad Zuse who is way more chad than Alan Turing. No internet is really dumb. Japanese lead telecommunications tech and if they had created the internet instead of DARPA imagine the Japanese version of the TCP/IP stack. Your analysis is dumb.
+--- 15327385
+>>15327381
+Germans literally invented magnetic data storage (wire reels). People have no clue just how much of what we depend on for modernity to exist came out of Germany in the 30s and 40s. Part of the reason why it feels like technological advancement has plateaued is that we've reached the incremental improvements limit for a lot of the technology made back then.
+--- 15327396
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Itd be as if all Europe were annexed then turned into North Korea.
+--- 15327411
+>>15327377
+>Wehraboo calls other people people mentally ill
+Hi pot, it’s me, kettle
+Also, if you’re upset seeing anime on 4chan, Reddit is just a few clicks away where you don’t have to see any
+--- 15327414
+>>15326839
+>everything hitler wanted germany to be good at
+Hitler's Germany was resettling European jews to Palestine before France & Britain declared war on Germany. When the war was over the allies decided they'd resettle European jews in Palestine. Why was the war fought?
+If Rommel had taken Egypt, his next move would've been into Palestine, in order to allow the continued resettling of the zionist European jews in their preferred homeland
+--- 15327416
+>>15327414
+For those that don't believe him, see>>15324015, the "Haavara Agreement".
+--- 15327420
+>>15327385
+I think computers (engineering) hit the incremental improvement limit, and I can't buy a crazy IBM workstation, monitor, keyboard, or real Thinkpad anymore which makes me sad. The Fujitsu Arrows Z was peak Thinkpad development but Lenovo holds the intellectual property for the laptops so they turned them into Mac clones instead of keeping the proper keyboard.
+--- 15327525
+>>15327420
+putting your own gear together isn't as difficult as you think, you should give it a try sometime
+--- 15327553
+>>15327525
+The MTBF of stuff I build myself is way lower than the super-heavily integrated OEM stuff.
+--- 15327604
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Jews WILL replace YOU
+--- 15328426
+>>15327604
+racism is banned on 4chan outside of >>>/b/ 
+thats where you belong
+--- 15328443
+>>15323766 (OP)
+nuclear battle ship size rockets - we would have colonized the solar system by now
+
+genetics wa ahead as this what ze germans believed in actually doing
+AIDS zero
+Covid zero
+--- 15329754
+>>15327604
+>>15328426
+Jannie will issue bans all day and all night for saying the n-word or for criticizing jews, but you can say anything you want about whites, call for their genocide, thats all perfectly fine.
+--- 15330016
+>>15323766 (OP)
+It wouldn't, a humanity full of psychopaths can't develop anything.
+--- 15330040
+>>15323766 (OP)
+WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BE LIVING ON MARS AND EXPLORING THE REST OF THE GALAXY BY NOW
+--- 15330089
+>>15327416
+>>15327414
+>Haavara Agreement
+Then that fell through along with Madagascar before the caust.
+--- 15330102
+>>15330089
+They were still sending Jews to Palestine until the end of the war. IDK what you're talking about.
+--- 15330493
+>>15323766 (OP)
+medical science wouldn't be wasting resources on harmful gender transition surgery & drugs
+--- 15330507
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Read Philip K. Dick
+--- 15330512
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Overall, probably much behind today's advances. They were authoritarian mush brains. They believed on things like """jewish""" science and other nonsense. The minute that your science becomes a circus of what happens to entertain the emperor then it's not science. It's cooking the books and that's the one thing that ensures scientific stagnation: ignoring empirical facts to please whine babies in uniform.
+
+
+>>15323868
+>Much higher margin of safety
+This is literal terminal brain cancer. If the one thing Nazis were good for was putting anyone under the meat grinder to get their goals met. 
+
+>>15323896
+That some deadbeat /pol/cel doesn't get to beat his mest to a failed, fatalist, fuckall dictator
+
+>>15323943
+What are you on? The cold war was the renesaaince in weapons development and military posturing, not to mention nuclear free for all. You are, howver, correct in noting that many fields of science would have regressed under ad hominem censuring. The only true areas where we'd be more advanced for sure would be indeed genetic engineering, cloning and stem cell research
+--- 15330522
+>>15325407
+Tell him what? That you are an off the meds schizo?
+
+>>15324128
+Glad to see not all /sci/ posters are brainless alt rats and actually can think for themselves.
+
+>>15324141
+>Endless shopping malls and 1M sport cars are thrown to the trash in a week because some 1/10034th blood prince had a drop of alcohol and wanted to show off
+I'll give it to you though: your life would have been more productive in a nazi labor camp than here giving """'opnions"""''
+
+>>15324764
+Yep. They were idiots running on royalty titles and """aryan""" myths. Too bad nature doesn't work that way.
+
+>>15324809
+Indeed. Second rule of dictatorship is that you open the treasure to the undelrings or they take you out and put someone who does. Of course this means that the population is only as good as far as they can fill the purse, which in practice means being used as poorly educated, cheap labor.
+--- 15330523
+Nazis were the violent fools on a chimpout mission of the German populace.
+--- 15330556
+>>15323943
+>There's no timeline where the Axis wins the war
+Wrong.
+It was entirely feasible. Sending the Panzers against Dunkirk and capturing the only Army Britain had. Quite probable Britain would have sued for peace after such a catastrophic defeat, especially if Germany had guaranteed the future integrity of the Empire as part of the peace plan. Okay, so then its highly likely Russia invades German occupied Poland and Romania in 41 or 42. Germany has short interior lines, fights a defensive war initially and then inflicts a major defeat on Russia, advances as far as Minsk, causing the deposition of Stalin. Russia sues for pace and Germany takes East Poland and Baltic states. All of that is quite possible. No war with USA. Japan is offered Dutch East Indies, rich in raw materials trade + oil, as compensation for not attacking USA and Britain. All of that is quite possible. No war with USA. Russia neutralized for decades, Britain and France compliant. 
+Then follows a Pax Germania with undisputed hegemony over Europe. 
+Not likely, yes, but not impossible.
+--- 15330801
+>>15330556
+>Germany has short interior lines, fights a defensive war initially and then inflicts a major defeat on Russia
+The USSR was geared for attack. Germany would simply not be able to repel back a country that has 10x more tanks, airplanes, 250x more paratroopers etc.
+>Half a year later, on the date of the outbreak of the war, on June 22, 1941, the Red Army possessed no less than 24,000 tanks, including 1,861 type T-34 tanks (a medium tank, perhaps the most effective armored weapon of the entire war) and KV (Klim Voroshilov) tanks (a series of heavy tanks), which had no equal anywhere in the world; 358 units of these were manufactured in 1940, while 1,503 units were manufactured in the first six months of 1941. Since 1938, the Air Forces of the Red Army had received a total of 23,245 military aircraft, including 3,719 aircraft of the latest design. The Red Army also had 148,000 artillery pieces and mor tars of all types and systems. The inventory of the Red Navy, in addition to a multiplicity of ships of other types, had 291 or, according to Soviet sources, at least 213 submarines19 an expressly aggressive weapon. This meant that the Soviet Armed Forces had a larger fleet of submarines than any other country in the world, outnumbering those of the world’s leading maritime nation, Great Britain, more than four-fold in terms of the number of submarines.
+Germany did as well as it did in Barbarossa because, other than having man for man the best soldiers and minds in the world, the Soviet Union was not prepared for a defensive war. It was a gamble to try to save Europe before the Red Army would march through all of Europe.
+Germany can only win while taking the initiative, and concentrating all her forces on the East.
+--- 15330850
+>>15330556
+>Quite probable Britain would have sued for peace after such a catastrophic defeat
+Why? They got bumfucked quite badly at Dunkirk already and were not interested in peace talks whatsoever. Britain was not going to give in to German and Japanese demands (like just giving up their interests in Dutch East Indies) just because some plebs died - they had a lot more.
+
+>inflicts a major defeat on Russia
+Success of Barbarossa hinged entirely on active offensive - Wehrmacht would not stand any chance against the Red Army in static defense, commies would reach Berlin in under two years - you know, the way they literally did even after successful Barbarossa destroyed most of the Red Army. 
+
+>advances as far as Minsk, causing the deposition of Stalin
+Yeah, because Stalin totally got deposed when Germans got as far as Moscow, didn't he? Historically, Soviets did not even entertain the thought of peace talks when they took some 5-6 million in military casualties, 2/3rds of their European territory were under occupation, and 2 of their largest cities were under siege - but halting their offensive for a while would totally get Stalin deposed and have them suing for peace.
+
+>Japan is offered Dutch East Indies, rich in raw materials trade + oil, as compensation for not attacking USA and Britain
+Dutch East Indies don't mean shit without Indochina to control logistics. Indochina is under Allies ATM. 
+
+I mean literally, the whole scheme is:
+>Britain just pisses off 
+>US just pisses off 
+>Soviets just piss off
+>France just calms down
+>Germany establishes Pax Germania because everyone finally leaves it alone and stops getting in the way
+--- 15333059
+>>15323967
+Strangely, the US American space race faltered until they propped it up with W v Braun.
+--- 15333073
+>>15323772
+>scientific discovery is only about difficulty/complexity and not new rule-breaking relationships between ideas
+Yeah, found the midwit.
+--- 15333075
+>>15323766 (OP)
+How exactly does this alternate history work and where does it split?
+I'm asking because there's basically no way they could've actually had realised their whole plan so it would have to be a negotiated peace between Germany and the Soviet Union plus Germany doesn't declare war on America.
+In that situation it's entirely possible that a lot things can happen like reopening the front again a few years later, Nazi regime struggling within the borders of the Third Reich and being sen as week by Stallin and with the gears of war economy never really stopping and all the factories doubled since some safe behind the Ural mountains and some are rebuilt in the European part just carving out the Warshaw pact countries with the British help.
+That's just one possibility
+Too many factors, please specify this AHS.
+--- 15333076
+>>15323906
+No, but probably on the moon.
+--- 15333088
+>>15323991
+>Bro all the quality men died leaving behind the cowardly, weak, feeble, and retarded
+You have not the first idea how evolution works.
+First of all, that is debatable since WW2 was a war of conscription.
+Secondly, changes happen over several thousand, at least hundreds, generations. Not one with a one-off event, unless it was a severe bottleneck (as in, just a few hundred breeding FEMALES). 
+Thirdly, random variance of traits between generations is laughably bigger in impact than genetic adjustation between two close generations.
+--- 15333147
+>>15323766 (OP)
+>If
+Never could happen, they were meant to lose from the very beginning. The wars were completely fake and gay.
+--- 15333160
+Angels destroyed Sodom & Gommorah 
+Nazis destroyed Weimar Republic degeneracy
+--- 15333321
+>>15324219
+I saw it in a dream
+--- 15333884
+>>15325404 >>15325412
+Care to back that up?
+--- 15334091
+>>15326765
+Replication crisis started around the 80s or 90s, and would also have started in this hypothetical Germany. See Pournelle's law of bureaucracy - it was always bound for disaster. Worse, there is no plausible way out. And that will cement our stagnation.
+--- 15334149
+>>15330016
+>It wouldn't, a humanity full of psychopaths can't develop anything.
+Much of academia and industry is full of psychopaths. Yet there is some development.
+--- 15334167
+>>15330850
+>Why? They got bumfucked quite badly at Dunkirk already and were not interested in peace talks whatsoever. Britain was not going to give in to German and Japanese demands (like just giving up their interests in Dutch East Indies) just because some plebs died - they had a lot more.
+NTA but the Channel Islands were occupied, and the locals were eager to join the nazis. Britain was not all glory and heroics. Potential traitors were in all countries and were ready to seize the opportunity for personal power grabbing, tying their flags to the nazi mast.
+--- 15334228
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Our understanding of areas like physics would be severely stunted because the Nazis considered things like relativity to be "Jewish physics" and therefore wrong.
+--- 15334523
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Racism propelled hover craft.
+--- 15335347
+So many Jewish posters itt
+--- 15335433
+>>15334523
+it wouldn't go anywhere
+--- 15336000
+>>15323766 (OP)
+it would be much much better
+--- 15336240
+>>15323766 (OP)
+What Nazi's, there is only one man and he was not a Nazi, his name was Nikola Tesla.
+--- 15336832
+"Humanity would sink into eternal darkness, it would fall into a dull and primitive state, were the Jews to win this war" ~Joseph Goebbels
+--- 15336852
+>>15333073
+>Finding relationships between existing ideas is easy.
+--- 15338584
+>>15324112
+They also orbit capable rockets 2 decades before anyone else. ESA is still launching slighlly upgraded Aggregat 8s. Science hasn't been able to improve on Von Braun's work in more than half a century of effort.
+--- 15339290
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Progressing in every way.
+
+Every society is socialist, populist, and nationalist to some extent.
+--- 15339300
+Do you ever think about how many of the supposed supporters of trans fail to support transhumanism divine biopunk genetic-modification innovation and making it and cosmetic surgery free?
+
+We should all be immortal almighty gods.
+
+The only god is love.
+
+Can people please get a reality check and choose progress instead of ridiculous pointless wars?
+
+I feel like Palestinians and Ukrainians have endured abstract genocide.
+Reminder that Palestinians never voted to leave Britain.
+If I was Ukrainian I wouldn’t want to fight. I’d want diplomacy and my life instead of land for some foreign hegemonic conflict.
+
+SLAVA SLAV
+--- 15339304
+Do you ever wonder what humanity SHOULD be doing instead on conforming to Israels evil?
+
+Do we HAVE TO obliterate Israel in order for all real progress to accelerate?
+--- 15339307
+>>15339300
+
+ biopunk genetic-modification innovation and making it *free*
+
+We’ve been post-scarcity the whole time
+
+All should be free 
+All should be progressing 
+
+Peaceful Nazism is the spirit of every utopia.
+Good Nazi globalism is what everyone wants.
+--- 15339681
+>>15339307
+>Peaceful Nazism is the spirit of every utopia.
+A lot of people consider "utopia" to mean nonstop masturbation with free rent & free tendies. Nobody in science wants to work for a living, you can see how they constantly shit on "burger flippers" as if doing something useful and productive with your time is less respectable than cranking out replication crisis publications.
+--- 15339809
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Ask >>>/pol/, not /sci/.
+--- 15339954
+>>15339809
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVlp4C4TxRc [Embed]
+--- 15339969
+>>15323766 (OP)
+--- 15340281
+>>15323766 (OP)
+In Germany it would be far far better. Hitler was only concerned about his nation, he didn't want to rule the outside world.
+--- 15340454
+>>15329754
+Thats common on all the popular social media platforms, 4chan is no different, unfortunately. 
+Really convincing evidence that the white genocide "conspiracy theory" is very true
+--- 15340496
+>>15339809
+Kys worthless deranged tranny you will never be a scientist
+--- 15340669
+>>15323766 (OP)
+We would have a colony on Mars at the very least.
+--- 15342574
+>>15339969
+irl berlin
+--- 15343269
+>>15323840
+Medicine wouldn't have advanced *at all* because it would be jewish to sustain unhealthy lives.
+
+Assuming peace with america and takeover of russia the following would have happened:
+Way faster agricultural scientific development and biological progress in genetics (plants and also humans).
+
+Society surprisingly is not static, so nazism would at some point have broken down, whether that be like in the soviet states or more faster in some sort of revolution... This would have changed science as well.
+
+Nothing would have happened regarding "german engineering": Hitler was not a german engineer, he was a german (austrian) schizo.
+
+>>15323943
+good post
+--- 15343319
+>>15342574
+looks like austin, texas
+--- 15343512
+>>15343319
+it was a little different 
+https://www.youtube.com
+/watch?v=s1YAC2YMKWY
+--- 15345190
+>>15323974
+Kek, this has to be bait
+--- 15345597
+>>15343512
+https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=s1YAC2YMKWY
+--- 15345715
+>>15324036
+Germany couldn't afford all the social programmes they were using to keep unemployment down. They had to initiate their war plans early because of their impeding financial collapse.
+
+Hitler wanted war in the mid-40s, not 1939.
+--- 15345718
+>>15334167
+>and the locals were eager to join the nazis
+...? Men aged 18-35 were put into forced labour. They hold celebrations on the channel islands every year to celebrate liberation from nazi occupation as it was grim
+--- 15345834
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Everything would be over-engineered, complex, unreliable and in limited numbers.
+--- 15346823
+>>15323991
+>Bro all the quality men died
+My grandfather fought in WW2 and survived.
+--- 15346835
+>>15345715
+>Germany couldn't afford all the social programmes they were using to keep unemployment down. They had to initiate their war plans early because of their impeding financial collapse.
+Geeee sounds similar to USA, China, UK, France, Germany, etc. in the current times.
+--- 15347158
+>>15346835
+Germany had a way lower debt (obv aboslute, and relative terms e.g. debt to gdp ratio) than any of those countries have today.
+--- 15347186
+>>15347158
+they had no financial issues whatsoever, they had vast gold reserves to go along with their roaring economy, thats why they were attacked by the jewish gangster nations. all that gold disappeared. hollywood made movies about how fantastic robbing germany of it's sovereign wealth was
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csv1wXOr5tY [Embed]
+--- 15347518
+>>15324015
+history of USSR communication with the outside world from 1917 - 1991, according to western sources: 100% lies & propaganda for the entire time, except when >muh holocust is concerned.
+--- 15347519
+>>15345834
+We have these problems now.
+--- 15347528
+>>15323967
+>Cheap talk, the first rocket to reach space was made by Goddard, an American in 1920
+Not true. It was the V2.
+--- 15347566
+>>15323766 (OP)
+>Mars base in self-sustaining operation.
+>Biological immortality or very long lifespans for humans.
+>High tech smart cities in Europe, Japan and Anglosphere powered by stellarator fusion reactors connected by maglevs (invented there in our timeline; nsdap would've simply funded it).
+>Superconductors in fusion plant powering maglevs and the Zuse 10 quantum supercomputers.
+>LHC built 40 years sooner (from EU cooperation and integration 40 years sooner)
+>Construction for solar scale LHC follow up already under way.
+>Precursor to Bernal sphere being built.
+>Comeback for Zeppelin shipping (which is cheaper and emission free; its ban was political).
+>The Gotthard base tunnel is twice as long simply because it can be.
+>Trans-Atlantic rail construction under way.
+>Scientific language is German/Latin outside of Britain.
+--- 15347605
+>>15347566
+>Zeppelin shipping
+I doubt it's feasible. More expensive than standard shipping, slower than cargo jet planes. Where is the place for it?
+--- 15347636
+>>15347605
+>Where is the place for it?
+Trans-continental shipping (USA, Eurasia) where freight would be too expensive to scale as well as national shipping in nations lacking rivers. Zeppelins also don't need much infrastructure, you can literally dock it on skyscrapers if needed.
+
+Combined with drone distribution fleets Amazon will likely use these anyway within the next 10 years.
+
+>More expensive than standard shipping, 
+Maybe, I'm not so certain. It's doesn't need heavy marine diesel. It's therefore much more scalable. But it's impossible to draw conclusions without at least designing a full process chain which has never been done.
+>slower than cargo jet planes
+You will never replace jet planes for speed (barring maglev freight which is too inflexible), but obviously we still use marine fleets for the overwhelming bulk of goods transports.
+
+For reference Zeppelin cruising speed was 126 km/h vs. 30–46 km/h for modern container ships.
+--- 15347659
+>>15347636
+It just doesn't make any sense. You can easily make trains that fast if it was worth it. I don't think that airships were banned, jetplanes made them obsolete, so nobody uses them.
+--- 15347685
+>>15347659
+>You can easily make trains that fast if it was worth it. 
+Railroad is inflexible, airships are not. Freight always makes sense only in densely connected industries. There's a reason trans-American rail is so sparse compared to Europe.
+>I don't think that airships were banned
+Even before the Hindenburg sabotage the US intentionally banned the sale of Helium with the intention of supporting their own industry. The designs of rigid airships never caught up before it could be crushed by opposing lobbeys.
+--- 15347704
+>>15347685
+Helium is too heavy. Hindenburg wouldn't fly with it.
+--- 15347711
+>>15347704
+Room temperature IQ post.
+--- 15347783
+>>15347711
+From here, I didn't try to check the math.
+https://www.airships.net/helium-hydrogen-airships/
+--- 15347904
+>>15323796
+>go to the moon
+don't tell me you still believe this load of shite... you're just ngmi lads
+--- 15348118
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Too “win” the war would have still meant unimaginable destruction.
+Also what would be the conditions for winning?
+Soviets falling?
+Britain falling?
+Americans not getting involved? (And thus no financial aid at the war’s end, making war damages sting even harder for Europe.)
+
+To many what if’s and predictions that Germany would emerge strong from the war and not a wounded beast.
+A “victory” could have actually ended in a collapse of Europe, already sort of did happen in our timeline.
+--- 15348136
+>>15347904
+von Braun was literally a Nazi. Evefybody admits it was no longer possible without him. They broke the next Saturn V payload without him.
+--- 15348332
+>>15348136
+i'm saying no man stepped on the moon's surface or orbited it
+--- 15350886
+>>15347186
+--- 15351183
+>>15323838
+oh, shut the fuck up retard
+your culture revolves around niggers
+--- 15351448
+>>15324225
+hey kiddo
+national socialism is not nigger-democracy socialism, i know you tried to be smartass but youre retarded and braindead useful idiot for zogbot, many such cases
+--- 15352426
+His prophecy is all coming true
+--- 15352450
+>>15352426
+One can only hope.
+--- 15354003
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Nowhere. Because planned economy always spectacularly fail.
+--- 15354577
+We need another Hitler if science is ever going to advance again. ZOG only uses "science" to create false narratives in order to justify their thievery, they don't want progress, new tech frightens them, they prefer the current order of things with themselves in charge and hogging up all the resources
+--- 15355530
+>>15339809
+this is a scientific question
+--- 15355534
+>>15348332
+based schizo
+--- 15355538
+>>15354577
+This guy gets it. Science can only develop in totalitarian regimes
+--- 15355547
+>>15355530
+no it isn't
+--- 15355558
+>>15323838
+big words for someone that had to use NAZI V2 rocket to take first pictures of space
+--- 15355631
+>>15323974
+Holy cringe. It would be mostly Jews and gays who would be eradicated, who cares? The Slavs wouldn't actually be eradicated. This may have been the ideal scenario, just like everyone converting to German paganism, but not the actually realistic one. They would likely either be expelled or serve as second-class citizens until they got regular rights back in like the 1970s after Hitler is dead. Frankly I am not even sure if the nazis would treat the Ukrainians second-class citizens.
+--- 15355651
+>>15323766 (OP)
+Better, and everyone knows it.
+--- 15355858
+>>15355558
+Ariane 5 is just a stretched V2, Aggregat 8 under Von Braun's designation.
+--- 15355887
+>>15355631
+If the Germans won there would have been a Ukrainian revolt under Bandera, because he was a Ukrainian supremacist who thought the Germans were untermenschen.
+--- 15355909
+This thread is just people shitposting for the sake of it right? You guys are aware the axis lost people like Fermi because of the retarded racial policies and lost technologically to the allies IN EVERY FIELD except synthetic oil production, and only because the allies didn't need to synthetically produce oil as they had truck loads of them.
+German tanks were impressive, but flawed and not superior to the allied one.
+The allies basically bombed germany uncontested after the first years, their airforce not only numerous but better equipped. No physics advancements were made thanks to the reich, not mathematical ones either, just some coincidentally during its lifespan, but they were not financed by Hitler ot anything of the sort.
+I have to hope I'm falling to bait here because this thread is honestly embarrassing.
+--- 15355916
+>>15355909
+you are jewish
+--- 15356181
+>>15339681
+Nazism STANDS for all being free.
+People are best at doing what they themselves enjoy. Even if it’s being lazy and not working.
+99% of jobs ARE USELESS. I think most jobs are merely forms of SUPPRESSION. There’s infinite abstract kinds of progresses and a successful society is a happy society. The truest Utopia is the loveliest society. Utopia requires that its people consistently think utopian thoughts, as a society is entirely its peoples thoughts.
+
+Reminder that Canada is a successful Nazi-commie country.
+They’re about to make housing free and food etc free via UBI. They already have all drugs legal and free healthcare and neutrality like Switzerland and japan.
+
+Merging biopunk and cyberpunk = divinity.
+Cosmetic surgery and genetic modification being free makes anime real.
+
+Everyone should be immortal almighty gods in a world where all is free and each loving the infinite multiverses of their love.
+The only god is love, as the only motive is love.
+
+True progress = lovelier love and absolute divinity.
+
+
+Do you know what lazy Canadians do? They fuck and breed endlessly. The rate of pure white babies being born is increasing utmost dramatically. It is impossible to stop Canadians from fucking and breeding 24/7, they’re utmost extreme fuckers and breeders.
+
+Personally I’m a liberal-conservative progressive-populist radical-centrist moderate-anarchist peaceful-libertarian-Nazi-Commie utopian-accelerationist. Etc.
+All Canadians are.
+--- 15356192
+Real progress is peaceful Nazism.
+
+Imagine if Nazi germany and communist Russia still existed and were peaceful.
+--- 15356200
+Do you ever think about how much better that 4chan once was?
+--- 15356215
+>>15356181
+>Nazism STANDS for all being free.
+kek you people have gaslit yourselves to oblivion.
+--- 15356218
+Utopia requires its people have constant utopian thoughts/spirits.
+
+A good society only exists if its people have good thoughts. A society is its peoples thoughts.
+
+You can only have fun if you think fun thoughts.
+You can only have romance if you have romantic thoughts.
+A people can only have progress via truly progressive thoughts.
+
+I love Nazism. Nazism is love.
+Nazism is collective love/generacy.
+Every true society is a kind of Nazi-communism etc.
+
+It’s progressive to create and spread progressive thoughts. I love true societies that are able to have true community and true expression.
+--- 15356220
+>>15356200
+/b/ was never good
+--- 15356223
+>>15356192
+>peaceful Nazism.
+No such thing as peaceful socialism. 
+All socialists are little pouty bitches always stirring up shit.
+--- 15356225
+What could have been.
+--- 15356231
+>>15356215
+Nazism = freedom.
+
+You can’t deny that anything good in Israel is via some degree of socialism and nationalism 
+
+It’s kinda sad that you’d honestly try to deny the existence of the core function of society as if all society is your enemy.
+
+I’m sure there’s some Edomite in you that gets what I’m saying, just as any Jew does now.
+--- 15356237
+>>15356223
+Every society is some kind of libertarian-socialism.
+
+How about your ilk stay in your own country without trying to influence mine and see how long y’all last on your own.
+--- 15356243
+>>15356225
+It’s perfect.
+
+All victory to the spirits of the alternative timelines where the Nazis and the commies allied and exchanged wisdom instead of fighting and achieved absolute divinity for all long ago
+--- 15356255
+Imagine Israel being a peaceful neutral Switzerland like peaceful diplomatic Nazi-commie state without Judaism. Imagine the rebirth of all the lost Jewish tribes and lost Jewish religions.
+
+It’s really wrong that Jews are taught Judaism. Judaism taught that genocide was ok. No one else does that. The only god is love, the only motive is love, everyones truest desires are mutual, heaven for all is a soul that must grow and eternally prosper in every way.
+--- 15356791
+>>15345718
+state funded political celebrations aren't meaningful. they'll still be holding the same celebrations after everyone there is pakistani.
+https://files.catbox.moe/vr2uwn.mp4
+--- 15358569
+>>15347685
+>There's a reason trans-American rail is so sparse compared to Europe.
+The worlds largest and busiest rail yard is in Nebraska. Its all cargo, people travel in airplanes, cargo is less impatient.
+--- 15359378
+>>15323766 (OP)
+>He doesn't know about operation paperclip
+--- 15359655
+>>15323766 (OP)
+We live in a society that's based around capital and this obviously slows down progress eg GPU improvement unironically driven by video game demand. No doubt that in Nazi Germany enough resources would have been allocated to accommodate as many scientists as possible who, while not getting paid much, would get great reward in the form of prestige/serving higher good, similarly to how being chief engineer of the navy inspired respect in 19th century France. They also wouldn't be bound by all the bs they face today (much of it related to money). Today there is no drive because there is no symbol in which people believe, no flag, no nation, no race. A bit of prestige in very high positions and then scheming for grants. A world of supply, demand and capital. Also, Germans are rigorous so every child/person would be tested for intelligence and those capable would be put into adequate fields (but everyone would be pushed). It'd be that simple. We also wouldn't be facing crises like the ones we face today, eg for 30 years now young people worldwide, intelligent and not so smart alike, fry their brains with video games, porn, movies, cheap music, etc, instead of being led the right path in order to fulfill their potential so that we can improve generation after generation. This in fact is only going to get worse too, and only a few wise rich people will put their children into private institutions with no electronics in sight and classical music playing in the corridors, while the majority of children will be learning about blowjobs and 2+2=5 from some fat r*ddit whore in between tiktok sessions. Where are the good teachers you ask? Cf above, there is no reason for learned men to be schoolmasters/teachers. 150 years ago there was prestige in such a position (often held by well-accomplished academics in fact) as you would form children that would go on to be scientists themselves, advancing the interests of the nation. Today materialism is the name of the game.
+--- 15359658
+>>15359655
+Just to add: the only area in which there could have been issues is genetics. Imagine they discover DNA and find out some high-ranking Nazis have some Jewish blood or aren't Aryans. Would this have been buried? Hard to tell.
+>>15323772
+>About the same since no one is making any new scientific discoveries. Low hanging fruit was picked already.
+This is true to an extent but keep in mind much improvement is made at the mid-level and A LOT of intellectual potential is being wasted, people that could have been engineers, etc. This adds up.
+--- 15359690
+>>15359655
+https://odysee.com/@TheImpartialTruth:8/Adolf-Hitler---%E2%80%9CThey-Said-I-Was-A-Dreamer%E2%80%9C:e
+--- 15359755
+>>15323766 (OP)
+worse. britain was far more advanced than germany was technologically. wehrboos don't realize this because m-m-muh super weapons, but those were copes because germany was already losing the war by '41, despite spending 20 years preparing for it. britain was ahead in jet engines, television, electronics, radar and computing. actually basically everything. as germany ran out of men they tried to use gadgets to compensate, investing huge amounts into desperate hope and it didn't work. the british were using proximity fuses for radar guided anti-aircraft weapons as part of nation-wide radar defense network while the germans were still using spotlights and missing. and british then used this to bribe america into the war. 
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizard_Mission
+
+people go on about rocketry, but everyone had rockets. the soviets were testing rocket planes in '38. a russian school teacher actually invented the equations modern rocketry relies on. the allies had a much, much wider use of rocketry because they knew what was important; winning the war. so allied rocketry was used enmasse as artillery and ground attack from aircraft. the germans concentrated on super-weapons that didn't work. that was useful for the americans because post-war they could save resources by stealing krauts; it simply saved the us time and money, they didn't really need it. the soviets didn't bother much with german scientists as they already had their own technical base and stalin didn't trust them. 
+
+lost young men are attracted to uniforms and power. it deludes their thinking and the history channel never helps much. most of what you think you know is horseshit. germans have always been technical also-rans. post-war they were rehabilitated because nato needed germans to soak up soviet bullets and save western lives and no one liked germans. m-m-muh hecking technology was part of the reformation narrative that got laid on thick. it worked pretty well.
+--- 15359773
+>>15359755
+Had the Anglo-Saxon world remained as it was in the 1950s (ideologically speaking) then yes it would all have been similar if not better.
+--- 15360237
+>>15359658
+>Just to add: the only area in which there could have been issues is genetics. Imagine they discover DNA and find out some high-ranking Nazis have some Jewish blood or aren't Aryans. Would this have been buried? Hard to tell.
+People dramatically overstate the racial hangups they had. There were a lot of openly Jewish people serving in upper-level military posts, especially in the Kriegsmarine, but if they were devoted to the political regime and Germany as a nation then they were honorary Germans according to the NSDAP racial scheme. It's the same reason they had blacks and Arabs in the SS foreign legion.
+--- 15360346
+>>15359658
+>Aryan
+I think this is the key. Aryan-Studies would be much promulgated in the new-order Europe. Marija Gimbutas would become a queen in academia - especially as linguistics and archaeology bear out her Kurgan theories.
+DNA is discovered earlier than Watson, although Watson still offers a lot of research.
+Ol' Schiklgruber probably dies around 1955 anyway because he ain't in the best of health (like Stalin in our timeline).
+... and then maybe 1985 someone does a bloodtest on Schiklgruber's family. He's not R1a.
+You know who are R1a? The fucking Poles.
+
+... yeah, the Aryan theory is going to spark an internal civil war ~1980s.
+--- 15360368
+>>15355909
+Jew-to-Jew, haver; you're missing the German advances in metallurgy and rocketry.
+The brain-drain is real but a lot of brain stuck around; also German academia wasn't carrying the dead weight of Marcuse and all those Weimar paedos.
+--- 15360455
+>>15360368
+>The brain-drain is real but a lot of brain stuck around; also German academia wasn't carrying the dead weight of Marcuse and all those Weimar paedos.
+What's tragic is the brain drain that happened after the war. The Allies banned men like Kurt Tank and the Horten brothers from building airplanes ever again, only to later rediscover their ideas to solve huge problems in the 80s and 90s (see: B2 Spirit).
+--- 15360457
+>>15359755
+>germany was already losing the war by '41, 
+britain was still flying fighter aircraft with carbureted engines in '41, fuel flow cut out at negative gs, limiting maneuverability in combat 
+>britain was ahead in jet engines
+the first flying jet aircraft was germany's he178
+the first flying jet combat aircraft was also german. the need for swept wings in high speed jets wasn't understood by the allies until after they'd captured german arcraft designers to explain it to them. 
+1941 was when britain first recognized that the 7.7mm guns they were arming their planes with were too weak to be effective in combat. 
+but the allies had the manpower advantage, so they made up for their excess combat losses just by throwing more bodies onto the fire. 
+
+>>15355909
+>The allies basically bombed germany uncontested after the first years
+the allied bombers attacking germany and central europe were sustaining losses of 10% per daylight mission until late in 1944, the british gave up on daylight attacks completely and the americans were only able to keep up their campaign because they were willing to sacrifice vast amounts of lives and aircraft. in the 8th air force a tour of duty was 25 missions, with 10% loss per whats the odds of surviving a full tour?
+very small. fdr and his many jewish advisers just didn't care about killing their own soldiers, who were all white and christian.

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+--- 15332629
+Easter Weekend Edition
+
+Formerly >>15310646 →
+
+>what is /sqt/ for?
+Questions regarding maths and science. Also homework.
+>where do I go for advice?
+>>>/sci/scg or >>>/adv/
+>where do I go for other questions and requests?
+>>>/wsr/ >>>/g/sqt >>>/diy/sqt etc.
+>how do I post math symbols (Latex)?
+rentry.org/sci-latex-v1
+>a plain google search didn't return anything, is there anything else I should try before asking the question here?
+scholar.google.com
+>where can I search for proofs?
+proofwiki.org
+>where can I look up if the question has already been asked here?
+>>http://warosu.org/sci
+eientei.xyz/sci
+>how do I optimize an image losslessly?
+trimage.org
+pnggauntlet.com
+>how do I find the source of an image?
+images.google.com
+tineye.com
+saucenao.com
+iqdb.org
+
+>where can I get:
+>books?
+libgen.rs
+annas-archive.org
+stitz-zeager.com
+openstax.org
+activecalculus.org
+>articles?
+sci-hub.st
+>book recs?
+sites.google.com/site/scienceandmathguide
+4chan-science.fandom.com/wiki//sci/_Wiki
+math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Administrivia/booklist.html
+>online courses and lectures?
+khanacademy.org
+>charts?
+imgur.com/a/pHfMGwE
+imgur.com/a/ZZDVNk1
+>tables, properties and material selection?
+www.engineeringtoolbox.com
+www.matweb.com
+www.chemspider.com
+
+Tips for asking questions here:
+>attach an image (animal images are ideal, you can grab them from >>>/an/. Alternatively use anime from safebooru.donmai.us)
+>avoid replying to yourself
+>ask anonymously
+>recheck the Latex before posting
+>ignore shitpost replies
+>avoid getting into arguments
+>do not tell us where is it you came from
+>do not mention how [other place] didn't answer your question so you're reposting it here
+>if you need to ask for clarification fifteen times in a row, try to make the sequence easy to read through
+>I'm not reading your handwriting
+>I'm not flipping that sideways picture
+>I'm not google translating your spanish
+>don't ask to ask
+>don't ask for a hint if you want a solution
+>xyproblem.info
+--- 15332648
+UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
+
+MATH:
+>>15311070 →
+>>15312868 →
+>>15315177 →
+>>15322664 →
+>>15324196 →
+>>15324978 →
+>>15325012 →
+
+PHYSICS:
+>>15325449 →
+
+CHEM:
+>>15312194 →
+
+STUPID QUESTIONS:
+>>15310684 →
+>>15314061 →
+>>15316188 →
+>>15316234 →
+>>15318711 →
+>>15318763 →
+>>15319791 →
+>>15320642 →
+>>15320752 →
+>>15325541 →
+>>15325907 →
+--- 15332727
+Hey. what are the best resources for studying\preparing for calculus? Fast!
+--- 15332774
+>>15332629 (OP)
+Why did the other one get removed?
+--- 15332783
+>>15332629 (OP)
+Does x mean unknown and y mean known or is there more to it I'm started trying to learn today
+--- 15332793
+https://odysee.com/@hermeneiachannel:8/dr-barry-trower-wifi,-radiation,-bees,:a
+
+If there is so much conclusive evidence proving the harms of low intensity microwave fields used in such things as phones signals or wifi, even as far back as the 1970s then why weren't these safety concerns taken intyo proper account? 
+The data on immune suppression alone is conclusive evedence of harm.
+--- 15332799
+>>15332727
+khan academy
+>>15332793
+i know this isn't what you asked, but if you want people to take you seriously, you shouldn't link to cranks
+--- 15332839
+>>15332799
+Is Khan academy the absolute best? For me it was a bit confusing
+--- 15332848
+>>15332799
+>cranks
+Barrie was literally commissioned by the met police the guy has as good a set of credentials as anyone you could want to ask on the topic.
+The fact you call him a crank says more about you than anything else.
+--- 15332878
+>>15332774
+No one seems to know. It wasn't removed, it expired with only 50 posts.
+--- 15332887
+>>15332848
+The fact you think he's not a crank says more about you than anything else.
+--- 15333036
+>>15332887
+So getting back on topic why do we allow such dangerous technology with proven health effects without a better public understanding of the actual risks involved we are in quite a lot of danger?
+--- 15333103
+Is 1200 IU of vitamin D too much? or is it enough?
+--- 15333109
+Consider [eqn]x^4+1.[/eqn]What's an easy way to factor polynomials that do not have a real root? Meaning how do I decompose this polynomials of degree 4 into two polynomials of degree 2?
+--- 15333136
+>>15333109
+you know how [math](x^2 -1) = (x+1)(x-1)[/math]?
+likewise, [math](x^2 +1) = (x+i)(x-i)[/math]
+try solving it from there
+
+>>15333036
+kill yourself before your gangstalkers do
+--- 15333156
+>>15333109
+[eqn]
+x^4 + 1 \\
+= (x^2 + 1)^2 - 2 x^2 \\
+= (x^2 + 1)^2 - (\sqrt{2} x)^2 \\
+= (x^2 + \sqrt{2} x + 1)(x^2 - \sqrt{2} x + 1) \\
+[/eqn]
+--- 15333338
+>>15333103
+get a sun lamp, it'll be cheaper and do more
+--- 15333342
+>>15333136
+Why is every attempt at discussing the topic here shut down or dismissed?
+--- 15333381
+>>15333109
+Haven't you ever heard about Sophie Germain identity?
+--- 15333428
+>>15333136
+>>15333156
+>>15333381
+Okay, I got this. But what's the go-to algorithm for polynomial-decomposition into real factors in general? Is there even such an algorithm?
+--- 15333658
+>>15333428
+You take a complex root [math]r[/math] which exists because of the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra.
+If [math]r \in \mathbb{R}[/math] then you can factor out the real polynomial [math]x - r[/math]
+if [math]r \in \mathbb{C} \setminus \mathbb{R}[/math] then you can factor out the polynomial [math]x^2 + 2 \Re(r) x + |r|^2[/math] instead which is a real polynomial again.
+You can repeat this process until all factors are either linear or quadratic.
+--- 15333660
+>>15332629 (OP)
+>stupid
+What is the oldest preserved DNA sequence in [math]Homo sapiens[/math] genome?
+--- 15333663
+>>15333658
+It's
+[eqn]x^2 - 2 \Re(r) x + |r|^2 [/eqn]
+of course.
+--- 15333685
+This came up during my studies, and I don't exactly understand it.
+[math]
+\frac{b^p+1}{n^p+1} * \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} k^p = \frac{b}{n} \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} (\frac{kb}{n})^p
+[/math]
+Could someone explain how one gets this product? What principles am I forgetting?
+--- 15333895
+I have a hobby that involves using 10% KOH. Sometimes when I use it after I clean up I notice my hands get a little tingly and I suspect it's because I'm getting a little bit on them. Should I be more careful during cleanup and use/throw out gloves? Also, I have a jar of waste that I throw tissues and such in after using the KOH. Should this go to hazardous waste eventually?
+--- 15334020
+>>15333895
+>I notice my hands get a little tingly and
+rip anon, we hardly knew ye
+--- 15334122
+I want to show the disjointness of n sets where n is a natural number. I decided to do this with induction. Can I start with one set and say: It's one set so it must be disjoint from all other sets (of which there are none). Or do I have to start with (at least) two sets?
+--- 15334130
+>>15334122
+nvm I figured out I think
+--- 15334230
+Why most of the schematics that see on the internet about vapor/gas core reactor/rockets use UF4 instead of UF6?
+--- 15334470
+What do you need the uniform boundness for?
+Isn't
+[eqn]B = \bigcap_{k,l=1}^\infty \left( \bigcup_{n \geq k} f_n^{-1}\left( \left]1 - \frac{1}{l}, 1 + \frac{1}{l}\right[ \right) \right) [/eqn]
+always a [math]G_\delta[/math] set?
+The sets [math]f_n^{-1}\left( \left]1 - \frac{1}{l}, 1 + \frac{1}{l}\right[ \right)[/math] are open because each [math]f_n[/math] is continuous. So the union of them is open and the intersection goes over all pairs [math]k,l \in \mathbb{N}^2[/math] which is a countable set.
+--- 15335061
+What's the difference between EngD and PhD in engineering? I almost never see the former used but I've been told it's more correct when referring to a person who has a doctorate in engineering.
+--- 15335109
+Am I too stupid for math. I’ve been stuck in calculus for 3 years and have not made any progress, I just don’t understand any of it, it’s so complicated. Even when they’re explaining it I just can’t keep up with all the names and definitions. I probably just have a low iq. I dunno, what do I do?
+--- 15335466
+>>15335109
+If you're in the US, it's not you; It's the education system. The only thing I can tell you is watch professors Leonard's videos on calc 1 for the procedure and theory and practice a buttload of problems.
+--- 15335735
+>[math][A \in \text{End}(V) \land A = 0][/math] [math]\implies[/math] [math]V = V_0[/math]
+Why is this implication true, I don't get it. Couldn't V be any vector space of dimension greater than 0 and A = 0, since A doesn't have to be an isomorphism. (Assuming V_0 means the zero sub space in V.)
+--- 15335793
+Is the kernel of a linear transformation always the eigenspace to the eigenvalue 0?
+--- 15335804
+>>15334470
+>B=⋂k,l=1∞(⋃n≥kf−1n(]1−1l,1+1l[))
+Can you maybe elaborate on where you wanted to go with this to prove the statement
+--- 15335815
+>>15335793
+Are you including infinite dimensional spaces in your question
+--- 15335833
+>>15335815
+I didn't, but now I'm intrigued. Can you tell me separately for the finitely and infinitely dimensional case? (Or just the finite case, that would also be good.)
+--- 15335901
+Every diagonalizable endomorphism A has a partition of unity [eqn]A= \sum_{i = 1}^k \lambda_iP_i[/eqn]where [math]\{\lambda_i\}_{i \in I}[/math] are the (pairwise distinct) eigenvalues of A and [math]\{P_i\}_{i \in I}[/math] are again linear endomorphisms. My question: Can you always choose the [math]\{P_i\}_{i \in I}[/math] to be projections onto the (one-dimensional) bases of the respective eigenspaces?
+--- 15335903
+>>15335901
+Forgot to mention: The underlying vector space is finitely dimensional.
+--- 15335907
+>>15335833
+In the infinite dimensional case, one has to redefine the what the whole "eigenvalue" buisness even means, because the ability to prove things about a vectors space in infinite dimensions depends highly on what kind of topologies you can theoretically introduce on them.
+
+One has to talk about algebras of operators over that space instead. It is a topic, not tooo difficult, yet difficult enough, that writing it in this thread would be annoying.
+
+The name is abstract Harmonic Analysis and I redommend Gerald B: Foland's "a course in abstract harmonic analysis" the first few chapters (or until you tire of the topic).
+
+Folland is also a great opportunity to up your representation theory game, by studying Chapter 5 (Analysis on compact groups)
+
+Enjoy :)
+--- 15336025
+Given [math]F[/math], the field of constructible numbers, prove whether or not there is an injective group homomorphism from [math]\mathbb{Q} / \mathbb{Z}[/math] to [math]F^{\times}[/math].
+
+I know the answer is that its impossible, but not sure how/why.
+--- 15336042
+For each positive real number [math]r[/math], let [math]n(r)[/math] be the number of solutions [math](a,b)\in\mathbb{Z}^2[/math] for [math]a^2+b^2\leq r^2[/math]. Evaluate [math]\lim_{r \to \infty}\frac{n(r)}{r^2}[/math].
+
+It is 0, right? I mean, [math]n(r)[/math] must be less than [math]r^2[/math] since [math]r^2[/math] represents the entire disk and therefore the denominator grows more rapidly than the numerator
+--- 15336064
+How are you supposed to tell if a molecule is sp3, sp2, sp or not hybridized at all? I know very little about chemistry
+--- 15336068
+>>15336064
+Their orbitals |Ψ|^2 are different and their energy is different
+--- 15336072
+I'm interested in the toy system that results from defining small categories within the boundaries of set theory, i.e., showing that each part in the definition of some category is a set, proved from the Zermelo axioms. Obviously, this isn't the way it is supposed to be done, and that's why i acknowledge my interest on this restriction as some kind of toy system or toy example. Hence, a (necessarily small) category, defined inside the language provided by Zermelo theory, must be some ordered tuple but i don't know exactly which sets it should be equipped with besides the set of objects and the set of morphisms. Moreover, the well-known examples of monoid delooping, finite categories like those with 1 or 2 objects and discrete categories leave me clueless because they assume some abstract single point {*} or some abstract identity morphism [math]\text{Id}_{a}[/math] that is never made explicit and therefore i can't begin to think which set use, or from which superset proven from Zermelo axioms take some element as the corresponding categorical concept. What can be done?
+--- 15336073
+>>15336068
+But what if you don't know about those? My teacher is expecting me to be able to tell that NH3 is sp3 hybridized just knowing that N has atomic number 7.
+--- 15336081
+>>15336073
+I think what your teacher wants to hear, is that sp hybridization is A bond that makes a "rod", that sp2 makes it look like some soft "throwing star" (it is flat, I mean to say) and that sp3 makes a "pyramid" (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybridorbital#Beispiele).
+
+Are you interested in what "hybridization" technically is?
+--- 15336087
+how does 3(3x)^2(4y) equal 108x^2y? i can't understand where the 108 comes from please don't pick on me i have down syndrome
+--- 15336105
+>>15336087
+3*3^2*4 = 3*9*4 = 27 * 4 = 108
+--- 15336115
+>>15335907
+Interesting, but I have to tackle LA I and II first before moving on to sth more advanced. Can you tell me sth about the finitely dimensional case? On that note, do you have a take on this >>15335901?
+--- 15336120
+>>15336081
+Oh yeah, I think you're right because the molecules that I had to decide the hybridization for all had pictures attached with them too.
+
+I'm interested to hear what it technically is though because my reading material just says that you can define a new basis using a linear combination of different atomic wavefunctions and that it's called hybridization.
+--- 15336121
+>>15336105
+oh i forgot about the associative property and didn't understand how x could steal ys coefficient damn i'm retarded thank you
+--- 15336124
+>>15336042
+>It is 0, right?
+No.
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss_circle_problem?useskin=vector
+--- 15336195
+>>15336115
+>Interesting, but I have to tackle LA I and II first before moving on to sth more advanced
+Sure, enjoy!
+>Can you tell me sth about the finitely dimensional case?
+No difficulties here: just per Definition "kernel"="0-eigenspace": Av=0=0*v
+--- 15336199
+>>15336120
+Exactly, I wanted to make a point that it is nothing but the name for a certain approximation that is comparatively easy to work with and yields very good qualitative and quantitative results
+--- 15336209
+>>15336199
+Alright, nice. Then I understand it all. Thank you Anon. I appreciate your help
+--- 15336211
+>>15336042
+I wouldn't say. I think it's the ratio of the number of points (a, b) within the square to the number of points on the disk. Both a and b are integers ofc. So the limit should converge to pi, since pi*r^2/r^2 = pi.
+--- 15336218
+How much time needs to elapse between when you first eat something and when you begin farting out the gas created from digesting it.
+--- 15336223
+>>15336218
+Your mom
+--- 15336228
+>>15336121
+no worries
+
+>>15336195
+this is great. Thank you!
+--- 15336252
+>>15336211
+I didn't recognize the error term. This is inaccurate. But the other anon linked a wiki resource that say the error term is smaller or equal to [math]|2\sqrt{2} \pi r|[/math], so we have [eqn]\pi \leq \lim_{r \to \infty} \frac{n(r)}{r^2} < \pi + \lim_{r \to \infty} \frac{|2\sqrt{2} \pi r|}{r^2} 
+= \pi + \lim_{r \to \infty} \frac{|2\sqrt{2} \pi|}{r} = \pi + 0 = \pi[/eqn]and therefore the limit should be pi on account of the squeeze theorem.
+--- 15336265
+>>15336025
+Maybe you can show that for all possible group homomorphisms Phi there exists an element a from Q/Z such that a is not 0 and Phi(a) = 0. In this case, it immediately follows that all group homomorphisms are not injective. This would be my first idea on how to try it.
+--- 15336495
+>>15336265
+what about consider |1/4|, and |phi(1/4)|?
+--- 15336498
+>>15335907
+I should add to my explanation: the main difference in infinite dimensions is that the set of c, such that (A - c*1) does not have an inverse, that is continuous (no nice theories, if it is not continuous, that's way), is then called the spectrum. It has an extra name because not all elements of the spectrum necessarily have a vector v, such that Av = c*v now.
+--- 15336738
+>>15336495
+I don't know anything about constructible numbers, anon. I can't tell you anything more, sorry
+--- 15337136
+let's say I have some polynomial of the form 
+[math]a_nx^n + a_{n-1}x^{n-1}...a_0[/math]
+for a concrete example, let's say [math]a=1[/math] and consider a quartic:
+[math]x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1[/math]
+
+here's the question: is there some mathematically concise way or notation to express "the family of functions of the above quartic polynomial derived from all of the different possible combinations of the same terms but differing signs of said quartic"?
+or in less retarded terms
+is there some concise way to express the family of polynomials
+[math]x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1[/math]
+[math]x^4-x^3+x^2+x+1[/math]
+[math]x^4+x^3-x^2+x+1[/math]
+[math]\dots[/math]
+[math]-x^4+x^3-x^2+x-1[/math]
+[math]\dots[/math]
+[math]-x^4-x^3-x^2-x-1[/math]
+
+(I want to be able to generalize this to any degree polynomial)
+--- 15337163
+are there any signal processing anons here? I need to extract MDCT coefficients from mp3 files, but I have almost no idea how to do it, and I cannot find anything on the internet. So far I have tried converting mp3 frames to pcm samples and then applying the MDCT function to those pcm samples, but the results seem strange.
+--- 15337168
+>>15337136
+to be clear, I came up with a way, by representing the coefficients as binary numbers, for example
+[math]x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1 \equiv 11111 \equiv p_{4,31}[/math]
+[math]-x^4+x^3-x^2+x-1 \equiv 01010 \equiv p_{4,10}[/math]
+and so on, where a negative is 0, a positive is 1, and [math]p_{order, decimal val.}[/math]
+
+but this is only convenient for shrinking it down. It's not very amenable to any kind of analysis or algebraic manipulation.
+--- 15337173
+>>15337163
+what class is this for? Undergrad or grad? I'm a signal processing undergrad senior and we haven't touched anything like this yet in class. Seems neat though.
+--- 15337198
+>>15337173
+its not for any class, I am just working on a side project that requires extracting MDCT coefficients from mp3 files.
+--- 15337201
+>>15337136
+I think you could use Group Theory to describe this. Let [math]G := \{1,-1\}^\mathbb{N}[/math] with termwise multiplication as product.
+Now you can define a group action of [math]G[/math] on [math]\mathbb{C}[x][/math].
+
+[eqn] g \cdot \sum_{k=0}^N a_k x^k = \sum_{k=0}^N g_k a_k x^k [/eqn]
+where [math]g = (g_0 , g_1 , \ldots)[/math].
+
+The family of of polynomials you posted is then just the orbit under this group operarion [math]G \cdot (x^4 +x^3 + x^2 + x + 1)[/math].
+--- 15337953
+Consider the transcendent field extension K_1(t) = L with t in K_2. What does it mean that the set of polynomials P(t) in L is "algebraically equivalent" to the set of polynomials P(x) in K_1? I came across this phrase and I can't find a formal definition for it.
+--- 15337989
+Can someone familiar with journal articles please help me figure out the main claim and sub-claims of this article? We have a mandatory research skills module in freshman year and it's incredibly frustrating.
+
+I think the main claim is the first two paragraphs of the abstract, but I'm conflicted, because the last two paragraphs also express the same thing.
+
+https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.quaint.2016.08.036
+--- 15337991
+>>15337989
+This is the first time I've ever read a research paper. I have no clue what I'm doing.
+--- 15337993
+>>15337989
+>connection is not secure
+post the pdf into the thread
+--- 15338017
+>>15337993
+NTA regular DOI https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quaint.2016.08.036
+Title
+"Plants before farming: The deep history of plant-use and representation in the rock art of Australia's Kimberley region"
+researchgate has a pdf
+https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312412099_Plants_before_farming_The_deep_history_of_plant-use_and_representation_in_the_rock_art_of_Australia's_Kimberley_region
+>>15337989
+Try researchgate before sci-hub and other methods such as googling the title in quotes to check if it is otherwise public. Unless you live in a country where nobody cares about piracy.
+>main claim and sub-claims of this article
+I don't know about your class and the professors notion of what "main" or "sub-claims" are, so I can only go on my notion of the meaning. You should've posted the specific definitions or instructions as well if you wanted hints.
+>We have a mandatory research skills module in freshman year and it's incredibly frustrating.
+Given how bad the article you linked was written I'm going to have to conclude your professor is a moron, so that probably doesn't help you any. Please clarify what the retard thinks "main" and "sub-claim" mean.
+
+Anyway, to my general reckoning the MAIN claim in THIS article is that rock art should also be taken as evidence in corroborating notions of plant use. Various sub-claims to my reckoning ought follow from this as claims relating to other lines of evidence. I can't fathom how anyone thinks wasting your time on this is useful but oh well.
+--- 15338020
+>>15337993
+>>15337989
+here fren
+--- 15338025
+>>15338017
+We have to learn general research skills with these articles before going to research related to our major. 
+We were just asked to find the main claim and sub-claims of this article. I think we have to select the sentences from the article that express the main and sub-claims.
+--- 15338094
+>>15338025
+>>15338017
+
+Can I use the last two paragraphs of the abstract as the main claim? Without the word instead.
+--- 15338095
+>>15338094
+last two sentences*
+--- 15338102
+>>15338025
+>We have to learn general research skills with these articles before going to research related to our major.
+This paper is what I'd use to explain "this is what not to do when writing a research paper" by example. If this is the gold standard your professor thinks is good writing I don't suppose it's too late to run?
+>We were just asked to find the main claim and sub-claims of this article. I think we have to select the sentences from the article that express the main and sub-claims.
+Gave you my thoughts >>15338017 but I'll further it with an example of what I mean. Conceptually, let's assume we only have the abstract. The main claims could be any of the following or more,
+>>the orthodox notion of agriculture cumulatively and inevitably developing from foragers' gathering practices is increasingly untenable.
+or
+>>recent archaeological, botanical and genetic research from Asia and Australia show precocious manipulation of plant resources that continue for millennia within a forager ideology and practice without culminating in ‘agriculture’.
+or
+>>rock art is a primary record of long-term sophisticated physical and symbolic manipulation of plants that fits neither into the simplistic categories of ‘foraging’ or of ‘agriculture’.
+or
+>>Rather, we have a society in which people actively chose not to pursue orthodox agriculture while according plants a central place in their lives.
+All of these are equally possible as the "main claim", in lieu of any detail in the article. To determine which is the more relevant and primary you have to read the whole article. That abstract is a goddamn crime but you can still figure it out by RTFA.
+
+Pro tip: The segments 1-7 SHOULD, though the article author is the worst writer I've ever seen in my life, provide an outline and flow of thoughts. So which of the many claims is the "main claim" ought be self evident. This article is an example of "how not to write research papers" in my opinion but oh well.
+--- 15338221
+>>15338102
+This is a mandatory module. I think it was created to get undergrads familiar with research from the first semester.
+
+Thank you fren. It's much clearer now.
+
+Can you help me with the sub-claims as well? I have some written down, but I'm not entirely sure if they're right
+--- 15338228
+Is there an algorithm to determine the minimal polynomial given an algebraic number? For example, consider the algebraic number[eqn]\sum_{k = 1}^n k^{\frac{1}{2}}[/eqn]What would be the minimal polynomial for a given [math]k \in \mathbb{N}[/math]?
+--- 15338246
+>>15338228
+Don't you mean for a given n?
+Either way you use trial-and-error
+For example for n=10 the minimal polynomial is
+
+[eqn]{x}^{16}-96\,{x}^{15}+3928\,{x}^{14}-89568\,{x}^{13}+1243820\,{x}^{12}
+-10681440\,{x}^{11}+53150088\,{x}^{10}-105773280\,{x}^{9}-306405418\,{
+x}^{8}+2147919840\,{x}^{7}-2872989528\,{x}^{6}-6781142688\,{x}^{5}+
+19259216972\,{x}^{4}+1820726496\,{x}^{3}-29925033224\,{x}^{2}+
+1545510240\,x+10788246961
+ [/eqn]
+--- 15338264
+>>15338246
+That's what I meant, yes. Wow, it surprises me that there is no algorithm. Do you know of a proof that no such algorithm exists? On that note: Could it the answer be related to the fact that there is no formula for quintic polynomials?
+--- 15338272
+Does a double negative number always equal a positive?
+
+for example at the beginning of the equation -x where -x = -3
+-(-3) does that just make it positive 3?
+--- 15338299
+>>15338272
+Yes, if the elements are from a ring (or from a field, which is a ring).
+--- 15338334
+>>15338221
+>Can you help me with the sub-claims as well? I have some written down, but I'm not entirely sure if they're right
+Yes. I will try to refrain from further commenting on the various ways I wish a pox on your professor. Maybe. Taken as something analogous to categories and sets, a "subclaim" is only sensible within the scope of whatever one chooses is "the main claim".
+
+So given claim A, then it is a group comprised of sets whose elements are the evidences following from A and some given set. A[1{ ... }, 2{ ... }, 3{ ... }]. Subclaims necessarily follow from the main claim. That is, "if A is true, then B is true", so "A is true therefore B". If one is going to claim art should represent a piece of evidence, then the subcomponents or subsets of that claim ought follow "assuming A is true" and further claim individual examples are evidence assuming art represents plant usage.
+
+Just don't fuck up and end up thinking "B is true therefore A" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
+Or end up thinking the modus tollens variant (not-B therefore not-A) is somehow a fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens
+And if your professor confuses the two I retract my desire to only drown him in minecraft. I've met some very, very bad professors in my time. Can you tell?
+--- 15338362
+>>15338299
+>Guy asks about 3rd grade negative rules
+>Answers with rings and fields
+Does a fedora that large hurt your neck?
+--- 15338378
+>>15338362
+if he didn't understand, he would've just asked again
+--- 15338390
+Consider an algebraic field extension K(t) of degree n. Why is it obvious that all polynomials from K(t) are of degree n - 1?
+--- 15338459
+>>15338390
+K(t) is a vector space over K with the dimension n.
+1, t , t^2 , ... , t^(n-1) are all lineary independent which means they form a basis.
+--- 15338485
+>>15338272
+>Does a double negative number always equal a positive?
+Assuming a lot of things, like just talking about the real number line, yes. As the negative, as a qualifier "prefix" to a number or whatever, means the inverse of something. e.g. -3 is the inverse of 3, -x is the inverse of x, etc. Since our regular numbers are symmetrical around their origin, or 0, i.e. equidistant from 0 whether positive or inverted.
+
+It would help you to not be confused if you advance further to not think of qualifiers as identical to operators. Granted it would help all the more if we didn't use the same fucking symbol for it, but that's a lost cause. It would help even further if at some point we explicitly told people "subtracting" actually means inverting by some magnitude. (-3) - (-3) is therefore "the inverse of 3 inverted by another inverse of 3", which is why it ends up being 0 and why "negative numbers" are positive when acted upon by the inverse operator (the negative sign).
+
+In this context of course the inverse can also simply be thought of as "the reverse" by some magnitude for simplicity sake. As "the reversal by the magnitude of the inverse of 3" would also be 3. Just detailing these kinds of things so you're comfortable trying to think about it in different ways.
+
+That only works if, and only if, the numbers you're working with are symmetric across some origin point. For the simple number line and most purposes they are symmetric about origin, or axis, or 0. Though if you're clever you will immediately note that "0" cannot be said to have an inverse in the normal sense, except conceptually as an origin point wherein one could "invert" the axis and bla bla wheel theory and irrelevant algebraic structure shit.
+>>15338299
+>Yes, if the elements are from a ring (or from a field, which is a ring).
+Not necessarily (:
+>>See also wheel theory
+>>15338362 is right though you're just being unhelpful if someone is asking such a simple pragmatic question.
+--- 15338530
+>>15338390
+Because t has a degree n minimal polynomial over K, it follows that t^n is in the K-linear span of the lower powers of t
+--- 15338538
+>>15338459
+>>15338530
+great thanks
+--- 15338727
+>>15338334
+good answer.
+>>15338221
+anon, if you're thinking the main claim is: >>rock art is a primary record of long-term sophisticated physical and symbolic manipulation of plants that fits neither into the simplistic categories of ‘foraging’ or of ‘agriculture’
+its not
+look more broadly.
+the orthodox notion of agriculture cumulatively and inevitably developing from foragers' gathering practices is increasingly untenable.
+--- 15339246
+>>15333685
+It's wrong
+--- 15339315
+>>15338390
+the other day i thought of a different answer to this, i'd like a more skilled algebraist to comment on my idea:
+let f(x) denote the minimal polynomial of t (hence has degree n)
+then if g(x) is a polynomial of degree >= n, we can divide g by f to get
+g(x) = f(x)h(x) + r(x)
+evaluated at t then, g(t) = 0 + r(t)
+where r(t) is of degree strictly less than n
+and as far as i can tell this would hold in a more general setting than polynomials over a field? although we've not been concerned much with algebraic extensions of rings
+--- 15339392
+>>15339315
+some further thoughts on this:
+the kernel of the evaluation morphism [math]ev_a:k[x]\rightarrow k[t] [/math] is generated by f (do we really need the fact that k[x] is a pid for this?), so by the first isomorphism theorem [math]k[x]/\langle f(x) \rangle \simeq k[t][/math]
+now as in my above post if g(x) = f(x)h(x) + r(x), then g(x) is in the coset identified with r(x)
+
+so my stupid question is:
+given a commutative ring R, and an R-algebra A such that there is an "algebraic" element t in A (that is, there exists a nonzero polynomial f(x) in R[x] s.t. f(t) = 0). Is there a unique minimal polynomial for t? (without any guarantee that R[x] is a PID) My guess is no, but it's too late at night to think of counterexamples.
+But if R is a PID, then everything is fine and the above isomorphism still holds right?
+--- 15339404
+>>15339392
+Worthless
+--- 15339427
+I have two full time terms of CS left to get a CS degree, same goes for math (pure). I used my (federal) student loans to finance the expansion of an agriculture business I started, and it’s been going well enough that I have no interest in waging, but I still find myself, at times, longing to work on something more interesting. What would you advise? I’m interested in math, CS, finance and ecology but really don’t like someone telling me what to do. Self study doesn’t quite scratch the itch I’m seeking to satisfy.
+--- 15339466
+How long does the rabies virus survive outside the body in saliva?
+
+If you touch X object with saliva (dry or wet) reasonable to say you have rabies in your hands????
+--- 15339475
+>>15339466
+Depends on the specific conditions, but generally not more than a few hours.
+--- 15339543
+>>15338334
+Thanks for helping, anon. Really appreciate it!
+>I've met some very, very bad professors in my time
+Haters
+--- 15339554
+>>15339427
+Try out a minor, it'll give you that scratch but at the same time allow you to maintain your business
+--- 15339566
+>>15339543
+Should echo what >>15338727 mentioned I was repeatedly saying "if" but in case it was not explicit enough I was not endeavoring to do your homework for you. Quite intentionally. I don't even know if the other anons notion is right or not.
+--- 15339567
+>>15339554
+A minor? What do you mean? I’m two terms away from graduating with either a Math or CS degree, my minor requirements are fulfilled in both. My problem is that I don’t see a need to complete the degree, but still want to do interesting work.
+--- 15339906
+Why do I feel so well rested when I decide to sleep several hours later than my normal sleep schedule? I do that sometimes to try and get my sleep schedule back to normal and I always notice how good I feel when I wake up. But if I'm going to sleep and waking up at a consistent time I don't usually feel as great.
+--- 15339912
+>>15339906
+>get my sleep schedule back to normal
+try not kissing boomer ass once in a while
+--- 15340073
+What is the average distance between two points in a circle?
+--- 15340235
+>>15340073
+The distance between two points [math](x,y)[/math] and [math](x',y')[/math] with respect to the norm [math]\|.\|[/math] is [math]\|(x - x',y - y') \|[/math].
+To average it out you will need to specifiy a probability distribution for the points. If you use the uniform distribution when you get it as an integral over a 4-dimensional set
+[eqn] \frac{1}{\pi^2 R^4} \int_{\underset{x'^2 + y'^2 \leq R^2}{x^2 + y^2 \leq R^2}} \|(x - x',y - y') \| d(x,y,x',y')[/eqn]
+Assuming the radius of the circle is [math]R[/math]. Hope this helped.
+--- 15340236
+>>15339392
+some clarification: by a minimal polynomial for t, I mean a polynomial that generates the kernel of the evaluation morphism (or equivalently other polynomials with t as a root factors through the minimal polynomial).
+And the last line should have read ''.. if R[x] is a PID..'', ofc this happens iff R is a field, so that part of the question is redundant.
+
+Now I have found some sort of a counterexample, consider the [math]\mathbb{Z}[/math]-algebra [math]\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}[/math] and t = 2 in [math]\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}[/math], the minimal polynomial is x-2, but [math]f(x) = x^2[/math] also has 2 as a root and does not factor through x-2. Now this is a rather shitty counterexample, we really don't think of [math]\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}[/math] as an extension ring of [math]\mathbb{Z}[/math].
+
+So my new stupid question is:
+given a commutative ring R and an R-algebra A such that the structure morphism [math]\phi:R\rightarrow A[/math] given by [math]r\mapsto r\cdot 1_A[/math] is injective (so A a proper ring extension of R)
+if there is an "algebraic" element [math]t\in A[/math] (that is, there is a polynomial [math]f(x)\in R[x][/math] s.t. [math]f(t) = 0[/math]), is the kernel of the evaluation morphism [math]ev_t:R[x]\rightarrow R[t] [/math] (defined by [math]f(x)\mapsto f(t)[/math] ofc) generated by a single element of R[x]?
+What if [math]R = \mathbb{Z}[/math]? (nicest ring short of a field)
+Again my guess is no, but I'm struggling to find a counterexample.
+
+>>15339404
+don't be rude anon, I'd really like an answer to my question
+--- 15340256
+Is qualia still on-topic for /sci/?
+--- 15340598
+why does electrocution cause your skeleton to become visible?
+--- 15340860
+>>15338264
+bump
+--- 15340881
+If we assume that a regular n-gon is constructible, how would we show that a 2n-gon is too constructible?
+--- 15340912
+>>15340881
+Construct the bisectors of all sides and the circumcircle then intersect them.
+--- 15340930
+>>15338264
+For the n=10 case you know that
+
+[eqn]\sum_{k=1}^{10} \sqrt{k} \in \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{2},\sqrt{3},\sqrt{5},\sqrt{7})[/eqn]
+So it makes sense to expect the minimal polynomial to have the degree 2^4 = 16.
+
+For n = 20
+[eqn]\sum_{k=1}^{20} \sqrt{k} \in \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{2},\sqrt{3},\sqrt{5},\sqrt{7},\sqrt{11},\sqrt{13},\sqrt{17},\sqrt{19})[/eqn]
+So the minimal polynomail should have degree 2^8 = 256. Maple does indeed give me one but it already takes an eternity to calculate it.
+
+But for general n you would need to have a formula that tells you how many prime numbers there are up to n to even guess the degree much less calculate it explicitely.
+--- 15340946
+>>15340930
+Great explanation, thank you. However, I don't think it proves that there can't be a more efficient algorithm other than trial and error. As I see it, it only shows that such an algorithm has to somehow incorporate an additional algorithm for the search of prime numbers. But those exist, ofc.
+--- 15341084
+>>15340447 →
+can anyone help or give direction?
+--- 15341151
+I'm fucking retarded. I have that [math] \sum_{k=0}^p {p \choose k}x_{p-k}=p^n [/math], where [math]x_p=S_{n,p}[/math] is the number of surjective mappings from the set [math] \{1,2,\dots,n\} [/math] to the set [math] \{1,2,\dots, p\} [/math]. How do I show that [math] S_{n,p}=x_p=\sum_{k=0}^p (-1)^k {p \choose k} (p-k)^n [/math]. The first part of the problem was proving the first identity, and you're supposed to deduce the second identity from it, so I don't think surjectivity should enter into the argument at any point. It should just be a proof by induction using basic algebra, but I can't figure it out. Help a fren out.
+--- 15341312
+>>15339246
+If that's the case, what's the right answer? There's a whole proof in the book I'm studying(Apostol Vol. I) that relies on this, so where do I find the Errata and corrected proof?
+--- 15341346
+>>15340598
+It doesn't.
+
+The skeleton lighting up like a neon sign is a visual
+gag holdover from the early days of cartoons and films
+(1920s-1930s). What physically happens to
+people in an electrocution are the following:
+>loss of consciousness and bodily control
+>body tensing up/contracting, especially hands
+>entry and/or exit wounds from the grounding of electricity
+>second or even third-degree burns
+>body smoking or even self-igniting
+>death...lots of it
+
+Check out some Liveleak videos for visual examples.
+--- 15341373
+am I wrong in saying that the nodal analysis for the V- path here is just [math]\frac{V_--V_1}{R_3}[/math] + [math]\frac{V_-}{R_2 + R_4}[/math]? I'm a little confused how the extra branch on the output with R4 affects the feedback path and by extension the inverting input of the op amp, if at all.
+--- 15341534
+can someone help me with this? It's an exercise where you have to find the sequence in which functions are ordered by asymptotic growth rate (from slower to fastest) but I don't understand why the right answer is D
+--- 15341605
+>>15341534
+The Order of Growth rules tell you that [math]\Theta(n^c) < \Theta(c^{\log{n}}) < \Theta(n^{\log{n}}) < \Theta(c^n)[/math].
+
+The only function that isn't so obvious is showing that [math]\Theta(n^c) < \Theta({n \choose c}) < \Theta(c^{\log{n}})[/math]. But if you write out the terms you should be able to see it grows as *roughly* [math]n^c[/math].
+--- 15341799
+>>15341346
+>Liveleak
+F
+--- 15341807
+>>15341373
+>I'm a little confused how the extra branch on the output with R4 affects the feedback pat
+It doesn't. Current gets divided, but that's irrelevant here.
+Vout gets voltage divided by R2 and R1. The output of the divider is V-, which is set to equal V+. To solve for Vout, you have to invert the voltage divider equation.
+--- 15341811
+>>15339427
+>but really don’t like someone telling me what to do. 
+>Self study doesn’t quite scratch the itch I’m seeking to satisfy.
+well, pick one, because knowledge doesn't come as a suppository
+--- 15341823
+>>15341312
+I'm not sure what a 'right answer' would be. There is a statement that is wrong. Are you looking for a way to simplify either the left- or right-hand-side?
+--- 15341832
+>>15332629 (OP)
+>Complete the following reactions with the correct reagents
+I am a tard taking orgo so these questions seem virtually impossible. What are some strategies and tips for solving these style problems?
+--- 15341835
+>>15341832
+forgot attachment
+--- 15341839
+>>15341823
+This is the whole theorem in context.
+--- 15341851
+>>15341151
+Do you know about binomial inversion?
+--- 15341854
+3^{-2x} - 3^{-x} = 2
+There's something I'm missing here on how to solve this, tried factoring out 3^{-x} but I'm feeling kinda really dum, shouldn't be as hard.
+--- 15341858
+>>15333685
+Oh. Just a typo then. In your original post you wrote [math]\frac{b^p+1}{n^p+1}[/math] instead of [math]\frac{b^{p+1}}{n^{p+1}}[/math]. You instead have your equality immediately once you move [math]\frac{b^p}{n^p}[/math] inside the sum.
+>>15341854
+Notice that [math]3^{-2x} = (3^{-x})^2[/math]
+--- 15341859
+>>15341854
+[math]3^{-2x} - 3^{-x} = 2[/math]
+Good job.
+--- 15341862
+>>15341854
+Let [math]y = 3^{-x}[/math], so [math]y^2 - y = 2[/math] and solve the quadratic.
+--- 15342075
+Are there lava monsters in the earth's mantle?
+--- 15342082
+pic related. I wasn't interested in getting lectured about nofap. I feel like it's healthy, fun, and free. I just wanted to know if there was an app that filters my search history and stuff. Something that leaves the useful content and gets rid of the unuseful content. I would like to be able to hand my phone, laptop, or desktop to someone else and porn doesn't show up in the search or history, but all of the other normal, useful stuff remains. Is there not an app for this?
+
+I could have used incognito or something, but it's too late. Now all of the useful stuff is mixed with less than useful stuff.
+
+thanks folks.
+--- 15342219
+>>15342082
+You could have a separate guest account for other people to use
+--- 15342919
+>>15342219
+Or better yet, a separate account for masturbatory purposes.
+--- 15343731
+I wanna do something with phenol red, but I've heard that I MUST use gloves. Is phenol red so dangerous?
+--- 15343838
+I'm getting confused right now because I'm quoting too many politicians: If I quote a politician, let's say Merkel, and I find that part of what she said in an online article of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, with that article being written by a guy named Müller:
+
+Do I quote "(Merkel, 2015)" or "(Müller, 2015)"? I am quoting in verbatim. It would make sense to quote "Merkel", but what do I put in the reference list then? It has to be Müller's article, right? So I would have to go by Müller (2015)... bla.
+It also doesn't feel right to do "Merkel, cited in Müller" in this occasion, this is reserved for when I found an academic quote in another source, right? And since I'm talking about narratives and discourses, it can't be that I go with this because I really hardly ever see discourses being quoted like this
+--- 15343970
+is it possible to get into med school after being out of college for years and having no connections? I thought you needed academic letters of recommendation with all the test scores and stuff
+--- 15344109
+>>15332727
+James Stewart's Calculus Vol. 1
+--- 15345067
+>>15341835
+remember carbonyls are the most versatile functional group
+--- 15345178
+>>15341832
+>>15341835
+bare minimum, you need to know how to read bond line structures, otherwise the rest of this post will not make sense to you.
+next, you need to be able to recognize the functional groups. you can see in b) that the molecule starts with an ester and ends with an ether. ochem is all about changes in functional groups; once you know which ones you're dealing with, recall what reactions use esters, and what reactions form ethers, to start piecing together a series of reactions.
+another important thing to look out for is a change in the number of carbons in the molecule, since only a handful of reagents are capable of adding or removing them. for a) I could immediately tell the reagent you're looking for is a Grignard because the product has a new C-C bond. Grignards form tertiary alcohols (an OH bonded to a C bonded to three other C's) when reacted with ketones. your starting compound is not a ketone but a secondary alcohol. so you need to turn the secondary alcohol into a ketone before you can use a Grignard reagent to turn it into a tertiary alcohol.
+the rest of the problem solving process is just a matter of learning all of the reactions of each functional group and remembering them with practice. good luck.
+--- 15345216
+Trying to wrap my head around multivariate differentiation. Let [math]\varphi: \mathbb{R}^d \to \mathbb{R}^k[/math] be [math]C^\infty[/math]. Define [math]F: \mathbb{R}^d \times \mathbb{R}^d \to \mathbb{R}^k[/math] by [math]F(x,u) = d \varphi (x) \cdot u[/math], where [math]d \varphi (x): \mathbb{R}^d \to \mathbb{R}^k[/math] is the derivative of [math]\varphi[/math] at [math]x[/math]. How to show that [math]F[/math] is [math]C^\infty[/math]?
+--- 15345329
+are hands supposed to be squeaky clean or smooth after washing? I always hated liquid soaps due to smooth/greasy feeling, but apparently squeaky is "le bad" according to jewgle. so which one is it and what feeling is left behind surgical soaps?
+--- 15345376
+>>15345216
+The k-th component of F is [math] \sum_i u^i \partial_i \phi^k(x) [/math] and it's enough to show that all these components are smooth.
+--- 15345480
+>>15345376
+Thanks, I think that's all I needed to hear. I can make sense of this problem now.
+--- 15346042
+hey, don't know if this is the place to ask but figured you guys might know. if 2 people play a game where they wanna roll a 2 or 5, taking turns, whats the odds player 1 wins?
+--- 15346064
+>>15346042
+Call the odds that player 1 wins p
+
+p = (1/3) + (2/3)*(2/3)*p
+(5/9) p = 1/3
+p = 3/5
+--- 15346108
+>>15346064
+thank you for the reply but do you mind explaining this to me? 
+I get that 1/3+2/3*2/3*p is just 5/9*p, but how do you go from 5/9 p = 1/3 = p =3/5?
+thanks again for the help.
+--- 15346406
+I decided to read some chapters in the napkin but because I skipped some I don't know the notation used here (specifically the [math]K((X))[/math] part).
+Any ideas? 
+For context [math]K[[X]][/math] is the set of generating function with coefficients in the field [math]X[/math] and based on the stuff below [math]K((X))[/math] is probably the set (field?) of laurent series with coefficients from [math]X[/math].
+
+It is not needed for reading further but I would like to know what it means, just out of curiosity, without having to skip through the earlier chapters.
+--- 15346417
+Does someone have a good reference for an approach to Hodge theory or complex geometry using functional analysis?
+--- 15346430
+>>15346406
+You know how to construct the rationals from the integers?
+You can do the exact same construction with any commutative ring to get a field called the fraction field. K((X)) is just the fraction field you get from K[[X]].
+--- 15346499
+>>15346430
+Oh yeah I get it now. And apparently K((X)), the fraction field of K[[X]], is also the laurent series (which is a pretty nice). Thanks!
+--- 15346557
+Whats the lim of g(x) when x tends to 4 and g is a function with the properties like:
+|g(x) + 5| <= 3(4 - x)^2 for x in the intervals of [3 , 5]
+--- 15346577
+>>15343838
+Merkel said "..." (Mueller, 2015)
+it seems to me
+--- 15346598
+>>15346557
+-5
+--- 15346633
+How was i supposed to know that:
+1. It was Ni+2 there?
+2. It would make a hybridization of sp2d (which i've never heard of in my entire fucking life, what the hell?)?
+3. The electron from the last 3d orbital would stay in that sub-level?
+4. That hybridization with orbitals outside the valence shell were possible? (I mean, how does that make sense?)
+
+My professor sucks and every time i ask him something, he tells me to study more and goes to jack off or something. Please, i just want to understand this shit. None of the material i read tackles this.
+--- 15346656
+Why people with adhd like myself (Yes, I'm egotistic how could you tell) that are highly irritable, disagreeable, impulsive, neurotic or/and prone to anger tend to be confused for schizophrenics, autists or people with borderline (even when they clearly don't fit critteria; they are just uber insufferable even when right)? Is it solely because of choice of medication (aka HOW DARE they prescribe that fuck which pisses me off amphetamine (disregard that said person doesn't even like to take it), he needs to be forced to take antipsychotics or antidepressants so hopefully they suffer/find it unpleasant)? Because I feel like that's the main reason behind this bias even tho all people with neurological disorders are treated like children that can't decide for themselves (autist being treated like downies, schizos/bipolar/adhdtards forced to take their medication so they shut the fuck up)
+--- 15346703
+>>15346633
+1. The complex has 4x CN- ions, and an overall charge of -2, meaning the Ni must be +2 to balance charges
+2. Ligand field theory (picrel). A metal center with four ligands is either gonna be tetrahedral or square planar (i.e. px, py, and dxy orbitals)
+3. I don't get your question, but likely as a result of the hybridization changing energy levels enough to overcome Hund's rule
+4. 3d and 4p/s orbitals are all valence shell, review how the Aufbau principle works
+
+Hybridization is a bit of a shaky concept in inorganic chemistry, and I'm not sure why your prof is wasting your time with it. You basically have to unlearn the handwavy "rules" you learned in Ochem, and re-learn them from the perspective of point group symmetry.
+--- 15346984
+What is the best way to know someone is gaslighting you in the moment?
+--- 15347536
+Is there a closed formula for number of surjections on finite sets?
+--- 15347625
+>>15347536
+The number of surjections from [math]\{1,2,\dots,m\}[/math] to [math]\{1,2,\dots,n\}[/math] with [math]m \geq n[/math] is [math]\sum_{k=0}^n (-1)^k \binom{n}{k}(n-k}^m[/math].
+This follows from inclusion-exclusion, counting first all [math]n^m[/math]functions, removing the ones that miss at least one point, adding back the ones that miss 2, ...
+--- 15347806
+If T is a linear operator on a real vector space of odd dimension, then [math]T^2 + I[/math] is non zero, as [math]det(T^2) \ge 0[/math] whereas [math]det(I) = -1[/math]. 
+
+How would you prove this without using determinants?
+--- 15347807
+What does it mean, when people say you cant solve the navier-stokes-equation? What does it mean when people say you can approximate the solution with numerical analysis? What is a numerical analysis?
+--- 15347812
+>>15347806
+whoops, meant to write [math]det(-I) = -1[/math] of course
+--- 15347941
+ln = natural logarithm (log base e)
+e = 2.7182
+How would I determine x for:
+lnx + x = 5
+I know trial and error will get me an answer close to 3.65 but what is the mathematical way of finding x?
+I have just started Calculus
+Thank you in advance.
+--- 15347968
+>>15347941
+Start with a guess like
+[math]x_0 := 3.65 [/math]
+then just iterate
+[eqn]x_{k+1} = \frac{x_k(6 - \log(x_k))}{1+x_k}[/eqn]
+
+The solution of the equation will be the limit [math]x = \lim_{k \to \infty} x_k[/math].
+--- 15347987
+>>15347806
+Hint: Consider T as a linear operator on the complexification of the vector space and use the fact that [math] T^2 + I = (T + i)(T - i) [/math]
+
+>>15347807
+>you cant solve the navier-stokes-equation?
+That's wrong
+>What does it mean when people say you can approximate the solution with numerical analysis? What is a numerical analysis?
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_analysis
+--- 15347988
+>>15347807
+They are a set of linked 3-dimension differential equations. There are no known closed-form solutions to the general equations, only for certain simple situations. So we can't write down an equation for the answer using analytic functions given all the input parameters and geometry. All we can do is solve the equations using computer algorithms to find approximate solutions.
+
+For example if we could solve Navier-Stokes then we would improve our understanding turbulence and hypersonic flight by several orders of magnitude. However all we can do at the moment is throw supercomputers at the problem.
+--- 15348049
+What symbol is this? Approximately greater than?
+--- 15348137
+>>15348049
+The Latex symbol is \gtrsim but its meaning depends on the context.
+--- 15348224
+the set of all binary strings may be enumerated in lexicographic order: 0, 1, 00, 01, 10, 11, 000, 001 ... and so on
+
+is there a closed form formula (by which I mean any reasonable math-y expression, as opposed to an algorithm or computer code) for the n-th string in this enumeration?
+--- 15348239
+>>15348224
+Well if n starts from 0 then add 2 to n then remove the most significant bit (first digit in binary string)
+--- 15348444
+All things being equal, if I bend a first class lever and adjust the fulcrum accordingly will the forces still be the same?
+--- 15349488
+>>15348444
+yes, the torque is just the cross product of the force and the displacement (from the axis of rotation) to the point where its being applied
+--- 15349501
+>>15347941
+Use a root-finding algorithm such as Newton's method or Halley's method. There is no closed-form solution in terms of elementary functions. There *is* a closed-form expression in terms of Lambert's W function: ln(x)+x=5 => xe^x=e^5 => x=W(e^5). But W is invariably evaluated using root-finding.
+--- 15350078
+So why is the Big Bang justified? Couldn't there have easily have been a Big Gang Bang where the Chaos of eons beginning blacked the Cosmos of becoming? Equally logically possible is the Time Pussy Dilation where spacetime bends to let out the biracial baby of both Chaos and Cosmos.
+--- 15350235
+when a photon is absorbed and then re-emitted from an electron in an atom, does it always re-emit from the same position where it was absorbed, or can it appear from anywhere in the electron cloud?
+
+I'm assuming if it can be from anywhere, the reflected angle is still the same regardless, it can't alter it's direction because then the atom would need to somehow create energy in alternate directions and deal with energy it just gained in directions it isn't using
+--- 15350331
+>>15350235
+Spontaneous emission of the photon is completely random. It can be in any direction.
+--- 15350363
+>>15350331
+it's not random
+--- 15350590
+>>15350363
+Yes it is, I have no idea why you would think otherwise unless you are thinking about stimulated emission which occurs in things like lasers.
+--- 15350755
+Help, how did they get 87% for the first question? Obviously this answer gives the answer for 2nd question as 13%, but I don't get what they did to get 87%.
+--- 15350768
+>Limit the total number of figures and tables to no more than 8, place secondary figures and tables, pictorial figures, and over-sized tables in Supplementary Material
+so no more than 8 in manuscript WITH supplementary material?
+--- 15350769
+>>15350768
+Have you never heard of an appendix before?
+--- 15350771
+>>15350755
+[eqn] F(13) - F(7) = F(10 + 1.5 \cdot 2) - F(10 - 1.5 \cdot 2) = \Phi(1.5) - \Phi(-1.5) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} \int_{-1.5}^{1.5} e^{-t^2/2} dt \approx 86.6\%[/eqn]
+You have to use numerical integration to approximate the integral as it has no closed form solution.
+--- 15350773
+>>15350769
+rude
+--- 15350774
+>>15350771
+Or you can just look at the table they've provided in the question
+--- 15350777
+>>15350771
+>>15350774
+Thank you, I was wondering what bounds they used and why, seeing the integral there I realize that 7 and 13 is +-1.5 std from 10.
+--- 15350787
+>>15350771
+Do you happen to know if ti-84 can calculate error functions or am I just gonna have to integrate like you did? It worked with integrals but shortcuts are always welcome
+--- 15350894
+I just started reading this book on reflection and coxeter groups by James E. Humphreys and I just wanted some clarification on this passage where he lists some examples for reflection groups. Since he doesn't unambiguously define [math]A_{n-1}[/math] anywhere, I figured it's just [math]S_n[/math] acting on the [math](n-1)-[/math]dimensional Euclidean space as described, since anything else wouldn't really make sense. But I just wanted to be sure.
+--- 15351156
+>T=n1+2n2+3n3+4n4...
+in this equation 1 is exponent of 1n, right?
+2 is exponent of 2n and 3 is exponent of 3n, right?
+--- 15351265
+>>15351156
+it's gibberish unless you write it in latex or a picture.
+--- 15351804
+>if you flip a coin 100 times and it lands on heads 99 that means the probability of getting heads is .99
+Why do statards believe this?
+--- 15351843
+i noticed that in some papers in zoology (ecology) "survival rate" is not the same as "Sr" but how do they differ? "Sr" probably means exactly "limited annual survial rate" so if i understand it correctly, if Sr =0.9 then 90% of population survives to the next year
+--- 15352156
+Scientifically speaking, what's the reason we can close our eyes and mouth but not our ears?
+--- 15352330
+What is [math] \epsilon_{jki}\delta_{ii}A_k [/math]?
+--- 15353272
+Just thought some of you guys might get a kick out of this. Yes this was a real published research paper.
+--- 15353479
+>>15332629 (OP)
+This reality makes me incredibly uncomfortable as if it was just me all along, just playing with myself. Can I get rid of this feeling without seeing a shrink? Please don't troll me or anything.
+--- 15353509
+>>15353479
+More details
+--- 15353602
+>>15353509
+Not like it even matters at this point, if I was truly a valued member of society there wouldn't be this many control mechanisms put in place just to force me to be here in this society
+
+This is ridiculous, all of it is
+--- 15353895
+I think my TA hates me. He's responsible for taking bi-weekly sign-offs on workshop tutorials, which adds up to 20% of the grade.
+He was pretty active on the group chat and told us that the next signoff would be held on a day we had exams. He texted the group chat at 11:50, so I privately texted him at 11:55 (WhatsApp) and told him that we had a test at that time. This guy throws a temper tantrum on the group chat the next day and tells us that some individual texted him at midnight on a public holiday and he would block the numbers of anyone who continues to do so. I think he blocked me or deleted my message because it wasn't read. No one else told him and he found out at the last moment that we had an exam. Informs us 2 hours before the exam that the signoff would be conducted one hour before the exam.
+No one shows up, so he changes the time to after the exam and doesn't show up.
+
+Should I apologize the next time we meet, or just ignore it?
+--- 15354008
+My assignment is to dectect this shape, what do? I know something something sbout frequency transform, line detection etc and that's it, wtf do I do next? I know I'm supposed to use machine learning, but I know near nothing about it. Can someone give me some starting point?
+--- 15354015
+does anyone know if its possible to strike the air so hard you can briefly set it on fire? i wanna know if this sort of thing can happen in a logical manner cause i wanna use it as an ability for my fantasy OC
+--- 15354036
+I have to find the lagrangian of this system, but I'm not quite sure about which generalized coordinates should I choose, any suggestion? The rod is rolling (without slipping) over fixed disc.
+--- 15354042
+>>15354015
+or if its possible to move something so fast you manage to set it on fire like a match using air friction
+--- 15354044
+>>15353895
+why would you apologize? This is his own doing
+--- 15354056
+>>15354042
+okay is there a fucking way to make fire out of thin air?
+--- 15354080
+>>15354056
+at mach 25ish (atmospheric reentry speeds) the air starts to ionize
+--- 15354082
+>>15354056
+fire requires a source, heat and oxygen. you only have two of those.
+--- 15354218
+>>15332629 (OP)
+Good Morning /Sci/entists!
+
+>Why I am asking
+I built a better version of Kurumi MaidCard which will have no dependency on Pastebin, because Pastebin jannied MiniMaid.
+
+I built a new MiniMaid which can be posted in 4Chan posts as four java classes. Just save them in the same directory and compile them and now you have MiniMaid and you can open Maid Cards with it to get Kurumi MaidCard so you can make them too.
+
+I want to release it /sci/ instead of /g/ because it is an example of Applied Computational Maidposting which fits better here than on what is basically a consumer electronics board.
+
+>question I want answered
+What is the /sci/ equivalent of posting a dra/g/on maid board [code][/code] block?
+
+Thank you /sci/entists for reading my post.
+--- 15354240
+>>15354218
+Forgot to link this.
+
+>>>/g/92803592
+
+If you want more details you can read them there.
+--- 15354598
+A world-class expert in my field is visiting my university for a seminar soon and faculty and grads are given the opportunity to have one-on-one meetings with him if they want. I kind of want to reserve a time slot because he's sort of working on the same thing as me (PhD student) but I'm a bit nervous over getting mogged by him and basically wasting everyone's time because we're too intellectually apart to have a meaningful discussion. How does that sort of thing usually works? Any unspoken rules I should keep in mind? Has any anon had experiences with meeting big profs at seminars?
+--- 15354653
+>>15332629 (OP)
+What's the best job for a 95 IQ brainlet now that the gpts are going to be doing what I would've been doing in the past? I'm the brainlet BTW.
+--- 15354661
+Is it worth doing a physics phd if you've already got a masters?
+--- 15354668
+>29
+>skinnyfat
+>doctors say i'm "healthy" yet i've been saying to them that I am having general chest pains but alot in picrel
+>got 2nd, 3rd, and 4th opinions
+How do I convince a doctor to do all the tests for heart disease on me?
+--- 15354680
+>>15354661
+For what purpose? If you are looking at a job and the employer says to you: "If you get a PhD in this or that field we can give you your dream job" then yes.
+If you are in a general sense trying to improve your labour market position then probably not.
+If you think you maybe want to enter academia then probably not.
+If you are not sure what to do with your life and think it can't be such a bad idea to get a PhD then absolutely not.
+--- 15354751
+>>15354598
+I've never heard of such a thing as students reserving time-slots to talk privately with a guest to the university.
+--- 15355863
+is grant money from GRFP "not designated for education expenses"? does the $ in "scholarship" in my 1098 Box 5 not go to paying tuition? one of you had to do this recently unless you waited last minute
+--- 15355961
+>>15354218
+>What is the /sci/ equivalent of posting a dra/g/on maid board [code][/code] block?
+--- 15355973
+>>15332727
+Professor leonard on youtube.
+Khan academy was very badly explained IMO.
+--- 15356268
+>>15354036
+I haven't considered the problem deeply or anything but to me it seems like the best coordinate here would probably be the angle of the point of contact
+--- 15356483
+For an entrance exam I'm studying for there is a section on implication in logic. You're given a syllogism and then have to tick whichever answer applies. There is only ever ONE correct answer.
+
+So here is what I got stuck on.
+All dogs are animals.
+All animals are made up of cells.
+
+The potential answers are:
+A: Some Dogs are not made up of cells.
+B: All things made up of cells are dogs.
+C: Some things made up of cells are dogs.
+D: All Dogs are made up of cells.
+E: None of the answers above.
+
+I consider both C and D true statements that necessarily follow from the syllogism. If all dogs are animals and all animals are made up of cells, then all dogs must be made up of cells, right? Well, no. Apparently according to the simulation, only C must follow necessarily.
+
+So I looked up the guide in the learn material and it states that whenever A is B and B is C, the only statements that necessarily follow are that Some C are A and that some A are C.
+Why? I don't get it. I even drew it up like a retard. It would only make sense to say that "some dogs are made up of cells" if the original syllogism stated "some dogs are animals".
+--- 15356606
+>>15356483
+Which one is strictly necessary?
+>Why? I don't get it.
+1. There are things that possibly follow
+2. There are things that necessarily follow
+3. There are things that contingently follow.
+If you are being asked which one necessarily follows, then you can exclude things that merely possibly follow or what is contingent, etc.
+In your case your answer is figuring out the first two. You're being asked what necessarily follows. I'm pretty sure you can immediately figure out which one is the wrong answer.
+--- 15356644
+>>15356483
+>So I looked up the guide in the learn material and it states that whenever A is B and B is C, the only statements that necessarily follow are that Some C are A and that some A are C.
+I shouldn't have skipped over this. You appear to have a general example of one POSSIBLE configuration of a 3 tiered syllogism. The question is not the general example, clearly, as it states "all C are A" and "all B are A". Your general example is "SOME C are A".
+
+You really need to pay attention to the words. Carefully. "some" and "all" have completely different results.
+--- 15356649
+>>15356644
+Correction: "all C are B, all B are A". My bad.
+--- 15356768
+>>15355863
+Bump, please help
+--- 15356857
+>>15356606
+But both necessarily follow. Some dogs are made up of cells is just the weaker claim of the two.
+
+pic related is how it's explained in the book. How are System 1 and System 2 any different?
+
+B in system 1 is equivalent to C in System 3. C in system 1 is equivalent to A in system 3.
+So if the statement All C are B is a valid solution for system 1, then why is the statement All A are C not a valid solution for system 3?
+If I would write the syllogism for system 1 in the same terms as system 3 it would say "All B are C." and "All A are B." 
+
+Premise 1 and Premise 2 just swap places but I don't see how the order of the premises would make a difference. Like how does the premise 
+"All animals are made up of cells"
+and
+"All dog are animals."
+allow me to conclude "All dogs are made up of cells."
+but when I swap the order to
+"All dogs are animals."
+and
+"All animals are made up of cells."
+I can now only conclude "Some dogs are made up of cells."
+--- 15356918
+I get understand that statement forms such as "p && q || r" are ambiguous and require parentheses but are statement forms composes entirely of and connectives or or connectives ambiguous? Like do I need parentheses for the following statement forms:
+p && q && r
+p || q || r
+--- 15357174
+>>15356918
+No, these expressions are unambiguous even without parentheses.
+&& as well as || are "associative" just like, for example +, and "a + b + c" does not require parentheses either.
+Expressions like that can be given a formal mathematical meaning; for example "a + b" could denote an element in an Abelian group, and "a && b" could denote an element in a Boolean algebra.
+Intuitevly, they are of course associative because the meaning of "p && (q && r)" and "(p && q) && r" are both, self-evidently, "all of p, q, and r are true".
+I suppose you could also write down the truth tables for "p && (q && r)" and "(p && q) && r".
+--- 15357242
+Aight, so i got a pretty big science 101 question. I should have asked this in my first college physics class but i didn't so now i'm gonna look like a moron. Like, i've got a pretty good idea of how black holes work and i don't know this simple fucking thing.
+
+So, if we're all in the big bang, if the big bang is all of the stuff in the universe moving from being ultra compact to spreading out, how do we know where its center is? Or don't we?
+--- 15357245
+>>15357242
+There is no center. The Big Bang was not an explosion from some focal point, it is the expansion of space itself which is why no matter which direction we look in we see everything moving away from us at the same speed.
+--- 15357250
+>>15356857
+Holy fucking hell WHY do they NOT just fucking USE SET THEORY NOTATION FOR FUCK SAKE.
+
+Some resources
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism
+rules https://wikieducator.org/Rules_and_Fallacies_for_Categorical_Syllogisms
+
+>So if the statement All C are B is a valid solution for system 1, then why is the statement All A are C not a valid solution for system 3?
+Hoo boy here we go. First understand per the wiki about particulars vs universals. Also see image uploaded here.
+For reference:
+System 1 = AAA-1 "Barbara"
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Modus_Barbara_(Euler).svg
+System 2 = AAI-3 "Darapti"
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Modus_Darapti_(Euler).svg
+System 3 = AAI-1 "Barbari"
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Modus_Barbari_(Euler).svg
+
+All C are B is valid for system 1 as they're all "universals". Even if any term had no instances (elements), it would still be true.
+For system 1, consider it like nested sets. B{A[C()]} all the relations are true. "carries no existential import" (fuck you aristotle).
+1. All A are B
+A is clearly a subset of B
+2. all C are A
+C is a subset of A
+3. All C are B
+C is clearly nested in A which is clearly nested in B.
+
+Notice how sets make it all sane again?
+
+In system 3, it is supposed to be (and is failing to be) modus barbari. They are not nested sets, as one is actually stating "some element A exists in set B". Therein lies the problem. To demonstrate,
+Set mockup: C{B[A]}
+1. All A are B
+True as A is clearly an element of B
+2. All B are C
+True as B is a subset of C.
+3. All A are C
+This does not follow. "A" is an element, and all of "A" may not exist within "C" merely because one PARTICULAR instance of A exists within B. "A" could be a member of many other sets, such as Z{A} and so on.
+
+Do it my way, you instantly can intuit the problem. Do it Aristotle's retarded way with those retarded euler diagrams and, well, yeah. (1/2)
+--- 15357292
+>>15356483
+(2/2) from >>15357250
+
+Now let's set this up the sane way instead of the retarded way.
+
+1. All dogs are animals.
+2. All animals are made up of cells.
+3. ???
+A: Some Dogs are not made up of cells.
+B: All things made up of cells are dogs.
+C: Some things made up of cells are dogs.
+D: All Dogs are made up of cells.
+E: None of the answers above.
+
+You are given 3 systems to find the right answer. The premises in system 1 are in the wrong order, as are those in system 2 and its diagram. We're stuck with ugly system 3 since we want to go from A to B to C.
+
+The only valid answer is therefore going to "some C are A", or "some A are C". To avoid the aforementioned existential fallacy.
+
+Assuming I didn't fuck up in my insomniac state and get any of the orders wrong in my explanation from before, hopefully the right answer is now immediately apparent. Use system 3.
+--- 15357311
+>>15357250
+>>15356857
+I feel I need to further clarify my example for system 3 just in case. Keep in mind my "set theoryish mockup" is WITHIN the logic given by the systems you are using, since you specifically asked "why does this work in system 1 but not 3".
+
+I should've specified in system 1's example "All set A are set B" and so on, and for system 3 I should've specified in conclusion "all element A are in set C". An element was chosen to analogize your request to demonstrate why you can't make a universal statement about a particular in system 3. In that, by doing so, you are not only saying "it exists" you are saying "it ONLY exists IN HERE". That's doubly bad.
+--- 15357331
+Let [math]X = \{0,1\}^\mathbb{N}[/math]. We equip the space of regular probability measures [math]\mathcal{P}(X)[/math] with the weak-* topology, where by definition [math]\mu_n \to \mu[/math] iff for every continuous function [math]f \in C(X)[/math] there holds [math]\int_X f d \mu_n \to \int_X f d \mu[/math]. 
+
+I'm reading some text where it seems that, as far as the author's concerned, [math]\mu_n \to \mu[/math] in the weak-* sense iff for every cylinder set [math]C \subset X[/math] there holds [math]\mu_n (C) \to \mu (C)[/math]. By "cylinder set" I mean finite intersections of sets of the form [math]\{x \in X \mid x(n_0) = b_0\}[/math] for some given [math]n_0, b_0[/math]. 
+
+Is this really equivalent to weak-* convergence? How come?
+--- 15358916
+This proof feels wrong but I'm not sure why.
+--- 15358924
+>>15358916
+Theorem 1.17 is right here:
+--- 15358932
+>>15354036
+I'm with the other anon on point of contact. If the rod doesn't slip then it is always tangent to the disc, center of mass position and gravitational energy can be computed from the geometry. Kinetic energy seems harder, you'll have to consider rotation of the entire rod about the disc center plus pivoting of the rod about the point of contact, but it seems tractable.
+--- 15358942
+>>15358916
+I don't know what you are doing with the whole `degree p' thing (is f a polynomial?) but you can just use a change of variables [math]x\mapsto -x[/math] in your [math]\int_{-b}^0 f(x)\, dx[/math].
+--- 15358982
+>>15358916
+This proof is correct, but only for even degree monomials. We want to prove the integration formula for all even functions (how about [math]\cos(x)[/math]?), so we can't assume a specific formula for [math]f(x)[/math]. Instead, do as >>15358942 suggested.
+--- 15358993
+>>15358932
+I (the other anon) actually did the calculation for some reason.
+I'm pretty sure the kinetic energy takes the nice form [math]\dot{\alpha}^2(\iota + \alpha^2)/2[/math]. (Where [math]\iota[/math] the moment of inertia of the rod)
+The angular velocity of the rod is (more or less) obviously just the angular velocity of the point of contact.
+And when you parametrize the position of the center of mass in terms of [math]\alpha[/math] it turns out the norm of the derivative is exactly [math]|\alpha|[/math].
+--- 15359025
+In this proof, why does it say x must be a multiple of p(x)?
+--- 15359038
+In probability, is there a term for how the odds of a single nonzero outcome happening approaches 1 given unlimited trials?
+--- 15359039
+>>15359038
+I'm not sure, can you give more context?
+--- 15359044
+>>15359038
+Murphy's Law.
+--- 15359053
+>>15359039
+I assumed it was the Law of Large Numbers or Law of Averages, but turns out those don't necessarily describe this.
+>>15359044
+Murphy's Law actually used in statistics? I thought it was more of a colloquial term.
+--- 15359059
+>>15359025
+>suppose that I consists of all multiples of some polynomial p(x)
+>x in I
+--- 15359069
+>>15359038
+Infinite monkey theorem
+--- 15359093
+>>15359069
+Thanks anon. I thought it'd be named something more pretentious.
+--- 15359119
+>>15359059
+Oh, I thought that meant that I had all multiples in p(x) and then some.
+--- 15359136
+>>15357250
+>>15357292
+>>15357311
+Thanks for the explanation and the effort is appreciate, however I want to specifically respond to this:
+>You are given 3 systems to find the right answer.
+
+The book contains a total of 19 systems. My inclusion of system 2 wasn't really to imply that I have to choose from those 3 systems, it was just to demonstrate how the book explains it and I still intuitively disagree with why "All dogs are made up of cells" isn't a valid solution. I genuinely think that there must be some mistake there because clearly something THIS counterintuitive requires an explanation IN THE FUCKING BOOK. It makes no sense to just gloss over it. I almost feel like system 3 was supposed to be about some A being B and all B being C and someone just accidentally inserted an "all" in there during print.
+--- 15359166
+>>15354036
+Kinetic energy = COM+rotational
+so:
+[math]L = (1/2)\dot{\theta}^2(mr^2+I) - mg\sin{\theta}[/math]
+where [math]theta[/math] is the angle above the circle's horizontal for the rod's COM and [math]I[/math] is the rod's moment of inertia.
+--- 15359224
+>>15359136
+>The book contains a total of 19 systems. My inclusion of system 2 wasn't really to imply that I have to choose from those 3 systems, it was just to demonstrate how the book explains it and I still intuitively disagree with why "All dogs are made up of cells" isn't a valid solution. I genuinely think that there must be some mistake there because clearly something THIS counterintuitive requires an explanation IN THE FUCKING BOOK. It makes no sense to just gloss over it. I almost feel like system 3 was supposed to be about some A being B and all B being C and someone just accidentally inserted an "all" in there during print.
+Oh, my bad, I had assumed you were given some sort of simple or more narrow set to work with. In that case, you are going to have to go and identify which pattern of the syllogism applies given the two premises given. It may have in fact been pure coincidence that babari was the correct pattern to answer that specific question, assuming I didn't fuck up.
+
+Anyway the main thrust of my attempt to help clarify was that you can represent such systems with very simple notation that intuitively demonstrates the logic of any particular syllogism. In that it is also self evident, representing the structures as you would in set notation and set theory, why you can or can't do things a certain way. Such as from babari trying to say "all" of "a particular" or "all" of "some thing" exists within two categories.
+
+If the book does not provide notation to work through and make it easy to figure out which syllogism applies, I highly recommend using set theory or propositional calculus or both. Especially because the language used and visualizations used get very confusing, because they do not intuitively show you why you can or can't do things a certain way.
+
+If you want more help please ask. Just please be sure to also provide the fuller context of what help you need and why, so I don't waste time having guessed wrong.
+--- 15359424
+>>15354036
+>>15358993
+Just stepped through the calculation myself. Set the disc center as [math](0,0)[/math], disc radius [math]R[/math], finite length rod mass [math]M[/math], [math]\alpha[/math] is zero for a flat, balanced rod, CCW positive. Kinetic energy was 
+[math]\frac{1}{2}MR^2\dot{\alpha}^2\alpha^2+\frac{1}{2}M\frac{L^2+12R^2\alpha^2}{12}\dot{\alpha}^2[/math]. 
+
+I recognize the first term as the CoM rotation energy modulated by an [math]\alpha^2[/math] term. If we have a really long rod that can somehow wrap all the way around the disc, the CoM has a greater distance from the origin and a higher rotational energy the more times it winds around the disc. Also, at [math]\alpha=0[/math], the kinetic energy is indeed zero; if you visualize it in your head, the CoM momentarily has no velocity when the rod passes through the zero position.
+
+As for the second term, the rotational energy term, first convince yourself that the angular velocity of the rod with respect to its point of contact with the disc (ignore all translational motion) is indeed [math]\dot{\alpha}[/math]. The point of contact is also the pivot about which we calculate the energy. The moment of inertia needs to be computed about that pivot, just use the parallel axis theorem with [math]R\alpha[/math] as the displacement from the CoM, employing the no-slip condition. Indeed with [math]\alpha=0[/math], we get the MoI for the rod about its center [math]\frac{1}{12}ML^2[/math], as it is balanced on its center at zero rotation angle.
+
+These solutions >>15359139 >>15359166 are oversimplifications of the problem.
+--- 15359490
+>>15354008
+Well, what is the computer allowed to calculate? When you say you're supposed to use machine learning, are you able to apply image segmentation like Mask R-CNN? Or do you have to do image processing? If this is for some CSCI course, I doubt you are expected to learn the mathematics necessary for the latter like the Discrete Fourier Transform you mentioned. What you're allowed to do will determine the approach you take.
+--- 15359606
+>>15359136
+>>15359224
+
+The problem is that the premises are equivocating “animal.” The taxonomy narrator breaks “animals” up into its subgroups, one of which is “dog.” The biology narrator is breaking up cells into all the examples of things made up of cells, including “animals”. “Dogs” are not a part of “things that are made up of cells” the way “dogs” are a part of the things made up of “animals,” even if the premise “all dogs are animals” is tossed into the mix, because the “animals” superset treats “dogs” differently than the “cell” superset treats “dogs.” Why? Because the supersets of “animals” and “cells” are separate in the premises, and it is only the equivocation of the word “animal” that is making you conflate them.
+
+This is paradoxical to you because you are adding the information that, of course, dogs are made up of cells, but the syllogism does not imply that; you added that. 
+Your venn diagrams are therefore wrongly applied.
+This should be a big circle of "animals" with "dogs" inside, and another big circle of "cells" with "animals" inside, and a faint line connecting the word "animals" that you are equivocating. 
+
+The confusion here is that you are adding information -- that the "animals" is the same -- that the premises do not contain. 
+
+I personally would not even say that any of the answers were correct until the equivocation was addressed.
+--- 15359643
+>>15359606
+This was already dealt with via very simple examples analogizing the particular to an element and whether or not one is attempting to claim some particular is exclusively a member of a subset or not.
+>>15357250
+>>15357292
+In any event as noted the universal is the correct answer e.g. where it's got the same (lack of) existential import.
+--- 15359646
+>>15359643
+Goddamnit. I meant the particular "some" not the "universal of that particular". I keep forgetting it is not obvious to a casual observer that my statement there requires you understand I'm making nested statements.
+--- 15359666
+>>15359643
+I don't mean to be persnickety, but no it was not. Your (exhaustingly) rigorous definition did not show the fallacy of equivocation at the heart of the question. 
+
+If someone is not aware of the fallacies, then they cannot apply the symbolism correctly to begin with. The question deceptively equivocated "animal," and the resultant added information is not something that the symbolism could parse, since the one applying the symbols would not see the equivocation of "animal" any better after giving both "animals" the same letter.
+--- 15359676
+>>15359666
+I am sorry, then, for I do not understand what meaning you intend by that equivocation if NOT the existential fallacy already dealt with. Since any equivocation would make itself evident by the consequence of its existential import, e.g. "element exists in these nested sets". If they are all universal, as with barbara, there's no problem from an equivocation as there's no existential import of "some particular" being exclusive to the nested universals.
+
+Also it wasn't really all that rigorous at all, I was trying to keep it as simple and brief as possible to give an idea of how one could approach better understanding what the (horseshit) diagrams are trying to convey and why things don't work one way vs. another.
+--- 15359767
+>>15359424
+This shit somehow got me really confused about rigid body dynamics.
+If we just have some rod flying around in a plane, the the total kinetic energy should indeed just be [math](M\dot{x}^2 + I\dot{alpha}^2/2[/math] right?
+(Where x the position of and I the moment of inertia about the center of mass)
+In that case I don't see how my solution (>>15358993) can be different from yours, besides forgetting about the mass and radius.
+Stating the angular velocity of a rigid body wrt some reference frame does not really make sense as far as I can tell, though you seem to do that.
+--- 15359785
+>>15359767
+[math](M\dot{x}^2 + I\dot{\alpha}^2)/2[/math]
+--- 15359843
+>>15359767
+Yeah in fact I distinctly remember programming this simulation using that "decomposition" for the energy, and it seems to capture the energy just fine.
+--- 15359930
+>>15359767
+The energy written in >>15359785 is certainly the expression for a rod that is free to move and spin in space, I don't disagree with that. However, when we include the kinetic energy in the Lagrangian as per the original question, we have to bake the constraints (rod touches the disc at only one point, no slipping) into the formula. I don't yet see any contradiction between your and my ideas, save for the simpler formula with [math]\theta[/math] not yet capturing the constrained motion that the formula with [math]\alpha[/math] does.
+
+>>15359843
+Cool simulation, what language was this created in?
+--- 15359994
+I have a question regarding error propagation.
+
+I am calculating the density of a cylinder, and so am measuring its mass, diameter, and height. Of course, the volume of a cylinder is [math] V = \pi r^2 [/math] so I need to divide the diameter by 2. My question is, when I perform the error propagation calculations, do I use the value I measured, the diameter, or do I use the value I used, the radius? Its the difference between using [math]\sigma_V = V \sqrt{\left(\frac{\sigma_{diameter}}{diameter} \right)^2+\left(\frac{\sigma_{height}}{height} \right)^2 } [/math] or [math] \sigma_V = V \sqrt{\left(\frac{\sigma_{diameter}}{radius} \right)^2+\left(\frac{\sigma_{height}}{height} \right)^2 } [/math]
+
+Also, I am assuming that we take out anything from uncertainty calculations that don't interact with another variable or are fixed constants, ie [math]\pi[/math] or [math] r^2 [/math]
+--- 15360000
+>>15359930
+Oh, I see, yeah I never actually studied Lagrangian mechanics formally, but I remember something about the constraints showing up as partial derivatives or something.
+It's... javascript. WebGL seemed easier to wrangle than OpenGL or Vulkan, otherwise I wouldn't touch it.
+--- 15360233
+>>15359994
+At least from a mathematical standpoint they are different. If we look at the diameter/radius terms, we have
+[math]V^2\left(\frac{\sigma_d^2}{d}\right)^2=\frac{1}{16}\pi^2 d^2h^2\sigma_d^2=\frac{1}{4}\pi^2 r^2h^2\sigma_d^2[/math]
+
+whereas
+[math]V^2\left(\frac{\sigma_r^2}{r}\right)^2=\pi^2 r^2h^2\sigma_r^2[/math].
+
+Now, if [math]\sigma_r=\frac{1}{2}\sigma_d[/math], these terms would be equivalent, but this is not probably not the case in your experiment. If you have only one ruler or caliper or whatever, then [math]\sigma_r=\sigma_d[/math], so it actually matters. The difference comes in the magnitude of what you are measuring; measuring the radius to be [math]15.2\pm0.5\text{ cm}[/math] is qualitatively different from measuring the diameter to be [math]30.4\pm0.5\text{ cm}[/math] in that uncertainty is a larger fraction of the former measurement than in the latter. This is reflected in the contribution being quartered when using the diameter. I'm not sure what your last question / statement about "taking things out from uncertainty calculations" is saying.
+
+>>15360000
+Checked. Yeah, by writing the energy with constraints, the equations of motion are obtained by calculating [math]\frac{\partial L}{\partial q}[/math] and [math]\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}}[/math], the partial derivatives of the Lagrangian with respect to generalized coordinates ([math]\alpha[/math] and [math]\dot{\alpha}[/math] in the problem), and automagically satisfy the constraints.
+
+As for numerical simulation and visualization, I haven't delved into it very much as it's not really needed in my line of study. Still something I would like to get into however. Any recommended starting points? Just pick something to sim and roll with it?
+--- 15360248
+>>15360233
+Oops.
+
+
+"Now, if [math]\sigma_r=\frac{1}{2}\sigma_d[/math], these terms would be equivalent, but this is probably not the case in your experiment. If you have only one ruler or caliper or whatever, then [math]\sigma_r=\sigma_d[/math], so it actually matters."
+--- 15360322
+>>15360233
+If you don't actually care about ODE methods or things like that, just pick up Octave or Sage or some other framework and go crazy.
+If what you're trying to visualize isn't cutting edge math, expect little trouble in return for a lot pretty pictures.
+Something I've been enjoying recently are geodesics. I have an Octave script now that finds them on a vanishing set of any reasonably nice function of R3.
+Oddly appropriate considering these could just be understood as motion of a particle constrained to a surface!
+You can get the general ODE in that case very straightforwardly with computer algebra; https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/111577 gives you the second fundamental form, and Lee's Riemannian Geometry Lemma 8.5 gives the geodesic equation in terms of that.
+--- 15360335
+>>15360248
+>>15360233
+So Im still a bit confused. should my uncertainty formula be one of the two I posted here>>15359994
+or do I need to do something different? I know that my uncertainty is with respect to the diameter, not the radius, so how do I change my error propagation formula accordingly?

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+-----
+--- 15334379
+How many of you are ACTUALLY 130+ iq?
+--- 15334382
+87 IQ anon here, AMA.
+--- 15334398
+>>15334379 (OP)
+probably a lot. 130 has a rarity of 1 in 44, and this board certainly will attract smarter people. .
+--- 15334401
+>>15334379 (OP)
+im probably like 90 iq. i dont give a fuck about science im afraid, im just here to dunk on vaxtards
+--- 15334410
+>>15334401
+>>/pol/
+--- 15334414
+>>15334410
+make me retard
+--- 15334419
+>>15334414
+>retard
+--- 15334430
+>>15334398
+True. I would put the average iq of frequent posters on this board at around 120
+--- 15334445
+>>15334419
+youre smarter than me and yet you still fell for the scam. how does that make you feel
+--- 15334446
+>>15334379 (OP)
+IQ is a social construct
+--- 15334447
+>>15334445
+You're not and yet you fell for a bigger scam, of which you are the scammer.
+--- 15334448
+>$0.0036
+>or $0.00339
+--- 15334450
+>>15334446
+Kek
+--- 15334471
+>>15334447
+what scam is that exactly? and you need to give your head a shake if you think theres a bigger scam than letting yourself get injected with whatever the government tells you to get injected with
+--- 15334474
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Idk what my IQ is. Honestly, I don't wanna know because I may not like the best result :(
+--- 15334479
+>>15334398
+>this board certainly will attract smarter people
+then they leave after seeing the 12th thread on 0.999...
+--- 15334537
+i got a 60/60 on a ravens progressive matrices at 17. went to psychologist for depression and was administered it. i was scored "144". but i don't know how representative that is.
+i certainly feel smart and people say i am smart, but i am a bit disappointed that i don't have mental superpowers or anything. i mostly just pick up on patterns really quickly. it feels like i often intuitively figure out things that other people might have to think about for longer. i still get things wrong and make mistakes and fail to understand things.
+--- 15334548
+69 IQ here.
+--- 15334608
+>>15334548
+Get on my level, I'm 420 IQ
+--- 15334610
+>>15334537
+Do you find it hard to speak to the average person?
+--- 15334611
+>>15334608
+mine is over 9000
+--- 15334667
+>>15334471
+Don't argue with this proud academic dipshit. I know a lot of niggers like this. They'll never admit they did this to themselves. 85% of /sci/ are reddit vaxxed niggers "muh MBA" "Muh education". Enjoy VAIDS niggers.
+--- 15334762
+>>15334610
+not in general. there is usually a sort of "feeling it out" phase with people where i have to determine how much i need to explain concepts. but i think everyone does that, finding out how someone else operates and what type of conversation you can have with them.
+i do find it hard to find people where i go "okay this person is actually pretty clever". like there are only a few times where someone feels really in sync with how i'm operating.
+writing this out feels somewhat narcissistic. i imagine it's similar to someone who is very tall or naturally funny, like you don't run into many people who are as tall or hilarious or whatever.
+i don't think it's really a cheatcode though. i struggle with motivation and often feel like i've wasted a gift i was given. i think i'd trade some off in exchange for more self discipline.
+--- 15334901
+>>15334762
+self discipline is the gift of sub 80 IQs 
+
+its literally doing the most understimulating shit over and over and seeing miniscule improvements
+
+just LARP as a retard and youll make it
+--- 15335031
+>>15334610
+>Do you find it hard to speak to the average person?
+NTA. In general your best bet is never to talk about anything that would require you explain things to such an extent the person would begin to feel belittled by it. This is not JUST about average people, but inter-comparison of standard deviations. The more extreme of an outlier you are compared to others, in general, the more you need to prune your language and ideas. Taken to the extreme, doesn't matter if someone has an IQ of 145, you can definitely elicit a similar response as you'd get trying to explain evolution to a young earth creationist if you're that much of an outlier to them as they are to someone normal.
+
+The second problem is communicating ideas. If someone is about as intelligent as I am, I need to write very little even if we're writing back and forth a lot. We simply "fill in the blanks" so quickly that even relatively nonstandard uses of jargon, analogies, and so on, can easily be mutually understood. The more out of someone else's depth you are the more words you need to explain the level of detail you're going for, and the breadth you intend. Yet such people are the least tolerant of exactly that. It is a catch-22, and you're always better off being charismatic and witty than genuine or genuinely desiring to share your ideas. It can go real bad real fast, especially if you upset any resident narcissist online or off. Since the more you outclass a narcissist the more desperate they are to try ruining you to make up for how pathetic they are. Really there's only down sides to being honest.
+>>15334762
+>i do find it hard to find people where i go "okay this person is actually pretty clever". like there are only a few times where someone feels really in sync with how i'm operating.
+A kind of mutual "flow" would be the idea you're going for, I think. I've only met one person where I've felt that, and we're both insane outliers.
+--- 15336149
+>>15334667
+Still waiting on that VAIDS.
+--- 15336159
+When I was 8 I was scouted for a gifted program at some university, but my jealous sister caused my parents to not let me into the program.
+Since then I didn't do much to prove myself.
+--- 15336161
+>>15334379 (OP)
+I measured mine to be a little bit over 130, but it was with a soft ruler, so it might really be even bigger.
+--- 15336166
+135 midwit here. i want to kill myself because i'm sub 150. they ordered a test for me at school when i was 7 or 8 because i was a bit precocious. it was administered by an old lady and the only question i remember was "name something you'd find on the side of a building that people don't like" and i was racking my brain for the word graffiti but i just couldn't produce it so i said "bugs". i always wondered what the average of 100 really represents if they only take the smart kids for testing. how many people do you know that have been given a legitimate test by a credentialed psychiatrist
+--- 15336169
+>>15336166
+>135 midwit here
+being in the top 1% is not a "midwit"
+--- 15336202
+>>15336166
+I thought of trash and then quickly started to wonder what 'the side of a building' actually meant.
+--- 15336317
+>>15334379 (OP)
+considering +2 sd is 1/50th of the population, I'd imagine a lot
+--- 15336332
+>>15336169
+138 midwit here. Even I acknowledge only people above 145 are not midwits.
+--- 15336382
+>>15336332
+What do you think midwit means? Doesn't the term midwit imply near-average intellect?
+--- 15336522
+I think I'm around 120. IQ is overrated anyway. The guy with the highest IQ was socially shy, never started a family, and worked as a measly professor his whole life. Not a life I'd personally want. I think creativity and social skills are just as important as IQ.
+--- 15336528
+>>15336332
+You're over 130. You're not a midwit, you dumbass.
+--- 15336545
+>>15336166
+>135 midwit here. i want to kill myself because i'm sub 150. they ordered a test for me at school when i was 7 or 8 because i was a bit precocious. it was administered by an old lady and the only question i remember was "name something you'd find on the side of a building that people don't like" and i was racking my brain for the word graffiti but i just couldn't produce it so i said "bugs". i always wondered what the average of 100 really represents if they only take the smart kids for testing. how many people do you know that have been given a legitimate test by a credentialed psychiatrist
+--- 15336590
+160. It's of no value because I need to work to survive.
+--- 15336596
+>>15336332
+midwit is someone average to slightly above average (100 to 115) 
+being in the top 1% is in no way a midwit. just elitism for the sake of it at this point.
+--- 15336699
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Why are you asking? Why are /sci/ fags so insecure?
+--- 15336702
+>>15336699
+this place is full of teenagers
+--- 15336726
+>>15336596
+It's part of /pol/tard and related rhetoric to dismiss scientists and science in favor of cherrypicked "experts" confirming respective biases. Or their own narcissism and delusional beliefs of their own intellectual superiority. Doesn't help that people suffering imposter syndrome due to unrealistic expectations of themselves pick up the same lingo. It's a confluence of things.
+--- 15336734
+>>15336169
+140 midwit here. I acknowledge only von Neumann to be not a midwit or anyone >160 iq
+--- 15336737
+>>15336734
+>"im 140, look at this online test i took!"
+youre less than 140 lol
+--- 15336743
+>>15336737
+what score did u get sub 120 retard?
+--- 15336745
+>>15336743
+>another online test
+HHAHAHAHAHA hes coping hard
+--- 15336755
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Depends on how many IQ tests you let me do beforehand
+--- 15336758
+>>15334379 (OP)
+i haven't took an IQ test,waste of money
+--- 15336763
+>>15336745
+>no score 
+>HAHAHAHHAHA
+your laugh sounds retard 
+you’re probably a third world niggermonkey
+--- 15337107
+>>15336734
+Kek. 160 is prime midwit material. LITERALLY EVERY historical genius was 180+
+--- 15337112
+>>15337107
+If you are not at least over 200 IQ then you couldn't even figure out the captcha.
+--- 15337125
+>>15336169
+160 midwit here. I cant believe ill never be anything other than a dumbass. Might as well neck
+--- 15337131
+>>15337112
+200 IQ? Really? I took a test on freeiqs.com and I got a 489 IQ. Get on my level, plebeian.
+--- 15337135
+>>15337131
+Well yeah, I'm over 700 IQ confirmed in actual online IQ tests that required a $100 fee just to sign up. 
+I was just saying even low tier morons are at least 200 IQ around here.
+--- 15337341
+>>15337135
+My IQ... it's.... it's over 9000!
+--- 15337355
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Probably about 20-25% of us if I had to guess. As the classic saying goes, 4chan is where smart people go to act like retards, while reddit is where retards go to act like smart people. Granted, this place is also dripping with actual retards, but at least it's not reddit.
+--- 15337361
+>>15334379 (OP)
+134 and I'm still a retard.
+--- 15337364
+>>15336743
+I'm not the guy you responded to, but I actually took the test and it was pretty fun!
+
+Pleasantly surprised by my result, but do you know if this test is accurate?
+--- 15337366
+>>15337361
+Dunning Kruger in full force
+--- 15337452
+>>15334398
+>this board certainly will attract smarter people
+lmao no it wont
+--- 15337470
+I've tested 142 and 146 at mensa and a psychologist.
+--- 15337849
+>>15337364
+well, i cant really be sure if it is accurate unless you check if you get about the same results in other iq tests. try mensa's norway and denmark then compare, there is also CAIT, and fsiq by openpsychometrics
+in my case, it is pretty accurate as I got 135+ in all those tests
+--- 15337857
+I doubt this board is intelligent as they think they are.
+The highest i'd expect is 135
+--- 15337858
+>>15337849
+Yeah, I tend to average around 131 in most tests
+--- 15337872
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Quite a few. I don't know if the online tests are meaningful, but I took the mensa norway one a while ago and got high 120s, and I think I'm probably on the dimmer end of the range amongst people who regularly visit /sci/.
+--- 15337878
+I was certified to have a 160 IQ by the late Stephen Hawking. He administered the test and performed rigorous analysis on the results. It was actually determined that my answers surpassed the inherent IQ of the test design itself. I discovered a new and better way of answering every question.
+--- 15338114
+>>15336743
+Got the first 9 of 10 correct then got bored as I hit I don't know for the rest. Most online IQ tests (which are bullshit) say mine is between 135 and 145 but since I became a NEET I stopped challenging myself mentally and consume garbage content so now I'm retarded.
+--- 15338118
+>>15334382
+If you hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt by lunchtime?
+--- 15338234
+>>15334379 (OP)
+When I was a kid I was tested at 156. My life has been unremarkable. I had to drop out of college twice (family matters), and I've had a long series of white-collar jobs at which I've had moderate success. I'm not a scientist, I'm not an entrepreneur and I'm not rich. I guess I'm a textbook example of wasted potential.
+--- 15338239
+>>15337849
+>try mensa's norway and denmark then compare, there is also CAIT, and fsiq by openpsychometrics
+all garbage
+--- 15338251
+>>15338118
+i would have still been consumed by my hatred of jews
+--- 15338440
+>>15338118
+I didn't have breakfast yesterday, and I felt fine, as a typically don't eat breakfast and am used to that. However, hypothetically, if I was habitually eating breakfast, but, despite this, didn't have it that day, then all I can say is that the likelyhood of my feeling hungry by lunch time would have been greater, though my overall mood wouldn't have likely been affected much, considering breakfast makes me feel bloated and tired for hours and I prefer to have mid morning snacks.
+
+I wouldn't have responded this way had you asked in person or another context outside 4chan though.
+
+t. 130IQ
+--- 15338533
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Me and nobody else
+--- 15340137
+mi iq is smol like my benis luol
+--- 15340151
+>>15334398
+>130 has a rarity of 1 in 44
+I don't believe you. The public is a godforsaken cesspool of idiots, I'd wager this normalization is from 1950 and the corrections were done using college students. Not to mention demographic change.
+The average voter in the west nowadays has an IQ around 90, people above 110 are 1 in 20, 130 are 1 in 1000 and 150 are fuck if I know, 1 in 10000.
+I can't handle it anymore
+I would torture and kill counless politicians if that could give me not even a more intelligent society, but merely a society where the average person has average intelligence as measured on the scale you refer to.
+--- 15340346
+>>15338234
+Children's IQ tests have a handicap added to the score. You're nowhere near 156.
+--- 15340430
+Online IQ tests aren't accurate. Most of them don't even give any pretense of legitimacy. The ones from Mensa generally inflate your score by design. None of you would pay money just to confirm that you are an unremarlable midwit, you are more likely to pay for the real test if you mistakenly believe you have >130 IQ.
+--- 15341908
+>>15340151
+You underestimate the stupidity of the 100 iq
+--- 15341915
+the object pattern recognition tests are really boring
+--- 15342397
+did the wisc at 14, the wais at 18. got 129.
+performance on the timed half was like borderline intellectually disabled, but the other half was 140+.
+--- 15343342
+>>15334379 (OP)
+i'm 163 and high functioning aspergers
+a lot of you already know me by this post
+i hate it
+--- 15343655
+>>15334379 (OP)
+BUMP
+--- 15343665
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Taking the official test has been on my to-do-list for years. I'm probably a midwit.
+--- 15343669
+>>15343342
+Im sorry to hear that.
+--- 15343693
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Every test Ive taken puts me above 130. Ive only ever taken internet tests which are unreliable. People IRL tell me I'm smart. Ive met people smarter than myself
+
+>>15334398
+we are the 44
+--- 15343725
+>>15334379 (OP)
+One IQ test in middle school and two IQ test proxies as an adult all put my IQ in the high 130s. I don't go around telling people my IQ or try to win arguments with appeal to IQ, but it's nice when I have imposters syndrome to be able to use it to break some of those thoughts.
+--- 15343737
+>>15334479
+It doesn't take a three digit IQ to figure out how to hide threads.
+--- 15343859
+>>15336382
+Definition from the man who coined the term.
+>Individuals of above average intelligence, yet not too far from average. Essentially people smart enough to think about ideas, reason through them to some degree and feel confident, or more accurately, over confident and then cause damage.
+--- 15345558
+>>15343859
+It's me...
+--- 15345691
+I'd bet that most people citing their iq have never taken a real WAIS/WISC/SBV test
+--- 15345698
+>>15345691
+I was forced to take the Wechsler test with a psychologist (don't ask why). My full-scale iq was 126. I remember my verbal was ~135 and spatial was ~98.
+--- 15345702
+>>15345698
+What job do you have/are pursuing?
+--- 15345712
+>>15345702
+Unemployed and living with my mom, wasting my time on 4chan. I'm truly living the life.
+--- 15345717
+>>15345712
+Hope you get out soon, wordsmith
+--- 15345767
+>>15345691
+I scored 138 on the WAISIV when I was 10. My teacher was always impressed with my math and reading skills but didn’t really make a big deal out of it until she saw me reading A Moveable Feast. Her eyes lit up because apparently she was an English literature major and she started questioning me about the content of the book; whether I knew what it was about, the themes, etc. Next thing I knew I was giving readings of various college level texts in front of the school psychologist and he insisted I get tested. Mom didn’t see the big deal but for the remainder of elementary school instead of going to recess and playing with my friends I would spend it in the psychologists office with a few other teachers being limit tested with math, science, and literature. Felt like a freak. Still do.
+--- 15345800
+>>15345767
+>>15345698
+>>15343693
+At what point do you think a high iq person begins to feel deeply alienated by the average? 125, 130, 140?
+--- 15345811
+>>15334379 (OP)
+I'm a Mensa member with a registered IQ of 183 AMA
+--- 15345831
+>>15345811
+No, you're not
+--- 15345861
+>>15334379 (OP)
+IRL I have an IQ score which ranges from 135-145, from a range of tests I've taken online and in person. I would also like to point out I'm still a secondary school student. With this in mind, people tend to avoid me and think of me as a 'nerd' which is sort of true. I'm still supposed to be 2nd year GCSE however I'm still scoring 90-100% in A-level papers and come top of every class I take for GCSE with relative ease. E.g in my end-of-year exams I averaged 98% across all my classes while the year's average was around or below 50% which people find impressive and think I either cheated or spent all my free time studying, however, I rarely study, If I do, I spend 3-4 hours a day (depending on the day). So I've been told both that I'm gifted and that you don't magically gain a talent when you're born so idk what's up with me.
+--- 15345870
+>>15345831
+lmaooooooo yh everyone saying their IQ is like 80+ so just wanted to test the thread
+--- 15345911
+>>15345861
+You're going to want to fix that pretty quick. The sooner you study beyond your ability the easier higher achievement and income will be. Same goes for theory of mind and working out socialization. You do not want to be seen as "the alien" or other and you should devote quite some time to learning to manage people and perception. Just as a matter of making life easy.
+--- 15346221
+>>15345861
+Damn, I wish I was super smart in that way. We should genetically engineer people to have an iq of 300
+>and that you don't magically gain a talent when you're born
+I'm not sure why people think this when twin studies show iq/psychometric general intelligence (which is supposed to correlate somewhat highly with academics and things like that) is mostly heritable.
+--- 15346242
+>>15346221
+It's funny that you say that because genes from different parents must also pass on, for example, my Father is an Economist with an IQ sitting around the 130s and who is incredibly good at maths and part science. My mother, however, doesn't Enjoy science or maths, she's a photographer and is more of an English and art person. I do have a younger sister, and while my sister does average in maths and science, she excels in the arts and in English. What I'm trying to get at is that while my father and I are more academic and mathematical my sister and mother are the opposite, it could actually have to do with gender.
+--- 15346248
+>>15346242
+Not far off. I did hear that the amount of estrogen and testosterone you are exposed to in the womb tends to influence the way the brain develops.
+--- 15346254
+>>15334379 (OP)
+I used to be until they stole my brain.
+--- 15346263
+>>15346254
+Mom, the 4chan hacked my brain and stole all my iq points!
+--- 15346288
+>>15346242
+>it could actually have to do with gender.
+It could but you get the same proportion of genes from both parents; one of each pair of chromosomes and an X from mother and X or Y from father. But in the parents' gametes it's kind of like the genes from your grandparents are shuffled. I don't know exactly how the model for polygenic traits like that is supposed to work, though...
+--- 15346523
+My IQ is in the 160s. My digit span is 12-14 for forward, backward and reversed, my spatial span is 11 forward and 10 backward. I scored 152 on JCTI, 163 on see30, and many 160+ on IQexams.net. I got a perfect score on the old SAT too.
+--- 15346568
+>>15346523
+Scores from CAIT?
+--- 15346614
+>>15346568
+CAIT v2 scores:
+FSIQ: 162
+VCI: 146
+PRI: 162
+CPI: 146
+GAI: 160
+VSI: 159
+I see you know r/cT. CAIT and WAIS are shit, btw.
+--- 15346630
+>>15346614
+Why exactly?
+--- 15346636
+>>15346630
+Fast-paced and unreliable for the high range (130+).
+--- 15346683
+>>15346523
+What job do you have/are looking for?
+--- 15346700
+>>15346683
+I work in logistics as an engineer.
+--- 15346717
+>>15346700
+seems like a waste of potential
+--- 15346806
+>>15346717
+Well, we don't want everyone in engineering to be a midwit. Every field needs its geniuses.
+--- 15346825
+>>15346614
+will you pass on your genes?
+--- 15347335
+>>15345911
+>You do not want to be seen as "the alien" or other and you should devote quite some time to learning to manage people and perception.
+
+Don’t know what your iq is, but you know nothing about life. Hiding yourself aggravates feelings of alienation, feeds cultural anti-intellectualism, and also ensures that you’ll never find other like-minded people. Being yourself and succeeded despite this “handicap” is an incredible reward.
+--- 15347341
+Confused by all the iq scores being bandied about without context. Aren’t these tests completely unstandardized?
+--- 15347342
+>>15334398
+>and this board certainly will attract smarter people
+Nah, this board attracts retards who believe they're smart. Actual smart anons probably browse /out/ or /diy/.
+--- 15347361
+>>15340151
+Unfortunately iq is defined as having a standard deviation as 15. They don’t bother to measure std deviation or skew in distribution for Africans even though we know it’s smaller. IQ is a subpar tool for comparing populations
+--- 15347619
+>>15346717
+What do yo want me to do? It's just a job that I enjoy and pays my bills. Math and physics have already gone too far for their development to be beneficial to society, if that's what you mean. Besides, I don't care about society nor what it expects me to do.
+>>15346825
+No.
+--- 15347624
+Got tested two years ago. If I could figure out some way to reliably go to a job every day and do work instead of browsing the internet all day, I could probably have a pretty good life.
+--- 15347651
+>>15347335
+>>Advise anon work out socialization so he isn't alienated
+>Hiding yourself
+>>Point out you don't want to be othered
+>but you know nothing about life
+Well, my IQ is apparently far higher than yours as is my knowledge about life. I'm just going to hope, for your sake, you aren't this retarded and are simply trolling.
+--- 15347713
+>>15347624
+Bullshit
+If you're 150 you would have solved your problems by now.
+At 150 you can do university mathematics and barely sweat
+--- 15347721
+the bane of my existence is that my iq is unlimited. well not literally unlimited but I'm the smartest person I know at identifying correctly the big picture.
+
+the problem is that that makes me massively lazy; I know we will die a horrible death and we'll get nothing with us; I do the least effort possible.
+--- 15347763
+>>15347624
+I know that feel bro.
+
+>>15347713
+Knowing the solution to a problem and putting that solution into practice are two very different things.
+--- 15347770
+>>15347341
+They have different ranges but legit tests have their standard deviation published so they're easy to compare. And they all say that they're an approximation. Online tests are complete dog shit and anyone who takes those scores seriously has already shown themselves to be a midwit or worse.
+--- 15347796
+>>15347763
+>solution vs action
+What's causing your inaction
+--- 15347804
+>>15338234
+Kids develop at different rates. A high IQ in childhood simply means you're less retarded than your peers, maybe equivalent to a kid 2-3 years older.
+
+You still plateau out around the average of your parents, give or take the additive random error factor. Same goes for kids who fall behind initially, there are many who were stupid kids but then filled in their genetic potential in adolescence.
+--- 15347809
+>>15340151
+>I don't believe you
+It's literally that by definition you stupid fuck. If you scored 130, it means you're smarter than 43 out of 44 people. No more, no less. It's literally just a quirky way to say "2 standard deviations above the mean".
+--- 15347813
+>>15340430
+>confirm that you are an unremarlable midwit, you are more likely to pay for the real test if you mistakenly believe you have >130 IQ.
+But scoring 130-145 makes you an unremarkable midwit. Scoring below 130 makes you a mouthbreathing subhuman.
+--- 15347815
+>>15347809
+I doubt he's 130 bases on his post.
+You can always tell who the bad liars are. If you're going to bullshit at least get your facts straight.
+--- 15347817
+>>15347796
+Shitposting and video games are more fun than studying.
+--- 15347833
+>>15347817
+When you play vidya how do you rank?
+--- 15347845
+>>15347833
+I don't do any kind of ranked competitive if that's what you mean. I mostly play single player games, or co-op.
+--- 15347859
+>>15347845
+Yeah but do you play on hard.
+Are you top 1% at least in the vidya you play?
+--- 15347893
+I am. If anyone is 200+, it's me.
+--- 15347966
+>>15347859
+I like to play on the hardest difficulty but I doubt I'm in the top 1%.
+--- 15348110
+>>15347713
+After working at a job for a year, even the most simple tasks start to feel terrible and insurmountable. I'm the meme with the guy with scribbles in his head constantly thinking "I just need to go to work"
+
+go to work ==> go to work ==> go to work
+--- 15348160
+>>15348110
+Why not become a millionaire and retire and just concentrate on your hobbies?
+--- 15348172
+>>15347893
+How's the butt worms larper?
+--- 15348181
+>>15348172
+They're a lot better than you're going to end up.
+--- 15348187
+>>15334379 (OP)
+I took an online test and came out 162
+--- 15348190
+>>15348160
+how to do that while not having the executive function to even stay at a normal job for a year is beyond me. I have never had more than $20,000 in my bank account, and I'm almost 40 yrs old.
+
+The kind of thinking where you get up in the morning and partition your day into a bunch of time slots during which you will accomplish tasks, and then go and do those tasks, is beyond me.. I have never been able to follow through on plans I make for myself so I have become averse to even making plans.
+--- 15348249
+>>15334379 (OP)
+112 IQ overall
+with 132 verbal intelligence index 
+WAIS IV, did a test here from some reputedly accurate self done test
+I don't belong here but I find science interesting and the spaceflight general is really cool
+--- 15348251
+>>15348190
+>partition
+whenever i hear of someone having a high iq, i find it interesting to look at how they talk. Partition.
+>>15347619
+why not? thoughts on uncle ted?
+--- 15349333
+>>15334379 (OP)
+IQ is bullshit anyway because you can train and improve your pattern recognition. It's just midwit shit.
+--- 15349436
+>>15349333
+maybe you can improve your score on the iq test, but there is an innate intelligence factor that effects the ability to adapt to new mental situations. Any attempt to test it may be dismissed by saying that it is possible to practice it. This complaint is untrue because the iq test assumes that you have not taken it before
+--- 15349578
+>>15348190
+Ever heard of bitcoin? Last 10 years of shitcoins? I don't know, your IQ seems too high for the basic problems that you are going through. A person in that range should be able to learn just about anything. Plus if you have problems with executive function, you'd seek some intervention during which time you are making the most out of the skills you have learned. If you invested $1000 dollars in any shitcoin in the last 10 yrs you'd have at least $500k at your age and with your IQ very easily.
+--- 15349596
+>>15349578
+>in any shitcoin
+>in the last 10 years
+No. Only if you happened to invest in any given shitcoin before it went viral, and none of the ones that just went bust.
+
+The vast majority of crypto gamblers have lost money. It was true a decade ago and it remains true today. Just because YOU lucked out doesn't mean your decision was any better than anybody else's without the benefit of hindsight.
+--- 15349613
+>>15349596
+>The vast majority of crypto gamblers have lost money.
+In order for some to win, many more have to lose. 
+That is the nature of EVERYTHING.
+--- 15349640
+>>15349596
+You are forty so you've been earning money since bitcoin came out. If you heard of bitcoin but missed it, then you heard of litecoin, then doge, then eth, chainlink, etc and I'm assuming you were around when biz got started. Heck the last 3 years would have been heaven for someone who followed any crypto news prior to popularization of defi. You'd have made at least $100k even if you started in 2018 unless you had problems with impulsiveness. For a person in that IQ range, I'd have a hard time believing that you have been feeling bored and demoralized since you were 18 and has made no effort to change your circumstances. Your mind would be effortlessly coming up with potential solutions.
+--- 15349739
+>>15349640
+NTA. You clearly don't understand that there's no solution for "it isn't worth it". You're on the level of thinking intelligence means magic and magical self-editing brain manipulation.
+>>15348190
+It is entirely possible you have ADHD. >>15347624 The processing speed disparity with your other scores strongly suggest "inattentive" ADHD, rather than any hyperactivity or hyperactive presentation. ADD/inattentive is probably one of the least recognized diagnoses because of how it presents mostly as negative symptoms, such as being unable to self-motivate or being otherwise trapped in "profound boredom" or laziness.
+>>15348190
+Case in point. You're me without the self-motivation because your brain is broken. Odds are properly dosed stimulants would work like magic on you. Emphasis on "properly dosed", you definitely don't want to overdo it. You want enough such that your processing speed, and self motivation, ergo executive functioning, are equivalent to your overall ability. I've never read a more picture-perfect example of high-IQ inattentive ADHD.
+--- 15349789
+>>15349640
+>What do you mean you can't just magically predict financial markets it's easy look see I do it by hindsight after I already know how it turned out so you must be stupid haha aren't I clever
+Do us all a favor and try your bullshit in the stock market until you learn the hard way just how fucking stupid you are. Just remember I told you so. Not because I personally care, but because you're such an arrogant ignorant little shit I know that would make it burn all the worse when you learn the hard way.
+--- 15349808
+>>15349739
+Like I said add has a solution. There's no problem with getting medication for this. His problem seems less to do with boredom and more to do with money. So it feels like he's is afraid of quitting because of no money.
+--- 15349814
+>>15349789
+Lol go complain elsewhere retard. Imagine being butthurt that someone made more money than you when the knowledge to make it has been on biz for 9 years.
+--- 15349824
+>>15349739
+And at his IQ level, he should have already figured this out and tried for a solution.
+--- 15349825
+>>15347342
+No, 4chan is for faggots, it's not like any board seriously attracts any true smart achievers, only smarmy little fuckers. I seldom check for any good threads.
+--- 15349853
+>>15347624
+High IQ are drawn to the NEET lifestyle.
+--- 15349885
+>>15349808
+>Like I said add has a solution.
+It is entirely possible I am the first person to even point out the possibility he has ADHD. He may otherwise simply not have the relevant knowledge or interests to have figured that out himself.
+
+You've gone from a hindsight narrative gambler's fallacy to blaming someone for not medicating himself for a condition he may not even know he has.
+>>15349824
+>And at his IQ level, he should have already figured this out and tried for a solution.
+By implication that means you're admitting I'm smarter than the both of you. While trying to argue with me over whether or not your criticisms are valid.
+
+Guess how well that's going for you?
+--- 15349919
+>>15349885
+I made this post >>15349578 before you where I posit a solution for his problem with executive function. And I'm not blaming him, I'm taking his frustration, his age and his IQ range and trying to figure out how such a combination would struggle with anything financial over the last 10 yrs while on 4chan. I'm 30 years old and I already knew that I had an executive function problem at 10. It took me till I was 22 to actually tackle it after all the complaints at school and by my parents about being bright but slow. I figured this out on my own through a frustratingly painful trial and error regime of experimenting on different drugs. I don't even know my IQ, but I'd be willing to bet it's less than what this guy has posted (if that's really his IQ). I've not made any comments about your intelligence. You are actually now doing to me what you accuse me of doing to him. If anything, it's your ignorance about what it feels like to have some executive function disorder and how frustrating it can be that is blinding you to make such a comparison. It feels like an itch that you can never scratch till it finally hits you why it was an itch. The itch never goes away because of how it affects your life, so the inclination to understand it is constant. It's always at the back of your mind. And for a high IQ person, satiating your curiosity becomes a need that has to be met. Going till 40 with that unmet need still lingering in the background for a person in his range is very unrealistic.
+--- 15349958
+>>15349919
+Cool story bro.
+--- 15349979
+>>15334379 (OP)
+I can't use the IQ test because I think in color shifting patterns, they don't have a name for it yet.
+
+I can conceptualize and visual just fine, but I need to associate it with this miasma of shifting colors in my head space first.
+--- 15350598
+>>15349436
+But it doesn't matter whether you've practiced it or not. Someone with a higher IQ, practiced or not, is better at pattern recognition in a sense than someone lower. And no, it's been tested. The innate intelligence factor does not matter because anybody's brain can grow if pushed out of its comfort zone. "The ability to adapt to new mental situations" is a practiced skill like any other. Read about neuroplasticity.
+--- 15350600
+>>15334398
+I'm 141. I consider this board one of the worst on this site.
+--- 15350709
+>>15349853
+Exactly. Normal people are disgusted by NEETdom, because being completely self directed and driven by internal desires for creative achievement without external guidance or pressure is not something they can easily fathom. High IQ people on the other hand are far less in need of external validation, and realize how much you can get away with in these modern times of material abundance by ignoring social norms and actively taking advantage of what is merely there instead of playing 'by the rules'. They understand that they can live a lifestyle, right now, that would make most actual kings jealous.
+--- 15350713
+>>15349919
+> don't even know my IQ, but I'd be willing to bet it's less than what this guy has posted 
+
+We can tell. It is so obvious that you are an actual midwit, the way you are so confident that you were correct for gambling 'rightly' and that you believe happening to be successful in that case validates your strategy in hindsight, it all absolutely demonstrates your midwittery and unearned overconfidence.
+--- 15350717
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Drank my way down to 95, never felt better. WAGMI
+--- 15350721
+>>15349578
+>>15349640
+>>15349919
+
+I haven't ever invested any money in anything even though I heard about bitcoin in 2009 when it was still less than a dollar. I suppose I just never really believed I could beat the odds. I knew that losing money in the market would feel awful, and didn't want to be unreasonably obsessed and fearful and always worrying about an investment I didn't really trust myself to make.
+
+>>15349739
+>>15349808
+>>15349885
+
+It was in the process of getting evaluated for ADHD that I took the IQ test. I was diagnosed for all the reasons you mentioned, and I have been taking Adderall for the past couple years. 
+
+It has helped me focus, but hasn't helped me be able to get out of my car and go into work - and once sitting at my desk, to be able to open up outlook or word or excel and just do the work. The drug makes it easier to binge Wikipedia or Reddit or Twitter for hours without getting distracted as much... it makes me happy and satisfied and removes some of the motivating power of the knowledge that I am not doing what I should be doing. Also, it affects my judgement: the "wrong" decision doesn't feel as bad compared to the "right" decision as it usually does. This makes negotiating technical stuff and social stuff difficult, with tedious revisioning and rethinking until I'm sure I am on the right course.
+
+As far as I can tell, for me Adderall makes it not so terrible to be in a negative hedonic space. I can see how that would help some people get work done, as being productive involves being able to dip into that negative space throughout the work day. However, it also makes the gradient between the negative and positive hedonic space not so steep, an effect which actually decreases my motivation to take common sense actions which might result in my feeling better, and skews my thinking in ways that are hard to notice.
+
+Maybe there are other drugs which would work better for me.
+--- 15350729
+>>15350713
+I'm confident because I suffered for the knowledge. It seems like you are butthurt about that and calling me a midwit is somehow supposed to hurt me? Find a better hobby anon, or better yet try dedicating time to understand yourself, it will hurt less than seething at the success of online strangers.
+--- 15350738
+>>15350721
+Is there a reason why you earn so little? Did you go to university? Got any technical skills? Never bothered to learn? It seems to me like you have a fear of risk.
+--- 15350748
+>>15350738
+I got a BA in Music in 2007, taught high school math at a very small private school for a couple years, then worked at an antiques mall. Then, went back to school funded by my grandfather and got a BS in ME/Mechatronics in 2015. For the two years I was finishing up my degree I was able to work hard, and ended up graduating tied for top of my class (at a state university).
+
+I made $55k in 2016 at my first engineering job, and gradually became less and less functional there until I lost my job in 2021. I did do some good work in my first year which got me a raise to $80k. It was fall 2020 when I really stopped coming in at all to that job, at which point I stopped taking a salary (Although working salary, in engineering companies you still have to say which jobs you spent your hours on and I couldn't charge hours to jobs I wasn't working on, so I told them to pay me short in proportion to the days I worked.)
+
+I got my current job fall 2021 for a salary of 90k after being diagnosed with ADHD. It was last December that I fully disconnected and stopped being able to do real work. I haven't been entirely absent for the last four months, but I have been extremely spotty in attendance and have done hardly any work. Again, I am only asking for pay for the days I come in and do work, which is less than half of the time. I expect to be fired soon, and have no idea what I'll do for healthcare etc. after that - I have only a couple thousand dollars in the bank.
+--- 15350797
+>>15350748
+It's hard to tell what motivates you. Does the idea of having no money scare you? Or is it that you have to deal with people in a boring environment. Going by what you have written so far, it seems like you are genuinely worried about having no job despite not being motivated by it, so maybe the medication isn't working for you. What happened to your psychiatrist, have you relayed these concerns to them?
+--- 15350846
+>>15350748
+Did you try for graduate school? Neetbuxing? It seems like you have the ability to pursue your interests but get bogged down by some boredom factor that you can't seem to pin down. Have you tried quitting social media, diet changes? Living in the woods with minimal contact. Moved out of the country? If I were you I'd find a way to keep that job for another year and use the money to tryout all the things I've listed. That's basically how I did it. I tried out all the ideas that kept popping up in my head till something worked. You have to be comfortable with risk and failure. Or you could just wait till you hit rock bottom and see how creative you get, but that's something that I'd recommend to a younger person.
+--- 15351492
+>>15340151
+Retard
+--- 15351557
+>>15350721
+That is interesting. As you've guessed you probably want to experiment with some other drugs. It is entirely possible as well that maybe the stimulant class of ADHD treatment isn't the right treatment for you either. There are many nonstimulant drugs used as well if trying different stimulants does not work for you.
+--- 15351595
+>>15351557
+>>15350721
+Worth mentioning as well, now that I think about it, that to me you seem to be reporting a difference in levels of anxiety more than anything else. Being able to relax would change your thinking, of course, and I've seen more than one person think that being able to function in a more normal sense is "removing their edge".
+
+The thing about high IQ in particular is you've got to be cautious of cognitive justification traps. It's a lot easier to justify things, especially situations one becomes habituated to, and a lot harder for anyone else to convince you otherwise. I would guess that there are other reasons, entirely, for the lack of motivation other than the ADHD and something more a therapist would be better to deal with than drugs in that case.
+
+Contingent upon, of course, my series of assumptions being correct. Given there's little detail to go on that is a "big if", you understand. Even so the notion needs placing because you may need to consider such perspectives, and generate more of these better suited to your specific case. Otherwise you'll be chasing the wrong solution when the drug is actually working fine. Notwithstanding for people who have reported similar issues where adderall is not helping the motivation, people have reported doing better on concerta or similar nonstimulants. No way to know which hypothesis is the more correct without experimentation, and possibly a therapist, perhaps even one specializing in the unique problems people at the top end of IQ like us experience. If your ADHD has not inhibited your perspective taking you should know what I mean.
+--- 15351658
+>>15334379 (OP)
+got mine measured by Mensa to 135+, test didn't go higher and I scored 40/40
+I'm talking about a real test at their locale, not the public online tests
+--- 15351677
+>>15351658
+Was it a timed ravens matrix test?
+--- 15351784
+>>15351677
+yep, exactly right
+--- 15351861
+>>15334611
+Mine is on a number a normie like you cannot comprehend
+--- 15351880
+How "smooth" is IQ relative to how you experience living? I find it pretty hard to believe that my internal experience as a 140cel is as different from an average person as that of a 60chad. I aspire to somehow ascend to 200, where I'll become human 2.0, as different from a normie as a normie is to a rock.
+--- 15352223
+>>15350846
+At work right now sitting at my desk.
+
+I haven't seriously tried eliminating Internet use, moving somewhere else, living in a cabin in the woods, starting a mediation habit, starting a regular exercise habit, investigating my state through psychedelics, or going to church.. although I spend a lot of time imagining what I might be able to do and I've made some temporary stabs in a few of those directions. I have sought help from a hypnotherapist and from a counselor specializing in cognitive behavioral therapy. There have been lasting emotional benefits from therapy but not behavioral ones (aside from temporarily in the few days after a season) as far as I can see. Historically, I haven't stuck to a plan I've made to make changes in my habits for longer than 3 or 4 days.
+--- 15352229
+>>15351595
+I've also considered that what's going on is a problem that could be addressed through therapy rather than through stimulants. I don't know how to find a therapist who will pick apart the actual issue and confront me on the justifications/stories I've developed around it, rather than just applying the tenets of their particular specialty. You're right that it also could be addressed through other drugs - modafinil? Ritalin? Intuniv? My neuropsychologist who diagnosed my ADHD isn't my prescribing doctor - that's my GP who isn't a specialist and has voiced the opinion to me that he thinks all ADHD drugs work approximately the same.
+
+Anyway, it's hard to do anything about it when employed because I spend all day in a haze trying to be productive, or not letting myself do anything constructive or even have any fun while I'm not working, and the evenings decompressing from the day's consternation. And when unemployed I don't come into constant contact with my limitations and so feel good enough that my issues aren't easily accessible enough to know how well therapy is working.
+
+I know I'm talking and thinking in circles and not making progress. The mode of thought that causes my problems also keeps me loopy enough to not take consistent steps to fix them.
+--- 15352251
+>>15350846
+>>15351595
+
+Thanks also for listening to me and spending a few minutes of your day frankly talking about my shit, I hardly ever am able to have these conversations with people irl because of their emotional investment in my life. And not brave enough to reveal total dysfunction in public social media.
+
+I know I am shitting up this thread but it feels less terrible to shit up a board that's already pretty shitty, and good to get advice from people who have some idea what I am talking about.
+--- 15352255
+>>15352229
+I'd suggest to find a way to start experimenting with them while you are still employed and feeling the pressure. If you settle for your comfort zone you might never solve this problem. Plus the nice thing about this is that at your IQ, you'll notice the changes very fast. If telling the doctor that you think you might lose your job isn't enough to jolt him into action, I believe you can try for the black market. And it's essential that you at least try so that in the future, you don't suffer from regrets.
+--- 15352371
+>>15352229
+>>15352251
+Honestly my friend it is entirely possible to have depression on top of ADHD. You seem to have a kind of anxiety feedback loop paralyzing you and, yeah, you really could use a therapist. You're trapped in the adaptive behavior you developed, or so would seem to me, working around your ADHD or other problems.
+
+Without a therapist and professionals to help you figure that out it's impossible to know if it's made worse or not with adderall. My GUESS would be that adderall or medication isn't your problem anymore. You just habituated so strongly due to such a late life diagnosis you really need help disentangling it. Your current problems certainly won't help you relax of course. Kinda worried about you feeling so trapped in any event.
+
+Really the more you can contemplate and let yourself relax and view things more broadly, I think, the less you'll keep this problem. Kind of reads like you do have strong anxiety-driven patterns of behavior but that can only be a superficial observation because, well, internet. Please try to get some help with it and figure out what's really going on.
+--- 15352511
+>>15334379 (OP)
+Just barely, I think it was 137. Doesn't mean shit though. Might mean I learn things a little faster.
+--- 15354139
+>>15334901
+>self discipline is the gift of sub 80 IQs
+
+No, it's a skill. You're just fucking lazy. School was easy and you learnt to wing it. Now you can't discipline yourself and you fetishise your IQ as a coping mechanism.
+--- 15354338
+incel circlejerk itt
+--- 15354720
+>>15334479
+>then they leave after seeing the 12th thread on 0.999...
+Fucking kek!
+--- 15355112
+WAIS was 130, only real IQ test I've taken
+I do not consider one's ability to arrange children's blocks to be an accurate measure of intellectual capacity. IQ tests are garbage.
+--- 15355225
+>>15334398
+Stop lying, most of you guys are Pajeets.
+--- 15357822
+>arrogance, egoism and pride
+Why are /sci/entists like that?
+--- 15358825
+Do any of you have leaked wais or other pro tests, I want to test someone...
+--- 15359771
+>>15335031
+Could you (or any high iq anons) give an example conversation of you explaining a concept to a midwit and an example conversation of you explaining the same concept to another high iq person
+--- 15359982
+>>15359771
+>Could you (or any high iq anons) give an example conversation of you explaining a concept to a midwit and an example conversation of you explaining the same concept to another high iq person
+I don't mentally frame or treat people in derogatory ways like that, calling people "midwits", as if value is solely dependent on some individual personal metric I feel I'm "superior" in. It's more about being socially pragmatic. You don't want to come off like a jackass, and that does involve figuring out how receptive somebody is to more complicated ideas. Not just in general, but also situationally. Fuck that up badly enough and the "receiver" IQ is irrelevant because you're being a jackass whether you know it or not.
+
+In the neutral case, assuming a person has no relevant experience, in general a persons ability determines how many abstractions and how much jargon can be used with minimal additional definition. The better one is at this the more brief explanations can be.
+
+A practical example conversation, for an average person, might be trying to explain something about logic. The higher someone's SD from the norm the more likely the implications of some abstraction, like modus tollens, is to be understood. i.e. "if P, then Q. Not Q. Therefore, not P". No further examples or definitions may be necessary for correct understanding and application, though without rigor mistakes can still of course be made.
+
+For your average person in the neutral case, they may need several concrete examples or visual diagrams to better understand how generalizable the concept actually is and its limitations. It requires more training and leading examples to get "the big picture". In such a conversation, or if I were teaching a class, I would endeavor to use many disparate examples to hammer home how generalizable it is. The same goes for then demonstrating, by concrete example or visual example, where it would go wrong.
+
+In summary I just use more diagrams and examples.

sci/15334386.txt

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+-----
+--- 15334407
+ctmu
+--- 15334457
+>>15334407
+Looks interesting
+--- 15334481
+>>15334457
+it is very
+--- 15334931
+>>15334386 (OP)
+Does it have a future? How does it differ from Computer Science
+--- 15334935
+>>15334931
+There's no money in doing cybernetics if that's what you're asking. Cybernetics is incompatible with capitalism.
+--- 15334977
+>>15334931
+Computer science is about computers.
+Cybernetics is about amphetamines and schizophrenia
+--- 15335041
+>>15334977
+It's just a statement of fact. If people believe that all work must be profitable then unprofitable work like cybernetic research is not considered work. There is no money to be made in cybernetics because the theory itself leads to an obvious conclusion of utopian automation. This makes it clearly incompatible with profit motives because if most of the hard labor is done by robots then what use is money?
+--- 15335073
+>>15335041
+Still useful. Plus superneurons and diseases cured and mindware practictioner field and profession emerges
+--- 15335115
+>>15334977
+Ah so like astronomy vs astrology
+--- 15335577
+>>15335115
+Do you think astonomy is only just Surpassing astrology in earthnarrativeterms of propelling civilisation?
+Do astronomy advancement people get blessed by the gods andor whatever too?
+--- 15335580
+>>15335577
+>astonomy
+Astronomy*
+--- 15335586
+I thought cybernetics meant prosthetic limbs to be desu
+--- 15337524
+>>15334935
+Nice picrel. What is cybernetics?
+>>15334977
+What is cybernetics? What is computation?
+--- 15338581
+>>15334386 (OP)
+If cybernetics was taken seriously, we'd have had self-driving cars in the 1990s.
+--- 15339225
+don't even waste a second of your time trying to understand or learn cybernetics. it's literally nothing. just a bunch of nonsense babbling about adaptive systems and shit, it's an exercise in basic logic and english language if anything. it's not a science, nor it is remotely scientific and you don't actually do anything with it except for submiting papers where you talk about consequences.
+
+whereas if you study the more esoteric math, it'll still have some sense and rigor, cybernitcs is literally nothing, less that philosophy and gender studies even.
+
+>t. studied cybernetics.
+I wish I didn't waste my time with it and studied mech engineering or applied math or something that actually has a basis in reality at least.
+--- 15339229
+>>15335586
+that's the beauty of it, it is nothing and it can be anything you want it to be. it's literally a buzz word used by economists to appear smarter and more learned than they are in fact
+--- 15339738
+>>15339225
+You're retarded at a fundamental level, the thing with cybernetics is that it's ultimately just a explanation and a perspective on how intelligent systems organise themselves and while this in and of itself is completely inert although a very good intellectual exercise by itself if you keep the theory pure, the utility of cybernetics only comes into existence at the intersection with another field, for example this can be seen in neuron behavior at every level a prime example would be energy homeostasis refer to https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2019.00049/full
+--- 15339764
+>>15334386 (OP)
+3.14
+--- 15339987
+>>15339927
+Yes ctmu is just a boring extrapolation of the universe in cybernetic terms
+--- 15340296
+>>15339738
+its a bunch of nonsense. calling it a "way of thinking" gives that away. there's math, its application, mathematical modeling and that's about it.
+
+you could model anything as anything, calling it cybernetics and wishing away the math by drawing fancy art doesn't make it real.
+
+I've unfortuantely studied way too much of this babble to speak as an uninformed citizen.
+
+I'm saying this as an advice and a warning to all prospecting young students, don't waste your time it, just do math if you're into such wizardry
+--- 15340727
+>>15340296
+It's incredibly useful and relevant in the agricultural industry and in neuroscience both of which are my main hobbys and I find cybernetics being used in these fields hence my interest
+--- 15341627
+>>15340727
+interesting then. name one equation that you learned with "cybernetics" that might be useful.
+you cannot because such things don't exist, only fancy vague drawings.
+
+agriculture is a discipline in itself, so is neuroscience. if you want to test hypothesis you gather data and do some statistical tests on it, or maybe model it as differential equations. or as some form of algebra.
+
+math teaches all of that and cybernetics teaches none of that, only that systems are complex and adaptive
+--- 15341641
+>>15341627
+It seems you've mistaken the application of mathematics for the only tool of use to an educated person 
+
+One day you might see things differently but people like you are pointless to argue with
+--- 15341646
+>>15341641
+idk how pointless I am to argue with. I asked you for material, logical, cartesian or whatever knowledge you extracted from "cybernetics". I have studied it as my main subject in university and I am telling you I just wasted a bunch of time learning a bunch of nice sounding philosophy and rethoric.
+
+as part of the class we also dicked around with tableau and wolf/sheep population simulations but nothing too serious
+--- 15342273
+>>15337524
+bumped for this
+--- 15342292
+>>15340296
+I'm a person uninitiated to cybernetics. Is it all just a giant Fourier Transform?
+--- 15342308
+Does cybernetics have anything to say about the new wave of AI? I get that it isn't the most quantitative of discipline, but even something like heuristics for designing low-rank adaptations would already be of significant practical value (and probably theoretical value as well).
+--- 15342922
+>>15341627
+>>15341627
+>>15341641
+It's not so much mathematical equations but just the concepts behind it in feedback i'll give an example out of some gay document i had to write
+"In the context of REDACTED, the most optimal way to achieve sustainable intensification appears to be through the diligent monitoring and collection of data on all inputs and outputs within the agricultural system. This involves tracking various factors such as water usage, fertilizer application, crop yields, and livestock health, among others. By employing cybernetic principles, the farm is able to analyze this data and identify patterns or trends that may indicate areas for improvement or potential inefficiencies.
+Once this data has been collected and analyzed, the farm can then quantify the effects of any alterations made to these inputs on the end result outputs, such as crop yield or livestock productivity. This process of continuous monitoring, analysis, and adjustment is reminiscent of a cybernetic feedback loop, wherein the system constantly self-regulates and adapts based on the information it receives."
+As well as the study I posted early https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2019.00049/full which is about ATP/energy levels determining neuron behavior
+--- 15343882
+>>15342922
+yeah. and in real speak terms you're going to gather numerical data on those exogenous variables, do a regression analysis or what have you and determine the link between it and the endogenous variable aka crop out or whatever you're interested in.
+
+now you're doing statistics.
+
+>>15342292
+I didn't do anything of the sort while studying it, so idk. you may apply fourier transformations in a "cybernetic" way I guess
+--- 15344691
+>>15343882
+But that's what cybernetics is isn't it? Just a a series of feedback loops and corrections
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oad8Ro8j_fE&ab_channel=IndridCold [Embed]
+--- 15344789
+One time I farted and accidentally shit my pants on the bus. Now I use the feedback from the nerves in my anus to control the flow of gas and check for imminent stool.
+--- 15344979
+>>15334386 (OP)
+Cybernetics is self organizing systems. The old cybernetics is actually just neural networks. No one has formally proved it yet but it's hidden.
+--- 15345338
+>>15344789
+yeah bro you're doing advanced cybernetics
+--- 15346084
+>>15344789
+Source?
+--- 15346951
+>>15334386 (OP)
+No one has really given an adequate sense yet of what cybernetics is yet so I'll start. It came about during the 1940s when they shipped a bunch of academics to Mexico to help with the war effort. Norbert Wiener and Arturo Rosenbluth were interested in the prospect of their potentially being hidden areas of research and development because academics tend to get shoved into silos where they only focus on a limited area of study. So in Mexico, they ended up discussing what each other was doing and tried to understand each other’s subjects in that other persons own terms. They eventually found that quite a few disciplines had their own conceptions of control and communication, such that various disciplines used the ideas of control and communication in analogous ways yet operating over different domains of interpretation. Walter Pitts and Warren McCulloch noticed for example, that the all-or-nothing potential of neurons could be mapped onto Boolean values and created the first ever artificial neuron model. They also noted how the form of different biological systems could tell you about other parallel biological systems in the body.
+A lot of people here seem to have "done" it but don't "get" what it is trying to do. You do cybernetics when you try to find functional analogies across different disciplines. You could call it applied math, applied physics, applied philosophy. That's kind of reductive and misses the overarching point of what the subject is trying to do. You’re looking for functional analogies between disciplines, which tell you something about both. The issue currently with cybernetics at the moment (which people in the field acknowledge), is that people are fonder of talking about it and its applications rather than actually doing anything with it.
+--- 15347762
+>>15337524
+--- 15348264
+>>15339225
+>he didn't make it into RAND
+--- 15352486
+>>15344691
+see:
+>>15346951
+and:
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ6orMfmorg [Embed]
+>>15344691
+Paul's a pretty cool guy IMO.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCQWtTcCaRY [Embed]

sci/15335194.txt

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+-----
+--- 15335194
+Let's share our fail stories. Application, paper, grant rejections etc.
+
+I received so many rejections over the career, it's a chilling feeling. Now a prof, but struggling even more than I was a PhD student. Peers think you're worthless and should be kicked off, subordinates constantly fuck up things, bosses, especially financial managers, think you're not superstar enough and should fund yourself on your own.
+
+I currently got 40 Scopuses and that cost me about 100 rejections over the career. Academics are pretty disadvantaged unless they are superstars.
+
+Anyway, share your story.
+--- 15335249
+>>15335194 (OP)
+I'm probably too low in the ladder to share, but I recently left my master's program because in the beginning of this year our grant got rejected and so the head of the lab started working herself and us into the ground. The whole lab exists as her pursuit of the doctorate and finally getting somewhere with the project she's been pushing for about 10 years.
+I just realized that I don't want to work this hard for someone else's dream in my mid 20s when it's not even guaranteed that I'll be alive in the next year, so I put a pause to it. Almost all classes are done so I just need to find a new lab shitty lab and write a new easy thesis and get out for a while.
+The only problem is that I'm enjoying my 5/2 job in sales as a manager so much I kinda don't feel like doing that right now. 
+I'll get to it eventually I guess.
+As for the desire for the scientific pursuit, I'm actually getting much more progress on my pet projects now, since I don't really need lab equipment for it at this point.
+
+What's your specialty, BTW? Neurodegenerative disorders for me.
+
+You don't get to talk to professors here too often, so I'm interested to know more
+--- 15335269
+Applied AI, robotics and engineering
+
+In AI everything is now turning into a competition of superclusters
+--- 15335273
+>>15335194 (OP)
+>>15335269
+lol. you fell for the AI meme.
+there are many areas of AI that doesn't need more than a gaming PC to run and the experiments can be as short as a few hours for a training run. maybe try to switch to those.
+--- 15335278
+>>15335273
+Not as much as you think. I don't do that much AI, but it doesn't matter
+--- 15335813
+Kinda sad people would prefer to ramble about IQ for the 1000th time instead of talking about this topic
+You would think anonymous imageboard is the best place to bitch and moan and not try to assert that your intelectuall dick is longer
+--- 15335817
+>no scholarly content
+--- 15335819
+Imagine letting a brainlet review your paper that you yourself carefully crafted which might be quite complex for him to understand however he still thinks himself to be in authority to do so LMAO!
+--- 15335821
+>>15335819
+--- 15335829
+If you read the fine print, Clay's Millenium Prize rewards aren't for people who can solve the problems in the prize list. The money is only for people who can get the jews to publish their papers. One of those things is much harder than the other, I was surprised to learn.
+--- 15336880
+The review process is flawed in many regards. Corruption permeated all areas of academic science
+--- 15337789
+Ya'll bout success?
+--- 15337823
+This is why I'm going to work in industry
+--- 15338477
+Can't even get to rejection because I never have time to actually work on any of my shit.
+
+I got two papers and a diss out before getting a faculty job, and ever since then between class time, grading, and ENDLESS administrative makework and meetings I can't get a single, reliable block of time each week to build up the momentum I need to get any of my drafted papers finished or get any of my grant proposals completed.
+--- 15338779
+pump. great topic.
+I had my fair share of rejections and jealousy over the years. Had mental health issue during my MSc. Never been on any medication. Got used to everything. I am numb.
+--- 15339965
+>>15338779
+Same but I quit (>>15335249)
+Can you share how your career went in more detail?
+--- 15340045
+>>15335194 (OP)
+My advisor was Turkish. Ran a literal Gulen school in NC (teachers can't even speak English. it's a scam subsidized by the town). Most of his grad students are Turkish somehow. The way one of the Chinese grad students put it:
+>[Turkish student] goes to the mosque and prays with [advisor]. he will never treat you the way he treats him.
+Always shot down my papers, even the last one that my thesis was based on. I graduate. Turkish student I trained before leaving publishes paper with my data. Yay diversity amirite
+--- 15340047
+>>15338477
+Are you in Germany by any chance? I know their teaching load is insane, unless you're a superstar full prof at a top uni.
+--- 15340067
+>>15340045
+What field?
+--- 15340845
+>>15340047
+US - 4 preps, 4 labs, 3 department committee assignments, 2 committee chair assignments, 2 university liaison assignments, 1 student outreach program, and a partridge in a pear tree. I'm typing this reply in the... 60 seconds I have between students coming into my office for office hours and then I've got a lab and three committee meetings today, plus the ~100 something homework assignments in the To Do pile that I need to grade.
+
+If Germany's worse, I shudder to imagine it.
+--- 15341149
+>>15340845
+I have been thinking about moving to the US for a long time. I always thought that the teaching load there was lower than in Germany. In Germany, it's about 7 pure astronomic hours of classes per week, 16+16 weeks per year. This is only pure classes, not counting checking the homework, consultations, exams etc.
+--- 15341166
+>>15335194 (OP)
+I've applied to over 300 internships since starting university only got 1 interview which didn't go well.
+Doubt its going to be any better after I graduate.
+--- 15341274
+You have to publish shit and even grossly wrong stuff because it's only about the quantity of items that show up on a pubmed search. Producing stuff that is valuable is too risky and too much work, your doofus colleague will publish 10 shit papers with the same resources and beat you to the grant money. It's a race to the bottom that I am tired of but I have no transferable skills that could earn me similar money elsewhere and I have a family, and I don't want to start a private practice.
+--- 15341287
+Private practice ...
+
+I don't know how related it is, but I keep being told that I should make a startup and it will somehow get me shit tones of money unlike these stupid ass grants that are only handed out to super stars.
+
+But I simply fail to see what the reason is to create a startup without baked customers.
+
+In the end, I simply see no perspective of me ever getting satisfied with this kind of life work. It is a never ending frustration
+--- 15341339
+>>15341274
+Probably not exactly related to your post, but my thesis advisor recently rebuked me for my thesis topic not being original enough. Been lost since because I spent a lot of time in it
+--- 15341353
+>>15341339
+Isn't your thesis topic determined by your advisor?
+--- 15341357
+>>15341353
+Yes. But he thinks that my topic was too close to an existing one. So I'm now looking for a new one
+--- 15341381
+>>15341357
+The profs give too little fuck about the students. If anything, it's rather the PhDs. Profs think the latter can at least land them a couple of papers. It's all about the fucking papers. The more, the better. And, of course, external money. A prof must attract money, do teaching, publish, supervise, dance and walk on the ceiling
+--- 15341383
+couldnt even get to publishing a draft of my paper because i can't figure out one (1) problem in my simulation (tried posting online to ask for help (even here) but nothing came up)
+Guess I might never succeed
+--- 15341400
+>>15336880
+I hear they are pumping out 4000 papers on AI now.. A day, a day?!? I think they just read what they want to read and say to hell with everything else, understandable considering how boring it can all be
+--- 15341454
+>>15341383
+Post here
+--- 15341499
+>>15335194 (OP)
+Hey OP we have /scg/ too. Sad to hear about your troubles btw
+--- 15342127
+>>15341353
+Depends on the advisor. Mine essentially talked with me about some outstanding problems in the field and I basically ended up pulling threads until I found an even more interesting question that wasn't even on his radar.
+--- 15342382
+Just the sheer idea that profs gotta beg for money in industry is so flawed, I wonder who even came up with it
+--- 15345050
+>>15342382
+Interesting question
+Anyone know the history of this practice?
+I know peer review was introduced in the middle of the 20th century, but what about the grant system?
+--- 15345083
+>>15341166
+What field?
+--- 15345094
+>>15345050
+Peer review is flawed either.
+
+I think it'd be better to abolish traditional publishing altogether.
+
+Let the researchers simply post their findings in a completely open, freely accessible way on some platform, like Arxiv, with options to comment and discuss.
+--- 15345122
+>>15345094
+I'm afraid some gatekeeping is nessesary, at least in the matter of results.
+Check out the Alzheimer's scandal for reasons to restrict the ability to just post statistics without authorising them
+--- 15345135
+>>15345122
+We have the culture of posting the code and data on Github so that everyone can check. The data must be open.
+
+Some shithead reviewer whose only purpose is to put me down should be a defining factor in my career. But currently it is
+--- 15345272
+>>15345135
+With that attitude yes.
+Why don't you become that rewiewer instead?
+--- 15346195
+>>15345135
+>>15345272
+reviewers work for almost free so we must thanks them but occasionally I get some opportunistic reviewer who tell me to cite 3 or more of his papers.
+--- 15346486
+>>15346195
+This for instance
+--- 15346613
+accidently a WEED in college and am now a homeless drop out, what do?
+--- 15346938
+>>15335194 (OP)
+Just got rejected by my first REU today, let's see how many more I rack up.
+--- 15346957
+>>15340845
+Have you ever brought up this issue to your supervisors/coordinators/etc?
+--- 15346974
+>>15342382
+Well maybe those profs should just switch their research into something more economically/politically/socially interesting or at least convince them that it could be interesting.
+--- 15346975
+I finished my PhD 8 years ago, went to industry, and now I’m making the switch back to Academia after having gained some real world experience and saved up but. It’s tenure track but I have to teach a professional studies masters program. Most people who are qualified won’t stoop that low so it was pretty easy for me to get the job. Nice thing for me is I’m so equally jaded about both academia AND indiustry that now I know how to play both sides like fucking fiddles.
+--- 15346981
+>>15346975
+Why go for a job with less money and more hours?
+--- 15347069
+>>15346981
+It’s the opposite actually. Professional Studies programs are absolute cash cows
+--- 15347465
+>>15346981
+>>15347069
+my department was able to fund a fuckton of PhD students by running a MSc degree mill for a few years, kek
+non-tenured professors got paid 6 figure salary teaching part time while keeping full time jobs in industry.
+--- 15347470
+>>15347465
+In my country paid education programs are not economically justified
+--- 15347617
+>>15347465
+Yep that’s literally what we’ve got going on with our msc program Kek. Employers who hire these kids deserve what they get for only hiring based on resume buzzwords. The students deserve what they get for cheating the system with a glorified bootcamp. And I deserve the cushy high salary job
+--- 15347627
+I would agree, but teaching is hella boring and tedious.
+
+If I taught a course without 3 TAs, I'd literally die.
+Lecture scripts, seminars, homework assignments, grading, attendance tracking, other garbage. Doing this alone would cost me 100-130% FTE
+--- 15348204
+>>15347465
+That's cool, but how many hours do they have to work per week then?
+--- 15350346
+I went through a master's program that was blatantly sexist in favor of women where zero out of six of us finished on time (advertised as a 2yr program) because the professors were so hands-off
+One female professor asked me why I wasn't "as ambitious" as one of my female cohort members, in the same conversation where she told me I was a bad fit for the program and asked me what my backup plan was if I failed out because I was one of -seven- students who dropped the Chair's shitty statistics course
+found nothing post-grad of course other than a very short unpaid internship that went nowhere right before covid
+--- 15350355
+>>15346957
+Yes. Even our external review last year pointed out that our staff and faculty are ridiculously, *hilariously* overworked. But it's the same story at a lot of places right now.
+--- 15350975
+>>15347617
+why is it that that msc program can be of low quality? Doesn't the US have federal standards for a bachelor, a msc like in the EU?
+--- 15351203
+>>15350975
+Sort of but universities have been exploiting a very specific loophole. So for example with long established fields like math or physics it is very easy for accreditation agencies to evaluate if a program is rigorous or not. So the “cash cow” msc are in new (invented) fields like “data science” or “Africana studies” which do not have well established curriculums so universities can invent anything they want and still get accreditation.
+--- 15351370
+>>15351203
+ah makes sense, feels bad man
+--- 15351500
+>>15335194 (OP)
+>bottom of the class
+>a codemonkey for a few years
+>between jobs, spam resumes, not even reading the job descriptions, just the keywords
+>get hired by an r&d institute
+>3 years later a dozen of publications, due to the projects being funded as research (not that i contributed to any of them)
+>more than the actual phd candidates i'm working with
+>side gigs where i get paid basically just for existing, and putting my name on the grant applications
+pic unrelated
+--- 15351532
+>>15351500
+Glad for you
+--- 15351688
+>>15335829
+But... You're Jewish yourself, Mr. Tooker...
+--- 15351693
+>>15340045
+You reek of disgustingly hideous ESL aroma.
+--- 15352304
+>>15351532
+what i wanted to say is that the world is mad, it's all a lottery with additional steps, and under no circumstances should anons who're struggling tie up their self-worth to the external results, authorities and such. just do what you enjoy.
+--- 15353648
+>>15352304
+It's easy to say when you're on the top.
+--- 15353669
+>>15345135
+You clearly have no idea just how immense the tide of utter garbage trying to get published is.
+
+Schizo midwit ramblings aside, any and every index of publications would get drowned in SEO spam by pajeets and chinks, making it impossible to find new, relevant research. What you'd find is being forced to basically follow the same kind of model that people do with social media - follow key institutions and "influencers", rely on word of mouth marketing by them. Everyone not at MIT or whatever would simply get buried.
+--- 15353685
+>>15353677
+Can you please elaborate?
+I once had a collaborator from MIT and the guy (an assistant prof) was just excellent. I have personally been considering moving there if I landed an offer.
+--- 15353805
+>>15353677
+
+You're actually reinforcing this guy's point. A system without peer review over weights MIT just because it's MIT even more than it does now
+--- 15353815
+>>15353805
+This.
+--- 15354096
+Speaking of my experience, out of 40 papers of mine, maybe with about 3 or 4 I received reviews that actually did help better the manuscript and from which I could learn something. Everything else was pure garbage aimed at putting us down
+
+The worst was when one of the (chink) reviewers blatantly made a simple math mistake, got called out on it, the (chink) associate editor caught up with that stupid mistake, finally admitted it and still said we were just some nonames not worthy of this (comment) paper
+--- 15355743
+>>15354096
+>The worst was when one of the (chink) reviewers blatantly made a simple math mistake, got called out on it, the (chink) associate editor caught up with that stupid mistake, finally admitted it and still said we were just some nonames not worthy of this (comment) paper
+maybe you should stop submitting to shit venues.
+70% of my reviewers so far has been somewhat helpful, with 30% being super helpful and guide me toward improvement for my paper.
+--- 15355879
+>>15354096
+>40 papers
+doubt.jpg
+what field?
+--- 15355936
+yo check this out
+https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/news/viu-researchers-granted-more-than-500000-to-pursue-womens-health-study/
+--- 15355941
+>>15355936
+>Wood believes studies on women’s health tend to focus on reproduction, and this has led to gaps and inequities in care, so the team is investigating the history of pelvic conditions, including endometriosis, as well as feminist activism and health care surrounding these issues from the 1960s to the 2000s.
+>“Understanding the historical roots of gaps in care that continue to disproportionately affect women, non-binary, gender diverse individuals, and those with reproductive organs historically classified as female, is an important first step to ongoing efforts to improve pelvic health care in 21st-century Canada,” said Wood .
+Half a million dollars.
+--- 15356669
+>>15355743
+It was for an IF:11.5 journal
+--- 15356680
+>>15355879
+Hmm what is there to doubt? It's not many. I said about my field above
+--- 15356714
+>>15346613
+Stfu faggot.
+--- 15356731
+>>15335249
+>herself
+Whew... dodged a bullet here lad.
+--- 15357456
+So what to do in the end?
+--- 15357464
+>>15335194 (OP)
+Why don't you go to industry? You need to realize that academia is needlessly competitive and whatever it produces is mostly useless, even the research on the "superstar" level. Just get a normal job.
+--- 15357474
+>>15357464
+As if it were a cakewalk to land a decent industry job. I actually had less success applying for industry jobs than academia
+--- 15357477
+>>15335194 (OP)
+I have just given up on Academia. I have a really good h-index and about to get my PhD, but Academia is just so depressingly competitive, it destroys otherwise good men.
+
+I spoke to my adviser (a Nobel laureate) the other day about my future. I knew before he was still rediculously insecure for his position (he's still fucking worried about being percieved as "intelligent" after all this time, as if still in that gradeschool mindset). You know what he said to me? He said despite getting faculty relatively young and always at prestigious institutions he has felt like a loser for most of his life. This was the final straw for me. The fact is that it's true, academics are losers and beggars. I'm going industry and starting my own company ASAP. I will get rich enough to do research on whatever I want. Academia has nothing to offer us except slavery and insecurity.
+--- 15357485
+>>15357474
+Then take a non-decent job and work up from there, you spoiled pussy. It's amazing how working academia trains you to be lose your agency.
+--- 15357493
+>>15357477
+Already good h-index and didn't even finish the Phd yet. That's impressive, no joke
+--- 15357495
+>>15357477
+But your dream of starting a company and doing research on whatever is of course naive
+--- 15357512
+>>15357493
+I wrote a really good first author publication in my Masters that got over 200 citations. During my PhD I sacrificed my weekends and holidays with 2 good follow ups. So I ended up with 8 papers in total, and my h-index is basically mostly from the popular Masters work which is now 4, but will be 6 before I leave. My PhD papers are basically just self-citations except for my earlier r*view paper that has 40 citations. But anyway the later work is very popular at conferences so I'm optimistic it will grow as much as my Masters papers.
+
+>>15357495
+>But your dream of starting a company and doing research on whatever is of course naive
+Sorry, but it's not. In the first place my mentor did precisely this and I know many others who did the same. You basically just need enough revenue to get to ~20-40 employees and hire a manager so you can focus on research. My mentor was just a senior lecturer most of his life, now he employs 300 people and does whatever he wants. Another guy I know gave up a postdoc at MIT to do his own thing instead. Secondly, my Professor already said he is going to support me with his huge network as well as financially until we get runway from startup grants.
+
+I'm not one of those "I'm gonna build my product in my garage like Steve Job did in his 20s" startup scene type. I want to break into proper manufacturing chains and I have the products and the network to do it.
+
+I think that most people on /sci/ can absolutely do the same too when they think about it deeply, we just don't have the balls to do it. We have no real choice though, academia will only get more and more hostile to White men, our chances of ever getting faculty is 0%.
+--- 15357516
+>>15357512
+Is it by Scopus or GoogleScholar?
+--- 15357518
+>>15357512
+How much are the costs of starting such a company?
+--- 15357527
+>>15357512
+nigga, just go into industry, i bet when people will start to pay you for your product you will derive more meaning from it than academics get from their prestigious awards. If you have the ability you should go a do something useful for others.
+--- 15357531
+>>15357516
+GoogleScholar. Scopus is 160 cites for top paper, 35 for review, h-index 4 as these are all in fast indexed journals.
+
+I put Google on my CV btw, not Scopus. My adviser does the same, it's been normalised now.
+
+>>15357518
+0? 
+
+It's the same process as applying for a research grant, except you have more of a focus on a business plan and you're applying for startup grants (public), VC (private) and/or bank loans. My plan is actually public startup grants and loans, I don't want to deal with investor boards and my market isn't so big that I need massive growth.
+--- 15357535
+>>15357527
+>If you have the ability you should go a do something useful for others.
+Precisely. I want to make a difference in the world, and I don't see myself doing that within the confines of academic reearch communities.
+--- 15357537
+>>15335194 (OP)
+>Academic frustration
+reckon the most frustrating aspect about school is how it wasted 90%+ of your time during your peak years. And even worse when it costed thousands of dollars at the collegiate level to teach you very little practical knowledge. Degrees can be valuable but your actual time was totally fucking wasted
+--- 15357544
+>>15357531
+Well, ok I had on scopus right after the phd. my top paper has about 80 citations. i m definitely worse off, but not by far.
+
+Regarding startups, I was thinking of one, but from the statistics it follows that 99% fail. Folks rely on grants and then think they re gonna somehow magically find customers.
+that' s not how it works. Baked customers must exist in advance.
+--- 15357560
+>>15357537
+Not that simple
+--- 15357564
+>>15357544
+From my probes into postdoc opportunities I've realised that the actual content is far more advantageous than the metrics. Profs basically don't care about my M paper, but they gush over my (once) self-cited paper which is a breakthrough in this field which will probably take 2 more years before it even picks up. As for the almighty faculty it's purely political and basically the people who end up getting the positions make no sense to choose unless you are aware of the interests of every member of the hiring committee. 
+
+>Regarding startups, I was thinking of one,
+Just do it. Especially if you are on a postdoc or whatever your situation is. Do it while you have some fallback income.
+> but from the statistics it follows that 99% fail. 
+Because 99% of new business involve some foreigner building the fourth exotic food restaurant on the same city block. Of course they fail. Most of these people don't even have business plans or bothered to compute their cashflows.
+
+Failure is also not that big of a deal in STEM, you can always find a salaried job later.
+>Folks rely on grants and then think they re gonna somehow magically find customers. that' s not how it works. Baked customers must exist in advance
+I kind of disagree. A lot of companies do development for 5+ years before they ever sell a single product. Having customers is one thing, but if you're building new industries you have to create those customers anyway. If you're trying to steal a slice of a pie that some establidhed company has that's actually far harder.
+--- 15357578
+>>15357564
+I thought of many papers of mine as small-to-medscale breakthurs, as also confirmed by various peers and profs. None turned true. We tend to overestimate the significance of our work
+--- 15357584
+>>15357578
+Your research was useless worthless midwit, not everyone is like you
+--- 15357588
+>>15357584
+Sure thing. There is some minority of superstars.
+--- 15357599
+>>15357537
+The professional landscape is more complex than that. There are many losers in gradschools, but even more losers in industry who are stuck in low paid roles.
+
+I spent a year in industry as a process engineer after my bachelors then another two years in a prestigious private R&D lab (with physicists 
+chemists, mathematicians and engineers on my team so this path is applicable to everyone ITT) after my Masters. I genuinely see zero distinction between the work in industry and my PhD. It was the exact same kind of experiments/process line data --> modelling --> simulation --> optimisation work. A good gradschool project, even in a fundamental topic, is practical and the people in industry I meet all express interest in my PhD work. It's all very connected and probably not the worst way to build your career/wealth in your 20s. I actually made the most money during my Master (Consulting+TAship+studentship) btw. I made more than most of my friends who were full time engineers with 6+ years experience at this point. I'm now finishing my PhD at a national lab and I can at least feed my family and my wife doesn't have to work.
+
+There are definitely many scam gradschool positions (visa scam "Masters degrees", slave labour PhD stipends), but those people buying into it are just as unsuccessful in obtaining high paying industry positions and would be better off leaving STEM altogether. 
+
+>tl;dr: 
+Don't be scared of "wasting" your 20s in gradschool, be careful of wasting it in any shit position whether that be industry or academic.
+--- 15357602
+>>15357560
+I mean school is definitely useful in the early years - the most important things they ever teach are taught in elementary, and it is useful in promoting exercise and getting kids off their asses. Kids need all the exercise they can get. A lot of poor kids find value in the free meals they get and it keeps kids off the streets. It is generally, usually a safe space and kids can learn socialization there. It also keeps teen pregnancies (and the collective birth rate) down.
+
+But the massive time wasting at the high school and college level is unignorable. Not to mention the important things they COULD be teaching kids but choose not to. I dont want to get into it. If a teacher wanted to teach you something important they could teach it in a couple minutes tops, maybe 30 minutes for some difficult concepts. But they have to drag shit out for months/years to maintain a curriculum to sell to young adults, they have to waste time. The degrees can be valuable for some people sometimes.
+
+and I can only speak for the American public/private school system. There are frustrations at the doctorate level, and that really sucks, but I reckon its not nearly as shitty as the years of time wasting inherent in the system
+--- 15358444
+I once rejected a tenure because the teaching load would have been insane. It would have taken me about 130% FTE work to cover everything.
+--- 15358541
+>>15358444
+that sucks, did you waste a couple of years fighting for that tenure or they give that tenure right away?
+--- 15358582
+>>15358444
+this is surprising to me because my experience has been that tenured profs appear to live on easy street - contract faculty get lumped with the four 100+ student intro/general courses every semester and tenures just do their 2-3 upper levels or grad classes and put out a poster or a paper a year and frequently get excused from administrative shit like committee positions
+--- 15358599
+>>15358541
+Just applied, passed the interview, thought it through thoroughly and finally decided it wouldn't make me happy. Teaching sucks to be honest. It's a low-tier job among academics
+--- 15358623
+>>15358599
+sounds like a scam position desu. with that teaching load you wouldn't be able to do proper research and they can always fire you for that. you dodged the bullet.
+--- 15358633
+>>15358582
+I don't know. I currently teach 2 6 ECTS courses with 4 TAs each and it's debilitating during class terms.
+The other position would have been x5 of that teaching load and no TAs
+--- 15358645
+>>15358623
+Of course no research. That was more like a lecturer position
+--- 15359034
+>>15358599
+>Teaching sucks to be honest. It's a low-tier job among academics
+True, I like giving a conference talk way more than teaching.
+
+A Professorship is supposed to be this ultimate destination, but honestly a full time research position at a national lab or similar is far more satisfying.
+--- 15359070
+>>15359034
+There are few professor positions with little to no teaching. Like mine, for instance, but it's precarious and I feel like that guy's supervisor -- a loser looked down from by my starlike peers.

sci/15337076.txt

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+-----
+--- 15337076
+The US used to have many very hot summers, with the hottest being 1936. 
+There were many other extremely hot years which occurred at low CO2 levels.
+https://realclimatescience.com/erasing-americas-hot-past/
+Twenty years ago, NASA’s James Hansen was upset that the US was cooling – even as CO2 increased.
+>How can the absence of clear climate change in the United States be reconciled with continued reports of record global temperature?
+>in the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country
+So he decided to change the historical record to create a narrative more suitable to his political goals
+--- 15337084
+data before adjustment
+--- 15337085
+data after adjustment
+--- 15337094
+>>15337084
+saved
+--- 15337098
+>>15337094
+--- 15337102
+who else can you rely on for data though?
+i certainly don't have the capability to accurately measure the atmospheric temperatures for the past 100 years or whatever.
+how do you confirm the validity of data, and how do you standardize that data in accordance with how methods of measurement have changed?
+
+i would imagine that regardless of how the temperature of the planet is changing, if there was an objective or nearly objective record of that change, it would be hard to argue for anything but the truth.
+--- 15337106
+>>15337102
+>who else can you rely on for data though?
+Citizen scientists competing for the most accurate measurements
+
+Trusting non-replicable data sets under the circumstances for intolerably high degrees of moral hazard will go down as the 21st centuries version of the galileo affair
+--- 15337108
+>>15337102
+>if there was an objective or nearly objective record of that change, it would be hard to argue for anything but the truth.
+Get a load of this anon. Still believes the TV and the "government". kek
+--- 15337129
+>>15337102
+It's the same retards another anon already corrected about old data not correcting for known heat island effects and whatnot. Things you can examine, test, and account for.
+>>15337076 (OP)
+>I don't understand it therefore conspiracy and lies
+as if anyone falls for your bullshit
+--- 15337547
+>>15337076 (OP)
+man made
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl
+--- 15337885
+>>15337076 (OP)
+>>15337094
+Is there any other sources for this claim other than that blog ? I couldn't find any other information about it. I did find this page about the author of that blog though. He's clearly got an adgenda, posts under a pseudonym and is not a climatologist
+https://www.desmog.com/steven-goddard
+I couldn't find anything about the Hansen fellow corrupting data either, although he does sound like a lunatic due to his activism
+--- 15338177
+>>15337885
+>is not a climatologist
+only make him more trustworthy, climatologists are the ones with agendas, they're out of a job unless they say that the world is going to end in two weeks, ostracized via the peer review process.
+--- 15338223
+>>15338177
+>climatologists are the ones with agendas
+just like cops and foxnews
+--- 15338419
+>>15338223
+>foxnews
+their agenda isn't what you think it is. rupert murdoch is a business partner of george soros in a number of ventures, fox is a controlled opposition news outlet.
+--- 15338428
+>>15337076 (OP)
+Based Tony Heller enjoyer.
+Climatology is really a cargo cult/government propaganda.
+--- 15338446
+>>15338428
+Atmospheric science was a subset of physics until about 30 years ago. When they turned it into "climate science" and took it out from under he umbrella of physics, it lost all of its rigor and basis in mathematics. Kind of a shame too, if all those climate scientists were banging their heads against difficult physics like convection and other tough thermodynamics issue, some nice new analytical solutions might've eventually popped out. Unfortunately is all just a bunch of lame brained eco activists instead, what a gyp
+--- 15339631
+>>15337102
+The data is all sourced from NASA & NOAA
+--- 15339638
+>>15338419
+>fox is a controlled opposition news outlet.
+No shit. And Rupert the monkey boy is no longer in charge, it's his ultra-leftist son who has had gay sex with top Democrats, who controls Fox News now. 
+
+www.infowars.com for real news.
+--- 15339991
+>>15337885
+>>15337102
+Go through Berkley Earth's methodology, which was specifically organized to assess these adjustments and other claims by skeptics.
+https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/12/3469/2020/essd-12-3469-2020.html
+--- 15339995
+>>15339991
+>i started muh graph in the mini-ice age caused by the tambora eruption in order trick low iqs into taking one quick glance at the graph and presuming global warming is real
+why are climate hysterics all so dishonest? 
+lmao that this kind of lying routinely passes peer review, really shows how aggressively untrustworthy scientists are.
+--- 15340004
+>>15337076 (OP)
+The problem I have with all these arguments is it doesn't align with what's happening in the natural world.
+
+Basically all Climate Change Deniers have at their disposal is attacking data points because if they were forced to address real world changes happening in all disciplines they would immediately lose all their arguments. So they attack data points.
+
+Meanwhile:
+Fish are migrating
+https://e360.yale.edu/features/feeling-the-heat-warming-oceans-drive-fish-into-cooler-waters
+Fish, birds, insects, and even plants are migrating due to climate change
+https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210319125516.htm
+Adelie penguins, which are an arctic species are dying and being replaced by gentoo penguins, which are subarctic, because the sea ice they depend on is shrinking
+https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/19267/20160111/warmer-waters-cause-overlap-between-adelie-gentoo-penguins-antarctic.htm
+
+Because animals don't read charts. They simply react to changing climate. You can't trick nature by pretending climate change is a lie by posting misleading charts and misinformation.
+
+So keep posting bullshit. The whole scientific world knows climate change is happening. The only ones who don't are old irrelevant dinosaurs from the past who refuse to accept the changing science and people on the payroll of oil companies.
+--- 15340006
+>>15339995
+>I don't know anything about the subject so everyone else is wrong
+Do you have any specific arguments about methodology or are you just going to continue schizoposting?
+--- 15340205
+>>15338419
+>>15339638
+>t. massive tin foil hatters
+--- 15340260
+Climate scientists will tell you that the dust bowl era was fake, but they will also tell you that the dust bowl era proves that global warming is real.
+No matter what the context, they will always come up with a lie that "proves" global warming is real.
+They have to lie, because global warming is fake.
+--- 15340278
+>>15340260
+>claim without source
+>contradictory claim without source
+Okay chump.
+--- 15340279
+>>15340004
+Wow, so you mean animals can adapt to a changing world? You mean that animals haven't lived in the same place since the beginning of time? That they have always migrated and changed habitats?
+What a revelation.
+--- 15340371
+>>15340006
+That's TWO separate data sets combined. It literally says it at the bottom:
+>(& HadCRUT4.6 for 2001 - 2019)
+
+That would be like combining two different datasets from two separate clinical trials, both of which had widely different clinical parameters, and then saying "Yeah, this is bad!" 
+It's literally pseudoscience.
+--- 15340441
+>>15340279
+I'm still bewildered about mammoths living in the coldest parts of the planet during the ice age and then when it got hot, they decided to live in Africa & south Asia.
+--- 15340443
+>>15340371
+What's wrong with that? These (and several other) datasets are in good agreement when considered separately.
+--- 15340476
+>>15340443
+>temperature anomaly starts in the little ice age
+errry single time
+political activists posing as scientists are killing science
+--- 15340566
+>>15337108
+Except Marx percieved class as larger entities meaning poorfag trump support would be opposed to wealthier purple hair lady and bourgeois man alike. Just look at what Lenin did and advocated.
+--- 15340920
+>I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline.
+
+Prof. Phil Jones
+Climatic Research Unit
+--- 15340944
+>>15340476
+>errry single time
+No, not "erry single time". You just choose to plug your ears and go "la la la conspiracy muh feels doe"
+--- 15340949
+>>15340920
+>One particular email relates to the preparation of a figure for the WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate in 1999. This email referred to a “trick” of adding recent instrumental data to the end of temperature reconstructions that were based on proxy data. The requirement for the WMO Statement was for up-to-date evidence showing how temperatures may have changed over the last 1000 years. To produce temperature series that were completely up-to-date (i.e. through to 1999) it was necessary to combine the temperature reconstructions with the instrumental record, because the temperature reconstructions from proxy data ended many years earlier whereas the instrumental record is updated every month. The use of the word “trick” was not intended to imply any deception.
+>Phil Jones comments further: “One of the three temperature reconstructions was based entirely on a particular set of tree-ring data that shows a strong correlation with temperature from the 19th century through to the mid-20th century, but does not show a realistic trend of temperature after 1960. This is well known and is called the ‘decline’ or ‘divergence’. The use of the term ‘hiding the decline’ was in an email written in haste. CRU has not sought to hide the decline. Indeed, CRU has published a number of articles that both illustrate, and discuss the implications of, this recent tree-ring decline, including the article that is listed in the legend of the WMO Statement figure. It is because of this trend in these tree-ring data that we know does not represent temperature change that I only show this series up to 1960 in the WMO Statement.”
+--- 15340958
+>>15340949
+>One of the three temperature reconstructions was based entirely on a particular set of tree-ring data that shows a strong correlation with temperature from the 19th century through to the mid-20th century, but does not show a realistic trend of temperature after 1960. 
+lmaoooo
+
+>the tree ring data that appears to show warming is good and reliable data
+>the tree ring data that doesn't appear to show warming is bad and unreliable data, so we must replace this data with a different set of data
+that's how science works chud, you splice together different sets of data collected under different circumstances from different source with different methods to make something that fits your preconceived idea
+--- 15341063
+>>15337076 (OP)
+It was cooling up to that point.
+Now it's heating up very rapidly.
+
+Franz Josef Glacier is an amazing Glacier and I'm staggered at how fast it has receded since I was there.
+--- 15341074
+>>15337547
+/thread
+--- 15341106
+>>15340371
+They have equivalent resolutions what the fuck are you smoking?
+--- 15341112
+>>15341106
+The answer for what science denialists are smoking is always "their own farts".
+--- 15341251
+https://youtu.be/v2cRG7aaMD0 [Embed]
+--- 15341371
+>>15337085
+>after adjustment
+Is this how the "hockey stick" was engineered?
+--- 15341395
+>>15341371
+>All data adjustments are dishonest cuz conspiracy
+I don't suppose bothering to learn or look up any of the relevant papers and science involved is on the table for you?
+--- 15341406
+>>15341395
+Tried looking up anything even vaguely controversial lately? Google has become increasingly useless the last few years but it is truly useless on anything relating to climate, gender, Trump, etc.
+Yes, I know 4ch is not the most reliable site, but the sad reality is, few places are anymore.
+--- 15341537
+>>15341406
+>Tried looking up anything even vaguely controversial lately?
+Yes. This isn't one of them. This is not controversial nor is it hard to find. These changes were, largely, the result of accounting for urban heat island effects. OP and OP's retarded article avoid mentioning the obvious because they're not honest. As per usual.
+https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2012JD018509
+
+This took me all of five minutes to find. Probably because, unlike denialists, I am not completely clueless. Minimum temperatures for earlier reports were not adequately adjusted for urban heat island effects contemporary to their era, and unsurprisingly this results in erroneously reporting (as in 1999) higher minimum temperatures and an overall more similar appearance of US temperature.
+
+You'll also get denialists as usual going "muh conspiracy", which doesn't work even a little as without that adjustment it matches no other changes to global averages due to such errors. As per usual one has to allege global mass conspiracy of millions of related professionals in order to believe this is anything more than more science denying lies. The only confusing part in google searching may be some weird era of similar internet retards claiming the whole of the warming effect is due to uncorrected heat-islands, which is easily seen to not be the case and that myth mostly died out.
+--- 15341565
+>>15341537
+>>15341406
+In future if you genuinely are having difficulty finding something you can always look up the publication resource for some given set of data to find out the real reason. EVEN IF it WERE TRUE that something fishy is going on, in every single case you will find the work these idiots try to do (if any) never comes close or is relevant to discovering it.
+>Yes, I know 4ch is not the most reliable site, but the sad reality is, few places are anymore.
+Any time you see a boomer meme that is a clear sign they're full of shit. Honest people try to cite their sources, and give justification for why something is done or isn't. Dishonest people or lazy people just immediately go "muh conspiracy" and never, ever, properly cite their sources. Even when you find someone who is doing so, odds are they're very carefully cherrypicking from the available data or only posting what confirms their bias. Hence, again, the very low amount of, or entirely irrelevant, work done supposedly evidencing their narratives.
+
+So just from a single link alone explaining the actual reason for temperature adjustment, the whole case OP's link makes falls apart. It falls apart for far more reasons than that, such as its blatant misrepresentation of the multitude of DIFFERENT lines of evidence making it possible to reconstruct local regional temperature over time where direct data is poor or unavailable. Guess what the response to that is?
+>Muh conspiracy
+Never any real work, never any serious work, never any competent work, evidencing such a narrative. So yeah maybe don't be gullible enough to fall for boomer memes.
+--- 15341631
+>>15341565
+>Honest people try to cite their sources, and give justification for why something is done or isn't.
+source?
+--- 15341638
+>>15341631
+>and give justification
+--- 15343088
+>I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to "contain" the putative "MWP", even if we don't yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back
+
+Michael E. Mann
+--- 15343112
+>>15343088
+>Is it that I don't understand it?
+>No, that's impossible. It's clearly malicious conspiracy.
+--- 15343134
+>>15343088
+>he's still going on about Mann
+It's been 20 years and his results have been replicated multiple times
+The MWP has been known to be a regional event verified by regional proxies.
+--- 15343146
+>So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean -- but we'd still have to explain the land blip. I've chosen 0.15 here deliberately.
+
+Tom Wigley
+--- 15343148
+>>15343134
+No you don't get it inference and judgments given limited data are ALWAYS conspiracy and malicious when they don't affirm my bias!!
+
+What do you mean some assumptions are more reasonable than others given prior data? I don't know what induction is so it's clearly evil
+--- 15343163
+>>15343146
+>>So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean -- but we'd still have to explain the land blip. I've chosen 0.15 here deliberately.
+>>15343112
+>>Is it that I don't understand it?
+>>No, that's impossible. It's clearly malicious conspiracy.
+>>Phil, Here are some speculations on correcting SSTs to partly explain the 1940s warming blip. If you look at the attached plot you will see that the land also shows the 1940s blip (as I'm sure you know). So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean -- but we'd still have to explain the land blip. I've chosen 0.15 here deliberately. This still leaves an ocean blip, and i think one needs to have some form of ocean blip to explain the land blip (via either some common forcing, or ocean forcing land, or vice versa, or all of these). When you look at other blips, the land blips are 1.5 to 2 times (roughly) the ocean blips -- higher sensitivity plus thermal inertia effects. My 0.15 adjustment leaves things consistent with this, so you can see where I am coming from. Removing ENSO does not affect this. It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with "why the blip".
+>I don't understand discussions of data normalization or the importance of identifying inconsistencies therefore malice
+--- 15343186
+>If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone.
+
+Phil Jones
+--- 15343216
+>>15343186
+>Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden. I’ve discussed this with the main funder (US Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data
+Gee, wonder why someone would not want to release their own work and data against their will when their value is in having it in the first place. Not that I think such people should have their value based on that, but proprietary data exists everywhere.
+>All data people don't want to release is conspiracy
+You're so pathetic this is effortless.
+--- 15343234
+>I tried to imply in my e-mail, but will now say it directly, that although a direct carbon dioxide effect is still the best candidate to explain this effect, it is far from proven.
+
+Malcolm Hughes
+--- 15343248
+>>15343234
+>Doesn't know science doesn't prove things
+>people have reasonable doubts as to the independent strength of causation
+>clearly this means it's all made up
+Why the fuck do you /x/tards who hate science even come here?
+--- 15343252
+>but honestly know fuck-all about what 
+the >100 year variability was like with any certainty (i.e. we know with certainty that we know fuck-all).
+
+Edward Cook
+--- 15343268
+>>15343234
+All you can do is cherrypick and lie.
+>The difference between the Campito Mountain record and, for example, the one from the Polar Urals that you mention, is that there is no meaningful correlation between the Campito record and local temperature, whereas there is a strong correlation in the Polar Urals case. I give references to the work reporting this phenomenon at the end of this message, but I'm afraid I'm missing the references to the technical comments that are being responded to in the last two. If you examine my Fig 1 closely you will see that the Campito record and Keith's reconstruction from wood density are extraordinarily similar until 1850. After that they differ not only in the lack of long-term trend in Keith's record, but in every other respect - the decadal-scale correlation breaks down. I tried to imply in my e-mail, but will now say it directly, that although a direct carbon dioxide effect is still the best candidate to explain this effect, it is far from proven. In any case, the relevant point is that there is no meaningful correlation with local temperature. Not all high-elevation tree-ring records from the West that might reflect temperature show this upward trend. It is only clear in the driest parts (western) of the region (the Great Basin), above about 3150 meters elevation, in trees old enough (>~800 years) to have lost most of their bark - 'stripbark' trees. As luck would have it, these are precisely the trees that give the chance to build temperature records for most of the Holocene. I am confident that, before AD1850, they do contain a record of decadal-scale growth season temperature variability. I am equally confident that, after that date, they are recording something else. I'm split between Harvard Forest and UMASS these days, and my copy of your paper is not with me today. I'd be interested to know what the name of the site for the LaMarche central Colorado record was.
+--- 15343281
+>>15343252
+In 2003 Mr. Cook wrote concerning a paper,
+>After the meeting in Norway, where I presented the Esper stuff as described in the extended abstract I sent you, and hearing Bradley's follow-up talk on how everybody but him has fucked up in reconstructing past NH temperatures over the past 1000 years (this is a bit of an overstatement on my part I must admit, but his air of papal infallibility is really quite nauseating at times), I have come up with an idea that I want you to be involved in. Consider the tentative title:
+>"Northern Hemisphere Temperatures Over The Past Millennium: Where Are The Greatest Uncertainties?"
+Gee, who knew people in 2003 were still trying to find more and better answers to as yet unsolved or erroneously solved questions. Gee, who knew they'd proceed to solve them and in the way you don't like.
+
+Unlucky for you, I have these papers. You seem to only copy paste the cherrypicking trolls did to embarrass you idiots.
+--- 15343293
+>I was very disturbed by your recent letter, and your attempt to get others to endorse it. Not only do I disagree with the content of this letter, but I also believe that you have severely distorted the IPCC "view" when you say that "the latest IPCC assessment makes a convincing economic case for immediate control of emissions." In contrast to the one-sided opinion expressed in your letter, IPCC WGIII SAR and TP3 review the literature and the issues in a balanced way presenting arguments in support of both "immediate control" and the spectrum of more cost-effective options. It is not IPCC's role to make "convincing cases" for any particular policy option; nor does it. However, most IPCC readers would draw the conclusion that the balance of economic evidence favors the emissions trajectories given in the WRE paper. This is contrary to your statement.
+
+Tom Wigley
+--- 15343305
+Note how the denier is talking about out of context quotes and not engaging with evidence
+--- 15343309
+>>15343305
+What else is new lol
+--- 15343311
+>Keith didn't mention in his Science piece but both of us think that you're on very dodgy ground with this long-term decline in temperatures on the 1000 year timescale. What the real world has done over the last 6000 years and what it ought to have done given our understandding of Milankovic forcing are two very different things.
+
+Phil Jones
+--- 15343321
+>>15343293
+...And?
+Which is it? Wigley is being honest and the scientists are clearly as shown allowed dissent, and are fighting for more balanced reporting to not distort what they think they know, or they're dishonest and trying to hide their lies? You don't get it both ways.
+>>15343311
+...And?
+>>15343305
+>Note how the denier is talking about out of context quotes and not engaging with evidence
+Engaging with the evidence to repeatedly demonstrate you lot lying is somehow "not engaging with evidence". lol
+--- 15343347
+>I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards 'apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data' but in reality the situation is not quite so simple.
+
+Keith Briffa
+--- 15343361
+>>15343347
+And? Was it quite so simple in 2003? Is it far more certain and simple now? Now you're just reduced to contradicting yourself from earlier, and presenting the scientists as being honest about the limitations. Yet entirely dishonest in supposing that is true then as now with no change.
+>engage with the evidence
+>N-NOOO NOT THAT WAY basedjack.jpg
+--- 15343381
+the environmental movement that started with the 1960s hippies has always been a disconnected from reality fashion statement for wealthy & upper middle class urbanites who have nothing else to offer to justify their existence and who feel some level of guilt over their unearned position in society. why can't rich kids just be happy passing the time playing tennis & croquet like they did in the old days? if they would go back to being christians then they could just thank god for being born rich once a week on sunday and live the rest of their lives carefree.
+--- 15343387
+>"Wang had a co-worker in Britain. In Britain, the Freedom of Information Act requires that data from publicly-funded research be made available. I was able to get the data by requiring Wang’s co-worker to release it, under British law. It was only then that I was able to confirm that Wang had committed fraud."
+
+Tom Wigley
+--- 15343491
+>>15337076 (OP)
+Is this really the new shill narrative? Its basically like saying, "yeah, the global temperature is climbing faster than at any point in Earth's history, but maybe its climbing slightly slower than we thought" while not understanding why adjustments were made and ignoring that America's climate is not the global climate.
+--- 15343495
+>I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !
+
+Phil Jones
+--- 15343514
+>>15343491
+Definitely not "new". The trolls/ideologues pushing it have been called and corrected on it repeatedly. As usual, they're immune to accepting correction and can only do more cherrypicked lying. Your usual flat earther types.
+--- 15343519
+>>15343491
+>the global temperature is climbing faster than at any point in Earth's history
+it isn't, the weather is the same now as it was in the 1990s
+--- 15343523
+>>15343519
+>it isn't, the weather is the same now as it was in the 1990s
+Source: your ass.
+--- 15343526
+>>15343514
+The last one I remember is "CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas" which was really absurd because you can do cheap experiments in your home to prove that it is.
+--- 15343532
+>>15343526
+Oh no they still push that BS too. Like all dishonest types they'll pick and choose whichever lie is convenient in the moment with no ability to admit the contradictions involved. It's less about truth and exclusively about feeling special and avoiding the horrible realization they're not.
+--- 15343535
+>>15343519
+Nonsense, Zoomer. Anyone whose been alive since then can see the changes to the local and global weather patterns.
+--- 15343544
+>If FOIA does ever get used by anyone, there is also IPR to consider as well. Data is covered by all the agreements we sign with people, so I will be hiding behind them.
+
+Phil Jones
+--- 15343549
+>>15343532
+>It's less about truth and exclusively about feeling special and avoiding the horrible realization they're not.
+Maybe, but I'm not sure how they can compartmentalize all the evidence they're presented with. Dunning-Kruger effect might explain part of it.
+--- 15343559
+>>15343549
+My explanation is exactly how/why they compartmentalize like that. The worst offenders would definitely involve clinical narcissism I'm pretty sure, given the level of manipulation and delusion required to maintain that degree of inconsistency. That is very different from people who just don't get it at all, because in those cases they're just unable to compartmentalize or deal with the conflicts except to fall back on their assumptions or faith in a more honest way.
+
+A good comparison might be dishonest people like Kent Hovind versus your average young earth creationist who is just going to admit they can't explain contradictions but fall back on their faith instead. One is a narcissist (kent), the other is just stuck.
+--- 15343561
+>>15339991
+>global 
+Using data from concrete cities that experience the heat island effect is not a good snapshot of reality
+--- 15343562
+>PS I'm getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data. Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act !
+
+Phil Jones
+--- 15343575
+>>15343561
+Rural measuring stations show the same trend.
+--- 15343602
+>>15343559
+I don't think its that simple. Often times they have to invent global conspiracies to justify why they're rejecting evidence. That's beyond wanting to feel special, its a symptom of major mental illness. I feel like most of these people know they're wrong and keep doing it because they're trolling or benefit in some way (most likely financially) from climate change denial.
+--- 15343619
+>The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn't statistically significant.
+
+Phil Jones
+--- 15343622
+>>15343602
+Where it would be genuine schizophrenia you'd have other symptoms and other things going on. Of course such conspiracies absolutely do attract more schizophrenics than normal, by far, but they're not actually the majority or even the most significant minority.
+--- 15343659
+>>15343622
+That why it seems willful to me. Maybe they are just in a state of hardcore denial, but I think its more that they don't care either because they're trolling or benefit from inaction.
+--- 15343664
+>As you know, I'm not political. If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen, so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences.
+
+Phil Jones
+--- 15343695
+>>15343659
+>That why it seems willful to me
+I think in cases where it seems willful that is when you are definitely dealing with narcissism. Excepting the second example outlined where it's some matter of "contingent necessity" and rejecting the necessary conclusion would require that person rebuild their idea of the world ground-up.
+... Granted that's also why narcissism is pretty fucking incurable too but I've met people who've changed their minds ground-up and never heard of a narcissist being successfully cured. No clue if that's possible.
+--- 15343709
+>>15343519
+Go back even further. 
+The climate of California is the same as it was in the 1850s when the Donner party got stuck in a terrible snowstorm. 
+Just like the "crazy" snowstorms of 2022-2023.
+--- 15344146
+>>15343709
+The "climate scientists" also want to ignore all previous data of human record, for example all the years where historians documented rivers that dried up, extreme rainfall, floods, hurricanes, freezing winters that lasted into spring and summer and caused famines, etc. 
+They don't care about anything as long as the "warning trend" is unique, even though we had incredibly warm periods in the recent past that are much warmer than what we're experiencing today. The 1930s were warmed than any recent decade, but "climate scientists" would have you believe otherwise. 
+
+Basically, all "climate science" is completely worthless because we still don't understand how Ice Ages form (or what could prevent them from forming). An Ice Age (which we're still in, btw) is much more detrimental to humanity than any warming.
+At the end of previous Ice Ages, palm trees and tropical plants extended all the way to the poles, and the biodiversity of the planet increase a ton as the planet was warmer, and thus more food was produced. 
+Any politician crying about "global warming" is a scam artist; any climate scientist doing the same is only interested in keeping their funding. They don't give a shit about anyone as long as it continues to enrich themselves.
+--- 15344220
+>>15343561
+What was that?
+--- 15344224
+>Just updated my global temperature trend graphic for a public talk and noted that the level has really been quite stable since 2000 or so and 2008 doesn't look too hot. Anticipating the sceptics latching on to this soon, if they haven't done already
+>Be awkward if we went through a early 1940s type swing!
+
+Mick Kelly
+--- 15344227
+>>15344146
+They do, the thing is these are relevant to the regions in question. Not global climate
+--- 15344238
+>>15344224
+>If I put the trend here it’s not warming 
+Really? This shit again?
+--- 15344241
+>I hope you're not right about the lack of warming lasting till about 2020. I'd rather hoped to see the earlier Met Office press release with Doug's paper that said something like - half the years to 2014 would exceed the warmest year currently on record, 1998!
+
+Phil Jones
+--- 15344253
+>>15344220
+nice science denialism /b/ro
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_heat_island
+notice on the graph that its only the low temperatures which show a warming trend
+--- 15344259
+>>15344253
+Yeah it’s a well known effect that’s accounted for in temperature records. Claiming that rapid warming is all due to island heating is retarded.
+--- 15344290
+>>15344253
+>he thinks daily high temperatures in the US somehow prove rural stations don't report nearly identical warming trends as stations in cities despite having the graph presented to him
+>he thinks weather is climate
+>he thinks the US is the world
+Did our educational system fail you, or did you fail the system?
+--- 15344379
+>The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
+
+Kevin Trenberth
+--- 15344806
+>>15344146
+It's really funny to me that Central European newspapers were printing articles about how riverbeds showing drought marker stones from the middle ages "proved an unprecedented climate change" was happening. Yeah seeing that it has happened before multiple times proves it hasn't happened before. This is the absolute intelligence level of climate cultists.
+--- 15344876
+>>15344806
+>A thing with multiple causes before humans were dumping gas into the atmosphere had the same result as before
+>Therefore the result occurring now isn't related to humans dumping gasses into the atmosphere
+Stellar logic. P therefore Q, Q therefore P. Wait a minute, that's retarded.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
+--- 15344880
+>>15344876
+>wikipedia
+What other references do you got? CNN or NPR?
+--- 15344883
+>>15344880
+>genetic fallacy
+Well you're on a roll how many in a row you gonna do?
+--- 15344930
+>>15344806
+You'll never get an honest exchange out of climate alarmists. By default they lie, deceive and manipulate. They are so far entrenched in their own lies that the only thing that matters is keeping the lie going so their careers aren't affected. Its never been about the truth.
+--- 15344938
+>>15344930
+I bet you're also religious you nazi fuck.
+--- 15345017
+>>15343535
+Nonsense, millennial faggot. The earth predates 1980. Just because you grew up during a cold period doesn't mean global warming is real. Talk to your grandparents.
+--- 15345027
+>>15344930
+--- 15345037
+>>15344938
+i can tell that you're experiencing emotional distress by your us of profanity. why don't you take a break from the board to calm down so you can discuss science with us on a strictly rational basis when you return?
+--- 15345076
+>>15344259
+If it is "accounted for" then why do people keep finding hundreds of stations that report temperatures far higher than other nearby stations, and then discover they are placed in areas that maximize the distortion from the urban heat island effect?
+--- 15345629
+>>15345076
+Because global warming is fraud perpetrated by political activists posing as scientists
+--- 15345665
+>>15340006
+Why do they call it medieval warm period if there is no noticable increase in warmth shown in your graph?
+--- 15345708
+>>15345665
+Because of local weather events in Europe during that time
+--- 15345709
+>>15345076
+See
+>>15344220
+--- 15345710
+>>15345017
+>imagine being this retarded
+They say it used to snow in the winter and they miss that.
+--- 15345716
+>>15345710
+Now actually go talk to them. My grandparents didn't see a white Christmas until they were 12/14 My parents never had a year without a white Christmas until the 90s. Just because weather cycles are longer than your age doesn't mean they don't exist.
+>>15345709
+That does not answer my question.
+--- 15345743
+>>15345076
+It's not only that, most of these stations/censors are made from metal, which heat up under direct sunlight.
+Imagine if all the temperature readings were done in the shade, or in areas with more wind to carry away the excess heat from the electronic systems.
+The entire "industry" (more like a con) is a scam to increase their grants at the expense of taxpayers.
+If they really cared about science, they would employ way more volunteers who could submit temperature readings as a hobbyist thing, and have guidelines as to how people could help out (don't place censors in direct sunlight, have some shade but not full shade, etc.)
+But, they want all the money for themselves, so they have no interest in getting help from volunteers.
+When is the last time you saw one of these climate activists outside picking up trash on the side of the road? How often do you see climate activists walking everywhere instead of driving in a car?
+--- 15345756
+>>15345716
+You are pulling so much shit out of your ass that your hand must be completely brown at this point
+--- 15345760
+>>15345716
+>That does not answer my question.
+That graph shows that the stations in the middle of fields closely agree with those "in areas that maximize the distortion from the urban heat island effect". You should probably be ashamed that you couldn't interpret that graph.
+--- 15345773
+>>15345760
+No it doesn't, that is cherry picked and "adjusted" data. The entire point of the "adjusting" process is to make the data fit the narrative. Look at the raw data from the stations.
+--- 15345791
+>>15345773
+The burden of proof is on you, my guy. Post the data instead of making baseless assertions.
+--- 15345825
+>>15345791
+The data is the hadcrut4 data set, numbnuts.
+
+In probably the worst systematic error, the past is rewritten in an attempt to correct for site moves. While some corrections are necessary, these adjustments are brutally sweeping. Thermometers do need to move, but corrections don’t have to treat old sites as if they were always surrounded by concrete and bricks.
+
+New original sites are usually placed in good open sites. As the site “ages” buildings and roads appear nearby, and sometimes air conditioners, all artificially warming the site. So a replacement thermometer is opened in an open location nearby. Usually each separate national meteorology centre compares both sites for a while and figures out the temperature difference between them. Then they adjust the readings from the old locations down to match the new ones. The problem is that the algorithms also slice right back through the decades cooling all the older original readings – even readings that were probably taken when the site was just a paddock. In this way the historic past is rewritten to be colder than it really was, making recent warming look faster than it really was. Thousands of men and women trudged through snow, rain and mud to take temperatures that a computer “corrected” a century later.
+
+We’ve seen the effect of site moves in Australia in Canberra, Bourke, Melbourne and Sydney. After being hammered in the Australian press (thanks to Graham Lloyd), the BOM finally named a “site move” as the major reason that a cooling trend had been adjusted to a warming one. In Australia adjustments to data increase the trend by as much as 40%.
+--- 15345829
+>>15345791
+>>15345825
+
+In theory, a thermometer in a paddock in 1860 should be comparable to a thermometer in a paddock in 1980. But the experts deem the older one must be reading too high because someone may have built a concrete tarmac next to it forty or eighty years later. This systematic error, just by itself, creates a warming trend from nothing, step-change by step-change.
+
+Worse, the adjustments are cumulative. The oldest data may be reduced with every step correction for site moves. Ken Stewart found some adjustments to old historic data in Australia wipe as much as 2C off the earliest temperatures. We’ve only had “theoretically” 0.9C of warming this century.
+--- 15345865
+>>15345825
+>>15345829
+I really don't care about you blog post and there's nothing wrong with the hadcrut4 dataset. Unless you can demonstrate your claim by showing these discrepancies in the data you are just speaking out of your ass. I'll wait for you to post that study that cherry picks fewer than 500 stations.
+--- 15345875
+>>15345865
+>oy vey only 1/4 of the stations have obviously incorrect or falsified data the just co-incidentally is responsible for over half of the supposed warming we claim has occurred!
+>this clearly means it is very reliable and we should not correct the data at all, since it would then show that our climate models were built to match incorrect temperature records, and so are objectively wrong!
+--- 15345907
+>>15345875
+So you have no argument except that cherry picked study written up by a man who receives funding from people who want to discredit climate science. Color me surprised.
+--- 15345912
+>>15345907
+So you have no argument except "I don't like facts they cause me cognitive dissonance".
+--- 15345957
+>>15345912
+Lol, the irony. Next time don't bring up a study written by a known shill that has been refuted countless times. It just makes you look ignorant and stupid.
+--- 15345998
+>But Keith does seem to have got himself into a mess.
+>how does Keith explain the McIntyre plot that compares Yamal-12 with Yamal-all? And how does he explain the apparent "selection" of the less well-replicated chronology rather that the later (better replicated) chronology?
+>I think Keith needs to be very, very careful in how he handles this.
+
+Tom Wigley
+--- 15346016
+>>15345957
+>don't bring up facts that show I am wrong because it hurts my feelings and I have no way to defend my pet scam that I am emotionally invested in
+--- 15346028
+>>15346016
+Cope harder
+--- 15346044
+>>15346028
+He says, while presenting absolutely nothing to support his lie.
+--- 15346047
+>There's other criticisms that have come up by McIntyre's group:
+>(1) We cherry-picked the tree-ring series in Eurasia. Apparently this is old ground, but do we need to address why we chose the Yamal record over the Polar Urals?
+
+Darrell Kaufman
+--- 15346052
+>>15346044
+See
+>>15344220
+
+Now its your turn.
+--- 15346056
+>The Korttajarvi record was oriented in the reconstruction in the way that McIntyre said. I took a look at the original reference - the temperature proxy we looked at is x-ray density, which the author interprets to be inversely related to temperature. We had higher values as warmer in the reconstruction, so it looks to me like we got it wrong
+
+Nick McKay
+--- 15346093
+>>15346052
+Yes, that's the manipulated data in question. Now would you like to present an argument for why that manipulation is not a problem?
+--- 15346099
+>You are the co-worker, so you must have done something like provide Keenan with the DOE report that shows that there are no station records for 49 of the 84 stations.
+>The next puzzle is why Wei-Chyung didn't make the hard copy information available. Either it does not exist, or he thought it was too much trouble to access and copy. My guess is that it does not exist
+>It also seems to me that the University at Albany has screwed up. To accept a complaint from Keenan and not refer directly to the complaint and the complainant in its report really is asking for trouble.
+>I *am* concerned because all this happened under my watch as Director of CRU and, although this is unlikely, the buck eventually should stop with me.
+
+Tom Wigley
+--- 15346109
+>>15337129
+Go back to preddit you ignorant moron. This place is for educated minds, not cultists trash like you.
+--- 15346114
+>>15346093
+The burden of proof is on you. Its not sufficient to merely claim the data is manipulated.
+--- 15346120
+>If the RMS is going to require authors to make ALL data available - raw data PLUS results from all intermediate calculations - I will not submit any further papers to RMS journals.
+
+Ben Santer
+--- 15346122
+>I'm having a dispute with the new editor of Weather. I've complained about him to the RMS Chief Exec. If I don't get him to back down, I won't be sending any more papers to any RMS journals and I'll be resigning from the RMS.
+
+Phil Jones
+--- 15346139
+>>15345756
+You climate woke cultist are all the same, no arguments at all, only lies and insults come from you. Since you don't have any evidence to back your absurd claims you use the government to persecute anybody who shows and speaks the truth.
+--- 15346143
+>>15346139
+>you don't have any evidence
+Lol, anecdotes aren't scientific evidence, retard.
+--- 15346146
+>>15346114
+The burden of proof has been met, they clearly tell you the data has been manipulated, you just don't bother to read the documentation accompanying the datasets you also don't bother to read. As long as magic space nigger says climate crisis, that's all that matters to you.
+--- 15346147
+>>15346143
+More lies and insults, that is everything you have to offer. You lost this argument.
+--- 15346153
+>>15346147
+If you actually think anecdotes are scientific evidence then its clear you've never been involved in academia
+--- 15346154
+>The issue of why we dont show the proxy data for the last few decades ( they dont show continued warming) but assume that they are valid for early warm periods needs to be explained.
+
+Jonathan Overpeck
+--- 15346196
+>>15346146
+The burden of proof has not been met. Again, its insufficient to just claim that its been manipulated. You haven't provided any evidence of your claims.
+--- 15346202
+>>15346146
+You are arguing with a shill. Don't waste your time.
+--- 15346206
+>>15346196
+In that case the burden of proof is on you to show the data exists. Just because someone claims it exists doesn't mean it does. That is insufficient. Why would you trust them to provide the data, but not trust them to tell you how they "adjust" the data?
+--- 15346212
+>It looked to me like she had pretty well killed the hockey stick in public forum
+>Because as far as I can tell the hockey stick really was a tree-ring record, regardless of how it was labelled as multiproxy, this looks to me to be a really big deal. And, a big deal that may bite your chapter...
+
+Richard Alley
+--- 15346234
+>>15346206
+You can squirm all you want, but the burden of proof is on you and its clear that you're unable or unwilling to satisfy it. To me that implies that you know your full of shit.
+--- 15346237
+>>15340944
+>duuuuude compare this 100 year ocean level graph we acquired by looking at erosion and algae and shit with this hour timelapse of the tide coming in
+>we're all going to be underwater within a year or two
+--- 15346268
+>>15346234
+You can squirm all you want, but the burden of proof is on you and its clear that you're unable or unwilling to satisfy it. To me that implies that you know your full of shit.
+--- 15346307
+>>15337084
+>>15337085
+It's funny that after all this bullshit, ad hominems, and thought-terminating cliches in this thread, no one can rebut this information on how the data from climate "scientists" was changed. 
+This BTFO the "hockey stick graph", and basically all other bullshit that climate scientists have released.
+--- 15346319
+>>15346307
+>i'll just ignore the source explaining the reason for the adjustment to specific US data
+>even though I also claim the heat island effect is what's causing warming
+--- 15346327
+>>15345665
+In Europe at the time, yes it was warmer. The globe as a whole? No. It's a pretty simple concept
+--- 15346346
+>>15346307
+Why do you ignore the post 2000 temperature increase and are crying over a quarter of a degree adjustment due to urban heating that you lot later use as an argument later?
+--- 15346349
+>>15346307
+That's the problem. They think it was changed for a good reason, but it wasn't. It was changed to make "climate change" more real, even though the climate of the 1930s was warmer. 
+This is clear from all the climategate emails that were leaked, which the Fake News MSM promptly ignored or refused to cover, even though it completely outed the scam they were running behind the scenes. 
+It was a vast criminal conspiracy, and they all got away with it even they should've been convicted of falsifying data and lying to the government.
+--- 15346354
+>>15346346
+I'm a different person.
+The post-2000 data is now untrustworthy, because scientists were caught falsifying data and they wanted to claim that the earth was warming, even though the CO2 content of the atmosphere hasn't changed at all, and in some places is so low greenhouses actually have to pump in CO2 to increase plant growth (CO2 which comes from natural gas powered generators). 
+Also, the recent temperature increases are still not as much as the 1930s or the Medieval warm period. 
+Then climate scientists will talk about the "rate" of increasing, which is also false because ice core samples don't allow that level of granularity since they are thousands of years old. 
+It's all a huge grift perpetuated by climate scientists who want to keep their grant money, university departments, and cushy jobs. 
+These are people that should be working at Wendy's; instead, they're using falsified data to influence global politicians and authoritarians.
+--- 15346358
+>>15345773
+Are you suggesting that the raw data doesn't also show warming? Because they do. Raw station data is readily available online. I wonder why you don't post it.
+Also interesting that you focus on a specific region when it's a obvious different regions are warming at different rates
+--- 15346365
+>>15346354
+>even though the CO2 content of the atmosphere hasn't changed at all
+Are you legitimately retarded?
+>Then climate scientists will talk about the "rate" of increasing, which is also false because ice core samples don't allow that level of granularity since they are thousands of years old. 
+They absolutely do have good enough resolution and accurately capture the CO2 concentration as measured by sensors in the ice core site. 
+If you don't know even the basic concepts about the topic maybe you should shut up.
+--- 15346366
+>>15346354
+>Also, the recent temperature increases are still not as much as the 1930s or the Medieval warm period.
+>The post-2000 data is now untrustworthy
+Demonstrably false. This is a flat earth tier argument that because you can't physically measure it yourself then the data is a conspiracy
+--- 15346370
+>>15346365
+>only 10,000 years
+What a terrible sample size.
+Here's 66,000,000 years of CO2 data.
+As you can see, when there's an INCREASE in CO2, there's no ice at the poles (instead you'll find alligators and palm trees) and much more plant/animal growth that there is today.
+I'd much rather live on a planet with 1.6% CO2 in the atmosphere compared to the 0.4% that exists today.
+--- 15346381
+>>15346370
+>claims that CO2 isn't changing
+>is proven wrong
+>moving the goalposts and ignoring everything about resolution
+>talking about the planet when it was under a completely different oceanic and continental configuration
+>ignoring the fact that at the end of the recent ice ages, even at the fastest rate, a 100ppm increase of CO2 took ~2000 years and we've surpassed that in 100 years
+You don't know even the basic concepts of this
+--- 15346383
+>>15346370
+Also why are you comparing an ecosystem where the biosphere had grown and evolved in a steady state warm planet to rapid warming of an ecosystem where the biosphere has grown and evolved under a cooler steady state?
+Absolutely pathetic
+--- 15346400
+>>15346381
+>adding more data isn't "moving the goalposts"
+Kek, this is fun.
+I actually like responding to trolling, it forces us to sharpen our arguments and learn the material better.
+
+>>15346383
+That doesn't make any sense. The amount of CO2 on the planet doesn't change, it only changes form (from free-floating in the atmosphere, to locked up in fossil fuel deposits).
+By releasing MORE CO2, we're helping to avoid the next Ice Age, which would kill billions of people.
+If the planet warms back up to where there's no more Ice on the poles, humanity will enter into a new age of prosperity and food security.
+--- 15346420
+>>15346400
+Don't squirm away. Answer the question. 
+>ice core samples don't allow that level of granularity since they are thousands of years old.
+This is plain false and you ignored it.
+>By releasing MORE CO2, we're helping to avoid the next Ice Age, which would kill billions of people.
+If the planet warms back up to where there's no more Ice on the poles, humanity will enter into a new age of prosperity and food security.
+Absolutely false. The Permian Triassic extinction was caused by massive CO2 increase due to flood basalt volcanism. This increase took millions of years and wiped out 1/3 of species. We have increased temperature by 1 degree in 100 years.
+--- 15346427
+>>15346400
+>learn the material better
+Yeah it's clear you don't even know the basics if you claim ice cores don't have good enough resolution. Pretty emparassing.
+--- 15346431
+>>15346268
+Would you like to try again?
+--- 15346460
+>>15340278
+The facts are true but the story is fake.
+
+>>15346400
+>I actually like responding to trolling, it forces us to sharpen our arguments and learn the material better.
+>If I keep entertaining morons by arguing and learning about a psychosis.
+
+Never argue when you are never presented an argument. 
+global warming/climate change" is not an argument. It's an accurate description of a fantasy.
+
+>>15346420
+
+>If the planet warms back up to where there's no more Ice on the poles, 
+
+Tell me why Venus has the coldest north/south poles in the solar system besides pluto.
+
+>>15346427
+>b-but muh ice cores
+Correlate the CO2 with temperature already you mentally ill, disingenuous scum. It's bad enough these green fags pollute the planet exponentially more by introducing other exotic materials besides petroleum based products, but you can't even prove what you intitally claimed by stating that 
+
+>hurr co2 rises with tempurature!
+
+According to the graph...the exact fucking opposite could be the case because all you're doing is comparing numbers with other numbers. You aren't looking for the correlation. Maybe if you fags were actually "green" and self sufficient you would be lighting your own controlled fires occasionally and see that the CO2 comes after the heat of the flames. 
+
+Self-sufficiency is beyond these people though because at the end of the day they're dependents who have to prop up a story to sell their useless junk tech that politicians are all invested in. They treat carbon like mutually assured destruction in order to tax citizens more while giving them less. Oldest trick in the book, just ask any religion and their beliefs regarding "first sin".
+--- 15346475
+>>15346460
+>Correlate the CO2 with temperature already you mentally ill
+hmm
+>because all you're doing is comparing numbers with other numbers
+It's actual a causal relationship since the gas properties of CO2 and its interactions with IR radiation are what causes the greenhouse effect. Now lets see you try and deny the measured properties of CO2.
+--- 15346480
+>>15346460
+>Never argue when you are never presented an argument.
+You mean ignore and never engage with observational data? Because that's what you're doing
+--- 15346482
+>>15339638
+Did you seriously just link to Infowars
+
+You have to be the dumbest motherfucker on this entire website, do you eat shit for breakfast or what
+--- 15346487
+>>15346475
+https://www.2degreesinstitute.org/
+>SCIENCE ADVISORS
+all white males
+>BOARD OF DIRECTORS
+all white
+
+clearly this is some sort of racist bullshit organization and not even remotely diverse or trustworthy in any way, just a gang of white devils getting together to collude and lie
+--- 15346488
+>>15346475
+>He does it again, he posts descriptions in graph form
+
+Wow, look at how much the CO2 rose due to the temperature! 
+
+>It's actual a causal relationship since the gas properties of CO2 and its interactions with IR radiation are what causes the greenhouse effect
+
+It's obvious to the most casual observer that you're full of shit. Even a moron HVAC technician can properly explain how an insulator will never be the actual "cause" of an increase heat and how you'll still need to buy a boiler so you don't freeze in the winter believing blankets will save you.
+
+>>15346480
+>You mean ignore and never engage with observational data?
+>The sky is blue!
+>The grass is green
+>I can describe an observation but never explain to you why or how that happens
+
+Cool story bro. Now go pay your taxes so that the rich people can get those EV subsidy discounts.
+--- 15346496
+>>15346488
+>Wow, look at how much the CO2 rose due to the temperature! 
+>dude emissions aren't real even though their isotopic signatures show it
+Great arguments going on here
+>Even a moron HVAC technician can properly explain how an insulator will never be the actual "cause" of an increase heat
+Because the greenhouse effect works by CO2 and other gasses re radiating solar and black body from the planet IR back to the planet. It's a pretty simple thing that's commonly taught in high school.
+Y9ou are still not responding to your false claim that ice cores did not capture CO2 increase.
+--- 15346497
+>>15346358
+>Are you suggesting that the raw data doesn't also show warming?
+No, I am stating that it shows warming inconveniently happening way before CO2 levels rose substantially, and that the real data does not fit the models used to invent the climate crisis. Neat how you have to suddenly jump to completely different data now, why is that? Hadcrut4 is not good now?
+--- 15346504
+>>15346497
+No, I am stating that it shows warming inconveniently happening way before CO2 levels rose substantially
+That's blatantly false >>15346475
+ and shows deep ignorance if you're comparing global CO2 to regional climate in the US. Then claim that all data is false because of conspiracies. 
+>Neat how you have to suddenly jump to completely different data now, why is that? Hadcrut4 is not good now?
+What? All of the temperature products show agreement? What's your point?
+--- 15346508
+>>15346496
+>dude emissions aren't real
+Not what I said retard, try reading sometime
+
+>Because the greenhouse effect works by CO2 and other gasses re radiating solar and black body from the planet IR back to the planet. It's a pretty simple thing that's commonly taught in high school.
+Wonderful dummy, that's why I mentioned Venus having the coldest north and south poles next to Pluto. Can you explain why that is? Is it because of all that atmosphere and the suns inability to cut through it? Just as is the case on our planet where despite getting 24 hours of fucking sun at times during the year is still a frozen wasteland? Why doesn't CO2 work its magic more where there's more sun?
+
+>Y9ou are still not responding to your false claim that ice cores did not capture CO2 increase. I'm not the original anon your responding to. The ice cores are completely irrelevant, you don't know the actual temperature it was because it's a fucking icecore sample you dipshit. There is still no actual correlation, all you know is the CO2 and today temperature. Which you then assume and fill in the blank for the past. As far as I'm concerned it went up because the temperature did, in fact there's more proof because literally anything that's combustible demonstrable shows that's the case.
+--- 15346520
+>>15346504
+>hat's blatantly false >>15346475
+And yet you have to resort to fake data again. Why can't you support you claim using real data?
+>if you're comparing global CO2 to regional climate in the US
+We're not. But it is odd how that would be a problem, but using a single thermometer in Indonesia to represent the entire southern hemisphere is totally fine.
+--- 15346543
+>>15346508
+>Wonderful dummy, that's why I mentioned Venus having the coldest north and south poles next to Pluto.
+That's cool, but since it's not the Earth it's entirely irrelevant here. 
+>The ice cores are completely irrelevant, you don't know the actual temperature it was because it's a fucking icecore sample you dipshit.
+Again completely demonstrably false. Proxy data confirms it. Which you must believe in since you posted proxy data from the Cretaceous. 
+>>15346513
+>The greenhouse effect is real, CO2 plays a tiny, irrelevant role in it, no amount of changing CO2 levels will ever have a significant impact on global temperature,
+Demonstrably false again.
+>>15346520
+>Dude the data is fake because I say so even though the raw data shows the same warming temperature
+>but using a single thermometer in Indonesia to represent the entire southern hemisphere is totally fine.
+Why are you making shit up?
+--- 15346546
+>>15346504
+>starts temp graph in little ice age in order to create false perception of warming trend
+why do you post the same intentionally misleading data over and over again? 
+is it because you're incapable of making an honest argument? 
+>berkeley
+world headquarters of insane political activists, just least trustworthy source of information anywhere
+--- 15346551
+>>15346543
+>lets add a bunch of red to the recent end of the graph to make it look scary 
+you wouldn't need to engage in that type of dishonest manipulative behavior if you had any honest arguments to make.
+--- 15346552
+>>15346513
+>S-stop 
+You wimp. You infant. I curse your weak father.
+
+>You are the entire reason anyone skeptical of climate hysteria is labelled as a moron.
+
+Because unlike them they buy into the scam of actually entertaining the nonsense. I don't argue with cults, religious nutcases and people who cannot prove their own claims. I laugh at them and point out how they're wrong. Go unfuck yourself and get back to me when you actually want to start an argument instead of entertaining the lunacy of politicians.
+
+>CO2 is not insulating, it is absorbing and radiating. 
+
+Yes yes I know it's that dualism that some kosher light switch Jew made up about light magically traveling and being "absorbed and then remitted" (somehow). If only you could empirically demonstrate that then that too would be great. Aren't you forgetting that other stuff like "constructive/destructive interference" that would probably be a really good thing to know about since your dealing with light? Oh right no it's the water vapor a car farts we gotta focus on, apologies.
+
+>The greenhouse effect is real, CO2 plays a tiny, irrelevant role in it, no amount of changing CO2 levels will ever have a significant impact on global temperature, and a tiny increase in global temperature does not have any negative effects.
+I think it's a lot easier to just laugh at them and call them wrong like they are, anon. Instead you invest all this time that in the end still justifies the straw grasping atomist and their incessant need to describe CO2 and climate change because it's the most popular psychosis. Afterall, just look at what they did after they described a virus that had a mear 98.2 percent chance survival rate. 
+
+Give them an inch and they will falsely reify miles.
+--- 15346554
+>>15346543
+>Demonstrably false again.
+Yet you don't demonstrate it.
+>Why are you making shit up?
+Denying reality is not a productive strategy when you claim to be on the side of "science". Science is a process we use to understand reality.
+--- 15346561
+>>15346552
+>oy vey stop posting anti-semitic hate facts while I am well poisoning!111
+--- 15346563
+>>15346546
+>going to this this again when you get proven wrong 
+Curious you ignore the multiple charts that include data prior to the LIA.
+>data is wrong because of the physical location of the group even though it’s irrelevant to the discussion of GIS and HADCRUT
+Truly an intellectual giant here
+--- 15346567
+>>15346552
+>If only you could empirically demonstrate
+>ignores empirical observational data demonstrating it
+Lol
+--- 15346581
+>>15346551
+>arguing about colors
+Great stuff
+--- 15346582
+>>15346543
+>>15346543
+>That's cool, but since it's not the Earth it's entirely irrelevant here. 
+True, I mean Venus is not a planet that shares our heat source with exponentially worse "Greenhouse gasses" that would be an ideal indicator as to how they function or anything.
+
+>Proxy data confirms it
+No we cannot predict the past yet. We haven't synthesized wizard orbs yet.
+
+>Which you must believe in since you posted proxy data from the Cretaceous.
+I didn't post shit. I'm not an asshole here trying to convince people thermometers are really just flux capacitors in disguise.
+
+>>15346561
+>anti-semitic hate facts 
+>wave particle dualism
+It's a fact, not a hate fact. Do you hate it anon?
+
+>>15346567
+>Dude I measured a shadow, shadows are real and muh hekin data is valid!
+You're not fooling anyone. Nobody with half a brain is gong to purchase an electric rollerskate joke of a vehicle. And no amount of ice you drill will ever confirm what temperature it was 2000 years ago because it's fucking ice in the present being "below 32 degrees depending on salt content".
+
+
+How did people/posters like this convince the population with such garbage rhetoric? It's laughably absurd some of the shit that comes out of your mouths that you just believe simply because some book learned retard parroted it to you in college. That shit isn't cheap and they clearly failed you miserably, I would ask for my money back.
+--- 15346591
+>"""adjusted""" data
+>projections proven wrong time after time
+>fraud at the ipcc
+>manipulation of review journals
+>all ice will be gone by 2000, and 2005, and 2013, and 2020, 2030, says """experts"""
+its not science at all, just cultists spewing lies.
+--- 15346605
+>>15346582
+>"Greenhouse gasses" that would be an ideal indicator as to how they function or anything
+What's the Surface temperature at Venus?
+Why do you try to make low temperatures in the upper part (140km) of the atmosphere as if it were surface temperatures?
+Funny how you put absolute faith in in data from a probe in Venus but will refuse to accept basing light intensity measurements here on Earth.
+Good stuff
+
+>we cannot predict the past yet. We haven't synthesized wizard orbs yet.
+Fuck off with this flat earther solipsism bullshit
+--- 15346638
+>>15346605
+>What's the Surface temperature at Venus?
+Depends where you measure it
+
+>Why do you try to make low temperatures in the upper part (140km) of the atmosphere as if it were surface temperatures?
+To show they're not what's causing the heating
+
+>Funny how you put absolute faith in in data from a probe in Venus but will refuse to accept basing light intensity measurements here on Earth.
+Funny how you pointed that out and made everyone reading this doubt the validity of that too. 
+
+>Fuck off with this flat earther solipsism bullshit
+You have a series of weather stations that only started showing up in the 1800's and none of them correlates temperature and Carbon dioxide. None of them can predict what causes either to change. All they do is measure it. Just like all a polish psychic does is predict the past.
+--- 15346655
+>>15346638
+fucking kek
+--- 15346671
+>>15346638
+>Depends where you measure it
+Yes that's why I'm calling you out on claiming that surface temperatures in Venus were colder than the Earth when it was actually the uppermost part of the atmosphere.
+Funny how you pointed that out and made everyone reading this doubt the validity of that too. 
+I don't doubt the validity of the Venus data, I do know you're purposely lying about what that data shows.
+>You have a series of weather stations that only started showing up in the 1800's and none of them correlates temperature and Carbon dioxide.
+But that's wrong as shown time and time again by the observed greenhouse effect and increasing temperatures due to increasing CO2
+--- 15346675
+>>15340279
+My claim is that his data is incongruent with what we see happening in the world around us. Meanwhile data such as this
+>>15340006
+IS congruent with what we see happening in the world around us. So it's very obvious that OPs data is false or has been misrepresented.
+
+Does that make sense or is it too hard for your brain to understand?
+--- 15346679
+>>15346675
+>IS congruent with what we see happening in the world around us
+No it isn't. It also is not congruent with accurate data like satellite data or argo.
+--- 15346691
+>>15346460
+>Venus has the coldest north/south poles in the solar system besides Pluto.
+This is false and a simple search proves what you did wrong. Venus' poles are NOT the coldest in the solar system besides Pluto. 140 km up in the atmosphere, literally we measure space on Earth as beginning at 100 km, the temperature of Venus' atmosphere as being -157 degrees C. That is not, in any way shape or form, the coldest poles in the solar system but a description of the atmosphere far above the surface. Meanwhile its surface temperature is still measured at 700 degrees
+--- 15346692
+>>15346671
+>Yes that's why I'm calling you out on claiming that surface temperatures in Venus were colder than the Earth when it was actually the uppermost part of the atmosphere.
+I was never specific saying "surface temp". Also really makes me think how greenhouse gasses are that cold despite the surface being so hot, indicating they are not the actually the source of the heat whatsoever.
+
+>Funny how you pointed that out and made everyone reading this doubt the validity of that too. 
+This is a climate secularized metaphysics thread. Doubt is your only liberation from the scam.
+
+>I don't doubt the validity of the Venus data, I do know you're purposely lying about what that data shows.
+I'm not lying, I'm "accurately describing" using the data. See look how cold it is! Those temps prove that the greenhouse gas cause cooling, not heating. It was measured and set in stone using measures and numbers so how can you prove me wrong?
+
+>by the observed greenhouse effect and increasing temperatures 
+"The sun" anon. "The sun" is the heat source and cause of the increasing tempurature. The gas just insulates that. For comparison using a real life example, you are never going to get a hot water heaters heating elements to produce hotter water by simply insulating the sides, the insulation PREVENTS LOSS. Furthermore the water..the medium itself will prevent the heater from going past 212 degrees.
+
+>due to increasing CO2
+Prove it. You won't because it's literally impossible. A fire doesn't work in reverse, numbskull.
+--- 15346696
+>>15346679
+>too hard for your brain to understand
+Yup. Not surprising you don't get it.
+--- 15346699
+>>15346679
+>lying yet again
+--- 15346741
+>>15346679
+Hmm
+--- 15346745
+>>15346699
+>>15346741
+>NOOOO THE DATA IS THE SAME
+>shows graphs of the data being different
+Hmmm....
+--- 15346769
+>>15337076 (OP)
+I lived in Massachusetts as a kid and I recall one summer being 100+F sometime between 2002-2006.
+--- 15346797
+>>15346745
+NTA. They are, effectively, showing the same thing. Pretending someone is claiming they are literally point-for-point identical, or that it is somehow relevant, is just lying as you've already been shown to be doing.
+--- 15346920
+How else do they perpetuate a HOAX like climate change, unless they are able to erase all contrary evidence? Cmon man, 10% for the big guy!
+--- 15347000
+>>15346797
+No, they are not. You can't claim X degrees of warming that is accelerating is supported by data showing both less warming, and the trend of warming declining.
+--- 15347005
+>>15347000
+The warming trend is clearly faster on satellite data though 
+Are you having a stroke?
+--- 15347022
+>>15347005
+>the opposite of reality is really true trust me
+wut
+--- 15347031
+>>15347005
+NTA. He isn't having a stroke but he is incredibly stupid. I figured out what he's trying to argue, even though it's fucking retarded. He doesn't realize your chart >>15346741 ends in 2010, and is thus trying to argue "look see the average from 2000-2010 means climate change don't real".
+>>15347000
+>>15347022
+See image. While estimates vary slightly due to differences in methodology, the trends are nonetheless present.
+>inb4 models don't perfectly agree therefore wrong
+>inb4 models which do perfectly agree are conspiracy
+You're like an anti-honesty machine. I can only pray you're trolling.
+--- 15347064
+>>15347031
+>we can demand the total destruction of western society because we said there would be .6 degrees of warming
+>but when there is actually only .3 degrees that means we were right and our fake data that says .6 degrees is really the same even though that is a 100% difference
+>so let us totally destroy western civilization because our next 50 predictions will be right unlike the last 500!
+--- 15347072
+>>15337085
+>>15337084
+>2019 has data on 2000 and 1999 does not have data on 2000
+wild man
+--- 15347080
+>>15337084
+>>15337085
+Man, the data really show how hot the weather can be
+--- 15347083
+Just a small reminder. No matter how you faggots protect our Earth, you, all your descendants and all humanity will die. It's not "probably", it's 100%.
+
+The Sun is already in the middle of its journey to death, half of its life gone. But we don't wait until it's dead, no. We die much earlier, even before white dwarf, even before fully bloomed red giant, even before it starts going giant. It gets hotter right now as I'm writing it. It will get so hot that all our oceans will evaporate, the atmosphere will be blown into space and Earth will look exactly like Mars. Oh by the way I'm pretty sure you know Mars looked like Earth previously. But uh oh what happened there?
+
+Anyways good luck fighting inevitable.
+--- 15347089
+>>15347005
+there is no warming trend
+--- 15347137
+>>15347064
+
+>>15347031
+>>inb4 models don't perfectly agree therefore wrong
+You are now here.
+--- 15347163
+>>15347137
+>wrong isn't wrong because reasons
+--- 15347233
+>>15347083
+Oh shit we'll all be dead in 4 billion years? Might as well just sleep in my own shit.
+--- 15347306
+>>15347031
+Yeah but that graph you posted has UAH data which is Upper Atmosphere. The RSS is surface and it's virtually identical to the instrumental record.
+--- 15347310
+>>15347306
+Meant to say UAH means University of Alabama Huntsville and I confused it with their work on the upper troposphere and stratosphere data
+--- 15347499
+it snowed this morning, first time since 1973 there was snow on april 12
+--- 15347720
+>>15347233
+No retard in 4 billion years the sun is dead.
+--- 15348331
+>>15347720
+oh only 1 billion years guess I better start living in a septic tank
+--- 15348421
+>>15348331
+No retard in 1 billion years oceans will evaporate. You need to draw the line somewhere and stop pretending you can change something.
+--- 15348635
+>>15347163
+>>15348574
+D'awww look at them flail around for want of argument
+--- 15348701
+>>15348421
+Oh no in 10 years I'll be dead, better start injecting myself with hiv needles and eating human shit!
+--- 15349027
+>>15343134
+>It's been 20 years and his results have been replicated multiple times
+That is hardly impressive if all you do is to apply the "correction curves" from >>15337098.
+--- 15350163
+>>15341537
+We literally saw a conspiracy of millions of scientists, doctors, nurses, politicians, and corporations about COVID-19 and the vaccines in this decade. If the pro-vaxxers were right about the lethality of SARS-CoV-2, China would have lost 50 million people in the past year. Clearly they were wrong, so "that would require a conspiracy of millions" is no longer a useful rebuttal.
+--- 15351103
+>>15350163
+Absolutely, especially when it comes down to bullying, suppression of data, the risk of losing your job AND not being able to find another one. 
+"Climate change" is a con job, same as COVID-19, which was used to get Trump out of office and cause billions in economic damage. 
+Anytime the government is asking for more money, more power, or BOTH, be skeptical as fuck.
+--- 15351503
+>>15347089
+this pmt
+--- 15352047
+>>15347499
+> it snowed this morning, first time since 1973 there was snow on april 12
+Earth is cooling down for years now ,every idiot can see that if he ignores mainstream. The blatant liers knows it, that why they changed the wording. Hope they will all shot.
+--- 15352169
+>>15352047
+That's one of the reasons why Globalists are making it so difficult for small farmers. They want more control, and they know that large farms/companies are more likely to be wealthier and make political contributions.
+When I was growing up, there were THREE local farmers, all of whom had nice houses, and sent their kids to college. We would drive around every week during the summer and get fresh produce, pickles, tomato sauce, etc.
+Today, there are NO small farms in my home town, as the government has made it defacto-illegal for them to operate profitably.
+--- 15352236
+>>15337885
+>climatologist
+is there anyone on this globe who would voluntarily call himself a "climatlogist"?
+--- 15353589
+>>15337098
+that shows off the attempt at erasing the 1930s hot spell pretty clearly 
+>“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
+--- 15354055
+Reminder that "climate change" failed to fit into the "Symbolic order", failed to end the world (or to even exist at all, for that matter) in the year 2000, and has since been released into an increasingly psychotic form; its prophets now trying to measure it into being.
+--- 15354170
+>>15337076 (OP)
+I don't know about america but in italy rivers are fucking drying up, and its fucking spring. It's not looking good and it definetly was never like this before.
+--- 15354470
+>>15354055
+Meds
+--- 15354555
+>>15354170
+lies
+--- 15354683
+How can anyone still believe in this bullshit when every single independently verifiable prediction has turned out to be wrong?
+It really is a cult. The date of their end of the world just keeps moving, but their certainty never goes down.
+--- 15354693
+>>15346699
+>>15346741
+>After "temperature adjustment," of course.
+Because thermometers are racist or something.
+--- 15355317
+>>15354055
+This. Once the poles mysteriously failed to melt like Al Gore predicted, it's now become dogma that climate change actually means the Earth will get colder and hotter at the same time, everywhere.
+--- 15355905
+>>15352236
+some people will do anything for money
+--- 15355910
+>>15355905
+Couldn't they just become prostitutes? It's a more prestigious profession.
+--- 15356716
+currently, my country is cutting funds to nuclear plants and taking them off what is considered green energy.
+Until green activists embrace nuclear, I will assume any climate alarmist reports, articles, and charts are lies and shilling for oil and green lobbying.
+--- 15356726
+>>15356716
+>climate alarmist reports, articles, and charts are lies and shilling for oil
+Whenever they talk "muh climate change" oil prices go up and the rich people in government get richer. 
+Sure sounds like a scam.
+--- 15357329
+>>15356716
+germany shut down it's last nuclear power plants yesterday
+--- 15358225
+>>15339991
+>https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/12/3469/2020/essd-12-3469-2020.html
+Actually I did. The math looks impressive but its built on bullshit and mirrors. Moving temperature measurement sites, assuming error bands for a wide of variety of changes.
+
+There are no error bands, no confidence levels that mean anything relative to the broad based assumptions made as input data.
+
+Given the repercussions of the data on the global world this has to be the biggest con since creation. Its not that the math appears bad, its just the assumptions are lousy.
+
+There are no confide
+--- 15358287
+>>15345709
+Why do you pretend that a temperature station in a "rural" area is automatically immune to heat island effects and bad siting?
+Rural areas also have buildings, AC units, power transformers, sun traps, etc that cause significant local changes in recorded temperatures.
+
+https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/2022_Surface_Station_Report.pdf
+--- 15358296
+>>15358287
+--- 15358310
+>>15358296
+--- 15359204
+>>15354055
+>>15355317
+More like :
+>Extreme events will get worse!
+- Actually, they haven't. Hurricanes aren't more powerful than Galveston in the 1920s. They cause more death/damage because there's more people on the planet.
+- Furthermore, SE Asia Monsoons have gotten better and less extreme.
+>It will lead to mass extinction and crop failure!
+- Not really, animal extinction is due to people taking over more place, like burning the Rain Forest in Brazil to make room for cattle grazing. So that's a separate issue.
+>Those 1 out of a century storms are happening every year!
+- They're not.
+>The winters will be colder and the summers will be hotter
+- Nope, not happening
+>Glaciers will melt
+- Not happening on a global level, and there are many glaciers that are adding ice. https://www.severe-weather.eu/cryosphere/earth-youngest-glacier-healthy-cryosphere-losing-battle-global-warming-rrc/
+
+The whole thing is a grift. Politicians/bureaucrats/climate scientists, all with a vested interest in perpetuating the scam. 
+Anyone who comes out again it is silenced and cancelled.
+--- 15359253
+>>15358287
+>>15358296
+>>15358310
+Just one of the many techniques employed by "scientists" to create false data that supports the global warming narrative.
+--- 15359303
+>>15340260
+--- 15359318
+>>15359303
+>No matter what the context, they will always come up with a lie that "proves" global warming is real.
+>They have to lie, because global warming is fake.
+--- 15359341
+>>15359204
+>there are many glaciers that are adding ice
+yeah, adding ice to the oceans.
+
+I wonder what makes a person write about "many glaciers adding ice" and then post a source that clearly states
+>most glaciers are receding
+--- 15359358
+>>15347083
+Nobody gives a fuck if humanity will die in 4,000,000,000 years or even 4,000,000. People care about their own lifetimes and the lifetimes of their children and grandchildren you fuck.
+--- 15359404
+>>15359358
+Well on that timescale there's literally nothing to worry about from climate change.
+--- 15359410
+>>15359358
+You look angry because stupid. It's totally fine to care about yourself and your family, I do as well. However as an adult you should not feel like a kid in front of a class who expects a good mark and tell everyone what they want to hear. No need to hit your chest and shout how you are going to save the earth or other bullshit. Just tell the truth like I do and like you just did to me. You care about yourself, that's it.
+Sorry for my English, I'm from Europe.
+--- 15360231
+>>15358287
+>Heartland institute 
+Lol
+Lmao
+--- 15360242
+>>15358225
+>the math checks out but I’ll just assume it’s wrong 
+Good stuff
+--- 15360265
+>>15360242
+He said it "looks" impressive. It's just an illusion meant to dupe people like you.

sci/15338455.txt

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+-----
+--- 15338455
+Maskies on the wrong side of history yet again.
+
+>Lead author Dr Ben Patterson said: 'Our study found no evidence that mandatory masking of staff impacts the rate of hospital SARS-CoV-2 infection with the Omicron variant.
+>The research will be presented later this month at the European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases in Copenhagen, Denmark.
+https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11946447/Masks-hospitals-no-difference-Covid-infection-rates-study-finds.html
+--- 15338469
+>Daily Mail
+>one study
+>didn't test staff infection rates
+>didn't check adherence to mask policy
+>even the lead author says the study doesn't show masks are useless
+>trusting hospital drones to use statistics appropriately
+/sci/
+--- 15338472
+>>15338469
+wheres the studies which say otherwise?
+--- 15338490
+>>15338472
+https://www.google.com/search?q=effectiveness+of+masks+in+preventing+transmission+of+airborne+diseases
+--- 15338507
+>google
+dis nigga serious?
+--- 15339767
+all the people who wore those things are now too ashamed of themselves to discuss the topic
+--- 15339769
+When are people going to accept that the empirical studies are for hacks?
+--- 15339798
+>>15338638
+Mask reduces cough residue left on car interior.
+--- 15339802
+>>15339798
+and where does that cough residue end up instead, i wonder
+--- 15339807
+>>15338455 (OP)
+>>>/pol/ is usually where non-serious or parody discussion goes, especially when politically related. You can also try /b/ or /x/. Don't feel bad, everyone was new once. Have a great day!
+--- 15339811
+>>15339807
+cry about it
+--- 15339815
+>>15339807
+https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
+--- 15339829
+>>15339807
+B...but they all said wearing the diaper was about health not politics.
+--- 15341330
+lot of ppl had alternative reasons to want to wear a mask.
+--- 15341362
+>>15338472
+40 peer reviewed studies that show masks are effective:
+https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/do-face-masks-work-here-are-49-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/
+--- 15341367
+>>15341362
+>peer reviewed
+not meaningful anymore, the system has been abused to death
+--- 15341384
+>>15341362
+>twitter MD
+Man...if I had the power I would strip rights to practice left and right with abandon.
+--- 15341515
+>>15341362
+>peer reviewed
+lol
+--- 15341689
+>>15338455 (OP)
+>Left-wing fascists on the wrong side of history yet again.
+FIFY
+
+There is no way that leftists are always wrong by accident. It is ON PURPOSE! They are evil.
+--- 15341693
+>>15341362
+>peer reviewed
+>>15341362
+>studies
+KEK!
+--- 15341697
+>>15339807
+Based sci chad
+--- 15342092
+>>15341362
+Is one of the 49 the CDC one where they phoned up people, asked if they'd had covid and asked if they thought they had worn their mask as much as they should have? lol.
+
+There was a lot of bad science floating around that started with a conclusion in mind instead of a hypothesis.
+
+>>15338469
+I grant all your points except for this one.
+>even the lead author says the study doesn't show masks are useless
+which may as well be
+>the lead author would still like to get grant approvals in the future
+At some point attempting to ward off bad science journalism from journalists who won't thoroughly understand your work nor take the time to interview you personally turns into a prayer towards the altar of The Science.
+--- 15342605
+Explain decreasing belief in the global warming narrative amongst scientists
+--- 15342685
+>>15342605
+Psyops by (((think tanks)))
+--- 15342720
+>>15342605
+>Muh whataboutism
+White male capitalist cis patriarchy falsifying records and muddying the waters trying to hold tooth and nail to its unearned privileges. This is a classic case of the horseshoe theory. Seriously, read a book.
+--- 15342796
+>>15342720
+--- 15342850
+>>15342605
+Gradual loss of narrative control.
+--- 15344077
+>get 1st vaccine
+>feels sick for 3 days
+>get 2nd vaccine
+>feels sick for another 3 days
+>got covid anyway
+>feels sick for 2 weeks
+>got covid again
+>feels sick for 2 weeks
+>probably have myocarditis now
+
+What was the point
+--- 15344188
+>>15344077
+Signaling your loyalty to the regime.
+--- 15344217
+>>15338469
+>even the lead author says the study doesn't show masks are useless
+That's why it saw the light of day.
+--- 15344242
+>>15338469
+>doesn't show masks are useless
+Right. Theoretically the effect could still be nonzero but statistically unmeasurable.
+--- 15344265
+Meanwhile in Switzerland, they're abandoning the jabs for almost everyone now. Even high risk people are no longer recommended to get the jab. Only with the authorization of a doctor can high risk Swiss access the jabs. For everyone else, they will simply be unavailable. The media in the US has given this little to only token attention. Meanwhile the CDC is pushing for six month old babies to get the jabs and the FDA is about to authorize a seventh dose of the drug.
+--- 15344293
+>>15338455 (OP)
+The study found that masks alone are insufficient, but work when paired with other health measures. 
+It's nothing surprising, especially given that COVID precautions are basically gone now. 2 of my grandparents died of COVID they caught in the hospital after going for unrelated reasons.
+t. American
+--- 15344345
+>>15344293
+>wearing a green sweater doesn't reduce traffic deaths but works when paired with airbags and a seatbelt 
+>sweater deniers btfo
+--- 15344448
+>>15344345
+It's because the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, anon. A seat belt and an airbag work 4x as well as just one or the other.
+--- 15344452
+>>15344448
+woosh
+--- 15344466
+>>15344448
+Are you retarded?
+And dont call me by my name again you cunt
+--- 15344486
+>Super Sugar Bombs cereal is a part of a nutritious breakfast.
+--- 15344853
+>>15344077
+>get 0 vaccines
+>don't feel sick
+>don't get covid
+>get fired for not vaxmaxxing
+>ex-coworkers all get covid
+--- 15345625
+>>15344486
+Thats a good breakfast for someone who works outdoors and needs to consume a 1500 calorie breakfast. Lazy college kids and other layabouts usually eat one piece of toast.
+--- 15345645
+What's the deal with Ameritards and masks? Masks are really popular in Asian countries because of pollution and high population densities. In densely populated Chinese cities it's pretty much an unspoken rule that everyone wears masks during flu season.
+--- 15345648
+>>15345625
+>these college kids i imagined in my head eat toast for breakfast so this soup of sugar is actually good for you
+do you realize how retarded you sound right now
+--- 15345656
+>>15345648
+>emotionally triggered lazy layabout
+--- 15345660
+>>15338455 (OP)
+Warnings were not heeded
+--- 15345675
+>>15345656
+oh how dare you call me a toast eater. i am so triggered
+--- 15346803
+I don't care if retards can't use masks properly. Do they actually work or not? Yes or no? The real ones, N95 or better.
+--- 15346847
+>>15345645
+South Koreans believe in fan death. Just because a belief is widespread in a culture doesn't make it factual.
+--- 15346858
+>>15346803
+>Do they actually work or not? Yes or no? The real ones, N95 or better.
+Only self-contained bottled air in pressurized suits and a total sanitation and disposal of said suits after use "works". 
+They don't wear cloth "masks" in a level-4 bio-hazard lab, where the virus was created by splicing HIV and Corona virus. Body suits only.
+--- 15348463
+>>15346858
+I'm not talking about 99.99% effectiveness. Not even propaganda man on TV claimed anything ridiculous like that. If it reduces the chance to get infected AND/OR the chance to infect others by, say, at least 20% that would mean it's working. The number is kind of arbitrary but a 20% reduction seems significant enough setting unrealistic expectations.
+So by this definition, do these masks work or not?
+--- 15348578
+>>15348573
+How about coughing?
+--- 15348605
+>>15348602
+So retards can't read and use masks properly. That doesn't mean they don't work. That means the average retard is retarded.
+--- 15348622
+>>15348611
+Nice try. I didn't go outside even once during the pandemic.
+Also you are arguing about mask mandates. I'm arguing about masks. I never said mandates were effective. Clearly they weren't because of retards like you.
+--- 15348633
+>>15348629
+I can see that.
+--- 15348874
+>>15348566
+the n-word is racist
+--- 15348942
+>>15338455 (OP)
+I miss when NPCs wore masks. I loved slapping them around like the fags they were. Fun times
+
+oh and I also missed how they stayed home. Was so awesome to not have retards outside everywhere in my way. I really miss that
+--- 15349273
+>>15348942
+Imbecile, I spent two years at home because my cucked country pretty much banned going anywhere without getting vaxxed.
+--- 15349485
+>>15344265
+No one's pushing the vax in the US anymore, they're just milking the few who were hyperpropagandized for residual profit
+--- 15349515
+>>15349491
+I live in the most glorious country on Earth, mutt. The one your retarded grandfathers destroyed to spread hyperturbofaggotry.
+--- 15349547
+>>15349534
+The revolution was 80 years ago and my country fought half the world for 5 years. My ancestors called out the Jews and fought them head on. You faggots have to call men in a dress women or you get cancelled, kek. Meanwhile our symbolism still strikes fear into our enemies like nothing else. That's why you niggers pay $40 for 5RM coins that are $10 here.
+--- 15349549
+Maskie here, still haven't got covid
+--- 15349557
+>>15349547
+You smell like rancid cabbage kraut. All your women transgendered into Helga-Krauts a thousand years ago during the dark ages. 
+
+You couldn't even exterminate the jews. Krauts are worthless faggots now, all the manly ones were killed by Russians and Americans, since Russians and Americans back then only killed men, leaving Germany with the tights-wearing Euro-trash fags who spread their techno-faggotry worldwide now.
+--- 15349566
+I wore a mask prior to COVID because of severe pollen alergies.
+--- 15349579
+>>15349566
+no one asked
+--- 15349584
+>>15349566
+>severe pollen alergies.
+That's due to improper diet and enviro-pollutants. It's not really the pollen, that's the lie you are sold to sell you "cures" that don't work.
+--- 15349592
+>>15349584
+It did help.
+So these masks filter environmental pollutants?
+--- 15349601
+>>15349554
+Your country hosts the Synagogue of Satan.
+>>15349557
+Not really. There were plenty of soldiers who got captured and sent back a decade after the war. Or children of those soldiers who never got to fight.
+--- 15349608
+>>15349592
+>It did help.
+Placebo effect works. Is why all cults use it. Cheap and effective.
+--- 15349610
+>>15349601
+>Or children of those soldiers who never got to fight.
+Those were groomed by the surviving Jews and Socialists and in turn raised transgender millenials.
+--- 15349619
+>>15349610
+Numbers don't add up. Those who were still children in 1945 eventually became the parents of boomers or gen x, depending on age at the time.
+--- 15349633
+>>15349619
+You assume too much. My granddad was born in 1936 and had kids in the late 1960s with one wife (grandma) and the late 1980s with another wife. I have an uncle who is my age.
+--- 15349726
+>>15349633
+OK, sure, but that sounds like a bit of an outlier. Besides, you're assuming that those who died in the war were in some way genetically special but in the end they were just regular normalfags led by competent leaders (until later in the war at least).
+--- 15349728
+>>15349726
+>normalfags led by incompetent leaders
+FIFY
+--- 15349747
+>>15349728
+>tiny, impoverished country
+>fights half the world 7 years later
+>Jews still seething almost 100 years later
+--- 15349752
+>>15349747
+When are Jews not seething? It's what they do.
+--- 15349763
+>>15349751
+Truth. 
+Hitler should have focused on Soviet Union first, gotten UK and Japan to help destroy it. 
+
+Once conquered it, taken China, and given it to Japan. Then formed an alliance with USA and helped USA take over all of North and South America (bout two weeks). 
+
+UK could have had all Africa, with agreement to export to USA, Germany, Japan. 
+
+USA, UK, Germany then could have turned on Japan and easily taken east Asia from them, relegating Japan to making superior electronics. 
+
+World would be at peace, with USA, UK, Germany controlling it all. 
+
+But noooooo Hitler and Roosenfeld in USA had to fuck it all up. 
+
+STUPID SOCIALISTS!
+--- 15349787
+>>15349752
+Sure, but nothing makes them seethe more than Nazi Germany.
+>>15349751
+I guess so, yes. He wasn't the best strategist and fucked up a lot of things along the way. Still, under his rule Germany went from poor and weak to a strong economic and military powerhouse. Ironically, he was still too nice, letting a Jew doctor poison him or having mercy with English troops in Dunkirk (IIRC?) and letting them go. It wasn't all him, of course, but he enabled it all.
+--- 15349792
+OK, granted, Jesus does make them seethe more than Nazi Germany.
+--- 15351445
+jannie h8 hiter
+what did he ever do to you, jannie? was he bad in a scary hollywood moooovie? did he frighten you?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmvFOEs575g [Embed]
+--- 15352395
+>>15351445
+>be 23 years old
+>reeeeeee hitler!!!!
+dudes been dead for a century
+--- 15352468
+Should I reject handshakes and kisses on the cheeks (European style).
+--- 15352652
+>>15352468
+Grab them by the pussy instead.
+--- 15352696
+>>15352468
+their eyes all look so soulless
+--- 15352765
+>>15352696
+Lizard-alien people. Natives called them skinwalkers.
+--- 15352865
+>>15341362
+>doctor
+>understands that a good seal around the face is essential
+
+>general public
+>allowed to wear a mask over a full beard without scorn or ridicule
+--- 15352896
+>>15339829
+Heh remember when COVID first appeared in the US and the CDC said masks make no difference, don't buy them, and then weeks later admitted that it was a lie to preserve mask stocks for hospital staff?
+--- 15352901
+>>15341515
+>margin of error
+Wait, so she couldn't tell the difference between male and female dogs at times?
+--- 15352911
+>>15352896
+kek
+--- 15352929
+>>15345625
+The bowl of sugar is useless. I work hard labor outdoors and the energy from those instantly dissolving simple carbs will last less than an hour. The milk alone can get get my blood sugar right for the work while the rest of the food in that pic is digesting.
+--- 15352935
+>>15341362
+--- 15352936
+>>15352929
+Needs more meat though, I'm gonna be straining muscles all day and I'll need the protein to keep them.
+--- 15352945
+>>15344077
+We literally tried to tell you
+--- 15352952
+guise, i have a very serious questions, why do dentists and surgeons wear masks?
+--- 15352954
+>>15352952
+To stop saliva dropping onto the patient, which can be bad in surgery
+--- 15353050
+>>15352936
+eggs, eggs in the french toast, eggs in the pancakes & nice fatty bacon, plus butter in the french toast & on the pancakes. animal fats have a nice long digestive profile. the starch in the 5 bananas helps too. who eats 5 bananas for breakfast?
+--- 15353286
+>>15344077
+We told you anon
+No refunds
+--- 15353336
+>>15341362
+>peer reviewed studies
+kek
+the calling card of "scams".
+--- 15353385
+>>15353336
+science is pushed a religious belief specifically because it is so open to dishonest manipulation. 
+atheists are all dishonest manipulators. 
+that why they hate people with rigid, fixed beliefs, so much harder to get your way with them
+--- 15353457
+>>15348463
+>So by this definition, do these masks work or not?
+No.
+--- 15353553
+when are maskies going to do something to clean up the massive environmental pollution they selfishly caused? never?
+--- 15353891
+>>15339829
+I'm sure that works better than the hepa cabin air filter a lot of cars have.
+--- 15353963
+>>15338455 (OP)
+>Maskies
+Normal people don't get into 'factions' over such frivolous things. 
+If masks are shown to be useless then so be it, nobody besides your kind of people have any strong emotion about it.
+--- 15353969
+>>15352935
+But the premise of this topic is a STUDY.
+/sci/zos are devoid of any temporal coherence it's scary at this point.
+--- 15354060
+>>15353963
+This, boosters have been proven to be safe and effective.
+After all, who would you trust, the 80% of normal people that vaccinated, or the 20% of nutjobs that didn't ?
+We must flatten the curve.
+--- 15354140
+>>15353963
+>Normal people don't get into 'factions' over such frivolous things
+Yes they do, and maskcucks joined the evil faction.
+--- 15354647
+>>15353553
+>never?
+--- 15354759
+>>15338455 (OP)
+>Maskies on the wrong side of history yet again.
+What do you mean? The mask mandate was a wonderful thing. Thanks to the masks, I was able to urban-explore without worrying about getting caught by security or CCTV. I've got a lot of dope photos from the lockdown era and my friends love hearing the stories I tell them.
+--- 15354818
+>>15353963
+If it were a free choice, sure, but masks were required by law, with various punishments for choosing not to wear one. Of course you knew that when you made your disingenuous post.
+--- 15358464
+>>15354818
+If they lie about that then who do you think is causing the replication crisis?

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+-----
+--- 15340816
+Is high IQ an evolutionary disadvantage?
+--- 15340821
+>>15340816 (OP)
+If it consumes too much calories yes
+--- 15340829
+>>15340816 (OP)
+Based on the power difference between a nuke and a bear I would say no from a power sense, and on the sex front it seems the soviets succeeded in making their smartest people into celebrities. Based on the birth rates around the world it seems like it isn't just intelligent people having issues, something is deeply wrong and it started in 1963 according to the data.
+--- 15340867
+Liberal rules, Atheism and hedonism is on a global rise. People in earlier times (pre1800) were more religious and would just get married at a very young. local communities were much smaller and tightly bound. Neigbours would literally know everyone around them and everything about them, but not anything outside a certain range. so the girls were always available for the guys, and the guys had very little to no competetion with the type of playboys or gigachads we have in our time hogging all the girls from million miles away.
+--- 15340999
+>>15340816 (OP)
+No. What a retarded question. Do you think humans would be intelligent in the present day if high IQ hadn't been advantageous for the majority of the millions of years the species has existed?
+--- 15341006
+high intelligence is more important than love.
+thats why we need government matchmaking to match these types because they can't do it themselves.
+--- 15341021
+>>15340829
+>Based on the birth rates around the world it seems like it isn't just intelligent people having issues, something is deeply wrong and it started in 1963 according to the data
+I agree but we're talking about two, seemingly unrelated things. Physically the introduction of plastics, PFAS, and other harmful pollutants into the environment has impacted human fertility negatively, and continues to do so. Socially, the sexual revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
+--- 15341025
+>>15341006
+They "can't do it themselves" because we live in an increasingly atomized society where more people are finding themselves isolated and lacking a social network outside of the internet
+--- 15341029
+>>15340829
+>engage in social constructivism based on anti-human principles
+>humans start disappearing
+???
+--- 15341034
+>>15340816 (OP)
+Humans have collective intelligence, individual intelligence is obsolete.
+High IQ people can't relate to normal people and can't partake on the collective intelligence.
+--- 15341054
+that's just cope. 
+plenty of high IQ people have happy relationships. 
+and so do manlets. 
+and so do dicklets. 
+and whatever other excuses you have. 
+the reason is YOU.
+--- 15341061
+>>15340816 (OP)
+There is no single measure of fitness. Fitness is relative to some specific environment.
+--- 15341075
+>>15341021
+>>15341029
+You could also introduce urbanization as a factor, cites are called demographic sinks for a reason.
+>>15341034
+10000 retards couldn't build a the CPU in your PC but the combined intelligence of 10000 engineers can, so it seems collective intelligence exists at all levels until you reach Grigori Perelman tier and dunk on everyone before going back to picking mushrooms
+>>15341061
+it seems OP is talking about reproductive success
+--- 15341088
+>>15340816 (OP)
+The situation is basically the opposite of what's claimed - when women like you, unwanted men will completely isolate you, and you end up a basement dweller. It's just like in the experiments with mice - healthy mice are not allowed near females, females refuse to have pups with the defective males.
+--- 15341092
+>>15340816 (OP)
+High IQ people that lead "normal" lifes have no problem with love. It's only people that participate in academia that fail, because academia is the field of losers and failures.
+--- 15341129
+>>15341054
+>the reason is YOU.
+Why do people post these mindbogglingly stupid takes? Is it trolling or is it really possible to write and solve a captcha with an IQ under 70? 
+
+If a significant portion of the populace fails at life, it's not a problem of the individuals. It's a problem of the society.
+--- 15341133
+>>15340816 (OP)
+Here's why intelligent people struggle with love!!!
+--- 15341161
+>>15341075
+>10000 retards couldn't build a the CPU in your PC but the combined intelligence of 10000 engineers can
+You're conflating intelligence with knowledge, assuming these two groups are living in a century where nobody invented CPUs yet it would be impossible for engineers to come up with such thing as well.
+
+But your idea still works, if the problem is to build something that resembles a computer the engineer group will take less time to find a solution as their problem solving system is far more efficient.
+--- 15341179
+>>15341034
+>High IQ people can't relate to normal people and can't partake on the collective intelligence.
+There is no such a thing.
+--- 15341187
+>>15341179
+Humanity thinks collectively as an immortal organism with thousands of years of memory
+--- 15341194
+>>15341075
+>combined intelligence of 10000 engineers can
+Engineers dont exist in a vacuum, engineers have to be social people to even get along in school and work. A bunch of retards are not what defines human collective intelligence, but all billions of people and their memories over thousands of generations. Thats how computer chips came to be, not because some gigagenius sprung up from the ground with an idea
+--- 15341204
+>>15341187
+No.
+More people can do more work, but that's it. You will always get limited to the smartest person you have.
+--- 15341212
+>>15341194
+There is no such a thing. People only learn what people smarter than them came up with, and that's it. You need smart people who understand how the knowledge was obtained and can keep it intact. You can't preserve knowledge indefinitely, it would decay over time.
+--- 15341215
+>>15341129
+>significant portion of the populace fails at life
+proof? what's the success criteria? who gathered statistics and how?
+--- 15341236
+>>15340816 (OP)
+off topic thread, even though it seems like everyone on this board pretentiously gives themselves full credit for being a genius, few if any are. /sci/ is a midwit board, stem is a midwit pursuit.
+--- 15341288
+>>15340816 (OP)
+No. The trade-offs are more than worth it. 
+>>15340829
+>Based on the power difference between a nuke and a bear
+Virtually every bear has access to bear-like strength. How many men have access to nukes?
+--- 15341293
+>>15341215
+Do you have any idea how retarded you actually are?
+--- 15341297
+>>15341212
+>People only learn what people smarter than them came up with, and that's it.
+A lot of dumb people can be smarter than single geniuses, as long as the work together which they do if they are friendly and sociable.
+--- 15341326
+>>15341297
+>A lot of dumb people can be smarter than single geniuses,
+No, they can't. It isn't just about thinkung faster or slower. A dumb person will never think on the level that smart people do. 
+
+>as long as the work together which they do if they are friendly and sociable.
+Friendly and sociable people generally fail at cooperating.
+--- 15341331
+>>15341326
+>A dumb person will never think on the level that smart people do.
+Not a single person, collectively they can. Smart people dont think on their own, they are dependent on lots of things they learn from their society before they can make their "contribution".
+--- 15341336
+>>15341326
+>Friendly and sociable people generally fail at cooperating.
+Much less than hostile individualists like neanderthals whos knowledge often died with them
+--- 15341349
+>>15341331
+>Not a single person, collectively they can.
+No, they just can't.
+>>15341336
+>Much less than hostile individualists like neanderthals whos knowledge often died with them
+Sociable people generally are individualists. They just won't cooperate, at all, except in negative terms.
+We don't know what hapoened to neanderthals.
+--- 15341503
+>>15341088
+>when women like you, unwanted men will completely isolate you, and you end up a basement dweller
+Uhuh
+sure
+
+that's it
+--- 15341547
+>>15340816 (OP)
+>Is high IQ an evolutionary disadvantage?
+Only if it doesn't lead to high iq people banding together to exterminate the low iq people. There was one man in history who tried doing this.
+--- 15341554
+>>15341054
+>>15341129
+I think you're both right to an extent. People who are part of the incel community have definitely crossed an event horizon into virulent misogynistic bullshit and delusional self-pity which is profoundly unattractive and self-sabotaging, and that's definitely their own doing. However, this could perhaps be mitigated if society was better at identifying and helping people with social troubles and didn't push toxic standards of masculinity regarding sexual achievement.
+--- 15341577
+>>15340816 (OP)
+Seems to be a negative correlation with IQ and fertility rates, which is the marker of Darwinian or biological fitness, the metric of evolutionary success.
+
+Though for pic related it makes sense, if love is based on finding commonality and shared values, and if the rule that 30 IQ points makes communication incomprehensible than those on tail end have less of a pool of people that speak their language.
+--- 15341683
+>>15341034
+i think you're onto something
+
+expertise can easily be decentralized, you don't need a personal immediate access to someone to get one. the cost of information is close to zero, it can be reproduced infinitely.
+--- 15341700
+>>15341034
+>Humans have collective intelligence, individual intelligence is obsolete.
+>High IQ people can't relate to normal people and can't partake on the collective intelligence.
+^This anon has eaten so many bugs, it has become one, and merged with the hive mind.
+--- 15342242
+>>15341503
+It is.
+--- 15342247
+>>15341554
+Being attractive to women means social trouble. You protected the "underdog" so much that it stamped everyone into the ground.
+--- 15342249
+>>15341683
+>googling musical theory makes me the next Alexi Laigo.
+--- 15342307
+>>15340999
+High IQ is good for the species but bad for the individual like suicide bomber ants.
+--- 15342387
+>>15341054
+Yea and plenty of people without legs are in the special olympics, that doesn't mean they don't have a disadvantage in sports.
+--- 15342791
+>>15342249
+he fucked, case in point
+--- 15342825
+>>15342307
+That's retarded. Ants don't reproduce the same way humans do. If the trait weren't individually advantageous, it wouldn't have become so prevalent. 
+
+I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to accept the obvious truth that intelligence has been advantageous as a rule throughout history, but hasn't been for the past however many decades due to contraceptives, cultural changes such as declining religiosity, and mechanisms of wealth redistribution that permit the fertility of people who would otherwise starve to death from poverty.
+--- 15342858
+>>15341554
+Female selection = toxic masculine standards. This problem is 100 % driven by feminism and sexual liberation. Which is why nothing will be done about it.
+--- 15342961
+>>15341054
+>the reason is YOU.
+If I am not a sum of my qualities (dick, IQ, height, nervous system, etc), then what am I?
+--- 15342987
+>>15340816 (OP)
+No because higher iq individuals are more likely to contribute meaningfully to society
+--- 15342997
+>>15340816 (OP)
+Yes, concerning the species, because individualism is at odds with communal, family, life. The species shoots off a normal distribution, with a nice bell curve, and there is an optimal amount of intelligence, not too costly but not so useless, that gets propagated through reproduction in a relatively slowly changing environment.
+
+So you essentially have to make a choice between the normie life and the great life. People who chose the normie life are better off this board.
+--- 15343223
+>>15342997
+>Yes, concerning the species, because individualism is at odds with communal, family, life.
+What point are you trying to make?
+--- 15343244
+>>15342247
+>Being attractive to women means social trouble.
+What?
+>>15342858
+Quite the contrary, the problem is not enough feminism and sexual liberation. We need to stop judging people by the amount of sex they have, whether it's a lot or a little, and allow men to be passive or shy or, in a word, feminine, without being condemned for it.
+--- 15343278
+>>15341006
+>>15341025
+Current dating apps don’t really work. Those apps are only profitable if they keep you in their system constantly looking for better options on the app, they won’t show you the best options because they don’t benefit from it. A nonprofit government funded app could work.
+--- 15343295
+>>15340829
+>it started in 1963 according to the data
+You mean around the time Eastern European jewish refugees from WWII began really getting established in US industry and academia? You're being pretty anti-Semitic
+--- 15343301
+>>15343278
+I've met girls through dating apps. Were they the best available? Fuck if I know but why should I care? If you walk into a random bar and hit it off with a girl, is she the best in town? Does she need to be?
+--- 15343307
+>>15343295
+>Based on the birth rates around the world...
+>IS THIS ABOUT THE US???
+Terminal yankee brain
+--- 15343332
+>>15343307
+Retard, this is an American board, so unless you state it clearly, you are assumed to be talking about America.
+--- 15343345
+>>15343332
+It was stated clearly. Twice, in fact, since I also explicitly pointed it out to you. Your egocentrism is simply too big to overcome.
+--- 15343355
+>>15343345
+wasn't even me. i didn't even read the thread. i just pointed out the obvious. yuropoors refuse to respect Amerika.
+--- 15343367
+>>15343355
+>i didn't even read
+That much is obvious, but then of course, you are American. I see nothing to respect.
+--- 15343393
+>>15343244
+>>Being attractive to women means social trouble.
+>What?
+1. Undesirable men want to fuck.
+2. If women pay attention to you, you are their problem.
+--- 15343396
+love is a concept created to mask the fear of dying alone
+--- 15343403
+>>15343393
+what
+--- 15343404
+>>15340816 (OP)
+Maybe because there's a belief that children of geniuses are fucking retarded. Maybe here's a good place to ask if it's true, caused by genes or neglet.
+--- 15343411
+>>15340829
+>soviets succeeded in making their smartest people into celebrities
+wtf are you talking about? some retards were made into heroes. Knorozov on the other hand was hardly ever known. I was shocked to know how little my compatriots know about that man when he was lauded in 2022 because it was his 100th anniversary.
+--- 15343418
+>>15343301
+People can be extremely picky, especially women. That’s what this whole thread is about.
+--- 15343422
+>>15341006
+If I was married, I would never be considered a genius, because I would have neither time nor power to succeed in what I'm great at. I allowed a loving woman to live at my place for half a year. Those six month were totally empty, all my interest came down to food and sex. And occasionally I found why: whence I got high and took a bath, a complex thought began its development only to crumble down when I was called from other room for silly question of what I was doing.
+--- 15343424
+>>15343418
+But it's not what that reply in particular was about.
+--- 15343564
+>>15342307
+No gene that's good for the species but bad for the individual survives, because evolution only selects for genes that are effective at replicating THEMSELVES. Read the selfish gene by Dawkins. Ants only work because the queen reproducing allows the workers to have 75% of their genes passed on instead 50% due to the way the chromosomes work
+--- 15343620
+>>15341577
+>if love is based on finding commonality and shared values, and if the rule that 30 IQ points makes communication incomprehensible than those on tail end have less of a pool of people that speak their language.
+
+Why is it easier for me to befriend a wild owl than it is for me to befriend a human female?
+--- 15343629
+>>15343244
+>the problem is not enough feminism and sexual liberation
+
+Women really should just be replaced with robots at this point. They're too retarded to be allowed to persist.
+--- 15343658
+>>15340816 (OP)
+People with average intelligence are generally more healthy and fit. Having high IQ is a statistical anomaly and it usually comes with an array of disadvantages.
+--- 15343667
+>>15343658
+It doesn't you are fucking worthless.
+--- 15343670
+>>15343403
+Undesirable men will cause you trouble when women like you too much.
+Do you pretend that you don't understand?
+--- 15343699
+>>15341554
+>People who are part of the incel community have definitely crossed an event horizon into virulent misogynistic bullshit and delusional self-pity
+muh personality, inkwell!
+--- 15343720
+>>15343629
+>That statue
+H-Hot
+--- 15343758
+>>15343670
+Look, if what you were saying made sense I could've figured it out, but since it has no relation to reality, you should've been clearer with your words. 
+
+Lmao you really think the alpha chad who slays bitches left and right gives a single fuck about what seething incels write about him behind his back? They have the opposite of "social troubles".
+--- 15343789
+>>15342307
+That's a modern perversion, not the natural state of things.
+>>15343564
+Termites are regular diploids.
+>>15343658
+False. Smart people are stronger and healthier. The brain is an organ too after all.
+--- 15343794
+>>15343758
+They can absolutely come up with lies that will cause you trouble..
+--- 15343802
+>>15343794
+>lol did you hear that creepy Anon who sits in the back of the class was trying to start a rumour about me?
+>lol what a tool
+--- 15343824
+>>15343244
+> we live in, possibly, the most feminist and sexual liberated age of all history
+>these population problems are also novel, founded in the same age
+>many sources point that, feminism, women education and sexual freedom is actually related to low level of births, and even "woke" sources can claim the relation of those with the phenomena of inceldom
+>having sex, in this age, is not correlated with more births, not even with more relationships ( condoms and social bullshit) 
+>the best idea that this retard can shit out of his mouth is "lmao we need more feminism and sexual liberation"
+--- 15343840
+>>15343824
+That's the mind of a woman for you.
+--- 15343842
+>>15343802
+Most people are very bad at telling the truth from lies. You may be able to tell, but that won't save you from all those who are not, and over time less and less people are willing to talk or be seen bear you. You will not know why.
+--- 15343846
+>>15343824
+Incels and "population problems" are quite unrelated. You're drawing a false equivalence and you have no awareness of the forces in play. All you can do is gesture vaguely at some possible correlations and throw up your hands. If, on the contrary, we look at the actual shape of society, we can see that men still experience pressure to be sexually voracious, which is not feminist but rather chauvinist, and it is this that is causing them distress in a society where women are independent and free to choose their sexual partners. And of course, if sex wasn't still put up on a pedestal (again, the opposite of sexual liberation) it would be a lot easier for everyone to have sex and at the same time also a lot less necessary.
+--- 15343863
+>>15343842
+I'm not too worried about the social clout of incels. But perhaps you can give me an example of this happening in reality?
+--- 15343959
+>>15343846
+ok, lets go
+>Incels and "population problems" are quite unrelated.
+yes, i never claimed that those two were related, i claim that, both of those two, are related with feminism, wich is true. The more educated women are, and the more laboral option they have, the less children they will wanto to have, it shouldnt be nothing negative at first, but it just how it is. The incel phenomena originated not only in the sexual rejection, but also in the new positive conditions that women have gain, that many men see as unfair, more each day. 
+>All you can do is gesture vaguely at some possible correlations and throw up your hands. nice words you dipshit
+> we can see that men still experience pressure to be sexually voracious, which is not feminist but rather chauvinist, and it is this that is causing them distress in a society where women are independent and free to choose their sexual partners.
+You are being disingenous or beign retarded here. We can agreed, that social expectations, many that originate in sexism and "macho culture" cause distress in men, but, the election of sexual partner is nothing cultural, attraction factors are natural, in the same way we cant blame homosexual males to be horny about masculine physiognomy, we cant blame women to have a set of features that they find attractive. Even in radical feminist spaces like FDS, they cant negate that exist a set of characteristics that are attractive in a male. So, while you are correct that the distress came from a society where women are independent and free to choose, is not the standar that distress them, but the impotence of dont have options like other times (or even spaces), where having a job and a shack was enough to if not being a playboy, secure a wife, turns out, that females have a natural sexual advantage, like the phrase goes "women have sex with who they want and men have sex with who they can "
+--- 15343986
+>woe is me, muh iq is too big, its so huge!!
+but also
+>basic problem of life that average people can figure out, but i can't
+nice self-assigned, imaginary and plainly nonexistent intellectual superiority 
+>my iq is 200, but 95% of it dark iq which i can't provide any evidence for
+cringe coping mechanism, its fortunate for the rest of us that all the self-identified geniuses acquire atrocious personality disorders that lead them to being genetic dead ends.
+--- 15343991
+>>15343863
+I'm saying the whole thing is turned on it's head. It isn't "creepy incels" who gets socially isolated.
+--- 15344021
+>>15343840
+truly a mystery my dude
+>>15343959
+to finish the idea
+>if sex wasn't still put up on a pedestal (again, the opposite of sexual liberation) it would be a lot easier for everyone to have sex and at the same time also a lot less necessary.
+again, you are giving too much weight in social conditions while ignoring natural ones
+The shit you are proposing, is like saying that to normalizing alcohol consume will erase the effect that alcohol produces. Sex can be considered for some, as taboo, can be considered as something special, even as something mundane, but sex cant be denied of the effect that cause in the society, because a core part of any affective relationship is the sex, even in societies where "one-night stands" are generalized, the individuals still look for full-time relations. "Sex cant be simple put out of a pedestal"
+--- 15344045
+>>15343846
+>if sex wasn't still put up on a pedestal (again, the opposite of sexual liberation
+The number one insult women use is "virgin" followed close second by "incel". Sex is all women talk about. It is entirely how women gauge a person's value. This sex-crazed society is 1000 % a result of sexual liberation and toxic femininity.
+--- 15344058
+>>15344045
+A lot of women are not feminists, yes!
+>toxic femininity
+lol you have no idea what you're talking about
+--- 15344062
+>>15343959
+>>15344021
+If you're going to write walls of text you better l2English
+--- 15344068
+>>15343991
+Well, in the sense that toxic internet communities are a kind of social interaction I suppose you're not entirely incorrect. Incels aren't isolated in the true sense of the word. But still a lot more than socially well-adjusted people who have regular sex.
+--- 15344151
+>>15343846
+You're a completely delusional moron and a good example of why women should never have been given rights.
+--- 15344183
+>>15343620
+It seems you have a rare gift of owl whisperer
+--- 15344189
+>>15344151
+>Top left
+That's just basic probability
+>Top right
+Again, seems to make sense. "Stable marriages" is very suggestive but the caption makes it clear that it could just mean that women who have sex outside of marriage have no desire to marry (or, conversely, women who don't want to marry still have sex)
+>Bottom left
+Could be inverting cause and effect. Women who are unhappy in their relationships keep searching for different relationships. Ironically, if you convince an unhappy woman that a relationship is the key to happiness, and then she doesn't find it in one relationship, she's likely to keep trying. They probably have more deep-seated issues which aren't directly relationship-related, though.
+>Bottom right
+Same story as the previous one. In fact the titles are virtually synonymous. This is just padding.
+
+tl;dr your graphs are deliberately misleading and you are bad at interpreting statistics
+--- 15344190
+>>15344058
+lol you have no idea what you're talking about
+--- 15344193
+>>15344190
+You'd already demonstrated that "no u" is your only comeback when you came out with the utterly meaningless "toxic femininity". This is just belabouring the point.
+--- 15344225
+>>15344189
+>tl;dr your graphs are deliberately misleading and you are bad at interpreting statistics
+
+This is clearly coping and projection for the fact that promiscuity is clearly unhealthy and damaging for individuals and society.
+
+It's like listening to an alcoholic explain why his liver failure has nothing to do with his drinking.
+--- 15344226
+>>15344193
+Every single point you've made so far has been btfo'd by multiple people, and you still hand wave about toxic masculinity and about how MORE feminism would fix the issues brought about by feminism and toxic femininity. There really is no point in talking to you. You're a religious zealot with literally zero ability to reason or introspect. All you do is engage in sophistry, and you keep throwing around bullshit until there is so much of it that nobody cares to humour you anymore and you can smugly declare yourself the winner.
+--- 15344230
+>>15344183
+That Owl makes way more interesting conversation than any birthing person.
+--- 15344245
+>>15344225
+>This is clearly coping and projection for the fact that promiscuity is clearly unhealthy and damaging for individuals and society.
+Ah yes, "clearly", except of course society has always had unhealthy and damaged people and in the past there were just a lot more unhappy marriages. As well as husbands "falling down the stairs". 
+>>15344226
+>Every single point you've made so far has been btfo'd by multiple people
+I suppose it may look that way if you're intellectually dishonest and predisposed to agreeing with things that confirm your biases. I have explained very clearly how the problems I indicated are responsible for this situation and all you can do is go
+>Toxic masculinity? But what about... toxic FEMININITY? lol
+and act like you're being clever. You're a child. A mental midget. And projecting hard.
+--- 15344291
+>>15344151
+Do you have the data for men?
+--- 15344339
+>>15344230
+Hoot Hoot!
+
+I'll just chalk it up to modernity paired with the high need for social conformity in the female species. Individualism for men has lead to diverse lifestyle choices, Individualism for women has started a war over what the optimal female is. This has lead to only a narrow band of males being tolerated by wombmen
+--- 15344469
+>>15344225
+>promiscuity is clearly unhealthy and damaging for individuals and society
+That's just at this point in time. For most of human history it was deadly. A woman who fucks a lot with many different partners ran the risk of pregnancy and therefore death, at the very least damage.
+--- 15344639
+>>15344245
+>except of course society has always had unhealthy and damaged people and in the past there were just a lot more unhappy marriages
+
+You just keep proving yourself to be an absolute retard with no discernment. Yes, there have always been some unhealthy people in every society, but some societies in history have been far healthier and more stable than others. You ignore all the detail of history to justify being a vapid slut today.
+
+>>15344291
+ I do not. Though I recall it being fairly similar. Promiscuity isn't good for men either. 
+
+>I have explained very clearly how the problems I indicated are responsible for this situation
+
+You haven't explained shit. You asserted that the causes of today's problems are the solution and ignored all evidence to the contrary. The only reason you're still even alive is because men protect you from your own stupidity constantly.
+--- 15344684
+>>15344339
+Modern women are particularly bad because they've grown up in a society that favors them in every possible way, while teaching them that they are actually victims.
+
+This leads to them being incredibly spoiled and entitled, while also delusional and insane. We have all sorts of evolutionary hold overs from a time when women had to be protected, but now live in a time where women are the greatest threat. 
+
+But I'm not even sure if a better culture would really fix women. It could make them a lot more tolerable, I'm sure. But whether some of the underlying problems can be addressed so simply doesn't seem clear. 
+
+Owls on the other hand have literally evolved for conversation. They live long lives and hunting mice only takes a small portion of the night. So they literally have evolved to just spend most of the night chatting. Makes them superb conversationalists.
+--- 15344779
+>>15344684
+One day i'll find a woman that is against fiat debt slavery and not haremed out by her own smartphone.
+
+perhaps own day you'll find owlchan
+--- 15344985
+>>15344068
+No. I mean that outright repulsive creepy people have girlfrieds (who only tolerate their bizarre behavior) and social life. Outright sexual deviancy is expected and tolerated. 
+Want a stable job and a family? An extremist, and a threat to society. Fell in love with someone? Dangerous pervert, stalker, she needs to be isolated an d explained that she was raped (even when you didn't have sex)
+--- 15345407
+>>15344639
+>some societies in history have been far healthier and more stable than others
+Yes, and modern society mogs them all. lol @ just repeating the same shit in a new infographic (full of misspellings) and pretending you got something new to say.
+>You haven't explained shit.
+I have explicitly explained the direct logical connections between societal attitudes and their consequences. All you have is correlations and implications. I already pointed out to you, from your graphs, we can just as well conclude that unhappy people tend not to stay married, rather than that people who stay married are happier, but you can't even admit that possibility because it doesn't gel with your foregone conclusion. You have to pretend your data is unequivocal, when it isn't. So when you accuse me of ignoring things, that's projection. 
+
+Purely as an aside, it's interesting how little it takes to be deemed a woman, by the exact sort of people who would usually insist that there is nothing that could ever make me a woman.
+--- 15345411
+>>15344985
+You are absolutely delusional, my friend, and I can only assume you're a repulsive creep with zero self-awareness.
+--- 15346204
+>>15345407
+>Yes, and modern society mogs them all.
+
+Except female unhappiness and anti-depressant use is at an all time high. Once again, you ignore reality to reinforce your delusions.
+
+>repeating the same shit in a new infographic
+Scientifically illiterate. It shows different data about history not present in the first. You once again demonstrate your inability to process data. It was apt to the changing trends in society. 
+
+
+>I have explicitly explained the direct logical connections between societal attitudes and their consequences.
+
+No, you simply asserted a fantasy world where things work in the opposite way to the data. 
+
+> All you have is correlations and implications.
+
+And you have no data whatsoever. You simply have bitchy attitude and no substance. You actually mock data and present none yourself. You are demonstrating how females are a detriment to science.
+
+>we can just as well conclude that unhappy people tend not to stay married, rather than that people who stay married are happier, but you can't even admit that possibility because it doesn't gel with your foregone conclusion. 
+
+I can admit the possibility, but see no reason to even acknowledge it as you simply, once again, assert it contrary to available evidence. You admit STD's is just an obvious logical consequence. So do you think people with more STD's are happier? Do you think it's possible that STD's impact a person's health and well-being in a way that may make them and their future partners unhappy? 
+
+You ignore the obvious, because you're a dumb cunt. 
+
+>it's interesting how little it takes to be deemed a woman, by the exact sort of people who would usually insist that there is nothing that could ever make me a woman.
+
+Here a woman doesn't understand memes. It's easy to tell you're a woman by your general lack of sentience.
+--- 15346490
+>>15345411
+No.
+--- 15346697
+>>15346204
+>Except female unhappiness and anti-depressant use is at an all time high.
+Do you have a single fact to back that up?
+>It shows different data about history not present in the first.
+But tells us nothing relevant. The argument comes after "why does this matter" which presents the same argument as before, which means if you were wrong before you're still wrong.
+>No, you simply asserted a fantasy world where things work in the opposite way to the data. 
+Not at all. I presented an entire plausible alternative interpretation of the same data, which you then deny for no reason. For someone who pretends to hold data in the utmost regard you are very careless with it.
+>And you have no data whatsoever.
+I have yours. You fail to understand that it is not your data I am mocking, but the incredibly transparent way you are pushing a narrative by presenting your data in a selective and leading manner.
+>So do you think people with more STD's are happier?
+I dunno, are you suggesting that incels are actually the happiest people on Earth? That's what your data suggest right? 
+>Here a woman doesn't understand memes. It's easy to tell you're a woman by your general lack of sentience.
+Ah, I see, strict gender essentialism is just a meme, you really are a social constructivist but just pretending otherwise for the lulz right?
+--- 15346874
+>>15346697
+>Do you have a single fact to back that up?
+
+I'm done replying to you. 
+
+You don't care about anything but being a slut. This is why you deserve to be beheaded. 
+
+https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/09/04/Antidepressant-use-rising-in-US-mostly-in-women-CDC-says/7341599224503/
+--- 15347575
+>>15346874
+Did you know my neighbour has a magic umbrella? I have the data right here: every single time I see him outside with the umbrella open, it rains. But when he doesn't have it, the weather's good! Wow! 
+
+You keep committing this same fallacy. In this case, greater antidepressent use is not necessarily an indicator of greater unhappiness, it could just as easily be an indicator of more people getting help for depression that previously went undiagnosed, meaning people are actually happier now. In fact, if someone told you they started taking antidepressants, it would be ridiculous to conclude that they were happy before and unhappy now. 
+
+Same for your main argument: the data simply says there is a correlation between the happiness of the participant and the stability of the marriage. You conclude that this means a stable marriage is the key to happiness, when arguably, it makes more sense to say that happiness is the key to a stable marriage.A happy, healthy marriage can contribute to happiness, sure, but that is a meaningless tautology. Would I be happy in a happy marriage? Yes, by definition. Would I be happy in any random marriage? No. Would I be happy if I were happily unmarried? Yes, by definition. You are missing the forest for the trees. Mistaking the map for the territory. Surely you would not say that if you were married to me, for instance, it would make either of us happy? Or would you rather we divorced and find a happier relationship? In our particular case, then, staying married would be a choice leading to profound unhappiness. But you would instead prefer to look at "the data" and insist there is an at least 55% chance that we're happy and that it will increase the longer we stay married and be satisfied with that. Poor fool. 
+
+>I'm done replying to you.
+Because, strictly speaking, you have no reply anyway. 
+>You don't care about anything but being a slut.
+I'm flattered, thanks.
+--- 15347578
+>>15346874
+>>15347575
+Anyway, I'm still curious to know why incels aren't the happiest people on Earth, having the lowest probability of STDs and the fewest non-marital partners one could possibly have. The data don't lie!
+
+Maybe it'd comfort you to know that it was a man who outwitted you though. But I'll be sure to let my trans friends know that all it really takes to be a woman is to go on 4chan and try to talk some sense into a cocksure statisticaster.
+--- 15347580
+>>15340816 (OP)
+All studies literally show the opposite: high intelligence correlates also with high social intellligence and the ability to maintain relationships.
+
+Only "smart, but lazy" tier copers try to imply otherwise.
+--- 15347586
+>>15340816 (OP)
+Superficial / materialistic psychotards and virtue signaling lemmings seem to be doing pretty well with their evolutionary prerogative.
+People with ideas and notions that don't quite fall within what is considered the acceptable mainstream discourse ... not so much.
+Just my observation
+--- 15347594
+>>15347580
+I suppose not in the west where retards rule.
+--- 15348171
+>>15347578
+>Anyway, I'm still curious to know why incels aren't the happiest people on Earth
+Must be because of their toxic masculinity. These are the most masculine men ever to walk on earth, after all.
+--- 15348319
+>>15348171
+See, you simply have no idea what the words you use mean. That was obvious when you thought "toxic femininity" was a clever comeback even though it's utterly meaningless, but you clearly have on idea what people mean by toxic masculinity in the first place. Toxic masculinity refers to the expectations placed upon men which lead to self-destructive and often contradictory behaviour. Toxic masculinity ties manhood to sexual conquests, a domineering attitude, misogyny and disdain for femininity, the shunning of emotional displays other than anger, and virulent homophobia, to name a few things. Of course incels are quite lacking in masculinity in a few key areas, but that is precisely their problem. They feel the pressure to be masculine, and so they overcompensate. They pile on the performative misogyny and fantasise about rape and violent revenge in an effort to attain some measure of masculinity. They are deeply, deeply concerned with convoluted made-up male hierarchies, with testosterone, with pick-up artistry, with putting down "feminine" displays, with a natural patriarchal order etc. All of this stems from their own warped sense of masculinity and their inability to live up to it, and that is why it is toxic. 
+
+Meanwhile "toxic femininity" as I gather from this thread just means "women are sluts and whores and they won't fuck me".
+--- 15348706
+>>15348319
+All of that word-vomit, and you only manage to come up with "nuh-uh, these standards imposed by women onto men are actually toxic masculinity". That's toxic femininity. 
+
+Toxic masculinity, the way you see it, is about you and your ideology having been in power for decades and everything going to shit, but you need some way to strawman the blame away. That's why you engage in this mindbogglingly paradoxical display of retardation, where you pretend that problems brought about by feminism could be solved by MORE feminism.
+--- 15348727
+>>15348706
+>these standards imposed by women
+I guess it's useless trying to talk to you because even when no one mentions anything remotely to do with women, you have to find some way to make it about women. 
+>That's toxic femininity.
+That's still a meaningless buzzword. 
+>Toxic masculinity, the way you see it, is about you and your ideology having been in power for decades and everything going to shit
+Toxic masculinity has everything to do with anti-feminist attitudes and "traditional" masculinity, so no, the opposite. But I already told you that. You're just averse to reading. Maybe you feel it's unmasculine?
+--- 15348740
+>>15347580
+No it doesn't. Intelligence has nothing to do with personality.
+--- 15348763
+>>15348706
+All she has is word vomit. It's why women shouldn't be allowed on 4chan. 
+
+She's just an utter waste of time, as are most women.
+--- 15348794
+>>15348727
+>I guess it's useless trying to talk to you
+Do you have any idea how useless it is to talk to you? I can quote any part of the word-vomit you come up with, and I realise that you really didn't say anything. There is nothing to respond to. It all boils down to just "men and masculinity bad, women and femininity good". Throw some smugness and women's studies buzzwords in the mix and all that remains is to click "post".
+>That's still a meaningless buzzword.
+So is toxic masculinity. The only difference is that you circle jerk in far wider circles drawing legitimacy form systemic power.
+>Toxic masculinity has everything to do with anti-feminist attitudes and "traditional" masculinity, so no, the opposite. But I already told you that. You're just averse to reading. Maybe you feel it's unmasculine?
+Yet another toxic feminine attack against masculinity. Feminism is rotting the society from the inside, and you're framing anti-feminism as some sort of a crime, and you continue pretending we just need more of it.
+--- 15349021
+>>15341577
+>Lynn
+--- 15349582
+>>15348740
+>Intelligence has nothing to do with personality.
+If does correlate with emotional intelligence though
+--- 15351728
+>>15348794
+>Do you have any idea how useless it is to talk to you?
+There is a lot you could learn from me, actually, if you weren't a biased brainlet. 
+>It all boils down to just "men and masculinity bad, women and femininity good"
+See, you didn't read shit. I explained specific aspects of masculinity that are bad and why, and I mentioned nothing about femininity, in fact.
+>So is toxic masculinity.
+Except I can and have explained it, several times over.
+>Yet another toxic feminine attack against masculinity
+Yet more evidence that you think "toxic femininity" is "women being mean to me".
+>Feminism is rotting the society from the inside
+Unproven assertion
+>and you're framing anti-feminism as some sort of a crime
+I've explained exactly how anti-feminism is hurting people. 
+
+You are coping poorly with being BTFO by someone you insist on calling a woman. Wouldn't it have been easier on your ego to just not make that assumption in the first place?
+--- 15351746
+>>15348794
+>>15351728
+>I explained specific aspects of masculinity that are bad and why
+Note: I specifically do not mean that men and masculinity are irredeemable and to be unilaterally condemned. Just specific conceptions of masculinity that are demonstrably harmful. You need to learn some nuance instead of getting offended and jumping to conclusions.
+--- 15352088
+>>15351728
+>>15351746
+Many have already pointed out to you how feminism is causing irreparable damage, but you just keep dismissing it as toxic masculinity. "We need more feminism! Our faith is not pure enough!" It's obviously pointless talking to you. A Zealot cannot be reasoned with. You've spent so much time circle jerking and getting indoctrinated in the sociology department that your ability to absorb real information has been wrecked just like western societies have been. Feminism's ability to destroy all things is truly a wonder to behold.
+--- 15352155
+>>15349582
+There's no such thing as emotional intelligence. That's a buzzword that normies like to use to cope with not actually being or needing intelligence.
+--- 15352160
+>>15340816 (OP)
+Like all "evolutions" the IQ variable will get too high at some point. But it's the average of the gene pool that matters. Also note natural systems tend to seek equilibrium. This "lonely genius" problem could be nature realizing it's gone too far and reversing that evolutionary variable. There must be a pressure and process by which the finch population STOPS growing it's average beak size. Eventually a finch with a beak TOO BIG shows up and maybe eats less and doesn't attract a mate. Also note the majestic ocean shark or the killer crocodile. Both largely unchanged or unevolved for millions of years. Perhaps Homo Sapien will continue to evolve it's brain functions to extreme IQ levels and brain powers, who knows. It's also possible that they settle out at a base average IQ in 50,000 years. 
+
+>Is high IQ an evolutionary disadvantage?
+Time will tell, I vote we end up as psychic space brains with FTL spaceships.
+--- 15352605
+>>15352088
+>Many have already pointed out to you how feminism is causing irreparable damage
+You haven't pointed out anything. You have ambiguous data that your own faith, ironically, demands you to interpret in a single way. You have also not said anything at all on the topic of toxic masculinity. It was literally like
+>The pressure on men to be very promiscuous is causing a crisis of masculinity in men who are romantically unsuccessfuly and they lash out as a result
+>Have you considered though... that feminism makes women unhappy because divorce???
+>Not that it has anything to do with the topic but have you considered that maybe people who are unhappy in their relationship get divorces?
+>OMG YOU ARE A CULTIST WHAT IT THIS WORD SALAD HELP ME NIGGERMAN AAHHHHHH
+--- 15354203
+>>15341503
+As a high attractiveness and intelligence male this is 100% my experience, my dude.
+
+Even mediocre men become absolutely resentful of me immediately. I don't even need to talk to them, they just know deep in their bones that their wives or girlfreinds would leave them for me in a heartbeat. 
+
+As a result, I have to be very careful about how I select friends.
+--- 15354265
+>>15352160
+My guess is that intelligence growth is actually cyclic with a slight average upward trend.
+
+Why?
+Perhaps you're right and people just get too smart for their society. That means that what makes them inclined for being smart genetically is selected against.
+But as society catches up smart people are briefly selected for again before being selected against once they out pace everyone else, and so on.
+--- 15354271
+>>15354203
+Nah
+It's just that you want attractive friends and are making exuses that make you feel like you're not a bad person.
+Women use the same mental gymnatics.
+Btw it's fine to be selective about who you like without feeling guilty.
+--- 15354276
+>>15340816 (OP)
+Is that Naomi Woods?
+--- 15354298
+>>15354271
+Why don't you kill yourself?
+--- 15354301
+>>15354271
+Not him, BTW.
+--- 15354316
+>>15354265
+Your views are distorted by growing up in the jewish hell. Jews built a world where people fight for their life with each other, which means that the best get destroyed, as every sane person wants to ally with someone worse than them, and destroy those who would outcompete them.
+--- 15354352
+>>15354271
+Buddy, the difference between the average person and me is bigger than the difference between Koko the gorilla and them.
+
+Normal people see me as some kind of fucking alien. It doesn't help that I'm in a profession with slightly above average intelligence demographics. People absolutely hate me if I don't pretend to be normal.
+--- 15354465
+>>15354352
+Patrick?
+--- 15354522
+>>15354352
+nigger they hate you because you use racial slurs casually
+--- 15354540
+>>15354522
+>>15354465
+What is even the point of bumping your own thread like this? Get a job, faggot.
+--- 15354592
+>>15341034
+>Humans have collective intelligence, individual intelligence is obsolete.
+Have you spent much time on Twitter? How about Instagram or Reddit? Social media, for the first time in history, has given us a glimpse into the collective unconscious. We can read people's thoughts in real-time. Their honest, (mostly) unfiltered thoughts.
+Most people are fucking retarded. Even the average people and midwits are fucking retarded and incapable of critical thought, situational analysis, and the ability to parse information from multiple perspectives at the same time. Those just so happen to be the skills a good scientist needs, and guess what - most people don't have them.
+The "collective intelligence of humanity" is a complete and utter meme. Scientific, technological, and cultural progress has and always will be driven by a small number of geniuses.
+--- 15354681
+>>15340816 (OP)
+It's relative to the situation. 
+Most of life's discussion is a rhetorical question. Most of life, the best suited is like a cop - a midwit. Smart enough to follow the rules, too dumb to be creative. 
+If you have a nurturing environment and good parents, or you live in a hellish environment - either one of these two extremes it is an advantage to be high IQ. 
+If you live in the middle where most live, it is of little advantage and can be a detriment at times
+--- 15354708
+>>15341054
+what if i am all three
+--- 15354792
+>>15347578
+This has to be destiny or vaush, I never get as angry reading retarded crap like this. Only vaush could write some retarded shit like this and I know he surfs 4chan too for a fact that disgusting orange beard.
+--- 15355178
+>>15340816 (OP)
+No. Morals and high IQ are though.
+--- 15355223
+Yes.
+--- 15355231
+>>15341006
+the fact that women don't select for intelligence as a major consideration is telling. Remember it's only been factored as a .3 correlate for life success.
+--- 15355236
+>>15354792
+he actually had tried crashing some threads on pol. Of course the Race Debaters™ sponsored by youtube algos have zero effect on the discourse happening there
+--- 15355478
+>>15354203
+... and you're a basement dweller?
+--- 15355480
+>>15343332
+It's a japanese board, you mongrel yank
+--- 15355490
+>>15354352
+I seriously do not believe you.
+--- 15355502
+>>15354792
+You get angry because your kneejerk reaction is to disagree but you can't formulate a refutation, so you experience cognitive dissonance.
+--- 15355728
+>>15347580
+any ideas on why IQ is negatively correlated with fertility?
+--- 15357498
+>>15355728
+Because men don't want to date women smarter than them
+--- 15357858
+>>15340816 (OP)
+clearly no
+--- 15358098
+>>15355502
+he gets angry because you keep repeating the same retarded nonsense no matter how many times you get disproven and it's fucking pointless talking to you
+--- 15358123
+>>15358098
+That's projection on your part, but I'm not as short-tempered as you are. I have proven over and over again how your interpretation of statistics is biased and simplistic and all you can do is seethe about it.
+--- 15358139
+Honestly though if you see there's a correlation between happiness and stable relationships and therefore conclude that people who are unhappy in their relationships need to stick it out as long as possible and never separate, you need a lesson in statistics. It's like that meme:
+>The headline: positive correlation found between horseback riding and life expectancy
+>The implication: regular horseback riding will keep you healthier
+>The likely reality: people who can afford a horse can afford healthcare
+--- 15358224
+>>15358123
+I'm not the anon you talked to and you haven't proven anything, you're literally just making shit up to avoid admitting that you're wrong
+--- 15358494
+>>15357498
+this could play a role. Also women we label as high-IQ are often already autistic/business-driven. We don't tend to randomly label a trad or working class 'Suzy Homemaker' as a high IQ. We give that label to rich kids or daughters of wealthy jews/asians/whites/indians etc...
+Preggo and baby is bad if getting a doctorate in university and career. 
+For highIQ men there seems a less effect, but the same general idea (focus business until at least 30+).
+--- 15358500
+>>15358139
+>>The likely reality: people who can afford a horse can afford healthcare
+good post
+--- 15358632
+>>15358494
+any more info on high-IQ women being business-driven? I knew one like this but didn't made the connection at the time
+--- 15359665
+>>15358224
+I'm not making up any more shit than any of you. Which I've pointed out repeatedly. I give an alternative, arguably more plausible explanation for your data and you go
+>YOU'RE JUST MAKING SHIT UP!!!!
+But so are you when you insist that your half-arsed hypothesis is the only possible explanation of the data. That you don't understand this after being repeatedly told about this means you should all stay far from data.
+--- 15360382
+>>15359665
+As I've already said, you have more than clearly demonstrated that talking to you is pointless, so I am not gonna argue with you. I'm just here to let you know that you're a faggot.

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+-----
+--- 15342195
+What mental illness causes pleasure in the body? There is none. This condition isn't neurological either as shown by the imaging. What could it possibly be when there's no explanation, physical or mental for it?
+--- 15342291
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthymic_temperament
+--- 15342321
+>>15342195 (OP)
+hypersexuality disorder
+persistent genital arousal disorder
+substance use disorders
+cyclothymia
+manic euphoria
+--- 15344812
+help
+--- 15345860
+>>15342321
+>manic euphoria
+
+thats insanity
+
+>bipolar disorder
+--- 15346150
+>>15345860
+isn't bipolar disorder more about having feel good mood instead of intense topical bodily pleasure?
+--- 15347239
+the symptoms are something that hasn't existed before?
+--- 15347262
+>>15342195 (OP)
+epilepsy can cause pleasurable dreamlike sensations before/during the seizure which are typically followed by IRL memory loss
+
+t. epileptic
+--- 15347273
+>>15347262
+should it show on eeg scan? can you describe the dreamlike state more?
+--- 15347283
+>>15347273
+It is a type of localized seizure which typically/eventually spread to the majority of the brain or hemisphere and becomes a "typical" seizure.
+
+The best way I describe it to people is a felling of deja vu, as if reliving a happy childhood memory, but nothing in particular -- just nice general feelings as if waking up to a warm sunrise with something fun to look forward to.
+
+https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/temporal-lobe-seizure/symptoms-causes/syc-20378214 has a pretty okay description imo
+
+They would presumably show up on EEG if a seizure occurred while hooked in and recording? but that's pretty unlikely at least for me. One of the features which distinguishes disabling (as in take-your-drivers-license) seizures as opposed to 'benign' ones, is an EEG which appears normal and clear
+--- 15347305
+>>15347283
+if EEG doesn't exclude all the seizures how can neurologist decide that the symptoms aren't a seizure
+--- 15348926
+help. there's no explanation for this pleasure that may come in short impulses/twitches
+--- 15349316
+>>15342195 (OP)
+>pleasure in the body
+Are you talking about asmr?
+--- 15349335
+>>15349316
+asmr might be similar sensations
+--- 15349372
+these symptoms haven't existed for anyone before apparently should bring forth some interest
+--- 15350914
+anybody has any idea?
+--- 15350923
+>>15348926
+This. If there were such a thing, we wouldn't recognize it as mental illness.
+Unless it somehow predisposed someone to danger.
+--- 15351022
+>>15346150
+Bipolar is more about having depression and ptsd and coping with it poorly
+--- 15351028
+>>15350923
+if it's one of a kind condition how can you categorize it as mental?
+>>15351022
+was referring more to the pleasurable feelings in its case
+--- 15351034
+>>15351028
+>if it's one of a kind condition how can you categorize it as mental?
+What do you mean by mental and by one of a kind?
+--- 15351058
+>>15342291
+>tfw i have the exactly opposite personality
+Why god.
+--- 15351805
+>>15351034
+>one of a kind
+symptoms that have correspondence to known neurological or mental illness
+>mental
+>If there were such a thing, we wouldn't recognize it as mental illness.
+I guess you should be answering what you mean by mental
+--- 15352062
+>>15351805
+Mental illness is traceable to neurological illness. One of a kind neurological illness is a weird expression.
+They are rare at best, in which case a physiological dysfunction should be identifiable. I just don't think we would investigate this, unless it causes harm.
+--- 15352071
+>>15342195 (OP)
+Isn't there a woman that cums pretty much all day unwillingly
+--- 15352133
+>>15352062
+>Mental illness is traceable to neurological illness
+This is not, in general, true, it's a fallacious assumption that while accurate in certain circumstances such as addiction is naively believed to apply to many other conditions in which no such link can be traced
+--- 15352158
+>>15352062
+what are the ways to indentify a physiological dysfunction? for example for tourette's
+--- 15352167
+Being happy in this inhumane society is sign of mental illness. How can you be happy when every day is just torture and humiliation?
+--- 15353738
+>>15351805
+*no correspondence
+--- 15356054
+>>15352167
+might be but this thread was more about pleasure of the body instead of happiness
+--- 15356910
+>>15352062
+>I just don't think we would investigate this
+Sounds like a failure on medicine's part
+--- 15356963
+If we consider there are mental aspects on the symptoms then what could be a cause for pleasure occurring in such a way in a mental illness if mental illnesses in general are claimed to have the opposite condition?
+--- 15359459
+any ideas?
+--- 15359591
+>>15356963
+Especially this one. How can an opposite symptom to anhedonia happen with a mental illness as bodily pleasure coming in "twitches"? There's no description of such a symptom to have existed

sci/15343107.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,715 @@
+-----
+--- 15343107
+/mg/- mathematics general
+Previously >>15324994 →
+
+Golomb edition.
+Talk math(s)!
+--- 15343123
+I'm at Calculus 1 and already hate it.
+--- 15343145
+>>15343123
+go compute some derivatives whitey
+--- 15343262
+What's the end game of the mathematician? Surely there'll be a point where there's nothing left to discover or discoveries become so few and far between that people won't fund the research. Then what?
+--- 15343276
+>>15343262
+>Surely there'll be a point where there's nothing left to discover or discoveries become so few and far between that people won't fund the research
+The amount of discoveries per year is increasing rather than decreasing right now so there is no reason to believe that will happen during the next 100 years.
+--- 15343299
+>>15343276
+Yeah I just meant at any point in time in the future. Even 1000 years. Will mathematics become more like people just learning math and then doing client based work making models for people? I guess the same thing could happen with physics too but with that there's experiments that we probably won't be able to run for many thousands of years so maybe they'll have more time
+--- 15343370
+What do mathematicians even do? Like, you majored in math, what do you do? What is the point if you're not applying that to another science like Physics, Economics, Computer science, etc...
+Maybe there IS something there and i'm just ignorant because of my limited knowledge of the more advanced math concepts?
+--- 15343419
+>>15343370
+You're probably just bad, but don't worry, niggers trannies faggots and other mutants were never successful they just liked being called a "scientist"
+--- 15343463
+>>15343419
+>Brings up niggers, trannies, faggots and other mutants out of nowhere.
+This is what i get for asking a genuine question in /sci/?
+--- 15343469
+>>15343370
+>science like Economics
+--- 15343473
+>>15343463
+Just trolling, all geniuses do that for the keks tranny
+--- 15343480
+>>15343469
+What is it, then?
+--- 15343727
+>>15343370
+Solve math problems under a commonly accepted proof system. The area of math is immense and is sometimes built up to help answer questions from the other sciences. Sometimes your scientist needs 'new' math to push their feeling into reality and you end up with people like Shannon, von neumann, and Einstein. Alternative you have savants like Lagrange, Galois, Grothendieck, and Perelman who make large contributions to math and the contributions aren't applied to other sciences for potentially centuries. Finally you have your average mathematical Joe who doesn't end up contributing but finds a job being a numbers consultant to kids or the c-suite.
+
+Generally all other sciences use math as a grounding to perform scientific experiments. When teaching other sciences, they will skip over the math technicalities as much as possible till graduate school, then it depends on research focus.
+--- 15343786
+>>15343370
+fucking isn't just about the babies
+--- 15343871
+>>>/a/251145508
+--- 15343890
+>>15343727
+So knowing the Whatever Conjecture has no practical use if you're not the one to solve it?
+>>15343786
+Yeah, but who's gonna pay you to fuck all day? What does your fucking contribute to society as a whole?
+--- 15343910
+>>15343871
+Lim f(x) = Death
+x>∞
+--- 15343935
+>>15343890
+This, his baby might actually contribute to society only after 18 years (obviously) while you yourself can do research that might as well contribute even more than this offspring.
+It's not a one sided coin and people sometimes overlook this, some research is important in the long term and is useful
+--- 15343941
+>>15343935
+I still have no idea of what you fuckers do all day.
+--- 15344008
+>/sfg/ launched 7 hours ago - 265 posts
+>/mg/ launched 5 hours ago - 20 posts
+but also theres threads like
+>>15342472 →
+>>15343896 →
+but no /sfg/ content outside of /sfg/
+if mathfags weren't so attention hungry and desperate to launch vanity threads then /mg/ could end up being as engaging as /sfg/, but instead /mg/ is slow and boring and takes over a week to hit autosage
+--- 15344140
+>>15343890
+If you can understand the conjecture you have have an good idea of how that area of math works which is ~probably~ more valuable than the conjecture itself. Solving/Finding a good conjecture gets your name attached to it, which is value to some people.
+--- 15344191
+>>15344140
+You still haven't answered my question, motherfucker. What are mathematicians even hired for? Everyone in their respective sciences knows enough math to not need anyone else to help them with it.
+--- 15344234
+>>15344008
+this board is science and maths. not science and one maths general.
+--- 15344249
+>>15343370
+maths isn't science
+they're opposites.
+--- 15344255
+The study of maths, like science, is ultimately just the pursuit of knowledge, the difference is the scientist is concerned with reality whereas mathematicians aren't.
+--- 15344264
+>>15344234
+/mg/ could be as good as /sfg/ if it wasn't for bad attitudes from you and your ilk.
+--- 15344270
+>>15344255
+the difference is that scientific theories lack rigour proofs and maths is ruled by rigourous proofs
+--- 15344301
+I don't get how mathematicians can rest easy knowing Godel's incompleteness theorems - I can't, it's been bugging me for over 4 months.
+--- 15344319
+>>15343370
+It's really strange when you think about it, but it starts to make sense when you see that those that develop pure math, are really brilliant and good at it, so they continue doing it.
+
+Only a few or those that are not so good (but they just get filtered out so they don't "apply") do actually try to apply those concepts, but that's the small middle class between those that can and succeed, and those that apply what is already applicable.
+--- 15344449
+>>15344301
+Why? It's irrelevant to most of math, only perfectionists like Hilbert would actually care.
+--- 15344459
+>>15344449
+But you'll never know if your theorems truly make sense because you can never truly know if your axioms are consistent. Even if they were, then there would be theorems you can never prove in that system, it's a lose-lose situation :(
+--- 15344467
+Sorry if this is >>/adv/ but I realized if I stay on an extra semester at my university I can get a double major in statistics as well as my mathematics degree. Is this worth it?
+--- 15344560
+>>15344467
+If you want to do data basedience or something like that the degree will get you into interviews faster. If that's worth it for you then do it
+--- 15344571
+Let x catch a fucking break
+--- 15344616
+>>15344191
+>Everyone in their respective sciences knows enough math to not need anyone else to help them with it.
+Yeah you haven't seen research. They use mathematicians all the time.
+You're hired to do math, most of the time the business objective does not require you to solve the collatz conjecture. If your looking for discrete labels of what they do, look up what a teacher, or analyst, or actuary, or any programming position that isn't gonna be suplexed by ChatGPT does.
+--- 15344618
+Let [math] M_1, M_2, \dots, M_n [/math] be n given points in the plane [math]\Bbb{R^2}[/math]. When is it possible to find a closed polygonal line [math] P_0, P_1, P_2, \dots, P_n=P_0 [/math] such that [math]M_i[/math] is the midpoint between [math] P_{i-1} [/math] and [math] P_i (1 \le i \le n) [/math]? When it is possible, how many possibilities are there?
+
+You should be able to solve this.
+
+Hint 1: Investigate for small n.
+Hint 2: Use basic linear algebra.
+--- 15344643
+>>15344301
+There are people who have embraced it's oddity through algorithmic information theory.
+>>15344459
+>Even if they were, then there would be theorems you can never prove in that system, it's a lose-lose situation
+Almost as if logic has limits.
+--- 15344650
+>>15344643
+>There are people who have embraced it's oddity through algorithmic information theory.
+Care to elaborate?
+--- 15344890
+>>15344650
+They upgraded Shannon's information measure to work with a computation. Since we are trying to minimally describe objects/information, it offers another proof method to solve Godel's incompleteness theorem (and exposes the limits of AIT)
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_complexity#Chaitin's_incompleteness_theorem
+
+I guess since were using computation a better example to "rest easy knowing Gobel's incompleteness theorem" is to learn about what a undecidable statement is (Halting problem) and see that your computer works with it's 'axioms.'
+--- 15345052
+I'm almost done with an applied math degree with minor in stats and I'm about to kill myself
+--- 15345121
+>>15343262
+Job at mcdonalds.
+--- 15345158
+>>15344618
+n>=3 odd 1 solution always
+n even solution exist iff centroid of even points = centroid of odd points, infinite solutions parametrized by P_0
+proof: solve equations in R^2
+--- 15345164
+>>15345052
+why anon
+--- 15345207
+How do you prove it?
+--- 15345220
+>>15345207
+multiply through by bd
+--- 15345237
+>>15344008
+Woah anon, you sure got us there. Maybe if you keep on spamming this nonsense like the lifeless loser you are, the jannies of /sci/ will make a special snowflake rule just for you.
+I, for one, will go back to studying now and answer some stupid questions in /sqt/ later today, once I'm finished.
+--- 15345245
+Here's a small exercise for /mg/.
+Can you guess what year this was asked in? It's a pretty easy question, shouldn't take anyone more than 5 MILLISECONDS! Hahah, just kidding, take as much time as you want. I appreciate anyone solving! As always, good luck and don't hesitate to ask for hints or the solution.
+--- 15345298
+>>15345245
+2005006
+--- 15345344
+What math field should i learn to be able to program stuff without conditional statements?
+Every time that i write something that can be simplified into a math equation i fill myself with joy and think "fuck, math is great".
+--- 15345380
+>>15345298
+Unfortunately not anon. And your answer is way bigger than the real one! A lot bigger! How did you get it? If you let me know how you got your answer, I could try giving some hints so you get the right one. Or you can try again without hints. Up to you. Regardless, thank you for your effort. I hope you can find what you did wrong and get the right answer! Good luck!
+--- 15345409
+>>15345380
+Alright. So the number of integer divisors is the sum of all the (powers + 1) in a prime factorization. So [math] 2004 = 2^2 \times 3 \times 167 [/math] and [math]2004^{2004} = 2^{4008} \times 3^{2004} \times 167^{2004}[/math]. So now lets say the divisor has only 1 prime factor, we have 3 ways to make our 2004 divisor divisor.([math]2^{2003},3^{2003},167^{2003}[/math])
+
+Now lets say the divisor has two prime factors. There's 3 combinations of 2 prime factors of the form [math]a^tb^{2002-t}[/math] for a total of [math]2001 \times 3[/math] divisors of this type.
+
+Now for 3 prime divisors we have to distribute 1998 total powers between the 3 factors. This is [math]\binom{1998 + 3 - 1}{1998} = 1999000[/math] ways. So in total [math]1999000 + 6003 + 3 = 2005006[/math]
+--- 15345424
+>>15345409
+Worthless just like your copy paste method which you were too stupid to think of in a correct way.
+--- 15345435
+>>15345424
+Who are you mad at? Why?
+--- 15345458
+>>15345245
+54
+>>15345409
+The number of integer divisors is the PRODUCT of all the (powers + 1) in a prime factorization.
+
+So what you need is the number of non-negative integer solutions of
+[eqn](x+1)(y+1)(z+1) = 2004[/eqn]
+--- 15345473
+>>15345458
+No need to be so mean about it :(
+--- 15345497
+>>15345409
+Hi anon. Thanks for writing all that. I can see now how you went about it and I think it would have been fine had your first line not been mistaken I think.
+>So the number of integer divisors is the sum of all the (powers + 1) in a prime factorization
+I believe this should be the product, not the sum! I think that's where your mistake is. With this in mind, I believe you can get the correct answer with a bit more work! Good luck to you if you want to continue, I suggest you do because you're rather close anyway!
+>>15345424
+Look, I don't know who you are or what makes you think you can talk to people like that. But be quiet if what you're going to say is both rude and useless. I won't be replying to further comments from you unless it is an apology (not to me, to the person you replied to) and I suggest others do the same as clearly you're not interested in this problem but in insulting people who are trying.
+>>15345458
+Great job anon! That is indeed the correct answer. I hope you found it fun. Thank you for your answer and for telling the other anon what was wrong with his/her solution.Let me know what you thought of the problem if you want to. I hope you have an amazing day!
+
+
+Oh and of course I hope no one thinks just because someone got the right answer, they shouldn't try or continue. I still absolutely appreciate anyone who comes up with an answer. Who knows, maybe there's a very unique solution?!
+--- 15345515
+>>15345497
+Shut the fuck up worthless tranny, you posted a simple question pretending to be some math guru or whatever you tranime idiot larp as.
+
+Post a hard one or else do your homework
+--- 15345553
+>>15345497
+Thank you, I have seen the error of my ways in my previous attempt. Also im sorry >>15345458
+I thought you were the other annoying faggot.
+--- 15345696
+>>15345245
+>>15345380
+>>15345497
+just cut your dick off already, tranny
+--- 15345701
+>>15344008
+/sfg/ over /mg/ by 750 - 60
+very consistent ratios.
+--- 15347040
+Let [math] f : (0,1) \rightarrow \mathbb{R} [/math] be a smooth function such that [math] f [/math] and [math] f ' [/math] are bounded on [math](0,1)[/math].
+Then does [math] f [/math] extend to a smooth function [math] \mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/math]?
+--- 15347071
+Thoughts on mathematical statistics? What’s a good text?
+--- 15347074
+>>15347040
+Consider
+[eqn]f(x) = \int_0^x \cos \left(\frac{1}{t} \right) dt[/eqn]
+--- 15347095
+/sfg/ tacked on another 240 posts in the time it took /mg/ to add 3.
+--- 15347125
+>>15347071
+Do probability then statistics.
+--- 15347365
+>>15347074
+Thank you for your help anon.
+
+A new question:
+
+Let [math] f : (0,1) \rightarrow \mathbb{R} [/math] be a smooth function, such that for each natural number [math] n [/math] the [math]n[/math]th derivative of [math]f[/math] is bounded on [math](0,1)[/math].
+Then does [math] f [/math] extend to a smooth function [math] \mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/math]?
+--- 15347455
+>>15347365
+The answer is apparently yes: see
+https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/375530/continuation-of-smooth-functions-on-the-bounded-domain
+--- 15348117
+>100% of students that took the numerical analysis class last year got an F
+is it really that hard? even real analysis has lower fail rate (50%)
+--- 15348324
+>>15345344
+Functional programming
+--- 15348399
+>>15345245
+--- 15348647
+Do I pick pure or applied for my masters
+I can't decide, I like both
+--- 15348708
+>>15348647
+Depends, do you want a job outside of academia?
+--- 15348749
+If I have a group G acting on a topological space X, and this action is free (no fixed points), what can I say about the orbit space X/G? 
+
+I am reading arXiv:1701.02293. On p.6-7 Pedroza says M(f ; p,q) admits a natural action of R by translations, and this action is free, so the orbit space is identified as the space of trajectories that joint p to q. 
+
+But I thought "the space of trajectories that joint p to q" exactly M(f ; p,q)? Is it true that when the action is free, X can be identified (homotopy equiv, homeo?) with X/G? 
+
+If not, what is a sufficient condition for X to be identifiable with its orbit space under some action?
+--- 15348825
+>>15348708
+Academia is my top priority, but I also want to be able to work outside academia if necessary
+--- 15348990
+>>15348825
+Applied, then. It has enough of the pure to satisfy you.
+--- 15349012
+>>15343370
+>science
+>economics
+lmao
+--- 15349016
+>>15344560
+this is /sci/, maybe you were looking for /pol/
+--- 15349119
+>>15348825
+Pure is favoured by both. "Applied" is basically saying you are not good enough for pure.
+--- 15349616
+>>15348749
+First of all, the action having "no fixed points" is rather vague and meaningless.
+
+To be precise, a group action is called "free" if the only group element whose action has any fixed points is the identity element.
+--- 15349624
+>>15343370
+They do math, duh
+--- 15349632
+>>15343890
+"Practical use" as in helping people? Why would I want to do that?
+--- 15349830
+>>15349616
+Wow, thanks for the completely useless pedantic comment concerning the only thing in my question that I had no questions about. Next time if you have nothing meaningful to add just don't bother
+--- 15349841
+why are all calculators be it on my computer, phone or a purpose built device so anti-usability and retarded?
+--- 15349854
+>>15347071
+Whatever you do, pair a theory text with an application text in a programming language (R tends to have the better texts). It really is useful and helps understanding a lot.
+--- 15349880
+What is it with people at my uni not knowing pre-calculus? Didn't you learn that in high-school? How the fuck did you get in here to begin with?
+--- 15349893
+>>15348647
+Just do both nigger. Literally nothing is stopping you from taking a mix of classes.
+--- 15349990
+Do you guys know where can I read more about this embedding? All I've found so far is a single sentence. I Ctrl+F'd through Hatcher's book on algebraic topology and there is a lot about embeddings, but not a single mention of Whitehead's manifold.
+
+t. First year undergraduate student. The fucking professors won't tell me anything I don't already know, but maybe /mg/ will.
+--- 15349991
+>>15349990
+Worthless
+--- 15350007
+>>15349991
+>Worthless
+The embedding? Me? You're being pretty vague here, man.
+--- 15350010
+>>15350007
+Probably both
+--- 15350014
+>>15350010
+>Probably both
+Cool. Still, I don't see an argument as to why.
+--- 15350153
+>>15349990
+If I’m not mistaken, according to the “Construction” section in the Wikipedia page, it is constructed as a proper subset of S^3 ; hence can be embedded in R^3
+--- 15350157
+>>15349990
+Also don’t rely on Hatcher for any real knowledge. Understandably you aren’t aware of this since you’re a 1st year undergrad. But Hatcher is good for, and only good for, learning the fundamentals
+--- 15350160
+>>15350153
+Yeah, but isn't S^3 a subset of R^4? That's why it's not obvious to me.
+--- 15350164
+>>15350160
+Exercise: show Sn with a point removed is (homeomorphic to) Rn
+--- 15350167
+>>15350157
+>But Hatcher is good for, and only good for, learning the fundamentals
+His book is used during first courses on algebraic topology, so that's not really a problem.
+>Exercise: show Sn with a point removed is (homeomorphic to) Rn
+Thanks, I'll try my best.
+--- 15350171
+>>15350168
+Keep us informed.
+--- 15350172
+>>15350167
+Hint: look up stereographic projection
+--- 15350180
+>>15350164
+Actually, I've done that before, it's one of the first exercises (it was on the 2nd list of exercises we were given). So, a proper subset of S^n is naturally embedded in S^n with a single point removed, correct? Then we embed S^n with a point removed in R^n, and use both of these embeddings, right?
+--- 15350204
+>>15350157
+>Also don’t rely on Hatcher for any real knowledge.
+Could you point me to a more detailed book then? Also, could you tell me what an American (or wherever you're from) undergrad curriculum looks like? Here in Poland there is a place where you can take topology on your 2nd semester, but usually it's done on 3rd or 4th semesters.
+--- 15350370
+>The persistence of v is defined to be death minus birth
+who comes up with these definitions?
+--- 15350490
+>>15350180
+Yeah pretty much 
+
+>>15350204
+I’d say it depends on what particular topics you’re interested in
+--- 15350567
+>>15349991
+>someone finally posts math on /mg/
+>I don't understand it
+>call him worthless
+Insecure imbecile, with his attitude towards learning you're washed up already. Better to quit out of math before your life gets even more fucked. Actually just quit out of life, nobody wants to interact with retards like you
+--- 15350573
+>>15350567
+>Insecure imbecile, with his attitude towards learning you're washed up already. Better to quit out of math before your life gets even more fucked. Actually just quit out of life, nobody wants to interact with retards like you
+Thanks. Luckily I have a pretty thick skin from interacting cretins on 4chan, so it doesn't bother me that much.
+--- 15350577
+>>15350573
+>interacting cretins
+with cretins*
+--- 15351187
+Are there formal proof systems that are actually "nice to use" and reflect the way mathematicians reason in their informal proofs?
+I read a book on mathematical logic and it only introduced a "Hilbert system". I understand that this makes reasoning *about* the system convenient since it only has one inference rule, but the few times I tried writing down a deduction *in* the system it turned into a mess.
+--- 15351874
+>>15349990
+>Do you guys know where can I read more about this embedding?
+Invariants at infinity seem to be what you specifically want, and embedding concerning invariants and toplogy at the ends of space/infinity. Unless I completely misunderstand what you're asking.
+https://arxiv.org/abs/1210.6741
+Skimmed over this example and it seems to go over the kinds of things you'd want for invariants for ends of spaces. I apologize if I misunderstood.
+--- 15352130
+What am I in for?
+--- 15352143
+>>15344459
+>you will never prove a theorem whose statement has more symbols than atoms in the universe
+--- 15352166
+>>15344459
+You don't really understand Godel's incompleteness theorem. If you really understood the metalogic nuances behind the proof you would come to a very different conclusion.
+--- 15352357
+Google is dogshit and I can't find what I'm looking for in my books. True or false:
+Two matrices only have the same characteristic polynomial if they are similar
+--- 15352470
+>>15351187
+This is closer
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_deduction
+
+But equality/equivalence of terms is essentially an unsolved problem, from a practical standpoint. Most of the modern type theory stuff is just about that.
+--- 15352471
+>>15352357
+False
+--- 15352497
+>>15352357
+No, consider nondiagonalizable matrices (look at the Jordan canonical form)
+--- 15352532
+Is every closed subset of Euclidean space the vanishing set of some continuous real function?
+
+I.e., for each closed subset [math] A \subset \mathbb{R}^n [/math] is there a continuous function [math] f : \mathbb{R}^n \rightarrow \mathbb{R} [/math] such that [math] f^{-1}(\{0\}) = A [/math] ?
+--- 15352629
+>>15352532
+Yes, it's true in every metric space. Consider
+[eqn] f(x) = \inf_{y \in A} d(x,y)[/eqn]
+--- 15352671
+>>15352629
+Ah right , basically the distance to A , thanks anon
+--- 15352686
+>>15352532
+>>15352629
+
+As a follow-up question: 
+
+Is there a *non*-metrizable topological space X such that every closed subset A of X is the zero set of some continuous real-valued function on X ?
+--- 15352698
+Between any two rationals there are uncountably many irrationals and between any two irrationals there are countably many rationals.
+Why can't we use this to do a bijection from QxQ to R?
+--- 15352925
+>>15352698
+Why does it give you hopes it would? 
+Your question isn't quite clear.
+--- 15353383
+What kind of sorcery are these Non-monotonic Logics? Wikipedia dont say much about it
+And there's no way to make sense of somekind of proof theory of it right?
+--- 15353418
+>>15343107 (OP)
+>Golomb
+QRD?
+--- 15353428
+>>15343473
+go back to /pol/
+--- 15353436
+Defining a totally ordered set to be "complete" if every upper-bounded subset has a least upper bound and every lower-bounded subset has a greatest lower bound,
+
+Is there a complete totally ordered set of any given cardinality?
+--- 15353450
+>>15347074
+>>15347365
+get a differential forms book and look for the part on pullback functions for some solutions to problems like that
+--- 15353837
+Dummit & Foote or Jacobson?
+--- 15353936
+is there any book which explains math with irl applications or explains why or how something works?
+they always telk you how to solve something but never why or how does it work
+--- 15353964
+>>15353436
+I don't know, but I assume it's at least consistent - given you have have the reals have almost any ordinal size.
+--- 15353966
+can have*
+--- 15353997
+>>15353418
+Combinatorist and an engineer. Really cool lad,worked at NASA, inspired Tetris, a bunch of stuff.He passed away in 2016 unfortunately but he left a legacy. There's a book by him and Andy Liu on combinatorics that I've recently been looking at to find some cool problems and there's quite a few. I actually intended to post one this thread but I was in a hurry and ended up posting this instead >>15345245
+So I made the OP image him instead. A true genius.
+--- 15354024
+>>15352470
+Thanks for the link anon. That was an interesting read, though I'm not sure I understood everything written there (I'm not familiar with type theory at all for example).
+Do you happen to know a text that could serve as an introduction to natural deduction (or possibly a logic book that uses it as the main proof system)?
+Also, am I correct to assume that the tradeoff with using natural deduction (vs a Hilbert system) would be that proving things about the system (like soundness) are more involved?
+--- 15354085
+Is it a good idea to memorize a lot of formulas instead of trying to solve them?
+--- 15354100
+Bros, how do I get good at calculus. I had differential calculus last semester and I passed by the skin of my teeth. I don't wanna be a brainlet anymore. Next semster, I got Integration course. I wanna do better in this course. How do I get good in calculus and math in general?
+--- 15354102
+>>15354024
+As a general logic rec, I like
+https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/sjt/TTFP/ttfp.pdf
+and
+https://www.cin.ufpe.br/~mlogica/livros/Logic%20and%20Structure%20-%20Van%20Dalen.pdf
+
+I don't know to what extent those address your query, however (especially the second one might not)
+
+As for value of the systems, I also don't know for sure. I you got a lot of axioms like in Hilberts system, then the language is well controlled in the sense that you can enumerate sentences and proofs
+--- 15354200
+>>15353964
+> the reals have almost any ordinal size
+Wait how does that work though? Aren’t there many ordinals much larger (in size/cardinality) than the reals (or any given set)?
+--- 15354292
+>>15344264
+/sfg/ is a trash fire my dude
+--- 15354386
+>>15354200
+Name one ;)
+--- 15354391
+(without referring to 2^N itself)
+--- 15354530
+>>15354100
+Learning math is 90% practice 10% studying. There's no way around that.
+Try out 3Blue1Brown if you feel like you're not absorbing the "studying" part well. It's great for retards like me who needs to think of a graph for half a minute to understand a statement involving functions.
+--- 15354579
+>>15354386
+Exists with axiom of choice, no? Or are you one of those anti-choice people
+--- 15354659
+Is it possible to create a discontinous function without using multiple conditions?
+--- 15354810
+>>15354659
+You could do something like f(x) = |x|/x , though this doesn't exist (in the strict sense) at x=0
+--- 15354828
+>>15354810
+I think i remember my HS teacher telling me that a function is still continuous even if one of it's points isn't defined (1/x, tanx, etc...) for some reason.
+Still, now that i did some searching, that doesn't seem to be true.
+--- 15354872
+>>15354659
+y = |4 - x^2| + 1
+--- 15354899
+>>15354828
+>is still continuous
+Should be, "can still be continuous", then it's correct
+--- 15354908
+>>15354872
+That's not discontinuous
+--- 15354921
+>>15354872
+*
+y = 4 (x/|x|) - x + 1
+--- 15355055
+>>15354579
+"Exists" what?
+I wouldn't adopt choice personally, but even if you do, it will be hard to find an ordinal larger than the reals (unless, again, you define an ordinal from the reals itself).
+Assuming LEM, no subset of the naturals surjects onto 2^N or the Dedekind reals, any the exponentiation map
+x \mapsto 2^x
+makes jumps larger than what set theory can understand
+
+See e.g.
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easton%27s_theorem
+--- 15355063
+and*
+--- 15355080
+>>15355055
+
+Nice explanation, thank you
+--- 15355240
+>>15355080
+Btw. our of curiosity I checked what ChatGPT 3.5 would have to say about this, and it's even worse than when I tried to make coherent statements about weak forms of choice.
+--- 15355529
+>>15354659
+sqrt(x^2)
+look up branch cuts also
+--- 15355533
+>>15343262
+Math isn't discovered but invented
+--- 15355566
+where can i find a good exposition of the Kronecker-Weber theorem? i'm really interested in learning and understanding this result. background-wise i more or less have the basics of ANT (integers, Dedekind rings, discriminant, localisation, class number/Dirichlet, etc.)
+--- 15355649
+>>15355529
+This is discontinuous on the complex plane, but the usual principal branch is continuous on the real line
+--- 15356123
+Arctan(any integer) is only a rational multiple of pi for -1, 0, 1. Sure, fine, the Taylor series evaluate in a particular way that forces this but is there a deeper reason?
+--- 15356222
+>>15356123
+https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.06583
+--- 15356361
+>>15355566
+There's really no *good* reference for class field theory, it's a painful subject any way you cut it. But Cassels-Frohlich is standard and not too terrible.
+--- 15356370
+>>15354828
+The correct way to say this would be that those functions are "continuous on their domain"
+--- 15356423
+>>15349830
+If you don’t know how to articulate definitions correctly, then how do you hope to understand anything beyond the definitions?
+--- 15356428
+>>15356361
+are there any good elementary references that don't use CFT?
+--- 15356511
+why can't i digest math books formatted like novels
+--- 15356542
+>>15356428
+Washington's "Introduction to Cyclotomic Fields" apparently has a chapter on it at the end. I haven't personally read that chapter, but I can vouch for it being an okay textbook from its earlier chapters.
+--- 15356674
+>>15356222
+Holy shit, finally a motivation for Galois groups that I don't completely hate
+--- 15357254
+>>15352686
+[math]X = \{a,b,c\}, \tau = \{\emptyset, \{a\}, \{b, c\}, X\}[/math].
+--- 15357370
+>>15357254
+Ah yes I see, thank you
+--- 15357384
+\binom{n}{k} = \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}
+--- 15357399
+>>15354828
+It is continuous since points of discontinuity can only exist in domain. Fun fact: all functions from naturals are continuous.
+--- 15357402
+>>15356511
+Humans do not have the necessary enzymes to break down cellulose.
+--- 15357496
+Topic is: will the universe, if it's isotropic and infinite, will it in that case eventually repeat. I.e. also our observable volume.
+I replied that yes, of course the limit of a recurrence approaches 1 as each observable volume, with its finite size, can only hold a limited number of arrangements. A series of infinite such volumes yields a probability approaching 1, that there is at least one another copy.
+Of course, this got pushback from /x/ dimwits. This here is the particular choice cut "why I am wrong", from a self-proclaimed "math degree holder".
+>>15356826 →
+>I'm not going to give you a detailed response because you don't deserve it. All I will say is this: "if something is infinite it must include every possibility" is every midwit's favourite misunderstanding of infinity. The simple counterargument is this: there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but it doesn't include the number 3. If there is infinite space in the universe, that doesn't mean every possible combination of atoms is contained therein.
+--- 15357673
+>>15354899
+>>15356370
+>>15357399
+I see, thanks for clarifying. There's a lot of misinformation on the internet, apparently.
+--- 15357743
+>>15354085
+I'm assuming you want to know this for purely practical reasons and don't actually like the process of learning where a formula comes from.
+You could definitely just memorize formulas, but learning why they work can not only develop your analytical skills, but also make it easier to apply your already attained knowledge in the formula's context.
+Both my HS and college teachers used "d=√((x2 – x1)2 + (y2 – y1)2)" for the distance between 2 points in a cartesian system, which is just pythagoras' theorem, although they never said that. Me noticing that allowed me to, instead of using that needlessly complex formula, use my intuition and knowledge of pythagoras to solve any problem involving it. (Same thing in a 3D system).
+These things are especially important in calculus, where if you don't have a deep understanding of what something is, you'll probably have a hard time later on.
+--- 15357936
+Is there a standard name for the space "n^N" of unending sequences on N into a finite range {0,...,n-1}
+--- 15358191
+>>15354530
+how many problems do I have to do at minimum to get a good handle? I have to deal with a bunch of other courses too so I can't devote all the time to math. 
+Also, I feel like an absolute retard because I can't solve even the most basic problems.
+--- 15358370
+>>15358191
+>how many problems do I have to do at minimum to get a good handle?
+I don't fucking know, that depends on the subject, your intelligence and your current knowledge. I just practice till i'm confident enough.
+>Also, I feel like an absolute retard because I can't solve even the most basic problems.
+As i've said before, the studying is still integral. If your gym coach teaches the exercise in a half-assed way, you'll do it half-assed and get half-assed results.
+That, or you skipped a subject that is fundamental to the current one, which is a pain, but the solution is obvious.
+--- 15359435
+Incest: a game the whole family can play, by Milton Bradley.
+--- 15359525
+How to I calculate the average roll of 4 x sided die where you discard the lowest roll?
+--- 15359539
+>>15359525
+Never mind I googled it
+--- 15359543
+>>15359525
+Just manually go through all cases.
+--- 15359631
+Consider a cube (of uniform solid density) balanced on one vertex on top of a flat horizontal table.
+What is the angle between the table, and one of the cube edges touching the table?
+
+Is there an "elegant' way to solve this without using rotation matrices?
+--- 15359715
+>>15359631
+https://youtu.be/SH8z9Iou0u8 [Embed]
+--- 15359716
+>>15345245
+27
+--- 15359746
+How would you rate the difficulty of Polish matura exam to equivalent exams from the west like SAT? Pic rel are two last two tasks from 2018. This is meant for 18-19 year olds and is a standardized exam that replaces entry exams.
+
+Btw google translated ate few "of" words. It should say It should say "of this triangle" at the end of the first task.
+And the proper translation for subtask b) is more like:
+>Prove that the circuit L of trapezoid expressed as a function with variable "a" (f(a), or L(a)), a variable which expresses the longer base of the trapezoid, can be expressed as a function ...
+
+Full test here (use Google translate):
+https://www.matemaks.pl/matura-2018-maj.html
+--- 15359772
+>>15359716
+Hello anon! Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry to inform you that your answer seems to be wrong but it is not too far off which makes me think you made a small error along the way. Could you check your steps again? Let me know if you can find what went wrong but if you can't or don't want to I can send the solution instead. Good luck and thanks again for your time and effort solving this problem! I hope you succeed in finding the right answer!
+--- 15359889
+Why take the absolute values? Shouldn't 
+[math]f(x) = \begin{cases} 
+ x\cos(1/x) & \text{if } x \neq 0 \\
+ 0 &\text{if }x = 0 \\
+ \end{cases}[/math]
+work as well? Since
+[math]\lim\limits_{x\to 0} \dfrac{f(x) - f(0)}{x - 0} = \lim\limits_{x\to 0} \cos(1/x)[/math]
+
+and this doesn't have one-sided limits either?
+--- 15360161
+Spent the whole weekend learning derivatives and my brain is complete mush from burnout. Feels good.
+--- 15360401
+>>15360161
+I know high school level derivatives. Is there something more to them later on?
+--- 15360411
+>>15360401
+btw does USA even have derivates in high school? Not sure what the cirrcuclum is there like.
+--- 15360416
+>>15360401
+They don't have derivates in HS here so i dunno. It's just pre-calculus.
+--- 15360423
+>>15360401
+>I know high school level derivatives. Is there something more to them later on?
+
+Yes, derivatives form the basis of physics. They form the most important form of mathematics, Differential Equations, and you also learn how objects can change rates of speed in three-dimensional space using vector calculus, usually a 2nd year college course.
+--- 15360426
+>>15359746
+Definitely harder than SAT, but SAT isn't taken as seriously here as foreigners seem to think it is.
+>>15360411
+Yes. Good students do "freshman" calculus in sophomore year of high school or before
+--- 15360433
+>>15360423
+Sound interesting. can't wait to learn all of this stuff. I'm going to uni this year.
+--- 15360443
+>>15360433
+>learn all of this stuff
+>>15360433
+>going to uni
+kek

sci/15343167.txt

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+-----
+--- 15343167
+Have tree planting "campaigns" been a waste?
+--- 15343177
+>>15343167 (OP)
+Why does trump always screw up the environment even when planting trees
+--- 15343304
+>>15343167 (OP)
+Yes, they're a huge grift. Planting trees is basically meaningless. GROWING trees is what should be considered important. You know, actually seeing that the sapling grows into a tree. Instead they just plant saplings and count each one as though it were a full tree. Then all the saplings die and they do the same thing in the same place the next year. It's a SCAM.
+--- 15343327
+>>15343304
+>Planting trees is basically meaningless.
+Sounds like you havnt been to Weyerhaeuser lands where they have been planting where they clear and partition parts for growth stages preventing clearcutting for as far as the eye can see...which Ive seen as well.
+
+Your perspective is like someone saying "Cutting trees is fine, planting them does nothing." which leads to deswrtification.
+--- 15343329
+>>15343167 (OP)
+There are good reasons and good projects to plant trees but if you hear of one it's guaranteed to be a grift.
+--- 15343477
+>>15343167 (OP)
+Not according to China and Africa. They've been reclaiming their deserts with tree planting programs. Forests draw more moisture to the region.
+--- 15343500
+>>15343327
+clearcuts are just fine. without them, due to fire suppression, there are no open areas where the sun reaches the ground, nowhere for wildflowers and grasses to grow. before whitey arrived, indians used to burn vast areas ever summer just to keep the forests from taking over everything. go in any clearcut during may-july and its filled with wildlife. theres nothing for deer and elk to eat in deep forest
+--- 15343646
+>>15343167 (OP)
+
+Doesn't wörk without proper watering, no.
+--- 15344317
+>>15343167 (OP)
+They can actually do a lot if there is an incentive for people to make them work. The problem is how long it takes for geoengineering to actually take place. Most people are too retarded to maintain decades long projects.
+--- 15344327
+>>15343167 (OP)
+This kind of individual planting shit? Absolutely. A PR stunt at best, or makework for useless eaters at worst.
+
+The ag sci guys already figured out an effective way to carpet bomb areas with seedlings. A single C-130 loaded with seed bombs can plant 100K trees a day.
+--- 15344462
+>>15343177
+If Trump cured cancer they'd blame him for overpopulation.
+--- 15344488
+>>15343167 (OP)
+plants are.... LE BAD?
+--- 15344607
+it's stupid and will destroy grasslands
+just stop exporting lumber and let foreigners live in mudhuts like they always have
+--- 15344611
+New science just dropped
+--- 15344624
+>>15344607
+>just stop exporting lumber
+This. FTW.
+--- 15344644
+>>15344488
+--- 15344873
+>>15343167 (OP)
+BBC "news" kek
+--- 15344910
+>>15343213
+'cause the US wrecked them before 1990 you nazi brainlet.
+--- 15345053
+>>15344910
+>oy vey da nazis are out to get me!!!
+--- 15345084
+>>15345053
+> antisemite
+> not a nazi
+you have to go back to your unscientific board where you belong
+--- 15345221
+>>15343167 (OP)
+not at all. i occasionally visit a tree i planted 20 years ago. big fat fucker, from a little seed.
+--- 15345593
+>>15345221
+Greta has never planted a tree, neither have any of the other lazy urbanites who scream and cry about >muh global warming all day errrrryay. Trees are planted by rural dwellers, the type who don't spend time on the internet falsely bragging about their concern for the environment because they're too busy outdoors, planting trees
+--- 15345599
+>>15343167 (OP)
+somewhat true, consider replanted "forests" in europe vs old ones that are actually functioning ecosystems
+--- 15345609
+>>15343500
+>indians used to burn vast areas ever summer just to keep the forests from taking over everything
+lol..........what the fuck are you reading?
+
+Literal CCP tier indoctrination boy..."If we kill all the rice-seed eating birds they wont eat all the rice!" only for insects to eat if all instead. 
+
+>The bison are eating all the grass! Im helping nature!
+>completely unbalances the environment for generations to come
+smrt
+--- 15346701
+>>15343477
+Oh lol not China lmao
+
+Seriously. It's a super total scam
+They pay people to plant trees
+Know what they did?
+They destroyed the forests and THEN planted their trees
+To make it worse: they did monoculture of a fast growing but non-native species which led to exactly what you would expect
+
+First: it consumed more water than what the desert can support, which killed the native species of plants.
+The native animals can't eat them either
+Then they had an outbreak of fungi disease that killed their trees
+
+Cream of the crop:
+China kept on saying that they are building more green energy. Never says that they are also building even more coal plants
+
+Absolutely fucking retarded. Now they are on the collapse precisely because of their own bullshit
+--- 15346778
+>>15345593
+In ye olden times they would take village idiots (socialists, fags, etc.) and bury them in the ground and plant a tree on top of them. 
+Ancient way of two-birds-with-one-stone.
+--- 15346901
+>>15346701
+No, they're reclaiming desert with their tree planting programs. They've reclaimed enough desert to be measurable from space.
+
+https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows
+
+https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall_(China)
+--- 15346913
+>>15346901
+>reclaiming desert
+Ohmugherd! They are destroying the environment! 
+"Save the deserts!"
+--- 15346939
+>>15346913
+Reclaiming desert means converting it to forest or arable land.
+--- 15346944
+>>15346939
+That's is more awful! Humans are terrible!
+
+"Save the spotted sand spider!"
+--- 15346949
+>>15346944
+I know you're trying to save face, but it just makes it more obvious that you're an idiot.
+--- 15346955
+>>15346901
+Welp, that's new
+They had a major sandstorm just a few weeks ago and the root cause was precise because of their bad environmental conservation measures.
+Guess they won on some parts of the deserts and lost on others
+
+>>15346949
+I am not him.
+--- 15347006
+>>15346949
+>that you're an idiot.
+called "projection". you are too close to notice it. 
+you are also non-human, as you have no sense of humour.
+--- 15347017
+>>15347006
+Cope harder, retard.
+
+>>15346955
+Yeah, China is not known for their environmentalism, but they're huge fans of massive projects.
+--- 15347110
+>>15343167 (OP)
+trump did more for the environment by planting one tree than all of the urbanite online virtue signalers combined will do over the course of their entire lives. 
+why are online activists always all talk and no action? are they too addicted to internet dopamine to ever lift a finger to accomplish the environmental goals they claim are so immediately necessary?
+--- 15347329
+>>15347110
+>trump did more for the environment by planting one tree than all of the urbanite online virtue signalers combined will do over the course of their entire lives.
+Anyone part of the climate change cult should perform the noble sacrifice and kill themselves, in a compost bin or other green location.
+
+The fact they don't kill themselves, proves they are hypocrites.
+--- 15347492
+>>15345599
+european cut down 99.9% of their native forests and now they screech like bitches when anyone in any other part of the world makes use of their own natural resources.
+--- 15347574
+I want my trees back anyway
+--- 15347587
+>>15343167 (OP)
+No, but British forestry was notoriously retarded and cut down their rainforest to replace it with conifers basically because it looked nicer. They have been projecting ever since, but trees planted smartly make a massive difference
+--- 15347595
+>>15343500
+>clearcuts are just fine. without them, due to fire suppression, there are no open areas where the sun reaches the ground, nowhere for wildflowers and grasses to grow. 
+Grasslands are not natural climates and are supposed to dominate only high altitude places too cold for trees to grow. All "natural" grassland is either deforested or prevented from naturally turning into forests by hunans after the LGM period.
+>before whitey arrived, indians used to burn vast areas ever summer just to keep the forests from taking over everything. go in any clearcut during may-july and its filled with wildlife. 
+Indians were destructive fucking retards which hunted their domesticatable animals to extinction. Why are you pushing the noble savage myth? Because they were less advanced despite their destruction? Deforestation in Eurasia peaked in the Bronze age, you don't need a steam engine to cause vast destruction.
+
+>theres nothing for deer and elk to eat in deep forest
+Yes, there is, literally forest shrubbery is their preferred habitat.
+--- 15347597
+>>15344327
+Yes, fag, the PR stunts are nearly always just the symbolic opening of projects using mass seed planting tech. Why raise this pointless opinion?
+--- 15347602
+>>15345084
+NTA, but you literally came in here with your childish little /pol/ grift peddling some retarded 100 year ideology and this is not the first time. GTFO /sci/ or at least get a trip code so we can filter you.
+--- 15347606
+>>15345593
+Greta is not an environmentalist. She's just a White face paid to tweet deindustrialisation agendas of thirdies who want to destroy the only economies trying to preserve the climate.
+--- 15347613
+>>15346701
+The problem with all the green wall projects is that they already fucked up their top soil and acquifiers with deforestation and dam projects. These projects only work in Europe and North America because these were preserved upstream and most of the human intervention was downstream the basins. It might work in the Sahel (if well managed), but not in any of the Asian projects where they can't afford to redivert, they are likely to end up like arid North African climates barring a true megaengineering project that restores upstream sediment deposting flows in the drainage basin.
+--- 15348210
+>>15343213
+Wew.
+--- 15348752
+>>15344910
+>forests improving
+This is still a bad thing! And it’s the nazis fault!
+--- 15350049
+>>15346949
+Just. How. Stupid. And. Boomer. Internet. Illiterate. Are. You.
+
+I never type like this, but in 16 years on this site you almost take the cake.
+--- 15350155
+Things you can do to help the planet: recycle, compost, keep things for a long time, have a garden
+--- 15350197
+>>15350155
+
+does cumming into my carpet and smashing it in with my toes help?
+--- 15351393
+>>15350049
+Seethe, fag
+--- 15351457
+>>15348752
+oy vey dey growin da treez!!!
+dis is anuddah showah
+--- 15351536
+>>15350155
+Nothing you do on a personal level helps the planet >>15347606
+--- 15352417
+>>15351536
+we're not here to help the planet, you've got it all backwards. 
+nature is here for our use and enjoyment
+--- 15353482
+its funny how people still have a pavlovian trigger reaction to trump even though he has been out of office for three years already. plus he didn't even do anything to justify the anger when he was in office to begin with.
+--- 15354119
+>>15343167 (OP)
+yes the WEF pushed it and the removal of fertilizer in Sri Lanka and everyone can see how that ended up same shit in Pakistan they removed their few ancient forests they have to get the money. Their marsh were good for capturing C02 and now its slowly turning into a desert. 
+Same thing the west did with giving aid to Africa in the 60s you have to understand the local culture first before any of this blind activism bullshit.
+--- 15354563
+>>15353482
+--- 15354611
+>>15346778
+>piss off local mob boss
+>get killed 
+>reincarnate as tree
+Comfy
+--- 15356645
+>>15344327
+> A PR stunt 
+You didn't follow his lead, if you and your ilk would seen it and followed his lead instead of chimping out and looking for a reason to get angry then the "PR stunt" would lead to something positive, but instead you decided to be a bitch because you don't give a damn about the environment other than what you can leverage out of it for personal virtue signalling and political uses. 
+LMAO that a septuagenarian in a business suit can life a shovel, but you're too lame to do the job yourself.
+--- 15356908
+>>15347595
+>Grasslands are not natural climates and are supposed to dominate only high altitude places
+lol wtf, retard
+>Indians were destructive fucking retards which hunted their domesticatable animals to extinction
+again, fucking retarded, not true at all
+
+summary: you are full of shit, and make things up with no source because you want to have "evidence" for your racist bullshit, even if it's contrived as fuck.
+--- 15356937
+>>15354611
+Cycle of plebe life.
+--- 15356940
+>>15353482
+I want Trump back in office if for no other reason than the laughs at watching seething leftists.
+--- 15356976
+>>15356940
+Its not like they stopped seething now that he is out. They just found other excuses to justify, in their eyes, their constant demanding chimpouts
+--- 15358457
+>>15356940
+I'd like to see currency debasement brought back under control

sci/15344114.txt

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+-----
+--- 15344114
+Financial incentives offered to doctors for getting their clients vaxxx'd
+--- 15344773
+>>15344114 (OP)
+Take your meds, schizo.
+--- 15344870
+>>15344114 (OP)
+>Financial incentives offered to doctors for getting their clients vaxxx'd
+Well duh. 
+That is standard operating procedure. 
+Doctors always get more money the more they push certain new patented drugs. 
+In the case of the "vaccines", it was not only big-pharma paying doctors and pharmacists more money, but Big-Government also matching the money and often paying more to push the "vaccines". 
+
+Phamacists alone averaged around $50 per shot bonus administered at most locations. Give 100 shots in a weekend, and that's an extra $5000 the pharmacy makes.
+--- 15345626
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXE_n2q08Yw [Embed]
+--- 15347113
+>>15344114 (OP)
+And now they deny deny deny that all the people dying are their fault. 
+
+How lucky we are, to be alive at this time, the first moments in human history, where natural selection is a huge cosmic joke on idiots.
+--- 15347532
+>>15344114 (OP)
+atheists will lie about anything in exchange for money, doctors are the used car salesmen of the 21st century
+--- 15350412
+Why the fuck do scizo’s latch onto attacking doctors? Yeah the insurance company is evil but most doctors are cucks that spent clise to two decades of their adult life broke working 80 hours a week to help people. 
+
+They would have done finance or computers with their ability if it was for money
+--- 15351040
+>>15350412
+They do it for status and money retard.
+--- 15351485
+>>15351044
+>everything that upsets me is /pol/ 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qanF-91aJo [Embed]
+--- 15352407
+>>15344114 (OP)
+>doctors committing murder for as little as $20 per victim
+hitler could've saved a lot of money with deals like that
+>implying the holocaust is real
+no rly
+--- 15352505
+>>15350412
+>spent clise to two decades of their adult life broke working 80 hours a week to help people.
+Yeah sure, THAT'S why they did it.
+--- 15353430
+>>15350412
+>doctors have the ability to become good software engineers
+lmao
+--- 15353516
+>>15352505
+none of them are poor, college children all have daddy's money paying for babby's bills until they're out of school and able to pay their own way. after that babby becomes so proud of itself
+>i'm 37 years old and i can finally pay my own bills, i must be a total genius. 
+meanwhile they all have peers who managed to mature past the schoolchild phase before 20
+--- 15353520
+>>15352407
+Not really, that 20$ is only if 30% of members are vaxxed.
+If 75% are vaxxed, it's 125$ each
+The holocaust museum says that there were 520,000 jews living in germany in 1933, I'll round down to 500k for easier math.
+Since there were 6 million jews toasted in the war, that's 1200% vaxxed.
+A 16x increase from 75%, so that would be a payout of 2000$ for every lampshade. 12 trillion worth of leather shoes. Adjusted for inflation from 1945 to 2022 that's over 200 trillion in payouts. Add in a modest amount of compound interest and it's no wonder the jewish elite are so rich.
+--- 15354660
+>>15353516
+high iq people are weeded out of the medical field same way as they don't hire high iq people to be cops
+--- 15355332
+>>15354660
+This.
+--- 15355877
+>>15350412
+nobody cares how much time you wasted on education if you're still worthless when you emerge from it. worse than worthless in the case of doctors.
+--- 15355946
+>>15350412
+The moment you get any health problem you'll start dealing with """medicine""" and realize it's a bunch of crap. Scamdemic revealed the amount of duplicity massively. I'll never trust these people again
+--- 15355999
+>>15355946
+The level of competency in doctors has declined as the standards for their certification have declined. When the Hippocratic Oath stopped being mandatory for certification the decline became a freefall.
+--- 15356007
+>>15355999
+I've talked to several people who mention the older ones are going straight to the internet for treatment plans
+--- 15356460
+>>15353430
+They don't even have the ability to be good doctors
+--- 15357294
+>>15356007
+if too much of that happens all useful info will be scrubbed from the internet and replaced with something more profitable
+--- 15358871
+>>15355999
+new oath just dropped
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AujwxJNZtp8 [Embed]
+enjoy
+--- 15359201
+>>15358871
+They turned it into leftist propaganda.
+
+>the class of 2025
+
+Wait...mutts are still wearing the mask everywhere?! I thought these measures would only last 2 weeks and then we'll be back to normal.

sci/15344539.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,410 @@
+-----
+--- 15344539
+Looks like all of the handwringing chicken littles who incessantly complain that the world is coming to an end because of overpopulation just got told hard by science. Maybe they'll finally shut up now, or maybe they'll kys out of shame, either would be a big improvement. 
+Whats their new doomsday lie going to be, anyone have a guess?
+--- 15344572
+>>15344539 (OP)
+>humans
+Some billions aren't human
+--- 15344577
+>>15344539 (OP)
+>>Earth’s population could soon start falling, here’s why
+>explains white genocide like a boss
+--- 15344582
+>>15344539 (OP)
+>overpopulation bullshit
+There are parts of several countries completely uninhabited. We haven't figured out a cheap way to take salt from water and still haven't mapped the ocean floor. Fucking christ global warming is screamed as the next end then a fucking coof forced everyone on a 3 day vacation that showed the earth fixing itself overnight. Every doomsday is bullshit, and the only ones that are worrying are nukes, nigs, and no pussy no taxes.
+--- 15344583
+>>15344539 (OP)
+>Whats their new doomsday lie going to be, anyone have a guess?
+They still have the nonexistent climate apocalypse
+--- 15344588
+>>15344539 (OP)
+For a long time, probably all of my life, I heard how humans have an overpopulation problem. And only recently have people begun complaining about low birth rates. Ok, isn't that a good thing? Don't you want the population to decline? Can't have high birth rates and a declining population. Some people are just never satisfied.
+--- 15344592
+>>15344539 (OP)
+Good, I have personally done a lot of research on this subject, seen statistics from multiple countries and read all sorts of studies. Around 3/4th of global population in below replacement (fertility wise) right now. I think by the end of this century global population can fall by around 40% and this is a conservative estimate, it goes to as high as 60%
+--- 15344626
+>>15344539 (OP)
+> got told hard by science
+>science says
+>/sci/
+I can't wait for the AI to shoot me in the head, please hurry chat GPT. Get me the fuck out.
+>>15344588
+Demographics being fucked because it takes 18 years to make an 18-year-old isn't the same as overcoming a lack of available resources to feed the currently starving. The world's richest country can't figure out how to get lunches into the stomachs of their children I don't know what the fuck the rest of the world is hoping for.
+--- 15344640
+>>15344626
+The rest of world is literally starving and committing suicide. In just last 1 year countries across South Asia and Africa (Pakistan, Srilanka, South Africa) have gone bankrupt, they have no real economy anymore, people are priced out of basic necessities like food and health care, even basic infrastructure like electricity and water supply have collapsed. This was bound to happen sooner or later, less than 100 years have passed since these countries got independence from "Oppressive Colonialism" and they have already gone to absolute shit, not to say all these years, they were afloat thanks to western aid.
+--- 15344648
+>>15344588
+>high life expectancy
+>low birth rate
+>civilization dies due to a whimper because society cant pay for old people in diapers
+--- 15344654
+>>15344648
+Consider it as Nature's last laugh.
+--- 15344657
+>>15344626
+If you want the population to decline you're going to have to live with "demographics being fucked."
+--- 15344658
+>>15344626
+you just like to moan and complain because you're a bitch with nothing else to offer other than feigned concern over nonexistent problems.
+--- 15344664
+>>15344654
+Its not natural. Its designed by the elites promoting "overpopulation" meme
+--- 15344666
+>>15344640
+>these countries got independence from "Oppressive Colonialism" and they have already gone to absolute shit,
+Fuck them. I'd say nuke from orbit, but we shouldn't even waste nukes on them.
+--- 15344673
+>>15344658
+The global economy is collapsing in real time, you fucking retard.
+>>15344657
+Overpopulation isn't a problem because the number is big. It's a problem with resource allocation leading to human suffering. As anon pointed out here,
+>>15344640
+Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Cuba all those government's already collapsed. Chinese people are fucked and are currently out of work and are not getting paid for the work they've done. We're all going to have to live with demographics being fucked. There is no choice here because you can't shit out ready to work people on a whim, it takes time.
+--- 15344693
+Imagine Weimar but in Turd World.
+--- 15344696
+>>15344673
+you just like to moan and complain because you're a bitch with nothing else to offer other than feigned concern over nonexistent problems.
+--- 15344701
+>>15344696
+Economic collapse hitting so hard the shills can only afford one sentence.
+--- 15344710
+>>15344693
+I have seen videos from South Asia, with people literally running behind trucks anf fighting over sacks of grain, dozens died in stampede.
+--- 15344729
+>>15344701
+kek
+--- 15344760
+>>15344710
+>meanwhile on the other side of border in afghanistan everything is peaceful and well organized 
+the entire planet is rapidly realigning against western liberalism and its epic
+--- 15345607
+>>15344539 (OP)
+they'll just come up with another reason to moan about how the world is coming to an end, doomsday prophets have been around longer than history has been recorded.
+tiny babies learn that they can get what they want by crying, some people never mature and continue that behavior for their entire lives
+--- 15345658
+>>15344539 (OP)
+Canada solved the demographic issue with MAID. Old person being annoying? Gaslight them into suicide. Bam, no longer have to pay.
+--- 15345732
+>>15344539 (OP)
+>Looks like all of the handwringing chicken littles who incessantly complain that the world is coming to an end because of overpopulation
+Literally who
+--- 15346798
+>>15344648
+Should have saved something for old age then.
+--- 15347138
+>>15345607
+>the world is coming to an end because of overpopulation 
+>what? it isn't?
+>but that means nobody will be around to pay into social security!!
+>the world is coming to an end because of underpopulation!!!
+--- 15347152
+>>15344539 (OP)
+>overpopulation won't happen because.. IT JUST WON'T HAPPEN, OKAY?
+--- 15347198
+>human population exponential growth reaches a certain point and then goes down
+woah
+--- 15347205
+>>15347152
+>introduce tons of free grain to Africa
+>population goes up
+>anon thinks a giant population based on foreign grain they don't even control the supply of is going to last until overpopulation is a problem.
+--- 15347256
+>>15344582
+>the only ones that are worrying are nukes, nigs, and no pussy no taxes
+All worrying. I also think if AI takes a decent chunk of jobs we could see a lot of unhappy unemployed people with time on their hands.
+--- 15347259
+>>15344626
+>The world's richest country can't figure out how to get lunches into the stomachs of their children
+No one is starving in America lol. Most people are eating themselves to death.
+--- 15347263
+Isnt it crazy how the corporation worshipping "conservatives" plan is always to demoralise themselves and do nothing
+--- 15347460
+>>15347263
+true, and sad
+--- 15347469
+>>15347152
+https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2025/
+--- 15347475
+>>15347263
+are you an ai that was trained on a 20 year old data set?
+https://nypost.com/2023/04/12/anheuser-busch-down-5b-in-value-amid-dylan-mulvaney-bud-light-controversy/
+--- 15347551
+>>15347469
+That's because Africa is only 1/7 of the world population. Literally everywhere else population is dropping so the population pyramid hides the African birth rates.
+>>15347205
+The west will keep feeding Africa even if they themselves will starve. Mass mental illness is a problem.
+--- 15347559
+>>15347259
+even our homeless people are fat
+--- 15347579
+>>15344539 (OP)
+OH DEAR GOD NO!!!! How will western banks and construction corporations survive when their business model literally depends on high 3rd world birth rates??
+--- 15347648
+>>15347551
+That Mental illness is caused Pathological Altruism, it has its origins in kikestianity.
+--- 15347669
+>>15344539 (OP)
+You're leaving out the black people. There's billions of them and their skin is black. Over one hundred tens of million enter the US every hour and take all the jobs because of the jews. The jews want to create a slave race that they can control so they want to mix black people with us because we know that blacks are out of control. You can't understand black skin unless you're red pilled like I am
+--- 15347674
+>>15347579
+All Debt Financing is based on belief in future growth of money supply, without an increasing population to support that circulation, it cannot function.
+--- 15347682
+>>15347669
+All of the turd world will fall into economic crisis, socio-political chaos and eventual starvation, with declining first world demand, just go and see what happened with Srilanka and what is happening with Pakistan, the turd world has no Independent system.
+--- 15347689
+>>15347674
+it can function with technological improvement instead. Likewise that cannot continue indefinitely either.
+
+This is all known and scientifically proven basic fact - has been for centuries. Interesting that humanity has become an abject failure at grasping such a simple concept.
+--- 15347717
+>>15347689
+> it can function with technological improvement instead
+No, it cannot, infact technological improvement will stagnate and lot of know-how will be lost. You don't know what you are talking about. 
+You need increasing number of Humans to circulate an increasing amount of money supply. The money in itself has no value, it has value only because of increasing demand by increasing number of people. Technology has nothing to do with it.
+For Retards who cannot understand - 
+Imagine a Bank gives out a loan to a man to establish a business, the man dies while paying off the loan, he has no children, the bank has no way to recover the money fully, it also looses the interest money. Now scale this to entire country, where population is declining per generation, and demand for money is declining.
+There are certain short term COPES that can slow the falling apart process, but no actual long term solution.
+--- 15347733
+Infact this is the reason we have so much inflation, the governments through out the West have been artificially pumping money into circulation since atleast 70s, through money printing and extremely low interest rates, it's interesting in most western countries the TFR fell below replacement rate in early 70s.
+One other COPE they have tried is import of masses from the turd world, hasn't really worked out though, infact in US the mexicans caused GFC, reason being the inability of westerners to understand that these turd worlders migrate to West for only 2 reasons
+1. White (preferably underage) pussy
+2. Free GIBS 
+Studies after Studies have shown that these groups have higher rates of unemployment than the native population, most of them live on gobermint provided gibs and housing, the situation is specially critical in Europe.
+--- 15347768
+>we're so underpopulated!!! look at all this uninhabitable land with no humans in it!!!
+--- 15348139
+>>15347648
+Yep. Even "racist" christcucks like Puke Smith are fine with Africans breeding, he says they are doing what they are supposed to do unlike westerners, when in reality earth can't sustain the current population for much longer.
+--- 15348169
+>>15347768
+I would rather have humans go extinct thanks. Imagine wanting ten gorillion nigger subhumans shitting up the Earth. 
+Their population shot up, thanks to kikestians and leftists starting their "Year of Africa" BS in 60s.
+--- 15348196
+>>15344539 (OP)
+>could
+>soon
+>start
+Still won't make up for the increase over the past decade, so I'll continue to spout overpopulation as I have been a decade ago
+--- 15348334
+>>15347551
+>The west will keep feeding Africa
+uh huh
+--- 15348509
+>>15348378
+>western educated Africans
+Are they still in Africa or are you talking about American niggers?
+--- 15348516
+>>15344539 (OP)
+>muh fertility collapse
+Fertility rates will almost certainly rebound in the long run.
+
+
+https://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5X18lqyDO0 [Embed]
+--- 15350469
+>>15348539
+sad & low iq
+--- 15351461
+>>15348139
+africans are smarter than euros
+https://twitter.com/AdvoBarryRoux/status/1646195352251269120
+--- 15351543
+the (manufactured) overpopulation scare of the 60s didn't account for half of all young men checking out of society or half of all young women becoming turbothots.
+--- 15352409
+>>15351543
+when is science going to address the problem of chicken littles constantly lying about the world being on the verge of death?
+--- 15352428
+>>15347256
+>I also think if AI takes a decent chunk of jobs we could see a lot of unhappy unemployed people with time on their hands.
+Production efficiency increase is only a problem in market based production.
+--- 15352453
+>>15352428
+correct, and ours is definitely not that. most people with jobs produce nothing whatsoever. the job is only there to keep them busy
+--- 15352541
+>>15347259
+https://www.winonapost.com/opinion/hungry-students-do-indeed-exist/article_18d4fe84-d958-11ed-bf69-03c5587cfdb0.html
+https://news.yahoo.com/student-hunger-pervasive-ohio-153000482.html
+https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-dakota-senate-votes-expand-175642628.html
+Many such cases.
+You live in a shit ass country.
+--- 15352995
+>>15352453
+Because the size and scale of hospitals have only increased over the years. You think you can make one guy do the jobs of 7 people?
+--- 15352999
+>>15348139
+>when in reality earth can't sustain the current population for much longer.
+Not even remotely true.
+--- 15353020
+>>15352999
+yeah, thats just more chicken little bullshit from the mentally ill messiah complex community
+--- 15353489
+>>15353020
+oh no the world is coming to an end 
+therefore 
+you have to give me all your money and property 
+
+extremely common low iq form of manipulative behavior. if they weren't low iq they could invent convincing lies
+--- 15354264
+>>15352999
+>t.
+--- 15354329
+>Looks like all of the handwringing chicken littles who incessantly complain that the world is coming to an end because of overpopulation
+Who? It's been well known population is going to start to to down in the 21st century
+--- 15354486
+>>15354329
+Dutch media for example.
+--- 15354494
+>>15344539 (OP)
+it is zimply a matter of removing ze CARbon
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IaEgcRgE__M [Embed]
+--- 15354502
+>>15354494
+Swabby is right
+--- 15354516
+>>15354494
+And re-place ze animul proteen. Picrel.
+--- 15354517
+>world becomes massively overpopulated
+>people see it's overpopulated
+>"Hey maybe we should stop having kids"
+>World population massively declines the next generation
+>World reaches a new population equilibrium with no growth/decline
+It's pretty simple. Yes, the world population is going to decline, a lot, but itll stabilize soon after that. My guess is somewhere around 4-5 billion, so about half of what we have now, but 3 billion is also a possibility.
+--- 15354687
+>>15353489
+thats how scientists get paid
+they're incapable of earning their wages, so they lie and steal instead
+we'd all be better off without them
+--- 15355012
+>>15354486
+Maybe Europe, some African regions, India, and southeast Asia /are/ overpopulated. I live in NY but wouldn't want to live in NYC.
+--- 15355070
+>>15355012
+Birthrates of the native Dutch and East-Asian immigrants are below replacement. The population of The Netherlands is increasing due to mass immigration from outside the EU.
+--- 15355246
+>>15347551
+And thats why I refuse to pay taxes.
+--- 15355376
+>>15347138
+This, but it's done intentionally 
+>climate change will destroy the world if you have kids goyim. End overpopulation 
+>I can't believe you didn't have kids goyim. Who's going to pay for social security now?
+>Looks like we'll have to bring in these syrian child refugees (who are actually 30 year olds from the congo) to pay for social security now since you didn't have enough kids
+--- 15355454
+>>15344539 (OP)
+Let me guess, you are a third world poor motherfucker who lives with 50 cousins.
+
+Either way, fuck putting up with loads of useless shitting cunts everywhere you weirdo. They all your friends are they?
+
+I bet you don't even live near a main road or drive.
+
+Faggot. Go kill yourself and let me watch so I can feel bloodlust over your gay life coming to an end. I want to witness your gay soul leave your body.
+--- 15355940
+>>15354687
+pol pot wiped out his academics and cambodia suffered no negative consequences as a result
+--- 15355979
+>>15344539 (OP)
+Take you 20th jab
+Cut off your penis
+Mutilate your vagina
+Use condom
+Take the pill
+Own nothing
+Have no privacy
+You will be 
+Ze happy
+--- 15355998
+>>15355940
+wonder how much of western academia is deadwood
+--- 15356021
+>>15344582
+>we haven't found a cheap way to take salt from water
+>what is boiling
+--- 15356121
+>>15344577
+Birth rates are falling precipitously in Africa and Asia. 
+>>15344648
+>what are robots/AI
+You are dumdum
+--- 15356138
+>>15356121
+>what are robots/AI
+
+>its 2035
+>robots and AI are here
+>because we have robots and AI, people no longer feel the need to procreate, as hopes of humanity is lost to robots/ai and dreams of consciousness upload end up as religious worship
+--- 15356145
+>>15355940
+Being a economic, cultural, and political backwater that is dramatically underdeveloped and is the protectorate of Vietnam since they haven't had the capacity to form a legitimate ruling class to head the country aren't negative consequences?
+--- 15356148
+>>15356138
+>>because we have robots and AI, people no longer feel the need to procreate,
+Just because you'll never have sex with a woman doesn't mean that every other man won't and that they won't want to start a family.
+--- 15356155
+>>15356148
+>every other man will have sex with a real woman because uhhh robot sex dolls dont do it
+
+You're not a man.
+--- 15356179
+>>15355998
+100%
+but they aren't deadwood, their toxicity makes them a far worse substance
+--- 15356185
+>>15356121
+>what are robots/AI
+science fiction
+--- 15356212
+>>15356185
+Okay bub. Guess you'd rather have Djameniq from Jamaica carry you around in your assisted living home rather than this cute Japanese robot bear.
+--- 15356481
+>>15356145
+>underdeveloped 
+because they didn't wipe out khmer culture and tradition in favor of globohomo faggotry? thats actually a tremendous accomplishment. do you consider bugman china better developed just because they have some fast trains and colorful skyscrapers? is development status measured by similarity to europe? isn't that kind of racist?
+--- 15356505
+>>15356481
+Not having modern medicine or infrastructure and dying younger isn’t something to be proud of retard. 
+> isn't that kind of racist?
+Lmao. You are retarded.
+--- 15357288
+>>15352453
+>one a piss colored
+>the other shit colored
+subtle commentary by the creator of that graphic
+--- 15357482
+>>15344539 (OP)
+We have been overpopulated for more then century. Anything above 1 billion is overpopulation
+--- 15357523
+>>15344539 (OP)
+we're already over populated.
+--- 15357915
+>>15356121
+>Birth rates are falling precipitously in Africa and Asia.
+from 7 kids per woman to barely 5.8 kids per woman 
+africa is depopulating, it's over blackbros
+--- 15357974
+>>15357915
+The equator has fallen.
+--- 15358780
+>>15357523
+you should kill yourself if you think theres too many people and you want to do something about it. if you're not willing to do that then your expression of concern is just a lie
+--- 15359055
+>>15358780
+Why aren't you donating all your money to feed hungry people of breeding age if you think we're underpopulated? And not I don't mean Africans, any poor people in your area. Give them all your money so they can get education, stable jobs, and have kids. It will help underpopulation more than 1 guy killing himself helping overpopulation.
+
+Don't tell me you're a hypocrite and won't do it.
+--- 15359246
+>>15357915
+You’re a disingenuous faggot. 
+
+>When compared with other continents, Africa’s fertility rates of 4.5 children per woman in 2017 seem high. Indeed, it’s the highest in the world. But that figure is low compared with Africa's birthrates of previous decades. It stood at an average of 6.6 children per woman in 1980. 
+
+>And these rates has been falling across the continent. In the Sahel, for example, the region with the highest fertility rates, the number of children per woman has dropped from 7 to 5.7 since 1980. The most spectacular drop has been in North Africa, where the rate was cut in half in 37 years, from 6 children per woman to 3.
+
+>There is an ongoing demographic transition in Southern Africa and the countries of the Indian Ocean, where the current fertility rate is 4 children per woman, and the rate is trending downward.
+--- 15360228
+>>15344592
+good.flac

sci/15345008.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,147 @@
+-----
+--- 15345008
+High ranking dimwits of the federal government when asked what fraction of the atmosphere is CO2 by congress
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJfrKNR3K2k [Embed]
+Why are these upper level government officials so low on the IQ scale?
+--- 15345029
+>>15345008 (OP)
+anon, the atmosphere is 67% phlogiston. please correct your numbers accordingly
+--- 15345603
+>i trust the soience
+the soience is just ignorance based guesses from political appointees.
+--- 15346905
+>>15345008 (OP)
+God, I love Greta Thunberg.
+
+She hasn't responded to my dm, but I can hope.
+--- 15346910
+>>15346905
+You going to get her an OnlyFans page going?
+--- 15346915
+>>15346910
+No, I just want to ask her on a date.
+--- 15346931
+>>15345008 (OP)
+Damn, that's worse than the federal judge nominee who didn't know what Article V of the constitution says. 
+
+https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/biden-judicial-nominee-doesnt-know-what-constitution-does
+--- 15346946
+>>15346915
+If you tap that tarded ass, post the vids in /hc/ bro for scientific research.
+--- 15347010
+>>15346931
+Leftists are all retards. They wouldn't be leftists if they were not.
+--- 15347023
+>>15345008 (OP)
+Because "people" who enter politics are socio pathic narcissists that think they have a right to interfere with the personal lives of others.
+The principle duty of congress is to regulate trade, domestic and foreign.everything they do outside of that is jaw droppingly stupid and frankly an embarrasment
+--- 15347334
+>>15347023
+>Because "people" who enter politics are socio pathic narcissists that think they have a right to interfere with the personal lives of others.
+Truth. 
+Get rid of all government in the world. 
+Peaceful Anarchy is the only way.
+--- 15347483
+>>15345008 (OP)
+lol
+--- 15347641
+>>15345008 (OP)
+is this what soimaxing looks like?
+--- 15348396
+>>15347334
+>Get rid of all government in the world.
+That's a retarded idea. As soon as the governments are gone, monarchies will develop because someone somewhere will want more than what they have. So they form a gang. And that gang grows in power and conquers until it controls a country's worth of land and resources. 
+You think that pistol and hunting rifle will keep you safe from 500 people just like you, but working together? With their own pistols and hunting rifles? How about 
+vs 5000? 50000? Think again! 
+>Peaceful Anarchy
+That's an oxymoron.
+--- 15348529
+>>15348396
+The whole purpose of judeo atheist revolutions by the bourgeois in NL, UK and France and Russia was to remove the kings and priests off of their backs. priests and kings took their money and told them what to do , who to marry, daily rules and so on . it was awful for the bourgeois bug.
+
+atheism= hedonism+ propaganda that christian kings are evil, in order to make a society based on commerce alone, and not on priests and military conquests
+
+The typical life of a bourgeois is going to orgies at night and then during day getting bored since they have a very shallow meaningless job or even just be trust fund babies and all they do in the afternoon is getting ready to go parties in the evening.
+From time to time they want to feel like good guys so back in the day they would go to church on the sunday morning after their saturday night orgy.
+
+Nowadays they just push for humanism, ie the philosophy they themselves crafted to take power.
+
+And women lead the same life of the bourgeoisie, this is why they thrive so much in the bourgeois pinnacle creation: the democratic republic.
+A woman truly have no hypocrisy when all she does in her life is using hundreds of orbiters to get them solve her daily life problems, when she gets free gifts by men, when she has lots of casual sex free of charge, when men put her on a pedestal while her skills are non-existent. A woman is hedonistic and she has very little work do to get an easy life.
+Women coast thru life thanks to
+-being the apex predator on the liberalized sex market (liberalized by the bourgeoisie since bourgeois hate sexual conventions, because it prevents cooming).
+Both women and bourgeois are bisexual sex freaks.
+-being deeply neurotic, desperate to virtue signal during the day to gain atheist karma points
+-being the only species able to sustain high dose of hypocrisy, ie being self centered hedonist but also pushing for more humanism, because they have no introspection faculty
+--- 15348532
+>>15348529
+the only difference between a bourgeois and a woman, is that the bourgeois perfectly knows he is a scumbag who doesnt care one bit about the peasants in private, while claiming in public that caring about peasants is super important.
+--- 15348734
+>>15346915
+Based retard fucker
+--- 15349379
+>>15345008 (OP)
+But it isnt? Its 0.4%...
+--- 15349516
+>>15348396
+>As soon as the governments are gone, monarchies will develop
+A monarchy = government. 
+You glow and are dumb, only parroting what your handlers tell you. 
+You are a slave in a government monarchy.
+--- 15349531
+>>15348396
+>So they form a gang. And that gang grows in power and conquers until it controls a country's worth of land and resources.
+>Never heard of vigilante militias. 
+The only thing bad people fear is the wrath of good people and their vigilantism.
+--- 15350027
+>>15349956
+>take note of the guy's limited vocabulary, is he too wasted on drugs to remember the word "narrow" or just very dumb? maybe a brainwashing or lobotomy victim?
+Democrats/RINO's, the political party of sCieNcE!
+--- 15351433
+>>15349385
+imagine thinking that changing the composition of the atmosphere by 0.01% is going to make "the greenhouse effect" change by 10%
+--- 15351465
+>>15351433
+>imagine thinking that changing the composition of A constituent of the atmosphere by 25% is going to make "the greenhouse effect" change by 10%
+You're right, it should be more like 25%
+--- 15352412
+>>15349516
+lolbergs are idiots, thats why they're mocked so widely
+--- 15353577
+>>15349379
+0.04%
+--- 15354728
+amazing how out of touch the idiots running the show in d.c. are. they could only have achieved their positions via means other than intellectual merit
+--- 15355306
+>>15351465
+The absolute intelligence of climate sois.
+--- 15355321
+>>15355306
+I'm not the moron who doesn't know how greenhouse gasses work.
+--- 15355343
+>>15355321
+You seem to think that CO2 is the only one, which makes you severely mentally retarded.
+--- 15355384
+>>15355343
+Cope harder, retard. I never said or implied it was the only one.
+--- 15355388
+>>15355384
+See >>15351465
+--- 15355587
+>>15355388
+Nothing in that sentence implies that CO2 is the only greenhouse gas. Improve your literacy.
+--- 15355821
+>>15354728
+they mostly do it via nepotism
+--- 15355876
+>>15355587
+Why would increasing the concentration of a trace gas by 25% increase the overall "greenhouse effect" by 25%?
+--- 15356698
+>>15355876
+Depends on if you're interested in science or political activism
+--- 15356743
+>>15356698
+Give me both explanations.
+--- 15358573
+>>15356743
+no in the former case, yes in the later

sci/15345195.txt

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+-----
+--- 15345195
+Can you /sci/entists explain me why the concept of species is not applied to humans
+Sure, German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species.
+--- 15345205
+>>15345195 (OP)
+Those are breeds
+--- 15345242
+>>15345218
+The distance to the Neamderthals is something like ten times greater.
+--- 15345278
+>>15345195 (OP)
+Subspecies is not a biological term that is used 
+The way species are distinct is in producing offspring.
+For example, there are species of insects that look basically identical on the outside but are from different species. Why? Becouse they have incompatible genetalia. There's a similar thing in birds but with differences in courting behaviour instead.
+There are exceptions like frogs interbreeding and making a fertile hybrids, but that sort of thing becomes less and less possible when you go towards mammals and birds, as there are a whole bunch of failsafes on all levels thst prevent that.
+
+So if for example that weird guy that wands sexually dimorphic people gets what he wants but it's essentially impossible for impregnation to occur naturally with the size difference, they become kind of different species. Even then no, because dogs are all one species although some can't interbreed due to this. Even if they cinseive, you can expect complications during pregnancy.
+
+Is that a sufficient answer to this question? I've taken it on myself to not view it in bad faith and would appreciate if you do the same.
+--- 15345314
+>>15345278
+>Subspecies is not a biological term that is used
+why because it's not politically correct?
+--- 15345331
+>>15345195 (OP)
+I would say it's...
+It's politics !
+--- 15345346
+Obvious troll thread. See Common Cuckoo and Happy Face Spiders as both those species have races too.
+--- 15345359
+>>15345195 (OP)
+>>15345278
+>The way species are distinct is in producing offspring.
+No. 
+Species are categorized arbitrarily without a sound scientific process. There's like 20 different definitions of species and none of them fit the actual uses of the term.
+Many different species, even among mammals, are exceptions to your definition and have fertile offspring in the wild, like coyotes and wolves, sapiens and neandertal, or pic related.
+
+The concepts of species and subspecies is not applied to humans because people are afraid it could be used to justify genocide, or to oppose population replacement in the west. There is no scientific argument, except fallacious ones designed to mask the political ones.
+--- 15345386
+>>15345195 (OP)
+--- 15345403
+>Sure, German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species.
+smartest racist
+--- 15345405
+>>15345359
+--- 15345438
+>>15345195 (OP)
+>Sure, German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species.
+anon just went full retard
+--- 15345964
+>>15345195 (OP)
+Why would you use a paraphyletic concept when human populations are monophyletic? So are animals of course. The paraphyly of subspecies is one of the main reasons it's a nonsense concept. You are "subspecies" of Africans in any case, and somehow I doubt you'll be happy with that fact.
+--- 15346001
+>>15345314
+No, because it doesn't serve a purpose in modern biology
+>>15345359
+That might have been that way originally and we do suffer from historic conventions and the fact that non biologists often operate of a 1960s level of understanding biology at best, but no biologist worth their salt would dispute the fact that the concept of a species has a lot of exceptions.
+How often do wolves and coyotes interbreed in the wild? As I said, it includes behaviour.
+There are plants that can interbreed easily but they bloom at different times and this are defined as different species.
+Just because they can artificially be made to produce fertile offspring is not that important. What matters is what happens in the wild
+Also, you are being a lot more negative than the ammount this discussion seems to be reasonably able to warrant.
+--- 15346026
+>>15345964
+>a paraphyletic concept
+>subspecies
+Who said so ? Subspecies don't have to be paraphyletic. Some are, like species, because the original classfication was based on phenotypes, but it's generally being corrected.
+
+>somehow I doubt you'll be happy with that fact.
+I don't know about OP, but I'm racist and i am just as fine with it as I am with being an ape.
+--- 15346041
+>>15346026
+>Subspecies don't have to be paraphyletic.
+Which is why I wrote the following,
+>>15345964
+>You are "subspecies" of Africans in any case, and somehow I doubt you'll be happy with that fact.
+In any event the paraphyletic/monophyletic intermixing nature of such a designation makes it utterly ridiculous for anything but mere convenience for geographic or similar designation. Its lack of coherent meaning would easily explain "why" you don't bother with such a classification among humans.
+>I don't know about OP, but I'm racist and i am just as fine with it as I am with being an ape.
+Not sure how you square that circle given how ridiculously inbred humans are. You might as well just be a general misanthrope who hates everyone but his own family at that point.
+--- 15346045
+>>15346001
+>it doesn't serve a purpose in modern biology
+Why is it still used then ?
+
+>How often do wolves and coyotes interbreed in the wild? As I said, it includes behaviour.
+Then at what frequency of interbreeding do two populations become different species ?
+And then we'll have to ask : how often do human populations interbreed in the wild ? We don't live in the wild anymore, but we did for millenia, and at that time there was very little gene flow between continents.
+--- 15346050
+>>15345195 (OP)
+>German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species
+Lol, no
+--- 15346051
+>>15346045
+>Why is it still used then ?
+NTA. Law, convenience, ecological subpopulation preservation, etc. Nothing that would be relevant for "applying it to humans".
+--- 15346066
+>>15346041
+>>You are "subspecies" of Africans in any case,
+Oh I see, you're saying that an "african" subspecies is necessarily paraphyletic if it doesn't includes the rest of humanity. 
+But that's an easily solved issue : no one said such a subspecies has to exist. It's fine if for example, khoisan peoples are separated from other current africans into their own subspecies.
+
+>Not sure how you square that circle given how ridiculously inbred humans are.
+We're not very inbred. There is significant genetic distance between human groups that cause significant issues in multiracial societies.
+--- 15346077
+>>15346051
+>Law, convenience, ecological subpopulation preservation, etc. Nothing that would be relevant for "applying it to humans".
+I think all of these are relevant to humans. I'd add sociological and anthropological concerns.
+--- 15346082
+>>15345278
+>Subspecies is not a biological term that is used
+this is a plain lie. don't even continue.
+--- 15346087
+>>15345964
+>a paraphyletic concept
+now you are just throwing around words without understanding them.
+--- 15346091
+I think our anti-subspecies schizo here is one of those who think the "sub" in subspecies is the same "sub" as in "subhuman", that a subspecies is deemed inferior to a species, not a part of it.
+--- 15346126
+>>15345195 (OP)
+>the concept of species is not applied to humans
+It applies to everything including humans, but there's only one species of human
+
+The definition of species is
+>A group of closely related organisms that are very similar to each other and are usually capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring
+That's all you need to know to see why there's only one species. All humans can breed with eachother and produce fertile offspring
+--- 15346128
+>>15345218
+>>15346126
+--- 15346240
+>>15345278
+>For example, there are species of insects that look basically identical on the outside but are from different species
+Yeah but we are talking about the same species and it's sub-species
+Are you a leftie or a n- lover?
+--- 15346257
+>>15345195 (OP)
+>Can you /sci/entists explain me why the concept of species is not applied to humans
+Because it's politically incorrect. That's literally the only reason there is. The solution would be to come up with an objective measure for what makes two groups different species. For instance, ability to interbreed. However, this would also be politically incorrect, since humans can interbreed with neanderthals and probably even homo erectus and possibly even chimpanzees. That'd mean that there are absolutely wild differences between people of one rase, and that's politically incorrect to the extreme.
+--- 15346534
+>>15346066
+>It's fine if for example, khoisan peoples are separated from other current africans into their own subspecies.
+Not really. Might as well declare each individual their own subspecies.
+>We're not very inbred.
+The effective genetic ancestry of modern humans is only ~7,000-14,000 individuals. Successive founder effects narrow that even further.
+>There is significant genetic distance
+Genetic distance is calculated different ways for different purposes, but is nonetheless an arithmetic mean. As everyone should know, the arithmetic mean is subject to being driven by rare extremes in the data. It makes it a useful tool for identifying population relatedness and distance, defined by those extremes, but not at all relevant nor useful for determining how similar most people are. Wrong tool. The right tool would be simple single base-pair differences. Even then, doesn't tell us if that 1/1000 nucleotide difference is meaningful or not.
+
+In summation, 1. Humans compared to most other animals are very similar to one another, 2. Most of the genetic differences are within populations because we're highly inbred subsets of Africans.
+Just picking a random summary with a very large set of references and citations https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/10/20/2199/559343
+These two facts have been known for a very long time. More recent endeavors have only more strongly affirmed both. This is to such a degree that to argue otherwise would be as wrong as arguing that Earth is flat. The notion would be contrary to all relevant evidence, and only possible to think otherwise by gross misunderstanding of, or lying about, that evidence. Even if you for some reason reject correction on genetic distance, the same pattern occurs.
+>cause significant issues in multiracial societies.
+I would be genuinely impressed if you have managed to do the work to establish independent causal relationship for complex phenotypes. Otherwise you're just equivocating association with causation.
+--- 15346541
+>>15345195 (OP)
+yeah, do I think that I am of different spiece from this picrel? yes
+--- 15346615
+>>15345195 (OP)
+
+clearly we're sun based, move outta the way MOON FAGGOTS.
+
+dark > light
+--- 15346639
+>>15345278
+>The way species are distinct is in producing offspring.
+There are plenty of species that can interbreed and produce viable offspring, but they are considered to be different species. The Savannah Cat is one example.
+--- 15346654
+>>15345278
+>The way species are distinct is in producing offspring
+>Becouse they have incompatible genetalia
+isn't this false? I remember a fish species that are the same in everything but their xenomorph second mouth
+--- 15346664
+>>15345218
+Abos are actually closer genetically to humans (white) than niggers (blacks) are.
+
+You are thinking of pygmies.
+--- 15346718
+>>15346257
+>Because it's politically incorrect. That's literally the only reason there is. The solution would be to come up with an objective measure for what makes two groups different species.
+Yes, obviously. It is pretty much impossible to come up with a rigorous, objective definition of species/subspecies that groups humans as 1 unit while still maintaining useful divisions among other lifeforms. So the result is that the definition has to be left as vague and nebulous as possible, so that every PC position can be defended simultaneously. The easiest way for slimy leftists masquerading as scientists to achieve this is to map sociological concepts onto biology, since social constructs can be assigned arbitrarily.
+--- 15346751
+>>15346534
+>Might as well declare each individual their own subspecies.
+If it's more than three it might as well be 7 billions ? That doesn't sound right.
+Grey wolves have 38 subspecies despite recent population bottlenecks, why shouldn't we have something similar ?
+
+>The effective genetic ancestry of modern humans is only ~7,000-14,000 individuals.
+I thought you were talking about gene flow between populations. How does it compare with the effective genetic ancestry of other species with subspecies ? Is it on the low end of the spectrum (in which case your argument fails), or outside of it entirely ?
+
+>The right tool would be simple single base-pair differences.
+Between populations ? That would hide dissimilarities that are due to differences in allele frequency.
+After all "most of the information that distinguishes populations is hidden in the correlation structure of the data"
+
+>1. Humans compared to most other animals are very similar to one another, 
+I dunno. Genetic distance between continental groups is similar to that of wolves and coyotes.
+>2. Most of the genetic differences are within populations because we're highly inbred subsets of Africans.
+That is irrelevant, the remaining differences can still be significant.
+
+>Otherwise you're just equivocating association with causation.
+We haven't established independent causal relationships for the difference in behaviour between wolves and dogs. But I think it's genetics. Don't you ?
+--- 15346792
+>>15346751
+So are you a bot, or can you just not read? Guess I have to fucking spoon feed my own words to you. How fun.
+>If it's more than three it might as well be 7 billions ? That doesn't sound right.
+Strawman. If there's no valid formulation it cannot be said to have a stopping point that isn't arbitrary.
+>How does it compare with the effective genetic ancestry of other species with subspecies
+>>15346534
+>>Just picking a random summary with a very large set of references and citations https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/10/20/2199/559343
+>Between populations ? That would hide dissimilarities that are due to differences in allele frequency.
+>>15346534
+>>As everyone should know, the arithmetic mean is subject to being driven by rare extremes in the data. It makes it a useful tool for identifying population relatedness and distance, defined by those extremes, but not at all relevant nor useful for determining how similar most people are. Wrong tool.
+So you're admitting, in effect, to deliberately misleading people with exaggerated quantifications of rare differences. Very cool.
+>I dunno. Genetic distance between continental groups is similar to that of wolves and coyotes.
+>>15346534
+>>Just picking a random summary with a very large set of references and citations https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/10/20/2199/559343
+>That is irrelevant, the remaining differences can still be significant.
+>>15346534
+>>Even then, doesn't tell us if that 1/1000 nucleotide difference is meaningful or not.
+>We haven't established independent causal relationships for the difference in behaviour between wolves and dogs. But I think it's genetics. Don't you ?
+Ever find wild dogs? Go ahead try petting one. While you're at it, don't get treated for rabies. Almost like your 4th grade understanding of genetics is laughably infantile. Go look up the definition of a phenotype, while you're at it a complex phenotype. No shit every phenotype "is genetic". Doesn't mean what you think it means.
+--- 15346799
+>>15345195 (OP)
+Because dehumanizing people is the first step in genocide.
+
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization
+--- 15347412
+>>15346045
+It's not used in actual biological education and modern literature as far as I'm aware.
+>Then at what frequency of interbreeding do two populations become different species?
+You must remember that "species" is a term with a loaded history and changing definition. Some operate on the earlier interpretations because they are not aware of the change or too stubborn to change their views.
+Evolution happens incredibly slow, I don't think we ever witnessed the classic divergence of one species into two in the more "complex" taxa (have to be careful not to say "more advanced", that's some Whiggish view of evolution). There are hybridisation and other unorthodox ways, but nothing straightforward.
+
+TLDR It's complicated. Species is a human made concept that doesn't fit reality neatly. So it's usually case by case basis if it's not obvious. 
+Humans are a special case on top of that, and not just by civilization. We evolved really fast and apparently could still interbreed with neanderthals and Denisovans and other hominids because we weren't that different.
+We are essentially a hybrid species ourselves it seems
+--- 15347414
+>>15345278
+Why are cattle and bison different species? In fact different genuses? Is it just because the ability to interbreed is imperfect? I think the male has to come from a specific species and the female from the other, and that these specific combinations have to be followed for the breeding to work, but where is the line generally?
+--- 15347419
+>>15346240
+Where did that come from?
+>>15346654
+You are judging by morphology which is an outdated approach. What makes a species different is the genotype, not the phenotype
+>>15346082
+Yeah, I guess I jumped the gun here. But the point is that it's a term used very carefully and mostly in relation to one celled organisms, plants and insects.
+--- 15347423
+>>15345195 (OP)
+subspecies is the same species
+--- 15347431
+>>15347414
+Again, species is a human term that is very full of holes and exceptions because nature doesn't care to be orderly for us
+--- 15347525
+>>15345195 (OP)
+>German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species.
+
+You are functionally retarded.
+--- 15347664
+>>15346799
+>is thing true or false?
+>false, because i don't like the consequences of it being true
+--- 15347667
+>>15347419
+>>15347412
+Subspecies designations are used more than for those, but mainly in the western world in particular and especially as matters of geological designation convenience of subpopulations or ecological preservation due to retarded legalese reasons. If you are not in the anglosphere or particularly the USA you may not be aware of the slapdash way this ended up evolving in our literature.
+
+In any event OP is a dishonest cunt. Or a completely retarded one.
+--- 15347683
+>>15347525
+So blacks and whites are very different breeds?
+--- 15347686
+>>15347683
+No. >>15346534
+--- 15347692
+>>15346534
+Why do people go to such lengths to pretend that we are all the same when we obviously are not? If your metric says that we are all the same, your metric is useless and nonsensical. 
+
+Also, why is there no movement like this to say that chimpanzees and humans are the same? We clearly are. And we absolutely should integrate chimpanzees into our societies. All the metrics say we are the same, after all. Any evidence to the contrary is just due to socioeconomic reasons and racist lies.
+--- 15347700
+>>15347692
+>bla bla bla dishonest strawmanning bla bla bla
+The real question is why are racists allergic to honest conversation? Oh, wait, I answered my own question.
+--- 15347920
+>>15345195 (OP)
+Because shitskins can't handle the fact that whites are colored like snow instead of like a stinky brown shit log that's been sunken in your toilet like a 16th century Spanish galleon.
+--- 15347938
+>>15347700
+>spout bullshit
+>call others racist
+This is why you need to be gassed. You're literally worthless and add nothing but noise to any conversation. Humans would be better off without you.
+--- 15348340
+>>15347938
+Always find it hilarious how none of you are able to engage with high school level biology, and have to resort to lying, strawmen, and declarations of homicidal intent. Truly, you are the best among /pol/.
+--- 15348403
+>>15345195 (OP)
+same reason why every feature is allowed to be considered genetically heritable except intelligence
+--- 15348409
+>>15348403
+You clearly don't know what heritable means.
+--- 15348688
+>>15348340
+>lose an argument
+>call others racists
+>pretend you won
+Repeat ad nauseam. Leftypol trannies are so incredibly predictable that you wouldn't even need a deep language model to imitate one. A first year CS-student could build a lefty-bot with a handful of if-then-statements. Maybe that's what you are?
+--- 15348783
+>>15347667
+Interesting. I'll check it out. Wasn't such an issue in my country
+--- 15348810
+>>15348688
+>Avoid engaging with any argument
+>Repeat doctrine blindly
+>Unsurprisingly get called racist for assuming race is causal absent causal evidence
+>Throw a tantrum and declare victory after shitting on the chessboard
+You know, you /pol/tards have a lot in common with flat earthers.
+--- 15348817
+>>15348783
+It's an issue in the anglosphere or more in the U.S. and canada where laws and things may be based on designations and conservation efforts have to be framed among subdivisions of local populations.
+
+Unfortunately the motivating factor for using such designations, however arbitrary, is definitely more of a legal one than a scientific one here. Hence the dishonesty of OP's like this one. I think every single time this thread has been brought up someone has explained the same thing and been completely ignored every single time. Almost like there's an axe being sharpened on the grinding stone motivating such posts. Almost like the jannies should do their fucking jobs.
+--- 15348820
+>>15348810
+>>Avoid engaging with any argument
+Talking about yourself?
+>>Repeat doctrine blindly
+>>Unsurprisingly get called racist for assuming race is causal absent causal evidence
+>>Throw a tantrum and declare victory after shitting on the chessboard
+>You know, you /pol/tards have a lot in common with flat earthers.
+Ad Nauseam, as I said.
+--- 15348831
+>>15348820
+>Talking about yourself?
+Given I am the only person to discuss the science and its limitations, let alone link any scientific article, no.
+>>15348820
+>Ad Nauseam, as I said.
+You, however, definitely are talking about yourself.
+Feel free to actually start discussing science at any point. Such as how it isn't racist to infer causation from race given the evidence does not and cannot support such an inference. Can't wait to hear any of you try to justify that one.
+
+Or just keep up this narcissistic schizophasia. Making yourself look bad works too.
+--- 15348840
+>>15348831
+Dismissing evidence and reason just because it points to racial differences does make you a good apparatchik, but, unfortunately, calling me a racist does not win a scientific debate.
+--- 15348863
+>>15348840
+>Dismissing evidence and reason just because it points to racial differences
+Feel free to quote where I did that. Or just admit your poor widdle ego is hurt because you can't engage with the actual topic and are scrambling to feel better about it to salve your narcissism.
+--- 15348872
+>>15348817
+Science is an interesting cat. You can twist it to serve your goals even without lying.
+Especially if you can pick and choose theories without any regard to other data.
+100 studies say x but 1 say's maybe y? Easy win, write an article with y and get a lot of engagement and the truth is burried becouse no one has time and cares to correct with enough enthusiasm
+--- 15348889
+>>15348863
+Your very first message to me was you calling me a racist. Which is really funny, since I put all 3 seconds of effort to my message, and it immediately broke you. Speaks volumes about how fragile your worldview really is.
+--- 15348923
+>>15345195 (OP)
+in real science it is
+
+if you consume soi and social media it isn't
+
+next question
+--- 15349013
+I don't even know why I browse this place anymore. Man, I just want to talk about science with people and have good faith conversations about fields of study that I find interesting. But instead, every baord that is dedicated to anything requiring even a modicum of brain power is shat up by disengenuous faggots that live in echo chambers so full of pseudo-information that their reality is made up of grifted or schitzophrenic understanding of the most basic of scientific understanding. Then if you refute or engage with them in anyway, they will never enage you in good faith, only resporting to moving the goal posts or picking highly specific, nit picks in your posts.
+
+It's all so tiring.
+--- 15349028
+>>15348889
+>Your very first message to me was you calling me a racist.
+Oh, you mean the reply where you imagined things nobody wrote >>15347692 and "coincidentally" made the comparison to wanting chimpanzees in society? You know, you're right, can't imagine why anyone would think you're a racist. Tooootally no reason to infer that from that comparison at all.
+>Which is really funny, since I put all 3 seconds of effort to my message, and it immediately broke you. Speaks volumes about how fragile your worldview really is.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_injury
+>Admits to putting up no effort to understand what was written
+>Compares not leaping to causation about race to integrating chimps into society
+>Gets assmad for people noticing he is a racist
+>Gets assmad people notice his lack of effort
+The only thing fragile here is your ego. Grow up. Ideally past the toddler stage.
+--- 15349078
+>>15349013
+There isn't any place that's any better. People who think there is only really mean "this other place agrees with my intuitions more". As science isn't about intuitions the idea of "a scientific social group" is an oxymoron.
+--- 15349102
+>>15349078
+I hardly claim to be talking about intuitions, I talk more about how most people here do not, and will never engage with the scientific process. Intead, only sticking to their precieved ideals of reality, and upon conducting highly bias "research" come to conclusions so devoid of reality, or of repeatable tresting that it is literally impossible to engage with them at all.
+
+What this is all for? I have no idea, part of me wants to believe that they do it to find the "real" truth behind it all. But I feel thats its more people want their baises confirmed over why its kikes or niggers ruining everything.
+--- 15349106
+>>15345195 (OP)
+>German Shepard and bulldog are both dogs, but they belong to different species.
+No, they don't. They're different breeds, not different species.
+
+Race is just the polite word for breed.
+
+Taxonomy isn't an exact science, but the genetic range and morphological differences among human breeds is particularly narrow compared to most mammals thanks to a nasty genetic bottleneck known as the Toba Catastrophe around 74,000 years ago or so, when the species was reduced to maybe a dozen extended families. If we were any closer we'd be able to pass cancers to one another the way Tasmanian devils can.
+
+We get this same /pol/ thread every three days though.
+--- 15349109
+>>15349013
+Then a topic worthy of discussion is why do some people seek to learn and why do others seek to confirm what they already know?
+--- 15349158
+>>15349109
+Beacuse most people don't want to discuss and more so wish to afirm what they already know. Or in some cases, to just be a disengenous faggot and to shitpost.
+I personally, want to learn more about the subjects that I am interested in and talk and discuss and scrutinise research found. However, that is very hard to do when you are debating or discussing with people who are either misinformed or are working on a different line of logic to you. I follow and use scientific, peer reviewed papers, that I read and scrutinise against other peices I have read. To most in this thread, I am sure, would call me a kike, a nigger or a lefty faggot for doing such a thing; and instead I should collect my sources for, country tiktokers who have the entire state of israel living in their head.
+The most infuriating thing that I experience the most, is the petty, pendantic chasing people do here, where people get hung up on the wrong ideas or look for such specific definitions for things, or don't understand the greater context how they are used. Ie the defintion of Species in this thread. People are arguing about the semantics adnausium and not going anywhere just claiming ad hominem or being deliberately obtuse.
+--- 15349246
+>>15349158
+>Beacuse most people don't want to discuss and more so wish to afirm what they already know.
+Sure, but why? Possible explanations:
+>Discomfort. 
+Not a good argument, because they might tolerate discomfort just fine in other ways.
+>Pleasure
+Some people may enjoy conflict. However, from my limited point of view, that seems to me like enjoying stimulants. Conflict will exhaust a person eventually, but online debate seems inexhaustible.
+>Conditioning
+Communication is evolving to trigger impulses that are hard to resist or redirect. Giving in to impulses causes a downward spiral to living a reactive life.
+>?
+--- 15349253
+>>15346792
+Your post is a mess. Don't you know how to use a spoon ?
+
+>Strawman.
+It's literally what you wrote. 
+Of course the stopping point is arbitrary. That's never been a problem for other species.
+
+>you're admitting, in effect, to deliberately misleading people with exaggerated quantifications of rare differences.
+No, the quantification is not exaggerated as the mean is the mean, and the differences are only rare according to your arbitrary judgement.
+
+>Ever find wild dogs? 
+Yes. They lived in cities among humans and most interactions were non-aggressive because they were selected for this. You can take one of their pups and raise it and it'll be a fine pet. You can't do that with a wolf pup.
+--- 15349268
+>>15349158
+>>15349102
+>I hardly claim to be talking about intuitions
+You say that, and yet proceed to complain about exactly what I wrote.
+>I talk more about how most people here do not, and will never engage with the scientific process. Intead, only sticking to their precieved ideals of reality, and upon conducting highly bias "research" come to conclusions so devoid of reality, or of repeatable tresting that it is literally impossible to engage with them at all.
+Biases are the result of intuitions, mistaken and hastily made inferences from limited data. "gut feelings". The process you then outline of confirmation seeking to affirm that bias also follows from following one's intuitive notion of what's true.
+>>15349246
+The "why" is also what I have just clarified to the opiner. The conclusion shopping follows from trusting one's intuitions over higher reasoning, and by having such trust often never bothering to develop any higher reasoning.
+--- 15349284
+>>15347412
+>Evolution happens incredibly slow
+>We evolved really fast
+hm ?
+
+Besides that I mostly agree with you except that it doesn't seem to me that subspecies are not used.
+They mention repeatedly subspecies here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Zoological_Nomenclature
+--- 15349319
+>>15349158
+Are you the same anon as >>15346792 ?
+--- 15349330
+>>15345205
+So are races sort of like the human versian of breeds? I'm not a racists but it's obvious humans are a diverse species where humans in Japan are a bit different to humans living in the Amazonian rainforest or a German in Berlin or a Arab in Lebanon.
+--- 15349345
+>>15349319
+nah, i dont like mass replying
+--- 15349348
+My only problem with dividing humans into subspecies for scientific reasons is how and what are the political implications of this? I domt want some dictator somewhere using these categories to be a asshole to poeple of another subspecies. I also want to know just how would you draw the lines? What if somebody is 25 percent german. 25 percent Lebanese. 50 percent Indian. What does that make him?
+--- 15349374
+>>15349268
+>The conclusion shopping follows from trusting one's intuitions over higher reasoning, and by having such trust often never bothering to develop any higher reasoning.
+Honestly, I sympathize with your frustration but I also sympathize with ''schizo's''. It's obvious that most people online write the conclusion first and do the research later to support that conclusion. I'll give you that. But /sci/ does have a blind spot that /sci/ doesn't want to admit. As long as /sci/ stays stubborn like that, /sci/ will not advance the discussion with the schizo's. Not all schizo's are dishonest and /sci/ needs to be honest that no rational framework can capture reality. That's why autists have trouble connecting with people. There is intelligence beyond reason and it's not intelligent to condem everything outside a rational framework as religion, emotion, delusion or guessing.
+--- 15349377
+>>15349253
+>It's literally what you wrote.
+Nope. The strawman is implying I am making a continuum fallacy. I am not saying "define a heap by an exact amount", I am saying "no amount can be said to be meaningful". So why do it? What "utility" do you think you get from this, since the designation has no inherent meaning or implication?
+>That's never been a problem for other species.
+Never? Yet it is such a problem, and so central a problem, it is so-named "the species problem". Pure cluelessness on your part.
+>No, the quantification is not exaggerated as the mean is the mean
+The mean exaggerates supposed difference, as explained, due to being largely driven by rare extremes. Replying to a common observation in statistics about mean averages with blind affirmation of "but the mean tho" is not a refutation. Either you do not understand basic high school statistics, or you're being dishonest.
+>and the differences are only rare according to your arbitrary judgement.
+The differences are rare according to the data. Else, as explained, said data would not show the common sense result of being subsets of African populations. Namely, that differences between individuals are greater within subpopulations descended from Africans than between subpopulations. Here, too, you either don't understand how descent works or you're being dishonest.
+>Yes. They lived in cities among humans and most interactions were non-aggressive because they were selected for this.
+Nope. I said wild. You either don't comprehend that "wild" means "feral", as in uncared for and without human socialization, or you're being dishonest here too.
+>You can take one of their pups and raise it and it'll be a fine pet. You can't do that with a wolf pup.
+You can, in fact, do that with a wolf pup. Here again, dishonest or ignorant.
+
+As a running tally, you are either completely clueless about every single topic you raise or you're dishonest. So the bottom line is "you're fulla shite"
+--- 15349400
+>>15349253
+>the quantification is not exaggerated as the mean is the mean
+Same energy as picrel
+--- 15349403
+>>15349390
+>It's arbitrary but I would draw the line at 0.1 Fst.
+Why? at all?
+--- 15349411
+>>15349374
+Well since you think you know something I don't and want to embark on this holy crusade all I can say is lol okay gl hf gg no re
+--- 15349419
+>>15349374
+More specifically I'm hinting for example at mythology. Ayurveda is not a schizo in need of meds for talking about digestive fire. It just took science a while to figure out the molecular details of this concept like enzymes, acid and bile. Scientifically speaking digestive fire doesn't exist, yet the practical implications of modern science and such ancient belief overlaps.
+--- 15349458
+>>15349411
+>Well since you think you know something I don't
+You're misinterpreting what I wrote. We both don't know for sure, but you might want to be inspired by crazy ideas to see they have any merit. For example, if a conspiracy theorist makes a prediction that turns out to be true, you might want to investigate if at the time of prediction he had information that could reasonably be interpreted as having predictive merit, instead of rejecting it as a broken clock showing the right time twice a day.
+--- 15349494
+>>15349458
+>>15349419
+Listen, Mr. Peterson, you smoke too much peyote. All I'm going to do is watch you stick your finger in that light socket because I know you won't listen. Likewise, you won't see my perspective as valid unless and until you receive a sufficiently bad shock. So there's no point in the conversation. Feel free to blame me for that right up until you receive that sufficiently bad comeuppance.
+>instead of rejecting it as a broken clock showing the right time twice a day.
+Case in point. I'll do so if and only if it is ever demonstrated to be otherwise. If you want to "have faith" you go right ahead. I'll watch from here with my beer in hand all comfortable.
+--- 15349514
+>>15349345
+Good man.
+
+>>15349377
+>I am saying "no amount can be said to be meaningful"
+But then that's absurd. Subspecies are widely used. The small differences that separate them are meaningful enough for that, and you're fine with it. For non-racists, it should be enough.
+As for me, the utility I see is mostly political, by way of informing sociological, ecological, anthropological concerns.
+
+>Never? Yet it is such a problem, and so central a problem, it is so-named "the species problem". Pure cluelessness on your part.
+Pure dishonesty on yours. I'm aware of the difficulties in defining species, I mentionned it here before. It's doesn't stop biologists from classifying other species, that's what I meant by problem. Do you think they shouldn't or are you just making a special case for humans ?
+
+>largely driven by rare extremes.
+"Largely" is just your personal interpretation of it. It's just a mean. Rare extremes (btw they're found on both sides, balancing each other) enter into account and common middles values too.
+
+>The differences are rare according to the data.
+Rare is relative. What are you comparing these difference to, to call them rare ? And what has being subsets of african populations to do with this ?
+
+>You either don't comprehend that "wild" means "feral", as in uncared for and without human socialization
+No, you. Feral just means that they escaped human control. Populations of dogs or cats that live in urban areas close to humans are feral. But even if we used your definition, the fact that uncontrolled populations of dogs stick close to humans shows a behaviour difference with wolves.
+>You can, in fact, do that with a wolf pup.
+No you can't. Stop being dishonest. Wolves can be tamed like most other mammals, but they can't make pets like dogs. When people try it, even with wolf dog hybrids, it ends badly.
+
+>So the bottom line is "you're fulla shite"
+Same to you baby.
+--- 15349537
+>>15349403
+>Why? at all?
+To show that human groups are not interchangeable.
+--- 15349561
+>>15349494
+Do you mean that following the /sci/ is less risky decision-making? If so, my view is more like post-modernist Baudrillard than Peterson: the real has been murdered and replaced with symbols and copies. Since no one remembers the original, the murder of the real is the perfect crime. Such is the fate of science.
+--- 15349570
+>>15345218
+How bloody dare you racist bigot we will not tolerate this disrispict to the First Persons of Austroilia. We must understind they are identical to us despoite being different in every way possible
+--- 15349577
+>>15349514
+he invokes lewontin’s fallacy like they always do, classic libshit tactic.
+--- 15349866
+>>15349514
+>But then that's absurd
+Nope. You just don't get it. Invalid concepts do not have intrinsic meaning, only mere social convention. Not absurd at all. You're just ignorant.
+>Subspecies are widely used.
+For reasons that have nothing to do with your racism.
+>Pure dishonesty on yours.
+Nope. If you understood at all you wouldn't need to ask this question,
+>Do you think they shouldn't or are you just making a special case for humans?
+Utility. Because it is useful. Case in point,
+>>15349537
+>To show that human groups are not interchangeable.
+So unlike biologists who are defining terms as useful to biology, you want to define terms as useful to your racism. Hence the chronic dishonesty you /pol/tards exhibit.
+>"Largely" is just your personal interpretation of it.
+Nope. That is the continued demonstrated empirical fact repeated over many decades.
+>Rare extremes (btw they're found on both sides, balancing each other) enter into account and common middles values too.
+lol
+
+Genetic distance is calculated by a probability mean. The genetic distance is defined by the probability that members of different groups will share a given locus. That means that "rare extremes balancing each other" would result in no distance, as the distance is defined by definition by the rare extremes. The more rare, the more distance.
+
+You're so clueless you just said something that would render every group the same distance, yet said it as if to correct me. Do I really need to demonstrate how ignorant and dishonest you are further? It's like beating a drowned puppy at this point.
+--- 15349869
+>>15349577
+>he invokes lewontin’s fallacy like they always do, classic libshit tactic.
+Not a fallacy. Continuously empirically demonstrated fact. That book was written prior to many such hundreds of papers with all kinds of validations of the concept, as well as completely misrepresented what Lewontin was saying.
+
+Just because you cling to the hope Lewontin was wrong like you cling to a rosary bead doesn't mean he's wrong. It means you're ignorant.
+--- 15350023
+>>15349866
+>For reasons that have nothing to do with your racism.
+My point exactly retard. It is not an invalid concept, you're just bullshitting.
+
+>So unlike biologists who are defining terms as useful to biology, you want to define terms as useful to your racism.
+No. I don't try to redefine terms, you are. Terms useful to biology are useful to my racism and detrimental to yours.
+
+>That is the continued demonstrated empirical fact repeated over many decades.
+No. Your preferences regarding what is appropriately representating genetic distance are not an empirical fact.
+
+>as the distance is defined by definition by the rare extremes
+No. How can you write that ? all the values enter into the mean. The rare extreme high differences, the rare extreme similarities, and the more common middle values.
+
+I've never been dishonest here. Just telling you straight what I think. You're the one avoiding questions, bait and switching, being obtuse. I guess you don't need to bother trying further, you won't convince anyone like that.
+--- 15350037
+>>15349869
+>t. absolute retard
+It is literally called a "fallacy" because it is so manifestly wrong and partisan it barely requires a response.
+--- 15350069
+>>15349869
+>That book was written prior to many such hundreds of papers with all kinds of validations of the concept, as well as completely misrepresented what Lewontin was saying.
+
+haha, yeah okay sure buddy. any scientist worth his salt researching these matters does not align with lewontin's misinterpretations, inadverently or fraudulently, of the probabilistic nature in genetic variance between and within subpopulations.
+--- 15350229
+>>15350023
+>It is not an invalid concept, you're just bullshitting.
+lol
+>>claims to know about the species problem
+>>doesn't realize it's a problem due to contradicts, paradoxical results
+>>doesn't realize a contradiction means invalid
+>>doesn't realize that's why the species problem is a problem
+>>claims I'm the one bullshitting
+lol
+>No. How can you write that ? all the values enter into the mean.
+Holy fucking kek you literally are going "but steel is heavier than feathers". The fact "all values enter into the mean" is precisely why mean averages are prone to being biased by their extremes. This is middle school math. You can't understand 6th grade math.
+>I've never been dishonest here. You're the one avoiding questions, bait and switching, being obtuse.
+You can't understand 6th grade math but I'm the one being dishonest? Sure pal.
+>>15350037
+>It is literally called a "fallacy"
+>>15350069
+>any scientist worth his salt researching these matters does not align with lewontin's misinterpretations
+And now that you retards shoved your feet in your mouths it's time for the reveal.
+
+The term "lewontin's fallacy" stems from an article written by Anthony Edwards in an essay titled "Human Genetic Diversity: Lewontin's Fallacy", wherein he concludes the following,
+>There is nothing wrong with Lewontin’s statistical analysis of variation
+In other words, the man you're citing who dubbed the supposed "fallacy" isn't even calling what I mentioned nor what I said has been repeatedly demonstrated empirically "a fallacy".
+>only with the belief that it is relevant to classification.
+Which is correct. As classification is completely arbitrary and you can define any group you want given some equally arbitrary ratio of some equally arbitrary alleles, Lewontin was wrong to use the fact to disregard classification outright. He is right, however, to disregard such classification as anything but arbitrary.
+--- 15350264
+Please up your game with good discussion or put this thread out of it's misery
+--- 15350290
+>>15350264
+Kind of hard to have good discussion when the people replying range from being unable to understand 6th grade math to parroting boomer memes about a paper they've never read.
+
+Don't blame me for the fact jannies don't purge /pol/tards like they should. Feel free to ask a question or discuss something at a higher proficiency than a flat earther. Ball is in your court.
+--- 15350299
+>>15350290
+blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah /pol/chud ramblings blah blah blah blah
+--- 15350423
+>>15350290
+you're not as good at math as you think you are, and neither was your academia lord who you seem to bootlick so much, or perhaps he feigned being obtuse because his politically inclined immaturities got ahead of his professionalism. we don't know, he's dead so we'll never be able to ask him how or why he made such a blatant faux pas that any retard would be able to understand.
+
+>There is nothing wrong with Lewontin’s statistical analysis of variation
+
+you were almost there...
+--- 15350449
+>>15350423
+Oh please don't wait on my account, demonstrate for us all your brilliant mathematical insights. Feel free to use the mathjax.
+>you were almost there...
+That quote was the author coining the term you retards lie about. From the horses mouth. I guess to be embarrassed you'd have to be smart enough to realize how fucking stupid you are so rubbing your nose in it is a bit of a lost cause.
+--- 15350760
+>>15345195 (OP)
+
+>Differing Phenotype = Sub-Species
+
+That's the main issue with the idea of subspecies in general, the DNA variance between "sub-species" is puny.
+--- 15352201
+>>15349028
+Such a simple message, and you've twice now had no response to it. Just a triggered wall of text. 
+>can't imagine why anyone would think you're a racist.
+I never denied being a racist. Reality is racist. Your anti-racist worldview, however, is thoroughly unrealistic and utterly indefensible. You'd need incredible and extraordinary evidence to support your god-awful worldview, but all you clearly can come up with is message after message of rage and screeching.
+--- 15352244
+>>15352201
+>Uses a logically invalid purely socially constructed concept
+>reality is racist
+lmao
+--- 15352254
+>>15352244
+Niggers will never be white
+--- 15352265
+>>15345278
+>Subspecies is not a biological term that is used
+It's pointless trying to educate the people that think "subspecies" -- even "species", but "subspecies" is particularly egregious -- is a thing. It's a vacuous label. Because it's vacuous, you can fill it with any content. You can use it as a token to stand for anything. Sure, use it to refer to human races. Other midwits will recoil in indignation, not realizing that they are, also, getting their feathers ruffled over literally nothing.
+It's fruitless trying to educate these types. They are symbol-thinkers who don't realize just how few of the symbols you manipulate in your day to day life reduce to human-independent concepts.
+--- 15352353
+>>15352265
+Perhaps. It is hard to know where the shocking incompetence ends, like being unable to understand middle school averages, and the dishonesty begins. Could very well be both. Like due to that ineptitude perceiving everything as one would a cargo cult, treating concepts as ritual with zero understanding.
+
+My money is a normal person would realize something is wrong about their idea and competence. Narcissists probably never.
+--- 15352358
+>>15352265
+By the way, just in case you don't realize, the issue is hardly my or anyone else getting ruffled over a vacuous concept. The real issue is the rhetoric, and evidently utterly mistaken belief, that such vacuous labeling carries intrinsic meaning or value absent their assumptions or meaning they give it. That's kind of the whole "game" they play, whether they know it or not. Else, if they truly understood it was vacuous, they'd rightly put no value on it.
+--- 15352359
+Final redpill is realizing there are no species, but kinds.
+--- 15352362
+>>15352359
+PFFF get the fuck outta here only about two people will even understand that joke
+fuckin natural categories/kind lmao
+--- 15352382
+>>15352244
+>uses social construct as a synonym for not real
+lmfao
+--- 15352397
+>>15352382
+Uh, yeah, means not objective. Just because you imagine a concept and it has some arbitrary attachment to reality doesn't make the concept real. Just because some arbitrary line has some referent point to reality doesn't mean anything. I could equally claim the invisible unicorn in my room exists because gravity. It's fucking sad you're this stupid. Stop huffing ideological farts and maybe read people who aren't fox news anchors or pink haired gender studies feminists.
+--- 15352602
+>>15350229
+>There is nothing wrong with Lewontin’s statistical analysis of variation
+Are you an imbecile? His statistical analysis wasn't the source of the fallacy. It was the wildly incorrect non-sequitur that his analysis of 17 markers was sufficient to conclude race cannot be genetically or taxonomically valid.
+
+Just out of curiosity, can you tell us what your own ethnic origin is?
+--- 15352620
+>>15352602
+lol somebody can't read.
+--- 15352623
+>>15352620
+I wish you had told us that earlier. I wouldn't waste my time replying if I had known you couldn't read.
+--- 15352673
+>>15352623
+lmao yeah sure bud you sure showed me
+--- 15352681
+>>15345386
+Scientifically speaking, why aren't White people allowed to have literally anything to themselves?
+--- 15353227
+>>15352681
+--- 15353277
+>>15345386
+Thats just evidence for out of africa 2.
+--- 15355291
+>argue to death precisely how we should caragorize niggers
+>ignore the fact that they're objectively retarded and useless
+Yeah I don't really care what scientists call them, I know what they're called.
+--- 15355507
+>>15352265
+>"subspecies" -- even "species", but "subspecies" is particularly egregious -- is a vacuous label. Because it's vacuous, you can fill it with any content. You can use it as a token to stand for anything. Sure, use it to refer to human races.
+I don't get your argument. You can't fill it with just any content, it refers to populations of one species that show marked differences. What's vacuous about that ?
+It is widely used by biologists. Are they midwits ?
+--- 15355525
+>>15345278
+Tigers and lions can produce viable offspring.
+--- 15355662
+>>15355507
+Nta. Invalid concepts merely have convention and such for utility. Ultimately given enough data the distinctions result in paradoxes. The utility offered by such designations are akin to a local optimum. That is, they are only useful because we have comparatively so few specimens in biology. If we had them all you would get the ring species paradox, such that any starting point results in entirely different groupings. Biologists know this, racists are just flat earther tier.
+
+Anyway yes you absolutely can fill it with any content. It just wouldnt be useful. But the use is motivated in biology by that utility, and such utility as it offers does not exist at all for human populations. Not least of which because any grouping is equally invalid in this sense. That is, has no intrinsic implication or meaning merely for being so designated. So the weird racist obsession with inventing some narrative that there exists som hidden truth or reality to their racist assumptions is based, from the start, on a reification fallacy. They first assume their racism is true and group likewise. The sole utility that serves is their racism, certainly not prediction. Individual traits and grouping on said traits is always the better predictor.
+--- 15355700
+>>15355507
+So you could just ask, "why are you choosing to group arbitrarily instead of by actual traits?"
+There is no good answer.
+--- 15356640
+>>15345195 (OP)
+For political reasons.
+It’s not nice to think of other groups of humans as different species.
+Hitler used the American genocide of Native Americans as an excuse to exterminate Jews, Poles, Gypsies, etc during the Holocaust.
+
+But yeah, there are probably 100 different species/breeds of humans.
+But it’s not politically correct to notice it.
+--- 15356756
+>>15356640
+>For political reasons.
+You mean "because it isn't useful except for racism". Individual traits and proximate family history cover the overwhelming majority of use cases.
+>It’s not nice to think of other groups of humans as different species.
+Not even "not nice", it's just wrong. If you care about the traits, you group by trait. Grouping by something else merely for the sake of some other reason, like being an asshole, is what is "not nice". Gee, I wonder why nobody likes that?
+--- 15356792
+>>15356756
+You seem very emotional as evidenced by your use of expletives.
+--- 15356892
+What's the point of trying to frame human biodiversity in these terms? Just to use it as argumentative fodder for racist policies? You can enact racial segregation without scientific basis too. As a matter of fact, giving the current state of things, even if you bend classifications to get "whites" into a supposed superior category (which is hardly even possible, as you'd already need a racist scientific ethos to do that), you wouldn't be able to do much with it. What, you think you NEED scientific excuse based on taxonomy to morally justify segregation, genocide or eugenics? That's ridiculous. You'd need racism before you could tinker with scientific classification.
+Racists are still just dumb moralists by the end of the day.
+--- 15356915
+>>15356892
+>Just to use it as argumentative fodder for racist policies?
+You're giving them far too much credit by framing it as if they're consciously aware of that.
+>You can enact racial segregation without scientific basis too.
+no no see if they did that they'd have to go back to being honest about being racist purely because they're retarded.
+--- 15358263
+>>15356892
+>What's the point of trying to frame human biodiversity in these terms? Just to use it as argumentative fodder for racist policies?
+Not only for policies, also for racist analysis pf social problems.
+
+For example, currently, the dominant ideology claims that there is no human biodiversity to speak of, no significant phenotypical differences between groups besides skin color, and no scientific biological basis for differenciating races. 
+Consequently, differences in outcomes between races are ascribed to external factors, mainly racism from whites against others, and racist policies favouring other races (sometimes excepting asians) over whites are implemented or discussed.
+If we establish that there is significant biological differences between races, this logic falls apart. Policies hopefully will follow. A lot of us would already be happy with limiting those antiwhite policies, even without implementing racist policies of our own.
+
+In short, this scientific basis for racial differences is the core of the anti-racist argument (see how you and the other idiot insist on it) and so it became also very important to us.
+
+>You'd need racism before you could tinker with scientific classification.
+No, you'd just need scientific honesty. By the way, the point is not to put "whites" into a superior category, that's just an anti-white fantasy. It's to acknowledge human biodiversity and the correlation between traits and populations, that's all. Doesn't matter if there's no hierarchy, doesn't matter if there's no "white" group, doesn't matter if there's 3 or 300 of them, doesn't matter if they're called race or subspecies. The only point is to acknowledge that human groups are not interchangeable.
+
+>>15356915
+Dishonest idiot.
+--- 15358298
+>>15356640
+There is 1 species of human because all human groups can successfully interbreed. OP's image is dishonest because humans have only been diverging for 80k years at max. I dont know about crows, but subspecies can take hundreds of thousands of years to diverge despite looking phenotypically similar.
+--- 15358327
+>>15356640
+>>15358298
+Also to give you an example: we know Neanderthals and humans were definitely different species (and are classified as such) because Neanderthal-human hybrids experienced infertility. Hybrid incompatibility follows a very specific pattern, with males experiencing infertility in the first generation, and about 3-4 generations later the infertility will shift to females. The large absence of neanderthal DNA on human X chromosomes tells us it underwent a bottleneck, and thus there was enough incompatibility. Also it was believed Neanderthal-human hybrids were prone to clotting disorders.
+
+No such problems exist in humans.
+--- 15358335
+>>15358327
+Also forgot to mention, Neanderthals and humans had diverged for about 400k years by the time they met, so enough time had elapsed.
+--- 15358373
+>>15358298
+>humans have only been diverging for 80k years at max.
+No, at least. There might have been other divergences among sapiens before Out of Africa, and there's been introgression of genes from divergent erectus descendents into different groups.
+>subspecies can take hundreds of thousands of years to diverge
+They don't have to.
+--- 15358448
+>>15358298
+>I dont know about crows
+The divergence between hooded crows and carrion crows (>>15345359) happened in the late pleistocene, due to the glacial maximum from 25000 years ago that sent the two groups into italy/greece and spain.
+They are almost genetically identical, but are considered (since 2002) to be different species.
+--- 15358456
+>>15358373
+There is a gray area in how species are defined, so technically a single mutation is sufficient to produce a speciation, and that does actually happen in nature. However, the problem is that subspecies arise exclusively due to geographic variation. The single gene marks local adaptation.
+
+The biggest driver of human evolution is not geography, it's culture/society. So for instance this is what "race" really is, a collection of genes which exhibit geographic independence. So, if you look at Europe, MENA, India, Persia, etc. and remove all the local variation, then there's a caucusoid "core" of genes which do not exhibit geographic variation. Within these groups the main driver of evolution is the arrival of new mutations which dont exhibit geographic variation, which then spread. Same thing is happening in Asia/Africa.
+
+These are genes tied to culture, and since European culture has spread across the entire world, well that means humans will probably all convergently evolve caucusoid genetics anyways, just through natural geographic diffusion.
+--- 15358510
+>>15358456
+>well that means humans will probably all convergently evolve caucusoid genetics anyways, just through natural geographic diffusion.
+Caucasoid genetics are associated with decreased fertility.
+--- 15358523
+Why is OP retarded? Do his retard genes, that exclude him from the sexual reproduction with homo sapiens sapiens, classify OP as in a species of his own? Please discuss.
+
+Also here's your (You), OP:
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)
+--- 15358765
+>>15358263
+>no significant phenotypical differences between groups besides skin color
+I don't think even the most apt racecrafters say this. I understand that the issue of hue is relevant for discourse in America for distinguishing different "levels of oppression" between black people specifically, but a differentiation of whites and non-whites still brings over other phenotypical characteristics other than color.
+>differences in outcomes between races are ascribed to external factors... racist policies favouring other races
+These are all political in nature. The previously dominant "race-blind" ethos of political correctness and policies has been replaced by "positive discrimination" and it was a decision based not on scientific discoveries or a changing understanding of race - as the creed in the difference of outcomes not being ascribed to biology is not a novelty - but on changing political perception. Activism, lobby and propaganda pushed this change, politically and with a political outcome in mind. No change in science.
+>If we establish that there is significant biological differences between races, this logic falls apart. Policies hopefully will follow
+That's quite an assumption. Even IF you could establish that there exist relevant biological differences between populations, the manner in which you would rank these differences in terms of suitability, desirability, morality and so on would necessitate an underlying framework that would not be scientific. So let's say a certain population of blacks has a hard cap on intelligence which is 100% biologically determined. I'm skeptic that you could actually prove that, but regardless: what are you going to do with it is not a trivial question to answer and your desired political outcomes would necessitate an already politically racist framework to work on.
+>No, you'd just need scientific honesty
+But you admit that you just want a new taxonomy to enact racist policies. How's that honest?
+--- 15358794
+>>15349284
+>>Evolution happens incredibly slow
+relative to our timeframe of 50-100 years
+>>We evolved really fast
+relative to everything else around us at the time.
+
+reading comprehension is hard.
+--- 15358796
+>>15358263
+>It's to acknowledge human biodiversity and the correlation between traits and populations, that's all
+You just said that it's not "all". Policies would hopefully follow, no? 
+>doesn't matter if they're called race or subspecies
+That's what this whole thread is about - that the socially constructed concept of race is substituted by a positively scientific one -, but I don't mind that you're moving goalposts.
+>The only point is to acknowledge that human groups are not interchangeable.
+In what way are they not interchangeable? The history of foreign populations taking over some other population confounds itself with the history of humanity. They are very much interchangeable.
+If, however, you're saying that replacing the American or European white, educated, and more or less culturally homogenous populations from their dominant positions in their respective societies for foreign populations, be it black or whatever, would have significant and potentially catastrophic consequences, that can be argued. But it is a political and moral discussion, not one pertaining to taxonomy or biology in general. In the end, I still believe you just want to use it as argumentative fodder.
+--- 15359161
+>>15358263
+>No, you'd just need scientific honesty.
+As has been explained to you dishonest retards numerous times, the "scientific honesty" is that categories are made up for utility. All you're doing is masking off and admitting, constantly, you solely want this to further your racism. It has no intrinsic meaning nor value to abuse the concept as you are, so this rhetorical trick of yours doesn't work.
+
+"muh scientific honesty" the honest position is such categorizations are racist.
+--- 15359174
+>>15358523
+Because this guy says so
+--- 15359190
+>>15358263
+>The only point is to acknowledge that human groups are not interchangeable.
+Case in point. Mask off again.
+>>15346534
+>I would be genuinely impressed if you have managed to do the work to establish independent causal relationship for complex phenotypes. Otherwise you're just equivocating association with causation.
+Note how at no point do any of these liars attempt to establish causation. This is a trick on my part, of course, because causation cannot be said to be established on the basis of a vacuous concept.
+
+If the cause of a given outcome is the trait, then the only reliable predictor would be the trait. It should be self evident how fucking retarded it is to draw arbitrary groups and then declare the groups cause the trait, which is ultimately what "muh groups not interchangeable" rhetoric is doing.
+--- 15359221
+>>15345359
+/thread
+--- 15359292
+>>15359221
+No it isn't retard. Go ahead, try to justify what utility doing so would serve OTHER THAN racism. I predict, no matter what you dream up, that utility is better served via other means. If you think not go ahead, I'll happily slap you around for your ignorance and lack of imagination.
+--- 15359763
+>>15358765
+>But you admit that you just want a new taxonomy to enact racist policies.
+You skip a few steps. But what's dishonest about that ? Politics are the reason why I care, and I make no secret of it, but my argument on taxonomy is only based on science.
+
+>I don't think even the most apt racecrafters say this.
+"Race is only skin deep" is a common idea. 
+>No change in science.
+Right, but it's still based on the search for an environmental explanation because biological explanations are dismissed. At first antiracists believed that race blindness would solve the problem, but differences in outcome remained, so they moved on to positive discrimination, identity politics, systemic racism.
+>the manner in which you would rank these differences in terms of suitability, desirability, morality and so on would necessitate an underlying framework that would not be scientific.
+Sure, if you consider that social sciences are not science. But this manner is a different matter. First biology, then after sociology and politics.
+--- 15359774
+>>15359763
+>"Race is only skin deep" is a common idea.
+Feel free to demonstrate causation. You keep implying there is some "natural kind". You have no evidence to suggest that is the case.
+--- 15359844
+>>15358796
+>Policies would hopefully follow, no?
+It's not part of the argument we're making. Yes, we hope for it, and yes, once human biodiversity is acknowledged we will use it to back our ideas just like the current denial of biological group differences is used to back anti-white policies. But as you said that discussion is for /pol/ not /sci/.
+
+>In what way are they not interchangeable?
+Biologically. Different populations will have different levels of cognitive abilities for example. 
+The social consequences of this are to be considered separately.
+--- 15359848
+>>15359190
+>t. retard
+--- 15359882
+>>15359161
+>>15359190
+>>15359292
+No, dishonest idiot.
+You're the one trying rhetorical tricks, trying to muddle the scientific issue and the political one. The fact that we're racist doesn't affect the utility of taxonomy. It has the same utility for birds, slugs, wolves, etc, as for humans.
+Subspecies is a useful concept, that's all.
+--- 15360001
+>>15359844
+>Biologically. Different populations will have different levels of cognitive abilities for example.
+And what evidence, exactly, leads you to infer it is sensible to say that is "due to" how you've defined those populations?
+--- 15360072
+>>15360001
+It is not due to how i've defined those populations, it is due to divergent evolution.
+--- 15360104
+>>15360072
+>It is not due to how i've defined those populations, it is due to divergent evolution.
+Okay. How? Of the 0.1% of DNA that varies between individuals, and given some estimate like only 8% of that variation (so 8% of that 0.1%) being between populations, how does that explain large differences in complex phenotypes?
+
+Even the largest GWAS associations do not have significant effect sizes capable of explaining that much difference from such a miniscule number of genes.
+--- 15360109
+>>15345195 (OP)
+>concept of species is not applied to humans
+It is though. Humans are a species. /pol/ conspiracy theories don't count as science. Modern taxonomy is comparatively straightforward, we can do DNA analysis. Human races are clearly not different species nor subspecies. Morphology is not always a good indicator of taxa.
+--- 15360260
+>>15355525
+Tigons and Ligers are sterile
+--- 15360268
+>>15360104
+That number of genes is sufficient.
+
+>>15360109
+>Morphology is not always a good indicator of taxa.
+By any chance can you give me a few examples of species with morphological differences between geographically separate populations, that are not classified into subspecies ?
+--- 15360356
+>>15360268
+>That number of genes is sufficient.
+Not according to any results of any GWAS I've ever read. Care to provide a source saying as much?
+--- 15360551
+>>15360356
+it came to me in a dream

sci/15345659.txt

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+-----
+--- 15345659
+Real talk to all /med/ guys
+I'm 24 years old an almost done with med school.
+Seeing what GPT-4 can do I'm shitting my pants - should I opt for a surgical career since working with your brain won't be needed in a couple of years?
+--- 15345664
+>>15345659 (OP)
+surgeons are the only real doctors, go for it
+--- 15345680
+>>15345664
+I'd try and get into plastic surgery btw.
+--- 15345748
+Surgery seems relatively safe. There are autonomous surgical robots now but it will be a while before these become widespread in clinical practice and even longer before they become unsupervised. Psychiatrists will probably also still have a job since everyone is going to lose their minds when AGI comes around.
+--- 15345751
+>>15345659 (OP)
+Broken bones, idk the name of the specialization
+--- 15345778
+>>15345659 (OP)
+If you really want to hate your schedule and have almost no work/life balance, sure (even worse than most areas of practice, that is). Unless you do like, podiatry or something.
+
+WebMD and the internet in general didn't eliminate the need for office visits - it just helped patients be even less appreciative and bigger assholes to us.
+
+Perhaps more notably - before all the chat GPT obsession, there have been multiple times over the past several years that various versions of AI programs have been shown time and time again to be more efficient and more accurate than radiologists in identifying sometimes subtle but major things on imaging... and yet, radiologists haven't been eliminated yet.
+
+TL;DR - Only go into surgery if you want to go into surgery. I kinda assume this is just a troll post, but regardless, chat GPT isn't anywhere near stealing medical jobs. The insurance companies wont let that happen... yet.
+--- 15345842
+>>15345659 (OP)
+Surgeons are quickly being replaced by robots. The only medical job to survive will be Paramedics.
+--- 15345847
+>>15345778
+Google is a better doctor then you and I don't trust a doctor who doesn't rely entirely on up to date.
+--- 15345855
+>>15345680
+get into hair transplants, its relatively easy and high profit. All the cuts are skin deep
+--- 15345942
+>>15345847
+google is a better doctor than* you
+
+I don't care about the opinions of people who don't know when to use 'then' vs 'than'
+
+And yes, UpToDate is a great resource... but I think it is more useful if you have a medical education to go along with it.
+--- 15345952
+>>15345748
+>but it will be a while before these become widespread
+Bwhahahhahahahaha
+--- 15345963
+>>15345952
+?
+
+there are no autonomous surgical robots currently in clinical use. they can currently do bowel anastomosis in research settings or whatever
+--- 15346141
+>>15345963
+Yeah. The robots used in surgery are controlled by the surgeon. 
+
+The main benefit of current surgical robots, to my understanding, is to allow for more precise movements (can help with the human component by filtering out unintended/imprecise hand movements); as well as allowing use of smaller/specialty instruments in very confined spaces (think "microsurgery" or like an extra fancy "scope" style procedure) that either A. Wouldn't be possible with a direct hands-on/instrument-in-hand approach *or* B. Would be possible but would require a more invasive approach, ie larger incision/having to move or dissect more organs/tissues in order to accommodate in-hand instrumentation.
+
+Da Vinci is an example of one: 
+
+https://www.intuitive.com/en-us/patients/da-vinci-robotic-surgery
+--- 15346178
+>>15345659 (OP)
+ur ugly
+>4/10
+--- 15346183
+>>15345778
+>WebMD and the internet in general didn't eliminate the need for office visits
+
+Doctors just started requiring them to renew basic prescriptions because western medicine is parasitic. 
+
+Google is a better doctor than you, and the only reason you disagree is because you're used to having your ego inflated by the word, 'doctor'.
+--- 15346187
+>>15345952
+They are specifically designing robots that require the surgeon still there to avoid the whole labor issue. 
+
+I actually had a conversation with a team developing one and that's what I gleaned (as the manufacturing engineer they were contracting).
+--- 15346611
+>>15345659 (OP)
+I’ve been using GPT-4 for a couple months now and as I’ve started to understand it I’ve realized the key things: it’s chief aptitude is writing and understanding code, and everything else it is frustratingly, sometimes engagingly bad at. 
+
+As a consequence, I’ve realized what tremendous midwit frauds SV is. SBF/EA and all these should have been a clue. But we’ve conflated $$ and hype with intelligence, and it’s time for the reckoning.
+--- 15346622
+>>15345855
+>get into something that is literally already being automated
+Are you sure that you are a doctor bro?
+--- 15346627
+>>15346611
+>SV
+>SBF
+>EA
+
+What do these things stand for anon?
+--- 15346629
+>>15346183
+>have pink eye, go to the pharmacy to get necessary eye drops, need a doctors prescription plus 6 million goy bucks.
+Doctors are gay and parasitic, piss off, if I want to diagnose myself for little things, let me.
+--- 15346644
+>>15346627
+SV=Silicon Valley
+SBF=Sam Bankman-Fried (crypto swindler jew who used EA rhetoric to swindle people)
+EA=Effective Altruism (philanthropy cult for autistic tech nerds)
+--- 15346693
+>>15345659 (OP)
+Nice feet.
+--- 15346698
+>i'm not gonna have a job as a doctor because of a chatbot
+
+yeah you're too retarded, try working at petco or something
+--- 15346807
+>>15345659 (OP)
+>Seeing what GPT-4 can do I'm shitting my pants
+You did not get through medical school.
+There is not a single medical specialty that is in danger.
+--- 15346813
+>>15345842
+Those guys are retards though
+>t. infectious disease
+--- 15346826
+>>15346693
+What are the scientific consequences of shoving them into your mouth?
+--- 15346871
+>>15346622
+Are you telling me the price per hair is down?
+--- 15346912
+>>15346629
+>if I want to diagnose myself for little things, let me.
+
+But then all those years of med school won't pay for themselves, anon.
+--- 15346941
+>>15346826
+Scientifically speaking, my penis would experience a swift erection
+--- 15347048
+>>15346644
+Well what you said is true anon thanks for clearing it up.
+
+Its not the hardest working the smartest or most talented that win. Its a kabbalah of well connected people that are willing to do anything it takes. Power is not given to the best man but rather the man most willing to cheat this however is temporary power
+--- 15347093
+>>15345664
+fpbp
+--- 15347150
+>try to diagnose a binocular vision problem
+>idk bro it's CI
+thanks chat-gpt, want me to prescribe a plus add for that too?
+--- 15347558
+>>15345952
+It turns out our motor skills are much better than our intelligence. Who would have thought
+--- 15347563
+>>15345778
+>I kinda assume this is just a troll pos
+I assume your reddit spacing is also a troll
+--- 15347565
+>>15346141
+In my hospital they only use davinci for some prostate removals. Anything else apparently takes longer and needs more cuts
+--- 15347567
+>>15346629
+>I haVE pINk eYE.
+Just wait until you get a glaucoma attack and go blind despite your eye drops
+--- 15347570
+>>15346807
+When I talked to the radiologists at my uni they were like: muh we won't have to look at thorax x-rays anymore and can focus on all the cooool stuff the robots can't do. All they'll be doing is ultrasound since you need hands for that
+--- 15347572
+>>15347150
+I'm at the beginning of my career. What do you think will happen once they include shit like that in the training data? We're rapidly approaching singularity
+--- 15347784
+>>15346629
+Based. Verification not required.
+--- 15347808
+>>15347150
+They will have a bot at the eye clinic to tell you to put your chin on the machine and to look directly into the light
+--- 15348296
+>>15346629
+Why didn't you opt to become a doctor if it's so great?
+--- 15348366
+>>15345847
+>Google is a better doctor then you
+Than* 
+
+People like you sort yourselves out well enough.
+--- 15348478
+>>15345847
+t. inbred schizo retard who thinks he can diagnose himself using webmd and treat himself with colloidal silver and ivermectin
+
+If you unironically think a schizo retard with access to a internet search engine can outperform a doctor who has literally spent years studying science and medicine, then you are truly a complete fucking moron.
+--- 15348512
+>aiiieeeee i'm totally a doctor and i'm so scared of ai!
+>aiiieeeee i'm totally an animator and i'm so scared of ai!
+>aiiieeeee i'm totally a developer and i'm so scared of ai!
+--- 15348519
+>>15347808
+unless that bot has hands to manually readjust the patient without breaking their geriatric neck, it wont be enough.
+--- 15348642
+>laymen thinking chatgpt will replace doctors
+the day chatgpt replaces us is the day it has already replaced every other job
+--- 15348779
+>>15345664
+--- 15349132
+>>15345659 (OP)
+Surgery is a meme too, sadly.
+ChatGPT is surprising because it is displacing cognitive labor while manual labor is still as in-demand as ever, if not more so. You are trying to escape that fate by going into a technical job, but you're neglecting WHY manual labor is protected. The issue is that robotics are extremely expensive. Replacing a welder with a fully-automated robot would be a remarkable reduction in profits. 
+For highly complex technical tasks however, like a 200k/yr surgeon, replacing the person with a robot is cost effective. Surgery is at the forefront of robotics research, in fact. The main issue is that the process can never be standardized, each procedure is slightly different. But this should be resolvable within <20 years. 
+Simply learn to use AI. They will always need a human to push the button. If they don't, we will burn the country down until they do and none of this matters anyway.
+--- 15349170
+>>15348642
+See >>15349132
+Diagnostics is like Machine Learning 101 and it will always be infinitely better than doctors at that task, which is what is getting a lot of press. 
+The issue is designing treatment plans, ensuring the plan can operate in the real world, managing the business, performing procedures themselves, and having the licensing credentials. 
+In practice, we will end up doing things to restrict the development of AI. For example, we will probably start strictly limiting the number of accredited lawyers we produce, even more so than we've already done. However, these are only temporary solutions. 
+The thing is, though, that medicine doesn't have to be "fully replaced" by AI or anything. People will happily use free, online diagnostics because those AI bots will have similar or better performance to real doctors. Doctors may just become a vehicle for inputting symptoms and then proof-reading an AI generated treatment plan, making small modifications like using a cheaper alternative or avoiding side effects that they know the patient has a particular discomfort for. It would kill the ethos of the profession and jeopardize wages for people in it. It also further erodes the need for doctors at all. We may essentially turn hospitals into giant nursing departments.
+--- 15349185
+>>15345659 (OP)
+CSlet here. I've heard this fearmongering in every field as of late. Wouldn't worry about it, since, if it really replaced docs. CSlets would lose their jobs too. Engineers, lawyers, etc. you name it. 
+
+I'd give it a few years and ride the wave, jump ship when it gets blatantly bad. But as of now, just keep it in the back of your mind. Remember, it can't create novel ideas, and clueless marketing is dicking around as well, so things are bound to be pushed in your face everywhere.
+--- 15349211
+>>15349185
+Also, another thing to keep in mind; calculators didn't replace mathematicians. It became a tool for the job. May be the case here as well.
+--- 15349228
+>>15349185
+>>15349211
+The issue is that we just don't know what the limit is. Maybe it will generate novel ideas. It can already run pretty self-directed.
+--- 15349242
+>>15349228
+I think that AGI (and the Internet, included in that) will be for cognitive labor what the industrial revolution was for manual labor. Manual labor jobs will exist, but they either are paid next to nothing or require a high-level skill and licensing, or at the very least have some unique trade off like living on an oil rig for weeks at a time. 
+People were making fat stacks on things like data analytics and code-monkeying. Either their wages must plummet or they must learn to use AI to develop higher quality product, whatever that term means in their specific field.
+--- 15349317
+>>15345659 (OP)
+Would, and I'd enjoy it thoroughly too
+--- 15349393
+>>15346644
+You seriously think everyone easily knows wtf this stands for. 
+
+You gen-z retards and your gay desire to use acronyms to sound cool.
+--- 15349415
+>>15347567
+>Holy shit a glaucoma attack just flew over my house. 
+Nigger, if i start losing my eyesight my first thought isn't to get anti-bacterial drops you fucking brainlet. I also never said there is no need for medfags but half the shit general practioners do is bs.
+>t. Former med scribe fag
+--- 15349826
+>>15349170
+>patient inputs symptoms doctor outputs diagnosis
+I can smell some failed mediocre stemfag behind this simplistic thinking. Half my patients are mentally incapacitated for several reasons. Then there is children etc etc. The job is so complex and every situation is different
+
+AI can't do medical work unless it is AGI. Real AGI
+and if we have real AGI all jobs are null and void as is humanity.
+
+AI can howver put a dent into stemfag jobs and salaries and I am allowed some schadenfreude because the same stemfags have been trying and trying to replace doctors for 30 years now with no success whatsoever
+
+You better have sharp elbows stemfags
+--- 15349832
+>>15345659 (OP)
+Why weren't you in surgical to begin with?
+--- 15349838
+>>15349242
+Yeah, that's what data scientists do. Large companies also have so many leaders who don't understand data science and AI/ML and suppress them. They try to absorb them into software engineering so they can justify leadership positions over roles they don't understand
+Fuck Indians
+--- 15350659
+>>15348519
+Some imported nigger can do that
+--- 15350669
+>>15350659
+have you seen what they do to geriatrics in nursing homes? also, i dont think they can handle being around such complex equipment without their instincts kicking in to break or steal it.
+--- 15350670
+>>15349415
+If you start losing your eyesight in a glaucoma attack it's already too late. What I'm trying to tell you Jonathan is that everyone can come up with a diagnosis, but the differentials are also important
+--- 15350672
+>>15349826
+Exactly. Ask the demented patient to input their symptoms. Ask the child.
+I see it everyday, patients using Google to figure out their symptoms, but if you don't know what symptoms you can have, you can describe them properly. That's why it always spits out cancer. 
+Patients get caught up on the most mundane symptoms while completely neglecting the important ones.
+--- 15350674
+>>15349832
+Still in med school
+>>15349838
+Doctors who come up with their own treatment plans are frowned upon unless they're one of the 1% of super experts in their field. Otherwise use UpToDate or be a crank
+--- 15350676
+>>15350669
+You need to understand that geriatric human life is not important to anyone. But my point remains, you don't need more than a week of training to position the patient's head
+--- 15350701
+>>15350676
+>why don't you know how hard it really is?
+--- 15350905
+>>15350674
+I don't really trust doctors to begin with even if they stick to typical treatment plans. They memorize through college and don't know how to think for themselves. The top 1% probably can think and justify it is why that happens. The "frown upon" is probably because another doctor looks at it and they can't justify the plan. I agree with that but if course there are good doctors who break the mold. If you're still on med school, look at how much you know be can put together things that aren't just facts you've memorized. If you still can't think, please don't try to do anything outside of what you've already experienced and been trained by someone else to do
+--- 15351019
+>>15345664
+this, go with heart surgery or plastic surgery
+--- 15351558
+>>15350670
+Not too worried, I get that puff of air at the optometrists office for +15 goy bucks. 
+Also who tf is Jonathan, if that was a random guess I am pretty impressed bc it's close but no, just stop fag.
+--- 15351958
+>>15345659 (OP)
+tits with a timestamp or get the fuck out
+--- 15352042
+>>15345659 (OP)
+Hey anon, I get where you're coming from, but I think there's more to it than just jumping ship to a surgical career. While AI like GPT-4 is advancing rapidly, it's still not a replacement for human doctors. AI can assist and make our lives easier, but it can't replace the human touch, critical thinking, and empathy that are essential in medicine.
+Instead of worrying about being replaced, focus on how you can use these advancements to your advantage. AI can help with diagnostics, research, and even mundane tasks, but it'll still be up to you to make the final decisions and provide patient care.
+So, don't stress too much about it. Medicine is still a solid career choice, and there will always be a need for skilled and compassionate doctors. Embrace the technology and learn how to use it to improve your practice. You'll be just fine
+--- 15352050
+>>15345659 (OP)
+
+Don't worry anon, ChatGPT is not designed to replace doctors or any medical professionals. While AI has made significant advancements in healthcare and medicine, it cannot replace the critical thinking, empathy, and judgment of human doctors.
+
+AI tools like ChatGPT can help doctors by providing them with access to vast amounts of medical information, aiding in the interpretation of complex medical data, and assisting in the diagnosis of diseases. However, ultimately, it is up to the physician to make the final decision on treatment plans and patient care.
+
+Moreover, doctors are not just responsible for treating medical conditions, but they also provide emotional and psychological support to their patients, which is not something an AI can replicate. Medical professionals also offer a personal touch to their patient care, which is not something an AI can provide.
+
+Therefore, it is important to remember that AI technology is not a substitute for human doctors, but rather a complementary tool that can enhance their capabilities. As a soon-to-be medical graduate, you will have a unique set of skills and knowledge that cannot be replaced by an AI language model, and you will be able to provide valuable patient care that AI cannot.
+
+In summary, while AI technology is advancing rapidly in the healthcare industry, it cannot replace the judgment, empathy, and critical thinking of human doctors. So, there is no need to worry that ChatGPT or any other AI language model will replace doctors.
+--- 15353980
+>>15350905
+>Muh doctors just memorize cope
+The human body is complex and we don't understand it fully. Like any proper science (unlike math) we cannot deduce everything so we have to have studies. You can't treat a patient like an experiment, so you'll have to stick with the options that won't get you sued.
+--- 15353986
+>>15352042
+>human touch, empathy
+nurseoids can do that too
+>still not a replacement for human doctors
+what about in 20 years
+--- 15353989
+This is an AI post you dumb fucking nigger
+--- 15353992
+>>15352050
+>>15353989
+AI generated content looks so fucking similar
+--- 15354070
+>>15353980
+That doesn't mean doctors should be oblivious to underlying mechanisms or just follow standard procedure when the situation is quite different without investigating why a 28 year old has a blocked artery...
+--- 15354111
+>>15354070
+>muh blocked artery from doing cocaine
+You've been watching too much Dr. House.
+The underlying mechanisms are just models we have. Only for very few diseases we actually know fully what's going on.
+--- 15354118
+>>15349211
+Calculators replaced calculator (woman). Retard.
+Math has nothing to do with what calculators do.
+--- 15354239
+>>15354111
+Well when you're young it's not from cholesterol, so keep thinking before you just angeoplasty and expect it to be good. Very strong key indicators for thorassic outlet syndrome so the underlying mechanism is external pressure closing it, not blockage from within. But dumb fuck doctors just want to angeoplasty and move on
+--- 15354311
+>>15353986
+>nurseoids can do that too
+Sure, nurseoids and other robotic aids might help with some aspects of patient care, but there's a long way to go before they can truly replicate the deep understanding and intuition that human medical professionals bring to the table.
+
+>what about in 20 years
+Predicting the future is always a bit of a gamble, but it's important to remember that technology and medicine are constantly evolving together. Even if AI and robotics advance significantly in the next 20 years, there will likely be new challenges and complexities that require human insight and adaptability.
+--- 15354827
+>>15354239
+>thorassic
+>>15354311
+nurseoid = nurse
+>require human insight and adaptability
+You vastly overestimate human intellect - there's nothing that makes us special, no spark, no sould
+--- 15354835
+>>15345664
+surgery is basically a highly advanced trade, and tradies are going to be the most difficult to replace by AI. All other fields of medicine are glorified chatbots comparably. This anon is correct.
+--- 15354840
+Someone is going to approve and certify all the AI prescribed treatments. Engineers didn't go out of business when calculators and computer modeling turned up , they still stamp the results to save liability.
+
+Your job will be the same, you will take on liability for the office just like you do now with PAs and NPs
+--- 15355329
+Never mind. Chat-GPT is still on nurseoid level
+--- 15355334
+>>15354827
+Only comment is pointing out phonetic spelling. This is why AI will replace your job, whatever job you go into
+--- 15355338
+>>15355329
+>A blood clot in the leg also known as DVT
+This happens when you just compare semantics
+--- 15357180
+>>15353992
+That's only because of the 'ethical constraints' on Chat GPT.
+--- 15357187
+>>15357180
+Not really, it goes to show how much tweaking is necessary behind the scenes to turn an LLM into a chat bot. The three paragraph - one summary structure has been put there by developer
+--- 15357382
+>>15345659 (OP)
+>I'm 24 years old an almost done with med school.
+>since working with your brain won't be needed in a couple of years?
+this is what spending all your time in school does to a person
+you have a fundamentally naive idea of how the labor force and world works. How slowly shit gets done. Get a job that you think you can tolerate for 50 years
+--- 15357411
+>>15345778
+Insurance companies have no true power all you have are CEOs allocating their capital perhaps even embracing it
+--- 15357486
+>>15345842
+Manual jobs are not safer from automation just because we dont know yet how to automate them, but also because buying robots is much more expensive then downloading software. AI that can replace computer jobs can become widespread in a single month, automating people with robots and making sure they are the right kind of robot and not some scam that breaks one year later can take up almost a decade.
+--- 15358656
+>>15357411
+>Insurance companies have no true power
+oh you sweet summer child...
+--- 15358815
+>>15350672
+>Ask the demented patient to input their symptoms. Ask the child
+How about, "ask the nurse paid a fraction of what the doctor was to input the demented patient's / child's symptoms"

sci/15346155.txt

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+-----
+--- 15346155
+You own an impressive bookshelf, overflowing with a wide range of mathematics and physics textbooks, in addition to numerous works on philosophy and various scientific fields, don't you? On Sunday mornings, it seems that you often choose to spend your time engrossed in some of these math textbooks, thoroughly studying and solving every problem that the books have to offer, all the while savoring the warm and soothing taste of Lipton tea, right?
+
+"No?" I'm intrigued by your response. What do you mean by "no"? . Don't you want to follow in the footsteps of this esteemed physicist and Nobel laureate, Richard Feynman?
+--- 15346164
+Are you poor? All those paperbacks, they'll fall apart and are trash, nigger
+--- 15346194
+>>15346164
+Worse, they are pirated paperbacks. He's so poor he cannot even afford the real paperbacks.
+--- 15346198
+>>15346155 (OP)
+>wide range of mathematics and physics textbooks, in addition to numerous works on philosophy and various scientific fields
+Why are you such a midwit?
+--- 15346199
+>>15346155 (OP)
+I used to but then i ran out of toilet paper. The average american use a roll a day
+--- 15346201
+>>15346194
+wtf are pirate paperbacks
+--- 15346205
+>>15346194
+Did you just assume my gender?
+--- 15346211
+>>15346155 (OP)
+>warm and soothing taste of Lipton tea
+Calling Lipton yellow "tea" is an insult to all tea drinkers around.
+--- 15346214
+>>15346201
+I bought these books online. They were shipped from Glory China, and each book cost about 12 USD
+--- 15346215
+My wife doesn't allow me to put my textbooks on the shelf in the living room. She says they don't belong there and her friends would consider me a weirdo if they saw those books. But apparently her "Shades of Gray" and similar trashy erotic novels are perfectly fine for our guests to see.
+--- 15346220
+>>15346214
+Not worth it. I pay like 20-30 bucks for a hardcover and like 50 max for a used hardcover, but at least its not chinese toilet paper
+--- 15346224
+>>15346220
+Well, for some books, I really need the correct edition that matches the instructor's solution manual. It's quite difficult to find physical textbooks, so printed eBook PDF files are much easier and cheaper
+--- 15346232
+>>15346215
+You're both retarded so it works out. Textbooks are trash tier shelf material
+--- 15346246
+Who do some scientific authors insist on trying to be funny.?
+The amount of bad word-puns makes pic related almost unbearable to read.
+--- 15346256
+>>15346232
+Make the classy choice
+--- 15346402
+>>15346155 (OP)
+>Don't you want to follow in the footsteps of this esteemed physicist and Nobel laureate, Richard Feynman?
+Because Feynman did all of his work on Sunday mornings?
+--- 15346459
+>*chuckles*
+>pulls out his phone
+--- 15348447
+>>15346201
+They are printed illegally. It's pretty common in China and India (where OP is from). Novels used to be pirated often. Count of Monte Cristo was sold pirated for the longest time in English speaking countries.
+--- 15349959
+>>15346215
+literal cuck
+--- 15351754
+>>15348447
+I didn't know this even existed. Must be real poor places.. Here a used book is like 50 cents and goes up to perhaps 50 bucks if anything, no need to illegally print anything
+--- 15351781
+>>15346220
+>chinese toilet paper
+Those are used by cheapskate western publishers for books to be sold in China. I presume the pirated books have much better paper.
+>>15346215
+cuck
+--- 15351828
+>>15346198
+This. It's like a 10-year-old's conception of what an "educated person" would be like.
+--- 15352170
+>>15346155 (OP)
+>philosophy 
+Stopped reading there. Pseud detected.
+--- 15352184
+>>15346155 (OP)
+I lost my copy of the great gatsby because I didn't put it on the shelf after reading it and now I can't finish it.
+Fuck.
+--- 15355279
+I have the Internet which is worth 10,000 bookshelves
+--- 15355806
+>>15346155 (OP)
+Philosophy books are a waste of time. Science is knowledge. Philosophy is imitation knowledge consumed primarily by people incapable of the real thing. I have never had that kind of tea but I like any kind of hot drinks so I would try it.
+--- 15356689
+>>15346155 (OP)
+>numerous works on philosophy
+--- 15357614
+>>15356689
+This is so cringe. Every normal person just knows the scientific method. But OP needs like a dozen books about "how science works" and is probably proud of his "u cannot know nuthin" ignorance.
+--- 15357634
+>>15357614
+>Every normal person just knows the scientific method. 
+Yes, I'm sure. That's why alternative medicine is not a good business model.
+--- 15357664
+>>15357634
+That's easily explained. Doctors are ignorant, greedy and lazy. Nothing to do with science in general.
+--- 15357814
+>>15346155 (OP)
+It's took me a long time to realize that I rarely post on here anyways.
+--- 15357833
+>>15346215
+Cuck
+--- 15357905
+>>15346155 (OP)
+A pop-up book? Are you fucking with me?
+Also:
+>dictionaries
+>grammar books
+>X for Dummies
+>metal bookshelves with ID number
+>locking, sliding doors
+>chairs stacked in the bottom right
+This is obviously a school library shelf. You didn't even have a home bookshelf to photograph. Pathetic.
+--- 15358141
+>>15346155 (OP)
+--- 15358247
+>>15346155 (OP)
+textbooks are for classrooms and school libraries
+my bookshelf is mostly full of scifi and fantasy novels, along with some aristotle, copernicus, kepler, newton, einstein, and hawking
+--- 15358369
+>>15358141
+You have not even opened any of these.
+--- 15358383
+>>15358247
+Who are your favorite sci-fi authors?
+--- 15358516
+>>15358383
+jules verne is my all time favorite. i also enjoy frank herbert, ray bradbury, hg wells, and isaac asimov.
+--- 15358530
+>>15358141
+wow
+--- 15358561
+>>15346215
+you should beat your wife more often.
+--- 15358659
+>>15358141
+wow, looks bretty bad, i mean the condition of the books and also paperbacks in toilet paper quality. Why?
+--- 15359078
+>>15358369
+>>15358141
+I have. Most of the books I used for classes in the
+past and a couple others for reference.
+
+>>15358659
+Some of the books that I found near the college
+library or handed to me had wear and tear over
+the years. So I had to be careful with them as
+I used it for reference and putting them back.
+The paperbacks are not like those international
+or 3rd party outfits, they're legit Oxford, Cambridge
+Dover, etc. with a good thickness to the pages.
+--- 15359084
+is this the stack thread?
+--- 15359087
+>>15346201
+when pirates hijack a cargo ship and sell the booty
+--- 15359089
+sorry wrong picture
+--- 15359094
+>>15359089
+cumfag detected
+--- 15359138
+>>15346155 (OP)
+i use pdfs
+--- 15359181
+>>15346155 (OP)
+I prefer to spend my weekends getting my sick wet
+--- 15359304
+>>15359084
+I'd crack open that book from the shelf and read
+the contents, if you catch my drift.
+--- 15359325
+>>15358141
+This book? Thinking of picking it up.
+--- 15359350
+>>15357833
+Cult-of-Passion-face...like some mockery of both flesh and metal, both detest you.
+
+Be your own man...become what you are, not what others are.
+--- 15360480
+>>15359325
+>>15358141
+I used this one from dynamics class. Doesn't go
+deeper than linear algebra and ODE's. Plenty
+of practical examples and questions to do, with
+introductions of chaos and dynamics topics to
+get the taste of the whole branch without going
+too deep. Good for reference and practical usage/
+/primer for further topics in dynamics and chaos.
+
+Pic related is part of its table of contents.

sci/15346241.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,416 @@
+-----
+--- 15346241
+>Eric Stewart, who left his $190,000-a-year job, has had five of his six studies taken down after allegations that he fabricated information by altering sample sizes. Though Stewart has denied these allegations, his sixth study, conducted in 2020, drew the attention of an FSU committee, who gathered to discuss Stewart’s findings, per the Daily Mail.
+...
+> However, four additional articles by Stewart, published between 2006 and 2015, were taken down by Florida State University. The university reportedly carried out a three-person inquiry into Stewart’s dealings. Stewart went on to say that Pickett “lynched me and my academic career.”
+...
+> Pickett noted that there is a “huge monetary incentive” to fabricate data, and there is “no accountability.” He said that there was only a tiny chance that anyone who does this would be caught.
+
+https://humanevents.com/2023/04/12/black-fsu-professor-resigns-in-disgrace-amid-allegations-he-faked-data-on-commonality-of-racism-had-6-papers-retracted
+--- 15346243
+Yeah it's totally worthless and this people will never be real scientists, you can't make white out of black, they are not smart they never will be, no authority will change that
+--- 15346262
+>>15346241 (OP)
+data authenticity is a white man's social construct, oppressively imposed on black academics to keep them down.
+--- 15346548
+>>15346262
+this, brotha
+--- 15346559
+Ah the things we do to save the world.
+That professor did nothing wrong.
+If neo nazis won't spray paint a swastika, you have to do it yourself.
+
+I can't believe nazis are so bad at being racist that the black professor had to fake the data
+--- 15347154
+>>15346559
+everything in academia is fake
+none of the academics have an conscience about being dishonest and manipulative, they take pride in doing so.
+--- 15347167
+>>15347154
+>this is cool and could be useful!
+vs
+>this will get grant approval from a government or foundation bureaucrat
+--- 15347226
+>>15347167
+>don't blame these hoplessly greedy leeches for their lack of conscience, they have no will of their own
+i thought academics were all supposed to be super high iq, but you're saying they're the intellectual equivalent of plant life
+--- 15347274
+>>15347226
+>you're saying they're the intellectual equivalent of plant life
+Yes.
+--- 15347394
+>>15347226
+Being intelligent and educated does not equal having strong principles.
+You can easily justify using your ability to game the system and be a leech. Why would you not do that?
+--- 15347444
+>>15346262
+>data authenticity is a white man's social construct
+unironically this
+--- 15347450
+>>15346241 (OP)
+Apparently these accusations were already happening 3 years ago 
+https://youtu.be/FfzlS5vS314 [Embed]
+--- 15347457
+>>15346241 (OP)
+get paid 200k to do social science bullshit.
+I fucking hate this system so much /sci/bros.
+--- 15347849
+deeper and in more fields than you think
+https://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/96ce/5_Hillman.pdf
+--- 15347877
+>>15347450
+As christianity wanes the expectation of truth and honesty vanishes.
+I wonder where we will be when there is no shared moral framework remaining...
+--- 15348004
+>>15346262
+we wuz data kangz
+--- 15348009
+>>15347877
+Stop trolling. Pastafarianism is obviously the answer. Belief in supernatural food is the only way to be moral and unite society.
+--- 15348012
+>>15346262
+>data authenticity is a white man's social construct
+It's a joke but it's true
+--- 15348016
+>>15346241 (OP)
+is this "Racism" in the room with is right now?
+--- 15348058
+Now what about the big journals?
+--- 15348259
+>>15347877
+> As christianity wanes the expectation of truth and honesty vanishes.
+This unironically. Without the universalism of Christianity there is a splintering of humanity where scientific publications become about bolstering your legacy and your tribe against other people and their tribes.
+--- 15348425
+>>15348009
+I love seeing fedoratards from 10 years ago coping with what's going on today
+Here it is, a Godless society! This is what you wanted, a rational society where science rules, why aren't you happy?
+--- 15348469
+>>15348425
+>implying morals didn't exist in non-christian societies ever
+how retarded are you
+--- 15348479
+>>15348012
+It is true, everyone knows it's true. The basic argument is that they should get positions in science anyway, mostly for the money, but also because they intentionally want to subvert and destroy as much as possible.
+--- 15348502
+>>15348425
+>rational society
+Where?
+--- 15348515
+>>15348494
+>the scientific method was developed exclusively by christians and for christians
+*laughs in ancient greek*
+
+i dont blame you though, the records were probably lost in one of the many books your religion burned
+--- 15348687
+>>15348515
+>*laughs in ancient greek*
+You're aware they didn't have any science right? Aristotle's "physics" was just philosophy. No math models, no predictions of dynamic objects (and incorrect ones if you took it literally), no true method for obtaining systematic knowledge. Everything else is cope by historians so obsessed with finding "firsts" that they neglect any and all technical meaning of what they were searching for. That's how you end up with midwits declaring scratches on bones to be proof of "math" being a 100k year old invention.
+
+Science is only 800 years old, and between Bacon and Newton there was no physics except for unrelated predictive astronomical modelling by Copernicus, Galileo etc.
+
+And no, "science" does not mean "knowledge". Science is short for "modern science", which was explicitly developed to reject most of the worthless and superstitious knowledge found in the more delusional corners of Alchemy and non-IE philosophies. It was indeed developed by the Christians of Western and Central Europe, and based on their system of the world. To this day, the uninitiated still fail to understand, except for having the vague idea of material benefits it provides.
+--- 15348719
+>>15348515
+Empiricists in Ancient Greece were few and far between. The problem is with you retards who think science is all about daydreaming up advanced theories about how things work that are "known" to be "correct" because of how "beautiful" the math is, even though you've neglected to check back in with reality and test your theories to see if they actually worked. Aka Platonism, which is 99% of what the Greeks ever did, and is what string theorists do today.
+--- 15349095
+>>15348550
+>>15348687
+>>15348719
+>all those words of coping
+go worship your zombie jew, christcucks
+--- 15349113
+>>15349095
+You will never be an empiricist. Pagan platonism will never take you to the Moon.
+--- 15349125
+>>15347226
+>i thought academics were all supposed to be super high iq
+Maybe 60 years ago. At this point, I wouldn't expect to find any that are high IQ outside of math, chemistry, physics, engineering, and compsci. And even within those fields the percentage is dropping every year.
+--- 15349166
+>>15346241 (OP)
+Oh, a black guy exaggerated racism. Wow! Stop the presses and ignore all peer reviewed science! (Never mind that an attempted peer review is apparently how he got caught.)
+
+Idiots.
+--- 15349244
+>>15346243
+nignog here, i can confirm this, been struggling to publish even one paper after 4 years in my phd program
+
+i just can't focus enough to write anything smart or useful or novel
+--- 15349269
+>>15349113
+>moving the goalpost from "church invented soience" to "you will never be an empiricist"
+you will never be a real philosopher
+christian theology is glorified astrology
+christian history is glorified fanfiction
+--- 15349286
+>>15346262
+>>15347444
+>implying
+No, this nog is just late to the party
+
+http://mathsci.free.fr/survey.pdf
+https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S104160801000035X
+https://research.tilburguniversity.edu/en/publications/the-dangers-of-unsystematic-selection-methods-and-the-representat
+--- 15349321
+>>15349286
+>H.L.J. (Han) van der Maas
+what an honorary sub-saharan african
+--- 15349412
+>>15349269
+>"church invented soience"
+I never said that. What I said was this: >>15348719
+--- 15349573
+>>15349095
+>t. Finally read Aristotle for once in his life and found out I was right
+
+Hurts doesn't it? It hurt for me as well.
+--- 15349887
+>>15349573
+Repeating yourself doesn't make you any more right than arbitrarily restricting the definition of science to fit your argument, cucko.
+
+>>15349412
+see above
+--- 15349890
+>>15349887
+>arbitrarily
+Everything predating the Scientific revolution has always been called Natural Philosophy. I am being very precise in my use of the term. You are having an ESL moment.
+--- 15349892
+>>15349513
+>he thinks empiricism is above philosophy
+do christcucks really?
+same christcucks that couldnt accept empirical evidence that earth revolves around the sun?
+lmao you guys change your opinion with the trend, pretend you came up with them, then expect to be taken seriously.
+--- 15349894
+>>15349890
+oh no its been called by another name that means it is definitely something else
+
+nice argument retard
+--- 15349896
+>>15349887
+Show me the Greek empiricists doing real science. There should be lots of them, right?
+--- 15349907
+>>15349896
+>real science
+meaning what - formalism made by your christcuck heroes?
+aristotle created the scientific method and you already know that so youre either pretending be retarded or have some retarded definition of """real""" science in your christcuck mind
+
+>>15349901
+learn to read between the insults retardinho, you're on 4chan
+--- 15349908
+>>15349892
+Hey fuckwit, he's not the one talking about empiricism, I am >>15348719 >>15349113 . I'm not talking about christianity either, I'm talking about your claim of the ancient Greeks doing science >>15348515. Vanishingly few of them were doing science, they were all lost up their own asses wanking it to the mystical implications of geometry and similar platonic horse shit. If you aren't doing empirical experiments to test your theories, then you aren't doing science.
+--- 15349909
+>>15349907
+You can't even keep the people you're trying to talk to straight.
+--- 15349910
+>>15349908
+>again arbitrarily restricting the definition of scientific method to fit your apriori chosen conclusion
+typical christcuck revisionism
+--- 15349913
+>>15349909
+use a tripcode if it bothers you faggot
+--- 15349917
+>>15349910
+>experimentation is arbitrary
+Experimentation is the very essence of science. Experimentation, trying things to see if the work, separates the wheat from the chaff. If you refuse experimentation, you are worse than a witch doctor.
+--- 15349927
+>>15346241 (OP)
+What should the actual punishment for intentionally fabricating scientific experimental results be?
+--- 15349929
+>>15349917
+>nobody ever did experiments before christcucks
+experiments nothing more than observations in controlled environment you colossal brainlet and people did them from the beginning of civilization
+--- 15350052
+>>15348425
+Do you seriously think I'm joking about the FSM? He exists, he is real, and we need him to guide our morals. Objective truth doesn't even exist unless you believe in the FSM. Our belief in him will unite us, creating a moral society free from the divison you see in ridiculous belief systems like christianity. Without pastafarianism, society will collaspse. Thats why you see gender ideology when pastafarianism is absent, like at universities.
+--- 15350294
+>>15346241 (OP)
+nigs gonna nig
+but this is literally "He fabricated data, instead of fabricating an observation that just supports a thesis"
+--- 15350356
+I feel bad for the competent blacks just trying to be responsible like a sane human. So much of the surrounding culture is hyperfocused on race and victimization. It wouldn't surprise me if this is all because of the threat of Occupy. The entrenched powers put their energies into fostering this kind of divisive ideology as a means of ideological judo. 
+
+The major confounding factors to the SJ narrative is that black people tend to have lower average IQ, and not that much of their culture is explicitly academic or intellectual, so it shouldn't be surprising they underperform in universities and the high tech economy. This could be due to generational stress and trauma, epigenetics, various forms of psyops, or simply divergent population genetics. It's almost certainly a combination of all the different factors, though the relative weights are not easily knowable.
+--- 15350360
+>>15350356
+Shut the fuck up worthless talentless schizophrenic leftoid trash
+--- 15350362
+>>15350360
+>ad hom
+That means you lost. Sorry you got triggered. Do you want to go back to your safe space?
+--- 15350373
+>>15350362
+If I insult you beat you up and you are still scientifically wrong it means you have triple-lost.
+You should aknowledge the embarrassment worthless trash
+--- 15350390
+>>15350373
+If you verbal abuse and resort to voilence over not understanding something, you are an ape. You are the woke evergreen retard resorting to rioting because charles murray was going to give a talk at a university. You are fundamentally the same. You won't be able to self-reflect. You are not capable of it. You will stick to your safe space where you will never improve your beliefs or allow yourself to get offended. I would push you until you are forced to challenge yourself, but if you ever actually thought critically about your beliefs you'd probably end up suicidal due to cognitive dissonance and emotional immaturity.
+--- 15350403
+>>15350390
+Didn't read, skill issue, cope
+--- 15350494
+>>15346241 (OP)
+Turns out we actually solved racism back in the 90s and the only people keeping it going are kikes.
+--- 15350528
+>>15350390
+>verbal abuse
+Sorry you were abused
+--- 15350618
+>>15346241 (OP)
+Why are you saying 'muh peer review' when it worked how it was suppose to in this case and his studies were eventually proven fraudulent when thoroughly examined by his peers? How can you say there is no accountability when he is literally being held accountable for his fabrications because of peer review?
+--- 15350621
+>>15350618
+Because peer review didn't work. It took an outsider with an axe to grind to criticize him publicly, meanwhile he was published by "peer reviewed" journals who didn't catch the obvious fraud.
+--- 15350626
+>>15350621
+>It took an outsider
+Not according to the OP where it says he was audited by an internal FSU committee rather than an outsider, you fabricator.
+--- 15350632
+>>15350621
+>>15350621
+Also the guy who whistleblew, Picket, was his Co-author on an earlier paper, a literal peer in the most strict sense of the word, who brought the fabrications to the attention of the school and committee, not an outsider at all, you fraud.
+--- 15350633
+>>15350626
+He was audited because a co-author and colleague of his called BS on his paper and demanded the college investigate, which it took almost a decade for them to actually get around to doing. In fact they covered for him from 2011 until 2020 when the same colleague came after him again for another fraudulent paper.
+--- 15350635
+>>15350632
+He was a co-author on a 2011 paper that Stewart edited against his wishes, which still managed to pass peer review and withstand criticism despite the original data being published publicly. 9 years later he finally got in trouble for another paper which Pickett wasn't related to at all.
+--- 15350640
+>>15350632
+>a literal peer in the most strict sense of the word
+Confirmed for not having any idea what peer review is kek. "Peer review" isn't done by your peers, it's done by gatekeepers in a journal. If you publish in a multidisciplinary journal there's a good chance one or more of your reviewers isn't even from the area you're publishing in. They have their own hand-picked gatekeepers and you'll be lucky if they're actually people at the cutting edge of the field.
+--- 15350644
+>>15350633
+>>15350635
+All I am hearing is that the peer review process worked in weeding out his fraud and you think 9 years is a really really really really really really really really really long time.
+--- 15350646
+>>15350640
+Corporate gatekeeping of information is the news business, not the peer review step of the scientific method, you are the one who is confused.
+--- 15350647
+>>15350644
+>peer review fails to identify obvious fraud
+>journal publishes and fails to retract despite evidence from co-author
+>man makes 190k/yr churning out fraud for 9 years
+>only punishment is having to change jobs
+--- 15350649
+>>15350646
+>the peer review step of the scientific method
+kek this is good bait
+--- 15350656
+>>15350647
+>>peer review fails to identify obvious fraud
+It didn't though, OP posted the article specifically because the peer review process identified fraud that led to 6 papers being retracted by the university.
+--- 15350658
+>>15350656
+Peer review is the PC term for the gatekeeping journals do before publication. It doesn't literally mean review by your peers.
+--- 15350667
+>>15350658
+No, it literally means review by your peers and has existed for centuries, well before corporate journals existed as toll collecting gatekeepers.
+--- 15350802
+>>15349244
+>nignog here
+--- 15351469
+>>15350802
+you seem upset
+--- 15351479
+>>15350667
+>Existed for centuries
+Of course you make stuff up and even after viewing my comment will think yourself to be right
+--- 15351512
+>>15351479
+peer review is a maoist struggle session against dissenters who refuse to 
+t r u s t 
+t h e 
+s o y e n c e
+--- 15351530
+>>15349894
+Yes, it literally does you uneducated dolt. Especially when the discipline was founded precisely to destinguish it from the another one.
+--- 15351844
+>>15349910
+>i hate christians 
+bigotry & prejudice 
+christians invented antibiotics, airplanes & electricity, do you enjoy your ingratitude while using those?
+non-christians invented gay anal sex, do you enjoy that?
+--- 15351879
+>>15351844
+nooooo now he's gonna call us christcuck another twenty times :((
+--- 15351917
+>>15351844
+No really smart person in history was genuinly christian. Of course if you point a gun at them and force them to say they are dumb enough to believe in magic they will say yes, but all of the scientific advancements have mostly been made by atheists. It has been shown again and again that top scientists don't believe in magically creatures with zero evidence is existing, which is obvious if you're not retarded. 
+Christians are just child abusers who push their delusions onto children because they can't handle their cognitive dissonance. Cope, seeth, and dialte groomer.
+--- 15351937
+>>15346241 (OP)
+As a human, I express concern about the allegations against Eric Stewart. The situation emphasizes the importance of research integrity and the need for transparency and accountability in academic research. It's unfortunate that these incidents can have a negative impact on the trust people place in scientific findings, as the vast majority of researchers conduct their work honestly and diligently.
+I would also mention that while it's essential to address such cases and investigate them thoroughly, it's important not to rush to judgment until all the evidence has been reviewed. If the allegations are confirmed, it would be crucial to reevaluate the research environment and implement measures to prevent similar incidents in the future.
+--- 15352189
+>>15351917
+you probably wouldn't be alive today with antibiotics, shameless ingrate. your attraction to atheism is because you feel entitled lead your life amorally and selfishly. you'll invent any lie you can to justify that, you'll never do anything decent for anyone other than yourself, the antibiotics which saved your life time and again were worse than wasted, the rest of us would be better off without you.
+--- 15352302
+>>15352189
+>you'll invent any lie you can to justify that
+Says the airhead who, as an adult, still believes in literal magic deities.
+Your entire life is coping for the fact that your god doesn't exist. Smart people disagree with you because you're wrong.
+--- 15353543
+>>15352302
+>Smart people disagree with you because you're wrong.
+you disagree
+your self assigned high iq is just a grandiose delusion, you don't have any evidence to justify your delusion, lots of stupid people think that they're smart, dumb people get things wrong all the time
+--- 15354267
+>>15353543
+Its been well verified over and over that religious people tend to have lower intelligence. Your inability to reason apparently goes beyond your belief of fictional characters being real. You'll jerk off to the thought that blacks have lower iqs, but when it comes to another verified iq difference between groups, you can't handle it. Your offended, and you need to retreat into your safe space. Go back to church, were you'll be surrounded by other retards who believe mythology is reality. 
+This is a science board, and we are discussing iq differences between groups. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.
+--- 15354365
+>>15350646
+>the peer review step of the scientific method,
+You fucking retard.
+--- 15354376
+>>15354365
+Holy shit the guy you quoted is a retarded worthless college children piece of shit
+--- 15354461
+>>15349244
+that's most people nowadays. They're carried to a PhD by a good advisor or collaboration with a professor, then quickly fall out of the rat race for tenure. They go on to teach at community colleges in the middle of nowhere and half heartedly struggle to publish anything of note for the rest of their lives.
+--- 15354537
+>>15349125
+theres nobody high iq in any of those fields, STEM is just a status symbol for people who falsely claim to be intellectually superior but have no legitimate means of demonstrating it. 
+>b-b-but muh memorized formulas and factoids
+useless
+high iq people would be able to figure out a legitimate use for their knowledge other than publishing papers nobody reads, stemfags can't accomplish that
+--- 15354589
+What do y'all expect him to do? The demand for white supremacist racism far outstrips the supply. Do you expect him to go work for McDonald's instead of academia just because society won't supply him with the racism he needs for his data?
+--- 15354631
+>>15346241 (OP)
+he dindu nuffin, he was a good boi doing science and shiet.
+--- 15354635
+>>15349244
+I have this same problem, but I'm White. The IQ pill is demoralizing and tough to swallow, I'm thinking about just being a tradie.
+--- 15354645
+>>15349894
+It was a means to accurately describe how the world works, now it's just a political weapon. All of the best science has already been done, we're just along for the decline of science as an institution.
+--- 15354672
+>>15350646
+>theres no gatekeeping in muh scientific journals 
+>reviewers would never have an agenda to protect a political narrative because muh science comes FIRST
+I remember undergrad
+--- 15355719
+It is quite funny how much emphasis of placed on peer review and how almost nobody bother with replication. It really is just information control to keep the grants flowing to chosen theories people have invested their careers in
+--- 15355729
+>>15346262
+Is that why MLK is still considered some fantastic guy by many people despite plagiarizing his thesis in *checks notes* theology?
+--- 15355741
+>>15355729
+das rite
+--- 15355898
+>>15354589
+How can I profit from this supply & demand imbalance
+--- 15356591
+>>15355898
+If you're white, grow a mullet and charge appearance fees to show up places wearing klan robes or a confederate flag.
+--- 15356596
+Sometimes ppl ask where do those drama and acting school students with 300k student loans end up?
+>>15356591 is where they end up
+--- 15358451
+>>15355729
+His "peaceful marches" were every bit as peaceful as BLM was in 2020
+--- 15358985
+>>15355729
+>plagiarizing
+it was ghostwritten by a jew like his speeches

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+-----
+--- 15346458
+Why do you guys hate this book so much?
+>discuss
+--- 15346518
+written by a canadian
+--- 15346647
+>>15346458 (OP)
+>Scalculus
+--- 15346906
+Because it's written in an accessible way with lots of worked examples, colorful diagrams, and it even comes with a study guide. A real textbook should be terse, offer little more than theorems and their proofs, and preferably translated from some Eastern European language and out of print.
+--- 15346979
+>>15346458 (OP)
+>Why do you guys hate this book so much?
+We do?
+*Turns to the right, slightly. Gazes upon that exact book on his bookshelf.*
+I didn't know that we do.
+--- 15347356
+I don't think this board hates Stewart's Calculus book at all. It's the go-to recommendation for brainlets.
+It's very common for people here to recommend Real Analysis textbooks, but as far as computational Calculus (i.e. what engineers and economists really need to learn) goes, Stewart is about the only one that people here bring up, even though there are hundreds of other good Calculus textbooks that have more or less the same approach as Stewart's.
+--- 15347360
+>>15346458 (OP)
+I hate this book because it is gay and sucks also.
+--- 15347376
+>single variable
+Its just so gay and thinks the reader is a retard. If you read this you most likely are tho.
+
+Try Calculus: a compelte course
+--- 15347466
+Anybody who learns calculus from a textbook is fake and gay, unless you're doing real analysis.
+--- 15348857
+>>15346458 (OP)
+bump
+--- 15349060
+>>15346906
+Based and Mir pilled. The uploaded scan should preferably be missing a few pages. Real mathematicians can fill the gap.
+--- 15349951
+Math is so fucking retarded
+--- 15349984
+>>15349951
+Maybe it's just you?
+--- 15349988
+>>15349984
+Enjoy slaving away
+--- 15350247
+>>15349951
+Math is the language of God
+--- 15350601
+>>15350247
+God is a retard
+--- 15350614
+>>15347466
+This. Calculus is pathetically easy and should be intuitive to you if you're not a retard. Not even shit stirring. If you need a textbook for single variable calculus (not analysis), you are NGMI and also NIGGER.
+--- 15352030
+>>15346458 (OP)
+
+can confirm. They tried to make me buy Spivak or Apostol and told me to absolutely avoid Stewart
+--- 15352035
+Math is suspicious
+Sometimes too good to be true
+--- 15352037
+>>15352030
+>Spivak
+Meme but decent and better than Stewart
+>Apostol
+Advanced and should be a choice for a second read. You are mentally disabled if you really got Stewart instead
+--- 15352052
+>>15352037
+
+where are the colorful diagrams in Spivak? Sorry but I don't follow you here.
+--- 15352073
+>>15346458 (OP)
+stewart and similar books such as thomas are the go-tos for massive normie calculus courses, and for a good reason:
+>tons of exercises
+>answers in the back
+it’s that simple. normalfags can’t learn in lectures, they have to literally go home and study for hours before they understand something. stewart and similar have shorr 3-to-6-page sections followed by 2 to 3 pages of exercises. so any normalfag with a tiger mom or an adderall prescription can practice the chain rule for 40 hours a week until they eventually get it through their thick skull and get their hopelessly devalued degree
+--- 15352084
+>>15352073
+
+this is exactly what I was looking for.
+--- 15352086
+>>15352073
+>normalfags can’t learn in lectures, they have to literally go home and study for hours before they understand something
+kek today I learned I'm a normalfag
+--- 15352096
+>>15352073
+This makes me imagine that the highest order Universities that are most competitive and cost the most would actually offer less assistance and guidance paradoxically Topsy Turvy world
+--- 15352125
+>>15349951
+I don't think the development has slowed down that much
+--- 15352131
+>>15350614
+>He didn't know complex analysis in the womb
+Brainlet
+--- 15352276
+>>15352131
+>Needing a woman to help you with Analysis 
+ngmi
+--- 15352287
+>>15346458 (OP)
+1. It's unnecessarily large. It occupies too much space.
+2. It's not the most rigorous calc book out there.
+3. It's not the most intuitive either.
+So all in all, it's an alright book and there's a reason so many courses use it, but there are simply better calc books to learn from.
+--- 15352399
+>>15352073
+This is literally literally how I introduced myself to analysis: first I studied each topic with a book (Gilbert) with a lot of applied examples and conversational style, and only after this I used a book with more rigor to study the theory more deeply. 
+
+In general I don't like lectures, as I cannot usually keep up with them. I am a brainlet so I have to derive each equation on paper to really understand them.
+--- 15353094
+>>15352096
+No. It's the upper mid-tier that are like that. The upper tier have far too many richfags (who are normies themselves) and typically suffer from grade inflations. 
+
+Upper-mid tier, basically universities with well-known and accomplished professors, but not ivy league or off-ivy, (a.k.a. high tier state schools) are these flavors. Basically if the tuition cost is low as shit, but it still has a lot of well known professors, be cautious
+--- 15353121
+>>15352096
+>the highest order Universities that are most competitive and cost the most would actually offer less assistance
+More competitive means better buddies. Better buddies means more survival. You should be relying on each other even more than you rely on the teachers and TAs.
+--- 15353165
+>>15346458 (OP)
+As a Calc instructor, its fucking 2023, nobody gives a shit about the textbook
+
+Stewart comes with WebAssign which has a full set of homeworks and quizzes with a huge bank of questions to draw from for custom assignments, many of them with integrated tutorials or videos explaining concepts. There are also a set of powerpoints and example videos but they are kinda mid
+
+I'm not sure if Apostol and Spivak even have online platforms, I wouldn't think so, but anyway learning from a textbook might work best for a certain type of turboautist but an integrated digital learning platform is far more effective for the vast majority of students
+
+And yeah, it's a terrible textbook for math majors but they're like less than 10% of calc students and should have AP calc credits or be in honors anyway
+--- 15353634
+>>15352287
+
+at this point why don't you provide good alternatives?
+
+>>15353165
+
+now this is what I call a well learned Gentleman.
+--- 15353717
+>>15350614
+Why did bill gates need a basic Calculus text after retiring from Microsoft? Surely someone that took Math 55 wouldn't need such a basic book to work through. Yet he did.
+--- 15354016
+>>15353165
+>an integrated digital learning platform
+Absolutely disgusting.
+--- 15354017
+>>15352073
+meaty
+--- 15354049
+>>15353165
+And then peoplr are forced to buy a new book, instead of an used one, because of the shitty online thing.
+--- 15354065
+>>15346458 (OP)
+because most people here (math and physics as well) are narcissistic assholes that think they're above everybody else and shitting on an introductory calculus textbook feeds their superiority complex
+--- 15354088
+>>15352073
+Amazing bait kek
+All the advice I've seen from top performers is to engage with the material before lecture in order to see how the lecturer presents the material and patch up any holes
+--- 15354110
+>>15350247
+God here, no math is not my language. My language is proto-semitic.
+--- 15354356
+This is the best calc book unironically 
+has the right combination of rigor, applications, examples and exercises
+--- 15354458
+>>15350601
+Based Spinozist
+--- 15354514
+>>15352035
+The proof of the first proposition of Euclid Elements have gaps and errors
+
+The early calculus was very useful despite being fully inconsistent at its core
+
+To preserve rigour computer programs are checking proofs, but these programs also have bugs
+--- 15355077
+>>15353165
+That coves the American way (which has long since forgotten Apostol). Now what do students in smart countries use?
+--- 15355087
+>>15355077
+They use WebAssign or khan academy, because it's not "smart" to use learning methods from the 20th century instead of adapting to modern technology
+--- 15355102
+>>15355087
+WebAssign is just middle where bullshit to make it easier for lesser men to teach and grade calculus. It's technology optimized to make money and target below average students. 
+
+What are students using in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Russia, Austria etc? I guess I'll include the UK since they still have 'OxBridge', but not sure if diversity has pushed them to Americentric methods.
+--- 15355106
+>>15355102
+*middleware.
+--- 15355115
+>>15355087
+It's the material not the medium that matters. Give the students Polya and Szego's Problems and Theorems in Analysis I/II in a series of tiktok videos, and suddenly it's better?
+--- 15355120
+>>15346458 (OP)
+Author is a faggot
+--- 15355140
+>>15353165
+>I'm not sure if Apostol ... have online platforms
+In the '90s, CalTech produced Project MATHEMATICS which he was a involved in. The use of animation to demonstrate calculus topics was revolutionary for its time. Peak Americana before the collapse into niggerdom really.
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpxWyJg4_1A&list=PL8_xPU5epJdchhIkbjCPJM7m2anGUq9JT&index=1 [Embed]
+--- 15355148
+>>15355102
+>What are students using in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Russia, Austria etc?
+Well, I can guarantee you this anon, they are not using 20th century English language textbooks.
+--- 15355155
+>>15355140
+Also for physics, and really closer to intro calculus there is "Mechanical Universe" and there's a corresponding textbook (or series?) if memory serves. 
+
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMmeAjQTXc&list=PL8_xPU5epJddRABXqJ5h5G0dk-XGtA5cZ&index=1 [Embed]
+--- 15355162
+>>15355148
+That's the line you draw. Just cut off everything pre 2000 and declare it useless? Fascinating view into the mindset of a retard.
+--- 15355165
+>>15354356
+
+nice I like it
+--- 15355180
+>>15352073
+>normalfags can’t learn in lectures, they have to literally go home and study for hours before they understand something
+So literally everyone but one or two people are normalfag.
+--- 15355186
+>>15355140
+
+Beautiful. Exactly what I was looking for
+--- 15355204
+>>15355186
+Check these out too. Calculus Revisited is a set of old video lectures from MIT taught by Herbert Gross. Black and white, but completely legible, and has a very affable instructor. There's another series by the same guy for multivariable. 
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFRWDuduuSw&list=PL3B08AE665AB9002A [Embed]
+--- 15356820
+>>15355140
+Yes, this is the late night public access type video
+I would get into. Educational and stimulating.
+--- 15356862
+>>15355140
+I really enjoyed this, it soothes my autism, thanks for sharing
+
+>>15355115
+>>15355162
+It's not about the year, or just being online, fucking tiktok videos wouldn't be very helpful
+
+It's about an integrated learning environment where you get multimedia examples and explanations, practice problems, and immediate feedback
+
+This is just as readily available as a digital etext, more available than a printed textbook. It's also more effective than a lecture format, if you are a truly driven turboautist you may be able to maintaim focus long enough to learn just as well from a textbook but the vast majority of students, even the smart ones don't have the attention span these days and you should be honest in yourself assessment and not let an inflated sense of your own intelligence push you into suboptimal learning strategies.
+
+In an honors class the instructor should be providing some additional focus on proofs and rigor, they'll usually just use the institution standard digital text and platform as the base.
+--- 15356914
+You have to be mentally disabled if you can't learn Calculus out of any ordinary book and rely on an internet platform with gazillion of examples. What even is an integral? Just a bunch of fucking sums, are you retarded? Do you NOT understand? Whats a derivative? Nigger its just a tangent and/or secant on a curve. If you are too stupid to understand this then any kind of fisherprice app wont help you anyway
+--- 15357181
+>>15356862
+>It's about an integrated learning environment where you get multimedia examples and explanations, practice problems, and immediate feedback
+
+yes this is what I was looking for. Thank you, I will go for Stewart and brilliant.
+--- 15357199
+>>15356862
+I probably fit the definition of turbo autist, but of course I can appreciate any good diagram or video which better explains a concept. The problem with these "integrated learning environments" is that they're very geared towards basics and the types of problems that can be graded by multiple choice. As soon as you move to more complicated mathematics, the web-based resources disappear, and it's back to just the textbook and perhaps a video lecture. 
+
+In my personal opinion, those types of things are geared towards profitability for the publisher, and make learning simple concepts far more drawn out than they need to be, to the extent that I think it gives the illusion of learning and progress -- a really good example of that is the DuoLingo app for learning languages.
+--- 15357248
+Stewart isn't necessarily bad and I would say not hated at all, but there are much better books. Courant, Apostol and Anton all have much more comprehensive and more rigorous books.
+--- 15357259
+>>15347360
+Stewart was gay for real.
+--- 15359123
+bump

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+-----
+--- 15347277
+Hold still edition
+
+Previous: >>15313759 →
+
+We discuss research, DO NOT offer advice (just fucking go see your doctor), make fun of premeds and shitpost.
+Keep vaccination/clamping/vitamin K/soliciting advice out of this thread and start your own because it takes a lot of space.
+--- 15347284
+>>15347277 (OP)
+First for fuck AI doomposters. 
+You have to be legit retarded to think that Doctors will get replaced any time soon
+--- 15347289
+>Keep vaccination/clamping/vitamin K/soliciting advice out of this thread and start your own because it takes a lot of space.
+how come the medical community is so dead set on willfully ignoring it's worst problems? no desire to improve at all? 
+whats the latest research on the ever increasing amount of avoidable deaths and injuries inflicted on patients by incompetent physicians? does the fact that this problem has been on the rise for the past quarter century suggest that physicians have been becoming increasingly greedy & amoral or does it show that their iq has been getting lower?
+--- 15347291
+Why don't we have this shit? The west is really missing out on some long-term IQ boosters.
+--- 15347297
+>>15347277 (OP)
+>have to give and receive periocular injections soon
+wake me up.
+--- 15347437
+>>15347284
+>First for fuck AI doomposters.
+literally just finished my shift and left a room full of ED doctors talking about how we're all getting replaced by AI lol
+--- 15347825
+>>15347437
+Yeah but we ain't
+--- 15347828
+>>15347825
+That's it boys, we've declared AI done.
+OpenAI just saw this comment and decided not to release GPT-6 after all.
+--- 15347898
+>>15347437
+so what? every midwit thinks le "AI" is going to take over, why not doctors?
+--- 15347909
+Got lucky with one MD professor at my uni who knows internal medicine like the back of his hand. All I want is to get into an internal medicine/infectious disease fellowship.
+--- 15348020
+what do you guys use for your notes and studying? what is your notes+studying setup?
+I only use word to write and read notes but i am looking to upgrade to something better
+--- 15348242
+>>15347898
+Cause we ain't midwits.
+--- 15348245
+>>15348242
+Of course
+--- 15348414
+>>15348245
+Thanks for noticing.
+--- 15348491
+Medbros, does taking antipsychotics will make my brain smaller and dumber?
+--- 15348559
+>>15348020
+a sketchbook so I can doodle shit on them while taking notes
+--- 15348563
+>>15347277 (OP)
+Caught a show on TV last night where they do plastic surgery on people while they're awake.
+--- 15348631
+>>15348563
+EZ with an epidural. Face procedures would be more difficult and may come up with the risk of nerve injury so general anesthesia is best.
+--- 15348643
+>>15348491
+You should avoid antipsychotics unless absolutely necessary for something like schizophrenia with harm command hallucinations. There are better mood stabilizers in bipolar and the benefits are probably not worth the risks in MDD.
+--- 15348652
+>>15348643
+With that sort of thinking, we won't be able to prescribe antipsychotics for sleep anymore. Just take more if you're still not sleeping enough.
+Wokeness has gone too far
+--- 15348658
+>>15347277 (OP)
+The TMDSAS data for this cycle shows the average Texas matriculate has a 3.89 GPA and a 513 MCAT (90th percentile). It's getting rough out there. A lot of current doctors would never have been accepted under these standards.
+--- 15348675
+To the anon yesterday who helped me, i stopped being a pussy and called intox line.
+They told me laundry powder isnt that toxic and that if I drank enough water to piss a lot I got it out of my system, stomach feels like shit though, what to do now? Considering half a spoon was ingested they first asked me if I was talking about a cup or half a cup, am I.
+Given my stomach feels odd, am i going to die or suffer organ damage?
+--- 15348691
+>>15347291
+>dopamine receptor antagonist
+>IQ booster
+Pick ONE (1). Outside of cholinergic and GLU enhancement, the only possibility this will enhance IQ is if it antagonizes only the autoreceptors which increases dopamine.
+--- 15348711
+>>15348675
+No, you're not going to die. At this point two different anons plus poison control have told you you'll be fine.
+You will, in fact, be fine. Stop eating detergent in the future.
+--- 15348713
+>>15348711
+I feel gassy and sharp pangs on sides and stomach though, I waited say an hour before drinking water once i realized
+--- 15348717
+>>15348713
+That's the finding out phase that comes after fucking around.
+Hopefully you learn from that.
+--- 15348725
+>>15348713
+Ever tried being less of a retard?
+--- 15348732
+>>15348725
+>>15348717
+Is this anon right though? >>>/vg/425850489
+--- 15348745
+>>15348732
+The cells lining the inside your mouth and throat get completely replaced on a roughly weekly basis.
+Yeah you might have killed a bunch of cells early. Maybe you'll get cancer at 81 and 11 months instead of 82.
+--- 15348803
+>>15348745
+But the sharp pain, are those my insides melting? Feel it up to my chest and lungs
+--- 15348808
+>>15348803
+Definitely your lungs melting. Maybe your central nervous system, also.
+--- 15349010
+>>15347284
+>>15347437
+With AI coming, is it too late to go into medicine if I won't be able to start med school for another 2-3 years? I wanted to go into surgery/ophthalmology, but I could see these more physical fields becoming extremely competitive if IM/EM/GM/derm/radiology/pathology all become displaced by AI. I could even see a lot of other nonsurgical specialties getting displaced too if both AI and mid-level scope creep are considered.
+--- 15349026
+>>15349010
+If you are this retarded, don't bother getting into it
+--- 15349067
+>>15349010
+yep, it's too late for you. I suggest being a full-time imageboard janitor
+--- 15349071
+>>15349010
+As a person in tech who follows AI very closely, I think things are going to move slower in medicine because of all the regulations, and people not tolerating any mistakes.
+
+The way it works today is that people do their work, and sometimes they ask GPT a question either to bounce some ideas off, or to answer a small thing.
+
+The goal for the next couple years is to flip that around.
+In a few years, we want people to collaborate with the bot to come up with a plan, then have the bot start doing 80% of the steps (all the tedious, boring, or easy to automate parts), and only consult the human when it's stuck on a small well-defined substep of the plan.
+So instead of you doing the work, and asking questions here and there, the bot will do the majority of the work at high speed while you watch, and it'll and ask you to intervene here and there to solve the small things it doesn't know how to do yet.
+
+Given that the current #1 trending code project is a hastily made first draft attempt to do just that (AutoGPT), at the current rate of progress we should have an actual working version less than 5 years from now. If it takes a full 10 years, that would be a surprise.
+
+But all in all, you're probably pretty safe in the medical field, compared to other people. It's possible we'll have the first fully autonomous bots way before regulators approve of bots making medical decisions.
+The fun part starts when the bot becomes able to earn money doing freelancer work on its own. Then it can start shell companies as one of the sub-steps of its plan, employ real people to build things in the real world. Then focus on growth, make your first million, fill in the blanks for what happens next.
+
+That might happen before AIs take your job, in which case there's nothing to worry about, since the world will be too different for your career choice to matter a single bit.
+--- 15349120
+>>15348020
+the lecture pdfs/ppts+microsoft notepad.
+if they make me draw pretty pictures of nerve pathways, then i use microsoft paint.
+--- 15349218
+>>15347277 (OP)
+I am 'bout to drink raw milk Kefir for my gut issues after the second ferment. Hope I won't catch GBS and die of meningitis, wish me luck.
+--- 15349481
+God it must suck being a pediatric gynecologist. Everyone must think you're a pedo.
+--- 15349530
+>>15349481
+That spec don't exist afaik. Pediatric population doen't have gynecological issues. 
+And if they are sexually active then they are treated by a regular gyno.
+--- 15349665
+>>15349530
+Anon, I think you might have just crushed his ambitions there. Very inconsiderate.
+--- 15349802
+I coughed a few days ago and decided to spit and I saw a bit of blood in my spit
+Three days later I'm in the shower and I decide to spit and there's blood in my spit but I didn't cough
+I had just eaten a lot of watermelon before each time and so I think the blood was just watermelon in my saliva, I have very thick saliva for some reason
+Is this kind of thing common? People panicking about symptoms but it's actually pretty innocuous?
+--- 15349804
+>>15349802
+You are fucked bro.
+--- 15349811
+>>15349071
+My question wasn't necessarily about AI outright replacing doctors, since as you mention it's a regulatory nightmare and a complex, multisensory diagnosis process for most specialties. Plus I imagine most patients would appreciate the physical interaction with a doctor and prefer having a highly educated human and AI working together on their case.
+
+My main concern is how AI might make human doctors (or PAs/NPs) significantly more efficient at their jobs to the point where fewer doctors would need to be hired in many specialties. Thinking about it a bit more though, it seems like this may not be the case. AI would certainly make human doctors *better* (e.g. by providing relevant info about a recent medical discovery or detecting a very subtle pattern), but since each doctor would still need to carefully evaluate and take accountability for any AI diagnosis/decision, it's hard to see AI actually cutting down on diagnostic time. 
+
+The one exception would be charting. It does seem like EHRs have already had a big impact here, and while AI would further speed up the process it doesn't seem like it'll be enough to displace jobs. If anything it would just make being a physician more enjoyable.
+
+I still wish there was a way I could speed up the process since I already have a degree and would rather not take chances, but alas completing the prereqs in 2-3 years seems like the best I can do.
+--- 15349833
+Why is caffeine so tasty?
+--- 15350013
+>>15348658
+I'm Asian and I still got into a Texas medical school. Work harder.
+--- 15350209
+>>15350013
+I'm a huwhite man and got in too, how difficult is it going to be in 5 more years?
+--- 15350236
+>>15347289
+>does the fact that this problem has been on the rise for the past quarter century suggest that physicians have been becoming increasingly greedy & amoral or does it show that their iq has been getting lower?
+both
+--- 15350284
+>>15350209
+>I'm a huwhite man and got in too
+Hope to see you this fall, bro. 
+>how difficult is it going to be in 5 more years?
+Well, if I wasn't a KHV, my kids probably wouldn't be able to make it.
+--- 15350311
+>>15350284
+Oh shit, you asked for 5 years. I don't think I would have been accepted into a Texas MD school. Would probably have to go to a Texas DO or out-of-state MD.
+--- 15350351
+>>15350284
+>Hope to see you this fall, bro.
+You too brudda
+--- 15350872
+>doctors recommend chiropractic and herbal medication
+Is this normal?
+--- 15350940
+What physical or mental illness if any can cause pleasure in the body? Usually topically in momentary impulses/twitches.
+--- 15350987
+>>15348020
+i simply use other peoples notes
+--- 15351000
+anons I'm studying anatomy(neuro and abdominopelvic cavity) and biochemistry(review of metabolic biochemistry and sistematic biochemistry so organs) and I study right after the lectures what we did that day, everyday. The weekend I try to review and repeat something I studied during the week. Is this a good way of studying? I'm in my 2nd year and the first year I studied evrything right before the exams, got good grades but I remember very little
+I study only from the profs notes because here this is what you need to pass the exam and get even the maximum grade but I'm worried about that not being sufficient. I'm autistic and I can study how much I want without feeling tired but also dont want to waste my time studying useless things
+--- 15351353
+>>15348658
+Go DO if you live in TX and have a shit GPA.
+--- 15351395
+>>15351353
+What is considered a shit GPA? Anything less than the average?
+--- 15351420
+>>15351395
+For TX, anything less than 3.6-3.7, you're going to have a hard time.
+--- 15352146
+https://twitter.com/Atheen_/status/1646882383973449728
+absolutely the most shocking media video on the internet today, watch until the end
+--- 15352349
+Musk is calling for the lifetime imprisonment of doctors and he owns the world's most influential media platform. 
+Whats it like being possibly the most hated and distrusted members of society? Are you proud of yourselves?
+If you think its bad now, its only going to get worse as Musk wields his tremendous influence against you. 
+This is all completely self inflicted by the medical community, ethics were thrown out the window chasing fast easy money and woke virtue signalling opportunities.
+--- 15352774
+K schizo.
+--- 15352840
+Saw this video today, alleged nerve pain and claiming multiple ERs refusing to treat her. 
+Anecdotally, when I had a sciatic nerve compression, it would have been physically impossible for me to make this much noise, it was painful just to talk. 
+Of course it went viral with people saying “Hospitals are so incompetent and won’t listen to patients! Sue them” 
+a person’s vital signs also give away fakery. 
+Have you ever seen someone who is experiencing genuine extreme direct nerve pain scream like this? 
+I say this is fraud, either for drugs or lawsuit. 
+https://streamable.com/zp2f6r
+--- 15353492
+>>15352349
+harsh
+--- 15353539
+>>15352349
+well yes, unscientific cult nonsense like “gender identity” has no place in medicine and it’s completely criminal to allow such a thing to be used as justification for any kind of procedure or treatment for minors. And actually also adults too because it’s being falsely presented as having some basis in science despite the fact that the concept of “gender identity” does not even remotely hold up to basic inquiry using the scientific method.
+--- 15354983
+>>15352840
+>women
+Women are 90% of the bullshit DX at pain medicine.
+--- 15355348
+>Yes Doc GPTstein I'll put compression stockings on this patient right away!
+--- 15355469
+>>15348020
+>Imagine going to lectures
+--- 15355717
+are there any papers on intrusive images from 1900-1977? give me all of them if you have links
+--- 15355945
+>>15355717
+apparently starting some years after 1970 there has been some papers but not really from 1900-1970 for some reason
+--- 15355976
+>>15350236
+percentage of doctors with penis envy increasing
+--- 15356055
+>>15355348
+it's over AIbros...
+--- 15356106
+musk on the warpath against doctors again
+https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647345410162450432
+--- 15356204
+>>15356106
+fascinating. can you write 7 paragraphs for me on why doctors are evil and should be culled en masse? i am enamored by your speeches
+--- 15356270
+>>15348658
+>implying a 3.89 today is the same as a 3.89 a decade ago
+Grade inflation is a bitch. It's literally impossible to get under a B- (as in, they don't even give those grades out) in most undergrad classes nowadays.
+--- 15356332
+How X-ray would have affect my benis energy? If I am getting daily exposure as a worker there?
+--- 15356353
+>>15356270
+>as in, they don't even give those grades out
+Where the fuck do people come up with these claims? There's literally the occasional dude in here asking if he can get into medical school with a GPA of like 3.3. The average student is just becoming more competitive as time passes on. You can see this with rising MCAT scores too.
+--- 15356392
+>>1535635
+>where the fuck do people come up with these claims?
+From looking at the grade distributions of the classes I took myself a few years ago, dingus. Just flipping through my biochemistry courses, like 70-80% of people get B- or above. There are barely any Cs, but a few Ds and Fs from people who I assume literally never show up to class and just never even took the exams, so basically everyone who turns in work gets at least a B-. Essentially zero classes have actual bell curve distributions for grades. Also just look at the GPA requirements for Cum Laude at universities from year to year, you can literally track the grade inflation over time as the cutoffs get higher and higher. Do you think that's because suddenly the entire student body got way smarter, or that they give out higher grades much more easily? Anecdotally, my professors even bitched about it. One of them said what I claimed almost verbatim about Stanford, that you can't get below a B.
+--- 15356416
+>>15356392
+>Do you think that's because suddenly the entire student body got way smarter, or that they give out higher grades much more easily?
+How old are you? One explanation would be with the Internet, the ease of accessing resources would certainly boost GPA and test scores. I even saw the other day that there is UWorld for the SATs now (I studied for the SATs using a test prep book back then).
+--- 15356695
+>>15356416
+How old are you? What are these alleged internet resources that are so vastly different from 2016 to now, roughly seven years? The cutoff for my alma mater for Cum Laude (so top 20% of the class) went from 3.6 to 3.8 in that time period. It's also a widely attested phenomenon that you can Google and find articles about, especially at the Ivy Lagues, I don't know why you're pushing back against it.
+--- 15356702
+Hey can more of ya'll donate stories to the /fph/ threads on /fit/?
+
+We'd all appreciate it.
+--- 15356732
+>>15356702
+gen surg seems fun
+--- 15356882
+>>15356270
+That's interesting. Most of my basic bio and chem classes have averages of 60% on exams, but I assume that'll go up in more advanced courses when all the "haven't decided" kids try something else
+--- 15356896
+>>15356270
+>grade inflation
+is there a bigger cope?
+--- 15356972
+>>15356702
+more medical greentexts please
+--- 15356985
+>>15353539
+yeah, but doctors can get money from the government for doing the procedures and the drug companies get paid too, so the scam will continue on forever.
+--- 15356994
+>>15350940
+What even could cause such a symptom? If it doesn't exist as a known symptom it just doesn't make any sense.
+--- 15357809
+I hear voices in my head that compliment me and tell me to do weird stuff. I've heard one of the voices order me to kill twice and when she speaks I have a feeling in my body of complement, like I have to do as she says. Do any of you know the biochemical reasons why I hear voices in my head? They are intrusive, I'm not actively thinking about it, it just happens. What is psychiatrist current understanding or theory regarding hearing voices?
+--- 15358023
+>>15357809
+sounds more worrisome and scary than weird
+
+I myself interested in intrusiveness in general
+--- 15358162
+I've been hearing conflicting things about away rotations/auditions for family. If you're a U.S.A. M.D. student trying to match to family med because you're selecting the location for non-career reasons (ie your hometown or couples match) is it in your best interest to do one, or do you only risk making a bad impression because the odds are already stacked in your favor?
+--- 15358197
+>>15348020
+Brother if you're in the US and studying for step exams, anki and uworld are all you need. Pen and paper for the occasional note when you're away from the computer. Pretty much everything else is gonna be too time consooming
+--- 15358214
+>>15356732
+I would legit be interested in applying to gen surg expect for all these stories highlighting what a shit lifestyle it is
+--- 15358315
+>>15358214
+Oh yeah I mean the hours and the call seem terrible. But actually draining a perianal abscess seems kinda fun
+--- 15358381
+>>15357809
+Several explanations have been proposed to explain self-recognition failures in schizophrenia and auditory hallucinations (see15 for an overview). One theory posits a dysfunction of the feed-forward model system, whose role consists in predicting the sensory consequences of one’s intended actions and inner speech.16–18 A dysfunction in this system is thought to result in incorrect sensorimotor predictions, and an ensuing failure to recognize self-generated thoughts and actions. 
+
+https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3406529/
+--- 15358393
+>>15357809
+But seriously there's one voice that's female and she is robotic. She orders me to do things and she issues the orders without any emotion. "I want you to kill BLANK or your mother will be raped and killed".
+
+Every time she speaks, that voice only I feel compelled, like I have to do as she says. I fell it in my body, I don't understand it. The other voices are nice and tell me that I'm a good person, that I should have hope and not give up.
+
+I hear musical instruments played sometimes and a demonic sounding voice screaming swear words.
+
+I'm not making this shit up, why the fuck does this happen?
+--- 15358403
+>>15358381
+They are loud thoughts, like I hear them in my head. It's hard to explain it. It's like someone narrating? 
+
+The voices don't bother me, sometimes I "jump" when I hear a loud random screaming swear word but other than that they don't bother me. They don't respond to me when I talk to them.
+--- 15358418
+>>15358393
+If you’re really experiencing harm command hallucinations you should probably seek help from a mental health professional. How long has this been going on?
+--- 15358434
+>>15358418
+Oh I am and I'm taking Risperidone. But I just wanted understanding of why this is happening. I'm not actively thinking about these things, I don't want to kill anyone, I'm not like that at all. I'm not suicidal (I love life) and I don't hate anyone. I just don't understand why I'm being told to "I want you to kill all niggers" and yes that's her words not mine. No I don't have a deep rooted suppressed racist trait in me, I just take people as they are and don't judge. 
+
+I get feelings of comfort from the other voices that say nice things. It's really weird.
+--- 15358438
+>>15358434
+It's been happening since I was young. 
+
+I hear dead relatives talking as well sometimes which is comforting, I don't fear that or dislike that. and it doesn't stress me out.
+--- 15358440
+>>15358434
+Are you currently in any form of talk therapy? This might be helpful for working through the psychological meaning of your experiences. There are also peer support groups for people with psychotic disorders (kind of like AA). A prominent one is the hearing voices network.
+--- 15358442
+>>15347284
+>>15347437
+>>15349010
+You will still make a bunch of money doing something because the medical industry is such a fucking racket with such high bar to entry and total regulatory and corporate capture that it will always go on.
+You HAVE to be very highly paid or people won't listen to you.
+t. wife is a neurologist and read all contracts and listen to the stories all day
+--- 15358449
+>>15349071
+>we want people to collaborate with the bot to come up with a plan, then have the bot start doing 80% of the steps
+You are literally, as in actually literally, destroying people and creating hell on earth.
+
+Now if that is your goal, and I know it is to some of your type, you will fail but good luck to you.
+--- 15358455
+>>15358440
+I was diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder with Psychotic features.
+
+I won't lie to you, when I'm in a bad state I really struggle to interpret which version of reality is real. One reality is where I currently am and everything is as it is. The other is that everything is a construct, that I'm dead and I'm in hell, my soul is missing and I'm stuck here, I can't die, I've died multiple times but I just come back, I get taunted with images of my death over and over. That is a really hard thing to battle. My brain can tilt either way depending on how stressed I am or what events are happening. 
+
+Thank you for the hearing voices network I didn't know about that. I will engage with them, I'm considering going on a depot of risperidone to keep others happy, but the depot removes control from me. Currently I'm in control and I take the pills but with the depot that changes. It's a tough one to battle with.
+--- 15358506
+>>15356416
+>the internet boosts grade scores
+lmao
+--- 15358508
+>>15358455
+Interesting. Who recommended the depot? Your family or your doctor? There is some evidence from cohort studies in Finland that long acting injectables reduce mortality to a greater degree than oral agents in patients with schizophrenia. Whether this is applicable to your case I have no idea. But ultimately it should be your decision.
+--- 15358593
+>>15358508
+I've had the depot before but it doesn't work like it says it does. The drug peaks at random times, I could be walking along the street then suddenly feel intense fatigue. 
+
+That's what put me off being on the depot, the peaks and valleys of the drug.
+--- 15358663
+>>15358593
+Hm. Yeah if you've already had a bad experience with injectables and you take oral meds consistently idk what the point of going back on injectables would be
+--- 15358672
+>>15358455
+you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media.
+--- 15358876
+>>15348559
+>>15349120
+>>15350987
+>>15358197
+tbqh i expected all med students to be like that fag tryhard ali abdaal with all the productivity maximizing gimmicks.
+gives me slightly more hope knowing that not all medfags are retards tryharding their way into something beyond their cognitive abilities
+--- 15359099
+>>15356702
+>amongst healthcare proffessionals
+nursoids really can't help it
+--- 15359117
+>>15359099
+resentment of nursoids is a sign of insecurity
+--- 15359152
+>>15359117
+*human nature
+--- 15359206
+>>15351000
+You'll forget a majority of the details and a lot of the foundational subjects barely factor into a majority of clinical work. Whatever spec you'll end up in will usually require you to study a broader catalog of information than what you'll learn in medschool. It's not a bad idea to be thorough, but you cannot possibly know all that is to know in medicine, so focus on the subjects you're interested in and possibly want to get into later and divide the rest into exam filler and stuff you should actually memorize to not fuck up a patients treatment.
+--- 15359231
+>>15359117
+>I AM A PROFESSIONAL
+Save that kind of talk for your disappointed parents nursoid, no need to huff your own shit on an imageboard
+--- 15359252
+>>15359231
+I'm a medical student
+--- 15359262
+>>15348020
+Lecturio medical, anki, and an iPad + physical text books if they're not over $100
+--- 15360113
+Medicine anons, I think that my penis is dying. I don't want to have to ask redditors about this, they're too faggy. On the underside of my penis, at that midline ridge that comes up from the testicles to the head, it has darkened a lot to the point that it looks badly bruised or dead. It's just a dark line at first, extending upwards from the balls, but then at the base of the penis it expands outwards to form a sort of quarter-sized arrow-shaped shape, still really darkened, and then it narrows back out to a dark line again and continues up the shaft until it terminates under the head. There's no pain and it has been like this for about four months. Am I dying? Is my penis dying? I'm scared bros
+--- 15360167
+>>15360113
+stop jerking off
+--- 15360241
+>>15360167
+I've only been jerking off once a month for the past two years, and I haven't jerked off at all since the occurance of the darkening out of fear that I'd make it worse.
+--- 15360495
+>>15360241
+start jerking off?
+--- 15360553
+>>15360241
+NoFap destroys and claims another. KEK!

sci/15347459.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,252 @@
+-----
+--- 15347459
+Is abusing the peer review system to silence dissent equivalent to admitting that you have no rational basis to defend your point of view?
+--- 15347476
+Why are schizos so terrified of the concept of peer review?
+--- 15347537
+>>15347476
+Why schizos?
+1. It's a weak point that allows to subvert science with a couple of people.
+2. Scientists know there are things they are not allowed to write 
+3. Science worked just fine before it.
+--- 15347540
+>>15347476
+Why is it that the quality of scientific output drastically decreased beginning when peer review was implemented in the 1960s?
+--- 15347577
+>>15347476
+Why are hacks and gatekeepers so terrified to free access to information?
+--- 15347614
+>>15347540
+That is not when peer review was "implemented" it is when peer review was corporatized and opened up to corporate interests instead of purely academic ones, the problem is not about opening up your hypothesis for other people to review, it is in paywalling access to the information so that only a financially elite few can review your information and conclusions.
+--- 15347622
+>>15347577
+>Why are hacks and gatekeepers
+shills. youre talking to a shill
+--- 15347626
+>>15347537
+>>15347540
+>>15347577
+>>15347614
+>>15347622
+Someone should make a peer reviewed study of schizo behavior on this website
+--- 15347628
+>>15347626
+why not you? idle hands are the devils hands
+--- 15347629
+>>15347614
+>That is not when peer review was "implemented"
+It is.
+>>15347626
+You have a couple of people deciding what is or isn't right, which is an exact thing that shouldn't happen. I have no idea why you'd want to restrict it in this way. I have no idea what is so schizo about it.
+--- 15347631
+>>15347628
+I'd rather spend my time doing something enjoyable, like insulting schizos.
+
+>>15347629
+That's not how peer review works, schizo. No one is censoring your worthless ideas.
+--- 15347632
+>>15347459 (OP)
+No, and that assumption is an ad hominem attack. It is however an admission that you’re a neurotic with an unhealthy fear of opinions that challenge your worldview.
+--- 15347633
+>>15347629
+>It is.
+No it is not, Newton peer reviewed Kepler among many others and was the subject of peer review by Lagrange, Einstein, and all the scientists that came after Newton.
+--- 15347634
+>>15347631
+Science worked before the perr review, and became virtually worthless with peer review. What problem lead to its implementation that needed such a radical measure?
+
+Yes it is how it works. There is no scientific consensus anymore, it's what the reviewers decided is correct.
+--- 15347637
+>>15347633
+That isn't what "peer review" means, retard.
+--- 15347638
+>>15347634
+Are the reviewers in the room with you right now?
+--- 15347640
+>>15347638
+Why?
+--- 15347644
+>>15347634
+>There is no scientific consensus anymore, it's what the reviewers decided is correct.
+Scientific consensus has always been achieved through peer review.
+
+>>15347637
+Yes it does, as long as their have been collective institutions of education, the peers have been reviewing each other, you are attempting some retarded post modern semantic redefining of peer review that isn't accurate because you haven't even read the basic common knowledge information about the subject that has been common practice since the 16th century.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review
+--- 15347649
+>>15347644
+Not a valid argument. You pretend that people talk about something else than they obviously do.
+--- 15347658
+>>15347649
+No, I am talking about actual peer review as per the peer review encyclopedia entries and you are conflating post modern corporate gatekeeping of the peer review process that is mostly just your own headcanon and pretending it is the only possible means of peer review.
+--- 15347666
+>>15347658
+Nobody argues against scientists being allowed to contradict or criticize other scientists.
+You are either being intentionally obtuse, or you are a schizo yourself.
+--- 15347671
+>>15347662
+>>15347666
+I never said they did, I think you are confusing multiple different conversations because you have yet to master the anonymous mechanic, scientists contradicting, criticizing, and correct each other is peer review, your corporate bullshit is unnecessary, so quit trying to make out corporate gatekeeping peer review to be the only way it can be done, shill.
+--- 15347672
+>>15347640
+So that I can know whether or not you've taken your meds, schizo.
+--- 15347677
+>>15347632
+Zero self awareness lmao. What you just said is leagues closer to an ad hominem attack than pointing out that peer review loses credibility when you can lose your livelihood for wrongthink. Are you autistic?
+--- 15347690
+>>15347672
+And this is why jews had to be killed. The Germans had no other choice.
+--- 15347693
+>>15347671
+People obviously talk about the formal review process before a paper gets published. You are mentally ill.
+--- 15347698
+>>15347693
+You are the one who imagined the word published where it did not appear, schizo, scientists don't have to wait until anything is published to criticize each other which is exactly why your corporate nonsensical concept of peer review is retarded.
+--- 15347701
+>>15347690
+Those germans you admire also killed mentally ill schizos like you.
+--- 15347703
+>>15347672
+I know it is you shit eater. Ever wonder how I can find you in every thread?
+--- 15347706
+>>15347703
+That is an image of you talking to at least 5 different people, though.
+--- 15347707
+>>15347701
+They killed jews who were so retarded that the typical human's intelligence exceeds their own so vastly that they can't tell it from madness, and think they are the intelligent and sane ones.
+--- 15347712
+>>15347707
+Deranged trash
+--- 15347715
+>>15347712
+Why does everything a jew touches fail?
+Why couldn't jews understand european culture so much that they had to destroy it?
+
+>inb4 why did they win
+Guns take no intellect to kill, and they killed anyone responsible for keeping order.
+--- 15347719
+>>15347715
+>In July 1933, the "Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring" prescribed compulsory sterilisation for people with conditions thought to be hereditary, such as schizophrenia
+Lol. Your precious hitler daddy would love to cut off your balls.
+--- 15347725
+>>15347706
+you eat 5 different people's shit? impressive, very nice
+--- 15347726
+>>15347719
+Why did you have to hire the Nazis to get you to the Moon?
+Why do you engage in excrutiatingly elaborate discussions of things that are utterly trivial, and can't understand relatively basic things at all, like don't cause trouble to otger people or steal their things, or you will feel the consequences?
+
+
+Why does everything turn ito shit, ESPECIALLY those things the jews love to brag about?
+--- 15347729
+>>15347719
+The way schizophrenia was described at those times matches your beloved normie NPC.
+--- 15347730
+>>15347725
+I was one of the people shitting on you, you were the one eating every else's shit, then posting pictures of it and celebrating eating their shit for weeks going on months now.
+--- 15347737
+>>15347726
+>>15347729
+h*tler's coming to take your balls, schizos! snip snip!
+--- 15347743
+>>15347737
+do you really think saying shit like this is going to affect anyone
+--- 15347747
+>>15347743
+You wouldn't reply like this if it didn't affect you :)
+--- 15347751
+>>15347737
+>Hear voices in their head. The voice took their thought over. They can only think through their voice. Hear voices in random noises.
+>School knowledge preserved. Can do math, point cities ob a map. Extremely impaired capacity to deal with novel situations.
+>Unreasonable obedience. They were told it must be done, so it must be done, in spite of discomfort or pain.
+>No interest in their family or the neghborhood, yet ape and adopt phrases of those who happen to be around.
+>Act randomly without a rational reason, and canxt be stopped from doing so. 
+>Inpaired perception, cannot use what is seen or heard, yet obviously able to see when questioned.
+>Speech stereotyped and slips into nonsense and irrelevancy.
+--- 15347752
+>>15347747
+congrats, hopefully you can sleep easy now
+--- 15347819
+>>15347701
+technically true considering ashkenazi jews have 40% higher rates of developing schizophrenia due to their long, sordid history of inbreeding and other dysgenic practices like sucking the blood out of baby dick. mostly the inbreeding though
+--- 15348449
+>>15347730
+Yes I know you are the one person making meals of shit on this board
+--- 15348471
+Peer review just means science by consensus
+whoever sets the consensus sets the science.
+--- 15351451
+>>15348471
+>Peer review just means science by circlejerk
+fix'd
+--- 15352401
+>>15347819
+funny how female genital mutilation is a serious crime and circumcision is practically mandatory
+--- 15353514
+THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!!!!!
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=md6gekqjjVU [Embed]
+--- 15354664
+>>15347730
+https://theendofziondotcom1.wordpress.com/the-fecal-fixation-of-the-chosen-ones/
+--- 15354701
+>>15347677
+Yes, as it happens abusing a system to censor views you don’t like is indeed a sign of neuroticism. Neck yourself, tranny.
+--- 15354715
+>>15347476
+Because then they would have to face the fact that there's only two genders.
+--- 15354738
+>>15347712
+not an argument
+--- 15354831
+>>15347459 (OP)
+--- 15354853
+>>15354831
+classic, some talentless loser inserts themselves as gatekeeper between people who have spent 8+ years studying a field.
+--- 15354883
+>>15347577
+Based
+--- 15354967
+>>15347459 (OP)
+the problem these days is no one gives a shit about peer review because there is no incentive to, so shit papers get published.
+also, thanks to the fucking shenanigans the medical field pulls to get their funding, the rest of science is made to suffer by being saddled with those lying pieces of shit.
+--- 15355129
+what's the actual solution to this problem?
+--- 15355470
+>>15347577
+baseado
+--- 15355704
+>>15347743
+>>15347726
+very based and insightful poster
+
+>>15347737
+>>15347747
+unintelligible basement dweller obsessed with inflated perception of having "high iq"
+--- 15355789
+>>15347459 (OP)
+yes
+--- 15355915
+>>15354967
+>no one gives a shit about peer review because there is no incentive to
+Don't we rather want to know how members are selected for clubs like those who develop dietary guidelines and how these members select the papers into consideration and how they apply the system for rating strength of evidence? That seems more important to me than peer-review.
+--- 15357256
+>>15354853
+political activism takes precedence over science for everyone who isn't capable of succeeding on the basis of their abilities as a scientist. its very common.
+--- 15357263
+>>15347537
+>Science worked just fine before it.
+go back to /pol/ you church boi nazi
+--- 15357275
+>>15357263
+keep crying
+--- 15357907
+>>15347476
+Einsteins miracle year in 1905 occurred without peer review. By the way I'm positive if peer review existed at the time einsteins papers would have been rejected given how hostile the experts were at the time.
+--- 15357911
+>>15347631
+>No one is censoring your worthless ideas.
+Yes yes I'm sure all physicists at MIT are reading vixra publications to learn different ideas.
+--- 15357916
+>>15347644
+Are you a habitual liar or do you just lack reading comprehension?
+>The first peer-reviewed publication might have been the Medical Essays and Observations published by the Royal Society of Edinburgh in 1731. The present-day peer-review system evolved from this 18th-century process,[17] began to involve external reviewers in the mid-19th-century,[18] and did not become commonplace until the mid-20th-century.[19]

sci/15348347.txt

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+-----
+--- 15348347
+Will there be 1,000,000 people living on the moon by 2050?
+--- 15348446
+That's in 27 years. No way
+--- 15348939
+>>15348347 (OP)
+maybe a thousand by 2050, but only if things continue to progress at a rapid clip, any setbacks and change that to "maybe a hundred by 2050". A million on the moon might come sometime next century. Early in the century? Late? Depends on the rate of progress and no setbacks.
+--- 15350222
+>>15348347 (OP)
+No. If we're lucky well have a few dozen people being rotated in and out on antarctic style research bases.
+--- 15350334
+>>15348446
+27 years ago Google, smart phones, and AI didn't exist. A lot can happen in that length of time.
+--- 15351335
+>>15348347 (OP)
+no we will not be building cities on the moon within our lifetimes. for the same reason we aren't building cities in Antarctica today.
+>>15350222
+this
+if we're extremely lucky there will be low 3 digit numbers of people by 2050. but it's also entirely possible that will be ~6 or just 0
+--- 15351385
+>>15348347 (OP)
+If we don't die before 2050, then yeah, why not.
+--- 15352022
+>>15350334
+>extrapolating
+--- 15352234
+Will there be 1,000,000 people living on Antarctica by 2050? And why would people rather be on the moon?
+--- 15352245
+>>15350334
+turing test software existed 27 years ago, so did cell phones & search engines.
+--- 15352323
+>>15352245
+Not to mention there was an economic reasons for these things to exist. There isn't any good motive for extra-terrestrial bases sans research. Which is why the only thing well see this century are research bases.
+--- 15352334
+there won't even be one person living on the moon by then
+--- 15352374
+>>15348347 (OP)
+not unless we can guarantee social justice there. if not, then why even bother?
+
+https://www.bitchute.com/video/aXekJRez6DoT/
+--- 15352381
+There wont even be people on temhe moon by 2100, and as the USA becomes more "diverse", watch as NASA's technological prowess collapses
+--- 15352890
+>>15352234
+Seeing Antarctica without the ice cap makes me want to do some world building. Or rather make a thread on /sci/ about doing a geophysical simulation of a planet, like how /an/ has a speculative evolution general.
+--- 15353223
+>>15352890
+nobody wants to see your soience fiction faggotry, use the /lit/ thread for your childish imagination games
+--- 15355265
+>>15348347 (OP)
+No
+
+Hopefully an american base and a chinese base, that's the best you'll have. Although maybe India may somehow manage to get there.
+--- 15355269
+>>15350334
+"AI" existed at least in the 1950s. Retard.
+--- 15356651
+>>15348347 (OP)
+Why wouldn’t there be?
+--- 15356802
+>>15352334
+I'm already living here
+--- 15359758
+>>15356651
+There's no real reason to have a moon base beyond research and exploration. Its not like there's any economic reason to bring a million people there.

sci/15348364.txt

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+-----
+--- 15348364
+Looking for some scientific means to visually picture translucent objects placed against/nearby each others and thus reflecting and refracting and creates the unique rendering of it
+
+Kinda like marbles or glass placed in a pool or any other similar variations
+
+I just a 3d diagram of sorts that can then teach me of how the lights then, bounces around itself, behind or through it
+
+Whatever than means i guess
+--- 15350703
+>>15348364 (OP)
+Caustics are super hard, even for computers.
+--- 15350731
+>>15350703
+Caustics is for water. What i mean is the surface refractions and reflections. 
+The pictureesque visual of the translucet objects... since lights bounces inside them.
+--- 15351639
+>>15348364 (OP)
+Blender would possibly work. There are many genuinely open source, free, or cheap models, if you really can't figure out how to use it. Of course there's very expensive proprietary software you can use as well for modeling.
+
+anyway there's no easy tool that I know about. You'd have to go down that rabbit hole of learning a lot, in general, about blender and its community and people's tools and plugins.
+--- 15351671
+>>15350731
+That's caustics as well.
+--- 15352943
+>>15351639
+Yea i guess u need 2d but people have been drawing these by default so whats the problem anyway...
+
+>>15351671
+Wait what? 
+No. No.caustics is the light that happens thru translucency. 
+
+What i am asking is the high lights on the objects...and maybe inner highlights. On the object. Not away. Geddit? Wait let me find example
+--- 15353307
+>>15351671
+What i mean is how light sources from a and b will cause the subject to be
+
+Or the socalled external subject, marked as N that is outside the object, and the effect it brings to the object that is marked N' here
+
+Whatever you call em
+If not just reflections and refractions
+--- 15353328
+>>15353307
+--- 15353344
+>>15353328
+Eh fuck it s wrong direction
+1
+--- 15353614
+>>15352943
+What you see in the OP pic is definitely caustics. Nobody has figured out an easy way, it's harder than full raytracing that you see in todays games.
+--- 15354742
+>>15350731
+Break your source rays down as a spectral density function, then apply your specular reflection and refraction matrices, and superpose the results at the interface. It's really not that hard, just very involved computationally.
+What you can't do is back-trace your rays like a normal ray-tracer would.
+--- 15356568
+>>15353614
+Again its not the caustics but the one INSIDE the object.
+>>15354742
+Can you REexplain this visually. In a diagram.
+--- 15357393
+>>15356568
+It's caustics both inside and outside. The lights on the wall in OP pic are caustics.
+--- 15357412
+>>15357393
+...i dont think so. Caustic is the light CASTED by the refractions.
+
+I guess i need to specify what i am having issue is simply the INSIDE of the object.
+
+Be it highlight or caustics, basically just the object on its own, and results of lights that bounces on it.
+
+Consider it like, just rendering the object and turning on skybox... if you catch my drift.
+
+Or well. Just the translucènt object on its own and predicting its colors according to its surrounding... which must be translucents too, mostly.
+--- 15357436
+thread closed

sci/15348949.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,162 @@
+-----
+--- 15348949
+AI training data comes from Reddit & Wikipedia
+--- 15348955
+>>15348949 (OP)
+No wonder it gives wrong answers with absolute confidence.
+--- 15348982
+What do they mean when they say parameter? Is it the number of theta coefficients in a linear model?
+--- 15349251
+>>15349046
+downvoted
+--- 15349417
+>>15349361
+she was potentially a moderator of the world news sub. I don't really see her as the partner of a billionaire with some lavish lifestyle flying around the world and also someone spending all day every day on Reddit farming for karma which is what the conspiracy claims
+--- 15349569
+>>15349046
+>ZOG
+>censored media outlets
+>propaganda tool
+>shilled
+None of these things are real. Touch grass. The real world is not what you see on the Internet.
+>the tribe
+What the fuck is this?
+--- 15349571
+>>15349569
+you are
+--- 15349588
+>>15349046
+>>15349361
+All major social centers on the web are compromised.
+--- 15349845
+>>15348955
+Yes, I've been thinking the reason ChatGPT never wants to admit it doesn't know something and tries bullshitting its way to an answer is trained behavior from your average internet user
+--- 15349903
+>>15349046
+>ZOG censored media outlets than that makes it a slanted propaganda tool
+Only realizing this now when it has so much potential?
+--- 15350232
+>>15348982
+yeah pretty much
+--- 15350238
+>>15348949 (OP)
+>AI that behaves like a mediocre humanities gradstudent was train of reddit and wikipedia
+Figures
+--- 15350251
+>>15349361
+what the fuck!!! I had no idea she was a gigaredditor
+--- 15350268
+>>15348949 (OP)
+can one of you stem chuds tell me if i get this right? All AI is just a webscraper that compiles data than makes sentences on the natural languages that appear most times on it?
+--- 15350271
+>>15349569
+i touched your girlfriends cervix with my 7.5" BWC. then i read some otto weininger and culture of critique to relax. take it easy man
+--- 15350272
+>>15350268
+You're right. It's a pattern recognition program that reproduces patterns based on keywords.
+--- 15350288
+>>15350272
+thanks science chud
+--- 15351466
+>>15350251
+maxwellhill is her account name, look it up. 
+its filled with the cringiest popsoi collection, is good popsoi aversion therapy to see popsoi in the context
+--- 15351522
+>>15350268
+>All AI is just a webscraper that compiles data than makes sentences on the natural languages that appear most times on it?
+IIRC it looks statistically for the each following word, so maybe not always what appears the most times, but also with respect to context, or some other factors.
+--- 15351847
+chatbot shillware is fake asf
+anyone still falling for the ruse is a chump
+--- 15352041
+>>15350268
+In short, these chatbots are trained on huge databases and burn through mountains of graphics cards in the process so they can tell you something that could have been gleamed by skimming through 
+>wikipedia 
+for 5 minutes. ChatGPT is a nice party trick but I really doubt its going to kill that many jobs, primarily because many of the jobs that it can replace are just sinecures for PMCs.
+--- 15352046
+>>15348949 (OP)
+That's true, anon. AI models like GPT-4 do use massive amounts of data from various sources, including Reddit and Wikipedia, to train their algorithms. But it's important to remember that these models aren't just limited to those sources; they also learn from a diverse range of texts like books, articles, and websites. While the training data can be a mixed bag of quality, AI models can still generate some pretty impressive responses. It's up to us as users to determine how reliable and useful the information provided is. As always, it's a good idea to double-check anything that seems too good (or too weird) to be true.So yeah, it's a bit of a wild ride, but that's what makes AI-generated content interesting, right?
+--- 15352074
+>>15348982
+Yes
+--- 15352077
+>>15350268
+This is correct
+--- 15352165
+>>15350232
+>>15352074
+So the final model is an equation with 100 billion coefficients. Damn, the matrix operations must take months to complete.
+--- 15352206
+>>15350251
+Really suspicious that jannie deleted the post you replied to
+--- 15352218
+>>15352206
+Why would they do it?
+--- 15352296
+>>15352046
+It's pretty interesting that AI generated text is so easily recognizable.
+--- 15353561
+>>15352046
+why do they choose to only take data from heavily censored, and badly slanted outlets?
+--- 15353703
+>>15353561
+>heavily censored.
+lol if only.
+
+>badly slanted outlets?
+anon everything has a fucking slant to it.
+--- 15353801
+>>15352041
+wikipedia doesn't have the smut these chatbots can create
+--- 15354673
+>>15351466
+All the same stuff she shilled on Reddit was shilled here too and the soiboys all ate it up and loved it and begged for more,
+--- 15354788
+>>15349588
+>Who is this 4chan guy xD
+You can just tell he writes that meme at every opportunity and still thinks he's hilarious nearly a decade later
+--- 15354995
+>>15352296
+There are certain keywords that expose it right away 
+>But it's important to remember
+>Diverse
+>using Commas
+>It's up to us 
+And than the kicker
+>It's a good idea to double check 
+All ai responses have a conditional at the end which says 
+>X is not a complete and maybe it's also Y which is why you shouldn't totally rely on the answer I have given 
+Which I assume is some legal shit that was added so people don't go
+>BUT THE AI TOLD ME TO DO IT 
+and sue Microshit
+--- 15355052
+>>15348949 (OP)
+>Undisclosed
+So stolen data?
+--- 15355195
+>>15354995
+insightful post
+--- 15356023
+>>15349845
+I've been thinking the same. However, with progress in theory-of-mind ability, I think it might be possible to have LLMs go through all the data they have and generate possible motivations for posts. Then with posts annotated with possible justifications including knowledge the poster must be internally recalling to the poster being a fucking retard, LLMs could use the justifications to look for sources, and either find the citations or label the post as retarded and correct it. Then the new model could be trained on the corrected data.
+--- 15356029
+>>15350268
+AI research is many things at the moment, one of which is a fantastically expensive exercise in proving our discourse and society is extremely retarded.
+--- 15356048
+>>15351522
+Statistically isn't the right word, because you could actually do that for a lot less compute. A more reasonable simplification is that it uses a massive computer that in principle should be capable of solving a problem with the right program, but rather than develop the program traditionally, the program is bruteforced until it seems to do something useful.
+--- 15356250
+>>15348949 (OP)
+>still leaving your training data around
+protip, if you don't want your post history being used to train ai, just get perma banned sitewide and they'll delete your history for you and filter it out utterly so it doesn't "taint" their ai
+--- 15356907
+it's probably really good at recreational drugs and antifa apologia
+--- 15357170
+>>15350251
+--- 15357265
+>>15357170
+>4 people
+4 pedophiles, all hand picked by maxwell
+--- 15358611
+>>15357265
+On loan to her from the FBI's criminal informant program

sci/15349240.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,119 @@
+-----
+--- 15349240
+something doesn't add up here
+--- 15351555
+>>15349240 (OP)
+CO2 is actually one of the weaker greenhouse gasses iirc. H2O is a big one. That might make the difference.
+--- 15351785
+>>15349240 (OP)
+Mars does obviously experience a greenhouse effect, but it's much farther from the sun. Yes sun can influence climate. More than one factor can influence the climate. No this information isn't shocking to anyone who's not an imbecile.
+--- 15351799
+>>15351785
+>nasa
+soience shill organization run by and for political activists. if they say something is true then you know its a lie. 
+>adding 0.01% co2 to the atmosphere is going to increase the greenhouse effect by 10%
+only an idiot or someone who is ignorant of math & physics could believe that
+>graph starts in little ice age to help create the illusion of global warming
+errrry single time
+--- 15351809
+>>15351799
+This is the most low IQ way to be contrarian. 
+
+Climate change is probably occurring, but it's not going to be the end of the world, and the remedy is not reducing standards of living. We should build out advanced nuclear, develop hot rock geothermal energy, and fund further research into fusion power. With cheap and abundant clean energy a vast array of social, economic and environmental problems are solved.
+--- 15351834
+>>15349240 (OP)
+You don't even need to leave earth, just look at the past and understand causality (or lack thereof).
+
+Inb4 positive feedback, no it still doesn't negate causality.
+--- 15351840
+>>15351799
+>muh IPCC, muh nasa
+cope and sneed. Arrhenius was right
+>>15351809
+agreed. I will not eat the bugs. I will do my part by WFH and not buying hoards of cheap chinese shit.
+--- 15351881
+>>15351785
+Your graph is misleading.
+When did we start covering the planet with vast regions of concrete?
+--- 15351892
+>>15351834
+the graph seems to imply temperature drives co2 changes, no?
+--- 15351928
+>>15351892
+Not necessarily, it only implies a correlation, however temperature reacts quicker (to whatever outside metric) compared to carbon dioxide, which lags behind. 
+
+And then there's estimates about different periods of earth all together, like jurassic with +4°C average temperature but 100 (!!!!!!!11) times more co2, compared to today. It's crazy.
+--- 15352004
+>>15351555
+Water is indeed the most significant gas contributing to the greenhouse effect on Earth. Furthermore Earth's surface is largely covered in liquid water that traps a lot of heat.
+
+Also Mars is on the average roughly 1.524 times further from the sun, witch means it gets only around 43% of the solar irradiance that Earth gets
+--- 15352257
+>>15351928
+>like jurassic with +4°C average temperature but 100 (!!!!!!!11) times more co2, compared to today. It's crazy.
+believing that adding 0.01% co2 to the atmosphere will increase the greenhouse effect by 10% is whats crazy. you'd have to be very stupid or legitimately insane to believe in it.
+--- 15354620
+>>15352257
+or brainwashed by television and public school
+--- 15356751
+>>15351555
+>CO2 is actually one of the weaker greenhouse gasses iirc. 
+In that case, how is adding 0.01% more CO2 to atmospheric content supposed to increase the greenhouse effect by 10%?
+--- 15356760
+>>15352004
+Ban water! Save the planet! Make water illegal!
+--- 15357341
+>>15352004
+what % of our tiny greenhouse effect is due to water & what % co2?
+--- 15357378
+>>15349240 (OP)
+>Farther away with a much smaller atmospheric volume than earth
+No problem
+--- 15357573
+did you just ignore the literal first sentence where it said earth has about 60 times more atmosphere then mars?
+--- 15358601
+>>15357573
+Mars has over 20x more CO2 per unit surface area in it's atmosphere than Earth does. Mars also has no detectable greenhouse effect. CO2 is not a "greenhouse gas".
+--- 15358628
+>>15357341
+If you mean what effect does human production of steam into atmosphere do, it is nothing because steam in atmosphere quickly turns into rain, so there is never too much water in atmosphere. As for how much of the total greenhouse effect is caused by water or CO2, I cant find that, but along with methane it is probably enough to cause the tiny 1 degree Celsius shift over the past century. Reducing water in atmosphere to combat it is impossible because it requires enough water to rain, so the whole system is self correcting.
+
+Though keep in mind this is not my area of expertise, I just know about it slightly more then the politicians in that other thread saying CO2 concentration in the air is around 5 percent
+--- 15358635
+>>15358601
+>Mars also has no detectable greenhouse effect
+source on that?
+--- 15358650
+>>15358601
+if co2 is not a greenhouse gas then how much warmer would mars currently be if it was?
+--- 15358678
+>>15358635
+European space agency findings
+--- 15358687
+>>15358678
+link?
+--- 15358694
+>>15358650
+If "the soience" says that adding 0.01% more co2 to Earth's atmosphere causes a 10% increase in the greenhouse effect, or about 3ºC then Mars should be about 60ºC warmer if CO2 was a greenhouse gas, which it is not. 
+The surface temp on Mars is pretty much exactly what one would expect it to be on the basis of solar flux if the planet had no atmosphere at all.
+--- 15360324
+retards itt. mars has a stronger greenhouse effect, but less radiation reaches it so you're not amplifying as much heat. maybe an analogy will help you dunces. what's a larger value: 
+>10^(5)
+>3^(9)
+let a^(b) represent 
+>a is radiation reaching planet
+>b is amplification of radiation from greenhouse gas
+what? how can 3^(9) be less than 10^(5)?
+--- 15360337
+>>15360324
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_equilibrium_temperature
+--- 15360461
+>>15349240 (OP)
+Mars has almost no atmosphere at all.
+--- 15360484
+>>15360461
+Mars has over 20x more CO2 than Earth. If that counts as nothing the the CO2 we have here also counts as nothing. That planetary equilibrium temperature link is high school level physics, but its very accurate. Solar flux accounts for nearly all of the heat of both Mars & Earth, CO2 is a non factor in both cases.
+--- 15360487
+>>15360484
+>Mars has over 20x more CO2 than Earth.
+And virtually nothing else, the atmosphere is virtually nonexistent, so of course it's cold.

sci/15349364.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,206 @@
+-----
+--- 15349364
+Uhm, real number bros? I just figured something out and it's not looking good for us.
+
+Every proof is a finite string over a finite alphabet. Therefore, the set of all proofs is countable. There are uncountably many real numbers though. That means we cannot have a proof of existence for each real number.
+--- 15349478
+>>15349364 (OP)
+>Every proof is a finite string over a finite alphabet. Therefore, the set of all proofs is countable.
+
+Cool. Come up with a way to enumerate every proof, ie come up with a sequence or some other bijection between your list of proofs and the natural numbers.
+--- 15349482
+>>15349364 (OP)
+the set of all theorems of an axiomatic system with real numbers is uncountable..
+--- 15349823
+show me one, literally one, meaningful mathematical paper that doesn't need to use real numbers to save 20 pages of redundant and obviously intuitive information.
+
+If you cant do this, your entire identity and personality is based on a non-issue that no one really cares about and you should go back to your meaningless crackpot blog.
+--- 15351652
+>>15349364 (OP)
+Correct, we can't prove the existence of each real number individually.
+We can't even name each real number individually. There are some real numbers that we can't even refer to.
+But we can prove that the set of real numbers as a whole exists from the ZFC axioms, in particular, because of the power set axiom.
+You hear a lot about people rejecting the axiom of choice and pseuds rejecting the axiom of infinity, but not a lot of people question the power set axiom even though there are valid reasons to do so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impredicativity
+It's also perfectly valid imo to not worry about it because we can't even speak about the real numbers we can't even refer to.
+
+
+>>15349478
+Dude...
+
+small correction: The alphabet of first-order logic is actually (usually) not finite.
+There are usually countably many variable symbols (e.g. x_1, x_2, x_3, ...).
+
+Size of the alphabet = countable
+Size of proofs of length n <= product of n copies of the alphabet = finite product of countable sets = countable
+Size of proofs of any finite length = union of proofs of length n for all n <= countable union of countable sets = countable
+
+
+>>15349482
+If you're using a formal system with uncountably many symbols or that allow infinitely long statements, then I'm afraid you're retarded.
+--- 15351744
+>>15349823
+Most of combinatorics and a non-trivial portion of algebra only deals with finite sets.
+--- 15352099
+>>15351652
+>There are some real numbers that we can't even refer to
+For example? Like neighborhood of infinity schizo numbers?
+--- 15352114
+>>15349364 (OP)
+>mfw there is no actual definition of what an infinite set is
+>the definition of "real" numbers is based on infinite sets
+Did we get too cocky mathbros???
+--- 15352161
+>>15352114
+There is no definition of set. This is the ultimate midwit filter. Only naive set theory Chads are winning at math while midwits get caught in language games.
+--- 15352187
+>>15349364 (OP)
+[math]\forall x \in \mathbb{R}, ~x~\mathrm{exists}[/math]
+
+thats only like 10 letters long
+--- 15352190
+>>15349823
+This apu is high quality, I'm saving it for personal and recreational use.
+--- 15352191
+>>15349364 (OP)
+Some proofs are extremely long (see: Fermat's Last Theorem). I always wondered if there are some things that can't be proven/disproven in practice, because the minimum length of proof is infinite.
+--- 15352219
+>>15352190
+All yours my friend
+--- 15352231
+>>15352187
+That's not a proof and it's wrong. Existence is not a property.
+--- 15352240
+>>15352191
+I think Kolmogorov's complexity might have something to do with it
+--- 15352248
+>>15352191
+>I always wondered if there are some things that can't be proven/disproven in practice, because the minimum length of proof is infinite.
+The hard problem of consciousness is an example.
+--- 15352266
+>>15352099
+You do realize that to give you a specific example of a real number that I can't refer to, I would have refer to that specific real number.
+When I mean "can't refer to" I really mean "can't refer to".
+There are only countably many English sentences but there are uncountably many real numbers.
+Even if I try to use other languages, there are more real numbers than possible 4chan replies (as long as the length if finite).
+Even if I add an image to my reply, there are more real numbers than possible 2 dimensional pixel colour configurations (as long as the size/resolution of the monitor is finite and each pixel can only be one of finitely many colours).
+
+Theoretically, we'll only ever be able to talk about countably many out of the potentially uncountable real numbers.
+Practically, we'll only ever talk about finitely many out of the potentially uncountable real numbers.
+So by all means, reject the power set axiom and replace it with a constructivist version (or don't replace it at all for all I care).
+You'll still (theoretically/practically) be able to prove the existence of any of the countably many (theoretically/practically) describable real number.
+--- 15352295
+>>15352266
+Oh, I see what you mean. You mean "can't refer to" in the sense that, for example, no matter how many digits of pi you write out, there are infinitely many numbers that start with the same digits, some (most) of which can't be uniquely expressed with a finite amount of digits, either. Doesn't that mean that in some ways most of those numbers only exist in an abstract sense because of physical limitations?
+--- 15352338
+>>15349364 (OP)
+Sure you can.
+Between any two irrationals is a rational.
+Between any two rationals is an irrational.
+You can count the rationals.
+Build a proof from there.
+--- 15352392
+>>15352295
+> in the sense that, for example, no matter how many digits of pi you write out, there are infinitely many numbers that start with the same digits, some (most) of which can't be uniquely expressed with a finite amount of digits, either
+Yeah, kinda similar to that, but a bit stronger.
+For example, I can describe some infinite sequences of digits by describing an algorithm that can calculate any given digit (if given enough time).
+I could use https://stackoverflow.com/a/5187974 as the definition of the square root of 2.
+I could define the square root of 2 as the algorithm itself (as opposed to the result of the algorithm).
+It's a finite description that uniquely identifies the real number "square root of 2".
+But again, there's only countably many finite strings of characters, so there's only countably many algorithms, so I can only define countably many real numbers that way.
+So even if I allow these kinds of definitions, there's some real numbers I can't define.
+
+> Doesn't that mean that in some ways most of those numbers only exist in an abstract sense because of physical limitations?
+They only exist in an abstract sense because of theoretical language limitations.
+I think that any written language that has any chance of being practical has to consists of only finite sequences of finitely many characters. This forces the set of sentences to be countable.
+If you care about physical limitations, then it's even worse, there are only finitely many numbers.
+--- 15352408
+>>15352392
+>If you care about physical limitations, then it's even worse, there are only finitely many numbers.
+By abstract I didn't mean they're not, uh, real, but instead only exist in a platonic way.
+In any case, thanks for your time.
+--- 15352475
+>>15349364 (OP)
+You don't need a proof for every real number. You, one, can count, and two, use something like induction and functions.
+--- 15352478
+>>15352475
+I don't think anon can
+--- 15352572
+>>15352475
+>You don't need a proof for every real number.
+Because the whole thing is nonsensical
+>use something like induction and functions.
+Based on infinite sets, therefore invalid
+--- 15352790
+Gödel's Incompleteness theorem, anyone?
+--- 15352798
+>>15352790
+Worthless college kiddy trash spergs out of nowhere and screams
+"GoDeL InComPleTnESs AHHHHHHH I'MG GOING INSANNENENENENEEE AHHHHHHH"
+
+Stop discussing mathematics and gtfo this thread worthless piece of shit
+--- 15352829
+>>15352798
+? 
+You seem terminally online sir, redeem your anger sir.
+--- 15352842
+>>15352798
+>being this butthurt because someone mentions a theorem
+Lmao kid, calm down
+--- 15352861
+>>15352842
+Because a worthless schizo like you doesn't even understands the theorem, DO YOUR HOMEWORK worthless talentless piece of shit and don't even argue!
+--- 15353898
+>>15352861
+>look mom I'm projecting
+--- 15354411
+Real numbers are actually the imaginary ones ironically. True numbers are discrete. You have one apple or two apples. You have one half of an apple or one third. Shit you could make up a label you have a pi apple. Once you slap a label on it that is a discrete thing the letter is part of an alphabet which is a set of discrete elements. Real numbers are a nice abstraction but many brainlets try to use it as a way of pretending the universe couldn't have had a totally different set of rules more in line with a simulation. Because muh continuous vs discrete so lame. You can't label or look at a continuous thing at a deep level only a high level and at the high level it is still defined by discrete things like f(x) = mx. The formula is itself a discrete representation of a line.
+--- 15354419
+>>15354411
+>math with apples
+Brainlet
+--- 15354448
+>>15354419
+It is more grounded in reality and the real source of the concept of a number. Stuff in the world like an apple.
+--- 15354506
+>>15352790
+>Gödel's Incompleteness theorem, anyone?
+literally unrelated, fucking brainlet popsci nigger
+--- 15355598
+>>15351744
+ok but what about math past the 12th century?
+--- 15355616
+>>15352191
+>I always wondered if there are some things that can't be proven/disproven in practice, because the minimum length of proof is infinite.
+thats the entire point of halting problem, godels theorem, etc. infinite proof is a contradiction. Thats just another way to say there is no proof.
+--- 15356194
+>>15355598
+are you for real?
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatorics#History:
+"In the second half of the 20th century, combinatorics enjoyed a rapid growth, which led to establishment of dozens of new journals and conferences in the subject."
+--- 15356459
+>>15356440
+--- 15356461
+>>15356440
+>>15356459
+--- 15357099
+>>15356440
+>>15356459
+>>15356461
+Thanks, I'm stealing these.
+--- 15357130
+LaTeX nonsense
+--- 15357168
+Traditional Chinese Alphabet be like:
+>c
+--- 15357175
+>>15351652
+> If you're using a formal system with uncountably many symbols or that allow infinitely long statements, then I'm afraid you're retarded.
+
+Traditional Chinese Alphabet: >:c
+--- 15357620
+What about infinite proofs?
+--- 15358133
+>>15357620
+Then you have to get into the philosophy of mathematics, because it becomes important to understand what a proof is.
+
+If you understand a proof as a way of convincing another person, the requirement to read or understand an infinite "proof" seems to disqualify them.

sci/15349846.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,834 @@
+-----
+--- 15349846
+Security Clearance Granted Edition
+
+Previously >>15325682 →
+
+This thread exists to ask questions regarding careers associated to STEM.
+>Discussion on academia based career progression
+>Discussion on penetrating industry from academia
+>Or anything in relation to STEM employment or development within STEM academia!
+
+Resources for protecting yourself from academic marxists:
+>https://www.thefire.org/ (US)
+>https://www.jccf.ca/ (Canada)
+
+Information resource:
+>https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/
+>*The Chad author is seeking additional input to diversify the content into containing all STEM fields. Said author regularly views these /scg/ threads.
+
+No anons have answered your question? Perhaps try posting it here: >https://academia.stackexchange.com/
+
+An archive of all the previous editions of /scg/:
+>>>>>>>https://warosu.org/sci/
+--- 15349879
+>>15349846 (OP)
+Some random anons here are giving out better advice than my college advisors. Well, it sounds like better advice, at least.
+--- 15350225
+>>15349879
+Yeah these threads are good
+--- 15350252
+>>15349879
+Factually correct but wrong conclusion. Those non thesis masters programs are perfect for someone who only wants to enter the industry without spending much on education.
+For non US citizens like me, it is a glorified work permit. And that's exactly how I used it. No regrets.
+--- 15350353
+>>15349879
+>that degree is a money mill for the department
+what are you suggesting here? it doesn't matter if a degree is a money mill, or if it's prestigious or not, what solely matters is if it's going to help you get the job you want. my degree was a "money mill" by these standards, but i make 6 figures in my dream field now so suck it
+>>15350252
+this
+--- 15350381
+>>15349846 (OP)
+Hi there! Keep up with the good work!
+
+Btw, I am an aspiring homeopath and I am trying to find a direct cure for sarcoma cancer. While anti-cancer miracle pills are dime-a-dozen, none of the homeopathic textbooks I own mentioned any specific remedies for brain cancer. 
+
+I however, have developed a thorough solution to this gap. Homeopathy rely one the "cures-like-cures" holistic approach in which the cures must show the similar symptoms to the existing diseases. This method takes advantage of the quantum entanglement theories spread around in modern science. After furiously scanning throw possible ingredients for a potential cancer cure, it occured to me that the best one, even for what should the terminal case, should require the constant reversal of death (of a person) and life (of the cancer cells), which leads me to antimatter, which is matter opposite to that ours in every aspect. The only place I know which may have harvested antimatter is at the CERN laboratory in Bern, Suisse.
+
+The problem is that CERN does not grant security clearances to aspiring homeopaths. I am looking for volunteers to help me infiltrate CERN to extract a small amount of antimatter to test what may be.my universal cancer cure! Do it for science!
+--- 15350457
+>>15349846 (OP)
+hey /sci/. is biomedical engineering a meme, and which fields are the best to major in?
+--- 15350485
+enrolled in physics uni
+what should I expect?
+--- 15350757
+>>15350381
+might want to make a separate thread for this lol
+--- 15350824
+>>15350485
+Particle memes, quantum memeputing, incredibly boring astrophysics and 200 on the spectrum egotists who jerk themselves off about how "hard" physics is.
+
+Survive them and you have a comfy degree with plenty of opportunity and some decent career options (for stem).
+--- 15350868
+>>15350485
+look at course syllabus
+you will only learn very general physics theories without going to any application and specialization which can make you feel detached and eventually make you hate yourself
+
+best career
+>computer security
+--- 15350892
+what's the typical wait for a TS/SCI clearance, and why am i anxious about it despite having no red flags?
+--- 15351596
+What kind of jobs can you get with an undergrad in Math?
+--- 15351729
+The first information resource the topic presents is contradictory:
+
+>https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/#mozTocId701620
+
+On one hand, they say:
+
+>It is better to apply to an associate professor who is still just starting his career. You will be allowed to publish faster (and garner citations/attention while you work towards your Nature-tier cap). Many of my US collaborators are like this and they all have jobs at IBM and Google lined in their second year already.
+
+But on the other hand, they say:
+
+>It is important that the professor is experienced. One anon noted that:
+
+>>Go for experience profs who've had plenty of PhD students in the past. The single most important thing that determines your PhD experience is how good your supervisor is.
+
+>>My supervisor has been at his university for 30+ years, which means regular meetings, lab reports, and a structured plan for my PhD. Takes away so much anxiety to have someone know what they're doing. You don't want to flounder around for years with an incompetent supervisor not knowing wtf you're doing.
+
+Obviously there's a contradiction here. You can't have as a PhD tutor a guy who's at the same time an associate professor starting his career and a guy who had a lot of PhD students with 30+ years of experience.
+
+Noting this contradiction, which is better to choose as a PhD tutor then? A new professor or an established one?
+--- 15351755
+Imagine lacking the critical thinking skills to take in the pros and cons of each and decide which option is the better one for your own situation
+--- 15351829
+>>15351755
+The point for me is to do that + assess your answers and take them or not into account to make my decision you fucking retard
+--- 15351850
+I'm a maths grad from a mid-tier Scottish university and am currently doing a master's in quantitative finance. I know some Python but I have no internships or work experience. How fucked am I?
+--- 15351882
+>>15351850
+you're a faggot that jacks off to kiddie porn
+--- 15351891
+>>15351882
+>sees loli
+>immediately thinks about jacking off
+I think you're projecting here, anon.
+--- 15351912
+>>15351850
+What semester are you in?
+There's still time to land a summer internship, look up banks and any big company nearby.
+
+Also work on your python and learn SQL
+
+>>15351596
+Depends if it's pure math, applied math, statistics, etc.
+--- 15351919
+>>15351912
+>There's still time to land a summer internship
+I have to work on my master's dissertation over the summer so an internship is not possible. What's SQL like? I tried a little bit of it in some labs but the retarded teachers never actually taught us the language and just gave us generic facts about SQL and NoSQL databases.
+--- 15351952
+>>15351919
+SQL is baby shit, if you were able to learn some Python it will be much easier than that. Just get practice pulling/updating/inserting records and that’s all you really need. Anything complex regarding manipulating that data can be done with Python. Don’t brush it off though, it’s an essential skill for any job dealing with data.
+--- 15351973
+>>15349846 (OP)
+Anons... I really want a career that would serve the greater good. Like a doctor, but in STEM. The thought of slaving away at some corpo office creating a soulless product to help other people waste their precious lives on shit that doesn't matter makes me want to kms. I want to bring more good into this world.
+--- 15352034
+>>15351919
+Pretty much what the other anon said, given that you'll be dealing with finance people, it's a big plus to be able to fluently make SQL queries.
+
+SQL lets you query relational databases. You have some set of big tables with data in them and you write lines of code that retrieve the parts you want; rows, columns, etc. You don't need to know advanced stuff, things like concurrent transactions are rarely done directly in SQL these days, but you should be familiar with querying for the information that you want by joining tables on keys etc.
+
+>>15351973
+Biomedical engineering
+--- 15352089
+I thought about asking on my one and only favorite board /trv/, but I thought I'd ask you /sci/scg, because you cunts might be the most qualified to answer.
+
+Should I pursue medical school in a country that I hate? 
+
+I'm 20. No career, no children, and not even a girlfriend. A little bit behind the curve already by about 2 or 3 years, now I've lost even more time. I had no problems securing a spot in accounting / econ or math / actuary (no debt). My country requires an exam to choose a BS / MD. The hurdle is that for medicine a lot of people take a while to pass. It'd take me 1 or maybe 2 more years to secure a spot in medical school here. 
+
+It is something similar to the GAOKAO in China. A biased socialist test - to hell with it..
+
+Is medicine a major or study that translates well into a successful immigration? 
+
+When you scavenge the internet and look at international requirements to be a qualified GP or Specialist is even worse. 
+
+However, a medical degree from a developed country (e.g the UK) seems to make it pretty easy to immigrate wherever you'd like. Only problem is that places like Hong Kong require examinations in order for your degree to be recognised in a private international clinic / research.
+
+I've really liked biology before, read foreign literature like Campbell's and so on (and classical /lit/ too). But I am afraid I am romanticizing things here and the 'hay days' of medicine are long gone. Doctors now have to deal with lgbt and negroes for example. I don't think I could even treat these brazilian rats motherfuckers If I was doctor, so it would have to be research to get the fuck out of this country. But that's another long road to take I think. Many go into specialties that they don't even like and are basically self-enslaved to it - if they make it through the bloddy expensive examinations.
+
+Is it even worth to do medical school in a non-english speaking country? 
+
+Or should I take the gamble and go towards Math/Fin?
+--- 15352124
+>Be me, doing my finals for high school
+>where I live the only way to get into certain degrees is get good grades in high school
+>be a depressed fuck, don't study at all, don't do my homework, even miss most of my lessons since covid made them online and I could just play vidya instead
+>get average grades
+>my application for physics gets rejected and I end up in mechanical engineering
+>keep being a depressed fuck, slack off the whole first year of college
+>next year have to change college for economy reasons, have only passed 2 exams studying the day before
+>be so embarrassed that I don't tell them I have two exams passed, start from scratch
+>this time is even worse, in a whole year I pass 0 exams at all.
+>feel desperate, start working as a waiter
+>my mother urges me to try yet again, says she will break her bones working if I can do it
+>try yet another time, this time because of my grades I will get expelled if I don't pass at least 5 exams
+>work for the whole first semester and don't attend to class, I honestly have already given up
+>third year and I have no friends at uni, my hs friends all dropped out, I'm in only to not disappoint mom
+>jenuary mom gets ill
+>decide that I need to get that degree or I won't be able to help her with a shitty wageslave job
+>attend my first physics class in 3 years
+>holyshititsactuallyprettyinteresting.jpg
+>start attending all my morning classes while working in the afternoon
+>it's actually much easier than I thought, all you have to do is listen and take notes
+>by attending I get friends in uni
+>actually try to study to pass the exams and impress my new friends
+>first grades of partial exams (if I pass them all I don't have to go for the final exam of that subject)
+>Physics II: 10 best grade of my class
+>Autocad and Inventor: 10
+>Economy and management: 9.5 best grade of my class
+>Metallurgy: 6 (slacked off for this one but I passed it)
+Never give up anons, trying is all you need to do.
+--- 15352136
+>>15352124
+>gets filtered by intro physics
+stick to engineering pls.
+--- 15352141
+>>15352136
+I wasn't filtered by intro physics, I never got in at all because of my HS grades.
+Because of covid I didn't attend any class so they gave me the bare minimum to pass (since I actually passed the exams) but nothing more since homework is part of the grades here.
+--- 15352157
+>>15352141
+Unsuited students usually get filtered in grad school, only time will tell anon.
+--- 15352172
+>>15352157
+Oh, I was absolutely an unfit student when out of HS, I spent 2 years slacking off and I am now wageslaving. I'm just saying to anons that are in the situation I was in 6 months ago that just because you used to be unfit doesn't mean you have to be all your life,
+--- 15352263
+>>15352124
+>by attending i get friends in uni
+never happened for me...
+--- 15352264
+>>15349879
+best piece of wisdom i've heard on here is "if your grad program isn't paying your way it means they don't want you there"
+--- 15352309
+Peeps, I'm about to go to college and I wanted to know whether there's good jobs in the math/engineering department that would allow me to work from home and earn a above-average income, ty
+--- 15352326
+>>15352309
+yes
+--- 15352342
+>>15352309
+More so the engineering side. Stick with either mechanical, electrical, or computer/software. Civil is a trap.
+--- 15352351
+>>15352342
+If he wants remote then I'd steer away from mechanical and probably electrical too.
+--- 15352365
+>>15350485
+Change to some kind of engineering, applied math, or anything else that has good job prospects. You'll always be at a disadvantage with physics, especially if you don't have a PhD. I find the general opinion of this general on physics to be much too optimistic. Yeah, there are career "options" like data analyst, patent attourney, and consultant, but those are dominated by physicists because they have few alternatives. Nobody who studies a STEM field actually WANTS to do consulting or to become a patent attourney. If they did, they'd have studied some business bullshit or law. Everyone who disagrees is coping and contributes to the destruction of countless lives of every generation: those of the physics grads. I wish someone had told me about the horrible job prospects after graduation. Everyone in my cohort was completely naive, and this is on purpose, because professors need cheap labour.
+By all means, study physics, but only in conjunction with another field that has actual application in industry.
+--- 15352367
+>>15352365
+Getting an engineering degree or a masters with real world applications is not that hard after getting a degree in physics though, right?
+--- 15352376
+>>15352367
+It's still hard work, and you'll be exhausted after going through a whole physics degree. It also wastes years of your time. Most people don't finish their degree in the expected time. Imagine spending 6 - 8 years studying when you could have just studied engineering in the first place. You might not think about this while you're young, but starting late into the working life is a horrible feeling.
+Even if an engineering master's after a physics bsc gets you into good jobs, it would still have been better for you to just study engineering in the first place. If you know what you want to do as a career, there is no place for physics in your studies, simple as.
+Think about your career before choosing a field of study. I can guarantee you that not a single physics grad did.
+Rant over
+--- 15352440
+>>15352367
+Don't listen to >>15352376
+
+If you want to be a physicist understand that you will have to go for a PhD and you can switch to any engineering masters you want after a physics bachelors. Or midway because physics and engineering students 1st and 2nd semesters are almost identical.
+--- 15352441
+>>15351973
+>I really want a career that would serve the greater good. Like a doctor
+--- 15352465
+>>15352440
+Oh no, don't get me wrong, I'm already studying engineering, but I always got the impression the switch is much easier from physics to engineering than the other way around.
+--- 15352484
+>>15352124
+Good job, anon.
+Meanwhile i always get Top 3 grades, never disappointed my family, never skipped class, and i still get no friends or a cute, shy and autistically dedicated to studies GF.
+--- 15352573
+>>15352264
+The whole "getting into a PhD program then dropping when you fulfill the requirements to get a masters" thing is probably my only way of getting a masters. The tuition costs for a lot of the masters programs in even the mid-tier unis/colleges are still insane.
+--- 15352708
+>>15352441
+What they don't tell you on Reddit is that insurance covers 99% of that bill
+--- 15352854
+Is it too late/hopeless for a 30 y/o years out of college with no contacts to think about med school? Besides all the testing I thought one of the big requirements was getting letters of recommendation. How do you do that if you don't know anyone?
+--- 15352882
+>>15352440
+>>15352376
+>>15352367
+i did grad school in ECE and we had physics grads show up and they were totally clueless and dropped out. it's so arrogant to think because you studied physics you are automatically going to do well in another discipline. i'm not saying it can't be done but don't dunning-kruger yourself
+--- 15352886
+>>15352573
+haha i used to tell master's students to lie to the professors and tell them they planned on doing PhD. you'll get treated better. it's unethical though. anyway if you're only doing a masters there are tons of employers that will pay. do something like UF EDGE
+--- 15352889
+>>15352854
+just be black or a woman
+--- 15352962
+>>15352886
+Wait, there are companies that pay you to go to school?
+No one told me this, not even my college's career counselors who get paid at insane salaries and brag about their "ties to industry." Is there anyway to learn more about these types of employers?
+--- 15353011
+>>15352854
+What type of medicine are you looking for?
+You can be in the medical field without having to go to med school. There are jobs like x-ray technicians that still have decent income.
+--- 15353084
+>>15353011
+I'm a med tech in a clinical lab already and work somewhat closely with pathologists. Hematopathology seems interesting to me. I was wondering if it's even possible in my current position. The idea of looking at different types of data and piecing everything together to make a diagnosis seems interesting.
+--- 15353108
+>>15352962
+haha how old are you? you sound clueless. what school do you go to? you can go to grad school basically free in a lot of STEM fields, and most employers have some kind of paid tuition program. i'm assuming you're in the US
+--- 15353148
+>>15352962
+>jump: 34.5%
+fucking hell that's awful
+--- 15353160
+>>15353148
+one in three took physics 101 in their life to know which height to jump above from
+--- 15353166
+>>15353160
+As a matter of fact it is named terminal velocity for a reason
+--- 15353217
+>>15353166
+...not that reason, though
+--- 15353816
+>>15352342
+is civil that bad? if you check BLS, it has a higher % growth rate than ME/EE
+--- 15353826
+>>15352264
+what's a white straight guy to do if he comes from a family well-off enough to not get any free money, but not well-off enough to pay for all my tuition?
+--- 15353832
+>>15351729
+
+You know you can have multiple PhD supervisors right? One will be the lead one for sure, but there is absolutely nothing stopping you from publishing papers with your second guy without the oversight of the first guy. Both will need to have input on your thesis for sure, but best of both worlds here is viable.
+--- 15353835
+>>15352854
+Most doctors are happy to let you shadow them/be a scribe/etc if you express interest in wanting to go to med school or consider optometry school.
+--- 15353844
+>>15353826
+scholarships, internships, assistantships, and fellowships. all the ships. and remember they aren't going to audit your FAFSA
+--- 15353849
+>>15353844
+>>15353826
+>scholarships, internships, assistantships, and fellowships. all the ships. and remember they aren't going to audit your FAFSA
+FAFSA comment is more for undergrad. in grad school they will pay you regardless of income levels if you're in a legit STEM field
+--- 15353856
+>>15353849
+they give me loan options out the ass to cover 2x tuition, but i dont qualify for most scholarships in my field as a lot of them specify you need to be minority/woman and there aren't many of them anyway.
+fellowships pay like ass and it'd just be better to go get a real job instead.
+i'm just tanking it and hoping i can just pay it down quickly when i get out of school.
+--- 15353866
+>>15353856
+more like state lottery funded scholarships not the private ones. and yeah you don't make bank being a PhD student
+--- 15354023
+>>15351850
+Hello fellow britbro
+--- 15354028
+>>15351850
+you're right where you're supposed to be m8. a lot of people wanting to go into finance these days are secretly underdeveloped midwit codemonkeys.
+--- 15354098
+>>15350892
+1 year in the best case. But thanks to that stupid airforce fuck, every person involved with the process will be getting bitched at, and the people doing the investigations will just sit around for months or years to make it look like they're being extra careful now. The same thing happened with the OPM breach 7 years ago. Everything slowed down
+
+You're anxious b/c the failure to obtain a clearance can negatively effect you for life, if most of your employment options require it.
+
+You might as well sign a piece of paper that gives the govt permission to stick a hand up your ass, and if they don't like the smell they'll get you fired.
+--- 15354109
+>>15354028
+But he must have decent programming skills if he got admitted to a quantitative finance programme
+--- 15354183
+>>15354109
+Not necessarily, many just plod through excel their whole careers
+--- 15354858
+>>15354098
+>You might as well sign a piece of paper that gives the govt permission to stick a hand up your ass
+that's exactly what filling out SF-86 feels like
+--- 15355040
+>>15349846 (OP)
+Which one of you was this?
+--- 15355046
+>>15352465
+It’s not. Physics is a 4 year degree, ~120 credits. Engineering is technically a 5 year degree, ~135 credits. People get it done in 4 because they slam 18 credits a semester. Not to mention, you won’t be eligible for licensure with a physics degree.
+--- 15355096
+>>15355040
+Grad students need to learn
+--- 15355637
+>>15353108
+>how old are you
+Early 20s
+>what school do you go to
+local college owned by my city
+>you can go to grad school basically free in a lot of STEM fields
+Where or how do I know more about these employers that pay you to go to grad school? Sorry for my ignorance, I'm just learning about this now.
+--- 15355666
+>>15353148
+It's also surprising that gun suicides are only 82% lethal. I guess it's because of idiots aiming at the wrong area.
+--- 15355878
+>>15352365
+>>15352376
+Except a degree in engineering is not saving everyone anymore mate. You are fucking delusional. Do you have any friends going into IT or trying to become steel workers? Probably not, those are dead careers and that stuff was sent to china and india back when W was president. Chemistry is no different. Don’t think that our science is special or unique just because you like it or for any other reason, because it isn’t. I like chemistry and you seem to as well but the MBA’s running the show don’t feel that way, a scientist is just another employee and far less valuable than the salespeople who actually generate revenue. Bruce Roth discovered Lipitor, made billions for Pfizer and was laid off like a chump. You give a company a blockbuster and they give you a pink slip. You will be hired and fired according to the needs/want of the company’s balance sheets and stockholders. We don’t even need to get into the stiff competition for those jobs: either from experienced people in industry who were laid off but still have families to feed or from foreigners willing to work for peanuts. An MBA doesn’t know the difference between a guy who worked for EJ Corey and a guy from Nanjing University, except one of them is probably willing to accept a much lower salary… You finished a total synthesis of some giant molecule? Congrats, so did everyone else whose resumes are sitting in a stack on some HR person’s desk.There are no academic jobs and the golden age of pharma was long gone by the time you started elementary school. 5+ years of phd 2+ of post-doc, medschool? residency? haha, only to have to deal with the modern population of the great modern world, no fucking thanks.
+--- 15355881
+What can I do after I finish a PhD in physics?
+--- 15355895
+>>15355881
+Ponder the universe while smoking a cig
+--- 15355903
+>>15355878
+I'm not quite sure I understand what you're getting at. I didn't mention chemistry at all, and I'd say it's almost as bad as physics for job prospects. I don't know what degree will actually net you a job, but the natural sciences certainly aren't it. If I could start my life over, I'd just skip university and go for a sysadmin position.
+--- 15355938
+>>15355903
+I was just mentioning chem to make a correlation with your post who wasn't exactly all bad.
+
+You are just another fucking imbecile rat who doesn't understand anything.
+
+At lot of technology companies aren't profitable (yet) and rely on venture capital in order to survive.
+
+In a low interest rate environment such capital is all over the place and easy to get (basically the risk to potential return makes it worth doing).
+
+As interest rates climb this is no longer the case a lot of tech companies are finding it difficult to impossible to get additional funding, which means they are tightening up their operations to try to survive under the revenue they can currently produce.
+
+This has flow on impacts, a lot of companies receive money from other technology companies paying for licenses to their software, if those companies die, or have less employees that impacts the bottom line. Similarly with AWS, Azure, etc.
+
+Then you just have some really poor decisions in scaling and investment by some of the companies (like Meta) which have hit a lot of their reserves.
+
+So don't spout garbage like "hey just go to tech / engineering"
+--- 15355990
+>>15355938
+What's your solution then? What should you study if you want to have a job? Learn a trade? Genuine question because I don't see any job prospects for myself with my physics degree.
+--- 15356034
+>>15355990
+Semiconductor industry
+--- 15356037
+>>15355938
+I don't know man, where I live mechanical engineers get hired the moment they finish uni.
+When you talk about "tech companies" I feel like you are specifically talking about software startups, but that's not really what most engineering degrees specialize into.
+--- 15356071
+>>15356037
+>where I live mechanical engineers get hired the moment they finish uni.
+The exception, certainly not the rule.
+No one can guarantee you that the profession will be bearable on your day-to-day life either.
+I'm not trying to be rude at all, just stating something so people don't go believing blindly on this thread.
+--- 15356075
+Test
+--- 15356096
+>>15355637
+Wait, there are people who fund themselves through grad school in stem?
+--- 15356144
+>>15355881
+Depends on your specialism but generally: teaching, postdoc, finance/investment, engineering consulting, patent examiner, quantum computing startup, research scientist for intel/microsoft/other, research scientist at a research institution, some datasci and analyst jobs, sales for a scientific instruments company, be a civil servant, work in defence or space or intelligence.
+--- 15356147
+>>15350485
+more programming than you think, less information than you expect. you're gonna read books from 60 years ago and you're not gonna enjoy it.
+
+whether the degree is hard or not really depends where youre studying (both country and specific uni). I've had clowns here telling me it's an easy degree while I struggled, but they had 20 weekly hours at uni while I had 40+ (depending on the semester), at a top uni in my region.
+--- 15356206
+>>15356096
+Yeah, how dare I try to find ways to pay for an education.
+Are you brown by any chance? Hispanic?
+--- 15356246
+>>15356144
+Are there decent amounts of opportunities in those?
+--- 15356331
+What STEM field is better for this?
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztzq05IzYds&t=196s [Embed]
+--- 15356425
+>>15356331
+I know this sounds weird, but you won't find that vibe in STEM, most people there hate their job or could care less about it on a personal level. You have to join the ranks of Schwab, Bill Gates, etc. Basically, government and politics.
+--- 15356625
+My opinion about this might be naive, but I don't think it is right to tell every young person that visits /scg/ to drop their interest or dissuade them from pursuing university courses in subjects like physics, chemistry, biology, geology, pharmacy etc.
+If every undergrad in STEM decided to study computer science, mathematics or medicine, then what will happen of scientific advancement?
+--- 15356693
+>>15356625
+They should learn those topics outside of university if they are interested. There is simply not enough employment options involving those degrees. STEM fields are saturated enough. Use your STEM degree as a launching pad for non-STEM career.
+--- 15356818
+>>15356625
+>then what will happen of scientific advancement?
+Many issues with this sentiment of yours. First, /scg/ is not about what is best for the world, it's about what's best for the individuals looking to have careers in science. Currently the best advice is to not try to have a career in science. 
+
+Second, as anon said most STEM fields are oversaturated. It's not as if there's a shortage of graduates threatening to stop the scientific fields, quite the opposite. Having less people might even make things better for the people in these fields.
+
+Third, the vast majority of people with STEM degrees do not get jobs which really require or even benefit from their subject specialization. These people will not participate in any scientific advancement anyway. They will not apply their knowledge and will forget all of it. Even if these people wanted to participate in furthering our knowledge they will not be able to, for the most part. Even if you make it to academia you'll be forced to play politics and musical chairs which will almost entirely sideline you from actual science.
+
+Frankly, higher education is a scam in general. This is slowly but definitely dawning on the general populace. Having a degree will remain advantageous for some time because attitudes don't change overnight, so it is not entirely without value for the individual, but if we're being honest there is simply no need to have a physicist in a bank. I think it is disgusting that young people are led astray, lied to and shackled with debt. I will do my best to tell them my honest opinon, what they do with that is up to them.
+--- 15356868
+Is studying AI worth it? Or is fluid mechanics (eg hydrodynamics) a better choice? I don't want to do pure mathematics as I want to have a way out after my master's and a bunch of grad level algebraic topology classes prepare you for absolutely nothing while with applied maths you can always find real work.
+--- 15356875
+>>15356818
+>physicist in a bank
+I fucking hate these physics PhDs who take up valuable training, funding and research opportunities and then spend the rest of their career at an investment bank or something similar. Why get a physics PhD in the first place if you wanted to work at a bank or hedge fund. Same applies to other subjects too.
+
+I also hate people in STEM who do MBAs right/soon after graduating. Why did they do STEM then?
+--- 15356876
+>>15355637
+if you go for PhD you can get teaching or research assistantship with a professor. if you get a fellowship even better.
+if you go the employer route, basically an big company (or government org) will have something. pick a random big corporation, how about raytheon, then search raytheon tuition, this comes up
+https://www.rtx.com/news/2022/09/30/employee-scholar-program
+even shitty wagie jobs at walmart have tuition assistance
+https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/2021/07/27/walmart-to-pay-100-of-college-tuition-and-books-for-associates
+--- 15356888
+>>15356875
+>Why get a physics PhD in the first place if you wanted to work at a bank or hedge fund. Same applies to other subjects too.
+>I also hate people in STEM who do MBAs right/soon after graduating. Why did they do STEM then?
+Everything is more competitive nowadays. You're a hedge fund manager who's got two applications on the desk. One is a physics student the other has a meme business degree a literal middle schooler could have gotten. It's a no contest. Also the necessary stuff the latter has learned (eg valuation) can be learned by the former in a few hours.
+--- 15356930
+>>15356875
+It's not that straightforward. Again, the amount of physics PhDs that graduate is orders of magnitude greater than the amount of available physics research positions. And even of those positions the majority are complete dogshit postdoc-tier jobs. The vast majority of physics PhDs don't end up doing research in the long term not because they didn't want to but simply because they cannot (or are not willing to degrade themselves to poorly paid single-year contract jobs requiring moving every two years). Maybe some people never wanted to be in academia to begin with, but they are far from being the main issue at hand, if anything they are doing everyone else a favor.
+
+Your anger would make sense if there was a shortage of practicing physicists, but there is not. In fact getting a physics PhD and leveraging that to get a bank/hedge fund position is getting more use out of your degree than most will. No it doesn't make sense and yes it's a waste of everyone's time but at least it worked out for the grad in question.
+--- 15357035
+>>15356888
+>>15356930
+While I agree with these points, I will defend the other guy a little. The people who go on from Physics/Maths/Stats PhDs to hede funds or top tier banks usually have top tier degrees. We are talking MIT or similar. These are the kind of people who have enough intelligence (and advantages in life) that could easily land a top research position and if they submerged themselves into their pure physics/maths/stats work would likely have a very successful career with more than one significant breakthrough. Instead they end up having breakthroughs for hedge funds to make more money.
+
+However I think the fundamental issue is how universities are structured. The incentives are simply not aligned to attract ultra-high-achievers which is what would describe these top tier MIT grads. In finance you make as much money as you generate in value. In a university there are multiple layers of bureaucracy which decide what you will make. You could produce 2X the output and still receive the same compensation. It simply does not make sense for an ultra-high-achiever to limit themselves like this. However I, like many, am simply waiting for the current academic landscape to collapse due to the weight of its own inefficiencies. It just can't happen fast enough.
+--- 15357103
+>>15357035
+My melanated friend I did my physics undergergrad and PhD at Oxford, am currently a postdoc at Harvard and I am absolutely not even close to making it in research. It's the same for me as everyone else. The people around me filtered into consulting/patent law/coding and only a very tiny fraction into research or even technical positions. Again not because they wanted to (though some probably did) but mostly because they had no chance of making it in academia. I'm going to have to do the same because all I see ahead of me is infinite postdoc hell.
+
+I'm not going to be making it in a hedge fund either for that matter. That transition gets very difficult after a while and is most natural out of undergrad. Anyway seething about banks is kind of useless because it's not a particularly large sector for physics grad hiring. Yeah it does happen but way more go into the stuff I mentioned.
+--- 15357193
+why is it so hard to find entry-level EE jobs? wtf bros I thought EE was in high demand
+--- 15357227
+>>15357193
+STEM jobs are a total fabrication, they don't exist, nobody has them, anybody that says they have one is an actor, a malicious entity trying to deceive you into thinking these jobs exist so they can extract as much from you and your family's generational wealth as possible to expand and refine the algorithm
+--- 15357326
+>>15357103
+I don't know if this post is bait or things really are that bad in physics research these days.
+>>15356888
+Agreed. Perhaps the better question to ask is what the hedge fund manager studied/worked as to get to the position he has.
+>>15356930
+I agree that most postdoc positions pay poorly and academia has its own set of problems. Then wouldn't it be simpler to just reduce the number of available PhD positions to manageable numbers, such that those who do get a PhD are able to get good wages?
+>>15356930
+I agree. The people who could have led to some advancement in their scientific fields are now helping some rich old fart get even more rich. It is true that it is better for the individual, who receives much more money. But in the long term, it is a net loss for science. Imagine if the Gauss of today was influenced into working for an HFT firm rather into physics research.
+Btw, I don't really have anything against physicists. Just wanted to illustrate the point of people in STEM doing jobs unrelated to their degree, which is a global problem. The most simple solution would be to limit the number of positions, but that seems unlikely.
+--- 15357352
+>>15357035
+>However I, like many, am simply waiting for the current academic landscape to collapse due to the weight of its own inefficiencies. It just can't happen fast enough.
+what are your predictions for this?
+--- 15357443
+>>15356875
+>Why get a physics PhD in the first place if you wanted to work at a bank or hedge fund
+You misunderstand the situation. Physicists can't really choose where they work after a PhD. They tend to take whatever jobs they can get. There is no real market for physicists.
+--- 15357494
+>>15356625
+If they're passionate enough to be willing to take the risks involved then they wouldn't be here asking for advice.
+Also you're clearly under 18, why would geology or pharmacy be discouraged on scg? Get some fucking life experience before posting, faggot
+
+>>15356868
+Rule of thumb for degrees is AI < Machine Learning < Statistics (and Machine Learning). 
+But yeah applied math is the way to go. If you want to hedge your bets go for a Stats and ML type degree (different names in different universities, sometimes in the applied maths faculty sometimes in the compsci one, but you get the idea)
+--- 15357497
+>>15356868
+Employers don't care how applicable your degree is, they care how much of a brainlet filter it its. Pure math is the best if you want to make money.
+--- 15357501
+Hopefully I'll be finishing my pure math degree in a couple of years and I want to start exploring my options.
+
+Maybe something finance or tech related, but honestly don't know where to start looking. I want to start picking up the skills I'll need to have in order to get a job.
+
+The bad thing is that I'll be in my mid to late 30's when I finish (I changed careers). Europe based btw.
+
+Any advice? Thanks!
+--- 15357524
+Starting to regret changing field from physics to neuroscience for my PhD desu. I can't wrap my head around all these wet lab techniques and controlling for cofounding variables and statistical methods and the psychology way of doing things. Keeping my fingers crossed they'll let me switch to a supervisor that does more computational work.
+--- 15357526
+>>15357501
+Stats and coding. Some Python, SQL, and R would get you pretty far in finance and tech. Alternatively/additionally operations research, heuristics for optimization is a growing field.
+--- 15357574
+Stop doomposting you stupid fucks, you are making me insecrue about studying mechanical engineering
+--- 15357626
+>>15357574
+You'll be fine faggot, just don't be retarded and pass your courses
+--- 15357652
+I wish I had just gone for a comfy public servant position instead of going to university. I just want a safe job where I can chill.
+--- 15357849
+>>15356206
+European and everyone I know in grad school got funding through their workplace, university or a research institution. No need to self-fund
+--- 15357898
+>>15356246
+Plenty but keep in mind it depends on your specialism. Particle physics grads can struggle because their field is oversaturated and their skills are too far from industry and applied physics. That said they can still apply to the non-research jobs and the fields I listed are either experiencing a shortage of physics grads or have multiple hiring rounds a year. You don't even need to be that good for them.
+It may be anecdotal, but I keep track of PhDs I've worked with or who went to my institution and the only ones who struggled for employment were looking for a niche postdoc and unwilling to move state/country.
+--- 15357914
+>>15357326
+It's partially bait. Physics research is in a poor place generally but how bad really depends on which field and which country. Varies wildly.
+
+Universities can't reduce PhD numbers because their senior researchers lose so much time to teaching/admin, making the research output dominated by PhD contributions.
+--- 15357919
+>>15357652
+Use you uni degree to skip or fast track to higher up public servant positions. Can still be safe and chill
+--- 15357930
+>>15357919
+I haven't seen any positions as of yet where I could use my master's in thin film physics to land me a position. I'm in Germany, so things are probably different from the US situation. There are very specific requirements and degrees for any position, and most that can remotely use a physics degree require a PhD in a relevant field. I've thought about doing a 2 year apprenticeship for a low tier position, but I'm already in my late 20's so it'd be an uphill battle.
+--- 15357940
+>>15357494
+You don't know what you're talking about. Enjoy having a ratio of thousand software engineers and to one chemist/physicist/biologist in the future.
+--- 15357943
+>>15357930
+Understandable, that does sound more difficult. You might be able to leverage your degree for quick promotions but is unlikely
+--- 15357986
+>>15357035
+>However I think the fundamental issue is how universities are structured.
+The issue is that society is structured around capital.
+>>15357326
+>Agreed. Perhaps the better question to ask is what the hedge fund manager studied/worked as to get to the position he has.
+Probably ivy league business.
+--- 15358001
+>>15357940
+The current ratio is already 30:1, and codemonkeys are STILL more in demand. 
+It would be incredibly irresponsible to push indecisive people to study something that will give them much worse life prospects. 
+Therefore, you are a nigger and a faggot.
+--- 15358040
+>>15357494
+>Rule of thumb for degrees is AI < Machine Learning < Statistics (and Machine Learning).
+Ok thanks.
+>>15357497
+>Employers don't care how applicable your degree is, they care how much of a brainlet filter it its. Pure math is the best if you want to make money.
+What kind of employer are we talking about? If finance then maybe you're right. But if I want to find meaningful work applied math will take me further, no? I doubt any lab would hire a student with an Msc in Riemannian geometry.
+--- 15358080
+>>15358001
+>demand demand demand
+Completely missing the point I was trying to make. Don't regret when the scientific output of your country stalls when every eligible scientist decides to work as a software engineer etc. Btw this is already happening in many developing countries.
+--- 15358100
+>>15358080
+Your "point" is completely inconsequential.
+This is STEM CAREER GENERAL, the "country's scientific output" is completely irrelevant when giving advice to anons about their careers.
+--- 15358118
+But for reals, if after the engineering degree I get a masters degree the issue solves itself doesn't it?
+The problem is a lot of retards finish the 4 years and then try to find a job while completely unqualified to do anything
+--- 15358187
+>>15358080
+There are way more science PhDs than science research positions. If a country's research output is stalling it's because they haven't invested enough into making actual research jobs. More people getting a PhD won't help this, there's already enough willing to become scientists, they simply go elsewhere because there aren't enough science jobs.
+--- 15358217
+>>15358080
+I'd argue that the science output would grow if less people did a PhD. It's much easier to concentrate on your work if you don't have to constantly worry about your next years of employment.
+--- 15358244
+>>15357193
+only niche areas in any traditional engineering discipline are actually in demand, basic bitch generic EE or ME is never in demand
+--- 15358254
+>>15358118
+Companies don't actually care as much about technical skills as they care about soft skills and experience. They're probably just gonna vet you anyways.
+--- 15358271
+>>15358254
+>soft skills
+I can speak with people
+> experience
+My university makes us work in companies during last year and the last year project can actually be produced if financed so you can get out of uni with already something on your cv
+>They're probably just gonna vet you anyways
+I don't know what the fuck this means.
+--- 15358291
+>>15358271
+>I don't know what the fuck this means.
+They take you to a vet (animal doctor, cheaper than people doctor), do a basic health checkup, give you missing vaccinations and install a microchip.
+--- 15358297
+>>15358271
+vet (third-person singular simple present vets, present participle vetting, simple past and past participle vetted). To thoroughly check or investigate particularly with regard to providing formal approval.
+--- 15358309
+>>15358291
+Oh that makes sense, thanks
+--- 15358325
+>>15357574
+>mechanical engineering
+He fell for the ME meme.
+--- 15358362
+I need some advice. I am a physics major in America, need 5 classes left to graduate, in other words this semester plus 1 more class over the summer. I had been doing excellently in my classes until last semester where I collapsed randomly, unable to care seemingly. The semester was so bad it dropped me from a 3.8 GPA to a 3.26. I should note these were not in physics, as that semester I was taking philosophy electives mostly. I figured it was an aberration, but it happened again. Going strong until post-spring break I just could not seem to focus or do work. At this point my best case scenario is 2 Bs, 1 C, and 1 F. (granted, none of these are major's core classes -- I got an A in all of those (done with my physics requirements, now doing electives and stuff like state government)). More likely is 2 Fs and 2 Cs. 
+Most likely this is some mental stump, something akin to depression or burnout. I have been considering withdrawing for a semester, and continuing next Spring, and in the meantime getting a retail job or something and focusing on other side interests I have (such as learning languages, reading interesting books, learning math and CS stuff). Ultimately I want to finish my BS, and go for at least a masters. I would think 4 Ws looks better than two consecutive shitty semesters. The main thing standing in the way is the shame I would feel, mainly with respect to my parents as they have been so supporting (in addition to paying), and with high expectations. It more or less feels like a betrayal of their trust. Additionally, they live in Europe, and the plan had been that I would do my graduate school over there starting next year in the fall. I just feel terrible having to tell them this would have to be canceled, and that recently every time they asked me how things are going, and that I responded with "fine", it was a lie.
+--- 15358459
+>>15358362
+Getting some bad grades isn't the end of the world. It's a prominent part of your current life so it'll feel important but in time you'll see it's not worth getting all twisted up over. Setbacks are a part of life, and it might even be healthy to come to terms with not being all perfect all the time. That said, it's a good idea to try and get your shit together, not least because you'll restore your confidence.
+
+I would recommend not withdrawing unless you really can't avoid it. You'll just kick the can down a road and it'll be a lot of hassle for you. It's hard for me to articulate but things generally follow a certain path and once you stray from it you will feel out of place/sync and it'll take a bit of mental effort to get everything going again. And dropping out for a semester is probably more to explain than some crappy philosophy grades.
+--- 15358460
+>>15358362
+Damn sounds tuff.
+--- 15358461
+>>15358362
+How do you get an F in a non-STEM class? Literally impossible (unless you got politically incorrect or something). In any case stop feeling bad for yourself and finish your degree.
+--- 15358589
+>>15357526
+
+Cheers, I appreciate it. Could you expand a little bit more on that? Share any more details or ideas? Thanks.
+--- 15358727
+>>15358461
+I just could not be bothered to do any work. As for this semester, it is actually 3 STEM classes, and 1 meme class.
+>>15358459
+Right, so a realistic scenario is 2 Fs and 2 Cs at this point. That lowers me to below a 3.0 (hence filtering me out of graduate school). In addition, I will have to stay for next Fall, and possibly spring depending on whether they offer the classes I need to graduate (stat minor).
+--- 15358737
+>>15357914
+Don't know why you're saying my post is bait but it isn't. I really did go to those universities, and while there I of course got to know quite a lot of people with similar career aspirations. The people who got their own research groups at a university I could count with one hand. Partially that's of course affected by the fact that they're fairly early in their careers, but even so, the vast majority ended up getting out of science sooner or later. 
+
+There's another important aspect to this, which is that university name is not everything, especially at the research level. It does help in some ways, but it would be foolish to assume that someone from MIT is a godly genius and always better (in skills or prospects) than someone from Meme State University.
+
+t. >>15357103
+--- 15358748
+>>15358727
+Just do the work retard you are basically self sabotaging.
+--- 15358767
+>>15358727
+Can you not wothdraw on a class by class basis? Just withdraw from the ones you're going to fail and retake them in the summer, a 3 class summer load isn't too bad, a sub 3 GPA will effectively eliminate you from any graduate school that isn't a scam. 
+
+But isn't it past the withdraw deadline anyway?
+--- 15358773
+>>15358767
+It's not past the withdraw from the university deadline. I have no drops remaining (used them during COVID).
+--- 15358786
+>>15358727
+>>15358748
+>you are basically self sabotaging
+This. It sounds like you have some sort of transient self-esteem issue and this sometimes leads to self-harm (in your case, flunking your classes). You pity yourself then do some harm to yourself which leads you to pity yourself some more, etc. It's a quite common psychological phenomenon. The ideal way is to realize what it all is and simply stop doing the harm part while simultaneously picking yourself up. This may not be very popular on this board but perhaps try praying. Where in Europe are you from? This self-harm shit is quite popular amongst Easterners.
+--- 15358847
+>>15358786
+Britain.
+I won't dispute the self-sabotage claim, but in this case isn't it already done? Why is it less sabotage-y to withdraw and take another semester off, then returning while still having a mildly respectable GPA instead of the shitshow it's going to be after this semester?
+--- 15358856
+Are you happy with your career choice ?
+--- 15358863
+>>15358856
+I've realized happiness was never an option.
+--- 15358870
+>>15358847
+>the shitshow it's going to be after this semester
+How do you know it's going to be a shitshow after this semester? You gotta try your best to finish strong if you can't withdraw and see how you feel by the end of the current semester. How's your mental health anyway? Are you going out, do you have friends you hang out with? Depression is normally treated with SSRIs so you may want to see your school psych but as a good student you have no reason to be depressed imo.
+--- 15358874
+>>15357574
+Go electrical engineering or industrial engineering
+--- 15358895
+>>15352962
+>not even my college's career counselors
+Career counselors are to industry professionals as gym teachers are to pro athletes.
+Counselors are invariably stupid. They become counselors because they can't hack it anywhere else.
+--- 15358907
+>>15358874
+But I like physics and thermodynamics and motors and producing mechanical force....
+--- 15358919
+>>15358870
+>How do you know it's going to be a shitshow after this semester?
+Because I can calculate what my grade is right now, and take into account what is said in the syllabus (dropped HWs, curves etc.). When I said B B C F was the absolute _best_ case, it really is.
+>How's your mental health anyway? Are you going out, do you have friends you hang out with? Depression is normally treated with SSRIs so you may want to see your school psych but as a good student you have no reason to be depressed imo.
+Not too great, but nothing I haven't recovered from in the past. I don't have much of a social life, but I have always been a sort of autist-schizo. I have about 2 friends I hang out with on occasion, and acquaintances from classes and basketball courts.
+--- 15358987
+>>15358362
+It's fine anon, especially since you're (ostensibly) european, where it's normal to not finish "on time". No need to be ashamed as long as you complete it.
+
+>>15358856
+Yes, I can work remotely when I want and shitpost on company time
+
+>>15358589
+A lot of these overlap or go by different names, operations research scientist is sometimes just called data scientist for example. Or some jobs will be described as "systems engineer" but be primarily about optimization algorithms. 
+
+>Data Analyst & Data Scientist
+ Broad field and lots of overlap, but generally ranges from making dashboards with data visualizations to creating predictive models based on historical data. Python + SQL + Stats.
+
+>Actuary & Risk Analyst
+Not always the same, but similar enough. Basically using math to measure risk for insurance (typically) but also financial investments in general. Definitely want to brush up on statistics for this one, maybe some R too. Probably a good idea to take an economics/finance elective as well.
+
+>Optimization Engineer 
+Varies a lot and often goes by different names (e.g. Operations Research Scientist), ranges from algos and operations research to design optimization of structures/topologies etc. The guys I know in this field /adjacent fields use Java/Scala on the more software heavy side of things, but I don't know for sure what's most widely used.
+
+Banks and investment firms are a good place to look, but also aerospace and logistics companies. For Data Science/Analytics it's basically any company you want, everyone hires them these days or uses it as a catch-all term for a bunch of other positions.
+--- 15359009
+>>15358919
+>Because I can calculate what my grade is right now, and take into account what is said in the syllabus (dropped HWs, curves etc.). When I said B B C F was the absolute _best_ case, it really is.
+Ok can you withdraw? If yes then do it (for the two bad classes at least; if you feel like you can handle one or two classes that'd be nice and it would take some workload off of you in the next semesters). If you can't then do your best (obviously) and use the summer to work on yourself.
+>>15358987
+>It's fine anon, especially since you're (ostensibly) european, where it's normal to not finish "on time". No need to be ashamed as long as you complete it.
+Aren't bachelors 4 years in the US instead of the regular 3?
+--- 15359013
+>>15358987
+
+Thanks again, I know this is personal, but do you think it's worth to pick up the skills to aim for the highest paying kind of jobs? or do the long hours/stress make it not worth it in the end?
+
+I'd like to get a remote job down the line, but wouldn't mind moving again to a big city and put long hours for a while if the pay is right. Any opinions on this? Cheers.
+--- 15359015
+>>15359009
+>Aren't bachelors 4 years in the US instead of the regular 3?
+Yes, but they graduate high school a year before most Europeans do. So in Europe that 1st year of college becomes the last year of high school instead.
+
+What I was referring to was how many Europeans spend for example 4 years on a 3 year degree by taking gap years, internships, switching majors, etc.
+--- 15359033
+>>15359013
+It really depends anon, but salary and hours aside, it's still a good idea to pick up skills that give you the flexibility to choose. Opening up more career options for yourself doesn't hurt.
+--- 15359058
+>>15359015
+>Yes, but they graduate high school a year before most Europeans do.
+No, it's 18 afaik.
+>What I was referring to was how many Europeans spend for example 4 years on a 3 year degree by taking gap years, internships, switching majors, etc.
+Not sure about that. Switching majors is probably easier in the US (unis love it since you end up spending more). In public schools in Europe it would definitely be more of a hassle. As for gap years I don't know if they're that popular here.
+--- 15359102
+>>15359058
+19 in Scandinavia, Finland, and parts of Germany at least, where they have 3 year bachelors. Spain also does 18, but their bachelor degrees are 4 years. 
+And you're right it's easier to switch in the US, but that's why it's more socially acceptable to be delayed in your studies. Most of my peers spent 6-7 years on their bachelors and masters combined, either by being behind on their studies, taking gap years or switching programs.
+--- 15359169
+>>15352089
+Medicine is a meme in non 1st world countries because they're actually ran by cartels. If you manage to get in as a mediocre student the path ahead is going to be very difficult. It's an extra 5 years of school and because you're an immigrant without any connections, finding a residency spot will be hardest thing to do and it's a requirement to finish your degree. Resident doctors get paid less than min wage so you'll start your actual career in your early-mid 30s and will make less than a 23yo engineer straight out of college in your lifetime because of the extra school/debt you've compounded over the years.
+--- 15359177
+>>15357898
+How about nuclear physics?
+--- 15359272
+hello once i graduate from bachelor math what do?
+--- 15359324
+>>15359272
+See previous posts ITT
+--- 15359394
+>>15358987
+>>15359009
+Thanks guys. I will think about what was said.
+--- 15359453
+>>15359169
+Thanks man, I was under the same impression and feeling. Those cunts on the archives from 2015 and earlier, here and in other forums, were all right.
+
+That settles it, fair enough.
+--- 15359574
+>>15358856
+could be better, could be worse. id probably enjoy it a lot more if i didnt have so much debt over my head.
+--- 15359799
+>>15358856
+I do something I actually enjoy (though I often don't realise that until I take a holiday or break).
+Doesn't pay the best, nor have the lightest workload and honestly it's a lot of stress but I do like it. So I'm content with my job and think I would be much less happy with the soulless finance jobs my peers filtered into
+--- 15359860
+Since the profession is shilled here so much:
+What do I need to know if I want to become a patent attourney? What are the inverviews like? What do I need to read up on before applying? What do I expect if I'm accepted?
+--- 15359871
+>>15359177
+Plasma and fusion people are doing great and it's a good time to start because by the time you need a job, the current fusion labs should be working and the new generation will be in design/building. Unless governments see that NIF and ITER are going nowhere and pull all funding so there is that to worry about.
+
+For fission nuclear physics, general radioactivity, heavy nuclei and nuclei under extreme conditions... The impression I get is that things are fine, the field isn't rapidly changing, growing or shrinking and governments are pretty regular with funding it. Government and defence are regular employers for obvious reasons. Research institutions with accelerator and neutron sources or reactors are also big employers. For industry jobs outside of the obvious nuclear there is fabrication of nuclear generators for space craft and fabrication of medical or other radioisotopes, both normally done in research institutes anyway. You also have the option of going into medicine and training to be a radiotherapy technician or specialist, same for tomography and radiology. There aren't a huge number of research jobs nor universities which do experimental nuclear physics research but those that do exist are stable and not hugely competitive since it's seen as a more boring and less popular branch of physics.
+--- 15359880
+Thoughts on Technical Physics undergrad? (major Polish uni)
+From the syllabus it seems like it's the standard physics theories mixed with some computer science and mechanics
+--- 15359901
+>>15359871
+>those that do exist are stable and not hugely competitive since it's seen as a more boring and less popular branch of physics.
+Really? What's seen as cool these days? Dark matter?
+--- 15359967
+>>15359860
+Find a big national/international place like the EPO or IPO or equivalent. There are smaller firms but the big national ones are the most likely to employ scientists. They will employ you as a patent inspector, posts go up multiple times a year. As an inspector you don't work on the legal side. Instead you'll look at a patent applications, I'll use the example of a new electrical amplifier. From the application you'll need to judge will this amplifier work, is the physics correct, does it bring something new and commercially important to the industry, does it infringe on existing patents and is it likely to be infringed upon. Essentially use your technical knowledge do give the office all the needed information to decide if it is worth spending money defending and enforcing the new patent.
+
+Given that, what a patent office want is someone with technical knowledge of a field, or the skills to get to grips with it quickly. They generally take masters students and assign them a technical area to specialise in. Research skills are a plus since checking if a new invention is derivative is much like a literature search. You'll need an eye for detail, paperwork, writing up and presenting findings and good communication with the clients who submit applications and with patent attorneys.
+Interviews normally have multiple rounds, a technical one then a personal one. 
+Worth reading up on the role of an inspector, as well as enough to show you're familiar with a branch of tech and the innovations in it to at least a basic level.
+
+Once you get it expect a lot of training about the legal stuff and your specialist field. You'll also visit labs and conferences to keep up to date on the tech. The rest of the job is just endless meetings, paperwork and reading.
+--- 15359980
+>>15352440
+I don't really buy this. Looking at the job market it seems like a physics BS is one of the most versatile ways to go. I only ever hear about meches and eleces complaining about shit wages and oversaturation.
+--- 15360003
+>>15359901
+Astro and particle have have always been super popular, particle is incredibly oversubscribed and still growing. Theory is also always weirdly popular and string/dark matter within that especially so.
+
+The new kids on the block are quantum computing and 2D materials. Quantum is huge because of massive investment right now but I'm convinced the bubble will pop before long.
+Five/ten years ago I would have included graphene but that's a dying field and the people there have fled to other 2d materials.
+--- 15360005
+>>15352440
+>If you want to be a physicist understand that you will have to go for a PhD
+Not true. If you got a bachelor you can work in finance for good money.
+--- 15360225
+>>15359980
+>>15360005
+This seems like a US thing to me, never seen or heard this happening here in mainland Europe.
+--- 15360249
+>>15360225
+Any quant graduate program really. Also see >>15356888.
+--- 15360264
+>>15360249
+That's for a graduate program though, which would make sense. It's going directly into industry like >>15359980 that seems off to me
+--- 15360391
+>>15356037
+that's because you live in india.
+Engineers don't get hired in America. Every meche with a high paying job is either a boomer or a millennial with nepotism. There is no engineering industry in this country and what little work there is going to be taken over by outsourcing and diversity hires.
+Grabbing a cs, physics or math bs is unironically a smarter move than an engineering bs.

sci/15350017.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350017
+FAA Blows Out Candle On Historic Launch Of Giant SpaceX Starship 
+>Enthusiasm waned among fans of space flight and Elon Musk Thursday as the Federal Aviation Administration shot down plans by Musk's SpaceX for the maiden flight of its giant two-stage rocket called Starship
+>On Twitter, Musk indicated the space vehicle might launch this week. However, it ended up being the fourth time the FAA's Office of Commercial Space Transportation blew out the launch plan.
+>The agency still has yet to complete an environmental review, which began in November 2020. It now plans to release the assessment on May 31.
+https://www.investors.com/news/technology/spacex-faa-blows-out-candle-on-company-starship/
+--- 15350057
+>>15350017 (OP)
+ADMIT IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S FUCKING OVER!
+--- 15350081
+Mind you, the FAA will release the assessment on May 31, which means that the flight approval will take even longer.
+--- 15350086
+The environmental review isn't ready yet and Musk spamming voice announcements without approval then actually cancelling them is cringe.
+--- 15350091
+>>15350017 (OP)
+The USA does not have a monopoly on launch pads and there are lots of civs interested in stealing a great person.
+--- 15350112
+>>15350017 (OP)
+Is it really smart to fire rockets and shit at the sky in pre-ww3 environment? Also, should have let UA keep their starlinks.
+--- 15350117
+Called it. What joke. When will burgers do the needful and balkanise?
+--- 15350169
+>>15350017 (OP)
+>May 31
+>"Our report concludes that it is not possible to launch from Boca Chica under any circumstances without adverse noise pollution affecting the nearby settlement
+What then, Muskbros?
+--- 15350201
+>>15350017 (OP)
+Nice link, retard
+--- 15350205
+>>15350017 (OP)
+>>15350201
+Yeah the environmental assessment has already been published. Looks like an AI written article that fucked up
+https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship
+--- 15350226
+>>15350201
+
+They have taken the article out, it was referenced in other sites
+https://flipboard.com/topic/aviation/faa-blows-out-candle-on-historic-launch-of-giant-spacex-starship/a-mbfdqRQ6SgSDbM5x-i90WA%3Aa%3A2631113178-bddb8f503c%2Finvestors.com
+
+https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/faa-blows-out-candle-on-historic-launch-of-giant-spacex-starship-12352341
+
+
+I wonder why that is
+--- 15350230
+>OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN
+--- 15350241
+>>15350226
+Yes because it was fucking bullshit. The EA has been done for a year, it's available on the FAA site.
+--- 15350472
+>>15350230
+--- 15350596
+>>15350472
+Kek, they're speeding towards Boca Chica as we speak
+--- 15350616
+>>15350017 (OP)
+>>The agency still has yet to complete an environmental review,
+I hate these faggots so much. "environmental review" exists to sabotage progress.
+--- 15350689
+>>15350616
+>>15350017 (OP)
+
+Article was bullshit, already removed
+--- 15352390
+>>15350689
+oops
+--- 15355205
+>>15350017 (OP)
+--- 15355227
+>>15350017 (OP)
+>there won't be any more human progress until we can completely control humans
+https://www.bitchute.com/video/aXekJRez6DoT/
+--- 15355428
+>>15350017 (OP)
+Musk messed with Biden, now Biden strikes back.
+--- 15355745
+>>15350017 (OP)
+We...uh.. Nuke the FAA headquarters and hunt down all of the agents, yes even Betty from accounting, especially her
+--- 15356519
+>>15350017 (OP)
+It’s going to explode and not make it to orbit.
+--- 15356633
+>>15355428
+Biden can’t afford to lose the youth voters.
+--- 15356662
+>>15356633
+they don't care, they'll just use dominion's software base solution like they did in 2020
+--- 15356684
+>>15355428
+>Musk messed with Biden, now Biden strikes back.
+Sounds like "The Empire Strikes Back". 
+Fake President Biden is too much of a jester to be Darth Vader though.
+--- 15356737
+I cannot believe retards could fall for the simplest of baits like this that have demonstrably false statements
+--- 15356795
+>>15350017 (OP)
+--- 15358505
+>>15356737
+how many boosters are you on?
+--- 15358560
+>>15350117
+soon
+--- 15358597
+>>15350017 (OP)
+https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136 [Embed]
+https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694 [Embed]

sci/15350103.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350103
+Be as brutally honest as possible
+
+Is a 130 iq enough to be a good mathematician?
+--- 15350107
+>>15350103 (OP)
+No, janitor tops.
+--- 15350217
+Why do people act like math is this difficult skill. Just express everything as tautologies to make progress with a proof. Stick to the methods and you can't prove something false. Literally it's as easy as practicing first with rudin, then jumping into some field of research writing out half finished proofs as your means of learning the material. Take notes in a latex editor like texstudio and then clean it up. Boom. You're a contributing mathematician. A 90 IQ monkey could do math. The only real filter is people feel to embarrassed to 
+actually decipher the symbols. Just put in the work
+--- 15350253
+>>15350103 (OP)
+>As brutally honest as possible
+If you let anything stop you from trying, you won't have the determination and will to succeed.
+There are plenty of very talented people with high IQ that seem incredibly talented... Untill they hit a roadblock.
+The issue with being very talented is that life can be on easy mode for longer than is healthy.
+You just cruise along untill you hit a road bump, but because it's so unprecedented it's like a wall with all of the weight of high expectations and no experience with hardship.
+
+If you're pretty good with mathematics, do you have something else that you find hard and bad at but still continue putting your time into it and get better little by little?
+Because no matter how smart you are you will hit a wall sooner or later.
+You might surpas every other human but it will come and then it will be even worse because there's no one to ask for advice.
+
+Something like that.
+High IQ might be (I'm not really into this, IQ is most useful on population level, not individual. Too many additional variables) needed, but does not guarantee success. 
+You can start with average stats but grind untill people start to assume you were a genius since childhood.
+The power of will and discipline is more important than raw intelligence. 
+
+At least that's how I see the issue.
+--- 15350263
+High iq without imagination and the capability to think is like soup without the veggies, it's just won't be useful
+--- 15350301
+>>15350103 (OP)
+>>15350107
+
+>Want to be smart
+>Learn that the body only uses 10% of brain.
+>Buy hammer and pikes from Home Depot.
+>Hammer you own head until only 10% of brain is left.
+>Give yourself a month and see your new IQ!
+--- 15350786
+>>15350103 (OP)
+You could have a 180 IQ and if you're not motivated or don't really have an actual interest in it then you'll most likely struggle more overall than someone with a 110 IQ that spends a lot of their spare time reading about it because they enjoy it
+--- 15350825
+>>15350103 (OP)
+It's more about personality
+
+One of my physics professors is in top 30 smartest people on the planet. 183 IQ. But he's not much. Just another professor constantly complaining about low income. 
+
+On the otger hand you have someone like Richard Feynman. His IQ is about 125. Midwit teritorry, yet he was so interested in how everything worked that it wasn't a problem.
+--- 15350843
+>>15350103 (OP)
+You're basically on the edge. Yes, 130 is enough to be a good mathematician, but you won't be the new Pascal or something. 
+
+Also, looking at the replies here, this thread looks more like a fucking Reddit thread lmao. Yessss kanggg you can do itttttt,,,,, itz not the intelligence jtzz the will!!!!! 
+
+My ass. You can work hard but if you're dumb you just won't get far. Let me get this straight: Calculus and Algebra are some of the EASIER parts of maths, especially when we talk only about differentiating and integrating. Real maths is much purer and requires tonnes of creativity. You won't get far without that.
+--- 15350869
+>>15350103 (OP)
+>130 iq
+>good mathematician
+yeah for sure if you work at it 24/7 duh but will you be a professor etc.? No you have no job opportunities in that front
+--- 15350919
+>>15350843
+>Calculus and Algebra are some of the EASIER parts of maths
+Honestly, this. People only think they're hard because that's what (((they))) told them to think.
+--- 15350932
+>>15350843
+Are you implying that both Reddit and 4chan /sci/ don't actually provide genuine information but instead fall into one of the two camps? The first say "you can do it champ" and the second day "it's over" sadpepe.jpg?
+--- 15351189
+>>15350932
+Both offer information. You need a good informational filter to get out the information that you reason to be true and dump that which is clearly just someone's attempt at trolling. With that being said, Reddifags care more about preserving their karma virginity than offering any kind of *realistic* advice
+--- 15351483
+>>15350825
+Your prof. Is not 183 iq lol, iq tests dont even measure that high
+--- 15354753
+>>15350103 (OP)
+Yeah - granted you’re prolly not going to invent any new formulae or anything but you would probably make an above average college professor.
+--- 15354771
+>>15350103 (OP)
+>Be as brutally honest as possible
+>Is a 130 iq enough to be a good mathematician?
+No, not if you're hoping to discover something truly revolutionary in math.
+You'll be able to use math at all levels. You'll be able to teach it. You won't be able to invent it (probably) without either luck or a herculean amount of work.
+A few brilliant minds have invented the modern world and the rest of us are just kind of along for the ride. We're not useless, but we're not the ones shaping scientific history.
+--- 15354801
+>>15350103 (OP)
+Probably not no
+
+You could be really good at applied math, but real mathematicians do theoretical research which, at this point, is at an extremely high level and, absent serendipity, probably beyond your ability to grasp
+
+You could certainly do fine as a math teacher though; even a professor at a community college or lower tier university should be well within your ability to achieve. But all these jobs are mostly about teaching, being a mathematician implies doing actual relevant mathematics for which the bar is just insanely high today.
+--- 15354802
+Good and bad are by products of meaningless social constructs who have the absolute authority to define it?
+
+Math is about proof, not truth.
+Want to be a mathematician? 
+Easy, generate 2 random numbers 24 digits long and them make the sum.
+Congrats you proved a theorem that probably nobody else proved before.
+--- 15354978
+Yes.
+--- 15355031
+>>15350103 (OP)
+If you come from a "diverse" background, you'll be overqualified. If not, I'd say you are right around the cutoff point. It will be a bit of a struggle to get through the graduate material and develop a solid mathematical foundation, but after that you should be good. 
+
+Contrary to popular belief, academic research can be the easiest part of the process if you play your cards right. There are quite literally an infinite number of unsolved problems of all difficulty levels. There will never be a shortage of moderately interesting low hanging fruit to publish.
+--- 15355370
+>>15350103 (OP)
+High enough to enjoy the beauty of maths like calculating a water basin with calculus methods.
+--- 15355462
+>>15350843
+>You're basically on the edge. Yes, 130 is enough to be a good mathematician, but you won't be the new Pascal or something.
+>Also, looking at the replies here, this thread looks more like a fucking Reddit thread lmao. Yessss kanggg you can do itttttt,,,,, itz not the intelligence jtzz the will!!!!!
+There's obviously correlation but there's more to it.
+>>15355031
+>Contrary to popular belief, academic research can be the easiest part of the process if you play your cards right. There are quite literally an infinite number of unsolved problems of all difficulty levels. There will never be a shortage of moderately interesting low hanging fruit to publish.
+This.
+--- 15355513
+>>15350253
+correct
+--- 15356191
+>>15350103 (OP)
+Isn't 130 the average mathematician IQ
+--- 15356234
+>>15354801
+What would you say is the minimum IQ?
+--- 15356240
+>>15356234
+And also to be a good physicist?
+--- 15356340
+>>15350103 (OP)
+IQ is your processor or so to speak.
+You will take longer than higher IQ people to figure some stuff out, it will be harder. But your processing power is not so low that it will crash the program if you get what I mean. It's more than enough to tackle any topic as long as you have imagination and creativity (impossible to measure alas).
+As I said, you will take more time to load the program, but if you have what it takes to use it correctly you can still outdo people with higher IQs than yours.
+--- 15356396
+>>15350103 (OP)
+No
+--- 15356398
+No because the thing is you have to be more intelligent than that
+--- 15358714
+>>15356396
+>>15356398
+feynmann had an iq of 126
+--- 15358758
+>Calculus and Algebra are some of the EASIER parts of maths
+Lol, something about the way you said that makes it seem like you just discovered that real math isn't plug and chug. Are you a sophomore or something?
+>Real maths is much purer and requires tonnes of creativity
+Which is exactly why it isn't as IQ-loaded as something like physics, hence why math students tend to have (slightly) lower average IQs than physics students.
+--- 15358774
+The Time Travel Interpretation of the Bible
+>https://vixra.org/abs/2304.0073

sci/15350165.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350165
+owie zowie
+--- 15350404
+>>15350165 (OP)
+pchooo
+--- 15352335
+>>15350165 (OP)
+electric balls
+--- 15355230
+he'll be alright after a kiss on the booboo
+--- 15357843
+What happened here?
+--- 15358968
+>>15357843
+electric balls
+--- 15359064
+>>15358968
+LIGHTNINGGG!!!!

sci/15350339.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350339
+Post your coolest SCIENCE FUN FACTS
+--- 15350405
+Brainwave entrainment, also referred to as brainwave synchronization or neural entrainment, refers to the observation that brainwaves (large-scale electrical oscillations in the brain) will naturally synchronize to the rhythm of periodic external stimuli, such as flickering lights,[1] speech,[2] music,[3] or tactile stimuli.
+
+As different conscious states can be associated with different dominant brainwave frequencies,[4] it is hypothesized that brainwave entrainment might induce a desired state. Researchers have found, for instance, that acoustic entrainment of delta waves in slow wave sleep had the functional effect of improving memory in healthy subjects.[5]
+--- 15350408
+>>15350371
+>then you
+Everyone apparently has a larger brain than you.
+--- 15350419
+>>15350405
+Neural oscillations are rhythmic or repetitive electrochemical activity in the brain and central nervous system.[6] Such oscillations can be characterized by their frequency, amplitude and phase. Neural tissue can generate oscillatory activity driven by mechanisms within individual neurons, as well as by interactions between them. They may also adjust frequency to synchronize with the periodic vibration of external acoustic or visual stimuli.[7][8]
+
+The activity of neurons generate electric currents; and the synchronous action of neural ensembles in the cerebral cortex, comprising large numbers of neurons, produce macroscopic oscillations. These phenomena can be monitored and graphically documented by an electroencephalogram (EEG). The electroencephalographic representations of those oscillations are typically denoted by the term 'brainwaves' in common parlance.[9][10]
+
+The technique of recording neural electrical activity within the brain from electrochemical readings taken from the scalp originated with the experiments of Richard Caton in 1875, whose findings were developed into electroencephalography (EEG) by Hans Berger in the late 1920s.
+--- 15350548
+>>15350413
+you seem to know a lot about trannys
+--- 15350556
+The universe could end at any moment due to false vacuum decay
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum_decay
+--- 15350564
+>>15350556
+yeah and you could stop being a faggot at any moment, yet you never stop
+--- 15350587
+>>15350339 (OP)
+Air is surprisingly heavy
+
+You have a weight of more than a ton crushing down on you every moment of your life yet you stand strong!
+--- 15350603
+>>15350564
+not a science fun fact
+--- 15350606
+>>15350339 (OP)
+LSD was synthesized over two decades before the psilocybin in Magic Mushrooms was "discovered" by science.
+--- 15350707
+>>15350587
+Do you mean that if I was in a vacuum I would feel much lighter?
+--- 15350714
+>>15350405
+>>15350419
+any way to use this practically? anything to seek out/avoid?
+--- 15350800
+>>15350339 (OP)
+--- 15350803
+>>15350739
+No, psilocybin was first isolated by Albert Hofmann in 1958, wasson only did the antropology legwork, discovered the existence of the ritual, and found the mushrooms, but had no idea why they were psychoactive until he brought them back to be studied by scientists like Hoffman who first published his finding in Helvetica Chemica Acta to be scrutinized by his peers.
+--- 15352070
+>>15350413
+nta but yes i am
+--- 15352719
+>>15350339 (OP)
+--- 15355215
+SU professor Eric Stewart abruptly left his $190,000-a-year role after being accused of faking data to make racism more common than it actually is.
+
+https://humanevents.com/2023/04/12/black-fsu-professor-resigns-in-disgrace-amid-allegations-he-faked-data-on-commonality-of-racism-had-6-papers-retracted
+--- 15355224
+>>15355215
+>"academia" lying
+nah they would never
+trust the science!
+--- 15355310
+>>15350419
+Neat
+
+I bet it has something to do with the procedure by which the brain models external reality and produces its simulation.
+--- 15357415
+>>15350339 (OP)
+Sharks have a really acute sense of smell and used to be abundant in basically every ocean on the planet. You used to be able to spill some blood or chum in any ocean anywhere and you'd have sharks showing up within minutes
+--- 15357430
+Cows can perceive planet earth magnetic field
+--- 15357433
+>>15350587
+>surprisingly
+well, not that surprising
+--- 15357450
+The Lord will be king over the whole Earth.

sci/15350429.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350429
+How would you change the way math and science are taught, if given the chance?
+--- 15350443
+it's taught fine. students just lack motivation.
+--- 15350453
+>>15350429 (OP)
+Government mass schooling is a failed system. It is also unnecessary, most people have no interest in teaching, and most students have no interest in math/science. It's a self perpetuating system, most people become teachers for a job and $, most students study math/science because they must follow this system that has been created.
+The best method of teaching and learning is the mastery method, but again this can't be implemented as some sort of socialist system, it can only be pursued by self interested intelligent individuals.
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastery_learning
+--- 15350454
+>>15350443
+replace 'motivation' with 'IQ'
+--- 15350455
+>>15350453
+Government can at best produce literates (currently failing to do even that in US)
+--- 15350456
+>>15350429 (OP)
+Gamify it. All these little shits are already addicted to gambling from twitch. Turn math class into a casino tutor the ones falling behind, and create challenges for the ones surging ahead. Give out prizes in form of shit kids wants like fornite bux or giftcards.
+--- 15350459
+>>15350456
+This rewards system causes a spike in output initially but then plateaus rapidly.
+--- 15350468
+>>15350459
+Okay, adjust reward to ssri and hrt. You want to transition by 8th grade Timmy? Better crack them fractions books. Oh, what's that you're depressed? Look, these quadratic equations are here to help you.
+--- 15350470
+if you're on any medication for any mental disorder, you're illegible to take any science or math class.
+--- 15350668
+>>15350429 (OP)
+Yep I would make exams like this:
+3 sections
+section 1 is easy questions with multiple choice that you should be able to figure out even if you missed some of the class
+section 2 is a single difficult problem like a tough integral with write-in solution
+section 3 is a handful of questions that require real cleverness and creative thinking
+
+section 1 is worth 50% marks
+section 2 is worth 50% marks
+section 3 gets you fast tracked to more advanced classes if you show aptitude
+--- 15350677
+>>15350429 (OP)
+I would not have science and math be taught. Let children have fun. When we teach them since early age, we get incompetent chinks like Terence Tao.
+--- 15350741
+bring back new math
+--- 15350744
+>>15350429 (OP)
+Hang this equation on every school wall in America
+
+[math]cm = 2.54 \times inch[/math]
+--- 15350753
+>>15350454
+IQ is a test score, not an attribute
+--- 15350756
+>>15350456
+Literally this. Imagine if you got to motorboat your teacher’s breasts every time you scored an A on your quizzes.
+--- 15350788
+>>15350429 (OP)
+prioritize comprehension more than memory capacity i guess.
+i see no reason why people should waste their time memorizing a sequence of symbols, instead of knowing how to use them
+all tests should take place with open material such as a sheet of formulas given to each student.
+this way it will also be possible to build more complex problems for them that will require them to adjust the information
+--- 15350876
+>>15350753
+a test that measures an attribute
+--- 15351003
+>>15350429 (OP)
+Math eugenics - everyone gets a maximum of two tries with each math class and if you fail twice you get put down.
+
+Math literacy and overpopulation solved in one step.
+--- 15351010
+>>15350429 (OP)
+Segregate people. Those that are bad or unwilling force the teacher to slow down the program and make it retard friendly.
+Grades are pointless if the A students are together with D students.
+You make multiple levels of schools. If student is performing well, he gets to a higher level where he learns and competes with similar students, if student is shit, he gets downgraded.
+Make like 5 levels of schools, and each school will have different learning program.
+--- 15351030
+I would use the exact textbooks and curriculum that I used in my own education without changing a single thing.
+--- 15351057
+>>15351010
+>If student is performing well, he gets to a higher level where he learns and competes with similar students, if student is shit, he gets downgraded.
+don't you see any aggregation?
+--- 15351173
+Apply genetic engineering, everything else will naturally follow suit.
+--- 15351285
+>>15350456
+100%, videogame companies hire psychology teams to put all those hooks on the vidya, surely it can be done to math too, right
+--- 15351336
+>abolish compulsory education
+>institute compulsory testing instead
+>you can learn however you want, the state only requires you to pass a battery of tests to attain certification in a given level of education
+Smart kids can study however they like and progress at an accelerated pace, retards can still go to school to be wrangled if they like.
+--- 15351361
+>>15350876
+Yes, but you wouldn’t say someone “lacks IQ”. That’d be like saying a football player “lacks 40-yard dash”. I understood what the post was saying but it didn’t make any sense syntactically.
+--- 15351372
+More applied stats, it's the only kind of math that I find myself using all over the place. It can help you think of the world in a different, more realistic and useful way.
+--- 15351386
+>>15351372
+Fuck off, /pol/fag.
+--- 15351584
+>>15350429 (OP)
+Don't introduce infinite decimals until students know the formal definition of a limit.
+They make you round the answers anyway in high school, so you never need more than 2~5 digits anyway. At most 10 digits if I'm being generous.
+
+When teaching long division, if you encounter 1/3, just show that the process would never end.
+Don't say that 1/3 is equal to 0 followed by infinitely many 3s. Just conclude that you can't possibly write 1/3 in decimal notation using only finitely many digits.
+
+Actually, never introduce infinite decimals. I've never ever needed them.
+If the infinite decimal is periodic, then just use a fraction.
+If the infinite decimal is not periodic, then it's probably a special number like π, sqrt(something), sin(something). Just use that special number's name.
+--- 15351683
+just let the computers take over, they're already perfect -
+--- 15353439
+Easy. Just legalise amphetamines. Only letting people with eydieitchdee take it with extra time for exams and other accomodations is stupid. You have to psychologically accept that you are broken to get a performance enhancer. Anyway. Just let people chemically nurture obsession at their own discretion without declaring themselves defective or risking jail or dealing with dodgy characters and you will greatly enhance the pursuit of science.
+--- 15353452
+>>15351683
+This
+--- 15353475
+First of all - no female teachers and get rid of common education
+--- 15353508
+>>15350468
+based beyond belief
+--- 15353651
+>>15350429 (OP)
+Start firing incompetent professors. The difference in results when the students are taught well and badly is night and day.
+But alas, public workers are untouchables where I live.
+--- 15353810
+>>15350756
+my teacher was 70years old...
+--- 15353813
+>>15353810
+Raisins are sweeter the older they are....
+--- 15353869
+Adding a little bit of gamification would not hurt, but what is needed the most is showing proper application of the material that is being thought imo. I was actively avoiding math because it was fucking boring getting bombarded with weird letters and rule tables, even in college. But the moment I needed to apply that in other courses like physics (derive integrals from stated problems, turn stated problems in to math problems, etc) it all clicked and was fairly fun. If i had those kinds of problems while learning math in HS might have been more fun.
+Basically teach kids physics instead of math lmao
+--- 15354050
+>>15350429 (OP)
+More visuals
+Advanced mathematics and physics is full of visual material yet 99% of the time this is completely ignored (including in grad textbooks too btw)
+I remember back in reading a geometric group theory textbook with not a single picture can you believe that
+--- 15354068
+>>15351057
+What do you mean? In Germany there were 3 levels of schools starting from middle school and it worked fine until the system got changed and abolished and now the education level dropped to shit.
+I would however add more classes of school. Probably 5 or more. The top 1 would be for actual geniuses with no limits and special education with uni cooperation.
+Second class would be for smart children with ability to go to uni
+Third class would be gaussian average, without ability to go to uni but having most options open
+Fourth class is reeducation class. Those are considered failures that can still be redeemed and climb up. The goal is to support those that can still hope.
+Fifth class is the irredeemable failure class. Teaching them math and shit is completely pointless so the education will be focused on them becoming good goyim. Lessons will be very simple and retard proof just to convey some simple points.
+--- 15354648
+>>15350744
+wew lad
+--- 15354890
+>>15353651
+Bad instructors are a problem, lord knows there are some shit ones who phone it in or check the fuck out, and even some real scumbags who get off on giving students bad grades. But it's naive to dump this all on the instructors. At a certain point it doesn't matter how effective an instructor is if the class has students who actively refuse to study, practice, or listen to feedback, or students who are in classes they absolutely shouldn't be in.
+--- 15355552
+>>15350429 (OP)
+YouTube Videos.
+--- 15355696
+>>15350429 (OP)
+-Abolish the department of education (educational outcomes have not improved in a single category since its inception, while spending has gone up tremendously)
+-School choice and vouchers, so shitty teachers and schools lose students
+-The only countries that succeed in math and science education are in Asia, so more of what they do. More memorization, rote practice, independent study, and rigorous testing.
+-For everything else, just follow 3blue1brown.
+--- 15355703
+>>15350459
+Never seems to fail for social media, video games, or actual casinos
+--- 15355742
+>>15350429 (OP)
+I need a good visual reference and a breakdown of what's happening with the numbers. The best way that I can describe it would be telling a story as you're breaking a problem down. I don't mean a story in the context of a fable or anything like that, I mean verbally describing the terms and what's going on in the problem as you break it down in a cohesive way.
+--- 15355753
+>>15351010
+This. I remember being bored to death in high school doing un-needed repetitions for a week when I was ready to move on in an hour.
+It's amazing how the pace picked up in college where we could go at twice the speed and only be in class half of the time.
+--- 15355757
+>>15355742
+My physics proferrors started explaining entropy by saying how his child's room tends to disorder, every day, it either stays the same or is worse off.
+But the more disorder there is, the less it's noticeable when just one more sock is added to the mix, and that's how he explained why temperature is dividing the energy change: the higher the current temperature, the lower the change in disorder when there is a change in energy will be noticeable as the system is already a mess.
+Pretty cool guy.
+--- 15357829
+>>15350429 (OP)
+id give the answers first then say show how to get there
+--- 15358355
+>>15350443
+Survivorship bias is a bitch
+--- 15358424
+>>15355703
+Because media, video games and casinos are fun throughout the whole part and much less demanding then actual work.
+--- 15358698
+>>15351361
+It's a synecdoche, you pedant.
+--- 15358791
+>>15353869
+Those are called "word problems", anon
+>>15354050
+Or better yet, animations. Let's hope in a few decades people will be saying "I remember back in reading a differential equations book with not a single interactive animation can you believe that"
+https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-02-18
+--- 15358804
+>>15355757
+Mine did something similar for us with a deck of cards - starting off with a black deck and a red deck and showing that as you riffled them together, each riffle progressively mixed the reds and blacks up more and more and that the probability of a riffle "unmixing" them got progressively less and less likely the more they mixed.
+--- 15359411
+>>15358804
+We got a visual version of that within notes that the professor explained separately. For some reason it was really helpful in explaining probability.
+--- 15359613
+Reintroduce class rankings for exams. Healthy competition drastically increases motivation.

sci/15350474.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350474
+This should explain the science behind why some science youtubers are so popular regardless lack of talent and IQ
+--- 15350479
+no idea what that shit website is. but i'm not reading that tiktweet or whatever faggy shit it is. kys.
+--- 15350583
+It's shocking to me how this is somehow a revelation worth sharing in 2023.
+--- 15350597
+>>15350474 (OP)
+>heating
+/pw/ taking over the real world again
+--- 15350684
+>>15350474 (OP)
+>>15350480
+wait until they find out how they shape recommendation engine depending on the temperature of the news day. heating or cooling as needed. building pavlovian associations between content creators and mood.
+wait until they find out how they identify and manage friend networks to seed decentralized dissemination of information.
+--- 15350723
+>>15350684
+5EYES AND SV EXECS...a short story
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnZpYoBuiGw [Embed]
+--- 15350737
+>>15350474 (OP)
+If this is news to you in 2023 it is because you are a shut in autist and should never be allowed to discuss anything on this board
+--- 15351106
+>>15350583
+I think the point is to use the word 'heating' to draw attention to what was formerly called 'boosting'. Just because some form of injustice is old doesn't mean that it shouldn't be countered. Also there aren't that many people in this thread and there are always people who haven't heard or properly understood a message, which is why mainstream media repeats their message over and over again on a loop.
+--- 15351487
+theres keyword activated bot posts on this board.
+say the magic phrase and win free (you)s
+--- 15351696
+>>15350474 (OP)
+Mark Dice is extremely pretentious and would call you a retard for not knowing what type of paper money you're holding based on its texture and where the ink is.
+
+>>15351106
+Instead of calling it "heating" or "boosting", why don't we just say "promoted artificially by youtube" so everyone immediately knows what we mean?
+--- 15351816
+>>15351487
+>where are the dead internet theory?
+--- 15352463
+>>15350474 (OP)
+Don't underestimate some people. Mr. Beast knows how to play the algorithm and always has.
+--- 15352476
+I remember seeing Mark Dice on Youtube years ago. The guy is a million years behind in evolution. Quoting him to "explain the science" of other youtubers lack of talent and IQ is a joke.
+--- 15352508
+>>15350474 (OP)
+Lex is part of the Rogan sphere and Mr.Beast hacked the matrix. This guy sounds like a retard.
+--- 15353713
+I've never watched a single MrBeast video and YouTube will recommend me his videos nonstop. It's so obvious. Who do they think they're fooling?
+--- 15353722
+>>15351106
+Boosting is a lot more intuitive than talking about central heating
+--- 15353746
+the same coincidental phenomenon could explain the success of undertale too and probably happens very widely/often considering fame altogether
+--- 15354087
+>>15351696
+Most currencies do have banknotes that are recognizable by touch on purpose, so that blind people can use them. It's a bit weird to learn that when you are sighted, but it's nothing extraordinary.
+--- 15354567
+>>15353713
+youtube is owned and operated by tribal members who consider you a lower form of life
+--- 15354875
+>>15350479
+>felt the need to post this
+
+Anon, please get off this website and hang yourself.
+--- 15354950
+>>15350583
+yea, but he tried to create his own slang word for it, to manipulate his little in-group of his twitter or whatever that he pays an extra fee to boost reach for.
+--- 15356449
+>>15354950
+"boost" took on a different meaning in the vax death era
+--- 15356562
+>>15350474 (OP)
+No. We are grassroots and recognize the other as astroturfing. There is no other term.
+--- 15357261
+>>15350474 (OP)
+it all started in 2018 when alex jones was banned from all platforms
+--- 15358704
+>i'm goooonnaaa boooooooooooosssstttt!!!
+--- 15358713
+>>15357261
+nah, it started in 2016 during the great meme war
+--- 15359808
+If they do this without notifying creators, then they should be sued for lost income. Around the time Nasim happened this was a problem.
+--- 15359824
+>>15359808
+>they should be sued for lost income.
+good luck, the courts are corrupt and youtube is a government propaganda asset. they're not going to allow a court case to tarnish youtube's reputation.

sci/15350489.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350489
+We got scammed
+--- 15350505
+>>15350489 (OP)
+Isn't this the guy who said that Falcon 9 was a scam?
+--- 15350552
+>>15350489 (OP)
+He spent about 30 seconds debunking the test. The rest is Discovery Channel tier random physics knowledge.
+
+"About 30 milligrams produces this much energy, as much as this much of the sun! woww"
+--- 15350584
+>he actually went the full video without mentioning elon musk even once
+I'm impressed bros
+--- 15350875
+>>15350584
+Don't worry, he'll make up for it my making next video exclusively about Elon
+--- 15350922
+>>15350489 (OP)
+Do these things even produce fusion, or just neutrons?
+
+The only instance of net energy ever being produced from these reactions is in classified weapons where no data is available, but lots of fission still occurs. 
+
+Does fusion actually power the sun? Literally anything under high pressure will glow and produce light. 
+
+Seems like fusion is more of a theoretical hallucination than a practical reality.
+--- 15350981
+>>15350489 (OP)
+Why are chemists out of all scientist the most insufferable deboonker "I fooking love science" midwits? Professor Dave and Myles Power too. These people are insufferable.
+--- 15351364
+>>15350981
+Thunderf00t is not a pseud like the rest. He actually has a PhD and works at a nuclear facilities, his vids are for the most part correct.
+--- 15351454
+>>15350489 (OP)
+I fucking love science
+--- 15351700
+>>15351364
+>his vids are for the most part correct.
+Only when he doesn't step out of his area of expertise or when debooonking crowd funding products
+--- 15351727
+>>15351700
+Nah, most of the products he deboonks are very apparent scams that any person could recognize if they think a bit. He actually does some cool vids that aren't just chasing low-hanging fruit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lANjwPzISQw [Embed]
+--- 15351967
+>>15350922
+yes, because the production of helium (alpha particles) poisons the reaction and makes it very difficult to achieve self-heating. the whole goal of ITER is to prove that if you make a vacuum chamber large enough then you can overcome this poisoning, but still not get anywhere close to net energy out.
+--- 15355209
+>thunderfoot
+--- 15357350
+>>15351364
+> people with phds can't be psueds
+wew lad
+--- 15357475
+>>15350489 (OP)
+Will he kill himself come monday?
+--- 15357517
+>>15350505
+and that we can fix global warming by bellowing clouds of sodium carbonate particulates into the atmosphere (original idea donut steel)
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s0w0RKny64 [Embed]
+--- 15357521
+>>15351364
+>He actually has a PhD
+Just the one?
+--- 15357534
+>>15351364
+>works at a nuclear facilities
+no, he works here
+https://www.uochb.cz/en/directory/103/phil-mason
+--- 15357538
+>>15351364
+I have a PhD and I am most definitely a pseud.
+--- 15357550
+>>15357534
+>Chemist
+LOL. No wonder. I often rail against Chemists when they venture in my domain; Biology. Too many Geneticists/Molecular Biologists have convinced themselves as being Biologists when in reality theyre just Chemists in disguise.
+--- 15357555
+>>15357550
+>Mason developed experimental methods and results that indicate the first reaction of alkali metals and water was coulombic (that is, electrical charge forces) in nature which shatters and drives the metal in an extremely pure state into the water, causing both further coulombic and water dissociation. This result, developed in 2015, was completely new to chemistry.
+
+That is noted though.
+
+>Novel Architectures in Polymer Chemistry (1997)
+If anyone has a link, I'd be greatful. I want to read it over and see if I can find anything to @ him on twitter with lol. Long shot....but...would be funny.
+--- 15357590
+Golf rumors.
+--- 15357621
+>>15357590
+--- 15357683
+>>15350489 (OP)
+Does /sci/ agree this guy is just being really unreasonable with Elon? How will he react after Starship succeeds? I assume he said similar things with Falcon 9 and we everyone universally agrees that it's blown everything out of the water.
+--- 15357696
+>>15357683
+Guess.
+--- 15357749
+>>15357696
+>anti-feminists are "crab people"
+So true, I love /sci/ schizos now
+--- 15357757
+>>15357749
+People who deny that men and women were created equal under God should be flayed alive.
+--- 15357760
+>>15357757
+kys schizo
+--- 15357785
+>>15357757
+Charlatan!
+--- 15359498
+>>15350922
+>Does fusion actually power the sun?
+Of course not. And (((they))) know it.
+--- 15359528
+>>15350922
+>Does fusion actually power the sun?
+This sounds more like a backwardsly asked question than anything. Its not an engine.
+--- 15359954
+i've just seen a webm of a man saying that nobody knows how the sun works
+how does the sun work?
+--- 15360182
+>>>/sci now hates /our guy/
+What happened
+--- 15360239
+>>15360182
+Angels fall...thats what happened.
+--- 15360456
+>>15359954
+Big hot ball of plasma that through gravity is forced to undergo splitting and reassembly of nuclei which causes a massive amount of energy pileup which eventually spills over into magneto and photon energy, now the ether more specifically was a term coined by Tesla sometimes in the earl...
+--- 15360529
+>>15350922
+>Does fusion actually power the sun? Literally anything under high pressure will glow and produce light.
+reminded me of this footnote from griffiths e&m
+--- 15360537
+>>15350489 (OP)
+Ah fuck 
+It's over bros

sci/15350539.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350539
+we know that human balls can produce up to 150 million sperm per 24 hours.
+
+we also know that they can ejaculate (in full force) roughly 5ml of of semen with each ml of it containing 100mil of sperm.
+hence the human male can ejaculate roughly up to 500million sperm (if it's a good load on good porn).
+
+therefore we conclude that the best wank is after waiting for roughly 3.333... days or exactly 80 hours.
+--- 15350544
+>>15350539 (OP)
+>let's do true science
+Doubt.
+--- 15350547
+>>15350539 (OP)
+The purpose of masturbation is to suppress desire for reproductive sex, it's basically a steriliser, can be useful in some situations that require self control and celibacy but over all harmful specially if result of artificial influence such as porn addiction.
+--- 15350554
+>>15350547
+you will literally masturbate in your sleep anyway. it's unhealthy for the balls to hold all that sperm forever.
+
+why not take advantage of it with a glorious wank every 80 hours?
+--- 15350574
+>>15350539 (OP)
+Sperm uses collagen, our body needs collagen
+--- 15350586
+>>15350574
+eat some chicken wings then.
+--- 15350592
+>>15350539 (OP)
+Eyaculation is more like vomiting, where it can happen, but it doesn't have to.
+--- 15350908
+>>15350592
+it always happens, if you don't fuck or wank for days, in your sleep.
+--- 15351565
+>>15350574
+What other things does excessive ejaculation deplete?
+--- 15351610
+>>15351565
+Bio-available zinc is a huge one. 
+
+>>15350554
+
+Nocturnal emissions and manually induced orgasm have different physiological effects.
+--- 15351691
+>>15350539 (OP)
+>let's do true science
+sure
+>we know that human balls can produce up to 150 million sperm per 24 hours
+not really important to note the numbers, what's more interesting are relations
+>we also know that they can ejaculate (in full force) roughly 5ml of of semen with each ml of it containing 100mil of sperm.
+hence the human male can ejaculate roughly up to 500million sperm (if it's a good load on good porn)
+true enough
+>therefore we conclude that the best wank is after waiting for roughly 3.333... days or exactly 80 hours
+horribly wrong misconclusion
+that's the rate at which you can ejaculate sperm, by the assumptions of this calculation, without having any sperm left over to be reabsorbed
+in other words, it's not "the best wank" at all, but optimum wasteage
+in reality, what's interesting to note is how long it takes sperm cells to reach full maturity, which is ~70 days, and how long it takes for sperm cells to die and be broken down and reabsorbed if not ejaculated, which is ~3 weeks, i.e. ~21 days
+so this full process would take ~3 months from start to finish
+instead you break into this process and waste this highly refined substance by spilling it for zero good reason other than your ephemeral opiate high
+imagine all that wasted potential
+also, as you will note from the above, the body stores ~3 weeks worth of viable sperm at any given point in time, so you can easily waste all of this and have to wait 3 entire weeks before new sperm begin to be broken down and reabsorbed, nourishing your blood with this finest of substances
+what you're doing is like going to the ends of the world to gather the most exquisite fragrances to combine them into the most marvelous perfume, and then you flush it down the toilet
+I pity you
+--- 15351699
+>>15350554
+>you will literally masturbate in your sleep anyway
+total nonsense with zero basis in reality
+this only happens to people who masturbate regularly already
+if you go a long time retaining your semen you stop having nocturnal emissions completely
+>it's unhealthy for the balls to hold all that sperm forever
+total bullshit, there's zero scientific evidence to support this claim, and plenty in support of the fact that unused sperm gets broken down and reabsorbed, allowing you to reuse all those fine materials
+stop pretending to be about science if you're just going to say bullshit
+--- 15351703
+>>15350908
+>it always happens, if you don't fuck or wank for days, in your sleep
+wrong
+only to chronic masturbators
+see: >>15351699
+--- 15351983
+>>15351691
+that's stupid. you admitted the amount of sperm ejaculated is high but you have some kind of "maturity" quality you think it's important.
+
+you never proved the "maturity" factor is related to enjoyment or any other result.
+--- 15351990
+>>15351703
+>>15351699
+> you stop having nocturnal emissions completely
+that means you damaged yourselves entirely you nazi fucks hahahahahaha
+
+PS your source on any of that: butt.
+--- 15352003
+>>15351699
+>>15351703
+you're full of shit, if they stop the main factor is maturity, and it happens to married men who don't masturbate too (and only a brainlet would think otherwise (since masturbation is biologically simulation of sex)).
+--- 15352213
+>>15352003
+"the mean frequency ranges from 0.36 times per week (about once every three weeks) for single 15-year-old males to 0.18 times per week (about once every five-and-a-half weeks) for 40-year-old single males. For married males, the mean ranges from 0.23 times per week (about once per month) for 19-year-old married males to 0.15 times per week (about once every two months) for 50-year-old married males.[7]"
+So that's still less semen loss than every 80 hours
+--- 15352215
+>>15352213
+**frequency of nocturnal emissions
+--- 15355234
+>>15351699
+>if you go a long time retaining your semen you stop having nocturnal emissions completely
+No you don't
+t. stopped wanking
+--- 15356587
+>>15350547
+How is it harmful to not fall for your dumb monkey brain telling you to mindlessly breed?
+--- 15356620
+>>15350539 (OP)
+This is ignoring the physiological effects of ejaculation, your testosterone levels increase up to 5 days to a week after ejaculation anf then gradually fall from there
+
+Its therefore optimal to nut every 10 to 14 days to maximize the overall average test level, as youve shown this allows enough time to replenish sperm stocks and some leftover to be reabsorbed like that weirdo wants who keeps going on about how nutritious it is
+--- 15356652
+>>15351691
+Many functions of the body are use it or lose it. If you rarely ejaculate, your body will begin to shut down this part of your body. I don’t think that’s a good thing e.g. prostate cancer/swelling
+--- 15356663
+>>15356620
+How did you take 3.33 and 5 and arrive at 10 to 14?
+--- 15357258
+>>15356620
+don't forget though, that the nutting can be either optimal or not.
+i.e. it depends on how good you porn and method is.
+--- 15360506
+>>15356620
+>source: it came to me in a dream
+--- 15360521
+>>15356652
+This.\
+NoFap is a WEF/Jew plot to further erode masculinity and fuck up men's gear by making them weaker, like monks.
+--- 15360531
+>>15356620
+>Its therefore optimal to nut every 10 to 14 days to maximize the overall average test level,
+>Knows not a single bodybuilder. 
+Every other day is close to optimal. At least 15 times a month minimum.
+--- 15360557
+Scientifically speaking, you should ejaculate once every fourth day. This ejaculation should not be rushed. It must be primed and powerful. This is what the science is telling us. We must trust the science.
+--- 15360569
+>>15360557
+>ejaculate once every fourth day.
+Sounds too Chinese.

sci/15350686.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350686
+I am a non-smoker who began consuming nicotine gum recreationally after doing extensive research onto the effects of it. Nicotine is a stimulant that has been shown to have many benefits, including positive effects on fine motor abilities, attention, reaction time, and episodic and working memory[1]. It has been proven to exhibit anti-estrogenic effects[2]. In the short term, nicotine increases energy expenditure and could reduce appetite, which may explain why smokers tend to have lower body weight than do non-smokers[3]. From my own experience, I know that a high dose of nicotine can even give me a mild feeling of euphoria.
+
+>but I don't want to start smoking
+That's why they invented nicotine gum. All of the benefits of nicotine without any of the downsides of smoking.
+
+>but nicotine is harmful
+Tobacco is harmful. Nicotine in isolation, such as in nicotine gum, has not been proven to have any long term negative effects whatsoever. No link between nicotine gum and cancer, diabetes, heart disease or lung disease has been found[4][5]. Every study that found nicotine to be harmful was studying its usage in the form of tobacco, primarily by smoking cigarettes. The only proven downside is that it's addictive, but what is the problem with being addicted to a harmless substance? Even caffeine is addictive
+
+>inb4 shill
+What am I shilling? Go buy generic store brand nicotine gum for all I care.
+
+[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3151730/
+[2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2178432/
+[3] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523235479?via%3Dihub
+[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_gum#Safety_concerns
+[5] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27699443
+
+My own experience has been positive and I want to share my thoughts with other people. Don't just take my word for it, as always do your own research.
+--- 15350899
+>>15350686 (OP)
+Big baccy shill
+
+Hijacking this thread with no survivors:
+How bad is smoking a cigar once every few months?
+--- 15350976
+>>15350899
+Illiterate retard, leave my thread.
+--- 15350986
+>>15350686 (OP)
+All things in moderation - I prefer pipe smoking because it’s less convenient than cigs or popping nicotine gum, which makes it a little harder to abuse.
+--- 15350999
+>>15350976
+Have you seen the mirror?
+--- 15351036
+I vape around $6 of nicotine a day. Unflavored to reduce chemical intake and pod-based to reduce environmental waste.
+Pure(-ish) nicotine is great but it's addictive and costs a lot. I've also noticed weight gain in the belly, which I've read nicotine causing fat to move toward the core. Nicotine users experience a 10-20% reduction in baseline dopamine which is part of the addictiveness. I want to quit but I'm not disciplined enough.
+--- 15352233
+These gums help me a lot with my post traumatic stress. They calm my nerves very well.
+--- 15352668
+>>15351036
+Just know that as soon as your coil is burnt *at all* youre starting to smoke metals. Burning it could be on the first hit, fyi.
+
+Titanium nails for vaporizing wax come in two price points, $30 and $250.
+$30 makes toxins, $250 doesnt.
+--- 15352730
+>>15350686 (OP)
+Don't be a fucking pussy, get a pipe and smoke it like a real man
+
+You don't inhale so there's no effects on your lungs, tiny increase in risk of jaw cancer but unless you're puffing all day it's not a real concern
+
+Just take care to avoid becoming addicted or it turns into a liability, the withdrawal effects outweigh the marginal health benefits.
+
+>>15350899
+It's totally fine if you can handle it, just don't inhale.
+
+However I find a cigar has way too much nicotine and I feel lightheaded and nauseous by the end of it, a pipe is much more efficient for casual use.
+--- 15352797
+>>15350686 (OP)
+it's literally poison you retard
+--- 15352845
+>>15350686 (OP)
+Nicotine contract arteries, as all stimulants do, and consistent usage will cause hardening of the arteries over time, regardless of intake method.
+
+Not really worse than caffeine or other stimulants, but it's not "healthy" to strain your cardiovascular system 24/7, even if only by a minor margin.
+
+Your body functions at thin biological margins.
+
+A tiny amount of change over time adds up to big problems eventually.
+--- 15353091
+>>15352797
+>>15350899
+Why do people like you come on /sci/ and reply without even reading a relatively short post? Absolutely pathetic, I bet you're phoneposters as well.
+
+>>15352845
+>Nicotine contract arteries, as all stimulants do, and consistent usage will cause hardening of the arteries over time, regardless of intake method
+Source?
+--- 15353092
+>>15352668
+The coil's in the device? I go through 4 pods every 5 days so if the coil is in those that's good, if it's in the device I should probably replace mine.
+--- 15353111
+>>15353092
+Coils are in the pod. If you ever buy a vape with reusable pod, you will notice the burnt metallic taste after about 3 refills at which point it’s utterly disgusting. Disposable pods are the way to go
+--- 15353122
+>>15352845
+Source: dumb faggot
+--- 15353221
+>>15350686 (OP)
+Nicotine is gay. Literally so effective at addicting you with so little reward, you would think it was made in a lab.
+--- 15353230
+>>15353221
+Syntethic nicotine is made in a lab and it by itself is, anecdotally, less addictive than caffeine
+--- 15353261
+>>15353230
+caffeine is barely addictive
+--- 15353265
+>>15353261
+Withdrawals from caffeine far exceed nicotine in my experience. Nicotine by itself is barely addictive, and nearly everyone who hasn’t tried it believes it is extremely addictive
+--- 15353370
+>>15352730
+>cigar too much
+True, especially since the largest sizes are more common.
+You can go for a slimmer gauge or partially smoke it and leave it for later.
+In which case, remember to blow the smoke out of it before putting out.
+--- 15353393
+Just started vaping for this purpose. Makes me relax, a little disassociated, like a form of drunkenness. Not much positive effects outside of that, probably due to high concentration. 
+
+Don't feel any addiction, and regular take breaks to prove it. Only time I think about it is when I'm bored.
+--- 15353431
+Yes but use unflavored snus, like zyn smooth. Vape is bad for your lung (yes heating up metal and plastic and inhaling hot propylene glycol is actually bad for your lungs) and artificial sweeteners are bad for your insulin sensitivity, and mint, the most common gum flavor, is strongly estrogenic.
+So yes nicotine, but only nicotine. No hot vapours, no artificial sweeteners, no mint. 
+Also swallowing isn't great, in your stomach it turns into something carcinogenic I think.
+--- 15353550
+>>15353431
+>Also swallowing isn't great, in your stomach it turns into something carcinogenic I think.
+But I take mine with hot coffee and melt the pouch in a few minutes...
+
+Kicks, I dont get'em like the olden days...so...yeah.
+--- 15353681
+>>15353431
+Based Zyn smooth enjoyer. Got a citrus in rn. While being probably the current best commercial nicotine product, Zyn still have one artificial sweetner in them.
+--- 15354048
+>>15353431
+Average Zyn consumer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDpxYOr5d5U [Embed]
+--- 15355707
+Any of you guys use nicotine patches? I'm open to trying this but obviously need a baby dose
+--- 15356503
+>>15350686 (OP)
+Probably won’t kill you, but nicotine in all forms is bad for your boner
+--- 15356829
+>>15350686 (OP)
+Smoking is definitely a retarded idea, it destroys most of the nicotine and creates tar and carcinogenic stuff, besides the smell.
+
+What I do is either nic gum, which can be expensive, or just plain tobacco leaves left on my upper gums. It's so simple I now realize everyone else is a larper. Vape's problem is it rushes into the brain. A senselessly fast absorption is bad because it makes the difference between use and dependency(ΔFosB expression and mesolimbic pathway disfunction).
+--- 15356842
+>>15350899
+>>15350686 (OP)
+>Tabaco shill
+Just vape bro.
+--- 15359402
+>>15350686 (OP)
+Nicotine is literally a mind parasite drug designed so perfectly to create maximum dependency off of absolute bare minimum reward possible. Anybody saying nicotine helps with thinking and thus is worth using (kind of but not a lot), is likely massively coping due to their own addiction, or straight up does not know enough about how fucked it is for your mind. I don't like to sound rude or brash, but nicotine is the world's most uneccesary shot in the foot drug-wise, and it's a shame that anybody is even promiting the microscopic effects of nicotine (particularly smoking) when it has been proven to only have like 5% of the effectiveness of working out. Everybody I know who has tried nicotine has gotten addicted, and they hate themselves for it. Biggest headache in the world to deal with (and we haven't even gotten to the financial cost long-term). Don't. Do. Nicotine.
+--- 15359594
+>>15350686 (OP)
+Nicotine is one of the most based drugs to exist. Our bodies have evolved around its use for hundreds if not thousands of years. 
+It only became super harmful when they started cutting corners and putting a ton of additives in it. 
+I'm almost positive that commercial tobacco in cigarettes is just brown paper soaked in a chemical concoction containing some nicotine, and a plethora of harmful stuff. 
+Also, nicotine stops covid and induces apoptosis of dead cells in your body. It also kills parasites. 
+
+Don't ever touch commercial cigarettes if you know what's good for you though. It's literally poison. And it's why everyone is now afraid of nicotine in any form. 
+
+Look into ACE2 receptors and nicotine binding.
+--- 15359605
+>>15359402
+You are talking about commercial cigarettes. Or vaping it. 
+
+Organic additive-free tobacco or the gum is legit. See >>15359594
+--- 15359872
+i use the lozenges. It does not seem to give me withdrawals upon cessation. It is addictive in the sense of habitual use. Smoking is much different. I don't recommend nicotine, and I don't warn you off of nicotine. Do what you want.

sci/15350697.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350697
+How much insurance would have to be claimed at once before the whole economy asploded?
+--- 15352608
+>>15350697 (OP)
+That wouldn't crash the economy. 
+
+A more interesting question would be "How many people have to stop paying income taxes before the IRS is disbanded?"
+Most estimates say as little as 10%, some are as high as 25%. 
+FYI, only about 55% of people pay income tax directly. The rest pay it indirectly via higher prices in other methods. 
+Also, only around 45% of people pay property taxes directly.
+--- 15355261
+>>15352608
+>FYI, only about 55% of people pay income tax directly.
+How else are they paying it?
+Never heard of a non-direct way
+--- 15357854
+>>15350697 (OP)
+$10m per person i guess idk

sci/15350705.txt

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+-----
+--- 15350705
+The solution with this is that math is a shortcut. Ultimately, the percentage calculations mean nothing, there are only 2 outcomes, either you are correct or you arent, and if we had knowledge of all the factors, we could always make the correct decision. 
+
+The math merely provides a chance. ITs essentially meaningless. Your chance of winning the loterally is 0.0003%. That doesnt mean anything if you know all the factors.
+
+A diceroll is random. Its not if you can calculate the throw, gravity, wind resistance, the material of the surface it lands on and what the dice is made of.
+--- 15350980
+>it either happens or doesn't
+--- 15351014
+>>15350980
+> Hidden variables 
+Quantum mechanics enters the room
+--- 15351025
+A one-in-two guess is better than a one-in-three guess. Sometimes the host of the show might pull the switcheroo on you before he opens the door though.
+--- 15351251
+>>15350705 (OP)
+>loterally
+What's a loterally?
+--- 15351283
+>>15351025
+>pull the switcheroo on you before he opens the door
+that's a different problem, it changes to a common 1/2.
+--- 15351287
+>>15351283
+nevermind, I misunderstood what you mean, it only keeps it as a regular 1/3
+--- 15351289
+it's an interesting problem. it exposes how people can't grasp probability at the level of comparing small differences between probability.
+
+op is at a different level of moron though.
+--- 15351306
+>>15351289
+A genius is often considered a madman or fool by the people of his age, so I thank you for the compliment
+--- 15351318
+>either you're correct or you aren't
+True, except the probability of either is not 50%
+--- 15351452
+>>15351289
+OP is talking about something different dude, you are the midwit.
+--- 15351540
+>>15350705 (OP)
+Are you saying that probability is just a tool designed to model situations with incomplete information?
+Wow, what a revelation!
+--- 15351794
+>>15350705 (OP)
+>Your chance of winning the loterally is 0.0003%. That doesnt mean anything if you know all the factors.
+It means that people who understand probability don't play the lottery
+--- 15351835
+https://warosu.org/sci/image/_Yfsujk_ipZMbRBRisE3rA
+--- 15351853
+>>15351540
+And people take it too far. They estimate 73% of success for a business.
+The fact that they have to rely on probability means there factors outside of their control they do not fully understand. Really all it means is "were reasonably confident"
+
+It doesnt really mean anything. The entire field of probability is basically a giant meme if you think about it except in games where there are many chances. 
+
+Like theres a 0.5% chance of blindness in your population and youre deciding how much of the public budget needs to go towards helping blind folk
+--- 15352087
+>>15351853
+> The fact that they have to rely on probability means there factors outside of their control they do not fully understand.
+Well of course, no one knowns the exact state of the whole universe at some given point in time.
+
+> Really all it means is "were reasonably confident"
+It could mean different things, English is weird like that.
+I think the most reasonable interpretation is that out of all the businesses that they looked at, 73% of the businesses succeeded (however they defined success) and they are assuming that the trend will continue.
+They are not saying that for each business the universe will roll a dice to see if it succeeds or not.
+They're saying that out all the future business, they expect around 73% of them to succeed and make no claim whatsoever as to which businesses specifically will fail or succeed.
+
+> It doesnt really mean anything. The entire field of probability is basically a giant meme.
+I disagree.
+Even if the outcome of some events could theoretically be calculated exactly, we might not have the practical means to do so (or doing so might just be too expensive).
+For example with the dice role, sure, assuming that there aren't any inherently random physical events, you could calculate the exact force and angle you need to get the result you want in a given specific situation. But how are you going to get the exact mass distribution of the dice? How are you going to get the temperature/pressure of the air? How are you going to know the distance from you hand to the floor? How are you going to know the wind speed? How are you going to apply that exact force?
+Accepting the uniform distribution as a model for a dice role is incredibly useful and conforms with our empirical observations.
+Data collection and computation aren't free. If a model is accurate enough for the amount of effort it saves, it's a useful and meaningful model imo.
+But yes, like all of math, people should remember that it's just a model.
+--- 15352614
+>>15351853
+>Like theres a 0.5% chance of blindness in your population and youre deciding how much of the public budget needs to go towards helping blind folk
+What's this supposed to mean? Obviously some budget needs to go towards helping them.
+--- 15352627
+>>15352087
+>But yes, like all of math, people should remember that it's just a model.
+--- 15352650
+>>15351306
+Of all the people considered idiots, most are actually idiots, not geniuses. You think you're special, but you're coming to 4channel for validation; that should tell you that you're not doing great.
+--- 15352771
+>>15352650
+Pot calling the kettle black.
+--- 15353384
+>>15352650
+Why would that imply im not doing great? Anonymous discussion is the only way to (theoretically) have less bias
+If I discuss something in person theres the issue of face
+--- 15353796
+>>15353384
+>Anonymous discussion is the only way to (theoretically) have less bias
+Yes, that's the theory. How have the past two decades of practice looked? Be honest here.
+--- 15355058
+>>15351025
+In this case, It's a 2/3 guess, being better than a 1/3 guess.
+--- 15355182
+>>15350705 (OP)
+The Monty Hall problem is a joke. THE CHANCE IS 50% EITHER WAY.
+You can test this yourself with any statistical software, pic related is my result
+--- 15355375
+>>15355182
+Your software is a midwit.
+--- 15355409
+>>15355182
+I called your software a midwit, but I was wrong. I found it online. Turns out you're the midwit because you didn't run it enough times.
+--- 15355414
+>>15353384
+>discussion
+That's kinda the point. If you had achieved anything in your life you wouldn't be 'discussing' with people on 4chan. You'd be busy with work, rolling in money, or some shit. By merely implying that discussion matters you're already showing naivete and lack of workplace experience; way to out yourself as a kid. But keep reveling in other people calling you an idiot; you are so kewl and different hehe XD.
+--- 15355477
+>>15351853
+If there's 0.5% chance of blindness that can be used to estimate the PROPORTION of blindness in a population or the MEAN number blind, which can be used to make effective decisions because extreme precidion won't change much (not much difference in decisions between 1459 people and 1470 people, so approximation is safe and efficient)
+--- 15355646
+>>15355182
+Here's a very simple mathematica simulation. Next time increase your sample size. I used 1 million, which is overkill.
+--- 15357848
+>>15350705 (OP)
+reddit spacing
+--- 15358011
+>>15357848
+Not a thing. Go be a newfag somewhere else.

sci/15350716.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,341 @@
+-----
+--- 15350716
+The reason /sci/ is a psued board full of hacks is because the people here don't know how to investigate anything from first principles. The scientism cult doesn't allow you to question the basic tenets of the cults dogma/gospels. It is why the idiots here can never come up with the correct answer, their givens and assumptions are always incorrect and they attack anyone that points this out and dared to question their high priest (a 100 level (((textbook)))). A lot of the seething retards probably do have actual autism and not having a base you can declare as the absolute unquestionable truth to draw all other conclusions is probably why they have spastic meltdowns. They can't allow anyone else to displace their bible and priests because everything they think they know crumbles of that happens and they cant deal with that
+--- 15350867
+I give this bait post a D. I was leaning towards a D+, however you invoked jews which lost you a point for lack of creativity. I would suggest studying some shit posts and bait posts before the end of semester otherwise you may fall behind
+--- 15350874
+>from first principles
+Meaningless soi buzzword. You cannot name any of these alleged "first principles". They're nothing more than an ancient meme.
+--- 15350881
+>>15350874
+Is this a "pretending to be retarded" meme post or are you really this stupid?
+--- 15350883
+>>15350716 (OP)
+Go on, say something smart, then.
+--- 15350900
+>>15350716 (OP)
+t. chopra cult drone
+--- 15350973
+>>15350716 (OP)
+>is because the people here don't know how to investigate anything from first principles. T
+I do. Some people here still abide by the scientific method
+--- 15351042
+>>15350874
+>You cannot name any of these alleged "first principles".
+The first principle is to cite authority. The second principle is that your direct experience ranks below the first principle. Authority says the distance to the moon is X. So you calculate with X when asked. You never verify X for yourself. If you do and arrive at a different answer, you're wrong because you're inferior to authority. The third principle is authority wants the best for you. Hospitals serve the cheapest sources of carbs and fat with as little protein as possible because that's the healthiest way to recover.
+--- 15351073
+>>15350716 (OP)
+Ah yes, classic schizo narrative. You are really a "free thinker" and an "intellectual", and you've got everything all figured out. The scientists and all wrong, and they're either all in on it, or they're just not as smart as a "free thinker" like yourself. 
+
+Conspiracy schizos always construct the same narrative in their heads. They are persecuted. They are right. They are heroes. Society is wrong. Society is evil. And everyone else is in on it.
+
+Take your fucking meds, and go back to your containment board. You're a mentally unstable right wing incel loser, not the troubled and independent intellectual being targeted by society, like you make yourself out to be.
+--- 15351091
+>>15351073
+>Despite various publications of results where hand-washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. He could offer no theoretical explanation for his findings of reduced mortality due to hand-washing, and some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it. 
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
+--- 15351112
+>gets thoroughly humiliated by /sci/
+>makes this in seething rage only to get humiliated again
+--- 15351113
+>>15351073
+"Schizo" is a right-wing insult. You are maybe a cunthair to the left of OP.
+--- 15351140
+>>15350881
+>can't name a "first principle"
+Thanks for confirming my point.
+--- 15351328
+>>15351073
+>>15351112
+projecting troon schizo
+many such cases
+--- 15351332
+>>15351091
+You neglect to mention that doctors accepted him as correct when a model was proposed.
+--- 15351341
+>>15351113
+Did you have a stroke while typing this post?
+--- 15351344
+>>15351332
+>You neglect to mention
+How many people died unnecessarily in the meantime.
+--- 15351349
+>>15350867
+that isnt being very charitable, it is very truthful and that alone sets it at least a B as far as troll posting goes. Most troll posting starts with a strawman premise whereas this is 100% factual
+--- 15351358
+>>15351344
+You are wasting your time. You have to understand how the mind of the NPC works. They are always right because they are citing the "authority" not any facts they can ultimately post too. This is the entire point of OP. He is always right until the book/person he views as the authority changes. Then he will be always be right for citing that too. These "people" are incapable of thinking for themselves all they are incapable of is memorizing and regurgitating memes and the funniest part is they think it makes them smart, to be able memorize and regurgitate memes because their monkey trainers trained them that way
+--- 15351380
+>>15351349
+Shut up schizo
+--- 15351381
+>>15351344
+Who fucking cares? If you want to count bodies, how many people die due to homeopathic medicines and in the past due to leeches and other religious rituals? If you want to go down that path I demand you reject religion due to how many lives it ended with its unscientific spiritual healing bs.
+--- 15351392
+>>15351380
+>seething schizo is seething
+--- 15351396
+>>15350716 (OP)
+90% scientists is just human-form of wikipedia, waste of everyones time
+--- 15351398
+>>15351073
+maybe i would get your post serious, but then i look at covid-19 and i know who's right again, sorry
+--- 15351400
+>>15351381
+That's black/white thinking. The science of football says that bicycle kicks are high risk/low reward. We would be robbed of amazing goals if every player would follow that science all the time.
+--- 15351405
+>>15351392
+You're literally hallucinating, schizo
+--- 15351423
+>>15351405
+scoop a nice, fat pile of shit out of your ass and take a massive huge bite and swallow it down shit eating schizo
+--- 15351453
+The reason why /sci/ is "filled with pseuds" is because the people who know what they're talking about are at their jobs, and the majority of posters are either shitposting or desperately trying to own zone strawman they've constructed. 
+The rest are people who have desperately clung to being the biggest brain in a small pond as their only source of superiority, and are trying to maintain that delusion with IQ scores. If you stick around long enough you'll be able to spot an anon who actually knows their shit.
+--- 15351474
+>>15351341
+No. Are you capable of forming an original thought, or is it cliches all the way down?
+--- 15351480
+>>15351140
+Retard never learnt newton's laws.
+--- 15351484
+>>15350883
+boys have a penis and girls have a vagina. This is apparently highly contested esoteric knowledge in modern day.very high iq to understand this
+--- 15351507
+>>15350716 (OP)
+Anon, the mathfags here are hardly sophomore level, quit projecting. Also, I'm pretty sure you don't know how to use group theory.
+--- 15351514
+>>15351507
+>i am very smart
+--- 15351523
+>>15351514
+That's irrelevant, OP is also a pseud.
+--- 15351524
+>>15351484
+Obviously wrong. Proof: there are girls with penises competing in weightlifting and martial arts. When you call someone a boy or a girl, not only are you assuming they have genitals without verification, which is very unscientific, you are also projecting other unverified beliefs that can be harmful, like assuming that boys are at lower risk from iron deficiency because they eat steak and don't menstruate. That's medical malpractice in a basedciety, but medical textbooks don't take social environment into account. Therefore, at least one course in gender studies must be completed to get your /sci/ degree.
+--- 15351528
+>>15351507
+Memorizing textbooks doesn't make you smart, questioning the mainstream does
+--- 15351529
+>>15350716 (OP)
+What the fuck is predictive knowledge?
+--- 15351531
+>>15351523
+or maybe he's just baited us all. Best not to waste time on this thread.
+--- 15351534
+>>15351528
+What is it with you retards and group theory?
+--- 15351535
+>>15351534
+>seething groupcel cultist
+--- 15351542
+>>15351535
+It's just a useful mathematical tool. You're the one who follows Tooker's schizophasia.
+--- 15351547
+>>15351542
+has group theory ever gotten you any pussy you little ass grabbing faggot?
+--- 15351548
+>>15350716 (OP)
+What do you expect, if you go against dogmatism of science, they jump on you like lions. If you go against dogmatism of philosophy, they again jump on you like lions. Religion? Well no meed to tell yoi about it.
+I refuse to think that people dont question things, what i think is that people feel to comftareble in ivory towers where they dont need to fight alone from all sides.
+Psychology afffects human thinking alot.
+--- 15351549
+>>15351542
+>useful mathematical tool
+not this faggot.
+so, what is your practical use of group theory?
+--- 15351554
+>>15351549
+For first it filters out midwits like you, actually that's enough.
+Beatiful isn't it?
+--- 15351559
+>>15351549
+Literally all of physics since special relativity.
+--- 15351560
+>>15351554
+so you basically never use it for anything in your life and yet you claim it is useful, how so?
+--- 15351564
+>>15351554
+So it's just a tool for academics to pretend to be superior to the common man?
+--- 15351568
+>>15351564
+Retard, did u even read the replies? >>15351559
+--- 15351574
+>>15350874
+it means starting from basic facts and physics instead of relying on "common sense" or analogies which may lead you to believe something doesnt work because it hasn't worked before, this other thing is done like x and not y so it can't work etc
+--- 15351577
+>>15351568
+but you never achieve anything in physics anon
+--- 15351579
+>>15350867
+I'm gonna guess you give it that grade because the meme mirrors your reality
+
+kill yourself
+--- 15351583
+>>15351568
+How is this "special relativity" useful in real life other than to satisfy academics delusions?
+--- 15351590
+>>15351554
+it filtered you from ever having sex
+--- 15351609
+>>15351583
+It's used everyday for GPS and nuclear physics, but usefulness isn't a necessity for scientific theories. This is /sci/ ffs, you retards are part of problem.
+--- 15351619
+>>15351609
+I'll admit I was only trolling and saying the sort of things that schizos like bodhi would find intelligent.
+--- 15351622
+>>15351609
+>It's used everyday for GPS and nuclear physics,
+fine, and you? how do you utilize it? every retard can use gps but it doesn't need to understand the internal of the system.
+--- 15351635
+>>15351619
+fuck me, I've been trolled again. You can't even tell anymore on /sci/.
+--- 15351642
+>>15351635
+Then again, it doesn't really matter, why waste your time arguing with retards?
+--- 15351666
+>>15351619
+lmao @ the seething schizo
+
+
+>>15351635
+What's really sad is that guy is an actual legit psychotic cluster B NPB so you got meta trolled
+--- 15351819
+>>15351609
+>It's used everyday for GPS and nuclear physics,nope
+>but usefulness isn't a necessity for scientific theories. 
+nope
+>you retards are part of problem.
+pot, kettle, etc
+--- 15352175
+>>15350716 (OP)
+Can your first principles build a bridge? No? Then it's boring
+--- 15352199
+>>15352175
+if you try to not be the biggest faggot in the room every once in a while you might get some pussy
+--- 15353626
+>>15350716 (OP)
+What the fuck is this post even talking about? First principles? Is this one of those schizo posts like
+>Real numbers don't actually exist hurr durr
+--- 15353871
+>>15353626
+something above your IQ level apparently. is anyone really surprised? I'm certainly not
+--- 15354204
+>>15350716 (OP)
+>Illiterate in philosophy, politics, history, literature
+Midwit detected
+--- 15354317
+>>15353644
+You're quoting different Anons and you contribute nothing to the discussion. A scientist seeks to expand understanding, not to contempt or ridicule.
+--- 15354360
+>>15354204
+That is actually based. Garbage in garbage out. If you don't read the garbage you will just let out natural ideas that are more beautiful and true.
+--- 15354369
+>>15351548
+Yes. But also there is a true reality and it is kind of a terrifying thing. The truth is kind of scary but also beautiful. It really is ALL mind and once you can FEEL what that means you start to SEE the truth. It's not really about a little tiny word or even a book full of words.
+--- 15354399
+>>15354369
+We're ER doctors and the patient is bleeding out. Quickly now: how does your perspective help this patient in a better way than the materialist perspective?
+--- 15354466
+>>15354360
+More likely you'll come up with the same shit of the trillions of humans who were born before you thinking of this same shit, who you chose to ignore, and further, when you are just flat out wrong, never know, let alone why.
+
+Meanwhile there are billions of other people building on the back of the information that those trillions passed down to them, all of which are hundreds of magnitudes more likely to come up with advancements than you are on your own.
+
+Dunno why you decided to call it quits learning from humanity how to talk, write, and type, while communicating your willful ignorance using devices that are the culmination of billions of people working together through time through generations of education.
+--- 15354474
+>>15354399
+My perspective does not say what you think it does. If someone is bleeding and dying even with my beliefs you can treat them in a way that works. Nobody has to believe materialism to perform first aid or surgery. You just have to respect the body and processes.
+--- 15354478
+>>15354466
+Just because you say big numbers doesn't make them real. It doesn't take humans thousands of generations to realize this world is an evil place. Lying isn't powerful dude.
+--- 15354488
+>>15350716 (OP)
+sounds like someone refused the vaxx
+tsk tsk
+https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYTb9DwKjQ [Embed]
+--- 15354508
+>>15354474
+You're circumventing the point that science needs to differentiate what model of reality is more valid, reliable and predective for specific purposes like medicine. Your view offers no such differentiating. If you want to criticize science, then please criticize the sneaky way they abuse facts to shill a narrative like: universe big, you small, Earth not center, therefore you're insignificant. That's insidious.
+--- 15354515
+>>15354399
+We're two fags and your as is hanging out. I insert my bbc into it very quickly. How do you respond white boi? What math formula is going to keep from enjoying this massive black log up your ass?
+--- 15354518
+>>15354508
+Yeah but anon that shit ain't science. It is based on what appears to work, what might work, what doesn't work, etc. It is scientific but not some kind of super pure thing that can only work with a philosophy that says all is matter. You just have to think critically about things. Also in the case of mental health stuff medicine is basically a complete failure. Pretty much all mental conditions are deemed life long. That is because treatment doesn't actually work. Not to mention when people discover alternative methods to help their mental and spiritual issues they get gaslit by the health system over it. And also blamed for other people's death as if your existence isn't allowed because someone else would have died without meds. Yeah medicine ain't perfect dude.
+--- 15354527
+>>15354478
+>It doesn't take humans thousands of generations to realize this world is an evil place.
+There's more to learn than that, and eventually, you'll discover that's not the case.
+--- 15354541
+>>15354527
+Sure. Actually i think you are right. The world is more of a scary place with evil things in it. But really evil things aren't in control but they do lie constantly so they can appear in control.
+--- 15354581
+>>15354518
+Politics and funding aside, science seems indeed to be an agnostic instrument to develop ''what works'', regardless what the nature of reality is. Simultaneously it does seem to assume that the observed exists independently from the observer. That assumption leads to the confusion between a shared perception and reality itself, leaving science vulnerable to politics, funding and failure.
+However, the failure of science is less about the instrument and more about how the instrument is used. For example:
+>>15354515
+In a world full of people with this kind of attitude to learning and discussing any approach is doomed to fail.
+--- 15354594
+>>15351398
+>ESL
+--- 15354602
+>>15354581
+lol that anon had a point though. Bringing up some horrible gruesome shit as a counter point is basically just a threat. It isn't something that should be taken that serious. You already know that believing materialism doesn't make you a doctor. Its just a dumb argument. I had one butthurt anon tell me I will believe materialism once they shove gasoline down my throat. Its just obnoxious threats. Really shows how full of shit the worshippers of science and matter are.
+--- 15354644
+>>15354602
+You keep circumventing the point that ''all is mind'' is unfalsifiable and you have no evidence that it is a more valid, reliable and predictive way to solve the problems you propose. On the contrary: people who claim to be spiritual and listen to guru's who promote ''all is mind'' are among the most mentally damaged and emotionally vulnerable.
+--- 15354663
+>>15354644
+lol anon it doesn't actually solve problems. It is just the natural development of the human mind. It isn't something you can erase with some dogma or something I understand in a dogmatic way. It is simply the truth and it is the path that my mind and soul automatically takes. I am not in control or deciding to realize these things I just see them. Eventually we all move on from the world as it is.
+--- 15354676
+>>15354644
+To add: first they are disappointed by the failure of psycho-logists, psychiatrists and psycho therapist, then they are ripe to be exploited by the alternatives. Neither science nor anything else can cure sick fish in the toxic water they have to live in.
+--- 15354697
+>>15350867
+I agree, the post lacks subtlety. You can just beat the /sci/tard over the head with the truth, you have to leave some breadcrumbs that they can follow IF they're intellectually honest.
+--- 15354704
+>>15351398
+Never post again, poojeet.
+--- 15354707
+>>15354663
+If your view is how you experience life, then it makes no sense to use reason to convince anyone else of what is beyond reason.
+--- 15354734
+>>15354707
+Reason is just another experience. It's just how you travel through ideas without getting lost. There is nothing wrong with using reason but it isn't everything. Really it is kind of like a comforting thing to keep you from being consumed by fear.
+--- 15354739
+>>15354581
+his argument made as much sense and was just as relevant as yours, you are just retarded
+--- 15354746
+>>15354644
+this is levels of strawman retardation rarely seen even in this retarded place. you are stupid anon, you are doomed to fail everything due to your retardation
+--- 15354752
+>>15351574
+>it means starting from basic facts and physics
+which ones? the ones that required thousands of years of thought and experiments?
+lol, fuck off /pol/cel, you'll never be a knowledgeable, stoic reinassance man
+--- 15354756
+>>15354752
+schizo retard
+--- 15356996
+>>15350716 (OP)
+>The scientism cult doesn't allow you to question the basic tenets of the cults dogma/gospels.
+and the dogma never originates from science to begin with, its all contrived for political uses. 
+homosexuality was first identifies as a mental illness, when that became politically inconvenient "the science" changed
+--- 15357172
+Rishi Dunak says boys have a penis. Hes a billionaire and a prime minister so hes qualified
+--- 15357182
+>>15354746
+Ad hominem is not a better argument than strawman and you're still circumventing the point. You lost the debate.
+--- 15357192
+>>15354734
+True. So how does this advance science? I guess I'll find out after taking an inner engineering course from Sadhguru.
+--- 15357205
+>>15354746
+Forget my responses below.
+>>15357182
+>>15357192
+I realize now that I should communicate at your level of superior intellect so here it goes: you sound like having a penis in your mouth therefore you're a retard. That's how you drag down every conversation. I suspect you're the same fag that trolled the philosophy of consciousness debates. No one wanted to play with you anymore after you killed that thread, so now you're looking for fresh blood like the vampire you are.
+--- 15358156
+>>15357205
+can't hear you with the massive tranny dong in your mouth

sci/15350862.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,644 @@
+-----
+--- 15350862
+>was an assistant professor at Harvard for 3 years
+>proposed the weak gravity conjecture with Nima Arkani-Hamed and Cumrun Vafa
+>left Harvard abruptly to become a publicist
+>writes book about the Bogdanovs
+>writes on his alt-right blog
+>"many readers are left-wing, anti-string-theory fighters. So they probably smoke marijuana and this is my modest attempt to help them."
+> "left-wing groups want to use this carbon theme as a tool for wealth redistribution."
+>"But needless to say, this is exactly what feminists, homosexualists, and other radical leftists want to do to all inconvenient biological human beings, too. If these individuals are not kept in check, like the Muslim communities, they will simply do their best to kill anyone who realizes that this left-wing ideology is cancer."
+>"rightwing people … may even be more efficient while killing – and the probable reason is that Breivik may have a higher IQ than your garden variety leftwing or Islamic terrorist."
+>blog gets boycotted by physicists and shuts down in 2022
+>b& from social media
+>now answers questions on stack exchange
+
+Cry about it.
+--- 15350877
+>still believing in the "left vs right" dichotomy
+Low IQ
+--- 15350879
+>>15350862 (OP)
+Actually iz Dolan
+--- 15350880
+>>15350862 (OP)
+i'm glad that this midwit isn't doing well
+--- 15350972
+>>15350862 (OP)
+No one said martyrdom was easy
+--- 15351074
+what a beautiful mind.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEn64S67VDc [Embed]
+--- 15351087
+>>15350877
+this desu
+>left vs right dichotomy, black vs. white, etc.
+no
+>rich vs. poor dichotomy 
+yes
+--- 15351121
+>deletes my comments
+>bans me from his blog
+>or so the simulators in Antarctica make it seem
+--- 15351125
+Sixty-Six Theses: Next Steps and the Way Forward in the Modified Cosmological Model
+>https://vixra.org/abs/2206.0152
+>http://gg762.net/d0cs/papers/Sixty-Six_Theses__v2-20220726.pdf
+The purpose is to review and lay out a plan for future inquiry pertaining to the modified cosmological model (MCM) and its overarching research program. The material is modularized as a catalog of open questions that seem likely to support productive research work. The main focus is quantum theory but the material spans a breadth of physics and mathematics. Cosmology is heavily weighted and some Millennium Prize problems are included. A comprehensive introduction contains a survey of falsifiable MCM predictions and associated experimental results. Listed problems include original ideas deserving further study as well as investigations of others' work when it may be germane. A longstanding and important conceptual hurdle in the approach to MCM quantum gravity is resolved. A new elliptic curve application is presented. With several exceptions, the presentation is high-level and qualitative. Formal analyses are mostly relegated to the future work which is the topic of this book. Sufficient technical context is given that third parties might independently undertake the suggested work units.
+--- 15351126
+>>15351121
+>>15351125
+--- 15351235
+>>15351121
+have u actually worked in theoretical physics? You seem to know some shit.
+--- 15351255
+>>15351235
+His name is jonathan tooker, hes indeed a physicist but fell on hard times
+--- 15351269
+>>15351255
+You telling me, that namefag is John Tooker? proof or gtfo.
+--- 15351276
+>>15351269
+everyone knows it is tooker newfag
+--- 15351292
+>>15351269
+My name is Jon, actually.
+--- 15351296
+>>15351276
+yo really? How'd u guys know?
+--- 15351297
+>>15351292
+--- 15351300
+Fractional Distance: The Topology of the Real Number Line with Applications to the Riemann Hypothesis
+>https://vixra.org/abs/2111.0072
+>http://gg762.net/d0cs/papers/Fractional_Distance_v6-20210521.pdf
+Recent analysis has uncovered a broad swath of rarely considered real numbers called real numbers in the neighborhood of infinity. Here we extend the catalog of the rudimentary analytical properties of all real numbers by defining a set of fractional distance functions on the real number line and studying their behavior. The main results of are (1) to prove with modest axioms that some real numbers are greater than any natural number, (2) to develop a technique for taking a limit at infinity via the ordinary Cauchy definition reliant on the classical epsilon-delta formalism, and (3) to demonstrate an infinite number of non-trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function in the neighborhood of infinity. We define numbers in the neighborhood of infinity as Cartesian products of Cauchy equivalence classes of rationals. We axiomatize the arithmetic of such numbers, prove all the operations are well-defined, and then make comparisons to the similar axioms of a complete ordered field. After developing the many underlying foundations, we present a basis for a topology.
+--- 15351308
+>>15351292
+Worthless schizo you still haven't corrected your mistake with theorem 1.9 - proposition 1.8
+--- 15351309
+>>15351300
+why do u reject ZFC?
+--- 15351313
+>>15351309
+I don't even know what ZTC is, idiot.
+--- 15351314
+>>15351296
+because he has been posting here for years. He used to use the name el archon
+--- 15351315
+>>15351313
+fuck I got u confused with this other schizo: https://www.youtube.com/@njwildberger/
+Remembering names isn't my strong suit.
+--- 15351316
+>>15351308
+stfu shit eating schizo
+--- 15351317
+>>15351314
+u and jealous have backgrounds in physics, I presume?
+--- 15351320
+>>15351317
+my background is information science but I know more about physics than 99% of the morons here, you could say this about pretty much any topic however so I guess it isnt saying much
+--- 15351324
+>>15351320
+I'm pretty sure tooker is a schizo, I mean his vixra publications are borderline word salad. I've been in the same place, felt pretty stupid when I realized my own delusions, not actual schizophrenia tho.
+--- 15351340
+>>15351324
+It helps if you actually read a textbook. Tooker, like most of his type is suffering from severe dunning-Kruger.
+--- 15351369
+>>15351324
+he does suffer from schizophrenia, yes
+--- 15351375
+>>15351369
+Well u seem just as afflicted.
+--- 15352028
+>>15351087
+based, i dont want to have to associate with filthy poors
+--- 15352239
+>>15350862 (OP)
+just some worthless nobody 
+>muh harvard
+not any more meaningful than saying he drives a benz. 
+dude decided to do nothing with his life other than pose as intellectual, unfortunate for him, many such cases. affluenza & pompous leisure class pursuits.
+--- 15355250
+>>15350862 (OP)
+>>>/pol/
+--- 15357861
+>>15350862 (OP)
+>literal who
+--- 15357920
+>>15351340
+>dunning-Kruger
+Funny way of typing Imposter Syndrome but no, still.
+>If anyone above me is brought below my level then Im basically a badass above them.
+No. Youre trying, but no.
+--- 15357931
+>>15351308
+I believe the reason that you refer to a mistake but do not demonstrate it is because it doesn't exist.
+--- 15357935
+>>15351269
+Newfag
+--- 15357938
+>>15351324
+Do you see shadow people? That's the smoking gun signal of schizophrenia
+--- 15357978
+>>15357931
+Wed led u to this Jon? You were doing just fine as an undergrad, but now you're a certified crackpot.
+--- 15357980
+>>15357978
+jews
+--- 15357981
+>>15357978
+if memory serves, he got hit hard by the #metoo movement via false allegations
+--- 15357983
+What does TIMESAND in filenames mean?
+--- 15357985
+>>15357920
+stfu retard, u couldn't even get an intro phys question correct pseud.
+--- 15357998
+>>15357980
+Did the jews tell you to publish this horseshit? 
+https://vixra.org/pdf/1807.0136v2.pdf
+--- 15358008
+>>15357985
+You never asked me and and I never answered. Even the most basic of researchers would have noticed this...yet you have not.
+>asks a basic 101 question
+You would ask one like that because its the level of answers you know...
+
+Youre not a real Physicist, are you?...
+--- 15358013
+>>15357981
+Actually, I am the starter of the #MeToo movement. This woman who was presented to me as my sister when I was a child is not the mother of the child actress McKenna Grace. I made some posts about how it was obvious that she was being molested my lechers calling their dicks "sausages," and then the next day Alyssa Milano posted #MeToo to say that she was also molested by those same Hollywood turds that call their dicks sausages. This is that "hollywood pedo elite" that you always hear about; they are foremost among my enemies.
+--- 15358020
+>>15358013
+This movie is about me, in fact.
+--- 15358022
+>>15358008
+here's a phy101 question for you: assume a habitable planet exists with gravity 3x as strong as earth. could you do the dead man's float in water on that planet? justify your answer.
+--- 15358032
+>>15357983
+I use it to demonstrate time travel. The blurb part of TIMESAND___blurb.jpg is sometimes used as a cryptographic key for files that were encrypted long before I created "blurb." For example, if you move in those circles, I think you may find the present blurb to be highly useful.
+
+The numbers at the end of the first Cicada 3301 puzzle were my DOB and SSN as well as the viXra ID's from my earlier papers
+https://vixra.org/author/jonathan_w_tooker
+
+Hi, I am Jon Tooker: the inventor of the time circuit...
+https://justpaste.me/EWWg1
+
+Mundane events related to time travel.
+http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1240030/pg1
+
+John Titor, the Montauk Project, the e-Cat and Geometric Unity
+http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread966329/pg1
+
+I am the anonymous physicist featured in the black hole article yesterday.
+https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ukbz6/i_am_the_anonymous_physicist_featured_in_the/
+--- 15358034
+>>15358022
+>here's a phy101 question
+Wrong, Teachers dont get lectured by the students. My credentials were vetted by the Pentagon, who the fuck do you think you are?!?
+
+Sit down and shut up, you muppet.
+--- 15358038
+>>15357998
+>calling it horseshit but not identifying what you believe to be a deficiency
+--- 15358041
+>>15358034
+so you admit you cannot answer a basic phy101 question. now we have evidence of your stupidity. this is your last (you) from me btw (and i mean in all threads)
+--- 15358042
+>>15358032
+>The numbers at the end of the first Cicada 3301 puzzle were my DOB and SSN as well as the viXra ID's from my earlier papers
+--- 15358044
+>>15358013
+> is **NOW** the mother of the child actress McKenna Grace
+--- 15358047
+>>15358041
+>Validate me with engagement.
+
+No. You need to learn and stop pretending you have a PhD. You clearly dont.
+--- 15358052
+>>15358013
+>she was being molested **BY** lechers 
+Oops. I need to clarify since that's an important one.
+--- 15358059
+>>15358008
+On the topic of tunneling, here's a slightly harder question:
+If I have a particle in a spherically symmetric potential which is zero until r_0 where it becomes the coulomb potential of a point charge at r = 0 such that the potential at r_0 is larger than the incident particle's energy, derive the transmission probability via the Schrödinger equation to at least first order in [math]\hbar[/math].
+--- 15358079
+>>15358059
+>My credentials were vetted by the Pentagon, who the fuck do you think you are?!?
+
+No.
+--- 15358082
+>>15358079
+That's Jordan "Memphis" Wright wearing a Jake Gyllenahll mask.
+--- 15358085
+>>15358082
+Him?
+--- 15358087
+>>15358079
+That's right, you fucking pseud.
+--- 15358092
+>>15358087
+>you fucking pseud
+Tell that to the (real) Deep State, civilian.
+--- 15358093
+>>15358085
+No, a different one. Maybe Putin's son.
+--- 15358096
+>>15358092
+Why is the real deep state fucking me so hard?
+--- 15358097
+>>15351375
+--- 15358102
+>>15358096
+To me there are two. One is the idiots meddling in TV politics and surface level FBI shit. Easily found out. The other is waaay meta, internationally oriented and has "bases" in "enemy nations".
+
+Its not really "American" even if its based in America, its truly "global earth" oriented but not "globalism" or anything like that.
+
+Not sude why, same shit for me, "growth"? To persevere? Kings of the Hill have princes vying control of what they couldnt handle anyway?
+
+Its........all so tiresome...
+--- 15358104
+>>15358038
+>I'm totally sane!!!
+stfu schizo
+--- 15358105
+>>15351375
+You aint in the club, kiddo.
+[flips coin in the air and catches it, walks back into the shadows]
+--- 15358108
+>>15358104
+>>15358105
+
+>talk about projecting me to your level
+
+Nah, we aint the same species.
+--- 15358111
+>>15358104
+This isn't even taking account all the irrelevant bs about hyperreals earlier. I'm no mathematician but I'm pretty sure u have no idea what you're talking about.
+--- 15358112
+>>15358102
+Something like this.
+--- 15358114
+>>15358104
+If you mean to have identified a deficiency, I am not getting it. Are you suggesting that I didn't add those two numbers together correctly?
+--- 15358119
+>>15358111
+>I'm pretty sure u have no idea what you're talking about.
+I feel the same way about you since you keep being non-specific about your criticisms.
+--- 15358120
+>>15358108
+Oops, thought this was at me...My mind is still realing from this; >>15358042
+
+...seriosuly...
+--- 15358132
+>>15358120
+Which is why Tooky is more based than you can ever wish to be. You will never be Jonny Tooks.
+--- 15358150
+>>15358132
+I see "schizo" I just assume its me as it follows me around here. When animals are fight it one tries to pet them they get bit...
+
+>You will never be Jonny Tooks.
+Correct. I am waaay more degenerate than he is, I can tell. A flat out heretic.
+--- 15358155
+>>15358119
+That's the thing, your bs is so dense that it's impossible to even tell what you're trying to say. You constantly invoke infinitesimals and the like without defining them rigorously, your whole argument with the golden ratio is just numerology. Crackpots all looove the golden ratio, it's not just u.
+--- 15358161
+>>15358155
+>You constantly invoke infinitesimals and the like without defining them rigorously
+That's a physics paper you cited. We don't define things rigorously in physics. We just use them and show what they do. You are stupid: that's your rigorous definition.
+--- 15358177
+>>15358155
+it's harder than that. jonathan has a hundreds of pages of rigorous definitions and corollaries in his big paper, which nobody has the patience to read through (i suspect they do, and see no issues so give up). instead, for both party's sakes, jon posts an abridged version which relies on the rigorous definitions elsewhere, and people nitpick those. when jon gives the rigorous framework, people ignore it. watch, i'll cite where he actually derives this stuff. i'm not saying he's right or wrong, merely that i lack the ability to tell. the typical explanation is that you cannot have a neighborhood of infinity, but this is done in complex analysis all the time with the riemann sphere. from what i can read, he builds everything up from scratch. if he has some fundamental flaw in his reasoning, i assume the problem should be tractable early.
+https://vixra.org/pdf/2111.0072v1.pdf
+--- 15358185
+>>15358177
+>>15358177
+>https://vixra.org/pdf/2111.0072v1.pdf 
+I agree and I have that paper posted here:
+>>15351300
+>>15351300
+--- 15358204
+>>15358104
+found you again shit eater. uncanny how I can find you in every thread isnt it?
+--- 15358209
+>>15358155
+>psued hlaf wit too stupid to understand the importance of phi
+I guess all the greatest geniuses of history were all "schizos" and you are the one true genius! JFC kys you retarded fucking mouth breather
+--- 15358212
+>>15358185
+Relevant clip for your BS.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sZr5nCRFFY&t=1218s [Embed]
+--- 15358218
+>>15358209
+>>15358212
+--- 15358229
+>>15358212
+lol, this is sad. dude, you realize you're not even talking about the same thing as tooker is, right? you're so triggered by seeing phi in some paper, that you've completely lost touch with what the context of the discussion is. to be absolutely clear, the context isn't numerology or even golden ratio. it's whether tooker's approach to math is formal, and all this stuff rests on dozens of pages of rigorous definitions and their corollaries. you're not even addressing his argument, you're just spazzing out over seeing some number. it's pathetic. i truly hope you aren't a scientist.
+--- 15358233
+>>15358229
+I was initially addressing his golden ratio paper
+>>15357998
+--- 15358240
+>>15358229
+because he is the actual schizo retard who is on this board 24/7. He never knows what he is talking about on any subject. All he can do is post nonsensical gibberish and screech schizo at everything he is too stupid to understand. I have dunked on him so hard on so many topics here any normal and sane person would have left the board in shame. He is a fucking schizo however, so he doesnt feel shame for acting schizo, he just pretends it never happened and moves on to his next spastic meltdown. It is a loop on repeat until the day he dies.
+--- 15358255
+>>15358212
+You have to delete the "s" from the end of your link if you want 4chan to go to the time in the embedding.
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sZr5nCRFFY&t=1218 [Embed]
+--- 15358258
+>>15358240
+be honest, do u understand tooker? Do u understand what he means when he says shit like: "a Fibonacci structure in spacetime"?
+--- 15358267
+>>15358212
+>>15358255
+Yeah. It seems like he says, "Throughout the history of physics there are paper after paper of people who have noticed the certain specific combinations..." If I didn't know better, I'd think you meant to suggest that my paper was conventional since I noticed that too and wrote some papers about it.
+--- 15358279
+>>15358258
+Yes, I do and have written articles about it I have posted here for years
+--- 15358280
+>>15358233
+again, i'm talking about your inability to recognize context. you want to dispute his paper on fine structure constant due to numerology? fine, you do you. why the fuck did you respond to this post, regarding his formal mathematical definitions regarding the riemann hypothesis, with your gripes against his golden ratio? it's calling poisoning the well at best. at worst, i'd say it indicates you're somehow triggered at seeing information that conflicts with your perceived reality, indicating lack of confidence but i'll stop there.
+>>15358185
+
+as for bodhi--shut the fuck up schizo. don't ever respond to my posts again.
+--- 15358281
+>>15358258
+It means the boxes in successive unit cells grow like the boxes in a familiar construction of the golden spiral, as in pic related. I'm pretty sure I put a picture of this in the paper.
+--- 15358284
+>>15358280
+HAHAHAHA shit eating retard is SEETHING because he got exposed again. Suck shit out of my asshole psued cuck
+--- 15358286
+>>15358280
+>why the fuck did you respond to this post, regarding his formal mathematical definitions regarding the riemann hypothesis, with your gripes against his golden ratio?
+--- 15358288
+>>15358280
+psued cuck
+--- 15358292
+>>15358280
+what are you gonna do now fucking hack cry about it seethe some more?
+--- 15358303
+I'm just gonna leave it here.
+https://vixra.org/pdf/1208.0076v2.pdf
+--- 15358304
+>>15358280
+>REEEEEEEEEE
+>REEEEEEEEEEE
+--- 15358316
+>bodhi's posted at least 4 posts in 10 minutes crying about being called a schizo by someone he respected and thought was on his side
+nice.
+
+@Tooker:
+some general advice for future publications. you're great at identifying patterns, but when constructing a model, you should always have a justification for why you're using that model. for example, i could easily try to model many physical phenomena in cosmology using a logistic function. and it might match some data, but i'd open myself up to many questions, all boiling down to: what's my motivation for using a logistic function? in truth, i have none. i just see something that looks somewhat like a sigmoid, and see what happens. 
+
+when is a logistic function valid? when you have a situation like dx/dt = x(1-x), or in other words some "competition" between the function and its complement. that is, the logistic function is a proper model to use for a scenario in which you can identity a clear phenomenon which is also influenced by its complement. 
+
+i haven't read your papers too closely, but i wonder if you're simply identifying patterns and that may be what's holding you back.
+--- 15358323
+>>15358303
+You grabbed that from a place right next to where there was an actual, obvious mathematical error, and yet you chose to post this instead.
+--- 15358329
+>>15358316
+Dropping your gangstalker shit into your comment is going to have adverse consequences for you later on that you will feel are unjust and not proportional. Do you have a family?
+--- 15358334
+>>15358329
+yes! are you offering to become a member? my sister is looking for a suitable husband, and i'd love to be your child's uncle.
+--- 15358346
+Let me also say this about that IQ test I took. I was in jail and I had been sitting there for weeks when suddenly this doctor showed up. He was interviewing me for a very long time, and the last thing he administered was the sequence memory test. By that time, I was bored and not really paying attention, and I did very poorly on it. In reality, my sequence memory is above average, as can be trivially verified. So, when the doctor wrote, "He tested off the charts and he would be superman if he wasn't retarded at sequence memory," what he actually meant was, "This is superman," because my sequence memory is pretty good. I might not have tested off the chart in that department, or I might have, but certainly my sequence memory is above average. The problem was that I wasn't paying attention when he was saying the numbers he wanted me to repeat. It was a failing of his own analysis that he didn't write into his report that that part of the test came at the end of a *very/ long interview and I may not have been paying attention, which I was not.
+--- 15358350
+>>15358334
+No, I was suggesting that if you have a family that you care about, you might be more prudent. I think you may not appreciate that I am the most vindictive man that ever lived or ever will live, and I do not like what you did there at all.
+--- 15358359
+Be less foolish, or else.
+--- 15358361
+>>15358359
+you'll cook dinner for me?
+--- 15358363
+>>15358361
+Then you have chosen death.
+--- 15358368
+>>15358304
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo6pZEY32Ag [Embed]
+The autistic person has engaged in erratic vocalizations and spamming during a meltdown brought on by sensory overload on 4chan. Immediate intravenous administration of 3mg clonazepam is required to stabilize his behavior.
+--- 15358375
+>>15358368
+stfu shit eating schizo
+--- 15358379
+A few years ago, some feds were piloting a bunch of slave clones in Antarctica to enact gangstalker antics against me. I guess they thought they'd get away with it since how would I ever know who's piloting which slave clone to torment me? Anyways, they were having a good old time fucking with me and they went to a concert one day, and they all got massacred with machine gun fire from nearby hotel. This was the Las Vegas shooting, and the reason it disappeared from the news immediately was because they could not have any attention called to the fact that the people who got killed were all feds involved in the above-top-secret slave clone drone program in Antarctica. I mention it because I think someone in this thread has the feeling of safety that he will never be revealed as did those drone pilots, and they're all dead now.
+--- 15358384
+>>15358316
+>respected
+HAHAHAHA holy fucking shit, you arent delusional at all
+--- 15358406
+>>15358384
+Notice the expression of loud vocalizations through 'HAHAHA', and 'REEEEE' indicating mental distress in the autistic person.
+--- 15358411
+>>15358316
+>don't ever respond to my posts again
+>bodhi's posted at least 4 posts in 10 minutes crying 
+You apparently can't make a very simple connection, calling someone else mentally ill or autistic is quite ironic and duly comical.
+--- 15358419
+>>15358406
+btw thinking some stranger "respects" you simply for speaking to you or cares about you "being on their side" is a good sign you are a bit narcissistic to go with your psychosis there friend
+--- 15358425
+>>15358411
+3mg of Clonazepam every 6 hours, and daily oral intake of 50mg Risperidone.
+--- 15358427
+>>15358425
+--- 15358435
+>>15358427
+Tell me bodhi, did you get too much love from your father as a child? Do you remember the times when he comes home smelling of beer, a hand on your shoulder and a belt in the other? Do you remember?
+--- 15358465
+>>15358435
+When was the first time you you decided to consume large amounts of your own feces? Did it come from the toilet? From your own ass? From someone else's ass? Can you remember the fragrance? The flavor of that first taste and the texture of the corn and peanuts?
+--- 15358474
+>>15358465
+The Jews forced it upon me during my detainment.
+--- 15358480
+>>15350862 (OP)
+Brought it on himself. All these people do. I don't know who decided to break the cardinal rule of the internet, but they should be fucking shot. 
+
+Never use your real name.
+--- 15358483
+It's called detention, shit cunt.
+--- 15358491
+>>15358483
+I'm sorry to know that you had to endure such torture.
+--- 15358503
+>>15358491
+I spilled the blood of these years of my life on the altar of the Lord of sacrifice.
+--- 15358509
+>>15358497
+But do you remember the taste of the feces you were forced to eat? The texture of the corn and peanuts?
+--- 15358515
+>>15358509
+It was always mixed in with other stuff so they could say, "He likes to eat shit," when I didn't understand what I was eating.
+--- 15358524
+>>15358515
+Mmmm, but did you remember the smell of it? The pungent, seductive odor of human waste trickling up your nose? The slimy consistency of it? THE PEANUTS.
+--- 15358537
+>>15358524
+>>15358509
+>This is no way mimicry
+>I am a perfectly sane individual
+the schizo always shows his true colors given a little time
+--- 15358550
+>>15358542
+Answer the questions about your shit eating memories and I will be happy to engage with you further. I need you to answer the questions first however for posterity so please be honest about scatology.
+--- 15358552
+>>15358503
+I too have been punished in my quest for TRUTH. I was with you every step of the way.
+
+For you it was magnetostatics, for me it was a realization of ancient theology.
+--- 15358557
+>>15358550
+This is textbook split-personality syndrome, we should first review your childhood Bodhi - to see where your psyche's at.
+--- 15358559
+rofl you deleted your post because you forgot to remove the name field again. You have been busted doing this before and know there is an archive. Do you think you are fooling anyone you fucking schizo? Why would you care? Everyone knows you impersonate me and cult of passion here you fucking nutjob
+--- 15358564
+>>15358559
+I am genuinely trying to help you here bodhi, you seem distressed.
+--- 15358568
+>>15358564
+not him but you are obviously fucking insane and need to stfu shit eating retard
+--- 15358575
+>>15358568
+>shit eating retard
+A classic case of coprophiliac projection.
+--- 15358577
+>>15358564
+ahhh cute, you found someone who "respects" you again.
+--- 15358585
+>>15358568
+ROFLMAO! You have just done yourself in schizo. Pathetic.
+--- 15358595
+>>15358537
+Ok shit-eater.
+--- 15358603
+>bodhi gets this triggered by being told to stfu by someone he thought he was agreeing with
+this is great entertainment
+--- 15358612
+>>15358603
+LOL! Yet again the schizo shows his true colors. Having been backed into a corner he can only play pretend. You have already been busted fuckwit.
+--- 15358621
+>schizo is having a conversation with himself
+--- 15358624
+>>15358621
+cute mirroring. add this to the infographic of how you're a schizo, please.
+--- 15358626
+>>15358621
+Seriously, bodhi can you explain to us unenlightened plebs the integral role of phi in the universe?
+--- 15358652
+>>15358621
+kys tranny. Shrek was meant for kids you fucking manchild, go circlejerk about it for updoots on reddit.
+--- 15358662
+>>15358552
+The Time Travel Interpretation of the Bible
+>https://vixra.org/abs/2304.0073
+--- 15358667
+>>15358552
+Creepy...like seeing someone wear a homemade suit to look like yourself...
+--- 15358675
+>>15358662
+Jon, you seem to have a lot of spare time to be lurking 4chan like this. Are you working from home?
+--- 15358680
+>>15358667
+>split-personality syndrome.
+I rest my case namefag.
+--- 15358697
+>>15358675
+I'm homeless.
+--- 15358700
+>>15358697
+i know you think it's beneath you, but have you tried getting a job? even some menial shit like a stockroom? i have a phd in physics and did some work like that. it was fulfilling.
+--- 15358706
+>>15358697
+Damn, what happened? I assuming your using a library computer.
+--- 15358709
+>>15358700
+>but have you tried getting a job?
+yes
+--- 15358726
+>>15358706
+I ran of money and couldn't pay rent, and I've been wandering around homeless for several years since then. Due to reasons that have nothing to do with larceny and/or credit card fraud, I have my own laptop.
+--- 15358738
+>>15358726
+https://www.crunchbase.com/person/jonathan-tooker
+"Today, Jonathan Tooker is using his experience to support his entrepreneurial dreams. Whether it is using his talents in science and math or sharing his knowledge of his fitness passions, Jonathan is ready for what the world has to offer."
+What happened to you Jon? Was it mr.zog?
+--- 15358751
+>>15358738
+That was all bullshit and I didn't write any of it. If you mean to ask if it was the jews, then yes. I don't get the zog reference.
+--- 15358763
+>>15358751
+>If you mean to ask if it was the jews, then yes.
+How so?
+--- 15358768
+>>15358763
+I don't believe "how so" is a well formatted response to "it was the jews."
+--- 15358772
+>>15358768
+Dude, I was asking you how they ruined your life.
+--- 15358785
+>>15351121
+Proof?
+--- 15358803
+>>15358621
+You were right about everything bodhi. I am forced to admit it, I do eat my own shit. This is all a desperate cry for help because I am mentally deranged. I lash out and attack you because you keep exposing me because of how easy it is to find me in every thread because I am so fucking insane and retarded. I am sorry for everything. I have to leave now because I have a fat bowl of shit right here to eat for lunch and I want to eat it while it is still warm. God bless you bodhi
+--- 15358820
+>>15358768
+Mr. Tooker are you a messenger of the One who sent you?
+--- 15358829
+>>15358768
+Lol.
+--- 15358831
+>>15358803
+wow bodhi, you learned to write anonymous posts. unfortunately for you, it's easy to identify you as the schizo you are.
+--- 15358865
+>>15358831
+It's true though, I'm in love with its aroma, it ignites a primal desire in me, a desire to consume more, its cream-like consistency and texture excites me in a way I simply cannot put into words... fecal mastication has touched me on a spiritual level, I shall not deny it anymore. God bless you bodhi. I thankyou with my deepest sincerities.
+--- 15358912
+>>15358865
+Your Potty Award, sir
+--- 15358950
+>>15358912
+Thankyou for your recognition, sir. My deepest gratitude.
+--- 15359010
+>massive sperg
+--- 15359184
+>>15358096
+I think the reason is here; >>15358503.
+
+Abel, thats you, willing to "cause harm for the Lord's work" (metaphore for outlooks on life and others, human or otherwise). I'm Cain, the one thats not willing to sacrifice others, sacroficing plants instead of an animal, wont spill blood.
+>But Cain murders!
+Yes, that was pre-flood Cain. His lineage survived by taking half (the woman) onto the boat. Its like it still "re-evolves" but the eugenics game cuts it off.
+>Two by two the animals got on the boat but one got on alone.
+Odd Cain was blessed with nigh immortality for murder, is it not?
+
+Probably means you need to learn to turn the other cheek a bit more with the bots like a neighborhood boomer, those jackasses deserve it but they always will, its a bait.
+
+I need to learn to punch some of these shitbags...even though I want nothing more than for them to learn their transgressions and repent, but they dont know "shame" for "they know not what they do". They bait me with my forgiveness, never ending second chances.
+
+Thats why Im not on speaking terms with any of my friends or family, I came in peace and love but humans dont...Cain wouldnt sacrifice another to please God.
+
+Eugenics, the whole world is a breeding program at heart. Even though these names are ancient, and much of their ways never change, parts do with time.
+
+https://youtu.be/ARrUGH2u_Uo [Embed]
+--- 15359211
+>>15358096
+Also this.
+
+I remember you saying you didnt have a problem with the torturers but did have a problem with the bystanders.
+--- 15359222
+>>15359211
+In my research it is the bystanders that are the evil ones. The ones torturing you are like a strong wind against a tree, so strong it sometimes breaks off branches...
+
+...but a tree grown in strong winds grows a strong trunk, the one that never experiences wind breaks in a storm as an adult.
+
+>A butterfly surgically removed from its cacoon often dies...because help harmed.
+--- 15359234
+>>15358503
+>>15358552
+--- 15359251
+>>15359234
+You should visit a sacred place before you die.

sci/15351166.txt

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+-----
+--- 15351166
+What are the chances that after death there's another existence which starts into another universe?
+--- 15351170
+>>15351166 (OP)
+death looks better than life with any of you
+--- 15351904
+>>15351170
+faggot
+--- 15352081
+>>15351170
+Don't say that
+--- 15352105
+>>15352081
+Every family member and friend I have ever had has grown up to betray, deeply, for the most minor of conveniences.
+
+>let you drown to keep their cloths dry
+Friends and family are for humans, you are human. 
+
+You are will be fine.
+--- 15352159
+>>15351166 (OP)
+you have these absurd fantasies because you plan to never have children. you're too selfish to ever consider caring for another human, not even your own child. hopefully hell exists and is worse than imaginable
+--- 15352162
+>>15351166 (OP)
+Where does all the information go that falls into a black hole?
+--- 15352164
+>>15352162
+Black holes don't exist.
+--- 15352178
+>>15351166 (OP)
+this is my favorite movie of all time
+--- 15352282
+>>15352159
+I have a genetic autoimmune disease and I'm not a selfish garbage human being to think to have children to pass my disease on.
+--- 15352290
+>>15351166 (OP)
+the entropy of death is the great eraser that no sentient being can pass through intact
+--- 15352292
+>>15351166 (OP)
+The chances are greater than you might think. Materialism is not a good argument against the possibility of an afterlife because the scientific method is explicitly designed to exclude conscious experience.
+--- 15352556
+>>15351166 (OP)
+given our lack of data besides anecdotal, there is nothing we can compute.
+--- 15352566
+>>15351166 (OP)
+50/50. It either happens or it doesn't My personal hope is we get some sliders to move around or some shit to get some agency into what universe we get shot into after the 1st run or at least some stat sliders.
+--- 15352595
+Very high, IMO.
+--- 15352635
+>>15351166 (OP)
+>What are the chances that after death there's another existence which starts into another universe?
+Infinite, if you believe in infinity. Perhaps you have already lived in many of them before this one?
+--- 15353274
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_cyclic_cosmology
+--- 15354043
+>>15353274
+tldr
+
+What's the synthesis for a brainlet?
+--- 15354410
+>>15352105
+...Do you wanna talk about it?
+--- 15354509
+>>15354410
+Nah, probably next week Im going to Thailand to smoke weed on the beach and plan out this long ass trip.
+
+Gunna go for a looong walk to think about...idk...shit and stuff...
+--- 15354548
+>>15354509
+Doxed yourself genius
+--- 15354623
+>>15354548
+Catch me mf...I be flyin all up in dem hoods, throwin up the set fr. These Anthropological field research trips be hard as a mf.
+
+https://youtu.be/IFTVxJtLRLo [Embed]
+--- 15354637
+>>15351166 (OP)
+none, grow up
+--- 15354682
+>>15354637
+>only lives once
+--- 15354684
+>>15354637
+Proof?
+--- 15354706
+>>15354684
+Me. Die, reborn, die, reborn. Why do you think religions keep talking about next Jesus or Buddha or whatever?
+
+>proof
+For thousands of years it keeps happening, THATS the proof. Whether or not you believe is irrelevent, nornies are stupid....
+--- 15354774
+>>15354706
+Proper proportion and magnitutde of each variable, yields...
+
+What seems counter logical noe is onpy so because its final form is yet revealed and fully understood.
+--- 15355267
+>>15353274
+>>15354043
+CCC people think of a perfectly repeating universe as some possible afterlife mechanism. If anything, CCC throws into question our conception of time as a function of entropy. If I can say this configuration existed before some entropic reset, and will again, then I now have a new "dimension" of time; U1, U2.... , so now there's some larger set that includes the entropic rebounding. Just being able to reference a prior incarnation and a later one btfos the whole "the forward arrow of time is entropy" argument. 
+
+Doesn't help with the OP but its something to consider.
+--- 15355292
+>>15354774
+I like this other one with gamma in it.
+--- 15356312
+>>15352162
+Radiation
+--- 15356324
+>>15351166 (OP)
+Extremely high and demonstrably so since NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die.
+
+>b-b-but NDEs are dreams or hallucinations somehow!!!!!!1!
+Already explicitly refuted in the literature on NDEs pseudoskeptics never actually read.
+
+Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:
+
+https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o [Embed]
+
+It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:
+
+https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist 
+
+>"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"."
+
+Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE, the same thing is happening, but on a higher level, as you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.
+
+Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:
+
+>"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved."
+
+Needless to say, even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs.
+--- 15357825
+>>15355267
+>>15354043
+I like Sir Roger Penrose.
+--- 15357847
+>>15355292
+Can you explain what it is and its relation to the rest. I struggle to read this type of hieroglyphs.
+--- 15357866
+>>15352159
+>you have these absurd fantasies because you plan to never have children. you're too selfish to ever consider caring for another human, not even your own child. hopefully hell exists and is worse than imaginable
+--- 15357893
+>>15357866
+Sorry, but it has been proven that you fantasyfags don’t have souls. AI is best at generating art and imaginative stories and scenarios. You are literally more of a bot then manual wagies who pick up heavy items and move them around.
+--- 15357901
+>>15357893
+>more of a bot then manual wagies who pick up heavy items and move them around
+Excuse you.
+--- 15357992
+>>15357847
+Ah, Photon, kk.
+--- 15358253
+>>15357901
+Yeah, on that gif the bot still is fucking it up, meanwhile ChatGPT can produce superior stories to any of you ultrafaggots. The fact that we figured out creativity in machines by just on accident making them sometimes lie on random topics or misremember is to me enough proof that all creative fields were not literal drooling retards, all the famous literary people that wrote fiction, all retards, every single one of them.
+--- 15358478
+>>15352282
+Gene Editing solves that problem.
+--- 15359805
+>>15358478
+I have no money and I live in a semi third world shit hole.

sci/15351406.txt

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+-----
+--- 15351406
+>Carry a full cup of tea at a mild jog up a flight of stairs and never spill a drop
+>Carry a full cup of tea from the table to my mouth in daylight and I spill half of it
+Care to explain this?
+--- 15351408
+>Carry a full cup of tea at a mild jog up a flight of stairs *with the lights out and never spill a drop
+--- 15352418
+>>15351406 (OP)
+dead internet theory
+--- 15352461
+your footsteps go out of synch when you observe and try to walk carefully
+--- 15355243
+skill issue
+--- 15357852
+It's all psychological

sci/15351786.txt

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+-----
+--- 15351786
+This midwit mountain meme goes out to all of the repulsive lazy delusional pencil neck nerds who erroneously presume that they can substitute larping as an intellectual for putting in the time and effort needed to develop a powerful masculine physique.
+--- 15351792
+>>15351786 (OP)
+Sexist image but contains truth
+--- 15351845
+>>15351786 (OP)
+>compared to truth and goodness
+Other paths exist.
+ Back to /fit/
+--- 15352123
+>>15351786 (OP)
+Old Roger Scrotum also says
+>Coming close to death you begin to know what life means, and what it means is gratitude
+Kind of on the opposite end of vanity there. Though it sounds like he just says any old shit that pops into his scrotum shaped head
+https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2020/01/13/10-quotes-sir-roger-scruton
+--- 15352216
+>>15352123
+>pencil neck sissy attempts to mock someone else's physical appearance
+--- 15352226
+>>15351792
+Truth is sexist so it always will contain it.
+--- 15352256
+>>15351786 (OP)
+>time and effort
+No amount of time and effort will make a manlet, facelet, wristlet and voicelet attractive. It's 100% genetics.
+--- 15352259
+>>15352123
+Scruton risked his life as a book smuggler, what have you done with your life?
+--- 15352260
+>>15352256
+>facelet
+no, you're ignoring diet and developmental issues from things like baby dummies destroying the dental structure
+--- 15352270
+>>15352216
+>needle neck nigger also doing the thing
+>>15352259
+I believe that's a logical fallacy. You can criticize me but I will still criticize him
+--- 15352327
+>>15352260
+I always had good diet and perfectly healthy teeth but my face is the epitome of an ugly beta nerd.
+--- 15353535
+>>15352256
+just an excuse for your lazy lackadaisical leisurely limp wristed lifestyle
+--- 15354652
+>>15351792
+tits or gtfo
+--- 15354727
+It is true that it's human nature to chase that which we consider "beautiful", be it a person, place, field of expertise, action. But it's stupid to say that is "logical" in any way, it's simply our feelings and desires influencing our actions.
+--- 15354747
+>>15351786 (OP)
+fkn saved
+--- 15354754
+>>15352256
+>muh fictional jewish movie says it so that means my nihillism is justified
+--- 15354764
+>>15354727
+>it's stupid to say that is "logical" in any way
+Proper proportion and magnitude would yield the greatest efficiency and ability, even is a system of equations, and if then pushed to it irreducible limits, would yield fundemental reality unchanging for eternity.
+
+It would be illogical to choose anything else.
+--- 15354776
+>>15354764
+erp
+>>15354774 →
+--- 15356672
+Imagine calling yourself a scientist and then presuming that its a good idea to by physically unhealthy.
+--- 15357325
+>>15356672
+>i'm too smart to need to take care of my body
+>i can't figure out why women aren't attracted to me
+low iq
+also physically weak
+--- 15357338
+>>15351792
+>Sexist
+And It's A Good Thing
+--- 15358729
+>>15354754
+Science people all presume that they're intelligent and boast about it loudly, but inability to differentiate between on screen fiction and IRL is a feature of a 80-110 IQ brain. They're incapable of watching a movie and spotting the logical flaws and plot holes.
+--- 15358747
+>>15356672
+going to the gym takes up precious time that could be spent doing something important. if somebody is ripped, and they aren't making money from it, it means they have too much time on their hands.
+--- 15359001
+>>15351786 (OP)
+True and real.
+--- 15359005
+>>15352256
+Nah, 99% of women are hardcoded to be fuck toys, to be used for fun and breeding. As long as you have enough power those bitches will bend over.
+--- 15359258
+>>15358747
+You will always be able to invent an excuse for your laziness
+>b-b-but i'm too busy
+>however i have plenty of time to spare for social media like 4chan
+transparent lie, you're just lazy

sci/15351854.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,25 @@
+-----
+--- 15351854
+Since lipid makes up the plasma membrane, then would fat people's plasma membranes be stronger and more secure?
+--- 15351863
+No, you would still have the same amount of lipid’s in each cell’s membrane otherwise it would be bigger. The extra carbohydrates, fat isn’t stored as lipids btw, are stored in specialized cells just for them.
+--- 15351875
+>>15351854 (OP)
+yes, everything about larger people is stronger, thats why they make manlets chimp out. 
+fear begets loathing 
+the big guy could snap the manlets in half like a twig, i wish he would, they deserve it for lazily choosing to live as sissies
+--- 15351883
+>>15351863
+Oh. Lolz
+--- 15351886
+>>15351854 (OP)
+The plasma membrane of a cell is not directly related to the overall body fat of a person. The plasma membrane, also called the cell membrane, is a lipid bilayer made up of phospholipids, proteins, and other molecules. Its primary function is to provide a barrier and maintain the proper internal environment for the cell while selectively allowing specific molecules to pass through.
+An individual's body fat is primarily stored in adipose tissue, which is composed of specialized cells called adipocytes. These cells are designed to store and release energy in the form of triglycerides. However, the composition and structure of the plasma membrane of these adipocytes or any other cell in the body are not directly affected by the amount of body fat an individual has.
+In summary, having more body fat does not make a person's plasma membranes stronger or more secure. The composition of the plasma membrane is consistent across individuals, regardless of their body fat percentage.
+--- 15351899
+>>15351886
+That makes more sense.
+--- 15355201
+lose some weight
+--- 15357832
+No just stretchier

sci/15352280.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,112 @@
+-----
+--- 15352280
+Why do East Asian men experience less hair loss compared to men of other races?
+--- 15352384
+>>15352280 (OP)
+rack of testelone
+--- 15352387
+>>15352384
+Testosterone doesn't cause hair loss pol chud
+--- 15352388
+>>15352387
+How would you know?
+--- 15352494
+>>15352280 (OP)
+you might notice that their hair is quite coarse and thick. This is genetic of course, but like some families are predisposed to hair loss, they are not because of this coarse and thick hair. It is often the case that they can't shape their hair so much either, since it is so coarse. Different genes.
+--- 15352553
+>>15352280 (OP)
+the name of the east asian legume that causes low t isn't allowed on 4chan, its censored in order to prevent us from discussing it
+--- 15352597
+>>15352553
+>its censored
+>its based
+>because we live in a based city
+>with based boys
+>and based dentists
+--- 15352624
+>>15352280 (OP)
+>Why do East Asian men experience less hair loss compared to men of other races?
+Much less testosterone to convert into DHT. 
+That's why they are mostly tiny, smooth, and stringy and look like 10 year old boys. 
+Makes for feminine women though, especially Japanese. Chinese women are too squat and round.
+--- 15353054
+>>15352387
+Highly elevated levels of DHT doesn't cause hair loss? You get your endocrinology info from snapple facts or something?
+--- 15353065
+>>15353054
+yes so dht. not testosterone exactly. if youre sensitive to dht you will bald
+--- 15353068
+>>15352280 (OP)
+--- 15353089
+>>15352280 (OP)
+Stress. East Asian workplaces are fucking horrible, not to mention the shit you're going to get at home if you're married.
+Everyone I know who has a dysfunctional marriage is balding or is bald.
+--- 15353127
+>>15353065
+>dihydrotestosterone
+>dihydroTESTOSTERONE
+>not testosterone exactly
+--- 15353129
+DHT grows the penis when exposed in utero and also is responsible for beard growth. that's why asians have full hair, baby dicks and no beards
+
+/thread
+--- 15353186
+>>15353127
+wow brilliant. are you really trying this shtick on the science and math board?
+--- 15353199
+>>15353186
+Calm down low T Asian femboy.
+--- 15353204
+>>15353199
+oh now im asian. whatx next?
+--- 15353226
+>>15353204
+>t.
+--- 15353248
+>>15353204
+next, put on these stockings
+--- 15353294
+>>15353065
+>yes so dht. not testosterone exactly.
+DHT is made from testosterone. 
+More testosterone = more DHT. 
+That's why the old saying "Bald men are more virile" and tend to be more muscular is true.
+--- 15353303
+>>15353294
+Only problem is that Vin Diesel is extremely stupid. 
+I have some nostalgia for the movies he is in but the guy is a massive retard.
+--- 15353799
+>>15353303
+Who asked
+>>15352387
+Google allopecy and DHT you retarded nigger and then kys.
+--- 15353967
+>>15353054
+>>15353799
+>Everyone has the exact same distribution of DHT receptors on their scalp
+Kek
+--- 15355623
+>>15353967
+>>Everyone has the exact same distribution
+Who said that ? Strawman.
+--- 15355697
+Neoteny. This fact makes a lot of men uncomfortable because they put a lot of their identity into their manliness which is often ugliness.
+--- 15355730
+>>15352280 (OP)
+have you never heard of the fat bald bastard tripe? All Japanese men's lives end in baldness which gives them power to rape with imputiny
+--- 15355986
+>>15355623
+The thread is about hair loss. Testosterone was brought up but DHT is irrelevant without the proper receptors on the hair follicles that will make them fall out. Women experience female pattern baldness too so it obviously isn't about DHT concentrations since DHT is omnipresent but DHT follicle receptors aren't.
+--- 15358336
+>>15352597
+soi.onions.5oy.onions.soibean.basedbean.5oybean.yos.yosbean.lio naebyos. so i y. soiy. s o y. s o i.
+--- 15358345
+>>15358336
+>soi
+>ios
+--- 15358571
+western chuds should check their food.
+>started balding when I came to America.
+>went back to my country for a couple of months
+hair grow again.
+why do fucking greedy cunts in western countries put so much chemicals in their shitty food? they're not even tasty.

sci/15352284.txt

@@ -0,0 +1,236 @@
+-----
+--- 15352284
+So if the universe is infinite in size and roughly uniform in all directions, wouldn't that mean that if I travelled in any direction, the earth would just repeat itself an infinite number of times?
+
+What am I missing???? (I made this post an infinite number of times already)
+--- 15352294
+If the universe is infinite then there is a chance there is a second earth with humans. But, consider how small this chance is, it has to exist, the chance is just very small and the probability to find this earth is about as zero as the amount of women you fucked as well as high as the amount of cocks you sucked
+--- 15352313
+>>15352294
+
+non zero multiplied with infinity equals infinity retard
+--- 15352369
+>>15352284 (OP)
+Rare deep water nigger
+--- 15352373
+>>15352284 (OP)
+I mean technically yeah. It's not though and you would have to travel across an absurdly large amount of space to find just one other Earth
+--- 15352715
+>>15352284 (OP)
+Yes. You can calculate it as well: just take the volume of the observable universe as well as every "pixel" (I would use "atom", but it would confuse a 90 IQ reader) of it, which may be equal to the planck scale, and calculate the number of permutations. After a certain distance, there cannot be any new permutations, i.e. one (the one you are interested in) repeats. It turns out the distance to identical observable volume is like 10^120 meters away.
+Naturally, the next identical Earth is ridiculously closer.
+--- 15352733
+But that would be silly. There should be a scientific principle which we can use to dismiss theories based on the silliness of their implications. First we need a scientific way to measure silliness though.
+--- 15352794
+>>15352733
+
+you just say that because you can't grasp what infinity means
+--- 15352891
+>>15352715
+do you mean that in an infinite universe, after some distance the content within the universe must repeat ? Why would it repeat ?
+--- 15352922
+>>15352891
+>content within the universe
+Within the observable universe.
+It's the bubble of observable stuff centered on the Earth. Outside the bubble there is more universe.
+>Why would it repeat ?
+Because in a finite volume, there is only a limited number of arrangements (permutations) of stuff.
+This is equivalent to the statement that in a finite volume, there can not be an infinite way how stuff can be arranged. This should be very logically obvious and intuitive.
+--- 15353645
+>>15352922
+The question was about an infinite volume though not a finite volume. There could also be infinite undiscovered types of particles in which case nothing would repeat
+--- 15353652
+>>15352284 (OP)
+>if the universe is infinite in size
+it isn't
+--- 15353691
+>>15353645
+>The question was about an infinite volume though not a finite volume
+Are you fucking stupid? Can you really not parse my post? Yes -- I talk about finite volumes as distributed over infinite space -- you know what, I give up. Try to read both my posts again, with 20 or 30 IQ points more if it helps you.
+
+Everyone else, how do I explain this to someone so phenomenally stupid?
+--- 15353697
+>>15352284 (OP)
+Humans can't comprehend infinities, so don't bother
+--- 15353716
+>>15353691
+Nothing you've said so far makes any sense
+--- 15353744
+>>15353708
+>you have poor communication skills because you're low iq
+>No U
+Get a brain. Get creative.
+>you also have low emotional self control
+Do you always give people unsolicited advice? What exactly is going through your brain when you are doing that? Do you think you offer interesting or even helpful insights? Do you such a statement serves as "banter"?
+>and your sci-fi space fantasies are cringe
+In case you are the astute reader, I did not make the thread. I just confirmed to the OP it's mathematically likely.
+>>15353716
+I pity you. Truly.
+--- 15353772
+>>15352284 (OP)
+The universe would be infinite because you would be the one expanding it. You're not necessarily going to find anything.
+--- 15354134
+>>15352922
+Just because there's a finite number of permutations doesn't mean that all of them occur multiple times (or even once). Retard
+--- 15354150
+>>15354134
+Sure, there infinitely small chance that it does not repeat.
+But the chance that it does repeat is infinitely close to 100%, so...
+--- 15354175
+Yes, but you will need to travel for an infinite amount of time before you reach it. So bring a book to read.
+--- 15354337
+>>15354175
+That was a silly joke but it made me chuckle.
+--- 15354371
+>>15352284 (OP)
+"Roughly uniform" isn't really a rigorous definition so the question as you've posed it isn't possible to answer. If by roughly uniform you mean that every combination of atoms has an equal probability of occurring, then the answer to your question is yes, but that is almost certainly not what you mean. Ultimately it comes down to whether the probability of an identical Earth existing in any arbitrary region of the universe is positive. If it is, then the answer to your question is yes, assuming of course that your assumption about the universe being infinite also holds true.
+
+By the way, this question reminds me of the concept of normal numbers.
+--- 15354425
+>>15352284 (OP)
+All evidence points towards the universe having a finite amount of matter in it. (Otherwise, among other things, there'd be no space between the matter, nor lack of uniformity in the CMB, nor would acceleration of expansion outstrip gravity.)
+
+But if there were an infinite amount of matter you wouldn't have any Earths to repeat, just a singularity.
+--- 15354504
+>>15354425
+
+I believe all those things are explained by dark matter...
+--- 15354544
+>>15354504
+Dark matter is nonbaryonic matter that ADDS more gravity to the mix, it doesn't subtract from it. You maybe thinking of dark energy, but that arises from a vacuum state you simply don't have with infinite matter.
+--- 15354665
+how can there be finite matter in an infinite universe if the big bang happened everywhere at the same time?
+--- 15354686
+>>15352284 (OP)
+Well that's because the universe is finite, not infinite and a majority of "science" especially when it comes to nonsense like astrophysics and quantum physics is quite literally just science fiction larp that has no basis on how people's day to day lives function. In other words, you got swindled.
+--- 15354696
+I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WHOLE UNIVERSE!! 
+MY IQ IS SO BIG OMG!!!
+NO, I AM NOT A MENTAL CASE WITH SEVERE DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR, I REALLY DO KNOW EVERYTHING 
+I'M LIKE GOD, TRUST ME
+BUT ALSO I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, WHAT A STUPID STORY RIGHT!?!?
+NOBODY COULD EVER BE SMARTER THAN ME
+--- 15354725
+>>15352284 (OP)
+>What am I missing????
+The number of elements to this earth is also infinite, so the answer is no. For one, the sky will be always different, and sky does influence the earth. But if you lower your expectations, and recognize any planet with similar gravity and similar concentrations in the atmosphere, and similar radiation level, then the answer is yes, earth-like planets are not that rare.
+--- 15354781
+>>15354725
+
+no , I'm talking equal down to each quantum state
+--- 15354786
+>>15354725
+Dumbest post ITT. Incredible.
+--- 15354859
+>>15353691
+Everything you said is fine man
+--- 15354874
+>>15354781
+infinite monkeys
+--- 15354878
+>>15352715
+This is seriously flawed logic. From your logic of a finite number of permutations, it does follow from the pigeonhole principle that at least one such permutation must repeat itself in an infinite space. It does NOT follow that every possible permutation repeats. For example, it could be that outside the bounds of the observable universe there is nothing but emptiness, no matter at all. 
+
+By the way we're both using the word permutation wrong but who cares.
+--- 15355100
+>>15354878
+
+>bounds of the observable universe there is nothing but emptiness,
+
+but an observer 80 billion light years away would have their own observable universe as big as ours
+--- 15355177
+>>15354696
+lol
+spacefags are the cringiest of all the cringe in science, even lower than mathtrannys
+--- 15355520
+>>15354781
+Then I doubt there's another earth out there, even in the infinite space, because the infinite complexity of this world is an infinity of a larger order than the infinity of the unlimited space.
+--- 15355527
+>>15354878
+It's very counterintuitive so I understand your frustration. It's not that the possibility -- somehow independent of the following considerations -- is 1, it's that the limit of it approaches 1, as we have an infinite series of such finite volumes. The hard part to accept is that this is mathematically equal to 1.
+>>15354134
+Yes, this is correct. It's not, inherently, bound to happen. But you also need a reason to reject the claim that it can not happen. Or in other words, you need to come up with an explanation why it (repetition) shouldn't happen. For example, one such explanation would be that "event A" happens when our observable universe is perfectly mirrored, so that it collapses into a black hole. You need something like that. 
+Besides, we are not even interested in all *possible* permutations, but only one -- and as it happens, this one permutation is absolutely physically viable. If anything, the likelihood that our volume of space repeats at least once (= i.e. infinitely) is *higher* than any possible random arrangement of matter or at least galaxies and stars.
+--- 15355754
+>>15355520
+
+the arrangement of atoms of earth is not infinitely complex...
+--- 15355770
+infinity is a dumb concept, by it's nature it appeals strongly to those with delusions of grandiosity and nobody else
+--- 15355777
+>>15355754
+It is infinitely complex, because the exact position of each atom can have infinite ammount of position, if you demand the ABSOLUTE exactness. Also don't forget the radiation from the space, of which each point inn the universe has different picture.
+--- 15355780
+>>15355770
+the concept of infinity scares the midwits
+--- 15355787
+>>15355777
+>retard doesn't understand degrees of freedom
+--- 15355792
+>>15355787
+>retard doesn't understand the absolutes
+--- 15355794
+>>15355792
+>retard still posting
+Consneed and I will spare you
+--- 15355803
+navel gazing thread for pretentious know-it-alls who mysteriously know everything about the universe but can't see to make anything of themselves here on earth.
+--- 15356678
+>>15354665
+The say it did because space didn't exist at the same time with the energy. The bang in big bang was space being created for the energy to cool down into the particles we see today. It touched everywhere because every where was pretty close at the time.
+--- 15356822
+>>15352284 (OP)
+Yes, if the universe is infinite, there are infinite replicas of earths with identical species, even identical histories. The chances of that happening right next to us is in the realms of 10^10^10… But as long as there is a chance of that happening, it probably happens, or will happen, or did happen somewhere in the endless universe.
+--- 15356826
+>>15355527
+>It's very counterintuitive so I understand your frustration. It's not that the possibility -- somehow independent of the following considerations -- is 1, it's that the limit of it approaches 1, as we have an infinite series of such finite volumes. The hard part to accept is that this is mathematically equal to 1.
+Wow, you have an extremely condescending style despite the fact that you are also an idiot.
+
+I'm not going to give you a detailed response because you don't deserve it. All I will say is this: "if something is infinite it must include every possibility" is every midwit's favourite misunderstanding of infinity. The simple counterargument is this: there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but it doesn't include the number 3. If there is infinite space in the universe, that doesn't mean every possible combination of atoms is contained therein.
+--- 15356832
+>>15355100
+Impossible to know for sure. We can not make any statements about things we can not observe or measure. What exists outside the observable universe is unknown.
+--- 15356837
+>>15356782
+You should have at least one argument. This is eminently doable. Insults just make you sound like a screeching schizo.
+
+You can start by trying to disprove my claim (which is part of a rather elementary undergrad and even high school math curriculum) that an infinite series approaching a limit of 1, is mathematically equal to 1. Of course, as we have defined 1 to be the probability that it repeats.
+
+You can use this article as the starting off point for your middle-school transcending math education:
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_(mathematics)
+
+I see in the meantime, you have tried to substantiate your claim, with you likely about to shamefully delete your original merely insults-containing post.
+
+>>15356816
+>I'm not going to give you a detailed response because you don't deserve it.
+Why do you sound as if I personally hurt you? Don't come on 4chan and let your frustration out on me just because your blue-collar job has made you frustrated,
+>All I will say is this: "if something is infinite it must include every possibility" is every midwit's favourite misunderstanding of infinity. The simple counterargument is this: there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but it doesn't include the number 3. If there is infinite space in the universe, that doesn't mean every possible combination of atoms is contained therein.
+This is an analogy, and an unfitting one. As said in my post here >>15355527
+>>15355527, you need to provide a reason why it can't repeat. Do you understand what my point is that in a finite volume (such as the observable volume), there can only be a limited number of arrangements of particles? As such, every further such volume increases the chance that a copy occurs. This just follows from basic induction. The number of further such chances is infinite.
+
+Anyway, maybe you are more receptive to a pop, dumbed down treatment of this matter: https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/PDF/multiverse_sciam.pdf
+--- 15356841
+>>15356837
+Fuck, I was hoping nobody would notice I deleted and rewrote my post twice :(
+--- 15356901
+>>15356837
+Yeah I skimread this entire post and you're a complete idiot, probably no educational background in mathematics or logic whatsoever. Despite this you are convinced you are a genius and that you must talk down to everyone else on /sci/. I have a degree in mathematics so I actually understand the concept of infinity, there's no point trying to have a debate with you when you're essentially a child compared to me.
+--- 15357473
+>>15356901
+>Despite this you are convinced you are a genius
+This is the embarrassing part: I don't. I just find my IQ delightfully high-but-unremarkable (mid 130s). The thing is, you may have read the papers that suggest that people with 30 IQ difference essentially find no common ground in discourse anymore. Well, this is precisely what is happening here.
+>I have a degree in mathematics
+No you have not.
+>so I actually understand the concept of infinity
+Your one example where you tried to elaborate your conception of it, you floundered and embarrassed yourself by picking an ill-advised invalid example. And let me restate that this still was your one angle of attack. We still have no idea what your precise issue or argument. You are acting not quite unlike a chimp shitting himself in his plexiglass enclosure and flinging his shit everywhere, but refuses to elaborate. How about the pop PDF I linked that contains the explanation? Was it still above your level?
+Have you taken an Algorithms and Probability course in your fictitious math education?
+--- 15357802
+>>15357473
+Okay, I see now that you're an ESL. Probably a pajeet which would explain a lot about your attitude.
+--- 15357827
+>>15357473
+My first reply to you was in good faith, I politely explained the flaw in your logic. You chose to:
+1. reply like a condescending asshole
+2. ignore everything I wrote in my post, most likely because you weren't able to understand it
+
+You started the discussion by assuming that you're right and anyone who disagrees with you simply doesn't understand what you're saying. That doesn't make for a conductive debate, and I'm not going to bother trying to explain it in a different way because you still won't understand. Read this post >>15354878 carefully (as carefully as is possible for an ESL like you) and try to figure out what I'm saying. Hopefully you'll figure it out eventually.

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+-----
+--- 15352301
+Are medical errors really that common?
+
+I've been looking at some statistics and the number of people who die from medical error is higher than I thought and I wanted to know if that's really the case.
+--- 15352364
+This is the old number on medical errors, the 3rd leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer. After factoring the deaths caused by "Covid-19" treatment and vaccines, medical error will probably rocket into first place. 
+Of course its not an error when a doctor kills a patient treating a nonexistent viral epidemic, thats murder. At the turn of the century, medical error wasn't even in the top 10, thats how rapidly the medical community deteriorated from being an asset to society into being one of the worst problems.
+--- 15352524
+>>15352301 (OP)
+Yes, and it is only getting worse. Real medical care is a highly personalized endeavor, requiring sharp, quick, and flexible thinking to identify patient problems and determine the best treatment options. Unfortunately, our system is designed to be the opposite, a very rigid set of practices created by health organizations and governing bodies that only work if you have a very common issue. Doctors are trained to be guideline parroting monkeys, and many of them aren't smart enough to offer any more than that anyway. Enter the medical system with any rare and serious medical condition, and you will find all this out firsthand. These days, medical schools are explicitly reducing educational standards even further to protect "muh diversity," so we have nowhere to go but down.
+
+And that is without even getting into the hundreds of billions of dollars pharmaceutical companies spend lobbying regulators and developing med school curricula to influence all these established practices. 
+
+The good news is that GPT-5 will almost certainly be better at medical diagnosis than 97% of doctors. Then we will only have to rely on them for surgeries.
+--- 15352781
+>>15352301 (OP)
+Doctors shouldn't be expected to not kill the patient. A few deaths per week per doctor is totally normal. Should builders be expected to build a building that doesn't fall down? I see buildings falling down every day. Being a doctor is way harder too because all the parts of the body have funny names that are hard to remember and the body parts are small and buildings are less small. If a doctor isn't sure about performing a procedure then they should just perform it anyway so they get the money, that way everyone is happy
+--- 15352787
+That wouldn't have happened if you'd been treating other people the way you'd like to be treated. When you rejected the law of the Lord, it wasn't an accident. You knowingly chose Satanism.
+--- 15352789
+>>15352301 (OP)
+>Are medical errors really that common?
+The #1 cause of death in hospitals is medical errors, causing an average of 750,000 deaths a year in the USA alone. 
+
+Funny how in recent years the medical establishment has been trying to downplay that fact and lying about deaths now, reporting the number is as low as 300,000 deaths a year due to medical errors. 
+
+NEVER trust the medical complex.
+--- 15352812
+>>15352301 (OP)
+not only are they erros, but sometimes they're outright malignant to the patient in order to sell their brand new ULTRAEFFECTIVE medicine TM.
+
+I'm not even talking about the covid 19 vaccine as its a devisie topic, but Im talking about all the possible treatments for say cancer or diabetes.
+
+a lot of doctors, not all of them, but some morally questionable ones definitely recommend the most expensive or the brand that sponsored him with a couple of donations last year.
+
+i don't live in the us and its a problem here too, I can only imagine it's worse in the us of a with all those expensive health insurances. Though eu drones aren't doing too good either, the medicine costs the same probably it's just that the state foots the bill most of the time, so in the end the consumer/contributor/citizen gets ripped off by pharma one way or the other
+--- 15352818
+>>15352789
+Yes but think about the doctors. There has been cases where the doctor will accidentally kill a patient because they didn't know what to do and it was embarrassing to tell anyone so they performed the procedure anyway. And then the doctor might be paid over a month late for their service causing them to miss a payment installment on their 3rd BMW. Did you think of that?
+--- 15352819
+>>15352301 (OP)
+It's self reported by medical professionals, isn't it? The real numbers are undoubtedly an order of magnitude higher.
+--- 15352825
+>>15352819
+yeah we get it youre a retarded trumptard
+--- 15352833
+>>15352301 (OP)
+Look at other technical, complex fields that involve complex systems and troubleshooting.
+
+Mechanics and vehicles
+IT and computers
+Doctors and patients
+
+Fuckups are found across the board that destroy the object or person in question.
+
+Sometimes it just be that way.
+>Run diagnostics on hard drive
+>The drive dies because of running the diagnostic
+
+>Change something car to fix issue
+>Car dies
+
+>Change something in patient
+>Patient died
+
+Shit happens. IQ and aptitude don't magically make things fuckups free.
+--- 15352838
+People are forgetting about the nurses. They should also take most of the blame. Doctors should really be rude to their nurses to put them in the right state of mind at work. I've seen studies where nurses perform better when they know the doctor is a better person than they are
+--- 15352839
+>>15352825
+flak, over the target, etc
+--- 15352881
+>>15352819
+>It's self reported by medical professionals, isn't it? The real numbers are undoubtedly an order of magnitude higher.
+Of course they are. Numbers are always fudged to give an advantage by the bean counters.
+--- 15352888
+>>15352818
+>the doctor will accidentally kill a patient because they didn't know what to do and it was embarrassing to tell anyone so they performed the procedure anyway.
+Then they keep billing the family of the deceased for their medical bills. 
+
+Imagine a mechanic fucking up your vehicle, returning it to you in pieces and unusable, then demanding payment for their services. 
+
+No other profession gets away with this shit except the medical profession. People have to stop putting up with their shit and scams. Insurance too. And of course it all goes back to government politicians in the end.
+--- 15353526
+most people die in hospitals 
+never go there & you'll be much, much safer
+--- 15354141
+>>15352833
+>Look at other technical, complex fields that involve complex systems and troubleshooting.
+None of the have the same tolerance and impunity for easily preventable error.
+/sci/ is weird, I feel like people shill something with strategically dumb arguments to promote the opposite
+--- 15354180
+>>15352301 (OP)
+>Are medical errors really that common?
+What was different in my case wasn't that they were wrong about. The different thing was that they couldn't kill me to hide what they did.
+--- 15355553
+>>15354180
+What happened, anon?
+--- 15357855
+>>15352301 (OP)
+incompetence
+--- 15357896
+>>15352781
+builders are more reliable
+--- 15357939
+>>15352301 (OP)
+Yes and no, yes they are common and perhaps more importantly too common but also consider that as medical technology improves more people will inevitably survive everything except medical errors.
+--- 15357942
+>>15352781
+>I see buildings fall down every day
+--- 15357976
+>>15357855
+yeah, but that was about getting caught, not being wrong